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| [00:00:25] | jonK: | angry, i think you can specify that in the lircrc file with a "repeat = x" for a given button |
| [00:00:27] | Kelerion: | check the lirc docs for the "repeat" command |
| [00:00:43] | AngryElf: | no jonK irw doesn't pick up the repeats....different problem |
| [00:00:44] | Kelerion: | in my for each button, for example, I have "repeat = 3" |
| [00:01:01] | jonK: | but does irw need to? is what i'm saying |
| [00:01:06] | AngryElf: | yes |
| [00:01:23] | AngryElf: | if irw doesn't see repeats then the repeat=x in .lircrc is irrelevent |
| [00:01:29] | Kelerion: | oh |
| [00:01:46] | AngryElf: | so yea, are there config options for this in the lircd.conf file |
| [00:01:49] | AngryElf: | anyone? |
| [00:02:09] | Matrix9: | Next question is while scrolling back and forth is there a way to make it go faster? the docs say to press a number from 1–9? |
| [00:02:15] | Kelerion: | it's the "gap" entry in lircd.conf then as I recall |
| [00:02:38] | Kelerion: | I could be wrong though |
| [00:03:29] | Kelerion: | when you irrecord your file.. I think it checks for that |
| [00:04:08] | Kelerion: | Matrix9, scrolling back *what* exactly? |
| [00:04:43] | Kelerion: | a list of recordings, for example, can use the "page up" and "page down" buttons |
| [00:05:18] | Matrix9: | Kelerion, a previously recorded show |
| [00:05:39] | Kelerion: | page up and page down can fast forward and rewide in chunks too |
| [00:06:08] | Matrix9: | Kelerion, currently I use the forward and backward arrow keys |
| [00:06:29] | Kelerion: | that works in what, forward 30secs, backwards 5secs? |
| [00:06:43] | Matrix9: | correct |
| [00:07:11] | Kelerion: | thats an entry from my lircrc |
| [00:07:28] | hadees: | " and I don't know what to do, I have dma enabled and I am using reiserfs but I have 3 hard drives and I used lvm |
| [00:07:32] | Kelerion: | map to whichever button you want.. and it'll go about 10mins |
| [00:07:36] | hadees: | opps |
| [00:07:50] | Kelerion: | do same for forwards and backwards |
| [00:10:43] | Juski: | FYI 3 works as PGDN and 9 works as PGUP :) |
| [00:11:04] | Kelerion: | hey hey Juski :) |
| [00:11:52] | Kelerion: | I used PgUp and PgDown in my lircrc – easier to read 6 months down the line at 5am when I've had too many.. lol |
| [00:12:43] | Juski: | heh |
| [00:13:18] | Kelerion: | I just wish I had that much forward thinking in my code... would make life a whole much easier.. lol |
| [00:13:20] | Juski: | well I think it's time for bed.. got to get into a new regime in time for the work move soon... |
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| [00:13:36] | Kelerion: | office change? |
| [00:13:52] | Juski: | yeh we're moving 30 miles south or so |
| [00:13:58] | Kelerion: | ouch |
| [00:14:10] | jonK: | question: can i run a frontend over 802.11g? |
| [00:14:14] | Kelerion: | bigger place? |
| [00:14:26] | Juski: | the good bit is that flexitime is being adjusted so we can start at 7 & finish at 3.30 |
| [00:14:30] | Kelerion: | jonK, technically..yes... advisable.. no |
| [00:14:45] | Juski: | Kelerion: blingy place nearer the CEO's house |
| [00:14:46] | Kelerion: | well that works Juski :) |
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| [00:14:54] | Kelerion: | typical.. lol |
| [00:15:36] | Juski: | we're having 3 dome cameras put on every floor.. but I found out today they're not gonna be PTZ jobs :) |
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| [00:16:10] | Juski: | anyway (yawn).. neeed sleeep |
| [00:16:10] | Kelerion: | well. no messing with them and turning them the other way then :P |
| [00:16:17] | Kelerion: | okies....rest well :) |
| [00:16:17] | Juski: | yeah RIGHT |
| [00:16:20] | Juski: | g'night |
| [00:17:35] | Kelerion: | night night :) |
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| [00:31:59] | AngryElf: | anyone know what libraries myth dvd + transcode needs to compile? |
| [00:32:45] | hadees: | AngryElf, it should say in the install |
| [00:33:01] | hadees: | AngryElf, and the docs |
| [00:33:31] | AngryElf: | you're right, it should |
| [00:33:34] | AngryElf: | :) |
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| [00:36:00] | hadees: | AngryElf, it doesn't? Check again I haven't installed mythdvd in a while but I am almost sure it is there |
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| [00:36:33] | AngryElf: | ./configure just states that transcode will not be included in mythdvd.....nothin else |
| [00:37:02] | AngryElf: | docs mention mandriva specific packages for mythDVD but doesn't necessarily say if they're for the transcode part....they dont look like it though |
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| [00:37:41] | nomin: | I finally got mythtv working |
| [00:37:49] | nomin: | :) |
| [00:38:08] | nomin: | it works well on mandriva 2006 with SoS |
| [00:38:25] | nomin: | Everything I needed was in the instructions |
| [00:38:28] | hadees: | AngryElf, yeah but there should be a README file or an Install file |
| [00:38:44] | hadees: | AngryElf, have you looked at mythtv.org docs? |
| [00:38:58] | hadees: | it should also be in there |
| [00:39:04] | nomin: | You don't need to be a linux expert like the recent maximumpc article said in order to use mythtv |
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| [00:40:56] | glen: | my provider renumbered channels and now i can't startup myth, it just exists or segfaults. is there way to change current channelid? |
| [00:45:33] | AngryElf: | hadees, okay, readme told me to install a bunch of libraries, a few of which i didn't have, now i do, and it still won't configure correctly |
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| [00:46:45] | glen: | i assume it's some row from settings table, but can't figure out which one |
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| [01:03:46] | nomin: | I have a 1 hour video that was recorded and I see it in my 'video' folder but mythtv doesn't have it listed in the media library. I didn't tell myth to record it because I thought it automatically records everything. I found out that if I press "r" it will list it in the media library. How do I get myth to list these files in the media library? |
| [01:05:00] | nomin: | *if I press "r" while watching a video it will list it in the library |
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| [01:12:56] | Kelerion: | nomin, myth will record only the shows that you ask it to... not everything on every channel |
| [01:14:49] | nomin: | Kelerion: I just got mythtv working and I'm new to it. This is a strange problem I've encountered. I wanted to record a 1 hour show by just watching it than hitting escape when I was done. It saved the files in the 'video' folder but they're not listed in the media library. |
| [01:15:43] | Kelerion: | if you hit "R" while watching LiveTV.. it will add it to the list of Recorded Shows in the Media Library |
| [01:16:58] | nomin: | yes, I learned that today. But I'm wondering if I can get mythtv to access these files that are already saved. If I press 'r' there is no problem. It looks like the problem only happens if I watch a long show and press escape when finished. |
| [01:17:15] | nomin: | *without pressing 'r' at any time |
| [01:18:05] | Kelerion: | if you press hmmm... I think it's "I" for info in the Recorded screen you can select a group called "LiveTV".. that will show you the programs you've watched |
| [01:18:09] | Kelerion: | is that what you mean? |
| [01:19:24] | madfactor: | ? list |
| [01:19:30] | nomin: | I'm gonna check that out. Basically, there is 1 hour of video that is saved that mythtv won't access. |
| [01:19:59] | Kelerion: | ok.. press I on the recorded shows screen and select LiveTV.. it'll be there |
| [01:20:39] | Kelerion: | it doesn't show LiveTV by default... only the programs you've asked it to record |
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| [01:21:46] | grevees: | Got a problem, try to boot up myth on a normal tv, and I get a "You passed a undefined mode number" Anyone know how to fix? |
| [01:22:12] | Kelerion: | you have an incorrect modeline entry in xorg.conf for your TV |
| [01:22:39] | grevees: | hmmmm, how to fix? |
| [01:22:57] | Kelerion: | depends on your TV.. all TV's are different |
| [01:23:11] | grevees: | damn.... |
| [01:23:16] | grevees: | how can I test? |
| [01:23:28] | Kelerion: | check the wiki... it has some nice info that might help |
| [01:23:48] | grevees: | K |
| [01:24:17] | Kelerion: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline_Database |
| [01:24:50] | Kelerion: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Working_with_Modelines |
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| [01:26:23] | grevees: | Thx Kel... I did a xorg.conf search, and came up with over 500 entries :) |
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| [01:26:43] | Kelerion: | check those two wiki entries |
| [01:28:51] | grevees: | ok, upon looking at the second, Would I need to get the info from the tv vendor? |
| [01:29:06] | Kelerion: | usually yes |
| [01:29:51] | grevees: | hmmm....... maybe the repair manual I have would give the info...... (runs to go get it) |
| [01:30:02] | Kelerion: | that'll do it |
| [01:30:33] | knoppMythNewbie: | I've two DVD drives. How do I specify from which to read |
| [01:30:53] | Kelerion: | okies.. heading off to bed... g'night all :) |
| [01:30:57] | grevees: | its a older projection TV from Hitachi.... :) |
| [01:31:07] | grevees: | night Kel.. thx for the help!!! |
| [01:31:17] | knoppMythNewbie: | Night Kelerion |
| [01:31:37] | Kelerion: | grevees, if not the manual... do a search on google for the details of that model number |
| [01:32:16] | grevees: | bad thing is Hitachi has not made this tv in a long time.... When I was going to fix it had a hard time finding anythign related to it :( |
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| [01:37:38] | nomin: | Kelerion: thanks a lot :) |
| [01:38:08] | nomin: | I just had to go into the settings and tell it to show the live tv recordings under 'all programs' in the media library |
| [01:39:02] | bRuZdEGO: | how do you use diff to patch like something |
| [01:39:35] | Agrajag-: | i think you mean how to use patch to apply a diff? "man patch" |
| [01:40:25] | Drakonite: | so, I have a problem.. I'm getting ready to move, which means my channel line up is going to have massive changes... in fact, I may not even have tv for a couple weeks, followed by a completely different line up... what can I do to get mythtv to survive the change? ... or is there nothing and I'm going to be forced to start over from scratch? |
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| [01:41:06] | bRuZdEGO: | yeah, I got that far |
| [01:41:10] | bRuZdEGO: | still kinda lost |
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| [01:42:54] | Drakonite: | bRuZdEGO: it depends exactly how the diff was made, but typically being in the right dir and doing `patch -p0 < blah.diff` is the way to go |
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| [01:46:17] | Drakonite: | so I take it no one has ever tried to relocate a mythtv box then eh? |
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| [01:53:57] | WAR_CH|LD: | ok, who knows how to use patch? |
| [01:54:01] | WAR_CH|LD: | because seriously i'm lost now. :( |
| [01:54:55] | Drakonite: | <Drakonite> bRuZdEGO: it depends exactly how the diff was made, but typically being in the right dir and doing `patch -p0 < blah.diff` is the way to go |
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| [01:55:04] | Drakonite: | you just missed it... |
| [02:00:20] | WAR_CH|LD: | haha, yeah. sorry |
| [02:00:24] | WAR_CH|LD: | ah, I see what i'm missing |
| [02:00:44] | WAR_CH|LD: | your a dead set legend and i'm a dead set idiot. :) |
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| [02:01:58] | Drakonite: | well I envy you... the more you know about what you are doing, the harder it is to find info when you don't know what you are doing ;) |
| [02:02:49] | WAR_CH|LD: | haha, yeah |
| [02:02:55] | WAR_CH|LD: | that is such a good point |
| [02:03:06] | WAR_CH|LD: | but I think this whole endevour is pointless anyway |
| [02:03:16] | WAR_CH|LD: | because I don't know what i'm doing. let me explain |
| [02:03:25] | WAR_CH|LD: | I installed mytharchive yesterday |
| [02:03:31] | WAR_CH|LD: | had the dependencies in, etc, etc |
| [02:03:37] | WAR_CH|LD: | got this error |
| [02:03:54] | WAR_CH|LD: | found out it's a problem in teh debian testing python-mysqldb pkg |
| [02:04:06] | WAR_CH|LD: | found this |
| [02:04:06] | WAR_CH|LD: | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python-mysqldb |
| [02:04:30] | WAR_CH|LD: | I have installed on my box, [python-mysqldb_1.2.1-p2.orig.tar.gz] after doing a dpkg -s on, tahts the version I got |
| [02:04:46] | WAR_CH|LD: | saw this [python-mysqldb_1.2.1-p2–4.diff.gz] right next to that, so i'm thinking sweet.. download A and B. patch and install |
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| [02:25:52] | ShockValue: | any thoughts on why my mythweb might be really slow, when the rest of my websurfing works just dandy? |
| [02:27:51] | Drakonite: | generating things from the mysql database seems slow |
| [02:28:41] | ShockValue: | even just opening the first page of listings, it sits there for 20+ seconds churning away before i get any data :/ |
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| [02:40:44] | WAR_CH|LD: | alright, sweet.. I did it! :) w00t |
| [02:44:00] | AngryElf: | what kind of file does mythDVD rip a DVD into by default? |
| [02:45:54] | ShockValue: | question: I want to clear the list of programs i have signed up to record, without losing anything else.. how can i accomplish this? |
| [02:46:14] | ShockValue: | over 2 years, i have tons of crap on my list that no longer applies and/or doesnt have any new shows.. |
| [02:46:27] | ShockValue: | i'd like to just wipe it and re-sign up for the shows i want to watch |
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| [02:48:53] | Ediehow: | hi |
| [02:48:55] | Ediehow: | anyone around? |
| [02:49:13] | Ediehow: | i get no sound with mythtv now |
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| [02:49:58] | ShockValue: | dang it, i asked a question, then my machine crashed |
| [02:50:04] | ShockValue: | did i miss an answer?:) |
| [02:50:37] | Drakonite: | ShockValue: you can manually remove them using either mythweb, mythfrontend, or probably with some mysql commands... |
| [02:52:02] | Drakonite: | is there any way to disable recording for a while? |
| [02:52:04] | ShockValue: | the manual remove thing is what im trying to avoid.. mythweb is painfully slow, and i have like 60 to go through :) |
| [02:52:20] | Drakonite: | ah, heh |
| [02:52:37] | AngryElf: | ShockValue, my bet is any other method will take you much longer to learn/work-out than manually doing it in mythweb |
| [02:52:39] | AngryElf: | so get crackin :) |
| [02:52:43] | Drakonite: | well... it's a bit faster going through recording schedules than the listings.. but yeah, it's too damn slow |
| [02:52:49] | nomin: | Ediehow: do you have the line-in set as the record source and muted? |
| [02:53:01] | ShockValue: | unless someone has th mysql command up their sleeve already :) |
| [02:53:14] | Drakonite: | to clear ALL recording schedules? |
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| [02:53:22] | ShockValue: | yeah |
| [02:53:28] | Ediehow: | nomin: let's see |
| [02:53:34] | Ediehow: | i have pvr-150mce |
| [02:53:49] | Ediehow: | line in capture is 0/0 |
| [02:53:58] | Ediehow: | nomin: i am not doing the passover cable |
| [02:54:05] | Ediehow: | you don't need to do that with pvr-150mce |
| [02:54:09] | pushpop: | does anyone have a problem with there sound where is a bit choppy? |
| [02:54:40] | nomin: | Ediehow: I'm new to mythtv. I just got it up and running. My sound wasn't working right until I set those options for the line-in, which is where the sound from the tv-card goes into. |
| [02:54:45] | sigger_: | ShockValue: use phpmyadmin? |
| [02:54:55] | Ediehow: | nomin: not all tv cards require an audio out to soundcard in |
| [02:55:21] | ShockValue: | hrm, havent heard of that.. let me look it up |
| [02:55:29] | Ediehow: | shoot, where do you set the audio mixer stuff? |
| [02:55:42] | sigger_: | its a web interface to mysql. |
| [02:55:56] | sigger_: | easily apt-get install'ed |
| [02:56:32] | ShockValue: | do i install that on my local box, or my mythtv box? |
| [02:57:00] | Drakonite: | Ediehow: if you are using alsa (probably are), you can use alsamixer to set audio levels... my default they are all muted |
| [02:57:15] | Ediehow: | it just happened after i upgraded mya lsa stuff |
| [02:57:18] | Ediehow: | i don't knwo what's going on |
| [02:57:23] | nomin: | Ediehow: mythtv has audio options under 'setup'. Your OS might have it in the taskbar |
| [02:57:26] | Ediehow: | my other sound works |
| [02:57:27] | sigger_: | er, myth, but if all your lookin to do is just delete a bunch of records, it might be a bit of overkill |
| [02:57:59] | ShockValue: | yeah, i basically just want to wipe the data in the recording schedules list |
| [02:58:08] | Drakonite: | ShockValue: a browser with tab support and a few minutes to let it crunch is all you need really ;) |
| [02:58:34] | ShockValue: | yeah i guess i'll have to do it that way.. i know it wouldnt be hard for a mysql wiz though |
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| [02:59:26] | Ediehow: | ok, i just set it to /dev/adsp |
| [02:59:27] | Ediehow: | still nothing |
| [02:59:38] | AngryElf: | mythdvd just ripped my DVD to a 3.5GB vob file — it didn't transcode it, the output of mtd didn't say anything, did i miss a step somewhere? |
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| [03:03:49] | word: | hmm just set up a slave backend..and when starting it I get 'Could not open network socket' any ideas? |
| [03:04:56] | AngryElf: | firewall? |
| [03:07:16] | nomin: | Ediehow: I use kdetv to test if my cable card is hooked up right. It only watches tv, it doesn't record. I think it's a good program to test out your card and to see where the sound stuff is. |
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| [03:09:11] | Ediehow: | shoot |
| [03:09:18] | Ediehow: | i can't get sound in myth anymore. pvr 150mce |
| [03:09:29] | nomin: | Ediehow: I use kdetv to test if my cable card is hooked up right. It only watches tv, it doesn't record. I think it's a good program to test out your card and to see where the sound stuff is. |
| [03:09:32] | sigger_: | how do I turn on bob deinterlacing with xine? I already have -Vxxmc and --deinterlace in the command line. |
| [03:09:48] | Ediehow: | i get sound when i do mplayer /dev/video1 though |
| [03:09:55] | Ediehow: | so ivtv is working ok |
| [03:10:25] | Ediehow: | do you put audio output device as |
| [03:10:27] | Ediehow: | Alsa:default? |
| [03:11:53] | Drakonite: | that is what I have |
| [03:12:38] | Ediehow: | this is confusing |
| [03:12:42] | Ediehow: | mplayer /dev/video1 is playing sound fine |
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| [03:12:56] | ShockValue: | there we go, got em deleted :) |
| [03:13:25] | ShockValue: | anyone like to watch science shows? Ive got "Nova" and "Naked Science" scheduled, but open to suggestions on other cool shows like that |
| [03:15:26] | Drakonite: | lots of stuff on discovery channel is good |
| [03:15:48] | Drakonite: | though tends to have more entertainment stressed things than Nova and such has |
| [03:17:30] | nomin: | discovery channel and history channel have some good stuff |
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| [03:17:40] | ShockValue: | oh yeah history, ill check their listings |
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| [03:18:05] | Drakonite: | yep, history channel is good stuff too |
| [03:18:20] | Drakonite: | modern marvels is a good show |
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| [03:18:45] | Ediehow: | mannnnn |
| [03:18:46] | Ediehow: | what am i doing wrong? |
| [03:18:51] | Ediehow: | mplayer /dev/video1 plays sound fine |
| [03:18:59] | Ediehow: | for my pvr-150mce |
| [03:19:03] | Ediehow: | but i can't get sound in myth anymore |
| [03:19:21] | Ediehow: | 2006-09–04 22:19:13.571 Error opening audio device (Alsa:default), the error was: No such file or directory |
| [03:19:38] | word: | AngryElf: No :-/ but that doesn't seem to stop it from opening heh wierd... |
| [03:19:48] | Agrajag-: | Ediehow: "ALSA:default" |
| [03:19:51] | Agrajag-: | is what you want |
| [03:20:05] | Ediehow: | that's what i have |
| [03:20:11] | Ediehow: | oh |
| [03:20:13] | Ediehow: | case sensitive |
| [03:21:11] | Ediehow: | yay! |
| [03:21:13] | Ediehow: | that fixed it |
| [03:21:20] | Ediehow: | thx |
| [03:21:42] | ShockValue: | so i watched a show on rockets, and they were excited to break the sound barrier (no small feat for an average joe), and he was excited to put a rocket into space next |
| [03:22:06] | ShockValue: | i dont think he realized just how fast a rocket has to go to stay in orbit :) |
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| [03:24:17] | nomin: | pbs frontline is always good |
| [03:24:30] | ShockValue: | hrm |
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| [03:30:37] | Drakonite: | ok, for future reference if anyone needs to relocate with a mythtv box... the listings all seem to get corrected if you shutdown the backend, add a new listing to the listing service (I have zap2it).. regrab listing data from source, save, and then run 'mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --do_channel_updates' .. after starting mythtv back up it seems just about everything is corrected okay |
| [03:30:53] | Drakonite: | now if I just knew how to set it up to not try to record anything at all |
| [03:31:06] | Drakonite: | ..without erasing all my recording schedules |
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| [03:37:09] | word: | hmm on my brothers computer ( hes using a kworld card ) i set his up as a slave backend...but I can't seem to get the tuner card to work... |
| [03:37:27] | word: | [17179595.288000] bttv0: i2c: checking for MSP34xx @ 0x80... not found [17179595.288000] bttv0: i2c: checking for TDA9875 @ 0xb0... <6>8139cp: pci dev 0000:02:02.0 (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip [17179595.292000] 8139cp: Try the "8139too" driver instead. [17179595.292000] not found |
| [03:37:39] | word: | that part seems to be the problem..but i don't know what to do to fix it :-/ |
| [03:38:42] | Drakonite: | have you tried building and using the 8139too driver? |
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| [03:42:37] | word: | Drakonite: erm, how? i can't seem to find a download for it :-/ |
| [03:44:34] | word: | Drakonite: ah nevermind that's relating to my network card not the tuner.. |
| [03:45:44] | Drakonite: | it's a kernel driver |
| [03:45:49] | Drakonite: | I gotta go |
| [03:50:01] | sigger_: | I'm using xxmc and the deinterlacing I'm getting on xine isn't that great. anyone recommend anything? (gotta use xine for dvd menus) |
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| [04:22:57] | flaggelat: | the fact that you cant watch a tuner that is being used for recording... is that ever likely to change? |
| [04:24:17] | GreyFoxx: | Are you referring to watching another channel on the same tuner or just watch the inprogress recording ? |
| [04:25:35] | flaggelat: | the in progress recording... live... on the same tuner... if you get me |
| [04:25:47] | flaggelat: | or is that already possible |
| [04:25:48] | flaggelat: | ? |
| [04:25:54] | GreyFoxx: | It is possible |
| [04:25:58] | GreyFoxx: | just go to Watch recordings |
| [04:26:07] | GreyFoxx: | and you can watch it whileit is recording |
| [04:27:10] | tank-man: | maybe he wants to record ch 12 and watch ch 13 at the same time |
| [04:27:52] | flaggelat: | I dont actually have MythTV, I'm just interested... say you had two tuners... both were recording... would it not be possible to go to watch live tv and have the choice to watch either of the recording channels... live |
| [04:28:22] | GreyFoxx: | flaggelat: No, If you click on Watch TV it will tell you that all inputs are in use |
| [04:28:40] | GreyFoxx: | BUT you go to the Watch REcordings screen and you can watch the in progress recordings |
| [04:30:08] | flaggelat: | i see, but would what i'm suggesting be technically possible in the future... |
| [04:30:10] | flaggelat: | ? |
| [04:30:35] | GreyFoxx: | I don't see how what you are asking for and whatI'm telling you that you can do are different |
| [04:31:14] | GreyFoxx: | You can watch it while it is recording. |
| [04:32:48] | flaggelat: | i'm just fussy sorry, I have Sky+ (2 Tuners) here in the UK, and if two recordings are in progress, you can change to either channel in liveTV mode |
| [04:33:41] | GreyFoxx: | And you can do the same thing in myth, you can watch either recording while it is recording |
| [04:34:25] | flaggelat: | ok, thanks |
| [04:34:29] | flaggelat: | bye |
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| [04:34:39] | GreyFoxx: | was I being unclear ? |
| [04:41:40] | tank-man: | he just wanted a different way of doing it |
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| [05:08:02] | WAR_CH|LD: | what does mythmusic d0? |
| [05:08:51] | Agrajag-: | plays music |
| [05:08:56] | Agrajag-: | suprise suprise |
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| [05:22:30] | netrix: | is there a way to get remotely force a frontend out of watching live tv mode? |
| [05:23:34] | Agrajag-: | have you got the remote telnet thing enabled? |
| [05:23:48] | netrix: | nope ... whats the remote telnet thing? |
| [05:24:25] | netrix: | ah. |
| [05:24:39] | netrix: | just googled it, socket interface in 0.19. nice. |
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| [05:26:31] | netrix: | Agrajag-: thanks. |
| [05:27:16] | Agrajag-: | so yeah if that's enabled you can |
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| [05:43:37] | WAR_CH|LD: | damit, the burning of the dvd ceramony didn't work with mytharchive. |
| [05:43:42] | WAR_CH|LD: | now it's time to READ THE logs.. w00p |
| [05:43:44] | WAR_CH|LD: | *sigh* |
| [05:43:59] | WAR_CH|LD: | it's just a matter of waht weird and wonderful thing I have screwd up now. :P |
| [05:44:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | hehe |
| [05:45:17] | word: | brand new..western digital 400 gig sata hard drive...and it's broken...after too much seeking it fails..but it can handle gigs of mythtv recording lol.. |
| [05:46:15] | WAR_CH|LD: | haha |
| [05:46:18] | WAR_CH|LD: | sounds about right |
| [05:46:21] | WAR_CH|LD: | myth has a love affair |
| [05:46:29] | WAR_CH|LD: | it's going, OMG OMG 400gb's of sata loven |
| [05:46:35] | WAR_CH|LD: | but then, yeah. |
| [05:46:37] | word: | lol |
| [05:47:16] | word: | i was talking to some uber hardware guy in #hardware and he says it's a normal-ish thing for seeking to cause an hd to fail and for 'linear writes' to not |
| [05:48:40] | WAR_CH|LD: | yeah, it's also a normal thing for wheels to fall off cars too |
| [05:49:03] | WAR_CH|LD: | I know my hardware somewhat, I wouldn't say "uber" or "hardcore" but a little and that doesn't make much sense to me |
| [05:49:19] | WAR_CH|LD: | like, yeha. seeking causes the hdd more work, no shit.. more work means possible greater failure |
| [05:49:25] | WAR_CH|LD: | but, thats about it really |
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| [06:40:09] | Matrix9: | How do i turn off that commerial flagging? it's taking up too much cpu time |
| [06:40:36] | mchou: | Matrix9: you must have a weak cpu |
| [06:40:56] | mchou: | Matrix9: or too many HD recordings |
| [06:41:06] | Matrix9: | mchou, Yup only 800 mhz and its running oracle on top of that haha |
| [06:41:29] | mchou: | anyway, you can turn off flagging easily in the ui |
| [06:41:52] | mchou: | it's buried inthere somewhere |
| [06:42:14] | mchou: | Matrix9: oracle? why you need to run that? |
| [06:43:02] | mchou: | Matrix9: you have your own e-commerce server? :) |
| [06:46:09] | Matrix9: | mchou, i turned off "Commerical flag new recordings" ? |
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| [06:46:31] | mchou: | Matrix9: yeah, that should do it |
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| [06:46:46] | Matrix9: | mythcommflag is still running, hopefully it stops after. |
| [06:47:05] | mchou: | you can always use another more powerful CPU just for flagging |
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| [06:47:49] | Matrix9: | mchou, it's for an ecommerce site that i'm working on, sql server didn't cut it, so i'll use oracle with a mysql cluster. |
| [06:47:54] | mchou: | all you need are the recordings mounted via NFS. |
| [06:48:27] | mchou: | Matrix9: am I missing something? |
| [06:48:42] | mchou: | oracle w/ Mysql cluster? |
| [06:48:50] | mchou: | why not just mysql? |
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| [06:49:11] | Matrix9: | mchou, answering your question regarding why i'm running oracle. |
| [06:50:36] | Matrix9: | mchou, cause management doesn't doesn't get a warm and fuzzy feeling with mysql, they feel more comportable trusting their accounting on oracle. |
| [06:51:10] | mchou: | I dont get it. use one or the other. not both |
| [06:51:15] | xris: | or postgress and save six figures |
| [06:51:41] | mchou: | I dont think postgres supports HA |
| [06:51:54] | xris: | ha? |
| [06:52:04] | mchou: | hig availability |
| [06:52:08] | mchou: | high* |
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| [06:52:45] | xris: | ah. no clue there. I do know that they put a lot more stake in data integrity than mysql does, and it's mostly compatible with oracle queries, etc. |
| [06:52:52] | xris: | and not $200k |
| [06:52:52] | mchou: | down time easily means 6 figure loss :) |
| [06:52:58] | hedpe: | I am trying to use IVTV, and whenever I try to insert it, i get "ivtv: Unknown symbol v4l2_ctrl_next" |
| [06:53:05] | hedpe: | any ideas? |
| [06:53:06] | xris: | mchou: only if "ecommerce" means "amazon.com" |
| [06:53:06] | Matrix9: | because i've seen mysql handle a shitload of traffic where sql server choked and died — plus its much cheaper to deploy – the information is kept on oracle and then fed into mysql which handles all the traffic heavy parts. |
| [06:53:37] | xris: | Matrix9: I think the main question is "why both?"... oracle can handle way more than mysql can (granted, still not as fast) |
| [06:53:48] | mchou: | Matrix9: man, that's a kludge |
| [06:53:58] | xris: | but if they're worried about data integrity, having mysql anywhere in the equation is no different than using it exclusively |
| [06:54:13] | xris: | hedpe: ivtv/kernel versions? |
| [06:54:32] | hedpe: | xris: errr n/m i got it, thank you though |
| [06:56:00] | Matrix9: | mchou, you would trust mysql enough for all your accounting data? |
| [06:56:23] | mchou: | Matrix9: do you have to submit quaterly audits? :) |
| [06:56:29] | mchou: | quarterly* |
| [06:57:19] | mchou: | Matrix9: i.e. are you a public company? |
| [06:57:58] | mchou: | I know some public companies using MySQL even |
| [06:58:02] | Matrix9: | nope, just a small startup company |
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| [06:58:48] | Matrix9: | yeah, but most cases i've seen it are in similar scenrio as just a data server for high traffic environments |
| [06:59:15] | mchou: | but most places go with oracle cause of the workflow and business apps that tie into them...... |
| [06:59:54] | mchou: | quite frankly I dont understand why ppl still use oracle |
| [07:00:19] | mchou: | it's a complete overkill for most companies |
| [07:00:35] | mchou: | and all the workflow stuff still suck |
| [07:00:37] | xris: | not to mention expensive |
| [07:00:41] | xris: | Matrix9: look at compiere |
| [07:00:50] | xris: | it'll run on oracle, mysql (max) or postgres |
| [07:01:23] | xris: | "small company" and "oracle" should never go together. |
| [07:01:44] | mchou: | lol. I'd even say medium sized co. |
| [07:01:59] | Matrix9: | yeah i got a love hate relationship with it too, its dependable and RAC is amazing technology but compared to sql server I find it 'old' and annoying. |
| [07:03:33] | mchou: | I guess nobody ever got fired for using oracle |
| [07:03:36] | Matrix9: | xris, You can through microsoft access in there too, but like I said, it's a management decision... |
| [07:03:49] | xris: | sorry, you said that M word that I don't understand... |
| [07:04:12] | mchou: | Matrix9: you know what you're doing?? |
| [07:04:55] | mchou: | why someone would evaluate access, mysql, and oracle all at the same time is a sure sign they are clueless |
| [07:05:45] | xris: | mchou: Access isn't even a db these days. I've only ever seen it used as a front end to sql server. |
| [07:05:47] | Matrix9: | mchou, I'm more of a dotnet developer, I just put oracle on here to learn, at work the dba handles it. |
| [07:05:56] | xris: | and there, you might as well point it at postgres and have speed. |
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| [07:06:38] | Matrix9: | haha, I never said access in that regard, i haven't used it since like 99, and it only gave problems back then in a multiple user environment, constantly corrupting the database. |
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| [07:07:01] | xris: | imho, microsoft's sql server is a complete POS. not even worth considering. |
| [07:07:16] | xris: | but then again, I have the freedom to pick which server to use, and for the moment it's mysql. |
| [07:07:32] | mchou: | xris: plenty ppl consider it cause of Exchange |
| [07:07:34] | xris: | my guys are pushing me to look into postgres at some point, though. |
| [07:07:49] | xris: | mchou: that's another thing we won't ever have to deal with. :) |
| [07:08:02] | xris: | Open-Xchange runs just fine with outlook. |
| [07:08:18] | mchou: | you mean lookout |
| [07:08:52] | xris: | we have 3 people who use outlook. no need for anything special for now. |
| [07:09:18] | xris: | everyone else runs thunderbird + google calendar, or runs a mac. |
| [07:09:46] | Matrix9: | xris, how do you use mysql? does it deal with money? |
| [07:09:59] | xris: | Matrix9: official money stuff goes through quickbooks |
| [07:10:12] | xris: | but all of our ecommerce stuff goes through mysql |
| [07:10:19] | xris: | like I said earlier — take a look at compiere |
| [07:10:40] | xris: | it'll handle everything that you want from oracle financial, at least for a small business, and it's free. |
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| [07:11:26] | Esotericisms: | morning |
| [07:12:14] | Matrix9: | I'm familiar with compiere, but one of the components of this site deals with auctions so its not a brick and mortar version of an ecommerice site |
| [07:13:22] | xris: | compiere for the money stuff. you don't have to use their ecommerce or whatever. |
| [07:13:50] | xris: | but a postgres backend should be as reliable as oracle. |
| [07:14:10] | Matrix9: | why not, oracle/mysql for databases, c#/java for clent then haha. |
| [07:14:40] | xris: | you complain about mysql not being good enough, but include it in your plan... that's what we're trying to figure out. |
| [07:14:44] | Matrix9: | 'should be' is the word they won't accept :) |
| [07:15:00] | Esotericisms: | my playback video when skipping time, is getting really choppy, after a skip the image pixelates for about 1–2 seconds and then returns to normal, also after a skip the audio from before the skip plays for 1–2 seconds as well ... |
| [07:15:12] | xris: | unless they plan to keep an oracle tech on the full-time payroll, *oracle* won't be reliable, either. |
| [07:15:23] | xris: | so add another $150k/year minimum to the budget |
| [07:16:14] | Matrix9: | no I think mysql would be good enough, I told them we could get support but they just don't feel comfortable with it. |
| [07:16:29] | mchou: | lol |
| [07:16:48] | xris: | mysql 5 with innodb and decimal (vs float) data types is fine for financial info. |
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| [07:17:05] | xris: | postgres if you're paranoid |
| [07:19:05] | Matrix9: | It basically come down to what mchou said, people don't get fired for using Oracle, the fact they are willing to try mysql i guess is the first step |
| [07:19:42] | xris: | I'd get fired for trying to use oracle. well, no one would take me seriously. |
| [07:20:31] | Esotericisms: | anyway .. anyone got any advice on my earlier question? |
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| [07:20:50] | xris: | Esotericisms: cpu usage? |
| [07:21:27] | Esotericisms: | could be ... its not higher then it usually is, it is definitely over worked though, but I have never had a problem before |
| [07:21:35] | xris: | artifacts from skipping *are* a fact of life for mpeg encodes... mpeg frames are dependent on previous frames, so when you skip, you only get the updates until a new keyframe (I think) comes about. |
| [07:21:39] | mchou: | man, I gotta say gmail is MUCH better than hotmail at filtering spam |
| [07:22:30] | slaine_: | Esotericisms, What hardware you using and what kind of load are you seeing for normal playback |
| [07:22:31] | mchou: | maybe I should change from hotmail to gmail for the "real" email now |
| [07:22:52] | Esotericisms: | unfortunately, I don't have a lot of extra $$$ so the box isn't as robust as I would like, about a 2–2.3 during playback |
| [07:22:52] | xris: | why even use hotmail? |
| [07:23:10] | mchou: | xris: cause I signed up long ago |
| [07:23:19] | xris: | Esotericisms: load of more than about .5 is horrid. |
| [07:23:26] | Esotericisms: | xris, I agree |
| [07:23:30] | mchou: | xris: and separate work from personal |
| [07:23:43] | slaine_: | Somethings wrong alright, again, what hardware are you using ? |
| [07:24:02] | Esotericisms: | AMD Athlon 1800+ XP, 1.6GHz if I recall |
| [07:24:22] | Esotericisms: | 4 IDE drives using LVM which equal 302GB |
| [07:24:44] | xris: | Esotericisms: hardware/software encoder? |
| [07:24:54] | Esotericisms: | PVR 150 |
| [07:24:58] | Esotericisms: | mpeg2 hardware |
| [07:24:58] | slaine_: | TV out ? |
| [07:25:09] | Esotericisms: | nvidia 5800 I think |
| [07:25:15] | Esotericisms: | or 5700 |
| [07:25:23] | Esotericisms: | can't remember, I will have to go look |
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| [07:25:43] | slaine_: | Well, from what I know, there's now way you should have a load that high just for playback, so something else is eating your resources. |
| [07:25:51] | slaine_: | What does top show ? |
| [07:26:26] | slaine_: | during playback |
| [07:27:05] | Esotericisms: | during playback? let me play something and I will tell you currently mythfrontend is using 35.6% of my cpu |
| [07:27:15] | Esotericisms: | commflag is using 26.3% |
| [07:27:15] | slaine_: | Oooo |
| [07:27:28] | Esotericisms: | this is WITHOUT playback |
| [07:27:35] | Esotericisms: | load currently is only at 1.55 |
| [07:27:37] | mchou: | there is nothing out of the ordinary about that |
| [07:27:40] | Esotericisms: | let me play something back |
| [07:28:21] | slaine_: | 35% for being idle, mchou, that can't be normal |
| [07:28:30] | Esotericisms: | wow actually my load average went down when I started playback |
| [07:28:32] | Esotericisms: | weird |
| [07:28:38] | mchou: | it aint idle |
| [07:28:47] | mchou: | its commflagging |
| [07:29:03] | xris: | Esotericisms: mythfrontend doing what at idle? just go back to the main menu so you don't have things like preview running. |
| [07:29:08] | slaine_: | Does mythfrontend take up cpu when commflagging is going on ? |
| [07:29:12] | ** slaine_ doesn't use it ** | |
| [07:29:27] | xris: | slaine_: no, commflag is a separate process. |
| [07:29:30] | Esotericisms: | this install is going on 2 years, using redhat fedora, back when I knew nothing of mythtv ... just second |
| [07:29:55] | slaine_: | Then that shouldn't account for high load of mythfrontend surely |
| [07:29:57] | mchou: | sigh..... |
| [07:30:00] | xris: | Esotericisms: sounds like you might need to install xvmc, fix GL acceleration, etc. |
| [07:30:04] | xris: | anyway, I need to crash. later. |
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| [07:30:22] | Esotericisms: | xvmc? |
| [07:30:26] | Esotericisms: | damn he left |
| [07:30:41] | slaine_: | Yes, XvMC accelerates mpeg2 decoding |
| [07:30:43] | Esotericisms: | I got out so nothing was previewing and I am down under 1.00 for load average |
| [07:30:57] | mchou: | lol |
| [07:31:09] | mchou: | you using preview? |
| [07:31:09] | Esotericisms: | what I really need to do is completely rebuild this box, but I don't want to loose all my videos that I have currently recorded |
| [07:31:18] | Esotericisms: | actually I was just going to ask how to disable it |
| [07:31:31] | mchou: | RTFM dude |
| [07:31:38] | Esotericisms: | my bad ... |
| [07:31:52] | mchou: | at least do your own homework first |
| [07:31:54] | Esotericisms: | not like I was only in here to ask that question |
| [07:32:05] | slaine_: | Look at your various settings for playback |
| [07:32:18] | slaine_: | There's plenty of info on the wiki |
| [07:32:21] | Esotericisms: | any suggestions on the settings I take a look at? |
| [07:33:05] | Esotericisms: | I have noticed, I have just gotten back into the inner workings of mythtv, been working on other projects, now I am trying to fine tune my system a bit |
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| [07:35:18] | slaine_: | Check out the wiki for XvMC playback options |
| [07:35:44] | slaine_: | I've a Via 1.2GHz and my cpu usage is at about 12% when playing back livetv |
| [07:36:15] | Juski: | what's the big deal about a fucking load average anyway? if you can play back tv without it jerking off I don't see what the problem is |
| [07:36:47] | Juski: | slaine_: that's 3% less than my Via 1Ghz machine :) |
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| [07:39:47] | Esotericisms: | um, Juski, the problem was the during playback when I skipped, it was pixelatting and the sound was off for 1–2 seconds |
| [07:42:35] | slaine_: | Basically, your machine is working too hard. It needs to work smarter, not harder |
| [07:42:51] | ** slaine_ points and laughs at Juski, ha ha ** | |
| [07:43:19] | slaine_: | Juski, it's about 1% lower when just playing back a pre-recorded file |
| [07:43:24] | ** slaine_ hugs mythtv ** | |
| [07:43:39] | Juski: | I was just saying why bother about what your load average is if all is well? |
| [07:43:46] | slaine_: | I've only got it setup a couple of weeks, and it's totally changed the way I watch telly, I love it. |
| [07:44:01] | slaine_: | Well, if all is well, then you wouldn't be bothered |
| [07:44:05] | Esotericisms: | Juski, it isn't all well that is why I am bothering about it |
| [07:44:28] | slaine_: | However, when all isn't well, load is often the first place to look as it could mean that you are doing something wrong |
| [07:44:53] | slaine_: | Esotericisms, I guess if you constantly have high load, then your box must be quite hot too |
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| [07:45:23] | Juski: | a machine of even _that_ spec shouldn't have bother playing back mpeg2 even without xvmc |
| [07:45:29] | Gumby: | does anyone know what the authentication method is calledfor websites where an image is created with numbers and or letters that the users must then input? |
| [07:46:07] | JohnQ: | I'm finding that my program guide info is lacking.. It'd giving generic descriptions instead of episode specific ones. (Zap2it shows episode specific info) |
| [07:46:50] | Esotericisms: | Gumby, CAPTCHA |
| [07:47:05] | Gumby: | Esotericisms: thank you |
| [07:47:29] | Esotericisms: | np |
| [07:47:42] | JohnQ: | anyone else have this issue? |
| [07:48:00] | ** slaine_ doesn't use Zap2it ** | |
| [07:48:25] | Esotericisms: | slaine_, what do you use? |
| [07:48:41] | slaine_: | xmltv |
| [07:48:49] | Esotericisms: | link |
| [07:49:10] | slaine_: | I'm in Ireland, with NTL cable, use the uk grabber to get the data off the radio times feed |
| [07:49:19] | Esotericisms: | ah |
| [07:49:39] | Esotericisms: | wow my load average is now down to .28 , oh wait comm flagging is done |
| [07:49:46] | slaine_: | It's got most of my channels, there's a few irish specific ones that it doesn't have data for. |
| [07:50:07] | slaine_: | Try playback of livetv now and see what it's like |
| [07:50:19] | Esotericisms: | just a second, |
| [07:53:40] | Esotericisms: | mythfilldb is running just second |
| [07:57:21] | Esotericisms: | playback – load average 3.65 |
| [07:57:34] | Esotericisms: | oh wait filldb is still running |
| [07:57:37] | slaine_: | lol |
| [07:57:46] | slaine_: | thats taking a while too |
| [07:57:54] | slaine_: | Anything showing up in dmesg |
| [07:58:03] | slaine_: | Do you have an I/O errors in there |
| [07:58:37] | Esotericisms: | unknown input from my RF remote but thats about it |
| [08:00:36] | Juski: | silly q. time... do you have proper VGA drivers installed? and are you running X at some ridiculously high resolution? |
| [08:01:27] | Esotericisms: | 640x480, I have the nvidia drivers installed for the nvidia card |
| [08:02:36] | Juski: | and it's still having problems playing video? my 800 mhz box only ever has problems playing fullscreen mpeg2 when I use vnc at the same time |
| [08:03:20] | Esotericisms: | let me paste everything that is running on this box into a pastebin |
| [08:04:14] | Esotericisms: | as I am looking at this, I see thinks that I can probably get rid of already, but I will pastebin it anyway |
| [08:04:42] | Juski: | well I'd better head to work anyway... |
| [08:05:02] | Esotericisms: | ok |
| [08:05:04] | Esotericisms: | have fun |
| [08:05:26] | Esotericisms: | http://pastebin.ca/161296 |
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| [08:05:49] | JohnQ: | I'm assuming that the information from datadirect is updated incrementally... right? |
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| [08:08:18] | foglight: | Esotericisms: did you enable dma? |
| [08:09:03] | Esotericisms: | probably not, I set this box up almost 2 years ago |
| [08:09:19] | Esotericisms: | I need to blow it away and start fresh, but just don't have the time |
| [08:10:20] | foglight: | yea I know what you mean. |
| [08:11:38] | Esotericisms: | I don't have the time and I don't want to try and keep from loosing all my recordings and everything else, so I would rather just try and fix it right now |
| [08:12:13] | Esotericisms: | load average is at 4.54 ick |
| [08:12:23] | foglight: | is it cpu or io load |
| [08:12:46] | Esotericisms: | 4.83 4.97 3.59 |
| [08:12:54] | foglight: | what is the cpu usage %? |
| [08:13:23] | slaine_: | There should be a wait % listed, that shows processes waithing for disk io, what's that at. Also one for system, what's that at |
| [08:13:28] | Esotericisms: | Cpu(s): 32.5% us, 5.6% sy, 29.1% ni, 0.0% id, 31.5% wa, 1.3% hi, 0.0% si |
| [08:13:41] | slaine_: | O geebus |
| [08:13:45] | slaine_: | 31.5% wa |
| [08:13:51] | slaine_: | There's your load |
| [08:14:08] | slaine_: | What the hell is going on with those disks |
| [08:14:12] | Esotericisms: | its probably cause I have 4 IDE drives LVM |
| [08:14:23] | slaine_: | Doubt it |
| [08:14:32] | Esotericisms: | well now I have a 0.0% wa |
| [08:14:41] | slaine_: | Was yum update running ? |
| [08:14:41] | Esotericisms: | Cpu(s): 88.7% us, 9.9% sy, 0.7% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.7% hi, 0.0% si |
| [08:14:48] | foglight: | yes |
| [08:14:51] | Esotericisms: | not sure |
| [08:14:56] | foglight: | in the ps on pastebin it was |
| [08:15:08] | slaine_: | /usr/bin/python2.3 /usr/bin/yum -e 0 -d 1 list updates |
| [08:15:18] | Esotericisms: | I am trying to disable as much as I can right now |
| [08:15:23] | foglight: | Esotericisms: run vmstat 5 5 |
| [08:15:33] | foglight: | kill the yum first |
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| [08:15:54] | Esotericisms: | it isn't running now |
| [08:16:00] | Esotericisms: | procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu---- |
| [08:16:00] | Esotericisms: | r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa |
| [08:16:00] | Esotericisms: | 4 1 4576 6080 25824 233696 0 0 176 82 199 27 52 4 43 1 |
| [08:16:10] | Esotericisms: | sorry didn't mean to do that |
| [08:16:27] | Esotericisms: | http://pastebin.ca/161302 |
| [08:17:04] | slaine_: | that looks ok, lots of block in/out going on but wait state is 1 |
| [08:17:23] | Esotericisms: | http://pastebin.ca/161303 <-- 37.8% wa |
| [08:17:36] | Esotericisms: | that is the ps aux at 37.8% wa |
| [08:18:11] | slaine_: | Mythcommflag was running, so that explains that |
| [08:18:21] | Esotericisms: | stil at about 30% wa, with commflag running |
| [08:18:26] | slaine_: | You wanna get your box idle before you can diagnose what's going on. |
| [08:18:47] | Esotericisms: | yeah it should be idle here in the next 30 after this commflag finishes |
| [08:18:56] | Esotericisms: | there is nothing else in teh queue |
| [08:19:42] | slaine_: | Do you know if you are using xvmc for playback or not ? |
| [08:19:48] | slaine_: | Have you checked your playback settings ? |
| [08:20:01] | Esotericisms: | what settings do you want me to check? |
| [08:20:26] | Esotericisms: | let me check again for xvmc |
| [08:21:14] | Esotericisms: | I need to just get an entire new system with SATA drives :) |
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| [08:22:14] | foglight: | I just bought a SATA drive. |
| [08:23:21] | Esotericisms: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144701 <-- good deal |
| [08:24:29] | foglight: | That's what I have, almost. Mine is a Seagate I spent about $10 more on. |
| [08:24:56] | Esotericisms: | yeah I already have a 250, I need another one in my desktop |
| [08:25:55] | slaine_: | I've a crappy old 80Gb PATA drive with now performance issues |
| [08:26:11] | Esotericisms: | thanks for the help all, I will have to revist this another night, I need to get a few things taken care of .. thanks again |
| [08:26:12] | slaine_: | s/now/no |
| [08:26:47] | foglight: | I plan to stay with PATA for a long while. |
| [08:27:01] | foglight: | The SATA is for a desktop/OS drive. |
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| [08:31:20] | JohnQ: | it seems that adding --refresh-all to the command line when mythfilldatabase runs fixes my problem. Can anyone think of a reason I *shouldn't* do this? |
| [08:33:09] | slaine_: | I always doe that |
| [08:33:22] | slaine_: | Doesn't seem to update my db otherwise |
| [08:33:42] | slaine_: | Or perhaps it does and I just do the --refresh-all anyway |
| [08:34:24] | Anduin: | JohnQ: It will, well, refresh everything, which shouldn't be needed. |
| [08:34:43] | JohnQ: | If I dont do that, it doesnt refresh generic episodes. |
| [08:35:23] | JohnQ: | For example, on friday there will be a monk marathon... and until I did a --refresh-all, it didnt know which episodes they were.. now it does. |
| [08:36:01] | Anduin: | JohnQ: It would have, if you waited. |
| [08:36:29] | JohnQ: | Perhaps... but Id like to know these things ahead of time... |
| [08:37:03] | Anduin: | Yeah, oddly enough, trying to be nice, it doesn't fetch the whole almost two week lineup every time. |
| [08:37:38] | JohnQ: | Id be happy if I could tell it only to refresh within the next 5–7 days.. but it doesnt seem to have that option... looks like just 1, 2, or all. |
| [08:38:28] | JohnQ: | It surprises me that there isnt a way to ask for "changes since X" where X is the last time you updated. |
| [08:38:48] | JohnQ: | I mean.. if I were writing this kind of server.. that would be the second thing I implemented. |
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| [08:40:03] | Anduin: | JohnQ: It was planned I believe, haven't looked in a long time though. |
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| [09:17:45] | JohnQ: | anyone know how to do a fuzzy match in SQL? Ie.. show all rows where foo contains the word bar? |
| [09:22:00] | slaine_: | select * from table where foo like '%bar%' |
| [09:22:16] | slaine_: | That'll give you all rows where foo contains bar, the % is wildcard |
| [09:22:55] | JohnQ: | ah... the word "like" was what I was missing. thanks |
| [09:23:14] | slaine_: | Remove the last % get rows that look like "crobar", "handle-bar", remove the first % to get rows with "barman", "bartab" |
| [09:23:36] | JohnQ: | yep... I understand wildcards.. was just missing "like" :-) thanks. |
| [09:23:41] | slaine_: | np |
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| [09:38:19] | JohnQ: | I am *amazed* how much a second tuner card reduces conflicts. |
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| [10:12:41] | degreseven: | i can't get mythfrontend to connect to the backend server running on the same machine. can anyone help me? |
| [10:17:25] | mchou: | degreseven: ppl are must more likely to help you if you post myth frontend and backend logs/messages |
| [10:17:47] | mchou: | degreseven: that's whay pastebin.com exists |
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| [10:24:28] | Ruleke: | hello people |
| [10:24:43] | Ruleke: | hmm svn has seen quite some activity in the last days it seems |
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| [10:46:40] | drear: | release notes for 0.19 instruct that nvidia binary drivers <7676 should be used. any gains from using binary drivers at all? |
| [10:47:19] | slaine_: | XvMC support |
| [10:47:45] | slaine_: | i.e. hardware accelerated mpeg decoding |
| [10:48:46] | Ruleke: | that's not really the same :P |
| [10:49:08] | drear: | k, so to be ignorant with the older stuff, does geforce2 mx 400 support xvmc? |
| [10:50:34] | drear: | it does not. |
| [10:52:35] | Ruleke: | I think it can do motion compensation but not idct offload |
| [10:52:36] | Ruleke: | iirc |
| [10:52:53] | Ruleke: | idct being cpu intensive :) |
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| [10:55:33] | drear: | k, we'll see. thanks. |
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| [11:16:58] | mchou: | damn, just heard Steve Irwin "the crocodile hunter" died, his death caught on film..... |
| [11:17:52] | Ruleke: | stingray |
| [11:18:04] | Ruleke: | whodathunkit |
| [11:18:06] | mchou: | yup. bad way to go |
| [11:18:35] | mchou: | apparently speared him in the heart, no less |
| [11:18:37] | Merlin83b: | http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h98/mark_sa . . . ers/test.jpg |
| [11:18:59] | Agrajag-: | mchou: yeah apparently he pulls out the barb before losing consciousness |
| [11:20:07] | mchou: | Agrajag-: wonder if the gneral public would ever get to see that film |
| [11:20:19] | mchou: | general* |
| [11:20:35] | Agrajag-: | heh no doubt it'll get leaked to youtube or something eventually |
| [11:21:07] | drear: | just one more: the recent 0.19 works ok with xorg 6.8, right? |
| [11:21:55] | drear: | no modular xorg dependencies or anything? |
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| [11:35:32] | Ruleke: | drear: I don't see any problems |
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| [11:37:11] | elfranger: | greetings and salutations |
| [11:37:43] | Ruleke: | good day |
| [11:38:21] | elfranger: | do you know of some way of precreate playlists for video for use with mythtv? |
| [11:38:51] | Ruleke: | you mean like multi-part xvid files or whatever ? |
| [11:39:41] | elfranger: | I have all these .avi files... episodes. And I would like to be able to select just one entry, and mythtv should play many episodes... |
| [11:39:52] | Ruleke: | yep |
| [11:39:56] | Ruleke: | video manager |
| [11:40:00] | Ruleke: | "play next" thing |
| [11:40:51] | elfranger: | ah, cool |
| [11:40:59] | elfranger: | so then it will just play next file in the folder? |
| [11:41:22] | Ruleke: | no you select which file to play next |
| [11:41:33] | Ruleke: | and it saves that |
| [11:41:36] | elfranger: | ok |
| [11:41:39] | Ruleke: | int he video manager |
| [11:41:51] | elfranger: | what format is the file that is being saved? |
| [11:42:38] | elfranger: | so instead of view video (can't remember the menu text) I selev video manager and plays the movie files from there? |
| [11:43:19] | elfranger: | sorry about my typos... |
| [11:43:25] | Juski: | okay so maybe browsing the HolyMoly website at work wasn't a good idea... oops |
| [11:43:35] | elfranger: | ? |
| [11:44:05] | Juski: | you can't play videos from the video manager. you can only erm.. manage them |
| [11:44:21] | elfranger: | ok, so I create playlists in a way? |
| [11:44:26] | Juski: | nope |
| [11:44:28] | elfranger: | ? |
| [11:44:36] | Juski: | mythtv does not cater to downloaders of tv shows |
| [11:44:45] | elfranger: | but but... what about the play next thing? |
| [11:44:49] | Juski: | you can't create playlists |
| [11:44:52] | elfranger: | ok |
| [11:45:11] | Juski: | the 'play next' thing.. well you COULD use that but what a chore that'd be |
| [11:45:17] | elfranger: | what is the difference between downloading a series of tv shows and recording them? |
| [11:45:33] | Juski: | the latter isn't officially illegal (yet) |
| [11:45:37] | elfranger: | hehe |
| [11:46:05] | elfranger: | it would be awesome if it supported playlists, that's for sure |
| [11:46:25] | elfranger: | but, the play next... is that saved as some kind of metadata to the avi file or something? |
| [11:46:33] | elfranger: | or in a database table? |
| [11:46:33] | Zider: | put the filenames in a .txt and configure your favourite player to use the file as playlist |
| [11:47:44] | Juski: | it'd be awesome if mythmusic didn't totally suck but hey... you can't have it all ways ;-) |
| [11:47:59] | elfranger: | lol |
| [11:48:14] | Ruleke: | Juski: since when is it illegal to back up your own dvd :P |
| [11:48:22] | elfranger: | but, back to the play next... is it stored in the media library sql table? |
| [11:48:32] | Juski: | Ruleke: depends where you live |
| [11:48:41] | Juski: | it's still illegal (technically) in the UK |
| [11:48:44] | Ruleke: | well if you don't live in a totalitarian regime.. |
| [11:48:46] | elfranger: | if it is, it is fairly easy to script... if the media database stays static... |
| [11:48:53] | Ruleke: | my point ;) |
| [11:49:15] | Ruleke: | elfranger: yep it should be in the db I think |
| [11:49:26] | Juski: | UK law is about to be changed (if not already) to (shudder) allow folks to rip CDs to storage devices (!!) |
| [11:49:36] | Ruleke: | no idea I'm not in the UK |
| [11:49:49] | elfranger: | hm, I guess the best thing here is to just try... add one play next entry and then enter the world of mysql and read the table content |
| [11:49:57] | Juski: | if they wanted you to copy DVDs why would they have put copy protection on them? |
| [11:50:19] | Ruleke: | because there is no relation between what is legal and what the industry tries to control |
| [11:50:20] | Zider: | on the other hand, how many people (except legal software developers) cares about what the law says about that? ;) |
| [11:50:23] | Ruleke: | but you know this |
| [11:50:35] | Juski: | anyway.... |
| [11:52:08] | Ruleke: | hmm trying to get audio from the rear speakers in this 5.1 setup... |
| [11:52:21] | Ruleke: | darn alsamixer :) |
| [11:52:30] | Juski: | ahh good ole analogue audio :-| |
| [11:53:00] | Zider: | retro ;) |
| [11:54:24] | Juski: | more like a PITA |
| [11:54:36] | Zider: | well, that too |
| [11:54:51] | Zider: | I sure hope the audio on my new mobo is supported by alsa :P |
| [11:55:05] | Juski: | it will be – eventually |
| [11:55:23] | Zider: | yes, eventually.. but right now I mean :P |
| [11:55:44] | Juski: | did you not research that _before_ buying it? |
| [11:56:17] | Kelerion: | if it's on a mobo theres a 90'odd% chance it's ac97.. so you should be fine |
| [11:56:20] | Zider: | nope, didn't care |
| [11:56:27] | Zider: | Kelerion: intel-hda |
| [11:56:38] | Zider: | ICH8 |
| [11:57:14] | Juski: | 'high def. audio snake oil' |
| [11:57:22] | Ruleke: | hehe |
| [11:57:24] | Zider: | snake oil? |
| [11:57:37] | Kelerion: | alsa-1.0.10 seems to have support for it |
| [11:57:43] | Ruleke: | now now, it might even have a hardware mixer ;) |
| [11:57:54] | Zider: | Ruleke: intel-hda never has |
| [11:57:58] | Ruleke: | though I doubt it ;) |
| [11:58:04] | Ruleke: | ah well there you go |
| [11:58:10] | Zider: | Kelerion: well, intel-hda can be different chip |
| [11:58:16] | Juski: | oh yeah you'd need that for the bloop bloop beep noises people want mythtv to make |
| [11:58:29] | Zider: | my last mobo had intel-hda and it was barely supported when I got it |
| [11:58:45] | Kelerion: | ahh.. might not...has the other ICHx 's |
| [11:58:49] | Ruleke: | so you bought another :) |
| [11:58:58] | Zider: | Ruleke: the old one broke |
| [11:59:03] | Zider: | so I upgraded |
| [11:59:09] | Ruleke: | is it better supported now ? |
| [11:59:15] | Zider: | Ruleke: the old one yes |
| [11:59:20] | Ruleke: | k |
| [11:59:29] | Ruleke: | so same process ;) |
| [11:59:33] | Zider: | it was ICH7 |
| [11:59:36] | Zider: | this is ICH8 :) |
| [11:59:59] | Zider: | anyways.. if it's not supported I could always stick an old sb-pci in there |
| [12:00:14] | Juski: | still – you can always put a proper soundcard inside in the interim |
| [12:00:14] | Zider: | but I'd like to save my pci slots ;) |
| [12:00:46] | Juski: | yeh they're like the proverbial rocking-horse shite these days, are PCI slots |
| [12:01:18] | Ruleke: | I don't get that remark :/ |
| [12:01:22] | Zider: | me neither |
| [12:01:25] | Ruleke: | must be my bad english |
| [12:01:29] | Ruleke: | :-P |
| [12:01:33] | Zider: | ;D |
| [12:01:34] | Juski: | rocking horse shit |
| [12:01:43] | Ruleke: | yer I got that part |
| [12:01:44] | JohnQ: | wood chips? |
| [12:01:46] | Juski: | .. quite, quite rare |
| [12:01:53] | Ruleke: | ah |
| [12:01:53] | Juski: | nm |
| [12:01:55] | Ruleke: | ok cool |
| [12:02:00] | Zider: | proverbial? |
| [12:02:00] | Ruleke: | didn't know that one |
| [12:03:02] | Juski: | I could've said they're as rare as 15 year old virgins on a council housing estate... |
| [12:03:20] | Ruleke: | hmm wouldn't it be nice if mythtv-setup or some other onscreen gui could delete an individual channel..; |
| [12:03:42] | Ruleke: | Juski: but you don't want questions raised about why that is ;) |
| [12:03:53] | Zider: | I have no idea how rare they are in something I never heard of |
| [12:03:54] | Juski: | yes it IS nice that mythtv-setup can delete individual channels |
| [12:03:57] | Zider: | wtf is council? |
| [12:04:02] | Ruleke: | can it ? |
| [12:04:15] | Ruleke: | how ? :-/ |
| [12:04:23] | Juski: | in the channel editor |
| [12:04:35] | Ruleke: | I didn't think it did |
| [12:04:45] | Ruleke: | delete channels is there... but that deletes all iric |
| [12:04:48] | Ruleke: | iirc too |
| [12:04:57] | Juski: | calm.. calm... don't shout at the nice people... don't... keep cool....... |
| [12:05:23] | Juski: | never tried pressing D while a channel in the list is highlighted? |
| [12:05:31] | Ruleke: | nope |
| [12:05:51] | Ruleke: | :) |
| [12:05:58] | Juski: | btw beware of deleting channels |
| [12:06:03] | Ruleke: | cheers though |
| [12:06:06] | Ruleke: | hmm ? |
| [12:06:20] | Juski: | if you happen to delete the last channel you were watching in livetv, you'll break livetv |
| [12:06:30] | Ruleke: | ah |
| [12:06:33] | Ruleke: | makes sense |
| [12:06:45] | Ruleke: | though not nice |
| [12:06:57] | Juski: | I don't think it does. I think it should check the channel exists before trying to tune to it |
| [12:06:59] | Ruleke: | I thought I saw code that fixed this.. |
| [12:06:59] | elfranger: | juski: not sure if I asked this yesterday, but is there some kind of compatibility list for different remotes that would work? Like lirc certified... |
| [12:07:08] | Juski: | elfranger: no |
| [12:07:23] | elfranger: | ok, good clean answer |
| [12:07:31] | Juski: | lirc is FOSS so who'd do the certification? who would care? |
| [12:07:44] | elfranger: | I would.. hehe |
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| [12:07:53] | Ruleke: | I think he means a list ;) |
| [12:08:13] | Ruleke: | certification is something else |
| [12:08:19] | Ruleke: | known-working like... :P |
| [12:08:24] | elfranger: | maybe bad choice of words... |
| [12:08:28] | Ruleke: | the hauppauge ones work obviously |
| [12:08:32] | elfranger: | Ruleke is correct |
| [12:08:32] | Juski: | look over at lirc.org |
| [12:08:54] | elfranger: | ok, thanx. Will try not to flood you all with my newbie questions |
| [12:09:20] | Juski: | noobness is never an excuse to shy away from doing your own research |
| [12:09:45] | Juski: | people are using it like a frickin shield these days & it pisses me off |
| [12:10:00] | Ruleke: | who uses the term noob anyway |
| [12:10:15] | Juski: | plenty people |
| [12:10:21] | Juski: | too damn many |
| [12:10:28] | Ruleke: | hehe |
| [12:10:43] | Ruleke: | wow that wikipedia article is extensive |
| [12:11:09] | Ruleke: | "Newb and noob may have somewhat different connotations. Newbs are simply newcomers—noob and n00b, on the other hand, generally means someone who is obnoxious, annoying, or breaks the rules;" |
| [12:11:13] | Ruleke: | haha |
| [12:11:20] | elfranger: | Juski: I am sorry. Not trying to take the easy way, but as long as I have no knowledge of even what to look for, I need to ask |
| [12:11:40] | Juski: | elfranger: generally just google for "brand/model of remote" and "linux" |
| [12:12:03] | elfranger: | i know, i know. point taken |
| [12:12:15] | Ruleke: | google powah |
| [12:13:13] | elfranger: | google is usually a good friend, but I kind of hit the wall and needed some more input |
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| [12:15:12] | Juski: | aww there's no wikipedia entry for emotard yet |
| [12:17:12] | JohnQ: | .. So make onw |
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| [12:40:25] | psycodad: | does anybody know if the Kiss Players with Ethernet / Wireless can be used as players for a Mythtv backend ? They talk on their Website about access to files and ftp and somewhere else about Windows XP being required... |
| [12:41:16] | psycodad: | i dont want a full fledged frontend, i just want to be able to access /myth/pretty |
| [12:42:00] | Ruleke: | a samba share maybe ? |
| [12:42:31] | psycodad: | yeah, or by http no matter, im just not sure if Kiss uses something proprietary to stream media from the pc to the player... |
| [12:43:03] | Ruleke: | read the manual ? :P |
| [12:43:45] | stuarta: | probably uses standard discovery protocols to find stuff to play |
| [12:43:57] | psycodad: | Ruleke: do you know that the answer is there ? I've read the manual in the store since the clerk didnt know |
| [12:44:04] | stuarta: | where standard = that ms crap. |
| [12:44:53] | psycodad: | hmmm...else those thinggies would be wonderful...i just want no pc in my sleeping room... |
| [12:45:45] | stuarta: | does it use uPnP |
| [12:46:29] | psycodad: | dont think so... |
| [12:46:50] | psycodad: | havent read anything mentioning upnp iirc |
| [12:47:12] | stuarta: | cause there is now stuff in the backend to make it announce itself as a media server. |
| [12:47:45] | psycodad: | im writing them a mail, even i dont think ill ever get a reply...but worth a try i think.. |
| [12:48:11] | stuarta: | don't bother mentioning mythtv. they won't understand |
| [12:48:32] | psycodad: | lol |
| [12:49:46] | stuarta: | gotta website address for it? |
| [12:49:57] | psycodad: | http://www.kiss-technology.com |
| [12:50:09] | psycodad: | im considering the http://www.kiss-technology.com/files/brochure . . . chure_EN.pdf |
| [12:50:42] | Ruleke: | http://www.kiss-technology.com/files/manuals/DP-600_eng_v1.3.pdf |
| [12:50:56] | Ruleke: | model number for HDMP is DP-600 |
| [12:52:00] | psycodad: | doesnt say much about the inner workings of this "Kiss-Link" thing |
| [12:52:09] | Ruleke: | kiss PC-link |
| [12:52:13] | Ruleke: | sounds proprietary |
| [12:52:22] | Ruleke: | though it also does that windows media connect thing |
| [12:52:25] | Ruleke: | and the Nero thing |
| [12:52:40] | psycodad: | on the other hand, they run a ftp server on the models with harddisk, so ... something open too |
| [12:53:33] | psycodad: | ill dl kisslink to see what it does in a vmware machine |
| [12:54:06] | stuarta: | see if it advertises itself as a media server |
| [12:54:51] | stuarta: | GPL is in the user manual... |
| [12:56:56] | Ruleke: | yep |
| [12:57:05] | Ruleke: | all kiss things run some form of linux |
| [12:57:13] | Ruleke: | even the first dvd player they made |
| [12:57:19] | Krazylegz: | Throwing this here for the log: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-494837-highlight-ivtv.html . That's for anyone using Gentoo who is having issues emerging ivtv with the error messages about CONFIG_VIDEO_blah not being enabled in your kernel. |
| [12:57:25] | Ruleke: | uclinux probably, I don't remember |
| [13:00:05] | psycodad: | not much yet, its a simple software, 4 tabs at the top: audio, video, pictures, info – no config or such, opens no shares, allows to drop files into the resp. tabs.. doesnt copy the files just add them to some kind of internal database |
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| [13:06:16] | psycodad: | ahh...found it listens to port 8000 tcp... lets see.. |
| [13:08:00] | stuarta: | hmm that's an alt http port |
| [13:08:27] | psycodad: | it doesnt look like http... at least the usual telnet to port doesnt bring anything... |
| [13:10:06] | stuarta: | at least the player supports the windows media connect |
| [13:10:38] | psycodad: | is this something mythtv supports ? |
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| [13:11:23] | stuarta: | is now announces itself as a media server, which is possibly what's required.... |
| [13:11:59] | psycodad: | im just reading about mplayer folks and kiss folks having arguments about GPL issues... |
| [13:12:21] | Dibblah: | Ah. Stuarta: Was it you that was asking about linkage descriptors? |
| [13:12:23] | stuarta: | yeah, the probably nicked the code |
| [13:12:43] | Dibblah: | (On Astra 28.2 |
| [13:13:41] | Dibblah: | Because I can't find any reference to what a linkage descriptor is apart from in reference to box firmware updates. |
| [13:14:15] | stuarta: | you'll see them if doing dvbsnoops |
| [13:14:41] | Dibblah: | I don't see anything obvious. What PID / filter? |
| [13:15:30] | Dibblah: | Tried everything from the original thread, no "linkage" text in any of the DVBSnoop output. |
| [13:16:03] | stuarta: | they are optional, so they will only be there if implemented |
| [13:17:05] | Dibblah: | And they are? I'd be assuming some sort of redirection to a 'moved' channel... |
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| [13:17:26] | stuarta: | there is a linkage type == EIT |
| [13:17:50] | stuarta: | which in theory provides a pointer to the EIT data service channel |
| [13:18:25] | Dibblah: | Ah. I see now. |
| [13:18:58] | stuarta: | they can be used for other things as well. |
| [13:19:15] | Dibblah: | In which case, fairly definitely not – The native boxes aren't using real EIT, so there'd be no point... |
| [13:19:20] | Dibblah: | (Apart from now / nexe) |
| [13:19:25] | Dibblah: | next, even. |
| [13:19:47] | Krazylegz: | I don't think I've ever had to recompile my kernel this many times before. |
| [13:19:53] | stuarta: | yeah, but they might be using something we can decode if we can find it... |
| [13:19:56] | Krazylegz: | Oh well. At least I'm making steady progress. |
| [13:20:07] | Dibblah: | Find it? It's on the IEPG channel. |
| [13:20:55] | stuarta: | i'd guess it has a different service type? |
| [13:22:26] | Dibblah: | Give me a sec while I have a look with pidscan. |
| [13:25:06] | stuarta: | have a look at the SDT on pid 0x11 |
| [13:25:47] | Dibblah: | The BAT? |
| [13:26:08] | stuarta: | no SDT, BAT & SDT share the same PID IIRC |
| [13:26:29] | stuarta: | we don't do Bouqet's yet (BAT) |
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| [13:27:34] | Dibblah: | I see linkage descriptors. One sec while I get pastebin. |
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| [13:29:33] | Dibblah: | http://pastebin.ca/161459 |
| [13:29:50] | Dibblah: | That's in the BAT. Bugger. |
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| [13:35:22] | sPOiDar: | anyone about? |
| [13:35:54] | ** stuarta hides ** | |
| [13:36:01] | sPOiDar: | lol |
| [13:36:28] | sPOiDar: | slightly odd myth behaviour question |
| [13:37:18] | sPOiDar: | if i fast-forward a recording the display goes blank, the hdd thrashes hard and then I'm dumped back to the recordings screen... any clues? |
| [13:37:25] | psycodad: | for the records, there is an oss daemon kissd that does exactly what i want with the kiss player |
| [13:39:03] | sPOiDar: | and it occurs with all the decoders – standard, libmpeg, xvmc, with hdtv recordings obviously |
| [13:39:11] | Zider: | I have a kiss player :) |
| [13:39:30] | robbins876: | man... i hate 8am classes... |
| [13:39:37] | robbins876: | mon-fri 8–11 |
| [13:39:46] | robbins876: | this is rough |
| [13:39:50] | robbins876: | will be a long semester |
| [13:40:25] | Zider: | I usually go to sleep at 8 :P |
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| [13:42:45] | grevees: | Was wondering if anyone can tell me how to adjust the screen size to actually "FIT" my screen |
| [13:42:51] | Dibblah: | SDT has binary blobs all over it, but doesn't appear to be anything obviously useful. |
| [13:43:17] | sPOiDar: | grevees – set aspect to 'fit'? |
| [13:43:18] | grevees: | none of the tools will actually adjust the posistion, nor size |
| [13:43:23] | stuarta: | Dibblah: most of the stuff is in private descriptors that dvbsnoop doesn't know about. |
| [13:43:35] | stuarta: | engineering required :-/ |
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| [13:43:57] | grevees: | yeah, there is a 1 inch gap on the left, 1/2 on the right, 1.5 at the bottom, and 1.5 at the top |
| [13:44:07] | sPOiDar: | ahh, set overscan |
| [13:44:19] | grevees: | its not just with myth though |
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| [13:44:26] | grevees: | its actually Suse too |
| [13:44:43] | grevees: | infact, any distro I've used ends up the same way |
| [13:44:45] | sPOiDar: | yeah, set it using the nvidia-settings app if you're using an nvidia card |
| [13:45:10] | Kelerion: | I asked this the other day but have forgotten already... how do you ping a whole subnet to see which pc's are still there? |
| [13:45:12] | grevees: | hmm, last night didn't work, what series of drivrs do you reccomend? |
| [13:45:23] | sPOiDar: | Kelerion: nmap |
| [13:45:44] | grevees: | I've heard good things about the older drivers |
| [13:45:50] | Kelerion: | thats the one.. thanks |
| [13:45:54] | stuarta: | or you can just ping the broadcast address... |
| [13:45:54] | sPOiDar: | nmap -sP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/24 |
| [13:46:09] | stuarta: | messy but it works |
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| [13:46:15] | sPOiDar: | grevees: current release nvidia's should do fine |
| [13:46:38] | sPOiDar: | the proprietary drivers that is, not xorg |
| [13:47:03] | grevees: | yeah, I was going to go with the ones driectly form nvidia |
| [13:47:04] | evilDagmar: | If they're sloppy you can use a broadcast ping |
| [13:47:14] | evilDagmar: | Generally those should be allowed, but filtered at gateways |
| [13:47:27] | evilDagmar: | Those darn smurfs |
| [13:47:33] | sPOiDar: | :) |
| [13:49:47] | sPOiDar: | so, should I hit SVN to try and beat this fast-forward issue, or anyone got any ideas – not getting anything useful from the logs, is suppose i could try running it up in strace or something, but I was kinda hoping it was a known issue |
| [13:52:11] | Ruleke: | I had improved behaviour when the "seek exact frame" option is set |
| [13:52:15] | Ruleke: | or something like it |
| [13:52:41] | sPOiDar: | yeah, had that on to start with, tried with it off too... |
| [13:52:45] | sPOiDar: | :/ |
| [13:53:34] | sPOiDar: | had my box offline for a while, and since I brought it back up this has been busted, damned if I can see why :( |
| [13:54:05] | psycodad: | Zider: Do you use your Kiss with Mythtv ?? |
| [13:54:51] | Hoxzer: | :) seems like I just managed to setup mythweb |
| [13:55:29] | Zider: | psycodad: no, it sucks too hard :P |
| [13:56:07] | psycodad: | ever tried the opensource kissd ? Or what problems are you having ? Im seriously considering one... |
| [13:56:44] | Ruleke: | hmm kissd ? |
| [13:56:51] | Ruleke: | so it's proprietary eh ? |
| [13:56:54] | Zider: | the problems is that the dvd-drive is having problems reading burned dvd's |
| [13:57:10] | Zider: | at least, some of them |
| [13:57:18] | Ruleke: | http://www.popies.net/kissd/index.html |
| [13:57:22] | Ruleke: | interesting |
| [13:57:23] | psycodad: | Ruleke: absolutely..but it seems there is quite some oss alternatives around for the pc-link |
| [13:57:32] | Zider: | pc-link? |
| [13:57:37] | Ruleke: | yeah |
| [13:57:41] | Ruleke: | kiss pc-link |
| [13:57:45] | Zider: | ahh kiss 15xx |
| [13:57:49] | Zider: | mine is 1000 |
| [13:57:52] | Ruleke: | no DP-600 iirc |
| [13:57:56] | psycodad: | Zider: i dont want dvd playback, just content from the network |
| [13:58:08] | Zider: | psycodad: mine has no network |
| [13:58:20] | psycodad: | ah ok... |
| [13:58:21] | Ruleke: | should take a look at the source to see what it does :) |
| [13:58:38] | Zider: | psycodad: part of the reason I built a mythbox instead ;) |
| [13:58:41] | Ruleke: | kissd is for 15xx it says though |
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| [13:59:13] | psycodad: | it should work with 600 too and there is another kissd for dp600 specific |
| [13:59:13] | Zider: | Ruleke: yeah, the network ones |
| [13:59:46] | Ruleke: | well the DP-600 has network |
| [13:59:52] | Zider: | ah |
| [13:59:53] | Ruleke: | ah cool |
| [14:00:11] | Ruleke: | bleh I'm still not buying one |
| [14:01:01] | Zider: | btw, what does the kiss player have to do with mythtv? |
| [14:01:05] | psycodad: | what would you recommend as fanless, wireless frontend to mythtv ? |
| [14:01:14] | psycodad: | does that answer you Zider ? |
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| [14:02:03] | Zider: | kissd on a kiss player is not mythtv frontend :) |
| [14:02:19] | Zider: | I wouldn't recommend wireless at all |
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| [14:03:55] | Ruleke: | I've talked with people that do the mediamvp with wireless bridge thing |
| [14:04:07] | Ruleke: | no idea how well it works, they say it's ok |
| [14:07:25] | Zider: | from what I've heard, wlan can't cope with it properly |
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| [14:13:15] | sPOiDar: | well, thx anyway peeps, i'll bash this thing a bit more, adios |
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| [14:15:41] | Ruleke: | Zider : depends on the bitrate eh :P |
| [14:16:11] | Juski: | never mind the bitrate. wireless simply sucks for stuff other than web browsing & stuff like that |
| [14:16:41] | Ruleke: | heh because if you don't buffer enough, there are interruptions ? |
| [14:16:56] | Juski: | even 'G' wireless can't cope with SDTV mpeg2 sometimes |
| [14:17:03] | Ruleke: | I wouldn't use it myself, but I think it could work |
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| [14:17:16] | Ruleke: | yep depends on peak bitrate |
| [14:17:32] | Ruleke: | then again, there are ppl still use bt capture cards too :P |
| [14:17:36] | Juski: | occasionally but I have a tendency to get very pissed off when something doesn't work 100% of the time |
| [14:17:48] | Ruleke: | with $deity knows how small resolutions :) |
| [14:18:09] | Juski: | yeh well those folks can go to hell |
| [14:18:24] | Ruleke: | haha juski hasn't taken his medicine again :) |
| [14:18:48] | simcop2387: | ooo 0.20 only has 8 tickets open! yay! |
| [14:18:50] | Juski: | naw I'm just saying what I think |
| [14:19:15] | slaine_: | qu0zl and myself have been tempted to get some of those ethernet over power routers |
| [14:19:21] | Juski: | I need to test 0.20 on my epia frontend.. I have a terrible feeling it's gonna go badly wrong |
| [14:19:40] | simcop2387: | Juski: why's that? |
| [14:19:50] | slaine_: | 'cause he's an optimist ;) |
| [14:20:11] | Ruleke: | slaine_: that could work very nicely with homepna 2.0 or higher |
| [14:20:28] | Juski: | just something I read about someone else's epia setup with SVN |
| [14:20:34] | Ruleke: | with phone wire |
| [14:20:45] | Ruleke: | no idea where the powerplug thing is these days |
| [14:20:52] | Juski: | that said, Pablo who makes minimyth knows what he's doing so I'm fairly confident about it |
| [14:21:16] | slaine_: | Juski, you use mini-myth on that epia board yeah ? |
| [14:21:20] | Ruleke: | I guess HomePlug AV will do nicely |
| [14:21:36] | ** Ruleke is running on epia... ** | |
| [14:21:41] | Ruleke: | no minimyth tho |
| [14:21:44] | Juski: | yeah slaine_ it was faster than trying gentoo on that machine :-P |
| [14:21:57] | slaine_: | Rueke, I've seen some nice gear claiming anything up to 80mbps |
| [14:22:02] | Juski: | minimyth makes for a fantastically quick to set up frontend |
| [14:22:12] | slaine_: | It might have been netgear stuff, but I can't recall |
| [14:22:12] | Ruleke: | spec calls for 200 with real world of half that |
| [14:22:55] | psycodad: | Ruleke: i use a bt capture card AND wireless.. i feel old now ;-) |
| [14:23:13] | Ruleke: | psycodad: It's juski that wants you to go to hell, not me :p |
| [14:24:04] | simcop2387: | psycodad: i've done both, though with my pvr150 i don't use my bt card for that anymore |
| [14:24:46] | Ruleke: | hurrah |
| [14:24:54] | Ruleke: | slaine_: http://www.homeplug.org/en/docs/HPAV-White-Paper_050818.pdf |
| [14:25:59] | ** simcop2387 is still holding out for a component hd encoder card ** | |
| [14:26:09] | Ruleke: | what does that mean ? |
| [14:26:16] | Ruleke: | component hd encoder ? |
| [14:26:23] | Ruleke: | sounds strange |
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| [14:26:37] | Juski: | simcop2387: don't hold your breath |
| [14:26:43] | simcop2387: | component video (the three video rca cables) encoder for high def video |
| [14:26:48] | slaine_: | Rueke, that looks impressive |
| [14:26:51] | psycodad: | simcop2387: i have a pvr150 in the master and a bt848 in the slave backend, connect via IPSec vpn overt 10mbit to the frontends ;-) |
| [14:26:52] | simcop2387: | Juski: it'll happen, just a question of when |
| [14:26:58] | Ruleke: | erm you mean it takes component as input ? |
| [14:27:04] | simcop2387: | yea |
| [14:27:22] | Ruleke: | why would you need that |
| [14:27:26] | Ruleke: | I need it to have a tuner |
| [14:27:34] | Ruleke: | preferably 2 :) |
| [14:27:42] | slaine_: | it'll be some years before we get HDTV here in ireland |
| [14:27:49] | Ruleke: | oh |
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| [14:28:08] | slaine_: | Unless you go with Sky or something |
| [14:28:13] | Juski: | then ask yourself this... the pvr150 chips are capable of capturing 720p & encoding it to mpeg2... so how come there's nothing on the market yet? |
| [14:28:39] | simcop2387: | Juski: the mpaa thats why! |
| [14:28:40] | simcop2387: | heh |
| [14:28:47] | Ruleke: | I still don't understand :-/ |
| [14:28:48] | slaine_: | conspiracy |
| [14:29:01] | Ruleke: | what would you feed into it ? |
| [14:29:02] | Juski: | and the mpaa are just gonna vanish I suppose |
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| [14:29:47] | simcop2387: | Juski: if they truely are capable then that'd be pretty neat of a hack to the firmware (and adding a new tuner) to a pvr 150, be a fun project if you had the ability |
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| [14:30:42] | Juski: | making the connections to a ball-grid array device might be a tad tricky |
| [14:31:07] | simcop2387: | yea, possible though, just very hard |
| [14:31:29] | Dibblah: | stuarta: You don't happen to know if they're using the standard OpenTV EPG rather than the NDS custom version, do you? |
| [14:31:30] | Ruleke: | someone explain it to me :) |
| [14:32:47] | Juski: | Ruleke: basically talking about taking YPrPb from a set top box's analogue HDTV output & slapping it onto the PCI bus.... |
| [14:33:02] | simcop2387: | yea |
| [14:34:55] | gbee: | Juski: play nicely ;) |
| [14:35:00] | Ruleke: | oh |
| [14:35:05] | Ruleke: | set top box... |
| [14:35:15] | Ruleke: | that's why I built a mythtv box, to not have to buy one of those |
| [14:36:16] | simcop2387: | some people though still have other set top boxes such as direct tv ones that don't have firewire (like my parents) |
| [14:36:30] | Ruleke: | bah |
| [14:38:34] | Dibblah: | pvr150s can't do anything greater than 720x576. |
| [14:39:11] | Juski: | Dibblah: the chips used on them CAN. look at the conexant datasheet |
| [14:39:31] | Dibblah: | Uhuh. The mpeg encoder however can't. |
| [14:40:10] | Dibblah: | Trust me – I've been there. The firmware isn't even slightly pretty. |
| [14:40:36] | simcop2387: | its always hackable though :) practical no but possible |
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| [14:41:10] | simcop2387: | i imagine though there isn't enough ram around for the higher resolutions though if its not internal (never examined the cards that much myself) |
| [14:41:38] | Juski: | 'pro' HD capture cards exist if you wanna try develop linux drivers for em |
| [14:41:58] | simcop2387: | i don't have the money for them :) |
| [14:42:10] | simcop2387: | if i did i'd definately give it a try if i knew enough about them |
| [14:42:26] | Juski: | anyway with the move to HDMI protected by HDCP this is all completely academic |
| [14:42:37] | simcop2387: | yea |
| [14:43:13] | simcop2387: | some korean company or something will produce bootleg hardware that will do it (i'm hoping) anyway :) |
| [14:43:13] | Juski: | folks rabbited on about the 'analog hole' being closed by legislation but the fact of the matter is, analogue devices are falling by the wayside of their own accord |
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| [14:43:48] | Juski: | and hey if we, the linuxy mythtv users get further marginalised, who cares? :-P |
| [14:45:03] | simcop2387: | and anyone wanting a pvr in the end since the people who developed hdcp (i think i remember reading this) said they wouldn't license anything that could be used to record the video like a pvr |
| [14:47:24] | Juski: | for 'their' grand plan to fail, consumers have to vote with their wallets, which I can't see happening |
| [14:47:44] | simcop2387: | yea |
| [14:48:44] | Ruleke: | voting with wallets doesn't work in an oligarchy :) |
| [14:49:23] | simcop2387: | esp when most people don't think |
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| [14:53:36] | slaine_: | From what I've seen there's not much early adopter stuff going on with the HD-DVD/BD stuff |
| [14:53:55] | slaine_: | It's starting to look rather alot like DVD-Audio and SACD |
| [14:54:18] | slaine_: | HD audio never took off bar for a small minority who want it. |
| [14:55:04] | simcop2387: | i never saw the need for HD audio, except if it had many channels but its still not needed really |
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| [14:56:25] | Krazylegz: | simcop2387: Could you tell the difference? |
| [14:57:03] | slaine_: | And that comment is pretty much where HD-DVD/BD stuff is boiling down to |
| [14:57:09] | gbee: | HD-DVD/BD is a mess, but the one good thing to come out of it will be the competition |
| [14:57:19] | slaine_: | On an average joe's size TV/LCD/PLASMA, can you tell the difference |
| [14:57:23] | simcop2387: | Krazylegz: difference with what? hd audio? |
| [14:57:46] | slaine_: | The concesus seems to be yes, but not enough of a diff to justify the expense/format gamble |
| [14:58:19] | slaine_: | I was a DVD early adopter, no way I'd be a HD early adopter |
| [14:58:30] | Krazylegz: | simcop2387: Yes. |
| [14:58:58] | simcop2387: | Krazylegz: with a standard stereo setup, no, with more speakers/channels i heard a difference but not enough that i thought it was worth it |
| [14:59:20] | Krazylegz: | Ah. |
| [14:59:21] | gbee: | the benefits of DVD were more tangible, it was superior to VHS in every regard – HD-DVD/BD only offer an slightly improved image |
| [14:59:26] | Krazylegz: | At long as you heard a difference. :-) |
| [14:59:41] | stuarta: | Dibblah: extremely unlikely |
| [15:00:06] | simcop2387: | with the normal stereo setup most people have better than cd quality audio isn't really needed |
| [15:00:15] | Dibblah: | Yeah, none of the EPG streams look right for that. |
| [15:00:25] | Dibblah: | If only it was that or MHW :( |
| [15:00:45] | Juski: | last thing I'll chip in with here is that most people tend to just go "oooooo 'digital quality'" as if the two words are synonymous, which they clearly aren't! |
| [15:01:01] | simcop2387: | Juski: yea i hate that |
| [15:01:41] | Dibblah: | Try UK DAB radio if you need convincing. |
| [15:02:41] | Dibblah: | http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversi . . . /t46371.html |
| [15:04:48] | slaine_: | At least with VHS it was harder to damage the media |
| [15:04:54] | slaine_: | DVD's are too easily scratched |
| [15:05:00] | Juski: | try 128kbit mp3 if you need convincing. or jpeg |
| [15:05:13] | Juski: | or DVB-T, DVD.... dum de dummm |
| [15:05:22] | Dibblah: | Juski: Just what I'm meaning – That's what DAB in the UK IS. |
| [15:05:34] | gbee: | personally audio quality of radio has never been a big concern |
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| [15:06:04] | Juski: | Dibblah: DAB is actually mpeg1 layer 2, not even as efficient as mp3 |
| [15:07:52] | slaine_: | Of course, wheather customers willingly upgrade to the new formats isn't much concern. They'll simply stop producing for the old format as it's insecure and force people to upgrade. |
| [15:08:46] | slaine_: | You want that summer block buster for xmas, well it's exclusively available on HD-DVD/BD from Nov 25th.... |
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| [15:11:36] | Juski: | guess I'll be going without then :) |
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| [15:15:41] | slaine_: | Juski, historically that hasn't worked though |
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| [15:16:36] | slaine_: | CD's eventually took off even though many people saw them as inferior to Vinyl despite what the marketing saying. And that was slowly due to stuff stopping being released on Vinyl |
| [15:17:11] | Juski: | hmm how many CDs have I bought in my lifetime.. willingly (neglecting the shite I 'had' to buy for my DJing)... maybe ten or so |
| [15:17:13] | slaine_: | Slightly different with DVD, as, it had an obvious increase quality of VHS, it was the fastest selling media format eva !! |
| [15:17:57] | slaine_: | Juski, good man, you're a minority though. |
| [15:18:05] | gbee: | the menus, subtitles etc also helped sell DVD |
| [15:18:49] | Ruleke: | I've never bought a CD in my life |
| [15:18:54] | Ruleke: | for myself anyway |
| [15:18:58] | ** Ruleke thinks hard ** | |
| [15:19:08] | Ruleke: | make sure I'm not lying |
| [15:19:14] | slaine_: | I've bought loads, didn't have that much Vinyl in the first place |
| [15:19:24] | Ruleke: | I'm sure |
| [15:19:30] | slaine_: | My dad refused to buy any for years, but eventually started. |
| [15:19:30] | Ruleke: | I've gotten some as gifts though |
| [15:19:59] | Ruleke: | I used to copy them to casette tape from friends too :P |
| [15:20:10] | simcop2387: | i can't remember can mythtranscode do mpeg2->mpeg2 and cut out commercials? |
| [15:20:11] | slaine_: | lol, yeah, I'd a crate of those :) |
| [15:20:16] | gbee: | I buy CDs, never bought an MP3 (using the term lightly because I *would* buy them if they were actually mp3s) |
| [15:20:24] | gbee: | simcop2387: yes |
| [15:20:34] | slaine_: | gbee, there are mp3 sites that sell un-drm'd files |
| [15:20:38] | Ruleke: | there are places where you can buy mp3 iirc |
| [15:20:53] | slaine_: | I'd never buy an mp3/aac file |
| [15:21:05] | simcop2387: | gbee: cool i couldn't remember, i've got to burn two shows tonight to dvd for my parents since their mythbox went down last night, hd failure is what it seems like |
| [15:21:09] | gbee: | sure, but selection is often poor – at least on the sites I'm aware of |
| [15:21:15] | slaine_: | And I laugh when people complain that they can't do x y z with some song they bought off iTunes |
| [15:21:56] | gbee: | simcop2387: I should point out that I use SVN, I really can't remember whether mpeg2 lossless transcoding was in 0.19 |
| [15:22:01] | Juski: | been a minority all my life and I don't plan to go changing |
| [15:22:12] | Juski: | gbee: it is in 0.19 |
| [15:22:19] | simcop2387: | cool |
| [15:23:00] | ** gbee has a poor memory ** | |
| [15:23:12] | ** stuarta couldn't remember either ** | |
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| [15:25:08] | slaine_: | catch you guys tomorrow |
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| [15:33:30] | melunko: | Hello there, does anyone know what mythtv command is used to transmit livetv content from backend to frontend? |
| [15:33:58] | Kelerion: | it uses it's own internal protocol for that |
| [15:34:11] | melunko: | I tried to use FileTransfer, but it seems the backend stops when the returned filesize achieves its position |
| [15:34:34] | Kelerion: | what is it your trying to do? |
| [15:35:02] | melunko: | kelerion: I'm trying to make a simple program that calls spawn tv, setup the remote encoder and play the livetv content |
| [15:35:44] | melunko: | kelerion: I'm trying to use FileTransfer to get the correct .nuv file remotelly, but as the capture is running, the filesize increases and FileTransfer stops |
| [15:36:04] | Kelerion: | why not just use mythfrontend? |
| [15:36:28] | melunko: | Kelerion: I'm trying to develop a small frontend |
| [15:36:36] | melunko: | a simple one |
| [15:36:53] | melunko: | Do you know how it works? |
| [15:37:29] | Dibblah: | What's wrong with just using the mythtv test program? |
| [15:37:35] | Kelerion: | yes.. the backend uses it's own internal protocol to transmit a stream to a frontend... so if you were going to do it properly you'd need to replicate the myth protocol |
| [15:38:31] | Kelerion: | or.. you could just tell the backend to run livetv.. find out the nuv from the database... and open it over nfs with mplayer/vlc/whatever-play-you-want |
| [15:38:51] | Kelerion: | player |
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| [15:40:49] | geemark: | how do I get streaming over MythWeb? mythweb already makes links to /pl/stream/...., but I have not installed any streaming – it simply says "an unknown module was specified" |
| [15:41:21] | melunko: | Kelerion: I believe the current frontend doen't use nfs, am I wrong? |
| [15:41:34] | Kelerion: | actually.. it does if it finds it |
| [15:41:37] | melunko: | Is it using FileTransfer commands? |
| [15:41:50] | Kelerion: | otherwise it falls back to the myth protocol |
| [15:42:17] | melunko: | I see, so I would like to understand how it uses myth protocol, so my solution could be more usefull and general |
| [15:43:04] | melunko: | I sucessfully played the begin of the livetv .nuv file, but after some time, the FileTransfer socket stops, I mean, the backend stops to send content |
| [15:43:09] | GreyFoxx: | melunko: And you can't just analyze a tcpdump of a successful remote frontend/backend transaction to find what you want ? |
| [15:43:32] | melunko: | GreyFoxx: I did it, and I saw that the backend stops sending the files |
| [15:43:52] | melunko: | when I call FileTransfer, it returns the filesize in that moment... |
| [15:44:09] | Kelerion: | well yes.. I'd expect it to |
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| [15:44:30] | melunko: | but as livetv increases the filesize during the capturing, it seems that file transfer socket stop sending after the first filesize I got is achieved, did you get my problem? |
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| [15:45:17] | melunko: | GreyFoxx: how does the current frontend proceed? |
| [15:45:41] | JohnRobert: | I'm running mythtv on an older system, mplayer seems to play everything with an audio delay of about 0.5 seconds.. anyone know how I can avoid this? I'm using alsa of course, framedrop etc.. makes no difference. |
| [15:46:17] | Juski: | melunko: you do know that you could just use a samba/nfs share instead don't you? |
| [15:46:35] | Kelerion: | I've told him that |
| [15:46:40] | Juski: | ah oops |
| [15:47:04] | melunko: | Yes, I know, but I would force the user to setup it? I see it is not the standard way to use mythtv, isn't it? |
| [15:47:15] | Kelerion: | he's got his heart set on something that isn't working though |
| [15:47:27] | Juski: | folks are forced to use samba with the XBMCmythtv scripts |
| [15:47:47] | Juski: | but hey yeah speak native myth protocol & you're laughing |
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| [15:48:20] | Kelerion: | melunko, I've already told you... nfs *is* used if it's there.. so yes I'd call that standard |
| [15:48:25] | Juski: | if I knew a ifdef from a .h file I'd have a go making a frontend too |
| [15:50:14] | melunko: | Kelerion: I see, I will do that if I can't understand myth protocol, but I believe I will :) |
| [15:50:45] | Juski: | that's the spirit! |
| [15:50:47] | melunko: | I can already play recorded files, but their size doen't change |
| [15:50:52] | Kelerion: | I knocked up a little frontend-type-thingie in VB once... all it did was list programs from the db.. open them in vlc from a network drive.. and I could turn things on and off using the telnet port to another running frontend |
| [15:51:01] | Kelerion: | took all of about an hour.. lol |
| [15:51:12] | Juski: | Kelerion: already more than what tapeworm does :-) |
| [15:51:59] | Kelerion: | tapeworm? |
| [15:52:34] | Kelerion: | got it |
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| [15:56:06] | Kelerion: | yup... that was pretty much identical to what I'd done.. lol.. didn't even know about that program |
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| [16:00:34] | Juski: | hey it's coming up to mythtv's 2nd birthday in my house |
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| [16:02:34] | Kelerion: | hey..I can see a squirrel on my cctv.. lol |
| [16:02:35] | Krazylegz: | Juski: I'm celebrating 1 year by rebuilding the box on Gentoo. :-) |
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| [16:03:18] | Kelerion: | nearly 3 here I think... maybe 2 1/2... one of those things you can't remember being without.. lol |
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| [16:03:38] | stuarta: | getting on for two as well. |
| [16:04:12] | Juski: | I don't even know where our VCR is |
| [16:04:49] | Kelerion: | I do.. in my loft packed away in a box.. lol |
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| [16:12:38] | geemark: | just to be sure – if you have an analog input, as well as a DVB-S input (a hauppauge 1300 card), you can use the channels "transparently" right? the user will not be able to see what channels is on what card/source ? |
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| [16:13:37] | geemark: | you can just browse the channels even though they are read from different inputs? |
| [16:14:04] | Juski: | not that a hauppauge hvr1300 works in linux though |
| [16:14:14] | Juski: | nor is it dvb-s |
| [16:14:43] | geemark: | 1300 has no linux drivers? |
| [16:14:51] | Juski: | not yet no |
| [16:15:38] | geemark: | any suggestions for ones that do? |
| [16:16:08] | Juski: | www.linuxtv.org – the wiki there |
| [16:16:51] | geemark: | thx |
| [16:17:08] | madfactor: | 0. |
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| [16:20:35] | Juski: | always read the v4l dvb wiki before even considering buying a tuner these days. it could save you a lot of headache |
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| [17:09:36] | d3ity: | hey all. |
| [17:09:40] | d3ity: | problem configuring mythtv |
| [17:10:01] | d3ity: | It can't find my x11, which x11 directory should I point --x11-path to? |
| [17:10:19] | d3ity: | the one with the actual startx in? or a directory for the x11 libs? |
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| [17:13:19] | Anduin: | d3ity: at configure time? |
| [17:13:33] | d3ity: | Anduin, yes |
| [17:13:41] | d3ity: | # Video Output Support |
| [17:13:41] | d3ity: | x11 support no |
| [17:13:47] | d3ity: | thats what I get when I configure normally. |
| [17:14:14] | Anduin: | d3ity: 64-bit? |
| [17:14:25] | d3ity: | Anduin, they still make 32 bit? |
| [17:14:30] | fryfrog: | maybe you need x11-devel type packages? |
| [17:14:33] | d3ity: | fryfrog, nope. |
| [17:14:40] | d3ity: | fryfrog, I've got em already. |
| [17:14:48] | fryfrog: | so point --x11-path to em? |
| [17:14:48] | Anduin: | d3ity: You can --libdir-name=lib64 |
| [17:14:53] | d3ity: | Anduin, I think we went through this again. |
| [17:15:02] | d3ity: | well, we went through this before, but I forget how we did it |
| [17:15:08] | Anduin: | d3ity: as apparently it isn't in /etc/ld.so.conf |
| [17:16:40] | d3ity: | bash-3.00$ ./configure --libdir-name=lib64 |
| [17:16:40] | d3ity: | Unknown option "--libdir-name=lib64". |
| [17:17:59] | fryfrog: | you try "./configure --help | grep libdir"? |
| [17:18:36] | d3ity: | fryfrog, myth doesn't have any configure options relating to libdir |
| [17:18:42] | d3ity: | at least according to --help |
| [17:18:50] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [17:19:01] | fryfrog: | you could try "nano -w configure" and search for libdir |
| [17:19:13] | fryfrog: | *sometimes* there are extra options not mentioned in --help (in general) |
| [17:19:17] | fryfrog: | but prolly not |
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| [17:19:49] | d3ity: | Anduin, any more ideas? |
| [17:20:53] | Anduin: | There are many options not mentioned in the help, d3ity it is probably a new flag. has_library will also search LD_LIBRARY_PATH DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH, everything in /etc/ld.so.conf, unfortunately not extralibs it seems. |
| [17:21:14] | d3ity: | so whats my options here |
| [17:22:16] | Anduin: | d3ity: set the first two before configure, or edit the last to include the right directory |
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| [17:26:50] | d3ity: | Anduin, what files would be in this directory, god knows x11 has like 20 diffrent directories |
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| [17:27:38] | Anduin: | d3ity: The X11 search is based on libX11 |
| [17:27:46] | d3ity: | ok |
| [17:27:49] | d3ity: | thats what I needed |
| [17:28:34] | Anduin: | Everything is in configure, once you get past the unpleasantness of sh. |
| [17:28:36] | simcop2387: | is there an already existing script that'll fill out info in the database about mame games for mythgame? |
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| [17:28:48] | d3ity: | Anduin, that did it, thanks |
| [17:31:12] | Juski: | oh noes.. someone has a problem escaping from mythaudio (on the forums)... wtf is mythaudio I wonder? |
| [17:32:27] | simcop2387: | mythmusic maybe? |
| [17:32:28] | Juski: | oh hell no.. just googled it. some SUSE package.. must be what they called MythMusic. FFS guys keep the package names the same!! |
| [17:33:00] | Anduin: | I hope they changed it to MythMovies for consistency. |
| [17:33:09] | Jedi_C: | when I run mythtv-setup, it gives me errors too fast for me to see and then tells me that it can't connect to the database, anyone got a link on how to enable mysql database in debian? |
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| [17:33:13] | Juski: | no fucking wonder so many people have issues when programs are called different things in different packages |
| [17:33:13] | simcop2387: | Juski: its also someone on livejournal! |
| [17:33:39] | kormoc: | Jedi_C, google likely knows |
| [17:33:43] | Juski: | are they deliberately trying to sabotage the project and/or confuse people? |
| [17:34:27] | robbins876: | is there anyway to tell how hot my CPU is in fedora? |
| [17:34:35] | kormoc: | d3ity, if it helps, my myth does have libdir-name option in configure |
| [17:34:50] | Juski: | robbins876: lmsensors in linux, usually |
| [17:34:58] | kormoc: | robbins876, if it's happy with your mobo, lmsensors aye |
| [17:35:14] | robbins876: | is that an app? |
| [17:35:32] | kormoc: | robbins876, it's a collection of things, might want to google and read the homepage about it |
| [17:35:32] | simcop2387: | basically it includes some kernel modules too |
| [17:36:13] | robbins876: | i think my video card is getting hot |
| [17:36:15] | robbins876: | and i don't know why |
| [17:36:44] | kormoc: | robbins876, checking your cpu temp won't tell you your gpu temp |
| [17:36:53] | robbins876: | i know this, man |
| [17:37:01] | kormoc: | robbins876, if it's a nvidia card, nvidia-settings might be able to tell you the gpu's temp |
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| [17:38:09] | robbins876: | no gpu temp there |
| [17:38:11] | robbins876: | sad |
| [17:38:24] | robbins876: | wait, yes there is |
| [17:38:32] | robbins876: | it's 75C is that hot? |
| [17:38:47] | simcop2387: | 167.00 Fahrenheit = 75.00 Celsius = 348.15 Kelvin |
| [17:38:48] | kormoc: | not *too* bad, but it is a bit warm |
| [17:39:04] | robbins876: | alright |
| [17:39:05] | simcop2387: | i've never had a gpu that hot i think |
| [17:39:06] | kormoc: | look at the scale, it should be in the upper green area, but not quite yellow at that temp right? |
| [17:39:21] | robbins876: | it's 2 bars of yello |
| [17:39:25] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [17:39:31] | robbins876: | i think the heatsink on my video card is dusty |
| [17:39:38] | kormoc: | yeah, that could cause it |
| [17:39:49] | robbins876: | i'm going to go buy some duster |
| [17:39:56] | simcop2387: | where are you seeing the temperature in nvidia-settings? |
| [17:40:06] | robbins876: | it's under thermal monitor |
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| [17:40:18] | robbins876: | it wasn't there at first, then i closed the window and reopened it and it was there |
| [17:40:21] | kormoc: | simcop2387, some nvidia cards have a temp sensor, and yeah, if your card supports it, you'll have a thermal monitor option |
| [17:40:34] | simcop2387: | mine must not then |
| [17:42:31] | kormoc: | my 5500 here doesn't, but my 5200, 5800, 6200, and 6800 all do |
| [17:42:54] | simcop2387: | i have never had a MB that properly reports the -12v line to lm_sensors, it always reports as being around +5v |
| [17:43:57] | geemark: | does MythTV still have an active Windows branch? |
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| [17:44:12] | Anduin: | geemark: No |
| [17:44:16] | Krazylegz: | Yes, they call it WithTV. |
| [17:44:19] | ** Krazylegz giggles ** | |
| [17:44:36] | geemark: | latest working Windows version of myth? |
| [17:44:55] | Juski: | let's just examine the question again... 'still have'.. would imply there ever WAS a Windows branch wouldn't it? |
| [17:45:04] | Krazylegz: | There was Windows frontend project. |
| [17:45:13] | Juski: | winmyth? |
| [17:45:13] | ** Krazylegz checks his notes ** | |
| [17:45:38] | Juski: | the crashiest crashy thing since crashes were invented? a frontend that could take out a backend? oh that one... |
| [17:45:57] | geemark: | ok then |
| [17:45:59] | Anduin: | There have been several attempts, with some code in SVN, and most recently a failed SoC project. |
| [17:46:10] | geemark: | :) |
| [17:46:19] | Juski: | the closest thing to a windows FE now is tapeworm, which will let you play back recordings |
| [17:46:34] | Anduin: | There is dsmyth as well |
| [17:46:53] | Anduin: | or whatever it is called (not sure if it is maintained) |
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| [17:47:18] | geemark: | not interesting if there is no backend :) |
| [17:47:24] | Juski: | dsmyth is really just a playback assistant for querying the db when you hover over a share of a recording – and some playback filters |
| [17:48:17] | geemark: | in other news – is it "normal" for the new integrated dvd player to produce static sound, and have lagging images? |
| [17:48:26] | Juski: | I can't think why anyone would want to run a mythtv backend on a windows box |
| [17:48:33] | Anduin: | geemark: No windows attempt so far has considered the backend. |
| [17:49:03] | geemark: | Juski: I can't think why anyone would want to run _anything_ on a windows box ;) |
| [17:49:10] | Juski: | a python-based FE would go down well.. it could be cross-platform then |
| [17:49:24] | Juski: | well portable at least |
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| [17:51:31] | Juski: | livetv will undoubtedly be the hardest thing to do though – since it'd rely on the myth protocol. everything else could be done with simple mysql & network file shares |
| [17:52:37] | Juski: | I'm amazed nobody's tried one – I mean there's Mediaportal on Windows (tried it the other week) but it's slow as hell & pretty sucky |
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| [17:58:04] | Juski: | funny how every time I say it'd be quite simple to do a frontend in theory, everybody goes quiet.... |
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| [17:58:40] | simcop2387: | thats because in theory, theory and practice should be the same, but in practice... |
| [17:58:47] | Juski: | lol |
| [17:59:42] | Anduin: | It isn't easy, and if it didn't do at least what the current frontend does it wouldn't be much better than what we have currently. |
| [17:59:59] | Krazylegz: | Why not just use MythStreamTV and MythWeb? |
| [18:01:29] | Juski: | why don't they just quit whining & use MCE instead anyway? |
| [18:01:53] | Anduin: | Why not use Samba + Window Media Player? VLC makes a poor frontend. |
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| [18:11:50] | simcop2387: | the only reason i have windows is for a very few games, and the only reason i never reboot ever into windows is because of mythtv :) if there was a mythtv backend (and an ext2/3 driver for windows) for windows i'd be happy to reboot for a game |
| [18:14:09] | kormoc: | this is why I like having a dedicated mythbox :) |
| [18:15:08] | simcop2387: | i can't afford two computers at the moment :) and my next computer will be an obsd box for a router :) |
| [18:15:30] | ** simcop2387 hugs mythweb for its program listing, it rocks ** | |
| [18:16:21] | Ribs: | hrm |
| [18:16:35] | Ribs: | Dunno what resoultion to run X at for proper 16:9 TV |
| [18:16:50] | kormoc: | depends on the tv standard |
| [18:16:57] | Ribs: | PAL |
| [18:17:14] | g-ram: | anyone know how to disable live-tv in knoppmyth r5d1? It seems mine has been recording channel 2 for the last 52 hours without me starting any recording. |
| [18:18:09] | kormoc: | Ribs, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resoluti . . . ion.2FMovies |
| [18:18:17] | Ribs: | cheers |
| [18:18:20] | kormoc: | Ribs, looks like 350x576 |
| [18:18:38] | Ribs: | hrm |
| [18:18:47] | Ribs: | but that's the same as the 4:3 resoultion ... ? |
| [18:19:24] | kormoc: | Ribs, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PalPlus |
| [18:19:57] | Ribs: | hrm |
| [18:20:16] | Ribs: | look further up the first page, XGA may be what I want |
| [18:20:23] | Ribs: | as MythTV and/or Xine can just scale it up |
| [18:20:33] | Ribs: | I just want to be rid of my black borders :> |
| [18:21:33] | kormoc: | you'll need to read up on your tv-out device too |
| [18:21:57] | Ribs: | nah, my TV is sexeh |
| [18:21:59] | Ribs: | it takes VGA :D |
| [18:22:02] | kormoc: | cause, as the palplus page says, it uses black bars to get 16:9 |
| [18:22:06] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [18:22:09] | kormoc: | nifty |
| [18:22:12] | Ribs: | yeah |
| [18:22:18] | Ribs: | rock solid picture :> |
| [18:22:33] | Ribs: | I was pretty lucky with that, when I brought it, I never thought I'd use it |
| [18:22:41] | Ribs: | (use the VGA port, that is) |
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| [18:28:55] | Ribs: | hrm, odd |
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| [18:29:24] | Ribs: | I've set the size of the screen to now be 1280x720, yet I can "scroll" the X enviroment with my mouse |
| [18:29:39] | Ribs: | as in, the screen is bigger than the resoultion I've set |
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| [18:30:19] | kormoc: | check the logs |
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| [18:30:35] | evilDagmar: | You aint running in 1280x720 |
| [18:30:46] | Ribs: | I should be |
| [18:30:51] | evilDagmar: | You're not. |
| [18:30:53] | evilDagmar: | Check your logs. |
| [18:31:28] | Ribs: | (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes: |
| [18:31:28] | Ribs: | (II) NVIDIA(0): "1280x720_75" |
| [18:31:29] | Ribs: | (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1280 x 960 |
| [18:31:29] | Ribs: | (++) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (100, 100); computed from -dpi X commandline option |
| [18:31:36] | evilDagmar: | Thou shalt not pasteflood. |
| [18:31:47] | ** Ribs didn't think four lines was a flood ** | |
| [18:32:18] | evilDagmar: | If no one asked for it, and no one cares... |
| [18:32:39] | evilDagmar: | Read the *whole* log |
| [18:32:45] | Ribs: | Well, I'm trying to debug this, I'm guessing that was relevant |
| [18:32:51] | Ribs: | There is no need to insult me |
| [18:32:52] | kormoc: | Ribs, you need to set a mode line for that resolution |
| [18:33:04] | Ribs: | kormoc, I do have a modline |
| [18:33:15] | Ribs: | it's the only way this fussy monitor works :) |
| [18:33:17] | kormoc: | ooh, hrm |
| [18:33:18] | evilDagmar: | The part were it's saying "1280 x 960" is relevant, but it doesn't need to be flooded to the channel man |
| [18:33:26] | Ribs: | (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1280x720_75" |
| [18:33:30] | kormoc: | <Ribs> (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1280 x 960 |
| [18:33:38] | Ribs: | I think that's proof I am running at 1280x720... |
| [18:33:51] | evilDagmar: | I think that's proof you can't read. :/ |
| [18:33:54] | Ribs: | evilDagmar, fair enough, and I apologise. But there is still no need to insult me |
| [18:34:02] | evilDagmar: | 960 != 720 |
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| [18:34:05] | kormoc: | actually not, you could have called it 1600x9800_20000000 |
| [18:34:11] | kormoc: | it's just a identifier :P |
| [18:34:22] | Ribs: | kormoc, indeed |
| [18:34:31] | Ribs: | but I'm fairly confident my modeline is correct |
| [18:34:46] | evilDagmar: | Ribs: Stop being so damn defensive and listen to what I'm saying. Slow down, absorb *all* the information you're seeing in the logs, and you will spot the pieces that don't fit |
| [18:34:48] | Ribs: | as the monitor is displaying less of the backdrop now |
| [18:34:50] | Juski: | Ribs: I use 720x576 for widescreen PAL |
| [18:35:03] | Juski: | through a TV out it's the only way AFAIK |
| [18:35:30] | Ribs: | evilDagmar, I am listening. I'm seeing that the monitor is running at 1280x720, but the virtual screen is bigger than this |
| [18:35:43] | Ribs: | I want the virtual screen to be the same size as what the monitor can display |
| [18:35:49] | Juski: | 16:9 themes scale properly (displaysize is set to 400 225) |
| [18:36:08] | Juski: | oh tv on a monitor. yuk |
| [18:36:36] | evilDagmar: | Ribs: Well, look in your Display section at the 24bpp stanza. You should have *only* the mode you want used listed there |
| [18:36:54] | Ribs: | Juski, no, monitor on a TV :> |
| [18:36:59] | Ribs: | This TV has a VGA input |
| [18:37:11] | Ribs: | evilDagmar, ah, that might be it |
| [18:37:51] | Ribs: | ahh, and removing the other modes has indeed fixed it |
| [18:37:52] | Ribs: | cheers. |
| [18:37:57] | evilDagmar: | Ribs: See... _all_ the pieces. If ya find one that looks odd and stop, it'll just leave you open to chasing red herrings |
| [18:38:11] | Ribs: | evilDagmar, yeah, I'm not too experienced with this |
| [18:38:14] | kormoc: | Mmm... Red Herrings... |
| [18:38:16] | Ribs: | hence I'm asking for help |
| [18:38:17] | evilDagmar: | You'll get there. |
| [18:38:23] | Ribs: | The whole X.org log looks like crap to me |
| [18:38:29] | Ribs: | so spotting something unusual isn't too easy |
| [18:38:33] | evilDagmar: | *snicker* it could be much worse |
| [18:38:38] | Juski: | there's every need for insults... this is IRC after all :-P |
| [18:38:46] | Ribs: | Juski, ass |
| [18:38:49] | evilDagmar: | lol |
| [18:39:14] | evilDagmar: | Most people tend to confuse me telling them they *can* do it as if I were telling them they can't |
| [18:39:27] | Ribs: | <evilDagmar> I think that's proof you can't read. :/ |
| [18:39:32] | Ribs: | but there isn't much need for that |
| [18:39:32] | evilDagmar: | Yep. |
| [18:39:38] | Juski: | I want to kick off at whoever is calling mythtv programs different names to the 'official' ones in their packages |
| [18:39:38] | Ribs: | I obviously can read |
| [18:39:45] | evilDagmar: | You gotta read *all* the stuff. The 960 was kinda staring you in the face, and there had to be more |
| [18:39:46] | Ribs: | I just have no clue what I'm looking for |
| [18:40:06] | evilDagmar: | Juski: not I |
| [18:40:24] | evilDagmar: | Imma fix d3ity's little red wagon this weekend |
| [18:40:29] | Ribs: | hrm |
| [18:40:37] | Ribs: | MythTV really hates this machine, heh |
| [18:40:43] | offset: | anyone know how to fix the occasional offseted frame on a wintv pvr 250? |
| [18:40:48] | Juski: | if they want to call programs different things they should fork stuff IMHO or else leave well alone. just breeds confusion otherwise |
| [18:41:19] | evilDagmar: | I'm cloning my config into Slamd64 as soon as a 11.0 ISO shows up and I'll fix that Qt package so it works with 64-bit, or I'll go and fix the damn compiler so it can't screw up anymore |
| [18:41:42] | kormoc: | fix the compiler and help everyone! |
| [18:41:59] | evilDagmar: | kromoc: Well, it's just kinda broken right now |
| [18:42:32] | evilDagmar: | I admire that they're wanting to have 32-bit compaibility, but afaik the compiler and linker should be able to handle that without everything having to be patched and prodded and shoehorned into looking in /usr/lib64 |
| [18:42:57] | evilDagmar: | I've seen the docs on making the linker go that extra mile, I just gotta find my notes on it |
| [18:43:50] | evilDagmar: | ...which is going to be fun since my desk is clean and all my scribbled notes are in various boxes. |
| [18:44:06] | evilDagmar: | I desperately need to go back to writing exclusively in spiral notebooks like a good scientist. |
| [18:44:53] | opello: | easiest zap2it extend your subscription time yet, 'just click submit' it said :) |
| [18:45:23] | evilDagmar: | opello: I noticed that myself |
| [18:45:32] | opello: | i was quite happy |
| [18:45:36] | opello: | no silly survey :) |
| [18:45:37] | evilDagmar: | I figured they'd have some new survey questions at least |
| [18:45:55] | opello: | heh |
| [18:46:11] | evilDagmar: | I'm *grateful* they have that service. If I could I'd code up a module for Myth so we could just take the survey with our remotes |
| [18:46:26] | opello: | yeah, definitely |
| [18:46:39] | opello: | maybe a bookmark for mythweb? |
| [18:47:08] | Juski: | for something you need to do what... every 6 months? |
| [18:47:14] | opello: | 3 now |
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| [18:47:47] | Ribs: | Juski, is it just me, or is BBC1 being shit? |
| [18:47:54] | Juski: | Ribs: meaning? |
| [18:48:01] | Ribs: | the sound is really patchy |
| [18:48:16] | Juski: | I don't watch Eastenders so I wouldn't know |
| [18:48:29] | Ribs: | neither do I normally |
| [18:48:40] | Ribs: | These are the lengths I'm going to to test this thing! |
| [18:48:44] | Juski: | I hope it's not the audio description track fucking things up again... |
| [18:50:52] | Ribs: | It might be due to me changing resoultion |
| [18:50:56] | Ribs: | this machine really struggles |
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| [18:52:54] | Juski: | oh bloody hell. Steve Irwin 'joke' emails have started coming to my inbox. tasteless bastards |
| [18:53:48] | evilDagmar: | Could be worse |
| [18:53:57] | evilDagmar: | I'm seeing forum posts starting off "Steve Irwin rolls a 1!" |
| [18:54:09] | opello: | that is worse |
| [18:55:13] | kormoc: | just wait till the video of him gets leaked out to the world |
| [18:56:02] | Juski: | well we were 'lucky' enough to get to see beheading videos, so obviously taste knows no bounds |
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| [18:58:32] | Ribs: | hrm |
| [18:58:37] | Ribs: | and now sound is fine |
| [18:58:49] | Ribs: | maybe this box has good taste and only screws up Eastenders |
| [18:58:51] | Ribs: | :> |
| [18:59:25] | Juski: | heh one can only hope |
| [18:59:38] | Ribs: | ah, Steve Irwin always told the camera people to always film |
| [18:59:45] | Ribs: | even if he was getting into trouble |
| [18:59:46] | Ribs: | *shrug* |
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| [19:05:06] | Ribs: | Juski, okay, what about casualty now? |
| [19:05:23] | Ribs: | is it okay on your system? |
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| [19:06:17] | Ribs: | it's in slow motion here. yet other channels are fine |
| [19:06:19] | Ribs: | very odd |
| [19:07:03] | Juski: | Ribs: I don't watch livetv. infact I'm gonna go watch some 4400 soon |
| [19:07:21] | Ribs: | hrm |
| [19:07:26] | Juski: | Ribs: you running 0.19 ? |
| [19:07:43] | Ribs: | yes |
| [19:07:45] | Ribs: | known problem? |
| [19:07:55] | Ribs: | svn's backend kept crashing |
| [19:08:06] | Juski: | I suspect EIT data collection by mythbackend is causing excessive CPU usage |
| [19:08:21] | Ribs: | ahhh yes |
| [19:08:27] | Ribs: | I think that's the only channel I have EIT enabled on |
| [19:08:50] | Ribs: | I guess I should stop being such a lazy bastard and set this up properly |
| [19:08:59] | Juski: | there's no workaround other than to try a patch from trac for that (which improves it a lot but doesn't cure it)... either that or use xmltv |
| [19:09:16] | Ribs: | xmltv is such a pita to set up |
| [19:09:22] | Ribs: | "want this channel?" x100 |
| [19:09:34] | Juski: | you only need set that up once |
| [19:09:47] | kormoc: | Ribs, so pipe yes into it? |
| [19:09:49] | Juski: | anyway I'm working on that.. think enter your postcode... |
| [19:10:17] | Juski: | kormoc: if you say 'yes' to all, then you end up with loads of useless channels being inserted every time mythfilldb runs |
| [19:10:19] | Ribs: | kormoc, could do... but then it'll take about three years to proccess the data :) |
| [19:10:27] | kormoc: | heh, fair nuff |
| [19:11:05] | Ribs: | and you have to put the xmltv id into each channel as well |
| [19:11:10] | Ribs: | that takes a fair old while |
| [19:12:30] | Juski: | http://pastebin.ca/161729 |
| [19:12:37] | Juski: | my xmltv lineup for Freeview there |
| [19:12:50] | Ribs: | oh cool |
| [19:12:51] | Ribs: | thanks :) |
| [19:13:12] | Ribs: | hrm |
| [19:13:15] | Juski: | note about ABC1 though... don't use xmltv for that on freeview – it's on air for longer on cable & satellite |
| [19:13:23] | Ribs: | we get more channels than that don't we? |
| [19:13:44] | Juski: | no more worth watching though |
| [19:14:02] | Ribs: | haha |
| [19:14:03] | Ribs: | good call :> |
| [19:14:09] | Juski: | I have a complete one for freeview somewhere |
| [19:14:30] | Juski: | you used to have to type the names out, but now they made it 'easier' but a PITA |
| [19:14:51] | Juski: | my helper will go a long way to alleviate that ;-) |
| [19:15:09] | Juski: | postcode, provider name, package name... then ta-da.. ! |
| [19:15:35] | Ribs: | sexeh |
| [19:16:01] | Juski: | work resumes on that soonish |
| [19:16:29] | Juski: | NTL are changing their channel lineups next week I think, and I'm starting on that lot first |
| [19:16:47] | Juski: | already got the scripts to resolve itv & bbc regions from postcodes |
| [19:17:49] | Juski: | see I'm not just a yeller of "RTFM noob!" |
| [19:18:14] | ** Juski goes to watch some 4400 ** | |
| [19:18:50] | Ribs: | Juski, Thanks for the help again :) |
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| [19:29:18] | jimstandard: | is anyone running mythtv with the hauppauge pvr 500 mce? |
| [19:29:42] | RaYmAn-Bx: | yep |
| [19:29:54] | jimstandard: | would you reccomend it? |
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| [19:35:57] | opello: | heh, i would, if he were still here |
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| [19:49:55] | Ribs: | nooooo |
| [19:50:06] | Ribs: | HD just died in spectacular fashion |
| [19:50:13] | ** Ribs thinks this system is cursed ** | |
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| [20:03:23] | Zider: | Ribs: explosion? |
| [20:03:35] | Ribs: | just loud noises |
| [20:03:45] | Ribs: | so not that spectacular, I guess |
| [20:08:49] | robbins876: | what's the benefit of going to ALSA instead of OSS for my sound drivers? |
| [20:09:26] | kormoc: | robbins876, alsa-project.org covers that |
| [20:09:39] | robbins876: | alright |
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| [20:10:41] | robbins876: | i'm just using my onboard sound card |
| [20:10:49] | robbins876: | would i have better luck if i installed my soundblaster? |
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| [20:12:09] | kormoc: | look up the features each card has in the card list and see |
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| [20:26:30] | grevees: | can anyone help me adjust the desktop so it actually fits my television screen |
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| [20:26:40] | grevees: | its skewed to the upper right |
| [20:27:19] | grevees: | and in the display properties, by moving it with the arrows (either enlarge or shrink) does nothing |
| [20:27:47] | grevees: | nor does the "move" arrows (moving it either up or down) |
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| [20:32:37] | DrMitch: | anyone use knoppmyth? Mine doesn't seem to like running anything Alsa... when I do alsactl store, the program stalls, so it doesn't shutdown and stuff |
| [20:33:07] | evilDagmar: | Rebuild the kernel. |
| [20:34:41] | DrMitch: | that'll most likely do it? or is that just a guess? |
| [20:35:02] | DrMitch: | df |
| [20:35:07] | evilDagmar: | No, that would be the first step towards fixing an ALSA problem... upgrading to the latest kernel. |
| [20:35:15] | evilDagmar: | You should also be asking in #KnoppMyth |
| [20:35:18] | evilDagmar: | It's their bugs. |
| [20:35:30] | kormoc: | /dev/hda1 38340960 38340960 0 100% / |
| [20:35:37] | evilDagmar: | If anything, your problem may help them batten the thing down so it can't happen again |
| [20:35:49] | evilDagmar: | kormoc: Naughty naughty |
| [20:35:50] | grevees: | anyone?? |
| [20:35:53] | evilDagmar: | Has the box crashed yet? |
| [20:36:10] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, heh, couldn't resist |
| [20:36:29] | evilDagmar: | Mine always seem to crash for reasons I can't even figure out when / gets full |
| [20:36:36] | evilDagmar: | ...even when /var and /tmp are their own partitions. |
| [20:37:07] | kormoc: | I've noticed that too |
| [20:37:17] | evilDagmar: | I hate to promote rubber chicken shaking, but i've just learned to avoid / filling at all costs. |
| [20:37:18] | kormoc: | and I keep thinking it has to do with /dev and /sys to be honest |
| [20:37:43] | grevees: | >( |
| [20:37:44] | evilDagmar: | Yeah, I'd like to think that, but those shouldn't be affected by something like that, afaik |
| [20:38:22] | kormoc: | yeah, my impression is it has something to do with the inode changes, but I can't nail down a real solid reason why that would be |
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| [20:42:52] | stuarta: | how far away is 9pm EST? |
| [20:43:27] | kormoc: | considering it's 4:45 EST, not too far |
| [20:43:56] | stuarta: | i didn't know the current EST :) |
| [20:43:58] | evilDagmar: | About 450 "Are we there, yets" |
| [20:44:11] | kormoc: | it's not hard to find out tho :P |
| [20:44:24] | kormoc: | http://time.org is quite simple to remember :P |
| [20:44:39] | evilDagmar: | Lazy, but sometimes effective is /ctcp #channelname TIME |
| [20:44:55] | kormoc: | and floody too |
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| [20:47:06] | bongalo: | im looking for advise for a tv capture card for my redhat fc4 amd athlon64+ 3000 server. |
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| [20:48:16] | kormoc: | bongalo, standard cable? pvr 150/500 hands down |
| [20:48:37] | bongalo: | cablevision, non digital, 1 thru 80 channels |
| [20:48:39] | sigger: | is there a good HD card? |
| [20:48:59] | kormoc: | bongalo, then aye, pvr 150/500 |
| [20:50:00] | bongalo: | thanks |
| [20:50:04] | bongalo: | looking it up now |
| [20:53:16] | bongalo: | hauppauge, win-tv-pvr-150, is real nice. I do have the ability to use the digital output from the SA8300hd so I might concider the 500 too. great. |
| [20:53:19] | bongalo: | thanks for the help |
| [20:58:33] | robbins876: | i also have the pvr150 |
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| [21:11:23] | robbins876: | what's the xgl thing for fedora? |
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| [21:15:43] | riddlebox: | hello, is a 800mhz machine with a pvr500 ok to run mythtv on? I also would like to view and burn dvds on the system |
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| [21:19:28] | jammyd: | Anyone know what "TV Error: Couldn't find recorder for in-progress recording" is indicative of? |
| [21:19:59] | jammyd: | I'm trying to watch a show that was recorded the other that, and I'm getting that (amongst a few other errors, though this is the first) from the mythfrontend |
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| [21:22:56] | Ribs: | riddlebox, the pvr500 will help a lot |
| [21:23:15] | Ribs: | riddlebox, if you can, get something to decode the stream as well |
| [21:23:22] | Ribs: | nvidia cards have that... |
| [21:23:45] | Ribs: | riddlebox, my Duron 650 really struggles, even with help from the nvidia |
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| [21:26:02] | ** Ribs ponders if it's possible to get mythtv to stream Internet radio ** | |
| [21:26:13] | Ribs: | that would be uber-cool |
| [21:26:28] | Ribs: | maybe it could be done with mythbrowser, plugins and custom web pages |
| [21:27:47] | grevees: | hmm, anyone around to help with a modeline change? |
| [21:28:50] | riddlebox: | Ribs, hrmm maybe I will just order the 1.2 gig system then |
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| [21:29:01] | Ribs: | riddlebox, nah, just try it at first |
| [21:29:09] | Ribs: | then upgrade if it sucks :> |
| [21:29:17] | Ribs: | grevees, 'sup? |
| [21:29:30] | riddlebox: | Ribs, well the system I want to use has the 800mhz soldered on |
| [21:29:38] | Ribs: | aye |
| [21:29:46] | Ribs: | but, like, try it in the 800mhz system |
| [21:29:57] | Ribs: | I use DVB-T, which needs more CPU cycles in some cases |
| [21:30:13] | Ribs: | especially when getting guide information over the air |
| [21:30:29] | Ribs: | if it sucks, then order the new one |
| [21:30:40] | Ribs: | if it doesn't suck, you've saved yourself some money :) |
| [21:30:43] | riddlebox: | yeah well I dont have either yet |
| [21:30:49] | riddlebox: | I have to order both |
| [21:30:51] | Ribs: | ah |
| [21:30:54] | Ribs: | Mini-ITX? |
| [21:30:58] | riddlebox: | yup |
| [21:31:08] | Ribs: | I had a 1.2 system for MythTV for a while |
| [21:31:10] | riddlebox: | the system is about the size of a dvd player |
| [21:31:16] | Ribs: | Was a damned nightmare |
| [21:31:26] | riddlebox: | whys that? |
| [21:31:27] | grevees: | anyone? |
| [21:31:35] | Ribs: | stuff kept breaking, and software support was awfull for the graphics chipset |
| [21:31:42] | Ribs: | software has improved a lot since then, however |
| [21:31:50] | Ribs: | but the 1.2ghz CPU is under-powered |
| [21:32:09] | riddlebox: | under powered, why, when I have the pvr-500? |
| [21:32:16] | Ribs: | I had a 350 |
| [21:32:32] | Ribs: | It'll struggle to transcode, etc. |
| [21:32:36] | Ribs: | or encode DVDs |
| [21:32:45] | Ribs: | encoding DVDs on that system will be very slow |
| [21:32:46] | GreyFoxx: | assuming those are things you do |
| [21:32:50] | riddlebox: | really |
| [21:33:04] | Ribs: | GreyFoxx, he said he wants to 'make DVDs' |
| [21:33:11] | Ribs: | riddlebox, yes |
| [21:33:11] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh ok, I missed that |
| [21:33:20] | riddlebox: | well I had a 2.4 gig system but that was so loud |
| [21:33:23] | Ribs: | riddlebox, to encode video is a major undertaking |
| [21:33:36] | Ribs: | takes a while, even on modern hardware |
| [21:33:48] | ** GreyFoxx has several 733mhz frontends and is quite happy. But I don't rip dvds or transcode anything on them ** | |
| [21:33:53] | Ribs: | Can you not silence the 2.6ghz system? |
| [21:33:58] | riddlebox: | it took me around 1.5 hours to burn a dvd on that |
| [21:34:28] | riddlebox: | Ribs, it was a AMD athlon XP which from what I can understand there was nothing I could do, plus the motherboard shot crap |
| [21:34:49] | Ribs: | I'm building a Athlon XP system for MythTV |
| [21:35:12] | Ribs: | gonna put in a silent CPU cooler, gfx card has no fan... and going to make the HD fairly quiet too |
| [21:36:15] | riddlebox: | the computer store close to me said that socket A boards are not even carried anymore? |
| [21:36:38] | Ribs: | eBay :) |
| [21:36:48] | kormoc: | riddlebox, lots of places still carry them |
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| [21:37:06] | Ribs: | you don't always have to have the latest and greatest kit |
| [21:37:14] | Ribs: | especially where mythtv is concerned |
| [21:37:14] | riddlebox: | yeah, but if they are so loud, whats the point, unless I make it the backend and have a frontend |
| [21:37:21] | Ribs: | riddlebox, if... |
| [21:37:26] | Ribs: | the system is what you make it |
| [21:37:42] | Ribs: | The 1.2ghz mini-itx system wasn't exactly quiet when I got it... |
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| [21:39:09] | riddlebox: | so the 1.2 wasnt that quiet? |
| [21:39:52] | kormoc: | riddlebox, you do know that your experences may, and will be different, right? |
| [21:40:06] | riddlebox: | yeah |
| [21:40:46] | riddlebox: | the main thing is if I want to burn a dvd from a show I record, I can always copy it to my other 2.6 machine that I have |
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| [21:50:36] | jefffo: | can someone point me in the right direction with a problem I'm having? I have everything up and running, but my PVR-150 is just tuning into static.it dosen't appear to change channels either, even though mythtv says it is |
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| [21:56:28] | moreat1: | jefffo: I'm not certain if this is relevant, I have an old bt848 based WinTV card. Unless I get the right tuner parameters to to the bttv/tuner module, I have similar behaviour. |
| [21:57:26] | moreat1: | (That is when I use it to watch television with xawtv, I don't use it for MythTV) |
| [21:57:36] | Ribs: | jefffo, check the tutorial you are following... Are you compiling directly into the kernel, or compiling modules? |
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| [21:57:52] | Ribs: | I remember thinking I was clever by compiling into the kernel, when I really needed to compile as modules |
| [21:58:09] | ** Ribs goes to bed now... good luck ** | |
| [21:59:18] | jefffo: | I'm pretty sure I have the module situation sorted out. The card is recognized, and collects static. |
| [22:01:15] | jefffo: | if I connect it to cable(as oppsoed to brodcast), I can see some sort of picture, and I get sound. it's very fuzzy, and the channel and sound are the same regardless of the channel it's tuned to |
| [22:04:16] | ** jammyd 's frontend is skipping like hell and I can't work out why ** | |
| [22:04:50] | moreat1: | It sounds as though the capture is working, but the tuner is not being correctly controlled. All I can suggest is reviewing the documentation for your TV card driver, and checking the module parameters. |
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| [22:06:30] | jefffo: | moreeat1: thanks. I hace done due diligance though. I've looked through everything I could think of, and I'm just not making a dent. |
| [22:07:14] | jefffo: | I've recomplied, I've re-installed, changed modules, tried it with knoppmyth, nothing works. it's the strangest thing |
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| [22:07:49] | thesimpsons: | hey |
| [22:08:01] | thesimpsons: | does wintv go plus work with mythtv |
| [22:08:11] | moreat1: | jefffo: sorry I can't be of more help. |
| [22:08:41] | jefffo: | no problem. thanks for trying |
| [22:09:25] | jefffo: | it's a fairly comon card. I'm suprized I can't find more documentaion of it |
| [22:11:18] | thesimpsons: | anybody |
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| [22:12:17] | moreat1: | thesimpsons: these people apparently got it working: "In our case, we are using the Hauppauge WinTV GO-Plus capture card. There are specific card and tunner settings that need to be applied for this card to work correctly." |
| [22:12:27] | moreat1: | http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:vPDF_qA0 . . . nk&cd=12 |
| [22:12:30] | Juski: | thesimpsons: does the card work in linux, more like.... |
| [22:13:20] | thesimpsons: | no clue |
| [22:13:28] | thesimpsons: | i wnat to try linux now im going to delete my hd |
| [22:13:47] | thesimpsons: | knoppmyth, minimyth or MythDora. which one is the best and fastest |
| [22:14:33] | Juski: | minimyth is just for a frontend, which you'd know if you read the docs about it |
| [22:14:49] | Juski: | never tried mythdora but lots of people use knoppmyth |
| [22:15:26] | Juski: | if you want quick, easy & hassle free install with minimum effort, don't pick mythtv |
| [22:15:38] | psofa: | you bet :P |
| [22:16:35] | thesimpsons: | why not |
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| [22:16:59] | Juski: | have you read anything about mythtv yet? |
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| [22:17:20] | Juski: | spend some time reading through some howto guides & the documentation |
| [22:18:03] | Juski: | chances are if you just blunder into it, even using knoppmyth – without knowing what you're doing you might very well fail |
| [22:18:33] | Leebier: | hey, I have been out of my home country (and thus away from my mythbox) for a year now. I see there have been some upgrades to the software in that time. The box works (more or less) right now just fine under version, uh, whatever was out a year ago (i'd just recently upgraded then). Is it worth trying to upgrade everything now to the latest or should i just stick with what works? |
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| [22:18:46] | Juski: | !seen laga |
| [22:18:46] | MythLogBot: | laga was last seen 1 day 2 hours 31 minutes ago |
| [22:18:51] | thesimpsons: | but will knopmyth work |
| [22:19:05] | Juski: | if you push the right buttons, yes in all probability |
| [22:19:48] | thesimpsons: | will i have to configure my card' |
| [22:20:35] | thesimpsons: | or will it work straight |
| [22:21:11] | Juski: | as far as I know knoppnyth will pretty much guide you through the install process with menus & stuff |
| [22:22:22] | Leebier: | has something changed with datadirect in the last year? |
| [22:22:33] | Leebier: | i'm having trouble pulling down the channels, much less the listings? |
| [22:22:37] | Leebier: | (err, no ? there) |
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| [22:23:14] | dansmith: | so, I want to buy an HDTV card |
| [22:23:29] | dansmith: | I was going to get a pcHD 5500, because it seems linux-friendly and common |
| [22:23:30] | kormoc: | so, I want a flying monkey of doom |
| [22:23:43] | moreat1: | Q: The WinTV Nova-T 500 is a PCI dual DVB-T tuner, according to wikipedia it's basically a pair of Nova-T USB 2 modules + a USB bridge chip. The wiki states the Nova-T USB 2 works in 0.19.1 does anyone know of the Nova-T 500 working with MythTV? |
| [22:23:44] | dansmith: | but a friend had a bad experience with some interference from a power supply |
| [22:23:57] | thesimpsons: | whats the latest version |
| [22:24:02] | kormoc: | 0.19 |
| [22:24:05] | kormoc: | there is no 0.19.1 |
| [22:24:20] | kormoc: | dansmith, so buy a good power supply and you won't have interference issues |
| [22:24:28] | kormoc: | dansmith, I recommend a pc power and cooling power supply |
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| [22:24:55] | dansmith: | so do you recommend I get a pcHD card. assuming I have a good power supply to go with it? :) |
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| [22:25:11] | Juski: | moreat1: no linux drivers for that yet AFAIK |
| [22:25:19] | kormoc: | http://linuxtv.org/ has the info on linux support on dvb cards |
| [22:26:02] | dansmith: | yea, been there |
| [22:26:10] | Juski: | the v4l dvb mailing list will have more up to date info than the wiki right now no doubt. From what I've seen there's not yet any support for the nova-t 500 in linux |
| [22:26:26] | dansmith: | I haven't really seen much info about "this card is a pain, this card is good" |
| [22:26:30] | Juski: | but as they always say.. someone will get it going eventually |
| [22:26:40] | dansmith: | aside from the fact that lots of people seem to have the pcHD card |
| [22:28:44] | moreat1: | Juski: thankyou, I'll keep an eye on v4l dvb, one would assume it will be straight forward. There's already a driver for the nova-t usb 2, and the pci-usb bridge is nothing special so fingers crossed :) |
| [22:30:14] | moreat1: | There's always the Terratec Cinergy 2400i, but the Nova-T 500 is half height, which would be nice. |
| [22:31:05] | Juski: | it might even be trivial to get working – apparently the USB bridge is only some Via thing which could easily have modules made for.... |
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| [22:31:39] | moreat1: | Juski: my hope precisely |
| [22:33:22] | Juski: | .. I mean it'd be unlikely linux drivers for the bridge didn't already exist |
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| [22:33:59] | janneg: | moreat1: no linux drivers for the Terratec Cinergy 2400i yet, but I heard that something should released at the IFA |
| [22:34:17] | janneg: | which ends tomorrow |
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| [22:40:38] | moreat1: | janneg: oh, thankyou. I must have got that mixed up in my head. I'll look out for the news. |
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| [22:53:22] | moreat1: | for the log/google, it would appear as of 5th Sept this is the latest status on the Nova-T 500: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /012284.html |
| [22:54:50] | Juski: | ahh cleanup & commit... heh |
| [22:54:55] | swiss: | just intalled mytv, trying to set up SQL database on SUSE 10 gettting the following error 'bash: /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql: No such file or directory'. I have checked and this is indeed the case. I know next to nothing about SQL and I dont know whether mythtv should have created the file or mySQL |
| [22:56:40] | moreat1: | good night all, thanks again |
| [22:56:55] | Anduin: | swiss: It is a file distributed with MythTV |
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| [22:57:59] | swiss: | rite thnx |
| [22:58:11] | janneg: | swiss: use this file http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/database/mc.sql |
| [22:59:23] | janneg: | there is a download link at the bottom of the page |
| [22:59:29] | Anduin: | Probably better to find why it is missing and correct any path assumptions and other install issues, though it could just be a packaging issue. |
| [22:59:57] | swiss: | yeah im gonna find whihc package it should have come with and see what else is missing |
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| [23:12:51] | swiss: | thnx got to the menu screen, just got to get it to find my prehistoric tv card |
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| [23:14:45] | Pryon: | (ivtv 0.7, win-tv-pvr 150MCE, kernel 2.6.17) Things seem to be working fine, but only a few stations seem to be detected as stereo? Does my cable company suck (more than I already know) or is it possibly a weak signal or something I can tweak? |
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| [23:42:30] | Kelerion: | evening all |
| [23:42:36] | Juski: | evening Kelerion |
| [23:42:48] | Kelerion: | quiet in here tonight |
| [23:42:51] | Juski: | or .. morning even |
| [23:43:04] | Kelerion: | well yeah :) |
| [23:43:09] | Juski: | yeah I like it when it's quiet.. all's well with the world & everybody's mythtv boxen are fine & dandy :) |
| [23:43:19] | Juski: | my head is a mess though |
| [23:43:28] | Kelerion: | too much whisky? |
| [23:43:59] | Juski: | erm... no, though JD might be a good idea right now |
| [23:44:07] | ** Kelerion chuckles ** | |
| [23:44:14] | Kelerion: | whats up? |
| [23:44:47] | Kelerion: | I tried to say that without sounding too american too btw.. lol |
| [23:46:10] | Juski: | lol |
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| [23:55:40] | SlicerDicer-: | xris: I got mythweb nailed down to about 6 seconds listing load |
| [23:55:48] | SlicerDicer-: | the SVN one |
| [23:57:23] | xris: | cool |
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