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Monday, September 4th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Anduin:

jonK: You should see a message from lirc_i2c saying it found the chip on the PVR 350 card, I don't know exactly when 0.8.1pre1 is, but you may want to try lirc from CVS.

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Anduin:

jonK: or try ivtv with the new_i2c stuff disabled

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trapecista:

hi

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Anduin:

jonK: sorry, ivtv param is newi2c no _

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trapecista:

anybody knows if mythTV video source can be IPTV? im interesting in building one box

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jonK:

you mean set a module param?

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jonK:

ls

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d3ity:

GreyFoxx, yes.

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d3ity:

GreyFoxx, same error, should I reconfigure and try again?

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Anduin:

jonK: Yeah, set an ivtv param, newi2c=0, reload ivtv and lirc

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d3ity:

or wait, GreyFoxx, what configure option should I use? -qt-sql-mysql or -plugin-sql-mysql

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d3ity:

or a combination of the two, as I am using now?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't think you can mix them

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GreyFoxx:

but personally I'm using -plugin-sql-mysql

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jonK:

damn modprobing 5 tuners takes while..

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d3ity:

5 tuners?

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d3ity:

what the hell could you need to watch on 5 diffrent channels at the same time?

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jonK:

what couldn't i watch with 5 different channels

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Anduin:

six would be bad, five is understandable

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d3ity:

jonK, point taken.

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jonK:

spice 1, spice 2, spansih spcie...

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d3ity:

Anduin, thats what they said about the triple bladed razor.

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jonK:

well, lircd no longer shits the bed when i try and run irw,

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jonK:

but I'll have to wait until i go home later to see if the remote actually works

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d3ity:

I'm just gonna say, I'm gonna enjoy having a remote

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scopeuk:

when does it do it now ;-)

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Anduin:

jonK: Did lirc_i2c find it? (should be an extra line in dmesg)

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jonK:

seems to be:

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jonK:

lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 10

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jonK:

is a line i don't remember seeing last time

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jonK:

but it's actually a differnt set of messages altogether

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Anduin:

jonK: Yeah, there should be another, but that is good enough (CVS lirc should have worked for you)

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jonK:

i was doing the i2cnew=0 bit

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Anduin:

jonK: Yeah, I understand, just saying it is already fixed.

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jonK:

i tried to get cvs lirc from lirc.org — it says to just use an anonymous login

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jonK:

but then it won't let me in

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jonK:

where do i put the module paramter?

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Anduin:

jonK: You still have to pretend to login, just hit enter

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jonK:

never mind...

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jonK:

i did hit enter

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Anduin:

jonK: depends, /etc/modprobe.conf if you don't already have a better place.

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jonK:

in /etc/modules

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jonK:

but i knew that

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jonK:

and it did log me in — too used to svn co

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jonK:

i was watiing for files to start coming

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Anduin:

ah, yeah, extra step

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mchou:

lol, best buy over here squeezed a compusa out of business

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mchou:

how the hell is that even possible. Nothing can be worse than best buy

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sigger_:

mchou: RadioShack

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jonK:

and lirc cvs appears to be broken — the "setup.sh" file refrences ./setup-driver.sh which does not exist

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jonK:

and until you've bought a matress you have not truly hit bottomn

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mchou:

sigger_: radio shack is way better than best buy. at least ppl @ratshack understand electronics

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mchou:

jonK: I buy my mattresses for Costco

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mchou:

from*

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jonK:

you say that like you go through them frequently

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mchou:

no haggling, no bait and switch

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sigger_:

mchou: you're actually right re some sales folks. but even McGuyver would have a hard time doing something useful with their stuf

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jonK:

i take it back, lirc from cvs requires you to run a "autogen.sh" script

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mchou:

sigger_: bah. I dont go to radio shack often but it is good for emergencies. If I was caught in "middle america" I'd rather go to rat shack

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jonK:

i'd not run across that in building packages from scratch before

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mchou:

sigger_: but since I live in Silicon Valley I just go to electronics surplus stores.

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evilDagmar:

jonK: That's because you're not pulling sources from CVS very often.

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jonK:

fair enough...

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mchou:

sigger_: better selection, lower price

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jonK:

i did years ago.. then stopped writing code

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jonK:

for living

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sigger_:

yep, you're well situated mchou

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mchou:

sigger_: but if there were no surplus stores around rat shack would come in handy

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jonK:

now it can't find "Makefile.in"

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jonK:

./configure.sh

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sigger_:

can't say I've never used it, but its emergency only for me

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jonK:

what kind of emergencies crop up that make you think, "damn i better haul ass to the radio shack"

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scopeuk:

every where else blows up

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mchou:

jonK: blown capacitors

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jonK:

I'm going to go ride my new bike home and see if irw works now...

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mchou:

jonK: happens more often than you think

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jonK:

could makefile.in just have been misnamed makefile.am?

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jonK:

vi INSTALL

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sigger_:

small net switch at work failing

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sigger_:

net card too.

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evilDagmar:

jonK: Fuses blowing. Small appliances having their switches fall off.

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mchou:

my dog chewed thru my TV power cable once. Rat shack to the rescue

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evilDagmar:

jonK: ...and heavy drinking binges.

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jonK:

the others made sense, but I'd like to hear more about the last one

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jonK:

and someone help me with makefilel.in?

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evilDagmar:

WElcome to dealing with autotools, BTW

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jonK:

i'm going to go drinking soon...

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evilDagmar:

It's automake that converts those files. Makefile.am was *not* misnamed.

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jonK:

ride my new bike around with beers in the bottle holders

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jonK:

so feed makefile.am to automake?

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mchou:

jonK: is this a motorcycle or a self propeled bike

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jonK:

self propelled

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mchou:

jonK: what kind you get?

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jonK:

bought a new mountainbike for communting to my office

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WAR_CH|LD:

hello and good morning, has anyone successfully install the new mytharchive plugin? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArchive

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jonK:

gary fisher cobia

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mchou:

jonK: heh, not bad

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jonK:

after going over the handlebars of my road bike a few weeks back

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mchou:

jonK: how far is the commute?

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d3ity:

ugh

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jonK:

I decided i needed something more streetworthy

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d3ity:

why won't this compile

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d3ity:

I hate qt

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evilDagmar:

I'm sure the inertial dampeners on the mountain bike will help

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mchou:

jonK: what happened, you crashed with road bike?

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jonK:

it was .25 mile, but i bought a house a couple weeks ago and now its 2–3 miles

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: You can't compile Qt?

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jonK:

got front tire caught in a road crack

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jonK:

went over bars, landed on shoulder, cracking rib

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mchou:

jonK: ouch

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, nope, it just refuses to compile the mysql plugins

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mchou:

jonK: werent you paying attention?

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: Do ya have mysql installed? (I know, silly question)

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jonK:

evilDagmar: actaully i'm really counting on the flux capacitor

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, yep

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d3ity:

it's even running

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jonK:

unless it blows out, in which case, i guess i should haull ass to radio shack

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mchou:

jonK: I mean how can you slip in crack just like that?

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: 4.1.x? I've not even tried with 5 yet because there's been "issues" with it

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d3ity:

jonK, what you looking for? I work there.

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jonK:

with the skinny road tires it's easier than you think

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, does 4.1.x work with myth?

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: Yep

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d3ity:

I'm still trying 3.3.6

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evilDagmar:

Ah

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, bastards lied to me then

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evilDagmar:

Oh, I mean MySQL 4.x

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mchou:

jonK: lol. I race road bikes and I've never fallen in a crack

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, oh, yeah I'm using 5

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evilDagmar:

So, how's it "not building" exactly? Is it giving an error message and giving up or what?

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mchou:

jonK: and I'm almost certain my tires are skinnier than yours were :)

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evilDagmar:

I have it all building here, so I'm sure it's gotta be something relatively simple

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, then help me out man...heh

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mchou:

jonK: I'm not saying it cant happen, but usually it only happens du to inattentive riding :)

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mchou:

due*

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jonK:

you mean like track race?

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jonK:

or crits

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mchou:

jonK: crits and road

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mchou:

jonK: I dont like crits very much actually

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: So tell me how exactly it's "not building".

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, the error will come up again in a moment

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evilDagmar:

OKay

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d3ity:

it can't find mysql.h

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mchou:

jonK: all the freds out there :)

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jonK:

i just needed something more appropriate for riding to work than the roadbike

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evilDagmar:

d31ty: That *should* exist in /usr/include/mysql. Does it?

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d3ity:

jonK, I just sold my streetbike two months ago

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Gumby:

I used to commute on my MTB but then started riding a road bike due to the fact that its a lot faster than the MTB

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d3ity:

it was either the bike or college tuition, one of them had to go.

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mchou:

jonK: the first thing I'd do on the mountain bike is use street slick tires :)

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jonK:

i've been debating that thought all afternoon

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mchou:

jonK: gumy is correct on that

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mchou:

Gumby*

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mchou:

jonK: where you live again?

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Gumby:

but to each their own

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Gumby:

heh

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jonK:

but the roadbike, I don't want to put a rack on it, I have the look pedals and dont want to wear the cleets to work

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jonK:

I live in houston

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mchou:

jonK: nah. ditch the looks for SPDs

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Gumby:

real road bikes dont have racks :)

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jonK:

hence my apprehension to obtaining one

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mchou:

that way you can eare shoes with cleats and walk too :)

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mchou:

wear*

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jonK:

ok... automake requires 1.5 i have 1.4-p6

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jonK:

jesus

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mchou:

jonK: I don't know how well the streets are paved in Houston. If there are cracks on the road, they probably arent well maintained

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jonK:

and if I put a rack on colnago I think a group of suited men from italy would pay me a visit

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mchou:

jonK: yup. True that

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Gumby:

speaking of road bikes, I need to put mine up for sale somewhere. Gotta save $$ for my trip to AU

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evilDagmar:

jonK: I predict at least two more nasty suprises like that

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jonK:

like when i suggested putting the 3rd chainring on my first roadbike

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** d3ity misses his Yamaha R6 **

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mchou:

Gumby: craigslist

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jonK:

and was asked if i wanted a pretty dress to go with it

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mchou:

jonK: lol

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evilDagmar:

lol

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Gumby:

mchou: pinkbike.com nsmb.com people that peruse craiglist are cheap usually. hehe

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mchou:

jonK: a compact chainring is probably better than a triple

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mchou:

I meant crant

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mchou:

crank*

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** d3ity continues building qt waiting for disaster **

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Gumby:

the smallest c-ring a double can take on a standard shimano road crank is 38

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jonK:

i've got a lovey set of FSA carbon cranks

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jonK:

jet black

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Gumby:

lol

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mchou:

FSA sucks

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Gumby:

they wouldnt be any other colour if they were carbon :)

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mchou:

chainrings are like butter

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jonK:

i like them, it's the only non-dura ace component in the drivetrain

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, ready?

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mchou:

you wont like them when chainrings wear out in about 2 months

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, In file included from sql/qsqldatabase.cpp:50:

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d3ity:

sql/drivers/mysql/qsql_mysql.h:49:19: mysql.h: No such file or directory

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jonK:

and have the carbon handlebars from fsa as well

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d3ity:

bash-3.1# locate mysql.h

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d3ity:

/home/d3ity/qt-embedded-free-3.3.6/src/sql/drivers/mysql/qsql_mysql.h

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d3ity:

/usr/include/mysql/mysql.h

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mchou:

jonK: you trying to sue FSA?

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jonK:

really like them — my hands had been going numb for years after 30 miles or so

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jonK:

the flat bars work great

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jonK:

not at this time mchou

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mchou:

carbon fiber handlebars are an incredibly BAD idea

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jonK:

and why is that?

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Gumby:

mchou: I disagree.

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d3ity:

jonK, CF gets slick when wet

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evilDagmar:

d31ty: Okay, perhaps we need to take a look at what's going on in the configure script then

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jonK:

i taped em

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mchou:

jonK: cause when they snap you end up with huge medical bills

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jonK:

i just wanted the flat shape

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d3ity:

mchou, ALSO true.

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Gumby:

mchou: people said that about aluminum bars when they came out also

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d3ity:

mchou, my buddy learned that on his CBR1000RR.

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d3ity:

carbon fiber body.... it hurts when you lay the thing down and shatter the carbon fiber

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Gumby:

aluminum fails just as bas as carbon does

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mchou:

Gumby: that WAS true with AL when they first came out

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d3ity:

Gumby, carbon fiber fragments. aluminum not so much

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mchou:

Gumby: BS

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evilDagmar:

d31ty: Wait a minute.... This is Slamd64 you say?

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, of course.

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Gumby:

mchou: well, considering I work in the industry and have plenty of first hand accounts....

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mchou:

Gumby: I used to work in the industry too

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mchou:

back when Al hbars first came out :)

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Gumby:

mchou: "used to"

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Gumby:

heh

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evilDagmar:

d31ty: Heh. You need a small patch. One sec and I'll put something up that will help

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, yay.

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jonK:

I admit prospect of frame crack scares pants off me

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mchou:

trust me, cabon fiber seatposts, stems, and handlebars are just accidents waiting to happen

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jonK:

i have 2/3 of those

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jonK:

woo hoo!

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mchou:

jonK: frame crack are never "sudden." handlebars snaps are :)

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mchou:

you get plenty of warning when your frame is about to fail

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Gumby:

well, in 15 years working at bike shops Ive seen just as many failures with alloy as I have with carbon fiber. 99% of the time either break are when they have been in an accident and not checked over for stress fractures

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mchou:

like creaks and whatnot

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evilDagmar:

d31ty: Grab http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/qtbuilddef.tar.bz2 That is the script and associated patches I use to build Qt-3.3.6

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evilDagmar:

There's a patch there to make the mysql stuff work properly

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mchou:

Gumby: what size you ride?

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mchou:

frame*

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evilDagmar:

...the "build" script isn't going to be useful without the whole dlg engine installed, but it should be readable enough to know what it should be doing, and it's heavily commented

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, how might I use said patch

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Gumby:

mchou: mtb 20" road 56" (a bit small)

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jonK:

strange — I'm riding 19 mtb and 58 road

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mchou:

Gumby: you way taller than me then :)

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: You just apply it to the qt source like any other patch. I make sure all my patches in that stuff are "kernel-style" unified diffs

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Gumby:

mchou: approx 6'1"

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mchou:

5'6" here

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, shalt I unbzip it and untar it first?

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Gumby:

so you dont want to buy my bike? hehe

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mchou:

Gumby: if it was my size I might have :)

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: Oh, yes. Heh

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evilDagmar:

I figured that part would be self-explanatory

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Gumby:

gonna ask $1K CAD. Mostly 105/ultegra parts. alloy frame with carbon seat stays. been ridden only this summer commuting approx 5km/day.

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, quite. so how the hell do I use this thing? Theres two directories in here

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mchou:

Gumby: anyways, AL give plenty of warning when they are about to fail. Carbon fiber does not.

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Gumby:

its a pretty good deal actually. just have to find the right buyer

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jonK:

Anduin: thanks for the help I'm guessing it will be working when I get home — so onto other new and fancy problems

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evilDagmar:

Yep. The SCRIPTS directory contains teh control elements of the build definition, notably the 'build' script itself (which wont' work without something else)... The SOURCES directory contains any patches or extra files needed

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jonK:

like why myth thinks office space is only 5:29 long

[00:54:48]

jonK:

i've seen it, it's much longer

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evilDagmar:

You can look at the 'build' script and see in what order everything gets done

[00:55:20]

d3ity:

evilDagmar, I hate dropline stuff.

[00:55:26]

d3ity:

makes me paranoid

[00:55:35]

jonK:

and mchou — only problem was wrong version of automake

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: That's a shame because that build engine is nailed down seven ways to Sunday

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jonK:

at least it told me....

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, its a shame that it has to fsck up every single depenancy in slack

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: Everything I build, I have logs for, for one thing.

[00:56:19]

Gumby:

gotta sell some raceface mtb cranks also.. any takers? hehe

[00:56:23]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: Dude, you're talking to the wrong guy to try to float that kind of misinformation.

[00:56:32]

mchou:

Gumby: read this: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.t . . . %3D1%26&

[00:56:36]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: What you're saying there is entirely untrue.

[00:56:40]

d3ity:

evilDagmar, dropline, freerock, they all mess with your dependancies

[00:56:51]

jonK:

how bout you just give me a nice summary

[00:56:56]

evilDagmar:

You say that like "messing with dependencies" is something that can be done

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mchou:

Gumby: wrong linky

[00:57:15]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: Rather than point you to the FUQ, what exactly are you accusing Dropline of tampering with?

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mchou:

Gumby: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.t . . . de4a0575e15a

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, it changes the packages slack installs, with unequivalent packages.

[00:57:50]

evilDagmar:

I think you're just plain wrong about that, but perhaps you'd care to mention a specific package and issue?

[00:57:52]

d3ity:

evilDagmar, its more prevalent in freerock, but dropline is just as guilty of it sometimes. The packages are not equivalent. anyway

[00:57:52]

Gumby:

mchou: I'll take my real life experience over a google group that anyone can post to any day

[00:58:06]

mchou:

jonK: you too: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.t . . . de4a0575e15a

[00:58:18]

jonK:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.t . . . hread/thread

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jonK:

/1e135dd7de211598/2c02de4a0575e15a?lnk=st&q=bike+shop+wouldn%27t+touc

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jonK:

h+seatpost&rnum=1#2c02de4a0575e15a

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mchou:

Gumby: have you even read it?

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: Are you aware that I'm one of the package devs for Dropline, and the guy who maintains/devs/upgrades the engine used to build most of the packages?

[00:58:33]

Gumby:

mchou: and its really tough to say WHAT those people had done before the parts failed also. carbon doesnt just fail when trying to move a seat side to side to get it out. honestly, who is that guy trying to fool?

[00:58:35]

mchou:

Gumby: the first post

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jonK:

sorry putty just does that when you copy things

[00:58:40]

Gumby:

yep, read it

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mchou:

Gumby: lol

[00:58:50]

d3ity:

evilDagmar, realllly now, well, first of all, can you fire off an email to those freerock guys telling them to just stop.

[00:59:01]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: There's nothing you can throw at me than I'm not already likely to know about

[00:59:02]

mchou:

Gumby: snapped like bamboo!!

[00:59:07]

jonK:

h+seatpost&rnum=1#2c02de4a0575e15a http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.t . . . hread/thread

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jonK:

/1e135dd7de211598/2c02de4a0575e15a?lnk=st&q=bike+shop+wouldn%27t+touc

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d3ity:

and I'll give dropline another try, but if one thing breaks on my system thanks to a dropline package, I'm hunting you for sport.

[00:59:24]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: Well, Freerock is just *one* guy, for one thing. This is why he's a little slow at times. The poor guy needs his sleep.

[00:59:27]

Gumby:

mchou: I have no doubt it snapped like bamboo. but I have MAJOR doubts as to why it snapped.

[00:59:45]

d3ity:

evilDagmar, well, freerock absolutley destroys slackware systems.

[00:59:50]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: Well, if it breaks something I definitely want to know so I can fix it, but we're way more careful about that sort of thing than a lot of people think

[00:59:56]

mchou:

Gumby: sure. but snapped like bamboo would NEVER happen to AL

[01:00:13]

Gumby:

I've seen alloy seatposts snap and end up like a spear. I'd sooner have carbon fail and end up like bamboo rather than aluminum like a spear

[01:00:15]

d3ity:

evilDagmar, ever since gnome is no longer included in slack (why god why was it removed), I've been weary of all the "replacements"

[01:00:20]

Zider:

bamboo doesn't snap :P

[01:00:31]

mchou:

Zider: sure it does

[01:00:39]

d3ity:

anyway evilDagmar, i see this scripts directory, is there one of these scripts that i should chmod +x and run, that would make my life very very easy?

[01:00:51]

Anduin:

I thought this channel was only supposed to spiral into OT politics.

[01:00:55]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: Well, it's not helping that there's about 100 little know-nothings all with their own idea of "proper system administration" floating all kinds of insanity in chat channels

[01:01:18]

d3ity:

evilDagmar, this is true, but if we all agreed, we'd probably be stuck using windows.

[01:01:27]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: The build script there is basically just a stub. You'd need the rest of what's in dagmar.droplinegnome.org/dbs (well, just the latest tarball) to acutally make it work

[01:01:52]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: Well, to be honest, probably 98% of the complaints I've seen can be filed neatly under "kookery"

[01:01:55]

d3ity:

evilDagmar, ok, lets just say I'm sick of beating around the bush and digging for libraries, where would I start with installing dropline in its entirety.

[01:01:59]

mchou:

Gumby: it's clear the dude never used a torque wrench

[01:02:24]

mchou:

Gumby: which is yet another "complexity" with carbon

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evilDagmar:

That would amount to just grabbing the installer package, installing it with installpkg, and running `dropline-installer as root

[01:02:33]

Zider:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bamboobike.jpg &ndash ; speaking of bamboo and frames btw :D

[01:02:40]

Gumby:

mchou: parts bond together, it happens. especially in more wet environments.

[01:02:42]

evilDagmar:

From there it'll take care of downloading everything else with wget

[01:02:47]

mchou:

Zider: that's old news

[01:02:52]

d3ity:

evilDagmar, try this for me and you'll know why i'm weary. Install freerock on a fresh slackware system, then install a few other packages from both slackware mirrors and other sources, and see what works. also, attempt to remove the freerock packages and reinstall the normal ones. You'll know what hell is. and You'll know why I'm weary.

[01:02:59]

Zider:

mchou: and your point is?

[01:03:17]

mchou:

Zider: bamboo still snaps

[01:03:20]

mchou:

:)

[01:03:34]

Zider:

mchou: not before it bends pretty much

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Gumby:

a post would never seize in a frame due to torque on the binder bolt

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: Well, it might be a bit easier for me since I know most of the system backwards and forwards, so dependencies don't become a problem for me. If by "other sources" you mean LInuxPackges.net, I'd hazard that that's part of your problem

[01:04:03]

d3ity:

anyway evilDagmar, if I install dropline right now, can you tell me if my QT troubles will fix themselves

[01:04:14]

d3ity:

cause I'd really like all those gnome dependancies lying around.

[01:04:18]

mchou:

Gumby: no, when he tightened it he fractured the post :)

[01:04:18]

evilDagmar:

I know the LP.net guy works hard, but they've got so many packages with severe QA problems...

[01:04:23]

Zider:

mchou: still; who gives a flying duck fuck that you think it's "old news"?

[01:04:30]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: Dropline wont' fix this, but the build engine will.

[01:04:33]

Gumby:

mchou: thats nonsense. I dont believe it for a second

[01:04:43]

d3ity:

evilDagmar, I just downloaded the dropline installer.

[01:04:48]

mchou:

Zider: I'm just stating a fact

[01:05:01]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: This will be easily undoable... http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/dbs/dropline- . . . 1.98.tar.bz2 Take that and untar it into /usr/src

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Gumby:

mchou: and it broke when he tried to twist the seatpost, not when he torqued the bolt

[01:05:04]

mchou:

Zider: I dont see why you take it so personally

[01:05:10]

Gumby:

mchou: did YOU read the article? hehe

[01:05:21]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: I'm pretty sure the Qt script is in that tarball, but lemme double check

[01:05:23]

Zider:

mchou: it's a fact that you've seen the picture before? wow..

[01:05:24]

mchou:

Zider: rims used to be made of wood too

[01:05:40]

jonK:

"flying duck fuck"

[01:05:44]

Zider:

mchou: I never claimed it was daily news ffs

[01:05:45]

jonK:

that's needless hyperbole

[01:05:57]

Gumby:

"In an attempt to raise my seat, I loosened my seatpost clamp (completely), then I held my frame between my legs and gave my seat a twist while pulling up."

[01:06:06]

Zider:

jonK: hyperwhat?

[01:06:14]

jonK:

i often hold my frame between my legs

[01:06:23]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: Okay yep it is. Once you've untarred it, cd to /usr/src/dropline-build-system and take a moment to change I think two things in the "config" file there, then run `./build qt`

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SlicerDicer-:

wow this takes a long long time to do this rebuild xris ;-)

[01:06:44]

mchou:

Gumby: it's clear to me he overtorqued the bolt some time in the past

[01:06:54]

Gumby:

"My Campy Chorus carbon seat post snapped like a piece of bamboo! It broke about 1/4" above the top of the seat post." <-- this means that the stress was not at the seat binder bolt but elsewhere up the seatpost.

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: You'll want to tell it where to store tarballs it downloads and where to store packages it completes, and you'll want to set the variable that makes it tag your packages with your initials, and than's about it

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Gumby:

mchou: if he overtorqued the bolt then the point of fracture would have been at the seat binder bolt. not 1/4 up from it

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: Beyond that the script will just spew a lot of stuff to the screen for a long while and then you'll have an installable qt package

[01:07:33]

d3ity:

ok

[01:07:34]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: check pvt msg

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jonK:

I'm going to go home and will be back, please carry on with your holy war

[01:07:51]

mchou:

Gumby: dude, it's clear he raised the saddle

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mchou:

Gumby: in the past

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Gumby:

and regardless, one couldnt overtorque a seat binder to the point of crushing a seatpost. a) the bolt would strip first b) frames dont have a wide enough slit in the tub to allow for such pressure to be put on the seatpost

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, ok. so what am I changing. where to store tarballs, and where to store packages

[01:08:44]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: If ther'es a mythplugins definition in there, it currently _will not work_. I had to yank the subpackage() function from it's library and I've not finished fixing it yet. (Well, fixing it for other people. It works here but it's a nasty hack)

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mchou:

Gumby: BS

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: PRetty much everything else there should be able to generate a package without a hitch

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, so, all I have to change is...

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: Those two variables, and the variable that normally says "dl" for us.

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mchou:

Gumby: heat tubes get crished by stems and they are bigger in diameter than seatposts

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Gumby:

if he raised the post in the past then the reason the post broke there was cause it was already stressed probably due to a crash or the fact that he was a large rider

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mchou:

s/heat/steer

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d3ity:

obviously DLG_ARCH I must change

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Gumby:

head tubes get crushed by stems?

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evilDagmar:

Well, yeah, if you don't like i686. :)

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d3ity:

lib64 directory

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Gumby:

you mean handlebars?

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d3ity:

i686 is for toasters and other outdated technology

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Gumby:

or do you mean forks?

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evilDagmar:

I'm lazy. I'm still using i686 binaries

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mchou:

Gumby: no, fork sterr tube

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mchou:

steer*

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evilDagmar:

With Slack 11 I'll get back around to using Slamd64 I'm sure

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, what are the names of the vars for pkg dir and download dir

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d3ity:

ah, I found PACKAGEROOT

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Gumby:

mchou: most headset style stems have two pinch bolts and aprox 2x the amount of space to tighten down the bolts not to mention most use 5 or 6mm bolts and most seat binder bolts are 4mm

[01:11:36]

mchou:

Gumby: there are reasons why torque wrenches are necessary

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d3ity:

now sourceroot or something?

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: You'll want to set DLG_SOURCEREPOS, DLG_PKGER, and DLG_PACKAGEROOT

[01:11:58]

evilDagmar:

One at the top, one in the middle, and one at the bottom

[01:12:09]

evilDagmar:

Mainly to get people used to reading comments, because the thing is probably 40% comments

[01:12:10]

Gumby:

mchou: there are lots of reasons why torque wrenches are necessary. crushing a seatpost in a frame really isnt one of them.

[01:12:20]

mchou:

Gumby: sure it is

[01:12:50]

mchou:

Gumby: for carbon fiber seatpost they sure are

[01:13:21]

Gumby:

mchou: ok, if you say so. ask any mechanic in the industry and I guarantee that 99% dont use torque wrenches to tighten a seat binder. and if they do, they are probably very unsure of how tight things should be due to lack of experience

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evilDagmar:

Gumby: but that's so much FUN

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mchou:

Gumby: the fact there are two bolts on stem while the slit is no bigger than the seat tube contradicts your assertion

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Gumby:

Ive worked with MANY mechanics, both good and bad, over the years and none have used torque wrenches on a seatpost binder

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d3ity:

omg wee

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d3ity:

it appears to be thinking about working

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d3ity:

and it's working in technicolor too!

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evilDagmar:

Well, that's mainly so it doesn't all just become visual blur on a fast box

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Gumby:

mchou: I said the space between the bolts on a stem are double that of a seat tube

[01:14:46]

mchou:

Gumby: bullshit. No human can tell "from experience" what the amount of torque is

[01:15:00]

Gumby:

mchou: lmao, then youve never known a good mechanic

[01:15:20]

d3ity:

mchou, you're full of it

[01:15:30]

mchou:

Gumby: considering whether the bolts gets greased akes a HUGE difference in torque

[01:15:38]

Gumby:

mchou: then ALWAYS grease your bolts

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evilDagmar:

Gumby: You could have just asked him to use a welder on it instead of the torque wrench. :)

[01:15:51]

d3ity:

heh

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Gumby:

mchou: any good mechanic knows that

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evilDagmar:

Much more secure than just crushing the seat post into place.

[01:16:16]

Gumby:

evilDagmar: but then you run into the problem of raising/lowering your seatpost

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mchou:

Gumby: you are talking out of you ass. a greased bolt would "feel" to a human like less torque

[01:16:28]

Gumby:

which usually I dont, but if I try to sell my bike its sort of a feature that is required

[01:16:46]

Gumby:

mchou: if you always grease your bolts then it always feels like the same torque

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d3ity:

mchou, yeah, but an experienced mechanic, or anyone who's had experience in working on anything mechanical requiring torquing bolts, would be able to tell the diffrence.

[01:17:15]

mchou:

d3ity: that's complete bullshit

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evilDagmar:

I never used the seat on my nike much

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evilDagmar:

s/nike/bike

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evilDagmar:

Seemed like all it ever did was throw me violently into the air so I quit using it

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mchou:

no human has that degree of sensitivity to torque

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Gumby:

if I tighten the same greased bolt 100000 times I am going to know how it feels to tighten that bolt. yes, if it then wasnt greased there would be a difference, but like I said.. a good mechanic ALWAYS greases his bolts

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d3ity:

mchou, ok, then explain how I can use a socket wrench to tighten my oil drain on my car, or the valve covers, and hit it dead on 15

[01:18:05]

d3ity:

I still check it with a torque wrench, but I'm usually dead on

[01:18:05]

mchou:

d3ity: cause you got LUCKY

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mchou:

d3ity: that's precisely my point

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Gumby:

mchou: and you do realize that the majority of torque settings are guidlines and dont have to be followed literally

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d3ity:

mchou, then how come I've done it hundreds of times?

[01:18:37]

d3ity:

am I that lucky?

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Gumby:

mchou: when it happens 9 times out of 10 then luck has nothing to do with it?

[01:18:50]

d3ity:

whenever I buy a scratch off lottery ticket I never win a thing

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: it's not that hard to judge torque with your hands IMHO

[01:18:59]

d3ity:

evilDagmar, its easy as hell.

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d3ity:

you just have to know what it should feel like

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Gumby:

thats like compiling mythtv and having it compile 99 times out of 100 and thinking.... damn I am lucky

[01:19:19]

Gumby:

it has nothing to do with luck, its experience

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d3ity:

exactly.

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mchou:

lol. you guys call yourselves mechanics and say a human can tell the difference in torque? That's RICH!

[01:19:59]

d3ity:

mchou, my car could kick your cars ass, and my bike would eat anything you could throw at it.

[01:20:03]

evilDagmar:

My favorites tho are the people who use their high-powered black & decker drill to remove and install screws in their computer case

[01:20:11]

Gumby:

mchou: do you seriosuly have the delusion that most mechanics use torque wrenches all the time?

[01:20:16]

evilDagmar:

Maybe 2, 3 times you can do that and then they strip out. :)

[01:20:18]

mchou:

I guess Snap-on might as well discontinue their torque wrenches

[01:20:37]

d3ity:

Gumby, most mechanics do not give a fuck. I'll use a wrench when it matters, on heads or something, but if I'm changing my oil, I really don't care.

[01:20:48]

d3ity:

as long as it feels like 15 to me, and it usually is right.

[01:20:52]

mchou:

Gumby: with carbon fiber they better use a torque wrench

[01:20:54]

Gumby:

d3ity: the same goes for most mechanics out there

[01:20:58]

Gumby:

mchou: pontless

[01:21:05]

mchou:

d3ity: you're so full of shit

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Gumby:

pointless

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d3ity:

and occasionally I do second guess myself, and get out my torque wrench, and then make myself look like an ass by putting it on just to have it click within 1/16th of a turn

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Gumby:

mchou: next time you take your bike in ask the mechanic to check your seatpost and then watch him put it back in. see if he uses a torque wrench

[01:21:35]

mchou:

Gumby: lol

[01:21:39]

d3ity:

mchou, my car would still eat you, even if my bolts are .000001% off

[01:21:50]

mchou:

I worked as a bike mechanic in TdF

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Gumby:

mchou: thats great

[01:22:01]

Gumby:

that means nothing to me

[01:22:34]

mchou:

Gumby: that means nothing to you cause you dont have experience

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d3ity:

really? I've rebuilt three motors, installed a few transmissions, and helped build two drag cars.

[01:22:40]

Gumby:

I work as a bike mechanic on the North Shore in Vancouver Canada where its among one of the hardest places on MTB gear. I dont use a torque wrench and I have plenty of very happy customers

[01:22:54]

mchou:

Gumby: haha!! what a joke

[01:22:58]

Gumby:

I shouldnt say "dont use a torque wrench"

[01:23:01]

Gumby:

I should say rarely

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d3ity:

and I've worked on my bike. and if a bolt flies out of that thing, i'm dead.

[01:23:14]

d3ity:

i don't just scrape my knee

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Gumby:

I definately use torque wrenches on suspension frames and big hit forks

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Zider:

Gumby: what if those customers whose bikes fall apart don't survive to complain to you? ;)

[01:23:33]

d3ity:

and for the most part, a torque wrench isn't absolutley nessacary.

[01:23:43]

evilDagmar:

Zider: Sounds like a non-problem to me

[01:23:49]

Gumby:

Zider: then all is well right? actually, I rarely get complaints.

[01:23:50]

d3ity:

Gumby, I use it on suspensions, heads, exhaust headers, shit that matters.

[01:24:07]

d3ity:

I do not care if my shifter is bolted to my center console at exactly 7 ft-lbs

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mchou:

point is on carbon fiber it does matter

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d3ity:

I also do not care if my oil drain is at precisley 25 ft-lbs

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evilDagmar:

Now, if you get complaints from dead people, then you have a serious problem

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Gumby:

d3ity: is your console carbon? if its carbon and you tighten to 7.1 ft lbs it might "crack like bamboo"

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d3ity:

I just care that it doesn't leak, and that my shifter doesn't easily come off my console.

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d3ity:

Gumby, it's wood.

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grung0r:

Install. For iVTV

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grung0r:

issues, have a look at Install. For iVTV

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d3ity:

Gumby, and it bolts into this thing they don't use on cars anymore. it's called... metal.

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d3ity:

which is under the nice 'n shiny laminated wood piece.

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evilDagmar:

lol

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Gumby:

mchou: I'll let you know when I crush the carbon steer tube on my forks due to me not using a torque wrench on it. dont expect to hear from me within the next 100 years

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Gumby:

infact, I'll let you know when I crush anything carbon on any bike whether it be mine or a clients

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Gumby:

and lets see, I work on an avg of 15 bikes per day

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d3ity:

afraid of carbon fiber? fine, be that way, want your car/bike/whatever to still be fast? then give it more displacement than a 2 liter of mountain dew and it might just have the balls to be able to get out of its own way without having a curb weight of 15 lbs

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evilDagmar:

hah

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mchou:

Gumby: stop bullshitting. The reason you dont use a torque wrench is LAZINESS, not experience

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Gumby:

been doing that for about 15 years... how many bikes is that... never crushed anything due to over torque yet. never had anything come looks due to under torque yet either

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Gumby:

laziness? lmao

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d3ity:

mchou, it's true, it is laziness.

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d3ity:

mchou, but it's also experience in knowing that, hell, I tightened that, so, it ain't coming off anytime soon

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Gumby:

mchou: next time you take your bike in ask the mechanic some of the torque specs for your bike. bet he has no clue whatsoever

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mchou:

we didnt have carbon fiber posts 15 yrs agao. (not a prevalent, anyways)

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mchou:

as*

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d3ity:

Gumby, yeah, exactly, he just makes sure it stays there.

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d3ity:

I mean, to tell you the truth, I make sure I wipe my ass front to back three times, then side to side twice. because thats what the instructions say. No one does that. you wipe your ass till it's clean, and if it isn't. then you obviously don't have enough experience in wiping your assx

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mchou:

d3ity: my point about torque wrench is not about "coming off." it's about "too tight" in the case of carbon

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Gumby:

Ive seen a sledge hammer taken to some carbon parts on bikes without them breaking. carbon really isnt as weak and fragile as people like to think

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d3ity:

mchou, I can torque a bolt through carbon fiber without having it break by hand.

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d3ity:

and I can also make sure it's staying there

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d3ity:

and if i want insurance, I use some damn loctite

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mchou:

Gumby: right. why dont you go ahead and make some saddle rails out of carbon fiber then.

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d3ity:

Gumby, I've seen carbon fiber hit pavement at 75+mph

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mchou:

Gumby: just like fools who use titanium for saddle rails

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Gumby:

Ive also seen the EXACT same scenario as when was in that forum post happen on a mtb with a steel frame and alloy thompson seatpost. post snapped a short ways from the seat tube due to the fact that it was overstressed when the person tried to take it out because it was seized in the frame

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d3ity:

sometimes it shatters, sometimes it spiderwebs, and sometimes it "bounces"

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d3ity:

either way at 70mph, it's still gonna hurt like hell.

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Gumby:

mchou: yes, I do use ti rails on my saddle. and ive seen plenty of cromoly seat rails break also

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d3ity:

on a bike thats missing a key component (a motor), the potential for death is slightly lower, and the stresses are slightly less. I'm sure it can happen, but carbon fiber is some STRONG ass shit.

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Gumby:

ti seat rails are of no issue

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d3ity:

you will break before carbon fiber will.

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d3ity:

provided it's cured properly.

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Gumby:

mchou: go to the tour de france and see how many racers dont use ti rails on their saddles

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mchou:

d3ity: bullshit. on a bike you have no protection

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Gumby:

the percentage will be low

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mchou:

in a car you have steel and airbags

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Gumby:

on a motorbike you dont

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d3ity:

mchou, we call them helmets and pads. On my bike, I wear a specially designed set of saftey gear, so I don't kill myself.

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mchou:

Gumby: plenty of riders in TdF dont use Ti rails

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d3ity:

Gumby, exactly, you have perhaps an inch of padding (probably made of some carbon fiber somewhere)

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Gumby:

mchou: maybe 15 years ago

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mchou:

I'd estimate it's well over 85%

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d3ity:

idk, i'm a fan of CF

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d3ity:

just... not for everything

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mchou:

Gumby: no, last year

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d3ity:

I'd sure as hell like to have some steel around me instead of some carbon fiber.

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Gumby:

mchou: what seats did people use last year?

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d3ity:

but, carbon fiber does have its merits, and on a bike, it works.

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mchou:

Gumby: labels dont mean the seats came from there

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d3ity:

in a car? pfft, I want some steel.

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Gumby:

mchou: I didnt ask what labels they used. I asked what seats they used

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mchou:

just like lance use a litespeed instead of trek in his first few TdF

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d3ity:

If I get into an accident, i damn sure want to win.

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d3ity:

and I trust steel more than carbon fiber.

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mchou:

Gumby: TdF is all about labels

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Gumby:

mchou: and the frame material of choice lance has used over the last 4 years? OMG.. carbon fiber

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Gumby:

mchou: if you know first hand that they didnt use ti rails on their seats then you should know what seats they used

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d3ity:

but carbon fiber vs some "space age polymer" *cough* recycled coke bottles *cough*, I'm taking the carbon fiber

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mchou:

Gumby: dude, this had to do with torque Does a frame suffer torque?

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Gumby:

mchou: um, yes

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Gumby:

mchou: probably moreso than any other part on the bike

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d3ity:

mchou, have you ever even been around a car with over 500HP?

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Gumby:

you think all that energy of you pedaling those cranks goes directly to the rear wheel without effecting anything else?

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mchou:

Gumby: you talking outta your ass. You dont know torque from your bung hole

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d3ity:

you can snap the motor mounts (steel) just by launching it

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d3ity:

you can bend the frame by hitting the gas hard enough.

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Gumby:

mchou: its you that doesnt have a clue man.

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Gumby:

sorry to say

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d3ity:

and those were around looooong before we started using carbon fiber.

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Gumby:

torque just isnt on bolts

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mchou:

Gumby: all those pedal revs "torques" a frame?

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Gumby:

mchou: do you know the definition of torque?

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mchou:

Gumby: dont make me laugh!

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d3ity:

mchou, yes, there is torque there.

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d3ity:

mchou, theres torque when you move your damn finger to type the word torque

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Gumby:

exactly

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Gumby:

physics 101

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d3ity:

just.. the force isn't strong enough to do all that much damage.

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mchou:

I'm a physicist. I know more about forces vs. torque than you do

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d3ity:

mchou, I'm an engineer, and I'm calling bullshit.

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Gumby:

The concept of torque, also called moment or couple, originated with the work of Archimedes on levers. The rotational analogues of force, mass, and acceleration are torque, moment of inertia, and angular acceleration respectively.

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Gumby:

The force applied to a lever, multiplied by its distance from the lever's fulcrum, is the torque.

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Gumby:

now, what is a crank... its a lever

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d3ity:

torque is a force acting around a central point.

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mchou:

lol

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d3ity:

at least, thats the simplest way i can describe it.

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Gumby:

what is a bottom bracket, its the fulcrum

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mchou:

force in which direction?

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Gumby:

any direction

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mchou:

Gumby: haha!!

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Gumby:

you think there is just downward/upward pressure on cranks?

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Gumby:

no, they also take side load

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mchou:

Gumby: dont be a fool

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d3ity:

Gumby, centripetal forces work on the principles of torque

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mchou:

direction is central to the definition of torque

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d3ity:

if you push something, theres torque involved, unless you're perfect and happen to perfectly balance the force exactly upon the center of mass of the object.

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Gumby:

there are multiple directions of force placed on a crank when pedalling. its not just up/down

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Gumby:

ever heard of frame flex? where do you think it comes from?

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d3ity:

Gumby, 360* of torque there, and thats only considering one axis, if you didn't use a torque wrench, there could be a lateral force as well.

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d3ity:

from it wobbling side to side.

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mchou:

Gumby: haha!

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Gumby:

d3ity: well, it doesnt wobble.. but there is definately lateral force

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Gumby:

if it wobbles you should take your bike into a mechanic

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d3ity:

Gumby, yeah, thats generally a bad sign.

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d3ity:

but. tell me when you're pedaling a bike, that your foot goes down perfectly straight, theres gonna be some forces acting in other directions other than simply straight ahead.

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d3ity:

a little of the force is skewed left, right, and in god knows how many other innumerable directions.

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Gumby:

d3ity: no, we all pedal with piston like precicion at directly on top of and straight down on a pedal throughout the 360 degree pedal revolution

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d3ity:

exactly. I do that.

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Gumby:

we as cyclists are machinces

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mchou:

d3ity: sure. assuming you put out 300W on a moment arm of 175mm, tell me how much the torque is

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mchou:

on the frame

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d3ity:

mchou, 300w, at what point on the arm? the farthest from the central point?

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Gumby:

most road craks arent 175mm

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Gumby:

they are 170 or 172,5

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mchou:

Gumby: haha, shows how much you know

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Gumby:

mchou: shows how much you know. read up on it

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d3ity:

on the frame? what direction is the force in? and are we working in theoreticals or in the real world, where that force would be much more complex than 300w of force in a single "pure" direction

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mchou:

Gumby: most pros use longer crank arms

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mchou:

Gumby: Indurain used 180, sometimes 185

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d3ity:

ok, well, I'll be back in a few minutes, i have to go see one of my friends right now, because I am leaving for school tomorrow

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d3ity:

so, I shall return

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Gumby:

mchou: that was how many years ago?

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mchou:

Gumby: which makes even more true now :)

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Gumby:

and that was ONE man?

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mchou:

lance also used 175

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Gumby:

mchou: an you've measured them?

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mchou:

so does about 80% of the peloton

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mchou:

Gumby: I told you I worked as a wrench in TdF

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Gumby:

and regardless, 80% of the peloton is not even 1% of the total cycling enthusiast population

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mchou:

you dont know dhit if you think road cranks are mostly 170

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Gumby:

mchou: picked up a retail cycling catologue lately?

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mchou:

general population doesnt produce 300W either

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Gumby:

and I said 170/172.5

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mchou:

Gumby: you've proven to me you dont know jack shit about wrenching

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Gumby:

mchou: ditto

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Gumby:

things arent the same as they were 20 years ago when you wrenched. your views on carbon are outdated and flawed

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mchou:

Gumby: lol

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Gumby:

the same crap was said about aluminum 20 years ago. now its the norm

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mchou:

I've forgotten more things than you've learned

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Gumby:

right

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Gumby:

and I am sure you can tell me the oil weight of any suspension fork on the market

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mchou:

sure, about & is safe

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mchou:

7*

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Gumby:

point being, I am sure there were things 20 years ago that arent relevant now just as what is relevant now wasnt 20 years ago

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Gumby:

and 7 is way too light for most forks

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mchou:

of course, that depends on a rider's weight and style too

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Gumby:

unless you want SUPER fast rebound like there is barely any oil there at all

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netrix:

ok i looked in keys.txt, but can't find a key for last channel.

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mchou:

Gumby: stop dodging. point is I know my shit, where as you dont

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netrix:

anyone?

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Gumby:

Crank arm length variations : 165mm, 170mm, 172.5mm, 175mm – a common crank arm these days, shimano 105 directly from shmainos 2006 catologue

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mchou:

Gumby: most pros weight about 140#.

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Gumby:

VELOCEâ„¢ ULTRA-TORQUEâ„¢ 10s crankset 170, 172.5, 175 mm

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Gumby:

direct from campys website

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mchou:

lol

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Gumby:

and check out most bikes at retail stores. you'll find most are 170 and 172.5

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Gumby:

unless its 60cm from or something like that

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Gumby:

from/frame

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mchou:

Gumby: dont be a fool. I said 300W on 175 arm. that was to calculate the "maximum"

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Gumby:

then why not use 180mm?

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mchou:

and I'm still waiting for an answer

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Gumby:

well, he left

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mchou:

Gumby: that question was posed to YOU

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Gumby:

mchou: no it wasnt

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Gumby:

<mchou> d3ity: sure. assuming you put out 300W on a moment arm of 175mm, tell me how much the torque is

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Gumby:

<mchou> on the frame

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mchou:

Gumby: considering you're such an "expert" on torque and all that

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Gumby:

I never said I was an expert on torque. I said that there simply was/is torgue on a frame

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Gumby:

which there is

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mchou:

Gumby: when I say "you" it means both you and deity

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Gumby:

you never said "you" you specifically said his name

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netrix:

jeeze ... had to doublecheck i was in the right channel. didn't think i was in mythtv-users for a second there.

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mchou:

"you" happens to be "plural as well as singular

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Gumby:

netrix: how to kill a channel in 15 minutes or less by Gumby and mchou

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mchou:

Gumby: I seem to recall you posted the definition of torque.

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mchou:

which wasn't even correct

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mchou:

that's what happens when you copy shit you dont understand

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Gumby:

mchou: well, go edit wikipedia then

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Gumby:

mchou: I posted it because you said there was no torque on a frame

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Gumby:

which is crap

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Zider:

there's torque on practically anything

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mchou:

Gumby: which is why I said go calculate the torque 300W/175mm

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Gumby:

mchou: I dont care to calculate it. Isaid there was, you said there wasnt. my point was, there IS torgue on a frame

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mchou:

Gumby: to illustrate it's nowhere close as the torque required to fasten a seatpost

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mchou:

Gumby: this is what I said: [18:37:46] <mchou> Gumby: all those pedal revs "torques" a frame?

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netrix:

ok i'll ask once more just in case, is there a key in myth to do jump to the last channel you were on. checked keys.txt and mythweb keybindings but i dont see one ...

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mchou:

torques was in quotes

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Gumby:

netrix: yes there is

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netrix:

Gumby: ok, please enlighten me.

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Gumby:

mchou> Gumby: dude, this had to do with torque Does a frame suffer torque?

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Gumby:

<Gumby> mchou: um, yes

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Gumby:

there is nothing false about my naswer at all

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Gumby:

netrix: I am not 100% sure what the default is. let me log into my box at home and check

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mchou:

Gumby: and I followed up w/ 300W, 175mm. Still waiting on the answer from you, by the way, since you quoted that definition

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netrix:

Gumby: thanks dude

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netrix:

i keep looking but i don't see one, but I thought I saw one in there last time i programmed my remote.

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mchou:

Gumby: let's see if you know how to APPLY the definition

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Gumby:

mchou: you fist ask the othet guy not me. and regardless of what the answer is, a frame does "suffer torque".

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Zider:

even if you don't know how to calculate it, fact remains it's there..

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Gumby:

mchou: to be 100% honest, I dont know the calculation to do it and I have never claimed otherwise.

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mchou:

Gumby: haha, still dodging. I'm asking YOU now

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Zider:

I can't calculate pi, but it sure is there ;)

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mchou:

Zider: if archimedes can calculate pi, you can too

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Gumby:

mchou: not dodging at all. You werent even asking me before which is why I never even tried to answer. I could just google it but I am not here to suggest I am something I am not. I am a mechanic, I do know a lot about the bike and te industry in general and I can guarantee you that the majority of mechanincs out there do not use torque wrenches

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mchou:

Zider: it aint hard

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Zider:

mchou: I don't know where to start

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mchou:

Zider: sure you do

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Zider:

nope

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mchou:

Zider: that's sad

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Zider:

I just know it's a bloody long number

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Zider:

I have no need to know how to calculate it

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Gumby:

mchou: and as I have stated multiple times now, Ive seen a alloy seatpost break just as described by this guys post earlier.

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Zider:

just that it's ~3,14

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mchou:

Zider: If I asked you to calculate pi to only 4 decimal places, would you know where to start?

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Gumby:

mchou: and the reasons wasnt because of overtorque of a seat binder

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Zider:

mchou: no, but I already remember the 5 first decimals from reading it..

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Gumby:

mchou: hell, it was even a really good mechanics bike that it happened to. maybe he used a torque wrench (allthough I know he didnt on his seatpost)

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Zider:

mchou: the sixth I have no idea tho

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netrix:

Gumby: i know guys who look up the specs is the TSM's and toque eveyrthing back to factory specs but i am pretty most shops are too lazy to go to that kinda detail.

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mchou:

Gumby: your talking shit earlier cause DeRosa King frame is carbon fiber and seatpost is also carbon fiber. There is no galvanic corrosion/binding.

[02:11:21]

Gumby:

netrix: its not a matter of laziness. here is an example. take that torque wrench away from that mechanic and tell me how good of a mechanic he is.

[02:11:29]

cmdrk:

circle + string + ruler = calculate pi

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mchou:

Gumby: lol

[02:11:35]

Gumby:

mchou: what?

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Gumby:

mchou: if there was no corosion then he wouldnt have had to twist so hard on his post to get it out

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mchou:

Zider: what's the DEFINITION of pi?

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Zider:

cmdrk: isn't that measuring rather than calculating?

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cmdrk:

no

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cmdrk:

because you calculate the ratio

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Zider:

mchou: have no idea, I know it's related to circles somehow, that's all

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netrix:

Gumby: well true, i guess you don't need much detail when working on a tempo.

[02:12:57]

Gumby:

netrix: also, torque specs arent suppied by mfg's for a lot of bike parts

[02:13:16]

netrix:

Gumby: hey ... did you find that key? my gf is dying for a last channel button on the remote ... :)

[02:13:17]

mchou:

Gumby: dont be a fool. aluminum binds to steel because of galvanic corrosion. What's the mechanism for two like materials to bind to each other??

[02:13:19]

Gumby:

netrix: so a torque on one brands product isnt necessarily the same for another.

[02:13:28]

cmdrk:

anyway, anyone have any idea why my mythtv setup would've deleted my scheduling and won't save new ones?

[02:13:53]

mchou:

Zider: pi is the ratio of cicumference to diameter

[02:14:03]

mchou:

Zider: that's the definition

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Zider:

mchou: okidoki

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Gumby:

mchou: ok, you are correct there. The was SOMETHING providing friction for that seatpost to not come out easily.

[02:16:07]

mchou:

Zider: so staring with that definition for pi, how would you go about calculating it?

[02:16:41]

netrix:

to answer my own question it's the 'H' key. good luck with 'yer torque converstation fellas.

[02:16:42]

Zider:

mchou: uhh, dunno? it's 4:16 at night, and I have no interest in calculating pi

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mchou:

Zider: sigh.....

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mchou:

failure of the education system is immense

[02:17:28]

Zider:

not really

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Zider:

I just forgot

[02:18:00]

Gumby:

yes, a graduating requirement is the knowledge of how to calculate pi

[02:18:17]

mchou:

Zider: you "forgot" that pi=circum/diameter??

[02:18:23]

Zider:

I probably learned in school but so what? things you don't use gets forgotten

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Gumby:

mchou: I am sure if someone gave a crap they could fill a book with things you've forgotten about school

[02:19:13]

Gumby:

like how to play nice with others

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Zider:

mchou: maybe it wasn't as long ago that you finished school, my young padawan

[02:19:36]

mchou:

Gumby: that's not taught as a subject in school

[02:19:44]

Zider:

..it should be..

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Gumby:

mchou: some of the best things learned in schools arent subjects

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Gumby:

some of the most relevant too

[02:20:23]

mchou:

lol. Considering you folks didnt learn shit I can see why you say that

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Zider:

I learned a lot, doesn't mean I remember it..

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Gumby:

lol, Ive learned lots in school. just because its not what you learned or remembered doesnt mean its not relevant

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mchou:

you went to the school of hard knocks

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cmdrk:

school is easy

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mchou:

graduated with a PhD.

[02:21:32]

Gumby:

sweet, dinner time.

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Zider:

I don't even know what our grades would be in english equivalent

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Zider:

and I don't really care to know either

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Zider:

since I'm not in school anymore

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Gumby:

Zider: how dare you. mchou will not be jappy

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Gumby:

happy

[02:22:19]

Zider:

Gumby: I really don't give a shit if he's crying his eyes out. :P

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Zider:

wow, it sure died now ;)

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bRuZdEGO:

hello and good morning, has anyone successfully install the new mytharchive plugin? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArchive because I seem to be unable ot install it. :(

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Gumby:

anyone in here running ubuntu?

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Gumby:

wondering if there is an nuvexport package available

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d3ity:

ok

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d3ity:

lirc... question

[03:04:56]

d3ity:

I've got lircd running

[03:04:59]

d3ity:

irw shows shiny stuff

[03:05:02]

d3ity:

I've got a .lircrc file

[03:05:08]

d3ity:

why doesn't my remote work in myth?

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Anduin:

d3ity: ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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d3ity:

aye

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jason32:

Hi, I'm trying to get MythTV working under Knoppmyth with a Radeon 8500, and am having trouble getting the TV-Out to work. Is there a good guide for this?

[03:06:30]

d3ity:

Anduin, you've been fixing this box all night :)

[03:09:51]

bRuZdEGO:

hello and good morning, has anyone successfully install the new mytharchive plugin? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArchive because I seem to be unable ot install it. :(

[03:10:20]

d3ity:

Anduin, still nothing

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d3ity:

let me check that file and make sure it's not out of date

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Agrajag-:

bRuZdEGO: can you tell us what you've done to try to use it and what's wrong?

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d3ity:

As for my lirc problem, I've got lircd running, I've got a ~/.mythtv/.lircrc and a ~/.mythtv/lircrc file that appear sane.

[03:13:50]

evilDagmar:

Agrajag-; I don't think he's actually watching this window. Same message several times over the same interval now

[03:14:18]

d3ity:

mythtv doesn't seem to want to cooperate

[03:14:35]

d3ity:

is there something I may have missed in mythtv's configuration? Do I need to --enable something when i compile?

[03:14:43]

evilDagmar:

--enable-lirc :)

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Anduin:

d3ity: and you've enabled lirc support? and the lircrc file is truly sane?

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Agrajag-:

evilDagmar: oh ok.. i only saw it twic

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Agrajag-:

e

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d3ity:

Anduin, ah, I need to --enable something at compile time, I can handle that

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Anduin:

d3ity: --enable-lirc

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bRuZdEGO:

Agrajag-, i've worked it out

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d3ity:

Anduin, I figured that'd be it

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bRuZdEGO:

i'm an idiot.

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bRuZdEGO:

Agrajag-, my power's of observation are just not happening on this fine monday morning. ;)

[03:16:11]

bRuZdEGO:

all good, i've sorted it.. thanks. :)

[03:16:15]

d3ity:

evilDagmar, hey buuuuddy

[03:16:18]

d3ity:

guess what?

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evilDagmar:

hmm?

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d3ity:

make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib64/qt/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.

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jason32:

what is the command to update ATI drivers in knoppmyth?

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Agrajag-:

apt-get throw-out-ati-card-buy-something-else-ati-suck

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evilDagmar:

d31ty: Okay, so what's emitting that

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, make, in mythtv

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evilDagmar:

You have QTDIR and so forth set, right?

[03:19:17]

d3ity:

evilDagmar, from configure?

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evilDagmar:

...because that file should not be in that lib64 directory

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, really?

[03:19:28]

evilDagmar:

QTDIR and so on are supposed to be set in your environment.

[03:19:54]

d3ity:

QTDIR bieng /usr/lib64/qt?

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evilDagmar:

It shoudln't be that

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d3ity:

what should it be going to so i can slocate it

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evilDagmar:

It *should* have created an /etc/profile.d/qt.sh script

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evilDagmar:

...which woudl be setting QTDIR to /usr

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, it did

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d3ity:

should I execute such a script?

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evilDagmar:

...and CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH will be /usr/include

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evilDagmar:

You should

[03:21:28]

evilDagmar:

...but it would be easier to just logout and log back in

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maqu1na:

hey guys, i've got a question.. does the ati all in wonder work with myth tv?

[03:21:38]

d3ity:

hrm

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d3ity:

very well, be right back

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maqu1na:

i've got an ati all in wonder 9600 and another pre-radeon one.. any chance any of them will work?

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d3ity:

same thing man, I executed the script, logged out, executed it again, tried it, . /etc/profile, same thing

[03:25:55]

Gumby:

anyone here use ubuntu and nuvexport? wondering why all the export options are "(disabled)". I am guessing its because of fmpeg but I am not 100% sure

[03:26:05]

d3ity:

hrm, now it worketh

[03:26:21]

d3ity:

I had to clean out my entie mythtv directory and retry with a fresh source tree

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Agrajag-:

Gumby: you need the right libs and stuff. try --transcode if you have transcode installed and not ffmpeg

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Gumby:

Agrajag-: will do.

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** Gumby installs transcode **

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: Have you tried the build script for mythtv that's in there?

[03:28:24]

d3ity:

i've had my fill of scripts for tonight

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: You might need to use the strange qmake directives I've got in there

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evilDagmar:

This is one of the cases where I had to do something to make ti build and then forgot why the hell I did it *and* didn't leave behind a detailed comment

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evilDagmar:

I'll bet you're passing --libdir=/usr/lib64 to myth's configure script

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d3ity:

nope

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d3ity:

it's always JustWorked(tm)

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evilDagmar:

Freakin' weird

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evilDagmar:

Which version of Myth were you building?

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d3ity:

I just wish distcc would stop trying to whore out my network while compiling

[03:31:32]

d3ity:

evilDagmar, 0.19

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evilDagmar:

I usually just disable that thing because I get tired of seeing it's noise

[03:31:40]

evilDagmar:

Hmm...

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, yeah, I forgot to

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evilDagmar:

That's okay. I keep forgetting to code up the routines that let the build engine grab SVN releases

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d3ity:

man I still have so much stuff to pack

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Gumby:

hrm, interesting. nuvexport is showing the following processed: 5808 of 5233 frames at 6.95 fps (110.99%, eta: )

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d3ity:

hey evilDagmar

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d3ity:

still troubles

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d3ity:

I tried ./build mythtv

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d3ity:

and its still not quite workin out

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d3ity:

and is there any way through your build script to add configure options (such as --enable-lirc)

[04:35:27]

mchou:

sure.

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mchou:

it's called ./configure :)

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d3ity:

mchou, evilDagmar instructed me that the easiest way would be to go through dropline

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mchou:

d3ity: lol

[04:36:27]

d3ity:

I too was skeptical

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: Just add them to the line in the script, like where it says "configure" change it to "configure --enable-lirc"

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gre1:

someone wanna install mythtv for me?

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d3ity:

hrm, ah

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evilDagmar:

It follows the principle of least astonishment

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d3ity:

but evilDagmar, it still won't compile

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mchou:

d3ity: ./configure --help to see most options

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evilDagmar:

So here's the useful thing.... pastebin the file you have in /tmp/DLG/LOGS/packagename-n-n-n/*

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evilDagmar:

In the logdir you'll find the exact configure command used, as well as all the output of it, and the same goes for make

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d3ity:

yeah

[04:39:10]

d3ity:

make doesn't show the error for some reason

[04:39:14]

d3ity:

but, now I have to redo it anyway

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: Eh? That's not really possible. the make() function routes both stderr and stdout to the logfile

[04:39:57]

d3ity:

evilDagmar, meh, might have been one of the 400k rxvt

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d3ity:

's i have opened

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evilDagmar:

Ah

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d3ity:

anyway. I gotta redo it

[04:40:06]

d3ity:

so... now.

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d3ity:

./build mythtv

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d3ity:

where do I set the configure options?

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evilDagmar:

I just built the latest SVN with it

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: in SCRIPTS/mythtv/build

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evilDagmar:

It should have --enable-lirc and so forth already in there

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d3ity:

yeah it did

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d3ity:

but it didn't spit out a tgz

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d3ity:

I'll compile again

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evilDagmar:

It completed without an error?

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, oh, it errored

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d3ity:

http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/FxIdTX23.html

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d3ity:

thats all your txt file gave me though

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evilDagmar:

Dude, how much space do you have in /tmp?

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mchou:

sigh....

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evilDagmar:

If that's all you have in the log file, it means the thing just ran out of space, or your kernel has a very abnormal idea of what "delayed write caching" means

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, should have PLENTY.

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d3ity:

13 GB is free on that drive

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mchou:

d3ity: you sure you can build the libs w/o installing? :)

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d3ity:

mchou, ask evilDagmar, he just claims to have done it

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umdk1d3:

question: is there a way to make mythtv scan for video (avi files), almost similar to the music scan option?

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evilDagmar:

There should be something like nine-hundred lines of output in there

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evilDagmar:

...not just 72.

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d3ity:

jdefj

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evilDagmar:

You sure you didn't hit ctrl-C or something and stop it?

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mchou:

d3ity: I have my doubts. Dagmar recommends everyone get at least 500hrs of storage for myth until I pointed out there are about 2000 hrs/yr if you work 40 hr wks :)

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evilDagmar:

I mean, the logfile mechanism is *damn* simple. All it does is { sh $cmdfile ; echo $? > $kludge ; } 2>&1 | tee -a $outfile

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mchou:

d3ity: with advice like that you wont need enemies :)

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evilDagmar:

This is not exactly a super-complex invocation of bash

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d3ity:

mchou, but I won't run out of drivespace

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mchou:

d3ity: lol, true enough

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d3ity:

and it's not like I don't already have the hardware

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mchou:

d3ity: notice he asks you how much space you've got in /tmp :)

[04:48:15]

d3ity:

I've got over 2TB on this box, space is not a problem

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Gumby:

does anyone here use nuvexport (or transcode) and have it show that the % goes over 100% and just keeps going? if so does anyone have any idea why that might be.

[04:48:26]

mchou:

d3ity: hehe

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evilDagmar:

Gumby: Because those numbers aren't reliable in the least. Known bug.

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Gumby:

I'm using nuvexport --transcode and choosing xvid

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Gumby:

evilDagmar: shouldnt it stop at some point though? it at like 600% and is still going. the output file is larger than the input file

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mchou:

Gumby: haha!!

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evilDagmar:

Gumby: In theory it should

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Agrajag-:

Gumby: yeah when i've used nuvexport those numbers are *way* off

[04:49:42]

Gumby:

Ive seen them be off before but not this much

[04:50:12]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: If you were expecting me to be seeing whatever drivel mchou types, you'll be disappointed.

[04:50:18]

Gumby:

I dont usuallt use VBR though. maybe thats it

[04:50:31]

evilDagmar:

He *stays* in my ignore list from frequent bouts of dementia and excess trolling.

[04:50:39]

Gumby:

evilDagmar: lol

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mchou:

evilDagmar is a legend in his own mind

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d3ity:

ah, wow, it hasn't been since usenet that I've seen such an aggregious declaration of plonk

[04:51:17]

d3ity:

that was a long time ago.

[04:51:28]

d3ity:

anyway, I don't really care. I just want my shit to work

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mchou:

d3ity: bingo!

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d3ity:

ASAP, as this computer has to be packed up and ready to go tonight

[04:51:52]

mchou:

d3ity: forget about it

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Gumby:

oh wow. I had marinaded steak for dinner and I was just picking my teeth with my tongue and got a very large piece of garlic

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d3ity:

tasty

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d3ity:

wait, did gumby have teeth?

[04:52:09]

Gumby:

kinda overpowering

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mchou:

Gumby: tastier the 2nd time around

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Gumby:

d3ity: Im not an exact replica

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Gumby:

in fact, I cant even touch my toes

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d3ity:

heh

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umdk1d3:

is there a way to make mythtv scan for video (avi files), almost similar to the music scan option?

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Elmoe_:

Is it possible to have multiple mythfrontends running on the same machine using different configs but talking to the same backend?

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d3ity:

Elmoe_, sure. multiple desktops at work

[04:53:17]

d3ity:

now as for having them use seperate tuners? you'd need seperate backends for each afaik, but theres gotta be some sort of way you can fake that.

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Elmoe_:

d3ity: I run 2 mythfrontends as seperate users but they have the same config

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Gumby:

umdk1d3: I'm not sure if that is possible but mythvideo can use, I think its called browse mode, for listing videos within a directory. Its enabled in the settings in mythtv

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mchou:

Elmoe_: only if you log in as differnt users :)

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Agrajag-:

Elmoe_: just change the hostname for one of them

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Agrajag-:

(in the mythfrontend setup)

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d3ity:

Elmoe_, to have two diffrent channels? that'd require having one of them use a diffrent config file

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mchou:

Agrajag-: that by itself wont be enough

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d3ity:

yeah, what Agrajag- said

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Elmoe_:

Agrajag-: I'll give that a try

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Elmoe_:

the hostname is an arbitrary string?

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Agrajag-:

yeah

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Elmoe_:

Agrajag-: which setup menu is it under? in general I just see the hostname of the db server

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Elmoe_:

or are you saying that I need a seperate db to store the other frontends config in?

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defaultro:

good evening folks

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Agrajag-:

no.. somewhere you can manually set the hostname field. the config in the db is set by hostname, so you want to change the hostname of one of them

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evilDagmar:

Nope, just need to give each frontend it's own unique name so the db can store their configs separately

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Elmoe_:

Agrajag-: hrm

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Agrajag-:

Elmoe_: try ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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defaultro:

need some help guys, I've been away for 2 months from my mythtv. I want to upgrade it, am I correct that I should not get the trunk version? And where is the links for the svn too? Thanks

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Agrajag-:

Elmoe_: #LocalHostName=my-unique-identifier-goes-here

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Elmoe_:

Agrajag-: I have DBHostName, but thats the name of the db server to connect to

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evilDagmar:

LocalHostName != DBHostName

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defaultro:

am I correct that this will pull bleeding edge version, svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv

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Elmoe_:

that seemed to work

[05:00:16]

Elmoe_:

thanks guys

[05:00:26]

Elmoe_:

trying to get one frontend to use a different sound card

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umdk1d3:

Gumby: thanks for the heads up, but i cant seem to find it (looking thru menus or google searches)

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Gumby:

umdk1d3: lemme see if I can help....

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Gumby:

umdk1d3: mythfrontend->ultilities/setup->media settings/video settings

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Gumby:

oops.. ->general settings

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Gumby:

use the checkbox for "... browses files" for your default view

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umdk1d3:

I FOUND IT!! thank you sooo much Gumby :)

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Gumby:

glad to be of some help even if its little

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d3ity:

hey evilDagmar, Heres your error

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d3ity:

http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/s6Qe5i93.html

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d3ity:

how do I fix that.

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: not entirely sure. Lemme poke at the myth tarball a moment

[05:30:45]

evilDagmar:

It would be a little helpful to see the line above that that's creating the error condition tho

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SlicerDicer-:

hey xris

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, too bad your log doesn't contain it, and rxvt doesn't scrollback

[05:31:19]

SlicerDicer-:

the mythcommflag just finished haha

[05:31:28]

SlicerDicer-:

some of the videos have incorrect timestamps

[05:31:39]

d3ity:

your log cuts out at just about the same place it did last time

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SlicerDicer-:

they say the video is like 8 mins long when its several hours?

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, I'm out of time anyway, I need myth working now

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defaultro:

hi SlicerDicer, finally, I moved to the new house

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SlicerDicer-:

hi defaultro

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

I will be ordering the HD channels so I can test your HOWTO

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SlicerDicer-:

:)

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SlicerDicer-:

I did some stranger stuff haha

[05:32:47]

SlicerDicer-:

I wrote a shell script

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defaultro:

cool

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SlicerDicer-:

nullfies alot

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defaultro:

i missed my mythbox so much

[05:33:09]

SlicerDicer-:

although since using the 0.20 SVN its running quite well

[05:33:19]

defaultro:

am installin 0.19–1 now

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: Dude the log DOES contain it

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SlicerDicer-:

but then again my script is still working hehe

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, really? cause it hasn't changed since my last paste.

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: I exploded my db somewhat

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defaultro:

.19–1 is ok right?

[05:33:50]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: Unless there's something severely wrong with your machine, those log files contain ALL the output from their various commands

[05:34:03]

d3ity:

evilDagmar, I don't know what to tell you. it's not there

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: you mind if I give you a call w/skype?

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: This isn't something I just hacked up yesterday. I've been using this code for about two years now. I've cranked out literally hundreds of packages with it

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defaultro:

hey mchou

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: just gonna try it out.....

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mchou:

hi defaultro

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defaultro:

finally moved to the new house :D

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mchou:

defaultro: congrats!

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defaultro:

thanks

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mchou:

defaultro: you like your new digs?

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defaultro:

digs?

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mchou:

place

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SlicerDicer-:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/WnQtYq40.html lol

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

yes

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, then I guess you should figure out what the problem is, because it's giving me nothing but headaches, which is something gnome build scripts/ prepackaged gnome has always done.

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SlicerDicer-:

thats my commflag

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defaultro:

but I hate the fricking builder, they ruined the wires I installed

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: You *are* looking at /tmp/DLG/LOGS/mythtv-0.somethinorotehr-1/make.txt, right?

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mchou:

defaultro: lol. what happened?

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: check the paste

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defaultro:

about 10 to 15 wires got cuts in them

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: Pastebin the configure.sh and make.sh from that directory

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defaultro:

looks like they pulled it very badly

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defaultro:

it was in the basement

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d3ity:

well, make.sh contains one word.

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d3ity:

which would be make

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: dude, you have way too much time on your hands

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defaultro:

I was finding a cat5 wire this morning in first floor and I couldn't find it anymore in the gang box

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evilDagmar:

OKay, that's as it shoud be

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: my database exploded

[05:36:57]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: I had my harddrive fill up

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SlicerDicer-:

corrupted part of the DB

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SlicerDicer-:

I am trying to recover that part

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SlicerDicer-:

its not working well

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d3ity:

http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Xasoct66.html

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mchou:

defaultro: so are you gonna rewire those?

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SlicerDicer-:

so I just slammed everything into the jobqueue

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mchou:

defaultro: the cut cables

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d3ity:

thats the configure.sh

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defaultro:

nope, just fish and reconnect those cuts with connectors

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SlicerDicer-:

tired of leaving terminal open

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mchou:

defaultro: sounds like a plan

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defaultro:

i'm so pissed off with them

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: Okay, I see something that's missing from there that shouldn't be which pertains specifically to x86–64. Lemme poke a the thing for a bit and see if I can't sort out why it's broken

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defaultro:

I already told them and they're going to take a look at it

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: lets try out skype man

[05:38:26]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: I caleed myself :)

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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mchou:

called*

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evilDagmar:

Oh. Doh. Now I know why it's broken. Just a moment

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, aye.

[05:39:08]

d3ity:

x86_64 has its own set of problems

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d3ity:

but, I gotta say, I love it

[05:39:16]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: Add --libdir=/usr/lib64 to the stuff in the configure invocation in that script

[05:39:32]

evilDagmar:

I *think* it will fix it, but the x86–64 libdir thing is just dangerously crude

[05:39:43]

evilDagmar:

I've not had time to look into permanently fixing it upstream yet

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defaultro:

am I correct that there are currently no broadcasting company in US that broadcast DTS

[05:40:40]

defaultro:

it's always DD

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: From the output there it looks like it's just not searching /usr/lib64 before /usr/lib like it's supposed to, but it's going to take some beatin' on to make that happen. That's what I'm poking at now

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defaultro:

mchou, next year June, I'm planning to do a long drive to YellowStone national Park. Heard that it's worth the travel

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: Scratch that, --libdir isn't going to do anything. Lemme look at one other thing here...

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: basically, we wanna wedge -L/usr/lib64 in there somehow

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evilDagmar:

Damn this is going to take a patch to settings.pro until the compiler itself gets fixed

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: Damn I don't think this is going to work well with the way Slamd64 has it's libraries set up

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evilDagmar:

There doesn't seem to be a clear way to dictate a new linking path to Myth's build scripts

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naegling23:

hello

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evilDagmar:

AHA

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: this *might* work. Edit /usr/share/qt/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf and change QMAKE_LIBDIR from null to /usr/lib64

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naegling23:

is there a mythplugins deb for ubuntu dapper, I cant get them manually installed

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: Part of the problem is that the compiler suite in slamd64 isn't quite doing what it should, that is, it's not looking in /usr/lib64 before looking in /usr/lib, and it really shoudlnt' have to be told to to that natively

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evilDagmar:

They've got some hacks in there to get around it and make it work, but until that fundamental thing is broken, compiling 64-bit code on that is going to be painful

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Juski:

naegling23: read the channel FAQ.. the Hamsta.net debs for mythtv on dapper are brilliant :)

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word:

naegling23: deb-src http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main

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word:

i don't remember why..but i ended up with those and hamsta.net's commented out..

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: ...but NOW you see why I'm still working with 32-bit binaries.

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Juski:

now you see why I'm still on a 32-bit CPU... no bloody major advantage to be had going to 64

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d3ity:

heh

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d3ity:

yeah, 64 bit is a pita, but well worth it imo

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word:

is there a 64 bit knoppmyth? :-/

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Juski:

nope

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word:

no reason indeed

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defaultro:

someone mentioned that there isn't really great different between 32bit and 64bit myth

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defaultro:

difference

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evilDagmar:

Juski: Well, it does shed about 6–8% efficiency overhead

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evilDagmar:

I'm just kinda irked that I might have to be the one to fix the compiler

[05:59:57]

evilDagmar:

That's sad.

[06:00:05]

evilDagmar:

I don't know C for shit

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defaultro:

so d3ity, can you please mention some great advantage of 64bit?

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evilDagmar:

My only edge is that I've built stuff from source on about 15 unix variants

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word:

anyone know if a masterbackend 450 mhz p3 378 mb ram could control 2 slave backends with a tuner each writing to a network mounted hd?

[06:00:54]

word:

the tuners being happauge 150's

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naegling23:

the suprm1 repository doesnt have the plugins, I already have mythtv up and running, Im looking for the plugins

[06:02:22]

word:

i just checked...mythplugins package..

[06:02:30]

word:

i checked before giving you those repositories..

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naegling23:

hey, those hamsta.net ones had it

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naegling23:

thanks! I still cant get the hang of installing things manually, this saves me a lot of frustration

[06:04:49]

word:

the suprm1 had them just so you know..but whatever..

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d3ity:

defaultro, more thoroughput. A real world example? I wrote a program in c++, the equivalent of superpi, x86_64 cuts the time just about in half compared to x86

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robbins876:

my guide isn't showing any channels, i think my zap2it subscription may have expired, what's the URL to find out?

[06:06:32]

naegling23:

everyone seemes to say that the suprm1's have them, but I had those devs, and could never get those files, weird, very weird, oh well, I have them now

[06:06:38]

word:

labs.zap2it.com i think..

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robbins876:

yeah, i just found that and it's not expired

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robbins876:

any reason why my guide would be empty? How do i reload it?

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asd26:

dudes having trouble with my remote with the new mythtv

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naegling23:

so, after I install these, do I have to run mythtv-setup, or a setup for each plugin, or will they just be there

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word:

naegling23: you mean those reps? yes, they ARE in there...

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defaultro:

so d3ity, what advantage can we gain using 64bit when playing the videos?

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word:

robbins876: tried running mythfilldatabase?

[06:07:22]

robbins876:

nope

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robbins876:

i will though

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d3ity:

defaultro, theoretically, encoding should be smoother.

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robbins876:

do i need to close the backend to do that?

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asd26:

# modprobe lirc_gpio

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word:

robbins876: nope

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robbins876:

nice

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defaultro:

k

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evilDagmar:

In theory, we should abandon software encoding

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d3ity:

basically it allows the passage of more data at once.

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evilDagmar:

:)

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defaultro:

so d3ity, is mythtv 64bit as stable as 32bit version?

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, pure hardware encoding would be nice

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d3ity:

defaultro, ask me that tomorrow, when I get it fully running.

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defaultro:

cool

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: This is what Hauppauge cards are for

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defaultro:

are you writing a howto though?

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d3ity:

this box was formerly 32 bit, so making the switch is taking a little while

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, I have one of these hauppage cards you speak of.

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word:

how much can a backend with hardware encoding handle? all it said in the docs was 'the requirements are significantly reduced' or something simmilar..

[06:09:23]

d3ity:

word, your processor isn't doing the video encoding, it's offloaded to your mpeg2 card.

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defaultro:

d3ity, I tried 64bit Dec 2005 but it kept failing during compile. I gave up

[06:09:26]

evilDagmar:

You could probably record on a 300Mhz machine with the proper Hauppague card, but I don't know why you'd want to

[06:09:28]

d3ity:

so your CPU is free to do other things.

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d3ity:

defaultro, 64 bit is picky.

[06:09:40]

d3ity:

you have to be willing to work with it

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defaultro:

do you have a guide

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naegling23:

wow, this is great, things are working finally, now if only I can configure my sound to work right....next step for later

[06:10:02]

defaultro:

I'm ok to work even at the tightest hole

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word:

so 450 mhz p3 and 378 mb + 2 slave backends tuners could technically have free time to commercial flag? lol

[06:10:13]

defaultro:

but that time, I didnt find any help

[06:10:13]

d3ity:

anyway. sleepytime for d3ity. I gotta be up and out the door by 8 AM tomorrow

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defaultro:

cool

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word:

lol

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asd26:

remotes are botch

[06:15:19]

asd26:

root@mythtv:~# modprobe lirc_gpio

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asd26:

FATAL: Error inserting lirc_gpio (/lib/modules/2.6.17-chw-8/misc/lirc_gpio.ko): Invalid request code

[06:15:47]

robbins876:

one more question... i have the theme in myth set to the MCE looking one, but the on screen EPG thing when you are actually watching TV, you know, the bar at the bottom of the screen, is not in the same theme... it's just gray, green and ugly

[06:15:53]

robbins876:

is there anyway to get that changed as well?

[06:16:53]

word:

eri'm not sure what you mean..hold on..

[06:17:09]

robbins876:

when you push down while you're watching TV

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robbins876:

to like scan channels without actually changing the channel

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word:

i'm about to check that..

[06:17:46]

evilDagmar:

robbins876: There's a third setting for the OSD theme

[06:17:54]

evilDagmar:

Keep poking around the menus and you'll find it

[06:18:11]

robbins876:

really? in frontend?

[06:18:28]

evilDagmar:

Yes

[06:19:02]

robbins876:

hmm... i'm in appearance settings and i dont' see it

[06:21:21]

robbins876:

any more help?

[06:22:40]

asd26:

anyone using DTV1000T remote?

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Agrajag-:

asd26: do you have multiple tuner cards? is it loading it for the wrong one? if so, use card=N. otherwise lirc_gpio probably isn't the module you want.

[06:24:01]

asd26:

Agrajag- it's just an old one using for the remote

[06:24:10]

asd26:

it worked in the last mythtv

[06:24:36]

asd26:

i have two DTV and one analogy card..the analogy card is the one i'm trying to get the remote

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-slackware-linux/bin /ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libGL.so when searching for -lGL

[06:24:56]

d3ity:

/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-slackware-linux/bin /ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libstdc++.so when searching for -lstdc++

[06:24:56]

d3ity:

/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-slackware-linux/bin /ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libstdc++.a when searching for -lstdc++

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Gumby:

lol @ analogy card

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Agrajag-:

yeah i have a similar setup. pass card=N to it

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d3ity:

thats the error

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Agrajag-:

d3ity can you not do that, use pastebin

[06:25:38]

Agrajag-:

asd26: as in try modprobe lirc_gpio card=0/1/2

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asd26:

geting same error

[06:26:36]

Agrajag-:

for all 3?

[06:26:52]

asd26:

its pixelview play tv pro 9D

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Agrajag-:

i have 2 dvb cards and an analogue too, i have to do modprobe lirc_gpio card=1

[06:27:45]

asd26:

root@mythtv:~# modprobe lirc_gpio card=1

[06:27:48]

asd26:

FATAL: Error inserting lirc_gpio (/lib/modules/2.6.17-chw-8/misc/lirc_gpio.ko): Invalid request code

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Agrajag-:

asd26: is there anything extra in dmesg?

[06:28:24]

Agrajag-:

asd26: have you tried card=2?

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Agrajag-:

(is the card working?)

[06:28:50]

asd26:

The bttv_* interface is obsolete and will go away,

[06:29:15]

asd26:

lirc_gpio (-1): cannot detect TV card nr 0!

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Agrajag-:

i guess try 3 as well then

[06:30:02]

Agrajag-:

are you sure your analogue tvcard device exists?

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d3ity:

Agrajag-, didn't think it was more than 4 lines, my bad

[06:30:23]

asd26:

mabe it not detecting

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robbins876:

how do you change the OSD theme?

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d3ity:

hey evilDagmar, heres the full output that I can give you of the error

[06:31:32]

d3ity:

http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/phRWbj50.html

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: It's lines 4–6 of that that tell me this is a lib64 problem

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, so how might I fix this lib64 problem. I did the --libdir=/usr/lib64

[06:33:00]

d3ity:

and it's still spitting it back at me

[06:33:03]

asd26:

i think i know the problem

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: I said awhile back that myth's configure script ignores --libdir. You need to get it to change it's library search path somehow, usually with -L/usr/lib64 but I can't find a clean way to do it without making a patch to change settings.pro

[06:34:03]

evilDagmar:

I'm also not completely sure about how well the thing did the Qt build, because if the lib64 isues

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d3ity:

qt seems to work fine

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robbins876:

evil> where should i see teh OSD theme thing, because i dont' see it anywhere

[06:34:39]

asd26:

i think gpio links with bttv

[06:34:57]

asd26:

but bt878 driver loads it first which makes it incompatiable

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d3ity:

so myth ignores libdir, the thing is, /usr/lib/libGL.so is a symlink to /usr/lib64/libGL.so.1.0.8774 blah

[06:35:14]

asd26:

so i'll just remove bt878 from the driver

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asd26:

etc/modules

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Agrajag-:

asd26: the bt878 driver loads what first?

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d3ity:

so it all "should" work

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asd26:

bt878 claims the card

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Agrajag-:

asd26: you should have the bttv modules loaded first, so that your card is working. then load the lirc_gpio module

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Agrajag-:

asd26: yeah it's supposed to

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asd26:

some how bt878 is incompatiable with gpio

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Agrajag-:

asd26: no i don't think so. my analogue card is bt878, and i load lirc_gpio after that's up.

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asd26:

geting the same problem ..mmm

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robbins876:

anyone know how to change the OSD theme? I can't find anything on google about it... i would think it should be simple, but i can't find anything

[06:39:08]

Juski:

robbins876: within the tv playback menu in the settings pages (in mythfrontend)

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Agrajag-:

asd26: make sure the card is working first

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asd26:

bttv is all i need right?

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Juski:

robbins876: next time look in the mythtv wiki

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Gumby:

mythfrontend->utils/setup->setup->tv settings->playback->9th page very top OSD Theme

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Agrajag-:

i dont konw, i dont have the same card as you. just make sure it's working with myth or tvtime or mplayer or whatever first.

[06:41:24]

Gumby:

speaking of OSD themes, I need to find me a better one

[06:41:38]

Juski:

again, look in the wiki

[06:42:04]

Gumby:

already there

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, what do you suggest I do at this point?

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d3ity:

or anyone else who cares to interject

[06:42:45]

Juski:

give up & use 32 bit?

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Gumby:

hrm, wiki shows that MythCenter OSD theme is in 0.19 yet I dont have it.

[06:42:54]

asd26:

remote is working

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Juski:

Gumby: prolly only on the homepage of that ghastly theme

[06:43:58]

d3ity:

Juski, that would completley defeat the purpose here.

[06:44:03]

d3ity:

the purpose is to get it to work

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Juski:

lol

[06:44:24]

Juski:

sure you have all the right headers?

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asd26:

bttv card=72

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asd26:

is my card

[06:45:04]

d3ity:

Juski, as far as I can tell, yes. mythtv compiled fine two days ago.

[06:45:47]

d3ity:

any chance svn would help out with it?

[06:46:23]

Juski:

no idea

[06:46:35]

Juski:

time to head out to work

[06:46:37]

d3ity:

i swear to god it's gonna be this fucked up qt.

[06:50:08]

robbins876:

how do you get the channel icons in the guide and OSD?

[06:50:50]

evilDagmar:

d3ity: It may well be. I told you I can't be sure it built Qt in line with the way Slamd64 expects things to happen

[06:51:10]

evilDagmar:

...and personally, if you're not kidding me about the truncated log files, something else is *very* wrong with that machine

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Gumby:

Juski: which OSD theme do you use?

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word:

anyone know of a current and n00b friendly tutorial? my older bro wants to set it up on his comp..and i can't be bothered to walk over there and run through a 5 month old tut again ><

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robbins876:

is it possible to run backend without having a terminal screen open?

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asd26:

i hope this new mythtv doesn't crash like the other one did

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word:

robbins876: /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start ?

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, i shit you not on the truncation of the logs. I'm rebuilding qt right now from source, the way it should be installed, and then I'm going from there.

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robbins876:

is there a way i can make that launch at startup, word?

[06:55:49]

word:

distro?

[06:55:59]

robbins876:

FC5

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d3ity:

evilDagmar, anyway, have I proved that dropline is not the perfect solution to everything yet?

[06:56:29]

word:

robbins876: not fammilar with it :-/ but it's in system services under kubuntu if you can find the equivalant for fedora

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evilDagmar:

d3ity: No, because you're still shooting your mouth off about something you don't understand

[07:02:05]

evilDagmar:

The engine builds everything fine, when a compiler toolchain works correctly.

[07:02:14]

evilDagmar:

Yours doesn't. Expect problems.

[07:03:50]

evilDagmar:

It's also not helping that Qt is fairly cockeyed. Diffie actually builds slamd64 packages of Dropline using the same scripts, as they were designed

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robbins876:

why is it that when i push a button in IRW it shows the key press like 2–3 times instead of 1?

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** d3ity sighs. **

[07:05:34]

d3ity:

evilDagmar, I give up. dropline has never worked for me, so I choose not to use it.

[07:05:52]

d3ity:

anyway.

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evilDagmar:

It's not like you're using it now.

[07:08:01]

evilDagmar:

...and apparently slamd64 isn't workin' out so well for you, either.

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word:

robbins876: that's normal remote behaviour lirc has a setting so you can set it so 3 times = one press

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asd26:

my butten 2..is using up and 2..lol

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asd26:

where is the other lirc hiding?

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asd26:

anyone?

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word:

the tutorial i followed...told me to put lirc in 7 different places and i'm pretty sure only one of them is right :P

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asd26:

this is strong..4 uses 4 and left

[07:21:09]

robbins876:

alright, i want to make my computer go to sleep when i clost out of mythTV... is there a way to do it?

[07:21:21]

evilDagmar:

Yep

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Juski:

Gumby: I dunno. I use AN OSD theme. Doesn't make much difference to me since I don't use livetv

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robbins876:

any help, evil?

[07:25:19]

Juski:

robbins876: you wanna make your computer shutdown when you leave mythfrontend, so you miss recordings that might be coming up? lol

[07:26:24]

Juski:

if a frontend is just a frontend you get an 'exit & shutdown' option

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robbins876:

no, no, no...

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Juski:

so what then?

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robbins876:

i want it to have it lock my computer

[07:26:43]

robbins876:

like go to a blank screen

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robbins876:

so i can exit out of myth and go to sleep

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Juski:

erm.. turn the monitor off

[07:27:06]

robbins876:

so i don't have to get up and turn off the monitor

[07:27:07]

robbins876:

that's the problem

[07:27:19]

Juski:

you lazy, lazy person

[07:27:19]

robbins876:

i like to fall asleep with the tv on, and don't want to get up to turn it off

[07:27:35]

robbins876:

lazy?

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Juski:

you have a nightlight too? :-P

[07:27:37]

robbins876:

yes, very

[07:27:45]

robbins876:

no night lights in here

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word:

my tv turns off after a bit with a black screen..

[07:28:43]

Juski:

you could enable DPMS I suppose.. then linux will blank the screeb when a recording finsihes playing (after a timeout)

[07:28:56]

Juski:

no good if you leave it in livetv though

[07:29:17]

DGnome:

doesnt mythtv have a timer?

[07:29:19]

Juski:

someone asked in the mythtvtalk forums about a sleep timer

[07:29:40]

Juski:

I didn't answer that since they could've just RTFM

[07:30:10]

Juski:

I think it's only in SVN though

[07:30:11]

DGnome:

the menu displyed after pressing 'M' has a sleep thingie..

[07:30:22]

Gumby:

robbins876: if you enable dpms in your xorg.conf your monitor will shut off after a certain amount of time. using this with the sleep feature of mythtv should do what you want it to do. mythtv disables dpms so when the sleep timer runs out it will be re-enabled and then the monitor should shutoff in 10 mins or so

[07:30:27]

robbins876:

what does the timer do?

[07:30:36]

degreseven:

i can't get mythfrontend to connect to the backend server running on the same machine (says check ip in setup program). I have tried everything i can think of, but it won't connect. can anyone help me?

[07:31:20]

Gumby:

degreseven: is /home/username/.mythtv/mysql.txt edited? is the backend running?

[07:32:04]

Juski:

robbins876: what does it do? try it out & see!

[07:33:25]

robbins876:

will do

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word:

robbins876: i'm going to venture a guess that it does something simmilar to a sleep timer on a tv..since livetv is sorta 'emulating' a tv...

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robbins876:

i understand that much, but after the timer runs out, what happens?

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word:

your tv explodes

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Juski:

don't guess. try it out..

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robbins876:

my tv explodes? are you serious?

[07:34:20]

Juski:

the lameness of the questions I've seen here over the last few days surpasses everything I've ever seen you guys

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robbins876:

well, i bring crazy news... steve "crocodile hunter" irwin was attacked and killed by a stingray

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Gumby:

whoops

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Gumby:

robbins876: that is so 90 minutes ago

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Juski:

robbins876: that's nice. looking fwd to the 1st bad taste jokes already

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Juski:

is there video of it on youtube yet?

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Gumby:

Juski: his family is safer for it

[07:36:10]

Juski:

Gumby: yeh prolly. I could never stand the bloke. he was a nutter

[07:36:20]

Gumby:

he was entertaining. hehe

[07:36:32]

Gumby:

in a car accident sort of way

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robbins876:

it was a matter of time

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word:

but..you have to think..he wasnt all that bad of a guy

[07:37:28]

word:

he may have been overly confident.. under protective..and crazy...but he wasn't a -bad guy-

[07:37:35]

evilDagmar:

He was just dangerously insane

[07:37:40]

word:

exactly

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evilDagmar:

It's very telling that CNN's third bullet-pointed story on him headlines "Irwin escaped workplace safety charges"

[07:39:46]

ShockValue:

anyone know where i might get my hands on some old 1u servers (old = cheap :)

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Gumby:

haha, I checked out stingray on wikipedia and at the top is the following.. "Due to recent vandalism, editing of this article by anonymous or newly registered users is temporarily disabled."

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word:

ShockValue: ebay? :-/

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evilDagmar:

ShockValue: Trash bins outside companies with machine rooms

[07:40:55]

evilDagmar:

Rackable stuff tends to not be thrown out until it's very, very obsolete

[07:41:06]

ShockValue:

yeah, cheap 1u servers on ebau.. with crazy expensive shipping :)

[07:41:29]

ShockValue:

25 bucks for a 300mhz 1u.. 75 buck shipping! heh

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word:

heh

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Gumby:

excellent. this last transcode actually stopped unlike thel ast one that I halted at over 600% complete

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word:

w00t

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robbins876:

man... fucking steve irwin

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d3ity:

w00t. qt compiled correctly once I tweaked the makefile a bit

[08:03:45]

d3ity:

robbins876, yeah

[08:03:56]

d3ity:

robbins876, stingray got him

[08:04:08]

d3ity:

robbins876, I always figured it'd be the eluuuuuuuuuusive viopah.

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lupin_sansei:

Hello, I'm new to myth. Is there a way to automatically turn certain recordings into divx in the background?

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asd26:

x is taking 70% of the CPU!!

[08:08:29]

asd26:

?

[08:09:09]

qu0zl:

lupin_sansei, check out the transcode settings. The online docs should explain it (I hope)

[08:09:28]

lupin_sansei:

I have a DVB card that records mpg streams

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lupin_sansei:

Does that complicate it?

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qu0zl:

no, it can transcode mpeg2 into mpeg4

[08:10:09]

qu0zl:

divx is a type of mpeg4.

[08:10:14]

lupin_sansei:

oka

[08:10:14]

lupin_sansei:

y

[08:11:16]

lupin_sansei:

On the "Schedule Manually" page in MythWeb is it just a matter of changing the Transcoder drop down from "Auto Detect" to "High Quality" or something?

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qu0zl:

lupin_sansei, read the docs :)

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lupin_sansei:

Is this it http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.14 ?

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qu0zl:

yep

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qu0zl:

lupin_sansei, if you want more transcode options you could use vlc on the mpeg2 file

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qu0zl:

that can transcode into pretty much anything

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qu0zl:

except i guess the microsoft video formats

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lupin_sansei:

I was really just curious what that drop down was for in Schedule Manually?

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qu0zl:

no idea, i'd guess that effects the bitrate and other quality related settings it's transcoded at

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degreseven:

i cant get mythfrontend to connect to the backend server running on the same machine. error says check ip in setup program, but it is just set to 127.0.0.1. can anyone help me?

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qu0zl:

but that's a total guess

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lupin_sansei:

oh well, only one way to find out – try it

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Hoxzer:

:o I cannot find mod_env.co :((8

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Hoxzer:

>:/

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Hoxzer:

Miksi TAAs

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cute_bettong:

is there any here that can help me set up mythtv for watching and recording tv useing my ati radeon all in wonder?

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cute_bettong:

i use ubuntu with gnome as my os

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Merlin83b:

Have you tried following the howto, cute_bettong?

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cute_bettong:

howto where do you have a link?

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Merlin83b:

Erm, mythtv.org then click on documentation.#

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Merlin83b:

Good place to start!

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cute_bettong:

there is nothing there for ubuntu

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elfranger:

Hi again, all. I am running around the forum on mysettopbox.tv looking for how I could get a larger font. I have been in Settings and selected the font size, but when I go to media laibrary, the font size is still so small I can hardly make out what ist says...

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evilDagmar:

Hoxzer: It actually doesn't hurt to spend 3–4 hours learning about Apache before you try to make MythWeb go

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evilDagmar:

elfranger: Check the MythTV Wiki for the "DisplaySize" article

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evilDagmar:

It sounds like your DPI setting isnt correct

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elfranger:

great, will do. Thank you

[08:49:35]

elfranger:

ok, I have been on the wiki, but when I run the command to check the dpi, I get an error

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evilDagmar:

If the DPI isn't 100, some of the fonts come out abominably small, no matter what you do.

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evilDagmar:

You have to run it with the display up, as the user running the display

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evilDagmar:

This is why I was saying to read the other night

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evilDagmar:

The very first line in that entry says "with the display running"

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elfranger:

ah, meaning not ssh'ing to the computer...

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Ruleke:

you could do...

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evilDagmar:

Well, you could do it over ssh if you'd disabled X security, but let's not do something like that

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evilDagmar:

Heh

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Ruleke:

you could do it locally

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elfranger:

ok

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elfranger:

but, I see nothing on wiki about "with the display running" am I on the wrong place?

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Ruleke:

if X is running, you could do something like log in to the commandline with the same user, then do : "export DISPLAY=:0 ; xhost + ; <command>"

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Ruleke:

replacing <command> with whatever you want to run on the display

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elfranger:

trying, hang on

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elfranger:

that did nothing.. Maybe I should just wait an do it locally. Feeling I am pushing my luck with all my stupid questions

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evilDagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . rect_this.3F

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evilDagmar:

Just do it locally

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elfranger:

yup, will do

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evilDagmar:

CTRL-ALT-Fn to another vt

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evilDagmar:

Note that the word "DisplaySize" in that section is blue because it links to a much more detailed page explaining exactly what to set that to

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elfranger:

ah, that totally missed my eyes... hehe

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evilDagmar:

I tried to make the DisplaySize page as detailed and clear about things as humanly possible.

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evilDagmar:

You can usually tell when I've been at a wiki because technical stuff is suddenly bold and/or italics every third word.

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elfranger:

It sure looks very good indeed.. Got an answer to my next question instantly..

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elfranger:

I have two 9" wide monitors in my car, and next I will try to hook up my mythtv laptop in my car

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elfranger:

and it says clearly how to set 16:9 format

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elfranger:

some days ago, I got a tip in here to what remote I should get... Can't remember the name though...

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evilDagmar:

Well, it also shows how to work out the numbers for whatever resolution you want to use

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evilDagmar:

...mainly because ther'es a lot of TFT panels out there with just wacktarded measurements

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evilDagmar:

I've seen one that was notively 1450 pixels across

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evilDagmar:

I think they got that number out of a hat

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evilDagmar:

Hardware scaling built into panels always looks blurry it seems, excepting at very low resolutions

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evilDagmar:

For awhile, Dell had a big problem with people returning their notebooks with the expensive WUXGA displays because folks were setting them to 1280x1024 instead of the 1900xgod_knows_what they were supposed to be, and getting a blurry picture instead of the sharp one they were expecting

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evilDagmar:

On some of their "TV panels" the EDID response contains just *one* entry to keep Windows from being confused and letting people pick resoltuions that look bad

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Juski:

are there any _affordable_ tv panels with true 16:9 ratio native resolutions yet?

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evilDagmar:

*snort*

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evilDagmar:

Why don't you ask for guilt-free Catholicism while you're at it

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Juski:

by 'affordable' I mean < £2500

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

I'd settle for hypocrysy-free though

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knoppMythNewbie:

Anybody know the default "Port the server runs on"?

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evilDagmar:

That was fun...

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Juski:

knoppMythNewbie: 6543. says so in the official mythtv wiki

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Juski:

or is it 6453? anyway it's in the wiki

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caitlin:

silly ffmpeg

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** caitlin tries recompiling it again **

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caitlin:

ubuntu can be a right pain sometimes

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Juski:

yeh usually right after installing it & discovering a feature you want has been crippled

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caitlin:

yup

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caitlin:

i might move back to gentoo.

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caitlin:

i can't get ffmpeg to work for Xvid

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caitlin:

or DivX, it's all "disabled" when i run nuvexport

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Juski:

someone pointed me at a good blog about making ffmpeg do your own bidding (as opposed to 'theirs')

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Juski:

I think it was tonytiger's blog...

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caitlin:

confflags += --enable-xvid

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elfranger:

anyone else had a problem when starting a movie, there is no sound. But after going to music and sound comes, sound from video is ok too?

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caitlin:

i'm pretty sure that should "enable" "xvid"

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caitlin:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=108255

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caitlin:

i'm looking at that

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Juski:

caitlin: I think I got around it just by enabling 'everything'. certainly didn't do any harm

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evilDagmar:

I think he means he's going to stop telling girls in bars that he's a musician.

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evilDagmar:

...or maybe it's guys in bars.

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evilDagmar:

You can never tell about that sort of thing.

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caitlin:

processed: 0 of 0 frames (0.00%), 0.00 fps that sort of looks wrong

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caitlin:

does this thing count the frames before starting, or have i done something silly?

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Kelerion:

morning all

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simcop2387:

yay! got joystick working with mythtv

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evilDagmar:

I still think that's a weird remote

[12:19:06]

evilDagmar:

caitlin: Actually, it's just mad.

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evilDagmar:

caitlin: Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it's transcoding god only knows what and will go way past the end of whatever you were transcoding.

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simcop2387:

evilDagmar: tell that to someone without a remote :)

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evilDagmar:

simcop2387: I was one of those people without a remote, and then I spent $30 for a high-powered serial transciever and $12.79 for a One4All PVR remote

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evilDagmar:

I could have gone cheaper on the transciever, but I wanted to make sure I wouldn't have to run IR blaster cords around

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evilDagmar:

So far, it's working out fine.

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caitlin:

heh, yeh, it's doing 308 of 0 frames now

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caitlin:

crazy

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evilDagmar:

I have the thing plugged into the *back* of the machine, don't have anything remotely like line of sight to it, or it to the TV, and it all works

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simcop2387:

i have $6 in my savings account right now i can't afford a remote

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evilDagmar:

caitlin: JJust check back on it in a few (4–6) hours to make sure it's not going berzerk and filling the disk

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simcop2387:

i had a Creative DVD Infra something or other remote, the "credit card" sized remote, but i've lost the remote itself

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evilDagmar:

I know the guys who do nuvexport tried really hard, but they made something that I consider fundamentally unreadable

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evilDagmar:

...otherwise I'd be trying to fix it

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evilDagmar:

simcop2387: That you have $6 in your account should be impetus to be finding a job

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simcop2387:

no time, in college

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evilDagmar:

Oh yes there is.

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evilDagmar:

There's pizza you can deliver.

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simcop2387:

then i wouldn't have time to watch tv

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evilDagmar:

...if you have a working vehicle that is. Pizza delivery hours tend to be rather flexible most of the time

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evilDagmar:

They're great for picking up extra money

[12:24:56]

evilDagmar:

I'm no stranger to sitting around being financially underachieveing tho

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simcop2387:

heh

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evilDagmar:

Just so long as you're doing *something* productive in your spare time

[12:25:19]

evilDagmar:

Studying counts, in my book.

[12:25:36]

evilDagmar:

After the dot com crash I pretty much idled for almost two years I was so bummed out

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simcop2387:

evilDagmar: working on a video game, studying, porn, watching tv, porn, video games, porn, etc.

[12:25:50]

evilDagmar:

Chop out one or two of those "porn" entries from your todo list

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simcop2387:

:)

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evilDagmar:

It's not like you can watch it all, and there'll still be more when you get back to it

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simcop2387:

bah i must see all the porn on the internet!

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evilDagmar:

Spanking it is a VERY unproductive way to spend your time

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caitlin:

what a delightful conversation

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evilDagmar:

...especially internet porn, since it's effectively bottomless (haha no pun intended)

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simcop2387:

nah i don't look at porn that much but it does make for a fun todo list

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evilDagmar:

caitlin: Hey, if someone lists their daily activities, and "porn" is in there three times, as a coadmin for a dialup porn site I feel it's my duty to point out that this isn't healthy

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evilDagmar:

well former coadmin

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evilDagmar:

That was back in the early 90's.

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laga:

interesting job

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caitlin:

hah, you're a pr0n lord?

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simcop2387:

heh

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evilDagmar:

What killed it for me and the guy running the site was that we had the bright idea to categorize it

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caitlin:

actually last place i work, one of the girls was running several porn and "accessory" website and doing "quite well" out of it

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evilDagmar:

It turns out there's only so many pairs of titties you can look at before you're tired of it

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evilDagmar:

Whoda thought

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simcop2387:

thats why you get your users to do it for you

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simcop2387:

make it a game

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caitlin:

boobs arn't all that

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evilDagmar:

Like three months after that the sysop just shut down the site. heh

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caitlin:

running down stairs--

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evilDagmar:

Ah this was all free and a hobby site. People calling up on dialup and uploading pics and downloading pics

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evilDagmar:

We put together an indexer so users could basically do bulk transfers to sync their collections to his

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simcop2387:

heh

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evilDagmar:

It was after that that we got the idea to categorize them

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caitlin:

thats really really 'special'

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simcop2387:

nah mostly i end up studying all day, or relaxing when i can't take it anymore, right now i've got a sore throat and a fever

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evilDagmar:

No, "special" is the repair tech I used to know whose internet usage was a brief topic of discussion during a management meeting.

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caitlin:

mono probably

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evilDagmar:

Something bad happened and I had to audit the use logs, and it looked like basically he was going home in the evening, eating dinner, and then browsing porn from about 7:30–8:00pm to 1–2am every night

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evilDagmar:

Not against the AUP since those were after office hours, but jesus... I wanted so badly to tell him to get a hobby

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laga:

5–6h of porn? wow.

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evilDagmar:

EVERY night

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laga:

humm. better than dealing with PMS, though.

[12:33:10]

evilDagmar:

He had no gf

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evilDagmar:

...which frankly, I can see happening.

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evilDagmar:

Maybe if he ever left the HOUSE in the evenings

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evilDagmar:

Yay time for me to leave the office

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Dibblah:

Okay. I'm trying to find a place from which this conversation appears on-topic. I'm failing dismally.

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evilDagmar:

Remember kids: Porn is only fun in moderation. More than that and you're a sick, twisted pervery!

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Dibblah:

Everything in moderation.

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Dibblah:

Especially moderation.

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evilDagmar:

...including moderation

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caitlin:

ban pr0n

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laga:

no.

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Juski:

re

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Juski:

ban the pr0n? oh noes!

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laga:

never.

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Juski:

you know how I've been a bit cranky lately? expect it to get much worse before it gets better.

[12:47:52]

Juski:

giving up nicotine next week

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Merlin83b:

Blimey.

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Merlin83b:

Good choice though, Juski.

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Merlin83b:

Good luck with it.

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

needs more than luck

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laga:

i've said that before, too. often. will try again this year, though

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Juski:

btw laga yeh I saw that ticket. pity it's closed now

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Juski:

dunno wtf that was about

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Juski:

left with the impression that someone thinks the visualisation is good enough already so why bother improving it...

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laga:

the guy gave the impression he wanted to discuss it. the ML is a better place for that .)

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Juski:

not a better place.. is THE place to discuss it :)

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laga:

see.. ;)

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Juski:

I read it in a hurry

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Juski:

you know how it goes.. like people following the mythtv docs.. quick skim.. miss pertinent info... ;-)

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laga:

getting shot at in here.. same old story

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simcop2387:

caitlin: i doubt its mono, theres nowhere i could have caught it really

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Kabutor:

did mythtv compiles fine with gcc 4.1 ?

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e1ven:

While I'm sure this is asked often, I can't find it in a FAQ-- Is there a public facing backend someplace (using PD videos, or such), that can be used for testing?

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Dibblah:

e1ven: No.

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e1ven:

Fair enough. I assumed as much, bandwidth concerns, and all, but I figured I'd ask.

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GreyFoxx:

Actually,that's the firsttime in 3 years I've seen that asked :)

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e1ven:

Heh. Fair enough.

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laga:

well, hoxzer asked, too. multiple times....

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GreyFoxx:

I guess I never saw that. I tended to ignore him pretty quickly :)

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Kabutor:

and the gcc 4.1 question? :D

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jams:

works fine

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Kabutor:

thx

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jams:

gcc version 4.1.1

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simcop2387:

i always thought about setting up a public backend, but the bandwidth requirements for people getting at the videos would be enourmous

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Kabutor:

Im about to update the server in my house, and found some programs did not compile properly with gcc 4.1.1 so Im just asking

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Juski:

laga: I used to be all for changing the status quo, but where's the fun in that?

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Juski:

no matter what anyone does there's always gonna be stupid people

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caitlin:

simcop2387, what if you have a colo?

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caitlin:

i've got a colo :P

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simcop2387:

a colo?

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simcop2387:

oh i see

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caitlin:

colocated server, in an isp

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simcop2387:

maybe if i could afford the bandwidth

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GreyFoxx:

Most colos also charge for bandwidth

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caitlin:

mine is all freeeeeeee

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simcop2387:

lucky

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** caitlin eats all the internets.... yummy **

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simcop2387:

how much storage space?

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GreyFoxx:

So is mine, but you wont see me giving up that kind free bandwidth

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caitlin:

uh, 50 gig :( not alot.. but i could just put more disks in

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Juski:

and right now the myth protocol isn't secure AFAIK, so that'd bring its own 'fun' to the party

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caitlin:

is the mythprotocol the bit that makes the frontend talk to the backend?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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simcop2387:

also i think it'd be hard to get cable to a colo for recording :)

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GreyFoxx:

HEhe Actually I have one

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GreyFoxx:

My box has a pvr150 in it

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simcop2387:

your colo box?

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Juski:

just google for mythweb.. plenty machines out there

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GreyFoxx:

Yup, but I also work there :)

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simcop2387:

Juski: hehe good point

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simcop2387:

GreyFoxx: heh that helps i think

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GreyFoxx:

and the connection between work and my home ISP rocks,I get 10mbit all the time and have on occasion streamed stuff from the office to home to watch

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simcop2387:

if my parents and i had fast enough connections between our houses i'd setup our mythboxes to share recordings but its rather hard to do with 30kb/s max bandwidth

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caitlin:

i know we have a tv licence in this building, but i dunno about access to an antenna

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simcop2387:

in the UK?

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null:

Hello. Anyone with an idea why I get static audio on tuner1 of a PVR-500 but not on tuner0 and not when I'm using mplayer? If I'm using mythtv and the error occurs I can just execute ivtvctl -q 0 -d /dev/video1 and everything is fine, but it's not really a solution...

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e1ven:

Hrmm.. Is it possible to have chained Backends? So that Frontend A points to Backend A, which then points to Backend B, etc? That way, the frontend doesn't need to change, but you can add multiple backend servers.

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caitlin:

i'm in the uk, yeh

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GreyFoxx:

elev: Myth also supports multiple backendsa

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laga:

e1ven: you can have one master backend server...

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GreyFoxx:

elev: I have 2 of them here

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simcop2387:

e1ven: no clue but i've hooked up two backends before as master and slave

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e1ven:

Perfect, thanks.

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Aid`:

hey fellas

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Aid`:

1

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Juski:

fellas? you mean this isn't the mythtv dating channel? damn

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Aid`:

:P ya whatever

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qu0zl:

Juski, that's #mythtv-dating

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qu0zl:

see you there!

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qu0zl:

suprisingly popular channel that :)

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Juski:

male, 34, seeks good looking, geeky linux expert wife to help get mythtv working and 'fun'

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qu0zl:

isn't getting mythtv working fun enough?

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Juski:

rofl

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laga:

heh

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laga:

look, someone in this room hasn't gotten bitter yet!

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Ruleke:

bit her ?

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Ruleke:

nvm me I'll go back to sleep

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Juski:

okay maybe getting myth working has something in common with fun activities.. like staying up very late at night

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laga:

Juski: "male, 19, with a running mythtv box offers help to good-looking grrls" ;)

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laga:

that would work even better...

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Zider:

steve irwin has died :(

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Aid`:

Avada Kedavra!

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Zider:

:P

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qu0zl:

it's how he would have wanted to go through Zider

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Zider:

qu0zl: yeah probably..

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qu0zl:

i always thought he'd come to a sticky end, but who'd have bet on a stingray!

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Juski:

laga: I think that 'someone in this room' has broken through the bitterness barrier, maybe only temporarily but hey

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Zider:

sticky?

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Aid`:

Juski: I got a question... how do i add multiple tv guide sources to mythtv?

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laga:

Juski: wait till nicotine deprivation kicks in

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qu0zl:

die of un-natural causes Zider, it's an expression. a weird one at that :)

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Juski:

laga: I'll try to keep out of here for a while then

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laga:

heh

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Zider:

qu0zl: mkay

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Juski:

Aid`: you added one tv guide source.. it's like that but with more

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Ruleke:

He was probably poking it with a stick though

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Ruleke:

in the eye

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laga:

Juski: just get a gag ball, there was a lot of teeth grinding when i tried it ;)

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Aid`:

Juski: then they'll all show up in the guide?

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Juski:

"look at this folks.. I bet if I grab him like this eetle really piss him off..."

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Juski:

Aid`: you can't combine them for one tuner input AFAIK

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Aid`:

AFAIK?

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Juski:

laga: who's to say I don't already own one? I'm married remember :-P

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laga:

Juski: EWAYTOOMUCHINFORMATION

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Aid`:

i thought you could add them manually to the mythtv dbase

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Kelerion:

you probably could if you use the command line options of mythfilldatabase... specifying the same sourceid for each one

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Aid`:

Kelerion: ok ill check it out

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Kelerion:

but it's more of an advanced thing to do... so backup your db first

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Kelerion:

and theres no guarantee

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Juski:

laga: lol. I never said it outright

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laga:

Juski: heh

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Kelerion:

plus.. it's called a "ball gag".. no a "gag ball"... but don't ask me how I know that.. lol

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Zider:

Kelerion: how do you know that?

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Juski:

how do you know that?

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Kelerion:

never you two mind.. your too young to know stuff like that.. lol

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Juski:

is it like a gimp mask?

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Kelerion:

nope

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Zider:

too young? I take that as a compliment :D

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Juski:

or is that just something you'd use to block off areas in a photograph?

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Kelerion:

it's like a ball with straps on that are tighted behind a persons head

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Kelerion:

tied

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Juski:

sounds like one'd make a great anniversary present

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Kelerion:

yeah.. get your grandparents one... they'll love it.. lol

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laga:

Kelerion: oops.

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caitlin:

it's buzzing in #mythtv-dating

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Juski:

funnily enough it's our 'leather' anniversary next month

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Kelerion:

woohoo! fun and games at the Juski household next month :)

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Zider:

leather&lace?

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qu0zl:

no leather&mace

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qu0zl:

proper s&m style

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Zider:

set us up the cam

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Juski:

I'

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Zider:

we get signal

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Juski:

I'll stream it over with mythstream

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Zider:

all your b&d are belongs to us

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Juski:

hmmm quite

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laga:

heh

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Juski:

yay! done reaming all those holes. god I get all the fun jobs here

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Juski:

fnar fnar

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Kelerion:

anyone know of anything that can rip a dvd and ignore any read errors? (say if the dvd was scratched)

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laga:

ball gags, reaming of holes... what's up with you today?

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Juski:

laga: just an ordinary monday here

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laga:

oh, right

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Juski:

and you wonder why I want to change jobs?

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Juski:

we move buildings a week on friday.... then after that, my working days will be 1 to 2 hours longer

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Kelerion:

I know dvdshrink under windows and even alcohol can do it... but can't find anything under linux

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Juski:

Kelerion: you can run dvdshrink under wine apparently

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Kelerion:

yup.. have done that before...

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Kelerion:

not really nice though

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Juski:

would dd not work?

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Kelerion:

not sure.. would have thought it'd fall over on read errors.. but am guessing

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laga:

dd_rescue?

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Juski:

trying to remember the ripping app I tried in umbongo the other week...

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Kelerion:

nevver heard of that one

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laga:

k9copy

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laga:

?

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laga:

not sure if that does anything fancy when it finds an error

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Juski:

it has plenty options though

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Juski:

I wouldn't think a linux app would be less flexible than a windows one

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Kelerion:

ok.. got 'em... thanks.. will give them a shot

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Juski:

or any less configurable.. I mean this is _linux_ we're talking about ;-)

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Kelerion:

true.. lol

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Juski:

bewilder you with options? (yes/no/maybe/I'mnotsure/never/all)

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Juski:

;)

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Juski:

./configure --enable-kitchen-sink

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Juski:

oops that's for ffmpeg

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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linuxddr_dodo:

Kelerion, K3B could rip dvd or mplayer... :)

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robbins876:

fucking croc hunter! DAMNIT, IRWIN!

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linuxddr:

lol

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robbins876:

why doesn't my mplayer plugin work anymore?

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robbins876:

it loads the videos in firefox, but won't play them there

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linuxddr:

robbins876, duh could i see the log i could maby help you..

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robbins876:

i don't even know how to get a log of that

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linuxddr:

robbins876, try running mplayer in command line and pastebin the output.. :)

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robbins876:

mplayer works fine

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robbins876:

just not in firefox

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linuxddr:

well

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linuxddr:

maby an firefox problem..

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linuxddr:

:)

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robbins876:

should i remove and reinstall firefox?

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linuxddr:

yea try this.. and will see. :)

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Zider:

robbins876: mplayerplug-in?

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robbins876:

zider> I have it installed, it loads the file, looks like it's going to work, says buffering and all that

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robbins876:

but never plays the file

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robbins876:

when you click play after the file is done buffering it says playing file, then really quick says stopped

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gonzzor:

robbins876: Is it like that for all type of files?

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naegling23:

hey everyone, what are the optimum video settings for the highest quality tv picture

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robbins876:

all file types, even mp3

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Kelerion:

laga, ddrescue seems pretty cool

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robbins876:

how do i tell where a program is installed?

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robbins876:

the program is gotmail

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jams:

which gotmail

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robbins876:

0.8.6–1

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Juski:

lol

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linuxddr:

hehe

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Juski:

that's one for bash.org

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Anduin:

robbins876: 'which gotmail' litterally

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robbins876:

what do you mean?

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jams:

type which gotmail

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robbins876:

oh

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robbins876:

wow, i'm an idiot

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caitlin:

:D

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robbins876:

anyone have gotmail working with kmail?

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mchou:

damn....frys has seagate 400GB on sale for $100

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awbassett:

I'm trying to install my hd3000 and when I attempt to run 'dtvsignal /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0' I receive the error: 'failed opening /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0'.

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awbassett:

I have checked '/dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0' and it does exist.

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awbassett:

I think it might be a udev issue, but i have no idea what i'm doing in that realm and didnt want to mess anything up

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awbassett:

anyone have any ideas?

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jams:

awbassett- permission problem on dvr0?

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awbassett:

thats what i think too, but even if i chmod 777 it, no dice

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linuxddr:

awbassett, did you tryied running with root ?

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awbassett:

linuxddr, yeah I tried it as root

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jams:

does your card need firmware loaded?

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awbassett:

yeah, i have put it in the proper place

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awbassett:

/lib/hotplug/firmware

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linuxddr:

awbassett, all the drivers are loaded for it ?

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Kelerion:

anything in /var/log/messages?

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linuxddr:

yea

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awbassett:

I posted this: http://pchdtv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8600#8600

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awbassett:

might be better than me posting all my logs

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awbassett:

as far as I can tell the drivers are loaded

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defaultro:

anyone seen slicerdicer?

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linuxddr:

awbassett, dmesg ?

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awbassett:

dmesg is in that post

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linuxddr:

oh ok

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linuxddr:

yea

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Kelerion:

when I see the work "alloc" I know I'm outta my league :)

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Kelerion:

word

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Krazylegz:

Hey kormoc.

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kormoc:

mornin

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linuxddr:

awbassett, why running i386 on your system just run 64 bit i think you have an k8 cpu..

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awbassett:

yeah i do, but some things don't work... w32codecs and flash

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linuxddr:

awbassett, ok and on ubuntu just run the istaller of macromedia with root.. and it will work..

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awbassett:

for 64bit?

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kormoc:

awbassett, you can run 32 bit programs on a 64 bit proc.

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linuxddr:

depends

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kormoc:

I run a 32 bit browser to get flash working, and I run a 32 bit version of mplayer to get the win 32 codecs working

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linuxddr:

if your system is compiled for the 2 arch 32/64 or just 64

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awbassett:

do you do the chroot 32 thing

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awbassett:

because if i'm going to be doing that i might as well run 32bit until everything works

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kormoc:

not at all

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kormoc:

no chroot at all on my box

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defaultro:

hey folks, how would I know which adapter to use for atscscan? Is there any tool that will much the number and the card?

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: its early!!!!!!!!!

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SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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defaultro:

hey bud

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defaultro:

i'm trying to recall how to find out which adapter maps to which card

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SlicerDicer-:

?

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SlicerDicer-:

what you mean

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SlicerDicer-:

firewire and you have 2 cards?

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mchou:

defaultro: why does it matter which card?

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defaultro:

this isn't firewire btw, When using atscscan, you have to supply adapter number because I have multiple cards

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SlicerDicer-:

plug something in run plugreport bobs your uncle you know what one is what

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh haha

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

I will do the firewire next week

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linuxddr:

do you have firewire on your kernel config ??

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linuxddr:

'cause if not it will never work..

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defaultro:

yes, firewire is working with no issues :)

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kormoc:

defaultro, do they map to lspci at all?

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linuxddr:

ok

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defaultro:

i will check kormoc

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defaultro:

I just want to rerun atscscan to make sure I'm getting the local HD from my cable provider

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defaultro:

i just moved to the new house and I am not getting them anymore

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mchou:

defaultro: that's cause your cable has been cut

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defaultro:

so i want to run atscscan and azap

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defaultro:

mchou, i have a new cable :)

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

no no no, I have tons of coaxial, some aren't affected

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defaultro:

i'm using the not affected wires

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defaultro:

i just want to know which card maps to what adapter

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defaultro:

i've got a 0 and a 1

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mchou:

defaultro: dude, it's simple....

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

maybe 0 was for my Air2PC

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mchou:

stick a working cable in 1 card. disconnect all other cards

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mchou:

then scan all cards.

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defaultro:

:)

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mchou:

the one that "works" is the right #

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

doing atscscan now

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defaultro:

./util/scan/atscscan -a 1 ./util/scan/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256

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defaultro:

oops

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mchou:

damn frys

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mchou:

they have a corrosive effect on my wallet

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defaultro:

do you think that the reason I'm not able to grab local HD on cable is because I didn't get the HD plan?

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mchou:

defaultro: who is your provider?

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defaultro:

comcast

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defaultro:

i was able to grab it from old house via comcast

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defaultro:

but today, it's just blank screen

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mchou:

sigh....

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mchou:

defaultro: do some basic troubleshooting man

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mchou:

see if you get HD on your tv first

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mchou:

screw the computer

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defaultro:

no built-in tuner :(

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defaultro:

it's ok

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linuxddr:

lol

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linuxddr:

anyone as an pvr-150 card here ?

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linuxddr:

i would want to know about the remote and picture quality it is good looking for cable ?

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mchou:

linuxddr: I wouldnt recommend using the tuner on pvr150

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mchou:

linuxddr: comb filter sucks. PQ sucks

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mchou:

svideo on pvr150 is great though

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Ediehow:

how do i force ivtv module to use /dev/video0?

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Ediehow:

i started using spca module and it kicked ivtv to /dev/video1

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linuxddr:

ok

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linuxddr:

yea cause ill be using analogue cable..

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linuxddr:

so what card could ce goon if not the pvr150 ?

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linuxddr:

good*

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Ediehow:

i use analog cable with pvr150mce

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linuxddr:

ok

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Ediehow:

my only complaint is i'd prefer mpeg4 encoding

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linuxddr:

Ediehow, hehe :)

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linuxddr:

ok

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mchou:

linuxddr: all other card suck just as bad, if not worse

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linuxddr:

oh ok :)

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mchou:

linuxddr: bottome line is avoid a PC tuner if you possibly can at al costs

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mchou:

all*

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linuxddr:

ok

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linuxddr:

it will be beter than my compro tv goldmate i think :)

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linuxddr:

thats an software tuner puching cpu.. :S

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mchou:

linuxddr: you get firewire stbs up in .ca?

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linuxddr:

stbs ?

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mchou:

set top box

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linuxddr:

sorry cause im french from quebec..

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linuxddr:

:P

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linuxddr:

ok

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linuxddr:

yea :)

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linuxddr:

serail ir blaster

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linuxddr:

with videotron box..

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mchou:

linuxddr: videotron?

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mchou:

I dunno what that is

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linuxddr:

that's an cable provider

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linuxddr:

in quebec..

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mchou:

but if you can go firewire I'd go that route over analog

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linuxddr:

okk

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linuxddr:

but no firewire stream on my stbs :(

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mchou:

linuxddr: http://www.videotron.com/services/en/television/illico.jsp

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linuxddr:

yea that's what i've got mchou

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linuxddr:

but the set up box (scientific atlanta) doesn't have an firewire port..

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mchou:

linuxddr: you need this box: http://www.videotron.com/services/en/televisi . . . iques-hd.jsp

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mchou:

the $299 one

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mchou:

linuxddr: http://www.videotron.com/services/en/televisi . . . photo-hd.jsp

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mchou:

linuxddr: that has firewire, and is a box from scientific atlanta

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mchou:

linuxddr: too bad videotron make you guys pay for the box up front

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linuxddr:

yea

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mchou:

linuxddr: we in the US can rent the box for $5/mo

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linuxddr:

so ill take the analogue cable

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linuxddr:

cool :)

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linuxddr:

mchou, i could maby buy one on ebay or other place... :P

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defaultro:

hey folks, I remember running azap then piping it to mplayer. However, I couldn't find my notes

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mchou:

linuxddr: maybe, but I doubt they will be much cheaper......

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Ediehow:

can an mplayer plugin work in ff instead of flash player?

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defaultro:

or was it testmpet

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mchou:

linuxddr: anyway, if you go with analog and pvr150, just use the svideo

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kormoc:

Ediehow, mplayerplug-in doesn't do anything related to a flash player

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linuxddr:

ok

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mchou:

linuxddr: and serial cable to change channels

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linuxddr:

yea

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Ediehow:

kormoc: yeah., that's why i was wondering if there's a way to make it do so

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linuxddr:

ok

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kormoc:

Ediehow, erm... that's not what you asked...

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Ediehow:

<Ediehow> can an mplayer plugin work in ff instead of flash player?

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kormoc:

work in firefox instead of flash player

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kormoc:

what would working in firefox affect the flash player?

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Ediehow:

this conversation is going downhill fast

[17:23:36]

Ediehow:

woops, im in the wrong chan

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Ediehow:

sorry

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mchou:

lol

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roger55:

defaultro, you mean like mplayer – < /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 ?

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defaultro:

nope

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defaultro:

test-mpeg2 -r 0 | mplayer -vo xv -

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defaultro:

i forgot the syntax

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defaultro:

but looks like that's going to work too

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defaultro:

will it?

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defaultro:

wait

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defaultro:

what I want to do is test that channels.conf i've generated

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defaultro:

am using azap now and it has FE_HAS_LOCK

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defaultro:

I want to see it now

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roger55:

right, and if it is some dvb device running my command while your zap is running should work if it is anything like dvb-s

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roger55:

you'll know once you try it ;)

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awbassett:

I'm trying to install my hd3000 and when I attempt to run 'dtvsignal /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0' I receive the error: 'failed opening /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0'.

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awbassett:

I have checked '/dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0' and it does exist.

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Ribs:

awbassett, check you have permission to access that device

[17:56:11]

awbassett:

well i chmod'ed it

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awbassett:

and chgrp'ed it to my user

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awbassett:

im currently just trying to run it as my local user

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awbassett:

myth isn't even on this box yet

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Ribs:

I'm having dvb problems as well

[17:58:07]

Ribs:

I get a message in dmesg about it creating dvb0 without issues

[17:58:15]

Ribs:

but no program appears to be able to access it

[17:58:58]

Ribs:

scan comes up with "FATAL: failed to open '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0': 2 No such file or directory

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** Ribs thinks he's missing something here **

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Ribs:

and indeed, /dev/dvb does not exist

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Ribs:

hrmmm

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Juski:

Ribs: sounds like a driver issue, or maybe missing firmware (see driver issue)

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Hoxzer:

Juski: as you are so genius you might know answer for this: "why does snow crunch when we walk on it?"

[18:09:47]

Juski:

genius? get away with you.

[18:09:55]

Hoxzer:

it has something to do with friction ... or air resistance or ...

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laga:

!kb Hoxzer

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Hoxzer:

:D

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Juski:

try wikipedia as a change from myspace.com :-P

[18:10:14]

Ribs:

Juski, I don't see any errors in dmesg about firmware

[18:10:41]

Juski:

Ribs: do you see messages about the driver loading and the device nodes being created?

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Ribs:

Juski, hold on...

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Juski:

evening stuarta

[18:11:27]

stuarta:

evening Juski

[18:11:42]

Ribs:

Juski, http://pastebin.ca/160779

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Ribs:

that's what I see

[18:11:52]

Juski:

btw I've nothing to hold onto here apart from a faint glimmer of hope I'll be sufficiently motivated to get my themes ready for unleash soon

[18:12:04]

stuarta:

bastard segfault!

[18:12:41]

Juski:

Ribs: if that's sposed to be an hd3000 card I think it's not being detected properly

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Ribs:

the "AVermedia AverTV DVB-T 771" is correct.

[18:13:13]

Ribs:

that is indeed my card

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Juski:

ah right

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Juski:

erm...

[18:14:34]

Juski:

so it's creating device nodes but not in the usual place

[18:14:47]

Ribs:

I have no idea! :/

[18:15:02]

Juski:

it's been a while since I messed with DVB drivers so I dunno what the state of play there is

[18:15:07]

Ribs:

I have /dev/video0

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Ribs:

if that's any help

[18:15:28]

Juski:

I suspect the dvb node is in there.. but AFAIK that's not the norm

[18:15:47]

roger55:

Ribs, are you sure you have the right firmware to load in the right place?

[18:16:01]

Ribs:

roger55, I have no idea

[18:16:10]

Ribs:

I've literally plugged in the card and powered up

[18:16:21]

Ribs:

I'm a complete newbie with dvb stuff in Linux

[18:16:23]

Juski:

not all DVB tuners need firmware

[18:16:44]

Juski:

which distro is this and do you know the kernel version?

[18:16:57]

Ribs:

Ubuntu Dapper 2.6.15-26–386

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Ribs:

mythtv's setup program doesn't see the card either

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Juski:

never known Ubuntu misfire on hardware detection, though it might be that your card is newer than the ones already supported

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Ribs:

The 771 isn't a new card

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Juski:

yeah BUT... manufacturers often release new variants

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Ribs:

indeed

[18:18:30]

Juski:

while keeping the name.model no. the same

[18:19:04]

Ribs:

[17182088.496000] DVB: registering new adapter (bttv0).

[18:19:05]

Ribs:

[17182088.500000] DVB: registering frontend 0 (Zarlink MT352 DVB-T)...

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Ribs:

ah ha

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Ribs:

possibly success

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Juski:

missing a module?

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Ribs:

seems so :)

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Ribs:

http://www.pvrweb.com/bbs/lofiversion/index.php?t5052.html

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Ribs:

found some modules to modprobe from that site

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Juski:

dvb-bttv ?

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Ribs:

I've no idea *which* module was the needed one

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Ribs:

but hey, I can spare the memory :>

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

you can worry about that later I guess

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Ribs:

yeah

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Ribs:

I just wanna play >:)

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Juski:

now to test the card with *zap

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Juski:

tzap in your case

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defaultro:

still can't figure out azap and mplayer to display locked signal

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Ribs:

Juski, aye :)

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Ribs:

Juski, Thanks for the help dude

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Juski:

I didn't do anything... you should thank your brain :)

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Ribs:

pfft

[18:26:23]

Ribs:

that ain't gonna happen

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** Juski uploads new edits of the themes and crosses fingers.... **

[18:34:00]

Ribs:

ohh man

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Ribs:

MythTV is sexy

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Ribs:

uber sexy

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awbassett:

Juski: since you seem to have the dvb magic...

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awbassett:

I'm trying to install my hd3000 and when I attempt to run 'dtvsignal /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0' I receive the error: 'failed opening /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0'.

[18:35:00]

awbassett:

I have checked '/dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0' and it does exist.

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Juski:

awbassett: check dmesg

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awbassett:

i have it is recognized

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Juski:

no errors?

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awbassett:

not that I can tell

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awbassett:

check here: http://pchdtv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8600#8600

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awbassett:

i have my lspci -v and dmesg

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Ribs:

hrm, interesting

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Ribs:

how stable is MythTV's scanning right now

[18:37:55]

Ribs:

it missed a lot of channels

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Juski:

Ribs: not very good in 0.19 I'm afraid. It's MUCH better now in svn though so 0.20 will be nice

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Ribs:

good stuff

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Ribs:

any eta on the 0.20 release?

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** Ribs isn't brave enough to compile **

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GreyFoxx:

anytime now

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stuarta:

now() + 2 weeks :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Ribs:

cool :)

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stuarta:

sadly that means it's always 2 weeks away :)

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defaultro:

hey folks, I just installed the latest 19 stable. I'm in mythtv-setup. What does "Fetch channels from listing source" do?

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** stuarta wonders.... **

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GreyFoxx:

hahahahah

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defaultro:

how is it different from scan channels

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GreyFoxx:

I had typed exactlythat

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stuarta:

different name on the button?

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: Cause your listings source is not the video card. It's whatever xmltv/datadirect account you have setup

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defaultro:

lol

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Juski:

now() + 2 weeks? cool. my themes might be ready by then too :-P

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defaultro:

gotchsa

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defaultro:

so scan for channels is better for me then

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stuarta:

Juski: your themes will be ready in now() + 3 weeks :)

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Ribs:

I think it's safe to say this 650 Duron needs upgrading to something beefier :>

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stuarta:

Ribs: it'll record 1 or 2 cards okay...

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Ribs:

it's struggling to simply play on one atm...

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Juski:

stuarta: lol. I'll just go back to quantizing Greenday then

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Ribs:

and for some reason, 16:9 aspect ratio on my 16:9 LCD TV has bars along the top and bottom... :/

[18:45:58]

Juski:

I like some of their tracks but fucking hell they can't keep time

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stuarta:

Ribs: I didn't say *play* :-)

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Ribs:

heh

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stuarta:

it would work as a backend so long as you didn't want it to do any postprocessing..

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Krazylegz:

Still okay to ask ivtv questions in here?

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elfranger:

is there a default username and password for mythweb?

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Juski:

none by default

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gbee:

elfranger: don't think so, as the password protection isn't actually part of mythweb but done through apache or whatever server you use

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elfranger:

ok

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gbee:

Juski: just the man

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gbee:

when you did the icons test the other day

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gbee:

actually was that you or someone else?

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** gbee has sudden reason to question his memory **

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elfranger:

can I just add a .htaccess file in the mythweb folder?

[18:55:03]

gbee:

well whoever was writing a theme and wanted to see the recorded programmes screen with all the flag icons showing – was there room for another icon?

[18:55:36]

Zider:

can someone recommend a good mini-keyboard with backlight and preferrably laptop-style keys?

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gbee:

I'm adding another flag/icon and wanted to know if it would fit without my having to hack the theme files

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Juski:

gbee: what icons test?

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Juski:

oh wait yeah that was me

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elfranger:

what remote should I get for best control over mythtv.. need one with external "eye"

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Juski:

elfranger: there's no 'best'.. try 'best for me'

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elfranger:

hehe, ok

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elfranger:

best for me the...

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Juski:

gbee: another bloody icon?!

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elfranger:

let me explain the scenario

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Juski:

gbee: anyway it turned out the cc, stereo & hd icons appear by default in 0.19-fixes regardless of the show flags :-|

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defaultro:

mchou?

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gbee:

Juski: aye :) Well I'm adding a flag which shows whether a recording has been watched, it's primarily to make the auto-expire more intelligent but I thought it would also be useful if an icon was shown too :)

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Juski:

gbee: good point

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gbee:

Juski: really? heh

[19:01:31]

defaultro:

or anyone, I forgot how I was able to grab local HD channels before via my capture card

[19:01:58]

Juski:

gbee: a little 'all seeing eye' type icon would be good for that I think ;)

[19:02:32]

Krazylegz:

I am trying to use emerge (in Gentoo) ivtv. I get the error message that CONFIG_VIDEO_TVEEPROM is not set, but that's not an option in my kernel config (2.6.17-gentoo-r7). Is my kernel too old?

[19:02:40]

elfranger:

I plan to mount the laptop I have just installed and configured knoppmyth on in the trunk of my car. Adding an external DVD player (usb) (http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-2-0-slimline-external . . . dZViewItem), mounting that in the allready existing cup holder in the rear. Then adding an IR eye just above it. Video out will go from laptop to my two 9" wide headres

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Juski:

Krazylegz: sounds like v4l modules aren't in your kernel

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gbee:

yep that sounds good – I'm not at all artistic, the one I was going to knock up would have just been a pair of eyes – ala xeyes

[19:03:35]

Krazylegz:

Hmm, okay. I didn't see the option in config though.

[19:03:35]

Juski:

oh fuck.. oops sorry Krazylegz

[19:03:40]

Krazylegz:

I do see it as an option in 2.6.17.6Y.

[19:03:45]

Krazylegz:

Err, 2.6.17.6Y vanilla.

[19:04:13]

Juski:

gbee: they're only 32x32 pixels anyway ;)

[19:04:42]

elfranger:

so, with that in mind, what remotes should I be looking for?

[19:05:20]

gbee:

aye, would be nice if they were a little larger, they usually look crap stretched upto size on my monitor ;)

[19:05:54]

Juski:

gbee: how frickin big is your monitor?

[19:07:16]

gbee:

not big, but I tend to be sitting a lot closer than I would to a TV (where they look fine) and at 1280x800 they just don't look good :)

[19:07:49]

Ribs:

hrm

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Ribs:

has anyone made any svn .deb's? :>

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gbee:

Ribs: give it a week or so and 0.20 will be released (maybe)

[19:09:06]

Ribs:

indeed

[19:09:18]

Ribs:

but the ability to watch TV now would be cool :D

[19:09:35]

gbee:

you've got a point there :)

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Krazylegz:

Which kernel are you guys using for Myth anyway? No real preference, I'd imagine?

[19:12:19]

elfranger:

I am totally blank here...

[19:12:24]

D-side:

howdy boys. whats shakin?

[19:12:39]

elfranger:

can anyone recommend me one or more remotes for use with mythtv?

[19:13:26]

awbassett:

elfranger: I have thought about getting a Logitech Harmony series

[19:13:37]

Krazylegz:

awbassett: Bling bling!

[19:13:43]

awbassett:

elfranger: I don't have one, so I can't say how easy/hard it would be to get working

[19:15:20]

elfranger:

ok, thanks. At least a nudge in the right direction... Found this on ebay, size is about what I would like in my car: http://cgi.ebay.com/Trust-MultiMedia-Remote-C . . . cmdZViewItem

[19:15:31]

elfranger:

but I have no idea how it would work with mythtv

[19:16:22]

Juski:

elfranger: the question is not how it'd work with mythtv. it's one of how it works in LINUX

[19:16:28]

awbassett:

well if it works with lirc, doesnt it work with mythtv

[19:17:12]

gbee:

wouldn't an RF remote, like the ATI one be worth considering? easier to install than an IR one

[19:17:24]

elfranger:

juski: you are correct...

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elfranger:

the other day I got a recommendation to a remote that was very easy to set up. It just worked... nut I cannot remember its name

[19:18:00]

elfranger:

and it was on #knoppmyth

[19:18:14]

elfranger:

there are a lot of cool pc remotes on ebay...

[19:18:45]

jams:

streamzap

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elfranger:

I am generally looking for a small one with just enough buttons for my kids to be able to select movies in the back seat

[19:18:57]

gbee:

hmm that trust one is exactly what I've been looking for to use with my laptop

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gbee:

even looks like it's designed to slide into a pcmcia slot when not being used ....

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elfranger:

yes

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elfranger:

this one would be easy to mount in the car though: http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-PC-Remote-Control-DVD . . . cmdZViewItem

[19:22:37]

gbee:

yep, that looks neat for what you have planned

[19:23:11]

gbee:

elfranger: you might have more luck asking on the lirc mailing list/channels?

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elfranger:

yes, maybe.. I am also waiting for people on #knoppmyth to wake up. One of the guys in there knew a lot about it

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gbee:

well thanks for pointing out that trust remote ... so long as I can confirm it will work with lirc I'll be getting one of those

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elfranger:

looks like the trust remote you saw is not supported: http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=3315587

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gbee:

darn

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** hjohnson is torn about what to use as a mythtv front end.. **

[19:26:44]

gbee:

though that post is a year old ...

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SlicerDicer-:

hey xris you here?

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xris:

?

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elfranger:

gbee: look at this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Creative-Labs-PC-Remote-C . . . cmdZViewItem

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Ribs:

is mythtv really big, or is the svn just really slow?

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gbee:

like the remote itself, not so keen on the ir receiver – my laptop has no serial port and for portability I wanted a combined receiver/usb plug :)

[19:34:19]

gbee:

Ribs: it's not small, lets put it that way

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Anduin:

Ribs: could be both

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elfranger:

this was the remote the guys at #knoppmyth recommended me: http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navc . . . N&tab=wi

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gbee:

the mythtv source is ~90Mb – the plugins ~60Mb

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Ribs:

ah

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Ribs:

mythtv is big then :>

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Juski:

then you have minimyth, just a frontend & a few plugins.. fits into 64MB compressed

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** Ribs feels some distcc magic is on order **

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Ribs:

This Duron 650 ain't gonna like compiling this beast! :D

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gbee:

it's interesting to look at the breakdown though, the translation files come to 20Mb and included themes 15Mb

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Anduin:

Juski: That is cheating though and only counting the compiled size.

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Juski:

Anduin: only the compiled footprint is an issue though IMHO

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gbee:

docs are 5Mb

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Anduin:

5 makes it sound impressive

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gbee:

mostly duplication ;) i.e. pdf version, sgml, html and text copies

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knoppMythNewbie:

Question: I've been ripping DVD's, I did the, what was it, install-css.sh, and have been backing up the disks. Out of about 10, 3 wouldn't work. Then, today, 5 out of 5 failed to work. With some of them, I did observe, briefly, a window that went by too quick ;-) The only thing I'd done, was change the host server ip address from 127.0.0.1 to the machine's actual address and started the backend server. Although, I h

[19:44:46]

Juski:

run out of buffer?

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Juski:

great. 'all' you did was change the single most important parameter of a mythtv system and expected it to work afterwards. way to go!

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laga:

did you change both IP addresses?

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Anduin:

knoppMythNewbie: mtd is temperamental

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knoppMythNewbie:

Well, actually... it had never run since installing the system (although bootup messages said it was started)... which, when, I discovered that fact, worked on getting it running.

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knoppMythNewbie:

Both the IP's on the setup page.

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knoppMythNewbie:

Anduin: Anyway to make it less tempermental?

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knoppMythNewbie:

Or... just keep trying the failures?

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Anduin:

knoppMythNewbie: Not really, you can try them again. A single sector read failure and mtd will stop.

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knoppMythNewbie:

Anduin: Anyway I can find out what the too fast message box is saying?

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** word is away: Away at the moment **

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Anduin:

knoppMythNewbie: It won't say anything that important, the actual error will be in mtd.log (which is in your temp rip dir0

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simon_c_home:

Hi all. I've got my self screwed up with my channel info. What's the easiest way of deleting all the channels, and starting again ? Is it as simple as removing all the cards, or is there a table to remove all teh contents of ?

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stuarta:

the delete channels button?

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simon_c_home:

Doh.

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simon_c_home:

I'll try that first then.

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simon_c_home:

stuarta: thanks.

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knoppMythNewbie:

Anduin: /myth/tmp/mtd.log is full of "a client socket has been opened" (or closed)

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Anduin:

knoppMythNewbie: Yeah, that is normal (that is just when you enter/exit the screen in the frontend)

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Ribs:

the --cpu option in ./configure... Can I set that to "k7" for my Duron?

[20:01:17]

Ribs:

or does it have to be "686" etc. ?

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knoppMythNewbie:

Not to change the subject, but if I start mythTV (with or w/out the backend server) and go to Media Library / Watch Videos, I get a screen full of empty boxes, well they have numbers in them. If I scroll down far enough. I run into boxes labelled AUTORUN, IAlib, INUNISNST, Register, etc. I don't understand this, what am I missing?

[20:04:32]

Anduin:

knoppMythNewbie: That would be whatever CD you have in the drive (you have file browse mode enabled for that view)

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knoppMythNewbie:

Anduin: The DVD drive's empty, is this a directory of a hd directory? And how does one "have file browse mode enabled for that view"?

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elfranger:

anyone know if it would at all be possible to somehow run the xbox media center on a pc on some linux distro?

[20:07:37]

Anduin:

knoppMythNewbie: You only have one CD/DVD drive? It is a MythVideo setting.

[20:08:19]

knoppMythNewbie:

mmm... Utilities and Settings / Video manager complains: /myth/video/cdrom appears to be missing. Remove it from the database? (No, No to all, es, Yes to all)

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knoppMythNewbie:

I've two DVD's, both empty. MythVideo, a seperate program?

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Anduin:

knoppMythNewbie: Ok, so you don't have browse mode enabled, but had something mounted during a scan.

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knoppMythNewbie:

Ah... so I can go ahead and "remove it from the database".

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Anduin:

Yes

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knoppMythNewbie:

Aha! After I did that, I got a list of the DVD's I've backed up.

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Juski:

elfranger: XBMC was ported to windows. They called it Mediaportal and it sucks

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Juski:

elfranger: why don't you have a look at geexbox?

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knoppMythNewbie:

mmmm... but how did the items in the list get in the list. It's a database, right? Do I have to run something, or does the import function do that?

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Anduin:

knoppMythNewbie: A scan is done every time you enter the video manager.

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knoppMythNewbie:

MythTV / Utilities and Settings / Video Manager?

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Anduin:

Yes

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knoppMythNewbie:

Can I move the files from /myth/video to subdirectories of /myth/video, and "rescan", will they be found? Or what's a good way to "organize" one's videos?

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Anduin:

knoppMythNewbie: You can move them, you would need to reenter any metadata info though, but yes, that is how many people organize things.

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knoppMythNewbie:

Well, the only metadata, so far, is from "Search IMDB"

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knoppMythNewbie:

So that won't be much of a loss;-)

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D-side:

Juski: waitwaitwait.

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D-side:

sorry, i know i'm late to the party. :)

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D-side:

xbmc = mediaportal?!

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knoppMythNewbie:

Thanks much Anduin, talk to y'all later

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D-side:

i just don't pay enough attention to this stuff. meedio has apparently been bought by yahoo? even more of a reason to have "normal people" discover mythtv.

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perka:

Is there an easy way to edit the picture settings for all my channels at the same time?

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D-side:

i have a smartass answer so i'll be quiet.

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D-side:

perka: i tried that once and ended up just modifying the tvout on the card itself.

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D-side:

instead of trying to do it per channel.

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perka:

Hit me, D-side I like smart ass remarks :)

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perka:

ahh now that's a thought

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D-side:

i ditched my crap tv out on the box itself and made an xbox work with it.

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D-side:

never had a problem with the display since.

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D-side:

picture quality between the two was like night and day, to be honest.

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hjohnson:

man, when I was in Baghdad, they had the ultimate TV.. some 50+" monstrosity

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D-side:

man

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D-side:

that sure makes me want to go to baghdad.

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hjohnson:

lol

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hjohnson:

hey D-side btw.

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D-side:

hi.

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D-side:

i'm bored.

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hjohnson:

lol

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** hjohnson ponders who makes a decent LCD TV/monitor these days **

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hjohnson:

(and why is it that all the cheap LCDs only have analog, when DVI input should be cheaper to make?)

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elfranger:

can mythtv create some kind of play list?

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simon_c_home:

Hi, I'm having problems scanning for some of my DVB-T channels. It seems to be the BBC channels that aren't there for some reason. I'm using the 0.19.1 SVN code

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D-side:

hjohnson: save the $ and get a DLP w/ dvi port. :)

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hjohnson:

D-side: yeah, but the bulbs are stupid-expensive

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D-side:

hjohnson: eh.

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D-side:

a DLP with three bulb replacements is as much as the same size lcd or plasma

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D-side:

i pulled that number out of my ass but i still think its close. :)

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hjohnson:

oh, I was thinking DLP projectors, rather than the TVs with an integrated DLP projector

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D-side:

i think its the same cost for tbe bulbs.

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D-side:

but no i woudlnt want a projector.

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hjohnson:

bulb prices I've seen have been on the order of $700 a pop

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D-side:

i thought they were closer to $400

[20:51:54]

D-side:

but you could be right.

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Ribs:

damn, this is taking forever to compile

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** Ribs bets it breaks near the end **

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jonK:

good afternoon

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jonK:

ls

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jonK:

anyone around? hopefully someone who can help me

[20:59:08]

jonK:

with the hosed xorg.conf file i hvae on my hands

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D-side:

dont you have a backup?

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jonK:

i thought i did

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jonK:

i had a xorg.conf.old that i made

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jonK:

but at somepoint to copy back must have cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.old

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jonK:

and wrote the new, non working one to the old one

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simon_c_home:

jonK: Which distro ?

[21:01:13]

jonK:

ubuntu

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simon_c_home:

jonK: No idea. sorry.

[21:01:33]

jonK:

of course, if you could help be get X running on the pvr350 — well that would even be better

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** hjohnson looks at his living room and the guts of two exploded computers **

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D-side:

jonK: i'd say have a look at jarod's guide.

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D-side:

the fact that its geared toward fedora is inconsequential.

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simon_c_home:

[sigh]

[21:02:33]

D-side:

the 350 x setup will be the same for xorg users.

[21:02:38]

simon_c_home:

so, I've got to scan for channels many many times to pick them all up.

[21:02:45]

simon_c_home:

But, I'm now getting dupes

[21:02:47]

simon_c_home:

grrrr

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Juski:

D-side: yeah MediaPortal... only it purports to be a pvr now too

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jonK:

no, some parts of ivtv have changed ... I'm tyrin gto get the ivtvdev_drv.o file installed so X can read it

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simon_c_home:

So, what's the best way of getting rid of dupe channels ?

[21:06:18]

Juski:

simon_c_home: just delete them in mythweb

[21:06:29]

simon_c_home:

Juski: OK. thanks.

[21:06:46]

SlicerDicer-:

Juski: are you familar with mythcommflag --rebuild?

[21:06:50]

simon_c_home:

Still need to figure out how to add all the channels though.

[21:07:22]

SlicerDicer-:

Juski: or mythcommflag --all --queue --force

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Juski:

SlicerDicer-: for rebuilding the recordedmarkup table.. ? only ever done it once

[21:07:52]

SlicerDicer-:

I have run both these commands and something is rotten... It lists some recordings as only 8mins long

[21:07:58]

SlicerDicer-:

batman begins is not 8 mins long haha

[21:08:09]

SlicerDicer-:

Juski: indeed

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Juski:

simon_c_home: freeview channels? I always found importing a channels.conf to be easiest in 0.19

[21:08:51]

Juski:

the only snag with importing a channels.conf is that EIT data won't work but there's a workaround for that

[21:08:59]

Ribs:

...

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Ribs:

what?!

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Ribs:

I've been compling for nothing? :/

[21:09:18]

simon_c_home:

Juski: Ahh. That's with the dvb tools ?

[21:09:27]

Juski:

yep

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SlicerDicer-:

Juski: its quite odd though :/

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simon_c_home:

Juski: I *think* I tried that a couple of weeks ago, but the imported channels didn't get any programming info. Will try again now though.

[21:09:51]

Juski:

Ribs: it's all about asking the right questions fella

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Juski:

simon_c_home: you needed the workaround otherwise you'd have to use xmltv

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simon_c_home:

Juski: Workaround ?

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Juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . hannels+conf

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simon_c_home:

Juski: thanks.

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Ribs:

Juski, indeed

[21:11:13]

Ribs:

Juski, meh... I may as well finish compiling now

[21:11:38]

Juski:

yeh.. svn is a huge improvement over 0.19 anyway.. faster channel changes & stuff (and mytharchive) :)

[21:11:54]

Ribs:

oh cool

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** Ribs really needs faster channel changes **

[21:12:46]

** dopez needs to figure out why he once in a while gets a 0b recording **

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Juski:

IIRC, if a channel is on the same transponder (ie the one you're changing to) myth knows it doesn't need to kill the tuner & retune

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D-side:

Ribs: not likely to ever happen.

[21:13:12]

Ribs:

what isn't?

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Juski:

D-side: he's not talking about doing away with the buffer

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Juski:

he's talking about improving the very lame <>10 second channel change time with some DVB cards

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Ribs:

aye

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D-side:

oh. dear god. i'm sorry i threw my hat in the ring.

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Ribs:

tho I think the shite CPU has more to do with it :>

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Juski:

which SVN goes a long way towards rectifying :)

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D-side:

figured we were talking about the usual.

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Juski:

D-side: if we were, you'd have seen me go ballistic

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D-side:

oh?

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Ribs:

"Menus are now drawn by MythUI using OpenGL."

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Ribs:

that's kinda cool

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Juski:

a la.. "GO USE VDR then!!"

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Ribs:

What is VDR?

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Juski:

Video Disk Recorder == a bunch of scripts cobbled together to form a PVR app

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Ribs:

ah

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Ribs:

god dammit

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D-side:

real piece of shit as i recall

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** Ribs shouts "commmpiillleeeeee faster!" at the computer **

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** simon_c_home wants the the DVB-T tunning stuff being backported into the 0.19 code. **

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Ribs:

yay, it's done!

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simon_c_home:

Juski: So, if I go for SVN, I'll get good channel tunning, but probably have other problems ?

[21:19:22]

Juski:

simon_c_home: not 'probably' but maybe

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simon_c_home:

Juski: :-)

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Juski:

simon_c_home: anyway a backport isn't likely to happen now

[21:19:53]

Juski:

not with 0.20 so erm.. (cough) close

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simon_c_home:

Juski: OK.

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simon_c_home:

I guess I'll try svn then.

[21:20:55]

robbins876:

when i push buttons on my remote in IRW it shows the keypress like 2–3 times

[21:20:58]

robbins876:

how do i fix that?

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jonK:

in the lircrc file it probably has "repeat 3"

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jonK:

and you probably don't need to change it

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jonK:

have you tried your remote with an actual application?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: you herE?

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Juski:

robbins876: that's normal

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robbins876:

yeah, it messes up in myth somtimes

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Ediehow:

one of my recordings of a tv show got screwed up

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robbins876:

especially the guide and ok buttons

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robbins876:

alright, so that's an easy change

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robbins876:

anyone familiar with mplayerplug-in?

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robbins876:

mine isn't working properly anymore

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Ediehow:

"properly?"

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Ediehow:

how do i find the recording in the database and tell it to allow it to record again?

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robbins876:

well, it loads mplayer in the web window like usual

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robbins876:

shows it's buffering

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robbins876:

but then doesn't play the file and won't play the file

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robbins876:

unless i save it and watch it outside of firefox

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Ediehow:

i think i had that problem a while back

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Ediehow:

does it do it for every file?

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gbee:

Ediehow: Previously recorded under the Manage Recordings menu

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Ediehow:

can you not get to that through mythweb?

[21:30:06]

gbee:

iirc no

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Ribs:

hrm

[21:31:00]

Ribs:

the channel scan keeps freezing

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briand:

hi all...

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briand:

"Juski : which SVN goes a long way towards rectifying :)" yikes. no, no, no.. you don't want to rectify an RF signal (further..) !! :wink:

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gbee:

Ediehow: unless the recording still exists? in which case you can click delete + record in the Record Programmes page

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jonK:

don't you hate it when people try to break into your box with random passwords

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gbee:

s/record/rerecord/

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jonK:

my network was slow and i just found a dozen ftp connections with someone trying to find guess a valid account

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perka:

it seems the sound I hear comes directly from the sound card and not from the mythtv recordings, common problem?

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gbee:

Ediehow: then again, don't think that option exists in 0.19

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perka:

the sound is live tv is a couple of seconds old recording

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Ediehow:

gbee: it's gone completely?

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Ediehow:

gbee: unfortunately i didn't tell it to rerecord

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gbee:

in which the only way to have it rerecord is through the "previously recorded" screen in mythfrontend or by editing the recording schedule so that it will record duplicates

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Ediehow:

k

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gbee:

OR by direct editing of the db if you're adventurous

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briand:

gbee: the option certainly does exist in 0.19

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gbee:

it does? well that's good then :)

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briand:

in the 'View Recordings' dialog, right arrow on the program in question.. a menu opens. choose 'delete and allow re-record'

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gbee:

ahh, briand I was talking about mythweb

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SlicerDicer-:

is there anyway to do a MASS transcode from mpeg2 to mpeg2 with mythtranscode?

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SlicerDicer-:

I mean transcode every last friggin video

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briand:

ah. yes, as convenient as MythTV is... you still have to occasionally turn on the television set. ;)

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fer2:

hi

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GreyFoxx:

SlicerDicer-: I don't think so. You wouldstill have to add thhem to the job queue individually

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SlicerDicer-:

shit

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briand:

such language.

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GreyFoxx:

Or you could write some perl script to insert the jobs into the database

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SlicerDicer-:

indeed

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SlicerDicer-:

thats what I was thinking

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SlicerDicer-:

over 100 recordings to add not fun haha

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SlicerDicer-:

mythcommflag --rebuild did not build back the information needed

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SlicerDicer-:

so its saying I have 8 min videos that are really 2.5 hours long

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SlicerDicer-:

so I am trying transcoding and it looks to be working

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GreyFoxx:

-rebuild just rebuilds the seektable right?

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SlicerDicer-:

yep

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SlicerDicer-:

but the seektable is fubar still

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SlicerDicer-:

so I am hoping that the transcode will rebuild it properly

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perka:

ok i muted the line in and now the sound is in sync. But it's horrible. I got it working nicely when recording Tv with mplayer as I changed from oss emulation to pure alsa. What is Mythtv using?

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briand:

perka: what are you telling it to use?

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Ribs:

hrm

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perka:

briand, I added ALSA:default

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Ribs:

svn version feels a lot slower

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: yep it worked

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: another question

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SlicerDicer-:

can I destroy all the cutlist information in mass?

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Ribs:

and sound is borked :/

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briand:

perka: then check your alsa settings to make sure that 'OSS emulation' isn't the default. :)

[21:43:34]

GreyFoxx:

SlicerDicer-: Not that I've ever seen

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Ribs:

haha, whoops

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GreyFoxx:

SlicerDicer-: Other than the --clearcutlist in mythcommflag

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Ribs:

"Don't disable OSS unless you're not running Linux"

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fryfrog:

I notice there was a feature freeze at the end of last month!

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GreyFoxx:

you couldjust run a shellscript, calling mythcommflag with clearcutlist and rebuild for everything

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briand:

fryfrog: correct.

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briand:

Aug 24

[21:44:49]

fryfrog:

woo woo :)

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: the rebuild does not work at all

[21:45:06]

fryfrog:

any notable new features expected in .2?

[21:45:07]

briand:

fryfrog: not (quite) yet breath-holding time... but close.

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: I have rebuilt 2 times now

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briand:

fryfrog: lots.

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fryfrog:

spiffy :)

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: so I need to clear all the cutlist data then force all to transcode from mpeg2 to mpeg2

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fryfrog:

I never hold my breath for software releases, that'd be a good way to kill yourself ;p

[21:45:32]

SlicerDicer-:

then I can go in and they should be all good

[21:45:48]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: or get really lurfy

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GreyFoxx:

SlicerDicer-: I've never seen a rebuild fail, so I'd investigate that. But do as you will

[21:45:58]

fryfrog:

or just pass out :)

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briand:

fryfrog: actually, you'd only render yourself unconscious. once unconscious, you'd start breathing again.

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: I have no idea of how to investigate that

[21:46:21]

fryfrog:

briand: true, unless you perhaps did it under water :)

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: I am running SVN so if you want to help me locate the problem I am more than open to finding the problem

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fryfrog:

i've decided to have another stab at QAM HDTV + Air2pc

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briand:

fryfrog: or, suspended above (sufficiently deep) water only by conscious balance.

[21:47:05]

fryfrog:

anyone done a dvb scan and had the resulting channels.conf end up with *multiple* of the same channel?

[21:47:12]

GreyFoxx:

SlicerDicer-: I'd start by trying with a -v all,and failing that by sprinkling code throughout mythcommflag

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fryfrog:

I've ended up with 3 or 4 [0009] (or what ever) type channels the last few times i ran it

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: to run a -all takes 13 hours

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perka:

briand, could you tell me all the places where I should set "ALSA:default"? How do I tell it to use the CD in instead of the Line in btw?

[21:47:42]

GreyFoxx:

"-v all"

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GreyFoxx:

Verbose, all levels

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SlicerDicer-:

ahh

[21:48:01]

SlicerDicer-:

how do I specify what recording to do one that is fubar

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GreyFoxx:

uhhhh

[21:48:37]

GreyFoxx:

so, run when a rebuild wasn't working, what exactly was the command you ran ?

[21:49:04]

briand:

perka: a) only one, in mythtv-setup. b) i don't know. why would you want to?

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hadees:

I keep getting "2006-09–04 16:46:05.799 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(2048) free(2047)

[21:49:45]

hadees:

2006-09–04 16:46:05.905 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND end

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hadees:

" and I don't know what to do, I have dma enabled and I am using reiserfs but I have 3 hard drives and I used lvm

[21:49:52]

perka:

briand, thanks and because my TV card is connected to the CD in on my mobo

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gbee:

fryfrog: lots of new features, though more for some than others – e.g. UK DVB users will get a bunch of new stuff

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fryfrog:

cool :)

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: I had no db so I Created it

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GreyFoxx:

That is not what I asked you

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SlicerDicer-:

xris told me how to do that

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SlicerDicer-:

well I am explaining what I did GreyFoxx

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SlicerDicer-:

then ran mythcommflag --rebuild

[21:50:49]

SlicerDicer-:

it build them screwy

[21:51:06]

SlicerDicer-:

so I ran mythcommflag --all --queue --force

[21:51:11]

SlicerDicer-:

still screwy

[21:51:22]

briand:

"the plants are green, but the people looks like light blue aliens and..." hmm. we have mythtv users that have actually seen aliens, and they're (apparently) light blue.

[21:52:06]

briand:

perhaps the bug was introduced by one of the alien programmers during Google's SoC...

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gbee:

fryfrog: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.20

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GreyFoxx:

SlicerDicer-: I've never used the queue option, but this works for me : mythcommflag --rebuild -f 1031_20060113230000.mpg

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fer2:

Juski: are you there? did you manage to figure that "issue" with the bios?

[21:53:40]

SlicerDicer-:

ok GreyFoxx will try it

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: queue just shoves it in queue jobs

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jonK:

i found my missing xorg.conf backup file w00T!

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SlicerDicer-:

so it runs nicely and I did not have to leave a remote ssh open all night incase it crashed

[21:54:29]

hadees:

so anyone have any tricks to help me fix these IOBOUND problems?

[21:54:32]

jonK:

still don't have X on the 350 running ... not w00t

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: and it also uses my job settings in myth

[21:54:56]

jonK:

how did the SoC stuff turn out?

[21:54:57]

jonK:

alance.

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GreyFoxx:

Slider: Running it too less than 30 seconds to rebuild the seektable on a recording here, so I doubt 100 would take all night :)

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Juski:

fer2: got nowhere with it. I'd have to make a CD or HDD up with DOS on it, then mount the HDD & read the BIOD image in

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: well it did

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: It ran a LONG time hehe

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fer2:

Juski: ok ok...

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GreyFoxx:

probably because of the command you gace it caused it to commflag everything too

[21:55:54]

GreyFoxx:

have you now tried the example I showed ?

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Juski:

fer2: but fear not I'll nail the bastard eventually

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Juski:

ah.. I see.. no need now.. lol

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: yep its taking quite a while

[21:56:58]

briand:

GreyFoxx: and, indeed, a shell script to iterate through the /video directory with that invocation of mythcommflag should fix up everything.

[21:57:04]

SlicerDicer-:

started at Mon Sep 4 14:54:57 2006 it is currently 14:57

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briand:

SlicerDicer: is there some sort of disk-bound I/O problem on your system?

[21:57:23]

SlicerDicer-:

not that I am aware of

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briand:

seems awfully slow, by your account.

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GreyFoxx:

what kind of fps do you get ?

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SlicerDicer-:

608

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briand:

my system is no speed demon, but it seems to run mythcommflag faster than you're seeing there...

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GreyFoxx:

2500 here

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: it is however HDTV

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

[21:58:18]

GreyFoxx:

Just timed it, 32 seconds to flag a SDTV show

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GreyFoxx:

Ok, so assume 4–5 times as long on yours

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SlicerDicer-:

its 61% complete

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GreyFoxx:

depending on how long the show is of course

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briand:

GreyFoxx: just out of curiosity, where does one measure one's fps?

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SlicerDicer-:

mythcommflag is not hogging the cpu either

[21:59:16]

GreyFoxx:

briand: mythcommflag spits it out at the commandline

[21:59:33]

briand:

ah. never ran it on the commandline, i don't think...

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GreyFoxx:

I don't general flag commercials, so I only run it from the commandline :)

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: stream: start_time: 61181.694 duration: 7493.854 bitrate=11107 kb/s

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SlicerDicer-:

81%/ 625fpsRebuilt

[22:00:34]

SlicerDicer-:

started at Mon Sep 4 14:54:57 2006 // Finished commercial break flagging at Mon Sep 4 14:59:55 2006

[22:02:00]

SlicerDicer-:

still fubar too GreyFoxx

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GreyFoxx:

*shrug*

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briand:

954 fps. rebuilt a half-hour show in about 30 seconds.

[22:06:49]

defaultro:

mchou, you there?

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mchou:

maybe

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jonK:

well what would it take to find out for sure?

[22:07:23]

defaultro:

hey :)

[22:07:32]

mchou:

jonK: a bike ride :)

[22:07:54]

jonK:

yes, but i was trying to pull the seat tube from my bike...

[22:07:58]

briand:

GreyFoxx: I assume the process is nice'd considerably via the UI — seems that comm flagging jobs typically take about half the original show's duration on my system...

[22:08:01]

defaultro:

I forgot the steps on how to receive local hd in qam256. Do we use atscscan first?

[22:08:19]

mchou:

jonK: and a discussion of why not to use carbon fiber seatposts, stems, and handlebars.....

[22:08:24]

SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: maybe I can run myth.rebuilddatabase.pl?

[22:08:33]

mchou:

jonK: did it snap like bamboo? :)

[22:08:40]

fryfrog:

defaultro: i'm trying to mess with that right now, are you talking about using the built-into-myth tools?

[22:08:43]

jonK:

in my freaking hands

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mchou:

defaultro: lol

[22:09:07]

briand:

i'll take columbus 751 anyday.

[22:09:08]

defaultro:

fryfrog, nope

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mchou:

defaultro: I never touch that stuff any more

[22:09:22]

defaultro:

what are the built-in tools

[22:09:37]

defaultro:

mchou, I deleted my channels so I can refresh my brain :)

[22:09:39]

fryfrog:

er, mythtv-setup *had* some channel scanning tools

[22:09:42]

briand:

it's not like my racing career was ever elite enough to take advantage of a bike that's 4 or 5 lbs lighter, anyway.

[22:09:45]

fryfrog:

i've had no luck with them though :/

[22:10:00]

defaultro:

fryfrog, I used it earlier but didn't capture the HD signals

[22:10:05]

fryfrog:

its been a while since i tried QAM HD, i failed the last time

[22:10:07]

defaultro:

i used mythtv-setup

[22:10:16]

jonK:

yes, but if I was limited based on talent and ability, I bet I'

[22:10:18]

fryfrog:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_Q . . . _Tuner_Cards

[22:10:19]

mchou:

briand: check out yesterday's irc log re discussion on carbon fiber

[22:10:22]

fryfrog:

thats what i'm looking out

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fryfrog:

at

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jonK:

d still be on the schwin high plains

[22:10:27]

defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

i saw that earlier when I was searching

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mchou:

briand: on beirdo's web site

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fryfrog:

My "scan" found like 300 channels

[22:10:57]

briand:

mchou: nod, will do.

[22:10:57]

defaultro:

wow

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fryfrog:

*none* of which so far (about 5) have yielded any video to mplayer

[22:11:10]

defaultro:

fryfrog, who is your provider and what package?

[22:11:16]

defaultro:

likewise

[22:11:16]

fryfrog:

comcast, atlanta ga

[22:11:19]

briand:

personally, never saw the need for the expense of carbon fiber bicycling.

[22:11:22]

defaultro:

no video too

[22:11:26]

fryfrog:

what ever gets me HD

[22:11:35]

defaultro:

so I don't know where am wrong

[22:11:36]

fryfrog:

I pay like $80 / mo for cable and it sucks :/

[22:11:45]

fryfrog:

I don't think you *are* wrong

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defaultro:

i remember, i was doing cat > mpeg one by one

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briand:

fryfrog: analog comcast or digital comcast?

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fryfrog:

I think we just need to go through 300 channels to find the *8* HD ones

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

that's what i though too

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: I am running verbose right now to see what is going on

[22:12:07]

fryfrog:

briand: I pay for "digital" because that is "required" to get HD

[22:12:10]

defaultro:

thought

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fryfrog:

in other words, they rape you

[22:12:13]

SlicerDicer-:

why it dies at 81%

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mchou:

briand: jonK got himself a new mtn bike for commute purposes after his road bike front wheel got trapped in a road crack.....

[22:12:31]

defaultro:

fryfrog, what package do you have with Comcast?

[22:12:37]

fryfrog:

scroll up :)

[22:12:45]

fryfrog:

Digital + HD

[22:12:57]

fryfrog:

the shit they *require* me to have to get their 4 or 5 HD channels

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defaultro:

ok

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SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: BOHICA?

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mchou:

briand: sent him to the emergency room w/ a brused/cracked rib

[22:13:08]

grevees:

hey all, got a quick question... Hook up my mythbox to the tv, and now I get a "You have passed a undefined mode number" any ideas on how I can get past that?

[22:13:15]

briand:

fryfrog: i'm on comcast analog in the state capital directly south of yours. i always wondered how a QAM scan would fare on my analog cable system... since they don't rewire anything for the digital conversions....

[22:13:16]

fryfrog:

Bend Over... In ... Ass?

[22:13:22]

grevees:

if I let it go, KDE looks horrible, and unusable

[22:13:23]

SlicerDicer-:

bend over here it comes again ;-)

[22:13:24]

defaultro:

i also remember that before I requested HD, I was already able to record them

[22:13:28]

fryfrog:

ahhhh

[22:13:34]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: but you were close enough haha

[22:13:41]

fryfrog:

briand: You'd probably see the FTA OTA HD signals un-encrypted

[22:13:43]

defaultro:

but I think, I have to azap 132 channels one by one

[22:13:53]

fryfrog:

yeah, thats what i'm doing :/

[22:13:58]

defaultro:

fryfrog, how are you using mplayer

[22:13:59]

briand:

mchou: ouch. by 'road bike' are we talking 23mm tires, or did he have 'touring' tires....

[22:14:08]

defaultro:

mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0

[22:14:13]

mchou:

briand: probably 23mm

[22:14:15]

fryfrog:

"mplayer -nosound /dev/dvb/adapter/dvr0

[22:14:18]

defaultro:

k

[22:14:22]

fryfrog:

it would be *nice* if i could just find *one* working channel

[22:14:27]

defaultro:

exactly

[22:14:28]

fryfrog:

so i could know that i'm not doing it *WRONG*

[22:14:31]

briand:

i need to be careful where i ride my road bike... it's fitted with 700x23 tires/rims

[22:14:38]

defaultro:

i've been doing spot checking with no luck, FRICK!

[22:14:50]

mchou:

briand: I race and I've never been caught in a crack

[22:14:52]

fryfrog:

plus, my scan found like 10 [0001] channels

[22:15:04]

fryfrog:

so i have to go and rename them like AAAB – AAAZ, etc

[22:15:07]

mchou:

briand: not to mention I was a bike messenger in NYC

[22:15:36]

grevees:

anyone?

[22:15:40]

briand:

mchou: i used to. stopped riding completely for 3+ years after a 1975 orange Monte Carlo decided to deliberately ride me off the road and into (onto) a split-rail fence.

[22:15:51]

mchou:

briand: I've never even heard of anyonegetting a wheel caught in a crack until jonK came along

[22:15:53]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: for commute I would advocate a greenspeed

[22:16:21]

mchou:

briand: where was that?

[22:16:22]

briand:

slid across the top of it for one span; splinter-infested welt from right hip to left shoulder. Stopped that torture by face-planting the upright fencepost at the end of the section.

[22:16:27]

briand:

mchou: upstate NY

[22:16:35]

mchou:

briand: you serious?

[22:16:39]

briand:

yes.

[22:16:47]

mchou:

briand: rednecks in upstate NY??

[22:16:53]

SlicerDicer-:

I hit a series of tubes and flipped over the front and face planted once

[22:16:56]

briand:

yeah, i know.. hard to believe, eh?

[22:17:03]

mchou:

briand: very

[22:17:04]

SlicerDicer-:

ok it was 1 tube but it was not clogged so my bike tire went in it

[22:17:05]

SlicerDicer-:

lol

[22:17:23]

briand:

mchou: actually, it was a "tire grab" incident as well...

[22:17:32]

SlicerDicer-:

its not like a dump truck

[22:17:42]

** SlicerDicer- notes on a serious note he actually did that **

[22:17:42]

mchou:

briand: who grabbed your tire?

[22:18:01]

briand:

to avoid being forced into the parked vehicles, i used a driveway access point to move on up to the sidewalk to get away from the monte carlo...

[22:18:17]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: I hit a tube on one of the drainage ditches in albquerque and front tire sunk in and flipped and faceplanted then slid down it giving me a nice roadrash on my back

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briand:

turns out that, not only do split-rail fences look nice.. but maintaining the edging on your lawn is desirable as well.

[22:18:31]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: ouch

[22:18:39]

mchou:

briand: lol

[22:18:39]

hadees:

is there anyway to mass delete recordings? I am changing the filesystem on my recordings drive but I am not sure what I need to do so mythbackend doesn't start throwing errors because it does'nt know where the recordigns are

[22:18:39]

SlicerDicer-:

yep fried the bike too

[22:18:49]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: it bent the fork back so I could not turn the tire

[22:18:51]

hadees:

can I just delete everything out of the recordings table in mysql?

[22:19:11]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: yeah, that's not surprising

[22:19:14]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: was brilliant trying to get home carrying the bike looking like I got beat to hell by a buncha vatos

[22:19:22]

briand:

bike pretty much stopped on the outer edge of the sidewalk, held captive by that little rut. I somehow clipped out of both pedals and (because Newton insisted on it...) kept up with my previous vector towards the fence...

[22:19:24]

mchou:

vatos?

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mchou:

briand: hehe

[22:20:19]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: and you live in cali and dont know what a vato is?

[22:20:21]

SlicerDicer-:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=vato

[22:20:25]

fryfrog:

I wonder, will the video PID ever be 0x0000?

[22:20:47]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: first time for everything :)

[22:20:55]

SlicerDicer-:

;-)

[22:21:26]

mchou:

briand: you check out the irc logs yet?

[22:21:28]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: I knew alot of mexicans in school :) I was always messing with them saying 'que paso vato' :)

[22:21:32]

briand:

SlicerDicer-: that's what happened to me, too.. i was out on 'training ride' before dinner... arrived home 2.5 hours late, having carried my bike home on my (non splinter infested) shoulder. i then spent the next several hours in the ER.. then several weeks of various visits to surgeons... then after all the stitches were out and the swelling went down... I was treated to 3.5 weeks of daily visits to the dentist for reconstruc

[22:21:32]

briand:

tion there... ah, such fond memories..

[22:21:50]

SlicerDicer-:

good god briand

[22:21:53]

briand:

mchou: no.. been too busy bragging about how i conquered that fence here in the irc.

[22:21:58]

briand:

;)

[22:22:14]

mchou:

briand: are you serious? you had to get your face rearranged?

[22:22:17]

briand:

yeah.. you can imagine why I was reticent to begin cycling again so soon...

[22:22:32]

fryfrog:

briand: sounds like you need to carry along a gun :/

[22:22:36]

SlicerDicer-:

I did learn not to ride bikes with sandals on briand that was after my foot hit a stump and jammed splinters underneath my toe nails about 1 inch

[22:22:44]

SlicerDicer-:

they have never grown back normal to this day

[22:22:45]

mchou:

lol

[22:22:45]

SlicerDicer-:

heh

[22:22:47]

fryfrog:

did you get their license or did they stop or anything?

[22:22:51]

SlicerDicer-:

they are all V shaped

[22:23:06]

briand:

mchou: ripped open the nose from nostril to bridge, another crease near my "laugh lines", and one below that wrapping around my chin.

[22:23:08]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: you're an alien

[22:23:35]

mchou:

briand: we need a picture!

[22:23:39]

briand:

oh, and broke off four teeth even with the gum line... cracked seven others.

[22:23:54]

briand:

mchou: hehe.. believe it or not, i look (okay, semi-) normal today.

[22:24:02]

mchou:

briand: linky to current picture of your face pls :)

[22:24:14]

Zider:

rotten.com?

[22:24:15]

Zider:

:P

[22:24:18]

briand:

you'd have to look hard to see the scars.. and i'm not taking my partial plate out. :P

[22:24:18]

SlicerDicer-:

lol

[22:24:38]

fryfrog:

Anyone remember the name of the air2pc card?

[22:24:42]

fryfrog:

like 3000 something?

[22:24:52]

briand:

HD-3000 ??

[22:24:53]

fryfrog:

and I think it had a website close to its name?

[22:24:58]

fryfrog:

is that the Air2PC one?

[22:25:05]

mchou:

fryfrog: that's not a2pc

[22:25:06]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah my various accidents that I have had throughout my life

[22:25:08]

hadees:

so if i plan on reformating my recordings partion is there anything i need to do in mythtv to make sure things don't get screwed up? There are going to be alot of recordings that it will be missing but will mythtv just remove them form the database if it can't find them?

[22:25:11]

briand:

fryfrog: just search ebay for 'Air2PC'

[22:25:13]

SlicerDicer-:

I am lucky I have never broken anything

[22:25:24]

fryfrog:

ah, HD5000

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SlicerDicer-:

and I have had some pretty hardcore crashes on whatever I was doing (never a car though) and just walked away

[22:25:43]

tchan:

j #freevo

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briand:

SlicerDicer-: well, if you don't count teeth as bones... i never broke any bones during racing or pleasure-cycling.

[22:26:15]

SlicerDicer-:

I dont know are they bone?

[22:26:27]

SlicerDicer-:

I mean alot of people consider fingernails to be bone but they are really a modified hair

[22:26:45]

briand:

in fact.. despite tempting fate in a few criteriums, haven't even tried sanding my quadriceps with asphalt all that much, either.

[22:26:45]

mchou:

bah, your biking stories are lame.....you've never had full battle between car and bike like I have....and lived to survive the tale.

[22:27:16]

mchou:

I have "man bits dog" type of biking stories

[22:27:26]

mchou:

bites*

[22:28:21]

Juski:

oh noes. I just found an acappella version of 'YMCA' on my hdd.. oops

[22:28:29]

mchou:

once a guy in a Pontiac trans am cut me off at the intersection.....

[22:28:55]

mchou:

I caught up to him on the next stop light.....

[22:29:09]

mchou:

started thumping on his car....

[22:29:12]

SlicerDicer-:

lol

[22:29:35]

mchou:

I ride off.....he tries to chase me down.....

[22:29:48]

mchou:

this when I was very very fit....

[22:30:30]

mchou:

so I do a bunny hop over across the median.....

[22:30:48]

mchou:

to on coming traffic

[22:31:39]

mchou:

and then when I get the chance, I turn around and start riding at full bore towards the dude in trans am.....

[22:31:59]

mchou:

easily 40 mph at the time....

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[22:32:13]

mchou:

(I'm the one doing 40)

[22:32:36]

mchou:

he is stopped at the time

[22:33:13]

mchou:

I bunny hop (again) onto his hood.....

[22:33:27]

mchou:

the guy's expression was priceless

[22:33:54]

briand:

mchou: I would never dream of inflicting that sort of potential damage on my BiKyle custom criterium bike (my 'trainer' bike at the time)

[22:34:11]

mchou:

he was so flabbergasted that he step out the car

[22:34:20]

mchou:

stepped*

[22:34:29]

mchou:

started waving his fists

[22:34:45]

Anduin:

Not hard to wonder why some bike riders are hated.

[22:34:49]

simon_c_home:

hummmm.

[22:34:49]

briand:

although, I was fortunate to live near Glens Falls, NY... and Ben Serotta regularly rode with our group. He put the frame on his rig and straightened it out for me, gratis, post-accident.

[22:34:52]

mchou:

by this time I'm riding in circles all around him

[22:34:55]

simon_c_home:

even stranger.

[22:35:10]

simon_c_home:

Now I seem to have picked up a bunch of non-free to air channels. (topup tv ? )

[22:35:25]

Juski:

just delete em simon_c_home

[22:35:38]

briand:

mchou: this was with a road bike, or a mtn bike?

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[22:35:44]

mchou:

road bike

[22:35:55]

simon_c_home:

whenever the frontend selects them, it says "unable to show video" then when I try to go back into watchtv, it trys to open them again.

[22:36:01]

mchou:

I was a messenger at the time

[22:36:06]

simon_c_home:

Juski: It's figuring out which they are :-)

[22:36:16]

mchou:

messengers dont ride mtn bikes :)

[22:36:26]

Juski:

easy.. they're all called shite1, shite2, shite3 etc :-P

[22:36:46]

briand:

ah.

[22:37:07]

briand:

I can track-stand with the best of 'em.. but typically shied away from all the circus stunts...

[22:37:09]

simon_c_home:

Well, UKTV Gold is a channel that won't show up, But I'm not sure if it's a free to air, or a topup TV.

[22:37:20]

simon_c_home:

and some stuff on gold is good ;-)

[22:37:46]

perka:

It seemt mythtv always try to use oss for caturing sound. I have no problem setting alsa for playback in the setup in mythfrontend. Any ideas on how to get around this?

[22:37:52]

Juski:

it's topuptrash, simon_c_home

[22:38:05]

simon_c_home:

Juski: OK.

[22:38:15]

Juski:

if you wanna watch endless OFAH repeats you have to pay

[22:38:23]

Anduin:

perka: Be the final person to complain about it and actually fix it.

[22:38:26]

simon_c_home:

Juski: no easy way to figure it out I guess.

[22:38:45]

Juski:

simon_c_home: dead easy. look at freeview.co.uk

[22:38:57]

simon_c_home:

Juski: Ahhh. thanks.

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: want to take any bets on how long its going to take to transcode 123 programs from mpeg2 to mpeg2 to rebuild the seek table :)

[22:39:18]

SlicerDicer-:

lol

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perka:

Anduin, so it's not just me who is missing a setting it is a real issue?

[22:39:40]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: simple. 123x2 minutes :)

[22:39:50]

SlicerDicer-:

some are HDTV ;-)

[22:39:54]

mchou:

s/minutes/hours

[22:39:55]

SlicerDicer-:

ok alot are HDTV

[22:40:06]

SlicerDicer-:

mpeg2 to mpeg2?

[22:40:16]

mchou:

yeah....

[22:40:18]

Anduin:

perka: Yes, there was a somewhat recent discussion on the mailing lists about it, it may have even been a patch, but yes, long standing issue that no one actually cares about.

[22:40:25]

simon_c_home:

Juski: Thanks for all the help.

[22:40:25]

SlicerDicer-:

bleh mchou

[22:40:30]

SlicerDicer-:

at least they are in jobqueue eh?

[22:40:38]

mchou:

hehe, yeah.

[22:40:57]

SlicerDicer-:

jobqueue rocks!

[22:40:59]

perka:

Anduin, ok thanks for shedding some light on my problems.

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Juski:

lordy.. I have the original samples used to make 'felix – don't you want me' too.. wth?!

[22:47:03]

mchou:

briand: serotta straigtened out your forks?

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briand:

mchou: actually, the frame was bent on the top and bottom at the fork tube... i think he may have replaced the forks as well, don't remember

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jonK:

Anduin: thank you for the help with lirc last night — it did work when I got home to test

[22:49:02]

mchou:

briand: you sure he didnt just REPLACE the tubes?

[22:49:10]

jonK:

Anduin: thank you for the help with lirc last night — it did work when I got home to test

[22:49:15]

briand:

mchou: so, (i'm guessing) he stripped, welded, unbent, welded, and painted.

[22:49:35]

jonK:

and now trying to get X on a pvr350 working with an amd64

[22:49:42]

briand:

mchou: quite possible.. standard columbus tubing — i'm sure he has more than just a few pieces of that lying around his shop. ;)

[22:49:50]

mchou:

briand: those bumps cant really be rolled out

[22:50:07]

mchou:

briand: not safely anyways

[22:50:21]

briand:

mchou: possibly what he did, then... it was his contribution to the effort to get me back up on two wheels...

[22:50:40]

briand:

and, it worked. :) i started (slowly) riding the club rides, again, etc..

[22:50:47]

mchou:

hehe

[22:51:04]

Anduin:

jonK: Good to hear (though after the newi2c thing worked it was almost certain)

[22:51:09]

briand:

physical damage was (relatively) minimal and easy to overcome.. it was the emotional trauma that took me a couple years.

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jonK:

jesus — I had to recompile the ivtvdev_drv file from source, but had to change some definitions in its code and in the X11 source to get it to compile

[22:51:52]

mchou:

briand: or those kind of things it's best just to get back on the horse ASAP

[22:51:59]

briand:

mchou: my main bike, nowadays, is a Lemond Alpe d'Huez (in the original 'titanium color' paint)

[22:52:00]

mchou:

s/or/for

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briand:

i think that was their thought as well.

[22:52:22]

briand:

that, and they didn't want to see me getting fat and lazy.

[22:52:23]

briand:

:)

[22:52:29]

mchou:

hehe

[22:53:00]

mchou:

I dont think lemond is painted.

[22:53:05]

briand:

there's a significantly lower risk of injury, when seated on a couch or comfortable computer chair.

[22:53:09]

mchou:

it's nickel plated

[22:53:21]

briand:

mchou: not titanium material. titanium color paint.

[22:53:48]

mchou:

briand: BS. That is injury, just sitting in front of computer no getting any exercise

[22:53:50]

briand:

first year the Alpe d'Huez came out, it was that color. Second and subsequent years, it was available in 'Eddy Merckx Orange'

[22:54:43]

briand:

you'd need to go further along in the Lemond catalog to get an actual titanium frame... (the Tourmalet, perhaps?? i don't remember)

[22:54:49]

mchou:

briand: that's my point. That's not "paint." I think it's nickel plating

[22:55:00]

mchou:

on steel

[22:55:18]

briand:

oh, perhaps.. i just liked the original color better than the orange.

[22:55:19]

mchou:

I still have my nickel plated steel frame

[22:56:22]

mchou:

tange prestige tubing is the bomb!

[22:56:23]

briand:

and, during the changeover, Lemond was pulling stock back from the bike shops and stripping them down and refinishing them — during that period, you could order an 'original' Alpe d'Huez for about half-price.

[22:56:38]

perka:

Any ideas as to why the sound is all metallic when capturing from /dev/dsp?

[22:57:24]

briand:

...which is what I did. got a 58cm brand new Alpe d'Huez with Campy ergo on it, shipped to my door for just under $700.

[22:57:38]

mchou:

hehe

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briand:

mchou: where are you located? still racing?

[22:59:27]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: I dont undestand why you ddoing that just for a seek table

[22:59:55]

mchou:

briand: Silicon Valley. Some Master's racing now.....

[23:00:23]

briand:

mchou: nice. :) I rode in the Masters when it came to Tallahassee in 2001/2002

[23:00:39]

mchou:

most of the time now I just go to the velodrome now

[23:00:47]

** briand is jealous. **

[23:00:58]

briand:

we have no velodrome available here..

[23:01:27]

briand:

dunno if i'd want to ride fixed gear all that much, anyway... i'm old enough to benefit from the occasional freewheel. ;)

[23:01:37]

mchou:

briand: http://www.ridethetrack.com/

[23:02:54]

briand:

coolness.

[23:03:16]

briand:

doesn't brandt live out there somewhere in/near silicon valley as well?

[23:03:26]

briand:

i have his book, but have yet to read it. :)

[23:03:38]

mchou:

briand: http://www.ridethetrack.com/gallery.html

[23:03:54]

mchou:

briand: brandt is up the street in Palo Alto

[23:04:20]

briand:

ah, okay. i knew it was nearby, anyway.

[23:04:32]

mchou:

ppl in silicon valley bump into him on rides all the time

[23:04:42]

** briand was born in Oakland, lived in Freemont for first 6 years of my life. **

[23:05:01]

briand:

moved to NY long before the cycling bug bit.

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briand:

mchou: which gallery should i visit to see you in action?

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mchou:

briand: lol. I'm camera shy

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briand:

heheh.. i know the feeling.

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briand:

plus, nowadays.. some wiseacre cameraman would say something about fitting his 28mm lens on, first.

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briand:

(although, at 178, I'm not overweight by any means... but I'm well above my former racing weight/size by about 25 lbs)

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mchou:

briand: how tall are you again?

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briand:

5'11"

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mchou:

yeah, 155 would be a better weight. gotta get that BMI down

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briand:

true.

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briand:

but, at 155, i had a 29/30" waist... not the 33/34" I have now...

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mchou:

I'm 5'6" and 150

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briand:

slim enough, back then, that one of my sister's was trying to convince my parents that I had taken up speed or something in college!

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Juski:

you're never overweight.. just under-tall

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mchou:

I dont think I've ever had waiste size less than 32

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briand:

Juski: that's the right attitude.

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Juski:

no excuse being so fat your ideal height is 8ft though

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mchou:

briand: you were on "speed"

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briand:

mchou: you'd be surprised how inexpensively you can pad your wardrobe at 28/29... that stuff is always around at the end of the season... pennies on the dollar, literally.

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briand:

mchou: well, yes, in a way. 50/60mph on the foothills of the Adirondacks, anyway... ;)

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mchou:

even when I was on total fruitarian diet my waiste was 32

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mchou:

and that was when I was most fit in my life

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briand:

different skeletal structure, no doubt... at 5'11", a 29/30" waist makes you look nearly sickly. I think 32–36 is more commonplace.

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mchou:

I was literally a hummingbird when I was on that diet

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briand:

anyway... been nice chatting with ya... gotta go get set up to watch FSU vs. UM at 8:00pm (local).

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mchou:

alright

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briand:

I'm introducing a couple of my linux friends to the wonders of MythTV.

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briand:

pause/rewind at will, etc... ;)

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mchou:

briand: commercial flagging is what's sells

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D-side:

i can't imagine NOT having a mythtv box so long as i've got a linux machine in the house.

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briand:

well, plus.. I have a 35" flat-screen tv.

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briand:

agreed, mchou ... and I use that a lot, too.

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briand:

although, curiously, most of my recordings are on non-commercial channels, of late... probably because everything's in reruns for another couple weeks.

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mchou:

cant wait for House MD

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briand:

now, if the SVN/2.0 commercial flagging can accurately snip out the PBS pledge breaks... I'll be in/near Nirvana

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mchou:

that's currently my favorite curmudgeon, Dr. House

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briand:

seems all the good concerts, etc., seem to only be scheduled during the pledge drives.

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** briand mumbles something incomprehensible. **

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mchou:

briand: heh, exactly

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mchou:

I wonder if the mexican Burrito joint is open today

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mchou:

need my buritto fix

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briand:

anyway.. i'm off.. good chattin' with ya, again. wish i'd known about that velodrome a couple years ago... would've brought my lemond out with me when I attended WWDC 2000 & 2001.

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mchou:

hehe

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mchou:

laters

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briand:

see yaz. :)

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psofa:

mchou, thats my favourite also

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psofa:

:)

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Matrix9:

When you watch tv, it always restarts back to the beginning, is there a way if you exit from watching a show to save its location?

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Kelerion:

press play while watching it

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Kelerion:

you'll see a "position saved" msg

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Kelerion:

press it again to clear the bookmark

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Matrix9:

play is what, spacebar? or enter?

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Kelerion:

whatever you have mapped to your remote

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Matrix9:

i'm on a keyboard for now

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Kelerion:

try enter then

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jonK:

really? but will it continue to record the show while you're doing something else?

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Kelerion:

am on about recorded tv

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Kelerion:

if you want it to keep recording while your watching live tv.. press R

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Matrix9:

Kelerion, ok i did that, but when is switch to a different show and return, it starts back from the beginning?

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jonK:

kelerion you're talking live tv or recordings...

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Kelerion:

then you can come out of it and it'll keep recording it

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jonK:

i meam matric9: areyou talkign abotu recordings or tv?

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Matrix9:

recordings

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Kelerion:

did you see the "position saved" msg?

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jonK:

oh — go into the setup — > playback

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jonK:

playback settings

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Matrix9:

yes I saw it displayed on top left

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jonK:

there is a dialog for what to do on exit

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jonK:

the default is "just exit"

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jonK:

but you can change it to save position and exit

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jonK:

i thought you were talking about live tv

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Kelerion:

if it has a saved position.. it'll restart from there when you restart that show

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Kelerion:

does for everyone else anyways

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Matrix9:

jonK, Yup that worked, thanks.

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Matrix9:

Kelerion, thanks for that info too.

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Kelerion:

bloody hell... theres a spider in my office and it's *huge* .lol

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AngryElf:

guys, I irrecorded my lircd.conf file and it works, but when a button is held irw doesn't pick up the repeated signals.......is there something i can change in my conf file to fix this?

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Kelerion:

well.. huge for a house spider too

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