Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, August 30th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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PuShPoP:

I pay my sister to do mine

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PuShPoP:

20 a week

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LabMonkey:

but then I'd have to write the interactive status display thing

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nero:

LabMonkey, that makes sense.. especially if it is in a closet or something.. but most people want it sitting right next to their TV..

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PuShPoP:

worth every penny

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Aid`:

wow, after 1 week of messing around w/my new DVB card i've finally gotten a signal

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nero:

doh.. 8:00 has arrived.. no meteor.. time to go throw a load in..

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nero:

brb

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PuShPoP:

haha

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LabMonkey:

nero: right... it's sitting in a closet somewhere, and you're trying to figure out why that particular backend isn't recording anything.... so you go wake up the touch screen and see OH, something is eating all my memory or something like that

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LabMonkey:

although you could get all that via ssh

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LabMonkey:

assuming that whatever the problem is doesn't prevent you from connecting via ssh

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mchou:

wtf

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mchou:

some dude in a SUV went on a hit and run rampage. 1 fatality and 13 injured in San Fran

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mchou:

went on a rampage*

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mchou:

all pedestrians

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** LabMonkey shrugs... San Francisco for ya **

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mchou:

LabMonkey: huh?? wtf is that supposed to mean?

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nero:

phew.. I survived..

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mchou:

LabMonkey: at least get the facts. The driver wasnt from San Fran.

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nero:

mchou, I bet it was the brother of that CNN reporter from earlier today.. ;)

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mchou:

nero: I didnt hear about the cnn reporter......

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mchou:

nero: you have linky?

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nero:

yeah, hold on..

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nero:

and dont be drinking anything, lest you'll need a new keyboard..

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mchou:

this is a weird news day.....

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Anduin:

mchou: another accidental mic on thing

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mchou:

Armitage told Novak about Plame??

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mchou:

wtf!

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nero:

mchou, http://newsbusters.org/stories/kyra_phillips_ . . . ?q=node/7247 (ignore the political rantings on the page.. just read about the poor reporter mishap.. ;) )

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mchou:

nero: bah, that's lame

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mchou:

nero: happens every day

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nero:

well, other than telling the whole world her sister-in-law is a control-freak.. ;)

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mchou:

nero: ever wonder why girls all go to powder their nose at the same time? :)

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nero:

going to make for a pretty interesting thanksgiving dinner.. ;)

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mchou:

nero: bah....

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mchou:

by that time it will be forgotten

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mchou:

nero: I dont know too many ppl who really get along with their in-laws

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nero:

shrug.. I get along fine with mine..

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mchou:

nero: and that blog is lame.....

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nero:

though if I pulled something like that, I think my sister in law would hate me..

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mchou:

I fail to see how this story exposes "liberal media bias"

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nero:

yeah.. hence why I said "ignore the rantings on the page".. I was just linked to the story..

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Zider:

in-laws, is that the partners family?

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mchou:

Zider: yup

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nero:

hah.. and since when have blogs been "on topic"?? ;)

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Zider:

I always got along with mine

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mchou:

Zider: how close do they live to you? :)

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Zider:

mchou: at that time it was across town..

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mchou:

Zider: there was a show called "Everybody loves Raymond" :)

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Zider:

was? is it cancelled?

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mchou:

in-laws living across the street :)

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nero:

bwahaha.. yes mchou- those were the inlaws from hell!

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mchou:

Zider: cancelled is too strong a word. The series ended

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Zider:

mkay

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House:

anyone know how i can caliberate the colors in mythtv?

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kormoc:

calibrate your monitor?

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House:

well tv in this situation

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LabMonkey:

mchou: I was just playing on the running joke that californians are weird-o's

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House:

ie all the colors are pretty washed out, using knoppmyth, not sure what video drivers are used so im not sure how to change any settings

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mchou:

House: get a calibration DVD and use svideo

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Zider:

provided you know about the joke tho

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LabMonkey:

Zider: true

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LabMonkey:

guess it's just the environment in which I was raise

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LabMonkey:

raised*

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Zider:

probably

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Zider:

I never heard anything about californians

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mchou:

Zider: beside they are all beautiful :)

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LabMonkey:

uhh

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mchou:

besides*

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House:

svideo is a program?

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mchou:

House: huh??

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LabMonkey:

my trip to california revealed no beautiful people

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Zider:

mchou: californians?

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Anduin:

House: He is just saying not to use composite

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mchou:

LabMonkey: where in CA?

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House:

I am using s-video

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mchou:

House: so? calibrate with Calibration DVD then

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LabMonkey:

mchou: bay area, San Jose

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mchou:

LabMonkey: lol

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House:

im inquiring on how to chnage the output from the computer, not the tv

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mchou:

LabMonkey: there are no beautiful ppl in San Jose unless you happen to be a girl

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LabMonkey:

all of the girls I saw in san jose were ass ugly as well

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Zider:

well, people have different taste

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mchou:

LabMonkey: cause probably 65% of poulation there are male geeks

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Zider:

not everyone share the same opinion about what is beautiful

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LabMonkey:

and the fat girls trying to prove that they're just as smart as the male geeks

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mchou:

LabMonkey: that goes w/o saying

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evilDagmar:

You guys have to leave the office once in awhile

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evilDagmar:

Or maybe establish some cred on some of the casual dating sites.

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mchou:

House: wtf are you talking about??

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evilDagmar:

I had no problems finding hot chicks

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mchou:

House: you calibrate the who display chain

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mchou:

s/who/whole

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House:

ok... i know the nvidia drivers have nvidia-config to caliberate the output...

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House:

and i used knoppmyth because i wanted to set up this new box quickly... and i have no clue how to do it now

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kormoc:

you can use xgamma to set the gamma levels

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mchou:

House: stop being a lamer

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kormoc:

House, nvidia has nvidia-settings for linux

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House:

how the hell am I being a lamer??

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House:

and sorry, i meant nvidia-settings

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evilDagmar:

Failure to read documentation.

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mchou:

House: you need a known calibration source for calibration. What's that got to do with calibrating the TV?

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nero:

oh boy.. its not just the dreaded Dagmar.. its EVIL dagmar..

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** nero ducks and hides.. **

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mchou:

Dagmar is a legend in his own mind

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mchou:

500+ hrs worth of storage and all the cute chicks in San Jose

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evilDagmar:

As you can see, mchou is only here to be an asshole.

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evilDagmar:

House: Expecting something productive out of mchou is also a lamer trait.

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evilDagmar:

House: But seriously man, if you go through all the documentation, 90% of your problems will disappear and the other 10% will be simple to communicate to others.

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mchou:

evilDagmar: hah, you should talk, mr 500+ hrs of storage

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evilDagmar:

mchou: You should lay off the Scotch Guard.

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mchou:

evilDagmar: you're the real couch potato. Lay off the scotch guard yourself

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evilDagmar:

mchou: Go take your pills and STFU, kid.

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evilDagmar:

[1;30m[[1;37m1[1;30m][0m ùíù Ignoring ALL messages from mchou!*@*[0m

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evilDagmar:

I really need to remember to set that in the rc file someimte

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mchou:

evilDagmar: haha!!

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House:

didnt mean to start a fight! sorry guys

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mchou:

House: lol, dont worry about it

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mchou:

House: it aint evilDagmar's that he was born a clueless asshole

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mchou:

fault*

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evilDagmar:

House: Don't sweat it. mchou is always an ass

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mchou:

evilDagmar: stop repeating what I just said about you

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grndslm:

question....how can I get mythbackend to send it's logs to a terminal while leaving other terminals open for login?? i've tried mythbackend -l /dev/console and mythbackend -l /dev/tty1, but they don't give me any terminals that are available for logins!

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mchou:

grndslm: huh??

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xah:

mythtv nice

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kormoc:

grndslm, in a term, tail -f /var/log/mythbackend.log

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evilDagmar:

grndslm: Dude, how about trying /dev/tty2

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grndslm:

evilDagmar, I still don't get a login on any of the terminals....I should get one on all seven...i don't have gdm running at start up, btw

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House:

mchou: so i should do all the color settings on my tv then?

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lupin_sansei:

Hello, how do I shut the backend down so that I can rerun mythtv-setup?

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mchou:

House: sigh.....

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evilDagmar:

Just kill it the usual way, `killall mythbackend` will do it

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grndslm:

kormoc, i can't access a terminal....the only one that works is the one that mythbackend is running on.....and i have a separate desktop with the frontend

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lupin_sansei:

evilDagmar: thanks

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kormoc:

grndslm, you see, it's easier to use tail to redirect to stdout rather then attempting to output directly to a term, cause depening on your distro, myth might not be able to even access those terms

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mchou:

House: put the claibration DVD in dvd player. calibrate you tv monitor with that.

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kormoc:

grndslm, what distro is this?

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grndslm:

ubuntu

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evilDagmar:

grndslm: If you're not getting gettys on your terminals you need to look at /etc/inittab, but either way I can assure you that mythtv didn't have anything to do with breaking it

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mchou:

House: your*

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** xris wonders what happened to goodDagmar... **

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grndslm:

i don't think anything's broken....i couldn't ever get the backend to start automatically on ubuntu, so i just threw the script out and put one line: "mythbackend -l /dev/tty1" since I can't really program

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kormoc:

uhh

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mchou:

House: then you unplug the svid form dvd to monitor, and plug instead to svid in to computer

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kormoc:

grndslm, where'd you put that line?

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mchou:

s/form/from

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briand:

umm

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grndslm:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend or whatever it is

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evilDagmar:

xris: At the moment it's just a matter of an ongoing war between me and Comcast

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mchou:

House: then calibrate again

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lupin_sansei:

anyone here using DVIco Fusion HDTV lite?

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kormoc:

grndslm, that shouldn't have caused what you're describing

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xris:

that's definitely not evil, then, since evil wouldn't be fighting itself (comcast == evil, too)... well, except that it's evil, and evil *would* do something like that.

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evilDagmar:

Maybe

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House:

mchou: ive already done that, and it works for every connection to my tv cept for the computer whose colors are off from everything else

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mchou:

House: this time onlu using gamma, hue, saturation on computer, not on monitor

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grndslm:

i just don't want any X windowing system to come up, and i'd like all available terminals to have a login prompt, except for one which would display the mythbackend log

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House:

ah ok

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mchou:

oonly*

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evilDagmar:

grndslm: You might want to put a & after the command that starts the backend, so that the init process can actually proceed beyond that

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evilDagmar:

Those scripts are supposed to finish

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grndslm:

evilDagmar, thanks

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briand:

grndslm: you do realize that running mythtv without an underlying window handler is -unsupported- right?

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grndslm:

will try

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grndslm:

whu?

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grndslm:

window handler?

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grndslm:

like xorg?

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evilDagmar:

grndslm: Actually, scratch that, the -d option will have the same (actually better) effect.

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evilDagmar:

grndslm: I had to go and look at my init script to be sure

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evilDagmar:

...still waking up here

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kormoc:

evilDagmar, I thought that init.d after a certain timeout would kill the init.d script?

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grndslm:

ok...i have to use a live cd since i can't get a command prompt, but i'll tell ya how it works in a few

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evilDagmar:

briand: Actually, it seems that even though it's not supported, I can't find anything that is broken by not having a window manager

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evilDagmar:

kormoc: nope. Init doesn't really much care about anything, unless something is respawning too quickly

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kormoc:

fair nuff

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briand:

evilDagmar: true, in most cases, I'm sure. but the -dev folks probably don't want to deal with tons of folks that -don't- know how to set things up properly to run without a window manager

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evilDagmar:

briand: The only things that I've seen that could maybe be affected by it would be mythbrowser

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kormoc:

evilDagmar, mythvideo running mplayer/xine is a common breakage

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evilDagmar:

briand: Oh yeah, I'm all for arbitrary barriers to complaints considering the number of people who exhibit a pathological fear of documentation

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briand:

you ain't just whistlin' dixie, there.

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kormoc:

evilDagmar, as well as sometimes the focus from the playback window returns to X rather then to mythfrontend, but that's just a little rarer.

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evilDagmar:

kormoc: Yeah, but when I fired things up under Blackbox I got teh same weird behaviours with mplayer. Go figure. I'm just glad it has lirc bindings

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grndslm:

i just have mythbackend setup to record and flag for blank screen commercial breaks.....i use the frontend on my desktop with ease since each has their own dedicated job

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grndslm:

i've got more memory on my frontend, which isn't needed on the backend...it works out nicely...i just can't get a prompt on the backend

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lupin_sansei:

What does "Failed to locate input DVBInput" mean when I try to watch live TV? The documentation says myth works with my card out of the box, but I am not sure how to get it to work.

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kormoc:

lupin_sansei, did you configure the card under mythtv-setup?

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briand:

configuration, usually

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evilDagmar:

grndslm: After you fix it so you can run /etc/init.d/mythbackend and actually have the script *finish* you should be able to get login prompts

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briand:

evilDagmar: ...as you were saying. :)

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lupin_sansei:

kormoc: I think so. I select it and it seems to say it's there

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kormoc:

and configured the inputs?

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lupin_sansei:

kormoc: You mean create a video source (channels)?

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grndslm:

evilDagmar, "/usr/bin/mythbackend -d -l /dev/tty1", right?

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evilDagmar:

grndslm: Yeah, but you might want to move that to /dev/tty2 unless you want a bunch of scribbling up the first console when you're trying to login to it

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evilDagmar:

Just a suggestion

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evilDagmar:

Either way, the -d was definitely needed

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grndslm:

i'd rather the text right away since it's the only job that computer has....

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briand:

grndslm: how about just `/usr/bin/mythbackend -d`, and then in the terminal window, run a script out of .login to `tail -f` the backend log?

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evilDagmar:

Fair enough

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kormoc:

grndslm, one thing to keep in mind

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kormoc:

grndslm, if perchance the backend crashes, and it reboots, you won't have a log of things that happened

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briand:

then you could still alt- to log in to other terminals on that box

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evilDagmar:

I'm hoping for syslog support, but I'll probably have to cobble that in myself

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kormoc:

that would be nice

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grndslm:

umm....i'm confused, i'm not too interested in logging....i had to comment out the log-bin line in my my.cnf earlier today because mysql wouldn't get past starting the log

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grndslm:

i've had nothing but trouble when it comes to logging in most linux apps...dunno why, but i don't need 'em

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kormoc:

grndslm, log-bin is very different then logging

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briand:

one can troubleshoot "nothing but trouble" .... but one needs the log file for that, usually.

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briand:

;)

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kormoc:

grndslm, that's binary logging, a binary copy of every query and what not mysql runs. if you check, you likely still have /var/log/mysql.log or similar

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kormoc:

grndslm, and usually mysql complaining bout the bin logs indicates a problem

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kormoc:

grndslm, also, if you check, /var/log is full of other logs, myth just tosses it's own right in there

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** kormoc shrugs **

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grndslm:

i'm gonna leave it like it is for now, and bug you guys later when it quits working

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grndslm:

it'd been working for weeks just fine until a lightning strike shut it off

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briand:

good luck with that.

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grndslm:

and then i had to change the bios to bootup after power loss

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evilDagmar:

Damn dude, get a UPS

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lupin_sansei:

I'm in mythtv-setup now. How do I confirm that my card is setup properly?

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kormoc:

heh, yeah, esp if mysql is the issue, if you turned off bin logs and normal logs, christ, good luck ever recovering that data :P

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briand:

perhaps you could add a `rm -rf /var/logs/*` in that .login script, too...

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briand:

s/s//

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grndslm:

you know what my biggest wish for mythtv is??

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evilDagmar:

briand: Umm... that would be a horrible idea. I'll leave it to you to realize why

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grndslm:

that it had it's own database and threw mysql out....

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briand:

a '--no_logs_ever' option?

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kormoc:

grndslm, god, that would suck

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grndslm:

mysql has caused 90+% of all errors i've had with mythtv

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briand:

evilDagmar: I realize that. I'm not the one averse to having log files.

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lupin_sansei:

When I try to use the Channel Scanner it says "Failed to open the card"

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kormoc:

grndslm, you should get a mysql admin book then, cause it's not that hard at all, and it does it's job very very well. it would set back myth *years* to toss out mysql and roll their own

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briand:

grndslm: and this is a failing of mysql, and not anything to do with your prowess in setting it up?

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briand:

i think MythTV should add it's own internal database when MySQL adds it's own internal digital video recording.

[01:02:21]

grndslm:

i find the mysql info i need online, but the bin-log thing earlier....what's up with that....all i did was turn the computer on

[01:02:40]

grndslm:

sure it wasn't shutdown properly, but mysql seems like too much of a pig

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grndslm:

and then myth is prolly more of a pig when it comes to the frontend....tivos prolly only have a couple hundred MHz in those things, but they run smoothly since it's integrated

[01:03:30]

** briand adjusts the %tolerance% level up a notch or two. **

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evilDagmar:

grndslm: That's because the people putting it together knew UNix. How well do you know unix?

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GreyFoxx:

grndslm: They run smoothly because they have onboardhardwarefor all decompression and graphics effects

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GreyFoxx:

and have a large paid development team

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GreyFoxx:

and 100% control over all hardware involved

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grndslm:

i've got a pvr-500 with 2 encoders....and i think my 6600GT is supposed to have hardware decoding, but i'm not terribly positive about that

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GreyFoxx:

It likely does via XvMC

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briand:

besides, comparing MythTV to a Tivo is like comparing a Hummer (a real one) to a Hyundai with knobby tires.

[01:05:43]

grndslm:

i'm not really complaining about myth, i love it better than tivo since i can run the frontend and backend separately, as well as flag out commercials, i just wish the database was built into myth

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briand:

hardly interchangeable.

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Zider:

hummer rocks :D

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evilDagmar:

GreyFoxx: Yep. It does. I'll make the OSD monochrome

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evilDagmar:

Minor bug, that

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Zider:

didn't know there were anything but "real" hummers

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briand:

see, and that's where we differ. It think the video capturing should be built into MySQL.

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grndslm:

briand, i like where you're going with this

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grndslm:

how about built-in prostitution

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briand:

SELECT (GOOD SHOWS I LIKE) FROM (AIRWAVES) GROUP BY BIT_ORDER;

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grndslm:

i'm about to go get some always delicious taco bell, i'll return when the time has come

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grndslm:

lata

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evilDagmar:

briand: I think Oracle is ahead of MySQL on that

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lupin_sansei:

looks like I can get it scanning through "select input" – weird

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briand:

evilDagmar: perhaps... but it'll only record "The Blob" ??? ;)

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Zider:

briand: could you please clarify what you mean by "real" hummer? as opposed to what, a fake?

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nero:

Zider, I think he means the "real" H1 hummer which can climb a wall, versus the "plastic" H2 hummer that is based on a large pickup truck (silverado I beleive?) frame?

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evilDagmar:

With the extra-fragile ankles

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evilDagmar:

er axles

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Zider:

nero: there are "pickup truck" models of both H1 and H2 tho.. and even if H2 is a bit rounder it's not less of a hummer imo..

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nero:

No.. I mean in terms of a pickup truck frame..

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briand:

Zider: yes. the real ones are not Chevy Suburbans with "Hummer-looking" exteriors plastered on them.

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nero:

The frame, driveline, etc.. in the H2 was based on a production pickup truck.. some say you can pretty much get the same performance by just buying a silvarado pickup truck..

[01:19:32]

nero:

whereas the H1 had its own "platform" which pretty much made it able to climb anything..

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Zider:

briand: so you'r ereferring to the H1 as the real one, and H2 as the not-so-real?

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nero:

then again, why does 99% of the people that own either 'need' them.. ;)

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evilDagmar:

See, what I find offensive about that is that soccer moms can get Hummers, but I'm not allowed a .50-cal mount

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briand:

I see no problem with them allowing you the *mount* Dagmar.

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Zider:

evilDagmar: I find it offensive that I'm not allowed to get an original H1 here in sweden

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Zider:

:P

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nero:

evilDagmar, Id much rather come across you with your .50, than a soccer mom with 3 kids in the back, late for a game, yappin on a cell phone, driving an H2..

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briand:

point to nero.

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nero:

briand, I think that is also a point to evilDagmar.. I think that was his point.. ;)

[01:21:42]

briand:

true.

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evilDagmar:

nero: See, that's why it would be better if I could have the .50-cal mount

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evilDagmar:

It would make the occasional trip to Atlanta less harrowing, that's for sure.

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nero:

evilDagmar, I was just re-iterating your point.. ;)

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briand:

and, this agreement is coming from someone who was stopped in his vehicle, in a parking lot, flashing lights and honking horn vehemently while the cell-phone toting woman backed right up onto the hood of my car with her Jeep Cherokee.

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groogs__:

is there an option for lircrc (mythtv native lirc) to make it only active when mythfrontend is the current window? (more to the point: to not respond to keypresses while I'm using xine)

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briand:

she stopped when the front of my car was supporting the rear of her vehicle, and she no longer had any traction... only then did she turn around to see why she couldn't move any further.

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Zider:

briand: hahaha.. what a total moron :D

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** briand now has an air-horn installed in his small car for that very situation, should it arise again. **

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evilDagmar:

Good plan.

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evilDagmar:

I have to settle for Drill Sgt Voice

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briand:

that way, it'll *sound* like a Mack truck.

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Zider:

get an old fog horn from an oil tanker

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briand:

Zider: yes, I agree. and, reluctantly, so did her (former) insurance company.

[01:25:57]

Zider:

those should be loud enough

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briand:

a 90 db air-horn is sufficient, so far.

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evilDagmar:

Zider: They're also a little hard to get under the hood of anything but an old Ford

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Zider:

evilDagmar: naaah ;)

[01:27:08]

evilDagmar:

No, seriously.

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Zider:

use a bigger hammer

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evilDagmar:

I know a junkyard owner. His security system on the office is sonic based.

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evilDagmar:

He's got two of those and a whole bunch of others besides

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evilDagmar:

If someone busts into his office, half the city will probably hear it.

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briand:

I should think an oil tanker fog horn would be approximately the size of my entire vehicle.

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evilDagmar:

...and the burglar isn't going to be hearing anything again

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evilDagmar:

I'm sure they make 'em bigger, but the two he has are nearly two feet across

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evilDagmar:

It's not a sound you want to hear close up, but it would be really effective

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briand:

i suppose... but I probably wouldn't want to be behind the wheel of my car activating it, either...

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evilDagmar:

Definitely not without earplugs

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Zider:

a friend of mine works with security installations, they had a neat "sonic wall" that thru sound waves made your muscles go limp so your legs wouldn't carry you past it..

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evilDagmar:

That sounds very cool

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Zider:

(plus it made your ears ring for a week)

[01:30:19]

Zider:

yeah

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Zider:

you'd need special permission to have it installed tho ;)

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evilDagmar:

Yeah, the law takes a dim view of mantraps.

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evilDagmar:

They can't be fatal or maiming by nature or they get very upset.

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lupin_sansei:

Worked out why it wouldn't scan before (in case anyone cares). The input source wasn't selected

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Zider:

dammit, I want a hummer.. bloody laws.. :(

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gr00ve_:

every guy wants a hummer...

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gr00ve_:

oh wait, are you talking automobiles

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Zider:

yes, what else?

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gr00ve_:

;o

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gr00ve_:

i dunno, i sign on and the first thing i read was "dammit, i want a hummer"

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gr00ve_:

just kind of amused me

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Zider:

hm, ok

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Zider:

"hummer" is swedish for lobster btw ;)

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gr00ve_:

so it's got at least 3 meanings

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Zider:

what's the third then?

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gr00ve_:

oh – american slang for fellatio

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Zider:

fellawhat?

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gr00ve_:

oral sex – a "blow job"

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Zider:

oh

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Zider:

:P

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gr00ve_:

that's why i chuckled... hehe

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Zider:

bah

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Zider:

nah, I only wanthummer as in the car

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gr00ve_:

i figured you were talking about hummers, i was just cracking a joke

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Zider:

maybe a lobster.. but I dunno what they taste like..

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gr00ve_:

ironically, i cooked my first lobster last night

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mchou:

Zider: why would you want a hummer for a car?

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gr00ve_:

personally, i don't, but lots of people love 'em. i suppose if you lived in an area likely to get hit by hurricane, serious snow, etc, it'd be practical

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Zider:

mchou: they're spacy and can drive almost anywhere

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gr00ve_:

they're a pain in the neck in the city, i couldn't imagine having one around here

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mchou:

Zider: no, you got that wrong. That's a rental car

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Zider:

mchou: hummer is a rental car..?

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mchou:

a rental car goes anywhere :)

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Zider:

then I guess the rental car is a hummer..

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mchou:

hummers only get driven on paved roads.

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Zider:

not by me it won't :P

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gr00ve_:

mchou – as if...

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mchou:

I've never seen a privately owned hummer off road

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Zider:

doesn't mean they CAN'T be driven offroad ;)

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mchou:

and hummers are gas guzzlers

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gr00ve_:

i guess they're a little expensive to offroad with

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mchou:

Zider: that's like saying SUVs go off road

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Zider:

well, it's either a hummer or a cooper

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gr00ve_:

i'd hope these days that everyone trying to buy a new vehicle is heavily weighing mileage

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Zider:

mchou: the hummer is a SUV

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mchou:

I've never seen a SUV off road

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Zider:

I have

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gr00ve_:

if they aren't they're not really considering the cost of the vehicle over time... gas is only going to get REALLY expensive

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mchou:

Zider: a hummer is an instance of a SUV

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mchou:

Zider: forget about the hummer

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Zider:

so is all SUV's :P

[01:44:32]

mchou:

no-one in the US can afford to drive them anymore

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Zider:

I'm not in the US

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mchou:

Zider: I know

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Zider:

why would I care about that?

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mchou:

Zider: cause you can pick up a used one for cheap in US :)

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Zider:

mchou: but not drive it in sweden

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gr00ve_:

unfortunately, lots of people can and do still afford to drive them... i sure wish we could get the low efficiency cars off the market and design some much better stuff

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gr00ve_:

our economy's going to depend on it very soon and we're not even trying, it seems... sigh

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mchou:

Zider: you wont be able to drive in Sweden b/c petrol is even more expensive there than US :)

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evilDagmar:

Don't worry, $4/gal gas prices will do that

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Zider:

mchou: no, I won't be able to drive it in sweden because it's wider than the max car width here

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gr00ve_:

yeah i hear you wrt free markets, but i think it's going to adjust a weee bit too late in this case

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mchou:

Zider: go to Iraq and find a real one then :)

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Zider:

mchou: the ones in the US are real

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mchou:

Zider: plenty of them bombed out in iraq

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mchou:

Zider: the H2's are not real

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mchou:

they are cadillacs

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Zider:

mchou: who said anything about H2?

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Zider:

mchou: hare you at all reading what I've been typing?

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Zider:

-h

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mchou:

Zider: I dont see many H1's any more

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Zider:

mchou: they aren't manufactured anymore

[01:49:15]

mchou:

Zider: only pizza divery places drive those now

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mchou:

delivery*

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Zider:

mchou: and your point is?

[01:50:00]

mchou:

Zider: you wanna be a pizza delivery boy?

[01:50:06]

Zider:

mchou: no?

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gr00ve_:

is there something in the water?

[01:50:18]

gr00ve_:

maybe it's a full moon tonight

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mchou:

gr00ve_: lol

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Zider:

gr00ve_: seems like it

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Zider:

at least where mchou is

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gr00ve_:

so is/was there any myth related talk going on in here

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gr00ve_:

it was my fault that we got distracted on hummer talk, so i'm sorry everyone

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Zider:

no, this is #mythH1 ;)

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nero:

nope.. this is now #hummer

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gr00ve_:

haha

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gr00ve_:

figures

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evilDagmar:

Dont' sweat it. The channel bogs down in silence way more often than anything else

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Zider:

:D

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gr00ve_:

i've been trying to figure out (with a little trouble) what the present/current state of nvidia cards is wrt to linux driver support and xvmc / hdtv performance

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Zider:

mchou: did you run out of pointless rantings now? ;)

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gr00ve_:

is the 5200 agp still the best card option atm?

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evilDagmar:

Well, maybe "best" isn't the word, but it's pretty damn close to optimal

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Zider:

gr00ve_: 5200 and up, I guess

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mchou:

Zider: I'm just getting started. If you wanna go off road, but a motocycles

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mchou:

buy a motocycle*

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evilDagmar:

It's cheap, it has all the necessary hardware support, and they usually come with DVI and s-video output

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evilDagmar:

5200 PCI form willl work just as well

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Zider:

mchou: woo, more completely irrelevant babblings :P

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gr00ve_:

or are the 6200's or another okay, and is pci-e okay? i kind of want to get to a mobo that support enhanced speedstep, but so far all the ones i've found(for a pentium d 920) that do that are ddr2/pci-e, and i'm leary to spend too much on a buncha stuff that may not work well

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gr00ve_:

i'm not sure if i can get a 5200 if i upgrade the mobo to one with pci-e

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Zider:

mchou: please, aren't you gonna tell me to get a monster truck too?

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evilDagmar:

gr00ve_: The 6200 is an nv41 IIRC, meaning it doesn't have video overlay support, so no XvMC support

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Zider:

evilDagmar: I believe it has xvmc but not overlay

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gr00ve_:

evilDagmer: thanks. sorry about my nick, heh, i musta stayed logged in at work

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mchou:

Zider: I guarantee you gonna have more fun on a motorcycle than a hummer

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Zider:

mchou: you can't guarantee that I will enjoy something just because you do.

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gr00ve_:

evilDagmar: do you know if pci-express is okay? i haven't really heard of anyone using it with nvidia / linux yet

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Zider:

gr00ve_: pci-express is great

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mchou:

Zider: umm, did I say I enjoyed motorcycles?

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Zider:

gr00ve_: not necessary for video output speed tho

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evilDagmar:

gr00ve_: It's kind of a "does not matter" point. There shoudln't be any problems with it and Linux

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evilDagmar:

Zider is right on with that point tho.

[01:57:03]

evilDagmar:

Video playback requires some bus bandwidth, but not *that* much

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Zider:

mchou: seems like it, why else would you guarantee I'd have more fun with it?

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gr00ve_:

evilDagmar: video output speed? as in pci-e cards will stutter?

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gr00ve_:

i do want to do HDTV

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mchou:

Zider: cause more ppl ride off road motorcycles than hummers. simple

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Zider:

gr00ve_: pci-express is better than agp no matter how you turn it, but agp is well enough for video

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gr00ve_:

with full mpeg2 offloading( idct, mc )

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Zider:

mchou: so?

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Zider:

mchou: you have no idea if I like riding mc's at all

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gr00ve_:

okay gotcha

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mchou:

Zider: lol, how would you know that?

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Zider:

mchou: you don't know me

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mchou:

Zider: haha! I know you're a swedish redneck

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Zider:

mchou: and since you seems determined I'd have more fun with it, you obviously don't know

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Zider:

redneck? umm

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evilDagmar:

...for that matter, even simple PCI is good enough for video

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gr00ve_:

a coyote howls in the distance

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Zider:

mchou: fyi, I strongly dislike mc's of any kind.. don't even like ordinary bikes..

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gr00ve_:

evilDagmar: well, if a hard drive can stream HD, pci can handle several, heh. i keep reading HD's really resource intensive, but it's not that fast a throughput relatively speaking

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nero:

Zider, you'd still enjoy a motorcycle more.. A little bird told me this morning.. he knows you.

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Zider:

mchou: so no, I would'nt have more fun on an mc

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Zider:

nero: nope

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nero:

so the bird lied to me?? Crimey..

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gr00ve_:

i think i'm worrying too much about it, but pci-e's untested waters for me and i'd hate to find out that it's glitchy in linux because of this or that

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Zider:

gr00ve_: I run pci-express here, with a GF6600GT.. works like a charm

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nero:

gr00ve_, I think you're worryig too much too.. ;) I havent heard any problems about PCI-e..

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nero:

in linux

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gr00ve_:

what i _do_ know about pci-e is that for one reason or another, it ruins a lot of DAWs – digital audio workstations

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mchou:

gr00ve_: in what ways?

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gr00ve_:

i think it has to do with pci-e causing contention and lagging on the pci bus, where the soundcard and drives would be...

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WAR_CH|LD:

does anyone use the mythvideo/mythdvd plugins on debian and have it working properly on all to most dvd's?

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Zider:

guess it depends if the soundcardis pci-e or ordinary pci

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mchou:

gr00ve_: pci-e is point to point.....not classical bus

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gr00ve_:

mchou: like lots of people upgrading to a nice new system with pci-e and finding that their audio streams crackle and pop or stutter and finding the common part to be pci-e (this is in windows by the way – and i know they're different)

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mchou:

gr00ve_: it's possible, but I suspect bad chipsets :)

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gr00ve_:

mchou – well, i'm not sure whether the problem is software or hardware. the point is if it's some kind of jamup in the hardware because pci-e causes pci to have to wait at times... i can understand it

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Zider:

gr00ve_: well, I have a friend thatmakes music on his pci-e PC, and he doesn't have any problems..

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gr00ve_:

okay, so the pci-e stuff i was reading on the forums back a few months may have all been resolved by now

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gr00ve_:

with driver / bios updates, newer/better chipsets and boards, etc

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Zider:

could be

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Zider:

none of us has any problems anyways

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gr00ve_:

but that was my introduction to the technology... so i look at it i guess a bit like some people look at via after their chipset problems

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gr00ve_:

that's great news

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evilDagmar:

gr00ve_: PCI-E shoudln't be able to screw up the PCI bus because it'll be on a separate bridge just like an AGP bus is. It's more likely they've got a shitty driver/bios for their integrated sound chipset

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gr00ve_:

cause i don't think pci-e's going away, and agp won't be around much longer

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evilDagmar:

...besides which, routing PCI-E through PCI would be kinda dumb. It would slow down the PCI-E bus and completely choke the PCI bus to death

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Zider:

I hope I can get hold of a decent agp card before they are all gone :P

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gr00ve_:

evilDagmar – do you know whether both buses go to the southbridge?

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gr00ve_:

i wasn't suggesting they're routing one through the other

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evilDagmar:

gr00ve_: don't know, I know they connect to the same place, but it could be the bogon detector array for all I know

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gr00ve_:

but if they all go into the southbridge, it has to deal with both, and it may have problems imposed on the hardware level there, etc...

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gr00ve_:

haha

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gr00ve_:

flux capacitor

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evilDagmar:

Either way it's far more likely that the sound chipset is sketchy than PCI-E could be screwing it up

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evilDagmar:

Via had a hideous time in and around 2000 just getting their DMA stuff working properly on boards with AGP4x/8x

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gr00ve_:

that could be too, but most of these people took their stable pci soundcard out of their agp box and put it in their shiny new pci-e box and had issues not unlike pci latency problems with some sata controllers

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gr00ve_:

yeah that one via southbridge – 686a or something... it really screwed their reputation

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evilDagmar:

gr00ve_: There are so many ways those problems could manifest that without specifics that report isn't useful

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Zider:

northbridge handles agp/pci-express, southbridge handles ordinary pci

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gr00ve_:

evilDagmar – right, and we're not gonna rehash that whole problem i'd seen with pci-e, i'm just pointing out that LOTS of people with daws when they upgraded early on to pci-e motherboards were hit with the same sort of popping/crackling/stuttering sound and pci-e at the time was the main common thing... this was around a year ago. it's obviously fine by now so we can drop it :)

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jenn`:

I'm trying to get alsa to work with mythtv. can someone help me out? I read the docs and tried using ALSA:default as the audio device, but it's still not working. Also, tvtime has no issue with sound

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gr00ve_:

does anyone know if hd content that's 5c encrypted can be recorded? i understand it can't be decrypted, but can the encrypted stream be recorded and replayed "as is" ? while transcoding and commercial skipping would be out, that'd still be worth it for me for some content

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gr00ve_:

jenn`: do you have a /dev/dsp ? can you use that as your audio output device in myth?

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jenn`:

tried it

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mchou:

gr00ve_: huh??

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gr00ve_:

what were you huhing about?

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mchou:

gr00ve_: if it's encrypted you cant play it back or commflagg it w/o decrypting it.

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mchou:

gr00ve_: so what do you mean by "replayed as is"?

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gr00ve_:

i said "while transcoding and commercial flagging would be out" – as in not an option, because the encrypted content can't be understood

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gr00ve_:

i get that i can't do that with an encrypted stream

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gr00ve_:

i'm just wondering if i can still get the 5c output into a file and if playing that encrypted stream capture back to a hdtv would work

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mchou:

gr00ve_: dude, you can't even really "capture" raw 5C streams

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gr00ve_:

i don't know how 5c works – maybe there's just nothing sent if the capture card can't pass a handshake or something

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mchou:

not w/o a lot of hard work anyways

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matsteeples:

hey. I've been looking through the mailing archives, and I'm trying to get Myth to recognise 2 channels from 2 different sources to be the same channel. (eg BBC ONE in the UK, I have a digital and an analog card, but it tries to record both analog and digital instances of programs). I have set the callsigns to be the same, and have tried putting them in the same datasource, but then the tuning doesn't work as digital and analog

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matsteeples:

tune differently. Anyone got any ideas?

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gr00ve_:

mchou – that's what i'm asking, exactly

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gr00ve_:

matsteeples: do you want that recording to always be on one tuner or the other for that channel?

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matsteeples:

I'd rather it tried to use whichever was free (ie if we were recording a digital only channel, it would record on the analog, and vice versa if we were recording another analog channel)

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gr00ve_:

matsteeples: that's weird. any idea why it doesn't seem them as the same? for me it schedules the same recording on 2 tuners with CBS for example, but it only ever records on or the other

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matsteeples:

basically: (and i don't know how basic this is, or whether it's possible) I want the listings from the digital card to appear on the analog card

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gr00ve_:

it seems to know how to avoid what you're describing

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matsteeples:

the problem we have is that XMLTV and EIT describe the programs differently, meaning myth thinks that it's a different program

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matsteeples:

the EIT descriptions are usually more thorough

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gr00ve_:

ah

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gr00ve_:

i think there might be a mythtv-setup option that describes whether EIT can override xmltv or something like that

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gr00ve_:

that may allow you to have EIT data override the tuner's program data for common channels, not sure...

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matsteeples:

I've found that... but the only problem is that analog doesn't have EIT, so I get no listings for the analog tuner

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gr00ve_:

hmm

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gr00ve_:

well...

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matsteeples:

i've been having a look in the database to see if i can just change the ID of the channel's listing source, but it doesn't appear to be structured that way

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gr00ve_:

maybe mythfilldatabase has an option that might help do what you want

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gr00ve_:

do you have to use EIT for the dvb?

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matsteeples:

haven't looked in to that one. Don't have to use EIT but I was trying to prefer that over mythfilldatabase and xmltv as it's automatic and self maintaining

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gr00ve_:

yeah

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gr00ve_:

although mythfilldatabase should be more or less set and forget

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matsteeples:

yeah, the automatic one always seems to fail on this box, although that's probably down to how it was set up! :P

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matsteeples:

I'm tempted to up it to the 0.19.1 branch (from gentoo portage)

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gr00ve_:

that may be the easier problem to overcome ;)

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matsteeples:

true

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gr00ve_:

if you do that, backup the mythconverg db and you can always revert

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gr00ve_:

i can tell you this much, EIT is under major reconstruction right now

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matsteeples:

yeah, I've been watching the commits now and then, and keeping an eye on the changelogs. looks like it's making some pretty cool progress

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gr00ve_:

danielk's had numerous EIT related tickets in svn for a long time now, and i'm not even sure they're slated for 0.20 release...

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matsteeples:

yeah, the re-write is scheduled for 0.21

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GreyFoxx:

ummmm

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briand:

0.21 or 0.20.1 ?

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GreyFoxx:

As far as I know they are closer to being done

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gr00ve_:

right now i think it's under 0.21

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GreyFoxx:

of course like anything it's an always going effort

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gr00ve_:

that's not to say when 0.20's out they don't decide to merge it in to a point release

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GreyFoxx:

stuarta and them rewrote it all after 0.19

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gr00ve_:

but i think they didn't want to hold up 0.20 on the rest of the EIT stuff he's doing

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gr00ve_:

same for mythui

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GreyFoxx:

I think you are misinformed

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GreyFoxx:

thereis no hold on for mythui as there really isn't a lot of code going into it right now, and I'm pretty sure the EIT rewrite is mostly complete if not complete

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gr00ve_:

GreyFoxx: could be. i'm just observing it was all in the 0.20 trac roadmap until few weeks ago(maybe 8 or 10) and it suddenly was punted to 0.21

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GreyFoxx:

nothing is ever really "complete"

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GreyFoxx:

there is always little pieces pushed to the next version:)

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GreyFoxx:

but the EIT stuff was rewritten

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gr00ve_:

i'm only stating what i see in trac. if that doesn't reflect reality, then trac's not really accurate. it shows both mythui and eit rewrite work as 0.21

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gr00ve_:

i see...

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briand:

gr00ve_: probably meaning that any -further- work in either of those will wait until 0.21

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briand:

code freeze and all that.

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briand:

:)

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gr00ve_:

because both were "blockers" and got punted... it left me with the impression that they were delaying a somewhat drastic change to the next milestone

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gr00ve_:

does trac indicate status like that? (ie frozen )

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briand:

dunno.. but frozen typically means no adding/extending features — only bug fixes

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gr00ve_:

i'm familiar with the term; i didn't know that 0.20's code complete already

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GreyFoxx:

It's in feature freeze, has been for a week

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gr00ve_:

did that go out to the devel list?

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GreyFoxx:

It's just a matter of cleanup now. bugfixes and updates

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gr00ve_:

(announcement

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Zider:

yay, nvidia+xorg :D

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Zider:

xorg 7.1 even

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GreyFoxx:

gr00ve_: I'm pretty sure something was said there

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gr00ve_:

figures, i haven't been looking at the mailing list lately. i guess i shouldn't rely on trac for status

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GreyFoxx:

gr00ve_: http://pastebin.ca/154050

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gr00ve_:

GreyFoxx – thanks, reading

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gr00ve_:

woot, that's great news

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gr00ve_:

does mythtv have an audio mixer internally?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't believe so

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gr00ve_:

or does it just pass along with a stream of audio

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gr00ve_:

heh – the meterologist wore the wrong color tie

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gr00ve_:

a whole viewing audience is missing the weather as they stare at the map coming through the middle of his chest

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matsteeples:

right, well thanks for your help guys. think I'll wait for 0.20 to come along, and then get the whole lot working in a weekend

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gr00ve_:

matsteeples – make sure you backup the myth database, just in case

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matsteeples:

yeah, i've already looked up the commands for doing that! :)

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briand:

mysqldump

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gr00ve_:

i don't think downgrading with emerge will work if the db schema's upgraded

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gr00ve_:

so a backup's critical

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matsteeples:

will 0.20 automatically modify the schema then? (fingers crossed)

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GreyFoxx:

matsteeples: yes

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gr00ve_:

matsteeples upgrades are taken care of during the install phase, and the ebuilds do that for you

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matsteeples:

cool

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gr00ve_:

but the unmerge in gentoo just removes the package files

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GreyFoxx:

Well,regardless of your package system, myth will update any "old" databaseit finds when you run it

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gr00ve_:

GreyFoxx – going down in versions – myth can't really deal with that, can it?

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GreyFoxx:

Nope,it will cause you serious problems

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gr00ve_:

that's reasonable

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matsteeples:

yeah, that's to be expected really

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briand:

besides, who wants to go backwards?? ("Hey! There's too much neat stuff in this release!! I'm going back to the old one!")

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gr00ve_:

it'd be kind of cool to meet the mythtv devel team sometime

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gr00ve_:

impressive folks, i owe 'em at least a few beers and a pizza

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GreyFoxx:

well,if you are on here long enough to do talk to some

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gr00ve_:

are they on as their trac userid's? otherwise i'd never know who they are

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briand:

you'd catch on pretty quickly, i think...

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gr00ve_:

hehe

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briand:

especially if you've been reading the -devel list for a bit

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GreyFoxx:

No,not the same

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gr00ve_:

i haven't read the devel list in a long time, unfortunately

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GreyFoxx:

my trac id is my name,not my irc nick :)

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GreyFoxx:

same for theothers

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gr00ve_:

haha

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briand:

GreyFoxx: i meant merely by "tone of voice" and other cues.

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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gr00ve_:

i wasn't gonna say anyhting, but you struck me as potentially one of 'em

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briand:

;)

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gr00ve_:

so does someone else here

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gr00ve_:

and that's better than you striking me just 'cause

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gr00ve_:

i hate when people do that

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** gr00ve_ rubs his bruises **

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GreyFoxx:

heh my cat is bugging me to go to sleep. He comes to find me every night at the same time :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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briand:

stop giving them reasons... ;)

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briand:

my cat does that, too.

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gr00ve_:

creatures of habit

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briand:

strange creatures... never ceases to amaze me how intelligent they are.

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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gr00ve_:

yep and moody, and type-A'ish – in terms of having a daily regimine

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briand:

my cat knows weekday/weekend differences... even when i still have the alarm going off at the same time, etc..

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gr00ve_:

whatever that spelled

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briand:

she never asks to go out on a weekday morning.. cuz she knows i'm headed off to work.

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briand:

but on sat/sun, she's pushing me as the alarm rings to get up and let her out.

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gr00ve_:

i woke up this morning and it was one of those heavy sleeps i never get where for a minute i wasn't sure whether it was sunday or monday, and then i realized it was tuesday.

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briand:

heh.

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GreyFoxx:

heh if I go to bed (or nap) this one appears at my side within 5 minutes. No matter what time of day or if he was already sleepign somewhere else

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gr00ve_:

i love sleeping that well... never happens anymore

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gr00ve_:

that's awesome. i'd be concerned though that i'd roll over on 'em though. they get to be so trusting they'd let you step on them in the dark

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briand:

i had a nap like that a few years ago... woke up at 7:45 on the couch, and some folksy news show was on.. i thought it was 7:30 am, and i had slept all night on the couch. so i ran thru the shower, and was halfway to work when i realized it was getting darker, not lighter, as the time progressed

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gr00ve_:

yeah i can count on one hand how many times i've been cold booted like that

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gr00ve_:

i think cats get a bad rap

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Aid`:

howmuch diskspace does a HD recording take a second (if no encoding is done)

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gr00ve_:

they're pretty cuddly with their owners, most of them

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gr00ve_:

and to some extent, i think dogs follow you too much... or too actively

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gr00ve_:

cats may follow you from room to room, but they're quiet and they don't usually get in the way

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GreyFoxx:

Aid`: They are transmitted precompressed

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gr00ve_:

until you sit down and try to type or read

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gr00ve_:

hehe

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briand:

...and for those that don't think cats are smarter than dogs... just try teaching your cat to 'fetch'. You throw something and they just look at you with that, "I'm not going to get that — you threw it, YOU go get it!" look.

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Aid`:

well GreyFoxx how much do they take up normally then?

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gr00ve_:

haha

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Aid`:

because im recording 3 movies overnight... just wondering if i got enough space

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GreyFoxx:

Most are up to 9G an hour

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briand:

SD or HD?

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Aid`:

briand: HD

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lupin_sansei:

briand: not saying you're wrong, but how would you distinguish the cat looking at your with contempt from not understanding you?

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Aid`:

there's no hardware encoding

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gr00ve_:

i have nothing against dogs, but growing up with cats i respect them more. it's totally true though, dogs are so enthusiastic to please they'll do anything no matter how ridiculous

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briand:

for SD, figure roughly 2.2G/hr per show. dunno exactly for HD

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gr00ve_:

hd's LOTS bigger

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Aid`:

gr00ve_: i agree

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briand:

lupin_sansei: because contempt, with cats, comes complete with claws. :)

[03:05:50]

lupin_sansei:

funny

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gr00ve_:

Aid` – what'd you set in the recording profiles? that's what determines your sizes

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Aid`:

well i have things recordig from 7am-11:45am and i have 70gigs of hd

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GreyFoxx:

gr00ve_: That has no effect on dvb and or ATSC recordings

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Aid`:

gr00ve_: there's not much to set in recording profiles

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gr00ve_:

GreyFoxx – no settings for hd there? oh

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GreyFoxx:

they are transmitted as already encoded mpeg streams. You just read them and write them to the drive

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briand:

'zackly.

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Aid`:

so will about 5 hours of HD fit on my 70gig of space?

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WAR_CH|LD:

does anyone use the mythvideo/mythdvd plugins on debian and have it working properly on all to most dvd's?

[03:07:16]

gr00ve_:

raw w/o compression(frame grab) would be around 20 gigs an hour

[03:07:20]

GreyFoxx:

Aid`: It should yes

[03:07:22]

gr00ve_:

little more, i think...

[03:07:31]

Aid`:

i guess we'll see... now wont we

[03:07:46]

GreyFoxx:

Aid`: Like I said,it's likely gonna be around9G an hour at most

[03:08:17]

gr00ve_:

is that mpeg2 format( hd streams ) ?

[03:08:23]

briand:

yup

[03:08:27]

GreyFoxx:

yup

[03:08:30]

lupin_sansei:

in Australia HD DVB comes in at around 4–5GB per hour

[03:08:39]

GreyFoxx:

Mpeg2, or in some places H264 (mpeg4 )

[03:08:47]

Aid`:

but wow... my computer can't handle playing a HD recorded signal

[03:09:07]

matsteeples:

is there a process to go through for getting an account on the trac?

[03:09:17]

briand:

sign up.

[03:09:19]

briand:

:)

[03:09:29]

gr00ve_:

so is that based on 1080i? 720p? and does the hd res make a difference to the recorded size?

[03:09:42]

matsteeples:

i can't find a sign up link

[03:09:51]

lupin_sansei:

gr00ve_: a bit, but not massively

[03:09:52]

briand:

signal rate makes a difference, yes.

[03:10:17]

Aid`:

its all choppy when i try to play HD recordings but when i resize H X W, it runs smoothly

[03:10:42]

gr00ve_:

Aid` – resize? via xv on playback or how?

[03:10:52]

lupin_sansei:

in DVB when you record, does myth compress to mpg4, or leave as mpg2?

[03:10:56]

Aid`:

mencoder just for testing purposes

[03:11:09]

GreyFoxx:

lupin_sansei: It leavesit as whatever it was transmitted as

[03:11:14]

gr00ve_:

myth saves the stream as transmitted.

[03:11:20]

GreyFoxx:

lupin_sansei: Unless you setup transcoding of course

[03:11:21]

briand:

lupin_sansei: depends on how you've set it up. it -can- compress to mpeg4 if you engage the transcoder

[03:11:25]

gr00ve_:

if you wanted mpeg4, you'd have to transcode it

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briand:

need a bit of horsepower for that, for sure.

[03:11:47]

gr00ve_:

briand – does the transcoder affect what's stored initially? or transcode after storage?

[03:11:50]

lupin_sansei:

that's cool, mpg2 is fine

[03:12:07]

Aid`:

...who would have thought it, im recording HD movies off FTA

[03:12:10]

briand:

gr00ve_: transcode after reception....

[03:12:11]

GreyFoxx:

gr00ve_: transcoding is always after the recording is finished

[03:12:29]

GreyFoxx:

Aid`: So you finally found some then? What are you pointing at ?

[03:12:33]

briand:

you can start transcoding the beginning of a recording while the rest is still being pushed to disk...

[03:12:36]

gr00ve_:

okay, that's definitely my experience – even with SD.

[03:12:51]

gr00ve_:

for a second i thought i was gonna have to start pricing cray mainframes with pci slots

[03:12:53]

Aid`:

at 111.1 degrees west

[03:12:56]

Aid`:

http://www.moviecentral.ca/cgi-bin/schedule2/2006/scheduleHD.cgi

[03:12:57]

briand:

but, again, you'd need some horsepower. but mpeg2->mpeg4 transcoding is not gonna catch up with the datastream. :)

[03:13:17]

GreyFoxx:

Aid`: Cool.

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gr00ve_:

certainly not on any cpu i've ever owned. sigma designs had that pci card that i think vanished

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briand:

Aid`: which bird?

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gr00ve_:

it was supposed to do hardware mpg4 encoding. if it ever came out, it never grew linux drivers or much mention

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Aid`:

http://www.lyngsat.com/anikf2.html

[03:14:04]

briand:

ah, c-band.

[03:14:06]

GreyFoxx:

hehe I was JUST looking there for it heh

[03:14:11]

briand:

i only have a tiny little fta dish here.

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soren42:

'evening, kids.

[03:14:38]

** briand waves. **

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Aid`:

yeah i have a BUD and 3 smaller 1m dishes

[03:15:08]

briand:

well, the kitty is reminding me that it's after 11pm...

[03:15:12]

briand:

g'nite, all. :)

[03:15:23]

Aid`:

bye

[03:15:51]

Aid`:

GreyFoxx: when i finally got a signal off my KU-band dish you shoulda seen me, i literally jumped up and down

[03:15:52]

matsteeples:

nite

[03:16:18]

soren42:

so, I hate to play the n00b... walk in, and immediate start spouting tech support questions, but y'all seem to be the source in these parts. :)

[03:16:35]

GreyFoxx:

Aid : hehe

[03:16:56]

Aid`:

GreyFoxx: i was about to redo my kernel again but all i had to do was change 2 numbers in mythtsetup

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briand:

Aid`: if i had done that, i'd have had a trip to the ER soon thereafter. my 1m dish is on the peak of my roof.

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gr00ve_:

night

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lupin_sansei:

When you press the arrow keys what channels is it cycling through?

[03:17:57]

Aid`:

then i was even happier to see that it can tune into Hd signals, but now that i think of it i dont know why it wouldn't

[03:18:59]

Aid`:

I guess i deserved it, after messing with the card for over a week and getting nothing

[03:19:23]

lupin_sansei:

I can enter a channel by typing the number in, but I can't seem to add it to the up/down list of channels

[03:19:59]

Aid`:

is it set to visible in mythv-setup?

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cooolie:

hey everyone, so ive got myth up and running but im a little confused about how to figure out what dev my firewire cable box is connected to? does anyone know the command to check?

[03:22:12]

lupin_sansei:

Aid`: let me check

[03:22:13]

Aid`:

GreyFoxx: thanks for the 9G bit but i figured it was about 1.1gb for 13mins so 13x5 = ~60 so about 5 gigs an hour

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gr00ve_:

Aid`: what kind of card are you using?

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lupin_sansei:

Aid`: yes it's in the setup part

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Aid`:

gr00ve_: SkyStar2

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Aid`:

lupin_sansei: is it checked?

[03:23:49]

soren42:

cooolie: you might want to poke around in /proc/bus/ to see if you can find a "devices" file in either usb or ieee...something... whatever firewire is. :)

[03:23:55]

lupin_sansei:

Aid`: But it's not ticked as "visible", why not?

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gr00ve_:

what is that? pci satellite card or something?

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soren42:

cooolie: also, check dmesg – that might give you a clue.

[03:24:30]

Aid`:

lupin_sansei: well check it as visible and then problem solved

[03:24:49]

Aid`:

gr00ve_: it is Technisat SkyStar2 DVB-S

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lupin_sansei:

I wonder why it was marked as not visible?

[03:24:52]

lupin_sansei:

oh well

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** gr00ve_ googles **

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Aid`:

i dont _think_ there's any hardware encoding but i've never really checked

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gr00ve_:

that's cool – does the coax that feeds the pci card come from a satelite box or direct from the dish?

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Aid`:

direct from the dish

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Aid`:

i had one coming in from the satellite box but that was too hard to try to change channels with lirc so i just got one of these puppies. Now i can get HD TV that would cost $600 to get a box that could do that

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gr00ve_:

didn't know you could do that – i thought everything from the satelites was encrypted these days. how cool...

[03:27:02]

lupin_sansei:

mythtv seems a lot more stable with it's picture breaking up (or lack of) than the same card in windows was

[03:27:24]

gr00ve_:

is satellite really bad in the rain or is that no longer true?

[03:27:27]

Aid`:

lupin_sansei: yeah i recorded a program in windows and i kept losing signal

[03:27:56]

lupin_sansei:

I wonder what the difference is? Probably crap programming for the TV playback software

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Aid`:

gr00ve_: my 1m dishes die out if it rains only very hard. The big dish (CBAND) never dies unless a tree falls on it

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gr00ve_:

oh you have one of those giant suckers?

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Aid`:

yeah from the 90s

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gr00ve_:

are those on motors to position or is it a manual process?

[03:28:55]

Aid`:

then i rigged it up to get the movie channel.. never thought i'd use it again

[03:29:04]

Aid`:

I got an actuator to move it, yes

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gr00ve_:

a friend of mine had dish and he'd have to go up and repoint the thing every once in a while

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Aid`:

ack

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gr00ve_:

hilarious – his girlfriend on the cellphone watching the signal meter and yelling at him while he froze to death up on the roof

[03:29:49]

gr00ve_:

yeah it didn't endear me to investigate satellite

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Aid`:

well mine is cemented inthe ground its never going to move

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lupin_sansei:

Now I wonder why my remote control doesn't work. It worked with the last version of knoppmyth

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gr00ve_:

that's nice to have that option. i'm in nyc so everything's up on someone else's rooftop(apartments)

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Aid`:

its late and i have cross country practice tomorrow, see ya

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gr00ve_:

night

[03:31:15]

gr00ve_:

thanks for the info

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Aid`:

glad to have helped

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gr00ve_:

lots to learn....

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cooolie:

well i see that in dmesg im getting some messages that look like my cable box but is there an easy way to check if your cable box is working correctly with myth?

[03:36:33]

gr00ve_:

cooolie – what were you having problems with exactly? lirc remote blasting to change cable box channels?

[03:37:02]

gr00ve_:

oh firewire, i see

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cooolie:

no im tring to record hd over firewire off of my morotla cable box

[03:37:21]

gr00ve_:

yeah, not sure, what's your distribution?

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cooolie:

ubuntu

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cooolie:

i built myth from source though

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gr00ve_:

yeah i was more curious from a pkg / command perspective

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gr00ve_:

i'd guess /proc or /sys depending on your config would show what firewire bus has attached to it

[03:38:58]

gr00ve_:

i don't use firewire personally, yet, but the other thing i'd look for is the equivalent to lspci/lsusb

[03:39:09]

gr00ve_:

maybe there's an lsfw util or similar that dumps firewire bus devices

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cooolie:

in the dir /sys/bus/ieee1394/devices there are these files 354fc00020e95c21 354fc00020e95c21–0 fw-host0

[03:40:55]

gr00ve_:

can you cat them?

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gr00ve_:

maybe one has a device id that you'll recognize

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gr00ve_:

come to think of it, if you've compiled myth with firewire device support, when you run mythtv-setup you should be able to add a "card" and see if you can get myth to recognize the firewire port... it will probably default to sensible device paths, etc

[03:43:11]

cooolie:

well i tried that

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cooolie:

but it doesnt seem to find it in the mythtv-setup

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cooolie:

i wish there was more documentation on this firewire support and setup

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gr00ve_:

myth / ubuntu wiki's useless?

[03:44:44]

gr00ve_:

the other thing you could try is to unplug the stb and reboot

[03:44:48]

gr00ve_:

see if the /sys stuff changes

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cooolie:

no they are very good, but they dont really talk about recording over firewire at all

[03:45:08]

gr00ve_:

if you lose a few nodes, your stb's at least detected. is it a myth-supported model of stb?

[03:45:39]

cooolie:

yeah im pretty sure

[03:45:51]

gr00ve_:

what model?

[03:46:43]

cooolie:

motorola 6412

[03:47:24]

gr00ve_:

should be good

[03:47:28]

gr00ve_:

what's your firewire chipset

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cooolie:

im not sure but im almost positive its workings..its an nvidia nforce 4 motherboard

[03:48:21]

gr00ve_:

have you seen this yet?

[03:48:21]

gr00ve_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire

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gr00ve_:

looks like there's some commands there that may help you, like "plugreport" ??

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cooolie:

no thats a good site thought

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gr00ve_:

if your stb is identified correctly, plugreport should show it and you'll see what node it attached as

[03:50:59]

gr00ve_:

i gather that you need to know the node to enter into mythtv-setup

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cooolie:

yeah

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gr00ve_:

but either way, if plugreport doesn't show the box, it's not quite there yet

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jenn`:

I'm trying to get alsa to work with mythtv. can someone help me out? I read the docs and tried using ALSA:default as the audio device, but it's still not working. Also, tvtime has no issue with sound

[03:58:12]

Agrajag-:

have you also put 'default' as the mixer?

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jenn`:

yes, and when that didnt work i told it to not use the internal mixer..

[03:59:19]

Agrajag-:

using 'ALSA:default' and 'default' should work, that's all there is to it

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jenn`:

ok but what do I do if it doesn't work? lol

[04:00:31]

jenn`:

is there anything else, maybe a step prior to that, that I couldve screwed up? I mean, I looked back through the settings multiple times but maybe i missed something

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Agrajag-:

read the mythfrontend startup output perhaps

[04:01:48]

jenn`:

the only thing it says about audio is WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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jenn`:

dont know what that means..

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WAR_CH|LD:

does anyone use the mythvideo/mythdvd plugins on debian and have it working properly on all to most dvd's?

[04:07:49]

WAR_CH|LD:

actually, I should expand on that further. it works for just dvd playback, that works 100% but the ripping and transcoding features of the mythdvd plugin do not work in any way shape or form

[04:07:55]

WAR_CH|LD:

was wondering if anyone got it happening?

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jenn`:

to add to what I've been saying: when it's set to ALSA:default, the video is choppy and I get the buffer underrun error message. When it's not set to ALSA:default, that doesnt happen. of course, either way, no sound

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md10md:

anyone here?

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WAR_CH|LD:

yeah

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Anduin:

WAR_CH|LD: I don't use Debian, but otherwise, yes.

[04:15:39]

md10md:

anyone wanna check this out? http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . p;highlight=

[04:15:44]

md10md:

updated index.html

[04:15:49]

md10md:

kinda wanna get any comments on it

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md10md:

not much I know but the B&W was getting old IMO

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Anduin:

having to log in will make that less likely

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groogs__:

I have a very strange problem .. I added a spdif output to my system yesterday, and added "pcm.!default spdif" to my .asoundrc, and everything was going great.. except I have a directory of videos that have no sound (no volume control either).. I'm using the internal player

[04:17:50]

md10md:

that's allright, if you ever get a chance though

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md10md:

groogs – same file type as the others that do work?

[04:18:18]

groogs__:

Everything else works fine – it's literally every single file in this directory (music videos .. which played before spdif, btw). and Xine can play these files over the spdif

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md10md:

what format?

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groogs__:

various, some avi some mpg.. i'd have to go check to get actual codecs, but afaik it's a mix of stuff

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md10md:

hmm, that's weird

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groogs__:

i've tried copying these files to other places on the fs (with working files) just to see

[04:19:23]

groogs__:

and it still has no sound

[04:19:33]

groogs__:

yeah

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md10md:

mplayer play them allright?

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Anduin:

groogs__: Can you switch audio streams?

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groogs__:

dunno, give me a sec and i'll check

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groogs__:

Anduin: how do I do that?

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md10md:

I gotta go

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md10md:

good luck

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Anduin:

groogs__: him m menu option is easy to find

[04:20:55]

groogs__:

yeah, mplayer plays them

[04:21:41]

groogs__:

Anduin: don't see anything about that .. you're talking about internal player?

[04:21:58]

Anduin:

groogs__: naturally

[04:22:33]

groogs__:

nope, no audio stream option ..

[04:22:40]

groogs__:

(i'm using 0.19 if that helps)

[04:22:58]

groogs__:

I've actually found a couple other files (outside of that dir) that have no sound

[04:23:23]

groogs__:

i'm going to go back to analog for a second, just to see .. I can't see why that would affect it though, since that bit is just alsa (afaik)

[04:23:51]

CCFL_Man:

whats a decent *reliable* usb print server?

[04:24:03]

groogs__:

damn, it works there..

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groogs__:

its something specifically with spdif output..

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mchou:

CCFL_Man: lol, that real pertinent to myth

[04:25:29]

mchou:

CCFL_Man: cups on the usb port doesnt do it for ya?

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WAR_CH|LD:

Anduin, you again. :) cools. ok. i've been doing a lot of experimentation and as before mentioned playing dvd's works great now

[04:28:45]

WAR_CH|LD:

for example, I have The Big Lebowski DVD and this movie plays fine, but whne I rip.. either ISO or VoB it tries to play but no sound. :(

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groogs__:

oh, I see a common thread .. the ones that work have 48000hz audio streams, the ones that don't are 44100hz

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WAR_CH|LD:

I also have V for Vendetta and if I make an ISO i get that error again what i showed you yeterday, but once again. it plays fine

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CCFL_Man:

mchou: i wanted a small unit

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CCFL_Man:

mchou: has nothing to do with myth, but integrates my home ip network project

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WAR_CH|LD:

at the moment thou, I had troubles yesterday even gettign it to rip, but right now v for vendetta looks to be working.

[04:32:15]

WAR_CH|LD:

I really dont get this. :(

[04:36:31]

WAR_CH|LD:

well, it was going

[04:36:34]

WAR_CH|LD:

it just stopped now

[04:37:02]

WAR_CH|LD:

yea, the MTD fails

[04:37:17]

WAR_CH|LD:

I got this "error: dvdperfectthread read failed for 254 blacks at 11573309

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Anduin:

WAR_CH|LD: The import is very picky

[04:37:50]

WAR_CH|LD:

so, what... I have 5 dvd's here and one "seems" to work..

[04:38:14]

WAR_CH|LD:

and that movie not even totally

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WAR_CH|LD:

Anduin, define or expand on "picky"

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Anduin:

WAR_CH|LD: A single bad step and it is all over, scratched, dirty, unlucky...

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WAR_CH|LD:

well they most defiantly are not any of that.

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WAR_CH|LD:

i've checked and made sure it's clean, etc.

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groogs__:

Anduin: i half figured out the problem, it won't playback 44100hz audio, only 48000hz

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Anduin:

groogs__: Yeah, it would be counting on alsa to resample: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Digital_Sound

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CCFL_Man:

there is still no way to get firewire with a directv receiver?

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CCFL_Man:

or anyway to get the direct transport stream?

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xris:

CCFL_Man: 169time.com

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groogs__:

Anduin: hrm, i went through that earlier, but i spent a bunch of time tweaking it then found the default alsa config just worked (well, till this sample rate problem)..

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CCFL_Man:

xris: can i get the mod and the output will give me the direct transport stream?

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groogs__:

I guess i'll give that a go again, thanks..

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CCFL_Man:

with regular standard definition and high definition?

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xris:

CCFL_Man: I only know that's the only way to get firewire + satellite

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xris:

don't know how it works, and I only *assume* that it's legal since the company is still in business

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CCFL_Man:

xris: it's legal, there is no signal theft

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xris:

CCFL_Man: it's *not* legal to pay for satellite, and hook the smartcard up to your own decoder for decryption... or rather, at least not in compliance with the contract. so there's likely still some grey area.

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xris:

anyway, that's the only way to get at the direct signal from directv

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xris:

no idea what happens with their mpeg4 stuff — I don't think mythtv can work properly with mpeg4 in a TS

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CCFL_Man:

right, i want to leave all that go, i just want an decrypted transport stream somehow

[05:01:06]

CCFL_Man:

they are using mpeg4 to add more hd channels, i prefer mpeg2

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CCFL_Man:

but they do everything in their power to prevent access to the transport stream so they don't get pwned by the mpaa

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xris:

well, and to prevent people from illegally receiving their signals.

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xris:

anyway, you have your answer.. for directv, there isn't even an illegal pci solution since they don't use the DVB standard for their signal like other networks do.

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CCFL_Man:

hmm..

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CCFL_Man:

yeah

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CCFL_Man:

what about any legal way for dish network?

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xris:

169time.com

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xris:

that's the *only* option for satellite, unless you want to move up to c-band stuff

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SlicerDicer-:

good evening xris

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CCFL_Man:

ahh

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xris:

evening, SlicerDicer....

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CCFL_Man:

and here in the US, there is satellite and cable

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** SlicerDicer- looks puzzled **

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xris:

CCFL_Man: or do FTA, but you don't really get that many channels with 18" FTA stuff.

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xris:

CCFL_Man: cable + firewire works great.

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SlicerDicer-:

CCFL_Man: xris is in the USA

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** SlicerDicer- looks around **

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CCFL_Man:

xris: even c-band fta doesn't give me all the channels i want

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xris:

I pay $50/month (about $10/month less than I did with dishnet) for digital cable + hbo.. competitive upgrade from dish.

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xris:

CCFL_Man: but with c-band, you can buy the channels you want ala carte

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CCFL_Man:

xris: yeah, but most of them use dcII, not dvb

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: that 169time looks interesting

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: yeah. just modded standard receiver boxes. too expensive, though.

[05:09:21]

xris:

much cheaper to just continue paying for cable.

[05:09:23]

SlicerDicer-:

indeed

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xris:

anyway, afk again for awhile.

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CCFL_Man:

SlicerDicer-: reviews i've read say it's a little flackey, and no information is available on what format is exactly on the firewire output

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CCFL_Man:

SlicerDicer-: you know if adelphia offers firewire enabled boxes on the pay channels?

[05:11:14]

SlicerDicer-:

no idea about adelphia

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CCFL_Man:

well, adelphia still has analog channels

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CCFL_Man:

ahh

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SlicerDicer-:

I would not pretend to know

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SlicerDicer-:

but hey FCC rulings say that the firewire port must work

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SlicerDicer-:

that does not mean they cannot be encrypted though ;-)

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CCFL_Man:

your cable company has all digital channels?

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SlicerDicer-:

I would assume so yes

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SlicerDicer-:

I dunno I record everything from firewire

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SlicerDicer-:

http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicerstuff/mythsetup.jpg :)

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Anduin:

It is possible, though most still have the analog/digital combo.

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SlicerDicer-:

CCFL_Man: I got daisychained boxes :)

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CCFL_Man:

lol

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CCFL_Man:

SlicerDicer-: that for using multiple tuners at once?

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SlicerDicer-:

yep

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SlicerDicer-:

works quite well too

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SlicerDicer-:

I can record 2 hd programs at once

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SlicerDicer-:

quite nice

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CCFL_Man:

but comcast has all digital channels?

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SlicerDicer-:

I am not sure

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CCFL_Man:

you only watch only hd channels or regular ones?

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CCFL_Man:

i watch the science channel most of the time

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SlicerDicer-:

I watch all kinda channels CCFL_Man

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SlicerDicer-:

sorry was afk for second

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SlicerDicer-:

I watch food network, science channel, discovery times, nat geo, history, dhd whatever :) alot of good programming on those channels then also movies in HD if I can etc

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SlicerDicer-:

afk again

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mchou:

SlicerDicer: love the duct tape :)

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mchou:

SlicerDicer: why do you have two wireless routers right on top of each other?

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mchou:

SlicerDicer: it's a good thing you have a nuclear plant nearby to power all that stuff :)

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CCFL_Man:

maybe one is an AP for another WLAN

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CCFL_Man:

Sêx Deprìved HouseWìves in nêêd ofSêx N0W

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CCFL_Man:

lol

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CCFL_Man:

gotta lub teh pr0n spam

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hoxzer:

What do you guys think about P0|^n0?

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what an unbelievably irrelevant question

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Juski:

wooo I love it when it's like this.. nice & quiet :)

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Ruleke:

now you spoiled it

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Juski:

that's what I do :)

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Juski:

morning Kelerion

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Kelerion:

morning :)

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** Juski now has a lawn in the garden (yay) **

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Juski:

wait a few weeks then I'll be like .. shit I have to mow the lawn :(

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Merlin83b:

lol

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Merlin83b:

But yay lawn :-)

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Juski:

heheh yeah. garden looks like a garden now.

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Merlin83b:

People with concrete gardens confuse me.

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Juski:

getting a new shed delivered next week.. guess who has to put the bugger up though

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Juski:

not SWMBO, that's fer sure ;-)

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Juski:

concrete garden == yard

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slaine_:

somepeople don't like grass and the having to cut it part

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Juski:

it's a huge improvement on what we had before.. i.e. some kind of small, sharp gravelly stuff

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slaine_:

Juski, you got turf laid ?

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Juski:

yeh

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fatmatt:

I was going to say, gravel is an alternative to grass

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fatmatt:

you can even have green gravel

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Juski:

naw it wasn't even nice gravel.. and there was no membrane underneath it to stop weeds coming up

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fish_:

re

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fatmatt:

there's a lot of moss on the lawn here. It doesn't grow very high, wondering if moss is a good lawn alternative

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gardengnome:

re

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evilDagmar:

fatmatt: Seed the soil with clover, it *should* be able to overgrow the moss.

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evilDagmar:

Moss doesn't make for very good soil retention, and clover *does*

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fatmatt:

is there anything someone on this channel doesn't know?

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evilDagmar:

...and they've got almost identical light requirements, although moss can grow when there's not enough light for clover

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evilDagmar:

I'm sure there is, it's just that a lot of us have very varied backgrounds.

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gardengnome:

fatmatt: well, just don't ask questions about dating... :>

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evilDagmar:

In any case, I live in Tennessee. We tend to get torrential rain as much as anything else, so keeping one's yard from simply washing away is something most people learn "or else"

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Kelerion:

anyone know off the tops of their heads any decent (and solid) handhelds that are linux compliant? nothing too over the top they just need reliable wireless internet web-browser access

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Merlin83b:

HP iPaqs are usually find – handhelds.org

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dverzolla:

Hello, it's possible to integrate the libavcodec to record my video files in mythtv?

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gardengnome:

dverzolla: ls mythtv/libs ...

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dverzolla:

gardengnome, You use mythweb?

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gardengnome:

dverzolla: is that a trick question?

[11:31:26]

dverzolla:

gardengnome, It's another question :)

[11:31:34]

gardengnome:

i do.

[11:31:51]

dverzolla:

gardengnome, I want to know how I can change the "Recording Profile"

[11:32:09]

gardengnome:

in mythweb?

[11:32:15]

dverzolla:

gardengnome, The possible are: Default, Live TV, High Quality and Low Quality

[11:32:18]

dverzolla:

gardengnome, is

[11:32:21]

dverzolla:

gardengnome, yes

[11:32:51]

gardengnome:

what exactly do you want to change? the names?

[11:33:13]

dverzolla:

gardengnome, I need to use libavcodec to encode my videos, and I want create a new name with my sets

[11:33:31]

dverzolla:

gardengnome, I need to this directly in database?

[11:34:04]

gardengnome:

you're not really making sense and i'm too tired to try to work it out now. ttyl maybe.

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Juski:

use libavcodec? sounds more like you need to transcode, or get a _proper_ tuner card or 2

[11:49:48]

evilDagmar:

I'm for the "not making sense" option

[11:50:25]

Juski:

this week's topic is.. dump the software encoders in the bin. they suck :)

[11:51:19]

evilDagmar:

YAY!

[11:51:46]

dverzolla:

Sorry if my question make no sense

[11:51:51]

dverzolla:

I will try again

[11:52:28]

dverzolla:

I need record with mythtv, but I need use libavcodec to encode my video files...

[11:52:57]

Juski:

dverzolla: to make avis instead of nuv files?

[11:53:01]

dverzolla:

What lib the mythtv use to record the MPEG4 files?

[11:53:24]

Ruleke:

is this for your 1 channel dverzolla :)

[11:53:36]

dverzolla:

Juski, I need mpeg4 files that I can open in my machintosh machine

[11:53:41]

Juski:

dverzolla: you'd have to make big (and I mean BIG) changes to the mythtv source code to change the encoding method

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dverzolla:

I record my videos with ffmpeg (mpeg4)... and after I can open the video files in a mac machine

[11:55:04]

dverzolla:

But, with mythtv I can't

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Juski:

so? don't use mythtv then

[11:55:38]

dverzolla:

Juski, I need they :)

[11:55:46]

dverzolla:

Juski, MythWeb... etc

[11:55:56]

Ruleke:

why not transcode ?

[11:56:08]

dverzolla:

Ruleke, use transcode with mythtv?

[11:56:36]

Juski:

dverzolla: look I told you.. to get myth to record natively in a whole different format you WILL have to change the program completely

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Juski:

best way would be to transcode your recordings when they've finished

[11:57:07]

Ruleke:

dverzolla: yeah, transcode after recording ?

[11:57:17]

dverzolla:

Juski, Ok. I can run some post jobs process that convert the video to my needed format

[11:57:24]

dverzolla:

Ruleke, Match!

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dverzolla:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

dverzolla: What kind of capure card are you using ?

[11:57:42]

dverzolla:

GreyFoxx, osprey 210

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Juski:

v4l software encoding gashness :-P

[11:57:55]

GreyFoxx:

I assume that's a bttv/software card?

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GreyFoxx:

k

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GreyFoxx:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/nuvtools/nuv2avi.php

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dverzolla:

GreyFoxx, yes

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GreyFoxx:

That might be useful to you

[11:58:17]

dverzolla:

GreyFoxx, Oh, nice

[11:58:40]

GreyFoxx:

it will repackage the myth nuv files into an avi without transcoding

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dverzolla:

What Capture Card is the recommend to use in this work? To record videos?

[11:59:13]

dverzolla:

Juski, What means gashness?

[11:59:14]

Juski:

something with hardware encoding

[11:59:18]

GreyFoxx:

dverzolla: Most people use the PVR cards from hauppage

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dverzolla:

Juski, Sorry for my tarzan english :)

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Juski:

gashness == rubbish

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purple-processor:

has any one heard of a solution to the possible framebuffer issues in r5d1 ref http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p= . . . fed65020b15b I cant seem to get x working ov the tv or the monintor

[11:59:33]

dverzolla:

GreyFoxx, they have hardware compression?

[11:59:39]

GreyFoxx:

dverzolla: Yes

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Ruleke:

but not mpeg4.... there are arguments against goign from one lossy compression to another one imho

[12:00:15]

Juski:

maybe one day myth will stop supporting software encoders. I for one can't wait for that day

[12:00:18]

dverzolla:

GreyFoxx, hmmm...

[12:00:20]

dverzolla:

GreyFoxx, nice

[12:00:43]

Ruleke:

not that it matter for broadcast quality though :)

[12:00:53]

evilDagmar:

purple-processor: If you're using a Knoppix build you need to ask the Knoppix people about it

[12:00:57]

dverzolla:

Matrox Have Hardware Encoding?

[12:01:03]

evilDagmar:

Hahaha no

[12:01:21]

Juski:

pvr cards cost about twice as much as one of those software encoding cards.. but they're easily more than twice as good

[12:01:22]

evilDagmar:

purple-processor: Making things more interesting, you can't actually view any posts on that forum unless you're logged in, so the URL is useless ot us

[12:01:41]

purple-processor:

evilDagmar: oh yes sorry.. do you know if they have a IRc channel?

[12:01:48]

evilDagmar:

Juski: I dunno man, you pretty much have to buy *used* cards to get a Bt8x8 card for half what a PVR-150 costs online

[12:01:57]

evilDagmar:

purple-processor: As a matter of fact, they do have one. :)

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Juski:

evilDagmar: lol

[12:02:29]

evilDagmar:

Juski: Hauppauge is really putting the hurt on people trying to sell Brooktree cards at that price point

[12:02:36]

Juski:

good!

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Juski:

they deserve it :)

[12:02:53]

evilDagmar:

I've been telling people on GaiaOnline to get the Hauppauge cards

[12:02:59]

evilDagmar:

...nevermind why i'm on that site

[12:03:07]

Juski:

wtf _is_ that site?

[12:03:10]

evilDagmar:

It's mainly just to try and beat back the flames of idiocy in their tech forum

[12:03:11]

Ruleke:

no idea what that is :)

[12:03:16]

Juski:

affiliated with treehuggers.com?

[12:03:30]

evilDagmar:

Juski: No, it's a community site started by anime freaks out in SF

[12:03:43]

evilDagmar:

It's got little avatars and minigames and currency and so forth

[12:04:08]

Juski:

everytime I need a reality check I look at www.tv-cards.com/messageboard

[12:04:13]

evilDagmar:

I made enough "currency" from haunting the C&T forum telling newbies to stop spreading stupidity that I finally bought a werewolf suit to make it clear I was not to be messed with

[12:04:34]

Juski:

evilDagmar: sounds erm... well... erm... interesting.. if you like that kinda thing ;)

[12:04:36]

evilDagmar:

There's guys there actually trying to tell people to wait for "DirectX 10 cards" to come out

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evilDagmar:

I'm like, hello, Microsoft doesn't not control nVidia or ATI. DirectX must support video cards, not the other way around

[12:05:38]

Ruleke:

double negative :)

[12:05:47]

Ruleke:

subconciously you realize the truth

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dverzolla:

GreyFoxx, You use nuv2avi?

[12:06:20]

GreyFoxx:

dverzolla: Nope. I've never had to. I use all hardware encoding cards

[12:06:22]

evilDagmar:

Juski: Wow, I could answer a lot of questions on there... I even see someone needing a hardware-encoding half-height PCI card, but he's a windows user so scroo'im

[12:06:42]

Ruleke:

haha

[12:06:50]

Ruleke:

how idealistic

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Ruleke:

;p

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Juski:

evilDagmar: search for 'tuner problem'... note the number of results... then search for 'hauppauge problem' and count the # of results ;-)

[12:07:09]

evilDagmar:

As far as I'm concerned, all Windows support that comes out of me costs $$$

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Zider:

evilDagmar: well, there's hardware-encoding mini-pci cards, so why not ;)

[12:07:35]

Ruleke:

Juski: what about the hauppauge tuner problems ? :)

[12:07:38]

Juski:

they have people over there who think installing mythtv might make their tuner card work in Linux.. never mind drivers

[12:07:44]

evilDagmar:

lol

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Zider:

Juski: haha

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evilDagmar:

Zider: Umm... mini-PCI cards? You realize mini-PCI cards only go in notebooks, right?

[12:08:17]

Ruleke:

hehe

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Zider:

evilDagmar: no they don't

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evilDagmar:

half-height and low-profile are the two terms for the reduced size PCI cards for desktops

[12:08:33]

Ruleke:

also embedded boards :p

[12:08:44]

Juski:

most FAQ on there is 'help! I need TV turner to recud vids to my conscooter'

[12:08:45]

Zider:

evilDagmar: mini-itx has mini-pci too

[12:08:49]

evilDagmar:

I've never seen an ATX or mATX board with a mini-PCI socket on it

[12:09:02]

evilDagmar:

Oh, well, mini-itx is another matter. It's basically a notebook motherboard without a home

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Ruleke:

matx is for wannabe's ;)

[12:09:05]

Zider:

and there's mini-pci to full-pci converters too

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Juski:

I have a board with a mini-PCI socket on it

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Juski:

and a fullsize one

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Ruleke:

hurrah

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evilDagmar:

I'm still trying to get rid of those damn ASUS boards I bought last month

[12:09:55]

Juski:

not matx, not itx, not mini-itx, and not nano-itx. It's my S100

[12:10:13]

Zider:

evilDagmar: why?

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Kelerion:

nano-itx

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Kelerion:

?

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evilDagmar:

Zider: I think mainly because I'm in Nashville, and I could probably do better by mailing the local Linux user group mailing list

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Kelerion:

nevermind.. lol

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evilDagmar:

I may wind up giving one or two of them away as impromptu prizes at Phreaknic 10

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Ruleke:

Kelerion: epia-N for example

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Juski:

totally failed trying to get that BIOS dump out of my s100 box. making a USB stick bootable is one thing – putting DOS on it is something else

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Zider:

evilDagmar: what kind of asus boards is it?

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Juski:

bbl

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evilDagmar:

Zider: I bought _two_ ASUS A8V's, which will not work with an AGP video card and the PVR-500, ever because the BIOS is too stupid to know what to do with a second PCI bridge

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evilDagmar:

Zider: The third one is an A8V-MX I got from ZipZoomFly which *probably* works, but ther'es something buggered with the Antec 350W power supply I was trying to use that keeps the board from even POSTing

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evilDagmar:

I'm going to get with someone later this week and put it on a PSU tester and see what the hell is up with that

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Zider:

hmm

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evilDagmar:

You'd *think* that Antec PSUs would be sure to work with everything

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Zider:

A8V, that's AMD boards?

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evilDagmar:

It wouldn't work with the ASRock 939dual-SATAII board that I am using now

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evilDagmar:

...that's what got my attention that there might be something wrong with the brand new power supply. One DOA motherboard I can understand, but not two and definitely not the ASRock since I've heard of literally no DOA reports on those shipped

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evilDagmar:

Yep. I like my money so I buy AMD

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Ruleke:

amd also likes your money :)

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evilDagmar:

If a client specifically requests Intel, I can usually talk them out of it, but if they insist I'll do it

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Zider:

ah, otherwise I'd might be interested

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Zider:

I only use Intel :D

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evilDagmar:

Bah these things aren't expensive enough to even bother shipping which is why I'm going to try to just resell them to some people locally for a small loss

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Ruleke:

ideologic reasons ? anecdotal ? lottery winner ?

[12:15:32]

evilDagmar:

I can at least vouch that both the A8V's work flawlessly. I just can't use them with the damn PVR-500

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evilDagmar:

Ruleke: Usually it comes down to nothing more than price points

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Zider:

evilDagmar: strange problem..

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evilDagmar:

Zider: It's an annoying as hell problem is what it is. ASUS actually released BIOS updates that fix it on the A8V Deluxe and a couple of other variants, but not the plain A8V

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Zider:

I just got a mail.. they agreed to send me a S775-mobo as a replacement for my dead S478 :D

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Ruleke:

evilDagmar: yes the last remark was for zider :)

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evilDagmar:

I even went so far as to snatch out the updated module for the Deluxe board and try it

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evilDagmar:

Oh

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Zider:

Ruleke: hm, what?

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Ruleke:

nvm

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Zider:

Ruleke: I trust intel systems more, that's all..

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fatmatt:

evilDagmar: I've got issues running 2 dvb cards in an asus machine as well

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evilDagmar:

fatmatt: IDE cards?

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evilDagmar:

er IDE drives?

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fatmatt:

yeah

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Zider:

I doubt he'd run SCSI.. ;)

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evilDagmar:

Have you tried turning up the PCI latency to say, b0 (176) or so?

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fatmatt:

no

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evilDagmar:

If the cards are generating a lot of data, they can actually choke the IDE bus

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fatmatt:

how do you do that? bios setting? I was getting io errors on one of the hard drives as well

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Ruleke:

Zider: ok anecdotal then :)

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Zider:

Ruleke: whatever that is..

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evilDagmar:

Dingdingding that would be another symptom

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evilDagmar:

Ruleke: there's a think in the wiki about it, lemme try and find it

[12:21:07]

Ruleke:

based on stories and/or experience

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evilDagmar:

I had to do the same thing on my box for when things would go pear shaped from having both tuners on the PVR-500 going full throttle

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Ruleke:

evilDagmar: huh?

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Zider:

Ruleke: ah, yes.. both.. :D

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fatmatt:

evilDagmar: I couldn't get the 2nd dvb card to show up, the 1st one only worked if it was in a particular slot

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Ruleke:

Zider: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

[12:22:49]

Ruleke:

my point should be clear once you get the definition ;)

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evilDagmar:

Ruleke: Hehe I forgot I made edits to the page myself to fix some of the wacky grammar: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_Latency

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Zider:

Ruleke: well, I've worked with computer repairs, and my experience is that more AMD systems are causing problems than Intel..

[12:24:43]

Zider:

Ruleke: and now with core2duo there's no heat issue either :D

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evilDagmar:

fatmatt: Make sure they're not sharing an IRQ. Six-slot boards usually have some sharing going on

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fatmatt:

yeah, I think that was the problem, I couldn't work out how to stop it sharing.

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evilDagmar:

PCI buses only have four IRQs normally

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evilDagmar:

Six-slot boards tend to be wired so that 2 & 4 and 3 & 5 share IRQs, and the 1st one will almost always share IRQs with the AGP slot (which isn't that big of a deal since one blocks the other0

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evilDagmar:

...as in 2 & 4 share an IRQ, and 3 & 5 share an IRQ

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Zider:

what about the sixth slot?

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evilDagmar:

The sixth slot has it's own IRQ, not sharing with anything

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Zider:

ah

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evilDagmar:

...unless of course you install Windows98 with it's fscktarded ACPI implementation, in which case EVERYTHING will be on IRQ12 or somesuch

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fatmatt:

hmm, that's interesting, not 100% if I've got 6 slots.. but, it was the last slot that works with the dvb card

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evilDagmar:

fatmatt: You might wanna check for a BIOS update for the board while your'e at it

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evilDagmar:

If it's an Award board, you should see it enumerated on the system inventory screen (the thing that appears AFTER the memory count up)

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fatmatt:

evilDagmar: yeah, done that, had this machine a couple of years.

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Kelerion:

I need a better channel changing script... this just isn't reliable

[13:00:24]

Juski:

Kelerion: for the $ky box?

[13:03:07]

Kelerion:

yup

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Hoxzer:

huummm

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Kelerion:

oh.. theres a new script in svn

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Hoxzer:

it has been 2 months when 0.19-fixes was edited

[13:04:16]

Kelerion:

gonna give that a go

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Juski:

Kelerion: you thought of trying one of them magical RF channel chango-doodahs?

[13:04:57]

Kelerion:

it's possible yes.. have seem them about... but I already have a blaster.. and I know I can make it work reliably.. have had it before

[13:07:07]

Juski:

if only they had working firewire ports on them thar boxen

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Kelerion:

yup.. have talked to them about it.. they are on the new HD boxes but disabled.. but they are planning on enabling them in the future

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Kelerion:

okies.. lets see if all that works :)

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Juski:

Kelerion: I honestly doubt they'll ever enable it to work with something like mythtv

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Kelerion:

yeah.. there'll probably be some catch if they do

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Kelerion:

enable it that is

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Juski:

omg my cpu is pegged encoding with ffmpeg

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Juski:

hahaha segfaulted. bugger

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Kelerion:

ouch

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dverzolla:

What is the lattest version of mythweb?

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gardengnome:

0.19. 0.20 coming soon.

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dverzolla:

gardengnome, Where I see a changelog?

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gardengnome:

in the wiki and in trac

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dverzolla:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . thweb/README

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dverzolla:

gardengnome, :D

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dverzolla:

gardengnome, You are developer of mythweb?

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gardengnome:

dverzolla: no.

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: how are your [S]'s today :)

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Merlin83b:

No idea, I've changed IP address and apparently forgotten to set up a cron to update my dynamic DNS :-(

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: you mean your router doesn't do that for you???

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Merlin83b:

I used to have a different router that didn't (linux box, dumb modem) so I signed up for a service to do it for me. I never changed the setup. I should probably do that.

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GreyFoxx:

stuarta: I haven't looked, but is the EIT cache generic enough that something else could insert program info?

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GreyFoxx:

Like a SAP/SDP listener for the IPTV folks ?>

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stuarta:

GreyFoxx: it's more a mechanism for asking have we seen this or not

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GreyFoxx:

Ok

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stuarta:

since the eit data repeats every 30s or so.

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah, the SDP/SAP broadcasts do as well

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stuarta:

it's basically a QMap tuned for eit

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stuarta:

use the non changing bits as the key, and the changable bits as the value...

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Juski:

ding ding

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gardengnome:

dong.

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Juski:

hey gardengnome how goes it?

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gardengnome:

slow. been doing homework half of the day. and for you?

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Juski:

slow. watched a lawn be installed this morning and just got back from having a haircut

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gardengnome:

haircut. hum. i should get one, too.

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Juski:

yeah ya frickin hippy ;)

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** gardengnome devours Juski **

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Juski:

back to my regulation 'grade 2'

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Juski:

can't be bothered to test my theme anymore. there's bound to be more snafus with it

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gardengnome:

heh

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gardengnome:

i might be testing svn trunk tonight .)

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Juski:

I compiled a new checkout this morning. no doubt it's 20 revs out of date by now :-P

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gardengnome:

that's one of the reasons why i don't really want to buy a new CPU. they might have switched to a different socket by the time it arrives.

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

omg the obsoletedness!

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jonK_:

I'm considering just breaking down and acquiring the flowbee

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Aid`:

Juski: remember asking you how to use zap2it and mythtv and have multiple sources and you said wait till i have everythin working on my end? well i do but now i need to know how to setupmultiple sources for the guide

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Aid`:

md10md: where in michigan are you?

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md10md:

GR?

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md10md:

why

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Aid`:

im from the upperpenninsula

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Juski:

there's a place in michigan called GR ? how the hell do you pronounce that?

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md10md:

ah I see

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md10md:

Grand Rapids

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Juski:

heh

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md10md:

can anyone check if they can get to mysettopbox.tv

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md10md:

it's down for me

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Juski:

looks like it's down here too (UK)

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md10md:

alright, thanks

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Juski:

"parser not found for codec id: 94212" ???? what the???

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Kelerion:

ok..so whatcha broken? :P

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Juski:

Kelerion: dunno yet. made disctlean & am recompileryfying

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** Juski has 2nd thoughts **

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Juski:

may aswell svn update while I'm on

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Kelerion:

this your backend am presuming?

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Juski:

no.. test box

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Kelerion:

ahh

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Brian35:

I have a problem w/ mythtv where it is not detecting all of my channels. (when I run a channel scan) I have determined that the signal is there because I can manually tune to the channel and watch it inside of myth (in another terminal run ivtv-tune)..the quality is not very good cable which may be causing some of the problem, but I don't think so. I'm trying to upgrade to ivtv version 0.7.0 and a new kernel right now because the gu

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Brian35:

y next door (running that) it works fine for him. Any other things I shoudl try?

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inful:

Anybody here who knows if it is possible to utilize the MPEG2 decoder on a PVR-350 to play DVD's?

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Juski:

Brian35: analogue scanning doesn't work for pvr150s or pvr500 cards, FYI

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Brian35:

...I have a 500

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Brian35:

it works up to channel 13 the channel scan

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Juski:

Brian35: if you're in the USA, configure your channel lineup with zap2it

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Juski:

as it says to in the multitude of howto guides out there :)

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Brian35:

yeah, I've done that

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Brian35:

then it just stops working after channel 13

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inful:

..or have mythmovie use the pvr-350 to play mpeg2-encoded content via the pvr-350?

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lmpbzktwn5:

Hey, I can't get the channel icons to update-- I get an error: "Can't find all channels link." Any suggestions?

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kormoc:

find the all channels link?

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lmpbzktwn5:

kormoc: yeah, after running "perl mkiconmap.pl", it asks for zip, and then service, i enter that, it runs, and gives that message

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** Juski thinks that script may be broken **

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lmpbzktwn5:

kormoc: along with "Error unable to open outfile file: "iconmap.xml" for writing at /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.19/contrib/mkiconmap.pl line 110"

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Juski:

usually happens when someone rearranges the site it scrapes

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lmpbzktwn5:

hmmm... any way to fix this?

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Juski:

lmpbzktwn5: download the icons yourself & configure myth to use em... != rocketscience ;-)

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lmpbzktwn5:

i know how to do the downloading part ;)

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lmpbzktwn5:

but how do i configure myth to use them?

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Juski:

within the channel editor in mythtv-setup

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lmpbzktwn5:

oh that's all?

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Juski:

I said it's not rocket science didn't I?

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lmpbzktwn5:

haha ok thanks man

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lmpbzktwn5:

i appreciate it

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Kelerion:

general linux question... what can I use to scan my network of all ip's.. ie, scan a subclass and see what machines are live?

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Tronic:

Kelerion: nmap

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Tronic:

nmap -sP 10.1.0.0/24, IIRC

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Juski:

teatime :)

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Tronic:

If you only care about Linux machines, ping the broadcast.

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Kelerion:

thats the one.. thanks

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Tronic:

Linux machines respond to a broadcast ping, Redmondian ones don't.

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Kelerion:

ahhh... theres my lost machine.. lol

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Tronic:

Kelerion: There's also this howto-film for nmap: http://insecure.org/nmap/nmap_haxxxor.html

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gardengnome:

hahahaha :)

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gardengnome:

that girl ain't pretty, though

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** Juski thought a haxxxor was what you'd use to cut metal **

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drdaz:

lo all... I've just tried checking out svn head, and I'm unable to build mythtv...

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drdaz:

I'll stick the error output on pastebin

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Juski:

I'll get my coat

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drdaz:

here: http://pastebin.ca/154896

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drdaz:

u cold? :D

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drdaz:

guess not

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drdaz:

anywho.. if anybody knows what could be causing that... do shout out

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phpmattk_:

hey, im in the middle of installing fedora 5 for use as a myth backend.. i am wondering the best way to setup hard drives, some guy is saying to do /boot /swap / as ext and then the rest (/video) as jfs or xfs, however, druid doesnt give jfs or xfs options

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drdaz:

you can start the FC4 installer with flags to allow them..

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phpmattk_:

ahhhh ok

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drdaz:

can't recall what they are exactly... but something like -xfs

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phpmattk_:

k, cool, i'll check the list of options, im sure its in there somewhere

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drdaz:

I'm not sure they're documented actually..

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drdaz:

or officially documented

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drdaz:

google a bit

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drdaz:

that's where I found them :)

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phpmattk_:

yeah, im lookin now on the cd, not there.. so google it is

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Jusk1:

lol. there's a bug in 0.19-fixes if you use a theme which is compatible with SVN

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phpmattk_:

you just type: linux jfs to start the installer, easy enough

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drdaz:

that's the one :)

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Jusk1:

the 'stereo', 'cc' and 'hd' icons display all the time in 0.19-fixes. whoops

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drdaz:

heh

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Jusk1:

so much for themes being backwards-compatible then

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drdaz:

well... it's not a biggie is it?

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Hoxzer:

:D wtf "jusk1" did somebody stole your nick?

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Jusk1:

who cares?

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Jusk1:

they can take over all the work I have to do aswell :-P

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opello:

heh

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Jusk1:

if someone wants to assume my identity let them – along with all the responsibilities ...

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Jusk1:

just read the news. looks like all my HDDs need a level 5 wiping :-|

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Hoxzer:

Wipe My warez

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xris:

melunko: please move the conversation here

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melunko:

xris: ok

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v j-rod_

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xris:

melunko: you're using .19, right?

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xris:

and watching livetv, and the recordings change.. what are they changing from/to?

[18:45:40]

sphery:

So, melunko, you're saying it stops at "unusual" times--i.e. not at the time the listings call the end of one show and the begining of another?

[18:45:49]

melunko:

the file name changes from 1000_xxx.nuv to 1000_yyy.nuv

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sphery:

that would be a start time change

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melunko:

sphery: actually I don't have program information here

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sphery:

which should only happen at program boundaries (according to the program listing)

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sphery:

Or at 30-minute intervals (with no guide data)

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xris:

melunko: no, it doesn't change. a new file is created.

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sphery:

or at 8-hour intervals if you have guide data and the show is longer than 8 hours

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melunko:

sphery: OK, so this is the answer

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sphery:

So, you're getting the 30-minute program change

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sphery:

You need real guide data

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sphery:

:)_

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melunko:

xris: yes, new file, i see

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Jusk1:

warez? I don't have any warez. sheesh man

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melunko:

sphery: but how it is currently implemented in the frontend? I mean, now I am using FileTransfer command, but don't know the new name

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melunko:

or even when the new one is created

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kormoc:

melunko, what are you trying to do?

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melunko:

kormoc: I am trying to do a lightweight frontend

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kormoc:

melunko, well, all the data on the recording info is stored in the database

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sphery:

melunko: The best I could say is to look at the mythfrontend code to see how it handles LiveTV chain changes.

[18:50:25]

sphery:

I think there's a table of current show/next show info

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melunko:

sphery: I tried :(

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sphery:

perhaps the one called tvchain

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melunko:

sphery: I saw the table changes, and a new line is created (tv_chain, etc), but I just wonder that myth protocol had some command to help

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sphery:

Couldn't say. I haven't read through any of that code (I don't use LiveTV). Sorry.

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drdaz:

is anybody able to build the current svn?

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melunko:

sphery: ok, thanks

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sphery:

drdaz: I could tell you in about 3 hours. ;)

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sphery:

(Slow CPU/slow compiles.)

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drdaz:

heh..

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sphery:

melunko: gl with the code

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melunko:

sure

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Jusk1:

lightweight frontend?

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** gardengnome checks out svn trunk... **

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melunko:

Jusk1: yes, I mean, not using QT, and a simple UI very unconnected to the engine

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sphery:

melunko: you may want to check out TapeWorm, too (if you can get the source for it)

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sphery:

similar purpose.

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Jusk1:

melunko: I've been tempted to flex my puny coding arm for just a thing myself

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melunko:

sphery: I will check it. How does it play the media files?

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sphery:

I think it uses WMP or whatever is installed on a Windows machine.

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sphery:

(It's Windows-specific, but was very lightweight, AIUI)

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melunko:

Is it WinMyth?

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** drdaz shudders **

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gardengnome:

no, tapeworm. :)

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melunko:

:)

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melunko:

So, for sure you have or had the same problems than I have :)

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melunko:

sphery: Do you have details? Does it play live tv? I don't know how a myth parasitic could do that

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drdaz:

melunko: I think it depends on the type of tv card u have

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drdaz:

with software encoders it can prolly do it... but with the ivtv cards it likely can't...

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drdaz:

not 100% sure of that tho..

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melunko:

drdaz: How does it access the myth folder in the server? HTTP? SMB?

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drdaz:

smb IIRC

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drdaz:

@rse... back to 0.19-fixes I go

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gardengnome:

drdaz: if you run into problems, you should consider filing a bug report...

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drdaz:

I should.. but it's almost certainly something dumb on my part

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drdaz:

I just have no idea what that might be :)

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mchou:

drdaz: I think you have it the other way around. tapeworm works w/mpeg2 (ivtv) but not sw encoded (nuv)

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drdaz:

hmm... that's quite possible actually... I'm prolly getting mixed up with DSMyth..

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drdaz:

that handles live TV from S/W encoders fine..

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drdaz:

but not so mpeg2

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drdaz:

nor (iirc) dvb

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Juski:

so much for GAIM being 'improved'

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drdaz:

when did it get improved?

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drdaz:

or... 'improved'

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drdaz:

hmm... that compile issue I was having isn't SVN related it seems...

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drdaz:

I just tried compiling my 0.19-fixes source and..

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drdaz:

same deal

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drdaz:

I installed the new nVidia legacy drivers yesterday...

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drdaz:

I've got this odd feeling that might be the issue...

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drdaz:

check now I will

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drdaz:

neat... I installed the older 7676 drivers... and the build seems to be working now

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drdaz:

gotta love proprietary software :p

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AndyCap:

btw, anyone have a suggestion for making the mythtv display to fit my tv? I think the OSD gets lost in overscan. and scaling it down really sucks up a lot of cpu.

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psofa:

AndyCap, if you are using an nvidia card theres an overscan option which you can change from xorg.conf or using nvidia-settings.Other than that iirc mythtv can scale down if the video/ui doesnt fit

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drdaz:

wow... 0.20 is nice...

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nero_office:

0.20 was released??

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nero_office:

or just svn..

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jams:

nope

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drdaz:

just svn

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nero_office:

ahh. ok.. good.. thought I'd missed something..

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drdaz:

but looking @ the milestones it's awful close to what 0.20 will be

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jams:

nero_office- expect to wait another week or two

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nero_office:

jams, no worries.. I am running svn..

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jams:

then another week after that, just because stuff happens

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Aid`:

if im converting HDTV to SDTV what SDTV res should i use?

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Aid`:

hi

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roger55:

What do I need to do in order to switch from xmltv to eit scans only? does mythtv add EIT results to the db all by itself or is it called by mythfilldatabase?

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janneg:

roger55: select eit-only as videosource and activate useonairguide for all channels. the backend collects the data but you should run mythfilldatabase from time to time to remove old record rules and program data

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roger55:

janneg, I did the eitonly but where do I set the useonairguide?

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nix_chix0r:

i was wondering if myth-tv records the shows with out the commercials or if you can program it to do so

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janneg:

roger55: in the channel editor or mythweb/setting/channels

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roger55:

janneg, thanks.

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janneg:

nix_chix0r: we would do so if you or anyone else can show us a reliable way not to record the commercials

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nix_chix0r:

haha

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nix_chix0r:

ok

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janneg:

we have a commercial scanner which may works (depending on the program)

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word:

Why if the only thing i'm running thats web based from my computer is mythweb...are there 11 different apache2 processes...and a 12th one that pops in for a split second every once in awhile?

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janneg:

for germany (and I think europe in general) it is not that reliable, but I heard it works pretty good in the US

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Agrajag-:

word: that's how your apache is setup to run

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word:

Agrajag-: can i change that? because it seems to be taking up a lot of memory 15k * 11 :-/

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Agrajag-:

word: that's not a lot of memory in my book.. but yeah you can, look for the server pool stuff in your apache config

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word:

Agrajag-: well flock (firefox based browser) + session saver seems to be using 600k..so i have to cut back where i can ><

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word:

Agrajag-: wheres the apache config?

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Agrajag-:

depends on your distro, but probably /etc/apache2/apache2.conf or something

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word:

yup that's the one thanks

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Agrajag-:

search for StartServers or something. read the apache2 config docs to figure out exactly what you need/want to change

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xris:

nix_chix0r: that would imply that there was a way to detect commercials when they happen

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nix_chix0r:

xris, i figured that on my own thanks

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roger55:

is there a page about what came out of the SoC projects for mythtv?

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word:

i think i got it figured out Agrajag- i only have 4 computers that could be accessing it at one time and only 2 that would so i put max as 4..start servers as 3 min spare servers at 0 so there was no minimum...max as 3 and that seems to look right..

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word:

Agrajag-: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart?

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word:

ah seems 0 doesn't mean no minimum...

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xris:

roger55: just the public SoC info page

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roger55:

xris, does that mean they are all done and going into .20 ?

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word:

Agrajag-: thanks

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xris:

no

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xris:

nowhere near that

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xris:

I don't think even half of them completed enough to be worthy of payment

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xris:

a couple of nick's things will go into .20 mythweb if we can find the time to do it.

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roger55:

that was the ajax mythweb thingy?

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PuShPoP:

Is there a specific remote control that someone could recommend me for my mythbox?

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nero:

PuShPoP, most any remote should work..

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nero:

xris, the SOC stuff was that bad?? doh!

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PuShPoP:

ok

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nero:

PuShPoP, you can program pretty much any button on a remote through lirc.. I use my direcTV remote- has lots of buttons, and works well.. lots of people use the cheap rat-shack remotes, and some use $300 pronto's.. its whatever direction you want to go.

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PuShPoP:

IC ok

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PuShPoP:

thank you

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nero:

np

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