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Sunday, August 27th, 2006, 00:03 UTC

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sphery:

Anyone know what "Akismet rejected spam" means in Trac?

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Anduin:

sphery: Isaac runs a spam filter on it

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sphery:

It won't let me post a patch, a description of the patch, or even preview changes.

[00:04:05]

sphery:

Seems the filter is stuck...

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sphery:

:)

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CCFL_Man:

hmm..

[00:04:47]

CCFL_Man:

asd26: media center sucks

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Anduin:

sphery: You are registered?

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sphery:

Don't know.

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Anduin:

If not, that would explain it.

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sphery:

Is the registration a new thing or just the http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/settings thing?

[00:09:24]

sphery:

I did the settings thing a long time ago and have my name/e-mail entered.

[00:11:02]

Anduin:

sphery: New, though I could be thinking of "new and as yet not implemented", checking

[00:11:38]

sphery:

Yeah. I know they were talking about a registration that sends a confirmation e-mail, but hadn't seen anything about its being implemented, yet.

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CCFL_Man:

dammit i wish my rs232 adapter will come right now

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sphery:

Maybe they're implementing it right now.

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Anduin:

Seems an odd time to do it, as anonymous I do see what you are talking about.

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sphery:

For "Your email or username:", I have sphery <mtdean@thirdcontact.com >

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sphery:

It's getting it from my account settings thing (the session info).

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sphery:

Is that the only thing you changed?

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Anduin:

sphery: No, my initial check was as a real trac user, only thought to check anonymous which has the problem (anonymous being just the level, even with name/e-mail you are still anonymous in trac).

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sphery:

How do you become a real trac user (or do you mean as yourself with commit privileges)?

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Anduin:

sphery: Exactly, when you can use the Login button.

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Anduin:

And yeah, I see no odd new plugins, so yeah I'd bug Chutt

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sphery:

OK.

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sphery:

thx.

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nasa:

Could anyone give me suggestions on a hdtv? I am looking for something 44" wide (so it fits in my entertainment center). I would like it to be capable of up to 1080p — I don't really care what tech is used, just that it works well with myth.

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tjcarter:

UbunTV has begun, w00t!

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** tjcarter has finally started working on it **

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Anduin:

The trinity of MythTV specific major distros will be complete.

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tjcarter:

There's more than KnoppMyth?

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Anduin:

Mythdora or whatever it is called

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tjcarter:

The problem with KnoppMyth is that it isn't really quite Knoppix with isn't really quite Debian

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tjcarter:

so if you say want to install vim, you're boned.

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tjcarter:

go ahead, pull it out of Debian.. You will hose your Myth setup.

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tjcarter:

If UbunTV literally IS Ubuntu dapper with a few extra packages built for dapper, you can install whatever you want.

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CCFL_Man:

nasa: what 1080p contect do you have?

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CCFL_Man:

contect = content

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nasa:

None — just don't want to have to buy it again any time soon....

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CCFL_Man:

i prefer debian over ubuntu

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CCFL_Man:

nasa: so how much money you want to spend?

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Anduin:

tjcarter: Every Myth[Distro] but one seems a waste really, people should make packages better, if setup is too hard work on making setup easier for everyone.

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CCFL_Man:

i use the packages rather than distros

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Anduin:

CCFL_Man: As is right and proper.

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CCFL_Man:

Anduin: it's better that way i think

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nasa:

$5

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tjcarter:

Anduin: That is my plan.

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Anduin:

Once you have a myth live cd version so people can try it out, every other one-of seems a waste.

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CCFL_Man:

nasa: then get a computer mintor

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tjcarter:

Anduin: the problem is that setup really is too complex for Myth to not have some guidance.

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nasa:

actually, price is the 3rd requirement on my list — and it's flexible. Depends on what is available.

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Anduin:

tjcarter: Everyone says that, no one actually makes it easier in Myth (though work is planned)

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CCFL_Man:

tjcarter: it is complex, but that means it'll give you great functionality once configured

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CCFL_Man:

nasa: you have the hardware requirements for 1080p content?

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CCFL_Man:

1080p looks slightly sharper than 1080i, nothing special really

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CCFL_Man:

infact 1080i looks good anyway

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sphery:

tjcarter: And, when someone tries to simplify setup by deleting useless options, people who don't understand why the options are useless complain until the person trying to make it easier gives up and leaves the setting...

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nasa:

My real requirement is to spend the money *once*

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sphery:

Specifically, I'm talking about http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/207059#207059

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tjcarter:

Anduin: the problem ain't Myth IMO

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nasa:

The TV I have now, I have had for 8–10 years....

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CCFL_Man:

nasa: i hear you. but consumer equipment is so crappy these days

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tjcarter:

it's the OS, the kernel, the drivers, the firmwares...

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Anduin:

tjcarter: I certainly can't argue with that, though simply packaging them solves most of that.

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nasa:

CCFL_Man, are you suggesting I should wait?

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CCFL_Man:

nasa: i want to spend money once actually too, but lots of consumers don't feel that way

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CCFL_Man:

yes

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tjcarter:

Anduin: The problem is that Ubuntu doesn't want the 0.19 Myth packages that aren't broken.

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CCFL_Man:

there are panels that can do 1080p, but crt looks better

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Anduin:

tjcarter: Judging only from complaints in this channel, I though they didn't want 0.19 altogether.

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CCFL_Man:

i'd either wait or get a professional unit

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tjcarter:

therefore they are maintained outside of Ubuntu, and you have to know about them, and you have to get a kernel Ubuntu doesn't provide using instructions for edgy which don't work anymore, then you're still on your own for ivtv and lirc.

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tjcarter:

Anduin: I think they don't want MythTV period.

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nasa:

a professional unit? Like what?

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tjcarter:

unless they get it from Debian or somesuch

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Anduin:

tjcarter: There is no atrpms equivalent?

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tjcarter:

private repository

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CCFL_Man:

what sucks is the consumer standards like dvi-d and hdmi, they all have content protection and completely suck ass

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nasa:

No Kidding

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tjcarter:

but that still doesn't give you 2.6.17 (.15 only) nor ivtv (not in Ubuntu, period) nor any setup for lirc.

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CCFL_Man:

i want a decent set with hd-sdi instead of the shitty consumer standards

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greg:

hi

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CCFL_Man:

hd-sdi works and works well

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greg:

i reinstalled ubuntu

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greg:

someone willing to help me install mythtv?

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tjcarter:

Anduin: plus, you have to use the "alternate" (Debian) installer if you want basic things like LVM.

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** nasa is off to google hd-sdi **

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tjcarter:

LVM isn't very basic for a desktop, but for MythTV systems, LVM is pretty standard faire.

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Anduin:

tjcarter: ivtv will soon be in the kernel so that problem should disappear

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CCFL_Man:

hdmi has custom connectors and the cable fails if you fart by it

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tjcarter:

can we have fixed Samsung tuner in kernel? ;)

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tjcarter:

...is it possible to fix the Samsung tuner?

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** tjcarter is not convinced of this yet. **

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tjcarter:

hehe

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kekoa66:

Anyone run into this problem, I'm new to mythtv... I am trying to rip dvds through the frontend, I've got the mtd running and yet the frontend says "No Jobs. Checking and/or waiting for DVD", yet I put in a dvd and still nothing. I double check symlinks /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd and they point to correct device. I can mount just fine, what am I missing?

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CCFL_Man:

nasa: hd-sdi is the hd version of sdi, serial digital interface, it's a professional standard that uses one 75 ohm bnc cable to carry video

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Anduin:

kekoa66: And the configured in mythdvd device is pointing there?

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Anduin:

kekoa66: To the device... not a mount point

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kekoa66:

I am pretty sure it is, yeah to the device not the mount point

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Anduin:

kekoa66: and the user mtd is running at has access?

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kekoa66:

is it just in the main mythtv settings?

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nasa:

hmmm.... looks interesting. Read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Digital_Interface

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Anduin:

kekoa66: Yes.

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CCFL_Man:

newer tvs should come with an hd-sdi input, the mpaa can suck my ass

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kekoa66:

the mtd says it connects to database, but i notice it says:

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CCFL_Man:

nasa: yeah, it's a better interface

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kekoa66:

Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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kekoa66:

does that mean anything?

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kekoa66:

it says connected to the database afterwards

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CCFL_Man:

SDI and HD-SDI are currently only available in professional video equipment; various licensing agreements, restricting the use of unencrypted digital interfaces to professional equipment, prohibit their use in consumer equipment. <--the mpaa can fuck off and burn in hell

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nasa:

Well, more things to think about....

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Anduin:

kekoa66: mtd shouldn't use X

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kekoa66:

Anduin: ok got it

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Anduin:

kekoa66: But really usually when it doesn't work it is 1) the setting doesn't point to the device 2) the mtd user lacks permission for the device, etc.

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kekoa66:

Anduin, nevermind I am retarded :) I must not have escaped out of the menu when changing the device, now it is working

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kekoa66:

thanks for your help though

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kekoa66:

Anduin, I mean must *have* escaped out of the menu

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Anduin:

kekoa66: I figured

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greg:

can someone help me install mythtv?

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greg:

from nothing

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greg:

clean slate

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greg:

i reinstalled ubuntu

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** Anduin keeps from saying "wait for UbunTV" **

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nasa:

bbl

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greg:

im impatient

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Anduin:

That is a bad mix with annoying, I'd demand a refund.

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greg:

nah

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greg:

when ubuntv comin out?

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CCFL_Man:

greg: why don't you install debian?

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greg:

i nvr could figure out how to setup gnome after

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greg:

and ubuntu is very user freindly

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CCFL_Man:

gnome is crappy though, xfce is teh best

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AngryElf:

so, is there anyway to create new recording profiles? sports, drama, news, whatever?

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PaulWay:

Hi all!

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PaulWay:

Having trouble getting a PVR-250 working – no /dev/tuner0 device.

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PaulWay:

Can anyone tell me the major and minor numbers I should be using?

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PaulWay:

(I'm assuming it's a block device, like /dev/video0)

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AngryElf:

char-major-81–0

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AngryElf:

increment 0 for each additional tuner

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Anduin:

PaulWay: It is not, the tuner is a device it is an input on the device, you have a /dev/video0? You can capture video from it (cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg.... wait... Ctrl-C)?

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PaulWay:

We've got /dev/video0, but mythbackend complains that it can't see the tuner.

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Anduin:

PaulWay: Did it work before?

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AngryElf:

did you set it up in mythtv-setup?

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PaulWay:

Yes, but we've recently upgraded to Fedora Core 5.

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PaulWay:

And now it's doing strange things.

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AngryElf:

test it with cat/mplayer like Anduin said above

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PaulWay:

AngryElf: yes, it's set up there.

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Anduin:

PaulWay: The tuner name changed (it this is an old install)

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PaulWay:

I haven't tried removing it and reinstalling it.

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PaulWay:

Aaah, so maybe I should remove and reinstall.

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** PaulWay goes away and tries that. **

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Anduin:

PaulWay: Yeah, you can remove the card and set it up again (or change the DB manually)

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PaulWay:

Aaaah, I see, yes, Tuner 1 now.

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PaulWay:

And it's connected to the video source now, too.

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Anduin:

exactly

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PaulWay:

Yay!

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PaulWay:

Got it.

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PaulWay:

Thanks very much, people!

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PaulWay:

Gotta run.

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Juski:

hey hey hey sober people :)

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GreyFoxx:

Having a good night ?:)

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Juski:

I was til I got home. 3.45 am

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Juski:

been out since 6.30pm man... wha am I sozzled

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

time for a couple litres of water heh

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Juski:

nah glass of milk & a crisp (chips) sandwich :)

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GreyFoxx:

On the rare occassion I drink, I end the night with a litre or 2 of water, and 2 tylenol

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GreyFoxx:

No dry mouth or hangover here :)

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Juski:

while I think on has anyone downloaded the 2.0 version of any projectgrayhem theme?

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Juski:

tylenol? never heard of that. sounds chemical

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** GreyFoxx has been playing with IPTV stuff all day **

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GreyFoxx:

tylenol, acetaminophen :)

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Juski:

that read like 'ace-amphetamin' lol

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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Juski:

nah a good lie in will sort me out. unlike poor mrs juski today. she was shredded

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Juski:

manchester was like Newcastle tonight... queues to get in bars,queues at the bar, queues for every damn thing. it's amazing I managed to get even tipsy

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GreyFoxx:

Why? Just a normal Saturday night ? Or something special ?

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Juski:

manchester pride weekend.. massive LGBT festival thingy and quite honestly the best nights out of the year manchester can offer (at least for the atmosphere)

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GreyFoxx:

ahhhh

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GreyFoxx:

Sounds like fun :)

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Juski:

yeh. didn't see any pixies this year though, which I was slightly disappointed about (last year there were female pixies wearing not much more than body paint & prosthetic ears)

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Juski:

anyway.. having serious trouble staying awake now so I think I'd best head of to Bedfordshire

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GreyFoxx:

mmmm pixies

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GreyFoxx:

night :)

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Juski:

g'night

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EricL:

Hello all. I have searched the mailing lists and to no avail. I have 2 cards in (PVR250 and BT878) and everytime I try to Watch TV, the cpu load goes up to 100% and I can't do anything but restart X, any ideas?

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EricL:

The PVR250 works when its the only card in there.

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markl_:

mythcommflag question: the --help doesn't list these options, what do these do: -j 185 -V 3

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Anduin:

EricL: codec type, settings and CPU type along with card selection for Watch TV could all factor in, vt878 card works with tvtime (or other, non-myth app)?

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EricL:

Anduin: I haven't tried the other card (not that I know how to test them individually anyway.

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EricL:

I found someone on the mailing list who has the same problem I do, but I see nowhere where the problem is solved: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 0166;#209441

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Anduin:

EricL: Only in that he sees a lockup? or do you have more in common?

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EricL:

I get that same error

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EricL:

With the device 166, same major and minor opcodes and 0x0 resource id.

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Anduin:

EricL: Yeah, later on in that thread it is explained that it is somewhat normal.

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EricL:

I thought that "somewhat normal" comment was referring to the "You likely won't get any video error"

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Anduin:

Yeah, it should now just fall back to Xv I believe.

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EricL:

I must have something butchered in the configuration then because it happens when I go to watch livetv or when I try to play something that I previously recorded.

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Anduin:

EricL: The message? That would be normal (you've built with XvMC), the high usage wouldn't be.

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EricL:

Anduin: It starts doing something that puts the process in blocking mode and sends my load up to 100% usage.

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Anduin:

EricL: Sure, but the bt878 being there should change the load when you play back already recorded shows.

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EricL:

I mean I get a blank screen and the load goes through the roof when I try something.

[03:41:28]

EricL:

Like anything that uses either of the cards.

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Anduin:

Ok, so watch previously recorded things works fine then?

[03:43:52]

EricL:

Anduin: Nope, watching previously recorded things do the same thing. They blank screen and freeze the machine.

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EricL:

Anduin: Any ideas?

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tjcarter:

'ere goes nothing

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Anduin:

EricL: playback of prerecorded items doesn't involve the capture cards in any way, I'd look at the video driver, disable XvMC, etc.

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** tjcarter expects that channels 54, 55, and 56 will continue to fail **

[03:52:40]

tjcarter:

umm

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mchou:

EricL: what cpu you got?

[03:52:48]

LoopdeLoop:

I'm a complete linux/mythtv newb trying to install mythtv and was wondering if someone could help with a problem I'm having. Specifically, I have mythtv mostly up and running. However, I cannot get the channel guide to work properly, despite registering for a zap2it account. I've tried filling the mythtv database by running "mythfilldatabase" in a terminal, but it kicks out alot of connection errors and says "Table 'mythconverg.dd_v_pr

[03:52:49]

LoopdeLoop:

this problem?

[03:53:09]

tjcarter:

why do I have /dev/video[0–2] (expected) and /dev/video{24,25,32,33} ?

[03:53:14]

EricL:

mchou: P4 2.4GHz Xeon

[03:53:39]

mchou:

EricL: heh, it aint the cpu then unless it's overheating :)

[03:54:02]

EricL:

Anduin: How do I disable XvMC?

[03:54:04]

Anduin:

LoopdeLoop: Those are temporary tables actually created during the run, use a paste site and paste the exact errors, though the cause is probably lack of permissions (MySQL)

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EricL:

And what could the video driver be screwing up?

[03:55:01]

LoopdeLoop:

Anduin, that's what I've been led to believe through googling, but mysql and I ain't exactly friends. (= One sec and I'll upload the output somewhere

[03:55:18]

EricL:

I also only seem to have /dev/video{0,1,24,32}, is that correct?

[03:55:43]

Anduin:

EricL: Settings | TV Setting | Playback | first page: preferred MPEG2 decoder

[03:56:32]

EricL:

And right now, /dev/video is pointing to /dev/video24, is that correct?

[03:56:39]

Anduin:

tjcarter: expected, the ivtv site should give you more info on the other devices

[03:59:01]

tjcarter:

Anduin: okay. Now, the thing I don't expect is how confused things get because I have a bt879-based cheap framegrabber and a PVR-500..

[03:59:11]

** tjcarter attempts to load bttv first **

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LoopdeLoop:

Anduin: http://paste.uni.cc/9753

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tjcarter:

If I'm real lucky, that'll work in 2.6.17 properly.

[03:59:37]

tjcarter:

I'm seldom real lucky ;)

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EricL:

tjcarter: That's the same problem I'm having right now except I have a PVR 250.

[04:00:49]

tjcarter:

The problem is, I think, that bttv sees the first half of the '150 and then the Sabrent pieceofcrap.

[04:00:54]

Anduin:

LoopdeLoop: You should use -fixes, MySQL 5 see repeat as a keyword.

[04:01:04]

tjcarter:

there's another problem I'm having..

[04:01:08]

mchou:

tjcarter: huh???

[04:01:38]

tjcarter:

[17179595.848000] device-mapper: dm-linear: Device lookup failed

[04:01:39]

tjcarter:

[17179595.848000] device-mapper: error adding target to table

[04:01:55]

tjcarter:

lots of that, then it proceeds to just mount /myth despite the errors

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mchou:

tjcarter: dm is device mapper, not myth related....

[04:02:30]

tjcarter:

mchou: building new box with room for PVR-500 (for Myth) and this pieceofcrap Sabrent intended for use with my Playstation

[04:02:55]

tjcarter:

mchou: and um, I'm trying to follow directions, which included LVM..

[04:02:58]

mchou:

tjcarter: so? bttv and pvr500 coexist just fine

[04:03:16]

tjcarter:

I seem to have no control over the order they come up in.

[04:03:25]

tjcarter:

No control == no way to configure Myth

[04:03:25]

mchou:

tjcarter: sure you do

[04:03:39]

mchou:

tjcarter: that depends on your distro

[04:03:51]

tjcarter:

no, I exercised what control I SHOULD have (load bttv first in /etc/modules), but it didn't.

[04:04:13]

mchou:

tjcarter: /etc/modules does not determine load order

[04:04:45]

tjcarter:

apparently not.

[04:04:50]

mchou:

tjcarter: lol

[04:05:18]

mchou:

tjcarter: so move on to the next thing that does determine load order

[04:05:31]

tjcarter:

I'm having three different problems here.

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mchou:

tjcarter: we're only interested in myth problems, which dont include lvm

[04:06:13]

EricL:

Whoa, the auido just started with no video and then it cut.

[04:06:20]

tjcarter:

Are you going to laugh because I can't piece together the misinformation, disinformation, obsolete information, outright lies, and occasional bits of documentation, or are you going to suggest a solution? =/

[04:06:27]

EricL:

cut=froze.

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mchou:

tjcarter: RTFM for your distro

[04:07:05]

EricL:

It sends Xorg into a frenzy of CPU load though.

[04:07:12]

tjcarter:

It's Ubuntu, there is no FM. The second I wanted 2.6.17 I was in uncharted territory.

[04:07:22]

mchou:

tjcarter: and considering you STILL havent told us what distro you're using dont expect anyone to help

[04:07:36]

EricL:

I don't even know what its doing that causing that load.

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mchou:

tjcarter: Ubuntu is based on debian

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tjcarter:

I spent all day trying to figure out how to compile a kernel that didn't panic immediately because the docs available are outright wrong.

[04:08:30]

mchou:

tjcarter: so?

[04:08:58]

mchou:

tjcarter: you take out your fustration on us in the myth channel?

[04:09:17]

mchou:

cause you couldn't compile a working kernel?

[04:10:06]

tjcarter:

mchou: no, I'm taking frustration out on YOU because you're being an elitist dork because YOU got it working and apparently I should be able to figure it out apparently with a ouija board.

[04:10:23]

mchou:

tjcarter: right.....

[04:11:03]

tjcarter:

your answer to two of the three problems I have was "works for me" and "not our problem"

[04:11:41]

mchou:

tjcarter: dude, this is the myth channel. you have issues with lvm go to #lvm

[04:12:13]

tjcarter:

Anduin: THAT is why people need custom dists for Myth.

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mchou:

tjcarter: and I already told you to RTFM debian on module load order.

[04:13:03]

EricL:

I only seem to have /dev/video{0,1,24,32}, is that correct for a PVR250 and bt878 card?

[04:13:11]

mchou:

tjcarter: why dont you use windows instead and save us all some grief

[04:13:19]

EricL:

with /dev/video -> /dev/video24?

[04:13:19]

Anduin:

EricL: Yes.

[04:13:21]

mchou:

EricL: that is correct

[04:14:00]

EricL:

Any ideas as to what could be causing the initial audio with no video right into excessive CPU usage in Xorg?

[04:14:06]

tjcarter:

mchou: The only things I find on module load order for Debian or Ubuntu are people complaining that they can't seem to get the order right for various things (usually ethernet interfaces)

[04:14:51]

mchou:

tjcarter: yeah, whatever

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Anduin:

EricL: What timing method are you using?

[04:15:10]

EricL:

Anduin: I don't know, where do I find that answer?

[04:15:14]

fysa:

tjcarter: when I was using ubuntu, I had to screw around with initrd scripts to get my modules to load properly.

[04:15:28]

fysa:

by default, it just had too much discovery.

[04:15:49]

Anduin:

EricL: Same page as the MPEG2 decoder

[04:16:06]

EricL:

tjcarter: Everything worked fine for me under Debian, but I am here trying to figure out why it doesn't work under Ubuntu.

[04:16:34]

tjcarter:

fysa: yeah, I may have to do that at this rate. It wouldn't be terribly difficult to do that, but it's not exactly a clean solution.

[04:16:58]

tjcarter:

EricL: This is what I get for upgrading hardware =)

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fysa:

there are some initrd scripts in /etc/ somewhere, and then it referenced some in /usr/share/(doc?)/initrd-tools or something silly.

[04:17:50]

EricL:

Anduin: The only timing references on that page are "realtime prioerity threads" (checked) and "video as timebase" (unchecked).

[04:18:31]

EricL:

Could there possibly be an issue with card priority that's causing this?

[04:18:36]

Anduin:

EricL: OpenGL vsync?

[04:18:52]

tjcarter:

fysa: yeah, looking at it indicates that bttv should load first.

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EricL:

Anduin: (And again with the dumb question) How do I find that out?

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Anduin:

EricL: It was right above the last one

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** tjcarter would injure for a /proc/v4l/devices or something **

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EricL:

Its not.

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Anduin:

EricL: You may want to disable realtime threads for testing as well

[04:21:06]

Anduin:

EricL: and your MPEG2 decoder is 'Standard'?

[04:21:32]

EricL:

The MPEG2 decoder is standard...but I don't see anything referencing OpenGL vsync.

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fysa:

maybe you should blacklist your ivtv and load it manually in rc.d. :P

[04:22:22]

Anduin:

EricL: It is possible to compile without it I believe, it would be immediately above the thread setting

[04:23:13]

EricL:

Immediately above the thread setting is the MPEG2 decoder.

[04:23:36]

EricL:

Anduin: Are you suggesting I rebuild Myth with OpenGL vsync?

[04:23:49]

Anduin:

EricL: ok, frontend log should have "Video timing method: "

[04:23:59]

Anduin:

EricL: No, I was going to have you disable it.

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tjcarter:

fysa: I'm starting to consider that. Actually, the big problem is that I'm not sure what's autoloading crap--I don't have hotplug installed, so there must be some other tool that goes through and "helps"

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EricL:

Anduin: Hmmm, I don't see anything in the frontend log about Video timing method.

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fysa:

well, if you've upgraded kernels recently it very well could just be in your initrd..

[04:26:06]

fysa:

there's a config file that tells what modules to include in the initrd..

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GreyFoxx:

Anduin: I think I've found a bug. Using mythvideo, videolist with loading metadata turned on, anytime I move from a movie with a coverfile to one without the coverfile doesn't get updated if the file I'm moving to doesn't have one (or doesn't have any data beyond it's filename in the database)

[04:27:38]

Anduin:

EricL: Yeah, you'd need to run the frontend with -v general

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fysa:

and from my experience (it's been about a year), when I went to upgrade my kernel the installation process just packed as many of the then-loaded (lsmod) modules into the initrd as it could.

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: Hmm, I fixed a bug that was very like that (only part of the poser would stay when switching), I'll try to reproduce it.

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tjcarter:

fysa: that could be it

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EricL:

Anduin: Still nothing about video timing method and I used -v general even though I have it on by default.

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Anduin:

EricL: This is 0.19?

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EricL:

Anduin: Yep, svn actually.

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EricL:

Anduin: I still don't see a video timing method with "mythfrontend -v all | grep -i timing"

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Anduin:

EricL: Then I'd say it is hanging before there, or there really is no output device

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EricL:

So those lines: "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or unitialized input device 166 Major opcode: 144 Minor opcode: 3 Resource id: 0x0 Failed to open device"

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EricL:

Those lines are likely indicitive of the problem?

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tjcarter:

fysa: This thing uses yaird to make the initrd

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Anduin:

EricL: It seems possible, I was largely going by that thread.

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EricL:

Anduin: Do you have any idea what that error means? Googling is giving me nothing.

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Anduin:

EricL: I was mostly certainly it was the XvMC buffer creation failing.

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EricL:

I don't even have that setting in my playback settings.

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Anduin:

EricL: Can you put a chunk of your frontend log on a paste site?

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EricL:

Anduin: Sure, with what verbosity?

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Anduin:

EricL: -v general,playback

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: My production install is currently broken, if I can reproduce the bug later I'll check in a fix, otherwise I'll get more info from you.

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EricL:

http://pastebin.com/776989

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EricL:

This is everything right up to where I have to restart X.

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tjcarter:

w00t!

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tjcarter:

modifying yaird config did the trick

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tjcarter:

lvm problem can be temporarily ignored

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Anduin:

EricL: The only unusual thing I can see it that it started to exit, which isn't much of a clue.

[04:56:39]

EricL:

I'm all for trying to figure out what's going on here and trying a list of things.

[04:57:23]

EricL:

I just don't have a clue where to begin.

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Anduin:

EricL: The log looks the same for prerecorded?

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EricL:

I didn't check for -v playback, but they do look the same for -v general,important

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Anduin:

EricL: I always for get if you can actually disable important, can you do it once more, on something prerecorded with -v playback,general,important?

[05:00:15]

EricL:

Now its playing the audio but no video with a prerecorded thing.

[05:00:31]

EricL:

But its still sending the CPU load to 100%.

[05:03:36]

EricL:

http://pastebin.com/776993 <-- Playback version sending the CPU load up.

[05:06:14]

EricL:

Might it have anything to do with the fact that I have an nVidia GeForce FX 5200 and it may not be loading properly?

[05:08:19]

Anduin:

EricL: That file appears to have no video

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Anduin:

EricL: It is possible, did you setup the nvidia driver? run any tests?

[05:09:16]

EricL:

Nope, I have no idea how to even go about doing that.

[05:09:27]

EricL:

All I know is that X is running just fine.

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Anduin:

EricL: run xdpyinfo | grep NV-

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EricL:

Anduin: I get nothing.

[05:16:57]

Anduin:

EricL: xdpyinfo | grep XV

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EricL:

It says: "XVideo"

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Anduin:

EricL: Did you compile this yourself?

[05:20:51]

EricL:

Anduin: Yep.

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Anduin:

EricL: Can you put a mythfrontend --version up on that paste site?

[05:21:39]

thechris:

i have a few issues ATM with mythtv.

[05:21:47]

thechris:

for one auto-expire has ceased

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EricL:

Anduin: http://pastebin.com/777009

[05:24:57]

EricL:

I just installed some nvidia stuff (from apt) and I think I going to update and rebuild myth and see if it makes ANY difference.

[05:25:12]

thechris:

second on the list is an issue where i cannot get out of the "watch videos" menu

[05:25:41]

thechris:

though the recordings inability to auto-expire is a more major issue at this time

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Anduin:

thechris: Is that only after you watch a video, or just any time you enter it.

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Anduin:

EricL: Shouldn't need to rebuild Myth just for a new video driver

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EricL:

Anduin: I installed the protected kernel modules. One of them "should be" the nvidia driver and I would assume (although maybe incorrectly) that rebuilding myth with that loaded may have a different outcome.

[05:30:57]

Anduin:

EricL: Yeah Myth won't care

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Anduin:

thechris: Which way is the auto-expire failing?

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tjcarter:

okay, last one, and this should be easy

[05:32:11]

tjcarter:

wow, it was =D

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EricL:

Anduin: So no ideas?

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Anduin:

EricL: So the new driver did nothing?

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tjcarter:

no it wasn't..

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thechris:

Anduin: it seems several episodes of certain TV shows do not expire

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tjcarter:

okay, I have a DB backup of record entries

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EricL:

Anduin: It wasn't really a new driver, just utilities.

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thechris:

while other TV shows do expire

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tjcarter:

when I restore these, they don't show up as to-be-recorded

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thechris:

all TV shows are set to auto expire

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Anduin:

thechris: And they are set to? (with an episode limit, and a delete and record new setting)

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tjcarter:

I think because I upgraded hardware the things don't know what they should record onto

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thechris:

i dont have any episode limits

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tjcarter:

suggestions for what to check?

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fysa:

make sure your backend still has permissions to your recordings dir.

[05:35:15]

thechris:

daily show, a lower priority show, doens't seem to be able to remove house, whith higher priority

[05:35:28]

thechris:

new episodes of house do get recorded though

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thechris:

so something had to go

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EricL:

Anduin: Nope, the new driver did it.

[05:36:08]

Anduin:

thechris: Which expire method do you have set?

[05:36:11]

EricL:

I needed to load the nvidiafb driver into the kernle.

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tjcarter:

fysa: new hardware

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tjcarter:

fysa: it's a database transfer issue I'm positive

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thechris:

Anduin: autoexpire

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tjcarter:

I didn't do a full backup/restore, I just backed up the programs recorded/to record

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Anduin:

thechris: There is a setting that tell it oldest or oldest + priority (maybe new)

[05:37:39]

thechris:

this is why i don't like using mythfrontend for this. but when i updated it broke mythweb...

[05:37:46]

thechris:

i will check this out

[05:37:49]

thechris:

thank you

[05:37:50]

Anduin:

EricL: I'd look into how to install the nvidia binary driver on your distro.

[05:38:21]

Anduin:

thechris: So it just expired the wrong show right?

[05:38:39]

EricL:

Anduin: Why, I got it working. All I have to do is add that to /etc/modules

[05:38:45]

tjcarter:

fysa: http://pastebin.ca/150663

[05:38:57]

tjcarter:

fysa: I think it's like the chanid or something?

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Anduin:

EricL: Whatever works for you.

[05:39:42]

tjcarter:

eg, maybe my chanids don't match anymore

[05:39:48]

EricL:

Anduin: Thanks for all the patience and help.

[05:40:13]

EricL:

Now the fun begins cause I get to play with the PiP and other dual TV card stuff.

[05:40:27]

thechris:

for some reason, the defaults were to auto-expire the lowest priority, including the currently recording show

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tjcarter:

OTOH, I could simply blow away the existing database with a full backup and reconfigure hardware the hardway.

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PaulWay:

Hi all again!

[05:45:36]

PaulWay:

Just going to try to get the infra-red remote working on a friend's newly upgraded FC5 Myth system.

[05:45:54]

PaulWay:

It's been working in the past, but the upgrade to FC5 and Myth 0.19 ATRPMS modules seems to have killed it.

[05:46:05]

PaulWay:

Any clues?

[05:46:16]

PaulWay:

E.g. does it show up as a /dev/input device?

[05:51:27]

adante:

so um with this nuvexport thing

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adante:

it just transcoded a 1.6 gb mpeg4 .nuv file into a 2.6gb 2pass avi which manages to look worse

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adante:

i was kind of hoping for an inverted result

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PaulWay:

Try lowering your screen resolution and bitrate settings in nuvexport.

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PaulWay:

The only reason it'd be expanding it will be if you use a bitrate and/or resolution that's higher than the one in MythTV.

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PaulWay:

Sorry, gotta go.

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tjcarter:

generally mpeg4 is going to be your best bet for size vs. quality

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tjcarter:

you probably want to tell it not to touch the video or audio streams to keep the same file size, but allow you to export to .mp4

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stevenm:

Hello. Using 0.19 and Radeon 9700/fglrx. The recording menu in the frontend is INSANELY slow

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stevenm:

normal menus are fine but choosing a recording takes 2–3 seconds

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stevenm:

Machine is P4 2.8GHz

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stevenm:

any ideas?

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adante:

ok so this nuvexport... people use it and it's generally considered GOOD right?

[08:11:07]

adante:

because it's doing really bizarre stuff now.. like transocding my 16:9 tv show into a 4:3 and applying vertical letterboxing to make it a 16:9 video

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adante:

i'm not sure, maybe other people prefer this behaviour, is there a way to perhaps bypass it

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Steak:

there is on Video Lan Client media playre

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Steak:

*player

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Steak:

dunno if there's anything similar, but in VLC you go to Video menu, and there's crop, stretch, etc

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Steak:

one thing that also happens, if you have a few dodgy divx movies, they'll actually have the black letterbox strips as part of the video

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Ribs:

hrm... what is the resolution of normal def PAL widescreen?

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fish__:

re

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Juski:

mornin'

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gardengnome:

aight.

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fish__:

i dunno whats going on with my sound.. after following "Setting the mixer from the command line" i hear my tv card all the time.. Line is muted but Capture is not

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gardengnome:

well, mute capture?

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gardengnome:

:)

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fish__:

gardengnome: i can't

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fish__:

its not mutable

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gardengnome:

humm.

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fish__:

and on http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html it isn muted too

[10:01:51]

gardengnome:

i think "Capture" is just some general mixer anyways.. is your tv card connected to your *line*-in or microphone in?

[10:02:04]

fish__:

yes, to line

[10:03:05]

fish__:

and mythtv has worked properly but after some struggling with vlc and v4l+sound it doesnt do that anymore :/

[10:05:22]

fish__:

uhmm.. now i ran tvtime and after exiting my mixer setting look like the same but i have no tv sound anymore..

[10:05:42]

gardengnome:

that's really weird. maybe it's some v4lctl setting...

[10:05:48]

fish__:

btw: i hate my soundblaster live, to much mixer channels...

[10:05:59]

gardengnome:

but i don't know much about those dumb framegrabber cards. :)

[10:07:15]

fish__:

arrrrr, after starting mythtv is have that problem again

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fish__:

and now my video is choppy too... like it was with vlc :(

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fish__:

gardengnome: is there a cheap analog+dvb-s card?

[10:09:16]

fish__:

ah

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fish__:

a good one ;)

[10:09:30]

fish__:

you know, like the pvr cards, with mpeg output

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gardengnome:

none that'd work with mythtv. these cards with an mpeg *de*coder are called full feature(d) cards, btw.

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fish__:

ah, yes, of course, every dvb card should output mpeg, right?

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fish__:

i have a dvb-t card too but here is no dvb-t coverage.. just moved here.. there where i lived before i had dvb-t :/

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fish__:

gardengnome: http://i22.ebayimg.com/01/i/08/1c/94/49_1.JPG <- should this card work fine with mythtv?

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gardengnome:

fish__: no clue, i can't really tell from the picture what card it is.

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dorel__:

fish__: im not sure but i think it's a wintv card

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dorel__:

fish__: just kidding :)

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tanq:

what is a good mid-range HD card that is easy to get setup.

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Juski:

re

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Juski:

fish__: the question would really be "should this card work fine in linux" not mythtv. Without knowing the exact model number it's hard to say.. i.e. don't buy it

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gardengnome:

heya Juski

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Juski:

hey gardengnome :)

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** Rule breaks down and compiles svn head **

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gardengnome:

heh.

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** Juski feels surprisingly well for it being the day after the 8 hours of drinking night out **

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Rule:

hurray

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gardengnome:

i'v read up on creating debian packages, remastering ubuntu install cds and on using debconf. i think my head is gonna explode soon. :)

[12:06:23]

gardengnome:

Juski: then wait till you sober up.. :)

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Juski:

my feet are killing me though. I wish they'd tarmac over those mancunian cobbles ffs

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** Juski eyes his hipflask full of Jack Daniels... hmmmmm **

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Rule:

haha dodgy

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Rule:

woo additional build deps

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Juski:

gardengnome: was a bit disappointed I didn't get to see the pixies this time around. typical since I had a camera with me :-|

[12:14:45]

gardengnome:

you should've drunk more. :)

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Zider:

Juski: only 8?

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Rule:

hmm VLC won't play a DVB recording.. sound is not played. darn

[12:15:45]

gardengnome:

Rule: try a different audio stream?

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Juski:

a night out of 8 hours wasn't too bad considering I'd been up & about since 6.30am

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Rule:

gardengnome: only one :/

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Juski:

Rule: I've only ever had that happen with 0.18 and PS mode recording.

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Rule:

shows no decoded blocks... agh

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Juski:

btw gardengnome did I tell you the new theme is available for test? It's not 'released' yet though.. need some testing to make sure there are no missing files. None AFAICT, but you know how that goes ;)

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gardengnome:

Juski: yeah, you told me, but i haven't had time yet :/ school is starting again tomorrow...

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gardengnome:

*blech*

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gardengnome:

!trout school boring

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** MythLogBot slaps school with a boring trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

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Juski:

heheh

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Juski:

public holiday here tomorrow. bliss :)

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scopeuk:

same here

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scopeuk:

duh same country

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scopeuk:

lol oops

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scopeuk:

stupid me

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Juski:

duh!

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scopeuk:

on the plus side uni doesent start for another 20 days or so

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Juski:

omg I spent Â£70 on booze yesterday

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scopeuk:

lol

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gardengnome:

heh

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Juski:

might have to rethink the upgrade plan...

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gardengnome:

just wait another month :)

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scopeuk:

atleast you have na upgrade plan

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gardengnome:

everyone has one, but usually, they're too expensive :))

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Rule:

hmmm EIT complains loudly when a program is not in the PAT

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scopeuk:

yeh ive found myselfa lovely plan unfurtunately its about 2k out of budget

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scopeuk:

the budget currently standing at 0

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Zider:

mine is adapted to the money I'm getting.. which for once is more than 0 :P

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scopeuk:

yeh im hoping to pick up a job at uni

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scopeuk:

jsuta few hours a week

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scopeuk:

so i can actually look towards a few of the finer thins

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gardengnome:

mine is like 1k (euro), but that's still a lot of money. i still wonder if i really need that raid 5... ;)

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Rule:

I have my raid5 now :)

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Rule:

built a backend from old spare parts

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Rule:

only bought a nice enclosure for the disks and a sata2 pci card :)

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scopeuk:

gardengnome y upgrade plan is 2k eu

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scopeuk:

2k gbp*

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Rule:

eek ;)

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scopeuk:

i know

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scopeuk:

but thats all the accesories in as well

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scopeuk:

monitor suround sound kit etc

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Juski:

2 grand? jees my next car might cost that

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Juski:

well okay maybe 3 times that or so... Â£2000 is a lot to spend on conscooter gear

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Zider:

Rule: you mean sata/300?

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Rule:

yes sorry

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scopeuk:

Juski yup but 1k of that is a monitor and speakers keybaord and mouse which will last if anyhting liek my current ones upwards of 5 years

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Zider:

the mobo I've ordered has 6 sata/300 slots.. yum :D

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Rule:

nice

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Rule:

does it work in linux ? :)

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Zider:

Rule: I sure hoe so ;)

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Rule:

heh

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Zider:

Rule: Intel chipset, so it should

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Rule:

what chip ?

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Rule:

ICH6 ?

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Rule:

or AHCI ?

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Rule:

that would be nice...

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Rule:

you get all the features with ahci

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Zider:

probably ICH8 or something :D

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Rule:

ick

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Zider:

P965 chipset

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Rule:

don't they present like a PATA device + additional phy registers ?

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Zider:

uh, what..? phy?

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Zider:

I know older intel chipsets works just fine anyways.. so this should work too..

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Rule:

I like to be able to have hotplug myself

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Zider:

oldER, not old :D

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Zider:

the spec page doesn't mention hotplug other than on the eSATA plug

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Zider:

not that I care much about it tho :D

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Rule:

esata is nice

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Rule:

if you get an enclosure with a built-in port multiplier

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Zider:

I'm not gonna use it.. :)

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Zider:

other than maybe loop a cable back inside the case for yet another drive :D

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Rule:

lol

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Rule:

you can get 5 drives on an esata connector with PMP ;)

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Zider:

I don't want external drives :)

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Zider:

I have my 2,5" USB case for transporting stuff

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Rule:

It's more for an external array :)

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Zider:

yeah I know :)

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Zider:

I just want most of my drives internally

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Zider:

and external drives to be powered by the computer :P

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netrix:

i was curious, whats the best way to get digital cable working with myhtv if you live in a country where the cable provider doesn't have digital cables boxes with firewire?

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netrix:

or are you pretty much screwed?

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gardengnome:

irblaster.

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netrix:

i figured as much, so just connect the digital box via svideo theni guess.

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netrix:

with a digital box connected via svideo is the picture really going to be that much better?

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dorel__:

is it possible to lower the buffering time that the pvr is performing?

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GreyFoxx:

dorel__: I don't believe that it's configurable

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stevenm:

Hello. I have mythfrontend on a modern computer with an ATI radeon 9700. The frontend renders the program/recording list extremelyu slowly- maybe 3 seconds between keystrokes

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stevenm:

Does anyone know why? What system is used for font rendering? How can I speed this up?

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dorel__:

GreyFoxx: it has to be... maybe in the driver?

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GreyFoxx:

dorel__: By "not configurable" I mean not changable without changing some code

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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rushfan:

Ok. MythTV is installed and set-up, but it cannot connect to the backend.

[15:05:12]

scopeuk:

is the backend db avaliable to none local systems

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scopeuk:

eg is skip-networking commented out

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rushfan:

And mythtv-setup says: "mythtv: could not connect to socket mythtv: No such file or directory lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages"

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rushfan:

Skip networking commented out of what?

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** rushfan thinks the gentoo-wiki guide was wrong somewhere **

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rushfan:

I'm running the backend and the frontend on the smae compuer

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gardengnome:

rushfan: the error message you cited above is related to lirc – don't worry about it for now.

[15:07:55]

rushfan:

But when I start the front end it cannot connect to the backend

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rushfan:

it works

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rushfan:

yay

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rushfan:

quality sucks

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rushfan:

lol

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rushfan:

but it works

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rushfan:

:D:D:D

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rushfan:

Ok, so if mythtv works why doesnt mythtvfrontend?

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rushfan:

maybe it does. Now I need to learn how to use myhtv

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jams:

morning gardengnome

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rushfan:

Why cant I get any channel below channel 10?

[15:13:23]

rushfan:

3,4,5,6,7,8,9 doesnt work. And channel 8 has the simpsons.

[15:14:42]

rushfan:

And umm. None of my channels have names and the tv guide thingy doesnt list whats on. :(

[15:14:48]

rushfan:

Something wrong with xmltv?

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jams:

rushfan- are you in the USA ?

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rushfan:

Yes

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rushfan:

Maybe I didnt do mythfilldatabase right :|

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** rushfan tries again **

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jams:

then you should be using datadirect not xmltv

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rushfan:

Oh. Turns out you shouldnt put the $ in front.

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rushfan:

Well I emerged xmltv anyhow. But yes, datadirect is in my settings

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stevenm:

Is there a way to disable freetype antialiasing or something, to speed up font rendering in frontend?

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jams:

stevenm- i doubt it the fonts slowing you donw

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jams:

which screen?

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rushfan:

Well, channel names work now. I still cant get any channels below 10. :(

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ru:

lo all

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ru:

Can anyone help me, I am trying to compile plugins for epsxe for mythgame

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ru:

but I am getting errors about gkt libraries

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stevenm:

jams, any screen with a browseable list, ie, Watch recordings, delete recordings, program finder

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ru:

and for some reason I cant install lib-gtk2.0-dev

[15:22:51]

jams:

stevenm in settings->appearance- make sure use transparent boxes is not checked. Also change popup Background to fill or none.

[15:23:05]

ru:

http://pastebin.ca/150962

[15:23:34]

jams:

You could also use a less graphic intense theme or run at a smaller resolution.

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ru:

can anyone help me tackle my broken packages problem?

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stevenm:

jams, already done

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stevenm:

jams, it helps to run at 8bit color depth, but thats about it

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jams:

sorry ru don't know a thing about apt

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jams:

what resolution are you running at?

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stevenm:

jams, 1280x1024

[15:25:43]

stevenm:

jams, radeon 9700 (no DRI support) on a P4 2.8

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stevenm:

jams, messed with X a bit, now seems fast, but cant watch anything- kernel oopses with video. A reboot is in order

[15:26:42]

jams:

what version of myth?

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stevenm:

jams, 0.19_10505

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jams:

just wondering if you had the opengl painter turned on

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jams:

stevenm- your system and card is more then powerfull enough to run without issues. I would almost say it's an X driver problem

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jams:

stevenm- also check the myth logs for missing image messages

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stevenm:

jams, what should I tweak with the X driver? What should I look for?

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jams:

stevenm- under the appearence settings do you have the option for "paint engine" it will be on the first screen

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stevenm:

jams, paint engine?

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jams:

if you don't see it then don't worry about it

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jams:

the lack of the option answers my question :)

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stuarta:

jams: it'll be in 0.20. it's not in 0.19 :)

[15:38:42]

jams:

stuarta- it's been so long since I used .19 cant remember whats there and whats not

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stuarta:

i have the same problem :)

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jams:

stevenm- the lack of dri will cause this on screens with video. But not for sure about non-video screens

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dorel__:

GreyFoxx: for sure? it's not something i can configure in mythtv or the ivtv driver?

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jams:

dorel__- nope

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GreyFoxx:

dorel__: 99% sure

[15:50:02]

GreyFoxx:

Definately not a config option in myth

[15:50:07]

dorel__:

so we're all experiencing this problem that when i move up a channel it takes about 4 seconds till i actually see the image of the new channel on the tv?

[15:50:10]

GreyFoxx:

and I'm 99% positive about ivtv

[15:50:33]

GreyFoxx:

Actually no, some people see 3–4 second delays, some of us only have a 1 second delay

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Juski:

4 seconds? eek. sounds a bit high

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dorel__:

well thats what i timed.

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Juski:

sounds like my cable box

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Juski:

even the cable box' version of 'browse mode' takes 4 secs for the neext channel info to be displayed!

[15:51:45]

dorel__:

well on my box its instant

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GreyFoxx:

My old digital cable box use to take 2–3 seconds, and that had no pvr functionality heh

[15:52:22]

Juski:

before the 'software update' the cable co sent out it was very quick

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dorel__:

thats odd

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dorel__:

ill email wintv or something about this

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GreyFoxx:

dorel__: As an experiment, increase your recording bitrate in the LiveTV profile

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dorel__:

i cant believe its un-configurable

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GreyFoxx:

It would cause any buffers to be filled faster heh

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dorel__:

is that in the frontend settings?

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GreyFoxx:

YUp, recording profiles

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dorel__:

ok i see it

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dorel__:

bitrate is 4500 and max bitrate is 6000

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Juski:

that's what my livetv profile is set to

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dorel__:

should i set it to the max ?

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Juski:

channel change time (including external channel change script execution) is < 2 secs

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Juski:

course I don't actually ever _use_ livetv other than for testing

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Same here

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GreyFoxx:

But I just tried it, 1 second to change channels

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Juski:

it's just _so_ 1950s ;)

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dorel__:

no way

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GreyFoxx:

at least 1 second to hit the button and video starts

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dorel__:

i did a simple test

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dorel__:

i plugged in a dvd instead of a tv

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dorel__:

i went to livetv mode, i see the dvd, i turned it off, and it took about 4 seconds till i saw the shutdown message.

[15:58:23]

Juski:

that's not the same as the channel change time though

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dorel__:

i ofcourse timed the channel change, and its pretty much the same.

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GreyFoxx:

I just tested it outside of myth using "mplayer /dev/video1" and the chann util to change the channel on the card and it took just over 1 second for me to see the video from the new channel

[16:14:24]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: You have a msntv 2 as a front end, correct?

[16:14:33]

GreyFoxx:

mchou: Yup

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: how much work is that to get going as a myth FE?

[16:15:29]

GreyFoxx:

Was pretty easy since I already had my previous frontends running diskless

[16:15:45]

GreyFoxx:

I just had these take over those old diskless installs

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: does msn support xvmc yet?

[16:16:22]

GreyFoxx:

I just placed a kernel on the cf card and tell them where to nfs mount the root partition

[16:16:29]

GreyFoxx:

nope

[16:16:52]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: but it has enough jusice to decode analog rez?

[16:16:59]

GreyFoxx:

the IEGD driver mentions is, but doesn't appear to support it

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mchou:

juice*

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GreyFoxx:

mchou: IT's a 733mhz machine with 128m of ram, it's plenty :)

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mchou:

what wm are you running on it?

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GreyFoxx:

icewm

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GreyFoxx:

I run that on all of my myth machines

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mchou:

someone is giving away a brand new msntv 2 for free

[16:18:46]

GreyFoxx:

Ahhhh cool :)

[16:18:49]

GreyFoxx:

Free is always good

[16:18:55]

mchou:

I'm debating whether to take it :)

[16:19:04]

GreyFoxx:

well, if it's free, why not ?:)

[16:19:20]

mchou:

cause it might be too much work :)

[16:20:13]

GreyFoxx:

Well, basically you have to make a cable (or buy one) to connect to the board to flash it

[16:20:36]

GreyFoxx:

after that yuou just place your kernel and cmdline file on the CF card

[16:20:41]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: this is a serial cable or?

[16:20:48]

GreyFoxx:

serial-ttl cable

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GreyFoxx:

same cable you would use to mod a sony psp

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GreyFoxx:

You can buy them for like $10 on ebay

[16:21:19]

GreyFoxx:

or make one

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: bay, I'll just make one

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mchou:

bah*

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't done any more work on supporting other video modes with it as I've been busy for the last month, but I'll be working on adding better support soon

[16:22:45]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: what's the "default" vid mode/rez?

[16:22:56]

GreyFoxx:

640x480 ntsc

[16:23:08]

GreyFoxx:

I've got partial support for 800x600 and 720x480

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: I'm missing something. Why the need for CF if it's net boot?

[16:24:27]

Juski:

the bios doesn't have a PXE rom I bet

[16:24:27]

GreyFoxx:

It's only netboot if you want it to be

[16:24:32]

GreyFoxx:

correct

[16:24:42]

GreyFoxx:

The CF card held the wince kernel and such

[16:24:57]

GreyFoxx:

and you can put a tiny install on the CF card and have everything on it

[16:25:13]

GreyFoxx:

I choose to go the easy route and place just akernel on it and nfs mount everything

[16:25:21]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: what size CF would you recommend for that?

[16:25:34]

GreyFoxx:

It comes with a 64meg card which is more than enough for myuses

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hatredx:

anyone know any real good modeline database for TV's?

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poonj:

hey guys..anyone here use an ATI Video card for TV out?

[16:34:00]

mchou:

poonj: not unless they are masochists

[16:34:10]

poonj:

mchou, heh, okay

[16:34:28]

CLucas916:

i have a question about building a PVR system, does the hauppauge PVR-250 replace the need for an actual nvidia/ati card?

[16:34:42]

poonj:

CLucas916, no

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Juski:

CLucas916: no

[16:34:58]

poonj:

CLucas916, the PVR-250 records video input

[16:34:59]

CLucas916:

so id still have to get a video card/?

[16:35:02]

CLucas916:

ahhh

[16:35:06]

poonj:

video card displays video on the screen

[16:35:10]

poonj:

two different things, yes

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CLucas916:

so is the PVR-250 a capture card also?

[16:35:23]

poonj:

yes

[16:35:25]

poonj:

its a capture card

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mchou:

CLucas916: you find a 350, that's a different story :)

[16:35:40]

poonj:

takes various forms of inputs

[16:35:50]

CLucas916:

so it captures the tv feed and encodes it into mpeg-2?

[16:35:55]

GreyFoxx:

yes

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CLucas916:

mchou: i was thinking about the 350, how is it different

[16:36:26]

mchou:

350 has a mpeg2 vid card :)

[16:36:37]

mchou:

in quotes :)

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CLucas916:

oh the 250 doesnt have a mpeg-2 encoder?

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mchou:

sigh....

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Zider:

isn't that non-video-accelerated or something?

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GreyFoxx:

the 250/150/500 are encoders, the 350 is an encoder and decoder+tvout

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CLucas916:

ohhhh

[16:37:22]

CLucas916:

oh sorry i didnt understand

[16:37:43]

CLucas916:

so the 350 is an all-in-one solution? i wouldnt need a nvidia card?

[16:37:47]

john1:

hmm

[16:37:57]

john1:

your motherboard would probably require you to have some sort of video card

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah, you would still need a video card

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GreyFoxx:

and honestly unless you are really hurtin for CPU the 350 isn;t worth the extra cost

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mchou:

yah, but even an obsolete pci vid card will work

[16:38:45]

CLucas916:

ah ok

[16:38:50]

mchou:

I agree w/ GreyFoxx

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CLucas916:

sounds good to me

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CLucas916:

i have a feeling im not going to get the answer i want from this question, but if i want to record one channel and watch another, im gonna need two PVR-250's huh?

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mchou:

500

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GreyFoxx:

Yes

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CLucas916:

mchou: is the 500 a dual-tuner?

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GreyFoxx:

You need 2 tuners, so either 2 250/150's or a single 500 (which has 2 150's onboard)

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CLucas916:

ah

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CLucas916:

ok

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CLucas916:

well im trying to fit all of this into a shuttle case so i might look at the 500

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mchou:

CLucas916: i'd skip x50's altogether and just get firewire :)

[16:41:17]

CLucas916:

x50's?

[16:41:27]

mchou:

pvr-x50

[16:41:34]

CLucas916:

ah

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fysa:

can you control channel changes with firewire?

[16:42:02]

mchou:

depends on the stb

[16:42:07]

mchou:

but yes

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CLucas916:

mchou: lol well im in a dorm room and all i have is a coaxial cable from a wall, no cable box

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fysa:

the SA8500HD?

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mchou:

CLucas916: so? what to prevent you from getting a cable box?

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CLucas916:

mchou: im just trying to make this build as cheap as possible

[16:43:27]

mchou:

CLucas916: trust me, firewire is cheaper

[16:43:52]

mchou:

assuming you want HD eventually :)

[16:44:01]

CLucas916:

mchou: im not worried about HD

[16:44:32]

mchou:

not to mentionx-50 comb filters suck dick and picture quality sux

[16:44:52]

CLucas916:

mchou: the video feed im getting isnt the greatest anyways

[16:45:26]

mchou:

CLucas916: then it's even more important you dont make it worse :)

[16:45:26]

fysa:

Can you take multiple firewire streams simultaneously from a STB that has more than one tuner?

[16:45:36]

mchou:

fysa: nope

[16:45:48]

mchou:

fysa: not yet at least

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CLucas916:

mchou: lol i thought the happuage was a good card for video encoding :(

[16:46:19]

mchou:

fysa: not unless you mod the channel changer code anyways

[16:46:21]

fysa:

I've got a PVR-500 and it cleaned up my analog cable line very well..

[16:47:06]

CLucas916:

oh and if i get a PVR-500 would i have to get some sort of coaxial splitter?

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mchou:

CLucas916: nope, it ha splitter on card

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mchou:

has*

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CLucas916:

but i only have one coxial cable

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CLucas916:

that runs from the wall

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flindet:

does the pvr-500 use the ivtv driver?

[16:48:10]

fysa:

yes

[16:48:16]

flindet:

is it nice and stable now?

[16:48:21]

fysa:

yep

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flindet:

the luxury

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Rule:

Hello folks. Just upgraded to svn head... one thing I notice now in the backend log is "DVB#0 CA Error: Failed to initialize CI handler". Anything I might have forgotten ?

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CLucas916:

oh and i actually have a mythtv question, i think ive figured out that my schools uses cox cable with a few custom channels and some channels are moved around from the tv guide online, so would i be able to set up my tv guide to match the funky channel listings?

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mchou:

CLucas916: you'd have to preprocess the listings......

[16:51:39]

mchou:

write a script....

[16:51:41]

CLucas916:

preprocess? explain?

[16:51:44]

CLucas916:

ah ok

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mchou:

not too dificult

[16:52:10]

CLucas916:

is it just a bash script?

[16:52:24]

mchou:

CLucas916: shell of your choice

[16:53:12]

CLucas916:

and where does mythtv get its tv listings from? i know you can use zaptoit but is there any other option?

[16:53:18]

CLucas916:

zap2it

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mchou:

in the US, I dont think so

[16:54:24]

CLucas916:

ok so explain to me more about this shell script i'll have to right

[16:54:26]

CLucas916:

write*

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CLucas916:

so mythtv pulls down these tv listings, and i have to modify them with a script?

[16:54:56]

mchou:

CLucas916: all it is is a sed script

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mchou:

search and replace channel numbers is all

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CLucas916:

im familiar with sed but never actually used it in a script

[16:55:32]

CLucas916:

ahhh ok

[16:55:37]

Rule:

erm don't you use xmltv ?

[16:56:04]

CLucas916:

mchou: how does mythtv store its tv listings once they're downloaded

[16:56:14]

mchou:

mysql

[16:56:25]

CLucas916:

ah ok something im familar with

[16:56:28]

Rule:

normally I would just make sure the xmltvid field matches the correct channel...

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CLucas916:

mchou: thanks for clearing all this up for me btw, you've been a great help

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CLucas916:

ok well my next question would be about processors, how much power would i actually need if i got the PVR-250/500 to do the encoding?

[16:59:20]

CLucas916:

i was thinking a low-end amd64

[16:59:50]

mchou:

CLucas916: not much 733 Mhz works

[16:59:55]

mchou:

:)

[16:59:56]

CLucas916:

wow

[16:59:57]

CLucas916:

lol

[16:59:59]

mchou:

msntv 2

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mchou:

according to GreyFoxx

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CLucas916:

ok i dont think im going to go that low-end, if its sluggish, itll bug me

[17:00:41]

mchou:

CLucas916: sure you are

[17:00:50]

mchou:

dedicated STB

[17:00:58]

mchou:

msntv 2 :)

[17:01:06]

CLucas916:

mchou: eh

[17:01:26]

CLucas916:

you actually need to convince me on why this is better, easier option mchou

[17:01:27]

CLucas916:

:P

[17:02:29]

mchou:

CLucas916: http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000977073535/

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mchou:

CLucas916: operate as your pwn cable provider on campus :)

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** CLucas916 is reading **

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mchou:

pwn*

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mchou:

own*

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CLucas916:

lol

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CLucas916:

wow so you were right about the cheap factor

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CLucas916:

but how easy would this be to setup

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mchou:

CLucas916: that's for you to find out :)

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CLucas916:

but mchou , your supposed to convince me that this is a better option :P

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mchou:

CLucas916: and this would assume you have a REAL TV, not PC monitor as TV :)

[17:05:33]

CLucas916:

correct

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mchou:

CLucas916: quite frankly that's not my job

[17:06:06]

CLucas916:

lol

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CLucas916:

well, ill look into it, but im still leaning toward the PVR-250

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mchou:

dude, you still have to get pvr-x50 w/ msntv2

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CLucas916:

agh

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CLucas916:

so what is the point of the msntv2

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CLucas916:

i thought it was so i could use firewire

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mchou:

silence

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mchou:

sff

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mchou:

appliance

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CLucas916:

?

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mchou:

CLucas916: think of it as your senior EE project. get school credit to boot :)

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CLucas916:

:P

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CLucas916:

mmmmm

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CLucas916:

amd64 3200+ for $76.00

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CLucas916:

thank you intel!

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mchou:

I can get AMD64 3200+ + mobo for $79

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CLucas916:

how's that

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mchou:

CLucas916: it's called Fry's

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CLucas916:

eh

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CLucas916:

im not a big fan of frys

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mchou:

lol

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CLucas916:

their "refurbished" stuff anyways

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mchou:

I am when it comes to CPU+mobo combos

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mchou:

just make sure you dont get refurb. easy

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CLucas916:

true

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mchou:

all the refurbs are easily identifiable

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CLucas916:

that little white sticker

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CLucas916:

?

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CLucas916:

its not easy to find if you arent looking for it

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mchou:

CLucas916: and the banged up boxes :)

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CLucas916:

lol

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mchou:

dude, try the msntv 2 solution. You'll be worshipped as ubergeek in school :)

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CLucas916:

mchou: haha im not trying to

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mchou:

Think of all the chicks asking you for help w/ their homework :)

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CLucas916:

haha

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mchou:

CLucas916: not to mention the programs they watch over in your room :)

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CLucas916:

lol

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mchou:

am I selling you on the merits yet? :)

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CLucas916:

haha not quite, but im ammused

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mchou:

CLucas916: you're hopeless

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CLucas916:

hahaha

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CLucas916:

possibly :P

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gardengnome:

mchou: i've got a s100 which is similar to the msntv2. no worshipping.

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CLucas916:

how much ram would this system need, would 512MB be fine

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CLucas916:

gardengnome: hehe

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mchou:

gardengnome: s100 is for lusers

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mchou:

not sexy at all

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CLucas916:

hahaha

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CLucas916:

eh

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** CLucas916 doesnt think hes going to do this build with $500 **

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mchou:

s100 looks more like an xbox

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gardengnome:

mchou: sexy? it does attract male gnomes.

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gardengnome:

the s100 doesn't look like an xbox at all.

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mchou:

sure it does. it's rectangular, no rounded lines

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CLucas916:

lol

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gardengnome:

mchou: that'd be the only similarities :)

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mchou:

you might as well compare a PC to a mac

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gardengnome:

yeah, whatever

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mchou:

no sex appeal

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mchou:

s100 is like retrograde abortion

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CLucas916:

someone needs to give me hope and tell me to believe that i can do this build with $500

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mchou:

it will make you childless

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House:

easily with 500 bucks

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CLucas916:

House: a shuttle xpc case, a PVR-500, 300GB HD, 512MB of ram, an nvidia video card, and a dvd burner?

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mchou:

CLucas916: told ya, frys :)

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CLucas916:

lol

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House:

yeah... you could get an amd sempron + mobo for under like 150

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mchou:

CLucas916: also rebates

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House:

frys will probably have a 300 gb hd for like 40 bucks after rebates

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mchou:

CLucas916: easily achievable

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CLucas916:

ya but i really really want SFF case

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CLucas916:

i dunno, i still need to do the math

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mchou:

House: nope. 300GB is $69

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House:

well i was close :)

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mchou:

House: cheapest I've seen

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CLucas916:

well i might get a smaller one, how big is the file size for a 1 hour tv show?

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mchou:

CLucas916: 1 GB

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CLucas916:

mchou: oh ok

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CLucas916:

so i could live with a smaller hard drive

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mchou:

CLucas916: you could.

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House:

i have a 60 gig hdd.... and i do fine

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mchou:

but they hardly make drives smaller than 250GB any more :)

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CLucas916:

lol

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House:

record an average of 2 shows a day

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mchou:

CLucas916: you'd have to pay a premium for a smaller drive

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CLucas916:

mchou: :P

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CLucas916:

House: true, but i like having the extra room

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House:

only thing i need for my box is a new sound card with digital audio out

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mchou:

there was some fool on here who tried convincing me that I NEEDED >500GB for myth.

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CLucas916:

haha

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mchou:

I told him to f' off

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CLucas916:

thats a hard core couch potato

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House:

maybe if you are recording 10 hours of shows a day in HD....

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mchou:

I told him 40 hrs/wk added up to 2000hrs/yr

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CLucas916:

lol

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CLucas916:

are the shuttle cases at frys cheaper than they are at newegg?

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mchou:

nope

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mchou:

shuttles are premium at frys

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evil_andy:

guy

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CLucas916:

even with neweggs $12 shipping?

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evil_andy:

err

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evil_andy:

guh

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evil_andy:

I wish we had fry's here :(

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evil_andy:

closest one is in Indiana (I'm in VA, so it's kind of a hike ;))

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House:

go to best buy then :)

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CLucas916:

damn... one pci slot...lameness

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CLucas916:

NO room for expansion

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evil_andy:

House, I HOPE you were kidding hahaha

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** CLucas916 is gonna give google spreadsheets a try to make his build list :P **

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House:

whats wrong with the best buy??

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

best buy==worst buy

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mchou:

I never step foot in there

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mchou:

I wonder how best buy survives in CA

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mchou:

even CC beats them by a mile

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evil_andy:

eeeeeeeeeeeeeew!@

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CLucas916:

white box is just another word for OEM right?

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mchou:

CLucas916: yup

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CLucas916:

k

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tjcarter:

hmm, my Myth frontend (MacOS X) cannot connect to my backend (Ubuntu dapper). It claims it is timing out. The old KnoppMyth backend worked once I commented out skip-networking, but Ubuntu used bind-address 128.0.0.1 instead. (I've commented this and restarted MySQL) Did I possibly forget something?

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mchou:

tjcarter: yeah. you're off by 1

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mchou:

128=127+1

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mchou:

:)

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CLucas916:

hehe

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tjcarter:

...

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tjcarter:

so I can't type?

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CLucas916:

ok wow just the shuttle case and the PVR-500 brings it up to $400 :(

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** CLucas916 crys **

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mchou:

CLucas916: told ya msntv 2 :)

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mchou:

use any old computer

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mchou:

maybe pick one up at the campus dump

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CLucas916:

lol no im fine

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CLucas916:

im gonna want this computer down the road

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tjcarter:

CLucas916: You probably don't want to build tetris hardware anyway.

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mchou:

CLucas916: down the road??

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Zider:

I want it up the hill

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tjcarter:

Zider: over the hill...

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Zider:

and far away?

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tjcarter:

CLucas916: I just put a box together in an Antec Sonata II. Doesn't REALLY look like it belongs in the living room, but it is silent.

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CLucas916:

ya

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CLucas916:

maybe i need to rethink this a little bit

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tank-man:

i just turned my desktop into a backend, easier

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CLucas916:

maybe the shuttle is just too much of a luxury

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tjcarter:

That Shuttle is gonna sound like the flight deck of an aircraft carrier

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mchou:

CLucas916: tank-man has the right idea

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tjcarter:

Until the fans get a little dust in them

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CLucas916:

mchou: my only other computer is a macbook pro

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tjcarter:

Then it's gonna sound like you're watching your movies in a room with an angry food processor.

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CLucas916:

tjcarter: good point

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tjcarter:

Granted the system I built cost me $1400, not $400

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CLucas916:

tjcarter: damn

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CLucas916:

does it just act as a PVR?

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mchou:

that's ridiculous, $1400 for myth

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** tjcarter includes the cost of the display in the purchase price though **

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CLucas916:

ah

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mchou:

I dont think any of my myth systems cost over $300

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mchou:

and that's wit ATSC cards

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mchou:

with*

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tjcarter:

Do your myth boxes have 1GB DDR2 800 and a pair of 160 GB Seagates? =)

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mchou:

yup, 2

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evil_andy:

my myth system cost $10 :-P (had a dual p3 lying around)

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evil_andy:

had to buy a $10 ati tv wonder

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mchou:

tjcarter: 300GB seagates

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evil_andy:

it kinda sucks, gonna go get a pvr 150, but still, it was a good test system

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CLucas916:

tjcarter: was there a reason why you chose 1 gb of ram over 512?

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mchou:

evil_andy: yeah, but you paying more in electricity bills :)

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House:

is pvr the cheapest tuner card thats decent still?

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House:

pvr-150*

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evil_andy:

mchou, nope, my parents are ;)

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mchou:

evil_andy: think about your future kids! :)

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tjcarter:

CLucas916: yes, once I am done I intend to have no swap.

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evil_andy:

mchou, ya... they can suffer :-D

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mchou:

tjcarter: lol

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CLucas916:

tjcarter: ah

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mchou:

msntv 2 has 128MB and no swap

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CLucas916:

mchou: ...

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evil_andy:

tjcarter, 2GB will do that for you, my current system is a dual athlon 2Ghz w/ 2Gigs of ECC REG'd ram. I never swap

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mchou:

CLucas916: just illustrating a point :)

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CLucas916:

hehe

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Zider:

I just have 512 in my mythbox

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tjcarter:

anyway, I should get a response if I just telnet to 6543 on izumi shouldn't I?

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tank-man:

dont' make a swap partition/file and it wont swap

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CLucas916:

ya i dont see why you'd want more than 512

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tjcarter:

it connects, but I don't get any messages or anything.

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Zider:

my main system will have 2GB tho

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CLucas916:

Zider: thats respectable

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Rule:

Any hints for "DVB#0 CA Error: Failed to initialize CI handler" Can I increase verbosity for the CA handler ?

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Zider:

CLucas916: I figured I might as well get a bunch when I'm building a new setup

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CLucas916:

true

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Zider:

CLucas916: to match the lovely new CPU and all ;)

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CLucas916:

Zider: what cpu?

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Zider:

CLucas916: core2duo 2,4

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tjcarter:

nope, I don't get a response there either

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tjcarter:

(on izumi)

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CLucas916:

Zider: ah

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tjcarter:

just a silent connection

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gardengnome:

tjcarter: type "help"?

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CLucas916:

im not going to need like a high end video card am i?

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CLucas916:

like how much vram? and what chipset?

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mchou:

CLucas916: huh??

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CLucas916:

mchou: ...

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CLucas916:

what?

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CLucas916:

i just want to know what im looking for in a video card, besides s-video out

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mchou:

any old nvidia FX5x00 card will work

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mchou:

>=

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CLucas916:

mchou: and pci-express

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CLucas916:

which i dont think the FX series has

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Zider:

GF6200 then

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mchou:

even GF3 works, if you dont need xvmc

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Rule:

depends if you need HD

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CLucas916:

Zider: thats what i was looking at thanks

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CLucas916:

Rule: dont

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Rule:

kk

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mchou:

I wouldnt get 6200 if you need HD

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mchou:

no overlay

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mchou:

implies more CPU overhead and xvmc issues

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gardengnome:

what is used instead of xvmc on these 6200 cards?

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mchou:

in fact I think that's true for all cards >=6200

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CLucas916:

is the 6200TC an ok card to get?

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mchou:

CLucas916: no!

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CLucas916:

agh!

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CLucas916:

lol i wasent sure about the TC

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mchou:

CLucas916: it's ok if all you do is analog

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mchou:

but TCs are not good values

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CLucas916:

mchou: ya its analog

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mchou:

memory bandwidth issues

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CLucas916:

ah ok

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CLucas916:

what about LE?

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mchou:

gardengnome: 6200 has xvmc

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mchou:

gardengnome: it just doesnt have overlay

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CLucas916:

mchou: would you recommend LE over TC?

[18:04:43]

mchou:

I recommend ANYTHING over TC

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CLucas916:

hehe fair enough

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mchou:

even ATI

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mchou:

:)

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CLucas916:

mchou: :-o

[18:05:08]

CLucas916:

no

[18:05:08]

CLucas916:

lol

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CLucas916:

dont joke

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gardengnome:

mchou: so, what is used instead?

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** Rule tries to debug CAM issues **

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** Rule fails **

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Rule:

bah I'm stuck now

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mchou:

gardengnome: instead of what?

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gardengnome:

mchou: overlay.

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mchou:

gardengnome: uses another NV port like "Video Texture" or some such

[18:08:52]

mchou:

gardengnome: just not ready for prime time on linux

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mchou:

especially if you want xvmc on that port

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gardengnome:

ah, ok. i think that's already supported in their drivers, isn't it?

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mchou:

gardengnome: not to my knowledge

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gardengnome:

ah well, it'll happen sooner or later.

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Juski:

linux support == usually inevitable :)

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mchou:

gardengnome: that's what they've been saying over the last 1.5 yrs :)

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mchou:

gardengnome: by that time 7x00 has come out :)

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mchou:

maybe when 8x00 comes out we'll have it :)

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mchou:

it's funny when older HW like 5x00 works better :)

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mchou:

not to mention cheaper

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Juski:

I like cheaper :)

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CLucas916:

wow..final price...$636.99 + all the shipping :(

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mchou:

screw that

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CLucas916:

egh

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CLucas916:

i need to find some options

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mchou:

CLucas916: simple

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mchou:

CLucas916: dont by sff

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mchou:

buy*

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CLucas916:

that shuttle case and that hauppauge card are killin me

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mchou:

CLucas916: yup

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CLucas916:

mchou: but i really really want that case :(

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House:

pricewatch.com

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mchou:

CLucas916: seriously, frys and compaq

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CLucas916:

comp usa?

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mchou:

I've seen complete compaq systems at frys (with pvr150) for less than 300

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CLucas916:

ah

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mchou:

on sale all the time

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mchou:

with DVD writers too

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mchou:

cant beat that price

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CLucas916:

how is the PVR-150 different than the 250?

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House:

its cheaper

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mchou:

and that's more than 1 pci slot too

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Rule:

it's newer

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CLucas916:

House: in what way

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House:

price

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mchou:

CLucas916: truth is there is no FUNCTIONAL difference

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House:

thats all i know :)

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CLucas916:

lol

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mchou:

CLucas916: no joke

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Rule:

it's supposed to have a better comb filter

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CLucas916:

cuz i could go for the 150 instead of the 500, id drop a tuner, but id also save like $70

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Rule:

but testing has shown that the image is perceived less "crisp" than the 250/350

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Rule:

ymmv

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mchou:

Rule: which one has a better comb filter?

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Rule:

pvr150

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mchou:

Rule: BS

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House:

but the 500 is just 2 150's

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mchou:

all the comb filters on pvr-x50s suck

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Rule:

we are comparing to 250

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Rule:

http://capnbry.net/~bmayland/fi/pvr150/

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mchou:

Rule: saying "better comb filter" and hauppauge in the same breath is a sick joke

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CLucas916:

Rule: nice link

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Rule:

compared to a diff hauppauge model ? don't be so dramatic

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mchou:

besides static pictures dont show jack about comb filtering

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Rule:

you are right, the link was just fyi

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Rule:

as we were asked the difference

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Rule:

anyway, back to work

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House:

from that link you posted... if that guys pvr150 looks like that... he totally set something up wrong

[18:31:29]

mchou:

House: which pic you referring to specifically?

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Anduin:

Juski: Is your image rect in Project Grayhem Wide too big? (Jan Kleining post to -dev) MythVideo just does a ScaleFree to whatever size it is.

[18:31:38]

House:

the first one

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House:

the tuner one

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CLucas916:

hmmm, i could get a mini-atx case...could be cheaper

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Rule:

myself, I've seen the pvr150 perform very differently depending on which card I use... We have 5 running and none are very good imho

[18:32:22]

mchou:

House: I see nothing wrong with that picture

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Rule:

but all are a bit different

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mchou:

I agree with rule

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mchou:

pvr-150s are not really much better than novelty toys

[18:33:25]

mchou:

when it comes to picture quality

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mchou:

I've given up on tuners and use svid only on pvr150

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Rule:

I've switched to DVB myself

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mchou:

not to mention firewire is much better anyways

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Rule:

both signals are available on the cable here

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mchou:

Rule: that too :)

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Juski:

Anduin: which one?

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Juski:

ahh I see.

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Juski:

I might've already fixed it

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CLucas916:

oh ya, definantly getting a micro-atx desktop case instead of the shuttle

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Juski:

no I've not already fixed it

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Juski:

it doesn't seem to crop much off though

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Rule:

small usability question : in mythtv-setup 'Recorder Options', there is an flag-able option called "Wait for SEQ start header"... the help description says "Normally the dvb-recording will drop packets from the card until a sequence start header is seen. This option turns off this feature". It might be me, but should the tickbox be checked or unchecked if you want it to wait for a SEQ start header ? :)

[18:47:32]

Juski:

would've been better if the guy had sent a screenshot. interpreting that 'error' I could draw all kinds of conclusions. "Doesn't fit" could mean stuff is cropped, or spills over...

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Anduin:

Juski: The next sentence leads me to believe it is spilling over.

[18:48:55]

Anduin:

but yeah, a link to a screen shot would have been nice

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Juski:

Anduin: in the browse mode I use <staticsize>259,400</staticsize> for the cover

[18:50:23]

Juski:

I've no idea what 'fleximage' does – I just left it at whatever the theme which I derived mine from set it to

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Juski:

that's another thing – he doesn't say which viewing mode he has the problem in :-|

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Anduin:

Juski: fleximage is what would control, say loading a trans- or solid- version

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mchou:

CLucas916: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.a . . . 98&type=

[18:53:11]

mchou:

CLucas916: not the cheapest I've seen.....

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Juski:

Anduin: what does that mean? the theming howtos make no mention of the trans- and solid- stuff

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Anduin:

Juski: So those image dimensions are not bigger than the background?

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Juski:

Anduin: not AFAICT

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CLucas916:

mchou: i brought the price down to $530, by replacing the shuttle case with a tiny microatx case + mobo

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CLucas916:

im happy

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Anduin:

Juski: If true then it would be a bug in MythVideo, I don't see it with MCW (just ugly posters)

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mchou:

CLucas916: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.a . . . 07&type=

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mchou:

CLucas916: expired....

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Juski:

argghh if people are gonna post problems why don't they give enough information? I can't do much about it without knowing more

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mchou:

CLucas916: give you the gist though

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CLucas916:

ya

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Anduin:

Juski: Post and ask him for more info, if it isn't in you theme I'm sure you'll let me know :)

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mchou:

CLucas916: there is really no way to beat that last one.....

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Juski:

bugger. have to sign up again then

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CLucas916:

true

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mchou:

CLucas916: considering that includes OS and DVD writer, pvr150

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CLucas916:

ya not bad

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Anduin:

Juski: Ok, I'll do it.

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Juski:

nah it's ok I just signed up

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ender224455_:

sorry if somebody already answered this, but is there a way to configure the remote to have buttons to shift audio tracks when playing video files? My audio/video is out of synch on some of them

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Juski:

heh. covered from both angles now

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Juski:

I was almost tempted to yell at him for not reading the README.txt file... he could've emailed me direct

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gardengnome:

Juski: i've just read through your thread on xmltv-devel. looks very good :)

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gardengnome:

i kinda missed a freqid entry in your example config file :/

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Juski:

gardengnome: eh? it was only an example

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Juski:

and I thought I posted that on xmltv-users anyway

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gardengnome:

yeah, it's -users, i'm sorry ;)

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

everyone's going "oo great idea... get it done get it done!"

[19:13:07]

Zider:

oo great idea... get it done get it done!

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Zider:

:D

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Zider:

*joins the crowd*

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Zider:

what were you talking about?

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Zider:

;)

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Juski:

Zider: if you use Zap2it you don't need concern yourself ;)

[19:14:22]

Zider:

..what's that? :P

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Zider:

(I suspect it has to do with tuner cards)

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: I see it.

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Juski:

for starters.. working on something that'll allow UK users to enter their postcode, provider name & channel package and it'll configure everything

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Zider:

oh that thing :)

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Juski:

a poor man's zap2it thingy

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House:

zap2it costs money?

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Juski:

no I mean a zap2it for those who can't get zap2it. you USA folks don't know you're born with that getup

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Juski:

;-)

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Juski:

but now it's couch-time... laters all

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gardengnome:

cya Juski

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ender224455_:

is there a way to setup mythtv to transcode recorded video files every night instead of as they are recorded?

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gardengnome:

ender224455_: yes. you can tell mythbackend when the jobqueue is to be processed.

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ender224455_:

so if I set "automatically transcode", that is added to the jobqueue, right?

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gardengnome:

yes

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ender224455_:

also, if mythtv were transcoding something and a user chose to watch a video, would it know to divert the CPU resources to the user's request?

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gardengnome:

i believe you can tell the jobqueue how much cpu ressources jobs can have. that's called "nice level" (in linux, not in mythtv).

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ender224455_:

alright, I'll look into it, thanks a lot

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gardengnome:

put plainly, watching a recording will have a gihger priority than transcoding.

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ender224455_:

err.. under which menu would I find the option to tell mythbackend when to process the jobqueue?

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gardengnome:

it's in mythtv-setup, i believe.

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ender224455_:

ok, thanks

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Rule:

ARGH I broke my mythtv by going to svn head :-/

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Anduin:

Rule: What is broken?

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Rule:

CAM support

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Rule:

It's the same issue I had ages ago with head

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Zider:

broken rule? ;D

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Rule:

problem is I can't find out what is causing it, can't follow the code that well

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Rule:

I get DVB#0 CA Error: Failed to initialize CI handler

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Rule:

it worked fine in -fixes :/

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gardengnome:

i think there are a few tickets about that...

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Rule:

I just created one

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Rule:

no previous one found

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Rule:

the message is from dvbcam.cpp in libs/libmythtv

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Rule:

but why ?

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ender224455_:

linux noob question: How do I paste text from firefox into a text file in a shell window (e.g. in pico or vi)

[20:20:30]

scott_:

got a mouse with a middle button?

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ender224455_:

yes

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scott_:

select the text you want to copy with your mouse

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scott_:

then in the shell window use the middle button to paste it

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scott_:

that should work

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ender224455_:

got it, thanks

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Rule:

hmm does cardid start counting at 1 or 0 ?

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scott_:

1 I believe

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gardengnome:

ender224455_: you can ":set paste" in vim in case you get funky newlines...

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Rule:

bah I can't figure out what is causing the problem...

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Anduin:

Juski: The original theme is a few pixels off so if PGW is based on it that would explain it, I hate playing with the themes.

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Juski:

Anduin: I'm gonna remove the border anyway.. just make nitpicks like that easier to spot ;)

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Anduin:

Juski: I'm going to update the base theme, just as soon as I con distinguish between the black and mostly the same black enough to find a good line.

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pushpop:

is there a way to verify if mythfilldatabas

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pushpop:

worked?

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pushpop:

through command line

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Anduin:

pushpop: Other than the output?

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pushpop:

its been running for several minutes

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pushpop:

just want to make sure its still filling the DB

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pushpop:

27011 root 21 0 44892 20m 9952 R 31.3 2.7 0:52.77 mythfilldatabas

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LoopdeLoop:

I'm attempting to install mythtv 0.19 and am running into the problem of "failing to open the card" when I try to scan for channels in the input connections section when I run mythtv-setup. I've running Ubuntu Dapper and have followed the instructions as close as possible as they appear on mythtv.org. Anyone have any idea how to fix this? (mythfilldatabase SEEMS to be working fine in connecting to zap2it, and I know the ati tv wonder c

[21:19:13]

LoopdeLoop:

works ok with tvtime)

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Anduin:

LoopdeLoop: PVR x50?

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LoopdeLoop:

are you suggesting a fix for my ati tv wonder? (=

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LoopdeLoop:

hehe

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Anduin:

LoopdeLoop: Or that, basically there is no reason for you to do a channel scan.

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LoopdeLoop:

well, when I try to initialize mythbackend, I get the following error: "TVRec(1) Error: Couldn't find any channels in the database, please make sure your inputs are associated properly with your cards."

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Anduin:

LoopdeLoop: Do that, you've run mythfilldatabase right?

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LoopdeLoop:

I have, yes

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Anduin:

LoopdeLoop: And you've ensure that your lineup is associated with the input?

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LoopdeLoop:

that I'm not certain on

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LoopdeLoop:

Moreover, when I initialize mythtv-setup, I get the following error: "Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168. Major opcode: 148. Major opcode: 3. Resource id: 0x0. Failed to open device"

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Anduin:

LoopdeLoop: Yeah EricL had that as well, googling seems to find a wacom xorg.conf solution

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LoopdeLoop:

thank you, I'll look into that (=

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pushpop:

When I try to watch TV it says it couldnt connect to back end server, what would cause that. I know backend is started

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Anduin:

pushpop: The backend sopping after you started, or the backend IP for that frontend not being right

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lluad:

I have two capture cards, both working fine for livetv. Both are set to the same video source. If I'm watching live tv and there's a recording scheduled I get a popup asking me whether I want to skip the recording or watch while I record.

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lluad:

Looks like it's only scheduling using one tuner. Anyone have a hint as to where I should start looking to work out why?

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tjcarter:

hmm, I moved some .nuv files from an old myth box to a new one, with their corresponding database entries (as instructed by the myth docs), but none of the things transferred over can be seen by myth--the entries all show up, the files are there, but they're unplayable. Myth says they're not.

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tjcarter:

Any ideas what's happened here?

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Juski:

same file locations?

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gardengnome:

wrong host name?

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tjcarter:

Juski: yes, supposedly.

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tjcarter:

/myth/tv

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tjcarter:

however when I copied them over, I put a / on the end of the dir so they went into /myth/tv/tv temporarily and I didn't notice right away

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tjcarter:

is it possible this has confused things?

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gardengnome:

maybe you need to restart the backend – it might be caching those "file not found" states for recordings. but i'd say that's unlikely..

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gardengnome:

anyways, i'm off to bed. gotta get up in 5:30 :)

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tjcarter:

will restart backend at first opportunity

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tjcarter:

tuner 2 is currently recording

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Imaginativeone:

hi everyone...

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Imaginativeone:

my buddy gave me an AIW...will it work with MythTV?

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AngryElf:

aiw?

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Imaginativeone:

All in Wonder

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jams:

Imaginativeone nope

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Imaginativeone:

rats

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jams:

only as a video card not as a capture card

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jams:

the linux drivers for that card are not up to v4l standards

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jeffmeden:

is the x configuration left completely up to the user when mythtv is used?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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jeffmeden:

i am trying to use mythdora and cant change the screen settings in xorg.conf

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jeffmeden:

it just ignores them

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jeffmeden:

so if myth isnt doing it what could be the cause?

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jeffmeden:

some tool hidden in mythdora?

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jeffmeden:

it sure is sparse

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CLucas916:

does anyone use zap2it for their mythbox?

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GreyFoxx:

clus: I'd say the majorityof users do

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GreyFoxx:

jeffmeden: I'd suggesting checking the X log to see if it's rejecting your config changes

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CLucas916:

k but from my understanding, you have to register with zap2it, but i cant seem to find the login on their site

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AngryElf:

labs.zap2it.com

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CLucas916:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

clus: You will want to check the mythtv.org docs to get the certificate code for signing up

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CLucas916:

GreyFoxx: alright thanks

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CLucas916:

does mythtv use xmltv?

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GreyFoxx:

datadirect for zxap2it

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GreyFoxx:

xmltv for everywhere else

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CLucas916:

so zap2it isnt my only option for a tv guide?

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GreyFoxx:

It's pretty much the only choice in north america

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CLucas916:

ah thats right, someone mentioned that

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fysa:

Hey GreyFoxx, do you know who is working on the mythdvd menu support?

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GreyFoxx:

I think Isaacdoes most of that

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GreyFoxx:

does/did

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jeffmeden:

this is some crap

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jeffmeden:

the log mentions detecting the displays

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jeffmeden:

but nothing about how i set it to only do 60hz

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jeffmeden:

its like it just doesnt care

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jeffmeden:

brainstorm

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CLucas916:

that was painless, zap2it even had the listings for the channels at my college

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CLucas916:

love it already

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fysa:

cool, thanks.

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jeffmeden:

if i unplug the monitor it has no choice but to pick a sensible resolution

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jeffmeden:

why does xorg have to be so self-righteous

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CLucas916:

now all i need is $600 and ill be good to go

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CLucas916:

anyone wanna throw in their 2 cents about which hauppauge card they prefer?

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lluad:

PVR350. Love the output quality.

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CLucas916:

lluad: how much did you pay for that card

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lluad:

Uh.... about $120, I think.

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lluad:

Got the retail version, as I needed a remote control as well.

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lluad:

It's cheaper white box.

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CLucas916:

i see

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CLucas916:

have you used the 150 or the 250?

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lluad:

Yeah, I'm using a 350 and a 150 at the moment.

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CLucas916:

lluad: ah perfect

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lluad:

The 150 is just fine.

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CLucas916:

is it?

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CLucas916:

good

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CLucas916:

lluad: and the video quality with the 150 isnt like, terrible?

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lluad:

Oh, it's just fine. It's probably the same encoding algorithms as the 350.

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CLucas916:

but its so much cheaper

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lluad:

But the 350 has the decoder too, which is drastically better quality than I saw when I tried software decoding.

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CLucas916:

ah

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CLucas916:

lluad: but would my nvidia video card have HW decoding?

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CLucas916:

i think im getting a 6200LE

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lluad:

I don't know for sure, but I'd doubt it.

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CLucas916:

ah ok

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mchou:

sigh....

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CLucas916:

mchou: lol

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mchou:

some ppl are clueless

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mchou:

CLucas916: just check the diff betw. svid and the tuner in the link Rule gave earlier

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mchou:

that ought to tell ya how bad the tuner sucks

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CLucas916:

ya but i wanted someones opinion

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mchou:

huh??

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mchou:

as oppoosed to objective EVIDENCE?

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CLucas916:

i cant get both?

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mchou:

sure you can. but I wouldnt give opinions any weight

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** lluad points out that he doesn't use the tuner on either card, on the off chance that's relevant to the rant **

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

now lluad comes with his disclaimers

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CLucas916:

lol

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lluad:

Heck, I was annoyed that I could only get composite out of the cable box and not svideo. Tuner? Nuh-uh.

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mchou:

lluad has lost all cedibility :)

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mchou:

credibility*

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CLucas916:

lol

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mchou:

CLucas916: trust me on this one. Firewire :)

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mchou:

cheap. way better than hauppauge crap

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mchou:

an STB cost me $5/mo

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mchou:

skip one meal and it's paid for :)

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mchou:

CLucas916: of course you need a beefy CPU for decoding HD

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CLucas916:

HD isnt in the picture

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mchou:

but I assume you're investing in a beefy CPU anyways

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CLucas916:

amd 64 3000

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CLucas916:

i dont consider that beefy

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mchou:

bah, that barely enough for HD

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mchou:

not beefy at all

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lluad:

. o O (if you can hear the TV over the CPU fans, it's not really "beefy" :) )

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CLucas916:

lol

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mchou:

lluad: dude, it's amd64

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CLucas916:

but im not worried about HD

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mchou:

cool and quiet

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mchou:

mine is 31 degF at idle

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mchou:

fscking ambient room temperature is warmer

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CLucas916:

does anyone know what the geforce 6100 chipset support is like under linux?

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mchou:

time for a burrito

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lindenle:

Hi I am having trouble with my ATI TV Wonder VE on a 2.6 kernel, It used to work just fine in 2.4 can someone offer me some advice. The problem is that i have no sound now.

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scopeuk:

go backto 2.4?

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CLucas916:

scopeuk: :P

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lindenle:

scopeuk: Would rather not do that

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scopeuk:

ok

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CLucas916:

lindenle: ATis are a bitch

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scopeuk:

im not 100% familier with the aiw

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lindenle:

CLucas916: Yeah I know, just wondered if anyone had any insight

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CLucas916:

i understand

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