Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, August 26th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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GreyFoxx:

what exactly does it say when this happens ?

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GreyFoxx:

If it's more than 2 or 3 lines put it into www.pastebin.ca

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greg_:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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greg_:

2006-08–26 00:09:45.108 Unable to connect to database!

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greg_:

2006-08–26 00:09:45.108 Driver error was [1/1045]:

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greg_:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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greg_:

Database error was:

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greg_:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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greg_:

basically that

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kormoc:

that's a crash ehh?

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kormoc:

I'd hate to see what you call a kernal panic

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briand:

"bad magic number!!"

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briand:

;)

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greg_:

?

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kormoc:

it didn't crash, it errored out cause you screwed up the db setup somehow

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Anduin:

greg_: That is an extremely common error, not a crash.

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greg_:

it closes out on me

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greg_:

i call that a crash

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kormoc:

not at all

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kormoc:

a crash is cause of a bug that causes a unsafe shutdown of the application

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greg_:

w/e

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greg_:

how do i fix it?

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kormoc:

this is just a misconfiguration and it exited out correctly and safely

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kormoc:

you fix your database permissions

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kormoc:

read the myth documentation on setting up your database, it's all covered there

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greg_:

why read u already kno

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greg_:

u could just tell me

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kormoc:

no, I can't

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kormoc:

it could be one of thousands of ways to be screwed up

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kormoc:

I can't read your mind and tell you at what step you did what wrong

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greg_:

all i did was

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greg_:

sudo apt-get install mysql-server

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kormoc:

well, you need to follow the other instructions

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greg_:

they dont have just 1 guide

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kormoc:

mythtv does

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greg_:

they have 50,00 question and aswers

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kormoc:

and it's on the mythtv website, surprise surprise

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greg_:

someone wanna do it for me?

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greg_:

plz

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greg_:

this is really annoying

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Anduin:

Sure, you're likable.

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greg_:

k

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greg_:

vncviewer greg-desktop:0

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kormoc:

wow

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kormoc:

given greg-desktop doesn't resolve

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kormoc:

nor the fact that your in a room with 153 people, giving access to your computer

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Anduin:

It does for me, I can't connect though.

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greg_:

u need psswrd

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greg_:

whicjh is ok

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greg_:

but it asks me first

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kormoc:

me just shakes his head sadly

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greg_:

i really dont care if some trys to mees up my comp i hav 10

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kormoc:

until they take over all 10?

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greg_:

and recover disks for all

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greg_:

there not linked

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kormoc:

seems a bit limited then

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greg_:

can some on plz just setup myth tv for me?

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greg_:

plz

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Anduin:

greg_: You will win few friends in this channel by 1) refusing to read the docs (or even google for an extremely common problem) 2) keep typing plz instead of please

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greg_:

ive googled for 3 days

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Scuzzle:

Did you follow the instructions at http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html especially section 6.2, since that seems to be where your problem lies.

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Scuzzle:

Maybe...

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greg_:

ii go to an irc channel to get an answer not to get told to go to google

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Scuzzle:

Did I point you at Google, or at a manual page?

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greg_:

no

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kormoc:

that wasn't a yes or no question

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greg_:

talkin to everyone else

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greg_:

To setup the initial MySQL databases:

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greg_:

$ cd database

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greg_:

Mandriva and Red Hat Linux/Fedora Core

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greg_:

$ mysql -u root < mc.sql

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greg_:

Debian 3.0

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greg_:

$ mysql < mc.sql

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greg_:

Gentoo

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greg_:

$ su

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greg_:

# mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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greg_:

none of those work

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Anduin:

greg_: Do not paste here.

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greg_:

k

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greg_:

well none of the comands on mythtv site work

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Scuzzle:

You mentioned you installed mysql from apt... Did you install myth from apt too?

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greg_:

yes

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greg_:

thats how the ubuntu tutorial said to

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Scuzzle:

Does typing 'mysql' on it's own get you connected to mysql?

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greg_:

no

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greg_:

i get error acess denied

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kormoc:

he didn't start it running

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kormoc:

least, not from what he said earlier

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greg_:

think hitti the computer w/ a hammer will help?

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Scuzzle:

I'm not familiar with Ubuntu, so not sure what it's procedure for starting mysql is... But probably something like "/etc/init.d/mysql start"

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greg_:

i hav no idea

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Scuzzle:

Well try it then...

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greg_:

no such file or directory

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Scuzzle:

Is mysql in the /etc/init.d directory?

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kormoc:

it might be mysqld

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greg_:

i can get to mysql administration is that what u want?

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Scuzzle:

Just open a command line, and type "ls /etc/init.d/*sql*"

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greg_:

no such file

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Scuzzle:

When you used APT to install mysql did it claim to have worked?

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greg_:

yes

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greg_:

its in my services

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Scuzzle:

When you were attempting to use the 'mysql' command earlier, what user are you?

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greg_:

me

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greg_:

i cant be root

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greg_:

in ubuntu

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Scuzzle:

Sorry, greg I think my zero knowledge of Ubuntu is going to prevent me helping you much. So when you open up a terminal window, you can't type 'su' to become root?

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greg_:

its sudo

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greg_:

i think

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Anduin:

It is.

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greg_:

k when i do sudo mysql

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Scuzzle:

Well, what happens?

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greg_:

i get mysql monitoring thingy

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Scuzzle:

You know that manual page I pointed you at earlier, it was requiring you to have a file called mc.sql, did you ever find/look for that?

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greg_:

i opened when u sent it

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cheatersrealm:

anyone know how I can get a prism1 wireless card working in knoppmyth

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greg_:

*sigh*

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greg_:

i guess its impossible

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cheatersrealm:

what?

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Anduin:

clearly

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Scuzzle:

greg_: Sorry, it's two in the morning now, I'm going to have to leave you to figure it out. You might want to type 'show databases;' in the mysql "monitoring thingy" if you see a mythconverg, it means the database has at least been set up. The manuals will help, but you may need to refer to the mysql manuals too, if security is broken for you.

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Scuzzle:

If it's impossible, then alot of folks here must be superheroes of some kind... :p

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greg_:

i mean impossible for me

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Scuzzle:

But g'niite everyone, *yawns*.

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greg_:

gnight

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greg_:

every time

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greg_:

every time

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greg_:

bye

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cheatersrealm:

hrm, well here goes

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cheatersrealm:

adding ubuntu repos to knoppmyth

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ender224455:

I know somebody is going to get angry with me, but is there a good site that explains how to enable DVD Ripping/Encoding (for encrypted DVD's that I own) on KnoppMyth (or just MythTV if it is the same)

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greg_:

hi

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greg_:

ive tried 7 apps for tv tuner card

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greg_:

they all get a problem w/ mythtv database

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Artos:

ender, have you seen http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythDVD

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Anduin:

That makes no sense, please restate.

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greg_:

i have tried 7 different tv veiwing apps

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greg_:

they all get an error having to do with mythtv database

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Anduin:

greg_: Exactly one of which will use the myth database.

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ender224455:

Artos: thanks, I will try following these steps (I'm just worried Knoppmyth will have some differences as far as directories go)

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Artos:

ah. that I don't know. :)

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greg_:

Anduin:?

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Anduin:

greg_: So 6 non-myth applications giving errors about the myth database makes sense to you?

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greg_:

i think there based on myth database

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greg_:

or atleast use it

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Anduin:

greg_: name one

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kormoc:

Anduin, that's easy, myth. Now, naming two, that's hard

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greg_:

kdevtv

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kormoc:

greg_, doesn't use mythconverg

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kormoc:

nor does it use mysql at all

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greg_:

then why doesnt it work?

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greg_:

it detects my card

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kormoc:

I'll use my telepathy and figure it out, but in order to help me, I need you to climb the tallest hill in your area, while carrying a full grown yak.

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greg_:

i did that yesterday

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greg_:

im tired

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greg_:

now

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kormoc:

well, guess I can't help you then, being yakless and all

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kormoc:

well greg_, let me ask you this. What do you do for a living?

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greg_:

go to 10th grade

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greg_:

k?

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greg_:

how would that help?

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AusIV:

Has anyone here gotten mytharchive to work?

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AusIV:

for burning playable DVDs, that is

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AusIV:

guess not

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Anduin:

A Friday night isn't always the best for polls

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Slartybartfast:

saturday afternoon

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Slartybartfast:

anyone know why the mythtv site is down?

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Anduin:

Works here.

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Slartybartfast:

sure you are not looking at a cache?

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Slartybartfast:

I can't ping www.mythtv.org

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Anduin:

I can.

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Slartybartfast:

hmmm.

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Slartybartfast:

PING mythtv.org (70.84.9.187) 56(84) bytes of data.

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Slartybartfast:

--- mythtv.org ping statistics ---

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Slartybartfast:

3 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 1999ms

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Slartybartfast:

am I resolving to the right address?

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Anduin:

Yes

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mxktmdude:

is there an easy way of installing myth via apt-get? ive found a few websites but the package servers dont seem to be correct

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wvolz:

anyone seeing issues with the program guide in livetv?

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wvolz:

specifically not being able to view the guide at all

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wvolz:

and after trying to access the guide not being able to exit livetv or bring the menu back up

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Adrian:

mxktmdude: for debian add 'deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main' to your sources.list

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mxktmdude:

Adrian, should i be running all my sources as etch or is it ok just for myth?

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Adrian:

mxktmdude: are you using etch?

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Adrian:

you didn't even say you are using debian

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mxktmdude:

stable at the moment, ive done a complete new install, sorry yes im using debian

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Adrian:

mxktmdude: if i was you i would dist-upgrade to etch

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mxktmdude:

ok, so once ive done that i would add 'deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main' and then do an apt-get mythtv

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Adrian:

mxktmdude: change all instances where in your sources.list it says stable to etch, at the same time add that line i pasted then 'apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade' then you can 'apt-get install mythtv'

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mxktmdude:

thanks very much Adrian, big help

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Anduin:

jams: That bug lets you correct some poor theme redesign decisions

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jams:

Anduin- yeah NOW i know :)

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mchou:

damn power outtage

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mchou:

and damn stupid moto 6200 and linux

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mchou:

how about a firewire bus rest when things come back on line?

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mchou:

s/rest/reset

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lu:

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sphery:

xris: If you're still looking for me, I'm back in town now (didn't get a chance to check IRC while gone). I'll be much more likely to respond. :)

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Esotericisms:

what is the link to the svn repo?

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Juski:

the svn repo... what svn repo?

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Esotericisms:

subversion repository of mythtv?

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Juski:

svn.mythtv.org would be a good place to start

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Esotericisms:

nm, found it

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BLuni:

hi. I'm having a problem compiling mythtv-0.19_p10505 in gentoo. I keep getting undefined references to "vbi_bit_reverse" "formats" and "subtitles" in libmythtv-0.19.so. Any ideas? or is this specific to gentoo? Thanks for your help.

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Juski:

BLuni: probably a missing dependency..

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Juski:

might help if you post the error you get into a pastebin

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Juski:

all the error ^^

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BLuni:

Juski: actually, i was using the backendonly use flag, i'm trying to recompile without it, maybe that will fix it

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Juski:

ah. those flags are mostly only for ports apparently

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BLuni:

Juski: i won't ever use the frontend (it's going to be a backend server, I don't even have a vid card for it)

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Juski:

that's gonna make life erm.. interesting come the time you run mythtv-setup

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BLuni:

can't i just start an X session to VNC in?

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fysa:

X11+VNC should be fine

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Juski:

ahh.. didn't realise X could run without a video card present :)

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BLuni:

yea, have to do it for some classwork here

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Juski:

in that case you'll be fine I imagine

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BLuni:

go go compile go

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BLuni:

sweet compile worked

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BLuni:

sorry for the false alarm ;-)

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BLuni:

thanks for your time

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Esotericisms:

aparently mythwebsvn requires mythtv svn as well :/

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Juski:

and that's some kind of surprise?

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Esotericisms:

no not really , just wanted to see the improvements of mythweb if there were any

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gambler:

Is there a tv-tuner card that is reccomended for myth? Im in australia...

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Juski:

what a question

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Juski:

mythtv doesn't recommend tuners. but if you're in Australia I recommend you take a look at dvb-t tuners if you live in an area which can get digital

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gambler:

my first mythtv project didnt work out ... I had an analogue card.

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Juski:

see www.linuxtv.org & the dvb wiki for details on which dvb-t tuners work in linux

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Juski:

you might even be able to get HDTV where you live with a dvb-t tuner :)

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gambler:

juski what is the difference between an analogue and digital tuner?

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Juski:

well for one thing with a digital tuner – there's no conversion of the video & audio signal – you get the mpeg2 stream right there onto the PCI bus. it's more like DVD quality than TV

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gambler:

interesting....do most new tvs use digital tuners?

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Juski:

also – with dvb-t tuners there's no encoding involved so the load on your cpu while recording from even 3 cards will be very low indeed (my old 800mhz system could record 3 shows at the same time & still stream to my frontend)

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Juski:

let's get this straight... 'digital tuner' does not necessarily mean dvb-t

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Juski:

they're talking about switching analogue off in Oz anyway – have you missed that?

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Juski:

http://www.dba.org.au/

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Juski:

anyway I need to go showing (I steeeeeeenk)

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Juski:

s/showing/shower

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gambler:

ok go clean thyself

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Juski:

yeh so I'd say if you can get digital tv where you live, go for a dvb-t tuner or two. Just avoid the Hauppauge Nova-T 500 (note I said nova-t 500) cos there are no working linux drivers yet

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Juski:

right time to head out & do lots of fun stuff. see y'all tomorrow maybe

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Esotericisms:

anyone know where the weather settings are kept in the database?

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Juski:

Esotericisms: in the settings table, per frontend

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Esotericisms:

you know the value name of it? cause I can't find it

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Juski:

the location used for mythweather is called locale

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Esotericisms:

thank you

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Juski:

also SIUnits – a boolean (0 or 1)

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Juski:

and WeatherAgressiveLvl

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Juski:

be careful in there

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Juski:

almost time to catch my train

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fish__:

re

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noday:

i was wondering if someone could help me....I keep getting the "MySQL server has gone away" error, even after updating to 0.19 fixes

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noday:

well....i think i updated it correctly. i added the repo and downloaded from that, but under the main user, not mythtv....that shouldnt be the problem though, right?

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noday:

anyone?

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Kelerion:

guys... quick question.. can an old athlon (first 462 socket) processor fit in with the Socket 754 mobos?

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Kelerion:

are the sockets compatible basicly?

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Zider:

doubt that

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Juski:

with enough force, I bet anything could be made to fit ;)

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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riddlebox:

is anyone using fedora to run mythtv?

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Juski:

does anyone get tired of seeing metaquestions?

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Zider:

metawhat?

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Juski:

very very general questions

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Ribs:

riddlebox, I would suspect so... there are even dedicated guides to doing so

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Juski:

just ask the question riddlebox – get down to the bones of what you want to know

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riddlebox:

in fedora, can you issue a yum upgrade and recieve a new kernel and still have the ivtv drivers work, so you dont have to recompile the drivers all the time?

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Juski:

that'd very much depend on whether or not there's an ivtv package for the kernel version you upgrade to

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riddlebox:

I have mythtv running in ubuntu right now, but I have to watch my updates to make sure I dont break dependency on the kernel

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Juski:

I tend to ignore most of the updates

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Juski:

I upgrade stuff when I see fit thanks very much mr Umbongo

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Kelerion:

once it's running properly.. why even do any updates? your not getting any benefit out of them

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Juski:

yeh it's not like some 1337 h@xx0r is gonna take your myth box down in the middle of the night is it?

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Kelerion:

only time I let my myth box get updates is when I'm uprading myth itself

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Juski:

I still need to find out how to turn the damn update notification off

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Juski:

couldn't find it on umbongo's website

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Kelerion:

same here.. I removed update-notifier from the session startup too.. didn't do a bloody thing.. lol

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Juski:

might alias it to something harmless

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Juski:

unless it's built into the frickin core.. nothing would surprise me

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Ribs:

Do mythtv and mysql 5.0 get along these days?

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Ribs:

I heared there used to be issues

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Kelerion:

I suppose you could remove the notification panel.. things like that tend to stop working then I've noticed

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riddlebox:

Ribs, mythtv 0.19 works fine with it

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Ribs:

fantastic, cheers.

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Ribs:

is it 0.18 that has the issues?

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riddlebox:

thats how I understand it

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Ribs:

hrm

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Juski:

0.19-fixes works fine. 0.19 does not

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riddlebox:

ahh thats it

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Ribs:

ah

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Ribs:

it's a shitter that Ubuntu only supplies 0.18

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Ribs:

maybe I should just bite the bullet and compile the damned thing

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riddlebox:

yeah I know, I had to compile everything as well

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Juski:

Ribs: if you're on dapper you have no need to compile

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Juski:

get the hamsta debs... see the channel faq

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Ribs:

ah, okay

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Ribs:

cheers.

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Ribs:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/Specia . . . tu&go=Go

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Ribs:

hrm

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Ribs:

"ouch" ? :)

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riddlebox:

Juski, thats so funny I am the one who posted the ubuntu section in there, but when I posted it, they didnt have the working debs yet

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Juski:

heh

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riddlebox:

Juski, if I have compiled my mythtv stuff, if I put those sources in, will it erase my database and stuff?

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Juski:

if you value your DB, you'd best back it up before upgrading

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Juski:

juuuust incase ;)

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cheatersrealm:

aight, time to set up mythtv on ubuntu, knoppmyth doesn't seem to like my wireless card

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riddlebox:

yeah I think I may, cause I like mythweb and stuff, and I have some sort of learning disability when it comes to that

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riddlebox:

cheatersrealm,

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Juski:

wireless schmireless.

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riddlebox:

I have a good howto on ubuntu stuff

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cheatersrealm:

oh yeah?

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gardengnome:

re

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riddlebox:

give me a sec

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cheatersrealm:

I was planning on modifying http://www.section6.net/wiki/index.php/Instal . . . Ubuntu_Linux

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cheatersrealm:

and using the package in multiverse

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Juski:

cheatersrealm: don't go there. get the hamsta debs instead

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Juski:

see the channel faq

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cheatersrealm:

ok

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cheatersrealm:

I just installed it so it'd dist-upgrading right now

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riddlebox:

cheatersrealm, http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html and also use the FAQ in the topic to settle any differences

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Juski:

all these blummin armchair experts sites... grrrr. they should put stuff in the proper place not their own websites

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cheatersrealm:

aight

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cheatersrealm:

I'll use the hamsta debs then

[13:56:33]

cheatersrealm:

I liked the section6 guide I have though

[13:56:36]

cheatersrealm:

it seems to be good

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cheatersrealm:

except you gotta build everything from source

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Juski:

heh

[13:57:25]

cheatersrealm:

yeah personal websites get hidden sometimes

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riddlebox:

Juski, this guy took some extra steps which I though was a cool thing, like tells you how to create a cron job to make sure the mythbackend is running all the time

[13:57:30]

cheatersrealm:

on google

[13:57:56]

Juski:

riddlebox: generally not a good idea. if mythbackend crashes I'd want to know WHY

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cheatersrealm:

anyone know if there is ubuntu kernel that supports v4l?

[13:58:13]

cheatersrealm:

or does it already support v4l?

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gardengnome:

cheatersrealm: it does already.

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Juski:

hey hey gardengnome :) did you get all tidied up in time?

[13:58:51]

gardengnome:

Juski: no. hehehe :)

[13:59:01]

gardengnome:

gardengnome: i'm still at it. :)

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Juski:

got a call from mrs J this morning, apologising for not ringing last night... jesus she's not well today though.. lol

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cheatersrealm:

ok, so it seems that my kernel loaded 'tuner' so I hope that it's got the right stuff

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gardengnome:

Juski: heheh :)

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Juski:

looked in on her when I got home an hour or so ago.. bucket by the bed :-O getting no sympathy from me :-P

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gardengnome:

Juski: you need to get her some food. chinese, maybe?

[14:03:14]

gardengnome:

fish and chips should work, too.

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fish__:

chips *mhhhh*

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fish__:

;>

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** fish__ and chips **

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gardengnome:

hehe :)

[14:04:29]

Juski:

maybe a nice greasy fry-up

[14:05:00]

Juski:

seriously.. stay out all night without telling me there are repurcusions

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riddlebox:

Juski, if you do not like personal websites as tips and stuff, how do you feel about having packages in other repositories instead of the main ones?

[14:05:35]

cheatersrealm:

riddlebox: it's hard to get packages into repositories

[14:05:38]

gardengnome:

riddlebox: well. how do you get stuff into the wiki? you edit it. how do you stuff into the main repositories?

[14:05:40]

Juski:

riddlebox: needs must. there's no good reason for the likes of ubuntu not to have 0.19 packages in there

[14:05:40]

cheatersrealm:

riddlebox: it's easy to edit a wiki

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gardengnome:

i think they don't do upgrades of packages once a distro is released

[14:06:24]

Juski:

when I say 'no good reason' – I mean the reason is stupid IP & software patent law

[14:06:35]

riddlebox:

ohh I see

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Juski:

the wiki's been there for ages – people should use it otherwise what's the point in having it?

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gardengnome:

yep

[14:07:29]

Juski:

right now it's sometimes like a juggling act, reading between the pages of two or more howto guides

[14:07:30]

gardengnome:

and some of the stuff in those external websites is just... wrong, or way too complicated

[14:07:55]

Juski:

and when do you ever see someone explain why your're doing what they tell you to do?

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riddlebox:

thats true, I was just wondering, cause right after dapper came out, the only thing you could do was force the install of mysql4 and mythtv-0.18 but there were so many problems getting that to work

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Juski:

how can noobs learn if they're just typing stuff into terminals like dumb monkeys?

[14:08:24]

riddlebox:

and most of the other repositories didnt yet have working 0.19 packages yet

[14:08:43]

riddlebox:

so I was forced to compile my own

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Juski:

with the mythtv.org docs – you can just about figure out what to do (IMHO) regarding doing the actual setup. but sometimes it's the _install_ itself that gives folks the headaches

[14:09:51]

Juski:

anyway things will improve a lot in future. people are working on ways to make less stuff for peeps to configure from scratch by themselves

[14:09:58]

riddlebox:

Juski, I agree, the docs are actually good, that is how I learned to save my database and put it back in after a new install

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Juski:

even now, still too many wiki edits are people adding feature requests :-|

[14:12:13]

Juski:

but then every opensource project has that. too many takers & not enough givers

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gardengnome:

Juski: well, we had a nice turkish guy in the wiki the other day :)

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riddlebox:

yeah, I wanted a feature and am still working on it once I get it good enough I will give it to whoever wants it

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riddlebox:

I am writing an app to interface asterisk and myth so you can setup recordings from calling into asterisk

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Juski:

blimey

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Juski:

gardengnome: what's the significance of that?

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gardengnome:

Juski: uh, he defaced the main page a little bit

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Juski:

ah. any screenshots?

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gardengnome:

check the "recent changes", the edits were made by "isaac".

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cheatersrealm:

so the mythtv package on hamsta.net

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cheatersrealm:

has bad dep.resolving

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cheatersrealm:

hrm, upon adding universe and multiverse, it works

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gardengnome:

:)

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cheatersrealm:

I'll add that to the wiki

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jams:

hi all

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Juski:

hi jams :)

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cheatersrealm:

where is the setting that tells mythfilldatabase what user account to use on mysql?

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Hoxzer:

gEEZ

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Hoxzer:

I'm so tirend

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GreyFoxx:

cheatersrealm: In mysql.txt. It can be in several locations. ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt or somewhere under /etc or /usr/

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cheatersrealm:

got it

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JohnFlux:

Hey all

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cheatersrealm:

"Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed"

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JohnFlux:

I have setup mythtv and it works wonderfully. I'm trying to now install the frontend on a windows machine. When I run the frontend on the windows machine, it throws an exception that CMythBase could not be initialised

[15:05:26]

JohnFlux:

I have googled, but I can't find any solutions

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gardengnome:

cheatersrealm: that error msg is normal. ignore it. :)

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gardengnome:

Hoxzer: modprobe caffeine ;)

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cheatersrealm:

aight

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cheatersrealm:

well I'm having issues

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cheatersrealm:

hrm, well maybe it just works

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** jams collapses after reading through some c++ code **

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cheatersrealm:

so if that error message is normal

[15:12:31]

cheatersrealm:

how come I can't get /usr/bin/mythbackend to run?

[15:13:01]

cheatersrealm:

hrm, I can't connect to the database using mythtv @ localhost

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cheatersrealm:

except I made it connect as root @ localh ost

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cheatersrealm:

in the mysql.txt

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cheatersrealm:

ahh

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cheatersrealm:

it created a ~/.mythtv/

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cheatersrealm:

for my user that wasn't mythtv

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cheatersrealm:

so I just deleted that stuff

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gardengnome:

you can find the password for the database in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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cheatersrealm:

I just set it to a known account

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cheatersrealm:

since myth is the only thing on this tv

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cheatersrealm:

er computer

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cheatersrealm:

it doesn't matter

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Juski:

hm. good job the non-removable wristband I'm wearing (which I need to get into a party tonight) is showerproof.

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Juski:

slow day today huh :)

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gardengnome:

yeah

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** gardengnome off to some medieval market now. later. **

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cheatersrealm:

ok, so I have mythtv set up

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cheatersrealm:

but it doesn't seem to get reception

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cheatersrealm:

and this is on cable

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cheatersrealm:

anyone heard of an issue like this

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cheatersrealm:

ati tv wonder pro (the one with the remote)

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mdfedderly:

so I have mythtv set up

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mdfedderly:

but when I scan for channels, none are found

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mdfedderly:

and when I try to watch tv, I just get static

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JohnQ:

Strange... I just attached a mouse to my mythv machine... and it is AMAZINGLY jerky.. like 2 FPS :-/

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sceo:

mdfedderly: most likely you don't have it tuned to the correct type of cable us-cable-hrc is what I needed for Comcast in Boston area

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mdfedderly:

k

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jenn`:

I'm trying to get mythtv up and running and I get an error: QMYSQL3: Unable to connect Database error was: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) mysqld.sock is really located in /tmp

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jenn`:

mysql works fine (I use it for other things), qt3 is installed with mysql in the USE flags

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pushpop-:

jenn` /etc/init.d/mysql start

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jenn`:

mysql works fine

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jenn`:

and is started

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JohnFlux_:

Hey all

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JohnFlux_:

I'm trying to run mythfrontend on a remote machine

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jenn`:

I don't know what importance it has, but mysqld.sock is definitely not where it's looking for it. its in /tmp

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JohnFlux_:

it says I haven't setup the master backend IP address in the "setup program"

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JohnFlux_:

but I don't know what the setup program is!

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jenn`:

mythtv-setup

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JohnFlux_:

i don't have that

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pushpop-:

sunyIT Woot!

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jenn`:

lol

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jenn`:

you know of it?

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pushpop-:

ya im from long island

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jenn`:

ah, cool

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pushpop-:

=

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pushpop-:

=)

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jenn`:

tiny school, most ppl dont have the slightest clue what it is

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pushpop-:

I've heard of it

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pushpop-:

never been there though

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jenn`:

yeah its a good ways from you

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jenn`:

so...any ideas how to fix mythtv? :)

[16:59:35]

pushpop-:

im on my 3rd day and 2nd distro trying to get it to work

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jenn`:

nevermind then

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pushpop-:

Ubuntu didnt have very good firewire support for mythtv, so I had to go to gentoo

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pushpop-:

lol

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jenn`:

yeah i' using gentoo

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jenn`:

i even foudn the gentoo-wiki page for it, but it's not helping with this error. it has a solution for the error, btu i already tried it

[17:00:50]

pushpop-:

You sure mysql is started?

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jenn`:

positive

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jenn`:

ps aux | grep mysql shows it

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mdfedderly:

hrm, so I've tried us-cable, us-cable-hrc, us-cable-irc

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jenn`:

the socket thing concerns me

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** pushpop- shrugs **

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mdfedderly:

none of them give me signal

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pushpop-:

im a noob

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Ribs:

noobs don't know they are noobs

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jenn`:

true

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pushpop-:

i admit it

[17:02:19]

jenn`:

well sometimes they do

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pushpop-:

im a freaking noob

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jenn`:

they know that they don't know enough, lol

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Ribs:

noobs have no idea they are noobs

[17:02:44]

Ribs:

they are arrogant by definition

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Ribs:

see here: http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20060823

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jenn`:

ah, yeah good point

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JohnFlux_:

hmm i can't find mythtv-setup

[17:02:55]

jenn`:

diff btwn being new and being a noob

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jenn`:

:)

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Ribs:

that url explains it well

[17:03:44]

mdfedderly:

so any idea how I can figure out why my cable doesn't seem to get reception?

[17:03:48]

mdfedderly:

on my tv tuner card?

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JohnFlux_:

jenn`: oh wait, do I run mythtv-setup on the backend server?

[17:04:34]

jenn`:

yes

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jenn`:

you might want to make sure you follow all the steps in the docs

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JohnFlux_:

jenn`: ah thanks :-)

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JohnFlux_:

jenn`: yeah I'd accidently set that up as 127. heh

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JohnQ:

Anyone know why my psaux mouse on my myth machine would be reacting VERY slowly? both in gpm and X... It's jerky.. only moving positions every second or so.. Never seen this before

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mdfedderly:

if I have a blue background when I open tv

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Ribs:

JohnQ, hotplugged it?

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mdfedderly:

does that mean the frequencys are wrong for the channels?

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JohnQ:

... you arent going to tell me I need to reboot in order to attach a mouse, are you?

[17:09:36]

Ribs:

yep

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Ribs:

Your motherboard is freaking out

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jenn`:

you can just restart X cant you

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Ribs:

gpm = console mouse pointer

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Ribs:

innit

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JohnQ:

aye

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JohnQ:

my backend is in the middle of recording.. I'd rather not reboot at this second :-)

[17:10:28]

Ribs:

USB mouse?

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JohnQ:

nah ps2

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Ribs:

wtf dude

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Ribs:

Don't hotplug ps2

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JohnQ:

I cant believe there is an instance where a linux box needs to be rebooted, where a winblows machine doesnt.

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jenn`:

yeah really

[17:11:52]

jenn`:

its just a mouse

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JohnFlux_:

you shouldn't hotplug ps2 in any OS

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jenn`:

its...a mouse

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JohnFlux_:

ps2 wasn't designed for it

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Ribs:

It's... ps2

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jenn`:

thats interesting

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Ribs:

I've seen that happen in Windows as well

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Ribs:

it's nothing to do with the OS

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jenn`:

i've always hotplugged mice

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JohnFlux_:

a lot of motherboards have been fried

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JohnQ:

Me too.. and this is the first time I have ever had a problem

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mdfedderly:

how do you change inputs on a card (from catv to composite)

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Ribs:

jenn`, now is a good time to stop :)

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jenn`:

lol

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jenn`:

I have USB mice now...is that ok?

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Ribs:

USB is hotpluggable, yes

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JohnFlux_:

yeah USB is fine

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jenn`:

k then

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Ribs:

it was designed to be

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jenn`:

learn something new everyday

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jenn`:

anyway....i'm gonna repeat my question now in hopes that someone somewhere has an idea

[17:14:07]

Ribs:

jenn`, mysql screwup?

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jenn`:

I'm trying to get mythtv up and running and I get an error: QMYSQL3: Unable to connect Database error was: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) mysqld.sock is really located in /tmp

[17:14:26]

Ribs:

jenn`, MySql server version & MythTV version please...

[17:14:40]

JohnQ:

There has to be a way to fix this without rebooting.. I mean... its a mouse!

[17:14:44]

jenn`:

lol

[17:15:02]

Ribs:

JohnQ, Unplug the mouse... then the pointer won't jerk around anymore

[17:15:05]

jenn`:

mysql Ver 14.7 Distrib 4.1.21, for pc-linux-gnu (i686) using readline 5.1

[17:15:23]

Ribs:

jenn`, translated means MySQL version 5 ?

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jenn`:

mythtv-0.19_p9163-r1

[17:15:35]

jenn`:

i dunno

[17:15:43]

GreyFoxx:

Ribs: No, it means 4.1.21

[17:15:50]

Ribs:

hrm

[17:16:02]

Ribs:

well, there goes my theory of the mysql v5 problems...

[17:16:06]

jenn`:

i'm running gentoo as well, if it means anything

[17:16:09]

jenn`:

lol

[17:16:14]

JohnFlux_:

MSDN report of the hot plug mouse problem: http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2004/09/17/230839.aspx

[17:16:19]

JohnFlux_:

btw ;)

[17:16:33]

jenn`:

well the gentoo-wiki page on mythtv suggested it was a problem with qt not having the mysql use flag, so i recompiled it with it and made sure qt3 was the only version on my system (it wasnt, but it is now)

[17:16:34]

** Ribs resists the urge to blame gentoo **

[17:16:40]

jenn`:

hey now.

[17:16:50]

Ribs:

I have baaad memories of Gentoo

[17:16:54]

jenn`:

i <3 gentoo

[17:17:39]

Ribs:

you did restart the server after compiling it again, right?

[17:17:50]

Ribs:

oh, it's qt you recompiled

[17:17:50]

Ribs:

hrm

[17:18:00]

JohnFlux_:

if I want to play movies remotely, do I have to store the movies in a place that all machines can view them from

[17:18:04]

JohnFlux_:

or can I stream them

[17:18:11]

jenn`:

i restarted mysql and mythbackend after i did anything at all, just because i had no better ideas

[17:18:15]

JohnFlux_:

currently my remote machine seems to be looking locally

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JohnFlux_:

in the documentation there is a section on using NFS

[17:22:23]

JohnFlux_:

but it's not clear if I have to use NFS

[17:27:13]

GreyFoxx:

JohnFlux_: You don't have to for recordings

[17:27:40]

GreyFoxx:

But if you want mythvideo (music or gallery) to access content on the other machine you will need to mount itover the network.Either nfs or samba

[17:27:53]

JohnFlux_:

GreyFoxx: actually i'm not using the tv part at all :-) just for the mythtv

[17:27:56]

JohnFlux_:

*mythvideo sorry

[17:28:32]

JohnFlux_:

ah, I do have to use nfs/samba

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JohnFlux_:

hmm

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JohnFlux_:

for the actual playing of the film I was thinking of running a remote ssh command that runs vlc, and streams it over the connection. I have more bandwidth than cpu on some machines

[17:30:10]

GreyFoxx:

why go to that hassle?

[17:30:16]

JohnFlux_:

but I want the dvd cover images :)

[17:30:48]

JohnFlux_:

well i have a few old touchscreen machines

[17:31:12]

JohnFlux_:

this way i can browse on the touchscreen, then when I play, it plays on the touchscreen and on the main screen at the same time

[17:31:31]

JohnFlux_:

vlc can stream a video to many computers at a time

[17:31:33]

JohnFlux_:

it's mostly me just mucking about heh

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GreyFoxx:

I use vlc multicast all the time at work

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JohnFlux_:

ah cool

[17:32:35]

JohnFlux_:

i can just setup a ssh -c vlc multicast for the play command right?

[17:32:49]

JohnFlux_:

I think that should work theoritically

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GreyFoxx:

*shrug* I just use shellcommands

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** JohnFlux_ nods **

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GreyFoxx:

well, shells for unicast streams, for themulticast I just use the gui to set it up,but it should be fairly simple

[17:33:58]

sceo:

I was importing a DVD and it died half-way (literally; that is — it ripped into a giant .vob in /myth/tmp — then I got "Error: couldn't start transcode" Can I 'transcode' a .vob file directly?

[17:34:06]

JohnFlux_:

hmm, is hard setting up an nfs server? :)

[17:34:13]

GreyFoxx:

easy

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Anduin:

sceo: That is all mtd does.

[17:34:56]

JohnFlux_:

GreyFoxx: i'm looking for a package to apt-get ;)

[17:34:59]

mdfedderly:

so when I try and watch tv, I just get a blue screen, what does that mean?

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GreyFoxx:

JohnFlux_: You don't need a package

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GreyFoxx:

IT should be already built into your distro

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GreyFoxx:

you just need to configure and enable it at most

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sceo:

Anduin: mtd is running

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JohnFlux_:

just reading instructions now ..

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JohnFlux_:

when they load :/ stupid internet connection

[17:36:02]

sceo:

the thought then, is, I can transcode [options options

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Anduin:

sceo: Yeah, you should check the mtd log to see why it failed to transcode, but when transcoding mtd just calls transcode with the .vob

[17:36:09]

sceo:

] myrip.vob?

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sceo:

ok — maybe running transcode will give me better error messages... my log just has " job failed: job dvd 1 1 3 0 -1 /myth/music/Movies/mymovie"

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JohnFlux_:

GreyFoxx: cool I set it up :-)

[17:49:07]

JohnFlux_:

GreyFoxx: that was painless

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JohnQ:

Wow... zsnes is choppy as all hell... hmm.

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mdfedderly:

how can I tell if my tv tuner card is loaded successfully?

[18:01:07]

Anduin:

mdfedderly: Which?

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mdfedderly:

ati tv wonder pro

[18:02:41]

mdfedderly:

it seems to have loaded the cx88 driver

[18:02:57]

mdfedderly:

according to ubuntu's device manager

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jenn`:

I'm trying to get mythtv up and running and I get an error: QMYSQL3: Unable to connect Database error was: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) mysqld.sock is really located in /tmp

[18:03:43]

mdfedderly:

Anduin: it seems to have loaded correctly, I guess

[18:03:58]

mdfedderly:

Anduin: it knows that it's a tv wonder pro

[18:05:32]

mdfedderly:

argh

[18:07:35]

Anduin:

jenn`: /etc/my.cnf matches that?

[18:07:51]

jenn`:

it matches /tmp/mysqld.conf

[18:08:07]

jenn`:

as does ps aux | grep mysqld

[18:08:54]

jenn`:

er, /tmp/mysql.sock

[18:09:16]

Anduin:

Yes, nice, and my.cnf has?

[18:09:21]

jenn`:

/tmp/mysql.sock

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Anduin:

jenn`: You have a [client] section?

[18:10:15]

jenn`:

yes

[18:10:31]

jenn`:

all occurrences of "sock" say /tmp/mysql.sock

[18:13:14]

jenn`:

was that what you were looking for?

[18:13:36]

Anduin:

jenn`: Yup, want to share the file on a paste site?

[18:13:39]

jenn`:

sure

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jenn`:

http://pastebin.ca/150292

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JohnFlux_:

GreyFoxx: it's works really well :-)

[18:16:06]

JohnFlux_:

GreyFoxx: thanks for your help

[18:16:12]

JohnFlux_:

and everyone else

[18:16:36]

JohnFlux_:

I'm happy ;-) I have frontend, backend all working. I can watch my videos on any machine :)

[18:17:18]

mdfedderly:

congrats, JohnFlux_

[18:17:22]

mdfedderly:

if only I was so lucky

[18:17:35]

mdfedderly:

I'm beginning to think that mythtv sucks because it's impossible to set up

[18:18:39]

JohnFlux_:

mdfedderly: i have no idea what your prob is sorry

[18:18:43]

JohnFlux_:

mdfedderly: what distro?

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jenn`:

Anduin, thank you for your help...I found a work around

[18:31:28]

Anduin:

jenn`: What was it?

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jenn`:

symlink /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock -> /tmp/mysql.sock

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Anduin:

jenn`: Ok, you might want to look for other my.cnf (or .my.cnf in ~) files.

[18:32:41]

jenn`:

Anduin, mysql was definitely using /tmp/mysql.sock

[18:32:43]

jenn`:

no question about it

[18:32:52]

jenn`:

mythtv was looking for /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock...dont know why it would be

[18:32:57]

jenn`:

unless its like hardcoded

[18:33:13]

Anduin:

jenn`: It is unless it finds the right entry in a my.cnf file

[18:33:49]

jenn`:

i'll do a find and see if there's another one...but if not, i'll just mention something to the mythtv people and see what they say. either way, its working for me right now (well, htis part of it at least)

[18:34:15]

gardengnome:

mdfedderly: use dmesg to see if your card driver was properly loaded.

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Anduin:

jenn`: It has nothing to do with myth

[18:34:26]

jenn`:

then what else could it be?

[18:34:29]

jenn`:

if there's no other my.cnf

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Anduin:

jenn`: Myth uses Qt, which just uses the mysql client lib

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jenn`:

ah, thats true

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jenn`:

so maybe its a qt thing...

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Anduin:

jenn`: You don't get the same error when you just run mysql?

[18:35:05]

jenn`:

nope, mysql is fine

[18:35:10]

jenn`:

i use it for web applications all the time

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jenn`:

and connect via command line

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cheatersrealm:

gardengnome: tvtime works

[18:40:24]

cheatersrealm:

hrjm

[18:40:25]

cheatersrealm:

correction

[18:40:36]

cheatersrealm:

tvtime works but only for composite (and I assume s-video, but haven't tried it)

[18:40:40]

cheatersrealm:

the antenna in does not

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cheatersrealm:

antenna gives me no signal in tvtime

[18:41:06]

cheatersrealm:

and it does the same blue screen thing in mythtv

[18:41:18]

cheatersrealm:

so I assume that mythtv is also getting 'no signal' from the antenna

[18:43:50]

gardengnome:

and i assume your capture card (or its driver) is broken.

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cheatersrealm:

why would you assume that?

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gardengnome:

because it doesn't work?

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cheatersrealm:

well the card has worked (a long time ago under windows)

[18:45:46]

cheatersrealm:

so I'm fairly confident the card works

[18:45:58]

gardengnome:

so, broken driver then :)

[18:45:59]

cheatersrealm:

and I'd assume that the driver isn't broken, because the card is an old v4l

[18:46:08]

cheatersrealm:

ati tv wonder pro

[18:46:15]

cheatersrealm:

and it seems to have loaded ok

[18:46:19]

gardengnome:

ok. then tell me why it doesn't work :)

[18:46:46]

cheatersrealm:

dunno, I was hoping someone had an answer about why ati tv wonder pro's antenna in was flaky under linux

[18:48:54]

gardengnome:

tuner.ko was probably loaded with a wrong tuner type.

[18:50:07]

cheatersrealm:

according to ubuntu

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cheatersrealm:

it thinks that it is a tv wonder pro

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cheatersrealm:

under the device manager

[18:50:32]

cheatersrealm:

so I suspect that it is, in fact, loaded with the write tuner type

[18:50:35]

gardengnome:

i've never used such a thing.

[18:51:36]

gardengnome:

but it's great that you know what is wrong and what is right. i'll leave you alone now since you obviously know what you're doing.

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cheatersrealm:

I've just checked these things already

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cheatersrealm:

I feel like it's not a very popular card because googling this is nearly useless

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gardengnome:

yeah, you looked in the f'ing "device manager". i wouldn't trust that thing.

[18:53:31]

gardengnome:

you need to compare the output of dmesg with whatever tuner is sitting on your card. there's a CARDLIST.tuners somewhere in the kernel source

[18:53:55]

cheatersrealm:

what line should I grep dmesg for?

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gardengnome:

dunno off-hand. maybe "tuner"?

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cheatersrealm:

ok, I'll go grep for that

[18:58:13]

cheatersrealm:

tuner gives me nada

[18:58:18]

cheatersrealm:

cx88 gives me stuff

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cheatersrealm:

but since the computer's been up for a while, it doesn't seem to be easy to find things

[18:58:36]

cheatersrealm:

so I'm gonna restart and re-grep for cx88

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gardengnome:

just read through the whole thing, it can't be that much

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cheatersrealm:

haha

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cheatersrealm:

cx88 was putting a ton of stuff in dmesg

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|marvin|:

hello, good evening

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cheatersrealm:

but I'll read through it now since it just restarted

[19:00:02]

gardengnome:

well, but you're interested in that cx88 stuff :)

[19:00:12]

CCFL_Man:

why are large hard drives so damn expensive when my payroll is so little?

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|marvin|:

i´m pretty new to mythtv and would like to check out the 0.20pre, is there anybody how allready build rpm´s for suse 10.1 ?

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gardengnome:

|marvin|: if you are new to mythtv and can't compile your own packages, then you probably should wait till 0.20 is released.

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cheatersrealm:

gardengnome: ok, so after booting, the only stuff about my tv tuner card is the auto-detection, which is correct

[19:05:04]

cheatersrealm:

gardengnome: it detects the tv wonder pro

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|marvin|:

gardengnome: i´m right now trying to compile from the svn, but the first try did not worg

[19:05:15]

cheatersrealm:

gardengnome: then it detects the philips chipset that it uses

[19:05:21]

gardengnome:

cheatersrealm: does it actually detect a tuner?

[19:06:04]

|marvin|:

worg=work

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cheatersrealm:

gardengnome: yes

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|marvin|:

...but probably someone could help me fixing a prob with the backend daemon

[19:10:39]

CCFL_Man:

is it a better idea to build my own file server for video on demand stuff than to buy one of those consumer units?

[19:11:00]

GreyFoxx:

That depends on what you value

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|marvin|:

if i use the packman packages i can start the daemon ,but the daemon does not start the backend when i start the frontend

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gardengnome:

cheatersrealm: does it detect the *right* tuner type?

[19:11:40]

cheatersrealm:

gardengnome: yes

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|marvin|:

does anybody know why this could be ?

[19:11:47]

gardengnome:

cheatersrealm: how can you tell?

[19:11:52]

CCFL_Man:

GreyFoxx: i need atleast 1TB of space, gigE, decent perfoamance

[19:12:07]

cheatersrealm:

gardengnome: I checked the card, and I checked the dmesg

[19:12:17]

GreyFoxx:

Well,imho is better to build your own, but ymmv

[19:13:06]

CCFL_Man:

GreyFoxx: i think your right, the professional file servers cost shitloads and could be just as reliable as one you build yourself

[19:13:35]

GreyFoxx:

A build it your own is more flexible (in drive space, ram, network etc) and is easier to do stuff do as needed

[19:13:51]

GreyFoxx:

honestly you don';t need much cpu for file serving. So if you have plenty it cando other tasks as well

[19:14:37]

gardengnome:

cheatersrealm: so, the sticker on the tuner says the same as dmesg?

[19:15:13]

cheatersrealm:

gardengnome: yes

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gardengnome:

cheatersrealm: then you should indeed be fine. does your card work in cawtv?

[19:16:00]

gardengnome:

xawtv* sorrc

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gardengnome:

sorry* dammit ;)

[19:16:10]

cheatersrealm:

gardengnome: xawtv?

[19:16:27]

gardengnome:

yep.

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CCFL_Man:

GreyFoxx: well, on my fileserver i was looking for uPnP server, telnet, ftp, smb, and nfs only, no gui, nothing special, mainly file serving, but i cannot find any motherboards designed for that specifically

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cheatersrealm:

gardengnome: I'll try xawtv, but tvtime doesn't let me get signal on the antenna

[19:17:00]

GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man: Thje upnp stuff I can't comment on as I've never used it

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CCFL_Man:

ahh, well i really don't care much to use the standard as i hate it, but my one device uses it

[19:18:47]

CCFL_Man:

i'm looking for a case with lots of hard drive bays, one cdrom bay but i can't find one

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CCFL_Man:

oh, 7 internal bays

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cheatersrealm:

gardengnome: xawtv gives me a blue screen (not a crash, just the screen is blue)

[19:21:00]

CCFL_Man:

is sata a better choice now or is ide fine for fast access?

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GreyFoxx:

I'd go for sata2

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gardengnome:

cheatersrealm: humm. then i still believe there's something wrong with your capture card, but i'm running out of ideas :/ maybe you should try google

[19:21:25]

GreyFoxx:

most new boards have several sata ports

[19:21:28]

jenn`:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend start doesn't leave a process running....

[19:21:31]

GreyFoxx:

the ones we use at work have 8

[19:21:36]

cheatersrealm:

CCFL_Man: can you afford to run two computers?

[19:21:57]

CCFL_Man:

GreyFoxx: ahh

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Artos:

lots of cases can handle one cdrom bay and 7 hard-drives. you can just use extra 5.25" slots with hard-drive rail mounts in them.

[19:22:02]

cheatersrealm:

CCFL_Man: one for storage and one for tv tuner stuff

[19:22:34]

CCFL_Man:

cheatersrealm: i'm going to have a whole server system in my house starting with a file server

[19:22:38]

GreyFoxx:

We'e got drive cages that fit 5 sata drives in the space of three 5 1/4" bays

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CCFL_Man:

sounds like a good idear

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cheatersrealm:

CCFL_Man: you might consider running a large zfs + raid-z fileserver, and then just reading and writing to that

[19:23:08]

Artos:

This is the case I'm using for my fileserver: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=976

[19:23:19]

cheatersrealm:

CCFL_Man: if you can afford it, try to get a sun box with loads of storage

[19:23:26]

CCFL_Man:

hmm..

[19:23:49]

cheatersrealm:

CCFL_Man: zfs and raid-z is great for fileservers, sadly my raid card didn't like solaris/linux, so I'm stuck with windows on that machine

[19:24:29]

CCFL_Man:

i do want atleast 1TB in one volume

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CCFL_Man:

i may have to raid 2 500gb drives together somehow, but i want to use sata 2

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cheatersrealm:

CCFL_Man: you might consider getting some redundancy

[19:25:30]

GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man: raid5 on several drives and you are good to go

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GreyFoxx:

320G sata drives are $114CDN now,so it's not that expensive

[19:26:09]

CCFL_Man:

hmm.. true

[19:26:17]

cheatersrealm:

gotta love western digital 320gb drives :) (I have 4 running in raid 5)

[19:27:05]

CCFL_Man:

cheatersrealm: more redundancy means more money, and the data isn't that mission critical to lose, it's just a library of all shows i want to have

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CCFL_Man:

you can raid 5 sata drives?

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GreyFoxx:

Certainly

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CCFL_Man:

then i'll be good to go

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cheatersrealm:

CCFL_Man: raid 5's cost is 1 drive

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cheatersrealm:

CCFL_Man: if I recall, so is raid-z

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jams:

ug where is the simple example when you need it

[19:29:50]

CCFL_Man:

but if i want to add another drive to the raid array, i'll need to reformat and repartition everything, bit i want atleast 1TB per volume

[19:30:05]

CCFL_Man:

interesting

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GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man: There is experimental support for adding to a raid setup on the fly, but nowhere near production

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House:

anyone know where I can get a 0.19 package for ubuntu?

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Ribs:

House, see the faq in the topic

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|marvin|:

so long ...

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CCFL_Man:

GreyFoxx: ahh, well, i was just entertaining the thought

[19:32:00]

CCFL_Man:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16816115022

[19:32:07]

CCFL_Man:

this is teh guy i need

[19:32:37]

Artos:

which motherboard are you going to use that has pci-x?

[19:33:07]

CCFL_Man:

oh schnit, it is pci-x

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sephen:

Does anyone have some magic settings for making transcoded files look better and be smaller? I'm currently recording from a PVR250, at 720x480. 1hr=2g. If I re-encode, the file ends up being 500M, but really crappy quality. I've used other utils in Windows before that would take a 2G MPEG2 file and convert it to 200M MPEG4 and it looks awesome. Why does the transcode on my Myth suck so much? :)

[19:34:39]

sephen:

PCIe you mean? PCI-X is server technology – 133Mhz, 64bit PCI slots. PCIe (PCI Express) is the serialized slot showing up on desktops.

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Artos:

that card is PCI-X. the server teech.

[19:34:55]

Artos:

there are some PCIe sataII raid cards though.

[19:34:55]

Artos:

http://www.cooldrives.com/sapciexracor.html

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sephen:

Guess I should have clicked on the link.. :) I'd never trust my data to a highpoint card though. If you're looking for a reliable SATA RAID card, use an LSI Logic MegaRAID or a 3Ware card.

[19:36:10]

Artos:

yeah

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CCFL_Man:

then thats what i'll look for

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Artos:

are they usually x4?

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CCFL_Man:

damn, they are expensive

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CCFL_Man:

sata is probably a better technology anyway

[19:38:31]

CCFL_Man:

than crappy ide

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cheatersrealm:

if you're gonna have more than a few drives, ide cables will start to fill up a case

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Artos:

pretty much every intel chipset has a x4 PCIe slot, but I've seen a ton of mobos that don't actually pull it out to a connector. they only pull out a x16 for graphics. so just have to be careful. :)

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CCFL_Man:

yeah

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CCFL_Man:

i need a decent file server to store all my stuffs

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CCFL_Man:

i will hope to have a fill library of keeping up appearences and are you being served episodes

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CCFL_Man:

fill = full

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Artos:

yeah, I built my server a few years ago. only 0.5TB. Starting to fill up

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cheatersrealm:

my file server's got 900gb, about 2/3 full

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sephen:

CCFL_Man: I've been running an LSI Logic MegaRAID SATA 150–6 (6 channel) PCI-X RAID card for over a year now in my fileserver. 1T of storage (most of it used by MythTV). :) We use the SCSI version of the MegaRAID controllers extensively at work, and have had really good luck with them.

[19:51:04]

CCFL_Man:

then thats what i'll use

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cheatersrealm:

how can I convert the coax cable that cable tv comes in to something else?

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cheatersrealm:

via something cheap or something expensive?

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GreyFoxx:

cheat: Use a VCR ?

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House:

in knoppmyth, when it asks which hauppauge remote i have, do i select grey remote, or pvr-150 w/ transmitter and receiver .... even though i have the grey remote that came with the pvr 150

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Anduin:

House: If you don't have the tx/rx version, I'd go with grey

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House:

aight, thanks

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snecklifter:

hi folks, having a problem accessing mythvideo and mythmusic over network

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snecklifter:

im sure there is a solution, any good pointers

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gardengnome:

snecklifter: use nfs :)

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snecklifter:

gardengnome, using cifs at the moment

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snecklifter:

u think nfs betteR?

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gardengnome:

uh, now. my point was: use some networked file system to mount your video/music directories in your frontend

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snecklifter:

ah so i am doing that of course

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snecklifter:

mythvideo rebuilds the database on remote frontend

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fysa:

which resolution should I be recording in to use mytharchive without re-encoding?

[20:38:26]

snecklifter:

before it can access files

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Anduin:

snecklifter: You need to have the same path on all machines

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snecklifter:

talked to Justin at LUGRadio about it and he mentioned path has to be tha same

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fysa:

cifs is working for me

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snecklifter:

ah, so i need a mythtv user on remote fe?

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snecklifter:

user called mythtv that is

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fysa:

ttl=100 in my cifs options helped quite a bit for letting mythvideo access samba shares better.

[20:40:38]

ender224455:

what is a good number of Decibals for a CPU fan to have if it is going to be used in a frontend? My computer is currently loud as a jet engine...

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fysa:

which CPU, ender?

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ender224455:

AMD Athlon XP 2000+

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fysa:

nforce chipset?

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ender224455:

no, I don't think so (is that the mobo?)

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fysa:

with Athlon XP and certain motherboards, there are a few hacks to enable a sort of Cool 'n Quiet that adjusts CPU frequency/voltage as necessary.

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fysa:

http://cpufreqd.sourceforge.net/

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ender224455:

ah.. I'm pretty sure my fan is part of the problem though. The original fan that came with the CPU wasn't cool enough (or I mounted it wrong) so I replaced it with a massive one (this was years ago)

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fysa:

with something like this enabled, your CPU will run at half-clock 80% of the time — allowing you to use a quieter/slower fan

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ender224455:

oh ok, thanks!

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ender224455:

I'm just looking at newegg.. would 15db be considered fairly quiet?

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fysa:

I don't know :/

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ender224455:

heh, OK

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Anduin:

ender224455: 20dB is a whisper

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House:

brand new knoppmyth install here, when it runs mythfront end, i cant watch tv because it cant connect to the backend

[20:51:47]

House:

didnt touch the ip addresses, they are still at 127.0.0.1

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sigger_:

ender224455: fwiw, I've seen 26db referred to as acceptable for media pc. I think it was on nvidia website

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sigger_:

I believe 15 db is very quiet

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House:

after looking at ps aux, mythbackend isnt even running... so i switch to root, /etc/init.d/mythbackend start

[20:55:02]

House:

err mythtv-backend start

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House:

it says its starting it, but it doesnt stay loaded

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ender224455:

ok, thanks guys

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sigger_:

House: I use KM also. never had to run anything separately

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sigger_:

you did install to HD, yes?

[21:00:20]

House:

yeah, and checking the backend log, it says one of my capture cards doesnt have a hostname...

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Anduin:

House: Look at the backend log

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Anduin:

House: You could run mythtv-setup and try to reconfigure the cards (or check/update the DB manually)

[21:02:45]

House:

i tried mythtv-setup again, and it still didnt work

[21:02:56]

House:

dunno how to edit the db manually

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Anduin:

House: 'hostname' returns something useful?

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House:

just as a mythtv user on the bash prompt?

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Anduin:

yup

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House:

nope, doesnt return anything

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Anduin:

House: I've never installed it, but was there some hostname field you didn't fill during setup?

[21:06:57]

House:

i dont think so...

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Anduin:

I'm not a Debian/Knoppmyth user so I can't give you specifics on fixing it

[21:10:11]

House:

could it be because i have a pvr-150?

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Anduin:

House: It should have nothing to do with the card type, basically during mythtv-setup when you configured your card gethostname returned nothing (or close enough to that), which is now sitting in your capturecard table.

[21:16:05]

House:

doh

[21:16:21]

House:

checking the hostname file, i somehow hit a space during installation

[21:16:28]

House:

so it was _mythtv

[21:19:01]

sphery:

Anduin: Do you have a second to teach me something so I can better fix a Myth bug? :)

[21:19:42]

Anduin:

sphery: The fstat thing? Only my laziness stopped me from helping when you asked in the other channel.

[21:20:01]

sphery:

no prob

[21:20:06]

Anduin:

(well that, and I don't fstat every day(

[21:20:07]

sphery:

Just having a weird issue...

[21:20:18]

sphery:

Given this program: http://pastebin.ca/150397

[21:20:28]

sphery:

I get this result: http://pastebin.ca/150398

[21:21:09]

sphery:

And, buf.st_blksize * buf.st_blocks gives me a different value from if I multiply buf.st_blksize and buf.st_blocks after the fact...

[21:21:16]

sphery:

How could that be?

[21:21:28]

sphery:

It's not an overflow (just a 1.2GiB file)

[21:22:20]

sphery:

I know that we shouldn't be using buf.st_blksize * buf.st_blocks (because the units of st_blocks is undefined)

[21:22:28]

sphery:

But I'm having a hard time figuring out how best to fix it.

[21:22:59]

sphery:

I'm currently estimating the file size (in an integral number of blocks) with size_t fsize = ((buf.st_size / buf.st_blksize) + 1) * buf.st_blksize;

[21:23:11]

sphery:

but it's likely to be (much) smaller than the real value.

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Anduin:

sphery: So you want st_size to always = st_bloxks * st_blksize?

[21:24:52]

sphery:

According to http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/000095399 . . . /stat.h.html

[21:24:58]

sphery:

the units of st_blocks is undefined.

[21:25:19]

sphery:

On my system the value returned by st_blocks * st_blksize is "close enough"

[21:26:12]

sphery:

On some systems, it's off by a lot--i.e. st_blocks uses the 512-byte standard, but st_blksize is 4096, meaning we start ftruncating the file as if it were 8 times its size

[21:26:32]

sphery:

(so, either nothing happens for a long while or the file size actually increases--depending on implementation).

[21:26:57]

sphery:

I just don't see why the program returns 1439727616 for buf.st_blksize * buf.st_blocks

[21:27:12]

sphery:

but multiplying them after the program gives 10029662208

[21:27:36]

sphery:

(a factor of 6.966360925871 greater than returned by the program)

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Anduin:

sphery: I don't see how this isn't just a blocks vs. bytes issue...

[21:32:56]

sphery:

The current issue is why buf.st_blksize * buf.st_blocks gives 1439727616 when buf.st_blksize = 4096 and buf.st_blocks = 2448648

[21:33:00]

sphery:

4096 * 2448648 = 10029662208

[21:35:11]

sphery:

So, basically, on my system, st_blocks is the number of 512-byte blocks. st_blksize (the preferred I/O blocksize) is 4096.

[21:35:46]

sphery:

So, multiplying st_blocks by st_blksize should give a meaningless number that's about 8x greater than the real number of blocks used

[21:35:57]

sphery:

but it's pretty close to the real number of blocks used.

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Anduin:

sphery: ah, I see

[21:37:19]

Anduin:

(I haven't looked at the delete code)

[21:38:35]

sphery:

Yeah, I have a "fix", but it only estimates the actual size on disk (by using one block more than the minimum)--meaning that the first truncate could be very large.

[21:39:05]

sphery:

Delete code is in programs/mythbackend/mainserver.cpp around line 1640

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Anduin:

Yeah, I'm there.

[21:39:52]

sphery:

I (think I) understand all the issues except why the current code works well enough on my system.

[21:40:15]

sphery:

Especially since the individual values returned on my system indicate it should be off by a factor of 8.

[21:41:01]

sphery:

Only when the program executes buf.st_blksize * buf.st_blocks, the value is "auto" corrected... :)

[21:41:24]

sphery:

And I don't see how that's happening.

[21:41:44]

sphery:

Sorry about this turning into much more than a quick question. I figured I was missing something completely obvious.

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Anduin:

sphery: It shouldn't be auto corrected, it should be overflowing

[21:43:17]

sphery:

there should be an overflow?

[21:44:41]

sphery:

d'oh

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Anduin:

Exactly

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sphery:

I checked the actual number of blocks to see if there'd be an overflow.

[21:45:09]

sphery:

I didn't check the number I was getting...

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Anduin:

Yeah the result is >10b

[21:45:17]

scott__:

anyone here seen Lost? is it worth watching?

[21:46:02]

sphery:

Thanks.

[21:46:11]

sphery:

I was missing something completely obvious.

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: I'm looking now. if I do it's never had any effect for me before since I watched this same DVD this morning before the update :)

[21:46:17]

sphery:

(Checking the wrong value...)

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Anduin:

sphery: better than me, I always forget what st_blocksize actually means

[21:47:17]

sphery:

I can't believe it. I thought I had checked everything. But I checked the wrong thing, instead.

[21:47:22]

sphery:

Thanks for the sanity check.

[21:47:33]

sphery:

I'll get a patch in place.

[21:47:46]

sphery:

Funny, though, that the overflow results in a nearly correct number.

[21:47:46]

sphery:

:)

[21:47:56]

sphery:

(Well, on some systems. :)

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sphery:

scott__: worthwhile in my opinion

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Anduin:

sphery: I was going to say that your patch doesn't really fix it, but it isn't you.

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sphery:

Seems someone else realizes the issue

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sphery:

Is Bolek in here?

[22:16:06]

sphery:

Anduin: That should fix the problem.

[22:16:28]

sphery:

(although I was doing one more thing to make a slightly more robust deletion)

[22:17:21]

Anduin:

sphery: size_t still won't be large enough, off_t is because we compile with the offset bits = 64 setting

[22:19:35]

sphery:

h.

[22:19:37]

sphery:

Oh.

[22:19:39]

sphery:

Got it.

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sphery:

size_t is large enough for my files, though. :)

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scottder:

I am trying to mod the minimalist theme a bit to work better with widescreen

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scottder:

I want to make the selection area wider...

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Anduin:

and?

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scottder:

thats it

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scottder:

and make the visualsation area more square (since I only use AlbumArt)

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scottder:

:)

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sigger_:

wow the music selection program really chews up CPU with a large music collection

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sigger_:

(mythmusic that is, of course)

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GreyFoxx:

Hahaha Sweet. I've got my mythbox at work sending a stream to my home box whcih is recording it with the new iptv recording atthe same time as recording a local multicast stream

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fysa:

What kbps is the stream from work?

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fysa:

It's transcoding in real-time?

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GreyFoxx:

Nope, no transcoding

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GreyFoxx:

I have it just repacking the ,mpeg2ps as a ts and sending it

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GreyFoxx:

I get 10mbit to my office regularly

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fysa:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

this is currently running at 2mbit

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fysa:

2mbit is pretty reasonable.

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GreyFoxx:

Though I could lower the bitrate if required

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GreyFoxx:

and I'd do transcoding if it wasn't an mpeg2 source

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fysa:

'new iptv' — does that mean like, today-svn?

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GreyFoxx:

new in the last couple months.

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GreyFoxx:

and I just started using anew patch from the mailing list which allows per channel URLS

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GreyFoxx:

show I have 997 watching for multicast 224.0.0.199:1234, 998 for directed unicast to port 4443, and 999 as directed unicast to port 4444

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GreyFoxx:

all 3 are recording right now.

[22:47:13]

GreyFoxx:

multicasting a dvd, and recording 2 unicast streams

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fysa:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IPTV – will this get me what I need?

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GreyFoxx:

I didn't think there was anything about it on the wiki

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GreyFoxx:

I figured I'd end up writing something

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fysa:

please let me know when you do.. ;)

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fysa:

I'd love to setup a backend in Hong Kong at my wife's parents house and add that as a source here. ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Now, if I could makethe backend support this then I could just treat my office tuner as another slave backend

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GreyFoxx:

by that I mean support outputting it

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GreyFoxx:

using vlc to generatethe stream right now

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fysa:

ah

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fysa:

if that were the case, you'd just use one stream URL to capture and the frontend would send channel-change commands to the back-end. right?

[22:50:16]

fysa:

or one stream URL per capture-card, anyway?

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GreyFoxx:

The in svn code is one URL per defined capture card

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GreyFoxx:

but I'm using a patch that gives per channel urls

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: silly question... why don't you use the normal mythtv streaming stuff between your work and home backends?

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GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: Cause I'm playing with the IPTV stuff

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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fysa:

that would make it cifs/nfs based

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fysa:

right?

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GreyFoxx:

already found a few bugs, but overall it's pretty cool

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GreyFoxx:

fysa: Huh ?

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fysa:

you could use multiple backends in different locations if you used cifs/nfs/samba to give them access to the same recording directory?

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fysa:

(and not use iptv)

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: ah, right. :)

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GreyFoxx:

fysa: Too often that stuffis filtered by ISPs

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fysa:

yeah, exactly. which is why iptv is exciting to me.

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fysa:

samba/cifs over the internet is slightly painful.

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GreyFoxx:

and I'd rather use IPTV since it's intended to handle dissapearing udp packets on the way

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fysa:

how did you figure it out? just by looking through the code? .. or writing the code? ;)

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GreyFoxx:

reading the code

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GreyFoxx:

reading the code and trial and error

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GreyFoxx:

Heck I could use vlc to stream anything to it now. A online webcast, dvd, some file,whatever

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GreyFoxx:

Actually I lied, it's moving at 3.6mbits

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fysa:

will it support VP62/NSV? ;)

[23:02:40]

GreyFoxx:

right now it will only allow mpeg1/2 and h264

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GreyFoxx:

so I'd use vlc to transcode on the fly, but that's not something I gotta worry about :)

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** scottder is looking forward to 0.20 release **

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greg:

how do i uninstall mythtv?

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gardengnome:

greg: how did you install it?

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greg:

sudo apt-get install mythtv

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scottder:

sudo sudo apt-get remove mythtv

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scottder:

opps only one sudo

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scottder:

:)

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House:

when im watching tv, what button do i hit to go directly to the guide?

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greg:

ugh

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greg:

error

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House:

instead of going through the menu

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gardengnome:

House: see keys.txt, there's also a bunch of other keys listed

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House:

but the guide one isnt listed...

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House:

it says hit m

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House:

and m brings up the menu

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GreyFoxx:

if you are watching livetv the first option is the program guide

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GreyFoxx:

if you are watching a recording I don't think it's listed

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greg:

when i try to uninstall mythtv ot mysql i get an error about mythtv database

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greg:

how do i fix that?

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House:

theres a key that does it... i had it before i lost my lircrc file

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GreyFoxx:

greg: by being more specific about the error

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scottder:

greg whatst the error message

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greg:

dpkg: error processing mythtv-database (--configure):

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GreyFoxx:

sounds like another package maybe ?

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GreyFoxx:

maybe your distro usses a seperate package for setting up the initial database ?

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: it does. i suppose there was a problem when installing mythtv-database.

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greg:

yup

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greg:

thats why i wanna uninstall

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Beirdo:

anyone have an IBM Thinkpad A30p they don't want anymore?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

mine's busticated

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GreyFoxx:

packages suck

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gardengnome:

greg: wanna fix it?

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greg:

i have tried

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GreyFoxx:

I think he's offering to help you

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gardengnome:

heh

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gardengnome:

right :)

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greg:

ok

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fysa:

I've got a Thinkpad T20 that's missing a key but has 5 batteries ;)

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greg:

srry im a freshman

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Beirdo:

well, it's the system board that will need fixing/replacing

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greg:

so how do i fix it?

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gardengnome:

greg: open a terminal, type "mysqladmin -u root password YOURNEWPASS". that will set a password for your *mysql* root account. then you enter "dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database" where you put in your new password.

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Zider:

press the "fix" button ;)

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gardengnome:

i really need to write this down somewhere.

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GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: The wiki! :)

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gardengnome:

this has got to be the 50th time i'm explaining it :)

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: yeh ;)

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gardengnome:

greg: that should get ya started... you might wanna consider upgrading to 0.19, see the channel faq... the password for the db user "mythtv" can be found in "/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt".

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gardengnome:

anyways, i'm off to bed.

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sceo:

Kind of an odd question. Ever hear of Myth not releasing your CD? I press the button on my drive and it won't come out. It reads it fine (I just imported it). If I reboot and eject it during POST, it's fine--so it seems like something in Myth. I'm using R5C7. Anyone else every seen anything like this?

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Anduin:

sceo: 0.19 bug

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Anduin:

probably

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Zider:

or some automounter

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Anduin:

could easily be that

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greg:

mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed

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greg:

error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'

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Beirdo:

fysa: I'm typing on a T22 right now :)

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jimg:

Anduin, I was able to isolate the zap2it issue further if your around

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Anduin:

greg: still? really?

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greg:

yes

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Anduin:

jimg: It wasn't the firewall?

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greg:

i have problem w/ mysql

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greg:

cant connect to it

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jimg:

It was the firewall with Fedora Core 5, I tested on my Unbuntu mythtv box at my parents and it works, they also have the RV016 firewall

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jimg:

I tested on a non myhtv fedora core 5, and it fails

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Beirdo:

OK, time to power off the T22 to put memory from the A30p into it

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fysa:

let me know if you ever need extra batteries ;) (if my T20 batteries work in it, that is)

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gardengnome:

greg: that likely means you've already set a root password. ok, i'm really gone now :)

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jimg:

Anduin, I opened a Buzilla with Fedora # 204199

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Beirdo:

heh, cool, thanks

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greg:

sigh

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Beirdo:

you're not THAT far away...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

yer in FL, I'm in PR :)

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Beirdo:

anyways, power off time, BRB

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greg:

nvr had as much trouble as this

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fysa:

haha. take it easy

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greg:

at http://localhost/ its apache should it be mysql?

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asd26:

does any remote work on micorsoft media center?

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greg:

and why is it when i install ANYTHING i get error about msql database

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Anduin:

jimg: It is probably tcp_moderate_rcvbuf/tcp_default_win_scale, did you look at that?

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jimg:

I was just looking at that

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jimg:

was comparing the differences between the 2 tcp settings

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jimg:

from ubuntu to fedora

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asd26:

does one need microsoft's remote to use media center?

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greg:

im gonna reinstall ubuntu

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greg:

maybe thatll fix it

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** Beirdo now remembers that the T22 *requires* PC100 RAM, won't work with PC133 **

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asd26:

anyone tried media center

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House:

anyone remember the button to go straight to the guide without going thru the menu?

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Anduin:

House: the jump key? or 's'? (look in keys.txt for keys)

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