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Wednesday, August 23rd, 2006, 00:05 UTC

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gremgrem:

I keep getting an error in the job queue on my transcode jobs, but grepping through my mythbackend log doesn't reveal any problems. Anyone offer a bit of help?

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mirak:

mythtv says my video device is busy, so I shoud stop a recording and such, but I am not doing anything

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media_:

Are the default keymap entries for a new client taken out of the frontend code, or are they retrieved from the database?

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briand:

hi, all.

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xris:

mirak: reboot?

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mirak:

xris: no I have this problem since some time

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mirak:

xris: when I run the backend as root I have video

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xris:

then you need to fix the permissions on the video device.

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mirak:

mythtv is in the video and audio group so should have acces to the device

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xris:

or just run as root like most of us do, so you can get realtime priority

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mirak:

ah

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mirak:

but here i record a programm and it doesn't remember having saved it

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mirak:

xris: any idea ?

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media_:

.. I have a client that has bad hardware so I usually have to reflash it every couple of weeks. I'm getting tired of resetting the key bindings. I need to know if the default key bindings are set in the code for the frontend, or backend, or where ever. I've had no luck in finding where Key_* is actually defaulted in the code

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xris:

mirak: sorry, no clue. but once you get it up and running with livetv, it should work fine with recordings.

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xris:

media_: grep?

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mirak:

xris: it doesn't

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mirak:

xris: even as root there is nothing scheduled

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media_:

xris: .. I'm not that new to programming.. grep didn't find anything that I was expecting, keybindings (the name of the db table) didn't even return something useful

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media_:

xris: am I to be looking through mythui, the frontend, db?

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mirak:

help

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mirak:

there is not even an error message !

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mirak:

I suspect I have only read acces on mysql

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mirak:

why do you think of that ?

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mirak:

what

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kormoc:

media_, current keybindings are stored in the DB iirc

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kormoc:

media_, mythconverg.keybindings to be exact

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xris:

kormoc: yes, but not the defaults

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xris:

media_: grep the code.

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xris:

mirak: did you schedule anything to record?

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kormoc:

the thing is, honestly, he shouldn't need to reset them if he reflashes the box and gives it the same hostname

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mirak:

xris: if I do that they are not saved

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evil_andy:

ok, I can't figure sound out at all...

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mirak:

so if I look in upcoming, there is nothing

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kormoc:

evil_andy, welcome to linux

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kormoc:

mirak, you might have the grants wrong ?

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evil_andy:

kormoc, gee, thanks, I meant in terms of mythtv, I've been in the world of linux for quite a while thank you very much

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mirak:

kormoc: I am wondering that but I don't know how to change that

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mirak:

I don't know if it's on table or tablespace

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media_:

xris: kormx: the best I can find is MythMainWindow::MythMainWindow() in libs/mythui/mainwindow which calls registerkey on several keys, however, it appears to be a subset. So my question is, where is the absolute code or db section that does set the defaults? If this is the location, am I right in seeing that not all globals are set? Just this small subset of 20 bindings is it?

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evil_andy:

mythtv won't take input from my sound card, I have audio coming from line out on the tuner to line in on the sound card, as well as internal wiring going from audio out on the tuner to aux in on the sound card, I used alsamixer to select aux OR line in for capture, but nothing is picking up sound.

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media_:

xris: I don't see anything referencing volume adjustments, PIP, commercial skipping, and about 30 other bindings that also show up in the db for each client

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xris:

media_: grep, or ask in the dev channel

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mirak:

kormoc: any idea how to fix that ?

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kormoc:

mirak, re-do the grants? delete the old ones from and start fresh?

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xris:

mirak: explain again what you're trying to do and what's not working

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xris:

n/m, kormoc explained

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mirak:

xris: first I can't run video on mythtv user, so as a service I guess and not have the message saying the video card is busy

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mirak:

second, if I run as root the backend, I have no problem having video, but I can't save the records I scheduled

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mirak:

they are simply not saved after I entered and saved them

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kormoc:

the backend does require root usually, unless you want to muck about with the /dev pr emissions

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evil_andy:

mirak, what distro are you using?

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mirak:

DBHostName=localhost

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mirak:

DBUserName=mythtv

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mirak:

DBName=mythconverg

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mirak:

DBPassword=mythtv

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mirak:

Ubuntu

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mirak:

this is fine

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mirak:

I can log to mysql as mythtv password mythtv

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evil_andy:

hmm I am using gentoo for it, which just requires you to add the mythtv user to the video and audio groups :(

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xris:

mirak: and insert records?

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mirak:

xris: no !

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xris:

mirak: then fix your grants

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mirak:

xris: you mean through mysql command line ?

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xris:

yes

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mirak:

I didn't tried

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mirak:

xris: how to check the rights ?

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xris:

CREATE TABLE tmp ( i int ); INSERT INTO tmp (i) VALUES (1); DROP TABLE tmp;

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xris:

mirak: or... just wipe the whole database and start over from scratch again

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mirak:

xris: what is the procedure ?

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GreyFoxx:

?*K

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Anduin:

mirak: You can also check the mysql user table.

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mirak:

Anduin: is there some doc about the tables ?

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mirak:

I do'nt know how to list the table availabe

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mirak:

s

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briand:

show tables;

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xris:

mirak: to start from scratch?

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Anduin:

mirak: download a good MySQL GUI, try it.

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mirak:

is it normal that mythtv have a uid of 116 ?

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xris:

mirak: depends on your distro

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xris:

mythtv (the program) doesn't actually expect/use a mythtv user

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Z_Morek:

evil_andy: it doesn't have just single "staff" group or something?

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mirak:

I have set the rights xris

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mirak:

delete insert update on mythtv

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mirak:

I can view video now

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mirak:

but it still doesn't save recordings

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evil_andy:

Z_Morek, on gentoo, there are a bunch of different groups, and no, there isn't a 'staff' group, even adding to root group doesn't fix it :P

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xris:

mirak: mythtv is the username, not the database name

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mirak:

xris: what do you say ?

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xris:

GRANT ALL on mythconverg.* TO mythtv@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'mythtv';

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xris:

run that ^^^^

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evil_andy:

ok, Z_Morek, do you know what device mythtv reads it's audio input from? (and where to set that?)

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john1:

evil_andy, it's set in mythsetup, where you configure the cards

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mirak:

xris: ok I see them inside the database, the records, but not inside mythtv that's weirds

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john1:

or.. so I believe

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kormoc:

evil_andy, john1 is correct, under the capture card settings, in mythtv-setup

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xris:

mirak: restart the backend, wait 30 seconds, restart the frontend

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evil_andy:

thanks

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xris:

(or check mythweb)

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mirak:

I am not sure it's installed

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moxjake:

I am running mythfilldatabase in a cron job. After this runs, the backend "forgets" all of the scheduled recordings and does not record anything. Also, I cannot tell it to record anything. If I restart the backend the problem is solved. Any ideas?

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flindet_:

everytime that I record a show, it says it can't find the recording. Any ideas?

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flindet_:

Old recordings play just fine

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flindet_:

I've checked mythtv-setup, and it is recording to /video

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flindet_:

touching a file to /video as mythtv works fine

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moxjake:

Did this start happening after an upgrade?

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kormoc:

moxjake, are you in the us?

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moxjake:

kormoc, Yes

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kormoc:

moxjake, and you are running 0.19?

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moxjake:

mythtv version .19, ubuntu

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moxjake:

mysql5

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flindet_:

moxjake: I had a series of problems with lock-ups. I havne't used my myth in 2 months. I've now upgraded to fedora 5 (from 4).

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kormoc:

moxjake, then don't run it via cron. Zap2it, your listing provider can tell the backend when to run it next, so they don't get hammered so hard.

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moxjake:

kormoc: Really? I didn't know that, this cron thing set itself up automagically

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moxjake:

I will remove the cron job and see if the problem goes away

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kormoc:

g'luck

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moxjake:

flindet_: After you upgraded to FC5, did you reinstall your drivers and such...also does livetv work still?

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flindet_:

livetv does not work

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flindet_:

I got new ivtv drivers as part of the upgrade

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flindet_:

if I try livetv, it immediately exits to the screen

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moxjake:

Can you watch video in mplayer?

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moxjake:

I had a similar problem when I installed mine

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flindet_:

that is a lower priority for me, but obviously if it's related I'm interested

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moxjake:

yes, its related

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flindet_:

moxjake: not sure. let me try. I'll be back

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moxjake:

ok

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flindet_:

I can watch old recordings, though

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moxjake:

yeah, thats because they are already recorded and dont use your capture card

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moxjake:

it really sounds like your capture card drivers are mucked up

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mirak:

kormoc: I have granted all rights

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mirak:

don't know why it doesn't work

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flindet_:

Okay, I did a capture on each of the 3 tuners and played them back with mplayer. The screen was black, but I could hear the audio fine

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moxjake:

ok, did you put tuner0–86,86, or whatever its supposed to say in your hotplug file?

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flindet_:

I know nothing of that

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kormoc:

I don't think that's hotplug's job, that would be the modules.conf job

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moxjake:

alright, thats probably your problem, lemme see if I can rustle up exactly what its supposed to say

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moxjake:

^^ yep modules.conf was what I meant, thanks kormoc

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flindet_:

sweet. thanks

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Anduin:

flindet_: Depending on which ivtv version you upgraded from/to it may just be the Tuner 0 Tuner 1 problem.

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flindet_:

i have alias-char-major-81 ivtv in my /etc/modprobe.conf

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flindet_:

tuner 0 tuner 1?

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moxjake:

do you hav ea pvr500?

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flindet_:

i have a pvr-350 and 2 pvr-250s

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Anduin:

flindet_: Yeah, tuner names changed for a good number of cards to be consistent.

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flindet_:

oh

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flindet_:

okay, maybe I just need to find the docs somewhere or something

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moxjake:

ok, you need something like

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flindet_:

bummer

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moxjake:

alias-char-major-81 videodev

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moxjake:

then alias-char-major-81–0 ivtv

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moxjake:

those two lines should get tuner 0 working

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moxjake:

then you just need ones for tuner 1 and 2

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flindet_:

in /etc/modprobe.conf I have "alias char-major-81 ivtv" and "alias char-major-81–0 ivtv"

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mirak:

Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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mirak:

kormoc: I got that error when starting the daemon

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kormoc:

mirak, not uncommon, and usually safe to ignore

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mirak:

ah

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flindet_:

moxjake: what how do I increment it for tuner 2?

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moxjake:

flindet_: Okay, thats probably okay, although the first one might be videodev rather than ivtv

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moxjake:

alias char-major-81–1 ivtv

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moxjake:

I know theres something funny about the pvr350 cards, but I"m not sure what it is

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kormoc:

the 350 is odd with the video out stuff, but outside of that, it's exactly the same as the 250

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Anduin:

Yeah, that has nothing to do with tuner devices.

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moxjake:

Okay, I wasn't sure what was different about them

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moxjake:

I know at wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php there is a guide for setting up mythtv on Fedora Core

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moxjake:

IIRC, it says which stuff gets broken between FC4 and 5

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flindet_:

moxjake: You're an F'n hero

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flindet_:

the videodev fixed it

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flindet_:

I'm not sure that this change is going to be permanent, though

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flindet_:

I'll play with it and can ask for help in #fedora I guess

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flindet_:

thanks!

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Anduin:

flindet_: try running ivtvctl -n the compare the tuner name to what is in the DB (cardinput table, also the other one but that is for default input)

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briand:

if it would help.. I'm running FC3 with a PVR350 and a PVR500

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moxjake:

well thats good

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briand:

I would be happy to show you my modules.conf file

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flindet_:

I just had to put the first one in and it seemed to work

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moxjake:

flindet_: I think you just found a better hero

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flindet_:

assuming that the devices aren't all pointing to the same tuner... hmm

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flindet_:

I did cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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flindet_:

then /dev/video1 and so on

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flindet_:

and all three came back okay, though they are on the same channel

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evil_andy:

john1, thanks, I got it put in there, I'm using alsa, so I did ALSA:default, that should work right?

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briand:

flindet_: you can use ivtvctl to specify a device and change the channel on two of them

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scales:

quick question guys and girls

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scales:

if there are any

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kormoc:

nope, no guys nor girls here

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kormoc:

just all bots

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scales:

if i am changing the rights of a folder and want to make all the subsequent files change too, where do i add -R

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scales:

funny kormoc

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scales:

but if you are a bot, perhaps you dont know what funny is

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scales:

since you dont laugh

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mirak:

kormoc: I droped the database

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kormoc:

yeah, but bots are good for giving you an answer right out of the man page

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scales:

nm

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mirak:

what must I do to rebuild

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mirak:

?

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kormoc:

mirak, well, you need to remove all the grants too

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scales:

i think i just figured out my question

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Aid`:

i hate my life i can get my DVB card to work

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Aid`:

does mythtv work on windows?

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scales:

yep

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Anduin:

Aid`: No.

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kormoc:

Aid`, no

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scales:

Aid: no

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scales:

hah

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scales:

all at once

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scales:

i wish it did

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briand:

flindet_: http://pastebin.ca/145519

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Aid`:

im thinking of switching to windows... i can't get this card to work and im getting mad

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Anduin:

Aid`: MCE and BeyondTV are nice.

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briand:

if you're already getting mad, what's the point in bringing Windows into it??

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Aid`:

briand: i can't get my card to work on linux... it has an install CD for windows right in the box?

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Agrajag-:

how'd that windows soc project go?

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Aid`:

Anduin: are they both free?

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Anduin:

Aid`: Neither

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evil_andy:

can I actually tell the backend to use ALSA:default for input?

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briand:

nor are either user-modifiable, I should guess.

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kormoc:

Agrajag-, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/windows-port

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kormoc:

evil_andy, no

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kormoc:

evil_andy, the backend only has alsa support

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Aid`:

well i love mythtv and all but there's just no support for my DVB-S card even though mythtv wiki says it works w/linux

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evil_andy:

ok, but alsa doesn't necessarily create links for /dev/dsp

[01:41:48]

evil_andy:

so what should I put there?

[01:42:05]

evil_andy:

or did you mean the backend only has OSS support?

[01:42:19]

antiPosix:

Does "transcoding" mean encoding a NuppelVideo/PCM to a MPEG4/MP3 ?

[01:42:20]

kormoc:

evil_andy, yes, the backend only speaks oss, so it needs oss support

[01:42:35]

evil_andy:

aHA! now we're getting somewhere :) ok, time to recompile the kernel, fun fun

[01:42:39]

evil_andy:

thanks

[01:42:41]

kormoc:

evil_andy, you can load the alsa-oss emulation module and get a oss device from your alsa driver too

[01:42:44]

evil_andy:

ya

[01:42:52]

evil_andy:

that's what I'm gonna do, just recompile the module and load it

[01:42:56]

briand:

Aid`: well, the europeans use DVB-S a LOT more than here in the US... you might try hanging out here during hours they'd be awake/online, perhaps one of them can give you a hand

[01:43:18]

antiPosix:

I gave the finger to ALSA and stuck with my wonderfully working OSS

[01:43:30]

mirak:

honestly mythtv really suck for users

[01:43:38]

evil_andy:

nah

[01:43:42]

briand:

really?

[01:43:46]

scales:

it just takes a little time

[01:43:51]

mirak:

that's a hell to configure

[01:43:53]

briand:

i think my cat has figured out how to run my mythtv setup...

[01:44:03]

scales:

took me, a newb to linux, about 4–5 installs to finally understand it

[01:44:06]

evil_andy:

once you know all the stuff (i.e. that it only supports OSS on the client side, that it prefers IP addresses to names, etc) it's not too bad

[01:44:09]

scales:

once you do it once

[01:44:11]

scales:

it isnt bad

[01:44:16]

mirak:

only geeks can setup that

[01:44:21]

mirak:

I mean not geeks

[01:44:21]

antiPosix:

ALSA blows. I'll wait till Torvalds annouces V3.0

[01:44:28]

mirak:

but people who are good with computer

[01:44:28]

kormoc:

mirak, it is a linux program

[01:44:44]

antiPosix:

the marriage between kernel and driver(aka driver) scares me

[01:44:52]

briand:

yeah, and keeping a linux system running requires no less...

[01:44:58]

antiPosix:

module(aka driver)

[01:45:04]

briand:

-- or, at least a willingness to learn.

[01:45:18]

mirak:

kormoc: it only depends of how they want it to be

[01:45:35]

kormoc:

antiPosix, honestly this isn't the place to keep going on about that, and if you really have good solid reasons for saying that, the linux kernel mailing list is much better of a place to air out your grievances

[01:45:39]

antiPosix:

briand: learn ALSA perfectly so in 9 months you can unlearn it because of the better working sound system?

[01:45:54]

flindet_:

well, I can capture manually fine. But when I try to record a show through myth and play it back, myth tells me it can't find the file

[01:45:57]

kormoc:

mirak, it's made to work for the programmers, so they're happy

[01:46:13]

flindet_:

I tried logging into mysql as "mythtv" and it let me log in, but when I try to use the "mythtv" database, it says access denied!

[01:46:15]

antiPosix:

kormoc: I appologize

[01:46:32]

mirak:

kormoc: this sucks, and linux sucks for that

[01:46:36]

Agrajag-:

kormoc: hmm so looking at that log looks like it didn't get very far

[01:46:40]

mirak:

though I use it, but "I know"

[01:46:42]

mirak:

:)

[01:47:02]

scales:

humm

[01:47:03]

kormoc:

flindet_, you don't have the user created or setup right, might want to rerun the mc.sql import

[01:47:14]

kormoc:

Agrajag-, aye, didn't seem to, but then, I haven't tried it myself

[01:47:17]

scales:

my zap2 thing is being goofy

[01:47:18]

antiPosix:

so anyone care to enlighten me about transcoding?

[01:47:38]

antiPosix:

is it encoding from NUV to MPEG4

[01:47:57]

Sebulba02:

it's like coding, but in a transient state :)

[01:48:16]

kormoc:

antiPosix, it can, but it will still be in a nuv container

[01:48:32]

GreyFoxx:

nuv is not a codec,it's a container like avi.

[01:48:40]

kormoc:

antiPosix, nuv is a container format, it holds a video format (like rtjpeg or mpeg4)

[01:48:45]

antiPosix:

kormoc: so significantly smaller files? correct?

[01:48:57]

kormoc:

antiPosix, depends on your starting material, but it can, yes

[01:48:58]

antiPosix:

I thought nuv was NuppelVideo

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briand:

it can also do "lossless" transcoding (really just an mpeg2->mpeg2 copy, omitting portions called out in the 'edit' table in the database)

[01:49:04]

defaultro:

hi kormoc

[01:49:16]

defaultro:

that's cool to learn that nuv is a container

[01:49:24]

kormoc:

antiPosix, nupple video happens to be the main user of the nuv container, but it'd not the only one.

[01:49:32]

flindet_:

Nevermind. My database works fine.

[01:49:40]

antiPosix:

I have a cheapo tuner(which I love) 320x280. I am getting about 1.5GB per half hour. will transcoding best that?

[01:49:41]

flindet_:

It's just that when I record something, it says it can't find the file. Hmmm

[01:49:48]

evil_andy:

well, sofar, except for nothing in the gentoo docs saying that I needed OSS emulation, this has been a pretty painless install of mythtv... that, and the fact that I can't change channels in liveTv without the remote frontend crapping out

[01:49:54]

kormoc:

mornin defaultro

[01:49:59]

defaultro:

:D

[01:50:09]

defaultro:

I missed my mythtv

[01:50:09]

kormoc:

flindet_, check the backend logs?

[01:50:23]

defaultro:

it's been off for almost 25 days now

[01:50:33]

antiPosix:

is transcoding "niced"?

[01:50:36]

kormoc:

antiPosix, it can, depending on your settings.

[01:50:47]

antiPosix:

how do I know if a broadcast has been transcoded?

[01:51:03]

antiPosix:

its currently set to auto

[01:51:06]

kormoc:

there's a icon in the view recordings' page

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kormoc:

defaultro, sad

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antiPosix:

kormoc: that was my next question

[01:51:39]

antiPosix:

kormoc: I have an icon that looks like toilet paper, what is that?

[01:51:54]

kormoc:

I think that's the cutlist?

[01:51:59]

** kormoc peers around for someone that's more sure **

[01:52:26]

** evil_andy named his mythbox "tivo" **

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flindet_:

let me see if I can find where the logs live

[01:52:45]

** kormoc watches evil_andy get sued faster then a buttered hog can run. **

[01:52:45]

evil_andy:

I just felt it wouldn't be right unless I infringed on someones trademark in the process :)

[01:52:52]

kormoc:

flindet_, /var/logs/something

[01:52:56]

evil_andy:

haha

[01:53:06]

antiPosix:

what icon represents an already transcoded recording

[01:53:18]

antiPosix:

using the default theme in 0.19

[01:53:26]

kormoc:

antiPosix, might want to check the documentation, it might say somewhere?

[01:54:19]

evil_andy:

antiPosix, check your frontend logs, what is the theme it's using? G.A.N.T was my default...

[01:54:22]

antiPosix:

what is the book icon?

[01:54:31]

antiPosix:

yes, G.A.N.T.

[01:54:39]

evil_andy:

ahh, ok

[01:55:14]

evil_andy:

wellllll, you could cross reference the theme.xml file with the icons :-D

[01:55:23]

flindet_:

kormoc: In the logs I see: ChannelBase: Could not find input: Tuner 0 on card when setting channel 52

[01:55:43]

kormoc:

flindet_, well, that points to your card's drivers not being setup right

[01:55:50]

flindet_:

man alive

[01:56:03]

flindet_:

that's weird though because a cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg works fine

[01:56:16]

kormoc:

perhaps a setting is screwed up in myth?

[01:56:27]

Anduin:

flindet_: Or it is exactly what I said many lines ago.

[01:56:27]

flindet_:

okay. I'll try to reset my tuners. thanks

[01:56:48]

Anduin:

flindet_: That ivtvctl -n would tell you in under a second.

[01:56:53]

flindet_:

Anduin: You mentioned the tuner 0 tuner 1 thing but I didn't understand and haven't found it in google yet

[01:57:35]

Anduin:

flindet_: You now see Tuner 0, run ivtvctl -n and see if you actually have Tuner 1, this is the essence of the Tuner 0 Tuner 1 issue.

[01:58:07]

flindet_:

Anduin: Yeah, it says "Input 0 Name Tuner 1"

[01:58:15]

flindet_:

so, do I just need to set that in mythtv-setup or something?

[01:58:33]

antiPosix:

where is the theme.xml file

[01:58:37]

flindet_:

Thanks, Anduin. I'm sorry to be hard-headed here.

[01:58:40]

antiPosix:

it not in ~/mythtv

[01:58:47]

antiPosix:

or in /usr/local/etc

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Anduin:

flindet_: Yes, with a warning that almost everyone who goes to do that somehow ends up with duplicate entries in cardinput.

[01:59:13]

Anduin:

flindet_: (So when it doesn't work, don't give up, check your DB)

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antiPosix:

I meant ~/.mythtv

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flindet_:

Anduin: Okay. Man, sounds nasty. Maybe I should just change it in mysql directly?

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Anduin:

flindet_: I normally give that out as an answer but I hate walking people through SQL, so yeah, if you can that is the easiest (shut down the backend first)

[02:00:44]

Anduin:

flindet_: Should also change the default input over in capturecard

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evil_andy:

ok, well I have oss emulation running, /dev/dsp is linked to /dev/sound/dsp

[02:02:51]

evil_andy:

but still no sound from the remote frontend...

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evil_andy:

OH WOW!

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evil_andy:

changing channels now works!!

[02:03:43]

evil_andy:

but still no sound :(

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evil_andy:

Ooo, I CAN hear sound, it's just... really really REALLY low...

[02:05:36]

antiPosix:

the very first icon on G.A.N.T. in the Library, looks like a red letter 'Q' with a line going thru it. What does this indicate?

[02:05:46]

donk3y:

Hello All, I am going to build a myth box, I was wondering what is the best tuner card I can purchase for the lowest price?

[02:06:05]

donk3y:

From someones Exp.

[02:06:40]

flindet_:

man, it's like a needle in a haystack trying to find these tuners in the database! :-(

[02:07:05]

flindet_:

Anduin: I know the basics of SQL. I just have to find what table this is in.

[02:07:07]

Anduin:

flindet_: cardinput and capturecard

[02:07:14]

evil_andy:

hmm

[02:07:15]

antiPosix:

donk3y: : I have a $40 ATI TV Wonder (VE) 320x280 (bttv) which I am very happy with. I am not a quality snob :)

[02:07:19]

evil_andy:

maybe the soundcard is shot

[02:07:31]

evil_andy:

antiPosix, heh, I have the $10 version of your card :P

[02:07:42]

antiPosix:

evil_andy: nice!

[02:07:51]

evil_andy:

and it works pretty well

[02:07:56]

evil_andy:

using it right now as we speak

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donk3y:

antiPosix: I am going for a little bit of quality, I want to record all the New York Rangers games in HD.

[02:08:11]

antiPosix:

its actual 540x280( but I dont have widescreen input)

[02:08:26]

evil_andy:

however... SOUND! oh well, gonna swap out the sound card see if that fixes it...

[02:08:39]

antiPosix:

donk3y: just fork over the case and get a Hauppauge 250

[02:08:44]

antiPosix:

I mean 150

[02:08:53]

evil_andy:

hmm

[02:08:56]

antiPosix:

not case, cash

[02:09:03]

evil_andy:

how about an SB AudioPCI

[02:09:23]

donk3y:

I actually work down the block from Hauppauge haha

[02:09:28]

antiPosix:

I use Ensoniq AudioPCI sounds adapter

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flindet_:

Anduin: I did select videodevice, defaultinput from capturecard and they all showed "Tuner 1"

[02:10:15]

antiPosix:

evil_andy: you're have issues with audio?

[02:10:28]

flindet_:

donk3y?

[02:10:33]

evil_andy:

antiPosix, yep

[02:10:44]

evil_andy:

I can hear it, but only barely...

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antiPosix:

evil_andy: you dont happen to be using Fedora 3 to Fedora 5?

[02:10:53]

evil_andy:

hell no :P

[02:10:55]

evil_andy:

gentoo

[02:11:07]

donk3y:

flindet?

[02:11:12]

antiPosix:

I was having unsolvable audio issues with FC5

[02:11:18]

Anduin:

flindet_: cardinput

[02:11:25]

mirak:

mythtv doesnt work and doesnt save settings

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antiPosix:

since you are a gentoo user I wont tell you what distro I went with

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evil_andy:

bbl

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donk3y:

anti: was looking to spend around 50–60 dollars, is there anything in that pricerange that can do HDTV well?

[02:13:21]

flindet_:

Anduin: Yeah, it was cardinput that was hosed.

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scales:

guys, tips on how to start lirc?

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flindet_:

Anduin: It works now. You are my personal hero of the week. You rock! THANK YOU

[02:13:43]

scales:

i have done this multiple times before

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scales:

but now i forget

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scales:

i want to test it

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scales:

with irw

[02:14:06]

scales:

but i need to have lirc started

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scales:

something like /usr/sbin/lircd service start ?

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evilDagmar:

Lies are bad for karma

[02:18:09]

evilDagmar:

...and they make your wee wee shrivel.

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Anduin:

scales: service lircd start (probably)

[02:19:46]

scales:

i get bash service command not found

[02:20:01]

scales:

humm

[02:20:04]

scales:

i have done this before

[02:20:08]

scales:

like 3 times

[02:20:12]

scales:

and i never remember

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scales:

i put my lircd.conf file in etc

[02:20:44]

scales:

.lircrc in /home/mythtv/.mythtv

[02:20:47]

scales:

sorry

[02:20:58]

scales:

just lircrc in /home/mythtv/.mythtv

[02:21:13]

scales:

i put a .lircrc in my /home/mythtv

[02:21:20]

scales:

that is all right?

[02:21:56]

Anduin:

scales: be the root

[02:22:02]

scales:

uh huh

[02:22:04]

scales:

i was

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scales:

and i was in /usr/sbin

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scales:

when i do dmesg after plugging in my mce receiver

[02:22:33]

scales:

i get

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scales:

lirc_mceusb2[4]: Phillips eHome Infrared Tranceiver on usb2:4

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scales:

so it is recognized

[02:23:18]

scales:

....

[02:23:19]

scales:

humm

[02:27:49]

scales:

anyone

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scales:

?

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Anduin:

I think everyone just hates that you type short lines and so is refusing to help you.

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scales:

ok, well my computer seems to recognize my remote, but i am having a hard time starting lirc. i have tried service lircd start from inside /usr/sbin, which is where the lircd file is located, but i get service command not recognized. does anyone know how to start lircd?

[02:32:19]

Anduin:

scales: You used su?

[02:32:28]

scales:

yes

[02:32:35]

Anduin:

scales: su or su -?

[02:32:42]

scales:

su

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scales:

then i enter my root password

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Anduin:

No light going off?

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scales:

well the light on my receiver is going on and off when i press buttons

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Anduin:

In your head...

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scales:

oh

[02:35:18]

scales:

hang on

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scales:

ahh

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scales:

thank you anduin

[02:37:46]

scales:

now that i got lirc running, i start irw, and it seems to work when i press buttons

[02:37:52]

antiPosix:

I started a Transcoding job, how do I check on the status of that job?

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scales:

anduin, i only need a lircd.conf file in my /etc/, and one in my /home/mythtv/.mythtv correct?

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evil|away:

ok, this is really weird, I have alsa turned up all the way for capture, have the correct capture source selected, and I have VERY soft sound (I have to turn my speakers up all the way...

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scales:

hey kormoc, let me get your input

[02:41:48]

scales:

kormoc: i only need a lircd.conf file in my /etc/, and one in my /home/mythtv/.mythtv correct?

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kormoc:

right, tho, the /home/mythtv/.mythtv is called lircrc

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scales:

k

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robbins87:

anyone here use the hauppauge pvr-150 and have the remote working?

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scales:

i am working on it as we speak

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scales:

which remote are you using

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scales:

robbins87: are you using the ir that is on the card?

[02:58:09]

fury_:

man, i'm so close to getting my setup working (after it was working and my mobo got damaged...)

[02:58:24]

fury_:

i'm getting some stuttering when watching livetv

[02:58:31]

fury_:

like every 3 seconds

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fury_:

anyone have a clue what the problem could be?

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antiPosix:

is there anyway to detect if a recording has been transcoded other than checking the /mnt/store dir and looking at the file size?

[03:05:57]

antiPosix:

evil|away: is something else possing(using) your audio? This is a OSS tip so excuse me if I am WAY off because you use ALSA, but is something occupying /dev/dsp ? something like esd/

[03:06:12]

evil|away:

nope

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sphing:

GreyFoxx: you around?

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antiPosix:

I dont beleive ALSA using /dev/dsp

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evil|away:

this box does nothing but mythtv

[03:06:36]

evil|away:

doesn't even have X running on it :P

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antiPosix:

so fuser -v /dev/dsp shows nothing?

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evil|away:

all configuration is done over ssh tunnels

[03:07:01]

evil|away:

nothing is using /dev/dsp

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antiPosix:

is your out and in both stereo?

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evil|away:

and I'm using oss emulation in ALSA, so I do get /dev/dsp

[03:07:27]

scales:

where can i look at the mythtv logs? i would like to check the status on why lirc doesnt start with mythtv

[03:07:41]

Anduin:

antiPosix: System Status

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evil|away:

yep, I'm using internal cabling, I can hear the sound, it's just barely audible

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antiPosix:

arecord do anything useful? ...evil}away

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antiPosix:

you are using the +20 decibal gain?

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antiPosix:

line-in not mic?

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antiPosix:

someone should print a comprehensive MythTV book

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evil|away:

I'm using the internal CD IN plug on the INSIDE of the case

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evil|away:

because line in doesn't work

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evil|away:

and I have set CD as my capture device

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robbins87:

scales>>> sorry, didn't see you had repsonded... I'm using the newer silver and grey remote

[03:12:16]

robbins87:

also, my lirc doesn't start with myth either

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robbins87:

can you even get it to recognize your remote at all? with the usr/bin/irw thing?

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antiPosix:

is mythtv using /dev/dsp or the alsa equiv

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antiPosix:

like /dev/sound/something...

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evil|away:

/dev/dsp

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antiPosix:

what happens if you rmmod your alsa driver for your device

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antiPosix:

lsmod | grep snd (I think)

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antiPosix:

snd_blah would be the crappy alsa driver

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antiPosix:

sorry, I mean the functional ALSA driver :)

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antiPosix:

rmmod soundcore

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antiPosix:

ok, I'm getting heated towards ALSA, I need to go grab a pepsi

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evil|away:

antiPosix, I know my way around linux :) just that nothing I've tried will raise the volume of the sound

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evil|away:

antiPosix, the problem is not that I have no sound

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evil|away:

just that it's VERY VERY quiet

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evil|away:

I have all my mixer settings at 100%

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antiPosix:

evil|away: : you are getting bleed

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antiPosix:

your audio is NOT working(in my opnion)

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kormoc:

evil|away, the cd line is a un amped line, you need to go in via say, a mic line to get higher volume out of it

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evil|away:

kormoc, that's weird though, using tvtime, the cd line was just fine for input

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kormoc:

hrm, that's strange, I know with my old bttv card, it was just quite unless I used the mic input and did the +20 db gain

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evil|away:

I dunno

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kormoc:

evil|away, what about the mythtv volume mixer? is that up?

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antiPosix:

I suggested the 20 db gain

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evil|away:

I'm confuzzled at this point

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evil|away:

well here's the thing

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evil|away:

I'm also using a remote frontend

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evil|away:

so I'll I'm configuring here is the backend

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evil|away:

my frontend has sound working properly

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kormoc:

evil|away, sure, but that frontend also has volume controls

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kormoc:

evil|away, and myth has it's own internal mixer for each frontend

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evil|away:

hmm

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antiPosix:

jack up the PCM

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evil|away:

well, let me see...

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kormoc:

evil|away, try using ] to up the internal myth volume iirc

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antiPosix:

anyone know how I can see what has been transcoded without snooping the /mnt/store dir manually

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antiPosix:

how exactly does auto-transcoding work

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evil|away:

oh wow

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evil|away:

I'm getting a realllly reallly tinny sound (on top of the sound of the show) when I crank up the PCM on mythtv

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fysa:

you could look in the database for the transcode commands and modify them to do something else also, antiPosix.

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kormoc:

antiPosix, it transcodes via running mythtranscode on the file, to a tmp files, and when done, moves it overtop of the original file

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kormoc:

evil|away, is it a nasty sound?

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evil|away:

oh ya, very nasty, like a tweeter playing a high pitched whine

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fysa:

which board, evil?

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antiPosix:

when it does transcode a recording, how will I know

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evil|away:

fysa, it's an SB audioPCI

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kormoc:

evil|away, that's normal, that's why people recommend the mixers to never be set above 90%

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antiPosix:

unless I play it and see the lossy quality(since my settings make it lossy)

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evil|away:

kormoc, yeah, the sound from the show is plainly heard under that noise, but the whine is about 3x louder

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kormoc:

evil|away, yeah, mine did that too when the mixers were near 95%+

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evil|away:

and the sound for the show, is fine

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evil|away:

yeah... so if this IS the audio bleeding through, where is it bleeding through FROM?! I have set all possible inputs as capture sources (and waited for the buffer to catch up) and none have the volume hight enough...

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evil|away:

not even line-in

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evil|away:

well lemme try mic :(

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evil|away:

bbl

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kormoc:

antiPosix, like I suspected, the answer is in the docs, like I said you should check

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kormoc:

antiPosix, http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.24

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kormoc:

evil|away, it can just be electronic interference from the motherboard/cpu/other cards/etc

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evil|away:

yeah, it's not exactly a top of the line system :P

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evil|away:

well, it's bleeding over from another input

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evil|away:

because it only shows up on one input at a time...

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evil|away:

and mic boost just boosts the tinny sound

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evil|away:

I'm lost, I've tried 2 different sound cards with the same results... tomorrow I'll try an SB Live (at least it uses a different kernel module)

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evil|away:

oh

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evil|away:

next question

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evil|away:

mythtv 0.19 is the current version?

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kormoc:

aye

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evil|away:

then I'm lost as to what this could be...

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donk3y:

Could anyone recommend a good tuner card, im going to record alot of HDTV programs, not looking to spend a lot?

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evil|away:

tomorrow I'll break down and install X on that beast and make sure it works locally...

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kormoc:

donk3y, in the us?

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evil|sleep:

g'night all, and thanks!

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donk3y:

ys

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donk3y:

yes

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kormoc:

evil|sleep, if you put the money towards a pvr-150, it will save you a world of head-aches :P

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** kormoc waves to evil|sleep **

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evil|sleep:

kormoc, thanks, I may just do that

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evil|sleep:

ivtv seems better anyhow

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kormoc:

donk3y, you should look into getting a hdtv cable box from your cable company with firewire out, so you can capture directly from the box purely digital

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donk3y:

hmm checking... may have it aqlready

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sphing:

!seen GreyFoxx

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MythLogBot:

GreyFoxx is here and has been idle for 1 hour 45 minutes 32 seconds

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donk3y:

kormac: I have 2 1394 ports

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robbins87:

anyone here use the hauppauge pvr-150 and have the remote working?

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kormoc:

donk3y, there's a chance you can capture right now directly form it, or you might need to get the cable company to turn it on for you

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kormoc:

donk3y, but in anycase, in the us, the cable company is required by law to turn them on if you are a hdtv subscriber

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donk3y:

o my that would be incredible. Can you line me to a how to?

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donk3y:

link

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donk3y:

I cant type on laptops for my life..

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kormoc:

donk3y, wiki.mythtv.org has a bunch of howtos for firewire setups

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donk3y:

ok great! I will be able to enjoy all the features of mythtv using firewire?

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kormoc:

aye

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evil|sleep:

what's the difference between the PVR-150 with 1 coax in and the one with 2 coax inputs?

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donk3y:

i love you

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donk3y:

thanks

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kormoc:

evil|sleep, one of the 2 coax inputs is radio

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kormoc:

you're welcome donk3y

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evil|sleep:

ahh, don't need that :P

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donk3y:

kormoc: is it hard to configure, i am some what of a newbie?

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evil|sleep:

kormoc, so... why do those seem to be less expensive?!

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kormoc:

evil|sleep, if you get a mce edition with the windows mce remote, it's a great remote. I have one and I love it.

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kormoc:

evil|sleep, check the extras it comes with

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kormoc:

donk3y, not too hard, most people seem to get it working after a few hours of screwing around and reading on the wiki

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evil|sleep:

cool

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donk3y:

ok great

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donk3y:

thanks again

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kormoc:

your welcome

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kormoc:

evil|sleep, http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.26

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sigger_:

How do I find out the resolution that mplayer is using (via ssh)? I've tried xvidinfo -show but it tells me can't open display.

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kormoc:

sigger, you could try DISPLAY=:0.0 xvidinfo -show

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sigger_:

hmm, got different error msg:

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sigger_:

Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server

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sigger_:

Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key

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sigger_:

Error: Can't open display: :0.0

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kormoc:

heh

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sigger_:

when I try it as user mythtv, I get Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server and Xlib: No protocol specified

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

it just might not be something you can run remotely

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sigger_:

can't imagine why not.

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evil|sleep:

forwarded x sessions don't have all the X extensions that native X sessions do

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evil|sleep:

or

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evil|sleep:

it could be problems with xhost :P

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sigger_:

its not even an x forwarded session, its an x session running locally on the pc that I have ssh'ed into. I'm just using ssh to control that pc

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evil|sleep:

yeah, if you ssh into a box, and run, say, xclock, you are forwarding that program over ssh to YOUR x session

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evil|sleep:

correct me if I'm wrong, but I am pretty sure that's how it works

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sigger_:

yes, unless you give it the DISPLAY environment var.

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evil|sleep:

and not all extensions can be forwarded

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kormoc:

evil|sleep, unless you do something like say, DISPLAY=:0.0 which forces it to use the local x server

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evil|sleep:

true

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kormoc:

evil|sleep, of course, you won't get gui access, but text output will get sent to you

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evil|sleep:

ahhh

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evil|sleep:

ok

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evil|sleep:

you want the TEXT output :P

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** evil|sleep is still a bit sleepy **

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sigger_:

zackly

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evil|sleep:

kormoc, $92 sound about right for the PVR-150?

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sigger_:

ah well. will try more tomorrow. google hasn;t gotten me the answer yet

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kormoc:

evil|sleep, depends on the model, but yeah that's not that bad

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evil|sleep:

ok, that's from newegg with the remote

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evil|sleep:

and the usb box thingy...

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kormoc:

remote receiver, the MCE Kit?

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evil|sleep:

ya

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kormoc:

yeah, that's the good remote :)

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kormoc:

I'd say that's a decent deal

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evil|sleep:

cool

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evil|sleep:

and the mce kit works under LIRC?

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kormoc:

Aye, via the mceusb2 lirc driver

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kormoc:

and kernal module

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evil|sleep:

sweet

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kormoc:

and if you want, I can send you my lircrc conf for myth

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evil|sleep:

cool

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evil|sleep:

thanks

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kormoc:

no problems

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brunner1:

hi all

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evil|sleep:

hi

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brunner1:

I have a myth box that I've been using for a few months, but now I need to reformat and reinstall. I've spent a great deal of time picking out the shows I enjoy and setting their priorities exactly where I want them. Where are the settings stored?

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kormoc:

brunner1, in the mysql database

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evil|sleep:

in the sql db right?

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brunner1:

when I nmap localhost, I don't see a mysql server running

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evil|sleep:

no fair, I'm on the phone, typign 1 handed

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kormoc:

it might be running in unix socket only mode

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kormoc:

ps ax | grep mysqld

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kormoc:

but in anycase, myth requires mysql, so it's there

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brunner1:

cool. so do I need to use the command line mysql client to dump a backup?

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kormoc:

yes

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kormoc:

or

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kormoc:

you can shut down the db, and backup the mysql data directory

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brunner1:

cool

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kormoc:

usually /var/lib/mysql

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brunner1:

even better =]

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brunner1:

is there going to be a problem if I add plugins and then restore the DB for a setup that lacked those plugins?

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levander:

What's supposed to be the best bittorrent client right now?

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kormoc:

brunner1, shouldn't be

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kormoc:

levander, not really something that this channel deals with

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brunner1:

levander: I like Azureus, but I'm sure you'll find millions of answers to that

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brunner1:

levander: ask in #sd

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levander:

brunner1: azureus is written in java though, how slow is it?

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brunner1:

I haven't experience any performance issues, and I usually use pretty old hardware

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brunner1:

experienced*

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levander:

brunner1: interesting, i'll try it

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levander:

brunner1: what's #sd for? all the topic says is that they are abandoning freenode

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brunner1:

I'd ask in #sd before you go with azureus. they may have many better ideas

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brunner1:

levander: it's a non-profit organization that provides free unix shells to people who wish to learn unix, but there are alot of linux and unix gurus who idle there

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brunner1:

and they don't mind off-topic chat

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kormoc:

we tend to not mind ot chat ether, it's just bittorrent is a 'banned' topic in here, due to the grey area legal issues.

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brunner1:

good call. talk of FTP should probably be forbidden as well, as it used to be pretty common to trade copyrighted material via FTP.

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kormoc:

it tends to be so, aye

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levander:

ah, now i get why yall don't want that discussed in here

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brunner1:

and let's not forget IRC... oh shit

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levander:

the hills have eyes

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brunner1:

Usenet, too. don't forget Usenet.

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kormoc:

it was a request by the mythtv developers, who don't want to get into legal trouble

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brunner1:

oh. I see.

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kormoc:

they've already been put into news articles as a illegal recording software

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brunner1:

well, I can respect that then

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kormoc:

and given they give us the time and software for free, yeah, we try to respect their wishes.

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evil|sleep:

that nc's a bitch too... soooo much copyrighted stuff shared over netcat

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evil|sleep:

;)

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evil|sleep:

and with that, I'm off

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brunner1:

lol.. illegal recording software

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brunner1:

man, if that's not retarded, I'm not sure what is

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brunner1:

speaking of ignorance, where would I go to configure mythtv to use TCP/IP sockets instead of unix sockets?

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kormoc:

for?

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brunner1:

for access by other frontends

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kormoc:

well, might I inquire why?

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kormoc:

and I don't think you can use tcp/ip directly, as remote unix sockets tend to tunnel over tcp/ip, don't they?

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brunner1:

so that I can sit in my hot tub and watch TV

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brunner1:

if you must know

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brunner1:

I feel pretty certain that there's a way to do it

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kormoc:

well, I'm wondering why pure tcp/ip is better then unix socket tunneled over tcp/ip ?

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brunner1:

because the frontends I want to use are setup for TCP/IP connections to mysql

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kormoc:

okay, so then you want to turn on networking in mysql

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kormoc:

that's a different question

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brunner1:

ah

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brunner1:

sorry

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kormoc:

in your my.cnf file, there will be one of two different lines, or both

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brunner1:

poorly worded question

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kormoc:

check for a skip-networking line

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kormoc:

and comment it out

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brunner1:

alright, thanks

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kormoc:

and check for a line that's something like, bind 127.0.0.1 and comment it out

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kormoc:

then restart mysql, and you should have remote access

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brunner1:

cool. I appreciate it.

[04:53:20]

kormoc:

and to allow the remote frontends, you'll need to setup a extra grant, and that's covered in the documentation.

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b8:

ok guys, im desperate, ive tried everything I can think of to do, but I keep getting this error when I try to record a show via the program guide:

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b8:

"This program will not be reccorded because it doesnt match the current program listings"

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b8:

but the listings are _there_

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dev:

i had that problem once, and all 'new scheduled recordings'.. i blew away my channels in mythtv-setup and reset up the zap2it feed

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dev:

fixed after that

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b8:

cool, i will look into that

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b8:

the docs say that will happen if the listings change

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b8:

but they appear to not have changed, its really wierd

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dev:

yeah, something changed on mine that wasnt very noticeable.. still dont know what it was

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dev:

i had mine running for over 1.5years and think i reset channels once 6months+ ago

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simcop2387:

i need to save this to somewhere i can remember where it is

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b8:

ya i tried every option in mythfilldatabse that I thought would fix it

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simcop2387:

recorded markup keeps getting clobbered

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mes:

does anyone know where to set the local oscillator freq in 0.20?

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mes:

that is for DVB-S

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simcop2387:

was 0.20 released?

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dev:

i had mythbackend drop again. and this time it was svn not 0.19

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** simcop2387 hasn't paid attention **

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dev:

but i didnt have all logging on

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mes:

this is a svn build, the LOF is gone

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sphing:

does anyone have their myth system connected to their tv via dvi?

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kormoc:

simcop2387, no, it wasn't

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simcop2387:

kormoc: k i didn't think it was close enough last i looked

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fysa:

I have it connected to projector via DVI and TV via SVideo, sphing.

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lmpbzktwn5:

hi, i have a mythfilldatabase problem-- 401 unauthorized comes up all the time. there is no 200 OK response at all

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simcop2387:

lmpbzktwn5: sounds like a password/username is typed in wrong if you are using data direct

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kormoc:

lmpbzktwn5, you sure your lap2it user and password are correct and not expired?

[05:01:11]

sphing:

fysa: I have mine connected with dvi -> hdmi cable and X is bigger than the tv

[05:01:20]

lmpbzktwn5:

yes, i just signed up for it 2 days ago and it's in correctly

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sphing:

well the whole screen, even on boot up

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simcop2387:

would anyone be so kind as to PM me the schema for the recorded markup table

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fysa:

what display are you using?

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sphing:

but what i care about is X... is there a way to push X in a little

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sphing:

display?

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kormoc:

sphing, you could change X's resolution

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fysa:

my projector lets me select what the DVI port is 'doing' — PC Analog, PC Digital, HDCP

[05:02:25]

lmpbzktwn5:

my frontend and backend are on the same machine, so for the IP setup within the mythtvsetup program, the IP's should both be 127.0.0.1, correct?

[05:02:26]

sphing:

kormoc: tried it, it seems the tv just stretches is out again

[05:02:29]

simcop2387:

sphing: sounds like overscanning is happening, dunno what you can do about that for X in general

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fysa:

I had to use HDCP on the projector and then set my xorg.conf to ignore Edid.

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kormoc:

lmpbzktwn5, aye

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sphing:

simcop2387: thats what I thought... but its DVI.. i thought overscanning was on on tvout

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kormoc:

sphing, that's a bit... strange... no tv settings to change?

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fysa:

and manually specify a resolution

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simcop2387:

sphing: the tv itself may be doing it

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sphing:

kormoc: gone up and down the tv menu and followed the manual

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fysa:

otherwise the projector would get picked up as being 1024x768, when it's actually 1280x720.

[05:03:43]

fysa:

I use this: Modeline "1280x720" 62.156 1280 1352 1392 1648 720 728 733 753 -HSync -VSync

[05:04:04]

lmpbzktwn5:

kormoc: any other ideas as to what might be wrong?

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fysa:

and then in the "Device" section for my NVidia card, I have: Option "UseEdidFreqs" "false"

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kormoc:

lmpbzktwn5, no, but you could email zap2it and see what they think?

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fysa:

and then _only_ Modes "1280x720" under Section "Screen"

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lmpbzktwn5:

kormoc: yeah, i guess i could do that... is there anyway to get the data manually from another source and import it into myth?

[05:05:10]

sphing:

http://pastebin.com/773775

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simcop2387:

sphing: play with xvidtune and see if you can shrink it

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sphing:

is my xorg

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fysa:

sphing: which video card are you using?

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fysa:

ah

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sphing:

nvidia propriary drivers

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sphing:

spell check on that

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sphing:

proprietary?

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fysa:

you don't have a 1360x768 mode defined.

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fysa:

under Section "Monitor"

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kormoc:

no, but he has a 720p mode defined

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fysa:

if it's an LCD, 1360x768 is going to be native.

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kormoc:

sphery, so which is your tv?

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sphing:

yes it an lcd

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sphing:

one sec..

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kormoc:

so why the 720p modeline?

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kormoc:

pastebin up your xorg.log?

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fysa:

exactly. that should be erased.

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fysa:

he did :)

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fysa:

oh

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fysa:

sorry.

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fysa:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=Mo . . . rintable=yes

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sphing:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FVUCNO/0 . . . amp;n=172282

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fysa:

there are a few 1360x768 modelines there, sphing. Get rid of your 720p line and use one of those and try that.

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sphing:

kormoc: one sec

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sphing:

http://pastebin.com/773777

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sphing:

log

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fysa:

yeah, it's falling back to 1280x720 which is smaller than your display.

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sphing:

according to the tv manual

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sphing:

it says

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sphing:

XGA 1280x768

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sphing:

60 Hz

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fysa:

you only want to use the native resolution

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fysa:

oh.

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fysa:

then change "1360x768" to "1280x768"

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fysa:

in your xorg.conf

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fysa:

ModeLine "720p" 73.825 1280 1320 1368 1640 720 722 724 751 +hsync +vsync

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fysa:

get rid of that

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fysa:

and replace it with maybe this one:

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fysa:

Modeline "1280x768" 79.464 1280 1360 1488 1664 768 771 778 798 -hsync +vsync

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fysa:

or any other 1280x768 line from that modeline database link above

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fysa:

until you find one that works

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sphing:

ok I'll go through them

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fysa:

I'd paste a bunch into your xorg.conf and comment them all out before trying any, then go through one at a time.

[05:14:51]

fysa:

Modeline "1280x768" 83.05 1280 1376 1504 1736 768 771 778 798 -hsync -vsync

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fysa:

that one looks good too.

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fysa:

good luck! (and good night ;))

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sphing:

nope tried them all

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sphing:

what I'm not sure about is.. even the console is stretched

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b8:

dev: that totally worked, now the scheduler is recording things; thanks

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dev:

excellent

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xris:

sphing: you try `X -configure` ?

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dev:

glad to help.

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sphing:

hmm actually I didnt xris..

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sphing:

worth a shot at this point

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sphing:

same thing

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sphing:

pdf page 26 is what I'm basing my decisions on: http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/pdf/PHILIPS%20MANUAL.pdf

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xris:

only other thing I can recommend is that you look at the DisplaySize parameter

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xris:

for the monitor section

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atomjack:

anyone having problems with zap2it/mythfilldatabase?

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xris:

not me (recently)

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dev:

im only getting 12days worth of data recently

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dev:

instead of 14 like it used to be

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atomjack:

i keep getting 500 server error on mythfilldatabase, and when i log into my accounts on zap2it it says i have no lineups (when i should have one on each) and when i try to add one it doesnt work

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atomjack:

can you log into your zap2it account and see if it shows your lineups?

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dev:

ah. not that problem. no

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dev:

yeah, just logged in, it shows it

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atomjack:

hrmmm

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atomjack:

oh wait

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atomjack:

haha i hit cancel and not submit when i put in my zip..doh

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dev:

pilot error

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atomjack:

that sstill doesn't explain why my lineups disappeared though..hrm

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xris:

atomjack: I've done that before. their form-element ordering needs help

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atomjack:

yeah

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sphing:

nvidia-auto-select

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sphing:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): Mode "1280x768" is too large for Philips FTV (DFP-0);

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sphing:

is what Xorg log is elling me

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atomjack:

hmm

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atomjack:

does it say anything about EDID?

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sphing:

yes...

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atomjack:

where's the xconfig file stored, i forget

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atomjack:

and, does your tv (hdtv?) support 1024x768?

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sphing:

http://pastebin.com/773780

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sphing:

is the full log..

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atomjack:

oh hmm

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sphing:

according to the manual it wants 1280x768 at 60hz

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sphing:

atomjack if I uncomment this line: Option "IgnoreEDID"

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sphing:

it gives me that its depricated...

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atomjack:

cause i was having a problem getting X to display 1280x720 to my hdtv at first and it was complaining about some EDID thing but there's an IgnoreEDID option that fixed it..but it doesnt look like you are getting that one

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atomjack:

oh hrm

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atomjack:

where is the location of the xconfig file, so i can look at mine

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atomjack:

i forget, it was a long time that i configured it and i havent needed to update it since

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xris:

usually /etc/X11

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atomjack:

that's right, xorg.conf

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atomjack:

yeah in the screen section i have

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atomjack:

Option "IgnoreEDID" "1"

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sphing:

http://pastebin.com/773781

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sphing:

is the log file with the ignoreedid in place

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sphing:

line 418

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atomjack:

ahhh

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atomjack:

did you try settign UseEDID to false?

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atomjack:

or the mode validation thing?

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atomjack:

i am not sure if that's the problem, as when i was having problems it specifically said something about violating EDID or something..

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atomjack:

i eventually found the answer was for it to ignore edid, since i knew my tv could display at that resolution

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sphing:

hmm

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atomjack:

wow yeah..so somehow my lineups got deleted and readding them fixed the mythfilldatabase prob

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sphing:

I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing with xvidtune

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kormoc:

sphing, press random buttons till the screen looks right?

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dev:

i need a little nightcap too

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sphing:

kormoc the screen isnt actually moving

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kormoc:

sphing, that would really point towards the tv imho

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sphing:

hmm the modelines change the display

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sphing:

so with the modelines changing it actually moves between X restarts... but not with xvidtune

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sphing:

xf86CheckModeForDriver: called with invalid scrnInfoRec

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sphing:

is what im getting when I try to apply changes from xvidtune

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fysa:

Which nvidia driver are you using?

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fysa:

version, that is.

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linagee:

why is it that if i go below a certain bit/sec level on a transcode, it still goes about the same fps. 62fps.

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linagee:

interesting how lowering quality does not make it go faster...

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k-man__:

hello

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d3ity-turion64:

Hey guys, got some hardware questions

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d3ity-turion64:

my processor on my mythtv box recently went out

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d3ity-turion64:

I'm wondering about TV-Out

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d3ity-turion64:

I had an nvidia fx5200, worked great for what I needed

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d3ity-turion64:

now, I'm looking around and the only sensible upgrade option for me is going PCI-E

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d3ity-turion64:

so... I'm wondering, is there an nvidia card available with a good TV-out, that won't cost me a fortune, for PCI-E

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brunner1:

hmm... when I start my mythbackend now I get the error message "Can't open file: 'recordedmarkup.MYI'. (errno: 145)"

[08:50:26]

brunner1:

repeated over again

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brunner1:

and a DB error where it says an insert statement failed

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gbee:

brunner1: tables corrupted, run the repair/optimise script in contrib

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brunner1:

mysql contrib?

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gbee:

mythtv/contrib

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gbee:

easier than using mysql or mysqladmin to do it directly

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gbee:

optimize_mythdb.pl

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brunner1:

oh, I see

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brunner1:

thanks

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brunner1:

sweet, worked =]

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gbee:

brunner1: glad to hear

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gbee:

database corrupted doesn't happen often, but running that script in a daily cron won't do any harm so you might give that a thought

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gbee:

s/corrupted/corruption/

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Puh:

can it be run while myth is running?

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gbee:

yep

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Puh:

this might be silly but if i choose to record only this showing, why am i still seeing the recording schedule after the recording is finished?

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Puh:

i have about two zillion "Once" type recording schedules that seem to be unnecessary

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[jasper]:

hej guys, can anyone tlel me where the grabbers are stored?

[11:17:37]

[jasper]:

in what directory

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Juski:

man find

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gardengnome:

man locate

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gardengnome:

heya Juski ;)

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Juski:

hey gardengnome

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Juski:

I've started work on the postcode configurator. having an issue parsing the data right now but I'm on it :)

[11:19:26]

gardengnome:

nice :)

[11:19:29]

frahi:

I have a problem installing lirc: The modules fail to load with error 'Unknown symbol class_simple_device_add'

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gardengnome:

i'm busy cleaning my desk, heh

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Juski:

damn. is this #lirc?

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gardengnome:

maybe your kernel is too advanced for simple_devices.

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octan_:

hi all

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octan_:

is it posseble to run mythfrontend without a wm or de?

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nf|aevil:

its possible to run it without X

[11:31:25]

Juski:

octan_: yes but it's not advised. and you'd know that if you'd read the wiki & the channel faqs

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Juski:

hey no problem. you're welcome

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gbee:

octan_: mythfrontend without a wm is possible, but you won't receive any support if someting doesn't work

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octan_:

im reading.. i'll get no input from keyboard while watching anything.. suxz : however .. which light-weight window managers sould i download then?

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Juski:

ratpoison, evilwm, fluxbox... ... ... ...

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octan_:

im using kde dayli.. but i dont want kde as the wm|de for mythtv

[11:42:52]

octan_:

hmm but i never use the keyboard when i use mythtv

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octan_:

i use a remote,., will that be affected too? if no wm installed?

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Juski:

never != will never ;)

[11:44:00]

Juski:

if you use any external app in mythfrontend, e.g. from mythvideo, mythdvd or mythgame you will probably not regain focus of mythfrontend when the other app quits

[11:45:31]

gardengnome:

fluxbox is pretty light-weight.

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Juski:

time to go read my PERL book

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gardengnome:

aren't you supposed to be working? ;)

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Juski:

gardengnome: lunchybreak

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gardengnome:

Juski: ah, good excuse :)

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Juski:

bugger

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Juski:

I can't figure this out.

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Juski:

if I put each postcode on its own line with region & xmltvid all will be well but the input files will be unweildy. if I put everything into a table, the file won't be human readable anymore

[12:20:14]

Juski:

s/table/columns in a tabular file

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Aid`:

Anyone here use a DVB-S card?

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gbee:

Juski: is it important that it be human readable?

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Juski:

gbee: for future updating, yes

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gbee:

ahh

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gbee:

well I'd split the data into two parts, postcode & region – region&xmltvid

[12:26:22]

gbee:

which would make the overall data set smaller and easier to update

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gbee:

unless that's what you were already doing

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gbee:

in which case ignore me :)

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Aid`:

how can i check which modules i have installed w/o doing a 'make menuconfig'? because i dont know which kernel im using for sure

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gbee:

postcode&region are pretty much static thus wouldn't need to be updated often and need not be human readable

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gnuyen:

hi guys

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Aid`:

hi

[12:28:57]

gnuyen:

where does mythweb pull the logo in the top left corner?

[12:29:00]

gnuyen:

err

[12:29:03]

gnuyen:

mythweather

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gnuyen:

cuz it's tripping me out that it pulled some logo from some place that i made and i have no idea where it's getting it

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Juski:

gbee: I want it all in one file eventually

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gbee:

gnuyen: /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/default/logo.png

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gbee:

or logo.png weather/logo.png in other theme dirs

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gnuyen:

like it found logo.png

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gnuyen:

somewhere

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gbee:

or even .mythtv/logo.png

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gnuyen:

in my home directory

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gnuyen:

i guess

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gnuyen:

~/logo.png too

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gnuyen:

~/logo.png too

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gnuyen:

oops

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gnuyen:

thanks

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gnuyen:

ws drivin me nuts

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gbee:

gnuyen: if it's getting a files from your home dir that would be a bug

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gnuyen:

then it's a bug

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gbee:

we shouldn't be looking there for theme files

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gnuyen:

~/logo.png

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gnuyen:

i deleted dit

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gnuyen:

and it went away

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gnuyen:

if someone else will try it to confirm

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gnuyen:

i will report the bug

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gnuyen:

it kinda feels like a feature

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gnuyen:

lol

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gbee:

I'll try it ... it's not what I would accept as intended behaviour, so if anyone disagrees you'll have me on your side :)

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gbee:

suppose it's looking at the dir were mfe is started, but that isn't good behaviour imho

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gnuyen:

oh

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gnuyen:

hrmm

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gnuyen:

that could be it too

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gnuyen:

anyone get mythtv on mac os x workin with the frontrow remote?

[12:40:59]

gnuyen:

or should i say can it be done easily?

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Juski:

hmm this could be loads easier if I had the files in .xml format

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gbee:

Juski, you can do it how you like, but I'm just saying if you divide it like I suggested it will make the file/files much smaller and make updating easier :)

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Juski:

heh

[12:43:19]

Juski:

true

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Juski:

parsing em is still where I have the brainblock though

[12:44:02]

Juski:

I'll get it in the end even if I have to have a line per postcode

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gbee:

if it's done in xml format you could quite easily put both set of data in the one file

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Juski:

that was my thinking

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gbee:

the postcode/region data up top followed by the region/xmltvid mapping

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Juski:

<region>foobar</region><postcodes>foo,foo2,foo3,foo4</postc odes>

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gbee:

or <region><name>foobar</name><postcode>foo</postcode> ;<postcode>foo2</postcode></region>

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Juski:

yeh

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Juski:

too much for a lunchbreak anyway

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Juski:

and the same kind of format could be used to store provider/package/channel info too

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gbee:

xml parsing is easy enough because of the number of libs available to do it for you :)

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gbee:

yep

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Juski:

aaaand.. it'll prolly make bringing it into a gui easier aswell

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Juski:

sorted

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[jasper]:

hmm Juski thx for the man find

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[jasper]:

but it doesn't find anything on tv_grab_nl

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Juski_:

so that means you ain't got it installed most likely [jasper]

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antiPosi1:

can someone tell me where I can dig up the max resolution specs on my ATI TV Wonder (VE) tuner?

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gardengnome:

maybe www.linuxtv.org or the bttv gallery – or sell your soul to ATI and sign an NDA :)

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GreyFoxx:

antiPosix: It's just an analog tuner ?

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antiPosi1:

yes

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Imaginativeone:

are there any affordable fully-configured MythTV systems?

[13:45:50]

antiPosi1:

I think I recall from the box for the card it was 544x240

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antiPosi1:

but that would look silly, right? since its not 4:3

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GreyFoxx:

that would be an interlaced "half" frame

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GreyFoxx:

it would be 544x480 with both frames

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antiPosi1:

to get the best res out of mythtv, what should I set the Default record profile to be? 544x480?

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antiPosi1:

or 544x240

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GreyFoxx:

x480

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antiPosi1:

or 320x240 which is my current setting

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GreyFoxx:

It depends also on what resolution you are running X in and hwo well your card scales

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antiPosi1:

I used the 240 as my lowest common denominator and to make it 4:3 I deduced I should make the top 320(hence the 320x240)

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GreyFoxx:

The broadcaster is likely only sending 544x480 down the wire

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GreyFoxx:

personally I run X as 720x480, and also record at the same

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antiPosi1:

my X is 800x600

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antiPosi1:

would lowering my res in X reduce some burden on the CPU?

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GreyFoxx:

After some tweaking the other day I found that what I have set now is by far the best visual quality I've gotten out of that machine

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GreyFoxx:

antiPosix: Not really, since the scaling of the video would be happenning in hardware unless you have another problem

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antiPosi1:

lowering my X res would surely free up video ram(I only have 16MB)

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GreyFoxx:

I highly doubt that's a problem

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antiPosi1:

there is no problem

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GreyFoxx:

What kind of card is it? It's been a while since I saw a 16mb card :)

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antiPosi1:

it works great at 320x240

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antiPosi1:

the vid card is a 3dfx(using tdfx driver) Voodoo2

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

I've got a couple of those in a box. My first "media pc" was with one of the vodoo3's

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antiPosi1:

I think it came out in 98? I am happy with it though

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antiPosi1:

the voodoo3 was too pricey for me in those days

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antiPosi1:

didnt voodoo3 have TV out?

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GreyFoxx:

mine has tv out

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antiPosi1:

so what do you think I should set my record res to with the ATI TV Wonder (VE) card to better my viewing experience

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antiPosi1:

544x480?..

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GreyFoxx:

544x480, 640x480 and even try 720x480 just for shits n giggles

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antiPosi1:

will do, thanks for the suggestions

[13:55:32]

antiPosi1:

I think I have officially built the lowest end Mythtv box in the world. And since I'm no video snob i am quite happy with it

[13:55:37]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

I think I have ya beat

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GreyFoxx:

or, had ya beat

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GreyFoxx:

I use to have a P166 as a frontend

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antiPosi1:

AMD Duran 700Mhz, 256MB RAM, cheap ass tuner, Gravis USB gamepad as the remote, onboard AC'97 sound

[13:56:41]

antiPosi1:

yup, youhad me beat

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GreyFoxx:

antiPosix: But I cheating and hacked up myth to use a pci mpeg decoder which had tv out

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GreyFoxx:

the processor couldn't handle the load :)

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gardengnome:

duron 700? heh, that's quite fast :)

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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hashbang:

http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000084 # :-(

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ivor_:

lame

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stuarta:

not our fault his cable box is shite

[14:08:27]

hashbang:

stuarta: my thoughts entirely, hence my post as 'cowbutt'

[14:08:37]

ivor_:

I think his main gripe was that he had to "learn" stuff

[14:08:44]

ivor_:

rather than just plug in a box and have it work.

[14:08:53]

ivor_:

seems to be missing the point of the project

[14:09:24]

hashbang:

ivor_: yup; if you want PnP, and don't mind the associated loss of freedoms, go buy an off-the-shelf PVR

[14:09:31]

stuarta:

hey we haven't even looked at usability yet....

[14:09:52]

gardengnome:

heh. that guy's a sissy

[14:09:55]

ivor_:

or just use a 'packages' myth distro with the hardware they recommend.

[14:10:01]

ivor_:

"packaged"

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Kelerion:

but you *can* adjust contrast and color etc from mythfrontend till you have it how you like it

[14:13:46]

stuarta:

!trout author stupid article

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** MythLogBot slaps author with a stupid article trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[14:14:17]

Kelerion:

and then you can apply that to all channels with a really simple sql statement.. it's in the archives

[14:14:33]

Juski_:

the point is being missed though isn't it?

[14:14:45]

GreyFoxx:

Kelerion: Yeah, but a user shouldn't have to enter mysql reaslly

[14:14:45]

Kelerion:

no.. you shouldn't have to run a sql statement.. I get the point :)

[14:15:15]

Juski_:

mythtv is alright – I mean _I_ know how to work it :-P

[14:15:17]

GreyFoxx:

I've got several things I want to work on all making it a much less manual configuration pain for certain things

[14:15:20]

Merlin83b:

Shouldn't have to run mysql at all, but that's a seperate debate ;-)

[14:16:01]

Kelerion:

and simplifying and db extraction is all being worked on at the moment..

[14:16:07]

Kelerion:

abstraction

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hashbang:

TBH, though, SQL fiddling is usually easier than some of the UIs on 'appliances'

[14:16:37]

Juski_:

db absraction is being worked on? not what I'd heard

[14:16:41]

hashbang:

e.g. /adding/ new channels to an already-customised channel list

[14:16:47]

Kelerion:

I thought it was

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hashbang:

most appliances only seem to allow you to build an entirely new channel list

[14:16:59]

Juski_:

on the 'to-do if someone gets round to it' list

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GreyFoxx:

define abstraction in this context

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Kelerion:

ahh ok.. lol

[14:17:36]

gbee:

don't actually think the article is too bad, he's only mentioning things we already know and plan on improving

[14:17:38]

Kelerion:

making a db layer that isn't db reliant.. ie you can use whichever db you want.. mysql, pg etc

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GreyFoxx:

Noone is working on that , at least not actively

[14:18:12]

gbee:

if the article bitched about usability after we've made those improvements, then I'd be a little pissed

[14:18:21]

Kelerion:

ahh ok.. someones obviously thinking about it though.. you have an option in the setup.. it's only got mysql in it at the moment though

[14:19:10]

gbee:

Kelerion: it's unlikely to happen soon, the work involved isn't actually worth the result imho

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Kelerion:

I don't think it is either.. I'm perfectly happy with mysql.. it's the only db I ever use for anything

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gbee:

some thought was given to an embedded db with sqlite, but sqlite proved far too slow and also too limited

[14:21:04]

Kelerion:

I think the article does have one good idea though.. a recommended list of hardware for a specific setup.. "use this hardware.. put it together like this... run through these steps.. your done" type thing

[14:21:25]

gbee:

in the forseeable future all that is likely to happen is that the db communication will be handled entirely by the backend

[14:21:31]

Kelerion:

based on the most common type of setup

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gbee:

rather than MFE talking to mysql itself

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: That's exactly what I was just thinking about

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Kelerion:

gbee: wouldn't that slow down mfe though?

[14:22:12]

stuarta:

not sure Chutt's ever going to accept something like postgres support.

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Merlin83b:

I'd vote (as a user of a low power, low memory system) for embedded stuff in BE. I don't really want to run mysql on the system and wouldn't if it wasn't a requirement. That said I fully understand the if you don't like something, fix it nature of open source and will generally keep quiet on such matters :-)

[14:22:41]

gbee:

not if the myth protocol was replaced with something better, which is the other thing being discussed

[14:23:21]

stuarta:

gbee: you on RT data or EIT data?

[14:23:49]

Kelerion:

still be an extra step though.. mfe asks mbe for something.. mbe does it.. mbe passes results to mfe... or wouldn't you really notice much difference?

[14:23:53]

gbee:

a mix, film showing channels RT data, EIT for the rest

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gbee:

only because the RT film descriptions are so much better

[14:24:33]

Merlin83b:

Kelerion: It wouldn't usually be a lot of data being passed around.

[14:24:46]

stuarta:

gbee: as long as they don't give the plot away :)

[14:25:18]

gbee:

:)

[14:25:43]

Juski_:

!trout Alison Daniels give-the-plot-away

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** MythLogBot slaps Alison with a Daniels give-the-plot-away trout on behalf of Juski_... **

[14:25:44]

gbee:

they also include ratings, which I'm not sure the EIT data does

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Juski_:

oops

[14:26:11]

Juski_:

gbee: no rating data in EIT

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Juski_:

I like the _rt descriptions as long as they're shorter than 500 words

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stuarta:

things are improving, the EIT monkeys are becoming more accurate and consistent

[14:27:05]

stuarta:

except on certain days when the clearly can't be bothered.

[14:27:15]

stuarta:

s/the/they

[14:27:44]

gbee:

exactly what are we getting from EIT these days? cast info? reliable/accurate subtitles? content flags? etc

[14:28:17]

stuarta:

*reasonable* title, description info +content flags

[14:28:44]

stuarta:

the monkeys are getting better at being consistent with the way they type the subtitle into the description

[14:29:01]

stuarta:

which allows the fixups to find them better.

[14:29:30]

stuarta:

as there's no separate subtitle field in EIT data

[14:29:50]

gbee:

think I'll stick with RT data for channels that matter – having something not record because of a bad subtitle, or generic description would be annoying

[14:30:22]

stuarta:

I just regularly review things, and try to conjure up new fixup regexps :-/

[14:30:27]

Juski_:

well we _do_ pay for rt data afterall ;)

[14:30:50]

stuarta:

really must try and figure out the 24 regexp to get decent subtitle info.

[14:31:18]

** gbee stopped watching 24 after the second series **

[14:31:44]

gbee:

got tired of the constant twists and cliff-hangers

[14:31:51]

Juski_:

oh it got better after series 3

[14:32:00]

stuarta:

I only saw 3pm-6pm from the first series.

[14:32:15]

gbee:

!trout Juski_

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski_ with a trout on behalf of gbee... **

[14:32:57]

Juski_:

wth was that for?

[14:34:06]

gbee:

for saying it got better after series 3 :)

[14:34:09]

Juski_:

I'm bored. might start xml'ifing my files

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gbee:

I'm going to have to watch series 3 to see when I was quite content before

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gbee:

s/see/see,/

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Juski_:

series 6 will be interesting if only to see how Bauer gets out of the predicament he's in at the end of series 5

[14:37:17]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[14:37:24]

GreyFoxx:

I didn't expect that

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Juski_:

nobody did I bet

[14:38:11]

Juski_:

nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition either :-P

[14:40:22]

nero_office:

Anyone want to write a dissertation chapter on "background to structural reliability assessment?" so I can play with my myth box?? ;)

[14:41:05]

stuarta:

mwahahaha

[14:41:13]

GreyFoxx:

http://pastebin.ca/146329

[14:41:20]

GreyFoxx:

that should make some users lives a little easier

[14:41:52]

GreyFoxx:

I figure if you can override a setting at the commandline, you should be able to lookup it's value in the database as well :)

[14:41:59]

GreyFoxx:

and it's one less reason for people to go into mysql

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Kelerion:

did you just code that functionality now?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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Kelerion:

"mythfilldaabaseLastRunStart" still managed to lookup "mythfilldatabaseLastRunStart"?

[14:44:19]

Kelerion:

it's missing a "t"

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GreyFoxx:

Hrm, my cut n paste cut that off

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Kelerion:

ahh.. lol

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GreyFoxx:

looking at my Xterm I don't see the T either unless I resize the window

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GreyFoxx:

mythtv@woop:~/mythtv/mythtv/programs/mythfrontend$ ./mythfrontend -G mythfilldatabaseLastRunStart,BackendServerIP,BackendServerPort

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GreyFoxx:

There, heh

[14:45:02]

** Kelerion chuckles **

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Juski_:

nifty

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** GreyFoxx goes to do the work he's actually being paid for **

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** Kelerion laughs **

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Kelerion:

but is it as interesting?

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Kelerion:

this ripping things to iso's for mythvideo seems to be working *really* well so far :)

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Kelerion:

and the internal play is handling them perfectly

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Kelerion:

player

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jams:

Juski_- , your themese are no longer .20 ready

[15:08:53]

Juski_:

??

[15:08:54]

jams:

mythvideo was updated yesterday

[15:09:01]

Juski_:

oh fuck

[15:09:15]

gbee:

hmm kopete and myth don't seem to handle sharing /dev/dsp very well, end up with the lock on /dev/dsp not being released if kopete queues up a sound

[15:09:19]

Juski_:

running just to stand still now :-|

[15:09:29]

Juski_:

jams: much change?

[15:09:32]

jams:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/10921

[15:11:04]

jams:

or this one http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/10917

[15:11:45]

Juski_:

phew

[15:11:47]

Juski_:

not too bad

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stuarta:

damn moving targets.... :)

[15:12:50]

Juski_:

noted... cheers jams :)

[15:12:56]

jams:

sure

[15:13:02]

Juski_:

from now on people who update the code update the themes/..... muhahahahaha

[15:13:09]

Juski_:

(kidding)

[15:13:21]

jams:

Juski- he did at least for the themes in SVN

[15:13:45]

stuarta:

GreyFoxx: were you thinking of including Juski's work?

[15:16:07]

jams:

must be hard at work

[15:18:11]

jams:

Juski- do you watch the commits list?

[15:23:01]

** jams throws a beach ball into the crowd **

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** stuarta watches it hit the ground **

[15:25:48]

amx:

anyone ever thought of making a myth plugin to control MPD ?

[15:25:50]

** jams watches the ball slowly deflate **

[15:26:10]

** amx thinks such a thing would be cool... **

[15:26:56]

jams:

doubt it, as that is would be fairly close to mfe/mfd

[15:28:10]

Juski_:

jams: I try to keep up to date, but been busy updating my theme lately ;)

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amx:

jams: interesting, I didn't know about that

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Juski:

right.. as I said in the other room.. time to POE. see ya on t'other side :)

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antiPosi1:

poe?

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stuarta:

double bastard. both of him Pissed Off Early :(

[15:32:34]

antiPosi1:

guess I'm not familiar with that expression

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qu0zl:

no no, it's power-over-ethernet

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qu0zl:

Juski is a juice-junkie

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stuarta:

mixed TLA's. he's POE'ng not PoE'ng

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stuarta:

:)

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antiPosi1:

anyone use AoE?

[15:34:15]

stuarta:

not, mainly cause I don't have a SAN

[15:35:25]

antiPosi1:

cant talk to a stranger like a normal human being

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stuarta:

?

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antiPosi1:

trigger happy jack

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amx:

jams: so what's the status of mfe/mfd? Is that in a usable state ?

[15:36:00]

antiPosi1:

Poe

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stuarta:

??

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antiPosi1:

a tune from the late nineties

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despratehouswife:

hi i need help with something and i cant get a hold of my husband to help me fix it can anyone help im desperate got a child and he is freaking out already

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gardengnome:

freaking out? because the TV doesn't work? :)

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despratehouswife:

yes

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gardengnome:

oh

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despratehouswife:

for some reason the sound is out..its always worked before

[15:55:33]

despratehouswife:

its not the speakers or the sound card..because there is sound at the start of it booting up

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gardengnome:

hmm

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despratehouswife:

and the only time it gets silent and gewts no sound is when i turn mythtv on and its time for tv

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despratehouswife:

i even have speakers turned up all the way

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gardengnome:

despratehouswife: turn them down so you don't become deaf when it starts to work again. does it work in mythmusic?

[15:58:13]

Juski:

svn update

[15:58:17]

Juski:

bugger

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stuarta:

EWRONGWINDOW

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Juski:

yup

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Juski:

no points for guessing what I'm doing tonight

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** gardengnome holds up a sign that says "theme updating goodness" **

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despratehouswife:

havent out music in the music librbry i guess

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** stuarta throws tomatoes at it **

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Juski:

gardengnome: nope. compilering

[15:59:53]

gardengnome:

Juski: oh, nift

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gardengnome:

nifty*

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Juski:

beats watching paint dry. gives me an excuse to play with my xml doodah wossname

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gardengnome:

despratehouswife: well.. what about mythvideo?

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** stuarta is hunting weird possible race conditions while watching TV at 1.35x minimum **

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** Juski curses mythvideo **

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despratehouswife:

no sound from anything i tried to watch a recording and didnt work

[16:02:04]

gardengnome:

despratehouswife: hmm. sorry for the stupid question, but.. is the volume turned up in mythtv?

[16:02:10]

despratehouswife:

yes

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despratehouswife:

like i said i had sound turned up all the way and i made sure it wasnt muted

[16:02:58]

despratehouswife:

but i did turn sound down a little

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despratehouswife:

cause i dont want to go def

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gardengnome:

despratehouswife: ah, ok. can you get shell access to the box? maybe there's something else in the mixer turned down you can't set from mythtv.

[16:04:07]

despratehouswife:

i have all access to the mythtv

[16:04:16]

despratehouswife:

its all in front o fme right now

[16:06:18]

gardengnome:

despratehouswife: ok. mythtv is not only the nice user interface you can see on TV, there's more hidden behind the scenes. i'm afraid i'm running out of ideas how to solve it within mythtv

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stuarta:

unless it's managed to record multiple audio streams and the first one is duff

[16:07:20]

gardengnome:

right

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gardengnome:

but it also happens with recordings... humm.

[16:07:55]

gardengnome:

despratehouswife: when you watch tv/a recording, bring up the OSD menu (hit "m") and select a different audio stream/channel.

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shoosh:

got disconected

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shoosh:

i didnt get anything after you asked shell access

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gardengnome:

oh

[16:09:05]

gardengnome:

MythLogBot: info

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gardengnome:

MythLogBot: help

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gardengnome:

MythLogBot: list

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gardengnome:

!trout MythLogBot stupid bot!!

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** MythLogBot slaps MythLogBot with a stupid bot!! trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

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gardengnome:

despratehouswife: umm. anyways. when you watch tv/a recording, please bring up the OSd menu ("m" on the keyboard) and select a different audio stream

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** stuarta suspects gardengnome wants the bot's log **

[16:10:40]

gardengnome:

stuarta: correct.

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despratehousewif:

so i pushed m

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gardengnome:

despratehouswife: you should get a list now... look for something "audio" in there.

[16:11:15]

despratehousewif:

and i am supposed to choose adjust audio sync?

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stuarta:

no

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despratehousewif:

thats what i am getting

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despratehousewif:

thats the only audio something i see

[16:13:10]

gardengnome:

humm

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stuarta:

'+' works when there's no OSD up

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gardengnome:

despratehouswife: do you know what capture card you're using? hauppauge pvr 150, firewire, something else?

[16:13:46]

gardengnome:

maybe DVB?

[16:14:23]

despratehousewif:

no clue

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stuarta:

despratehousewif: get rid of the menu OSD and then press '+'

[16:15:35]

despratehousewif:

i logged out of mythtv

[16:15:42]

despratehousewif:

and started to reboot

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jams:

perhaps its a digital cable box, and the volume on it is it turned down?

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despratehousewif:

no digital cable box

[16:16:00]

despratehousewif:

just modem

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despratehousewif:

i will be moving in a week where i will have digital cable box and i thoiught you couldnt do that

[16:16:38]

despratehousewif:

attach mythtv to cable box

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despratehousewif:

that is

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despratehousewif:

i have a pvr 150

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jams:

forget I said anything, dont' want to start a fight :)

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despratehousewif:

lol

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despratehousewif:

ok jams

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despratehousewif:

its just that my husband came on here a fedw nights ago asking about digital cable and he was told there was no possible way...sp there is huh?

[16:19:57]

gardengnome:

despratehouswife: you can attach mythtv to a digital cable box. either via firewire (mythtv will control the box directly then and get all the video over firewire) or with your pvr 150 + irblaster. mythtv will emulate a remote using the irblaster to switch the box to the right channel – recording will take place over the composite/svideo input of your pvr 150 then.

[16:20:13]

gardengnome:

despratehouswife: heh. then you should impress your husband with some facts tonight.. :)

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despratehousewif:

:0) thanks

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psofa:

despratehousewif, not to sound out of topic but do you look anything like eva longoria?

[16:21:11]

psofa:

:D

[16:21:16]

despratehousewif:

lol, only in your mind

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psofa:

srry had to ask

[16:21:29]

despratehousewif:

im more of the burnette one

[16:21:42]

despratehousewif:

the younger loking ne that it

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Merlin83b:

Eva Longoria? ;-)

[16:21:46]

jams:

laga perhaps the audio device was somehow switched withing the setup screens?

[16:21:46]

gardengnome:

psofa: bah.

[16:21:49]

Merlin83b:

Eva Longoria? ;-)

[16:21:50]

Merlin83b:

Hehe

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gardengnome:

jams: humm. possible...

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Merlin83b:

She being the younger brunette, as opposed to Teri Hatcher.

[16:22:12]

gardengnome:

jams: hard to find out what's going on when she doesn't have shell acess.

[16:22:14]

gardengnome:

access*

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jams:

mythmusic does have its own settings

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jams:

yeah

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jams:

either that or it's a ivtv sound module problem

[16:22:59]

stuarta:

dammit

[16:23:03]

gardengnome:

jams: yep

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gardengnome:

despratehouswife: do you know anything about 'ssh'?

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despratehousewif:

gardengnome hey i have question for you..what is shell

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psofa:

lol

[16:24:31]

despratehousewif:

not to seem dumb or anything

[16:24:40]

stuarta:

!trout myself

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** MythLogBot slaps myself with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[16:24:41]

GreyFoxx:

Hey Juski, how goes the theme?

[16:24:54]

stuarta:

nope

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Imaginativeone:

desperatehousewife: you're just joking...

[16:25:16]

gardengnome:

despratehousewif: shell. umm. something where you can enter commands :) you don't use your mouse like you'd do in windows or KDE/gnome/OS X. it's a text-based user interface.

[16:25:34]

despratehousewif:

like the terminal

[16:25:35]

despratehousewif:

?

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gardengnome:

despratehousewif: exactly! can you get one?

[16:26:02]

despratehousewif:

yes i can

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** stuarta nominates gardengnome for a mythtv-users support guy hat **

[16:26:41]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: I dunno. apparently there's new changes to mythvideo :-|

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gardengnome:

despratehousewif: cool. then.. exit from mythfrontend, open a shell and type "mythfrontend". start to watch a recording/livetv and you should get some meaningful debugging messages about audio output.

[16:27:15]

gardengnome:

stuarta: hehe. it distracts me from cleaning my desk... i love procrastination :)

[16:27:16]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: just doing a build of a checkout I just grabbed :)

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Juski:

why put off til tomorrow what you can do today? Procrastinate NOW

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despratehousewif:

ok

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: if there's a deadline I'll do my damndest to make it. got a 4 day weekend ahead.. if I can get out of gardening duty

[16:29:59]

despratehousewif:

then what

[16:30:28]

GreyFoxx:

Juski: I just commited that -G parameter seconds before I asked, if you wanna try that as well ;)

[16:30:59]

** Juski tries not to feel stressed out **

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gardengnome:

despratehousewif: you don't see anything about audio output? then please put all those messages on www.pastebin.ca

[16:31:06]

Juski:

keep still dammit!

[16:31:08]

Juski:

;-)

[16:31:11]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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psofa:

not to sound idiot but maybe the speakers got pluged off ? :D

[16:31:37]

GreyFoxx:

My home machine shave been getting 1 to 2 updates a day for the last week heh

[16:31:42]

Juski:

actually no if I make it I make it.. if not, there's always 0.21 :)

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GreyFoxx:

arg, typo!

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** jams agrees **

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gardengnome:

psofa: sound works during bootup

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Juski:

ssh hairybox -l mythuser

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psofa:

ah ok :)

[16:32:26]

Juski:

damn... hostname changed after the shave

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Juski:

ssh brazillian -l mythuser

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stuarta:

hehe, I installed 10920 5hrs ago, and I'm already out of date....

[16:33:08]

Juski:

the sense of mass updating is tangible isn't it?

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** GreyFoxx commits a fix for his typo **

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GreyFoxx:

doh

[16:33:39]

Juski:

actually keep checking code in that needs testing to give me more time :-P

[16:33:45]

psofa:

gardengnome, then she could open alsamixer and see if volume is ok?

[16:34:01]

stuarta:

yeah, well it's getting chilly, ie. not quite frozen

[16:34:04]

gardengnome:

psofa: that's what i was gonna suggest... as soon as i've seen the logs :)

[16:34:30]

psofa:

btw despratehousewif do you need a gardener? xD

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stuarta:

or a gnome

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stuarta:

!trout GreyFoxx must-compile-before-checkin

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** MythLogBot slaps GreyFoxx with a must-compile-before-checkin trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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** psofa hits his head on the wall :" Damn it forget about longoria!" **

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despratehousewif:

it said audio streem at top of screen

[16:35:59]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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stuarta:

psofa: go down the shops and buy yourself a magazine.

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Juski:

line 310/310 (100%), col 1/1 (100%), char 18920/18920 (100%)

[16:36:41]

psofa:

stuarta, or just open livetv on my myth box

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psofa:

:D

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Juski:

right now I just need a parser (still). duh

[16:37:05]

gardengnome:

despratehousewif: you can scroll up using your mouse (duh) or those pageup/down keys

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Juski:

oh shit. just looked at an XML::parser tutorial & now I'm really confused

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despratehousewif:

im lost

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gardengnome:

despratehousewif: ah, well. ok, let's try something different. exit from mythfrontend (again) and type "alsamixer" in a terminal. hit return. make sure that those mixers are setup correctly – eg "master" and "pcm".

[16:41:40]

despratehousewif:

i have seen my husband type this in would it work ivtvctl --log-status

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gbee:

damn ... I was tidying up some code the other day, just realised/remember why the code I removed was necessary

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fysa:

with XvMC and nvidia, are you guys still using the default -lXvMCW or -lXvMCNVIDIA?

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gardengnome:

despratehousewif: try alsamixer first... ivtvctl is a tool to configure your TV capture card

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fysa:

I just tried with -lXvMCNVIDIA and video is now grayscale with vertical green lines going through it.

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tank-man:

are ati gfx cards unable to display video in corner while browsing program guide?

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despratehousewif:

i am on the alsoamixer

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dev:

my radeon9500 does preview fine

[16:49:23]

despratehousewif:

i mean alsamixew

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despratehousewif:

lol how ever you spell it

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dev:

alsamixer? :)

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despratehousewif:

yeah

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dev:

i have no problems with my ati card as long as i use the fglrx driver from ati

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despratehousewif:

thats good dev

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tank-man:

ok

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tank-man:

i just get garbled video

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despratehousewif:

so what am i looking for gardengnome?

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psofa:

despratehousewif, for something thats muted or too low

[16:52:33]

jg555:

Been having problems with zap2it today, anyone else having this issue or an idea of a fix http://pastebin.ca/146464

[16:52:42]

despratehousewif:

well there are 8 line right

[16:52:50]

despratehousewif:

that are vertical

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tank-man:

despratehousewif, did you turn up the volume with the keyboard? f10/f11 keys?

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tank-man:

in mythtv

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despratehousewif:

i normally use the volume keys on my key board

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jg555:

The problem just started this morning

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despratehousewif:

nothing is muted

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despratehousewif:

i have checked

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gardengnome:

despratehousewif: humm. and none of these "bars" is set to 0%? or, say, lower than 50%? and no "m" to be seen?

[16:54:50]

despratehousewif:

a few o f them are blank

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despratehousewif:

only like 2 of them have colors in them

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tank-man:

jg555, is your zap2it subscription still valid?

[16:55:32]

tank-man:

like is it up for renew?

[16:55:36]

gardengnome:

despratehousewif: humm. which ones are blank?

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jg555:

tank-man yes

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tank-man:

i dont know then :(

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despratehousewif:

ummm

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jg555:

Subscription Expires: 2006/11/03

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jg555:

tank-man, it doesn't make sense at all

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despratehousewif:

there are 3 of them with the ketter c over them

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despratehousewif:

on is master1 i think the letters are blurry cause i am starring at my tv screen

[16:57:28]

gardengnome:

despratehousewif: the description can be found *under* these bars, with a blue background.

[16:57:28]

jg555:

I've used iptraf to watch the packets, it shows a reset during transmission then just stops

[16:58:12]

gardengnome:

despratehousewif: master1 is "blank"? then use the arrow keys to turn up the volume. what about the others?

[16:58:20]

despratehousewif:

i hop i get this right

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despratehousewif:

master 1, 3d conts, 3dconts, 3d contsd, surround, surround

[16:59:43]

gardengnome:

despratehousewif: which ones are turned up? "master" and "pcm"?

[16:59:50]

despratehousewif:

yes

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gardengnome:

despratehousewif: that looks fine :/ turn up "master 1" just for fun and start mythfrontend to see if it's working

[17:00:43]

despratehousewif:

pcm is turned up almost all the way and master is almost halfway

[17:00:56]

despratehousewif:

how do i turn it up?

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gardengnome:

despratehousewif: arrow keys

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despratehousewif:

not working still

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tank-man:

try the f10 or f11 keys after when watching video in mythtv

[17:03:47]

gardengnome:

despratehousewif: annoying. ok. the speakers are plugged in, right?

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despratehousewif:

yes

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despratehousewif:

there are sound coming from speakers when booting

[17:04:22]

gardengnome:

despratehousewif: and they worked when you start the computer, right? you can hear something? ah, ok. i see.

[17:04:23]

despratehousewif:

just not when mythtv is on

[17:04:41]

despratehousewif:

this sucks

[17:04:42]

despratehousewif:

lol

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tank-man:

try f10 and f11 for volume in mythtv

[17:05:02]

Kyler:

Is there a good reference for how to transcode (using nuvexport) MythTV recordings so that MS Windows users can view them? My wife is trying to show a news clip in her class tomorrow and there's a Windows machine in the room.

[17:05:05]

gardengnome:

despratehousewif: try what tank-man said, if you haven't already.

[17:05:43]

tank-man:

Kyler, nuvexport is just a perl script, you need the depenancy apps installed

[17:05:45]

despratehousewif:

nothing

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Kyler:

tank-man: I'm aware of that. I'm looking for help creating files that MS users can view.

[17:06:36]

gardengnome:

despratehousewif: do you have an old recording? one where you are *sure* that sound used to work?

[17:06:47]

tank-man:

any files outputed from nuxexport can be played in windows

[17:07:07]

gardengnome:

tank-man: no. i don't think so... maybe you'll need additional codecs.

[17:07:17]

gardengnome:

s/maybe/likely/

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Kyler:

Right. She's playing one now and only getting audio.

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tank-man:

export it to mpeg1, virgin windows setup can play that

[17:08:28]

Kyler:

MPEG1 is a little huge.

[17:08:34]

despratehousewif:

so i wanted to look into the audi ste up n myth tv

[17:08:55]

tank-man:

then install the codecs on the windows box if you can

[17:09:18]

GreyFoxx:

Kyler: You can use nuvexport to convert to an xvid/avi, or if you are using aPVR card and it's already mpeg2 you can just use a player that can play that

[17:09:21]

despratehousewif:

audio setup

[17:09:25]

Kyler:

tank-man: That's the point. It's not managed by me. I'm looking for help creating files that *can* be played already.

[17:09:44]

despratehousewif:

it says audio output device /dev/dsp

[17:09:52]

tank-man:

you are stuck with mpg1 then

[17:09:56]

Kyler:

GreyFoxx: I have it in MPEG2. I'm hoping I can put it in something a bit more efficient.

[17:10:03]

despratehousewif:

then it gives me 3 options

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GreyFoxx:

Kyler: Then nuvexport is likely your best option.

[17:10:24]

despratehousewif:

enable ac3 to spdif passthrough

[17:10:35]

Kyler:

GreyFoxx: Yes, the question is what nuvexport options do I use?

[17:10:41]

gardengnome:

despratehousewif: nope.

[17:10:41]

despratehousewif:

agressive sound card buffering

[17:10:44]

GreyFoxx:

Kyler: BUT usually you have to install a codec on the windows machine to make it play divx, xvid etc

[17:10:54]

GreyFoxx:

the default windows codec support kinda sucks

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despratehousewif:

use internal volume controls

[17:11:01]

gardengnome:

despratehousewif: i think you're looking for "audio device" or something – sorry, i only know the german terms.

[17:11:17]

Kyler:

O.k., so the bottom line is that Windows doesn't come with any low bandwidth codecs that nuvexport supports, right?

[17:11:17]

gardengnome:

despratehousewif: it should be on the same screen.

[17:11:31]

GreyFoxx:

Kyler: Pretty much

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GreyFoxx:

install an xvid codec and you're gold

[17:12:02]

Kyler:

Grr...I'm not happy with the answer but I appreciate the confirmation.

[17:12:23]

GreyFoxx:

DRM working for you

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Kyler:

What does it have to do with DRM?

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GreyFoxx:

They don't include mpeg2 support for example due to DRM and licensing issues

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despratehousewif:

brb

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jg555:

tank-man: I think I just figured it out, looks like they having issues, doing a traceroute it shows a lot of timeouts

[17:13:01]

GreyFoxx:

same for most other codecs

[17:13:05]

Kyler:

licensing I can see

[17:13:17]

Kyler:

MPEG2 isn't even included?!

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GreyFoxx:

Correct

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tank-man:

jg555, sucks

[17:13:25]

Kyler:

That was going to be my fallback.

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GreyFoxx:

last I looked mpeg2 is not natively supported

[17:13:36]

ivor_:

GreyFoxx: mpeg2 removal is usually due to patent licensing costs rather than drm.

[17:13:46]

GreyFoxx:

which is why you can buy an mpeg2 codec

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tank-man:

jg555, mythfilldatabase working for me right now

[17:14:02]

jg555:

I was starting to wonder if it was my network

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** ivor_ scrolls back and reads same comment. :) **

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Aid`:

Does anyone in here use a DVB-S card and can help me out with a few things?

[17:14:59]

GreyFoxx:

Kyler: If the machine has DVD player software then a MPEG2 codec has likely been installed

[17:14:59]

Kyler:

Just in case I can get a codec on these Windows machines...any advice? I'd like to put MPlayer on them but just a codec for whatever's already configured is probably better. Are any of them known to be good and safe?

[17:15:37]

Kyler:

GreyFoxx: Ah! Good point. I'll throw an MPEG2 file somewhere and have her check.

[17:15:41]

GreyFoxx:

Well, mplayer comes with mpeg2 support, not sure if it still requires you to install a seperate mpeg44 codec or not

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tank-man:

vlc can play mpeg2

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gardengnome:

Kyler: mplayer... IIRC, mplayer doesn't even need an install. so you could probably create a CD that automagically plays the video...

[17:16:28]

Kyler:

gardengnome: Good idea. I'd like to send her out into the world with a USB drive that will handle such things.

[17:16:30]

GreyFoxx:

and you can just drag and drop the file onto the mplayer app

[17:17:08]

Kyler:

tank-man: VLC would be nice because she could easily view streaming video.

[17:17:37]

Kyler:

I'd like this to be integrated with the browser she uses though so it seems like a codec is the way to go.

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Imaginativeone:

once I get a Video Capture card, will I be ready to install MythTV?

[17:18:42]

Kyler:

Hmmm...if I ran Firefox and MPlayer from a USB drive I'd be o.k....

[17:19:19]

gardengnome:

Kyler: there's a special version of firefox that's supposed to be installed on an usb stick

[17:19:40]

Kyler:

gardengnome: I'll look. Thanks for the help, all.

[17:20:20]

Imaginativeone:

will I need additional hardware for my pc?

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tank-man:

Imaginativeone, no

[17:22:19]

Imaginativeone:

wow! that's great...just the regular pc with integrated video card & additional capture card

[17:22:48]

Imaginativeone:

do I need to call Comcast to install a cabletv feed from the basement?

[17:23:08]

tank-man:

where ever your pc is

[17:23:12]

Imaginativeone:

or will the internet feed suffice...

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Imaginativeone:

thanks tank man

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tank-man:

Imaginativeone, try spliting the internet feed and see if you get cable

[17:24:00]

Imaginativeone:

will try it

[17:24:07]

tank-man:

i get it

[17:24:19]

tank-man:

shaw cable in canada

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Imaginativeone:

can I get away with using my 500MHz machine as a client?

[17:24:40]

Imaginativeone:

with the 2.13GHz machine as a server...

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tank-man:

depends on what capture format you using

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Juski:

bugger. xml fields can't have commas in em

[17:25:15]

Imaginativeone:

I'm hoping to have minimal machines on the upstairs tvs with the server in the basement

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Imaginativeone:

all communicating over wifi

[17:25:32]

Imaginativeone:

is that doable?

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tank-man:

most popular card is mpeg2 hardware cards. 500mhz pc cant play mpeg 2 i think

[17:25:42]

Juski:

nope it's not commas screwing it up.. damn

[17:25:54]

Imaginativeone:

tank-man: thanks for the tip

[17:26:03]

Imaginativeone:

looks like I'll need two new systems

[17:26:06]

tank-man:

yea, i stream tv (mpeg2, sdtv) over wifi to my laptops

[17:26:06]

fysa:

the 500MHz machine would probably be better suited for the server with a hardware MPEG-2 card

[17:26:08]

Juski:

500mhz can play back mpeg2.. with a little help from Nvidia & XvMC

[17:26:43]

Imaginativeone:

Juski: I has hoping to use Hauppauge 250 for all systems

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Imaginativeone:

to minimize the confusion with my newbieness

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fysa:

for all systems? you only need to capture in one

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Juski:

just have one backend with multiple tuner/capture devices in it

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Imaginativeone:

hmm...

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Juski:

and then have multiple frontends :)

[17:28:03]

Imaginativeone:

so on my frontends I might have to upgrade the video cards?

[17:28:25]

Imaginativeone:

especially the 500MHz-special

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fysa:

GeForce 4 or later with XvMC should be fine

[17:28:50]

Imaginativeone:

cool...thanks a bunch

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Imaginativeone:

you all should set up a donation link

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Imaginativeone:

so folks can show their "appreciation"

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tank-man:

moded xbox1 works fine as a frontend too

[17:30:02]

Imaginativeone:

hmm...don't have an xbox1, but maybe I should get one...

[17:30:10]

Imaginativeone:

nice and small as a frontend

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tank-man:

small? lol

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tank-man:

i consider xbox1 as big

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Imaginativeone:

oh.

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fysa:

smaller than an ATX case ;)

[17:31:24]

Imaginativeone:

heh heh...yes

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Imaginativeone:

I'm still looking for something megasmall

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ivor_:

nano.

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Imaginativeone:

I could use an ipon nano as a frontend for my TV??

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Imaginativeone:

how does that work?

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ivor_:

nano-itx

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tank-man:

Imaginativeone, i've seen scripts/howtos to transcode recorded shows and export them and sync them with ipod videos

[17:35:29]

Kyler:

Anyone using a Mini-box? I have one (and about 60 on order...) I haven't tried it with Myth yet. It's small and cheap though.

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xris:

Imaginativeone: xbox and "small" do not go together in my book

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Imaginativeone:

thanks for ALL the extremely cool information

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Imaginativeone:

Kyler: are you setting up MythTV for people as a business?

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Kyler:

Imaginativeone: Nope. I just use it at home. (I need to help a friend with his though. I've put him off too long.)

[17:37:58]

Imaginativeone:

ah – I was just wondering about the 60 cases...

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Kyler:

student labs

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Imaginativeone:

of course

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Imaginativeone:

at Munchkin University

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Juski:

damn xml.. harder than it looks

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antiPosi1:

I went to Maruchan University

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antiPosi1:

I didnt get accepted to Nissan or Top

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** antiPosi1 does a highhat drum ta-tum **

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fysa:

:P

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xris:

any PHP devs looking for work in the Seattle area should msg me — I'll be hiring soon and as usual am announcing this first in the mythtv community.

[17:49:02]

Juski:

so erm... what's the new mythvideo stuff then? I've just built it & I've not seen any segfaults in a quick test

[17:49:54]

Juski:

just extra info on the pages?

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fysa:

xris. You run a development/contracting firm? I've got a couple people in Seattle looking for someone to work with.

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fysa:

not employees, but companies needing development — though it may be mostly MS-related.

[17:51:45]

GreyFoxx:

Juski: I think Anduin commited some changes to a couple of the themes for it, might be able to check the diffs

[17:52:33]

GreyFoxx:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/10921

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Juski:

ah yes just those. cool

[17:52:55]

Juski:

not take long to add them

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Juski:

I give up on this xml crap for now. time to eat

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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xris:

fysa: no, I'm the lead dev for siliconmechanics.com

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xris:

I'm just looking for a new minion

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xris:

my manager stole kormoc from me for SA work

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jams:

heh couldn't find one so they just used kormoc

[18:17:18]

jams:

?

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xris:

google stole all of the ones we wanted to hire

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xris:

so we promoted kormoc

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gardengnome:

well, google has good food... :)O

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antiPosi1:

is transcoding nice'd?

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antiPosi1:

be default

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gardengnome:

i think so.

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antiPosi1:

when invoked from within mythtv

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gardengnome:

xris: what's SA? *blush*

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xris:

sysadmin

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gardengnome:

ah, ok. thanks :)

[18:24:07]

antiPosi1:

I wish I had a screen in mythtv that gave me a table of currently happening things.

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antiPosi1:

like what is being commercial flagged and transcoded

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antiPosi1:

and maybe a percentage complete too

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GreyFoxx:

antiPosi1: It;'s in the status screen

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antiPosi1:

and perhaps a nice level

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Trip__:

whats the source.list of mythtv ??? ?? PLZ HELP source unavaileble

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GreyFoxx:

shows jobs, and status

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antiPosi1:

under System Info?

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Trip__:

ubuntu

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GreyFoxx:

antiPosi1: TV -> System Status on mine

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GreyFoxx:

And you can check the Job Queue info

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gardengnome:

Trip__: read the channel faq, please. its URL can be found in the /topic

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GreyFoxx:

What is a source.list file ?

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: you enter your repositories for apt-get there

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gardengnome:

debian stuff :)

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GreyFoxx:

Ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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Trip__:

deb http://hamsta.net/mythtv/files/dapper ./

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scales:

two questions. i am still having trouble with my lirc. i placed the files in the correct locations i believe, /etc/lircd.conf, /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc, irw works, but myth does not. thoughts? also myth does not allow me to use both of my capture cards. my pvr150 works fine, but my wintvgo which works native does not work in myth. when i do setup i can see it and it will scan for channels but i cannot use it while i

[18:32:02]

Trip__:

?

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Trip__:

gardengnome: the list of sources could not been read when i add deb http://hamsta.net/mythtv/files/dapper

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gardengnome:

Trip__: can't help ya.

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scales:

two questions. i am still having trouble with my lirc. i placed the files in the correct locations i believe, /etc/lircd.conf, /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc, irw works, but myth does not. thoughts? also myth does not allow me to use both of my capture cards. my pvr150 works fine, but my wintvgo which works native does not work in myth. when i do setup i can see it and it will scan for channels but i cannot use it while i

[18:53:19]

Juski:

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm chilli :)

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** gardengnome has got tears in his eyes. too.. much... entertainment **

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xris:

Trip__: fyi, Chutt is Isaac Richards, the guy in charge of mythtv

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Juski:

I am sitting further back in my chair since looking into the forums. Somebody said 'thanks' to me

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Trip__:

i just want to know what the source.list is and thats all then i can type apt-get install mythtv*

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gardengnome:

Juski: wow! congrats.

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xris:

Trip__: yeah, so when everyone tells you to ask HERE instead, don't be an a$$ and start talking back.

[18:56:52]

Trip__:

here i have: cant help ya

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Juski:

hmmm.. which kind of xml drudge should I inflict on myself now I'm back? theme or automagic-coniguramator?

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fysa:

Trip: google.com can help you.

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dev:

xml drugs?

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gardengnome:

Trip__: i said "cant help ya" because i can't explain every detail of your ubuntu install to you. i'm sorry, but that'd be too much..

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Trip__:

fysa: im googlin for 3 days

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Trip__:

just a source.list

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xris:

Trip__: how about you just compile from source?

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fysa:

In keeping with UnitedHealth Group's long-standing focus on improving health and well-being, our company continues to value the critical role community-based organizations play in improving the lives of millions of Americans. Supporting local charities helps us fulfill our mission and is an expression of our corporate values.

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fysa:

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fysa:

While each of us is different and have different resources that we feel comfortable giving, we are all similar in that we can each do something. This year, we hope that you will take the opportunity to participate in the UnitedHealth Group employee giving campaign which will take place from October 3rd through the 21st. Participating in the giving campaign is easy, and this site provides a full range of giving options.

[18:58:18]

fysa:

[18:58:20]

fysa:

It only takes a few minutes to make a lasting difference in the lives of people in need.

[18:58:22]

fysa:

[18:58:24]

fysa:

Helping people . . . it just makes sense.

[18:58:26]

fysa:

ach

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fysa:

sorry

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fysa:

was trying to help Trip.. :P

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fysa:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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gardengnome:

!trout fysa :)

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** MythLogBot slaps fysa with a :) trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

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xris:

happy trout?

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dev:

ACK MY SCROLL EYES

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fysa:

MUHAHA YOU MUST READ NOW ABOUT UNITEDHEALTH GROUP

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Juski:

wow. that text needed parsing first

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fysa:

:/

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Trip__:

Page not found

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Trip__:

The page you are looking for might have been removed,

[18:59:32]

Trip__:

had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable

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Juski:

Trip__: works here

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fysa:

I think you've been banned from the internet, trip.

[19:00:15]

gardengnome:

Trip__: you're from .be... you don't happen to speak german, do you? there's a german ubuntu guide to mythtv i could recommend...

[19:00:18]

fysa:

http://www.quietglow.com/docs/ubuntumythtv.html

[19:00:19]

Trip__:

http://linpvr.org/dnload/releases/0.19-12/

[19:00:40]

Trip__:

where

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Trip__:

its dutch

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gardengnome:

no, it's not. :)

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Trip__:

yes it its

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Trip__:

germen is the country near belguim

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Trip__:

german

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Juski:

y

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gardengnome:

it's still not dutch. :)

[19:01:54]

fysa:

Sprechen sie deutsch?

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Trip__:

nein

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Trip__:

ik spreek wel nederlands

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fysa:

hva du fjordet?

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** stuarta looks for the asbestos suit **

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** xris wonders when this became #mythtv-no-english **

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gardengnome:

xris: que?

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Anduin:

Juski: The only real change was adding a no cover art and no IMDB filter selector (which involved moving all the other items on that page a little to make room), a theme should have these as I didn't code around handling a saved filter but no UI to change it.

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fysa:

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gardengnome:

fysa: ahahahaha :)

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gardengnome:

Faithful: i love that song.

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gardengnome:

err, fysa* sorry.

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fysa:

haha

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** stuarta wonders if there's something other than tea in tis cup... **

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fysa:

aw

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** xris goes to find food **

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Juski:

Anduin: there was no need to explain why you did it fella – I was only play moaning about the changes ;) Just so long as there are examples (which there are) :)

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stuarta:

and back to our regularly scheduled programming....

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Juski:

newsflash! I made something parse some xml... now to do something useful widdit

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gardengnome:

standing ovations :)

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** gardengnome claps **

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fred_basset:

ooo Juski's becoming a programmer :)

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Juski:

nah I just rob the right code from the right tutorial & changify it

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Juski:

would it be wasteful to read a whole xml file into an array & then do the search thru the array?

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Anduin:

Juski: Sorry, didn't read much more than what was around my highlighted name.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Juski: it almost sounds as if you are parsing xml manually :S

[19:14:43]

Juski:

RaYmAn-Bx: you bloody do it then

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Juski:

;)

[19:15:02]

RaYmAn-Bx:

there are millions of standard libraries to parse (well..traverse) xml =P

[19:15:30]

Juski:

I'm using XML::Simple – I just didn't have a clue how to use it til now

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Anduin:

Juski: Reading the whole thing in is what people complain about with DOM

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jams:

millions ?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

jams: almost :P

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Juski:

the online documentation is as clear as a jarfull of slug-filled muddy water

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fred_basset:

mmmm tasty

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Juski:

./test M40

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Juski:

region name: North West — xmltvid: north-west.bbc1.bbc.co.uk

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Juski:

fred_basset: 1st section of yer postcode please...?

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Juski:

nm

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fred_basset:

cr0

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Juski:

xmltvid: london.bbc1.bbc.co.uk

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Juski:

would that be right?

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fred_basset:

yup

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PeterC:

Hello! I have an onboard nVidia 6150 which is capable of outputting component. Is it something I have to configure in the xorg.conf to enable this because the signal I get on the TV is only in blue color.

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fred_basset:

can see crystal palace from my window

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Juski:

fred_basset: cool. step one is complete (ish)

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fred_basset:

Juski: autoconfig of tv_grab_uk_rt ???

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Juski:

fred_basset: yup. and lots more besides when I really get cracking

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Juski:

provider/package -> channel lineups

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fysa:

PeterC: Option "TVOutFormat" "SVIDEO"

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fysa:

I use that to force S-Video on my ASUS 6150.

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fysa:

There may be a "COMPONENT" option or something.

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fysa:

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:3_hHg-6Do . . . nt=firefox-a

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Juski:

fred_basset: the source files were too much of a mare to be able to do a simple grep through.. the postcodes are on multiple lines and are numerous. So I hit on the idea of storing them in xml format – which could become a standard way for everybody – not just the peeps (peep) making scripts for the UK

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fysa:

TVStandard maybe instead.

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PeterC:

fysa: I have tried "SVIDEO" but I get no signal at all then. "COMPONENT" is not supported.

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jams:

PeterC- one moment while I find my x config file for ya

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jams:

need to boot the machine first

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PeterC:

jams: Thanks!

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Juski:

and anyway... I know there are prolly other things that need fixing first, but this is about all I can do with my puny brain right now :)

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jams:

PeterC- nevermind, forgot I moved it to svideo :(

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PeterC:

jams: OK

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fysa:

which board are you using, peterc?

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fysa:

the MSI?

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PeterC:

fysa: Gigabyte GA-K8N51PVMT-9

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PeterC:

fysa: It has a special output with a box for SVIDEO and COMPONENT.

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fysa:

Option "TVStandard" "HD1080i"

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PeterC:

fysa: Was that one for me?

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fysa:

yeah, try that

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fysa:

are you using 1080i?

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fysa:

there are others supported.

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PeterC:

fysa: No, plain PAL 720x576

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fysa:

HD576i/HD576p are supported also

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Steak:

has anyone here tried a Radeon 9600 AIW on linux?

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PeterC:

fysa: OK, I will try

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Steak:

I have that with an ATi Wonder Remote and I was somewhat reluctant to move over cause of driver issues

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fysa:

peterc: http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:k67EENAeX . . . nt=firefox-a

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fysa:

that may help

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xris:

Steak: the all in wonders don't work so well in linux

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Juski:

not even ATI have tried a Radeon 9600 AIW on linux I expect

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Juski:

oo the ideas are a-flowin now

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Juski:

bah I should be theming instead

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Juski:

fred_basset: whaddya reckon to something like this format, for lists of channels, providers & cack? http://pastebin.ca/146683

[20:02:43]

fred_basset:

seems okay....

[20:03:16]

fred_basset:

though I'm not exactly an xmltv expert :)

[20:03:46]

Juski:

there might already be a standard for channel classifications.. I'll look into that

[20:04:08]

Juski:

loads of legwork to start with, but once it's done :)

[20:04:24]

Juski:

wizards!

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Steak:

yeah I was concerned about that

[20:05:56]

Steak:

I'm just running windows media center now, not particularly impressed

[20:06:16]

Steak:

but unfortunately the remote is kind of essential in running a TV

[20:06:40]

Juski:

heheh. no client/client/client/client/server/server/server/server option with MCE.. lol

[20:07:35]

Juski:

the remote will prolly work very well in linux, so it's not all bad news

[20:07:43]

PeterC:

fysa: Should I put "HD576i" in the Screen, Monitor or Device section

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Juski:

Steak: I hope you can get your money back

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fred_basset:

didn't think they'd made them for a few years...

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Juski:

ATI have just spun out some more tuner cards that'll prolly never work in Linux :-|

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Steak:

is nvidia any better about linux support?

[20:12:18]

Juski:

for their tuner stuff? nope

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mlehrer:

they're about equal i think

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Juski:

nvidia were first to the party but they keep breaking stuff

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** xris gave up on tuner cards altogether. firewire rocks **

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fred_basset:

dvb rocks

[20:15:14]

fred_basset:

though the providers are a pain in the arse

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Juski:

STBs which deliver mpeg2 over IP _should_ rock, but they sadly suck hard

[20:22:50]

Juski:

Anduin: I think I'm gonna need some help figuring out what's supposed to be going on here

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Anduin:

Juski: Do you override video-ui.xml?

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Juski:

Anduin: yup

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Anduin:

Juski: Just crap the two new selectors and labels in.

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Anduin:

hmm an m

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Juski:

I put one of the other fields in, from like line 1008 in minimalist-wide/video-ui.xml ... I get a bit of text saying 'Result' onscreen.. is that the intended effect?

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Anduin:

Juski: No, the Result item should be overwritten immediately by MythVideo (so you should never see it)

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Juski:

I think I might need to upload my video-ui.xml for you to look at to give me pointers. I might be missing other stuff too

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Anduin:

Juski: anything to delay painting.

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sigger:

Juski: what video player do you use on your EPIA? xine, mplayer, Internal?

[20:27:25]

Juski:

sigger: xine

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Juski:

Anduin: www.juski.co.uk/video-ui.xml

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Juski:

oh farq. pastebin might've been better

[20:28:13]

Juski:

then we get line nos

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Juski:

one sec

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Anduin:

Juski: vi will give them to me

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Juski:

ah

[20:29:08]

Juski:

okees

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sigger:

thx.

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Anduin:

Juski: If you are seeing Result it isn't from that video-ui.xml file, your file still has the French text.

[20:31:57]

Juski:

I reverted the change back :)

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Anduin:

Juski: regardless you shouldn't be seeing Result (no one should really ever see it)

[20:33:28]

Anduin:

And hey I did leave some of the French in the error messages.

[20:34:47]

Juski:

this is the price I pay for altering my theme file so much from the original ... makes it hard to diff & find out what's _really_ changed

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Anduin:

Juski: Yes :)

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Juski:

I can't even remember what the original was

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Anduin:

Juski: Really the only change is the two new selectors and labels, the rest of the changes were to make it more diffable for me between the versions that are in SVN

[20:36:12]

Juski:

heh

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Juski:

right

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Juski:

so in <container name="filter_container"> I need a new one – numvideos_text right?

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Anduin:

Juski: They diff fine for me (yours vs what is in SVN now)

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Juski:

so that bit should show when I select 'filter display'...

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Anduin:

Juski: Yup

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Juski:

right I've moved it to the same position as "result of this filter"

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damian666:

hi folks, how do i get mythtv to transcode my movies (hauppauge pvr-500 (mpg files)) automatically to xvid ? somehow the transcode option did not really do anything, does it need special options ? googled alot, but most probably i used the wrong keywords ;)

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damian666:

hmm sorry i meant my recordings from live-tv instead of movies

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fred_basset:

at the moment there isn't a direct, easily accessible method to do that

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fred_basset:

you will have to write yourself a user job to do it.

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Anduin:

damian666: mythexport can probably do it (I don't use it)

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damian666:

ok what do that options then mean "transcode" is that just for ads ? or what else ?

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fred_basset:

it can convert to mpeg4

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fred_basset:

or do straight mpeg2->mpeg2 (aka ad removal)

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Aid`:

Anyone here have a DVB-S card and can help me with the problem mine is having?

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damian666:

fred_basset: ok it can translate to mpeg4 what is the result as filename is it still mpeg or should i get an avi or what ?

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PeterC:

fysa: I put Option TVStandard "HD576i" in the Device section of my xorg.conf and everything works excellent! Thank you very much for the help!

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sigger:

Who wants to play "Spend Sigger's money"?

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Hoxzer:

I just plaid Il-2 :O

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sigger:

Ready to buy a kicking new Myth PC for family room and could use help picking stuff out.

[20:57:38]

Hoxzer:

it was really interesting I spended like 15mins to find enemy plane when he was in the other altitude

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Hoxzer:

:( and meanwhile they dropped our bombers

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fred_basset:

damian666: it'll come out as an mpeg4

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Juski:

Anduin: argghhh! don't you dare make any more selectors ;)

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damian666:

Anduin: does mythexport supporting transcoding and save them with an automatical filename containing at least the series name and possibly airdate (or whatever is stored in the mythconverg database ?)

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damian666:

fred_basset: as *.avi ? or *.mpg ?

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Anduin:

Juski: It took me several hours to finish and test those two minor things, I'll be avoiding that for some time.

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fred_basset:

mpg

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sigger:

Here's the specs for the system, if anyone is interested in helping: http://pastebin.ca/146755

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fred_basset:

sorry .nuv

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Anduin:

damian666: I don't use it, just offering it up as something to look at.

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Juski:

Anduin: :) (phew!)

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damian666:

fred_basset: i have a pvr-500 mythtv save it as mpg file will it be still nuv or mpg then ?

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Anduin:

Juski: On the bright side it gives me incentive to care about however the new UI stuff will work.

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fred_basset:

damian666: when recorded it'll be an mpg, after transcoding to mpeg4 it's nuv

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fred_basset:

which is mpeg4 in a nuv container

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damian666:

ok thanks alot for that info, well never got a nuv file since i used the pvr then something with the transcoding process itself has a problem i suggest

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fred_basset:

!trout ircserver netsplit

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** MythLogBot slaps ircserver with a netsplit trout on behalf of fred_basset... **

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Juski:

right just the labels to add in...

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Juski:

theming is bad for your health. it makes you smoke more

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Juski:

hmmm actually.. there's nothing to say the selector list has to be _vertical_ in a theme is there?

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Juski:

nope :)

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Juski:

result!

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sigger:

no takers on "Spend Sigger's Money", huh? Only Mrs. Sigger.

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kormoc:

sigger, heh, you don't have a budget listed

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sigger:

not actually the most important component. that's kinda why I thought it might be a little fun

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sigger:

Its driving a honkin big, expensive television so a few extra hundred $ here or there isn't as remotely as important as picture quality.

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kormoc:

sigger, okay, I'll part up my 'dream' frontend for ya then :P

[21:18:43]

sigger:

Cool!

[21:19:52]

sigger:

Size and quiet are the other 2 major necessities.

[21:22:28]

Juski:

Anduin: could I trouble you for a screenshot please? ;)

[21:23:16]

Anduin:

Juski: It would be the same one you'd see!

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Juski:

okay then... I've messed up the select boxes

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Juski:

which order do they get highlighted in? the order they appear in the select box section or in the code?

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Anduin:

Besides I might inadvertently reveal how many romantic comedies I have.

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Juski:

lol

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Anduin:

Juski: Yes

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Juski:

the first?

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Anduin:

Juski: The order in the XML file.

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** Juski slaps his head **

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** stuarta slaps Juski's head **

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Juski:

you know.. I should've just ripped it out of another theme. DUH

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Anduin:

Yeah something has to control that and doing it in code wouldn't make themer freaks happy.

[21:26:12]

Anduin:

Yeah, part of why I was careful not to move selectable items

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Anduin:

also the reason people get to violate the y order in the XML file (most of my changes were to make the XML file read like the screen)

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** Juski robs minimalist-wide's filter container **

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Juski:

I love the GPL :)

[21:29:19]

Sebulba02:

hah

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stuarta:

that's code reuse :)

[21:29:59]

Sebulba02:

in the worst way..

[21:30:26]

stuarta:

4 episodes down, 2 to go. man I love timestretch

[21:30:34]

kormoc:

sigger, well, it's small, and quiet, and ungodly powerful, and ungodly costly...

[21:30:47]

Juski:

Sebulba02: I can't wait to see your themes man

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sigger:

oooh, ungodly wasn't on the list ;)

[21:31:13]

Sebulba02:

Juski: I'm crazy, but not THAT crazy. I looked at ui.xml and swore I'd never do that again.

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kormoc:

sigger, current cost is hovering around $2700, let me drop that down a tad ;)

[21:31:34]

sigger:

but I've gotta believe there's way to tweak it down. whatcha got

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Juski:

Sebulba02: so shut up about reusing code then ;)

[21:33:32]

Sebulba02:

Fair enough.

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kormoc:

sigger, okay, it's down to $1,150 or so

[21:34:35]

sigger:

ah, cool

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sigger:

link?

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kormoc:

sigger, http://pastebin.ca/146789

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kormoc:

still ungodly powerful, and not /too/ bad in cost

[21:42:26]

sigger:

kormoc: looks interesting. will it run cool? I keep hearing about intel's as power hungry. similar concern re vid card

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sigger:

ooh, its called a SILENT card. thats a good start!

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kormoc:

sigger, the conroes (cure duo 2) procs, are quite energy effecent. They use about 40% less power then the pentium-4 / pentium-d class chips do

[21:43:30]

kormoc:

they still are warm, but not bad at all

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kormoc:

as for the videocard, it is a little bit power hungry, but it is completely fanless

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kormoc:

it /should/ fit in the case, but given I don't actually own the case or that preticular videocard, I can't say for sure

[21:44:50]

kormoc:

like I said, this is more my 'dream' box then a entirely realistic sudgestion :P

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sigger:

ya was just looking at the case and wondering if I could get it done in less space

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kormoc:

likely, if you go to a micro-atx spec

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sigger:

why not entirely realistic?

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kormoc:

it's rather over-kill for just a frontend

[21:46:41]

kormoc:

the video card could go down to, say a 6200 without any noticable issues with playback

[21:47:25]

kormoc:

and the dvd burner could go down quite a bit. I just really like the idea of a 16 meg dvd buffer

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Juski:

gotcha you bastard

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** kormoc peers at Juski **

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Juski:

Juski vs video-ui.xml... I won :)

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kormoc:

heh, nice

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** Anduin goes to change video-ui.xml again **

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Juski:

or rather, I won round one

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kormoc:

haha, nice timing

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** Juski stabs Anduin with an xml file **

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Juski:

nah I needed to sort out that screen anyway

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kormoc:

sigger, just for reference, that conroe proc that is in that box I specced is faster then a amd 4800+ x2, but a decent margin. Hence why it's a bit overkill

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fysa:

newegg.com has the 6150 boards in open box for $50..

[21:49:55]

Juski:

it's centred now, Anduin.. unlike minimalist-wide's version

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kormoc:

*by a decent margin

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sigger:

kormoc: I don't mind some overkill. I just don't want to underpower, then buy another with adequate power

[21:50:18]

kormoc:

fair nuff

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sigger:

yeah the proc is clearly overkill ;) would be faster than anything I own

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Anduin:

Juski: Yeah, I almost changed minimalist wide but I didn't want to deal with complaints from people who liked it ugly.

[21:50:55]

Juski:

lol

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fysa:

64 3200+ on a 6150 and I can do everything but play 1080p H264 (720p H264 works fine) ;)

[21:51:27]

Juski:

change to minimalist-wide.. you'll never go back... not without a mythfrontend --reset anyway :-P

[21:51:46]

kormoc:

fysa, would you happen to have any 1080p h264 test clips?

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Juski:

(IME)

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Anduin:

Juski: I thought there was some magic key sequence...

[21:52:27]

kormoc:

fysa, my current mythbox (Celeron 2.53 ghz, 6200) plays my 720p H264 testclip just fine, but I'm curious as to how it would handle 1080i

[21:52:40]

Sebulba02:

ctrl+f1+q+f5+alt

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fysa:

let me check.

[21:53:03]

sigger:

I would thnk 1080i is easier than 720p, no?

[21:53:07]

fysa:

http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_hdcontent_home.html

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sigger:

kormoc, thank you.

[21:53:26]

sigger:

this gives me a really good running start.

[21:53:33]

fysa:

wait.

[21:53:43]

kormoc:

sigger, g'luck with it, let us know what you end up with and how it works out

[21:54:13]

fysa:

http://trailer.nerodigital.com/eng/The_Greate . . . _Played.html

[21:54:26]

sigger:

anything you'd recommend in the micro-atx size? wanna try to get smaller.

[21:54:33]

fysa:

I think those are all MPEG-4 AVC.

[21:54:39]

sigger:

gotta run, but will read later. thanks again

[21:55:00]

fysa:

Apple has a bunch too.

[21:55:04]

kormoc:

sigger, sadly, not really. I've only delt with ATX, BTX, and mini-atx. Others in here from time to time have

[21:55:10]

kormoc:

fysa, nifty, thanks

[21:56:02]

fysa:

Once we have CoreAVC, I think I could handle 1080p.

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sigger:

what size is that shuttle box?

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kormoc:

sigger, mini-atx

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sigger:

kormoc: k, I'll poke around on newegg some more.

[21:56:52]

kormoc:

sigger, it's 13" x 9" X 8" or so

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sigger:

ya its got the size on bottom, I just didn't know what mobo standard name it was based on

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fysa:

and for a case, I used.. http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . e/htpc-cases

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Juski:

Anduin: oh yeah the secret handshake key sequence... could it not just be fixed instead? (not me! oh no no no no). Well not yet anyway

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Hoxzer:

:(

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Hoxzer:

+_+

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Anduin:

Juski: Hmm, I think it is fixed.

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Juski:

Anduin: oh goody :)

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Juski:

that's status-ui fixed too

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jams:

whats this about magic keys?

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Sebulba02:

the super secret key combo that rotates the screen

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jams:

hah you mean pgdown ?

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Juski:

yeah that was the one

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Hoxzer:

I know you all would like me to stay, but gtg sleep :)

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Juski:

what's this all about too.. Qsettings::sync: filename is null/empty ? should I worry?

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jams:

I asked chutt the same thing, he said myth doesn't use Qsettings

[22:11:25]

jams:

also said don't worry about it

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Juski:

well if he says.. :)

[22:11:55]

jams:

thats what I thought :)

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jams:

i get it with other QT apps as well

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Juski:

there are other QT apps? ;)

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Juski:

gonna fix the 4:3 theme for SVN now, then have a rest

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Sebulba02:

I hope not..

[22:14:00]

Juski:

when this lot's done I'm installing SVN server on my box here

[22:14:32]

Juski:

I need some version control now

[22:14:41]

Sebulba02:

heh

[22:14:45]

jams:

yep

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Sebulba02:

wise move

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Juski:

what/where/who changed? argghh

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** jams is still miffed at loosing his svn server **

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jams:

stupid linode

[22:16:08]

stuarta:

what did it do to you?

[22:16:31]

Sebulba02:

a good imagination can be dangerous with that question..

[22:16:39]

Juski:

if/when mythtv ever did away with the Qt painter, would it still have to prescale the theme images & stuff?

[22:17:04]

jams:

stuarta- it allowed me to format the drive without backup up !

[22:17:18]

stuarta:

hehe....

[22:17:31]

jams:

i switched from centos to arch and I forgot to grab the svn stuff

[22:17:33]

Sebulba02:

did it at least ask you if you REALLY wanted to do that?

[22:17:52]

jams:

nope

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gardengnome:

jams: you always should get backups :)

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jams:

Juski- think so, but again thats guessing

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jams:

gardengnome- backups of everything cept that dir

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** Sebulba02 rotates a backup of all his machines daily. **

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gardengnome:

jams: ouch :)

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jams:

my fault though

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Juski:

jams: yeah that's what you'd reasonably expect.. let the GPU do the scaling :)

[22:19:54]

jams:

what the heck, might as well set the thing up right now

[22:20:09]

jams:

it will be a nice break from .cpp

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Juski:

stuarta: just remembered. I still need to send you that exporter script to have a look at

[22:21:25]

stuarta:

trac it

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stuarta:

or email it

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Juski:

I'll just save this stuff then dig it out

[22:23:19]

Juski:

whoah. where has the 'next' button gorn?

[22:27:13]

Sebulba02:

gorn? :p

[22:27:36]

stuarta:

anyone know a uk equivalent of linode?

[22:28:53]

jams:

nope

[22:31:10]

Juski:

stuarta: hope this is all in order: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2233 :)

[22:32:30]

stuarta:

do those parameters line up with those that are passed to a generic user script?

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Juski:

stuarta: I have it running as a user job on my box, so I think that'd be a yes :)

[22:35:58]

stuarta:

although I figure it should be possible to pull the exportdir out of the DB

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Juski:

stuarta: I was gonna do it that way at first but I thought it might be handy to have more than one variation so you could export different types of show to different places

[22:40:37]

Juski:

I'll be using that script a lot come 0.20

[22:41:21]

Juski:

I think I listen to more radio than I watch TV

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stuarta:

i record more than I watch.

[22:42:04]

Juski:

I deleted about 300GB of unwatched crap again yesterday

[22:42:16]

Juski:

but recorded 'knight rider 2000'... heh

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stuarta:

tho I just made it through 6hrs of tv in 3.5–4hrs

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Sebulba02:

heh

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Juski:

that's going some

[22:43:32]

Sebulba02:

so you can accomplish more in the day too

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Juski:

I could accomplish more in a day at work if people stopped bloody pestering me to do crappy little jobs they could do themselves

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stuarta:

1 of the few shows commflagging works on, plus 1.35x timestretch :)

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Sebulba02:

I know, wouldn't it?

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stuarta:

now for a bit of transcoding to chop out some ads

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Juski:

oo I could try the new commflagger to see how it goes with UK tv

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Sebulba02:

there's a new commflagger?

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stuarta:

yup

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Sebulba02:

can't wait to see that

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Juski:

or not see it ;)

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stuarta:

still a work in progress.

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Sebulba02:

Juski: heh, that too

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jams:

exciting!!

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alieas:

hey guys – my buddy at work was showing me equinux's media central on his Macintosh... It allows your to watch google video top 100, youtube.com, and streams other media. Does anyone know of a mythtv google video plugin? Is that in the works at all?

[22:54:29]

Juski:

nope

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jams:

alieas- it is nice

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Juski:

there's mythstream but it's no Mac app yet

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Sebulba02:

wouldn't that just require a webbrowser/

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alieas:

yeah, looks pretty interesting actually I'm a little jealous

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Sebulba02:

?

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Juski:

and it's not one of the best maintained plugins, is mythstream

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alieas:

flash player really

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alieas:

but integrated into the front end with previews, etc

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Juski:

anyway not being able to see youtube on a 32" screen is no loss to me

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stuarta:

horizon can be watched easily at 1.5x normal speed :)

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jams:

anything over 1.3 starts to sound funny, at least to me

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stuarta:

yeah, but horizon uses those long slowly spoken drawn out bits in an attempt to create suspense.

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donk3y:

Anyone here use firewire instead of a tuner card?

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stuarta:

1.35x merely brings it back to normal speed

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Sebulba02:

kinda like watching old star trekk episodes?

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Sebulba02:

-k

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Anduin:

2.5x really would save you time

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stuarta:

damn those doors move fast at this speed...

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jams:

woohoo svn repo is ready. Guess that means I can add those myth-video changes now

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stuarta:

Anduin: won't go faster than 2x and I haven't hacked it to go faster yet.

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Juski:

I suppose you think that's funny, jams

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Juski:

;)

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jams:

heh

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simon_c_home:

Hi all. I've got some problems picking up all the cahnnels on my dvb-t card. I'm using 0.19, and the scan picks up some of the channels, but not all of them.

[23:14:32]

Agrajag-:

does the 'scan' program from dvb-utils pick them up?

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stuarta:

simon_c_home: keep scanning, or try head.

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stuarta:

it eventually finds all of them

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simon_c_home:

Agrajag-: I've not tried that. Will do.

[23:15:06]

simon_c_home:

stuarta: Just keep on re-running the scan you mean ?

[23:15:19]

Juski:

you've not tried dvb-utils? go straight to jail, do not collect £200

[23:15:25]

stuarta:

yep, 0.19 scanning had lots of issues, which have been fixed.

[23:15:37]

Juski:

very fixed :) :) :)

[23:15:41]

simon_c_home:

stuarta: Ahh. OK .thanks.

[23:16:17]

stuarta:

Juski: even put in fuzzy frequency matching on Friday...

[23:17:03]

pushpop:

Anyone here use MythTV via firewire to there cablebox?

[23:17:08]

simon_c_home:

If got the database form 0.18 availale , if I just inserted the rows from the channel table from there, would that cause me any problems ?

[23:17:33]

simon_c_home:

c/if/I've/

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Agrajag-:

i've got dvb problems with 2.6.16 and 2.6.17 though, 2.6.15 works fine. appears to be a myth problem since mplayer works fine (myth just doesn't get a lock on some channels)

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stuarta:

simon_c_home: should be able to just put in the 0.18 database, and start it up and it'll upgrade it to 0.19

[23:18:15]

simon_c_home:

stuarta: yeh, I wanted to start from scratch, to document how I did it.

[23:18:17]

stuarta:

Agrajag-: yeah, I have issues with >2.5.15.6

[23:18:40]

stuarta:

simon_c_home: ah, no worries.

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simon_c_home:

I've been running on 0.19 for a week now, and just noticed I dont' have all teh channels, so the database is kind of diverging from the 0.18 one.

[23:18:48]

jams:

Juski what xml editor do you use?

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quink:

hey

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simon_c_home:

so taking the entire database would probably cause problems.

[23:19:00]

Anduin:

stuarta: I know, I actually do have mine able to go to 2.5x (easy change if you only care about the speed), great for news shows.

[23:19:03]

quink:

whats required for mythtv to process live tv input?

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simon_c_home:

I'll re-run the scan a few more times, and failling that just import the table rows.

[23:19:37]

Juski:

jams: nano. tempted to start using vi again after a gap of some 15 years

[23:19:45]

jams:

wow

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Juski:

I don't need format highlighting

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gardengnome:

Juski: get the vi cheat sheet...

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jams:

i have found oxygen xml editor to be great for xml

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jams:

it's not free though :(

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Juski:

but being able to do regex search & replace in a command line.. oooo yeah that'd be nice again

[23:20:31]

Anduin:

Juski: Just move to full emacs

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Juski:

screw that :)

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jams:

egads Anduin

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gardengnome:

http://www.fprintf.net/vimCheatSheet.html

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stuarta:

don't need a kitchen sink with my editor

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Juski:

I only knew how to use vi cos there was nothing else on those Unix boxen

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Juski:

vi to edit config files, emails, the lot

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Juski:

those were the days

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gardengnome:

lots of people still do that

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Sebulba02:

what else is there?

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** stuarta does **

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xris:

pushpop: yes, I am (re your question in the other channel)

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simon_c_home:

Ahhh. I can create a channels.conf, and import it. And presumaly, channels.conf is created with the dvb-utils ?

[23:22:45]

xris:

well, not to your cable box, but to mine.

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pushpop:

xris: I can get all the functionality myth offers va firewire?

[23:23:03]

pushpop:

via*

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xris:

yeah

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xris:

depending on your cable box and cable provider, of course

[23:23:47]

pushpop:

xris: I'm kinda new to the world of linux, is it hard to configure it? i'm running ubuntu

[23:24:33]

xris:

no worse than mythtv itself.. a lot easier than some of the tuner cards.

[23:24:41]

xris:

but again, it depends on the cable box/provider.

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** Juski needs cornflakes **

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** stuarta offers beer **

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pushpop:

Scientific Atlanic Explorer 4200HD

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jams:

eww 3-ui files for mytharchive?

[23:25:27]

gardengnome:

stuarta: that's an awesome idea.

[23:25:31]

xris:

pushpop: then you'll likely need an ir blaster, and that's a bit more work

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** stuarta lobs gardengnome a beer **

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pushpop:

xris: would you be at all intrested in helping me. May I msg you.

[23:26:07]

xris:

working at the moment

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pushpop:

Is there a how-to that you recommend that will lead me in the right direction?

[23:26:31]

stuarta:

and these things should be discussed in channel, so others can benefit by reading the logs.

[23:26:54]

Juski:

jams: welcome to the beginning of the end of large xml files in mythtv themes

[23:26:54]

xris:

read the firewire section of http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php — it should be pretty much the same for ubuntu

[23:26:59]

pushpop:

Sorry stuarta, didn't think of that.

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simon_c_home:

I'm trying a "full scan of existing transports" and I get several entries saying "timeout scanning transport ID 16384 — no tables" Is this lightly where the missing channels are ?

[23:28:08]

stuarta:

simon_c_home: most likely. rescan just that transport till you get it *eventually*

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simon_c_home:

stuarta: thanks.

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** simon_c_home rescans a few time to try to get a smaller list of missed transports ;-) **

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Juski:

ahh hell. auto system shutdown at 12:30am... oops

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** gardengnome snickers **

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pushpop:

xris: I just follow those directions?

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stuarta:

that'll teach you not to turn it off...

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stuarta:

ever

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sigger_:

fysa: still around?

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pushpop:

1–19?

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Juski:

stuarta: when my fastest PC stops pulling 120W from the mains at idle I'll leave it on longer

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stuarta:

how did you measure that?

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gardengnome:

120W? is that much?

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Juski:

stuarta: plugin power meter

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Juski:

and yes it's a lot for not doing anything

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Juski:

athlon XP crap

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stuarta:

definitely a lot. My damn machine locks up if I use cpudyn to lower power consumption...

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** gardengnome wonders if cool & quiet/speedstepping would help **

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stuarta:

as long as it doesn't hard lock your machine :(

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gardengnome:

heh

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Jusk1:

ahh but athlon xp can't be stepped can it? (or can it?)

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simon_c_home:

stuarta: is it worth playing around with the channel separator ?

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jams:

Jusk1- did you actually theme mytharchive or use the default stuff?

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Jusk1:

jams: default. looked ok to me

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stuarta:

simon_c_home: channel separator?

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jams:

ah no wonder you didn't bitch about it

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Jusk1:

bitch? moi? :)

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jams:

hehehe

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simon_c_home:

under "existing transport scan" it's got a line saying "Channel separator: "

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simon_c_home:

Doh. that's not about scanning, that's about naming it I guess.

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** simon_c_home is being thick again ;-) **

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gardengnome:

Jusk1: usally, no (re: speedstepping)

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Jusk1:

thought as much :-|

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gardengnome:

it works with them mobile athlons... and some boards, i think.

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Jusk1:

if I have any cash left over from clearing my overdraft with my bonus I might look into upgrading to something much nicer

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gardengnome:

stuarta: oh, nice

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d0nk3y:

sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv : It says it could not be satisfied, is there something wrong with that command? I am using Ubuntu

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gardengnome:

Jusk1: then you should read some reviews of the E6300.. nice & affordable CPU

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stuarta:

night all

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gardengnome:

d0nk3y: you're probably missing deb-src entries in your sources.list...

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d0nk3y:

gardengnome: sorry I am kinda new to linux/ubuntu how would I go about addint it?

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Jusk1:

night.. damn

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Imaginativeone:

chello...

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Jusk1:

gardengnome: CPU reviews.. pah. I hate them & their superior 'we got 0.5 fps better with 16 meglaposers enabled in <somegame> than with a <insert random CPU codename here>"

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Jusk1:

toms1337ware :)

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d0nk3y:

gardengnome: what a apt-get install mythtv be ok?

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d0nk3y:

would*

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Jusk1:

d0nk3y: not with the standard umbongo package manager setup, no

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d0nk3y:

crap

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d0nk3y:

I would i add deb-src to my sources.list?

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d0nk3y:

how*

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Jusk1:

you need to know where the debs live of course :)

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Jusk1:

gardengnome: that CPU indeed looks spiffy. now all I need is a motherboard without that stupid pci-x connector & enough proper PCI slots...

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xris:

Jusk1: um, isn't pci-x backwards compatible?

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gardengnome:

Jusk1: you won't get any mainboards without pci express slots anymore :/

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xris:

the two on my old dual athlon board were (or maybe I'm confusing -X with 64 bit pci)

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gardengnome:

isn't there a difference between pci-x and pci-e(express)?

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Jusk1:

e/x.. same diff to me.. I'm totally alienated

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xris:

gardengnome: huge diff

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xris:

X is an extra-long pci slot

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gardengnome:

xris: well, he meant pci-e :)

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xris:

so I noticed.

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gardengnome:

well, maybe you can get a socket 775 board with an AGP slot, but keep in mind it'll also have to support the new core 2 duo cpus..

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gardengnome:

these nvidia 7600GS cards look nice, though.

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gardengnome:

add 2 gig of RAM... and you'are gonna be poor again in no time :)

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Jusk1:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=457192

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d0nk3y:

marc@ubuntu:~/mythtv$ ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-xvmc --enable-firewire

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d0nk3y:

You must have the Lame MP3 encoding library installed to compile Myth.

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gardengnome:

Jusk1: i don't think core 2 duo processors are going to work with that...

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d0nk3y:

Any idea's on that?

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gardengnome:

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gardengnome:

err, d0nk3y.

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gardengnome:

d0nk3y: apt-get install liblame-dev

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d0nk3y:

thx

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Jusk1:

gardengnome: asrock's site says different

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Jusk1:

5 PCI slots, no need to upgrade graphics... works with core duo.. there has to be some catch

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gardengnome:

http://www.asrock.com/product/775i65PE.htm – no it does not. :)

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gardengnome:

http://www.asrock.com/product/ConRoe865PE.htm – maybe you're looking for that...

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Jusk1:

bugger

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gardengnome:

the last one is probably the same, maybe with modified voltage regulator modules and a BIOS update.

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Sebulba02:

hah, someone managed to finally get the acronym BFG into their product.

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gardengnome:

well, it's an asrock board. :)

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Jusk1:

and no UK seller I know of stocks it

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d0nk3y:

gardengnome: I am not able to run the "qmake" command is there a way to add that command to the system?

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gardengnome:

Jusk1: it's probably too new. i don't think there are a lot of boards out there yet... but don't take my word on it, i'm not really well-informed anymore about hardware..

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gardengnome:

d0nk3y: have you read the official mythtv documentation?

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d0nk3y:

gardengnome: I am following http://www.ubuntu-mythtv.blogspot.com/

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d0nk3y:

gardengnome: http://www.ubuntu-mythtv.blogspot.com/

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d0nk3y:

oops

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d0nk3y:

gardengnome: http://pastebin.ca/146943

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