Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, August 19th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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grevees:

hmmmmmm

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grevees:

well, I'm off to dinner, screw this crap for now.... I'll come back later with a fresh set of eyes on it and see what happens

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Z_Morek:

AHHHHH x runs in the top left quarter of my screen!

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Juski:

worked for the dude in 'Minority Report', grevees :)

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stuarta:

later all

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Juski:

laters stuarta

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Juski:

I might send a patch in for buttontypes.txt

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Anduin:

Juski: which ones are missing?

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Juski:

Anduin: eject and archive...

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LaschW:

Is there a way to have some kind of audio equalizer e.g. to reduce low audip frequencies.

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Juski:

well EJECT & ARCHIVE :)

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LaschW:

What I'm thinking of is alike the equalizer in mplayer

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Juski:

LaschW: not yet. Maybe with JACK but nobody's done it yet AFAIK

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Juski:

www.juski.co.uk/eject.png and www.juski.co.uk/archive.png – sneak previews ;)

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Juski:

now to update my wide theme likewise

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Juski:

done

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Anduin:

Juski: seems that file isn't well maintained

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Juski:

Anduin: you're telling me :)

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Juski:

first I tried UTSL, then I just plain guessed

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laga:

i've got a problem. i don't have a pause key mapped on my remote, no keyboard and no remote telnet control.

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laga:

and i've had beer.

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Juski:

the thing is, grepping for ARCHIVE in the source came up with nowt

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Juski:

laga: drink more beer – enough til time seems like it's standing still

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Anduin:

laga: just keep hitting skip back

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laga:

Juski: yeh, but i've gotta pee. :)

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laga:

Anduin: sounds like a good idea.

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laga:

i wish mythcontrols would work on that box.

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Juski:

segfaulty goodness

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laga:

heh

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mog_home:

hiya

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Anduin:

Juski: the source being mainmenu.xml and the like, not too hard to find, if it were just the two I'd add them, but 0.15.1! Ha.

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Juski:

well you had my keymap files laga

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mog_home:

i got an ati card and i am doing tv out

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mog_home:

but its off center

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mog_home:

is there anyway to correct that?

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laga:

Juski: yeah, right.

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Juski:

mog_home: not really

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mog_home:

its off center the same way on all my tvs

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mog_home:

theres no way to move it a little?

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Juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Overscan

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mog_home:

hmm so i can make mythtv display fine there is just gonna be a thin black line along the side?

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mog_home:

but there is nothing for X?

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Juski:

I doubt you'd ever get X to fit a TV perfectly

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mog_home:

i wouldnt care if it was just zoomed

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mog_home:

its just off like 5 percent to the top and right

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Juski:

I dunno if ATI card drivers for TV out can adjust overscan

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LaschW:

Juski: Thank you, and for the hint to the s100. :-)

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Juski:

LaschW: huh?

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laga:

heya LaschW :)

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LaschW:

Juski: 1st for the answer on my question, 2nd Don't know the t-online s-100 till now

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Juski:

ah right :) no problem

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Juski:

I plan to make a bootable usb stick image available soon for my s100 frontend

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Juski:

just as soon as I've shrunk it some

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Juski:

then I'll write it all up on my website

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LaschW:

Juski: BTW, S-100. Do you know the producer/manufacturer of the main board

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LaschW:

laga: Tach auch

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Juski:

LaschW: laga might remember. I can't

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Juski:

now it's time to tar these babies up & unleash them on an unsuspecting public

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** billvortex hopes the tar drys before it's thrown into the crowd **

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billvortex is now known as kormoc

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Juski:

Anduin: new theme features _should_ always be backwards compatible, right?

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Anduin:

Juski: as in not understood by older code, I don't pay too much attention to the theme stuff, my one delve into it was rebuffed so I simply dread it.

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

fair enough

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Juski:

oh damn. no I'm not ready for tarballs just yet.. one more thing to do...

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LaschW:

laga: Do you know the producer/manufacturer of the s-100 main board

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laga:

LaschW: i think juski does.

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laga:

uuh

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laga:

juski gave me the URL once :)

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laga:

LaschW: maybe you can find out more at www.zenega-user.de

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Z_Morek:

what kind of settings should I have for my tv in the xorg.conf file?

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Z_Morek:

the settings in the wilsonet guide don't mesh well with x and it runs at a peculiar resolution

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Z_Morek:

that is 1/4 of the screen

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Z_Morek:

of course I probably shouldn't follow the wilsonetguide on a debian rig but.. meh

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Z_Morek:

only for small stuff...

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Juski:

Z_Morek: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Overscan for starters

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Z_Morek:

there we go

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grevees:

Anduin: you still around?

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Anduin:

grevees: sadly

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grevees:

:( sry

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grevees:

just got to ask for your opinion

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grevees:

using those instructions that I had you look at, is there anything involving MYSQL that you would change

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Anduin:

grevees: Not really.

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grevees:

well, what about entering in the root password

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grevees:

and what do you think caused this thing to suddenly stop working?

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Anduin:

grevees: Yeah, I don't set the MySQL root password on my TV box, no real idea about what it stopped. I'd still have you use some MySQL GUI, or just reinstall MySQL to get back to some known state.

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grevees:

cause up until the part that it calls for a mythbackend it worked just like it said it would

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grevees:

then when I did the mythbackend, thats when it all went to hell

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Z_Morek:

upon closer inspection the mythtv wiki didn't help

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Z_Morek:

nor did the nvidia doc

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Z_Morek:

the xorg log runs down nearly every monitor size and says the refresh rates don't match and then gives me a virtual size of 1024x768

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Z_Morek:

and the actual screen is topleft corner

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grevees:

and even mythtv-setup stopped recognizing, and changed to efault values (i.e. 127.0.0.1 changed to localhost, password changed to mythtv, etc)

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Anduin:

grevees: The backend doesn't create or alter MySQL users, just uses one. I'm still convinced you mc.sql thing didn't work, or you made a typo, or, who knows.

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kormoc:

Z_Morek, are you sure you have your tv standard set right?

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grevees:

yeah, man..... wish I knew :(

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grevees:

well, thanks for the help so far

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Anduin:

grevees: You are running mythtv-setup as the user who will run the backend/frontend?

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grevees:

yulp, just as the mythtv user

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grevees:

not root

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grevees:

is there a difference in running mythtvsetup compared to mythtv-setup?

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Anduin:

grevees: Probably not, I don't use the at packages

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Z_Morek:

kormoc: I'm trying to get my xorg log copied to pastebin but I'm having difficulty in doing it easily

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Z_Morek:

I'm not completely familiar with bash enough yet

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Z_Morek:

and to boot the log is probably longer than pastebin will allow

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Z_Morek:

I have everything set right or so I believe

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Z_Morek:

http://pastebin.ca/138169 is my xorg.conf file

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kormoc:

Z_Morek, NTSC-M only outputs 640x480 in newer nvidia drivers

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Z_Morek:

http://pastebin.ca/138170 is the part of the Xorg.log that lists everything

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kormoc:

Z_Morek, and that's normal for the nvidia driver

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kormoc:

Z_Morek, is it tv-out only?

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Z_Morek:

even when I set 640x480 as the display mode it doesn't work properly

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Z_Morek:

kormoc, the rig is capable of monitor out but it would be a massive hassle to set it up as such

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Z_Morek:

due to its location and a lack of monitors to add to it... etc. etc.

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kormoc:

Z_Morek, why not set the Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV" then?

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kormoc:

to tell it to only scan for tv stuff?

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Z_Morek:

kormoc, I put that in the screen section... still not right

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Z_Morek:

unless it goes in another section

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kormoc:

all nvidia settings go in the Device section

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kormoc:

thing is, it's detecting Monitor-0 *and* TV-0

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kormoc:

you want it to stop doing that

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Z_Morek:

kormoc, I thought Monitor-0 was supposed to be TV-0

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kormoc:

Z_Morek, it can't be both

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Z_Morek:

that's why I set monitor0 with the refresh rates and such

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kormoc:

two different things

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kormoc:

monitor0 in xorg is your tv, sure

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kormoc:

Monitor-0 in the nvidia driver is not TV-0

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kormoc:

Z_Morek, easiest way would be for me to go over my working config at home with you, but that will be a little while

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alainm:

just setup my new box

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alainm:

on a shuttle XPC.. it's a slick little box

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Z_Morek:

kormoc, should I go about solving my other problems in the meantime?

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alainm:

but i am unable to capture from my pvr-350

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alainm:

thoughts?

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Z_Morek:

like some postgresql error and ivtv errors...

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kormoc:

alainm, well, might help if you tell us more about waht's wrong.

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Z_Morek:

alainm, any error messages?

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kormoc:

Z_Morek, sure, but erm... postgresql and myth don't work I beleive

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Z_Morek:

kormoc, idk I just get errors for postgresql and I have no idea what it is or does and what to do with it

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alainm:

all i get is a black screen when i do cat /dev/video0 > my.mpg

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Z_Morek:

when you play it in mplayer?

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alainm:

i can't find any error msg anywhere

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alainm:

yest

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alainm:

yes

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Z_Morek:

and the input line is viable?

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kormoc:

alainm, did you check your dmesg?

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alainm:

yes

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alainm:

i don't see any error

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Z_Morek:

kormoc, am I safe to remove postgresql for my myth setup?

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kormoc:

Z_Morek, yes, given it's not able to be used

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Z_Morek:

is it vital for any myth processes?

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alainm:

i even tried to do a recording in myth.. and watch live tv..

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kormoc:

no, that's what I'm saying, myth *can't* use it :P

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alainm:

all i see is black

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Anduin:

alainm: But a file of size?

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alainm:

5mb

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Z_Morek:

and you let it go for how long

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alainm:

30 sec

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Anduin:

alainm: sounds like the wrong input

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alainm:

really

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Z_Morek:

misconfiguration/

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alainm:

miss config of what though?

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Z_Morek:

that was really me directing a question to the hivemind of irc

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Z_Morek:

if it's inputing wrong then most likely it's misconfigured somewhere

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Z_Morek:

how did you install ivtv?

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alainm:

from source..

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kormoc:

alainm, mythtv-setup, what do you have the input set to for the card?

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alainm:

followed the instruction on http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/19/31/

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Juski:

what tuner card type too? should be mpeg2 encoder, not v4l (the default) in mythtv-setup

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alainm:

PVR-350

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evilDagmar:

Juski: I'm beginning to think it might be time to think about a shell script to scan the system for cards and just shove the right stuff into the database

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evilDagmar:

...ignoring framegrabber cards entirely, of course.

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Juski:

plan!

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alainm:

i am assuming this is an IVTV issue?

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kormoc:

alainm, did you ever look up what input you have it set to, like I asked?

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Z_Morek:

nah http://pastebin.ca/138188 that is an ivtv issue that I don't think I'm solving soon

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Z_Morek:

alainm, sounds like yours is a misconfig

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alainm:

kormoc checking into that now

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alainm:

kormoc /dev/video0

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Juski:

alainm: in the tuner card setup page.. the very first page of it you set what TYPE of card it is. did you do that right? it should NOT be set to V4L

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kormoc:

alainm, that's not the input, that's the device

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kormoc:

alainm, the input will be something like, input-0, svideo-0, etc

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kormoc:

alainm, you want it to be set to tuner-0

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alainm:

tuner-0

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kormoc:

and you have the line from the wall plugged into the tuner, right?

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kormoc:

you're not going though a vcr or something like that, are you?

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alainm:

yes

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alainm:

correct..

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alainm:

and i tested the line to make sure it worked

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alainm:

on the the input page should they all be assigned?

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kormoc:

just the tuner-0 one

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alainm:

oh.. i had set them all to point to my zap2it

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alainm:

woudl that have an impact?

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kormoc:

it shouldn't hurt, but it's not needed

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kormoc:

likely not

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alainm:

ok

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alainm:

also i am using IVTV version 0.4.0

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kormoc:

and what kernel version?

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alainm:

with kernel 2.6.12

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alainm:

if that helps

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kormoc:

should be happy

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kormoc:

I use ivtv 0.4.0 on 2.6.14 jsut fine

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alainm:

ok

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Anduin:

could still be the default input

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kormoc:

ooh?

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kormoc:

tuner-0 isn't right?

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Anduin:

alainm: the cat test and ivtvctrl -p could be used

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kormoc:

true

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Anduin:

kormoc: No it is, but he configured them all, he could have any of the configured ones as the default

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kormoc:

fair nuff, tho I did ask him and he said he checked and it ws set to tuner-0

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** kormoc shrugs **

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alainm:

Anduin: how would i run the cat test with the ivtvctrl?

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kormoc:

alainm, you would run the ivtvctrl -p first, and then do the cat test and see if it works

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Anduin:

alainm: You can also ivtvctl -P, ivtvctl -n

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alainm:

Anduin: just ran the test.. same result

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alainm:

is there any way i could redirect the cable input to the output?

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alainm:

i have tested the output using the test patern and that worked

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kormoc:

if you can't get it via cat, you can't redirect it eather

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alainm:

true

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alainm:

boo

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Anduin:

alainm: What does ivtvctl -P return?

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alainm:

ioctl VIDIOC_G_INPUT ok

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alainm:

Video input = 0

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hatredx:

gah

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hatredx:

my first dvi to hdmi (pc to dlp) went poorly

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Anduin:

alainm: and ivtvctl -n shows that input as the tuner?

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alainm:

ioctl: VIDIOC_ENUMINPUT

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alainm:

Input : 0

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alainm:

Name : Composite 0

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alainm:

Type : 0x00000002

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alainm:

Audioset: 0x00000003

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alainm:

Tuner : 0x00000000

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alainm:

Standard: 0x00000000007F3FFF ( PAL NTSC SECAM )

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alainm:

Status : 0

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alainm:

Input : 1

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alainm:

Name : Composite 1

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alainm:

Type : 0x00000002

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Anduin:

gah

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alainm:

Audioset: 0x00000003

[01:38:36]

alainm:

Tuner : 0x00000000

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alainm:

Standard: 0x00000000007F3FFF ( PAL NTSC SECAM )

[01:38:40]

alainm:

Status : 0

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alainm:

Input : 2

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alainm:

Name : Composite 2

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alainm:

Type : 0x00000002

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alainm:

Audioset: 0x00000003

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alainm:

Tuner : 0x00000000

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alainm:

Standard: 0x00000000007F3FFF ( PAL NTSC SECAM )

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alainm:

Status : 0

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Anduin:

alainm: not here, but as you can see input 0 isn't what you want

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alainm:

Input : 3

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alainm:

Name : Composite 3

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alainm:

Type : 0x00000002

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alainm:

Audioset: 0x00000003

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alainm:

Tuner : 0x00000000

[01:39:10]

alainm:

Standard: 0x00000000007F3FFF ( PAL NTSC SECAM )

[01:39:12]

alainm:

Status : 0

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alainm:

Input : 4

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alainm:

Name : Tuner 0

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alainm:

Type : 0x00000001

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alainm:

Audioset: 0x00000003

[01:39:22]

alainm:

Tuner : 0x00000000

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alainm:

Standard: 0x0000000000003000 ( NTSC )

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alainm:

Status : 0

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kormoc:

input 4

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alainm:

Input : 5

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kormoc:

yay!

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alainm:

Name : Composite 4

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alainm:

Type : 0x00000002

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alainm:

Audioset: 0x00000003

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alainm:

Tuner : 0x00000000

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alainm:

Standard: 0x00000000007F3FFF ( PAL NTSC SECAM )

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alainm:

Status : 0

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alainm:

Input : 6

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alainm:

Name : S-Video 0

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Anduin:

I hate smart irc clients that prevent flooding

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alainm:

Type : 0x00000002

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alainm:

Audioset: 0x00000003

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kormoc:

alainm, and for future reference, don't ever paste that much data again

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alainm:

Tuner : 0x00000000

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alainm:

Standard: 0x00000000007F3FFF ( PAL NTSC SECAM )

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alainm:

Status : 0

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alainm:

Input : 7

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kormoc:

use a pastebin, like the one linked to in the subject

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alainm:

Name : S-Video 1

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alainm:

Type : 0x00000002

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alainm:

Audioset: 0x00000003

[01:40:10]

alainm:

Tuner : 0x00000000

[01:40:12]

alainm:

Standard: 0x00000000007F3FFF ( PAL NTSC SECAM )

[01:40:14]

alainm:

Status : 0

[01:40:16]

alainm:

Input : 8

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alainm:

Name : S-Video 2

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alainm:

Type : 0x00000002

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evilDagmar:

Yay autoignore script

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alainm:

Audioset: 0x00000003

[01:40:24]

alainm:

Tuner : 0x00000000

[01:40:26]

alainm:

Standard: 0x00000000007F3FFF ( PAL NTSC SECAM )

[01:40:30]

alainm:

Status : 0

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alainm:

Input : 9

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kormoc:

christ... what a long post

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alainm:

Name : S-Video 3

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alainm:

Type : 0x00000002

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alainm:

Audioset: 0x00000003

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alainm:

Tune

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alainm:

sorry for the long post

[01:40:44]

alainm:

sorry.. it won't happen again..

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alainm:

:)

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alainm:

so i am not sure what you notice.. and what i should fix.

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alainm:

the inputs aren't set correctly?

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kormoc:

when you set the input via ivtvctl, did you set it to input #4?

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Anduin:

alainm: Yeah, it is hard to pick it out from between that long paste.

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alainm:

kormoc: negative

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kormoc:

alainm, you need to do that

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Anduin:

alainm: You failed to use the duh emoticon

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kormoc:

alainm, set it to input #4 and then do the cat test again

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alainm:

boom.. we have video

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alainm:

:)

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alainm:

*runs around the room*

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kormoc:

okay, so now you just need to set myth to use input #4, given it thinks tuner-0 isn't correct

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Juski:

right folks.. 02:46am and new versions of my ProjectGrayhem themes are available from www.juski.co.uk/pg/

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** kormoc ponders making a really lame joke **

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alainm:

kormoc: just check.. and i was not looking at the correct location.. this is now fix.. and video is working

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alainm:

Whoot

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Anduin:

alainm: You probably just need to change the default input in the card config (though there is no point in associating lineups with inputs you don't use)

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alainm:

thank you all you are awesome

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alainm:

now if i want to use the 350's output on the tv i have to install the fb module?

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laga:

Juski: wee. :) gotta try it as soon as i find some time :)

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Juski:

just been watching George Galloway slay $ky News to death. he's some guy

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Z_Morek:

kormoc, do you know if maybe there's an xorg config out there I can just download from a doc or something?

[02:10:21]

kormoc:

not really

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kormoc:

there would be one on my server, but it's down for the moment

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alainm:

hi, heres another question, is there a way i could set it up so that i have an X session that is sent to my monitor and one that is send out thru the output of the 350?

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alainm:

i would still like to use my box for other stuff and not just a pvr

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Z_Morek:

xhost?

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alainm:

i'm not familliar with that

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alainm:

googlin now

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Z_Morek:

and I have an ivtv issue as well

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Z_Morek:

it records static

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Z_Morek:

and for one reason or another isn't loading a couple modules

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Z_Morek:

I probably missed something... http://pastebin.ca/138188

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Juski:

Z_Morek: maybe they ain't build as modules

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Juski:

s/build/built

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Z_Morek:

Juski, I built from source and followed the directions but when it said to rename the files I did, and tveeprom didn't load

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Z_Morek:

so when I renamed tveeprom back, it failed to load the others

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scottder:

Is there any official list of what will be in 0.20?

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evilDagmar:

Z_Morek: You left out the entire Encoders and Decoders section in the kernel

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Juski:

Z_Morek: if you're on >2.6.15 kernel (>= ivtv0.6.x) you shouldn't have to rename anything IIRC

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laga:

scottder: yes. see http://wiki.mythtv.org :)

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Z_Morek:

evilDagmar, I know not how to remedy that

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evilDagmar:

Z_Morek: oh well.

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Z_Morek:

Juski, even if I leave them as is it doesn't work

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Z_Morek:

I'm running debian etch...

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evilDagmar:

If you can't compile your own kernel correctly, you shoudl probably stick with Knoppix

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Z_Morek:

well I'm about to learn how to compile a kernel then

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Z_Morek:

because I've made my choice

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Z_Morek:

I'm not switching distros again

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Juski:

hahaha. I've said that before

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Z_Morek:

I'm so close I can taste it

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Juski:

anyway// bedtime

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Z_Morek:

does ivtv usually have errors like...

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Z_Morek:

ivtv0: i2c hardware 0x00000008 not found for command 0xc008561c!

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scottder:

laga: doh missed the link right at the top...duh

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Z_Morek:

it seems the ivtv wiki is not fully applicable to all versions

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** Z_Morek inserts foot in mouth **

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scottder:

What adavantage does the MythUI stuff add?

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Z_Morek:

ivtv wasn't working because the ivtv wiki howto applies to 0.4.x not 0.6.x

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evilDagmar:

Seeing "tar -zxf ivtv-0.4.0.tar.gz" in there wasn't enough of a hint?

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evilDagmar:

Installation instructions ship in the tarball as well

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Z_Morek:

well I figured it was applicable to all

[03:01:39]

Z_Morek:

and well, I'm a clubfooted retard

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Z_Morek:

so I didn't read the docs in the tarball

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GreyFoxx:

scottder: Mainly it shouldeventually allow for a lot more nifty visual effects

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GreyFoxx:

and if you have OpenGL support theywill be hardware assisted

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evilDagmar:

It would also be helpful if I could ever get an account created for the ivtv wiki

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Z_Morek:

I mentioned it in the ivtv irc channel

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Z_Morek:

but there's NEVER anyone around

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Z_Morek:

the thing that threw me off was that I changed the names back to see if that was the problem

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Z_Morek:

and I think I had a typo or somethin in a couple

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Z_Morek:

and they didn't load

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Z_Morek:

so then I got extremely confused

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Z_Morek:

yaddda yadda yadda the only thing I have to fix now is my xorg.conf and I'm home free

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** Z_Morek knocks on his fake wood desk **

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Demerzel:

evening folks

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Demerzel:

anyone here who's successfully running a bt848, bt878 _and_ a pvr 350 in the same machine?

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Z_Morek:

kormoc, do you have that xorg.conf?

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kormoc:

one minute, and I shall

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kormoc:

Z_Morek, http://kormoc.com/xorg.conf

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Z_Morek:

you have your own dotcom :-P

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kormoc:

Aye, but my home server, kormoc.homelinux.org is down :P

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Z_Morek:

kormoc, contrary to my hopes (however much I knew it wouldn't work yet I still tried...) your xorg.conf does not work on my rig

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kormoc:

what happens?

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Z_Morek:

flood or pastebin?

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kormoc:

pastebin please

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Z_Morek:

http://pastebin.ca/138336

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Z_Morek:

x does not even start

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Z_Morek:

on my xorg.conf it starts but poorly

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kormoc:

Right

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kormoc:

there's a line in my config

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kormoc:

BusID "PCI:01:00:0"

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kormoc:

you need to set that to the bus id of your card

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kormoc:

you can look that up with lspci

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Z_Morek:

...command not found

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kormoc:

you would need to run it as root

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Z_Morek:

I am....

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Z_Morek:

I use poor form

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kormoc:

or you can just remove it, as it's not strictly needed

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Z_Morek:

and stay in root for pretty much everything

[03:42:26]

Z_Morek:

I also don't believe i have a 6200 but meh

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Z_Morek:

xstarts

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Z_Morek:

however

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kormoc:

the board name is just a text field, it doesn't actually do anything

[03:42:49]

Z_Morek:

still the same top left corner

[03:42:54]

kormoc:

strange...

[03:42:56]

Z_Morek:

albeit more of the top left corner

[03:42:58]

kormoc:

perhaps your tv is strange?

[03:43:04]

Z_Morek:

could very well be

[03:43:13]

Z_Morek:

but it worked in the past alright

[03:43:22]

Z_Morek:

I ran kde on fc3

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kormoc:

huh

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Z_Morek:

the actual screen ran over the monitor's viewing range by a tad but that's it

[03:43:45]

Z_Morek:

nothing totally weird

[03:44:00]

Z_Morek:

I pulled a ctrl+c

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Z_Morek:

and I'll paste bin the results

[03:44:51]

Z_Morek:

http://pastebin.ca/138341

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Z_Morek:

after x runs properly I think I'll be in business

[03:45:22]

Z_Morek:

oh the past 2 weeks without myth have been sad

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kormoc:

strange

[03:45:53]

kormoc:

I donno, perhaps debian is just strange too

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Z_Morek:

etch...

[03:46:38]

Z_Morek:

though I don't think you can install on sarge

[03:46:44]

Z_Morek:

I tried that previous to fc3

[03:46:45]

Z_Morek:

way back

[03:46:48]

Z_Morek:

like 2 years ago

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Z_Morek:

with NO experience in bash

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Z_Morek:

boy was that fun

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kormoc:

yeah

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Z_Morek:

at least now I have SOME clue what I'm doing

[03:47:44]

Z_Morek:

I did earlier try to run mythtv-setup

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Z_Morek:

and it ran fullscreen

[03:48:00]

Z_Morek:

but after going through the first few screens

[03:48:06]

Z_Morek:

it went back to terminal

[03:48:15]

Z_Morek:

stopped responding and I couldn't read what the output was

[03:49:02]

Z_Morek:

it's the lop left quarter of a 13in screen

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kormoc:

strange

[03:49:26]

Z_Morek:

welcome to my linux experience

[03:49:32]

Z_Morek:

nothing works and I never know why

[03:50:46]

Z_Morek:

could the missing fonts be a clue to something?

[03:50:53]

Z_Morek:

a missing package or something?

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kormoc:

not if it was my config

[03:52:15]

kormoc:

different distros store them different ways

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Z_Morek:

I'm at a loss

[03:53:15]

Z_Morek:

I'll see if the xorg log looks different

[03:54:05]

Z_Morek:

right from the start there's warnings that there's directories missing for fonts

[03:54:10]

Z_Morek:

but that's old news

[03:55:42]

Z_Morek:

well it gave me the same schpeil about not using screen sizes because they don't match the horizontal and vertical syncs

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Z_Morek:

but this time instead of virtual 1024x768 its virtual 800x600

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Z_Morek:

probably why it looks bigger

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kormoc:

Z_Morek, remove the 800x600 out of the display section

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kormoc:

Z_Morek, see if that helps?

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Z_Morek:

I removed it in my config and it didn't help, here goes nothing

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Z_Morek:

bigger

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kormoc:

huh

[03:57:16]

Z_Morek:

but still not full screen

[03:57:22]

kormoc:

change it to say, 320x240?

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Z_Morek:

and still very small type

[03:58:05]

Z_Morek:

well

[03:58:08]

Z_Morek:

now it fills the screen

[03:58:22]

Z_Morek:

but the type is huge

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kormoc:

heh, can't ever be happy, can ya? :P

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kormoc:

hrm

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Z_Morek:

:-P

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Z_Morek:

is there an inbetween size?

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kormoc:

there's something strange with your tv or videocard

[03:58:48]

Z_Morek:

probably both

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kormoc:

400x300

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kormoc:

512x384 too

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Z_Morek:

400x300 worked

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Z_Morek:

512x384 didn't

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Z_Morek:

thing is, I expect the typesize to match up to shell

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Z_Morek:

which displays fine

[04:00:43]

Z_Morek:

but as soon as I startx it gets all disfigured

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Z_Morek:

and is the security policy not loading an issue?

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kormoc:

/shouldn't/ be

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Z_Morek:

right

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Z_Morek:

missing fonts, not loading security policy... I sense something is missing or out of place

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kormoc:

well

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kormoc:

perhaps you are missing fonts then

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Z_Morek:

apt-get build-dep xorg ... yields nothing

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kormoc:

well, check your old xorg file and make sure the fontpaths match up?

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Z_Morek:

on my old xorg it didn't load either

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Z_Morek:

your xorg actually has significantly less fontpaths listed

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Z_Morek:

mine doubles on most in both /usr/X11R6/... and in /usr/share...

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Z_Morek:

but that's probably nothing

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magneticubuntu:

re

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magneticubuntu:

"hello world"

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magneticubuntu:

aNYONE RUNNING MYTH ON PPC?

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Z_Morek:

x86, but sans capslock :-P

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kormoc:

magneticubuntu, the answer is, no, but people are working on it slowly

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Z_Morek:

I'm trying the debian irc about the whole xorg.conf thing

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magneticubuntu:

kormoc: well i have a ppc box I installed myth no problem and mysql (but wrong version of mysql)

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Z_Morek:

doubtful anyone will respond tho

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magneticubuntu:

i will be trying again soon

[04:11:52]

kormoc:

magneticubuntu, there is no 'wrong' version of mysql for myth

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magneticubuntu:

kormoc: here is my hardware: Pretty Exotic: www.pegasosppc.com

[04:12:04]

magneticubuntu:

kormoc: yes, myth .18 likes mysql 4

[04:12:05]

kormoc:

magneticubuntu, the real issue is more the lack of capture card drivers for the PPC arch

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magneticubuntu:

kormoc: why ivtv doesnt compile?

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kormoc:

magneticubuntu, there's patches to get myth 0.18 working with mysql 5.

[04:12:28]

magneticubuntu:

kormoc: all bttx cards i've tried work OOTB

[04:12:36]

magneticubuntu:

kormoc: sure for x86

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kormoc:

magneticubuntu, correct. Cardoe even managed to patch ivtv up to compile, but it still didn't function. it needs more work.

[04:12:48]

magneticubuntu:

kormoc; my friend comiled ivtv on gentoo ppc

[04:12:54]

magneticubuntu:

kormoc: check out the link

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magneticubuntu:

http://www.pegasosppc.com

[04:13:04]

magneticubuntu:

:D

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kormoc:

magneticubuntu, the patch will work on ppc too. it's only changing repeat to 'repeat' in one source file

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kormoc:

magneticubuntu, cardoe is the gentoo ppc ivtv maintainer, and he's the one that patched it up to compile it, but it still doesn't actually work

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kormoc:

and last I knew, he said bttv was still unstable, but good to know that it's changed

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magneticubuntu:

kormoc: you are wrong

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magneticubuntu:

kormoc: bbtv VERY stable

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magneticubuntu:

tv time and others xmltv work well

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kormoc:

erm

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magneticubuntu:

i'm concerned with ivtv cuz i'm going to use a pvr150 card

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kormoc:

I wasn't arguing with you...

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kormoc:

Well, I know that Cardoe hasn't gotten it working as of a month ago, and he's been really busy sense then.

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magneticubuntu:

kormoc: strange see this:

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magneticubuntu:

http://www.pegasosppc.com/products.php

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kormoc:

maybe you can request the source they are using

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Z_Morek:

you've linked to the pegasospcc thing like 3 times

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Z_Morek:

2... retards can't count

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Anduin:

fourth time and he gets a dollar

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Z_Morek:

no 3

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Z_Morek:

a shiny dollar?

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sigger_:

anyone around for some help with modeline stuff?

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magneticubuntu:

kormoc: funny you should say that I asked today :) i used to work for them :)_

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stevenm:

Hello. Are there prebuilt binaries for OSX intel?

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kormoc:

stevenm, no

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stevenm:

kormoc, eeeech. My friend HAD TO freaking get a mac

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ZMorek:

should I or should I not have v4l in my xorg.conf file?

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ZMorek:

kernel frame buffer?

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kormoc:

ZMorek, you should have v4l if you're using bttv or itvt

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kormoc:

*ivtv

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magneticubuntu:

check dmesg output

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magneticubuntu:

to see if video is mounted

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mubix:

Audio problems?

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mubix:

Gentoo

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** mubix wispers the word "ECHO" to see if it will span the great quiteness of IRC **

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ZMorek:

echo `uname -r`

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ZMorek:

hey a kernel version!

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quink:

is there a way to get mythdvd to treat a cd/dvd filled with video files the same way it plays a dvd?

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mubix:

let me guess, all questions, no answers

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mubix:

good night

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ZMorek:

mubix, it's dead

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ZMorek:

and I have no idea how to fix gentoo audio probs

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kormoc:

quink, alas, nope

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quink:

damn

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ZMorek:

and quink, I'd assume if you were good at writing a script

[05:22:34]

quink:

it'd be awesome if it could.

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ZMorek:

you might be able to pull it

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quink:

ZMorek: i'm good at being lazy.

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kormoc:

mubix, what audio problems?

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quink:

that get me anywhere?

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ZMorek:

mmmm not in linux

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quink:

damn.

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kormoc:

ZMorek, sadly, a simple script won't do it

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mubix:

kormoc, no audio

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kormoc:

dvd's are read via the raw device

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ZMorek:

well, I tried

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kormoc:

not via the filesystem

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kormoc:

mubix, you need to give more then that

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quink:

it'd be nice if there was some voodoo magic to just make it work.

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ZMorek:

mubix, you've got your drivers in modules loaded etc. etc.?

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ZMorek:

what audio, where'd you get the drivers

[05:24:02]

ZMorek:

etc. etc.

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mubix:

kormoc, I've tried ALSA:defaul /dev/dsp /dev/sound/dsp, ALSA:ossmixer ALSA:hw:0,0

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mubix:

VLC plays music just fine

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kormoc:

mubix, and do you get sound via other apps?

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kormoc:

mubix, you sure you have alsa?

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quink:

and it'd be nice if mythstreamtv would stream mythvideo videos.

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mubix:

Aye

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kormoc:

mubix, and the frontend outputs?

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ZMorek:

quink, I think you need to roll up your sleeves, put on a pot of coffee and start programming

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ZMorek:

glhf

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quink:

ZMorek: in theory i should be able to do that

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quink:

but in realty. fuck it

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mubix:

kormoc, be more specific

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quink:

glhf?

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mubix:

meaning, I don't know what you mean by that question

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GreyFoxx:

quink: Or just use a simple shell script

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kormoc:

mubix, when you run the frontend, it spits things on stdout, what does it say?

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briand:

hi, all...

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quink:

putting my efforts into other projects right now. once i'm done with those i might see if i can do any of these things.

[05:26:38]

ZMorek:

quink: as in good luck have fun

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ZMorek:

quink: cause that's gonna be a bithc

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quink:

hah

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mubix:

kormoc, I'll get you that in a sec

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GreyFoxx:

quink: a 3 line shellscript is all I use with vlc to stream files

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quink:

GreyFoxx: yeah but i like a snazzy web interface.

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ZMorek:

quink, glhf

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quink:

i realize vlc can work quite easily through command line.

[05:27:32]

Demerzel:

ack

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GreyFoxx:

Making mythstreamtv do it would be like...5–10 linesof codeheh

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Demerzel:

looks like my pvr-350 might've died

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quink:

yeah but i want it pretty nad stuff.

[05:27:54]

quink:

and might as well throw in some ajax stuff so you can use that word too

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Demerzel:

how's hauppauge with returns and exchanges?

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mubix:

kormoc, 2006-08–19 01:27:42.779 Opening audio device 'default'

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GreyFoxx:

In fact,getting mythstreamtv to do it would likely be less than 10 lines of code

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quink:

well mythstream could use some updates to it too, overall

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GreyFoxx:

I believe xris is looking at just pulling it, or something similar into mythweb

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quink:

thats what i was hearing.

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ZMorek:

Demerzel, how old is it?

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quink:

i thought that was the reason development has sorta stopped on the sf.net project

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Demerzel:

zmorek: just bought it a few weeks ago

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kormoc:

mubix, that error is still using a oss device, not a alsa device

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Demerzel:

maybe a month?

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GreyFoxx:

quink: Nah,I think mythstreamtv development just stopped a long time ago

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mubix:

when I set it in the mythtv-setup it won't save as ALSA:default

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Demerzel:

now i'm getting this when i load ivtv:

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quink:

ah.

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Demerzel:

Aug 18 23:38:46 mythtv ivtv0 warning: Failed api call 0x00000080 with result 0xfffffff0

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quink:

hahah

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Demerzel:

Aug 18 23:38:46 mythtv ivtv0 warning: Encoder firmware dead!

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kormoc:

mubix, you sure myth was compiled with alsa support?

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quink:

well i was just wondering if there was a quick fix to my wants.

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Demerzel:

i'm testing by sticking windows on this box

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quink:

going to wait and do a full overhaul on the system and then see whats lacking

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GreyFoxx:

quink: Nope. I used mythstreamtv briefly,but found it more convienient to just whip off 2 scripts. 1 for recorded content (myth recording and downloaded) and another for streaming live from the capture cards

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ZMorek:

Demerzel, I'd think that'd be an issue to settle with the vendor

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mubix:

kormoc, yes, I'm sure

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Crazy6:

hello

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ZMorek:

Demerzel, 90 day?

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quink:

GreyFoxx: i used it quite extensively but haven't really had time to do anything other then make use of it

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Demerzel:

not sure ... i got it from amazon ... i'll check

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quink:

it came down to use it and be happy with what it is, or not watch tv and make myself a fix

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Crazy6:

I am having a little bit of trouble with mythtv ; I think the problem relates to the fact that the intel i810 ideo driver won't give a 1920x1080 mode ; is there a way to force mythtv to view in 720p?

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kormoc:

mubix, well... something's really strange

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Crazy6:

perhaps change what the default stream to view to one of the transcoded ones?

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mubix:

;-)

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mubix:

yup

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ZMorek:

and my x is screwed up!

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ZMorek:

mubix your audio and my video combined could make the perfect system!

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mubix:

dude, I just spent 2 days getting the video right

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mubix:

I just didn't hit brick walls

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mubix:

with this audio, I don't know where to go from here

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Demerzel:

hmmm doesnt say anything about a warranty on amazon but it's been 4.5 weeks since i bought it

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Crazy6:

anyone?

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ZMorek:

crazy6, you want myth to change just on playback?

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ZMorek:

crazy6, or in general just switch resolutions

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Crazy6:

ZMorek: just switch in general... diable 1080i viewing, I guess, because it'll not work on this hardware

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ZMorek:

crazy6: sounds like an xorg.conf thing

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Crazy6:

ZMorek: its a driver thing; the driver won't allow 1920x1080

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ZMorek:

crazy6: or I could be totally wrong

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Crazy6:

ZMorek: so lets assume that I don't want to view 1080i ; does that mean I'll need to transcode all signals to 720p or less? and can mythfrontend view the transcoded streams?

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ZMorek:

crazy: if I'm not mistaken you could remove 1920x1080 from xorg.conf if it's listed as a possible resolution and x won't use it...

[05:37:23]

ZMorek:

crazy6: I'm going to step down on this one

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Crazy6:

ZMorek: its not in my xorg.conf ; I get the same error with and without it though

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Crazy6:

ZMorek: I believe its because the video card drive (i810) does not allow that resolution

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Crazy6:

oh ok

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ZMorek:

I don't know enough about hd and to be honest, most times I'm doing the best with what I know which is limited

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Crazy6:

well, I think its just a myth config thing

[05:38:00]

Crazy6:

but I dont know how to set it up to view a transocded stream

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Crazy6:

rahter than the raw one

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ZMorek:

sorry

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ZMorek:

no clue

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Crazy6:

anyone else around?

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briand:

nope.

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Crazy6:

briand, any idea on how to do that?

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briand:

how to do what?

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GreyFoxx:

Crazy6: What precisly is the problem you are trying to avoid ?

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Crazy6:

GreyFoxx: my video hardware cannot display 1920x1080, so I want to change the default "Watch TV" to something else, perhaps a transcoded stream

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Crazy6:

transcoded down such that it is at a lower resolution. Maybe, 720p ?

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GreyFoxx:

Well, What resolution do you have X running in ?

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Crazy6:

GreyFoxx: 1280x1024, native of the LCD

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GreyFoxx:

And your card isn't capable of scaling it in hardware down to yourresolution ?

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Crazy6:

GreyFoxx: aha, no, my card is not capable of displaying 1920x1080

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Crazy6:

I beleive that mythtv is trying to change to that video mode

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GreyFoxx:

It's only doing thatif you enabled it

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GreyFoxx:

Xrandr support has to be intentionally compiled in, and then I believe intentionally enabled

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Crazy6:

specifically, VideoOutputXv Error: CreateXvShmImages(): XvShmCreateImage() failed to create image of the requested size.

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GreyFoxx:

You can likely just turn it off in the frontend setup menus and it wont attempt to change resolution

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Crazy6:

uhm, where is that config exactly?

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GreyFoxx:

Crazy6: I don't remember exactly. And I don't have xrandr currently compiled in to my stuff here

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Crazy6:

GreyFoxx: hrm, ok, well, that seems a little complicated; is xrandrd required for the transcoding?

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GreyFoxx:

Crazy6:No it's not

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Crazy6:

ok, shouldnt I be able to turn on transcoding down to a lower resolution, and view that stream instead of the raw 1080i / 1920x1080 one?

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GreyFoxx:

Myth doesn't do "live" transcoding

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Crazy6:

aha ok

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briand:

the real question is, why are you bothering with using the necessary horsepower to receive/encode an HD signal, if your hardware is incapable of displaying it?

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GreyFoxx:

All you have to do is turn off xrandr in the settingsmenus

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Crazy6:

briand: because I'd like to get this working for right now

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briand:

Crazy6: then you might've set up the (infinitely easier) standard definition configuration... but that's just me being practical, i guess.

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Crazy6:

briand: well, thats worth a try; unfortunately, I'm not sure how to do it

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levander:

being a mythtv newbie, how convincing is this to you guys that a Geforce4 MX cards will let me offload quite a bit of CPU processing via XvMC? "Recent NVidia cards have support for full MPEG2 offload (iDCT + MC), and even MPEG4 offload not addressed in XvMC. The GeForce4 MX and GeForce FX series cards also support full MPEG2 offload."

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levander:

It's from: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Nvidia

[06:00:27]

levander:

I suppose that line does mean that Geforce2 MX cards will not work with XvMC.

[06:00:53]

evilDagmar:

reading is fundamental

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levander:

evilDagmar: I'm asking about the reliability of that source, as well as making sure I read it correctly.

[06:01:45]

briand:

hmm.

[06:01:59]

briand:

nearly anybody can add/edit/change a wiki...

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levander:

briand: I have trusted some wikis (well, trusting knowing the could possibly be wrong like everything else can) but have never used that one before

[06:03:26]

briand:

i haven't read the one you mentioned... but it sure sounds like it was written by the advertising and promotions department at Nvidia....

[06:03:47]

briand:

...at least, based on what you quoted above. :)

[06:03:48]

levander:

briand: you think they copy and pasted it?

[06:03:59]

levander:

briand: the person who put it in, copy and pasted?

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briand:

levander: i really don't know. i can tell you with some authority that it's far easier to cut/paste than to think/type. just look around the internet. ;)

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levander:

Anybody heard of eVGA or Jaton video cards? It looks like they are the only two with PCI Geforce4 MX cards still easily found on the internet. And, I've never heard of those companies.

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briand:

levander: in any case, you might scour the mythtv-users mail archives, and maybe a couple of forums, to see if anyone has actually installed/used one...

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evilDagmar:

Jaton you should probably avoid

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evilDagmar:

eVGA is "cheap" but that's about all that can usually be said against them

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evilDagmar:

Why you'd bother with a GF MX when you can find PCI 5200's all over the place, I do not know

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evilDagmar:

Anyone who knows, chime in. Getting rid of the "blue line" problem involves calling xvattr. I've seen the value set listed as 0 (which I know works), 66048 (no idea), and on the wiki, 1.

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evilDagmar:

What the hell is that number being used for? I'd like to do some Wiki-cleaning

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levander:

evilDagmar: Have you seen where people are using PCI 5200's with mythtv?

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briand:

bbl...

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evilDagmar:

No, I have an AGP version of that

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evilDagmar:

Why would it matter?

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levander:

evilDagmar: just want to make sure it'll work before i buy, doing some searches for it now

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levander:

damnit, a lot of these PCI 5200's aren't passive cooling

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levander:

evilDagmar: what about a brand name 'Apollo' for video cards, heard of it?

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levander:

It's wierd that the customer ratings of products at newegg always seem so high.

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evilDagmar:

levander: The tiny little fan on a 5200 isn't going to make enough noise to be heard outside the case

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evilDagmar:

It really does *not* need much cooling at all

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evilDagmar:

...in fact, I don't want to hear any complaining about fan noise off the video card if you're not using Vantec "Stealth" fans in the chassis

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evilDagmar:

levander: If you're planning on outputting to TV, and buying from NewEgg, you might as well go ahead and get the eVGA 128-P1-N309-LX

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levander:

screw that, i like the fanless oens

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levander:

ones*

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evilDagmar:

Then you don't need to ask me about Apollo

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evilDagmar:

They're the only people who bother

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evilDagmar:

...aside from that PNY model that's frankly overpriced

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levander:

yeah, and on the mythtv mailing list, it does look like some people are using the PCI 5200's, think I'm trying the Apollo one, followed by the Chaintech 5200 active cooling one if the first doesn't work

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evilDagmar:

levander: You're overthinking this

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evilDagmar:

A PCI bus has *plenty* enough throughput to be able to handle full-screen video.

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levander:

evilDagmar: it's not bandwidth, it's compatibility i was checking on

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evilDagmar:

Considering you're aiming to put XvMC to use, it's going to be using even less bandwidth

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levander:

evilDagmar: overthinking is one of my weaknesses though

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evilDagmar:

Oh you are *definitely* overthinking that part then

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evilDagmar:

ATI would be a pain in the ass, but mainly for Linux one just grabs an nVidia card and goes with it

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levander:

evilDagmar: in the last three years, i've had 2 video cards not work with X-Windows

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evilDagmar:

Musta been ATI cards then

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levander:

evilDagmar: I'm sure one was, the other one was a friends I helped with, can't remember

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evilDagmar:

Well, *all* of nVidia's cards work with Linux

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levander:

bed time, night evilDagmar

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evilDagmar:

The only caveat there is the NV41 models and newer (mainly 7xxx-series cards) don't have overlay support, which makes XvMC useless on them

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nomego:

is it possible to have folders in video gallery view?

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nomego:

the functionality seems lost since 0.19?

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Juski:

ugh. the shame of it. I need to install gbpvr

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Anduin:

nomego: file browse in gallery view, in the options

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Juski:

hey Anduin

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Anduin:

Hi Juski

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Juski:

I'm trying the new XBMC right now. was gonna video it but audio capture on my pvr2000 isn't working in leadtek's own software without a loop cable :-/ crazy

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Anduin:

Yeah, I looked ad the quick one you posted the other day. Never really used it, just saw it on some cable show once.

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Juski:

that was just a skin extension for xbmc

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Juski:

they've improved the ole project mayhem skin too – it's pretty good

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Juski:

god people moan about mythtv's dependencies. I'm having to install .net

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Juski:

I should boot back into ubuntu & try the cx88-mpeg driver

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Juski:

record video with cat /dev/video0 > foo.mpg then :)

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Anduin:

Ctrl-C is the best stop button.

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Juski:

ooo I have wavy pictures with green lives all over them

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Juski:

:-|

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Juski:

bye bye gbpvr. PoS

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evilDagmar:

Juski: Is the SVN server broken at the moment?

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kkkkkkk_:

hi!

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kkkkkkk_:

has anyone used the budget Technotrend S1500 with mythtv?

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Juski:

evilDagmar: I dunno

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evilDagmar:

I seem to be getting an error 400 out of it when I try to pull 0.19-fixes

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kkkkkkk_:

i see it in lspci as Multimedia controller: Phililps Semiconductor SAA7146 (rev 01)

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kkkkkkk_:

i see in dmesg saa7146: register 'dvb'

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kkkkkkk_:

'budget dvb' etc etc but i never see it atempt to load any firmware

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evilDagmar:

So much for cracking open 0.19-fixes tonight then I guess

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evilDagmar:

Oh, I see what it is.

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evilDagmar:

Bloody squi

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evilDagmar:

d

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evilDagmar:

Okay. This is interesting. I can't make the transparent proxy rules *stop*

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evilDagmar:

That's kinda messed up. Looks like I need to maybe rebuild iptables on that box.

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evilDagmar:

I had to go through my firewalling script and insert explicit --delete commands for the former transparent proxy-enabling hooks

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stuarta:

morning Juski

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Juski:

argghh. screw you, winfast PVR! luckily my myth box isn't using my pvr150 right now

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Juski:

morning stuarta

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Juski:

C to change inputs isn't it?

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stuarta:

err, Y changes cards which is the same as changing inputs for me

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Juski:

damn. I have no s-video input assigned

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JohnQ:

Can anyone reccomend a good howto for setting up a secondary backend?

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JohnQ:

one with no video sources... I just wanna use the idle cycles on my linux box to help transcode

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evilDagmar:

The normal documentation tells you everything you could possibly need to know to do that.

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Juski:

time for some Vegas magic :)

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sigger_:

anyone got a few minutes for modeline stuff?

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Juski:

stuarta: I rolled out new versions of my themes early this morning, if you want to try :)

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stuarta:

ooooo

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Juski:

gashness. vegas can't import my livetv recording

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Juski:

time to projectx it

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stuarta:

Juski: linky?

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Juski:

stuarta: www.juski.co.uk/pg/

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Juski:

there are 2 screenshots at http://www.juski.co.uk/archive.png and www.juski.co.uk/eject.png – the new watermarks in all their glory :)

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stuarta:

mmmm nice

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evilDagmar:

Hmm... skills

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JohnQ:

does anything bad happen if you restart the backend while it is transcoding?

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Juski:

who knows....

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stuarta:

Juski: it'll restart the job later.

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stuarta:

JohnQ: even

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JohnQ:

but the progress it has made will be lost?

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Juski:

yup

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JohnQ:

hmm

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JohnQ:

if I manually change a prefererence in the database, like "JobQueueMaxSimultaneousJobs" or "JobAllowCommFlag" .. will the backend see it automatically? or will it need a restart?

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Juski:

you shouldn't alter stuff directly in the database if you don't know what you're doing

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** JohnQ rolls eyes **

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** LLyric struggles to get his nv 6600 producing 1080i component out **

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LLyric:

I know my TV does it, the manual says it can, and that's what my settop box emits

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Juski:

hey you screw your DB as you see fit, JohnQ. I'm just saying the PROPER way to do it is by using the GUI

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JohnQ:

of course it is.. but how is somone suppose to learn about this stuff unless you look under the hood?

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stuarta:

Juski: he's working on a patch :)

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Juski:

ahh right

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evilDagmar:

JohnQ: There's a difference between looking under the hood and stabbing the radiator with a screwdriver.

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JohnQ:

Either way it teaches you a lot. Assuming youre willing to fix your mistakes.

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evilDagmar:

Manually changing the database as a "learning experience" shows you're still too stupid to be allowed root anywhere that matters.

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JohnQ:

dude.. whats your problem? I'm reading the source, reading the tables, and the worst thing that can *POSSIBLY* happen is that I reformat this box and reinstall everything... boo-friggin-hoo. You're acting like I'm poking at a nuclear warhead... this is a toy.

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jontydog:

hello all I have a bit of a prob with mythtv

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Zider:

depends what you wanna larn

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Zider:

learn

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jontydog:

how do I scan the channels from hotbird?

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Juski:

some dvb scanning is broken in 0.19

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Juski:

you should be able to use dvbscan and import the channels.conf file it produces though

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evilDagmar:

JohnQ: Because invariably what people resort to is asking for help for cleaning up their messes in here

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jontydog:

so does mythtv use channel.conf?

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jontydog:

because I already have that file somewhere from another program

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Juski:

jontydog: no but mythtv-setup can import a channels.conf file

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Juski:

instead of scanning :)

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jontydog:

ah how do I do that?

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jontydog:

would be easier than typing in and scanning all the frequencies

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Juski:

have a look around in the channel scanning menu. you'll find it there under 'scanning method'

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jontydog:

thanks will have a look but I haven't seen scanning method in there

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Juski:

someone needs to make a definitive scanning guide for the wiki

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Juski:

in 0.20 chances are a full scan will work – it'll not be quick but at least it will likely work :)

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JohnQ:

evilDagmar: If I deliberatly mess with the tables, or with the source code.. and end up shooting myself in the foot... then there is nobody I can ask for help from except myself. The idea that you think I would com in here and say "I just stabbed my radiator with a screwdriver, someone fix it for me" is insulting.

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Juski:

JohnQ: makes no odds to us, but people actually screw their systems deliberately or through their own stupidity & expect us to help them fix it (or just fix it) when they come in here. some folks are very very lazy

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Juski:

sadly it means everyone gets tarred with the same brush :-|

[12:31:47]

Juski:

jontydog: http://www.juski.co.uk/screenshots/importchannels.png

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Zider:

I stab my radiator with a powerdrill

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Zider:

more fun that way

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Zider:

then I want Juski to fix it for me

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Zider:

;)

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Juski:

hahahahahaha

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jontydog:

cheers juski just having a look

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JohnQ:

Hehe.. good point. From now on, I'll caveat every "dangerous" question I ask with "I wont ask you to help if your answer indirectly leads to a screwdriver in my radiator at my own hand" :-)

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Juski:

I need to do a set of screengrabs of every single menu anyway, jontydog

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Juski:

I have plans ;)

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Zider:

lysande sickan

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jontydog:

hmm there is no import option in my version

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burner:

i just installed knoppmyth and the ivtv_fb module fails to load. I complains about "unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter"

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burner:

dmesg output says it its ivtv_cards, ivtv_debug and some more

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burner:

someone who know how to fix this?

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Juski:

jontydog: you must be using 0.18 then

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jontydog:

will have a look if there is an upgrade available in adept manager

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Juski:

jontydog: if you're using dapper there's a repo for 0.19-fixes. see the channel FAQ

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jontydog:

yep I am using Kubuntu cos its the best one I have found and used so far

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fatmatt:

Juski: there's a 0.20?

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laga:

fatmatt: there will be...

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Zider:

which qt version should I use for the cvs? still 3.x?

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Juski:

which cvs?

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Zider:

svn

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Zider:

sorry :P

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Juski:

still 3.x yes

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Zider:

k

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Juski:

ffs. just tried mediaportal. it makes mythtv look easier than running setup.exe

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JohnQ:

Can a transcode job and a commflag job for the same recording run at the same time safely?

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Juski:

JohnQ: probably not

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JohnQ:

that was my assumption as well.. but I'm looking for the code in the job queue which disallows it from happening.. and I dont see it yet..

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Juski:

just because the code allows it, doesn't necessarily mean it's safe

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Juski:

the code lets you delete channels too, and that can cause problems if you delete the last channel you watched in livetv – cos when you go back into livetv it won't work anymore

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JohnQ:

right... so either: 1) its a bug (which I doubt) 2) it *is* safe.. Which I doubt.. or 3) the code is there and I just cant see it yet :-)

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Juski:

fucking MediaPortal.. I command thee... CLOSE!!!

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Juski:

brb. need to reboot

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Juski:

wow. never seen myth lock up a system like mediaportal did. sheesh

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Juski:

competition? ha!

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fish_:

re

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Juski:

bloody hell. mythtv has too many setup pages man

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jieryn:

myth thinks i have a particular channel but i really don't, how can i prevent recording on that channel?

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: I agree heh

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JohnQ:

jieryn: delete the channel..

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: I'm going through all the menus & taking screenshots. over 50 so far

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jieryn:

yah, i had to go into mythtv-setup

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: That's crazy.

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GreyFoxx:

No wonder it intimidates users

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Juski:

up to 80 now & I'm only in music setup

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jieryn:

any way we can get the thumbs up/down that tivo has for auto-recording?

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GreyFoxx:

jieryn: What does it do ?

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jieryn:

the ' if you liked that, you should watch this ' kind of automated recording schedule

[14:04:15]

jieryn:

you can rate any show you've watched/recorded

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jieryn:

based on that information, it selects non-conflict programs for you to watch

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GreyFoxx:

oh, people have talked about that sort of thing a lot, but so far noone has produced anything

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jontydog:

hi back again just upgraded to v 0.19 and now can't into the mysqldatabase

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: finished (I think) at 164 screenshots – not just setup menus but everything I have installed

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Juski:

164 different screens!

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Juski:

ish

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Juski:

is this why nobody has done a Fisher-Price pictorial walkthrough before?

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daft:

using a ide hardisk for mythtv is a bad idea right?

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Juski:

no

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Juski:

why would it be a bad idea?

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Juski:

using a FLASH disk would be a bad idea

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Juski:

unless you make it read-only

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daft:

dont know access time. i want to make a mythtv box quite cheap but it needs to do what i want it to do

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Juski:

what?

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Juski:

you don't need 10k RPM sata disks

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JohnQ:

the video is compressed.. IDE disks have more than enough throughput.

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daft:

I think i wait with this till i buy a new pc and turn the old one in to a myth tv. with a nice small case and stuff

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GreyFoxx:

Anduin: If you are around. I'm also seeing circumstances where mythvideo is attempting to play a file other than the one I've got highlighted. It only occurs on files not scanned in viavideo manager

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daft:

a Pentium4 1.4Ghz is plenty. also for hdtv?

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Juski:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

daft: That will likely have problems with hdtv unless you use some hardware mpegdecompression like xvmc

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daft:

so its good for recording only

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GreyFoxx:

Well in general it's more than fine for recording and playback, but it just doesn't have the cpu power to handle hdtv playback

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daft:

well i plan on make my old pc a server. so if i put hdtv on it. its shuffed away out of the sunlight

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daft:

dont think the network hasnt any problems if i use nfs

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jams:

Juski- yeah it is insane. I once got about half way through the menus taking screenshots and gave up

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GreyFoxx:

We should just get rid of a lot of theoptions. Too much stuff is optional

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GreyFoxx:

the vast majority of things are probably never changed from teh defaults

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Juski:

there are too many pages with just one item inside too

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Some of those likely fill in more if you enable someone on the page

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Juski:

ah yah

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Juski:

well – another busy day .. loads done again.. need to nip out

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GreyFoxx:

Hopefully some ofthe SoC changes clear up some of those options

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Juski:

yeah I _hope_ :)

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GreyFoxx:

one ofthe projects is to clean up the settings pages

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jams:

same here

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GreyFoxx:

but none of that is likely gonna make it into 0.20, it would be after

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: btw you should see the new XBMC.. it got animation (not the x360 thingy I posted links to the other day)

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GreyFoxx:

Happen to have a video link ?:)

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Juski:

I need to render it ;)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Juski:

hang on I'll do it before I go out

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GreyFoxx:

Cool, thanks!

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Juski:

right. http://www.juski.co.uk/xbmc_new.avi .. dunno what went wrong with the deinterlacing though :-|

[14:54:52]

GreyFoxx:

hrm.....

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GreyFoxx:

897 bytes in size ?:)

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Juski:

damn

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Juski:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/xbmc_new.avi

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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GreyFoxx:

got it now

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GreyFoxx:

Love those menu animations

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Juski:

yep!

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laga:

spiffy.

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Juski:

one more vid to come

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evilDagmar:

Holy shit man that's awesome

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evilDagmar:

here I feel silly because I just noticed the scrolling text utility this morning

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Juski:

scrolling test utility?

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Juski:

s/test/text?

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evilDagmar:

You've got scrolltext at the bottom of those avi's

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evilDagmar:

I didn't realize what the overall effect of that would be

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Juski:

that's built into xbmc & sourced from an rss feed

[15:25:18]

evilDagmar:

I saw a utility almost hidden away to do scrolltext on MythTV

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evilDagmar:

I haven't gotten around to deploying any code using it or the popup util

[15:26:18]

evilDagmar:

You should be able to get pretty close to that style with Grayhem

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GreyFoxx:

evilDagmar: You mean mythtvosd ?

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evilDagmar:

yep

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah, I use it for popping up callerID info from my asterisk box

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evilDagmar:

I'm planning on just scrolling the time and weather conditions

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evilDagmar:

Maybe if I ever get around to banging on ical some more I'll stick todo stuff in there

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evilDagmar:

...although it seems more logical to use it for a "Coming Soon" scroll for upcomign recordings

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah,unfortuantely at this stage it only works during videoplayback

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evilDagmar:

Drek.

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Juski:

hokay.. change the filename on the end of the URL I pasted to visualnew.avi this is what Milkdrop looks like

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evilDagmar:

nice

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evilDagmar:

Synaesthesia needs a bit more lovin' I think

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evilDagmar:

Mine seems to be stuck in stereo FFT mode

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Juski:

bah they're all gash anyway

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Juski:

anyway I need to buy stuff

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jams:

GreyFoxx- have you had any problems with mysql and unionfs?

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jams:

assuming your still using slax

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GreyFoxx:

nope, and when I was using it I was using it just as a client

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GreyFoxx:

off of usb sticks

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Juski:

ARGHHHHHHHHHHH!

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laga:

huh?

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Juski:

I have definitely fucking HAD IT with that stupid ass forum now. I posted an announcement about a 'new release' of my themes & some TWAT says "I see version 1.8, where is the NEW release?". FUCKING IDIOT

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Juski:

oh so it can't be a new release if it's not a 'point 0'

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Juski:

fucktard

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laga:

your screenshots are way too big.

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Juski:

so?

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laga:

*shrug* just complaining :)

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GreyFoxx:

fight!

[15:54:47]

GreyFoxx:

fight!

[15:54:48]

GreyFoxx:

fight!

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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Juski:

fuck em

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laga:

hehe

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jams:

heh..one of the reasons I stopped being active on that forum

[15:57:46]

laga:

umm

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laga:

yeah, this guy is stupid.

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GreyFoxx:

laga: What forum ?

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laga:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13262#13262

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** GreyFoxx likes to read stuff where idiots show off how stupid theyare **

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laga:

GreyFoxx: i read the newspaper for that and it gets my blood pressure up every time

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GreyFoxx:

heh yeah

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Juski:

hm. my keyboard has made an indentation in the desk

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GreyFoxx:

Stop using it to vent your frustration :)

[16:00:55]

Juski:

laga: do me a favour & ban my ip address from the forums will you please?

[16:01:09]

laga:

that's why i only buy heavy duty keboards. a cheap one gave up on me after some time – the key didn't like my fist. :)

[16:01:21]

laga:

Juski: that won't prevent ya from reading :)

[16:01:39]

Juski:

yes but it'll stop me from posting obsceneties at the idiots

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Juski:

tell you what I'll come back if moderators can change user's tags to stuff like 'I don't RTFM', 'idiot' and 'asshole' :-P

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GreyFoxx:

lol

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Juski:

.... calm ..... calm....

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GreyFoxx:

That would be awesome!

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jams:

guess laga didn't want any part of messing with users

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Juski:

guess so. I'm not the only one to have had 'moments' about the forums. users sometimes don't suck. I wish it was the other way around. when I'd been a member a while I made a thread for people to post their success stories. hardly anyone did – it's always problems problems problems

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Juski:

I've even donated to keep the forums going – and what happens? people come in, get solutions & bugger off again. some community that is. for the sake of my sanity I'll stop trying to change the unchangable

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** jams spins the hard drive just a little faster to help mkisofs **

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jams:

turns out it wasnt mysql but mythbackend

[16:20:12]

jams:

hmm time to get some privacy film for the window. Just caught the neighbor staring at me

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GreyFoxx:

PRetend to pick your nose our scratch your butt, then put your finger in your mouth.... then turn and wave with asmile :)

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GreyFoxx:

I delight in horrifying nosey people :)

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BuzzBuilder:

hello

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BuzzBuilder:

Has anyone had success in setting up MythTV with a Twinhan 1025 with Mandriva?

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PoeticIntensity:

Hi all, I just have a simple question:

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PoeticIntensity:

I've got myth set up great, and I love it, but I hate my remote.

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PoeticIntensity:

I'm using the PVR-250 remote....

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PoeticIntensity:

What other remotes out there (standalone remotes w/ receiver) are any good?

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PoeticIntensity:

preferrably, the cheaper, the better.

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PoeticIntensity:

thanks in advance for your help.

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PoeticIntensity:

If it helps, I'm using gentoo, with .19 myth and lirc.

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PoeticIntensity:

I've heard good things about x10 remotes, but I can't find any usb receivers made by them.....?

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PoeticIntensity:

http://www.smarthome.com/4006n.html – that looks like a *great* remote, but I can't find any IR receivers.

[17:07:45]

PoeticIntensity:

Sorry if I sound like a noob, but I am – as far as remotes / IR receivers go...

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PoeticIntensity:

(I'm not even sure I'm using the correct terminology...)

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GreyFoxx:

That looks almost identical to my remote

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GreyFoxx:

The ATI remote wonders, the medion, thelola, the oneboxmc/niveus remote, and it looks like that one are all based off the same reference design

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GreyFoxx:

That one used RF to talk to the USB receiver

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GreyFoxx:

and it's a learning IR remote for your other gear

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benlake:

anyone have a thought as to what to look at when the log says "Transcode Error"? nothing in the mythbackend.log :(

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benlake:

by log I mean the log viewer IN myth

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PoeticIntensity:

GreyFoxx: Thanks! Yeah.... Where can I find the "USB Receiver"?

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GreyFoxx:

I would assume it will come with the remote

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PoeticIntensity:

That's my whole dilemma... I can't seem to find the "receiver" anywhere....

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PoeticIntensity:

that's the problem – it doesn't.

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PoeticIntensity:

it just comes with the remote.

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PoeticIntensity:

no receiver.

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GreyFoxx:

Email them,they must have it too

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PoeticIntensity:

unless I missed something.... (hopefully, I did)

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GreyFoxx:

If they don't that's pretty lame

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PoeticIntensity:

yeah.... It looks like they don't.

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GreyFoxx:

Ahhh ok, this one might not have a USB receiver like others do

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GreyFoxx:

Looks like they market this one to RF control your other X10 gear

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PoeticIntensity:

Could you find a link where a remote like this comes with a USB receiver, if it wouldn't be too much trouble?

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GreyFoxx:

I bought mine 3 years ago from a company that doesn't make them anymore :)

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PoeticIntensity:

ah crap.

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GreyFoxx:

There are several that allcame on based on the same design

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GreyFoxx:

Man, scrolling through my watch recordings list is much faster after updating last night

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GreyFoxx:

PoeticIntensity: If you are the type you chouldspend $10 on parts at radio shack and make one. Then use any old remote with it

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GreyFoxx:

Seems to me that last time I made one it took longer to edit the config file that to actually make the receiver

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

there are many prebuilts out there,I'm just not up on them as I haven't tested many

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PoeticIntensity:

I'm about the same.... I'm still searchin' though. I know they make em'.. I've just gotta find em'.

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PoeticIntensity:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/accessories/5a20/

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PoeticIntensity:

that's what I'm looking for, but the remote seems hokey...

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CLucas916:

can someone help me with an htpc question?

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grevees:

FINALLY!!!!!!!

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grevees:

IT WORKS!!!!!!!

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riddlebox:

does anyone have lirc running in ubuntu?

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Led-Hed:

I'm exiting the myth menus (xml files) and I'm trying to add the "Play DVD" button to the main menu. The button is displayed, but it never launches the DVD player. Any ideas?

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Led-Hed:

exiting = editing

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Juski:

Led-Hed: um, cos it's not supposed to? you'll need to add an exec command to the button

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Led-Hed:

Juski, something like, exec mplayer dvd:// -f

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Juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Menu_the . . . opment_guide

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Led-Hed:

found it.

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Led-Hed:

thanks

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Led-Hed:

exactly what I was looking for

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grevees:

hmm, anyone have any idea on how to trouble shoot just plain BAD sound

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grevees:

sounds like its coming from a damn record player, and really bad audio tapes

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robbins876:

hey guys, when i run /sbin/modprobe ivtv i get FATAL: Module ivtv not found.

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robbins876:

what did i do wrong?

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psofa:

grevees, maybe check sampling frequency

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psofa:

or sound levels

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psofa:

for example your speakers volume is set to high and your sound card volume too low

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psofa:

or the other way around

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robbins876:

anyone have any clues?

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psofa:

well did you actually install the modules?

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grevees:

hmm, ok, I'll check again psofa

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grevees:

gimme a second

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robbins876:

yum installed ivtv alright, any reason why it would say that it can't find the module?

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grevees:

hmm, any other utility in Fedora besides kmix?

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robbins876:

what?

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psofa:

robbins876, i cant think of any reason other than you didnt install it correctly

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psofa:

grevees, alsamixer

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psofa:

psofa, maybe your /usr/src/linux link is wrong?

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robbins876:

the only thing i can think that it is might be from editing the /etc/modprobe.etc

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robbins876:

it says to put # ivtv modules setup

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robbins876:

alias char-major-81 videodev

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psofa:

robbins876, just check /lib/modules/.... and see if the module is there

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psofa:

if it isnt then /etc/modprobe isnt an issue i suppose

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robbins876:

my question is, in the modprobe.conf, was i supposed to put the #

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grevees:

hmmm, why isn't alsamixer installed?

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robbins876:

or does that mean just plug it into the file when accessed as root?

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psofa:

?

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psofa:

grevees, maybe amixer?

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psofa:

or maybe you dont have alsa :D

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grevees:

hmm, yum install alsa

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grevees:

that should do it, correct?

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robbins876:

in my lib/modules/ i've got ivtv-fw-enc.bin and ivtv-fw-dec.bin

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robbins876:

is that right?

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psofa:

robbins876, thats the firmware not the modules

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psofa:

you have to have an ivtv.ko or sth

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robbins876:

alright, how do i get the modules in there? I thought i had done it correctly

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psofa:

grevees, i dont know how you should install alsa if you dont have it

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psofa:

that depends on your distro

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psofa:

is you have oss you will have to use the oss mixer

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psofa:

s/is/if

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psofa:

you have either oss or alsa

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psofa:

robbins876, well what did you do to install them?

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robbins876:

yum install ivtv-firmware ivtv-firmware-audio

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psofa:

ewww

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robbins876:

yum install ivtv-kmdl-$KVER

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robbins876:

yum install ivtv

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psofa:

id install it from source if i were you

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robbins876:

i'm new to linux, not real familiar with installing from source

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psofa:

anyway you say that didnt fail?

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robbins876:

nope, installed properly

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psofa:

:/

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psofa:

well i think you should go to ivtv's site and see whats the latest version

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psofa:

maybe yum installs something old

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psofa:

and obviously yum does sth wrong

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psofa:

robbins876, installing it from source wont be difficult

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robbins876:

alright

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robbins876:

looks like there's a 0.7.0 version out

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robbins876:

i downloaded it

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robbins876:

it's a tar.gz2

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robbins876:

tar.gz

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robbins876:

now i'm lost

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psofa:

make sure 0.7 is right for your kernel version

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psofa:

uname -r will tell you your kernel version

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psofa:

if its ok

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psofa:

just untar it (man tar to see how)

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psofa:

inside there will be a readme to tell you the steps

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robbins876:

Failed to open /dev/video0: No such file or directory

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robbins876:

what did i do now?

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psofa:

robbins876, so you did install ivtv and now you can modprobe it?

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robbins876:

i thought i did

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robbins876:

i read the readme like you said

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robbins876:

did the make thing

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robbins876:

not sure if it worked, though

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psofa:

Oo

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psofa:

if you didnt see anywhere saying error

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psofa:

then it worked

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robbins876:

it did say error

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psofa:

lol

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psofa:

what was it

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riddlebox:

hello, can someone help me with some lirc stuff?

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robbins876:

well, where am i supposed to type make?

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robbins876:

within the tarball directory thats on my destkop?

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psofa:

robbins876, of course

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robbins876:

ok

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robbins876:

that's what i did

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robbins876:

make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.17–1.2157_FC5/build: No such file or directory. Stop.

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robbins876:

that's the first error, and i imagine the others are caused by this one

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riddlebox:

robbins876, do you have the kernel headers installed?

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robbins876:

holy shit, what?

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Juski:

the source for the kernel

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Juski:

and the headers

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robbins876:

how do i do such a thing or check?

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riddlebox:

robbins876, are you just trying to install mythtv, or ivtv drivers?

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robbins876:

in konqueror, it has source in the /lib/modules/2.6.17–1.2157_FC5/ directory

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robbins876:

when you click on it, it says source does not appear to exist anymore

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Juski:

robbins876: try to find a howto for your distro.. it'll help

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robbins876:

well, ultimately, i want to install mythTV, but the how-to i'm installing says to install IVTV first

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Juski:

robbins876: welcome to the very steepest part of the learning curve. Lesser mortals turn away now :-P

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robbins876:

it's making my brain bleed

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Juski:

it bleeds for a bit, then turns to mush, then suddenly if you're lucky everything suddenly makes sense & ultimately you become as bitter & twisted as the rest of us ;)

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riddlebox:

robbins876, I am trying to get you a good howto, but it may take some time

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riddlebox:

in the mean time, does anyone know anything about lirc?

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Juski:

riddlebox: yup

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riddlebox:

Juski, I made the reciever from lirc.org, and installed the driver but when I do modprobe lirc_serial I get this error in dmesg

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riddlebox:

http://pastebin.ca/139238

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Juski:

riddlebox: aha! simple one to fix, usually

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jams:

the answer is in the error

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riddlebox:

I try setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none, but I always get the same error

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Juski:

riddlebox: is it 'COM1' or 'COM2' ? S0 == 'COM1', S1 == 'COM2'

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riddlebox:

Juski, com1

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Juski:

riddlebox: yeah it would be.. $3f8

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Juski:

riddlebox: you'd have to do the setserial as a user with root permissions

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riddlebox:

Juski, I so sudo setserial?

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riddlebox:

sp=do

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riddlebox:

so=do

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riddlebox:

also does line 15 mean that it does see my reciever?

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Juski:

riddlebox: no it can't do that til it gets the serial port all to itself :)

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riddlebox:

Juski, what do I need to do to do that?

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Juski:

there isn't anything else using that serial port is there? like I dunno... a UPS monitoring app or modem thingy?

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riddlebox:

nope

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Juski:

did you build lirc yourself? cos when I used to I sometimes forgot to configure it before running make

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riddlebox:

Juski, I did, but I ran the setup.sh inside and selected everything in that and it ran configure itself

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JoeyJoeJo:

is anyone else here using the Xbox Media Center script based frontend?

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JoeyJoeJo:

I'm having issues getting it to connect to my sql database on my backend

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Juski:

JoeyJoeJo: I used to use it all the time

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JoeyJoeJo:

Juski: did you ever get an error that said "unable to connect to database 'conn'" or something like that?

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JoeyJoeJo:

also, which protocol version should I use if I've got the official .19 backend?

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Juski:

damn those last remnants of MediaPortal

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Juski:

xbmc connecting to database issue.. make sure that /etc/my.cnf has either skip-networking commented out or bind-address is set to the machine's real IP address. restart mysql to make the change take effect

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JoeyJoeJo:

Juski: by the machine's real ip addres, you mean the 192.168 address, not the loopback?

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Juski:

and you'll need to set up mythbackend to run on the machine's real IP address (and set the master server IP address to the same) – again restart mythbackend for the change to take effect

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Juski:

JoeyJoeJo: yes

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JoeyJoeJo:

ok

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Juski:

and.. live tv will probably screw things up so don't try it in the XBMC scripts

[19:43:24]

Juski:

it's only really good for watching recordings

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JoeyJoeJo:

ok, I'm not to worried about that anyway

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Juski:

heheh. cool

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riddlebox:

Juski, do you have any idea on what I should do?

[19:45:38]

Juski:

riddlebox: erm.. to install ivtv? read the docs you have in that howto there. if you don't understand what something in there means just ask away

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riddlebox:

Juski, I am working on lirc lol

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Juski:

riddlebox: ah. I dunno. is the setserial command actually working?

[19:49:38]

riddlebox:

Juski, I do the setserial command then I do modprobe lirc_serial and get the same error?

[19:51:06]

Juski:

riddlebox: seems to me like the setserial command isnt working

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Juski:

your kernel _might_ have the serial port drivers as modules. you could unload them if you knew what they were

[19:51:49]

Juski:

lsmod & modprobe -l are your friends there

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riddlebox:

Juski, would serio_raw be what I need?

[19:53:36]

JohnQ:

I'm getting a "Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION" both in th frontend, and from mythweb.. and I only ever installed one version.. anyone ever seen this one?

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Juski:

you think you've only ever installed one version anyway, JohnQ

[19:54:38]

sphery:

Anduin: I like the new MythVideo. :)

[19:54:44]

sphery:

Big thanks for all the work on it.

[19:54:46]

Juski:

I've seen package managers mix version numbers

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Juski:

ooo I've not even looked at mythvideo yet.. when was that checked in?

[19:55:13]

sphery:

sometime this week. I just got back from travel and got it compiled.

[19:55:13]

Aid1:

ooo sphery they added something new to it??

[19:55:26]

Anduin:

sphery: No, you need to demand a roadmap from me!

[19:55:56]

sphery:

(had to make one change http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/218893#218893 )

[19:56:12]

sphery:

Oh, yeah, Anduin. I was about to, but they always say, complement, demand, complement.

[19:56:24]

Anduin:

sphery: Did you get my reply to that?

[19:56:31]

sphery:

s/complement/compliment

[19:56:38]

sphery:

Haven't checked.

[19:56:53]

sphery:

Aid1: not really new stuff, but a major code cleanup and bug fixes.

[19:56:58]

sphery:

Going to e-mail...

[19:57:00]

Anduin:

sphery: never mind, still in my outbox

[19:57:37]

sphery:

Was going to say...

[19:57:53]

sphery:

Glad it's not my mail server causing me to lose mails... :)

[19:58:22]

Anduin:

not glad it seems to be mine....

[19:58:30]

sphery:

D'oh.

[19:58:33]

JohnQ:

both the frontend and the backend report that they are version 0.19.20060121–2 I never mixed versions.

[19:58:59]

sphery:

JohnQ: there was a bug for a while that did that.

[19:59:10]

sphery:

You can clear it up (for now) with a reboot...

[19:59:13]

sphery:

Have you tried?

[19:59:29]

sphery:

It may resurface, though.

[19:59:39]

sphery:

SVN has it fixed (0.20 will have it fixed)

[19:59:43]

JohnQ:

I did reboot actually.

[19:59:55]

sphery:

Ummm. OK. I can't help, then.

[20:00:28]

sphery:

Only time I've seen it was mixed frontend/backend versions or the bug that's cleared up by a reboot.

[20:00:37]

JohnQ:

hm

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Anduin:

sphery: There sent, basically I think you have stale code.

[20:01:44]

sphery:

Hmmm.

[20:02:05]

sphery:

I just diffed and the onle change is my post-compile-error change making it public.

[20:02:46]

KyleAnderson:

JohnQ, what OS are you using? And did you use packages or compile from source?

[20:02:58]

JohnQ:

debian sid.. used packages

[20:03:19]

sphery:

It definitely looks like it should be inaccessible at line 193 of videoscan.cpp if it's private in line 25 of videoscan.h.

[20:03:50]

sphery:

in case it matters, I have gcc 3.3.2 on that system.

[20:04:03]

sphery:

But, I don't think it should be a GCC bug...

[20:04:10]

KyleAnderson:

JohnQ, does the backend log say anything useful?

[20:04:27]

Anduin:

sphery: Yeah, I see, no the code I checked in is bad, you are right.

[20:04:49]

sphery:

:)

[20:04:54]

sphery:

I won't post that on the list.

[20:05:09]

sphery:

I'll consider your saying it in a logged chat room good enough.

[20:05:27]

JohnQ:

KyleAnderson: not that I see.. Just a lot of me restarting it... nothing that looks like an error.

[20:05:51]

sphery:

JohnQ: how many frontends/backends/mythweb installations do you have?

[20:05:57]

KyleAnderson:

Are you using 127.0.0.1?

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JohnQ:

I have 1 frontend, and 2 backends.

[20:06:48]

JohnQ:

My master backend and the frontend are the same machine.

[20:07:19]

JohnQ:

127.0.0.1 is where my frontend connects to.. but the ip for the "master backend" is a real local ip.

[20:07:25]

Anduin:

sphery: The odd thing is that it compiles with 4.1, which should be a bug.

[20:07:40]

sphery:

And you checked all of them (even the same machine frontend/backend--could have two different installs and the PATH for different users causes the frontend to run from different locations)

[20:07:45]

sphery:

Hmmmm.

[20:07:56]

sphery:

Usually the bugs are in the older versions. :)

[20:08:56]

sphery:

That's kind of disturbing, actually.

[20:09:42]

sphery:

It seems like a big bug to miss--making me wonder if there's some little thing that we (and GCC 3.3.2) are missing that makes it legal.

[20:09:47]

JohnQ:

I've stopped the secondart backend for the moment.. so only using the master machine. He only has one install. I searched the drive for duplicates.

[20:09:57]

sphery:

OK.

[20:10:51]

sphery:

BTW, Anduin, I wasn't trying to force you to immediately start on my issue. I really just wanted to say, "Thanks." I only mentioned the e-mail in case Juski went to install it.

[20:11:18]

sphery:

Is your MythWeb on the master machine?

[20:11:37]

JohnQ:

yes

[20:12:54]

sphery:

And you're getting the protocol mismatch on both the local frontend and MythWeb?

[20:13:01]

JohnQ:

indeed

[20:13:35]

sphery:

And you don't have any extra libraries (not full installations, but libraries) on the system?

[20:14:17]

JohnQ:

nope.. only ever installed with a package.. and I only did that once.

[20:14:34]

JohnQ:

and I have looked for libmyth* and found nothing odd

[20:14:59]

JohnQ:

hang on.. gonna try something.

[20:15:13]

sphery:

Hmmm. Thought it might be a libmyth-0.19.so.0.19.0 in /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib, but it sounds like that's not it.

[20:15:54]

JohnQ:

my /usr/local/lib is empty

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JohnQ:

(as far as mythtv is concerned anyway)

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sphery:

OK.

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JohnQ:

Okay... Ive learned something.

[20:16:52]

sphery:

Did the something else work?

[20:16:55]

sphery:

What's new?

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riddlebox:

Juski, I added some stuff to /etc/modules.d/aliases and now it isnt asking me to do setserial anymore

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JohnQ:

If I set the "Master Server IP address" to 127.0.0.1 then it works in mythweb and on my frontend but not the slave backend.... if I set it to 192.168.1.2 then the opposite is true. slave works, and frontend and mythweb dont.

[20:19:10]

sphery:

MySQL permissions?

[20:19:40]

JohnQ:

I thought I made them as wide open as I could...

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sphery:

for 192.168.1.2 and for 127.0.0.1?

[20:21:09]

sphery:

Hmmm.

[20:21:11]

sphery:

Wait a minute.

[20:21:13]

KyleAnderson:

Right

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sphery:

I don't think it's in MySQL.

[20:21:44]

JohnQ:

I have host % user mysql with full privs in the user table in mysql.

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riddlebox:

does this mean something good for lirc? http://pastebin.ca/139286

[20:23:23]

Fensta:

it would help if I werent a total noob

[20:24:01]

riddlebox:

Fensta, there are no icons for it, open a terminal and type mythfrontend

[20:24:09]

KyleAnderson:

JohnQ, shouldn't the user be named mythtv?

[20:24:12]

sphery:

JohnQ: OK. I thought I was getting somewhere, but got myself even more confused as I started down the path...

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Fensta:

#mythtv-users

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JohnQ:

the user is mythtv .. the % in mysql means "everybody" as far as I know..

[20:25:01]

Fensta:

grrrr

[20:25:08]

Fensta:

I just want something that will record my fusion card

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KyleAnderson:

But are there any other hosts in the table? Because (I think) that it will match up with the most specific before the most general. Know what I mean?

[20:27:52]

JohnQ:

I suppose I can nuke the permissions table and remake it...

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KyleAnderson:

I would not do that

[20:29:13]

KyleAnderson:

I would get rid of the % though

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Juski:

I am totally making new theme watermarks, yay

[20:34:10]

KyleAnderson:

I would do a grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv";

[20:34:19]

KyleAnderson:

then a ...

[20:34:50]

KyleAnderson:

I would do a grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"127.0.0.1" identified by "mythtv";

[20:35:07]

KyleAnderson:

flush privileges;

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Aid1:

hi

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KyleAnderson:

That should be ok for your setup

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JohnQ:

Okay.. I'll try that,

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JohnQ:

heh. now mythweb says "Database Access Denied" flat out.

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Anduin:

sphery: It is ok, you can insult my code, I won't take it too personal,

[20:40:04]

sphery:

Anduin: No. I don't have room to insult your code.

[20:40:21]

sphery:

But, now I see exactly where you were going with the change to private.

[20:40:47]

sphery:

thx for the quick fix, too.

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Anduin:

Yeah, I hate making things visible beyond where they are needed.

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sphery:

definitely better than the public change

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JohnQ:

if I change "127.0.0.1" to "localhost" then it does not say the access is denied.. i get the MYTH_PROTO_VERSION error again.

[20:42:39]

sphery:

I just didn't take long enough to read through your code--I was trying to get everything compiled before some recordings started. :)

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riddlebox:

Juski, you still around?

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JohnQ:

strange... I think I have something working now.

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JohnQ:

my mythtv baster backend is named "clank"

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JohnQ:

and on the myth-setup general part first page...

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JohnQ:

if I set BOTH ip addresses to clank's real private ip.. then it works both locally and remotely.. and if I set them both to the loopback address, then it works locally but not remotely... I'm betting the "IP address for clank" is being used as the address it used to bind to.

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KyleAnderson:

Of course with the loopback address the remote will not work. But I think if a client identifies itself as connecting to the "host" with a hostname

[21:08:57]

KyleAnderson:

Its different than if it was with an IP

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JohnQ:

Well.. as long as I use the "real" ip for both of those boxes on the master backend, everything seems happy.

[21:11:50]

JohnQ:

Now I need to figure out what this means: "Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed" It shows up when I run the backend on my slave backend.. but does not seem to actually cause a problem.

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KyleAnderson:

I have no idea what that is

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KyleAnderson:

I have no experience with multiple backends

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sphery:

JohnQ: Your backend is started from an environment without a HOME environment variable. Add "export HOME=/home/mythtv" or whatever to your start script.

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sphery:

So, is there anyone here who's been using recent SVN trunk (post [10235]) and who's having issues where deletes go very slowly?

[21:42:17]

sphery:

I've been trying to reproduce the issue, but can't.

[21:43:00]

Juski:

sphery: I saw something on the mailing list about that where they do that to stop the filesystem getting too busy

[21:43:29]

sphery:

Yeah.

[21:43:32]

sphery:

That was my post.

[21:43:33]

sphery:

:)

[21:43:54]

sphery:

I'm trying to figure out why some people are saying the deletes would take 16 hrs...

[21:44:03]

sphery:

I can't reproduce the issue.

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Juski:

this one? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . lete;#204862

[21:44:54]

sphery:

Yep.

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Juski:

not even ext3 would take 16 hours to delete a file. sheesh

[21:45:16]

Juski:

maybe if it was a 160GB file though...

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sphery:

This is my post: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/218601#218601

[21:46:20]

sphery:

I'm trying to run down why http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/218724#218724 says deleting a 500MB file would take 16hrs.

[21:46:38]

sphery:

Myth has a minimum truncate size of 8MiB/sec

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Juski:

just because?

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sphery:

So, 500MB should delete in 125 sec = ~2min

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sphery:

That's probably the right answer.

[21:47:16]

Juski:

so what's this anyway? developer caring? you'll let the side down in the eyes of the public you know :-P

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sphery:

I'm at the point I'm pretty certain his testing procedure is flawed.

[21:48:09]

Juski:

sphery: I'd be inclined to think that if nobody else has reported it, it's a non-issue for now

[21:48:19]

sphery:

No, I'm not a real developer, just someone who wants Myth to be great.

[21:48:24]

sphery:

Yeah.

[21:48:28]

Juski:

don't we all?

[21:48:54]

sphery:

There has to be a flaw in his testing.

[21:49:36]

Juski:

the lugradio guys have been talking about mythtv again. raised some interesting points..

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sphery:

I tried recording while recording, dd to a file on the same fs, tar cjf the MythTV source distro, and combinations of the above and couldn't get the delete rate to drop appreciably below 8MiB/sec.

[21:50:30]

sphery:

Which points?

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Juski:

I'm gonna be trying to tackle as much documentation as I can anyway

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Juski:

points? ooo like who decides what features go in, which direction mythtv goes etc

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sphery:

Oh.

[21:51:57]

Juski:

there's no outright 'policy statement' or anything, hence the confusion for that bit

[21:52:03]

sphery:

I see.

[21:52:17]

Juski:

also talk about whether gstreamer apps like Elisa are a 'threat'

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sphery:

I'm thinking Jim was reading 500MiB as 500kiB.

[21:53:14]

sphery:

What was the conclusion about Elisa?

[21:53:18]

sphery:

Threat or no?

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Juski:

no conclusion

[21:53:30]

sphery:

Oh, just a point of discussion...

[21:54:54]

sphery:

I should really listen to LugRadio more...

[21:55:01]

Juski:

I'm starting to think along the lines of making a manual to end all manuals

[21:55:21]

sphery:

I'm interested in the stuff, but the time scares me a bit (especially without Myth's timestretch ;).

[21:55:36]

Juski:

killer feature :)

[21:55:43]

sphery:

Hey, you're the one who was talking about Myth on LugRadio...

[21:55:53]

Juski:

I was exhibiting it

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sphery:

Cool.

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sphery:

Was this discussion you mentioned in the fora?

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sphery:

Or just the broadcast?

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bla:

Hello.

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sphery:

I'd like to hear more on your idea for the manual...

[21:58:03]

Juski:

sphery: just the latter

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sphery:

bla: Hello.

[21:58:15]

sphery:

Oh, cool.

[21:58:26]

Juski:

sphery: to start with, dissect every screen and explain what everything does

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sphery:

Hmmm.

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Juski:

and why it might be important

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sphery:

That would be a manual to end all manuals.

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laga:

Juski: i think that's what the user manual in the wiki does, right?

[21:59:12]

bla:

Is there away to control mythtv through ssh, or vnc? Instead of buying a remote / having a keyboard.

[21:59:15]

sphery:

Might be a challenge to keep it updated, though--even just against released versions.

[21:59:20]

Juski:

laga: yup – but who contributes to it?

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sphery:

bla: network control with telnet

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laga:

Juski: not me for now :)

[21:59:33]

bla:

ahh cool

[21:59:36]

bla:

thanks

[21:59:38]

Juski:

wiki week was a bloody failure and a half

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sphery:

I didn't help. Sorry.

[22:00:31]

sphery:

I was also traveling and didn't have 'net access, though.

[22:00:41]

Juski:

laga: been thinking about that article & stuff. I don't think there's any way they could have a walkthrough in one part, knowing how magazines allocate space to stuff

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sphery:

(Which doesn't excuse my not doing stuff before/afterwards, though.)

[22:01:19]

Juski:

yeh well... the wiki is starting to come in more handy these days.. quoting at people etc

[22:02:17]

sphery:

I agree.

[22:02:30]

sphery:

It's nice to have a bunch of stuff covered already.

[22:03:52]

tybb0:

when I get "you grabber won't give you the channel numbers automatically" or something, is that because of my PVR card (wintv pvr150) or because of the video source I've chosen?

[22:04:20]

sphery:

What's the exact message?

[22:06:03]

tybb0:

You must run mythfilldatabase --manual the first time. Your grabber does not provide channel numbers, so you have to enter them manually"

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sphery:

That means that the XMLTV grabber you're using doesn't provide the channel numbers (frequencies) for the channel data. So, you have to use "mythfilldatabase --manual" to specify channel numbers for the channels the grabber provides.

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sphery:

I think I'm going to have to write the delete stuff off as "worksforme".

[22:09:13]

sphery:

I can't reproduce the problem at all.

[22:09:38]

sphery:

Unfortunately, I don't still have the message for a reply telling the OP that I'm writing it off...

[22:09:47]

sphery:

Guess if another message comes through in the thread...

[22:10:03]

tybb0:

Ah ok, right that's a shortcomming of the swedish xml-tv grabber then.

[22:14:22]

tybb0:

so I would have to find a frequency table for swedish channels then?

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sphery:

frequency table is there.

[22:16:19]

sphery:

You just have to say that channel "Some name" is on channel 4 or whatever

[22:17:52]

Juski:

sphery: one thing I've been thinking about (and I apparently am not alone in this) is getting folks to report their channel lineups & where they live so that maybe a database of stuff could be compiled to make a setup wizard possible

[22:18:11]

tybb0:

cool

[22:18:28]

sphery:

Or, maybe not... If the frequency table is "europe-west" or "europe-east", frequency table is there...

[22:18:40]

sphery:

That would be cool.

[22:19:31]

sphery:

I have to admit that channel config is extremely easy for me (in the US with DataDirect)...

[22:21:58]

Juski:

course it is – that part's all done for you. not for us Europeans though

[22:22:12]

sphery:

:D

[22:23:20]

laga:

FYI: mythfilldatabase --manual has a nasty bug. it won't insert the freqid. just let it run again and then it'll work.

[22:26:06]

hatredx:

nclude -I/include/mythtv -I/usr/lib64/qt/include -o recordingselector.o recordingselector.cpp

[22:26:06]

hatredx:

In file included from recordingselector.cpp:22:

[22:26:06]

hatredx:

/usr/include/mythtv/libmythtv/programinfo.h:5:23: mythdbcon.h: No such file or directory

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hatredx:

hummm

[22:26:13]

hatredx:

svn =/

[22:35:11]

tybb0:

when later zapping between channels, which is the the one that is effective, the "channel ID" or "channel number"?

[22:35:27]

sphery:

channel number is for the user

[22:35:35]

sphery:

channel (frequency) ID is for Myth

[22:35:44]

sphery:

You can make your channel numbers anything you want.

[22:35:56]

sphery:

The frequency ID must be the channel number (or frequency in kHz)

[22:36:06]

sphery:

Oh, wait.

[22:36:26]

sphery:

The chanid (which is probably what you meant) is for Myth to use internally.

[22:36:47]

tybb0:

Choose a channel ID (positive integer) [0] <-- this one

[22:36:50]

sphery:

It just ensures every channel is uniquely identifiable regardless of the information in it.

[22:36:56]

sphery:

Hmmm.

[22:36:58]

sphery:

One sec.

[22:37:01]

tybb0:

ah ok

[22:37:22]

laga:

maybe you'd want to use --manual --preset

[22:38:15]

sphery:

That's the frequency ID.

[22:38:19]

sphery:

The one I talked about first.

[22:38:26]

laga:

--preset lets you assign, like, numbers to channels. think about your remote. in the US, mythtv just chooses the freqid for that (right?).

[22:38:44]

sphery:

So, it should be the number of the channel on which the channel is broadcast on that source.

[22:39:32]

sphery:

Yeah. In the US, few of us are smart enough to understand the difference between a channel number and a frequency ID. :)

[22:39:38]

tybb0:

hence I have to have the frequency list?

[22:39:55]

laga:

sphery: so, in the us, you don't have freqids like SE10?

[22:40:01]

sphery:

Nope.

[22:40:08]

sphery:

Frequency ID of channel 2 is 2

[22:40:09]

sphery:

:)

[22:40:14]

laga:

sphery: thanks a lot, that clarifies $stuff :)

[22:40:24]

tybb0:

sphery: I'm swedish (tall, blond, blu eyes), we don't understand much, picture a retarded 5 year old with adhd and you get me ;D

[22:40:40]

laga:

yeh, but you make good music. :)

[22:40:47]

tybb0:

ehr... NO :)

[22:40:48]

sphery:

We have "callsigns", i.e. WKCF, for the channel that's broadcast on channel 18 in my area.

[22:40:53]

sphery:

No one learns the callsigns.

[22:41:00]

sphery:

Most call the channel, "channel 18"

[22:41:26]

laga:

wow. i thought you'd say the channel name. makes more sense than just numbers :)

[22:41:30]

sphery:

callsigns are unique to individual stations.

[22:42:12]

sphery:

So, WKCF is a local station broadcasting its own stuff in the day and WB (Warner Brothers) network during primetime.

[22:42:17]

tybb0:

so in channel ID it doesn't really matter what I enter?

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[22:42:47]

sphery:

channel ID has to be the channel on which it's broadcast (or frequency in kHz)

[22:42:53]

laga:

sphery: no.

[22:43:00]

laga:

sphery: frequency id is that.

[22:43:10]

laga:

channel id is like your favourite random number.

[22:43:15]

laga:

in europe, that is.

[22:43:47]

sphery:

code says that 0 is to skip the channel.

[22:43:54]

laga:

yep.

[22:43:56]

sphery:

haven't figured out what non-zero means.

[22:44:12]

sphery:

OK, channel ID is /not/ frequency ID.

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sphery:

It seems it doesn't matter--just has to be unique

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laga:

1 means: add this channels with chanid 1. i believe it's the primary key for that table.

[22:44:30]

laga:

yep.

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sphery:

Yep.

[22:44:46]

sphery:

And must be unique across /all/ video sources.

[22:44:59]

Juski:

www.juski.co.uk/new_watermarks.png

[22:45:05]

tybb0:

sphery; Hence I'll make it chanid == channumber :)

[22:45:07]

** sphery makes a mental note to read all the code before making assumptions next time **

[22:45:09]

VolVE:

hey all, I tried Google, Usenet, and the MythTV wiki but I can't find any substantial details on compatibility for the ATI TV Wonder Elite tuner card – anyone know the current state of this card?

[22:45:13]

sphery:

tybb0: That works.

[22:45:15]

laga:

i really suggest to use --preset, otherwise, mythtv will use the freqid... wait a sec

[22:45:44]

** tybb0 pharts at regular TVs... that's lame... gimme mythtv "intuitive interface" any day of the week ;) **

[22:45:51]

laga:

there's channel id and channel number, right? channel *number* would be the freqid?

[22:46:04]

sphery:

In the US, ours turns out to be (sourceid * 1000) + channum (and it increments by one until it finds an available chanid)

[22:46:49]

sphery:

yep--usually channel number is freqid unless you want to renumber channels for yourself, then use the "standard" channel number for freqid and your own for channum

[22:47:46]

sphery:

tybb0: I say go with laga's recommendations

[22:47:55]

laga:

uh, sorry, i should rather go to bed before i try to wrap my head around this again.. the fields you've got to enter are slightly different when using --preset, that's why i'm confused.

[22:48:08]

sphery:

Probably want to delete your video source first (with the Delete All button)

[22:48:19]

sphery:

Then use the --preset stuff he mentioned.

[22:48:34]

sphery:

After all, he's set up his system using mythfilldatabase --manual and I haven't...

[22:48:49]

laga:

yep. :)

[22:48:57]

sphery:

VolVE: no idea on the TV Wonder Elite.

[22:49:02]

sphery:

If it's BTTV-based it works.

[22:49:08]

sphery:

If it's a DVB card, it might work.

[22:49:15]

VolVE:

hmm, how would I found-out? :-/

[22:49:27]

sphery:

If it's a Rage Theater-based card, it doesn't (and won't ever) work.

[22:49:45]

sphery:

What type of card is it?

[22:49:57]

VolVE:

hang on, I'll go dig-up some more specs

[22:49:59]

sphery:

standard def? HDTV? analog? DVB?

[22:50:06]

m2matson:

Hi, I'm trying to set up myth on fedora core 4 using wintv pvr 350. Having issues with Running X on the PVR-350's TV-Out. I've read the stuff about editing xorg.conf w/ the BusID in decimal form...I've tried every combination but can't get it to work. Anybody else experience this problem?

[22:50:59]

sphery:

m2matson: a long time ago, then I got it working, then I realized that the PVR-350's TV out wasn't worthwhile and got an NVIDIA video card. :)

[22:51:16]

sphery:

Unfortunately, I don't remember the specifics of how I got it working...

[22:52:44]

m2matson:

sphery: thx, ok...so it's possible to do =) well, I'll keep staring at it. The only reason I got this card was for the tv-out : /

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tybb0:

when mythfilldatabase -manual wraps... how do I exit it cleanly? ^D, or ^C?

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m2matson:

can someone share the output of their lspci | grep <card> cmd...and the content of xorg.conf?

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tybb0:

eh

[23:04:23]

tybb0:

I configured like 20 channels ina mythfilldatabase -manual, now when I start mythtv there's two channels there, wtf and none of them even work. :P

[23:04:42]

tybb0:

I suspect I have selected the wrong video source, it should be "tuner0" right?

[23:05:02]

tybb0:

tuner0 = antena cable on a wintvpvr 150

[23:05:05]

tybb0:

right?

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VolVE:

sphery: I believe it's an analog card

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** VolVE is still trying to find more gritty details **

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Juski:

sneak preview at the new look project grayhem watermarks: www.juski.co.uk/watermarks/ ;)

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tybb0:

I have 20 channel in setup mode. two channels in actual mythtv tv viewing mode, that's crazy, any ideas why?

[23:14:23]

VolVE:

sphery: I can't seem to find details about what chipset it users

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sphery:

Juski: When are you going to convince GreyFoxx to upload grayhem/grayhem-wide into myththemes?

[23:22:42]

sphery:

He's on a roll with Gray OSD, Retro, and Retro OSD

[23:22:48]

sphery:

:)

[23:22:59]

sphery:

The new watermarks look great.

[23:23:04]

sphery:

I love the archive one...

[23:23:46]

Juski:

sphery: I've asked him to hold it til I'm done

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Juski:

:)

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Juski:

I would never have pushed for my themes to be included anyway – it's nicer to be approached ;)

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tybb0:

this mythtv thing must be seriously broken :(

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Juski:

sphery: the outer border will look like the -wide screenshots on my site. I had them for a while then removed em.. and now they're back. I like em

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Juski:

what does the retro OSD looky like anyhow?

[23:26:47]

sphery:

Retro OSD is Isthmus OSD with a few updates.

[23:27:04]

Juski:

ahh

[23:27:10]

Juski:

I like Isthmus

[23:27:17]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 72167#172167

[23:27:25]

Juski:

I have got to try the xvmc colour OSD hack soon

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sphery:

I think I like the Retro OSD better than Isthmus OSD.

[23:28:54]

sphery:

Gerhard did a great job on both.

[23:29:12]

Juski:

we were gonna get together to make a theme once upon a time

[23:29:25]

sphery:

I'd love to see that theme...

[23:29:38]

sphery:

When you say "get together," do you mean virtually?

[23:29:47]

sphery:

Or would this have involved travel, too?

[23:30:00]

Juski:

just you wait til mythui is finished :)

[23:30:02]

sphery:

(I.e. how serious do you take your theme designing?)

[23:30:16]

Juski:

oh god no travelling, but it'd be nice

[23:30:24]

Juski:

I hack away at it, like I do everything else

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sphery:

Cool.

[23:31:04]

sphery:

Was thinking that your traveling to Norway to make a theme would be above and beyond most people's level of dedication to the project.

[23:32:16]

sphery:

Yeah. On the color OSD thing, I just wasted far too much money to get a CPU that could do the decoding itself rather than deal with XvMC...

[23:32:26]

sphery:

Haven't gotten it hooked up, yet, though.

[23:32:38]

sphery:

Still doing SDTV (on my 67" 1080p TV :).

[23:32:40]

Juski:

hehehe re the travelling

[23:32:51]

Juski:

I mean I love mythtv & all (mostly) but...

[23:32:56]

sphery:

Yeah.

[23:33:04]

sphery:

I agree.

[23:35:36]

sphery:

VolVE: The ATI TV Wonder Elite is based on the Theater 550 chip.

[23:35:59]

sphery:

TTBOMK, the only support you ever have a shot of getting is "GATOS" level capture support.

[23:37:02]

sphery:

The GATOS project is only implementing some of V4L API (because of hardware design, not a software decision), so Myth can't use it.

[23:37:11]

sphery:

If you haven't bought it, don't.

[23:37:59]

sphery:

If you have, it will make a nice paperweight--maybe for the owners manual you get for free with your Hauppauge PVR-150 (which will replace the TV Wonder Elite ;).

[23:39:50]

Ryushin:

Man oh man, does what a difference this dual core AMD X2 makes. I cannot believe how much faster it is over the sempron 64. Myth compiles now from 50 minutes, down to 12. Watching HD only uses 30% of the cpu using libmpeg. I can even watch transcoded HD in mpeg4 at it's native resolution. Outstanding. Only problem is that the mythbox has crashed twice upgrading it. I wonder if lm_sensors is causing the issue. I just recompile

[23:39:50]

Ryushin:

d myth hoping that will fix it.

[23:40:07]

tybb0:

sphery: Do you have any idea what I have done wrong?

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Juski:

oo I'm liking this one: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . o_center.png

[23:43:20]

sphery:

nice

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sphery:

tybb0: video source is not the same as video device

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sphery:

video source is the name you gave in mythtv-setup to the video source you configured

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sphery:

video device is /dev/video or something

[23:44:11]

sphery:

and input would be something like tuner0

[23:44:22]

sphery:

I think, though, that the PVR-150 uses tuner4 for the input.

[23:44:31]

Sebulba02:

hey, when scanning for new music in mythmusic, it segfaults, any way I can see why? (running from console gives me nothing)

[23:44:47]

tybb0:

sphery: Yeah I am using tuner0 and all.

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sphery:

So, link the video source that defines the channels to the tuner4 input on the PVR-150

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tybb0:

uh ok

[23:45:10]

tybb0:

there is tuner0 and tuner1 in setup

[23:45:15]

tybb0:

no tuner4 :-o

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sphery:

OK, wait.

[23:45:37]

sphery:

It's "Tuner 0"

[23:46:00]

sphery:

(It was "Composite 4" I was thinking about.)

[23:46:24]

tybb0:

yeah and I'm using that and I have setup about 20 channel using mythfilldatabase --manual and then run mythfilldatabase to fill the database, but still when I enter mythtv I only get two channels to choose between?

[23:46:45]

sphery:

2 channels in the EPG?

[23:47:28]

tybb0:

when I press the "Watch TV" icon?

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tybb0:

I'm runing knopmyth btw

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VolVE:

thanks sphery

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tybb0:

in WatchTV I can walk the channel list with up and down arrow but only two channel there :o

[23:48:28]

VolVE:

I haven't bought it yet, no, looking at Hauppauge 250, but it's fairly expensive...

[23:50:52]

sphery:

VolVE: What about the Hauppauge PVR-150? It's generally cheaper than the 250 and is really a better card.

[23:51:08]

sphery:

(and driver support is good and getting better)

[23:51:25]

VolVE:

better? are you sure? I heard they changed the chipset and the 250 was the better of the 2...

[23:51:44]

sphery:

The 150 uses fewer components, so it's cheaper to make.

[23:52:19]

sphery:

The (1) chip used for capture has the ability to do a better quality capture than the 2 on the PVR-250

[23:52:27]

tybb0:

sphery: no I have all the channels in EPG allright, they're there with correct programing information and all. Can you startt watching a channel 'live' directly from the EPG?

[23:52:44]

sphery:

as of now, some say you get a better picture using the 250 because of the driver

[23:53:00]

sphery:

drivers are getting better and better support for the 150

[23:53:16]

sphery:

so if you get a 250, what you get is the best you'll ever have

[23:53:17]

VolVE:

hmm, I see – thanks sphery! :)

[23:53:24]

sphery:

if you get a 150, it will just improve with time/upgrade

[23:53:41]

sphery:

And, the difference is unlikely to be noticeable (unless compared side-by-side)

[23:53:50]

sphery:

tybb0: You can enter the EPG in LiveTV.

[23:54:03]

tybb0:

how?

[23:54:43]

** sphery never uses LiveTV **

[23:54:52]

sphery:

The long way is to go to LiveTV and hit M

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sphery:

from the menu, select EPG

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** tybb0 wants to browse EPG and then click on the channel I want to watch and then watch it? **

[23:55:09]

sphery:

I think there's a single-key way to do the same, but I don't know it.

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VolVE:

I wonder how many over-the-air channels I can get with an antenna plugged into the 150 in my area, hmm... anyone using antennas got any recommendations? :)

[23:55:40]

Aid1:

i can get 1

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Aid1:

yay

[23:55:59]

sphery:

And, in the EPG, I think you have to hit X to change to that channel (not select/ENTER), but I'm not sure

[23:56:41]

Aid1:

does the USA have EPG yet?

[23:56:52]

jams:

by default it's m, but there is and option in the setup to use enter

[23:57:24]

sphery:

Aid1: USA (and the rest of North America) has the best source of EPG available

[23:57:47]

sphery:

Everyone else uses screen-scraping of HTML to get some data.

[23:58:01]

sphery:

US gets full data from the same company that sells data to TiVo.

[23:58:23]

tybb0:

hah

[23:58:23]

Aid1:

sphery: you work with satellites?

[23:58:30]

Aid1:

like do satellites have EPG too?

[23:58:39]

tybb0:

when in livetv and going for m and then browsing....

[23:59:05]

tybb0:

I change to a channel of my choice, push enter and the fucker goes back to the channel it was at before

[23:59:08]

tybb0:

wtf? :)

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