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Friday, August 18th, 2006, 00:05 UTC

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workman161:

would anyone have any idea why my mythbackend would stop...er..accepting sockets?

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janneg:

workman161: 0.1-fixes? it's a known problem.

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workman161:

0.1?

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workman161:

I've got 0.19 right now, and I'm waiting for smartpm to update the cache over my nasty internet to see if there are any updates from atrpms

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workman161:

I've rebooted the machine but netstat shows the sockets hanging at close_wait

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janneg:

sorry 0.19

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janneg:

sorry 0.19

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workman161:

right, so that quit button is too close to there

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workman161:

yeah, just upgraded my mythtv from 0.19–129 to 0.19–130 and no result

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workman161:

although today appears to be the first day of logging to the mysql database since the 13th, even though I restarted it a few times

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workman161:

mythweb throws out "Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 'MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 26': "

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workman161:

and netstat shows mythweb's socket still stuck at close_wait

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kormoc:

workman161, you need mythbackend and mythweb's versions to be identical

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workman161:

I hadn't updated anything since a few minutes ago, so everything was in sync from the day I installed fedora on the box 3 weeks ago

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workman161:

and if you notice, there is no REJECT response to that command sent.

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janneg:

workman161: have you restarted the backend?

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workman161:

the whole system, several times

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workman161:

also, the database says the backend keeps trying to autoexpire the same program, but it is still there

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workman161:

telnetting into the server and sending '21 MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 26' fails as well

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workman161:

no response at all.

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workman161:

what could possibly be the problem?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hi guys... Just getting around to re-configuring my backend after a long 'hiatus' of working on other things... Any ideas why my P

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workman161:

why you got cut off at 'P'?

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workman161:

No idea.

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J-e-f-f-A:

..PVR250 would be recognized by myth, but with the wrong inputs (Have PVR-250 and PVR-500 – the 500 works fine, 250 is not...)

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J-e-f-f-A:

(sorry, hit enter by mistake)

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workman161:

I wouldn't know

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J-e-f-f-A:

IE: Testing via cat </dev/video0 >test.mpg only works with svideo when 'input 1' is selected, not 'input 4' like it's supposed to... (The 500 works fine with input 4 on both tuners)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Actually, I'm an idiot...

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J-e-f-f-A:

I think I only set the ivtvctrl commands for /video0 ... thus the 500 would have defaulted to '1'...

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Aid`:

why?

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Aid`:

honest mistake, yourr no idoit

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... now to figure out why the backend doesn't want to work with them... (The PVR-250 is video0, the 500 is video1 and video2)

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J-e-f-f-A:

I wouldn't be in this predicament (sp?) if I had setup my backups before my backend's system hdd crashed... I had everything working nearly perfect... 3x Dish receivers feeding PVR-250 & PVR-500 and a HD3000 — mythweb, mythstreamtv.. etc everything worked perfect... Oh well, live and learn, right!

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Aid`:

how did you change channels?

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J-e-f-f-A:

With a serial IR blaster I built myself. The three receivers have different ir codes, so I just needed three shell scripts to do send the commands to lirc.

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Aid`:

What I like About getting a Satellite Tuner card is that you can record the 'whole' satellite signal then later go backand pick which shows you want to watch

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Aid`:

Thats just me though, i enjoy FTA satellites

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J-e-f-f-A:

Aid: Yeah, but they don't have those yet for me in the States... :-(

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Aid`:

J-e-f-f-A: im in the states there's a pretty good satellite w/free

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Aid`:

The show types are more limited but, hey its free

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J-e-f-f-A:

Aid`: The old 'big dish' stuff? How many channels are left nowadays?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Aid`: Plus it's analog, right?

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Aid`:

well it isn't C-band, its the higher freq range: KU Band. Most of the stuff on c-band and ku are digital now a days

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Aid`:

There's a very good premium movie channel, HD on c-band for free its considered 'the best of stars and showtime'

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J-e-f-f-A:

Aid`: Really? What type of equipment do you need (besides a large dish) Is it expensive?

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Greveees:

Anyone been able to run DVB + PVR 500 together??

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: I was running a HD3000 and PVR500 successfully for several months before my OS hdd crashed.

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Aid`:

J-e-f-f-A: for that movie channel you would need a big dish and a Satellite tuner card. You could get the big dish for free probably from someone's yard and then the card costs 80$

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Unfortunately I'm not setup 100% yet again, so I can't feed you any configs, but I can testify that mine worked well together.

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Greveees:

hmm, what distro you run?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: FC4

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Greveees:

cause I got the same setup (HDTV3000+PVR500+SS2)

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Aid`:

And then on the KU freq you can get like 3 Wb's, ABCs, UPNs, RetroTelevision, FOX's, and then tons of spanish programming

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Greveees:

Myth sees the 2 DVB cards (dvb0, dvb1)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Aid`: Do you have to re-point the dish, or is that all from 1 sat?

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Greveees:

but comes up empty on video0,video1

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Is the SS2 a HD tuner?

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Greveees:

no, DVB-S

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Aid`:

the KU is all on 1 satellite, and one polarity so you can record up to about 35 channels at once (thats if your hd can handle it)

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Greveees:

sry for the shorthand, SkyStar2

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Greveees:

Used to have a Nexus-S Before I got into Myth (old VDR junkie)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Humm... So your PVR-500 isn't recognized/initialized?

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Aid`:

Greveees: your having a problem with SkyStar2?

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Greveees:

Well, what am I looking for in the Dmesg?

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Greveees:

nope, both come up in the setup screen

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: It should show up if you do "dmesg |grep Initialized"

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Greveees:

I am able to tab through both, and Myth says they are both recognized... Tring to at least get the 500 running, get everythig set, then run the wires fomkr my dish and HD-Antenna once I'm 100% positive it all works

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Like this: ivtv0: Initialized Hauppauge WinTV PVR-250, card #0

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J-e-f-f-A:

ivtv1: Initialized WinTV PVR 500 (unit #2), card #1

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J-e-f-f-A:

ivtv2: Initialized WinTV PVR 500 (unit #1), card #2

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Greveees:

ha, all I got is my ieee1394 (firewire) device :(

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Greveees:

Sheeeeeeet

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Greveees:

man, this blows!!!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Did you put your aliases in /etc/modprobe.conf?

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Greveees:

I've been at this since 10 AM Central time (approx 9–10 hours)

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Greveees:

bad thing is I checked for my modprobe.conf, and I don;t have one... Seems liek Suse built EVERYTHING inot the kernel, no modules

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Greveees:

checked the kernel, not a single (m)

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Greveees:

all (*)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Ah.. SUSE... Humm... I don't know if that makes a difference for the dmesg messages...

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Greveees:

Shouldn't.... I've tried looking for any modules, anywhere, and come up empty each time

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Greveees:

man, I'm at wits end here.... not a very knowledgable Linux guy, and really all I can do is look for solutions on the net :(

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Greveees:

all i see is "Its easy, just go into /etc/modprobe.conf, andd these 2 lines, and reboot!!!" and I don't have a modprobe.conf :(

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: A quick 'google' turned up this site... http://www.zeitgeist.net/SuSE/ maybe it will help?

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workman161:

Greveees: then make /etc/modprobe.conf with those 2 lines and see what happens

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Or this site: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Suse

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Greveees:

Jeffa, one sec while I take a look

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Beirdo:

kormoc, got about half of the yuvdenoise code into Cg ;)

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Greveees:

Jeffa, ok to PM for a sec?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: sure...

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Beirdo:

the motion estimation will be tomorrow

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Beirdo:

and it's a bitch

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Greveees:

Jeffa, can you not see my chat?

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Greveees:

WTF..... Damn X-Chat

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: No — did you register? #mythtv-users :[freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg

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Greveees:

one sec, was not aware

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Greveees:

Jeffa, check this out and tell em what you think

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Greveees:

http://www.homerengineeringcorp.net/mythtv/mythtv10-x86-64.html

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kormoc:

Beirdo, nifty :P

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Hey, did you download and install the firmware into /usr/bin/hotplug/firmware ?

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Greveees:

no, didn't

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Do you do 'device driver' stuff for work, or is this just your hobby?

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Greveees:

I have to actually vreate that dir then???

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Beirdo:

used to do embedded software

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Beirdo:

then UNIX admin

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Beirdo:

now unemployed

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: It looks like that — see "Step 2 – Configure ivtv" – about 1/2 way down

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Beirdo:

for now

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Greveees:

ok, what dir do I have to run step one form??

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workman161:

haha oh wow I wasn't actually backing up the database I was deleting.

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Greveees:

I have a NEW ivtv-0.4.6 dir, that has a file named ivtfwextract.pl, not just plain ivtfwextract

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workman161:

woo hoo.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: What's the job market like down there?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Umm... What version of suse are you running?

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Beirdo:

decent I guess... if I had a work permit

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Greveees:

I go into that ivtv/utils/ dir, type in the following: ./ivtfwextract /lib/modules/2.6.13–15.11-default/ivtv

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Ah.. the tables have turned, eh? Now you're the 'foreigner'...

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Greveees:

and it tells me no such dir .ivtfwextract

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Greveees:

:(

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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Beirdo:

gives me time to work on gputrans

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: IIRC, I downloaded the .zip file to my windoze box, then extracted the fw files to my myth box...

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Greveees:

10.0

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Hey, I'd do the same as long as I had enough to get by with the bills... ;-) I'd enjoy the 'mini-vacation'.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: So then "dmesg |grep ivtv" should show that the card was detected, just that it couldn't find the firmware.

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Greveees:

ok, so extract the fw to the /lib/modules/2.6.13–15.11-default/ivtv dir?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Looks like they've got a direct link to just the firmware fiels now: http://pchdtv.com/downloads/firmware.tar.gz

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: From the PCHDTV site: "Firmware – Place contents in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/. This firmware supports ATSC and QAM on the HD-3000 and ATSC on the HD-2000. This also should be the only thing you need to install to get either model of card working."

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Oops... brain fart... wrong card... one sec...

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Greveees:

yeah, took a look and was very confused

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** J-e-f-f-A is looing on the Hauppauge site... **

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J-e-f-f-A:

Does yum work on suse?

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Greveees:

no, never could get it ot work, checked in the yast, and no RPM for it

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J-e-f-f-A:

The yum name is 'ivtv-firmware' — Humm... maybe I could just put them somewhere for you...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: do a 'dmesg |grep ivtv ' — does it show detecting the PVR 500, but yelling about the firmware?

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Greveees:

ivtv_tveeprom: module not supported by Novell, setting U taint flag.

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Greveees:

thats what I get :(

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Beirdo:

screw Novell :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Umm... see if this will work (probably not, but maybe...) apt-get install ivtv-firmware

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Yeah-- "Novell" Wasn't that a competitor to MSDOS?!? ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Send me a mail msg to jartz * netzero and I'll reply with them.

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Greveees:

one sec

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Greveees:

tried apt-get... ivtv-firware package not found

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Yeah, I figured as much... it doesn't know where to download it from. (the repositiories aren't setup)

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Greveees:

ok did a : mkdir -p /usr/bin/hotplug/firmware

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Greveees:

mor ethatn likely that where the FW needs to be

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Greveees:

or where it needs ot look for it, correct?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: I believe so. Did you send me an email?

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Greveees:

not yet... one sec

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Ok, got the fw files tar'd up... ready to reply...

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Greveees:

ok, mail sent

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GreyFoxx:

You can try emailing the -dev list

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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Greveees:

thx for taking the time to help me out, its really appreciated

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: no problem... Now I just have to wait for NZ to get it... :-(

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Greveees:

send mail to sean_hanna_2733 * yahoo . CoM

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Greveees:

send to that addy

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: 10–4... one sec...

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Greveees:

its my junk-mail addy neways

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Greveees:

need my E-Mail address to log in, or sign-up, here ya go.. use this one :) hehehehehehehe

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Greveees:

I usually rotate (add/delete) yahoo addy's once every 3–4 months

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Ok, it's on it's way... ;-)

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Greveees:

ok... now I untar it in the usr/bin/hotplug/firmware dir, correct??

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: yeah, my NZ is my 'public' junk address... I've had it for years – gets lots of spam, but that's what filters and spammassasin are for...

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Greveees:

hehehehehhehehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Yeah – that page says to copy them to /usr/bin/hotplug/firmware

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evil_andy:

ok, I'm having an odd problem, I just emerged mythtv for gentoo, am running mythtv-setup, but all the text is just showing up as boxes... any ideas/suggestions?

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Greveees:

had my old addy for qwest DSL, wife clicked on a few ads, enetered in my addy to win free dinners, Ipods, X-Box's and I got over 200 E-Mails in one week, 99.9% all spam

[02:39:14]

Greveees:

finally dropped DSL for cable

[02:39:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: I dropped cable for FiOS in November... No looking back!!! 15Mbps! ;-)

[02:40:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Did you get the file yet?

[02:41:08]

Greveees:

nice.. DLed it, extracted to the dir... all 3 files

[02:41:15]

Greveees:

now.....

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: According to this page... modprove ivtv

[02:41:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Then dmesg | grep ivtv

[02:41:52]

Greveees:

ok, will try

[02:41:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: and you should be all set....

[02:42:34]

Greveees:

crap. I think its hung itself

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** J-e-f-f-A crosses his fingers for Greveees ... **

[02:42:50]

Greveees:

damn-it

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** J-e-f-f-A frowns! **

[02:42:52]

Greveees:

:(

[02:42:59]

Greveees:

its hung up on the modprobe

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... any other SUSE myth users here that can lend Greveees a hand?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Did you create /etc/modprobe.conf ?

[02:45:19]

Greveees:

no, should I??

[02:46:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: I think so... It should have the ivtv alias lines in it I think...

[02:47:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Did you compile your own kernel?

[02:48:03]

Greveees:

nope, precompiled

[02:48:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Is there a /lib/firmware directory?

[02:48:49]

Greveees:

yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: I've found a message via google that mentions having to move it to /lib/firmware – even though the ivtv doc says /usr/bin/hotplug/firmware — So try that and see what happens...

[02:49:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: (Or put them in both places...)

[02:50:21]

Greveees:

so files you gave me to that dir.. right?

[02:50:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Yep.

[02:51:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: It looks like your kernel is setup for the /lib/firmware directory.

[02:51:15]

Greveees:

now dmesg | grep ivtv?

[02:51:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: I have no idea what to do about the 'modprobe' locking up though... Is it still locked up?

[02:51:46]

Greveees:

no, I closed the terminal session

[02:51:54]

Greveees:

started a new one

[02:52:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Did it work this time?

[02:52:46]

Greveees:

ok, I did a dmesg | grep ivtv got a long list of stuff... care to look it over for me??

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Just do a "dmesg |grep Initialized" — you should see both 'cards' of the PVR500 initialized now...

[02:53:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: (It's basically seen as two seperate PVR-150's, although I think IVTV now 'properly' identifies it as a PVR-500)

[02:53:55]

Greveees:

same thig as before.... ieee394

[02:54:06]

Greveees:

but I did see something starnge before

[02:54:11]

Greveees:

lemme paste here

[02:54:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Ok, then use pastebin...

[02:54:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: . Use http://pastebin.ca/ to paste the output

[02:55:00]

Greveees:

ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

[02:55:16]

Greveees:

ivtv0: did you put the firmware in the hotplug firmware directory?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Well, that's better... for some reason it can't find the firmware file. Did you leave it in both locations?

[02:55:41]

Greveees:

yulp

[02:55:45]

Greveees:

one sec

[02:57:21]

Greveees:

ok, yeah, both places

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: The good news is that ivtv does appear to be part of your kernel, so just getting the firmware files in the right place should make it work...

[02:58:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Now to figure out the right place... Since /lib/firmware and /usr/bin/hotplug/firmware don't seem to be the right place... Maybe do a locate on 'firmware' and see what else turns up?

[02:59:28]

Greveees:

ok, read this for a sec

[02:59:43]

Greveees:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Suse

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Ah, perhaps it's /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware then --- (note 'lib' not 'bin')

[03:01:37]

Greveees:

I saw that

[03:02:01]

Greveees:

now I just copied those files you gave me over, still no go... maybe all the files??

[03:02:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: I don't think so... Well, now they're copying *.bin on this page... one sec...

[03:02:50]

Greveees:

I tried ot do what they said, no files :(

[03:03:58]

Greveees:

man !!!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Did you get it, or are you just flustrated?

[03:05:06]

Greveees:

no, still flustered

[03:05:11]

Greveees:

take a look here too

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Hey... I did a locate on .bin and found ivtv-fw-enc.bin and ivtv-fw-dec.bin — do you have those?

[03:05:23]

Greveees:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto

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Greveees:

find -name ivtv-fw-enc.bin correct use?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Yeah, that's what I was looking at before. — amost: find / -name ivtv-fw-enc.bin

[03:07:59]

Greveees:

notta

[03:08:15]

Greveees:

found nothign

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Greveees:

*nothing

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Greveees:

look t step B on that page

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Greveees:

ivtv and dvb together

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J-e-f-f-A:

That might be an issue too... I'll tar 'em up and send them to you... then put them in /lib/modules

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Greveees:

ok, cause i'm using a pchdtv3000 AND 500mce too

[03:10:51]

Greveees:

i.e. Known combinations include Hauppauge PVR350 and 500 with the pcHD3000

[03:12:05]

Greveees:

now what does this mean?? try using the kernel tveeprom instead of the ivtv tveeprom-ivtv module

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Well, like I said, I've got a PVR-500, PVR-250 and a HD3000 in my system... And they all worked fine together.

[03:12:27]

Greveees:

is this assuming I compiled my own kernel?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Umm... lemme check...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Does 'dmesg |grep ivtv' return "version 0.3.7 (c) loading", or "(tagged release) loading"?

[03:15:28]

Greveees:

no, 0.4.6...... the newest ones

[03:15:33]

Greveees:

hmmmm

[03:15:53]

Greveees:

maybe we need to ditch those and use the supplied (0.3.7) ones????

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Ok. Let's try getting those .bin files into /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware and see what happens.

[03:16:01]

Greveees:

ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: I doubt it... I think it just wants the .bin files now...

[03:16:31]

Greveees:

ivtfwextract you have that file?

[03:16:54]

Greveees:

one if the steps was to do that to "extract the 0.3.7 firmware to the module dir

[03:16:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Nope.

[03:16:58]

Greveees:

"

[03:18:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: And my .bin files are in /lib/modules only — my firmware files are in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware (but this is FC4)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: You should have an archive in your inbox...

[03:21:34]

Greveees:

ok, one sec

[03:21:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Hey — that's a typo btw... the extract util is /usr/lib/ivtv/ivtvfwextract.pl (Note the missing "v" in ivtv...)

[03:22:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: (I just found it via a locate for 'fwextract')

[03:22:21]

Greveees:

saw that, I did it, and its missing a file pvr48xxx.exe

[03:23:01]

Greveees:

saws can't find it

[03:23:05]

Greveees:

*says

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Ah... You need to download that from Hauppauge – it's the windoze driver package... But if this works, (the .bin files I sent you), then you don't need to do that...

[03:23:25]

Greveees:

ok, extract , or copy this to usr/lib/hotplug/firmware... right?

[03:23:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Extract it to /lib/modules

[03:24:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Then try "modprobe ivtv" again

[03:25:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Then cross your fingers and type "dmesg

[03:26:18]

Greveees:

POS hung itself again

[03:26:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: ... oops... "dmesg |grep ivtv" and hopefully you'll see "Initialized WinTV PVR 500 (unit #1), card #0" this time...

[03:27:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Humm... well, try it again, like you did last time. (strange that it's hanging though... imho)

[03:27:22]

Greveees:

same result... says its missing that file

[03:27:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: missing the firmware?

[03:27:58]

Greveees:

unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

[03:28:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Ok, so you're running SUSE 10.0 — do you have the source code too?

[03:28:29]

Greveees:

installed kernel-source yes

[03:29:33]

Greveees:

go into /usr/src/linux make oldconfig make xconfig right.... cause I take it I'm going to re-compile the kernel, correct?

[03:30:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: From a newsgroup msg – try this: (notsure if this works for everywhere...) --> grep FIRMWARE `locate hotplug.functions`

[03:30:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: "or if that doesn't work:" grep FIRMWARE `locate firmware.agent`

[03:30:30]

Greveees:

type in: grep FIRMWARE `locate hotplug.functions`

[03:31:01]

Greveees:

bash: locate: command not found

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Greveees:

and it just hung itself again

[03:31:19]

Greveees:

what a piece of work :)

[03:31:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ah... mine returns "FIRMWARE_DIR=/lib/firmware" ...

[03:31:28]

Greveees:

gotta love my system :)

[03:31:45]

Greveees:

I saw that somewhere too.........

[03:31:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: try /sbin/locate — /sbin probably isn't in your path...

[03:33:38]

Greveees:

bash: /sbin/locate: No such file or directory

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Greveees:

and it just hung itself again

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Humm... see if you can find locate with find... find / -name locate

[03:36:30]

Greveees:

nothing

[03:36:34]

Greveees:

hey, check this

[03:36:53]

Greveees:

From what I've gathered, the drivers used in SUSE 10.0 came from ivtv version 0.3.7

[03:37:03]

Greveees:

That release has it's own set of firmware, which I have mirrored here.

[03:37:39]

Greveees:

so maybe if I'm not gonna replace the whole thing, I need to get the 0.3.7 ver "which has its own set of firmware"

[03:37:50]

Greveees:

which I've downloaded already

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: okay... Give it a shot.

[03:39:03]

Greveees:

ok, I've got it all downloaded.... where to place the FW?

[03:39:20]

Greveees:

/lib/modules?

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Greveees:

/usr/bin/hotplug/firmware

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Greveees:

/usr/lib/hotplug/firmware

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Greveees:

all the above :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: That's the question... We've tried all of the above ... perhaps /lib/firmware is the only one left to try?

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Greveees:

SOB, the same sh!t

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** J-e-f-f-A humph... **

[03:43:28]

Greveees:

now with this line: ./ivtvfwextract.pl /path/to/firmware

[03:43:39]

Greveees:

the path/to/firmware is what?

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Greveees:

wher the original ivtv was found, right?

[03:44:27]

Greveees:

which is:

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Greveees:

/lib/modules/2.6.13–15.11-default/ivtv

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: That's the .exe file ... the link on the ivtv page links to: ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-pvr_250-3 . . . .8.22037.exe

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Greveees:

thats the only place I have found these ivtv firmware

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: I believe you'll end up with the same .fw and .bin files that I already sent you...

[03:47:10]

lu:

look at the firmware.agent script in /etc/hotplug (on gentoo atleast) Shows how it tries to find firmware files

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J-e-f-f-A:

lu, Greveees Yep – same file on FC4 — mine says "FIRMWARE_DIR=/lib/firmware"

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Greveees:

why don't I have a firmware.agent??

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: do you have the firmware files (v4l*.fw) in your /lib/firmware directory?

[03:51:53]

Greveees:

god, I'm going insane here'

[03:52:45]

Greveees:

yulp

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Greveees:

all 3 of em

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humph... Try putting the .bin files in there too ... I'm running out of ideas...

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lu:

did u by any chance mount anything with -o bind to ur sysfs? I did that when settings up a 32-bit chroot on my amd64, it confused the firmware.agent

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Greveees:

I'm runing a amd64, 64 bit distro

[03:55:00]

Greveees:

how can I check

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lu:

run the sed script that is in firmware.agent...

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lu:

sed -n 's/^.* ([^ ]*) sysfs .*$/1/p' /proc/mounts

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lu:

it shuold just return /sys

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Greveees:

yes it does

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Greveees:

just comes back as: /sys

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lu:

yea, thats right

[03:57:17]

lu:

I solved my firmware issues with a lot of kprintf statements in the code, beyond that I can't be of much more help

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J-e-f-f-A:

lu, Greveees: It would seem that ivtv can't find the firmware files... We've tried /usr/bin/hotplug/firmware and usr/bin/hotplug/firmware and /usr/firmware to no avail...

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lu:

ivtv uses the kernels firmware loading code to get the firmware, and it spawns firmware.agent to find the file to load

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Do you have a file named 'firmware.agent' on your system?

[03:59:34]

Greveees:

nope

[03:59:40]

Greveees:

ok, I've found something here

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** J-e-f-f-A is smiling... **

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lu:

its part of the hotplug package on my distro

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Greveees:

NM

[04:00:23]

Greveees:

false-alarm :(

[04:02:15]

Greveees:

man.... I'm getting sick of this crap :(

[04:02:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: It will be worth it though... Trust me, I felt the same way at first!

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lu:

I'll second that :)

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Greveees:

maybe tomarrow I just re-compile the whole kernel... this time only using what I need, and putting all my dvb/SS2, and 3000 stuff in as modules??

[04:04:42]

Greveees:

and my 500MCE stuff too

[04:04:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: ... wait a sec... try this...

[04:04:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: depmod -a

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: modprobe ivtv

[04:05:10]

Greveees:

cause I went in there and did a make xconfig, and EVERYTHING was (*) only a few thigns weren't

[04:05:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

(as su)

[04:05:58]

Greveees:

and it just hung itself again

[04:06:22]

Greveees:

maybe I should just add what I need and leave all the rest of the crap out

[04:06:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Maybe try a re-boot and see if all the things we have tried have left linux in a bad state...

[04:06:42]

Greveees:

the only thing I worry about is losing my USB wireless device

[04:06:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: I know it's not winblows, but it might work...

[04:07:00]

Greveees:

ok, I'll reboot, brb

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Any luck?

[04:10:21]

Greveees:

well, I'm back on

[04:11:18]

Greveees:

hmmm

[04:11:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Try dmesg |grep ivtv first to see if it automatically attempted to load on boot...

[04:11:29]

Greveees:

well, look at this and tell me what you think

[04:12:07]

Greveees:

ivtv1: Initialized WinTV PVR 500 (unit #2), card #1

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J-e-f-f-A:

YES!

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Greveees:

ivtv: ==================== END INIT IVTV ====================

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Greveees:

thats all she wrote

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J-e-f-f-A:

type "ls /dev/video?" — you should get /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 ... ;-)

[04:13:48]

Greveees:

0, 1, 2

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Greveees:

I think 0 is for my 3000

[04:14:13]

Greveees:

don't ask me why

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J-e-f-f-A:

yahoo! Do you have an antenna hooked up to your pvr-500?

[04:14:22]

Greveees:

not here... other room

[04:14:29]

Greveees:

thanks again for all the help

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Greveees:

I really appreciate it

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J-e-f-f-A:

Well, you could try a test capture anyways, you'll probably just get static, but that's a good sign that the tuner is working... mplayer /dev/video1

[04:15:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

(make sure your audio is NOT turned up loud, or you'll give yourself a heart-attack with the static!)

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Greveees:

I tried on here all day today and all I got back was either silence, or the famous RTFM, that will tell ya, or my favorite... "you could always look for a guide on the distro you are using, maybe that'll help ya"

[04:16:19]

Greveees:

now, how can I get MPlayer?

[04:16:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: No problemo.

[04:16:28]

Greveees:

Suse doesn't have a RPM for it

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: I found a howto for suse on http://itsyourpc.org/ivtv/install.html

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Greveees:

no MPLayer package either

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: I think it's all lower-case : mplayer

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Cardoe:

Snakes on Plane was GREAT

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Cardoe:

just FYI

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J-e-f-f-A:

Cardoe: What was it about? ;-) Just kidding! ;-)

[04:19:06]

Greveees:

E: Couldn't find package mplayer

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Greveees:

AAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

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Greveees:

man.... FTLOG, why doesn't Suse have a mplayer rpm??

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Greveees:

or why can't apt get it??

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Greveees:

apt-get install-mplayer right?

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Greveees:

sry, remove the -

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Greveees:

apt-get install mplayer

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: I've gotta crash, but I found several links with a google search for "mplayer suse 10.0" — check them out...

[04:22:40]

Greveees:

yeah, looking now

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Greveees:

thx again

[04:22:58]

Greveees:

one more ques.. any way to increase partitions on the fly??

[04:23:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: ttyl....

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greveees: Partitions — if you're using LVM, yes, otherwise I don't think so... (But I must go to bed now... ttyl)

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defaultro:

it's ok :P

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macly:

I'm getting some funky fonts (i.e. everything looks like boxes) when I try to use mythtv-setup

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macly:

any ideas or suggestions as to why that might be occuring?

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mertfloof:

Hey all. I have two encoders, one of which is hooked to digital cable, the other to regular cable. Can I work with two separate datadirect lineups so that, for example, my analog card doesn't try to record ch 150, which it doesn't get?

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mertfloof:

Would all the shows double up in my listing because I am pulling in from two video sources?

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mchou:

mertfloof: that's exactly how it's done

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mchou:

but you will get two listings in the epg iirc

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mchou:

well duplicate listings

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mertfloof:

rats

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mchou:

mertfloof: why is that such a problem anyways?

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mertfloof:

Well, if I browse the program listings, I would see every channel and show twice that the two sources share?

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mchou:

I never even look at the epg myself

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mertfloof:

And on search results?

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Anduin:

mertfloof: You record from different inputs right?

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mertfloof:

Right, but I was hoping it would be more or less transparent

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mchou:

mertfloof: it is transparent. you're making a mountain out of a molehill

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mertfloof:

I was hoping the channel info wouldn't duplicate because the id's are still the same

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mertfloof:

Okay, I'll try it.

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mertfloof:

Just have to keep the customers happy – wife and four kids.

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mertfloof:

I recently tried an FC5 upgrade that went badly, and resulted in a two day MythTV outage, so I can't be messing around too much.

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mertfloof:

:)

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macly:

ok, back

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macly:

anyone know what fonts mythtv requires?

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defaultro:

hey mchou, nice to see you back

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Anduin:

macly: many, the particular one in your setup screen, no, though you can look in the theme file

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macly:

ahh, thanks, where would that be?

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Anduin:

macly: setup.xml

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Anduin:

No fonts there though

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Anduin:

macly: Why not open up a font select and see which one is bad?

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macly:

well I think it may be substituting the fonts...

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macly:

i.e. it's trying to use Arial :P

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macly:

found it

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macly:

theme.xml

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Anduin:

Yeah Arial is used most places.

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macly:

cool, now just to find what package has arial in it :P

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macly:

well... I'm closer now...

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macly:

now they're not boxes anymore, but they're also not words :P

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macly:

ok, I think I fixed it... YAY! thanks for the help

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kkkkkkk_:

hi!

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JohnQ:

I'm noticing a strange behavior with my myth system. Ya know on the Watch Recording page where it shows whatever show you have highlighted in a mini window? I starts as a static image, and then plays the video. Well.. if the video has been transcoded to mpeg4, then once it begins playing, the colors are wacky... blue skin on people etc.. But the static thumbnail is fine.. as are the colors when you actually view the show. What mig

[07:22:58]

kkkkkkk_:

does anyone have any experience using newcamd with mythtv?

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nostar:

any bttv users here?

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nostar:

im trying to determine if my card is bad. i load bttv and i get 3 lines in dmesg, and no /dev/video* gets created

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nostar:

the bttv howto shows more output from dmesg and it says /dev/video0 should be avail at that point

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ikke_:

JohnQ: My colleque just asked me the other day how to get rid of that blueish problem. He has ATI. I don't experience that with NVIDIA.

[07:41:46]

JohnQ:

my video card is an ati... but it only happens in the preview window with mpeg4... I wonder if it could be a video issue... seems odd.

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ikke_:

only preview? this happens always. and with other players also if first wathced with mythtv. weird.

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ikke_:

but if he starts watching dvb e.g. with xine, picture is ok until he starts mythtv.

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ikke_:

any ideas?

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JohnQ:

never heard of that.. sounds like a different problem than mine.

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kfullert:

ok ... this may be a dumd question – can i use MythTV without the TV part if I don't have a TV Tuner card but want to use it for DVD/MP3 playback?

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Anduin:

kfullert: You could, there are other projects that you could use as well.

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kfullert:

Anduin: ok ... well the plan is to try Myth before getting a tuner so i guess it'd be easier to use Myth sans TV and then install a tuner card at a later date?

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qu0zl:

that'd work kfullert , but the mp3/video parts of mythtv aren't as polished as the tv parts. So keep that in mind

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fish_:

re

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Anduin:

kfullert: You could, and what qu0zl said.

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ikke_:

JohnQ: still there? this might be related to your problem as well: et kiitos vaan avusta :D

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ikke_:

http://threebit.net/mail-archive/mythtv-dev/msg01371.html

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JohnQ:

thanks

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ikke_:

sorry pasted something extra by accident...

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ikke_:

but the link says ati has different register meanings for setting the colors

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JohnQ:

somone in the dev channel said it would probably be fixed in 0.20

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ikke_:

good to know. hopefully backported to 19.1-fixes

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Juski:

morning!

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Hoxzer_:

:( morning

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Hoxzer_:

I came late

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Juski:

always better than coming too early, but either way it's too much information

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Juski:

my dvb radio export user job script is working now & tagging the output files. now it just needs to be cleaned up :)

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Juski:

there should be a note on the user jobs wiki page that stuff like %TITLE% actually have to be in caps

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evilDagmar:

Geez commercial flagging either wigged out or it's a *lot* faster on the 3200+.

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evilDagmar:

Looks like it did a two-hour movie in about seventeen minutes

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[pyro]:

whats the best video capture card to buy at the moment? For use with myth tv of corse.

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[pyro]:

tv-tuner card

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evilDagmar:

Any Hauppauge PVR-xxx card

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evilDagmar:

You might as well start with teh PVR-500 if you're planning on having more than one tuner available at a time

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[pyro]:

cool

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evilDagmar:

...mind you, this is only useful for analog/broadcast/cable

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[pyro]:

evilDagmar: what about HDTV ?

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[pyro]:

although its a bit sketchy at the moment isnt it? for us Aus users..

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evilDagmar:

I can't tell you anything much about HDTV cards

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[pyro]:

ok

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evilDagmar:

I know two people with the pcHD3000, but that's about all I know about it

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[pyro]:

evilDagmar: working with myth tv i take it?

[09:43:40]

evilDagmar:

Yep

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Juski:

I'd recommend anything BUT framegrabber cards

[09:44:42]

evilDagmar:

Yep. If it says "Brooktree" anywhere on the box, just put it down

[09:45:01]

Juski:

so that'd be either DVB, HDTV, Hauppauge PVR or that USB DivX encoder thing

[09:45:17]

[pyro]:

hmm

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[pyro]:

the pvr-500 looks good. 2 encoders in the 1 card. But it doesnt have a remote

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hads|home:

Just get a seperate remote

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[pyro]:

yeah

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Juski:

if you ever plan to have the backend in another room a seperate remote is about the only option anyway

[09:47:30]

Juski:

IMHO it's easier to makea quiet frontend than a cool, quiet & aesthetically pleasing combined machine :)

[09:47:39]

hads|home:

Agree

[09:47:51]

Juski:

cheaper too

[09:47:59]

Juski:

and smaller

[09:48:03]

Juski:

no argument

[09:48:07]

hads|home:

I think I'm going to pick up a couple of MCE remotes

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[pyro]:

so a beastie box with pvr-500 in it somewhere else.. and a POS box with a nice case / remote for the front end connected to the tv/

[09:48:25]

[pyro]:

?

[09:48:59]

[pyro]:

so whats the go for remotes at the moment? any stand out amongst the others?

[09:50:29]

Juski:

remotes are a matter of taste

[09:50:56]

[pyro]:

hmm

[09:52:25]

Juski:

[pyro]: don't go overboard with the PoS factor. If you wanna play back HD, you'd prolly be better off having a faster CPU in that than in the backend

[09:54:23]

[pyro]:

yeah, i was in here the other day asking about opteron boards

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[pyro]:

ive found a nice asus one with dvi / tv and std vga out

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[pyro]:

nvida chipset

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[pyro]:

so it will be an opteron 248 2.2ghz 64bit machine with 1gb ram..

[09:55:22]

[pyro]:

i have 2 of these processors just sitting here doing nothing so i figured id turn them both into myth box's

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hads|home:

Sounds noisy :)

[09:55:39]

[pyro]:

yeah i know :(

[09:55:51]

[pyro]:

i may have to find a 3rd party heatsink / fan

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[pyro]:

http://au.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2 . . . ;modelmenu=1

[09:55:56]

[pyro]:

thats the mobo

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[pyro]:

the standard heatsink / fan that comes with opterons sounds like a 747

[10:04:10]

DGnome:

CAM: Conax 4.00e, 01, 0B00, 04B1 <-- soo, this means that I should have a functional CAM

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DGnome:

?

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haj:

anyone installed on gentoo recently ? i get "Please re-emerge =x11-libs/qt-3, after having the use flags set." because of missing USE-flags... it's fixed, but i can't install =x11-libs/qt-3

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Zider:

haj: emerge "=x11-libs/qt-3.3.6-r1"

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Zider:

or "<=x11-libs/qt-4" to get the latest before qt4

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Zider:

which would be the same ;)

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haj:

Zider: thanks for the tip

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Zider:

no problem

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haj:

Zider: just switched to gentoo yesterday :) so far i like it, but i look forward to being done with compiling basic stuff :)

[10:45:29]

haj:

i'm happy i'm not using a P200 ;)

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Juski:

hiya stuarta. my script is done & appears to be working. just have to tidy it up :)

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stuarta:

morning Juski. I managed exactly zero coding last night :(

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Juski:

ack

[10:59:10]

Juski:

I'm managing to do stuff and still have something of a life, which is nice

[10:59:15]

stuarta:

and it was a perfect testing night. no recordings or anything.

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stuarta:

i just schedule days/evenings as life/myth

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Juski:

time to grab amarok for the gentoo box

[11:02:59]

Zider:

haj: ah, nice.. I switched to it a couple of years ago :)

[11:03:49]

Juski:

this is only to check my mp3 tags on the converted files. everything else I have sucks

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stuarta:

easytag is good for me

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Juski:

almost forgot I need to add a debug ARG for the script to print out what I _would_ have done

[11:07:07]

Juski:

s/I/it

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Juski:

270 lines so far!

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Juski:

arrgghhh amarok failed to emerge

[11:08:59]

Juski:

/bin/sed: can't read //usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.5/libstdc++.la: No

[11:09:02]

Juski:

such file or directory

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Juski:

nasty

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Zider:

uhm

[11:09:52]

Zider:

sounds broken

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Juski:

I'll just use easytag instead

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stuarta:

wonder if emerge trout works.... :-/

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Juski:

whoah. i can't emerge anything by the look of it

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stuarta:

houston, we have a problem

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Zider:

sounds very broken :P

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janneg:

Juski: is gcc-3.3.5 installed?

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Juski:

it's looking for 3.3.5 but I have 3.3.6

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Zider:

shouldn't it be /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/ btw?

[11:12:14]

stuarta:

needs to be educated

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janneg:

Juski: gcc-config -l

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Juski:

i686-foo-blahblah

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Juski:

i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.6

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janneg:

but the right installed version

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Juski:

the one I just pasted has an asterisk next to it

[11:14:12]

janneg:

fix_libtool_files.sh with appropiate options

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Zider:

eselect compiler set <name or number>

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Juski:

eselect doesn't work

[11:15:10]

Zider:

what does it say?

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Juski:

eselect: command not found

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Zider:

uhm

[11:16:07]

Juski:

and fix_libtool_files.sh scanned some files & paths

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Zider:

emerge eselect and hope it works? :P

[11:17:37]

Juski:

I doubt it will work

[11:18:26]

Juski:

ah it emerged okay but the eselect command you gave didn't work

[11:18:36]

Juski:

"rror: Can't load module compiler"

[11:18:42]

Zider:

hmm

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** stuarta prefers apt-get **

[11:19:05]

Zider:

emerge eselect-compiler

[11:19:08]

Zider:

:P

[11:19:16]

** Zider never liked apt **

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** stuarta never liked rpm **

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janneg:

Juski: fix_libtool_files.sh 3.3.5

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Zider:

who does :P

[11:19:55]

** haj liked apt... but never liked rpm :) **

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Juski:

ahh. doing an fgrep on /etc for i386 found env.d/05gcc-i686-pc-linux-gnu:PATH="/usr/i386-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.3.5&qu ot;

[11:20:12]

haj:

i still like apt.. when it works

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Juski:

here goes...

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laga:

Zider, stuarta: you guys should install apt4rpm

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Juski:

seems to be working... thanks janneg

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stuarta:

laga: Production systems, only have core rhel4 on them :)

[11:25:17]

Juski:

bugger. it's still looking for i386-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.5/libstdc++.la

[11:25:20]

laga:

heh

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Juski:

or rather now it's looking for 3.3.5 rather than 3.3.4

[11:26:07]

Juski:

trying fix_libtool_files.sh i686

[11:26:25]

laga:

maybe you forgot to run env-update.sh && source /etc/profile? it's been a long time since i worked with gentoo, though...

[11:26:33]

Juski:

doh yeah

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ikonia:

is there a command line interface for mythtv – or setup

[11:28:29]

ikonia:

I'm logged in remotly to my mythtv box and would like to run through the setup

[11:28:37]

stuarta:

sadly no

[11:28:42]

ikonia:

didn't think so

[11:28:44]

ikonia:

it was a long shot

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Juski:

I use vnc for stuff like that

[11:29:38]

ikonia:

X over the internet...no thanks ;)

[11:29:54]

stuarta:

it works, just use less colors

[11:31:19]

ikonia:

bit sluggish though

[11:31:41]

stuarta:

better than twiddling your thumbs

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Juski:

hrm. should I have had i386 in /etc/env.d/gcc/config-i686-pc-linux-gnu ? cos I did

[11:31:55]

ikonia:

true, I've got other stuff to do though

[11:31:59]

ikonia:

I can sort it out when I get home

[11:32:57]

Juski:

this is the problem with gentoo for me. when you emerge stuff they print pages of warnings about stuff, and effectively ask you to change things you might not understand

[11:35:42]

stuarta:

think i'll wait 30mins before having lunch, it's about to piss down raining

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Juski:

env.d/05gcc-i686-pc-linux-gnu was the offending file I think.. here I go again

[11:36:41]

stuarta:

plus I can watch England play badly in the cricket...

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Zider:

laga: why would I want that?

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laga:

Zider: because i'd annoy ya :)

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laga:

it would*

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** stuarta considers slow roast gardengnome for lunch **

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Zider:

laga: not really, since I don't use .rpm or .deb at all

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Juski:

yay I fink i fixed it. now I can go buy my lunch

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stuarta:

anything tasty?

[11:40:05]

Juski:

nah. sandwiches

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Juski:

too wet to go to the pub today. long walk

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stuarta:

ooo tunder & lightning....

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Juski:

ooo fack. if I'm not very careful my box will soon be completely screwed

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laga:

stuarta: :/

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stuarta:

have decided against slow roast gardengnome :)

[11:49:01]

Juski:

ooo shit. it's coming back to me.

[11:49:14]

Juski:

there are symlinks of erm.. things I changed a while back

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Juski:

I'm screwed

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stuarta:

uh oh

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Juski:

fucking gentoo & its changing around of methods

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** stuarta hands juski a different distribution **

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Juski:

see this help page which you won't understand cos we explain FA

[11:51:19]

stuarta:

i've decided gentoo is good for servers & a PITA for anything else.

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Zider:

for me it's good for anything :P

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Juski:

yeah for ricers & people too brainy to need userfriendliness...

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Zider:

ricers?

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Zider:

I hate rice

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Juski:

maybe if I re-emerge gcc it'll fix it all by itself :-/

[11:54:45]

Zider:

it might

[11:55:04]

Juski:

what do I have to lose?

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stuarta:

everything

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Juski:

apart from a few hours I mean

[11:55:39]

Juski:

hang on so if I emerge gcc, existing libraries may be screwed?

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Zider:

what libraries?

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Juski:

stuff that's been made before

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Juski:

never mind

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Zider:

no

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Juski:

this problem has got me confuzzled

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Juski:

now, nothing in env.d points to i386-pc-foo.. it's all i686

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Zider:

I assume make.conf is set for 686? :P

[11:59:26]

Juski:

I actually _have_ 3.3.6 installed, and I found another ickle problem... a file in env.d referred to 3.3.5

[11:59:57]

Juski:

if easytag now builds I've fixed it & I have another reason to hate gentoo & Linux

[12:00:22]

Juski:

bah! libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.5/

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Zider:

wtf have you managed to do? :P

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Zider:

I don't think I ever had any problems like that

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Zider:

Juski: is CHOST set for i686?

[12:03:08]

Juski:

Zider: yes

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Zider:

mkay

[12:03:38]

Juski:

actually i686-pc-linux-gnu

[12:03:43]

Zider:

yes

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Juski:

gcc 3.3.6 is installed

[12:04:15]

Zider:

hm.. I wonder how it might think that you have i386 then

[12:05:06]

Juski:

I dunno. if I knew that I'd have fixed it :)

[12:06:07]

Zider:

hm.. well, setting CHOST to i686, emerging gcc and setting the profile with eselect should be all.. I never needed to do anything else..

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Juski:

I'm not the first to have the problem, seemingly... http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-279020.html

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Zider:

you're the first I've heard about that had the problem :D

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Juski:

gentoo (yeah I'm alright jack, oh fuck it broke)

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Zider:

hm?

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Juski:

ah screw it I need to eat

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Juski:

maybe I should keep a diary

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Juski:

note what I changed & when

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Juski:

I can see me needing to reinstall this box

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stuarta:

unemerge *

[12:41:13]

Beirdo:

unemerge world

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Beirdo:

hehe

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stuarta:

or should that be hide :)

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Beirdo:

crumple crumple... toss.

[12:41:55]

stuarta:

didn't but any books last night

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Beirdo:

aww

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stuarta:

decided i'd get bored reading about the intricasies of video encoding

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Zider:

emerge -C world would be more correct ;P

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

Zider, sure, but ya get the idea

[12:43:03]

Zider:

ofcourse I do :)

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stuarta:

at this point I doubt Juski could do any more damage with that.

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Juski:

hrm libtool --config doesn't list anything with i386 or < 3.3.6

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Merlin83b:

I think my mythtv box needs more memory.

[12:44:18]

Merlin83b:

I don't want it to be needed but I may have to concede defeat.

[12:44:32]

Juski:

I think my mythtv box needs more Ubuntu

[12:45:03]

Zider:

mine just needs a tuner card..

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fatmatt:

Juski: me too

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** laga thinks we need more mythtv distros based on ubuntu **

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Juski:

I might need to look at the ebuild for easytag to find out where it's getting i386 from

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Juski:

everything the emerge outputs is right AFAICT.. all i686-foobar 3.3.6

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Juski:

unless I changed flags I forgot all about it

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Juski:

possible

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Juski:

it's trying to use gtk, so if that was built with an old config against i386, would that be the issue?

[12:49:10]

Zider:

could be yes

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Juski:

is there a way to find out what gtk was build with/against ?

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Juski:

ldd?

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Juski:

if only I'd kept the stage tarball I used to install this box.. then I'd know for sure

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Zider:

I dunno.. but you can use emerge -ep easytag to have it rebuild all the dependencies as well

[12:52:05]

Juski:

getting the dependencies...

[12:52:17]

** laga wonders if revdep-rebuild might help *shrug* **

[12:52:17]

Juski:

taking ages so there must be a lot

[12:52:47]

Juski:

screw that! be quicker to reinstall

[12:52:54]

Juski:

just aswell I had no plans for the weekend

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Zider:

just rebuild gtk then

[12:56:38]

Juski:

all this came out of updating portage once upon a time. it's bloody ridiculous

[12:57:15]

Juski:

sod it. it can stay broken

[12:57:19]

Zider:

really strange

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Zider:

none of my gentoo systems had any problems

[12:58:05]

Juski:

I have a vague memory of something going "you need to update this, change that to foobar, then do something else. look at this page for help... crapexplanation.html"

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Juski:

translation: "you should really learn how gentoo works inside out, or you'll be screwed"

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laga:

i like it when these explanations get printed in the middle of an emerge -u world.. :)

[13:00:17]

Juski:

don't have a scroll buffer of 128GB? oh dear

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Zider:

I believe that's all logged

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Juski:

hrm... another clue... just done a ls/etc/make* -al

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Juski:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 46 Jun 21 10:58 /etc/make.profile -> /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2006.0

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Juski:

this is down to portage changing alright

[13:01:38]

s_g_robertson:

Anyone got any clues as to the cause of this compile error http://pastebin.ca/137511

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Zider:

mine still points to 2005.1 :P

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Juski:

s_g_robertson: the compiler puked all over its nice shirt

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s_g_robertson:

juski: nice!!

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laga:

internal compiler error might be caused by hardware failure...

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Juski:

hey I used 2005.1 to install this box

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s_g_robertson:

laga: what sort of hardware error?

[13:07:39]

laga:

s_g_robertson: overheating cpu, bad memory maybe...

[13:09:55]

s_g_robertson:

laga: mmm strange. I did a distlcean and then tried again. Got the error at the exact same point with the same error. If I do a make straight after then it appears to be okay with that bit and carry on: http://pastebin.ca/137522

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stuarta:

tried memtest?

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Kelerion:

sounds like memory to me

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s_g_robertson:

it seems to be happily going through the rest of the compilation. I'll have to wait until I'm home to look at the memory, I'm just using ssh from work at the moment

[13:13:00]

s_g_robertson:

argh I spoke too soon, it's fallen over again

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s_g_robertson:

http://pastebin.ca/137527

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Juski:

eeks... reading up on this problem & it's a bobby dazzler

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Juski:

and yes it's enough to put me off using gentoo for good

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Zider:

crap.. 3 out of 3 interested buyers changed their minds :(

[13:20:20]

Juski:

"mix in all the different versions of gcc that someone can go through in a given period of time, and the fact that this can remain dormant until a specific program tries to build using these libraries, and you end up with all sorts of problems. "

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Juski:

course I could just make a link & hope for the best :-P

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JohnQ:

Is there an easy way to give comertial flagging jobs precedence over transcode jobs?

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laga:

what do you mean? run them before transcoding?

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JohnQ:

yeah... as in, if the backend gets behind, it will postpone all the transcoding jobs until it is caught up with flagging?

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stuarta:

JohnQ: no there is no concept in the jobqueue. it's a FIFO

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stuarta:

I just set the job limit to 1, so it only does on job at a time

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JohnQ:

hmm. I suppose I could just make a perl script to modify the jobqueue then.. run it every minute or something.

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stuarta:

then how do you handle the interdependecies between jobs?

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JohnQ:

you mean the transcode and rename jobs?

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stuarta:

it's okay if you do commflag->transcode, but not transcode->commflag

[13:36:25]

JohnQ:

right... and if I just move transcode up the queue, there should be no problem.

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stuarta:

so if a transcode job gets started just as you move it in the queue, what happens then?

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Juski:

right. once I have a tftp server running on my ubuntu box & I've proved to myself I can make my minimyth frontend work from it, gentoo is GONE baby

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JohnQ:

it should get flagged as finished when it completes, and no harm done.. it should still start at the beginning of the queue.

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Juski:

this time I _mean_ it

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Juski:

;)

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laga:

Juski: heh

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JohnQ:

Is there documentation anywhere about the job queue and what the various types, flags, etc mean?

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stuarta:

JohnQ: you can try it and see, but I expect it'll cause grief without writing proper support in the jobqueue

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Juski:

the gentoo backend is screwed. Either I emerge world & break loads of stuff, or I reinstall the box

[13:39:28]

stuarta:

JohnQ: only in the source.

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Juski:

JohnQ: look in the wiki under user jobs

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stuarta:

Juski: this ain't a user job tho....

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JohnQ:

Actually thats an idea.... do user jobs get run before or after the other jobs?

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Juski:

the existing backend will do until 0.20 is released and there's an ebuild for it

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stuarta:

after.

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JohnQ:

dang.

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stuarta:

but you again run into the problem that the jobqueue is a FIFO.

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Juski:

JohnQ: you could make a user job to run the jobs you want in the order you'd like

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stuarta:

ding ding *HACK ALERT*

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Juski:

but commflagging after the recording has finished is of limited use

[13:41:47]

Juski:

some detection methods don't work unless automatic commflagging is used

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Juski:

you could make a user job check that the recording has been commflagged though ;)

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JohnQ:

Ya I dont want to mess with that, I think.. just change the queue into a priority queue.

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Juski:

so then you'd _always_ run the user job on a fully flagged recording

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JohnQ:

probably wouldnt be hard to change the sql query which grbs the next job to order by the job type before the starttime..

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[Jasper]:

hello people!

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[Jasper]:

juski you told me last time (half a year ago) how to change the recording resolution for the pvr500 driver

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[Jasper]:

do you still remember ? :P

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stuarta:

JohnQ: which is what it does now. user jobs after transcode & commflag

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JohnQ:

interestingly, I dont see any information in the jobqueue table that indicates which recording is being operated on.

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stuarta:

the one after the one that's complete

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JohnQ:

No.. I mean.. job 74 ... which show is it flagging?

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qu0zl:

[Jasper], its set in the recording profiles

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stuarta:

JohnQ: that can be derived from the chanid/starttime/endtime

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[Jasper]:

no I mean there's a variable which I can set for itvtv

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[Jasper]:

to set the resolution'

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[Jasper]:

but I forgot which it was..

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JohnQ:

Wow... that seems awefully indirect...

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Juski:

ivtvctl --foo bar

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Juski:

IIRC

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stuarta:

not really. it's a database, and that's a unique way of indexing into the recorded table. *shrug*

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JohnQ:

Honestly, I'd like to customize the job queue quite a bit... IE: running more than one commflagging job is okay.. but only one transcode at a time.... I think I'm gonna have to look into that code myself.

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[Jasper]:

ah thx juski

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[Jasper]:

juski I get an error when I try to upgrade the resolution on mythtv

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stuarta:

JohnQ: might be an idea.

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[Jasper]:

it won't run livetv any more

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Juski:

[Jasper]: I'll be blunt. i don't care

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[Jasper]:

http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/mythbackend.log

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Juski:

I have too many of my own problems to see to

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[Jasper]:

oh k thx Juski

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JohnQ:

How picky are the guys in the #mythtv dev channel? If I go in there and ask them where that particular code lives, are they gonna throw a hissy?

[13:50:55]

qu0zl:

[Jasper], have you tried setting the ivtv resolutions in the recording profiles?

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stuarta:

explain what you want to do and you should be safe

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qu0zl:

why are you trying to do it via the cmd line?

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stuarta:

I won't bite :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

OK, today's the day to start coding motion estimation in Cg

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[Jasper]:

yes qu0zl that makes my myth stop functionung

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Beirdo:

this is such fun

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stuarta:

todays the day to try and finish fixing scanning :)

[13:52:11]

Beirdo:

nice ;)

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qu0zl:

what values are you putting in [Jasper] ? Does it stop it functioning for all values? or have you just tried one or two?

[13:52:31]

qu0zl:

Were they sane values?

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qu0zl:

i've killed mine by putting in 720x576 in there i think. No idea why that wasnt accepted

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JohnQ:

scanning?

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qu0zl:

[Jasper], your backend.log gives a 404 error btw

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stuarta:

scanning. aka finding all the channels being broadcast

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[Jasper]:

yeah qu0zl

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[Jasper]:

wrong log

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[Jasper]:

http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/mythfrontend.log

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Beirdo:

stuarta, that's for DVB mainly, no?

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[Jasper]:

weird error he?

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[Jasper]:

that's when I put the resolution up

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stuarta:

Beirdo: mainly, but it also works on ATSC & cable

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Beirdo:

speaking of scanning, where's my remote?

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stuarta:

digital cable.

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Beirdo:

there it is

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Beirdo:

Ah, OK

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qu0zl:

[Jasper], what did you set it to?

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Beirdo:

be pretty hard to scan on an analog card

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[Jasper]:

720*576.

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[Jasper]:

but that should work perfectly fine..

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qu0zl:

like i said a few lines ago, it didnt for me either. give it a try with a slightly lower value

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qu0zl:

i can't remember what i've mine set to now

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stuarta:

JohnQ: also, be aware that many of the dev's won't read what you post in #mythtv for a good 4hrs

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stuarta:

but they will answer once they've read it.

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Beirdo:

"What Not To Wear"... more like "What Not To Watch"

[13:56:46]

JohnQ:

Ya I think Im gonna leave the question there and then go to work :-)

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stuarta:

I always found "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" hilarious

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laga:

Beirdo: analog scanning could work over vbi data/telext. i think that's what mythtv does. unfortunately, it doesn't extract the station name..

[14:08:12]

stuarta:

digital scanning all the way....

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Beirdo:

scanning in analog sucks as you need to scan the frequency band, not channels

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Juski:

aye NOW you can say that stuarta :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

and not all channels have VBI data

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stuarta:

hehe...

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fdlinux:

hi

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fdlinux:

i am going to do a reinstall off my mythtv box, but i want to save the channels , how do i do this ?

[14:15:07]

Merlin83b:

Backup the mythconverg database, fdlinux.

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fdlinux:

but then i have all my recorded shows to

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fdlinux:

and those files won't exists nomore

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qu0zl:

you can delete all your old programmes from the db, there may even be an entry on the wiki telling you how. i've a feeling there is

[14:16:04]

Merlin83b:

So back up just some of the tables in the database :-)

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Merlin83b:

DELETE FROM <tablename>;

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Merlin83b:

:-)

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fdlinux:

ok

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julian:

hi

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julian:

i need some polish for my installation

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julian:

at first, i see all programms in record-overview but, with the up/down buttons i cant zap to all of them

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julian:

why?

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julian:

pvr350, so analog

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julian:

and i have no black channels

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Juski_:

the plot thickens. in /usr/lib/gcc/i686foo_etc/ I have 3.4.4 but in /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686foo_etc I have 3.3.6. I dunno what that means but I don't think it's good

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stuarta:

no

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julian:

and can i enable some deinterlance filter for my ivtv card?

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Juski_:

julian: you deinterlace on playback

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qu0zl:

actually Juski_, you might know this. Why on earth aren't there tv cards out there with hardware bob/weave deinterlace in the hardware?

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julian:

Juski_: but not live?

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Juski_:

qu0zl: no idea. whay aren't here PCs that can cook my tea?

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Juski_:

julian: live IS recorded

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julian:

ok

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qu0zl:

heh, the bob/weave hardware seems a bit easier tbh than tea cooking

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Juski_:

time to read the FM

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qu0zl:

i'd buy one of them

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julian:

But the decoder of the pvr has no possebilety to interlance?

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julian:

deinterlance i mean

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Juski_:

no

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julian:

ohh

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** Juski_ emerges gcc & hopes for the best **

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julian:

and how to activate it for plaback

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julian:

the live ... playback

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Juski_:

julian: in frontend settings > tv playback

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julian:

Juski_: ahh i see, i had a bad theme and diddent saw the settings

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julian:

and which algo?

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Juski_:

experiment. your televisin won't explode if you use the wrong one

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qu0zl:

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Juski_:

qu0zl: ssshhh!

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qu0zl:

:)

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Greveees:

hey all, When I run mythbackend for the first time, how long does the housekeeping process usually take?

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Greveees:

hey all, When I run mythbackend for the first time, how long does the housekeeping process usually take?

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** Juski_ wonders how long gcc will take to compile **

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qu0zl:

woah, deja vu

[14:42:54]

stuarta:

Juski_: on what? your epia?

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Juski_:

whoah.. a glitch in da m@tr1x

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stuarta:

qu0zl: nah, just double vision :)

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Juski_:

stuarta: on my 2800 athlon xpoo

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qu0zl:

ahh i must be sobering up

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stuarta:

few hours then

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stuarta:

Greveees: there isn't any housekeeping required at the first startup, so it'll just go idle

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Greveees:

hmm, it keeps saying: 2006-08–18 09:44:52.239 Running HouseKeeping

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Greveees:

does that about every 5 min

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Greveees:

actually doies it every five min

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Greveees:

29, 34, 39, 44 ....... I take it something is wrong

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stuarta:

I see no reason to believe anything is wrong. periodic housekeeping....

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Greveees:

ok, well, it kinda takes over the terminal session..... I can't do anything except either a) start a new session, or b) close out of that session

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stuarta:

try running it as a daemon.

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GreyFoxx:

The backend and frontend apps don't background themselves unless you tell it to

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GreyFoxx:

-d

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Greveees:

gotcha

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Greveees:

thx for the help

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CaptainCaveman:

heheh. if you can't su from the mythtv account, log in via ssh instead

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fred_basset:

wouldn't work for me. root logins are disabled via ssh

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CaptainCaveman:

here's hoping that gcc being reinstalled will fix my problems. if not, umbongo here I come

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fred_basset:

i have such a long list of things to do and not a lot of available slots to do them in.

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CaptainCaveman:

it's a bugger cos I was gonna be testing my script properly before I hand it over

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fred_basset:

including trying to fix a kernel bug if nobody beats me to it.

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fred_basset:

i'll put it in contrib btw.

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: What'sthe scriptdo ?

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GreyFoxx:

err CaptainCaveman that is

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CaptainCaveman:

GreyFoxx: exportay dvb radio recorday to mp3-ay :)

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fred_basset:

ay

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CaptainCaveman:

... as a user job

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Merlin83b:

Captain_Murdoch: Juski is working on a similar script.

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Merlin83b:

Erm, CaptainCaveman

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CaptainCaveman:

Merlin83b: is he? we'll see about that!

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CaptainCaveman:

muhahahaha

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Juski_:

:)

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Juski_:

yeh it's MPD Friday again

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Merlin83b:

MPD? Masquerade as Portly Developers?

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Merlin83b:

;-)

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fred_basset:

hehe i resemble that

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Juski_:

I've done enough of being mistaken for a developer for one year ta

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Merlin83b:

Heh, sorry. Got distracted by work and missed the nick changes.

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fred_basset:

he mentioned the W word!!!

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Juski_:

ooo I know what I can make my script do.... only append the starttile to the filename if the subtitle is blank

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Juski_:

s/starttile/start time

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fred_basset:

what about the 6 different episodes of "Dr Who: Shada" ???

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Juski_:

ah

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Juski_:

I might need to pinch some of nuvexport to make the filenames then

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Juski_:

if exist ($filename) $filename=$filename.$appendage

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fred_basset:

do you get given the name of the mpeg file as a script arg?

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Juski_:

fred_basset: I could do, but I don't

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fred_basset:

what do you get given again?

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Juski_:

I forgot you could so I made it reconstruct the source filename

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Juski_:

args are chanid, starttime, endtime, exportdir and bitrate

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Juski_:

infact I could do away with a lot of the code just by passing more args

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fred_basset:

ah well just bung starttime on the end then...

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** fred_basset feels that this is a POETS day.... **

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Juski_:

I can't believe I had to look that up

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Juski_:

damn W. ethic

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fred_basset:

you're slipping.

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Juski_:

yeh well it's been tricky today what with finding out how broken my gentoo box is and all

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fred_basset:

the rest of the team is a) holidays, b) sick, c) PO'd

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** GreyFoxx adds a couple more themes to myththemes **

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: How big is project grayhem (wide and square) ?

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Juski_:

GreyFoxx: non-wide is 800x600. wide is 1280x720

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GreyFoxx:

sorry, I meant howmuch diskspace heh

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Juski_:

hold off on the 4:3 one til I've made it work with svn

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jams:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: no worries

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fred_basset:

it's missing a bit here or there :)

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Juski_:

anyway they're about 10MB give or take

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GreyFoxx:

with 0.20 getting close I just added the Retro theme and Retro-OSD (isthmus version 2)

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fred_basset:

Juski_: suggest next week be theme week then...

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jams:

GreyFoxx- going to split the theme package into wide and square ?

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GreyFoxx:

jams: That's a good idea actually

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Juski_:

fred_basset: apart from the new mythgallery submenu what do you know is missing from PG?

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fred_basset:

i'll have to look when I get home. think there were some things in setup I noticed last night.

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jams:

wow Midnight is 13MB compressed. Didn't think it that that large

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sigger:

MPD friday? Music player daemon?

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fusion_05:

hey folks. i'm sure this is something you all can answer easily. I installed knoppmyth, and i didn't really like it. I prefer ubuntu much more. In knoppmyth i had to set my tunertype to 50 to get anything to work. I assume i have to do the same thing in ubuntu – how do i change this setting in ubuntu?

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qu0zl:

that's probably an argument to the tuner module, try and find where your tuner module is loaded. maybe /etc/modules

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fusion_05:

ok, i found the tuner module

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Juski_:

fred_basset: sounds ominous. missing things.. me no like

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fusion_05:

now what?

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Juski_:

fred_basset: btw which theme? non-wide?

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qu0zl:

next you need to find how to pass the tunertype argument to it. you'll need to goggle for the syntax

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fred_basset:

think it's just links to other pages. normal size (i've only a monitor)

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fusion_05:

ok, thanks

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Juski_:

fred_basset: links to other who? I'll have a look tonight. didn't know about new setup pages

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qu0zl:

try tuner=50

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fred_basset:

fusion_05: fu

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fred_basset:

damn adsl link

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Juski_:

you know what always makes me laugh about linux.. swap usage.. 24KB

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fred_basset:

just compare availble menu options on other themes i did briefly last night.

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Juski_:

fred_basset: k.

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fusion_05:

dang. i added the arguement to change my tuner type and it's still not working = when i do the test in mplayer to get video from the card i just get static.

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Juski_:

fusion_05: you'd prolly have to unload the module, then reload it with the option I'd think

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qu0zl:

fusion_05, you may need to edit /etc/modules.conf to specify options for that tuner. Have a look at the example at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_PVR_500_Setup . . . les.d.2Fivtv

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fusion_05:

Juski_: What do you mean by unloaded then reloading?

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Juski_:

hrm. is it time to scare my wife at home yet?

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Juski_:

mplayer -vo null /myth/foobar.mp3

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fred_basset:

hehehe

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Merlin83b:

Not sure, but it's rapidly approaching beer o'clock.

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fred_basset:

mmm beer.

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fred_basset:

15–20mins and it's POETS time

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fred_basset:

make that 10–15

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Juski_:

fusion_05: I mean unload the ivtv module with rmmod – just editing a text file won't change anything unless you unload, then reload the module

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fred_basset:

fusion_05: modprobe -r <module>; modprobe <module>

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fusion_05:

o

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fusion_05:

i'm a linux newb, in case you guys couldn't tell =)

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Juski_:

rmmod == modprobe -r I think

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fred_basset:

and you will need to shutdown everything trying to access the hardware too.

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Juski_:

like mythbackend...

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fred_basset:

and mplayer

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fusion_05:

well, i haven't even gotten to the mythtv part yet

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Juski_:

and just FYI.. being a noob is not an excuse for anything ;)

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Merlin83b:

Exactly, fred_basset :-)

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fusion_05:

pfft =P

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Merlin83b:

(About POETS – beer o'clock and POETS match up nicely)

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fred_basset:

fusion_05: at least you are testing things before trying myth, unlike others....

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fusion_05:

well, i used knoppmyth first and i didn't really like that distro...and i think this is a great opportunity to learn a lot about linux.

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Juski_:

I still don't know half of what I should know to work Gentoo, going by my experiences today

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fred_basset:

i know 1 command. emerge :)

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Juski_:

and that makes me think "screw that for a game of soldiers"

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fred_basset:

no idea how to use it properly....

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Juski_:

ubuntu is a bitch but it's a nicer bitch

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Juski_:

fusion_05: if you ever need to use ffmpeg to export recordings you're in for some fun, just so you know

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fred_basset:

pah. Ubuntu is just debian with sparkly bits.

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qu0zl:

what do you mean 'just debian'!

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qu0zl:

them's fighting words

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Juski_:

and crippled by a panicky legal dept.

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fred_basset:

who umbongo?

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Juski_:

fred_basset: ffmpeg for umbongo doesn't come with exporting enabled

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fred_basset:

ffs!!!

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fred_basset:

at least debian doesn't even bother to distribute it.

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** fred_basset packs the bag... **

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Juski_:

I don't mind having to jump through one or 2 hoops to get mp3 playback working & stuff, but having to build my own ffmpeg cos they only give you a crippled one is just silly

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fred_basset:

yup

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Z_Morek:

anyone using nvidia onboard video?

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fred_basset:

later all

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fusion_05:

argh -_- i still can't get the modules to reload...i keep getting errors about the module not being found. and i double checked i had the pths right, i do.

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Juski_:

laters fred_basset

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fred_basset:

fusion_05: don't put paths in /etc/modules.conf

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jams:

Z_Morek- need to be a bit more specific then that.

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fusion_05:

what did fred_basset mean by not putting paths in /etc/modules.conf

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qu0zl:

just put 'ivtv' not /blah/blah/ivtv

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qu0zl:

it works out the path for you based on what kernel is running and some standard paths

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Z_Morek:

well it's just that I installed the nvidia legacy driver and I symlinked the modules but when I startx it essentially opens a box in the lopleft and leaves a lot of dead space

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Juski_:

time to go back to my desk I think

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fusion_05:

oh, ook

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Z_Morek:

and on a 13inch TV that means it's pretty much illegible

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fusion_05:

so like modprobe -r options

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fusion_05:

like that?

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qu0zl:

check out the link i gave you, you put 'ivtv' in your /etc/modules, and put any necessary options in /etc/modules.conf

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qu0zl:

then those options are used whenever you modprobe the module.

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fusion_05:

ok.

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qu0zl:

you can specify them on the cmd line, but if they're in the files then it'll work automatically at boot up

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fusion_05:

hey...! i got it to work =)

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fusion_05:

i think my problem was getting the modules reloaded, i didn't know that.

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qu0zl:

cool, good man!

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qu0zl:

if the modules are listed in /etc/modules they should be automatically loaded at boot from now on

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qu0zl:

so you should be able to forget about it :)

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fusion_05:

i'm gonna hang out a bit if i need more help, or maybe i can offer some help to someone else

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fusion_05:

yeah, hopefully

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Ryushin:

Well my motherboard comes today, and my AMD X2 4200+ came yesterday. Time to see if I can watch a transcoded video in 720p using mpeg4.

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qu0zl:

cool. it's 3 minutes to 5pm on a friday evening ;) So I prob wont be much help very soon

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fusion_05:

heh

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fusion_05:

i don't blame you.

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Ryushin:

Then I just need to open up a bug with mytharchive about it not working with transcoded shows.

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fusion_05:

its only 12pm here.

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qu0zl:

hah ;P

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fusion_05:

i don't move back to college until sunday...so no partyting tonight. next week, well...i probably won't remember.

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fusion_05:

ok i ran into another problem...when downloading apt-get install mythtv mythdvd, etc...i get err http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe fftw2 2.1.3–16.2 ... what's that mean?

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jams:

well there went my plans to look at mythweather-revamp

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jams:

it just sits at the loading screen

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fusion_05:

i'd help but i have no idea.

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fusion_05:

i figured out my problem =) turns out i don't have an internet connection =D

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Jasper:

anyone ever seen this error: *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x00000000005e1d00 ***

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hatredx:

http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a . . . oogle+Search

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grevees:

anyone versed in FedoraCore5?

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fusion_05:

sadly, no

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grevees:

sh!t.... oh well

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fusion_05:

i keep getting mysql errors...you know anything about that?

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nuonguy:

grevees: just ask your question

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grevees:

can't get fc4 to recognize my dvd drive, so I am stuck with fc5

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nuonguy:

what do you mean 'recognize'?

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grevees:

well, I am wondering if anything needs to change form the wilsonet guide on fc4 if I use fc5

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nuonguy:

dunno; my mythbox runs fc4

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grevees:

it boots up, goes through the process of letting me 'load' the kernel, then when I get to the cd found screen, I go to test the cd, and it tells me I need to get the cd-rom drivers. it asks for their location

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grevees:

I'm also using a sata dvd drive

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grevees:

if I press skip test, same thing

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grevees:

it says it needs to load the cd-rom drivers and asks for location

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fusion_05:

here's my question: when i do a mythfilldatabase, i get "you have an error in your sql syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your mysql server version for the right syntax to use near 'repeat, seteror,subtitlesd,hdtv..etc etc' at line 1

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grevees:

if I go w/ fc5, I don't seem to have that issue, it loads up just fine

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nuonguy:

what's a sata dvd drive?

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Zider:

exactly what it sounds like :P

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grevees:

one that uses SATA instead of IDE

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nuonguy:

never heard of it

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Zider:

SATA instead of PATA :P

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nuonguy:

sounds interesting, but what does it give you over regular ATA?

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Zider:

thin cables and higher speed

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nuonguy:

you'll have to find out what version of the kernel support for such a device has support for

[16:34:55]

hatredx:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148140

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nuonguy:

higher speed?

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hatredx:

awsome sata drive

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hatredx:

i got 4 of them; freaking fast

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nuonguy:

um, he sata SATA DVD drive

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Zider:

pata is 133MB/sec max, sata is 150MB/sec, and SATA2 is 300MB/sec

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nuonguy:

Can a CD/DVD drive attain anywhere close to those speeds?

[16:35:45]

hatredx:

no

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hatredx:

never

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nuonguy:

WOuldn't you have to have a 786x drive to get those speeds?

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hatredx:

ata-33 is fine for a cdrom

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hatredx:

lol

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fusion_05:

any one have any idea about my mysql problem?

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Zider:

I like sata for the thin cables :D

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grevees:

yeah, it more for the fact that I don't wanna use any IDE cables, etc... and I don;t have a spare device laing around either :)

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nuonguy:

greeves is galking about sata on a dvd drive

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nuonguy:

never heard of that

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poonj:

I wonder if there will be

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Zider:

there are some dvds for sata

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hatredx:

ide cables are old and busted; hate the flat ribbon blocking airblow

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nuonguy:

fusion_05: what distro?

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Zider:

but not many

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fusion_05:

ubuntu

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nuonguy:

did you set up the initial mysql tables?

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hatredx:

Zider, its a waste

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poonj:

hatredx, sata for DVD drives?

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Zider:

hatredx: why?

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nuonguy:

yeah, sata on DVD seems like a waste to me

[16:37:18]

grevees:

its a plextor 655 or somethign like that... go to bestbuy dot com and look it up....

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fusion_05:

well, in phpmyadmin, i changed passwords, thats about it. and i did download listing info

[16:37:29]

fusion_05:

but other than that i haven't done anything

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mchou:

lol. I'm still recovering from sata for dvd

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Zider:

any unit with thin cables instead of flat and wide cables are good imo

[16:37:50]

grevees:

I got it for $10 bucks less than a lite-on.... (paid only $35.00 for it NIB) so it was a good deal

[16:38:08]

nuonguy:

fusion_05: did you do all this stuff? http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

[16:38:09]

grevees:

reatails for over $120 USD

[16:38:11]

fusion_05:

xacto knife + zip tie = thin cables.

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grevees:

been there done that

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fusion_05:

oh. no i didn't.

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nuonguy:

mchou: recovering?

[16:38:41]

fusion_05:

um...which distro do i follow? debian/

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grevees:

I used electrical tape and heat shrink on each end, but same result

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mchou:

nuonguy: from laughing so hard

[16:39:07]

nuonguy:

ah

[16:39:21]

mchou:

snorted coffee up my nose on that one

[16:39:27]

grevees:

I am still wondering if nuonguy is actually being serious

[16:39:52]

grevees:

they have been out for well over 1 1/2 years

[16:39:59]

mchou:

grevees: we're wondering the same about you :)

[16:40:05]

grevees:

;)

[16:40:18]

grevees:

<---- never can be to sure :)

[16:41:01]

** nuonguy feels bad for greeves **

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Jasper:

I don't understand why my mythtv stops functioning at some resolutions

[16:41:09]

mchou:

nuonguy: why?

[16:41:13]

nuonguy:

greeves: it doesn't look like support for it is ready? http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/5/5/139

[16:41:26]

mchou:

nuonguy: cause he has more $ than brains?

[16:41:39]

Jasper:

I can go up to 688*560 but not higher on the 688

[16:41:43]

Jasper:

then it stops working..

[16:41:54]

nuonguy:

never mind, that's 2004

[16:42:05]

Jasper:

then I get the ringbuf errors http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/mythfrontend.txt

[16:42:08]

Jasper:

anyone got a clue?

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nuonguy:

mchou: he's a fellow geek who got seduced by gadget lust

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nuonguy:

that happens to me

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Zider:

sata units should become even more popular now that mobos are losing pata more and more

[16:42:53]

** nuonguy pats greeves on the back **

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nuonguy:

there there

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grevees:

Well, its recognized on fc5, gentoo2006, and Suse (all the way back to 9.3) so I think its ready :) just not implimented on some distros I guess

[16:43:11]

nuonguy:

yeah

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nuonguy:

greeves: just use FC5

[16:43:21]

nuonguy:

what's wrong with FC5?

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fusion_05:

nuonguy: since i'm running ubuntu, which directions should i follow on the link you gave me?

[16:43:27]

grevees:

and I wouldn't really call $35.00 USD having alot of money, unless I was homeless

[16:43:41]

hatredx:

anyone doing dvi to hdmi?

[16:44:23]

grevees:

Well, really no guides for it, and some discussion forums have said people have some troubles, etc... but we will try it out and see (hell, can't be any worse than Suse 10.0)

[16:44:39]

** hatredx waves his slackware flag **

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nuonguy:

fusion_05: ubuntu?

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mchou:

grevees: for $35 I can buy another PATA DVD drive

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** hatredx waves his slamd64 flag **

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hatredx:

=P

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** nuonguy hearts slack cuz it's the first distro he ever used **

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grevees:

yeah, true

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fusion_05:

nuonguy: there's only red hat, fedora, gentoo, and mandria

[16:45:40]

Jasper:

anyone got a clue on my problem?

[16:45:54]

nuonguy:

fusion_05: I don't know how to start the service with ubuntu, you'll have to get help for that elsewhere, maybe at #ubuntu?

[16:46:05]

nuonguy:

fusion_05: but you still have to set up the tables like in http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc6.2

[16:46:25]

fusion_05:

ok. i'll go ask to friends at #ubuntu

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nuonguy:

Jasper: your link didn't work for me

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grevees:

while I'm here, Just for kicks.. does anyone know what could cause Myth to be extremely laggy in livetv playback?

[16:52:03]

nuonguy:

greeves: what kind of hw?

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grevees:

before Suse crapped out on me I had Myth working for about 10 min, and for some reason, I would turn on my dish reciever, and the picture wouldn't show up for about 5 seconds

[16:52:52]

grevees:

well, Nvidia 6200, AMD64 4200 X2, 2 gig ram, PVR500MCE, and 2 Seagate 'cuda's (420 gig per)

[16:53:05]

nuonguy:

nice

[16:53:20]

nuonguy:

look in /var/log/messages for clues

[16:53:24]

grevees:

then switching channels, I'd be watching a blank screen for at least 5–10 sec

[16:53:41]

grevees:

well, the distro crapped out after that, so I just said screw it

[16:53:53]

fusion_05:

nuonguy: i get access denied for user:root ... how do GET access?

[16:53:56]

grevees:

I was in this channel for about 5–6 hours last night getting help for it

[16:54:15]

grevees:

seems no one uses it, and the guides are worth sh!t

[16:54:21]

nuonguy:

then you're probably further along than I can help you

[16:54:30]

nuonguy:

uses suse?

[16:54:32]

grevees:

even the people in the #suse channels don't know

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hatredx:

grevees, i just picked up two amd64 3800 x2 for myth/media usage =)

[16:54:44]

hatredx:

love them chips

[16:54:49]

hatredx:

got 4 total now =)

[16:54:53]

hatredx:

LOVE EM

[16:55:01]

grevees:

nice

[16:55:18]

grevees:

how many boxes you got?

[16:55:19]

hatredx:

no really, dressed the 4800 box up in a dress and took it out

[16:55:19]

nuonguy:

fusion_05: at what step?

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kormoc:

grevees, long tuner times are sorta expected tho.

[16:55:24]

hatredx:

12 total now

[16:55:35]

fusion_05:

well, i *think* i've got mysql running

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fusion_05:

at mysql -u root mythconverg

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hatredx:

9 if you dont count lappys

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grevees:

well, I'm talking about pressing the menu button for my dish, and havong the menu show up on the screen 5–10 sec later

[16:56:31]

grevees:

pressing up on the dish remote, and having the guide move up one channel 5–10 sec later

[16:56:46]

grevees:

<-- doesn't have LIRC configured yet

[16:56:56]

nuonguy:

fusion_05: dunno – you got myql root pw?

[16:57:14]

fusion_05:

i know what it is, but beyond that im not sure.

[16:57:31]

grevees:

so to me, it seems a little laggy :)

[16:57:47]

grevees:

but then again, I really don't know much about myth

[16:58:02]

grevees:

I'll take your word kormoc :)

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kormoc:

grevees, well, you have the image going from the dish receiver, though a hardware encoder (adds latency), sent to disk, read from the disk, decoded via the cpu, sent to the gpu, and then to the screen

[16:58:38]

grevees:

hatredx, 12 myth boxes??

[16:58:53]

grevees:

Yeah, I can see that

[16:59:00]

grevees:

makes sense

[16:59:10]

grevees:

I'll tell the wife to LIVE WITH IT!

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kormoc:

so yeah, I never use myth live, cause of the lag

[16:59:14]

grevees:

:)

[16:59:14]

kormoc:

hehe

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nuonguy:

fusion_05: might have to say mysql -p .....

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grevees:

well, thx for the chat guys

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fusion_05:

ok great – now im at the mysql terminal.

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grevees:

I'm gonna go to Wal-mart and pick up a few... BBL for more chat/help/ridicule :)

[17:05:04]

fusion_05:

nuonguy: i did the steps in setting up mysql tables...but i'm still getting the error.

[17:05:20]

fusion_05:

it looks like it's having problems inserting the data, if that makes sense

[17:05:21]

nuonguy:

sorry

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nuonguy:

I don't know

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nuonguy:

I have to get to work

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fusion_05:

hmm. it's cool.

[17:05:38]

nuonguy:

I'll be back on line in about 1 hour

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fusion_05:

ok

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hatredx:

grevees, no, in the house

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hatredx:

1 major backend – 1 backend/frontend – 4 frontends so 6

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medwards:

Can anyone clue me in on the changes that merging commdetector2 will introduce (this was the the series of commits yesterday)

[17:14:53]

zePh7r:

hi. before I put my hands on mythtv I'd like to know a little about its capabilities. Will I be able to broacast a stream from a tv tuner/radio tuner/dvb card and receive it in a windows box and change channels remotely as if I were dealing with the pc where mythtv is installed?

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Ryushin:

zeph7r: Yea, you can.

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Ryushin:

You won't be able to use SVN though. You will have to use version .19.

[17:17:09]

Ryushin:

How is your Linux experience?

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zePh7r:

Ryushin, well I'm still a little noob

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mchou:

Ryushin: you gonna tell zePh7r to use vnc?

[17:19:01]

Ryushin:

Well, I've found that MythTV hasn't been for the faint of heart. But I've installed it on Debian, running my own custom kernel, with HDTV and NTSC tuners. But I haven't used distros like knoppmyth which may be a lot easier.

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Ryushin:

mchou: You can't change channels.

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Ryushin:

Oh way, you said, vnc, so yea, I guess you can change channels, but how will you stream.

[17:19:48]

mchou:

Ryushin: right, I'm mystified what you gonna tell zePh7r re windows box

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Ryushin:

I've used VLC to stream video to many other platforms.

[17:20:22]

Ryushin:

Well, there is winmyth that works well enough.

[17:20:35]

Ryushin:

I'm waiting for myth to work on cygwin and then I'll be set.

[17:20:38]

mchou:

Ryushin: I'm not so sure that's what zePh7r meant by "streaming" :)

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mchou:

Ryushin: he probably just wants mythfrontend for windows

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Ryushin:

I opened a bug for mytharchive regarding mpeg4.

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zePh7r:

first I want to build mythtv which I heard wasn't properly an easy task

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zePh7r:

mchou, by streaming I mean having one pc as a capture device and another one as a frontend (or whatever you call it)

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mchou:

Ryushin: see? :)

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tkp:

hi people

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zePh7r:

what is vnc?

[17:24:04]

tkp:

I'm trying to implement some acpi suspend/resume functionality on my box, and thought you guys may be able to help out a little...

[17:24:20]

tkp:

I can put the machine to sleep fine

[17:24:37]

tkp:

and I can wake it up again by pressing the power button on the machine

[17:25:06]

tkp:

I have a usb lirc driven remote control

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mchou:

zePh7r: what's your tv "source?" Cable, ATSC, DVB, etc?

[17:25:43]

tkp:

and I want to use the power button on the remote to do the suspend/resume action

[17:25:48]

tkp:

is this possible?

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mchou:

zePh7r: and what capture card are you using?

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zePh7r:

mchou, I have two: dvb and terrestrial analog (PAL)

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tkp:

(I can do the suspend... it's the resule thats the problem

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Ryushin:

mchou: I wonder how far they are from getting myth to compile on cygwin.

[17:26:18]

mchou:

tkp: it's possible if the mobo supports resume correctly

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mchou:

Ryushin: forget about it

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Ryushin:

Really, I know they were working on it and making some fine progress.

[17:27:00]

mchou:

zePh7r: dvb is mpeg2 stream, correct?

[17:27:21]

mchou:

Ryushin: I'm not holding my breath

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zePh7r:

mchou, I have a pinnacle pctv pro (tv + radio) and a technisat skystar2

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zePh7r:

mchou, yes I think

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mchou:

zePh7r: windows wont have any issues playing mpeg2 recorded streams....Just use your web browser :)

[17:28:46]

mchou:

zePh7r: and mythweb or whatever it's called

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zePh7r:

mchou, I was thinking more of live streamings...

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grevees:

yes, dvb is mpeg2

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mchou:

zePh7r: myth has livetv but I wouldnt call that a feature

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tkp:

mchou: and... if it does, how would it wouk... I mean, would thhe lircd still be running even in sleep mode?

[17:30:06]

mchou:

zePh7r: more like a "test" to see if HW is working correctly

[17:30:46]

zePh7r:

mchou, so I can't have my ss2 decoding a channel and sending it over lan?

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mchou:

zePh7r: you can, but why would you use myth for that?

[17:31:33]

mchou:

zePh7r: there are better tools for that than myth

[17:32:15]

mchou:

zePh7r: myth tv is pvr. not some sort of "live tv" streaming tool

[17:32:41]

mchou:

in fact with myth I havent bothered watching livetv at all. :)

[17:32:54]

mchou:

that's the whole point of a PVR

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zePh7r:

mchou, I though myth was supposed to be used as a "media center" and that it would also have abilities to stream a dvb channel over lan to other computers, for example

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mchou:

myth is way better at streaming pre-recorded stuff

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zePh7r:

mchou, so what you are saying is that mythtv is like a way of organising a collection of videos and delivering them over lan?

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mchou:

it can "stream" live but it wouldnt be my first choice

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zePh7r:

mchou, then what would it be?

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Zider:

I use myth as a very powerful hdd based dvd player.. ;)

[17:35:45]

mchou:

zePh7r: then what would what be?

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zePh7r:

mchou, your first choice for streaming live?

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mchou:

zePh7r: just use vlc or mplayer

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mchou:

wtf.

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mchou:

this is the first time I've received spam from russian chicks: "I am 25years Pretty girl here in russia. I want to make friendship. I have nice pictures to send to you if you want. Please tell me if we can be friends. Then we can write letters to each other. ttyl with great hope."

[17:40:57]

Zider:

tty1?

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mchou:

Zider: you obviously need schooling :)

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mchou:

Talk To You Later

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Zider:

noooo? really?! I could NEVER have guessed that ;)

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mchou:

Zider: I'm debating whether to respond and get involved with the Russian Mafia :)

[17:44:16]

Zider:

I'm already signed up on a russian dating site ;D

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mchou:

Zider: lol

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stuarta:

oh dear...

[17:44:42]

mchou:

Zider: how's that going? :)

[17:45:18]

Zider:

mchou: well, I'm talking to a couple of damn fine girls..

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Zider:

at least one of them could have been a model :P

[17:45:39]

mchou:

Zider: how can you be sure they are girls? :)

[17:45:51]

stuarta:

it's not thailand

[17:45:53]

Zider:

mchou: how can you be sure I'm a guy? :D

[17:46:01]

Zider:

or even human? ;)

[17:46:07]

mchou:

Zider: well, exactly :)

[17:46:23]

Zider:

on the other hand, I have a friend that met his wife on that site

[17:46:29]

Zider:

so I know there are honest people there

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Zider:

or at least used to be ;)

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mchou:

Zider: you serious??

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Zider:

yep

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mchou:

Zider: a friend of yours married a mail order bride?

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stuarta:

my mate did the same.

[17:47:32]

mchou:

lol

[17:47:36]

mchou:

small world

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Zider:

mchou: not really mail order bride

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Beirdo:

hey, I met my wife on a MUD. Stranger things do happen occasionally

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Ryushin:

Mine came from the IRC.

[17:54:04]

Zider:

I met both my ex gf's via web communities so..

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stuarta:

I went to the other side of the world to meet somebody who lives 20 minutes away :)

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stuarta:

Beirdo: so whats the computer:people ratio in your house :)

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Beirdo:

about 5:!

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Beirdo:

1 rather

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Beirdo:

5 machines in the office, plus 1 that's off..

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stuarta:

about what I suspected....

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Beirdo:

I have 3 laptops, she has one

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Zider:

4:1 here, until I've ordered the new stuff

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stuarta:

sadly only 1:1. the GF has the laptop & she doesn't live here....

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Beirdo:

and then there's a couple busted ones (courtesy of Canada Post)

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** Beirdo is a geek **

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Zider:

canadian mounted postmen?

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Zider:

;)

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** stuarta goes and rewrites the CV.... **

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quink:

wonder if anyone can help me figure out whats going on iwth my system.

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** Zider goes and rewrites the MBR **

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Beirdo:

I wish I could get inspired to get this motion estimation code written

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Beirdo:

it's SUCH a pain

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** laga beers Beirdo **

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stuarta:

beer me!

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Beirdo:

actually, a mojito or two would go well

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Zider:

mojiwhat?

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Beirdo:

mojito

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** stuarta makes a mean mojito **

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Beirdo:

look it up ;)

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quink:

mythtv works fine, it shows the recorded tv shows, but when i choose to watch them full screen all i get is audio and the picture goes away and doesn't come back until i restart X. I can watch stuff from mythvideo fine though.

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Beirdo:

I live in mojito/pina colada land

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Beirdo:

mojito = mint, lime juice, cane sugar juice, rum

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Zider:

ah

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neddy:

mojito == yuummmmyyyy!

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stuarta:

rum = 1/2 glass minimum

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Beirdo:

!trout freenode netsplit

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Beirdo:

beotch!

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Beirdo:

!trout freenode netsplit

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

are we there yet?

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kormoc:

Aye

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kormoc:

Mornin' Beirdo

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stuarta:

friggin netsplit

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nuonguy:

what is netsplit?

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stuarta:

net split.

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Hoxzer:

nuonguy: ?

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stuarta:

split net

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stuarta:

2 or more pieces

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stuarta:

broken

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stuarta:

fubar

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Hoxzer:

nuonguy: I asked that when I was like 14 years old

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quink:

anyone have any ideas for my problem?

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nuonguy:

I'm a lot older, and I'm still asking

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Hoxzer:

nuonguy: but irc servers lose connectio between eachother

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stuarta:

quink: try adjusting your setting for the display, perhaps video sync method.

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nuonguy:

ah

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nuonguy:

http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/sDefin . . . 2641,00.html

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quink:

stuarta: i get no video at all and i can't ever get it b ack until i restart X

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stuarta:

this was a really bad one. several of the servers were refusing connections as well...

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stuarta:

quink: I believe you said it dies once you start to watch something?

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quink:

no

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quink:

i just loose video completely

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stuarta:

when you start the frontend?

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quink:

no

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quink:

when i go into a recorded video

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quink:

it'll go blank

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stuarta:

ie. when you watch something

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quink:

just recorded telvision

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quink:

but the preview of it works fine

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quink:

and mythvideo works fine.

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stuarta:

right, go into the setup. not watch recordings.

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Juski:

grr that Totem player sucks to hell

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quink:

mythsetup or the setup inside the frontend?

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stuarta:

inside the frontend

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quink:

i tried going through that. anything i should look for?

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stuarta:

video sync methods.

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quink:

any reason why the image never comes back even when i try to leave the playback?

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stuarta:

it's killed the X server

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stuarta:

most likely

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quink:

nah the server is still up

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quink:

i have to manually kill it.

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stuarta:

but in a weird state, which is as good as dead.

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quink:

ah.

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Juski:

quink: you're not using XGL are you?

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quink:

don't believe so because i dunno what ti is.

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Juski:

cos video playback inside mythtv mostly doesn't work with XGL

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quink:

i just had a situation with my computer that i'm recovering from but can't pinpoint this problem

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Juski:

ah

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Juski:

btw stuarta: I managed to get easytag to emerge. I symlinked the offending directory in the end

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stuarta:

ew

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quink:

my / died so i recored from an old backup. but /var /home and a few other things were on separate partitions

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quink:

so things are slightly inconsistent.

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Juski:

stuarta: yeh ew but it'll tide me over

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stuarta:

perhaps redoing the X configuration from scratch might be an idea?

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quink:

actually the X configuration i have is the one i wsa using before the crash. i had that backed up.

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quink:

but i'm going through it anyways.

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Juski:

wow. all the niceness in ubuntu & to change the preferred apps files open with you still need to edit text files :-|

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Hoxzer:

:/ I dont personally understand why some people hate ubuntu

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Hoxzer:

like ok, it is easy to use but everything works in it

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laga:

Juski: not in kubuntu, iirc :)

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Hoxzer:

like I have nothing to complain

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Hoxzer:

but as mythbox :( imho it takes too much space

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Hoxzer:

and has too much stuff unneeded for mythbox

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Juski:

laga: I'll try KDE then. I think it's down to the lesser of 3 evils

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Juski:

oo time for eats :)

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laga:

heh

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Juski:

you know.. that issue I had earlier – I'd ask in #gentoo if there was any point

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jams:

hey stoffel has returned

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jams:

hi stoffel

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stuarta:

is the damn netsplit finished completely yet?

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Beirdo:

here's hoping

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stuarta:

that'll be a no then.

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Beirdo:

nope then

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stuarta:

damn arse network

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** Beirdo pokes lilo in the ribs... the network having issues today? **

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stuarta:

don't think *issues* covers it

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stuarta:

major fuckups more like

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fung:

anyone know of a tv card that has a hookup internally

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stuarta:

hmmm, wonder if "code problem" = security issue....

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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Beirdo:

could be

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Juski:

yay. I have some more error trapping

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laga:

once they are tapped, wioll ya release them back into the wild?

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Juski:

I'll release them into here of course

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laga:

cool

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Juski:

where you can hit them with the trout until they are most dead

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Juski:

266 lines though. I must be mad

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Juski:

http://pastebin.ca/137882 .... usage info ;)

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haj:

uhm.. for some reason ivtv can't load the firmware for my PVR-500... running gentoo amd64, but my setup is a bit weird...

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haj:

does the firmware-loading depend on any services?

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Juski:

hotplug for one

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haj:

hotplug is enabled i think... /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug exists..

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haj:

hm.. is it supposed to be empty, that "file" ?

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Juski:

no idea

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Juski:

never looked inside it

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Juski:

wouldn't expect it to be since I think it's microcode for the tuner card's little cpu

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haj:

hm .. it could be a udev issue perhaps

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Juski:

stuarta: about the missing setup stuff in my theme – were you talking about mythtv-setup or frontend?

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stuarta:

FE

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Juski:

looking & I can't see anything missing yet. I'll try a diff of some other theme files

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sigger:

does it stand to reason that picture quality would be improved a little by playing a dvd in xine at a higher resolution rather than 800x600. I get a some fuzziness and jaggies.

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sigger:

(at the lower resolution, that is)

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Juski:

sigger: it's always best to play video at the native resolution of your display and at the resolution it was encoded at

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haj:

i wonder.. is there perhaps any way to check where the kernel looks for firmware?

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sigger:

makes sense. knoppmyth sets "TV" res at 800x600, which isn't tv and I'm not sure my video has a native tv mode.

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sigger:

I would think that, absent a native mode match, higher res would give better matching, no?

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Juski:

sigger: I dunno. my frontend outputs at PAL D1 res. (720x576)

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Aid`:

if the video was encoded at 640x480 and you try to watch it at 1024x768 it would look worse than if you did 640x480

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sigger:

Juski: and your FE is an EPIA, iirc? maybe I should poke around more on mine.

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Juski:

sigger: yup

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** sigger plumbs the depths of the unfamiliar (to him) XF86Config-4 **

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Juski:

stuarta: crikey!!!!! <buttondef name="SETUP_CHANNEL_EDITOR"> ??? :-O

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Juski:

channel editor, in MFE? it can't be

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fusion_05:

hi everyone...i've got a problem that's probably easily solved. in my program guide, it's lists the channel number, but where the channel name is supposed to be, it lists the channel number again. any ideas?

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: YEah, there has been stuff in the OSD themes for that for months

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GreyFoxx:

Haven't tried it myself though

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sigger:

Aid`: so should I targeting a resolution same as the TV (which conveniently stays the same) or same as the video file (for which I have to figure out how to have mythvideo change the res for every file)?

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Juski:

<buttondef name="SETUP_BACKEND"> ... wth ?

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GreyFoxx:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/9526

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Aid`:

sigger: i would say the latter for supurb quality

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Aid`:

or the maximum quality available

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fusion_05:

you guys have any advice on my channel issue?

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: blimey! no more folks whining they can't adjust x, y & z features from the frontend eh? heheheh. probably not yet though I expect

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sigger:

am I correct in thinking that means I need a special command line for every video then? (assuming there's a param in xine for that)

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GreyFoxx:

sigger: You do not need to change your resolution for each video, that's just silly

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Aid`:

sigger: im just thinking in theory about what would be best... you should look up everything ya need in the manual

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GreyFoxx:

You in general just want to use something as close to your regular content resolution as you can

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AlefBet:

I have a quick Zap2It/MythTV question.

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Aid`:

sigger: what may be best in theory may not be practical... :P

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GreyFoxx:

for example, for SDTV, 640x480, 720x480, and 800x600 are more than sufficient

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AlefBet:

I'm moving soon. If I change my Zap2It subscription information to the new address's info, will that be picked up by MythTV, or do I need to zap my channel info too?

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Aid`:

i tihnk 320x240 is sufficient for cartoons

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sigger:

GreyFoxx, yeah its running in 800x600 now. so that's prolly not the cause of fuzziness/jaggies then?

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GreyFoxx:

Personally I use 720x480, my recordings use 720x480, my DVD's are 720x480, and other stuff just scales as needed

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jsharpe:

hey guys, I set the perms on my recordings to the same as /var/www/mythweb and yet when I click on the recording from mythweb it gives me a 403 error, any ideas?

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sigger:

GreyFoxx: are you NTSC or PAL?

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GreyFoxx:

sigger: You are probably seeing interlacing effects

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GreyFoxx:

NTSC

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GreyFoxx:

otherwise it would be x5765

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GreyFoxx:

otherwise it would be x576

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sigger:

ah

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Juski:

stuarta: from what I've been able to find, did you just mean missing watermarks – icons associated with the button functions?

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Juski:

jsharpe: you need a symbolic link from /var/www/mythweb/somedir to your recordings directory for that to work IIRC

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GreyFoxx:

sigger: Interlacing effects will look something like these screenshots: http://deinterlace.sourceforge.net/screenshots/index.htm

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Juski:

time for a cuppa

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sigger:

GreyFoxx: well I'm currently using xine's deinterlacing (for dvd iso's which is where I get the jaggies). guess I should try kerneldeint

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GreyFoxx:

sigger: I can't comment on xine as I don't use it

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sigger:

avi's give the fuzziness. what player do you use GreyFoxx?

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fusion_05:

in my programming guide it lists the channel number, but where the name is supposed to be, it lists the number again. any ideas?

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GreyFoxx:

I use the myth internal player for everything

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GreyFoxx:

consistant controls, configuration and it works

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sigger:

hmm, may have to try that. Thanks guys. In theory thank you too Aid` :-p

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GreyFoxx:

I tell ya though, last time I changed my modeline and reconfigured everything made a huge improvement in visual quality

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jsharpe:

thanx Juski I see where it's looking for the file now...i'll ln it up

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GreyFoxx:

I was happy before, I'm extremely happy now

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sigger:

er, what was the case sensitive syntax for calling the internal player? "internal:fname"? (and I'm definitely gonna try 720x480)

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GreyFoxx:

Just Internal

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GreyFoxx:

I use it for mythvideo and mythdvd (running svn head)

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sigger:

no %s or params?

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GreyFoxx:

no parameters

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sigger:

well that couldn't be easier

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GreyFoxx:

ModeLine "720x480" 26.7 720 736 808 896 480 481 484 497

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GreyFoxx:

I use that modeline,with Overscan pushed up to 100%

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GreyFoxx:

both in my X config and I have the nvidia-settings app set it when X loads

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sigger:

will play with it tonight. myth has HUGE WAF (and consequently increased time and financial budget) so I'd love to fine tune a couple of such issues.

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sigger:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

heh I have to "schedule"downtime for maintenance and such heh

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GreyFoxx:

the wife and little one use it too much to jsut make changes all the time :)

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sigger:

hehe, yeah WAF is huge because it makes life easy in dealing with little one's video requests :)

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sigger:

in fact, ATM I only use it for mythvideo. gotta look at mythmusic this weekend. wanna see how it feels with 12K+ song library

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c4t3l:

i-rod: thanks for your tutorial it really helped me out

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c4t3l:

j-rod: thanks for your tutorial it really helped me out

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fusion_05:

...are you guys seeing my text?

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c4t3l:

i did

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c4t3l:

freenode's been on the fritz today

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fusion_05:

hmm.

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fusion_05:

well, i've been having problems with my program guide, and i was just wondering if everyones been able to see what i'm saying.

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c4t3l:

what type of problem?

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Anduin:

fusion_05: You did an analog scan?

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fusion_05:

yeah, by doing scan for channels?

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fusion_05:

yeah. i did that then mythfilldatabase

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Anduin:

fusion_05: Yes, you are using TMS DataDirect?

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c4t3l:

here we go again!

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fusion_05:

jesus

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fusion_05:

um, yeah you mean zap2it?

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Anduin:

fusion_05: Yes, run mythfilldatabase with the update channel option, and if you are using DataDirect you don't need to channel scan.

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fusion_05:

ok...how do i run mythfilldatabase with update channel option?

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Anduin:

fusion_05: --help (--do-channel-updates)

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fusion_05:

mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates?

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jams:

yeah

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fusion_05:

great. let me see if that works...

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netrix:

can anyone recommend a dvb card that works in north america?

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netrix:

or is there such a thing?

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fusion_05:

im on my tv... it's mythfilldatabase --do.channel.updates but i get illegal option errors. what am i doing wrong/

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Anduin:

fusion_05: mythfilldatabase --help

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fusion_05:

yeah, i did that. it really didn't give me any arguements to the command or anything. it just told me what it did.

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stuarta:

please shoot me. the neighbours over the back are doing horrible karaoke....

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fusion_05:

zomg

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Anduin:

Impossible, with so much good karaoke out there.

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fusion_05:

i will

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Anduin:

fusion_05: The --help option should just list all the options, look for one about updating channels.

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stuarta:

I'm calling BULLSHIT on that. There is no good karaoke out there.

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stuarta:

aaargh. now they are murdering Time Warp

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fusion_05:

...put your hands on your hips...

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netrix:

anyone using the pcHDTV card?

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Zider:

it's just a step to the right...

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Anduin:

I doubt it is worse than the original.

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Zider:

I have it on dvd :D

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stuarta:

so do i. The original was great.

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Zider:

love that movie

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fusion_05:

fixed my problem.

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fusion_05:

easy fix too. just deleted channel info, then mythfilldatabase.

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Juski:

hokay. that's a new watermark made for mytharchive

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jams:

heh

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** jams should get around to doing that **

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Juski:

I might change my mind, but a perspective-warped photo of the contents of a dvd rack might do the job ;)

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jams:

i was thinking an open safe with a dvd inside

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Juski:

ooo just changed my mind

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fusion_05:

guys i need more help. how do i change the stinkin time? it's wrong.

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Sebulba02:

the time of?

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fusion_05:

system time

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Sebulba02:

in linux?

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fusion_05:

it's off, and i can't figure out how to change it.

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fusion_05:

yeah, linux.

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Sebulba02:

man date

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Sebulba02:

unless your timezone is wrong..

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fusion_05:

yeah, timezone is off. minutes is right

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Sebulba02:

cat /etc/timezone

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Sebulba02:

is that right?

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fusion_05:

let me check.

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fusion_05:

there's nothing there. i'm using knoppmyth if that helps any.

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Juski:

hrm. flame picture toobs are okay but they don't look right

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jams:

try /etc/localtime

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fusion_05:

nope.

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hads|home:

Try running tzconfig

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fusion_05:

tzconfig worked...but it's really hard to make out text since im reading on a tv

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Juski:

ahh I need an eject media watermark too

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fusion_05:

ok i think i got it..

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hads|home:

Then you should have /etc/localtime setup now.

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Sebulba02:

/etc/localtime here is a binary file..

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Sebulba02:

though it is debian and not knopp

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hads|home:

Yup, it should be.

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hads|home:

tzconfig just copies the appropriate timezone file from /usr/share/zoneinfo/

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hads|home:

Some distros may symlink it

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fusion_05:

i've got it.

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fusion_05:

tzconfig worked like a charm

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fusion_05:

thanks for the tips =)

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** stuarta suspects the karaoke singers have gone to the pub.... **

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Juski:

hooray!

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Sebulba02:

you watching the latest naruto episode?

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fusion_05:

stuarta – quick! go pour water on the karaoke machine!

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Juski:

naruto? wtf?

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** stuarta sends in the battle droids. **

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fusion_05:

zomg ... battle droids

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fusion_05:

overkill much?

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Sebulba02:

just curious, I just read something about karaoke on a filler.

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Juski:

stuarta: when you mentioned stuff missing from my theme did you mean the watermarks or actual menu items? I'm damned if I can find anything missing other than the odd watermark. sorry for the hassle I'm just stumped

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stuarta:

erm. i'll have to look at my error messages as I play with things.... there wasn't a lot i'll admit.

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Juski:

ahh there were error messages.. that gives me more to go on :)

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doctormo:

i'm having problems, mysql doesn't want to work, can't reset password, whole think is just borked. any way of getting mythtv to run off of csv files ;-) ?

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Anduin:

doctormo: You have no choice but to become a MySQL expert.

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** doctormo gives Anduin the look of hatred of a thousand rebirths **

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** jams wonders what that means **

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Juski:

yeah but when you become a MySQL wizard, you will be rewarded with 11 virgins when you go to heaven

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doctormo:

Anduin: I've just had a rather interesting chat with mysql guys, I hate mysql already, funny because a second ago I loved mysel I use it all the time for perl web applications.

[21:28:20]

kormoc:

Juski, too bad they are male virgins

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evilDagmar:

Learn about the database dump utility.

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doctormo:

kormoc: why would that be bad?

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kormoc:

doctormo, alas, just less lovely to look at

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Juski:

damn that eject watermark is funky. pity my others aren't

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Juski:

I need a proper camera

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doctormo:

kormoc: depends, for instance if your a green newt called albert your hardly going to hold much of an opinion

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Anduin:

doctormo: Everyone is free to hate MySQL, it certainly isn't lacking of reasons. Still basic "get in to the DB" stuff works.

[21:30:20]

Juski:

doctormo: there are plenty of guides out there on resetting mysql passwords. Just google (tm)

[21:30:37]

Juski:

I'm not a huge fan of Linux today but hey needs must

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doctormo:

Juski: *sigh* I know, I tried the damn thing, it just shruged at me and resumed sulking

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kormoc:

doctormo, I doubt Mr. Green Newt called albert would be a mysql wizard

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doctormo:

kormoc: you never know, there may have been a time when green news rules the planet and invented mysql too.

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Juski:

and I bet by this time tomorrow I can't remember how to do that new export script I finished today

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Juski:

=^ s foo ackbar/////thingy\erm/someoption

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doctormo:

I'll just have to go back to tvtime, which has no developers working on it and hardly any features. until such times as mythtv works with bdb

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stuarta:

return -ENOJACKDANIELS

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stuarta:

bdb? are you nuts

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doctormo:

What is mythtv storing in mysql anyway?

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stuarta:

only everything.

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Juski:

doctormo: er... everything

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doctormo:

Juski: even how to make paper duck origarmi? neat

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Juski:

I had enough people whine at me about mythtv using mysql at LRL a few weeks ago. god that sucked.

[21:34:32]

Juski:

(the whining I mean)

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stuarta:

wtf is their problem

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Juski:

superiority complexes

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doctormo:

Juski: well it is Linux, they could just fork it is they wanted to

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Juski:

if folks do enough digging they'll discover that abstracting the database is (loosely) on the to-do list

[21:35:54]

Juski:

it's just not a high priority (or any kind of priority) right now

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doctormo:

stuarta: the problem is that an application shouldn't use a server in the way mythtv does. if mythtv is just a server then it's ok to use mysql. but as an application it needs something saved in a file.

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Anduin:

ever promised, wished for, looked in to, never done

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stuarta:

what is a db for? storing information?

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stuarta:

what does myth do with the db? store information!

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Juski:

and furthermore – this isn't the place to discuss it. the developers have their perogatives and if you ain't happy with that then use something else for the time being

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mishehu:

stuarta: metadata, channel listings, recordings to take place, commercial flagging, etc.

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doctormo:

stuarta: just in the wrong _kind_ of database

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mishehu:

oh

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mishehu:

you were asking more of a rhetorical question

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stuarta:

mishehu: it's retorical. i know what's in the DB

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mishehu:

doctormo: and what would the right *kind* of database?

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Juski:

if you were to being flat files into the equation that has issues of its own

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doctormo:

Juski: irksum response sir

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doctormo:

Juski: such is life, but at least they wouldn't be installation issues

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Juski:

doctormo: discussing it here is not going to make any difference, so it's a wasted exercise

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mishehu:

doctormo: then there might be runtime issues

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mishehu:

data sharing issues

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mishehu:

etc etc etc

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Juski:

try freevo

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Juski:

they don't use a mysql DB, but they can't do commercial flagging or editing either

[21:39:27]

mishehu:

mythtv does a good job of keeping what data needs to be in the database, and what doesn't (namely actual files) in the filesystem

[21:39:59]

mishehu:

Juski: I bet they don't work as a pool of recorders either

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doctormo:

mishehu: assuming the database works... which in my case it doesn't because it's used for other things. so mythtv just freaks out

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Juski:

oh yeah I'm _always_ forgetting that freevo is all-in-one-box-or-else

[21:40:18]

mishehu:

doctormo: I beg to differ, it works fine for m e.

[21:40:37]

doctormo:

mishehu: you can hardly bed to differ that it doesn't work for me.

[21:40:57]

mishehu:

doctormo: perhaps the problem is how your (mis)using it?

[21:41:27]

Juski:

for the little bit of hassle setting it up properly (which lets be honest isn't that hard if you read the right docs & understand them) it brings a wealth of great features unseen on other apps (which don't use databases)

[21:41:33]

mishehu:

I'll admit, if you set it up from scratch yourself with something like gentoo or slackware, it's not hte easiest thing to learn.

[21:42:00]

mishehu:

Juski: if you do everything from source it can be a bitch the first time or two to get everything working ;-)

[21:42:01]

Anduin:

doctormo: The number of people who've been in here, knowing almost nothing of MySQL, who successfully reset their MySQL passwords is a number greater than 1, sometimes in a single day.

[21:42:02]

laga:

doctormo: so, if the DB is used for other things on your network you should be able to set it up with no trouble at all ;)

[21:42:38]

mishehu:

Anduin: so he's just basically bitching that he doesn't want to learn how to use mysql itself?

[21:42:41]

doctormo:

laga: you would have thought so, sulking database as I said

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doctormo:

mishehu: no you dummy I know how to use mysql.

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Anduin:

mishehu: partially, he is mixing it up with random thoughts/annoyances

[21:43:27]

mishehu:

Anduin: ah ok.

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** mishehu gets out a stamper ready just in case... heh **

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Juski:

all this is fine & dandy but doctormo hasn't actually specifically said what's wrong yet

[21:43:58]

laga:

doctormo: suliking database. yeah. and you're its sulking user. it's just a mysql -u root < mc.sql and you're done, there's no black magic involved

[21:44:05]

mishehu:

Juski: yeah, I noticed. just random generalizations.

[21:44:24]

mishehu:

laga: odd, I don't even remember having to do that either.

[21:44:46]

jams:

most packages take care of that for you

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mishehu:

I thought recent versions of myth automatically generate the schema if it doesn't exist.

[21:44:57]

mishehu:

unless I'm being senile...

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jams:

mishehu- you still need to create the database

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laga:

mishehu: mc.sql just creates the user and the mythconverg db, mythtv inserts everything else.

[21:45:16]

mishehu:

aaah

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doctormo:

laga: well done, you've managed to proivde something even mysqls offical docs fail to do.

[21:45:26]

laga:

doctormo: huh?

[21:45:35]

mishehu:

jams: it's just the "create database mythconverg; GRANT blahblahblah" commands

[21:45:43]

mishehu:

I did that manually heh

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doctormo:

laga: it worked

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jams:

mishehu- yeah I know

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Juski:

doctormo: wth does mysql -u root < mc.sql have to do with the mysql official docs?

[21:46:11]

mishehu:

actually, mysql's official docs DO say how to do that

[21:46:19]

mishehu:

I think we caught us a troll, guys

[21:46:37]

laga:

doctormo: oh my god. you know what? this is not in the official mysql docs, it's in the official mythtv docs. and you have obviously no clue about mysql. or RTFM, for that matter.

[21:47:21]

mishehu:

laga: how to load text files containing sql statements IS in the mysql docs too ;-)

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** stuarta loses interest **

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Juski:

time to svn update

[21:47:51]

laga:

mishehu: yeah. but why read them when it's covered in the mythtv docs? :)

[21:48:17]

doctormo:

laga: you don't take thanks well do you. your example managed to reset the password, mysql already contains the mc.sql schema so that wasn't a problem.

[21:48:19]

Juski:

stuarta: been thru almost every menu & I've had no errors about missing stuff... so I'll svn update & see what happens

[21:48:32]

mishehu:

laga: hey, you got 2 places to be able to find it now for the price of none! heh

[21:49:10]

mishehu:

doctormo: for somebody who says he knows mysql, I'm rather surpised that you couldn't do that manually yourself.

[21:49:13]

laga:

mishehu: price of none.. yeah.

[21:49:24]

Juski:

Retro has an OSD now? ooo

[21:49:26]

laga:

doctormo: no, not in that case.

[21:49:29]

stuarta:

Juski: you've probably found all of them....

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doctormo:

mishehu: yes information is magic isn't it, when the offical mysql docs tell you to do one thing which doesn't work but someone in a forum gives you a clue to a mysql command which when tweaked workes. my god.

[21:50:25]

Juski:

stuarta: just the watermarks? I'd be happy at that :)

[21:51:08]

Juski:

right. how do I go about submitting my scripty thing? anyone feel up to checking it before I get laughed off the planet?

[21:51:22]

mishehu:

doctormo: well, I guess what you mean by "knowing" it is that you know how to install the program and configure it to run, but you don't actually know how to do SQL'y type things with it eh?

[21:51:37]

mishehu:

they'd be two different types of "knowing"

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jams:

Juski- what is it written in?

[21:51:42]

Juski:

jams: perl

[21:52:02]

mishehu:

doctormo: you can always read the mc.sql file and see what it does.

[21:52:12]

doctormo:

mishehu: I know what it does.

[21:52:13]

mishehu:

it's a text file with sql statements

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jams:

no thanks I try to avoid perl whenever I can

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Juski:

heheh jams so do I

[21:53:01]

Juski:

I might've done it in bash had there been anything up here (points to brain) about using it with mysql ;)

[21:53:20]

jams:

ah that would have been pretty simple

[21:53:29]

jams:

oh well you have a perl script now

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Juski:

hahahah You don't have permission to access /foo/dvbradioexport.pl on this server

[21:54:50]

Juski:

oh crap. rename it as .txt & the server still thinks... blech

[21:55:00]

Juski:

I'll have to tar it up

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** jams wonders if midnight should be updated for .20 **

[21:57:25]

Juski:

jams: I'd say before the bug reports start coming in ;)

[21:57:44]

jams:

dont' know if anybody uses it

[21:57:48]

jams:

I know I don't

[21:57:49]

** stuarta wonders if that's on Greyfoxx's todo list. **

[21:57:54]

Juski:

some guy emailed me to say pg-wide was broken with SVN, with a patch :)

[21:57:55]

doctormo:

How does mythtv deal with set top boxes?

[21:58:17]

mishehu:

doctormo: you either need something like an irblaster or if it's firewire it can do that too

[21:58:27]

jams:

I think midnight-wide will work but not for sure about square

[21:58:29]

stuarta:

doctormo: if you have a cable box, it can receive the feed via firewire.

[21:58:41]

Juski:

no firewire-enabled cable boxen in the UK

[21:58:44]

mishehu:

stuarta: not all stb's have firewire of course.

[21:58:56]

stuarta:

no, that's the states.

[21:58:58]

Juski:

certainly not from NTL

[21:59:07]

stuarta:

or $ky

[21:59:23]

doctormo:

Juski: guess what I have

[21:59:55]

Juski:

oh and NTL boxen come in 3 or 4 flavours.. Pace 1000, Pace 2000, Pace 4000, & Samsung. the 1st two use a protocol like IrDA for their remotes (fugly)

[22:00:07]

jams:

heh I worked with time warner for 3–4 weeks trying to get a firewire port. Finally got one and still haven't done a thing with it

[22:00:12]

Juski:

doctormo: NTL?

[22:00:37]

doctormo:

NTL box

[22:00:49]

** stuarta attempts authoring a dvd with 4 recordings **

[22:01:01]

doctormo:

Juski: It's an AMT 2100c

[22:01:05]

doctormo:

SMT

[22:01:20]

Juski:

if it's a Pace 1000 or 2000 series you can't just use a regular IR blaster (www.redremote.co.uk IIRC)

[22:01:36]

Juski:

SMT 2100c? analogue or digital?

[22:01:47]

doctormo:

digital

[22:01:51]

stuarta:

the good news is. Tonight is the last night of BB.

[22:02:01]

doctormo:

stuarta: Big Brother?

[22:02:08]

Juski:

samsung digital. uses rc-5 & I've got the codes stashed away here somewhere

[22:02:11]

stuarta:

unfortunately

[22:02:17]

Juski:

the bad news: X factor starts again tomorrow

[22:02:27]

doctormo:

stuarta: then tomorow is the good news

[22:02:34]

stuarta:

at least that doesn't broadcast 24hrs!

[22:02:45]

jams:

Juski- whats X factor?

[22:02:51]

stuarta:

shit

[22:02:58]

doctormo:

does mythtv include a stupid flag with it's advert flag?

[22:03:14]

jams:

something like "fear factor" ?

[22:03:23]

mishehu:

what's the advert flag?

[22:03:27]

Juski:

jams: car-crash television where wannabe popstars get humiliated

[22:03:28]

doctormo:

Juski: rc-5?

[22:03:31]

stuarta:

karaoke gone wrong = X factor

[22:03:38]

Juski:

doctormo: an infra-red control protocol

[22:03:41]

jams:

ah

[22:03:45]

kormoc:

jammyd, Fear Factor to the eXtreme!

[22:03:57]

doctormo:

Juski: how does it work?

[22:04:00]

Juski:

http://chrismi.com/pages/samsung/ ... damn, so that's why my cable box is always locking up

[22:04:14]

jams:

must be what american idol was based off of

[22:04:31]

stuarta:

more or less...

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Juski:

doctormo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IR_remote_control

[22:04:54]

jams:

that is bad news !

[22:04:54]

doctormo:

no we had that too it was called pop idol

[22:05:46]

Juski:

X-factor would be like the 'solo' version of pop idol

[22:06:01]

Juski:

actually no they have 'bands' too

[22:06:09]

Juski:

dammit it's all just shite anyway, same difference

[22:06:45]

doctormo:

Juski: so if I understand you, I buy an IR remote control and a robotic arm to press the right buttons?

[22:07:27]

Juski:

doctormo: no you can use voice commands if you have the right remote

[22:07:44]

Juski:

or if you live with somebody

[22:08:26]

** jams remote talks back to me **

[22:08:52]

Juski:

back in the 1970s we had a voice-controlled TV changer

[22:09:03]

doctormo:

Juski: I think what I mean is, how can I get the computer to change the channel on the SMT 2100c set top box, hopefully without buying IR hardware... would have thought something in the SCART would allow channel changing for VCRs

[22:09:54]

Juski:

doctormo: heh. if only. NTL had Pace & Samsung disable their IR blaster ports (direct connections to allow the use of IR extenders to input remote control signals)

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doctormo:

Juski: TiVo supports the Samsung NTL Box via SCART so something sujjests to me it's posible

[22:11:50]

Juski:

doctormo: I dunno about that

[22:11:58]

doctormo:

http://www.garysargent.co.uk/tivo/stb.htm

[22:12:22]

stuarta:

cool that worked. bit random on it's ordering....

[22:13:07]

** jams builds another iso **

[22:13:10]

Juski:

doctormo: no – looks like tivo still uses IR for that STB

[22:13:25]

hads|home:

There's only one mention of scart on that page.

[22:13:40]

Juski:

.. which will suck cos the latest 'update' from NTL makes channel changes take about 5 seconds

[22:14:22]

hads|home:

Bummer

[22:14:30]

jams:

Juski- did you add this to your theme? http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/10157

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doctormo:

Juski: damn... what a waste of ports, RJ45, Ethernet, and yet no way to change the freakin channel

[22:15:33]

Juski:

jams: nope not yet

[22:15:37]

Juski:

I'll bookmark it

[22:16:37]

Juski:

the samsung box has USB too

[22:17:12]

Juski:

that'd be nifty.. use USB to rip the digital tv right off the cable

[22:17:16]

jams:

heh not for sure if I added it or not. Just know I had it marked as todo

[22:17:18]

Juski:

but nah

[22:17:46]

Juski:

jams: if it's as well checked as the mythgallery addition MFE will just segfault :-P

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[22:18:17]

jams:

right, I don't think it does sefault

[22:18:49]

Juski:

bah stop adding features you guys! ;)

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Juski:

my themes were finished.. heheh

[22:19:14]

jams:

heh

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jams:

your going to love the new ui plan. All windows are moved to there own xml file.

[22:19:43]

Juski:

I shudder when I think what mythui is going to bring for theme designers in terms of changes

[22:20:05]

Juski:

I can see the advantages of that

[22:20:20]

jams:

yeah big advantages, big initial pain

[22:20:24]

Juski:

editing ui.xml is a PITA

[22:20:33]

jams:

yeah it is

[22:20:45]

Juski:

too easy to lose track of which bit you're editing

[22:21:04]

jams:

lots of replication in the file

[22:21:36]

Juski:

I put overscan markers on a background graphic in pm-wide a while back & they made it into a release I did

[22:22:06]

Juski:

I don't _think_ they're still there anymore...

[22:22:18]

jams:

good idea

[22:22:48]

Juski:

ooo – that's a thing... the main UI themes obey the overscan 'rule'.. are the setup menus gonna?

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jams:

don't know. I would think so

[22:23:42]

Juski:

they really need to I think

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doctormo:

Juski: looking at SCART it does have a D2B pins, Data Bus which was supposed to be used for Home automation including tv channel switching

[22:24:22]

Juski:

doctormo: splitting hairs now...if it were possible on NTL STBs it'd be documented by now I'd have thought

[22:24:59]

Juski:

I work with somebody who has tivo with telewest .. he has to use IR to change channels

[22:26:05]

doctormo:

Juski: wow I can't believe how technolledgy goes backwards sometimes.

[22:26:22]

Juski:

jams: this brings me back to the big thing I'm still planning to do at some point – rework the UI sizing code so you move markers around instead of entering numbers :)

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jams:

just being able to type in the numbers would be good

[22:27:45]

Juski:

jams: nah I think taking that out & making the user mark the corners of the screen would work much better I think

[22:28:31]

jams:

without a mouse?

[22:28:52]

Juski:

yeah. I've seen it on 2 different things now – XBMC and a linuxy cable box

[22:29:28]

Juski:

the util puts a triangle at the top left (ish) and one at the bottom right (ish).. one is highlighted at a time & you move it with arrow buttons

[22:29:50]

Juski:

press a key to highlight the other triangle and move it... then press another key when you're done. ta-da :)

[22:31:32]

Juski:

the diff. between the axes in the positions of the triangles gives you the scaling factor and the absolute position gives you the offsets

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grevees:

ok, I'm in my final stages of setup for Myth, I run mythbackend, and I get a line: No setting found for this machine's backendserverIP.

[22:32:07]

Anduin:

grevees: mythtv-setup first.

[22:32:10]

grevees:

I thought we were supposed to leave it at the default 127.0.0.1 if the frontend/backend were all on one machine

[22:32:26]

Juski:

yup

[22:32:39]

Juski:

check that your hostname hasn't changed since you ran mythtv-setup

[22:32:48]

grevees:

hmm, ok, whats the command to get mythbackend to stop

[22:33:08]

Juski:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend stop – usually

[22:33:15]

grevees:

ok, thx Juski!!

[22:33:32]

grevees:

failed

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grevees:

hmmmmm

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doctormo:

Juski: well I've sent a technical query to samsung, probably useless but you never know

[22:34:05]

Juski:

grevees: you'd have to be root, or sudo

[22:34:40]

grevees:

failed again

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grevees:

man, WTF

[22:35:09]

grevees:

I'll reboot, since its not auto, It shoudl clear itself out then

[22:35:25]

Anduin:

grevees: just kill it

[22:35:30]

grevees:

so close, but I feel so far away form getting it done

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doctormo:

http://forums.freytechnologies.com/forums/sho . . . hreadid=7082 do I take it this is talking about the functionality that is not available anymore in my set top box?

[22:38:48]

Juski:

no that's still an IR blaster

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doctormo:

Juski: using a serial lead?

[22:40:42]

Juski:

yes. serial port to infra-red emitter you point at the STB

[22:40:52]

Juski:

(or stick on the front of it more like)

[22:41:00]

laga:

somebody in the forums put his backend log on rapidshare.de. kill me now.

[22:41:14]

Juski:

lol

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Juski:

there was a troll in the english forum earlier. very petulant bastard

[22:41:35]

laga:

Juski: it's the mythtv@zenslack guy, btw

[22:41:55]

laga:

oh, nice. what'd you do... hey, what are you doing there?

[22:42:16]

grevees:

ok, now I rebooted, re-ran mythtv-setup, and I get this error that it could not connect to the database, please verify the settings

[22:42:32]

grevees:

never had that error when I first ran it

[22:43:19]

Juski:

laga: just... can't... resist....

[22:43:59]

Juski:

oooyay... mythweb has my userjob in there now.. nift-eee

[22:44:33]

doctormo:

Juski: I supose I could always wire up the buttons on the front casing to my computers serial port ;-)

[22:46:17]

grevees:

ok, hostname:127.0.0.1, right?

[22:46:30]

grevees:

Database: mythconverg, right?

[22:46:42]

grevees:

user: mythtv, right?

[22:47:02]

grevees:

password: <mythtv's password> riight?

[22:47:07]

Juski:

grevees: right

[22:47:15]

grevees:

Database type: MySQL

[22:47:22]

Juski:

is mysql running?

[22:47:33]

grevees:

then I can't get why it cannot connect to the databse

[22:47:44]

grevees:

one sec

[22:49:26]

grevees:

says its started

[22:50:13]

grevees:

wait a sec, how do you check in FC?

[22:50:59]

doctormo:

ok this is odd, I'm getting headache echoing, how to I center the backwards/formats?

[22:52:04]

grevees:

anyone?

[22:52:31]

Anduin:

grevees: just look at your process list

[22:52:39]

doctormo:

my sound is sort of being recorded and played at the same time

[22:53:06]

grevees:

k

[22:53:27]

Anduin:

grevees: or service mysql status

[22:54:22]

Anduin:

doctormo: read about how to properly setup your card type

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Demerzel:

back

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doctormo:

Anduin: yeesss... hmmm

[22:56:03]

Demerzel:

has anything here successfully used bt848, bt878 and the pvr-350 in the same box under kernel 2.6.17?

[22:57:41]

grevees:

yeas, the MySQL database is currently running

[22:57:59]

grevees:

mythbackend is not

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Anduin:

grevees: using a paste site, paste the exact error the backend reports

[22:58:52]

grevees:

actually its a small error, I can just paste it here

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doctormo:

Anduin: is there a specific page that contains the set up for bt878?

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grevees:

2 lines

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grevees:

ok, now this is new

[23:00:17]

grevees:

telles me unable to connect to database

[23:00:34]

grevees:

driver error was [1/1045]

[23:00:57]

grevees:

QMYSQLB: unable to connect

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stuarta:

do you have the qt mysql libs installed?

[23:01:46]

grevees:

then it says the error was because access denied for user 'mythtv@localhost' (using password=YES)

[23:01:54]

Anduin:

grevees: finally

[23:02:20]

grevees:

I take it that was the error you were looking for???

[23:02:20]

Anduin:

five lines

[23:02:51]

grevees:

before it was just 2 lines of unable to connect

[23:02:59]

grevees:

and it would just sit there

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Anduin:

grevees: How are you installing?

[23:03:29]

Anduin:

(from source, a package, etc)

[23:03:40]

grevees:

pckage

[23:03:59]

grevees:

yum install mythtv-suite

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grevees:

FC5

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Anduin:

I'm mostly sure the atrpms package should do the DB stuff for you

[23:04:41]

grevees:

this guide: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Fedora_Core

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Anduin:

grevees: or maybe not, did you do the "Setup MySQL" stuff (the mc.sql in particular)

[23:08:07]

Juski:

jees I'm sure that machine of mine is getting slower

[23:08:40]

Anduin:

grevees: and it worked?

[23:09:49]

Juski:

just marked my radio channels as commercial-free. no point commflagging em :)

[23:09:56]

grevees:

the first time yes

[23:10:15]

grevees:

then after I started the backend, got those errors, now nothign works

[23:10:34]

Anduin:

grevees: Until you can mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg it isn't working.

[23:11:24]

grevees:

well, heres the weird thing, I just replaced mythtv with root, and now it works just fine

[23:11:38]

grevees:

but i'm not sure about loggin in as root to the database

[23:12:05]

Anduin:

grevees: do the mc.sql thing again

[23:12:17]

grevees:

it first told me couldn't connect, then took me to the screen to enter the correct DB info, I chaas root, or user?

[23:12:34]

grevees:

do it as root, or user?

[23:12:43]

Anduin:

grevees: the mc.sql thing as root (like on the page)

[23:13:13]

grevees:

ok, done

[23:13:15]

Anduin:

It is lame that the page has you set the root password as one of the steps.

[23:13:30]

Anduin:

grevees: Now try the -u mythtv one

[23:13:32]

laga:

Juski: booting my s100 now. :)

[23:13:44]

grevees:

as user, right?

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Anduin:

grevees: That is what -u does

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grevees:

access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password:YES)

[23:16:25]

Juski:

laga: heh. I'm knee-deep in xml

[23:16:30]

Juski:

and compiling svn plugins

[23:17:13]

stuarta:

i'm catching up on episodes of "Son Of The Beach"

[23:17:31]

stuarta:

not sure if it's B or C grade tv :)

[23:17:37]

Anduin:

C

[23:17:42]

jams:

C

[23:17:47]

jams:

but funny

[23:17:48]

Juski:

so if I want to contribute my user-job script, how do I submit it? make a ticket & attach it?

[23:18:03]

stuarta:

Juski: yep, assign it to me.

[23:18:40]

stuarta:

funny indeed :)

[23:18:48]

Juski:

and GreyFoxx I hope you realise that if you add grayhem to myththemes I'll have to bloody maintain it.. (mutter, mutter, mutter)

[23:19:01]

stuarta:

Baywatch with the correct amount of inuendo

[23:19:24]

Juski:

stuarta: cheers

[23:19:56]

grevees:

Anduin, still there??

[23:20:05]

Anduin:

grevees: Yes.

[23:20:34]

Anduin:

grevees: I'd look at your MySQL user table.

[23:20:48]

laga:

Juski: good luck :)

[23:21:03]

grevees:

ok, may I ask how?

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Anduin:

grevees: (as root) mysql mysql -e "select * from user;"

[23:23:51]

Anduin:

grevees: some MySQL GUI would probably make looking at things easier

[23:24:34]

grevees:

I got access denied for root @ localhost

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grevees:

wtf

[23:25:08]

Anduin:

grevees: Yeah, you'll need to -p it (thanks to that "set the root password" step in the guide)

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grevees:

so add a -p to the command line

[23:27:01]

Anduin:

yes

[23:27:59]

Juski:

ooo.. http://www.juski.co.uk/eject.png

[23:28:18]

Juski:

not-so-oooo http://www.juski.co.uk/archive.png

[23:28:19]

grevees:

ok, and what am I looking for exactly?

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stuarta:

Juski: nice, how do you come up with those???

[23:29:02]

grevees:

I found where it said user (No default value)

[23:29:09]

Juski:

stuarta: not a linux bitmap editor, that's fer sure ;)

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Juski:

the flames on archive.png are the 'flame' picture tube tool in paintshop pro, two layers & alpha gradients

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Juski:

the eject button is from a library I got at work, re-coloured in

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laga:

Juski: that's really really nifty.

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Juski:

awww shucks :)

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Juski:

actually no I needed that. thanks guys

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Anduin:

grevees: You'd be looking for the user.

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Juski:

can I give up my dayjob yet? ;)

[23:31:46]

grevees:

user (No default value)

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laga:

Juski: for what theme is that? PG or just general stuff?

[23:32:54]

Juski:

laga: PG of course ;)

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Juski:

damn. has anyone done buttondefs for mytharchive & eject yet?

[23:33:21]

Juski:

I hope I don't have to UTSL tonight

[23:33:28]

Juski:

not at this hour

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laga:

hehe

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Juski:

bastard. GANT hasn't got em

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Juski:

button_types.txt hasn't either

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grevees:

man, WTF has gone wrong with this damn thing

[23:37:47]

grevees:

?!?!?!?!?!

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Anduin:

grevees: probably not much

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Juski:

aha! blue has eject

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Juski:

one big long fgrep coming up...

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grevees:

still nothing, it cannot connect to the database

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Juski:

you don't have to restart mysql for user perms to take effect do you?

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kormoc:

Juski, nope, just flush privileges;

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grevees:

Anduin, should the command you showed me have user then have the root password where it says (No default value)

[23:42:06]

grevees:

i.e. user <root password>

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claybo:

Hey everyone. Sorry, this is a little off-topic, but I have a machine with a GeForce 6200 in it. I have MythVideo's player set to "Internal" right now, but it's been having a lot of problems and I want to switch back to mplayer. What is the best command-line setting for mplayer so that video playback is smooth and accurate for XvMC?

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Juski:

claybo: see the mythtv wiki for that

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claybo:

Juski, cool. I'll take a quick look. Thanks.

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Anduin:

grevees: if you set the root password (as instructed on that page), then there should be something there, not that we care about your root user (it works, and apparently has a password), you are looking for the mythtv user.

[23:45:43]

grevees:

notta, all I got is just plain user, not mythtv user

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Juski:

claybo: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#MPlayer

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Anduin:

grevees: the mythconverg database exists (just replace the select with a show databases)?

[23:49:07]

grevees:

?

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Anduin:

grevees: go install a MySQL GUI program

[23:51:16]

grevees:

ok, again, (no default value)

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grevees:

user (No default value)

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grevees:

database (No default value)

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grevees:

crap, should I just start over?

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grevees:

re-format/re-do everything?

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Anduin:

grevees: I wouldn't

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grevees:

well, since I really have no clue how to fix it... at all, I really don't knw what else to do

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Juski:

well you know you have a fallback position, right? it works with the root mysql user for now

[23:58:44]

Juski:

if you had phpmyadmin installed it'd be easier to fix believe me

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Anduin:

grevees: Worst case, reinstalling MySQL, much easier and faster than burning everything to the ground.

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Juski:

yes!!!! I got the archive watermark in there. in your FACE

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