Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, August 17th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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TrickFinlay2:

haha me and my roommate,lmpbzktwn5,are just looking for the cheapest solution

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rob-ix:

and you can get a phone number

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kormoc:

rob-ix, only if you're in the UK, or have people that don't mind paying for international calling

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Juski:

TrickFinlay2: you've not heard of Phreaking then? :-P

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Juski:

oops wrong century

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TrickFinlay2:

haha its not 1986

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rob-ix:

arh... I forget that we're not all from the sunny UK

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rob-ix:

;-)

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TrickFinlay2:

sunny?

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rob-ix:

well, I was taking the P

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kormoc:

as long as you're not in london!

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rob-ix:

I am

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rob-ix:

just smog and pollution

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Juski:

muhahahahaha soon you will be able to export dvb radio recordings to mp3 files in a location of your choosing from a user job :)

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rob-ix:

did anyone get any further with recording multiple stream from one DVB card?

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kormoc:

Ahh, london

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Juski:

rob-ix: it kinda works, allegedly

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rob-ix:

I take it that the SVN version?

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kormoc:

"There's a whole in the world like a great black pit and the vermin of the world inhabit it and its morals aren't worth what a pin can spit and it goes by the name of London."

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rob-ix:

or .24-ish?

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Juski:

rob-ix: more like .21 I reckon

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rob-ix:

so soon?

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rob-ix:

and when .21 due out?

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kormoc:

Ahh, wonderful broadway plays to tell us what the rest of the world is!

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Juski:

I wouldn't call that soon

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Juski:

0.20 isn't even out yet man

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Juski:

and no we can't tell you when that'll be either

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jepeltw:

Juski, sure you can

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kormoc:

rob-ix, it's been said it's coming soon for many releases, so I doubt you should even bother to guess.

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jepeltw:

Juski, "when it's ready"

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kormoc:

jepeltw, Actually, Issac seems to dislike even saying that much :P

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jepeltw:

heh

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Juski:

DUH! my did I write all that sql mangling stuff when I could just get the filename from the userjob creator? bah

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Juski:

s/my/why

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Juski:

oh yeah.. I wanted the channel name... that'd be why

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evilDagmar:

Juski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadism_and_masochism

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Juski:

right it's officially too late to wrestle with PERL

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rob-ix:

is it ever earlier enough to wrestle with Perl? ;-)

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Juski:

evilDagmar: heh

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Juski:

rob-ix: if you ever wanna export Essential Mix recordings to yer Ipoo it's not

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Juski:

and do it automagically :)

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rob-ix:

never heard of it/them.... and don't have an iPod..... and Perl leaves a funny after taste

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rob-ix:

;-)

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Juski:

rob-ix: you know the radio stations on Freeview? in 0.20 you'll be able to use em

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rob-ix:

I was aware of them... but never bothered doing the SVN to get them

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Juski:

I don't listen to as much radio as I'd like to because I have no way to timeshift it at the mo

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rob-ix:

I rarely listen to the radio

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Juski:

radio > TV IMHO

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rob-ix:

I did go though a few years without TV... and just radio

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rob-ix:

and I must admit I didn't miss it one bit

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kormoc:

so why are you using myth? :P

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rob-ix:

I got addicted to Big Brother one year

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Juski:

our TV gets most use through my wife watching brain draining shows like soaps.. I planned to use myth to get her to watch them in less time.. it's slowly working now

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Juski:

and I like a few shows, which are always on when she's watching some shite or other on ITV

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kormoc:

Juski, she'll just start to watch more of them!

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Juski:

come to think of it I originally only wanted to record one thing at a time on my own PC... now the DVD player & VCR are gone

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Juski:

dvb radio & mytharchive.. killer features of 0.20 I reckon :)

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rob-ix:

the only screen in my house at the mo is the mythtv/computer screen

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rob-ix:

what's mytharchive?

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Juski:

oh only a plugin to burn shows to dvd

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scott_:

Juski's wife watches Coronation St.

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rob-ix:

so a few lines of bash then with a fancy QT frontend ;-)

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Juski:

rob-ix: not quite.

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kormoc:

Does it support making dvd menus?

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Juski:

yep

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Juski:

and it actually works

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Juski:

oh you can also burn DVDs of files with metadata too – to import back onto the mythbox at a later date

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Juski:

I think a player is being worked on so you'd not have to import them back

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Juski:

reeeet then. time for bed

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Slip-up:

hey all, just installing myth for the first time... playing it safe and going with ver .19 (hoping its stable) but can anyone tell me do the themes go in the myth dir?, or in the mythtv/mythtvthemes dir...?

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Slip-up:

???

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kormoc:

Support is currentl $99.95 a minute. Please enter your credit card information and a support technician will be helping you soon.

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kormoc:

and please, for the love of god, don't actually type your credit card numbers

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kormoc:

Slip-up, as for where the themes go, the README file that is in the theme's tarball goes over how to install them

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jepeltw:

and please, for the love of all the saints, don't type your expiry date too

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rob-ix:

and CV2

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Slip-up:

;)

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Slip-up:

thx Kormoc :)

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kormoc:

you're welcome

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scopeuk:

ok i know im not the only one who many people here are waiting for alevel results tomoz?

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scopeuk:

well later today

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Slip-up:

kormoc.... have any idea on how to enable qmake??

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Slip-up:

did a google on it, but to no avail.....

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evilDagmar:

Slip-up: You don't "enable" it. It's part of Qt

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Slip-up:

ok, but everytime i try to do a qmake, qmake: command not found

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Slip-up:

I see it in the usr/lib/qt3/bin dir, but nothing when I try to actually use it

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jepeltw:

Slip-up, then you need to add that dir to your $PATH

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Slip-up:

ok, I'll try agian

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Slip-up:

that needs to point to the direct dir that qmake is located in, correct?

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jepeltw:

yes, the same dir you just stated

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gardengnome:

umm

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evilDagmar:

Heheh

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gardengnome:

you need to *add* it to $PATH, don't overwrith it

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** evilDagmar makies some popcorn **

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gardengnome:

export PATH = $PATH:/your/qmake/dir

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gardengnome:

hehe

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Defold:

when I'm doing a make, it tells me:warning XXXXXX has virtual functions but non virtual destructor. safe to ignore?

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Kelerion:

yup

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Defold:

gotcha... thx

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Defold:

how long does a make usualyl last for Myth?

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Kelerion:

depends on the pc

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Kelerion:

20 mins max I'd say

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Defold:

ok, kewl

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Defold:

you say a athlon X2 4200 2 gig ram a bit overboard?

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Kelerion:

what you doing with it?

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Defold:

I'm running a dvb, HDTV, and PVR500 MCE

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Defold:

quad tuner setup

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Kelerion:

combined frontend and backend?

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Defold:

yulp

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Defold:

750 gig record space

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Kelerion:

nah.. sounds about right.. the hdtv will take up most of it

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Defold:

would 3–4 gig be better?? or will 2 be right

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Defold:

(ram)

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Kelerion:

2 gig? for hdtv? nope

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Kelerion:

oh

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Kelerion:

2 gig should be fine

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Defold:

kewl, kewl..... hope this turns out good

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Defold:

what distro you use Kel?

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Kelerion:

should be.. good luck

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Kelerion:

ubuntu

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Defold:

man

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Defold:

nothing but Fedora Core and Suse recognize my DVD drive

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Kelerion:

tried ubuntu?

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Defold:

Gentoo did, but kept giving map-device errors

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Defold:

yulp

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Defold:

its a SATA DVD drive

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Defold:

funny thing is, it loads, goes thourhg the setup process, and right before it gets to the 2–3 step, it checks the DVD drive, then gives me a message to install the drivers for the drive

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Kelerion:

apart from a funky removable drink.. ubuntu hasn't had a problem with anything on *any* on my machine.. and I have a lot of 'em

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Kelerion:

drink=drive

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gardengnome:

drink? umbongo :)

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Defold:

when I can't produce em, it tells me it can't continue without the cdrom drivers

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Kelerion:

yup yup.. lol

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Defold:

oh well

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Defold:

you know anyoen that uses Suse as a distro?

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Kelerion:

it even works *great* on my laptop.. in fact I've not seen a distro work so well outta-the-box on a laptop

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Defold:

I had ubuntu on my P4 2.4 VDR box, I loved it.... first dist. I tried on this new box

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Kelerion:

not here... and only one person in my business life.. and that didn't last long once I found out what he'd done

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Defold:

then went to Debian, then Gentoo, errors, Fedora 5, errors, and now Suse... Seems stable enough for me... kinda bloated though

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Kelerion:

don't get me wrong... I *strongly* recommend people use what works for them

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Defold:

WARNING: Failure to find: version.cpp now it gave me this error.......

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Kelerion:

sorry.. no idea about that one....

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Defold:

hmm, seemed to make ok I guess

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Defold:

when you do a: grep audio /etc/group is it safe if 17 comes up... manual says 18

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Kelerion:

sounds fine... would depend on distro

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Defold:

ahh, gotcha

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Defold:

now heres what went wrong earlier... I'm not getting this mysql database thing

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Kelerion:

whats the erro?

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Kelerion:

error

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Defold:

well, I'm following the manual, and having troubles making heads or tails on what to do

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Defold:

step 6.2 Setting up the intial database

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** Kelerion goes to look... I never read 'em.. lol **

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Defold:

:) lucky you

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Kelerion:

ok.. got it.. so whats the problem?

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Defold:

ok, I got into the docs folder in /mythtv

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Defold:

now I need to enable mysql to log in as root, correct?

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evilDagmar:

*snicker*

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Kelerion:

how does suse install stuff? this isn't from svn is it?

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Defold:

yes it is.... I didn't use the RPM.. I did a svn to get the files

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Kelerion:

ahh ok.. good

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Defold:

I did this: mysqladmin -u root password XXXXXXX

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Kelerion:

you done the db import?

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Defold:

and entered my pass

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Defold:

nope

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Kelerion:

ok

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Kelerion:

and...

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Defold:

then this: mysql -u root < ./mc.sql -p

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Defold:

tells me: bash: ./mc.sql: No such file or directory

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Kelerion:

mysql -u root -p < ./mc.sql

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Kelerion:

and.. thats presumes your in the directory mc.sql is in

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Defold:

man, how do you do a find again

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Kelerion:

find ./ -name mc.sql

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Kelerion:

thats from the current dir

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Defold:

nothing

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Defold:

just moves me to next command prompt

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kormoc:

then try find / -name mc.sql

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Kelerion:

yup

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** Kelerion thinks kormoc was getting frustrated by my lame advice.. lol **

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Defold:

ok, telles me that it found it in /usr/local/mythtv/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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Kelerion:

ahh.. there you go

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kormoc:

heh, nah

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kormoc:

mysql -u root -p < /usr/local/mythtv/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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Kelerion:

mysql -u root -p < /usr/local/mythtv/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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kormoc:

:P

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** Kelerion laughs **

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Defold:

Sweet

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Defold:

that worked

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Kelerion:

I know nuffin about suse... just going by what I know from installing svn on ubuntu

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Kelerion:

there we go :)

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Defold:

ok, whats really the next steps... can the be done graphically, or is Myth not fully installed yet?

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Kelerion:

mythtv-setup

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Kelerion:

if it's in /usr/local/ am guessing you've done "make install"

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Defold:

did a qmake mythtv.pro

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Defold:

make

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Defold:

then make install

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Kelerion:

do "make install"

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Kelerion:

good

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Defold:

all from the /usr/local/mythtv/mythtv dir

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Kelerion:

so run the setup.. and your good to go.. hopefully :)

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Defold:

ok, now I'll just have to figure out the capture cards

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Kelerion:

yup.. the docs cover all that :)

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Defold:

Kel, do you have to setup the cards by doing a kernel compile, like I had to in Debian, or is there another way around it...

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Kelerion:

I don't know in suse.,, depends on if suse found the cards alright.. and on the card

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Defold:

damn, I keep getting a probe failed in Myth

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nixternal:

hey guys..i have a guy who has messaged me on AIM asking if I could help him install MythTV...I am one of the Ubuntu New User Network Mentors, but he has asked a question I am unfamiliar with..is there a way I can hand him over to one of you to help him out?

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LoneShadow:

ask him to join here ?

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nixternal:

trying now LoneShadow, he might be one of those scared of the big bad irc ;)

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LoneShadow:

oh he is going to be in trouble :P

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nixternal:

lol

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LoneShadow:

whats he asking about ?

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nixternal:

arg..he is using gaim...and im a kde user...anyone, really quick..help me help him get on ;)

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nixternal:

lol

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Sebulba02:

create an account, type irc

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Sebulba02:

type in all the fields, it probably defaults to freenode

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Sebulba02:

join #mythtv-users

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nixternal:

you don't /join in gaim?

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Sebulba02:

you can if you have a window open

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LoneShadow:

ask him to use bitchx :P

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nixternal:

lol

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LoneShadow:

he will love irc :D

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nixternal:

heh, bitchx is dead...all about the irssi ;)

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LoneShadow:

so I have heard

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Sebulba02:

well, as soon as bitchx2 comes around, if ever.

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Beirdo:

tell him to use xchat

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nixternal:

right now he is having a hard enough time with gaim

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LoneShadow:

xchat is nice on the X side

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nixternal:

i dont' wanna kill him first day on Ubuntu ;)

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LoneShadow:

dosnt ubuntu have xchat installed by default ?

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nixternal:

ok...he connected

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nixternal:

i think

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nixternal:

jcruzlara?

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Sebulba02:

looks like a gaim user

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nixternal:

lol

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Sebulba02:

buddies -> join a chat

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nixternal:

jcruzlara?

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Sebulba02:

still hasn't joined..

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nixternal:

there he is

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jcruzlara:

lol

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nixternal:

jcruzlara: these are the fine people that can help you get it installed..sorry i have no clue how to set it up, but im sticking around to watch though

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jcruzlara:

ok thanks

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jcruzlara:

so i just ask or do they know?

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LoneShadow:

we know

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LoneShadow:

we are mind readers :D

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jcruzlara:

lol ok well i got it installed i think

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** Sebulba02 .oO( fine people, huh? :p ) **

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** LoneShadow hands a bottle of X pills to jcruzlara, this will solve your problems for tonight :D **

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jcruzlara:

but one problem when i go to watch tv nothing happens

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LoneShadow:

tv turned on ? I keep forgetting sometimes

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** LoneShadow takes back the X pills, I need them more than you **

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jcruzlara:

? i dont use a tv

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Sebulba02:

is it just a black screen or all fuzz?

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jcruzlara:

it just a black screen for a couple of seconds and it it goes back the the main menu

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jcruzlara:

also when i put in mythtv the same thing happens so i use mythfrontend

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LoneShadow:

you just have one box for both backend and frontend ?

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jcruzlara:

one box

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Sebulba02:

and you ran through the mythtv setup where it adds your devices and whatnot?

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Sebulba02:

and what tuner?

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jcruzlara:

yes i did one thing though am i supposed to change the ip address? and i have a 500mce

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LoneShadow:

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186747

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LoneShadow:

mainly http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html

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LoneShadow:

this is what I did for getting things working on my ubuntu

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Sebulba02:

ouch, you gotta extract your firmware?

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nostar:

anyone using a bttv card? i plugged in my wintv card today, loaded bttv and nothing. tried loading tuner, and i get invalid module format. this is right from a stock fc5 kernel

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jcruzlara:

ok so should i just reinstall ubuntu and start there or how would u guys do it?

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Sebulba02:

I'd start at the top.

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jcruzlara:

also would that guide break glx/compiz?

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Sebulba02:

reinstall when it looks hopeless.

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** Sebulba02 shrugs **

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jcruzlara:

ok thanks ill try that be back when i finish

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Defold:

anyone here use a PVR 500MCE?

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LoneShadow:

jcruzlara: you dont have to reinstall ubuntu

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LoneShadow:

check the guides I posted

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Sebulba02:

LoneShadow: hense why I said, start at the top and reinstall when it looks hopeless :)

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Sebulba02:

(which shouldn't happen if the instructions are followed)

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LoneShadow:

its very rare to mess up the base OS in most cases, whether its linux or windows :)

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LoneShadow:

but most ppl tend to reinstall windows, dont see that happening on linux

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Sebulba02:

umm, everytime you install something you mess up windows, because it writes stuff to the registry.

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Anduin:

Yeah, I like the restore point linux puts on /etc.

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LoneShadow:

heh

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Sebulba02:

at least it's not all in one file

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LoneShadow:

usually badly written or not so well tested windows apps mess up the registry

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Sebulba02:

and most package managers are smart enough to remove stuff that's not used

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LoneShadow:

yea thats the magic word "most"

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LoneShadow:

same thing goes with windows apps, most do the right thing

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quink_:

hey.

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Sebulba02:

I'd say few do, not most.

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quink_:

wondering if anyone knows much about mysql here. i've had a fairly bad system failure, can still access most of my filesystem but lost a bit. is there a physical file i can grab that will be my mythtv database?

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Anduin:

quink_: In your mysql data directory, much easier to regularly back it up though.

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jepeltw:

qu0zl, try /var/lib/mysql/data, but it can vary depending on your distro and how you installed mysql

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Sebulba02:

that's for sure, a daily mysqldump is easier to restore from

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quink_:

Anduin, yeah....i did a backup before i went on vacation, but since i've been gone....its about 2 months old.

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quink_:

somehow my filesystem got fucked up...did fsck.reiserfs ....told me to do --rebuild-tree.....worked but its all in lost+found

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quink_:

at least it let me mount it and get data off it....and luckily i have my file system partitioned heavily.

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Anduin:

reiserfs messing up, unheard of

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quink_:

Anduin, well not sure what happened. had to reboot for a new kernel and it woulnd't omount the fs. going to check if hte drive is going bad but i don't htink so.

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jepeltw:

Anduin, was that genuine or sarcastic? I've messed up a reiserfs partition, but I did try resizing it

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Anduin:

jepeltw: I have only a single mode.

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quink_:

my problems started with me being silly. for unknown reasons i decided i was bored and would upgrade gcc to 3.4 from 3.3

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quink_:

so my nvidia drivers stopped working right nad X wouldn't load

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quink_:

so after doing a lot of stuff to try and make it work i thought i'd upgrade my kernel

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quink_:

and since there were some changes regarding dev fs i had toruble getting it to start up again

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quink_:

and just went downhill from there.

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jepeltw:

you use devfs?

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quink_:

i don't even know anymore.

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quink_:

just debating using my backups or just dump it all and completely install the OS from scratch.

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kormoc:

devfs went away as of 2.6.17 or so

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quink_:

yeah. i had a pre 2.6.17 kernel

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quink_:

2.6.12 or wahtever.

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quink_:

because my kernel wouldn't work with the latest ivtv drivers that my distro was offering.

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jcruzlara:

ok question ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-<kver> /usr/src/linux not found because it doesn't exits its name linux2.6.15 something something do i rename it or just leave it like that???

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jepeltw:

linux-source-ver is a debian thing, on other distros it's linux-ver; so just change the ln command

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jcruzlara:

nvm im dumb

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jcruzlara:

ok no i am stuck tar xvjf /usr/src/linux-source-*.tar.bz2 -C /usr/src/

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jcruzlara:

ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-<kver> /usr/src/linux

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jcruzlara:

ln -s /usr/src/linux /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build i did that and changed kver to 2.6.16-26–386 wich uname -r gave me but after that the tut saiys to cd /usr/src/linux but that doesn't exist

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LoneShadow:

what is the folder called under /usr/src ?

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LoneShadow:

root@mythtv:~# ls -l /usr/src/linux

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LoneShadow:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 28 Jun 27 03:02 /usr/src/linux -> /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15

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jcruzlara:

theres three folders two linux headers one 2.6.15–26 other 2.6.15-26–386 and a linux source2.6.15

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LoneShadow:

you used apt-get to get the sources ?

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jcruzlara:

yes

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LoneShadow:

use the sources folder not the headers

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jcruzlara:

ok

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LoneShadow:

ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15 /usr/src/linux

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jcruzlara:

thanks

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medwards:

sweet I am teh Xgl king.

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medwards:

Now to see how badly mythfe breaks..

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medwards:

lol.. crashed X

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kormoc:

If you disable the opengl timing, it might work

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medwards:

ah there's a NO_XV option..

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medwards:

:/

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fury:

hey all, i'm following some guides to set up my mythtv box, everything is going well except mythfrontend says "could not connect to the master backend server — is it running? ..." everythings on localhost, what am i doing wrong? ;)

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adante:

hows that backend server going

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fury:

seems to be going great

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alsoconfused:

fury: not sure, but i think that msg means that it can't talk to the database

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alsoconfused:

fury: take a peek at $HOME/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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gremgrem:

I have lirc installed and irw reveals that it is getting and processing the signals from my remote. I then created a lircrc file in .mythtv directory in my home directory, but myth still isn't recognizing my remote commands. Any ideas?

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gremgrem:

it seems mythfrontend just isn't seeing the remote at all... unless I'm mistaken

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gremgrem:

I take that back, if I run mythtv instead of mythfrontend it allows me to pause/play and use the bottom buttons on my remote, but not go out to GUIDE or anything

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gremgrem:

maybe my configuration is wrong because some buttons work, others dont

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: did you mention my name?

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jcruzlara:

whats this [17190805.516000] hdd: tray open

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jcruzlara:

[17190805.516000] end_request: I/O error, dev hdd, sector 1270852

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jcruzlara:

?

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jcruzlara:

anyone?? im getting a bunch of these when i do dmseg

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GiantPickle:

Hello all... I've recently set up a mythtv machine on gentoo. I have it working nicely. It records as it should, however, none of the jobs are being commercial flagged... but they are all in the queue to be flagged. I can't find a setting related to queued commercial flagging jobs. My googles haven't been fruitful. Can anyone suggest anything to try?

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medwards:

21:40 < medwards> lol.. crashed X

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medwards:

21:42 < kormoc> If you disable the opengl timing, it might work

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atomjack:

i'm trying to add an HD channel that's just started to come in unencrypted (DHD). I've added it to my lineup on zap2it, but when i run mythfilldatabase it doesnt add the channel to the database, and it actually removes it from the zap2it lineup...what gives?

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medwards:

kormoc: OpenGL vertical sync time WAS already disabled.

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atomjack:

nevermind, looks like it works now, weird

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GiantPickle:

Okay... lemmie try a better quesion, now that I've finally found something... Where is the "Automatically Flag Commercials" setting?

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scott_:

I think under general settings

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scott_:

Settings > General

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scott_:

try there, just my best guess though so do not yell at me if i'm wrong please i can't handle that

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GiantPickle:

scott_: yeah, I've tried there... can't find it there, but thanks anyway

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scott_:

ok

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scott_:

Settings > TV > General

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scott_:

one the second page

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GiantPickle:

ah... is that in the mythtv-setup ? or in the setup options from within the front end?

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scott_:

from within the frontend

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GiantPickle:

okay... setting that says "Commercial Flag New Recordings" ?

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GiantPickle:

that one refers to the "Auto-Commercial Flagging" setting as separate setting

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scott_:

yeah also has settings on what method to use

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scott_:

"Commercial Flag New Recordings" checked on my screen

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GiantPickle:

I've got all that set... but it seems to only be queuing up the jobs and not actually doing them

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word:

i ran nuvexport and it worked fine..i quit without doing anything..but it started up...then i went and i transcoded a video in mythtv to cut out the commercials...and now when i go to nuvexport i get this -

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word:

Loading MythTV recording info. 0% DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'mythconverg.recordedseek' doesn't exist at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/mythtv/recordings.pm line 125. Could not execute (SELECT MAX(mark) FROM recordedmarkup WHERE chanid=? AND starttime=?):

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word:

any ideas?

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GiantPickle:

if I run mythcommflag manually, it seems to work through the queued jobs fine

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GiantPickle:

so somewhere along the line... mythcommflag isn't being run automatically

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PoeticIntensity:

Hello all. I have a pretty simple question. I hope there an equally simple answer.

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PoeticIntensity:

Is there any way to turn mythtv into a media server WITHOUT the TV option?

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PoeticIntensity:

e.g. a DVD / music server?

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PoeticIntensity:

so.... like.... to turn off the "Watch TV" option?

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PoeticIntensity:

and everything associated with the "TV" portion of mythtv....?

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PoeticIntensity:

I'm gathering that the answer is no, but I thought I'd ask someone with a little more experience than me.

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PoeticIntensity:

any takers?

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opello:

you could probably write a theme for it that doesn't have the buttons you don't want?

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opello:

but i don't know how accurate that is

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PoeticIntensity:

interesting... I didn't think of that.

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PoeticIntensity:

I have no experience writing themes.....

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PoeticIntensity:

is a portion of them controlled by something like XML?

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dorel__:

PoeticIntensity: the menus are defined in the xml. just remove the entry for the tv and you're set.

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PoeticIntensity:

serious?

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dorel__:

yep.

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dorel__:

check on /usr/share/mythtv/

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PoeticIntensity:

might be a dumb question, but.... are the xml files in .mythtv (in home dir?)

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dorel__:

there's a mainmenu.xml or something like that.

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PoeticIntensity:

ah...

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PoeticIntensity:

checking.

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PoeticIntensity:

ROCK ON.

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PoeticIntensity:

now..... with this, can I still choose different skins?

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PoeticIntensity:

or are the xml files reloaded upon change?

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prologic:

Hey all, I keep getting:

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prologic:

Illegal division by zero at /usr/share/nuvexport/export/generic.pm line 293, <STDIN> line 13.

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prologic:

with nuvexport

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prologic:

ver 0.3

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PoeticIntensity:

dorel__: Thank you so much! Looks like it's working perfectly.

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jcruzlara:

ok is there n e one here still?

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doggkruse:

I'm back for more advice about digital cable

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doggkruse:

any takers?

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jcruzlara:

seems like no ones awake n e more

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doggkruse:

:(

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doggkruse:

its not that late

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PoeticIntensity:

what questions do you have about digital cable?

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jcruzlara:

i know and i almost had mythtv running

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doggkruse:

Well, specifically about how to get it into myth

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doggkruse:

Charter refuses to give me a box with firewire

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doggkruse:

:/

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TrickFinlay2:

jcruzlara: im looking at setting up a mythtv box in the next few days,any tips?

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doggkruse:

or even a second box for that matter (without a "second tv")

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jcruzlara:

mce is ur friend

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TrickFinlay2:

along with an asterisk system-for my dorm

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jcruzlara:

windows mce

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TrickFinlay2:

pffft

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jcruzlara:

lol

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TrickFinlay2:

i looking to learn linux in the process

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doggkruse:

PoeticIntensity, I was looking at maybe the pchd-5500

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doggkruse:

but I'm not sure if that will work with the cable system

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PoeticIntensity:

doggkruse: I have no idea what cable that is. Sorry.

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doggkruse:

would I have to register the card or sum such with charter?

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jcruzlara:

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186747 this was a good guide

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doggkruse:

:(

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jcruzlara:

wow why is there updates for ubuntu like every 5 minutes

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jcruzlara:

ok n e one thats still in here and would know or have an idea on how to fix this problem im having when i try to watch tv on mythtv the screen gets dark and then i see the nvidia logo and then the login menu plz n e one?

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doggkruse:

have you tried logging in?

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dorel__:

PoeticIntensity: np, have fun.

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PoeticIntensity:

dorel__: Myth is nothing BUT fun. ;-) Thanks again.

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sean33:

is there a video recording plug in for myth the TV recording is driving me nuts keeps chopping up the record into 30min blocks

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sean33:

i just tring to record from the composite one 30 min show and if i dont start it at exactly the right time it chops off the start or the end

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fury:

so here's an interesting question. i scheduled a recording (it's recording it right now) but it's not in my media library... can't i watch it while it's recording?

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Anduin:

fury: You can, you probably need to change your filter (hit m)

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fury:

hitting m from the main mythtv menu doesn't do anything

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Anduin:

fury: from the watch recordings screen

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fury:

aaah ic

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fury:

thx much

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fury:

slowly getting this all figured out

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fury:

:)

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sean33:

any clues as to how i may record from composite with out the dam program skedule chopping up the file ?

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Anduin:

sean33: I think there is a setting, what are you trying to do?

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sean33:

record a program from an old video tape to send to a friend

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Anduin:

sean33: ivtv?

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sean33:

yes i believe so

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Anduin:

sean33: ivtvctrl to switch inputs, cat /dev/video0 > goober.mpg (wait until done, Ctrl-C)

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sean33:

that seems rather umm crude ... no modules for recording in myth from a composite source ?

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Agrajag-:

i record from svideo sometimes. i just have that as a channel with it's own source/input, without any guide data

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Agrajag-:

(and do manual recording)

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sean33:

hmm i guess thats what im tring to do

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sean33:

i will have another go at setting that up

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sean33:

how do i use ivtvctrl to change inputs ?

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prologic:

Illegal division by zero at /usr/share/nuvexport/export/generic.pm line 293, <STDIN> line 13.

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prologic:

how come I keep getting that with nuvexport 0.3 ?

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cmdrk:

hey folks, im getting all static on my hauppauge 150, any ideas on how to start troubleshooting this? already checked physical connections

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LLyric:

cmdrk: you tuned it to a channel?

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prologic:

I have a pvr-150 which works perfectly here :)

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cmdrk:

i think i screwed something up in the setup. not sure what though. I'm grabbing my listings from DataDirect. I'm using us-cable (i have Time Warner). When I scan for channels, nothing happens after it scans. Should a list populate on that screen?

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cmdrk:

in mythtv-setup, that is

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gardengnome:

cmdrk: with zap2it, you dont have to scan for channels. and AFAIK, ivtv doesn't support VBI on those pvr 150 cards which is needed for the channel scanner.

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gardengnome:

test your card using ivtvctl/ivtv-tune and mplayer.

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cmdrk:

should i turn VBI off then?

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gardengnome:

i didn't know you could do that

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cmdrk:

well there is a thing in the mythtv-setup where you can choose between NSTC Closed Caption, some other options, and None

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cmdrk:

its called VBI Mode

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cmdrk:

does mplayer not work with fluxbox or something? i cant seem to get it to run

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gardengnome:

i don't think it matters, but if there really is no VBI support then you could set it to "none", i suppose

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Juski:

join #attack_of_the_noobs

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Merlin83b2:

Morning Juski :-)

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Saviq:

Hello all

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Saviq:

how are things?

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Hoxzer:

baad

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Hoxzer:

I was trying to get my mythbox to work as firewall

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Hoxzer:

but end up not getting crossover cable -> eth0 and eth1 -> adsl router -> internet connection work

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Hoxzer:

in the same time

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Hoxzer:

if otherone works otherone doesn't

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Hoxzer:

it is wierd, I should read more about route manual

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Saviq:

hmm... tried some ready scripts?

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Saviq:

shorewall?

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Saviq:

gShield?

[09:32:19]

Saviq:

hmm You have a adsl router?

[09:32:31]

Saviq:

where's the switch / hub?

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Saviq:

probably between You and the mythbox?

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Hoxzer:

ADSL router is between internet and mytbox

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Hoxzer:

and crossover cable goes to mythbox

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Hoxzer:

from my PC

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Hoxzer:

and I have tried firestarter

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Hoxzer:

I set network share on but ... as I cannot get both eth0 and eth1 work in the same time...

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Hoxzer:

I get no good from it

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Saviq:

let's go priv

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Hoxzer:

ok

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Hoxzer:

Saviq: check your priv

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Saviq:

hmm.. do You get my msgs?

[09:39:24]

Saviq:

I get Yours

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Hoxzer:

No, damn

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Hoxzer:

:D ... ok I cannot understand why thinks always get complicated when I'm doing something

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Saviq:

heh

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Saviq:

You should consider bridging the two eths

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Saviq:

if You have a router – there's no need setting up NAT on the myth box

[09:40:56]

Saviq:

http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Bridge.html

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Hoxzer:

Saviq: yeah, read something about bridge

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Saviq:

and then set up the firewall with ebtables instead of iptables

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Hoxzer:

Saviq: I'm not so pro with network thinks so if I bridge these two connection

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Hoxzer:

s

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Hoxzer:

should mythbox automatically broadcast ADSL connection?

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Saviq:

bridge makes a static connection between two interfaces

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Saviq:

so all traffic can go back and forth

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Saviq:

so it's like You'd plug Your pc in the router

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Saviq:

but the bridge can also do firewalling

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Saviq:

so that's the best way IMHO

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Hoxzer:

ok ...

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Juski:

morning Merlin83b :) my script is coming along nicely now

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Saviq:

hi Juski

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gardengnome:

heya Juski

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Hoxzer:

Saviq: ok, so it basically makes my box a router which has two ports?

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Merlin83b:

Which script was that?

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Hoxzer:

and trought it I can ping my ADSL router?

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Saviq:

no... actually it makes something like a switch

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Saviq:

yes

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Saviq:

unless You'd forbid it with ebtables

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Juski:

Merlin83b: the one to export dvb radio recordings to mp3 in a dir of your choosing :)

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Merlin83b:

Sounds lovely :-)

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Juski:

it will be – even checking for free space in /tmp & the destination dir

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Hoxzer:

Saviq: ... ok

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Saviq:

google for ethernet bridge – maybe this'll help

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Saviq:

Juski: thought You've given up? ;]

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Hoxzer:

Yeah, but they all say "it makes one big network out of multiple interfaces"

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Juski:

Saviq: nah

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Juski:

given up being a moderator yeah

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Saviq:

Hoxzer: well it does

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Hoxzer:

:D Yeah, but I dont understand it perfectly

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Hoxzer:

this is like junior high stuff

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Hoxzer:

It doesn't matter do you understand it, you only have to remember it

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Juski:

!trout Hoxzer wisdom

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** MythLogBot slaps Hoxzer with a wisdom trout on behalf of Juski... **

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Hoxzer:

Juski: remember always when you trout me I think you as father figure which is saying me that I have done something wrong

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cmdrk:

just did a complete reinstal and im still getting all static. hmm

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Saviq:

Hoxzer: if You have two different interfaces, You can't set them up to be in the same subnet and count that It'd get the packets through from one to another

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Hoxzer:

maybe

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Saviq:

when bridging – there's only one interface

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gardengnome:

cmdrk: maybe you're hitting this samsung tuner bug thingy?

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Saviq:

the bridge

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Hoxzer:

Saviq: I know

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Hoxzer:

So I setup bridge between these two connections

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Saviq:

it just has two sockets

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Saviq:

yes

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Saviq:

and then You should have internet on Your pc

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cmdrk:

possible. hmm

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Hoxzer:

and I should be able to ping my box trought crossover cable if I use bridge's ip

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Saviq:

running through myth box

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Saviq:

yep

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Hoxzer:

interesting

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Saviq:

isn't it :]

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Hoxzer:

last time I tried this on my box I lost ssh connection

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Hoxzer:

:D and I had to grab box out of living room

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Saviq:

yeah well... I have mine in the upper cupboard :D

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cmdrk:

gardengnome, i just tried tuning it to a specific channel and then running in mplayer. no dice =/

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Saviq:

headless, mouseless... just -less

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Hoxzer:

Saviq: mine also has only remote controller

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gardengnome:

cmdrk: no mythtv specific problem then :)'

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cmdrk:

indeed

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cmdrk:

wonder if its a timewarner problem

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gardengnome:

cmdrk: now, i think it's an issue with ivtv. but time warner does provide analogue tv, right?

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cmdrk:

yeah, thats what i have

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cmdrk:

maybe i need to change the frequency map?

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gardengnome:

*sigh*

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gardengnome:

if it doesn't work in mplayer using the ivtv utilks, it won't work in mythtv. :) experimenting with the frequency map could help, but i'd check dmesg first.

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cmdrk:

ok

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gardengnome:

or just put the relevant parts on www.pastebin.ca

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Saviq:

Hoxzer – and a TV at least ;)

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Saviq:

so plug in the keyboard and You're in

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Saviq:

I have to get mine down :]

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Hoxzer:

Yep

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Hoxzer:

BUt if I change to virtaul console

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cmdrk:

"tuner 1–0061: tuner type not set". hmm, i assume i messed something up along the way.

[10:00:56]

Hoxzer:

It just starts flickering

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Hoxzer:

so I cannot even use it

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gardengnome:

cmdrk: yep. it's suppose to automagically detect the correct tuner type, though. but maybe www.ivtvdriver.org has some information for you – you could also search their mailing lists.

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cmdrk:

alright, thanks

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gardengnome:

np, hope you get it fixed

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coffee88:

hi. anyone think they understand pci latency? my myth box seems to spend a lot of time with high io wait...

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Juski:

uhhhh black magic

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coffee88:

highly confusing, anyway! even comparing different boxes is confusing!

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coffee88:

http://pastebin.ca/135969 is comparing my P4 desktop with the epia mythbox settings....

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detonate:

soo...

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detonate:

who's alive?

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Saviq:

I'm not

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detonate:

gutted

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detonate:

sux2bu :P

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detonate:

you havn't happened to have used myth for an incar pc with touchscreen have you?

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detonate:

:)

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fatmatt:

anyone know a shortcut to switch from debian to ubuntu?

[10:25:32]

fatmatt:

something nice like changing sources.list and it being done magically

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detonate:

fatmatt: good question, I'd try upgrading to debian etch, then find the latest ubuntu sources and just dist-upgrade

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detonate:

don't go straight from sarge though

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Saviq:

yeah it can be painful

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Saviq:

and then do search for ubuntu meta-packages like ubuntu-desktop and such

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detonate:

apt-get install ubuntu* :P

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Saviq:

lol

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detonate:

Saviq: I'm guessing they'd flag them as required packages

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Saviq:

nope they don't

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detonate:

bugger

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Saviq:

well I think it's good

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fatmatt:

might be easiest to just start from scratch, biggest pain is all the work I have to do on getting myth up and running again with digital tuners and the config the way I like

[10:29:18]

Saviq:

I don't want to have all the apps installed that ubuntu thinks I should

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Saviq:

detonate: if You'd be able to use the touchscreen as some x-input... why not

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Saviq:

and all the other buttons :]

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Saviq:

or are there none?

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Saviq:

just on-screen menu?

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detonate:

Saviq: from quick readings it appears myth doesn't have mouse support (or very good support at least) and well thats effectively what a touch screen would appear as

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Saviq:

yep that's true...

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coffee88:

just use a remote!

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detonate:

(apparently it kinda works, just doesn't show a cursor/pointer, and doesn't have all the needed buttons)

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detonate:

coffee88: don't want a remote

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** coffee88 shrugs **

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detonate:

I have a touchscreen, why need a remote

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coffee88:

so the kids can ue it in the back?

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detonate:

heh... kids....

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detonate:

sif

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detonate:

:P

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Saviq:

You can show up the cursor in myth?

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Saviq:

just go into appearance menu and disable "hide cursor"

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detonate:

sweet, I guess the cursor isn't really needed

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detonate:

how much functionality do you have with themeing?

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detonate:

can you add extra buttons, move them around and stuff?

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Saviq:

yep

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Saviq:

sure

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detonate:

sweet, then I guess I just have to make my own theme with all the buttons I need

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Juski:

detonate: touchscreen support will be limited – not all the gui items can be clicked

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gardengnome:

i think there is gesture support....

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gardengnome:

not sure, though.

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Juski:

and the amount you can customise the menus is very limited IME

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Juski:

see here http://stealthboy.com/mythtv_theme_howto.html

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Juski:

oo and here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Theme_development_guide

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Juski:

and bear in mind that once the UI rewrite is finished, lots of stuff is likely to change

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detonate:

Juski: cheers

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Juski:

afternoon stuarta

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stuarta:

afternoon

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stuarta:

it's raining again

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Hoxzer:

NOt here <3

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Hoxzer:

I just love finland during summer time

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Hoxzer:

when it gets winter you cannot just be NOT hating it

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stuarta:

hey the uk managed a drought this summer :-P

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detonate:

right, time to rebboot and test some shiz out

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detonate:

cheers guys

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Hoxzer:

for some reason I found it funny when In school I heard this announce and then teacher said "over" in the end of it

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Juski:

I guess you had to be there

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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stuarta:

now I know why it's raining. First day of the test match

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Juski:

rain? looks like you need cooled down a bit: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/16/london_high/

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Hoxzer:

:D

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stuarta:

Juski: there's some good rants about the bbc weather on theregister :)

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Juski:

a great analysis of the recent 'plot'

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Juski:

too :)

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Hoxzer:

Is it normal if I dont look outside to see if it is good weather but I look for icons on my panels?

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Juski:

no. it's as far from normal as you can get. better have yourself committed

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Hoxzer:

:)

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DGnome:

Hey, does MythTV need extra configuration for a CAM to work or is it out of the box if the dvb driver has support for CI? Aand can I use one CAM for more than on tuner?

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DGnome:

s/on/one

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Juski:

DGnome: AFAIK it should just work if the driver has CI suport

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Juski:

as for whether or not more than one CAM will be needed – more than likely. no card sharing can take place

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DGnome:

okay, need multiple CAM:s then .. thanx :)

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Snikers:

anyone versed in getting Hauppage cards opperational?

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cplusplus2:

hi

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cplusplus2:

does someone have a Ati radeon all in wonder 9800 pro?

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Juski:

cplusplus2: I expect people running windows do. the tuner bits won't work in linux (probably won't ever work either)

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cplusplus2:

oh

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Juski:

for a list of tuners linux supports see www.linuxtv.org and the v4l wiki as well as the dvb wiki there

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cplusplus:

i search for a tv kart with hardware mp4 decoder

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Juski:

no such thing for linux

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cplusplus:

and windows?

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stuarta:

does anybody make hardware mp4 decoders? don't think so

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Juski:

I think he means mpeg4 assistance like the nvidia 'purevideo' bull

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stuarta:

maybe one day Beirdo's funky code will do that for us :)

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

we can always hope

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Beirdo:

right now I'm trying to port yuvdenoise into the GPU

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stuarta:

I reckon that's Phase2 of world domination...

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Beirdo:

Phase 3 is profit?

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Beirdo:

wow. Cg is actually pretty smart with it's optimizations

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stuarta:

since Phase2 != "???" then phase3="???" then phase4=profit

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Beirdo:

I did a "value -= threshold" followed by a value = step( 0.0, value )

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Beirdo:

and it correctly realized that I wanted 1.0 whenever value > threshold, and 0.0 otherwise

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Beirdo:

and used an opcode that does exactly that in one instruction

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stuarta:

nice.

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Beirdo:

I didn't want to code an if, just in case

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Beirdo:

but it did precisely what I wanted anyways :)

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stuarta:

if you manage mp4 decoding in Cg, Phase3 might actually be profit :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

have to sell out to nvidia?

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stuarta:

i reckon you can find a way that doesn't involve selling your soul

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Beirdo:

I guess :)

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stuarta:

think i'm gunna buy a book tonight about the intricasies of mpeg

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Beirdo:

cool :)

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Beirdo:

welcome to the jungle

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stuarta:

the one ivor recommended...

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Beirdo:

we'll have fun and games

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Beirdo:

what's the ISBN?

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stuarta:

0071424873

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Beirdo:

gracias

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Beirdo:

Digital Video Compression by Peter Symes

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Beirdo:

sounds like it might be useful

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stuarta:

apparently it's not so technical you get lost, but sufficiently to be useful.

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

I accept donations of useful books :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

anyways, back to writing Cg code

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stuarta:

bloody amazon has it 10quid cheaper than the bookstore.

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Beirdo:

figures

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Beirdo:

bulk buying and all

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stuarta:

i'm going to support the independant lot...

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Beirdo:

I'm sure they will appreciate it

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Beirdo:

GOD I hate the music the teens listen to here

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Beirdo:

I'm getting to be an old fart

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Beirdo:

reggaton. BLECH

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Beirdo:

I think I might even learn how to do a vertex program here :)

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Juski:

Peter Symes? was he the old geezer who used to guest present Tomorrow's World from his shed back in the day?

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Beirdo:

that could be. I just looked up the ISBN :)

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cplusplus:

does someone use vlc for tv streaming?

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Beirdo:

I'm sure *someone* does

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Juski:

cplusplus: yes. thanks for asking. it rocks!

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qu0zl:

i do cplusplus in work

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qu0zl:

not with mythtv though

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Juski:

well it rocks as much as 512kbit video can

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cplusplus:

Juski: do you have time to test it?

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Juski:

no I'm working

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cplusplus:

ok...maybe later if u are at home?

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Juski:

but I know it works just fine. I wrote the mythstreamtv bit of the wiki

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stuarta:

cplusplus: why don't *you* test it.

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cplusplus:

if its possible to stream with just 50kbyte/sec

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Juski:

should be, but the quality will suck

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cplusplus:

i will test it...to look at the quality!

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Juski:

actually I think 50KByte/sec is about what I get & it ain't too bad

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stuarta:

50Kb ~= 500Kbit

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Juski:

I set the video to 384kbits & the audio to 64kbits

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cplusplus:

what is mythstreamtv?

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Juski:

cplusplus: what is google? go look

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cplusplus:

p2p tv?

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stuarta:

/me starts polishing his cluebat

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** stuarta starts polishing his cluebat **

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cplusplus:

is there a binary of mythstreamtv?

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stuarta:

that's him -> http://www.thomsongrassvalley.com/about/tech/symes_peter/

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cplusplus:

mythstreamtv is only for linux?

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Juski:

nah that's not him

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Beirdo:

cplusplus, why would any mythtv stuff NOT be primarily if not only for Linux?

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Juski:

cplusplus: mythstreamtv is an extension for mythweb so by definition it's only for linux. but it can stream to windows machines. hell I bet it would even work on MACs

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Beirdo:

how about a Commodore 64?

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cplusplus:

how could i receive it on windows here?

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cplusplus:

juski

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Merlin83b:

cplusplus: Go and try it out.

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Merlin83b:

You'll anger the Juski and he'll swear never to come back to the channel again and leave for two days.

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Merlin83b:

;-)

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cplusplus:

how?

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cplusplus:

i have vlc installed

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Merlin83b:

Do you have MythTV installed?

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cplusplus:

no

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Merlin83b:

What's the name of this channel?

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cplusplus:

oh its a Personal Video Recorder project?

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cplusplus:

i thought its live p2p tv

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Merlin83b:

Go and read mythtv.org

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Beirdo:

and try reading /topic

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Beirdo:

how did you end up here not knowing what mythtv is?

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cplusplus:

-> It does not run on Windows.

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Beirdo:

is this channel listed somewhere as a general video channel?

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cplusplus:

i am only here to watch champeons league any time;)

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stuarta:

!trout cplusplus

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** MythLogBot slaps cplusplus with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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Juski:

Merlin83b: lol

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gardengnome:

!trout mighty cplusplus

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** MythLogBot slaps mighty with a cplusplus trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

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gardengnome:

narf.

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gardengnome:

never mind.

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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cplusplus:

hm

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Beirdo:

!trout gardengnome dumbass

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** MythLogBot slaps gardengnome with a dumbass trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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opello:

lol

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Merlin83b:

!trout Beirdo miniscule

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a miniscule trout on behalf of Merlin83b... **

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gardengnome:

hehe

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Beirdo:

ah, a fun time was had by all

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Beirdo:

now back to Cg fun

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Juski:

hrm my perl thingy needs to turn starttime & endtime into duration in seconds

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Merlin83b:

duration=endtime-starttime

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Merlin83b:

:-)

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Merlin83b:

Happy to help.

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Juski:

lol

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** Beirdo hands Juski the "smartass trout" **

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Juski:

more like endtimehours=~ s foobarregex

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Beirdo:

heh

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geemark:

is it possible to use the Hauppauge MediaMVP as an extender for MythTV?

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Juski:

yes

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geemark:

nice

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Juski:

see the shspvr forums & pages

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Kelerion:

"as an extender"? can tell whose come from mce-land :)

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geemark:

Kelerion: frontend then ;)

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geemark:

I just saw the name somewhere, and it stuck

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Juski:

someone is toying with the premise of turning an OpenWRT device into a backend (!!)

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Kelerion:

geemark.. lol.. yeah thats what ms mce boxes call for offspring :)

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Kelerion:

for=their

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geemark:

:)

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Kelerion:

openwrt is wireless though isn't it?

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Beirdo:

Juski, using a USB tuner?

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Beirdo:

I wish them luck fitting Qt into those little toys :)

[14:05:31]

geemark:

the MediaMVP cannot run MCE right?

[14:05:36]

Juski:

Beirdo: that was the diea

[14:05:41]

** Kelerion must be thinking of something else **

[14:05:41]

Juski:

geemark: right.

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Beirdo:

that would be cool

[14:05:51]

Beirdo:

Kelerion, no, you are correct

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Beirdo:

openwrt is an open Linux on Linksys WRT54G (and others)

[14:06:19]

Beirdo:

which is a wireless router

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geemark:

Juski: great, another argument in my persuation campaign against a MCE'er i know ;)

[14:06:23]

Kelerion:

ahh

[14:06:29]

Kelerion:

yup.. have heard of that

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Kelerion:

does it even have a usb port?

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Juski:

yup

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Beirdo:

some of them do

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Beirdo:

not the WRT54G itself though

[14:07:09]

Kelerion:

oh ok.. was just wondering why a router would have a usb port

[14:07:19]

Beirdo:

because some are also print servers :)

[14:07:23]

Kelerion:

ahhh

[14:07:27]

Kelerion:

that makes sense then.. lol

[14:07:29]

Juski:

they do print serving & file serving, some of em

[14:07:58]

Kelerion:

sounds like a neat little box then

[14:08:04]

Juski:

and with a hacked firmware, loads more

[14:08:09]

Beirdo:

they can be cool

[14:08:30]

Beirdo:

but I have doubts about ever fitting a Qt program into one. I wish em luck

[14:08:49]

Beirdo:

mythtv is hardly resource friendly

[14:08:55]

stuarta:

there's always the nslugs

[14:10:32]

stuarta:

and the freecom network mediaplayer's look interesting

[14:10:35]

Juski:

ahh that was it I think, not openwrt... that kinda thing

[14:12:00]

Kelerion:

bloody hell. .they're cheap

[14:12:46]

stuarta:

?

[14:12:47]

Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

now that makes more sense, to use a media player type thing, but what do I know?

[14:13:23]

stuarta:

no given that myth is slowly growing upnp support

[14:13:29]

stuarta:

s/no/now

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stuarta:

should in theory be able to pickup a box that finds movies over upnp

[14:16:47]

Juski:

over the tinernet, from people with open ports? can't wait for that :)

[14:17:23]

** Kelerion chuckles **

[14:17:35]

Juski:

judging by the amount of open mythweb servers out there...

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Beirdo:

muhahaha

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** Beirdo waits to see graphs of Juski's bandwidth usage **

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Kelerion:

it always amazes me when you find a config.inc file in google.. and they haven't protected it.. and it's got the mysql username and password in there..

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Noday:

i was wondering if anyone could help me with installation instructions. I diagnosed a problem i have with MySQL timing out with Mythtv-0

[14:42:33]

Noday:

mythtv-0.19, but i dont know how to install the fixes

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Juski:

Noday: if your distro packager has a 0.19-fixes package, get it

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Juski:

otherwise you'd be looking at grabbing the 0.19-fixes branch from svn.mythtv.org and building it yourself

[14:44:30]

Noday:

I'm using Ubuntu dapper.....and im a newb...I looked in the packager and didn't see anything mythtv related

[14:45:06]

Noday:

and tried grabbing the fixes myself from svn.mythtv.org, and think i got them, but when i ran "svn-update", i just said "skipped '.'"

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word:

theres a custom repository search for it

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Noday:

how would i do a custom repository search? is it built into the packager?

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Juski:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Ubuntu

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Juski:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Ubuntu

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Juski:

just to make sure you saw it

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Noday:

ah ok, so if i add that repository, it should show up in my packager?

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Juski:

after an apt-get update

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Noday:

ah ok, thanks

[14:54:48]

Noday:

one more question....though it may be impossible to answer. when i log into my main user (not mythtv), Ubuntu tells me there are a bunch of updates I could install. Looking over them, I'm afraid that installing them may break mythtv....some look like kernel updates, others are "linux headers"....should i go ahead and install them anyways? or hold off?

[14:57:33]

qu0zl:

Noday, btw, i had connect timeout problems with mythtv .18.1 and mysql5 i think it was

[14:57:43]

qu0zl:

adding , connect_timeout = 2592000

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qu0zl:

wait_timeout = 2592000

[14:57:43]

qu0zl:

to my /etc/mysql/my.cnf fixed it

[14:58:01]

qu0zl:

upgrading to the latest mythtv also would, as it reconnects itself if the connection times out

[14:58:27]

Noday:

hmmm, i do have the latest mythtv, and im still getting the errors

[14:58:39]

Juski:

0.19 is not the latest

[14:58:41]

qu0zl:

you have .19-fixes?

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Noday:

this is the classic "MySQL server has gone away" error, right?

[14:58:45]

Juski:

0.19-fixes is the latest

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Noday:

ah i see

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Noday:

ok, that's what i need to go install

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qu0zl:

yep, or add those two lines to your my.cnf. That's an easier fix

[14:58:58]

Juski:

latest STABLE anyway

[14:59:18]

Juski:

qu0zl: could you add that to the wiki?

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Noday:

i think i'll just go for the fixes....might as well fix anything else that has issues

[14:59:30]

qu0zl:

yeah, i'll try and find some place for it

[14:59:42]

qu0zl:

i might have found that on the wiki, or may have been a usenet group :)

[14:59:43]

Juski:

qu0zl: good man! :)

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Noday:

anyways, i'm going to go try that out now. thanks for your help!

[15:00:30]

qu0zl:

gl

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qu0zl:

Juski, is there a troubleshooting page on the wiki? Best place I've found so far is the FAQ, and it's more a sometimes-asked-question really

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Merlin83b:

Ah, a SAQ.

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qu0zl:

ahah, http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Troubleshooting

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Juski:

qu0zl: yeeeeah

[15:10:42]

Juski:

hmmm coffee time

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stuarta:

hmmm tea substitute

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Noday:

hmmmm.....so I'm trying to add that repository to sources.list and it's not letting me....I don't think i have the parameters correct

[15:15:37]

Noday:

i put "deb http://hamsta.net/mythtv/files/dapper./" at the end of my sources.list (and different variations, with the period and without), but when I run apt-get update, i keep getting an error on that line

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Snikers:

What do you all think, XFS, or JFS???

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Snikers:

trying to get some good opinions for my recording dir

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Snikers:

<--- Leaning toward XFS

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Juski:

oo tunder & lightening

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stuarta:

finally got the rain then?

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Juski:

aye. and how

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Juski:

the mancssoon :)

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stuarta:

only taken 4hrs to get there then

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Juski:

how far? over 300 miles? yikes that was fast

[15:29:26]

Juski:

assuming it's the same rain of course :-P

[15:35:26]

kormoc:

Snikers, between the two, I would use XFS, but myself, I use ext3, as I prefer very high stability over speed

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Juski:

I'xfs can be unreliable when it gets over-full

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Juski:

I've heard that ^^

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stuarta:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/europe/uk/radar/index.html

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Beirdo:

so don't let it get overfull

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Beirdo:

I haven't seen it get unreliable, just f'in slow

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Beirdo:

at 98% full or so

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** stuarta is quite happy with Reiserfs **

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stuarta:

even though some people don't recommend it

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Juski:

ymmv ;)

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kormoc:

stuarta, just don't update to a 2.6.17 or higher kernel :P

[15:38:33]

gardengnome:

stuarta: like the official mythtv documentation ;)

[15:38:34]

gardengnome:

heh

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stuarta:

kormoc: why? (i'm planning to do that sooon...)

[15:39:01]

Juski:

someone has shares in JFSCorp. I expect

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gardengnome:

Juski: nope.

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stuarta:

and i've already tested 2.6.18-rc4, albeit briefly

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Juski:

damn. I should stop buying

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gardengnome:

there was a bug that'd cause the load to skyrocket, thus cuasing corrupted recordings. it was something about mythtv causing high fragmentation of the FS.. it's all ine the lists

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kormoc:

stuarta, they went ahead and added in a new expernimental feature to try to speed it up more, but in short, when a reiser partition gets over a certain fragmentation threash-hold, and you try to write a large block to it, it will just bind the io forever seeking for a open chunk to store the block, and thus crashes the program.

[15:40:31]

kormoc:

stuarta, they know it exists, and even call it the mythtv bug, but they're not going to fix it anytime soon.

[15:40:37]

Juski:

sensible (not)

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stuarta:

hrm. I'll have to reconsider things when I rebuild my box then.

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Juski:

we have 88dBA rainfall here

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Juski:

:-/

[15:42:07]

Juski:

damn tin roof

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Beirdo:

oh, that's fun

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gardengnome:

kormoc: they're not gonna fix it? i thought i've seen a posting by hans reiser which said someone from namesys is working on it

[15:42:58]

kormoc:

stuarta, Yeah. Don't get me wrong. I like the idea of reiser, but until they leave the stable version... well... stable, I can't really recommend it to others. There was a *huge* thread on the linux kernel mailing list, kerneltrap.org has it too.

[15:43:19]

kormoc:

gardengnome, last I heard, he ran out of time and posted asking someone else to pick it up, and no one did afaik

[15:43:25]

stuarta:

kormoc: thanks. i'll have to read up on it.

[15:43:45]

gardengnome:

kormoc: great.

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gardengnome:

stuarta: i can give ya some urls.

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stuarta:

cheers

[15:44:55]

Juski:

any uk peeps know where I might pick up a cheap bluetooth usb dongle?

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Juski:

cheap, meaning less than 15GBP delivered

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Merlin83b:

Dabs, perhaps?

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Juski:

aye maybe

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stuarta:

dabs suck. try novatech.co.uk

[15:46:11]

Merlin83b:

scan.co.uk

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Merlin83b:

ebuyer

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Merlin83b:

All the usual places :-)

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Juski:

not scam.co.uk

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Merlin83b:

I've never bought from them.

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Juski:

I got a '10 in 1 card reader' from there a long time ago. all I ever used it with was CF.. which was hunky dory

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Merlin83b:

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/60061

[15:47:26]

Juski:

but recently I found out that its other slots had nothing behind them.. i.e. the card just went inside the box

[15:47:28]

gardengnome:

stuarta: wait a second, have troubling finding it in my emails :)

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Juski:

lol... Belkin Bluetooth USB Adapter 33ft/100m.. which is it? 33 feet or 100m?

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Beirdo:

Juski, it's a card piggy bank

[15:49:02]

Beirdo:

I think they meant 100ft/33m

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Beirdo:

heh

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Juski:

that's ebuyer for yer

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Beirdo:

or 100m/300ft

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Beirdo:

one er the other

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scopeuk:

ebuyer == check the specs elsewhere

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Juski:

they seem cheap til you go to the checkout too

[15:51:29]

Juski:

shipping.. kerching

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scopeuk:

2 quid shipping seams moderate for a gfx

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scopeuk:

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Juski:

yeah but you have to break a price point for that

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scopeuk:

it gets mroe expensive as the value goes up

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Juski:

did they change it recently?

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Juski:

hrm I'm better off buying locally

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ficusplanet:

Hey everyone. I'm running an Intel 855GM in SLED10 and XGL works great. However, whenever I wake from sleep and/or hibernate the screen is all distorted. Any way to fix that?

[15:55:17]

ficusplanet:

Sorry. Wrong channel.

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Juski:

stop using xgl cos it's still alpha?

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stuarta:

Am going to have to decide out of XFS & JFS now :(

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Beirdo:

flip a coin...

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Beirdo:

I use xfs, but YMMV

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gardengnome:

xfs had a nasty bug, too ;)

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stuarta:

JFS has it's own issues..

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Beirdo:

all file systems had/have bugs

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Juski:

/will have

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Juski:

:)

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Beirdo:

sorry, missed one :)

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scopeuk:

any thing that widely deployedand thet hevily used will fai lsomewhere for someone

[16:08:14]

scopeuk:

hell im quite sure fat has a few bugs

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stuarta:

hey i'm still running 2.6.15.6 since that a) doesn't crash in the radeon drm b) manages to activate both my dvb cards properly.

[16:08:28]

Beirdo:

fat IS a bug :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Juski:

better make sure anything I code doesn't go far then

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scopeuk:

stuarta by that logic i could jsut about get away with maby 2.2 or and early 2.4

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Beirdo:

so use 2.4

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Beirdo:

who's stopping you?

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stuarta:

scopeuk: ah, but my dvb cards didn't work properly till 2.6.15 :)

[16:09:32]

scopeuk:

the fact it whould require effort to go back to it

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Juski:

oh god please tell me they've not borked dvb in the kernel again...

[16:09:48]

scopeuk:

Juski its fine we wont TELL you

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stuarta:

3 steps forward, 2 back

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scopeuk:

2 steps forward 3 steps back ;-)

[16:10:30]

stuarta:

1 sideways for good measure

[16:10:39]

stuarta:

then clap your hands

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scopeuk:

gonna say were onto chcha slide now

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Juski:

the wha?

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stuarta:

slipperly slide that is....

[16:11:30]

stuarta:

Juski: very irritating song from a few years ago.

[16:11:41]

Juski:

oh right. that narrows it down some

[16:11:54]

Beirdo:

can't be as bad as the Macarena

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stuarta:

well, I just proved you can't build svn with 2.6.16 kernel headers.

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sjaakz0r:

hello people

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sjaakz0r:

:P

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** Juski shudders @ the memory or hearing the Macarena @ the LRL party **

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Juski:

s/or/of

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stuarta:

mmmm, it's on a par.

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sjaakz0r:

hello Juski

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sjaakz0r:

:P

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[jasper]:

someone stole my nick

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[jasper]:

:P

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[jasper]:

I have a question

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[jasper]:

is it normal for the quality of the tv-output through computer to be much worse then direct tv on a cable?

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evilDagmar:

nope

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Jack_Schidt:

yes, but only if you have shitty cards

[16:16:25]

Merlin83b:

What cable are you using to connect your computer to your TV?

[16:16:29]

[jasper]:

I have a hauppauge pvr 500

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[jasper]:

not that shitty right?

[16:16:39]

Jack_Schidt:

gefore2 tv out?

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evilDagmar:

Copy the recording to some other machine and watch it

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[jasper]:

s-video Merlin83b

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Jack_Schidt:

geforce2 I mean

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[jasper]:

not geforce2

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[jasper]:

it's a xfx 6800

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evilDagmar:

Figuring out which component is degrading the signal is something a turnip could figure out, if it had fingerst to type with.

[16:17:52]

Jack_Schidt:

default recording profile res. is pretty sucky, I think. 480x480 looky likey VHS

[16:18:13]

[jasper]:

I'll try to upgrade recording profile

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Jack_Schidt:

if your pvr500 has sumdung tuners that won't help either... til the ivtv fix makes it into a stable driver

[16:19:17]

[jasper]:

ok bitrate is upgraded

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[jasper]:

to 10000

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Jack_Schidt:

change the res.

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[jasper]:

laso done

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[jasper]:

highest possible

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Jack_Schidt:

bitrate is probably way too high but you can change that

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Jack_Schidt:

later

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evilDagmar:

Yes, it's always good to change settings willy nilly before looking for the source of the problem.

[16:20:07]

[jasper]:

huh

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[jasper]:

it won't run livetv now

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evilDagmar:

Yay no more degraded video quality!

[16:20:33]

[jasper]:

it complains about not being able to open a /home/recordings/dsaasdsdasdadasfile

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Jack_Schidt:

I found 480x480 unwatchable compared to 720x576

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evilDagmar:

Jack_Schidt: That's because your broadcasts are in PAL

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[jasper]:

I have the samsung tuners

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[jasper]:

so are mine evilDagmar

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[jasper]:

pal-g

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Jack_Schidt:

ahh the samsung tunery issue perhaps

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evilDagmar:

What samsung tuner issue?

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Jack_Schidt:

it's been fixed, so says the ivtv-devel list but it's not made it into stable drivers yet AFAIK

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Jack_Schidt:

evilDagmar: the issue where there was a register they didn't know they had to set so the picture sucked ass

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evilDagmar:

I'm sure that's very good, but what samsung tuner issue>?

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evilDagmar:

Okay

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evilDagmar:

The denoise setting thing

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Jack_Schidt:

no – it's something about the gain of the tuner itself

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Jack_Schidt:

not set, pictures are really bad without an off-the-scale level signal apparently. with it set, it's normal

[16:25:13]

Jack_Schidt:

that's what I read on the ivtv-devel list anyway

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evilDagmar:

Hmmm

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[jasper]:

hmm

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[jasper]:

I'm getting errors

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[jasper]:

ringbuf(/home/recordings/blablabla.mpg): Invalid file

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evilDagmar:

Undo the last change you made

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[jasper]:

when trying to watch livetv

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[jasper]:

erm

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[jasper]:

I can't imagine changing the resolution or bitrate gives that error?:

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evilDagmar:

Okay, your machine just randomly broke with no input from you at all.

[16:28:37]

Jack_Schidt:

you wazzed the bitrate way up to 10kbits/sec and you can't imagine that caused a problem

[16:28:48]

evilDagmar:

Guess you'll have to erase the hard drive and start over

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evilDagmar:

Let us know when you're done doing that

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[jasper]:

no I can't imagina changing the bitrate from 6 to 10 making mythtv break down..

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Jack_Schidt:

almost doubling it.. still can't imagine it...

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Jack_Schidt:

change it back & see what diff it makes then

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evilDagmar:

Perhaps there's a turnip in your neighborhood who's got a moment free to assist you

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[jasper]:

you talking about system performance Jack_Schidt ?

[16:31:52]

[jasper]:

I changed it back

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[jasper]:

stil aint working

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Jack_Schidt:

uh-oh spaghetti-o

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evilDagmar:

Run `hdparm -t /dev/hda` or whatever drive that's supposed to be on

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evilDagmar:

If you dont' get a number like 16MB/s or higher, you need to fix your kernel

[16:33:15]

evilDagmar:

...or buy better hardware

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[jasper]:

it's a new machine, so shouldn't be hardware..

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[jasper]:

chechking it now

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[jasper]:

60.61 mb/s

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evilDagmar:

Restart the backend and frontend then

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evilDagmar:

You definitely broke it when you changed the bitrate to that high number

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[jasper]:

I just did a full reboot, let's see what happends

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[jasper]:

it works after a reboot

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[jasper]:

k changing the res

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[jasper]:

makes it stop working

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[jasper]:

but when I change the resolution back it still doesn't work

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mkrufky:

one of the channels that i record, broadcasts their NON-prime time programming at lower resolution.... ie: 1920x1080i, but with a large black border on 4 sides ..... I would like to be able to crop the video before transcoding this video, but I have not found any information about setting up a crop job... does anybody have any advice to offer?

[16:39:25]

scopeuk:

user jobs whould probably do it but you'll have to be prety handy with cli invocation of mencoder or such like

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mkrufky:

yes, that would do it

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mkrufky:

i just am NOT quite as handy with mencoder as id like to be

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[jasper]:

hmm, it appears it only works after a reboot...and till you change something..after that I get http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/mythfrontend.log evilDagmar

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mkrufky:

i guess i'll have to just do some reading on it

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gardengnome:

i wonder if you can use them video filters with mythtranscode.

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scopeuk:

join the club

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mkrufky:

heh

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[jasper]:

2006-08–17 18:31:09.392 RingBuf(/home/recordings/1001_20060817183109.mpg): Invalid file (fd 14) when opening '/home/recordings/1001_20060817183109.mpg'. 12 retries remaining.

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mkrufky:

i wish they would just use the full screen on all broadcasts.... downsampling the video for broadcast just makes no sense to me

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[jasper]:

anyone ever seen that before?

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mkrufky:

sure maybe they're saving a dime or two

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mkrufky:

yes i have seen that

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mkrufky:

very likely that your network connection has been broken

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mkrufky:

...or the backend server went down

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evilDagmar:

heh

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[jasper]:

it doesn't report on anything like that mkrufky

[16:42:05]

[jasper]:

also nothing in mythbackend.log

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[jasper]:

how can I see if it's down?

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mkrufky:

see if mythweb is working

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[jasper]:

don't have mythweb setup yet

[16:42:29]

** mkrufky assums that you have mythweb set up **

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mkrufky:

set it up — it is *extremely* useful

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[jasper]:

mythtv-setup reports the backend is running

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[jasper]:

yes it's usefull if the rest all works mkrufky :P

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mkrufky:

no

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mkrufky:

it is also useful if the rest does NOT work

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mkrufky:

you can use mythweb to fix channel id's etc

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[jasper]:

yes, but I first need to fix this error..

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mkrufky:

IMHO, mythweb is the coolest thing made since mythtv itself ;-)

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mkrufky:

anyway, that doesnt help you... if mythtvsetup says the backend is running., it's probably telling the truth

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mkrufky:

there is another thing you can try though......

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mkrufky:

i used to see an error that looked like that when i first set up my myth network

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[jasper]:

it's all on the same box mkrufky

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[jasper]:

backend and the frontend

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mkrufky:

the problem was caused by the mysql server — all machines must have access

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mkrufky:

oh!

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mkrufky:

sounds fishy

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mkrufky:

well... i took a few guesses, sorry

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[jasper]:

damnit

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[jasper]:

nothing on google either

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mkrufky:

has this machine EVER worked?

[16:49:14]

mkrufky:

or is this a new issue?

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[jasper]:

it's a new box

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[jasper]:

so hasn't run before

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mkrufky:

ok

[16:50:25]

[jasper]:

but livetv just worked

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[jasper]:

but then when I try it again, it fails

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mkrufky:

ah

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mkrufky:

which hardware are you using?

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[jasper]:

pvr500

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mkrufky:

are both encoders set up?

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[jasper]:

yup

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mkrufky:

which kernel version are you running?

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[jasper]:

but it's complaining about that file not being valid

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[jasper]:

that's what I don't get

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[jasper]:

after a reboot

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[jasper]:

it works again :P

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[jasper]:

brb, food

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mkrufky:

when you come back, please tell me which kernel version you are running and which version of ivtv

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mkrufky:

also, which distro?

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[jasper]:

k

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mkrufky:

lol... if you're still here then tell me now

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mkrufky:

just do uname -r

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[jasper]:

ok back mkrufky

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[jasper]:

it's gentoo

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[jasper]:

ivtv -0.7 if I remember correctly

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[jasper]:

2.6.17-gentoo-r4

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mkrufky:

uname -r

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mkrufky:

ok

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mkrufky:

please do "dmesg | grep ivtv" and paste results to http://rafb.net

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[jasper]:

http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/ivtv.txt mkrufky

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mkrufky:

interesting..... is this the version of ivtv that is currently in portage?

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[jasper]:

hmm no it's the unmasked version

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mkrufky:

i bet you can upgrade to a newer ivtv 0.7.X .... probably they've addid the bugfixes by now

[17:13:50]

mkrufky:

ah... .that might explain it

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mkrufky:

the problem that you've describe — it sounds like the card is correctly capturing an mpeg stream, but doesnt work after you stop/start

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mkrufky:

i would be quicker to think that it is a driver bug than a mythtv bug

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mkrufky:

how long ago did you install this unmasked version?

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[jasper]:

few daysw

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[jasper]:

but didn't work on it in the meanwhile

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[jasper]:

but I don't see why mythtv gives a file error

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[jasper]:

instead of a hardware error

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mkrufky:

all mythtv knows is that the file doesnt work

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mkrufky:

mythtv does not know WHY the file doesnt work

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kormoc:

[jasper], and really now, gentoo masks versions for a reason, not out of sheer pleasure :P

[17:18:43]

evilDagmar:

kormoc: You mean because their users will blindly race to install unstable/devel versions of everything, and then fill their bug reports with verbal tapioca?

[17:18:49]

mkrufky:

if you check the mythbackend.log , does it seem as if it had recorded the program correctly

[17:19:12]

mkrufky:

kormoc: the ivtv update is indeed needed.... 0.6.X will not work correctly with a 2.6.17.X kernel

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kormoc:

evilDagmar, cause some of their users do that, aye :P

[17:19:21]

[jasper]:

kormoc I'm running amd64 on a intel cpu

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[jasper]:

that's why I need the unmasked version

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kormoc:

mkrufky, yeah, but he didn't really need to update his kernel

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mkrufky:

gentoo will catch up sooner or later and add it to portage

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mkrufky:

VERY true

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mkrufky:

hehehe....

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kormoc:

[jasper], ooh really now? I'm using EMT64 on 2.6.14 just fine

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[jasper]:

hmm

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[jasper]:

I'm trying to remember why I needed to update it

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mkrufky:

[jasper]: for arguments sake, could you try to install a 2.6.16.X kernel + ivtv 0.6.X

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kormoc:

[jasper], and intel's 64 bit extentions is called EMT64, not AMD64

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mkrufky:

there is nothing new in 2.6.17 that you could possible need that badly

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[jasper]:

erm kormoc yes..but we use the amd64 livecd

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mkrufky:

...and beware of fedora's 2.6.17.Y kernels ... they are actually 2.6.18-rc kernels that identify themselves as 2.6.17

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kormoc:

[jasper], aye, but honestly, saying it how you said it just seems... sad :P

[17:22:35]

[jasper]:

I don't think it's the starting and stopping that's giving the problem mkrufky

[17:22:47]

[jasper]:

it appears to be the resolution being higher giving the problem

[17:23:10]

[jasper]:

hmm you happen to remember how to set the device itself to a higher resolution?

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mkrufky:

ivtv doesnt implement VIDIO_S_FMT

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[jasper]:

hmm? I changed it before..on my old box

[17:24:11]

[jasper]:

with this tv-card

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mkrufky:

oops

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mkrufky:

i meant VIDIOC_S_FMT

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[jasper]:

hmm, any idea how I can see all the variables for the device?

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kormoc:

[jasper], ivtvctl

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Jasper|2:

wireless

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mkrufky:

sorry, i got very distracted

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mkrufky:

also, i may have been wrong when i said that ivtv doesnt implement VIDIOC_S_FMT. ... i am downloading the source right now to check

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[jasper]:

yo back again

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[jasper]:

wireless is getting unstable :P

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scopeuk:

wireless and unstable now there are two words regularyly put in a sentance

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fish_:

re

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fish_:

is a P3/866Mhz fast enought to do software encoding+decoding?

[18:36:48]

fish_:

with a fast codec

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Kelerion:

if you had the res down low.. possibly.. I think others have tried similar

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fish_:

i would like to have pal resolution...

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Kelerion:

ok..so could drop the rate

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Kelerion:

check out: http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-pvrhwdb.php

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fish_:

i'm thinking about buying such a system...

[18:40:00]

fish_:

in 12m the ebay auction is over ;)

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Kelerion:

48 pages of hardware setups

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fish_:

so i have i "think" fast ;)

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Kelerion:

would be better with hardware encoding

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Juski:

hrm.. estimating mp3 file sizes is harder than I thought. not just bitrate * seconds.. oh no

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fish_:

yep..

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Juski:

evening all

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kormoc:

Juski, esp with VBR? :P

[18:41:44]

Juski:

Kelerion: so you kept quiet about framegrabber support being dropped in 0.20? ;)

[18:42:00]

Kelerion:

didn't know it was... was off eating.. lol

[18:42:08]

Juski:

(it's not btw)

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kormoc:

eating for months?!?! :P

[18:42:21]

Kelerion:

am a big fella.. what can I say.. lol

[18:42:29]

Juski:

heheh

[18:43:03]

Juski:

damn it I'll just use some mad hacking rule of thumb to estimate the diskspace needed

[18:43:33]

fish_:

well.. at least it should be fast enought for mythbackend, right?

[18:43:51]

Kelerion:

yup.. would hope so

[18:44:08]

Juski:

depends on what you wanna do.. transcoding & commercial flagging can eat through CPU cycles

[18:44:31]

Kelerion:

yup

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Juski:

not to mention the amount of SQL queries commflagging entails

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Juski:

hrm I'm still coming out with a 360 second 192kbit mp3 being 88MB

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Juski:

which according to some online thing I found is wrong

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Kelerion:

sounds a bit big to me

[18:48:47]

jcruzlara:

anyone here that can help me?

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mkrufky:

dropping framegrabber support ?!?

[18:49:24]

RaYmAn-Bx:

usually mp3's are like 1mb/minute at 128kbit =P (With 10mb/min in original wave file)

[18:49:46]

mkrufky:

i noticed a strange phenomena — when distributing commflagg jobs across multiple backends, it doesnt find as many commercials as the original recording host does

[18:50:00]

jams:

wouldn't that be around 8.6MB

[18:50:05]

** Juski was lying earlier **

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Juski:

I WISH framegrabber support was being dropped :)

[18:50:32]

Juski:

for the record ^^^

[18:50:47]

Kelerion:

erm.. why? isn't dvb part of the same bttv drivers?

[18:51:03]

Juski:

Kelerion: dvb != framegrabbing ;)

[18:51:08]

mkrufky:

lol

[18:51:10]

Kelerion:

I *know* that.. lol

[18:51:17]

Kelerion:

but their part of the same drivers aren't they?

[18:51:22]

Juski:

not quite

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mkrufky:

and u got it backwards — dvb-bt8xx is a subset of dvb

[18:51:26]

mkrufky:

dvb is a superset of bttv

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Juski:

they're related-ish

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mkrufky:

bttv itself has separate parts

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mkrufky:

the bt878 chip is an analog framegrabber

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mkrufky:

and the manufacturers hacked the audio transport capabilities of the bt878 to handle an mpeg stream

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jcruzlara:

ok well ill just say what my problem is and if anybody knows how to fix it please tell me ok here it goes when i try watch tv some how i get logged out

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Juski:

ouch. so that's why whole mux recording might not work well on some DVB cards ;)

[18:54:37]

mkrufky:

u mean Full TS ?

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Juski:

jcruzlara: sounds like X is crashing

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jcruzlara:

how do i fix it??

[18:55:01]

Juski:

mkrufky: yeah. I expect not all cards are capable of dumping a full mux

[18:55:14]

mkrufky:

dvb-bt8xx are capable of it

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mkrufky:

any budget dvb card can do that

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mkrufky:

it is the cards that have filters that cannot do it

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mkrufky:

(the better ones)

[18:56:08]

jcruzlara:

juski what do you think is making X crash??

[18:56:27]

Juski:

jcruzlara: it's a proper can of worms but I'd start at the video card drivers if I were you.. if not installed, install em

[18:56:52]

Kelerion:

and check the X logs.. see if they give any clues

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jcruzlara:

ok where can i find the log

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Kelerion:

depends on your distro... /var/log/X.log or something

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Kelerion:

: /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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jcruzlara:

ok yea that was it

[18:59:42]

jcruzlara:

ok so i already installed the drivers but i guess something went wrong so can i just install them again or do i have to remove some stuff??

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Kelerion:

always best to try and get rid of it all first

[19:00:28]

jcruzlara:

ok

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jcruzlara:

thanks

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Kelerion:

I'm betting you have xvmc enabled or something... but I don't know anything about xvmc

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Juski:

that'd be my guess too

[19:02:25]

Juski:

ubuntu, by any chance?

[19:02:50]

Juski:

btw xvmc only works on nvidia vga cards

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Juski:

and some others, but NOT ATI

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mkrufky:

i think it works on OLD ati cards

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Juski:

news to me

[19:04:11]

Juski:

it might work on ATI if AMD open-source the drivers.. muhahahahaha

[19:04:25]

Juski:

actually, talk about a smart move...

[19:05:07]

mkrufky:

huh?

[19:05:11]

** mkrufky missing something **

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Kelerion:

is there a problem with xvmc on ubuntu? I tried it once and got the same crashing X thing too.. but I don't really *need* it so didn't bother with it

[19:05:24]

mkrufky:

i am pretty sure xvmc works on my radeon7500

[19:05:29]

mkrufky:

but i could be wrong about that

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jcruzlara:

ok where you guys talking about me when you said having something enabled on nvdia cards?

[19:05:34]

mkrufky:

i'll have to check when i get home

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Kelerion:

jcruzlara: yes.. xvmc

[19:05:54]

jcruzlara:

bkz i do have one

[19:06:08]

jcruzlara:

if i installed xgl would it have done that?

[19:06:09]

Juski:

there's a page all about xvmc crashing X on ubuntu

[19:06:15]

Juski:

bingo!

[19:06:20]

jcruzlara:

lol

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Kelerion:

jcruzlara: that's the one

[19:06:23]

Juski:

uninstall the heavy alpha PoS

[19:06:32]

Juski:

ricer candy

[19:06:39]

Kelerion:

hey.. I like xgl.. be nice.. lol

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jcruzlara:

aww i like xgl though

[19:06:59]

Juski:

if you want wobbly windows take acid

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jcruzlara:

lol

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Kelerion:

nothing wrong a bit of candy

[19:07:30]

Juski:

nah it's nice, but I think the hype over-eggs its usefulness

[19:07:53]

Kelerion:

show people an ubuntu box with xgl on it.. and they want it.. that can't be a bad thing for linux

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Snikers:

hey all, having trouble with my qmake locations

[19:08:08]

jcruzlara:

ok so how do i install the alpha thing? sorry im new to linux

[19:08:15]

Snikers:

I can do a $path, points right

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Juski:

jcruzlara: un-enable XGL

[19:08:49]

Snikers:

$QTDIR points right (finally)

[19:08:58]

Juski:

Snikers: ldconfig ?

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Snikers:

but when I do a which qmake, nothing

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Juski:

Snikers: qmake mythtv.pro appears to do nothing

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Kelerion:

hmm.. qt3-dev or something package

[19:09:33]

Juski:

it's not til you do _make_ that stuff happens

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Kelerion:

oh

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Snikers:

haven't gotten that far yet, still on step 4.3

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Juski:

in the terminal window anyway... qmake actually DOES do stuff but if it works you see no output

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Snikers:

says do not move on until which qmake gives back a /usr/lib/bin/qmake

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jcruzlara:

ok so all i should do is restart and then login and now put in thefuture in the terminal and mythtv will work rightz?

[19:11:01]

Juski:

anyway screw XGL.. it's lowfat I'm all excited about

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Kelerion:

oh yeah.. I love the look of that

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Kelerion:

Juski: did you see something similar on click a week or ago?

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Snikers:

any ideas :)

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Juski:

Kelerion: yup

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Kelerion:

it looks awesome.. and I've seen the lowfat demo too

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Juski:

I emailed a linky to Click about lowfat

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Kelerion:

oh excellent

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Snikers:

JUski, what should I do with ldconfig??

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podzap:

minimyth kicks ass

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Juski:

Snikers: if there is a howto for your distro about how to make mythtv from source, find it & read it. hopefully it'll explain stuff

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Juski:

podzap: yup

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jcruzlara:

ok so restart didn't work so i followed this guide to install it http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131267 could n e one tell me how to uninstall it or give me a link to a tut ??

[19:17:03]

podzap:

i finally got my new myth frontend and dvd fileserver working together

[19:17:16]

podzap:

remote control, everything.

[19:17:35]

podzap:

it rocks to watch movies without fucking with the discs and boxes, just browsing a huge list :-)

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Juski:

jcruzlara: I managed to uninstall it using that howto.. wasn't easy though

[19:18:04]

jcruzlara:

ok ill try it

[19:18:23]

jcruzlara:

i just want my tv back

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Snikers:

well, I looked, and finally went to the mythtv guides direct form the source

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Snikers:

just tried it again, and now its there

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Snikers:

weird

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Kelerion:

anyone know off the tops of their heads which player can run iso's and supports dvd menus? can xine?

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Snikers:

wonder what happened the first time

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podzap:

Kelerion: yeah, xine can

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Kelerion:

good good

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Kelerion:

thanks

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podzap:

Kelerion: i have all my dvds on my fileserver as isos

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podzap:

Kelerion: and i'm using xine to play them in the frontend, menus and all

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GreyFoxx:

Kelerion: I think the Internal playr (in SVN HEAD) can as well

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Kelerion:

kk.. that solves one problem I was thinking about anyways

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Kelerion:

oh

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Kelerion:

thats even better then

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GreyFoxx:

I don't personally have anyISO's of DVD's but I've seen it talked about

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podzap:

they are fairly easy to make

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podzap:

two steps

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GreyFoxx:

cat /dev/hdd > file.iso

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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Kelerion:

I'm wanting to rip my dvds and put them on the network.. but whenever I've tried it before I get a ton of files for each film.. so was thinking isos

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podzap:

nope, don't work

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podzap:

GreyFoxx: they are encrypted

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GreyFoxx:

podzap: Iuse that to make ISO's of DVD's all the time

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GreyFoxx:

podzap: Yeah,the content, not the reading of the disk

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podzap:

GreyFoxx: first, you have to unlock the disk with lsdvd

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podzap:

then you can dd it to a file

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GreyFoxx:

you would get an ISO ofthe encrypted content which myth will already read with libdvdcss

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Kelerion:

makes sense

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podzap:

GreyFoxx: no, you can't even read the disk unless you unlock it first

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GreyFoxx:

I admit though I've never attempted it on a DVD, mearly CD's

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** GreyFoxx tests it right now **

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podzap:

GreyFoxx: step 1, lsdvd, step 2 dd if=/dev/dvd of=foo.iso

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podzap:

lsdvd will unlock the dvd so that you can read the disk

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GreyFoxx:

Ijust happen to have my daughters DVD in the box in front of me, so I'm testing a simple cat on it now

[19:23:37]

GreyFoxx:

cat /dev/hdc > finding_nemo.iso

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Kelerion:

yeah yeah... daughters... not falling for it.. lol

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GreyFoxx:

Kelerion: I bought it for me, BUT she is the one who wants to watch it 3 times a day :)

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podzap:

note that if you have played the movie recently, it's unlocked in the drive's cache

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** Kelerion laughs **

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GreyFoxx:

podzap: I've just powered on the machine after swapping ram,so it hasn';t been played yet

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podzap:

even after lsdvd, then dd, of course the content is still encrypted... it's a perfect image.

[19:25:33]

GreyFoxx:

I personally have no problem with that, since my player can handle it anyway

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podzap:

that is my goal :-)

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podzap:

a network dvd server, with perfect copies

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** GreyFoxx taps his fingers while waiting for the copy to finish **

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Kelerion:

I had that under MCE for a bit.. worked a treat because it uses a *folder* for a film.. not individual files

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podzap:

GreyFoxx: normally, a dvd iso image takes about 17 minutes, and if the disk isn't unlocked, then it should fail fairly quickly.

[19:27:26]

GreyFoxx:

podzap: It's been going for several minutes so far

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GreyFoxx:

1.5G's in size and growing so far

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podzap:

i wonder if some drives refuse to access unlocked movies, and others can do it

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GreyFoxx:

I've been using cat to make images of CD's and floppies for years, but this is the first time I've done it on a DVD video

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podzap:

mine is an LG 4167B IIRC

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podzap:

GreyFoxx: yeah, but drives can't normally read a dvd when it's not first unlocked. it's different than a cd.

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GreyFoxx:

Model Number: AOPEN 16XDVD-ROM/AMH 20020328

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GreyFoxx:

That's the DVDrom in this particular machine

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podzap:

normally you get something like "Media error, bad sector" or such

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podzap:

doing lsdvd then dd again works fine

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GreyFoxx:

3.4G's without error, hopefully it'll finish and I can try playing it

[19:32:12]

Kelerion:

I'm betting it'll work :)

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podzap:

i'm telling you, i've imaged about 100 dvds in the past few weeks. it doesn't work without unlocking, at least not in all cases.

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GreyFoxx:

podzap: Sure, but as you yourself said, maybe it's something different depending on the DVD drive. 4.3G so far without anyhiccups

[19:34:25]

GreyFoxx:

if you're right your right, but I'm still gonna tryit myself :)

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podzap:

GreyFoxx: "some

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podzap:

DVD manufacturers would create their disks with intensionally bad sectors as

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podzap:

a kind of copy protection"

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Juski:

I managed to do it with dd once

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Juski:

the only time I've ever done it

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podzap:

doing lsdvd first removes the problem.

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Kelerion:

podzap: did you do lsdvd on all the rips just to be sure?

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Juski:

I might've used lsdvd

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: I've never heard of it before nor have it on my box . But I've never tried doing this outside of mythdvd whcih I only did once just to try it :)

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podzap:

Kelerion: you mean execute lsdvd on the iso image afterward to see if it's correct?

[19:36:15]

Kelerion:

do.. do your 1 step 2 step thing *every* time?

[19:36:24]

Kelerion:

anyways... off to watch a film... back later :)

[19:36:49]

podzap:

Kelerion: yes, i do it everytime now, since i found out how to succeed. my first attempts met with failure.

[19:37:44]

GreyFoxx:

man, 250G drives for $84CDN or 320 for $114. Looks like it's time for the new filesever

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GreyFoxx:

server

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podzap:

GreyFoxx: i built mine a few months ago with 6 x 250GB SATA disks

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podzap:

and they were cheap!

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GreyFoxx:

I've got a TB now and it's pretty much full

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podzap:

still, that only gives me 1.25TB after raid5

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GreyFoxx:

I was thinking of adding another TB but I might go bigger

[19:40:02]

podzap:

to put all my dvds online, i'd need 2.5TB at least

[19:40:20]

GreyFoxx:

7.4G's do far. Must be close to done

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Juski:

you have too many dvds. I don't think there are that many films worth owning

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GreyFoxx:

they only hold ...9G or so don't they ?

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podzap:

GreyFoxx: between 6–8gb usually

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podzap:

Juski: my wife is a dvd collector. it's her hobby.

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podzap:

my hobby is engineering technical shit around the house :-)

[19:42:28]

podzap:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2005-July/095379.html

[19:42:29]

GreyFoxx:

If I ever go about archiving all my DVD's I'll definately be just ripping the main movie to a high quality XVID. If I want the other stuff I'll walk to the DVD itself :)

[19:42:30]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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podzap:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2005 . . . /071408.html

[19:43:23]

GreyFoxx:

Ok, done.

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GreyFoxx:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv users 8219103232 2006-08–17 16:42 finding_nemo.iso

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jcruzlara:

omg i got it to work!! had to clear a gdm file or something ok so now mythtv has no sound but ubuntu does no mute i read somehwere i can't remeber somehitn about a sound server

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GreyFoxx:

woop, and myth plays it

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GreyFoxx:

podzap: Either it's the video or the dvd drive, but a simple cat worked in this case. But I'll try another machine later :)

[19:45:37]

Juski:

jcruzlara: so you did what the forum page said to do... and it fixed it. amazing

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jcruzlara:

um yes i know it was in the same one that told me how to install xgl

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jcruzlara:

hey i said i was new to linux im sorry

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podzap:

There is a hidden key on every encrypted CD, not available by read() system calls, and hence not available to dd, cp, mv etc

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podzap:

This key is obtained by driver ioctl(), and is used by the decryption software to authenticate the drive. Note that this key is separate from and different to the key that is used to encrypt the VOB files.

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podzap:

If you dd from the drive, you won't get this key, and hence the copied image will not work.

[19:47:06]

podzap:

so if your iso plays, then the dvd must have been unlocked somehow (drive was "authenticated")

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Juski:

jcruzlara: well done though – a lot of noobs can't even be bothered to do their own google searches round here :D

[19:48:34]

Juski:

jcruzlara: nothing wrong with being a noob btw... everyone was a noob once. though i sometimes wonder about Linus

[19:48:43]

jcruzlara:

i love google

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Juski:

<8 google. hate google spam (that means YOU Maplin !)

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jcruzlara:

ok so this tut saiys to go to system preferences then sound and uncheck enable sound server startup but i dont have that

[19:49:46]

jcruzlara:

i have enable software sound mixing and play system sounds wich one would it be?

[19:50:28]

jonK:

Anyone have any thoughts why a pvr-350 would lose sound. On a fresh boot, it will start recording with sound, and then something goes horribly wrong. If trying to playback at the exact moment of sound loss, it freezes playback.

[19:51:02]

jonK:

If you skip over, you can view the rest of the recording fine, with no sound, subsequent recordins from that card, no sound at all.

[19:51:19]

Juski:

jonK: sounds like a firmware issue. try a newer firmware

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jonK:

has most current

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Juski:

try an older one then

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jonK:

and the behaviour carried from old machine to new one

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Juski:

maybe the card is screwed. maybe the driver isn't working right... could be any number of things. best take it up with the ivtv guys IMHO

[19:52:22]

jonK:

I'm wondering whether the card may have gone bad

[19:52:24]

podzap:

i ordered a technotrend 2300 dvb card, which is the same thing as the hauppauge nexus, still waiting for it to arrive in the mail...

[19:52:40]

podzap:

anybody using the technotrend or nexus?

[19:52:44]

jonK:

I'm thinking of replacing with another 500

[19:55:04]

jonK:

becuase 6 tuners would be nifty

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hatredx:

would you ever USE 6 tuners?

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hatredx:

i had a hard time using up 4

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mkrufky:

i have 4 in my backend

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mkrufky:

after i finish working on this new driver, i'll put 2 more in

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jonK:

I've found over time I record a whole pile of stuff that (1) I'd never record with 4 tuners and (2) I still don't watch most of anyway.

[19:56:18]

hatredx:

2x250 and 1x500 for myself

[19:56:29]

jonK:

i mean never record without 4 tuners

[19:56:49]

jonK:

lots of stuff that would never make the cut, suddenly, is

[19:57:00]

mkrufky:

i usually just record any show that i (or any of my friends) have any kind of remote interest in

[19:57:05]

mkrufky:

if it's good, then i watch it

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mkrufky:

if it sucks, then i cancel the recording schedule

[19:57:23]

jonK:

me too, which often is just most primetime for all 4 major networks

[19:57:33]

mkrufky:

even though my box has 4 atsc tuners in it, it rarely uses more than 2 at a time

[19:57:39]

jonK:

with other stuff from tnt,usa,scifi etc thrown in

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mkrufky:

im going to set up a second backend with all analog mpeg encoders

[19:58:23]

mkrufky:

but i havent gotten around to it...... most of what i record is available in HD

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jonK:

I have an atsc tuner (hd3000) that appears to load correctly, but have not used it

[19:58:55]

jonK:

what's the current preferred card for hd anyway?

[19:59:08]

jonK:

(still needs hdtv first)

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mchou:

jonK: bah

[20:00:14]

jonK:

bah? What doest draweth though ire?

[20:00:33]

mchou:

jonK: just use a big (PC) monitor to tie you over for now :)

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mchou:

I can't believe it

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jonK:

it being?

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mchou:

In Silicon valley there are still ppl who want 10 yr old computers......

[20:03:05]

mchou:

I gave away two today

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mchou:

I was expecting to have them professionally recycled

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Juski:

eeew seems I can't use mythreplex for all my demuxing stuff

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jonK:

freecycled?

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mchou:

jonK: you got it :)

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Juski:

stuarta: you around? why would mythreplex think that a dvb radio recording is an MPEG1 file?

[20:08:21]

jonK:

sweet.

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mkrufky:

jonK: sorry was afk for a bit

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mkrufky:

jonK: hd3000 isnt a bad card

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Juski:

ahh.. I mean apart from the fact I'm passing the script dummy parameters.. lol

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mkrufky:

there are better ones now though

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mchou:

mkrufky: which one would you recommend for QAM and ATSC?

[20:10:29]

mkrufky:

do you also want analog support?

[20:10:37]

mkrufky:

...or only digital?

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mchou:

mkrufky: no, not important

[20:10:55]

mchou:

mkrufky: analog is not important, that is

[20:10:58]

mkrufky:

if you want digital-only, then the #1 best QAM256 card is the AirStar HD5000

[20:11:11]

mkrufky:

absolutely the best card on the market

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mchou:

mkrufky: really??

[20:11:14]

jonK:

but where are you getting a qam256 signal?

[20:11:22]

mkrufky:

i live in Brooklyn

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mchou:

jonK: cable

[20:11:38]

jonK:

but isn't int encrypted?

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mkrufky:

qam256 is used for atsc digital cable

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mkrufky:

some but not all is encrypted

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mkrufky:

brb

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jonK:

really? that sounds odd to me for some reason

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mchou:

jonK: what sounds odd?

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Snikers:

ok, back again with more NooB questions.... did the ./configure, and first lines that came back were: cat: /etc//etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf

[20:14:53]

Snikers:

and it said no such file or directory

[20:14:56]

jonK:

a dolphin trapped in a speedo

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jonK:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southf . . . me-headlines

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jonK:

and , that some channels would be encrypted while others would not

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mchou:

jonK: there are plenty of cable franchises that have not rolled out encryption yet

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Snikers:

normal, or is something screwed up?

[20:15:36]

mchou:

jonK: lol on the speedo

[20:15:51]

mchou:

jonK: where's the bikini? :)

[20:16:02]

laga:

Juski: you were so wrong. i'm running ivtv 0.8.0 on 2.6.15.

[20:16:13]

mkrufky:

jonK: FTA channels are broadcast on cable unenecypted

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Juski:

laga: heheh

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mchou:

mkrufky: what's your opinion on the Fusion?

[20:16:54]

Juski:

hrm looks like I need to try mplayer to get the audio out of this damn file

[20:17:35]

mchou:

mkrufky: I mean is the Fusion really that inferior to AirStar HD5000?

[20:17:51]

mkrufky:

mchou: depends on which fusion ur talking about?

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jonK:

really? can the atsc tuners grab this without going through a cable box?

[20:18:08]

mchou:

mkrufky: the cheaper one, non-gold

[20:18:16]

mkrufky:

it is not inferior — that is comparing apples and oranges

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mkrufky:

jonK: yes... then it would use 8VSB instead

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mkrufky:

mchou: FusionHDTV5 Lite is a very good device

[20:18:55]

mkrufky:

the AirStar5000 is better though, of course

[20:18:57]

mkrufky:

however

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mkrufky:

HD5000 does not have analog support

[20:19:05]

mchou:

mkrufky: not to mention cheaper than HD5K :)

[20:19:21]

mkrufky:

FusionHDTV5 Lite is cheaper, and supports both atsc AND analog

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jonK:

interesting — so I can get digital cable recorded wihout using a cable box. What's the preferred tuner card?

[20:19:29]

mkrufky:

HD5000 has pid filters

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mkrufky:

jonK: no — i misunderstood your question

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mkrufky:

jonK: VSB is used to record off the air

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mkrufky:

mchou: with the PID filters, this means that less data has to travel over the PCI bus to be mux'd in software

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mkrufky:

so, less strain on the CPU

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mkrufky:

this is why i like HD5000 so much

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mchou:

mkrufky: yeah, I'm familiar with PID filtering

[20:20:46]

mkrufky:

of course, you can do more with the FusionHDTV cards, because they are hybrid

[20:20:48]

mkrufky:

also........

[20:20:52]

mkrufky:

they do not advertise this:

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mchou:

svideo?

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mkrufky:

the FusionHDTV5 Lite has svideo/composite in

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mkrufky:

lol

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mchou:

hehe

[20:21:08]

mkrufky:

how did u know

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mchou:

cause it's obvious from the pics

[20:21:23]

mkrufky:

DViCO removes the svideo/composite support from their windows driver

[20:21:28]

mkrufky:

they want you to buy the Gold instead

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mkrufky:

howevere

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mkrufky:

*I*included the support when i added support for the FusionHDTV5 Lite to 2.6.15

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mchou:

hehe

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mkrufky:

ya i think it is silly to let software limit the capabilities like that

[20:22:18]

mchou:

mkrufky: so you have to drill the back plate, correct?

[20:22:23]

mkrufky:

no

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mkrufky:

i just removed the backplate alltogether

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mchou:

lol

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mkrufky:

dont drill it — u'll hit something :-P

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mchou:

mkrufky: you cant remove the backplate prior to drilling? :)

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mkrufky:

lol

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** mkrufky wasnt thinking **

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jonK:

so still no way to take the digital channels directly from the wall

[20:24:38]

mchou:

jonK: yes there is

[20:24:49]

mchou:

jonK: for clear QAM

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stuarta:

Juski: i'm back

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mchou:

jonK: mostly local stations :)

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mchou:

but in my case DiscHD and ESPNHD

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jonK:

any way to tell which channels in a particular locale?

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mchou:

jonK: avsform

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mchou:

avsforum*

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mchou:

talk to ppl already in the know in your local

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mchou:

locale*

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mkrufky:

jonK: it comes directly from the wall

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mchou:

jonK: just wait a few more years when the have cablecard tuners released :)

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mkrufky:

jonK: you do NOT go thru the cable box

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Juski:

stuarta: wb :)

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Juski:

stuarta: reckon it could be that the file needs to be fixed through mpeg2:mpeg2 transcode first?

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mchou:

quite frankly I'd rather go thru the cable box and record firewire

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jonK:

now im confused

[20:28:05]

mchou:

no added expense for HDTV card

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stuarta:

Juski: dunno. show me the output of ffmpeg -i file.mpg

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mchou:

firewire cards are cheap, $15

[20:28:54]

Juski:

stuarta: that gets it right. damn

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mchou:

and I actually get more channels thru firewire

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mchou:

than thru clear QAM

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stuarta:

If I were you i'd try using ffmpeg to split out just the audio....

[20:29:26]

mkrufky:

hauppauge had a cablecard tuner

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mkrufky:

but they pulled it :-(

[20:29:39]

mchou:

mkrufky: when?

[20:29:46]

mkrufky:

i think 2 years ago

[20:29:59]

mchou:

mkrufky: couldnt pass cablelabs certs?

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Juski:

stuarta: mythreplex --demux worked on some other files the other day though..

[20:30:21]

Juski:

anyway this'll save me deleting a demuxed video ps :)

[20:31:04]

mchou:

lord, some ppl are so CLUELESS.

[20:31:43]

mchou:

I tell this chick I gave the systems away already and she writes back and ask me if they are still available

[20:31:52]

mchou:

wtf???

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jonK:

just be grateful about which side of the exchange you've found yourself

[20:33:45]

mchou:

jonK: lol. how come chicks dont say "let's get dirty again?" :)

[20:35:06]

jonK:

but, they do.

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Juski:

stuarta: cool... it's working so far :)

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Juski:

so stuarta: so I can conclude that dvd burning of dvb radio recordings won't work too well in mytharchive then ;)

[20:37:39]

stuarta:

might need work (TM)

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Juski:

heh

[20:38:11]

Juski:

I'm guessing the dummy video stream isn't enough for it to work on

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Juski:

though the clever bit is reconstructing the MHEG data for the channel during playback. that I _like_ :)

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jonK:

at least in all the "documentaries" i've seen

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Juski:

depends how you do it the 1st time I guess ;)

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jcruzlara:

ok im back and with a new error i did search but i didn't get an answer Error opening audio device (/home/mythtv/mythtv/recordings), the error was: Is a directory

[20:55:09]

jcruzlara:

im guessing its trying to find /dev/dsp but its looking in a totaly differrent place how would i tell it that its in /dev/dsp??

[20:56:22]

remedy:

strace it?

[20:56:29]

remedy:

oh

[20:56:36]

remedy:

misunderstood wot u were sayin

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remedy:

re-read it ;]

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Anduin:

jcruzlara: In your audio settings.

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Juski:

hrm. just one more thing to do then I can crack on with the id3tagging

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Snikers:

anyone able to tell me what actual happens when you do a qmake mythtv.pro?

[21:04:40]

laga:

i believe qmake generates Makefiles then

[21:04:46]

laga:

not sure, though

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lucas123:

snikers: it generates makefiles.

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Snikers:

ok..... why does gentoo only need to do a ./configure — make — make install, where Suse needs ./configure — qmake mythtv.pro — make — make install??

[21:08:10]

Juski:

muhahahahah... Output #0, mp3, to '/myth/BBC-7_Doctor_Who_Shada.mp3':

[21:08:13]

laga:

*shrug* it doesn't need that on debian, either.

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laga:

Snikers: who says you need to do a qmake mythtv.pro on suse?

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stuarta:

Juski: I couldn't be arsed recording those.

[21:08:44]

Juski:

stuarta: just tests

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stuarta:

better than nothing...

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Juski:

input to the script will be like dvbradioexport %chanid% %starttime% %endtime% exportdir bitrate

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Snikers:

well, I have seen some guides, and then its mentioned on the mythtv guides

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Snikers:

thats why I was wondering why its used, and if you really need to use it.... or does it help with myth finding stuff, i.e. themes, etc

[21:11:02]

Juski:

now I can take the whole temp directory crap out of it since there'll be no intermediate stage :)

[21:11:19]

stuarta:

Juski: you may just need to run ffmpeg twice. Once to find the stream, once to pull it out.

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Juski:

stuarta: twice? I don't geddit

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stuarta:

or did it just pick the right one itself?

[21:12:04]

Juski:

seemed to do

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evilDagmar:

Bleh. I think tomorrow night I'll look into figuring out the db schema MythMusic is using

[21:12:24]

evilDagmar:

There's got to be a better way to construct freaking playlists than this

[21:12:28]

Juski:

evilDagmar: ooo ch ch ch ch ch changes

[21:12:33]

stuarta:

i'm thinking in term of 1 vid, 2 audio stream, you need to map the input file to the output file...

[21:12:43]

evilDagmar:

Juski: has that already been fixed/upgraded in SVN or something?

[21:12:51]

stuarta:

obviously not when theres 1 audio, multiple data streams

[21:12:53]

Juski:

stuarta: AFAIK there's only one audio stream :)

[21:13:09]

Juski:

ffmpeg -i reports only one

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laga:

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evilDagmar:

laga: I'd rather just make some support scripts to *fix* mythmusic

[21:13:59]

evilDagmar:

I also gotta dig around in there and find the extra settings for Synaesthesia as well

[21:14:13]

evilDagmar:

I know it can pick up image files from somewhere, but apparnetly it's not doing so by default

[21:14:20]

evilDagmar:

I have some twisted ones for it to use

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evilDagmar:

I got high praise on one set a few nights ago

[21:15:23]

evilDagmar:

I'd set up http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/8659796/ on a housemate's ReplayTV box, and then he sold it to someone, and that someone complained to me a few nights ago that they were "disturbing" to see when he wakes up after falling asleep in front of the TV

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Juski:

whoah! that didn't work too well.. shit. nasty noise. ah well. back to it tomorrow night

[21:16:34]

evilDagmar:

It took me 15 minutes to stop giggling about that

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Juski:

ooo fixed!

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Juski:

id3tag tomorrow

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Juski:

g'night all

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stuarta:

night

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evilDagmar:

w00t

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Snikers:

anyone use a PVR500??

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RaYmAn-Bx:

yep.

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Snikers:

do you have to use the ivtv drivers?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

yep

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Snikers:

hmm, ok... what distro do you use?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

gentoo

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mkrufky:

Snikers: what distro do YOU use?

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Snikers:

Suse

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Snikers:

;)

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mkrufky:

and what problem are you having with ivtv?

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Snikers:

well, I haven't gotten myth all the way setup yet, I was tryign to get info on the 500

[21:30:39]

Snikers:

thats going to be my first test when the box gets done

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evilDagmar:

Snikers: What do you need to know?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

assuming it works with your motherboard/bios it works great :)

[21:30:47]

Snikers:

I'm hoping it goes without a hitch

[21:30:55]

Snikers:

ohh, great

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evilDagmar:

What kind of motherboard do you have?

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Snikers:

MSI K8N-Neo4 Platinum

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evilDagmar:

RaYmAn-Bx: What, you bought an ASUS A8V as well?

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Snikers:

and what do you mean by working with the bios RaYmAn-Bx??

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Snikers:

does the card have conflicts?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

evilDagmar: nope :) Aopen I915Gm-M (Pentium M mobo)..tried it on a Via Epia SP-13000 first but eventually gave up

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evilDagmar:

RaYmAn-Bx: Wouldn't boot up at all or was it just unstable?

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mkrufky:

the pvr500 shouldnt have any problem with your bios dont worry

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RaYmAn-Bx:

evilDagmar: didn't give any video data at all

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evilDagmar:

Snikers: Well, not really. Your board should be okay.

[21:32:56]

evilDagmar:

There's a few BIOSes around that aren't real damn bright and get confused when they see the extra PCI bridge in the PVR-500

[21:33:17]

evilDagmar:

RaYmAn-Bx: Like, no video output or just that the tuner woulnd't work?

[21:33:23]

Snikers:

ahh, ok

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kormoc:

evilDagmar, there's been quite a few people with issues with via chipsets and pvr 150/500s, so it's not just limited to that asus board you had :P

[21:33:42]

evilDagmar:

kormoc: Well, most of those that I've seen were just a matter of severe instability.

[21:33:47]

Snikers:

well, I got a nVidia chipset.... don't like running VIA

[21:34:17]

RaYmAn-Bx:

evilDagmar: turned worked fine..it tuned, even said it found channels, but zero data on any reads from the device (i.e. cat as well as any tv viewing program)

[21:34:17]

evilDagmar:

I hate to be stuck with just this one option but I can at least recommend the ASRock 939dual-SATA2 as being 100% stable

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evilDagmar:

RaYmAn-Bx: That is pretty bizarrre

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RaYmAn-Bx:

yeah..it worked perfectly when I got the new board

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Snikers:

what kernel ver yo running RaYmAn-Bx??

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evilDagmar:

RaYmAn-Bx: yeah, I guess that pretty much locks down all the other possibilities if you replaced the mainboard and it worked with no software chanegs

[21:35:20]

Snikers:

I believe Suse is up to ver 2.6.15....... think I should bump-up to 2.6.17?

[21:35:20]

RaYmAn-Bx:

evilDagmar: I tried it in windows as well..same thing

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evilDagmar:

OUch

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Snikers: running 2.6.16 because most of my hardware isn't supported in earlier kernels

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evilDagmar:

I can now say I've run the PVR-500 on two different boards of that model I mentioned. no problems with either.

[21:36:11]

Snikers:

MB related HW?? or add-on boards?

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evilDagmar:

I just figured out last night (I am fucking CURSED this month for hardware) the Antec 350W PSU I was so desperate I bought from CompUSA is in some way defective

[21:36:27]

RaYmAn-Bx:

Snikers: on-board stuff, LAN for one

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Snikers:

ahh, gotcha

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evilDagmar:

Two of the five boards I have in the house it would *not* powerup and 350W shoudl damn well be enough power to light up a board with nothing but a video card, CPU, and RAM in it

[21:37:17]

Snikers:

I'm pretty happy that Suse actually detects my USB-Wireless LAN ROTB

[21:37:26]

evilDagmar:

I gotta find a PSU tester and see what's gone wrong with it. I might be able to fix it. It's definitely _quieter_ than the one I'm currently using

[21:37:29]

Snikers:

no using NDISWrapper, nuttin'

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Snikers:

the only distro I have used so far that actually detects it

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Snikers:

tried ver 10.1, blank, but ver 10.0, and boom, it shows right up

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evilDagmar:

Tihnking about putting up a webpage with nothing but hardware recommendations on it, but I'm sure it'll get me crazy emails

[21:38:44]

evilDagmar:

"You should add this (incredibly obscure manuf.) hard drive cooler to your list cuz I have one" blah blah blah

[21:38:54]

RaYmAn-Bx:

don't include an email then =P

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kormoc:

evilDagmar, just toss it into the wiki

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Snikers:

anyone ever use the pcHDTV3000??

[21:39:06]

evilDagmar:

The HD cooler I got yesterday definitely is loud as hell

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evilDagmar:

I need to mailorder another one like the first one I have

[21:39:52]

evilDagmar:

Things like "Recommendation #1: Don't buy anything that is "store brand" or priced like it is from a brick and mortar store. You will be sorry you did."

[21:40:07]

evilDagmar:

...a good way to get angry letters from salesdrone types

[21:40:37]

evilDagmar:

CompUSA branded fans and their "not really branded" "MadDog" cooling products are kinda crap

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evilDagmar:

I have a failure rate on them that's like 3x the Vantec stuff I usually get

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evilDagmar:

...and they're freakin' noisy

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evilDagmar:

kormoc: I would put it in the wiki, but I have been having trouble thinking of how to word it without making it look like "official" recommendations, or winding up making a monstrous chart

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evilDagmar:

hence, I'm thinking about just sticking it up on my webspace at the office and linking to it from the Wiki

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evilDagmar:

I'll need to talk to someone in another dept about setting up a username alias for it tho.

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evilDagmar:

I don't want my "real" name in the URL.

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evilDagmar:

...mainly because no one will have any idea who the hell that is.

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mkrufky:

nice talking to you guys.... ttyl

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Snikers:

every time I change the video device form 0 to 1, when I finish, it reverts back to 0.... any ideas why?

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Snikers:

anyone around?

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stuarta:

i'm not

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Sebulba02:

0 > 1 :)

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kormoc:

Snikers, nope, we're all afk, all 154 of us

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Sebulba02:

153, does ChanServ really have to count?

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kormoc:

Sure, it's the only thing with ops in here currently :P

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Sebulba02:

heh

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Sebulba02:

I'd like to see it help someone with mythtv :p

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Snikers:

hmm :) well anyone thats not around have any exp with installing the IVTV drivers for the PVR500MCE card?

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Snikers:

for some reason my card is not being recognized by Myth, yet it shows up as 2 150's in YAST

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** Sebulba02 has a plextor card & no exp with those. **

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stuarta:

Snikers: do you have the appropriate /dev/dvb entries?

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stuarta:

or whatever 150's turn up as.

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laga:

stuarta: 150 = analogue tv

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Snikers:

for the PVR500??

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stuarta:

laga: what /dev/ entries should they have?

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Snikers:

its not a dvb device, its an anologue device

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laga:

stuarta: /dev/video0 & /dev/video1

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Snikers:

how can I check that?

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stuarta:

ah.

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stuarta:

ls ?

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Snikers:

lspci??, lsdev??

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stuarta:

ls

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** stuarta sighs **

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Sebulba02:

. .. junk lost+found

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Cardoe:

howdy

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Sebulba02:

yo

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Snikers:

ok, do a ls in the /dev dir?

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Sebulba02:

Sure..

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Snikers:

ok, video shows up, so does dvb

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Snikers:

the dvb is for my pchdtv3000 and my skystar2

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Snikers:

those 2 actually show up in MYTH-setup

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Cardoe:

kormoc: around?

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kormoc:

hihi

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kormoc:

sure am

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cmdrk:

hey folks. im getting issues with reception on my hauppauge 150 on both windows and linux. IVTV/mplayer is giving me all static, and windows just gives me a blank screen. Channel scanning works and detects all of the channels, but I don't get any reception. Any ideas on what it could be? Signal strength maybe?

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Cardoe:

kormoc: Since I've been so MIA lately.. know anything about the .20 or .19.1 release timeframes?

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kormoc:

not really

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stuarta:

few weeks

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janneg:

Cardoe: for 0.20, no .19.1

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Cardoe:

my new place uses some proprietary cable company

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Cardoe:

who's listings are ENTIRELY wrong on Zap2It

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Cardoe:

and the listings Zap2It has... 80% has no channel data

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evilDagmar:

Cardoe: I'm hearing enough good things about 0.19-fixes from SVN that I'm probably going to switch to using that shortly

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Ryushin:

So, I've been playing with mytharchive. And it seems from a e-mail message that I read, that it can't re-encode mpeg4 nuv files that have been transcoded by myth because ffmpeg doesn't understand the mythtv nuv file format.

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tjcarter:

dammit, this is always the hardest thing..

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Cardoe:

evilDagmar: Gentoo ebuilds use that

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tjcarter:

http://warped.bluecherry.net/~knghtbrd/newbox.html

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tjcarter:

Recent boxes were yumi and miya..

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Ryushin:

I thought that the transcoded files were a non proprietary format.

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atomjack:

anyone have experience getting lirc working with a zapway IR receiver?

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kormoc:

Ryushin, mythtranscode can output mpeg4 and rtjpeg files, but still in .nuv containers. To get out of .nuv, nuvexport is the tool to use

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overridex:

if run in a window, is there anyway to resize mythtv on the fly yet (like, just by stretching the window)

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tjcarter:

what's wrong with using an avi container, anyway?

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GreyFoxx:

overridex: nope

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overridex:

bummer

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tjcarter:

put differently, what's so great about nuv?

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atomjack:

avi is old

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GreyFoxx:

per audio/video frame timestamps for one. making it a snap to keep audio and video in sync

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atomjack:

mkv would be better to use than avi

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GreyFoxx:

avi's suck for that

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GreyFoxx:

over you can use the -geometry commandline flag to specifiy the size each time you start, but it's not quite as useful as dynamic resizing

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Ryushin:

kormoc: Do you know ehre I would set the setting for mythtranscode to output mpeg4 files and not nuv?

[23:18:57]

dopez:

as a dvb-t user, should i go with .20/svn or for .19.1? (i never got 0.19 running reliable with my usb tuner, but my server with .18 crashed so its time to upgrade again ;)

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kormoc:

Ryushin, erm... mythtranscode can output mpeg4 files, but it'll *still* be in a .nuv format

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: mpeg4 is a codec,nuv is a container.

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kormoc:

Ryushin, you see, .nuv is a container, .avi is a container, mpeg4 is a video type, it goes into a container

[23:19:33]

Ryushin:

Okay, that sounds good.

[23:19:46]

Ryushin:

Then why is mytharchive joking on them?

[23:19:53]

Ryushin:

choking

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kormoc:

donno

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kormoc:

maybe it just doesn't like mpeg4?

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Ryushin:

Not sure. ffmpeg says it supports it fine.

[23:20:53]

Ryushin:

Let me try on a different mpeg4 file.

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overridex:

GreyFoxx: yeah, just not quite the same.... sometimes i already have a tv window open and want to make it smaller or larger depending on what i'm doing...

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overridex:

and tvtime doesn't work right in xgl, but mythtv does ;)

[23:24:25]

Ryushin:

Yep, still getting errors: [mpeg4 @ 0xb7e2d7c8]header damaged

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Ryushin:

The error seems in reference to: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2006-August/144826.html

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tedger:

Hi so I'm attempting to setup an Ati All in Wonder with myth. I have it working with lirc just fine but myth despite being compiled to use the remote doesn't seem to be accepting any input from it

[23:43:22]

tedger:

not to be rude but... hello?

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laga:

OH MYGOD

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laga:

sorry, i didn't see you where here!

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scott_:

you know what's awesome? HDTV OTA free with mythtv

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tedger:

sorry, the Ati All in wonder remote

[23:45:06]

tedger:

using a haupage card, that's working just fine

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scott_:

tedger: is it USB? I used to have a usb ati remote

[23:45:49]

tedger:

scott_: it is indee

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tedger:

indeed*

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scott_:

I just loaded the USB driver and skipped lirc all together and just used the controller as a keyboard and used xmodmap to reformat which keys correspond to which keys,etc. and have X11 use it as the keyboard

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tedger:

scott_: huh... ok

[23:47:20]

tedger:

do you know of a good howto for that?

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scott_:

hmm

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scott_:

tedger: maybe this http://remotew.free.fr/linux_en.htm

[23:48:59]

scott_:

well i'm not sure if it's good, but gives you the basic steps and which programs show you the keycodes,etc.

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tedger:

alright

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tedger:

thanks

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scott_:

maybe lirc is better, I was just saying that's what I did with my all in wonder remote

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scott_:

play with both do whichever you think is best

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tedger:

well at one point a while back I had lirc working

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tedger:

but it would send 5 button presses to myth

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tedger:

so it was unuseable

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tedger:

I gave up for a while and decided to try again today

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tedger:

it seems to get button presses when I test using irw but nothing happens in myth

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scott_:

well the thing I like about my way is mythtv doesn't know any better, so no special setup is required, it just thinks the remote is the keyboard

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tedger:

right

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tedger:

ok, well I have a meeting now but I'll have to try that out later

[23:50:45]

tedger:

thanks

[23:50:46]

scott_:

but if you use your frontend for other purposes maybe it won't be as good

[23:50:49]

scott_:

np , good luck

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laga:

you could use mythcontrols in order to map those keys.

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tedger:

laga: yeah that's what I'm thinking, I have it already installed

[23:51:44]

tedger:

laga: just need to get the remote's presses to map to keyboard buttons

[23:51:58]

tedger:

alright I'm off thanks for the assistance I'll report back if I'm successful

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