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| [00:00:03] | word: | my dad's sorta considering getting satellite or digital cable..will a s-video out really be that much different than an hd out with either of those? |
| [00:02:06] | morgewan_: | hey guys, I have another DVD (non copyrighted of course) ripping question. I'm ripping at "Good" quality, and the resulting AVI's have a very low audio level compared to everything else in the system. Do I need to change the transcoding settings? Or the player? Anyone run into this problem? I've googled around, but have not found anything very promising yet... |
| [00:03:43] | word: | check your mexir is PCM all the way up? |
| [00:03:46] | word: | mixer* |
| [00:04:09] | word: | mythtv uses PCM by default |
| [00:04:54] | word: | shouldn't change the transcoding though...what player are you using morgewan_ |
| [00:04:55] | word: | ? |
| [00:04:59] | morgewan_: | word: PCM is at 66% I'll try it at 100% |
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| [00:05:43] | morgewan_: | word: mplayer... I'm running a basicly unmodified Knoppmyth R5C7 install |
| [00:08:29] | morgewan_: | word: no, even at 100% the volume on the ripped AVI is about 20% that of live tv, or other non-myth ripped AVI's... hmmmmm |
| [00:09:03] | word: | tried putting the volume on mythtv up or is it up all the way? |
| [00:09:59] | morgewan_: | it's all the way up.... everything else in the myth system has reasonable volume levels except for ripped DVDs... wacky |
| [00:10:15] | GreyFoxx: | That's not that odd |
| [00:10:34] | GreyFoxx: | DVD's volume is normally much lower than TV broadcasts |
| [00:10:43] | GreyFoxx: | most people who rip them up the volume as well |
| [00:12:22] | morgewan_: | GreyFoxx: thanks for the info, do you know of a resource that might help me figure out how to up the volume in the ripper? |
| [00:13:04] | GreyFoxx: | Not particularly no |
| [00:13:22] | GreyFoxx: | I never use myth to rip DVD's , and really do it extremely rarely. |
| [00:13:35] | GreyFoxx: | Everytime I do I just google for a tutorial or something and follow it |
| [00:14:04] | morgewan_: | GreyFoxx/Word: ok, thanks for the help... I'll go back to google :) |
| [00:19:21] | gardengnome: | dvd::rip is a nice tool to rip DVDs, imho. |
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| [00:23:03] | word: | GreyFoxx: my dad's sorta considering getting satellite or digital cable..will a s-video out really be that much different than an hd out with either of those? |
| [00:27:32] | kormoc: | svideo can't do HD |
| [00:27:41] | kormoc: | so if he's expecting HD, then he can't use svideo |
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| [00:33:00] | word: | kormoc: no i mean with hd..will s-video out really limit the picture that much? |
| [00:33:41] | evilDagmar: | S-video can't do HD. |
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| [00:35:47] | kormoc: | word, when you say hd, we think high-def, do you? |
| [00:35:57] | poonj: | hey guys...in 0.19, is there better support for pcHDTV cards? |
| [00:36:06] | word: | i know...but.....if the quality going to the tuner is hd...but i use s-video out...how much difference is teh quality going to be?...yes,, |
| [00:36:09] | poonj: | I'm trying to use both a PVR-150 and pcHDTV at the same time... |
| [00:36:36] | kormoc: | word, gotcha, downsampleing to standard loses a lot, but is still sharper then normal cable imho |
| [00:37:10] | evilDagmar: | word: It's going to be "normal TV". As in *not* HD. As in 480i and not any higher resolution at all. |
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| [01:00:08] | word: | so getting hdtv out is a -very- good idea kormoc + evilDagmar? |
| [01:04:06] | kormoc: | well, if you get cable, with hd, you can request a cable box that outputs via firewire, and myth can control that, so you don't even need a capture card, you can capture directly from the cable box in pure digital format |
| [01:04:38] | evilDagmar: | Yeah |
| [01:04:54] | evilDagmar: | Well, provided your provider isn't trying to screw you |
| [01:05:25] | evilDagmar: | Some of them won't let premium channels go over firewire, some won't let ANY channels go over firewire except the ones they are required to do so by the FCC |
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| [01:06:50] | evilDagmar: | Either way getting the firewire output on yer digital cable box is next to zero trouble and cost, so it's worth it for anything |
| [01:07:35] | word: | hmm the box i was setting up doesn't have firewire..but i suppose a firewire input pci card or something wouldn't be all that hard to ge |
| [01:07:36] | word: | get* |
| [01:07:56] | jepeltw_: | evilDagmar, is it just the motorola boxes that have FW? My provider uses all Scientific Atlanta and, AFAIK, none have FW |
| [01:08:01] | evilDagmar: | nachoguy: Watch the show some time |
| [01:08:05] | evilDagmar: | wrong channel |
| [01:08:14] | jepeltw_: | word, it probably costs more in gas to drive to the store than to buy the card ;) |
| [01:08:28] | word: | newegg ;p |
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| [01:08:46] | jepeltw_: | if only newegg shipped to Canada... |
| [01:08:54] | evilDagmar: | jepeltw_: If you live in the US and you have digital cable, the FCC has mandated that your cable provider *will* make firewire output available |
| [01:09:11] | evilDagmar: | jepeltw_: You just go hassle your cable people about getting a box with firewire output |
| [01:09:44] | word: | i suppose a box with firewire output might also have additional features too o.O |
| [01:10:24] | evilDagmar: | Like laser interoccitors and repulsor beams |
| [01:10:39] | jepeltw_: | evilDagmar, ah, I guess they don't have the same reg here in Canada |
| [01:12:22] | GreyFoxx: | jepeltw_: They don't,but everyone I've talked too with a boxwith firewire hasn't had to do anything. They just work |
| [01:13:06] | jepeltw_: | ah well. I don't even have or want a box here anyway (everything I watch is on analog and the quality's fine) but I was curious |
| [01:13:51] | GreyFoxx: | My local provider leaves the firewire enabled. Several myth users locally using it :) |
| [01:14:12] | jepeltw_: | w00t |
| [01:15:00] | Sedorox: | I got comcast.. but not the HD boxes.. so no firewire for me |
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| [01:22:47] | word: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125217 hows that look for hdtv out? |
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| [01:28:52] | word: | GreyFoxx: ^ |
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| [01:31:16] | VrtlAdept: | Good day everyone .. I have a question about transcoding .. I'm capturing ATSC HD video, and when i use the transcode options default in myth 0.19 it just seems to make my video files bigger .. What's the point of doing that? Also, any pointers on some good transcode params that would actually shink my shows? (ATSC so big .. a 30 minute show is usually 2+ gigs) |
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| [01:32:02] | AssociateX: | Hello people |
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| [01:32:08] | VrtlAdept: | hi Associate |
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| [01:34:28] | AssociateX: | I'm trying to get a dazzle digital video creator 80 (ID 07d0:0004 Dazzle DVC-800 (PAL) Grabber) to work with linux. Could anyone here give me some dirrection on where to go? Fours days of googling has gotten me little. I could not get usbvision to work. |
| [01:34:48] | gr00ve: | are you sure that works at all in linux? |
| [01:34:59] | gr00ve: | who makes the dazzle – do they have linux drivers available? |
| [01:35:00] | AssociateX: | gr00ve, no |
| [01:35:06] | tate: | Hey, all my mythtv channels are one channel off, 54 is showing me channel 55,etc. What can I do to eliminate that? |
| [01:35:24] | gr00ve: | that'd be first and foremost – i'd guess if googling for driver support doesn't turn anything up – it's not supported |
| [01:35:25] | scopeuk: | cahnge the channel numbers |
| [01:35:36] | scopeuk: | use mythweb |
| [01:35:52] | AssociateX: | gr00ve, good question on who makes it, I just thought it was dazzle pfft, back to googleing |
| [01:36:11] | tate: | use mythweb? |
| [01:36:12] | gr00ve: | dazzle's the vendor, i think you're right – i'm looking around myself at it |
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| [01:36:55] | AssociateX: | gr00ve, look at usbvision while you are at it. They made a linux driver but it friggin' stinks. |
| [01:36:57] | gr00ve: | ah – sorry – my gut reaction was actually closer – i think dazzle's related to pinnacle |
| [01:37:19] | AssociateX: | oh yeah, it's pinnacle |
| [01:37:35] | scopeuk: | hmm isent there a table somewhere wit hall the device ids and the asosiated manufacturere etc |
| [01:37:47] | AssociateX: | sorry, I knew that, just slipped my head |
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| [01:39:24] | tate: | Hey, all my mythtv channels are one channel off, 54 is showing me channel 55,etc. What can I do to eliminate that? |
| [01:39:35] | AssociateX: | gr00ve, if this matters for info at all: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-3514506.html#3514506 |
| [01:39:57] | jepeltw_: | tate, I think there's a thingy in myth-setup that lets you adjust that |
| [01:40:14] | tate: | any notion as to where? |
| [01:40:16] | gr00ve: | AssociateX – from what i see, it looks like the dazzle's not supported, at least as of now |
| [01:40:32] | AssociateX: | gr00ve, shucks |
| [01:40:38] | AssociateX: | ! |
| [01:41:04] | gr00ve: | well – the flipside is it _may_ be supported but it's not named in the kernel docs as a supported device |
| [01:41:07] | AssociateX: | gr00ve, it is recognized by lsusb though |
| [01:41:29] | gr00ve: | you'd have to find out what chipset the device uses and look for kernel or 3rd party drivers for that |
| [01:41:38] | gr00ve: | i'm assuming they're using someone else's chips in there |
| [01:41:38] | AssociateX: | gr00ve, hold on! I'll look up what the kernel calls it, brb |
| [01:41:41] | gr00ve: | sure |
| [01:42:38] | VrtlAdept: | tate: Have you selected canada cable? |
| [01:42:47] | gr00ve: | lsusb and lspci – i'm not sure that seeing an entry there means it's a supported device. i believe there's a mechanism by which to get the make and model of devices attached whether or not the drivers work |
| [01:42:50] | tate: | I selected uscable |
| [01:43:10] | VrtlAdept: | tate: I thought i read somewhere that if you had that selected it coudl make all your channels off by one |
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| [01:43:48] | tate: | that sounds like it's worth my probing |
| [01:44:12] | gr00ve: | probing? not in my bus you don't! |
| [01:44:44] | AssociateX: | device drivers>Multimedia devices>Video Capture Adapters>Zoran ZR36057/36067 Video For Linux <--- that's the closest thing that I was able to find |
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| [01:45:07] | gr00ve: | ok |
| [01:45:08] | AssociateX: | Pinnacle/Miro DC10(+) support Pinnacle/Miro DC30(+) support |
| [01:45:14] | AssociateX: | that's under it |
| [01:45:19] | gr00ve: | doesn't work though? |
| [01:45:29] | AssociateX: | not that I can figure out |
| [01:45:37] | gr00ve: | hmm |
| [01:45:42] | AssociateX: | but I'm real green to v4l |
| [01:45:45] | gr00ve: | well – what's not working when you modprobe it? |
| [01:45:54] | AssociateX: | oh, let me try |
| [01:45:56] | gr00ve: | what kernel is that? |
| [01:46:10] | AssociateX: | uname -r |
| [01:46:10] | AssociateX: | 2.6.17-gentoo-r4 |
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| [01:46:36] | gr00ve: | gentoo. :) |
| [01:47:51] | gr00ve: | eh – you said you're usb, right? that's a pci driver, it seems... |
| [01:48:36] | Z_Morek: | okay I installed previously in /usr/local, and I plan to move the folder on my next install, what files do I need to remove |
| [01:48:43] | Z_Morek: | from /usr/local |
| [01:48:51] | gr00ve: | woah... |
| [01:49:04] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – you installed into a prefix of /usr/local? |
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| [01:49:26] | Z_Morek: | that's default |
| [01:49:28] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – maybe the easiest way to find out is to reinstall the same version to another dir, like say /tmp/mythtv/ |
| [01:49:42] | Z_Morek: | I deleted that version... *footinmouth* |
| [01:49:42] | gr00ve: | then you can get a list of files under that prefix and rm them from /usr/local |
| [01:50:11] | Z_Morek: | do I need to remove them all onebyone? |
| [01:50:15] | gr00ve: | well – this is an educated guess, but i'd imagine the installed files are relatively consistent, so you can get pretty close with whatever newer version you have |
| [01:50:29] | AssociateX: | gr00ve, now how would I test to see if it works? |
| [01:50:47] | gr00ve: | you can remove them in one commandline if you want, but if you didn't build a package, i'm afraid you have to find the file list and remove by hand (or by a few clever commands) |
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| [01:50:49] | Z_Morek: | I'm going from the svn/trunk to 19fixes |
| [01:51:15] | Z_Morek: | I did a make install from svn |
| [01:51:28] | gr00ve: | AssociateX – not sure in your case, i use ivtv which i'm sure is different. anyway, i'd start by looking at the docs in the kernel's Documentation/ directory and at the driver's homepage |
| [01:51:33] | gr00ve: | http://mjpeg.sourceforge.net/driver-zoran/cards.php |
| [01:51:40] | gr00ve: | i'd imagine there's a howto or install/quickstart guide of some sort there |
| [01:52:07] | gr00ve: | if it happens to be like ivtv, you'd see device(s) appear like /dev/video0 or similar( would be probably slightly different in your case ) |
| [01:52:47] | gr00ve: | you can also look in the output at the end of the "dmesg" command, or tail the last 50 or so lines from /var/log/messages to see if the driver spit anything informative into the syslog |
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| [01:52:55] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – okay, that should be fine |
| [01:53:17] | Z_Morek: | couldn't I check dates on files in /usr/local? |
| [01:53:31] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – in fact, if you've already built the new version and prefixed it to another isolated location( like /usr/local/myth for example ), you can use that prefix to find the list of files to delete |
| [01:53:43] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – using that case as an example, you can build a file list like so: |
| [01:54:07] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – cd /usr/local/myth; find . -type f > /tmp/filelist |
| [01:54:25] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – then you can: cd /usr/local ; rm -i `cat /tmp/filelist` |
| [01:54:46] | Z_Morek: | sounds good |
| [01:54:46] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – the "-i" flag will mean you get prompted for each file – which is a safeguard so you don't take something out by mistake. |
| [01:54:54] | Z_Morek: | thanks a lot |
| [01:54:57] | Z_Morek: | I'll go thru with htat |
| [01:54:59] | gr00ve: | you can run without that, but if you do i'd make a quick tar of /usr/local first just in case |
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| [01:55:06] | gr00ve: | no prob |
| [01:55:54] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – yeah you could do it by dates, too, assuming nothing's gotten touched by anything recently. i'd recommend going by a list of filenames since it'd be more obvious if something belongs to myth or not... |
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| [01:56:10] | Z_Morek: | now once I get everything running all perfect and such would I make a backup via a tar? |
| [01:56:24] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – as a safety check, after you build the file list, you can always cd /usr/local; ls -l `cat /tmp/filelist` and check the timestamps before you rm, just to be sure nothing older is included |
| [01:56:30] | Z_Morek: | and put that on my large partition originally dedicated for video files |
| [01:57:23] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – I have a cron'd script that runs once a day. It's just a simple shell script that cd's to /usr/local and targzip's the myth dir into my data drive's Backup/ dir. I also mysqldump nightly and gzip that |
| [01:57:50] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – I remove the oldest entry on each run, and I think I keep about a week now, so I can step back if I find a problem |
| [01:58:48] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – I'll paste my backup scripts to pastebot if you like and you can use or adapt those if you want |
| [01:59:01] | Z_Morek: | yeah |
| [01:59:02] | Z_Morek: | that'd be great |
| [01:59:20] | gr00ve: | uh – is pastebot working for you? it's actually timing out on me at the moment |
| [01:59:52] | Z_Morek: | honestly, I'm new to pastebot |
| [02:00:11] | gr00ve: | nm dns problem |
| [02:00:24] | Z_Morek: | funny story |
| [02:00:30] | Z_Morek: | I broke my last attempt at debian |
| [02:00:40] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – mythbackup script is http://pastebin.ca/133717 |
| [02:00:45] | Z_Morek: | I tried to apt-get install hotplug without knowing about udev |
| [02:00:50] | Z_Morek: | it broke udev |
| [02:00:56] | Z_Morek: | and I lost my network card |
| [02:01:41] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – mysqlbackup script is http://pastebin.ca/133720 |
| [02:02:17] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – also, tar up your config files, your myth unix user's homedir, your X config files, any scripts you make, etc, just in case... |
| [02:03:03] | Z_Morek: | mmmhmm |
| [02:03:19] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – that's a drag. I'm still not fully up to speed on all the 2.4/2.6 changes, including udev. I use 2.6 on gentoo now, and it installed fine but I don't know much about udev. I'm just glad it works out of the box! |
| [02:03:21] | Z_Morek: | right after I figure out how to copy those into vi thru ssh |
| [02:03:31] | gr00ve: | ? |
| [02:03:35] | gr00ve: | copy into vi? |
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| [02:03:51] | Z_Morek: | to create a file to put the script into |
| [02:03:59] | gr00ve: | oh |
| [02:04:03] | gr00ve: | you don't need vi |
| [02:04:10] | Z_Morek: | echo? |
| [02:04:39] | gr00ve: | tell me where you have the script now and where you're trying to get it and i can help you |
| [02:04:41] | AssociateX: | gr00ve, thanks for your help, I didn't get anywhere though |
| [02:04:43] | tate: | well this is odd, I have UScable selected and all the channels were one off |
| [02:05:13] | tate: | I retrieved listings from source in mythtv-setup and it's all right now |
| [02:05:14] | gr00ve: | AssociateX – sorry I couldn't help you more. you didn't find anyhting more? did the module install tell you anything? docs? |
| [02:05:59] | tate: | I think that may be a bug, I have the .19 fixes checked out from svn |
| [02:06:02] | Z_Morek: | gr00ve- I'm not even sure the best place to put it, I was thinking of creating a directory in my /media directory to put all my cron stuff |
| [02:06:06] | AssociateX: | gr00ve, no, it's just not looking good for this device |
| [02:06:15] | gr00ve: | AssociateX – nod... |
| [02:06:45] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – that's fine... i throw my scripts into /usr/local/bin just so they're in my PATH, but wherever... |
| [02:07:01] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – but what about copying them over ssh? If you have cut-n-paste you probably don't even need to |
| [02:07:01] | Z_Morek: | whatever's simplest... |
| [02:07:13] | Z_Morek: | I use putty for ssh |
| [02:07:13] | gr00ve: | just vi /wherever/you/want/mythbackup |
| [02:07:18] | Z_Morek: | problem was |
| [02:07:24] | Z_Morek: | I was copying from the top display section |
| [02:07:28] | Z_Morek: | that has all the numbers interposed |
| [02:07:31] | Z_Morek: | I think I got it now |
| [02:07:34] | gr00ve: | oh... |
| [02:07:36] | gr00ve: | okay |
| [02:08:16] | gr00ve: | crazy enough, you could probably just paste it in as-is and then use the cut command to strip the first 4 characters from each line or something like that if nothing else works |
| [02:09:32] | Z_Morek: | on second thought I don't have it |
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| [02:09:42] | Z_Morek: | it keeps disregarding the first few lines |
| [02:09:51] | gr00ve: | vi does? |
| [02:09:55] | Z_Morek: | the only pasting I'm aware of is a right click |
| [02:10:04] | gr00ve: | that's fine |
| [02:10:10] | gr00ve: | are you in "insert mode" in vi, before you right-click? |
| [02:10:13] | Z_Morek: | yeah |
| [02:10:25] | gr00ve: | otherwise, you'll only see what's after mestamp( the first "i" in the file) |
| [02:10:32] | Z_Morek: | heh |
| [02:10:34] | Z_Morek: | YEAH |
| [02:10:38] | gr00ve: | oh – actually, more like n/sh, hehe |
| [02:10:38] | Z_Morek: | it was after the first i |
| [02:10:45] | ** Z_Morek puts foot in mouth ** | |
| [02:10:46] | gr00ve: | tip for vi |
| [02:10:59] | gr00ve: | first, hit <ESC><COLON>set noautoindent |
| [02:11:14] | gr00ve: | so it doesn't paste indented crap( some vi's default well, some don't) |
| [02:11:22] | gr00ve: | then just hit "i" to enter insert mode, then paste |
| [02:11:34] | Z_Morek: | I just forgot to go into insert mode |
| [02:11:38] | Z_Morek: | so it started after the first i |
| [02:12:16] | gr00ve: | you'll have to set the vars at the top to define the directory you want things to go to. for me, my data drive is mounted under /data, and under that I have Backups and Log directories |
| [02:12:54] | gr00ve: | similar thing for the mysql passwd, etc. You don't need to use the mysql root user as I notice I am – mythtv/mythtv works just fine I believe. |
| [02:13:29] | Z_Morek: | k |
| [02:13:46] | Z_Morek: | to be honest right now I'm just copying them to files and I'll figure all that out later |
| [02:13:54] | gr00ve: | you'll note in mysqlbackup script I also run mysqloptimize just prior to the backup |
| [02:14:03] | Z_Morek: | I'm trying to take it one step at a time and right now I'm mostly waiting for myth to make install |
| [02:14:13] | gr00ve: | that may or may not be wise on my part, to be honest. I should probably backup first then optimize... |
| [02:14:34] | gr00ve: | sure. if those'll help you later then great. |
| [02:15:15] | Z_Morek: | now what about a mysql dump? |
| [02:15:41] | Z_Morek: | I have one of those lying around from before I started this whole distro-switch/selfbuild shenanigans |
| [02:15:42] | gr00ve: | mysqldump – did you see the second script? |
| [02:15:53] | gr00ve: | i pasted once for mythbackup and once for mysqlbackup |
| [02:15:57] | Z_Morek: | I haven't actually looked thru it entirely... oops |
| [02:16:14] | gr00ve: | no big deal |
| [02:16:17] | gr00ve: | the short version is just to run |
| [02:16:45] | gr00ve: | mysqldump -c -root -p mythconverg > mythconverg_backup.sql |
| [02:17:15] | Z_Morek: | yeah |
| [02:17:22] | Z_Morek: | I had run that just prior to this mess |
| [02:17:28] | gr00ve: | if you want to restore one of these, it's probably fastest to log into mysql as root user, "drop database mythconverg" "create database mythconverg" then cat the backup file into mysql to reload all the tables |
| [02:17:29] | gr00ve: | oh okay |
| [02:17:38] | Z_Morek: | and saved it so I can use it to pull myth together again |
| [02:18:22] | ** gr00ve realizes it'd be a good idea to change his mysql root user password now that he's pasted it for all the world to see. ** | |
| [02:18:30] | gr00ve: | i have faith in firewalls, but only so far... ;) |
| [02:18:42] | Z_Morek: | heh |
| [02:18:54] | Z_Morek: | quick question |
| [02:18:57] | gr00ve: | sure |
| [02:19:07] | Z_Morek: | the makeinstall for myth regularly has warnings right? |
| [02:19:17] | Z_Morek: | like "non-virtual destructor" and things like that |
| [02:19:19] | gr00ve: | i don't believe so |
| [02:19:20] | gr00ve: | like what? |
| [02:19:22] | gr00ve: | oh... |
| [02:19:26] | gr00ve: | make or make install? |
| [02:19:30] | Z_Morek: | make install |
| [02:19:32] | gr00ve: | i think you'll see those during build... |
| [02:19:36] | gr00ve: | are you doing make before that? |
| [02:19:41] | Z_Morek: | yeah... |
| [02:19:45] | gr00ve: | hmm |
| [02:19:49] | Z_Morek: | I followed the docs |
| [02:19:50] | gr00ve: | never noticed them but maybe |
| [02:19:53] | gr00ve: | i see them during build |
| [02:19:57] | gr00ve: | can you paste one such line? |
| [02:19:59] | Z_Morek: | qmake mythtv.pro |
| [02:20:01] | Z_Morek: | make qmake |
| [02:20:03] | Z_Morek: | make install |
| [02:20:08] | gr00ve: | make qmake... |
| [02:20:09] | gr00ve: | hmm |
| [02:20:17] | gr00ve: | does that _do_ anything when you type it? |
| [02:20:26] | gr00ve: | i'm not aware of qmake being a target, but it could be |
| [02:20:31] | Z_Morek: | this... /qsqldatabase.h:63: warning: âclass QSqlDriverCreatorBaseâ has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor |
| [02:20:40] | Z_Morek: | there was more but I just copied the tail end |
| [02:20:52] | gr00ve: | yeah – i think when you "make qmake" – i'd guess it just bombs out saying that qmake isn't a target or some such |
| [02:21:03] | gr00ve: | when you make install – does it take several minutes or a few seconds? |
| [02:21:16] | Z_Morek: | a LONG time |
| [02:21:19] | Z_Morek: | on the order of like a half hour |
| [02:21:19] | gr00ve: | okay |
| [02:21:21] | Z_Morek: | plus |
| [02:21:30] | gr00ve: | modify your steps a little – i'm not sure if the docs are incorrect or not, but: |
| [02:21:37] | gr00ve: | ./configure ; qmake mythtv.pro ; make ; make install |
| [02:21:52] | Z_Morek: | I'm in the process of make install |
| [02:21:55] | Z_Morek: | .... |
| [02:21:57] | gr00ve: | qmake shouldn't be a target/option to pass to make.... |
| [02:22:13] | gr00ve: | all the work should happen during the "make" by itself. make install should just do the install step which is very short |
| [02:22:22] | Z_Morek: | make was very short |
| [02:22:25] | gr00ve: | that could be a typo in the docs... |
| [02:22:27] | Z_Morek: | make install is taking forever |
| [02:22:43] | gr00ve: | right – because qmake's not a valid target, so make's bsaically just quitting on you and not building anything when it should |
| [02:22:54] | Z_Morek: | well that's crap |
| [02:22:57] | Z_Morek: | it's in the docs |
| [02:22:58] | gr00ve: | then when you "make install" – make figures out nothing's built, so it builds then installs. that's not normal |
| [02:23:13] | Z_Morek: | http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html |
| [02:23:17] | gr00ve: | it's a typo, that's all. it may have changed at some point, but it's been that way for a long time now, anyway. |
| [02:23:40] | Z_Morek: | will this affect the install? |
| [02:23:57] | gr00ve: | yep that's a typo alright |
| [02:23:59] | gr00ve: | nope |
| [02:24:09] | gr00ve: | make's figured it out for you, so you're okay |
| [02:24:21] | Z_Morek: | thank you forethinking programmers! |
| [02:24:30] | gr00ve: | just for future reference, replace "make qmake" with just "make" or "make -j2" if you have a fast cpu or 2 cpus in that box |
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| [02:24:54] | gr00ve: | i'd add that you should always... always do a "make distclean" after any svn update |
| [02:25:04] | Z_Morek: | I don't htink 1.7ghz is fast... :-P |
| [02:25:09] | Z_Morek: | k |
| [02:25:11] | gr00ve: | and to assist that along in not taking hours – ccache is your friend... |
| [02:25:21] | Z_Morek: | and how do I use ccache? |
| [02:25:26] | gr00ve: | emerge ccache, then use it for mythtv (--enable-ccache) and it'll be much faster rebuilding |
| [02:25:46] | Z_Morek: | apt-get install ccache ? |
| [02:25:49] | gr00ve: | myth's ./configure script will use ccache if you specify ./configure --enable-ccache |
| [02:25:54] | gr00ve: | oh – you're on deb, sorry, yeah |
| [02:26:01] | Z_Morek: | woot |
| [02:26:10] | gr00ve: | it's pretty popular, so it's probably already in your apt sources |
| [02:26:18] | Z_Morek: | yeah |
| [02:26:44] | gr00ve: | also – it's trustworthy. it won't cache anything that should be rebuilt, so you can trust it to do the right thing and not hose your builds |
| [02:27:07] | Z_Morek: | huzzah |
| [02:27:09] | gr00ve: | ccache is a _lifesaver_ |
| [02:27:29] | gr00ve: | check into it at ccache.samba.org – also have a look( if you have multiple linux machines) at distcc.samba.org – both very useful |
| [02:28:25] | Z_Morek: | currently all I have is one linux rig |
| [02:28:28] | Z_Morek: | a windows rig |
| [02:28:32] | jepeltw_: | distcc is awesome |
| [02:28:34] | Z_Morek: | and hopefully soon an xbox xebian rig |
| [02:28:48] | jepeltw_: | gr00ve, have you ever gotten distcc with a cross compiler working? |
| [02:29:08] | gr00ve: | jepeltw – at work, we cross compile solaris binaries on a linux distcc farm, so yeah. |
| [02:29:13] | gr00ve: | gcc-2.95.3 in that case |
| [02:29:23] | gr00ve: | i did that a few years back and i'm a little fuzzy on the problems i had |
| [02:29:33] | gr00ve: | the cross compiler was harder to get working( by itself ) than distcc with it |
| [02:29:58] | jepeltw_: | gr00ve, that's awesome. I've tried to add my Mac mini to produce i686-gnu-linux code from powerpc-darwin, but it only works sometimes and errors out unpredictably |
| [02:30:02] | gr00ve: | i do recall having to do some magic to get distcc to know which gcc to go to for the cross builds |
| [02:30:17] | jepeltw_: | gr00ve, PATH=/opt/local/i386-elf/bin distccd ;) |
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| [02:30:40] | gr00ve: | jepeltw – you have the same _exact_ compiler/binutils/libc's on both sides? |
| [02:31:04] | gr00ve: | i think some mix of those need to be identical – certainly at last the compiler rev has to be identical or you'll get subtle bugs |
| [02:31:47] | jepeltw_: | gr00ve, 3.4.3 on the mac and 3.4.6 on the laptop |
| [02:32:05] | gr00ve: | jepeltw – yeah it wasn't like that... more like we use the same linux cluster for solaris and linux builds, so we had to have one distcc daemon able to call either gcc(native linux gcc) or sparc-sun-solaris2-gcc, for example depending on which target the build wanted |
| [02:32:24] | jepeltw_: | gr00ve, binutils 2.15 on the mac and 2.16 on the linux box; that's prolly the problem |
| [02:32:32] | gr00ve: | jepeltw – that might be enough to matter... i've tried distcc with some gentoos here that aren't in sync and it's not stable. |
| [02:32:45] | gr00ve: | i think i eventually sync'd gcc/binutils/glibc and it was okay after that |
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| [02:33:02] | gr00ve: | i did get it working, but not without some updating and playing around and lotsa failed builds |
| [02:33:40] | gr00ve: | i haven't gotten to this one yet, but i'm on a pentium d 1.8ghz laptop now, running xp |
| [02:33:57] | gr00ve: | i want to get a gentoo netboot or self-made livecd that i can boot to be a distcc slave |
| [02:34:07] | gr00ve: | it's just enough hassle to put it way down on my todo list |
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| [02:34:20] | gr00ve: | but i'm sitting on a lot of power in this thing.. |
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| [02:35:52] | Z_Morek: | gr00ve- there were some discrepancies between 19 fixes and trunk |
| [02:36:00] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – well – actually, there _is_ a qmake target for make |
| [02:36:13] | gr00ve: | it just runs "qmake -o Makefile mythtv.pro" |
| [02:36:39] | gr00ve: | i'm not sure how that's any different than the "qmake mythtv.pro" – which I believe already creates the Makefile, so it may be a redundant step. I never do it and haven't had any problems, anyway... |
| [02:37:12] | gr00ve: | but regardless you will see there is a "make" below the make qmake step in each example... you were skipping that and doing make install after make qmake, so the "install" target was actually doing double-duty and doing the build |
| [02:37:50] | gr00ve: | it's okay – make will still build everything okay that way, it's just that "make" by itself won't do the install at the end for you, which is preferrable if you're not ready to do the install yet( like you're compiling while it's still recording, for example ) |
| [02:38:29] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – discrepencies... yeah – trunk is newer/different than 19.1 – what types of things? |
| [02:38:38] | Z_Morek: | I'm making svn now so I can make a new filelist and remove all the files from my previous trunk svn install |
| [02:38:55] | gr00ve: | oh in the file lists? yeah probably a little bit |
| [02:39:10] | Z_Morek: | yeah and when I checked out /usr/local/bin there's a myth file still there |
| [02:39:21] | Z_Morek: | mythreplex |
| [02:39:24] | gr00ve: | yep |
| [02:39:25] | Z_Morek: | so I can only assume there's others leftover |
| [02:39:32] | Z_Morek: | so I'll take the time now and do that |
| [02:39:44] | gr00ve: | the bin and lib dirs are most worrisome in terms of something getting crossed up later on |
| [02:40:08] | gr00ve: | so make certain you get those cleaned up, the other dirs are a little less problematic i think... |
| [02:40:09] | Z_Morek: | rather than deal with crap later |
| [02:40:15] | Z_Morek: | yeah |
| [02:40:27] | Z_Morek: | after all that I'm going to try and get myth running |
| [02:40:30] | Z_Morek: | if all goes well |
| [02:40:43] | gr00ve: | last thing you need is your new frontend finding old libraries from /usr/local/lib and trying to figure out what the heck is going on when you get segfaults and oddities everywhere |
| [02:40:44] | Z_Morek: | I've decided to make an install directory in the root directory |
| [02:41:10] | Z_Morek: | and install there |
| [02:41:18] | Z_Morek: | rather than directly into /usr/local |
| [02:41:23] | gr00ve: | yeah |
| [02:41:30] | Z_Morek: | I'll do that with everything I do from now on |
| [02:41:32] | gr00ve: | i use /usr/local/myth for my installed version |
| [02:41:42] | Z_Morek: | should I install drivers such as ivtv into /usr/local? |
| [02:41:46] | Z_Morek: | because I think that's where I installed it |
| [02:41:52] | Z_Morek: | previously |
| [02:41:54] | gr00ve: | eh that's okay if it's from a package |
| [02:42:05] | gr00ve: | if it's from source, i think you might want to keep it in it's own prefix directory |
| [02:42:13] | gr00ve: | again if you need to update/remove later it's easier |
| [02:42:17] | Z_Morek: | should I pull the same thing I did with removal on myth? |
| [02:42:25] | Z_Morek: | build and install somewhere else |
| [02:42:40] | gr00ve: | it will lead to more entries in your ld.so.conf and PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH but short of making packages it's probably the next best way to keep it simple and relatively clean |
| [02:42:55] | gr00ve: | yep you can do that if you still have the ivtv source for that version around |
| [02:43:36] | Z_Morek: | ok |
| [02:43:46] | Z_Morek: | I have the same exact source I compiled from |
| [02:43:50] | Z_Morek: | in a /build directory |
| [02:43:54] | Z_Morek: | I'm starting to get this organization thing |
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| [02:44:14] | Z_Morek: | source in /build |
| [02:44:21] | Z_Morek: | installs in /install |
| [02:44:33] | gr00ve: | that'll work |
| [02:44:39] | Z_Morek: | yay I did something right! |
| [02:44:40] | gr00ve: | really – that's what /usr/local is, however |
| [02:44:45] | Z_Morek: | SHHHH |
| [02:44:47] | Z_Morek: | don't ruin this for me |
| [02:44:56] | gr00ve: | well – it's actually technically wrong by unix methods, |
| [02:45:04] | gr00ve: | er, ahem, i mean ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H |
| [02:45:06] | gr00ve: | good job |
| [02:45:07] | gr00ve: | ;) |
| [02:45:33] | gr00ve: | hehe... anyway, i was going to point out that /usr/local is meant for your "local" builds |
| [02:45:47] | Z_Morek: | que? |
| [02:46:06] | gr00ve: | the most correct thing to do is to create packages( .deb files ) that install for you and then you can remove/install easily |
| [02:46:12] | gr00ve: | with mythsvn, that's a bit of a hassle |
| [02:46:24] | gr00ve: | the next best thing(in my opinion) to stay true to the intent of the layout |
| [02:46:37] | gr00ve: | is to make your own dirs in /usr/local like /usr/local/src/mythsvn |
| [02:46:54] | gr00ve: | /usr/local/src/ivtv then install into /usr/loca/ivtv, etc |
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| [02:47:12] | gr00ve: | you _will_ have to add /usr/local/ivtv/bin to your path after that, which is why it's not perfect... |
| [02:47:13] | ** jepeltw_ decides against being an FHS nazi and reminding that /opt/mythtv would do fine ** | |
| [02:47:14] | gr00ve: | but it works |
| [02:47:18] | gr00ve: | haha |
| [02:47:28] | gr00ve: | yeah... if it's only a few packages, no big deal |
| [02:47:31] | jepeltw_: | I never did understand why people use /usr/local/appname when we've got /opt |
| [02:47:40] | gr00ve: | if you're gonna use the box for a long time or there will be more than just a couple, best to get organized |
| [02:47:48] | jepeltw_: | *cough* |
| [02:47:59] | Z_Morek: | how does one make these packages you speak of? |
| [02:48:08] | gr00ve: | because /opt's s'posed to be for 3rd party stuff |
| [02:48:09] | Z_Morek: | nvm |
| [02:48:11] | Z_Morek: | I'll google |
| [02:48:20] | gr00ve: | i thought... and /usr/local for local builds of packages |
| [02:48:23] | jepeltw_: | gr00ve, yea, I had a server like that; got hideously messy with a mix of slack packages in /usr, stuff in /usr/local, /usr/local/appname, and confs in /etc, /usr/etc, and /usr/local/etc |
| [02:48:33] | gr00ve: | i hate that |
| [02:48:44] | gr00ve: | one of my coworkers always does that when he installs apache and it drives me nuts |
| [02:49:06] | jepeltw_: | mysql binaries install to /usr/local/mysql, at least back when I installed it |
| [02:49:28] | gr00ve: | i just love having to hunt for stuff... |
| [02:49:43] | gr00ve: | my coworker's extra special because he'll put a binary into /usr/sbin and the config in /usr/local/etc |
| [02:49:45] | jepeltw_: | gr00ve, how do you feel about the various /etc dirs? do you prefer to just slap everything in /etc? |
| [02:49:52] | gr00ve: | i can't even explain to him why that's completely fouled up |
| [02:49:58] | jepeltw_: | gr00ve, sounds like the kind of special that deserves attention with the cluestick |
| [02:50:03] | gr00ve: | hehe |
| [02:50:09] | gr00ve: | i have a wet trout on hand, believe me |
| [02:50:19] | gr00ve: | various /etc dirs? how so? |
| [02:50:35] | jepeltw_: | gr00ve, if you prefix an autotools program to /usr, by default it should put conf into /usr/etc |
| [02:50:46] | gr00ve: | ah yeah |
| [02:50:50] | gr00ve: | i don't go that far |
| [02:50:55] | jepeltw_: | gr00ve, I detest /usr/etc and force --sysconfdir=/etc, but freeBSD uses /usr/etc and /usr/local/etc freely |
| [02:51:05] | gr00ve: | exception being i'll tolerate /usr/local/etc for some stuff if it's prefixed to /usr/local |
| [02:51:33] | gr00ve: | mv /usr/etc/* /etc && rmdir /etc && ln -s /etc /usr/etc |
| [02:51:36] | Z_Morek: | woosh over my head |
| [02:51:38] | gr00ve: | hehe |
| [02:51:40] | jepeltw_: | gr00ve, pwnd |
| [02:51:51] | ** jepeltw_ is tempted to introduce gobolinux just to keep the discussion hot ** | |
| [02:51:57] | gr00ve: | haha |
| [02:52:03] | jepeltw_: | gr00ve, you've heard of it? |
| [02:52:22] | gr00ve: | no it's just funny on the face of it |
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| [02:52:46] | gr00ve: | as soon as you said gobolinux i pictured some little cowboy robot linux admin jumping out of a moving van and drawing guns |
| [02:52:51] | jepeltw_: | LOL |
| [02:53:02] | gr00ve: | i'll bite – what is it? another distro? |
| [02:53:09] | jepeltw_: | it installs everything into its own directory |
| [02:53:18] | evilDagmar: | gr00ve: You might want to reconsider that series of commands. |
| [02:53:18] | Z_Morek: | I just checked wikipedia |
| [02:53:22] | jepeltw_: | e.g. /Programs/Nano/1.2.4/bin/nano |
| [02:53:31] | Z_Morek: | it totally reorganizes the directories |
| [02:53:31] | evilDagmar: | Most people don't copy files into a directory and then delete it |
| [02:53:50] | evilDagmar: | It's bullshit. |
| [02:53:55] | gr00ve: | haha |
| [02:53:57] | gr00ve: | my typo |
| [02:54:01] | evilDagmar: | That file hierarchy they use causes way more problems than it solves. |
| [02:54:05] | gr00ve: | you knew what i was saying anyway... |
| [02:54:13] | jepeltw_: | Don't Execute Commands From IRC 101, boys and girls... |
| [02:54:23] | gr00ve: | unless you're root, of course |
| [02:54:29] | gr00ve: | ;> |
| [02:54:38] | Z_Morek: | heh |
| [02:54:44] | Z_Morek: | yay for fucking up systems! |
| [02:54:47] | jepeltw_: | evilDagmar, I'd say it's a toss-up depending on what you do with your system. If you compile a lot of things yourself and switch versions often, it might be worth it |
| [02:54:54] | evilDagmar: | NOpe |
| [02:54:56] | evilDagmar: | Definitely not then |
| [02:55:05] | ** Z_Morek steps into flamesuit ** | |
| [02:55:07] | gr00ve: | haha |
| [02:55:29] | gr00ve: | i'm not sure if i'd want different systems to look too similar in layout |
| [02:55:29] | evilDagmar: | If you're doing that, you use *packages*. You don't set yourself up to need a PATH statement a mile and a half long |
| [02:55:34] | gr00ve: | it might make confusing them easier |
| [02:55:51] | jepeltw_: | evilDagmar, that's why things are symlinked by type: /System/Links/Executables, Libraries, etc |
| [02:56:08] | evilDagmar: | I mean, clue number one that they're heading in the wrong direction is that their initial documentation mentioned Windows as if it were doing a correct or useful thing. |
| [02:56:15] | gr00ve: | evilDagmar – yeah of course, but it's not always practical to set up a package for everything under the sun – if it's just one thing like mythtv that you're one-offing, i don't really see the problem with it |
| [02:56:16] | evilDagmar: | jepeltw_: That's not even useful. |
| [02:56:32] | jepeltw_: | evilDagmar, well, it eliminates having a statement in $PATH for each dir |
| [02:56:44] | evilDagmar: | jepeltw_: People *complain* about having a bunch of obscure files around that they can't keep track of. Putting them in a million directories is only going to make that worse, not better. |
| [02:56:52] | evilDagmar: | What's more important is that the *system* knows simply where things are. |
| [02:57:39] | gr00ve: | yep, ideally, that's the best way to have things |
| [02:57:48] | evilDagmar: | They're trying to offload the responsibility of keeping track of files from the package managment utility to the filesystem. |
| [02:57:53] | evilDagmar: | So look at that logically... |
| [02:58:00] | jepeltw_: | that's exactly what it does |
| [02:58:00] | evilDagmar: | If something happens to the filesystem, how do you fix it? |
| [02:58:21] | jepeltw_: | evilDagmar, if you rm -rf /System/Links, there's a script to rebuild it |
| [02:58:36] | jepeltw_: | evilDagmar, if your package manager's DB gets hosed, how do you rebuild it? |
| [02:58:48] | ** gr00ve steps into his flamesuit, too ** | |
| [02:59:01] | gr00ve: | hehe |
| [02:59:07] | evilDagmar: | jepeltw_: You can usually just restore it by using the catalog to rebuild it from the actual packages. |
| [02:59:15] | ** Z_Morek hides behind a brick wall and pokes his head out to keep watching, still in a flamesuit ** | |
| [02:59:25] | jepeltw_: | evilDagmar, as in, the .debs or rpms from which you installed? |
| [02:59:29] | evilDagmar: | ...but see, if the package manager's database gets trashed, it doesn't fuck up the whole system |
| [02:59:30] | ** Z_Morek is also profoundly confused ** | |
| [02:59:42] | ** gr00ve hides among civilians hoping nobody will notice his bright orange flamesuit ** | |
| [02:59:47] | jepeltw_: | evilDagmar, you do have a point |
| [02:59:59] | jepeltw_: | evilDagmar, but symlinks on an FS are less fragile than nearly all DBs |
| [03:00:17] | jepeltw_: | if you have enough FS corruption that those are effected, they're the least of your worries |
| [03:00:18] | evilDagmar: | They're still part of the filesystem. |
| [03:00:41] | evilDagmar: | You can't restore missing parts of the filesystem if the filesystem *is* your package management |
| [03:00:43] | gr00ve: | you repair the filesystem and if it deletes inodes or such you restore your backup |
| [03:01:15] | gr00ve: | really that's dogmatic – we're talking some high-level apps in /usr/local, not /sbin/fsck... |
| [03:01:16] | evilDagmar: | gr00ve: If "restore the backup" is the answer, then pretty much everything has failed. |
| [03:01:38] | evilDagmar: | No, it's not dogmatic. It's knowlegde gained from repairing many, many trashed machines. |
| [03:01:47] | jepeltw_: | I do agree that if dpkg/rpm/etc craps its DB, your system keeps going |
| [03:02:00] | gr00ve: | okay |
| [03:02:10] | jepeltw_: | evilDagmar, what kind of FS corruption are we talking about? |
| [03:02:17] | gr00ve: | well, if /usr/local dies on my box, i restore it from a tar worst comes to worst... it doesn't make my system inoperable |
| [03:02:25] | evilDagmar: | Ther'es also the problem of how do you replicate a filesystem that's just chock full o' symlinks without tarring it up all at once? |
| [03:02:32] | evilDagmar: | YOu can't really. |
| [03:02:55] | gr00ve: | if /sbin gets mangled, your package manager utils may not run anyway, so i still fail to see the point, really. i'm not proposing dumping _everything_ into it's own dir here, just an svn myth build in this case |
| [03:03:17] | gr00ve: | and i don't symlink stuff, i add one entry to PATH and ld.so.conf and it's not creating a mile long path... |
| [03:03:19] | evilDagmar: | ...but if you have a nice, concise list of packages, not only can you replicate easily, you can also apply some revision controls so that you maybe stand a chance of identifying the source of problems. |
| [03:03:23] | gr00ve: | uh huh |
| [03:03:33] | jepeltw_: | evilDagmar, how do you mean by replicate? tar, rsync, dump, etc all handle symlinks |
| [03:03:49] | evilDagmar: | gr00ve: If /sbin gets mangled, you can still boot a CD with the package management tools on it and use the database |
| [03:04:01] | gr00ve: | same for an untar, that's my whole point |
| [03:04:05] | evilDagmar: | jepeltw_: I mean "replicate" as in move/clone from one platform to another |
| [03:04:16] | evilDagmar: | You will never be able to manage many machines using this symlink stuff |
| [03:04:46] | jepeltw_: | evilDagmar, I agree, GoboLinux currently is unsuitable for a network environment |
| [03:04:49] | gr00ve: | again, i'm not dispensing a methodology as standard practice, i was talking to Z_Morek about a better way to do it than dump into /usr/local alone as a prefix. i don't think he's ready yet to create debian packages, so this is next best... |
| [03:04:58] | jepeltw_: | unless it's a dumb diskless box that loads root over NFS |
| [03:05:12] | evilDagmar: | You might as well be organizing an encylopedia by saying "Well, the pages are numbered and we have a photocopier. We don't need a TOC or a keyword index," |
| [03:05:33] | gr00ve: | i agree with you that packages are best overall, but not always efficient or practical in every case |
| [03:05:56] | jepeltw_: | evilDagmar, I don't quite understand your analogy... |
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| [03:06:49] | gr00ve: | an argument for packages which hasn't been mentioned yet is that it alleviates dependency issues, which is important, too, so it's definitely the best practice |
| [03:06:55] | Z_Morek: | I'm readin up on packages now |
| [03:07:19] | Z_Morek: | give it time and I shall be ready |
| [03:07:52] | jepeltw_: | if you look on autopackage.org's packages section, there's a utility called packer which may be helpful |
| [03:08:05] | evilDagmar: | ugh |
| [03:08:09] | gr00ve: | hehe |
| [03:08:11] | evilDagmar: | autopackage is a clusterfsck |
| [03:08:27] | jepeltw_: | http://packer.sourceforge.net/ |
| [03:08:27] | gr00ve: | at least i had a chance to duck that time |
| [03:08:43] | Z_Morek: | evilDagmar, I'm extremely new to building stuff on my own |
| [03:08:50] | jepeltw_: | evilDagmar, Its dependency handling, imo, is highly inadequate, but how is it a clusterfsck? |
| [03:08:58] | evilDagmar: | Well, their tool might be okay, but their fundamental goal is flawed. |
| [03:09:01] | Z_Morek: | I grew up on windows and tried linux a while ago using just prebuilt packages |
| [03:09:09] | Z_Morek: | so now I want to build stuff on my own |
| [03:09:18] | Z_Morek: | what's my best method to build from 19 fixes |
| [03:09:43] | Z_Morek: | and build ivtv myself |
| [03:09:44] | Z_Morek: | etc. etc. |
| [03:09:57] | Z_Morek: | and keep it relatively easy |
| [03:10:10] | Z_Morek: | emphasis on relatively |
| [03:10:16] | evilDagmar: | Just grab the source with svn and build it using _the shell script you've put together_ |
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| [03:10:43] | Z_Morek: | a shell script... |
| [03:10:46] | evilDagmar: | It doesn't have to be a *fancy* script, it just has to have the commands you use to run configure and make |
| [03:11:11] | Z_Morek: | this adds a whole new level of complexity for me |
| [03:11:15] | gr00ve: | evilDagmar – then the money question is – where/how to install it? |
| [03:11:17] | jepeltw_: | evilDagmar, I'm tempted to write a package manager. Could you be so kind as to slap some sense into me? |
| [03:11:21] | evilDagmar: | ...which you _hang onto_ so that the next time you need to install/upgrade, you have that script handy so you won't accidentally leave out an option that's important or change something |
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| [03:11:48] | evilDagmar: | gr00ve: Frankly, I just tell people --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var/lib |
| [03:11:57] | notkafk: | jepeltw_, why? if you're gonna do a package, why not just say, use a package? |
| [03:12:03] | notkafk: | most distros have them... |
| [03:12:04] | gr00ve: | evilDagmar – well great, but that was the inital problem really |
| [03:12:07] | evilDagmar: | jepeltw_: it's not a bad thing to do, just not likely to be useful to use |
| [03:12:13] | jepeltw_: | notkafk, mostly to push my abilities in bash |
| [03:12:17] | jepeltw_: | ack |
| [03:12:24] | jepeltw_: | to improve my abilities in bash |
| [03:12:28] | evilDagmar: | It's very educational to write a package manager |
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| [03:12:44] | notkafk: | a full package manager in bash? wow, enjoy that :P |
| [03:12:49] | gr00ve: | evilDagmar – he's installed from src into /usr/local and it littered some files into there with no track of what went where. so i simply suggested next time you can keep it under one path /usr/local/myth for example so it's easier to remove later if need be |
| [03:12:50] | jepeltw_: | evilDagmar, any suggestions on practices to enhance the educational experience? |
| [03:13:10] | evilDagmar: | gr00ve: Well, if he doesn't have anything else under /usr/local ther'es no reason he can't rm -rf /usr/local and start over |
| [03:13:15] | gr00ve: | evilDagmar – i assume you'd see that in this case as preferable to mixing it up with everything else... or not? |
| [03:13:19] | jepeltw_: | notkafk, I started it way back for a small distro that never took off (and moved to a different PM anyway) so I have it mostly planned in my head |
| [03:13:36] | gr00ve: | evilDagmar – that's not safe to assume – he does have other stuff in there, and that's why i suggested /usr/local/myth to differentiate and avoid that problem... |
| [03:14:13] | Z_Morek: | I know not what to do |
| [03:14:27] | notkafk: | jepeltw_, it's more the entire database system of installed packages and depend calculations and more advanced features, like file x belongs to package y. It can be done, but bash seems a bit... limited in certain areas :) |
| [03:14:52] | evilDagmar: | gr00ve: Well, if he slaps a fresh, non-insane copy down in /usr/local it will trample anything that could screw it up |
| [03:14:57] | jepeltw_: | notkafk, exactly. It'll be fun |
| [03:15:20] | jepeltw_: | brb, evening snack |
| [03:15:25] | evilDagmar: | notkafk: "Painful" is the word I'd use |
| [03:15:37] | Z_Morek: | evilDagmar.... what do you mean by non-insane copy? |
| [03:15:40] | gr00ve: | evilDagmar – true, but can/will eventually leave orphaned files/libs around... |
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| [03:15:54] | evilDagmar: | Z_Morek: As in "compiled correctly and functional binaries" |
| [03:16:03] | evilDagmar: | gr00ve: Yep. |
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| [03:16:17] | evilDagmar: | Someone installing without making a package is going to be facing that anyway |
| [03:16:23] | darkdrgn2k: | Is there ANY way to turn off the 2 second lag of myth tv? |
| [03:16:25] | gr00ve: | i dunno, the other "feature" of that approach is you can just "mv /usr/local/myth /usr/local/MYTHLAST" and install a new copy and easily revert that way... everything's self contained. |
| [03:16:30] | evilDagmar: | darkdrgn2k: no. |
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| [03:16:53] | darkdrgn2k: | evilDagmar: *SIGH* my blaster takes to long.. takes like 15 seconds to change the channel! |
| [03:16:56] | evilDagmar: | gr00ve: I got no problem with that. |
| [03:17:05] | gr00ve: | evilDagmar – you've obviously had enough dependency/package/custombuilt mixmashes to become very passionate about it |
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| [03:18:50] | evilDagmar: | gr00ve: Mainly I just beat back the chaos that threatens to overwhelm |
| [03:20:50] | gr00ve: | i'm still baffling over why mpeg2 lossless transcodes lose captions |
| [03:21:08] | darkdrgn2k: | any one here have a PVR150 and using the IR blasteR? |
| [03:21:18] | gr00ve: | i do |
| [03:21:38] | darkdrgn2k: | gr00ve: do u use the IR blaster to SEND or RECEIVE |
| [03:21:40] | gr00ve: | my irblaster's a serial blaster, and i use a hauppauge grey remote via the pvr150 |
| [03:22:00] | gr00ve: | take that back – that's right – i started trying to use the builtin blaster but i had to switch to a serial one |
| [03:22:22] | darkdrgn2k: | gr00ve0: y did u swich |
| [03:22:22] | gr00ve: | i made my own and patched lirc to use it for channel changing |
| [03:22:46] | gr00ve: | i think the ir blaster that came with the pvr wasn't supported in lirc at the time but i don't recall clearly |
| [03:22:47] | darkdrgn2k: | gr00ve: yeh, it seems the IR blaster is really slow on the hauggpug |
| [03:22:51] | gr00ve: | this was close to 2 years ago |
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| [03:23:12] | JoelMax: | i have problem with mythtv i can watch the tv but is lot lines on the screen |
| [03:23:17] | darkdrgn2k: | gr00ve: it takes liek 10 seconds to enter the 4 numvers needed to change channels |
| [03:23:26] | darkdrgn2k: | JoelMax: de-interlace? |
| [03:23:39] | gr00ve: | is it lirc that talks to it? |
| [03:23:48] | darkdrgn2k: | gr00ve: yes, lirc |
| [03:23:51] | darkdrgn2k: | gr00ve: i use irsend |
| [03:24:15] | JoelMax: | darkdrgn2k, de-interlace? |
| [03:24:27] | darkdrgn2k: | JoelMax: what do uo mean by lines? |
| [03:24:29] | gr00ve: | do you call that from a script to change channels? |
| [03:24:36] | gr00ve: | or directly from mythtv in one cmdline? |
| [03:24:52] | darkdrgn2k: | gr00ve: Made a C proggy to send the right keys |
| [03:25:00] | Z_Morek: | gr00ve, am I best off NOW to stick with my own folders for each program install? |
| [03:25:04] | darkdrgn2k: | basically it does execlp("irsend","irsend","SEND_ONCE","blaster ",key,NULL); |
| [03:25:07] | gr00ve: | okay – does it sleep at all? |
| [03:25:15] | darkdrgn2k: | wait(&stat); |
| [03:25:17] | Z_Morek: | and should I remove ivtv from /usr/local and make its own folder or leave it |
| [03:25:19] | darkdrgn2k: | just waitd for process to end |
| [03:25:33] | gr00ve: | Z_Morek – not to start another jihad, but for _now_ – yeah it's easiest. when you have time to learn about pkg building and maintenance you can take that step |
| [03:25:41] | Z_Morek: | okay |
| [03:25:45] | Z_Morek: | that'll be next upgrade |
| [03:25:47] | Z_Morek: | not this upgrade |
| [03:25:57] | gr00ve: | ivtv's probably fine in /usr/local |
| [03:26:20] | darkdrgn2k: | gr00ve: should i try withouth the wait? |
| [03:26:21] | Z_Morek: | okay I cleaned the trunk svn from /usr/local and I have the fixes installed in their own directory |
| [03:26:22] | gr00ve: | it's very few files and i think all go to /usr/local/bin/ivtv* |
| [03:26:31] | gr00ve: | what's your wait set to? |
| [03:26:38] | word: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125217 hows that look for hdtv out? |
| [03:26:49] | darkdrgn2k: | gr00ve: its a FORK wait.. so wait till process ends |
| [03:26:55] | gr00ve: | irsend itself is usually fast to return, so if you're sending 4 digits with a 1 second sleep that's 3 seconds right there... |
| [03:26:57] | darkdrgn2k: | if (!(pid=fork())) |
| [03:26:58] | darkdrgn2k: | execlp("irsend","irsend","SEND_ONCE","blaster ",key,NULL); |
| [03:26:58] | darkdrgn2k: | wait(&stat); |
| [03:27:06] | gr00ve: | oh |
| [03:27:32] | gr00ve: | that sends one digit? |
| [03:27:37] | JoelMax: | darkdrgn2k, is look bad |
| [03:27:39] | darkdrgn2k: | thres a for loop |
| [03:27:40] | darkdrgn2k: | lol |
| [03:27:55] | gr00ve: | why bother to fork and wait? |
| [03:27:56] | JoelMax: | how you watching 2 channels in one |
| [03:28:12] | darkdrgn2k: | gr00ve: cause exec replaces the current process :-P |
| [03:28:32] | gr00ve: | thought there was one that didn't – system() maybe? |
| [03:28:47] | gr00ve: | you know a shell script works fine, too, and it's easier for the most part... |
| [03:29:08] | darkdrgn2k: | gr00ve: im used to c :-P |
| [03:29:08] | darkdrgn2k: | real 0m3.563s |
| [03:29:18] | gr00ve: | have you strace'd that to see where the time's spent? |
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| [03:29:34] | darkdrgn2k: | 4 seconds to change cnalles + the mythtv delay of about 2 thats 6 secods.. hard to channel surf lol |
| [03:29:38] | gr00ve: | irsend may be slow itself, or something to do with fork/wait'ing may be slowing it down for some reason |
| [03:30:01] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm maybe my lirc driver is ind ebug mode |
| [03:30:06] | gr00ve: | yeah i switched livetv to browse mode for that reason – you flip until you see a show/desc you like then select and it hops |
| [03:30:17] | gr00ve: | try timing irsend to see how long it's taking |
| [03:30:25] | gr00ve: | you're not sleeping after the wait in your for loop are you? |
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| [03:31:27] | darkdrgn2k: | mythsettop conf.d # time irsend SEND_ONCE blaster 1_146_KEY_0 |
| [03:31:27] | darkdrgn2k: | real 0m0.384s |
| [03:32:13] | gr00ve: | ok |
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| [03:32:29] | gr00ve: | so it seems maybe overhead in fork/wait or in something else in the C wrapper |
| [03:32:44] | gr00ve: | because 4 of those is only 1.5 seconds or so |
| [03:33:02] | darkdrgn2k: | lets try lol |
| [03:33:52] | gr00ve: | oh – one other thing |
| [03:34:00] | gr00ve: | are you changing to channels like "2" ? |
| [03:34:06] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm wait is killing it i just tested it |
| [03:34:26] | darkdrgn2k: | lest try system :-P |
| [03:34:33] | gr00ve: | if your tuner needs "0002" you will get faster changes if you pad zeros and send 0 0 0 2 instead of just 2 |
| [03:34:56] | darkdrgn2k: | gr00ve: thats what the C progyy does :-P |
| [03:34:59] | gr00ve: | k |
| [03:36:24] | darkdrgn2k: | using system: |
| [03:36:24] | darkdrgn2k: | mythsettop ~ # time ./a.out 627 |
| [03:36:25] | darkdrgn2k: | 2 |
| [03:36:25] | darkdrgn2k: | 6 |
| [03:36:25] | darkdrgn2k: | 2 |
| [03:36:25] | darkdrgn2k: | 7 |
| [03:36:27] | darkdrgn2k: | real 0m3.570s |
| [03:36:56] | gr00ve: | and you're calling system with no sleep calls in between? |
| [03:36:58] | kormoc: | really now, was there any real need to copy and paste all of that? |
| [03:37:19] | darkdrgn2k: | yep |
| [03:37:23] | darkdrgn2k: | just a sprintf |
| [03:37:25] | gr00ve: | it's hard for me to imagine that 4 system() calls in C would take longer than 4 irsend's in a shell script... |
| [03:37:33] | darkdrgn2k: | kormoc: sory |
| [03:37:38] | gr00ve: | but that seems to be the case... !? |
| [03:37:51] | kormoc: | system has some overhead, compaired to less for a shell script |
| [03:37:54] | kormoc: | but shouldn't be that much |
| [03:38:21] | gr00ve: | this would be about .5 seconds per call ... |
| [03:38:30] | gr00ve: | seems like an awful lot |
| [03:38:47] | kormoc: | easy way to tell |
| [03:39:01] | darkdrgn2k: | well |
| [03:39:01] | darkdrgn2k: | time . ./1 |
| [03:39:01] | darkdrgn2k: | real 0m3.547s |
| [03:39:08] | kormoc: | time /bin/sh -c irsend SEND_ONCE blaster 1_146_KEY_0 |
| [03:39:10] | darkdrgn2k: | i made a shell script with 4 irsend calls |
| [03:39:21] | kormoc: | as that's what the system call does |
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| [03:39:49] | gr00ve: | dunno – unless your time'd single irsend before was misleading |
| [03:39:53] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh, well 4 irsends in scrit and 4 irsends in c seem to be about the same length.. 3 ms |
| [03:40:03] | gr00ve: | shouldn't take much longer than 4 x a single instance |
| [03:40:13] | darkdrgn2k: | mythsettop ~ # time irsend SEND_ONCE blaster 1_146_KEY_0 |
| [03:40:13] | darkdrgn2k: | real 0m0.387s |
| [03:40:27] | darkdrgn2k: | i dont get it ... |
| [03:40:41] | kormoc: | darkdrgn2k, that 0m3.xxxs is 3 seconds not 3 miliseconds |
| [03:40:45] | gr00ve: | and if you time "irsend ; irsend ; irsend; irsend" (with your options) it takes 3.x seconds? |
| [03:40:52] | gr00ve: | (all in one line, no script, i meant) |
| [03:41:19] | kormoc: | it could be that irsend returns before it actually sends the event, so that it's blocking on # 2, 3, and 4 |
| [03:41:23] | darkdrgn2k: | i cant do that :-S |
| [03:41:31] | gremgrem: | I'm trying to get my mythtv box going, but I can't seem to get my video0 device to appear. I've installed the card, installed IVTV and there is cx2388x messages in my dmesg. I can't figure out why the card isn't being fully recognized. (I'm using PVR-150) |
| [03:41:45] | gr00ve: | dark – might need "( cmd1; cmd2 )" actually, not sure |
| [03:42:00] | darkdrgn2k: | gr00ve: still not work |
| [03:42:05] | gr00ve: | not sure then sorry |
| [03:42:19] | darkdrgn2k: | i made a bash file with just 4 irsends and it clocks at 3 seconds |
| [03:42:31] | gr00ve: | so probably blocking as mentioned |
| [03:42:33] | ** darkdrgn2k notices some wierd debug-like info in his dmesg ** | |
| [03:42:43] | darkdrgn2k: | "lirc_pvr150: NAK expected: i2c_master_send failed with -121 (try 2) |
| [03:42:45] | gr00ve: | you're gonna have to code dive or recompile lirc |
| [03:42:46] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm,,, |
| [03:42:51] | gr00ve: | oh |
| [03:42:55] | gr00ve: | maybe a missing module |
| [03:43:27] | gr00ve: | or module built/inserted w/o i2c support |
| [03:44:03] | darkdrgn2k: | almost looks like i left debugging on in the moduile |
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| [03:46:13] | opello: | gremgrem: nobody? :) |
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| [03:47:16] | gremgrem: | opello, no one was talking about it :) |
| [03:47:21] | opello: | gremgrem: what cx2388x message? maybe pastebin all the stuff between === START INIT IVTV === and the END |
| [03:47:46] | gremgrem: | opello, I wasn't using the BTTV driver... |
| [03:47:50] | opello: | and i'll brb :) maybe someone else that has a pvr150 will take a look :) |
| [03:47:56] | darkdrgn2k: | any way to see what params where used lirc_pvr150 debug=1 |
| [03:47:57] | darkdrgn2k: | lirc_pvr150 debug=1 |
| [03:47:58] | darkdrgn2k: | hmmm |
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| [03:48:14] | gremgrem: | opello, now I just recompiled with bttv driver |
| [03:50:32] | gremgrem: | opello, that did it... the recompile! |
| [03:51:23] | darkdrgn2k: | gr00ve: yeh it was blocking.. i just did time on each ofhte 4 irsends. firs one is .3 each subsequent one is is 3 |
| [03:51:27] | darkdrgn2k: | uhh 1 |
| [03:53:39] | gr00ve: | :) |
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| [03:59:18] | opello: | gremgrem: good deal |
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| [05:07:36] | levander: | I'm looking for a video card to build a MythTV box out of. Am hoping for HDTV output with hardware decoding. But, the PC I want to use for it only has an AGP 2x slot. I'm thinking nVidia 5200. Anybody know how straight I've got this? I'm new at this. |
| [05:08:35] | levander: | Oh wait, the 5200 used an 8x AGP slot, guess I can't get one of those. |
| [05:09:20] | evilDagmar: | "Speed of an AGP bus is always backwards compatible." |
| [05:09:46] | levander: | evilDagmar: oh, great, didn't know this |
| [05:09:56] | levander: | evilDagmar: But will HDTV run through an AGP 2x slot fast enough? |
| [05:10:23] | evilDagmar: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Graphics_Port |
| [05:10:59] | levander: | evilDagmar: I should check wikipedia more often |
| [05:11:40] | levander: | evilDagmar: You know if 533 MB/s is fast enough for AGP? |
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| [05:12:56] | levander: | 533 MB/s is apparently how fast AGP 2x is. |
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| [05:15:56] | levander: | Well, wikipedia says 1080i is 1920 * 1080 pixels interlaced encoding with 50 fields (25 frames) per second. |
| [05:16:37] | levander: | So, 1920 * 1080 * 50 / 1024 (for KB's) / 1024 (for MB's) = 99 MB's |
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| [05:17:18] | kormoc: | that would be uncompressed and you're still not counting color depth |
| [05:17:20] | levander: | So, based on my completed uneducated math 533 MB/s > 99 MB/s, so the answer is yes, AGP 2x is fast enough? |
| [05:17:40] | levander: | kormoc: good point |
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| [05:17:50] | kormoc: | but hdtv is mpeg2 (usually) and is never more then say 20 megabits per second |
| [05:18:15] | kormoc: | and keep in mind, while agp speeds are backwards compatable, agp port *voltages* are not always backwards compatable |
| [05:18:32] | levander: | kormoc: even better point |
| [05:19:01] | levander: | kormoc: i saw that the voltages are the same for AGP 1 and 2, but different for 4 and 8 on the wikipedia page. |
| [05:19:07] | kormoc: | aye |
| [05:19:19] | kormoc: | you'll need a card that expects the voltage that port can give out |
| [05:19:26] | kormoc: | so that likely limits you to 4x iirc? |
| [05:19:42] | kormoc: | http://www.ertyu.org/steven_nikkel/agpcompatibility.html |
| [05:19:45] | levander: | kormoc: so, for an AGP 2x port, I'll need an AGP 1x or 2x card only? |
| [05:20:07] | kormoc: | nah, some 4x cards are 1.5 volt |
| [05:20:12] | levander: | kormoc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Graphics_Port & ndash; that page says AGP 4x has different voltages than 1x and 2x |
| [05:20:16] | kormoc: | which your port should be able to use. |
| [05:20:39] | levander: | kormoc: okay, now i've got to find a 4x card with HDTV out, hardware encoding, and AGP 4x |
| [05:21:09] | kormoc: | well, according to wikipedia there, there isn't a 1.5v apg 2x port, so you might want to look it up in your mobo manual to be sure |
| [05:21:36] | levander: | kormoc: i got the manual here, looking it up |
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| [05:22:55] | evilDagmar: | *sigh* |
| [05:23:09] | evilDagmar: | If the card will fit into the slot it will work |
| [05:23:19] | evilDagmar: | A 5200 has no problems running at 2X |
| [05:23:28] | evilDagmar: | You guys are overthinking things with the voltage |
| [05:23:32] | levander: | evilDagmar: but man, how am i gonna know if it'll fit till i buy it? |
| [05:23:34] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, not if it's a 0.8 volt card stuck into a 1.5v slot... |
| [05:23:49] | levander: | evilDagmar: You've never bought a computer part to not have it work in your PC? |
| [05:23:51] | evilDagmar: | You won't have much luck getting that card in that slot |
| [05:23:55] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, please see the link I gave, it's linked from the wikipedia page, it says, and I quote |
| [05:23:55] | Z_Morek: | I have a question about the infernal "installing programs in their own directory" thing |
| [05:24:00] | evilDagmar: | levander: Occasionally. |
| [05:24:16] | kormoc: | " AGP specifies two keys, a 3.3V key and a 1.5V key. Unfortunately they added a third voltage, 0.8V. If a device operates at 0.8V it uses the 1.5V key and must be tolerant of 1.5V signalling, but not necessarily capable of operating at 1.5V" |
| [05:24:45] | Z_Morek: | *nub* do I need to create links or something to get it to work */nub* |
| [05:25:22] | evilDagmar: | It also says "A second feature introduced by Intel for the first time with the i440LX chipset was support for SDRAM, which provided for the extra bandwidth that AGP video cards consumed." |
| [05:25:26] | evilDagmar: | ...which is about as relevant. |
| [05:25:44] | kormoc: | Z_Morek, likely not, but you'll likely need to add any shared libs it uses to /etc/ld.so.conf and rerun the ldconfig |
| [05:26:12] | evilDagmar: | There is a *reason* AGP slots are keyed. |
| [05:26:12] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, not at all. if a 0.8v card won't work in a 1.5 v slot, it's very relevant to make sure it will work before buying it. |
| [05:26:15] | evilDagmar: | ...and that reason is voltage. |
| [05:26:23] | evilDagmar: | kormoc: Where did you get that idea? |
| [05:26:32] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, did you read what I posted? They added a *third* voltage that isn't keyed extra |
| [05:26:43] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, from your wikipedia link. |
| [05:26:52] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, they link to this page, http://www.ertyu.org/steven_nikkel/agpcompatibility.html |
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| [05:27:08] | evilDagmar: | kormoc: You need to work on your reading comprehension. 0.8V signaling is exclusively the domain of AGP8X cards. |
| [05:27:20] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, and I pasted the quote from the page that said, and I quote again, "f a device operates at 0.8V it uses the 1.5V key and must be tolerant of 1.5V signalling, but not necessarily capable of operating at 1.5V." |
| [05:27:35] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, not at all, 4x cards are sometimes 0.8v, see that same link |
| [05:27:39] | evilDagmar: | kormoc: No one, especially not nVidia, is making cards that don't work at 4X |
| [05:28:17] | mchou: | nvidia doesnt make video cards |
| [05:28:18] | evilDagmar: | kormoc: Okay, there's proof you have a reading comprehension problen. |
| [05:28:24] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, actually, my agp 8x nvidia 6200 does not work in my 4x agp, due to the voltage issue |
| [05:28:34] | evilDagmar: | That page says nothing about 0.8V AGP4X cards |
| [05:28:42] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, ooh? see the speed and signalling voltage chart |
| [05:28:52] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, "4x 0.8V or 1.5V" |
| [05:29:09] | evilDagmar: | kormos: Where's that on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Graphics_Port |
| [05:29:12] | levander: | I wish you guys would just paste me a link to a good card for me to buy for my box. ;) |
| [05:29:20] | mchou: | levander: lol |
| [05:29:21] | evilDagmar: | levander: Buy a real motherboard first |
| [05:29:23] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, on the link the wikipedia page links to |
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| [05:29:31] | mchou: | levander: heaven forbid! |
| [05:29:34] | evilDagmar: | kormoc: ...but not the page I referenced, as you claimed. |
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| [05:29:47] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, the page you references references that page |
| [05:29:53] | levander: | evilDagmar: buying a real motherboard takes the fun out of it |
| [05:30:00] | evilDagmar: | evilDagmar: But it's not the page I referenced. |
| [05:30:24] | mchou: | Dagmar: it's not the first time you been caught with your pants down |
| [05:30:28] | kormoc: | sure, but I'm saying, there's a conflict of info, and thus, Mr. levander should look it up in his manual |
| [05:30:36] | evilDagmar: | mchou: You can just fuck right off, troll. |
| [05:30:44] | mchou: | Dagmar: haha!! |
| [05:30:54] | levander: | brb, gotta smoke |
| [05:31:00] | evilDagmar: | kormoc: Considering I've got a 5200 that I was using in a 4X only board for a few years, I'm not thinking it's much of a risk. |
| [05:31:22] | kormoc: | ooh, I don't think it's much of a risk, but I rather be cautious when giving advice. |
| [05:31:29] | evilDagmar: | ...but with the board he's talking about having, he probably needs to replace it first. He's hurting for CPU |
| [05:31:43] | kormoc: | there's less harm in saying he should look into it more then saying, he should buy it and find out his board won't work |
| [05:32:14] | evilDagmar: | Well, unless he has a PCChips board or something, it's not what I would consider a risk. |
| [05:33:09] | evilDagmar: | MB manufs are rather sensitive to the idea that rumors of "incompatibility" with their boards and gamer's video cards are concerned |
| [05:33:17] | kormoc: | true enough |
| [05:33:47] | Z_Morek: | mythtv-setup can't connect to x-server... |
| [05:33:51] | Z_Morek: | hrm |
| [05:34:06] | levander: | evilDagmar: From what I've read, as long as I get a hardware encoding tuner, I'm fine? |
| [05:34:15] | evilDagmar: | Damn few boards actually don't signal at 1.5V is what I've seen of it, and you can't get a 3.3V board to fit in the AGP slot of a motherboard that does 3.3V only |
| [05:34:18] | levander: | evilDagmar: It's a dual pentium iii 550 I've got. |
| [05:34:25] | evilDagmar: | levander: For the record, how fast is your CPU again? |
| [05:34:29] | evilDagmar: | HAHA |
| [05:34:32] | levander: | evilDagmar: just above |
| [05:34:37] | evilDagmar: | Dude, you're not doing HDTV with that |
| [05:34:40] | evilDagmar: | It's just not happening |
| [05:34:45] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [05:35:00] | kormoc: | 2 ghz is 'required' |
| [05:35:09] | levander: | evilDagmar: Not with the CPU, I thought there were hardware HDTV encoder on tuner cards? |
| [05:35:13] | mchou: | sure it could happen. if he uses windows and a HW decoder |
| [05:35:13] | evilDagmar: | I was thinking to myself this whole time "how old is that board going to be that it doesn't do AGP4X?" |
| [05:35:30] | evilDagmar: | levander: you have plans to play this back, right? |
| [05:35:36] | kormoc: | levander, nah, you can't play back hd on that computer |
| [05:35:54] | mchou: | kormoc: huh??? |
| [05:36:01] | levander: | evilDagmar: i also thought nvidia had hardware decoders in their video cards? |
| [05:36:01] | mchou: | kormoc: sure he can |
| [05:36:05] | evilDagmar: | You might well be able to record, but you're not getting a 550Mhz CPU to play back 1080 |
| [05:36:15] | kormoc: | levander, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Example_CPU_Savings |
| [05:36:20] | mchou: | evilDagmar: again you are wrong |
| [05:36:25] | kormoc: | levander, there's the cpu savings XvMC can do |
| [05:36:58] | levander: | kormoc: evilDagmar: I can't do the decoding with a video card that does the decoding with hardware? |
| [05:37:05] | mchou: | levander: uses windows and a HW decoder |
| [05:37:08] | kormoc: | but note, the first cpu that can do it is a 1 ghz tbird, at 70% cpu with the hardware nvidia extentions |
| [05:37:14] | kormoc: | levander, not all of it, no |
| [05:37:15] | mchou: | levander: works great! |
| [05:37:20] | evilDagmar: | levander: Read the chart there and you'll see |
| [05:37:31] | levander: | mchou: no, not interested in windows, would just get a real motherboard before going to windows |
| [05:37:35] | kormoc: | levander, xvmc only helps with a small chunk of the decode process. there's still a ton of data on each frame to fling around |
| [05:37:48] | mchou: | levander: well, that's just too bad :) |
| [05:38:57] | mchou: | levander: otherwise the MyHD card would be ideal for ya :) |
| [05:39:14] | evilDagmar: | levander: ...and before you can ask, video decoding is still basically a single-threaded operation. Two CPUs does not equal ~1Ghz |
| [05:39:34] | kormoc: | levander, also keep in mind, your memory speeds arn't that fast, so that will add latency per frame that won't help matters much as well |
| [05:39:36] | evilDagmar: | levander: You should be able to doo full screen 480 with or without XvMC tho |
| [05:39:40] | opello: | unless they're both ~1ghz? :) |
| [05:39:54] | evilDagmar: | opello: Yeah, there is that |
| [05:40:24] | levander: | evilDagmar: yeah, i know how smp works, still catching up on the xvmc thing |
| [05:40:54] | evilDagmar: | levander: I can at least recommend the ASRock 939dual-SATA2 |
| [05:41:15] | levander: | evilDagmar: that's a motherboard? |
| [05:41:40] | evilDagmar: | After last week I'd chew my own fingers off than recommend an ASUS A8V model |
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| [05:42:21] | evilDagmar: | levander: yep. Takes 939-pin CPU or 940-pin AM2 (with a $30 daughterboard), AGP8X or PCI Express video cards, etc etc |
| [05:42:22] | levander: | okay, thanks guys, i just figured out that chart on mythtv.org enough to see how it says a Pentium III 933 Mhz isn't fast enough to decode HDTV even with xvmc |
| [05:42:50] | evilDagmar: | ...costs about $65 through NewEgg |
| [05:43:14] | levander: | evilDagmar: that's what you like about it? the price? the features don't sound that unusual |
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| [05:43:34] | evilDagmar: | levander: Damn few boards have *both* AGP and PCI Express video ports, man |
| [05:43:37] | Z_Morek: | which version of nvidia drivers should I use for debian? |
| [05:43:40] | JoelMax: | i have problem with PVR-500? |
| [05:43:46] | Z_Morek: | the most current one doesn't appear to work for me |
| [05:43:47] | evilDagmar: | What I like about it is that it *works* without a bitch |
| [05:44:01] | kormoc: | Z_Morek, so downgrade one version at a time till it works? |
| [05:44:13] | evilDagmar: | JoelMax: You should probably be using ivtv-0.7.0 |
| [05:44:20] | levander: | evilDagmar: If I'm getting a new PC, why do I care if it has both? I'll just get a video card that matches whatever slot I have on the motherboard. |
| [05:44:26] | JoelMax: | here is the video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6779167510064687070 |
| [05:44:54] | evilDagmar: | levander: It's still a cheap board, and most importantly, the PVR-500 I have *can't work in the ASUS A8V model boards* |
| [05:45:10] | Z_Morek: | there's so many versions *shudder* |
| [05:45:18] | JoelMax: | evilDagmar, yeah is using the ivtv-0.7.0 |
| [05:45:27] | levander: | JoelMax: looks like a cable channel you haven't subscribed to, so they've scrambled it. Did you pay your cable bill? |
| [05:45:52] | JoelMax: | yeah |
| [05:45:53] | levander: | evilDagmar: Ah, hell yeah, okay, now I see why you like it. |
| [05:46:08] | JoelMax: | but i can see all the channel good in windows xp |
| [05:46:16] | levander: | JoelMax: i was joking |
| [05:46:17] | evilDagmar: | levander: The only thing that bugs me is that I can't stick a splash screen directly into the BIOS. The chip's too small. I'm gonna hassle one of my local people next week to see about that tho |
| [05:46:22] | JoelMax: | :) |
| [05:46:36] | evilDagmar: | I went through hell trying to get those damn A8V boards to work. Gonna return 'em both tomorrow |
| [05:46:42] | JoelMax: | the trust is free :) |
| [05:47:11] | levander: | evilDagmar: Is their a logical reason they don't work that you found out? Or, they just don't work? |
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| [05:47:31] | evilDagmar: | levander: they dont' work because the BIOS isn't smart enough to be able to deal with seeing a *second* PCI Bridge |
| [05:47:59] | evilDagmar: | levander: When it would normally be trying to initialize the AGP port (which is on the far side of an AGP bridge) it winds up hitting the PVR-500 instead and locks right up |
| [05:48:01] | levander: | The PVR-500 puts a second PCI Bridge on your computer? |
| [05:48:05] | evilDagmar: | Yes. |
| [05:48:18] | evilDagmar: | That's why it took them about a week to get it out the door apparently. |
| [05:48:35] | JoelMax: | evilDagmar, do you watch the video? |
| [05:48:37] | evilDagmar: | They pretty much did just stick the circuits for a pair of PVR-150's on the far side of a PCI bridge chip |
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| [05:48:41] | evilDagmar: | JoelMax: yep. |
| [05:48:58] | evilDagmar: | JoelMax: All I gotta say about that is make sure you have the right firmware |
| [05:49:07] | levander: | Somebody needs to do a box guide for mythtv, like they do on arstechnica for the hot rod, god box, and budget box – i wonder how much traffic they'd get? |
| [05:49:20] | JoelMax: | i have ivtv-0.7.0 |
| [05:49:29] | evilDagmar: | That's not firmwarer |
| [05:49:37] | JoelMax: | this is the last |
| [05:49:38] | kormoc: | levander, too many fights over what cpu/memory/drives/etc :P |
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| [05:49:52] | evilDagmar: | JoelMax: read http://www.ivtvdriver.org's documentation |
| [05:49:58] | levander: | kormoc: the fights become content in the comments under the guide |
| [05:50:02] | haj: | levander: it's seen as two PCI-devices by Linux... |
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| [05:50:20] | kormoc: | levander, feel free to toss it into the wiki :P |
| [05:50:21] | levander: | haj: ahh, now i understand what he menat by bridge |
| [05:50:32] | haj: | 04:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01) |
| [05:50:35] | haj: | 04:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01) |
| [05:50:37] | JoelMax: | do you thing i need codecs? |
| [05:50:42] | evilDagmar: | levander: When you do an lspci you'll see one of the bus id's numbers is different from every other card in the box |
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| [05:51:04] | levander: | evilDagmar: okay, i've seen that before trying to configure X |
| [05:51:07] | levander: | X-windows |
| [05:51:09] | evilDagmar: | In that case, the 04 |
| [05:51:15] | kormoc: | JoelMax, you'll need the firmware that tells the card what to do, aye |
| [05:51:37] | kormoc: | JoelMax, the card's stupid. it doesn't remember what it's suposto do, so you have to give it the firmware on each boot so it knows how to record |
| [05:51:38] | levander: | evilDagmar: that really sucks they can't see two bridges, i thought that was pretty basic from reading about lspci when trying to configure X-Windows |
| [05:51:41] | evilDagmar: | Yeah, the AGP card sits across a PCI bridge, which is why it usually shows as 01: and not 00: like the other PCI bards |
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| [05:52:27] | opello: | 0000:02:08.0 and 0000:02:09.0 on mine, interesting |
| [05:52:29] | evilDagmar: | levander: No, what sucks is that I emailed ASUS about it, and apparently they have trained chickens doing triage on support email. I got a template email back from them about _troubleshooting integrated sound chipset issues_ |
| [05:53:03] | evilDagmar: | Compared to that, the fact that the boards can't use the card is hardly even frownworthy |
| [05:53:07] | levander: | evilDagmar: Actually, I'm kind of glad you've destroyed my dream of building an HDTV DVR out of this old dual Pentium III box. I've been meaning to do it for a couple of years, and some reason or another it falls through. Now I can forget it and just spend some money when I want one. |
| [05:53:23] | evilDagmar: | levander: in the meantime, just make that dual box into a fileserver |
| [05:54:04] | mchou: | levander: bah. get rid of the box. It sucks too much electricity anyways |
| [05:54:11] | opello: | heh |
| [05:54:16] | levander: | evilDagmar: I do some web development, it's already a web and database server, oh wait, i've got samba on it, so I guess I am doing some ad hoc file serving, maybe i'll just organize the file serving off it better now that that's it's permanent job |
| [05:54:26] | evilDagmar: | levander: Sounds like a plan |
| [05:55:12] | levander: | evilDagmar: I still need a quiet video card for it though, the Matrox G400 in there is noisy, I need something fanless, then it can sit in peace as a file server till it dies. |
| [05:55:56] | evilDagmar: | So get one of those 60mm vantec "stealth" fans and just stick it on there in place of the current fan. :) |
| [05:56:25] | kormoc: | levander, or just take the videocard out and use it headless via ssh? :P |
| [05:56:31] | levander: | evilDagmar: it's a proprietary fan size, |
| [05:56:38] | evilDagmar: | Why you even have a video card in it I can't imagine |
| [05:56:55] | levander: | kormoc: that's not a bad idea, but wonder if i'll ever be desperate for a video display on it? |
| [05:57:01] | evilDagmar: | levander: Yeah, but 60mm is close and screws don't really care what size a heat sink is so long as they can get in between the fins |
| [05:57:33] | levander: | evilDagmar: occasionally i switch over and log into it, not often, i'm actually ssh'd into it now, and running emac's irc client on it to talk to you guys |
| [05:57:50] | levander: | evilDagmar: maybe, is probably worth a try |
| [05:57:51] | kormoc: | levander, there's always vnc |
| [05:58:07] | evilDagmar: | I do more than half my devel work logged in over ssh, and my firewall hasn't had a video card in it in years |
| [05:58:12] | levander: | kormoc: but if i have trouble with the network card.... |
| [05:58:34] | evilDagmar: | levander: Realistically, how often has that happened? |
| [05:58:40] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, iirc, my g400 was more like a 20mm fan tho, but that could be misremembering |
| [05:58:42] | levander: | evilDagmar: you've just never had a problem with that box that has had to be fixed? |
| [05:58:45] | kormoc: | levander, heh, fair nuff |
| [05:58:49] | evilDagmar: | kormoc: two centimeters? |
| [05:59:01] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, yeah, tiny little thing |
| [05:59:03] | levander: | evilDagmar: I remember once about a year ago, I had to boot it into single user mode to run fsck |
| [05:59:24] | levander: | evilDagmar: i might could have run fsck over ssh on bootup, not sure |
| [05:59:31] | evilDagmar: | levander: Generally, my equipment either runs or dies completely. If I have to do hardware diagnosis, it gets spread across my workbench so whatever it was missing when I had it in production doesn't much matter. |
| [05:59:56] | levander: | evilDagmar: yeah, i see what you're saying |
| [06:00:35] | kormoc: | levander, fair nuff. I have my headless server setup with mirroring disks, and so far, in the past few years, I've only needed a local display on it once, due to hardware changes |
| [06:00:37] | evilDagmar: | ext3 means never having to say fsck anyway, and a cheap UPS can eliminate those 2–3 times a year normal people lose power |
| [06:01:08] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, even ext3 hard-fscks every 20 mounts or so by default :P |
| [06:01:12] | evilDagmar: | Where I am, I didn't get any slack from Mother Nature. I've already lost power more times than that in the past week |
| [06:01:34] | evilDagmar: | kormoc: Whose default? I always slap the thing with tune2fs -j -c 0 -i 0 |
| [06:01:48] | kormoc: | mke2fs 's defaults :P |
| [06:01:49] | evilDagmar: | If that's going to fail, it will be due to a bug in ext3, and then all bets would be off anyway |
| [06:01:57] | levander: | Did APC ever get their software that will shut down your PC based on a signal from your UPS working on Linux? |
| [06:02:09] | kormoc: | I still let my hardware hard fsck, as I'm rather patent |
| [06:02:14] | kormoc: | levander, depends on the UPS |
| [06:02:19] | evilDagmar: | I don't use bulldog, but it's available |
| [06:02:36] | kormoc: | there's also apcd |
| [06:02:37] | levander: | kormoc: it used to be that software only worked on windows though, they support linux now some? |
| [06:02:55] | levander: | kormoc: i haven't looked into apcd, gonna check it now |
| [06:03:13] | evilDagmar: | apcd is what I use |
| [06:03:34] | kormoc: | iirc it's limited to serial and certain usb acp upses? |
| [06:03:58] | levander: | kormoc: yeah, i was about to say that, that's what this description of apcd says |
| [06:04:06] | levander: | the description i'm looking at |
| [06:04:10] | Z_Morek: | I completely forgot how to set my cc environment variable and google isn't helping |
| [06:04:29] | levander: | is bulldog and apcd alternative? |
| [06:04:29] | evilDagmar: | For me the hard part was getting the Windows box to listen for the network broadcast in the case of a power-down event |
| [06:04:30] | kormoc: | Z_Morek, set it to? |
| [06:04:45] | Z_Morek: | I have gcc 4 and gcc 4.1 installed |
| [06:04:50] | evilDagmar: | levander: Bulldog is the software APC ships for use with their UPSes |
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| [06:05:03] | kormoc: | Z_Morek, yeah? and you want to? |
| [06:05:05] | evilDagmar: | levander: It's generally a bigger pain in the ass than APCD |
| [06:05:11] | Z_Morek: | in order to install the nvidia driver I need to switch it to 4 in order to match with the kernel headers I have |
| [06:05:27] | Z_Morek: | I believe it's set to 4.1 now |
| [06:05:30] | levander: | evilDagmar: yeah, it's probably better just to get the easier, older serial way then |
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| [06:05:35] | Z_Morek: | and I'm forgetting the command |
| [06:06:01] | kormoc: | Z_Morek, that depends on your distro |
| [06:06:18] | Z_Morek: | debian |
| [06:06:33] | Z_Morek: | I've done it once before |
| [06:06:41] | Z_Morek: | shoulda wrote it down or something |
| [06:06:49] | kormoc: | you could use your history command and see if it's still in your history |
| [06:07:25] | Z_Morek: | oh wow it's WAY up there |
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| [06:09:08] | Z_Morek: | and I'm misconfiguring something else yay |
| [06:10:30] | Z_Morek: | why do today what you can put off to tomorrow |
| [06:10:36] | Z_Morek: | adios |
| [06:10:57] | evilDagmar: | I should clarify that the ASRock board I mentioned earlier has a PCIe x16 slot for video, and one PCIe x1 slot for the soon-to-be ubiquitous gigabit ethernet card |
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| [09:51:41] | JohnQ: | I'm doing an upgrade of mythtv on debian.. and when it tries to configure mythtv-database I get the error "Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1." But I never set a mysql password for root... why would it fail? |
| [09:56:43] | Anduin: | JohnQ: A distro channel may be better |
| [09:57:00] | JohnQ: | why? its a mythtv bug... |
| [09:57:18] | Anduin: | JohnQ: Oh yeah, clearly. |
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| [09:58:06] | JohnQ: | yeah.. its painfully clear actully.. mythtv cant log into mysql.. but every other thing that uses mysql (including me at the console) can. |
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| [09:59:43] | Juski: | JohnQ: it's not a bug. there's no root password for mysql, but the script is trying to use a password, hence the failure. sheesh |
| [10:01:19] | Juski: | anyway if it's an upgrade you hardly want to install mythtv-database again |
| [10:01:28] | Juski: | i.e. if you have a database already |
| [10:01:50] | JohnQ: | Sure I do... but I certainly dont want to remove it either.. |
| [10:02:05] | Juski: | so? |
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| [10:02:29] | stuarta: | morning all |
| [10:02:29] | JohnQ: | so.. basically my options are upgrade it or remove it. upgrade sounds a lot less bad. |
| [10:02:33] | Juski: | that script only does the mysql < mc.sql step AFAIK |
| [10:02:57] | JohnQ: | Thats fine.. so it wont hurt anything anyway. |
| [10:03:18] | Juski: | you should certainly back up the old db before upgrading – cos you prolly wont be able to revert back if it goes wrong |
| [10:04:51] | Merlin83b: | Morning stuarta. |
| [10:05:24] | Juski: | morning stuarta :) |
| [10:05:34] | stuarta: | how are we all today? |
| [10:06:04] | Juski: | slightly harrassed. I need to tidy my desk. you? |
| [10:06:19] | stuarta: | box of fluffy ducks. |
| [10:06:44] | Merlin83b: | I'm currently weighing up what to do next, having caught up with various mails and things. |
| [10:06:50] | Merlin83b: | I may play with LVS. |
| [10:06:57] | stuarta: | LVS is good |
| [10:07:12] | Merlin83b: | Yeah, I've seen presentations and read the website lots. |
| [10:07:21] | Merlin83b: | Time to whack it on a machine and see what happens I think. |
| [10:07:35] | stuarta: | in general, what you expect it to do :) |
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| [10:08:14] | Merlin83b: | Yeah, but then I have to force some other software to work with NFS based storage in a cluster when it really wasn't designed to. |
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| [10:08:51] | stuarta: | nothing is ever completely straight forward :) |
| [10:09:31] | Merlin83b: | I wouldn't have a job if it was. |
| [10:10:01] | stuarta: | if possible, they'd get away with using monkeys. |
| [10:10:20] | Merlin83b: | In this case, they==me :-) |
| [10:12:07] | stuarta: | i may be a monkey.... |
| [10:12:29] | ** stuarta ponders what to fix today.... ** | |
| [10:17:19] | stuarta: | i love this postfix policydaemon. autoblacklisting of spammers is great... |
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| [10:47:11] | sean33: | hi people having some problems playing a movie , voice and subwoofer are not working ... no voices :( |
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| [10:47:55] | Juski: | no subwoofer? disaster! |
| [10:48:08] | sean33: | no voice is worce |
| [10:48:20] | Juski: | that's a matter of opinion |
| [10:48:38] | sean33: | lol |
| [10:48:54] | Juski: | get a digital amplifier/receiver & solve the problem AND increase the quality in one go |
| [10:50:05] | sean33: | good plan but thats not going to help me now is it |
| [10:50:25] | Juski: | sean33: check your mixer settings :) |
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| [10:51:43] | sean33: | yea I have looked at that but cant seem to find a voice channel ? |
| [10:51:51] | Juski: | center |
| [10:51:57] | Juski: | not voice |
| [10:52:00] | Juski: | center (sic) |
| [10:52:40] | Juski: | subwoofer would be called LFE (low freq. effects) |
| [10:52:55] | sean33: | yea alsamixer says that its 100% on center |
| [10:53:21] | Juski: | ah but is it un-muted? |
| [10:54:07] | sean33: | yea its green 00 not MM |
| [10:54:39] | Juski: | check it's not coming out of the wrong socket. sometimes drivers lie |
| [10:56:24] | sean33: | could it be something in xine ? |
| [10:57:17] | sean33: | yea have checked the sockets and connections , tested with headphones to make sure there was no signal |
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| [10:59:39] | Juski: | could be pebcak |
| [10:59:51] | Juski: | could be the source material isn't 5.1 |
| [10:59:56] | sean33: | pebcak ? |
| [11:00:10] | ** Juski wonders if there are any multichannel audio test programs out there ** | |
| [11:00:16] | sean33: | right ok |
| [11:00:46] | sean33: | hmmm i can play the video on my windows pc and look at the file specs |
| [11:01:02] | Juski: | definitely check xine's settings. that can do software downmixing & all sorts |
| [11:01:34] | Juski: | never played with analogue surround since I junked my prologic receiver |
| [11:02:53] | sean33: | ok vlc says its 6 channel Audioo a52 codec 48000Hz xvid 720x304 |
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| [11:24:14] | sean33: | could it be my xine command line currently is xine -pfhqgBH --no-splash %s |
| [11:24:52] | Juski: | what's the gBH all about? |
| [11:26:07] | sean33: | i dunno |
| [11:26:55] | sean33: | i just removed the gBH lol now its working :) |
| [11:27:25] | sean33: | but i thinkk its only 2.1 |
| [11:28:27] | sean33: | bugger got voice but not in the center channel ... aaak |
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| [11:30:09] | Juski: | g is for hide gui |
| [11:30:17] | Juski: | B is borderless |
| [11:30:28] | Juski: | H hides the video window |
| [11:30:45] | Juski: | nothing to do with audio options |
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| [11:32:19] | Juski: | hiya scopeuk |
| [11:33:28] | Juski: | sean33: start xine up outside of mythtv & play with its audio settings |
| [11:33:48] | sean33: | yea thats what im doing at the moment |
| [11:34:40] | Juski: | it's a minefield but hopefully something you only need set once |
| [11:35:15] | Juski: | time to play with the magic glue :) |
| [11:35:33] | ** stuarta passes Juski the glue pot ** | |
| [11:36:34] | Juski: | first task is to remember how to return a query into a variable |
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| [11:37:55] | stuarta: | Juski: sounds like time to RTFM :) |
| [11:38:33] | DrNickRiviera: | i'm trying to compile svn of mythplugins but when i run make i get a series of errors like this one: main.cpp:20:30: error: mythtv/exitcodes.h: No such file or directory |
| [11:38:41] | DrNickRiviera: | anyone know what could be causing this? |
| [11:39:06] | stuarta: | normally it's not installing mythtv before building |
| [11:39:12] | stuarta: | but I assume you'd have done that |
| [11:39:36] | Juski: | stuarta: yes indeed :) |
| [11:39:55] | DrNickRiviera: | yeah |
| [11:40:30] | DrNickRiviera: | where is it looking for these files, in the path where myth is installed, or in the directory where the mythplugins checkout is? |
| [11:41:01] | DrNickRiviera: | because i found all these files in my myth checkout, but i wouldn't have thought that was relevant to compiling mythplugins |
| [11:41:29] | stuarta: | the configure for the plugins should pickup the correct location. |
| [11:41:41] | ** stuarta crosses fingers ** | |
| [11:42:16] | Juski: | good old DBI. gotta love it |
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| [11:43:09] | DrNickRiviera: | well i even added a symlink to mythtv/libs/libmyth in the mythplugins directory |
| [11:43:16] | DrNickRiviera: | but that didn't change anything either |
| [11:44:02] | Juski: | damn. i don't wanna use arrays. brain starting to hurt |
| [11:44:26] | stuarta: | they aren't that bad.... |
| [11:45:02] | stuarta: | i had to convert file handles into scalar values to graph the BE memory consumption.... |
| [11:45:09] | Juski: | heh |
| [11:45:32] | Juski: | I've done this in php before |
| [11:45:51] | stuarta: | fairly similar |
| [11:45:58] | DrNickRiviera: | ok, now i'm completely confused, removed the --disable-mytharchive and now it compiles fine |
| [11:46:15] | DrNickRiviera: | don't see how that can be related but as long as it's working i'm happy :) |
| [11:46:55] | stuarta: | DrNickRiviera: now that sounds like a bug. prob from the mytharchive integration |
| [11:54:14] | Juski: | hmm little by little... |
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| [11:58:58] | gardengnome: | morning guys |
| [12:01:14] | Juski: | morning gardengnome |
| [12:01:33] | Juski: | so now I have a script wot gets all the program names etc from the db. yay |
| [12:03:02] | Juski: | now to turn chanid into a channel name |
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| [12:06:29] | [pyro]: | hey guys, anyone have any suggestions for a mobo for opteron cpus? |
| [12:06:57] | [pyro]: | i have 2 of them, wanting to build a couple of myth box's :) |
| [12:08:55] | evilDagmar: | I dunno. Something gold-plated would probably be appropriate |
| [12:09:05] | [pyro]: | lol |
| [12:09:08] | Juski: | can you spell o v e r k i l l ? |
| [12:09:09] | DrNickRiviera: | now i am completely confused, it built mytharchive without any problems |
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| [12:09:22] | DrNickRiviera: | and then i got the same errors as earlier when it started on mythbrowser |
| [12:09:23] | evilDagmar: | DrNickRiviera: Bad ram bad ram! Run away! |
| [12:09:42] | [pyro]: | Juski: yeah for sure. i have been thinking of selling them on ebay.. but id rather use them |
| [12:10:07] | evilDagmar: | [pyro]: Sell them and buy a more sensible 64-bit dual-core 4000+ and a terabyte or two of disk |
| [12:10:23] | evilDagmar: | .5Tb drives are $200USD now |
| [12:11:09] | [pyro]: | evilDagmar: well, thats a possibility.. but id rather just find a mobo for the cpu's i have. Id save a shitload of time :) |
| [12:11:28] | evilDagmar: | Well, let's do the usual research... |
| [12:11:30] | stuarta: | [pyro]: work out what socket they are, then go shopping |
| [12:11:35] | evilDagmar: | We'll pester NewEgg's search engine. :) |
| [12:12:26] | [pyro]: | stuarta: yes ive looked around, but there doesnt seem to be anything on the smaller side. As we all know... opteron geared more toward server / top end workstation.. |
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| [12:12:53] | stuarta: | hmmm, socket 939? |
| [12:12:58] | [pyro]: | so everythings on the "larger" side... also comes with fans that say "look teh hell at meee!" LD |
| [12:13:03] | [pyro]: | yeah 939 |
| [12:13:35] | JohnQ: | is there a way to clear and re-download the tv listings? Mine seem a little.. Off.. and I'd like to purge them and re populate the db. |
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| [12:13:53] | stuarta: | JohnQ: in mysql. delete from program; |
| [12:14:04] | JohnQ: | thanks |
| [12:14:19] | DrNickRiviera: | evilDagmar: you really think the ram could be the problem? |
| [12:14:23] | TPC: | hello, I just bought an usb tv card, and now I'm wondering how I can figure out if it works under linux. If it doesn't work I'll return it to the store. |
| [12:14:35] | stuarta: | DrNickRiviera: I doubt that's the problem. |
| [12:14:48] | TPC: | The card is an Pinnacle PCTV 50e |
| [12:14:58] | TPC: | is there a list of supported cards or something somewhere? |
| [12:15:07] | stuarta: | TPC: www.linuxtv.org |
| [12:15:14] | TPC: | ok |
| [12:15:34] | DrNickRiviera: | i don't see how it could be the case that it tries to access the files twice and it works fine the first time but fails the second |
| [12:15:47] | stuarta: | TPC: you may end up having to run the latest kernel with the latest hg linuxtv repository tho |
| [12:16:30] | DrNickRiviera: | especially as 20 minutes ago it failed first time round too |
| [12:16:47] | TPC: | stuarta, what section of that webstie should I be looking at? |
| [12:16:59] | TPC: | which one of the wikis? |
| [12:17:13] | stuarta: | you'll have to hunt around. |
| [12:17:16] | TPC: | ok |
| [12:17:44] | Juski: | TPC: maybe the dvb wiki |
| [12:18:11] | Juski: | and next time, check the list before buying ;) |
| [12:18:13] | JohnQ: | Has anyone ever had the channels be randomly off by one? Daily show is showing up as being sometimes channel 57 and sometimes 56.. |
| [12:19:05] | TPC: | Juski, it was an impulse buy, I hadn't planned it |
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| [12:19:16] | TPC: | Juski, I'll be in the area of the store tomorrow, if it doesn't work I'll just return it |
| [12:19:22] | evilDagmar: | JohnQ: Do you have more than one tuner in that machine? |
| [12:19:24] | Juski: | ooo shiny things... SHINY THINGS! |
| [12:19:28] | Juski: | lol |
| [12:19:40] | evilDagmar: | Pretty pretty shiny shiny or something |
| [12:19:49] | JohnQ: | Sort of... its a pvr-500 |
| [12:19:58] | Juski: | hrm. work or work on scripting? tough one |
| [12:20:30] | evilDagmar: | JohnQ: Sounds like you defined them one at a time and maybe messed up the second one, or you should check the output in your syslog when it loaded and see if it's getting obviously confused about something |
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| [12:21:26] | JohnQ: | I emptied the program table like ou said and it seems to be getting correct data now. Maybe I did screw something up before. |
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| [12:23:26] | evilDagmar: | It happens |
| [12:23:49] | Juski: | what is it with these segfaults when theme elements are missing? where's the sanity checking? |
| [12:24:04] | evilDagmar: | Sanity checking? HAHAHHA |
| [12:24:55] | stuarta: | Juski: it complains sometimes.... *shrug* |
| [12:24:57] | evilDagmar: | THe thing about that which I find most amusing, is that this is in C++, right? So "object inheritance" is not supposed to be an entirely alien concept |
| [12:25:39] | evilDagmar: | ...so the "proper" thing to do would be to generate a default theme object, and then import the custom theme data and apply over the top of that object so you can't actually have anything left undefined to cause segfaults. |
| [12:25:40] | Juski: | I mean like gimme an error message that the element is missing in all cases, don't just crash |
| [12:27:40] | evilDagmar: | I'm a bit astonished that it's not being done that way, actually, since it's xml and all |
| [12:27:46] | evilDagmar: | Probably in 0.21 or something |
| [12:28:22] | stuarta: | i've seen some error messages about missing theme components, so it's partly there... |
| [12:28:33] | Juski: | just not all there yet. fair nuff |
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| [12:28:49] | evilDagmar: | Missing elements should default to sometehing obviously unwanted, so you can spot the garish purple and orange elements |
| [12:29:00] | stuarta: | just dunno if anyone knows about it.... |
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| [12:30:31] | Juski: | missing .xml files default to the default xml files provided already |
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| [12:30:46] | Juski: | just not the internal elements of said xml files |
| [12:32:08] | stuarta: | ahh.... |
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| [12:42:29] | JohnQ: | has anyone made a plugin for mythtv that makes it record shows based on guesses like a tivo does? |
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| [12:43:49] | qu0zl: | look for mythrecommend and tvwish, or maybe myth suggest |
| [12:43:56] | qu0zl: | i can't remember the exact names JohnQ |
| [12:43:59] | qu0zl: | i use them myself |
| [12:44:45] | JohnQ: | cool.. thanks. |
| [12:45:11] | JohnQ: | (I'm assuming they all take lower priority than everything else?) |
| [12:48:06] | qu0zl: | yeah -91 by default i think, but it's configurable anyway |
| [12:48:14] | qu0zl: | it's in perl so you can edit it yourself if you're into self-harm |
| [12:48:47] | JohnQ: | Oh baby! |
| [12:50:22] | JohnQ: | hehe all three of them exist :-) |
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| [12:53:30] | qu0zl: | i use the 2 that don't send your programme info to a master backend to get suggestions from similar users choices JohnQ |
| [12:53:36] | qu0zl: | just becuase that one, whichever it is, never worked :) |
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| [13:01:52] | dopez: | i'm trying to figure out if it is possible to get a mythfrontend running on a xen domU (biggest trouble might be getting dri working as its a via epia and needs it for xvmc i guess?) anyone here tried this already perhaps? |
| [13:03:33] | stuarta: | not personally, but I'd say you would have more success with the backend in a domU and the frontend in dom0 or on a different box |
| [13:03:52] | stuarta: | mainly due to limitations accessing graphics hardware from domU's |
| [13:04:23] | dopez: | yeah, thats what i thought also, probably allot easier to just run the frontend on dom0 then (or a different box) |
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| [13:07:05] | dopez: | well i guess it is a nice excuse to get myself a nice new frontend :) |
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| [13:09:35] | Juski: | JohnQ: don't forget you'll be at the marcy of the program categories.. which ain't always truthful |
| [13:09:46] | Juski: | s/marcy/mercy |
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| [13:13:35] | JohnQ: | Juski: Thanks for the warning :-) |
| [13:18:13] | JohnQ: | Bye all! |
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| [13:22:52] | Juski: | yeah someone labelled 'X-factor' as entertainment.. wtf were they thinking? :-P |
| [13:25:02] | stuarta: | sadly there's no category labelled "shit" |
| [13:25:56] | Juski: | that would be funny though :) |
| [13:26:23] | ** stuarta watches another spammer get trapped & rejected... ** | |
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| [13:28:04] | Juski: | if ($name="ITV1" or $name="ITV2") $category_Override="crapola"; |
| [13:28:09] | Kelerion: | afternoon all :) |
| [13:28:21] | Juski: | afternoon Kelerion :) |
| [13:28:27] | stuarta: | afternoon Kelerion |
| [13:29:12] | stuarta: | update category="shit" where title like '%Big Brother%'; |
| [13:29:35] | stuarta: | update category="shit" where title like '%Big Brother%' or title like "%X factor"; |
| [13:29:39] | Kelerion: | oh.. we playing sql games? lol |
| [13:30:17] | Beirdo: | or title like '%Eastenders%' |
| [13:30:18] | stuarta: | you can tell Juski's been playing with perl, his was in perl :) |
| [13:30:35] | Kelerion: | looks like php to me :) |
| [13:30:55] | Kelerion: | 'ish.. lol |
| [13:30:57] | stuarta: | or concept="reality tv" |
| [13:31:31] | Beirdo: | hehe, there's a morning show here called "Morning Breath" |
| [13:31:41] | Beirdo: | I'm afraid to watch it, it might stink real bad |
| [13:33:33] | gardengnome: | hehe. especially on saturday morning, after a long night out... |
| [13:34:49] | Juski: | oo I need to buy a hdd power cable pin extractor |
| [13:35:05] | Juski: | not so I can rice up my cables though, honest! |
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| [14:24:28] | hatredx: | myth compile fine in x86_64? |
| [14:24:44] | ** stuarta nods ** | |
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| [14:35:00] | Hoxzer: | s |
| [14:36:12] | Machtyn: | anyone here using Ubuntu 6.06, mysql 5.0 and having issues with mythfilldatabase? |
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| [14:40:22] | Machtyn: | okay, my question: apparently you can't use mysql 5.0 with mythtv 0.18 or lower. (ubuntu only installs 0.18 through its package manager). I tried to do the manual myth install, but each time I try to ./configure, it tells me I need Lame encoding library. I have installed Lame, but it keeps giving this message. Attempting to continue with "qmake mythtv.pro", I get told to run ./configure again |
| [14:40:42] | Machtyn: | any ideas how I can continue? |
| [14:40:52] | qu0zl: | you need the lame-dev package too |
| [14:41:00] | Machtyn: | ok, thx |
| [14:41:38] | gardengnome: | Machtyn: take a look at the channel faq if you want binary packagers for 0.19. |
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| [15:07:42] | Machtyn: | okay, I realize this may be a stupid question, and probably not the right place to ask it, but here goes nothing: For Ubuntu, should I get the Debian packages, Mandrake, or Redhat/FC RPMS? (I'm thinking Debian) |
| [15:08:23] | stuarta: | good guess. sure there's a ubuntu howto somewhere.... |
| [15:09:21] | qu0zl: | Machtyn, i think there are unofficial .19 packages for ubuntu out there |
| [15:09:34] | qu0zl: | have a thorough google. i build my own but i'm sure i saw some |
| [15:10:21] | mchou: | Machtyn: for Ubuntu you should get Ubuntu pkgs |
| [15:10:54] | mchou: | Machtyn: the closest "relative" is Debian |
| [15:11:12] | Machtyn: | qu0zl: I tried your suggestion to get lame-dev, but an apt-get install lame-dev failed (package not found) |
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| [15:11:33] | gardengnome: | Machtyn: liblame-dev. apt-get build-dep mythtv if you've got the deb-src entries. |
| [15:11:58] | qu0zl: | Machtyn, i dont know the exact package name off the top of my head. do apt-cache search lame, and check for it |
| [15:12:16] | qu0zl: | btw, http://ubuntu.systemadministrator.org/dists/dapper/mythtv/ |
| [15:12:49] | Machtyn: | gg: thx. I checked out the channel faq and attempted to add the deb-src entry it mentioned, but it said I had the latest 0.18 :9 |
| [15:14:05] | qu0zl: | liblame-dev is the ubuntu pkg name |
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| [15:16:22] | qu0zl: | hmm i just added those 2 repositories to my ubuntu box, apt-get update'd, and it finds the .19 mythtv from it if i do an apt-get install mythtv, Machtyn. Might be worth giving that another go |
| [15:16:28] | qu0zl: | got to be easier than compiling your own |
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| [15:17:46] | Machtyn: | qu0zl. yeah, I did the same, but I got "mythtv is already the newest version. mythbrowser is..." :/ |
| [15:18:18] | Machtyn: | I did get the lame-dev installed, ./configure worked, now trying the qmake mythtv.pro command. wish me luck, heh |
| [15:18:25] | qu0zl: | cool, good luck with it |
| [15:18:43] | qu0zl: | if you get other errors saying you need to install a package you know you have installed, do an apt-cache search for dev versions of it |
| [15:19:59] | Machtyn: | ok. I will keep that in mind. I've currently got the make running. |
| [15:24:05] | kslater: | hey guys, helping my brother build out his first mythbox, is there a part / version number for a PVR-500? |
| [15:26:04] | kslater: | seem to be serveral choices on newegg. I know which PVR-250 to choose. Not sure on the 500 though. |
| [15:26:22] | kslater: | s/serveral/several |
| [15:26:45] | mchou: | kslater: there are only two versions of pvr500 afaik |
| [15:26:55] | mchou: | normal and low profile |
| [15:27:12] | mchou: | and there is ntsc and pal |
| [15:27:27] | kslater: | ok. it's NTSC we're talking |
| [15:27:31] | mchou: | but if you go thru newegg pal ain a choice |
| [15:27:33] | kslater: | seems to be model 1081 |
| [15:27:39] | mchou: | aint* |
| [15:28:10] | kslater: | then there's an MCE 253 version with remote |
| [15:28:16] | kslater: | 1081 doesn't include it |
| [15:28:24] | kslater: | I don't like the MCE in there, scares me |
| [15:28:29] | mchou: | bah. you wont need no stinking remote :) |
| [15:29:21] | mchou: | virtually any remote receiver works with lirc |
| [15:29:23] | Machtyn: | qu0zl: oh, look, ubuntu finally recognized the latest versions, hehe |
| [15:30:27] | kslater: | mchou: the remote rx included just makes it easy for me |
| [15:30:51] | mchou: | kslater: then by all means go ahead and get it |
| [15:33:31] | qu0zl: | kslater, why are you getting a pvr250 as well as a pvr500? |
| [15:34:09] | kslater: | it was a choice of one or the other |
| [15:34:16] | qu0zl: | ahh |
| [15:34:24] | qu0zl: | get the 500 if you can afford it :) |
| [15:34:36] | kslater: | I seem to recall some detail where MCE PVR cards weren't the real deal in some respect |
| [15:34:57] | qu0zl: | friend of mine bought a mce 500 recently and it works fine for him in ubuntu |
| [15:34:58] | kslater: | maybe it was PVR-150 MCE cards? |
| [15:35:04] | qu0zl: | only difference i can see is it gets a remote |
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| [15:35:56] | kslater: | brother just decided to keep the pvr-250 for now and if this one goes well, we'll build another one |
| [15:39:21] | Machtyn: | hmm, I may have a slight issue with adding the ubuntu.systemadministrator.org site to my list. it complains about not having a gpg key. do I need to generate that? |
| [15:39:41] | stuarta: | download it from their website |
| [15:40:00] | Machtyn: | okay, where do I put it? |
| [15:40:39] | Machtyn: | oh, nevermind I RTFM |
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| [15:44:39] | ** Juski plays a fanfare (somebody RTFM'd !) ** | |
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| [15:45:06] | Screwy: | anyone know of a good current (ver 10.1) mythtv Suse install guide? |
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| [15:45:58] | Screwy: | or better yet (since ver 10.0 detects my wireless card) a ver 10.0 suse/mythtv install guide? |
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| [15:47:10] | Screwy: | I've doen some searching, lots of goolge searches, lots of ask.com searches, and any that I have found have either broken links, or outdated software/instructions |
| [15:47:36] | Juski: | build it yourself then :) |
| [15:47:45] | Screwy: | :) |
| [15:47:53] | Screwy: | well, I'm very new to linux |
| [15:48:12] | Screwy: | thats where my big problem comes in |
| [15:48:17] | Juski: | it's not that hard when you've RTFM'd |
| [15:48:26] | Screwy: | RTFM? |
| [15:48:55] | Juski: | google it |
| [15:49:18] | Screwy: | ;) |
| [15:49:20] | Screwy: | gotcha |
| [15:49:27] | Screwy: | hehehehehehehehe |
| [15:49:54] | Screwy: | any Suse specfic items I need to be aware of? |
| [15:50:22] | Juski: | hmm. like the 1st google hit I got or so.. http://www.acaciaclose.co.uk/28654/index.html |
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| [15:50:57] | Lane: | is there an apt-get or yum for mythtv? |
| [15:51:28] | Juski: | I'm all out of cluebats today |
| [15:51:28] | Screwy: | yeah, read it..... geared toward mainly dvb cards in the UK |
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| [15:51:51] | medwards: | Lane: There are packages for both. |
| [15:51:57] | Juski: | Screwy: so? it should have enough info to be able to install it, then you read other howtos to learn about the rest |
| [15:52:02] | ** stuarta sighs ** | |
| [15:52:24] | Juski: | nobody ever heard of reading between the lines? or do you want a complete A-Z walkthrough? |
| [15:52:33] | hatredx: | Juski, stfu |
| [15:52:46] | ** stuarta agrees with Juski ** | |
| [15:52:47] | Juski: | ahem! |
| [15:53:00] | hatredx: | you are correct, but a bit crude |
| [15:53:06] | Screwy: | yeah, I see what you're saying |
| [15:53:15] | qu0zl: | Lane, what distribution? Your's probably supplies mythtv |
| [15:53:22] | Juski: | all I'm saying is do some research |
| [15:53:23] | Screwy: | I'm not really looking for a complete A-Z walkthrough |
| [15:53:38] | medwards: | Yeah, you're normally just amusingly acid about this... but hatredx is right you're getting a little over harsh. |
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| [15:53:44] | Juski: | and hatredx for crudity, I'm afraid you already have me beaten with your 'stfu' |
| [15:53:50] | hatredx: | sweet |
| [15:53:57] | hatredx: | i tend to do that with a nick name hatred |
| [15:54:01] | hatredx: | but I dont rant |
| [15:54:09] | medwards: | Screwy: It is hard to find a perfectly oriented HOWTO |
| [15:54:14] | Beirdo: | nothing wrong with ranting |
| [15:54:15] | Screwy: | I know |
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| [15:54:28] | medwards: | Follow along on one that talks about what you're working on at the given moment |
| [15:54:29] | Juski: | you could change your nick to orafedx :-P |
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| [15:54:44] | medwards: | when it no longer matches your hardware or setup, then find another HOWTO |
| [15:54:47] | Screwy: | It took a little over 2 months for me to really know the ins and outs of installing VDR on Debian |
| [15:55:07] | Lane: | it is mythtv....i was just wondering how to get updates |
| [15:55:29] | medwards: | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
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| [15:55:46] | medwards: | oh.. are you on Debian? |
| [15:55:50] | Lane: | apt-get is not found |
| [15:55:58] | medwards: | lol is that why there is a Dagmar/evilDagmar? |
| [15:56:01] | Screwy: | bad thing is, Debian does not recognize my DVD drive.... its a SATA drive, and when it starts to install, it tells me I do not have a valid CD ROM drive... So I had to switch to Suse |
| [15:56:03] | Machtyn: | okay, it seems to have found the 0.19 versions of everything, but when I try to update, it complains that the frontend/backend components aren't going to be installed. |
| [15:56:04] | medwards: | ... |
| [15:56:07] | Screwy: | no Suse |
| [15:56:17] | medwards: | Lane you need to have a package manager installed to take advantage of it... |
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| [15:58:14] | Machtyn: | is there a way to fix my problem? |
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| [15:58:31] | magneticubuntu: | hello |
| [15:58:53] | hatredx: | Machtyn, can you paste the line that stats its not going to install any components |
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| [16:00:39] | magneticubuntu: | hey guys: is there "Blackbird" tuner support yet for Linux? |
| [16:00:45] | Juski: | that was like an extra superlative |
| [16:01:10] | Juski: | magneticubuntu: kind of. if by that you mean cx88-dvb, not yet |
| [16:01:25] | magneticubuntu: | yeah cx88 |
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| [16:01:46] | stuarta: | magneticubuntu: it's in linuxtv hg repository, and should be in latest released kernels |
| [16:01:49] | magneticubuntu: | well i need a low profile card for my box and its either the pvr 150 l.p or a cheap cx88 |
| [16:01:50] | Juski: | look at the v4l wiki over at linuxtv.org |
| [16:02:07] | magneticubuntu: | thx guys this is a great channel :) |
| [16:02:14] | Juski: | pvr150 all the way |
| [16:02:18] | magneticubuntu: | want to see the hardware i'll be running it on (its EXOTIC and PPC!!!) |
| [16:02:29] | magneticubuntu: | juski: yeah its just pricy :) |
| [16:02:40] | magneticubuntu: | www.pegasosppc.com |
| [16:02:40] | stuarta: | you are asking for fun and games |
| [16:02:42] | magneticubuntu: | thats the motherboard |
| [16:02:47] | Juski: | cx88-mpeg doesn't work fully yet. I can do mpeg2 video, just not with audio on my leadtek pvr2000 in linux |
| [16:02:49] | magneticubuntu: | stuarta, huh? |
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| [16:03:17] | Machtyn: | mythtv: Depends: mythtv-frontend (= 0.19–5ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed |
| [16:03:17] | Machtyn: | Depends: mythtv-backend (= 0.19–5ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed |
| [16:03:17] | Machtyn: | Depends: mythtv-lcdserver (= 0.19–5ubuntu1) but it is not installable |
| [16:03:17] | Machtyn: | hatredx: mythtv: Depends: mythtv-frontend (= 0.19–5ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed |
| [16:03:17] | Machtyn: | Depends: mythtv-backend (= 0.19–5ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed |
| [16:03:18] | Machtyn: | Depends: mythtv-lcdserver (= 0.19–5ubuntu1) but it is not installable |
| [16:03:19] | stuarta: | bleeding edge dvb card on PPC = endianess issues |
| [16:03:26] | stuarta: | Machtyn: pastebin!!!!!! |
| [16:03:27] | Juski: | pastebin! |
| [16:03:30] | Machtyn: | oh... oops! |
| [16:03:54] | stuarta: | !trout Machtyn pastebin |
| [16:03:54] | ** MythLogBot slaps Machtyn with a pastebin trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
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| [16:04:04] | ** stuarta feels better now. ** | |
| [16:04:30] | magneticubuntu: | stuarta : that sux |
| [16:04:53] | magneticubuntu: | I'm running Ubuntu 2.6.15–23 ppc on it |
| [16:05:05] | magneticubuntu: | i should go with the Happauge pvr 150 l.p then? |
| [16:05:12] | Machtyn: | and to compound my problem... I did it twice :-p sorry all |
| [16:05:13] | stuarta: | magneticubuntu: just something to be aware of, most drivers are written on intel, so YMMV on PPC |
| [16:05:21] | magneticubuntu: | YMMV? |
| [16:05:25] | hatredx: | lol |
| [16:05:42] | magneticubuntu: | stuarta, if the card is supported with V4l its no prob |
| [16:05:50] | stuarta: | RTFM TFOWTF YMMV means. |
| [16:05:54] | magneticubuntu: | i've had a few bbtx cards working fine with Tv Time and others |
| [16:06:26] | stuarta: | only one way to find out.... |
| [16:06:55] | stuarta: | could work straight out of the box.... who knows.... |
| [16:07:11] | magneticubuntu: | does pvr 150 work OOTB on mythtv? |
| [16:07:18] | magneticubuntu is now known as magneticmos | |
| [16:07:31] | stuarta: | yes, i was talking more about the driver support. |
| [16:07:59] | magneticmos: | how do you mean? |
| [16:08:01] | magneticmos: | ivtv? |
| [16:08:12] | stuarta: | meaning working on PPC |
| [16:08:13] | medwards: | oh.. |
| [16:08:14] | medwards: | yeah... |
| [16:08:16] | medwards: | ivtv.... |
| [16:08:18] | magneticmos: | btw: |
| [16:08:21] | magneticmos: | http://plutohome.com./support/index.php?secti . . . mp;package=0 |
| [16:08:26] | medwards: | I'm pretty sure I compiled that... |
| [16:08:28] | medwards: | on Ubuntu. |
| [16:08:30] | magneticmos: | some drivers for Blackbird cards for x86 |
| [16:08:42] | magneticmos: | medward: sure it should str8t compile |
| [16:08:49] | magneticmos: | prolly also a packaged version too |
| [16:09:30] | magneticmos: | Does anyone here run a PPC box? |
| [16:09:51] | magneticmos: | I also built a cheap Via microatx box that I'm going to try to get KnoppMyth installed on.. |
| [16:14:22] | Beirdo: | plutohome can eat me |
| [16:15:09] | magneticmos: | lol |
| [16:15:13] | magneticmos: | Beirdo, you know about it? |
| [16:15:14] | Machtyn: | in reference to my earlier problem (myth-frontend, myth-backend not wanting to install) here is the pastebin entry. (pastebin is having issues at the moment, I think) |
| [16:15:15] | Machtyn: | http://pastebin.com/769896 |
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| [16:15:36] | Beirdo: | they spammed every mythtv-related blog, wiki, etc when they did their first "release" |
| [16:15:50] | Beirdo: | Machtyn, then use pastebin.ca, it sucks less |
| [16:16:54] | magneticmos: | beirdo: is it any good? |
| [16:17:21] | Beirdo: | dunno, I avoided them like the plague, just as I would anyone else that advertised by spamming |
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| [16:17:57] | ** stuarta heads home ** | |
| [16:18:09] | magneticmos: | Beirdo, yeah honestly i didnt like the looks of the site for some reason |
| [16:18:13] | magneticmos: | looks like a sell out to me |
| [16:18:46] | Machtyn: | okay, here's my pastebin.ca submission. (it's slow, but it's working) http://pastebin.ca/134918 |
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| [16:23:30] | Juski_: | huh? eek I'm still logged in, in the lab |
| [16:23:39] | Juski_: | whoops |
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| [16:24:40] | Juski_: | regarding plutohome, the stuff they did got back into the v4l code I think |
| [16:25:38] | Beirdo: | they can bite me anyways :) |
| [16:25:50] | Juski_: | and we have them to thank for the telnet interface IIRC |
| [16:26:12] | Juski_: | but yeah – spamming is a big no-no – which is basically what they did |
| [16:27:37] | magneticmos: | well if they did Blackbird tuner drivers i'm cool with them :P |
| [16:28:30] | Juski_: | now that ivtv is moving closer to the kernel, stuff like the blackbird driver situation can only improve |
| [16:29:07] | Beirdo: | yeehaw, raining again |
| [16:29:22] | Juski_: | then all we need is linux support for the ATI & nvidia mpeg encoding cards.. don't think that's highly likely though |
| [16:29:39] | magneticmos: | juski: ivtv is going to be part of the kernel? |
| [16:29:48] | Juski_: | that's the plan, I believe |
| [16:29:52] | magneticmos: | cool |
| [16:30:07] | magneticmos: | you mean still no support for ati hw encoding? like Tv wonder boards |
| [16:30:08] | magneticmos: | ? |
| [16:30:29] | Juski_: | magneticmos: still no support for any other mpeg encoding hw really |
| [16:30:30] | Beirdo: | TV wonder ain't HW encoding |
| [16:30:37] | Beirdo: | TV Wonder are bttv |
| [16:30:52] | magneticmos: | eh tv wonder does |
| [16:30:57] | magneticmos: | ehome |
| [16:31:06] | magneticmos: | has Blackbird mpeg2 hw encoding chip |
| [16:31:09] | magneticmos: | cx88 |
| [16:31:10] | magneticmos: | afaik |
| [16:31:18] | Juski_: | their MCE crippled cards do hardware encoding |
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| [16:31:30] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [16:31:31] | magneticmos: | juski: i thought happauge cards do hw encoding? |
| [16:31:41] | magneticmos: | Juski: how do you mean MCE crippled? |
| [16:32:16] | Led-Hed: | Juski: thanks for the help the other day. I got DMPS working.. |
| [16:32:57] | Juski_: | how do I mean mce crippled? I mean the cards they sell for MCE |
| [16:33:17] | Juski_: | Led-Hed: no problem. cheers for the thanks though.. it always counts :) |
| [16:35:23] | Juski_: | yeh the ATI theater (sic) cards allegedly give better quality than the hauppauge pvr cards (more filtering gubbins going on) – but then it's only apparent when you zoom into captured frames at ridiculous sizes |
| [16:35:31] | Juski_: | so they're only nit-picking |
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| [16:36:41] | magneticmos: | juski; how are they different or crippled just cuz ofr MCE tag? |
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| [16:37:10] | Juski_: | magneticmos: they're MCE crippled cos they only work in MCE – no linux drivers ;) |
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| [16:38:32] | Juski_: | the nvidia cards are reckoned to be pretty good aswell, but again they use a chip which doesn't have readily available datasheets (more OEM contract, sign hefty NDA kind of affair) |
| [16:39:36] | magneticmos: | Juski: REALLY? didnt know that |
| [16:39:45] | magneticmos: | so any card that says MCE doesnt work? |
| [16:39:48] | Juski_: | it could all be academic anyway, what with the limited lifespan of analogue TV in some parts of the world & all |
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| [16:39:56] | Juski_: | magneticmos: no – just certain ones |
| [16:39:57] | magneticmos: | not in usa |
| [16:40:02] | magneticmos: | Juski: which ones? |
| [16:40:12] | Juski_: | all the Hauppage pvr cards will work in linux thanks to ivtv |
| [16:40:30] | magneticmos: | gr8t |
| [16:40:38] | magneticmos: | i'll get that pvr 150 low profile then |
| [16:40:56] | Juski_: | anything else it's pot-luck. there are a couple which are basically pvr clones – check the ivtvdriver.org site for details on them |
| [16:40:59] | magneticmos: | i have a g4 512mb ram |
| [16:41:20] | magneticmos: | yeah that M179 avermedia card will go in the x86 box i'm building for myth – $22! |
| [16:41:24] | magneticmos: | and a pvr250 clone! |
| [16:41:38] | Juski_: | where did you get it for $22 ? |
| [16:41:59] | mchou: | probably fleabay :) |
| [16:42:08] | Juski_: | mchou: no doubt |
| [16:42:17] | magneticmos: | mchou: NOPE |
| [16:42:20] | magneticmos: | RETAIL |
| [16:42:32] | magneticmos: | i'm a dealer and have long arms online :P |
| [16:42:34] | mchou: | magneticmos: enquiring minds wanna know where :) |
| [16:42:58] | magneticmos: | no |
| [16:42:59] | Juski_: | that said by the time I got it to me in the UK... shipping would negate its cheapness a lot |
| [16:43:00] | magneticmos: | :D |
| [16:43:10] | magneticmos: | cant give out my sources or they dry up ;) |
| [16:43:15] | magneticmos: | google is your friend |
| [16:43:25] | mchou: | hehe |
| [16:43:31] | Juski_: | www.avermedia-cast-offs.com |
| [16:43:36] | magneticmos: | lol |
| [16:43:46] | magneticmos: | www.whoneedshappauge.com |
| [16:43:55] | Machtyn: | when I try to do an "apt-get install mythtv", it tells me it depends on mythtv-frontend and mythtv-backend but it is not going to be installed. Any ideas why not? see http://pastebin.ca/134969 for output details |
| [16:44:32] | Beirdo: | M179 don't have the quality that PVR250 have last I heard |
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| [16:45:18] | mchou: | Beirdo: I believe that only applies to the tuner stage. If you dont use the tuner it's not a problem |
| [16:45:35] | Beirdo: | could be |
| [16:45:40] | mchou: | plenty ppl still use svid |
| [16:46:39] | ** magneticmos uses svideo ** | |
| [16:46:46] | ** Machtyn raises hand. he has an older large screen tv ** | |
| [16:46:55] | magneticmos: | i have an s deck with alot of material on S from the 90s |
| [16:47:00] | magneticmos: | s is good |
| [16:47:14] | magneticmos: | mchou, you kidding? alot of ppl use Composite!! |
| [16:47:16] | Juski_: | not as good as digital though :-P |
| [16:47:20] | magneticmos: | of cos not |
| [16:47:28] | magneticmos: | i've seeen 1080i :D |
| [16:47:36] | mchou: | Beirdo: the tuner stage in hauppauge is nothing to write home about anyways. |
| [16:47:44] | Juski_: | I'm a HDTV non-believer right now |
| [16:48:02] | magneticmos: | well there is no content |
| [16:48:08] | mchou: | it's not quite as bad as avermedia, but that's like comparing infinities..... |
| [16:48:20] | Beirdo: | bah, whatever |
| [16:48:34] | Beirdo: | I've used PVR250s for quite some time, their tuners are pretty good |
| [16:48:53] | Juski_: | they could be a hell of a lot worse. think along the lines of most bttv tuners |
| [16:48:57] | magneticmos: | good and pricey |
| [16:49:07] | mchou: | hauppauge tuner stage sucks in comparision to a vhs tuner |
| [16:49:15] | Beirdo: | yeah, they are WAY better tuners than the bttv ones |
| [16:49:22] | mchou: | lol |
| [16:49:30] | mchou: | that's not saying much |
| [16:49:34] | Beirdo: | and I disagree |
| [16:49:41] | Juski_: | I disagree too |
| [16:49:58] | Beirdo: | the tuner on my PVR250s are WAY better than the tuners in any VCR I've met |
| [16:50:02] | Juski_: | it's like comparing 'watchable' to 'mushy snowy pictures' |
| [16:50:10] | mchou: | Beirdo: bullshit |
| [16:50:26] | Beirdo: | it's not close to the tuner in my Sony TV though |
| [16:50:54] | Beirdo: | go bullshit yourself somewhere else |
| [16:50:54] | Beirdo: | I know what I saw :) |
| [16:51:02] | magneticmos: | yeah i just had a Wintv PCI and the image was crappy but my analgoue signal isnt so hot here on the beach!@ |
| [16:51:12] | mchou: | anyways, I now record pretty much in HD only unless there is no other choice |
| [16:51:25] | magneticmos: | lucky u |
| [16:52:05] | mchou: | I was never satisfied with PC analog tuner quality |
| [16:52:23] | mchou: | fscking toy reception |
| [16:53:38] | mchou: | milton bradley could do better |
| [16:53:39] | Juski_: | my 1st ever pvr experiments centred around an ATI aiw-pro (the rage type, not rage128). lol it sucked Soooooo bad |
| [16:53:54] | Juski_: | shitty tuner, even shittier tv out |
| [16:54:12] | Beirdo: | mchou: so why don't you design a better tuner? |
| [16:54:18] | magneticmos: | i just had a radeon 9800 aiw and it sucked too |
| [16:54:32] | mchou: | Beirdo: cause it's been done. It's called HDTV |
| [16:54:41] | Beirdo: | no it's not |
| [16:54:42] | magneticmos: | i sold it and got a radeon 9500 and modded it to a 9700 "D |
| [16:54:55] | Beirdo: | that has nothing to do with the tuner, and everything to do with modulation |
| [16:55:23] | Beirdo: | I'd be willing to bet that the tuners on most HDTV tuners are the same as on analog tuners |
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| [16:56:11] | Juski_: | a lot of analogue tuner quality will boil down to the filters they use in the I.F. stage |
| [16:56:16] | mchou: | when I say "tuner stage" that includes modulation |
| [16:56:32] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [16:56:46] | Beirdo: | Juski, yes, and how many times they convert frequencies too |
| [16:57:10] | Juski_: | that's why I've always been suspicious of those silicon tuners |
| [16:57:14] | magneticmos: | mchou, you mean the signal is to weak? |
| [16:57:23] | mchou: | magneticmos: huh?? |
| [16:57:23] | Beirdo: | tuners tune. demodulators demodulate. Only in the analog world are they one and the same |
| [16:57:46] | Juski_: | you can't beat a good quality IF filter :) |
| [16:58:04] | Beirdo: | sure you can. with a stick. but it won't be good quality anymore |
| [16:58:35] | Juski_: | lol |
| [16:58:44] | Beirdo: | be fun though |
| [16:59:27] | Juski_: | hrm. how the hell am I gonna email 350MB worth of files past the I.T. gestapo? |
| [16:59:50] | Beirdo: | USB thumb drive |
| [17:00:05] | Beirdo: | speaking of which, I need to get mine back from my wife |
| [17:00:06] | mchou: | Juski_: easy. man split |
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| [17:00:24] | Juski_: | lol |
| [17:00:42] | Juski_: | ftp would be better I think, failing that, send em a CDR |
| [17:00:49] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [17:01:06] | Juski_: | stupid dialup speed broadband |
| [17:01:29] | mchou: | huh?? dialup broadband? lol |
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| [17:02:00] | mchou: | can you even say that in the same breath? |
| [17:02:28] | Juski_: | it's sometimes-on, and slow as 56k |
| [17:03:05] | mchou: | Juski_: then you brits better deman better service |
| [17:03:05] | Juski_: | maybe if certain techies weren't always logged into their home machines... |
| [17:03:11] | mchou: | demand* |
| [17:03:28] | mchou: | instead of putting up with crap :) |
| [17:03:36] | Juski_: | oo I just saved 120MB by zipping em |
| [17:03:50] | mchou: | like bush'e poodle blair |
| [17:03:58] | mchou: | bush's* |
| [17:04:01] | Kelerion: | hey... am a brit and have no complaints about my broadband.. lol |
| [17:04:15] | Juski_: | I have no complaints about my personal broadband either |
| [17:04:38] | Juski_: | at work we have BT's datatrickle or something |
| [17:05:04] | Kelerion: | I just finished with dumping BT.. back to my beloved NTL.. :) |
| [17:05:14] | mchou: | lol. |
| [17:05:26] | mchou: | that's voting with your wallet |
| [17:05:40] | mchou: | the right thing to do |
| [17:05:54] | Juski_: | or is it KiloTreacle (tm)? I can never remember |
| [17:05:59] | Kelerion: | I can only get a 1mb connection with BT.. back on my NTL with a 10Mb.. and yeah, it's cheaper too.. lol |
| [17:06:38] | Juski_: | Kelerion: you ever have any more probs with that winder smahing kid? |
| [17:07:06] | Kelerion: | nope.. not since the cops locked 'em up for a weekend |
| [17:07:43] | Juski_: | heheh. good effort |
| [17:08:06] | Juski_: | haven't had a visit from Mr mirror kicker in a while (touch wood) |
| [17:08:20] | Kelerion: | two 6 months to get it done though.. and 3 different departments of the police and social services |
| [17:08:30] | Kelerion: | two=took |
| [17:08:42] | Juski_: | though there was a pic in the local rag about a guy who was found dead last week – looked uncannily like our man |
| [17:08:48] | mchou: | what are you guys talking about? |
| [17:09:02] | mchou: | mirror kicker? |
| [17:09:10] | mchou: | winder kid? |
| [17:09:14] | Juski_: | mchou: Kelerion hd a problem with kids smashing windows |
| [17:09:16] | Kelerion: | some kids we smashing my windows pretty much *every* time.. so I got them on cctv... but it still took ages to get anything done |
| [17:09:30] | mchou: | oh. ok |
| [17:09:40] | Juski_: | and I've had issues with some idiot kicking my car door mirrors orf |
| [17:09:56] | mchou: | Kelerion: but they got the perps? |
| [17:10:01] | Juski_: | and before you say it, I already know it wasn't you ;) |
| [17:10:15] | Kelerion: | they *had* 'em 3 times.. then on the 4th go they did something about it |
| [17:10:36] | mchou: | Kelerion: heh, first 3 times were "warnings" |
| [17:10:55] | Kelerion: | yeah.. nice warnings.. and all the while I was having to replace my windows |
| [17:11:14] | Juski_: | hello kids. this is mister baseball bat. say hello... |
| [17:11:21] | mchou: | Kelerion: if they were muslims I bet the cops woulda less lenient :) |
| [17:11:39] | Kelerion: | yeah.. but you need to be able to catch the gits to use a baseball |
| [17:11:43] | Juski_: | mchou: I bet the opposite actually |
| [17:11:51] | Kelerion: | absolutely the opposite |
| [17:11:56] | Juski_: | kids know how to play the race card very well these days |
| [17:12:01] | mchou: | Juski_: why? "police brutality"? |
| [17:12:12] | Kelerion: | and racism accusation |
| [17:12:19] | mchou: | lol |
| [17:12:24] | mchou: | it's on CCTV |
| [17:12:30] | Juski_: | so? |
| [17:12:33] | mchou: | that's hardly race specific |
| [17:12:44] | Juski_: | very true. make the courts see that |
| [17:12:49] | Beirdo: | which... if they were being treated differently due to their religious beliefs... can you blame them for raising hell about it? |
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| [17:12:56] | mchou: | unless you were in a muslim community :) |
| [17:13:07] | brule: | I was just wondering, did they get the newer hauppauge pvr 150 chipsets to work? |
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| [17:13:15] | julian_: | hi |
| [17:13:18] | julian_: | can anybody help me with the ivtv driver |
| [17:13:20] | julian_: | i get it compiled but the make install failes |
| [17:13:37] | Juski_: | I once worked with a guy who tried to claim racial discrimination – but he lost the case on the grounds he was sacked for being lazy |
| [17:13:57] | mchou: | Juski_: lol. That is racist |
| [17:14:14] | julian_: | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Pm5ZgT73.html |
| [17:14:39] | Juski_: | he was truly lazy though.. anyway... |
| [17:15:00] | julian_: | i can't find why it won't install |
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| [17:15:25] | Juski_: | brule: do you mean the new ones with Samsung tuners? IIRC, the problem has been totally fixed but the fix hasn't trickled down into stable drivers yet AFAIK |
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| [17:16:18] | mchou: | damn, someone just got a free UPS. I've been looking for one |
| [17:16:30] | mchou: | but it was a crappy APC |
| [17:16:43] | Kelerion: | better than nuffin though |
| [17:16:47] | Beirdo: | APC != crappy |
| [17:16:53] | mchou: | bah, at this stage I'd take APC |
| [17:16:57] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'm off, father-in-law's here |
| [17:16:59] | Juski_: | aye. I need something to get me a proper shutdown when the power goes out |
| [17:17:04] | mchou: | APC is crappy. |
| [17:17:10] | Kelerion: | I thought they made good ups's |
| [17:17:17] | mchou: | they drain the batteries on purpose |
| [17:17:26] | Juski_: | I'd sooner buy APC than say, Belkin |
| [17:17:31] | mchou: | very unethical |
| [17:17:39] | julian_: | hex boys, i cant find the error in the output, pleas help me, it don't take a long time i think |
| [17:17:51] | mchou: | that's cause belkin aint true UPS |
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| [17:18:44] | brule: | hey any idea what the difference is |
| [17:18:45] | brule: | WinTV-PVR-150 |
| [17:18:45] | brule: | |
| [17:18:45] | brule: | WinTV-PVR-150 MCE |
| [17:18:49] | brule: | between these two cards |
| [17:18:53] | brule: | sorry for the bad paste :/ |
| [17:19:00] | Juski_: | julian_: Module.symvers |
| [17:19:02] | Juski_: | is missing |
| [17:19:04] | Juski_: | oops |
| [17:19:23] | julian_: | Juski_: and how to get it? |
| [17:19:35] | Juski_: | julian_: I'd guess you have the kernel source but you're missing the headers? not sure |
| [17:19:51] | Juski_: | oh wait |
| [17:19:53] | julian_: | but the build was ok |
| [17:20:03] | Juski_: | 2.6.15 and ivtv 0.4... somebody didn't RTFM |
| [17:20:40] | Juski_: | you need ivtv 0.6.x |
| [17:21:23] | julian_: | i am so an big idiot, sorry |
| [17:21:42] | Juski_: | everybody makes mistakes sometimes |
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| [17:21:56] | julian_: | The latest stable releases can be found here. Currently this is version 0.4.6 for kernels <= 2.6.15, version 0.6.3 for kernel 2.6.16 and version 0.7.0 for kernel 2.6.17. |
| [17:22:17] | julian_: | i have 2.6.15 |
| [17:22:27] | julian_: | or do understand this wrong? |
| [17:23:11] | gardengnome: | julian_: hehehehe :) |
| [17:23:14] | julian_: | my english is not the best, so i my disunderstand it but i read 2.6.15 04.6 |
| [17:23:18] | gardengnome: | 0.4.x is fine :) |
| [17:23:57] | julian_: | but why 'make install' failes on my system |
| [17:24:06] | Juski: | see.. everybody makes mistakes... :-| |
| [17:24:23] | Juski: | I'll get my coat |
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| [17:28:39] | julian_: | so nobody know why it wont work |
| [17:29:33] | gardengnome: | julian_: let me read the backlog. |
| [17:29:49] | evilDagmar: | Damn. Sometimes it's the little things that get you. |
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| [17:30:09] | evilDagmar: | I forgot to update the kernel a bit when I put the new motherboard in, and was getting 3.56MB/s from the IDE drives. |
| [17:30:22] | evilDagmar: | Definitely not fast enough. Halty video, too. :) |
| [17:31:14] | gardengnome: | julian_: wow, that's a weird error. |
| [17:31:32] | gardengnome: | julian_: you are on ubuntu, right? |
| [17:31:41] | julian_: | yea |
| [17:31:53] | gardengnome: | julian_: did you install the linux-headers-686 package? |
| [17:32:08] | julian_: | yes |
| [17:32:43] | gardengnome: | umm. |
| [17:32:53] | evilDagmar: | Well, is /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15/Module.symvers even there? |
| [17:33:27] | julian_: | ney |
| [17:33:34] | gardengnome: | it should be not be using "/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15/". wait a second. |
| [17:33:36] | evilDagmar: | Is that a "no"? |
| [17:33:41] | julian_: | no |
| [17:33:45] | evilDagmar: | *sigh* |
| [17:33:47] | julian_: | yes it is a no |
| [17:34:00] | evilDagmar: | Okay, well that's what we call "a clue" |
| [17:34:11] | evilDagmar: | gardengnome sounds like he has an idea |
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| [17:34:39] | gardengnome: | /lib/modules/2.6.15-26–686/build should be a symlink, what's its target? use ls -al to find out. |
| [17:34:50] | josesito: | hello, can someone help me install mythtv?? |
| [17:34:53] | josesito: | please? |
| [17:35:09] | gardengnome: | josesito: please read the official documentation first. |
| [17:35:15] | julian_: | gardengnome: originaly it pointed to the headers |
| [17:35:27] | gardengnome: | julian_: the headers should be fine. it works here. |
| [17:35:29] | julian_: | but with this link it wont build |
| [17:35:44] | julian_: | so i linked it to the linux-source dir |
| [17:35:54] | josesito: | gardengnome, i've done it....but it didn't help |
| [17:35:59] | evilDagmar: | It should definitely be pointing to the linux source directory |
| [17:35:59] | gardengnome: | no, i don't think that's good. |
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| [17:36:13] | evilDagmar: | Particularly it should be pointing to the *configured* linux source directory |
| [17:36:17] | gardengnome: | josesito: then please state the exact nature of your problem, including the steps you've already tried in order to resolve it. |
| [17:36:37] | gardengnome: | evilDagmar: usually, yes. but on ubuntu, the linux-headers package is sufficient. |
| [17:36:37] | evilDagmar: | If you just untarred a fresh tarball into /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15 that's the problem |
| [17:36:46] | julian_: | i used this howto http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html |
| [17:36:51] | evilDagmar: | gardengnome: Yes, well, I'm sure they'd know better than Linus |
| [17:36:58] | evilDagmar: | *kofkof* |
| [17:37:06] | julian_: | evilDagmar: should i build the kernel? |
| [17:37:24] | evilDagmar: | julian_: Not unless you have to. The kernel source package for your distro should bring in a configured source tree |
| [17:37:39] | julian_: | yeah it do |
| [17:37:50] | gardengnome: | evilDagmar: heh. they provide a generic headers package for stuff like glibc and then these linux-headers packages that match your currently running kernel. |
| [17:37:53] | josesito: | gardengnome, i tried to install mythtv from the repos, but when it finished it said that mythtv-database wasn't properly configured |
| [17:38:19] | gardengnome: | josesito: that's not the official documentation, FYI. but your problem indeed is ubuntu specific. |
| [17:38:23] | julian_: | josesito: which distri |
| [17:38:40] | julian_: | josesito: ubuntu or debian |
| [17:38:43] | josesito: | xubuntu |
| [17:38:58] | julian_: | you have to set your mysql password correctly |
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| [17:39:14] | josesito: | julian_, how? |
| [17:39:20] | gardengnome: | josesito: you did not follow your howto correctly. you forgot to set your mysql root password in mysql, i believe. |
| [17:39:23] | julian_: | i think, because i have the same broblem |
| [17:39:45] | gardengnome: | josesito: it's described there, just read. or use mysqladmin. |
| [17:39:49] | julian_: | josesito: the configure script asks u for a mysql password |
| [17:40:21] | josesito: | julian_, yes, and it also says that's better to leave it blank or something like that |
| [17:40:25] | josesito: | i left it blank |
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| [17:40:46] | gardengnome: | julian_: umm, anyways. all i can say is that i did a sudo apt-get install linux-headers-k7 on my athlon box followed by a make; sudo make install in the ivtv directory. that's it. |
| [17:40:48] | Lane: | When I input new channels myth tv crashes |
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| [17:40:56] | Lane: | i mean change the channel |
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| [17:41:03] | gardengnome: | josesito: that will not work. |
| [17:41:18] | julian_: | hmm |
| [17:41:45] | julian_: | josesito: so if you enter mysql on the console, what do you get? |
| [17:42:10] | josesito: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'josesito'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| [17:42:19] | gardengnome: | julian_: maybe you could change the symlink back to the original state and do a make clean (or distclean) in the ivtv directory before trying to install it again. |
| [17:42:52] | julian_: | gardengnome: i now build the kernel |
| [17:43:02] | josesito: | julian_, it does run as root |
| [17:43:06] | evilDagmar: | How about `mysql --user=mythtv` |
| [17:43:11] | julian_: | the distri one, mybe it creates the missing file in build process |
| [17:43:22] | brule: | how fast does my machine need to be for mpeg2 capture? |
| [17:43:28] | julian_: | josesito: you settet a mysql password |
| [17:43:40] | josesito: | julian_, no pass that i remember |
| [17:43:40] | evilDagmar: | brule: 1Ghz per stream of broadcast 480i, just like it says all over the docs |
| [17:43:46] | julian_: | or trie sudo mysql |
| [17:43:47] | josesito: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| [17:43:54] | gardengnome: | evilDagmar: i doubt that's gonna work. the mythtv-database package is not installed ywet – it's responsible for injecting mc.sql which in turn creates the mythtv user. |
| [17:43:59] | josesito: | that was returned |
| [17:44:07] | brule: | i'd be capturing a non-hd signal |
| [17:44:09] | evilDagmar: | josesito: bleh. supply the password "mythtv" too, of course |
| [17:44:12] | brule: | coax? |
| [17:44:24] | gardengnome: | josesito: follow your howto and set the root password for mysql. then get back to us, anything else is a waste of time. |
| [17:44:25] | josesito: | evilDagmar, how?? |
| [17:44:31] | Z_Morek: | I know I got that error too, but that was before I configured mysql |
| [17:44:37] | Fnc-1_: | anyone happen to be using there mythsetup with a westinghouse 37 or 42in monitor? |
| [17:44:43] | julian_: | josesito: set the password to '' |
| [17:44:50] | julian_: | josesito: and it will work |
| [17:44:50] | Z_Morek: | it's in the mythtv docs how to add mythtv as a user for mysql |
| [17:44:50] | gardengnome: | evilDagmar: that won't work either because mythtv-database sets a random password :) |
| [17:44:53] | evilDagmar: | josesito: by reading the docs and following their instructions step by step. |
| [17:45:04] | Z_Morek: | and don't skip a step |
| [17:45:07] | Z_Morek: | like I always end up doing |
| [17:45:10] | evilDagmar: | gardengnome: Maybe on your version. On plain 0.19 it sets it to mythtv as well |
| [17:45:14] | Z_Morek: | read every word |
| [17:45:54] | evilDagmar: | Not that I'm against random passwords or anything |
| [17:45:58] | josesito: | i've tried using this guide: http://www.quietglow.com/docs/ubuntumythtv.html |
| [17:46:07] | josesito: | where are the docs you guys talk about? |
| [17:46:17] | gardengnome: | evilDagmar: when i say "mythtv-database", i'm talking about the debian/ubuntu package. i should hafve calrified that. |
| [17:46:21] | gardengnome: | clarified* |
| [17:47:15] | josesito: | ?? |
| [17:47:32] | gardengnome: | josesito: the docs are located on www.mythtv.org – but for god's sake, just set the mysql root password and run a "dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database" after that |
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| [17:48:17] | josesito: | gardengnome, i'm a newbie...please can you tell me how can i set the mysql root password? |
| [17:48:49] | gardengnome: | Juski: have you seen my cluebat? |
| [17:49:00] | Juski: | lol |
| [17:49:02] | gardengnome: | josesito: http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html – it's described here. |
| [17:49:32] | Juski: | "I'm a newbie".. is that like code for "I can't be bothered to RTFM" ? |
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| [17:50:06] | Juski: | if you're new to Linux – fine. Hello & welcome. Now open up google & get searching :) |
| [17:50:10] | gardengnome: | Juski: no, it's code for "i'm skipping half ot the steps in my install guide because i feel like it". |
| [17:50:15] | gardengnome: | Juski: heh |
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| [17:51:11] | scopeuk: | Juski im a newbie is code fr i read the manual and got confused |
| [17:51:23] | gardengnome: | scopeuk: you wish. |
| [17:51:36] | josesito: | man this is so unfair i just came to ask for help, i've spent almost 3 hours just today to install mythtv and it's so unfair you guys can't help me. why are you here then?? to tell everyone "you have to read the docs" although they MIGHT HAVE READ IT?? |
| [17:51:57] | scopeuk: | well have you? |
| [17:52:07] | scopeuk: | whats up? |
| [17:52:17] | Smithson: | Im getting an error on my remote frontend of 2006-08–16 13:50:59.350 Error: File '/video//1045_20060816130000.mpg' missing. when I try and watch recordings or live tv, do I need to have nfs set up to share that folder w/ the frontend? It appears the frontend is looking locally for the files.. |
| [17:52:22] | josesito: | sort of, i googled and found the web page i wrote up a little ago |
| [17:52:32] | Juski: | the setting a root password for mysql is covered in documentation all over the place |
| [17:53:05] | gardengnome: | josesito: umm. listen. you obviously skipped a step in the howto you were following. i've told you that several times. now, please, just go and repeat that step and everything will be fine. sorry, if you claim that you did no receive help in here, then you're retarded. ummk? |
| [17:54:19] | Juski: | it's very esy to miss howto steps |
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| [17:54:26] | Juski: | s/esy/easy |
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| [17:54:40] | gardengnome: | that's true. but then you shouldn't insist on not doing it at all %) |
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| [17:55:27] | Juski: | the questions about DB access are without doubt the most FAQ in here |
| [17:56:10] | Smithson: | if anyone has a remote frontend setup, and some time I have a question |
| [17:56:15] | gardengnome: | yep. and the mythtv-database package for debian/ubuntu could be updated to say it's necessary to have a root password. at least i don't think it's in there. |
| [17:56:42] | Juski: | Smithson: just ask |
| [17:56:49] | Smithson: | Im getting an error on my remote frontend of 2006-08–16 13:50:59.350 Error: File '/video//1045_20060816130000.mpg' missing. when I try and watch recordings or live tv, do I need to have nfs set up to share that folder w/ the frontend? It appears the frontend is looking locally for the files.. |
| [17:57:25] | gardengnome: | Smithson: no. mythbackend will stream recordings. i believe there's a problem with your setupp.. please open mythtv-setup, go to the first step there and verify that you put in the external ip adress of your box in there. umm, i mean, do this step on your backend box! |
| [17:57:28] | Juski: | does it work on the local frontend? |
| [17:57:30] | josesito: | i think now i know what you meant, when i open localhost in firefox, i've got the two folders: apache, and phpmyadmin it doesn't open a new page, but instead it tries to download a file |
| [17:57:37] | josesito: | that must be what i missed |
| [17:57:41] | Smithson: | thanks, I will double check |
| [17:57:55] | Smithson: | juski: yea it works on the local frontend |
| [17:58:28] | josesito: | i meant when i try to open phpmyadmin folder |
| [17:58:30] | gardengnome: | josesito: looks like your webserver is not properly configured. i had that problem, too, but i didn't bother you to resolve it. alternatively, you can use mysqladmin to set your password – just read its the manual ("man mysqladmin"). |
| [17:58:36] | gardengnome: | s/you// |
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| [17:59:11] | julian_: | ahh, i love the distri kernels, they are soo small |
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| [18:05:15] | josesito: | please i'm stuck! i don't know what to do |
| [18:05:51] | BenB: | gardengnome: users are always right. if they skip the howto, it was too long. if it needs to be that long, the software has to be made less complex. I'm not kidding. |
| [18:06:27] | ** Juski imagines the kind of tech support calls DVD player manufacturers get ** | |
| [18:06:50] | josesito: | BenB, i actually was following the howto, but i can't get through the phpmyadmin thing |
| [18:06:59] | BenB: | Juski: since when do chinese 40 eur devices have tech support? |
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| [18:07:19] | josesito: | i don't even know a thing about mysql |
| [18:07:27] | BenB: | josesito: I can't remember phpmyadmin being part of the howto. are you using the official one on mythtv.org? |
| [18:07:43] | scopeuk: | Juski "where are my pop tarts going" |
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| [18:08:01] | josesito: | this one says it's used to configure mysqlhttp://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html |
| [18:08:11] | BenB: | josesito: the official howto has a section about setting up the root password. it's a bit tricky, esp. without the guide, I have problems myself and i am not a newbie. |
| [18:08:15] | josesito: | this one too: http://www.quietglow.com/docs/ubuntumythtv.html |
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| [18:08:55] | Smithson: | gardengnome: I checked the master backend and both the ip adresses are set to the ip of that machine, it's not localhost, and the setup part of mythfrontend has the masterbackend ip for the database... could that part of the db be somehow corrupted by something? |
| [18:08:55] | BenB: | josesito: this one is the official one: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall |
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| [18:09:20] | Juski: | Smithson: did you restart mythbackend since making the change? |
| [18:09:27] | BenB: | josesito: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| [18:09:54] | Smithson: | juski: I didnt, change anything, just confimed the correct ip, but now I have not restarted the backend, let me try that |
| [18:10:02] | Smithson: | now = no |
| [18:10:18] | Juski: | you have to restart it to make some changes take effect |
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| [18:13:43] | BenB: | hm. I *would* have liked to know, if the howto helped him, though. |
| [18:14:24] | Z_Morek: | anyone here familiar with installing ivtv from source? |
| [18:14:43] | Juski: | well what that left me with was "yes I was wrong. I should have RTFM.. the right manual" |
| [18:15:32] | Juski: | Z_Morek: yes thanks. read the docs at ivtvdriver.org, get the kernel sources & headers, build apps and you're sorted |
| [18:15:51] | BenB: | Juski: if left me with "these guys are unhelpful assholes" |
| [18:16:06] | Z_Morek: | I read the howtwo in the ivtv wiki |
| [18:16:15] | Z_Morek: | whole shebang |
| [18:16:23] | Z_Morek: | and it gives me errors on boot in the init |
| [18:16:27] | Juski: | wah! stamp my foot. WAH! please help wah! |
| [18:16:57] | Juski: | Z_Morek: right ver. ivtv for your kernel? v4l modules made as modules, not built into the kernel? |
| [18:17:15] | Z_Morek: | yes and I'm not sure |
| [18:17:27] | BenB: | Juski: if you spend hours just on installing one software, this is frustrating. |
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| [18:17:43] | BenB: | heh, great. I guess I should suht up |
| [18:18:04] | Machtyn: | when I try to do an "apt-get install mythtv", it tells me it depends on mythtv-frontend and mythtv-backend but it is not going to be installed. Any ideas why not? see http://pastebin.ca/134969 for output details |
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| [18:18:33] | gardengnome: | BenB: yeah. :) |
| [18:19:21] | Jusk1: | BenB: if it takes longer than you think it should be taking, maybe you didn't read enough before starting out. there's a hell of a lot to take in for mythtv, noob or not |
| [18:19:32] | Machtyn: | BenB: try a year with gentoo (lol) I finally gave up on it. Ubuntu has been a little easier, but I'm still having issues, heh. |
| [18:19:32] | magneticmos: | for sure |
| [18:19:41] | Z_Morek: | Machtyn have you tried apt-get -f install ? |
| [18:19:46] | Jusk1: | sorry if mythtv isn't "double click on setup.exe & go" |
| [18:19:55] | Machtyn: | not yet |
| [18:20:01] | Jusk1: | not ever, I hope |
| [18:20:10] | Z_Morek: | or maybe even apt-get build-dep mythtv |
| [18:20:19] | BenB: | Machtyn: why did you give up on gentoo? (not that it related to anything I said) |
| [18:20:35] | Jusk1: | Z_Morek: the errors you get at boot time.. search the ivtv mailing lists on them |
| [18:20:44] | gardengnome: | BenB: i told him oh-so-many times to set his friggin' mysql root password. and i told him where to find information on how to do that. what'd you expect me to do? read the manual to him? or just ravel there to setup his box for him? |
| [18:21:22] | magneticmos: | lol |
| [18:21:25] | magneticmos: | RTFM |
| [18:21:31] | magneticmos: | always |
| [18:21:39] | Jusk1: | it's infruriating sometimes |
| [18:21:40] | magneticmos: | the MYSQL stuff is what sux for setting up Myth |
| [18:21:50] | Jusk1: | magneticmos: granted |
| [18:21:56] | magneticmos: | LInux is good for wasting your life :) |
| [18:21:59] | BenB: | magneticmos: IMHO, if you need to read a manual, the software is badly written. |
| [18:22:01] | Jusk1: | and LIRC.. |
| [18:22:08] | Jusk1: | and xmltv is pretty funky too |
| [18:22:15] | magneticmos: | BenB, uh... |
| [18:22:26] | Machtyn: | I was having all sorts of problems getting gentoo to update properly. about a month ago, I spent about 5 straight days reinstalling gentoo, mysql, a WM, and myth without much luck. So, here I am on day 2 of trying to figure out why mythfilldatabase fails (mysql 5.0 and mythtv 0.18 don't play nice, and mythtv 0.19 isn't wanting to install properly on my ubuntu 6.06 right now) |
| [18:22:28] | Jusk1: | BenB: get away with you |
| [18:22:55] | Jusk1: | Machtyn: there are ubuntu debs for 0.19-fixes for 6.06 (if that's what Dapper is) |
| [18:23:06] | Machtyn: | it is Dapper |
| [18:23:16] | Jusk1: | add one line to /etc/apt/sources.list, run sudo apt-get update |
| [18:23:23] | magneticmos: | what line? |
| [18:23:25] | magneticmos: | i'm running Dapper |
| [18:23:28] | Jusk1: | then sudo apt-get install mythtv. sheesh |
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| [18:23:45] | magneticmos: | Jusk1, you have a link to the .debs |
| [18:23:47] | magneticmos: | ? |
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| [18:23:53] | Jusk1: | magneticmos: hamsta's debs... they're in the channel FAQ I think |
| [18:24:14] | Machtyn: | I've done that, but it tells me the mythtv depends on mythtv-frontend (>=0.18–1.1) but it is not going to be installed. http://pastebin.ca/134969 |
| [18:24:39] | magneticmos: | jusk1: link plz |
| [18:24:55] | magneticmos: | ah but they are prolly x86 right? i need ppc packages |
| [18:25:22] | stuarta: | magneticmos: so you probably need to get the source packages and build it yourself. |
| [18:25:43] | BenB: | Machtyn: it seems you have inconsistent packages there. |
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| [18:25:59] | BenB: | Machtyn: what is "mythtv"? is that just a virtual package depending on the whole shebang? |
| [18:26:04] | julian_: | ha |
| [18:26:10] | julian_: | i found the problem |
| [18:26:11] | BenB: | Machtyn: is there a mythtv-backend? |
| [18:26:25] | Z_Morek: | as far as IVTV I followed the docs and they said to rename 4 files but those 4 files are the ones that end up getting listed in the init ivtv as failing to load |
| [18:26:30] | Machtyn: | http://pastebin.ca/135116 contains the relevant parts of my sources.list |
| [18:26:31] | BenB: | Machtyn: ah, yes, there is.... |
| [18:26:32] | Z_Morek: | modules rather |
| [18:26:39] | Juski: | Z_Morek: which version of ivtv? |
| [18:26:46] | julian_: | i have a wgitespace ond the end of the EXTRAVERSION variable in the kernel Makefile |
| [18:26:49] | magneticmos: | stuarta, yeah :( |
| [18:26:56] | Juski: | cos some parts of that howto refer to certain versions of ivtv |
| [18:27:00] | Z_Morek: | 0.6.3 |
| [18:27:01] | Machtyn: | BenB: I think so. in the synaptic package manager, mythtv-backend isn't listed, but mythtv itself is listed with a bunch of other stuff. |
| [18:27:23] | magneticmos: | BenB, if youa re using Dapper use Synaptic and it will install the dependencies too |
| [18:27:28] | Juski: | Z_Morek: you shouldn't have renamed those files – >=ivtv 0.6 use the kernel modules |
| [18:27:29] | magneticmos: | dont forget to install mysql and apache too |
| [18:27:43] | BenB: | Machtyn: try apt-get remove myth* (incl. browser and co); apt-get install mythtv-backend |
| [18:27:50] | Z_Morek: | Juski- I renamed them back and rebooted, same problem |
| [18:27:55] | BenB: | Machtyn: (save your config files in case you have prune on) |
| [18:28:05] | Juski: | Z_Morek: what kernel version? |
| [18:28:23] | Z_Morek: | 2.6.16-2–486 |
| [18:28:26] | Juski: | Z_Morek: and make sure the v4l stuff is built as modules |
| [18:28:43] | BenB: | Machtyn: i.e. get rid of any installed 0.18 packages, then ignore the "mythtv" and install mythtv-backend and mythtv-frontend instead. |
| [18:28:46] | Z_Morek: | to be honest, I don't even know what that entails |
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| [18:29:11] | BenB: | Machtyn: problem seems to be that the 2 repos use different names and package splitoffs |
| [18:29:17] | Z_Morek: | Juski- is that in the docs somewhere? |
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| [18:29:30] | Machtyn: | well, I'll give it a try. it is the only thing I haven't tried. (Though, I went through the steps to remove about 3 times, heh) |
| [18:29:42] | Juski: | Z_Morek: the ivtv docs have a prerequisite that you know what you're doing with the kernel at least partly |
| [18:29:50] | Z_Morek: | oops |
| [18:29:57] | Z_Morek: | I just kinda dove in |
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| [18:30:03] | Z_Morek: | and hoped the docs would guide me enough |
| [18:30:11] | BenB: | magneticmos: apt-get also installs deps. that's the problem here, because they conflict (as so often in debian, in my experience) |
| [18:30:14] | julian_: | [17186061.044000] ivtv: version magic '2.6.15-26–686 SMP preempt 686 gcc-4.0' should be '2.6.15-26–686 SMP preempt 686 gcc-4.0' |
| [18:30:18] | julian_: | arg |
| [18:30:26] | Juski: | Z_Morek: most kernels come with stuff as modules though – so unless you made your own I doubt that's the problem – but it could still be |
| [18:30:31] | BenB: | magneticmos: FYI, I dom |
| [18:30:43] | BenB: | magneticmos: FYI, I don't use debian/ubuntu, just trying to help Machtyn |
| [18:31:06] | Z_Morek: | Juski- I'm running debian etch and the only things I've built from source were ivtv and mythtv |
| [18:31:14] | Z_Morek: | I've used apt-get for the rest |
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| [18:31:40] | Z_Morek: | following the docs as closely as I could I've gotten some progress but nothing works yet |
| [18:31:51] | Z_Morek: | it's a mess |
| [18:32:21] | Juski: | Z_Morek: the only thing I can think of right now is that you;ve not built ivtv against the right kernel headers |
| [18:32:31] | Z_Morek: | could it be an issue with gcc? |
| [18:32:45] | Z_Morek: | I had that with my nvidia drivers (not that those work either) |
| [18:32:56] | Z_Morek: | will I need to set the cc environment variable? |
| [18:32:58] | Juski: | Z_Morek: don't think so. I reckon that'd just cause the build to fail flat out |
| [18:33:23] | Z_Morek: | apparently I have gcc 4.0 and gcc 4.1 |
| [18:33:31] | Z_Morek: | and the headers were built with gcc 4.0 |
| [18:33:43] | Z_Morek: | or so the nvidia driver script told me |
| [18:35:06] | Z_Morek: | and if I have to recompile and such will I need to remove the files ivtv installed to /usr/local first? |
| [18:35:13] | Z_Morek: | and then reinstall |
| [18:35:20] | Smithson: | juski: would the error problem happen if both of the machins are called localhost? I was reading in the mysql.txt file about that |
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| [18:35:53] | Juski: | Smithson: I dunno. never had a network with all the machines called the same hostname before |
| [18:36:22] | Smithson: | juski: I'll change them and let you know, thanks |
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| [18:38:09] | julian_: | what is this? APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
| [18:38:39] | stuarta: | julian_: it's not the best thing, but as long as your recording still work ignore it. |
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| [18:41:18] | Machtyn: | dang, it seems my system is so broken, I should just start over at installing ubuntu |
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| [18:48:49] | julian_: | so if i do mplayer /dev/video0, it is realy nice but without sound (ivtv) |
| [18:49:08] | julian_: | standart or is there somethong wrong |
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| [18:51:11] | Juski: | julian_: maybe the audio firmware isn't loaded, or you've not got the right tuner type selected, or the wrong freq-table.. or... |
| [18:52:29] | Zider: | oh, 1TB disks are coming |
| [18:53:37] | julian_: | shit |
| [18:54:12] | Slip-up: | hey all, just got the RPM of Myth .19.1 installed, but now its looking for a database.... anyone have any idea what I need there?? |
| [18:54:30] | Juski: | Zider: oo nice. I'll get some before you guys do then. Muhahahahahahaha |
| [18:54:32] | Slip-up: | followed the instructions on the wiki how-to |
| [18:54:44] | julian_: | i will reboot |
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| [18:56:09] | Zider: | Juski: :P |
| [18:56:19] | Zider: | Juski: hitachi is releasing it at the end of the year |
| [18:56:24] | Zider: | or so they say |
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| [19:00:54] | Smithson: | juski: fy for whatever reason you cant have all the computers w/ the same hostname.. evidently it affects something with the db. but regardless that solved the problem |
| [19:00:58] | Smithson: | fyi |
| [19:02:03] | ** stuarta is getting bored with valgrinding. ** | |
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| [19:13:49] | Juski: | Zider: hitachi? eew. so it'll be like 7 platters and consume 10 amps |
| [19:14:06] | Juski: | and they'll have it Deathstar |
| [19:14:13] | Juski: | s/have/call |
| [19:14:15] | Juski: | damn |
| [19:14:18] | Zider: | have no idea, but Iäm sure it'll push seagate to do 1TB disks too |
| [19:14:51] | Juski: | I had a conference call with Seagate techs today. very interesting |
| [19:14:58] | Zider: | not that 750GB is too small or anything, but.. ;) |
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| [19:19:42] | Juski: | time to RTFM about PERL args |
| [19:21:08] | Juski: | you know it's really true what they say when you learn something new.. use it – or lose it |
| [19:22:58] | Zider: | yeah |
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| [19:28:15] | Juski: | and now I can assign args to variables, yay |
| [19:28:31] | Machtyn: | BenB: you still around? |
| [19:28:51] | BenB: | Machtyn: yes. |
| [19:29:51] | Machtyn: | I tried uninstalling all myth packages and reinstalling (all using the Synaptic Package Manager) but it keeps telling me that it depends on the frontend and backend and those are not going to be installed |
| [19:30:27] | BenB: | Machtyn: can you give me the output like before? |
| [19:30:52] | Machtyn: | http://pastebin.ca/134969 |
| [19:32:19] | BenB: | Machtyn: also "apt-cache search myth" please |
| [19:32:51] | BenB: | Machtyn: no, I meant the current output after your attempts |
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| [19:35:47] | Machtyn: | BenB: Ah, ok. hang on. http://pastebin.ca/135180 and http://pastebin.ca/135182 |
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| [19:37:11] | BenB: | Machtyn: "apt-cache search --full myth", sorry (I wanted the versions) |
| [19:37:43] | BenB: | Machtyn: and what happens, if you do apt-get install mythtv-backend? |
| [19:41:13] | Machtyn: | BenB: http://pastebin.ca/135186 |
| [19:41:21] | Machtyn: | hang on, I'll try |
| [19:41:48] | Machtyn: | it complains that it depends on mythtv-common |
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| [19:42:23] | scottder: | Hey all, just about every other time I enter MythMusic it segfaults and kills my frontend, and good ways to debug this? |
| [19:45:35] | BenB: | Machtyn: ackage: mythtv-backend Version: 0.18.1–5ubuntu3 that's your problem |
| [19:46:22] | Machtyn: | yeah. this is the relevant part of my sources.list http://pastebin.ca/135116 |
| [19:46:31] | Machtyn: | should I use another source? |
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| [19:47:59] | BenB: | Machtyn: no idea. get the 0.18 crap out there, if possible |
| [19:50:11] | BenB: | Machtyn: I wonder how you could end up with a mythtv package of 0.19 and only a mythtv-backend of 0.18 |
| [19:51:40] | Machtyn: | Well, I had installed 0.18, got to the point of mythfilldatabase, discovered myth 0.18 and mysql 5.0 don't play nice, discovered that myth 0.19 can be installed, added the sources and boom, that's where I'm at at the moment |
| [19:52:26] | Machtyn: | (Oh, at one point, I tried to do the manual install described on the mythtv.org site) |
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| [19:54:10] | magneticmos: | Machtyn, the thing was to install mysql 4 |
| [19:54:31] | magneticmos: | u using ppc? |
| [19:54:32] | Machtyn: | ah. yes. I wish I had known that ealier ;-) |
| [19:54:50] | Machtyn: | ppc? |
| [19:55:40] | Machtyn: | should I start over and do a clean ubuntu install |
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| [20:11:54] | magneticmos: | Machtyn, u using ppc version? |
| [20:12:02] | magneticmos: | just use synaptic it installs full package |
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| [20:13:19] | Machtyn: | When I try Synaptic Package Manager, it tells me that it depends on the frontend and backend yet refuses to install it |
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| [20:13:40] | Machtyn: | I don't think I am using ppc. |
| [20:13:42] | magneticmos: | Machtyn, hmm i installed it ok – i'll ask AGAIN are you using the ppc version |
| [20:13:46] | magneticmos: | what machine? |
| [20:14:03] | BenB: | Machtyn: I'd rather try to get the rests of 0.18 uninstalled, find out which repo the 0.18 package infos come from (if any), and find out why the repo with 0.19 has "mythtv", but not "mythtv-backend". |
| [20:14:16] | Machtyn: | amd sempron. 512 MB ram, nvidia 4000 mx, hauppauge 150 |
| [20:14:25] | magneticmos: | ah |
| [20:14:27] | BenB: | Machtyn: if it's one of the latter problems, and you reinstall, you might run into the same problerm again |
| [20:14:45] | magneticmos: | just dpkg what you installed why reinstall the whole os |
| [20:14:48] | lelo_1966: | I have a question about getting rid of some recordings that are stuck and cannot be removed via myth |
| [20:15:30] | lelo_1966: | there are 3 programs that will not delete via mythtv no matter what. I looked in the recordings folder and they files do not exist, I am guessing its a mysql problem |
| [20:15:31] | BenB: | lelo_1966: look in your recordings dir on disk (see settings), and in the database table "recorded". |
| [20:16:14] | Machtyn: | BenB: yeah, that's why I haven't taken the leap. I appreciate both of your help |
| [20:17:00] | lelo_1966: | Benb: what am I looking for? |
| [20:17:45] | lelo_1966: | BenB: I do not have access to my frontend right now but I tried via mythweb |
| [20:18:46] | Juski: | lelo_1966: easy one. touch the non-existent files back into existence with the "touch <foo>" command where <foo> is the filename. then you'll be able to delete the recordings |
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| [20:20:11] | lelo_1966: | Juski: I am not sure what the filenames are :( |
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| [20:20:31] | Juski: | lelo_1966: so try to delete them again, and this time look in the mythbackend log and see what filenames it complains about |
| [20:20:48] | lelo_1966: | Juski: will do thanks! |
| [20:21:37] | creeeeed: | hey guys, can someone help me with a pvr150 question? |
| [20:21:46] | ficusplanet: | Hey everyone. I've been running mythtv 0.19 for a couple months now with a PVR-250/EPIA system, and it's been great. I just stumbled across the recording profiles and was wondering what would be ideal for my type of setup. Should I just crank up the resolution and bitrates? |
| [20:22:26] | Juski: | creeeeed: just ask instead of being a pussy :) |
| [20:22:35] | creeeeed: | hey thanks man |
| [20:22:40] | creeeeed: | can anyone tell me if this card would be as good as any other pvr150 in my myth box? |
| [20:22:43] | creeeeed: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116633 |
| [20:23:22] | Juski: | ficusplanet: experiment with different settings, but careful you don't break it (you should back up your database regularly anyway, right) |
| [20:23:43] | Juski: | creeeeed: it's a PVR150 – what more can be said? |
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| [20:24:13] | creeeeed: | yeah...it has the red and white for audio, plus no remote, and its cheaper in general so i just wanted to make sure |
| [20:24:20] | creeeeed: | i need that hardware encoding |
| [20:24:21] | ficusplanet: | Juski: Cool. |
| [20:24:32] | creeeeed: | my crappy pinacle card is a bad situation |
| [20:24:50] | Juski: | ficusplanet: higher numbers generally mean better ;) but more bitrate will eat up diskspace faster |
| [20:25:06] | Juski: | so it'll be a trade-off.. disk space vs quality you can live with |
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| [20:25:24] | ficusplanet: | Juski: Cool. Not too worried about disk space, so I'll just ramp it right up. |
| [20:25:41] | Juski: | personally I go for 2Mbps at 720x576 for most recordings |
| [20:26:10] | Juski: | ficusplanet: there'll be a point at which you cease to see any improvement I think – so experiment |
| [20:26:29] | ficusplanet: | Juski: Sounds good. Thanks for the pointers. |
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| [20:29:06] | Aid`: | Juski: that is for HDTV? |
| [20:29:29] | Juski: | Aid`: did I say it was for HDTV? nope |
| [20:29:47] | Aid`: | sdtv? |
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| [20:31:53] | lelo_1966: | Juski: that did it! thanks dude!!! |
| [20:32:04] | lelo_1966: | little annoyances that get to me! |
| [20:32:51] | Juski: | you're welcome |
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| [20:33:18] | Slip-up: | anyone know much about suse? |
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| [20:33:58] | Slip-up: | trying to find info about an error code I keep getting |
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| [20:34:45] | Juski: | Can't locate object method "fetchrow_array"... bah! |
| [20:35:21] | s_g_robertson: | i'm guessing most people here are on the mythtv-users list but on the off chance... I've got a problem with FF/REW but it seems a bit weird. Everything seems fine if I schedule a recording for a currently showing program and then start watching the recording however if i stop the recording and start watching it again FF/REW all goes bananas |
| [20:36:30] | Anduin: | s_g_robertson: Usually a recordedmarkup table corruption problem. |
| [20:36:54] | Juski: | or timekeeping between the FE & BE |
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| [20:47:40] | Juski: | damnit |
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| [20:53:14] | Juski: | finally! that's the problem with cribbing from other scripts.. they all use different variable names.. muhahahahaha |
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| [20:59:37] | haj: | 2 |
| [21:00:15] | Juski: | 3 |
| [21:00:21] | haj: | yeb.. |
| [21:00:28] | Juski: | a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha |
| [21:00:30] | haj: | my switchbox sucks :) |
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| [21:03:22] | haj: | totally retarded keycombination... ctrl-alt-stift -> number -> enter |
| [21:05:04] | s_g_robertson: | sorry to be rude and disappear |
| [21:05:15] | s_g_robertson: | computer went a "bit funny" |
| [21:06:24] | s_g_robertson: | i'm using a version from SVN that has recordedseek table, I believe that replaces recordedmarkup |
| [21:07:00] | Anduin: | s_g_robertson: It does. |
| [21:07:13] | haj: | 2 |
| [21:07:16] | haj: | argh |
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| [21:15:58] | s_g_robertson: | ahh i do get an error http://pastebin.ca/135297 |
| [21:16:58] | s_g_robertson: | tried mysqlcheck with -r and itclaims to have fixed the error |
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| [21:23:47] | Slip-up: | anyone know if the problems were ironed out with the newest kernel (i.e. dvb, etc) or is it best to stick with 2.6.15? |
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| [21:25:26] | stuarta: | Slip-up: there's continual ironing going on. YMMV |
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| [21:30:54] | Slip-up: | :) |
| [21:31:00] | Slip-up: | hehehehehehe ain't that the truth |
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| [21:31:34] | s_g_robertson: | Anaduin: no joy still seems to have a problem It's driving me nuts!! |
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| [21:41:41] | Anduin: | s_g_robertson: With the table corrupt the problem could be that the data isn't there, try mythcommflag --rebuild on the recording. |
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| [21:48:24] | s_g_robertson: | anaduin: i was going to try starting from scratch with the database so i backed it up, when you said that I though id restore it and try that first however when i try that i get errors |
| [21:49:17] | s_g_robertson: | anduin:http://pastebin.ca/135320 |
| [21:49:58] | s_g_robertson: | anduin:looks like I might have more of a problem |
| [21:50:11] | Anduin: | Yeah, that table name isn't right. |
| [21:50:38] | s_g_robertson: | anduin:might be just as well to start from the beginning again |
| [21:51:00] | Anduin: | s_g_robertson: crazy just for the seek table, but do as you like |
| [21:51:29] | s_g_robertson: | anduin:i'm open to suggestions, i'm just learning as I go really |
| [21:52:16] | Anduin: | s_g_robertson: mythcommflag can rebuild the seek table, I'd use it before starting over. |
| [21:53:59] | s_g_robertson: | anduin: I think I may have rushed into things though. I backed up the database and then dropped the existing one and it was when I tried restoring that I got that error with the funny table name |
| [21:54:49] | Anduin: | s_g_robertson: delete the inserts into the bad table from the backup before restoring. |
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| [21:59:36] | s_g_robertson: | anduin: didnt realise i could do that ill give that a shot, thanks for your help |
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| [22:26:53] | galorin: | How cute. My 2 year old got up in the middle of the night, and she's making a penguin to pass the time. |
| [22:27:25] | Juski: | bad sign. make her an appointment with a child psychologist ASAP |
| [22:30:46] | galorin: | Nah.. if she were drawing windows, then I'd be getting her to a shrink. |
| [22:31:26] | Juski: | heheh. fair nuff :) |
| [22:32:52] | galorin: | It's been 2 weeks since I set this PC up as a myth box, and I still don't have it hooked up with an antenna |
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| [22:39:10] | rob-ix: | Hi, I'm having a strange problem with my MythTV setup. It's getting to the point where I'm starting to pull my hair out... I have a Nova-T DVB card, that works perfectly when I'm just sat watching TV, but as soon as I start using my computer the output becomes corrupted, loads of 'ac tex damaged'. It is not load related, as I can to CPU intensive things and everything is ok, but as soon as I start using my mouse/keyboard/screen the output gets mes |
| [22:39:18] | rob-ix: | for reference the system is an AMD 64bit 3000, Nvidia 6600, 1gb ram, 200gb+80gb seagate HD's all on a Abit AN8 Nvidia NForce motherboard, spec wise it is more than capable of the task at hand |
| [22:39:34] | rob-ix: | DUH! sorry I was just typing that into the MythLog IRC screen by mistake |
| [22:41:38] | kormoc: | Mythlog? |
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| [22:42:49] | rob-ix: | [mpeg2video @ 0x2ba3b9c25450]ac-tex damaged at 26 33 |
| [22:42:49] | rob-ix: | [mpeg2video @ 0x2ba3b9c25450]mb incr damaged |
| [22:42:49] | rob-ix: | [mpeg2video @ 0x2ba3b9c25450]mb incr damaged |
| [22:42:49] | rob-ix: | [mpeg2video @ 0x2ba3b9c25450]skipped MB in I frame at 0 26 |
| [22:42:49] | rob-ix: | [mpeg2video @ 0x2ba3b9c25450]invalid mb type in P Frame at 26 22 |
| [22:42:49] | rob-ix: | [mpeg2video @ 0x2ba3b9c25450]ac-tex damaged at 43 27 |
| [22:42:51] | rob-ix: | [mpeg2video @ 0x2ba3b9c25450]ac-tex damaged at 16 2 |
| [22:42:53] | rob-ix: | [mpeg2video @ 0x2ba3b9c25450]ac-tex damaged at 5 13 |
| [22:42:55] | rob-ix: | [mpeg2video @ 0x2ba3b9c25450]slice mismatch |
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| [22:46:23] | kormoc: | rob-ix, please use a pastebin, like the one in the topic, rather then flooding the channel |
| [22:46:38] | rob-ix: | ok, sorry |
| [22:46:56] | lars___: | When I try to access the recorded files via mythweb i get the message that the access is forbidden 403. All other parts of mythweb are ok. Any of you had the same problem ? |
| [22:47:33] | Anduin: | lars___: What does the link to the file look like? Did you make is accessible? |
| [22:47:40] | lars___: | I used the instructions form the gentoo wiki. |
| [22:48:44] | lars___: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 apache apache 11 Aug 16 23:45 recordings -> /mnt/store/ |
| [22:49:36] | Anduin: | lars___: That alone doesn't mean much |
| [22:49:50] | kormoc: | yet alone if apache is setup to follow symlinks or not |
| [22:50:01] | rob-ix: | lars___ what are the permissions on /mnt/store? eg ls -ll /mnt/store |
| [22:50:36] | lars___: | -rwxrwxrwx 1 mythtv video 92928000 Aug 16 23:47 1029_20060816234500.mpg |
| [22:50:36] | lars___: | -rwxrwxrwx 1 mythtv video 27800 Aug 16 23:47 1029_20060816234500.mpg.png |
| [22:50:44] | rob-ix: | or rather 'ls -ld /mnt/store |
| [22:51:08] | rob-ix: | without the extra ' |
| [22:51:14] | lars___: | I set the Options FollowSymLinks in httpd.conf |
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| [22:52:50] | lars___: | drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 Aug 16 23:50 /mnt/store/ |
| [22:53:19] | rob-ix: | what user is Apache/httpd running as? |
| [22:53:25] | lars___: | apache |
| [22:53:49] | lars___: | do you want me to chown /mnt/store to apache ? |
| [22:53:56] | rob-ix: | try 'chown -R apache:apache /mnt/store' and try again |
| [22:53:58] | rob-ix: | yep |
| [22:54:02] | lars___: | ok |
| [22:54:14] | rob-ix: | sometimes Apache has problems when it does explicitly own the dir/file |
| [22:54:41] | Anduin: | Only if the perms are wrong. |
| [22:54:52] | rob-ix: | I've had it even with 666 perms |
| [22:54:55] | lars___: | still same problem |
| [22:55:01] | lars___: | :( |
| [22:55:14] | rob-ix: | what does your access/error log say |
| [22:55:39] | rob-ix: | eg 'tail -f /var/log/apache2/error_log |
| [22:55:39] | rob-ix: | ' and try to access the file |
| [22:57:04] | rob-ix: | do you have an 'Allow from all' in the httpd.conf for the directory? |
| [22:57:55] | rob-ix: | eg : <Directory /mnt/store> |
| [22:57:55] | rob-ix: | Allow from all |
| [22:57:55] | rob-ix: | Order deny,allow |
| [22:57:55] | rob-ix: | </Directory> |
| [22:59:06] | lars___: | [Thu Aug 17 00:59:35 2006] [error] [client 192.168.1.41] (75)Value too large for defined data type: access to /mythweb/data/recordings/1010_20060816123703.mpg failed, referer: http://192.168.1.32/mythweb/tv/recorded |
| [22:59:17] | rob-ix: | ah ha |
| [22:59:22] | rob-ix: | how big is the file? |
| [22:59:34] | rob-ix: | ls -sh /mnt/store/1010_20060816123703.mpg |
| [22:59:39] | lars___: | 3 gb |
| [22:59:41] | rob-ix: | some apaches have problems with files over 2gb |
| [22:59:46] | lars___: | bingo |
| [22:59:51] | rob-ix: | try placing a smaller file in there and try it |
| [23:00:02] | rob-ix: | what version of apache are you running? |
| [23:00:29] | rob-ix: | I know some versions have problems with files >2gb |
| [23:01:01] | lars___: | Server version: Apache/2.0.58 |
| [23:01:01] | lars___: | Server built: Aug 16 2006 22:44:53 |
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| [23:02:04] | lars___: | do you know if this apache version is affected by that bug ? |
| [23:03:32] | rob-ix: | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/new_features_2_2.html |
| [23:03:32] | rob-ix: | Large File Support httpd is now built with support for files larger than 2GB on modern 32-bit Unix systems. Support for handling >2GB request bodies has also been added. |
| [23:03:53] | rob-ix: | Apache-2–2.x fixes the problem on 32bit systems |
| [23:04:04] | rob-ix: | but I think it's still hard masked on Gentoo |
| [23:04:32] | lars___: | ok so i have to update apcahe 2 .. |
| [23:04:54] | lars___: | I am running a test with a smaller file in 2 min then we know for sure |
| [23:05:39] | lars___: | thanks a ton for your help so far .... I never figured that out on my own – was gooleing the web for hours now |
| [23:06:09] | rob-ix: | I've come across it a few times and it always took me a while to figure it out |
| [23:06:48] | rob-ix: | or you could upgrade to a 64bit computer ;-) |
| [23:07:42] | lars___: | :) yes that is right but my mythtv computer is very small and quite and i like it this way :) |
| [23:08:50] | rob-ix: | my experience of Apache-2.2.x is that it is quite stable. I recently installed it on a large production web-cluster for a large UK university |
| [23:09:00] | rob-ix: | and they had no problems with it |
| [23:09:08] | rob-ix: | well.... the time I was there anyway ;-) |
| [23:09:58] | rob-ix: | as a side point, what is the partition filesystem? I know some MS filesystems have problems with files over 2gb too |
| [23:10:25] | kormoc: | it wouldn't allow creation of the files to be over 2gb if the filesystem didn't support it |
| [23:10:41] | rob-ix: | good point |
| [23:11:31] | kormoc: | and fat 16 was the microsoft filesystem that was at 2 gb limited, and that's been largely unused for years. |
| [23:11:55] | kormoc: | fat 32 is 4 gig files, ntfs is 16 tb files |
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| [23:14:07] | lars___: | so my mythtv is broken :( he cant find a file in /mnt/store any more so i have to stop the testing here and start working on mythtv again :( |
| [23:14:28] | kormoc: | lars___, chmod them back to the mythtv user? |
| [23:14:44] | rob-ix: | sorry to repeat myself, but does anyone have any ideas of why I seem to get corruption on mpeg files when I'm recording on mythtv and doing something on the computer, and not when I just watch TV throught mythtv? |
| [23:15:38] | lars___: | just made it but now i get the message: |
| [23:15:42] | lars___: | 2006-08–17 01:15:26.772 RingBuf(/mnt/store//1022_20060817011526.mpg): Invalid file (fd 14) when opening '/mnt/store//1022_20060817011526.mpg'. 12 retries remaining. |
| [23:16:06] | lars___: | Do you know how i can stop mythtv from requesting the file ? |
| [23:16:17] | kormoc: | sure, delete the file from the DB |
| [23:16:18] | rob-ix: | delete it? |
| [23:16:33] | kormoc: | but you can't watch it without attempting to get it from the drive... |
| [23:16:39] | lars___: | oups the db .... ok ty |
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| [23:18:29] | Juski: | danm this perl regex |
| [23:21:46] | lars___: | is there a way to delete the /mnt/store files in the database by using the frontend ? |
| [23:22:03] | lars___: | or do i have to access the db directly and delete them by sql ? |
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| [23:24:04] | rob-ix: | 'Manage Recordings -> delete recordings' from the main menu/screen |
| [23:24:23] | legtod2: | Hello all |
| [23:24:48] | Juski: | lars___: what? |
| [23:25:35] | Juski: | lars___: if you mean that mythbackend is complaining about missing files & you can no longer delete them, you have to touch the files into existence then try deleting them again |
| [23:25:48] | Juski: | and then find out why the files are not there |
| [23:26:10] | lars___: | ah ok that is a good idea because the files are not listed in the frontend |
| [23:28:17] | lars___: | Error, file not found: /mnt/store//1022_20060817012812.mpg |
| [23:29:04] | lars___: | that file is a new file so i think it is a chmod problem |
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| [23:31:12] | legtod2: | Has any new developement/patching for firewire connectin to a DCT-6200 |
| [23:32:40] | kormoc: | likely not too much, given it's stable and working now? |
| [23:32:57] | kormoc: | of course, there's also looking at the logs at what's changed |
| [23:33:25] | legtod2: | I have period problems with it. |
| [23:33:34] | kormoc: | Did you post a bug report? |
| [23:34:12] | legtod2: | I get the dredded 15 second time out routinely. |
| [23:34:30] | kormoc: | so I take it that's a no? |
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| [23:36:11] | legtod2: | It works sometimes but when I switch between pvr-250 and firewire it won't connect |
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| [23:36:32] | kormoc: | Well, you might want to file a bug report, so people know to look into it |
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| [23:36:56] | legtod2: | I am using DCT-6200 with p2p and 100mbs |
| [23:37:13] | kormoc: | I'm assuming you know that you don't file bug reports in here, right? |
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| [23:37:52] | legtod2: | Yes, just looking whether this is a common problem or not. |
| [23:38:15] | kormoc: | it's not, SlicerDicer is running 3x 6200's and xris is running 1 6200 all fine |
| [23:38:34] | kormoc: | as well as a hand full of others |
| [23:38:40] | legtod2: | Perhaps its a mythtvsetup issue |
| [23:39:07] | legtod2: | My dct-6200 has 2 1394 port on the back. |
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| [23:39:39] | legtod2: | When I turn on and off the dct-6200 the plugreport shows the node moves from 0 to 1. |
| [23:40:09] | TrickFinlay2: | hey guys,is it possible to add an answering machine function to mythtv? |
| [23:40:09] | legtod2: | When I unplug and replug into same port it changes from 0 to 1 |
| [23:40:16] | lmpbzktwn5: | Hey guys, anyone know of phone plugin for mythTV (not mythphone) that can allow the mythtv box to have a voice-capable modem installed to use as an answering machine? |
| [23:40:56] | kormoc: | lmpbzktwn5, that is the only phone plugin at the moment, so no |
| [23:41:13] | kormoc: | TrickFinlay2, in short, not right now, but perhaps you can write one? |
| [23:41:46] | kormoc: | legtod2, there are two for passtough, SlicerDicer's setup is dasey chained, so all three 6200's are off of a single firewire port on the computer |
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| [23:43:19] | legtod2: | kormoc, the DCT6200 has a cat5 network connection. Is that accessable, example if I enable dhcp will it become active ? |
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| [23:44:07] | kormoc: | legtod2, afaik, yes, but myth can't interface with it |
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| [23:46:24] | legtod2: | kormoc, does it really matter if I use p2p or bcast to communicate with the DCT-6200, wiki says to use p2p. |
| [23:47:40] | TrickFinlay2: | kormoc: do you recommend any linux based answering machines? |
| [23:49:35] | kormoc: | legtod2, both work afaik, but p2p seems to work better for most people |
| [23:49:39] | kormoc: | legtod2, it can't hurt to try |
| [23:49:49] | kormoc: | TrickFinlay2, sadly, I can't. I've never really looked into it |
| [23:50:39] | TrickFinlay2: | kormoc: thats fine,im just trying to setup up the ulimate dorm room,and i just starting looking at linux based answering machines a few minutes ago |
| [23:50:57] | TrickFinlay2: | thanks for the answers though |
| [23:52:15] | TrickFinlay2: | are there anyother mythtv based plugins regarding a phones? even like a caller id |
| [23:52:29] | TrickFinlay2: | or any voip solutions? |
| [23:54:26] | kormoc: | just mythphone |
| [23:55:13] | TrickFinlay2: | hmmm ok |
| [23:59:03] | kormoc: | personally, I just use Vonage |
| [23:59:08] | kormoc: | it works out well and is rather cheap |
| [23:59:34] | TrickFinlay2: | im on a budget of $0 |
| [23:59:41] | kormoc: | well, erm |
| [23:59:44] | rob-ix: | try sipgate.co.uk they are great |
| [23:59:48] | scott_: | the ultimate dorm room |
| [23:59:51] | Juski: | oo my userjob script is coming along nicely now |
| [23:59:51] | kormoc: | how would you get the phone number for the voip? |
| [23:59:57] | rob-ix: | and dont charge for incoming/answer phone |
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