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| [00:22:40] | sunnyhours4130: | anyone have any thoughts as to which is the "best" commercial detection method? |
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| [00:35:36] | scopeuk: | bsdfox i was udner the impresion that the user for the front end was of little import |
| [00:35:46] | scopeuk: | sunnyhours4130 manual |
| [00:37:40] | bsdfox: | scopeuk, I'm not sure, but mine runs as mythtv |
| [00:38:59] | scopeuk: | bsdfox so does mine but thats by the by |
| [00:39:11] | scopeuk: | its probably good practice to do so |
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| [00:41:02] | ravalox: | that was indeedthe answer, thanks. |
| [00:42:32] | scopeuk: | radi0head weve all done it |
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| [00:58:57] | sunnyhours4130: | scopeuk how do you do manual detection? do you use an editor and remove the commercial sections? |
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| [01:12:39] | PaulWay[w]: | Hi all! |
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| [01:28:02] | hydroksyde_work: | I'm thinking of porting dialog to libmythui... is there any documentation for libmythui, or just the code and examples? |
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| [01:38:24] | PaulWay[w]: | hydroksyde_work: You'd best ask in the #mythtv development channel. |
| [01:38:38] | PaulWay[w]: | I believe the codes fairly well doxygenated. |
| [01:39:21] | PaulWay[w]: | I was going to ask what I have to change to get programs transcoded automatically. |
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| [01:39:39] | PaulWay[w]: | But I realised that I prefer to edit the commercials out first and then activate transcoding manually thereafter. |
| [01:39:53] | PaulWay[w]: | I've just got to get around to actually topping and tailing them. |
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| [01:43:33] | sunnyhours4130: | what do you use to manually edit the commercials out? |
| [01:45:08] | tank-man: | press e while watching |
| [01:46:14] | PaulWay[w]: | Then 'z' (I think) includes any commercial-flagged regions automatically. |
| [01:46:27] | PaulWay[w]: | Check them, because they're not always right. |
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| [02:17:34] | medwards: | ok, now I'm irritated.. |
| [02:18:11] | medwards: | My Smart Joy Plus adaptor works *perfect* with a standard PS2 controller... but doesn't produce anything when I put in a DDR pad. |
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| [02:18:23] | sunnyhours4130: | that game is dumb anyway |
| [02:18:40] | sunnyhours4130: | i think its trying to tell you someting |
| [02:19:19] | medwards: | There is an entire class of dumb games that I enjoy so I don't plan on giving it up based on that. |
| [02:19:27] | sunnyhours4130: | heh |
| [02:19:40] | medwards: | I love schmups too so the analog joystick on the PS2 controller has been a dream.. |
| [02:22:35] | medwards: | But, for counterexample, I also like the more intellectual games.. System Shock, Shadow of Colossus, I'll throw Homeworld and the new approach to FPS that HL brought. |
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| [02:38:34] | medwards: | bah it's probably this cheap ass pad.. |
| [02:38:37] | ** medwards goes and plays some FPS. ** | |
| [02:38:42] | hydroksyde_work: | can I put a global mysql.txt in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt? |
| [02:39:25] | GreyFoxx: | hydroksyde_work: You can if that is where your mysql.txt is suppose to be |
| [02:39:44] | GreyFoxx: | if you compile from source it does into /usr/local/share/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [02:39:51] | GreyFoxx: | s/does/goes |
| [02:39:54] | hydroksyde_work: | I see |
| [02:40:40] | hydroksyde_work: | well, I compiled it from a slackbuild, most of which I didn't write |
| [02:40:58] | hydroksyde_work: | and am currently adding a setup wizard, so I'll have to check the build script |
| [02:44:05] | John1: | there's a lot of data that shows up when I cat a /dev/v4l/vbi# .. is there anyway to decode all of that, see what's there? |
| [02:45:28] | GreyFoxx: | John1: There are various utilities out there for reading vbi info |
| [02:45:50] | GreyFoxx: | Was there something specific you are looking for? Or jsut CC info ingeneral ? |
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| [02:55:15] | John1: | I want to look at everythign in the stream that's available |
| [02:55:30] | John1: | just explore it .. but, I'm not talented enough to use the library that I found |
| [02:55:38] | John1: | so I was hoping I could find a pre-written tool that did that :) |
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| [04:24:36] | prologic: | The remote tcp interface to mythtv, is there a client for it ? |
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| [04:39:03] | gardengnome: | prologic: telnet. |
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| [04:49:11] | defaultro: | good evening guys, wake up :P |
| [04:51:19] | word: | make me >< |
| [04:51:26] | defaultro: | hey, what's the word? |
| [04:51:31] | defaultro: | you fix your issue? |
| [04:51:50] | word: | no not yet :"( |
| [04:51:59] | defaultro: | oh |
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| [04:56:09] | defaultro: | so guys, how is the OSD in Xvmc, does it have a color now? What about performance, does it still stutter? |
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| [04:56:26] | gardengnome: | defaultro: what graphics chipset are you using? |
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| [04:58:17] | defaultro: | 6600 FT |
| [04:58:19] | defaultro: | GT |
| [04:58:36] | defaultro: | i'm planning to upgrade everything on september |
| [04:58:44] | gardengnome: | humm, so the chromakeyosd hack doesn't work for you, right? |
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| [04:58:54] | defaultro: | even going with 1.0–8762 nvidia version |
| [04:59:22] | defaultro: | i reported an issue with 1.0–8756 which nvidia confirmed |
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| [05:16:29] | __rich__: | has anyone ever been electrically shocked by their cable coaxial? Is that normal, or does that indicate that there is a grounding problem? |
| [05:16:44] | __rich__: | no friggin way I'm connecting that thing to my computer |
| [05:17:22] | tank-man: | no. idon't know |
| [05:21:21] | Agrajag-: | __rich__: yeah i do |
| [05:21:36] | Agrajag-: | __rich__: like i feel a fairly strongish tingling when i touch it |
| [05:21:43] | __rich__: | that's what I get |
| [05:21:53] | Agrajag-: | i've got mine connected fine :) |
| [05:22:01] | NeTTwerk: | ugh |
| [05:22:37] | __rich__: | I think i'm going to wire it through my surge protector to see if that properly grounds it. I hate to add another connection, though...the signal is shit as it is, especially split between two tuners in my pvr500 |
| [05:23:40] | __rich__: | but last night I connected the coax directly to my tuner, and this morning the hard drive I was using as a root and boot filesystem was toast |
| [05:24:59] | __rich__: | when I connect it to my cable box, I see a small blue arc of electricity when contact is made |
| [05:26:31] | NeTTwerk: | fack |
| [05:27:06] | Agrajag-: | __rich__: hmm doesn't sound good. i assumed it was supposed to be like that, heh |
| [05:27:22] | Agrajag-: | i've got mine split to two dvb cards |
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| [05:32:51] | Agrajag-: | oh hang on now im not sure if it's cable internet that has that or my normal antenna.. must be my cable internet. hasn't damaged my modem :P |
| [05:33:28] | __rich__: | I'll call my cable company and check |
| [05:33:38] | __rich__: | I'm not electronics whiz |
| [05:34:58] | John1: | rich.. |
| [05:35:07] | John1: | I had the problem at an apartment |
| [05:35:18] | John1: | I used aligator clips connected to the outside of the case and to the outside of the coax |
| [05:35:28] | John1: | I hooked those together.. making a common ground |
| [05:35:58] | John1: | then, I'd connect the cable to the card (if I didn't do that, it'd shut the computer down from the voltage difference) |
| [05:36:24] | John1: | but.. yea, might want to talk to an electrician or the cable company – see if they can professionally ground the two systems together :) |
| [05:37:08] | __rich__: | when you say the "outside of the coax", do you just mean on the plastic shielding? |
| [05:37:40] | John1: | no, the metal part that screws onto the coax connection |
| [05:37:48] | __rich__: | oh i see, that makes more sense |
| [05:38:02] | John1: | I don't know how bad the difference is between the inside signal, though |
| [05:38:30] | __rich__: | well this cable is extended about three times from the other side of the house from the outside , through the basement and up to the living room |
| [05:38:49] | __rich__: | ground is probably screwed up somewhere along there |
| [05:39:04] | John1: | sounds like it, heh |
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| [05:58:27] | JohnQ: | For some reason, my backend does not seem to be transcoding the mpeg2s that come from my PVR-500 into mpeg4. So... 1) How can I make it do that by default and 2) how can I make it go back and transcode the things it has already recorded? |
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| [06:13:28] | defaultro: | hey guys, how is AM2 type mobos |
| [06:14:07] | JohnQ: | is the chiupset via? |
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| [06:16:44] | PaulWay[w]: | JohnQ: BTW. you can get it to transcode programmes by going to the programme in Watch Recordings, pressing 'right', then going to 'Job Options' and selecting 'Begin Transcoding'. |
| [06:17:06] | PaulWay[w]: | I always do my transcoding after I've put in my cut list to remove the ads and save some more space. |
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| [06:20:54] | JohnQ: | I'm not intending to KEEP these recordings longterm.. just wanna save a bit of space... and keep the myth box busy as I sleep :-) |
| [06:21:26] | JohnQ: | When you say "Begin Transcoding" is that a "start NOW" or a "Add to the queue" type of "begin"? |
| [06:25:48] | JohnQ: | Now if I can just figure out how to make it automagically transcode after the comertial flagging.. |
| [06:31:43] | tank-man: | you can have it auto transcode but it will be with commercials, but you can have it skip commercials on play back |
| [06:33:22] | JohnQ: | Ya.. thats what I wanna do, but for whatever reason, it doesnt auto transcode. |
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| [06:39:30] | exmod: | you know... transcoding only works if you specify a transcoding profile before you attempt to do any transcoding |
| [06:40:06] | PaulWay[w]: | "Begin Transcoding" means "Add to the queue", above, there. JohnQ. |
| [06:40:23] | PaulWay[w]: | exmod: No, if one isn't specified it'll use the default. |
| [06:40:36] | PaulWay[w]: | If you haven't set up a default then I don't know what happens. |
| [06:40:41] | PaulWay[w]: | Probably doesn't transcode, as you say. |
| [06:41:05] | defaultro: | if you were to choose guys for your new computer, Intel or AMD cpu? |
| [06:41:10] | exmod: | if you haven't set up the default it won't do anything apart from fail to transcode saying 'unknown video codec' |
| [06:41:17] | PaulWay[w]: | I have a feeling getting it to auto transcode is a setting in the back end config. |
| [06:41:22] | PaulWay[w]: | defaultro: AMD every time. |
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| [06:41:28] | defaultro: | ok |
| [06:41:30] | PaulWay[w]: | Intel are too expensive. |
| [06:41:36] | defaultro: | that's what i saw too |
| [06:41:39] | defaultro: | it's too expensive |
| [06:41:40] | exmod: | I'd choose whichever runs coolest at idle |
| [06:41:50] | PaulWay[w]: | Which is also another good point. |
| [06:42:04] | defaultro: | k |
| [06:42:15] | exmod: | I'm sick of AMD XP CPUs based systems pulling 120W from the mains |
| [06:42:31] | PaulWay[w]: | In which case you'd pay much more for a Pentium M rather than get a cheap AMD. |
| [06:42:37] | defaultro: | i'm thinking of going with AMD which is AM2 based |
| [06:43:00] | defaultro: | i was really happy with my amd 3000+ |
| [06:43:04] | exmod: | apparently AMD chips are better now for that, but better than intel? |
| [06:43:15] | PaulWay[w]: | I personally think the low-end AM2-based AMD processors are enough for everyone. |
| [06:43:22] | defaultro: | it was an athlon |
| [06:43:36] | exmod: | one thing I DO know... I won't be expecting to get much gain from moving to 64-bit |
| [06:43:37] | PaulWay[w]: | Enough computing power without sucking the juice or blowing the heat. |
| [06:43:41] | defaultro: | then i'll get gigabyte again |
| [06:43:44] | PaulWay[w]: | Yep. |
| [06:44:06] | defaultro: | this is what am planning for my next machine, http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/Products/Motherbo . . . oductID=2310 |
| [06:44:19] | PaulWay[w]: | exmod: 64-bit really only roxors if you've got specially designed applications or need more than 4GB per process. |
| [06:44:47] | PaulWay[w]: | Are you planning on using two video cards in it? |
| [06:44:58] | PaulWay[w]: | Is it a dedicated front end or a games machine as well? |
| [06:45:17] | defaultro: | i still don't konw |
| [06:45:19] | defaultro: | :) |
| [06:45:23] | exmod: | PaulWay[w]: you mean, apart from the fact that some stuff mythtv relies on doesn't do 64-bit well |
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| [06:45:25] | defaultro: | maybe games |
| [06:45:33] | defaultro: | or maybe as backend |
| [06:45:33] | exmod: | defaultro: ooo as many as TWO PCI slots? eew |
| [06:45:39] | PaulWay[w]: | exmod: Yes, that too. |
| [06:46:01] | exmod: | 64-bit still hasn't happened properly yet IMHO |
| [06:46:02] | PaulWay[w]: | defaultro: It's your money, but IMO a SLI system is wasted on MythTV. |
| [06:46:02] | defaultro: | i don't know where i'm going to use that machine yet LOL |
| [06:46:11] | defaultro: | yep |
| [06:46:16] | defaultro: | we don't need SLI for myth |
| [06:46:25] | defaultro: | my agp 6600 is doing a good job |
| [06:46:28] | PaulWay[w]: | exmod: The problem is that half of the codec code is still assuming 32-bit-ness. |
| [06:46:32] | exmod: | having only 2 PCI slots rules it out as a backend.. unless you're only gonna have dual tuners |
| [06:46:45] | defaultro: | yep, thanks for catching that |
| [06:46:48] | PaulWay[w]: | Depends on how many channels you want to record simultaneously. |
| [06:47:04] | defaultro: | well, i have to find a multituner HDTV then |
| [06:47:05] | defaultro: | :D |
| [06:47:18] | defaultro: | something that supports ATSC and QAM |
| [06:47:27] | PaulWay[w]: | I believe the PC-3000 cards do that... |
| [06:47:29] | defaultro: | 2 of those, I get 4 tuners |
| [06:47:38] | defaultro: | i might go with Dvico again |
| [06:47:50] | exmod: | I'd recommend 2 tuners as a minimum – I know you can have multiple backends but why should you have to? |
| [06:48:06] | defaultro: | yeah, good point |
| [06:48:29] | exmod: | as for the new motherboards these days – it'd be nice if they didn't concentrate so much on gaming ricer stuff |
| [06:48:42] | defaultro: | ah |
| [06:49:44] | defaultro: | i was lucky then with my old mobo, i got 4 pci and 1 agp |
| [06:50:04] | defaultro: | i have one more pci unused but it's being blocked by my spdif output |
| [06:50:28] | exmod: | heh |
| [06:50:37] | defaultro: | oh no, i have 5 |
| [06:50:39] | defaultro: | :P |
| [06:50:48] | exmod: | and wtf is this all about? "Enhances security with NVIDIA TCP/IP Acceleration technology"... doesn't sound very usable in Linux whatever it is |
| [06:50:51] | defaultro: | look at my picture below, http://restricted.dyndns.org/pvr.html |
| [06:51:04] | defaultro: | yeah, it's all crap |
| [06:51:06] | PaulWay[w]: | Sorry, the HD-5500 seems to be the latest incarnation. Only has one tuner though. |
| [06:51:28] | defaultro: | ok |
| [06:51:43] | PaulWay[w]: | The DViCO Fusion* cards work well, I believe. |
| [06:51:53] | defaultro: | yes, i have that |
| [06:52:08] | defaultro: | you can see all my cards on the link i provided |
| [06:52:13] | exmod: | well yeah – the biggest market for them is the MCE market – and that can only support 2 tuners :-] |
| [06:52:28] | defaultro: | MCE is the microsoft right? |
| [06:52:47] | exmod: | yup |
| [06:54:01] | exmod: | defaultro: that linky not worky |
| [06:54:07] | defaultro: | hmm |
| [06:54:11] | defaultro: | what's the error? |
| [06:54:25] | PaulWay[w]: | defaultro: Link worked fine for me. |
| [06:54:35] | PaulWay[w]: | I have a feeling you've mislabelled the inputs, though. |
| [06:54:43] | defaultro: | you are correct |
| [06:54:45] | PaulWay[w]: | Which card does the comcast cable go into? |
| [06:54:46] | defaultro: | i noticed it only now :D |
| [06:55:05] | defaultro: | the internal is labeled wrong |
| [06:55:23] | defaultro: | right now, I'm looking for my original picture |
| [06:57:08] | defaultro: | found it! :P |
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| [07:08:27] | defaultro: | thanks Paul for catching that too |
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| [07:37:20] | Davo_Souvlaki: | how can i install mythtv on my debian laptop (testing/Etch)? I tried but i keep package related getting errors |
| [07:37:35] | Davo_Souvlaki: | *keep getting package related errors |
| [07:38:44] | Davo_Souvlaki: | anyone? |
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| [07:39:09] | wireddd: | what kind of errors? |
| [07:40:20] | wireddd: | and what repository are the packages coming from? |
| [07:40:47] | Davo_Souvlaki: | i ttype in "apt-get build-dep mythtv" and it spits back "E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_si d_main_source_Sources – open (2 No such file or directory)" |
| [07:41:18] | wireddd: | well for starters, ftp.nerim isn't valid anymore |
| [07:41:35] | PaulWay[w]: | Davo_Souvlaki: It's debian-multimedia.org now. |
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| [07:41:55] | asfui: | hi |
| [07:42:02] | Davo_Souvlaki: | so i should add that to my /etc/sources.list file? |
| [07:42:39] | PaulWay[w]: | Davo_Souvlaki: Go to debian-multimedia.org/mirrors.html – I believe that's the configuration you're looking for. |
| [07:42:55] | PaulWay[w]: | I'm not that familiar with the format of /etc/sources.list, given that I work with Fedora normally. |
| [07:43:01] | wireddd: | yeah thats what I was about to post |
| [07:43:38] | wireddd: | paul... deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main |
| [07:43:46] | PaulWay[w]: | wireddd: Happy to help :-) |
| [07:43:50] | wireddd: | actually that was for Davo_Souvlaki |
| [07:44:19] | Davo_Souvlaki: | ive added http://debian-multimedia.org sarge main |
| [07:44:25] | Davo_Souvlaki: | will that do it? |
| [07:44:30] | wireddd: | Davo_Souvlaki, you are not using sarge |
| [07:44:39] | wireddd: | you are using etch |
| [07:44:50] | wireddd: | also known as testing |
| [07:45:00] | Davo_Souvlaki: | oh yeah |
| [07:45:03] | Davo_Souvlaki: | woops |
| [07:45:38] | Davo_Souvlaki: | ive added that. what now? |
| [07:45:58] | wireddd: | apt-get update |
| [07:46:23] | Davo_Souvlaki: | oh yeah i knew that |
| [07:46:33] | Davo_Souvlaki: | to update the package list |
| [07:46:49] | Davo_Souvlaki: | done. now do apt-get install mythtv? |
| [07:47:12] | wireddd: | do an apt-cache search mythtv |
| [07:47:22] | wireddd: | that will list off all of the mythtv packages |
| [07:47:44] | Davo_Souvlaki: | thats it! i was doing apt-get install search mythtv |
| [07:48:12] | Davo_Souvlaki: | lots of packages. wat now? |
| [07:48:29] | Davo_Souvlaki: | type all of them in? |
| [07:49:15] | Davo_Souvlaki: | you there wireddd? |
| [07:49:35] | wireddd: | yeah hang on a sec |
| [07:50:02] | Davo_Souvlaki: | ok |
| [07:50:04] | wireddd: | mythtv mythtv-backend mythtv-frontend |
| [07:50:33] | wireddd: | that should install everything you need |
| [07:51:05] | wireddd: | ok you need mythtv-database too if it doesn't install that on its own |
| [07:51:43] | wireddd: | also you should follow through this... http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall |
| [07:52:28] | Davo_Souvlaki: | yeah i had a look at that...cant find debian |
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| [08:00:13] | Davo_Souvlaki: | how do i get the MySQL working? i opened MythTV but it couldnt access the database |
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| [08:01:23] | Davo_Souvlaki: | wireddd? |
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| [08:11:09] | wireddd: | you have to do... mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql |
| [08:12:44] | wireddd: | ok my right and left audio channels are completly out of sync, they start off synced and then they drift apart |
| [08:13:53] | Davo_Souvlaki: | wireddd: do "mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql" in the root terminal? |
| [08:14:01] | wireddd: | yeah |
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| [08:14:34] | wireddd: | then you want to run myth-setup |
| [08:14:38] | wireddd: | and go through everything |
| [08:14:49] | Davo_Souvlaki: | didnt work i got this message: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| [08:15:22] | exmod: | oh dear |
| [08:15:32] | Davo_Souvlaki: | wat? |
| [08:15:35] | wireddd: | you need to use a user/password for mysql |
| [08:16:05] | exmod: | just out of interest, is anybody planning to do something about the most common errors people see? I mean the amount of people who come in here with db access problems is unreal now |
| [08:16:34] | wireddd: | it would be nice if the setup was a little more automated |
| [08:16:53] | Davo_Souvlaki: | wireddd: so how do i do that? |
| [08:17:06] | exmod: | even just updating the docs to give more detail |
| [08:17:21] | exmod: | Davo_Souvlaki: everything _should_ be in the docs you've been following, by rights |
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| [08:19:50] | benderz0r: | how do I push out audio through the pvr 350 while keeping the tv going through a seperate tv out card |
| [08:19:57] | wireddd: | exmod, you have anyidea what would cause my right and left channel audio to be out of sync? I am using a pvr 150 |
| [08:19:57] | Davo_Souvlaki: | i followed this guide: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html but it didnt help |
| [08:20:24] | Anduin: | benderz0r: You have no sound card? |
| [08:20:43] | exmod: | any guide that tells you to do stuff without telling you _why_ you're doing it is bound to cause problems |
| [08:21:06] | Davo_Souvlaki: | yeah it would be nice to know the why part |
| [08:21:11] | exmod: | wireddd: no idea. #1 suspect would be the firmware – try newer |
| [08:21:39] | wireddd: | hmm it isn't in the mpegs, it must be some kind of a problem with my sound card |
| [08:21:39] | benderz0r: | Anduin: I have a sound card, though the cable bought (by some one not me) is rca |
| [08:22:14] | exmod: | benderz0r: so buy a new cable, or get a 3.5mm stereo jack to phono (rca) adapter |
| [08:22:43] | benderz0r: | exmod: the 'cost more monies' solution isn't really on the table, at least for awhile :| |
| [08:22:45] | Davo_Souvlaki: | i tried "apt-get build-dep mythtv" but it said: "E: Unable to find a source package for mythtv" |
| [08:22:51] | Davo_Souvlaki: | how can i fix that? |
| [08:22:56] | Anduin: | benderz0r: The 350 expects to be fed MPEG data, not PCM directly. |
| [08:23:03] | benderz0r: | one can enable out bound sound on the 350 if the tv out is enabled, whhy not normally |
| [08:23:09] | exmod: | benderz0r: cost more monies? what? how much would you spend on a bit of copper wire? |
| [08:23:10] | wireddd: | Davo_Souvlaki, you are way past that |
| [08:23:16] | Davo_Souvlaki: | wat now then? |
| [08:23:19] | benderz0r: | Anduin: I only need tv and recorded programs to out put sound :| |
| [08:23:41] | exmod: | $2 buys you a lead to tide you over, benderz0r |
| [08:23:43] | benderz0r: | exmod: I didn't spend it, I suggested it was a bad time... 50$ on a 20m three wire rca |
| [08:23:57] | benderz0r: | bad idea at the time* |
| [08:24:01] | exmod: | so buy an adapter... hell even radioshite sell them |
| [08:24:06] | Davo_Souvlaki: | wireddd: MythTV wont get past the initial setup, probably due to the database stuff |
| [08:24:08] | Anduin: | benderz0r: When TV out is enabled it is sending the MEPG data to the card it decodes it and output video/sound |
| [08:24:20] | wireddd: | Davo_Souvlaki, you need to figure out what username /password will let you login to mysql so you can import the database |
| [08:24:30] | exmod: | anyway how come you're not using the pvr350 for tv out? ;) |
| [08:24:39] | benderz0r: | exmod: the adapter in question costs $30 locally and 15$ + shipping + time |
| [08:24:51] | benderz0r: | exmod: it doesn't seem to like me, that would be the best solution |
| [08:25:05] | Davo_Souvlaki: | wireddd: i think its root for username and [blank] for the password |
| [08:25:06] | exmod: | benderz0r: no frigging way. a stereo jack to rca socket adapter? ROFLMAO |
| [08:25:21] | benderz0r: | exmod: I set it to use tv out on it and it just doesn't show up on the tv and the tv doesn't work (you go to watch tv and it's blank and times out) |
| [08:25:29] | exmod: | or would that be for "the emperor's new cable" solution from 'Monster' ? |
| [08:25:31] | Anduin: | even radio shack would only get you for $5 |
| [08:25:32] | benderz0r: | exmod: you haven't been to australia have you? |
| [08:25:32] | Davo_Souvlaki: | wireddd: wat do i do with that now |
| [08:25:34] | Davo_Souvlaki: | ? |
| [08:25:34] | wireddd: | what happens if you do "mysql" as root |
| [08:25:39] | exmod: | hahaha |
| [08:25:55] | exmod: | you have Tandy in Aus I think |
| [08:26:17] | Davo_Souvlaki: | exmod: Jaycar is better probably: www.jaycar.com.au |
| [08:26:18] | benderz0r: | yes, and they are pricks...they are a joke of what they used to be, you can hardly even get simple items from them any more |
| [08:26:21] | exmod: | you are over-egging the situation methinks |
| [08:26:32] | benderz0r: | the best option about is jaycar though they are the ones that have to order it in |
| [08:26:55] | exmod: | you could make one – if you can solder it's a good way to get one |
| [08:26:57] | benderz0r: | exmod: I lie not, if I had time I'd scan the prices for you |
| [08:27:02] | benderz0r: | exmod: to hard |
| [08:27:02] | Davo_Souvlaki: | wireddd: i get "Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)" |
| [08:27:14] | benderz0r: | exmod: mmm do you know how to fix the problem with tv out on the 350? |
| [08:27:15] | exmod: | that's Aus off my list of places to emigrate to then |
| [08:27:18] | wireddd: | then root with no password doesn't work |
| [08:27:25] | Davo_Souvlaki: | ah great |
| [08:27:33] | exmod: | benderz0r: if I were you I wouldn't have even bought a pvr350 |
| [08:27:35] | Davo_Souvlaki: | can i reset the mysql password? |
| [08:27:41] | exmod: | but that's no help ;) |
| [08:27:48] | wireddd: | probably, but I have no idea how |
| [08:28:03] | exmod: | Davo_Souvlaki: google for "reset mysql password" |
| [08:28:07] | benderz0r: | exmod: I bought it over five years ago now, when pvr stuff was really just getting started, it _was_ the only thing to buy back then |
| [08:28:16] | Davo_Souvlaki: | ill use my Google-Fu |
| [08:28:19] | benderz0r: | looking at upgrading to digital, but not yet |
| [08:28:24] | exmod: | benderz0r: okees I'll 'let you off then' |
| [08:28:24] | Davo_Souvlaki: | exmod beat me |
| [08:28:28] | benderz0r: | exmod: :P |
| [08:29:19] | exmod: | hrm this nick of mine just doesn't scan |
| [08:29:58] | benderz0r: | any one know of hand the mplayer command to stream the video devices output to the screen? need to check which video /dev my card is on |
| [08:32:27] | exmod: | if it's the only tuner card it should be /dev/video0 |
| [08:32:42] | wireddd: | my sound seems fine in everything but mythfrontend |
| [08:33:09] | Davo_Souvlaki: | how do i Stop the mysqld daemon process? |
| [08:33:21] | Davo_Souvlaki: | according to http://www.tech-faq.com/reset-mysql-password.shtml |
| [08:33:26] | benderz0r: | mmm get an odd error along the lines of ringbuf(somefile) : invalid file (fd 17) when opening 'same file'. |
| [08:33:36] | benderz0r: | anyway I've got to wander off |
| [08:33:43] | exmod: | benderz0r: mythbackend is still running I bet |
| [08:33:55] | exmod: | Davo_Souvlaki: which distro? |
| [08:34:03] | benderz0r: | exmod: yes, and? |
| [08:34:09] | Davo_Souvlaki: | my distro: debian testing |
| [08:34:22] | exmod: | benderz0r: only one process can use a device at a time in most cases |
| [08:34:31] | benderz0r: | kk |
| [08:34:35] | asfui: | Davo_Souvlaki: if you have it added to the runlevel, you have to run the init script with stop parameter |
| [08:34:37] | exmod: | Davo_Souvlaki: prolly /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
| [08:34:55] | asfui: | Davo_Souvlaki: something like /etc/init.d/mysqld stop |
| [08:35:09] | exmod: | why are folks using distro they don't know how to use? oops. I am too |
| [08:35:50] | benderz0r: | later all |
| [08:35:54] | benderz0r: | thanks for the help |
| [08:35:55] | Davo_Souvlaki: | exmod: because its a good way to learn |
| [08:35:57] | Davo_Souvlaki: | cya |
| [08:35:58] | exmod: | later benderz0r |
| [08:36:02] | Davo_Souvlaki: | /etc/init.d/mysql stop seemed to work |
| [08:36:11] | exmod: | Davo_Souvlaki: cool – you learnt something |
| [08:36:12] | Davo_Souvlaki: | wat next? |
| [08:36:18] | Davo_Souvlaki: | i sure did |
| [08:36:39] | exmod: | Davo_Souvlaki: do the next step in the 'how to unbork your mysql password' howto |
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| [08:37:19] | exmod: | now I can _definitely_ see the argument against mysql being used by mythtv |
| [08:37:49] | exmod: | cos it's too hard for noobs |
| [08:37:59] | Davo_Souvlaki: | it sure is |
| [08:38:20] | Davo_Souvlaki: | how do i do step 2?: http://www.tech-faq.com/reset-mysql-password.shtml |
| [08:38:22] | exmod: | I only started using linux to get mythtv going. now I know more than I want to know about mysql |
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| [08:39:16] | exmod: | Davo_Souvlaki: why the fuck they didn't just tell you the command is beyond me.... |
| [08:39:40] | Davo_Souvlaki: | the correct name is GNU/Linux http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html |
| [08:40:05] | exmod: | Davo_Souvlaki: IIRC: mysqld --skip-grant-tables |
| [08:40:18] | Davo_Souvlaki: | exmod: i dunno, there should really be a nice graphical installer for this |
| [08:40:48] | Davo_Souvlaki: | mysql with a 'd' on the end? are you sure? |
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| [08:41:09] | exmod: | not 100% sure.. you might need to open another command window thingy |
| [08:41:30] | Davo_Souvlaki: | it did something |
| [08:41:45] | Anduin: | daemon, i.e. the server |
| [08:42:13] | Davo_Souvlaki: | ah ok |
| [08:42:50] | Davo_Souvlaki: | error message: InnoDB: Unable to lock ./ibdata1, error: 11 |
| [08:42:50] | Davo_Souvlaki: | InnoDB: Check that you do not already have another mysqld process |
| [08:42:50] | Davo_Souvlaki: | InnoDB: using the same InnoDB data or log files. |
| [08:42:58] | Davo_Souvlaki: | all 3 lines |
| [08:43:52] | Davo_Souvlaki: | but it keeps giving me the same message every second, so the terminal window is filled with them |
| [08:44:08] | Davo_Souvlaki: | oh wait its stopped now |
| [08:45:21] | Davo_Souvlaki: | it didnt work! wat now? |
| [08:47:35] | Davo_Souvlaki: | bye |
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| [09:05:43] | exmod: | just had a 'discussion' with a guy at work about why mythtv is so "f'ing crap" |
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| [09:06:06] | exmod: | apparently it's because mythtv can't browse dvds full of leeched divx files :-/ |
| [09:06:38] | Anduin: | "browse"? |
| [09:07:10] | exmod: | he's just another whiny windows user |
| [09:08:11] | exmod: | doesn't understand automounting & symbolic links... thinks that mythtv should just do it. |
| [09:13:05] | exmod: | mythtv would be no worse off without users like him anyway IMHO |
| [09:14:18] | exmod: | we all know the ones... "mythtv ****ing sucks == I'm too thick to do it" |
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| [09:40:18] | adante: | have to admit, myths support for alternate media files is a little annoying |
| [09:44:34] | Anduin: | adante: How so? |
| [09:46:22] | adante: | Anduin: well mainly i'm not really interested in all the shiny automated imdb script downloading stuff |
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| [09:46:41] | adante: | i just want a simple, fast and effective file browser interface |
| [09:47:02] | adante: | the 'video list' is simple at least |
| [09:47:30] | adante: | but it'd be nice to be able to browse files dynamically |
| [09:47:59] | adante: | and basically be nicer in general |
| [09:48:15] | adante: | e.g. only uses half the screen for browsing, other half used for.. 2 lines which don't even fit |
| [09:48:50] | adante: | no way to easily 'launch' files with diff options |
| [09:50:17] | Anduin: | some day |
| [09:50:23] | adante: | yeah heh |
| [10:00:13] | exmod: | maybe moving to more of an XBMC type UI would be better for some folks |
| [10:01:33] | exmod: | not that I care much. I like mythtv the way it is – not being a serial downloaded of copyrighted material myself |
| [10:01:47] | exmod: | s/downloaded/downloader |
| [10:02:02] | qu0zl: | the xbmc interface really is brilliant, they've done a good job with it |
| [10:02:12] | qu0zl: | i gave mine away when i got my myth box though :) |
| [10:02:33] | exmod: | at the end of the day though, all xbmc is is a media browser & player |
| [10:02:43] | exmod: | it ain't a pvr |
| [10:03:12] | qu0zl: | yep, thats why i gave mine away :) must be the most professional and user friendly opensource gui i've seen yet though |
| [10:03:32] | exmod: | I'd have to concede that at least |
| [10:03:50] | exmod: | the UI rewrite will hopefully address a lot of issues |
| [10:03:59] | qu0zl: | i'm looking forward to that |
| [10:04:09] | qu0zl: | when does the soc end? |
| [10:04:17] | exmod: | lol |
| [10:05:04] | exmod: | never mind that I just hope the projects get finished |
| [10:05:08] | qu0zl: | :) |
| [10:06:37] | Merlin83b: | August 21, 2006: |
| [10:06:37] | Merlin83b: | - All student projects due by 08:00 Pacific Daylight Time |
| [10:06:48] | Merlin83b: | So 1 week to go. |
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| [10:07:45] | qu0zl: | cool |
| [10:07:47] | qu0zl: | thanks Merlin83b |
| [10:07:58] | exmod: | I'm gonna start making a big troubleshooting guide for the wiki soon. anyone up for helping out? |
| [10:08:10] | qu0zl: | though if they're anything like I was as a student it'll all be done on august 20th :) |
| [10:09:46] | jammyd: | Merlin83b: Is there a page anywhere tracking the progress of the myth SoC projects? |
| [10:10:28] | Merlin83b: | jammyd: Not that I know of – there are branches in svn and whatnot if you want to investigate. |
| [10:10:47] | hads|home: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-soc/ |
| [10:11:12] | exmod: | nobody? ah well. so much for the community thing then |
| [10:11:14] | Merlin83b: | Or that :-) |
| [10:11:24] | Merlin83b: | exmod: Start it up, people will join in :-) |
| [10:13:51] | exmod: | so much for the wiki week thing too. lots of changes to 'feature requests' – but it's nice to see somebody documenting the myth protocol :D |
| [10:17:44] | jammyd: | Random filling of the wiki isn't necessarily the best way to help people out anyway |
| [10:19:35] | exmod: | so what is? |
| [10:21:47] | Merlin83b: | Cluebats. |
| [10:21:50] | Merlin83b: | Lost of cluebats. |
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| [10:30:22] | jammyd: | exmod: Targeted stuff – filling in stuff which people genuinely happen to have issues with. Better, more robust code, better error messages – stuff that prevents people falling into traps in the first place |
| [10:31:02] | jammyd: | like the build system, how many times have you see someone complain about the missing qt libraries at link time? Things like that should be caught earlier in the process and the user presented with a simple, obvious message about what to do |
| [10:31:03] | exmod: | so erm.. better howtos... |
| [10:31:19] | exmod: | it's a double-edged sword |
| [10:31:31] | exmod: | not just yelling at the developers to make it easier |
| [10:31:45] | jammyd: | who said anything about yelling? |
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| [10:32:17] | jammyd: | All I'm saying is that getting people to all jump in and fill the wiki is something which probably doesn't best serve the users' interests. |
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| [10:33:12] | exmod: | I think part of the issue is that myth is becoming a victim of its own success. it's famous, but still too hard to work for a lot of users. frankly I don't care about the users who are too thick anymore – they're not worth fighting to keep |
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| [10:36:07] | exmod: | the other week I recognised a problem with the docs in that there's too much fragmentation – not with the official stuff but all the incomplete howto guides out there. the wiki should be the place to add documentation & howto guides, not Joe Schmoe's personal blog |
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| [10:41:25] | exmod: | something has to be done to stop the same stupid ass questions coming up time & again |
| [10:42:43] | exmod: | maybe I should go back to not caring. seems to work for most people |
| [10:44:08] | exmod: | damn good job the developers don't think that way about the code though, isn't it? |
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| [10:49:08] | exmod: | one thing I find especially confusing is why some packagers name things differently. I know it's their perogative but it's not gonna make life easier for anyone. Basic stuff like that. is it mythtv-backend or mythbackend? more commonality would be great |
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| [11:17:08] | exmod: | oh goody. our terror level got downgraded. I might be able to sleep tonight |
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| [11:41:44] | Hoxzer: | has some of you faced a one frame stop when running commercial DVD with xine? |
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| [11:42:17] | exmod: | a one frame stop? |
| [11:42:19] | exmod: | eh?? |
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| [11:43:24] | Hoxzer: | exmod: yep, it just shows one screen image propably the first frame |
| [11:43:26] | Hoxzer: | and then it stops |
| [11:43:51] | exmod: | sounds like you're missing a library needed to play encrypted DVDs |
| [11:44:24] | exmod: | what does xine say? |
| [11:45:18] | Hoxzer: | I already installed libdvdcss2 |
| [11:45:39] | Hoxzer: | seems like it cannot read /dev/hda1 but I dont understand it is my HDD :/ |
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| [11:46:27] | Juski: | hmmm |
| [11:47:16] | Juski: | Hoxzer: try xine from a command line & try to play the same DVD. see what errors it gives, then bug the xine guys |
| [11:48:34] | Hoxzer: | Juski: can I somehow direct my video stream to other window as I like to do this with ssh |
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| [11:49:29] | Juski: | export "DISPLAY 0:0"; xine |
| [11:49:34] | laga: | morning Juski |
| [11:49:36] | Juski: | just a thought. maybe it'll work |
| [11:49:38] | Juski: | hey laga |
| [11:50:00] | laga: | Juski: done :))) |
| [11:50:06] | Juski: | wooohooo! |
| [11:50:34] | laga: | Juski: hehe. |
| [11:50:40] | Juski: | I'm missing the forums already :-/ I still want to bash people with a cluebat though |
| [11:51:23] | laga: | huh? no more forums for ya for the next two weeks or so. |
| [11:51:36] | Juski: | maybe if I buy a tux & torture it it'll help |
| [11:52:12] | laga: | heh. poor penguin. |
| [11:52:46] | Juski: | I hate to say it but my desktop goes back to windows tonight. Linux isn't ready for me yet |
| [11:53:05] | Juski: | I gave it a shot anyway :) |
| [11:53:57] | laga: | a little dual-booting won't work. |
| [11:54:34] | Juski: | having to reboot just cos I want to mix 2 soundfiles together or do some proper photo editing is a PITA |
| [11:55:39] | jammyd: | those are two things I'd have thought would be trivial in linux |
| [11:55:48] | jammyd: | what apps were you trying to use? |
| [11:56:04] | laga: | probably, but at least you have an option left in case windows crashes :) |
| [11:56:06] | Juski: | GIMP (bleuch) |
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| [11:56:53] | Juski: | oh and audacity |
| [11:57:29] | Juski: | they're good for free – judging them at face value – they're superb apps |
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| [11:58:25] | jammyd: | what would you use in windows? |
| [11:58:27] | Juski: | I'd pay for linux ports of Sony Vegas & Paintshop/photoshop |
| [11:58:38] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: VMWARE |
| [11:58:49] | GreyFoxx: | have a windows VM around for stuff like that :) |
| [11:58:58] | Juski: | using vmware defeats the object of trying to avoid windows in the 1st place though |
| [11:59:06] | GreyFoxx: | If I absolutely MUST edit a document in the MS office apps I fireup vmware :) |
| [11:59:18] | GreyFoxx: | Otherwise it's not running |
| [11:59:45] | Juski: | and my wife hates ubuntu. she uses my pc too |
| [12:00:37] | Juski: | I thought at first it'd be a good way to keep her off it.. sadly not |
| [12:00:50] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [12:00:50] | Hoxzer: | Juski: Display 0:0 is not valid, how can I find out my display name? |
| [12:01:05] | GreyFoxx: | If X is running, :0 is valid |
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| [12:02:48] | Saviq: | Hello ther |
| [12:04:18] | Hoxzer: | GreyFoxx: I tried "export "DISPLAY *:0"" (where * = 0–9) |
| [12:04:33] | Hoxzer: | so ... I tried like 0:0 1:0 2:0 |
| [12:04:47] | GreyFoxx: | Don't need to put anything in front of the : |
| [12:04:51] | GreyFoxx: | DISPLAY=:0 |
| [12:05:37] | GreyFoxx: | Or DISPLAY=:0.0 (which is the same as plain :0) |
| [12:06:09] | Hoxzer: | k |
| [12:07:16] | Juski: | so laga – is the 2 week stay away enforced? I mean I might wanna come back. things aren't going too well in umm.. other areas so I might not have much else to do |
| [12:08:19] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Did you get kicked off ? |
| [12:08:45] | Juski: | no I resigned |
| [12:08:54] | laga: | from work or the forums? ;) |
| [12:08:55] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
| [12:09:03] | Juski: | changed my details – obsfurcated my password too |
| [12:11:11] | Juski: | big problem with all the 'community' is there's only a tiny hard-core of helpers. people (users) come in, get help then piss off again never to be seen again until they have another problem. it's bloody soul destroying |
| [12:11:19] | laga: | Juski: 'enforced'? humm. i'll talk to coume ;) |
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| [12:13:56] | Juski: | never did anything expecting major plaudits but how many people even say 'thankyou'? it's just so ignorant – that's what makes me the most mad. |
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| [12:17:27] | laga: | yep. |
| [12:17:57] | Beirdo: | OMG, Juski's turning into a grumpy old man today? :) |
| [12:18:34] | Beirdo: | and I so agree |
| [12:19:18] | Juski: | who I really feel for are the users who try really hard but miss out on support cos the majority of people (the ones with stupid, can't be bothered to rtfm questions) scare the competent folks away |
| [12:20:19] | GreyFoxx: | Or those same fools are just plain rude making it appear that it's the type of attitude everyone has |
| [12:20:49] | ** Juski stamps his foot. "help me now! NOW I tell you!" ** | |
| [12:21:41] | Beirdo: | yeah. or the "mythtv sucks, now help me" crowd |
| [12:21:44] | Juski: | anyway. whine over (for now)... |
| [12:21:59] | GreyFoxx: | There are some who come in here even that act like children if noone helps them right away, are rude to other users or use offensive language, or "help" other users with bad information |
| [12:22:19] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [12:22:56] | Beirdo: | BTW, I found where the bottleneck in the GPU code is |
| [12:23:07] | Beirdo: | it's the GPU->CPU part (as expected) |
| [12:23:28] | GreyFoxx: | because of the yuv conversion? |
| [12:23:53] | Beirdo: | nah, because of the PCI bus being slow |
| [12:24:03] | janneg: | Beirdo: I tried gputrans with a 7600gs, but it fails |
| [12:24:12] | Beirdo: | and because it's planar, I need to transfer each plane separately |
| [12:24:24] | Beirdo: | janneg, hmmm, what happens? |
| [12:25:04] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: Well I guess the more time it spends on the GPU being manipulated the less painfull that GPU->CPU traffic will be overall |
| [12:25:05] | janneg: | it fails with invalid command GLend |
| [12:25:16] | Beirdo: | glEnd? |
| [12:25:19] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [12:25:29] | janneg: | yes |
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| [12:26:06] | Beirdo: | how odd, wonder what its issue is. be aware that the svn is being updated a lot though, an update may fix that |
| [12:26:25] | Beirdo: | I should get you to send me the output for glewinfo for that card |
| [12:26:59] | janneg: | tested revision 50, and will do |
| [12:27:51] | Beirdo: | OK, that may have been while it was kinda busted, let me look |
| [12:28:35] | Beirdo: | hmmm, no, that one "should" work, worked on both my cards. |
| [12:28:56] | Beirdo: | I guess glewinfo and a dump of the log for the run might be instructive |
| [12:29:30] | Beirdo: | one thing to watch out for, if it dies an unnatural death, ipcs will show IPC shm and IPC message queues not cleaned up |
| [12:29:39] | Beirdo: | you'd have to remove them with ipcrm |
| [12:30:01] | Beirdo: | it's annoying, but the only sane way I could find to pass the data between the processes |
| [12:30:12] | janneg: | the exact error is [9472] <0> OpenGL ERROR 0502: invalid operation (Label: glEnd) |
| [12:30:18] | Beirdo: | I wish openGL would let me have multiple contexts in separate threads |
| [12:31:03] | Beirdo: | OK, that generally means there's an error between the glBegin and glEnd. I guess an svn up would be the place to start |
| [12:34:19] | janneg: | full log: http://pastebin.ca/131257 |
| [12:34:33] | Beirdo: | thanks ;) |
| [12:35:58] | Beirdo: | how odd |
| [12:36:37] | janneg: | and mailed glewinfo |
| [12:36:53] | Beirdo: | oh, right now, it will write each frame to a .ppm file in a subdir of the pwd (out/) |
| [12:37:09] | Beirdo: | which will get big fast |
| [12:38:00] | Beirdo: | weird, it identified your card as PCI when it's PCIe? go, nvidia |
| [12:38:48] | janneg: | yes, it's PCIe. |
| [12:38:51] | Beirdo: | OK, we are using the same nvidia driver version, that's good |
| [12:40:20] | janneg: | I'm using a never ffmpeg. I had to switch the ffmpeg configure parts to pkconfig |
| [12:40:40] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [12:40:57] | Beirdo: | I doubt that would cause that problem, that would just affect decoding right now |
| [12:41:57] | janneg: | I doubt it too, just FYI |
| [12:42:08] | Beirdo: | hmm. unless the Cg failed. that could be an issue |
| [12:43:00] | Beirdo: | I think if the fragment program doesn't get properly loaded, OpenGL may raise that error when you try to use it. |
| [12:43:08] | Beirdo: | I'll put in more error checking on the Cg part |
| [12:45:15] | Beirdo: | so I take it you figured it out so far without any docs :) heh |
| [12:47:20] | janneg: | in this case source was enough documentation |
| [12:47:25] | Beirdo: | good :) |
| [12:47:48] | Beirdo: | it's getting a bit complex, but I think it still is possible to follow... for now |
| [12:53:57] | Beirdo: | OK, just checked in the error handler for Cg |
| [12:54:43] | janneg: | <0> Cg error: CG ERROR : The file could not be read. |
| [12:54:57] | Beirdo: | oh? |
| [12:55:02] | Beirdo: | OK, that could be an issue |
| [12:55:17] | Beirdo: | hmmm, it tries to read the .cg file from the current directory |
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| [12:55:34] | Beirdo: | I haven't gotten it to the point where make install takes care of installing that yet |
| [12:55:59] | janneg: | it works now |
| [12:56:04] | Beirdo: | yay :) |
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| [12:56:14] | Beirdo: | beware of filling your disk with many ppm files :) |
| [12:56:38] | Beirdo: | what kind of frame rate is the PCIe getting (and what processor?) |
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| [12:57:16] | janneg: | [9863] <0> 1950 frames in 40.449455 (48.21 FPS) doesn't look that fast for format conversions |
| [12:57:39] | Beirdo: | it's not converting, and that's likely being limited by the system bus |
| [12:57:51] | Beirdo: | although I'd expect PCIe can do a bit better |
| [12:58:08] | Beirdo: | you are also transferring larger frames than I am |
| [12:58:36] | Beirdo: | my numbers were with 624x464 frames |
| [12:58:47] | Beirdo: | hmm, we'll work on it :) |
| [13:00:03] | janneg: | it's even slower if I write the ppm, i.e. after mkdir out |
| [13:00:21] | Beirdo: | heh. |
| [13:00:37] | Beirdo: | yeah, feel free to #if 0 the line where it does videoOut() |
| [13:00:39] | Beirdo: | in main.c |
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| [13:01:03] | Beirdo: | what processor are you using? |
| [13:01:24] | janneg: | athlon 64 x2 3800 |
| [13:01:36] | Beirdo: | OK :) |
| [13:01:46] | Beirdo: | even faster than my AMD64 3200+ |
| [13:01:54] | Beirdo: | so it shouldn't be being affected by that |
| [13:02:37] | Beirdo: | ffmpeg is used to decode the video to YUV420P (the default for mpeg decoding anyways) |
| [13:03:06] | Beirdo: | I feed the three planes to the GPU, combine them into one buffer in the GPU, then pull three planes back from the GPU |
| [13:03:22] | Beirdo: | then convert to RGB with ffmpeg to make the ppm files |
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| [13:03:59] | Beirdo: | it was the only easy way to determine if the output was successful, but GOD it takes a lot of space to store RGB24 :) |
| [13:04:56] | janneg: | yeah. without video_out it is 58fps, using 110–120 percent cpu |
| [13:04:58] | Beirdo: | oh, it actually will load 2 frames into the GPU (somewhat smartly) as I will need the previous frame also once I get some motion estimation into there |
| [13:05:14] | Beirdo: | yeah, ffmpeg decoding like mad :) |
| [13:05:16] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [13:06:00] | Beirdo: | I'm hoping that once the frames are IN the GPU, the processing there will be quick enough that the limiting factor remains the transfer to/from the GPU |
| [13:06:28] | Beirdo: | only one way to know, and that is to code it :) |
| [13:07:11] | Beirdo: | I pity anyone who tries this with an old VIA chipset |
| [13:07:20] | Beirdo: | the DMA controller will likely fall over |
| [13:07:44] | GreyFoxx: | So, do you see this as something that can be usefully used with multiple GPU's? |
| [13:07:49] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [13:08:10] | Beirdo: | my testing currently uses the 6600 and the FX5200 at the same time |
| [13:08:19] | Beirdo: | I feed a frame to whichever is ready |
| [13:08:57] | Beirdo: | using 2 or more will effect efficiency of loading the previous frame as it won't necessarily be already loaded, but still should speed things up |
| [13:09:12] | Beirdo: | sorry, FX5500 |
| [13:09:16] | ** Beirdo slaps himself ** | |
| [13:09:17] | GreyFoxx: | but we'd still be killing the bus |
| [13:09:32] | Beirdo: | yeah, nothing I can think of to fix that... yet |
| [13:09:44] | GreyFoxx: | and no chance of using this with GF4 MX440's ?:) |
| [13:09:48] | Beirdo: | if we can implement the MPEG decoding... |
| [13:10:06] | Beirdo: | nah, it won't support the fragment processor being programmed |
| [13:10:07] | Beirdo: | ;( |
| [13:10:31] | Beirdo: | can likely do SOMETHING with it with the vertex processor, but I'm not sure how much |
| [13:10:51] | Beirdo: | it has register combiners for the fragments, and some limited texturing IIRC |
| [13:10:53] | GreyFoxx: | I'm currently curious about scaling and format conversions on the mx440 |
| [13:11:01] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [13:11:16] | Beirdo: | format conversion you should be able to do, I'd hope |
| [13:11:38] | Beirdo: | but I'm not sure how as that normally gets done in the fragment processor |
| [13:11:39] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [13:11:40] | GreyFoxx: | Hmmmm well doesn't XvMC use GL textures on teh card ? |
| [13:11:48] | Beirdo: | I think so |
| [13:12:04] | Beirdo: | with the register combining, you can likely get it to do simple math |
| [13:12:14] | Beirdo: | and RGB->YUV is simple math |
| [13:12:35] | Beirdo: | not sure how to pull the frame back out though |
| [13:12:37] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [13:13:03] | GreyFoxx: | Cg available on Nvidia's site somewhere ? |
| [13:13:07] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [13:13:08] | Beirdo: | one sec |
| [13:13:58] | Beirdo: | http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cg_toolkit.html |
| [13:14:22] | Beirdo: | comes as a tarball that you untar from / |
| [13:14:32] | Beirdo: | not the most elegant packaging, but it works |
| [13:14:44] | Beirdo: | or as an RPM |
| [13:15:08] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: Well, I run Slackware and that's how it packages stuff so I can using the slackare packaging to add/remove it :) |
| [13:15:24] | Beirdo: | perfect for you then |
| [13:15:30] | GreyFoxx: | You running 1.5 beta 1 or 2 ? |
| [13:15:35] | Beirdo: | 1.4.1 |
| [13:15:39] | GreyFoxx: | ahh] |
| [13:15:54] | Beirdo: | likely mess with betas later |
| [13:16:26] | ** GreyFoxx starts grabbing manuals too ** | |
| [13:16:40] | Beirdo: | they are in the tarball |
| [13:16:53] | Beirdo: | it puts em in /usr/local/Cg/docs |
| [13:16:55] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, |
| [13:19:25] | Beirdo: | and gputrans can be found (when Liberty doesn't mess up our modem) at: http://trac.beirdo.ca/projects/gputrans/ |
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| [13:28:45] | janneg: | Beirdo: 58 * 720 * 576 * 12 / 8 / 2**20 = 34Mbyte/s does not look like if bus speed is the limiting factor, at least not for agp or PCIe |
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| [13:29:11] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [13:29:27] | Beirdo: | shouldn't be |
| [13:30:10] | Beirdo: | when I tested here with the loadFrame and unloadFrame (in render_child.c) #if 0'd out, I got about 120fps on each "card" |
| [13:30:25] | Beirdo: | although, you'll need to un-#if 0 the usleep(1000) for that |
| [13:31:00] | Beirdo: | so the bottleneck seemed to have been in the GPU->CPU direction for me on AGP and PCI |
| [13:33:40] | janneg: | 282.25 FPS with one card, which is only slightly better than 240fps |
| [13:36:47] | janneg: | 248.67 FPS with the usleep |
| [13:36:54] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [13:37:14] | Beirdo: | the usleep is necessary if you use more than one card otherwise one "card" will hog the message queue |
| [13:37:42] | Beirdo: | card 0 has inherent priority over card 1 in the message queue, so card 1 would suffer :) |
| [13:38:45] | Beirdo: | so the infrastructure poses a framerate limitation as well |
| [13:39:00] | Beirdo: | some of that will obviously be ffmpeg's decoding |
| [13:39:32] | Beirdo: | which, if we could do that in the GPU... wouldn't be as much of an issue |
| [13:39:57] | Beirdo: | I'd like to do it in the GPU, but the complexity of MPEG decoding hurts the brain |
| [13:40:00] | janneg: | but will involve a lot of codinf |
| [13:40:13] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [13:40:15] | janneg: | ^H |
| [13:40:36] | Beirdo: | which is why I wanted to start with something a bit milder and do motion estimation/denoising first |
| [13:41:16] | Beirdo: | for a first attempt, I think I'll take the algorithm yuvdenoise uses and implement |
| [13:41:49] | Beirdo: | which will require some subsampling, etc |
| [13:41:51] | Beirdo: | fun stuff |
| [13:42:14] | Beirdo: | but first, I need a BIG pot of coffee :) |
| [13:43:40] | janneg: | since the decoding is not the limiting factor and the throughput is roughly the same regardless of the gpu interface |
| [13:43:40] | Beirdo: | the nice thing about using ffmpeg to decode is that I can mess with video from many different sources |
| [13:44:31] | janneg: | it might be a hardware limitation or some software issue in kernel, nvidia-drivers... |
| [13:44:39] | Beirdo: | it could be, yes |
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| [13:45:51] | Beirdo: | brb, brewing coffee :) |
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| [14:06:53] | janneg: | Beirdo: whatever image zero is it takes most of the time: http://pastebin.ca/131392 |
| [14:09:04] | Beirdo: | heh, I bet that's in ffmpeg |
| [14:09:16] | Beirdo: | what tool did you use to generate that? |
| [14:09:31] | janneg: | oprofile |
| [14:10:00] | Beirdo: | cool. any extra compile flags needed? |
| [14:10:34] | janneg: | and I'm certain, it's not ffmpeg. that has debugging symbols. |
| [14:10:48] | Beirdo: | oh, true |
| [14:10:49] | janneg: | I suspect the nvidia driver |
| [14:11:01] | Beirdo: | quite plausible |
| [14:11:42] | janneg: | no, nothing special needed, but at least the symbols shouldn't be stripped |
| [14:12:00] | janneg: | like in my libc |
| [14:12:01] | Beirdo: | fair enough |
| [14:12:26] | GreyFoxx: | hmmm, oprofile looks nifty |
| [14:13:14] | Beirdo: | never seen that particular one, more profiling tools are always a good thing :) |
| [14:13:18] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [14:14:20] | janneg: | 16:13 < jammyd> that opreport output makes it half look like the samples are coming from something which is dynamically generating code |
| [14:14:30] | Beirdo: | I guess one of these days I'll have to look into using it |
| [14:14:42] | janneg: | that would then be Cg |
| [14:14:43] | jammyd: | that opreport output makes it half look like the samples are coming from something which is dynamically generating code |
| [14:14:48] | jammyd: | ah, janneg beat me to it :) |
| [14:14:53] | jammyd: | sorry |
| [14:14:55] | Beirdo: | probably Cg or the nvidia drivers, yes |
| [14:15:02] | janneg: | no problem |
| [14:15:19] | jammyd: | GreyFoxx: oprofile is very nifty – very very nifty indeed. |
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| [14:16:35] | janneg: | especially if you need low level data including the kernel or low overhead |
| [14:16:36] | ** jammyd hasn't followed the conversation enough to know who's trying to track what down here, but since they'll have to have opened /dev/zero to write there & execute code, just do a traversal or /proc/*/fd and see who's got it open ** | |
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| [14:17:23] | GreyFoxx: | jammyd: I had installed it a month ago to profile myth, but never got around to actually doing it |
| [14:18:22] | Beirdo: | I don't get the same results here |
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| [14:19:31] | janneg: | Beirdo: please paste it |
| [14:19:47] | Beirdo: | workin on it |
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| [14:20:45] | Beirdo: | http://beirdo.pastebin.ca/131432 |
| [14:20:59] | Beirdo: | I ran ocontrol with --start --no-vmlinux |
| [14:21:19] | Beirdo: | if that makes any difference (don't know the tool too well yet, obviously) |
| [14:21:59] | Beirdo: | that was a 621 frame MPEG4 avi file, BTW |
| [14:22:18] | Beirdo: | with the ppm output enabled (as is obvious by the first line) |
| [14:22:19] | janneg: | ok. --no-vmliux excludes the kernel part |
| [14:23:24] | janneg: | so zero must be the nvidia-kernel-blob |
| [14:23:24] | Beirdo: | well, where should it be pointed at? I don't think I have a vmlinux file |
| [14:24:09] | Beirdo: | oh, heh, let me check something |
| [14:24:41] | Beirdo: | yes I do... in my kernel source dir |
| [14:24:43] | janneg: | to a vmlinux file, it is in the kernel root after a kernel compile |
| [14:24:44] | Beirdo: | (dumbass) |
| [14:24:58] | janneg: | I'm too slow |
| [14:25:38] | Beirdo: | still no dev/zero stuff |
| [14:25:49] | Beirdo: | and we are using the same nvidia driver rev |
| [14:25:58] | Beirdo: | maybe SMP related somehow? |
| [14:26:08] | Beirdo: | be odd wouldn't it? |
| [14:26:29] | Beirdo: | let me try an MPEG2 file |
| [14:27:53] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [14:27:55] | janneg: | I don't think it's is actually /dev/zero |
| [14:27:58] | Beirdo: | same thing really |
| [14:28:26] | Beirdo: | do you need to clear the profile data between runs, or does ocontrol --start do that for ya? |
| [14:28:40] | Beirdo: | err, opcontrol |
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| [14:30:53] | janneg: | yes, it should if you want to be certain use opcontrol --reset after start |
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| [14:31:41] | Beirdo: | gotcha |
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| [14:33:23] | janneg: | and please try with output disabled |
| [14:33:41] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [14:33:44] | Beirdo: | OK, one sec |
| [14:34:02] | jammyd: | janneg: Given the way oprofile tracks samples (using its dcookie) mechanism, I'd be surprised if it wasn't /dev/zero, if it's reporting it to be |
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| [14:37:17] | janneg: | jammyd: but that will cause a high /dev/zero usage and why is it not reported as image:vmlinux, symbol:zero or something else? |
| [14:37:52] | Beirdo: | http://beirdo.pastebin.ca/131458 |
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| [14:38:07] | janneg: | I have no kernel modul zero |
| [14:38:24] | Beirdo: | that's a 480p (720x480) MPEG2 clip, no output |
| [14:39:30] | Beirdo: | how did you get the library filename listed too? |
| [14:39:58] | janneg: | strange, I get http://beirdo.pastebin.ca/131461 |
| [14:40:26] | Beirdo: | must be a different version of oprofile |
| [14:40:37] | janneg: | I'm using following opreport options: --demangle=smart --symbols gputrans |
| [14:40:45] | Beirdo: | I have 0.9.1 from ubuntu |
| [14:41:08] | Beirdo: | yeah, I copied your command line (with the --merge tgid) |
| [14:41:48] | janneg: | I have 0.9.1 gentoo ebuild |
| [14:42:01] | Beirdo: | so they should be theoretically the same |
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| [14:42:16] | Beirdo: | probably a config option or something |
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| [15:03:19] | Beirdo: | argh, dammit |
| [15:03:27] | Beirdo: | now Liberty has no signal on the cable box |
| [15:03:33] | Beirdo: | yesterday it was the modem |
| [15:04:29] | Juski: | omg. someone has sent me a naughty zipfile, as if to prove a point to me |
| [15:08:19] | Beirdo: | wow, so far the only working channels.... |
| [15:08:29] | Beirdo: | educational/govt and TVLand |
| [15:09:44] | Beirdo: | ooh, and the Game Show network |
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| [15:10:17] | Beirdo: | CourtTV. |
| [15:10:18] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [15:10:27] | Juski: | I think someone has me down as having gone over to the 'dark side' |
| [15:10:41] | Beirdo: | not bad... 4 out of 70 channels |
| [15:10:47] | Beirdo: | such a quality provider |
| [15:11:07] | Juski: | Beirdo: like you have any choice? ;) |
| [15:11:29] | Beirdo: | the DMX music channels aren't borked though |
| [15:11:36] | Beirdo: | we do if we get satellite |
| [15:11:54] | Beirdo: | we have no choice currently for high speed internet though |
| [15:12:38] | ** Beirdo feels like mailing dog turds to their office ** | |
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| [15:14:17] | Beirdo: | the sad thing is, we are like 1.5 miles from the next town, and I think they have adelphia |
| [15:16:50] | Ryushin: | So, I just purchased a Athlon X2 running at 2.2 ghz. Does anyone thing this is fast enough to watch HD in mpeg4? |
| [15:18:15] | Beirdo: | only one way to know |
| [15:18:30] | notkafk: | yet alone, isn't most HD in mpeg-2? |
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| [15:20:04] | Ryushin: | Well, I guess I'll have to wait for the cpu to get here. Yea, all HD is in mpeg2. |
| [15:21:02] | Ryushin: | Oh, in mythtv-setup, under general, you can set TV format to NTSC or ATSC (And a bunch of PAL, but I'm in the US), since I watch both ntsc and atsc, which should I choose? |
| [15:25:05] | Aid`: | i would try out both and see which one looks best for both of them |
| [15:25:38] | notkafk: | erm, wouldn't you have two different tuners? |
| [15:25:42] | notkafk: | one ntsc and ont atsc? |
| [15:30:09] | Juski: | Ryushin: it might be fast enough. check all the 'BBC test mux' forum threads everywhere. seems 3GHz P4 machines can't play it at above 15fps |
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| [15:43:14] | Ryushin: | notkafk: Yea, I have two ntsc, and two atsc tuners. |
| [15:43:56] | Ryushin: | Juski: Well, after the stuff gets here, I'll see if it can do 720p. |
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| [15:45:52] | Ryushin: | The AMD X2 processor was only $181 running at 2.2 ghz at new egg. Even found a nice Asus board that has 5 pci slots on it, GB Lan. etc. I'll have that thing completely filled. Now I just have to wait for the 1 TB hard drives to come out and I can fit six of those in my case. Over time though. |
| [15:46:19] | Ryushin: | Is their a multi recording storage devices patch out yet? |
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| [15:47:14] | janneg: | Ryushin: yes, #1772 |
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| [15:47:43] | janneg: | but it has some issues |
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| [15:50:05] | Juski: | notkafk: one thing to note is that HDTV in Europe will almost certainly be h.264 – all the test broadcasts currently are |
| [15:52:43] | Ryushin: | janneg: What are those issues? |
| [15:53:20] | GreyFoxx: | Xris: You around ? |
| [15:55:26] | janneg: | Ryushin: it creates two live-tv recordings and slave backends with multiple dir doesn't work correct |
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| [15:57:40] | Ryushin: | janneg: Okay, that is fine for now. I only have one mythbox, and I watch next to no live-tv. |
| [16:03:34] | notkafk: | Ryushin, well, why not set the ntsc tuners to ntsc and the atsc tuners to atsc? |
| [16:03:44] | notkafk: | GreyFoxx, he's on vacation |
| [16:04:05] | Ryushin: | notkafk: It doesn't give me that option in the General section of the setup. |
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| [16:04:53] | laga: | Ryushin: it'll give ya that option when you setup your capture card, i think. or it might be located under "video sources" |
| [16:05:08] | notkafk: | Ryushin, yeah, it'd be under video-sources or tuner card setup |
| [16:05:31] | notkafk: | the general one is the 'default' one iirc, and you can over-ride it in the other settings |
| [16:05:43] | Juski: | heheh. oh I have plans for these 'video sources'.. and I found out what needs to change. muhahahahha |
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| [16:06:18] | laga: | Juski: how are you gonna call them now? 'epg source'? |
| [16:06:21] | janneg: | the name? |
| [16:06:37] | Juski: | yep |
| [16:06:58] | Juski: | little thing like that |
| [16:07:30] | Juski: | it's never seemed logical to call them 'video' sources. When I see 'video source' I think AV1 on my TV |
| [16:08:23] | Ryushin: | janneg: 1772 doesn't seem to be the right one: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1772 |
| [16:10:01] | janneg: | Ryushin: sorry. #1744. but it has multiple in its title too :) |
| [16:10:31] | Beirdo: | oh sweet |
| [16:10:37] | Beirdo: | at least Liberty did ONE thing right |
| [16:10:53] | Beirdo: | I can snmp probe the modem, so I can actually graph stuff |
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| [16:15:31] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: Technically that means they did something wrong :) |
| [16:15:48] | GreyFoxx: | Cause a user is not suppose to have access beyond what any internal web interface gives them :) |
| [16:15:49] | Beirdo: | shhh |
| [16:16:06] | Beirdo: | I can get network interface stats via snmp |
| [16:16:09] | Beirdo: | works for me |
| [16:16:17] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [16:16:28] | Beirdo: | but yeah, they are incompetant fools |
| [16:17:09] | Beirdo: | adding to cacti right now |
| [16:17:10] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [16:18:45] | Beirdo: | the internal web interface lets me change the cable format to Europe or Japan if I want |
| [16:18:48] | Beirdo: | dumbasses |
| [16:19:22] | GreyFoxx: | They would get overwritten at the next boot :) |
| [16:19:31] | Beirdo: | oh likely |
| [16:19:39] | Beirdo: | but you'd think they'd mask that |
| [16:20:41] | Rentar: | when I add two tv cards to my backend, is it possible to list duplicate channels only once and automagically choose the better source, if it's available? 'Cause I've got a digital and an analog card right now and they recieve pretty much the same channels ... |
| [16:22:13] | laga: | i believe that is possible. i believe that, if two channels have the same callsign, the only show up once. IMHO. and you can assign priorities to cards, or just add them into the right order. |
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| [16:23:14] | Rentar: | hm ... I've called the channels the same names but it still shows them both ... I've also set the digital card to priority 10 and the analog one to -10 ... I'll try again ... |
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| [16:29:29] | Ryushin: | janneg: So is #1744 in the current SVN? I'm using SVN right now, so can I just specify multiple recording directories seperated by commas and it will just work? |
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| [16:32:36] | janneg: | Ryushin: no, you need to apply the patch in that ticket |
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| [16:34:12] | Ryushin: | janneg: Okay, hopefully it will apply to current SVN. |
| [16:34:19] | DrMitch: | so you think a 2.6ghz celeron with 256mb ram and a software decoder card will be enough to run myth as a boxtop? |
| [16:35:06] | Juski: | DrMitch: for all but HDTV, yes |
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| [16:35:25] | DrMitch: | sweet |
| [16:35:33] | GreyFoxx: | And even for HDTV it would be close I expect |
| [16:35:52] | Juski: | close but YMMV |
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| [16:36:15] | GreyFoxx: | my main backend+frontend running an XP2500 can play 1080i without any hiccups. Though it's pretty close to 100% |
| [16:36:21] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [16:36:55] | DrMitch: | well a xp2500 is different from a 2.6 celeron |
| [16:36:59] | GreyFoxx: | Speaking of which, I need to find a new heatsink and fan for that thing |
| [16:37:09] | GreyFoxx: | DrMitch: It is, the xp2500 runs at like 1.8ghz |
| [16:37:36] | DrMitch: | and 2.6 celeron runs like 10mhz |
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| [16:41:09] | Fnc-1: | grey ill sell ya what i got! |
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| [16:43:50] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: my firewire goes unstable anytime I reboot I got to come up with a slick script to verify checks of something would you mind helping me later? |
| [16:44:01] | SlicerDicer-: | I am pretty sure it could be done rather simply |
| [16:44:17] | GreyFoxx: | Fnc-1: Heh |
| [16:44:20] | Fnc-1: | you guys see the news about the pc blue ray drive? |
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| [16:44:50] | Fnc-1: | its some nice heatpipe thing i paid like 35 bux for, then i got one of those big ass nearly silent 6 in or so fans for it |
| [16:45:05] | Fnc-1: | couldnt fit it in my case... the heat pipe hit my memory or sometin |
| [16:45:26] | SlicerDicer-: | I want to make a script that sets connection to point2point then checks to see if there is data coming through into a file using test-mpeg2 if data is not existant deactivate point2point then reactivate and try till data comes through |
| [16:45:40] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: as I have discovered sometimes it wont activate properly the point2point |
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| [16:49:40] | Chicago: | This is off topic, does anybody know howto make their overnet client work more effeciently? I've been waiting on a hash to download for more than a week. |
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| [16:53:46] | Juski: | overnet? |
| [16:54:39] | Juski: | bleh. e-horsey type thingy |
| [16:55:21] | Chicago: | Well, not exactly edonkey. Overnet is an autonomous network. |
| [16:56:07] | Juski: | hrm. this is a fine howdy doody. got 2 sony dvdrw drives, both allegedly the same firmware rev. Only one works with a given set of commands – the other goes 'error'. both work with Nero in a windows machine. weirdness |
| [16:56:40] | Chicago: | Out of curiousity are they on the same IDE cable? |
| [16:56:47] | Juski: | so what's overnet used for? 1337 w@r35 & stuff? |
| [16:56:54] | Juski: | Chicago: no they're not |
| [16:57:06] | Chicago: | Out of curiousity are they both set to cable select? |
| [16:57:28] | Juski: | nope. both set to slave with sony's utility (I should say LiteOn's util) |
| [16:57:56] | Chicago: | If you disconnect the one which is working now... will the other one start working? |
| [16:58:08] | Juski: | they're not in the machine at the same time :) |
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| [16:59:19] | Chicago: | Are you trying to put them both in the same machine? |
| [16:59:30] | Juski: | this isn't a PC setup btw |
| [17:00:04] | John1: | seems like one of the drives may be bugged |
| [17:00:04] | Juski: | I have an ATA analyser so I can see straight away that one drive supports a command we send it while the other (alleged same firmware rev.) returns an error |
| [17:00:24] | Juski: | but both work in a PC, seperately. |
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| [17:00:38] | John1: | are you able to reflash it? |
| [17:00:45] | Chicago: | Does the firmware flash utility let you put the same firmware into it... to overwrite it? |
| [17:00:59] | Juski: | they don't give us stuff like that! |
| [17:01:05] | John1: | heh |
| [17:01:06] | Juski: | and we're a big customer |
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| [17:01:45] | John1: | without any experience in this field.. I'd guess something is broken in one of the drives :P |
| [17:01:59] | John1: | but, nero/pc is able to avoid it .. or doesn't have to use the broken part |
| [17:02:01] | Juski: | nothing is broken – they both work on a windows box |
| [17:02:39] | John1: | or perhaps the quality if your ata timing is borderline, within the tolerance of one drive but not the other |
| [17:02:40] | Juski: | and the windows box sends it slightly different commands. I'm just wondering how sony think they can get away with having 2 firmware revs with the same version number |
| [17:02:42] | Chicago: | Are you using 80 conductor cables? |
| [17:03:09] | Juski: | yup |
| [17:03:13] | John1: | it is very odd, though |
| [17:03:20] | John1: | I'd love to play with that setup |
| [17:03:56] | Juski: | you'd soon get bored. I know I do |
| [17:04:07] | John1: | probably .. I wouldn't do it for a long period of time |
| [17:04:26] | Juski: | I'm lookinf forward to diagging USB protocol stuff... |
| [17:04:32] | Juski: | almost as much as sata |
| [17:04:38] | Chicago: | Does the bad drive work on other motherboards? (not using windows) |
| [17:05:18] | Juski: | the 'bad' drive works fine – infact it was returned NFF from Sony themselves |
| [17:06:15] | Juski: | and in a PC, it 'just works', cos Nero has the mojo. My beef is that the 2 drives have slightly different command sets with the 'same firmware rev.' |
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| [17:07:30] | Juski: | course I could get fired for saying it could be our software to blame... |
| [17:07:33] | Juski: | :-P |
| [17:07:50] | Chicago: | Well, you could write menno from Nero. He's on sourceforge for the faac/faad projects. |
| [17:08:36] | Juski: | our software guys always stick to the story that they have the ATA spec on their desk, which they refer to when working on the drivers |
| [17:08:52] | John1: | sue sony? :) |
| [17:08:54] | Juski: | so by the very definition, there _cant_ be anything wrong |
| [17:08:59] | Juski: | pfft |
| [17:09:02] | John1: | false advertising claiming the drive's ATA |
| [17:09:05] | John1: | if they claim that |
| [17:09:13] | Juski: | you'd be amazed how many makers do it |
| [17:09:48] | Juski: | makes a mockery of 'standards' |
| [17:10:51] | Juski: | every time we get a new manufacturer in, we end up going back to them, signing a big fat NDA to get the docs on how to program them to work |
| [17:11:32] | Juski: | how the hell the guys who make linux burning work do it I dunno |
| [17:12:13] | scopeuk: | Juski witha shit load of patients and reveres engineering |
| [17:12:32] | Juski: | bushound & the right windows burning software ;) |
| [17:12:37] | Chicago: | Does nero4linux work on the drive? |
| [17:12:54] | Juski: | Chicago: I dunno. ain't allowed linux officially |
| [17:13:43] | Juski: | I'll speak to Sony's guy tomorrow |
| [17:14:54] | Juski: | right. email sent. time to go home & yell "hi honey I'm home!" |
| [17:15:03] | Chicago: | see ya later |
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| [17:32:04] | evilDagmar: | Juski: It's just kinda sad that there'll be no one there to hear it. |
| [17:33:37] | scopeuk: | evilDagmar juski is ofline atm |
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| [17:35:33] | evilDagmar: | Drat I thought he let a client idle forever like everyone else |
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| [17:37:43] | Coume: | hi all |
| [17:37:55] | Coume: | hi laga |
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| [17:53:39] | laga: | hi Coume |
| [17:56:00] | ** nero and my mojo is now here Juski.. ** | |
| [17:56:11] | nero: | er.. me and my mojo that is. |
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| [17:58:54] | Beirdo: | whoah... kormoc just showing up now? :) |
| [17:58:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [18:04:35] | Coume: | laga what about becoming gardengnome for few mins if you are free ;) |
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| [18:07:41] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone remember if someone was working on either a new or improved mythstreamtv add on for mythweb? |
| [18:08:16] | gardengnome: | GreyFoxx: i think xris/kormoc were... something involving flash. |
| [18:08:59] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [18:09:10] | kormoc: | flash videos inside of mythweb |
| [18:09:16] | kormoc: | on demand watching |
| [18:09:42] | gardengnome: | <3 |
| [18:09:52] | GreyFoxx: | Is flash what googlevideo / youtube are using ? |
| [18:09:58] | kormoc: | aye |
| [18:10:01] | GreyFoxx: | sweet |
| [18:10:19] | Saviq: | hmm... kormoc You want to use Your own player for that? |
| [18:10:25] | GreyFoxx: | kormoc: how are things going ? |
| [18:10:41] | Saviq: | sure it's possible? |
| [18:11:44] | kormoc: | yeah, it's going slow, with xris and I being really busy, but we've gotten it working in test cases |
| [18:12:32] | Beirdo: | flash sucketh |
| [18:12:33] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:12:34] | GreyFoxx: | Are you tying it into VLC or something to lower the bandwidth requirements ? |
| [18:12:37] | Saviq: | yeah but it'll work only for defined streams, wont it? |
| [18:13:50] | GreyFoxx: | Define "defined streams" |
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| [18:17:45] | Saviq: | sorry, I'm back.. |
| [18:17:59] | Saviq: | like only those that stream formats are known and implemented |
| [18:18:19] | GreyFoxx: | That's where trying to use something like VLC as a backend comes into play |
| [18:18:26] | GreyFoxx: | and even then if it' |
| [18:18:38] | GreyFoxx: | s used fopr recordings I'd be suprised if those were not already supported |
| [18:18:54] | Saviq: | possibly... |
| [18:19:23] | Saviq: | the most annoying thing about google video was that I downloaded the google player and downloaded a movie |
| [18:19:29] | Saviq: | but when tried to play it |
| [18:19:40] | Saviq: | it streamed anyway <bang a wall> |
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| [18:29:03] | GreyFoxx: | kormoc: Were you using the free flv player or something else? how were you feeding it the data ? |
| [18:29:13] | ** GreyFoxx is willing to put some work into getting it working ** | |
| [18:29:33] | kormoc: | Aye, testing with a free FLV player, and I was feeding it from ffmpeg, as it can output in flv format |
| [18:29:39] | GreyFoxx: | ahhhh |
| [18:29:52] | ** GreyFoxx wonders if vlc can as well ** | |
| [18:30:02] | kormoc: | I think it can, but I'm not entirely sure |
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| [18:40:50] | juski: | hrm. strange. my pvr150 seems to only have audio on one channel. I hope it's just a dodgy cable. |
| [18:46:38] | juski: | oh. it was just the stupid cable box |
| [18:46:50] | juski: | I was right.. dodgy cable :) |
| [18:49:44] | juski: | whoah.. nice case! http://www.serener.com/ |
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| [18:51:01] | Hoxzer: | :) |
| [18:51:51] | sigger: | very cool case |
| [18:52:38] | juski: | they have more, too... I wanna know if they sell them to the UK |
| [18:53:10] | janneg: | Beirdo: unloadframe() costs 30% more than mpeg decoding, loadframe() and the rest. 60fps with unloadframe versus 140fps without |
| [18:53:34] | Beirdo: | yeah, readback from the GPU is slow |
| [18:53:35] | Beirdo: | ;( |
| [18:53:44] | juski: | http://www.serener.com/pro_01.html ... is also very nice. no good for HDTV boxen but hey... |
| [18:53:45] | Hoxzer: | :/ damn my school starts tomorrow |
| [18:53:58] | Hoxzer: | :D and I haven't bought books yet |
| [18:54:23] | juski: | dropout |
| [18:54:59] | Hoxzer: | :P thx for being polite |
| [18:55:28] | Beirdo: | hey, I went a whole term without buying books once |
| [18:56:08] | juski: | so did I. I failed the year |
| [18:56:15] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:56:16] | Beirdo: | oops |
| [18:56:26] | Beirdo: | the only course I almost failed was Engineering Law |
| [18:56:53] | juski: | aeiiii... you know I said 'nice case' earlier... £150 plus VAT !!! ouch |
| [18:57:01] | Beirdo: | having good labe partners is useful |
| [18:57:07] | Beirdo: | lab partners rather |
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| [18:57:18] | GreyFoxx: | kormoc: Cool. I just converted a video with ffmpeg and am watching it with the flash player. If this could be fed by pipes live it could be neat except for no fast forwartding |
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| [18:57:54] | juski: | yeh well my admissions tutor omitted to tell me that come exam time I'd be the only guy left in my halls – and my course finished 2 weeks later than all the others |
| [18:58:24] | juski: | and I wasn't interested in passing, but hey |
| [18:58:36] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:58:47] | juski: | that's what can happen when you get handed a free college place |
| [18:58:51] | Beirdo: | and the MUD that I'm playing right now... almost made me fail a term too |
| [18:59:44] | juski: | if the internet had been around when I was at college.. |
| [18:59:51] | Beirdo: | it wsa |
| [18:59:54] | Beirdo: | was rather |
| [18:59:56] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:00:04] | Beirdo: | unless you went in the 60s like my dad :) |
| [19:00:18] | juski: | uk, in 1991... |
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| [19:00:26] | juski: | we had JaNET and that was it |
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| [19:00:31] | Beirdo: | hmmm, not very prevalent yet |
| [19:00:40] | Beirdo: | a few universities had it |
| [19:00:45] | Beirdo: | but certainly not all |
| [19:00:56] | Beirdo: | or something like that |
| [19:00:59] | sigger: | by my senior year in 1989 we had access to what became the internet |
| [19:01:01] | sigger: | (in US) |
| [19:01:08] | juski: | mine did... and a Prime minicomputer serving what we called 'Star Trek' terminals |
| [19:01:22] | sigger: | it was really just email if I recall. maybe some newsgroups. |
| [19:01:53] | juski: | we all had accounts with CPU time allocations.. pretty meagre at that – but we could buy more if we needed to. not nice |
| [19:01:58] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:02:19] | Beirdo: | in 1992, my university REFUSED to sell me CPU time on the unix machines |
| [19:02:31] | Beirdo: | "you're an engineering student, you'll use too much CPU time" |
| [19:02:47] | juski: | I did Pascal programming for a bit. that was just horrible. didn't understand very much of it |
| [19:02:51] | sigger: | we pretty much just had "factorial races" |
| [19:03:21] | _willcooke_: | hello all! |
| [19:03:26] | Beirdo: | I *think* the machine I wanted access too ran Ultrix |
| [19:04:09] | ** _willcooke_ reads upwards ** | |
| [19:04:19] | _willcooke_: | hehehe "surfers" did make me fail my exams |
| [19:04:30] | sigger: | my research advisor got me access to the brand new Sun machine that ran this c++ thing that noone knew what to do with. |
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| [19:04:33] | Beirdo: | Shadowdale... |
| [19:04:38] | Beirdo: | playin it right now too |
| [19:04:39] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:04:52] | juski: | the end of year workshops were what put the final nail in the coffin. first the assignment was to design & build a logic probe. that got re-jigged so then we had to lay out a PCB & build one. Then they handed us PCBs & a bag of bits. Some students who'd previously got distinctions were asking me which way round to solder a resistor. Mine was built & tested in under 30 minutes – the lecturer made me re-test it in front |
| [19:05:17] | juski: | heya _willcooke_ |
| [19:05:18] | gardengnome: | juski: so, BTW, ever tried xara with linux? |
| [19:05:57] | juski: | gardengnome: tried it last yesterday. better than inkscape IMHO but it doesn't feel quite homely enough yet |
| [19:06:02] | Beirdo: | juski, yeah, at the end of 3rd year Elec Eng, I heard a classmate ask which way around the resister goes... |
| [19:06:09] | gardengnome: | juski: k, was just wondering |
| [19:06:14] | Beirdo: | that dumbass should NOT be in Elec Eng |
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| [19:06:47] | _willcooke_: | waaay O.T. but does anyone know about digital SLR's? |
| [19:06:56] | Beirdo: | what about them |
| [19:07:01] | hashbang: | crikey, I'm a CompSci, and I knew a reasonable amount of electronics by GCSE. |
| [19:07:10] | juski: | the whole impression my degree course left me with was that if you can learn stuff by rote, you're an 'A' student by default. That sucks |
| [19:07:23] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: a little. What do you need to know? |
| [19:07:38] | ** juski knows he wants a digital SLR ** | |
| [19:07:44] | sigger: | juski: but that's what an undergrauduate degree is kinda |
| [19:08:13] | hashbang: | sigger: degrees and up /shouldn't/ be like that. |
| [19:08:20] | juski: | sigger: really? I couldn't have put up with 4 years of that |
| [19:08:21] | _willcooke_: | Well, I'm thinking of upgrading my old Practika to a digital. I've got about 500UKP to spend, I've heard the cannon is the way to go, but a few reviews I've read of the fuji says it's the same camera. Any exp.? |
| [19:08:46] | hashbang: | sigger: certainly mine was expecting more original work, I think. |
| [19:08:47] | Beirdo: | I would stick to either Canon or Nikon |
| [19:08:57] | Beirdo: | for the number of available lenses |
| [19:09:08] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: what beirdo says, and my preference would be for canon. |
| [19:09:10] | _willcooke_: | they have the same mount? |
| [19:09:17] | Beirdo: | no, different mounts |
| [19:09:19] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: I've seen some odd artifacts with nikons |
| [19:09:20] | _willcooke_: | canon / nikon? |
| [19:09:23] | Beirdo: | and my preference is Nikon |
| [19:09:32] | juski: | course the biggest joke at Poly was that I was about the only person there who'd opted to go there. everybody I knew didn't get the grades they needed for other places, so went in by 'clearing'.. lol |
| [19:09:37] | Beirdo: | never seen any artifacts with my D70 |
| [19:09:49] | sigger: | (caveat: only speaking from my US experience) I think the world has gotten so specialized that we all need further than 12th class training to compete in the workplace. College has become the next level of vocational training |
| [19:10:37] | _willcooke_: | Beirdo, would you buy from ebay? |
| [19:10:53] | Beirdo: | no |
| [19:10:56] | _willcooke_: | :) |
| [19:10:59] | Beirdo: | not for something that pricey |
| [19:11:02] | _willcooke_: | that's what I thought |
| [19:11:08] | hashbang: | Beirdo: I've not /used/ either, though, and from my Oly 750, I've learnt ergonomics is a bigger factor even for me. |
| [19:11:15] | Beirdo: | I'd insist on going to a camera shop |
| [19:11:25] | juski: | rule of thumb with Ebay... don't buy anything with money you might miss |
| [19:11:30] | _willcooke_: | :)) |
| [19:11:42] | Beirdo: | heh, I bought a Les Paul off ebay though |
| [19:11:48] | hashbang: | kerrang! |
| [19:11:53] | _willcooke_: | rock! |
| [19:12:03] | juski: | and there are plenty of fools who put stupid overpriced bids in ;) |
| [19:12:09] | hashbang: | the most expensive thing I bought from ebay was a Boss GT-5 effects box |
| [19:12:24] | _willcooke_: | I'll certainly miss being able to buy 2nd hand lens' for 15 quid a pop |
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| [19:12:44] | _willcooke_: | start with an 18 – 50mm or something like that? |
| [19:13:13] | Beirdo: | something like that |
| [19:13:22] | juski: | a wee while ago me & some guys at work pooled our money to get a bulk bargain on some ropey German electronic goods. we very nearly lost all of it |
| [19:13:32] | haj: | hey... uhm, any way to make mythfrontend play using video overlay? (without using an external player, since i run it in a window) |
| [19:13:36] | hashbang: | Beirdo: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD70/Samp . . . res-jpeg.jpg |
| [19:13:40] | _willcooke_: | good stuff, I'll go to the camera shop! Thanks |
| [19:13:49] | hashbang: | Beirdo: that's the sort of thing I'm talking about |
| [19:13:51] | juski: | haj: depends on your video card |
| [19:14:02] | haj: | juski: it's a nVidia. |
| [19:14:04] | Beirdo: | _willcooke_, at least that way you'll see what you like |
| [19:14:06] | juski: | (and the driver to a large extent) |
| [19:14:09] | haj: | FX-something |
| [19:14:10] | Beirdo: | then you can think about where to buy it |
| [19:14:50] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: of course, if you get good pre-sales service, you might feel bad about taking your custom somewhere cheaper. |
| [19:14:53] | juski: | haj: I think some 6xxx cards don't support overlay. search the users' mailing list for more detail on that horror story |
| [19:14:53] | _willcooke_: | plus if I'm buying 2nd hand I can take it back if it doesn't work |
| [19:14:54] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: I would. |
| [19:15:01] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [19:15:26] | haj: | juski: okay.. thanks for the tip :) |
| [19:15:51] | juski: | _willcooke_: I'd personally recommend you avoid Jessops- last time I went to buy something there some bloke came in wanting a camcorder. salesman dropped me like a lead weight |
| [19:16:00] | haj: | juski: it's a bit annoying that the picture freezes when i surf while watching stuff :) |
| [19:16:03] | _willcooke_: | I know a pretty good camera shop, they sold me my mini mu and I pleased with that, so I'll try them again |
| [19:16:07] | hashbang: | http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD70/Samp . . . 0155-002.jpg |
| [19:16:18] | _willcooke_: | juski, harsh. He with the deeper pockets wins |
| [19:16:52] | _willcooke_: | hashbang, strange moire? Is that only the D70 or Nikon generally |
| [19:16:54] | juski: | _willcooke_: I told my tale across the road (Jacobs) and they threw in some freebies, for less money :) |
| [19:17:00] | Beirdo: | hashbang, never seen it do that |
| [19:17:02] | Beirdo: | not once |
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| [19:17:03] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: well, that was the D70 |
| [19:17:04] | _willcooke_: | juski, Result!! |
| [19:17:23] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: like I said, though, I've not used either. |
| [19:17:29] | hashbang: | Beirdo, even |
| [19:17:41] | hashbang: | Beirdo: maybe it was a crappy pre-release firmware or something. |
| [19:18:01] | Beirdo: | probably so |
| [19:18:10] | haj: | juski: uhm, oh well, guess it's not supported on my card. |
| [19:18:10] | _willcooke_: | Beirdo, hashbang – have either of you tried tilt shift? |
| [19:18:13] | hashbang: | something to watch out for, anyway. |
| [19:18:22] | Beirdo: | tilt shift? |
| [19:18:22] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: tilt shift? |
| [19:18:23] | Beirdo: | huh |
| [19:18:25] | hashbang: | heh |
| [19:18:28] | juski: | makes me sick how cheap even half decent cameras are these days. my coolpix 700 was the best thing you could buy for £300 4 years ago |
| [19:18:44] | juski: | (that didn't use silly memory sticks anyway) |
| [19:18:57] | _willcooke_: | that thingy where you put you lens on a bellows and then tilt the bottom of the lens out, makes pictures look like scale models |
| [19:19:09] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [19:19:38] | _willcooke_: | juski, I hear that – I bought an HP for about 500quid and the next year a camera half the size, twice the pixels and about 2/3rds the cost comes out |
| [19:19:42] | hashbang: | juski: yeah, I paid 250GBP for a Kodak DC215 (1.3MP, 2x optical zoom) in 2000, I paid 350 for an Oly C-750UZ (4MP, 10x optical zoom) in 2004 |
| [19:19:59] | hashbang: | the oly has much better glass, too. |
| [19:20:26] | juski: | it's not even worth selling my current camera now |
| [19:20:38] | hashbang: | juski: I gave my DC215 to my Dad |
| [19:21:05] | _willcooke_: | tilt shift example... http://hame.ca/blog3/tiltshift/gallery/dsc_0058-1a.php |
| [19:21:18] | _willcooke_: | http://hame.ca/blog3/tiltshift/gallery/dsc_0071a.php |
| [19:21:48] | hashbang: | http://www.assursys.co.uk/people/alex/gallery . . . Filters=#pic # one of mine |
| [19:21:52] | juski: | oh btw... anyone here ever played with geexbox? workmate showed me it today... full meeja player doodah in like 8MB. no mythfrontend but it made me wonder... |
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| [19:23:04] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: wow, that works really well |
| [19:23:21] | _willcooke_: | hashbang, yeah – I love it. |
| [19:23:30] | juski: | _willcooke_: that looks nifty as.... messing with the depth of field or summink... there needs to be a plugin wot does that |
| [19:23:41] | gardengnome: | _willcooke_: wee, tiltshift looks cool. |
| [19:24:11] | hashbang: | I can't quite work out why it makes it look 'wrong' |
| [19:24:11] | nf|aevil^afk: | juski, yeah, geexbox looks nice |
| [19:24:26] | _willcooke_: | build your own tilt shift.... http://www.dennisonbertram.com/hackmaster/200 . . . -pc-lens.htm |
| [19:25:34] | hashbang: | http://www.lensbabies.com/pages/using.php |
| [19:25:35] | _willcooke_: | hashbang, nice pics – have you thought of entering the Countryfile comp? |
| [19:25:50] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: thanks! thought about it, but never bothered. |
| [19:26:27] | hashbang: | http://www.assursys.co.uk/people/alex/gallery . . . Filters=#pic # another personal fave |
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| [19:26:52] | _willcooke_: | hashbang, I went out in the storms we had over the last couple of days, but I have to wait until I get the film developed before I know whats good, hence the need for an dslr! :) |
| [19:27:05] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: yeah, instant feedback is great. |
| [19:27:27] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: if there's a one-off shot, you can review instantly and just reshoot if it didn't work out. |
| [19:27:31] | _willcooke_: | hashbang, nice, I like the droplets of water |
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| [19:27:52] | Beirdo: | I like using film still |
| [19:28:09] | _willcooke_: | hashbang, do any dslr's you know of do auto-bracketing? |
| [19:28:28] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: EV? |
| [19:28:37] | Beirdo: | Nikon D70 does AFAIK |
| [19:28:37] | _willcooke_: | hashbang, wassat? |
| [19:28:47] | Beirdo: | and also the similar Canon models |
| [19:28:52] | _willcooke_: | cool |
| [19:28:58] | hashbang: | exposure value |
| [19:29:05] | ** _willcooke_ googles ** | |
| [19:29:08] | hashbang: | I think even my 750 does a variety of bracketing |
| [19:29:42] | hashbang: | yup, it does |
| [19:29:48] | _willcooke_: | nice |
| [19:30:19] | hashbang: | the 750's a nice little cam |
| [19:30:40] | hashbang: | electronic viewfinder, able to attach additional lenses, etc. |
| [19:30:53] | hashbang: | so it's about as close to an SLR as a digi gets |
| [19:31:05] | hashbang: | but it's quite slow, and the UI is a bit fiddly. |
| [19:31:16] | hashbang: | also, focussing in low-light is pants. |
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| [19:36:42] | juski: | hahaha. people chucking out old pcs to the local tip are being 419'd. (allegedly) |
| [19:37:03] | _willcooke_: | juski, yeah – I read that today – serves them right! |
| [19:37:29] | juski: | watching 'real story' now |
| [19:37:55] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: http://www.assursys.co.uk/people/alex/gallery . . . Filters=#pic # spot the schoolboy error! |
| [19:39:24] | sigger: | hashbang: that's a shame |
| [19:39:29] | sigger: | nice pic |
| [19:39:36] | hashbang: | still, a bit of cropping... |
| [19:39:47] | hashbang: | annoying that I didn't spot it whilst I was still at Westonbirt |
| [19:40:38] | sigger: | changes centering, removes some of that interesting leaf at lower left, less total field. |
| [19:40:47] | sigger: | still cool tho |
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| [19:42:47] | _willcooke_: | hashbang, Haha! At least it wasnt your thumb! I've got some lovely lightning shots, only with the cable release smack in the middle! |
| [19:42:53] | juski: | ffs... near riot in this programme when a 419 net cafe is raided.. hehehhe |
| [19:43:10] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: d'oh. |
| [19:43:22] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: oh, the oly has IR 'cable release' |
| [19:43:31] | _willcooke_: | sweet! |
| [19:43:35] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: unfortunately, there's only one sensor, and it's at the front |
| [19:43:43] | _willcooke_: | ha! stupid! |
| [19:43:43] | hashbang: | _willcooke_: so you need to reach round... |
| [19:43:55] | hashbang: | they really should have put one on the back as well |
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| [19:52:37] | juski: | <8 timestretch. half hour shows in 20 minutes. oh yay |
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| [19:54:05] | hashbang: | juski: yeah, timestretch is v. cool for Question Time |
| [19:54:18] | hashbang: | etc. |
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| [20:02:48] | _willcooke_: | thanks for the camera advice, bbl |
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| [20:03:52] | Led-Hed: | Does MythTV have a screensaver? |
| [20:04:07] | Hoxzer: | :( |
| [20:04:19] | gardengnome: | hashbang: i believe you could make a playback group for SWMBO and turn timestretch for that to 1.2–1.5. that should work... |
| [20:04:37] | DrNickRiviera: | can i somehow deactivate a tuner card in myth, rather then deleting the configuration entirely? |
| [20:07:29] | juski: | Led-Hed: no mythtv doesn't have a screensaver |
| [20:07:46] | juski: | wouldn't be high on my list of must-have features either |
| [20:07:49] | evilDagmar: | Led-Hed: When you're watching TV it doesnt' need one. When it's sitting at the menu, DPMS kicks in and blanks/suspends things at the appropriate time |
| [20:08:04] | Led-Hed: | juski: if you had a Plasma TV it would |
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| [20:08:16] | evilDagmar: | juski: Someone should just find a way to make it pull in XScreenSaver for the job and leave it at that |
| [20:08:17] | juski: | would serve you right for leaving it on too long :-P |
| [20:08:35] | evilDagmar: | I wouldn't spend money on something that expensive with a short lifespan |
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| [20:08:53] | medwards: | I just turn the TV off.... |
| [20:09:08] | juski: | course I could just be bitter because I don't have £1000 disposable income ever month |
| [20:09:10] | Led-Hed: | its not that simple |
| [20:09:22] | juski: | s/ever/every |
| [20:09:32] | evilDagmar: | The more I look at it the more I am seriously thinking about biting the bullet and learning C++ just to beat some more advanced functionality into it |
| [20:09:44] | juski: | evilDagmar: don't forget the Qt |
| [20:09:47] | medwards: | yeah.. the code base is just... intimidating.. |
| [20:09:49] | medwards: | oh god. |
| [20:09:52] | medwards: | slots and.. thingers.. |
| [20:09:55] | medwards: | I can't even remember |
| [20:09:59] | medwards: | EVENT LISTENERS FTW |
| [20:10:25] | evilDagmar: | Well, maybe 15+ years of experience could help bring sanity to it |
| [20:10:26] | juski: | evilDagmar: oh more config options. grrrreat |
| [20:10:39] | evilDagmar: | juski: Actually, I'm thinking about throwing in something like Xine's config |
| [20:10:54] | Led-Hed: | is DPMS a feature that the monitor needs to support? |
| [20:10:57] | medwards: | oh god... |
| [20:11:09] | medwards: | Xine only needs like half of those options.. the rest should be autodetected.. |
| [20:11:10] | evilDagmar: | You get "difficulty" settings that might enable the more complex/arcane/advanced options |
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| [20:11:25] | juski: | I need to download (l33ch) the latest & greatest XBMC. I heard they've gone all 'blingy' with animated menus |
| [20:11:27] | DrNickRiviera: | evilDagmar: that one of the summer of code projects ;) |
| [20:11:40] | evilDagmar: | 'cuz like, 80–90% of the setup items arent' needed more than half the time |
| [20:11:52] | evilDagmar: | If this were in perl I could do it about as fast as I could type |
| [20:12:07] | DrNickRiviera: | so you can hopefully look forward to seeing configuration being a lot easier to manage |
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| [20:12:30] | evilDagmar: | DrNickRiviera: The other option I've been contemplating is just making a CGI of it |
| [20:12:36] | fir3: | hi |
| [20:12:48] | juski: | yeh not only is it being dissolved into 'experience' levels it's being reorgy-niced I think |
| [20:12:55] | evilDagmar: | Now, the only thing slowing that down would be simply mapping out what the hell is in the database |
| [20:12:57] | fir3: | someone here running mythfrontend on the macbook? |
| [20:13:01] | DrNickRiviera: | yeah |
| [20:13:16] | TiTaN_pi8: | is anybody able to watch recordings from mythtv with a hardware mpeg encoder on windows? I was under the impression that this should work automatically, but when I try it, the windows pc doesn't play but just reads from the hard disk for several minutes (10 minutes+)... |
| [20:13:29] | DrNickRiviera: | that was referring to what juski said |
| [20:13:36] | evilDagmar: | TiTaN_pi8: One of the Hauppauge PVR cards? |
| [20:13:40] | TiTaN_pi8: | yes |
| [20:13:42] | TiTaN_pi8: | pvr 500 |
| [20:13:50] | evilDagmar: | TiTaN_pi8: It should work with Windows Media PLayer just fine |
| [20:13:59] | TiTaN_pi8: | strange, it doesn't :s |
| [20:14:01] | evilDagmar: | It's a relatively boring MPG file |
| [20:14:03] | juski: | TiTaN_pi8: yeah, I used to do that. You should try mythstreamtv, or _tapeworm_ |
| [20:14:14] | evilDagmar: | TiTaN_pi8: What kind of a network do you have? |
| [20:14:17] | juski: | tapeworm has a sucky UI but it works |
| [20:14:18] | TiTaN_pi8: | btw i am using a cvs version |
| [20:14:23] | evilDagmar: | Doesn't matter. |
| [20:14:30] | juski: | cvs version? so what.. 0.18-something? :-P |
| [20:14:33] | TiTaN_pi8: | evilDagmar 100mbit but i copied the file to the windows box by ftp |
| [20:14:36] | evilDagmar: | The card does all the encoding so it's not going to change no matter what version of Myth you're using |
| [20:14:54] | juski: | TiTaN_pi8: you might not have any joy with WMP. try VLC instead |
| [20:14:57] | evilDagmar: | TiTaN_pi8: Okay, then you need to beat the hell out of Windows Media Player 10 or remove your viruses or whatever |
| [20:15:03] | TiTaN_pi8: | hehe |
| [20:15:06] | TiTaN_pi8: | i will try vlc |
| [20:15:19] | TiTaN_pi8: | winamp doesn't work either (but it sucks for video) :) |
| [20:15:35] | evilDagmar: | I am able to play the files, even across the CIFS/Samba fileshare, and I have literally installed *nothing* on this XP machine but Mozilla, some games, and Cygwin |
| [20:15:43] | juski: | and give tapeworm a shot. it's free-ish but they recommend you donate to charity – quite noble some might say |
| [20:15:51] | evilDagmar: | Everythine about WMP has come in through WindowsUpdate. |
| [20:15:52] | TiTaN_pi8: | i'll check it out |
| [20:15:53] | evilDagmar: | It *should* work |
| [20:16:09] | evilDagmar: | Have you tried playing *other* MPG files? |
| [20:16:24] | juski: | WMP doesn't do mpeg2 out of the box anyway |
| [20:16:32] | evilDagmar: | You could have fooled mine. |
| [20:17:00] | juski: | really? so why do they try & flog you mpeg2 decoders to make MCE work? |
| [20:17:03] | TiTaN_pi8: | this is exactly what happens when i double click the mpg file i downloaded from the mythtv box: wmp opens and loads for about 2 secs and then displays the length of the video wich is 0:00 :s then it just rattels on searching stuff on the hard disk but it never plays |
| [20:17:12] | TiTaN_pi8: | i can play other mpeg2 files |
| [20:17:30] | evilDagmar: | TiTaN_pi8: Try a different file from your myth box. That one may have gotten corrupted somehow |
| [20:17:34] | juski: | if you have a DVD player program installed, say powerdvd.. you can just play the files in that believe it or not |
| [20:17:36] | evilDagmar: | Or set up Samba |
| [20:17:38] | Led-Hed: | will DPMS kick in if you are watching s show or movie? |
| [20:17:41] | evilDagmar: | That will make things much easier |
| [20:17:43] | juski: | Led-Hed: nope |
| [20:17:46] | evilDagmar: | Led-Hed: dear god of course not |
| [20:17:51] | evilDagmar: | That would be awful |
| [20:18:03] | juski: | or nice.. depending on what you're watching ;) |
| [20:18:05] | TiTaN_pi8: | evilDagmar: yes, i am going to install samba, but that won't work if this doesn't work i think. |
| [20:18:09] | TiTaN_pi8: | vlc is almost installed |
| [20:18:18] | Led-Hed: | well there is no mouse movement or keyboard activity. which is what usually prevents DPMS from activating |
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| [20:18:33] | evilDagmar: | juski: Nero *might* be where I got my mpg codec from, but I really do think WMP10 just ran out online and got the codec |
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| [20:18:40] | juski: | Led-Hed: myth stops DPMS activating, you dummy :) |
| [20:18:50] | Led-Hed: | juski: even in the menus |
| [20:18:58] | juski: | Led-Hed: no not in the menus |
| [20:19:02] | Led-Hed: | ok |
| [20:19:05] | Led-Hed: | thanks |
| [20:19:12] | TiTaN_pi8: | cool vlc plays the file just fine! |
| [20:19:30] | TiTaN_pi8: | thx for the help ;) |
| [20:19:39] | juski: | and now TiTaN_pi8, you are but another statistic :) |
| [20:20:01] | juski: | oh wait you can't be. you said thanks. |
| [20:20:05] | ** juski reels in shock! ** | |
| [20:20:06] | TiTaN_pi8: | mmh hold on, the audio now stutters every 4 seconds orso |
| [20:20:32] | juski: | TiTaN_pi8: sucky |
| [20:20:38] | TiTaN_pi8: | idd |
| [20:20:51] | juski: | ahh the mpeg2 from pvr cards, like DVB tuners, aint quite 'proper' mpeg2 |
| [20:21:17] | juski: | find mplayer for winduzz :) that outta do it |
| [20:21:38] | TiTaN_pi8: | i'll try that |
| [20:21:53] | juski: | or install a DVD player program. powerdvd coped with my pvr card recordings – and dvb last time I tried |
| [20:22:11] | TiTaN_pi8: | mmh i have windvd |
| [20:23:40] | sigger: | anyone wanna take a couple minutes to give me an idea how to have my USB thumb drive automount so I can add its contents via Video Manager. (yes, my alternative is to RTFM; but first I gotta find out where in TFM) |
| [20:24:40] | juski: | sigger: make a symbolic link to where your thumb drive will automount to, in the video directory |
| [20:24:58] | TiTaN_pi8: | windvd works perfectly |
| [20:25:10] | juski: | TiTaN_pi8: result! |
| [20:25:12] | sigger: | its the automount part that I have no experience with, actually |
| [20:25:33] | TiTaN_pi8: | thanks :) |
| [20:25:40] | juski: | I've been meaning to play with automounting so I can wikify it |
| [20:26:00] | TiTaN_pi8: | btw, is anybody interested in a 'user managed system' for mythweb? |
| [20:26:11] | juski: | TiTaN_pi8: what would that mean? |
| [20:26:41] | juski: | sigger: ubuntu automounts most stuff by default and I've not worked out what black magic it uses yet |
| [20:27:04] | TiTaN_pi8: | you can manage (add/edit/delete) users and groups with their individual rights for using mythweb |
| [20:27:18] | sigger: | if I continue to plug and unplug should it continue to come it as the same e.g. sda1 |
| [20:27:25] | juski: | TiTaN_pi8: sounds cool-ish :) |
| [20:27:56] | TiTaN_pi8: | for example you can have a couple of users that are allowed to record any time and do administrative tasks such as delete other users' recordings... and another group of users that have more limited rights... |
| [20:27:59] | juski: | TiTaN_pi8: that could tie in with a SoC project (make mythtv multi-user) actually |
| [20:28:11] | TiTaN_pi8: | i am working on that |
| [20:28:17] | juski: | lol. figures |
| [20:28:39] | juski: | before anyone else asks, is it ready yet??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? ;) |
| [20:28:44] | TiTaN_pi8: | but my code is probably not good enough for the project, i just learned php on my own |
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| [20:28:55] | TiTaN_pi8: | no it is in development ;) |
| [20:29:36] | juski: | it's almost as popular a question as (shhh! you know which one) these days |
| [20:30:20] | TiTaN_pi8: | currently i can add/delete users and groups and set about 10 differnt permission options for each group. I can also invite users by email and let them activate their own account. |
| [20:30:41] | TiTaN_pi8: | i haven't started the actual integration with mythweb yet |
| [20:30:47] | juski: | oh noes! when I build ffmpeg yesterday I broked something. mythmusic no longer worky. |
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| [20:31:52] | juski: | whoops. wrong frontend |
| [20:32:15] | juski: | so mythmusic has _never_ worked on this box. gahhh |
| [20:32:35] | TiTaN_pi8: | juski: which version of mythtv are you using? |
| [20:32:44] | juski: | TiTaN_pi8: 0.19-fixes |
| [20:33:24] | TiTaN_pi8: | i remember mythmusic being very slown on 0.19 |
| [20:33:40] | juski: | I had a right struggle getting amarok to work with mp3s.. I prolly broke mythmusic then |
| [20:33:40] | TiTaN_pi8: | i don't know if this is still the case with the latest cvs version |
| [20:34:05] | juski: | d/oh |
| [20:34:30] | juski: | I've simply not set its device up |
| [20:35:38] | juski: | having mythtv & mythmusic set up to use different devices could be useful in some cases, but not in mine |
| [20:36:15] | TiTaN_pi8: | mmh |
| [20:37:48] | juski: | oh bugger. seems I was wrong about that |
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| [20:40:29] | nero: | Can we stop talking about Nero?? X-Chat keeps notifying me that someone is talking to me.. ;) |
| [20:40:51] | nero: | Lets call Nero the software, "Ner".. easier to type, and doesnt get X-Chat all riled up.. ;) |
| [20:41:34] | juski: | you have to laugh. I'd only forgot to point mythmusic at the right dir. I'm a bloody idiot |
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| [20:45:28] | TiTaN_pi8: | :o |
| [20:45:54] | juski: | that'd be why decoder mad had error number 5 |
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| [20:50:26] | juski: | crap. just unpacked projectgrayhem to /usr/share/mythtv/themes & it's not coming up in the list of choices |
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| [20:53:43] | juski: | Iconview, Error: failed to get submenu area. segmentation fault. nice sanity checking |
| [20:54:14] | legtod2: | Good afternoon all |
| [20:54:50] | juski: | just FYI peeps – ProjectGrayhem1.7 (the 4:3 one) makes svn mythgallery segfault |
| [20:54:59] | juski: | hey legtod2 |
| [20:55:12] | TiTaN_pi8: | legtod2, where are you from? it's 22:55 here in Belgium |
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| [20:55:16] | legtod2: | Hello juski |
| [20:55:36] | legtod2: | New Brunswick Canada 5:55pm |
| [20:55:54] | TiTaN_pi8: | juski, where are you from? |
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| [20:56:01] | juski: | UK |
| [20:56:16] | legtod2: | I just finished transfering from my P3 to P4 using Firewire and pvr-250 |
| [20:56:47] | juski: | whah.. are my eyes deceiving me? mythvideo in svn has got gallery mode folder view filtering back? |
| [20:57:22] | TiTaN_pi8: | what a name 'gallery mode folder view filtering' |
| [20:57:50] | juski: | ah.. they might be deceiving me... I'll dig further later |
| [20:58:21] | legtod2: | Just a question to the gallery, any having problems with firewire starting with watch tv, sometime it takes 2 or 3 attempts. |
| [20:59:09] | juski: | damn. how do you guys put up with using projectgrayhem 4:3 with the scrolly-ness of it? that stinks |
| [20:59:10] | TiTaN_pi8: | i'm gonna go watch some tv. I'll see you guys! |
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| [21:00:51] | juski: | damn. still can't filter the gallery mode when 'browses files' is enabled-ified. pity |
| [21:03:18] | legtod2: | Quiet bunch |
| [21:07:42] | juski: | stopped the segfault. damn theme maintenance |
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| [21:22:02] | juski: | yay.. thats PG-wide fixed for svn I think now |
| [21:23:56] | gardengnome: | sounds good |
| [21:24:11] | juski: | now to upload it... bastard. the ftp details are on the windows hdd |
| [21:24:57] | juski: | ah well. something to tackle tomorrow |
| [21:25:14] | juski: | unless... |
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| [21:31:00] | juski: | damn. my ftp account is deactivated |
| [21:31:03] | juski: | nuts |
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| [21:34:38] | janneg: | Beirdo: have you tried to pack the planes into BGRA? it seems to be much faster except that it doesn't work |
| [21:34:56] | Beirdo: | it's of no use |
| [21:35:08] | Beirdo: | to do that, you need to have them not in a planar format |
| [21:35:26] | Beirdo: | i.e. they will be read from CPU memory in order R, G, B, A |
| [21:35:43] | Beirdo: | (or equivalently – Y, U, V, 0) |
| [21:35:59] | Beirdo: | but planar YUV is stored with all the Y first, then all the U, then all the V |
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| [21:36:20] | Beirdo: | and repacking it on the CPU will take more effort than it's worth |
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| [21:37:40] | janneg: | yeah, I meant something different. pack the Y with Cg into a smaller BGRA texture |
| [21:38:13] | Beirdo: | hmmm, the problem isn't the internal structure but rather what goes across the bus |
| [21:38:59] | Beirdo: | I thought about it, but I can't think of any better format to transfer in than the YUV420P that MPEG decodes to anyways |
| [21:39:37] | janneg: | no, if it's just the data transfer load and unlaod should take roughly the same time |
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| [21:39:54] | Beirdo: | not necessarily |
| [21:40:09] | Beirdo: | on AGP (for instance) CPU->GPU is much faster than GPU->CPU |
| [21:40:42] | Beirdo: | as CPU->GPU is accelerated on the bus, but GPU->CPU is totally unoptimized, and is essentially PCI |
| [21:41:33] | Beirdo: | and PCIe, if not properly supported in the kernel may be about the same |
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| [21:42:13] | Beirdo: | for that one, I can only guess as my only PCIe system runs Windoze and has an ATI card |
| [21:43:55] | janneg: | and I misread the the perforemance chart. Download is also with PCIe faster depending on the format |
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| [21:44:23] | Beirdo: | it should be |
| [21:44:37] | Beirdo: | but if the kernel drivers don't set it up properly yet, who knows? |
| [21:45:17] | kormoc: | Beirdo, my pci-e nvidia works like a dream under linux |
| [21:45:35] | kormoc: | Beirdo, if you want to toss some tests my way, I'd be glad to run them and give you the results |
| [21:45:38] | Beirdo: | kormoc: how fast does it transfer data from the GPU->CPU? |
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| [21:46:30] | kormoc: | Beirdo, donno off hard |
| [21:46:31] | Beirdo: | well, if you checkout gputrans, configure it for the one card, and then comment out parts of the code, we can find out fairly quickly |
| [21:46:41] | Beirdo: | which is what janneg's doing with his setup |
| [21:47:06] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [21:47:22] | kormoc: | I'll do so when I get home... sadly, comcast is blocking all incomming traffic from me :/ |
| [21:49:14] | Beirdo: | stupid ISP |
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| [21:50:18] | Beirdo: | trying to get cacti to graph the signal strength from the cable modem :) |
| [21:51:36] | kormoc: | heh, I do hope comcast stops filtering soon, it's annyoing |
| [21:51:51] | Beirdo: | I wish I HAD comcast |
| [21:52:06] | Beirdo: | at least you don't have the f'ed up provider I do |
| [21:52:07] | Beirdo: | hhe |
| [21:52:51] | kormoc: | hehe, I donno, this is pretty bad... a few days of downtime a month so far |
| [21:53:07] | Beirdo: | OK, I think we are on the same page then |
| [21:53:25] | Beirdo: | I had downtime for half of yesterday, about 2h today |
| [21:53:35] | Beirdo: | and they drop sync all the time |
| [21:53:52] | kormoc: | Last month, I think I had downtime for about 4 days, in 12 to 24 hour chunks at a time |
| [21:54:00] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [21:54:16] | Beirdo: | call them up and tell them you are switching to DSL if they don't fix their shit pronto |
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| [21:54:42] | kormoc: | Can't. They are the only inet provider in the area |
| [21:54:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:54:48] | Beirdo: | same here |
| [21:54:52] | Beirdo: | sucks to be us |
| [21:55:01] | kormoc: | Speakeasy will sell me a t1 if I want... but it's a bit out of my price range |
| [21:55:05] | Beirdo: | PRTC doesn't do DSL in this neighborhood yet |
| [21:55:35] | Beirdo: | if it weren't for the 500ms latency, I MIGHT consider direcpc |
| [21:55:44] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [21:55:52] | kormoc: | well, I only have 4 more months at this place |
| [21:55:58] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:56:11] | Beirdo: | well, so far, that's the only thing I don't like about our house |
| [21:56:21] | kormoc: | My roommates are having a baby... and I'm not gonna stay in the same place as a kid that's not mine :P |
| [21:56:40] | Beirdo: | you sure it's not? (heheh) |
| [21:56:45] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [21:56:47] | Beirdo: | oh, that was bad. |
| [21:56:47] | kormoc: | postive :P |
| [21:56:51] | Beirdo: | whew |
| [21:58:53] | ivor_: | hmm. I'm unpopular. myth has decided to stop recording eastenders. |
| [21:59:04] | ivor_: | clever little box. |
| [21:59:07] | Beirdo: | a blessing in disguise |
| [21:59:30] | Beirdo: | but I bet the other half doesn't think so |
| [21:59:41] | ivor_: | for some reason it's showing all the upcoming recordings as "currently recording" |
| [21:59:48] | Beirdo: | ?? |
| [21:59:54] | Beirdo: | how funky |
| [21:59:59] | ivor_: | indeedey. |
| [22:00:30] | ivor_: | wonder if flushing out the recorded programs table will fix it. |
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| [22:00:49] | Beirdo: | it might, but I'd suggest backing up first :) |
| [22:00:58] | ** ivor_ shrugs. it's only tv. ** | |
| [22:01:00] | ivor_: | :) |
| [22:01:11] | Beirdo: | It's only your skin... |
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| [22:06:02] | ** Beirdo curses ** | |
| [22:06:26] | Beirdo: | fell asleep and my hand hit the mouse button... with the mouse pointer over the X |
| [22:06:29] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:06:32] | Beirdo: | I suck |
| [22:06:33] | ivor_: | hey hey! whoosh that's fixed uit. |
| [22:06:42] | ivor_: | er, it. |
| [22:06:59] | ivor_: | how irritating. |
| [22:07:20] | ivor_: | I guess it just got bored and deduced the new episodes were the same old shit. |
| [22:07:25] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:07:39] | Beirdo: | mythtv is smarter than the average human then |
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| [23:56:01] | Z_Morek: | quick question: what's the best place to put my mythtv svn directory? |
| [23:57:48] | word: | not sure i guess it's just up to personal preference |
| [23:58:14] | scopeuk: | first place that comes to mind |
| [23:58:22] | scopeuk: | that way youll know where it is when you come to fidn it later |
| [23:58:48] | Z_Morek: | sounds good |
| [23:59:11] | gardengnome: | /boobies/ then, huh? ;) |
| [23:59:27] | scopeuk: | well you know *blush* |
| [23:59:31] | gardengnome: | heh |
| [23:59:41] | word: | i know a comp you're running a backend off of doesn't have to be too good with a happauge but what about a backend/frontend? |
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