Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, August 11th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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word:

no idea

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Ediehow:

how do i make myth output to two alsa cards?

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wireddd:

ok, ivtv is working, now I just need to get mythtv to work

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spishax:

ok Im a little confused, the channel icons are on my backend server, is this correct?

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kormoc:

no

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kormoc:

each frontend needs them locally

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spishax:

aaah

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bRuZdEGO:

prologic, the new ones are bad

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bRuZdEGO:

I have a new one, it has a new chip on it

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bRuZdEGO:

and chris pascoe is doing a csv branch alternate for it

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bRuZdEGO:

I cna not use mine at the moment thou, but i think mine is Dead on Arrival

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bRuZdEGO:

so to get it too work complete this

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bRuZdEGO:

http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/How_to_build_from_CVS

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bRuZdEGO:

BUT use this http://linuxtv.org/hg/~pascoe/v4l-dvb-test/ driver. :)

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bRuZdEGO:

and it "should" work now. :)

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Ryushin:

Hmmm... I've having a weird issue now with the mythfrontend. Some of the writing and pictures in my theme is reversed in color. This is after upgrading to x.org 7, the latest nvidia driver, and the 2.6.17.8 kernel.

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bocaJ:

I have a barebones shuttle PC I am turning into a PVR. Unfortunatly, it 1 PCI slot. I am considering using an ATI all-in-wonder, and a pcHDTV-5500 so that I can watch TV and record at the same time. I read the wiki article on ATI cards ( http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_All-in-W . . . To_(English) ) and I was unclear what cards are supported and if paralell recording/watching was possible. thoughts?

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rlbond1:

hey guys, my mythtv box is working nicely. the problem is, some channels in the 60–65 range are not working, they just appear like grey, interference-ridden versions of other channelas

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Ryushin:

This is through DVI. KDE looks fine, and it looks fine through x11vnc.

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rlbond1:

does anyone else have this problem?

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Ryushin:

bocaJ: The all in wonder cards are not supported.

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Ryushin:

rlbond1: What card?

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rlbond1:

pvr-500

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Ryushin:

I saw this problem with older drivers. What driver are you using?

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rlbond1:

i don't know, actually

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rlbond1:

whatever came with knoppmyth

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Ryushin:

Oh. Well, you will probably need the latest ivtv driver for your kernel.

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rlbond1:

oh it's an ivtv thing?

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Ryushin:

That's actually one reason why I use source.

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rlbond1:

yea well, my linux knowledge is microscopic, haha

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Ryushin:

Most likely. Actually, it's a hauppauge thing and them changing their tuners on almost a monthly basis.

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rlbond1:

haha

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rlbond1:

ok so you think updating to the latest ivtv drivers for my kernel should fix it?

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bocaJ:

does anyone have experience with the pcHDTV-5500 cards? looking over the forums there seem to be a number of horror stories.

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Ryushin:

I would suggest joining the knoppmyth forum, and posting your question there, They will probably give you an idea on how to correctly, knoppmyth style, update your ivtv driver.

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spishax:

when running mythfrontend as a non-root user, my remote doesnt work, but /dev/lircd and /dev/lirc/0 are all mode 666, is there something im missing?

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Ryushin:

bocaJ: I have the HD3000 card, which is pretty much the same thing.

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spishax:

running mode2 as a non-root user and hitting buttons on the remote shows hex codes as well

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wireddd:

ok, I finnally got ivtv working, and I can cat video0 to a file and that works, but when I goto watch live tv in myth, it just flashes the screen black for a second and then goes back to the main menu, here is the output from various things... http://pastebin.ca/125865

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Ryushin:

bojaJ: Actually, the HD3000, and the 5500 card should be no problem to install now.

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Ryushin:

The kernels 2.6.16 on up, have full support for it.

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spishax:

durrrr, no lircrc file for the user in question :)

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Ryushin:

bocaJ: You're real issue is going to having enough horsepower to play HD.

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wireddd:

Ryushin, do you think you could look at what I posted to the pastebin and give me a little guidance

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Ryushin:

Nevermind about my problem. Downgrading my nvidia driver fixed my issue.

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Ryushin:

wireddd: k.

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wireddd:

I am thinking I should just wipe the mysql db and start over

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Ryushin:

Have you set up your setup correctly? I would double check that.

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wireddd:

i've been through it several times

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Ryushin:

It could not find tuner 1. Check mythtv-setup.

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wireddd:

I am pretty sure it is setup correctly

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bocaJ:

Ryushin: what would you recomend as the minimum for HD recording/playback?

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Ryushin:

Which proc?

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Ryushin:

Which Video card?

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bocaJ:

Athlon64, this is being given to me so I'm not sure exactly which. I have not bought a video card yet

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Ryushin:

Well, if you can cat video0 and have it display a channel, then it's probably a setup issue.

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Ryushin:

bocaJ: A Athlon64 should be fine. I would recommend a DVI nvidia FX5200 card. Though, that only leaves you one slot.

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bocaJ:

??

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bocaJ:

I only have one slot...

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Ryushin:

Do you have a AGP or PCI-E slot as well as the PCI.

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bocaJ:

AGP

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Ryushin:

bocaJ: Do you have a HDTV with a DVI or HDMI in?

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bocaJ:

no

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bocaJ:

I don't have an HDTV, I just plan to watch on my computer

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Ryushin:

K. Well, you should get a DVI/VGA nVidia FX5200 video card. It should only be about $35.00 US.

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Ryushin:

You will probably have to explore a USB NTSC tuner for normal cable, and then plug in the pcHDTV card in your PCI slot.

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Ryushin:

I would do some research to find out which USB tuner works well in myth.

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bocaJ:

do you have a recomendation?

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bocaJ:

does the pcHDTV not pick up NTSC?

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Ryushin:

There are a lot of drivers in the kernel for USB tuners, so doing some googling should give you some results.

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Ryushin:

Anyway, I'm off to get something to eat.

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Ryushin:

Bye all.

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bocaJ:

bye, thanks for the help

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wireddd:

so can you actually watch live tv via the mythtv xbmc plugin?

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Aid`:

hi

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AngryElf:

lemme just say that NFL + mythTV = awesome

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Ediehow:

how do i make myth play through 2 alsa sound cards?

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Aid`:

AngryElf: why's that?

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AngryElf:

skipping commercials

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AngryElf:

crappy commentary between plays

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Aid`:

oh lol

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Aid`:

ya it goes straight through the plays

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AngryElf:

the colts have some crazy new system to snap that ball without saying anything

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AngryElf:

they're completely silent, then the play starts — no audibles at all

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Aid`:

hmm weird

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Ediehow:

how do i make myth play through 2 alsa sound cards?

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Ediehow:

does anyone know?

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bmk789:

both at once?

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Ediehow:

yes

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AngryElf:

that's an #alsa question

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Ediehow:

nah, im asking about from the frontend prefs

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AngryElf:

i dont think you can

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Ediehow:

oh ok

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AngryElf:

although

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AngryElf:

it's trivial to edit your alsa config file to pipe the sound out of two devices

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AngryElf:

so, like i said, ask in #alsa or check our their faqs

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Ediehow:

k

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Ediehow:

i just didn't know if there was something in m-frontend that also did it

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AngryElf:

nope

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** jepeltw looks for mythfrontend 0.19.1 for Mac **

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jepeltw:

daniel_bergamini!

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jepeltw:

hello all, I'm trying to diagnose slow operation in the Program Guide. Moving the cursor typically takes about 2 seconds. The frontend is a Mac mini, OS 10.4.7/PPC. The backend is a K6–2 380 mhz. The backend is not greatly taxed while moving though the guide or playing live TV

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bmk789:

wired ethernet?

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jepeltw:

bmk789, yes, 100 mbps

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jepeltw:

bmk789, I just checked Activity Monitor on the frontend and CPU is jumping to 100% when I move around

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bmk789:

id say its either your database or frontend

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bmk789:

so its the frontend

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jepeltw:

bmk789, I changed Guide settings to the one with low CPU usage and it's improved a bit

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bmk789:

how did you install?

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jepeltw:

I also quit iTunes

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bmk789:

from source?

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jepeltw:

bmk789, ubuntu packages on the backend according to dapper howto and PPC dmg files on the front again according to howto

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jepeltw:

I'm now trying mythfrontend 0.19-fixes-20060407

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bmk789:

if i were you id build that latest stable version from scratch, might help a bit

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bmk789:

from source*

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bmk789:

whered i get scratch

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bmk789:

its too late for this, im tired

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jepeltw:

bmk789, this new frontend version already feels snappier

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bmk789:

so its all better now?

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jepeltw:

the Guide started out slow

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jepeltw:

it's a bit better, but CPU still keeps hitting 100%

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kacheng:

hello?

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bocaJ:

hello

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kacheng:

I'm having a problem with my mythconverg database.

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kacheng:

It seems to be out of sync with what's actually recorded.

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kacheng:

I get Auto

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kacheng:

AutoExpire errors

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kacheng:

and file not found (both mpg and png) errors

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kacheng:

is there any way to rebuild the database?

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kacheng:

or delete the stray records?

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kacheng:

i'm also new to irc. I thought there would be tons of traffic. am I doing something incorrectly? I can't see any traffic except for bocaJ

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opello:

nah, just not people typing

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opello:

if you need a question answered, stick around until someone has some time to answer it :)

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kacheng:

cool thanks

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fury:

do the Hauppauge PVR series (150, specifically) record sound off the card, or will i need to pull that off a sound card?

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jepeltw:

fury, off the card, no sound card or btaudio needed

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jepeltw:

fury, I have a 150, if you've got any questions

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word:

i don't get any sound still :(

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word:

jepeltw: ever heard of anyone having problems with sound with a 150?

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word:

so..any ideas what could cause no audio from mythtv live tv or the videos it creates with a pvr-150?

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fury:

jepeltw: hey, thanks a ton. mine's in the mail :)

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gnuyen:

hi guys

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gnuyen:

i'm trying to install mythweb 0.19

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gnuyen:

and i can't figure out where to enter my database information

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gnuyen:

conf.php doesn't have a section for that

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kormoc:

edit the .htacess file, like the readme says to

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gnuyen:

you put the database stuff in the .htaccess file?

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gnuyen:

crazy

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gnuyen:

thanks

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gnuyen:

i upgraded to 0.19 with packages

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gnuyen:

do i have to upgrade the database somehow?

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gnuyen:

is there an upgrade script? or is the backend smart enough to do that on it's own

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kormoc:

the backend deals with that

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fury:

so the whole point in building my pvr is to location-shift (i'm moving to europe for 10 months and want to keep my tv). my upload is only 768, does anyone have any good reccomendations for what codecs to use to get a nice stream at that speed?

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fury:

will mpeg1 cut it, or can i do better?

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kormoc:

you'll have to try and see

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kormoc:

given, what's good for me, won't be good to a lot of people

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jepeltw:

fury, the PVR-150 puts out MPEG2. At the default quality, an 11 Mbps 802.11b connection is *not* fast enough to play smoothly with default cache settings

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jepeltw:

you'll need to reduce the quality and perhaps increase the cache, if that is possible. I use NFS, but I've heard there's an internal myth protocol

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fury:

jepeltw: well, i'm going to have to transcode from mpeg2 after the fact, that's for sure.

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kormoc:

fury, just a fyi, mpeg2 is gonna be larger then mpeg2

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fury:

you mean larger than mpeg1

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kormoc:

erm

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kormoc:

no

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kormoc:

I mean mpeg1 is gonna be larger then mpeg2

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kormoc:

sorry

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jepeltw:

and mpeg4 the smallest of them all?

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kormoc:

tends to be

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kormoc:

at around the same quality image

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fury:

i got the pvr-150 because i plan on using it as a standalone box when i get back, nice to let the card to the work. but for the europe move, i need tiny

[04:42:15]

kormoc:

although, at 768kbps, you're gonna be dealing with video the quality of google video for example

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fury:

i can deal with that

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kormoc:

tho, unless it's a powerful box, don't really expect realtime encoding

[04:43:06]

jepeltw:

how powerful would one need for realtime encoding?

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fury:

for "good" shows i don't mind waiting on the transfer, but for everyday stuff, google video quality would be more than adaquate

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kormoc:

with xris' and my testing, FLV video needed a 2.4 ghz or so to do real-time encoding

[04:44:19]

kormoc:

with divx/mpeg4/xvid, my 2.8 ghz 64 bit dual core proc is still 2x real time

[04:44:31]

jepeltw:

ouch

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kormoc:

perhaps the conroe's can do realtime, but I haven't tested one to be sure

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fury:

ouch indeed

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kormoc:

I'd still be thinking that the conroe would peak out at about 1.5x to 1.7x

[04:45:02]

fury:

realtime isn't too bad, since i'll be watching things like 9+ hours after they're recorded

[04:45:10]

fury:

but i only have a 2ghz box available

[04:45:52]

kormoc:

Well, if you're just exporting all the time, you should be able to have more then you can transfer

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gnuyen:

okay my apache with this .htaccess file

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gnuyen:

won't let me access the directory

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gnuyen:

says there's a misconfiguration

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kormoc:

gnuyen, ooh?

[04:46:36]

gnuyen:

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

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kormoc:

might want to check the logs then

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gnuyen:

if i dont' have modrewrite

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gnuyen:

can i just delete the last few lines?

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gnuyen:

the Rewrite rules?

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kormoc:

not really

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gnuyen:

or is it required for mythweb

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kormoc:

given, it's sorta required

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kormoc:

yeah

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gnuyen:

guess i'm building mod_rewrite then

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word:

so..any ideas what could cause no audio from mythtv live tv or the videos it creates with a pvr-150?

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Anduin:

word: The video looks ok otherwise?

[05:28:01]

Anduin:

word: and this is from coax?

[05:28:26]

word:

yes and yes

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word:

Anduin: ^

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Anduin:

word: Video is ok on more than just one channel?

[05:29:52]

word:

Anduin: video is ok on all channels and no sound on any channel

[05:30:10]

word:

i've opened up a video file it's created with mplayer and there's no sound there either

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evilDagmar:

cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/audio

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kormoc:

and if you play it on another computer?

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evilDagmar:

You should hear something awful if sound is working at all

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word:

i've used amarok to play some music i have so..

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kormoc:

evilDagmar, he said earlier today that his media players play sounds just fine

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word:

from another computer..lets see

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Anduin:

word: Nothing in dmesg about the audio firmware?

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word:

Anduin: went to try to play it on my dad's computer but hes on windows and he did something screwy so now .mpg files won't play..anyway i looked through and i found this in dmesg – cx25840 0–0044: unable to open firmware v4l-cx25840.fw

[05:39:13]

word:

didn't notice it before..

[05:40:01]

word:

that's between start ivtv and end ivtv

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Anduin:

word: Yeah, fix it.

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word:

err..any hints on how?

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Anduin:

word: Put the file in the right place: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware

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word:

word@word-desktop:/usr/lib/hotplug/firmware$ ls v4l* v4l-cx2341x-dec.fw v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw v4l-cx2341x-init.mpg v4l-cx25840.fw

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word:

Anduin: that's where it's says it's supposed to go..

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DrMitch:

so, in my videos, i have a show selected and the icon shows the "Dollar Sign with an X through it" (meaning the comercials have been flagged) but when I play the video, i can't skip skip comercial breaks...it says "Not flagged". This happens on ALL videos. any clues?

[05:43:39]

Anduin:

word: distro?

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word:

kubuntu

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word:

on a distro-specific one it said to put them somewhere else..but that tutorial got me nowhere fast

[05:44:21]

word:

REALLY fast

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Anduin:

word: Yeah, I don't kubuntu, assuming that is the only location for the other files that load it should be right.

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evilDagmar:

You mean /lib/firmware

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evilDagmar:

...which is the *right* place to put firmware files.

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word:

yes /lib/firmware/ i just did cp *.* to there so i guess that might fix it ? o.O

[05:45:51]

Anduin:

is kubuntu new enough?

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evilDagmar:

Nothing related to driving hardware should be stored under /usr

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word:

yes 2 years old i think

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word:

last major release was in june i'm pretty sure..they do every 6 months

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kormoc:

2 years is a bit old

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kormoc:

esp for a driver that changes monthly to support newer hardware

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word:

so i have to restart for these changes right?

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Anduin:

word: For it to get as far as it is, some firmware files are loading, find the right dir, stick them there, delete the wrong ones.

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Anduin:

word: Just reload ivtv

[05:48:27]

word:

modprobe ivtv?

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word:

i really don't know..

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Anduin:

word: rmmod ivtv; then yes

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word:

oh goodie i was close lol..

[05:51:12]

word:

yay for sound!

[05:51:32]

word:

now to get this remote to work.......

[05:54:40]

word:

thanks Anduin and evilDagmar :D

[05:56:06]

DrMitch:

Media Library shows that all my videos have undergone Commercial Detection (The no "$" icon is displayed) but when I play the video and try to skip to end of commercial, it says "Not Flagged"... Anyone know what's up?

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word:

i'm using the happauge pvr-150 mce remote /reciever.. i found a config for lirc for it..but i ran the install thing..and it never gets anything from the remote...it doesn't even really see the device

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word:

when i do su then mode2 like it says on their docs it says no such device or location /dev/lirc

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evilDagmar:

It helps when you read the lirc docs

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word:

i came here after reading them I couldn't find anything in there troubleshooting docs about this either

[06:13:19]

evilDagmar:

You need to read the vowels, not just the consonants

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word:

er?

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evilDagmar:

I am not fooled by claims like you're making.

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evilDagmar:

If you'd really read the docs, and I mean all the docs, you wouldn't be having this particular problem.

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word:

evilDagmar: i've skimmed 3 times and read twice...missreading is possible you shouldn't expect the worst in people

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medwards:

alrighty.. time to try out this mythstreamtv action.

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word:

I used irrecord to create a config file..but whenever anything uses it it says it's a bad file type etc.

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k-man_:

whats a good remote controll for mythtv?

[08:24:44]

k-man_:

i have one that came with my capture cards but it doesn't have enough buttons

[08:24:50]

k-man_:

can anyone recommend anything?

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word:

what card did it come with?

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k-man_:

um.... dvb-t 770 or something

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k-man_:

i forget

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k-man_:

the remote is good in that it works well

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k-man_:

it just doesn't have enough buttons

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k-man_:

oh, and its not backlit

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word:

mine isn't either..just noticed that..

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word:

i think pretty much any remote you can get to work with lirc..

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k-man_:

what do you have?

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k-man_:

yeah

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k-man_:

pretty much

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word:

the mce remote that came with the pvr-150

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k-man_:

if you have an ir receiver that is

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k-man_:

oh, is it any good?

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word:

yah lots o buttons..just gotta see if i can take it apart without breaking it to take the windows logo off the big button in the middle lol..

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word:

it's just a thin peice of cardboard inside of a clear button

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k-man_:

lovely

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k-man_:

why do they do that? *sigh*

[08:33:02]

word:

it's a winxp media center kit type thing i bought

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k-man_:

ooh.. when did a 0.21 tree get made?

[08:34:06]

k-man_:

it looks as though they are getting ready for .20 to be released

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word:

really?

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k-man_:

well... i never noticed a 0.21 tree before in svn (but i never really looked before)

[08:36:43]

k-man_:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap?show=all

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word:

ah so it's close

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k-man_:

i guess

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k-man_:

i have been hearing rumours that its close

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k-man_:

i hope they include an onscreen clock in this version

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word:

hm

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Juski:

iiiit's Friday!

[08:50:15]

word:

for 2 hours now :P

[08:51:10]

Merlin83b:

Yet you're still called Juski.

[08:52:01]

Juski:

yeah well.. I feel less frivolous in the morning ;-)

[08:52:27]

Merlin83b:

:-)

[08:53:46]

Juski:

I buggerred up livetv last night by updating my channel numbers. turned out that the last channel tuned to no longer existed.. easy to fix but it got me thinking why we have to set a 'starting channel' if it's only ever used once

[08:55:15]

Merlin83b:

Good question.

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Juski:

and while I'd messed up the pvr150 source's channels, my freeview lineup remained the same, so I think myth should've tried to switch cards. maybe svn would do that – not something I can test with just one tuner in my svn machine

[08:56:15]

Merlin83b:

Bit of an edge case.

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Juski:

maybe an onscreen error message would help.. "you idiot! the channel I tried to tune to just then doesn't exist!"

[08:57:58]

Juski:

bit of an edge case, but I can think of times it could happen when the user hasn't done anything wrong

[08:58:41]

Juski:

or am I getting 'not existing' confused with 'no longer on air' ? hmmm

[08:59:11]

Merlin83b:

Not that I'm saying edge cases shouldn't be catered for :-)

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Juski:

like segfaults when theme elements are missing. I've seen that before

[09:03:04]

k-man_:

how do i set up commercial flagging?

[09:03:10]

Juski:

almost panicked last night (no not cos of the 'terror' alert) because I saw 'C' in red circles on my programme guide.

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k-man_:

there doesn't seem to be much about it on the wiki

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Juski:

k-man – look in the wiki

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k-man_:

there is only a little entry on it

[09:04:18]

k-man_:

and there is an entry and cutting out commercials

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Juski:

oh hell – you're right

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k-man_:

but not one on just plain flagging

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k-man_:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Commercial_Flagging

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k-man_:

and it doesn't really tell you how to do it

[09:05:08]

Merlin83b:

Today's task for wiki week, Juski? :-)

[09:05:26]

Juski:

basically you configure myth to use a detection method, and it'll try (when commflagging runs) to find commercial breaks based on the rules you've told it to use

[09:05:33]

Juski:

Merlin83b: yup

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k-man_:

so where do i set the detection method?

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Juski:

good question. i can't remember

[09:06:21]

Juski:

I think under Tv 'general' settings in mythfrontend's setup menus

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evilDagmar:

"Somewhere" in the setup menus in the frontend

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k-man_:

its a front end setting?

[09:07:07]

k-man_:

interesting

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Juski:

bear in mind that some of the methods you can choose will only work on shows being recorded at the time – i.e. you can't change the rules & re-run commflagging & see a change

[09:07:23]

Juski:

k-man_: no – you change the setting from the frontend

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k-man_:

oh

[09:07:34]

k-man_:

ok

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k-man_:

and then you have to run commflagging?

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Juski:

k-man_: where in the world are you?

[09:07:53]

k-man_:

is that a command line job?

[09:07:54]

k-man_:

sydney

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k-man_:

australia

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Juski:

YMMV with commflagging

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evilDagmar:

By default commflagging takes place on completed recordings.

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k-man_:

yeah

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k-man_:

i thought so, but i want to give it a go

[09:08:19]

k-man_:

see how it goes

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k-man_:

the stations here love to put the icons/watermark thing in the picture

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k-man_:

and i believe it has a method that detects that?

[09:08:55]

Juski:

yeah and it runs under the restrictions set on job control rules – i.e. between the times you set and according to the CPU load you allot it

[09:09:19]

Juski:

yeah I find logo detection, in conjunction with blank frame detection/scene change – works very well

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k-man_:

ok

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k-man_:

cool

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Juski:

so long as the logos are removed for ad-breaks I mean

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k-man_:

they are i believe

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Juski:

some UK channels don't take the logos down for adverts :-/

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k-man_:

oh

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k-man_:

are you in the uk?

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Juski:

I used to hate all logos... since I started commflagging I actually like them sometimes

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k-man_:

hehe

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k-man_:

i wonder how long they will keep them static if people use them for commercial detection

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Juski:

I still hate the massive crawlers & animated 'coming up next' shite they use though

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k-man_:

oh god, yeah i totaly hate that

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k-man_:

its so distracting

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k-man_:

they do it here quite a lot

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Juski:

I have digital TV – to find out what's next I press a button, so WHY tell me anyway?

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Merlin83b:

Advertising, Juski :-)

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k-man_:

yeah

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Juski:

even BBC channels do it... the bastards

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Merlin83b:

If you hadn't looked, they might make you watch something you weren't otherwise going to watch.

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evilDagmar:

Because you might have been thinking about doing something else

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Merlin83b:

Note that I'm useing 'you' in the group sense :-)

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Merlin83b:

useing? Ew.

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evilDagmar:

You might have been thinking about neglecting your duties as a consumer

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Juski:

I find the idea insulting.. as if I just passively sit there for hours on end

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evilDagmar:

They have to do everything in their power to make you aware of the next program, in case you actually do want to watch it, because if you didn't, they might lose advertising dollars and then little Timmy couldn't get his new BMW

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k-man_:

Juski, just download the programs you want to watch instead

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k-man_:

;)

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evilDagmar:

Poor little Timmy, having to drive last year's model.

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evilDagmar:

Think of Timmy!

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Juski:

TIMMMAHHH!

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bocaJ:

in researching tv tuners, video4linux keeps coming up. They seem important, but what does it actually mean in terms of mythTV functionality if v4l is supporting a tuner?

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evilDagmar:

v4l is the kernel interface.

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evilDagmar:

If it doesn't go through that, you don' get no TV.

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evilDagmar:

Very simple.

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k-man_:

is it for playing or capturing?

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Juski:

k-man_: generally just capturing

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k-man_:

ok

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Juski:

I'd honestly say forget about software encoders (basic v4l crap) & go for DVB, HDTV or Hauppauge PVR cards instead

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k-man_:

oh

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k-man_:

yeah

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k-man_:

i concur

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k-man_:

i have 3 dvb cards

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k-man_:

its great

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evilDagmar:

software encoding is teh suck

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bocaJ:

does anyone have experience with USB tuners? At the moment I am looking at a WinPVR2 usb TV tuner. thoughts?

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Juski:

quick q about 'quit and shutdown' on a system which also runs the backend – is it possible to make it happen without hacking the source?

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evilDagmar:

Juski: You can just put the shutdown command in the script after mythfrontend, so when the frontend exits, the machine just reboots.

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Juski:

evilDagmar: ta – already figured that out though

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Juski:

g'day stuarta

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stuarta:

gday.

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stuarta:

much happening?

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Juski:

nope

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stuarta:

same

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stuarta:

though trying to come up with a regexp that'll break up 24: 8:00am to 9:00am: desc... properly

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stuarta:

and not butcher other EIT data...

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Juski:

heh. they actually give the show timings in text form? eek

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Juski:

does tv_grab_dvb behave the same way?

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Merlin83b:

stuarta: Also see Smallville for more of the same problem.

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Merlin83b:

Juski: Nope, that'll be the episode title :-)

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Merlin83b:

(.*):(.*):(.*)

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Merlin83b:

:-)

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Juski:

aye

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Juski:

got hung up on the time thing ;)

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Juski:

more wiki bashing coming up in a sec...

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Merlin83b:

Juski: King of documentation.

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** Merlin83b goes to get lunch **

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Juski:

'king documentation, more like

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ille:

stuarta: maybe split first on "to" to get two parts and then do each part seperatly?

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ille:

no that will not work since to may be in description/title

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Juski:

I thought there were different 'fields' for the EPG data

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Juski:

seems I was wrong in that assumption ;)

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stuarta:

Juski: RT grabber has it all done nicely for you

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stuarta:

EIT data comes as title, description and you have to mangle it.

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: I'd expect that to catch some of the other shows that have ':' in the descriptions...

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Juski:

hrm. I once talked to someone who worked on STB code.. I wonder who they were & where they are now

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Juski:

they don't by any chance use illegal chars the EIT parser is stripping out, as delimiters do they?

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stuarta:

nope. we don't strip anything in the parser, only in the fixups where we ditch stupid things like "T4:"

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

I wonder if the DVB EIT spec offers any hints into how to split it up

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stuarta:

spec! hah! They can't even get their epg monkeys to be consistent

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Juski:

oh

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stuarta:

you have to remember the target is a STB where there is only title, description...

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Juski:

that'll be me being naieve about 'standards' again then

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** stuarta looks for the tea making standard **

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Juski:

I'll STFU & get back to my wiki bashing I think

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janneg:

Merlin83b: that regexp matches over 1800 entries in my program table

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stuarta:

I'm trying to work out what the hinet.net spammers are trying to do to my mail server

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lebiathan:

anybody home?

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Juski:

nah

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janneg:

no, I'am working

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Juski:

I'm nose deep in the wiki

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stuarta:

I'm inflicting damage upon dns & mail systems....

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** stuarta goes to lunch... **

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Juski:

anyway – fire away lebiathan – nobody has to bow or scrape & ask permission here

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lebiathan:

ok...

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ille:

anyone got this working with SVN http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/217254

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lebiathan:

basic question: mythTV is for iTV or for digiTV technologies?

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Juski:

huh?

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Juski:

MythTV is a PVR application

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ille:

i guess didiTV you men DVB-T/S/C and HDTV then it supports all

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Juski:

ille: no idea about the RSS feed stuff

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lebiathan:

as digiTV i mean digital TV technologies... instead of an analog broadcast u get a digital signal

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lebiathan:

iTV is interactive TV

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Juski:

lebiathan: yes mythtv works with digital tv

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lebiathan:

ok, so far so good :)

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Juski:

and no mythtv doesn't do interactive TV – though MHEG support is coming to mytthv in 0.20

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lebiathan:

aha!

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Juski:

MHEG – and as far as I know it's only been proven to work in the UK

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lebiathan:

ok..

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lebiathan:

do u know if mythtv works on any country?

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Juski:

if that is what you meant by 'interactive' then yes it'll do it (the stuff that comes over the air)

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Juski:

there are mythtv users all over the world. the only place I've not heard from mythtv users is China

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ille:

I wounder what kind of TV standard they have there

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lebiathan:

so, basically to run mythtv u only need the necessary equipment and a linux/macos platform, right?

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Juski:

if there is a blocker to mythtv working in any country it'd be whether or not TV guide data is readily available

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Juski:

there's no macos mythbackend yet

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Juski:

so you need at least one linux box

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lebiathan:

oh... that's what i read in the mythtv-HOWTO..

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lebiathan:

well, basically, given the fact that macOS runs linux nowadays, it could probably run mythtv, right?

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lebiathan:

(linux kernel i mean)

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Beirdo:

it doesn't

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Beirdo:

it runs a BSD kernel

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lebiathan:

aha..ok

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lebiathan:

so, mythtv is an application suite, am i right?

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Juski:

good ole blue screen of death ;)

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Juski:

yeah mythtv is just software

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lebiathan:

do you know if it is layered or something?

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lebiathan:

i mean its architecture..

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Juski:

myth has a client/server architecture

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janneg:

it has different applications for different taks

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lebiathan:

with client/server, u mean the frontend/backend that i read on the howto?

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janneg:

yes

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lebiathan:

that you can store the program on a machine, and ask for it whenever you want?

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lebiathan:

(program = tv program)

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lebiathan:

but you can actually see a tv program, without having to store it, right?

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lebiathan:

or do you always need to store it before seeing it?

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ille:

yes you can watch live tv like a normal TV

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Beirdo:

but it still is storing it

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Beirdo:

it always records to disk and plays back

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ille:

exactly so you can pause and revind

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Juski:

wiki.mythtv.org

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Juski:

have a good read

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lebiathan:

stupid question (prepare yourselves :p): it doesn't support fast forward, right?

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Beirdo:

it does on recordings, not "live" tv (obviously)

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ille:

if you have paused a live TV you can forward it. but it cant record the future...

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Beirdo:

yeah :)

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Dagmar:

If it does, you keep your mouth shut about it.

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ille:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Go straight to the dog track.

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lebiathan:

lol

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lebiathan:

hmm..two questions: what is mythtv written on (programming/scripting) languages, and does it support streaming?

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Beirdo:

I was thinking go straight to the local lottery ticket vendor

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Dagmar:

C++

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Beirdo:

C++ with Qt

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Dagmar:

C++ with extra screwy

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Beirdo:

heh, that's what I said :)

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lebiathan:

and about the 2nd question...?

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Dagmar:

"Maybe"

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Dagmar:

I think MythWeb does it, but I don't know how it goes about doing that

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Dagmar:

It could be spawning mplayer to do it for all I know

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Juski:

hokay... we now have http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Commflagging

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ille:

lebiathan : MythWeb has an unofficial plugin to stream recordings with VLC.

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lebiathan:

mythstreamtv, i found it..

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lebiathan:

i suppose you're talkning about that..

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ille:

lebiathan : yes, kind of cool , used it during olympics to stream to 11 PC's at office.

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lebiathan:

wow...nice one!

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ille:

lebiathan : if you install KnoppMyth it's installed by default.

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Beirdo:

spreading slacking to the masses :)

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lebiathan:

i first need to buy a tv tuner card in order to use it anyway :p

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ille:

Beirdo : yepp, more time over to make other cool things with the box

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ille:

lebiathan : depends where you live and what kind of provider you have.

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lebiathan:

so..if i install mythtv, both backend and frontend are installed right?

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lebiathan:

i live in greece..

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Juski:

one thing about mythstreamtv is that I think it only works with mpeg2 recordings from dvb & pvr cards – i.e. software encoding crap isn't supported AFAIK

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Beirdo:

sounds reasonable as I doubt vlc supports mythtv .nuv files

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ille:

lebiathan : I dont know if greece have an TV guide grabber/provider http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XmlTv

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lebiathan:

hardly....greece only recently got digital tv :/

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stuarta:

oooo a guinea pig.....

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ille:

lebiathan : well, the grabber can also be used with analog tv

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ille:

lebiathan : if you go digital, i guess there is EPG/EIT data avaiable that way.

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stuarta:

ille: if he's lucky....

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ille:

stuarta : of course :(

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ille:

lebiathan : do you use DVB-T in greece?

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lebiathan:

nope

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ille:

lebiathan : DVB-S or DVB-C ?

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** stuarta guesses S **

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ille:

stuarta : actually they do since other countries transmit over europe

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stuarta:

i know :)

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ille:

hehe

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lebiathan:

hmm...it seems we have dvb-t after all.. *-)

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stuarta:

http://www.dvb.org/about_dvb/dvb_worldwide/greece/

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ille:

a good one :)

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stuarta:

try some countries you didn't even know have tv :)

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ille:

Albania...

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lebiathan:

well, there is only one provider of digital tv in greece

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Beirdo:

WTF is DVB-H?

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stuarta:

mobiles

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Merlin83b:

Mobile phones, I believe

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stuarta:

H=handheld

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Beirdo:

ahhhh

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Beirdo:

handheld

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Beirdo:

gotcha

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stuarta:

they aren't terribly creative with their naming schemes :)

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Beirdo:

nor should they be

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ille:

digital TV is a jungle for the consumers

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stuarta:

at least it's obvious....

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Beirdo:

yeah, to Europeans.. We don't call em handheld phones on this side of the pond :)

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stuarta:

nor do we

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Merlin83b:

We don't hear, but it's not limited to just phones.

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ille:

where I live we have DVB-C/T/S and soon DVB-H

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Merlin83b:

Um, here.

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stuarta:

London taxi's have tv in them now

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Merlin83b:

Should be DVB-M

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ille:

stuarta : reporting directly from heatrow.

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lebiathan:

thank you all people for the help :) :) :)

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lebiathan:

bye:)

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Beirdo:

seeya

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

so I just wrote the code to put a YUV420P frame into the GPU, and then to pull it back out

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

now to tell it to do it, then try it

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Beirdo:

oh good God, please don't let this crash :)

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stuarta:

should know fairly quickly...

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

hmm, one sec

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Beirdo:

before I try it, let's get the output stage right

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Beirdo:

OK, cross the fingers

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Beirdo:

oooh, yay, nothing at all

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Beirdo:

WTF did I miss?

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stuarta:

the magic glue

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Beirdo:

probably :)

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Aid`:

what are you trying to do?

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Beirdo:

time to add more logging so I see where it's stopping

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Beirdo:

right now, I'm sending YUV420P frames to the GPU and pulling them back

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Beirdo:

the plan is to add denoising, etc in the GPU

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Beirdo:

time to RTFMA

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Beirdo:

Cg is an interesting thing to use first time

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nosatalian:

I'm working on mythcommflag, and when I run from svn, it uses the libmythtv (and other) shared libraries from my installation- /usr/local/lib64, instead of from my source, does anyone know how to change this?

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asfui:

hi

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ille:

nosatalian : dunno, maybe override with enviorment LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?

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rtsai1111:

nosatalian: you have to muck with LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point it at your tree instead of /usr/local/...

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nosatalian:

thanks

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Beirdo:

oh

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Beirdo:

HAHAH

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Beirdo:

I suck

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Zider:

what have you done this time? ;)

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stuarta:

forgot to wet the string?

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Beirdo:

I forgot to remove the if checking a buffer I no longer use

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Beirdo:

http://beirdo.pastebin.ca/126420

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Beirdo:

muhahhaha

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Beirdo:

OMG, I have some debugging to do :)

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Beirdo:

it ate itself pretty goog

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Beirdo:

good rather

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Zider:

so what is denoising?

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Beirdo:

removing noise from the frames

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stuarta:

the sound of a fart through a pillow

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Kelerion:

I thought that a software function.. not a gpu function

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Zider:

I thought noise was in audio, not video :P

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Beirdo:

which then makes them easier to compress nicely

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Beirdo:

noise is in video too, and every other signal known to man :)

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Zider:

mkay

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Kelerion:

definately exists when in the voice signal I get from my wife... thats a fact :)

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Beirdo:

usually in video it will look like snow or flickering color, etc

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Zider:

aha

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Beirdo:

OMG, this bug will be a PITA to track down

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Beirdo:

at least it's consistant about dying

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Zider:

:D

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Beirdo:

OK, the log message was buggered because I am a fool and forgot a parameter to the log print

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Beirdo:

now let's see what the message actually is

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Beirdo:

2006-Aug-11 09:49:22.030669 [13680] <0> OpenGL ERROR: invalid operation (Label: createTextures())

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Beirdo:

that's more like

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Beirdo:

Oh, FFS

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Beirdo:

I never called my createTextures()

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asfui:

hey guys, little issue, in my country on twenty-something local station their program online, so i don't have any idea on what's on air,i like to maitein the recorded of what i see

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asfui:

this morning i watch a film on a local sattion, and when i go into watch recording, i have only a record, of the last 8 minute

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asfui:

i re-run mythtv-setup the see if there is some option i forget to set, but don't find anything useful

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asfui:

what you suggest?

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Kelerion:

clock set right? did it run out of space?

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Juski:

re

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asfui:

i go to check it again

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Kelerion:

oh.. *last* 8 mins.. sounds like backend wasn't running.. then when it was it started recording it

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asfui:

it was running

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asfui:

some minute before i see the film, i was watching another channel

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Fnc-1:

sall these new FAA regs have my panties in a bunch

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Juski:

maybe your HDD is full of livetv recordings already

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asfui:

and before to change channel, i had take a look the recording, and it was here

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Juski:

asfui: how many tuners do you have in the box?

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asfui:

i think that the registration has auto expired, of some sourt of this

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asfui:

Juski:1

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Juski:

and you expect to be able to record one thing while you watch another thing?

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asfui:

and i've checked twice that autoexpiring is disabled

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Juski:

if you watch livetv and you only have one tuner you cannot record another channel at the same time

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asfui:

i haven't explained my self very well

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asfui:

sorry for my english

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asfui:

what i was tryng to say it's that before to see this movie

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asfui:

i was watching another channel

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Juski:

ok

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Juski:

so that was before the movie started?

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asfui:

then go to the recording listening, and see that what i have watched was here

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asfui:

then go to livetv again, change channel and see this movie start

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Juski:

right.

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asfui:

and i watched it

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Juski:

all of it?

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asfui:

yes

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asfui:

after it's finished

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Juski:

ah but you don't have any data in the program guide

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asfui:

i've go to the recording listening and i found olny the last 8–9 minute

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asfui:

no data

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Juski:

so myth will only record 30 minute sections

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Kelerion:

could just be looking at the livetv recordings group

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asfui:

in my country on twenty-something local station their program online, so i don't have any idea on what's on air

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asfui:

sorry

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asfui:

i want to say that on 20 local station only one have a online guide

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Juski:

yes but without a programme guide, mythtv is useless for tv really

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asfui:

so for all the other i have no data on what's on air

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asfui:

doh

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Kelerion:

xmltv says it works fine for italy though

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asfui:

yes Kelrion, but it was some time ago :)

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asfui:

with another grabber i can have the guide for the 7 national channel

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asfui:

but nothing for my local channel

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asfui:

is something i can do for mantein the 30 minute section?

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Juski:

asfui: the movie you recorded will be in the livetv recordings but in different pieces

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asfui:

Juski:yeah, i know

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asfui:

Juski: at leat i'll merg

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Juski:

you can stop them from being expired

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jonK:

good morning

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Juski:

there is no way to join them together right now

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asfui:

not the nvu, but if i export them, than i can merge

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asfui:

am i right?

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jonK:

I'd like to ask for a little help. New installation of myth, and the frontend interface runs very slow, anyone think they could help?

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ir_blastah:

jonK: are the frontend and backend both running on the same box?

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jonK:

yes, but I do have a frontend on another box that runs fine

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ir_blastah:

ok, so the backend most likely isn't the problem

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asfui:

Juski:how i can stop them by being expired?

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ir_blastah:

does top show lots of cpu use?

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jonK:

hang on, i'll see

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Juski:

asfui: quite easy! go to the 'watch recordings' screen and highlight one. press the right arrow button and a menu will come up.. you will want to 'disable autoexpiry'

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Juski:

you can also move the reocrding to a different group from there I think

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jonK:

oops... killed mythfrontend before I left, how to start from shell? DISPLAY :=0 ?

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ir_blastah:

jonK: by "from shell" do you mean ssh'ed into the box from elsewhere?

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jonK:

ding ding

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asfui:

Juski: i've to do this before the 30' minute, and so i need another frontend to do this

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ir_blastah:

jonK: not sure. I *know* that there's some way to do it, I just don't know how to specify what display it gets sent to

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jonK:

it's DISPLAY [something][something]

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jonK:

but I don't recall exactly either

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asfui:

Juski: if i go out of livetv, the recording will stop, so another frontend, before the 30' minute, correct?

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ir_blastah:

i bet if you do export DISPLAY=:0.0 or some similar

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ir_blastah:

perhaps: export DISPLAY=local:0.0 ?

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asfui:

Juski:is someway to not record only 30 minute, but to record continuely?

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Juski:

asfui: if you press R before you quit out, myth will keep recording until the current 30 minute segment ends

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Juski:

asfui: no, not without a program guide. you NEED programme guide data

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asfui:

Juski: great

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jonK:

ahh it's just the order I had wrong order wrong,

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ir_blastah:

brb

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jonK:

had script in another box, but the command from that script is not working

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jonK:

DISPLAY=:0 mythfrontend

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jonK:

gives "Xlib:connection to ":0.0" refused by server

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jonK:

Xlib: no protocol specified

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Juski:

export DISPLAY="0:0"; mythfrontend works for me

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jonK:

related?

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jonK:

I also note I do not hvae XvMC support turned on in the configuration

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jonK:

related?

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Juski:

no

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asfui:

Juski: the local tv station didn't seem to care much to put an online programme gudie, unfortunatly for me

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Juski:

asfui: I guess you could somehow fill the EPG with fake data but it would still be difficult to work with

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asfui:

Juski:yes

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asfui:

Juski:thx for the advice,i'll try tonight

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jonK:

s'pose I could just try svn versus stable and see if I get any difference

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jepeltw:

hello all, I'm looking at setting up lirc on my PPC Mac. With an MCE remote, is it possible to run lirc directly on the Mac or must it be run on a Linux system and used over the network?

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Juski:

asfui: ask the xmltv mailing list about how to use tv_grab_it too

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asfui:

Juski:i have found a new grabber that work, the problem is that only the 7 national channel + the skyTV channel have an online guide

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asfui:

Juski:all the local station hasn't one, except for 1 or 2

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asfui:

Juski:the grabber i found it was written for freevo, i've adapted it to mythtv

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Juski:

asfui: maybe you would be better using a DVB tuner

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asfui:

Justi:but i'm on writing one on my own in perl as soon i have the time

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asfui:

Juski:how the DVB card could solve this problem?

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Juski:

because you can get EPG data from the DVB signal

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asfui:

Juski:if those local station will use EPG :)

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Juski:

the local stations aren't pirate TV channels are they? I once heard Italy had lots of them

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asfui:

Juski:we are a "little late" with those thing :)

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asfui:

they are not pirate channel

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asfui:

sometimes some pirate channel come up, but it ends after a while

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asfui:

2–3 mounth

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Juski:

heheheh

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asfui:

last time it happen is two years ago, if i remember right :)

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asfui:

it's a sporadic episode

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asfui:

the 80% of the program of this stations, are little local production and old film, and when i say old, i mean it :), i mean film in bw

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asfui:

and some in colour

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asfui:

do you know Tot??Eduardo and Peppino de Filippo?

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asfui:

or Scarpetta?

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asfui:

old italian theatre

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Juski:

nope. no idea

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Juski:

we have B&W films here still – usually old classics. at least we have EPG though :-P

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asfui:

:)

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asfui:

my hope is that with the total transiction in DVB-T those stations will use EPG, but it's purely a hope :)

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sigger:

I've installed knoppmyth on a few computers and never had a problem, however put it on a 5 year old Dell last night and it seems to stop after BIOS. Tried two different HD's.

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sigger:

It says it set up the MBR, but I wouldn't have a clue how to check MBR or lilo. Any thoughts?

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Juski:

sigger: maybe BIOS virus protection is enabled...

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sigger:

didn't see a switch for that in the BIOS setup screen

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** Beirdo pounds his head against the wall **

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Beirdo:

fug

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asfui:

see you

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stuarta:

sigger: anything in mailing list archives about that machine?

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Juski:

maybe lilo's bootloader doesn't like the IDE chipset... clutching at straws there of course

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bsdfox:

doubt that..

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opello:

tried both lilo and grub?

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lnx^:

oi peeps

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lnx^:

how'd I configure lirc so that my remote would work in mythvideo too?

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bsdfox:

so I've got a pvr-500 in my box but it appears I only have 1 tuner (can't watch tv and record at the same time).. what did I screw up? and does the 1 coax connection work for both tuners?

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lnx^:

currently the buttons ain't working in it

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opello:

bsdfox: there's a built-in splitter on the coax

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sigger:

stuarta: I have searched at both gossamerthreads and knoppmyths board. nothing really on point.

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bsdfox:

opello, how would I configure myth to use both? or at least see that it's got that capability

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stuarta:

try the kernel mailing lists, if the machine won't even boot.

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Juski:

lnx^: you need a .lircrc file for xine or mplayer (whichever you use to play videos). or set the player to 'Internal'

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opello:

bsdfox: did you add both tuners in mythsetup?

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bsdfox:

yeah

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opello:

but you can't hit 'y' and get to 'tuner1' (i think it's y)

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lnx^:

Juski: does the internal player work as well as the external ones?

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sigger:

opello, I have not tried both lilo and grub. i'm not real familiar with how to muck around with the boot stuff.

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sigger:

I have used whatever the livecd boots with tho and that works.

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bsdfox:

1 sec

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Juski:

lnx^: yes

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ir_blastah:

simple quesiton that I haven't been able to answer myself: what buttons control the brightness adjustment when you're playing back video? I can find it in the menu, but no keys I've found have actually made changes to the setting.

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ir_blastah:

also, is the brightness adjustment stored and re-used any time that videos are played?

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GreyFoxx:

ir_blastah: F is the key to cycle through them

[16:18:56]

opello:

iirc: 'f' works and is preserved if you have xv output; 'g' is only temporary?

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stuarta:

later all

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lnx^:

Juski: thanks, that did it

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Juski:

later stuarta

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lnx^:

what about the DVD player?

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lnx^:

I guess it's got an internal one too

[16:23:58]

GreyFoxx:

there is.

[16:24:12]

GreyFoxx:

Though it is much more complete in SVN than in 0.19 release

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lnx^:

one thing I notice is that it doesn't use widescreen automatically

[16:27:55]

Juski:

just press W

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lnx^:

yes but mplayer does it automatically

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lnx^:

not a big thing but a small annoyance

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Juski:

so put a .lircrc file in your ~ directory and let mplayer work with lirc

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Bazil_:

HUH ???

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lnx^:

hi Bazil_

[16:30:27]

Bazil_:

HI

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Bazil_:

who be U ?

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lnx^:

no one, you?

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lnx^:

anyway, what about navigating in the dvd menu? any keys i should know about?

[16:31:10]

Bazil_:

dont konw .. got a msg from u sayin somethin about lircrc

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Juski:

lnx^: mplayer doesn't do menus

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lnx^:

Juski: yeah I'm using the internal now

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lnx^:

I may be able to live without auto-widescreen ;)

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Juski:

timestretch dvds :-D

[16:35:42]

lnx^:

but what to do in the menu :| arrow keys ain't workin'

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bsdfox:

hmm I can't change the backend IP from 127.0.0.1 to the lan IP.. just keeps saying mysql not open on that ip

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bsdfox:

where would I set that? I checked everywhere in /etc/mysql

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Juski:

comment out "skip networking"

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lnx^:

skip-networking

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Fnc-1:

juski.. is your week of wiki over?

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bsdfox:

where is that

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Fnc-1:

that one should be easier to find, if its even in there... also noticed you were talking about lircrc agiain a while ago

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Juski:

Fnc-1: not until Monday

[16:38:29]

Fnc-1:

;) ;)

[16:38:33]

Juski:

even then I don't want people to stop contributing

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lnx^:

bsdfox: /etc/mysql/my.cnf

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Fnc-1:

understood

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lnx^:

so what could I do to get to play my dvds? right now i'm stuck in the menu

[16:41:36]

lnx^:

w/o any navigation keys

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lnx^:

since the arrow keys are bound to 'forward/backward'

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bsdfox:

sweet thanks

[16:46:17]

lnx^:

any solution to my problemo?

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bsdfox:

lnx: in xine? I have the same problem

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bsdfox:

someone told me p will play it but it doesn't

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lnx^:

nah i'm using the internal player

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Juski:

lnx^: internal doesn't support menus in 0.19

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lnx^:

ah okay, it only shows them then

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lnx^:

in svn it does?

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lnx^:

and with xine?

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Juski:

xine supports menus just fine

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a1fa:

how long does it take you to compile mythtv on your box? :)

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a1fa:

AMD3200+ 750MB RAM HD: 50mb/s ==

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a1fa:

i will let you in a few minutes.. i am doing time mythtv

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bsdfox:

Protocol version mismatch (frontend=14,backend=26)

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bsdfox:

what version would be 26?

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a1fa:

svn

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bsdfox:

damn

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soll:

The preview images have wrong colors, is this a known problem with multimedia-debian repo?

[17:10:16]

soll:

Or is it some setting that is messed up?

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lnx^:

hmm what's the command for widescreen in xine?

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lnx^:

found it

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lnx^:

wonder if there's a way to automate it

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GreyFoxx:

lnx^: There is definately a commandline way to tell it the aspect to use for display

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bsdfox:

probably something in ~/.xine

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lnx^:

yeah found it, thanks

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bsdfox:

hey, my zap2it listings are wrong.. the channels are all correct but the stuff playing is either off by like 30 mins or an hour, or it's just completely wrong.. are there any alternatives I can try?

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KyleAnderson:

Are you in NA?

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bsdfox:

yes

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a1fa:

real 39m31.712s

[18:05:24]

a1fa:

god

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a1fa:

AMD3200+ 750MB RAM HD: 50mb/s == 39m 31s to compile mythtv

[18:12:11]

a1fa:

64bit, mind you

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a1fa:

thats shitty

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Aid`:

has anyone yet created a parser for yahoo.com tv listings so it can add to the mythconvergedb?

[18:13:26]

a1fa:

why not use zap2it?

[18:13:46]

Aid`:

because every station is at a different location

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a1fa:

Aid` : wtf?

[18:14:15]

Aid`:

a1fa: im using FTA satellite

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lnx^:

oi peeps

[18:16:07]

Aid`:

a1fa: some are from arkansas. some are from michigan, all are all over the place

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lnx^:

I've got an ATI remote wonder II

[18:16:24]

lnx^:

any way in which I could get it to turn on/off my plasma screen?

[18:16:29]

lnx^:

(so i only need to use one remote)

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KyleAnderson:

bsdfox: The only thing I can think of is to pick and choose channels from multiple sources, or use tv_grab_na.

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a1fa:

lnx^ : no

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lnx^:

you sure?

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lnx^:

it's got some kinds of AUX buttons

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a1fa:

does it have "tv" button?

[18:19:37]

lnx^:

yes

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a1fa:

then go to ati

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a1fa:

and program your remote, foo'

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lnx^:

:P

[18:19:58]

lnx^:

thanks

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a1fa:

gosh, napoleon style

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bsdfox:

what does tv_grab_na use as a source?

[18:20:46]

bsdfox:

I'd love to just get the tvguide listings or something

[18:21:10]

a1fa:

Aid` : lol. arkansas?????

[18:21:20]

jonK:

anyone have any suggestions as to why mythfrontend might run terribly slow?

[18:21:35]

a1fa:

jonK : what system?

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a1fa:

jonK : more info, please

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jonK:

athlon 3800 x2

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a1fa:

jonK : how much ram?

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jonK:

2gb

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a1fa:

jonK : what version of mythtv?

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jonK:

stable .19

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bsdfox:

is it a networked frontend or local?

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a1fa:

jonK : check top, report memory usage here

[18:22:37]

a1fa:

jonK : maybe its "xorg" or "xfree" running like shit

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a1fa:

jonK : usuallly misconfigured apps do that

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jonK:

this one local, i have another box, that does not have th4e problem

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a1fa:

run top

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a1fa:

and paste memoery usage for mythfrontend only

[18:23:26]

jonK:

cant, only have shell connection, and mythfrontend not currently running

[18:23:40]

jonK:

tried to do DISPLAY=:0.0 mythfrontend

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jonK:

but it gives an error

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a1fa:

do this

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a1fa:

xinit `whereis mythfrontend`

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bsdfox:

how can I get my knoppmyth box to transcode to divx or xvid? right now all my recordings are HUGE (1gb per 30 minutes)

[18:24:15]

a1fa:

xinit `whereis mythfrontend` &

[18:24:21]

a1fa:

make sure you add & at the end

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a1fa:

bsdfox : in mythsetup, you can add post-recording actions

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bsdfox:

divx and xvid aren't listed..

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jonK:

x: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting

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a1fa:

you have to manually transcode them

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a1fa:

jonK : lol

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a1fa:

what distribution?

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bsdfox:

?

[18:25:25]

jonK:

add the user via xhost?

[18:25:32]

jonK:

ubuntu dapper

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a1fa:

sudo su -c xinit `whereis mythfrontend` &

[18:26:01]

jonK:

"sudo su" ?

[18:26:06]

a1fa:

bsdfox : you have to manully

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a1fa:

err

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a1fa:

sudo xinit `whereis mythfrontend` &

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a1fa:

bsdfox : you can add manual commands that need to be run against that file

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jonK:

"server is already active for display"

[18:27:35]

jonK:

the GDM login screen

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a1fa:

ok

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a1fa:

sudo killall -9 gdm

[18:28:12]

a1fa:

sudo xinit `whereis mythfrontend` &

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jonK:

same result

[18:28:34]

a1fa:

ok

[18:28:41]

a1fa:

fix your crap

[18:29:00]

a1fa:

gdm is coming back up

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a1fa:

sudo killall -9 xorg

[18:29:45]

jonK:

you mean Xorg?

[18:29:53]

a1fa:

sure

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dev:

way to go spanky

[18:30:14]

jonK:

there we go

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bsdfox:

wow, I can't believe it's not a built-in option

[18:30:45]

kormoc:

huh, I'm running Xorg 7.0 and there's no Xorg or xorg process on my box

[18:31:08]

a1fa:

sudo killall -9 X

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kormoc:

bsdfox, look into nuvexport

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jonK:

either way, it worked — killed something as "Xorg" instead of no process found, and now mythfrontend is running

[18:32:06]

jonK:

but at least according to top, it's not killing resourceses

[18:32:19]

kormoc:

kill -9 `pidof a1fa_inet`

[18:32:42]

jonK:

ooh unix command humor — it's the funniest

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dev:

cat JonK_mouth > /dev/nul

[18:33:04]

dev:

fuck

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a1fa:

ok

[18:33:05]

dev:

cat JonK_mouth > /dev/null

[18:33:08]

a1fa:

how much ram you got?

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jonK:

cd pub

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a1fa:

(getting used by mythfrontend)

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jonK:

can i restrict the list in top by pid?

[18:34:09]

a1fa:

sure

[18:34:11]

kormoc:

nohup 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp'

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a1fa:

man top

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jonK:

yes, cause just telling me -p would have been more typing ... err... wait

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dev:

but then you would have asked "can i use -p more than once?"

[18:35:18]

dev:

and god knwos what else

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dev:

manpage is the best answer heh

[18:36:13]

dev:

this day needs to end so i can leave. its way too nice outside to be stuck inside

[18:36:24]

** dev daydreams looking at the window. sigh **

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a1fa:

dev u du00f0s

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lnx^:

no one happens to know how i'd programme my ati remote wonder II under linux? :|

[18:36:40]

jonK:

ok... mem % 5.5

[18:37:05]

a1fa:

lnx^ : you will have to program the actual remote to work with your screen

[18:37:09]

a1fa:

its os independent

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dev:

lnx^: my first guess would be by configureing lirc? :)

[18:37:13]

a1fa:

you hold TV button down

[18:37:20]

a1fa:

and type in your TV CODE

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lnx^:

ah

[18:37:27]

a1fa:

you can find it in the remote manual

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lnx^:

thanks a lot about that

[18:37:45]

a1fa:

yeah foo'

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lnx^:

to search for the manual ->

[18:37:50]

a1fa:

its like universal remote

[18:38:07]

lnx^:

yeah please continue bashing me whilst i'm away

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jonK:

so can I use -p more than once or not

[18:38:19]

lnx^:

i always love being trashed :P

[18:38:38]

a1fa:

sure jonk

[18:38:46]

dev:

lol

[18:38:46]

a1fa:

try -p 3,3,4,

[18:38:50]

a1fa:

try -p 3,3,4,1001010

[18:38:54]

a1fa:

killall -9 init

[18:39:04]

a1fa:

try sudo killall -9 init &

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jonK:

what does "try" do?

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a1fa:

no, its for you to try -p switch with "-p 3,3,3"

[18:39:31]

a1fa:

multiple pids

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dev:

lol

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dev:

jonK: read the fucking manpage, jesus

[18:39:43]

jonK:

i did

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dev:

so then whats the problem

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a1fa:

you can also try dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda &

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a1fa:

that works great

[18:40:05]

jonK:

and if you think i'm being serious, well, you'd be wrong

[18:40:17]

a1fa:

you can also try dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda bs=999999999999999999 &

[18:40:23]

a1fa:

its a memory booster

[18:40:34]

a1fa:

hehe

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dev:

i think a1fa is dumping his entire unix knowledge into irc

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a1fa:

dev: :(

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jonK:

all i want is for mythfrontend to stop being so freaking slow

[18:40:55]

a1fa:

dev : its much harder than dumping your mom on the street

[18:41:08]

a1fa:

jonK : whats slow about it

[18:41:14]

a1fa:

jonK : did you try xinit

[18:41:20]

jonK:

response to u/i input

[18:41:35]

jonK:

e.g., scrolling down the main list of options or from show to show in the recorded list

[18:41:40]

a1fa:

jonK : i start frontend with xinit..

[18:41:48]

a1fa:

are you using the keyboard or a remote?

[18:41:51]

jonK:

did, but am not at home

[18:41:52]

a1fa:

maybe its your fucked up remote

[18:41:56]

jonK:

keyboard

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a1fa:

ok.. keyboard, so its not the remote

[18:42:17]

a1fa:

maybe its faster now that you started it with xinit

[18:42:24]

a1fa:

using gnome+mythfrontend == death

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jonK:

had no problem on old backend or other system

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a1fa:

yes, cos you didnt load it from gnome, foo

[18:43:02]

jonK:

but i did, at least as far as I know...

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a1fa:

use xinit, who cares about focus issues

[18:43:09]

a1fa:

ok, you didnt

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a1fa:

i swear

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a1fa:

go home

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jonK:

old system was ubuntu breezy

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a1fa:

ok good for you

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a1fa:

is your keyboard slow?

[18:45:21]

a1fa:

as it is when you type in gnome?

[18:45:25]

a1fa:

maybe you slowed it down a bit

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jonK:

my keyboard is not moving at all

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lnx^:

hmm there was no tv code or any other code in the manuals that came with my screen

[18:46:09]

lnx^:

it's a Philips BDS4211

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a1fa:

did you do dd?

[18:46:19]

jonK:

i had not noticed any issues with typing speed when installing everything and building mythtv

[18:46:32]

jonK:

i checked to make sure dma was on from hdparm

[18:46:34]

a1fa:

you built frontend from X?

[18:46:53]

jonK:

yes

[18:46:54]

a1fa:

lnx^ : is there a code for any philips remote? damn it?

[18:47:26]

jonK:

just from an xterm or whatever dapper uses as the default terminal

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a1fa:

ok...

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a1fa:

and the keyboard wasnt handicaped?

[18:48:14]

a1fa:

is it an usb keyboard?

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jonK:

no

[18:48:21]

jonK:

and no

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jonK:

at least i didn't notice any lag

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a1fa:

ok.. so how much ram is it using now

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a1fa:

do ps aux | grep myth

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a1fa:

and paste to pastebin.ca

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lnx^:

a1fa: hmm but there is no way i could bind the power button on my ATI to turning off the screen?

[18:49:25]

lnx^:

i need to program the TV button, and then press it to control the tv?

[18:49:29]

medwards:

Man, where's Juski when you need him :/

[18:49:51]

a1fa:

IF IT WAS MADE TO CONTROL THE TV, THEN YES

[18:49:58]

a1fa:

juskis her

[18:50:28]

lnx^:

i'm surely already giving someone allergic reactions

[18:52:29]

kormoc:

lnx^, don't worry bout a1fa, he's just normally like this

[18:52:32]

jonK:

rs] 5.5V

[18:52:55]

jonK:

pastebin.ca/126717

[18:53:30]

a1fa:

ok

[18:53:33]

a1fa:

its working fine dude

[18:53:40]

a1fa:

i think its the gnome thats fucking you up

[18:53:43]

a1fa:

try it when you get home

[18:54:14]

jonK:

I hope so

[18:55:01]

Beirdo:

getting there :)

[18:55:02]

Beirdo:

http://www2.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/files/00460_2.jpg

[18:55:10]

Beirdo:

that went into and back out of the GPU

[18:55:21]

jonK:

next is to get the remotwww2.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/files/00460_2.jpg

[18:55:27]

Beirdo:

and I have some minor fixing to do to get the rest of it right, but it is SOOO close

[18:55:39]

jonK:

putty does odd cut/paste things

[18:55:42]

Beirdo:

hehe

[18:55:43]

Beirdo:

nice

[18:55:50]

kormoc:

haha, nice beavis

[18:55:51]

kormoc:

erm

[18:55:52]

kormoc:

Beirdo,

[18:56:13]

Beirdo:

thanks, butthead... er kormoc :)

[18:56:23]

Beirdo:

I'm sure I have a typo somewhere

[18:56:32]

Beirdo:

but that's "working"

[18:56:34]

jonK:

I'm going to meet some people from nvidia in a couple weeks

[18:56:38]

a1fa:

good

[18:56:40]

a1fa:

tell them to blow me

[18:56:48]

Beirdo:

I feed it in in YUV420P (in 3 textures)

[18:56:49]

a1fa:

they need to fix their crap

[18:56:56]

jonK:

which crap in particular?

[18:57:00]

Beirdo:

and read it out in YUV420P in 3 textures

[18:57:07]

a1fa:

so their driver does what xbox driver does... screen resize

[18:57:19]

Beirdo:

store internally in YUV444

[18:57:22]

a1fa:

move/etc/

[18:57:32]

a1fa:

overscan blows my left hairy nutsack

[18:58:08]

a1fa:

Beirdo : interesting

[18:58:11]

jonK:

ok so, tell them (1) blow alfa; and (2) change driver for screen resize

[18:58:17]

jonK:

anyting else?

[18:58:29]

Beirdo:

yeah

[18:58:41]

Beirdo:

gimme some free PCI hardware so I can test this even better :)

[18:58:51]

Beirdo:

the fastest GPU they got in PCI * 5 of em :)

[18:58:52]

Beirdo:

hehehe

[18:58:57]

** Beirdo dreams **

[18:59:39]

a1fa:

Beirdo : its a solid request

[18:59:46]

a1fa:

i got your back

[18:59:55]

jonK:

the blowing part or the free crap part?

[19:00:21]

** jepeltw swears: one box has lirc but doesn't see the receiver; the other sees the receiver but doesn't have working lirc **

[19:01:38]

a1fa:

jepeltw_: check the log

[19:01:44]

kormoc:

lnx^, depends on the remote

[19:01:53]

kormoc:

erm, wow

[19:01:56]

kormoc:

scrollback

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Beirdo:

fixed

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Beirdo:

http://www2.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/files/00460_3.jpg

[19:03:26]

Beirdo:

W000t!

[19:03:37]

Beirdo:

simple typo in the Cg code

[19:03:57]

kormoc:

Sweet!

[19:04:06]

Aid`:

yes a1fa arkansas... little rock

[19:04:09]

jepeltw_:

a1fa, dmesg on the laptop doesn't show a usb device connect at all, out of 4 ports

[19:04:17]

Aid`:

http://lyngsat.com/g10r.html

[19:04:25]

Beirdo:

kormoc, no more converting from YUV420P to YUV444P in the CPU

[19:04:28]

Beirdo:

YAY

[19:04:55]

Beirdo:

I convert to RGB to store to disk though

[19:05:08]

Beirdo:

I could get the GPU to do that, but that's only for testing

[19:05:33]

GreyFoxx:

So, use ffmpeg to decode the frame, shove it to the gpu, read back and convert to rgb + write to file ?

[19:05:53]

lnx^:

so I really just hold the TV button down, type in the short code, and then when I push the power button it should turn the screen on?

[19:06:16]

Beirdo:

yup

[19:06:24]

Beirdo:

shove it to the GPU in planar format

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Beirdo:

convert to non-planar in the GPU

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Beirdo:

then back to planar to read out

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Beirdo:

BUT, it only works on the 6600 right now

[19:07:08]

medwards:

So regarding commflagging methods: Using scene detections won't shows that just change the scene instantly for dramatic effect be picked up as commercials?

[19:07:18]

Beirdo:

gotta figure out what exactly I did that isn't supported on the NV3x

[19:07:26]

GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: So, can you just read from the currently displayed buffer or do you have to have been the one to shove the data their first ?

[19:07:46]

Beirdo:

you should be able to copy from the screen too

[19:08:06]

pridkett:

just a quick question, does anyone else have problems with commercial detection in HDTV progresively getting more and more off the further in a recording?

[19:08:09]

Beirdo:

not sure how to attach to the framebuffer that is on the screen, but I'm sure it's a possibility

[19:08:41]

Beirdo:

to read out in YUV in a planar form, I actually read three times, one for each plane

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Beirdo:

with the subsampling being done by the GPU

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GreyFoxx:

cool. reading from the current display buffer would be nifty

[19:09:56]

Beirdo:

if you can't, I'd be quite surprised

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Beirdo:

hmm, wonder what I borked for the NV3x series

[19:10:26]

Beirdo:

2006-Aug-11 15:06:07.314132 [28598] <0> Unsupported framebuffer format

[19:10:27]

Beirdo:

meh

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Beirdo:

heh

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rlbond1:

hey has anyone ever had this problem, most channels work, but the ones in the 50–60's don't? i have a pvr-500 on knoppmyth

[19:13:01]

opello:

i've got channels from 50–60 and my pvr500 doesn't have problems

[19:13:25]

pridkett:

rlbond1: it might just be that those channels are weak on your cable signal and the pvr500 doesn't want to tune them

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Anduin:

rlbond1: what does "don't work" mean? fuzzy? not there?

[19:16:13]

rlbond1:

most of the channels work normally, but some seem like they have interferance

[19:16:36]

Anduin:

rlbond1: It could be a wrong tuner or frequency table.

[19:16:46]

jepeltw:

has anyone compiled lirc on ubuntu dapper?

[19:17:14]

s_g_robertson:

hows everyone today? I'm really pulling my hair out trying to see what is going from with skipping or fast forwarding. Playback and pausing seems to be fine but when I FF it gets stuck displaying the same few frames over and over.

[19:17:37]

kormoc:

jepeltw, nope, it's a feat to rivel the climbing of mount everest, of landing on the moon! You brave sir are the first in all the world to try such a thing. Good luck on your quest!

[19:17:59]

rlbond1:

im on us cable, should i be on something else?

[19:18:01]

jonK:

jepeltw: yes

[19:18:09]

pridkett:

jepeltw: I tried to once, but then a dragon came and ate my pony. I loved that pony. Then I hired a knight, slew the dragon, and managed to compile it.

[19:18:16]

jonK:

www.iwantapony.com

[19:18:20]

lnx^:

can anyone actually confirm that keeping the TV button down + entering the code should reprogram the button in ati remote wonder II?

[19:18:26]

jepeltw:

kormoc, I knew that kernel modules on debian based distros were hard, but not *that* hard

[19:18:37]

Anduin:

rlbond1: Maybe, there are others in use (irc hrc)

[19:18:44]

pridkett:

jepeltw: I didn't use module assistant or any of that stuff

[19:18:48]

kormoc:

lnx^, check the documentation that came with the remote

[19:18:59]

jepeltw:

pridkett, did you use the debian command or do it by hand?

[19:19:02]

pridkett:

just untared the lirc stuff in /usr/src run the configure, selected my hauppauge driver and recompiled

[19:19:07]

pridkett:

hand

[19:19:14]

jonK:

same

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rlbond1:

i had to force my tuner to 50 in my ivtv file

[19:19:27]

jepeltw:

when I run dpkg-reconfigure, it doesn't write out the file

[19:19:47]

jepeltw:

pridkett, could you send me your lirc-modules-sources.conf file? or put it on pastebin?

[19:20:52]

pridkett:

jepeltw: not sure what you're talking about, don't have one of them

[19:21:18]

jepeltw:

pridkett, /etc/lirc/lirc-modules-source.conf is the file from which the Makefile reads the options

[19:21:26]

jepeltw:

pridkett, dpkg-reconfigure should write it, but on my system it doesn't

[19:21:39]

pridkett:

umm, I told you, I didn't use the debian stuff

[19:21:50]

pridkett:

I didn't use module-assistant

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lnx^:

kormoc: i don't think there came any cds/docs with it

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pridkett:

I didn't create packages

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jepeltw:

I'm sorry

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lnx^:

if any indeed were included, i must've lost them

[19:22:14]

pridkett:

I just run the configuration script, compiled it, and installed it into my /lib/modules

[19:22:31]

pridkett:

I never had luck getting the debian stuff to work because it always used ancient versions of lirc

[19:23:23]

pridkett:

the down side is that when I compile a new kernel using the standard debian stuff, I don't get my lirc or ivtv automatically recompiled

[19:23:27]

pridkett:

which is annoying

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pridkett:

but now I'm pretty sure I won't be switching kernels now that I got powersaving working again.

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lnx^:

found a manual online, but it just mentions the 'ati multimedia center' for configuration

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lnx^:

and obviously that only works in windows

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Aid`:

does myth support multiple zap2it accounts?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

well, multiple video sources which can be multiple zap2it accounts

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GreyFoxx:

though you can't have multiple video sources tied to a single interface on acard

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: you can if you insert a row into cardinput

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a1fa:

?

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: how do you mean?

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GreyFoxx:

(well, the how I get, what would youput in?)~

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GreyFoxx:

That would be quite useful for some people who can't get all listings from one source

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Aid`:

ya i need to konw!

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GreyFoxx:

Ok, so just enter another row with the same cardid and inputname ?

[20:00:56]

janneg:

I think you need different inputname but otherwise yes

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daxxar:

Can I, on my Via EPIA-board, get minimyth / the machine to send a composite signal via the s-video output?

[20:02:57]

daxxar:

I'm using a svideo -> SCART-adapter for the video, and it gives me monochrome video =)

[20:03:07]

janneg:

I use it to force recordings of encrypted channels to the card with CAM

[20:03:08]

Aid`:

but it stinks you can only have 4 sources per acc

[20:03:56]

GreyFoxx:

janneg: Nifty, I'll have to remember that

[20:05:19]

Aid`:

how do you enter the cardid?

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Aid`:

i can only have 1 card input

[20:07:51]

janneg:

Aid`: you have to change the db by hand. copy the the existing row and adjust cardinputid, sourceid and inputname

[20:07:53]

Rawn027:

can mythtv capture or playback from the RCA inputs on my pvr-150

[20:08:01]

kormoc:

yes

[20:08:24]

Rawn027:

even if it is not a tv signal?

[20:08:44]

Rawn027:

say I wanted to hook up an old video camera and bring old home videos to dvd's can myth do that for me?

[20:09:08]

Aid`:

janneg: oh okay ill hve to look at the documentation later on that

[20:09:22]

kormoc:

sure, but myth isn't really designed to be used that way, but it can be done

[20:10:27]

Rawn027:

essentially all I really need is to capture the footage on my linux machine and bring the raw video to my mac from there i can bring them in iMovie and iDVD which is more what im looking for

[20:10:45]

Rawn027:

i just have no way of capturing with this old camera to my mac

[20:14:15]

pridkett:

Rawn027: umm, you're best off using something other than mythtv

[20:14:21]

kormoc:

Rawn027, you can even just do

[20:14:25]

pridkett:

like just cat /dev/video0 > dummy.mpg

[20:14:30]

kormoc:

cat /dev/video0 > output.mpeg

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kormoc:

hit play on the vcr

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kormoc:

and wait till it's cone

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kormoc:

*done

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pridkett:

make sure you set the input on the card first too

[20:14:50]

Rawn027:

yeah but that listens on the coax

[20:14:50]

kormoc:

and hit crtl-c when it's done

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kormoc:

Rawn027, ivtvctl can set what input that uses

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Rawn027:

ahhh i see

[20:15:19]

Rawn027:

is that how i would set it in myth too

[20:15:27]

pridkett:

Rawn027: nope, you don't need to set in myth

[20:15:32]

Rawn027:

ok

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Rawn027:

good idea

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pridkett:

myth takes care of that for you. You just need to have the input connected in myth.

[20:16:09]

Rawn027:

myth creates a standard mpeg 2 right?

[20:16:11]

pridkett:

you can even do something like cat /dev/video0 > output.mpeg & ( sleep 1; mplayer output.mpeg)

[20:16:24]

pridkett:

Rawn027: Myth doesn't create anything with your pvr150, your card creates mpeg2

[20:16:39]

kormoc:

Rawn027, the card creates a standard mpeg 2 aye

[20:16:47]

Rawn027:

gotcha

[20:16:59]

pridkett:

really Myth is not the right tool for what you're talking about

[20:17:14]

daxxar:

I'm having problems getting colors on my TV via my S-Video -> SCART-adapter. Anyone have any suggestions?

[20:17:20]

pridkett:

cat /dev/video0 is

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Rawn027:

ok well thanks for the help guys!

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Rawn027:

im going to try that out now and then brind a mpeg file back to my mac and start editing

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Aid`:

getnextchannel, query failed: SELECT channel.channum, channel.chanid FROM channel, capturecard, cardinput WHERE channel.channum + 0 < :ID AND cardinput.cardid = capturecard.cardid AND capturecard.cardid = :CARDID AND capturecard.hostname = :HOSTNAME AND channel.visible = 1 AND cardinput.sourceid = channel.sourceid ORDER BY channel.channum + 0 LIMIT 1

[20:24:19]

Aid`:

what is that all about

[20:24:58]

Beirdo:

gah

[20:27:08]

Juski:

if a mysql query fails.. surely that points to the db being borked somehow...

[20:27:16]

Aid`:

gah what

[20:27:39]

janneg:

Aid`: have you modified the cardinput table?

[20:28:19]

janneg:

if yes please paste it

[20:28:38]

Beirdo:

to a pastebin (PLEASE) :)

[20:28:51]

Aid`:

no i haven't edited anything manually

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Juski:

Aid`: have you stopped mythbackend and run mysqlcheck?

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Aid`:

access denied

[20:34:46]

Juski:

Aid`: deleted any good channels lately?

[20:35:03]

Aid`:

i changed my recording source

[20:35:29]

Juski:

how do you mean?

[20:35:45]

Aid`:

all checked out OK

[20:35:54]

Juski:

changed a tuner input or something?

[20:35:58]

Juski:

in the setup?

[20:36:21]

Aid`:

no i recorded off directv before but now im recording off FTA satellite

[20:36:29]

Aid`:

so i changed the guide stuff a bit

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Juski:

did you delete the directtv source?

[20:37:03]

Juski:

and just add a new source?

[20:37:31]

Juski:

and forget to assign channels to the new source?

[20:37:49]

Aid`:

they appear to be assigned

[20:38:16]

Juski:

assigned to which sourceid though – the old one or the new one?

[20:38:51]

Aid`:

there is channel #14 assigned to WMQF

[20:39:01]

Juski:

cos you can have a bunch of channels assigned to vidsrc 1 – then go in & delete the videosource... add a new one – guess what – the new one will be called vidsrc 2

[20:39:02]

Aid`:

it appears to be fine

[20:39:12]

daxxar:

On MiniMyth, can I customize xorg.conf?

[20:39:25]

Juski:

daxxar: course you can. read the minimyth.conf file

[20:39:48]

Aid`:

Juski: there is only 1 video source, and only 1 channel

[20:39:52]

Juski:

you put xorg.conf in the 'default' directory with your lircrc & stuff

[20:39:53]

daxxar:

Can I find the 'template' anywhere?

[20:39:56]

Aid`:

I dont see the problem..........

[20:40:14]

Juski:

Aid`: get me a dump of cardinput, channel & videosource

[20:40:29]

Aid`:

once i figure out how to do that.. ok

[20:40:45]

daxxar:

Juski, I just need my minimyth-box to send Composite signal over the S-Video output. :p

[20:41:01]

daxxar:

MM_X_TV_OUTPUT=Composite

[20:41:04]

daxxar:

Didn't seem to work

[20:41:44]

Juski:

daxxar: you can't do that. you'd have to change the SPDIF/Composite jumper over and change MM_X_TV_OUTPUT to Composite

[20:41:55]

Juski:

and use the yellow socket for composite out

[20:42:23]

Juski:

if you want composite from the svideo output you'll have to use a converter plug instead

[20:43:12]

daxxar:

Huh, I've had the exact same problem under win32, and usually the video-driver had an option for what kind of signal to send, which solved it.

[20:43:31]

daxxar:

And you're saying that's technically impossible? (I don't mean to be rude, I just don't see the logic)

[20:43:57]

Juski:

put it this way.. I've read the datasheet for the TV encoder

[20:44:52]

Juski:

so with MM_X_TV_OUTPUT=Composite, you just get monochrome video right?

[20:45:02]

Juski:

or none at all?

[20:45:05]

daxxar:

Same with SVideo

[20:45:10]

daxxar:

Monochrome, yes

[20:45:14]

daxxar:

S-Video*

[20:45:16]

Juski:

heh

[20:45:17]

Juski:

figures

[20:45:47]

Juski:

if you _really_ want to use the svideo socket & get composite out, you'll have to buy a little converter plug for about $5 (prolly less)

[20:46:07]

Juski:

I guess you want to use the yellow socket for digital audio am I right?

[20:46:24]

daxxar:

Not really. :-)

[20:46:36]

daxxar:

I use the minijack for the audio

[20:46:50]

Juski:

not really? so just use the composite output – the yellow socket

[20:47:03]

daxxar:

I haven't got a composite-cable

[20:47:26]

daxxar:

I have a crappy TV, so I have to use SCART-input, but I only have a Svideo-cable and a Svideo->SCART-adapter

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Juski:

if you have a 10 nanofarad capacitor & a soldering iron you can fix it :-P

[20:48:22]

daxxar:

I just moved, I barely have a screwdriver atm :p

[20:48:27]

Juski:

so BUY a fucking composite – Scart lead. they ain't expensive from the pound shop

[20:48:42]

Juski:

get the right gear for the job :)

[20:48:49]

Aid`:

anyone here have DVB-S? because i read somewhere that you can get a few days tv guide through the signal? is that true for FTA channels?

[20:48:52]

daxxar:

But shouldn't it be possible to set that up in the software? :p

[20:49:29]

radi0head:

If I buy a mpeg2 encoder card (hauppauge PVR-150) can I use the composite out to plug my game console directly without the card encoding to mpeg2?

[20:49:36]

Juski:

daxxar: no – not the way the linux driver works AFAIK

[20:49:38]

daxxar:

I've seen threads where they give two viable options, "TVFormat" in xorg.conf or the capacitator-mod.

[20:49:50]

daxxar:

AFAICT.

[20:49:56]

Juski:

radi0head: there'll be too much lag to be able to play games.. unless you really love being fragged

[20:50:00]

radi0head:

My question is not releated to mythtv, I would use tvtime for that.

[20:50:11]

Juski:

radi0head: you can't use tvtime with pvr150 cards

[20:50:34]

daxxar:

Mkay. Guess I'll have to try the xorg.conf-thing, and see what happens. :P

[20:50:40]

radi0head:

Juski; Ahh, so it can only encode, I can't use the card liek a tvtuner directly?

[20:50:54]

Juski:

radi0head: not in the linux driver no

[20:51:47]

Juski:

daxxar: the MM config stuff just changes what minimyth writes to an internal xorg.conf file anyway – so it'll not make a difference

[20:52:14]

Juski:

!seen ivor_

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MythLogBot:

ivor_ is here and has been idle for 1 day 5 hours 36 minutes 55 seconds

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Juski:

heh. ivor_ would know – if anyone here would know for absolute certain, daxxar

[20:52:48]

daxxar:

*pokes ivor_*

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radi0head:

Juski; Is there a card that does both? ie. mpeg2 encoder + direct tv without encoding?

[20:53:21]

Juski:

radi0head: yeah but it doesn't work in linux

[20:53:24]

radi0head:

k

[20:53:40]

Juski:

pvr150 windows driver lets you preview in real time AFAIK

[20:54:02]

Juski:

if gaming is important, just buy a cheap-ass software tv card ;)

[20:54:08]

radi0head:

WHich card would you suggest me without hardware encoder?

[20:54:19]

Juski:

I dunno – they're all equally bad

[20:54:28]

radi0head:

yeah, I have a ati tv wonder and it works liek a charm, but it's not mine :D

[20:54:33]

Juski:

just buy the cheapest with v4l support

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radi0head:

I'll check ebay.

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[20:56:14]

Juski:

be wary of daft shipping costs!

[20:56:47]

Juski:

Aid`: how are you getting on with those mysql dumps? or are you not bothering?

[20:57:10]

Juski:

I'm only asking cos I've made the same mistake myself in the past

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evilDagmar:

I wouldn't actually suggest getting a card without a hardware encoder at all

[21:00:47]

evilDagmar:

...not for use with MythTV anyway.

[21:00:50]

Aid`:

i dont know what to do Juski

[21:01:35]

Juski:

Aid`: what exactly did you do when you changed from directv ?

[21:01:52]

Juski:

and I mean _exactly_

[21:01:58]

Aid`:

i added some things first

[21:02:04]

Aid`:

then deleted directv

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daxxar:

Hm

[21:02:17]

Aid`:

i tried adding KWBF, WMQF and KWFT all as diff sources

[21:02:26]

daxxar:

Juski, say I *have* a composite cable, how do I use the composite output?

[21:02:28]

evilDagmar:

The damn A8V-MX board I just got in from ZipZoomFly is definitely D.O.A. I'm not going to have nice words for them on Monday.

[21:02:38]

Juski:

daxxar: do you have the FM for the motherboard?

[21:02:50]

evilDagmar:

Gonna have to run to a local shop and just get the A8V (non-MX, probably Deluxe, for sure more expensive).

[21:03:04]

Juski:

daxxar: the yellow socket can be changed from SPDIF output to composite video by means of a jumper

[21:03:48]

Juski:

daxxar: the motherboard manual tells you which position to put the jumper in order to get the right function out of the socket (or in the case of the manual I got – the opposite settings)

[21:03:57]

Aid`:

Juski: how can i fix this bugger

[21:04:35]

daxxar:

FM?

[21:04:43]

Juski:

daxxar: fucking manual ;)

[21:04:50]

daxxar:

hehehe ;p

[21:06:34]

beavis:

how do i switch to 100dpi on gnome?

[21:06:35]

Juski:

Aid`: say you had a videosource of id=1 when you started out – and a bunch of channels in the db assigned to that source. Right – now when you deleted the original videosource & added a new one guess what? It won't have a sourceid of 1. It'll be 2 – so you'll have the same bunch of channels assigned to a source that no longer exists

[21:06:47]

Juski:

beavis: DISPLAYSIZE. google it

[21:07:11]

Aid`:

great

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Aid`:

Juski: im recording a tv show it says recording cardid:1 sourceid: 1

[21:08:51]

Juski:

Aid`: is it actually recording?

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Aid`:

Juski: yes it is recording

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Juski:

course you know you'd have nothing to lose by flattenning the database & starting over if it's that bad

[21:12:30]

Aid`:

not even my recorded info?

[21:12:31]

Juski:

or at least flatten the cardinput, channels & videosource tables

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Juski:

what exactly is wrong with the setup anyway? I mean how did you come to notice the 'Query failed' error in the first place ... just before anyone gets carried away here

[21:14:04]

Aid`:

it says that when i start backend

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Aid`:

then i goto guide and nothing is there at all

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Juski:

well there won't be I guess

[21:14:56]

Juski:

what is actually being recorded anyway?

[21:15:11]

Aid`:

a manual recording

[21:15:21]

Juski:

is it okay?

[21:15:26]

Aid`:

its fine

[21:15:40]

Juski:

so only the guide is screwed...

[21:16:09]

Aid`:

i dont have it change channel because i have to do that manually till get my DVB-S card

[21:16:22]

Juski:

what?

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Aid`:

nvm

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Aid`:

but see, I was trying to get the guide working 100% with all the channels i watch on FTA satellite, and all the channels wont be from 1 sourceid. its actually only 1 channel per sourceid.

[21:17:22]

Juski:

and the sources were bound to which tuner inputs?

[21:17:50]

Aid`:

i dont know what you are asking exactly.

[21:18:14]

Juski:

sod it. wait til you get the dvb-s card and you set it up _properly_

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Aid`:

ok then

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Juski:

and I'd recommend you start with new everything... export your recordings with nuvexport & flatten the db

[21:20:04]

Aid`:

how do i import them all then?

[21:20:38]

evilDagmar:

mysql has a database dump utility

[21:20:40]

Aid`:

if this wasn't "free" it wouldn't really be worth doing

[21:20:58]

Juski:

Aid`: if it's worth doing it's worth doing RIGHT

[21:21:19]

Juski:

you've got problems because you've half-assedly fucked up the db

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Aid`:

im good at doing half-assed things

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Juski:

you should work for MS :)

[21:22:24]

Aid`:

who says i dont? :p

[21:22:34]

Juski:

that'd be a coup

[21:22:43]

Juski:

MS worker uses MythTV.. shock!

[21:23:08]

Juski:

actually never mind. there's already been MCE project manager uses MediaPortal – shock!

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Rawn027:

pridkett: is there a way when doing cat /dev/video0 to stop the video from tearing on the edges?

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Juski:

Rawn027: deinterlace it

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Rawn027:

how would i go about doing that?

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pridkett:

Rawn027: I'd imagine that one of the tools on the mac can do that

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pridkett:

most of the deinterlacing is actually done at playback

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pridkett:

NTSC video is interlaced to begin with, there's nothing you can do about it

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daxxar:

Hrm

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Rawn027:

ok i will do some research might need to invest in Final Cut Express :)

[21:34:02]

daxxar:

Seems I didn't have any composite-cables, bah.

[21:34:07]

pridkett:

Rawn027: or mencoder

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Juski:

erm.. deinterlacing can only be done on playback.. unless you only capture it at half-vertical res.

[21:34:29]

Rawn027:

sounds like a deal im gonna grab some food

[21:34:32]

Rawn027:

have a good one everyone

[21:34:37]

pridkett:

good luck

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daxxar:

And I couldn't seem to hack it to work with a SVideo -> SCART-adapter.

[21:34:53]

daxxar:

All monochrome. :p

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Juski:

daxxar: get yourself to an electronics shop tomorrow :)

[21:39:05]

daxxar:

:)

[21:39:24]

Juski:

and dig the motherboard manual out!

[21:39:49]

daxxar:

I already did, I found it on the web

[21:39:53]

Juski:

luckily, if the jumper is in the wrong position, you can't really harm it if you plug a TV into the yellow socket

[21:39:54]

daxxar:

http://www.epiacenter.com/downloads/board_doc . . . IA-M_v14.pdf

[21:43:28]

daxxar:

But doesn't really matter, since I have no RCA ;P

[21:43:51]

daxxar:

Guess there won't be any movies for me this evenin'. :p

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Juski:

daxxar: not in colour anyway :-D

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daxxar:

Time to watch some retro-flicks? :p

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** Juski has an extensive Laurel & hardy collection **

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daxxar:

Hehe ;

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daxxar:

;)

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daxxar:

Juski, thanks to google and a piece of aluminum foil, I've now got color on my TV ;-)

[22:15:23]

daxxar:

(and a screwdriver)

[22:16:17]

Juski:

daxxar: you could damage the svideo output doing that

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Beirdo:

muhahha

[22:16:31]

Juski:

but hey if you're happy...

[22:16:38]

Juski:

you go ahead & fuck your motherboard

[22:16:50]

Beirdo:

got it running on both cards now, but had to (for now) use 16-bit fixed point for the internal format rather than 32-bit float

[22:16:59]

Beirdo:

anyways, time for date night :)

[22:16:59]

daxxar:

Juski, :o

[22:17:00]

kormoc:

sweet

[22:17:01]

daxxar:

Really? :p

[22:17:07]

kormoc:

heh, lucky :P

[22:17:13]

** kormoc waves to Beirdo **

[22:17:14]

Juski:

Beirdo: nice :)

[22:17:14]

kormoc:

enjoy!

[22:17:26]

Juski:

don't do anything I can't be bothered to do ;)

[22:17:30]

Kelerion:

date?

[22:17:31]

daxxar:

http://camp0s.altervista.org/sVideo/sVideo.htm

[22:17:35]

Kelerion:

you mean a real woman?

[22:17:36]

Beirdo:

oh, and BTW, an AGP8x 6600 is about 3–4x faster than a PCI FX5200 for this use so far

[22:17:42]

kormoc:

nice

[22:17:44]

Beirdo:

yeah, I mean my real wife :)

[22:17:48]

Kelerion:

I thought us geeks didn't do that kinda stuff

[22:17:50]

** kormoc grumbles. **

[22:17:50]

Kelerion:

ahh.. lol

[22:18:01]

Beirdo:

dunno how much of that is the AGP, and how much is the better GPU

[22:18:16]

Beirdo:

I'd bet it's more AGP for now

[22:18:45]

Beirdo:

seeya guys in a while

[22:18:49]

** kormoc waves **

[22:18:54]

Kelerion:

cya.. have fun :)

[22:18:57]

Juski:

daxxar: well maybe not a guaranteed way to screw the board, but it might harm it long term

[22:19:05]

daxxar:

Juski, this is temporary. ;P

[22:19:06]

Juski:

have fun Beirdo :)

[22:19:30]

daxxar:

Enjoy, Beirdo.

[22:20:42]

Juski:

daxxar: the output impedance of the Y & C lines is 75 ohms – which is fine. short them together & it becomes half that, which means the output driver of the tv encoder is driving twice as much current as it's designed for. it might survive, it might not

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Juski:

I'm not saying it'll break of course.. it's just v. bad practise to do just _short_ signals together like that

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Juski:

jesus.. that guy on the webpage should know better than to do that! see the 'tutorial on impedance matching' stuff??

[22:24:46]

Juski:

anyway it'd be better to _couple_ the C to the Y signal with a 10nF capacitor

[22:24:49]

Juski:

</rant>

[22:25:03]

kormoc:

ooh, please continue on! :P

[22:25:44]

Juski:

just wait til the information fascists have their day... the internet & its falsehoods will be no more .... muhahahahaha

[22:26:19]

Juski:

and I'm only in a pissed off mood cos my in-laws are here

[22:26:31]

jams:

oh that is a good reason

[22:26:46]

kormoc:

Heh... I'm just in a nervous mood today

[22:27:44]

Juski:

I should be happy actually. nobody crucified me for the stuff I said in that interview

[22:28:14]

Juski:

I can finally consign it to history :)

[22:28:19]

kormoc:

nice :)

[22:29:28]

Juski:

been a tough week, nerves wise. think I'll go to bed

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Juski:

night

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kormoc:

night :P

[22:29:53]

Kelerion:

g'night Juski :) rest well :)

[22:30:55]

Kelerion:

you had a tough week too kormoc?

[22:31:52]

kormoc:

not really, more like I want to ask this girl out to go play pool, and I donno what she'll say :P

[22:32:29]

Kelerion:

known her a while?

[22:32:40]

kormoc:

not really

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kormoc:

She's a co-worker, and she started a little over a month ago I guess

[22:33:03]

Kelerion:

ahh :)

[22:33:19]

kormoc:

the co-worker part has me nervous the most I guess, the whole, see each other every day bit :P

[22:33:41]

Kelerion:

she let you know she's interested at all?

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kormoc:

I sorta kinda think so, but I'm very aweful at reading people.

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Kelerion:

so make it a night out with a few of you from work.. see how it goes from there.. might just hit it off straight away

[22:36:04]

kormoc:

yeah... sorta been pondering that

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Kelerion:

and that way you can invite her with no pressure

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kormoc:

but no-one really likes doing that here

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Kelerion:

well... ask her first... then try to ask others.. if no one else wants to then tell her it's just you two.. and if thats still ok :)

[22:37:27]

kormoc:

heh, perhaps. I'll ponder on that :P

[22:37:44]

Kelerion:

if she says no.. you have your answer without looking like a prat :)

[22:37:55]

kormoc:

I just said to myself the other day that I'd ask her today is she'd be interested in going to play pool sometime, but I'm thinking I'm gonna chicken out :P

[22:38:07]

Kelerion:

"yeah.. no worries.. not much of a group outting with only the two of us huh? lol"

[22:38:38]

** kormoc peers at Kelerion oddly. **

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kormoc:

been spying on me eh? :P

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Kelerion:

then working with her at work won't be awkward either :)

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kormoc:

I happen to use no worries in that way *a lot*

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Kelerion:

nope.. why? lol

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Kelerion:

lol

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Kelerion:

so do I.. lol

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kormoc:

hehe, but yeah, perhaps that'll work better

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** kormoc ponders **

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Kelerion:

hope it works out for ya :)

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Kelerion:

I just have a sneaky mind.. lol

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daxxar:

Good luck,. ;P

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kormoc:

heh, thanks

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sigger:

kormoc: none of my business, but why not ask her to work with you to rally some folks to go out for pool

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kormoc:

sigger, mainly just the fact that the company doesn't seem to work that way

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sigger:

of course. you can only assume you two will fail but will go out for pool anyway cause it sounds like fun

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