| Monday, August 7th, 2006, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:06] | mega_lptp: | scrapped together... athlon 2200, not sure on the motherboard |
| [00:00:26] | mega_lptp: | pvr-250 |
| [00:00:47] | mega_lptp: | nothing shows up in the syslog (not a surprise) |
| [00:01:02] | gardengnome: | humm. did you ever do any load testing? like, compiling a kernel while watching a video while doing heavy i/o on your disks? |
| [00:01:23] | gardengnome: | i think there's some tool called burn-k7 that lets you put maximum load on your cpu. |
| [00:02:26] | mega_lptp: | that particular motherboard/cpu was used for a while without any problems |
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| [00:02:50] | gardengnome: | yes, but it locks up *now* :) |
| [00:02:57] | mega_lptp: | i'm just confused why it happens when it connects for the listings |
| [00:03:04] | gardengnome: | yes, that's odd. |
| [00:03:27] | gardengnome: | are you sure it's completely locked up? maybe you can still talk to it over the network (ssh) |
| [00:04:02] | mega_lptp: | ok, i lied |
| [00:04:11] | mega_lptp: | i meant to check that earlier, but forgot |
| [00:04:14] | mega_lptp: | it does respond |
| [00:04:17] | mega_lptp: | and CPU is 99% |
| [00:04:27] | gardengnome: | :/ |
| [00:04:34] | gardengnome: | what process is sucking up all your cpu? |
| [00:04:34] | mega_lptp: | X is using it all |
| [00:04:37] | gardengnome: | humm |
| [00:04:49] | gardengnome: | then there's still hope ;) |
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| [00:05:03] | mega_lptp: | yeah |
| [00:05:17] | gardengnome: | so you already changed your vga cards? what cards did you use? |
| [00:05:26] | mega_lptp: | but there's a very good deal with tivo going on right now and i'm tempted :) |
| [00:05:27] | stevenm: | Which version of mythtv allows you to select a transcoding profile to use? |
| [00:05:28] | mega_lptp: | i have a nvidia 6200 in there now |
| [00:05:34] | gardengnome: | scopeuk: 0.19 for example. |
| [00:05:46] | gardengnome: | err, stevenm i mean. |
| [00:05:59] | gardengnome: | mega_lptp: did you ever try anything non-nvidia? |
| [00:06:07] | stevenm: | also, can the PVR-150 encode only at certain bitrates, or does it support the entire range 1MB-wahtever? |
| [00:06:32] | mega_lptp: | gardengnome: not sure what i have laying around... nothing else with video out, though |
| [00:06:35] | mega_lptp: | s-video, that is |
| [00:06:43] | stevenm: | gardengnome, thanks. I am on 0.19–10505 and I cannot find it. What is the key I should press? (I am in the Watch Recordings screen) |
| [00:06:51] | Juski: | stevenm: goes all the way up to 9Mb/sec |
| [00:06:52] | gardengnome: | mega_lptp: well, you said that you tried some other cards. i'mw ondering if it's an issue with the nvidia driver. |
| [00:07:20] | mega_lptp: | the other card i've had in there was nvidia, too |
| [00:07:25] | gardengnome: | stevenm: you cannot change the recording profile in mythtv after you've recorded something – at least that's what the docs say. |
| [00:07:49] | gardengnome: | mega_lptp: well, you might wanna try a card with a different driver or upgrade your driver. |
| [00:07:58] | stevenm: | gardengnome, Well I meant transcoding, not recording.. It was recorded, but now I want to transcode it using, say, Autodetect. This is not possible? |
| [00:08:28] | mega_lptp: | gardengnome: i've tried 5 different drivers with this card... the newer ones don't work at all |
| [00:08:31] | Juski: | svn head lets you choose transcoding profiles I think |
| [00:08:33] | gardengnome: | stevenm: you could change it in the DB. for now, it'll be transcoded with whatever profile your recording job was setup when it was recorded. |
| [00:08:40] | mega_lptp: | some of them lock it up after some amount of time |
| [00:08:45] | gardengnome: | Juski: nifty-spiffily. |
| [00:08:51] | Juski: | so that'll be in 0.20 |
| [00:08:53] | stevenm: | gardengnome, aah, ok thanks |
| [00:08:54] | Juski: | lemme check |
| [00:08:56] | gardengnome: | mega_lptp: that might be part of the problem. |
| [00:09:05] | mega_lptp: | well, this happens on cue |
| [00:09:07] | mega_lptp: | not randomly |
| [00:09:25] | gardengnome: | still... |
| [00:09:33] | gardengnome: | maybe it's your PSU? |
| [00:09:43] | stevenm: | Juski, svn head? Do you think it will make its way into one of the snapshots/patchsets soon? Or are those taken from whatever was in SVN at the time? |
| [00:10:04] | gardengnome: | stevenm: <whisper> rumour is 0.20 will be released soon...</whisper> |
| [00:10:47] | stevenm: | gardengnome, ooh awesome! Do we know when is soon :) ? |
| [00:11:03] | mega_lptp: | 5 days, 13 hours and 37 minutes from now |
| [00:11:03] | Anduin: | Maybe two weeks, probably slightly longer. |
| [00:11:10] | mega_lptp: | no, make that 36 minutes |
| [00:11:28] | gardengnome: | stevenm: no, we don't really know :) but i think the devs are in bug-fixing mode at the moment, so it won't take *that* long. |
| [00:11:34] | scopeuk: | im normaly in volved wit hslightly less progresive projects |
| [00:11:48] | scopeuk: | one put back its second beta bey a year and then indefinately |
| [00:11:48] | gardengnome: | scopeuk: like, learning to spell properly? :/ |
| [00:12:05] | stevenm: | Ooh this is exciting. What are the new features that you can expect in 0.20? Or, where can I read about them if there is a list? |
| [00:12:08] | scopeuk: | yeh something like that |
| [00:12:18] | Juski: | http://www.juski.co.uk/screenshot.png |
| [00:12:21] | gardengnome: | scopeuk: check the wiki |
| [00:12:41] | scopeuk: | gardengnome wasent me that asked |
| [00:12:48] | scopeuk: | stevenm you heard the man |
| [00:13:08] | ** Juski enthuses about mytharchive ** | |
| [00:13:10] | gardengnome: | Juski: woah, awesome :) |
| [00:13:13] | mega_lptp: | nice, the computer still doesn't respond to keyboard inputs even when X is shut down |
| [00:13:17] | ru: | my xine spawns in the wrong screen |
| [00:13:29] | stevenm: | Juski, aah that would be great |
| [00:13:31] | ru: | i can move it and then fullscreen it, and it seems to come right |
| [00:13:43] | ru: | but then when i restart mythvideo it goes back to spawning on the wrong screen |
| [00:13:52] | ru: | anyone know how to specify it on load? |
| [00:13:57] | stevenm: | I wish you could transcode a recording into xvid (a la nuvexport) and have it appear in the recording list. Maybe the video plugin would be useful with these |
| [00:14:23] | Juski: | stevenm: could do that with a user job I think |
| [00:14:28] | Juski: | xvid is shite anyway |
| [00:14:46] | stevenm: | Juski, really? What do you export recordings into? |
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| [02:56:00] | smartel: | Aid, that could be a solution, but I'd prefere to start with a fresh database; I would be sure everything is clean. My old database was so huge (94Mb)... |
| [02:56:10] | Beirdo: | wonder why my linode rebooted? |
| [02:58:01] | smartel: | What data in the DB could make a remote client say "Could not connect to the master backend server". |
| [02:58:46] | smartel: | It say that, but if I go to Machine Status, I get the current uptime and all the other informations :/ |
| [03:00:14] | smartel: | Forget that; the uptime is from the client not the server... |
| [03:00:27] | zimm2: | ok, might be getting somewhere, the kernel used by the qosmio is 2.4.28, finding the module used for the tuner wont be that easy as it looks like all the standard modules have been compiled in there .. however it seems that its installed to /dev/hda2... having trired to mount thjis im getting this error .. attempt to access beyond end of device |
| [03:00:28] | zimm2: | sda2: rw=0, want=4, limit=2 |
| [03:00:28] | zimm2: | EXT3-fs: unable to read superblock |
| [03:00:28] | zimm2: | |
| [03:01:02] | scopeuk: | zimm2 have you tried checking if it has a dmesg that whould show the modual loading? |
| [03:02:14] | zimm2: | in the image files ? remember i cant mount/read half of them .. so i dont have all the data.. if i could mount the partition however and look at the installed os ... |
| [03:02:48] | scopeuk: | i can see what your thinking |
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| [03:05:37] | smartel: | Sorry for the noise; forgot to start from mc.sql ... |
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| [03:07:33] | zimm2: | wonder if i can get this sytem to boot with the qosmio kernel .. then i could see exactly whats loading.. and whether they have compiled the video driver in or left as a module .. only one ive come across so far that i dont recognise are "tosecpmi.o" and "toshddutil.o" which are just dumped in its lib/modules/2.4.28 dir .. |
| [03:09:07] | Dagmar: | Now you're thinking like a hacker. :) |
| [03:09:28] | Dagmar: | A day or two of that and you'll have it working for sure. :) |
| [03:09:28] | zimm2: | now thinking i can do .. its the doing thats hard :P |
| [03:09:38] | Dagmar: | It's a computer. |
| [03:09:45] | Dagmar: | The difference between thinking and doing is just a bit of typing. |
| [03:10:32] | zimm2: | hehe , i'll have to remember that one |
| [03:11:03] | zimm2: | anyway, they arent for the tuner, seem to be speaker-stuff, and a sata hack for 2.4 .. |
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| [03:15:02] | carden: | ok so I have the lirc stuff working now but when I hit a button I get messages like this from myth-srv: Aug 6 20:15:29 myth-srv i2c IR (Hauppauge): unknown key: key=0x15 raw=0x3f95 down=0 |
| [03:15:05] | carden: | any ideas? |
| [03:15:45] | scopeuk: | zimm canyou mount it usign loop back then chroot into it |
| [03:15:59] | medwards: | Man I love "History Bites |
| [03:16:07] | medwards: | makes this entire setup + myth totally worth it. |
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| [03:16:37] | medwards: | anyways: anyone know where I can find libiec61883 debs? |
| [03:16:42] | zimm2: | scopeuk, i keep getting the error i pasted when i try to mount it .. |
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| [03:21:01] | zimm2: | basically its seeing /hda2 (well, its sda2 with a 2.6 kernel as its a sata controller) but i cant read it cos it wants to know the fs, and i dont know it .. |
| [03:21:19] | Z-Morek: | quick question: is there any advantage to building ivtv rather than using precompiles |
| [03:23:11] | Z-Morek: | or am I just asking in the wrong place |
| [03:23:33] | Dagmar: | If you don't know what you're doing, use someone else's build |
| [03:24:36] | Z-Morek: | well thing is I figure the only way to figure out what I'm doing is read the docs and do my best |
| [03:24:51] | carden: | anyone actually usin a remote with their mythTV? |
| [03:25:11] | evilDagmar: | Lots of people |
| [03:25:32] | evilDagmar: | It's easy to use once you've read all of lirc's documentation and understand how it works |
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| [03:25:53] | carden: | I cannot figure out why irw shows the buttons I am pressing correctly but i2c reports in /var/log/messsages unknonw key: |
| [03:27:04] | evilDagmar: | Don't use irw |
| [03:27:17] | carden: | that is just to check it |
| [03:27:20] | carden: | right? |
| [03:27:22] | evilDagmar: | ...unless you're trying to make a new remote profile entirely. |
| [03:27:26] | evilDagmar: | ircat |
| [03:27:42] | evilDagmar: | ircat -c /root/.mythtv/lircrc mythtv |
| [03:28:01] | evilDagmar: | All this is covered in the documentation |
| [03:29:02] | carden: | I must be looking at the wrong docs then ... just a sec |
| [03:31:07] | zimm2: | right .. really going to bed this time .. thanks for sthe help guys.. starting to think i may actaully get somewhere with this .. even if i just install the entire qosmioplayer in vmware .. lol .. |
| [03:31:09] | zimm2: | laters |
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| [03:32:46] | carden: | evil are you refering to the myth TV documentation or the lirc documentation? |
| [03:33:47] | evilDagmar: | The LIRC documentation. |
| [03:33:49] | medwards: | carden: do you have an lircrc file yet? |
| [03:34:27] | carden: | med just found that missing ... let me create it |
| [03:34:49] | evilDagmar: | I'm done |
| [03:34:50] | medwards: | This is a PVR 250 remote? |
| [03:34:55] | medwards: | there are several ones online already |
| [03:35:07] | evilDagmar: | A mind is a terrible thing. |
| [03:35:14] | medwards: | ? |
| [03:35:26] | Z-Morek: | to waste |
| [03:35:31] | carden: | this is a 350, I was under the impression that if I compiled lirc into myth I wouldnt need it... maybe I named the file wrong |
| [03:35:33] | evilDagmar: | Z-Morek: So sez you |
| [03:35:50] | Z-Morek: | evilDagmar: so says whoever said it :-P |
| [03:36:14] | medwards: | carden: To be honest most of the HOWTOs I read had me compile lirc from scratch and put an lircrc file in .mythtv |
| [03:36:21] | carden: | ~/.mythtv/lircrc has all the info in it |
| [03:37:00] | medwards: | OK, if it's there I don't think IRW is going to figure out whats going on. In that case MythTV uses that info if it starts. That's my impression, I only did what worked for me. |
| [03:37:20] | medwards: | btw I have my lircrc file in /etc/lirc as well so that it can properly control mplayer and mame. |
| [03:37:46] | carden: | what I am trying to understand is why ic2 is reporting unknown keys ... sigh I may have to tripple check all my settings.... |
| [03:37:51] | carden: | i2c |
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| [03:38:30] | medwards: | i2c is reporting this, not irw when you run it? |
| [03:38:47] | carden: | right here let me show you |
| [03:38:56] | medwards: | whoa whoa, s'ok |
| [03:39:00] | medwards: | See now I'm out of my depth |
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| [03:39:19] | medwards: | if lirc is seriously broken I can easily spend a day throwing commands and edits at various things trying to get it up. |
| [03:39:26] | medwards: | I'm afraid of rebooting because of lirc! |
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| [03:39:58] | qfour: | how do you configure which tuner is used for live tv? |
| [03:40:00] | carden: | heh k |
| [03:40:10] | evilDagmar: | You don't |
| [03:40:19] | medwards: | maybe (one of the?) Damar(s?) can help |
| [03:40:22] | evilDagmar: | It'll pick one that's not being used for recording |
| [03:41:00] | evilDagmar: | So, you at least don't have to worry about it breaking a recording without giving you a chance to back off |
| [03:41:32] | evilDagmar: | I've no idea what it does to select between mutliple backends, but I think the theory is that "all backends are created equally" |
| [03:41:50] | medwards: | "some backends are more equal than others"? |
| [03:42:39] | Z-Morek: | ... |
| [03:42:51] | Z-Morek: | oh IRC jokes |
| [03:43:05] | carden: | lets see if re-installing the ~amd64 mythtv will help |
| [03:43:39] | Z-Morek: | I'm beginning to think I need to like, close off all my traffic on my primary rig because it's slowing the hell outta yum |
| [03:43:43] | medwards: | So I'm up trying to creating Ubuntu packages of recent SVN exports of myth |
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| [03:43:49] | ** Z-Morek is saddened ** | |
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| [03:44:08] | medwards: | I have mythtv packages currently being built so I just want to make sure I did it right. |
| [03:44:21] | medwards: | anyone able to compare? |
| [03:44:27] | evilDagmar: | Compare how? |
| [03:44:34] | Z-Morek: | build time?.... |
| [03:44:51] | evilDagmar: | With the exception of trying to chop MythPlugins into sub-packages, they package up pretty easily |
| [03:44:54] | medwards: | ie has done it before so I can make sure I did all the commands right. |
| [03:45:05] | medwards: | well mythtv turns into multiple packages too |
| [03:45:12] | evilDagmar: | I didn't see anything not respecting DESTDIR that I can remember |
| [03:45:15] | medwards: | I mostly ripped off other people's debian control directories. |
| [03:45:22] | Z-Morek: | configure && make && make install ?? |
| [03:45:35] | medwards: | Z-Morek: no I'm creating debs, I wish it was that straightforward |
| [03:45:36] | evilDagmar: | medwards: Well, my Slackware packages are sitting in http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/mythtv |
| [03:46:02] | medwards: | wait a second.. dropline gnome... |
| [03:46:02] | Z-Morek: | slack? hardcore |
| [03:46:24] | medwards: | nm thought dropline was something else. |
| [03:46:32] | evilDagmar: | There's some kinda lame errors in the init scripts I'll have to patch up when then new motherboard gets in, but they should be able to serve as a reference if you're just wanting to count files or something |
| [03:46:42] | medwards: | Yeah, he's like those lumberjacks you never see in civilization... |
| [03:47:05] | medwards: | and then they appear and you're like "Holy crap, he's totally hardcore. But kind of grizzled.. and what is that smell?" |
| [03:47:08] | medwards: | :P |
| [03:47:23] | evilDagmar: | I'm peeved at ZipZoomFly right now because I can't even login to their site to see if maybe I got lucky and they shipped my order already |
| [03:47:26] | medwards: | how long WILL this take to build? |
| [03:47:53] | evilDagmar: | Depends on a lot of things. What CPU you have, which version of gcc you're using, what optimizations you've requested |
| [03:48:18] | medwards: | I can't tell you optimizations. Which I imagine affect it a lot so I won't even waste your time then.. |
| [03:48:21] | medwards: | well.. |
| [03:48:25] | medwards: | I might be able to. |
| [03:48:30] | ** medwards digs thru debian control files ** | |
| [03:49:11] | ** Z-Morek is profoundly dumb ** | |
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| [03:49:36] | evilDagmar: | You don't get the output of the build in realtime? (innocent look) |
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| [03:49:41] | medwards: | nm no -O's I can see.. |
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| [03:56:29] | medwards: | bah |
| [03:56:31] | medwards: | just saw: |
| [03:56:38] | medwards: | 21:50 < evilDagmar> You don't get the output of the build in realtime? (innocent look) |
| [03:56:49] | medwards: | sorry evilDagmar, rookie mistake. I've been out of the world a spell... |
| [03:57:08] | Z-Morek: | out of the world |
| [03:57:13] | Z-Morek: | I can only imagine what that implies |
| [03:58:06] | medwards: | Can I come and be a grizzled smelly lumberjack and learn to be elite again? |
| [03:58:13] | medwards: | Z-Morek: Firefly reference. |
| [03:58:38] | medwards: | In my case working on BS, meaningless, PHP. Haven't had to stretch a single development muscle in nearly a year. |
| [04:00:45] | Z-Morek: | I've never been leet :-( |
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| [04:01:10] | Z-Morek: | but I chopped some wood on a camping trip |
| [04:01:18] | Z-Morek: | not that that is anywhere near relevant to mythtv |
| [04:01:36] | Z-Morek: | but I'd prefer to wait for yum before doing any compiling or installing |
| [04:01:45] | Z-Morek: | and it's on 200/300 packages to update |
| [04:03:13] | medwards: | (I'm referring to evilDagmar who likely has to compile from source quite a bit) |
| [04:03:30] | evilDagmar: | PRactically all the time actually. |
| [04:03:40] | evilDagmar: | This is why I'm so big on telling people to script their builds |
| [04:04:12] | Z-Morek: | que? |
| [04:05:36] | evilDagmar: | If people write a script to build their packages for them instead of trying to freaking do it by hand, the chance that they'll screw up and leave something out when they upgrade drops to nearly nothing |
| [04:06:01] | evilDagmar: | Not to mention that lots of packages build in similar ways, so you can often quickly adapt a script for one package to build a different one. |
| [04:06:33] | evilDagmar: | People just doing ./configure --prefix=/usr && make install are just asking for trouble to occur |
| [04:07:04] | Z-Morek: | yay for me being a nub |
| [04:07:16] | evilDagmar: | ...and it isn't a matter of IF it will be a problem, it's a matter of when it will be a problem. |
| [04:07:20] | Z-Morek: | no wonder I can't get ivtv working |
| [04:07:28] | evilDagmar: | At least it'll make a decent learning experience most of the time |
| [04:08:02] | evilDagmar: | ivtv is easy |
| [04:08:16] | Z-Morek: | yeah I'm toolin around with the docs |
| [04:08:32] | Z-Morek: | I prefer not to ask for help and promptly insert my foot in my mouth |
| [04:08:35] | medwards: | well yeah, but in proper package-managed systems you have to compile from source so rarely that it's a lot of energy for maybe 1–2 compiles. |
| [04:09:08] | Z-Morek: | if there's one thing that the interweb taught me it's to shut your mouth unless you know what you're talking about |
| [04:09:10] | Z-Morek: | so I rarely talk |
| [04:09:23] | medwards: | OK! |
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| [04:09:29] | medwards: | mythfrontend installed locally |
| [04:09:32] | medwards: | a 0.18 frontend |
| [04:09:38] | Z-Morek: | I'll just watch yum upgrade for a while |
| [04:09:38] | medwards: | er |
| [04:09:49] | evilDagmar: | Z-Morek: Believe me man, if you've read docs carefully you wind up asking questions that let people KNOW you've read the docs. That's WAY more likely to get help than anything else |
| [04:09:53] | medwards: | a 0.18 BACKEND, 0.20-svn10688 FE |
| [04:10:04] | medwards: | will probably break but at least I can see if this worked. |
| [04:10:20] | medwards: | uh oh |
| [04:10:22] | Z-Morek: | well see my biggest issue is that I don't even see my capture card in dev |
| [04:10:31] | Z-Morek: | but I figure I just screwed up somewhere |
| [04:10:57] | Z-Morek: | and yum is almost done so I think I'll try building ivtv again in case it was just a missing dependency or something |
| [04:11:03] | medwards: | a lot of 'upgrading schema messages' I wonder if I broke my database |
| [04:11:26] | evilDagmar: | I'mma have a quick soke |
| [04:11:32] | evilDagmar: | s/soke/smoke/ |
| [04:11:33] | medwards: | whiner.. protocol mismatch.. |
| [04:11:38] | evilDagmar: | medwards: Hehe |
| [04:12:50] | medwards: | how can I tell if I have the cool OpenGL menus? |
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| [04:13:03] | medwards: | everything seemed pretty normal... |
| [04:13:14] | evilDagmar: | What "cool OpenGL menus"? |
| [04:13:47] | evilDagmar: | There aren't any flying/singing/dancing text attributes if that's what you're expecting. |
| [04:13:47] | medwards: | something about fading... |
| [04:13:49] | Z-Morek: | anyone care to guide a noob for a sec? |
| [04:14:02] | medwards: | medwards@minister:~/workspace/mythclean$ mythfrontend --version |
| [04:14:07] | medwards: | Library API version: 0.19.20060708–1 |
| [04:14:12] | medwards: | whats up with that line... |
| [04:14:13] | evilDagmar: | The only OpenGL fading I'm aware of is in the slideshow stuff |
| [04:14:19] | medwards: | which is in 0.18 |
| [04:14:23] | medwards: | oh well. |
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| [04:15:56] | medwards: | oh.. has the libmyth API changed substantially since 0.19? maybe its 0.20 code, just the API is pretty much static. |
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| [04:17:20] | Z-Morek: | http://pastebin.ca/120079 I let yum do its business and came back to see this and I'm utterly confused |
| [04:17:33] | Z-Morek: | I'm sure this is something very simple |
| [04:17:45] | Z-Morek: | and irrelevant to the channel |
| [04:19:17] | medwards: | looks like a copy and paste gone wrong.. |
| [04:19:45] | medwards: | did you highlight this text and maybe middle click at some point during the install? |
| [04:19:59] | Z-Morek: | nah man |
| [04:20:04] | medwards: | OH MAN |
| [04:20:06] | medwards: | FADING SCREENS |
| [04:20:09] | medwards: | FUCKING A!!!!!! |
| [04:20:14] | Z-Morek: | could it have to do with the fact that I'm doing it over ssh? |
| [04:20:23] | evilDagmar: | medwards: Which version is this? |
| [04:20:36] | evilDagmar: | Maybe I just don't pay much attention to my display> Heh |
| [04:20:51] | medwards: | 0.20-svn10688 |
| [04:21:03] | medwards: | (the revision number is a rough guess. To be honest I forget :P) |
| [04:21:07] | evilDagmar: | Ah |
| [04:21:37] | Z-Morek: | is there an ivtv channel? |
| [04:21:56] | medwards: | Z-Morek: ? |
| [04:22:07] | evilDagmar: | Z-Morek: Looks like maybe you accidentally mispasted part of the package lists while yum was going |
| [04:22:10] | Z-Morek: | I didn't see it mentioned on the ivtv site |
| [04:22:40] | medwards: | Z-Morek: just type 'yum install kdelibs' and if it says already installed I'd just go about the rest of your task. |
| [04:22:41] | evilDagmar: | "installing package pcmciautils-012–0.FC5.2 needs 394MB on the / filesystem" |
| [04:22:46] | medwards: | wow |
| [04:22:47] | evilDagmar: | 394Mb is a bit much I think. heh |
| [04:23:07] | Z-Morek: | am I better off using kde or gnome for myth |
| [04:23:11] | Z-Morek: | because I think I have both installed |
| [04:23:13] | evilDagmar: | Doesn't matter. |
| [04:23:19] | evilDagmar: | You must have Qt |
| [04:23:20] | Z-Morek: | and it's probably eating space |
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| [04:25:27] | medwards: | yeah I gotta claw back on the services that are running by default in Ubuntu and clean up some wasted space. |
| [04:25:44] | medwards: | I'd die for a decently pruned list of all the Mame ROMS so I could cut out all the extra sets and versions. |
| [04:26:03] | evilDagmar: | You could just stick with the ones for the units you actually own |
| [04:26:58] | medwards: | <.< >.> |
| [04:27:09] | medwards: | eh.. heh.. |
| [04:27:16] | medwards: | (I hate you. :P) |
| [04:27:45] | medwards: | OK, well then I'm just waiting for BSG Season 2 to be in one boxed sets so I can get rid of those episodes. |
| [04:27:48] | medwards: | There, that's legit. |
| [04:28:05] | medwards: | But I still wouldn't mind a pruned list.. for.. research purposes. |
| [04:29:09] | Z-Morek: | I give up again |
| [04:29:23] | Z-Morek: | mythrig downtime 1 week |
| [04:29:44] | Z-Morek: | stubborness at attempting source installs continues |
| [04:30:52] | Z-Morek: | or should I just go back to the atrpms compiles? |
| [04:30:58] | Z-Morek: | and wallow in noobitude |
| [04:31:08] | medwards: | here we go, creating mythplug packages. |
| [04:31:18] | medwards: | Z-Morek: I'm assuming the latest problem isn't related to yum? |
| [04:31:31] | Z-Morek: | my whole rig is full of problems |
| [04:31:36] | Z-Morek: | mostly due to ignorance |
| [04:31:37] | medwards: | lsmod | grep ivtv? |
| [04:31:58] | medwards: | yeah, to be honest I was expecting the whole install process to be much much much smoother under Ubuntu than it actually was. |
| [04:32:13] | Z-Morek: | yeah it shows nothing |
| [04:32:20] | medwards: | modprobe ivtv produces? |
| [04:32:40] | Z-Morek: | FATAL: Error inserting ivtv (/lib/modules/2.6.17–1.2157_FC5/ivtv/ivtv.ko): Operation not permitted |
| [04:32:49] | Z-Morek: | and as root |
| [04:32:51] | medwards: | don't forget to run that as root |
| [04:32:52] | medwards: | oh |
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| [04:33:00] | medwards: | interesting.. |
| [04:33:05] | Z-Morek: | FATAL: Error inserting ivtv (/lib/modules/2.6.17–1.2157_FC5/ivtv/ivtv.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| [04:33:29] | Z-Morek: | when I tried dmesg |
| [04:33:41] | Z-Morek: | it pretty much said everything ivtv tried to do wasn't working |
| [04:34:09] | medwards: | Are you following a HOWTO? |
| [04:34:21] | Z-Morek: | the howto is pretty scarce |
| [04:34:26] | Z-Morek: | I did my best but I probably missed something |
| [04:34:53] | medwards: | Yeah, when things broke as I followed the Ubuntu HOWTO it was where I tried to be whizband elite instead of following the HOWTO |
| [04:36:03] | Z-Morek: | I have a tendency to skip steps not knowing what in the hell I'm doing |
| [04:36:14] | Z-Morek: | thinking that step was for something else |
| [04:36:22] | specialKevin: | hey all, mythfrontend will start but when I watch tv I am unable to change channels, it shows that channel number changed but the picture does not change |
| [04:36:27] | medwards: | this one? |
| [04:36:29] | medwards: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_M . . . _Fedora_Core |
| [04:36:47] | medwards: | specialKevin: it IS showing TV though? |
| [04:37:10] | medwards: | Z-Morek: oh, PVR 250? |
| [04:38:43] | Z-Morek: | yes pvr250 |
| [04:38:56] | specialKevin: | medwards: yea it shows only one channel |
| [04:41:37] | medwards: | OK open up a terminal while watching TV and run ivtv-tune -c # |
| [04:41:48] | Z-Morek: | yay the wiki just tells me to install the precompiled suite |
| [04:41:56] | Z-Morek: | totally defeating my plan of installing from source |
| [04:42:16] | medwards: | Z-Morek: yeah well if it works in FC then I say go for it. It was a real PITA under Ubuntu /w my PVR250. |
| [04:42:32] | Z-Morek: | but my plans are foiled |
| [04:42:40] | medwards: | to enjoy unnecessary pain? |
| [04:42:44] | medwards: | Yes I know, I'm sorry :P |
| [04:42:48] | Z-Morek: | isn't that what leaning linux is all about? |
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| [04:43:06] | medwards: | lol |
| [04:43:09] | medwards: | used to be |
| [04:43:11] | Z-Morek: | doing EVERYTHING in command line |
| [04:43:17] | medwards: | I like it to be nicer to the nuggest now |
| [04:43:42] | specialKevin: | it says bash: ivtv-tune: command not found |
| [04:43:49] | Z-Morek: | I'm going to sleep on it |
| [04:43:51] | medwards: | Mostly because I see Linux as ultimately my revenge on Microsoft and I don't care how much easier it gets just as long as it keeps siphoning market share from Winblows |
| [04:43:58] | medwards: | boo |
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| [04:44:15] | Z-Morek: | I'm tired |
| [04:44:20] | Z-Morek: | and I have community service in the morning |
| [04:44:25] | medwards: | night Z, sorry I can't help that much |
| [04:44:32] | Z-Morek: | hey any help is good help |
| [04:44:41] | medwards: | keep feeding them poor people. They might feed themselves one day. |
| [04:44:48] | Z-Morek: | cats actually |
| [04:45:02] | medwards: | well the cats will probably be able to fend for themselves at least :P |
| [04:45:03] | Z-Morek: | all this from getting busted at a party underage drinking |
| [04:45:08] | medwards: | ROFL |
| [04:45:12] | medwards: | helping cats for that |
| [04:45:14] | Z-Morek: | I'M GOING TO COLLEGE IN THE FALL I NEED TO PRIME MY LIVER! |
| [04:45:19] | medwards: | dude |
| [04:45:21] | prozac: | is there a way to "expire" recording schedules after it successfully records the program? Useful for movies which you only want to record once, ever. |
| [04:45:23] | medwards: | 4 years of Unie under my belt |
| [04:45:31] | medwards: | still clean, it's as easy as saying "Just a coke please" |
| [04:45:47] | Z-Morek: | it's a phase mostly |
| [04:46:40] | Z-Morek: | whatever the case |
| [04:46:51] | Z-Morek: | my mythrig is a little bitch |
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| [04:46:58] | Z-Morek: | I have a distaste for society |
| [04:47:09] | Z-Morek: | and I cower at authority |
| [04:47:22] | Z-Morek: | ooooooh how I love my life |
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| [04:47:24] | medwards: | That's not a phase, thats entry into adult life :P |
| [04:47:43] | Z-Morek: | that's how our society treats alcohol |
| [04:47:49] | medwards: | Anyways, take er easy. When I worked with kids I always liked to say "It's like trying to herd cats!" but now you get to do it! |
| [04:47:58] | Z-Morek: | and they suck |
| [04:48:03] | Z-Morek: | all they do is eat and shit |
| [04:48:11] | Z-Morek: | and I have to clean it all up |
| [04:48:18] | Z-Morek: | peace |
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| [04:50:01] | medwards: | too funny |
| [04:50:13] | medwards: | anyways, trying to find out why you don't have ivtv-tune specialKevin |
| [04:50:49] | medwards: | what distro? |
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| [04:52:54] | medwards: | Anyone familiar with the 0.20 tree? Trying to figure out why mythweb doesn't have a /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/config/conf.php and conf.php.dist files. |
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| [04:53:51] | GreyFoxx: | That doesn't exist in latesty SVN |
| [04:55:23] | medwards: | right. Is that because it's unnecessary or should I copy it in so it's in the package? |
| [04:55:48] | GreyFoxx: | It was removed ~4 months ago |
| [04:56:14] | GreyFoxx: | the config directory no longer exists |
| [04:56:51] | medwards: | OK I'll fix this debian rules file then. |
| [04:56:55] | medwards: | Thanks GreyFoxx |
| [04:56:56] | specialKevin: | medwards: gentoo |
| [04:57:30] | medwards: | You wouldn't happen to know if the genre filter for mythgame works in 0.20? |
| [04:57:57] | specialKevin: | I am working on installing ivtv |
| [04:58:07] | specialKevin: | I had to add an option to my kernel |
| [04:58:11] | medwards: | are you following this? |
| [04:58:13] | medwards: | http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Gentoo |
| [04:58:23] | GreyFoxx: | Genre filter ? |
| [04:58:44] | prozac: | is there a way to "expire" recording schedules after it successfully records the program? Useful for movies which you only want to record once, ever. |
| [04:58:58] | medwards: | yeah, like when you have Mame metadata you can sort by genre |
| [04:59:16] | medwards: | but it's broken in 0.18 (you can't enter the next level of the tree) |
| [04:59:21] | GreyFoxx: | medwards: That works fine |
| [04:59:51] | specialKevin: | medwards: nah but that is what I was doing anyway the ebuild said that I was missing a required kernel option for ivtv so I had to fix that |
| [05:00:05] | GreyFoxx: | Meta data is handled differently now though. there is an SQL data file you pull into your database where mythgame finds all of the rom information |
| [05:00:36] | GreyFoxx: | prozac: They get removed by mythfilldatabase I think |
| [05:01:09] | medwards: | specialKevin: still I would have expected ivtv-tune to be installed as well.. |
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| [05:01:35] | medwards: | Thats the first thing I did when I got ivtv installed (mplayer /dev/video0 and then ivtv -c to test it in another terminal) |
| [05:02:22] | medwards: | GreyFoxx: I'm assuming you're involved in development.. anything menial need to be done in the tree that I could chew on to get started? |
| [05:02:28] | prozac: | greyfoxx: i see, thanks, i guess i'm just being too impatient |
| [05:02:30] | specialKevin: | well if its not a depend of mythtv than it wouldnt get installed |
| [05:03:06] | medwards: | wouldn't emerge ivtv bring it in? I isntalled my ivtv from source (basically) |
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| [05:03:23] | GreyFoxx: | medwards: The wiki could always use more entries, or look over tickets in trac, or find something you want added/improved and have at it :) |
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| [05:03:48] | specialKevin: | yea but the emerge failed b/c I was missing a kernel option |
| [05:03:52] | medwards: | ah |
| [05:04:00] | medwards: | so re-emerge it then? |
| [05:04:06] | medwards: | (You said you fixed that right?) |
| [05:04:17] | specialKevin: | that is what I am working on now |
| [05:04:23] | specialKevin: | my kernel is compiling |
| [05:05:13] | medwards: | GreyFoxx: will do. I'm not ready to look into coding this yet but something that bugs me is I can't filter by genre, artist, year seperately. You have to chain them in the setup screens AFAICT, but I want to be able to dynamically choose how I'm filtering while I'm using a plugin. |
| [05:05:55] | GreyFoxx: | medwards: Which plugin are you referring to ? |
| [05:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythmusic ? |
| [05:06:04] | medwards: | MythMusic and MythGame in 0.18 |
| [05:06:24] | medwards: | I'm going to install 0.20 and see if this has improved, but from a usability standpoint the current setup is a PITA for large collections. |
| [05:06:31] | medwards: | BRB going to break my mythrig |
| [05:06:34] | GreyFoxx: | 0.18 is >1 year, it doesn't exist in my mind :) |
| [05:07:04] | medwards: | lol |
| [05:07:08] | medwards: | stupid Ubuntu Dapper repos |
| [05:07:16] | GreyFoxx: | heck, anything older than 3 months doesn't exist to me heh |
| [05:07:19] | medwards: | OK I'm going to JOIN YOU ON THE CUTTING EDGE |
| [05:07:24] | medwards: | RAAHH!! |
| [05:09:53] | medwards: | Danger will robinson: Dependancy errors |
| [05:10:05] | medwards: | I feel like dealing with this on 1280x1024 and not on my TV |
| [05:10:22] | GreyFoxx: | ssh is your friend |
| [05:12:06] | medwards: | yeah |
| [05:12:15] | medwards: | installed libmyth-dev by accident |
| [05:12:23] | medwards: | now it's whining like a mother****** |
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| [05:13:59] | medwards: | I'll just let it download all these dev packages and I'll promptly remove them along with the libmyth dev package |
| [05:14:45] | prozac: | greyfoxx: i just ran a mythfilldatabase and it didn't seem to remove the old recording schedules that i was hoping it would |
| [05:14:55] | prozac: | is there a switch needed or something? |
| [05:16:24] | medwards: | die dev packages die |
| [05:16:45] | GreyFoxx: | I assume you are referring to scheduled items set to "Record once" right ? |
| [05:17:35] | prozac: | yes, which have already been recorded |
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| [05:19:32] | GreyFoxx: | I just looked, it's the very lastthing it does. |
| [05:20:13] | medwards: | uh oh.. |
| [05:20:18] | medwards: | mythgame is throwing undefined symbol |
| [05:20:20] | GreyFoxx: | as long as you are not passing a --no-delete it should clear them |
| [05:21:35] | medwards: | oh thats why.. no package... strange |
| [05:24:41] | ** GreyFoxx heads to bed ** | |
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| [05:27:38] | medwards: | night GreyFoxx, thanks for the help |
| [05:32:53] | medwards: | crap.. MythGame disappeared and everyones asleep :( |
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| [05:49:01] | WAR_CH|LD: | has anyone gotten a Dvico Fusion HDTV Dual Digital working? |
| [05:49:10] | WAR_CH|LD: | because this stupid thing will not work |
| [05:49:38] | WAR_CH|LD: | doesn't seem to matter what driver version or v4l version or kernel I use |
| [05:49:39] | WAR_CH|LD: | I got nothing |
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| [06:21:07] | radi0head: | Beirdo; Are you here? |
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| [06:30:28] | defaultro: | wow, Dual HDTV Dvico Fusion? How much are those? |
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| [07:41:08] | b8zs: | Anyone had this problem: When I go to the "Schedual Recordings" menu and tell mythtv to record a show, nothing happens.. that show is not listed on the upcoming recordings menu or marked as being recorded on the guide itself. |
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| [07:47:52] | b8zs: | I just checked the "Preview Schedual Changes" and it says "This showing was not recorded because the show does not match the current program listings" |
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| [07:47:58] | b8zs: | hmmm |
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| [09:07:58] | JohnQ: | I am *just* about to build my 1st mythtv machine.. Is there any up/down sides to any particular distro in terms if mythtv friendliness? My preference would be debian, but I could do fedora core if it is somehow preferred for mythtv. |
| [09:09:15] | Merlin83b: | How comfortable are you with building stuff yourself? |
| [09:09:21] | JohnQ: | completely |
| [09:09:30] | Merlin83b: | Debian will do fine :-) |
| [09:09:41] | JohnQ: | righty-o thanks :-) |
| [09:11:19] | JohnQ: | Also... I havent actually got a video capture card yet... (gonna go buy one tomorrow). Any reason I should wait before installing the mythtv packages? |
| [09:12:02] | Merlin83b: | Nope, give it a go now :-) |
| [09:13:06] | JohnQ: | And... last question before I dive into the install... any reccomendations on vid capture cards? The CPU is a Athalon 2600+, so I am not thinking hardware mpeg-2 is VITAL... but it would be nice. |
| [09:14:11] | Merlin83b: | You're in America? |
| [09:14:16] | JohnQ: | indeed. |
| [09:14:38] | Merlin83b: | I think Hauppauge WinTV PVR cards are recommended, but am not sure. |
| [09:14:44] | JohnQ: | I was thinking about one of those Hauppauge cards.. |
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| [09:14:48] | JohnQ: | good :-) |
| [09:14:52] | Merlin83b: | Morning Juski |
| [09:15:15] | Juski: | morning Merlin83b |
| [09:18:04] | JohnQ: | I see that the FAQ says "NOTE: Due to the requirement for Qt 3.2+, there are no packages for Debian woody/stable." ... is that still true? or is the FAQ outdated? |
| [09:20:45] | Juski: | when was the faq last updated? |
| [09:21:05] | JohnQ: | I wish I knew ;-) |
| [09:23:32] | Juski: | I'm sure there'll be packages for Qt3 in Debian by now ;-) |
| [09:24:14] | JohnQ: | That was my feeling as well... but I always like to check when I am about to do something expressly outlawed in the FAQ ... :) |
| [09:24:42] | Juski: | which faq? |
| [09:25:01] | JohnQ: | the one at http://www.mythtv.org |
| [09:25:19] | JohnQ: | section 3.2 |
| [09:25:26] | Juski: | try the wiki instead |
| [09:25:50] | s_g_robertson: | juski:Just a quick tahnks for your pointer in the direction on MiniMyth the other day. It is a very smart system. |
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| [09:29:48] | JohnQ: | Dang. Thats what I get for having my keyboards too close. |
| [09:30:16] | JohnQ: | Tried to reboot machine A, and machine B happily reboots (Which was my firewall machine) Sigh. |
| [09:31:42] | otwin: | JohnQ: are really paning to use woody? current stable is sarge and comes with qt 3.3.4 |
| [09:31:55] | JohnQ: | Im going to use stable. |
| [09:33:18] | Juski: | why's the more unstable one called woody anyway? is that because of the excitement it causes? :-P |
| [09:33:35] | JohnQ: | I forgot that stable wasnt woody anymore. It was last time I did a debian install. |
| [09:33:56] | JohnQ: | Theyre all named after toy story chars. |
| [09:34:20] | otwin: | woody is the old stable – 3.0 |
| [09:34:25] | Juski: | ah |
| [09:34:59] | otwin: | forgot what the current unstable is called... |
| [09:35:14] | Juski: | either way it sounds like the faq is way out of date |
| [09:35:22] | JohnQ: | unstable is *always* sid. Because... sid is unstable :-) |
| [09:36:08] | otwin: | aah – never saw toy story :-) |
| [09:36:21] | JohnQ: | I'm not sure who the testing is these days though. |
| [09:37:04] | otwin: | just checked – it's called 'etch' |
| [09:37:12] | JohnQ: | Ah yes |
| [09:37:36] | JohnQ: | I probably knew that somewhere in my head. |
| [09:38:26] | JohnQ: | Last time I was installing debian it was potato (stable), woody (testing), and, of course, sid. |
| [09:38:42] | JohnQ: | wow. that was forever ago. |
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| [09:47:45] | JohnQ: | JFS or XFS for the video storage partition? |
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| [09:49:40] | JohnQ: | Or does it even matter? |
| [09:52:11] | evilDagmar: | !@#!##!@##$%@ |
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| [09:52:51] | evilDagmar: | Damnit I heard on the radio this weekend that AMD was dropping the prices on their high end stuff, and I completely forgot when I was order the new motherboard, CPU and RAM for the mythTV box |
| [09:53:12] | evilDagmar: | Freaking AMD64 dual core 3800's are $150 now |
| [09:54:20] | evilDagmar: | I should have just gotten the AM2 version, a couple of sticks of RAM, and took the guts out of my gaming rig to replace the Myth box with |
| [09:55:48] | ** evilDagmar bangs his head on Pricewatch. ** | |
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| [10:17:03] | Juski: | am I still connected? :-| |
| [10:17:09] | Juski: | yup :) |
| [10:17:26] | evilDagmar: | Do you see that Juski? |
| [10:17:53] | evilDagmar: | I'm frantically trying to figure out a way to login to ZipZoomFly right now to cancel the order I made last night and add some new stuff |
| [10:18:07] | evilDagmar: | Jesus a 3800 X2 for $150 |
| [10:18:34] | Juski: | bet they're not that cheap inthe UK (you bastards) |
| [10:18:53] | evilDagmar: | Dude this isn't a regional thing |
| [10:19:00] | JohnQ: | does mythtv use apache for something? |
| [10:19:03] | evilDagmar: | AMD and Intel just slashed the hell out of their upper end CPU prices |
| [10:19:07] | evilDagmar: | MythWeb can use it |
| [10:19:12] | Juski: | JohnQ: yeah mythweb |
| [10:19:23] | JohnQ: | control mythtv remotely or something? |
| [10:19:33] | Juski: | JohnQ: see the wiki entry about mythweb |
| [10:19:54] | evilDagmar: | Juski: All the online vendors have the Athlon64 3800 (single core) for about $145 and the Athlon64 dual core X2 3800 for $150 right now, if that tells you how hard they just slashed prices |
| [10:20:07] | Juski: | nifty |
| [10:20:13] | evilDagmar: | Hmm... "For a mere $5 more, WE'll THROW IN DOUBLE THE PROCESSING POWER!" |
| [10:20:24] | Juski: | could be a good way to spend a work bonus :) |
| [10:20:54] | evilDagmar: | Dropping $100 on my desktop to *double it's power* is something I can write off in my normal upgrades budget |
| [10:21:22] | evilDagmar: | I can just drop this CPU into my current ASRock 939dual-SATA2 board and run with it. No need to change the RAM or anything. |
| [10:21:48] | Juski: | that's the rub for me – I'd need a new board, new VGA card, new RAM... |
| [10:21:53] | evilDagmar: | Then all I have to do is get a new motherboard that's a 939-pin board and some RAM for my MythTV box, which I was already spending money on |
| [10:22:43] | evilDagmar: | Juski: Seriously consider this ASrock line. Apparently now they have a slightly newer one that goes a step better than just having PCI Express and AGP8X ports. They've added a second PCI Express port and SLI capability |
| [10:22:53] | evilDagmar: | It's teh upgrade madness! |
| [10:22:54] | evilDagmar: | Heh |
| [10:23:22] | evilDagmar: | I don't think I'm going to have to replace this board unless it bursts into flames, or I go over like 4.5Ghz or something |
| [10:23:24] | Juski: | evilDagmar: pah.. SLI. One video card is enough for a non-ricer like me :) |
| [10:23:42] | evilDagmar: | I'm just thinkign abotu how much faster I'll be able to compile stuff |
| [10:24:02] | evilDagmar: | I'm not a ricer, but there is a degree to which recompiling things like Evolution and Xorg to test new patches GETS REALLY ANNOYING |
| [10:25:00] | evilDagmar: | ...and if I actually move this Athlon64 3200+ out into the MythTV box, there'll be enough parity to actually bother with distcc for a change |
| [10:25:35] | Juski: | distcc is the only way to compile on the xbox |
| [10:25:40] | evilDagmar: | hehehe |
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| [11:06:37] | JohnQ: | does it matter if I use xorg or xfree86? |
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| [11:09:46] | Juski: | in theory, no |
| [11:09:59] | JohnQ: | ... and in practice? :-) |
| [11:10:21] | Juski: | I dunno. I always thought xfree86 was deprecated |
| [11:10:47] | Juski: | now I just treat it like it doesn't exist at all :-) |
| [11:11:37] | ** Merlin83b comments all over Juski's blog. ** | |
| [11:12:07] | ** Juski looks ** | |
| [11:12:25] | evilDagmar: | In practice unless you have like an ancient Trident or Weitek card that barely does color at all, you want Xorg |
| [11:14:18] | Juski: | athlon 64 x2 3800+ =100 quids. that bloody $ ==1 1 GBP thing again.. ggrrr |
| [11:16:41] | Juski: | evilDagmar: that'd be $198 US. almost twice as much as the price you cited earlier. robbery! |
| [11:18:23] | Juski: | Merlin83b: very funny btw |
| [11:18:41] | Juski: | someone else is working on mythmusic, so why would I reinvent the wheel? :-P |
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| [11:20:49] | Merlin83b: | Heh. |
| [11:22:29] | Juski: | that reminds me actually... |
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| [11:24:07] | evilDagmar: | Juski: Give it another day or so for the prices to trickle down the rest of the way |
| [11:24:27] | evilDagmar: | ...and $198USD is not twice $150USD by any stretch. |
| [11:25:46] | Juski: | whoops |
| [11:25:51] | Juski: | monday maths :) |
| [11:28:18] | [pyro]: | anyone know of a mini atx mb that supports an opteron 248? |
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| [11:29:09] | pg_: | hi |
| [11:29:30] | pg_: | i need a way, to share my videos and pic. from one lnx box to other computers in my lan. is mythtv able to do that? |
| [11:29:45] | Juski: | pg_: no |
| [11:29:56] | pg_: | hmm |
| [11:30:02] | Juski: | but nfs is able to. so is samba |
| [11:30:04] | pg_: | can you suggest me such a software |
| [11:30:15] | pg_: | na, i d like to stram |
| [11:30:15] | pg_: | *stream |
| [11:30:28] | pg_: | not transfer the video for watching it |
| [11:30:43] | Juski: | !trout pg_ 'read the wiki' |
| [11:30:44] | ** MythLogBot slaps pg_ with a 'read the wiki' trout on behalf of Juski... ** | |
| [11:31:29] | Juski: | what you mean is.. can you have other mythfrontends connected to a mythbackend and play recorded videos? course you can |
| [11:32:02] | Juski: | but you'll have to use nfs or samba to share photos |
| [11:32:04] | pg_: | yeah |
| [11:32:11] | pg_: | i guess i mean that^^ |
| [11:32:34] | pg_: | so with the backend you mean a server, which streams the vid to the frontent (clients), right? |
| [11:32:47] | Juski: | videos (mythvideo), audio (mythmusic) and photos (mythgallery) will need NFS or samba |
| [11:33:19] | pg_: | and then i still need to download the vid? |
| [11:33:31] | Juski: | why the fuck do people see this channel as a replacement for reading the fucking documentation? |
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| [11:34:01] | otwin: | lol |
| [11:34:51] | gardengnome: | well, actually it's sad. |
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| [11:39:34] | juski: | arghhhh! |
| [11:40:17] | juski: | yeah so why do people see this channel as the alternative to documentation hmm? |
| [11:49:13] | evilDagmar: | We dont' abuse them enough. |
| [11:50:06] | gardengnome: | because people think (innocently) 'oh look there's a chatroom where i can ask those guys some questions". without remembering how f'ing annoying it is. |
| [11:50:41] | evilDagmar: | "If I ask them and they tell me, I won't hav 2 reed n3thin!!!!@#!@" |
| [11:50:59] | evilDagmar: | yes! order successfully cancelled |
| [11:51:30] | evilDagmar: | Now when I get home I can spend some quality time comparing parts and maybe still get a motherboard with a reasonably roomy BIOS |
| [11:51:47] | JohnQ: | hmm is the myth frontend supposed to have a window decoration bar at the top of it? |
| [11:52:05] | juski: | JohnQ: if run in 'run mythfrontend in a window' mode |
| [11:52:11] | evilDagmar: | Not unless you've told it to run in a window |
| [11:52:12] | juski: | otherwise no |
| [11:52:15] | evilDagmar: | ...which is not the default. |
| [11:52:18] | gardengnome: | JohnQ: not really. maybe if you enable "run in windowed mode" (or so, it's int the appearance settings) |
| [11:52:34] | JohnQ: | I havent... but I still have one :-/ |
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| [11:52:53] | juski: | anyway i feel better for having had a yell. it's been building up for a while |
| [11:53:44] | juski: | gee, if I ever had to depend on user support as a source of income... (shudder) |
| [11:54:06] | evilDagmar: | You'd still make a damn fortune, but they'd probably call you "The Linux Nazi" |
| [11:54:14] | evilDagmar: | ...only behind your back, of course. |
| [11:54:46] | gardengnome: | hahahaha |
| [11:55:24] | gardengnome: | i was thinking how we coudl turn this channel into a source of income, actually ;). maybe personalized user support via queries or something ;) |
| [11:55:41] | juski: | well, looking on the bright side I didn't use the word 'fucktard' this time |
| [11:56:03] | JohnQ: | matbe twm is overriding it or somthing.. time to try a different window manager |
| [11:56:28] | juski: | JohnQ: I had that with twm |
| [11:56:29] | gardengnome: | fluxbox... |
| [11:56:46] | JohnQ: | never used fluxbox. Nice ans simple? |
| [11:56:52] | juski: | can't remember what I went for in the end... maybe it was evilwm |
| [11:57:02] | juski: | evil by name... |
| [11:59:47] | JohnQ: | ah yes. fluxbox is nice. |
| [11:59:51] | tjcarter: | meh |
| [12:00:01] | tjcarter: | I like a stripped down wmaker better. |
| [12:00:11] | tjcarter: | juski: I have evil plans! |
| [12:05:00] | tjcarter: | juski: UbunTV! |
| [12:05:25] | ** juski resolves to NEVER answer questions that can be addressed by someone reading the FAQ ** | |
| [12:05:52] | tjcarter: | juski: respond with URL to FAQ question =) |
| [12:06:04] | gardengnome: | juski: make an alias in your client – /rtfm $nick ;) |
| [12:06:13] | tjcarter: | lol |
| [12:06:31] | JohnQ: | Hmm My Program Guide seems to be empty... but I did add a "video source" using datadirect, and it was able to identify the listing... and I ran the script in the cron.daily... |
| [12:06:46] | gardengnome: | tjcarter: are you gonna create a new distro? |
| [12:07:09] | gardengnome: | JohnQ: and you forgot to go to step 4 – "input connections"? |
| [12:07:27] | JohnQ: | Nothing listed there. |
| [12:07:49] | gardengnome: | JohnQ: did you define a capture card? |
| [12:07:57] | tjcarter: | gardengnome: nah, I'm going to take stable Ubuntu, update the kernel (hopefully with no modification to existing Ubuntu 2.6.17 if possible, just making it the one that gets used), add ivtv drivers, etc, and try to see if I can build an Ubuntu live/install CD that is tuned for Myth |
| [12:08:21] | gardengnome: | tjcarter: nice. go for it :) i still hope the knoppmyth guys are gonna switch over to ubuntu soon |
| [12:08:23] | tjcarter: | gardengnome: adding deb http://hamsta.net/mythtv/files/dapper ./ to repository list |
| [12:08:24] | JohnQ: | Hmm.. havent actually purchaced one of those just yet... was going to verify that I could see the program listing before I sent out and spent any $$. |
| [12:08:35] | tjcarter: | gardengnome: wanna help? ;) |
| [12:09:07] | JohnQ: | So I'm guessing that I have gone as far as I am able w/o a video capture card then. |
| [12:09:20] | juski: | lol |
| [12:09:26] | gardengnome: | tjcarter: don't have time at the moment, but i have to admit it's one of my "dreams" to create a mythtv-distro based on ubuntu. i was looking into using their oem installer stuff, but then you can't be flexible about partition tables i think. |
| [12:09:30] | tjcarter: | JohnQ: probably. |
| [12:09:45] | tjcarter: | JohnQ: program guide data is last of your worries, just go buy a WinTV-PVR card |
| [12:10:12] | gardengnome: | !trout johnq you-know-why |
| [12:10:12] | ** MythLogBot slaps johnq with a you-know-why trout on behalf of gardengnome... ** | |
| [12:10:15] | tjcarter: | gardengnome: there's one thing about debian-installer is that you can tweak the crap out of it to do anything |
| [12:10:23] | gardengnome: | tjcarter: yep :) |
| [12:10:40] | tjcarter: | JohnQ: Buy a WinTV-PVR 250 if you want to KNOW it will work. |
| [12:11:09] | tjcarter: | JohnQ: Buy a WinTV-PVR 150 if you don't mind having to poke it with a stick a few times to get the tuner to behave. (Mine still doesn't totally..) |
| [12:11:18] | JohnQ: | Ya.. Id like to verify that this machine is "adequate" for the task.. and that I wont need a new video card etc... |
| [12:11:30] | tjcarter: | JohnQ: Buy a WinTV-PVR 500 if you want two tuners. 150 instructions apply. |
| [12:11:36] | JohnQ: | I was thinking of the 2-in-1 one. |
| [12:11:37] | tjcarter: | specs? |
| [12:11:43] | gardengnome: | tjcarter: do you know if the graphical ubuntu installer is in any way related to the debian-installer, ie uses the same config files -> can be easily customized? |
| [12:11:57] | tjcarter: | gardengnome: I really hate GUI installers. |
| [12:12:16] | gardengnome: | tjcarter: i prefer cli, too, but it's nice to have. |
| [12:12:26] | JohnQ: | Thats exactly why I want to test it.. it's kind of a franken-machine. amd athlon 2600+ video card is some ATI I had laying about... 512 Mb ram.. |
| [12:13:08] | tjcarter: | JohnQ: your CPU is fine. Your video card is fine, but would be better currently if you had an NV 5200U or anything up to like a 6600 or so |
| [12:13:28] | tjcarter: | 7x00 cards apparently don't support xv or something, so don't waste the money. |
| [12:13:40] | tjcarter: | RAM? |
| [12:13:56] | JohnQ: | Radeon R200 QL it says.. |
| [12:14:00] | JohnQ: | half a gig |
| [12:14:22] | tjcarter: | half of RAM, okay. HD devoted to /myth ? |
| [12:14:35] | JohnQ: | "Raedon 8500 LE" is in there too... dont know much about this card. |
| [12:14:41] | JohnQ: | Yeah 100Gig of JFS |
| [12:14:45] | ** tjcarter suggests /myth over other things you could do ** | |
| [12:14:59] | JohnQ: | its /mythdata but yeah. |
| [12:14:59] | tjcarter: | okay, sufficient if not overly large. |
| [12:15:16] | tjcarter: | That Radeon card will support xv for sure |
| [12:15:19] | JohnQ: | I happened to have the drive sitting around ;-) |
| [12:15:32] | JohnQ: | any way to be sure? |
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| [12:15:48] | tjcarter: | yeah, run mplayer with -vo xv |
| [12:16:14] | JohnQ: | righty-o ... gonna install mplayer now ... :) |
| [12:16:37] | tjcarter: | gardengnome: main thing is the need for a non-US host for the isos.. |
| [12:16:50] | tjcarter: | gardengnome: The thing is gonna have DVD support, dammit! |
| [12:16:52] | juski: | hmm i wonder why that'd be.... |
| [12:17:38] | tjcarter: | well okay, it can just fetch w32codecs and libdvdcss from another server |
| [12:17:54] | juski: | that's all they do now |
| [12:18:06] | tjcarter: | but ideally I don't want the thing to break if one or other moves |
| [12:18:18] | tjcarter: | this happened to w32codecs not long ago |
| [12:18:40] | juski: | people should stop using w32codecs. remove the need ;) |
| [12:18:57] | tjcarter: | not sure that's 100% doable. |
| [12:19:04] | juski: | why not? |
| [12:19:25] | tjcarter: | mplayer doesn't support quite everything w32codecs does yet |
| [12:19:30] | juski: | because there are still to many people using divx & wmv? screw them |
| [12:19:45] | tjcarter: | hey, I use divx |
| [12:19:58] | juski: | hey i don't |
| [12:19:59] | juski: | :) |
| [12:20:03] | tjcarter: | of course, I make it without the codecs on a Mac, but still |
| [12:20:06] | gardengnome: | <3xvid |
| [12:20:32] | juski: | well I'm gonna STFU for a while & get some work done |
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| [12:20:40] | tjcarter: | and you don't always have a choice for realplayer, wmv, etc |
| [12:23:38] | JohnQ: | mplayer didnt die when I used -vo xv but it also didnt say any encouraging things like "using xv" or anything. but the video DID play.. nice and responsive. Only problem I see is.... no audio! |
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| [12:28:07] | JohnQ: | Anyone ever heard of a "Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 80)."? |
| [12:31:33] | tjcarter: | yeah |
| [12:32:08] | tjcarter: | modprobe snd_via82xx |
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| [12:32:34] | JohnQ: | ya... still no joy. |
| [12:32:48] | tjcarter: | Hamsta: BTW, thanks for your packages =) |
| [12:32:55] | JohnQ: | it loaded the module.. but no sound still :-/ |
| [12:32:58] | Hamsta: | np :-) |
| [12:32:59] | tjcarter: | Hamsta: I am pondering evil... UbunTV ;) |
| [12:33:15] | tjcarter: | JohnQ: now run alsamixer and unmute crap ;) |
| [12:33:45] | JohnQ: | "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" |
| [12:33:58] | tjcarter: | you sure the module loaded? |
| [12:34:25] | JohnQ: | ya... shows up in lsmod... dmesg says it found the card. |
| [12:34:53] | tjcarter: | do you also have snd_pcm ? |
| [12:35:18] | JohnQ: | not in lsmod.. lemme find it |
| [12:35:45] | tjcarter: | do you have something like /etc/init.d/asound ? |
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| [12:36:07] | tjcarter: | you need snd_pcm too =) |
| [12:36:21] | Rambo3: | any chess game for mythtv |
| [12:36:21] | JohnQ: | I have /etc/init.d/alsa but no asound. and I dont see a snd_pcm anywhere |
| [12:37:06] | Rambo3: | .acoundrc or cr |
| [12:37:06] | tjcarter: | alsa |
| [12:37:06] | tjcarter: | run /etc/init.d/alsa start |
| [12:37:32] | JohnQ: | "Setting up ALSA...done (not loaded)." |
| [12:37:39] | Rambo3: | JohnQ what sound card are you using |
| [12:38:11] | JohnQ: | its a built-in AC97 thingy. Via 686a/8233/8235 |
| [12:39:48] | Rambo3: | that shouldent be a problem does sudo modprobe snd-yourdriver give any errors |
| [12:40:25] | JohnQ: | nope |
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| [12:41:10] | JohnQ: | dmesg says it finds the card just fine. .. the only thing that isnt encouraging is the "ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: ALG64 (Unknown)" |
| [12:41:10] | Rambo3: | can you bring it up with buggy flag |
| [12:41:38] | JohnQ: | not familiar with that trick. |
| [12:41:55] | Rambo3: | buggy_semaphore=1 |
| [12:42:19] | JohnQ: | no difference |
| [12:42:48] | Rambo3: | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=via8233 |
| [12:46:26] | JohnQ: | Hmm.. nothing diferent there. I think I am going to upgrade my kernel and install the newer alsa modules and see if that brings me any joy |
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| [12:47:33] | tjcarter: | gotta go, gluck JohnQ |
| [12:47:48] | JohnQ: | is an athlon best describves as a i686 or a K7? |
| [12:47:50] | JohnQ: | thanks! |
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| [13:25:16] | JohnQ: | I got it to find my soundcard... mplayer sees it, alsa sees it, but no sound comes out of it. (yes, the mixer is unmuted). |
| [13:26:14] | scopeuk: | is the speaker lead conencted and in the right socket |
| [13:26:19] | scopeuk: | and are the speakers switched on |
| [13:26:32] | JohnQ: | headphones... but yes |
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| [13:26:49] | scopeuk: | ok |
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| [13:27:08] | scopeuk: | have yo ugot your sound output configured for the correct device |
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| [13:27:24] | JohnQ: | I think I only have the one device.. |
| [13:27:49] | scopeuk: | somone droped by yesterday and there soundcard wasent at /dev/dsp |
| [13:28:02] | JohnQ: | alsa-init: 1 soundcard found, using: default |
| [13:28:06] | scopeuk: | ok |
| [13:28:20] | scopeuk: | which channels have you got turned up in the mixer? |
| [13:28:49] | JohnQ: | all of them.. out of frustration. |
| [13:29:06] | scopeuk: | you sure you un muted them and havent acidentaly muted them all? |
| [13:29:38] | JohnQ: | yeah.. they say [off] if you mute them.. and the volume bar goes blank... none are muted |
| [13:30:34] | scopeuk: | hmm |
| [13:30:46] | scopeuk: | can you cat some.wav | /dev/dsp |
| [13:31:00] | JohnQ: | hmm |
| [13:31:00] | scopeuk: | cat some.wav | /dev/dsp |
| [13:31:07] | JohnQ: | lemme find a wav. |
| [13:31:08] | scopeuk: | does it produce any output |
| [13:31:14] | scopeuk: | well you can do it with anything |
| [13:31:19] | scopeuk: | will jsut sound nasty |
| [13:31:47] | JohnQ: | cat vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ... no sound |
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| [13:32:16] | scopeuk: | hmm whould sugest that the sound device is hiding somewhere else to me |
| [13:32:22] | scopeuk: | but im far fro man expert on this |
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| [13:33:40] | JohnQ: | hmm. this is a little unnerving. |
| [13:34:11] | scopeuk: | ? |
| [13:35:34] | tonibottos: | Hi to all..i'm new to IRC world so sorry if i don't respect the IRC etiquette! |
| [13:36:36] | tonibottos: | I would like to make some modifications to the database, so is there any link to the db structure? |
| [13:36:59] | stuarta: | tonibottos: short answer, no |
| [13:37:10] | stuarta: | you get it by looking at the db |
| [13:37:50] | scopeuk: | stuarta can you give JohnQ a hand with his alsa being a git issue |
| [13:37:56] | scopeuk: | ive kidna exhausted my knolage |
| [13:38:52] | stuarta: | don't know that i've much (if anything) to add... |
| [13:39:03] | scopeuk: | ok fair enough |
| [13:39:07] | stuarta: | JohnQ: summary: no sound? |
| [13:39:16] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [13:39:25] | scopeuk: | no output all channels are un muted and turned up |
| [13:39:28] | stuarta: | 1st or 2nd sound card? |
| [13:40:02] | tonibottos: | thank you stuarta: |
| [13:40:41] | tonibottos: | i think that i will look into it with phpmyadmin... |
| [13:40:45] | stuarta: | okay, stupid question, is there any info in the frontend logs regarding success or failure opening /dev/dsp? |
| [13:41:03] | stuarta: | tonibottos: or mysqladmin, good to see the structure... |
| [13:41:40] | tonibottos: | yes..i need to launch a apt-get to see what comes first ;-) |
| [13:42:57] | scopeuk: | id normally install phpmyadin by jsut droping the files into a folder in my web root (gettign the files off source forge |
| [13:42:57] | scopeuk: | ) |
| [13:43:20] | stuarta: | scopeuk: have we looked at frontend log files with JohnQ |
| [13:43:33] | scopeuk: | no we havent |
| [13:43:42] | scopeuk: | it wasent workign with mplayer eitehr though |
| [13:44:01] | stuarta: | it's possible that something already has control of /dev/dsp and won't give it back.... |
| [13:44:16] | scopeuk: | you got jack installed? |
| [13:44:37] | stuarta: | i personally have, but don't have it active. |
| [13:44:54] | scopeuk: | im thinking of JohnQ |
| [13:45:07] | ** stuarta pokes JohnQ ** | |
| [13:50:52] | stuarta: | !trout evolution buggy |
| [13:50:52] | ** MythLogBot slaps evolution with a buggy trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
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| [13:51:04] | tonibottos: | i think that i can't login from different machine...only localhost enable... |
| [13:51:44] | stuarta: | tunnel it with ssh then *shrug* |
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| [13:54:18] | JohnQ: | grr.. Just tested the headphones, which work... so thats one less pissibility |
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| [13:58:13] | JohnQ: | I wonder if there's a jumper I am forgetting on the Mobo or something... |
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| [13:58:43] | stuarta: | JohnQ: so it works with headphones in the headphone out or the speaker out? |
| [13:59:36] | JohnQ: | neither... the headphones work when attached to my ipod, or a different machine. this machine seems to make no noise whatsoever. |
| [13:59:56] | scopeuk: | did you remove hte retention jumpers from the front audio header? |
| [14:00:02] | scopeuk: | becosue ive see nthat do this before |
| [14:00:36] | JohnQ: | I have the motherboard a good look ... but didnt see anything. I'll try again in a minute. |
| [14:00:50] | scopeuk: | wheck the front pannel audio conenction |
| [14:01:12] | JohnQ: | no front panel audio.. its in the back.. and connected directly to the motherboard. |
| [14:01:14] | scopeuk: | there should be some coneection between left and left retention adn right and right retention |
| [14:01:37] | scopeuk: | JohnQ what im sayign is there are jumpers that must stay on the front pannel connection or this cna happen |
| [14:02:12] | JohnQ: | Oh.. i see. As in.. since I dont have a front panel. I need to short it so that it will use the back? |
| [14:02:24] | scopeuk: | yes |
| [14:02:35] | scopeuk: | normally left and left retention and right and right retention |
| [14:02:39] | JohnQ: | okiedoke. gonna crack the case open once again :-) |
| [14:03:18] | stuarta: | you put the case on without everything the way you want it??? wow.... |
| [14:03:29] | ** stuarta has a half naked computer ** | |
| [14:03:59] | scopeuk: | optomism stuarta its something i lack as well |
| [14:04:31] | stuarta: | i did have it fully assembled, but it was getting a bit hot the other week... |
| [14:05:24] | stuarta: | my hdd's hit 53c so drastic action was required. |
| [14:05:52] | scopeuk: | ouch |
| [14:06:11] | stuarta: | indeed |
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| [14:36:48] | JohnQ: | when I run the front end, I should be logged in as mythtv, yes? |
| [14:37:11] | stuarta: | doesn't matter |
| [14:37:26] | stuarta: | so long as it's not root |
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| [14:39:14] | threat: | hey |
| [14:39:36] | threat: | I would like to setup a mythtv box, what are some recommended requirements? |
| [14:39:55] | scopeuk: | threat your gonna need to give us more data |
| [14:40:00] | scopeuk: | how many tuners |
| [14:40:09] | scopeuk: | how much do you wana store |
| [14:40:13] | scopeuk: | digital or anlog |
| [14:40:14] | ** stuarta considers the use of sticky tape in myth box assembly ** | |
| [14:40:16] | scopeuk: | cable or ota |
| [14:40:33] | stuarta: | SD or HD |
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| [14:41:35] | threat: | scopeuk, oh, well I havn't bought any tuners yet, or a dedicated box for it |
| [14:41:43] | threat: | I probably want at least one tuner of corse :) |
| [14:41:46] | threat: | digital |
| [14:41:59] | scopeuk: | sd or hd? |
| [14:42:03] | stuarta: | which country? |
| [14:42:04] | threat: | and analog, depending if that is recomended or not |
| [14:42:06] | threat: | AU |
| [14:42:08] | threat: | SD |
| [14:42:19] | threat: | but I think there is a few HD channels |
| [14:42:20] | stuarta: | AU has HD as well |
| [14:42:33] | threat: | yeah, not on all channels though or shows |
| [14:43:07] | stuarta: | though desirable when available.... |
| [14:43:28] | threat: | true |
| [14:43:44] | threat: | also, is hardware de/encoder a good idea? |
| [14:44:12] | stuarta: | not needed for digital (DVB) |
| [14:44:16] | threat: | or will it be cheaper to buy a better CPU then to buy a hardware en.decoder |
| [14:44:29] | threat: | oh |
| [14:44:37] | threat: | that is MPEGv4? |
| [14:44:42] | stuarta: | however, a video card with good XVmc is useful for assisting playback. |
| [14:45:00] | stuarta: | normally mpeg2 |
| [14:45:46] | tonibottos: | ..i can connect to the mysql db but mysql admin has no feature to reverse engineer the db and get the schema... |
| [14:46:18] | tonibottos: | ..so my question is: Is it opssiel to have more than one mythtv pc in my lan all with different configuration? |
| [14:46:24] | stuarta: | though some of the HD transmissions aren't in mpeg2 or are in codings that can't be accelerated at the moment |
| [14:46:28] | threat: | stuarta, what do you recommend? NVIDIA? VIA? ATI? |
| [14:46:51] | scopeuk: | tonibottos if i understand you correctly yes |
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| [14:47:11] | threat: | I would probaby go with NVIDIA since it has nice 3d drivers, but what do you recommend for watching TV? :) |
| [14:47:32] | scopeuk: | nividia becouse the hardware acceleration for scaling tc wiorks well |
| [14:47:40] | scopeuk: | 5200 up rearly |
| [14:47:43] | tonibottos: | with the current db structure? eg. i wanto that mythtv1 has one theme and the browser but muthtv2 has diferent theme and no browser |
| [14:47:45] | scopeuk: | no oint in using one of the monsters though |
| [14:48:01] | scopeuk: | tonibottos i belvie that is possible |
| [14:48:06] | stuarta: | tonibottos: 2 frontends? |
| [14:48:11] | threat: | why are you using a database for? |
| [14:48:20] | threat: | tonibottos, |
| [14:48:32] | tonibottos: | in my understanding all the configuration are stored in the db or not? |
| [14:48:38] | stuarta: | yes |
| [14:49:07] | stuarta: | describe what you wish to acheive? |
| [14:49:14] | tonibottos: | ok.. |
| [14:50:04] | tonibottos: | ..i would like to have 2 different configuration because i have 2 different pc, one laptop with dvb-t and adesktop with dvb-s and other hardware |
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| [14:50:31] | tonibottos: | keeping all configuratin in one point..ie the mysql db |
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| [14:51:45] | stuarta: | do you ever wish to physically separate the machines? like take the laptop to the office? |
| [14:53:36] | tonibottos: | it could be...i think that i need only to open port 3306 in my home router or am i missing something? |
| [14:54:12] | tonibottos: | sorry mysql db in on a different pc from the mythtv machines |
| [14:54:49] | stuarta: | the location the mysql db is merely configuration..... |
| [14:55:10] | tonibottos: | ..ok.. |
| [14:55:46] | tonibottos: | ..so do you think that mythtv support my needings out of the box? or i need to customize it? |
| [14:56:15] | stuarta: | i'd say you should look into a master/slave setup. with the desktop as the master & laptop as a slave. |
| [14:56:29] | tonibottos: | sorry but i'm not able to get the schema of db..i see a alot of tables but without scheam is diffiutl to understand all th erelation between them |
| [14:57:38] | tonibottos: | this is a new concept for me...master&slave..what is the difference between a pc set up as master and the one setup as slave? |
| [14:58:40] | scopeuk: | eg the laptop whould be bale to be removed and the desktop whould continue to work fully |
| [14:58:57] | scopeuk: | the master stores recordings and takes precidence for recordings |
| [14:59:06] | scopeuk: | the other system isjsut used when it is avaliable |
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| [15:02:59] | tonibottos: | so it is not possible to have more than one mythtv "master" connected to the mysql server? |
| [15:06:13] | scopeuk: | they can be equa but you cant have a system that can be takn away and is also a master |
| [15:07:21] | ** stuarta hands scopeuk an 'l' and an 'e' ** | |
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| [15:08:32] | scopeuk: | thanks |
| [15:08:36] | stuarta: | afternoon juski |
| [15:08:36] | scopeuk: | hi juski |
| [15:08:38] | jams: | hehe |
| [15:08:55] | Juski: | hey hey |
| [15:09:10] | Juski: | video is online now.. go easy on da torrent :-) |
| [15:09:39] | stuarta: | is it a torrent & where do we get it? |
| [15:10:21] | scopeuk: | Juski the whole point of a torrent is not to go eay on it |
| [15:10:23] | tonibottos: | ok only the laptop sometimes could be removed from my home..but my idea is, 1 pc (server) to store mysql db and video and/or mp3 |
| [15:11:06] | Juski: | well – guess where you can get it.. starts with www, ends with .org and has lugradio in the middle :) |
| [15:11:11] | stuarta: | yeah, the more people on the torrent the better it goes.... |
| [15:11:12] | tonibottos: | 1 desktop (mythtv1) to watch and record tv and browser media file, 1 laptop (mythtv2 ) to watch tv and browse media file |
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| [15:13:00] | stuarta: | methinks the torrent is broken |
| [15:13:11] | Juski: | dont think so |
| [15:14:13] | stuarta: | ep59 hi quality ogg format torrent.... |
| [15:14:40] | tonibottos: | no mp3 fiel format only link is xvid |
| [15:14:44] | Fnc-1: | morning all |
| [15:14:56] | Fnc-1: | if i wanted to set up vlc so i can watch stuff while im at work... what else is involved? |
| [15:15:12] | Juski: | a fat upload pipe |
| [15:15:33] | Juski: | stuarta: getting 300kb/sec here :) |
| [15:16:04] | Fnc-1: | is there anything else that i need, other than vlc? |
| [15:16:57] | Fnc-1: | i guess mythstreamtv would be useful |
| [15:17:13] | stuarta: | okay: 180k/s and climbing |
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| [15:19:08] | tonibottos: | so dou you think that my SPECIAL home setup is possbile? |
| [15:19:59] | Juski: | no comment |
| [15:20:08] | stuarta: | tonibottos: yeah, just don't expect to take the laptop away & still watch vids |
| [15:20:26] | stuarta: | as they will be on the master |
| [15:23:06] | stuarta: | ooo 380Kb/sec |
| [15:24:21] | tonibottos: | ok.. :-D..i understand..is there any docs available to help me? |
| [15:24:44] | stuarta: | read the howto |
| [15:24:50] | tonibottos: | ok |
| [15:25:27] | tonibottos: | i'm a lucky man...the mysql admin that i installed has a known bug for ubuntu and continues freezing.. |
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| [15:31:23] | scopeuk: | just a throught replace it with one that doesent? |
| [15:32:24] | JohnQ: | I'm just about to the point where I say "Wow... really cool" and go get myself a PVR-500 and use it to replace my replaytv completely. |
| [15:32:40] | stuarta: | sound works now? |
| [15:32:53] | JohnQ: | yeap.. you were right... jumpers on motherboard |
| [15:33:19] | ** stuarta pats scopeuk for his brilliance.... ** | |
| [15:33:31] | JohnQ: | my only "issue" is with the fonts. they very often extend outside of the boxes they are supposed to be inside. |
| [15:34:24] | tonibottos: | are you on kubuntu stuarta? |
| [15:34:42] | stuarta: | tonibottos: nope |
| [15:35:03] | ** stuarta only uses debian at home ** | |
| [15:35:07] | JohnQ: | any ideas how to fix fonts? |
| [15:35:25] | stuarta: | JohnQ: maybe configure them to a smaller size? |
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| [15:36:30] | JohnQ: | already set to small. :-/ nobody else has this problem? |
| [15:36:44] | JohnQ: | i'll try a different theme |
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| [15:37:29] | __rich__: | hello |
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| [15:37:53] | __rich__: | I have a couple of really dumb questions about the pcHDTV card...does anyone use this? |
| [15:41:15] | JohnQ: | maybe it's my video resolution? to high maybe? |
| [15:41:24] | stuarta: | could be |
| [15:42:02] | JohnQ: | what do you reccomend? 800x600? 640x480? |
| [15:42:42] | stuarta: | whatever the default is/was |
| [15:43:36] | JohnQ: | default of what? the xserver defaults to something rediculously high |
| [15:44:58] | Merlin83b: | JohnQ: This for TV out? |
| [15:45:06] | Juski: | JohnQ: set X to run at 100dpi, as the docs say it should be run for faithful theme reproduction |
| [15:45:16] | Merlin83b: | NTSC? |
| [15:45:20] | Merlin83b: | 720x576 :-) |
| [15:45:38] | JohnQ: | nah not tv out yet. |
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| [15:47:46] | JohnQ: | how do you set the dpi? Dont see anyhing in the config file of x |
| [15:48:21] | Juski: | displaysize in xorg.conf |
| [15:48:36] | Juski: | to check it, do xdpyinfo |grep dots IIRC |
| [15:48:38] | JohnQ: | using xfree86 |
| [15:49:09] | Juski: | another cause of text not fitting can be missing fonts.. sometimes a bigger font can be substituted |
| [15:49:17] | JohnQ: | ah it already is 100x100 |
| [15:49:23] | tonibottos: | sorry but reading some posts i think that i've doen the wrong thing... |
| [15:50:01] | tonibottos: | ..mysql 5.o and mythtv 0.19 don't work togheter? is it right? |
| [15:50:18] | Juski: | tonibottos: yup |
| [15:50:44] | Juski: | 0.19-fixes is ok AFAIK but it's still not recommended to use mysql 5 |
| [15:53:05] | tonibottos: | arghhh..so i think that the best thing to do is apt-remove mysql 5 and then apt-get mysql4? |
| [15:54:12] | Juski: | the problem is with mysql5 timing out after a socket goes inactive for a time, if I remember right. I think the timeout value can be changed though |
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| [15:56:51] | JohnQ: | seems better now.. apparently it is unhappy with a screen resolution that isnt 4:3 |
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| [16:01:39] | BloodHawk: | If I want to force mythfrontend to be a specific aspect ratio, which table should I be looking at in mythconverg? |
| [16:02:14] | GreyFoxx: | BloodHawk: Why look at the database directly? Just tell it in the mythfrontend setup menus |
| [16:02:19] | Juski: | you should be looking at the menu setup pages really |
| [16:02:36] | Juski: | less chance or borking something |
| [16:02:50] | GreyFoxx: | OR if it's a temporary aspect change use W to cycle through, or the popup menu to pick the aspect you want for that particular playback |
| [16:03:13] | seth|laptop: | I am having mythdvd issues, the forums pointed here, I can play dvd's no problem, however, when I go to import one of the ones from my collection, it just sits there and says, waiting for job/ or dvd, nay ideas why. Also, for dvd playback I am using the xine, and in the import menu it uses mplayer. Should that maybe be changed to xine? |
| [16:03:29] | tonibottos: | last question before reinstalling everything...is it possible to hide some menus in the frontend? I don't want my son to tweak the setup menu or other things!! |
| [16:03:38] | gardengnome: | seth|laptop: sounds like a problem with mtd... |
| [16:03:55] | BloodHawk: | I have two displays — a 4:3 CRT and a 16:9 projector. I added a "Swap Display" item to MythTV that kills mythfrontend, changes DISPLAY, updates an environment variable that I use for mplayer settings and restarts mythfrontend on the new $DISPLAY. |
| [16:03:55] | GreyFoxx: | tonibottos: You could edit the XML theme |
| [16:04:02] | gardengnome: | tonibottos: you can have, like, a PIN for the setup menus. otherwise, just edit the .xml menu files |
| [16:04:15] | Juski: | not in svn you can't1 |
| [16:04:16] | seth|laptop: | gardengnome, I have mtd running with mtd -d, currently eith mtd -n as I wish to see if there are any errors, it shows me nothing |
| [16:04:34] | tonibottos: | thank you very much!! see you tomorrow after reinstallation... ;-) |
| [16:04:37] | stuarta: | Juski: just because it's currently broken ;-P |
| [16:04:39] | gardengnome: | seth|laptop: is the path to your dvd drive setup properly? |
| [16:04:44] | BloodHawk: | But from what I see, mythfrontend, like mplayer, doesn't detect this aspect change automatically.. so I'm making the change in my script. |
| [16:05:04] | gardengnome: | Juski: you did great in that interview :) |
| [16:05:06] | seth|laptop: | gardengnome, it links to /dev/cdrom with mythtv:root permissions |
| [16:05:10] | Juski: | stuarta: I saw the ticket was reopened |
| [16:05:20] | gardengnome: | seth|laptop: weird. can't help ya much further then, i'm sorry. :/ |
| [16:05:21] | GreyFoxx: | gardengnome: That the lugradio show he went to? |
| [16:05:25] | GreyFoxx: | I want to check out that :) |
| [16:05:27] | BloodHawk: | if I know which table the setting is on, I can just add a quick SQL update. |
| [16:05:29] | gardengnome: | oops. |
| [16:05:31] | ** gardengnome hides ** | |
| [16:05:32] | Juski: | did I? can I officially stay around then? |
| [16:05:34] | stuarta: | Juski: thought that was you :) |
| [16:05:44] | GreyFoxx: | BloodHawk: One might try looking at the "settings" table :) |
| [16:05:48] | gardengnome: | Juski: sure ;) |
| [16:06:05] | ** stuarta will listen when he gets home.... ** | |
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| [16:06:28] | Juski: | so will I :-) |
| [16:06:35] | BloodHawk: | Well.. I am. I was hoping someone knew a bit more about that table. I see "AspectOverride" and TVVidModeForceAspect, but for some reason my AspectOverride is set to 6. Not what I was expecting. ;) |
| [16:07:03] | Juski: | BloodHawk: do yourself a favour & set it in the GUI please |
| [16:07:14] | BloodHawk: | I can't, juski. |
| [16:07:21] | Juski: | otherwise you'll need to UTSL to find out what the stuff all means |
| [16:07:23] | stuarta: | why not? |
| [16:07:29] | BloodHawk: | This script is getting mapped to my lircd.. |
| [16:07:38] | Juski: | what? |
| [16:07:40] | BloodHawk: | so I have a button on my remote that switches between projector/TV and restarts everything. |
| [16:08:03] | Juski: | what's wrong with pressing 'W' ? |
| [16:08:27] | BloodHawk: | why press W when I can just do what W does automatically? :P |
| [16:08:38] | BloodHawk: | well. that's what my wife would ask. :P |
| [16:08:42] | Juski: | takes less time to cycle thru aspects than a full frontend restart |
| [16:08:53] | BloodHawk: | I have to do a full-frontend restart anyway when I switch displays.. |
| [16:09:20] | Juski: | sounds messy |
| [16:09:43] | BloodHawk: | I don't think there's a non-messy way to deal with multiple displays and myth. :P |
| [16:09:52] | stuarta: | why not just run it on the nice display? |
| [16:10:03] | Juski: | lamp life, prolly |
| [16:10:22] | BloodHawk: | basically, yeah. and most regular TV doesn't look so hot at 106" diagonal. |
| [16:10:25] | stuarta: | methings a vga switch would be faster... |
| [16:10:26] | GreyFoxx: | BloodHawk: So explain the dual displays.. is it two different X servers ? |
| [16:10:58] | Juski: | it was nice to see myth on a 12 foot display at LRL the other week :) |
| [16:11:11] | BloodHawk: | It's a single 6150 board. I have :0.0 mapped to DVI-out, 720p to the projector. :0.1 is TV-out, 720x480 to the regular 36" TV. |
| [16:11:19] | BloodHawk: | I have the projector screen ceiling-mounted right in front of the TV.. |
| [16:11:26] | BloodHawk: | so if I pull the projector screen down, it hides the TV. |
| [16:11:50] | BloodHawk: | I'm mapping one button on my remote to switch between projector/TV — it changes the lighting in the room, volume levels, etc. |
| [16:12:03] | GreyFoxx: | BloodHawk: You could just run a second instance of the frontend using a different forced hostname. It would have it's own set of config options. You could leave it at 16x9 |
| [16:12:04] | BloodHawk: | powers up the projector/down the TV.. |
| [16:12:15] | BloodHawk: | Well, I could.. but I never use both at the same time. |
| [16:12:26] | GreyFoxx: | Have th button start/stop the appropriate one |
| [16:12:34] | GreyFoxx: | you don't need to go messing with the database |
| [16:12:36] | BloodHawk: | I already have the mythfrontend switching perfectly. |
| [16:13:06] | BloodHawk: | except that I need to hit the database to force the aspect ratio, as it seems that mythfrontend likes to stick with the aspect ratio of :0.0 or something. |
| [16:13:09] | GreyFoxx: | Heck, all it would take at a bare minimum would be to switch between two mysql.txt files in your mythtv users home directory |
| [16:13:22] | Fnc-1: | does mythstreamtv work with .19? |
| [16:13:38] | Juski: | Fnc-1: with tweaking, I heard it can |
| [16:13:52] | BloodHawk: | here, let me upload my startmyth script so you can see what I'm actually doing. I think it's simpler than maintaining another mythfrontend. |
| [16:13:54] | Fnc-1: | hmm ok |
| [16:14:03] | GreyFoxx: | BloodHawk: how would it be simpler ? |
| [16:14:44] | GreyFoxx: | You wouldbe MUCH more flexible having different "frontend" databases for each . One can have a 16x9 optimized theme, the other couldhave a different theme, you could tune each and never have to touch the database with your script |
| [16:15:50] | Juski: | 4:3 themes look awful on 16:9 displays |
| [16:15:53] | GreyFoxx: | All you do is create a mysql-4–3.txt, mysql-16–9.txt(with a unique hostname so it has it's own config settings), and have your script copy the right one over top of ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [16:16:01] | Juski: | likewise the other way around :) |
| [16:16:08] | GreyFoxx: | then when you restart tyhe frontend it will be the right one |
| [16:16:34] | GreyFoxx: | 1 install of myth, 1 user, 2 customized configs, 0 script database access |
| [16:16:47] | BloodHawk: | what's so bad about script database access? |
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| [16:17:09] | Juski: | you mean apart from it going wrong? |
| [16:17:29] | GreyFoxx: | BloodHawk: It's ridiculous when there is a simple configuration way. IT's safer AND will work if upgrades change variable names and such |
| [16:17:29] | BloodHawk: | why would it go wrong? |
| [16:17:57] | __rich__: | if I have a pcHDTV card, and I have digital cable, am I going to have to feed the cable from the cable box to the pcHDTV card and drive it using an IR blaster? Or will the pcHDTV card be able to handle the higher-numbered channels with a direct connection to the cable? |
| [16:18:13] | GreyFoxx: | Besides, 2 mysql.txts would allow you to have a 16x9 version, and a4x3 version. Themes can be setup right,fonts, etc etc |
| [16:18:23] | Juski: | __rich__: you can't capture HD from a cable box with a tuner card |
| [16:18:38] | __rich__: | what about regular NTSC? |
| [16:18:47] | __rich__: | I can capture that with the pcHDTV card still right? |
| [16:18:56] | Juski: | __rich__: yes but in software encoding mode |
| [16:19:49] | __rich__: | so is it worth it to get a card dedicated to NTSC? |
| [16:19:50] | BloodHawk: | http://www.fysa.net/stuff/startmyth.sh.txt |
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| [16:19:59] | BloodHawk: | http://www.fysa.net/stuff/swapdisplay.sh.txt |
| [16:20:10] | __rich__: | sorry I haven't even owned a tv for like 8 years, much less cable |
| [16:20:23] | Juski: | __rich__: I'd say yes. I've seen software encoding & it sucks |
| [16:20:28] | __rich__: | okay |
| [16:20:31] | __rich__: | well that answers that |
| [16:20:37] | Juski: | compared to hardware mpeg encoding anyway |
| [16:20:52] | Juski: | at a push I'd say it's 'better than nothing' |
| [16:21:06] | __rich__: | I only have to feed the cable to one card right? the unconnected card can still act as a hardware encoder without taking the feed directly? |
| [16:21:13] | Juski: | nope |
| [16:21:21] | __rich__: | so i have to split it? |
| [16:21:25] | Juski: | yup |
| [16:22:17] | __rich__: | if both cards are connected to a splitter connected to the cable box, am I still going to have to "drive" using the cable box, or will myth take care of switching channels and what not? |
| [16:22:44] | __rich__: | I'm not really clear on what role the cable box provides in the equation |
| [16:23:14] | Juski: | it doesn't |
| [16:23:29] | Juski: | unless it has firewire – in which case you can bypass the tuner card altogether |
| [16:23:49] | __rich__: | okay but the regular digital cable channels...I will be able to access even the higher numbered ones that are NOT HD? |
| [16:24:08] | __rich__: | just by using the NTSC hardware encoder card? |
| [16:24:19] | Juski: | dunno. depends on the cable co. |
| [16:24:21] | BloodHawk: | It looks like I don't even need to hit the database. |
| [16:24:26] | seth|laptop: | anyone here successfully importing thei dvd collections? |
| [16:24:28] | BloodHawk: | mythfrontend --override-setting KEY=VALUE |
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| [16:25:11] | Juski: | I dunno where folks are getting the idea that they can capture the output of HD boxen with HD tuner cards |
| [16:25:38] | Juski: | spose there's nothing anywhere telling you that you _can't_, so.... |
| [16:25:53] | __rich__: | maybe I am missing that FAQ |
| [16:26:17] | Aid1: | anyone here mess with FTA? |
| [16:26:40] | BloodHawk: | rich. If you have basic cable and your provider carries local HD stations, you may be able to pick them up with an HD tuner that does QAM. |
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| [16:26:59] | BloodHawk: | But all you're really doing is replacing the OTA HD antenna that would give you a better picture anyway. |
| [16:27:11] | Juski: | Aid1: make your question less USA specific. I use FTA all the time.. in the UK. |
| [16:27:20] | Aid1: | ok |
| [16:27:28] | Aid1: | does anyone here use FTA Satellites? |
| [16:27:46] | Juski: | where? |
| [16:28:04] | Juski: | in the USA I've heard there's next to nothing you can watch on FTA satellite |
| [16:28:25] | BloodHawk: | http://www.lyngsat.com/ |
| [16:28:46] | Juski: | God, shopping & localtv.. yay :-/ |
| [16:28:48] | BloodHawk: | http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html |
| [16:28:56] | BloodHawk: | "Black Belt TV." |
| [16:28:58] | BloodHawk: | haha |
| [16:28:59] | Aid1: | Juski: theres a satellite or two |
| [16:29:03] | Aid1: | that have decent stuff |
| [16:29:06] | __rich__: | Bloodhawk, I was more interested in capturing HD channels provided through the cable company. Is this pcHDTV card pretty much useless to me unless I want to pick up broadcasted HD with an antenna? I'm sorry these questions are really basic, I just cannot find a FAQ that catches me up with the various technology information necessary to completely grok this |
| [16:29:08] | Aid1: | there's this one that has tons of good stuff |
| [16:29:49] | BloodHawk: | rich: Local network HD stations? Or HBO HD and such? |
| [16:30:28] | Aid1: | so in the UK there are TONS of channels on FTA satellite? |
| [16:30:30] | BloodHawk: | If it's the former, then you just need an HD tuner that supports QAM. (I have a Fusion5HDTV — it's decent) |
| [16:30:34] | __rich__: | I can pay my cable company for "HD CHannels", which are basically 10 – 15 channels equivalent to basic cable, but in HD |
| [16:30:40] | __rich__: | so yes, very much like HBOHD |
| [16:30:41] | Juski: | Aid1: yeah.. mostly all shite |
| [16:30:55] | Aid1: | so it isn't much better than the united states then is it? |
| [16:31:02] | BloodHawk: | If it's HBO HD, you would use firewire and not an HD tuner card at all. |
| [16:31:12] | __rich__: | so what is this pcHDTV card FOR anyways? It doesn't do any heavy-lifting encoding? |
| [16:31:15] | BloodHawk: | and even in those cases, there's a slim chance of it working. |
| [16:31:24] | BloodHawk: | the problem is, those HBO HD stations are encrypted.. |
| [16:31:27] | __rich__: | i see |
| [16:31:28] | BloodHawk: | and only your cable box can get around that. |
| [16:31:34] | __rich__: | well okay screw it |
| [16:31:35] | BloodHawk: | this is why CableCARD is such a big deal. |
| [16:31:36] | Juski: | __rich__: basically mostly over the air thru an antenna HD |
| [16:31:56] | __rich__: | if I want to just use myth to record basic digital cable |
| [16:32:04] | BloodHawk: | because it separates the encryption from their provided set-top-box. |
| [16:32:06] | __rich__: | I get myself a haup-whatever card |
| [16:32:20] | BloodHawk: | Yeah, I just installed the MCE-500 here.. |
| [16:32:22] | BloodHawk: | and it's very nice. |
| [16:32:26] | Aid1: | is there a place i can look to see if i have any HD channels in my area? |
| [16:32:27] | BloodHawk: | two tuners, hardware-encoding |
| [16:32:29] | Juski: | not a patch on recording proper digital streams though, good as it is |
| [16:32:37] | BloodHawk: | and the encoding cleans up the analog signals quite a bit. |
| [16:33:03] | __rich__: | okay are you saying two-tuners WITH hardware encoding? |
| [16:33:14] | BloodHawk: | yes, and it's relatively cheap.. |
| [16:33:14] | __rich__: | and TWO tuners, because I would want to playback while recording? |
| [16:33:27] | BloodHawk: | exactly. |
| [16:33:29] | BloodHawk: | in one PCI card |
| [16:33:36] | __rich__: | oh you can get a dual head ? |
| [16:33:52] | BloodHawk: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116628 |
| [16:33:53] | __rich__: | can you recommend a model with a good track record on Linux? |
| [16:33:55] | BloodHawk: | This is what I'm using. |
| [16:34:01] | __rich__: | okay |
| [16:34:07] | BloodHawk: | and I had relatively little difficulty getting it to work with SUSE 10.1 |
| [16:34:32] | __rich__: | sounds good. Fedora has been a pain in the ass so far |
| [16:34:34] | BloodHawk: | you get /dev/video0 and /dev/video1, and each are MPEG-2 streams that are real-time encoded. |
| [16:34:44] | Juski: | I fink it's time to go home & watch a video |
| [16:34:46] | __rich__: | very cool |
| [16:35:24] | BloodHawk: | I use an OTA HD antenna with a Fusion 5 HDTV card (decent, probably better available now) for local HD shows.. Lost, etc. |
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| [16:35:42] | __rich__: | I think the only thing I'm lacking is information regarding if i REALLY need the cable box. In my area they say I need a box if I want "digital cable", which provides a lot of channels |
| [16:35:51] | BloodHawk: | you won't be able to use digital cable with myth.. |
| [16:35:55] | BloodHawk: | I have the same deal. |
| [16:35:58] | __rich__: | i'll ask my friend if he has to route his cable through the cable box to his Tivo |
| [16:36:02] | BloodHawk: | channels 2–98 are analog. |
| [16:36:10] | __rich__: | myth can't do digital cable??? |
| [16:36:17] | BloodHawk: | 100–190 are digital or so.. |
| [16:36:17] | __rich__: | you've got to be kidding me. |
| [16:36:37] | BloodHawk: | it's not myth — nothing can do digital cable right now, really. — UNLESS you capture SVideo out of that box. |
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| [16:36:49] | __rich__: | how the hell does a Tivo do it? |
| [16:37:12] | BloodHawk: | through S-Video I believe? |
| [16:37:23] | Aid1: | i have a card with s-video in |
| [16:37:29] | __rich__: | sooo |
| [16:37:31] | BloodHawk: | that PVR-500 has two s-video-ins also.. |
| [16:37:35] | BloodHawk: | so you use an IR blaster.. |
| [16:37:39] | BloodHawk: | have myth control your regular cable box |
| [16:37:44] | BloodHawk: | and capture S-Video out from your regular cable box. |
| [16:37:46] | __rich__: | that's what I figured |
| [16:37:51] | Aid1: | irblaster.info is that the best place to get one? |
| [16:37:51] | BloodHawk: | kind of a pain in the ass. |
| [16:38:28] | __rich__: | so can this thing automatically do scheduled recordings of digital cable, or am I going to have to be there to manually tune in to the channel to provide s-video output to the mythbox? |
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| [16:38:42] | BloodHawk: | the IR blaster lets Myth change channels on your cable box. |
| [16:38:46] | __rich__: | kick ass |
| [16:38:53] | __rich__: | I have a IR blaster on order |
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| [16:39:03] | Fnc-1: | so does anyone use mythstreamtv here? |
| [16:39:34] | prozac: | i did, but i ended up doing the whole flash conversion thing like on the wiki |
| [16:39:48] | Fnc-1: | flash conversion? |
| [16:39:53] | prozac: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Stream_mytht . . . _flash_video |
| [16:40:09] | Fnc-1: | you like it better? |
| [16:40:25] | prozac: | i just did it this weekend, i have to see how well it streams when i get to work |
| [16:40:30] | prozac: | it looks fine locally |
| [16:40:51] | Fnc-1: | why didnt you like streamtv? |
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| [16:41:21] | prozac: | more steps to get the recording playing and the controls didn't work for me |
| [16:41:23] | prozac: | like pause |
| [16:41:39] | Fnc-1: | hmm.. ok |
| [16:41:56] | prozac: | so if i had a meeting or someone came over to talk to me i'd just miss whatever part was playing |
| [16:41:58] | Fnc-1: | i was trying to get it set up.. looks like i got it all installed, but there is no stream option in mythweb? |
| [16:42:23] | prozac: | i used mythdora which had it all setup already... and there is a link in mythweb |
| [16:42:39] | prozac: | Recorded Programs | MythBurn DVD | StreamTV | Backend Status | Backend Logs |
| [16:42:39] | Fnc-1: | ahh i see |
| [16:42:43] | prozac: | StreamTV |
| [16:42:58] | prozac: | so it is possible =P |
| [16:43:34] | Fnc-1: | mine looks like this |
| [16:43:35] | Fnc-1: | MythTV: Listings | Searches | Recording Schedules (Manual, Custom) | Upcoming Recordings | Recorded Programs | Backend Status |
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| [16:47:27] | __rich__: | so to clarify..so I understand completely. I have the main cable line split three-ways between the cable box and the two cable inputs on the PVR-500. The remaining cable input goes into a cable box which outputs S-Video to the PVR-500. Will Myth be able to record two channels at once with this card? Or just be able to record/play at the same time? |
| [16:48:35] | Rule: | erm PVR500 doesn't need 2 cable inputs |
| [16:48:58] | __rich__: | but it gives me more flexibility if it does right? |
| [16:49:06] | Rule: | it just takes 1 and "splits" it itself between the two tuners |
| [16:49:23] | BloodHawk: | well. |
| [16:49:34] | BloodHawk: | if you're going to take digital cable, you're going to use two S-Video inputs on the PVR-500 |
| [16:49:43] | __rich__: | okay I see |
| [16:49:48] | BloodHawk: | because you want to watch/record at the same time |
| [16:49:58] | BloodHawk: | and you will then need two boxes from the cable company.. |
| [16:50:02] | __rich__: | so I need to split the S-Video signal coming from the cable box? |
| [16:50:06] | __rich__: | oh crap |
| [16:50:16] | BloodHawk: | because each one can only be tuned to a single channel at a time. |
| [16:50:26] | BloodHawk: | and maybe two IR blasters? I don't know — I've never gone down that route. |
| [16:50:30] | Rule: | I have digital cable in nice open DVB-C format, so just use a DVB card :) |
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| [16:50:48] | BloodHawk: | I just stick with analog basic cable and an HD antenna. |
| [16:50:55] | __rich__: | i see |
| [16:51:08] | __rich__: | yeah but i friggin want some of those higher channels, like Sundance or IFC |
| [16:51:18] | __rich__: | I need my queer cowboy movies dammit! |
| [16:51:20] | BloodHawk: | .. and then I just download everything else. :P |
| [16:51:34] | BloodHawk: | until cablecard works, anyway. |
| [16:51:42] | prozac: | you could use one svideo to the digital cable box and the coax to the analog, but on the coax one you won't get hbo and stuff |
| [16:51:52] | BloodHawk: | yeah, that's probably a good idea. |
| [16:51:52] | prozac: | but it could still help resolve conflicts |
| [16:51:55] | __rich__: | that's fine...prozac that's what I was thinking |
| [16:52:12] | __rich__: | will myth be able to know when to use the right input? |
| [16:52:34] | __rich__: | so if it's scheduled to record channel 233, it will know it will have to drive the cable box through an IR Blaster? |
| [16:52:34] | Rule: | if configured correctly, yes |
| [16:52:34] | prozac: | you have to setup the lineups so that it knows which tuner has which channels |
| [16:52:40] | prozac: | then it should do the right thing |
| [16:52:40] | __rich__: | awesome |
| [16:52:46] | __rich__: | that solves the problem there |
| [16:52:48] | __rich__: | wow thanks guys |
| [16:52:53] | __rich__: | this really clears some things up |
| [16:53:36] | Rule: | anyway, why I am here : I suppose it's impossible to perform a full scan of the cable with my DVB card ? I mean not tuned, just step-incremental |
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| [17:03:59] | Kaitar: | Is anyone around? I'm hopefully looking for an answer to a hopefully quick question |
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| [17:05:49] | Coume: | hi all |
| [17:06:06] | jams: | hey Coume |
| [17:06:16] | Coume: | how are you jams? |
| [17:06:43] | jams: | decent enough |
| [17:06:56] | jams: | just walking by the workstation :) |
| [17:07:01] | Kaitar: | I have installed KnoppMyth on the PC that I am using for TV viewing, and I am trying to use two external hard drives as my storage drives.. .but how do I get KnoppMyth to actually recognize them so that I can use them? |
| [17:08:37] | xris: | Kaitar: you'd have to lvm them together if you want to use both. mythtv only records to one directory |
| [17:09:18] | Kaitar: | Right, I would do the chaining feature on them |
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| [17:12:26] | Kaitar: | but how do you actually get one of them to be recognized though? |
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| [17:32:30] | Kaitar: | I hear I need some link or something to do this? |
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| [17:33:20] | gardengnome: | what do you mean when you say "recognized"? |
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| [17:38:40] | Fnc-1: | xris: you around? |
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| [17:39:42] | xris: | yes, |
| [17:40:09] | Fnc-1: | i was looking in init.php, and saw it had weather in there... |
| [17:40:43] | Fnc-1: | but it doesnt show up, on mythweb |
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| [17:42:56] | xris: | means you don't have mythweather configured |
| [17:43:27] | Fnc-1: | ah... there anyway to do that viz cli? |
| [17:44:13] | xris: | no |
| [17:44:21] | xris: | well, I don't know how |
| [17:44:28] | Fnc-1: | cool |
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| [17:54:01] | ** Juski shudders ** | |
| [17:55:00] | Kaitar: | What I want to do is to put videos on the hard drive that I am attaching externally to give it more space, and have it play off of those |
| [17:55:14] | Kaitar: | like for it to show up in my video directory |
| [17:55:37] | Juski: | make a subdir in your current videos directory and mount the external drive to that subdir |
| [17:55:52] | Kaitar: | how do you do that? |
| [17:56:45] | Kaitar: | like, mount the external drive to that subdirectory |
| [17:56:55] | Juski: | man mount |
| [17:57:30] | Kaitar: | is there a faq or something that I can follow for that? |
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| [18:11:06] | Kaitar: | anyone? |
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| [18:14:13] | gardengnome: | Kaitar: man mount |
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| [18:14:54] | Kaitar: | Right, but I'm asking where I can find a walk through or something to do man mount... |
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| [18:20:46] | gardengnome: | Kaitar: that's an easy one. |
| [18:21:02] | gardengnome: | Kaitar: open a terminal, type "man man" and hit enter. that document should tell ya everything :) |
| [18:21:25] | gardengnome: | Kaitar: not being arrogant here, but i don't want to explain all the mysteries of working with harddisks to you. |
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| [18:27:15] | Kaitar: | Hm. I tried doing the terminal and doing manmount, but it says it doesn't recognize it... Maybe it's becuase I'm using KnoppMyth? |
| [18:27:50] | gardengnome: | no, you need to type "man mount", not "manmount" |
| [18:28:07] | Juski: | mount man? wrong channel |
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| [18:33:26] | Kaitar: | oh ok. Got it. Great – thanks so much!! |
| [18:35:18] | Fnc-1: | so anyone have mythstreamtv workin |
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| [18:47:21] | Juski: | Fnc-1: seen this? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/213796 |
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| [18:53:09] | bluey-: | anyone knows how to avoid high cpu usage with X while using Bobinterlacing? |
| [18:53:44] | Juski: | play back at a lower resolution? |
| [18:53:52] | Juski: | use xvmc? |
| [18:54:13] | bluey-: | tried all decoder |
| [18:54:22] | bluey-: | and i'm playing only at PAL Res. |
| [18:54:46] | Juski: | what CPU do you have, and how much is it being used during playback? |
| [18:54:52] | bluey-: | X eats 100% while playing and i've already disables apic |
| [18:55:13] | Juski: | what CPU do you have? |
| [18:55:14] | bluey-: | an 3200+ AMD64 which clocks up to 2000ghz while watching ... |
| [18:55:22] | bluey-: | really annoying |
| [18:55:24] | Juski: | playing PAL?! |
| [18:55:30] | bluey-: | yeah |
| [18:55:57] | bluey-: | no clue why, i already disables apic as sugested in an webblog |
| [18:56:05] | Juski: | jees man. do you have proper video drivers installed? |
| [18:56:06] | gardengnome: | 2000ghz? woohoo! i bet that's watercooled. |
| [18:56:19] | bluey-: | jesus gnome you know what i mean =) |
| [18:56:24] | Juski: | more like liquid NO2.... |
| [18:56:50] | gardengnome: | bluey-: ;) |
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| [19:05:51] | Juski: | Coume was here? |
| [19:06:30] | word: | What's the reccomended filesystem for just having mythtv write to? From the documentation it appeared it was XFS but I'm not sure. |
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| [19:06:59] | Juski: | word: whatever you like |
| [19:07:03] | dev: | you'll find jfs and xfs users here mostly |
| [19:07:13] | bluey-: | mh would also suggest XFS, ext3 eats to much filespace |
| [19:07:26] | dev: | have seen more poeople complain about loseing jfs filesystems than xfs tho |
| [19:07:34] | kslater: | the important question for me was – what has good delete speed |
| [19:07:45] | Juski: | xfs |
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| [19:07:50] | bluey-: | xfs :) |
| [19:08:02] | s3cur17y: | Is there a MythTV LiveCD? |
| [19:08:05] | dev: | ive had no probs with xfs |
| [19:08:14] | word: | Knoppmyth i think would be considered that s3cur17y |
| [19:08:29] | word: | ok so I guess xfs it is then :D thanks |
| [19:08:35] | Juski: | I've heard of some horror stories with xfs, fscking when the partition is too full etc, but generally it's ok I'd bet |
| [19:09:05] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah, most problems people have seem to occur when 98%+ full. Mostly just poor performance when it gets that full |
| [19:09:51] | Juski: | btw.. I meant FSCK-ing.. not fucking ;) |
| [19:10:35] | Fnc-1: | was that freaudian? |
| [19:10:51] | word: | i ordered a 400 gig hd yesterday so 98% full shouldn't be a prob for awhile lol |
| [19:12:04] | Fnc-1: | when your doing things from svn and what not, like if im cutting and pasteing, how do i know if its a stable release or a devel or what? |
| [19:12:07] | Fnc-1: | ie svn checkout svn://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk ffmpeg |
| [19:12:18] | Juski: | Fnc-1 no I meant that some people have had fs problems when they fsck drives after power cuts when the partition is too full |
| [19:12:43] | Fnc-1: | ahh |
| [19:14:13] | Juski: | btw I generally don't say fsck when I mean 'fuck' :) |
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| [19:22:10] | Kaitar: | Ok, so I'm still trying to make it recognize the external hard drive (via USB 2.0) and I typed into it "mount /dev/usb" ... am I doing something wrong? |
| [19:22:50] | Juski: | usb hdds are usually /dev/sda |
| [19:23:10] | Juski: | sda, sdb, sdc, sdd etc |
| [19:23:22] | Juski: | for some reason, usb disks appear as 'scsi', hence the 's' |
| [19:23:24] | Juski: | ;) |
| [19:24:45] | Kaitar: | When I type that in it says that it can't find "dev/sda" in "etc/fstab" or "etc/mtab" |
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| [19:25:09] | asfui: | hi |
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| [19:25:38] | Juski: | Kaitar: mount /dev/sda1 maybe? |
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| [19:26:08] | Fnc-1: | anyone maybe help me get mythstreamtv working? |
| [19:26:13] | Juski: | you also need to give it a destination dir to mount the device _to_ |
| [19:26:18] | Kaitar: | same thing – can't find "dev/sda1" in those two directories |
| [19:26:35] | Kaitar: | oh I do? what would be the command for that? |
| [19:26:41] | Juski: | e.g. |
| [19:26:53] | Juski: | mount /device/name /directory |
| [19:27:13] | Juski: | I thought you'd already read the mount manual! eesh |
| [19:27:24] | Kaitar: | I tried reading it, it just didn't make much sense T_T |
| [19:27:36] | dev: | do any of you guys have a macbook pro? |
| [19:27:46] | Juski: | and if the disk is FAT32 or something ugly like that you need to have fat support in the kernel |
| [19:28:13] | Juski: | Kaitar: in the best possible spirit, if you don't understand what the manual says, maybe it's time to pick up a book on linux :) |
| [19:28:35] | Juski: | maybe not 'Linux for dummies' but you get the idea ;) |
| [19:29:03] | Kaitar: | No, it's an NTFS drive. |
| [19:29:11] | asfui: | anyone can give a hand with tv_grab_it, it's installed, but mythtv-setup didn't see it in the list |
| [19:30:01] | asfui: | all other nation are seletionable except italy |
| [19:30:09] | Juski: | asfui: ooo the wiki is most helpful... "The grabber in the official xmltv distribution works correctly.".. :-/ |
| [19:31:08] | Juski: | asfui: maybe search the -users mailing list – and if you don't find anything about it there, post & ask there :) |
| [19:31:33] | asfui: | i've search trought the mailing list |
| [19:31:47] | gardengnome: | asfui: if it's not in there, either make or patch or use mythfilldatabase --file to work with a file created by tv_grab_it --output yourfilme.xml |
| [19:31:48] | Juski: | time to ask in a posting on there then :) |
| [19:31:49] | asfui: | i found a post, but it has no response |
| [19:32:25] | gardengnome: | s/or/a/ |
| [19:33:00] | gardengnome: | it's not hard to mkake such a patch, btw. programs/mythfilldatabase/filldata.cpp and lib*/videosource.cpp have to be edited, iirc |
| [19:33:40] | asfui: | i'll try |
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| [19:36:03] | asfui: | but i think, i use a little trick, richt know i don't have so much time to make a patch, rename the grabber to another nation, and use that nation in mythtv, it sould work |
| [19:36:17] | Juski: | possibly |
| [19:36:41] | Juski: | when you get it working, could you do everybody a big favour & tell them how you did it in the wiki? |
| [19:36:52] | Juski: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XMLTV#Italy |
| [19:36:54] | gardengnome: | it will, i think. i used to do that with tv_grab_de... |
| [19:37:15] | asfui: | sure |
| [19:37:18] | Juski: | then the next person to ask, we can yell RTFM :-P |
| [19:37:23] | Kaitar: | Ok, so when I go ahead and try and link it to the folder, it says "Only root can do that" |
| [19:37:38] | Juski: | Kaitar: so be root when you do that... maybe with sudo |
| [19:38:00] | gardengnome: | Kaitar: again, i don't wanna be arrogant, but it might be a good idea if you learn to do basic tasks in linux. |
| [19:38:33] | Kaitar: | I'm just trying to do this one thing and then I won't be messing with it again, is all. It's kind of a waste when I don't intend on using linux for anything else other than this... |
| [19:39:44] | Juski: | Kaitar: again in the best possible spirit of things – it's very useful to know all kinds of stuff. you will benefit from learning about the insides of linux – seriously |
| [19:39:44] | gardengnome: | - no comment - |
| [19:40:10] | Fnc-1: | those of you that had vlc at one time or currently have it working... know anything about this? main interface error: cannot create socket(s) for HTTP host |
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| [19:40:26] | Juski: | at first I started using mythtv because there was nothing else. the fact it ran on linux was only a hurdle to overcome |
| [19:41:51] | Kaitar: | ok so can you suggest a website that I might start introducing myself to linux in? |
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| [19:42:39] | __rich__: | what distribution? |
| [19:42:54] | Kaitar: | I'm using KnoppMyth |
| [19:44:08] | bluey-: | hm using NTSC and Bob deinterlacing results in a low CPU usage while watching :( |
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| [19:56:27] | Juski: | bluey-: what res. are you running X at? |
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| [19:59:44] | bluey-: | (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "720x576" |
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| [20:31:21] | b8zs: | I just checked the "Preview Schedual Changes" menu and it says "This showing was not recorded because the show does not match the current program listings", What does this mean? |
| [20:32:02] | b8zs: | I selected "record showing once" directly from the program guide |
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| [20:40:20] | rambo3: | any news on myth***** |
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| [20:40:58] | gardengnome: | rambo3: yeah, i think there's a chess plugin now. |
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| [20:44:30] | rambo3: | damn |
| [20:44:51] | BenB: | hi. can anybody point me to instructions how to use the DVB CI? |
| [20:45:45] | rambo3: | and most important how do i unscrable those channels |
| [20:46:07] | gardengnome: | rambo3: just kidding, btw :) |
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| [20:48:00] | D-side: | thought so. |
| [20:49:06] | rambo3: | i am going to make some games (card games + chess in c++/c and java)for my examworks for iptv company . |
| [20:50:12] | gardengnome: | D-side: guten tag! how's stuff for ya? |
| [20:51:07] | BenB: | gardengnome: it's actually 11PM in Germany ,( |
| [20:51:10] | BenB: | ;-) |
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| [20:52:53] | gardengnome: | BenB: tell news ;) but i got up at 12pm so it's ok. your name sounds familiar... xmltv? |
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| [20:53:12] | BenB: | gardengnome: correct. and the initial DVB code. |
| [20:53:26] | D-side: | gardengnome: hey. |
| [20:53:36] | D-side: | nothing new to report, which is generally good. |
| [20:54:47] | gardengnome: | D-side: cool. |
| [20:55:08] | gardengnome: | BenB: nice to meet you :) |
| [20:55:16] | BenB: | gardengnome: heh, thanks :) |
| [20:56:15] | gardengnome: | BenB: so, did you migrate to france? just looking at your host :) |
| [20:56:33] | BenB: | gardengnome: tralalal |
| [20:56:45] | BenB: | gardengnome: I am currently in france, yes. |
| [20:56:51] | asfui: | i got to use the tv_grab_it, but unfortunately the site used from this grab, isnt' reachable anymore |
| [20:57:00] | BenB: | st. tropez! :-) |
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| [20:57:19] | asfui: | but i found another grab for italian TV http://www.xiaprojects.com/www/downloads/file . . . .0.4.tar.bz2 |
| [20:57:30] | BenB: | gardengnome: you're a developer, too? |
| [20:57:30] | ** linagee gets pissy. 1 hour of "cox is going to change this channel to another channel. :p" ** | |
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| [20:57:50] | asfui: | i don't know if the script need some adeguation to work in xmltv |
| [20:57:53] | linagee: | BenB: developers developers developers developers. -balmer |
| [20:57:59] | BenB: | gardengnome: I just for my premiere smartcard today, this is the first time I am confronted with CI. no idea how to set this up |
| [20:58:01] | gardengnome: | BenB: wow, i'm green with envy. :) |
| [20:58:20] | asfui: | as soon i have some time i'll check it |
| [20:58:27] | BenB: | gardengnome: you are green anyways, as garden gnome, not? |
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| [20:58:46] | gardengnome: | BenB: please don't forget the hat. |
| [20:58:59] | BenB: | that would be red? |
| [20:59:06] | asfui: | if someone could post on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XMLTV#Italy linking this new grabber, maybe it could be helpful for somone else |
| [20:59:41] | gardengnome: | asfui: do it yourself? |
| [20:59:45] | gardengnome: | BenB: kinda. |
| [20:59:49] | Tatster: | how long should mythfilldatabase take? |
| [21:00:15] | asfui: | didn't i need a registration? |
| [21:00:19] | gardengnome: | BenB: http://serve.mythwiki.de/s100/pictures/resize . . . -resized.jpg look, that's me. |
| [21:00:36] | BenB: | gardengnome: eiiiiiiii |
| [21:01:03] | BenB: | gardengnome: what's that? a dbox? |
| [21:01:32] | gardengnome: | BenB: nope, a s100. t-vision IPTV settop box. |
| [21:01:42] | asfui: | gardengnome: didn't i need a registration? |
| [21:01:46] | gardengnome: | http://www.juski.co.uk/s100 |
| [21:01:55] | gardengnome: | asfui: yeah, just register, it's painless. |
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| [21:02:15] | BenB: | gardengnome: igittt |
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| [21:02:40] | gardengnome: | BenB: it's really nifty when used properly. e.g. mythfrontend. |
| [21:02:41] | asfui: | gardengnome: :), i'll do it later |
| [21:02:49] | gardengnome: | asfui: but don't forget about it :) |
| [21:02:57] | asfui: | now gotta some problem for watching tv in myth |
| [21:02:57] | BenB: | gardengnome: I guess so. I didn't know these are x86 boxen |
| [21:03:18] | gardengnome: | BenB: fanless, i might add. |
| [21:03:43] | BenB: | gardengnome: oh, wow. cool. |
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| [21:04:40] | BenB: | gardengnome: can one get these (new) without subscription to crap? |
| [21:04:51] | gardengnome: | BenB: ebay. :) |
| [21:05:19] | BenB: | well, *new* |
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| [21:09:33] | Tatster: | mythfilldatabase has been running for about 50mins – is that normal ? |
| [21:10:19] | gardengnome: | Tatster: yeah. sometimes. |
| [21:10:23] | gardengnome: | don't worry... |
| [21:12:42] | Tatster: | it's got through the grabbing stage, and looks like its putting it into the database |
| [21:14:40] | Tatster: | it's crippling the machine, performance wise. |
| [21:18:35] | Tatster: | it's hogging around 61% memory |
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| [21:27:51] | hhhjr: | can anybody please tell me what the easiest distro to get myth up and running? I have tried debian ubuntu and fedora. I have learned some but still cannot get it running. any suggestions please? |
| [21:28:25] | asfui: | gardengnome: do you use some site for long post? like paste-bin? |
| [21:29:32] | asfui: | hhhjr: i think that knoppMyth is a good start |
| [21:29:48] | gardengnome: | asfui: yeah, check the topic |
| [21:30:25] | hhhjr: | ok but will I still be able to use the pc as a normal pc or will it only be dedicated to mythtv? |
| [21:30:45] | gardengnome: | hhhjr: well, knoppmyth is not a good distro for a "normal pc". |
| [21:30:51] | gardengnome: | imho. |
| [21:31:09] | hhhjr: | ok thanks |
| [21:31:50] | asfui: | this is what i get when try to watch tv http://pastebin.ca/121277 |
| [21:32:09] | medwards: | oh man.. been walking around *forever* |
| [21:32:20] | asfui: | isn't so much clear to me :) |
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| [21:32:33] | asfui: | suggestion are really appreciated |
| [21:32:36] | hhhjr: | let me ask yoy after a sucussful myth install should there be a icon for it as If I type mythth at the prompt the mythtv settings come up for the backend but that is it |
| [21:33:54] | hhhjr: | actually it is the database configutation that comes up |
| [21:34:09] | Juski: | if I type mythth at a prompt I just get 'command not found'. guess my system is borked |
| [21:34:20] | medwards: | mythth or mythtv? |
| [21:34:28] | hhhjr: | mythtv |
| [21:34:39] | medwards: | JUSKI |
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| [21:34:47] | medwards: | Guess who has homemade 0.20 debs |
| [21:34:51] | ** medwards does a little dance ** | |
| [21:35:01] | Juski: | the command you should run first after installing mythtv is.. mythtv-setup |
| [21:35:10] | gardengnome: | medwards: looks like you have a timemachine, too. |
| [21:35:20] | Juski: | gees I dunno whose howtos you guys read, honestly |
| [21:36:02] | Juski: | if any packagers are changing the names of executables they should be _shot_ |
| [21:36:21] | hhhjr: | samething for me mythtv or mythtv-setup just the database configuration |
| [21:36:21] | Juski: | ahem... |
| [21:36:24] | asfui: | good night peaple |
| [21:36:50] | Juski: | medwards... so in 30 minutes when that build is out of date... erm... ;) |
| [21:36:59] | asfui: | if some of you could take a look at http://pastebin.ca/121277, if it look familiar :) |
| [21:37:03] | asfui: | it would be great |
| [21:37:11] | asfui: | see tomorrow |
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| [21:37:25] | hhhjr: | letme ask you this do I have to remove everything or can i just try reinstalling it? |
| [21:37:49] | medwards: | actually it was already out of date when I was building it |
| [21:38:00] | medwards: | the revision number increased by like 20–50 points |
| [21:38:10] | medwards: | And that was just last night. |
| [21:38:46] | gardengnome: | hhhjr: umm. did you configure mythtv? |
| [21:41:03] | hhhjr: | yes |
| [21:41:19] | hhhjr: | at least the database |
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| [21:53:05] | Tatster: | mythfilldatabase has now been running for over an hour – http://pastebin.com/765027 |
| [21:53:07] | PoeticIntensity: | Hey guys ( and gals)... |
| [21:53:26] | PoeticIntensity: | Does anyone have a URL of any legal information regarding the selling of systems using Myth? |
| [21:53:41] | PoeticIntensity: | I'm assuming it's all GPL'ed.... |
| [21:54:15] | PoeticIntensity: | any takers? |
| [21:54:48] | Daedalus_: | ERm |
| [21:54:50] | laga: | dont have any urls, but you might consider that you'll probably have to pay fees for the usage of the mpeg codecs... and for dvd playback.. |
| [21:55:06] | PoeticIntensity: | ermmm............ |
| [21:55:10] | PoeticIntensity: | I've been avoiding that issue.... :-| |
| [21:55:22] | PoeticIntensity: | the mpeg codecs aren't any problem because I'm using xvid. |
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| [21:55:25] | PoeticIntensity: | it's OSS. |
| [21:55:35] | PoeticIntensity: | but the playback of actual DVDs.... |
| [21:55:37] | laga: | xvid? so, you're capturing to xvid? |
| [21:55:51] | PoeticIntensity: | capturing? |
| [21:56:02] | PoeticIntensity: | I'm referring to the encoded DVDs / TV streams |
| [21:56:27] | laga: | yes, i'm talking about TV. recording it, to be more specific. |
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| [21:56:52] | PoeticIntensity: | ah.... I see. |
| [21:57:08] | PoeticIntensity: | so the "tivo-esque" features of myth captures the streams to mpeg.... |
| [21:57:37] | PoeticIntensity: | this is good info. |
| [21:57:50] | laga: | umm. i won't answer any further questions because you didn't even bother to read up on mythtv. god, you're trying to make money with it – stop sucking up on the OSS community for monetary reasons. |
| [21:58:01] | PoeticIntensity: | LOL |
| [21:58:15] | laga: | well, actually it's not funny. |
| [21:58:20] | PoeticIntensity: | actually.... I've been runnin' Myth for about 1 1/2 years in my home theater. |
| [21:58:22] | PoeticIntensity: | I love it... |
| [21:58:40] | PoeticIntensity: | so... as far as "reading up" on it.... I've read plenty. |
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| [21:58:45] | PoeticIntensity: | no offense, bud... |
| [21:58:53] | laga: | even more sad you don't know anything about the basic features. |
| [21:59:01] | PoeticIntensity: | basic features? |
| [21:59:08] | laga: | capturing. tv. |
| [21:59:12] | PoeticIntensity: | nevermind, dude.... I'm not here to flame. |
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| [22:00:18] | Daedalus_: | PoeticIntensity: From what I can tell, it's GPL'ed. That means that you are subject to the freedoms and restrictions of the GPL. To get a copy of the partiicular GPL that myth is under, download the sourcecode. It should be in a file labeled COPYRIGHT, LICENSE, etc. |
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| [22:02:08] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: however, that typically does not cover the patents. |
| [22:02:49] | Daedalus_: | Right. Things like DVD reading, and any other proprietary codecs would have to be licensed separately. |
| [22:03:08] | PoeticIntensity: | Deadalus: Thank you for the info. |
| [22:03:19] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: Thanks also.... |
| [22:03:20] | Daedalus_: | No prob. |
| [22:03:28] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: if you've been using mythtv, you should really know that whenever it displays anything from TV, it first went to disk as mpeg4 or mpeg2 file. even livetv is a playback of mpeg. (only exception is that RTsomething, but that's probably patent-covered, too.) |
| [22:03:36] | Tatster: | now an hour and a quarter since the last statement from mythfilldatabase........please help!!! Surely somethings not right??? http://pastebin.com/765027 |
| [22:04:20] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: I got all that info when I set it up initially over a year ago. It's been so long since I've looked at the techinical specs, I need a refesher. |
| [22:04:35] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: So, I apologize for my apparent lack of research. |
| [22:04:54] | PoeticIntensity: | The deal is.... I just am now realizing what a *huge* market MythTV could be in. |
| [22:05:31] | PoeticIntensity: | And here's the deal, for those of you who are against "making money" from OSS, it takes money to live – and if I can make tens of thousands of dollars PER COMPUTER running myth – you bet your britches I'll be sending at least a portion of that back to the myth devs. |
| [22:06:15] | PoeticIntensity: | I program computers for a living (not myth, or OSS for that matter), so I understand what goes into creating an application – especially to the level at which Myth is. |
| [22:06:21] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: right. but there are a few things to consider in your position: first, you need to understand mythtv in and out. I don't want to flame, but your current knowledge is less than the website tells you. |
| [22:06:21] | Tatster: | Any thoughts? |
| [22:06:39] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: second: mythtv is extremely unstable, bugridden. |
| [22:06:49] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: You're very right. Again – I should have gone to the docs first.... |
| [22:07:06] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: third, there are lots of IP gotchas: MPEG patents. tv schedule data. |
| [22:07:10] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: It's run at around 95% for me the first 6 months I've used it. |
| [22:07:14] | Daedalus_: | Tatster: You're using XMLTV. I'm not sure how that measures up the the new zap2it service. |
| [22:07:19] | BenB: | forth: you have to build boxen, physically. |
| [22:07:22] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: for the next 9 months, it's run flawlessly enough so my wife could use it. |
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| [22:07:39] | BenB: | fifth: it's going to be a *real* pain to support. that's a time-sink. |
| [22:07:56] | PoeticIntensity: | fourth: taken care of |
| [22:07:58] | Tatster: | does zap2it work for uk listings? |
| [22:07:59] | PoeticIntensity: | fifth: taken care of |
| [22:08:29] | Daedalus_: | Tatster: In general, if my zap2it query stalls for more than 5 minutes, I kill it. It's usually gotten a couple of weeks of data by that time. |
| [22:08:32] | PoeticIntensity: | first and third are good concerns. |
| [22:08:37] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: well, I think you underestimate these things. support is a lot of time, which means money, which means high price. |
| [22:08:53] | Daedalus_: | Taster: did you run mythfilldb on the commandline, or as part of a cron job? |
| [22:08:55] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: you're not the first to think of that, mind you. |
| [22:09:00] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: when I say "it's taken care of" that mean I'm getting my clients to sign support away. |
| [22:09:04] | Tatster: | commandline |
| [22:09:17] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: You're obviously right about "I'm not the first".... |
| [22:09:21] | Tatster: | once its run, i plan on sticking it a cron |
| [22:09:23] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: nonsense, won't work, they'll give it back to you as "that shit doesn't work" |
| [22:09:38] | stuarta: | PoeticIntensity: nice, so they come and bug *us* when they haven't the slightest clue what they are doing in the first place... |
| [22:09:38] | Daedalus_: | Taster: are you getting any data in your listings? Can you browse your TV guide? |
| [22:09:38] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: Sounds good. I"ll take that into account. |
| [22:09:40] | BenB: | anyways, need to get back to *my* mythtv |
| [22:09:48] | Tatster: | no |
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| [22:09:53] | PoeticIntensity: | alright.... I absolutely don't wanna flame. |
| [22:09:56] | PoeticIntensity: | I'll talk to ya'll later... |
| [22:10:06] | PoeticIntensity: | thank you MUCH for the help... (honest) |
| [22:10:31] | Tatster: | mythweb reports no data and suggests "have you run mythfilldatabase?" |
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| [22:10:54] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: do your homework, read on the web and the mailing list. many people had this idea, and it's been discussed. remember my 5 points, because I thought about doing it as well. |
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| [22:11:43] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: Will do. I have to admit – the idea came, and the opportunity as well, as soon as two days ago. |
| [22:11:50] | PoeticIntensity: | It most likely is way pre-mature.... |
| [22:11:55] | Daedalus_: | PoeticIntensity: Also, keep in mind that your product will be severly reliant on free information remaining just that: free. The listings is where all the power lies, and we're getting it for free right now. If that changes, your clients are hosed. |
| [22:12:02] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: I see. |
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| [22:12:27] | PoeticIntensity: | Daedalus: *that* my friend is 100% true. |
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| [22:12:38] | Daedalus_: | Taster: Hrmm. Dunno then. Sorry I can't be of more help |
| [22:13:35] | PoeticIntensity: | Daedalus: However, as soon as it becomes a "non-free" service, if anything is happening with this opportunity at all, I'll be more than happy to pay the fee, and delegate that fee back to my customers. |
| [22:13:47] | PoeticIntensity: | Since you guys are actually listening... lemme tell you.. |
| [22:13:59] | PoeticIntensity: | I just got off the phone with 3 people who do home theaters for a living. |
| [22:14:13] | PoeticIntensity: | one of them has spent the last year and a half looking for something that mythtv does. |
| [22:14:49] | PoeticIntensity: | all three of them concur that the *least* expensive solution of providing something equivilent to mythtv (in the commercial world) costs around $50,000 |
| [22:14:56] | PoeticIntensity: | and that's not including the "TV" thing. |
| [22:15:29] | PoeticIntensity: | that's taking all DVDs and putting them into a repository which can then stream the content to other nodes around the house. |
| [22:15:32] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: one time fee? |
| [22:15:35] | PoeticIntensity: | yes. |
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| [22:16:04] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: "not including the TV thing" is boring. the automatic TV recording is the best of it, |
| [22:16:07] | PoeticIntensity: | I didn't get exact details, but the guys are coming to my house to look at my home theater which I built (and uses Myth exclusively) for around $6,500.00 |
| [22:16:30] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: Boring or not – I'm just tellin' ya what I'm finding out. |
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| [22:16:44] | PoeticIntensity: | Again – this is all SUPER early and most likely way pre-mature... |
| [22:16:51] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: you should expect somethign in that pricerange for the TV data alone. |
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| [22:17:35] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: I actually tried that, to get a TV data provider to *sell* the info to us. they refused. most didn't even *talk* to me. |
| [22:17:35] | PoeticIntensity: | but if those three guys (all of whom make a living off home theaters) can find a way to profit from myth.... It'll be much more than a couple of bucks. |
| [22:17:55] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: Like the Zap2it service? |
| [22:18:00] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: the prices I remember are in the area of $3000/month, for Germany. |
| [22:18:17] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: Interesting.... |
| [22:18:27] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: I haven't done any research in that area... |
| [22:18:30] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: google "bucksch xmltv" |
| [22:18:45] | Daedalus_: | PoeticIntensity: couple things: you can't re-distribute zap2it legally, so each one of your customers is going to have to do the survey thingy, as annoying as it is. |
| [22:19:28] | PoeticIntensity: | true. |
| [22:19:40] | PoeticIntensity: | or *someone* is gonna have to do it..... I'll have to research that. |
| [22:19:49] | Daedalus_: | PoeticIntensity: and #2, harddrive space is more expensive per GB than DVDs... it's not economical in most cases to digitize your DVDs (without lossy compression) |
| [22:20:01] | PoeticIntensity: | I use xvid. |
| [22:20:18] | PoeticIntensity: | and with my projector, the video is excellent – to say the least. |
| [22:20:31] | PoeticIntensity: | I can hold 100 movies on 200 gigs. |
| [22:21:12] | PoeticIntensity: | that, to me, is worth the price of having all of your movies instantly available with a remote. |
| [22:21:25] | Daedalus_: | Heh. Fair enough. |
| [22:21:25] | PoeticIntensity: | what *is* costly is the time needed to encode and verify each movie. |
| [22:22:01] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: for twice the price you can just copy the DVD contents. |
| [22:22:29] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: consider energy and heat, though. |
| [22:22:30] | PoeticIntensity: | not twice – according to my experience (encoding 120 DVDs) it's between 6–8 gigs per movie. |
| [22:22:49] | BenB: | yeah, true, same experience here |
| [22:23:18] | Daedalus_: | But compare having a 100 disk DVD changer to having all your DVDs digitized |
| [22:23:27] | BenB: | I personally decided for now that it's not worth the trouble, because I don't see them that ofen |
| [22:23:55] | PoeticIntensity: | I see.. |
| [22:24:40] | PoeticIntensity: | With my experience, I can get a movie encoding with the right settings (sucks, because each movie is different) in about an hour. |
| [22:24:53] | PoeticIntensity: | takes 6–8 hours to encode, but once it's done – it's done. |
| [22:24:53] | BenB: | i did decide that it's worth it for my tv archive, though. because the recording is so easy (automatic acutally) |
| [22:25:07] | PoeticIntensity: | yup..... I *love* myth's TV features. |
| [22:25:12] | PoeticIntensity: | so does my wife. |
| [22:25:20] | PoeticIntensity: | My wife actually is who gave me the idea. |
| [22:25:25] | PoeticIntensity: | inadvertantly. |
| [22:25:28] | PoeticIntensity: | :) |
| [22:25:35] | PoeticIntensity: | "If she can use it.... *ANYONE* can use it. |
| [22:25:40] | PoeticIntensity: | :) |
| [22:26:00] | PoeticIntensity: | So..... I'll see if I can keep ya'll updated with what I find. |
| [22:26:38] | PoeticIntensity: | most likely, the 3 dudes are gonna walk away laughing themselves silly..... But for me, and those who have seen the setup, it freakin' rocks. |
| [22:26:57] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: FYI, I set up a mythtv box for my parents, and they hate it, because it's a) complicated and b) extremely instable. |
| [22:27:24] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: hmm...... unstable as in..... It crashes all the time? |
| [22:27:59] | BenB: | crashes, doesn't record for no reason, bad reception, internet connection drops and no new tv data |
| [22:28:00] | medwards: | BenB: Uh oh, my mother asked me to build her one... |
| [22:28:32] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: That is the exact reason I decided to actually give this a try. Because none of that stuff happens to me.... :-? |
| [22:28:35] | BenB: | for us, a crash is easy: just restart it. but there's no UI to restart the backend. |
| [22:28:53] | Daedalus_: | PoeticIntensity: minor food for thought: a 400 disk DVD changer costs ~$700. 400 encoded movies will cost you 800GB minimum (and that's if your clients dont mind reduced quality. Most Home theater people are fidelity freaks). So, 800GB-3.2TB space required. At an approximate cost of a half a dollar a gig (and that's generous, you're stilll looking at 400–1600 for harddrives alone, not to mention the machine, power, etc |
| [22:29:31] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: I don't think it's me. I have 3 totally independent setups, different install procedures, problems everywhere. |
| [22:29:36] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: True |
| [22:29:51] | PoeticIntensity: | I meant that for Daedalus_ |
| [22:29:59] | BenB: | Daedalus_: where can I get a 400 DVD changer for $700? |
| [22:30:06] | PoeticIntensity: | These are all great suggestions / information guys.... I appreciate it. |
| [22:30:20] | Daedalus_: | Benb: Froogle for DV-5050M |
| [22:30:32] | BenB: | Daedalus_: ok |
| [22:30:36] | PoeticIntensity: | Another great reason for encoding is..... DVDs never get scratched. |
| [22:30:48] | PoeticIntensity: | if you have kids, you understand what a great concern that quickly becomes. |
| [22:31:01] | BenB: | heh, I reload the kernel.org page and a new kernel is out yet again :) |
| [22:31:06] | PoeticIntensity: | If they're on the HD – they're there until the HD fries. |
| [22:31:18] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: Serious? |
| [22:31:20] | PoeticIntensity: | .18 is out? |
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| [22:31:26] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: 18-rc4 |
| [22:31:35] | Daedalus_: | PoeticIntensity: Oh yes. I like encoding. I have several of my favorite movies encoded. But not all my collection. Just giving you a heads up on the other end of the world. Some morket scope, if you will ;) |
| [22:31:37] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: Insane |
| [22:31:53] | PoeticIntensity: | Daedalus_ Much appreciated.... |
| [22:32:00] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: HDD are one of the most fragile storages. after floppies :) |
| [22:32:08] | BenB: | esp. in a hot summer like now |
| [22:32:36] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: I totally understand... I'm running under the assumption that someone who wants to pay $50,000+ for a home theater will have a bit of air conditioning.... ;-) |
| [22:32:44] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: oh, you're right about scatches. |
| [22:32:59] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: that's your market? |
| [22:32:59] | PoeticIntensity: | :) |
| [22:33:03] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: Yes. |
| [22:33:22] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: I see. I don't think that mythtv is suitable for them. unless they are rich geeks. |
| [22:33:24] | Daedalus_: | PoeticIntensity: You're going to want to spec something like RAID5 on those machines. Nothing more frustrating than a disk kicking it and you losing your entire media collection |
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| [22:33:46] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: mythtv simply doesn't have the level of quality of consumer devices. much less high-priced ones. |
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| [22:34:18] | Daedalus_: | BenB: I'm not sure why it's not suitable. Just so long as the software doesn't try to do something stupid like update itself. |
| [22:34:19] | BenB: | what Daedalus_ said. if you have 4+ disks, use one for redundancy. |
| [22:34:29] | PoeticIntensity: | BenB: You're absolutely right – maybe... |
| [22:34:49] | PoeticIntensity: | HD space is also a consideration I've taken... |
| [22:34:49] | BenB: | Daedalus_: if somebody *sold* me mythtv, I'd hate him forever. or go ballistic. |
| [22:35:07] | PoeticIntensity: | My set up backs up all movies / media to a separate machine in a different room. |
| [22:35:19] | BenB: | Daedalus_: I like mythtv for the features and the freedom, but I *hate* it for the product quality. |
| [22:35:20] | PoeticIntensity: | so when my mytbox croaks, I'll have a second one ready to plug in and run... |
| [22:35:26] | Daedalus_: | BenB: only because you know its A) free, and B) have the brains to deal with it as it morphs over time. |
| [22:35:37] | PoeticIntensity: | and... there are so many backup options available – I'm sure the customers will choose one and run with it.. |
| [22:35:39] | Daedalus_: | BenB |
| [22:35:41] | PoeticIntensity: | again... this is all premature. |
| [22:36:14] | BenB: | Daedalus_: I don't understand. ... nevermind. |
| [22:36:17] | Daedalus_: | BenB: honestly, I haven't had a problem with it one I settle into a stable release. i've had afew bad upgrades, but nothing's wrong with it otherwise.. |
| [22:36:57] | PoeticIntensity: | Daedalus_: That's precisely what I mean when I say "My wife uses is and loves it"... She *hates* it when I upgrade my gentoo / myth box, though because I always have problems. |
| [22:37:12] | Daedalus_: | Curses... I keep dropping characters. |
| [22:37:15] | PoeticIntensity: | but in the meantime – she doesn't have any problems actually using it. |
| [22:37:39] | PoeticIntensity: | anywho.... |
| [22:37:56] | PoeticIntensity: | These are all excellent ideas.... / food for thought / etc.... |
| [22:38:11] | PoeticIntensity: | We'll see what the uppity's think about it next week. |
| [22:38:26] | PoeticIntensity: | *note to self* – Don't upgrade anything in the meantime! ;-) |
| [22:38:29] | BenB: | Daedalus_: yeah, people keep saying that. my experience is different. I stick to releases, 0.19.1 curently. 3 different systems (masters). the system of my patents crashes once a week – at least. and I see crashes here, too, although I use a different distro, different signal etc.. |
| [22:38:59] | Daedalus_: | PoeticIntensity: read the GPL first. You don't want them to get foaming at the mouth for something they can't really sell. |
| [22:39:09] | PoeticIntensity: | *great* idea. |
| [22:39:16] | PoeticIntensity: | is that only found in the myth sourcecode? |
| [22:39:32] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: the GPL? no, search on google. |
| [22:39:47] | PoeticIntensity: | oh... I've read the main GPL – I was just curious to see if myth had altered it at all. |
| [22:39:47] | Daedalus_: | PoeticIntensity: It's the only place I can difinitively say it exists. It might be elsewhere on the mythtv website. |
| [22:40:10] | PoeticIntensity: | Heck.... I don't know nothing about what I'm doing. |
| [22:40:19] | PoeticIntensity: | If the guys like the interface and think it might work – I'll dig into it deeper. |
| [22:40:28] | Daedalus_: | BenB: There are many GPL's. I don't want him caught suprised by a cease/desist letter ;) |
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| [22:40:58] | PoeticIntensity: | Thanks Daedalus_ – me either. |
| [22:41:12] | PoeticIntensity: | anyway.... I'm outta here... I've gotta get back to work. |
| [22:42:30] | BenB: | PoeticIntensity: ok. schedule half a year of work before you can sell mythtv. include costs for licences (patents, tvdata etc.), support and a good developer who can fix things in the source for you (you'll need it). |
| [22:42:50] | BenB: | (good = $$) |
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| [22:45:35] | Daedalus_: | BenB: He's doomed. Nice idea, but still too risky at the moment, in my opinion. |
| [22:46:08] | Daedalus_: | And for minor geeks, things like KnoppMyth will hose him. |
| [22:46:12] | BenB: | same here. I thought about it as well, actually talked to a high-end hifi store. |
| [22:46:55] | Daedalus_: | *nods* |
| [22:47:01] | BenB: | I think that high-end market is a good one, because there's a lot of money, and they want the newest stuff, but I don't think mythtv delivers the quality needed. these are guys who buy gold cables. |
| [22:47:16] | BenB: | cables, not just gold plated connectors. |
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| [22:48:03] | JohnQ: | If I go out and buy a PVR-500... but still want a remote.. what are my options? |
| [22:48:27] | Daedalus_: | JohnQ: use LIRC with any of the general remote products out there. |
| [22:48:47] | BenB: | JohnQ: if you have a serial port, I'd suggest one of the lirc receivers for $5. they work very well, out of the box, and with almost all remotes. |
| [22:49:01] | BenB: | e.g. on ir-ben.de (not me) |
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| [22:50:23] | JohnQ: | My motherboard clames to have an "irda header" but nothing shows up in lspci that would pretend to be part of it. There is no physical IR hardware connected to it though.. |
| [22:51:28] | JohnQ: | or would it show up as a different com port? |
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| [22:53:35] | BenB: | JohnQ: irda is generally useless for remotes |
| [22:55:51] | JohnQ: | Ah. I see. that helps... so basically I have nothing but need a ir remote reciever. |
| [22:59:02] | JohnQ: | how is one supposed to pronounce Hauppauge anyway? "hop-age"? |
| [23:01:38] | medwards: | I pronounce the last bit paj |
| [23:02:14] | Goose-BA: | whenever i schedule a show to record it stops recording after a while. DOesnt stop at any specific time it just stops the recording at random times |
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| [23:05:20] | JohnQ: | dangit, my local computer stores cary *nothing*. So much for getting it today. |
| [23:08:11] | a1fa|64: | anybody using their mythtv as a firewall too? |
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| [23:09:09] | hashbang: | JohnQ: Hop-HAWG |
| [23:09:45] | hashbang: | a1fa|64: yup |
| [23:09:50] | JohnQ: | heh I didnt even think of thay one :-) |
| [23:10:24] | BenB: | how-powge |
| [23:10:42] | a1fa|64: | hashbang: hows that working out for you? |
| [23:11:36] | hashbang: | a1fa|64: fine. Linux iptables for a small, fairly quiet network is less than 1% CPU |
| [23:11:54] | hashbang: | a1fa|64: my myth box is only a Celeron 1.7GHz |
| [23:11:56] | ** nero uses his mythbox as a firewall as well. ** | |
| [23:11:56] | BenB: | JohnQ: you won't find the devices I talked about at your local store. |
| [23:12:04] | BenB: | nero: outch! |
| [23:12:13] | JohnQ: | nah I'm talkin about the pvrs |
| [23:12:20] | nero: | BenB, why ouch? |
| [23:12:22] | hashbang: | a1fa|64: it has two DVB-T cards, and is also a privoxy proxy, DNS server, and firewall |
| [23:12:52] | BenB: | nero: because mythtv is running a *lot* of insecure services. |
| [23:12:56] | a1fa|64: | hashbang: at 1% cpu |
| [23:12:59] | a1fa|64: | what cpu |
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| [23:13:12] | BenB: | nero: misconfigure the firewall a bit, or a whole in it, and you are very vulnerable. |
| [23:13:23] | BenB: | s/whole/security hole/ |
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| [23:13:47] | nero: | BenB, ok.. what are these really insecure services that need ports open to the outside in order for mythtv to run? |
| [23:14:46] | BenB: | nero: depends on your definition of "outside". but that leads too far. basically, mythtv is designed without any security considerations. |
| [23:15:12] | ** hashbang has been in computer security for many years now, and knows that this arrangement isn't ideal, but he doesn't want another ~100W of power consumption for ~18–24 hours per day. ** | |
| [23:15:13] | BenB: | nero: buy a linksys wrt54gl, put openwrt on it, and you have a dedicated, decent firewall for $60 or so. |
| [23:15:31] | BenB: | hashbang: wrt :) |
| [23:15:39] | nero: | BenB, I am still wondering what services I need to have ports open "to the whole world" that are opening security holes.. |
| [23:15:48] | BenB: | hashbang: wonderful little devices. |
| [23:16:09] | BenB: | nero: no services to the world. zero. none. |
| [23:16:18] | nero: | well there we go.. |
| [23:16:32] | BenB: | nero: now do a netstat -ap on your mythtv box :) |
| [23:16:35] | medwards: | Hey is there anyway to make mythweb work /wo mod_env for apache2? |
| [23:16:48] | hashbang: | BenB: how many ethernet interfaces? |
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| [23:17:07] | BenB: | hashbang: one to the internal host, but with vlan. |
| [23:17:13] | BenB: | hashbang: so, effectively 5. |
| [23:17:24] | BenB: | (assuming vlan is secure) |
| [23:18:14] | BenB: | hashbang: openwrt.org |
| [23:19:05] | hashbang: | BenB: right. Firewalling using VLANs isn't ideal either. :-) |
| [23:19:54] | BenB: | hashbang: well, are there any actual dangers? |
| [23:20:35] | BenB: | I mean, the whole concept of firewalling is not 100% bullet-proof. there could be a bug in the vlan device/code, but same for the firewall code. |
| [23:21:17] | hashbang: | BenB: there are VLAN hopping/injection attacks out there |
| [23:21:29] | BenB: | hashbang: can you point me to them? |
| [23:21:38] | hashbang: | BenB: probably not a concern here, as they require local segment access, anyway. |
| [23:21:49] | BenB: | hashbang: because I am about to (or currently do) trust my network on that wrt. |
| [23:22:10] | EvilDonkey: | Could anyone tell me where the jitter reduction and experimental a/v sync options are supposed to be located? |
| [23:22:23] | hashbang: | BenB: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclie . . . =arhont+vlan |
| [23:22:24] | EvilDonkey: | and if they wouldn't be there for any reason? |
| [23:22:30] | BenB: | hashbang: exactly because I want to save these 100W :) |
| [23:22:41] | JohnQ: | woohoo! Circuit city has one :-) |
| [23:23:02] | BenB: | JohnQ: has what exactly? |
| [23:23:03] | hashbang: | BenB: I'm tempted by the Soekris boxes, but they're a bit spendy. |
| [23:23:13] | JohnQ: | except thay call et a hope-en-aj |
| [23:23:17] | BenB: | JohnQ: a serial lirc receiver in a local store? |
| [23:23:19] | JohnQ: | a pvr 500 |
| [23:23:23] | BenB: | oh. |
| [23:23:33] | BenB: | hashbang: what do they cost? |
| [23:23:43] | hashbang: | BenB: hundreds of $ |
| [23:23:48] | JohnQ: | the 150s that come with remotes... do they come with a reciever too? |
| [23:24:20] | BenB: | JohnQ: if it has a remote, it has a receiver, too. but often built into the card. |
| [23:24:36] | hashbang: | http://www.soekris.com/how_to_buy.htm |
| [23:24:47] | hashbang: | about 185 should cover a basic cased model |
| [23:24:55] | hashbang: | then you need a PSU and a CF card |
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| [23:25:01] | BenB: | hashbang: that's like a via eden, right? |
| [23:25:34] | hashbang: | BenB: most are 100 or 133MHz 486s |
| [23:26:22] | Goose-BA: | whenever i schedule a show to record it stops recording after a while. DOesnt stop at any specific time it just stops the recording at random times |
| [23:26:49] | BenB: | hashbang: I bet my wrts are faster :) |
| [23:27:05] | hashbang: | BenB: wouldn't take much. :-) |
| [23:28:00] | BenB: | hashbang: there is a large number of similar devices, though, e.g. the asus 500 deluxe with USB port. maybe you can find one that has 2 internal NICs. |
| [23:28:39] | BenB: | hashbang: thanks for the vlan hopping link, though. I'll try to read it, but are too tired for full disclosure now :) |
| [23:28:45] | hashbang: | heh |
| [23:29:03] | hashbang: | BenB: it may not be a concern, in practice |
| [23:29:34] | BenB: | hashbang: you said local access? that means you gotta be on the LAN (how's that)? |
| [23:30:06] | BenB: | em, better -> query |
| [23:30:14] | hashbang: | BenB: I'm pretty sure. Because the VLAN encapsulation won't make it intact across a routed network, I reckon |
| [23:30:39] | ** hashbang doesn't really grok VLANing too much. ** | |
| [23:30:45] | BenB: | well,. he wrote "including an external host on the Internet" |
| [23:31:29] | BenB: | it's completely new to me, too. but if a local host can confuse the switch, the switch implmentation is broken IMHO. |
| [23:31:48] | hashbang: | BenB: seen ettercap |
| [23:31:49] | hashbang: | ? |
| [23:31:56] | BenB: | hm, no? |
| [23:31:59] | hashbang: | fun |
| [23:32:19] | hashbang: | blasts a switch, makes it degrade into a hub, thereby allowing sniffing |
| [23:32:40] | BenB: | yeah, I see. |
| [23:32:59] | BenB: | blasts the MAC table, you mean, I guess. |
| [23:33:09] | a1fa|64: | you can sniff on a switch too |
| [23:36:26] | BenB: | hashbang: ok, I tried to read http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-discl . . . /040333.html , but I don't understand it. |
| [23:39:31] | BenB: | hashbang: i don't see the problem in theory either: switch gets a packet. switch creates a metadata field in it, called "myvlan", content "blue". send all that to eth0. eth0 looks at the proprietory packet, the field "myvlan", sees "blue", sends to iface "vlanblue", after stripping "myvlan". if packet arrives at switch or ifaces with something that looks like "myvlan", it gets stripped before it is processed. |
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| [23:40:56] | BenB: | since myvlan never leaves that switch/eth0 combination, cascaded vlans are not a problem either. |
| [23:43:19] | BenB: | ah: "The recommended configuration is to disable 802.1q trunking everywhere" |
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| [23:44:34] | BenB: | (cisco response) so, this only applies, if the switch allows vlan trunking on the port you're connected to. I'd call that a misconfiguration. if that's the default, that's a bug. I don't know how the wrt behaves, hardware and software (original vs. openwrt). |
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