Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, August 6th, 2006, 00:05 UTC

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Juski:

wow you'd be able to get 'wealth tv' & a big ole load of evangelist channels.. go for it :-/

[00:05:32]

Juski:

defaultro: you need a dvb-s card, obviously :)

[00:05:35]

defaultro:

oh ok

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defaultro:

so not really nice?

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Juski:

depends on whether you'd consider the channels to be worth watching or not

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defaultro:

i live shows like DIY, sci-fi, sports

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defaultro:

like

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defaultro:

so is it really nice to subscribe instead to comcast or directtv/dishnetwork?

[00:06:53]

defaultro:

i mean, better

[00:07:16]

defaultro:

it's because, i've read somewhere that c-band is better. Is it true?

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Juski:

it depends on what content you like, as I said

[00:08:01]

Juski:

in the cable world, you have to pay for the (marginally) good stuff

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defaultro:

i just mentioned it, sports, sci-fi and diys

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defaultro:

ok

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Juski:

I dunno what kind of thing the local affiliates offer, but I imagine it'd be rammed full of ads

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defaultro:

so in c-band world, you don't pay for it like our antenna in our roof which just receives broadcast?

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Juski:

you can pay for encrypted stuff

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kormoc:

ooh, you pay for any not OTA satalite channels

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Juski:

you get nowt good for free – that's the jist of it. unless you really like shopping/evangelist stuff

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Juski:

hrm I doubt HBO in that list is really unencrypted

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Juski:

pah and clicking on a bunch of channels not listed there as encrypted takes you to their homepages where they talk money

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Juski:

<voicetype="Nelson">Ha-ha</voicetype>

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scottder:

Hmm maybe I'll run a trace next time I restart the Frontend...see whats making MythMusic seg fault on me

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defaultro:

im back

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defaultro:

Juski, based from your experience, c-band isn't really a good idea. We'd rather go with comcast/dishnetwork or directv

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Juski:

not my experience at all .. just my PoV

[00:26:05]

Juski:

yay finished building svn

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defaultro:

coool

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defaultro:

what are the latest additions to myth?

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defaultro:

i havent updated mine for the last 5 months

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defaultro:

especially now, my myth is turned off and will be for a month

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defaultro:

it will be up again on aug 30

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kormoc:

defaultro, you could say... I donno... check the changelog?

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defaultro:

hi kormoc, how are you?

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kormoc:

doin well, how are you?

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defaultro:

pissed off w/ my builder

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defaultro:

:(

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defaultro:

i had a closing date of aug 25 then 2 days ago, they cancelled it. They move it to aug 30

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defaultro:

a lot of things got affected, kid's school, storage space, mortgage rate and lock, truck rental for the move, frick!

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defaultro:

but overall, it's still great :D

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Juski:

5 days over isn't too bad for builders

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kormoc:

nice

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defaultro:

bad for me though

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defaultro:

lock in rate expires aug 26

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defaultro:

school starts aug 28

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defaultro:

storage and townhouse rental

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Juski:

ow

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defaultro:

glad i had a lawyer, my builder should pay all the expenses :)

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defaultro:

i havent heard back though from my lawyer

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LLyric:

Is it just me, or is the interface to mythmusic pretty terrible?

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defaultro:

what's wrong?

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gardengnome:

LLyric: it is.

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defaultro:

my mythmusic is working fine the last time i used it

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gardengnome:

just using it is fine.ö but don't ever create a playlist.

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LLyric:

The playlist support is really basic, doesn't support browsing by metadata (title, album, artist, year, etc)

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LLyric:

It "should" at least do all the things an ipod does :)

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defaultro:

as long as I can play the song, it's enough for me

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Juski:

not yet :-P

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** LLyric has >10,000 songs. It's just not usable **

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Juski:

or is that Fuck you? I can never remember these days

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defaultro:

then i should not expect much since I'm not paying the mythmusic program coder :)

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LLyric:

Just because it's free, doesn't mean it's expected to be crap. Just look at the rest of mythtv – it's not bad :)

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LLyric:

There's a couple of features that I'd (a little) pay for, if someone would write them

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Juski:

mythmusic is getting a well-deserved makeover

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defaultro:

so don't use the word terrible, it hurts the guy that wrote it

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Juski:

I'd pay to have livetv removed... anyone else up for that?

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LLyric:

It's "very basic" then :)

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Juski:

:-P

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defaultro:

oh before i forget

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defaultro:

why do i experience this? Sometimes when i play a recorded show, it's sluggish. So in order to fix it, I pause it for like 3 to 5 secs, then play it again. Sluggish goes away

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Juski:

oh this is good. just upgraded to svn on my umbongo box... which had PIN protection setup.. and I can't get into the setup menus now. nice

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gardengnome:

defaultro: running xvmc?

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defaultro:

nope

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gardengnome:

humm, dunno then

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defaultro:

how's xvmc though? were there major progress?

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Juski:

oh shit. mythfrontend --version ain't reporting the version I checked out yesterday

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defaultro:

check out path juski

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defaultro:

don't do relative

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Juski:

?

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defaultro:

try /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend --version

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** gardengnome really hopes juski de-installed old cruft from /usr/ **

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defaultro:

so guys, should I stick with comcast or should I try DirectTV?

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Juski:

I just tried which mythfrontend & it said /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend

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defaultro:

try it though

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gardengnome:

anyways, night guys. my stomach is killing me here %)

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defaultro:

also do an ls -lrt

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defaultro:

also do an ls -lrt /usr/local/bin/myth*

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Juski:

nn gardengnome

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defaultro:

check if date was yesteray

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defaultro:

so guys, should I stick with comcast or should I try DirectTV?

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defaultro:

Is comcast still cheaper or they're almost the same?

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Juski:

yeah all the dates were yesterday. mythfrontend is highlighted in red

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Juski:

!

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

symbolic link dead

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defaultro:

is is a symbolic link?

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Juski:

yeh it is

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defaultro:

mv it then go back to the dir where you compiled then make install

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Juski:

mv it to where though?

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defaultro:

cd /usr/local/bin && mv mythfrontend mythfrontend.old

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Juski:

ah

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defaultro:

then cd /whatever/myth/svn && make install

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defaultro:

then go back to /usr/local/bin && ls -lrt myth*

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Juski:

gotcha

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defaultro:

looks like we are the only 2 guys here

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defaultro:

i've been wanting to hear about comcast and directv

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defaultro:

i don't know if DirectTv is now offering internet

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defaultro:

and also would like to know if it will be cheaper in DirectTV

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Juski:

we have a similar situation here in the UK

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Juski:

if we want to record premium content, it's set top box into pvr card or bust – no way to grab it direct :-/

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

i thought you were in US

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defaultro:

have you met laga before

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defaultro:

oh wrong

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defaultro:

he is in germany

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Juski:

naw never met laga

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Juski:

damn this is really broken

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Juski:

can't get into the setup menus at all

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PaulWay:

Have either of you guys seen a situation where you can watch a show once, but when you watch a second (unrelated) show, when it finishes or when you quit the frontend gets locked in a loop and cycles between showing you the first and second shows?

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Juski:

PaulWay: sounds pretty frickin weird to me

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PaulWay:

Yeah, that's what I thought.

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medwards:

Bah, my tuner has some weird interference now.. must resolve before working on upgrade..

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PaulWay:

It's been doing it for a couple of months and it's driving us mad. Mad, I tell you!

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defaultro:

i'm lucky, the last time i used my myth, there were no issues similar to yours

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PaulWay:

AFAICS it's limited to me. I just don't know how to find out what's actually going wrong.

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PaulWay:

I've looked through the full debug and there's nothing obvious...

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PaulWay:

Curse, my full debug logs have gone in the reboot. Have to do it again.

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PaulWay:

What the?

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PaulWay:

Stupid question: how do I redirect stderr in bash again?

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PaulWay:

I thought it was 2>&1 but that doesn't seem to be working...

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Juski:

hahah I fixed it. that's definitely a bug

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PaulWay:

That's a good sign – what was wrong, Juski ?

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hads|home:

&>

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medwards:

K guys

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medwards:

I need help figuring out what's wrong with my tuner card.

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Juski:

PaulWay: my previous install was a demo machine at a linux show so it had a PIN code protecting the setup menus

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Juski:

only the SVN install I've just done wouldn't let me get in – nor would it even prompt for a PIN

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medwards:

top 1/5th of the screen flashes to black..

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medwards:

mplayer /dev/video0 produces similar behaviour

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Juski:

medwards: sounds more like a video driver problem

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Juski:

not a tuner card issue

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medwards:

Why would it occur now?

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medwards:

anyways I'll restart X to see.

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PaulWay:

Juski: Ah, that'd be annoying :-)

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medwards:

restarting X didn't do anything

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medwards:

tryied to make a SS will see if it turned out.

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medwards:

ooo

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medwards:

it's a pretty blue color

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medwards:

:/

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medwards:

Juski: if it was video card wouldn't this happen everywhere?

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Juski:

medwards: not necessarily

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PaulWay:

OK, I've got a full debug log for you to read at http://tangram.dnsalias.net/~paulway/mythfe_debug_full_2.log

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PaulWay:

I'm afraid it's 1.2MB (from about 30 seconds of usage).

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Juski:

PaulWay: best thing to do would be to post it on the users ML for best coverage & responses

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PaulWay:

Yeah, I should do that.

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PaulWay:

I just find the mythtv-users list to be hugely verbose...

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PaulWay:

much like this log, really...

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PaulWay:

:-)

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medwards:

well, I have no idea how to fix this tuner, video card, or otherwise..

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Juski:

PaulWay: you should build myth & all the plugins with debug support enabled and run mythfrontend under gdb. see the troubleshooting section of the mythtv.org docs for more info

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Juski:

folks are gonna want to see proper backtraces

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Juski:

I'm saving you the earache now :)

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defaultro:

wow, DirecTV for $54.99 + tax includes 155 channels and 5 HD channels + local OTA HDTV channels

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defaultro:

I think it's a good deal

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defaultro:

is it?

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PaulWay:

Juski: A backtrace is more than a mythfrontend -v full log?

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Juski:

PaulWay: lots more

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PaulWay:

Oh, I see.

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PaulWay:

Yes.

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PaulWay:

Well, that would be changing the version I'm running, though...

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PaulWay:

I'll check it out anyway...

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PaulWay:

Maybe it'll fix the problem, who knows.

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PaulWay:

THough I doubt it somehow...

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** Juski tests mytharchive **

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medwards:

OK

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medwards:

recordings are not affected by this.

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medwards:

going to upload a screenshot to show the problem

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medwards:

(oh the corruption occurs on Live TV when watching on another computer on my network: not a video card problem?)

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Juski:

hey don't chew my head off

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Juski:

software encoding card, am I right?

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medwards:

PVR 250

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Juski:

eew

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medwards:

it does it's own right?

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Juski:

have you changed the livetv profile recently?

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Juski:

or upgraded ivtv?

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medwards:

Juski: I just give you the facts, without judgement. If I think you're barking up the wrong tree I'll let you know, but I REALLY appreciate the help

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Juski:

I just jumped to the conclusion it was some kind of overlay problem ;)

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medwards:

I haven't done anything with ivtv since install, I did touch the transcoding sectiobased on your advice the other day

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Juski:

only transcoding.. not livetv

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medwards:

well

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medwards:

is Live TV transcoded? because thats where the problem is

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Juski:

I've heard about ivtv sometimes having issues with scaling – i.e. not capturing the full PAL/NTSC resolution but I don't think thats it

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medwards:

concur

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Juski:

no livetv isn't transcoded

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medwards:

OK, so this only occurs when I enter Watch TV (although a recording made at ~3AM contained the same artifacts)

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Juski:

is the system housed in a small, cramped case ?

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medwards:

Antec Sonata

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Juski:

so that's a yes then

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medwards:

my friend was thinking something similar, I'm installing lm_sensors right now.

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Juski:

could be overheating

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medwards:

but I never did manage to get that to work on the box in the first place.

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Juski:

take the lid off & see if the problem improves any

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medwards:

see http://walledcity.ca/~medwards/picture_export/Screenshot-2.png

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medwards:

(finally uploaded, going to go take the case cover off now.)

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medwards:

er 20s before it finishes.. problems /w torrenting at the same time.

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Juski:

got it

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Juski:

you might have to power it down for a while, or at least wait a bit to see if lifting the lid has made it any better

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medwards:

yeah

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LLyric:

Or point a fan at it to help a bit

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medwards:

don't own one atm

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medwards:

I'm no heat in computers expert, but the overall heat seems alright. The Power supply is the only thing running pretty hot.

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medwards:

(Sonata's are considered cramped?)

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Juski:

tuner cards _do_ get warm and poor airflow can affect them

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Juski:

medwards: it's very hard to make small, efficiently cooled cases

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medwards:

Right so it could be localized to the tuner card and thats all we need to cause problems.

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Juski:

yup

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LLyric:

my pvr-350 gets damn hot

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medwards:

see.. I never saw my Sonata as that small a case...

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Juski:

it's not specifically SFF as such (like say mini-itx) but it's pretty damn dinky

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jepeltw:

hello everyone. I'm considering making a mythbox of my K6–2 380 and a PVR-150; is that sufficient to run the backend?

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medwards:

It's not like I'm running a miniitx..

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Juski:

oh fuck. sorry. blame me staying up too late again

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Juski:

I'll just STFU :-)

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medwards:

For future (and possibly cooling purposes) Is may Antec P180 considered cramped?

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Juski:

no :-)

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medwards:

no no, you're not allowed to STFU. All suggestions are better than no suggestions.

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Juski:

I was talking complete rubbish.. got it confuzzled with some other antec case

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LLyric:

jepeltw: it's pretty slow, but it should be just okay

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Juski:

the Aria was the one I was thinking of. duh!

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medwards:

Well I haven't done much to it after buying it. It only has one big slow fan so the card might still be a little touch and go..

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Juski:

!trout Juski clue

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a clue trout on behalf of Juski... **

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evilDagmar:

jepeltw: You can give up having it do any commercial flagging tho

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** LLyric goes back to reading poker books **

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evilDagmar:

jepeltw: The 380 will just *barely* be able to record, if you don' bother it with anything else

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Juski:

jepeltw: you might want to reconsider putting mysql on that backend too

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jepeltw:

evilDagmar, when you pause live TV and then resume it, it encodes and decodes at the same time; would that work?

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Juski:

I mean mythbackend takes less than 5% CPU recording 3 shows on a 2ghz system.. but on a 350mhz cpu... I think the db insertions alone might prove too much for it.. and it certainly won't be able to play mpeg2 without help

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evilDagmar:

No, it doesn't.

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LLyric:

My 800Mhz machine worked fine, as a front+backend (pvr-350)

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evilDagmar:

jepeltw: The *reason* you're buying a PVR card is because *it* does the encoding to MPG.

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evilDagmar:

jepeltw: Your *frontend* is the only thing doing any decoding.

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jepeltw:

evilDagmar, aha! thanks

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evilDagmar:

jepeltw: If you think you're running both the frontend AND the backend on that 380Mhz CPU, we're going to have to laugh at you.

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mos__:

if you get a 350 it can decode for you

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mos__:

but that still might be too much for that cpu

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Juski:

you _might_ get away with it just running the backend, but forget about transcoding, cd ripping, dvd ripping & commflagging

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jepeltw:

I'm not, at any point, even considering using it as a frontend; i've got a ppc mini for that

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medwards:

ack! the flickering is getting worse...

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evilDagmar:

Semprons are real cheap now apparently.

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medwards:

I'll shutdown.. even though I'm sure lirc will be broken at bootup.

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jepeltw:

Juski, _might_ get away as in "buy your tuner card from somewhere with a good return policy"?

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Juski:

medwards: are you getting any kernel messages while this is happenning?

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medwards:

crap

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medwards:

can't check anymore.

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Juski:

jepeltw: no I mean try it but don't come running to me when it doesn't work well. then if it doesn't get a beefier machine, say a 500Mhz P3 as an absolute minimum

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mos__:

jepeltw, yeah

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medwards:

Lets talk about the TV profile: You saw the screenshot, how likely is it that that was caused by a change in the Live TV profile?

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Juski:

medwards: not likely

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mos__:

you can buy a good box off ebay for only a hundred or so that would be powerful enough for the backend

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medwards:

K, recommended time to allow the computer to cool to room temp?

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mos__:

medwards, cooling the cpu would take about 20–30 mins, depending on how hot it is and how hot room temp is where you are

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wireddd:

should I use the debian repositories or build from source on debian etch?

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medwards:

20–23 celcius. I'll try again at 2030.

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evilDagmar:

Oh just put an ice cube right on it

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evilDagmar:

All CPUs *love* rapid cooling cycles

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mos__:

LOL

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evilDagmar:

I am still pissed that I actually had a CPU die on me

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evilDagmar:

That's pretty much a first in like, 20 years

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mos__:

evilDagmar, Ive only had one, and it went up in purple smoke

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Juski:

3am.. time for bed

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Juski:

nn all

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mos__:

pretty and horifying at the same time

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evilDagmar:

I don't overclock, I maintain my cooling elements rigorously. Damnit, I should be exempt from failure rates.

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medwards:

noo

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medwards:

Juski's not allowed to sleep until I have goot TV.

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wireddd:

do I need to have a tuner card installed in order to install the backend? my tuner card is still in the mail...

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evilDagmar:

You can install it

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evilDagmar:

You just won't be able to do anything with it

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medwards:

Lets talk about quality guys. My cable goes to PVR 250 on coax and comes out of a GeForce 5700FX on SVideo. There is NOTICEABLE difference in quality from straight-in to TV. What's causing it, and can I fix it?

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evilDagmar:

medwards: Have you bothered to take some of the encoded video and look at it on a monitor?

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medwards:

yeah I ran mythfrontend on my desktop

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evilDagmar:

Okay, then you probably bought a cheap-ass video card

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medwards:

lol

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evilDagmar:

Sketchily manufactured video cards tend to have seriously substandard S-Video output

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medwards:

I hear the PVR 350 has TV out, is it pretty good?

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evilDagmar:

No idea

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evilDagmar:

I just have several varying quality nVidia cards here

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evilDagmar:

Buying the $16 Vanta instead of a new fan for my 5200 was a waste of freaking money

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evilDagmar:

The ones with the best output seem to be the nicer ones that don't have the s-video port right on the card, but in an external box

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medwards:

Is there a good site for me to compae my manufacturerfor a given model?

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medwards:

OK, bootup time.

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RandomDude15:

hey

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RandomDude15:

im having issues

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RandomDude15:

transcoding a recording

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RandomDude15:

from tonight

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RandomDude15:

also im able to delete livetv feeds using mythweb right?

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RandomDude15:

and it deletes it from the autoexpire list?

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RandomDude15:

its pissing me off

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RandomDude15:

the transcoding

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RandomDude15:

not working

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RandomDude15:

it keeps saying errored out

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evilDagmar:

Per usual, there's nothing anyone can do unless they know WHAT the error is.

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evilDagmar:

Less enter, more spacebar.

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medwards:

evilDagmar: lol. I hope that's not a hard and fast rule. I tend to be a little like RD15 at times.

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medwards:

So TV looks better now. Either something got a little too toasty, or something got installed in the updates I wanted to reboot for that fixed things.

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medwards:

I'd like to install something to just cool my tuner and gfx card.. ideas?

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evilDagmar:

medwards: By now he's been in here enough that he should know we need to see some kind of error message to be able to comment ata all

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RandomDude15:

you know, the thing is it doesn't give me an error message. it just says errored.

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LLyric:

medwards: a fan?

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evilDagmar:

You can actually buy a thing that will mount on the rear slots right under the AGP port and blow air right on the card

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evilDagmar:

The tuner cards really shouldn't need much cooling tho

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evilDagmar:

overkill fans: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.j . . . tCode=375302

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evilDagmar:

No those are not graphics. The damn thing has letters that are displayed by strobing LEDs on the fan blades

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wireddd:

how do I go about adding all of my media directories to mythtv? what do I need to edit?

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mocker:

Woo, last.fm support in Amarok is pretty nice.

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carden:

anyone using a hauppauge 350 displaying the interface directly to the TV?

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LLyric:

yeah

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LLyric:

i was

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carden:

I was trying to follow some instructions for downloading and installing the binary module driver for X, but the instructions tell me to install it into a directory that doesnt exists.... I was hoping there would be a gentoo potrage package for it :P

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Hoxzer:

Geez, I'm totally hooked to lost experience

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LLyric:

Sorry, I don't know about gentoo.

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Hoxzer:

:D I tried to get sleep in 6hours but couldn't do it

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evilDagmar:

Phew

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Hoxzer:

I thought they were after me

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LLyric:

Hoxzer: lost experience?

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carden:

well the main problem is ehere the module files need to live.

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Hoxzer:

LLyric: arg

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evilDagmar:

Someone was trying to get me to reenable the fire suppression system here over the phone, on an *unlabeled* switch

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evilDagmar:

I'm like "If you're wrong about this, I'm very fucking fired. This will wait until morning."

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carden:

heh NM found it

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evilDagmar:

We Do Not Play Games Of Chance With Halon.

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evilDagmar:

If a fire breaks out tonight I'll beat it out with a blanket or something

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wireddd:

its going to be nice once I can use mythtv via xbmc

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medwards:

Hoxzer: Is there new stuff on the Lost Experience? I only followed it closely as Season 2 came to a close

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Hoxzer:

medwards: :/ well actually I just watch videos from youtube and so... and also I read somehting from lostpedia

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Hoxzer:

I dont like pages as they run flash :/

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carden:

anyone currently outputing mythtv to a TV through their tuner device? mine does not seem to be working and the howto has no troubleshooting

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mos__:

carden, what card?

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carden:

hauppauge 350

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mos__:

it works fine if you configure X right

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carden:

trying to use in conjunction with a monitor and fluxbox, fluxbox off the nvidia is working

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mos__:

and install the ivtv stuff for it

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evilDagmar:

There's plenty of documentation on getting those cards working.

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carden:

trying to put one display on the monitor the other on the TV

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mos__:

ivtvdriver.org has a good howto

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PaulWay:

Anyone know the difference between the Via CN and E series MiniITX boards?

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carden:

hmmm looks like the guide I followed for installing the driver didnt work ...

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evilDagmar:

PaulWay: Varying levels of Engrish in the manual, probably

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medwards:

Hoxzer: That's OK, Thats what I ended up doing half the time anyways. Was a nice thing to do @ work though.

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medwards:

Hoxzer: I just wish I learned stuff that could actually be applied to events in Season 2... oh well, maybe this fall right?

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Hoxzer:

medwards: for some reason always when I try to find clues about lost experience I get scared of somebody coming behind me and saying "You know oto mutch now!"

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Hoxzer:

medwards: but what really intrest me is http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Leonard

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Hoxzer:

medwards: wait a sec I paste you one video

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Hoxzer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE5BLvbtVdw&am . . . &search=

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Hoxzer:

You see

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Hoxzer:

Third basement

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Hoxzer:

maybe this Leonard is from there... and got crazy trying to calculate something really hard

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Hoxzer:

and end up saying those numbers becuase they are part of the calculation

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Hoxzer:

Like I sometimes say numbers aloud while I calculate something in my head

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Hoxzer:

ALSO

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Hoxzer:

you need to see this medwards are you there?

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medwards:

Assuming he came from this third basement, then it is more plausible that he was autistic.

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medwards:

Probably trying to parse some super-messed up formula, gets and answer but the process or the result or the implications mess him up.

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Hoxzer:

Yep might be

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medwards:

Anyways, when did these bits get put together? These are *far* in excess of what was being distributed at the end of Season 2

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Hoxzer:

he is talking about somekind of sequence

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Hoxzer:

You need to see orientation film for all island workers

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Hoxzer:

wait a sec I paste it to you

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Hoxzer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ynJwOvJD8&NR it is a bondage of many clips

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medwards:

Is this the orientation stuff we've already seen in the show?

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Hoxzer:

no wait a sec...

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Hoxzer:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Sri_Lanka_Video

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Hoxzer:

It explains where it was found

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Hoxzer:

medwards: and this girl ... rachel blake is also known as persephone

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Hoxzer:

an hacker who hacked hansofoundation phonelines and web sites

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Hoxzer:

but I think it is already old stuff

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medwards:

ah persephone, I remember that

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Hoxzer:

Yep that girl in the video is rachel blake

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Hoxzer:

She has posted many videos now

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Hoxzer:

about 10 at least

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Hoxzer:

Also there is this guy called dj dan dunno mutch about him

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Hoxzer:

but he has posted some ads made by hansofoundation and I also found about this ape called "joop"

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Hoxzer:

whose age is 105 years :o

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medwards:

yeah joop and dj dan were involved in the early portions

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medwards:

That last clip is so inconclusive...

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medwards:

Still *no* idea what the ultimate purpose of the facilities on the island are.

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Hoxzer:

medwards: yep, actually it is incomplete :/

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Hoxzer:

all the pieces hasn't been found yet

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medwards:

Hoxzer: the problem is my suspension of disbelief starts to break when you never get anything ultimately meaningful.

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medwards:

You never get anything that would put you even measurably further along in your understanding of what's going on.

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Hoxzer:

but you know, in the video they are talking about sequence that will reveal when human race "kills" it self

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medwards:

referring to nuclear war.

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medwards:

or not referring to nuclear war

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medwards:

or referring to the island

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medwards:

or the island is a way out

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medwards:

you see?

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medwards:

Too many points of potential extrapolation.

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medwards:

Then you build arguments and theories based on lines of extrapolation that may not even reflect the entire spectrum of what could be going on.

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Hoxzer:

might be ..

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Hoxzer:

But the truth is in persephones video they are talking about sequence that is calculated over and over again in mental hostpital in basement 3

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medwards:

yeah, that one is very interesting even if it doesn't give us anything solid related to the first hatch.

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medwards:

I'm more interested in the little things they spend time on in the show

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medwards:

like enhanced images of the UV map on the hatch door.

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medwards:

Or you know the whispering in the jungle? After audio manipulation you end up hearing some weird things. Suggestive transcripts kicking around on the web.

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Hoxzer:

:/ yep but it depends on how do you manipulate audio

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medwards:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Box

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Hoxzer:

if they reverse it or something like simple it might be ...

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Hoxzer:

but you can get things sound almost anything

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medwards:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Whispers

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Hoxzer:

:O that is somehting I didn't know

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Hoxzer:

is there any screen captures about that "Box" ?

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Hoxzer:

oh, in flash backs

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Hoxzer:

dood that is somehting NICE!

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medwards:

the whispers? I know.

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Hoxzer:

no, the box

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Hoxzer:

whispers are too scary right now

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medwards:

Oh, the Box is just hella funny.

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Hoxzer:

I tried to find clues about things ... in the evening :D I didn't get sleep at all on night time

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Hoxzer:

but it is part of the game

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medwards:

I wish that first Alternate Reality Game by EA was still around.

[06:11:33]

medwards:

After even half a day of the Lost Experience I realized that I totally would have freaking bought into it.

[06:11:56]

Hoxzer:

medwards: :D but Identity Theories about that box seem littlebit wierd ... "May be the Original Sawyer. "

[06:12:04]

Hoxzer:

how can box be a person like "explain"

[06:13:15]

medwards:

Thats because they're making fun of the totally wack theories you see on these things.

[06:14:05]

Hoxzer:

"The box IS Flight 815." :/

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medwards:

Its cool that they reused the prop, but it's about as relevant as all cop car #s in the last Ana Lucia episode being the numbers.

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Hoxzer:

yep = joop in finnish :P

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Hoxzer:

joop is that monkey

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Hoxzer:

that has camero on it

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medwards:

yeah the 105 yr one

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Hoxzer:

*camera

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Hoxzer:

yep

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medwards:

that was an entry point for some other pointless UI widgets.

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Hoxzer:

but this is just what I like in lost

[06:18:34]

Hoxzer:

it is just made so psychological

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Hoxzer:

like the orientation videos are just made so crazy looking they just make you feel like .... somehting is happening

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Hoxzer:

and the hatch

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Hoxzer:

like everything musics ...

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Hoxzer:

it just makes you fear and feel ...scared

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Hoxzer:

but still want to watch the series

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medwards:

yeah

[06:19:54]

medwards:

The TV show is well done. The extras feel like they're dragging on for me is all.

[06:21:03]

medwards:

Anyhoo, I should set up eclipse and install some package maker stuff so I can install 0.20 tomorrow.

[06:23:08]

Hoxzer:

0.20 :/ I can't even get my 0.19 totally stable

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Hoxzer:

hasn't crash for like a month now but ...

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medwards:

-fixes?

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medwards:

I'm on 0.18 and it just can't keep my database connection going

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Hoxzer:

yep

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medwards:

Anyways, I maybe want to see if I can understand the code and make some contribs. Going to warm up by making debs for 0.20. Then see where the wind takes me from there.

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podzap:

huomenta

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medwards:

ok sleep time. Nice talking to you Hoxzer, I'll be idling around for awhile yet so I'll see you later.

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** medwards collapses into bed **

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podzap:

anybody else here using a logitech harmony remote control?

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carden:

with mythTV and a hauppauge 350, should the remote be able to navigate the main menu?

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podzap:

carden: you need to have a properly configured lircrc and lircd.conf for your remote and IR receiver

[06:54:35]

carden:

I found the problem

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carden:

sortof

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carden:

mythtv: could not connect to socket <-- I can see the remote messages in /var/log/messages however myth cannot connect to it

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podzap:

socket permission problems

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podzap:

i use minimyth as a front-end and it just works (tm) :-)

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carden:

anyone have an idea of what the default resolution of a TV screen is? mine is a bit whacky

[07:18:27]

carden:

well I cant see all the buttons that is

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kormoc:

648 by 486

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carden:

hmmmm I wonder if my 350 card isnt respecting the mode settings

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hads|home:

Resolution depends on where you are i.e PAL/NTSC

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carden:

NTSC, using composit at the moment

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hads|home:

Then what kormoc said

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carden:

right, adjusted the modes in xorg.conf but image is still too big for the screen

[07:22:19]

kormoc:

the 350's tv out will down sample to that res

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kormoc:

there's gui offset settings in mythfrontends settings to fix that

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carden:

ok

[07:23:05]

carden:

so just complete the setup and worry about the details later? ;)

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evilDagmar:

I wonder if the off-by-one bug is going to be fixed in .20 or will I have to start just poking random var++ instructions into the code

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Jasper:

Dagmar

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evilDagmar:

eh?

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evilDagmar:

Got it working with something other than Gentoo64 I take it?

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Jasper:

hmm evilDagmar

[07:43:02]

evilDagmar:

I did more digging on that after I got home

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Jasper:

no..it didn't work with 32 bit either

[07:43:12]

Jasper:

and someone here came up with the solution..

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evilDagmar:

What in god's name was broken?

[07:43:22]

Jasper:

I had something disabled in the kernel

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Jasper:

1 option

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evilDagmar:

heheh

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Jasper:

that's why it didn't work

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evilDagmar:

Which one?

[07:43:43]

Jasper:

but he came with that solution after I formatted my box

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Jasper:

to 32 bit

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Jasper:

so I reformatted it back to 64 bit last night

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Jasper:

erm

[07:43:58]

Jasper:

kinda logical option

[07:44:02]

Jasper:

enable firmware loading

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Jasper:

woops

[07:44:08]

Jasper:

wrong one

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Jasper:

it was enable kernel module loading

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evilDagmar:

hHHAHAHAHAH

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Jasper:

8)

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Jasper:

not so funny :(

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hads|home:

It is a bit funny

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evilDagmar:

Oh that IS funny tho

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Jasper:

well, you also never came with that option :P

[07:44:49]

evilDagmar:

I would have honestly never thought that had been left out

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Jasper:

me neither

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evilDagmar:

I'm astonished the kernel was able to load _any_ modules

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Jasper:

ye..

[07:45:16]

Jasper:

and how nvidia worked?

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Jasper:

I have no clue

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podzap:

hey, are the frontend and backend versions tightly coupled?

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evilDagmar:

podzap: In that they have to be the same versions or the frontend will tell you to bugger off? Yes.

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Jasper:

but evilDagmar I'm installing 64 bit now

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Jasper:

have to do a update world...and then I will see

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Jasper:

if it works

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Jasper:

if it doesn't..

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evilDagmar:

Well, so long as you don't disable module loading again it should work fine

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evilDagmar:

That's normally on by default

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Jasper:

I never disabled it..

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Jasper:

so guess it was not on by default..

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evilDagmar:

Some Gentoo devs are in need of stabbin' then

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Jasper:

guess so

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podzap:

all gentoo devs and users are in need of stabbin' :-)

[07:47:12]

Jasper:

maybe when you do genkernel it's on by default

[07:47:19]

Jasper:

but not when you configure it manually

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podzap:

emerge big_fucking_knife

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Jasper:

I wanna have this box finished before I move to the new house

[07:47:45]

Jasper:

:P

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evilDagmar:

Yeah, I usually start my baseline kernel by running `make mrproper && make menuconfig` if I can't recycle an older config.

[07:48:11]

evilDagmar:

Jasper: Hey at least you didn't have to order a new motherboard, CPU, and RAM this morning

[07:48:23]

Jasper:

you're right...I should be happy

[07:48:23]

Jasper:

:P

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evilDagmar:

I wasn't going to pay $42 for a replacement Pro1800+ when I could just go ahead and get a damn 64-bit 3000+ for $54

[07:49:06]

Jasper:

I have to figure out how I'm gonna connect this box to both a beamer and tv

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Jasper:

and be able to use them seperatly

[07:49:14]

Jasper:

is that possible?

[07:49:21]

evilDagmar:

What's a beamer?

[07:49:29]

Jasper:

a projector?

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Jasper:

on a white screen

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Jasper:

you know what I mean?

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podzap:

beamer is european word for vga projector

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evilDagmar:

You just use two different outputs, but I don't think Myth has any way of really dealing with mutiple TV displaus

[07:50:14]

hads|home:

or a BMW

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podzap:

beamer is american word for bmw

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evilDagmar:

It'll run the menus on one monitor and the video on another monitor mainly only as a side-effect/misconfiguration

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evilDagmar:

I have a beamer. A 325i

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Jasper:

oh so I can't have like 2 frontends running?

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Jasper:

totaly seperate

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evilDagmar:

I ordered one of those Sumo Lounge beanbags, and I'm praying I don't miss the FedEx guy delivering it.

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Jasper:

;p

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evilDagmar:

You can have two frontends running, with two separate displays

[07:51:35]

Jasper:

hmm but I don't have 2 pci-express cards

[07:51:40]

Jasper:

so how am I gonna fix that?

[07:51:40]

Jasper:

:P

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evilDagmar:

If I miss the FedEx guy I'm going to have to beg them to try redelivery. There's no way I can get somethign that voluminous in my little bitty car

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evilDagmar:

Run X in dualdisplay/xinerama mode

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Jasper:

what kinda car you have?

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evilDagmar:

A BMW 325i

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Jasper:

a

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Jasper:

bigger then a golf?

[07:52:36]

Jasper:

volkswagen

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evilDagmar:

I don't dare order more than one or two of them at once, although I want 3–4

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Jasper:

8)

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evilDagmar:

Mr. FedEx Man might be a little angry if he's making only one stop

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evilDagmar:

Those are LARGE beanbags to be shipping in anything

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Jasper:

I have to buy furniture too..with my little vw golf...

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Jasper:

I will ask them to deliver it I guess..

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Jasper:

but not with fedex

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evilDagmar:

Jasper: I am kinda of the opinion tat you probably have more space to move stuff since you've a hatchback

[07:54:03]

evilDagmar:

I have a backseat that only very nimble people can get into

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podzap:

man, i'm so glad i finally got my dvd server working. i should write an article or something.

[07:54:21]

Jasper:

maybe a BIT more...

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evilDagmar:

The saving grace of this is that the things only weigh 18lbs each

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Jasper:

I'm wondering ...I wanna put my main box in a closet downstairs...while the tv is upstairs...but I wanna be able to put a dvd upstairs in a unit..so it can be read downstairs

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Jasper:

gonna be tough I guess

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Jasper:

a wireless dvd player :P

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podzap:

Jasper: just image your dvds to a fileserver and be done with it :-)

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podzap:

that's what i've done

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Jasper:

hmm BUT when I hire a dvd I dont wanna put it in downstairs

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Jasper:

see what I mean ? :P

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podzap:

rip it with your laptop and scp it :-)

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Jasper:

is there no hardware way to solve this? :P

[07:57:32]

Jasper:

a very long firewire/usb cable

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Jasper:

maybe

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Jasper:

:P

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Jasper:

I don't know what the loss is on these devices

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evilDagmar:

You definitely can't run USB or firewire over that distance, and *forget* about an IDE or SATA cable that long

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evilDagmar:

You're going to have to basically assemble another backend

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Jasper:

for a dvd only?

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Jasper:

:P

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evilDagmar:

You can always just buy a cheap DVD player

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evilDagmar:

heh

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Jasper:

8)

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podzap:

Jasper: just build a myth frontend for upstairs. you can rip from the front-end to the back-end, over the network.

[08:00:26]

Jasper:

or I could insert dvd's downstairs

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Jasper:

podzap...how am I gonna make a NICE looking NO sound making frontend?

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Jasper:

:P

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podzap:

Jasper: i just made one

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Jasper:

I do have a spare 800 mhz

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Jasper:

machine

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Jasper:

so that's no problem

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podzap:

i made a completely silent front-end

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Jasper:

do you have pictures?

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podzap:

well, the case is a cubid 3688, nothing special

[08:01:56]

podzap:

the motherboard is an EPIA SP8000E, fanless

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hads|home:

The stuff from lex.com.tw is cool

[08:02:09]

podzap:

put a half a gig of ram in, and boot minimyth

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podzap:

i unplugged the small case fan on the cubid, as there is no hard drive in the box

[08:02:42]

Jasper:

what was that name for the fabricant of those nice looking boxes

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podzap:

it's totally silent and very small

[08:03:22]

podzap:

case and motherboard can be ordered from linitx.com (uk)

[08:04:10]

Jasper:

the shuttle boxes are nice

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Jasper:

but kinda expensive

[08:04:58]

podzap:

Jasper: http://www.bigbruin.com/html/morex_3688.htm

[08:05:53]

PaulWay:

podzap: BTW, do you know what the difference between an Epia SP and a CN is?

[08:06:27]

PaulWay:

My brother's building a Myth frontend very similar to that one.

[08:06:45]

PaulWay:

I have my firewall in a 3688 case too, they're quite good.

[08:07:27]

podzap:

PaulWay: SP has on-board padlock encryption engine, not sure about CN.

[08:07:43]

Jasper:

http://eu.shuttle.com/en/desktopdefault.aspx/ . . . _read-13214/

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podzap:

the onboard encryption is hellaciously fast

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Jasper:

check out that box

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Jasper:

evilDagmar

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PaulWay:

Do you mean the onboard MPEG2 decoding?

[08:08:03]

PaulWay:

Or something else?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

PaulWay: it will definitely be on that viaembedded website :P

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carden:

ok I dont get it.... I followed all the howtoos but for some reason it cannot connect to the backend server, and it looks like I have nothing listening on port 6543 ....

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hads|home:

I'd rather a micro atx than a shuttle

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podzap:

PaulWay: just normal encryption

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Jasper:

why hads|home ?

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hads|home:

Mostly because I can choose the motherboard and then upgrade it later if I like and not have to replace the fancy case.

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PaulWay:

I'm with you on that hads|home.

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hads|home:

http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-sg01.htm – similar(ish) size to a shuttle

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PaulWay:

podzap: AFAICS the CN also has it.

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Jasper:

but not as good looking hads|home

[08:12:53]

Jasper:

:P

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hads|home:

Jasper: Yeah the Shuttles are nice but you get a bit more versitility with micro atx and you aren't locked in.

[08:13:38]

PaulWay:

And AFAICS the shop I'm looking at has the CN-10000 for $260AUD vs the SP-8000E for $310AUD.

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hads|home:

PaulWay: Ah, an Aussie :)

[08:14:56]

RaYmAn-Bx:

CN seems to have C7 cpu and CN700 chipset, SP has C3-II and CN400 chipset

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PaulWay:

hads|home: A New Zealander!

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hads|home:

:)

[08:16:29]

PaulWay:

The C7 is later than the C3, isn't it?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

indeed

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evilDagmar:

Isn't that silverstone a microATX case?

[08:17:44]

hads|home:

evilDagmar: Yah

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RaYmAn-Bx:

PaulWay: as far as I can tell the only downside to CN-10000 is that it's not fanless (whereas SP-8000E is)

[08:18:11]

RaYmAn-Bx:

and of course the fact that it's a via chipset.

[08:18:16]

RaYmAn-Bx:

but that's of course true for both

[08:18:16]

evilDagmar:

hads|home: Those are somewhat reasonable, provided you can be choosy about hte CPU cooler

[08:18:38]

evilDagmar:

I can't stand these shuttle setups where you basically have to throw the thing out if the motherboard needs replacing

[08:18:52]

evilDagmar:

That's the reason I'm sticking with a mid tower

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hads|home:

I have one here, going to be my new desktop and my mid tower is going to be a backend.

[08:19:52]

evilDagmar:

I'm very into low-rotation 120mm fans

[08:19:58]

evilDagmar:

They simplify a lot

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hads|home:

Yep, the PSU I bought for the new desktop has a single 120mm

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evilDagmar:

I like 'em for intake and exhaust. Less spinning is quieter

[08:23:20]

evilDagmar:

Especially after some of the wack Orb coolers I've used

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evilDagmar:

I have one in an Athlon 900 that's 55 dbA

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evilDagmar:

Moves about that many CFM

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evilDagmar:

It doesn't waste time cooling things off, but it can't be confused with "quiet"

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hads|home:

:)

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carden:

oh my goodness I have video .... just no sound

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carden:

ok do I have to do something like wire the sound card to my Hauppauge 350?

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hads|home:

Speaking of chipsets, have you'll a particular preference?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

hads|home: anything but Via =P Except Epia's, but those still do have some 'via'-problems occasionally

[08:37:05]

hads|home:

Can you humour me and enlighten me on the problems with VIA?

[08:37:14]

RaYmAn-Bx:

DMA problems mainly

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hads|home:

Ah. Cheers.

[08:37:52]

RaYmAn-Bx:

I never got my Hauppauge PVR-500 working with the Epia SP-13000 I bought...but it worked instantly on my intel chipset board

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hads|home:

Most of the boards I see lately are nforce boards, which I've never really fancied.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

never tried nvidia chipsets..but the boards with Intel chipsets I have are really good..Stable and nice

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carden:

heh frys had a deal on AMD64 3000+ MB and CPU for 70 bucks, thats what is now running my mythTV server since I already had the PVR-350

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hads|home:

Yeah, I'm thinking that I'll be going with Intel for my new box. Just have to wait for some more micro ATX 775 boards to come out.

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evilDagmar:

carden: Yeah, I just spent about $147 on that and 512Mb of RAM

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evilDagmar:

I wasn't about to get an ECS or PCChips board tho

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evilDagmar:

ECS is still kind of a crap shoot, and PCChips has never been safe

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hads|home:

evilDagmar: What chipset did you go with on the AMD board?

[08:43:38]

evilDagmar:

I got the ASUS K8U-X actually, which has the ULi 1689

[08:44:09]

evilDagmar:

I figure ULi is probably a pretty safe bet, since the ASRock board I've literally been driving like a drunken housewife hasn't 'even hiccoughed yet

[08:44:16]

evilDagmar:

...and nVidia just *bought* ULi

[08:45:03]

evilDagmar:

You pretty much gotta use a 2.6.x kernel with ULi chipset boards tho. 2.4.x support is sketchy at best

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hads|home:

I feel pretty comfortable using 2.6 these days.

[08:46:06]

evilDagmar:

I was feeling pretty good about it until the Myth box started rebooting again

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hads|home:

:/

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evilDagmar:

I was having flashbacks to when I had pre-emptive mutlitasking enabled in the kernel

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hads|home:

I've been searching for a micro ATX board in either 775 or AM2 with onboard GigE but with all the chip changes lately it's been a bit of a task.

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podzap:

i run my backend in a xen machine, and so far have one diskless, fanless epia frontend with another planned very soon.

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evilDagmar:

hads|home: I think you're pretty much looking at Marvell alone for the GigE. Why not just use NewEgg's Advanced Search

[09:01:35]

evilDagmar:

Sometimes they don't actually have the best prices, but their search engine beats everyone elses

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hads|home:

evilDagmar: Yeah, cheers. I've had a reasonable look but most only ones I've found so far are nforce 430 AM2 boards which I am dubious of in-kernel support.

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evilDagmar:

Well, you can always try for one with a PCI-X slot in it

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hads|home:

Yeah, that's plan b, flag the onboard GigE and throw a card in it.

[09:06:54]

evilDagmar:

I know what I need for a new case now, but I don't think I could stand having it

[09:07:03]

evilDagmar:

I need the Kanji symbol for "rice"

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evilDagmar:

I think I'm probably going to go with http://www.carstickers.com/proddetail.php?prod=670 tho

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wireddd:

why can't charter figure out that I don't want more download bandwidth, I want more upload bandwidth...

[09:09:47]

evilDagmar:

I know I definitely don't want to shell out $150 for another case like the one I'm usin for my desktop

[09:10:02]

carden:

evil I agree about the crap shoot, first ECS motherboard network card was borked, but this one seems to be working fune

[09:10:38]

carden:

of course I cant remember how to setup alsa so myth just gives me errors about ./dev/dsp :P

[09:12:31]

evilDagmar:

Yeah. I have an ECS K7SEM acting as my gf's firewall over at her place.

[09:12:48]

evilDagmar:

It's never even hicoughed, and it had the CPU and 256Mb of RAM basically soldered right onto the board

[09:13:42]

evilDagmar:

...but I've had plenty of reports of other models being highly unstable, even RMA'd a couple. SOme of their models work really well, and some are apparently made with paper-mache breadboards or something

[09:13:59]

carden:

yea

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carden:

this one is now my router/gameserver/mythtv box

[09:14:18]

carden:

sound is working ....

[09:14:37]

carden:

so what do most people do split the sound to an RCA cable and plug it into the TV or what?

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evilDagmar:

I don't bother

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carden:

or is there some souncard to PVR loop?

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evilDagmar:

I just have my sound going straight to the speakers

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evilDagmar:

HUh?

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evilDagmar:

If you have a PVR card you don't have to care, or are you talking about output?

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carden:

my speakers are attached to the TV

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carden:

output

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evilDagmar:

Oh, you'll need some extra speakers then unless your TV has a pair of RCA inputs to go with the s-video input

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carden:

well my TV is an old 52" when svid was new, so I could just use the 350's video channel and split the audio off the nvidia card

[09:17:21]

evilDagmar:

I don't patch my audio into my TV at all

[09:17:38]

carden:

if I can figure out how to get the remote working properly tomorrow I will be set :)

[09:17:59]

carden:

well the only other external speakers I have are on an OLD dvd system that has no audio input

[09:19:03]

carden:

but anyway thanks all for the assistance... time for bed

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** tjcarter downloads a small 3.1 GB file. **

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tjcarter:

*sigh*

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tjcarter:

That used to take almost no time. ;)

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** tjcarter pines for university LANs **

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stuarta:

morning juski

[09:40:59]

Juski:

morning stuarta

[09:41:14]

stuarta:

how's life this morning?

[09:41:37]

Juski:

a bit blurry. how's you?

[09:41:55]

stuarta:

survived the CAMRA beerfest without a hangover....

[09:42:17]

stuarta:

mainly due to them running out of beer at 3.30pm

[09:42:45]

Juski:

I've been trying out svn again. oh boy. does mythburn (mytharchive) work for anyone who uses dvb?

[09:43:17]

Juski:

heheh. a beerfest drunk dry? never heard of that happening before!

[09:43:20]

stuarta:

yeah, got it to work, it doesn't say anything if you are missing its dependecies?

[09:43:54]

stuarta:

that beerfest always gets drunk dry. it's all the real ales, and they don't want to take them home...

[09:44:09]

stuarta:

s/?/./

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Juski:

ah. good point about the dependencies

[09:44:45]

stuarta:

i had to find the logfile in ${workdir}/....

[09:47:26]

Juski:

no logfile in $workdir

[09:47:42]

stuarta:

think it's in the subdir....

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stuarta:

s/the/one of the/

[09:51:39]

Juski:

still can't find any logfile

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Juski:

so.. mjpegtools is one dep..

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stuarta:

hmmm. check the README. it lists all the deps...

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yak:

i compiled mytharchive yesterday

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yak:

and got it working – not dvb though pvr350

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** tjcarter contemplates UbunTV **

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Juski:

trying again.. still no log found though it's definitely writing one

[10:10:35]

evilDagmar:

Nope

[10:10:41]

evilDagmar:

Unless you told it to write one it won't bother

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Juski:

ah

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evilDagmar:

Run like, mythbackend -d -l /var/log/mythbackend.log or something

[10:11:53]

stuarta:

evilDagmar: we are talking about mytharchive's logfile....

[10:12:14]

evilDagmar:

That's a big pile of "not happening either"

[10:12:26]

Juski:

there's no way to tell mytharchive to write a log anyway.. not in the settings pages

[10:12:29]

evilDagmar:

I think if you're lucky it might be writing to stdout/stderr

[10:12:44]

stuarta:

mines in $workdir/logs/

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Juski:

I get subdirs created in /myth/work but no logs dir

[10:14:33]

Juski:

nothing on stdout either

[10:16:34]

Juski:

might just work now I have mjpegtools installed

[10:16:44]

Juski:

pigs might fly, etc

[10:18:41]

Juski:

ugh why is a recording from channel4 704x576? that's a bit lame

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stuarta:

bandwidth squeeze....

[10:20:29]

Juski:

having looked at the mythburn.py script I think some editing is in order to enable logging

[10:21:02]

Juski:

not awake enough to do that yet though

[10:21:14]

stuarta:

E4 is 544x576, E4+1 is 720x576, see http://www.aums30.dsl.pipex.com/home.htm

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Juski:

quizcall has up to 3900kbits/sec ?! ffs that's 3900 too many

[10:25:07]

stuarta:

shopping channels shouldn't be more than 320x200 if they must exist...

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stuarta:

due to those bw differences I have e4 at -1 priority & e4+1 at normal.

[10:26:41]

Juski:

I've seen some threads on digitalspy where people actually yak about the 'shows' on quizcall in real-time

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stuarta:

losers

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Juski:

I'd classify them as being worse than the people who phone in

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Juski:

don't give them the oxygen! :)

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Jasper:

juski

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Juski:

mmmyers

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Jasper:

what was the package again for nvidia-utils or something?

[10:32:47]

Jasper:

to get nvidia-xconfig

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Juski:

nvidia-xconfig? never heard of it

[10:33:34]

Juski:

nvidia-settings is the thing you need for fine-tweaking the display- stuff like overscan etc

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legtod2:

Good morning all

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stuarta:

morning

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legtod2:

I recently purchased Intel P4 3.0 Gighertz Hyper-threading and Azrock Mother board

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legtod2:

Using FC4 it won't boot

[10:39:11]

stuarta:

tried FC5?

[10:39:21]

legtod2:

Not yet

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stuarta:

FC4 has quite an old kernel.

[10:39:43]

legtod2:

Tried to disable the hyper threading from Bios, made no difference

[10:40:18]

legtod2:

Tried to boot from CDROM in rescue mode, same problem

[10:40:30]

stuarta:

how far does it get?

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legtod2:

Gets to /sbin/loader

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legtod2:

shows the OPPS [#1]

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stuarta:

kernel oops?

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evilDagmar:

If the motherboard says "Azrock" then it's probably a rebranded PCChips board--you should throw it out.

[10:41:48]

Jasper:

azrock suxxxxxxx

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legtod2:

Just bought it yesterday

[10:42:07]

Jasper:

they sell the cheapest boards here..

[10:42:16]

Jasper:

it's a favourite...for most people

[10:42:17]

evilDagmar:

If the board is legit, it will say "ASRock"

[10:42:34]

legtod2:

My Pentium 4 2.2 did not want to play back HDTV without stuttering

[10:42:36]

evilDagmar:

Don't buy stereos made by Suny, or Panosonic, either.

[10:42:45]

Jasper:

:p

[10:43:06]

Jasper:

hmm

[10:43:08]

legtod2:

I picked up a FX5200 Video card, also

[10:43:10]

Jasper:

getting a weird error suddenly

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stuarta:

legtod2: nothing currently available will play HDTV without stuttering...

[10:43:15]

Jasper:

all I did is rebuild the kernel..

[10:43:41]

legtod2:

Whick kernel 2.6.?

[10:43:51]

Juski:

Yamada DVD players... yuk

[10:43:52]

legtod2:

which kernel sorry, bad typing

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Jasper:

here we go evilDagmar

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Jasper:

modprobe ivtv :P

[10:44:40]

Juski:

evilDagmar: yeh Jasper hadn't enabled 'automatic module loading support'

[10:44:52]

evilDagmar:

Juski: Yeah he told me. That is hilarious.

[10:44:59]

Juski:

!trout Jasper kernel

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** MythLogBot slaps Jasper with a kernel trout on behalf of Juski... **

[10:45:02]

evilDagmar:

Juski: I never in a million years would have suspect it got left out

[10:45:25]

Juski:

same here

[10:45:43]

legtod2:

I was quite pleased, I had tested FC4 with just a Firewire card and mythtv 0.19 working with Motorola DCT6200 box

[10:45:44]

Juski:

not quite "nah nobody would be that stupid" but almost

[10:45:50]

Juski:

;)

[10:45:53]

Jasper:

juski I didn't disable it

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Jasper:

it's standard disabled...

[10:46:07]

evilDagmar:

My CPU appeared to have a couple of *pits* in it, so I went and ordered a new Sempron, board and RAM this morning

[10:46:15]

Juski:

nobody said youd disabled it...

[10:46:23]

Jasper:

http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/dmesg.txt

[10:46:24]

Juski:

you just ummm forgot to enable it

[10:46:28]

evilDagmar:

It's normally on by default

[10:46:36]

Jasper:

not in gentoo I guess

[10:46:43]

Juski:

nah it's not in gentoo

[10:46:53]

evilDagmar:

That's something we'll be stabbing someone to death over at a future date

[10:47:02]

Jasper:

looks better right evilDagmar ?

[10:47:02]

Jasper:

:P

[10:47:04]

Jasper:

that dmesg

[10:47:08]

legtod2:

Any else running a Hyper-threading CPU with problems ?

[10:47:10]

evilDagmar:

Having that off is, frankly, quite stupid.

[10:47:15]

Juski:

oooo mytharchive is making menus & crap now

[10:47:47]

Jasper:

I actually think I'm gonna buy a cheap ipod with wireless to control my box

[10:47:52]

Jasper:

it looks like the perfect solution

[10:48:00]

Jasper:

ipaw

[10:48:00]

Jasper:

even

[10:48:03]

Jasper:

ipaq

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evilDagmar:

Jasper: Wait until December. The Nintendo DS browser cart will be out

[10:48:22]

evilDagmar:

It'll be a hell of a lot cheaper

[10:48:29]

Juski:

eh? considering myth doesn't have any wireless client remotes yet....

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Jasper:

juski I will make one in a browser

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evilDagmar:

Writing a CGI like that is trivial

[10:48:48]

Jasper:

I'll write one in php

[10:48:50]

Juski:

so wtf hasn't anyone done it yet? :-P

[10:48:52]

evilDagmar:

I'm sure as hell going to be controlling my frontend thatt way soon

[10:49:02]

evilDagmar:

Juski: might have something to do with Nintendo bogarting the warez.

[10:49:06]

Jasper:

I have enough time this month

[10:49:11]

evilDagmar:

Kind of hard to dev an app without the actual hardware

[10:49:13]

Jasper:

I start working 29th of august

[10:49:25]

gbee:

having problems with Mytharchive, which I'm assuming are due to user error

[10:49:32]

** stuarta has to go back to work tomorrow :( **

[10:49:32]

gbee:

MythThemedMenuPrivate: No buttons for menu archiveformat.xml

[10:49:32]

gbee:

Segmentation fault

[10:49:47]

evilDagmar:

Somehow they've managed to keep any of the JP versions from galling into Lik Sang's hands. I can't even get a screwball Kanji version of the thing

[10:49:56]

Juski:

gbee: change the theme you're using to one which works properly

[10:50:08]

gbee:

which are?

[10:50:17]

Jasper:

juski it doesn't have to be fancy graphics

[10:50:21]

stuarta:

ProjectGrahem works....

[10:50:24]

Jasper:

for the screensize of a ipaq

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Juski:

gbee: mythcenter (sic), & ones included in the standard tarball

[10:50:34]

gbee:

I would have thought the core themes would all work

[10:50:41]

stuarta:

gbee: they should

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gbee:

I've tried mythcenter and gant

[10:50:52]

evilDagmar:

Actually the DS has pretty good res for a screen that size

[10:50:57]

Juski:

stuarta: PG works with mytharchive? never even touched it

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stuarta:

It does. missing a few things here and there, but still works...

[10:51:40]

Juski:

well now I have svn on a box again I can work on that

[10:51:45]

Jasper:

there are cheap ipaq's nowadays evilDagmar

[10:51:52]

Jasper:

or even phones with wireless

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Juski:

(no photoshop anymore though.. wah!). stupid crappy GIMP

[10:52:41]

evilDagmar:

Jasper: I'll take a $150 802.11-capable wireless device over a $200 bluetooth cell phone any day of the week

[10:52:44]

Juski:

<<< blasphemer !

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Jasper:

I'm not talking bluetooth

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Jasper:

I'm talking wireless

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evilDagmar:

Oh you're talking about something you have to *pay* somene else to use

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Juski:

oh the $$$ a minute 3G phones...

[10:53:36]

evilDagmar:

In that case I'm *definitely* behind the Nintendo DS browser interface as the cheapest solution

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Jasper:

evilDagmar I mean 802.11 is in some phones

[10:55:09]

Juski:

hrm 800 smeglyhurts isn't enough for a box doing much transcoding/encoding.. something mytharchive does a lot of

[10:55:44]

Jasper:

you guys know any way to tune my pvr500

[10:55:45]

Jasper:

so I can test it

[10:55:56]

Juski:

ivtvtune.pl

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Juski:

etc

[10:56:46]

Juski:

... starting dvdauthor...

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stuarta:

Juski: sounds like it's working

[10:57:18]

Juski:

yeh I think I was only missing mjpegtools

[10:57:36]

Juski:

but without a logfile it's a bit of pot-luck to find that out

[10:57:37]

evilDagmar:

Jasper: Strangely, I've not seen them available through service providers around here, and I've *definitely* not seen them with a touch screen

[10:57:58]

gbee:

ack, I'm giving up on mytharchive ... I could have burnt the dvd the old fashioned way by now :(

[10:57:59]

Jasper:

I have

[10:58:15]

Jasper:

btw Juski is it normal for nvidia-settings to have to install so much >? :P

[10:58:17]

evilDagmar:

Yeah, but you live in the freaking northlands

[10:58:38]

Juski:

gbee: fine. give up. miss out on all the goodness :-P

[10:58:50]

Juski:

Jasper: no idea

[10:59:06]

Juski:

only installed one package when I emerged it last time

[11:00:00]

Jasper:

lol it's installing gtk and everything

[11:00:02]

Jasper:

is that normal?

[11:00:02]

Jasper:

:P

[11:00:06]

Juski:

duh

[11:00:27]

Juski:

anyway it's high time I ate some more dead pig

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evilDagmar:

They're better when they're cooked by muslims

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gbee:

just about to submit a ticket for mytharchive, any have any last minute ideas?

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Juski:

gbee: think about it before doing it, for there's a good chance it'll get slammed down

[11:36:19]

Juski:

hrm. error: failed while running dvdauthor. result:1

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gbee:

I'll fight ;) I've done a distlcean, wiped the themes dir and reinstalled, tried four different cores themes and menus – something isn't right

[11:37:24]

gbee:

the segfault alone is worth a ticket, though I might patch that one myself – we shouldn't be segfaulting when we encounter any error

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Juski:

I;ve seen that on theme-related stuff before. people have said "so just fucking make sure the file is there next time dumbass"

[11:39:01]

gbee:

I'm installing from the recently merged mythplugins version, so perhaps the problem has something to do with that

[11:39:21]

Juski:

that bit works fine here

[11:39:34]

Juski:

a check out from last night

[11:40:51]

gbee:

I'll leave the ticket for later, I'll at least look into fixing the segfault first

[11:41:40]

Juski:

the fact that missing theme elements can cause segfaults definitely needs looked into :)

[11:43:05]

Juski:

pah. I have the required ver. of dvdauthor, so wtf is wrong now?

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stuarta:

disk space?

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Juski:

nope

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Juski:

42% used

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Juski:

totally in the dark without a proper logfile

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Juski:

I can play the stuff in the dvd folder okay

[11:47:17]

Juski:

ffs. that musak has got to go!

[11:48:53]

stuarta:

that's why I made that Simple – Autoplay theme :)

[11:49:08]

Juski:

myth_elevator :-/

[11:49:34]

stuarta:

shocking is the best description I can give it....

[11:50:16]

Juski:

so. dvdauthor 0.6.11 and dapper have issues

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Juski:

still – that has to be the furthest I've ever managed to get it :)

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[Jasper]:

some girls are born to make you cry!

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stuarta:

Juski: so it created the $workdir/work/dvd okay, and you can play that in xine? but not the .iso?

[11:53:18]

Juski:

I can't work out how to play the dvd dir properly

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stuarta:

xine dvd:/path/dvd/VIDEO_TS

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Juski:

aha!

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stuarta:

not obvious that one...

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stuarta:

omg: hasslehof doing a pipex ad. how horrendous....

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Juski:

bah there's no VIDEO_TS.IFO file

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Juski:

they've not pulled that one yet? 8-|

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stuarta:

try running dvdauthor by hand using the xml file in $workdir/config

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Juski:

yeh that's my next step

[11:56:42]

Juski:

"/config" though?

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Juski:

in $work I have 3 subdirs... '1', '2' and 'dvd'

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stuarta:

in $workdir I have 1, dvd, dvdauthor.xml mythburn.iso

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stuarta:

sorry $workdir/work

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

yeah I have dvdauthor.xml

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stuarta:

that'll be the one to feed to dvdauthor

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Juski:

dvdauthor -x dvdauthor.xml style

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Juski:

might still be missing a dependency I guess

[12:00:12]

Juski:

and this is the way to find out

[12:00:21]

Juski:

I'll blog this later

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Juski:

anyway other observations.. mheg needs a faster cpu than 800mhz I think.. seems a bit 'ondigital' on this box

[12:05:51]

stuarta:

haven't actually tried it....

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Juski:

yet to try scanning. did you get a chance to look at the frequency storing bit (i.e. not relying on the driver to report it back properly) ?

[12:07:37]

stuarta:

trying to catch up on the email after the holidays first :)

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Juski:

heheh

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Juski:

wiki week starts tomorrow :)

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stuarta:

only have 275 to go in -dev. good thing I'm not subscribed to -users

[12:09:23]

stuarta:

woo hoo. Alonso passed m schumacher....

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stuarta:

wet F1GP are such fun to watch...

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evilDagmar:

Hey... Thermaltake now has a couple of HTPC cases that will take a standard ATX motherboard

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speedsix:

Hi all

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speedsix:

has anyone managed to download film4 guide data from the Radio Times grabber?

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Juski:

yes

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Juski:

film4.channel4.com

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Juski:

you might need to update your /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids file

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speedsix:

Juski, I thought I'd done all that but I'm just double checking..

[12:22:00]

Juski:

make sure "channel film4.channel4.com" is in the ~/.mythtv/videosourcename.xmltv file too

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speedsix:

I had filmfour.channel4.com in my .xmltv file

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Juski:

yeh but is it in the channel_ids file?

[12:22:41]

Juski:

I need to expand the wiki entry about this

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speedsix:

i had 'filmfour' not 'film4'

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Juski:

ah

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Juski:

just lemme check what it really is...

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Juski:

shit. it's actually filmfour.channel4.com on mine

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speedsix:

I've got the svn of the channel_ids file and it has weekly.filmfour.channel4.com

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speedsix:

and plus-1.filmfour.channel4.com

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Juski:

filmfour.channel4.com:160:FilmFour

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speedsix:

I'll add that, odd that it has the 'weekly' one

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Juski:

the one thing which isn't clear to me yet is whether or not there's still an advert-free version of film4 you can subscribe to

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Juski:

cos that'd cause problems for the guide data

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speedsix:

what the hell is FilmFour+1 and Weekly?

[12:28:17]

Juski:

cable/satellite channels

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Changlin1:

hello all

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Changlin1:

got a question for all you seasoned mythtv'ers

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Juski:

Hi Changlin1. ask away

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speedsix:

Juski, just running a mythfilldatabase, should work now cheers

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stuarta:

speedsix: also now discontinued

[12:30:05]

Changlin1:

having an error connecting to the mysql db when running mythtv-setup

[12:30:24]

Changlin1:

following guide here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Twinhan_ . . . eezy_Install

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speedsix:

I see, odd that the svn channel_ids file doesn't have filmfour.channel4.com

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Changlin1:

it is dapper, but near enough :P

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Juski:

speedsix: xmltv CVS has it

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Juski:

Changlin1: post ye error

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Changlin1:

2006-08–07 22:06:42.708 Unable to connect to database!

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Changlin1:

2006-08–07 22:06:42.708 Driver error was [1/1049]:

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Changlin1:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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Changlin1:

Database error was:

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Changlin1:

Unknown database 'mythconverg'

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Changlin1:

it is pretty long but that looks like the key bit

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Juski:

well someone hasn't ran the db setup thing have they?

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Changlin1:

I am sure I did :P

[12:32:36]

Changlin1:

I just followed that guide I posted, and I don't see the db setup in it :|

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Juski:

nope. and the howto in the wiki seems not to have it in there either

[12:32:42]

Juski:

fucking armchair experts

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Changlin1:

heh

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Changlin1:

well it is a wiki, I'll be sure to edit once I have it

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stuarta:

tried reading through the howto?

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Changlin1:

link?

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Juski:

ah. I dunno if the dapper repos create the db... the breezy ones did I think

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stuarta:

well it's in the source tarball, it's on the website....

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Juski:

which'd be why there's not a stage for that on that particular wiki page

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stuarta:

so we can blame either the packages or the wiki?

[12:36:12]

Juski:

blame a user for not reading between the lines & making the mistake of assuming it's complete?

[12:36:16]

Juski:

;)

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stuarta:

!trout wiki incomplete

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** MythLogBot slaps wiki with a incomplete trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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gardengnome:

hamsta's packages do create the db – the package mythtv-database is responsible for that.

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Juski:

do those packages also create the mythtv mysql user?

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gardengnome:

Juski: yes, with a random password in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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Juski:

random password? nice

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gardengnome:

yep

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gardengnome:

well, at least it looks random to me *shrug*

[12:38:06]

gardengnome:

;)

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Juski:

lol. make it secure. so bloody secure even the user can't guess it

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Juski:

I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation for that

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gardengnome:

if you know it's in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt there's no problem.

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Juski:

aye true

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gardengnome:

mythdvd is just working great on dapper here :)

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** Juski checks on dvdauthor **

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gardengnome:

though it takes 2 hours to transcode a 2 minute file...

[12:40:24]

Juski:

lol. on 500mhz? prolly will

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Changlin1:

so how to fix, looking through the howtos, nothing leaping out at me...

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gardengnome:

Juski: 1533...

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Juski:

Changlin1: the section is called 'setting up the initial database'

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Juski:

IIRC

[12:41:32]

Juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc6.2

[12:41:44]

Juski:

first & last time I post a link to the official docs today

[12:44:33]

Juski:

I'm not 100% sure having three gazillion different install howtos in the wiki is a good idea. that wiki page you posted the linky to doesn't even mention testing the hardware – a certified recipe for disaster IMHO

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Changlin1:

yeah

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Juski:

might as well just say "apt-get install mythtv"

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Changlin1:

so I did: mysql < mc.sql

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Changlin1:

and got error: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

[12:45:52]

Juski:

Changlin1: if you haven't already done it, see another ubuntu howto

[12:46:10]

Juski:

abarbaccia.com maybe – not dapper but pretty good all the same

[12:46:14]

Changlin1:

I set my sql root password as the article said and I think that is the issue, also as the wiki article advised I unbound it from listening on 127.0.0.1

[12:46:46]

Changlin1:

Juski: yeah I saw that one, nice thing I guess about that wiki I found is same card and country...

[12:47:03]

Juski:

right so you need to use mysql -u root -p < mc.sql I think

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Juski:

then enter the password you set earlier

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Changlin1:

sweet thanks

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Juski:

hrm final.mpg is still 0 bytes :-/

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Changlin1:

try again tomorrow night, night all

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speedsix:

hmm, I have filmfour.channel4.com in my xml file, in my channel_ids file and in the xmltv_id field in the database and I still get no data for filmfour??

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Juski:

speedsix: which user are you running mythfilldb as? the mythtv user? the one you edited the .xmltv file for?

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speedsix:

yeah, root

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gardengnome:

:/

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podzap:

anybody else have troubles getting dvd subtitles to work with minimyth?

[13:09:40]

Juski:

you should run mythfilldb as the mythtv user I think

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Juski:

podzap: never use dvd subtitles, sorry

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Juski:

podzap: do you use mplayer or xine?

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Juski:

podzap: looks like you already have your answer. wait til the next version of minimyth is spat out... http://www.linpvr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=704

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podzap:

Juski: cool

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Juski:

hrm. selected a different theme and mytharchive now works. pfft

[13:30:31]

podzap:

just trying to figure out the flaky behaviour of my hardware, because they work _sometimes_

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podzap:

and _sometimes_ not, even on the same movie

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Juski:

right so some aspects of mytharchive are broked

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Juski:

all the same... woohooo!

[13:36:34]

Darthy:

i still have the problem with an svn minimyth (which i need for protocol version30 backend), that when i leave tv to return to the selection screen i get a black screen and it never returns to the selection screen of the frontend. does anyone had a similar problem?

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Juski:

Darthy: no idea what that's about. you're not using opengl are you?

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a1fa|64:

i am running 2.6.17, my chipset is nforce3, dma is enabled in bios, but when i try to enable it with hdparm -d 1 it tells me operation not permited.. wtf

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Darthy:

Juski> i think im using opengl. but there werent any problem with older versions of minimyth using opengl.

[13:46:34]

Juski:

there was no opengl previously

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Juski:

not for the UI

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Darthy:

where to disable?

[13:47:09]

Juski:

it should be set to use the qt painter by default

[13:47:17]

Juski:

settings > appearance

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Juski:

in any case.. YMMV very greatly with svn :)

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Darthy:

ok.. ill have a look there. but strange is, that it starts correctly.. playing recordings, videos, pictures and stuff works.

[13:48:09]

Darthy:

but when i start watching tv and exit from there – it hangs.

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Juski:

its part of the anti-livetv conspiracy that I'm spearheading

[13:48:44]

Juski:

:-P

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Darthy:

:) k.. ill have a look at the settings

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speedsix:

does the mytharchive svn revision have to match your mythtv revision?

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gardengnome:

speedsix: mytharchive is now in mythplugins/

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Juski:

speedsix: mytharchive is now in the plugins in SVN

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gardengnome:

heh.

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speedsix:

o right, thanks

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gardengnome:

Juski: 0wn3d!! ;)

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Juski:

pleh

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Juski:

!trout gardengnome speedy

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** MythLogBot slaps gardengnome with a speedy trout on behalf of Juski... **

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gardengnome:

;)

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Darthy:

can i build gar-minimyth using my installed mythtv ?

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gardengnome:

well, can i build gentoo using my installed mythtv?

[14:11:13]

Darthy:

from that, i consider that that gar-build-script fetches the mythtv sources as well and builds mythtv as well?

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Juski:

I've erm.. experienced the gar builder. don't even go there

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Juski:

not unless you're running it on FC

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Juski:

it builds linux from the bottom up.. and myth and everything else

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Darthy:

FC?

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Darthy:

i wouldnt use this gar.. but its quite a bit of a last hope for me getting it to work with my backend which is protocol version 30 now.

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Darthy:

as i see the only two minimyth versions compatible are these svn builds in the download dir of linpvr.org. or is there another one i could try?

[14:15:26]

Juski:

nah that's it

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Juski:

0.20 will be out in a few weeks or so

[14:15:52]

podzap:

waiting

[14:15:55]

Juski:

so in the meantime you may aswell have a go at making gar

[14:15:59]

Darthy:

so you use http://linpvr.org/dnload/releases/ as well?

[14:16:09]

podzap:

Darthy: i'm using them

[14:16:21]

Juski:

I tried on gentoo and ubuntu – no dice. apparently it 'just works (tm)' on Fedora Core

[14:16:23]

Darthy:

podzap> which version do you use?

[14:16:49]

Juski:

I'm still using Beta2.. lol. just works (tm)

[14:17:29]

podzap:

Darthy: i'm watching attack of the clones on minimyth-0.19–13 right now

[14:17:37]

Darthy:

the cool thing on the latest backend is, that dvb channel switching is sooO fast compared to what i had before. i really like it. but what i need is a compatible fronend

[14:17:43]

podzap:

dvd iso image from my cifs fileserver

[14:18:46]

Darthy:

podzap> which player do you use for playing iso/bin? xine? if so, what args do you use?

[14:19:09]

Juski:

cat /myth/dvd_images/attack_of_the_clones.iso > /dev/null

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podzap:

Darthy: xine -pfhq dvd:%s

[14:19:42]

Darthy:

:)

[14:20:37]

podzap:

because i want full dvd menu support

[14:20:56]

podzap:

mplayer sucks

[14:21:13]

Darthy:

the latest mplayer has also dvd-menu support

[14:21:18]

gardengnome:

well, actually, it doesn't.

[14:21:18]

Darthy:

but i use xine as well.

[14:21:25]

podzap:

Darthy: really?

[14:21:38]

gardengnome:

Darthy: no. there are only experimental patches out there, at least that's what i gather from mplayerhq.hu

[14:22:25]

podzap:

they are too interested in providing controls for 125k hues of contrast, rather than providing what users want...

[14:22:37]

podzap:

that's always been my impression of mplayer

[14:22:54]

** gardengnome loves mplayer **

[14:22:56]

Darthy:

gardengnome > in the MPlayer 1.0pre8 they have "experimental dvd-nav support" .. works well on my desktop.

[14:23:00]

gardengnome:

so many nifty things to play with

[14:23:15]

gardengnome:

Darthy: thanks a lot. i only saw links to the patches.

[14:25:30]

Darthy:

the strange thing on mythtv for playing vcd/svcd is, that you only can input one args string for playing vcds.. but since xine and mplayer need (as i know) xine vcd:%s or xine svcd:%s .. its a bit bad to change the values anytime you want to play a vcd after playing a svcd.

[14:26:04]

Juski:

who GAF about vcds?

[14:26:33]

Darthy:

:) youre right.. but sometimes you like to play them.. or not? :)

[14:26:39]

Darthy:

maybe not..

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Juski:

you could easily make your own menu entries for vcds

[14:26:48]

Juski:

one for svcd too

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Darthy:

how?

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Juski:

see the 'adding menu items to mythtv's menus' in the wiki.. oops it's not there yet. maybe someone will add it in wiki week (which starts tomorrow btw)

[14:28:08]

Darthy:

:) alright.. but since then, which file do i need to edit? or on the db?

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Juski:

just menu xml files

[14:29:01]

Darthy:

ahh.. cool.. on the frontend only i guess?

[14:29:21]

Juski:

yup

[14:30:10]

Juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2905

[14:31:41]

Darthy:

ah i see.. cool. thanyx

[14:32:23]

podzap:

i tried to image all of my dvds to my fileserver, but my wife kept buying them faster than i could expand the disk space

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Darthy:

another thing is.. why isnt the frontend supporting usb mass storage as subdir in videos out-of-box? i changed it myself.. but its always a bit tricky to build new minimyths

[14:32:43]

Juski:

buy? dvds?

[14:32:47]

Juski:

eh?

[14:33:17]

Juski:

is any film worth paying through the nose for, to watch maybe once or twice more?

[14:33:22]

gardengnome:

podzap: tell her she needs to buy a new hdd for every 10 dvds she buys

[14:33:23]

Juski:

anyway....

[14:33:37]

gardengnome:

Juski: porn?

[14:33:39]

podzap:

she never pays more than 5 or 6 euros for them

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Juski:

Darthy: easy enough to do, with symlinks

[14:33:50]

podzap:

trick is to not buy them when they are new

[14:34:13]

Juski:

I have maybe 5 movie dvds. never watch them

[14:34:23]

** gardengnome has like 6... and no dvd-player. **

[14:34:52]

podzap:

i've got about 300 of them

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podzap:

only 175 of which fit on my fileserver

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Juski:

and the movies I've seen trailers for recently – I wouldn't even have them given to me

[14:35:28]

Juski:

well maybe just for the storage cases :-P

[14:35:50]

podzap:

yeah, most of mine are older movies, for sure.

[14:35:56]

Juski:

and they wonder why sales are down.. its cos they're churning out so much shite

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podzap:

there are still a lot of movies i would add to my collection if i could find them at reasonable prices

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podzap:

e.g. 5 or 6 euros each :-)

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podzap:

gardengnome: well, i have 6 of these 250gb drives, so they can hold about 30–35 dvds each...

[14:42:43]

podzap:

actually, i only have space from 5 of them, as they are in raid-5

[14:43:25]

Juski:

maybe something like dvdshrink would help – get rid of the extra soundtracks & crap

[14:44:00]

gardengnome:

podzap: why don't you use mythdvd with the "good" option instead of ripping .isos?

[14:44:07]

gardengnome:

Juski: yeah, that too. or k9copy.

[14:44:08]

a1fa|64:

i am running 2.6.17, my chipset is nforce3, dma is enabled in bios, but when i try to enable it with hdparm -d 1 it tells me operation not permited.. wtf

[14:44:15]

gardengnome:

a1fa|64: we know.

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podzap:

gardengnome: i want full menus and subtitles

[14:44:39]

Juski:

podzap: you can re-spin the menus & do away with the guff IIRC

[14:44:40]

gardengnome:

podzap: k9copy lets you do that. while throwing away some of the unnecessary stuff

[14:45:06]

podzap:

i want memus, and i want to be able to turn subtitles on or off, and choose between spoken languages

[14:45:21]

gardengnome:

well, then you'll have to shell out more money :)

[14:45:28]

podzap:

more hard drives :-)

[14:45:40]

gardengnome:

heh

[14:45:45]

podzap:

i am gonna switch the 250s with 750s as soon as the price drops a bit

[14:46:21]

podzap:

move my fileserver from 1.25tb to 3.5tb

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Juski:

podzap: you should still be able to save space by taking out uneccessary languages

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podzap:

Juski: i would be interested to learn how to make a new dvd image without some languages and subtitles

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podzap:

e.g. do an image with original menus, 2 spoken languages, and two subtitle languages, skip the rest...

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podzap:

currently, i just do : lsdvd; dd if=/dev/dvd of=foo.iso

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Juski:

I'm doing that now

[14:48:57]

podzap:

lsdvd?

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Juski:

k9copy

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podzap:

is that a linux program?

[14:49:27]

Juski:

duh

[14:49:36]

podzap:

does it change the video encoding?

[14:49:48]

Juski:

it can if you want by the looks of it

[14:49:56]

podzap:

i don't want

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podzap:

i might give it a try

[14:51:31]

Darthy:

does someone know if minimyth comes with an automounter?

[14:52:14]

podzap:

Darthy: it mounts the shares you put into it's config file

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kormoc:

podzap, that's not automounting then, is it?

[14:52:59]

Juski:

oh give me strength

[14:53:29]

podzap:

have a shot of gin

[14:53:34]

Darthy:

i like to make a symlink for /dev/cdrom in videos.. like when "play vcd" doesnt work, i could browse the cd and play the selected file with mplayer for example

[14:53:35]

Juski:

if it has usbfs support, you can make it mount a usb device into a directory which is symlinked into your videos directory

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Juski:

!=rocketscience

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Darthy:

juski> it has usb support..

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Darthy:

and usbfs

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Darthy:

but when to mount is the question.. with usb massstorgae.. no problem.. but cdroms should be unmounted if you leave the dir to get xine dvd:/1 to work again for example

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Darthy:

where could i best mount/unmount ? currently i put it onto the boot-script

[14:56:13]

Darthy:

but thats not really the best solution.

[14:57:20]

Darthy:

an automounter would be just great for me.. also when friends come with a dvd full of avis i dont would have to copy them to hd first

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Juski:

you should report your friends to the MPAA for having a dvd full of avis :-P

[14:58:27]

Juski:

</mpaa_controlled_zombie_mode="off">

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Darthy:

:) youre right.. wait..im just calling... 0800-report-nazi-like-bahaviour-for-people-who-dont-have-sex-their-entire-life

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Juski:

another thing you could make menu items for actually.. mount USB disk.. umount USB disk

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kormoc:

Juski, erm... Where are you getting USB disk from?

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Juski:

better removable media support is/was coming

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Juski:

kormoc: custom menu items you could make

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Darthy:

juski> thats a good idea!!

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kormoc:

Juski, yeah... but he keeps asking about cdrom automounting...

[15:00:22]

Darthy:

juski> im doing this!!

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kormoc:

Darthy, you can still symlink from /mnt/cdrom/ to videos, and when it's not mounted, it's just a broken link

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kormoc:

ooh

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Juski:

wow. another successful mytharchive run, again not using the mythcenter (sic) theme

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gardengnome:

just use the picture importing feature in mythgallery, it can xecute a command to mount your devices ;)))

[15:02:03]

gardengnome:

Juski: you pleased?

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Juski:

gardengnome: ish

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gardengnome:

good

[15:02:36]

Juski:

I think the problem with the mytharchive theme might well be (cough) the intro video

[15:02:51]

Juski:

so that'd be MY fucking fault then :-P

[15:03:03]

gardengnome:

did you change that? :)

[15:03:13]

Juski:

no.. but it uses my intro video

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Juski:

actually no... another mythcenter dvd theme worked ok

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scopeuk:

is it jsut me or does flac take a stupid amount of time to build

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imperfect-:

Anyone know what libs I need installed to get XVMC OpenGL support for mythtv?>

[15:05:06]

imperfect-:

I assume this is what is involved in the acelleration of the menus and such?

[15:06:36]

gardengnome:

xvmc opengl support? umm, if you have to ask, do not use it. read -dev and -commits instead...

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a1fa|64:

i am running 2.6.17, my chipset is nforce3, dma is enabled in bios, but when i try to enable it with hdparm -d 1 it tells me operation not permited.. wtf

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imperfect-:

XVMC OpenGL support is responsible for the opengl menuing?

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Juski:

nope

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gardengnome:

a1fa|64: it's fscking annoying, stop repeating your question.

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imperfect-:

if it's not then I'k not concerned about it ;)

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Juski:

a1fa|64: try in a different channel. that's got FA to do with mythtv

[15:08:28]

gardengnome:

a1fa|64: google instead or RTFM or something else. it's off-topic here.

[15:08:29]

** gardengnome grumbles **

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a1fa|64:

gardengnome: lol. i did google

[15:09:07]

a1fa|64:

as usual, nothing

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imperfect-:

a1fa|64 : if it's enabled in bios, have you tried looking to see what the setting is?

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a1fa|64:

imperfect-: its enabled in bios

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imperfect-:

but i mean w/ hdparm

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a1fa|64:

NFORCE3–250: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0

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a1fa|64:

it has to do with this error via dmesg

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a1fa|64:

using_dma = 0 (off)

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imperfect-:

Hrm.. using an IDE hard drive, eh?

[15:10:45]

a1fa|64:

yes

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a1fa|64:

i wonder if i can disable ide_generic

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Juski:

a1fa|64: do you have DMA enabled in the kernel hmmm?

[15:10:58]

a1fa|64:

and load my chipset

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a1fa|64:

Juski: of course

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Juski:

!trout a1fa|64 proper_driver

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** MythLogBot slaps a1fa|64 with a proper_driver trout on behalf of Juski... **

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imperfect-:

I don't suppose you're using some gay ass old cable on the drive or anything?

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a1fa|64:

Juski: no

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a1fa|64:

80pin brand new cable

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a1fa|64:

it has something to do with this error

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a1fa|64:

NFORCE3–250: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0

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a1fa|64:

google solution was to put the chipset driver in initrd, which I've done.. that didnt fix it

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scopeuk:

just a thought its not already enabled and your tring to do it again is it?

[15:12:32]

a1fa|64:

nope

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imperfect-:

I just sold my 20inch lcd

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imperfect-:

which I paid 980$ 2.6 years ago

[15:13:03]

imperfect-:

for 250$

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imperfect-:

That hurts me dearly/

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a1fa|64:

good for you

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a1fa|64:

you sold it high

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imperfect-:

cry with me people

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a1fa|64:

20 in lcd are less then 190

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a1fa|64:

acer

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gardengnome:

a1fa|64: why don't you just disable ide_generic to try it out?

[15:13:44]

imperfect-:

well

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imperfect-:

acer sucks

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imperfect-:

;)

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kormoc:

imperfect-, sorry, we can't. You're imperfect you see, and we're all perfect ;P

[15:13:51]

imperfect-:

I like my viewsonic

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imperfect-:

kormoc: the story of my life ;)

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a1fa|64:

gardengnome: if i disable ide_generic, i wont be able to boot my box again, i thinkl

[15:14:03]

** gardengnome wonders if them 20" samsung are any good **

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imperfect-:

I'm loooking to get 2 19'inch wide screens

[15:14:21]

** scopeuk wonders where hsi next meal is comming from **

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gardengnome:

a1fa|64: that's why you should keep a copy of your old kernel around. but, just do *something* ;))

[15:14:24]

imperfect-:

to replace then

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imperfect-:

for when I build my Core 2 system

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a1fa|64:

it never worked in old kernel

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kormoc:

gardengnome, I have 19" samsungs at work on my dev box, and they are rather nice

[15:15:00]

kormoc:

I actually perfer them to my 'highly' rated dell

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kormoc:

a1fa|64, it's just possable that the driver just doesn't support DMA

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imperfect-:

I've got a ghetto ass 4 year old HDTV

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gardengnome:

kormoc: nice, thanks. they go quite cheap here, maybe i'm gonna buy one or two.. if i ever get money ;)

[15:15:36]

imperfect-:

That just has component IN

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imperfect-:

it does 1080i

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imperfect-:

but stuff is always off the screen

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imperfect-:

I wish I could fifure out how to tame it ;)

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Sebulba02:

has anyone had problems with the 'record past end of show' time with mythtv 0.19?

[15:16:19]

kormoc:

problems like?

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Sebulba02:

it doesn't do it

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Sebulba02:

I do 60s on both sides, it gets the beginning ,but not the end

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Sebulba02:

I saw a post about it in 2003, but that was it

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kormoc:

is something sheduled for right after?

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Sebulba02:

I don't believe there was

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gardengnome:

imperfect-: www.wilsonet.com has some instructions

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kormoc:

Well, that's the only time I've seen when the record after doesn't work and the record before does

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Sebulba02:

Is there some way I can look at past recordings?

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Juski:

_willcooke_: !!

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Sebulba02:

the schedule

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kormoc:

not too easily

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Sebulba02:

actually, I can just look at what was recorded

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a1fa|64:

HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted

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a1fa|64:

damn it

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a1fa|64:

ide_core 111432 5 generic,ide_cd,amd74xx,ide_disk,ide_generic

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a1fa|64:

i think thats the problem

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Sebulba02:

and no, there's nothing here for 10pm, so nothing after.

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a1fa|64:

i am going to blacklist ide_generic

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Sebulba02:

everything is 1hour 1 minute or 31 minutes, so it's definatly not doing it

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_willcooke_:

Juski, :) Hello!

[15:29:41]

_willcooke_:

WTF does this mean......

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_willcooke_:

svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/!svn/vcc/default'

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_willcooke_:

svn: Cannot replace a directory from within

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Juski:

buggerred if I know :)

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_willcooke_:

:)

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** gardengnome wonders if there are any legal roms for mythgame **

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Juski:

loads of em apparently :)

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Juski:

I dare you to find them

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gardengnome:

heh

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Sebulba02:

pfft, who wants legal roms?

[15:35:32]

Juski:

everyone does

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scopeuk:

heh rip them from the origional carts

[15:36:00]

Juski:

we don't want the Motion Picture Ass. on our backs

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kormoc:

actually, that's the BSA iirc

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Juski:

god I should actually _do_ something today

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Sebulba02:

or the RIAA

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scopeuk:

or the pita

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gardengnome:

scopeuk: all the others are just sub groups

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scopeuk:

oh yeh

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scopeuk:

right now to the "easy" bit jsut gota add the 3 flac quality settings to my gnump3dconfig

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scopeuk:

now ive figued how to make flac write to stdout then lame acept stdin

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braniff:

what is the best IR blaster to buy nowadays ??

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scopeuk:

define best

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braniff:

works and is the cheapest is good

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braniff:

i know nothing about these basically

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braniff:

i was using a cable to control my directtv box, but now i have switched to digital cable...

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Sebulba02:

well, a 5 minute recording with nothing around it ended up being 6 minutes with putting 60s before and after, seems wrong to me.. guess I'll go back to doing it with each recording schedule. Somethings majorly wrong with the record after here.

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scopeuk:

Sebulba02 where is it puttingthe 60 s at the end ant the start or a combination of the two?

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Sebulba02:

scopeuk: 60 before and 60 after

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Sebulba02:

so it should have been 7 minutes long

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scopeuk:

yes

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scopeuk:

be what is it "actually" doing

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scopeuk:

i got what it should be doing

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Sebulba02:

so

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Sebulba02:

oh

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Sebulba02:

it's only doing the 60 before

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Sebulba02:

not the 60 after

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Sebulba02:

it seems rather weird

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gbee:

reading back a bit .... why are people still using mplayer/xine for playing DVDs? :p

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Sebulba02:

Why not?

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gardengnome:

because dvd menu support is not in 0.19

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xanderp:

Looking to make mythtv a menu choice on my modded xbox. Anyone know if there is a tut on that?

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jepeltw:

google shows one right away for Xebian, dunno about other distros

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|yak|:

xanderp:

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|yak|:

its fairly easy to modify the ini file on the xbox

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|yak|:

its an xml file, just copy an entry above and mod it to suit your xebian install

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braniff:

apparently, no electronics stores within a 50 mile area of me have ever heard of an ir blaster........is there some way to use the ir capabilities of the pvr 150 to change channels on a cable box ??

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gardengnome:

i think the pvr 150 comes with an irblaster.

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xanderp:

I wasn't sure if i could install xebian and keep the xbox functions, but it looks like i can. thanks.

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braniff:

so i guess i need to make it "learn" the frequencies of my cable box somehow?

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gbee:

gardengnome: bah 0.19? use SVN ;)

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gardengnome:

gbee: hmpf.

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gardengnome:

braniff: there's something in the docs as well

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gardengnome:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.27

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braniff:

oh well...i guess i don't need to buy anything then

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braniff:

gardengnome, thanks for clueing me in...

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defaultro:

is anyone here using ddr1394?

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medwards:

yay Juski!

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gardengnome:

umm, ieee1394?

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medwards:

boo Juski..

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gardengnome:

you scared him :/

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medwards:

Well I wanted to thank him, he was right about a problem I had last night.

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gardengnome:

hehe

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Juski:

tsck

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medwards:

there you are

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medwards:

You were right btw

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medwards:

After rebooting TV was watchable again.

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medwards:

haven't checked this morning yet tho...

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Juski:

ah good stuff

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Juski:

the heat problem...

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medwards:

maybe. It's still possible drivers or something needed to be shutdown and restarted

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medwards:

(I did a big apt-get upgrade before rebooting)

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Juski:

heh. multiply the unknowns why don't you? ;)

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Juski:

word of advice folks. don't bother using mytharchive if you have less than a 2ghz machine. it's slow as hell on 800mhz :)

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Juski:

oo come to think of it I already have a suggestion to improve it... put it in the job scheduler!

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gardengnome:

does it have to re-encode stuff using ffmpeg on your setup?

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gardengnome:

Juski: umm, also suggest to put mtd stuff in the jobqueue, too :)

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medwards:

I still can't transcode to xvid :(

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Juski:

I think to do it on dvb recordings it transcodes the lot to fix any potential snafus

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gardengnome:

Juski: it runs mythtranscode --mpeg2 on them, but that's usually kinda fast.

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gardengnome:

even on my 700mhz box

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** gardengnome has got to upgrade soon. **

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Zelan:

is it possible to actually cut out the flagged commercials when transcoding?

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Juski:

yes

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gardengnome:

Zelan: yes. you'll have to load the commercial list into the cutlist first, though

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Juski:

gardengnome: I think it's mjpegtools that takes the most time

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Zelan:

ok. thanks

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Zelan:

can that be automated or manual only?

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gardengnome:

manual only, but you can use either mythtranscode or mythcommflag to turn the commercial list into a cutlist. i wouldn't recommend that, though – the commflagging is inaccurate for me sometimes.

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gardengnome:

you could turn that into an user job.

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Zelan:

ok

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defaultro:

Juski, what's up? Is your mythfrontend fine now?

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Juski:

defaultro: what what?

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defaultro:

gardengnome, ddr1394 is part of ieee1394

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gardengnome:

defaultro: ah, ok

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defaultro:

juski, yesterday you had problems with your fe

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Juski:

defaultro: I sorted it. it's a bug / not a bug

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defaultro:

k

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Juski:

I'll update svn tomorrow, or later tonight & see if I can still reproduce it

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Juski:

if I can, then I raise a ticket

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Juski:

gah. stupid dvdauthor

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Juski:

so I can make single show dvds with chapter menus and nothing else

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medwards:

time for breakie.

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GreyFoxx:

Man,the internal DVD player has improved a lot since Ilast tried it

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gardengnome:

one would think that the settings under Tv are just global settings that could be overriden when scheduling a recording, but no...

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gardengnome:

wow, the doscs are actually wrong on that one, it seems.

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gardengnome:

docs*

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gardengnome:

or not. now it doesn't work anymore at all.

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Juski:

WARN: Discontinuity in audio channel 8; please remultiplex input. WTF? UK DVB-T doesn't _have_ 8 channel audio. stupid thing

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gardengnome:

it's prolly a broken DVB streams or your broadcasters are doing something funky

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Juski:

they're replexed to fix that, supposedly

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gardengnome:

and now it complains about the replexed stream?

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Juski:

yup

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Juski:

this is dvdauthor error stuff btw

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gardengnome:

weird

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Juski:

it fails, so I do dvdauthor -x dvdauthor.xml manually

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Juski:

then I get those errors

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gardengnome:

sounds like you're having fun, heh

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Juski:

something like that

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Juski:

"there are 3 files to process. see you tomorrow"

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dansmith:

If I have three backends and I schedule a job on a file that could be on any one of the three, does the job only run on the correct backend?

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Juski:

if you have 3 backends I suggest you book yourself in to see a plastic surgeon

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Juski:

badoom tish :-/

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dansmith:

heh :)

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gardengnome:

dansmith: there's a setting in mythtv-setup that restricts the backends to only run job on recordings they own

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dansmith:

oh?

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Juski:

I think the job can run on any backend unless you specify they only run on .. what gardengnome said

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jepeltw:

can I run a second backup non-24/7 and just make it do transcode and commercial flagging?

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dansmith:

I was just thinking about doing something, so I hadn't tested it

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gardengnome:

jepeltw: yes, i think it's possible. not gonna work out how to do it for ya, though :)

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dansmith:

found it. sweet

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satchete:

hi everyone

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satchete:

I'm trying to setup a pvr 350, with ubuntu 6.06. I've been following all steps, and get a clean ivtv debug info, but I'm unable to tune. I run ivtv-tune -c * -d /dev/video0, and I get noise on my test captures. I've found several similar threads about it, but without any solution

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Juski:

noise as in _static_ ? no picture at all?

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satchete:

yeah static noise, no picture in any channel

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satchete:

I get an error like this 17180307.756000] ivtv: ==================== END INIT IVTV ==================

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satchete:

==

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satchete:

[17180391.652000] tuner: TV freq (0.00) out of range (44–958)

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satchete:

I suppose it's someway related. I used scantv to check for channels using PAL europe-west options, and it seems to scan, but finds no channels at all

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gardengnome:

umm

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gardengnome:

do you really run "ivtv-tune -c *"?

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satchete:

no, it was supposed to mean that I tried every channel

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gardengnome:

ah, ok.

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satchete:

ivtv-tune -c 2 -d /dev/video0

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gardengnome:

where in europe-west are you?

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satchete:

and get something like this /dev/video0 55.250 MHz

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satchete:

I'm in Spain

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gardengnome:

ah, ok

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satchete:

I've read lots of howtos but most of them deal with older drivers and reading ivtvdrivers site, it seems that is should autodetect module options

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medwards:

so I'm curious how Mythgame determines what my 'favourites' are.

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Juski:

rtfm? oh. what fm

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GreyFoxx:

medwards: You mark them as such

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GreyFoxx:

medwards: You use the same key as you useto make a favourite channel. ? Ibelieve

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GreyFoxx:

I was going to add a menu item to do it, forgot about that

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medwards:

hmm

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medwards:

ah question mark..

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medwards:

probably not on my remote.

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

I use it so rarely I have to look it up each time heh

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GreyFoxx:

jepeltw: heh

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GreyFoxx:

first time my dad saw mine he wanted one :)

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jepeltw:

GreyFoxx, Hopefully, the next few times my dad borrows my soon-to-be wireless myth laptop, I'll prod him into buying me a wireless-G router and card

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gardengnome:

first time my dad saw mine he was like "uh, i don'T understand it, you need a degree in computer science to understand it". then he bought a shitty DVR instead.

[20:04:58]

GreyFoxx:

jepeltw: heh

[20:05:21]

GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: Mine sat down with the remote and was flying around immediately

[20:05:36]

GreyFoxx:

my wife was quick too, but certain things she still gets me to do

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jepeltw:

myth is easy enough to use that my dad would pick it up in 5 minutes left alone with the remote. My mom, tho, would take same time to get to live TV and need help to use the EPG

[20:05:45]

GreyFoxx:

but she loves mythweb, uses it to schedule all of her stuff

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jepeltw:

wonder if mythweb works on mobile Web browsers...

[20:10:00]

kormoc:

it has a wap theme

[20:10:07]

kormoc:

designed for mabile web browsers

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xris:

jepeltw: it should. WAP and WML

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Juski:

so mythburn works as long as I don't use the complex themes. nice :)

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Juski:

mytharchive.. not mythburn. duh

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: you're using a learning remote with an ir keyboard receiver, right?

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ru:

hi guys

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ru:

Anyone know how to improve the time it takes myth to open the video list

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Juski:

yeah. delete some cruft from your video collection

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gardengnome:

i wonder if you could use the filtering mechanism to imrpove loading time – ie only display some of your videos, not all

[21:38:05]

ru:

hmm

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ru:

i use the video list which shows the stuff hierachiacly, but i assume even that loads everything?

[21:38:29]

ru:

Juski: Well that doesnt help me

[21:39:29]

gardengnome:

http://www.lirc.org/html/lircrcd.html – does anyone understand what lircrcd is about?

[21:41:25]

Juski:

ru: if mythvideo takes that long to load up, you _have_ too many videos :-P

[21:41:31]

mos__:

gardengnome, its for making your remote into a mouse like device

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Juski:

wait til 0.21 when anduin's stuff is likely to make it to release

[21:41:50]

gardengnome:

mos__: i doubt that. that's lircmd.

[21:42:06]

mos__:

ah sorry thinking the wrong thing, lirc uses too many acronyms

[21:42:32]

gardengnome:

Anduin: uh, yeah. sorry, i couldn't get that mythvideo bugreport done today because the source for ofdb.pl was offline most of the time. i'll try to get it done tomorrow :)

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gardengnome:

mos__: no problem ;)

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Anduin:

gardengnome: Not a problem.

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mos__:

gardengnome, just checked out the manpage its for making sure users have the same .lircrc

[21:44:02]

Anduin:

ru: A filter will stop everything from loading in .19, you can also enable browse files and disable loading of metadata (baby with the bath, but fast)

[21:44:02]

mos__:

and are in the same mode

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gardengnome:

mos__: i've read the man page too. i don't think it synchronises s$stuff among users. what do think does "mode" refer to?

[21:46:07]

ru:

Anduin: Cool. that sounds exactly what i need – how do i do that? Could you point me in the right direction

[21:46:17]

Anduin:

ru: The settings page.

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Anduin:

ru: second scree, general for mythvideo

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ru:

awesome thanks man

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vidnis:

can anyone recommend the "best" distro to home myth on? "best" as in least effort for maximum glory, excluding knoppix

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ru:

(k)ubuntu

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vidnis:

knoppmyth i mean

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Anduin:

vidnis: Whichever you know best.

[21:56:15]

gardengnome:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Wh . . . or_MythTV.3F

[21:56:23]

vidnis:

gentoo, but it's giving me a headache w myth

[21:56:40]

vidnis:

im fine with any distro, if it works

[21:56:49]

ru:

Anduin: I tried disabling that setting, but it still takes 2 minutes + to load the video list

[21:57:13]

gardengnome:

Asking for advice in choosing a distro is ill-advised as many of us have strong opinions based on our usage requirements, and these requirements will likely not match yours. However, Fedora and Debian are some of the most used, and easiest to work with.

[21:57:16]

Anduin:

ru: Did you tell it to browse files in that view?

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Anduin:

ru: How many videos/files do you have?

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ru:

Around 5TB

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ru:

maybe more

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ru:

let me check the settings i have exactly

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Juski:

5TB of videos?

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Juski:

!!!!

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ru:

ya

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ru:

as for the number (as thats whats going to influence it) im not sure

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Juski:

fuck.. not surprised you want to speed it up

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ru:

I can check the mysql db though

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ru:

ya, it takes 3 minutes these days just to get in, its really frustrating

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ru:

67,358 total

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Anduin:

ummm

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ru:

im still waiting for it to load in so i can go back and check the settings...

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Anduin:

ru: Have you timed an ls -lR > /dev/null

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ru:

no what is that?

[22:03:23]

ru:

surely that wouldnt matter though, cos myth just reads the db doesnt it?

[22:03:40]

Anduin:

ru: Not with the option I told you to enable/disable.

[22:03:47]

ru:

that command finishes immediately but has no output

[22:03:57]

ru:

"ls -lR > /dev/null"

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Anduin:

ru: In your mythvideo dir?

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ru:

aah

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ru:

ye seems to do it immediately

[22:04:40]

ru:

wow i think that setting made it worse, its been loading now for 10 minutes odd

[22:04:58]

vidnis:

gardengnome: thx

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gardengnome:

vidnis: so, maybe you wanna try to solve your mythtv problems on gentoo, it's probably just a messed up configuration somehwere.

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vidnis:

gardengnome: well you're right probably, but it's an awful little wget/gzip/http-auth zap2it failure Ive been on for days, mailing lists, irc, blahblah

[22:08:15]

gardengnome:

vidnis: that's weird. sorry, can't help ya there :7

[22:08:20]

vidnis:

faster to just do it again

[22:08:21]

Chris-M:

Hi folks... Is it possible on Linux to use MythTV to work for different users using independant video outputs on the machine?

[22:09:22]

ru:

Anduin: that command executes immediately in my /data/vids directory

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ru:

but bare in mind that most of my media comes from symbolic links from other media servers

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ru:

connected at about 1mbps

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Juski:

Chris-M: you might be asking a bit much but in theory it should be possible

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Anduin:

ru: And you enabled the "show files in list view" option? and disabled the "load metadata" option?

[22:10:06]

ru:

ye

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Anduin:

ru: You have too many videos, delete something sometime.

[22:10:57]

ru:

ok now it takes about 2 minutes to load again

[22:11:14]

ru:

i am using video list and unticked load video meta data

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hads:

1mbps? That's not particually fast.

[22:11:30]

Juski:

Anduin: I told him that, knowing that a _few thousand_ is gonna make it struggle

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ru:

maybe a bit faster, around 400KB p/s

[22:11:51]

Anduin:

Juski: Yeah, for .20 my goal was to make 10000 "ok"

[22:12:19]

ru:

Anduin: You a myth developer?

[22:12:23]

Juski:

10,000 is pushing it for that interface.. those peeps must enjoy the scrolly

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ru:

Juski: Well its very well organised :)

[22:12:48]

Anduin:

Juski: Folder views will be there for the DB in .20 as well, so bad, but not as bad.

[22:13:13]

ru:

Anduin: Would it be possible to have an option to just have a file browser

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ru:

instead of adding everything to the mythdb

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Juski:

heh. is folder viewing behaving like 0.18 did.. i.e. you can still use the browsable flag?

[22:13:26]

ru:

its annoying for two reasons:

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ru:

1) you have to make the video manager go and update its list every so often

[22:13:45]

ru:

2) it takes long to load all the files

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Juski:

ru: it always IS an option to use it as a file browser

[22:13:45]

Anduin:

ru: That is essentially what the browse files option does, only it builds a full list.

[22:14:04]

ru:

Anduin: yeah but its illogical to build the whole list initially

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Juski:

get it not to build the list in one go & do it on the fly – that'd fix it

[22:14:09]

ru:

rather:

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Juski:

but not as easy to do

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ru:

1) load each directory as the guy browses into it

[22:14:36]

ru:

2) detach it from the interface, so if the process hangs the whole interface doesnt lock up

[22:14:56]

ru:

Everything should actually be detached from the interface

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ru:

just my 2c :)

[22:15:35]

ru:

that would accommodate guys like me with massive media collections quite nicely

[22:15:49]

Juski:

you must be in a minority of one with that many vids

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Anduin:

Exactly, you aren't the target MythVideo user.

[22:16:10]

Juski:

how much pr0n does one guy want?

[22:16:20]

ru:

granted, but nonetheless there is a demand for it i assure you

[22:16:27]

ru:

+ it just makes more sense dont you agree?

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Juski:

ru: sounds more like you need.. Rage :)

[22:17:14]

ru:

Rage?

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Juski:

http://www.rasterman.com/files/rage2.avi

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gardengnome:

26M. not bad.

[22:18:21]

ru:

lol

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Anduin:

ru: I'll put it on my someday list.

[22:18:37]

ru:

Anduin: Are you the lead myth dev?

[22:18:44]

Anduin:

ru: Not even close.

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Anduin:

ru: I occasionally check in mythvideo fixes because no one else does.

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imperfect-:

Anyone got a suggestion for a linux distro, other than ubuntu, that is good for a myth box that's just hooked up to a TV?

[22:20:12]

ru:

whats wrong with ubuntu?

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imperfect-:

Nothing per se

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ru:

omw rage looks cool

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Juski:

ru: doesn't it

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ru:

Juski: How does it pull its movie data

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imperfect-:

What's omw rage?

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ru:

eg: myth has the imdb script that u have to manually run

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Juski:

ru: read rasterman's page

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imperfect-:

I'd like to get a stripped down rage

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imperfect-:

s/rage/distro

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Juski:

imperfect-: for fast booting you can't beat slack

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imperfect-:

My biggest problem is a issue with Linux and NVidia stuff

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imperfect-:

There is some issue with overscan and the nvidia drivers

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Juski:

no there's not

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Juski:

I managed to get myth to fit my TV with a nvidia card under linux just fine

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imperfect-:

Juski: Yes, There is.

[22:27:50]

imperfect-:

Juski: And it will apparently be fixed in an unspecified driver release.

[22:28:03]

imperfect-:

Juski: The issue has to do with 1920x1080i and overscan.

[22:28:04]

gardengnome:

Juski: omg rage is übernifty

[22:29:02]

Juski:

imperfect-: prolly more your tv overscanning like so many (even HD) sets do

[22:29:31]

imperfect-:

Juski: Do I need to find you the post I read from netlama beofre you'll believe me?

[22:29:57]

Juski:

hey look if all you're gonna do is come here & whine about this & that....

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imperfect-:

if all you're going to do is sound like an ignorant fuck...

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Juski:

pfft

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imperfect-:

;)

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gardengnome:

play nice now, kids!

[22:31:51]

Juski:

so how the hell has nerviddyer managed to write a driver that manages to miss off sections of the screen?

[22:32:53]

Juski:

found the thread

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Juski:

so they say interlaced modes don't work properly in some driver versions – granted.

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bprozac:

The only nvidia issue I am aware of is it's inability to interlace at 1080i... or at least I have not been able to get it working

[22:34:04]

Juski:

but overscan? that'd be your TV to blame in all probability

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imperfect-:

Dude.

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imperfect-:

For the love of christ

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bprozac:

I get a ton of overscan, but compesate for it all using the ui parameters

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imperfect-:

It works FINE under windows.

[22:34:48]

bprozac:

what work fine?

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imperfect-:

the windows nvidia drivers dont have this issue

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bprozac:

just wondering, what EXACTLY is the issue?

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imperfect-:

the overscan

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Juski:

so they're obviously not causing your tv to miss bits of the screen off

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imperfect-:

I dont have to mess w/ the overscan

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bprozac:

All tvs have overscan

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Juski:

yup

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imperfect-:

maybe I'm using the wrong word

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imperfect-:

my menubar if not on the screen under linux

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Juski:

the only TVs that _don't_ overscan aren't actually TVs ;)

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imperfect-:

on windows

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imperfect-:

i get 1920x1080 just peachy keebn

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bprozac:

ok, the windows drive must be able to correct for the overscan by adding a border or something

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bprozac:

Linux uses X windows does not

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bprozac:

difference in technology

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Juski:

actually if you DO at some point manage to get the desktop fitting the screen exactly, if you play video at that resolution you will probably get gaps/borders or see crap at the edges

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bprozac:

I agree that the missing menu bars can be annoying, but it has NO effect on Myth, Xine, Mplayer, etc as they all have the ability to define window sizes

[22:38:11]

gardengnome:

well

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gardengnome:

use the overscan control in mythtv.

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imperfect-:

well it fits perfectly at 480i

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Juski:

have you tried a custom modeline?

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imperfect-:

im afraid of breaking it

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imperfect-:

;)

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imperfect-:

Any idaes on how I can test safely?

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bprozac:

If you look in the xorg logs when x probes the hardware, some TV's will return modelines for some resolutions. A little math later and you can have all of your modelines

[22:39:50]

bprozac:

I spent hours trying every modeline out there before I found the in the Xorg logs

[22:40:16]

bprozac:

I have a 52" Rear Proj DLP running over DVI

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Juski:

I know there are some horror stories out there about custom modelines breaking stuff, but on modern gear the risk should be very small I reckon

[22:40:31]

imperfect-:

yeah but you're still stuck missing some, right

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bprozac:

the only issue is that 1080i is not fully supported by Nvidia (Correct me if I am wrong) I cannot do 1960x1080 interlace but I can do 1960x540 progressive

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bprozac:

some what?

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imperfect-:

yeah mine won't do progrssive

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kent__:

does Hauppauge bt878 cards (this one is a WinTV FX) run in general, or is it known, that this card works?

[22:41:25]

Juski:

bummer though – having to deinterlace 1080 HD...

[22:41:39]

Juski:

kent__: check the v4l wiki

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bprozac:

just not ideal, but it works

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imperfect-:

My tv is old

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Juski:

imperfect-: not OLD old though ;)

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bprozac:

what type of interface are you running over?

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imperfect-:

like

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imperfect-:

damn near 4 years

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gardengnome:

kent__: bt8x8 cards are *usually* well-supported.

[22:43:28]

kent__:

Juski, please give me a link to this wiki

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Juski:

most stuff like early plasmas have to convert analogue signals to digital anyway, so they can do scaling & DSP stuff, not forgetting displaying the things in the first place... so any screwup on a modeline would in _theory_ just result in the TV's input being unable to lock onto it

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Juski:

so all these 'horror' stories about 'exploding TVs' are the stuff of legend – theoretically possible on very old analogue CRTs. I seriously doubt anyone has mashed a plasma/lcd with a duff modeline

[22:45:16]

Juski:

kent__: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=v4 . . . ch&meta=

[22:45:20]

imperfect-:

I've got a CRT

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kent__:

Juski, thank you, got it

[22:47:10]

Juski:

even so.. something from 4 years ago... I have a 19" CRT which is about 10 years old now.. no illegal video mode has ever blown it up

[22:47:36]

Juski:

take the horror stories with a ton of salt is what I'm trying to say :)

[22:48:02]

Juski:

people with modelines on webpages are more than likely trying to stop themselves being sued

[22:48:53]

bprozac:

Wait a sec, you have a CRT? And how are you connecting the myth box to the CRT?

[22:50:21]

imperfect-:

looks like the only people to fix the horrible overscan issue

[22:50:42]

imperfect-:

buying a VGA->Component adatper

[22:51:16]

imperfect-:

It runs just fine at 480i

[22:51:21]

kent__:

Juski, there is no exact information, means the fact that the linux kernel supports the bt878 chip on my card, that the whole thing should work?

[22:51:32]

imperfect-:

I guess it just means HDTV is out

[22:51:34]

Juski:

kent__: yeah it _should_ work

[22:51:56]

Juski:

I do wish nvidia wouldn't keep breaking their bloody drivers

[22:52:29]

Juski:

imperfect-: what's the TV model number?

[22:52:39]

imperfect-:

Uhm...

[22:52:48]

imperfect-:

It's one of the older Samsung CRTs

[22:52:50]

imperfect-:

30 inches

[22:53:04]

imperfect-:

let me see if I can find it

[22:53:05]

imperfect-:

hold u

[22:53:06]

imperfect-:

p

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bprozac:

I think what everyone here has been trying to tell you is the overscan happens and really causes no problems. You just have to spend sometime setting the TV playback height, width xoffset, and yoffset and you are done. You can use the same numbers in your Xine command for video playback

[22:53:18]

kent__:

Juski, i see, thanks, so i'll give it a try, is it a good idea to try it out with the knoppix version for mythtv?

[22:54:07]

Juski:

kent__: could be, but knoppmyth is no silver bullet ;)

[22:54:24]

Juski:

worth a few hours trying it out

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kent__:

Juski, okay, i will, thanks for your help to this point

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imperfect-:

TX3096HF

[22:56:53]

imperfect-:

TXM2096HF

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imperfect-:

I think there must be an M

[22:59:09]

bprozac:

Neither have a hit on Samsungs site

[22:59:19]

imperfect-:

hhe

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imperfect-:

sorry

[22:59:22]

bprozac:

is it DynaFlat?

[22:59:25]

imperfect-:

im typing from b-tooh

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imperfect-:

and i didnt see my mistake

[22:59:32]

imperfect-:

it's pretty far from me

[22:59:38]

imperfect-:

It's TXM3096HF

[22:59:39]

imperfect-:

Sorry

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imperfect-:

Yeah, it's a DynaFLAT

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bprozac:

3096WHF?

[23:00:40]

imperfect-:

no W

[23:00:50]

bprozac:

????

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imperfect-:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006ANYP/1 . . . amp;n=172282

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bprozac:

So did you say that you can actually get 1960x1080i you just have some overscan?

[23:04:43]

bprozac:

If X has a bad modeline it will often default back to 640*480

[23:05:10]

imperfect-:

under windows

[23:05:15]

imperfect-:

I can get a mode that shows me the whole desktop

[23:05:32]

imperfect-:

Under ubuntu the only way I can do that is HD480i set

[23:05:42]

imperfect-:

1920x1080 is way off the screen

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Juski:

was the windows mode 1920x1080 though?

[23:06:07]

imperfect-:

aye

[23:06:15]

imperfect-:

it was hugely small

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Juski:

did you try xvidtune?

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Juski:

that can help

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imperfect-:

I did

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imperfect-:

but i couldn't read it ;)

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Juski:

sometimes when I've adjusted settings like that I've used vnc

[23:07:17]

bprozac:

I think you need to realize that what you have is very good and you should just compensate for the ovescan through the App and call it a day

[23:07:45]

imperfect-:

I just wonder if i'll be able to watch HD Content

[23:07:48]

Juski:

IMHO it's a little too much to expect the desktop to fit a TV, regardless of what windows does

[23:07:53]

bprozac:

try it

[23:07:53]

Juski:

I reckon so

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imperfect-:

I mean I'm going through all the trouble of recording stuff from my Air2PC card

[23:08:04]

bprozac:

there are some hig def test videos out here

[23:08:12]

Juski:

TV is designed to be played on overscanned sets anyway

[23:08:18]

bprozac:

use mplayer/xine to play it back and see

[23:08:27]

imperfect-:

yeah

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imperfect-:

mplayer seems to be lame

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imperfect-:

audio is always out of sync and stuff

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Juski:

it is ;)

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bprozac:

ok, Xine

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gardengnome:

hrmpf. <3 mplayer.

[23:08:59]

bprozac:

I actually prefer Xine

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imperfect-:

is xine the way to go, eh?

[23:09:14]

Juski:

mplayer can play real & stuff, but I like xine more

[23:09:17]

imperfect-:

I'm downlading opensuse 10.1

[23:09:23]

Juski:

though I hate xine's UI

[23:09:25]

imperfect-:

I wonder what kind of nightmare it will be to get Myth to run w/ it

[23:09:34]

bprozac:

why are you using the ui?

[23:09:36]

Juski:

suse? don't do it

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bprozac:

no nightmare at all

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Juski:

bprozac: I've had occasion to need to

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bprozac:

well, if you have to, you have to

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Juski:

once you have all the remote buttons mapped it's nice though

[23:10:21]

imperfect-:

I mean it's hard to watch regular TV at times

[23:10:22]

imperfect-:

cuz like

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imperfect-:

i get all these prebuffer pauses and the like

[23:10:41]

bprozac:

Ahhhh, ok, so are you using XvMC?

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imperfect-:

Yep

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bprozac:

run gkrellm and see your CPU utilization while doing HiDef playback

[23:11:42]

bprozac:

I had to wrestle the beast for a few days before I got everything working right

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imperfect-:

I gotta re-install now

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imperfect-:

;)

[23:12:03]

imperfect-:

It's gonna be a minue ;)

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imperfect-:

hehe

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bprozac:

Nice ;)

[23:12:14]

imperfect-:

So, Suse is a pain Juski?

[23:12:19]

imperfect-:

she was asleep

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imperfect-:

i had to get jon to move it

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bprozac:

?

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Juski:

I've heard some tales about mythtv in suse

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|yak|:

i run mythtv from suse

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gardengnome:

i wonder if there are any binary packages

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|yak|:

works for me – but its not as easy as say fc4

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|yak|:

and jarod's guide

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ru:

god, how do you setup the remote control for xine?

[23:13:44]

bprozac:

lircrc

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ru:

i have setup the keymap

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bprozac:

Once you have Lirc programmed right you just plug in the values in your lircr file with the prog value set to xine

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Juski:

ru: did you symlink ~/.mythtv/lircrc to ~/.lircrc ?

[23:14:52]

ru:

no

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bprozac:

yea, well, actually the other way around, but same diff

[23:15:04]

Juski:

that's the problem then

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ru:

i told xine to use my keymap though?

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bprozac:

oops, sry

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ru:

my xine command has --keymap=file:/home/ru/keymap

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ru:

or whatever

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Juski:

ru: why?

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Juski:

there was no need to do that

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ru:

well wont that make xine use my file?

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Juski:

for keyboard commands yes

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Juski:

not for lirc though

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ru:

oh

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ru:

ok lemme try that

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Goose-BA:

hello. When i schedule a recording. It starts recording and mythweb says that the backend is currently recording But after a couple minutes it stops recording. Mythweb says its still recording, but the file size isn't changing

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** gardengnome diagnoses a problem with the tv capture card and it's driver. next! **

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gardengnome:

no, just kidding :).

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gardengnome:

take a look at the output of dmesg and the backend los.

[23:18:03]

Juski:

hey, for wiki week, why not add a bit about lirc to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Xine ?

[23:18:04]

gardengnome:

log*

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ru:

ya

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ru:

was reading that now

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ru:

doesnt have anything about it in there

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Goose-BA:

hello. When i schedule a recording. It starts recording and mythweb says that the backend is currently recording But after a couple minutes it stops recording. Mythweb says its still recording, but the file size isn't changing any ideas?

[23:18:47]

ru:

definitely needs to be added it

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ru:

it/in

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Juski:

hello. when I log into an IRC channel I repeat myself until somebody kickbans me

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** gardengnome snickers **

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gardengnome:

Goose-BA: look above, i forgot to prefix my messages with your nick.

[23:20:01]

Goose-BA:

where do i view the log at?

[23:20:15]

gardengnome:

Goose-BA: depends. might be somewhere under /var/log

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imperfect-:

So

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imperfect-:

How much of a pain in the butt is it going to be to compile svn under Suse?

[23:20:46]

imperfect-:

I pretty much had it down to a science in ubuntu

[23:20:57]

Juski:

imperfect-: none if you can get all the dependencies

[23:21:10]

Juski:

what's so wrong with ubuntu anyway?

[23:21:26]

imperfect-:

I formatted it

[23:21:27]

imperfect-:

dont have a disc

[23:21:33]

imperfect-:

close to having a suse DVD

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imperfect-:

so

[23:21:35]

imperfect-:

nothing

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imperfect-:

;)

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Juski:

faeree nuff

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|yak|:

you will need a patch to complie mythplugins

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imperfect-:

EHE

[23:22:18]

imperfect-:

well

[23:22:20]

imperfect-:

screw it

[23:22:22]

imperfect-:

dapper it is

[23:22:27]

imperfect-:

I just wanna strip dapper down a bit

[23:22:34]

imperfect-:

what sucks is

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imperfect-:

using that update program is everytime they release a new kernel

[23:22:50]

imperfect-:

i've gotta recompile nvidia

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imperfect-:

and recompile

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imperfect-:

ivtv

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imperfect-:

etc

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imperfect-:

etc

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Juski:

just don't auto-update then

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gardengnome:

imperfect-: umm. i neve rhad to compile nvidia at all. i just used the restricted-modules package.

[23:23:21]

Juski:

I've been trying to find out how to turn the annoying nagging bastard off

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gardengnome:

and for ivtv.. maybe you could automate that using m-a or something

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imperfect-:

i dunno

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imperfect-:

I sold my 20 inch lcd

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imperfect-:

so like the TV is my only minitor

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imperfect-:

which sux0rz

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Juski:

enable shared desktops & vnc into it then

[23:24:19]

imperfect-:

but oh well

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imperfect-:

Juski : yeah, what I want to do at the end of the day — is have inittab log in and myth and just start it up for me

[23:25:09]

imperfect-:

I'd be totally happy but the music program is just so incredibly gay

[23:25:44]

imperfect-:

it just seems so non-intuitive to me

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Juski:

maybe because you're not as gay as _it_ is :-P

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imperfect-:

heh

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imperfect-:

Could be

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imperfect-:

it's just really bad

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imperfect-:

;)

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Juski:

mythmusic needs a rework and it's getting one

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imperfect-:

I mean I guess it's possible I don't know ghow to use it right

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Juski:

you could always just have a menu item launch amarok

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Juski:

and use irxevent to control it

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imperfect-:

well

[23:28:08]

imperfect-:

I had an issue getting amarok to scan my mp3 collection

[23:28:16]

imperfect-:

it like missing a boatload of them

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Juski:

I havent checked – seems to have 90% of it

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ru:

god

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ru:

this is so annoying

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ru:

i cant get my remote working in xine

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ru:

i have about 6 lircrc files

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ru:

which one would myth use?

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ru:

I run myth as user "ru"

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imperfect-:

My proc does EMT64

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ru:

so surely it would use:

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imperfect-:

Would I get any benefit from running 64bit

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ru:

/home/ru/.mythtv/lircrc

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Juski:

okay who put the broken link into http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/UK_Television ?

[23:31:14]

Juski:

knoppmyth have a wiki?! dammit we need all this stuff in _one_ place

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imperfect-:

any idea what the "alternate" image is?

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gardengnome:

imperfect-: for ubuntu?

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Juski:

imperfect-: they explain that on the website

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gardengnome:

right

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Anduin:

ru: xine will use ~/.lircrc (many just symlink the .mythtv one to it)

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Juski:

jerkface left the room? how? I'm still here. sheesh

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gardengnome:

he's probably your good twin.

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scopeuk_:

the one thats nice and never bitches

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scopeuk_:

heh jsut playign with you dude im twice as bad as you ;-)

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imperfect-:

can someone explain to me why I have overscan control at 480i but not at 1080i ?

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Juski:

fcuk yuo, kuposeck

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Juski:

:)

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scopeuk_:

lol

[23:49:40]

Juski:

omfg. the wiki search is case sensitive! :-O

[23:49:46]

scopeuk_:

god help us all

[23:49:59]

scopeuk_:

i have neough problems typing it right let alone capitalising right

[23:50:07]

Juski:

no wonder I couldn't find an entry for mythgame

[23:50:13]

Juski:

it needs to be MythGame

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Juski:

fuck

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** Juski wonders whose cage to rattle to get that changed **

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gardengnome:

i think it worked for me. did you just type it in or hit enter?

[23:51:22]

scopeuk_:

Juski jsut bang the bar they hang from and yell

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gardengnome:

duh. xmltv seems to install into /usr/ and /usr/local.

[23:52:08]

scopeuk_:

xmltv seams to fuck up completly of its own regard for reasons un beknowst to the user

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Juski:

hahaha yeh I needed to press enter

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Juski:

!trout Juski rtfm

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a rtfm trout on behalf of Juski... **

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** jepeltw stabs gentoo for compiling qt 4.1.2 when mythtv needs 3.3.6 **

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gardengnome:

Juski: yep, there's a difference. when you just enter it, some nifty ajax stuff only lists articles starting with that name, i think

[23:53:14]

scopeuk_:

were all gonan be sick to the back teath with ajax by the end ogf this year arnt we

[23:53:36]

gardengnome:

web 2.0. my ass.

[23:53:39]

scopeuk_:

its jsut like java script has great potential but will turn int oa toy for script kidies that most browsers end up disabling

[23:53:49]

scopeuk_:

the web has no versionaing system

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scopeuk_:

you cant get it from cvs or svn

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scopeuk_:

spose you could think of the web as the ultimate open source project

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|yak|:

Juski: the link to epg and icons?

[23:55:10]

scopeuk_:

edited by millions of indevidules and companies with distributed control and freedom for each dev to persue the path they fell will yeald the best results

[23:55:22]

mega_lptp:

i'm having a recurring problem when i'm setting up mythtv where the whole computer locks up when i try to retrieve the channel listings from datadirect

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gardengnome:

scopeuk_: sure. and why do we have geocities and myspace then?

[23:56:52]

ru:

Anduin: Yeah, thanks I figured it out :)

[23:57:00]

ru:

Anduin: Really annoying though :/

[23:57:05]

Juski:

this link was the borked one: http://knoppmythwiki.homelinux.org/index.php?page=

[23:57:11]

gardengnome:

mega_lptp: please define "whole computer locks up"

[23:57:35]

mega_lptp:

gardengnome: the X stops and I can't do anything

[23:57:47]

mega_lptp:

can't get to a console, can't even hit numlock

[23:58:36]

scopeuk_:

gardengnome in the ideal world there whouldent be but not all devs in this project are of equal potential and need the help of others to present there version of the project

[23:58:37]

gardengnome:

mega_lptp: sounds like it locks up, indeed. that sounds like ahardware problem because a little bit of entwork traffic should never do that to your box.

[23:59:06]

gardengnome:

scopeuk_: sorry, it's 2am for me and i'm not drunk enough yet to get philosophical :)

[23:59:18]

mega_lptp:

gardengnome: i agree – and this has happened with multiple versions of mythv (haven't had myth running for a long time)

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mega_lptp:

different video cards

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gardengnome:

mega_lptp: what kind of computer is this?

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scopeuk_ is now known as socpeuk

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socpeuk is now known as scopeuk

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