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Saturday, August 5th, 2006, 00:02 UTC

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Juski:

k-man: tried looking in the wiki?

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casey_:

Juski: this is my dmesg output <-- as stupid as this will sound but is what should show up im my turner was dectected : [ 49.921091] saa7133[0]: registered device video0 [v4l2]

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Juski:

casey: so far so good

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casey_:

yay

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Ithilion:

Howdy all.

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casey_:

juski should i be able to test it from this point?

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Juski:

casey_: yes. use xawtv or tvtime to test it.. and I recommend you find a howto

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casey_:

im looking for one but cant seem to find ... im in a lot of pain right now...so im getting easily frustrated

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casey_:

either kidney stones or kindey infection

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laga:

ouch. i hope ya get better soon :)

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Juski:

well just chill :)

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casey_:

i need to get this working for i go home

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casey_:

:(

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Juski:

not a good idea to rush things like this IMHO

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regicide666:

anyone know a reason why ivtv would stop working after about a week

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casey_:

Juski: Agreed

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Juski:

casey_: maybe knoppmyth would be a good way to go for you.. it can take a lot of the hard graft out of the setting up (but it's no silver bullet)

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casey_:

yeah, download is to slow at work ill get it when i get home, ubuntu is fairly good for finding the packages i need

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b8zs:

Anduin, I checked the master icon map, and it has info in it, but when I import it i still see nothing

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Juski:

if you've already got xawtv or tvtime installed, fire one of them up & see if you can get a picture & audio

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b8zs:

is it supposed to populate ~/.mythtv/channels

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casey_:

i just installed xawtv

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Anduin:

b8zs: The update should, yes, time to check your channel table.

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Juski:

casey_: does the tuner have an antenna or cable connection plugged in

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Juski:

?

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casey_:

yeah

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casey_:

cable

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b8zs:

Anduin, im not sure what a channel table is

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casey_:

i got a error trying to run xawtv from propmt

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Juski:

right so you should be good to try out the tuner.. did you hook the audio up to your soundcard, casey_?

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casey_:

no i have the audio off as of right now

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casey_:

X Error of failed request: XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode

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Anduin:

b8zs: DB table, basically to check that you have the right info in there.

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Juski:

casey_: this is a whole can of worms you're stepping into and like it or not, we're not usually in the business of doing complete walkthroughs

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casey_:

i understand

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Juski:

ah I think you need to install video drivers for the vga card, or try running xawtv under X if you're not

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casey_:

i have the nvidia drivers installed

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casey_:

v4l-conf returns the same error

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b8zs:

ther is an icon field, has a value of "NO" for Null

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Juski:

try tvtime instead...

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casey_:

k

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Juski:

in the meantime, I'm knucking fackered, so I'm going to bed

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Juski:

nn all

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casey_:

night

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Anduin:

b8zs: run mythfilldatabase --import-icon-map mastericonfile and paste the results to the paste site again.

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b8zs:

sure

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casey_:

wow tvtime workedf

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b8zs:

Anduin, output @ http://pastebin.ca/115984

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b8zs:

the output got messed up due to screen size, so there is no space: "master_i conmap.xml"

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Anduin:

b8zs: Hmm, I thought there would be more info, channel table unchanged?

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b8zs:

well im looking at it with: mysql>describe channel;

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b8zs:

and it looks the same

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Anduin:

b8zs: any chance of you pasting a select * from channel?

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Anduin:

b8zs: You can also look at the callsigntonetworkmap table

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b8zs:

ok i did select * from channel G; and under the icon field they are all blank :(

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Anduin:

b8zs: Can you paste the output to the paste site?

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b8zs:

ya sure

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b8zs:

do you need all the channels, or is one ok?

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Anduin:

one would be fine

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b8zs:

Anduin, output @ http://pastebin.ca/115991

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Anduin:

b8zs: Do you have a channel with a call sign in the master file?

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b8zs:

i doubt it, cause im not sure what the master file is

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Anduin:

b8zs: CNN for example

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Anduin:

or MSNBC if you prefer (no FNC because it is a conspiracy)

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b8zs:

I didnt tag any-of them

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Anduin:

tag?

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b8zs:

I thought zap2it would generate the call signs

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Anduin:

b8zs: They do

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b8zs:

im scrolling through the channel table, and all of the call signs are "Channel XX"

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b8zs:

if that helps

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Anduin:

b8zs: Just confirms a suspicion

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Anduin:

b8zs: You don't need to use the stupid analog channel scanner.

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b8zs:

so what can I do?

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Anduin:

b8zs: Does your mythfilldatabase have a --do-channel-updates option?

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b8zs:

aaah yes it does

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b8zs:

running that right now

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b8zs:

cool, its downloading the icons

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Anduin:

sorry it took so long

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b8zs:

it was my bad, i never read the full output of mythfilldatabase --help

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b8zs:

thanks for helping me though ;)

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Anduin:

I'll still blame the analog channel scanner, too many people use it when they don't need to.

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b8zs:

ya I definitly used it

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b8zs:

thought I had to

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xris:

yeah, what's the point of that, anyway?

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b8zs:

now the call signs are all filled in

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** b8zs dances **

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Anduin:

xris: For non-DD, non-xmltv users mostly, dtk added it.

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xris:

yeah, should add some comment there to warn people away from it.

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xris:

and rename "video source" to "listings source"...

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xris:

heh

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sigger:

I think I've asked this before, but since I'm about to plunk down $ I have to make sure: is g-wireless fast enough for a myth box to play dvd and avi content that it is accessing via that g connection?

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xris:

depends on the bitrate of the video, rf noise levels, etc.

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xris:

theoretically, yes.

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sigger:

I think I recall seeing 1MBps associated with DVDs. that sound familiar?

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Dagmar:

Nope

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Dagmar:

Go to vcdhelper.org or something. Guessing is just going to lead to failure

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sigger:

k, thanks

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Kichigai:

sigger, wait.

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Kichigai:

It's theoretically possible to pull enough bandwidth to do what you're talking about.

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Kichigai:

DVDs rarely exceed 9 MbPS in bandwidth, so it should be possible, given the amount of loss.

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Dagmar:

Doh. My mistake... www.videohelp.com is the site I mean to refer to

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Kichigai:

Most commercial DVDs have bitrates higher than 7 MbPS (8 and 9 seem common), but home-burned single layer DVDs often have bitrates closer to 4 MbPS or 2 MbPS.

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Kichigai:

Is that what you needed to know?

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sigger:

Dagmar: found info at http://www.osta.org/technology/dvdqa/dvdqa4.htm

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sigger:

this suggest 1.35MB/s

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Kichigai:

It's unlikely you'll find a a commercial DVD that's only 1.35 MbPS.

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GreyFoxx:

he said MB, not Mb

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sigger:

Kichigai: yes, but I can understand how dual layer can get to say 2.7 but I'mnot picturing how 8 and 9. Also I note you're using lower case b

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Kichigai:

Oh.

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sigger:

ya got it

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Fnc_:

what about BM's?

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sigger:

hey Fnc_

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Fnc_:

whats going on

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sigger:

buying netowrk stuff for my myth box to go wireless

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** GreyFoxx wonders how hard it would be to integrate projectM into myth **

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm

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Kichigai:

You're probably better off with wired technology.

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Kichigai:

More reliable, more bandwidth, cheaper.

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Fnc_:

so i dont know about those super g things or anything.. but from what i understand.. if you get some of the same brand stuff... then they go above the 54 stuff

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Kichigai:

I think they use parallel 802.11G connections or something.

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sigger:

I agree, however my master bedroom isn't wired for ethernet

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Kichigai:

My living room isn't wired for ethernet either, but run one cable behind a couple of bookcases, and no one noticed.

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Fnc_:

anyway... just my thought, on if you went that route.. you might get enough speed

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Kichigai:

That's assuming Super G mode isn't dependent on the driver.

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Fnc_:

ahh.. good calll

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GreyFoxx:

It's hardware

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Fnc_:

dont they have n stuff out yet?

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hads|home:

Only pre-N

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sigger:

hmmm, so maybe I'll run iptraf to see how much draw there really is, then I'l just guess how far off the "wire" rate the wirelss will be

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sigger:

I've seen super-G on linksys which is not usually my first choice, but that may be a good iea

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** GreyFoxx use to use his laptop as a wireless frontend beforeI wired the rest of the house **

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sigger:

GreyFoxx: 802.11(b) or (g)/?

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GreyFoxx:

g

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sigger:

you use it for tv or for dvds, avis, etc?

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GreyFoxx:

all of the above

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sigger:

any bandwidth issues?

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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sigger:

well there we go.

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GreyFoxx:

you "should" be fine. It will really depend on how good a signal you get between your AP and the client

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sigger:

sigger's rule of prudent purchasing : if you're not sure, go to an anonymous place, ask someone you don't really know well who may not have the same circumstances and then do what they say worked for them

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

hello GreyFoxx

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GreyFoxx:

hola

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: my wifi was shit

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SlicerDicer-:

I could not get it to operate with myth

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SlicerDicer-:

the data was too slow

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SlicerDicer-:

but then again I watch HDTV :)

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GreyFoxx:

no HD here

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Fnc_:

heak yeah.. thats the best way sigger

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Fnc_:

you might check in avsforum and see if anyone there is streaming stuff wirelessle

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SlicerDicer-:

I just ran wires all over lol

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** SlicerDicer- recalls crawling under the carpet **

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SlicerDicer-:

and getting stuck

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AngryElf:

/dev/dmix = ubuntu's mixer, yes?

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Kichigai:

I just ran one wire down our hall, in a small groove along the floor panels, then another around a corner, over the stairs, taped to the ceiling (the ceiling was junk anyway, no one looked at it), down along the door way, and behind some bookcases.

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GreyFoxx:

my father and I spent a day running wires through my walls to every room in the house. Ran 1 coax and 2 ethernet to every room :)

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sw_bluntman:

When I use nuvexport to export to DVD format, the resulting file has an annoying whistle in the audio. Does anyone have any idea how to correct this?

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Kichigai:

GreyFoxx, you lucky guy.

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AngryElf:

guys, mythfrontend is reporting that /dev/dsp is busy, being used by another app — but fuser /dev/dsp is reporting nothing (for that matter "fuser /dev/hda" also reports nothing")....any ideas?

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GreyFoxx:

AngryElf: as root try "lsof | grep dsp"

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AngryElf:

GreyFoxx, also nothing — some Warnings about can't stat() tmpfs blah blah....

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AngryElf:

is there any other way to check and see what's using a particular file/device?

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hads|home:

lsof :)

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AngryElf:

well, shouldn't lsof |grep hda turn up something? :(

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AngryElf:

obviously the HD has to be used

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GreyFoxx:

no, lsof | grep DRIVE would not show up

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GreyFoxx:

it's not an open file handle

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a1fa|64:

ehh.. kernel update time

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a1fa|64:

230 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 134 not upgraded.

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a1fa|64:

need to get that DMA working.. i am getting my gbit switch in tomorrow

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a1fa|64:

be about the time to upgrade the ivtv driver as well

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a1fa|64:

i hope i wont have to re-run mythtv-setup

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a1fa|64:

also. mythweb is showing shows at 5min increments.. wtf?

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GreyFoxx:

]

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a1fa|64:

GreyFoxx: ?

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a1fa|64:

i am going to upgrade to 2.6.17

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a1fa|64:

:)

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a1fa|64:

+ new nvidia driver, lirc, ivtv

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a1fa|64:

i had a record ~80 day uptime

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a1fa|64:

its been 80 days since the last system update

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sigger:

sorry was afk (feeding baby). can't quite run wires, but I will check out Super-G. Will also seek a good return policy :)

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sigger:

thanks gus

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sigger:

er, guys

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a1fa|64:

i was gonna say who is gus

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Kichigai:

An astronaught named "Gus"?

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a1fa|64:

who is running kernel 2.6.17?

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Kichigai:

I think KnoppMyth uses that kernel.

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a1fa|64:

almost done with all updates

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a1fa|64:

almost time for kernel update

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a1fa|64:

thats going to hurt

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Fnc_:

knopp is .15

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a1fa|64:

here we goooo

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a1fa|64:

i hate nforce3

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a1fa|64:

i got it on both of my computers

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a1fa|64:

i should've gotten nforce4

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a1fa|64:

so many problems with nfroce3

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hads|home:

nforce isn't that great in Linux at all is it?

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a1fa|64:

no

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a1fa|64:

nforce4 is ok

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hads|home:

OSS drivers?

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a1fa|64:

i think

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hads|home:

I've always stayed away from any nforce boards cause I didn't think that they had good OSS drivers.

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a1fa|64:

you can download drivers

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a1fa|64:

here we go.. a reboot

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a1fa|64:

i need a good grub image for my myth box

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Dagmar:

Surf around deviantart for a bit

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a1fa|64:

Linux mytivo 2.6.17-1-k7 #1 SMP Sat Jul 29 16:07:30 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux

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a1fa|64:

Dagmar: nothing on dev

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Dagmar:

There's no way you could have made a detailed search of DeviantArt that quickly.

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Dagmar:

...not when they've got literally *hundreds of thousands* of images

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a1fa|64:

i ssearched for grub

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evilDagmar:

Unless you're looking for pictures of grubs, that's not going to get you very far

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evilDagmar:

If you don't know how to take a regular image and turn it into something you can use with grub, then you're a lamer.

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evilDagmar:

It is *not* a complex task.

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evilDagmar:

Find an image you like, then figure out how to convert it. Life will be better.

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a1fa|64:

oh, i can do that

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a1fa|64:

but i dont want to do that

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a1fa|64:

i wanted something right then

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a1fa|64:

not anymore

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a1fa|64:

evilDagmar: bitch

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evilDagmar:

Damn I left my thumbdrive at home or I'd show you the scythe-centric fb screen I made the last time I went digging through DA for something

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evilDagmar:

a1fa|64: Lamer.

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evilDagmar:

Something that takes 30 seconds to convert doesn't even count as *work*

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a1fa|64:

stfu before i pop you like a zit on my asshole

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a1fa|64:

:)

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evilDagmar:

I suppose you'd be the expert at zit popping

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a1fa|64:

yeah

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a1fa|64:

i just poped one

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a1fa|64:

and you sure stink

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evilDagmar:

You should probably do something about the other 300 instead of spending your time being a lamer online.

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a1fa|64:

lol

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a1fa|64:

wtf is up with this flame cock face

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evilDagmar:

What's up with the namecalling? You can't think up any decent defense for why you're so lazy you want some fancy ricer graphic for your grub screens all converted for you?

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evilDagmar:

So long as you insist on not doing anything for yourself, your equipment will always be cookie-cutter trash.

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a1fa|64:

you are making people leave

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evilDagmar:

Suuuure I am

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a1fa|64:

there

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a1fa|64:

i put your mom as my grub image

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a1fa|64:

lets see how she does on my first reboot of the nigh

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evilDagmar:

What a waste of bandwidth you are

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evilDagmar:

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a1fa|64:

good

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a1fa|64:

you dicktwat

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a1fa|64:

m. kroger time

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a1fa|64:

need to buy mineral water

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Dagmar:

Silly little ricer

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sapbeast:

sounds like i missed the fun

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a1fa|64:

yeah

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Dagmar:

Not really.

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a1fa|64:

you missed the party

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a1fa|64:

damn

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a1fa|64:

my remote is not working :(

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a1fa|64:

lircd 8.1

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a1fa|64:

with gcc4.1

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a1fa|64:

ok... everything should work fine now

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a1fa|64:

ah fucked up

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a1fa|64:

damn it

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a1fa|64:

ivtv driver is not working :(

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a1fa|64:

or its mythtv frontend acting up

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a1fa|64:

2006-08–04 22:32:06.000 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingLiveTV

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a1fa|64:

and i get a blank screen

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a1fa|64:

wtf

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a1fa|64:

ok.. what a hell.. anybody?

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a1fa|64:

why is it recording in .nuv format again instead of mpg?

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RandomDude15:

hey

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RandomDude15:

I need help getting a media center remote working.

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RandomDude15:

in kubuntu.

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AngryElf:

okay, i'm out of ideas — mythfrontend is still saying /dev/dsp is being used by another app.....but nothing is running, now what?

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RandomDude15:

what soundcard do you have?

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mos__:

AngryElf, you could enable dmix

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mos__:

or have you tried that?

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RandomDude15:

I still need help.

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mos__:

AngryElf, put this into your ~/.asoundrc http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/30rKPr22.html

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stevenm:

How can I take a screenshot of a frame in a recording paused in mythfrontend?

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RandomDude15:

how do I make modprobe lirc_mceusb2 load at startup?

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mos__:

stevenm, myth doesnt do that, you gotta use what is provided

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mos__:

RandomDude15, distro?

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stevenm:

mos__, so what is provided? It throws it onto an overlay?

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mos__:

stevenm, ksnapshot is one way

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mos__:

there are a lot of screencap apps

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stevenm:

mos__, and that will work even with the overlay?

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RandomDude15:

kubuntu

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mos__:

RandomDude15, put it in /etc/modules

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stevenm:

in my experience, a standard snapshop program used on mythtv simlpy captures a blue screen, with the video itself being in a different part of video memory

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stevenm:

this is why i ask

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RandomDude15:

i need it to load before all other usb stuff

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mos__:

stevenm, what tools have you used?

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mos__:

myth has no internal method of doing that

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RandomDude15:

NOTE: The lirc_mceusb2 module must load before any USB ehci modules!

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stevenm:

mos__, I have tried it with the Gimp and the gnome buildin program

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RandomDude15:

there is no /etc/modules

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RandomDude15:

im using dapper

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stevenm:

mos__, it looks fine, until you quit myth, since the overlay disappears

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mos__:

create it then

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stevenm:

mos__, yep- ksnapshot just captures the overlay surface- just a blue screen

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mos__:

stevenm, dunno what to tell you then no app will capture it and myth doesnt provide a method to do so

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RandomDude15:

well?

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mos__:

RandomDude15,

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mos__:

[00:03] <mos__> create it then

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GreyFoxx:

stevenm: set the NO_XV flag, then run mythfrontend

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evilDagmar:

Okay, for one thing, /etc/modules is *nothing*

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GreyFoxx:

and youcan grab a snapshot of the video too

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GreyFoxx:

NO_XV=1 mythfrontend

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evilDagmar:

The file that matters is /etc/modules.conf, and that *only* for 2.4.x kernels.

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GreyFoxx:

and for that one execution it will disable XV output and use regular x11 calls

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mos__:

evilDagmar, /etc/modules is the 2.6 one

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stevenm:

GreyFoxx, thanks. that should do t

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evilDagmar:

No, /etc/modprobe.conf is.

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evilDagmar:

Only if a distro has done something weird and hacked up will "/etc/modules" be read.

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mos__:

evilDagmar, then kubuntu changes a lot more then they claim from debian

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GreyFoxx:

stevenm: That's how I took the screenshots of my OSD ontop of the video

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evilDagmar:

mos__: I'm not suprised in the least that they woudl.

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evilDagmar:

Either way, /etc/modprobe.conf will work *everywhere*

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EnterUserName:

hi all

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EnterUserName:

does anyone use Change Channel scripts here? How do i tell what mythfrontend sends as parameters/

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EnterUserName:

i cant see to find it on the net

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EnterUserName:

as well can th ebackend runt he change channel script too for recording pu rposes

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EnterUserName:

hello?

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EnterUserName:

can anyoneh elp?

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kormoc:

Hello. Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me. Is there anyone at home?

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Dagmar:

The backend has to be able to change channels, of course.

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Dagmar:

...and don't IRC as root.

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EnterUserName:

erk

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EnterUserName:

ya

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EnterUserName:

stupid of me :O

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EnterUserName:

is there a good howto on this

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kormoc:

EnterUserName, and besides, the frontend never changes the channel

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kormoc:

EnterUserName, the frontend will request the backend to change the channel

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Dagmar:

If you want to know what arguments myth passes to an external script, just replace the script with a little bash script that logs the arguments passed to somewhere.

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EnterUserName:

hrm ya i was thinkign on doign that

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EnterUserName:

just wondering if there was an easier Way :)

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Dagmar:

It doesn't get much easier than echo $* > /tmp/foo.txt

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EnterUserName:

point taken :)

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Dagmar:

Usually I dump set and export while I'm at it to see if there's anything useful in the environment

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EnterUserName:

ok thank you :)

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Tobin:

Does anyone here have a nVidia card and know how to reposition the TV out image? Scaling it, using TVOverScan works but it's off center.

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Tobin:

I couldn't find anything useful in the docs.

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evilDagmar:

Blue line problem?

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Tobin:

Blue line?

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evilDagmar:

Then you don't have it

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tjcarter:

"It must be a real pain in the ass." "Ugh, how long did you work on that?" "Longer than I care to admit..."

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evilDagmar:

The same place in the setup menus in the frontend where you set overscan values you can also set offsets, but I would just turn the amount of overscan *down*

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Tobin:

You mean the nVidia config front end?

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Tobin:

I've adjusted the overscan so that the image just fills the screen but the TV is crappy and there's a lot lost off the left edge.

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Tobin:

Well, enough to be irritating at any rate.

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Tobin:

evilDagmar: I'm sorry but I can't find anything to adjust the offsets. What are they listed under?

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evilDagmar:

They're in the setup menus for appearance

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evilDagmar:

Keep digging. You'll find them.

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evilDagmar:

They're not going to help a problem with the TV being crappy tho

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Tobin:

In the nVidia config tool?

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evilDagmar:

No, in the MythTV setup menus

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Tobin:

Ah, OK.

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evilDagmar:

Just like I said

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Tobin:

I misunderstood what you meant by "frontend". :)

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Tobin:

I can's find anything about video offsets or overscan in MythTV's Appearance menus.

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Cyberai:

is there a way to manually assign a movie poster image to a movie you have in your videos?

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Tobin:

Hmm, oh well. I might use this as an excise for getting a new TV.

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Tobin:

Btw, roughly how long does a job like commercial flagging take?

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Cyberai:

depends on your cpu Tobin

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Cyberai:

it's pretty darn fast on mine at 2.8 GHz P4

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evilDagmar:

Cyberai: Yes, you can.

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Cyberai:

evilDagmar, how?

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evilDagmar:

Just pull up the info menu on it

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Cyberai:

aha

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Cyberai:

evilDagmar, I went to "play Videos" and selected the video and hit "I" and the only menu choices I get are "watch this video?view full plot/cancel" ?

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evilDagmar:

That's because there's something other than "Play Videos" you should be looking at.

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sw_bluntman:

Is anyone using ledxmit-serial with a fairly new kernel? I'm having trouble installing it on my FC5 box. Getting "ledxmit_serial: Unknown symbol ledxmit_unregister_plugin" in dmesg

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sw_bluntman:

it worked fine in 2.6.16–1

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evilDagmar:

Yeah, well, it's a kernel module, right? They have to built against the kernel you're using.

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sw_bluntman:

evilDagmar: Right, and it appears to be doing that. The build process lists the location for the current kernel source

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sw_bluntman:

Sorry, forgot to mention that I did recompile after the kernel upgrade

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evilDagmar:

Make sure you do a `make clean` before you build the module again.

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sw_bluntman:

It might be relevant that I am having to manually copy ledxmit_serial.ko to the extras directory of /lib/modules/2.6.17–1.2157_FC5/

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evilDagmar:

Missing symbols aren't something that would normally slip through the build process without stale object files beig in the way

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evilDagmar:

You also might want to make sure you don't have a second copy of the kernel module stale floating around in there somewhere

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evilDagmar:

`modinfo modulename` will generally tell you what kernel the module being loaded was built agains, among other details

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sw_bluntman:

Well, I don't know how familiar you are with ledxmit, but it might have something to do with that. Ledxmit is basically just a script that renames all the lirc stuff to ledxmit and recompiles so that you can have a second lirc on the system (one for receive, one for transmit). I am running the script against a newer version of lirc than is recomended b/c the old version won't compile with...

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sw_bluntman:

...new kernels.

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sw_bluntman:

filename is the one I copied in, and vermagic line shows the correct kernel version.

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sw_bluntman:

in modinfo

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sw_bluntman:

point of telling you all of that huge comment above is that I am using an old script against a new source, so the quality control may not be great :)

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sw_bluntman:

Others seem to have it working, though, so it may be fedora/redhat and their stupid kernel source procedures. I'm trying something else now.

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enterusername:

hey all

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enterusername:

I am using tvout on my video card and i get the mythtv menu

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enterusername:

however when ever i do playback nothign works

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enterusername:

erk

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enterusername:

well the tv goes on my monitor

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enterusername:

but not on my tv

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enterusername:

any idea why?

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enterusername:

Ok. Just to clarify the problem if you are unsure. I have tvout both screens are showing with the Mythtv Menu however when i watch tv only the monitor works my tv does goes blank

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enterusername:

hm?

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enterusername:

Hi aid. could you ghelp me with an issue?

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enterusername:

hello?

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Jasper:

hello, can someone help me...all I get is static on my tuner card

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Jasper:

not?

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LLyric:

Jasper: there are many things that could be wrong

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LLyric:

Start with the tuner tools, not mythtv. Get that working first.

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Jasper:

tuner tools?

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Jasper:

what tuner tools?

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LLyric:

It depends what tuner you're using, for a start

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LLyric:

Get the drivers loading properly, for one

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Jasper:

they are

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Jasper:

that's why I get static

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evilDagmar:

Suuuuure they are

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LLyric:

Getting them *working* is different to loading.

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** LLyric sighs **

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LLyric:

Which card do you have?

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** Jasper sighs **

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Jasper:

pvr500

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evilDagmar:

Jasper: We've debugged these issues sooooo many times you just have no idea

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LLyric:

Upload your dmesg output to pastebin

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evilDagmar:

Trust me and listen to what Llyric says. It usually boils down to one of four or five things being wrong, that are all rather simple, and that the user always swears up and down are just fine--until they actually look closely.

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Jasper:

http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/dmesg.txt

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Jasper:

if you wonder about all the failed to load stuff

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LLyric:

ivtv0: Failed to load module tveeprom

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Jasper:

I reload it below

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LLyric:

Sheesh

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LLyric:

Fix it properly

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Jasper:

oh k

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Jasper:

you tell me how to then

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Jasper:

I've been trying to fix that for a few days

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evilDagmar:

Jasper: You were saying what about the ivtv driver loading properly?

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Jasper:

I have no clue why it cna't load them

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evilDagmar:

"ivtv0: Failed to load module tuner" bleh blah blooh

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LLyric:

Jasper: so turn up the logging on the ivtv driver

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evilDagmar:

I dont' think he needs to go that far

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evilDagmar:

I think he actually needs to go back into his kernel config and _compile_ those modules

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LLyric:

gentoo heh

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Jasper:

evilDagmar plz

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Jasper:

look a bit further

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Jasper:

instead of acting like I'm some fool

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LLyric:

Just loading the modules later isnt good enough – there's lots of setup that needs to be done in the right order

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evilDagmar:

Jasper: Dude, I have the PVr500, and if I'm looking at you like you're a fool, it's because I can see clearly.

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evilDagmar:

I'm guessing you don't have the stuff from the kernel that needs to be compiled at all.

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Jasper:

evilDagmar why can I load the modules then?

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Jasper:

if I don't have them

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** LLyric has the pvr-350, and has done it himself half a dozen times, and helped people in here another dozen. **

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Jasper:

and yes I had the pvr 500 setup before too, since on another box it works fine

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evilDagmar:

Device Drivers->Multimedia Devices->Video Capture Adapters->Encoders and Decoders

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Jasper:

ffs

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evilDagmar:

Go in there and turn them all on as modules.

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LLyric:

Forget using mythtv, it's a crappy way to get your drivers/card working properly

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evilDagmar:

Otherwise tda9887, cx25840, and wm8775 would load just fine

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LLyric:

Use ptune and/or composite in, and cat from the video file

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Jasper:

evilDagmar that's such good advise..

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Jasper:

when I cat I get static

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evilDagmar:

Okay asswipe. Stare at static all day.

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Jasper:

llyric

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Jasper:

don't claim that I don't have the modules in my kernel evilDagmar that's all I say

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Jasper:

because they're in there

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evilDagmar:

It's not like I don't have a PVR-500 myself and haven't built the whole thing several times over through the last nine kernel releases or anything

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LLyric:

Jasper: tune it first, or change to composite in first

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Jasper:

I'll give you that detailed errorlog first

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evilDagmar:

ivtv expects those modules to be there. "Failed to load module blah" is all you get out of it if they're not available.

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Jasper:

no kidding....so why aren't they available?

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evilDagmar:

How about `depmod -n | grep "^/lib" | grep tda9887` for one

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evilDagmar:

You'll likely get no output from that

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Jasper:

hmm actualyl I do

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evilDagmar:

Error messages don't count.

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Jasper:

http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/blaat.txt

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evilDagmar:

Hmm... let's chase it further up the tree then

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evilDagmar:

Because literally *none* of the other modules ivtv depends on got loaded

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Jasper:

I know...but they're all on the machine

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Jasper:

otherwise I wouldn't even have been able to build ivtv

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evilDagmar:

Oh but you actually *can* get it to compile without anything under the Encoders and Decoders section compiled in

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evilDagmar:

This now qualifies as an "interesting" problenm

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Jasper:

I've been talking to gentoo coders about it, and they don't know what the problem is

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evilDagmar:

Hmmm...

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Jasper:

so I hope you can fix it

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Jasper:

it appears to me like it has something to do with the modules being unreachable

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Jasper:

but I've allready looked at mounting issues

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Jasper:

I get those errors both with read and with readwrite for the disks

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Jasper:

so thats not the problem

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evilDagmar:

The file /lib/modules/2.6.17-gentoo-r4/kernel/drivers/media/video/tda9887.ko isn't like, 0-bytes long or something, is it?

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Jasper:

31224

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Jasper:

how can I set a frequency for the devices?

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evilDagmar:

Have you tried modprobing it manually?

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Jasper:

yeah same errors

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Jasper:

I can load the modules all seperatly

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Jasper:

with modprobe

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Jasper:

but ivtv just gives errors it cna't loda them

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evilDagmar:

Leave it to Gentoo to come up with fantastically bizarre issues... Damn this is a horrible night to have my myth box offline

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Jasper:

but when everyuthing is booted up...when I try to deload tveeprom...which got loaded even though ivtv apparently couldn't load it

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Jasper:

it tells me it is in use by ivtv

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evilDagmar:

Let's try something simple...

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Jasper:

while the loading failed ? :P

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evilDagmar:

Pull up `modinfo tda9887` and see if it says *anything* unusual

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evilDagmar:

...and then do the same for ivtv

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evilDagmar:

This isn't 64-bit Gentoo is it?

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Jasper:

yes it is

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evilDagmar:

I don't know for sure that it matters, but that might be where the problem-space is

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Jasper:

http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/tda9887.txt

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Jasper:

it is intel running on amd64

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evilDagmar:

Hmm... THat might not actually be a useable thing there

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evilDagmar:

Mainly I've just avoided dealing with pure 64-bit so far since everything works as 32-bit

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evilDagmar:

It really should damn well be *working*

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evilDagmar:

That's the same model card as I have even

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evilDagmar:

Lemme reconstruct something on my devel box real fast

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LLyric:

My pvr-350 worked okay on amd-64

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evilDagmar:

It doesn't have a tuner, but I cna at least replicate the software environment which will make it easier to look at

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evilDagmar:

LLyric: Yeah, but were you using an AMD chip or an Intel chip

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LLyric:

AMD

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evilDagmar:

I dont know that the two are compatible, and he has the 64-bit *intel* chip

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Jasper:

that's the whole problem evilDagmar ...it SHOULD be working..

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Jasper:

but it aint..

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evilDagmar:

This would be a *really* weird place for that to break

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Jasper:

and I have NO clue why it can't find the modules

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Jasper:

or load them for that matter

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evilDagmar:

That's something I'm working on sorting out a better diags for

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LLyric:

Try increasing the logging of ivtv driver?

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evilDagmar:

...but just to check, *you* compiled the kernel on *that* machine, and with that same compiler, as well as ivtv, right?

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Jasper:

yes

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evilDagmar:

It can't hurt to turn debugging up on the ivtv modulele

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evilDagmar:

I was really hoping he'd say no there

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Jasper:

llyric you want a modprobe ivtv_debug=511 ?

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evilDagmar:

I think just 1 is all you have to set it to

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Jasper:

hmm how am I gonna put this in a file

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Jasper:

I tried modprobe ivtv ivtv_debug=511 > modprobe.txt

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Jasper:

but that aint working

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evilDagmar:

Might as well focus on the tveeprom module, since it's first up

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evilDagmar:

Ah they have changed that a wee bit

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evilDagmar:

This bit at least is easy

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LLyric:

Jasper: I don't remember myself, check modinfo.

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LLyric:

brb, restart X, trying to get X working nicely with 3d

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evilDagmar:

rmmod all the modules there, and then stick the following into /etc/modprobe.conf

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evilDagmar:

options ivtv ivtv_debug=511

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Jasper:

no the ivtv_debug is working

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evilDagmar:

Then just pass it a depmod

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Jasper:

but it is being written to dmesg

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Jasper:

I want it written in my own file

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Jasper:

since it doesn't fit dmesg :P

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evilDagmar:

So just use logger to scribble something into your syslog that you can find

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evilDagmar:

You like fifos? There's a trick that can be used with them

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evilDagmar:

Your syslog may or may not support writing to fifos without special instruction. That's the "interesting" part of using them

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evilDagmar:

But as a temp measure, just add "*.* /var/log/kitchensink" to /etc/syslog.conf and then killall -HUP syslogd

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evilDagmar:

You'll get everything that would be otherwise going through the syslog in that file

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evilDagmar:

You can comment the line back out later.

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evilDagmar:

(that is, unless you have SCADS of disk space)

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Jasper:

not really

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evilDagmar:

So like, in a week or three your disk might be full, but a few hours of testing isn't likely to fill anything up

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Jasper:

evilDagmar it's called /etc/syslog.conf?

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evilDagmar:

If you wanted to leave it in a semi-permanent kind of way, you could do a `mkfifo /var/log/kitchenpipe` and then direct syslogd at that

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evilDagmar:

Jasper: Depending on the implementation it may be called /etc/syslogd.conf

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evilDagmar:

THE NASTY THING about having syslogd write to a fifo is that when a fifo fills up and nothing is listening, writes to it block

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evilDagmar:

Older machines, and I think this is mostly been killed off everywhere now, but older machines syslogd would actually use a blockable write

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evilDagmar:

...and almost everything talks to syslog with blockable writes, which would lead to a condition where you couldn't login as the admin because it would try to log the fact that you logged in, and just stop

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evilDagmar:

Meaning login would "just stop" when it tried to record that someone was logging in.

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evilDagmar:

On the older syslogd's that can write to a fifo, the man pages will mention prefixing the filename with a "|" character

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evilDagmar:

On the newest syslogds you don't have to do anything special, it'll just figure it out on it's own

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evilDagmar:

...with a fifo, you can just `cat /var/log/kitchenpipe` and it'll behave just as if you were doing a tail -f /var/log/whatever on a file that's being automatically destroyed

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evilDagmar:

But fer now just go with a normal file with *.* being logged to it

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evilDagmar:

Just remember to comment that line back out once everythings working

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Jasper:

1 sec...rebooting box

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evilDagmar:

Slackware's (10.2) syslogd still currently requires a pipe character to make it behave properly with fifos

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evilDagmar:

Typo'd as "by prepending a pipy symbol (``|'') to the name"

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evilDagmar:

tveeprom.ko is, IIRC, what gets the tuner tables, so if that's not loading up then it's not likely you'll be able to get it to tune a channel

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Jasper:

hmm it's getting better and better

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Jasper:

modprobe ivtv ivtv_debug=511 just made my box crash

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evilDagmar:

You don't need to specify the option if you put it in modprobe.conf

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evilDagmar:

...but that's at least a sign of *something*

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Jasper:

on my other box this card worked perfectly

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Jasper:

installed it several times without problems..

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Jasper:

but this is just...weird

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evilDagmar:

Was that an AMD or an Intel chip?

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Jasper:

intel

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Jasper:

but 32 bit

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evilDagmar:

I have my doubts about whether or not it's safe to use the AMD 64-bit binaries on 64-bit Intel box, but no one that I know for sure could comment on it is up right now

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evilDagmar:

That *surely* should not have rebooted the box tho. heh

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Jasper:

btw did you also see the i2c warnings

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Jasper:

in the dmesg

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Darthy:

do you guys know when 0.20 will approximately be out?

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evilDagmar:

Jasper: You mean "ivtv1: i2c hardware 0x00000020 not found for command 0x4008646d!" and so on?

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evilDagmar:

Those are normal when those other modules aren't loading

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Jasper:

oh k

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evilDagmar:

I'm actually Googling since I can't get at my own misbegotten syslogs

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evilDagmar:

See //www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-users@ivtvdriver.org/msg03519.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-users@ivtvdr . . . sg03519.html for a similar example

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evilDagmar:

You didn't compile i2c stuff directly into the kernel did you?

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Darthy:

what does this mean: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7413060]ac-tex damaged at 0 35, [mpeg2video @ 0xb7413060]invalid mb type in I Frame at 0 29, aso.. is my satelite-stuff not set up right?

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evilDagmar:

I know the stuff is *supposed* to work okay when it's built into the kernel, but in practice lots of things fail miserably *unless* they're built as modules

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Jasper:

yes I did evilDagmar

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Jasper:

let me check btw

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Juski:

morning all

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Jasper:

morning Juski

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Darthy:

morning

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evilDagmar:

Juski! What do you know about the compatibility of 64-bit AMD binaries run on a 64-bit *Intel* box?

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Juski:

evilDagmar: precisely _nothing_ !

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evilDagmar:

Juski: Damn

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evilDagmar:

Jasper's ivtv is acting crazy because it's not loading *anything* it depends on (tveeprom, tuner, tda9887, etc) and basically it *should* be working

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Juski:

they might work I guess, but not being a 64-bit user I can't cite any examples from experience

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Jasper:

yes Juski it's me again :P

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evilDagmar:

Yeah, I've been avoiding it because I hate having to comb out /lib and /lib64 fights

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Jasper:

btw evilDagmar

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Jasper:

http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/dmesg.txt

[10:15:51]

Juski:

can you not just use 32-bit binaries?

[10:16:07]

Jasper:

that's with the advanced logging

[10:16:34]

Jasper:

look at the bottom for the ivtv stuff

[10:16:50]

evilDagmar:

Jebus that writes a lot

[10:17:08]

Jasper:

ivtv0 i2c: Slave did not ack

[10:17:08]

Jasper:

ivtv0 i2c: i2c write to 6f failed

[10:17:15]

Jasper:

I actually get a lot of those

[10:17:50]

evilDagmar:

Well, the modules aren't working

[10:18:15]

evilDagmar:

All that i2c stuff is just so much jibber-jabber right now

[10:19:17]

Juski:

might be time to get down & dirty & compile a kernel & ivtv

[10:19:23]

evilDagmar:

I'm trying to find the hooks that call tveeprom so maybe something can be done about getting it to cough up a reason why it isn't loading that

[10:19:30]

Jasper:

I really don't understand this...how can it NOT be finding the modules..

[10:19:47]

Juski:

neither of which is really very hard ;)

[10:20:03]

Juski:

possibly save this headache of yours :)

[10:21:39]

Darthy:

evilDagmar > since the amds support sse, sse2, sse3 and mmx, binaries built on an intel-64 should work on an amd-64 and vice versa. if you only built your apps using 64 bit registers and x86 code without any expansions it should work 100%!

[10:22:00]

evilDagmar:

Darthy: That's kinda what I was hoping to hear

[10:22:29]

evilDagmar:

Lemme look up how to turn up the logging on modprobe/kmod

[10:22:32]

Jasper:

I'm reading numerous reports about ivtv with 64 bit not working

[10:23:08]

evilDagmar:

Yeah, I saw a lot of those and was not amused

[10:23:29]

evilDagmar:

Try this... It *might* tell us something useful... `modprobe --show-depends ivtv`

[10:23:40]

evilDagmar:

It will at least rule out something crazy going on in the dependencies

[10:24:09]

Jasper:

http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/depends.txt

[10:24:15]

Jasper:

hmm

[10:24:16]

Jasper:

1 sec

[10:24:22]

evilDagmar:

You should see something really similar to http://pastebin.ca/116560

[10:24:28]

Darthy:

be aware that the numerics of the expansions like sseX does give a little different solutions in arithmetic-calculations.. but this is quite common since amd and intel implement their algo-units a bit different.. i think on the most applications this can be ignored

[10:24:52]

Darthy:

.. but not in all! :)

[10:24:53]

Jasper:

http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/depends.txt

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Jasper:

that's it evilDagmar

[10:25:03]

evilDagmar:

Darthy: I know the timings/schedulers for them are dramatically different at least

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evilDagmar:

Jasper: Okay,, there should really be more lines than that coming out of it

[10:25:35]

evilDagmar:

We MAY have a winner!!!

[10:25:46]

evilDagmar:

Wow will this suck if it's the case, too. LOL

[10:25:52]

Darthy:

that makes synching multiplayer games so hard. :/

[10:26:11]

evilDagmar:

Do a `find /lib/modules/2.6.17-gentoo-r4/ -name videodev.ko`

[10:26:29]

evilDagmar:

Darthy: Well, I suppose if you're on Gigabit ethernet maybe

[10:26:43]

Jasper:

nothing evilDagmar

[10:27:03]

evilDagmar:

Jasper: Okay. THAT could tank things all by itself. Let's figure out where that comes from in the kernel and see if that doesn't fix it immediately

[10:27:41]

Darthy:

evilDagmar> but you have to consider while coding what parameters can be calculated on each machine and what needs to be snyched.. this often relies on the bad compatibility of the fpu for example.

[10:27:47]

evilDagmar:

Did you actually leave out Video 4 Linux support?

[10:27:58]

Jasper:

you mean in the kernel?

[10:28:05]

evilDagmar:

Right there under Device Drivers->Multimedia Devices

[10:28:08]

evilDagmar:

Yes, in the kernel

[10:28:17]

evilDagmar:

That's one of them wot goes crazy if it's not a module

[10:28:19]

Juski:

they should be made as modules

[10:28:35]

Jasper:

video for linux is in the kernel now

[10:28:41]

Juski:

if nothing else it makes working out when you need easier

[10:28:43]

evilDagmar:

If you built it into the kernel, welcome to Painful Lessons About Which Things Don't Play Well Monolithically

[10:28:58]

evilDagmar:

It neesd to be a module. :)

[10:29:08]

Juski:

M :)

[10:29:15]

evilDagmar:

Half the USB subsystem goes completely bonkers if it's built into the kernel, too

[10:29:31]

Jasper:

it's making now

[10:29:35]

Juski:

usbfs is okay built in, in my experience

[10:30:11]

Juski:

Jasper: I told you they needed to be modules the other day. you must've missed it

[10:30:12]

Darthy:

i have a prob when compiling mythtv.. when he reaches to build the libmyth gcc gives me:: In function `__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx':

[10:30:14]

Darthy:

: multiple definition of `__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx'

[10:30:14]

evilDagmar:

Well, that yeah, but the various device drivers, nooo.... and god forbid the ub driver get bult-in

[10:30:39]

Jasper:

guess so juski

[10:30:47]

laga:

mroning juski

[10:30:47]

Jasper:

only video for linux was in the kernel

[10:30:51]

Jasper:

all the other modules weren't

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evilDagmar:

Bah. Silly frenchmen on the news again. "He is too manly! It is unfair competition!"

[10:31:02]

Jasper:

should I also rebuild ivtv?

[10:31:05]

Juski:

morning laga

[10:31:06]

evilDagmar:

Nah

[10:31:07]

Jasper:

after reboot in the new kernel?

[10:31:13]

evilDagmar:

Well... let's see if it explodes first.

[10:31:16]

Juski:

try the new kernel 1st

[10:31:25]

evilDagmar:

At least we'll see different shaped frags this time

[10:31:27]

Juski:

changey one thing at a time :)

[10:31:54]

Jasper:

failed to load...

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Juski:

laga: wiki editing is a PiTA.. official!

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evilDagmar:

. o O ( God I hope he remembered to do a make clean first )

[10:32:09]

laga:

Juski: huh? why?

[10:32:11]

evilDagmar:

Juski: This is why everyone should use MediaWiki

[10:32:42]

Juski:

laga: making sure the facts are right, reading, re-reading, editing.. re-reading...

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[10:33:06]

Juski:

getting into the swing of it now though. and getting the hang of formatting

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Juski:

there's now a bit of a howto for uk xmltv :)

[10:33:50]

evilDagmar:

Juski: Now imagine you had to do that in bare HTML

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Jasper:

hmm evilDagmar I should have done a make clena?

[10:34:11]

Jasper:

before make && make modules_install

[10:34:15]

evilDagmar:

Jasper: Ouch. Yeah

[10:34:22]

Juski:

evilDagmar: I know, I know...

[10:34:28]

Jasper:

ok

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evilDagmar:

Jasper: Any time you change a part of the monolithic kernel into a module, or just take out or put in part of the monolithic (non-modules) kernel, you need to do a make clean

[10:34:56]

Jasper:

so first make clean

[10:35:00]

evilDagmar:

You can get away with a lot just turning modules off and on

[10:35:01]

Jasper:

and then make && make modules_install

[10:35:03]

evilDagmar:

Yeah.

[10:35:21]

Jasper:

oh btw

[10:35:25]

evilDagmar:

Just turning something on or off as a module doesn't change the monolithic part of the kernel, and generally you don't have to do a make clean

[10:35:30]

Jasper:

the enable video for linux api 1 (depricated)

[10:35:33]

Jasper:

should that be added?

[10:35:35]

evilDagmar:

You don't need it

[10:35:41]

evilDagmar:

It doesn't hurt anything but you don't need it.

[10:35:55]

Jasper:

and the api 1 compatible layer also not?

[10:36:00]

evilDagmar:

"depricated" == big hint nothing should still be using it

[10:36:07]

evilDagmar:

That you can enable

[10:36:18]

Jasper:

but taht's kernel only

[10:36:25]

Jasper:

that's allright then?

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evilDagmar:

Yeah, all that does is make the v4l2 stuff also able to handle v4l code, afaik

[10:37:01]

evilDagmar:

All this stuff in ivtv-0.7.0 uses v4l2, as far as I know

[10:37:13]

evilDagmar:

I'm pretty sure I have neither of those enabled on my myth box

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Jasper:

ok it's redoing the make && make modules_install

[10:37:50]

evilDagmar:

Don't forget to put the new kernel in it's proper place before you reboot

[10:37:51]

Juski:

btw I dunno if any mythtv devs are aware of this (I assume & hope they are).. the ivtv API is a-changing

[10:38:10]

Jasper:

I won't evilDagmar :P

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gardengnome:

Juski: yes, they are, kind of. i think janne already posted a patch.

[10:38:17]

evilDagmar:

I'm not trying to be nursemaidy or something here, just haven't seen it mentioned and don't know how new you are to all this stuff

[10:38:33]

Jasper:

had to much beer yesterday to do linux stuff :P

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evilDagmar:

gardengnome: I figured they were at least a little bit aware of it since I've seen a few things in dead-space in the code that appear to only be used in the new API stuff

[10:39:01]

Juski:

I'd been using linux for 2 hours when I found out I had to patch my 2.6.9 kernel to get my dvb tuner worky

[10:39:23]

Juski:

talk about baptism of fire :)

[10:39:50]

Jasper:

so you think this will change things evilDagmar ?

[10:40:00]

evilDagmar:

Jasper: I think it will

[10:40:13]

Jasper:

if it does they shouldn't make that video 4 stuff being able to put it in the kernel

[10:40:14]

Juski:

suck it & see :) (as I used to say)

[10:40:18]

evilDagmar:

If nothing else, we'll get different shaped fragments and maybe a less loud explosion

[10:40:41]

evilDagmar:

Every fragment fewer is a step closer in the direction of "doesn't explode in the face"

[10:40:55]

hads|home:

I like it.

[10:41:20]

Jasper:

a distclean wasn't necesaary right evilDagmar ?

[10:41:21]

Dagmar:

...and maybe one day Comcast will learn how to actually manage a freaking cable node

[10:41:27]

Dagmar:

Nope.

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Juski:

I should really pull the demo box out & fix it this morning. upgrade to dapper, then try the hamsta debs.. then see if it worky, and then get grabbing svn & buildy build

[10:41:46]

Dagmar:

ABout the only difference between the clean target and the mrproper target is that one blows away your .config file and the other one doesn't

[10:42:17]

Dagmar:

Good thing I had this other client sitting here while I upgrade bits on my ex-gf's firewall

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Dagmar:

Slowly but surely I start to feel better about this pro-police enabled gcc build

[10:43:13]

Hoxzer:

Juski: what do you think about crackers that sieze control of multiple computer in case there happens something radical in the world that needs to be corrected?

[10:44:23]

Dagmar:

Most of the people with any level of skill that would matter already have access at multiple points on the globe without having to "sieze control" of anything larger than the coffeemaker.

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Jasper:

it's rebooting dagmar

[10:45:10]

Juski:

Hoxzer: what? like la revolution? Personally I think black hat hackers have a role to play, but not by pwning unsuspecting people's PCs.

[10:45:32]

Dagmar:

Most decent blackhats could really give two snorts about people's desktops

[10:46:21]

Juski:

I think Hoxzer might be learning blackhat stuff so he can get a working mythbox by nefarious means...

[10:46:28]

Jasper:

same errors dagmar

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Dagmar:

Does that modprobe command show videodev in the list now tho?

[10:47:25]

Hoxzer:

Juski: :( my mythbox hasn't crash like a 3 weeks now

[10:47:28]

Dagmar:

Hey you never rebuilt ivtv

[10:47:36]

Jasper:

gonna try now Dagmar

[10:47:38]

Dagmar:

I should have realized that would be needed, too. Doh

[10:47:43]

Jasper:

oh I asked you

[10:47:47]

Jasper:

and you said no :p

[10:47:52]

Dagmar:

It's 5:47am here

[10:47:54]

Jasper:

I'll rebuilt it now

[10:48:01]

Dagmar:

I needx0r a quick smoke

[10:48:18]

Dagmar:

Comcast is making me crazy with the way this node behaves

[10:50:16]

Jasper:

aii dagmar

[10:50:16]

Jasper:

:P

[10:50:33]

Jasper:

it fails to build because config_video_v4l1 is not set

[10:50:43]

Jasper:

and config_video_saa711x

[10:50:50]

Juski:

Jasper: make it so

[10:51:02]

Juski:

I need a dead pig sandwich

[10:51:11]

Dagmar:

Jasper: That saa711x one is definitely in the Encoders and Decoders section I talked about earlier

[10:51:41]

Dagmar:

Gonna definitely have that cigarette now and try not to think about the call I may be making to Comcast Tech Support in a few hours

[10:51:52]

Dagmar:

They are such a pack of ignorant arseholes

[10:52:00]

evilDagmar:

But it might "just work" this time without further prodding

[10:52:07]

Dagmar:

It makes me want to cry that I'm not allowed to go down there and start killing them

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evilDagmar:

definitely time for a smoke before I just call them up and start screaming into the phone

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Juski:

course you're allowed to go down there and start killing them. you're just not allowed to get away with it ;)

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[Jasper]:

hmm

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[Jasper]:

back Dagmar

[10:59:06]

[Jasper]:

but I have the same errors

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[Jasper]:

http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/depends1.txt Dagmar

[11:03:19]

Juski:

ugh I might've known this was Gentoo

[11:03:25]

[Jasper]:

:P

[11:03:40]

Juski:

you building ivtv from source or using an ebuild?

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[Jasper]:

ebuild

[11:04:01]

[Jasper]:

I can also do it from source

[11:04:08]

[Jasper]:

if you think that'll work

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evilDagmar:

firmware_class is still missing

[11:04:42]

evilDagmar:

It may or may not work with it built into the kernel.

[11:04:50]

evilDagmar:

The tuner card will definitely not work if it's not present anywhere

[11:05:00]

[Jasper]:

firmware_class

[11:05:07]

[Jasper]:

but when loading ivtv it does find firmware

[11:05:15]

Juski:

isn't that something to do with hotplug?

[11:05:30]

evilDagmar:

Yep

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evilDagmar:

It's also needed to load those two little firmware files

[11:05:56]

[Jasper]:

hmm

[11:05:58]

[Jasper]:

where can I find those..

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evilDagmar:

Either way, give modprobe ivtv a poke and see where the pieces land

[11:06:27]

evilDagmar:

They *should* be sitting in /lib/firmware, IIRC

[11:06:36]

[Jasper]:

hmm

[11:06:44]

[Jasper]:

prevent firmware from being built was enabled in the kernel

[11:06:44]

evilDagmar:

But either way see if you still get the errors about the modules it can't load

[11:06:50]

evilDagmar:

That's not the option

[11:07:04]

evilDagmar:

Not letting it _build_ firmware is fine

[11:07:22]

evilDagmar:

Looking now..

[11:10:28]

evilDagmar:

I *think* it's under Device Drivers->Generic Driver Options, third option down in the list.

[11:10:39]

evilDagmar:

You should be able to just enable it as a module and then `make modules_install`

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Juski:

damn thread hijaxx0r5

[11:12:08]

evilDagmar:

I *think* that enables the firmware_class module

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evilDagmar:

"Userspace firmware loading support"

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[Jasper]:

ah evilDagmar I had that IN kernel

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[Jasper]:

not as module before

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evilDagmar:

OKay, well, cross your fingers and we'll see it it works

[11:14:07]

evilDagmar:

s/it it/if it/;

[11:14:19]

evilDagmar:

LIke I said at least we should get differently-shaped pieces this time

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[Jasper]:

I did a make clean

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[Jasper]:

and the make && make modules_install

[11:14:36]

[Jasper]:

because it was in the kernel before

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[Jasper]:

so need to reboot after this

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evilDagmar:

In general, unless you know something is needed to *boot* the machine, you should just make it a module.

[11:17:32]

evilDagmar:

Extra modules never bother anything, and only take up a wee bit of disk space

[11:17:55]

evilDagmar:

*Not* having a module compiled when you suddenly need it later is a big pain in the neck

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[Jasper]:

hmm

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evilDagmar:

So what's happening when you modprobe ivtv now?

[11:19:16]

evilDagmar:

I'm hoping like crazy there's some progress

[11:19:22]

evilDagmar:

...even if it's just a little progress

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[Jasper]:

evilDagmar it's still making

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[Jasper]:

the kernel

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evilDagmar:

Oh. Heh

[11:19:52]

evilDagmar:

Feed the squirrels some meth

[11:20:09]

evilDagmar:

I thought Gentoo was supposed to be omgoptimized

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evilDagmar:

;)

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[Jasper]:

k it's rebooting :P

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Juski:

isn't it good that cpus are so fast now? otherwise we'd be like "see you next week Jasper".. heh

[11:24:47]

evilDagmar:

hehe

[11:25:10]

evilDagmar:

"You might as well email the support list because that recompile is going to take longer than the response time over SMTP"

[11:26:12]

[Jasper]:

hmm

[11:26:20]

[Jasper]:

I unmerged ivtv it's still loading

[11:26:25]

[Jasper]:

guess it didn't remove the ivtv.ko

[11:27:29]

ChristianB:

Sorry to barge in, but are any of you familiar with a utility which allows me to view which process blocks a given device or resource?

[11:27:42]

evilDagmar:

Zero idea

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evilDagmar:

lsof is as close as I know of that, and I don't know that it tells blocking status

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gardengnome:

ChristianB: fuser, lsof

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[Jasper]:

DAMNED!

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ChristianB:

Thanls

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[Jasper]:

failed to load evilDagmar

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ChristianB:

*Thanks

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evilDagmar:

[Jasper]: SURELY it is saying *something* different not

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evilDagmar:

s/not/now

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[Jasper]:

it does show in depends

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[Jasper]:

firmware_class

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[Jasper]:

but the rest is the same :(

[11:29:54]

[Jasper]:

let me shwo you

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[Jasper]:

http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/dmesgnew.txt

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[Jasper]:

look at the bottom

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evilDagmar:

We have differently shaped pieces

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evilDagmar:

In this respect, we're getting somewhere

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[Jasper]:

what is different then?

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evilDagmar:

"ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw"...

[11:31:56]

evilDagmar:

I know that seems _worse_, but it's _something_

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[Jasper]:

ivtv1: loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (262144 bytes)

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[Jasper]:

no

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[Jasper]:

look at the bottom evilDagmar

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[Jasper]:

that was after I removed the ivtv

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[Jasper]:

you need to look at the bottom ivtv loading

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[Jasper]:

not the upper

[11:32:35]

[Jasper]:

that was in my boot script...when I removed the ivtv stuff

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evilDagmar:

OKay... I begin to wonder if ther'es not something really really wrong with the module loader

[11:33:35]

evilDagmar:

Try `modprobe tveeprom tuner tda9887 cx25840 wm8775` and then rmmod ivtv and then modprobe it again

[11:35:12]

[Jasper]:

rmmod ivtv shows it does not exist in /proc/modules

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evilDagmar:

OKay, well, it can't hurt to try modprobing it again then

[11:36:01]

[Jasper]:

same errors

[11:36:14]

[Jasper]:

this is driving me crazy :P

[11:36:16]

gardengnome:

(i installed ivtv on ubuntu in 10 minutes. completely painless.)

[11:37:19]

[Jasper]:

evilDagmar I can try not to use the ebuild

[11:37:19]

evilDagmar:

I think maybe we should start beating some Gentoo devs

[11:37:22]

[Jasper]:

and build it all myself

[11:37:24]

Juski:

maybe the solution would be to build ivtv properly

[11:37:30]

Juski:

it's hardly rocket science

[11:37:35]

gardengnome:

Juski: right.

[11:37:38]

[Jasper]:

I'll do that now

[11:37:40]

evilDagmar:

When I search for "failed to load module tuner" I find that damn near everything is reports from Gentoo people

[11:37:43]

[Jasper]:

but I wonder if it will change anything

[11:37:51]

Juski:

then at least it'll get stuff for the current kernel source dead right

[11:37:55]

evilDagmar:

[Jasper]: Just do *one thing* first when you're building it

[11:38:02]

[Jasper]:

that is?

[11:38:06]

evilDagmar:

If ivtvctl is in /usr/local/bin, then you don't have to do anything

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[Jasper]:

nothing in there

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evilDagmar:

If it's in /usr/bin then you'll want to edit the first bit of ivtv-0.7.0/utils/Makefile and change PREFIX to /usr instead of /usr/local

[11:38:39]

[Jasper]:

k

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[Jasper]:

it's in the /usr/bin

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evilDagmar:

Just make sure /usr/src/linux points to wherever the kernel source for what you just built was

[11:39:15]

evilDagmar:

...and change that bit in the Makefile so those tools go into the right place in /usr instead of leaving you with two, possibly incompatible versions lying around

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evilDagmar:

other than that all you gotta do is `make && make install` in there

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[Jasper]:

it's doing that now

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[Jasper]:

evilDagmar what did you put in your modules.d/ivtv

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[Jasper]:

for options for ivtv

[11:43:32]

evilDagmar:

Nothing

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evilDagmar:

I run Slackware, and once it's actually *built* it all "just works" without any options or anything being added to it, which is why I'm beginning to think this is some weirdness with Gentoo breaking kmod somehow

[11:46:19]

Juski:

Gentoo is mostly nice but when it's a bitch it's a BITCH

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evilDagmar:

You didn't build the i2c stuff directly into the kernel did you?

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** Juski laughs. this is precisely where a little knowledge can be too much sometimes ;) **

[11:48:43]

yak:

does any one know what can cause this error during mythtv svn make on suse 10?

[11:48:47]

yak:

dialogbox.cpp:33: error: class QCheckBox has no member named setBackgroundOrigin

[11:48:49]

yak:

dialogbox.cpp:40: error: class QButtonGroup has no member named insert

[11:48:51]

yak:

dialogbox.cpp: In member function void DialogBox::AddButton(const QString&):

[11:48:53]

yak:

dialogbox.cpp:48: error: class QButtonGroup has no member named count

[11:48:55]

yak:

dialogbox.cpp:49: error: class QButtonGroup has no member named count

[11:48:57]

yak:

dialogbox.cpp:54: error: class QButtonGroup has no member named insert

[11:48:59]

yak:

dialogbox.cpp: In member function void DialogBox::buttonPressed(int):

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[Jasper]:

hmmm evilDagmar

[11:49:01]

yak:

dialogbox.cpp:61: error: class QButtonGroup has no member named find

[11:49:03]

yak:

make[2]: *** [dialogbox.o] Error 1

[11:49:05]

[Jasper]:

I get failed to load

[11:49:08]

[Jasper]:

when I build it myself

[11:49:13]

Juski:

does anyone know why too few people get killed for flooding?

[11:49:23]

[Jasper]:

can you plz use pastebin yak

[11:49:26]

yak:

<< i use kvirc with slow paste

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evilDagmar:

Does not matter.

[11:49:42]

evilDagmar:

Very few channels find *any* kind of paste-flooding acceptable

[11:49:44]

[Jasper]:

still same errors when I build it myself evilDagmar

[11:50:08]

evilDagmar:

[Jasper]: Im at a loss, man. It *should* be working.

[11:50:19]

[Jasper]:

i2c support is as module

[11:50:21]

evilDagmar:

The only thing I can figure is that there's something broken with the Gentoo module tools

[11:50:45]

[Jasper]:

damnit this is bad

[11:50:52]

Juski:

yak – have you got the qt dev libs?

[11:51:15]

[Jasper]:

any ideas left Juski ?

[11:51:30]

evilDagmar:

There was an old message it emitted about eeprom being loaded before tveeprom

[11:51:34]

evilDagmar:

I'm not sure if that applies here

[11:51:49]

evilDagmar:

I don't think eeprom.ko actually exists anymore anyway

[11:52:03]

Juski:

[Jasper]: I've lost track now. you building ivtv from source yourself now?

[11:52:09]

[Jasper]:

allready done Juski

[11:52:12]

[Jasper]:

it gives the same errors

[11:52:14]

Juski:

ah

[11:52:26]

Juski:

reinstall with a proper distro :-P

[11:52:33]

[Jasper]:

it is a proper distro :P

[11:52:40]

[Jasper]:

it's just the 64 bit stuff I think is messing me up

[11:52:46]

evilDagmar:

Very likely

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Juski:

gentoo keeps crossing me from time to time, and I keep finding myself saying "next time it fucks me about... it's going!"

[11:53:13]

Juski:

then I try another distro & find out it's just as evil but in different ways

[11:53:29]

[Jasper]:

I'm trying #gentoo-amd64 now...maybe someone knows ..

[11:53:29]

evilDagmar:

Maybe kick that whole /etc/modules.d directory out of the way, do a depmod and reboot

[11:54:28]

[Jasper]:

incredible...everything is working in 64 it

[11:54:28]

gardengnome:

but you *are* using the *correct* version of ivtv for your kernel, right?

[11:54:37]

[Jasper]:

what is the correct version of ivtv?

[11:54:39]

[Jasper]:

for my kernel?

[11:54:43]

Dagmar:

0.7.0

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[Jasper]:

then yes

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yak:

Juski: – yes, just checked I have QT devel libs

[11:55:26]

yak:

but ... just seen its version 4.0.1 – thats incompatible right?

[11:55:32]

Juski:

totally

[11:55:42]

Juski:

you need 3.x.x

[11:55:58]

yak:

ok ty – i'll look for a 3.x.x install

[11:56:30]

Juski:

mythtv will need qt4.x.x at some point, but not in the immediate future

[11:56:46]

Dagmar:

It will need to be de-satanized first

[11:57:05]

yak:

ok, ty, i managed to build the svn on an fc4 install on my lappy – just need to intall on the main box

[11:57:21]

yak:

i was hoping not to have to rebuild from scratch

[11:57:58]

Juski:

I've been thinking evil thoughts about the future of mythtv... I mean if so much would have to be re-written to support qt, why not just dump it? maybe that's too controversial. I dont really care what it uses so long as it _works_

[11:58:18]

lnx^:

why'd I be getting this error when compiling latest svn mythtv? ../../libs/libavcodec/libmythavcodec-0.19.so: undefined reference to `ff_cavs_find_frame_end'

[11:58:39]

Dagmar:

...because you're compiling svn head

[11:58:52]

Dagmar:

Juski: Let's use XAW

[11:59:37]

lnx^:

I am? what should I do instead

[11:59:50]

Dagmar:

Build 0.19-fixes or the 0.19 release tarball

[12:00:12]

lnx^:

right okay

[12:00:49]

lnx^:

what's the svn command for fetching the fixes?

[12:02:29]

Juski:

see svn.mythtv.org – 2nd para

[12:02:54]

evilDagmar:

How do I tie my shoes?

[12:03:14]

lnx^:

evilDagmar: please tell me too if you find out

[12:03:22]

lnx^:

ut thanks. there doesn't happen to be any .debs made of the 0.19-fixes release that would work in ubuntu?

[12:03:25]

lnx^:

but*

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gardengnome:

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Jasper:

hmm

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Jasper:

wireless rocks

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lnx^:

gardengnome: thanks a bunch

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gardengnome:

np

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[Jasper]:

gentoo 64 bit SUX!

[12:06:06]

[Jasper]:

my conclusion :P

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gardengnome:

lnx^: tell that to Hamstaman :)

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Hamstaman:

gardengnome: pssst! /me is inkognito ;-)

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lnx^:

Hamstaman: thanks mr. unknown

[12:07:38]

Hamstaman:

:-)

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evilDagmar:

lol

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gardengnome:

Hamstaman: well, you should have choosen a different hostname for your repo then :)

[12:08:24]

[Jasper]:

evilDagmar I got disconnected...but do you have any last ideas before I start format?

[12:08:44]

evilDagmar:

[Jasper]: Other than beating whoever did something naughty to the module loader, no

[12:12:52]

[Jasper]:

Juski there were some guys here running the dual processor of intels right?

[12:13:06]

Juski:

[Jasper]: prolly

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[Jasper]:

I forgot their names

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[Jasper]:

BAH BAH BAH

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[Jasper]:

back to 32 bit

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[Jasper]:

days of work gone..

[12:15:01]

[Jasper]:

down the drain :(

[12:15:33]

** Juski sings "Blame Gentoo" to the tune of "Blame Canada (from the South Park movie") **

[12:18:06]

Juski:

time to seek out & install Amarok methinks

[12:18:13]

[Jasper]:

<NthDegree> make IVTV SUID

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[Jasper]:

that's the very wise advice from gentoo-amd64

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gardengnome:

ivtv? suid? it's a fscking kernel module

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[Jasper]:

yea that's what I said

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[Jasper]:

<NthDegree> I get errors for god knows whati do with my system and everything even the stuff that has errors works

[12:22:42]

[Jasper]:

<[Jasper]> oh I see, and you are happy with that?

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Juski:

please wait while Amarok scans your music collection....

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** [Jasper] is looking at a debian installation cd **

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Juski:

umbongo!

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Juski:

hrm. printouts from dapper are WAY too blue tinted :-/

[12:27:05]

** Juski wonders if amarok has support for lircy stuff **

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Juski:

ROFL!

[12:29:26]

Juski:

quick way to get thru an album.. .tracks finish playing as soon as they start. oh dear oh dear

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** [Jasper] is looking at windows media center.. **

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[Jasper]:

:P

[12:31:13]

gardengnome:

Juski: i like the xine engine for amarok...

[12:31:24]

Juski:

that's it [Jasper] you just go fuck yourself :-P

[12:31:37]

gardengnome:

amarok-xine – xine engine for the amaroK audio player

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Juski:

just FYI.. no 64-bit MCE

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Juski:

gardengnome: I think I installed that

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[Jasper]:

hehe Juski

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Juski:

argghh this stupid add/remove menu item!! FOAD!!!

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[Jasper]:

lol juski this guy I'm talking with

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[Jasper]:

its incredible

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[Jasper]:

http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/wtf.txt

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Juski:

lol

[12:38:15]

[Jasper]:

lol juski and then a reaction from another guy

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[Jasper]:

<mpomme> NthDegree, apparently you wouldn't care too much about this, but you should be able to get rid of the oss error by editing /etc/conf.d/alsasound

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Juski:

the blind leading the clueless

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Juski:

this is screwed up.. just not working properly

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[Jasper]:

<[Jasper]> so you have no kernel modules?

[12:40:06]

[Jasper]:

<NthDegree> no modules are needed for my non-gaming system yes

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Juski:

hmm maybe I'm just missing mp3 playback libs

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[Jasper]:

Juski I can leave the partition table as it is right

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[Jasper]:

no need to like format it ?

[12:44:02]

Juski:

yes

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[Jasper]:

as in windows?

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ChristianB:

If I get sound output when doing arecord -f cd | aplay -f cd, is it then an indication that my sound will work under mythtv?

[12:44:34]

Juski:

[Jasper]: if you have nothing to lose, just flatten it all anyway

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[Jasper]:

you mean make new paritions?

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Juski:

you can build your own kernel & stuff & you have to ask?

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gardengnome:

just format stuff ;) and get backups of important things befor

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gardengnome:

before*

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** Juski bangs the desk. **

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Juski:

fucking stupid gnome menus

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[Jasper]:

I was just wondering what you meant with flatten it :P

[12:48:51]

[Jasper]:

but it's allright

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Juski:

argghh now libxine-extracodecs won't install

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[Jasper]:

damnittttttt

[12:53:09]

[Jasper]:

I forgot

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[Jasper]:

there's no cable connected

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Juski:

hahahaha changed from the US repos and suddenly it's fine

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Juski:

and mp3 playback now works. god I'm such a law-breaker

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Juski:

oooo baby. the music sounds better with

[12:56:54]

Juski:

linux :)

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[Jasper]:

omg..

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[Jasper]:

8)

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** gardengnome listens to the basshunter.se stuff again **

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Juski:

bass in mp3s suddenly doesn't sound like shite like it does in wondoze

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Juski:

one thing I'd really like to work on is an auto-beat-mixing audio player

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Juski:

oo I have a question about bookmarks in myth.. not tried it yet but... if you set a bookmark on one frontend, when you go to play the file on another frontend will it use the same bookmark?

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[Jasper]:

hmm stage tarbal downloading..

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[Jasper]:

hopefully I won't have the same problems with the 32 bit arch

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** Juski looks for an ubuntu deb of projectM **

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Zelan:

is there a limit to the # of videos that mythvideo can deal with?

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Juski:

not in theory but there's a practical limit due to the amount of queries the db will have to deal with

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Zelan:

that would probably be several thousand right?

[13:22:29]

Juski:

yup

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Juski:

people indeed have thousands of videos – which is why mythvideo is being rejigged

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gardengnome:

maybe you could optimize stuff like your mysql db setup, though

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Zelan:

ok, i only have about 1100, but I don;t see them all in the media list

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Juski:

if any have consecutive names you might not see them

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Juski:

check your filetypes in 'media setup' for mythvideo too

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Zelan:

they are all .avi

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Juski:

check the 'browsable' flag then.. and see if you have filtering set

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Zelan:

by consecutive you meanl: video01.avi, video02.avi and so on?

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Juski:

yup

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Zelan:

hrm

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Zelan:

i find it interesting that the database table for the metadata has the correct number of rows for my videos

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Juski:

when in the 'watch videos' list press M and check the filter options

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Juski:

some vids might not be set to 'browsable'

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Zelan:

ok

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Juski:

fucking hell how many options does alsamixer have for the sblive PoS card?

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Juski:

millions of inputs & stuff

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Juski:

time to get me some last.fm

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gardengnome:

Juski: alsamixer -V [all|input|somethingelsei'veforgottenaboutnow]

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Juski:

heheh no – alsamixer is something I always use the gui tool for

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gardengnome:

i don't. i'm lazy. :)

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Juski:

I'm lazy – hence the gui tool

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Juski:

hate terminal menus

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Juski:

last.fm should have a dB meter, so people can see how loud you play tracks :-P

[13:41:08]

Juski:

sod the 'star' rating system

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Juski:

ffs if I'm listening to Scissor Sisters wtf would I wanna listen to lame depressing fuckwits Coldplay for? stupid

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evilDagmar:

Well, that sucks large. Definitely got to be the mainboard or the CPU

[14:01:11]

evilDagmar:

Time to go trawling Pricewatch for a barebones

[14:02:58]

evilDagmar:

What I *loathe* is trying to buy stuff from people like this: http://nashville.craigslist.org/sys/190184139.html

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evilDagmar:

"It runs at 56k and has a 512Mb hard drive"

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gardengnome:

muha :)

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evilDagmar:

How low do P4's go anyway?

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scopeuk:

1.2 gig is it on the old socket

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scopeuk:

p4 now spans 3 or 4 sockets iirc

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evilDagmar:

Bleh. I'd rather not drop the CPU speed since I'm replacing a Pro1800+

[14:05:31]

evilDagmar:

I'll be kinda irked if I have to dig out my tools for re-branding Dell BIOS anyway

[14:05:34]

Juski:

lol. amarok can fetch lyrics too!

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evilDagmar:

Juski: SHHH! The RIAA will hear!

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scopeuk:

then they'll kill it and every one thats ever provided lyrics

[14:06:22]

evilDagmar:

Yep

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Juski:

pah all they do is equalise vinyl records funny

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scopeuk:

hell theyed have any one thats ever lent someone else a cd or tape thrown in guantanamo

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evilDagmar:

...and SUE people

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Juski:

they're already starting to do that anyway

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Juski:

what next? copyrighting words?

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Juski:

oops that already happens

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evilDagmar:

If they can get it past the Senate, you betcha

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Juski:

Windows.. that fucking sucks doesn't it (tm)

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Juski:

wikipedia entry searches too. damn simple, but really nifty

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scopeuk:

hell there is a patent on scroll bars

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scopeuk:

and on a progres meter on a download program

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scopeuk:

a random company has a patent on using an analog device to control anythign on a screen

[14:09:39]

** Juski is bringing out a patent on respiration **

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Juski:

you all owe me!

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scopeuk:

only if you beat me to it

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scopeuk:

or my patent on carbon based life forms

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scopeuk:

god ows me big time

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scopeuk:

;-)

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evilDagmar:

Has the S3 Unichrome support stabilized yet or is that still a crap shoot?

[14:11:00]

Juski:

hmm I need bigger speakers in here. or a sub

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scopeuk:

subs always a good option

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Juski:

100hz just aint low enough

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scopeuk:

mine gets down to somewhere betwen 25 and 33 hz

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Juski:

downstairs it's a different matter of course

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scopeuk:

my ears arnt good enough to pickup when the test file dies (i have a sine wave where the frequency drops)

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Juski:

you don't HEAR bass, silly

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scopeuk:

no you feal it

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gardengnome:

well, actually you feel it.

[14:13:52]

Juski:

it's sposed to knock the air out of your lungs on beats :-P

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scopeuk:

thats a great feeling ebign stood 4 – 6 feet from a cupple Kw of somplification playign a base guitar

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scopeuk:

amplification*

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Juski:

for real bass, see here: http://www.phazon.com/

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evilDagmar:

I'm a little concerned i'm seeing companies selling a 64-bit board and CPU and 256Mb of RAM for under $120

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scopeuk:

and?

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Juski:

oo maybe my tidgy bonus from work could buy me something nice then

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Juski:

or maybe I'll have to spend it on a new set of tyres

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scopeuk:

damn its all in god damn flash

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Juski:

sankey's soap in manchester has one. took a friend of mine there the 2nd time I went. He said "jees this bass is nice". then the bass came in

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scopeuk:

lol

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evilDagmar:

Juski: I suppose it could be worse

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Juski:

the look on his face will stay with me til the day I die

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evilDagmar:

I had to break down a salesman at Cambridge Soundworks at some mall in SF after he demo'd their "high end" system for us

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Juski:

parp, fart.. oops now it's broken

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evilDagmar:

The guy who was with me was polite about it, and speculated something might be wrong with the acoustics in the room. I just said flat out it sounds like shit.

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evilDagmar:

Never demo a bad sound system of a _concert performance_ to someone who spent four years sitting on a stage playing a concert instrument

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Juski:

I liked a Bose system the 1st time I heard it, but it just sounded so unnatural

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evilDagmar:

"How do you know what it's supposed to sound liek that close up?"

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scopeuk:

never demo it to the tech's whoe spent upwards for 6 years sat listening to concert performances

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Juski:

the presents on my HT amp are stupidly ridiculous

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Juski:

s/presents/presets

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Juski:

'disco' ffs

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evilDagmar:

scopeuk: This was a whole 54-piece ensemble. I used to play both trombone, baritone, and tuba/sousaphone

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Juski:

if I ever hear slapback echoes like that in a disco I'm out the door baby

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scopeuk:

evilDagmar nice

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evilDagmar:

Hell, I was used to sitting about where the camera was

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scopeuk:

normaly somethign that sounds a little less classy that i end up teching

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Juski:

I've yet to experience live classical music but I'm looking forward to it

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scopeuk:

live clasical has a sound quality well beyond what a recording will ever capture

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scopeuk:

and the day they go over to all digital amplification is the day i say fuck it and give up on live music

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Juski:

digital is just so.. convenient

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Juski:

not much 'quality' about it

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evilDagmar:

scopeuk: There were serious gaps in the audio coverage. I'd recorded the band I was a part of several times and got better results than what I was demo'd

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gardengnome:

i went to a manowar concert once, they brought a whole fscking orchestra. and you couldn't hear them :/

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scopeuk:

its just so... wrong to mess up a perfectly good analog wave form witha digital aproximation

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evilDagmar:

The tubas sounded like those fiberglass jobbies some kids march with. Weak low end and watery, and they were clearly brass.

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evilDagmar:

The oboe sounded like it had cotton stuffed in it

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evilDagmar:

I was like "who in their right mind would think it sounds like this?"

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Juski:

bollocks. apt-get dist-upgrade has failed

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scopeuk:

evilDagmar i know how nasty sound systems can sound jsut due to bad wiring

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Juski:

heh. a club where I once worked had the subs wired in antiphase

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scopeuk:

you can take a fantastic amp but if the main feed to it is throug ha nasty unshielded cable its sound weak

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evilDagmar:

Eek!

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scopeuk:

shudder

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evilDagmar:

The clubbers must have had some pretty good drugs not to notice that

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Juski:

I turned up to do a disco once where all the gear had been set up before hand... the speakers on the stage were facing the back wall :-/

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Juski:

evilDagmar: the bass was erm.. lacking til I put it right

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scopeuk:

Juski thats sometiems done for the performaers

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yak:

any idea what i am missing to cause this error ? I've checked x11 devel packages are installed...

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scopeuk:

i have a friends who is obsed with fold back

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evilDagmar:

I would have been more worried about people noticing that the bass just "went away" if they took two steps to the right

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scopeuk:

yak the error whould be nice

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yak:

.. /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.0.2/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lXmu

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yak:

sorry started with a /

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Juski:

scopeuk: but the echo from the back wall was horrendous! just needed to toe them in a bit – problem solved. my roadie was astounded

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yak:

confused me :(

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scopeuk:

yak no probs

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scopeuk:

hapens to all of us

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scopeuk:

Juski ive been there

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scopeuk:

we drvie about 1.5 k forwards and 300 backwards at the gigs we do

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scopeuk:

echo can be evil

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Juski:

I really miss fucking about with sound equipt sometimes

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scopeuk:

i lvoe it

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scopeuk:

love*

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evilDagmar:

I dont'.

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scopeuk:

evilDagmar its personal taste

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evilDagmar:

Fuckign subs usually weighed more than I do

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Juski:

oh I don't miss carrying it!

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scopeuk:

i liek screweing roudn with video gear too

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scopeuk:

Juski have to agrea there

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evilDagmar:

I got *thrown* by one when a dolly got off balance

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scopeuk:

out rig is "portable"

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evilDagmar:

The handle hooked me under the ribcage and tossed me like a sack of flour

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scopeuk:

apparently the fact it takes 3 of us 30 minutes to move it 100m doesent matter

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scopeuk:

evilDagmar it whould

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gardengnome:

yak: you need to install the correspding development package, me thinks.

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yak:

for what gardengnome ?

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** Juski cuddles umbongo for a bit & restarts the apt-get dist-upgrade **

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gardengnome:

yak: xmu.

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yak:

am i right in saying xmu is part of the x11 package?

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scopeuk:

Juski id have gone for pattign it o nthe head and comforting it but you know eachto there own

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Juski:

so far I've seen that reinstalling would be by far the quickest way to go

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Rule:

Hello all. I'm installing a new DVB backend. The Channel Scanner keep skipping channels that are encrypted, even though I have unchecked FTA only... any ideas ?

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Juski:

scopeuk: one of my workmates runs a reggae soundsystem :-O I worked with his mid-bass cabs last year and they were full & fat sounding – very nice. so what the whole rig is like I'd like to know :)

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Juski:

Rule: dunno. no big deal if you dont have a hardware CAM anyway

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Darthy:

when starting mythbackend i get: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.19.so.0: undefined symbol: DELAY_SECOND

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Darthy:

whats wrong with my setup?

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Rule:

Juski: well I have one :/

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scopeuk:

Juski nice

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Juski:

Rule: try 0.19-fixes

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Rule:

Juski: am running that

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Juski:

scopeuk: he has 4 18" dual driver scoop bassbins

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Rule:

it used to work in the past ... darn

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scopeuk:

Juski nice

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Juski:

Rule: stuff still needs to be backported into 0.19-fixes I think. you could try svn head...

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Juski:

Rule: or you could try importing a channels.conf file

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Rule:

argh but svn head doesn't scan any channels on my setup

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Rule:

yeah no EIT with channels.conf because then it won't know the correct IDs

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Juski:

Rule: there's a workaround for that

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Juski:

I'll dig it out

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Rule:

oc

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Rule:

ic

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Juski:

Rule: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . hannels+conf

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Juski:

so scanning is still fuxx0r3d for some people?

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** Juski buries his head in his hands **

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Rule:

well it'd have to be a VERY recent svn commit that fixed mine... not easy to test those on the system here

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Rule:

I could probably test a current svn...

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Rule:

if that would be helpful

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Juski:

I'm gonna test svn later today

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Juski:

what dvb card do you have btw?

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Rule:

I prefer not to use channels.conf stuff

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Rule:

too bad it used to work... regressions are never fun

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Rule:

C2100

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Juski:

yeah I'd prefer not to have to use dvbscan & mess around with the db just to add a new channel but I did

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Rule:

it detects the channels fine now in -fixes... just skips the encrypted ones

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Rule:

I would have thought it honours the FTA flag

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Juski:

yeh well maybe the scanner isn't checking

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Rule:

that would be a relative easy bug to solve then

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Juski:

expect more headaches when the dvb api changes

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Rule:

anyway, can the scanner pick up all multiplexes from the main 'config' frequency ?

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Juski:

not sure

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Rule:

that part never worked tbh

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Juski:

should be able to I'd have thought

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scopeuk:

has the modification been made yet that alows ean entire mux to be captured? (in latest svn)

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Juski:

depends wholly on whether the broadcaster obeys the standard or not

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Juski:

scopeuk: dunno. I'll tell you later :)

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Rule:

scopeuk: that would have been nice :P I'd run svn just for that

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scopeuk:

okies

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Rule:

scopeuk: I haven't seen any commits for it

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** scopeuk waves good bye to every ones storages capacity **

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Rule:

Juski: well it seems the settopbox can do it :)

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** Juski says hello to a raft of users list emails because some tuner cards can't handle it **

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Rule:

scopeuk: nah, you could filter out the PIDs you want I would think... not save the mux as such...

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Juski:

"oh no need to optimise the driver's bus accesses – they'll only be sending one stream across the bus..."

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scopeuk:

Rule i dont pretend to nderstand it

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scopeuk:

understand*

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Juski:

I _think_ most cards (budget ones) just send the whole stream over the bus, then the driver does the PID filtering

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janneg:

scopeuk: no, the patch in trac is not acceptable

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scopeuk:

on the plus side my local tv transmitter has been upgraded over the last week i can only presume to boost the digital capacity

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Rule:

it seems the US users don't have that many channels per mux... I suppose it is hampering the development :P

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scopeuk:

janneg fair enough

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Rule:

Juski: yer

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Rule:

Juski: and ttpci budget_patch driver one :)

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Juski:

backatchya, stupid FF card owners :-P

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janneg:

juski: heh

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Rule:

and USB1.1 dvb owners :)

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difeta:

hi all. I'm trying to transcode some of my previousally recoded programs using the mythfrontend ui. I choose "Begin Transcoding" but nother ever happens on the system. Any ideas on how to get this running? I'm running dapper drake with mythtv 0.19

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Rule:

anyone know how the channel scanner deals with the 'Auto' setting for the modulation field ? pass auto to the driver ?

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gardengnome:

difeta: you'll need to setup your transcoding profiles

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Rule:

it also doesn't work here

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Juski:

Rule: depends on the driver. some are 'broken'

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Rule:

ugh

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scopeuk:

isent that kinda of whats holding myth back from its potential rearly our outside dependancies

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scopeuk:

drivers for capture adn gfx cards

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Juski:

definitely

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Juski:

and xmltv

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scopeuk:

suport for on the gfx decoding on medial

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Juski:

and lirc. oh yes definitely lirc

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scopeuk:

and god help the world xmltv is evil

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scopeuk:

no experience with lirc

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Juski:

there's a wiki entry for xmltv in the uk now ;)

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Rule:

death to lirc.. long live input drivers :P

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scopeuk:

ive seen it

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Rule:

who cares about xmltv... grap eit

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Rule:

grab even

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Rule:

gah

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scopeuk:

Juski my problem with xmltv si that i have to path the uk script to make it work properly

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gardengnome:

anyone ever seen any documentation for these userjos?

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scopeuk:

Rule some of us have analog cards

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scopeuk:

gardengnome nope

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Darthy:

juski> is there a minimyth that supports protocol version 30 ?

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Juski:

fine if you want mythbackend to hog your cpu in 0.19-fxies :-/

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fusion_05:

Hi everyone...I know that the 'G' key brings up picture adjustments for recording...but it only changes the settings for an individual channel. how can i change it for all of them at a time?

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Juski:

Darthy: no idea. there are sometimes minimyth versions for svn head backends. better ask pablo in the forums

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Darthy:

alright.. thanx

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Rule:

ok I figured out the TFA thing... it's an interface bug imho

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Rule:

it seems the TFA flag is set per Video source

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Rule:

so in the main Channel editor screen you can't scan for non-FTA channels

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Plex:

Hello. I was following the snes9x configuration instructions on the wiki (chmod 4750 `which snes9x`) and not only will it not run full screen, it won't run at all. Any ideas on how to undo the 4750 command? Or do I need to somehow set permissions (on Fedora)? Thanks!

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Rule:

you need to define a transport in the DVB Video source then perform a scan

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Rule:

of that transport obviously

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Rule:

stupid

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Rule:

too bad the dvb radio patch hasn't made it into 0.19 and -fixes :(

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difeta:

gardengnome they are setup

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Juski:

Rule you can patch 0.19 for dvb radio IIRC

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Juski:

see the mailing list archives

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Juski:

or just wait a bit for 0.20

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Juski:

and NO I won't define 'a bit' :-P

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Juski:

gardengnome: what? no documentation for userjobs? oh you're not kidding. fuck

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evilDagmar:

hehehe

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gardengnome:

Juski: can't seem to find any, but there's prolly something on -commits.

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gardengnome:

or somewhere in the source, gonna check now...

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Juski:

I was trying to find a list of datatypes for the OSD stuff earlier so I could help a user edit his osd theme. damned if I could find one

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scopeuk:

Juski i mean its not like we use open source software so we dont have to reverse engineer stuff to find out how things work or anything

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Juski:

ffs come on man it's not that big an issue, but having to delve into the source for damn near everything isn't nice

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scopeuk:

its a pita

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Juski:

oops I exaggerated

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Juski:

well it's wiki week starting this monday :-P

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Juski:

if you know how to do summat that isn't already in the wiki – get it in there

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scopeuk:

i mean sure id rarther the devs spent time coding/debugging rarther than documenting but givign us a little bit of documentation to go wit ha new feature or function whould be nice

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scopeuk:

i know about 30 difernt ways of making it unbootable

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Juski:

it's the responsibility of the COMMUNITY to develop mythtv

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Juski:

whether that be helping other users out, documenting or whatever

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scopeuk:

yes but the comunity cant help much when eitehr they are none coders or novice programers and the details needed are in the code

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Juski:

some people are on the ball.. there's stuff in the wiki for svn head features already

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Juski:

needs fleshing out, admittedly but it's a start

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gardengnome:

Juski: contrib/myth_archive_job.pl – yay, source code!

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scopeuk:

if there is soemthing for us to take over and add too thats fine

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scopeuk:

its just when there is "nothing"

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Juski:

sometimes you just have to take the initiative

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Juski:

I wanted a patch to myth and I just went out & did it. I'm like that though

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Juski:

note that it was about the limit of my capacity to code though :-P

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scopeuk:

thats all well and good if you can code in the nessasery languages /at all

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Juski:

I couldn't

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Juski:

worked it all out with a bit (a lot actually) of help

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scopeuk:

soudns alsmot liek when im working with php

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scopeuk:

gardengnome http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Jobs

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scopeuk:

ts not alot but its a start with user jobs

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gardengnome:

scopeuk: thanks, you rock! i couldn't find that when i was searching there, i think. but i'm probably just stupid..

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scopeuk:

i jsut searched for user and it was the first topic

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Juski:

damn... Your search – mythgoatse – did not match any documents

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scopeuk:

lol

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gardengnome:

scopeuk: :/ thanks again

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scopeuk:

np

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fusion_05:

do you guys know of a way to globally adjust the hue/contrast/brightness instead of one channel at a time?

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Juski:

there is no way to do that

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Juski:

other than doing some sql mangling

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fusion_05:

dang. so to adjust the picture i have to do it with each individual channel?

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Juski:

yup

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Juski:

you could use the channel editor in mythweb to copy stuff across from each channel though

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scopeuk:

or copy the settings using a mysql editor such as php myadmin

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scopeuk:

mythweb is almsot certainly easier

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fusion_05:

channel editor, thats in myth-setup, right?

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scopeuk:

there is one in mythweb too

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Juski:

mythweb

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scopeuk:

ight be easier to use

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fusion_05:

ok, i'll take a crawl around.

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fusion_05:

thanks for the help

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Plex:

here's a simple linux question – when I run a binary's help file, the text often spans several screens. how can i scroll up so I can see all the command options? Thanks!

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Juski:

more

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Juski:

or less

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Juski:

pipe them

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Juski:

e.g. foocommand --help | less

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Plex:

ah ok

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Juski:

less lets you use pgup & pgdown

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Juski:

more just pages it

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Plex:

Juski: thanks! you've just answered one of my largest linux mysteries!

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Juski:

oh god help you :-P

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scopeuk:

Juski you promised youed be nice

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Juski:

mount /pub/beer

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Juski:

more beer

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scopeuk:

i have that dir on my system

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scopeuk:

and more beer returns mmmm

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Juski:

lol

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gardengnome:

scopeuk: he was nice?

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Juski:

hmm I have a 2L bottle of Magners I could start on

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scopeuk:

was thae sarcasm

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fusion_05:

i know this is a lame question...but what's the enter button in xine bound to? i can't navigate dvd menus

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Juski:

xine --lirc-keymap will reveal all

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Juski:

or something

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fusion_05:

ok lol thanks

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Juski:

maybe --keymap-lirc

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gardengnome:

maybe xine --help?

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Plex:

Juski: har har har.

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Plex:

Juski: but, yeah, you're right! I've got a long way to go!

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fusion_05:

let me get to the terminal here and i'll let you all know

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scopeuk:

Plex havent we all

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Plex:

scopeuk: indeed

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Juski:

damn no ice... can't have 2L of Magners without loads of ice :-/

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gardengnome:

Juski: make some? should only take a few hours. or buy some.

[15:52:17]

Juski:

you can't buy ice in the UK in shops AFAIK

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Juski:

put 2 trays in the freezer.. sorted

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Juski:

hey I could make snakebite :-P

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scopeuk:

Juski you can

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scopeuk:

tesco seel bags of it for 1

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Juski:

but how sad would that be, sitting here drinking snakebit in the house on my own. fucking hell

[15:54:20]

Juski:

scopeuk: I've never seen it up norf, so it must just be a thing for daaahn saaarf

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gardengnome:

!trout juski real words

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** MythLogBot slaps juski with a real words trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

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Juski:

lol

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scopeuk:

Juski im in notts

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scopeuk:

not massivly southern

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Juski:

maybe I've just never looked

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scopeuk:

normaly found in the freazer :-)

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Juski:

don't buy much frozen stuff

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Juski:

oo yeh. upgrading to dapper didn't break mythtv. w t f?

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gardengnome:

Juski: yay :)

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Juski:

I expected all kinds of headaches

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DrNickRiviera:

does mythtv not schedule recordings if one hasn't got a tuner card in the computer?

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Juski:

chinning hell! someone's only going ahead putting mythbackend on a router thingy (to use a USB tuner!!!!) :-O :-O

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Juski:

DrNickRiviera: why would it?

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Juski:

myth needs a video source of some sort

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** gardengnome snickers **

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Juski:

http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/HomePage

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gardengnome:

video source? ;)

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Juski:

a source of tv pictures & audio

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Juski:

smartass

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** gardengnome runs **

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DrNickRiviera:

yeah, just assumed that it would deal with that when it came to it, in other words schedule it and if there isn't a tuner present when it is supposed to be recorded just ignore it

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DrNickRiviera:

suppose it makes sense only to schedule when there is a source present

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Juski:

gardengnome: you wanna be careful. the UK police shoot people who look a bit foreign and run away from them in the head seven times

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Juski:

;)

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Juski:

think though.. mythtv on one of them NAS boxen.. oooo!

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gardengnome:

sounds painful. i'd like mythbackend on the dbox2, though :)

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Juski:

bwuhahahahaha

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yak:

still strugeling with this issue – any ideas pls?

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yak:

.. /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.0.2/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lXmu

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yak:

x11 devel package installed and a pointer to the correct location in ld config

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yak:

found a patch :)

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yak:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2107/suse.patch

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yak:

for anyone browsing the logs later

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gardengnome:

good thinking :)

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mertfloof:

After my last kernel upgrade, I've got weirdness with my sound devices. All mythtv output was extremely quiet. Checked levels on alsamixer, and everything looked good.

[17:02:55]

mertfloof:

Then I noticed if I use /dev/adsp instead of /dev/dsp, it works.

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scopeuk:

which version of kernal upgraded to which version of the kernal

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mertfloof:

But I can't seem to get everything to use that device.

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mertfloof:

2.6.17

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mertfloof:

FC4

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scopeuk:

have you tried symblinking /dev/dsp to it?

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mertfloof:

no I haven't. Is that legit? Will my system like that?

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scopeuk:

it was jsut a thought

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mertfloof:

I'll give it a shot

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scopeuk:

k

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mertfloof:

xine plays DVD's too quietly, but CD volume is right.

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mertfloof:

crazy

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mertfloof:

audio CD

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EnterUserName:

hi all

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EnterUserName:

I am trying to use TV-OUT with mythtv and i am able to get the X server running and the mythtv menu on my tv however when i try to watch tv it only appears in the monitor but not on the television set

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EnterUserName:

any ideas/

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scopeuk:

how have you moved myth to the tv

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Darthy:

i just updatet to the latest svn build and now i get "no lock" when im looking tv. whats wrong? i have dvb and compiles with --enable-dvb.

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Darthy:

compiled

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Darthy:

did the db change since my last version? i had mythtv installed via apt-get on debian.

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Juski:

try stopping mythbackend and run mythtv-setup – make sure everything is still right

[17:52:29]

Darthy:

i just looked into the log and found out that he cannot change channels anymore.

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janneg:

and then paste the backend log with -v channel,record,siparser on pastebin.ca

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Darthy:

when i try to switch channel theres something like: TVRec(2) Error: Failed to set channel to

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Darthy:

and whats funny too, is that the default channel is not my setup default.

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janneg:

have all of your channels channums?

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janneg:

Darthy: and please use only one irc channel at time for one problem

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Darthy:

ok

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Darthy:

all my channels have channums i think. when i look at them via mythweb all of them have

[18:02:03]

Darthy:

i relized that in the new version theres also dvb-radio supported.. could that be a prob with my old configuration.. since i have much dvb-streams i dont know what them are – they could be radio as well..

[18:02:16]

Darthy:

i disabled radio and ill try now..

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janneg:

Darthy: no, dvb-radio shouldn't be a problem

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janneg:

I need the backend log

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Darthy:

ok..mom

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Darthy:

ok.. here: http://pastebin.ca/117112

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Darthy:

would be nice if you take a look.

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gardengnome:

19:54 < janneg> Darthy: and please use only one irc channel at time for one problem

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gardengnome:

oops

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gardengnome:

just wanna say that i agree *grumble*

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netrix:

anyone know what type of tuner a pvr500 usually has?

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EnterUserName:

hi

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EnterUserName:

is anyone using tv out here with ati cards/

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gardengnome:

EnterUserName: ask a real question.

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EnterUserName:

ok

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EnterUserName:

sorry

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gardengnome:

:)

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EnterUserName:

I am trying to set up mythtv with my tv out and I am able to get the mythtv menu on my tvo ut

[18:15:12]

EnterUserName:

however when i try to watch tv it only works on my monitor

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gardengnome:

EnterUserName: you'll need to tell X/your driver that you want Xv support on the secondary head (tv-out), not your primary one

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EnterUserName:

ok i'll see if i can figure out how to do that.. the second question is that i want to try running 2 xservers one for mythtv and one for my monitor both showing at the same time.. do you a how to on this?

[18:17:19]

EnterUserName:

i am able to do it with different console windows

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gardengnome:

nope, sorry. i don't do ATI.

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EnterUserName:

ok thanx anyway.. thanx for the tvout question i'll be googling now :)

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gardengnome:

:)

[18:18:13]

gardengnome:

it's just some driver option, i think.

[18:18:29]

gardengnome:

(-> manual of your driver should be able to clue you)

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netrix:

i'm pretty sure my tuner is right now after fiddling with the module options for ivtv

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netrix:

but all my channels are off by one, not on the tuner but in the epg. anyone know why that might be?

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janneg:

Darthy: You're using dvb-s? The diseq code has changed and you may need to reconfigure the diseq parts. Sorry I can't help further

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Darthy:

janneg> i have made a full log pastebin.. check if it helps: http://pastebin.ca/117130

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Darthy:

the diseq codes changed?

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Darthy:

you mean i have to rescan all channels ?

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Juski:

netrix: wrong tuner option

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Juski:

see the mythtv troubleshooting docs

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janneg:

Darthy: you probably need to change the DiSEqC configuration

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janneg:

in the card setup

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netrix:

netrix: okay thats what I figured. i think you told me that yesterday. :)

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netrix:

lol.

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netrix:

that was ment for juski.

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netrix:

can the tuner be indentified visually on the card?

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Juski:

netrix: I meant try a different tuner option. there are a few to choose from

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Juski:

so the one you have now _works_ but the channel table is wrong.. which means it's not the right one :)

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netrix:

Juski: thats what I have been doing, but there are 69 in the current tuner.h. wondering if there was a better way to go about this.

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Darthy:

janneg > but i have no diseqc.. and it says nothing connected in the setup

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Darthy:

i heard that the errors in the log concerning disecq are to be ignored.. thats relies on a bad implementation of my dvb card-drivers

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Darthy:

i had these errors when i used the old mythtv too.

[18:36:59]

Darthy:

did they change much concerning dvb and stuff in the latest version?

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Darthy:

im using v4l.. i hope this is ok.

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gardengnome:

i think the DVB implementation got overhauled a bit, so yes, there were changes.

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janneg:

Darthy: I'm sure that following message is new: DiSEqCDevTree, Error: No root device tree node!

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AngryElf:

is it possible to drop the part of the database that contains all of a frontend's specific settings?

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Juski:

lol

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Darthy:

janneg > should i rescan channels?

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** gardengnome makes a note to trout him when he returns **

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gardengnome:

!trout AngryElf

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** MythLogBot slaps AngryElf with a trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

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Juski:

AngryElf: yes

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AngryElf:

yea yea

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gardengnome:

Juski: uh, how so?

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AngryElf:

is it just a particular table?

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Juski:

delete from settings where hostname="foo"; perhaps

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gardengnome:

Juski: err! that'll delete any backend settings for that host!

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AngryElf:

and if there's no backend running on that host it shouldn't matter

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Juski:

or change the frontend's hostname

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gardengnome:

probably. it'sn possible that mythfrontend won_'t repropagate that table, though, so you better keep a backup around. just in case. and please get back to us to tell us if it's worked :)

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Juski:

I did it for the s100 box I'm sure of it

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janneg:

Darthy: you can try but I doubt it will help. But I know not much about the dvb-s specific bits

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gardengnome:

Juski: oh, nice.

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Juski:

just don't get the hostname wrong or you could duck the backend royally

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doggkruse:

I'm having a problem compiling on a new debian box

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doggkruse:

I'ts been a while since I've done it on a new install

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doggkruse:

I it can't find -lXv

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doggkruse:

:/

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doggkruse:

any suggestions

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russellb:

install libxv-dev, or whatever the development package is called on your distro

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doggkruse:

thanks

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doggkruse:

that did it

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doggkruse:

what about -lXxf86vm?

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doggkruse:

nm I got it

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doggkruse:

thanks

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AngryElf:

doggkruse, what distro?

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doggkruse:

debian

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doggkruse:

just don't have all the -dev packages installed yet

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gardengnome:

doggkruse: add marillat's repo to your sources.list and do an apt-get build-dep mythtv. the deb-src entry should suffice.

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doggkruse:

:/

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doggkruse:

I want to do svn

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AngryElf:

on ubuntu I need libxv-dev libxxf86vm-dev libqt3-mt-dev libqt3-mt-mysql qt3-dev-tools from a base install to compile myth

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gardengnome:

so? the dependencies are about the same.

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doggkruse:

thanks

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gardengnome:

:)

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doggkruse:

I have all but the first two

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AngryElf:

doggkruse, my 2 cents

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doggkruse:

:) thanks

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Darthy:

janneg > thanx for your info on tat diseqc.. i found the missing setting. now the backend works with much faster switching times.

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Darthy:

but i have another problem. i use the svn minimyth and exiting from looking tv gives me a black screen instead of the mythfrontend. any ideas?

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Darthy:

juski> didnt you use minimyth as well?

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** gardengnome wonders if the $nick> syntax screws up highlights **

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Juski:

Darthy: I do

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Juski:

but then I only ever use livetv to test my tuners

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Juski:

mmmmm Magners (schloop) :)

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Juski:

time to check out svn head. oh yay

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enterusername:

hi all

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janneg:

gardengnome: it does not

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doggkruse:

:/

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enterusername:

Does anyone know why mythtv would crash X server using ati using a Caught Signal 19?

[19:52:06]

doggkruse:

I just compiled myth and it can't find libmythtv-0.19.so.0:

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Juski:

yes. buy a nvidia card instead :-P

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doggkruse:

do I need to edit the library path or something?

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enterusername:

lol

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enterusername:

juski :( Bah im poor

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Juski:

woo mytharchive is now in the plugins svn proper

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Juski:

enterusername: running dual desktop on ATI.. maybe one desktop surface isn't accelerated.. dunno

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Juski:

start the compile!

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gardengnome:

doggkruse: yep, /etc/ld.so.conf add /usr/local/lib and run ldconfig

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gardengnome:

?

[20:10:55]

Juski:

part of qt I think

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gardengnome:

heh

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Juski:

maybe in the set that trout is a part of

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john:

damn

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john:

erm, wrong channel :P

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john:

but, I was reading the log from here.. and I realized I missed who wants to be a superhero this week

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gardengnome:

no, i think it's the right one ;)

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john:

I might have a question eventually. I'm still hacking away at ivtv

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john:

dont' suppose anyone's had luck with ivtv 0.7 stable and a pvr-350?

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Juski:

john: I imagine you might have luck if you're running on the right kernel for that ver of ivtv

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The-FoX:

hello

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Juski:

hey The-FoX man

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mos__:

john, yes i have

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john:

I've got the device to show up in /dev/v4l, but I think I'm getting some odd i2c bugs

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mos__:

they dont tell you this but they use the internal tveeprom now which can be kinda annoying if you forget that and accidentally mv tveeprom.ko

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mos__:

john, pastebin the relevent section of dmesg

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john:

it's 2 lines, repeated constantly

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john:

i2c_adapter i2c-0: master-xfer[1] R, addr=0x40, len=2 .. alternates between R and W

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mos__:

john, i need everything from the ivtv: ==================== START INIT IVTV ====================

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mos__:

to: ivtv: ==================== END INIT IVTV ====================

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john:

ah, I'll look for that, one sec

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mos__:

and please put it on a pastebin, its quite large

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mos__:

john, also give me the output of uname -r

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gardengnome:

metadata.o: You don't seem to have any tracks. That's ok with me if it's ok with you.

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gardengnome:

^^ i just love this message :)

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john:

ughh, I must have i2c in debug mode

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john:

it's filling my messages log

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mos__:

john, did you compile that kernel?

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john:

I did

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john:

2.6.17

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mos__:

john, i think you misconfigured that

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john:

I think so too.. going to try again, probably

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Juski:

don't build i2c stuff or v4l things into the kernel folks :)

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john:

I thought I put them in as modules

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john:

it was a late night after a long day of work

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mos__:

john, i could give you my config but its not going to be optomized and it uses the -ck1 patch

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john:

let me try once more, see what happens.. the kernel builds pretty fast

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Jasper:

WTF Juski

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mos__:

john, okay, if you want it just send me a highlight

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Jasper:

32 bit linux giving me the same goddamn error for ivtv

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Jasper:

!

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mos__:

Jasper, error?

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Juski:

oh that sucks

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Juski:

Jasper: must be your kernel buildy

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Juski:

time for some vanilla linux :)

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Jasper:

my kernel buildy?

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Jasper:

what do you mean?

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mos__:

Jasper, what is the error?

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Jasper:

this is driving me insane

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Jasper:

mos__ it can't load other modules

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Jasper:

the ivtv module

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mos__:

that sounds like you didnt enable autoload modules

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mos__:

in your config

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mos__:

of the kernel

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** Juski slaps his forehead **

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Juski:

so bloody obvious now

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john:

heh.. yep, I2C core debugging messages were on

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john:

along with algorithm, bus, and chip debugging messages

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Jasper:

mos__ ?

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mos__:

john, bad news there

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Jasper:

I didn't enable autoload modules?

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john:

it was spammy

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mos__:

Jasper, in the kernel config there is an option for autload modules, it allows modules to load other modules

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Jasper:

where is that mos__ ?

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mos__:

hold on ill look it up

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john:

in menu config, it's in loadable module support/automatic kernel module loading

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john:

not sure what the text based name is

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mos__:

symbol is KMOD

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mos__:

Location: │

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mos__:

│ -> Loadable module support │

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mos__:

│ -> Enable loadable module support (MODULES [=y]) │

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mos__:

well that didnt copy as nice as I had hoped...

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Jasper:

you think that is the problem?

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Juski:

damn amarok & visuals. I've got stuff installed but it's not playing nice

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Jasper:

* Juski slaps his forehead

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Jasper:

<Juski> so bloody obvious now

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doggkruse:

what is the best card / setup to use myth with direct tv?

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Jasper:

was that on the comment of mos__ Juski ?

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Juski:

Jasper: yup

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Jasper:

you think this will help my case?

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Juski:

yup

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Jasper:

cuz if it does...I go crazy

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Jasper:

that would mean I removed my 64 bit..and a few days of work for nothing :P

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Juski:

Jasper: shit happens fella

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mos__:

gah i seem to have been disconnected

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doggkruse:

is there a card I can get that will do HD with direct tv?

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GreyFoxx:

Any CC users around ?

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Jasper:

thank god Juski

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Jasper:

it failed to load

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Jasper:

:P

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medwards:

morning all.

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medwards:

well.

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Jasper:

maybe I should re-emerge it

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medwards:

sort of.

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mos__:

doggkruse, yes

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mos__:

pchdtv3000

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mos__:

i think is its name

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doggkruse:

and then use serial to control the sat box?

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mos__:

you will still need an IR blaster though to change the channel

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mos__:

or serial

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doggkruse:

mos__, thanks!

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Jasper:

NOOOOOOOOOOO

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mos__:

doggkruse, yep

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Jasper:

MOS I HATE YOU!@

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mos__:

Jasper, ?

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medwards:

Juski: You were right about recording profiles being my transcoding issue. However, I transcoded an hour long show and saved maybe 0.2GB. How far can I safely bring the quality slider?

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mos__:

was I right?

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Jasper:

you really ruined my day

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Jasper:

!

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mos__:

lol

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Jasper:

bah

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** Jasper is gonna throw his box out of the window **

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Juski:

medwards: how bad do you want the video to look? :-P

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mos__:

Jasper, why do that now that you know the problem

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medwards:

Well the damned thing is 2GB right now

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mos__:

2GB for an hour is good

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medwards:

I want it to be maybe.. 300–500MB and I don't really care how bad it looks.

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Jasper:

well mos__ I've been trying to fix this problem on my 64 bit installtaion for the last few dyas

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medwards:

It's because I want to burn it up and share it with my dad

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Jasper:

no-one could help me

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Jasper:

so like 4 hours ago I decided to format it

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mos__:

Jasper, lol

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Jasper:

and put 32 bit on

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doggkruse:

mos__, and how do I get the HD from the sat box to the pchd3000?

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doggkruse:

svideo?

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doggkruse:

or over the coax cable?

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Jasper:

so now I have a empty box with it working

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Juski:

I didn't think of that cos it's one of the 1st things I always enable.. lol

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Jasper:

while it could also work on 64 bit..

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mos__:

doggkruse, either one

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Jasper:

so that's pretty fucked up

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doggkruse:

excellent

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doggkruse:

thanks

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mos__:

Jasper, Haha!

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xris:

damn, the blue angels are loud

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** Jasper wonders if he should reformat his box...and install 64 bit again **

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medwards:

Can't I use Xvid or something?

[21:08:06]

mos__:

Jasper, no real point

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** Jasper feel sad... **

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Juski:

doggkruse: pcdhd3000 is just a QAM or OTA card, I thought... to capture over svideo would defeat the object

[21:08:58]

mos__:

Jasper, 64bit kinda is a scam, you gain no benefit really

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doggkruse:

Juski: I just read the FAQ

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doggkruse:

it says it can't do HDTV with direct tv

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doggkruse:

:/

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Juski:

yup

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mos__:

doggkruse, wow that sucks

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Jasper:

but still it feels good to say you run 64 bit mos__...

[21:09:56]

Juski:

you can't capture hdtv with a capture card from a box

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doggkruse:

Juski: :/

[21:10:23]

Juski:

blame the broadcasters :-P

[21:10:23]

mos__:

Jasper, felling good and practicality are two different things

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doggkruse:

but it does component out

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Juski:

you can't capture component

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doggkruse:

are there no cards that can record from compnent?

[21:10:37]

doggkruse:

:/

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doggkruse:

drats

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Juski:

the best you could hope for is either to switch to cable & use firewire, or plump for OTA HDTV

[21:11:26]

doggkruse:

so I'd do just as well with a pvr-150?

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doggkruse:

what a pita

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xris:

doggkruse: why would you want to record from component?

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doggkruse:

xris: I don't really

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Juski:

better, using svideo than the HD card actually, cos the analogue part of the HD card is software encoding only

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doggkruse:

but I want to record high def from a sat box

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Juski:

but you _can't_

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doggkruse:

:/

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doggkruse:

sad

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xris:

doggkruse: component is analog.. you'd have to re-encode it, and that'd take a HUGE cpu. heh.

[21:12:29]

doggkruse:

I hate sat

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xris:

doggkruse: 169time.com

[21:12:32]

doggkruse:

but its not mine

[21:12:58]

doggkruse:

xris....

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xris:

doggkruse: what's not yours?

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doggkruse:

reading

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doggkruse:

the house / sat box

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xris:

169time is to buy a new box

[21:13:26]

doggkruse:

I'm helping my uncle build a myth box

[21:13:50]

doggkruse:

ok, and how does that help?

[21:13:54]

doggkruse:

it has firewire out?

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xris:

yeah. expensive, though

[21:14:13]

doggkruse:

ah

[21:14:15]

doggkruse:

I get it

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doggkruse:

:D

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a1fa|64:

i am running 2.6.17, my chipset is nforce3, dma is enabled in bios, but when i try to enable it with hdparm -d 1 it tells me operation not permited.. wtf

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Juski:

sata prolly

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a1fa|64:

IDE disks

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a1fa|64:

you mean.. maybe my sata controler is fucking up

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mos__:

a1fa|64, are you running the command as root

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a1fa|64:

mos__: yes

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a1fa|64:

uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)

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a1fa|64:

HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted

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a1fa|64:

ide_core 111432 5 generic,ide_cd,amd74xx,ide_disk,ide_generic

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doggkruse:

xris: thanks

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doggkruse:

I'll look into ir

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doggkruse:

it

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a1fa|64:

"It seems that to enable DMA, the amd74xx, ide-cd and ide-generic need to be loaded in this order, or you'll loose DMA and end up with something like this in your system log:

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a1fa|64:

i'll try this

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a1fa|64:

NFORCE3–250: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0

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a1fa|64:

ah

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a1fa|64:

there is the fucking error

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a1fa|64:

NFORCE3–250: BIOS didn't set cable bits correctly. Enabling workaround.

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mos__:

nforce really sucks....

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** mos__ <3's his via chipset **

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a1fa|64:

lets see if the module order fixes the problem

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a1fa|64:

i hate the kernel hotplug

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The-FoX:

Someone got any idea hat that tells me: EITScanner: EIT scan ignoring sourceid..

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The-FoX:

Is it important? My problem: no it data is collected

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a1fa|64:

what does "support xbox hardware" feature mean?

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gardengnome:

a1fa|64: i think it does stuff like making the xbox LED blink or something, no sure

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a1fa|64:

ah

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a1fa|64:

maybe

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janneg:

The-FoX: your videosource configuration is wrong. use eit scanner is not activated

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The-FoX:

Whereshould it be activated? I activated it :(

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janneg:

mythtv-setup video source configuration

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The-FoX:

Xmltvgrabber is set to eitonly and useeit set to 1

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janneg:

hmm

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janneg:

ok then it must be something else

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The-FoX:

:(

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a1fa|64:

my gbit switch should be at my door steps any minute now

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a1fa|64:

Aug 5, 2006 8:14 AM On FedEx vehicle for delivery

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janneg:

"ignore source" in iirc mythtv-setup, general is activated. but it should not be a problem

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The-FoX:

Good night i'll try tomorrow

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b8zs:

What could a possible reason be for my mythfrontend not displaying the "Live-TV" menu

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b8zs:

when I start it up it goes directly to schedualed recordings

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podzap:

hello

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podzap:

i got my logitech harmony 525 remote working like a charm on my new myth box :-)

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tjcarter:

b8zs: there are a few possibilities. One is that Myth may not see your capture card properly

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tjcarter:

b8zs: also your menus can put Watch TV anywhere or nowhere.

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a1fa|64:

i am about to yenk that ide-generic module out

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a1fa|64:

i fucking hate the shit out of it

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a1fa|64:

is ide-generic needed if you have a chipset specific module?

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podzap:

a1fa|64: Profanity is the linguistic crutch of the inarticulate motherfucker.

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Rambo3:

whats that got to do with mythchess

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b8zs:

tjcarter, it was working yesterday, and now the entire home menu has vanished

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b8zs:

i just checked mythtv-setup, and it appears my tuner card is still setup correctly

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b8zs:

when I start mythfrontend, it will go to the schedualed recordings menu, and if I hit back on my remote (like I would normally do to get to live-tv) it just tries to exit

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podzap:

anybody else here using harmony remote controls?

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Rambo3:

and .lircrc for that buton is

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tjcarter:

b8zs: check out your menus to make sure they're intact

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tjcarter:

also, does escape take you back to home?

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b8zs:

well im using a remote

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b8zs:

so normally "back" would go up a menu

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tjcarter:

you'd think so, yes

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b8zs:

ya, yesterday it did

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b8zs:

i just checked my tuner card, A-OK

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tjcarter:

I'm just saying ...

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tjcarter:

You have like 50,000 variables here

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b8zs:

oh :(

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b8zs:

im not sure how to check that my menus are intact

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tjcarter:

they're xml files in something like /usr/share/mythtv

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Rambo3:

- /usr/local/share/myth is mine , there is good wiki entry on that one

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Rambo3:

just see <action> some command or submenu here </action>

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b8zs:

hmmmm

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b8zs:

for some reason it moved to Utilites/Setup -> TV Utilities -> Watch TV

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b8zs:

before it was on the root menu

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Rambo3:

use a leafpad or gedit or what ever and edit /usr/local/share/mythtv/mainmenu.xml and add a new entry

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b8zs:

cool, just now figuring out I can do that

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b8zs:

thanks

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b8zs:

gotta unplug my cable modem so I can watch TV now! ;)

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Rambo3:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Menu_the . . . opment_guide

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** xris hates it when the firewire port stops working **

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xris:

stupid firewire port

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a1fa|64:

i am pissed off

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a1fa|64:

damn it

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a1fa|64:

ocasional 900ms lag spikes on my lan

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john:

eh.. wth did I do to my modules

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john:

I'm getting an invalid module format on everything

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gardengnome:

john: did you upgrade mythtv?

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john:

no

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john:

I just rebuilt my kernel

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john:

it's not really a mythtv issue

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john:

sorry :)

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a1fa|64:

i am getting interferance on my wireless video camera

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a1fa|64:

bullshit

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claybo:

Hey guys, I've searched around a bit and can't quite find the answer to this. I just installed a copy of Mythdora on my machine, which has a GeForce 6200 and a PVR 350 (using GeForce video out). Setting playback to "standard XvMC" and deinterlace to "BOB" causes playback to be jittery and then freeze, which I can either escape out of or fast forward/rewind to let it play for another second or two before freezing a

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scottder:

Hey all, I am running FC4 and running MythTV quite happily, one issue I have is I get Seg Faults 50% of the time when entering MythMusic...anyone else having an issue?

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Chacabaou:

xris: ping

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netrix:

anyone here running mythtv in canada? can you tell me what your freq. table is set to in mythtv-setup

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Juski:

claybo: I think you should set mythfrontend to 'use pvr350 decoder' rather than try to use xvmc AFAIK

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Juski:

claybo: also – there should be no need to deinterlace since the pvr350 video output is interlaced

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Juski:

doh sorry

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scottder:

wonder if I should totally wipe the DB for MythMusic and start it fresh

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Juski:

claybo: misread your question. oops. I saw that on ubuntu = problem was with the xvmc wrapper

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claybo:

juski, that's all right!

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Chacabaou:

xris: Please see #1667.

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claybo:

For the record, I fixed the xvmc problem using the mythtv wiki.

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claybo:

Turn "sync to vblank" off on both options in the "X server XVideo settings" portion of nvidia-settings, and make sure OpenGL Vsync is enabled in playback settings.

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Juski:

oh lordy. not gonna be able to sleep for week after seeing this: http://www.terror-alert.co.uk/

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scottder:

hehehehe...now you too can have a coor code for how afraid you should be

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gardengnome:

mythvideo does nasty things to umlauts when it grabs video metadata using ofdb.pl.

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gardengnome:

*sigh*

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defaultro:

hi everyone

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gardengnome:

hi defaultro

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defaultro:

can C-band be recorded in myth?

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defaultro:

hi gardenhome

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defaultro:

look at this folks, is this true? is there any downside in using this? http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html

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