Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, August 3rd, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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gardengnome:

not sure :/

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gardengnome:

the help text at the bottom of the screen should list lots of variables...

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SarahEmm:

it does

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SarahEmm:

genre, splitartist, splitartist1, artist, alum, title

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gardengnome:

then that's right probably :)

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SarahEmm:

hrm

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SarahEmm:

okay..

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gardengnome:

you're looking for the splitartist or splitartist1 setting IIRC

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SarahEmm:

ahhh okay

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SarahEmm:

that makes sense

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SarahEmm:

i wonder what the difference is.. *reads*

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SarahEmm:

ahh splitartist is the first 4

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SarahEmm:

yay for reading code ;)

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SarahEmm:

thanks much! :)

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gardengnome:

no problem :)

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SarahEmm:

awesome, that did it :)

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gardengnome:

yay :)

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scott_:

can anyone give me advice on what to do with libmythavcodec-0.19.so undefined reference to XVMC_VLD_field_start ? (and some other XVMC entries)?? thank you

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Anduin:

scott_: Why did you have the XVMC VLD libs when building and not now?

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scott_:

Anduin: i dont really know what im doing, this is me compiling 0.19 from a fresh ubuntu install

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scott_:

i see the xvmc options in ./configure, but i havent used them, i just used enable-dvb and dvb-path

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scott_:

I've just realised that i didnt have libxvmc installed............. i assume that's the problem then? thanks for your help

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a1fa|64:

heelllooh

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a1fa|64:

# Title Count Last Recorded

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a1fa|64:

1 Family Guy 44 July 31 2006

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a1fa|64:

44 recordings of family guy

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a1fa|64:

do i qualify as an addict?

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scott_:

no that would just be a guy who knows good tv

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a1fa|64:

w00t

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a1fa|64:

well thank you scott_

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a1fa|64:

At revision 10669.

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scott_:

if only i could get my mythtv to compile I'd join you!

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a1fa|64:

whats wrong?

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a1fa|64:

what distro?

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Hoxzer:

;)

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a1fa|64:

what error?

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sha_ is now known as sha

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a1fa|64:

let us hook you up, neega!

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scott_:

im pretty sure it's cos i didnt have libxvmc installed

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scott_:

even though i didnt enable that in my configure :S

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scott_:

ubuntu

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a1fa|64:

ok

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scott_:

im running make again

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scott_:

oh

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scott_:

no

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scott_:

same error

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a1fa|64:

ok.. paste error to pastebin.ca

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a1fa|64:

let us look it up

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a1fa|64:

also paste your ./configure

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** a1fa|64 tunes to tribal trance... **

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scott_:

http://pastebin.ca/112613

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scott_:

that's my make error

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** a1fa|64 drinks his mineral water.. **

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scott_:

http://pastebin.ca/112614

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scott_:

that's my ./configure output

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a1fa|64:

ah dude

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a1fa|64:

do you have the -dev package?

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a1fa|64:

libxvmc-dev – X11 Video extension library (development headers)

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a1fa|64:

apt-get install libxvmc-dev

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scott_:

I do indeed

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a1fa|64:

ok

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a1fa|64:

want my list of dev packages?

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scott_:

sure, though i dont suppose a restart of X would help anythin? or a restart completely?

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a1fa|64:

nah

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a1fa|64:

no restart needed

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scott_:

didnt think so.. let's see your dev packages, are these all apt-getable from ubuntu dapper?

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Anduin:

scott_: With xvmc disabled it shouldn't be a dependency, I'd distclean, configure, and build again.

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scott_:

how do you distclean?

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Anduin:

scott_: make distclean in the main myth dir

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a1fa|64:

http://pastebin.ca/112623

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a1fa|64:

scott_: there you go

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a1fa|64:

all my dev packages that you may need for mythtv

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a1fa|64:

and some extra :)

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scott_:

ok ive distcleaned and am running make again while i get all those devs. thanks guys, i do love being led by the hand :P

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a1fa|64:

yaya

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a1fa|64:

you can also compile nvidias drivers with these

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scott_:

i just got them from apt-get nvidia-glx

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scott_:

are they old now?

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a1fa|64:

i dont use ubuntu

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a1fa|64:

i use debian

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a1fa|64:

you will want to get it from source

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a1fa|64:

i had a lot of problems with the binary

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scott_:

im just getting in to compiling things

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sigger:

any reason mythvideo wouldn't find videos in a subdir that is a symlink to an external USB hard drive?

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Anduin:

sigger: None.

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a1fa|64:

sigger: did you "reload"

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a1fa|64:

they need to be indexed

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a1fa|64:

afaik

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sigger:

reload = going to Video Manager? did that

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a1fa|64:

/dev/hda9 70G 55G 12G 83% /home

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a1fa|64:

i need a 500gb hd for sure

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sigger:

oooh, my front end mounts the backend's /myth using nfs. the symlink exists in the backend's fs. When the frontend tries to traverse the symlink and it doesn't find the usb drive (/mnt/USB) locally, it says no thanks. plausible?

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kormoc:

of course

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Anduin:

sigger: very

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kormoc:

a symlink is just a pointer, not a remapping

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sigger:

there we go. woud a hardlink solve that?

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kormoc:

yes, but uhh, if you ever change the file, you'll get two copys of it

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a1fa|64:

sigger: make sure you are making fully quallified simlinks

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Anduin:

sigger: No a hardlink would do nothing.

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kormoc:

a1fa|64, I don't think that will help, as the file the link points to isn't there

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a1fa|64:

yup

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kormoc:

Anduin, ooh? I thought it was a remapping?

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Anduin:

kormoc: Only works on the same fs

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kormoc:

Anduin, I thought a hardlink shared the same inodes

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kormoc:

fair nuff

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sigger:

then I guess I have to have nfs export the backend's USB drive and mount that on frontend so it exists there too.

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a1fa|64:

/dev/hdb1 40G 135M 38G 1% /mnt

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a1fa|64:

lol

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scott_:

oh god here we go haha.. it all went fine but when i run mythtv-setup it says cannot connect to X server

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scott_:

should i restart the server? I just installed all those deps

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kormoc:

you need X running to run mythtv-setup

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scott_:

it is running right now

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kormoc:

how are you tring to run the setup?

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kormoc:

via ssh?

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scott_:

im in ubuntu, just using gnome-terminal

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bRuZdEGO:

scott_ I would guess

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kormoc:

try typeing

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bRuZdEGO:

you made the same mistake as me yesterday

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kormoc:

DISPLAY=:0.0 mythtv-setup

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bRuZdEGO:

you need to run ./mythtv-setup

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bRuZdEGO:

from the same user you have logged into x with

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bRuZdEGO:

so, if you are in X and you have loaded up terminal

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bRuZdEGO:

and you have su -'d to root or something

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bRuZdEGO:

and then gone to run the setup it wont work

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kormoc:

bRuZdEGO, well, you can get around that, depending on how the distro setup the xauth settings, but it's a really good idea to check :)

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bRuZdEGO:

oh, I am sujre oyu can

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bRuZdEGO:

but why bother when you can just type "exit"

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bRuZdEGO:

and then ./mythtv-setup

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scott_:

ahh ok kormoc's advice was the only one that would work

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a1fa|64:

scott_: so you got it compiled

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scott_:

yes thank you :)

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scott_:

now i gotta set up mysql

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a1fa|64:

take her nice and easy

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scott_:

i'm gonna try, ill keep you posted hah

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scott_:

should i install server 4.1 or 5.0??

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a1fa|64:

4

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a1fa|64:

i dont know if the issue with 5 was resolved

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scott_:

thanks

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a1fa|64:

kormoc: you would know?

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kormoc:

on ubunutu? 4.1 would be good

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kormoc:

on other sane distros, 5 would be good

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a1fa|64:

i am switching to gbit network this saturday

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Kelerion:

that reminds me.. anyone ever done any fibre networking?

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a1fa|64:

fucking eh

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a1fa|64:

still same bug in mythweb

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jcsmith:

kelerion: just don't bend the fiber in really sharp angles and you'll be ok

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a1fa|64:

missing images

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a1fa|64:

Kelerion: i've done some

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a1fa|64:

don't look inside the wire

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a1fa|64:

there is a naked women

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Kelerion:

I got given a fibre switch a few weeks ago.. and I took it because I thought "oh! that'd be a nice thing to have for my myth setup".. but then realised I didn't know the first thing about it.. lol

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|rt|:

fiber is a bit expensive for home use

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|rt|:

gigabit copper is much cheaper

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a1fa|64:

Kelerion: you got money I see

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a1fa|64:

now you need fibre cards

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a1fa|64:

they are $60

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Kelerion:

was I reading right that fibre network cards are like $400 or something ridiculous?

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a1fa|64:

nah

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Kelerion:

ah

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a1fa|64:

you can find used for $60

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a1fa|64:

ebay

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a1fa|64:

but go sell that POS

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Kelerion:

well that's not too bad then

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a1fa|64:

and buy copper like |rt| said

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Kelerion:

why?

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a1fa|64:

gigabit copper is $5

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a1fa|64:

the switch is $30

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Kelerion:

but this looks like a really cool thing to have.. lol

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|rt|:

yeah probably get enough for the fiber switch to wire you're whole house network with gigabit

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a1fa|64:

you get same sppeds

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Kelerion:

same?

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a1fa|64:

the cables are expensive

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a1fa|64:

yes

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a1fa|64:

you get same speeds

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a1fa|64:

"gbit"

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Kelerion:

would have thought fibre would be faster

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a1fa|64:

no

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a1fa|64:

with fibre you can go longer

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a1fa|64:

with copper you can only go 100m or 300f

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a1fa|64:

with fibre you can go for miles

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|rt|:

could be less than 1gbit even...depends on the switch

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a1fa|64:

fibre is used for mid-range distances

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|rt|:

we had a couple fiber network extenders at work that were 100mbit

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Kelerion:

it could be 10/100 by the looks of it

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Kelerion:

well pfft..

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twodeko:

howdy all

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Kelerion:

scrap that idea then.. lol

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twodeko:

any idea how to watch a show im recording?

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a1fa|64:

lol

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|rt|:

ok bed time for me...l8r guys

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a1fa|64:

skins/default/img/spacer.gif is always missing

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Kelerion:

twodeko: go into the recordings screen

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a1fa|64:

mythweb is always using a wrong path

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Kelerion:

it's there on mine a1fa|64

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a1fa|64:

no

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a1fa|64:

the path

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a1fa|64:

its not in my www-root

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a1fa|64:

its in www-root/something

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a1fa|64:

and the skin is using a wrong path

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scott_:

hmm.. phpmyadmin isnt there so im havin trouble setting myself up in mysql

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scott_:

my username is just scott

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Kelerion:

ahh.. gotcha

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scott_:

how do I add myself and my password?

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a1fa|64:

mysql -u root -p

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a1fa|64:

mysqladmin*

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a1fa|64:

this spacerbug is pissing me off

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a1fa|64:

its always there

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twodeko:

Kelerion, alright... ill check

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scott_:

alfa|64 : that isnt working..

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twodeko:

Kelerion, i don't see it

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a1fa|64:

its only broken on default

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a1fa|64:

tho

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sigger:

fyi – adding my backend's USB drive cleared up the problem

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sigger:

thanks guys

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twodeko:

i can't seem to get to anything, i only have one tuner though

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twodeko:

i just want to see what it is taping

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a1fa|64:

mythweb is defuct

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a1fa|64:

in the new svn

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a1fa|64:

when you do canned searches

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a1fa|64:

it gives javascript errors

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snappingturtle:

scott, if mysqld is running, there should not be a default password. just type mysql --user=root mysql

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Kelerion:

a1fa|64: just do a: "ln -s /var/www/mythweb/skins /var/www/skins"

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Kelerion:

easy fix :)

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twodeko:

Kelerion, i can not access the recording

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Kelerion:

twodeko: which screen are you looking at?

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twodeko:

what do you mean, the backend and frontend are on this machine

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snappingturtle:

then at the prompt type create database mythconverg;

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Kelerion:

which mythtv screen or menu item are you on?

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a1fa|64:

22mb/s between two hard drives

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scott_:

snappingturtle: sorry to be annoying.. but i want to add myself as a user, when i try mysql as scott i get permission denied. i dont want to have to login as a different user each time

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a1fa|64:

something is fishy

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a1fa|64:

5mb/s between sata drive and ide

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snappingturtle:

then type grant all on mythconverg.* to scott;

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scott_:

ok i did that, but when i run mythtv-setup as scott im getting database not open errors

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Kelerion:

ok.. 4am.. bedtime... g'night all :)

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a1fa|64:

make sure you edit mythtv.conf

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a1fa|64:

and tell it what database to use and what u/p combo

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scott_:

i dont have a mythtv.conf........

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snappingturtle:

then type update user set password=PASSWORD('somepassword') where user='scott';

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snappingturtle:

then type flush privileges;

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scott_:

it said No database selected

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snappingturtle:

first make sure you can connect to the database as the user you want, then update myth to use it.

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scott_:

if getting to a mysql prompt means i have accessed the database, then i can only do that as root

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scott_:

if i type mysql as scott it says access denied for user scott @ localhost

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snappingturtle:

did you create the scott account as shown above? if so, then you can connect with mysql --user=scott --password=yourpassword mythconverg

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scott_:

it said earlier No database selected

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scott_:

when i tried to set a password

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scott_:

where do i type mythconverg

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snappingturtle:

at the mysql prompt type create database mythconverg;

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scott_:

database exists

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snappingturtle:

then grant yourself privs at the mysql prompt. you are best off just following the directions here: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php

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a1fa|64:

i cant enable DMA on my hard drives

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GreyFoxx:

I bent my wookie

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a1fa|64:

i shoved it up your ass

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snappingturtle:

are you using an 80pin connector?

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GreyFoxx:

Nice, letting your age shine through ?:)

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a1fa|64:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

a1fa|64: What error are you getting ?

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a1fa|64:

Operation Not Allowed

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GreyFoxx:

Sounds like your kernel doesn't have a driver for your IDE controller so it's falling back to BIOS calls only

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snappingturtle:

is it a well supported controller?

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a1fa|64:

nforce3

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GreyFoxx:

Only time I've ever seen that error when trying to enable DMA it was due to missing kernel support and I had to reecompile the kernel

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a1fa|64:

HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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snappingturtle:

what kernel version?

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a1fa|64:

amd74xx + AMD and nVidia IDE support

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a1fa|64:

is loaded in kernel

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GreyFoxx:

That doesn't sounds like the NF3 driver

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GreyFoxx:

It would likely be named so

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a1fa|64:

thats the output from modconf

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a1fa|64:

ide_core 112928 6 amd74xx,ide_cd,ide_disk,generic,ide_generic,via82cxxx

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a1fa|64:

maybe if i remove ide_generic

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** GreyFoxx tries to remember which machines at the office are using nforce3 boards **

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Ceralor:

Hiya, got a question about the database. All of the settings are set for my machine's name, but mythbackend is detecting mythfrontend connecting as 'localhost'

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Ceralor:

rather than the machine name

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GreyFoxx:

Ceralor: Did you set a hostname on the frontend machine>? It's probably set to "localhost" on the frontend

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Ceralor:

No, the machine's name itself in /etc/hostname is merztvbox, and that's what the settings in the DB are all for.

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GreyFoxx:

if you ssh into the frontend, and type "hostname" what does it return

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Ceralor:

It's the same freaking machine

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Ceralor:

It says exactly what I see beside "~# "

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Ceralor:

I understand machine names :/

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GreyFoxx:

Well, what does it say? Does it say something other thabn localhost I assume? Since it's common for users t come in here with the exact same problem

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Ceralor:

Here's the weird thing: if I start the backend in one terminal, and start the frontend in another, it works

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Ceralor:

No, it does not say localhost. THat's why I said it's not detecting it as my machine's name :/

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Ceralor:

But as I said, if I bring up two xterms in flux and run mythbackend in one and mythfrontend in the other, works fine

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GreyFoxx:

hehe that's fscked up :)

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GreyFoxx:

you can manualy force a hostname by putting it in the mysql.txt

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scott_:

ok guys thanks for your help.. im so close.. i got phpmyadmin up and running, and can confirm that my username and password are fine, and that i have all priviliges to mythconverg

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scott_:

but when i run mythtv-setup

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scott_:

im still getting unable to connect to database

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Ceralor:

Ah, I see

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scott_:

i notice that the mythconverg database is empty. should it be? I have only been able to access the first few screens of mythtv-setup so far, setting up localhost scott mypassword mysql

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a1fa|64:

GreyFoxx: i am going to download drivers

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a1fa|64:

http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/nforce/1.0 . . . 310-pkg1.run

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a1fa|64:

but these are only audio/ethernet drivers

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Ceralor:

GreyFoxx : TVRec(1) Error: Channel: '' was not found in the database.

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Ceralor:

But 'DefaultTVChannel' is set as 3 in the db

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a1fa|64:

USB and IDE hardware will work with standard Linux drivers. There is no win modem support.

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a1fa|64:

http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/nforce/1.0 . . . roblems.html

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a1fa|64:

fuck

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snappingturtle:

just drop in a good old promise controller. they're cheap.

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a1fa|64:

no

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a1fa|64:

i cant believe 2.6.15 doesnt support nfroce3

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a1fa|64:

nforce3 is like a fucking 3rd world country

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a1fa|64:

ahh fuck it

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a1fa|64:

i am going to rebuild my mythtv box with amd64 platform

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a1fa|64:

or not

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a1fa|64:

Author: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@g5.osdl.org >

[03:38:44]

a1fa|64:

Date: Mon Jan 2 19:21:10 2006 -0800

[03:38:44]

a1fa|64:

Linux v2.6.15

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a1fa|64:

[03:38:44]

a1fa|64:

Hey, it's fifteen years today since I bought the machine that got Linux

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a1fa|64:

started. January 2nd is a good date.

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a1fa|64:

gay

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twodeko:

haha

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twodeko:

my taping of a show was off by like 4 minutes

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twodeko:

sync it with ntpdate too

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twodeko:

but everyone is pissed cause there isn't an ending

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twodeko:

heh

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Hoxzer:

I just plaid red orchestra

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Hoxzer:

: it almost like cod

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Hoxzer:

but has tanks and is more realistic

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Hoxzer:

tanks are ok, but realism is littlebit too mutch

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nuonguy:

Hoxzer: are you playing this on linux?

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nuonguy:

Hoxzer: This is a ut2004 mod?

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RandomDude15:

whats the name of the table

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RandomDude15:

that holds the theme?

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RandomDude15:

?

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RandomDude15:

I need to change my theme. the one I have now is missing alot of buttons.

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RandomDude15:

dead channel

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Hoxzer:

Hi

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Hoxzer:

;)

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Hoxzer:

finally

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Hoxzer:

things just get messed up if my connection get cut off

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Hoxzer:

is there any good dual dvb-c records out for linux?

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Hoxzer:

*records = recorders

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Puh:

"dual dvb-c recorders"?

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Pete__:

Just got a bob-II remote, having trouble getting it to work

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Pete__:

anyone here got experiences with them?

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RandomDude15:

I need help. I need to change my theme using mysql.

[10:38:34]

RandomDude15:

because the one I have now is screwed up. It's missing alot of options.

[10:39:20]

RandomDude15:

anyone?

[10:40:14]

gardengnome:

RandomDude15: try mythfrontend --reset

[10:40:42]

RandomDude15:

It won't reset my recordings?

[10:40:44]

RandomDude15:

right?

[10:40:47]

RandomDude15:

ill be pissed if it does

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gardengnome:

read mythfrontend --help :)

[10:45:17]

RandomDude15:

tried it

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RandomDude15:

mainly only changed the appearanec

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RandomDude15:

*appearance

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tjcarter:

Pete: what's the interface?

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Kel-kippin:

hey juski

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Juski:

hey Kelerion

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Kelerion:

I couldn't make lugradio.. was so damn pissed off.. lol

[11:13:22]

Juski:

yeh well there's always next year :)

[11:13:29]

Kelerion:

so how was it?

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Juski:

went really really well actually

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Kelerion:

myth behave itself?

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Juski:

had to put up with some people whining about mysql, but once I made it clear I'm not a developer everyone was nice

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Kelerion:

ahh.. lol

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Juski:

myth behaved itself very well

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Kelerion:

what was wrong with mysql?

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Juski:

oh I dunno some people are just born with prejudices

[11:15:29]

Kelerion:

they wanted it to run on postgre or something?

[11:16:05]

Juski:

jono & the gents gave me a fair grilling in the LRL interview too which I'd kinda expected (and at the same time kinda didn't expect)

[11:16:34]

GreyFoxx:

Was that audio/video released the other day ?

[11:16:56]

Juski:

Kelerion: yeah postgre was mentioned. I argued the case for the db quite well to the one or 2 dissenters at the stand

[11:17:09]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: I heard it'd been put back til next monday

[11:17:32]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh. I wanna check it out :)

[11:17:38]

Kelerion:

I thought I'd seen somewhere that the db was being abstracted anyways... it's on the todo list as I recall

[11:17:57]

Juski:

Kelerion: yup

[11:18:03]

Kelerion:

did jono's "user interface" document get raised? I remember that came up ages ago..

[11:18:11]

** Juski laughs **

[11:18:29]

Juski:

http://juski.wordpress.com

[11:18:51]

GreyFoxx:

heh even if we get rid of mysql andf went with sqllite people would complain about "why not postgres? why not oracle, why not foxpro .. etc etc :)

[11:19:05]

GreyFoxx:

"why not plain test files"

[11:19:07]

GreyFoxx:

text

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Kelerion:

lol

[11:19:48]

GreyFoxx:

but, sqllite would have removed a lot of setup problems for some people if anything

[11:20:34]

Juski:

had some fair banter with a freevo developer too – sounds like they've got some erm.. interesting stuff coming in freevo2

[11:21:17]

Juski:

Kelerion: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . back;#215169

[11:21:19]

Kelerion:

oh? will have a read up later :)

[11:21:58]

Kelerion:

ok ok.. am reading! lol

[11:22:51]

Juski:

hehh

[11:24:20]

Juski:

next time I want someone to lend me a nice big flat screen if possible (if I haven't already got one myself)

[11:25:00]

Merlin83b:

re: The LiveTV Problem (no feed). It would be easy to simulate a live feed using a VCR...

[11:25:10]

Kelerion:

am coming next time for definate.. if I can get mine there.. you can use it

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Kelerion:

getting it there is the thing though.. they're damn heavy

[11:26:02]

Juski:

Merlin83b: not with a dvb tuner it wouldn't :-P

[11:26:33]

Juski:

I thought about using a video camera for that, and not having a spare mpeg2 encoder on an 800mhz machine would be sucky

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Merlin83b:

Juski: True, but I know you have PVRs :-P

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Juski:

I have ONE PVR card

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Merlin83b:

Close enough :-)

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Juski:

myth was busy recording stuff for me that weekend. I was committed, but not enough to dismantle my own production box!

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Merlin83b:

Fair enough :-)

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Juski:

just reminded me actually – I said I was going to make the case badges available soon

[11:34:11]

Juski:

hmmm. meeting with Nick O Teen in room2

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Kelerion:

ok.. all read and caught up... sounds painful Juski but sounds like you handled it alright :)

[11:36:42]

Kelerion:

probably better than I would have done.. I'd have lost it if they'd have started slagging me of as a mythtv user just because they had a problem with the developers

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Kelerion:

did you get a ton of photo's?

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Juski:

Kelerion: didn't have time!

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Juski:

Ludovic who helped out with the stand expected to have some downtime & thought he might need to bring a book or something but we ended up busy the whole time

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Kelerion:

there we go.. finally put a pic of my box on mythtvtalk :)

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Kelerion:

whose ludovic? someone from here?

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Juski:

Ludovic == Coume, founder of the mythtvtalk forums

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Kelerion:

ahh :) Coume

[11:59:07]

Kelerion:

he used to always be in here.. don't see him as much nowadays

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Juski:

next year I think we should have a box running SVN to give folks a taste of what's coming. was enough effort to co-ordinate around 0.19-fixes this time around

[12:00:30]

Kelerion:

couldn't run two setups together though

[12:01:07]

Juski:

yeh true

[12:01:31]

Kelerion:

did you have a dvb aerial there?

[12:01:36]

Juski:

the s100 was the star of the stand I think, looking all STB-ish as it does ;)

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Juski:

"where do I buy one?! I WANT ONE!"

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Kelerion:

how many from here did you meet?

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Juski:

none

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Kelerion:

oh

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Juski:

as far as I know anyway. nobody introduced themselves as having been around here

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Tobin:

Does anyone know of a good reason why only a very few buttons on my remote would work with MythTV?

[12:08:04]

Tobin:

I suspect this is a lirc problem...

[12:08:08]

Kelerion:

lircrc isn't mapped to lircd.conf properly

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Kelerion:

presuming irw shows all button presses correctly

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Tobin:

irw seems to exit immediately but the output still appears in the terminal it was started from.

[12:09:40]

Tobin:

The only buttons on the remote that seem to be working are the directions, enter and the numbers.

[12:09:43]

Juski:

eh?

[12:09:55]

Kelerion:

does it show all button presses though?

[12:09:56]

Juski:

irw exits but you see output from it?

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Tobin:

And they behave just like they had been pressed on a keyboard.

[12:10:06]

Tobin:

Kelerion: No.

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Kelerion:

migh be a HID remote then

[12:10:14]

Kelerion:

might

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Tobin:

That'd make sense.

[12:10:56]

Kelerion:

which remote is it? twinhan?

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Juski:

sounds plausible

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Tobin:

I think I might rebuild lirc from source.

[12:11:34]

Tobin:

I know that it *can* work with this remote.

[12:11:58]

Kelerion:

again.. which remote is it?

[12:12:25]

Tobin:

dvico fusion remote MCE

[12:12:36]

Tobin:

Sorry, didn't see the question the first time.

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Kelerion:

[13:12:11] <Kelerion> again.. which remote is it?

[12:14:01]

Kelerion:

oops

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Kelerion:

http://www.users.on.net/~jani/dvico-mythtv-8.html

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Kelerion:

thats better

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Tobin:

Ta, I'll have a look.

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Kelerion:

yup.. its a hid device

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Kelerion:

theres even an lircrc file for you there

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Tobin:

Nice.

[12:16:46]

Kelerion:

looks kinda outta date.. but might have some pointers

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Tobin:

Lirc 0.8.0 seems to have support without patching.

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Kelerion:

thought it might

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Kelerion:

I think the main difference there though is that that lircrc is using irxevent to handle all the keycodes

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Tobin:

Does that matter?

[12:19:16]

Kelerion:

with a hid remote.. probably

[12:20:09]

Kelerion:

I have a hid remote I don't use any more.. the only way to make that work was the re-patch the driver so it sent useful keys per button.. this way is easier and more flexible

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srobertson_:

]/motd

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srobertson_:

.motd

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srobertson_:

Is this on or do I need to do as the message says and register somehow?

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qu0zl:

it's on

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srobertson_:

Thanks for that, just seemed very quiet!

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srobertson_:

Is there anyone about that is knowledgeable about DVB-T issues, tuning I think?

[12:41:25]

Agrajag-:

what's the problem?

[12:43:33]

srobertson_:

I've somehow managed to muck things up and now can only record from 4 out of the six multiplexes that I can get.

[12:44:21]

srobertson_:

I should probably confess that I am trying to debug this in a kind of silly way, I'm not actually in front of the machine but I'm using mythweb and phpmyadmin

[12:44:38]

srobertson_:

It's more interesting than what I should be doing at work ;-)

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Agrajag-:

hmm have you happened to change your kernel recently?

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srobertson_:

nope not on this machine

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Agrajag-:

i found i couldn't watch/record one out of my 6 dvb-t channels after going to 2.6.15 to 2.6.16 or 2.6.17

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srobertson_:

I fairly recently compiled a newly checked out version of mythtv

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Agrajag-:

i didn't stay booted in either of those kernels long enough to find out if it was myth or the kernel

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srobertson_:

I ran the channel scan wizard to try and pick up fiilm4 which it did but now can't get mux 2 or mux A

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srobertson_:

I did end up with mulitple copies of the some of the chanels and I'm guessing that it was me trying to undo this that has caused the problem

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Agrajag-:

hmm possiblyi dunno

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Agrajag-:

gotta go sleep.. cya

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srobertson_:

thanks for you help

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kslater:

does anyone know of a quick way to look at the contents of Thumbs.db (from a myth gallery folder) outside of MythTV?

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Merlin83b:

Thumbs.db is a Windows file.

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kslater:

hmm

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fiXXXerMet:

Yeah, it's not important.

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kslater:

makes sense, my sister was scanning pictures into that folder from a windows box over samba

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Beirdo:

OK, time for a simple bot update

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v MythLogBot

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Beirdo:

!list

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Beirdo:

gotta wait for the lovely notifies to finish. Flood protection is so fun

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gardengnome:

!help notice

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gardengnome:

!notice

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MythLogBot:

This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yes it is

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gardengnome:

;)

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Juski:

rssfeed? does that do what I think it does?

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gardengnome:

MythLogBot: rssfeed

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Juski:

!help rssfeed

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Juski:

ooo. so it's not necessarily anything to do with making an rss feed of the channel activity (phew)

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Beirdo:

oh god NO

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Beirdo:

hehe

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gardengnome:

that'd suck, especially if it showed up in your boss' rss reader :)

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Beirdo:

it feeds rssfeeds into a channel

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Beirdo:

(check #beirdo-commits for an example)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Juski:

mythtv-users latest: McWho: STFU Juski!!

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Beirdo:

heh

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** gardengnome senses a bug in mythfilldatabase --manual.. again.. let's hope it's just PEBKAC **

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gardengnome:

fuck. seems to be a bug :/

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kormoc is now known as kz

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Beirdo:

kz?

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Beirdo:

ooook

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kz:

meh

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kz:

I forgot to change it last night when i went to bed

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Beirdo:

good mornin

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kz:

mornin'

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gardengnome:

morning kz

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kz:

but now time to get ready for work and become kormoc once again to rule the IRC WORLD!

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** kz laughs evilly **

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Tobin:

I've got my remote working, mostly, but every button press seems to be recognised twice. E.g. I press the right arrow in while in the program guide and the highlighted slot moves over two places not one.

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Tobin:

Any ideas?

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Tobin:

I've tried changing the repeat value in lircrc.

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jusk1:

try increasing the 'delay' value. see the lirc manual

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Tobin:

OK.

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Merlin83b:

jusk1: So nowadays you say rtfm politely ;-)

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Tobin:

I did look at the manual but changing the value didn't seem to do much. I guess I wasn't going high enough. :)

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Tobin:

Just how high should I be going? A repeat of 1000 doesn't seem to make a difference. I still get two "presses" every time.

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sigger:

anyone have an opinion as to whether xine or mplayer is better for playing video files (mpeg2, mpeg4) on a low power computer?

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Merlin83b:

mplayer works fine for me

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jusk1:

xine works fine on my ickle 1ghz box

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kz:

sigger, depends on the codec

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jusk1:

depends on how 'low power' it is too

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jusk1:

you might mean 200Mhz

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sigger:

I've got a couple of avi files that have just a little too much stutter with xine. tried playing with xxmc, etc (as you, jusk1 have guided me on) but my 600 Mhz EPIA seems to be a little too little

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jusk1:

600mhz is prolly too underpowered for xvid or divx playback

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jusk1:

fine for mpeg2 though

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sigger:

yeah (sigh). well I guess I'll have to wait until I finish spec'ing out a box to take its place

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doobedoobedo:

Hi I have a new USB sound card which has no Master or PCM controls – the only working output control is Speaker,1 – is there a way to use it with mythtv?

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doobedoobedo:

I'm using Alsa not OSS btw

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gardengnome:

is anyone running svn trunk in here and could do me a favor? i'd need to verify that mythfilldatabase --manual doesn't insert the freqid properly because i'm too lazy to install svn turnk right now ;). if anyone cares, just do a mythfilldatabase --manual --preset --vebrose database and let me know ;)

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gardengnome:

make that "mythfilldatabase --manual --preset --verbose database"

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gardengnome:

(that channel table has to be empty for that, though)

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Juski:

hmm it must be nearly beer 'o' clock by now

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Merlin83b:

Almost exactly.

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Merlin83b:

Just waiting for wife of a coworker and then we're off to the pub.

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Juski:

ah wives of coworkers. always holding up the trip to the pub

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sigger:

wow, that's evil Merlin83b

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Merlin83b:

Why, sigger?

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sigger:

off for drinks with a co-workers wife?

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sigger:

;)

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Juski:

lol

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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Merlin83b:

Said coworker will also be there.

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sigger:

oh. well that's less fun

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Juski:

nice night for it anyway

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Juski:

see yers later maybe

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Merlin83b:

Yep, will probably sit outside somewhere.

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Merlin83b:

Oh, make distclean sorted my issue last night, btw :-)

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Juski:

ahh cool

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Merlin83b:

Probably on the barge at Eden.

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Juski:

I like it there

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Juski:

velly noice

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Juski:

just don't go on a wednesday night

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Merlin83b:

Why's that?

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Juski:

anyway.. time for osski. have fun

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Juski:

Merlin83b: go on a wednesday night one time & find out :-P

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Merlin83b:

Seeya.

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Merlin83b:

Not likely with that warning :-P

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gardengnome:

never mind on the mythfilldatabase issue, btw (for now)

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mwtb:

I've added a DVB-T card to a MythTV box that was already working with analogue card. The DVB card is now on /dev/video0 , but the analogue card is still shown as card #0 in the dmesg initialisation. Normal?

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Chunks:

I'm going through the mailing lists but haven't had much luck finding any info... Does anyone know what my backend can scan/change channel easily, but "LiveTV" will stall and then quit entirely if I try to change channels?

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Chunks:

TVTime also changes channels without problem.

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gnome42:

Chunks: Are the frontend and backend on the same box?

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Chunks:

yes

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Chunks:

I've been doing more reading, and wondering if it's to do with a sound issue as well. I was trying to diagnose them seperately.

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gnome42:

Chunks: oh, so not a time sync problem then. :/

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Chunks:

the only TV app that works with the latest nvidia drivers is TVTime afaik, and that changes channels, but won't play audio either.

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gnome42:

Chunks: mythfrontend -v playback might give some info about sound issues

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Chunks:

I didn't think they're related, because my TV card externally connects to "line in" on my soundcard, and if I unmute that, it plays fine. but maybe there's more to it than that. I dunno

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Chunks:

thanks.. I'll try that, see what it says

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gnome42:

k, good luck!

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[Jasper]:

hej guys

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Jasper:

damn

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Jasper:

got disconnected

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Jasper:

anyone know what format frequency should bve?

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Jasper:

hej, can anyone tell me in what format frequenties should be entered?

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qfour20:

good afternoon, myth users. anyone here ever seen an issue where /dev/lirc/0 never gets created when using a hauppauge card ir reciever?

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Jasper:

720000 720.000 720 mhz ?

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Jasper:

anyone?

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Jasper:

who can inform me?

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Jasper:

no-one?

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qfour20:

sorry man... I'm clueless about it

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mwtb:

Jasper: Frequency of what?

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Jasper:

of a channel

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mwtb:

Jasper: Analogue, cable, dvb?

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Fnc_:

i knwo this is a linux question, but does anyone know how to change a disk label in fc4?

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KyleAnderson:

I think you need fdisk?

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Anduin:

Fnc_: e2label for extX

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ru:

hi guys

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ru:

the audio in my myth just stopped working

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Fnc_:

what if its jfs?

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ru:

it happens everytime i reboot

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ru:

my sound works in everything else though

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Jasper:

analogue mwtb

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Jasper:

does it matter?

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Jasper:

I just need to know if it should be filled in as hz or mhz or something else

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Fnc_:

er what if its jfs

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ru:

i fixed it last time by removing my /etc/asound.conf file and restarting mythtv frontend

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mwtb:

Jasper: Yes, because I just entered a DVB frequency, so I know that format. Analogue, I don't.

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ru:

2006-08–03 20:13:37.638 Opening audio device 'default'.

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ru:

2006-08–03 20:13:37.676 snd_pcm_open(default): No such file or directory

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ru:

2006-08–03 20:13:37.676 NVP: Disabling Audio, reason is: snd_pcm_open(default): No such file or directory

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ru:

what could be the cause of that?

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Anduin:

Jasper: Looking at the code, it looks like if freqid is in Hz it will be used.

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gnome42:

ru: looks like alsa config issue, search the user's list for "snd_pcm_open"

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gardengnome:

for analog, it's khz, i think – at least the online help in mythtv-setup says that...

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Fnc_:

jfs_mkfs -L <labelname> <device>

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KyleAnderson:

ru: do you have a .asoundrc in your home directory?

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Anduin:

Fnc_: jfs_tune

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ru:

no

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ru:

i dont think its a myth issue

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ru:

i think my sound is badly configured

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ru:

weird that other apps can play fine

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Fnc_:

the jfs worked the drive was empty but it formatted anyone.. good to know about tune though, incase i had a bunch of stuff on it

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Jasper:

juski?

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Jasper:

anyone here who can give me some help

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gardengnome:

ask a question? a real one?

[18:31:17]

Jasper:

I did

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Jasper:

on top

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Jasper:

I have no clue if my tv card is working

[18:31:31]

Jasper:

it's only giving noise

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gardengnome:

20:16 < gardengnome> for analog, it's khz, i think – at least the online help in mythtv-setup says that...

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gardengnome:

Jasper: are you outside US?

[18:33:27]

Jasper:

LOL

[18:33:29]

Jasper:

this is crazy

[18:33:33]

Jasper:

when I plugin my computer here

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Jasper:

the tv below screws up

[18:33:42]

Jasper:

the screen

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Jasper:

as if my tv-card is sending information over the cable

[18:33:58]

Jasper:

ever heard of that?

[18:34:47]

gardengnome:

no, i have no clue what you're talking about. that's not really surprising considering that you've given *no* valuable information

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gnome42:

Jasper: does your analogue card work with other tv apps? (xawtv, tvtime etc.)

[18:35:14]

Jasper:

I just said

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Jasper:

when I plugin my analogue cable

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Jasper:

the tv belows looses its signal quality

[18:35:50]

Jasper:

but if a tv is connected

[18:35:52]

Jasper:

it's fine

[18:35:59]

Jasper:

so my tv-card is doing something with the cable..

[18:36:02]

Jasper:

and that's fucked up

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sigger:

can mplayer play a kvcd in the form of a .bin and .cue? it appears that xine won't.

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gnome42:

Jasper: Hmm, I also don't know what you are talking about. But I would suggest leaving mythtv out of the equation until you can get your card working with a basic tv app like xawtv etc.

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mwtb:

Is there any reason to prefer the mythtv channel scan for dvb channels over simply importing the channel conf produced by dvb-utils?

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vanquish:

hey guys, i need a remote for my pc

[18:49:43]

vanquish:

any tips?

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vanquish:

preferrably something that looks good

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qfour20:

has anyone seen a situation where /dev/lirc/0 doesn't get created after installing lirc and inserting the kernel modules (lirc-i2c for hauppauge)

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Anduin:

qfour20: dmesg and look for errors

[18:53:35]

qfour20:

I see this: lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61

[18:53:42]

qfour20:

no errors that i can find

[18:54:23]

Anduin:

qfour20: did you recently change kernels/ivtv versions?

[18:54:53]

qfour20:

i recomiled to add support for other devices... what do you think I might be missing

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Anduin:

qfour20: If you are running a 2.6.17 kernel you probably need CVS lirc.

[18:55:50]

qfour20:

2.6.16-gentoo-r7

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Anduin:

qfour20: You should see a message from lirc_i2c about it finding the device as well.

[19:00:17]

qfour20:

hmmm... nothing from lirc_i2c at all... guess that's indicative of my problem.

[19:00:43]

Anduin:

qfour20: you are using ivtv 0.6?

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qfour20:

not sure what version. it's ~x86, I know that much

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ServerSage:

Anybody want to help me throw my mythtv box in a lake? :)

[19:06:12]

ServerSage:

When mythmusic switches tracks, it crashes. I can manually switch tracks fine. But if it gets to the end of a song and goes to the next, it crashes.

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ServerSage:

On the command line I get: mythfrontend: asf.c:428: asf_get_packet: Assertion `(url_ftell(&s->pb) – s->data_offset) % asf->packet_size= == 0' failed.

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coffee88:

qfour20: do you have a dev/lircd rather than lirc/0?

[19:08:56]

coffee88:

qfour20: nova-t card?

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qfour20:

coffee88: yes, i have /dev/lircd, but no /dev/lirc/0 it's a hauppauge pvr250

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** coffee88 tries desperatly to remember what he had to do in the same situation.... **

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Anduin:

qfour20: put a dmesg on a paste site

[19:12:55]

vanquish:

any tips on getting a remote for pc?

[19:13:20]

Fnc_:

get one that fits your hand

[19:13:20]

ServerSage:

qfour20: What flavor of linux?

[19:13:43]

qfour20:

http://pastebin.ca/113756 it's a gentoo box

[19:14:02]

ServerSage:

vanquish: I highly recommend getting a Logitech remote (previously harmony). You will need to get a seperate IR reciever though.

[19:14:16]

ServerSage:

qfour20: Have you taken a look at: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_LIRC_for_MythTV

[19:14:17]

Anduin:

qfour20: Load ivtv, then lirc

[19:14:49]

Fnc_:

i like my pronto... quite a bit infact

[19:15:00]

ServerSage:

Okay, I just narrowed my crashing mythmusic problem down a bit more. It only crashes when switching tracks that are wma files. Using flac, it works flawlessly.

[19:15:02]

coffee88:

qfour20: not sure it will help, but check out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_PCI you mihgt have to look at the event

[19:15:06]

vanquish:

ServerSage: ok great, links? what do i have to do to get a seperate ir reciever?

[19:15:14]

qfour20:

i've been through the gentoo lirc wiki a few times, but nothing there mentions what should happen if /dev/lirc/0 does not exist. just a mention that the device didn't show up for the author until lircd was up and the modules were inserted

[19:15:43]

coffee88:

it might be /dev/input/evenet that you need....

[19:15:52]

coffee88:

event even!!!

[19:16:07]

Anduin:

Yes, excellent advice!

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ServerSage:

vanquish: http://www.logitech.com – as for an IR receiver, I used the one that came with my Hauppage card. You'll have to google around to find one.

[19:16:18]

sigger:

vanquish: www.logitech.com. I use my harmony 680 with an old packard bell ir receiver that is widely available

[19:16:20]

coffee88:

my typing sucks today!

[19:16:31]

qfour20:

hmmmm... no /dev/input/e* exists

[19:17:00]

Anduin:

qfour20: Whee, in that entire dmesg, is ivtv mentioned even once?

[19:17:07]

qfour20:

you know what, it's not

[19:17:13]

Anduin:

I know.

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Anduin:

Load ivtv, then lirc.

[19:18:02]

qfour20:

aha... looks like i did something wrong with the ivtv driver too... time to fix that first

[19:19:17]

qfour20:

great... now ivtv is telling me I *have* to upgrade kernels

[19:19:23]

vanquish:

mmmk

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vanquish:

i see logitech remotes

[19:19:33]

ServerSage:

qfour20: You can just drop down a version of ivtv.

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Beirdo:

coffee88, you need more coffee

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vanquish:

cheapest is $120

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Jasper:

can anyone help me with a tv-card problem

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ServerSage:

qfour20: Or upgrade kernels. :)

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sigger:

vanquish: deals to be had online

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vanquish:

sigger: hmm

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Jasper:

it appears that my tv-card messes up the cable signal

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ServerSage:

Jasper: What card?

[19:20:09]

Jasper:

could it be that my tv-card is accidentaly transmitting power?

[19:20:23]

Jasper:

because other tv's in the house also get messed up

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sigger:

vanquish: a much less expensive option is the remote that comes with a Packard Bell IR receiver

[19:20:49]

Jasper:

could it be that the box is not groundwired properly?

[19:21:19]

ServerSage:

Jasper: What card?

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sigger:

(I'm not pushing PB; I just know that they're available pretty inexpensively and they work for me)

[19:22:30]

Jasper:

pvr 500

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ServerSage:

Jasper: So if you plug in the 500, tvs are fuzzy? if you unplug it, tvs are fine?

[19:23:25]

Jasper:

yes

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Jasper:

and with a tv on the place of the tv-card all tv's are fine

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coffee88:

Beirdo: I know!

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janneg:

stuarta: welcome back

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stuarta:

thanks :-)

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Jasper:

any clues guys?

[19:25:20]

Juski:

wb stuarta :)

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vanquish:

sigger: hmm i'm having trouble locating a packard bell reciever. any leads, or tips on other recievers? I'm concerned with fast button repeats – is that a remote, reciever, or lirc config thing?

[19:25:41]

Juski:

Jasper: sounds like your signal level is lacking to me

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stuarta:

hi Juski

[19:26:13]

Jasper:

Juski how can the signal level be lacking if a tv can use it?

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sigger:

vanquish: its usually a remote and IR receiver packaged together. I found mine by googling. bought 2 about 6 months ago. $30 IIRC

[19:27:03]

Juski:

Jasper: it's lacking because you've split it too many ways

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Jasper:

and 2nd thing ...the tvcard worked fine in my other machine Juski but in this new box only static

[19:27:16]

Jasper:

and the tv-s get f*cked up

[19:27:40]

Jasper:

and when I connect the tv-cable to the back I keep getting shocks from my tv-car

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Jasper:

card

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Juski:

the tvs get fucked up but only when you plug the cable into one card and not the other one? sounds like a faulty card now

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** stuarta is sick of cheese, bread, and over fried food.... **

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Beirdo:

mmmm, cheese

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Juski:

Jasper: sounds like you also have a grounding problem

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coffee88:

hmmmm, cheese dreams!

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Anduin:

Jasper: I think mentioning getting shocked would be the first thing you'd bring up.

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Jasper:

yes...but do you guys have any clue how I can find out if the grounding is a problem?

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** stuarta loves cheese, but has eaten not much else for a week. **

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Jasper:

and if so how I can fix it

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Beirdo:

stuarta, yeah, that can get tiring

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Juski:

Jasper: there are some very good guides to home theater (sic) grounding out there. try google :)

[19:29:38]

ServerSage:

Jasper: I have no idea. Could be a bad card.

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stuarta:

anyway, anything interesting happen while I was away???

[19:29:57]

Juski:

not much

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Jasper:

Juski I guess bad grounding could be the reason for having only static...

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Beirdo:

more of the same user incompetence for us to help with, not much

[19:30:40]

Beirdo:

God bless the newbies :)

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sigger:

vanquish: ok, here's where I got mine. http://tekgems.com/Products/tg-pbr.htm I think its even cheaper now – $4.99??

[19:30:50]

sigger:

it even references mythtv

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stuarta:

202 new messages in -dev. not bad for a week...

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Juski:

Jasper: right, look. If all the tvs on that cable are fine until you plug the cable into a tuner card, and using a different tuner card of the same model doesn't give you a problem, then chances are one of the cards is faulty

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Jasper:

no not using a different tv-card...using the same tv-card in a different box

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coffee88:

ok, so here's a question.... while tning in a new channel I worked out that I can't watch live tv through myth without huge pauses...

[19:32:13]

Juski:

how many tvs have you got on that one cable anyway Jasper?

[19:32:26]

qfour20:

hmmmmmm... i've got the bttv driver loaded in and such... seems to be ok, but I still only have /dev/lircd. I have a sneaking suspicion that my box thinks it's gonna use a serial ir blaster instead of using the ir reciever on the hauppauge card.

[19:32:27]

coffee88:

recordings are sweet...

[19:32:40]

coffee88:

epia 600mhz box...

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ServerSage:

coffee88: It pre-buffers 3–5 seconds of livetv before it starts playing.

[19:33:03]

Jasper:

juski just 3

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Juski:

coffee88: running 0.19? or 0.19-fixes? I had a problem with EIT grabbing hogging my CPU on a 0.19 test box of only 800Mhz

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Anduin:

qfour20: ivtv not bttv

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ServerSage:

coffee88: Live tv is treated as a recording. Otherwise you would not be able to pause it. :)

[19:33:09]

coffee88:

am i expecting too much to be able to do that? not that I ever watch live tv that way....

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Jasper:

but there's an amplifier in between juski

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coffee88:

19.0 only...

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Juski:

coffee88: using EIT data?

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coffee88:

errrrrrmmm.... not sure on the eit....

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Juski:

coffee88: do you use tv_grab_uk_rt or not?

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coffee88:

Juski: yes. use rt grab

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coffee88:

but still not sure it's not trying to use eit in the background if i'm watching tv....

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Juski:

right so chances are it's not EIT futzing it up then :) And I assume when you say 'pauses' you don't just mean livetv takes a wee while to start?

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coffee88:

no, I mean it goes... like... this... all.. the ...time...

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Juski:

that's what I thought you meant

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coffee88:

no drama as i never watch it though.

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coffee88:

live, that is.

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Juski:

phew!, eh? ;-)

[19:36:26]

coffee88:

does fixes help this, just out of interest...

[19:36:35]

Juski:

I think so

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** coffee88 wonders when there is a recordeing gap long enough to emerge fixes on a very, very slow box.. **

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kormoc:

coffee88, you can emerge it anyway, and just restart the backend when you have a recording gap

[19:38:02]

coffee88:

remembers it's summer, and there's nothing new on anyway....

[19:38:13]

qfour20:

lol coffee88

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

you're using gentoo on an epia and you compile on the epia?!

[19:39:01]

coffee88:

kormoc: this box doesn't cope well doing 2 things at once... especially with the high priority compiling seems to end up with...

[19:39:04]

Beirdo:

you need another carafe of coffee

[19:39:31]

kormoc:

coffee88, did you put PORTAGE_NICENESS=19 in your /etc/make.conf?

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coffee88:

hey, it's worked so far! though getting from a stage 1 system, to stage 3 can take a while!

[19:39:51]

** Beirdo shakes his head **

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Beirdo:

crazy people ;)

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coffee88:

kormoc: no, not yet... thinking about it, but I just try to pick moments and get it over with as fast as possible...

[19:40:43]

kormoc:

Beirdo, hey now! my slowest box is 2.13 ghz, it's not that bad for me :P

[19:40:51]

Juski:

coffee88: I compiled mythtv on my xbox (on xebian) but I used distcc – surprisingly easy to set up. you _should_ try it!

[19:41:06]

coffee88:

if you build a gentoo epia box over winter, it hlps on the heating bills!

[19:41:11]

Beirdo:

kormoc, true, but that's not an epia with a wussie processor

[19:41:13]

coffee88:

helps, even.

[19:41:38]

Beirdo:

distcc is worth getting working for situations like that

[19:41:51]

Juski:

there's always MythDora – I've heard it's good for Epia stuff

[19:41:57]

kormoc:

sadly, distcc on gentoo isn't too happy with mixed arch setups

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coffee88:

Beirdo: done that, but all my boxes got out of sync on gcc....

[19:42:17]

Juski:

ahh yes, never a good situation

[19:42:46]

coffee88:

a gcc compile on an epia can take as long as X.....

[19:42:54]

Juski:

been there...

[19:43:05]

Juski:

gave up on the bugger long before it was even half way

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** coffee88 stuck it out to the bitter end.... more than once! **

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Juski:

some people obviously enjoy compiling

[19:43:58]

** coffee88 has 3 epia boxes.... all built from stage 1.... **

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coffee88:

i find the messages flying by relaxing.....

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Juski:

I'd have shot either myself or somebody else if I'd done that

[19:44:55]

** coffee88 has a vry VERY understanding gf. He hopes! **

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Beirdo:

yeah well, I remember compiling Linux kernels on my original Linux box...

[19:45:01]

Juski:

my epia frontend is the only box in here which has never had windows on it... ever

[19:45:05]

Beirdo:

386DX40 with 4MB RAM

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Beirdo:

it took a day and a bit

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Juski:

it was frustrating, because I didn't even know for sure if the board was good

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coffee88:

I still don't know if any of my boxes are working as they should/could be.. but they work!

[19:48:59]

coffee88:

and at least they make no noise at all...

[19:49:35]

Beirdo:

other than BANG! when they blow up? :)

[19:50:20]

** coffee88 konws who to target if they do that in the next 24 hours.... Commentators curse.... **

[19:50:39]

Beirdo:

hmmm

[19:50:51]

kormoc:

good luck finding him, as he sits around sipping rum inside of a coconut cup

[19:51:00]

Beirdo:

it must be Bill Gates' fault, he's to blame for everything

[19:51:26]

coffee88:

hey, if it means visiting a stirng of desert islands, i'm in!

[19:51:29]

Beirdo:

mmmm, that would be good, kormoc

[19:51:51]

Beirdo:

but, alas, I have no rum

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Beirdo:

and no wheels to go get rum

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coffee88:

stirng?! my typing is still shi*! must be a thursday. never could get the hang of thursdays....

[19:52:54]

Beirdo:

blame it on Bill Gates

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ServerSage:

Does anybody here play wma files on mythmusic?

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phiwum:

Hey ho.

[20:00:13]

phiwum:

I have audio troubles. Any gurus available?

[20:00:50]

phiwum:

I thought I had solved the problems earlier today and was able to watch some live TV. But now I can't hear a gol'darned thing.

[20:01:29]

phiwum:

Sound works on tvtime, however.

[20:05:10]

Juski:

uh-oh

[20:05:35]

Juski:

sound works in tvtime, and the tuner audio mutes when you leave tvtime, but myth doesn't unmute the tv audio?

[20:06:05]

phiwum:

Er, I'm not sure that's what's happening.

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phiwum:

But maybe so.

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Juski:

put it another way then.

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phiwum:

All I know is that I can hear audio in tvtime but when I run mythtv, I can't hear anything.

[20:07:10]

phiwum:

However, when I play a program I recorded earlier in mythtv, then the audio is fine.

[20:07:11]

Juski:

... before you open tvtime you can't hear tv sound... then when you open tvtime you have tv sound. closing tvtime stops the tv sound coming through...

[20:07:44]

phiwum:

Yes, that's true, but surely the card is inactive when I close tvtime, right?

[20:07:56]

Juski:

kind of (ish)

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Juski:

have you had livetv audio working in mythtv before?

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phiwum:

Oh. Okay. I just assumed that the card was "off" except when a program was accessing it.

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phiwum:

I'm new to TV cards.

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phiwum:

I *think* I have the amixer settings correct.

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Juski:

line input muted, but recording is set to happen from the line input, yes?

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phiwum:

jesse@phiwumbda:~$ amixer set Line,0 75%,75% mute captur

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phiwum:

Simple mixer control 'Line',0

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phiwum:

Capabilities: pvolume pswitch cswitch

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phiwum:

Playback channels: Front Left – Front Right

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phiwum:

Capture channels: Front Left – Front Right

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phiwum:

Limits: Playback 0 – 31

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phiwum:

Front Left: Playback 23 [74%] [off] Capture [on]

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Juski:

whoah!

[20:09:46]

phiwum:

Front Right: Playback 23 [74%] [off] Capture [on]

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phiwum:

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phiwum:

Does that look right?

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Juski:

yeh it looks okay but next time use a pastebin, k

[20:10:34]

phiwum:

Er, sorry, I don't use IRC much.

[20:10:37]

phiwum:

Pastebin?

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Juski:

www.pastebin.ca or one of the thousands out there

[20:11:05]

Juski:

somewhere to paste lines & lines & lines of stuff so you don't flood channels ;)

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phiwum:

Okie doke.

[20:11:27]

** coffee88 remembers when he did that too.... **

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Juski:

so with that set, you don't hear audio in mythtv...

[20:11:50]

phiwum:

Right.

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phiwum:

I've set ALSA:default as my sound device.

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Juski:

thing is.. if you don't hear audio in mythtv in livetv, you shouldn't get audio in recordings either, cos everything is recorded

[20:12:15]

phiwum:

And default as the mixer.

[20:12:36]

phiwum:

The audio in the recordings is from earlier today, when everything was briefly, magically working.

[20:12:49]

phiwum:

I can't figure out what changed from that time to this.

[20:13:02]

Juski:

if you unmute the line input for a sec.. do you hear tv audio?

[20:13:08]

phiwum:

No.

[20:13:31]

Juski:

I think you need the v4lctl command to get the tv card to unmute the audio on the tv card

[20:13:34]

phiwum:

I've tried just about every boolean combination out there!

[20:13:36]

phiwum:

Ah!

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phiwum:

Let me try that. Know the syntax?

[20:13:55]

Juski:

for some reason myth doesn't do that, but tvtime (etc) does

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Juski:

I don't know the syntax offhand

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Juski:

maybe v4lctl -c /dev/video0 volume mute off

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Juski:

and you'll need to put that in a startup script so it happens next time you reboot too

[20:16:54]

phiwum:

I'd like to see the values before I re-set them. Just to check.

[20:17:38]

phiwum:

But I don't see how to do that.

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phiwum:

Oh well. I found this from an old irc log:

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phiwum:

v4lctl setattr automute off;v4lctl setattr mute off

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phiwum:

Hey! That worked!

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phiwum:

I wonder if tvtime set those attributes on exit or something.

[20:20:26]

stuarta:

later all

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mwtb:

I have a card pulling from an STB and a new dvb card and they offer many of the same channels. How are the channels meant to be structured in mythtv? Should I have duplicates, with one for each card, or should there just be one entry?

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Juski:

laters, stuarta

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Juski:

mwtb: you used to be able to have dual-purpose entries (analogue & digital). that's not the case any more

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phiwum:

By the way, is it possible to run mythtv in windowed mode? Sometimes I want to pretend I'm working while watching TV.

[20:23:18]

Juski:

yes, but it's a pain to switch between windowed & full-screen

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sapbeast:

i always use windowed mode

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sapbeast:

dont know why, just do

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phiwum:

How do you run windowed mode?

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mwtb:

Juski: So I will have two BBC1 entries, for instance? Can I hide one and just schedule recordings on the other and trust MythTV to use either card as appropriate?

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phiwum:

I think I prefer that too.

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sapbeast:

something really simple i think, there is an option even

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Juski:

mwtb: you could just have one visible – that'd work I think.. depends how you set the scheduling up

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mwtb:

Juski: Okay, thanks. Now I just have to work out how to get the EIT schedule to work, or perhaps I'll just map the uk_rt channels to the dvb... but then how do I have two rt channel sets. Confusing,

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Juski:

mwtb: you can have more than one channel with the same xmltvid ;)

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Juski:

personally I'd avoid using EIT on 0.19. I've experienced CPU usage problems with it

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vanquish:

sigger: thanks a lot for the link! and you say that if i decide to get a "prettier" remote later, i could use this reciever?

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** vanquish wonders if he has a serial port.... **

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sigger:

vanquish: well, I use my harmony 680 with it. its a general IR serial receiver. there are different kinds of remotes, but this is, I understand, the most common

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sigger:

s/general/generic

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mwtb:

Juski: Okay... so I should reselect the rt channels for grabbing, adding the freeview channels. Then import the channel.conf from dvb-utils scan and map those channels to the XMLTV IDs?

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Juski:

mwtb: if you've already added the freeview channels just add the xmltv ids to them, making sure you have them within ~/.mythtv/vidsourcename.xmltv

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mwtb:

Juski: Thanks. This may take a while.

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Fnc_:

any of you followed jarods guide to get stuff going?

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mwtb:

Fnc_: A long time ago.

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Jasper:

Juski I think I singled down the problem

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Jasper:

my box is not grounded properly

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Juski:

figures

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Jasper:

why figures ? :P

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phiwum:

Juski: Thanks for the help with the audio!

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phiwum:

See ya'll later.

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Jasper:

well I whoped my complete mainboard out with all the components

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Jasper:

put it all back together

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Jasper:

still bad grounding..

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Jasper:

:(

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Fnc_:

wha?

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Beirdo:

argh!

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** Beirdo slaps IPC message queues around a bit **

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Beirdo:

I put IN... mtype = 3

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Beirdo:

it reads out mtype = 4

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Beirdo:

WTF?

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sigger:

anyone have a recommedation for a USB wifi dongle? (I have already read that USB's can be somewhat difficult)

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Agrajag-:

sigger: ones that use the rt (ralink) chipset are ok

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Agrajag-:

see http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Hardware

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Agrajag-:

im getting a dlink DWL-G122 today.. i'll see how it goes

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sigger:

oooh, cool. thanks

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Agrajag-:

gtg bbl

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sigger:

ah, so you haven't used this chipset?

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sigger:

k, thx

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liran_:

can i make the pvr remote operate the arrow keys of the keyboard for the program tux-racer game?

[21:20:31]

liran_:

like with irxevent or something?

[21:20:55]

liran_:

because i know it's possible with xine/mplayer but those are *made* to support it while the tux-racer game isn't

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Juski:

yeh irxevent is what you'd need

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Juski:

you could even do that for a keyboard-controlled chess game so you could play chess from your armchair too! (like anyone would ever want to do that)

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liran_:

:P

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Juski:

has anyone written a chess game plugin for mythtv today?

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** Juski hides **

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s_g_robertson:

Hello Folks, Is anyone here running a frontend on one of the VIA EPIA boards? I've recently gone from 0.18.something to a svn checkout from last week and my playback seems to have got a lot worse

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** Juski runs minimyth **

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liran_:

ahh yeah im looking at irxevent's manual

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sigger:

ya, I've got knoppmyth on my EPIA front

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liran_:

looks very much possible

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Juski:

it's the dogs' popsicles :)

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liran_:

juski do you know what x10 is?

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s_g_robertson:

i know it is a very vague question but any clues what might have happened to my playback. I changed to the SVN mainly as I wanted to try out Mytharchive, but also took the oppurtunity to try complling myth for the first time and try to add XvMC support

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liran_:

i want to make some time for making an x10 addon for mythtv :P

[21:28:16]

Juski:

s_g_robertson: I very much need xvmc, and my board has a 1ghz cpu

[21:28:29]

s_g_robertson:

I've compiled ok and now get the option of viaXvMC inthe frontend setup but it don;t seem to be working

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Juski:

liran_: I think someone has almost beaten you to it. I can't remember his name but I made some theme icons for him

[21:29:00]

liran_:

noooo

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s_g_robertson:

Things were going okay without it previously albeit running in the 90% range all the time

[21:29:08]

Juski:

s_g_robertson: you need to be running openchrome drivers iirc

[21:29:30]

Juski:

liran_: it wasn't a proper plugin – he was just running scripts from the menus

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liran_:

really? :P

[21:29:44]

liran_:

ahhh, that i can also do hehe

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Juski:

nice guy too – not seen him for ages

[21:30:11]

s_g_robertson:

juski: I think I am but i'm not even sure. I remember going through lots and not quite understanding what was going on

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liran_:

yep, we need good guys like him

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liran_:

anyway i think im gonna go to bed

[21:30:47]

Juski:

s_g_robertson: if it's just a frontend, I'd definitely recommend minimyth. it rocks!

[21:31:03]

s_g_robertson:

yep its just a frontend

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s_g_robertson:

Juski: which board are you running it on?

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liran_:

goodnight everyone

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s_g_robertson:

cheers liran_

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Juski:

s_g_robertson: epia M-10000

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s_g_robertson:

same here

[21:34:06]

Juski:

diskless, (modded) fanless... silent!

[21:34:28]

s_g_robertson:

fanless would be very nice

[21:34:36]

s_g_robertson:

i've got my fans slowed right down

[21:34:53]

s_g_robertson:

which does help, but none at all would be better

[21:35:02]

s_g_robertson:

I take it you have XvMC going?

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sigger:

Juski: you run any post-processing filters/plugins when you use xine?

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Juski:

sigger: nah

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sigger:

k, thanks

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Juski:

s_g_robertson: comes as standard with minimyth. all you need do is enable it

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s_g_robertson:

sounds good

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Juski:

damnit. my thread about 'wiki week' has dissolved into a fscking argument about whether there should even BE a wiki or not. That was NOT the point!!! argghh

[21:36:42]

s_g_robertson:

I've just been having a look on the web for minimyth but the website I can find linpvr.org appears to be quite out of date

[21:37:18]

Juski:

http://linpvr.org/dnload/releases/

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Juski:

I've told them about that before, but nobody does a thing about it, which is a pity

[21:40:01]

s_g_robertson:

Thanks for that. I'll give that a shot. Sorry to keep throwing questions at you. How long does it take to boot up? Not that what I have at the moment is that quick anyway

[21:40:45]

s_g_robertson:

was that your thread about the wiki week? Personally I thought that was a great idea.

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s_g_robertson:

I was hoping to try and do something. Quite like the idea of contributing in some way. While I write plenty of software it's mainly for 8bit embedded micros so not much help for mythtv!!

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Juski:

heh. well I'm looking to try to get more people involved in the _community_ overall, and I saw the wiki as a good starting point

[21:45:15]

s_g_robertson:

yeah id agree. I've only just used this channel for the first time today In fact its about 8 years since I used IRC at all. And signed up to the mailing lists this week

[21:45:49]

s_g_robertson:

mythtv is great and there is lots of documentation out there but its in lots of different places and I've never been very sure which version its for

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Beirdo:

s_g_robertson, welcome, fellow embedded firmware designer. :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

although lately, more of my coding has been Linux apps

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Juski:

I'm not a huge fan of wikis myself, but the mythtv wiki is a massive improvement on what there used to be IMHO – if only from the point of view that anyone can contribute now

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Beirdo:

wikis are a useful tool when used properly

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s_g_robertson:

never done anything on linux, so far

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Beirdo:

and like one or two steps above forums on the usefulness ladder

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Beirdo:

oh why, oh WHY can't msgsnd/msgrcv be signal-handler-safe?!

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s_g_robertson:

in fact work has had me doing lots of electronics hardware recently!!

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Beirdo:

fun :)

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Juski:

we still get far too many people dropping by on the mythtvtalk forums, asking for help, getting solutions then running off never to be seen again. That's not what the community is supposed to be all about. The same people helping out over & over & over again. I often wonder why I bother

[21:51:58]

Beirdo:

because you're a nice guy?

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Juski:

heh. my patience isn't infinite though

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Juski:

(as the logs will show) :-P

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Beirdo:

feel free to swing the trout

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

hmmm. This don't make me too happy, but I think in my main program for gputrans, I need to pull messages out of the IPC queue and put them into a local queue which the signal handlers can also write to.

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Beirdo:

but how to do that without deadlock.

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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s_g_robertson:

the advantage i see with wikis, and i'll put my hand up and say i don't have much experience with them, is that people can contribute in a very small way but it is still worthwhile

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Beirdo:

yeah, wikis CAN be useful

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Beirdo:

as long as the signal-to-noise ratio is well controlled

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Juski:

not sure that's gonna be much of a problem

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GreyFoxx:

Certainly not as bad as the -users list :)

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s_g_robertson:

Juski: sorry to be a pain and ask about minimyth again. I've been having a look just now. I'm at a loss on how to tell which version to download so that the protocols tie up. Can you help on this?

[22:02:43]

Juski:

s_g_robertson: lemme check

[22:02:56]

s_g_robertson:

greyfoxx: as i was saying I just signed up to the this week. I was surprised by the volume of messages, but also plesantly surprised by how quick I got an answer to a question

[22:03:12]

s_g_robertson:

juski: thanks for that

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Juski:

the 0.19xx versions should be fine with a 0.19 or 0.19-fixes backend

[22:04:59]

s_g_robertson:

i think i've run before i can walk but my backend is SVN version 10624

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Juski:

ah

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Juski:

check the -testing directory then

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s_g_robertson:

i think looking at the relases on linpvr in the testing directory that I'm okay with the latest version

[22:06:03]

s_g_robertson:

looking at trac there doesn't seem to be any mention of protocol changes

[22:06:09]

s_g_robertson:

between the versions

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Juski:

don't count on that ;)

[22:06:49]

Beirdo:

heh, yeah they don't always put it in the commit messages

[22:06:59]

s_g_robertson:

i'll give it a try, looks like I can probably try it without mucking up my existing setup

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s_g_robertson:

famous last words!

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Juski:

back up your db before running it!

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s_g_robertson:

thats a good plan

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mwtb:

DVB Input does just pull the MPEG2 stream direct to disk, right? It doesn't do anything silly like reencode it.

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Juski:

correct

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GreyFoxx:

mwtb: Correct

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mwtb:

Is anyone successfully watching a live DVB stream across 802.11g?

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GreyFoxx:

as long as you have good enough bandwidth that shouldn't be a problem

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s_g_robertson:

mwtb: I have had it working but it wasnt all that reliable, but I think that may have been my wireless card

[22:11:01]

mwtb:

Mine works for a few seconds andthen stalls. I can watch recorded video fine though. Seems odd.

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s_g_robertson:

i never noticed a difference between live and recorder, but I didn't use live very often

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Dagmar:

I *think* possibly the interaction between reiserfs and ivtv is worse than we thought

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Dagmar:

I replaced the power supply on my box, ran memtest86, no reboots during that

[22:18:49]

Dagmar:

...booted back to myth and *beep* three spontaneous reboots in under 10 minutes

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Dagmar:

Switched /root, /var, and /var/lib/mysql from reiserfs to ext3 (OH YES SUCH FUN) and no rebooting thus far

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Dagmar:

I'm converting /usr to ext3 now

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Dagmar:

...and by converting I mean copying the whole damn filesytsem over and back again. No one start asking me about bloody filesystem conversion utils that don't exist

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Dagmar:

This channel being logged has resulting in some of the most senseless emails I've ever seen

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Dagmar:

s/resulting/resulted/

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s_g_robertson:

right folks, thanks for all yout help. I'm away for the night.

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netrix:

anyone know why all my channels would be offset by 1? ie, channel 21 is 22 ect.

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Juski:

I think that's in the troubleshooting section of the docs

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Juski:

night, s_g_robertson

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netrix:

so it is.

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netrix:

thanks.

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Dagmar:

Juski: If this turns out to be a problem with reiserfsv3 on my box, I'm definitely noting it in the Wiki

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netrix:

if the tuner is detected wrong that would explain why the picture seemed a bit off too.

[22:28:15]

Juski:

Dagmar: I heard somewhere that reiserfs is recommended. fs choice should be left up to the induh-vidual IMHO (like distro choice)

[22:28:40]

Dagmar:

Juski: Well, I have been getting these weird race condition messages out of reiserfs from day one

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xris:

reiser? no one recommends reiser.

[22:28:45]

Juski:

but I guess on thing that isn't said often enough (assumed to be read between the lines maybe) is YMMV

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Dagmar:

...and I was using jfs for the recording

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Juski:

s/on/one

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Beirdo:

YKMV if yer metric

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Juski:

lol

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Dagmar:

Seems like there's some really strange interaction between ivtv and reiserfs because I ONLY get these messages when ivtv is loaded

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Juski:

weird

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Dagmar:

"corrupted recordings" may be the least of it

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Dagmar:

damnit

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Dagmar:

I'm going to miss recording Eureka again

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Dagmar:

I'm really going to have to set up some kind of P2P network with the local people in my area to distribute recordings that our various boxes miss when we're screwing around with them

[22:31:41]

kormoc:

Dagmar, that's cause they're currently developing v3 in the tree

[22:31:53]

sapbeast:

just dont tell the riaa/mpaa that

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Dagmar:

You are kidding me

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kormoc:

Dagmar, they're well aware of it (mentioned in a few times on the kernel mailing list)

[22:32:02]

Dagmar:

I thought thy were long done with that and were working on v4 now

[22:32:09]

kormoc:

nah, they're working on both

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Dagmar:

Dear god

[22:32:15]

** xris encourages everyone to go out and buy the sept. issue of linux world to look at the funny photo (advertisement) on page 63... it's me! **

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kormoc:

Dagmar, http://kerneltrap.org/comment/reply/6876

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kormoc:

Dagmar, "(Things like the bug

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kormoc:

affecting MythTV users on V3 at the moment just should not be

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kormoc:

happening. Experiments belong in V4, and I wish there was more respect

[22:32:37]

kormoc:

for my views on this.)"

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Dagmar:

xris: You looking to compete with San Mehat for "most photo'd geek" or something?

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xris:

s/linux world/linux journal/

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sapbeast:

im not sure about using reiser still...

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kormoc:

sapbeast, in my opinion, in short, don't

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Dagmar:

kormoc: I'm of the opinion that they should not be fucking around with what's supposed to be stable code

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sapbeast:

well i know i shouldnt, ive lost data in the past

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Dagmar:

...so we'd be in complete agreement on that

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sapbeast:

and i wont go back until they have made better progress

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Fnc_:

dangit i cant get fc4 to do init 3.. it hangs on some lm_sensors crap

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Dagmar:

I'm about to wash my hands of reiserfs forever (or at least several years) if this is what I can expect

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kormoc:

Reiser imho will never be happy for stability

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Dagmar:

It was an improvement in speed over ext3 which is why I started using it on my devel boxes

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sapbeast:

thats exactly the reason, ext3 may not be fast but its s-t-a-b-l-e

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kormoc:

they do very new ideas, and it does run fast, but there's been piles of bugs

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sapbeast:

and id rather have something thats more reliable... specifically i think the "single superblock" problem of reiser3 was rather comical

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kormoc:

and most of reiser's improvements get ported to other filesystems too

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sapbeast:

this is why i always shudder whenever i hear the magic words "code rewritten from scratch"

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mwtb:

If you watch a recording in progress, is there any way to stop it ending at the point it had reached when you started watching rather than the actual end of the recording?

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kormoc:

Dagmar, basically, if you read more on that link, the main issue is, your reiserfs is very very fragmented, and that's causing all the issues

[22:37:18]

kormoc:

and currently, there's no reiserfs defrag to run to fix it

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Juski:

mwtb: eh?

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Dagmar:

Oh I can fix it brutal way. I'll redo the fs as ext3

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Dagmar:

...and the thing can't really be all that fragmented. /dev/hda1 which was emitting the most errors was /

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Dagmar:

That literally got written to once in a row and only /boot has had any substantive changes

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mwtb:

Juski: If I start watching a programme that is still being recorded, and it is ten minutes in when I start watching, the playback will end at ten minutes, even though the recording is twenty minutes long by that time.

[22:38:51]

Dagmar:

Everything that matters has been on it's own fs separately. /home, /tmp, /usr, and /var

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kormoc:

maybe your bug is a different one then the one their talking bout then

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Dagmar:

Wouldn't suprise me considering that it only manifests when i've got ivtv up and active

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Juski:

mwtb: weird. normally when I start watching a show it'll play all the way through. is this on a remote frontend?

[22:39:50]

mwtb:

Juski: Yes. My laptop.

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Juski:

use ntp :)

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Dagmar:

Someone needs to write some documentation for ntpd in English

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sapbeast:

Dagmar: no kidding

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Dagmar:

...rather than in "Obsessive Timing Geek"

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sapbeast:

i think i spent several hours to setup ntpd the first time I attempted it

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sapbeast:

and made it sync right

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Dagmar:

I'd love to roll out a nice package of it for Slackware that automatically configures itself, but the docs are worse than the sendmail bat book

[22:41:10]

Juski:

mtwb sounds like the frontend is getting slightly ahead of itself and trying to pull the next few secs of video before it's been recorded

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mwtb:

Ntp, as in the protocol for synching clocks over the network?

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Juski:

I just set up ntp on all my machines, synced from the same servers on 'tinternet. seems fine

[22:41:57]

sapbeast:

mwtb: ntpd runs in the background and keeps the clock up to sync constantly... in fact its required for my mythbox because of hardware issues

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Dagmar:

Right at the top they need to explain what all the crazy little words they use *mean*

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mwtb:

Juski: The issue isn't a matter of seconds, it's minutes.

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sapbeast:

if i dont run ntpd, my hardware clock will be off by half an hour a day

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sapbeast:

which of course is pretty bad

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Dagmar:

Wow, mine only gets off by a minute or two

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Juski:

mwtb: try seeking through a recording lots... you might find you have issues

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sapbeast:

nforce2 is *exceptionally* bad at keeping correct time

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Juski:

and that'll be ntp, mwtb

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sapbeast:

literally every few minutes i see a re-sync of several seconds

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sapbeast:

if i tail the log

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Juski:

eew

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mwtb:

Juski: Okay, I shall have a dig about.

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Dagmar:

that sounds more like a hardware defect to me

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GreyFoxx:

sapbeast: Hehe my nf2 baord gets off by 9 seconds a day :)

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sapbeast:

well im not replacing the board just yet, so i just live with it

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sapbeast:

3 Aug 16:27:11 ntpd[10349]: time reset -4.129658 s

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sapbeast:

i see that quite often in the log

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Juski:

good point – I've not checked to see how well my system is synced lately

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Dagmar:

sapbeast: Any idea what they're talking about with clock skew and clock slew?

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sapbeast:

clock skew is when your clock runs too farking fast or slow

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sapbeast:

clock slew... im not exactly sure about what that means

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Dagmar:

That stuff is why I can't figure out the docs

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Dagmar:

I know a bunch of different methods for keeping a flawed clock in step. I used to use SGI machines.

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Dagmar:

I just don't know what the hell they're talking about in their docs

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sapbeast:

im going to guess that slew means its keeping time, but its offset

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sapbeast:

as in not losing seconds per day, but like 30 seconds off standard

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Juski:

I'd guess that slew means how fast it's changing

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Juski:

skew will be the offset

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Dagmar:

See, your ntpd is jumping the clock by several seconds at a stretch, which could actually make some things get screwed up

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mwtb:

Juski: It's definitely stopping at the end-point of the video at the time it starts playing it. Skipping about seems fine.

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Dagmar:

What should be happening is that ntpd should just be nudging the clock repeatedly so that it never gets more than a whole second off at a time

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Dagmar:

In theory there's a way to configure ntpd to do that... but the docs are opaque

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sapbeast:

yeah no kidding

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sapbeast:

my ntpd.conf maybe contains 10 lines, but getting there was a bitch

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sapbeast:

at least making an operable version

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Juski:

mwtb: I still think that's weird & shouldn't be happening

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Dagmar:

With the pool servers there's not much reason why we shoudln't be able to get some coarse location data from the user at install time and just set the thing up for them

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sapbeast:

my other linux machine apparently does not need ntpd, nforce4 chipset with athlon64... i assembled the computer about 2–3 weeks ago and have not set the date since... its maybe a few seconds off

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Juski:

and for DVB users, grab the DVB time info :-)

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Dagmar:

It basically should be a package that you should be able to drop into the system and clock issues go away on the next reboot

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sapbeast:

so apparently hardware mileage does vary

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Kichigai:

ntpdate?

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sapbeast:

Dagmar: probably worried about pissing people off... i think d-link *did* do what you described and got a few people angry with thier routers

[22:49:56]

Kichigai:

Anyone in here using Xebian?

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Dagmar:

sapbeast: Yeah, clock batteries can get low, and you can actually watch the time change worse if you push something up against the crystal

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Dagmar:

sapbeast: Actually the pool servers are to avoid that problem entirely4

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sapbeast:

temperature also affects it, quartz crystals at least

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Dagmar:

Like 0.us.pool.ntpd.org, 1.us.pool.ntpd.org and so forth

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Kichigai:

Dagmar, clock batteries are still better than capacitors. Leave your machine unplugged for >2 hrs, lose your time.

[22:50:54]

Kichigai:

I'm wondering if I can get anyone to lend me a hand with bootsplash on Xebian?

[22:50:58]

Dagmar:

If you use THOSE you're in a safe place pretty much no matter what. All you have to find out from the user is a coarse geographic region

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sapbeast:

Kichigai: thats not necessarily true these days, if you had a decent timekeeping class capacitor hooked up to the RTC and just that it could last for months

[22:51:29]

Dagmar:

WHo leaves their machine off for more than a few seconds? Heh

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Juski:

D-Link got into trouble for not using ntp pool though didn't they?

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Dagmar:

I didn't do it when I moved this time, but the last time just to be a smartass, I chained my UPSes to the firewall and just moved the thing without ever powering it down

[22:52:01]

sapbeast:

standby power is always there anyways since the advent of ATX, your mainboard has line power even when its off unless you unplug the damn thing

[22:52:07]

Kichigai:

sapbeast, just my experiences with the XBox. Microsoft probably just cheaped out on the caps.

[22:52:18]

Dagmar:

Juski: They got themselves into trouble by using a named server that wasn't even supposed to be useable for tier 2 stuff

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Juski:

heh

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sapbeast:

Kichigai: yes, dreamcast is the same fashion they use very simple caps that wont keep time after a day or two

[22:52:39]

sapbeast:

but they assumed that you would leave it plugged in all the time

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xris:

Dagmar: I shut my box down every night

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Dagmar:

The pool.ntp.org names for servers are specifically for end user type stuff

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Dagmar:

They round-robin to a bunch of open timeservers

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Kichigai:

sapbeast, yeah, I still have a Dreamcast, but it looks like those things had caps with greater capacity than the XBox.

[22:53:40]

Kichigai:

either that, or a more efficient clock.

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Dagmar:

The only reason you stick 0. 1., 2., and so in in front of them is to make sure the resolver doesn't cache the first response and just hit the same one ten times or something

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Juski:

yeh I managed to glean at least _that_ from the ntp docs :)

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sapbeast:

Kichigai: it really depends, for some older pinball games ive read repair docs where you could replace the sram battery with a capacitor that would last at least a month

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sapbeast:

which in such cases is far better than damaging your irreplacable boards

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Kichigai:

sapbeast, for now, I'll just blame MS being cheap :D (they make such a wonderful scape goat)

[22:54:58]

sapbeast:

wonderful scape goat but i still work with them every day... at least thier products... times a thousand

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Juski:

hmmm scape-goatse

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Kichigai:

>.<

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Kichigai:

So, no Xebian users in here?

[22:55:31]

Juski:

Kichigai: I've used xebian. linux on the xbox sucks

[22:55:33]

sapbeast:

at least if i recommended ubuntu or some other popular distro to my boss id probably not have a job the next day

[22:56:08]

Juski:

Kichigai: IMHO best solution for mythtv on the xbox is XBMC (ouch) and xbmcmythtv (but no live tv)

[22:56:14]

GreyFoxx:

hehIt's the reverse at my work :)

[22:56:23]

sapbeast:

i just use my xbox for emulators and not much else... good replacement for a half dozen old consoles that now sit in storage in my garage

[22:56:25]

Kichigai:

Juski, I find Myth on Xebian better than XBMC's Myth scripts.

[22:56:28]

GreyFoxx:

or if anything they'd send me home thinking I was sick :)

[22:56:42]

Kichigai:

Juski, that, and the inability to schedule or edit anything.

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Kichigai:

I'm wondering if anyone knew jack about messing with bootsplash on Xebian via the XBE launcher.

[22:57:11]

Juski:

Kichigai: FWIW, the xbox is incapable of being fast enough to be usable. The lack of usable RAM is pitiful

[22:57:42]

sapbeast:

64MB of ram, and not all of it is user accessible :/

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sapbeast:

xbox was made in the days of expensive sdram

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Juski:

but I imagine getting bootsplash working on xebian will be fairly similar to getting it working on debian

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Kichigai:

I've been using it for quite a while. I'd love to see XBMC-like responsiveness out of it, but I've been living with half second menu lag (only if you let it idle for a while) for quite a few months.

[22:58:24]

Juski:

by the time the GPU has taken its slice of RAM you're left with 32MB

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sapbeast:

eventually we may see a better way to an easier inexpensive htpc than hacking the xbox

[22:58:58]

Kichigai:

I dunno, according to the XBMC stats pop-up, you get a >50% chunk of that RAM.

[22:59:23]

qfour:

I'm wondering if anyone has had problems with lirc where the device (/dev/lirc/0) does not exist

[22:59:27]

sapbeast:

well xbox memory is shared, the gpu memory can be set to whatever is needed

[22:59:27]

Kichigai:

And my XBox is giving Linux about 58 MB of RAM to use.

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Kichigai:

Yeah, I know. It sucks.

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Juski:

qfour: yup. you can tell lircd which device to use. it might be /dev/lirc or /dev/lirc0

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sapbeast:

well other than spending hundereds on a nice htpc case from lian-li or silverstone or whomever else... and then the necessary hardware to work properly

[23:00:30]

sapbeast:

the do it yourself htcp is still a rather involving task

[23:00:34]

sapbeast:

h t p c

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Dagmar:

If you have a /dev/lirc0 and not a /dev/lirc it's time to spank udev a little

[23:00:52]

Kichigai:

Anyway, it's cheaper for me to use my XBox than it is for me to get another PC and put in some TV-Out hardware.

[23:00:57]

Juski:

still a very distinct lack of htpc cases with front IR receiver windows

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sapbeast:

Juski: no farking joke there

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sapbeast:

only a very few with a decent VFD to begin with also

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Kichigai:

You know, I never noticed that.

[23:01:24]

Juski:

<8 my t-online s100

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Juski:

pah! VFDs.. if I wanna see info I look at the telly :)

[23:01:58]

sapbeast:

my mythbox is quite a huge monster since its just an old thermaltake case of mine... but since I have no tv and since it does not move it doesnt matter to me ... yet

[23:02:14]

Kichigai:

I want to build a Via M800 machine to become a new Myth front/backend.

[23:02:14]

sapbeast:

and it runs minor tasks outside mythtv

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qfour:

Juski: I'm using udev, so it should be /dev/lirc/0, but the file doesn't exist

[23:02:34]

Kichigai:

I just wish I had money to spend. :(

[23:02:36]

Juski:

when I've modded my s100 to have a dvdrom drive I might just retire my epia system

[23:02:43]

sapbeast:

qfour: lirc has to be compiled with the driver that your remote uses

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sapbeast:

i had that problem when i first attempted to setup lirc... i was using mceusb when really i needed mceusb2

[23:03:23]

sapbeast:

otherwise you will never have a /dev/lirc/whatever

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qfour:

sapbeast: I have "lirc_devices_hauppauge" as a use flag in make.conf

[23:03:45]

Juski:

I've had lirc_serial make the wrong thing... so I symlinked /dev/lirc0 to /dev/lirc/0 (naughty but it worked)

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qfour:

and when i compile it, i see it configuring lirc --with_driver=hauppauge

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sapbeast:

should be LIRC_DEVICES="hauppauge" now

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sapbeast:

with the newer versions

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sapbeast:

they changed the use flags recently

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qfour:

let me try that

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sapbeast:

emerge -pv lirc to verify its there

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mwtb:

I'm not sure there's any point in me geting a pretty case seeing as it would still have the Heath Robinson USB-UIRT dangling out the front to control the NTL STB.

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Dagmar:

Ugh. How do you get /dev/lirc/0 ?

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sapbeast:

Juski: i just looked that thing up... im guessing thats a european thing set-top box from t-mobile?

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qfour:

Dagmar: I think i'm having the same problem you are

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sapbeast:

EXT3-fs warning (device hda8): ext3_dx_add_entry: Directory index full!

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sapbeast:

oh that cant be good

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qfour:

Dagmar: /dev/lirc/0 doesn't exist?

[23:06:43]

Dagmar:

qfour: What problem

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sapbeast:

what the fark does that mean?

[23:06:53]

Juski:

mwtb: they haven't rolled out the 'improvements' to digital tv in your area yet have they? got much slower channel changes now. slower than dvb changes in 0.19 !

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Dagmar:

I don't need or WANT a subdirectory in the form of /dev/lirc/

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Dagmar:

qfour: Do you have a /dev/lirc* at all?

[23:07:06]

qfour:

Dagmar: you asked "how do you get /dev/lirc/30"

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qfour:

i have /dev/lircd

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qfour:

that's it

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I wanted to know what's making that a subdir instead of sensibly making /dev/lirc0, /dev/lirc1

[23:07:28]

qfour:

hauppauge card...

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niklas_e:

anyone know if a hauppauge WinTV PVR 500 mce works under linux (and with both tuners)?

[23:07:46]

qfour:

the subdir is because you're using udev

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Juski:

niklas_e: yes

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Dagmar:

qfour: Then if you're using a newer 2.6.x kernel udev should have created the right thing the moment the kernel module was loaded. You should have two modules loading for lirc. One named lirc_dev and one named lirc_whatever

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Dagmar:

qfour: Make sure they're loaded

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sapbeast:

must me something with dir_index going on... thats strange error message

[23:08:40]

Dagmar:

My udev doens't make subdir'd entries out of it

[23:08:45]

mwtb:

Juski: I have no idea. I have only just got the DVB card and I haven't actually used my NTL box manually for months. I pretty much watch all my TV on computers.

[23:08:48]

Juski:

niklas_e: but take note: some (with Samsung tuners) might give you trouble – but all those troubles _should_ now be fixed according to the ivtv-devel mailing list

[23:09:04]

qfour:

when i insert lirc-i2c, i don't get any new things in /dev

[23:09:21]

Juski:

mwtb: it's a bloody shame we can't use dvb-c tuners on UK cable. that would be SO nice

[23:09:31]

Dagmar:

...mainly because my udev doesn't have the first clue about lirc, so it defaults to name(number)

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niklas_e:

Juski: ok, I'm thinking of buying one

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Dagmar:

qfour: So make them manually

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qfour:

i'm gonna emerge sync and try again with whatever's new in portage

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Dagmar:

Oh that's the problem... Gentoo

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qfour:

manually: d/l lirc and compile by hand?

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Kichigai:

qfour, yep.

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Kichigai:

That's "manually"

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Dagmar:

. o O ( and maybe learn how this stuff actually works )

[23:12:07]

Kichigai:

Not too pleasant, but it could be worse: you could have to CODE IT.

[23:12:18]

b8zs:

so the Zap2it service doesnt include channel icons?

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Kichigai:

b8zs, kind of. There's a script you can use to grab channel icons for your area.

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Kichigai:

Check the documentation, everything you need to know will be there.

[23:12:57]

b8zs:

i read the docs, it says i need XMLTV

[23:13:05]

mwtb:

Juski: Nearly every company in the business of delivering content is on the path of making it their business to stop you having that level of control over the way you use it. PVR STBs being standard issue is the best you can hope for. If you're lucky, there will be an analogue output that we can re-encode so we can redistribute across our LANs.

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b8zs:

but i thought zap2it did everything :/

[23:13:26]

Juski:

heh I know only too well, mwtb ;-)

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Kichigai:

b8zs, it does everything. Channel icons just isn't a part of the service.

[23:14:00]

Kichigai:

It's just three extra steps, it's not that hard.

[23:14:07]

Kichigai:

I managed to pull it off with KnoppMyth.

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b8zs:

oh, I think I need to compile XMLTV then

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b8zs:

im just confused because I was thinking XMLTV was an alternative to Zap2it

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Kichigai:

It is, kinda.

[23:16:27]

Kichigai:

Zap2It is just a data provider, not the app.

[23:16:36]

b8zs:

and it appears that my zap2it subscription ends in Sep.

[23:16:41]

Kichigai:

Yeah.

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Kichigai:

So?

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Dagmar:

No big deal there.

[23:16:50]

Kichigai:

Just renew.

[23:16:53]

b8zs:

Is it free?

[23:16:56]

Kichigai:

Always.

[23:16:56]

Dagmar:

You just go fill out another survey is all

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b8zs:

O

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Kichigai:

For Myth users.

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b8zs:

cool

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Dagmar:

That's the "fee". We fill out short surveys

[23:17:16]

Kichigai:

OH GOD! NOT THE SURVEY!

[23:17:24]

Dagmar:

Honestly, I can see it being incorporated as a myth module at some point

[23:17:27]

b8zs:

So is there a way to grab icons with Zap2it, or do i *need* xmltv

[23:17:37]

Dagmar:

You need xmltv either way

[23:17:39]

Kichigai:

You probably need XMLTV.

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b8zs:

the docs make it seem like xmltv is already installed

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b8zs:

oh

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Dagmar:

...since that's what's used to get scheduling info from zap2itr

[23:18:01]

Kichigai:

Yep.

[23:18:07]

Kichigai:

You just don't know you have it.

[23:18:13]

Kichigai:

b8zs, what distro are you using?

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Dagmar:

THey have icons up there on their site. There's a script that comes with it you can use to grab them, when it's not broken

[23:18:21]

Dagmar:

The icons are "lackluster"

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Kichigai:

I find them accurate to the network (though missing a few channels.

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b8zs:

Kichigai, GentooX

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Kichigai:

Oh.

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GreyFoxx:

There was another script for grabbing much nicer ones from lyngsat, but I don't have it laying aroundanymore. It was on the -users list

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Kichigai:

XBox?

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b8zs:

ya

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Kichigai:

K.

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Kichigai:

Is GentooX any good?

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b8zs:

works well for my frontend

[23:19:31]

Kichigai:

I've used Debian for eons, and I considered trying GentooX.

[23:19:35]

b8zs:

but I have 128MB of ram on my xbox

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Kichigai:

Lucky b-- I mean good for you!

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b8zs:

and the gentoox maintainer is really active

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Kichigai:

*hides knife behind back* I'm not planning to steal your XBox.

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b8zs:

But for some reason its still using 114MB of ram

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Kichigai:

Because graphics RAM is shared with central RAM.

[23:20:38]

b8zs:

do I need to run xfce or a WM for that matter at all?

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b8zs:

or just X

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GreyFoxx:

b8zs: You reallyshould run a minimal WM of some sort to avoid focus issues

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Kichigai:

Just X, I think.

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b8zs:

ya Im using XFCCE

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Kichigai:

That's all that my Xebian thing does.

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b8zs:

ok cool

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b8zs:

that will save me some mem

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qfour:

awesome... for some reason, unmerging, emerging sync, the re-merging lirc worked. same version. now to get lircd.conf set up

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GreyFoxx:

I just use icewm on all of mine

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b8zs:

qfour, on your xbox?

[23:21:37]

qfour:

thanks a million for the help, everyone. mythtv (and its community) rock!

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Kichigai:

I think we knew that.

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Kichigai:

But it's a welcome comment.

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qfour:

b8zs: no, on an athlon system

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b8zs:

is this picture pausing live-tv or pausing pre-recorded content? : http://mythtv.sourceforge.net/mc/visorosdtwo.png

[23:22:22]

Kichigai:

Does it matter?

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b8zs:

cause when pausing live-tv I get a box thats not that useful

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GreyFoxx:

LiveTV

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Kichigai:

The interface will be the same either way.

[23:22:38]

Kichigai:

That's LiveTV on 0.18

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b8zs:

im using .19

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b8zs:

and get this:http://mythtv.sourceforge.net/mc/blueosdtwo.png

[23:22:55]

Kichigai:

It'll be a bit different.

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b8zs:

which kinda sucks

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Kichigai:

So change it.

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b8zs:

I can?

[23:23:19]

Kichigai:

...yes.

[23:23:25]

Kichigai:

MythThemes.

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b8zs:

i dont know QT

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Kichigai:

there's a setting for it.

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Kichigai:

In "Appearances"

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Kichigai:

Say, whatever happened to the Visor theme?

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GreyFoxx:

You can change the theme, AND you can change the OSD theme (in another menu)

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regicide666:

I have a problem were some times when I change channel on the same input or fast forward or even pause then resume my audio gets all screwed up. Anyone know where I could look to figure out what is causeing it?

[23:24:50]

GreyFoxx:

b8zs: You can download a few different themes and OSD's, but other than the OSD I use I don't remember the other URLS offhand

[23:25:22]

Juski:

www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem for the greyest (gheyest?) theme in town :)

[23:25:29]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/osd/ for the best OSD , imho ;)

[23:25:41]

b8zs:

Is the clock affected by the OSD setting? Cause my Clock gets cut-off by the edge of the screen

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GreyFoxx:

but I'm biased hehe

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Kichigai:

Does Visor still work with 0.19-fixes?

[23:26:36]

GreyFoxx:

Haven't heard anyone even mention Visor in a long time

[23:26:40]

Kichigai:

I kinda liked Grayhem, but it was kinda clunky compared to what it was based on.

[23:26:55]

Juski:

yeh that's not my fault though

[23:27:13]

Juski:

and that is changing, slowly. the ui will get nicer eventually

[23:27:25]

Kichigai:

Yeah, and I'll need a new front-end to use it.

[23:27:51]

Kichigai:

Comcast damn the XBox's weird GPU

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Juski:

no opengl on xebian? ouch

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basic:

im wondering about how many hours ~150gb could hold of mpeg4 tv

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Kichigai:

Nope, the goofy GPU screws it all up.

[23:28:10]

Kichigai:

basic, what bitrate?

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basic:

i dunno, 2500?

[23:28:27]

Juski:

basic: depends what 'quality' you want. mobile phone tv.. that could be like 1500 hours :-P

[23:28:34]

Kichigai:

A billion!

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basic:

haha

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basic:

well its not hdtv

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Juski:

typical settings are about 2GB/hr iirc

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Juski:

so you do the math

[23:29:08]

Kichigai:

I find that 2GB/hr is typical for MPEG-2

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basic:

even for mpeg4?

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Kichigai:

MPEG-4 is often half of that.

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basic:

ok

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basic:

so about 150 hours

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Kichigai:

Though, I've seen MPEG-4 at viewable quality at about 350 MB/hr.

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Juski:

remember it's being encoded realtime

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basic:

through the tv card

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Kichigai:

Not into MPEG-4

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basic:

which brings me to my next question...is the plextor convertx the only one that does mpeg4 real time?

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Kichigai:

Yep.

[23:30:05]

Kichigai:

so far.

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basic:

okay

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Juski:

well, I'd say you have a questionable opinion on what 'watchable' is ;)

[23:31:07]

Kichigai:

On a TV?

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Kichigai:

350 MB/hr is good enough.

[23:31:24]

Kichigai:

175 MB/hr is "passable," but with noticable quality degredation.

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Juski:

yeh but with realtime software encoding, I wouldn't want to watch that

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Dagmar:

looks like ass

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Dagmar:

I'm more fond of keeping things around 700Mb an hour

[23:32:17]

Dagmar:

[175Mb/hr you might as well be watching a crappy webcam streaming it

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basic:

well i think that 150 hours is PLENTY of record time

[23:32:22]

Juski:

I often say "disk space has never been so cheap, so fill 'er up"

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basic:

if i run out of space i can just buy more

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Dagmar:

basic: I'm kind of surprise you have a 150Gb drive since the price points lean towards getting a 250Gb now, but yeah, 160Gb should be plenty

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Dagmar:

s/suprise/suprised/;

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basic:

two 80gb

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Dagmar:

Ah

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basic:

old leftovers

[23:33:08]

Dagmar:

Stripe them

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basic:

exactly

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Juski:

137 programs, using 229 GB (143 hrs 16 mins) out of 458 GB (202 GB free). damn I still need to watch more

[23:33:46]

Dagmar:

Id' be getting behind if it weren't for all those damn reboots

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basic:

i got real lucky actually, old p4 2.0a with 1gb of rambus..two 80gb hd's and a usb 2.0 pci card for building my cousin a newer computer

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Dagmar:

AS it is I have a whole LOT of recordings that are only five minutes long, or worse... the ones that are 52 @#$%@ minutes long

[23:34:20]

Dagmar:

That Frankenstien movie that was on last week was pretty good

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Dagmar:

I have no idea how it ended tho

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Juski:

heheh. new feature request.. do IMDB lookups on failed movie recordings so at least you can find out what happens :-P

[23:35:08]

Dagmar:

If this machine goes 24 hours without freaking out, I'm going to only have nasty things to say about using reiserfs anywhere on a MythTV box

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basic:

what fs are you using now? ext3?

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Dagmar:

I'm so far behind on my project timeline it's sad. I expected to be working out how to maybe get HAL poking at Myth when a DVD is inserted by now

[23:36:02]

GreyFoxx:

heh I've had enough bad experiences with reiser over the years I wont touch it unless I have no choice

[23:36:20]

GreyFoxx:

What's HAL ?

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Dagmar:

What peeves me is that this isn't the first time they've gone and started screwing around with the 'stable' code

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Juski:

hardware abstraction layer?

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Dagmar:

HAL "hardware abstraction layer"

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Dagmar:

If you have HAL and messagebus around, cool things like automounting of media happen in Gnome and KDE

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sapbeast:

i refuse to use reiserfs after losing data to thier bullshiat idea of "single superblock"

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: Ahhh

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Dagmar:

...and the guy wonders why Linus was so against putting reiserfsv4 into the kernel

[23:37:20]

GreyFoxx:

I thought myth already had something similar

[23:37:43]

Dagmar:

Well, I'd like to see a new popup widget happen with MythTV having messagebus support

[23:37:59]

Dagmar:

So like, if new email comes in, a little envelope will float up the corner of the screen or something

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sapbeast:

im not going to cry over the lost data because i had a backup, but the fact that reiserfs 3 has a single superblock and yet even archaic FAT from windows uses a mirror copy of the table... i find that to be utterly unacceptable despite reiserfs's "performance advantage"

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GreyFoxx:

You can do something similar using the mythtvosd stuff now,but something more appealing like you jsut described would be nice

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Dagmar:

sapbeast: I think I just pissed away all that saved "performance" time having to change three filesystems back to ext3

[23:39:14]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: messagebus is really easy to work with is the main thing

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sapbeast:

Dagmar: i think its a tasteless expression but I heard someone call reiserfs "ricerfs"

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sapbeast:

yet I agree to an extent

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GreyFoxx:

My wife lives the callerid popup when we are watching something. If it's her mom she knows she can ignore the call until the show is done :)(

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Dagmar:

...but I very much would like to set up some admin scripts in the background to do things like monitor smartd and IMMEDIATELY alert the user if something needs to be brought to their attention

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basic:

hmm, whats the best way to configure a digital cable box to change channels through myth..ir blaster? or is there a way to do it via serial

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GreyFoxx:

s/lives/loves

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Dagmar:

basic: Firewire, not serial. Blaster if you don't have firewire

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basic:

i dont think the motorolla ones that comcast gives us have firewire

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GreyFoxx:

Assuming they don't disable the serial port you can send channel change commands overit, scripts existthat you can get myth to use to change channels thatway. But there isnothing built right into myth to do it over serial

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Dagmar:

basic: Look on the back of it. If it's digital, Comcast is required by the FCC to make a firewire port available

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basic:

huh, i didnt know that

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Dagmar:

basic: You might have to take your box down to one of their offices and swap it out for one _with_ a firewire port on it, but there's no fee for that

[23:44:18]

Dagmar:

You can even get unencrypted channels over the firewire port

[23:44:34]

Dagmar:

...which can be a bit like drinking from the firehose if your box is slow

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Dagmar:

It mainly depends on how wide a signal they're sending

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Dagmar:

Stuff like the Home Shopping Network will be heavily compressed and not amount to much data.

[23:45:39]

Dagmar:

HBO on the other hand... THAT will be a lot of data per minute

[23:46:08]

Dagmar:

One of my local people is one of the guys who sets those parameters for the franchise here

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Dagmar:

Mainly they give the most watched channels the most bandwidth

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sapbeast:

HSN and such are mostly static images too... so in a sense they are guaging the bandwidth to the content

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** sapbeast remembers when HSN just started and had the crappiest demoes and production values... god im old **

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regicide666:

How hard is it to get the cable company to give you an hdtv set top box with firewire? I read a thing on Time warners site that said they had to have an installer install it and they will only install it to a display.

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Dagmar:

it's called "lazy, greedy bitches"

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Dagmar:

sapbeast: They STILL have crappy production values

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Dagmar:

I've seen footage of them _breaking_ a sword they flat out claimed was stage-combat certified

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sapbeast:

oh that... yeah ive seen that too

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sapbeast:

but "a fool and his money are soon parted"

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Dagmar:

There's no way that was stage-combat certified weaponry

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Dagmar:

That same dude has stabbed himself in the leg with a short katana before (can't remember the proper name) too

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Dagmar:

wakizashi?

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sapbeast:

well regardless, i actually find it surprising that they stay afloat anymore because of al gores invention

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

I find that claim really amusing considering I laid in the cable and router for some of his early presentations in TN schools

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sapbeast:

although maybe i should not complain, QVC did that thing where they had the exclusive retro C64 system in a controller

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sapbeast:

which was mana from heaven for old timer geeks

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Dagmar:

Gaffes or not Gore mostly knows his stuff

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Dagmar:

I don't think he's ever going to get out from under that "I invented the INternet" thing tho. Heh

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sapbeast:

well its a misquote anyways

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sapbeast:

like "luke, i am your father"

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sapbeast:

no such thing

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sapbeast:

but it makes for a good joke anyways

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