Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, August 2nd, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Juski:

select value, data from settings where value like "%lang%";

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jjm-h2:

*heh*

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jjm-h2:

CZ

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Juski:

if it doesn't say EN in there, change-ify it :-)

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Juski:

update set settings ... damn can't remember the rest...

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jjm-h2:

EN I can change... any clues what "aar" is?

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Juski:

afar

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Juski:

I've got that.. secondary & tertiary guide languages.. dunno what that's all about but afar is the default

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Juski:

soo..

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jjm-h2:

so what might the equivalent of "en_US" be?

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Juski:

UPDATE settings SET data='EN' WHERE data='CZ';

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Juski:

(I think)

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Juski:

EN will at least get it readable so when you run mythfrontend you can change it properly

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jjm-h2:

Actually: update settings set data=EN where value='Language';

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Juski:

yeh!

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Juski:

you catch on fast

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jjm-h2:

(I don't know mysql... but I do know Oracle pretty well...)

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jjm-h2:

ok... so do I need to worry about the "ISO639Language?" values?

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Juski:

don't think so

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Juski:

I've never changed mine & don't seem to have any problems

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jjm-h2:

ok

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jjm-h2:

well, I'll fire it up and see if that changes things.

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Juski:

if anyone could explain wth they're for I'd appreciate it :-)

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jjm-h2:

wonderful... that seems to have fixed it!

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jjm-h2:

Thanks, all.

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Juski:

ahhh.. they're 'guide language' #1 and #2

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jjm-h2:

now to work on the PXEboot for the EPIA box...

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jjm-h2:

:)

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Juski:

minimyth?

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jjm-h2:

nope

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Juski:

oo you really wanna consider it

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jjm-h2:

doing a full front end... PXE boot + nfs (no tuners local to the box)

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Juski:

that's what minimyth is, bar a couple of plugins

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Juski:

very very nifty

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jjm-h2:

hm... ok... I'll look into it.

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jjm-h2:

thanks

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Juski:

mythfrontend, mythmusic, mythvideo, mythnews, mythstream, mythgallery...

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jjm-h2:

sweet...

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Juski:

www.linpvr.org/forum

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jjm-h2:

I've gotta run... (if I want dinner!)

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jjm-h2:

thanks again!

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Juski:

lastly... where to get minimyth: http://linpvr.org/dnload/releases/

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Juski:

have fun, and glad to be of help :)

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Juski:

night all

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cliffd:

how do I make it so the black bars around the entire picture are gone? I tried changing the overscan but It only gets so close and leaves noticable bars on every side

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xris:

you can't make the overscan go wide instead of narrow?

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cliffd:

xris: I only have 1 bar for overscan

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cliffd:

is there a clean way to bring down mythbackend?

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GreyFoxx:

kill It's PID

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kormoc:

or if you have a init.d script, /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart (as root of course)

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GreyFoxx:

which is likely killing it's pid :)

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cliffd:

ok, so there is no special process that needs to be done

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GreyFoxx:

nope, a regular kill signal does the trick

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, true, but least the init.d/sysv knows what happened :P

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cliffd:

also this kind of worries me, the first time i use wathc live tv it works, but if i esc out and look at some settings or something or pre recoreded stuff it then wont let me go back o watch live tv

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cliffd:

brb, gaim is going nutz

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cliffd:

thats better.

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cliffd:

it says reconnection to back end server failed and Invalid file (fd 17) when opening '/video/1010_20060801173000.mpg'.

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SlicerDicer-:

hey xris you here?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: do you use the builtin transcoder for hd stuff to slice out fluff? cause I want to remove about 45mins of hd recording that was overrecord

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SlicerDicer-:

its eating a ton of space that is not needed hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

I am wondering if you had used it and had luck.

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riddlebox:

hrmm anyone setup lirc in ubuntu?

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Dagmar:

It's the same everywhere.

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Dagmar:

What have you _done_ and what's not working?

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: yeah, for some programs

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xris:

it works sometimes.

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: it seems for anything large it does not work at all

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SlicerDicer-:

but for small stuff it does

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xris:

recent changes in svn seem to fix the others, but introduce a little flakiness

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SlicerDicer-:

hmm

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SlicerDicer-:

alright

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xris:

nah, it's the specific stream that causes problems

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh ok

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I will just wait for .20 and hope

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SlicerDicer-:

I dont want to destabilize my system hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

I got enough that can go wrong without me touching it ;-)

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cliffd:

xris: when my pvr start ups, it shows the nvidia logo at "full screen" with minimal amount of black bars around on all sides, but as sson as gdm and then kde are in use it revers to a smaller screen with lots of black bars that is shaped like ( ) that

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Dagmar:

Well, if you got rid of the nVidia splash you woudln't have the comparison to fuss about anymore. :)

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GreyFoxx:

Man, not often you get a 960KB+ torrent. I picked the right knoppix mirror heh

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GreyFoxx:

Damn, 1MB now... nice

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cliffd:

Dagmar: then I wouldnt know what was right :(

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Dagmar:

cliffd: Sounds like your startup stuff is invoking nvidia-setup, which is pulling profile info for the display that's not quite right.

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regicide666:

Anyone know why I lose my audio when I change channels? It is not all lost but it stutters and makes a sound every once in a while and it is only after live tv for about a minute

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Dagmar:

clifd: Check and see if you ahve an obviously-named ~/.nvidia-* file

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k-man:

i notice that the number of outsanding bugs for 0.20 is dropping

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k-man:

does that mean we might see 0.20 soon

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k-man:

?

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Dagmar:

Eventually

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Dagmar:

Maybe before 2008

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k-man:

cool!

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Dagmar:

er 20099

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k-man:

hehe

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

can't wait that long

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k-man:

;)

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Dagmar:

It'll take longer the more often people ask about it

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k-man:

i wish there was a graph of the number of bugs closed daily

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k-man:

vs the number of new bugs

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k-man:

reported

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k-man:

i like pretty graphs

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Dagmar:

I'm still working on itemizing the bugs in 0.19 so I can be sure which ones are new, and which ones have been reported when I jump up to HEAD

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

you work on the code?

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Dagmar:

I build Slackware packages

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k-man:

oh

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Anduin:

k-man: .20 should be in a few weeks

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k-man:

ok

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k-man:

Anduin, really? that soon?

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k-man:

or is that "few weeks" in developer time? ;)

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k-man:

having been a developer of software once, i know how those weeks can blow out

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Anduin:

k-man: If everything happens as scheduled, two+ weeks from now.

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k-man:

wow

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k-man:

do you work on the code Anduin?

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Anduin:

k-man: Not really.

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k-man:

are there many new features in .20?

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k-man:

man, theres a lot of changes in that list

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k-man:

im amazed how much dev gets done on mytthv

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Anduin:

Yeah, people love their TV.

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k-man:

yeah

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k-man:

man, i broke mine a few days ago... and i tell you, its pretty bad having to go back to normal tv until i fixed it

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Anduin:

I agree, no time stretch there, bleh.

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k-man:

you use time strecth?

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k-man:

i never use it

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Anduin:

k-man: Skipping commercials is a minor feature compared to time stretch.

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k-man:

why?

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k-man:

when you say time stretch, you are refering to playing back at a slower speed?

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GreyFoxx:

he likely means a faster than normal speed :)

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** GreyFoxx often plays at 1.3 or 1.4 **

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Anduin:

k-man: faster, pitch adjusted, skipping skips, time stretch makes you get content in less time.

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Anduin:

k-man: Hit the 'a' key while playing and see.

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

ok

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k-man:

so you watch shows faster?

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k-man:

so a 30 minute show takes what? 20 minuets?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: that is a pain with ticket #1648

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I wonder if it would be easiest to spit you back to default channel insted of bashing you out to menu

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Anduin:

Or less, fast + commercial skip can get things like the evening news down to 20 minutes.

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k-man:

very interesting

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k-man:

and it feels the same?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: that makes me mad though... at myself I should report flaws!!!! ARGH!!! ;-)

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Anduin:

k-man: Well, not exactly the same, it grows on you though.

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k-man:

hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

Anduin: commercials are so boring when you have mythtv :)

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SlicerDicer-:

makes you want to reach out and stab the tv when you are forced to watch them!

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SlicerDicer-:

stab I say stab!

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k-man:

yes, i concur

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k-man:

although occasionaly, when im not concentrating,

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k-man:

i find i forget to skip the ads for a minute

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Anduin:

skipping commercials takes too much interaction at times

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SlicerDicer-:

commercial autoskip rocks though

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SlicerDicer-:

I use that

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k-man:

in australia?

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SlicerDicer-:

why would it not work? its built into mythtv

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SlicerDicer-:

or are you not using mythtv?

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k-man:

what is autoskip?

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k-man:

is that where it detects the adds?

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k-man:

or something else?

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Anduin:

k-man: It can auto skip, or prompt when it detects a flag point.

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SlicerDicer-:

k-man: you should be able to use foxtel or anything you want with mythtv hell even OTA "Ten" or somesuch should work

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SlicerDicer-:

k-man: there is programming information you can feed mythtv for australia

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k-man:

SlicerDicer-, not sure what you are refering to

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SlicerDicer-:

I cant remember where it is offhand but I have seen it

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k-man:

i have australian programming info

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k-man:

and im using it

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k-man:

just never tried using the commercial flagging stuff

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k-man:

if thats what you are refering to?

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SlicerDicer-:

ohhhh

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah that is :)

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k-man:

i should give it a go sometime

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k-man:

i think i need a new remote

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SlicerDicer-:

the commercial autoflag is what I am talking about then you can just select commercial autoskip

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k-man:

my remote doesn't have enough keys on it

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k-man:

oh, i see

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SlicerDicer-:

or you can go as far as I do and set it to flag commercials then go in edit it with the basic editor and hack out the commericals

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

then they are gone permanantly

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k-man:

doesn't it require a fair bit of grunt to do the flagging?

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SlicerDicer-:

no it autoflags

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SlicerDicer-:

it is not perfect though

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SlicerDicer-:

it will miss some things but all in all I do think its quite robust for what it does

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k-man:

yeah.... what does it use to decide when they start?

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SlicerDicer-:

well you can specify

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SlicerDicer-:

hang on

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SlicerDicer-:

will tell ya

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SlicerDicer-:

I use "blank frame + scene change detection" to locate commercials

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Anduin:

k-man: all parth of mythcommflag (it can use several things, like scene changes, logos, etc)

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

right

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SlicerDicer-:

you can also have it detect logos

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k-man:

cos they don't put the logo on during commercials?

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SlicerDicer-:

or all of them

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SlicerDicer-:

indeed

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k-man:

right

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k-man:

very interesting

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k-man:

nice of them to put that little helper in for us

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SlicerDicer-:

:)

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SlicerDicer-:

so you just have it auto flag

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k-man:

how much cpu does it require?

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SlicerDicer-:

I would advise against auto transcode

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k-man:

so i should turn on auto flagging?

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k-man:

ok

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SlicerDicer-:

well you can specify how much power jobs in the queue run

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k-man:

flagging is not too cpu intensive?

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k-man:

oh, ok

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SlicerDicer-:

it can run at low power or high power you just specify

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SlicerDicer-:

my backend runs a 3500+ AMD64 and I can flag commercials at about 500fps but I run at full speed on the cpu

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SlicerDicer-:

but if you use hardware encoding or firewire you can due to the cpu being barely used

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cliffd:

so, this is strange the first time i do watch live tv, it works then if i to the main menu and then go back into match live tv it says it cant connect to the backend, which is on just the one system

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SlicerDicer-:

but if you use software encoding I would not advise that as it might impact recordings

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SlicerDicer-:

k-man: I hope that helped :)

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SlicerDicer-:

check under tv general settings you should find commerical detection there

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SlicerDicer-:

just like I said I would not advise autotranscode

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SlicerDicer-:

I always manually go open the video press 'e' while its playing press X and locate the commerical chop points and verify that they are not going to nuke data, then I run the transcoding profile from mpeg2 to mpeg2 just to mirror copy it but yank out the chopped portions. its quite simple to do but I would experiment with transcoding on something you dont care about

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SlicerDicer-:

such as recording a episode of neighbors or something

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SlicerDicer-:

hack it to peices and mess with transcoding ;-)

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k-man:

hehe

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k-man:

ok

[01:42:45]

k-man:

so mpeg2 to mpeg2 should take very little cpu?

[01:43:00]

k-man:

i think i need a proper wireless keyboard

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SlicerDicer-:

dunno how much it takes

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Kichigai:

k-man: depends.

[01:43:11]

SlicerDicer-:

my backend has balls so I dont really notice it hehe

[01:43:15]

k-man:

its too hard to do all that stuff from a remote

[01:43:20]

Kichigai:

If it's "lossless" it shouldn't.

[01:43:40]

SlicerDicer-:

k-man: yeah I run mythfrontend on this computer and hackchop it all here

[01:43:48]

SlicerDicer-:

then I dont have to do it to the ones attached to the tv

[01:44:23]

SlicerDicer-:

but k-man even if it does take alot of cpu you stack tasks in a queue it will do them as it can

[01:44:34]

k-man:

ok

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k-man:

i will experiment this weekend

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SlicerDicer-:

set it to low cpu usage then set 1 job to run at once

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k-man:

ok

[01:45:00]

SlicerDicer-:

it will just plug them all up and do them overnight while you sleep more than likely

[01:45:11]

SlicerDicer-:

are you using software encoding or how are you recording stuff with mythtv?

[01:45:25]

SlicerDicer-:

and what is your cpu/ram and what do you use to output video to tv?

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SlicerDicer-:

cause if you use say a pvr-150 and xvmc with a nvidia on a 1.4ghz you might be able to get more power or something :) I mean it all varys on what you run

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k-man:

nvidia fx5200 tv-out

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k-man:

i forget what speed cpu

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Dagmar:

k-man: mpeg2 to mpeg2 depending on what you're doing can take lots of time, or not

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k-man:

512 meg of ram iirc

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k-man:

3 digital cards

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k-man:

i only do DTV

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SlicerDicer-:

hahah

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Vantage13:

anyone have a pvr-150 running with a working remote?

[02:22:12]

Vantage13:

I can't get mode2, irw, or irrecord to pick up anything from any remote

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Anduin:

Vantage13: Do you have one of the "and a blaster too" models?

[02:22:50]

Vantage13:

Anduin: yeah

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Vantage13:

Anduin: is there something special that needs to be done for that version?

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Anduin:

Vantage13: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24

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Vantage13:

Anduin: that looks promising. Thanks!

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Kichigai:

Note to self: NEVER remove xbase-clients

[02:48:20]

Dagmar:

*snicker*

[02:48:48]

Kichigai:

Yeah, I'm using a modified prefab'd Xebian disk image of 0.19.

[02:49:12]

Kichigai:

I just tried to upgrade a bunch of packages, but found out I didn't have enough space to download and install them, so I started removing a bunch of stuff.

[02:49:27]

Kichigai:

The disk image is 1 GB (Not GiB),

[02:49:57]

Kichigai:

The disk image is 1 GB (*Not* GiB), but it comes with GTK 2.0, QEmu, Bochs, ZSnes, FireFox, and a whole lot of other unneccessary packages for a Myth system.

[02:50:04]

** AngryElf_ is about to get medeival on mythTV **

[02:50:43]

Kichigai:

Army of Darkness is on?

[02:50:53]

Kichigai:

Pulp Fiction?

[02:51:44]

AngryElf_:

ok, so I upgraded from 0.19 to 0.19.1...it deleted my video player default player command

[02:51:49]

AngryElf_:

would that have been saved in a backup file anywhere?

[02:51:55]

Kichigai:

Probably not.

[02:51:58]

AngryElf_:

or was it just overwritten

[02:52:10]

Kichigai:

Well, it's probably not too hard to recreate your video command.

[02:52:14]

AngryElf_:

actually

[02:52:15]

AngryElf_:

it is

[02:52:20]

Kichigai:

What were you using? MPlayer or Xine?

[02:52:23]

Kichigai:

Other?

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AngryElf_:

mplayer + 5.1 onboard sound output

[02:52:33]

AngryElf_:

and it took a hella long time to get the command right

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Kichigai:

Ahh, good.

[02:52:43]

AngryElf_:

cause nobody over in #alsa is too helpfup

[02:52:45]

Kichigai:

I know MPlayer.

[02:52:57]

** Kichigai gets his man page of +2 info **

[02:53:25]

Kichigai:

You'll need the -channels 6 option tacked on there.

[02:53:28]

Anduin:

AngryElf_: Just grab it from that DB backup you made before upgrading.

[02:53:37]

Kichigai:

That's 5.1

[02:56:13]

AngryElf_:

backup frontends? :(

[02:56:18]

Kichigai:

No.

[02:56:19]

AngryElf_:

Kichigai, doesn't work

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Kichigai:

*ALL* data is stored in mythconverg

[02:56:35]

Kichigai:

Including the data for the individual front-ends.

[02:56:40]

Kichigai:

Right down to the themes they're using.

[02:57:00]

Kichigai:

Are you trying to use passthrough?

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AngryElf_:

yes

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Kichigai:

-ac hwac3

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AngryElf_:

no sound

[02:57:40]

AngryElf_:

see, it's wacked out

[02:57:50]

WAR_CH|LD:

http://pastebin.ca/111031 <------ running ./mythtv-setup as a user, it fails with this. any reason for that? I have added in xhost for the username and localhost with no success

[02:57:54]

AngryElf_:

if i do mplayer file.mpg.ac3 it plays 2 channels

[02:58:06]

AngryElf_:

but if i do mplayer -ac hwac3 file.mpg.ac3 it plays nothing

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AngryElf_:

video's fine

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Dagmar:

WAR_CH|LD: Go back and undo whatever you did with xhost.

[02:58:18]

Kichigai:

One sec.

[02:58:23]

WAR_CH|LD:

k

[02:58:35]

Dagmar:

WAR_CH|LD: Run mythtv-setup as the user who started X

[02:58:38]

WAR_CH|LD:

all I did was xhost + mythtv, and xhost + localhost

[02:58:46]

Dagmar:

"all I did" blah blah blah

[02:58:55]

Kichigai:

-ao alsa -ac hwac

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Kichigai:

-ao alsa -ac hwac3

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Dagmar:

Whenever the answer involves using the xhost command manually, the question is usually a stupid one.

[02:59:10]

WAR_CH|LD:

ok, since X is started by gdm on boot up

[02:59:21]

WAR_CH|LD:

is root the user or the user i've logged in as?

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AngryElf_:

Kichigai, nope, tried that :(

[02:59:38]

Dagmar:

WAR_CH|LD: Yeah, and once an account has logged in gdm no longer figures in

[02:59:41]

AngryElf_:

it was a pain in the ass to get it right :/

[03:00:18]

Dagmar:

WAR_CH|LD: Quit changing uids and you won't have any problems running mythtv-setup

[03:00:35]

WAR_CH|LD:

haha, alrigth

[03:01:04]

Kichigai:

-ao plugin

[03:01:18]

WAR_CH|LD:

so the mythtv-setup is only ever going to run as root?

[03:01:28]

Dagmar:

It doesn't matter what account you run it as

[03:01:43]

Dagmar:

What matters is that you don't screw around and make it impossible for it to spawn on your display

[03:01:54]

WAR_CH|LD:

ignore that

[03:02:05]

Dagmar:

All mythtv-setup mainly does is populate a mythtv.txt file and stick some initial data into the database

[03:02:09]

WAR_CH|LD:

I see, so in other words.. don su. :)

[03:02:12]

AngryElf_:

plugin?

[03:02:21]

Dagmar:

You just have to make that mythtv.txt file available in the proper place of the useraccount that is running the frontend later.. That's it

[03:02:22]

AngryElf_:

i'm prety sure that wasn't it

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Kichigai:

plugin

[03:02:23]

Kichigai:

plugin audio output driver

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Kichigai:

Do you have a vague idea what it was?

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WAR_CH|LD:

thanks man

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poddo24:

can anyone help me get lirc running? I see it in the services menu, but it won't start

[03:03:27]

Kichigai:

Make sure you're still using the -ac hwac3 option.

[03:05:01]

nero:

wth is this?? trac comment spam?? http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/490#comment:2

[03:05:05]

AngryElf_:

i dont know waht you mean by plugin

[03:05:11]

Kichigai:

It's an -ao option

[03:05:23]

Kichigai:

Just -ao plugin

[03:07:31]

AngryElf_:

nope

[03:07:59]

AngryElf_:

i'm looking around alsa's website, i remember i found the solution for a similar chipset that wasn't mine

[03:08:17]

Kichigai:

Ask the #mplayer guys.

[03:09:55]

AngryElf_:

i have

[03:10:22]

poddo24:

Can anyone help me figure out why i can't get Lircd to start?

[03:11:49]

Kichigai:

poddo24, well, no. We can't read minds. We'd need more to go on than such a vague question.

[03:12:02]

AngryElf_:

like, hmm, an error?

[03:12:13]

poddo24:

i dont get an error, at lesa not that i know of

[03:12:23]

AngryElf_:

then how do you know it doesn't start

[03:12:24]

poddo24:

i go to the services menu, hit start on LIRC, and it jsut keeps thinking

[03:12:43]

AngryElf_:

that's cause gui's are poo

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poddo24:

is there a way i ant try to stati t through the console so i can get some output?

[03:12:55]

poddo24:

im very new to linux, so bear with me

[03:13:28]

AngryElf_:

i guess you installed it as a package then?

[03:13:31]

Kichigai:

poddo24, try using the console.

[03:13:52]

poddo24:

i rpm'd it

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poddo24:

well, i actually yum'd it

[03:14:07]

poddo24:

whats the command to start it with the console

[03:14:14]

AngryElf_:

try modprobe lirc_serial as root

[03:14:44]

AngryElf_:

well, that's if you're using a serial adapter, what's your hardware setup?

[03:15:02]

poddo24:

its a hauppauge pvr 150

[03:15:17]

poddo24:

so it plugs in through like, a headphone looking jack

[03:15:28]

Kichigai:

Oh, THAT input. It's usually a little different.

[03:15:39]

AngryElf_:

i imagine you've found jarod's how to?

[03:15:49]

Kichigai:

Hold on, I think there's something in the Wiki.

[03:15:53]

poddo24:

ive been using jarod s how to

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poddo24:

so i did the yum thing for lirc that he said to do, but then when it sasy: run irw to test for input, it doesnt do anything

[03:17:11]

AngryElf_:

yumming it just installs it

[03:17:16]

AngryElf_:

you have to modprobe it, which loads the driver

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AngryElf_:

then you have to start lircd which is the program that runs in the background

[03:17:33]

poddo24:

ok, is that the part about adding that line to the modprobe file?

[03:17:33]

AngryElf_:

make sure you've done all that

[03:17:48]

AngryElf_:

yea, skipping parts of the how-to is officially not recommended

[03:18:02]

poddo24:

i did that, thats what i was asking

[03:18:19]

Whyvas:

anyone know why i can watch live tv but as soon as i watch a recorded program, livetv doesn't work?

[03:19:23]

poddo24:

i added the 3 lines to modprobe

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Kichigai:

You sure you're not watching a recording that's being recorded while you're watching it?

[03:20:03]

Kichigai:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PVR150_Remote

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Kichigai:

poddo24, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PVR150_Remote

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Whyvas:

Kichigai, sometimes, but that doesn't matter

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poddo24:

do you have moire thatn one tv tuner?

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AngryElf_:

poddo24, my suggestion is to start again at the beginning of the lirc section and make sure you hit every command

[03:21:47]

Whyvas:

no

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Kichigai:

Well, if he had >=2 tuners, it wouldn't be much of a problem.

[03:22:20]

poddo24:

whyvas, that would be the explanatinon then

[03:22:52]

poddo24:

unless im understanding the problem wrong

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Whyvas:

Kichigai, this worked before

[03:23:08]

Whyvas:

yeah i think so

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Kichigai:

poddo24, no, key words were "sometimes, but that doesn't matter"

[03:23:22]

Kichigai:

So that means it's not ALWAYS something being recorded.

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Whyvas:

i watch livetv fine, watch a video or a recording, then livetv stops working

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Kichigai:

What error does it give?

[03:23:44]

Whyvas:

none

[03:23:49]

Whyvas:

machine freezes hard

[03:23:58]

Whyvas:

have to reset

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Whyvas:

i did delete the program table from the database to reset my program data but i think all that holds is the old program data

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Anduin:

Whyvas: You've probably connected two unrelated things.

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Whyvas:

Anduin how so?

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Whyvas:

everything works until i watch a recording then after everything messes up

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Anduin:

Whyvas: watching live TV and watching a recording are largely the same

[03:25:58]

Anduin:

Whyvas: and no, the program table contains your guide data

[03:26:03]

Whyvas:

then why would livetv only work until i watch a recording?

[03:26:24]

Whyvas:

Anduin, that's what i meant by program data

[03:26:28]

Anduin:

Whyvas: I bet you haven't tested to see if standing on one hand caused it as well.

[03:26:49]

Whyvas:

Anduin, do you have a better suggestion?

[03:27:05]

Kichigai:

Try pulling some log information and putting it on the mailing list.

[03:27:05]

Anduin:

Whyvas: video driver/funky settings, then ivtv driver

[03:27:19]

Kichigai:

I doubt it would be a driver.

[03:27:32]

Kichigai:

Not in the way that the problem seems to be.

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poddo24:

kichigai, i was reading the guide you gave me, and it says for the latest ivtv drivesr, i need the latest CVS. what is that?

[03:28:05]

Dagmar:

You likely do NOT need the CVS driver

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Whyvas:

Anduin, the problem started right after i removed the program table

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poddo24:

and how do i get it

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poddo24:

ok

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Anduin:

Whyvas: This is a whole machine lockup?

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Kichigai:

poddo24, it's SVN these days, but you can probably get away with one of the newer drivers period.

[03:29:56]

Kichigai:

Can't speak from experience.

[03:29:57]

Whyvas:

yes

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Anduin:

Whyvas: Then it isn't myth, even if you did "remove" your program table.

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Whyvas:

is there some sort of system log I can check?

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Kichigai:

Besides syslog?

[03:34:16]

Whyvas:

would that have precrash info?

[03:34:18]

Dagmar:

Favorite DDO forum quote of the night: "Right until they all get held/Dancing then die in 2 seconds since fighters have the same will save as a basket of fruit."

[03:34:23]

Dagmar:

@#$@ wrong channel

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Kichigai:

Everything upto the crash.

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Whyvas:

and all the crap that went on during bootup?

[03:35:31]

Kichigai:

Well, yeah.

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poddo24:

ok, using that guide im now trying to run ./setup.sh, but when i do that it says no dialog in /usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/sbing.......... ( i can give you the full thing if you need it

[03:38:20]

Dagmar:

Your distro sucks

[03:38:26]

Dagmar:

Sucks large.

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poddo24:

its a fresh fedora 5....

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poddo24:

with only mythtv on it

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Dagmar:

Then you left out large chunks of it

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Dagmar:

dialog should be there, period.

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Kichigai:

poddo24, why not just use KnoppMyth?

[03:39:25]

Kichigai:

It has a preset option for PVR-150 with LIRC.

[03:40:14]

poddo24:

a) then id need more optical drive, b) i wouldnt be learning ANYTHING about linux

[03:40:32]

Kichigai:

poddo24, Nah, it's got an installer.

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poddo24:

h

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poddo24:

*oh

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poddo24:

stil, id rather do it this way. im not sure why.

[03:41:13]

poddo24:

is there anything you can help me with to figure out why im getting that error, or at least a way to fix it?

[03:41:44]

Kichigai:

Well, it shouldn't be giving your Kerberos problems with LIRC.

[03:41:49]

Kichigai:

They're unrelated.

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poddo24:

ok

[03:42:04]

poddo24:

what in gos name is a kerberos lol

[03:42:08]

Kichigai:

Have you tested the input?

[03:42:22]

Kichigai:

Kerberos is an authentication protocol, I think.

[03:42:52]

Dagmar:

You're getting that error becuase you excluded WAY too many things when you did the installation.

[03:42:54]

poddo24:

tested which input, the IR input on the pvr card?

[03:43:01]

opello:

isn't kerberos just authorization?

[03:43:03]

Dagmar:

...and asking people newbie questions on IRC is not learning about Linux.

[03:43:06]

poddo24:

actually, i installed jsut about everything on the install

[03:43:32]

Kichigai:

poddo24, both, I guess.

[03:43:45]

Kichigai:

Theoretically, LIRC should be running anyway.

[03:43:57]

Kichigai:

With or without Kerberos.

[03:44:09]

Dagmar:

Kerberos has nothing to do with lirc so you can stop worrying about it.

[03:44:15]

poddo24:

actually, dagmar, considering its open source, IRC pretty muc is the support line. in other channels ive had GREAT support, and people have been very helpful. even here. I'm not sure why you'r opinion is different

[03:44:38]

poddo24:

well it does have something to do with it if im getting an error about it when i try to setup lirc

[03:44:52]

Dagmar:

poddo24: From what you've demonstrated thus far, you need to be Googling for "Unix primer" or "Basic Linux Tutorial"

[03:45:11]

Dagmar:

This is #Mythtv-Users, which is about using Mythtv. It is not #TeachMeAllAboutLinux

[03:45:20]

opello:

or #linuxhelp, heh

[03:45:41]

Dagmar:

poddo24: Your installation is screwed. Try #Fedora and ask them how to get dialog installed

[03:45:45]

poddo24:

this isnt where i go for everyquestion i have, onyl the ones realted to myth. i'll go away if its such a bother to you.

[03:46:07]

Dagmar:

You should probably go if you're going to whine because you're not getting your way

[03:46:37]

Dagmar:

MythTV is not something people unfamiliar with Linux are going to find painless. It's going to be very painful to get it working in fact.

[03:46:52]

Dagmar:

You don't even have what I would consider to be a fully-working machine yet

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poddo24:

im not whining. jeeze. i was just thinking earlier about how i hadnt found any pompous linux-know-it-alls. my box works very well thank you. its been runnig for a week or so now. mythtv actually works great too. im jsut tired of using my keyboard

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Dagmar:

poddo24: You're officially whining. Where do we ship the cheese to, bitch?

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Whyvas:

i got an error, it says ringbuf(/myth/tv/blahblah doesn't exist

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Whyvas:

but when i do an ls on the file, it's there

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poddo24:

wow dag, you're cool. thanks for the great help.

[03:48:30]

opello:

Dagmar: no offense, but you're being an ass too ... you could just help him if you know fedora :)

[03:48:37]

Dagmar:

Whyvas: Does the directory mentioned exist, and (more importantly) is it writeable by the uid mythbackend is running as

[03:48:47]

Dagmar:

opello: Oh hell no, not with the way he's been acting.

[03:49:11]

** Beirdo yawns **

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Dagmar:

He started out whining to get his way FAR too early for me to give a crap about him

[03:49:21]

opello:

heh

[03:49:45]

Dagmar:

Every system should have dialog. You have to go out of your way to get rid of it

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sapbeast:

damn i really do not understand this... ivtv keeps losing my settings

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poddo24:

how would i hgave been able to go "out of my way to get rid of it" if i apparently "have absolutely know linux know how"

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Dagmar:

sapbeast: Umm... that might be because ivtv doesn't actually _keep_ any settings

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Dagmar:

poddo24: Monkeys can do a lot of damage in a short period of time after they figure out how to start the chainsaw

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Whyvas:

Dagmar, the directory exists and I am trying it as root with the same error

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Dagmar:

Whyvas: Something's _severely_ buggered then. Double check everything

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Whyvas:

UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Dagmar:

Whyvas: Use the mouse to cut and paste that filename to be sure you're not just having an eyeball issue over the difference bettween an o and an 0 or something

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Whyvas:

Dagmar, that's what I did

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Whyvas:

the full directory too

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Dagmar:

Run strace and just hope something leaps out at you

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Whyvas:

i ran e2fsck on the drive too

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Whyvas:

and memtest

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regicide666:

can that be from the card taking longer to start than mythtv is allowing before it gives up

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Dagmar:

...as in run `strace mythbackend` and see what strace says is going on befor it bails out

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Anduin:

sapbeast: Like?

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sapbeast:

Dagmar: i never had to mess with the noise filtering before

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sapbeast:

since i upgraded to 0.6.3 it keeps going back to the default settings

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sapbeast:

and yes, it makes a big difference in my recorded programs

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Dagmar:

sapbeast: huhwhat? What noise filtering in ivtv are you talking about?

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Dagmar:

sapbeast: You are hellishly lagged, but maybe you'll see this. You've *got* to be getting confused about this. MythTV != ivtv. ivtv has no noise filtering anything in it. MythTV does.

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sapbeast:

whatever you say http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php?title=Ivtvctl&printable=yes

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sapbeast:

dnr_mode Dynamic Noise Reduction filter mode

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Dagmar:

Dude, why would you think it is going to keep that inforamtion between reboots?

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Dagmar:

That's just parameters for the codec the card is using

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sapbeast:

wow no kidding, the machine is on 24/7 and in .4.4 would keep the settings forever, since i set them on boot

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sapbeast:

now they are not

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Dagmar:

You say they're going off at some point even when you don't reboot?>

[04:02:17]

sapbeast:

yeah, pretty damn often apparently

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Dagmar:

So upgrade to 0.8.0

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sapbeast:

either that or resetting

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Dagmar:

er 0.7.0

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sapbeast:

yeah, and if it keeps happening?

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Dagmar:

Then post to the itvt mailing list or something

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Dagmar:

Or sue someone

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Whyvas:

SHOOT THE PRESIDENT!

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Dagmar:

Or set up a cron job that resets the dnr_mode setting every 60 seconds

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Whyvas:

and this chat is now officially logged by the CIA

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Whyvas:

is this dnr crap worth it?

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Whyvas:

for a regular crappy non-hdtv tv?

[04:06:54]

Dagmar:

I suppose if you like blurry

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Beirdo:

bah, we've bashed the moron president enough around here to be noticed already, I'm sure

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Dagmar:

Shame that has to be figuratively.

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sapbeast:

people suddenly became illiterate ~_~ <sapbeast> and yes, it makes a big difference in my recorded programs

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sapbeast:

terrible noise bars on my cable, so ive been using it for months onw

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Dagmar:

So replace some coax... Call and bitch at your provider.

[04:09:13]

Dagmar:

*WE* didn't cause your noise problem, so there's no need to be a dick.

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sapbeast:

<Dagmar> sapbeast: You are hellishly lagged, but maybe you'll see this. You've *got* to be getting confused about this. MythTV != ivtv. ivtv has no noise filtering anything in it. MythTV does.

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sapbeast:

yeah, im a dick

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poddo24:

srsly...

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Dagmar:

Yes, you are.

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sapbeast:

and you claimed that ivtv had no noise filtering?

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Dagmar:

That noise filtering is in the hardware, by hte way. Not the driver.

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AngryElf_:

Kichigai, I am one with mplayer

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Beirdo:

well, bet

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Dagmar:

Feel free to dig out the noise filtering routines in the ivtv source if you'd like.

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Beirdo:

bed rather

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sapbeast:

Dagmar: whatever you say, i didnt get a response for about 2 weeks about it earlier so either everyone has perfect cable or nobody ever uses the feature

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Dagmar:

sapbeast: Probably both.

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regicide666:

Anyone know a possible cause to lose audio when switching HD channels or fast forward in HD recordings?

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure I've done more digging into it in the last 5 minutes than you have. MythTV doesn't even have that member of the struct in anything beyond the initial define, so *it* never uses it

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Dagmar:

SVN HEAD might be a little different, but I can't see anything in 0.19 that would reset it

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PaulWay[w]:

Technical question: does MythTV indicate to the file system what size of file it'll be writing?

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sapbeast:

Dagmar: yeah i spent several days coming the mailing list, so whatever problem I am having is rather strange

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PaulWay[w]:

AFAICS on XFS my shows are ending up in 2000+ extents.

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PaulWay[w]:

sapbeast: s/coming/combing/

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PaulWay[w]:

Should I ask in #mythtv?

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Dagmar:

PaulWay: From what I know of it, MythTV doesn't know or care how large a file is going to get when it starts, except for the ringbuffer

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GreyFoxx:

Correct

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GreyFoxx:

Open file, write to file, close file

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GreyFoxx:

same as basically 99.9% of allsoftware in existance :)

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Dagmar:

That middle bit gets repeated over and over

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GreyFoxx:

hehe yeah

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PaulWay[w]:

I'm just curious as to why XFS might be allocating so many extents.

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PaulWay[w]:

The XFS dev guys thought it'd be a good idea to ask here :-)

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Dagmar:

It's times like this I miss the mid-90's the most, because it was trivial to put whiners in their place

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PaulWay[w]:

I have to ask why?

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Dagmar:

PaulWay: It gets some data from the card, then writes it to the file, over, and over, and over.

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GreyFoxx:

PaulWay[w]: Myth does nothing special when writting tothe file. It doesn't do anything to influence theFS in anyway

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PaulWay[w]:

Yeah, as I thought. Weird.

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sandeen:

so -if- fragmentation is a real problem, then it is possible to pre-allocate space for a file before writing to it. this would minimize fragmentation

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PaulWay[w]:

Dagmar: I meant "Why were the mid-90s so good for putting whiners in their place" :-)

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sandeen:

so you could allocate 500M or 1G at a time if it solved a problem

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Dagmar:

PaulWay: Because most of hte IP stacks had one or more trivial ways to desabilize them

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Dagmar:

s/desab/destab/

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sandeen:

heh

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sandeen:

now that's not being very nice ;-)

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PaulWay[w]:

Ah, of course.

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PaulWay[w]:

Whine whine whine.

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but it made things more peaceful

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PaulWay[w]:

That sort of thing.

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AngryElf_:

hmm, so when I irw a few buttons one press = 3 'receives' so I set repeat = 3 in ~/.mythtv/lircrc for that button....which doesn't fix it, pressing the button does the action 3 times, so increased the repeat=? and still nothing...anyone seen this?

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Kobaz:

kernel: i2c IR (Hauppauge): unknown key: key=0x3b raw=0x3fbb down=0

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Dagmar:

There's really no solution to having XFS generating a lot of extents

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Kobaz:

i get that when i try pushing certain buttons on my remote

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Dagmar:

Maybe if you could optimize XFS to deal better with huge numbers of extents. ;)

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sandeen:

FWIW, for sgi's streaming video customers, we always did chant "preallocation" like a mantra

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sandeen:

but that was for -very- high bandwidth streams

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Dagmar:

sandeen: The problem is that the user might stop the recording, or the machine could crash... and there's the whole thing that it's compressed data we're getting, so we don't actually know how many bytes it's going to be.,

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Dagmar:

It's only XFS that's affected by this, and it's really no big deal that it's using a lot of extents.

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Dagmar:

I have an idea tho

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sandeen:

well, any filesystem will get fragmented – I'd expect xfs to do beter than most, actually

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Dagmar:

If you're using XFS, but in a user-job that copies the recording to some other file and then moves it back

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sandeen:

I do understand that you odn't know ahead of time how much data you'll write

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Dagmar:

Then you're using one extent only and you can go back to polishing your button collection or whatever

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sandeen:

well I did point out to mr. paul taht unless he's seing an actual problem, there is no need to worry about 20 or 200 or 2000 extents in his media files

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Dagmar:

I thought my "polishing the button collection" was a more entertaining way of putting it

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sandeen:

I'm just saying that -if- fragmentation is a problem with streaming data on or off the disk, xfs has bells & whistles... and buttons ... to help deal with that

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Dagmar:

I think the XFS people he's been talking to are probably laughing up their sleeves right now

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sapbeast:

Dagmar: well 2.6.17 is now marked stable so ill try 0.7.0, but seriously ive spent the past two weeks trying to figure out whats wrong and of course ive already exhausted all the usual channels

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sandeen:

oh I'm an xfs person ;-) I'm not laughing... just gently suggesting that this is nothing to worry about :)

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Kobaz:

is there any way to get less of a delay for livetv

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PaulWay[w]:

Dagmar: Heh – I'm laughing :-)

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Dagmar:

Kobaz: Use a smaller ringbuffer

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Kobaz:

Dagmar: how do you set that

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Dagmar:

sapbeast: I can at least tell you that MythTV shouldn't be able to affect it

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Dagmar:

I'm actually kind of baffled as to why it even gives the PS/TS options for encoding now... I don't see how it can actually affect that change

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Dagmar:

Kobaz: Somewhere in the twisty little setup menus (all alike).

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Kobaz:

in the client or the backend setup?

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Dagmar:

Kobaz: Doesn't really matter, since you configure everything through the frontend now

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defaultro:

good evening everyone

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sapbeast:

Dagmar: well thats whats confusing, it worked fine before and now its not (I could not avoid staying with 0.4.4 and 2.6.15, I had to upgrade for other reasons) so yeah I'm sure myth doesnt screw around with the settings but when I have to keep spamming ivtvctl now it really does not make sense

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defaultro:

anyone seen mchou?

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Kobaz:

Dagmar: really? i can configure a ton more stuff with mythtv-setup than with mythfrontend

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defaultro:

what's the latest and greatest update on mythtv?

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Dagmar:

Kobaz: That would be the mushrooms

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Kobaz:

Dagmar: ?

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Dagmar:

Kobaz: You must have missed where most of the setup menus are in the frontend then.

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Kobaz:

hmm

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Kobaz:

which version?

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Dagmar:

0.19

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defaultro:

so any update guys on capturing encrypted high def programs?

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Dagmar:

That's not likely to happen at all

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defaultro:

k

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Kobaz:

hmm i have .19

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Kobaz:

Dagmar: so you can configure capture cards and things like that in the frontend?

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defaultro:

what about theme/skin, what's the coolest/latest?

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Dagmar:

Kobaz: No, but if you'd gone into the setup menus in the frontend when I said that it was the ringbuffer size, you'd surely have FOUND The setting byu now

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Kobaz:

okay so i was right then

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Dagmar:

Kobaz: NO i will *not* go find it for you

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Kobaz:

the backend config does have more options

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Dagmar:

Kobaz: SO WHAT

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Kobaz:

i dont need you to find it

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Dagmar:

Then go do it

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Kobaz:

<Dagmar> Kobaz: Doesn't really matter, since you configure everything through the frontend now

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Kobaz:

i was confused as to that statement

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Dagmar:

Instead of asking these irritating and useless questions, dude

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Dagmar:

There's no need to run mythtv-setup more than once.

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Kobaz:

k

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Dagmar:

The only things you really ever need to change once things are minimally working are all in the frontend setup menus

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Kobaz:

but i notced a key word "everything"

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GreyFoxx:

Kobaz: If you are referring to hardware setup options there are more in mythtv-setup, but if ytou are just looking for configuration options -setup has almost nothing compared to the frontend app

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Kobaz:

yeah

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Dagmar:

Kobaz: That would apparently be your selective reading ability, since I also said "now"

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Kobaz:

now meaning the latest version

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Dagmar:

Your card works. You're at the stage where you should be configuing through the frontend.

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Kobaz:

which is .19

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Kobaz:

yeah

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Dagmar:

Get over being confused.

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Kobaz:

heh

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defaultro:

hi GreyFoxx, nice to see your nick again

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Kobaz:

i'm just trying to make a point :P

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Dagmar:

We can see that point on your head just fine.

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Kobaz:

hmm

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Kobaz:

i lowered the ringbuffer as low as it could go, which was one stop lower than the default, and it's still 5 seconds behind :(

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Dagmar:

Then that's as far as it is going to go.

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Kobaz:

aww

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GreyFoxx:

ummm what exactly are you trying to accomplish ?

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Kobaz:

making channel surfing a bit easier

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Dagmar:

You should have asked if there was a way to make the lag go away if that was what you wanted

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Kobaz:

well i don't know the lingo, i'm fairly new to the mythtv world

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GreyFoxx:

Kobaz: There is no configuration option in those menus that will affect that :)

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Kobaz:

aww

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Kobaz:

how about monkeying with the config db itself

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GreyFoxx:

Nope

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Kobaz:

doe

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Dagmar:

It takes time for the compression buckets to fill

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Kobaz:

i'm using a pvr-250

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Kobaz:

i wouldn't think it would take too long to do anything since it's already done on the card

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah, which has it's own delay as it has to build up frames for compression

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Kobaz:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

the card hs a buffer

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Kobaz:

but if i use mplayer /dev/video

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GreyFoxx:

myth also has a buffer

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Kobaz:

the delay is way way way less than mythtv

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Kobaz:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

Cause you are reading directly from the card and only encountering the cards buffer

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Kobaz:

yeah

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Dagmar:

If the delay is really five whole seconds, it must be just that god hates you

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GreyFoxx:

myth reads from card, writes to disk, reads from disk and plays

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Dagmar:

Mines more like 2–3 seconds

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Kobaz:

if i fast forward to live tv

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GreyFoxx:

My channel change time is 1–1.5 seconds , I'vetimed it

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Kobaz:

ship ahead: 4:20 or 4:25

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Kobaz:

s/or/of

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Kobaz:

do de do

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Kobaz:

so next question :)

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Kobaz:

ernel: i2c IR (Hauppauge): unknown key: key=0x25 raw=0x3fa5 down=0

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Kobaz:

i get messages like that for certain keys on the remote

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Kobaz:

and the key doesn't get passed to lirc

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GreyFoxx:

alas I avoid lirc,so no idea about that :)

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Kobaz:

the numbers work, power button works, volume works, rewind works

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defaultro:

anyone here uses R5000HD?

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Kobaz:

fast forward is unknown

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Kobaz:

ah

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Kobaz:

what do you use for a remote daemon?

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GreyFoxx:

my main frontend uses a RF remote with a USB dongle similar to the remote wonders. I hacked up the ati_remote driver to support it. It just looks like a USB keyboard and mouse to my computer. Not lirc or special config needed for any apps

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Kobaz:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

the others use learning IR remotes that I "trained" to use IR keybaord codes

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GreyFoxx:

again, none ofthe hated lirc

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Kobaz:

i'm trying to be cheapo and use the pvr-250 ir reciever

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Kobaz:

i may hgave to haxor up the kernel driver and fix it

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Kobaz:

because i think the keypress is being lost in the driver

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GreyFoxx:

I had the IR receivers already, and the universal remotes are like $12CDNnew, so it didn't cost much :)

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Chicago:

I have a Blackberry doing some of my remote control... its about a 2 second delay.

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Dagmar:

One4all URC-6131 FTW!

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Dagmar:

At some point I'm going to have to hack in a function so that the "Guide" button on my remote actually goes straight to the damn program guide

[04:51:23]

Kobaz:

heh

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Dagmar:

I've been using the keyboard until I finally got around to debugging why I wasn't getting anything out of lirc last week

[04:52:36]

Dagmar:

It helps when you plug the transciever into the serial port you think you're plugging it into.

[04:52:53]

Dagmar:

Then I noticed the Guide button doesn't actually do what I expected it should.

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Kobaz:

is there a way for myth to not save all recorded livetv?

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Dagmar:

Nope

[05:01:54]

Kobaz:

i have 17 gigs of livetv

[05:02:05]

Kobaz:

hmm

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Dagmar:

So get off the couch once in a while

[05:02:21]

Dagmar:

Those auto-expire rather quickly.

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Kobaz:

oh okay thats good

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Dagmar:

I have something that will soften the pain of it

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Kobaz:

o?

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sapbeast:

Dagmar: unfortunately I wont know until tomorrow if that solution works, and sorry for being obtuse earlier...

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Dagmar:

Kobaz: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3101836263624326712

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gambler:

how do I find out if my foxtel unit works with lirc?

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Kobaz:

check the lirc site?

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gambler:

lirc page shows a supported foxtel remote but it doesnt look like the same model

[05:16:48]

Kobaz:

actually

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Kobaz:

most likely it would

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Kobaz:

you just may have to set your own key mappings

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Kobaz:

if your reciever is working. any remote should work

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gambler:

kobaz: any reccomendations for a good universal remote?

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gambler:

and transceiver for lirc?

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gambler:

tranmit to cable (foxtel) and receive from the universal

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verfall:

when is mythtv going to be able to use alsa devices for CAPTURE, output has worked for a long time, but I need to use ALSA devices for capture now and can't

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Kobaz:

Dagmar: heh nifty video

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Kobaz:

gambler: nope

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verfall:

JACK capture support would be nice too

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Kobaz:

gambler: i'm using the ir reciever in the pvr-250 and the remote that came with it

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Kobaz:

gambler: irblaster.info i've heard has nicely supported stuff

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Dagmar:

verfall: When ALSA starts supporting video maybe

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hads|home:

Aparently the MS MCE remote isn't too bad.

[05:19:50]

verfall:

it doesn't need video, capture for audio

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verfall:

oss doesn't support video

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm for some reason I thought it already supported Alsa for capturing from bttv cards

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GreyFoxx:

but then other than a card in my dev box which is setup to use oss for input and output I haven'ted actually used a bttv card for myth in years

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verfall:

well, in the setup where you put the audio capture device, it won't let me enter ALSA:devicename, only /dev/dsp*, /dev/sound/dsp*, and none

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verfall:

and look at the code, the dsp stuff is all it can do

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GreyFoxx:

then fire up the text editor and send off a patch :)

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Dagmar:

That takes care of that problem

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verfall:

I probably could do that, but I would need to know more about how the recording code works overall and what the correct way to add it would be

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GreyFoxx:

I've never looked at anything in the codebase that is specific to recording from those cardtypes

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Dagmar:

...and then you'd see why it is that what you want doesn't make much sense.

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verfall:

It can't be that hard, all it would be doing is pulling audio from a different place

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Dagmar:

So when is it exactly that you would have a TV broadcast where the audio comes in from some "other" place?

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GreyFoxx:

verfall: If it's something you want in there, then you are in the best position to code it up, as the regular code contributors pretty much don't use those sytles of cards

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verfall:

do you know what ALSA is?

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verfall:

my tv capture card has a line out which going into the line in of a soundcard

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GreyFoxx:

Who are you asking? Me or Dagmar ?:)

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verfall:

either

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GreyFoxx:

One doesn't last long in the Linuxcommunity without knowing what ALSA is :)

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verfall:

true

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Dagmar:

I ignore all patently stupid questins.

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verfall:

but from some of the statements I couldn't tell

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verfall:

I have pchdtv 3000 cards

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verfall:

I'm not using the hdtv stuff yet

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Dagmar:

The vast majority of Bt8x8 cards feed their audio out only to be looped back to line in. MythTV can record it like that fine.

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verfall:

so the ntsc audio goes to the sound card through the line in

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Dagmar:

...but it's still about a hundred times easier to deal with recording if people would just spend a few dollars on a decent hardware-accellerated card

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verfall:

the alsa drivers for the delta 66 card do not provide separate dsp devices

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Dagmar:

...instead of trying desperately to use leftover cards from the last centuty.

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verfall:

I can set up a asound.conf file that gives me the devices I want, but mythtv has no way to access them for recording

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verfall:

programs such as arecord can

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Dagmar:

Perhaps you shoudl configure alsa to set up the devices the way *myth* wants them

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verfall:

you can't

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Dagmar:

Yes, you can.

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verfall:

no, mythtv want /dev/dsp devices, I cannot do that with the delta 66

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Dagmar:

Myth doesnt' link to ALSA. It expects that you can at least provide it sound data through the usual /dev filestructures/devices.

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Dagmar:

verfall: Then buy a new sound card.

[05:34:18]

Dagmar:

verfall: Or complain to the ALSA devs that the driver for that card sucks

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verfall:

It is a new sound card, I did not know mythtv was totally ignorant about alsa capture devices, since alsa playback works fine

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Dagmar:

No, playback works fine.

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verfall:

that is what I said

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Dagmar:

Playback involves using the perfectly normal and API-neutral /dev/audio devices and so forth

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Dagmar:

Playback using the exclusive-to-ALSA interfaces is not needed.

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GreyFoxx:

verfall: Well,like I said, if you want it you will likely have to do the coding

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verfall:

I can alsa playback to ALSA:devicename

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Dagmar:

verfall: Make with the code authoring hten

[05:36:50]

Dagmar:

Or spend $10 and get a sound card that doesn't suck.

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verfall:

I got a sound card that doesn't suck, a $10 card would suck

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Dagmar:

No, clearly you don't have a sound card that doesn't suck.

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Dagmar:

You need a card that can be used with something other than a half-completed ALSA driver.

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snappingturtle:

btw, are there any usb sound cards that don't suck? cause i have no slots free and the one builtin to my a8n-e doesn't seem to work with alsa so well (no sound in right channel).

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verfall:

Mythtv is BROKEN people, alsa isn't. Mythtv says they support ALSA, not capturing alsa devices is broken.

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GreyFoxx:

Uhh, LACK of support for something is NOT broken

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verfall:

Don't buy audigy, mine died for no reason

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Dagmar:

verfall: By that very same measuring stick, either your card or the ALSA driver for it is broken.

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Dagmar:

Gosh, I have two that work fine

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Dagmar:

I have three of those little SBLive! Value cards that work just fine as well. I didn't pay more than $16 for any of them

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** GreyFoxx heads to bed **

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verfall:

jack displays all my devices without a problem, arecord works. mythtv doesn't

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Dagmar:

snappingturtle: I had that same issue crop up around 2.6.12, which is why I'm using SBLive! PCI cards now. Maybe build up the standalone version of ALSA libs and modules

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Dagmar:

verfall: Then write some JACK support for MythTV

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Dagmar:

Or spend some money

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verfall:

well, jack could get you in trouble. You can pipe you audio through a bunch of filters and stuff and get it out of sync with the video

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snappingturtle:

yeah, i should at least try the sources before i go buy something, i guess.

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Dagmar:

snappingturtle: My best guess was that something went wrong with the code that selects the output configuration of the portsd

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snappingturtle:

i just don't know enough about alsa and #alsa is a ghost town ;-)

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verfall:

it shouldn't be too hard to add better alsa support to mythtv

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Dagmar:

Then get cracking

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verfall:

I'll have to email one of the developers and try to get more info about it

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Dagmar:

They'll almost certainly tell you to buy a real sound car.d

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snappingturtle:

is anyone here having ivtv issues with the latest patched myth .19? i've started getting 'warning: 1000 ms time out waiting for firmware' with a recent upgrade but now the old myth rpms have vaporized from atrpms

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snappingturtle:

2 pvr 250's on fc5 x86_64

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verfall:

heh, somebody asked about alsa support on the mythdev list in may of this year

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Fnc:

anyone know off hand how to fix this VideoOutputXv Error: Couldn't get the color key color

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Dagmar:

Fnc: http://www.google.com/search?hs=bpo&hl=en . . . ;btnG=Search

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Fnc:

http://pastebin.ca/111179

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tjcarter:

and I still haven't got a good way to put stuff on my phone (reason for needing wintendo--flashing ROM) from my Myth box..

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tjcarter:

or my iPod for that matter.. More code required.

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Tanthrix:

What are the chances that a Panasonic DVD / hard drive recorder store raw mpeg2 recordings on a NTFS or other computer readable partition?

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Tanthrix:

As opposed to some kind of proprietary filesystem / filetype

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Diabolic:

Huh? NTFS as opposed to prorietary filesystems?

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Juski:

morning

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Merlin83b:

Hi Juski

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Juski:

how's it going? looking fwd to 0.20 as much as everyone else seems to be? ;-)

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Juski:

gonna be giving my demo box an upgrade to dapper tonight (was going to do that last night but domestics got in the way), then try the hamsta debs.. and then give svn a whirl :)

[09:21:58]

Puh:

does 0.20 have any release schedule or criteria?

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Juski:

criteria... i.e. when it's done

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Puh:

of course :)

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Juski:

I would've thought that policy would be pretty clear to everyone by now

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Juski:

remember the release data given for Vista btw? :-P

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Puh:

well what i was trying to ask is are there some features still waiting for completion before the release can be made

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Juski:

a bunch of tickets need to be closed

[09:24:35]

Puh:

ok

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Juski:

the ones up against the 0.20 milestone at svn.mythtv.org, I'd guess

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Dagmar:

Animals needing to be sacrificed...

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Juski:

yeh it's hard to find virgins at this time of year too

[09:26:19]

Juski:

enough about my private life...

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Puh:

mythbackend stabilized with a kernel upgrade

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Puh:

frontend keeps crashing at times but i can live with that

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Juski:

ouch

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Juski:

I'd want to find out why mythfrontend crashes – not just for my own good either

[09:31:37]

Dagmar:

I would like my machine to stop rebooting, but I'm going to have to figure out where I hid the new powersupply

[09:31:56]

Dagmar:

I stuck it in a box "somewhere"

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: aren't you one of the pvr500 people?

[09:32:20]

Dagmar:

Yep

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: do you have "interesting" results with tuners still?

[09:32:46]

Dagmar:

Nope

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Dagmar:

My tuners have worked since day one

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tjcarter:

you must have older '500

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Dagmar:

Nope

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tjcarter:

This Samsung can't tune 54, 55, 56

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Juski:

pvr card uses should read the ivtv-devel list from time to time. very interesting stuff there :-) Especially the latest 'status report'

[09:33:32]

tjcarter:

or my cable sucks.

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Dagmar:

Could be that

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Dagmar:

Mine tunes those in fine

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** tjcarter has no "real" TV **

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Juski:

wrong freq. table maybe?

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tjcarter:

nah, it's just those channels

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tjcarter:

others tune with various levels of clarity

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tjcarter:

this apartment has cable ports in both rooms, the living room, and the kitchen

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tjcarter:

I doubt the signal is strong enough to drive all of that with excellent reception for analog!

[09:35:15]

tjcarter:

An RF amplifier and a handfull of terminators could do me wonders

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tjcarter:

it probably isn't gonna fix 54, 55, 56

[09:36:00]

Dagmar:

Juski: I'm looking through the archives now... any idea 'bout when the last one went out?

[09:36:26]

Juski:

Dagmar: I looked very early this morning. can't remember but it was a few pages in I think

[09:37:07]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: in other news, ati_remote has almost been beaten into shape =)

[09:38:00]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: some of the codes are wrong for my remote (maybe need to add an option for this?), and thre's this weird thing where buttons when pushed give unknown codes, then when pushed again give known ones

[09:38:09]

Juski:

ati need beaten into shape

[09:38:13]

tjcarter:

codes given are always predictable, I don't understand it.

[09:38:30]

tjcarter:

Juski: company or driver? =)

[09:38:37]

Juski:

actually no.. just beaten will do

[09:38:38]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: Are you sure your remote isn't just broken?

[09:38:58]

Juski:

tried new batteries?

[09:39:03]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: I'm sure, the results are predictable and this sort of thing isn't unreasonable for unsupported hardware =)

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tjcarter:

Juski: new batteries, new remote, unsupported receiver (SnapStream Firefly)

[09:39:40]

tjcarter:

0bc7:0008

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Juski:

ah

[09:39:53]

tjcarter:

:0004 and :0006 are known and working.

[09:40:01]

Juski:

!trout ATI AMD

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** MythLogBot slaps ATI with a AMD trout on behalf of Juski... **

[09:40:07]

Dagmar:

hehe

[09:40:21]

tjcarter:

I wonder if I got ahold of either ATI's remote or X10's Lola it would Just Work.

[09:41:02]

tjcarter:

someone had one that they'd stuck the cable in a food processor or something I guess, but I can't remember who just now..

[09:41:34]

** Juski looks for autocad scripts **

[09:41:37]

** tjcarter should probably go looking at logs and offer shipping costs for it to finish up the driver for all remotes **

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tjcarter:

actually what'd be REALLY nice is if you could tell the driver what mapping to use on the remote

[09:42:56]

tjcarter:

sortof like lirc does, except without needing lirc

[09:44:07]

Dagmar:

Hey, tjcarter... seen http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/31123 ?

[09:46:35]

Juski:

I enjoyed reading this one: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/30345#

[09:46:41]

Juski:

(minus the #)

[09:48:25]

Dagmar:

Hmm... it doesn't really say anything about 'splody problems tho

[09:48:50]

Dagmar:

At least it's good to know I should be able to turn on closed-captioning now tho

[09:49:23]

Dagmar:

Juski: Oh! hey.. when you enter _numbers_ in a playlist name (basically the text input widget) do you get the numbers or some weird colored smear?

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Juski:

can't say I've noticed

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: I haven't seen that, but it seems unrelated other than that channel 56 is mentioned

[09:50:51]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: It might be something to keep an eye on. There may be something screwey with the frequency table there

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tjcarter:

yeah

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Dagmar:

Hm...

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Dagmar:

I'm gonna compile my Big List O' Bugs and upgrade to 0.19-fixes tomorrow to see how many go away, and then start trying to hunt down their causes

[09:54:18]

tjcarter:

people who reply at top of messages should be shot for failing to trim quoted portions.

[09:54:37]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: Yeah it gets pretty damn extreme at the tail of that thread

[09:55:23]

Juski:

ban people who top-post :-)

[09:55:43]

tjcarter:

I'm on several lists where almost everyone top-posts

[09:55:48]

tjcarter:

few trim.

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Dagmar:

I'm also not letting go of this idea of wedging X10 support into Myth

[09:56:14]

** tjcarter top-posts on those lists because it is the expected thing, but always trims **

[09:56:36]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: it shouldn't even be hard

[09:56:40]

Dagmar:

It woul be fairly easy to make a module to just let people issue commands but it would be nicer to be able to hook the thing so that lights go down when you start a movie

[09:56:41]

tjcarter:

I'd go for insteon though

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Juski:

A: because it's unreadable

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Juski:

Q: why shouldn't people top-post?

[09:57:05]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: Eh?

[09:57:12]

Merlin83b:

Heh

[09:57:19]

tjcarter:

Juski: A: No

[09:57:27]

tjcarter:

Juski: Q: Should I reply at the top of messages?

[09:58:12]

Juski:

make them pay for list message storage. then they'd trim :-D

[09:58:15]

tjcarter:

thing is, lots of lists I'm on are full of blind people, and a blind person who doesn't know how to use their speech software kinda needs top-post

[09:58:36]

tjcarter:

those of us who know what we're doing can read inline just fine.

[09:58:41]

Juski:

that's fair enough though

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Dagmar:

They should learn how to use their software

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** tjcarter agrees with Dagmar. **

[09:59:39]

tjcarter:

the ones who really annoy me are the ones who include no context, whose MUA's don't include references, and who quote nothing.

[09:59:49]

Dagmar:

As to Insteon or HeyU, i'm just planning on making a set of user-fillable commands

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tjcarter:

I'd prefer untrimmed top-posting to that any day.

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Dagmar:

I'm not planning on trying to hard-code anything into the applicaiton itself, that would be silly.

[10:00:27]

Dagmar:

I just think there needs to be a hook for allowing the user to stick in a command to be executed when a movie is started or stopped and so forth.

[10:00:40]

** tjcarter would like Myth to feel a lot less like running programs from a menu system ;) **

[10:00:42]

Dagmar:

That would let people write their own damn scripts and take the work of supporting it out of my hands. :)

[10:01:10]

** tjcarter would also not like this massive distinction between recorded TV, video files, music, DVDs, etc **

[10:01:16]

Dagmar:

"Your lights don't go off like they're supposed to? Why are you asking me about it... you wrote the macro."

[10:01:20]

tjcarter:

but that's not 100% trivial to fix

[10:01:31]

Juski:

just write a new frontend

[10:01:42]

Juski:

I'm not kidding

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tjcarter:

Oh THAT sounds trivial.

[10:01:50]

tjcarter:

hehe

[10:01:52]

Dagmar:

Oh believe me I thought about trying that in perl.

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[10:02:03]

Juski:

I've been thinking about doing it in python

[10:02:09]

Dagmar:

It needs to be readable

[10:02:13]

Dagmar:

*snicker*

[10:02:26]

** tjcarter perl -e < /dev/random **

[10:02:37]

Juski:

use ready-made ui libraries.. like rasterman does :)

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tjcarter:

Juski: Rasterman is hardly a model of programming genius ;)

[10:03:06]

Dagmar:

hehehe

[10:03:48]

Juski:

true, but it shows what can be done

[10:03:50]

Juski:

the bling!

[10:04:01]

Dagmar:

My show-stopper is that Gtk2::Perl is a fucking nightmare

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tjcarter:

Now see, I can't imagine something done with GTK taking over as the MythTV frontend, no matter how good it was.

[10:04:45]

Dagmar:

If it weren't so badly documented that the simplest thing is to actually use Glade::XML I could probably get a lot more done with it

[10:05:01]

tjcarter:

It would need to stick with Qt just because that's what the devs know.

[10:05:30]

Dagmar:

Qt has the ugliest widgets, and I'm not kidding this being locked to 100dpi thing really blows

[10:05:48]

Dagmar:

That part right there being killed off would make things a lot less horrific

[10:05:54]

Juski:

does qt have 3d animation classes?

[10:06:01]

** tjcarter nods about fonts **

[10:06:18]

Dagmar:

Juski: Who actually has that?

[10:06:40]

tjcarter:

Actually, my biggest annoyance is the recordings browser

[10:06:48]

tjcarter:

All three of them.

[10:06:51]

Dagmar:

Heh

[10:06:55]

tjcarter:

one to delete crap

[10:06:58]

tjcarter:

one to watch crap

[10:07:04]

tjcarter:

what's the other one for? I forget.

[10:07:06]

Dagmar:

I would just rather it gave me a simple way to change it's sort criteria

[10:07:22]

Juski:

show recordings, show all, show music, show videos...

[10:07:31]

Dagmar:

I don't really ever need to see "All Programs", and I'm putting these things into categories but you'd never know it from the browser

[10:07:51]

tjcarter:

I haven't played with that feature yet

[10:07:54]

Dagmar:

Some button should just flip what it is you're looking at

[10:08:02]

Juski:

there's dissent in them thar ranks!

[10:08:38]

Dagmar:

It would be more useable if a button push would change it from "sorted by name" to "sorted by genre/name" or maybe just have it sorted by genre all the time

[10:08:41]

Juski:

someone here at work suggested a possible handy feature yesterday.. when you're viewing the programme guide, the ability to change the time slices

[10:08:57]

Juski:

change from 30 mins, to 60 mins chunks on the fly...

[10:10:12]

Dagmar:

Strangely I never feel the need to do that

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Dagmar:

Can we add a button to remove superfluous 'me's?

[10:13:48]

Dagmar:

;)

[10:15:15]

tjcarter:

no

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Dagmar:

So what's so special about the Insteon devices?

[10:18:48]

Dagmar:

Do they use a less retarded communication protocol with their PC interfaces?

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Dagmar:

OOoo they have a whitepaper

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Dagmar:

"When CoreApp recieved messages from INSTEON devices, it sends them to the computing device via its serial port, and when it receives INSTEON-formatted messages from the computing device via the serial port, it sends them out over the INSTEON network"

[10:26:10]

Dagmar:

Does that mean what I think it means... that these things act like a media bridge instead of that nightmare of a hack the CM11A?

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Dagmar:

That would make things oh so much simpler

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Dagmar:

I never liked how the CM1xx controllers had a response code that was less of an ACK than it was an "I'm not ignoring you at the moment" signal

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Juski:

wooo the sata analyser has finally arrived!

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Dagmar:

It's all fun and games until you have to fill out a capital expenditure form

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Juski:

I filled no less than 3 of them in last month

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Juski:

;)

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Dagmar:

Whoohoo!

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Juski:

the directors now know my name :-O

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gbee:

the xvmc-opengl support, which chipsets are supported? 4xxx/5xxx/6xxx/7xxx? All? I wasn't paying much attention at the time Daniel was doing the work ...

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gbee:

apparently I wasn't the only one ;)

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Dagmar:

Juski: Just so long as the stockholders don't, you're probably good.

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gbee:

bbl

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Juski:

woo nice going, somebody: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . onfiguration

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gardengnome:

humm. it says "You <em>must not</em> use ReiserFS v3 for

[11:47:27]

gardengnome:

your recordings. You will get corrupted recordings if you do." in the docs. why would i get corrupted recordings?

[11:47:44]

gardengnome:

and why is reiserfs mentioned elsewhere in the howto telling me (how) to use it?

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** Juski is still happily using ext3 **

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Juski:

so what if it takes a wee while to delete 5GB files? not very often I have to do that ;)

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: Let me see...

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Dagmar:

Aug 1 23:23:47 lanshark kernel: ReiserFS: hda1: warning: vs-13075: reiserfs_read_locked_inode: dead inode read from disk [2 14713 0x0 SD]. This is likely to be race with knfsd. Ignore

[11:49:54]

Dagmar:

Over and over and over

[11:50:12]

Dagmar:

Not only do you not want to use it for recordings, something about this rig screws with reiserfs on any partitions

[11:50:46]

Dagmar:

That's my / partition, and let me tell you it's so much fun

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Dagmar:

Heh

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Juski:

I can see why people were so against using wikis for documentation

[11:51:12]

Juski:

some of this stuff is wrong

[11:51:18]

Dagmar:

It gets lagged

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Juski:

people check the edits?

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: aso,l you gave me some weird error message but no real explanation.

[11:52:16]

Dagmar:

I don't have any real explanation,

[11:52:42]

gardengnome:

s/aso,l// some leftovers from another conversation ;)

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Dagmar:

What I have is a syslog with a intermittent but continuous chatter along those lines whenever myth is running.

[11:53:07]

Dagmar:

I keep forgetting to change the filesystems on those back to ext3

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Dagmar:

...mainly because it's problematic

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Juski:

done editing for now

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Juski:

we need to put out an appeal for anyone just sitting there being bored.. get wiki editing. get someone to verify your edits if possible too ;)

[11:55:04]

Juski:

fill in those gaps, folks

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gardengnome:

suddenly it gets quiet.

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Dagmar:

Do we have to spell 'default' correctly?

[11:55:45]

Dagmar:

That certainly seems optional.

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Juski:

Dagmar: spelling mistooks can be left where they don't matter and could be cleaned up later if you like

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Juski:

scpoeku – keep off the wiki, though ;-)

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gardengnome:

hehe

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Juski:

no faq entry for 'how come X doesn't fit my TV'...

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otwin:

Juski: what mythtv version is used in zenslack – want to start setting up my s100 tonight...

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Juski:

otwin: 0.19-fixes-ish

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otwin:

Juski: bad – need svn

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otwin:

well i'll play around with zenslack for now

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Juski:

zenslack has the backend on it actually

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Juski:

I had to disable it

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otwin:

no need for backend

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otwin:

so you gave up with minimyth on s100?

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Juski:

rofl

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Juski:

I gave it a damn good shot

[12:03:43]

Juski:

seems unless you're on FC, a lot of stuff just won't build

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gardengnome:

otwin: the zenslack guys just compiles mythtv on slackware and packages it up then, iirc. you could just do the same with svn trunk then.

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Juski:

gentoo had issues, ubuntu even moreso

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otwin:

yeah, tried compiling minimyth on ubuntu...

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gardengnome:

mythtv on ubuntu doesn't seem that bad to me ;)

[12:04:24]

Juski:

stupid env. variables stopping building

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otwin:

thankfully pablo build an svn version for me

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Juski:

my spare box could run FC & I could try building MM on that

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otwin:

gardengnome: never used slackware before – but it's only another linux...

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gardengnome:

otwin: right.

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Juski:

just how many fscking distros does one guy need in his house?

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otwin:

lol

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** gardengnome has got three ;) **

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Juski:

gentoo, ubutnu, minimyth, slack, and now FC?

[12:07:15]

Juski:

oo. I have a (possibly) great idea

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** Juski scoots off **

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Dagmar:

I actually have a more or less complete package set for Slackware.

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Dagmar:

http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/mythtv

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otwin:

Dagmar: thx – it will probably be helpfull soon

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Dagmar:

otwin: Probably within the next month I'll finally get around to finishing an updater app to keep things like that synched on local machines.

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Dagmar:

I get a bit tired of building the things, then uploading them, and having to remember to actually *install* them on my production box. heh

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otwin:

heh – i see

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Juski:

re

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otwin:

ftp.belnet.be rules: getting slackware with >6M/s

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Juski:

I should mention users contributing to the docs more often. seen quiet as the grave for an hour :-)

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galorin:

Anyone got any reccomendations for a remote other than the one that came with my nova-t?

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Fnc:

tsu2000

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Juski:

any other remote prolly won't work with the nova-t receiver

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Juski:

I use a OFA-6 with homebrew serial port receiver

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Fnc:

tsu2000

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Juski:

so you like your pronto, Fnc

[13:34:15]

Juski:

I wouldn't like it

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Fnc:

yup

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Fnc:

had it for like 5 or so yrars

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Fnc:

works with everything i throw at it so far

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galorin:

nah, not what I'm after Fnc

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Juski:

so does my OFA-6 ;-) with the JP1 stuff

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galorin:

I set my in-law up with the ATI remote wonder BOB thing, but he doesn't like it aparrently.

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Fnc:

i got a fat All in one that was tops when i bought it, it was jp1

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galorin:

I liked it and was thinking of getting it for my own, but wondering about other reccomendations

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Juski:

it's all about taste (or lack of it) ;-)

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Fnc:

i convinced my boss to let me work from home for the next 3 days... told him.. this myth $hit is drivin me nuts, i got to get it working and all tweaked out...

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Fnc:

actually haveing new windows put in, just hopeing to get the myth stuff done... starting over, but ive already got issues

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Juski:

how can it be so hard?

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galorin:

Hmm, that OFA looks nice, and I'm sure I can get an IR reciever that I don't have to build myself.. don't think I'm up to that yet..

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Fnc:

i dont know

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** Juski might have some on ebay soonish **

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Fnc:

got it all down pretty easy but had my HD card working preatty easy also.. but then trying to do something i way fuxored it up...

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Fnc:

now my HD card, is cauzing all sorts of errors

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Fnc:

http://pastebin.ca/111179

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Juski:

pretty much a showstopper: "No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP"

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fir3st0rm:

hi

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fir3st0rm:

is it possible to use software mixing in mythtv?

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Fnc:

jusk: well isnt that the first srcreen in mythtv-setup?

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Fnc:

oops Juski

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Juski:

Fnc: yup. or your db is screwed

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Fnc:

damity

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Fnc:

you know where that is in the db?

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galorin:

My main reason for wanting a different remore is this: http://pastebin.ca/111825

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Fnc:

you think its just that ip address.. or multiple things

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Juski:

Fnc: what does it say on the first page of mythtv-setup's 'general' page?

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fir3st0rm:

mythtv volume control sets the 'pcm' hardware mixer, but i want it to set volume independent to other applications

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Juski:

for everything all on one box it'd be 127.0.0.1 by default for all ip addreses

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Juski:

fir3st0rm: I don't think myth is intended to be used like that

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Fnc:

but if im going to have frontends.. it has to be an actual ip address correct?

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fir3st0rm:

Juski: what is it intendet to use then?

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Juski:

Fnc: yup

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Juski:

fir3st0rm: it's designed to be the only app playing audio at any one time

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fir3st0rm:

it is the only app

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Juski:

so why do you need mixing then?

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fir3st0rm:

but i want volume levels set per-app

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Juski:

you might want to look into 'use internal vlume controls'

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fir3st0rm:

took a look at that already

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fir3st0rm:

but it sets 'pcm' volume

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fir3st0rm:

after watching some recording i want to watch a movie. then i have to increase pcm volume again

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fir3st0rm:

most apps have a software mixer, but i haven't found one in mythtv yet :/

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fir3st0rm:

when i set volume in xmms for example other apps are not affected

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Juski:

ask for it as a feature then

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fir3st0rm:

what dev should i assign the feature request to?

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janneg:

fir3st0rm: no feature requests in trac

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Juski:

lol !

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Juski:

hey Isaac, gimme this feature! rofl

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fir3st0rm:

janneg: where then? ;)

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Juski:

the wiki, which I doubt anyone actually reads

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fir3st0rm:

or should i annoy the guys in #mythtv?

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Juski:

no!

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fir3st0rm:

he he

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Fnc:

ok think i got that working juski:

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Fnc:

http://pastebin.ca/111853

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Juski:

looks like a rescan is in order

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Fnc:

heh... not again

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Juski:

oh and no Xv on your VGA

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Fnc:

....any steps i should take first? ive tried deleteing and recreating cards

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Fnc:

ahh.. how do it kill that?

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Juski:

erm.. install your video drivers properly?

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Fnc:

hrm.. oh alright

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twodeko:

howdy all, is there a reason why the interface takes so long to go from show to show, or navigate stations and schedule programs

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rambo3:

any chess game for mythtv

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sapbeast:

stangest question currently asked in the history of mankind right there

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gardengnome:

rambo3: argh!!!!!!!! NO! goddammit!

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Juski:

no rambo3 still no chess games for mythtv. just like yesterday. and the day before. and the day before that

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** Juski invents a new plugin. mythgoatse. randomly plays sick video clips instead of recordings **

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gardengnome:

Juski: just record mtv *shrug*

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Juski:

heh

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LabMonkey:

lemonparty

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LabMonkey:

hai2u

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LabMonkey:

pillowfight

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LabMonkey:

stuff like that Juski?

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Juski:

maybe steakncheese.com too

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LabMonkey:

a man after my own heart

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Juski:

hey I never said I like stuff like that

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LabMonkey:

just when my heart begins to thaw, you shatter it :((

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Juski:

careful. you'll end up on bash.org

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rambo3:

does bash.org have any chess game for mythtv

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Juski:

probably not. try slashbot

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twodeko:

if you do not have a remote

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twodeko:

to change the channel its left and right and to choose it, you hit enter correct?

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Juski:

erm.. just try it?

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Juski:

you probably won't break it

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twodeko:

i would if mythtv stopped crashing

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twodeko:

whenever i change the channel, try to make a recording... it always hangs for a bit and then says 'error with video device"

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LabMonkey:

search qdb.us for labmonkey

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LabMonkey:

or bash.org for that matter...

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LabMonkey:

twodeko: sounds like a driver problem to me

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twodeko:

i get some errors though, for one i haven't figured out what to use for my soundcard since its not the primary one w/ alsa

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twodeko:

and i get this as well

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twodeko:

2006-08–02 09:48:44.736 Unknown video codec

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twodeko:

2006-08–02 09:48:44.736 NVR: Error, unknown audio codec

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twodeko:

2006-08–02 09:48:44.736 NVR: AudioInit(): /dev/null : error setting audio input device to 44100kHz/16bits/2channel

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LabMonkey:

please put that into a pastebin

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twodeko:

sorry, though a couple lines would be ok

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LabMonkey:

personally I don't care... I just know that some do :)

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twodeko:

ah alright

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Juski:

3 lines is ok

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Juski:

many more than that is umm just silly

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twodeko:

how would i configure a second device for alsa

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LabMonkey:

so cowsay/figlet would be bad?

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twodeko:

i have it installed, added the device to make.conf and recompiled alsa

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twodeko:

hmmm, now when i alsaconf my tv tuner soundcard, i get * ERROR: Failed to load necessary drivers when i restart alsasound

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rambo3:

adduser $(whoami) audio

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LabMonkey:

I know it can be done, but I'm not able to give any help on setting up dual sound cards with alsa

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rambo3:

and fix .asoundrc

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twodeko:

rambo3, doing this as root

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twodeko:

/usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found...

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Juski:

I got myth to output on my 2nd audio device the other day. cant remember how I did it, but I know it involved changing ubuntu's default audio device to the 2nd card

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rambo3:

twodeko what sound card , did you read alsa page about your card

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twodeko:

its the BT878 card, the other one is a RME 8/06 Pad

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twodeko:

8/96*

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twodeko:

Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11)

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LabMonkey:

twodeko: you're using alsa-driver?

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LabMonkey:

twodeko: on my machines I compile my alsa drivers as modules in the kernel config... I don't use the alsa-driver package

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twodeko:

LabMonkey, yeah i use the alsa-driver package

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LabMonkey:

and I don't see any reason why you couldn't specify multiple modules for your alsa cards

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LabMonkey:

err multiple alsa modules for your cards

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twodeko:

LabMonkey, that is what i have now, i specified multiple alsa cards and it builds the drivers for them

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LabMonkey:

well I can't be of any help wrt alsa-driver... I just know that using the alsa drivers that come with the kernel Works For Me(TM)

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rambo3:

sometimes it help to add buggy driver flag /etc/modpro.d/alsa options snd-* buggy_semaphore=1

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twodeko:

LabMonkey, ah alright... i need to run actually but i will beback soon

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LabMonkey:

yeah I have some errands to run as well

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twodeko:

rambo3, be back in a bit

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LabMonkey:

wow... I need sleep too... almost typed "have some errors to run"

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adante:

any aussies around

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Fnc:

hehe.. lots of bangin goin on now... got three guys hitting my house with hammers.. ripping out all the windows

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Beirdo:

install Linux

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Beirdo:

heh

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Fnc:

heh.. just trying to get my hd card workin

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jjazz_:

Hmm... Hauppauge WinTV-Go tuner card for $20 and free shipping. Is this card any good?

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erinspice:

Hi, what folder should I put my mp3s in to get them to show up in myth?

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Juski:

erinspice: where you configured mythmusic to look for them, of course

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Juski:

and just FYI, it's _directory_, not folder ;)

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Juski:

try looking in utils/setup > setup > media settings > music > general. or look in the FM, or look in the wiki

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Juski:

hey no problem erinspice – you're totally welcome :-/

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** Tobin waves **

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Tobin:

I just got my first MythTV installation working. :)

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Juski:

good for you, Tobin :)

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Tobin:

Yup.

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Tobin:

Helps that the dual HDTV DVB-T card I'm using has drivers included with the Linux kernel. :)

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Juski:

heh. you're right. having drivers installed always helps

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sigger:

anyone know how to convert a .bin file to an .iso file in linux (or how to mount the .bin)? I have a .cue file. Instructions that I have seen are for windows – Nero, etc.

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sigger:

oops, wrong chan. sorry

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billvortex:

sigger, maybe bin2iso?

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sigger:

er, thanks billvortex. will look for that

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Kelerion:

or bchuck apparently

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Kelerion:

bchunk

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IMTheNachoMan:

hey guys

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IMTheNachoMan:

anyone know if the media center keyboard can be used with mythv/iirc

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xris:

IMTheNachoMan: parts of it

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IMTheNachoMan:

humm

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xris:

talk to kormoc, he's had the most luck that I know if

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xris:

s/if/of/

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gardengnome:

sigger: there's also some kernel module, i believe it's called cdemu. maybe that works, too.

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sapbeast:

not enough smurfs on tv

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gardengnome:

smurfs rock!!

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Jasper:

can anyone help me with ivtv drivers?

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gardengnome:

can anyone help Jasper with asking good questions? :)) please provide some details, dude :)

[17:29:49]

Jasper:

ok, my ivtv gives errors that it's not able to load modules

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Jasper:

when I modprobe it

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Jasper:

modules beeing tveeprom, tuner,tda9887,cx25830,wm8775

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Jasper:

while those modules are all on the disk..

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Jasper:

gardengnome is that clear enough?

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twodeko:

back

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twodeko:

anyone have luck with two soundcards and using the alsa -driver package and not ht ekernel modules?

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twodeko:

i get this...

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janneg:

Jasper: no, please paste the exact error messages. not loading modules can have various reasons

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twodeko:

Aug 2 12:42:36 havarti rc-scripts: WARNING: you are stopping a boot service.

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twodeko:

Aug 2 12:42:37 havarti rc-scripts: ERROR: Failed to load necessary drivers

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Jasper:

ivtv0: Failed to load module tuner

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Jasper:

ivtv0: Failed to load module tda9887

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Jasper:

ivtv0: Failed to load module cx25840

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Jasper:

stuff like that janneg

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janneg:

Jasper: and there is nothing above?

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Fnc:

when i run mythfrontend i get this: VideoOutputXv Error: Couldn't get the color key color, -anyone know whats causing this? some XV setting? is there a way to disable this?

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gardengnome:

Fnc: what card, what driver?

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Jasper:

no janneg

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Fnc:

i have a few in the machine

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janneg:

Jasper: try insmod with full path

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Fnc:

but only one in myth for now

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Fnc:

dvico fusionhdtv5 lite

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Fnc:

as for driver? which one are you refereing to?

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Fnc:

bttv i think is what runs that, or v4l, it has some detection on both of those

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janneg:

Fnc: graphic card and driver

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gardengnome:

Fnc: well, i'm talking about your video card. not your tv capture thingy :)

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Fnc:

actually i think to bttv is for audio

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Fnc:

hmm... well its an nvidia 6600gt

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Fnc:

and just downloaded and installed the new nv drivers...

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Fnc:

(kinda thought thats what the problem was)

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gardengnome:

Fnc: i think those newer nvidia cards just don't have the color key stuff.

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Fnc:

how do i tell it not to use that stuff?

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Fnc:

ive been googlein that errror.. all sorts of differnt peole doing differnt things.. but none seem to be relavent to mine

[17:50:18]

gardengnome:

Fnc: i don't think you can :) (you'd have to disable Xv entirely and you wouldn't want to do that)

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gardengnome:

Fnc: i'd just ignore it :)

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Fnc:

well... it foes on to say... you might not get any video...

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Fnc:

which is kinda my problem

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Jasper:

this is driving me crazy..

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Jasper:

I just can't run ivtv..

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gardengnome:

Fnc: hrm. then fire up a terminal, type "NO_XV=1 mythfrontend" (without the quotes) and see if that helps.

[17:53:40]

Fnc:

;( alright

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Jasper:

I'm going crazy here :(

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Fnc:

hrm... new error

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Fnc:

and crash

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gardengnome:

Jasper: undo whatever you've done to your system and try to re-install ivtv. you're on ubuntu dapper, right?

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Jasper:

Im on gentoo

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Fnc:

*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0x08753b80 ***

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Fnc:

then Aborted

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gardengnome:

(brb, dinner)

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Fnc:

is there a way to get new v4l drivers... other than the mercurial thing? what and where are the latest stable ones?

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Jasper:

http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/dmesg.txt

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janneg:

Fnc: kernel.org? and you can download snapshots from linuxtv.org

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Anduin:

Jasper: I don't gentoo, but you need some kernel modules.

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twodeko:

i can not get the bt87x audio driver to load

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twodeko:

at all

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twodeko:

when i try to alsaconf the device, it always fails and says that it failed to load the driver

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twodeko:

i have two sound cards in this machine too

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janneg:

Jasper: is your card new? it seems that your hardware revision is not supported. ask on ivtv ml or look at the ivtv homepage

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Anduin:

janneg: It didn't even load tveeprom, it is hard to call it unsupported at that point.

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Jasper:

erm janneg

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Jasper:

I have a pvr500

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Jasper:

and it worked before like half a year ago

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Jasper:

but I did a reinstall

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Anduin:

Jasper: You emerged ivtv?

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Jasper:

omg

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Jasper:

YES I emerged it

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twodeko:

what is ivtv for?

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GreyFoxx:

It's the driver for the PVR cards

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twodeko:

aah alright

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Anduin:

twodeko: The hauppauge hardware cards.

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twodeko:

can anyone help me with the above problem?

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Jasper:

GreyFoxx you got any clue?

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Jasper:

why I'm getting these erros

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Anduin:

Yeah, module load errors are a huge mystery.

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twodeko:

Anduin, is that to me?

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Anduin:

twodeko: No.

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Jasper:

I'm removing ivtv now...

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__rich__:

if I have a pcHDTV HD-5500, I can still use it to record regular non-HD digital cable, right?

[18:17:28]

twodeko:

i also can't seem to switch channels

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twodeko:

the whole program just slows down and doesn't seem to work for a while, then i get a video error

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Beirdo:

GAH

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Beirdo:

I hate commercials in Spanish even more than commercials in English

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twodeko:

right now my tuner card is stuck on the spanish channel

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sapbeast:

the spanish channels are awesome

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sapbeast:

they dont censor anything

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twodeko:

:p

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** tjcarter has dumb questions =) **

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gardengnome:

tell enws.

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** gardengnome runs! **

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gardengnome:

news* dammit

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gardengnome:

;)

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tjcarter:

I know nothing about lvm really, but I am wondering if it is possible to set it up so that several discs work together as one logical partition, but rather than just striping them and having one die and losing all data, I'd like to have whatever files happened to be on the good drives still work

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tjcarter:

is this something beyond the scope of lvm?

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sapbeast:

several discs that work together as one partition is raid, rather

[18:38:12]

tjcarter:

yeah, I'm not THAT clueless.

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pmowry:

I do not believe it strips files. So if you loose a drive, you could recover files stored completely on the others.

[18:38:25]

tjcarter:

but lvm isn't quite normal RAID

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sapbeast:

you can do lvm on top of software raid, but lvm is more about having a volume management system where you can add logical volumes on the fly

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sapbeast:

but lvm has nothing whatsoever for redundancy as far as i know

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tjcarter:

that's fine--my issue is that I want to not lose everything if a disc starts spinning backwards.

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gardengnome:

pmowry: really? so, what if files half of your file system is missing?

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** tjcarter lost 436GB of data because half of a striped 500GB firewire enclosure did not survive DHL. **

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gardengnome:

s/files//

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Juski:

help! I cant see any of my recordings!

[18:40:04]

Juski:

oh wait. I just RTFM.. changed the group filter

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twodeko:

alright, got both cards loaded

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gardengnome:

Juski: telling fairy tales again?

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twodeko:

but now i can barely get a picture from mythtv

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twodeko:

its all blue and that

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neddy:

tjcarter: I don't think you can look to lvm if you need that kind of safety

[18:41:19]

kormoc:

Least it's not all blue and then, cause that's a really dangerious combo

[18:41:59]

tjcarter:

neddy: I don't need redundant storage, I would just prefer files be entirely on one disc or the other.

[18:42:11]

kormoc:

tjcarter, yeah, can't do that

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Juski:

right, so I've got this idea in my head that maybe users aren't reading the FM cos some of it is missing... fine, but what can explain people just _not_ fucking reading it at _all_ ? argghhh

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neddy:

tjcarter: I don't think lvm will give you that kind of option

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** Juski chills t f out **

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twodeko:

i can only get lower channels

[18:42:54]

gardengnome:

Juski: hrm. what about making an audio book?

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Beirdo:

get William Shatner to narrate

[18:43:10]

Juski:

maybe a pop-up book with pretty pictures?

[18:43:11]

twodeko:

and i think its just channel 11

[18:43:19]

sapbeast:

william shatner would be awesome

[18:43:21]

gardengnome:

gardengnome: i'd like to read the part about database setup. my german accent should work pretty well with that

[18:43:25]

Juski:

install mythtv with Elmo

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: that'd be awesome

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gardengnome:

Juski: rotfl

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kormoc:

tjcarter, in anycase, even if you have all the files on one disk or the other, losing half the filesystem (including half the super-blocks and similar) will still lead to data-loss, unless you're really really lucky

[18:43:55]

sapbeast:

To... Instal......... Myth....... TV.... Follow........... These......... Directions.... *beep* *beep*

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Juski:

are we 100% sure we wanna have a windows port? I might have to move to the ISS if it ever happens

[18:44:45]

gardengnome:

Juski: i don't think their internet connection up there is too bad

[18:45:06]

kormoc:

and think of the satellite reception!

[18:45:15]

Juski:

heheh

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kormoc:

I'm behind 2 inches of lead, and it's still getting full signal... should I be worried?

[18:46:01]

Juski:

kormoc: only if your tinfoil hat slips off

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gardengnome:

kormoc: what is getting full signal? your geiger counter? run!

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twodeko:

is there any reason why i would be getting channels 1 – 13

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Juski:

twodeko: yes. like you selected the wrong frequency table in mythtv-setup

[18:47:31]

twodeko:

i have the account setup to get my channels displayed in the listing though

[18:47:36]

twodeko:

doesnt that include the freq's for each

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Juski:

frequency

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Juski:

table

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Juski:

us-cable or us-cable-hrc ...

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Juski:

or whatever...

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twodeko:

aah alright

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twodeko:

audio/video seems slightly off too

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Juski:

oh that'll be like the total FAQ

[18:50:42]

** Beirdo hands Juski the RTFM trout **

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sapbeast:

tjcarter: unfortunately i would just reommend using software/hardware raid, at least at the moment hard disk storage is fairly cheap

[18:51:25]

twodeko:

Juski, common problem?

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twodeko:

i keep on getting these prebuffer wait timed out messages in my mythfrontend console

[18:52:37]

Juski:

twodeko: may I refer you to the audio troubleshooting section of the Mythtv Docs..

[18:54:21]

twodeko:

wait, so with this bttv card... in order to record tv i need to jump the output to the input of onboard audio and record it that way?

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Juski:

in most cases yes

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twodeko:

jesus, so the audio device in mythtv-setup is the recording device?

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kormoc:

sapbeast, but raid also will not keep his files on one disk or the other

[18:55:14]

Juski:

yup

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twodeko:

im going to go enable onboard audio, be back in a min

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Jasper:

juski still on holiday?

[18:55:45]

sapbeast:

kormoc: sounds more like having a round robin list to put files on, which is strange

[18:57:01]

neddy:

does anyone have any experience with working USB amplifiers?

[18:57:22]

neddy:

I would like 6.1 and all that, but I'd prefer not to add yet another PCI card

[18:57:57]

kormoc:

sapbeast, yeah... I don't think there's any good solutions for that type of setup

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neddy:

Anyone use http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/audio/862c/?

[18:58:27]

neddy:

or does anyone use http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/audio/6cd8/?

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Juski:

neddy: USB multichannel audio may very well hog CPU & be sucky

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neddy:

sucky how?

[19:01:06]

Juski:

or it might've come along since I last tried it ;)

[19:01:15]

neddy:

I've got a fast machine, so I'm willing to waste some CPU cycles

[19:01:59]

Juski:

turning compressed digital audio into power with valves though.. don't see the point

[19:02:39]

neddy:

Juski: I don't understand your reference to valves

[19:02:56]

Juski:

nm

[19:03:27]

neddy:

I heard that you'll get nice audio by moving the amplification out of the PC chassis

[19:03:35]

neddy:

and you'll get much cleaner audio that way

[19:03:41]

Juski:

if you use analogue then yes

[19:04:04]

Juski:

but going digital, any cheap-ass soundcard will do

[19:04:20]

neddy:

I won't get that PC wine or hiss etc ?

[19:04:33]

Juski:

not over digital (SPDIF) no

[19:04:46]

Juski:

but you need a digital amp

[19:04:48]

neddy:

Is that the square-shaped connector?

[19:05:08]

Juski:

no. the square-ish one is optical

[19:05:13]

Juski:

also digital

[19:05:14]

neddy:

by digital amp, you mean one of those stereo component boxes that attaches to the speaker?

[19:05:39]

Jasper:

Juski I'm getting errors when loading ivtv about it not being able to load modules like tda9887, tuner, tveeprom, cx25840 etc....when I load these modules seperately after ivtv it works though

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Jasper:

ever heard of such errors?

[19:05:51]

twodeko:

alright, got the intel card up and going

[19:06:06]

twodeko:

but how can you make different alsa devices for each one... so far in XMMS all i see is the card i started with

[19:06:35]

Juski:

Jasper: so load the modules – it's a workaround but hey...

[19:06:47]

Jasper:

yeah..but it gives a LOT of errors during boot

[19:06:54]

Jasper:

I was just wondering if you ever heard of it

[19:07:06]

Jasper:

as long as it works I don't care...but maybe you knew a solution

[19:07:11]

Juski:

sounds like a serious config problem to me

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Jasper:

but I have no clue what it can be

[19:07:37]

Fnc:

jasper jsut fix the order they load in

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Juski:

new versions of ivtv don't come with the other modules – you'd use the kernel ones

[19:07:43]

Jasper:

fnc how?

[19:07:49]

Fnc:

goodle

[19:07:54]

Jasper:

juski the kernel ones are installed

[19:08:03]

Jasper:

only ivtv doesn't seam able to load them

[19:08:17]

Jasper:

even when I modprobe it (not during boot) it gives the same errors

[19:08:26]

Juski:

Jasper: if ivtv is the right version for your kernel (hint) it wouldn't want to I bet

[19:08:27]

Fnc:

no idea what os your usein or anything – dont really want to help figure it out.. ive got my own issues.. which no one seems to be abel to help with

[19:08:51]

twodeko:

can someone please take a look at my question

[19:09:23]

Juski:

twodeko: this is #mythtv-users not #alsa

[19:09:39]

Fnc:

sorry tw... dont know how to help you... ive never had a use for audio on linux before

[19:09:46]

twodeko:

well i figured other people here have been setting up something similar

[19:11:11]

Juski:

not that many people have more than 1 soundcard though, do they.. and I suspect if anyone knew they'd have jumped in earlier

[19:11:58]

Juski:

I do, but I use ubuntu, which more or less does everything automagically

[19:12:27]

Juski:

and the times I've had to configure alsa it's been more miracle than design that I got it working

[19:12:32]

twodeko:

yeah

[19:12:33]

twodeko:

same here

[19:12:37]

twodeko:

which is why it is getting frustrating

[19:12:43]

twodeko:

i have had multiple cards working before

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Fnc:

like i cant get my freaking dvico to work anymore

[19:12:59]

Fnc:

reinstall reinstall.. configure... tweek

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twodeko:

and have it setup so i can have it that way, but alsa isn't recognizing it

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Fnc:

nothing

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Fnc:

im geting reading to kick someone

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Juski:

lol

[19:16:34]

Juski:

"if you don't help me I'll scweem and scweem and SCWEEM!"

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coffee88:

Juski: film4 all set up, movie taped for the gf, crisis averted. Thanks for your help the other day...

[19:19:56]

Juski:

coffee88: all part of the service.... glad you kept the gf happy :)

[19:20:04]

coffee88:

it pays to!

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pmowry:

:>

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coffee88:

if she's watching movies, she's not shopping! (not that she's _that_ bad)

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Juski:

lol

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mwtb:

Has anyone got a Leadtek Winfast DTV1000T card up and running, by any chance?

[19:23:37]

Juski:

mwtb: I've got 2 lr6650 cards – same thing different badge

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Juski:

cx88dvb

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mwtb:

Juski:Hmm... I don't have that listed fo my lsmod.

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coffee88:

can anyone knowledgable about xmltv answer me this... does a rt mythfilldatabase always download all channels, or just those listed in the local file, then update the db? If I make nyself clear? (I suspect not...)

[19:26:04]

Juski:

coffee88: just the channels in the <video_source>.xmltv list

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Juski:

coffee88: only the channels with xmltv ids get the data though (obviously)

[19:27:27]

Juski:

mwtb: cx88_dvb my bad

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Jasper:

Juski what version of ivtv is right for my kernel?

[19:28:22]

Jasper:

how can I find out?

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Juski:

Jasper www.ivtvdriver.org

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coffee88:

just trying to prune down the fill database time. for no real reason.....

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mwtb:

Juski: Nope, cx88_blackbird, cx8800, cx8802, cx88xx is all.

[19:29:18]

Juski:

mwtb: your card could be a different chipset to mine I dunno, but here's something for you: http://pastebin.ca/112191

[19:29:36]

Juski:

mwtb: try the dvb-utils & see if you can do a scan

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Juski:

mwtb: check the mythtv wiki page – not 100% exact for your card but it's a good pointer for how to use the dvb-utils: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_PCI

[19:32:46]

mwtb:

Juski: Thanks.

[19:33:17]

Juski:

mwtb: do you have /dev/dvb/adapter0 in your dev tree?

[19:33:37]

Juski:

i.e. when you do ls /dev/dvb do you see adapter0 ?

[19:34:06]

mwtb:

Juski: Nope, no such dir

[19:34:22]

Juski:

mwtb: ah. well you need to fix the drivers then

[19:35:55]

Juski:

according to this page: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_devices_DVB-T it's the same card as the lr6650 as I suspected (just with svideo & composite/remote inputs added)

[19:36:42]

Juski:

pity they don't tell you which modules to load on that page isn't it? ;)

[19:36:57]

Juski:

mwtb: which distro are you running?

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mwtb:

Juski: Yeah, it also says that my kernel should have the drivers.

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mwtb:

Juski: FC4

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Juski:

maybe it's been autodetected incorrectly

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Juski:

try unloading all the dvb kernel modules...

[19:38:32]

Juski:

then modprobe cx88_dvb

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Speedy2:

Merlin83b: Ping

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Juski:

btw the card is also very similar to the Hauppauge nova-t I think, so maybe if you find a fc4 guide for that...

[19:40:12]

mwtb:

The modprobe got it. I have /dev/dvb/adapter0 now

[19:40:33]

Speedy2:

mwtb: There is a udev script to create the /dev/dvb entries correctly, you might need that

[19:41:13]

Juski:

mwtb: right! coolness. and Speedy2 has just mentioned about the black art that is udev... which was what I was about to suggest

[19:41:28]

mwtb:

Where should I be looking? :)

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Juski:

this is one area I steer way clear of. I don't know very much about udev at all

[19:42:40]

mwtb:

I need to hunt down an FC package for the DVB-utils first.

[19:42:42]

Speedy2:

mwtb: Wherever you have your Linux kernel source, go there and look into the /dvb directory

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twodeko:

alrighty, got my soundcards all working fine

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twodeko:

but now i have a logistics issue

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Juski:

mwtb: you only need the dvb-utils suite to test the hardware. you _could_ go straight ahead into myth without testing but I wouldn't recommend it ;)

[19:44:35]

twodeko:

i have my tv tuner going into line-in... then audio out going to my amp

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Juski:

actually you might need it for scanning for channels, but we'll get to that later

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twodeko:

but i have a third soundcard to music and movies... only problem is that the line-in constantly gets TV so i could never use that to listen to recorded broadcasts

[19:45:34]

mwtb:

Speedy2: Any particular dir under my kernel source directory? There's no dvb under the first level,

[19:45:43]

twodeko:

is there a better way to set this up?

[19:46:29]

Juski:

twodeko: I pointed you at the troubleshooting audio section earlier. mute the line input but make sure its selected for recording

[19:46:44]

Juski:

you do that in your alsamixer btw

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twodeko:

they are all referred to as /dev/dsp... can i assign the recording part of onboard audio as a specific device

[19:47:11]

Juski:

twodeko: why the hell do you have so many soundcards when one wil do?

[19:47:30]

twodeko:

Juski, onboard sucks... got a RME Digi 8/96 PAD for music

[19:47:32]

mwtb:

Speedy2: I have /dvb under drivers and include,

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twodeko:

love that card

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Juski:

twodeko: in alsamixer, MUTE the line input of the soundcard the tuner is plugged into

[19:48:16]

Speedy2:

mwtb: Check that dvb folder, there should be some documentation. My Linux machine isn't on, otherwise I could pinpoint it for you

[19:48:25]

twodeko:

k

[19:48:38]

Juski:

twodeko: and make sure that the channel selected to record (again in alsamixer) is the line input

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sapbeast:

man 3 soundcards...

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Speedy2:

mwtb: /usr/src/linux-2.6.15.2/Documentation/dvb/udev.txt

[19:48:59]

Speedy2:

mwtb: Check /Documentation/dvb

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twodeko:

Juski, it is all /dev/dsp though

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mwtb:

Speedy2: Thanks.

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Beirdo:

sapbeast: No manual entry for soundcards in section 3

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sapbeast:

bah!

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twodeko:

Juski, it is muted... but how will i listen to tv now when it comes into the line in

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Jasper:

bye

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Juski:

twodeko: because mythtv _records_ everything!

[19:53:04]

twodeko:

Juski, alright

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twodeko:

well that is set to /dev/dsp1 now which should be that card

[19:53:25]

twodeko:

where do you set the audio output device?

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Juski:

in mythfrontend IIRC

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Juski:

thank the lord this isn't windows we're dealing with here. which one's which? arghhhh

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gardengnome:

nifty. i didn't know mythfilldatabase is that smart. seems like it only grabs data for days that don't have any

[19:56:30]

Merlin83a:

Anyone seen this with recent SVN:

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Merlin83a:

2006-08–02 20:50:31.383 NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: /myth/tv/1000_20060802011500.mpg

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Juski:

Merlin83a: nope. looks kinda icky

[19:57:01]

Merlin83a:

Dammit.

[19:57:12]

Merlin83a:

Was hoping it was something that happened in a recent SVN.

[19:57:26]

Merlin83a:

Upped today as BE kept crashing and now I can't play anything :<

[19:57:41]

Juski:

assuming you've searched the usual places already? ;)

[19:57:42]

gardengnome:

juski prolly meant that he doesn't run svn trunk :)

[19:57:59]

Merlin83a:

I have – some things from aaaaages ago but nothing recent.

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Juski:

hrm

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twodeko:

Juski, for some reason line in keeps on automatically muting itself

[19:59:01]

Juski:

gardengnome: I did up until last week or so on the demo box. gonna upgrade it to dapper slapper soon then try the most recent again

[19:59:12]

twodeko:

and i am not getting sound from the recordings, and have it setup correctly here

[19:59:27]

twodeko:

or so it seems...

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Juski:

twodeko: it should _always_ be muted anyway unless you want out of sync audio on your live tv

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gardengnome:

Juski: ah, ok

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twodeko:

Juski, the recording input is muted

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Juski:

twodeko: the recording input should be _selected_

[20:00:09]

twodeko:

how do you change soundcards in alsamixer

[20:00:29]

twodeko:

becauase in this GUI for it, i mute the monitor and enable the input

[20:00:34]

Juski:

file> change device perhaps?

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twodeko:

but when i exit out and reopen it, it goes back to the way it was before

[20:00:49]

twodeko:

yeah

[20:00:53]

twodeko:

that isn't saving my settings

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Merlin83a:

"Minor ffmpeg resync (5829). Clean or distclean probably a good idea."

[20:01:56]

Merlin83a:

Perhaps I'll do that.

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twodeko:

it will not save my settings, tried another app too

[20:04:54]

brendan_:

hi, is it possible to get the video feeds from mythtv-backend without using the client?

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twodeko:

2006-08–02 15:07:45.421 NVR: Error, unknown audio codec

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twodeko:

does that have anything to do with it?

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Juski:

brendan_: yes & no

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brendan_:

Juski, the mythstreamtv seems to do it with th VLC player for live tv, i think

[20:25:41]

sha_:

whats about utf8 support in mythtv..? planned or perhaps already realized in svn?

[20:26:12]

sha_:

i get "Your MySQL installation on this machine most likely won't work because you compiled it with USE=utf8. Either use another mysql server (on another machine) or recompile MySQL without utf8.

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Speedy2:

Merlin83a: Ping. Got the remote, thanks a million. Can you e-mail me the address of your friend? I'll send him some cash, no PayPal ATM

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brendan_:

does mythtv store live tv on the hard disk anywhere?

[20:31:15]

kormoc:

yes

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kormoc:

brendan_, it stores it with all the other recordings

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brendan_:

where?

[20:32:08]

brendan_:

that only if a frontend is watching it right?

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Merlin83a:

Speedy2: Remind me tomorrow :-)

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kormoc:

no

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kormoc:

it will stay after you exit live tv too

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kormoc:

till it auto-expires

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brendan_:

but it won't keep updating if a frontend isn't watching livetv right?

[20:33:21]

kormoc:

right

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Speedy2:

Merlin83a: 10–4. Once again, big thank you.

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twodeko:

hmmm

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twodeko:

i still can't seem to get input

[20:42:00]

twodeko:

i have 44.1Khz MP3 set up for the recording profiles

[20:42:11]

twodeko:

but i just get background hum for each recording

[20:42:33]

twodeko:

line in is muted

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twodeko:

master and PCM are at full volume

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twodeko:

and when i unmute line in, i can hear the TV through my speakers

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Fnc:

dvb#0 warning – symbol rate setting (0) is out of range

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Fnc:

someone... anyone?

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Juski:

twodeko: you've never recorded audio in linux before huh?

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twodeko:

Juski, i got it working... it was a cooky alsamixer setting

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twodeko:

it isn't saving my properties

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twodeko:

and if i leave it open it works, but now the audio doesn't sound great

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twodeko:

i set all the 4 presets to 44.1KHz mp3's

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twodeko:

but there is a ton of distortion on all of the recordings

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Juski:

rec vol is too high then

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twodeko:

what is the default profile for live tv?

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Juski:

it would be too obvious to call the livetv profile 'livetv', would it?

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twodeko:

hah i just changed a mixer setting and lost audio again

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pmowry:

hehe, alsa-mixer never saves on my system either. I assumed it because of all the distro versions I've upgraded through without a fresh install. But I'm using a PVR-350 to record so I can't help you other than moral support.

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gardengnome:

pmowry: you mean, it doesn't survive a reboot?

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pmowry:

nope. So I go in and run it again each time.

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pmowry:

I can never remember which way that goes, do I say no because it does not work, or yes because I agree with your statement. What did I do with that grammar book.

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Beirdo:

rolled wacky tabaccy in the pages?

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pmowry:

:P

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pmowry:

hmm, I was going to say that "alsactl store" would coredump every time, but it just ran fine. Go figure.

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twodeko:

any type of audio recording results in a lot of distortion

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gardengnome:

heh, i was just gonna tell you about alsactl. (well, not really, because i'd forget the name..)

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Juski:

twodeko: your recording volume is too high, dammit

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twodeko:

Juski, its at about 10% of the max volume...

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twodeko:

if i mute the capture volume, i still hear a slight wailing in the background but the capture volume is at about 25%

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Juski:

welcome to the wonderful world of (shitty) software encoding. if you spent a little bit more & got a pvr150 you'd already have it all working by now. go figure

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Juski:

and no, I don't hold shares in Hauppauge :-P

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twodeko:

Juski, how much are those :p

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twodeko:

the PVR is nice because it encodes the audio/video on the fly right

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Juski:

not that much more than a rubbish software encoder all things considered

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Juski:

I got my pvr150 for £37 without a remote. Same store sells software encoder cards for £15 less

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Juski:

not only do you not have the hassle of messing with alsa recording, you get nice quality captures

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twodeko:

hmmm

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twodeko:

i might consider it, since this card isn't that impressive

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Juski:

are you sure you've got the tuner plugged into _line_ in, not mic ?

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twodeko:

its an older ATI card

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twodeko:

Juski, yup

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twodeko:

even uncompressed is giving me shit

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Juski:

it might just be too 'hot' for the line input, or your drivers could be gash

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twodeko:

yeah

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twodeko:

well, the crossover sounds fine

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twodeko:

if i unmute the monitor channel

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Juski:

and single tuner systems are limited. imagine the hassle of adding another tuner card & another soundcard :-P

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twodeko:

haha

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twodeko:

yeah no thank you

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twodeko:

i can't even seem to adjust the input volume to this mic

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Juski:

_some_ v4l cards have built in audio codecs but they can also be a PITA

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twodeko:

nothing i am doing is changing it, im either muting it or unmuting it

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Juski:

anyway.. going to bed now

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SarahEmm:

anyone know, in mythmusic, how to make it show artists by first name? my downstairs FE shows a, b, c, d, etc.. you select the first letter then drill down. my upstairs FE doesn't do that, and i can't figure out how to make it do that

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SarahEmm:

scrolling through the entire list takes fooorever :/

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gardengnome:

hmm

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gardengnome:

you go to the mythmusic settings. and there'll be a text box where you can enter she sorting criteria

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SarahEmm:

hmmm

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gardengnome:

sorry, i don't have a mythbox handy at the moment :/

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SarahEmm:

lemme try that, once the rescan finishes

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SarahEmm:

wheee, 22% to go...

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** SarahEmm wonders what's taking it so long **

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gardengnome:

heh :)

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SarahEmm:

woo, done.

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SarahEmm:

hm, did you mean the 'tree sorting' option?

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