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Saturday, July 29th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:23] CCFL_Man: i europe and the rest of the world, they use standards for providing tv, in the us everything is closed and proprietary
[00:00:44] CCFL_Man: i = in
[00:01:11] fish_: can i somehow jump back a few minutes and mark this position, jump forward again and mark this postion and save that section?
[00:01:16] Juski: welcome to capitalism :-P
[00:01:19] CCFL_Man: for satellite, they'll give you a cam, you pop it in and enjoy tv legally
[00:01:36] CyberKnet: CCFL_Man: Market forces at work.
[00:01:55] CCFL_Man: the US is going down hill
[00:02:27] Juski: wait til your 'analog hole' is closed. oh how we'll laugh
[00:02:52] CCFL_Man: CyberKnet: with vonage, the residential voip service, they give you or you buy in a retailer a locked voip adapter and you use that with vonage, you can't use your own ip phone
[00:03:39] CyberKnet: CCFL_Man: not without going from digital to analog back to digital by way of putting in an exchange with a FXS and FXO
[00:03:57] CCFL_Man: know what i did? i unlocked the box, grabbed the key and decrypted my profile from their tftp server and manually provisioned my cisco ip phone to work with vonage
[00:04:22] CCFL_Man: CyberKnet: right, i worked over that
[00:04:26] CyberKnet: CCFL_Man: See, that kind of talk is going to get you into trouble in here.
[00:04:35] CyberKnet: You just can't talk about that kind of thing in here.
[00:04:42] Juski: some US folks... always commenting on stuff you could've stopped if only you'd a) known b) been bothered to hassle a congressman
[00:05:55] CyberKnet: CCFL_Man: I chose the alternative: to wait until I no longer needed to use vonage, and use a provider that will give me the SIP information (or better yet, IAX trunking informaiton) that I needed, and not do anything in potentially legally grey areas.
[00:05:57] CCFL_Man: my cisco ip phone works beautifully, better than the hardware vonage provides, i've had more problems with vonage due to the crappy adapter they give you, now that i use the cisco ip phone i have not yet had one issue
[00:06:05] Juski: we whine a lot in the UK about this/that/the other, but I don't know that many people who use their vote
[00:06:22] CyberKnet: CCFL_Man: To be sure, the motorolla gear vonage provides is crap, but I've been happy witht he vonage PAP2 I have.
[00:06:49] CCFL_Man: CyberKnet: my PAP2 overheated after a month of uptime
[00:06:53] CyberKnet: Juski: Australians complain a lot, but usually not when it really counts..
[00:07:04] CyberKnet: CCFL_Man: Mine has been operating flawlessly for over a year
[00:07:13] CyberKnet: not a single problem with it.
[00:07:18] CCFL_Man: the only way my view gets to the govt is the fcc, and the fcc listens for shit
[00:07:27] CyberKnet: And call clarity is far beyond what hte POC motorolla box I had ws.
[00:07:45] CyberKnet: The FCC hardly has the american consumer's desires at heart.
[00:07:48] lelo_1966: xris: still no go with Dtv, I changed my capture settings to Card Type MPEG-2 Encoder (as I have a 350) and set the default input to svideo and still black screen, this is the only thing I do not have working now!
[00:07:52] fish_: can i save the current timeshift buffer at all?
[00:07:55] CyberKnet: The FCC is square in the corporations pockets.
[00:07:56] CCFL_Man: CyberKnet: maybe because the PAP2 was on a linksys hub which got hot after a while
[00:08:15] CCFL_Man: but audio would get staticy and then the other party couldn't hear
[00:08:30] CyberKnet: CCFL_Man: Proper ventilation is a requirement of any device.
[00:08:47] CyberKnet: CCFL_Man: All of my networking equipment is properly ventilated, so that may have been hte problem.
[00:08:49] xris: lelo_1966: does the svideo port on your dtv box actually work?
[00:09:00] CCFL_Man: plus it was a device i had no control over on my network, vonage locked it down, and i couldn't deal with that
[00:09:02] lelo_1966: yes I just tested it
[00:09:03] CyberKnet: CCFL_Man: However, I do hear your pain, because linksys does like to advertise their gear as stackable.
[00:09:18] CCFL_Man: CyberKnet: yeah, that was my main issue
[00:09:19] xris: lelo_1966: and did you disable the "tuner input" in the card settings?
[00:09:34] lelo_1966: no
[00:09:46] lelo_1966: how do you do that
[00:09:49] xris: while watching tv, press V or C (I forget which does that)
[00:10:06] CyberKnet: CCFL_Man: My experience has been "the only place to stack networking gear is rackmounted equipment that was designed for it, and is in a properly environmentally controlled room, and properly ventilated"
[00:10:06] xris: lelo_1966: in mythtv-setup, you have to pick the various input sources
[00:10:20] Juski: C to change tuner inputs ;-)
[00:10:21] xris: I forget exactly what they're called.. lower-left icon in the blue theme
[00:10:37] xris: Juski: I meant Y for the other, and that one is "switch cards"
[00:10:38] lelo_1966: k let me give it a shot
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[00:11:28] CCFL_Man: CyberKnet: so, i'm using a 7912 ip phone directly with vonage, loaded dd-wrt on my wrt54g v5 and turned it into an wireless access point, purchased a cisco 1721 router and configured it with my adsl service, all connected to a cisco 1548 microswitch and i never ever ever have any network or hardware problems
[00:11:41] legtod2: hello all
[00:11:50] CCFL_Man: CyberKnet: right, cisco equipment is stackable, but ventalation is needed
[00:12:39] CyberKnet: cisco equipment is out of my price range ;)
[00:12:57] CCFL_Man: mine too, but i got everything for a decent price used :P
[00:13:00] CyberKnet: One of these days i'll flash my WRT54GS to provide more functionality ;)
[00:13:14] CyberKnet: CCFL_Man: Never did find one cheap enough second hand ;)
[00:13:15] CCFL_Man: which version is it?
[00:13:20] CCFL_Man: lol
[00:13:25] CCFL_Man: $350 was my max
[00:13:51] legtod2: any firewire to cable box users out there ?
[00:14:04] lelo_1966: xris: do I have to stop the backend server to make any changes in mythtvsetup?
[00:14:05] CyberKnet: it's a v.2
[00:14:11] CyberKnet: so it says on the bototm
[00:14:15] CCFL_Man: ahh
[00:14:25] CCFL_Man: so it's got decent ram and rom
[00:14:34] CCFL_Man: give ddwrt a try
[00:15:10] CyberKnet: Well, I'm loathe to give up the stability I've had... ;)
[00:15:20] CyberKnet: and I'd also not like to risk bricking it right now :)
[00:15:20] CCFL_Man: i know there is a way to put firewire ports on an rca hd receiver
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[00:15:28] CCFL_Man: ahh
[00:15:38] CCFL_Man: well, i think it uses linux anyway
[00:15:46] CyberKnet: Command #1: "Thou shalt not risk bricking devices you cannot afford to replace."
[00:15:48] CyberKnet: ;)
[00:15:52] CCFL_Man: lol
[00:16:07] xris: lelo_1966: it generally tells you that you should
[00:16:08] CyberKnet: which actually says a lot about my financial state right now ;)
[00:16:09] podzap: i've been running openwrt on mine for more than a year now
[00:16:14] podzap: it's been rock solid
[00:16:35] CCFL_Man: since the cisco 1721 replaced the wrt54g v5, i figured i'd put ddwrt on it and use it as an AP instead of buying one
[00:16:36] CyberKnet: podzap: It's more the "Getting it to rock solid" that I'm concerned about. I have no doubt it can get there.
[00:16:40] podzap: only rebooted once in a year, when i reorganized my wiring.
[00:16:54] CyberKnet: CCFL_Man: Hmm.. some 1720's on ebay right now for 125. not bad.
[00:17:29] legtod2: I have a motorola 6200 which has the firewire. This of using this to my box rather that a hd-3000 card.
[00:17:49] CCFL_Man: CyberKnet: not at all, but the 1721 is what you want, so you have an adsl wic for adsl and an analog modem wic for dial backup when the adsl tunnel goes down
[00:18:09] CCFL_Man: legtod2: premium channel encrypted?
[00:18:21] CyberKnet: CCFL_Man: I'm cable here.
[00:18:42] CCFL_Man: CyberKnet: cisco has a cable modem hwic then
[00:18:52] kormoc: CCFL_Man, in the US, comcast tends to give you every channel over the firewire port on the motorola 6200
[00:18:53] legtod2: Not sure, not connected yet to linux machine yet
[00:19:12] CyberKnet: CCFL_Man: Greek to me
[00:19:31] CCFL_Man: will go in a wic slot and operate at 8 mbits, which is fine for most cable providers
[00:19:40] CCFL_Man: kormoc: that is all i ask
[00:20:02] CyberKnet: ebay search for cable hwic turns up 0
[00:20:19] kormoc: CCFL_Man, xris has one 6200, SlicerDicer- has 3, a bunch other people have them
[00:20:24] CCFL_Man: kormoc: over firewire it'll just spit out the digital mpeg stream, whether hd or not?
[00:20:25] legtod2: The plan is to go firewire (100mb to 400mb) to box then out graphic to tv
[00:20:32] kormoc: CCFL_Man, aye
[00:20:39] SlicerDicer-: CCFL_Man: indeed
[00:20:40] CCFL_Man: kormoc: nice
[00:20:51] SlicerDicer-: CCFL_Man: no need for a encoder and stuff
[00:21:02] CyberKnet: is a cisco 1601 really so bad?
[00:21:04] CCFL_Man: SlicerDicer-: thats what i'm lovin
[00:21:09] CyberKnet: It's going for less than twenty bucks
[00:21:19] CCFL_Man: CyberKnet: no support
[00:21:25] CyberKnet: aha
[00:21:30] SlicerDicer-: CCFL_Man: I still have my PVR350 spare incase they decide to encrypt the channels though :)
[00:21:30] CCFL_Man: it's EOS
[00:22:01] CCFL_Man: SlicerDicer-: and it won't give you those silly OSD graphics on the mpeg streams?
[00:22:26] SlicerDicer-: not that I have ever seen
[00:22:28] legtod2: Any one using firewire now, if so is it dropping and chunky ?
[00:22:56] kormoc: legtod2, lots of people are using firewire, xris uses with one box, SlicerDicer- has 3 firewire boxes daisy chained
[00:23:05] CCFL_Man: SlicerDicer-: thats all i ask from a provider, but i doubt if adelphia offers it, plus cable is expensive
[00:23:34] xris: legtod2: "dropping and chunky"?
[00:23:39] kormoc: CCFL_Man, if you get HD, all cable companys in the US are required to give you a firewire capable box if requested.
[00:23:46] SlicerDicer-: xris: sounds like something I do in the toilet
[00:23:47] SlicerDicer-: haha
[00:24:22] legtod2: How is the hd picture ?
[00:24:24] CyberKnet: kormoc: They're not required to output all channels unencrypted over firewire though, are they?
[00:24:31] kormoc: CyberKnet, that is true
[00:25:14] SlicerDicer-: legtod2: hang on
[00:25:40] legtod2: My Canadian provider (Rogers) give me the some free HD channels, some digital, analogue and Pay perview.
[00:25:41] SlicerDicer-: legtod2: http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/hdtvmax.png check that out
[00:25:51] CyberKnet: CCFL_Man: is 2500 also eos?
[00:26:13] xris: legtod2: does your provider also enable the firewire port?
[00:26:19] xris: HD is HD, though. same as OTA
[00:26:38] SlicerDicer-: xris: IIRC all firewire must be enabled
[00:26:43] legtod2: Nice SlicerDicer
[00:26:47] SlicerDicer-: by law just if it is encrypted is the story
[00:27:09] xris: SlicerDicer-: not in canada
[00:27:30] xris: SlicerDicer-: and in the US, only broadcast channels, and only 480p (it'sjust easier to not downsample it in the box)
[00:27:33] SlicerDicer-: xris: color me stupid :)
[00:27:50] SlicerDicer-: was not aware of the canada part
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[00:27:58] xris: SlicerDicer-: FCC has no control over canada
[00:28:24] SlicerDicer-: xris: we will soon *grins* blame canada! blame canada! ;-)
[00:29:03] SlicerDicer-: thats a bummer though that canada does not have similar rulings
[00:29:35] legtod2: SlicerDicer, do you use both a tunner card and firewire (ie PVR-150 and firewire) ?
[00:29:39] SlicerDicer-: so xris you been enjoying good eats in firewire?
[00:29:46] SlicerDicer-: legtod2: only firewire right now
[00:30:00] SlicerDicer-: I just keep the PVR as backup incase they encrypt the signal and I cant record HBO and stuff
[00:30:01] xris: SlicerDicer-: of course.
[00:31:17] legtod2: I have 2 PVR-250 cards, and put a spliter between the PVR and tv. That way my analogue channels go to PVR and digital to HD TV.
[00:31:28] Fnc_: hey all.. i shut down my myth backend.. to move some light switches.. now when i boot up.. myth backend dies.. i get an error Failed to bind port 6543. exiting
[00:32:11] fish_: Fnc_: sure that it was shut down?
[00:32:14] lelo_1966: xris: finally, I had to stop the backend make the changes and disable all the other inputs ;) thanks dude! I was going nutz!
[00:32:24] Fnc_: yeah pretty sure
[00:33:14] xris: lelo_1966: :)
[00:33:36] xris: legtod2: you never answered about if you could even access the firewire port...
[00:33:46] legtod2: When recording the firewire how much space does a 30min program take.
[00:34:06] legtod2: No fire wire installed on my machine yet.
[00:34:23] legtod2: It is the 6 pin firewire port
[00:34:40] legtod2: on back of Motorola 6200
[00:34:55] xris: legtod2: depends on the stream
[00:34:56] Fnc_: heh
[00:35:00] Fnc_: think i figured it out...
[00:35:33] xris: my SD channels are either 528x480 or 352x480, 720p takes up around 8G/hour and 1080i is 9.6G/hour or so
[00:35:41] Fnc_: added a front end, so instead of loclhost, i had to add a real ip addresss... but never set that ip address as stacic... so now it has a different one
[00:35:42] legtod2: What brand of firewire card should I install to garentee success
[00:35:51] xris: the SD stuff seems to be vbr, so size varies from show to show
[00:36:00] xris: legtod2: hard to say. I just use the onboard on my pundit.
[00:36:09] xris: actually, I think I'm using a card now. no clue what brand, though
[00:36:19] Fnc_: scanred me for a min, cuz i was messing with all sorts of stuff in the database last night
[00:36:29] legtod2: does lspci tell you ?
[00:36:34] xris: stupid pundit only has a port on the front of the case behind a door. ugly to leave it open/poking out.
[00:36:39] xris: legtod2: that'd only list the chipset
[00:37:02] xris: it's an nec shipset, the onboard is SiS
[00:37:25] xris: almost every firewire card SHOULD work, though.
[00:37:32] legtod2: So I could use almost any generic brand pci card.
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[00:39:52] legtod2: What CPU speed do you have to power the firewire
[00:40:10] legtod2: An graphic card
[00:40:19] legtod2: opps and graphics card
[00:43:13] legtod2: Are you still there xris?
[00:43:40] xris: sorry, work takes priority
[00:43:46] xris: cpu makes little difference these days
[00:43:53] xris: I have an fc5200 pci card for video out
[00:44:03] xris: HD takes at least 2Ghz for output, though
[00:44:10] CCFL_Man: CyberKnet: don't think so
[00:44:50] legtod2: My pvr is 800Hz pentium III, 512 memory
[00:44:56] CCFL_Man: firewire is the solution to the greedy provider
[00:45:11] xris: legtod2: you should be fine for recording. hd playback won't work, though.
[00:45:14] legtod2: Rock solid and dependable.
[00:45:39] legtod2: Need to plan what the next box will be
[00:46:19] legtod2: So I can record to existing box, but can't play back. Howcum.
[00:47:29] kormoc: legtod2, it's too slow?
[00:47:38] CCFL_Man: kormoc: i only subscribe to satellite, but cable is looking tempting
[00:48:04] CCFL_Man: hell, if adelphia will give me a firewire box, i might just want it
[00:48:21] CCFL_Man: just can't get analog channels over firewire
[00:48:30] legtod2: What part causes the problem (encoding, decoding, gfx)
[00:48:42] legtod2: Thats why I have the pvr-250 cards.
[00:49:01] xris: CCFL_Man: that's correct.. but most cable companies are switching to pure digital, anyway.
[00:49:08] xris: legtod2: decoding
[00:49:29] CCFL_Man: SlicerDicer-: i'm jealous of your high definition
[00:49:36] kormoc: legtod2, the pvr 250 doesn't help at all with decoding, which is what playback is dependant on
[00:49:41] xris: keep in mind that 1080i is 1920x1088 (yes, not 1080) pixels at about 30fps.. huge amount of compression, etc.
[00:49:53] CCFL_Man: xris: i'd really like to find a directv firewire receiver
[00:50:02] xris: CCFL_Man: 169time.com
[00:50:09] legtod2: With the right video card that should not be a problem
[00:50:16] CCFL_Man: xris: yeah, that really worth it?
[00:50:44] xris: CCFL_Man: I don't have directv, I don't know
[00:50:53] xris: legtod2: video card won't help decoding mpeg2
[00:50:58] xris: just resizing
[00:51:10] kormoc: legtod2, no, it still is. Currently there is a few things to offset the decoding off of the cpu, you have Xv (Nvidia and ati support) and XvMC (Nvidia support), but yeah, it's rather limited
[00:51:58] CCFL_Man: xris: wow, this is my directv solution
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[00:52:44] enterusername: hi all
[00:52:50] xris: CCFL_Man: not much you can do about dtv. they're not regulated by the fcc the same way that cable companies are, and they're not going to go out of their way to let you use your own pvr when they can make money by renting one of theirs to you.
[00:52:53] enterusername: i installed a verison of mythtv and the Colour commands dont work
[00:52:58] enterusername: to adjust the colour
[00:53:00] xris: that's one of the main reasons I switched from dishnet to comcast
[00:53:20] xris: enterusername: G keystroke?
[00:53:33] enterusername: umm hm?
[00:53:36] enterusername: I do M for menu
[00:53:42] enterusername: then i go to ajdust picture
[00:53:51] xris: enterusername: same result. G just gets you there faster
[00:53:55] enterusername: oh ok
[00:54:02] xris: try turning on XV picture controls.
[00:54:04] enterusername: ya. So only hte brightness
[00:54:07] enterusername: oh xv controls are on
[00:54:14] xris: then turn them off
[00:54:16] enterusername: brightness and contrast are the only that work
[00:54:27] enterusername: shouldn't i be able to adjust it though
[00:54:44] enterusername: if its turned off no colour feature is available
[00:55:09] enterusername: xris?
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[00:57:31] legtod2: kormoc: how far away would you say mythtv is to offsetting decoding from CPU.
[00:58:08] legtod2: I am assuming you'd move it to hardware like graphics card.
[00:58:10] kormoc: legtod2, never/not planned and even if it was, it would take months/years
[00:59:06] legtod2: The windows media center has the same approach, more horsepower.
[00:59:24] xris: enterusername: your card must not support non-xv controls.. and if the xv controls don't work, then your video card driver doesn't support them.
[00:59:43] xris: legtod2: it's more a matter of video card drivers supporting it.
[00:59:47] enterusername: thank you :)
[01:00:03] xris: enterusername: or so I would assume.
[01:00:14] xris: enterusername: what version of mythtv, btw?
[01:00:21] enterusername: 0.19 fixes
[01:00:26] enterusername: from about a week ago
[01:00:55] legtod2: With Vista, new graphics cards out that support multimedia capabilities.
[01:01:35] kormoc: legtod2, which are not supported by any of the linux drivers
[01:01:59] legtod2: Pretty much focused to windows.
[01:02:06] CCFL_Man: xris: this 169time.com option is looking good, but expensive
[01:02:16] kormoc: legtod2, for example, nvidia's purevideo extentions are not supported under linux, and noone has said if they have any plans to do so or not
[01:02:53] xris: CCFL_Man: yeah. no idea if/how it works with mythtv, though.
[01:03:01] legtod2: Just like ati not really supporting linux drivers either.
[01:03:06] xris: but I do believe that it's the only legal way to get firewire for satellite
[01:03:11] xris: at least, I assume it's legal
[01:03:55] kormoc: legtod2, ooh, it's much better then ATI's drivers. Nvidia supports XvMC which is partial hardware decoding of mpeg-2 via the gfx card, but it doesn't support the full feature set of purevideo
[01:04:03] kormoc: legtod2, ATI doesn't even support XvMC
[01:04:24] CCFL_Man: xris: it won't output standard definition satellite signals
[01:04:32] CCFL_Man: streams, rather
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[01:05:28] legtod2: What hurts is you see these 400mhtz processessor on a graphics card, so much potential.
[01:05:47] legtod2: And goobs of ram on the thing
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[01:10:43] legtod2: How is the 0.20 mythtv stuff coming along ?
[01:11:38] xris: legtod2: supposed to release in a month or so
[01:12:02] xris: might have to have it coincide with the new webserver if osu would ever get off their a$$es and open their new colo center.
[01:12:19] legtod2: Is it a bug fix or feature set release.
[01:12:28] xris: little of both
[01:12:33] xris: most bug fixes went into .19-fixes
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[01:12:52] legtod2: I have not seen 0.19.1 release.
[01:13:20] DMJC-L: anyone setup I'm trying to setup analog tv
[01:14:48] legtod2: I also noticed the Wilson Fedora install web site is getting dated.
[01:14:57] legtod2: No updates for awhile.
[01:15:18] kormoc: legtod2, there isn't going to be a 0.19.1 release
[01:15:20] xris: legtod2: there hasn't been.. all of the packagers (except ubuntu who won't even release a .19) are keeping up with the fixes patchset. everybody else can just grab the svn version
[01:15:42] xris: legtod2: his new job at redhat (and moving cross country) has been sucking his time away....
[01:15:50] DMJC-L: I've got an analog and a HDTV card
[01:15:57] gardengnome: all of the packagers? i think marillat's stuff for debian sarge is still 0.19, but unstable is 0.19-fixes iirc
[01:16:09] legtod2: Makes sense.
[01:16:13] DMJC-L: I'm trying to configure mythtv to use the composite input on the analog carf
[01:16:16] kormoc: gardengnome, all the offical ubuntu packages are not 0.19
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[01:16:27] xris: gardengnome: no one case about debian.  ;)
[01:16:35] DMJC-L: also like to configure radio if that's possible
[01:16:38] gardengnome: kormoc: i know.
[01:16:46] kormoc: DMJC-L, Myth doesn't support radio
[01:16:58] legtod2: I don't enjoy building mythtv, dependancy hell.
[01:17:00] xris: DMJC-L: what problems are you having with the composite input.
[01:17:39] DMJC-L: ok, basically the cards both work in mplayer/tvtime
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[01:17:52] DMJC-L: I'm not sure exactly howto configure in mythtv-setup to get analog working
[01:18:35] xris: DMJC-L: the input should just show up in the list. you attach a listings source to it and then it works.
[01:19:12] legtod2: Thanks SlicerDicer, xris, kormoc for feedback.
[01:19:19] legtod2: Got to sign off.
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[01:20:07] DMJC-L: ok
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[01:26:42] DMJC-L: craaap..
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[01:28:01] DMJC-L: and the dodgiest hdd install award goes to...
[01:28:03] DMJC-L: ME!
[01:28:17] gardengnome: congratas
[01:28:20] gardengnome: -a
[01:28:30] gardengnome: too tired to type properly, i'm sorry :)
[01:28:34] DMJC-L: (for running a 320gb hdd inside an antistatic bag)
[01:28:41] DMJC-L: placed in the bottom of my case
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[01:31:22] gardengnome: that's probably gonna run hot.
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[01:36:38] DMJC-L: w00t
[01:36:39] DMJC-L: FM radio
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[02:22:20] MariachiElf: Howdy MythTV Users
[02:26:46] MariachiElf: Anyone avaiable to comment on some hardware I'm looking to purchase?
[02:27:08] MariachiElf: I'm trying to build a set top to playback all the content stored on the server where all the beefy hardware is
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[02:28:06] MariachiElf: The content will be HD recorded TV shows, live HDTV, Ripped DVDs, and the set top should have a DVD Player to make it easy just to walk up to the TV and play a DVD
[02:28:48] MariachiElf: I've been sold on the NVidia PureVideo stuff so to take advantage of its full capabilities I'm looking at a 7600GT based card
[02:29:05] MariachiElf: (I also want to drive a 1080p HD display)
[02:29:25] MariachiElf: My question is what should the mainboard/processor/RAM be like
[02:29:59] Aid1: anyone ever buy something from irblaster.info ?
[02:30:51] MariachiElf: I haven't even heard of them before, sorry
[02:31:24] MariachiElf: Sorry it's no help – but I figured since I'm the only one saying anything atm I'd speak up ;)
[02:31:34] Juski: MariachiElf: Nvidia Purevideo stuff doesn't work in Linux yet
[02:31:48] Aid1: yeah just wondering if they're legit before i give 'em my CC
[02:31:49] MariachiElf: Hmm
[02:32:08] MariachiElf: Juski: Well for the set top I'm willing to forgo Linux
[02:32:47] MariachiElf: Unless you think there's some codecs out there for Linux that'll produce better quality
[02:32:49] Juski: There's no windows frontend for mythtv
[02:33:04] Juski: get a fast enough CPU & you won't have to worry about it
[02:33:27] MariachiElf: Well the main thing I wanted from the PureVideo stuff was the picture enhancements and scalers
[02:33:40] Juski: pah & tish
[02:34:43] MariachiElf: You think I could I get better results from software?
[02:35:07] MariachiElf: (not that hardware versus software hsa anything to do with it — more that NVidia just does a great job)
[02:35:30] MariachiElf: I'd _LOVE_ a Linux based solution
[02:35:39] Juski: hint... a lot of the purevideo stuff isn't even done by the GPU apparently
[02:36:04] MariachiElf: See now why can't I find great info like that
[02:36:10] Juski: dunno how true that is, but I read it somewhere
[02:36:29] Juski: thing is, if you wanna use mythtv, right now you're tied to using linux
[02:36:41] MariachiElf: Right
[02:37:00] Juski: and that being the case, buying a card which has features you can't use in linux is umm.. pretty pointless ;-)
[02:37:04] MariachiElf: Well atm – I'm more interested in just producing the best playback experience I can
[02:37:49] MariachiElf: Juski: I'm currently totally stuck in Windows atm for my PVR anyway
[02:37:49] Juski: loads of people are happy enough with mid-range nvidia cards like 6200 & 2.8GHz CPUs for HD playback
[02:38:43] MariachiElf: Yeah – but my tests so far show that when a 720p (or worse a 480p) is scaled to 1080p it doesn't look as good anymore
[02:39:24] phenex: i actually had a rather nice quality PVR with a P3 800, 512 ram and a 5200 Nvidia card for output... it was on windows though, so it was also rather limited...
[02:39:30] ** MariachiElf picked up the Sceptre 42" 1080p for $2,000 (after shipping) from Costco online. **
[02:39:33] Juski: is your display capable of 1080p natively?
[02:39:49] Juski: ah
[02:40:34] MariachiElf: Juski: I'm going to return it because after watching I decided that while the display is an incredible value and looks "good" I really want great
[02:40:43] Juski: well I dunno what to suggest. ati allegedly have better quality output than nvidia but their cards don't offer the cpu any help in decoding mpeg2 in linux
[02:41:05] Aid1: This is sort of off topic but what shows do you guys generally record ?
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[02:41:42] MariachiElf: Juski: I heard exactly the opposite, ATI can put up better framerates and overall throughput, but NVidia is clearly the champ when it comes to quality of the image
[02:41:57] MariachiElf: So for gaming ATI tends to lead
[02:42:15] MariachiElf: And technical benchamrks again ATI will lead
[02:43:19] MariachiElf: But the more subjective which image is better goes to NVidia – and given that I'm trying to just buy once for the next few years, I figured it was worth it to buy the best quality image output I can produce
[02:43:33] MariachiElf: Of course, I've seen neither
[02:43:40] MariachiElf: (ATI nor NVidia that is)
[02:43:46] Aid1: i have nvidia
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[02:43:59] MariachiElf: With PureVideo?
[02:44:05] Aid1: i dont know
[02:44:11] Aid1: how would i check
[02:44:19] Juski: I already told you.. purevideo isn't support at _all_ in linux yet
[02:44:27] MariachiElf: Unless it's a 7xxx series card then it's not
[02:44:32] Aid1: oh, nope
[02:44:39] Aid1: is PureVideo like HD?
[02:45:03] MariachiElf: Juski: I understand that, I just don't see any linux equivalents to the image cleanup
[02:45:04] Juski: no, purevideo is a bunch of stuff which allegedly sweetens video processing
[02:45:30] Juski: 1. you have a HD capture card, so the image looks pretty damn fine to start with
[02:45:32] Aid1: hardware? i see
[02:45:45] Juski: 2. purevideo & crap like that puts stuff into the picture that isn't there
[02:46:18] MariachiElf: Aid1: It does things like manage different playback frame rates from recording frame rates, ant alias frames when they get scaled from their native resolution to playback resolution
[02:46:25] CyberKnet: Rob... notice or privmsg me your linkedin address
[02:46:30] Aid1: which means?
[02:47:04] Juski: MariachiElf: mythtv supports using playback filtering, so basically you have a huge raft of choices
[02:47:19] Juski: (should you need them)
[02:47:21] MariachiElf: Juski: Hehe – that's actually part of my problem
[02:47:40] MariachiElf: Juski: Too many choices and no knowledge with which to discern between them all
[02:47:52] Juski: mythtv's deinterlacing is pretty damn good
[02:48:15] Aid1: I don't think i even use deinterlacing, should i be?
[02:48:35] Juski: as for the scaling.. you can play back at the original res. & let the TV do that but YMMV
[02:48:36] MariachiElf: Aid1: Have you seen the difference between normal and antialiased fonts?
[02:48:54] Aid1: no sir,
[02:49:04] Juski: MariachiElf: the only way to really find out is to try
[02:49:51] MariachiElf: Aid1: Ok, You've seen a diagnal line drawn on a computer screen before I assume
[02:50:02] MariachiElf: Juski: I understand
[02:50:33] Aid1: ya MariachiElf
[02:50:49] MariachiElf: Aid1: And I'm sure you've seen that in some programs that line looks very jagged and other times it looks rather smooth
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[02:51:19] Aid1: so it mostly smooths things out?
[02:51:47] MariachiElf: aid1: ANd fill things in
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[02:52:20] MariachiElf: Aid1: But yes I'd say it's primary purpose is to smooth things out and fill things in
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[02:52:43] Aid1: so, what is your mythtv box setup?
[02:52:53] MariachiElf: I don't have one at the moment
[02:53:08] MariachiElf: I'm currently using MediaPortal for Windows
[02:53:16] Aid1: is it free?
[02:53:29] MariachiElf: MediaPortal is a GPLd PVR written in C#
[02:53:38] MariachiElf: Using DirectX
[02:53:50] Aid1: cool
[02:53:55] Aid1: what tuner ?
[02:54:10] |akw|: I've got my PVR-150 up and working with the ivtv drivers — can watch TV in mplayer, but can't seem to get it going in myth. can anyone help?
[02:54:25] |akw|: (seems like i'm at the last mile... ;) )
[02:54:28] MariachiElf: I've got a DVICO FusionHDTV 5 Gold Plus and an Avermedia PCI 550
[02:54:45] Aid1: |akw|: what happens when you try to play it in myth?
[02:55:00] MariachiElf: The Avermedia doesn't work under Linux because it only supports DMA sound
[02:55:01] Aid1: MariachiElf: what do you record off of? cable, satellite?
[02:55:02] ** Juski was under the impression MediaPortal is written in .NET **
[02:55:06] MariachiElf: OTA
[02:55:13] MariachiElf: Juski: C# = .Net
[02:55:28] Aid1: do you live by/in a big city?
[02:55:44] MariachiElf: Juski: Kind of like there's multiple languages that will output to Java
[02:55:55] opello: MariachiElf: c# != .net ...
[02:56:01] MariachiElf: Aid1: Yeah I live in Los Angeles, probably 50 HD channels in all
[02:56:21] Aid1: wow lucky
[02:56:37] Juski: tried mediaportal. it was dog slow on a 2800 athlon :-/
[02:56:46] MariachiElf: opello: Can you write a program in C# without using .Net?
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[02:56:54] |akw|: Aid1: it flips back to the menu — on the console it says that it's switching to WatchingLiveTV, then says GetEntryAt(-1) failed
[02:56:55] opello: MariachiElf: yes
[02:56:57] Aid1: I have a KU BAnd FTA satelliterigged up and i only get about 30–40 regular channels
[02:57:15] MariachiElf: Juski: Yeah they've done a lot to improve things, turns out there was a horrific bug that made things really slow when you used the timeshifting
[02:57:27] Juski: looks like MP is doing good stuff anyway.. loads of tuner support, now working with client/server architecture...
[02:57:44] opello: MariachiElf: i don't need to use the .net corlib or the framework's massive set of class libraries to build something in intermediary language; i could write my own base classes and use them
[02:57:51] |akw|: in mythtv-config I set the card to be pvr-x50 mpeg2, and use /dev/video0, but it's hard to tell if it's actually seeing the card
[02:57:53] Aid1: |akw|: sorry, I can't help. Iwas hoping that you might not have installed your video card correctly :P.
[02:57:53] opello: MariachiElf: the point is, c# is a language, .net is a set of classes
[02:57:54] MariachiElf: Juski: Yeah, I wrote my first plugin for it, I'm actually pretty excited about it
[02:58:06] |akw|: heh
[02:58:11] opello: MariachiElf: and a standard that defines a compiler, etc.
[02:58:11] MariachiElf: opello: I stand corrected, my bad
[02:58:23] opello: oh :) i thought i was on the verge of some crazy holy war :)
[02:58:24] Juski: MariachiElf: someone should tell em it'd be quite simple to write a mythtv frontend for it
[02:58:29] MariachiElf: opello: I liken .Net to a JVM
[02:58:35] |akw|: Are there other good sources for troubleshooting stuff around? I've read the docs and myth wiki... at a bit of a loss.
[02:58:51] Juski: |akw|: sounds like you're on the right trail anyway
[02:58:52] opello: MariachiElf: yes, more or less; MSIL = bytecode, and .net framework/mscorelib ~= jvm
[02:59:25] Juski: |akw|: what problem are you having exactly? wanna see error messages from the backend if poss.
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[02:59:39] Aid1: |akw|: i hope you've tried googling GetEntryAt(-1) ?
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[02:59:47] MariachiElf: opello: hehe – no I'm too lazy to go to war (which is why I made the mistake in the first place instead of speaking correctly) :)
[03:00:00] opello: MariachiElf: sorry for being so .. caustic .. about it :)
[03:00:02] Aid1: my favorite language is java
[03:00:07] MariachiElf: opello: np
[03:00:10] MariachiElf: :)
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[03:01:00] Juski: |akw|: stop the mythbackend daemon, then run it in a terminal window (i.e. just type mythbackend)
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[03:01:10] Juski: then start mythfrontend...
[03:01:19] |akw|: aid1: yep. ;)
[03:01:20] MariachiElf: Juski: My plugin uses an RFID Reader to read RFID tags that then initiate playback of the DVDs I've ripped to the HD
[03:01:33] MariachiElf: Juski: I put the tags on the DVD cases themselves
[03:01:42] opello: MariachiElf: cool
[03:02:10] Juski: MP can use Python, yes... there's already a bunch of scripts for XBMC using python to be a mythtv frontend
[03:03:07] MariachiElf: Juski: Oh cool!! In that case there's hope for my Nvidia card afterall ;)
[03:03:39] Juski: oh hell I'm gonna have to go to bed. it's 4am
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[04:30:54] CCFL_Man: hmm..
[04:31:47] CCFL_Man: for atsc hdtv, dvb-s, analog/cable tv, and firewire inputs, thats 4 seperate firewire cards
[04:31:50] CCFL_Man: err
[04:31:57] CCFL_Man: pci cards
[04:32:37] tjcarter: hmm, three channels are not coming in with my pvr500
[04:33:05] CCFL_Man: recording from all inputs at once, say 1080i on the atsc and firewire card, and standard definition on the dvb-s and analog card
[04:33:21] tjcarter: channels 54, 55, and 56 specifically.
[04:33:37] tjcarter: isn't that about a range that there could be some tuner problem?
[04:33:56] CCFL_Man: think that'll cause a heavy lag on the system?
[04:34:26] CCFL_Man: no encoding is done at all because all the cards accept digital data or encode to digital
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[04:38:19] Plex: hello, can anyone recommend a good vnc server for a myth box (fedora)?
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[04:53:49] CCFL_Man: i'm not sure which vnc server to use, but i know debian is a better distribution
[04:54:38] Plex: better how?
[04:54:48] Plex: I'm stuck where I'm at, with Fedora...
[04:55:05] CCFL_Man: fedora is too commercial
[04:55:22] Plex: ok
[04:57:15] GreyFoxx: Plex: I just use x11vnc and launch it whenever I need to vnc in, I don't leaveit running all the time
[04:57:21] CCFL_Man: thats just my biased opinion
[04:57:51] Plex: GreyFoxx: thanks! easy install?
[04:58:44] GreyFoxx: Plex: Easy enough I guess :)
[04:59:11] GreyFoxx: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/
[04:59:13] CCFL_Man: this 169time increased the prices bigtime
[04:59:23] CCFL_Man: $400 for a farking kit?
[04:59:26] Plex: GreyFoxx: great, running now!
[05:00:12] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: you on linkedin?
[05:00:24] GreyFoxx: "linkedin"?
[05:00:29] GreyFoxx: What's that ?
[05:00:45] CyberKnet: sort of like a sixdegrees for technical contacts
[05:00:52] CyberKnet: a business contact management thingie
[05:01:00] GreyFoxx: Never heard of it, so I guess not :)
[05:01:01] CyberKnet: xris, Beirdo and kormoc are on it.
[05:01:16] CyberKnet: JCW also uses it iirc
[05:01:52] CyberKnet: Is it something you'd be interested in using? Basic registration (which is what I use) is free.
[05:02:20] GreyFoxx: Not really
[05:02:25] CyberKnet: cool.
[05:02:36] GreyFoxx: At least, I can't think of whatI'duse it for :)
[05:02:48] CyberKnet: Interesting to see who you "know" by way of other people, I guess
[05:02:58] CyberKnet: also good for being head-hunted.
[05:03:10] Plex: GreyFoxx: once the rpm runs where can I find the application to launch it>?
[05:03:29] GreyFoxx: Plex: No clue. I don't use packages
[05:03:38] mishehu: I create my own packages
[05:03:53] GreyFoxx: It's likely going to end up in your default path, otherwise try a search of /usr
[05:03:55] CyberKnet: always interesting to find out who your friends know at useful places, such as wikimedia, livejournal, real media, etc
[05:04:00] GreyFoxx: find /usr -name x11vnc
[05:04:24] ** GreyFoxx heads to bed **
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[05:28:07] tjcarter: CCFL_Man: I think a better technical argument can be made regarding Fedora than Red Hat's corporate nature.
[05:28:49] tjcarter: ...I do know that Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning "can't install Debian", though  ;)
[05:28:57] tjcarter: =)
[05:29:24] ** tjcarter hides from Ubuntu and Debian people **
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[05:36:25] CCFL_Man: lol
[05:37:02] CCFL_Man: i never tried any other distro, but since i love debian so much i haven't a need to
[05:38:23] sapbeast: JDR blamed
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[05:39:43] tjcarter: CCFL_Man: if it works for you...
[05:41:17] CCFL_Man: sapbeast: i left a reply on the monroeworld forums in regards to the url, i hope it's good
[05:41:24] tjcarter: root@saito:/usr/src/linux# make modules_install && depmod -aq && modprobe ati_remote debug=1 # && pray --quantity=lots
[05:41:37] CCFL_Man: tjcarter: i ecen use xebian on my xbox :P
[05:41:58] tjcarter: well that's your mistake--you actually bought one.
[05:42:06] sapbeast: CCFL_Man: seeing how you left you-know-where with less than desirable comments about that person, you better have
[05:42:48] CCFL_Man: tjcarter: i think it'll run nice as a mythfrontend
[05:43:07] CCFL_Man: sapbeast: thats correct, infact i still remember that
[05:43:20] CCFL_Man: i never meant it personally ofcourse
[05:45:42] CCFL_Man: tjcarter: i want to get linux running on a linksys media center extender
[05:45:42] tjcarter: weird data. Crap.
[05:45:58] sapbeast: CCFL_Man: hopefully youve changed since then :p
[05:46:04] tjcarter: CCFL_Man: Linux is already running on a linksys media center extender.
[05:46:13] CCFL_Man: i think it uses an ati xilleon 220 standard definition
[05:46:27] CCFL_Man: tjcarter: it is?
[05:47:14] sapbeast: and about vnc, use tightvnc or die
[05:47:36] sapbeast: well, at least its the better one and ultravnc isnt ported i dont think
[05:48:14] CCFL_Man: sapbeast: i have, infact that was the first thing i thought about when i first heard the news, i never meant it personally against him, i never even knew him, but i hope all is well with his family and friends
[05:48:57] CCFL_Man: tjcarter: it runs on windows ce, basically an rdp client and video/audio player is basically what the software comprises
[05:49:53] tjcarter: The only WinCE device I know of that hasn't successfully booted Linux is my HTC Wizard
[05:50:29] CCFL_Man: tjcarter: you got linux running on the extender?
[05:50:43] CCFL_Man: url?
[05:53:38] tjcarter: I don't have one, and I'm not going to google for you
[05:54:04] tjcarter: I've seen details somewhere
[05:54:29] CCFL_Man: tjcarter: i googled for days and not found anything on running linux on a linksys media center extender
[05:55:40] CCFL_Man: or was it the hp extender that had linux running on it?
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[05:59:54] CCFL_Man: you sure the extenders can run linux?
[06:01:39] wishie: i seem to get a corrupt recordedmarkup.MYI table all the time
[06:01:56] wishie: and every couple of days, i seem to get a corrupt recorded.MYI aswell
[06:02:14] wishie: any ideas why this would be happening ? im using an SVN version from about 1 1/2 weeks ago
[06:03:09] Anduin: wishie: That should have nothing to do with myth
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[06:05:30] Z-Morek: quick opinion question, for my primary mythtv rig should I go svn or release?
[06:06:17] Anduin: Z-Morek: Standard answer is that if you have to ask you should run release.
[06:06:40] Anduin: (from -fixes, or packaged)
[06:07:00] wishie: Anduin: it seems to happen when myth is trying to enter data in the recordedmakrup.MYI table.. its doing it right now.. it happens straight after the TV signal glitches
[06:07:31] wishie: ive also noticed, if i get a glitch in my DVB stream, mythtv decides to start recording..which bugs the hell out of me
[06:07:46] Z-Morek: Anduin: I never really have time to keep up on the mailing lists, I was just wondering if the svn was stable at this point in time
[06:08:21] Anduin: wishie: I don't doubt myth is writing to the DB, keeping the DB sane is MySQL's job though.
[06:09:06] Anduin: Z-Morek: It is seldom too bad, still if you don't have time to follow the lists, and have no other compelling reason, I'd stick with -fixes.
[06:09:42] Z-Morek: sound advice, thanks
[06:11:44] wishie: Anduin: what would you suggest then ?
[06:12:12] wishie: "incorrect key file for table" is the error im getting
[06:12:27] Anduin: wishie: disk space for the DB ok?
[06:13:02] wishie: yeah, fine
[06:13:20] wishie: im also getting "NVP: Prebuffering pause" or some crap.. thats not DB related though, afaik
[06:14:26] wishie: and DVBSignalMonitor errors.. saying it cant calculate the BitErrorRate or something
[06:14:32] wishie: Operation no permitted.
[06:14:36] Anduin: wishie: Not generally, though if you are on the edge (machine wise), with a single FE/BE, it could be the DB and myth going for the disk
[06:14:53] wishie: FE/BE ?
[06:15:21] Anduin: frontend/backend
[06:15:23] wishie: this machine is a Dual Core Pentium D... i wouldny says thats "on the edge"
[06:16:10] wishie: the FE is using 23% CPU displaying a 1920x1080p image
[06:18:09] Anduin: wishie: How many prebuffering messages do you see? (Is this for live TV only?)
[06:18:50] wishie: well, im seeing quite a few prebuffering messages.. only bothered to look while watching liveTV
[06:19:05] wishie: its all i seem to have major dramas with
[06:19:19] wishie: its hard to see them through all the DB errors..
[06:19:53] wishie: i repair the recordedmarkup table, and all is fine, for a few seconds, then when mythtv goes to INSERT a record again, it corrupts it
[06:20:39] wishie: perhaps mysql, or qmysql is the problem ? what version of each is recommended
[06:23:11] Anduin: I'd look at mysql, there is no recommended version, just a minimal (which I think is 3.something)
[06:23:33] wishie: well, apt is showing a newer version of mysql available, so ill try that..
[06:23:36] wishie: brb
[06:24:01] wishie: 5.0.22 now...
[06:25:47] wishie: so what is this Prebuffering pause business ?
[06:26:11] wishie: and, as i mentioned before, if i get a glitch in my TV signal, mythtv starts recording things to the disk
[06:27:06] Anduin: wishie: Myth always records things to disk, the prebuffering pause is just the data loop not having any data
[06:28:19] wishie: Anduin: when i go to "watch recordings" i have LOTS of things that are all 1–2 minutes long
[06:28:34] Anduin: wishie: That is normal.
[06:28:36] wishie: from when each glitch occured in my signal
[06:28:44] wishie: normal ? its annoying as hell.
[06:28:49] Anduin: wishie: If you don't like it, hit m and filter out live TV
[06:29:12] wishie: hmm, didnt know you could do that.
[06:29:32] wishie: ok, now the 'recorded' table just crashed.
[06:29:37] wishie: this is very frustrating
[06:29:42] Anduin: I know nothing of the DVB support, but I find it hard to believe a glitch would make a new recording.
[06:31:40] wishie: so why does myth record little snippets of TV ? what is the point of that ?
[06:32:29] wishie: like, i have several files that are 13Mb, 8.4Mb, etc..
[06:32:54] Anduin: wishie: They should correspond to channel changes.
[06:34:52] wishie: well, im going to rebuild mythtv, to be sure..
[06:35:05] wishie: 10660 is the revision i just checked out..
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[07:00:17] wishie: so what is the purpose of mythtv making recordings when you change channels ?
[07:16:21] tjcarter: okay, someone in this channel protested that they had several SnapStream Firefly remotes and hated them because of squishy buttons
[07:16:47] tjcarter: if someone has this remote and it works with ati_remote.ko, I need to know =)
[07:17:06] tjcarter: if someone has the above and is looking to get rid of it, I really need to know.
[07:20:42] tjcarter: wishie: they are set to ultra-low priority
[07:21:03] tjcarter: wishie: it's so you don't get the tivo problem with only the last 30 min recorded
[07:21:37] tjcarter: this is why default is to put them only in Live TV group
[07:23:46] wishie: tivo problem ?
[07:23:56] wishie: never seen/used a tivo, so i wouldnt know
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[07:33:35] tjcarter: wishie: if you are watching a program and walk away from it paused, then come back and start recording, tivo might not record it all because it has a fixed 30 minute record buffer
[07:33:45] ** tjcarter needs a 0b7c:0004 remote. **
[07:35:25] tjcarter: er
[07:35:33] tjcarter: 0bc7:0004
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[07:42:01] Ediehow: please help, i don't know if someone else's remote is interfering with mine or what
[07:42:04] Ediehow: but it's driving me nuts
[07:42:14] Ediehow: just at different times of the day myth goes nuts until i turn off lirc
[07:43:28] tjcarter: what sort of remote?
[07:45:03] Dibblah: What times of the day, and is sunlight hitting the reciever?
[07:46:08] Ediehow: times vary
[07:46:15] Ediehow: and there's never sunlight in the room
[07:46:23] tjcarter: IR then.
[07:46:30] Ediehow: pinnacle remote
[07:46:55] Ediehow: it's driving me NUTS
[07:47:22] Ediehow: cant i change the "channel" of the receiver or something?
[07:49:10] Dibblah: Is there anything near the reciever that gets switched on when it's acting up? Do you have fluorescent lights?
[07:49:30] Ediehow: it happens when all lights are off
[07:49:45] Ediehow: nothing is different when it doesn't work
[07:49:47] Ediehow: in the room
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[07:51:00] Dibblah: Does it happen when you load the machine?
[07:51:16] Dibblah: (dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null in a console)
[07:52:17] Ediehow: what?
[07:52:32] Ediehow: the variable is not the computer or the room i am in
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[07:52:53] Ediehow: someone else thought it might be another remote being used
[07:52:59] Dibblah: Okay, well, if you've diagnosed it then fix it.
[07:53:00] Ediehow: and it seems more and more that that is the case
[07:53:18] Ediehow: what are you talking about?
[07:53:25] Ediehow: tjcarter: do you have any ideas?
[07:53:42] Ediehow: tjcarter: do you know if with pinnacle can you change it to " a different channel" or something?
[07:54:02] Ediehow: so whatever is interfering now would no longer?
[07:54:15] Dibblah: Ediehow: No, you can't.
[07:54:32] Ediehow: hmm
[07:54:50] Dibblah: Have you tried mode2 to see if you're actually seeing continual noise?
[07:55:13] Ediehow: how do i do that?
[07:55:19] Dibblah: And is this a public room in any way?
[07:55:24] Ediehow: no, my apt
[07:55:37] Dibblah: Stop lircd, then mode2 from a shell.
[07:55:45] Ediehow: like, right now it's been working fine for a while
[07:55:52] Ediehow: sometimes my mythtv would turn on in the middle of the night
[07:55:59] Ediehow: out of the blue, and coincidentally, the power button is on the remote
[07:56:11] Dibblah: Do you have cats? ;)
[07:56:17] Ediehow: :)
[07:56:19] Ediehow: nope, no animals
[07:56:27] Ediehow: i can't see any variables at all in the immediate room
[07:56:34] Ediehow: no light changes, etc
[07:56:36] Dibblah: Ah. You have gremlins, then.
[07:56:56] Ediehow: like earlier i was trying to watch a recording, and i ended up having to stop lirc cuz it kept going back 10 minutes
[07:57:04] Ediehow: the equiv of down arrow or whatever
[07:57:07] Ediehow: as soon as i did, it stopped
[07:57:19] Ediehow: but the other night, all things the same, watching a recording, it worked fine
[07:58:19] wishie: hmm, upgraded to latest SVN, now i have database issues
[07:58:28] wishie: it errors when updating the schema
[07:58:49] wishie: Duplicate column name 'diseqcid'
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[08:23:12] Dibblah: wishie: You've used the diseqc branch previously?
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[08:32:33] wishie: i blew the DB away, and started from scratch
[08:32:39] wishie: nothing too important in there anyway
[08:33:01] wishie: umm, how can i remove a plugin.. i want to get rid of mythphone, as its causing mythfrontend to segfault
[08:37:26] tfm: rpm -e mythphone
[08:38:59] wishie: hehe, if i used an RPM based distro, that'd be great, but i dont :)
[08:39:12] wishie: where does it store its files ?
[08:40:01] wishie: found it.
[08:40:04] wishie: trying that...brb
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[08:48:39] rambo3: how acurete are keycodes for xmame in mythwiki. xmame accepts keys but does nothing
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[09:05:30] wishie: how can i change my mythfrontend theme without loading mythfrontend ?
[09:05:44] wishie: i put a pin code on the "settings" area, and the theme/skin im using doesnt like that
[09:05:52] wishie: it doesnt allow me a place to put the pin in
[09:08:57] wishie: is it in the database ?
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[09:20:43] |yak|: hi, i'm struggeling with svn complie on suse 10, dialogbox.cpp:61: error: class QButtonGroup has no member named find
[09:21:03] |yak|: can any one help please?
[09:22:09] rambo3: apt-build mythtv
[09:22:52] |yak|: ok ty, i've configured yast, but i can set apt up
[09:23:21] wishie: anyone help me with either resetting my theme, or disabling the PIN i put on the setup section ?
[09:23:32] wishie: is the pin stored in the DB? or in a file ?
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[09:24:44] |yak|: just having a look wishie
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[09:27:07] |yak|: SetupPinCodeRequired
[09:27:13] |yak|: in the settings table
[09:27:17] |yak|: of the db
[09:27:56] wishie: righto.. checking now
[09:29:04] tjcarter: don't suppose anyone knows where I can find hardware docs for the X10/ATI/Medion/Snapstream remote receivers?
[09:30:12] wishie: brb, testing.
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[10:34:56] timmow: hi has anyone had a problem where mythdvd will not write the transcoded file to the video folder?
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[10:39:48] Juski: yawning!
[10:43:23] timmow: hang on there is no transcode process running – so where does mythdvd get the progress bar from?
[10:45:21] Juski: mtd more than likely
[10:45:43] liran_: i got my card working with dual view for vga/dvi and the svideo out :)
[10:45:47] liran_: really cool
[10:46:25] timmow: now copying and pasting the transcode command from the log seems to be working
[10:46:40] timmow: so does anyone have any ideas why mtd is not starting transcode
[10:46:47] timmow: or am I missing something?
[10:49:02] timmow: i have to run transcode as root – I started mtd as root though
[10:49:41] timmow: is there any way to see the messages that a mtd spawned transcode outputs
[10:50:18] Juski: no idea. does the mailing list archive know?
[10:58:46] timmow: this is silly. Surely mtd just runs that transcode command. Or is the idea that transcode command is an equivalent to what mtd is doing?
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[12:05:02] fish_: can i use VPS to record with mythv?
[12:05:09] fish_: mythtv
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[12:20:25] GreyFoxx: What's vps ?
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[12:37:04] fish_: GreyFoxx: ah, seams thats its only used in european countries
[12:37:23] fish_: its the older standard of "PDC"
[12:37:28] fish_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_Delivery_Control
[12:38:16] fish_: seams that when i try to record a show with mythtv it simply starts recording at the given time and not tries to find the beginning of the show
[12:38:29] fish_: thats what VPS is for (and as it seams, also PDC)
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[12:41:58] LLyric: fish_: it seems that mythtv doesn't currently support VPS, but it's been talked about quite a few times
[12:43:29] fish_: that sucks :(
[12:43:47] LLyric: It's very current, like I expect it to be done in the next few months
[12:43:59] LLyric: start reading from http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mythtv-dev&am . . . 1017&w=2
[12:45:54] fish_: its strange.. everytimes is use some new cool programs one of the most needed features for me is just right before its done ;)
[12:47:19] fish_: i startet with freevo but i want visulisations for mp3s which wont come before freevo2 which is in svn allready but "not useable until a few weeks" ;)
[12:48:20] timmow: is it normal for a DVD to take 3 hours to transcode on an amd64 3500+
[12:49:31] Juski: VPS, like PDC is a propriatary format. if mythtv were to use it you'd have to pay a fee for it
[12:49:33] timmow: btw i managed to solve my mythdvd problem – the progress display was confusing me
[12:51:24] Juski: fish_: the mythtv & xmltv developers have gone to great lengths to make the programme guide as easy to use as possible, and far more flexible than VPS. If that sucks, stick to your VCR :-P
[12:52:08] timmow: yeah I love mythtv even my mac loving housemate seems to be impressed with the ui
[12:52:33] Juski: heh. there's usually no pleasing them buggers either
[12:53:23] Juski: wait til we get real bling :-)
[12:54:25] fish_: Juski: the problem is just that a show dont starts exatcly at the time which it should
[12:55:32] timmow: fish_: there are options to start recording early and finish late
[12:55:43] timmow: fish_: and it is a breeze to edit the file to remove the extra
[12:55:54] Juski: so? VCRs have that problem too, and have had since time began
[12:56:02] fish_: timmow: yes, i know
[12:56:03] janneg: Juski: at least for dvb and atsc something like vps/pdc is easy to implement if the stations send full eit or rst information
[12:56:42] timmow: fish_: most my programs seem to start on time – but I always add some extra on just to be safe
[12:56:43] janneg: Juski: zeah and vps/pdc is the szstem to solve it for vcrs
[12:56:44] fish_: Juski: yes? well, maybe your "PDC" doesnt work ;) but here in germany the VPS usually works fine
[12:56:58] Juski: well yeah.. and folks are working on xmltv & EIT integration, I gather, which will mean shows start bang-on time if the EIT data is kept up to date by the broadcaster
[12:57:28] Juski: the EIT re-write is gonna be very spiffy indeed
[12:57:39] timmow: in the uk, using dvb t something seems to be working right. Either I haven't got a late broadcast yet, or myth has sorted it out
[12:58:16] Juski: fish_: still doesn't solve the problem that myth would need to pay a licence fee for VPS, and that part of mythtv couldn't be open source
[12:59:05] GreyFoxx: Juski: Wonder if myth will be changed to sync to the clock on the DVB signal, since your PC time might be a couple minutes off from wha the DVB broadcaster is sync'd too
[12:59:23] Juski: so hold on for a bit til EIT gets properly fixed ;-) and QUIT WHINING
[12:59:23] fish_: Juski: afaik vps is "free"
[13:01:00] Juski: oops I got PDC/VPS confused with that stupid video+. my apologies :-)
[13:02:02] fish_: and for pdc you need to buy a licence?
[13:02:04] Juski: in which case.. PDC/VPS rely on VBI data, which can't be parsed by newer PVR cards (yet). for DVB there's always been EIT :-)
[13:02:23] Juski: no like I said I'd got it mixed up with Gemstar's VideoPlus. my bad
[13:03:26] Juski: GreyFoxx: good idea about setting linux time to DVB time! I'd thought about it a while ago but I suspect that most people already use NTP
[13:03:45] GreyFoxx: I would say most probable don't use anything
[13:04:03] GreyFoxx: but if you are recording from DVB using EIT data it would make sense to sync to the dvb clock
[13:04:14] Juski: most bbc shows run to the right time, so if myth is set to record at the exact time the show starts, the very beginning of the recording is just before the opening titles :-)
[13:04:16] GreyFoxx: Even if it's just a cronjob calling dvbdate
[13:04:24] fish_: afaik its part of the teletext, so every card with teletext should work, right?
[13:04:46] Juski: fish_: teletext == VBI data, which doesn't (yet) work from PVR150 / PVR500 cards
[13:04:59] Juski: so you're left with either pvr250/pvr350 or shitty software encoders
[13:05:35] fish_: well, better than nothing
[13:06:05] Juski: EIT is much better.
[13:06:26] Juski: thinking about teletext actually I'm still surprised there's not been an EPG grabber from teletext
[13:06:51] fish_: but it can only be used for dvb, right?
[13:06:53] fish_: (EIT)
[13:07:05] Juski: fish_ yeah, but analogue is going the way of the Dodo
[13:07:15] Juski: in 2012 we lose analogue in the UK
[13:08:19] fish_: we have lost terestrial analog already here in germany
[13:08:32] fish_: but i have (analog) cabel tv
[13:08:49] Juski: woooo! good on you, Germany!
[13:08:49] fish_: like much ppl in the cities
[13:09:23] Juski: analogue cable will die out eventually, but it'll take a loooong time
[13:09:34] fish_: yes
[13:10:15] fish_: i would like to switch to dvb-s but a dish on our balcony would be pretty ugly (at least thats what my girlfriend things) ;)
[13:10:45] Juski: you'll have to get a house
[13:10:52] fish_: ;)
[13:15:57] fish_: or wait for dvb-c
[13:16:06] Juski: dvb radio is something in 0.20 I'm really looking forward to
[13:16:16] fish_: or install a "nicer" dvb-t antenna
[13:17:16] Juski: oh and just FYI... people who think dvb channel changes take too long in 0.19 and 0.19-fixes... my cable box has been _slower_ than that since they 'improved' my digital cable service
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[13:47:48] Juski: pleh. ever start tidying up & sorting out then wishing you never had?
[13:49:16] gardengnome: yeah
[13:49:31] gardengnome: it sucks :/ there's so much stuff i wanna keep that's completely useless.
[13:50:00] Juski: I've binned my old AiW card. I have closure!
[13:50:20] Juski: so at least I've achieved _something) this last hour
[13:51:09] gardengnome: heh
[13:51:30] gardengnome: i helped the GF tidy up after a party, that's enough cleaning for me today. ;)
[13:54:42] Juski: will also be doing a major cable purge today... if only so I have room to unpack the box from last weekend
[13:56:03] [Jasper]: hej Juski :P
[13:56:10] [Jasper]: it's almost time to install mythtv :P
[13:57:03] Juski: I've installed mythtv too many times this month already
[13:57:19] Juski: all worked though :-P
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[14:05:20] [Jasper]: juski I just need x11-xorg right?
[14:06:58] Juski: yup
[14:08:50] tkaine: is the Internal player capable of playing Video-DVDs, or any plans to implement it?
[14:09:28] Juski: the Internal player can play DVDs, but menu support still isn't there 100% yet
[14:09:40] tkaine: Juski: What is lacking, more specifically?
[14:10:03] Juski: last I read about it was that it _works_ but not with every disc
[14:10:07] gardengnome: tkaine: menu support. :)
[14:10:21] gardengnome: i hear that menu support in svn trunk works pretty well
[14:10:23] tkaine: gardengnome: The viewing of, navigation of... ?
[14:10:28] Juski: menu support was working-ish in svn
[14:10:34] tkaine: So I should expect it in the next version. cool
[14:10:39] Juski: tkaine: try it yourself you lazy arse
[14:10:54] tkaine: Juski: I will later, right now its playing a DVD for the woman.
[14:11:08] tkaine: Or else Id be trying it now myself
[14:11:27] Juski: xine is good though
[14:11:57] tkaine: Yeah, Xine plays them very well, thats what Im using now. I just cant wait until I can have the OSD be consistent across the board.
[14:12:15] tkaine: Im using Internal for the rest
[14:12:40] Juski: time-stretching DVDs.. :-D
[14:13:32] Juski: I had a damn good ponder about what I'd need to make a whole new frontend program. the theory is simple ;-)
[14:14:24] fish_: can i detach from mythmusic to, ie. use mythbrowser and still hear the music?
[14:14:56] gardengnome: fish_: no :/
[14:15:55] Juski: not yet
[14:15:57] Juski: ;-)
[14:16:46] Juski: it's going to need a pretty major rework of code, but at least it'll bring other cool stuff once the UI is rewritten
[14:17:40] gardengnome: i think i've heard that it'll be easier once libmythui is in place
[14:19:25] Juski: put the visualisation on an opengl texture behind the UI elements :-D
[14:19:42] Juski: video playback behind the UI !!
[14:19:56] Juski: a lot like xbmc does now
[14:20:07] gardengnome: wow, xbmc must be really nifty then
[14:20:20] Juski: it is
[14:20:42] Juski: actually I'd like myth to be self-contained one day. No X as such.. just all in one binary
[14:20:42] gardengnome: that might also kick eliza's (or how you spell it) ass
[14:20:52] gardengnome: no X?
[14:20:56] gardengnome: how's that gonna work?
[14:21:51] Juski: I dunno.. just be nice to have 'embedded' mythtv don't you think? would be limited to certain sets of hardware I guess
[14:22:51] Juski: course it's only a dream.. the way X & everything works it'd be too much work to embed it into one place
[14:27:03] gardengnome: yep. the os X package works like that... but hey, you already have minimyth :)
[14:27:43] Juski: heh
[14:27:57] Juski: there should be more minimal distros IMHO
[14:28:14] Juski: too many people are as lazy as me, or worse :-P
[14:28:18] gardengnome: hehe ;)
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[14:30:40] Juski: one of the big things about xbmc is that it loads so fscking fast
[14:30:58] Juski: windows ce-ish
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[14:41:35] Juski: bye bye homemade IrDA transceiver
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[14:48:03] Aid`: i wish i could make homemade hardware
[14:49:09] Juski: I wish VLC could play a gapless CD properly
[14:51:44] dougl: Aid`: what do you want to make?
[14:52:24] Juski: everyone should learn to solder IMHO
[14:52:34] Juski: keep plastic surgeons in business :-P
[14:53:35] dougl: I have never met anyone that could not solder – when they tried a few suggestions made it work.
[14:54:16] Juski: aye but to solder _well_ takes skill
[14:55:35] dougl: yeah – I wouldn't say everyone could do scope probes or anything :)
[14:55:58] Juski: or 0402 SMT resistors & crap
[14:55:59] dougl: smt and such usually causes problems too.
[14:56:27] dougl: Juski: have you seen the bga configs on some ic's?
[14:56:35] Juski: I can reball a BGA device with the right gear
[14:56:52] Juski: been a few years since I did it though
[14:57:05] dougl: actually that is what I was currently trying to learn about... the gear.
[14:57:44] Juski: if we ever get a BGA rework station at work I'll upgrade my xbox CPU & RAM
[14:58:06] dougl: I was hacking around on some ps2 unit that quit working... got the chip off but I'd like to know how to get it back on... I cannot really test it :)
[14:58:44] Juski: the gear to fix BGA devices is very expensive
[14:58:54] dougl: shouldn't you be able to get bga sockets?
[14:59:03] Juski: no you cant
[14:59:41] dougl: err – I guess the packaging would make that impssible demand to meet – bga = custom chips right?
[14:59:50] Juski: at least none that fit on the same footprint
[15:00:34] dougl: what do you think I could google for for bga/smt station?
[15:00:35] Juski: nah BGA devices are very commonplace now. the cx23416 as used on pvr250.. and the pvr150's video decoder/mpeg encoder IC
[15:01:07] Juski: dougl: we're tallking serious, five figure sums at least
[15:01:15] Juski: even ex-works
[15:02:26] dougl: hmmm – that is no backyard butcher budget... still would like to see it tho... even enroll in a local tech school.
[15:02:44] Juski: you could always pay an electronic rework house to replace the chip, but it'd prolly cost the same as buying a new board
[15:02:51] Juski: if not more
[15:03:09] Juski: hmmm.. old 56k modem.. keep or chuck?
[15:03:12] dougl: liability – there would be something in there to cover that
[15:03:19] dougl: chuck
[15:05:25] Juski: jees.. 50w scsi ribbon cables... lol
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[15:08:56] Juski: oo araldite :-)
[15:13:04] [Jasper]: Juski you know if there's a 64 bit ivtv driver?
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[15:14:17] Juski: [Jasper]: no idea. see the ivtv docs
[15:15:44] [Jasper]: found a bit on the inet
[15:19:34] [Jasper]: get a lot of errors
[15:19:44] [Jasper]: config_video_dev: is not set when it should be
[15:20:00] [Jasper]: config_video_v4l1 is not set when it should be
[15:20:00] [Jasper]: etc..
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[15:21:30] Plex: hello. I've managed to set samba so I can mount my linux drive on my network, but I don't seem to have write privs. any ideas on how to authenticate in?
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[15:24:29] [Jasper]: Juski http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/ivtv.txt , any clue?
[15:26:29] Juski: [Jasper]: the line Incorrect kernel configuration options tells me something
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[15:27:58] [Jasper]: it means I don't have somethijng included in my kernel?
[15:28:06] Juski: yep
[15:28:15] [Jasper]: what can it be?
[15:28:23] Juski: the stuff it mentions
[15:28:28] Juski: get buildy buildy
[15:28:39] Juski: something tells me gentoo isn't for you
[15:28:54] [Jasper]: it is
[15:28:54] [Jasper]: :P
[15:29:10] [Jasper]: only I have no clue where I can find video 4 linux in my kernel :P
[15:33:34] Juski: multimedia
[15:34:00] [Jasper]: yeah, I found it
[15:34:06] [Jasper]: just wondering if it's more I should enable
[15:34:16] [Jasper]: video-dev and stuff
[15:35:49] Juski: anyway I thought I was on holiday from helping & was just here for moral support
[15:35:51] [Jasper]: found them all
[15:35:52] [Jasper]: :P
[15:35:57] [Jasper]: I hope
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[15:43:00] Fnc_: hey all right now i have an 80 gig drive with 2 partitions, right now im mounting like 60gb to /myth ... id like to add a 300 gb drive to /myth/tv ...I have a few questions: what should i format the 300gb drive as? also how should i go about moving my current /myth/tv directory to the new drive? and automounting it?
[15:47:00] tkaine: Fnc_: Im doing the same. I just add the auto mount to fstab and run a symlink from /myth to the other drive. Its formatted as reiserfs.
[15:47:06] Anduin: Fnc_: format it with the filesystem you like, some use xfs, extX, others, as for myth, as long as you maintain the path, a simple cp.
[15:47:32] tkaine: Fnc_: You can use whatever filesystem you like though, ext3 for example if you prefer.
[15:48:21] Fnc_: yeah ive seen a few different recomendations i was just wondering if some give better performance
[15:48:23] Fnc_: ?
[15:48:45] tkaine: Fnc_: I believe its xfs thats preferred for performance, though I dont use it.
[15:48:57] tkaine: Fnc_: Or perhaps jfs. Someone else wanna correct me?
[15:49:32] Anduin: People use, and insult both.
[15:49:37] tkaine: heh
[15:49:45] tkaine: I like reiserfs, personally.
[15:50:09] podzap: nothing beats xfs for delete speed on large files
[15:50:27] podzap: i just deleted 24gb of files in 0.45s
[15:50:47] podzap: try that with ext3
[15:51:25] Fnc_: how do you format something using xfs?
[15:51:36] podzap: mkfs.xfs /dev/foo
[15:51:49] tkaine: Fnc_: Same way as anything else. Perhaps just fireup a knoppix disk and run qtparted if you want an easy gui.
[15:52:25] Fnc_: never used qtpated
[15:52:36] [Jasper]: hmm
[15:52:50] tkaine: You could also use: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[15:52:54] tkaine: gparted
[15:53:14] tkaine: Tiny livecd specifically for partitioning
[15:55:09] [Jasper]: juski any clue which one the CONFIG_VIDEO_TUNER
[15:55:18] [Jasper]: and CONFIG_VIDEO_TVEEPROM are?
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[15:59:35] Fnc_: dont suppose theres anything like partition magic for linux? so i could combine my old hda3 to hda1?
[15:59:58] tkaine: Fnc_: Thats, kinda, what the gparted livecd is.
[16:00:54] Fnc_: well.. i just downloaded... got to burn it
[16:01:01] tkaine: Fnc_: Dont use gparted from a local installation, though. Just use its livecd.
[16:02:05] Fnc_: ok
[16:03:36] Juski: yeh messing with partition stuff is risky if they're mounted :-P
[16:06:21] tkaine: Not to mention that the regular gparted found in apt never works properly. heh
[16:07:13] GreyFoxx: 0
[16:07:53] tkaine: GreyFoxx: You get the new link I sent about mythtv button sounds? Still want it?
[16:09:59] Juski: no button sounds, please! please! pretty please!
[16:10:13] Fnc_: so any recomendations? should i just put the /myuth/tv on the 300gb? or transfer the whole /myth dir?
[16:10:24] tkaine: Juski: lol. You have to add them if you want em, so relax ;-)
[16:10:47] tkaine: Fnc_: Your choice
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[16:12:02] tkaine: Fnc_: Whatever is going to be the most effective use of your disk space
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[16:14:26] Juski: 3 binbag fulls later & I still have too much junk :-/
[16:14:42] lelo_1966: anyone know how to tell how my cpu utilization myth is taking up via ssh?
[16:14:53] lelo_1966: much
[16:15:06] podzap: 3 binbags full later
[16:15:55] podzap:
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[16:17:06] Juski: binbags.. big bags for rubbish.. the kind you'd put in the bin you have outside to line it
[16:18:37] Zide: /bin/bag
[16:19:00] Anduin: trash bags
[16:19:12] Zide: body part bag
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[16:23:24] Fnc_: just like partition magic... thanks
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[16:28:05] riddlebox: if mythtv is saving my videos as an mpg, can I burn them directly to dvd then?
[16:31:24] tkaine: Fnc_: np
[16:32:25] Fnc_: juski: your using vlc right?
[16:34:18] Juski: riddlebox: use mythburn, or if using SVN head, mytharchive. otherwise read the wiki
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[16:36:47] podzap: currently filling up a 750GB media partition with dvd iso images...
[16:37:07] podzap: enough space to hold about 100 dvds
[16:37:15] [Jasper]: Juski I managed to emerge ivtv
[16:37:36] podzap: i just emerged from the toilet
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[16:37:40] [Jasper]: but now I'm getting some errors in the form of ; failed to load modules tveeprom
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[16:39:05] Juski: [Jasper]: did you build the modules you need? I don't think you did...
[16:39:24] [Jasper]: I put thgem in the kernel
[16:39:36] [Jasper]: and when I lsmod tveeprom is loaded
[16:39:38] [Jasper]: ..
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[16:40:11] Fnc_: [Jasper] : loading things in the right order?
[16:40:32] [Jasper]: I just load ivtv
[16:40:41] [Jasper]: I thought ivtv would initialise the rest?
[16:40:49] [Jasper]: I put ivtv in the autoload
[16:41:52] Fnc_: i helped a friend whos stuff loaded in the wrong order for some reason.. if we were to remove the mod, then reload. things would work
[16:42:08] Fnc_: so we had to move things around a bit
[16:42:28] [Jasper]: every module fails though :P
[16:42:30] [Jasper]: loading
[16:42:34] Fnc_: oh nm
[16:42:51] Fnc_: wait what you mean by everymodule?
[16:42:54] [Jasper]: failed to load module tuner , tda9887, cx25840, wm8775
[16:42:56] Fnc_: tveepron is loades?
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[16:43:07] Fnc_: er ed
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[16:43:15] [Jasper]: tveeprom is the first to fail
[16:43:15] [Jasper]: :P
[16:43:19] gardengnome: well
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[16:43:34] gardengnome: why is it trying to load these modules when they're in the kernel anyways?
[16:43:47] [Jasper]: they're not in the kernel
[16:43:48] gardengnome: maybe it's trying to insmod them with some special parameters to make your card work.
[16:43:52] [Jasper]: they're as modules in the kernel configuration
[16:43:52] gardengnome: ah, ok.
[16:44:09] gardengnome: how can it not load them then?
[16:44:15] [Jasper]: no idea
[16:44:16] Fnc_: try removing the ivtv mod, then the tveeeprom
[16:44:18] [Jasper]: if I would know that
[16:44:23] [Jasper]: how can I see what happends
[16:44:30] [Jasper]: becuase when I modprobe ivtv it shows nothing
[16:44:30] Fnc_: then reload.. from a comand prompt, see what happens?
[16:44:37] [Jasper]: I forgot the command to see what happend
[16:44:50] [Jasper]: there was this command to see error history
[16:44:52] [Jasper]: but I forgot it
[16:44:56] Fnc_: i just car /var/log/messages
[16:45:00] Fnc_: er cat
[16:45:21] [Jasper]: dmesg
[16:45:21] [Jasper]: it was
[16:45:41] Fnc_: yeah dmesg is in my messages
[16:45:49] Fnc_: one has time stamps one doesnt...
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[16:45:58] [Jasper]: http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/dmesg.txtg
[16:45:59] [Jasper]: http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/dmesg.txt
[16:46:01] [Jasper]: check that
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[16:46:58] Fnc_: did you compile ivtv with those modules that are failing?
[16:47:11] [Jasper]: I just emerged ivtv
[16:47:12] [Jasper]: :P
[16:47:15] [Jasper]: in gentoo
[16:47:21] [Jasper]: I thought let's try that :P
[16:47:26] [Jasper]: instead of compiling myself
[16:48:57] Fnc_: my best guess recompile...
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[16:49:27] [Jasper]: it's weird
[16:49:31] [Jasper]: why doesn't it load the modules
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[16:51:01] Fnc_: do a rmmod tveeprom
[16:51:04] Fnc_: hit dmesg
[16:51:12] Fnc_: then do a insmod tveeprom
[16:51:16] Fnc_: dmesg
[16:51:25] [Jasper]: 1 sec
[16:51:26] Fnc_: see what happens there?
[16:51:31] [Jasper]: I added all the modules to my modules.autoload.d
[16:51:33] [Jasper]: see what happends now
[16:52:51] [Jasper]: hmm
[16:52:55] [Jasper]: stilll getting the errors
[16:52:58] [Jasper]: weird stuff
[16:53:12] Fnc_: you did the rm and in mods?
[16:53:19] [Jasper]: gonna do it now
[16:53:46] [Jasper]: rmmod ivtv shows modules tveeprom is in uyse by ivtv
[16:54:05] Fnc_: ivtv looked like it loaded
[16:54:15] Fnc_: try it on tveeprom
[16:55:04] gardengnome: can you modprobe tuner manually?
[16:55:28] [Jasper]: when I modprobe ivtv mantually
[16:55:34] [Jasper]: it detects everything
[16:55:42] [Jasper]: but I still egt the can't load modules error
[16:56:32] Fnc_: it loads the tuner
[16:56:33] Fnc_: ?
[16:56:51] [Jasper]: appears so
[16:57:16] Fnc_: has a tuner line, with the right number?
[16:57:26] Fnc_: dmesg |grep tuner
[16:58:01] [Jasper]: 1 sec
[16:58:06] [Jasper]: I'm catting it to a file
[16:58:15] [Jasper]: video 0 and video1
[16:58:19] [Jasper]: if it shows anything it works
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[17:02:01] [Jasper]: hmm
[17:02:01] [Jasper]: ok
[17:02:04] [Jasper]: now it's getting weird
[17:02:16] [Jasper]: I'm getting the errors Fnc_
[17:02:20] [Jasper]: but the card works normal :P
[17:02:28] Fnc_: sounds like my cue to bow out gracefully
[17:02:36] [Jasper]: :P
[17:02:46] Fnc_: hmm
[17:02:51] [Jasper]: why would it give me these errors..
[17:02:55] [Jasper]: I'm confused :P
[17:03:21] Fnc_: same here, but i havent used emerge all that much...
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[17:09:38] [Jasper]: ok this is really weird
[17:12:34] gardengnome: Juski: i'd suggest that you take some notes to write down your problem and describe the steps you've taken to debug it, including the results.
[17:12:40] gardengnome: err, [Jasper]
[17:13:11] gardengnome: f'ing brace ;)
[17:14:02] Juski: gardengnome: fuck you :-)
[17:14:14] [Jasper]: gardengnome :P
[17:14:34] Juski: damn thought-reading text entry
[17:15:07] [Jasper]: hmm
[17:15:15] gardengnome: Juski: i wish i could.
[17:16:15] [Jasper]: ok, it appears I need to load the other modules first gardengnome
[17:16:21] Juski: mrs J is in a foul mood. despite it not being my fault she has a hangover, and despite doing the damn housework last night while she was out
[17:16:43] gardengnome: Juski: lock yourself in your geek lab then.
[17:17:44] Juski: today I am mostly asking myself why people get married
[17:17:45] [Jasper]: 8)
[17:17:49] [Jasper]: ai
[17:17:54] [Jasper]: how long have you been married Juski ?
[17:18:04] Juski: too fucking long
[17:18:19] [Jasper]: sounds like you're enjoying it
[17:18:20] [Jasper]: :P
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[17:18:51] [Jasper]: waiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttttttt
[17:18:54] [Jasper]: I found something
[17:19:19] [Jasper]: gardengnome all modules are loaded in autoload right?
[17:19:26] [Jasper]: modules.autoload.d right
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[17:20:48] Juski: note to self.. don't kick the pc
[17:21:14] [Jasper]: :p
[17:22:01] Fnc_: heh
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[17:23:58] [Jasper]: ok this is weird
[17:24:07] [Jasper]: Juski maybe you can help me...my ivtv gets loaded in udev
[17:24:21] [Jasper]: can I get it out of udev?
[17:24:27] Juski: I told you I'm on holiday
[17:25:25] Juski: plus I know squat about udev :-P
[17:25:32] gardengnome: umm
[17:25:36] Juski: ooo black magic!
[17:25:37] gardengnome: there's a blacklist file
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[17:47:45] nettwerk: hey all
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[18:04:54] Juski: gardengnome: http://www.rimron.co.uk/lugradio/
[18:05:11] Juski: 2nd paragraph... :-O
[18:09:18] gardengnome: ouch :/
[18:10:28] Juski: heh. stuff happens :)
[18:10:45] GreyFoxx: Sounds like they beat up on your pretty good during the interview
[18:10:48] GreyFoxx: was it that bad ?
[18:11:04] Juski: download it on monday to find out
[18:11:27] GreyFoxx: heh
[18:11:34] Juski: I don't think it was all _that_ bad, but I felt a little awkward for a bit
[18:12:42] GreyFoxx: anytime says in a confrontational manner " How come X app does/doesn't have Y feature/library?" and you aren't the one who actually made the decision its awkward :)
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[18:12:56] Juski: either way I hope a message gets out to people who can make a difference. I hate that the mythtv community has a reputation like that
[18:14:17] Juski: I've stopped beating myself up about it, and I think the questions were fair
[18:14:44] GreyFoxx: I'm sure many were. Can't wait to download it and find out what was said
[18:15:32] Juski: I look a bit petrified in the photo that someone took of me mid-interview.. unaccustomed to public speaking
[18:15:34] GreyFoxx: I just always find it amusing in the Opensource world however that many people like to jump up and tell you that something should be done a different way, but are never willing to actually make the changes
[18:15:37] GreyFoxx: hehe
[18:16:10] Juski: yes but there's the question of.. are you doing this for _you_ or for the community? ;-)
[18:16:35] GreyFoxx: Juski: I don't mind public speaking, I use to have to do it a lot. But they always get pictures of me mid cough/blink/sneeze :)
[18:16:48] Juski: lol
[18:16:57] Juski: they never get my good side (the back) either
[18:18:09] Fnc_: who was it that was talking the other day about using vlc to stream stuff to their office?
[18:18:11] GreyFoxx: Juski: I'm honest. 976% of the time it's for me but I do try to make it useful to as many people as possible. The other 3% I do for others even when the end don't really benefit me
[18:18:20] GreyFoxx: err 97% :)
[18:18:25] GreyFoxx: Fnc-1: Me
[18:18:46] Fnc_: GreyFoxx could you explain how that works...?
[18:18:52] Fnc_: please?
[18:18:53] GreyFoxx: I have a mythbox at the office now so I don't use it much anymore, but I use to do it all the time at my last job
[18:18:58] GreyFoxx: What part ?
[18:19:07] Juski: and when the Freevo guy came to our stand, boy I _wish_ I'd known freevo is still limited to all in one box. sounds like they're doing cool stuff for wireless clients though
[18:19:09] Fnc_: do you have it tied into myth?
[18:19:19] GreyFoxx: Fnc-1: Nope
[18:19:48] GreyFoxx: There is a "mythstreamtv" patch for mythweb that gives a webmenu to do it from there, but I just call it from a shell script
[18:19:50] Fnc_: but you were streamin recorded myth shows right?
[18:19:52] gardengnome: Juski: for wireless clients? what could that be?
[18:19:56] Juski: GreyFoxx: that's fair enough. I mean this is all done in people's spare time and folks need to appreciate that
[18:20:11] Juski: gardengnome: on one level, a remote control
[18:20:22] Juski: on another level, a streamer for recordings & stuff
[18:20:24] GreyFoxx: Fnc-1: yup. LiveTV, recordings or other content
[18:20:49] GreyFoxx: I have 1 shell script for streaming video files (including recordings) and another for streaming livetv+tuning to the channel I want
[18:22:36] Fnc_: no need to reencode for strreaming? kind of wondering about performance?!?
[18:22:48] GreyFoxx: Fnc-1: vlc transcodes on the fly
[18:23:00] GreyFoxx: the output uses whatever codec/bitrate I set
[18:23:01] gardengnome: Juski: well, nothing that mythtv can't do, right?
[18:23:24] gardengnome: Juski: btw, what problem does jono have with the developers? his usability report?
[18:23:27] GreyFoxx: Juski: People often forget that. Other they just don't know enough about something but have a "feeling" it;s bad
[18:23:40] GreyFoxx: Like people who bitch about using QT or X.
[18:24:03] GreyFoxx: They are worried about wasting 150meg of space on asystem doing 2G per hour recordings? wtf?
[18:24:32] Juski: gardengnome: yeh it was the 'usability report' posting and the resultant flaming
[18:24:51] GreyFoxx: He's done that report twice now right ?> One recently?
[18:24:56] GreyFoxx: Or was that a second person >?
[18:25:04] Juski: the recent one was someone else
[18:25:17] Juski: and it was all positive so it got a good reaction (IMHO)
[18:25:29] Fnc_: GreyFoxx: is there a good howto, for setting up vlc, and tieing it into mythweb (mythstreamtv) ?
[18:26:06] gardengnome: GreyFoxx: that was DGnome and friends
[18:26:08] GreyFoxx: The first flaming was mainly because instead of doing a report about the usability of SVN, he chose a 6month only version just before the next release was out, and most all of his problems had already been changed
[18:26:20] gardengnome: Juski: it got reaction? wow, didn't see that :)
[18:26:36] GreyFoxx: but yeah, some people can bounce a little too quickly
[18:26:38] Fnc_: heres a general question.. when you do cp with -p does it apply the permissions at the end of the copy?
[18:26:47] GreyFoxx: Fnc-1: It should yeah
[18:26:54] GreyFoxx: Fnc-1: No idea
[18:27:08] GreyFoxx: Fnc-1: I don;t know if there is a current version of mythstreamtv, though there likely is
[18:27:11] Juski: there was blame on both sides I think. That said nobody should be treated like that – mailing list or otherwise
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[18:28:24] Juski: I've been guilty of being a hot-headed type here on many occasions – something I'm very mindful of now
[18:29:05] lelo_1966: anyone have an idea on how to get a proper screen size so it doesnt stretch into the tv. I have already tried to modify xorg.conf and no dice
[18:29:10] GreyFoxx: Yeah. I think sometimes we can all take it person when something you work hard on is in your mind unfairly critiqued
[18:29:13] sphing: hey GreyFoxx , do you know if your ati_remote.c works with all 2.6 kernels?
[18:29:53] GreyFoxx: sphing: I haven;t tried it on anything newer than 2.6.12.5
[18:30:08] sphing: ok, thats what'll run then , thank you
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[18:30:45] lelo_1966: anyone?
[18:31:03] GreyFoxx: lelo_1966: What exactly are you looking to do ?
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[18:31:54] Juski: lelo_1966: one word: overscan. if your desktop doesn't fit the screen and you make it fit exactly (unlikely) your TV recordings will have black bars/bands around them when you play em back
[18:31:54] lelo_1966: the screen is stretching in the tv, example while watching tv the first number of the channel is missing as some of the bottom of the screen
[18:32:28] ** GreyFoxx heads out to pick up his new free 21" monitors **
[18:32:33] lelo_1966: how do I adjust my desktop
[18:32:35] ** GreyFoxx giggles **
[18:32:38] Juski: make sure X is running at 100DPI
[18:32:58] lelo_1966: is that in xorg.conf
[18:33:05] Juski: lelo_1966: nvidia? nvidia-settings gives you a nifty slider to adjust the picture size
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[18:33:28] lelo_1966: unfortuantly I am running the tv out on a 350
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[18:36:01] lelo_1966: when inside of x its set to 720x480 and I cannot make any changes to it
[18:37:12] Juski: ah. I can't help then. don't know my pvr350 stuff
[18:37:24] lelo_1966: thanks!
[18:37:38] Juski: you can adjust the mythtv gui size though... in the appearance menu within mythfrontend
[18:38:13] lelo_1966: yeah I did that it looks good in myth but when I am capturing the screen is over stretched
[18:39:34] Plex: can anyone tell me how to set samba authentication prefs in linux? I can mount and read my drive across the network, just can't write to it. Thanks!
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[18:41:49] Anduin: Plex: a distro channel or general linux channel is better for that sort of question
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[18:45:22] sloncho: hi. how do I setup a second alsa device to be used as audio output? alsa:default always selects the first one
[18:45:50] Rothgar: when I log in with my user mythbackend starts up automatically, when I log in as mythtv user the backend does not start and the user cannot sudo to make it start. Any suggestions?
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[18:47:32] sloncho: what are the permissions of mythbackend?
[18:48:17] Rothgar: how would I check? (I am a linux n00b sorry)
[18:48:29] sloncho: ls -l /usr/local/bin/mythbackend
[18:49:10] sloncho: and ... it's not for sorry, everybody was noob at some time
[18:49:53] Rothgar: it seems like I have been a noob for a very long time
[18:50:24] sloncho: so did u get the output of the command i post befoe?
[18:50:33] sloncho: before
[18:50:48] Rothgar: hmm, ls doesnt bring up any files in /usr/local/bin/, should I be mythtv user or the user that can start mythbackend?
[18:51:04] sloncho: it may be somewhere else
[18:51:16] Fnc_: updatedb
[18:51:16] sloncho: what distro?
[18:51:22] Fnc_: locate mythbackend
[18:51:25] Rothgar: kubuntu 6.06
[18:51:28] Juski: a lot of packages would have mythbackend start as the mythtv user
[18:51:56] sloncho: i'm not sure locate is installed by default on ubuntu
[18:52:26] sloncho: try: which mythbackend
[18:52:59] Rothgar: I ran locate and I got a warring (database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db is more than 8 days old
[18:53:12] Fnc_: updatedb
[18:53:14] Fnc_: first
[18:53:20] sloncho: rothgar, than sudo updatedb
[18:53:24] Fnc_: ...may have to be root
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[18:54:03] sloncho: how do I setup a second alsa device to be used as audio output? alsa:default always selects the first one
[18:55:01] Rothgar: which backend retuned that mythbackend is in /usr/bin/ (not usr/local/bin) so mythbackend is -rwxr-xr-x
[18:55:26] sloncho: Rothgar: and user/group owner?
[18:55:40] sloncho: but it doesnt matter
[18:55:41] Fnc_: roth are you loged in as myth now?
[18:55:44] Rothgar: root root
[18:55:51] sloncho: with this permissions everybody can start it
[18:56:16] Rothgar: no, I am the user that installed mythtv. the problem I was having was when I logged in as mythtv usr mythbackend would not start and that user couldn't sudo
[18:56:36] Rothgar: let me try switching users and running it again
[18:56:37] sloncho: ok, try to start it from commandline and tell what error u see
[18:56:45] sloncho: try as mythtv user
[18:56:48] Rothgar: ok
[18:56:53] Fnc_: from mythtv try /usr/bin/mythbackend
[18:57:11] sloncho: most probably it can not write in some direcotry or is missing some config files
[18:57:37] Rothgar: which is why you guys all rock for helping me out :)
[18:58:21] Rothgar: ok, I got a couple of errors
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[18:58:50] sloncho: go to http://pastebin.ca and paste them there. provide a link so we can see
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[19:00:04] Rothgar: www.pastebin.ca/105584
[19:01:28] Rothgar: looks like myth usr doesnt have permission to use my card or open a socket (but I guess that is obvious)
[19:02:09] sloncho: something else is holding the port most probably
[19:02:33] sloncho: can u try netstat -a | grep LISTEN
[19:02:47] sloncho: see if the port is listening
[19:02:47] Fnc_: do you have mythbackend running already?
[19:03:13] Beirdo: even better: netstat -anp | grep 6543 (or whichever port it is)
[19:03:27] Beirdo: that will also tell you which process has it bound
[19:04:10] Rothgar: tcp 0 0 *:6543 *:* LISTEN
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[19:04:29] sloncho: ps aux | grep mythbackend
[19:04:36] Rothgar: 6544 is also listening the same way
[19:04:41] sloncho: to see if there is running backend
[19:06:13] sloncho: or use Beirdo's suggestion, with sudo
[19:06:31] Beirdo: yeah, as root, forgot to mention that ;(
[19:07:54] Rothgar: i didn't use root but I got back 'tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6543 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 4807/mythbackend
[19:08:19] sloncho: so u have it running already
[19:09:15] Rothgar: if it is listening I guess
[19:09:29] Rothgar: would /usr/bin/mythtv-frontend start myth?
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[19:10:06] sloncho: try mythfrontend
[19:10:48] hondaman: im running mythtvsetup on fc5, and I cannot see the bottom of the screen. is there an easy way to fix this?
[19:10:49] sloncho: that's how i start it, but i compiled from source
[19:12:01] Rothgar: I told you I am a noob :) that started it
[19:12:10] sloncho: hondaman: at the bottom are only the buttons for navigation. use alt-N for next, alt-f for finish, alt-C for cancel and alt-B for back. That way you navigate to set the proper sizes for the screen
[19:12:25] sloncho: Rothgar: cheers :)
[19:12:27] Rothgar: i still cant watch tv though :(
[19:12:32] sloncho: ?
[19:12:35] sloncho: any error?
[19:12:43] Rothgar: just black screen
[19:13:15] sloncho: ok, r u sure u config all OK with mythtv-setup?
[19:13:19] sloncho: tuners, etc?
[19:13:30] Rothgar: I am going to check again
[19:13:38] sloncho: u need 3 things
[19:13:44] sloncho: 1st set the tunner
[19:13:46] Rothgar: wait wait
[19:13:51] Rothgar: let me guess (I have done it enough)
[19:14:12] Rothgar: card, source, and source put onto the right card input?
[19:14:17] sloncho: yeah
[19:14:39] sloncho: did u ever succeed? as your user?
[19:14:48] Rothgar: I think I can do the mythtv-setup in my sleep, I am checkng now
[19:15:13] Rothgar: no, I have never ever watched tv using mythtv (I have been trying for over a year with multiple distros and a couple different cards)
[19:15:26] sloncho: mythtv-setup creates some config files in the home dir of the invoking user
[19:15:47] sloncho: so, maybe u need to setup as mythtv user
[19:15:53] Rothgar: ok, I see an error in mythtv-setup
[19:16:01] sloncho: i'm not sure, here the initial install/compile was very easy
[19:16:03] Rothgar: under cap card I was using DVB
[19:16:23] Rothgar: and in the box it shows "card name: Could not open card #0!"
[19:16:25] sloncho: what card u have
[19:16:38] Rothgar: fusionHDTV gold plus
[19:16:53] Rothgar: from what I saw in forums that is what everyone else had theirs set as
[19:17:05] sloncho: yeah, it should be DVB
[19:17:18] sloncho: i can not help you though, as i do not have hdtv card
[19:17:22] Rothgar: the problem I saw was that this is a ATSC card not DVB (but I guess it is probably the same)
[19:17:57] Fnc: hmm so i tried to record something on channel 66 (one i dont normally watch)... was all static.. i try to tune any channels betwwen 60–90 i get static?
[19:18:30] Fnc: Rothgar: in dmesg its prolly detected as dvb... my fusion 5 lite is a dvb0
[19:18:47] Rothgar: oh, under "card type: it says Device or resource busy"
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[19:19:27] Rothgar: so I guess that means that it knows the about the card but cant use it?
[19:21:41] Rothgar: if I go to channel editor and scan for channels I get "failed to open card"
[19:22:17] Fnc: i try to tune any channels betwwen 60–90 i get static? anyone know what i could check
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[19:22:25] Fnc: everything looks right in the database
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[19:29:43] Fnc: [mpeg @ 0xb73dc278]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94210 !
[19:31:23] Fnc: anyone?
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[19:37:33] Anduin: Fnc: You should be able to ignore that.
[19:39:09] Rothgar: I tried filling the myth-database with channel info and I keep getting DB Error (Insertying into dd_schedule)
[19:39:18] Rothgar: I ran it as sudo
[19:39:23] Rothgar: but still got that error
[19:39:44] Anduin: Rothgar: use a paste site and share the exact error
[19:39:46] hondaman: has anyone been able to get vnc player to work together with mythtv? i tried it, but it doesnt work well with mythtv
[19:39:52] hondaman: vlc*
[19:40:30] GreyFoxx: What do you mean by work together?
[19:40:52] GreyFoxx: Just read the recordings ?
[19:41:02] Rothgar: www.pastebin.ca/105614
[19:41:33] Rothgar: I canceled the task when I noticed everything was getting an error
[19:41:37] hondaman: it doesnt go full screen, and when you close it, the focus doesnt change back to mythtv
[19:41:42] Fnc: ok.. but what about my channels 60–90 not working?
[19:41:49] Anduin: Rothgar: -fixes
[19:41:49] Fnc: just get static
[19:42:03] GreyFoxx: hondaman: Ahhh ok, as in using vlc with mythvideo/dvd ? Never tried that
[19:42:14] Anduin: Rothgar: either move to -fixes, or downgrade MySQL
[19:42:21] GreyFoxx: hondaman: Are you using a window manager? It "should" handle the focus
[19:42:33] GreyFoxx: If you are not running a window manager then the focus problem is quite common
[19:42:42] hondaman: GreyFoxx: yeah. i cant get xine or mplayer to play all my files, but vlc does.
[19:42:43] Rothgar: that is a problem with the MySQL version? how would I move to -fixes? (I have no idea what that is)
[19:43:20] hondaman: GreyFoxx: i _was_ using kde, but i just switched to gnome and havent tried vlc with it yet. maybe its different with gnome.
[19:43:26] Anduin: Rothgar: -fixes is a branch where the devs backport fixes from SVN head, on of the things there is MySQL 5 fixes.
[19:43:51] GreyFoxx: hondaman: Any window manger "should" do it. But I don't use either of those for my boxes
[19:44:48] Rothgar: anduin: how would I use that to fix the problem?
[19:45:58] Fnc: ugh.. when i do a scan for channels.. it scans 2–60 then 61–94 doesnt show up
[19:46:03] Anduin: Rothgar: You would check out the branch, build, install. If you aren't building from source, you probably just need to update from your packager.
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[20:00:06] chops: So I'm trying to compile the ivtvdev display driver for xorg (the one that outputs over the PVR-350's TV out), and it looks to me like it's not been updated in a long time, even the SVN version.
[20:01:09] chops: It doesn't look like it's possible to compile it against xorg 7 without changing it a bit. I'm getting it from http://ivtvdriver.org/svn/xdriver/trunk . Is the SVN version really very old, or am I missing something?
[20:02:29] GreyFoxx: chops: Try #ivtv-dev, they might be able to help you
[20:03:14] chops: GreyFoxx: Thx, will do
[20:05:45] Fnc: anyone got any suggestiong?
[20:05:50] Fnc: er suggestions?
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[20:12:57] sphing: is XFS on software raid a known issue?
[20:19:44] Fnc: ugh ok i think i see what the issue is.. in dmesg... itveeprom find my tuner as type 4
[20:19:45] sapbeast: thats like begging for trouble
[20:19:52] Fnc: ivtv0 sets it to type 47
[20:19:53] Fnc: ?
[20:20:35] Fnc: actually tuner sets that one to type 47 how do i change that
[20:20:36] Fnc: ?
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[20:21:58] rambo3: and there is no chess interface that works with lirc
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[20:26:40] Juski: rambo3: you've already been told you can use irexec to direct lirc button presses to programs other than mythtv :-/
[20:28:03] sphing: for the record xfs appears to not be working with my software raid... jfs fixed it
[20:28:04] sphery: Fnc: You shouldn't be doing a scan for channels with an analog card...
[20:28:18] gardengnome: irexec? irxevent prolly :)
[20:28:19] sphery: Just need to use the grabber to retrieve channels.
[20:28:41] gardengnome: sphery: not true for germany, for example.
[20:28:42] sphery: But, you do need to have a tuner other than type 4 (No Tuner).
[20:28:44] Fnc: same thing with datadirect... was just trying to figure out where the problem lies
[20:28:59] Fnc: type 4 is no tuner?
[20:29:01] rambo3: just let him bable
[20:29:07] sphery: Fnc: yep
[20:29:36] sphery: gardengnome: you would do a scan for PVR-x50's, or just for DVB in Germany?
[20:29:43] Fnc: hrm
[20:29:48] Fnc: i get this in dmesg
[20:29:58] Juski: analogue scanning isn't quite there yet
[20:30:11] gardengnome: sphery: both ;) except that channel scanning doesn't work for pvr 150&500 iirc because there is no vbi support.
[20:30:23] gardengnome: worked well on my pvr 250
[20:30:31] sphery: Why can't use just use channel numbers and frequency tables?
[20:30:32] gardengnome: but mfdb is about as much as work
[20:30:43] gardengnome: sphery: we do.
[20:30:53] gardengnome: sphery: we'd have to supply them using mfdb --manual.
[20:30:56] Fnc: tveeprom 3–0050: tuner model is TCL M2523_5N_E (idx 112, type 4)
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[20:31:12] Fnc: then down below
[20:31:32] sphery: Fnc: pastebin the output of:
[20:31:33] sphery: tac /var/log/messages | sed -n '/= END INIT IVTV =/,/= START INIT IVTV =/p; /= START INIT IVTV =/q' | tac
[20:31:45] Fnc: tuner 3–0061: type set to 47 (LG NTSC (TAPE series))
[20:31:47] Fnc: then i saw this
[20:31:56] Fnc: This seems to be a reversion either in the IVTV driver code or the MythTV backend code. There was a problem when the Samsung tuners first came out with them being identified as "type 4" and any tuner identified as "type 4" being taken as "no tuner found". The problem was subsequently fixed but seems to have become "unfixed" since then.
[20:32:32] sphery: lol. "There was a problem..."
[20:32:49] Fnc: said it was fixed, then unfixed
[20:32:57] sphery: Until the tuner is identified, it's always set to type 4 (to indicate there's no known tuner to support it).
[20:33:09] sphery: pastebin the output of the command.
[20:33:16] Fnc: ok one sec
[20:33:17] sphery: I need to see it all to give you the correct module options...
[20:36:29] Fnc: http://pastebin.ca/105666
[20:37:27] Fnc: it thinks that both cards have the same tuner.. but they both arnt type 47, only the second one is
[20:37:51] sphery: Yeah... hold on.
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[20:39:56] sphery: OK, Fnc, you have a line in your /etc/modprobe.conf that says, "options ivtv tuner=47"
[20:40:14] sphery: Take it out, run "depmod -ae" and then reload your ivtv
[20:40:21] sphery: Everything will work
[20:40:42] sphery: You've overridden autodetection, so you're telling it to configure itself incorrectly...
[20:41:08] sphery: (By you I may mean "your distro" or "someone who helped you configure"--basically, "your system")
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[20:44:30] Fnc: hmm dont have modprobe.conf
[20:44:39] sphery: What distro?
[20:44:45] sphery: Is there an /etc/modprobe.d?
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[20:44:53] Fnc: its a debain based release
[20:44:56] sphery: If so, there's a file in there with the ivtv options
[20:44:56] Fnc: got an ivtv
[20:45:06] Fnc: but no tuner = is it
[20:45:23] sphery: Is this KnoppMyth?
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[20:46:07] Fnc: ahh found it
[20:46:13] sphery: Cool.
[20:46:51] sphery: I was going to say that I can't help with KnoppMyth--tried to find the option in it once and couldn't. (I couldn't figure out how they configured it.)
[20:47:07] ** sphery doesn't know distros **
[20:47:49] gardengnome: after changing stuff in modprobe.d, you'll need to run updae-modules, i think
[20:48:21] gardengnome: update-modules, that is
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[20:49:25] sphery: Thanks (another item that's outside my area of expertise...)
[20:52:26] Juski: anyone seen that new set of IRC scripts that lets you simulate noobs being in a channel? it's called 'whine'
[20:52:40] Fnc: hrm
[20:52:54] Fnc: now my last two lines for that card... are tuner type not set
[20:53:06] sphery: re-pastebin, please
[20:54:18] Fnc: http://pastebin.ca/105685
[20:55:15] rogier: Anybody here knows if it is somehow possible to tie 2 boxes with both one tvcard to 1 backend ?
[20:55:49] Juski: rogier: in what sense?
[20:56:06] Juski: all three machines would be backends then
[20:56:21] Fnc: what they call that a slave backend?
[20:56:23] Juski: slave backends
[20:56:42] rogier: I mean, I would like to use two computers to record shows, views shows and such, but I would like it to appear as one system.
[20:56:50] Juski: they run mythbackend but don't host the mysql server (not that the master backend needs to either)
[20:56:56] Juski: yeah mythtv can do that
[20:57:02] sphery: Fnc: Ahhh. You're using the tveeprom module that shipped with your kernel, not the one that shipped with ivtv.
[20:57:15] rogier: So that when I open up the recorded show one box, it shows the recorded shows form both boxes.
[20:57:27] Juski: sphery: kernels > 2.6.15 use the kernel modules
[20:57:37] sphery: If you need to use the kernel's tveeprom, you can specify, "options ivtv tuner=50,47" (but it will prevent autodetection when you get your next one).
[20:57:43] Juski: rogier: yup that's basically it
[20:57:54] sphery: If you use the tveeprom from ivtv, it will autodetect your tuner.
[20:58:48] Fnc: hmm thought i had upgraded the tveeprom?
[20:59:09] rogier: Ok a slave backend. Is it easy to configure it that way? I suppose at least the slave backend needs to know that it ias... well a slave
[21:00:02] sphery: The tveeprom from your kernel doesn't know the right tuner for your card...
[21:00:36] Juski: rogier: yeah instead of telling the (slave) backend that it's ip address is 127.0.0.1 (the default) you simply point it at the master backend's ip address
[21:00:46] Fnc: sphery: is there a way to update that?
[21:01:36] sphery: how many tveeprom's do you have under /lib/modules/2.6.15-chw-2
[21:01:46] rogier: Juski, thanks very much. That sound simple enough ;-) . Well I'm on the lookout for another card then.
[21:02:55] nordle:
[21:04:05] Fnc: sphery: NONE
[21:04:11] Fnc: oops sorry
[21:04:12] Fnc: noen
[21:04:36] Fnc: that path /ivtv there is one
[21:05:26] sphery: OK, I'm not sure how your system is configured, so I would say just put "options ivtv tuner=50,47" into the config file you edited before.
[21:05:32] Fnc: that worked
[21:06:35] Fnc: sphery: http://pastebin.ca/105696
[21:07:47] ** Juski remembers he's sposed to be on holiday... **
[21:08:01] Juski: gardengnome: starting to rearrange my hdds. windows goes tomorrow :-)
[21:08:41] Juski: "but I still need it for video editing".. yep.. once in a while, so I keep the windows disk at least
[21:09:01] gardengnome: you could do all your video editing in vmware. (i wonder if that was evil or just plain silly)
[21:09:28] Juski: I'm not that much of a masochist
[21:09:41] sphery: Fnc: Other option is to
[21:09:49] sphery: mv /lib/modules/2.6.15-chw-2/kernel/drivers/media/video/tveeprom.ko /lib/modules/2.6.15-chw-2/kernel/drivers/media/video/tveeprom.ko-bak2
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[21:09:54] sphery: then do your depmod -ae
[21:10:08] sphery: And you could take out that config line
[21:10:13] sphery: and use autodetection
[21:10:25] riddlebox: hello, is anyone using ubuntu with mythtv?
[21:10:36] gardengnome: yep.
[21:10:46] Juski: yes thanks
[21:11:01] riddlebox: gardengnome, do you happen to have nuv2disc working as well?
[21:11:29] gardengnome: no. is it still actively developed? and working with 0.19?
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[21:12:18] riddlebox: not sure, I want to put my shows on dvd, I have a script but for a two hour movie I get 6gigs of an iso
[21:13:37] Juski: wait a bit & see what mytharchive brings :)
[21:13:53] riddlebox: mytharchive
[21:13:56] Juski: or if you really wanna get burned (heh) try mythburn
[21:14:17] riddlebox: well, php and apache, do not play well with ubuntu right now
[21:14:22] Juski: mythburn is available now for mythweb and can be a PITA, but mytharchive is a dvd archiving plugin
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[21:14:31] Juski: riddlebox: nonsense :)
[21:15:01] gardengnome: riddlebox: tcrequant might help ya shrink your movies a little bit
[21:15:01] riddlebox: Juski, do you have it all working?
[21:15:12] Juski: riddlebox: mythweb, yeah
[21:15:28] riddlebox: Juski, did you follow a certain howto?
[21:15:32] Juski: I don't keep much, so dont use mythburn (never got it working anyway)
[21:15:39] Juski: abarbaccia.com? yep
[21:16:39] gardengnome: mythburn qas quite annoying, but mytharchive is kinda nice.
[21:16:54] sapbeast: i keep forgetting which one is the up to date one
[21:16:59] sapbeast: mytharchive or mythburn
[21:17:15] Juski: mytharchive felt a lot like a standalone burner last time I tried it (pity it was still heavy alpha though)
[21:17:22] riddlebox: I am going to try mytharchive
[21:17:35] Juski: mytharchive will only work with svn head
[21:18:18] sapbeast: i still need to try the svn mythtv
[21:21:12] riddlebox: ohh that sucks
[21:22:04] Juski: no it doesn't _suck_ it's just the way it is for now. sheesh
[21:22:35] GreyFoxx: riddlebox: You could just run svn head instead of 0.19 :)
[21:22:36] sapbeast: you know i dont think i ever tried the radio on my pvr-500
[21:22:43] sapbeast: does that even work in linux?
[21:22:57] riddlebox: sapbeast, it works great I use it all the time
[21:23:08] sapbeast: yeah its like been at the bottom of my priority list
[21:23:10] Juski: riddlebox: good plan not to fsck with a working box
[21:23:13] riddlebox: ivtv-radio -f 1057
[21:23:21] sapbeast: i have the antenna here but i havent got a clue how it works
[21:24:01] riddlebox: sapbeast. just type ivtv-radio in a command line, with the -f flag for the radio station
[21:24:15] sapbeast: where does it "come out"
[21:24:27] riddlebox: you speakers
[21:24:53] Juski: I wonder why the mythfm guy never bothered to take the devs' suggestions onboard – would've been a well loved plugin, that
[21:25:33] sapbeast: i dont think many people would use it, but if there was a way to use mythtv the same way for radio that would be kind of nice
[21:25:39] Juski: another reason to switch my desktop to linux.. so I can learn to code
[21:25:41] sapbeast: if you want to record a particular local show for later
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[21:25:55] Juski: radio is great.. I listen to more radio than I watch tv
[21:26:10] Juski: so myth for radio would be like... O_O
[21:26:27] sapbeast: yeah we have one station here that kicks ass
[21:26:31] sapbeast: and about 20 others that... lick
[21:26:32] riddlebox: Juski, I have been wondering that as well
[21:26:41] Juski: we have the BBC :-D
[21:26:52] sapbeast: unfortunately in the US we have clearchanenl
[21:26:59] riddlebox: yes
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[21:27:03] sapbeast: which means that most of your dial is filled with the same playlist
[21:27:06] sapbeast: literally
[21:27:09] Juski: 6 music, radio4, bbc7... good music documentaries on radio2 aswell
[21:27:24] Juski: LCD radio :-P lowest common denominator
[21:27:25] riddlebox: do you guys know how I could take the .mpg file that my pvr500 records in and shrink it down to fit on dvd?
[21:27:41] sapbeast: riddlebox: i already do that for xvid archiving
[21:27:53] Juski: riddlebox: gardengnome told you. tcrequant
[21:28:22] Juski: a little bit like transcoding, but kinda quick & dirty for mpegs
[21:29:01] gardengnome: there's another project called vamps.
[21:29:09] gardengnome: not sure how that works, though. k9copy uses it.
[21:29:23] sapbeast: i tried to do the dvd transcode thing but i had too many problems with it
[21:29:39] riddlebox: can you open an iso in k9copy?
[21:30:49] Juski: damn I shoulda got me a dapper cd last week :-/
[21:31:20] sapbeast: that and uh... i dont think i have a dvd writer in my mythbox yet
[21:32:47] riddlebox: gardengnome, the tcrequant, is that a part of transcode?
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[21:33:36] ** GreyFoxx ponders updating the DejaVu font in Gray-OSD **
[21:40:01] riddlebox: gardengnome, do I need the -f switch in that command?
[21:42:14] gardengnome: riddlebox: i don't know, i'Ve never used it manually before
[21:43:03] riddlebox: sapbeast, how do you use tcrequant?
[21:43:28] sapbeast: i just use mencoder, i never messed with tcrequant
[21:43:31] Juski: hmm I could make a booty usb key for when I wanna booty 'nuxy
[21:44:15] Juski: need to find out which partition is on which disk now...
[21:44:36] Juski: manage computer... blah ... erm...
[21:44:43] Juski: bah windows sucks
[21:46:47] Juski: sorted. now to move a whole bunch of stuff
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[21:49:36] sapbeast: windows sucks but id rather use it than mac os
[21:49:59] sapbeast: hell for me it gives me almost no problems, i think at work i have like 300 days uptime on my xp box
[21:50:17] Juski: mac users tend to be different kinds of people to windows users though
[21:50:37] b-rad: can someone tell me which timeout setting I need to change in my mysql configuration to stop mythbackend from losing the connection? I checked the mailing list and it didn't seem clear
[21:50:50] Juski: b-rad: mysql5?
[21:50:59] b-rad: Juski: you got it
[21:51:00] b-rad: :)
[21:51:15] GreyFoxx: Upgrade to 0.19-fixes or downgrade mysql :)
[21:51:22] Juski: been fixed in 0.19-fixes
[21:51:44] Juski: I tried to find the timeout thingy for someone before & drew a blank
[21:52:02] Juski: I think it's in /etc/my.cnf somewhere
[21:52:34] b-rad: yeah, there's connect_timeout, wait_timeout and interactive_timeout hehe
[21:53:21] Juski: I'd upgrade anyway. fixed a problem for me recently (seemingly)
[21:53:39] b-rad: hmm, I'll have to see if I can find some updated debs somewhere hehe
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[21:54:08] b-rad: thanks :)
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[22:20:29] Ediehow: hi i am going insane
[22:20:37] Ediehow: someone's remote is interfering with my lirc
[22:20:40] Ediehow: and it's driving me NUTS
[22:20:56] gardengnome: it's the CIA.
[22:23:09] Ediehow: and the clueless people on the lirc mailing list keep saying it's the sunlight after i repeatedly tell them there is no sunlight in the room, EVER
[22:24:05] gardengnome: aaah, a typical geek. maybe it's the neon light?
[22:24:29] janneg: but there is someone else's remote
[22:24:35] janneg: in that room?
[22:25:07] Ediehow: no
[22:25:12] Ediehow: my apt that only i live in
[22:25:16] gardengnome: it's likely some diabolical plan. a conspiracy. maybe his girlfriend trying to send him to a sanitarium.
[22:25:28] Ediehow: same problem with or without lights
[22:28:14] roger55: Ediehow, empty battery?
[22:28:30] Ediehow: ? no, it always works when i use it
[22:28:36] roger55: my gf's remote goes insane when that is the case
[22:28:38] Ediehow: it just happens at certain times that it goes bonkers
[22:28:48] Ediehow: like, this morning, it turn on, then turned off
[22:28:51] Ediehow: simulating a button on it
[22:28:53] Ediehow: the power button
[22:29:22] ** roger55 suspects a geek neighbor went shopping at thinkgeek.com **
[22:29:35] Ediehow: i bet it's either above me or next door
[22:29:59] gardengnome: what IR receiver is that?
[22:30:05] Ediehow: pinnacle
[22:30:13] roger55: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/755e/
[22:31:51] Ediehow: oh, the power is just one thing
[22:31:57] Ediehow: plenty of other things happen
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[23:09:08] CCFL_Man: tjcarter: you here?
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[23:16:00] Fnc: ice1724: invalid eeprom version 1 < my audio seems to work.. but anyone know how to fix this onwe?
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[23:38:00] mog_home: hey are people aware that mythtv svn will not compile on ppc?
[23:39:13] Anduin: mog_home: Best chance for a question like that would be the mail list.
[23:39:35] mog_home: eh i just wondering if it was a known issue
[23:39:48] mog_home: tried checking out latest svn and back over last month
[23:39:51] mog_home: all of it wont compile
[23:39:55] mog_home: real pain
[23:40:05] Anduin: fix it, submit a patch
[23:40:13] mog_home: lol
[23:40:20] mog_home: thanks for help
[23:40:23] mog_home: seriously ^_^
[23:40:47] gardengnome: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/215874
[23:41:03] mog_home: yup same issue
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[23:46:01] mog_home: ooh i think i found bug
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[23:59:00] Kaitar: Would someone be willing to help me for a minute?
[23:59:06] Kaitar: I just set up a new mythtv box, and I have never used mythtv before.
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[23:59:24] bengoodger: hello, you lot.
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[23:59:59] Anduin: Kaitar: Ask specific questions and find out.

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