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| [00:05:38] | Hoxzer: | :/ I was thinking about throwing some random again but then I remembered what juski Once said |
| [00:11:06] | CCFL_Man: | i think the mce extenders have the standard definition xilleon instead of the one for hd |
| [00:11:24] | gardengnome: | Hoxzer: that was pretty random, fyi |
| [00:11:52] | Fnc: | if i were to whipe out my myth database and recreate it, what all information is kept in there? what would i have to re`onfigure? |
| [00:12:08] | GreyFoxx: | Everything ? |
| [00:12:20] | GreyFoxx: | The only info NOT in the database is the info on how to connectto the database :) |
| [00:12:21] | gardengnome: | except for lirc, for example. |
| [00:12:34] | GreyFoxx: | true,I never consider that since I don't useit |
| [00:12:48] | gardengnome: | heh |
| [00:12:56] | Fnc: | what is everything? channels, cards, recordings? whatelse? |
| [00:13:00] | CCFL_Man: | i need to figure out if ati made the stb design or if someone else did |
| [00:13:04] | gardengnome: | Fnc: everything. |
| [00:13:19] | GreyFoxx: | Fnc: What did you have to configure to get to where you are now ? |
| [00:13:25] | GreyFoxx: | That's what you will have to reconfigure |
| [00:13:43] | Fnc: | .. all sorts of stuff.. i cant remember... |
| [00:13:53] | Fnc: | lots of things im sure in and out of the databse |
| [00:14:15] | GreyFoxx: | Anything you configured inside of the mythmenus you will have to do again |
| [00:14:33] | Fnc: | k |
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| [00:22:34] | nomin: | is there a way to exit fullscreen with mythtv and have it run in a smaller window? |
| [00:25:05] | RandomDude15: | yeah |
| [00:25:16] | RandomDude15: | i dont run it in fullscreen |
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| [00:31:28] | GreyFoxx: | nomin. You can tell myth to run in a window, and then specify the size you want it to be either at the commandline or in the setup menus |
| [00:31:39] | GreyFoxx: | but you can't hit a key to flip back and forth |
| [00:31:47] | GreyFoxx: | nor can you dynamically resize the window |
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| [00:42:10] | RandomDude15: | how do I transcode stuff in myth after its done being recorded? |
| [00:42:41] | RandomDude15: | nvm |
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| [00:48:02] | podzap: | shit, imaging a 300+ dvd collection is not easy work |
| [00:48:56] | Fnc: | Can someone tell me the defualt settings, for contrast, brightness, colour, hue, in the table channel? |
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| [00:49:24] | podzap: | 32768 |
| [00:49:47] | Fnc: | for all? |
| [00:50:20] | podzap: | yep |
| [00:50:38] | Fnc: | what about those setting on each individual channel? |
| [00:51:06] | podzap: | yeah, you can change them per channel if you like |
| [00:52:37] | Fnc: | what are they set at default though? when you look at those settings, per channel? |
| [00:53:48] | podzap: | 32768 |
| [00:53:55] | tjcarter: | does anyone here use the SnapStream Firefly remote by chance? |
| [00:54:10] | Fnc: | ok |
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| [00:55:08] | podzap: | seems like none of the "play internet streams" are working |
| [00:55:12] | podzap: | not a single one of them |
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| [01:05:04] | GreyFoxx: | podzap: Internet streams ? Where are you seeing that ? |
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| [01:07:42] | Fnc: | so if im not concerned about the size of recordings, but quality – like under recording profiles, is there anything i can tweek? |
| [01:11:17] | Fnc: | also if i have channels up to 199.12 or something hdota in my database but they dont show up in the guide whats the deal with that? like i only have up to channel 163.2 or something? |
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| [01:24:12] | Freman: | heya folks... I'm having a little trouble, I'm not sure if it's mythdvd, whatever is being used by mythvideo for playback or my machine |
| [01:24:34] | Freman: | I'm getting very significant audio/video sync issues |
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| [01:25:01] | Freman: | as much as a second delay on the video behind audio |
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| [01:32:55] | Freman: | ok... it isn't my front-end hardware, and isn't xine – I just tried playback on my x2 with mplayer ad xine – same issue |
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| [01:37:05] | a1fa|64: | yo yo yo |
| [01:37:17] | a1fa|64: | has mythtv been optimized for dual core? |
| [01:37:44] | a1fa|64: | anywya.. anybody watch Criss Angel – Mindfreak |
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| [01:38:35] | Sedorox: | in otherwords... is mythtv threadable |
| [01:38:41] | Sedorox: | most likely |
| [01:39:16] | Sedorox: | since dual core and multi-processor (SMP) are the same thing (pretty much anyway) |
| [01:39:27] | a1fa|64: | yeah. ok |
| [01:40:02] | Sedorox: | so I would think, especially the backend (encoding side) can do multiple thread/processes to utilize both procs/ores |
| [01:40:05] | Sedorox: | cores* |
| [01:40:16] | a1fa|64: | do you watch Criss Angel – Mind Freak |
| [01:40:22] | Sedorox: | nope |
| [01:42:16] | Dagmar: | nope, right now i'm watching people who are so delusional that they can't even be proper superheroes |
| [01:43:03] | Fnc: | anyone know anything about grabbing icons? i get an error "can't find all channels link, hope we get them all!" |
| [01:43:07] | Dagmar: | I am sure that Stan Lee is somewhat astonished that out of his 11 finalists, when they were told to put on their street clothes for a mission and take their costumes with them, that NOT ONE of these idiots wore their costume under their clothes. |
| [01:43:44] | Dagmar: | Fnc: Dude, at least wait until you know you have a problem... |
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| [01:44:38] | GreyFoxx: | Dagmar: Whatare you watching ?:) |
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| [01:46:19] | Fnc: | what if i have multiple tuners? should i just create two xml files, them combine them before i import them into the database? |
| [01:46:45] | Fnc: | or is there a better way? |
| [01:46:55] | Dagmar: | GreyFoxx: "Who Wants To Be A Superhero" |
| [01:47:20] | Dagmar: | Fnc: Tuners don't matter. Sources matter. |
| [01:47:29] | Dagmar: | If you have one cable company, you have one source. |
| [01:47:35] | Fnc: | sorry menty 2 sources |
| [01:47:39] | Fnc: | got cable, and HD OTA |
| [01:48:49] | Fnc: | or can i just create two seperate iconmap.xml files, and import them seperately? |
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| [01:50:58] | Freman: | any one know how to fix the significant video/audio sync issue for mythdvd? |
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| [02:02:51] | Fnc: | so im missing quite a few icons? |
| [02:02:57] | Fnc: | how do i fix that? |
| [02:05:37] | Fnc: | when i scan for channels...after renumbering them i have channels up to 199.12 or something hdota in my database but they dont show up in the guide whats the deal with that? like i only have up to channel 168.3 or something? |
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| [02:07:26] | Fnc: | anyone.. anyone? |
| [02:13:01] | Fnc: | nm figured that one out... they were set 0 for visible, which in the database doesnt have an xmltvid... and have no channel data, but perhaps they are not brodcasting an onairguide |
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| [02:16:14] | Fnc: | anyone care to help me out with my channel issues? |
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| [02:31:26] | Fnc: | anyone awake? |
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| [02:38:02] | somedude_: | Any one here familiar with VLC streaming? |
| [02:47:00] | tjcarter: | ... this is the most RIDICULOUS reality TV ever. |
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| [02:48:09] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: You're wathing "Who Wants To Be A Superhero" are you? |
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| [02:50:03] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: yes =D |
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| [02:50:16] | k8e_bug: | hi |
| [02:50:31] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: it's just absolutely ... ridiculous |
| [02:50:40] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: Does it really matter? Creature is little hottie |
| [02:50:41] | k8e_bug: | i have a question about mythtv can anyone help? |
| [02:51:11] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: she has no brain? |
| [02:51:39] | tjcarter: | Feedback is probably the only one who looks like he could even be in a low budget Canadian TV series |
| [02:51:46] | tjcarter: | in fact, he looks like Nightman. |
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| [02:52:02] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: So what? |
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| [02:52:18] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: I'm not watching it to see them give presentations on quantum thery. |
| [02:52:29] | tjcarter: | lol |
| [02:52:31] | LoVeRgIrL: | HI Everyone how is it going |
| [02:52:33] | Fnc: | k8e what do you need help with? |
| [02:52:41] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: For me, it's about watching cute girls in tight fitting next to nothings. |
| [02:52:44] | tjcarter: | she's doing this to inform people about lifestyle choices |
| [02:53:13] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: So she's an auto mechanic. At least she's got a freaking job, which is better than my last gf |
| [02:53:21] | tjcarter: | heh |
| [02:53:43] | LoVeRgIrL: | its about ripping dvds |
| [02:53:44] | Dagmar: | I will warn you now tho, you will probably want to change the channel before "Darkplace" goes on |
| [02:54:09] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: And of course flip back for the Amazing Screw-Top Head, which is very cool. |
| [02:54:17] | tjcarter: | lol |
| [02:54:21] | Dagmar: | Darkplace, in two words, sucks arse. |
| [02:54:46] | Dagmar: | The BBC never aired it because it sucked so much |
| [02:55:20] | LoVeRgIrL: | Fnc some DVD's I can rip, others give me an error "wrote 0 bytes, but that's all I was asked to do" |
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| [02:56:00] | somedude_: | any one here alive |
| [02:56:08] | LoVeRgIrL: | i am are you? |
| [02:56:13] | somedude_: | LoVeRgIrL: nop |
| [02:56:17] | somedude_: | LOL bad opening line |
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| [02:56:23] | somedude_: | any one alive that knows anythigna bot vlc |
| [02:56:24] | LoVeRgIrL: | lol |
| [02:56:39] | Fnc: | LoVeRgIrL: they frown upon talking about ripping dvds in the channel here |
| [02:56:51] | LoVeRgIrL: | oh sorry |
| [02:56:55] | Dagmar: | We do not instruct on piracy here. |
| [02:57:09] | Fnc: | maybe someone will msg you or osmething |
| [02:57:24] | LoVeRgIrL: | umm, ok |
| [02:57:24] | Dagmar: | This isn't #VLC either |
| [02:57:40] | somedude_: | Dagmar: your right vlc is a ghost town... |
| [02:57:50] | LoVeRgIrL: | are there other mythtv channels |
| [02:57:51] | somedude_: | Dagmar: just a ghost bot in that channel deopping ppl :-P umm me LOL |
| [02:57:52] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: the screechy one looks athetic at least. |
| [02:57:53] | Fnc: | dont pay attention to Dagmar.. hes an angry btritt |
| [02:58:03] | Dagmar: | I'm not a brit |
| [02:58:04] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: of course, she screeches like a monkey. |
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| [02:58:26] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: I don't like her overbite, or that horrible sound she makes. |
| [02:59:02] | Fnc: | somedude_: i think juski or someone has it set up though, but hes usually active during the day.. ya might try back then... |
| [02:59:33] | somedude_: | :-S dam... stupid linuxs obsure errors! |
| [02:59:34] | somedude_: | lol |
| [02:59:51] | LoVeRgIrL: | lol |
| [03:00:48] | Dagmar: | Fnc: Three to one odds it's something convered in the documentation for VLC |
| [03:01:10] | Dagmar: | People who ask to ask never read documentation first |
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| [03:01:49] | somedude_: | Dagmar: have you SEEN the documentation. LOL i been looking and looking and looking and guess what |
| [03:01:55] | somedude_: | Dagmar: theres nothign on that module |
| [03:02:11] | Dagmar: | Yes, I've seen the documentation, and I've used VLC for a great many things. |
| [03:02:20] | Dagmar: | The documentation is how I know how it works. |
| [03:02:30] | Dagmar: | It's amazing the doors that reading opens up. |
| [03:02:40] | LoVeRgIrL: | ok nbye everyone |
| [03:03:07] | somedude_: | here is all the info about the PVR module.. ready |
| [03:03:07] | somedude_: | default: disabled |
| [03:03:08] | somedude_: | For GNU/Linux only |
| [03:03:08] | somedude_: | This module allows to read from Hauppauge PVR cards. |
| [03:03:25] | somedude_: | YEH GO MANUAL!!! so helpfull... |
| [03:03:30] | Dagmar: | Okay, and you're asking about that in here why? |
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| [03:03:35] | Dagmar: | ...and what does it have to do with streaming? |
| [03:03:46] | Fnc: | Dagmar" anything about grabbing icons? i get an error "can't find all channels link, hope we get them all!" – missing lots of icons |
| [03:03:47] | somedude_: | no access2 module matching "pvr" could be loaded |
| [03:03:52] | somedude_: | <---- PVR is the bloody module |
| [03:03:57] | Fnc: | tell me where to read for that.. and ill do it.. just cant find it |
| [03:04:15] | Dagmar: | somedude_: Reading is fundamental. "<somedude_> default: disabled" |
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| [03:04:23] | somedude_: | Dagmar: yes and i ENABLED it:-P |
| [03:04:33] | Dagmar: | somedude_: So what's it got to do with MythTV? |
| [03:04:40] | somedude_: | Dagmar: i think i did anyway.. doesnt even show u how to check |
| [03:05:12] | Dagmar: | somedude_: You're also not looking at the full documentation. You're trying to do a spot search and expecting all the information to be in that one place. |
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| [03:05:41] | somedude_: | Dagmar: well then who the hell writs this stuff??? |
| [03:05:54] | mchou: | lol |
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| [03:05:57] | Dagmar: | Fnc: Lemme poke at the wiki a sec, I know it's in there. Which grabber are you using? |
| [03:05:58] | somedude_: | Dagmar: you think i havent been searchign all bloody day? |
| [03:06:08] | mchou: | haha!! |
| [03:06:14] | mchou: | all bloody day |
| [03:06:28] | Dagmar: | I've not set up icons here yet (been messing with other parts), but it was there the last time I built everyting |
| [03:06:33] | somedude_: | mchou: if you look at the logs youll see i was in here in teh morning... |
| [03:06:42] | mchou: | some dude needs to learn how to read |
| [03:06:45] | Dagmar: | somedude_: If it's taken you that long, you need to visit http://www.rif.org |
| [03:06:49] | Dagmar: | Get a tutor or something. |
| [03:06:58] | mchou: | somedude_: being here is not the same as reading the docs |
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| [03:07:25] | somedude_: | mchou: yes, but i usualy dont just ask w/o reading |
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| [03:07:38] | mchou: | somedude_: then read it again |
| [03:07:41] | somedude_: | they say to use ./configure --enable-module_name |
| [03:07:52] | Dagmar: | somedude_: I'll ask again, since the reading problem seems to be in the way... What does this problem of yours have to do with MythTV? |
| [03:07:55] | somedude_: | but on gentoo they say to use USE variables: "dvd ffmpeg mpeg mad wxwindows aac dts a52 ogg flac theora oggvorbis matroska freetype bidi xv svga gnutls stream vlm httpd cdda vcd cdio live". |
| [03:07:59] | CyberKnet: | hahahahahah |
| [03:08:02] | CyberKnet: | rif.org =)) |
| [03:08:05] | CyberKnet: | priceless |
| [03:08:05] | Dagmar: | somedude_: Then ask in #GEntoo about it |
| [03:08:08] | somedude_: | Dagmar: the host name.. duuu... |
| [03:08:23] | somedude_: | my linux box is called mythtvsettop |
| [03:08:25] | Dagmar: | somedude_: Are you huffing glue? |
| [03:08:28] | somedude_: | :-P |
| [03:08:54] | Dagmar: | That doesnt make mythtv responsible for whatever you do on that box any more than it makes mythtv responsible for finding more porn to look at |
| [03:08:56] | somedude_: | Dagmar: they are retarring the roof... hmm slees good |
| [03:09:15] | somedude_: | Dagmar: but it does.... it does.. |
| [03:09:24] | Dagmar: | No, it doesn't. |
| [03:09:26] | somedude_: | Dagmar: actualy mythtv got my ivtv working :-D |
| [03:09:32] | Dagmar: | MythTV didn't make your problem. Your parents did. |
| [03:09:32] | somedude_: | Dagmar: andf cause of that i can blast to my satalite |
| [03:09:43] | somedude_: | Dagmar: which gives me porn.. see lots of pron thanks to you guys |
| [03:09:58] | Dagmar: | Welcome to the ignore list, chumpy. |
| [03:10:02] | somedude_: | lOl |
| [03:10:07] | somedude_: | im just meessing with you.. shiesh. |
| [03:10:13] | Dagmar: | Maybe someday you'll stop being a moron and actually read documentation instead of whining like a little bitch |
| [03:10:13] | somedude_: | (hes the one continuing it) |
| [03:10:23] | somedude_: | Dagmar: im not whining |
| [03:10:26] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: just wondering, if I start mentioning lirc, will you run screaming? =) |
| [03:10:38] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: Not really. Lirc is actually used with Myth. |
| [03:10:43] | tjcarter: | yes |
| [03:10:47] | Dagmar: | I just find it painful to work with |
| [03:10:49] | somedude_: | tjcarter: LMAO |
| [03:11:01] | tjcarter: | but I have this Snapstream Firefly remote ... |
| [03:11:07] | somedude_: | Dagmar: i appoliogise i was just hacving some fun.. ill stop now :-P |
| [03:11:14] | tjcarter: | and lirc doesn't seem to compile with it =) |
| [03:11:28] | tjcarter: | it apparently looks like an ATI USB thingy |
| [03:11:28] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: So pastebin the output of the make |
| [03:11:49] | somedude_: | tjcarter: ahhh ATI and USB.. 2 words should not be in the same sentence |
| [03:11:56] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: okie, after show =) |
| [03:12:12] | tjcarter: | and Feedback totally MISSED THE POINT, duh |
| [03:13:04] | tjcarter: | ooh, that's two |
| [03:14:49] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: Yeah four of them were so spaced they just ran past the little girl |
| [03:15:22] | Dagmar: | @#%@$ I wish this icon grabber was a little less opaque in it's operation |
| [03:15:31] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: they should all be just GONE. |
| [03:16:24] | tjcarter: | where is she? lol |
| [03:16:30] | ** tjcarter falls out of his chair laughing ** | |
| [03:17:34] | Fnc: | haha |
| [03:17:46] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: more than four of them |
| [03:18:02] | Fnc: | this is awesome.. i have a HD ota channel that shows the airport and plans landing, and has the trafic controlles talking |
| [03:18:26] | tjcarter: | Major Doofus |
| [03:18:37] | tjcarter: | but I guess that was the most superheroish |
| [03:19:04] | Dagmar: | He's a puf |
| [03:19:23] | tjcarter: | hehe |
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| [03:21:27] | Dagmar: | "svn: REPORT of '/svn/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.mythtv.org)" |
| [03:21:29] | Dagmar: | Sweet. |
| [03:22:16] | Dagmar: | Fnc: you're on your own with the icons. I need to be able to get 0.19-fixes or trunk, and SVN is apparently bufu (oh yes this is so much better than CVS) |
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| [03:23:20] | tjcarter: | "...anything but. Stop smiling." |
| [03:23:28] | tjcarter: | this may actually turn out to be good. |
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| [03:29:31] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: Which show? |
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| [03:31:18] | Dagmar: | Man I gotta grab the bloody 0-day for xmltv now? Madness |
| [03:31:52] | Fnc: | what you playin with icons? |
| [03:31:58] | Dagmar: | Trying to anyway |
| [03:32:11] | Dagmar: | did you get the svn trunk versions for it? |
| [03:32:13] | Fnc: | let me know if you get that error i was tlakin about |
| [03:32:15] | Dagmar: | If not you better do that now |
| [03:32:22] | Dagmar: | What error? |
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| [03:33:14] | Fnc: | anyone know anything about grabbing icons? i get an error "can't find all channels link, hope we get them all!" |
| [03:33:18] | Fnc: | that one |
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| [03:34:09] | Dagmar: | Have you grabbed the svn version of the script? |
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| [03:34:31] | Fnc: | i did a wget on http://snapshot.xmltv.org |
| [03:35:06] | Dagmar: | I just got that same message |
| [03:35:23] | Fnc: | hmm.. svn of which script? xmltv or the mkiconmap |
| [03:35:29] | Dagmar: | If you didn't actually bother to see whether or not it was the scripts fault, or zap2it just not having icons, you are hereby ordered to slap yourslef |
| [03:35:42] | Fnc: | the icons are on zap2it |
| [03:35:48] | Dagmar: | I got the svn trunk versions of mkiconmap.pl an as well as master_iconmap.xml |
| [03:35:50] | Fnc: | and my guide is missing a lot |
| [03:36:06] | Fnc: | hmm.. where can i grab the master_iconmap? |
| [03:36:48] | Dagmar: | Same directory |
| [03:36:56] | Dagmar: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/contrib |
| [03:37:38] | Dagmar: | You need to be poking at the very obvious output from mkiconmap.pl and looking to see exactly where things are falling through the cracks |
| [03:37:44] | Dagmar: | This doesn't look like it's broken so far to me |
| [03:39:19] | Dagmar: | ...and if you use master_iconmap.xml without looking at what the documentation says it's for, you deserve what you get |
| [03:40:19] | Dagmar: | It looks like it's all working to me |
| [03:41:08] | Dagmar: | Yep. All channels accounted for, all icons populated. |
| [03:41:19] | Dagmar: | ...even the channels i don't have |
| [03:42:46] | Dagmar: | You need to pick a channel that isn't showing an icon and start checking things out for that channel at every step |
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| [03:54:17] | Fnc: | Dagmar not sure where to look for a channel its not showing an icon for |
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| [03:54:34] | Dagmar: | How about you verify it's trying to download it |
| [03:56:47] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: http://pastebin.ca/103147 |
| [03:57:49] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: Okay, I see the error.... lirc_atiusb.c:1183: error: unknown field `owner' specified in initializer |
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| [03:57:50] | Anduin: | tjcarter: Try CVS lirc |
| [03:57:59] | Dagmar: | I havent' got a damn clue how to fix that one tho |
| [03:58:04] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: yeah. |
| [03:58:08] | Dagmar: | I think Andiun is almost certainly right |
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| [03:58:22] | Dagmar: | CVS might well have that fixed, otherwise it's bug report time |
| [03:58:28] | tjcarter: | sounds stable. =| |
| [03:58:43] | Fnc: | anyone ever used xawtv to fine tune stuff? |
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| [03:59:22] | Whyvas: | anyone use the nes emulation in mythtv? |
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| [04:00:27] | Dagmar: | It has no NES emulation |
| [04:00:27] | GreyFoxx: | I use to use fce and briefly ines, but at the moment I've only got zsnes and hugo setup |
| [04:00:28] | tjcarter: | knoppmyth does not seem to include one =( |
| [04:00:54] | Dagmar: | Holy crap |
| [04:00:59] | Dagmar: | http://code.google.com/hosting/ |
| [04:01:20] | Dagmar: | I guess sourceforge will have to start paying attention to their uptime |
| [04:01:28] | Whyvas: | yes i know it's a damn frontend... does anyone play nintendo roms on their linux box |
| [04:01:30] | Whyvas: | jesus |
| [04:01:46] | Whyvas: | picky... |
| [04:01:47] | tjcarter: | sourcehorde is so screwed |
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| [04:01:58] | Dagmar: | When their site is UP, it's tolerable |
| [04:01:58] | Anduin: | Dagmar: Isn't that just for Google stuff? |
| [04:02:03] | Whyvas: | GreyFoxx, can you get fceu do go fullscreen? |
| [04:02:05] | Dagmar: | This last week it's been one thing after another |
| [04:02:30] | GreyFoxx: | Whyvas: I did last time I installed it. But I haven't used it since last summer |
| [04:02:33] | Whyvas: | mine goes fullscreen but the windows the rom is being played in isn't streched it's just centered and small |
| [04:02:51] | GreyFoxx: | doh |
| [04:03:02] | Whyvas: | all the fullscreening and streching options don't seem to do jack |
| [04:03:39] | GreyFoxx: | I don't remember having to do much other than a commandline option to get it fullscreened. But it has been a while |
| [04:03:58] | GreyFoxx: | fullscreened and scaled that is |
| [04:04:37] | Whyvas: | i've tried -fs 1 -xres 800 -yres 600 -strechx 1 -strechy 1 |
| [04:04:40] | Whyvas: | nothing... |
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| [04:07:03] | sigger: | speaking of resolution. how do I change the res that my frontend runs in? runs in 800x600 but I'd like to have more when my big plasma arrives. Is that XF86config-4? |
| [04:08:27] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: okay, it builds.. |
| [04:08:46] | Fnc: | sigger.. id look for mode lines for your exact tv on the net... |
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| [04:09:21] | Dagmar: | sigger: Yes, it's your X config file you change for that |
| [04:09:37] | sigger: | k, thanks guys |
| [04:10:06] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: lsusb shows: |
| [04:10:07] | tjcarter: | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bc7:0008 X10 Wireless Technology, Inc. |
| [04:10:12] | Dagmar: | sigger: I woudl suggest you be conservative about changes. Some video cards tv output will not go above 800x600, and very few will bother with more than 1024x768 |
| [04:10:28] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: www.linux-usb.org |
| [04:10:38] | Dagmar: | Look it up in the databse |
| [04:13:20] | sigger: | Dagmar: ooh didn't realize. TV has VGA inputs, so hope to be able to do hires. TV also has HDMI. oughta get a card hat has HDMI output |
| [04:13:37] | Dagmar: | sigger: HDMI would definitely make your life easier |
| [04:13:45] | sigger: | ya |
| [04:14:00] | Fnc: | you can get a decent hdmi card for ~80 bux |
| [04:14:05] | Dagmar: | If you're using the VGA inputs (and I do mean VGA, not s-video) on your LCD TV then just go straight for 1024x768 |
| [04:14:24] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: I may need an option to ati_remote maybe |
| [04:14:34] | Fnc: | dont listen to him.. do a 1:1 pixel map if you can |
| [04:15:12] | Dagmar: | Depends on what the native resolution of your display is |
| [04:15:36] | Dagmar: | ...since it actually matters on an LCD |
| [04:15:44] | sigger: | gotta find a card that has WXGA which is screens native res. 1365 x 768 I believe that is |
| [04:16:03] | Dagmar: | Cards now can do weird-ass resolutions |
| [04:16:19] | CCFL_Man: | forget hdmi, you want hd-sdi |
| [04:16:44] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: If you can find it in http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/devices.php it will usually say |
| [04:16:51] | sigger: | hd-sdi? haven't even heard of that |
| [04:17:29] | Dagmar: | sigger: It's a little like saying "Forget LCD. Buy a 4000W wall projector" |
| [04:18:03] | CCFL_Man: | thats a professional standard, only uses one super cheap 75 ohm bnc cable from transmitter to receiver |
| [04:18:12] | CCFL_Man: | has no copy protection |
| [04:18:27] | CCFL_Man: | better than hdmi in every way |
| [04:18:36] | Dagmar: | ...so long as you don't need to watch it. |
| [04:18:44] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: the ID isn't listed in the database, but several other similar ones are listed |
| [04:19:06] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: Looks like you get to add it then, oh goodie! |
| [04:19:14] | Dagmar: | I've put 3–4 things in there |
| [04:19:17] | sigger: | yeah I'm eally just concerned with picture quality cabling is the tail that won't get to wag the dog |
| [04:19:35] | sigger: | nite guys |
| [04:19:42] | CCFL_Man: | Dagmar: it's a better standard, everyonbe knows it, but they won't bring it to consumer interfaces strictly because there is no copy protection |
| [04:19:49] | Dagmar: | Oh well. |
| [04:19:59] | Dagmar: | Like I said, it's good if you don't actually want to watch anything |
| [04:20:35] | Dagmar: | It is not useful in the context of a guy trying to get his LCD TV working. |
| [04:20:49] | CCFL_Man: | Dagmar: hdmi carries video and audio, but has copy protection, and cable is sensitive to kinks, etc |
| [04:20:49] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: if it is as easy as adding it to the list of supported devices in the kernel, no problem =) |
| [04:21:11] | CCFL_Man: | Dagmar: vga should be used, forget hdmi |
| [04:21:13] | Dagmar: | CCFL_Man: 'cept hardly anyone has a TV that accepts that as an input. |
| [04:21:27] | CCFL_Man: | just need an audio cable and a vga cable, done |
| [04:21:48] | CCFL_Man: | Dagmar: professional monitors use hd-sdi |
| [04:21:58] | Dagmar: | How many people have those in their homes? |
| [04:22:17] | CCFL_Man: | no one, because the mass of people are not tech savvy like myself |
| [04:22:36] | CCFL_Man: | w3ho has a cisco router in their home? i do |
| [04:22:44] | Dagmar: | You sure it's not got something to do with the fact that they're hellishly expensive, and not found in most stores at all |
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| [04:23:08] | Dagmar: | In particular, that guy's little LCD tv doesnt' have it |
| [04:23:30] | CCFL_Man: | that too, but only because of the market |
| [04:23:36] | Dagmar: | Oh well |
| [04:23:39] | CCFL_Man: | no, unfortunately |
| [04:23:47] | CCFL_Man: | but his tv has lcd |
| [04:23:50] | CCFL_Man: | err |
| [04:23:52] | Dagmar: | Plenty of "superior" technologies fall by the roadside due to bad marketing |
| [04:23:52] | CCFL_Man: | vga |
| [04:23:57] | Dagmar: | It still means they're useless. |
| [04:24:00] | CCFL_Man: | so true |
| [04:24:07] | CCFL_Man: | not useless |
| [04:24:24] | CCFL_Man: | professional standards should be brought to the home |
| [04:24:26] | Dagmar: | Yes, useless. |
| [04:24:38] | Dagmar: | Networked equipment must necessarily be compatible or it isn't of use to anyone |
| [04:24:53] | CCFL_Man: | electronics would work so much better if they were made to last like professional products |
| [04:25:03] | Dagmar: | A fax machine might have superior technology to anything else from 1970, but it's damn useless there. |
| [04:25:21] | CCFL_Man: | my cisco router works with my adsl connection and every node on the network |
| [04:25:38] | Dagmar: | so what |
| [04:26:03] | CCFL_Man: | it means the router will perform like a beast |
| [04:26:09] | Dagmar: | So what |
| [04:26:27] | Dagmar: | Does your router plug into OC-48 circuits? |
| [04:26:37] | Dagmar: | They're quite superior to ADSL. |
| [04:26:57] | CCFL_Man: | no need to reset, reboot, reconnect, or redo anything, just configure and with 1 year of uptime later it's still routing like a champ |
| [04:27:02] | CCFL_Man: | it can with a bridge |
| [04:27:30] | Dagmar: | Why would you connect a cheap ass pocket router to an expensive bridge capable of carrying that kind of traffic? |
| [04:27:36] | CCFL_Man: | adsl is priced right, professional equipment can be obtained on ebay for deals |
| [04:28:04] | Dagmar: | Professionals, IMHO, don't use ADSL. |
| [04:28:08] | Dagmar: | ...but that's beside the point. |
| [04:28:35] | CCFL_Man: | actually, lots of businesses use adsl for non mission critical applications and faster speeds for clients |
| [04:28:52] | Dagmar: | There's no point in even mentioning some fancy HD standard that nothing affordable uses, "superior" or not, when it doesn't work with the equipment being configured. |
| [04:29:04] | Dagmar: | Hey hey non-mission critical. |
| [04:29:17] | CCFL_Man: | the mission critical stuff they use dedicated circuits for |
| [04:29:55] | CCFL_Man: | tv manufacturers and stb manufacturers can easily add hd-sdi capability but the mpaa won't have it |
| [04:30:03] | Dagmar: | Which still makes it useless. |
| [04:30:15] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: apparently it's not quite that simple |
| [04:30:20] | CCFL_Man: | useless to the mpaa |
| [04:30:30] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: It's never quite that simple to get a new USB device working |
| [04:30:47] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: I probably have to investigate its endpoints, etc |
| [04:30:49] | Dagmar: | CCFL_Man: Useless to people at home, since nothing no the shelves supports the format |
| [04:31:10] | CCFL_Man: | Dagmar: because the mpaa won't have it |
| [04:31:14] | Dagmar: | Useless to sigger in particular because his equipment can't use it |
| [04:31:22] | Dagmar: | So get the freaking point already |
| [04:31:51] | CCFL_Man: | consumer electronics needs open platforms and standards |
| [04:32:06] | CCFL_Man: | everything is fucking closed and proprietary |
| [04:32:18] | CCFL_Man: | and build by monkeys in china |
| [04:32:19] | Dagmar: | Go argue with someone else |
| [04:32:22] | CCFL_Man: | built |
| [04:32:35] | Dagmar: | Don't waste my time or yours trying to freakin' lecture me to no point |
| [04:32:42] | Dagmar: | Call a phone sex line or something if you're that bored |
| [04:33:33] | CCFL_Man: | on my cisco ip phone i provisioned with a vonage sip account by hacking my vonage adapter to get the sip account to use on my cisco ip phone? |
| [04:35:12] | CCFL_Man: | my whole point is why did you tell him to use hdmi instead of vga? |
| [04:35:15] | Dagmar: | I can't be the only one thinking it, but I'm going to be the first to say it. |
| [04:35:17] | Dagmar: | Take your meds |
| [04:35:41] | CCFL_Man: | i just did, mg of an SSRI |
| [04:35:45] | CCFL_Man: | 150 |
| [04:36:30] | Dagmar: | Okay, in all honesty I've gotten jumpy about using VGA inputs on a TV when HDMI is available because I"ve seen a couple of cheapass models that took that literally. |
| [04:36:45] | Dagmar: | They'll drop anything you feed them through the VGA port to 480 res |
| [04:36:59] | CCFL_Man: | i see your point |
| [04:37:04] | Dagmar: | ...since VGA cuts off at 640x480. |
| [04:37:35] | CCFL_Man: | i wonder why they do that |
| [04:37:51] | Dagmar: | Because they were incredibly cheap |
| [04:38:53] | CCFL_Man: | they must have cheaped out on the controller then |
| [04:39:00] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [04:39:27] | Dagmar: | Although in the case of one of those, I think it was a matter of the company hiring noobs out of college to design it |
| [04:39:37] | Dagmar: | There was so much engrish in the manual |
| [04:39:44] | CCFL_Man: | lol |
| [04:39:52] | CCFL_Man: | typical |
| [04:42:48] | CCFL_Man: | anyway, the linksys media center extender, you know anything about it? |
| [04:43:26] | Dagmar: | Only that it's out of my price range for toys I don't need |
| [04:43:45] | Dagmar: | Logitech has a REALLY REALLY pimp looking media center remote that's nice in the same kind of way |
| [04:44:02] | Dagmar: | Looks kind of like a PDA has been screwing a TiVo remote |
| [04:44:33] | CCFL_Man: | well, i don't need it either, but i need it for my home ip network dream |
| [04:44:52] | CCFL_Man: | i want to try to get linux booting on it and run mythfrontend |
| [04:46:07] | Dagmar: | Why bother |
| [04:46:24] | Dagmar: | You'll already have the functionality without having to find a way to get it running on next to nothing hardware |
| [04:47:10] | CCFL_Man: | because i want a fanless, diskless set top box platform to use a frontends on all my tvs |
| [04:49:54] | CCFL_Man: | i have this belief that new systems should have a similar topology and architecture as the old mainframe and terminal systems, like mythbackend and frontend |
| [04:50:30] | CCFL_Man: | when it comes to media |
| [04:50:55] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: hmm... |
| [04:50:55] | tjcarter: | drivers/usb/input/ati_remote.c: Weird data, len=1 ff 6f 1a 80 00 00 ... |
| [04:50:56] | tjcarter: | ati_remote_probe: Device found |
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| [04:55:10] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: progress! |
| [04:55:21] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: I push a button and get: |
| [04:55:39] | tjcarter: | Jul 27 22:55:27 saito kernel: ati_remote 1–2:1.0: Unknown input from channel 0x08: data d7,82 |
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| [04:56:57] | Dagmar: | AHa! |
| [04:57:16] | Dagmar: | Now it's just a matter of cobbling together a profile for it. |
| [04:58:44] | tjcarter: | I just have to figure out what the weird data means exactly, parse it out into the data structures, and figure out how to process the remote scancodes |
| [04:58:53] | tjcarter: | MAY need a new remote driver, but I doubt it. |
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| [06:27:58] | ** tjcarter is potentially scarred for life when he sees mention of a certain former employer in Linux kernel source ** | |
| [06:28:22] | tjcarter: | Let's just say that I wouldn't trust the man to edit HTML. |
| [06:29:47] | tjcarter: | I may have to rewrite this driver yet. I don't want to rewrite a kernel driver! *whine* |
| [06:32:44] | sannes: | tjcarter : so if we want you to work on code we just get this "former employer" to work on code that affects you? :P |
| [06:35:17] | tjcarter: | sannes: no, you get me to have the hardware and want it to work |
| [06:35:37] | tjcarter: | sannes: to make me feel sick to my stomach, you have Seth Cohn have his mits anywhere near the code. |
| [06:36:07] | ** tjcarter is writing Snapstream USB remote for MythTV =) ** | |
| [06:36:29] | tjcarter: | well, for 2.6.17, which is used by lirc, which will feed MythTV |
| [06:37:37] | tjcarter: | Current Newegg version of the Snapstream remote does not work with current ati_remote.ko |
| [06:37:58] | tjcarter: | the receiver is all wrong. |
| [06:39:39] | sannes: | ah :) |
| [06:41:49] | tjcarter: | driver rewrite may be necessary to properly support all of these remotes. |
| [06:48:00] | LoneShadow: | will mythphone work on a read only fs ? |
| [06:48:14] | LoneShadow: | or does it try to write something to the mysql db everytime there is a phone call |
| [06:48:46] | Dagmar: | mysql isn't going to work on a read-only fs, so what's your point? |
| [06:51:37] | LoneShadow: | I just need mythphone to work on a readonly fs |
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| [07:15:47] | kavorka^: | simple question, does mythtv have a key binding to eject a dvd/cd? i cant seem to find it |
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| [07:17:45] | kavorka^: | ive mapped a key within xine which works fine but outside of mythvideo/dvd i cant eject/inject |
| [07:31:00] | ** tjcarter doesn't know, but has interest in being able to bind generic remote buttons to do random things, which would do what you want ** | |
| [07:31:30] | tjcarter: | mine are more like I'd like the power switch to tell X to blank the screen now and turn off the monitor, and then on again later. |
| [07:34:43] | Dagmar: | I'd like the power switch to fire laser beams, myself. |
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| [07:40:35] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: at people asking in #MythTV which capture card to buy? |
| [07:41:28] | Dagmar: | I'm not really thinking I'll be that picky if I get it working. |
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| [08:30:40] | gardengnome: | tjcarter: maybe irexec is for you... and for karvorka, but he's gone |
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| [08:34:42] | Dagmar: | Fun |
| [08:34:58] | Dagmar: | I just realized that apparently init is setting up HOME without bothering with pesky old glibc calls |
| [08:35:14] | Dagmar: | It's going to be fun to explain *that* new bash function to add to the init script. |
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| [08:41:02] | Dagmar: | Anyone have any comments on whether or not a role account for mysqlbackend ... nevermind. I answered my own question there. |
| [08:41:21] | Dagmar: | I can't see any reason why I should make it's role account uid be above 100 |
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| [08:46:13] | galorin: | http://pastebin.ca/103411 <-- this error keeps kicking my tail, and I'm not sure what's causing it... error happens randomly |
| [08:46:49] | Dagmar: | galorin: If you run `make` again, will it exit there at the same place again? |
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| [08:47:05] | Dagmar: | I need to know how "randomly" "error happens randomly" is. |
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| [08:47:46] | galorin: | Dagmar, no, it can continue on. |
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| [08:47:58] | Dagmar: | OKay. That is not good. |
| [08:48:00] | Dagmar: | WTF |
| [08:48:08] | gardengnome: | maybe broken memory? |
| [08:48:15] | gardengnome: | or a overheating CPU |
| [08:48:16] | Dagmar: | Exactly what I'm thinking |
| [08:49:14] | Dagmar: | Damn if the DLG wiki weren't down i'd just start scribbling some of these things up as "Often Repeated Repair Procedure #x" |
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| [08:49:45] | galorin: | ack! |
| [08:49:46] | Dagmar: | Dude, you almost certainly have a hardware problem. |
| [08:49:55] | Dagmar: | Either your CPU is overheating, or your RAM is going bad. |
| [08:50:22] | galorin: | I had a feeling.. :( |
| [08:50:28] | Dagmar: | galorin: Go to http://www.memtest86.com/ and get memtest86 |
| [08:50:54] | Dagmar: | Put on a floppy or cd (dependin on what you downloaded) and before you go to sleep, boot the machine with it. Let it run *all night* |
| [08:51:03] | galorin: | I'll run memtest on reboot... it's in my grub bootlist |
| [08:51:05] | gardengnome: | for cpu: check with mbmon or lm-sensors (i prefer mbmon, it's eqasier to set up). maybe you can find some readings in your bios setup, too. |
| [08:51:13] | Dagmar: | Depending on how fast the machine is and how much RAM you have, it might well take all night for one pass |
| [08:51:43] | Dagmar: | While it's running, pull the side off your machine and eyeball your CPU cooler. If the fan ain't spinning, or the heatsink is all choked up with crap, it's time to replace them |
| [08:52:16] | Dagmar: | BIOS setup tends to report fully idle conditions, which can be deceptively low |
| [08:52:21] | galorin: | Any idea how hot is too hot for an AMD64 3000 proc? |
| [08:52:48] | Dagmar: | Like, if the cooler is completley blocked with crud, it's efficiency will be crap but since the CPU isn't producing much heat it'll be able to keep up |
| [08:53:05] | Dagmar: | galorin: 140F is probably way too hot |
| [08:53:25] | Dagmar: | I *think* I finished setting up lm_sensors on my 3200+ last night. Lemme check it |
| [08:53:48] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [08:54:10] | Dagmar: | THe highest I've ever seen mine was 112F, and that was when my room was hot and I had the thing up to it's neck in compiling stuff |
| [08:54:24] | Dagmar: | Anything up to about 120F should be okay |
| [08:55:07] | galorin: | ok, I'm running at 113.9F |
| [08:55:17] | Dagmar: | Right now it's not doing much, so it's just doodling along at 99F at the thermistor and 95F on the board just below it |
| [08:55:27] | Dagmar: | Run the RAM tester |
| [08:55:34] | galorin: | and the compile hasn't died again |
| [08:55:59] | Dagmar: | Are you using a 32-bit distro or a 64-bit distro? |
| [08:56:06] | galorin: | 64 bit distro |
| [08:56:19] | Dagmar: | That *might* be part of it, but the odds are very long on that |
| [08:56:38] | Dagmar: | I'm still thinking you should run a RAM test. |
| [08:57:00] | Dagmar: | The evil thing about bad ram is that the compiler can't be guaranteed to really recognize something went wrong. |
| [08:57:05] | galorin: | I'll keep my fingers crossed that that is it... don't want to have to replace RAM.. |
| [08:57:22] | Dagmar: | It could very easily be making you binaries with the functional equivalent of tiny, microscopic holes here and there |
| [08:57:41] | Dagmar: | galorin: You don't have lifetime warranties on your RAM? |
| [08:58:29] | galorin: | I'll double-check that. If I don't I'm going to be ticked. |
| [08:58:30] | Dagmar: | Stuff like the occasional dying stick are the reason I pay that extra buck or two (usually not even that much) to go with a company that gives a lifetime warranty |
| [08:59:15] | Dagmar: | ...especially considering sometime you'll return a 64Mb stick and they'll call you up to say "Umm... will a 256Mb DIMM work in that?" |
| [08:59:19] | galorin: | Anyhow, the make clean run is finished, so I'd better start memtest |
| [08:59:55] | Dagmar: | Just let it run all night. The ideal is probably three complete test runs, but eight hours is probably good enough even if it only manages to get through one and a half runs |
| [09:00:19] | Dagmar: | Is it hot in your room? |
| [09:00:44] | galorin: | No, about 60F |
| [09:00:49] | Dagmar: | If you're seeing 113F I figure it's probably 80F |
| [09:00:51] | galorin: | North Scotland |
| [09:01:12] | Dagmar: | Hmm... Still I guess that's not terribly high. It's close enough to what I'm seeing to be a reasonable figure under heavy load. |
| [09:01:25] | galorin: | one sec, let me try something, see if it affects my temp... |
| [09:01:30] | Dagmar: | I wish I could get my room to 60F |
| [09:01:48] | Dagmar: | I usually have to wait for winter for that kind of thing |
| [09:01:53] | galorin: | ambient temp right now. |
| [09:02:51] | galorin: | now that I'm not under load, it's reading 98.6 F |
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| [09:03:23] | Dagmar: | Yeah, it's the heavy load conditions that show up whether or not a cooling rig is working well or just scraping by |
| [09:04:19] | galorin: | better get on with this, ta, and I'll keep my fingers crossed. |
| [09:04:25] | Dagmar: | Take care |
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| [09:29:06] | Juski: | wb Merlin83b |
| [09:29:20] | Juski: | is it just me or is film4 not on air for long every day? |
| [09:29:30] | gardengnome: | morning Juski |
| [09:30:18] | Juski: | morning gardengnome |
| [09:31:14] | Merlin83b: | Thanks Juski. Maybe my computer will stay up for a while this time. |
| [09:32:17] | Juski: | hmmm. seems the EPG is borked for film4 :-/ |
| [09:32:49] | Merlin83b: | Lame. |
| [09:33:07] | Juski: | film4 runs from 3pm – 3am |
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| [09:33:41] | Juski: | doh. stupid user!! |
| [09:39:47] | Juski: | btw Merlin83b have you added film4 yet? how did you do it? I ended up stuffing it in manually last night. didn't want to do a full rescan |
| [09:40:04] | Merlin83b: | Nope, haven't done it :-) |
| [09:40:16] | Merlin83b: | stuarta's probably the best person to ask but he left yesterday for a week :-) |
| [09:40:23] | Merlin83b: | Scanning is apparently a lot better these days. |
| [09:40:29] | Juski: | beg to differ |
| [09:40:37] | Juski: | in svn it is, that I know |
| [09:40:38] | Merlin83b: | I gather most of the eit-branch has been merged into trunk? |
| [09:40:47] | Merlin83b: | Oh, was just going offf the developer talk. |
| [09:40:50] | Merlin83b: | Oh, yes. |
| [09:40:55] | Merlin83b: | I meant in SVN :-) |
| [09:41:58] | Juski: | 0.19-fixes is still unacceptable. I can live with it but I sympathise with people who aren't as erm.. experienced ;-) |
| [09:43:26] | Juski: | I wonder if the dvb driver situation has changed any |
| [09:43:36] | qu0zl: | you use dvb or analogue Juski? |
| [09:43:51] | Juski: | both |
| [09:44:04] | qu0zl: | heh fancy ;) |
| [09:44:07] | Juski: | though my pvr150 will be going on ebay when I sack ntl soon |
| [09:44:59] | Juski: | they've made 'improvements' to their STB software. longer channel change times & more sluggishness & crashing. |
| [09:45:16] | Juski: | but at least I get 'ondemand' shite I don't want to watch |
| [09:45:18] | gardengnome: | i thought you were using a dbox2? |
| [09:45:37] | Juski: | hell that would be against the T&Cs |
| [09:46:36] | gardengnome: | oh right, you'd never do that |
| [09:46:38] | gardengnome: | ;) |
| [09:46:42] | Juski: | anyway I'll be phoning them when I get in from work tonight. I want to cancel |
| [09:47:20] | Juski: | thing is it'll be kinda like cutting my nose off to spite my face. their broadband is very good |
| [09:47:43] | Juski: | tv & phone sucks though (crackly phone) |
| [09:48:02] | Merlin83b: | Crappy. |
| [09:48:08] | ** Merlin83b <3 8Mbps DSL ** | |
| [09:48:19] | Juski: | is it _always_ on though? |
| [09:48:29] | Juski: | like you don't get booted off after inactivity? |
| [09:48:43] | Juski: | everyone else I know does, which isn't 'always on' in my book |
| [09:49:14] | Merlin83b: | Nope, mine's currently been on for much time. |
| [09:49:48] | ** Freman sobs ** | |
| [09:49:59] | Freman: | our primary telco limits all dsl to 1.5 mbits |
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| [09:54:33] | DGnome: | Merlin83b: DSL sucks even if you can get ADSL2+ :/ |
| [09:54:48] | DGnome: | Merlin83b: and DSL is not broadband |
| [09:54:59] | Merlin83b: | Um, why does it suck and what's not broad about it? |
| [09:55:23] | DGnome: | upstream and upstream. |
| [09:55:49] | DGnome: | DSL stands for digital subscriber line, never men to be interactive |
| [09:56:04] | DGnome: | meant.. |
| [09:56:49] | gardengnome: | how is broadbant interactive? |
| [09:57:13] | gardengnome: | broadband* |
| [09:57:47] | Merlin83b: | Well there's SDSL if you need that, but personally ADSL works just fine for me as it does for just about everyone. |
| [09:58:03] | DGnome: | adsl upstream can allmost even not cope with ACK-packes generated by downstream traffic |
| [09:58:18] | Merlin83b: | You need to get a better provider. |
| [09:58:18] | gardengnome: | DGnome: get some nifty qos script then ;) |
| [09:58:35] | DGnome: | gardengnome: i do layer7-shaping :) |
| [09:58:55] | Merlin83b: | Downstream Rate: 8128 Kbps |
| [09:58:56] | Merlin83b: | Upstream Rate: 448 Kbps |
| [09:58:58] | Merlin83b: | Works for me. |
| [09:59:05] | DGnome: | gardengnome: but when downstream reaches 18–19Mbit.. ~1000kbit upstream gets filled |
| [10:00:09] | DGnome: | fiber to the people! |
| [10:00:20] | DGnome: | i'd settle for 10/10 |
| [10:01:08] | Merlin83b: | You probably wouldn't when you saw the bill :-) |
| [10:01:45] | DGnome: | how much does your 8/0.4 cost? |
| [10:01:49] | DGnome: | per month |
| [10:02:24] | Juski: | oh I forgot to moan about the lack of lipsync on the ntl stb |
| [10:02:39] | Juski: | used to be an advocate of ntl. now serious pissed :-) |
| [10:02:46] | Juski: | *sly |
| [10:02:56] | gardengnome: | Juski: if you moan enough, they might give you something for free. |
| [10:03:22] | Juski: | yeah well I'd rather they just fscking fixed it |
| [10:03:29] | DGnome: | Merlin83b: how much does your 8/0.4 cost? |
| [10:04:25] | Merlin83b: | £20 per month |
| [10:05:20] | Juski: | is that 'talktalk' ? |
| [10:05:21] | DGnome: | not bad actually |
| [10:05:58] | Merlin83b: | Nope, Nildram. |
| [10:06:02] | Juski: | ah |
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| [10:35:07] | TakKovacs: | has anyone rebuilt their system recently ? In a world of pain with FC5..thinking about going back to FC3 |
| [10:35:25] | emja: | i'm trying to import a dvd but I get no audio. the DVD plays fine in the same player (incl audio) and other dvds play and import successfully. it's just on this one that I can't get any audio. any ideas? |
| [10:35:36] | emja: | I've tried all combinations of audio tracks, ac3 enabled/disabled, etc. The audio is fine on preview, but then won't import correctly |
| [10:35:54] | emja: | TakKovacs: mine is fc5 |
| [10:36:04] | emja: | TakKovacs: recent build, dedicated to myth |
| [10:36:13] | TakKovacs: | thanks emja... |
| [10:36:29] | emja: | TakKovacs: I don't know if I can be of much help, but fire away |
| [10:36:36] | TakKovacs: | got all sorts of issues...trying to get a dvb card along with a PVR-350 working at the same time.. |
| [10:36:42] | TakKovacs: | problems with SMP kernel as well |
| [10:36:55] | emja: | ahh, none of that matches my config |
| [10:37:20] | TakKovacs: | lots of "oops" going on |
| [10:45:22] | Juski: | well time to go on my holidays (from supporting mythtv users). might be back when the heat from the interview dies down |
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| [11:57:00] | flithm: | hey everyone... I just started having this weird problem where in new recordings (incl live tv) I can't skip forward of backward... the logs just say "RingBuf ... taking too long to be allowed to read" then "restarting readhead thread.." old recordings are fine! |
| [11:57:05] | flithm: | anyone got any ideas what's going on here? |
| [11:57:18] | flithm: | I've tried restarting mythbackend, rebooting, etc |
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| [12:39:15] | phenex: | i've compiled ivtv 0.4.6 and everything, yet when i do modprobe ivtv it returns "module not found"... why is that? |
| [12:40:54] | qu0zl: | by 'and everything' did you include a make install? Did the makeinstall run 'depmod -ae'? It if it didn't or you're not sure give that a try and see if it helps |
| [12:42:31] | phenex: | i did... |
| [12:46:04] | qu0zl: | find where the module is installed to and check it's the correct location. compare the install path to the kernel you're currently running |
| [12:46:39] | phenex: | yup... /lib/module/2.6.15–26.386/ivtv |
| [12:46:58] | phenex: | ** /lib/modules/2.6.15–26.386/ivtv |
| [12:48:08] | gardengnome: | what does uname -r say? |
| [12:48:22] | phenex: | same thing |
| [12:49:01] | phenex: | oh... no... both are 2.6.15-26–386... still, they are the same... |
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| [13:01:21] | Hoxzer: | Where I can see the logfile of this channel? |
| [13:01:50] | Merlin83b: | -MythLogBot- This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [13:02:17] | Beirdo: | also: |
| [13:02:22] | Beirdo: | !notice |
| [13:02:22] | MythLogBot: | This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 |
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| [13:03:52] | Hoxzer: | Hmm.... can I somehow see it all into one page |
| [13:04:40] | Hoxzer: | or like on month |
| [13:05:38] | Beirdo: | ummm, you can't :) |
| [13:05:50] | Beirdo: | it's only by day, or current period |
| [13:06:09] | Hoxzer: | ok, just tell me that page what shows when svn-0.19-fixes was last updated and I bookmark it this time |
| [13:06:10] | Beirdo: | however, in privmsg, you can use search |
| [13:06:33] | Beirdo: | likely svn.mythtv.org? |
| [13:06:56] | Hoxzer: | Well, where there |
| [13:07:24] | Beirdo: | Browse Source |
| [13:08:09] | Beirdo: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/release-0-19-fixes |
| [13:08:16] | Hoxzer: | lol |
| [13:08:18] | Beirdo: | should show the branch and all its files |
| [13:08:24] | Beirdo: | not sure what else you wanted |
| [13:08:46] | Hoxzer: | Ok, seems like it was updated like 2 weeks ago :( |
| [13:12:31] | Hoxzer: | geez, it is updated I need to recompile |
| [13:13:42] | Hoxzer: | then I have to compile it with normal mode -> see if it is bugging -> I*m sure it is -> recompile as debug -> send a ticket |
| [13:15:33] | Diabolic: | Does anyone here have any experience with Radeon 9200 for MythTV? |
| [13:17:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, I used one for a long time |
| [13:19:38] | Diabolic: | Beirdo: It worked out well? |
| [13:20:02] | Beirdo: | the ATI drivers are a bit touchy, but once setup right, it all worked well |
| [13:20:30] | Diabolic: | Beirdo: So you must use ATI's own drivers? |
| [13:21:01] | Beirdo: | I think so.. Certainly was the case when I used it |
| [13:21:13] | Diabolic: | Ok. |
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| [13:21:44] | Diabolic: | I have this card and I don't see why I should get a new one if this is works fine. |
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| [14:16:59] | GreyFoxx: | Sweet, I just scored 3 21 inch monitors for free |
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| [14:24:24] | Beirdo: | nice |
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| [14:27:04] | phenex: | i've compiled ivtv 0.4.6 and everything, yet when i do modprobe ivtv it returns "module not found"... why is that? |
| [14:27:33] | Fnc: | did you comile it the module you needed? |
| [14:27:42] | Fnc: | ./configure --help i think |
| [14:28:15] | Fnc: | wait.. its not finding the ivtv? |
| [14:28:33] | Fnc: | you installed it right? after the compile |
| [14:28:49] | phenex: | heh... this is nice... |
| [14:29:05] | phenex: | after about 50 times trying to modprobe ivtv, it suddenly finds it... |
| [14:29:46] | Fnc: | stuff always just works when im around |
| [14:30:28] | phenex: | i should make a bot called Fnc so my PC will be afraid and work well... |
| [14:30:53] | Fnc: | heh |
| [14:32:17] | Fnc: | whats the best way to make a backup of my myth drive? so if something happens i can just replace it? just use dd on the partition? |
| [14:32:47] | phenex: | hmm... this http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html guide only talks about mythTV 0.18... is there any guide for 0.19 on ubuntu? |
| [14:32:55] | GreyFoxx: | Fnc: personally I just use rsync |
| [14:33:24] | Fnc: | hmm havent ever used it |
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| [14:51:31] | galorin: | shoot, my ram was ok, and I guess 115 is a bit too hot for my proc :( need to look at fans etc. |
| [14:51:38] | Hoxzer: | IS it normal :D if my parents try to bribe me to got to golf |
| [14:53:04] | phenex: | galorin, heh... happens to me so many times... the down side of quiet fans... i never know when they stop working... |
| [14:53:29] | galorin: | my fans are fine, but the stock AMD cooler just isn't cutting it under heavy load. |
| [14:54:06] | galorin: | maybe if I clear out some dust... |
| [14:54:28] | phenex: | thats odd... i had one, and it held the CPU under 45 even when it was under huge pressure... |
| [14:54:43] | phenex: | dust could be a major problem... |
| [14:55:30] | coopster: | my AMD cooler had a bad problem with filling up with dust, in my old apartments |
| [14:58:46] | galorin: | I took the side off earlier, and the cooler is pretty full of dust... plus with converting this into a HTPC/LTSP box, I'll want it a heck of a lot quieter than it is now. |
| [15:00:01] | coopster: | If you're in the market for a case, I got one of those antec arias recently, and I have to say it's extremely well made |
| [15:00:06] | coopster: | bit pricey though |
| [15:00:18] | galorin: | hmm, mythmusic doesn't want to build.. and I thought I had all the dependancies for it. Guess I'd better see what it's whining about this time. |
| [15:00:40] | galorin: | Nah, I've got a good case. It just doesn't LOOK like a HTMP case. |
| [15:01:04] | galorin: | s/htmp/htpc man what a typo |
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| [15:03:52] | ** galorin kicks box ** | |
| [15:04:04] | galorin: | I've already installed libcdaudio! LOOK! |
| [15:04:11] | ** galorin kicks again for good measure ** | |
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| [15:05:21] | qu0zl: | did you install the dev package of it galorin ? |
| [15:06:45] | galorin: | System thinks it's there.. let me try something |
| [15:08:38] | galorin: | hmm, shouldn't have worked, but it did... weird. |
| [15:08:50] | galorin: | uninstalled the dev package, then reinstalled it. |
| [15:09:25] | galorin: | no more crapping out on me computer, you hear? |
| [15:10:56] | coopster: | galorin, what case do you use? |
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| [15:12:36] | galorin: | I've got absolutely no idea to be honest. Got it in 2001. tower case with space for 4 case fans, and enough hard drives for a big RAID-5 array. |
| [15:13:30] | galorin: | thing sounds like a ruddy F-16 when I turn it on. |
| [15:13:43] | coopster: | heh |
| [15:15:00] | galorin: | If I had more comps laying around I'd leave it as just a backend, but have to use it as both for the time being. |
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| [15:16:02] | coopster: | i dream of the day when I can just put a rack under a staircase or something, and be done with all of it |
| [15:18:31] | galorin: | A client offered me a couple 1u servers. I think they were SPARC's... Had nowhere to put them, but that business went under shortly after I installed their new web server... so the bank got the SPARC's. |
| [15:18:52] | galorin: | and I swear, the webserver ran fine when I left it. |
| [15:19:05] | coopster: | what do you do, galorin |
| [15:19:11] | coopster: | if you dont mind my asking |
| [15:19:38] | galorin: | Right now, career change. I used to do Linux tutoring, training, consultation, that sort. |
| [15:20:12] | coopster: | why did you change? i ask because i'd like to go into tech consulting |
| [15:21:05] | galorin: | The area that I am in is swamped with people with A+ certifications and paper MCSE's starting up as consultants. There's also no interest in Linux in the SMB sector that I was targeting. |
| [15:21:25] | galorin: | We're about 10 years behind the rest of the UK I swear. |
| [15:22:12] | galorin: | got the tech, but the interest in using that tech to it's potential just isn't there. |
| [15:24:09] | galorin: | coopster, in other places, consultants make great money, but in this area, 2 of my fellow good consultants retired/changed careers because of the same or similar reasons to me. |
| [15:24:38] | galorin: | and a third is moving his company down south. |
| [15:26:06] | coopster: | well, here's hopin that I can find a place in Tennessee/the US that isn't too crowded |
| [15:27:33] | galorin: | If you can, avoid going solo. Managing the business and meeting client demands can be hellish when first starting... plus you'll be in the red for the first 3 years or so. |
| [15:28:12] | coopster: | huh, that long? what were some of the big costs that you had? |
| [15:29:16] | galorin: | Equipment, tools, marketing(big expense) and non-paying customers. |
| [15:30:16] | galorin: | Because I was doing server and desktop conversions, I needed a portable way to show off Linux. For a lot of meetings, a livecd or usbkey weren't enough. |
| [15:30:50] | galorin: | I kept both, but I needed a business-only laptop. Couldn't really do anything personal on it. |
| [15:31:10] | galorin: | Oh, I also forgot living expenses. that's a killer. |
| [15:32:40] | galorin: | If you get yourself office space, not only do you need to cover the lease on that, but also the rent on where you're living as well. |
| [15:33:14] | galorin: | I was able to work from home, that's something else to try to do. |
| [15:34:06] | coopster: | yeah, i was plannin on the at the beginning |
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| [15:34:41] | galorin: | Have you got a business plan yet? |
| [15:35:11] | coopster: | not anything specific, finishing up college right now |
| [15:36:11] | galorin: | Cool. I'd start writing one if you have time to. Your business plan will be something that you keep coming back to, and keep editing as time goes on. |
| [15:36:28] | coopster: | My roommate and I are doing the web design/hosting thing right now, planning on trying to do web apps, outsourced tech support (if it doesn't overwhelm me), technology adoption and cost cutting, mostly |
| [15:37:37] | galorin: | That sounds good. I did consultation work for 2 hosting companies. One of them was incredibly grateful, and paid me more than I asked for, the other one. they were the ones that went under. |
| [15:38:17] | galorin: | A week worth of 14 hour days on just their systems and they don't pay... that hurt. |
| [15:39:25] | coopster: | yeah, it's goin alright, can't ask for much more than selling a service that you just pay someone else for. long term, i'm hoping to do more business apps, telephone systems, and monthly fees per desktop for tech support |
| [15:39:26] | coopster: | ouch |
| [15:40:31] | galorin: | I did yearly tech support, price based on either 1 windows box or 5 Linux boxen |
| [15:41:39] | galorin: | I hate windows tech support |
| [15:42:04] | galorin: | half an hour to do what a shell script can do in Linux. |
| [15:42:28] | galorin: | brb |
| [15:42:39] | coopster: | yeah, windows is a bane |
| [15:42:47] | coopster: | and speaking of business apps, i must get back to work |
| [15:42:49] | coopster: | cyas |
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| [16:10:13] | mshooshtari: | hello all |
| [16:10:14] | mshooshtari: | morning |
| [16:10:20] | Hoxzer: | Morning |
| [16:10:37] | Hoxzer: | I already got pissed off, you? |
| [16:10:41] | mshooshtari: | Has anybody been able to get more accurate weather with mythweather? maybe changing the feed to pick up from weatherunderground or something instead of msnbc? |
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| [16:11:27] | Hoxzer: | LOL |
| [16:11:28] | Hoxzer: | wtf |
| [16:11:38] | Hoxzer: | I dont get debug info :D |
| [16:12:12] | Hoxzer: | Ok, k then I compiled --compile-type=debug but ok, it is ok |
| [16:12:33] | Hoxzer: | Oops :D |
| [16:12:38] | Hoxzer: | seems like I got it! |
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| [16:35:13] | phenex: | hey guys... anybody heard of mythTV usage in israel? i can't seem to find a way to get the tv-guide into mythtv... |
| [16:45:41] | GreyFoxx: | You might want to ask on the -users mailling list or at least search it. I'm sure I saw someone talk about it before |
| [16:47:28] | phenex: | i've seen it too... i've also seen a script to colect smltv file from the TV company's site, but the script, and the file disappeared... |
| [16:47:56] | kormoc: | xmltv doesn't have it? |
| [16:49:27] | kormoc: | http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/xmltv/xmltv/ . . . ;view=markup |
| [16:49:35] | kormoc: | "tv_grab_il – Grab TV listings for Israel" |
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| [16:51:53] | kslater: | I've been doing a little reading on hdtv. Does the current pcHDTV board have the broadcast flag goofyness inside? |
| [16:52:12] | kslater: | and can it (pcHDTV) record standard def tv as well as hd content? |
| [16:53:16] | kormoc: | no, and likely not |
| [16:53:34] | kormoc: | and keep in mind, most channels are encrypted, so you won't be able to get them via that card |
| [16:54:27] | kslater: | most channels via ota, via cable or via satellite? |
| [16:54:53] | kslater: | iow: does the delivery mechanism make a difference? |
| [16:54:59] | kormoc: | yes, it does |
| [16:55:21] | kormoc: | digital cable (most likely way you'd get HD) is almost always encrypted |
| [16:55:21] | phenex: | kormoc, so i'll have to run that every day? |
| [16:55:30] | kormoc: | satellites are almost always encrypted |
| [16:55:36] | kormoc: | OTA are free to view |
| [16:55:39] | kormoc: | phenex, yes |
| [16:56:07] | kslater: | kormoc: thanks and it makes logical sense |
| [16:56:24] | kslater: | what are ppl doing for hd via DirecTV for example? |
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| [16:56:32] | phenex: | hmm... need to check that out... can i cron it or something? |
| [16:56:35] | kslater: | firewire? |
| [16:56:45] | GreyFoxx: | kslater: They don't. |
| [16:56:58] | kormoc: | kslater, usually they pipe the receiver's output into the input of a pvr-150 or similar and use a irblaster to control the box |
| [16:57:01] | GreyFoxx: | Last I heard directv has no enabled HDTV firewire ports. So they just record it in analog |
| [16:57:13] | kslater: | ouch |
| [16:57:46] | kslater: | analog == standard def? |
| [16:58:06] | kormoc: | yes |
| [16:58:20] | kslater: | ok, that's depressing |
| [16:59:25] | kormoc: | which is why xris went with comcast's digital hd cable and uses the firewire port of his hd receiver to capture hd tv rather then sticking with dish |
| [17:00:30] | kslater: | seems like the Europeans are in a better position for HD over Sat |
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| [17:05:28] | Hoxzer: | http://pastebin.ca/104079 <--does that look like a crash to you? |
| [17:06:32] | gardengnome: | looks like an URL to me |
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| [17:12:50] | CCFL_Man: | GreyFoxx: i remember you from somewhere |
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| [17:13:16] | GreyFoxx: | Here ? |
| [17:13:28] | CCFL_Man: | GreyFoxx: some other channel |
| [17:13:42] | CCFL_Man: | some other network, i can't remember which |
| [17:13:50] | GreyFoxx: | #msntv on dashhacks |
| [17:14:04] | CCFL_Man: | yes |
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| [17:14:53] | CCFL_Man: | GreyFoxx: i've lost interest in msntv2 and went onto the linksys media center extender |
| [17:15:09] | GreyFoxx: | Many lost interest waiting for the accelerated video + tvout |
| [17:15:39] | AngryElf_: | hey guys, i'm trying to irrecord a new remote, and i've got two buttons that won't play nicely together....in the lircd.conf file they clearly have different raw codes, but irw doesn't differentiate between the two...any ideas? |
| [17:15:54] | GreyFoxx: | There were only really two of us working on geting it working |
| [17:16:22] | CCFL_Man: | GreyFoxx: yeah, i wish i could have helped more but i couldn't |
| [17:16:35] | GreyFoxx: | No worries, I cracked that months ago :) |
| [17:16:45] | CCFL_Man: | oh really? |
| [17:16:55] | CCFL_Man: | which drivers you use? |
| [17:16:57] | GreyFoxx: | yup back in May |
| [17:17:01] | CCFL_Man: | sweet |
| [17:17:27] | GreyFoxx: | the IEGD (Intel Embedded) drivers,. They load a Vbios and I wrote an app to manipulate the vga and encoder registers to get TV working with it |
| [17:17:48] | CCFL_Man: | oh, the intel linux ones? |
| [17:17:54] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [17:18:18] | GreyFoxx: | They don;t include the support for the conexant TV encoder which is why I had to write an app to get it to work |
| [17:18:19] | CCFL_Man: | vga works too? |
| [17:18:24] | CCFL_Man: | ahhh |
| [17:18:37] | GreyFoxx: | No idea, I have no interest in adding a VGA header |
| [17:18:46] | CCFL_Man: | ahh, ok |
| [17:18:54] | GreyFoxx: | BUT someone reported success with getting signal out of it on the forumns before they went down |
| [17:19:05] | CCFL_Man: | nice |
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| [17:19:16] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris | |
| [17:19:29] | GreyFoxx: | and the msntv's are running close to $$20 or so now, which is nice |
| [17:20:28] | CCFL_Man: | so it won't run on the framebuffer anymore? |
| [17:21:05] | GreyFoxx: | Nope |
| [17:21:16] | CCFL_Man: | you rock! :) |
| [17:21:41] | CCFL_Man: | i bet it could be a nice mythfrontend |
| [17:22:10] | GreyFoxx: | I've got 3 of them around my house as frontends now. , they replaced the other pc based frontends |
| [17:22:15] | GreyFoxx: | smaller and quieter |
| [17:22:32] | CCFL_Man: | you are teh man! |
| [17:23:03] | CCFL_Man: | i need to get one now |
| [17:23:29] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [17:24:26] | CCFL_Man: | i wanted a "video terminal" for my home ip network project |
| [17:24:36] | CCFL_Man: | it's just what i need now |
| [17:25:06] | Hoxzer: | Lol, seems like I would accidently poison my girlfriend (that doesn't really know that I like her) in the chaotic situation |
| [17:25:19] | Hoxzer: | and I also would get threw out of light house :( |
| [17:25:31] | Hoxzer: | http://www.cigamerisedi.com/quizbyliz/battleroyale/yuko.gif |
| [17:25:52] | CCFL_Man: | i wish i had a girlfriend |
| [17:26:52] | CCFL_Man: | GreyFoxx: you try hd content on it? |
| [17:27:06] | Hoxzer: | Well, that was only psychological test |
| [17:29:39] | GreyFoxx: | CCFL_Man: It's not beefy enough. It's jerky playing HDTV |
| [17:29:49] | GreyFoxx: | If you had working XvMC it would likely be fine |
| [17:29:55] | GreyFoxx: | but HDTV without it isn't usable |
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| [17:39:50] | AngryElf_: | greyfoxx, do you have a lircd.conf file for your niveus remote? |
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| [17:40:16] | Hoxzer: | http://pastebin.ca/104079 <--does that look like a crash to you? |
| [17:42:58] | Hoxzer: | :( :) I mean what it contains ^^ |
| [17:43:07] | GreyFoxx: | AngryElf_: I don't use lirc with my remote |
| [17:43:16] | Hoxzer: | so You cannot say "looks like url to me" liek gardengnome did :D |
| [17:45:19] | kormoc: | Hoxzer, sure I can, looks like a url to me |
| [17:45:37] | Hoxzer: | :D kormoc :( dont do it dont do it plz |
| [17:45:52] | Hoxzer: | Maybe if I change my nick to hot_girl |
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| [17:45:58] | Hoxzer: | will I get help then? |
| [17:46:14] | kormoc: | likely not |
| [17:46:20] | Hoxzer: | Ok, hot_guy then? |
| [17:46:27] | kormoc: | as really, your paste is so large noone wants to bother sorting though it |
| [17:47:04] | Hoxzer: | well I dont understand that "log all" thing |
| [17:47:27] | Hoxzer: | so I dont know where I should I start copy |
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| [17:48:47] | Hoxzer: | http://pastebin.ca/104142 ;) is this better ? |
| [17:50:19] | Hoxzer: | Well I go watch stealth while you try to solve it k?= |
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| [17:51:19] | phenex: | Setting up mythtv-database (0.18.1–5ubuntu3) ... |
| [17:51:20] | phenex: | Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1. |
| [17:51:20] | phenex: | Failed to create database (incorrect admin username/password?) |
| [17:51:27] | kormoc: | Hoxzer, well, that's not a crash |
| [17:51:28] | phenex: | why is this happening? |
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| [17:51:49] | kormoc: | phenex, ooh, I donno, perhaps the access denied part? |
| [17:51:51] | phenex: | i've uninstalled mythtv... shouldn't the password reset itself? |
| [17:51:56] | kormoc: | no |
| [17:52:04] | kormoc: | mysql and myth are two entirely different products |
| [17:52:04] | phenex: | why not? |
| [17:52:14] | phenex: | hmm... it's the mysql pass? |
| [17:52:20] | kormoc: | yes |
| [17:52:25] | Hoxzer: | kormoc: ... |
| [17:52:39] | Hoxzer: | ok so it just "freezes" and doesn't show up like a crash |
| [17:52:41] | phenex: | it's blank... so... yet again can't get the problem... |
| [17:52:56] | Hoxzer: | again, something that will piss me off |
| [17:53:34] | kormoc: | Hoxzer, all you asked was if it looked like a crash or not, and that one doesn't look like a crash |
| [17:53:52] | kormoc: | phenex, so at a command line "mysql -u root" works fine? |
| [17:54:15] | kormoc: | phenex, you really should talk to the ubuntu guys about this really, as they could have setup mysql very strangely |
| [17:54:17] | phenex: | Your MySQL connection id is 26 to server version: 5.0.22-Debian_0ubuntu6.06-log |
| [17:54:19] | phenex: | uhu |
| [17:54:36] | kormoc: | and you can't use mysql 5.x with myth 0.18 |
| [17:54:53] | kormoc: | so you need to downgrade myth or not use the offical ubuntu package |
| [17:54:56] | phenex: | grate... now i find out... |
| [17:55:15] | phenex: | can't i downgrade mysql? |
| [17:55:22] | kormoc: | erm |
| [17:55:27] | kormoc: | yes, you can downgrade mysql |
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| [18:39:04] | CyberKnet: | *YAWN* |
| [18:39:22] | CyberKnet: | damn. Gotta remember to cover your mouth when you yawn. |
| [18:39:32] | CyberKnet: | You never know what someone will try to ... never mind. |
| [18:40:43] | Whyvas: | nice monologue |
| [18:44:34] | xris: | phenex: much better to just upgrade mythtv. many better features. |
| [18:45:23] | phenex: | i know, but i really rather use deb packages... having a mixed up system, partly compiled partly binary is something i really really want to avoid... |
| [18:45:43] | xris: | so use them. just don't use the official ones. |
| [18:46:13] | ** xris wishes someone would put an entry to the .19 ubuntu packages in the mythtv wiki or somewhere equally accessible ** | |
| [18:46:56] | phenex: | umm... i've seen them, but have'nt seen any good guide for using them... |
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| [18:47:45] | phenex: | all the guides talk about compiling from source... i had enought of that on fedora... really tired of it... |
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| [18:54:09] | xris: | phenex: huh? fedora has pacakges. |
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| [18:54:27] | xris: | rarely have to compile anything from source in fedora. |
| [18:54:37] | phenex: | yeah, but its` sources were pretty lame... |
| [18:54:49] | phenex: | especially after using gentoo for over a year... |
| [18:54:52] | gardengnome: | Hamstas MythTV repo für Dapper: 'deb http://hamsta.net/mythtv/files/dapper ./' |
| [18:54:54] | xris: | anyway, guides have very little to do with the compile phase.. most are post-install configuration. |
| [18:55:02] | xris: | phenex: then why not use gentoo? |
| [18:55:07] | xris: | gardengnome: thanks |
| [18:55:30] | ** xris pokes Beirdo to get his bot to have keyword/dictionary functions like that ** | |
| [18:55:33] | phenex: | cause it's a pain every time X or gnome or OOo get updated... |
| [18:55:40] | phenex: | kind of sick of that... |
| [18:56:46] | Beirdo: | hmm? |
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| [18:57:13] | xris: | Beirdo: as in something like: !keyword ubuntupackages |
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| [18:57:43] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's been requested, just need to get working on it :) |
| [18:57:53] | gardengnome: | Beirdo: do it, it's awesome |
| [18:58:01] | gardengnome: | in mythtv-de, we have something like, and it just rocks |
| [18:58:04] | kormoc: | phenex, well, oo has a binary package for gentoo (openoffice-bin) so no compile needed there, and xorg 7.0+ is split into many packages, so only the few updated packages need recompiled anymore |
| [18:58:12] | gardengnome: | that's where i always get that sources.list entry from :) |
| [18:58:16] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:58:25] | kormoc: | phenex, and gnome is gnome... can't really say much bout that :P |
| [18:58:36] | phenex: | still, i don't think i'm gonna change distro now... |
| [18:58:39] | phenex: | unless... |
| [18:58:45] | phenex: | is mythTV 0.19 in portage? |
| [18:58:49] | kormoc: | of course |
| [18:58:56] | kormoc: | 0.19-fixes is in portage |
| [18:59:02] | phenex: | hmm... now that's something to think about... |
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| [18:59:23] | gardengnome: | it's probably masked |
| [18:59:31] | kormoc: | gardengnome, not really |
| [18:59:32] | coopster-away is now known as coopster-really- | |
| [18:59:33] | phenex: | yet again, installing gentoo on a P3 800 could be kind of a pain... |
| [18:59:34] | gardengnome: | kormoc: ah, ok |
| [18:59:41] | gardengnome: | i havent touched my gentoo install in a long time |
| [18:59:46] | coopster-really- is now known as coopster-away | |
| [18:59:50] | gardengnome: | anyways, i'm 1.5h late, the GF is gonna kill me. laters. |
| [18:59:51] | kormoc: | gardengnome, a slightly older -fixes is stable and the newest is ~ keyworded, but not hardmasked |
| [19:00:28] | Beirdo: | phenex, P3 800 has plenty of compiling power if you have patience. Start the emerge world, then go to the movies or the beach or something |
| [19:00:49] | Beirdo: | Hmmm, wonder if the weather will be good enough tonight for the beach... |
| [19:00:55] | CyberKnet: | fora week |
| [19:00:56] | ** kormoc loved his 486 gentoo box ** | |
| [19:00:57] | CyberKnet: | or two |
| [19:00:59] | CyberKnet: | take a vacation |
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| [19:01:01] | kormoc: | that took forever :P |
| [19:01:27] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet, nah, it would take about 6h unless doing X (judging by my Celeron 566's performance) |
| [19:01:33] | CyberKnet: | The "show who's not loggedi n script" is pretty neat. |
| [19:01:37] | Beirdo: | if you do X, God help ya |
| [19:01:37] | phenex: | umm... i'm in israel... weather is good for the beach 4 months a year every day... i think i'll take that advice... |
| [19:01:42] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo... heh |
| [19:02:04] | Beirdo: | beach is always good if possible |
| [19:02:25] | Beirdo: | wonder if the wife's in a beach mood today |
| [19:02:25] | CCFL_Man: | i love this cisco 1721 |
| [19:02:29] | Beirdo: | maybe tomorrow |
| [19:02:34] | CCFL_Man: | best farking router i ever owned |
| [19:03:13] | CCFL_Man: | top notch performance |
| [19:03:24] | phenex: | damn... old people every where... where are the times most people on IRC chennels i was on were under 20? :( |
| [19:03:36] | CCFL_Man: | i'm 22 |
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| [19:03:40] | Beirdo: | hehe, we all grew up |
| [19:03:42] | Beirdo: | well, not ALL |
| [19:03:45] | GreyFoxx: | phenex: It really depends on the channels you are hanging in :) |
| [19:03:50] | ** Beirdo gives gardengnome the evil eye ** | |
| [19:03:55] | phenex: | LOL |
| [19:04:01] | ** GreyFoxx has been on IRC since he was ~16 ** | |
| [19:04:02] | xris: | phenex: #efnet. :) |
| [19:04:04] | CCFL_Man: | don't hang in #disney |
| [19:04:16] | xris: | er, not #efnet, but the efnet cluster. |
| [19:04:17] | Beirdo: | don't hang in #teengirls |
| [19:04:27] | CCFL_Man: | GreyFoxx: since 15 :) |
| [19:04:29] | CyberKnet: | lmao |
| [19:04:55] | phenex: | i'm on IRC since i was 12 |
| [19:05:01] | phenex: | the thing is, i'm 16... |
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| [19:06:19] | Beirdo: | OK, I take it back... YOU can hang in #teengirls |
| [19:06:20] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:06:42] | CyberKnet: | But why would he? There's only 16 year old boys in there... |
| [19:06:42] | Beirdo: | beware of FBI agents though |
| [19:06:51] | CyberKnet: | heh |
| [19:06:53] | phenex: | names like #teengirls make me imagine a bunch of 40 year old fat guys... |
| [19:06:54] | CyberKnet: | and 32 year old men. |
| [19:07:06] | GreyFoxx: | phenex: Hehe yer still just an IRC baby :) |
| [19:07:19] | phenex: | gugugu -_- |
| [19:07:27] | CyberKnet: | even if you did waste a quarter of your life on IRC. ;) |
| [19:07:40] | ** GreyFoxx has been on IRC in some way for half of it ** | |
| [19:07:43] | GreyFoxx: | sad |
| [19:07:47] | Dibblah: | Ummm... Have I just tuned into bash.org? |
| [19:08:15] | Beirdo: | Dibblah, we aren't half that interesting |
| [19:08:28] | galorin: | I thought DHS was taking over the lurking in teen rooms, or are we going to be seeing some raids involving a bunch of very confused agents... |
| [19:08:52] | ** GreyFoxx wonders how the mythui migration is going ** | |
| [19:08:52] | Beirdo: | hehe, the FBI raiding the DHS |
| [19:08:57] | Beirdo: | that would be funny |
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| [19:11:56] | CyberKnet: | Nah, the head of the executive branch would just quash the investigation and say "nothing to see here... move along." |
| [19:12:29] | coopster-away is now known as coopster | |
| [19:14:12] | lane: | Hi all. Has anybody seen paulh lately? |
| [19:14:16] | quitte: | hi. this box crashed and now after fixing the fs some tables of the database are marked as crashed and need fixing. how do i do that? |
| [19:15:46] | Dibblah: | myth.rebuilddatabase.pl |
| [19:15:53] | Dibblah: | In contrib |
| [19:16:21] | Dibblah: | Or restore from your backup ;) |
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| [19:19:56] | quitte: | Dibblah: thanks |
| [19:20:43] | RandomDude15: | how do I switch to analog in watch tv from svideo? |
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| [19:28:48] | galorin: | hmm, need to rearrange my disk space. I really need to set aside some dosh for several new hard drives. |
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| [19:43:12] | RandomDude15: | Ok guys how do I switch from svideo to analog under watch tv/ |
| [19:43:14] | RandomDude15: | ? |
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| [19:44:09] | galorin: | maybe what you're asking will make sense to someone else, I'm not that advanced when it comes to all things Myth |
| [19:44:28] | RandomDude15: | I'm just switching input connections. |
| [19:44:32] | GreyFoxx: | You use to be able to hit "C" to switch inputs on the current capture card in use. I assume you can still do that |
| [19:44:49] | RandomDude15: | Ok, I'll try that. |
| [19:45:15] | GreyFoxx: | I don't see it listed in the SVN version of keys.txt though. Weird |
| [19:45:40] | GreyFoxx: | Actually I;'m blind it is still there |
| [19:45:42] | GreyFoxx: | just moved |
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| [19:46:01] | ** GreyFoxx heads home ** | |
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| [19:47:27] | RandomDude15: | doesn't work. |
| [19:48:22] | RandomDude15: | anything elese? |
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| [19:56:34] | RandomDude15: | I need to check my VCR.... |
| [19:56:43] | RandomDude15: | and can't because no one will tell me how to switch to analog. |
| [19:56:56] | phatmonkey: | myth 0.19, ubuntu breezy: whenever i try to encode anything with nuvexport, ffmpeg gets stuck. it figures out how many frames are in the video ("processed: 0 of 188864 frames (0.00%), 0.00 fps"). is this a problem with ffmpeg? |
| [19:57:17] | RandomDude15: | why are you still using breezy? |
| [19:57:58] | phatmonkey: | can't be bothered to fix the things that'll break when i upgrade. ;) |
| [19:58:00] | phatmonkey: | i will some day... |
| [19:58:12] | phatmonkey: | ah, i'm not running the latest version of nuvexport, i'll try that |
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| [20:04:25] | fish_: | mhh |
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| [20:04:44] | fish_: | my mythtv hangs every few seconds a little bit |
| [20:05:02] | fish_: | but my cpu is only at 33% |
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| [20:09:31] | fish_: | i would guess it has something to do with the timeshift data |
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| [20:41:45] | CyberKnet: | could be disk access |
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| [20:57:14] | sphenxes: | I would like to rip several tracks with grip. I only would like to have the date of the file year.month.day.hour.min. I have tried google but difficult to find an answer |
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| [21:01:10] | Juski: | bored bored bored |
| [21:01:28] | CyberKnet: | Well, you *are* on IRC |
| [21:01:51] | Juski: | duh |
| [21:01:59] | CyberKnet: | thus you are bored |
| [21:02:56] | Juski: | other way around for me. watched tv, got bored, came on irc |
| [21:03:19] | tkaine: | GreyFoxx: http://outflux.net/blog/archives/2005/10/16/m . . . tton-sounds/ |
| [21:03:36] | CyberKnet: | you thought irc would be the answer? |
| [21:03:47] | CyberKnet: | button sounds? *shudder* |
| [21:04:04] | Juski: | "I can’t believe it’s not built in."... ffs |
| [21:04:38] | Juski: | I can't believe mythtv is so easy to use/install either, but hey-ho |
| [21:05:16] | Juski: | keeping stuff like that out needs a bounty. I offer $20 |
| [21:05:41] | CyberKnet: | hahaha |
| [21:05:59] | Juski: | ok then $100 |
| [21:06:08] | CyberKnet: | I have no complaints about myth ;) |
| [21:06:41] | Juski: | I don't either, but if that's someone's idea of 'improvement' then erm... :-/ |
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| [21:16:14] | xris: | Juski: bored? sign up for linkedin.com so I can have a brit in my network. :) |
| [21:17:11] | Juski: | linkedin.com? |
| [21:17:14] | ** Juski goes to look ** | |
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| [21:19:52] | xris: | Juski: social networking site centered around job stuff |
| [21:20:17] | xris: | actually met a nice/good recruiter through it. |
| [21:20:27] | ** jams is linked in with a total on 1 ** | |
| [21:20:31] | jams: | of 1 |
| [21:20:42] | xris: | jams: pm me your email |
| [21:21:00] | jams: | sure |
| [21:22:28] | xris: | now you have 2. :) |
| [21:22:57] | jams: | nice, at this rate I might have 3 by next year |
| [21:23:15] | xris: | heh |
| [21:23:25] | kormoc: | or you could just ask who all has linked-in accounts and get people to link with you :P |
| [21:23:26] | xris: | you can link to kormoc through me |
| [21:23:52] | xris: | and beirdo |
| [21:24:18] | xris: | and CyberKnet |
| [21:24:37] | xris: | and j-rod |
| [21:24:46] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:27:49] | xris: | have to get my sister hooked up. then I'll have someone in nigeria (at least for a couple of years) |
| [21:28:13] | jams: | accepted I'm on my why to fame and fortune! |
| [21:28:20] | xris: | :) |
| [21:29:09] | xris: | insta-network. heh |
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| [21:32:14] | jams: | heheh wonder how many connections away from kevin bacon we are. |
| [21:32:28] | Juski: | I remembered a job I need to do.. make an hour long ambient sound cd |
| [21:32:35] | xris: | lol |
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| [21:32:40] | Beirdo: | no farting into the mic |
| [21:33:10] | xris: | hmm, just have to get one of my coworkers to sign up. his sister is an actress in scifi/fantasy tv shows like charmed/buffy. |
| [21:33:22] | xris: | bit parts, but enough to make connections. ehh |
| [21:33:26] | xris: | s/ehh/heh/ |
| [21:33:52] | xris: | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1187903/ |
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| [21:43:17] | Juski: | heheh. 1 hour long cicada & cricket loop |
| [21:43:37] | Beirdo: | add some coqui and it could be PR |
| [21:43:44] | Juski: | coqui? |
| [21:44:02] | Beirdo: | a tree frog (very loud), only native here |
| [21:44:09] | Juski: | ahhhh |
| [21:44:26] | Juski: | might be out of place in Bolton, England. but then... so are cicadas.. lol |
| [21:44:38] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [21:44:59] | Juski: | letting this play on is actually making this heat somehow more bearable |
| [21:45:22] | Beirdo: | what temperature were the cicadas recorded at? |
| [21:45:35] | fish_: | xris: sorry ;) |
| [21:45:40] | xris: | fish_: my bad, too |
| [21:45:41] | Juski: | I have _no_ idea |
| [21:45:44] | Beirdo: | the pitch is directly proportional to the temperature |
| [21:45:56] | Juski: | I can make the pitch anything I want |
| [21:46:22] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:47:43] | fish_: | its such a pain to have a script parsing a webpage for the epg |
| [21:47:57] | fish_: | i should buy a dvb-s card and dish |
| [21:48:01] | xris: | fish_: yes. much nicer in the US/Canada with zap2it's xml stuff. but it's still slow |
| [21:48:01] | sphery: | fish_: Sounds more like your timezone settings are incorrect on your system... |
| [21:48:18] | Juski: | I met a guy last weekend who was a complete & utter whizz with WWW::Mechanize |
| [21:48:37] | sphery: | If you annoy the web page host enough, they may offer to make a web service in exchange for a promise to never screen scrape their pages, again... :) |
| [21:48:40] | Juski: | I told him xmltv needs him ;-) |
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| [21:49:06] | Beirdo: | sphery: yes, or they may just black hole ya |
| [21:49:38] | sphery: | Yeah. I was surprised that TMS did "the right thing" (instead of just blocking requests or changing the website a bit every day). |
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| [21:51:59] | fish_: | sphery: aargs.. i'm sooo stupid... i was pretty sure that i set up the timezone correctly but i forget that this was a few days before on debian.. a few hours later i decided to use gentoo and there i'v forgot to set the timezone.. damn.. |
| [21:52:29] | sphery: | Better to fix it right than to use the time offset in Myth... |
| [21:52:30] | sphery: | :) |
| [21:52:37] | fish_: | yes ;) |
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| [21:53:20] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure the time offset in Myth only exists because some number of users never figured out how to properly set the timezone on their systems. |
| [21:53:42] | fish_: | especially when i see in a few days that my zoneinfo was wrong and the same issue begins again |
| [21:55:00] | ru: | hey guys |
| [21:55:09] | ru: | for some reason mythtv doesnt have audio |
| [21:55:13] | ru: | it does this everytime i reboot |
| [21:55:34] | ru: | usually i just choose watch tv/exit/watch tv until it sorts it out |
| [21:55:35] | sphery: | ru: muted? |
| [21:55:44] | ru: | and after about 3 times it came right |
| [21:55:46] | ru: | this time – nadaa |
| [21:55:52] | ru: | hehe no it aint muted |
| [21:56:07] | sphery: | So, you're getting the error about Myth being unable to open the audio device? |
| [21:56:09] | ru: | if i press volume up/down nothing comes up, which shows me that myth hasnt initialised audi |
| [21:56:17] | ru: | well thats the thing |
| [21:56:27] | ru: | i dont see anything under the backend |
| [21:56:31] | ru: | it would be in the frontend hey? |
| [21:56:34] | ru: | lemme check logs |
| [21:56:59] | sphery: | If Myth gives you an error (popup dialog), it means there's an issue with the sound config (i.e. you've specified the wrong device or the device doesn't actually exist). |
| [21:57:21] | ru: | i checked – its using dsp and that works |
| [21:57:24] | ru: | i checked with speaker-test |
| [21:57:33] | ru: | and xine/mplayer can play audio fine |
| [21:57:35] | ru: | its just myth |
| [21:57:42] | sphery: | If you don't get an error from Myth, it's probably elsewhere (like your ALSA init script hasn't finished executing, so it hasn't applied your save sound settings--asound.state) |
| [21:58:36] | ru: | oh wait |
| [21:58:43] | ru: | i see a whole lot of stuff in logs |
| [21:58:48] | ru: | error opening device /dev/dsp1 |
| [21:58:53] | ru: | speaker-test works with that though |
| [21:58:56] | ru: | hmm maybe its permissions? |
| [21:59:27] | ru: | what should i chmod it to 666? |
| [22:00:48] | sphery: | what is it now? |
| [22:00:53] | sphery: | ls -al /dev/dsp1 |
| [22:01:12] | ru: | crw-rw-rw |
| [22:01:19] | ru: | i just chmod'ed it though |
| [22:01:23] | ru: | hmm nothing same error |
| [22:01:29] | ru: | ok wait it seems i was too premature |
| [22:01:34] | ru: | speaker-test isnt working |
| [22:01:41] | ru: | if i just run speaker-test it plays sound |
| [22:01:46] | sphery: | what's the whole of the ls -l |
| [22:01:52] | sphery: | group and owner are important |
| [22:02:02] | ru: | but speaker-test -d /dev/dsp1 doesnt work either |
| [22:02:16] | ru: | lemme grab it quick |
| [22:02:46] | ru: | crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 19 2006-07–28 23:23 /dev/dsp1 |
| [22:03:07] | sphery: | Your distro was configured such that users needing access to the audio devices (i.e. the user running mythfrontend) should be members of the group audio. |
| [22:03:19] | ru: | aah ok |
| [22:03:24] | sphery: | Then, you don't have to make it 666, you could use 660 or 664 or ... |
| [22:03:25] | ru: | so how do i check groups? |
| [22:03:34] | Juski: | crickets, monkeys, kookaburra... this is gonna make him happy but it'll be a typical SFX mismatch :-P |
| [22:03:43] | kormoc: | sphery, how's that work? cause right now, it being 666, how does group or owner matter? |
| [22:03:58] | ru: | Juski: Where did I go wrong though? |
| [22:04:09] | Juski: | ru: I don't care |
| [22:04:20] | sphery: | I was only trying to prevent him from mis-configuring his system |
| [22:04:26] | kormoc: | ru, type "groups" to see your groups |
| [22:04:26] | ru: | Juski: lol |
| [22:04:29] | ** Juski is on holiday from helping for a while ** | |
| [22:04:39] | sphery: | And thinking that udev will re-create the audio devices with different permissions from the ones he sets right now... |
| [22:04:46] | ru: | root is the only group |
| [22:04:54] | sphery: | Unless he modifies udev (so that it mis-configures his system)... |
| [22:05:08] | sphery: | ru: what user runs mythfrontend |
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| [22:05:23] | kormoc: | not always, it could have been 666 from the start, depending on the distro |
| [22:05:24] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [22:05:29] | ru: | my user "ru" |
| [22:05:59] | sphery: | True, but it was easier than asking him to reboot to a clean config to figure out where he's starting... |
| [22:06:05] | sphery: | groups ru |
| [22:06:14] | sphery: | should tell you what groups ru is a member of... |
| [22:06:25] | ru: | i just ran sudo mythfrontend and it made no diff |
| [22:06:38] | ru: | does that coincide with your theory? |
| [22:06:51] | ru: | ru : ru adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin |
| [22:06:58] | ru: | looks like it a member of audio... |
| [22:07:01] | kormoc: | aye |
| [22:07:06] | sphery: | ru: we haven't gotten to my theory, yet. I'm just trying to keep you from breaking things farther... |
| [22:07:09] | sphery: | :) |
| [22:07:14] | ru: | lol kk |
| [22:07:32] | ru: | wtf does myths sip client spam the frontend output/log |
| [22:07:35] | sphery: | so, if mythfrontend is running as the user ru, it has access to the audio devices... |
| [22:07:36] | ru: | its seriously annoyin |
| [22:07:43] | kormoc: | ru, when you were testing /dev/dsp1 with mplayer/etc, did you force them to use the second sound card? |
| [22:07:45] | ru: | sphery: correct |
| [22:07:56] | ru: | kormoc: lemme check |
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| [22:08:14] | sphery: | Right, are you /sure/ you want to use /dev/dsp1 (as opposed to just /dev/dsp or /dev/dsp0)? |
| [22:09:34] | ru: | xine can play sound, mplayer cant |
| [22:09:47] | kormoc: | ru, to /dev/dsp1? |
| [22:10:00] | ru: | using "default" alsa driver |
| [22:10:01] | kormoc: | ru, is there any reason you need to use the second sound card? |
| [22:10:09] | kormoc: | that would be to the first sound card |
| [22:10:32] | sphery: | ru: Try changing Myth to use "ALSA:default" (audio device) and "default" (mixer)--no quotes. |
| [22:10:59] | ru: | ok |
| [22:11:21] | ru: | why is this happening though? Looks like the /dev/dsp isnt bound to the correct hardware |
| [22:11:38] | sphery: | ? |
| [22:11:41] | sphery: | ls -al /dev/dsp |
| [22:12:11] | ru: | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-07–28 23:23 /dev/dsp |
| [22:12:20] | ru: | should i chmod that? |
| [22:12:33] | kormoc: | ru, erm? |
| [22:12:41] | sphery: | No, if you're really in the audio group it's fine |
| [22:12:52] | sphery: | (and it will probably come up with 660 again next reboot, anyway) |
| [22:12:54] | kormoc: | ru, do you understand that you have two sound cards? |
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| [22:15:08] | ru: | yeah |
| [22:15:22] | ru: | 1=webcam |
| [22:15:32] | ru: | 1=soundcard |
| [22:15:34] | ru: | 2* |
| [22:15:43] | kormoc: | ru, okay, cause it's gonna be a nice mess everytime you want to do sound crap |
| [22:15:48] | kormoc: | can't you load it in reverse order? |
| [22:15:49] | ru: | i think dsp is webcam |
| [22:15:54] | ru: | dsp1 is soundcard |
| [22:16:07] | sphery: | Did the ALSA:default work? |
| [22:16:18] | sphery: | (it should get around the dsp-naming issues) |
| [22:16:37] | kormoc: | sphery, not really, given by default ASLA goes to the first sound card (Webcam in this case) |
| [22:16:39] | ru: | im having a hard time finding it :/ |
| [22:16:52] | kormoc: | sphery, he'd need to customize a .asoundrc to point to the right hardware card |
| [22:16:53] | sphery: | Only if the webcam actually has an ALSA driver... |
| [22:17:13] | kormoc: | sphery, I think he's using only alsa with the alsa oss kernel layer |
| [22:17:22] | ru: | it will only let me set audio to /dev/adsp | /dev/dsp | /dev/dsp1 |
| [22:17:28] | sphery: | Type it in |
| [22:17:37] | ru: | lol |
| [22:17:38] | sphery: | ALSA:default |
| [22:17:39] | ru: | im such a noob |
| [22:17:41] | sphery: | for mixer, use |
| [22:17:42] | sphery: | default |
| [22:17:57] | sphery: | (not always "intuitive" until you've done it before) |
| [22:17:59] | ru: | in my defense, my tv is far away and hard to read |
| [22:18:00] | ru: | hehe |
| [22:18:54] | sphery: | guess you need a bigger TV. |
| [22:19:03] | ru: | no difference |
| [22:19:07] | sphery: | My 67" 1080p is readable from across the room. ;) |
| [22:19:11] | sphery: | OK. |
| [22:19:14] | ru: | i dont get any errors about it not being able to open device though |
| [22:19:19] | ru: | still no audi |
| [22:19:30] | ru: | oh wait |
| [22:19:34] | sphery: | And it's not muted? |
| [22:19:46] | ru: | i see: snd_pcm_open(default): no such file or directory |
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| [22:20:14] | ru: | and something like snd_pcm_open(default) unable to open slave |
| [22:20:27] | sphery: | How could you not have a default device defined?... (liking the alliteration) |
| [22:20:41] | sphery: | Oh, you have a bad definition... |
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| [22:20:58] | sphery: | Do you have a ~/.asoundrc or an /etc/asound.conf |
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| [22:21:17] | ru: | yup |
| [22:21:19] | ru: | lemme pastbin it |
| [22:22:48] | sphery: | While you're at it, you could pastebin the output of aplay -l |
| [22:22:55] | ru: | kk |
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| [22:24:32] | sphery: | fish_: did you empty your program listings before re-running mythfilldatabase (after properly setting your timezone and ensuring you don't specify an offset in MythTV)? |
| [22:25:34] | fish_: | no.. |
| [22:25:45] | sphery: | You can do that from the mysql client with: |
| [22:25:52] | sphery: | DELETE FROM program; |
| [22:26:10] | sphery: | (or TRUNCATE TABLE program;) |
| [22:26:46] | ru: | http://pastebin.ca/104479 |
| [22:26:54] | ru: | theres the pastes |
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| [22:27:06] | fish_: | ok.. i hope "auto" and a correct date + timezone is enough |
| [22:27:27] | xris: | fish_: did you wipe out all of the old program data? |
| [22:27:32] | fish_: | i use tv_grab_de_tvtoday which parses a webpage and this take ages |
| [22:27:36] | sphery: | xris: he's working on it now... |
| [22:27:36] | fish_: | ;) |
| [22:27:44] | sphery: | Oh. |
| [22:28:03] | sphery: | I'll check tomorrow to see how it went for you. ;) |
| [22:28:29] | sphery: | ru: Try: |
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| [22:28:37] | sphery: | mv ~/.asoundrc ~/asoundrc-old |
| [22:28:48] | fish_: | "Query OK, 4154 rows affected (0.02 sec)" if filling the table would take so long as deleting it... ;) |
| [22:28:49] | sphery: | then restart mythfrontend and try playback, again |
| [22:29:20] | ru: | u think that file is messing it up? |
| [22:29:23] | sphery: | fish_: even with DataDirect (where download takes <2secs on my system), it takes a while to fill the table. |
| [22:29:28] | sphery: | ru: yup |
| [22:29:42] | sphery: | I'll give you a link to how to fix it but I want to prove that it works, first. |
| [22:30:15] | fish_: | i started mythfilldatabase with 'time', lets see how long it takes ;) |
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| [22:31:03] | fish_: | sphery: whats DataDirect? |
| [22:31:16] | sphery: | The provider of program data for North American users. |
| [22:31:31] | ru: | omg |
| [22:31:36] | ru: | sphery u a genius |
| [22:31:52] | ** ru hands sphery leetest entity in the universe award ** | |
| [22:32:08] | sphery: | We used to screenscrape zap2it.com's website, but were killing their servers. They made a web service that's extremely fast in comparison after making us promise to never screen scrape their site again. |
| [22:32:22] | sphery: | ru: OK, now you probably want to make a good ALSA config file |
| [22:32:34] | sphery: | Follow the instructions at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DigitalS . . . .2C_Properly |
| [22:32:38] | fish_: | i'm wondering why such thing don't exist here in germany :/ |
| [22:32:40] | ru: | yeah |
| [22:32:41] | sphery: | (even if you don't plan to use digital sound) |
| [22:32:42] | ru: | ill do that next |
| [22:33:05] | sphery: | The one you've got has a bunch of typos in it, and really isn't worth fixing (it's not that useful). |
| [22:33:09] | sphery: | Mine is better |
| [22:33:14] | sphery: | I mean, the one on the wiki... |
| [22:34:31] | sphery: | ru: Of course, you can always enjoy watching some TV (with sound) for as long as you want, first. |
| [22:34:34] | sphery: | :) |
| [22:34:57] | sphery: | If you have ALSA 1.0.9 or above, the behavior your broken .asoundrc was trying to give you is the default behavior, anyway... |
| [22:37:31] | sphery: | fish_: as for the guide data web service, we only got it in North America because the company whose site we were using happens to be very supportive of projects like MythTV. |
| [22:37:36] | sphery: | (= we were lucky) |
| [22:37:49] | fish_: | btw: when running mythfilldatabase i'v got some errors related to wrong languages in database columns: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_swedish_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation '=' |
| [22:37:50] | sphery: | They could have taken a lot of other approaches, instead. |
| [22:38:07] | sphery: | That will cause problems. |
| [22:38:13] | fish_: | sphery: thats cool |
| [22:38:19] | sphery: | (in the long term, but not now) |
| [22:38:45] | sphery: | What CHARSET did you have set for your database? |
| [22:39:17] | fish_: | but i think the tv stations wants the the ppl know there program.. why dont they provide some xml based tv guide which could be easily parsed.. |
| [22:39:30] | fish_: | sphery: nothing special, the gentoo default i think |
| [22:40:07] | sphery: | You're in Germany? |
| [22:40:23] | fish_: | but that error occurs only in some cases with "strange names" ;) |
| [22:40:35] | fish_: | yes, but i don't have anything localized here |
| [22:40:49] | fish_: | SELECT person FROM people WHERE name = 'Rozonda Chilli Thomas'; |
| [22:41:07] | fish_: | ah, the paste remove those strange characters.. |
| [22:41:36] | sphery: | yeah, always hard to show problems like that with chat/mail/HTML |
| [22:43:11] | fish_: | seams that latin1_swedish_ci is the default mysql collation type |
| [22:43:24] | sphery: | fish_: what version of MySQL are you using? 4.1.xx? (where xx =?) |
| [22:43:48] | fish_: | 5.0.22 |
| [22:43:53] | sphery: | OK. |
| [22:44:11] | sphery: | Just wondering. There was a bug related to this that was fixed in 4.1.16 and 5.0.17. |
| [22:44:26] | sphery: | So, I guess yours isn't a bug. :) (At least not a MySQL bug...) |
| [22:44:35] | sphery: | http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=10446 |
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| [22:45:48] | kormoc: | fish_, did you compile mysql with the latin1 use flag set? |
| [22:45:50] | fish_: | i think its just that mythtv tried to compare a utf8 string with a latin1_swedish_ci string... |
| [22:46:02] | fish_: | kormoc: no |
| [22:46:22] | sphery: | glad a Gentoo'er stepped in to help... |
| [22:46:28] | Juski: | btw folks.. didst thou know .. today was sysadmin day? |
| [22:47:11] | fish_: | well, it istn a big problem at all, it only occurs on about 5 inserts per day which was fetched |
| [22:47:14] | kormoc: | fish_, you might want to, as then the default codepage wouldn't be UTF-8 and thus wouldn't cause the conflict |
| [22:47:20] | Juski: | all hail ye sysadmins :-) |
| [22:47:58] | fish_: | Juski: wasn't that yesterday? |
| [22:48:00] | fish_: | eh |
| [22:48:07] | fish_: | damn timezones.. ;) |
| [22:48:14] | Juski: | depends where you live I spose.. the day isn't over yet quite yet |
| [22:48:23] | fish_: | 00:50 < Juski> depends where you live I spose.. the day isn't over yet quite yet |
| [22:48:27] | fish_: | it's for me ;) |
| [22:49:04] | ** Juski kills the cricket & jungle noises ** | |
| [22:49:47] | fish_: | kormoc: what would gentoo do if i USE latin1? just change my config (that can i do myself ;)) |
| [22:50:28] | kormoc: | fish_, basically, yes, if you're comfortable enough to do so, by all means |
| [22:51:09] | sphery: | fish_: You need to fix it. If you have failures during mythfilldatabase, it can affect mfdb's ability to do post-fill processing (depending, of course, on how your XMLTV scripts handle it.) |
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| [22:52:06] | sphery: | Should be OK in relatively-recent 0.19-fixes (or SVN trunk), but I don't know if we found all the failure cases when fixing the issue... |
| [22:52:22] | sphery: | So, a clean mfdb run is always desired. :) |
| [22:53:14] | fish_: | sphery: well. i think there will only be some fields empty? |
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| [22:57:09] | fish_: | yes! =) |
| [22:57:13] | fish_: | seams that my epg works |
| [22:57:40] | fish_: | and it didnt take that long: real 20m27.100s |
| [23:00:34] | Juski: | uk peeps... watch out for this show on thursday.. http://www.tvscoop.tv/2006/07/set_the_video_a_1.html |
| [23:01:50] | fish_: | how fast should a via epia board be to have mythtv run nice on it? |
| [23:02:23] | fish_: | i'm thinking about buying such a think.. i don't want to have my pc running 24/7 |
| [23:02:28] | Juski: | mine runs just fine on 1ghz |
| [23:02:53] | xris: | fish_: depends on what you want to display on it (what kind of video) |
| [23:02:56] | fish_: | with pci or usb tv "card"? |
| [23:03:10] | fish_: | xris: well, not hdtv, only pal |
| [23:03:21] | Juski: | mine is just a frontend, but you can run 2 tuners in one |
| [23:03:36] | xris: | fish_: just display, not encoding? |
| [23:03:56] | fish_: | and with a pci card, i have atm only a analog card but later i'll buy a dvb-s card maybe |
| [23:04:04] | fish_: | xris: both |
| [23:04:14] | Juski: | you couldn't use a software encoder & be happy with it IMHO |
| [23:04:16] | xris: | fish_: software encoder or hardware? |
| [23:04:22] | xris: | Juski: for SO many reasons. :) |
| [23:04:57] | fish_: | xris: well. atm i have a analog tuner card, so i think it needs a software encoder.. its a bt848 |
| [23:05:10] | xris: | analog can be done with a pvr-150 hardware encoder |
| [23:05:29] | xris: | you'll be able to use bt8x8 with an epia, but you won't like the quality you'll be limited to |
| [23:05:38] | fish_: | well, lets say, in the worst case it need to do everything on the cpu... ;) |
| [23:05:38] | sphery: | fish_: The problems I (and at least one other user) had when I had errors during the running of the grabber resulted in recording shows for which I had no recording rules or not recording shows for which I had rules. |
| [23:06:11] | sphery: | It's not that your data will be bad (although it might), it's that there's a failure during the data loading, which can affect how Myth deals with what's supposed to happen /after/ data loading. |
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| [23:06:52] | fish_: | sounds not nice :/ maybe i'll just stick with a older pc |
| [23:07:02] | Juski: | my pvr150 card might be going up for sale soon.. waiting on a call from my cableco about what they're going to do about upsetting me with their STB 'upgrade' |
| [23:07:15] | xris: | fish_: pvr-150 is a good card |
| [23:07:48] | fish_: | xris: analog or digital? |
| [23:08:08] | ** sphery still hasn't decided what to do with a PVR-350, a PVR-250, and a PVR-150 (all NTSC) and a PVR-150 (PAL) once he installs his 4x pcHDTV system... ** | |
| [23:08:29] | Juski: | why, ebay of course |
| [23:08:48] | sphery: | fish_: PVR-150 is an analog capture card that outputs MPEG-2 encoded digital data |
| [23:09:33] | sphery: | Might do that, Juski. I haven't ever sold anything on ebay (and only purchased one thing--that wasn't what the seller described ;) |
| [23:09:53] | fish_: | well, thats nice.. but i think if i buy a new card it should be a dvb-s card |
| [23:11:37] | fish_: | even though i have to talk to my girlfriend.. i think she won't a dish on the balcony ;) |
| [23:11:43] | Juski: | fish_: most epia boards have an onboard mpeg2 decoder. playback of pvr/dvb recordings on my fe takes like 15% cpu |
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| [23:12:49] | fish_: | ok, than, what epia board would i need to run mythtv on it if i had a tv card (i think pci should be better than usb?) which outputs mpeg2? |
| [23:13:17] | Juski: | epia m-8000 upwards |
| [23:14:28] | fish_: | yes.. i thought something like that.. but even a 800mhz epia is still expensive ;) |
| [23:14:52] | Juski: | yeah but they're small & efficient, and can be silent. as in totally silent |
| [23:14:55] | xris: | fish_: have to check to make sure that you can actually legally decrypt the satellite signal, too |
| [23:17:13] | fish_: | Juski: not with a hdd ;) |
| [23:17:30] | fish_: | xris: ? |
| [23:19:00] | fish_: | what should be illegal in buying a computer and a dvb-s card and watching tv? i'm just curious, not that i would care ;) |
| [23:20:03] | Juski: | fish: pah. diskless |
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| [23:21:00] | fish_: | Juski: but you will still have some loud monster where you store your movies on ;) |
| [23:21:00] | Juski: | and... believe it or not, we care about what users talk about in here. decrypting paytv has to be done legally if you want help with it. that means doing it in hardware, not with some 1337 software hack |
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| [23:21:17] | Juski: | yes I do, but it's well out of earshot |
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| [23:21:25] | lelo_1966: | pulling my hair out with Directv, can anyone help? |
| [23:21:54] | xris: | fish_: most satellite tv is encrypted. you have to pay a service to receive the signal. very few services will give you a decryption card to plug into a dvb-s pci card so you can decrypt the signal. |
| [23:21:55] | fish_: | but i never talked about paytv, there are enough freetv on dvb-s ;) |
| [23:22:18] | Juski: | xris: european ones are usually ok about that kind of thing |
| [23:22:20] | xris: | fish_: if it's not encrypted, then you're fine. and lucky to live in a country where there's a lot of fta stuff. |
| [23:22:30] | xris: | lelo_1966: ask an actual question, please |
| [23:22:45] | fish_: | yep, i think german tv should be freely available |
| [23:22:49] | xris: | Juski: maybe I should move to europe |
| [23:22:53] | lelo_1966: | I can not get a signal out of my Directv box |
| [23:22:54] | xris: | fish_: you're in .de, right? |
| [23:22:58] | fish_: | xris: yes |
| [23:23:06] | xris: | have you chatted with the folks in #mythtv-de? |
| [23:23:08] | lelo_1966: | I got to work with regular antenna but not Dtv |
| [23:23:24] | xris: | lelo_1966: what's your setup? svideo/composite from directv + ir blaster? |
| [23:23:35] | lelo_1966: | xris: yes |
| [23:23:42] | xris: | and what doesn't work? |
| [23:23:52] | lelo_1966: | xris: I get no signal at all |
| [23:24:17] | lelo_1966: | xris: not sure if the mythsetup is correct |
| [23:24:20] | xris: | lelo_1966: you went into mythtv-setup and changed all of the settings over to use the svideo port on your tuner card, etc? |
| [23:24:41] | fish_: | xris: no ;) didnt even knew that this channel exists ;) |
| [23:24:52] | xris: | wow.. gardengnome's slacking. :) |
| [23:24:53] | lelo_1966: | xris: no it still using the tuner |
| [23:25:03] | xris: | lelo_1966: that'd be the first thing to fix. :) |
| [23:25:19] | lelo_1966: | xris: thanks im on it! |
| [23:26:03] | xris: | fish_: not that we don't like you here, but they'll know a lot more about german tv. :) |
| [23:26:15] | fish_: | ...and how fast should me epia board be wenn i want to use "some 1337 software hack" *cover* |
| [23:26:20] | fish_: | :P |
| [23:27:40] | Juski: | fish_: it doesn't matter, cos mythtv doesn't support such stuff, and we don't support the use of it either. far from it.. we smack it down (rightly I think) |
| [23:28:01] | Juski: | speak to the VDR guys if you want 1337-ness |
| [23:28:37] | fish_: | Juski: do you work for a paytv channel? :> |
| [23:29:29] | Juski: | fish_: no, but I don't believe in stealing tv. if everybody did it there'd be no nice paytv to have |
| [23:30:32] | fish_: | Juski: only if ppl would "steal" tv _instead_ of buying it. not if would watch paytv who would never buy it |
| [23:30:42] | Juski: | and if mythtv condoned cable/satellite theft, its days would more than likely be numbered |
| [23:31:04] | fish_: | well ok, thats whole another story |
| [23:31:40] | fish_: | you have the dmca... *shudder* |
| [23:31:46] | xris: | Juski doesn't |
| [23:31:46] | Juski: | what I've seen of the channels I don't get in my package – I wouldn't want them anyway.. for free or otherwise |
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| [23:32:10] | Juski: | but there are those who just get all the can because um... they can |
| [23:32:18] | ** xris wishes he could get sky or real bbc ** | |
| [23:32:20] | Juski: | s/the/they |
| [23:32:29] | fish_: | Juski: yes, and exaclty that don't harm paytv at all |
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| [23:33:33] | Juski: | xris: it's not all that good these days. I think you guys get the cream of it anyway |
| [23:33:36] | psm321: | hi |
| [23:34:12] | psm321: | is anyone aware of an incompatibility between older versions (~1 year ago) of mythtv and the latest ivtv? |
| [23:34:26] | xris: | Juski: yes. just late. they started showing Life On Mars last week. good show. |
| [23:34:47] | xris: | psm321: not aware, but not unlikely. |
| [23:34:53] | xris: | why not upgrade mythtv? |
| [23:35:16] | psm321: | i don't want to upgrade everything at once and enf=d up with nothing working |
| [23:35:26] | psm321: | right now i can reboot into the older mkernel with older ivtv |
| [23:35:55] | psm321: | (with new ivtv, it works fine before starting myth, but after myth tries to do a recording it dies... no errors, but no output from /dev/video0) |
| [23:36:18] | psm321: | so i'm guessing some ioctl is messing it up or saomething |
| [23:37:11] | psm321: | i could backup my mythtv install and try a newer one but the upgraded database would probably make the old version unhappy if i had to go back |
| [23:37:15] | xris: | Juski: oh, nice.. reading episode synopses, it looks like they're broadcasting out of order in the US. |
| [23:37:52] | xris: | psm321: yes. you definitely need to back up the db if you fear the upgrade |
| [23:38:28] | psm321: | that's what i'm probably going to end up doing... i was just hoping maybe someone knew for sure that there was an incompatibility and the issue didn't lie elsewhere |
| [23:39:45] | Juski: | xris: ouch. we get imports shown out of sequence too if it's any consolation |
| [23:48:23] | Aid` (Aid`!n=Aid@69.54.213.75) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:48:36] | CCFL_Man: | i wish i could code |
| [23:49:40] | CCFL_Man: | you can easily do a directv plugin that can run legally using a satellite card who's tuner can do dss and dvb |
| [23:50:25] | psm321: | i was under the impression that's already possible |
| [23:50:41] | Juski: | no no no, and again no |
| [23:50:59] | psm321: | k |
| [23:51:02] | psm321: | sorry |
| [23:51:13] | CCFL_Man: | it can be possible |
| [23:51:20] | CyberKnet: | CCFL_Man: Consider for a moment that greater minds than yours might have already considered this dilemma, and came up a few sandwiches shy of a picnic... |
| [23:51:48] | CyberKnet: | CCFL_Man: Which is not a slight against you, by the way... they are greater than my mind too. |
| [23:52:06] | CCFL_Man: | CyberKnet: they have, with 3 programs, one can decode directv on a pc legally with their own subscription |
| [23:52:23] | Juski: | I seriously doubt that |
| [23:52:37] | CyberKnet: | Does DirecTV agree with your "legally" assessment? |
| [23:52:38] | CCFL_Man: | i doubted it to until i saw |
| [23:52:44] | CyberKnet: | I would almost guarantee they don't |
| [23:53:02] | CCFL_Man: | they don't, it's not signal theft by any means, it's fair use |
| [23:53:15] | Juski: | even if you own a subscription the use of software to decrypt is a very grey legal area |
| [23:53:47] | CCFL_Man: | it's grey, but it's legal, no signal theft, nothing violating dmca |
| [23:53:53] | Juski: | you'd think that being able to play DVDs in linux would be fair use, but that's technically illegal in the US |
| [23:54:14] | CCFL_Man: | it is fair use |
| [23:54:19] | kormoc: | CCFL_Man, well, in the least, it's a banned topic in this channel |
| [23:54:34] | CyberKnet: | CCFL_Man: It may not be signal theft, but I also have my doubts as to its legality specifically with regards to the clause in hte DMCA that relates to a using a device to circumvent encryption. |
| [23:54:39] | Juski: | mythtv doesn't have enough lawyers to be able to back up that claim |
| [23:54:47] | CyberKnet: | CCFL_Man: and as kormoc says, it's a banned topic in here. |
| [23:54:58] | CCFL_Man: | kormoc: i'm not talking about signal theft |
| [23:55:12] | CyberKnet: | CCFL_Man: neither is kormoc |
| [23:55:20] | CCFL_Man: | there is nothing that circumvents encryption, there is no way to |
| [23:55:26] | kormoc: | CCFL_Man, the offical channel policy is, any talk of de-encryption is a banned topic here |
| [23:55:30] | Juski: | CCFL_Man: you're talking about something which could be construed as illegal, or at least not black or white legal |
| [23:55:57] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: de-encryption .. otherwise known as decryption ;) |
| [23:56:04] | CCFL_Man: | well, i'll stop then, you guys just haven't done the research |
| [23:56:09] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, sure, call it a brain fart :P |
| [23:56:18] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: just poking fun :) |
| [23:56:54] | CyberKnet: | CCFL_Man: a dissenting viewpoint does not always indicate a lack of research, and to insinuate such is ignorant. |
| [23:56:56] | CCFL_Man: | there just isn't any solution for directv other than connecting the receiver to the analog inputs |
| [23:57:19] | Juski: | CCFL_Man: so take your complaint to directv, who'll sell you their own PVR |
| [23:57:57] | CCFL_Man: | i'm not complaining, i'm wondering if there is any solution to this, like firewire |
| [23:58:10] | Juski: | nope |
| [23:58:13] | CyberKnet: | CCFL_Man: It's a providers world out there, and you are a consumer. Find enough like-minded consumers and the providers will have to change. Be it because of market forces, or political pressure. Those are your avenues. |
| [23:58:39] | CCFL_Man: | CyberKnet: unfortunately |
| [23:58:42] | CyberKnet: | CCFL_Man: Firewire is available for HD boxes from some cable providers, but they still encrypt premium channels. |
| [23:59:00] | CCFL_Man: | i thought the fcc didn't allow that |
| [23:59:11] | CyberKnet: | CCFL_Man: I'm very glad to see you aren't taking any of these things as personal attacks. |
| [23:59:14] | CCFL_Man: | the encryption |
| [23:59:26] | CyberKnet: | CCFL_Man: I honestly don't know enough about that to say one way or hte other. |
| [23:59:36] | CCFL_Man: | CyberKnet: oh, ok |
| [23:59:55] | CyberKnet: | CCFL_Man: in that case, I have not done my research :) |
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