Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, July 27th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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RandomDude15:

im having trouble

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RandomDude15:

getting mytharchive

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RandomDude15:

on kubuntu 6.06

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gardengnome:

can you

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gardengnome:

please explain

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gardengnome:

what's wrong?

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RandomDude15:

when I do make I get an error

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xris:

CyberKnet: yeah, it's a little overpriced (like $14 for a tiny piece of plastic) but it works great for small batches

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RandomDude15:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArch . . . Installation – i did exactly what it said to do there.

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CyberKnet:

does the 2 liter need a special cap post carbonation?

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gardengnome:

RandomDude15: are you running mythtv from svn trunk? not 0.19-fixes?

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RandomDude15:

no.

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RandomDude15:

im running the 0.19 fixes.

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gardengnome:

"Note: This plugin requires at least SVN Revision 9846 to run"

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gardengnome:

rev 9846 from trunk, that is.

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RandomDude15:

how can I get it?

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gardengnome:

if you ask like that, you probably don't want to be using it. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Alpha_test

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gardengnome:

anyways, go to http://svn.mythtv.org

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xris:

CyberKnet: carbonator works as a cap

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xris:

CyberKnet: http://www.thegrape.net/browse.cfm/4,8775.html

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xris:

it's just a screw cap with a valve on the top

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Speedy2:

How expensive are CO2 tanks?

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xris:

tank is cheapish ($80–150 depending on size).. but you'll need a regulator, hoses, etc.. and at that point it's cheaper to get a kit. I think I paid $180 for a 5 lb tank, regulator, 2 hoses and connectors and 2 cornelius (pepsi) kegs.

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CyberKnet:

new 5lb is about $80

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CyberKnet:

www.highgravitybrew.com

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CyberKnet:

very good prices there from what I've seen

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CyberKnet:

good prices on most everything

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xris:

I have a 20lb tank now because I went to refill my 5lb once and they didn't have any. so it cost me like $4 for the 20 lb (difference in price for the air)

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CyberKnet:

xris: you rent it?

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xris:

CyberKnet: own "a" tank.. you don't refill them, just exchange for others.

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CyberKnet:

at that particular place?

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xris:

anywhere I've ever gone. usually welding supply places

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xris:

it's like $8–12 to refill, depending on tank size

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CyberKnet:

hmmm. Everywhere I'd seen was "fill" your own tank

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CyberKnet:

because they have to be inspected every 5 years

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CyberKnet:

and if it doesn't pass... you don't get it back

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xris:

never seen that. takes special training to run the machines, etc.

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xris:

CyberKnet: no clue. I just take in the empty tank and get a full one back for like $12

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xris:

my 5 lb lasted me like 3 years. I expect the 20 to last a lot longer heh

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CyberKnet:

well, they fill it, but it's the same empty tank you bring in

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xris:

ah. that would take too long.

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CyberKnet:

it's the way they do LPG

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xris:

low pressure?

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CyberKnet:

as in, propane. I don't know if the pressure is lower or not.

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xris:

propane is different here. you can get that at gas stations. have to go to a welding supply place for co2.

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CyberKnet:

yeah. paint ball shops too.

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xris:

I don't imagine welders/contractors would want to wait for the hours it would take to refill a dozen tanks.

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CyberKnet:

that may well be how it works here too

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CyberKnet:

I wouldn't know for sure.

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CyberKnet:

Just going off what the guys at the homebrew store said.

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CyberKnet:

did you get your original tank from the welding supply place?

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Speedy2:

Do you guys carbonate beer or soda or?

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xris:

soda and sometimes mead. beer carbonates itself

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Speedy2:

Mead?

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xris:

CyberKnet: got the original stuff from a brew store in a kit, with kegs, etc.

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xris:

Speedy2: wikipedia

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CyberKnet:

If you don't mind me asking, how much did your kit cost, and did you get new or used kegs?

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xris:

$180 or so (I said that earlier, actually), and afaik all corny kegs you get from brew stores are used — seals are replaced, etc., though

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xris:

I think the kegs are like $30 apiece. tank and regulator are the expensive parts

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CyberKnet:

sorry, I must have missed it.

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CyberKnet:

High Gravity offers new corny kegs for $100 a piece

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xris:

no point in getting new ones

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CyberKnet:

but yeah, their used kegs are $30 a piece

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CyberKnet:

and I agree

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xris:

only diff is new ones are shiny

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CyberKnet:

no point in getting new just to look shinyt

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Speedy2:

Mead looks quite good

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xris:

Speedy2: you in the US?

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RandomDude15:

I need a way to burn DVDs with MythTv 0.19.

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Speedy2:

xris: Yes sir.

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Beirdo:

sucker

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Beirdo:

heheh

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s34n:

the mythtv howto for advaced partitioning seems to favor JFS as the best fs for video storage

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** CyberKnet looks up what PR is a territory of **

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s34n:

Is that still the conventional wisdom?

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Beirdo:

xfs or jfs, yes

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Beirdo:

!trout CyberKnet patriotic

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** MythLogBot slaps CyberKnet with a patriotic trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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xris:

Speedy2: what state?

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Speedy2:

xris: CA

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gardengnome:

Speedy2: mead is tasty

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Speedy2:

I prefer sweet drinks, I have tried a 'lambic framboise' by Lindhman's...I like it quite a bit

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xris:

Speedy2: there are some good local ones out of the napa area.. just don't get Chaucer's Mead, it's kind of nasty (they use cheap clover honey and it leaves a bad taste)

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Speedy2:

xris: Ok, I'll keep that in mind

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xris:

Speedy2: british meads are good if you can't find local ones.

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xris:

if you can get it down there (it's local to me up in WA), Sky River is my favorite commercially produced one.

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s34n:

Beirdo: any preference between the two?

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Beirdo:

or drive up to WA...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

s34n, I use xfs

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Beirdo:

always have

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xris:

Ambrosia By Kristy is also good if you like it REALLY sweet (I don't like it that sweet)

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s34n:

Beirdo: XFS is more CPU intensive?

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Beirdo:

I dunno, they both will end up being about the same on a recent machine

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tkaine:

xris: We are neighbors

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Beirdo:

i.e. negligible

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xris:

tkaine: where abouts?

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tkaine:

xris: Seattle

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tkaine:

U-Dist

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** xris will also be in the bay area in mid august if anyone wants to get together **

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Beirdo:

if you need to worry about how much CPU your filesystem is using, you likely have to upgrade massively to use mythtv

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xris:

tkaine: I guess I need to organize another mythtv meetup and hope that more people than just me and kormoc show up

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tkaine:

xris: cool

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Beirdo:

have it at work

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xris:

are you of drinking age?

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Beirdo:

of legal drinking age one would assume he means

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tkaine:

xris: yep

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gardengnome:

there's quite a difference.. ;)

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CyberKnet:

heh

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CyberKnet:

indeed

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Beirdo:

there sure is, especially in the US :)

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xris:

true, my bad.. I just assume things here are all legal. :)

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gardengnome:

g'night guys, i'm off to bed

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Beirdo:

good idea

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Beirdo:

heh

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** Beirdo wonders where the wife is **

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xris:

Beirdo: working, because she actually has a job, unlike some lazy types... ;)

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Beirdo:

nah, she's off playing a game

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Beirdo:

and yeah, some of us are house-husbands :)

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Beirdo:

you should try it sometime, it's liberating

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xris:

that would leave us with a gross income of $0.

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Beirdo:

oh, that wouldn't do

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xris:

not until she publishes a few books

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tjcarter:

Hey guys, complete dumbass question here.. What's the nutshell procedure for upgrading from a framegrabber to a PVR card? ie, what should I not forget to do? =)

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Beirdo:

do you get the occasional baked goods?

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xris:

tjcarter: treat it like a new install is probably easiest

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xris:

though I guess you're not changing lineups... so just make sure the new card works, and change the cards over in mythtv-setup

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xris:

Beirdo: sometimes... she actually writes for 8 hours a day or so

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xris:

it's been too hot to bake lately, though.

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tjcarter:

anything I should do with prescheduled things to make sure they are encoded properly or something?

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Speedy2:

xris: Who me? Of legal age?

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tjcarter:

transcode settings altered?

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tjcarter:

that sort of thing? =)

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xris:

Speedy2: no, tkaine, so I know if I plan another meetup whether or not I can pick a bar.

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Speedy2:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah, been too hot here too, and our "new" stove didn't have the oven racks, we still need to pester the former owner for them

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Beirdo:

I want to bake though

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xris:

tjcarter: the profiles are named... so just make sure that Default, High, etc are set how you want them for the hardware encoder group

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tjcarter:

got it

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tjcarter:

actually, I think I found out that my transcode things were set to transcode from rtjpeg to rtjpeg

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tjcarter:

I'm gonna have SO much disk when I fix that and reprocess everything.

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tjcarter:

no laughing at me. ;)

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Dagmar:

You didn't notice the files were staying godawful large?

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tjcarter:

I did notice that =)

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tjcarter:

that was how I figured it out actually

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Dagmar:

OKay. Then this isn't something people should laugh about

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Dagmar:

No need to worry there

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Beirdo:

sure it is... <nelson> Ha Ha! </nelson>

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Beirdo:

I doubt any of us are completely clear of the occasional bonehead mistake :) No worries

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Speedy2:

Beirdo: Get a mixer if you want to bake.

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Speedy2:

They kick so much ass

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maquis:

hello all.

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Dagmar:

Nah, if he noticed the files weren't getting any smaller, then it's not boneheaded--it's just a normal misconfiguration

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Beirdo:

yah, none of the people that came to the wedding bought us the $300 mixer. :(

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maquis:

my tuner can see the channels when i have it search for channels, but when i go to actually watch, i just get static...

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LabMonkey:

ok so I'm trying to figure out how to cut commercials with mythtv using only my remote

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kormoc:

Beirdo, I have a good recipe for a banana tea bread if you'd like it

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Speedy2:

Beirdo: Around Christmas Amazon discounts them heavily.

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Speedy2:

Beirdo: Get the "Accolade Series" from Kitchenaid

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maquis:

i'm *really* new to all of this, so it's probably something stupid...

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Beirdo:

heh. maybe a bit later on, kormoc. No way to bake right now

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maquis:

but does anyone have any suggestins for where to look first?

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Beirdo:

although we get LOTS of of fresh bananas here

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LabMonkey:

any suggestions?

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Beirdo:

Speedy2, I want one in Cobalt Blue or Stainless Steel (to match everything else)

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Dagmar:

I'm about to report you to the heterosexual police

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RandomDude15:

whats a program I can use to burn AVI files to dvd?

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Dagmar:

...or I was until you said you wanted it in stainless steel.

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Beirdo:

report me to anyone you want. I like to cook, I like to bake, and my wife is happy :)

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Dagmar:

...but a $300 mixer... *$300*... Surely the thing is web controllable for that price

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Beirdo:

nah, that's what the "normal" price on the KitchenAid ones typically is

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Beirdo:

and yes, they kick ass

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** maquis wonders if this is #mythtv-users or #cooking... **

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xris:

Beirdo: my $500 mixer died last week

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maquis:

not that cooking is bad, of course

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Beirdo:

died?

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Dagmar:

Damn, $500?

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xris:

maquis: and #brewing

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RandomDude15:

how do I delete everything in the autoexpire list?

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Beirdo:

you mix concrete in it?

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maquis:

xris: ah...

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xris:

Beirdo: just a loaf of bread.

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Beirdo:

wow

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Speedy2:

Beirdo: I got the accolade for $150 at the Amazon sale

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maquis:

anyone have any suggestions for my problem?

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xris:

it's in for repair (warranty)

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Beirdo:

and sometimes #politics, but that gets really nasty so we try to avoid it

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xris:

RandomDude15: why bother?

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Beirdo:

maquis, sounds like the module for the tuner isn't in right

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Agrajag-:

RandomDude15: you can't. myth manages your disk space for you – you can lower the expiry time for live tv recordings, or you can make the free space setting higher if need be

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Beirdo:

or that you have it configured as the wrong card type in mythtv-setup

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RandomDude15:

because I left the tv on

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RandomDude15:

when I went to sleep

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RandomDude15:

and it had all these shows i didnt want

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RandomDude15:

and I removed the live tv files and they still show up.

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maquis:

Beirdo: i think i have it as the right card type... what do you mean about the module for the tuner? kernel module or something else?

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Beirdo:

please tell me you didn't leave it on the Playboy channel all night and now the SO is pissed?

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Agrajag-:

RandomDude15: why don't you just let mythtv manage it for you?

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Beirdo:

kernel module, yes

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Agrajag-:

RandomDude15: since they're in the live tv group, they shouldn't bother you anyway?

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xris:

RandomDude15: again, why bother?

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Beirdo:

I think it's time to go watch TV with the wifey

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Beirdo:

ciao

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maquis:

Beirdo: ok... i'll google a bit and see if there's a module that should be loaded and isn't... i thought that knoppmyth would handle it for the moderately popular cards, though (this is a hauppauge pvr-150)

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xris:

maquis: tuner type

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xris:

not all pvr-150's actually work

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maquis:

xris: how do i know if i've got one that doesn't work? and to what extent do some not work? i can scan channels and it can see which ones exist...

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maquis:

and it can get sound on one of them

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Agrajag-:

RandomDude15: you seem to be worried about your disk space – if you store other files on your recordings partition, you probably want to set the free space setting higher. otherwise just let myth manage it – it will expire recordings when disk space is needed or the expire time is up

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Agrajag-:

or perhaps it's not disk space you're worried about and Beirdo is right :P

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RandomDude15:

no.... I left it on disney channel on night and I don't want all those little kid shows. I only watch one show on that channel.

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RandomDude15:

*all

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xris:

maquis: then it *should* work.

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Agrajag-:

RandomDude15: mythtv will delete it for you in 1 day (by default)

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xris:

RandomDude15: mythweb, and delete one by one

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RandomDude15:

ok good.

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RandomDude15:

thanks. i dont want a bunch of little kid shows on my computer.

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maquis:

xris: ok... i'm going to check the setup of the cable box, i think

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Dagmar:

There's a thing in the setup menus I remember seeing in 0.19 that lets you tell it to exclude LiveTV items from the list of recordings

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Agrajag-:

RandomDude15: and since they're in the live tv group, they don't show up normally, so i dont really see a problem

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maquis:

perhaps i'm looking in the wrong place for the problem

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xris:

maquis: but you can check the tuner chipset manufacturer if you want to be sure.

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xris:

maquis: cable box?

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RandomDude15:

yeah your right they don't.

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xris:

maquis: how are you connected

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maquis:

xris: i connected the co-ax cable... and i'm starting to wonder if i need to connect something else as well

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RandomDude15:

hey does anyone in here happen to know the name of a program on linux that burns AVI files onto DVDs? Nero 7 does that on Windows for me.

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xris:

maquis: in the US? digital cable? high def?

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maquis:

xris: in the us. comcast

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xris:

maquis: the other questions, too

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xris:

firewire is WAY better than pvr150

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Dagmar:

RandomDude15: Then use Nero for Linux or Google.

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maquis:

pretty sure it's not high-def. probably digital?

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Agrajag-:

RandomDude15: do you just want avi files on the dvd or do you want proper dvd format?

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RandomDude15:

proper dvd foramt

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RandomDude15:

*format

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RandomDude15:

and I tried nero linux.

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Agrajag-:

i don't know if k3b does that.. i know k3b will rip a dvd into mpeg4, dont know about the other way around

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RandomDude15:

k3b doesn't do it. I tried.

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xris:

maquis: it's worth the $5–10/month upgrade to HD to test it for a month

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maquis:

xris: do i need HD?

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xris:

maquis: no, just the box

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maquis:

(and do i actually need to go through this box?

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xris:

all comcast digital cable is hd. you just have to rent a separate box

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maquis:

xris: we've got a box

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maquis:

maybe we are hd... i didn't sign up for it

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xris:

maquis: has to be an hd box

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xris:

what's the model on the box?

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Agrajag-:

RandomDude15: dunno if this actually works: http://sourceforge.net/projects/any2dvd/

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xris:

or better yet, does it have a firewire port on the back?

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maquis:

xris: ill look... it must be on the back

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maquis:

xris: let me check

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xris:

usually on the bottom, actually

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xris:

motorola dct 6200, it's silver

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xris:

or the pvr box, also silver

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podzap:

hey

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podzap:

tv_grab_fi doesn't work anymore

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xris:

podzap: then upgrade xmltv

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kormoc:

podzap, well, time to use all that money you spend on the program to good use and call tech support

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maquis:

xris: i don't see a firewire port... on the back it says it's "starfone model SFT2"

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RandomDude15:

Agrajag: I'll try that.

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podzap:

hehe, always a smartass response when you say something on irc

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xris:

maquis: then it's probably a standard box.

[01:12:40]

xris:

if you're just connected via the rf cable, you're only hooked into analog, anyway.

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maquis:

xris: ah... the bottom says DCT2244, and that seems to bring up some results on google

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podzap:

i was just wondering if it doesn't work for me, or if others had also noticed that it doesn't work...

[01:13:03]

Beirdo:

kormoc: another good reason to use Sh...

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xris:

I'd recommend that you pay the $10 to get an HD box for a month and test it out (assuming you're ok with continuing to pay for an HD box later).

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Beirdo:

it was written at my alma mater

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Beirdo:

;)

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xris:

maquis: yeah, that's the non-hd motorola box

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Beirdo:

as was Maple

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Beirdo:

heh

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kormoc:

Beirdo, hehe, nice :)

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Speedy2:

Waterloo?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Speedy2:

Canadian, eh?

[01:13:38]

Beirdo:

yup

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maquis:

xris: ah... ok... i'm actually going to be moving in like 2 weeks, so i can just wait til then to try it out

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xris:

maquis: until then, however, you might try connecting directly to the wall jack instead of going through the cable box. get a splitter.

[01:13:54]

maquis:

xris: oh... i'll try that

[01:14:02]

maquis:

i didn't know if that would work...

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Beirdo:

that's cool, I wonder which department in CS was responsible for that

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maquis:

xris: thanks for the advice

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maquis:

i appreciate it a ton :)

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Beirdo:

prof. McCool eh?

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Beirdo:

definitely CS, not Comp Eng faculty

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podzap:

xris: it appears that i am using the latest xmltv...

[01:17:06]

xris:

podzap: then you may be SOL until someone fixes it

[01:17:17]

podzap:

i'll try to fix it myself

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xris:

might check their svn/cvs, too

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Speedy2:

Beirdo: Did you do CE?

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Beirdo:

Electrical Eng. But Comp & Elec are the same department at UW

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Speedy2:

Cool. Another Hardware Guy :)

[01:20:31]

Beirdo:

heh, I did more software/embedded firmware though

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Speedy2:

What kinda stuff you do now?

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Beirdo:

I like understanding the hardware parts though

[01:20:51]

Beirdo:

unemployed

[01:20:52]

Beirdo:

:)

[01:21:02]

Beirdo:

house-husband while I wait for immigration paperwork

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Speedy2:

Where you moving to?

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Beirdo:

but UNIX admin or embedded firmware designer

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Beirdo:

Puerto Rico

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: hopefully that should come through soon now

[01:21:33]

Beirdo:

one would hope

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podzap:

i thought that people only wanted to leave puerto rico

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Beirdo:

you've obviously never lived in Toronto

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podzap:

heh, no

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Beirdo:

enough winters, and you'd gladly move to the Caribbean

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: I came into the states in january 00, and was working by april... and I didn't apply til february for the work permit

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Beirdo:

yeah, we shall see

[01:23:28]

Beirdo:

anyways, gotta read some fun noise reduction papers

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Beirdo:

anyone here understand wavelet transforms and Weiner or Kalman filters?

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Speedy2:

Yes on Kalman

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Beirdo:

I'm trying to find good walkthroughs to get it so I can wrap my brain around it all

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Beirdo:

I want to do denoising of video in the GPU

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tjcarter:

hmm, you know it would be really nice if either zap2it provided episode numbers or if myth knew how to cross reference with tv.com for that info (and maybe more)

[01:24:43]

Speedy2:

Probably best to write some code and examine it, that really helps

[01:25:19]

Beirdo:

after that, add more and more transcoding stuff as possible :)

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CyberKnet:

just look for high contrast pixel blocks and average them with their surrounding pixel blocks =P"

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CyberKnet:

heheh

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xris:

tjcarter: zap2it provides episode and series id numbers when it can.. and I think tv.com has some of that info

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Beirdo:

CyberKnet, that won't really give quality video :)

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tjcarter:

xris: tv.com has all of that info

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tjcarter:

xris: but it would be nice if myth sucked down that info from tv.com for the episodes

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Beirdo:

my goal is to offload much of the transcoding work that I do when using nuvexport into the GPU on the video card

[01:26:39]

Beirdo:

and also to support multiple GPUs and spread load...

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Speedy2:

Does the GPU offer enough precision?

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: It'll get rid of the noise... =P"

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xris:

tjcarter: episode/season numbers, you mean?

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tjcarter:

yes

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Beirdo:

32bit floating point (single precision)

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tjcarter:

and reviews, trivia, etc

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xris:

would be nice if tv.com HAD all of that info. they have no info for one of the shows I record.

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Beirdo:

not quite IEEE float, but nearly the same

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tjcarter:

oh, do I need to suck down listings for each input on the PVR-500?

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tjcarter:

xris: you can add it? =)

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Beirdo:

that should be enough precision to do the algorithms

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xris:

tjcarter: I might have if I could find any info on season/episode numbers.

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xris:

tjcarter: one video source (which should get renamed to listings source). attach that one source to each tuner.

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Beirdo:

Speedy2, got any URLs that point to decent resources to read?

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Speedy2:

Beirdo: Not off hand. I'll do a search in my archives and see if I had anything. I understood it enough to work with someone else's implementation, I've never done it from scratch myself. But you basically have a mathematical model for your system, and the system of least-squares is used to compute an error / correction term so you're continually refining the output to get it to go where you want

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Beirdo:

ah

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Beirdo:

well, I did previously find a research report from grad students, but it didn't have quite enough basic algoritmic details to catch everything they were doing

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Speedy2:

The key is you have a model for your system and the "LSQ" is used to optimize <--- this is the "statistics" part

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Beirdo:

yeah, I'll have to read it like 20 more times to get it

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Beirdo:

after all, I got my bachelor's 9 years ago, much of the math has filtered itself outta my brain

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CyberKnet:

out with the mead =P"

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Beirdo:

heh, yeah booze might get me back in student mode

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Beirdo:

meanwhile, I will continue my hunt

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Beirdo:

while half-watching some crappy show on TV

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CyberKnet:

just do a reverse discrete cosine transformation and subtract half the coefficent of the quantized value... that should work.

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CyberKnet:

And if it doesn't, reverse the polarity of the main deflector dish. That fixes everything.

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CyberKnet:

(Wesley told me so)

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Beirdo:

!trout CyberKnet dumbass

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** MythLogBot slaps CyberKnet with a dumbass trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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tjcarter:

Whelp, the upgrade almost worked =)

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tjcarter:

is it possible that the tuners are expecting the cable line plugged into the top connector instead of bottom as indicated in little paper (PVR-500)?

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tjcarter:

I get static on every channel currently

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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Dagmar:

The bottom connector?

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Dagmar:

You mean the one with the text "FM TUNER" engraved on the backplate right next to it?

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LabMonkey:

ok uhh

[02:00:36]

LabMonkey:

I've figured out how to cut out commercials with my remote

[02:00:45]

LabMonkey:

at least as far as setting cut points

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LabMonkey:

now how do I apply the cut points to the recording and permanently remove the cut sections?

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: The two coax ports _are_ marked

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: the scratchings on the card?

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tjcarter:

I can't read that shit, especially once the card's installed =)

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LabMonkey:

tjcarter: the end where the screw goes to hold the card in place... the first coax connector is FM, the next is cable tv

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: Get a flashlight ye blind bastage

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LabMonkey:

it's FM, TV, s-video, then the RCA jacks

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LabMonkey:

so, in short, the tv jack is the one closest to the s-video jack

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tjcarter:

yeah

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tjcarter:

I am getting nothing but static

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LabMonkey:

and it's working perfectly on my system

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tjcarter:

that doesn't help me much ;)

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LabMonkey:

anything in dmesg about ivtv?

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LabMonkey:

also what distro/kernel?

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tjcarter:

sure, it finds a pair of PVR-150's

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tjcarter:

KnoppMyth

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tjcarter:

2.6.15-chw2

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LabMonkey:

yeah, ivtv sees mine as a pair of 150s

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tjcarter:

hmm

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tjcarter:

tuner 1–0061: tuner type not set

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tjcarter:

tuner 1–0061: tuner type not set

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tjcarter:

ivtv1: Initialized WinTV PVR 500 (unit #2), card #1

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LabMonkey:

ah hah

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tjcarter:

that possibly it?

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tjcarter:

it identified the model of my tuners though above that--both of them

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tjcarter:

oh, where's a good pastebin?

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tjcarter:

wating for a URL

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Beirdo:

pastebin.ca is often better

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LabMonkey:

http://pastebin.ca/101688

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LabMonkey:

is mine

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LabMonkey:

thanks Beirdo

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Beirdo:

not a problem :)

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tjcarter:

http://pastebin.ca/101690 is mine

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tjcarter:

any idea what's happening there?

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LabMonkey:

only difference I see is that you're using ivtv-0.4.3 and I'm using ivtv-0.6.3

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tjcarter:

I get the tuner not working message though

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tjcarter:

maybe the firmware KnoppMyth uses is not right? Or is that unlikely, given that KnoppMyth detected the card?

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LabMonkey:

given that it sees the card, I'd guess it's not the firmware

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LabMonkey:

but I'm not tuner guru

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tjcarter:

a Gentoo thing says to check for disabled IRQs

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tjcarter:

and I have those, but I also have only one PCI slot, so ...

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tjcarter:

it doesn't really say what to look for

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LabMonkey:

is that slot shared with a bunch of onboard devices?

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LabMonkey:

IRQ-wise I mean

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tjcarter:

it shouldn't be--there's only one freakin' PCI slot!

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tjcarter:

and um, the framegrabber worked fine

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tjcarter:

this machine is being upgraded, not freshly installed

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LabMonkey:

oh, so with the framegrabber you can see tv?

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LabMonkey:

what all are you upgrading?

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LabMonkey:

the tuner part of the upgrade?

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tjcarter:

"Note: For some PVR-150s (NTSC), add options ivtv tuner=50 to receive channels above 60 For newer PVR-500s with a Samsung tuner, add options ivtv tuner=68,68 (or tuner=70,70) to receive channels above 60. this tuner is supported in ivtv versions 4.2 and above."

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podzap:

cool, i fixed tv_grab_fi

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tjcarter:

LabMonkey: the upgrade was from framegrabber to PVR-500 MCE

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LabMonkey:

ok have you re-run mythtv-setup?

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tjcarter:

yes

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tjcarter:

I think I may need to specify my tuners manually

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LabMonkey:

hmm

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scales:

ok guys, question time once again. sorry but this is not directly related to mythtv, but i cannot get help in the fedora irc, and internet is not helping. here goes...... i re-installed windows onto my second partition, so i have both linux and windows installed. problem is typical, i lost grub. so i have tried to re-install it, by booting off the disc, then typing grub-install /dev/hda, but it says block does not e

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LabMonkey:

can I make a user job to load my cutlist and delete the commercials?

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tjcarter:

I'm not sure I understand the ivtv output

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tjcarter:

xris: do you grok ivtv output? =)

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LabMonkey:

do I need to restart mythfrontend to get the network remote control to work?

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LabMonkey:

I've enabled it in setup but I get connection refused when trying to connect

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xris:

tjcarter: not really

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tjcarter:

xris: would you mind looking anyway? I'm getting all static

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xris:

tjcarter: I wouldn't know a thing about it

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tjcarter:

doh. I'm just not sure if this thing sees my tuners or not

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LabMonkey:

tjcarter: my money is on mythtv-setup... I'm betting it isn't set to record from the new tuners

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tjcarter:

yeah it is

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LabMonkey:

then look at your recording profiles

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tjcarter:

oh, fuck.

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LabMonkey:

are they set to record from the right inputs?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hi xris...

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tjcarter:

they're probably still set to rtjpeg. =p

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LabMonkey:

bingo

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LabMonkey:

xris: any idea on my network remote question?

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tjcarter:

wait, wouldn't it just um .. reencode to rtjpeg?

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LabMonkey:

no

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tjcarter:

it knows the card is mpeg2

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LabMonkey:

but if your profiles (including livetv) are set to rtjpeg I assume they'd try to software-encode a hardware-encoded stream

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LabMonkey:

or something

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LabMonkey:

or just not get the mpeg stream from the card in the first place

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tjcarter:

no, it fixed that for me

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GreyFoxx:

the recording profiles codec settings are only used with software cards

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GreyFoxx:

pvr cards and dvb cards are left as they come in

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: How's mw coming?

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: do you happen to see some reason why my tuners aren't in the above output?

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: http://pastebin.ca/101690 I am wondering if I need tuner=68,68 or something, but I'm not even getting like channel 2

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podzap:

hey, what's that german company that makes the hauppauge dvb cards?

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GreyFoxx:

uhhmmm

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GreyFoxx:

"Hauupauge"

[03:28:16]

podzap:

wrong

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podzap:

they don't make them

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** tjcarter swears at this thing **

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh, you are looking for some OEM manufacturor ?

[03:28:53]

podzap:

yeah, they sell them directly for 99 euros

[03:28:58]

podzap:

i just can't remember their name

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GreyFoxx:

no clue :)

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podzap:

technotrend.de

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podzap:

they are the manufacturer of the wintv-nexus

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tjcarter:

=(

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podzap:

check out shop.technotrend.de

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podzap:

TT-premium C-2300

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** tjcarter still cannot get anything but static =( **

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tjcarter:

on either tuner--I tried.

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tjcarter:

c'mon there has to be someone around here with a PVR-500 with Samsung tuners

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Dagmar:

You got the PVR-500 in?

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tjcarter:

there is nothing relevant I've found with Google thus far either

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tjcarter:

yes =(

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Dagmar:

Damn

[03:50:33]

tjcarter:

so far it is totally 100% not working.

[03:50:39]

Dagmar:

I picked a great night to leave my Myth box dead in the water.

[03:50:49]

tjcarter:

would you mind looking at my ivtv output?

[03:51:03]

Dagmar:

Okay, I've got a lot of bullshit paperwork to do here at the office, but in about 20–30 minutes or so if you still haven't sorted it I'll be able to help.

[03:51:05]

tjcarter:

I'm hoping that there's at least something in it that might suggest the problem

[03:51:13]

tjcarter:

I've been at it for hours

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tjcarter:

it says it detects Samsung and Philips and nothing and ...

[03:51:28]

** tjcarter confused. **

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Dagmar:

It won't take more than about 20 minutes to figure out if you're dead in the water or have it working. No need to panick yet.

[03:54:26]

Aid1:

gl m8

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** tjcarter might need it =/ **

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Dagmar:

God I hate paperwork

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Dagmar:

Okay. What's coming out of the syslog when you modprobe ivtv?

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tjcarter:

dmesg has this ... http://pastebin.ca/101690

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Dagmar:

Which version of ivtv?

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tjcarter:

0.4.3

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tjcarter:

Standard KnoppMyth

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Dagmar:

There's your problem.

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tjcarter:

don't tell me that! =)

[04:18:28]

tjcarter:

the last time I tried to upgrade KnoppMyth I totally hosed everything.

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Dagmar:

Well, first off, with 2.6.15 as your kernel, you should probably go ahead and use 0.4.6, since it's markedly newer than what you're using.

[04:18:47]

Dagmar:

Upgrading is truly trivial.

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tjcarter:

okay

[04:19:03]

Dagmar:

You've got two options.

[04:19:18]

Dagmar:

One is to go full monty and do both the kernel and ivtv, or just ivtv

[04:19:39]

Dagmar:

If you upgrade the kernel as well, 2.6.17.7 should be used with ivtv 0.7.0

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tjcarter:

I think I'd prefer to hold that off until I KNOW the card works and upgrade the whole system to Ubuntu

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Dagmar:

...but I'd say let's start with merely upgrading ivtv to 0.4.6

[04:20:53]

Dagmar:

Grab http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/archive/0.4.x/ivtv-0.4.6.tar.gz, untar it into /usr/src, and then it's pretty straightforward beyond that point

[04:21:35]

Dagmar:

You just run `make install && depmod` and then reboot

[04:21:50]

Dagmar:

Once you've done that we'll take another look at what's coming out of syslog

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tjcarter:

I was halfway done with that already actually =)

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tjcarter:

still static on video1, didn't check video0 (video0 is not seen by mythtv after my last attempt to try and see if the problem was one tuner or both)

[04:27:55]

Dagmar:

Not gonna matter until we see something sane coming out of ivtv

[04:28:10]

Dagmar:

Does your KNoppmyth install even have syslogd running?

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tjcarter:

http://pastebin.ca/101762

[04:29:52]

tjcarter:

sure, but it autoprobes shit, so the relevant stuff should be in dmesg (and is)

[04:30:33]

tjcarter:

it lacks basic tools like screen and vim, that's for sure.

[04:31:12]

Dagmar:

You didn't stick things in /etc/modprobe.conf did you?

[04:31:12]

tjcarter:

I have a few of these scattered about:

[04:31:13]

tjcarter:

Jul 26 22:26:00 saito kernel: tuner 1–0061: tuner type not set

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tjcarter:

nope

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Dagmar:

That's kinda crazy

[04:31:30]

tjcarter:

knoppmyth manages that

[04:31:35]

Dagmar:

The output is "mostly" correct

[04:31:42]

tjcarter:

mostly? =)

[04:32:25]

tjcarter:

There are a few includes for things KnoppMyth may have not done right

[04:32:51]

Dagmar:

Yes, as in the first card isn't being detected correctly, and the second one is being detected differently and only half correctly.

[04:33:10]

thecaffiend:

so, I've had a mythbox for a while, knoppmyth, and when I originaly checked, it was a sort ofknown issue that during DVD playback, my USB based remote would not work.. any fixes for this?

[04:33:12]

Dagmar:

Nuke anything related to ivtv that's in /etc/modprobe.conf, and then run depmod

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tjcarter:

should I grab mpeg off first card to see if it works now?

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Dagmar:

THen rmmod the ivtv stuff and reload it

[04:33:39]

Dagmar:

THe fact that it's appearing to see FM radio tuners on *both* tuners is not good.

[04:33:49]

Dagmar:

ONly the first one is going to have an FM radio

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tjcarter:

let me paste what ivtv stuff is included from /etc/mythtv to pastebin

[04:35:38]

tjcarter:

http://pastebin.ca/101779

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tjcarter:

is there anything in that which would cause screwiness?

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Dagmar:

Uncomment the "options ivtv debug=1" line and depmod it again. It'll help

[04:36:39]

Dagmar:

Everything else in there should be fine

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Dagmar:

Oh wait, comment that piece of crap line 16 out

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Dagmar:

"install ivtv" and so forth

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Dagmar:

It is *not* technically needed and may be what's fucking things up

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tjcarter:

remove as well?

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Dagmar:

Just comment it out for now

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Dagmar:

THe char-major declarations are all just fine

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tjcarter:

gotit

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tjcarter:

should I reboot to get a clean slate or just start rmmoding crap? =)

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** tjcarter just reboot, can't hurt **

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tjcarter:

ah, I forgot to update-modules

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Dagmar:

Eek

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Dagmar:

Let's hope that doesn't do anything destructive

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tjcarter:

nah

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tjcarter:

I just init=/bin/sh'd and did it from there

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tjcarter:

when I get this done, I swear I'm moving / to a CF card

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Dagmar:

back in about 15 minutes — got an errand to attend to

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tjcarter:

http://pastebin.ca/101782

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tjcarter:

okie

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tjcarter:

looks identical to me

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tjcarter:

hmm, is there a way to tell myth to suspend all recordings for now?

[04:50:07]

tjcarter:

that way I don't end up with 50,000 partial program recordings of just static? =)

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: you happen to be back yet? I have discovered that KnoppMyth's firmware is not the same one I have.

[05:05:04]

Dagmar:

Back

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Dagmar:

Yeah, the wrong firmware could definitely be a problem

[05:05:37]

Dagmar:

One of the firmwares comes with the ivtv package. That one is definitely correct.

[05:06:18]

Dagmar:

OO!

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Dagmar:

Can you paste the entirety of lsmod's output to pastebin?

[05:06:56]

Dagmar:

I remember having a problem initially with the wrong freaking driver being loaded for part of the stuff

[05:07:18]

Dagmar:

I had to disable (as in delete) certain *kernel* modules in order for the right ones from ivtv to load

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Dagmar:

BTW< if you're looking at http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware one of the md5sums at the bottom of that page is dead wrong

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: I'm looking at what KnoppMyth has in /lib/modules (nothing in /lib/firmware at all) and what comes on my 500's CD

[05:12:47]

tjcarter:

there are 4 roms on the CD

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tjcarter:

er, 3

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tjcarter:

5f5fa240ada73c3565f5f7de4c7b5138 HcwFalcn.rom

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tjcarter:

3a4803384f749d644ee1f1ca9dcb12fa HcwMakoB.ROM

[05:13:36]

tjcarter:

99836e41ccb28c7b373e87686f93712a HcwMakoC.ROM

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tjcarter:

KnoppMyth has:

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tjcarter:

305dba74bbe5905447add8883f3ecb68 /lib/modules/ivtv-fw-dec.bin

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tjcarter:

ab75947ef1b086e26f9b08e628baa02e /lib/modules/ivtv-fw-enc.bin

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Dagmar:

Okay. You need to rename some of those actually.

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tjcarter:

yeah

[05:15:20]

tjcarter:

and copy them over

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Dagmar:

http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware

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tjcarter:

they belong in /etc/firmware

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Dagmar:

Gimme just a se

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Dagmar:

c

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tjcarter:

and the existing things need to be moved/deleted

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Dagmar:

The one that looks like "0661f8b2693fe3123e6234557353eacc v4l-cx2341x-init.mpg

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tjcarter:

er, /lib/firmware

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Dagmar:

Is the one that comes with ivtv 0.4.6. This one is definitely useable as-is

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tjcarter:

mpg?

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tjcarter:

shouldn't be .fw ?

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Dagmar:

Nevermind. It's not needed for our card

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Dagmar:

I'm having to work backwards for a lot of this because I cna't get at my ivtv box

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Dagmar:

Grab http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/firmware.tar.gz and just dump it's contents into /lib/firmware for starters

[05:19:29]

Dagmar:

It's definitely what I'm using on mine (unless they've changed it significantly in the last few days)

[05:19:39]

Dagmar:

...and you shouldn't have to rename any of it.

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Dagmar:

The relevant pieces should match the md5sums for what's on your DC

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Dagmar:

er CD

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tjcarter:

should I not use the one I have from CD after renaming them?

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Dagmar:

They should match already

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Dagmar:

d85cb08382395390dc95ac6ebc2205f9 is the encoder part

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Dagmar:

Interesting. THat's *not* matching what's on your CD

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tjcarter:

well, let's see what it does first =)

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tjcarter:

it can't fark things up more than they already are can it?

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Dagmar:

Actually, whatever is on that CD is probably what's boning you

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Dagmar:

UNless theyv'e a radically newer model than the one I have

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Dagmar:

Damn

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Dagmar:

Three nights ago I could log in anonymously to Hauppage's support site

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tjcarter:

http://pastebin.ca/101813

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tjcarter:

still looks very same

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tjcarter:

did you see my above question about suspending all recordings for now?

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I just kill the backend usually

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tjcarter:

still static on video1

[05:27:44]

tjcarter:

video0 is still not configured

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tjcarter:

time to maybe upgrade firmwares?

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Dagmar:

makoC with md5sum 99836e41ccb28c7b373e87686f93712a should be named v4l-cx25840.fw

[05:28:07]

Dagmar:

Let's vet these one at a time

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Dagmar:

...since there's only two we need to worry about

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Dagmar:

Is that what you have for v4l-cx25840.fw?

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tjcarter:

that's my MakoC yes

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Dagmar:

OKay. Is your encoder 5f5fa240ada73c3565f5f7de4c7b5138 ? Should be named v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw and appear on the CD as HcwFalcn.ROM

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Dagmar:

I see it's on the CD as HcwFalcn.rom anyway

[05:31:07]

Dagmar:

v4l-cx2341x-dec.fw doesn't even matter because we don't have a PVR-350.

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tjcarter:

but -enc does

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Dagmar:

eh?

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Dagmar:

Oh.

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tjcarter:

mine is 5f5fa240ada73c3565f5f7de4c7b5138 HcwFalcn.rom

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tjcarter:

rebooting with CD firmware in the hope that it does something

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tjcarter:

can't say I have a whole lot of hope for this.

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Dagmar:

Okay, if that's named v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw in /lib/firmware we can rule out firmware issues as the cause

[05:34:29]

Dagmar:

It could be either the one ending in 5138 or the zero-padded one with d85cb08382395390dc95ac6ebc2205f9

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Dagmar:

I think I'm just going to make a freaking package of the firmwares

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tjcarter:

okay, checking it

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tjcarter:

still static, I think we can rule out firmware

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Dagmar:

Excellent

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tjcarter:

time to start forcing tuners? =)

[05:39:15]

Dagmar:

Not yet

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Dagmar:

There's still the issue of tangled up bt modules

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tjcarter:

oh, you want a lsmod

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Dagmar:

That had my stuff hideously broken, when I started with 2.6.15 (hah)

[05:39:49]

Dagmar:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

If I'm looking at it I will hopeuflly be able to remember which files screwed me up, and then we can find/grgep for them in /lib/modules

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Dagmar:

...but with fewer gratuitous r's

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Dagmar:

By the way, before you wind up going down that road, the latest release Hauppage has is at http://hauppauge.lightpath.net/software/mce/mce_cd_31e.zip which came out June 26th and definitely has the same firmwares that we're working with

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tjcarter:

http://pastebin.ca/101822

[05:43:25]

Dagmar:

Hell

[05:43:27]

Dagmar:

Yep.

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Dagmar:

Dude, all the bttv stuff is still loading.

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Dagmar:

Murder it or upgrade your kernel.

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Dagmar:

Lemme find the directory

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** tjcarter wonders what all patches are applied to 2.6.15-chw-2 **

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** tjcarter wonders if he needs to care. **

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tjcarter:

2.6.17 is sounding like a plan here

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Dagmar:

In /lib/modules/blah-x.x.x/kernel/drivers/media/video are your culprits

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Dagmar:

You know how to recycle an old config, right?

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tjcarter:

yes

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Dagmar:

I was hesitant to tell you to upgrade to 2.6.17.7 because my box is doing a spontaneous reboot thing, but I'm pretty sure by now that's the power supply screwing up

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Dagmar:

No way should my 5V rails ever get a whole volt off the mark and they've been doing that this week

[05:47:16]

Dagmar:

You're going to get a LOT of orphans from oldconfig

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Dagmar:

...so you'll defintiely want to go into the menuconfig to check a few things before you build

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tjcarter:

yeah no kidding

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Dagmar:

Under Device Drivers->Multimedia Devices->Video Capture Adapters you can leave pretty much everything empty, but below that in Encoders and Decoders you can just turn on everything as modules, and use ivtv-0.7.0

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Dagmar:

There should be no conflict

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tjcarter:

hangon, I no longer have uni LAN ;)

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Dagmar:

My delays in this are me meticulously going through menuconfig on 2.6.17.7

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Dagmar:

I meant it when I said there'd be a lof of orphans

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Dagmar:

A bunch of stuff moved around even between 2.6.17.6 and 2.6.17.7

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tjcarter:

wth is relayfs ? =)

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tjcarter:

wow, ubuntu has sure spoiled me. =)

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Dagmar:

Yeah, there's a LOT of orphans

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Dagmar:

You won't need relayfs as far as I know

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** tjcarter would LIKE to support large single files! **

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tjcarter:

that'd be one hell of a live tv buffer!

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Dagmar:

We *so* need a certifiable remote-assistance client

[06:00:36]

Dagmar:

I _knew_ there was something familiar looking about the way the ivtv driver was misbehaving

[06:00:55]

Dagmar:

I don't even know what initially made me check to see if there was a module collision

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: do I want SPI support?

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tjcarter:

it sounds like something ivtv might want, but I wouldn't swear to that

[06:04:42]

Dagmar:

What section is that in?

[06:04:53]

Dagmar:

Isn't that a networking option?

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tjcarter:

SPI support (SPI) [N/y/?] (NEW) ?

[06:04:59]

tjcarter:

nah

[06:05:07]

tjcarter:

it's a main subsystem based on oldconfig

[06:05:26]

tjcarter:

doesn't sound like it includes i2c

[06:05:32]

Dagmar:

Hit enter or ? for now

[06:05:43]

Dagmar:

I am pretty sure I didn't enable it on mine

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tjcarter:

oh, I've been disabling lm-sensors by not saying m to lots of 1wire things

[06:06:38]

tjcarter:

bfd, I am not using lm-sensors =)

[06:07:05]

tjcarter:

any benefit for v4l1 enablings?

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Dagmar:

None

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Dagmar:

The 1wire stuff is for hardware made by a company with the name 1wire. It's not going to break lm_sensors

[06:08:01]

Dagmar:

Hell, like 95% of the boards out there only have the one Winbond chip on them anyway

[06:08:16]

tjcarter:

maybe I want advanced debug? =)

[06:08:27]

tjcarter:

(v4l)

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tjcarter:

nah probably not going to help me

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Dagmar:

Look at what you just said and think about how many times the phrase "advanced debug" appears

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Dagmar:

Yoou can ignore the v4l stuff.

[06:09:04]

Dagmar:

For this first pass through oldconfig, unless you see something and KNOW you need it, just hit enter

[06:09:23]

Dagmar:

THere's stuff you WILL want to turn on in a minute, but we'll do that through menuconfig

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tjcarter:

ooh!

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tjcarter:

new kernel supports my Firefly remote =)

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Dagmar:

Holy crap the latest X-chat supports spell-checking in the text input widget using libsexy

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tjcarter:

whole crapload of orphans

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Dagmar:

Yeah they rearranged the netfilter stuff pretty 'core

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tjcarter:

they need to divide Linux into a core set of modules and another set wtf-uses-this-2.6.17.7.tar.bz2

[06:22:39]

tjcarter:

(with apologies to Espy)

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Dagmar:

heheh

[06:25:25]

tjcarter:

sweet crap, everyone should just learn latin1 English, it'd cut down kernel compile times ;)

[06:26:15]

Dagmar:

hehe

[06:27:32]

** tjcarter may have to flip coin when his next hardware upgrade happens and he moves the Myth box to it running Ubuntu **

[06:27:38]

tjcarter:

xfs or jfs for /myth

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Dagmar:

Slap 'em both in as modules

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Dagmar:

One deletes much faster than the other

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tjcarter:

by much you mean fractions of a blink, and much faster than ext3

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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tjcarter:

both are much faster than ext3

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but one of them deletes say, 4Gb files in under 2 seconds.

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tjcarter:

iirc they both do

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tjcarter:

fixed time to delete a file

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Dagmar:

I'm using one of them for my /space partitions, but I can't rememeber which one it was

[06:30:08]

Dagmar:

I use reiserfs for just about everything else

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tjcarter:

heh, reiser + myth == no

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tjcarter:

way too much overhead.

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Dagmar:

For / and /usr, no

[06:31:03]

tjcarter:

no, I meant the 2gb files

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tjcarter:

I think reiser gets too much grief from people because of bugs in the early code and the maintainer's personality ;)

[06:32:49]

tjcarter:

It's like grief given to DJB.. DJB's designs do have logical advantages to them, but because he's a total ass people look for the smallest flaw to declare everything he does totally useless.

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Dagmar:

You forget that he also defends the "superiority" of his code even long after it's become obsolete

[06:33:49]

Dagmar:

...and it's mainly just that he's a complete asshole that causes problems.

[06:34:09]

Dagmar:

He has a fast-fourier transform library that was at one point the fastest thing ever.

[06:34:20]

Dagmar:

How it compiled is a perfect example of asshattery.

[06:34:56]

Dagmar:

Rather than use GNU tools, he wrote his own damn make, citing the normal makefile system as being defective. THe first thing the build does is compile his crazy-ass version of make

[06:36:26]

Dagmar:

It's also not helping that when he's asked about one of his projects, he doesn't answer the question immediately. He usually starts by referring to some other project that might be similiar in function in the most derogatory way possible

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Dagmar:

Ask him about DJBDNS and the first thing he says is "Bind is bloated and hideous" for example.

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Dagmar:

A shrink would already be writing in their notepad after hearing an exchange like that

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Speedy2:

There was a funny thing posted in slashdot, let me see if I can find it

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Speedy2:

(on the subject of djb)

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Dagmar:

If he really felt the way he says when citing reasons for the crazy zone file format it uses, he'd probably have converted it to XML by now

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tjcarter:

oh sweet crap, what is in this kernel, the source code for dubya's missle defense system?

[06:44:21]

tjcarter:

I remember when my PENTIUM ONE compiled a kernel in 10 minutes ;)

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** tjcarter is just bitching now =) **

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tjcarter:

like who uses MCA anymore?

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tjcarter:

There doesn't exist a Linux-supported machine with even a Pentium that's MCA.

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** tjcarter waits for this to finish so he can compile ivtv **

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Dagmar:

Man you'd be amazed what equipment some people just won't let go of

[06:47:21]

tjcarter:

Yeah, but we're talking MCA here

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tjcarter:

we can at least tell people to use 2.4 for MCA hardware can't we?

[06:48:08]

tjcarter:

seriously, you can't get a Microchannel Ethernet card for blood or money

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tjcarter:

And you can't give away Microchannel token rings with blood or money ;)

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Speedy2:

Why not disable support for what you don't have?

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tjcarter:

oh, trying to avoid breaking KnoppMyth, and utf8 is not always utf8, which breaks menuconfig for me

[06:49:33]

** tjcarter is configuring remotely here **

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Dagmar:

The people who haven't gotten rid of their MCA stuff are still using it because they're stuck

[06:50:06]

Dagmar:

They dont' have the budget for replacing the hardware, because their budget for repairing it is gobbling all the IT money

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: you can get non-MCA hardware for free in like Zinbabwe or so

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tjcarter:

hehe

[06:50:26]

tjcarter:

ESDI hard discs

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Dagmar:

Hey man, I was at the DMV yesterday getting a replacement title on my other car

[06:50:42]

Dagmar:

They're still using the same everything that they were using 10 years ago when I was there fixing it for them.

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tjcarter:

haha

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Dagmar:

This includes 9-pin Okidata ribbon printers

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tjcarter:

HAHAHA

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tjcarter:

wow

[06:51:13]

tjcarter:

could be worse, they could be using chain printers

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Dagmar:

There's two of those in the Rachel Jackson building, but they're not little ones

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opello:

heh i have an okidata dot matrix printer

[06:51:50]

Dagmar:

If you stick your hands near the paper exit you could lose some fingers

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opello:

for my commodore c64

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tjcarter:

I had a Star printer at work.. I told the story recently of how we got the boss to let us replace it.

[06:52:14]

tjcarter:

it was an old 25 pin serial thing

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tjcarter:

9 pin dot matrix with not-even-close-to-letter-quality

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Dagmar:

Bill it as "replaced defective chassis, system board, case"

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Dagmar:

I used to fix those, I know what kind you're talking about

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tjcarter:

"The printer's jammed" "Shit. Again?" .... this story somewhere along the line involves us going up to the roof since we had access because of the sat com gear..

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tjcarter:

... we tossed the printer off the roof of the 6 story building.

[06:54:20]

tjcarter:

it BROKE THE SIDEWALK.

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tjcarter:

by tossed, we mean hurled downward.

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Dagmar:

That would be the metal carriage chassis

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tjcarter:

the plastic shattered and went everywhere.

[06:55:01]

tjcarter:

the printer still worked, and was no longer jammed.

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Dagmar:

Sweet

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Speedy2:

christ.

[06:56:59]

Speedy2:

They don't build them like that anymore

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tjcarter:

Boss walked in (he owned the building).. "Something put a fucking crater in our sidewalk!" "Really? When?" "Oh no, YOU TWO are responsible for this, aren't you?" "What?" "I'm not going to even ask." "Um, okay... By the way, that piece of shit printer jammed again. We took it apart to try and fix it, but um..."

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tjcarter:

"You didn't. You fu---ALL RIGHT, YOU CAN BUY A NEW PRINTER."

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Dagmar:

"Kinetic impact realignment procedure"

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tjcarter:

We kept straight faces the whole time.

[06:58:14]

tjcarter:

Honestly =D

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tjcarter:

he just assumed the worst

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** tjcarter cannot imagine why... **

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Dagmar:

You didn't have him properly broken in yet.

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Dagmar:

When I was a tech, my bosses never questioned my judgement.

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tjcarter:

he wasn't a suit

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tjcarter:

he was just not getting as much business as he wanted at the time

[07:02:37]

tjcarter:

he installed the afore-mentioned dish and equipment himself.

[07:02:41]

Dagmar:

I should make that clearer.

[07:02:46]

Dagmar:

My bosses did not ask me questions.

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tjcarter:

lol

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Dagmar:

They learned quick they should think about whether they really wanted to know the answer.

[07:04:11]

Dagmar:

Exchanges like "How did you get those cards into that case?" responded to with "I put the repair bench on top of the case to squeeze it"

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tjcarter:

I would have just responded "with a hammer."

[07:04:59]

Dagmar:

"Where did you get the new ribbon?" "What new ribbon?" "The one in the printer." "It's the same one. It's just been re-inked." "Re-inked with what?" "Lighter fluid and ink."

[07:05:17]

tjcarter:

because we did actually use a rubber mallet sometimes when seating S-100 cards.

[07:05:45]

Dagmar:

No, I needed an even but still forceful weight so I lifted up the repair bench, put one end on a footstool, and then slowly lowered the other end atop the case to square it up

[07:05:53]

Dagmar:

It was a 200+ lb bench

[07:06:00]

Dagmar:

It did a pretty good job

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tjcarter:

okay

[07:06:21]

tjcarter:

"How did you get those cards into that case?" "Bench-pressed them."

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Dagmar:

My boss didn't ask if the lighter fluid and ink trick would be flammable, he knew better. The accountant asked, tho. ;)

[07:07:24]

Dagmar:

They only stay flammable for the first few days

[07:07:49]

Dagmar:

Once the lighter fluid evaporates out the ink is usually quite evently distributed

[07:08:19]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: storage of cold ones under forced-air raised flooring?

[07:08:34]

Dagmar:

Not cold enough

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tjcarter:

you didn't have our forced air system.

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tjcarter:

=)

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Dagmar:

If your cold air system was working at 38F you were just begging for condensation to occur

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tjcarter:

okay it wasn't quite that cold.

[07:09:30]

Dagmar:

...but then I'm picky. I like my drinks at the "ideal" cold temp

[07:09:49]

tjcarter:

we did have dehumidifiers in there though

[07:10:02]

Dagmar:

Of course.

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: you still around?

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tjcarter:

ivtv 0.7 fails to compile

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: Pastebin the last bit of it. I bet I already know the reason but I want to be sure.

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tjcarter:

http://pastebin.ca/101935

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: think I forgot something in kernel?

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Dagmar:

Very likely.

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Dagmar:

This isn't what I thought it was likely to be, but it's just likely that you didn't build v4l2 support into the kernel

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Dagmar:

or as a module

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tjcarter:

I am seeing lots of stuff as modules for Conexant stuff =)

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** tjcarter re-enables v4l1 API just in case **

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Dagmar:

Go into Device Drivers->Multimedia Devices->Video Capture Adapters->Encoders and Decoders and turn all that on as modulese

[07:36:18]

Dagmar:

It doesn't use v4l1 so I can assure you that's not the deal

[07:36:30]

Dagmar:

OH

[07:36:36]

Dagmar:

You just upgraded to 2.6.17.7, right?

[07:37:03]

Dagmar:

"make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.15-chw-2'" <-- warning sign

[07:37:18]

Dagmar:

How are you building ivtv?

[07:37:29]

Dagmar:

Yoou don't want to apply it to your kernel source, you just run make

[07:38:35]

Dagmar:

just untar ivtv-0.7.0 into /usr/src or someplace NOT in the kernel source tree

[07:39:05]

tjcarter:

I did just run make

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Dagmar:

In what directory?>

[07:39:20]

tjcarter:

I'm not yet running 2.6.17.7

[07:39:26]

tjcarter:

but it is /usr/src/linux

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tjcarter:

/usr/src/ivtv-0.7.0 or so

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Dagmar:

Reboot man

[07:40:22]

Dagmar:

I think it's calling uname at some point or something. Lemme check that

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tjcarter:

oh, that could be a factor =)

[07:41:17]

Dagmar:

Okay, yeah, it's not calling uname directly, but the effect is the same

[07:41:26]

Dagmar:

You need to be running the 2.6.17.7 kernel when you build it

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tjcarter:

okay

[07:41:51]

tjcarter:

crap, I just started another compile of the kernel, stripped of most of the crap I had before

[07:42:02]

Dagmar:

Ah well, you've got time.

[07:42:05]

Dagmar:

eheh

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tjcarter:

yeah it's still going

[08:03:50]

tjcarter:

making ko stuff

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tjcarter:

there we are

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: still around by chance?

[08:23:51]

Dagmar:

Yep

[08:24:04]

Dagmar:

When I'm around, I'll usually be around until 7am CST or so

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tjcarter:

okay, I just installed ivtv 0.7 and the current NV driver (since old doesn't work with 2.6.17.7)

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** tjcarter grabs ivtv output **

[08:28:08]

tjcarter:

http://pastebin.ca/102046 <--- definitely looks different

[08:29:15]

tjcarter:

no maybe not--it sees the philips tuner on both interfaces still

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Dagmar:

It'll work now

[08:30:04]

Dagmar:

There's a key difference in the output now from what you were seeing before.

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tjcarter:

oh?

[08:30:38]

tjcarter:

it does BTW =)

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Dagmar:

I'm a little concerned about it thinking there's an FM tuner on both units, but it's close enough

[08:30:54]

tjcarter:

maybe it's connected to both?

[08:31:00]

Dagmar:

Yeah, note the missing "client=unset" or whatever it was

[08:31:01]

tjcarter:

so either can tune radio?

[08:31:10]

Dagmar:

THey might have done that with your model

[08:31:15]

tjcarter:

the thing where it said it didn't know what the tuner is

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Dagmar:

At some point we should take a very close look at what the hardware IDs are and see if we can spot something to report to the IVTV folks

[08:32:16]

Dagmar:

The issue with using the radio tuner right now is that when you're using it, MythTV currently doesn't realize you're actually *using* that tuner, so it misbehaves if it tries to record on tuner 1

[08:32:44]

Dagmar:

You can't use the radio tuner separately from the TV tuner at the moment (or at all, actually)

[08:33:30]

Dagmar:

VHF broadcasts send audio over an FM signal pretty much entirely the same way radio does, and that's why it's pretty easy for them to just stick a radio tuner feature in there

[08:33:40]

Dagmar:

...and I'm glad to see you've got it working.

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Dagmar:

I figure it'll take you maybe two days to start seeing why we love these PVR cards so much

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Dagmar:

Everything becomes SOOOO much simpler

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Dagmar:

Just not having to transcode from nuv kicks ass

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Traveler:

Latest stable release: 0.19 , so this program is still in beta ?

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qu0zl:

it's in omega

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qu0zl:

be wary, there be dragons ;)

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Dibblah:

If you're not aware of how opensource version numbers work, it's confusing :)

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qu0zl:

hehe yeah, they tend never to go version 1.0

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Dibblah:

No, not really beta. It's continual development.

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Dibblah:

It works and works well at current state.

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Traveler:

Dibblah i am going buy most oo software like wine 0.91233 and they still consider them self a beta , so as meny other programs

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Dibblah:

Next release is 'soon'. There are a couple of issues if you're using DVB that are not ported to the 0.19-fixes branch – If you need to, use SVN.

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Dibblah:

Beta is a tag used mainly by non-open source stuff. It doesn't really make too much sense with OS.

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Dibblah:

There's releases then there's SVN.

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hads|home:

That reminds me of something I was wondering. Is SVN kept in a reasonably compilable state? So if I wanted to just track trunk that would be alright?

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Dibblah:

Try it, you'll probably like it :)

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Dibblah:

SVN is not just compilable.

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Dibblah:

It's almost always functional.

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Dibblah:

Most of the primary devs use SVN day-to-day.

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hads|home:

Excellent.

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Traveler:

i am just glad that its easy to customize . one wuestion about mythtvideo . why cant i make more then 1 source of video files like : /media/movies/comedy and /media/movies/action . and have pre sub menus under media -> Video -> Ganre{comedy , action}

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hads|home:

Thanks for that Dibblah

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Dibblah:

There may be small breaks, however, when major rewrites are in-progress.

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hads|home:

Yea, completely understandable.

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Dagmar:

Yeah, open-source stuff kinda has two phases. There's "stable/released" and "stuff newbies shoudn't mess with"

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Dibblah:

Traveler: Currently, it doesn't work like that.

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Dibblah:

You'd have to just use /media/movies

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Dibblah:

And let it work out the subdirectory structure itsself.

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: you have made me a very happy couch potato.

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: I owe you a drink or something =)

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Dagmar:

You can edit the metadata for the video files yourself and just use /media/movies and it will see everything in the subdirectories

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Dibblah:

That's easy. You just throw a potato on a couch.

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: Don't worry about it. Unless you're coming to Phreaknic or something. Heh

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Traveler:

Dibblah yeah i know but sub dir in mythtv is ugly. do you think it might be posible to implement in some releese

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Dibblah:

I don't know. How good are you with C++?

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Dibblah:

;)

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Traveler:

so so

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Dagmar:

Traveler: How can it be ugly? You don't see it once the stuff is loaded into the database. All you see is the name you've assigned to the video and the category it's in

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Dibblah:

Well, what are you waiting for? Fix it, Fix it, Fix it :)

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: Probably not Phreaknic, and I haven't been to a Linux-related show since 2000 or so, but I will be somewhere sometime.

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Dagmar:

Actually, what would probably be useful is if the video file inventorying could be handed off to a less-hostile language, like perl.

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Traveler:

Dibblah i was planing . i thought i could somehowe implement it with sub menus i xml .

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: Heh you've actually heard of Phreaknic?

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Dagmar:

That's funny. I'm one of the people who started it.

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tjcarter:

cool

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Dibblah:

C++ is hostile? What's it going to do? Blackjack you and knick your purse?

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Dagmar:

Compared to how little time it takes to develop code in perl, C++ is *very* hostile

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qu0zl:

never heard anyone call Perl less hostile than C++ before

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tjcarter:

me either.

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qu0zl:

shudder

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Dagmar:

It makes way better glue layers because of how easy it is to stick things together with it

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Dibblah:

Perl is fun. It can be misused to do anything.

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qu0zl:

you're talking about python Dagmar ;) not perl

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Dagmar:

...and, of course, the fact that it was designed to manipulate textual data, which is basically what a bunch of filenames in subdirs amounts to

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Dibblah:

Oh no. Not the holy scripting language argument again.

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qu0zl:

:)

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Dagmar:

python is for people who like C but are too fed up with the compiler

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Dagmar:

Wait for perl C.

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qu0zl:

:)

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Dagmar:

er perl 6. It should be able to parse both C and python.

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: These days I try to avoid appearance of impropriety outside of specific areas I deliberately avoid the appearance of propriety ;)

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: Nothing improprietous has ever been allowed at Phreaknic, unless you're Ahmish or something.

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tjcarter:

lol

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Dagmar:

I had to disclose a *lot* of stuff to the ISC2 folks for my CISSP, so I'm quite sure this isn't a problem like it was in the 80's.

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Dagmar:

Besides which, hackers seem to be better at understanding the seriousness of secrets more than the averag joe anyway

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tjcarter:

it's the appearance though.. I'm just a few steps away from being a schoolteacher.

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Dagmar:

Is it at an Ahmish school or something?

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tjcarter:

Worse, it's a public school.

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Dagmar:

If you're teaching comp sci you could probably parlay that into getting obedience out of your students through fear

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Traveler:

how much better is freevo then mythtv in aspects of good programing

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tjcarter:

When I was having an undergraduate field study, I said in response to a question about my plans at the uni in question, "actually I'm planning to get the hell out of here as soon as possible!"

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Dagmar:

It only supports one tuner!

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Dagmar:

I don't see how those Freevo people live like that

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hads|home:

Traveler: Heh, nice flamebait

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qu0zl:

Juski said freevo couldnt pause live tv, is that really the case?

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tjcarter:

...some people in the school district tried to basically make sure that my career in teaching ended that day.

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qu0zl:

or is my memory playing tricks on me

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Dagmar:

qu0zl: I thought it could, actually, but again, there's the "only one tuner" thing

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qu0zl:

heh if either rumours true it doesn't sound too great tbh

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: Well, phreaknic is basically run by whitehats, or at least light-greyhats so it shouldn't ever really be a problem

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Dagmar:

Elonka Dunn does a presentation for us every couple of years. If she weren't a proper law-abiding citizen, no one would be safe.

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Dagmar:

If she had a mind to she could probably just print out a few pages of your encrypted ssl session and read off your bank password

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tjcarter:

heh

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Dagmar:

It's freaking unnerving to see someone crack ciphers in their head that everyone else would be sharpening their pencils and making a pre-emptive bathroom visit for.

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tjcarter:

scary sounding woman.

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Dagmar:

Real nice lady, thankfully

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snpz:

hi everybody

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tjcarter:

anyway, as I have to be awake in 4 hours, I gotta sleep.

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snpz:

i'm pretty newbie if we talk about home media centre thing

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snpz:

so right now i'm planning to make my own home media centre

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tjcarter:

snpz: do you know how to use google very well?

[08:57:24]

snpz:

tjcarter, yes

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snpz:

i do

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tjcarter:

good, cause you'll need it =D

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Traveler:

Elonka Dunn uses freevo , so i heard

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tjcarter:

quick suggestions for things that work:

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tjcarter:

WinTV-PVR 250/350

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tjcarter:

WinTV-PVR 150 if you're not afraid to upgrade some stuff and read a bit

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Merlin83b:

Where do you live, snpz?

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tjcarter:

WinTV-PVR 500 if you really wanna hit your head against the wall and upgrade everything =)

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snpz:

Merlin83b, Latvia

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Merlin83b:

Okay, I have no idea about Latvia. Do you have digital TV there?

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Traveler:

do you have a TV at least

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Dagmar:

They have TV here?

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Dagmar:

er there?

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tjcarter:

snpz: I don't know about DVB cards that will work for you, but they exist and are nice =)

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tjcarter:

in .us we can't have sane things like DVB

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Traveler:

caouse it says so in the bible`?

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snpz:

Traveler, if u would take a look closer in the world map – Latvia is in Eastern Europe and is in EU

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tjcarter:

I'm sure it doesn't, and mine's a little bigger than the average Protestant.

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tjcarter:

snpz: you have TVs there? ;)

[09:02:51]

** tjcarter ducks **

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snpz:

tjcarter, no – we are still living in caves

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snpz:

i just wanted to ask for advice what kind of hardware and gadgets do i need to stream my videos, sound and pictures from my Linux box to TV and sound system?

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Traveler:

a TV station

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Merlin83b:

snpz: Do you have digital TV?

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Merlin83b:

(just to reiterate the sensible part of the conversation)

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snpz:

in Latvia? yes

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snpz:

if u ask if i have, than – not yet

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Merlin83b:

Then you should get something like a Hauppauge WinTV Nova-T rather than a PVR x50

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Traveler:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001WXTF0.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg is for streaming media to tv , but its crap

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snpz:

Traveler, so what do u suggest?

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Merlin83b:

snpz: You just need a graphics card with a TV out :-)

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Traveler:

tehn again is that streaming media

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Traveler:

you could use amateur radio for streaming music . and for tv i dont know

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Juski:

morning

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hads|home:

evening

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Juski:

bad start to the day today.. woke up with my front tooth crown missing :-/ Found it, went to the dentists to get it glued back. Luckily I didn't need a new one :-)

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hads|home:

Look at it as a good start to the day. You didn't need a new one! :)

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Juski:

yeh & I didn't have to go for days with an uncomfortable plastic temporary one (or worse, just the pin showing [eew])

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Dagmar:

They can do a thing with ceramics now that isn't so likely to come off, you know

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emja:

i'm trying to import a dvd but I get no audio. the DVD plays fine in the same player (incl audio) and other dvds play and import successfully. it's just on this one that I can't get any audio. any ideas?

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Merlin83b:

Is your tooth gold, Juski?

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gardengnome:

found it? :)

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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gardengnome:

emja: it's probably mythdvd selecting the wrong audio track...

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emja:

emja: that's what I suspected, however I've tried all combinations of audio tracks, ac3 enabled/disabled, etc. The audio is fine on preview, but then won't import correctly

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emja:

btw, preview and import with consistent settings

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** emja wonders why he spoke to himself rather than gardengnome **

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emja:

heh

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psofa:

1.5 month old trunk build has high cpu usage on frontend while idle.Top says x is consuming 50% cpu but fe's usage remains low.When i kill mythfrontend X has normal cpu usage.Any ideas?

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gardengnome:

update to latest trunk?

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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LabMonkey:

ok here's a good question...

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LabMonkey:

my catv signal comes in 4:3, but some shows I record are 4:3 while others are letterboxed 16:9... How do I create separate recording and/or transcoding profiles to handle some shows at 4:3 and others at 16:9?

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Juski:

Merlin83b: nah.. it's white, but apparently made of titanium (?!)

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psofa:

sure but does anyone remember such a bug fixed?

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Juski:

psofa: search thru the tickets & -commits list yourself

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Merlin83b:

You shall henceforth be referred to as titanium-mouth.

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Juski:

lol

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DGnome:

uuh, hauppauge nova-t 500

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DGnome:

and still no driver for terratec 2400i DT

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LLyric:

Fook, tv_grab_au (immir) borked again

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Jasper:

weeeeeee

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Jasper:

time to start installing gentoo :P

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Juski:

see you in a couple of days then

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gardengnome:

heh

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** Juski prices up some more case badges **

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gardengnome:

;)

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Juski:

nice price

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Juski:

mythtvtalk.com needs a mailroom monkeyboy to package stuff up

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gardengnome:

ask ludo ;)

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Juski:

I think he's too busy, what with job interviews & stuff

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gardengnome:

we should be able to hire someone with the money from our fundraiser

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gardengnome:

hehe

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Juski:

lol. talk about a viscious circle!

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gardengnome:

;)

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Juski:

that's how capitalism started

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Juski:

:-P

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Juski:

I think I'll be having a fundraiser of my own soon. s100 for sale

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Juski:

I didn't need 2

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gardengnome:

hehe

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gardengnome:

you know you do :)

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Juski:

english, modded with vga socket :-D

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Jasper:

hello :P

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Juski:

finished installing gentoo already Jasper? wow

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Zide:

nowadays it can be installed pretty fast.. (maybe not THAT fast tho) ;)

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Jasper:

juski

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Jasper:

wireless crashed :P

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Juski:

package cds help a lot ;-)

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Jasper:

no I'm just fdisking my disk

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Jasper:

but it starts out nicely

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Zide:

I believe it's stage3 that is default now..

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Jasper:

it reports I won't be able to write the partition table

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Juski:

oh dear

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Jasper:

:P

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Juski:

BIOS virus protection turned on by any chance?

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** Jasper wonders why **

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Jasper:

let's check

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rambo3:

:p

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rambo3:

so is there any chess game that could work with lirc

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Zide:

chess game..? :D

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Juski:

rambo3: maybe if you use lircmd (the lirc mouse daemon).. or a joystick. does lirc have a joysticky thingy?

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Jasper:

wohoo

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** Jasper wonders where to find bios virus protection **

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Jasper:

:P

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Juski:

in the BIOS.. RTFM for your motherboard

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Jasper:

:P

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Jasper:

I don't havge the manual

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Jasper:

8)

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Jasper:

the guy I bought it from couldn't find it :P

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gardengnome:

get it online

[11:52:30]

rambo3:

Juski there is /usr/bin/lircmd .

[11:53:15]

Juski:

http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?Mf . . . ubmit=Search

[11:53:44]

Juski:

rambo3: turns the arrow keys into mousey mover buttons ;-)

[11:55:19]

Juski:

needs a config file I think.. so you have direction buttons & clicky buttons

[11:55:38]

Jasper:

hmm no juski

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Jasper:

no bios virus stuff

[11:55:50]

Jasper:

I checked every option in the bios

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rambo3:

ok but will ite interfere with mythtv . will it take over actions . . i am reading instruction on lirc page

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Juski:

rambo3: shouldn't. mythtv will only be an issue when it's in the foreground

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Juski:

iirc

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gardengnome:

Juski: well, it'll be in the foreground most of the time. maybe he should start lircmd alongside with his chess game. and kill it when he's done.

[11:57:43]

Dagmar:

Perhaps he should stop boring his computer with chess.

[11:58:05]

Juski:

lol

[11:58:23]

Juski:

what about polarity instead?

[11:58:34]

Juski:

saw a lot of peeps playing that last weekend (no idea what it is though)

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rambo3:

maby <action > EXEC xboard && lircmd </action>

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Jasper:

gah, this sux

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Jasper:

I can't even make a parition on this disk..

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gardengnome:

rambo3: why don't you use mythgame?

[12:03:02]

rambo3:

i dont like it. well the browsing part .

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Dagmar:

Seems like polarity is a little silly without any fixed cells, but that's just me

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** Juski groans. that's another patch we have to look forward to **

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rambo3:

gardengnome, will mythgame anyhow help with lirc and xboard

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Juski:

no. mythgame is just a frontend

[12:04:37]

gardengnome:

i don't think so...

[12:05:03]

gardengnome:

but it might prevent mythfrontend from getting all those lirc keypresses, but i'm not sure about that. just an uneducated guess

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Juski:

there are much nicer xmame frontends – and you could use them without ever installing mythgame.. _and_ incorportate menu items

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Dagmar:

. o O ( and not involve bothering us )

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Juski:

they might not support lirc though

[12:06:32]

Dagmar:

Shhh!

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Dagmar:

Everything supports lirc

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Juski:

yeh it does actually.. with irexec !

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Dagmar:

Lirc can feed keypresses to applications if you just tell it the name of the application it's supposed to be prodding

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fony_vaio:

trying to migrate from mce2k5 to mythtv. All is fine so far. But I'd like to know how to sort channels. The numbers are up in the 500's, and not consecutive. Also, some (non-free) channels cause myth to give a video rendering error, and then i can't watch TV until I restart the backend.

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rambo3:

mythtv version and reporting chking bugs might help

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fony_vaio:

rambo3: 0.19–0.10 when you say "reporting chking bugs" you mean check the logs?

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LLyric:

Channel sorting is not too flexible right now, but it wouldn't be too hard to improve it... The UI is harder

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LLyric:

Until then, you can renumber the channels to the order you want, or add a sort-letter to the start of the callsign

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fony_vaio:

LLyric: thanks

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fony_vaio:

can't i edit it by hand or something?

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fony_vaio:

i've created a new backend log which consists of starting the backend, firing up the frontend, and going to watch live tv, then the error appears, and i exit.

[12:28:13]

fony_vaio:

there's nothing obvious in there that i can make out as an error

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Jasper:

juski

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Jasper:

I was trying to fdisk my dvd-player

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fony_vaio:

is there a pastebin i can use so that someone could see my log?

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Dagmar:

pastebin.ca

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Merlin83b:

Or any of the other humdreds that are available :-)

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fony_vaio:

http://pastebin.ca/102215

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fony_vaio:

ok, didn't know if you had a special one or something :)

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** Merlin83b points to the topic. **

[12:37:38]

** fony_vaio doh **

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fony_vaio:

in my defense, i'm not used to using irssi through a crt tv, it's quite odd.

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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fony_vaio:

so are there any obvious errors in my log? I can't see any. Although there's definitely a full screen error on the frontend

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Merlin83b:

Log looks fine, fony_vaio.

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fony_vaio:

maybe it's something to do with the decoder, or even my display driver, hmm

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fony_vaio:

"Error was encountered while displaying video."

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Hoxzer:

where can I find an instructions to make a ticket?

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fony_vaio:

apparently some other ppl had the same problem as me http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /135460.html no fix though :(

[12:47:48]

gardengnome:

Hoxzer: read the ticket howto von svn.mythtv.org

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Hoxzer:

gardengnome: ok, thx

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Beirdo:

von?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

gardengnome is turning Dutch

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gardengnome:

dammit, i sometimes get languages mixed up in my head when i'm distracted ;)

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Hoxzer:

:D I thought that was some cool slang when you said "von"

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Zide:

dutch is not a language.. it's a noise.. ;)

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Hoxzer:

I dont like swedish my self :(

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qu0zl:

Zide, i've been localising our product into dutch this week. All their words are loooooooonnnnnggggg

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qu0zl:

too long. they break everything :)

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Zide:

hehe

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Merlin83b:

Heh, sounds like a good product ;-)

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fony_vaio:

ok, i solved it by going into mythtv-setup and selecting the default channel as bbc one, now i can get into watch tv in the front end.

[13:02:46]

fony_vaio:

i just need to remove all those non-free channels, and i think it doesn't like dab chans, either

[13:03:24]

fony_vaio:

i've noticed that the video is kinda 'slow', any reason for that?

[13:05:35]

fony_vaio:

the audio track is perfect, but the video is slow, and then it speeds up for a few frames to catch up with the audio

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fiXXXerMet:

Aside from installing the OS, am I going to need a cd/dvd rom for anything?

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Zide:

playing dvd/svcd from disk :)

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fiXXXerMet:

That's ano then ;)

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fiXXXerMet:

Thanks.

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Jasper:

:P

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fiXXXerMet:

Any of you used a pcToys.com Tornado Maxx F5 fan?

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fiXXXerMet:

so loud

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Zide:

I only use Zalman

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gardengnome:

umm

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gardengnome:

that's probably why it's called "tornado maxx"

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fiXXXerMet:

yea :)

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fiXXXerMet:

I love the fan, if it's not around me

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Zide:

soon they'll come up with a water cooler called Tsunami Maxx

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fiXXXerMet:

heh

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fiXXXerMet:

2 40 PATA, 1 80 PATA and 2 80 SATA. That'll be my storage for now

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Zide:

80 sata..?

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fiXXXerMet:

yea

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fiXXXerMet:

Spare stuff

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fiXXXerMet:

(GB)

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Zide:

huh?

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fiXXXerMet:

You lost me

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Zide:

what's the 80 about?

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fiXXXerMet:

80 GB

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Zide:

oh, hdd size

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fiXXXerMet:

Thought I meant pin or something?

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Zide:

I thought you meant the number of connectors on the MB

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Zide:

yeah

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fony_vaio:

anyone have an idea why video could be out of sync very slightly? It runs a tad slow for a couple of secs, then speeds up over a few frames to catch up with audio track, then goes slightly slow, loops

[13:28:33]

fiXXXerMet:

CPU Usage?

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Dagmar:

Oh bizarre. ivtv 0.4.6 doesn't seem to want to play properly with kernel 2.4.32

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Dagmar:

It looks like it's missing a variable somewhere

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Zide:

why bother with 2.4 at all? :)

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Dagmar:

Just covering my bases

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fony_vaio:

fiXXXerMet: what util you suggest i use to check cpu usage?

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fiXXXerMet:

top

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure the problem is my failing power supply but I'm giving it one more shot

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Zide:

what bases?

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Dagmar:

Zide: The bases that might be the cause for the spontaneous reboots I've been seeing

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fony_vaio:

between 26–27% with live tv running

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Zide:

sounds like PSU

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fiXXXerMet:

Check it when the lag happens

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Dagmar:

Zide: Well, there's been fun things like this with ivtv before.

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Zide:

oh?

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Dagmar:

Zide: You should have tried enabling preemptive multitasking in the kernel with some of the 0.6.x drivers

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fony_vaio:

fiXXXerMet: lag is constant, it's always slow, but it speeds up every few seconds to catch the audio

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: are you sure it's supposed to work with kernel 2.4? you might wanna try 0.4

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fiXXXerMet:

I see.. No idea fony: I haven't even installed MythTV yet

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Dagmar:

Zide: ivtv did NOT like having it's tasks preempted. It would spontaneously reboot

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Zide:

Dagmar: I should?

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: It's got stuff still in the makefiles for Makefile2.4

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fony_vaio:

fiXXXerMet: ok np

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gardengnome:

ah, ok

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gardengnome:

maybe some leftovers ;)

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Dagmar:

Everything looks like it's still wired correctly except it's not pulling in Kbuild because of some missing variable

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Dagmar:

...which results in it trying to do an install -m 644 $empty_variable /lib/modules/2.4.32/blahblahblah

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fony_vaio:

anyone else have an idea why video could be slightly slow? like say 18fps instead of 25fps, and it speeds up every few secs to catch up to the audio stream?

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Dagmar:

0.4.6 is supposed to be for 2.6.15 and older

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Dagmar:

fony_vaio: not enough CPU power

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fony_vaio:

Dagmar: ??? it was fine on mce2k5

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fony_vaio:

it's only taking max 27% cpu when playing live tv

[13:37:15]

fony_vaio:

i'm sure a AMD64 3200+ winchester can handle a single SD mpeg2 stream

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Dagmar:

fony_vaio: I don't care if it sang to the hills of dover under Windows

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Dagmar:

If you've misconfigured the machine it will very easily not be able to go fast enough

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Dagmar:

There's a lot of ways that can get screwed up

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Dagmar:

Particularly with respect to the video card driver

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Dagmar:

You wanted ideas, you got 'em.

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fony_vaio:

i'm using the nvidia binary driver

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fony_vaio:

i wonder if CnQ could be causing an issue.

[13:39:00]

fony_vaio:

this shuttle machine doesn't have a bios option to disable it, i was thinking that's a pita when i upgraded the bios last.

[13:39:11]

Dagmar:

Possible, but not likely if you've not messed around with the settings for that

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rambo3:

mythbackend isnt starting on startup . what to do

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Dagmar:

rambo3: Look at why it's not starting

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fony_vaio:

Dagmar: yah, but i've touched very few settings at this point, so i'm a little baffled.

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rambo3:

its start ok from terminal

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fony_vaio:

i'll try a dvd in mplayer to see whether it's a problem with xv or something

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Dagmar:

That's probably the right idea

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Dagmar:

rambo3: So reboot and watch what it's doing then

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Dagmar:

Even odds says your mysql init script doesn't wait for the mysqld to finish starting, so mythbackend tries to start before the mysqld has come up

[13:42:23]

Dagmar:

Patrick's damn Slackware init script for mysqld does that

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rambo3:

i just added sudo mythbackend to rc.local

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Dagmar:

For pete's sake everything is root during the init process

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Dagmar:

You do not need to use sudo then

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Dagmar:

It's probably complaining about that when it boots up

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rambo3:

says you

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Dagmar:

I am probably going to slap the first Ubuntu developer I meet over stuff like that

[13:45:41]

Dagmar:

Yeah, says me and my decade plus of experience with Linux.

[13:46:05]

Dagmar:

...and a half-dozen other unices besides.

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rambo3:

using linux to download porn doesnt make you experienced

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Dagmar:

No, but running mail servers, name servers, intranet and internet firewalls, database servers, CGI development, eCommerce apps and web servers sure as hell does

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gardengnome:

why do you run mythbackend as root anyways? ;)

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Dagmar:

Because I feel like it.

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gardengnome:

ah, that works for me

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jammyd:

surely your decade plus of experience tells you that's a bad idea ;-)

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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Dagmar:

So all you newbs can bite me

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rambo3:

ok Dagmar you are right ubuntu using sudo is bad then

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Dagmar:

If this were a production product, I might actually give a damn.

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Dagmar:

rambo3: No, you using sudo without knowing what the hell you're doing is bad.

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** jammyd signs **

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** jammyd sighs, too **

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Dagmar:

You deliberately trying to piss someone off who knows more than you is incredibly stupid.

[13:51:03]

jammyd:

Except you've NO idea how much I know. Assuming you know more than someone, is incredibly stupid. That's the only source of stupidity in here.

[13:51:06]

Dagmar:

Read some books on basic unix and learn to walk before you try to run.

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Dagmar:

jammyd: Considering that comment was directed at rambo3 it doesn't much matter.

[13:51:48]

Dagmar:

jammyd: You've at least not unequivocally demonstrated that you're an idiot.

[13:52:18]

Dagmar:

If I assumed everyone was a moron, I'd just be hunting people down to kill them.

[13:52:52]

Dagmar:

Everyone gets the benefit of the doubt until they demonstrate otherwise

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rambo3:

chill dumbass , running webs servers and coding in html doesnt make you any professional

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Dagmar:

rambo3: No, having over a decade of work experience and a certification or three does.

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Dagmar:

Welcome to the ignore list, fucktard.

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gardengnome:

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fony_vaio:

i don't think he's here anymore

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gardengnome:

15:52 < Dagmar> Everyone gets the benefit of the doubt until they demonstrate otherwise

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gardengnome:

;))))

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fony_vaio:

i see everyone's been enjoying themselves whilst i was off fiddling with mplayer...

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fony_vaio:

so anyway, dvd's work perfectly, no lag, etc.. smooth.

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Chicago:

I just upgraded to a v.2.6.17 kernel... and then upgraded to ivtv .7 stable unsuccessfully. Here is my dmesg. What can you make of the error log? http://rafb.net/paste/results/bdvggV44.html

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: And yeah, to address what you said earlier, it's in my todo that at some point I'm breaking the packages apart and giving them all their own role ids, but at the moment I'm trying to knock all the silly bugs out of everything and get the test box stable first

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fony_vaio:

so it's gotta be something to do with myth specific options

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Dagmar:

Chicago: Aha! Look at lines 23–34 of that

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fony_vaio:

i've tried different mpeg2 decoders, didn't help, tried turning on/off the decoder opts on the same page individually

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Dagmar:

Chicago: in your kernel config, under device drivers, multimedia devices, umm... video4linux in there is a section for Encoders and Decoders...

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Dagmar:

Chicago: I'm fairly sure that's where those modules are supposed to come from. Just go into that section in menuconfig, stuff an M into every box, and then run `make modules && make modules_install && depmod`

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Dagmar:

Chicago: It should sort it out

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Dagmar:

fony_vaio: Is it only doing it when you play live TV?

[13:59:33]

fony_vaio:

Dagmar: lemme try a recording...

[13:59:48]

Dagmar:

It's starting to sound like a choked bus but that would really be a piss poor board if it can't manage that

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Chicago:

Dagmar: Would that be the Philips SAA7127/9 digital video encoder I need to add? (for a hauppauge 500)?

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fony_vaio:

Dagmar: yes! only live tv, recordings are yummy, too.

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Dagmar:

Chicago: I just threw them all on, since it'll only take about 45 seconds to build them all

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Dagmar:

fony_vaio: Is all this on one disk, and is it running in PIO mode or something?

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fony_vaio:

bear in mind i'm using a usb dvb-t adapter, if that makes any diff.

[14:01:54]

fony_vaio:

Dagmar: i hope not.. lemme check

[14:01:57]

Dagmar:

Ouch. Could be USB bus issues pretty easily then

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Dagmar:

WHoo! Okay. Thta kind of settles it. The machine just shut off while I was editing a text file

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fony_vaio:

/dev/sda: Timing buffered disk reads: 170 MB in 3.01 seconds = 56.44 MB/sec

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Chicago:

Dagmar: My ivtv init shows I failed to load the module for the WM8775... that one is on the list in the encoders/decoders section of multimedia devices, too.

[14:03:35]

Dagmar:

Chicago: That's why I said just turn them all on. They dont' take up much disk space and they're never loaded until they're needed.

[14:03:36]

fony_vaio:

Dagmar: grab a voltmeter and check the rails for fluctuations during usage.

[14:04:21]

Dagmar:

fony_vaio: Oh I did that yesterday. The 5V rails are severely buggered. They're hanging out at "around" 4.3V and fluctuate enough to make my multimeter jiggle like the needle has palsy

[14:04:34]

fony_vaio:

baaaaad news.

[14:04:41]

Dagmar:

I was watching it through lm_sensors and kinda hoping that wasn't what was goingon

[14:04:49]

fony_vaio:

new psu, before it damages something....

[14:05:04]

Dagmar:

I hate buying stuff at CompUSA on principle tho. Yech

[14:05:17]

Dagmar:

Looks like I'm going to have to this morning tho

[14:05:18]

fony_vaio:

compusa?

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fony_vaio:

i thought you guys had "newegg" or something?

[14:05:49]

fony_vaio:

they're supposed to be uber cheap

[14:05:50]

Dagmar:

Yeah, they're a computer supermarket of sorts. They overcharge so badly I can usually have stuff fed-ex'd next day air to me and still save money

[14:05:57]

Dagmar:

NewEgg is mail order.

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fony_vaio:

sounds like pc world (dixons) over here...

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Chicago:

Dagmar: funny... after looking closely... it appears I only need to build in <*> Conexant CX2584x and Wolfson Microelectronics WM8775...

[14:06:12]

Dagmar:

I would rather the hardware be stable again so I can get back to testing

[14:06:25]

Chicago:

Dagmar: Do I really need them all to support a hauppauge-500?

[14:06:31]

Dagmar:

Chicago: Don't build things directly into the kernel unless they're needed to boot up

[14:06:47]

Dagmar:

Chicago: BUilt into the kernel, they can not be unloaded

[14:06:59]

Dagmar:

...which makes testing new configurations a real pain in the butt.

[14:07:00]

Chicago:

Dagmar: if it hoses, I reobot

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Chicago:

but you're right, I can make them modules

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but no matter how fast you reboot it can't beat an rmmod blah && insmod otherblah

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fony_vaio:

modular kernels are the best :D

[14:08:30]

Chicago:

Can I get rid of "Enable Video For Linux API 1 (DEPRECATED)"... and use the compatible layer instead for V4L 1?

[14:08:35]

fony_vaio:

i wonder whether the osd is causing me some issues...

[14:09:02]

Dagmar:

fony_vaio: Oof. Yes. There's some "issues" with XvMCNVIDIA and OSD transparency still

[14:09:20]

Dagmar:

It works properly _sometimes_

[14:10:06]

Dagmar:

I can't remember the exact details at the moment tho. I just have that stuff off

[14:10:32]

Dagmar:

With it on on my box it works okay until I try to pull up the OSD and then things get weird. On some machines it'll screw up all the time in interesting ways

[14:10:35]

Puh:

fony_vaio, try pausing the video for a second and then unpausing it

[14:10:58]

Puh:

fony_vaio, my xbox frontend always plays jerky livetv, but the pause trick somehow fixes it

[14:11:05]

Puh:

fony_vaio, don't know why though

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Chicago:

rebooting to test

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Puh:

fony_vaio, oh, this is on 0.19-fixes

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fony_vaio:

Puh: i used binary packages, so i don't think i can apply fixes (they are patches, right?)

[14:17:46]

Puh:

fony_vaio, but you are running 0.19, right?

[14:17:55]

Puh:

fony_vaio, try the trick, maybe it helps

[14:18:20]

Puh:

fony_vaio, for some reason recordings play without any jerkiness, but livetv seems jumpy just like you described

[14:19:15]

fony_vaio:

that is so weird.... the "pause trick" worked

[14:19:34]

fony_vaio:

if i pause the video stream for a few secs, and then resume, the weird lag issue dissapears.

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fony_vaio:

Puh: yes, 0.19 from the marillat repo

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Puh:

yep

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Puh:

i'd love to get a fix for that one

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Juski:

get 0.19-fixes

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Puh:

i have that

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Puh:

same thing

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Juski:

use something with more ram then :-P

[14:24:28]

Juski:

32mb usable.. ugh

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Juski:

I demo'ed the xbox running mythfrontend last weekend. nobody was impressed by it

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GreyFoxx:

cause of the lag ?

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fony_vaio:

Juski: it's a RAM issue?

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Juski:

cause it was so damn slow

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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Juski:

not surprising when you think that xbox only has 32mb free ram

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fony_vaio:

oh sure, i thought you were referring to the video lag bug we're experiencing as being a ram limitation

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Juski:

every issue you'll see will be a ram limitation I bet

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Juski:

don't get the problem on my s100 box

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fony_vaio:

I have 1GB (2 x 512MB) running in dual chan, CAS2-3-2–6 iirc (memtest86 stable)

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Juski:

I was only talking about the crappyness of the xbox frontend

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fony_vaio:

oh ok

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gardengnome:

OT: i need to resize a picture to a way bigger resolution. can i just use imagemagicks' convert or is gimp the way to go?

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Juski:

imagamagick. GIMP stinks

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Juski:

"loading..."

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Juski:

"loading... "

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gardengnome:

thanks, i was just wondering if gimp had some better algorithms..

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gardengnome:

well, i don't really care about that, i just need good results

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Juski:

it prolly does if you can stand the loading time

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Juski:

;-)

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gardengnome:

;)

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gardengnome:

i'm gonna make some posters using metapixel ;)

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Juski:

bicubic resizing is good

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Juski:

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Jasper:

why juski?

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Juski:

tax, insurance, pension...

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Jasper:

nice....

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Jasper:

but tax is kinda normal isn't it?

[14:33:48]

Jasper:

it's low..

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Juski:

normal to resent having to pay it

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Jasper:

:p

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Jasper:

I have to give away 52% of my income

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Jasper:

for taxes

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Juski:

that's what you get for living in the wrong country :-P

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Jasper:

;p

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fiXXXerMet:

I've got five hard drives in this machine – any recommendations on how I should partition them?

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fiXXXerMet:

I'll go with JFS

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fiXXXerMet:

But I'm not sure how I should layout 5 drives

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Fnc-1:

give em some privacy, use like one of those japanesse screens

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sigger:

Juski: I mentioned a problem I was having accessing dvd iso's via samba yesterday; you suggested using nfs instead of samba. FYI – seems to work ok now. Thanks

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Fnc-1:

sigger what kind of problem where you having?

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Fnc-1:

fiXXXerMet: what type of drives you got? same sizes?

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Fnc-1:

sata?

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Juski:

Fnc-1: throughput sucked, which it does with SMBFS compared to NFS

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fiXXXerMet:

1 40GB PATA, 1 40GB PATA, 2 80GB SATA

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fiXXXerMet:

er

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fiXXXerMet:

1 40 p

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fiXXXerMet:

shit

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fiXXXerMet:

hold on

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fony_vaio:

thanks for the help ppl, looks like i'm almost there now, i have nice smooth tv (well, most of the time)

[14:54:22]

fiXXXerMet:

2 80GB SATA, 1 40GB PATA, 2 80GB PATA

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fony_vaio:

just need to iron out the kinks and get the remote control working.

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sigger:

Fnc-1: xine was complaining about not being able to read the files. I believe it wasn't throughput as I was able to read a number of other similarly visually active files.

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sigger:

If I remember correctly I iptraf was showing the samba connection able to copy files at 15MB/s

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Fnc-1:

Juski / sigger: cool.. once i have enough space im going to finish ripping my library, ill make a mental note of that

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fony_vaio:

i have a hauppauge remote, and a m$ mce remote. any recomendations as to which i should set up?#

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Fnc-1:

fiXXXerMet: put you os on the small one...

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Fnc-1:

then use the others for storage

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sigger:

Fnc-1: these were not heavily encrypted disks either.

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Fnc-1:

fiXXXerMet: i would do the LVM thing on them

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fiXXXerMet:

Fnc-1: Never used LVM before – hard to make it work?

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Fnc-1:

sigger: theres heavy encryption?

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sigger:

ehhhh, that a joke?

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Fnc-1:

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/

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Fnc-1:

sigger i just thought there was encrption on the discs, and it was all the same.. didn;t know there was more than one level

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sigger:

Fnc-1: not only is there more than one kind, they seem to keep coming out with new ones.

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Fnc-1:

heh.. .shows you how much attention i really pay

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Fnc-1:

sigger: what you using to create your iso's?

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sigger:

Fnc-1: I'm relatively new to this aspect of dvd's, but www.dvdr-digest.com has a bunch of stuff.

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sigger:

Is talk of ripping software permitted in this channel?

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gardengnome:

sigger: not really, unless it's about unencr<ypted DVDs

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sigger:

gardengnome: ok, thanks. gotta keep it legit.

[15:01:26]

sigger:

Fnc-1: you'll find that website informative. sorry

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Fnc-1:

so what about copying? ie.. i dont remove any encryption?!?

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fiXXXerMet:

I can't mount 3 drives to /share? I guess that's where LVM comes in?

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Fnc-1:

yeah.. LVM.. makes it so they all appear as one larger disc

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fiXXXerMet:

Great.

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Fnc-1:

....along with other things...

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gardengnome:

like when one disc fails, you'll lose everything...

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Fnc-1:

well.. yeah i would have said level 5 raid... but im not sure about setting up 2 sata, s ide

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Dagmar:

Raid 5 works very poorly with different speed/latency drives

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Dagmar:

Fnc-1: If the disc is actually encrypted, it goes without saying thta you're probably not supposed to be copying it.

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haj:

Dagmar: RAID5 works very poorly in most cases.... :)

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Dagmar:

Nah, not on matched drives with a decent implemntation of it

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fiXXXerMet:

Do I need to create partitons first, then use LVM? I'm doing this all from within the ubuntu installer. It keeps telling me there are no drives

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Dagmar:

THe LVM FAQ explains all that

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fiXXXerMet:

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ ?

[15:23:55]

Dagmar:

Yes, that one.

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Fnc-1:

Dagmar: latency... and other issues... thats why i didnt recomend it...

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fiXXXerMet:

Must have missed it

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haj:

Dagmar: i must say i much prefer RAID10..

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Fnc-1:

Dagmar: i think he's just not setting things up... Im not sure if you can do LVM, during install of the os? havent ever tried before... fiXXXerMet: you can just install the os for now, then add the lvm later... and set mount points and what not...

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Dagmar:

I'll take a 5 disk array over that

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Dagmar:

Fnc-1: you can if your installer supports it. Several of them already do.

[15:26:13]

Dagmar:

If it's even giving him the option it probably does support it.

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Dagmar:

I keep buying drives bigger than Utah so thus far I've not had any real incentive to bother with LVM

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haj:

Dagmar: it's simple and cheap to build a fast RAID10 in software, hardware RAID5 is a bit too expensive for my likeing, and i have seen the software RAID5 fail (though, not enough to loose data).

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Dagmar:

haj: Software raid I avoid like the plague

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Dagmar:

Only under extreme duress will I use it

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Dagmar:

Common memory corruption can *very* rapidly demolish the entire filesystem.

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fiXXXerMet:

I'm now wondering if I should be using ubuntu server, since I need to run X anyway

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Dagmar:

If you've a project that actually requires RAID availability, it's probably not the time to quibble over the cost of a card.

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haj:

Dagmar: why? it works _great_ in Linux.. have had no problems with Software RAID1/10 in Linux for like.. 6 years, on about 20–30 systems.

[15:31:28]

Dagmar:

haj: Because RAID isn't about when things are going good. It's about not losing the company's everything when things go wrong

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haj:

Dagmar: thats what backups are for

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Dagmar:

If the one-in-a-million failure happens on the company's oracle DB it can easily make the diffence between a quick replacement, and the unemployment line and a stock drop

[15:32:23]

Dagmar:

You don't say "that's what backups are for" when you need hot-swap reliability.

[15:32:45]

Dagmar:

The downtime of just restoring the backup is something to be considered, as well as how far back that rollback is going to amount to

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haj:

Dagmar: well.. i wasn't talking storage for Oracle and stuff in that class ;)

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Dagmar:

I'm used to it being more or less mandatory when a company has more than about 30 people relying on it

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haj:

Dagmar: in my company, where they need lots of space and speed for the least amount of money.. i don't mind using Software-RAID's with diskbased backups in another building.

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Dagmar:

A day's rollback and data reentry for the daily nut on those 30 people, plus downtime, very quickly pays for a $2k card which would be a really pimp one

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haj:

Dagmar: The main storageserver runs RAID5 on a 7000-series 3ware-controller... and it's damn' slow..

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Dagmar:

One of the departments at the uni I work at has a bloody rack filled with RAID 5

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Dagmar:

...not to mention the madness that is the beowulf cluster

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fiXXXerMet:

What distro are you all using for MythTV?

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haj:

fiXXXerMet: Debian

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Dagmar:

Salckware

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haj:

Salck? :)

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Dagmar:

..which I am beginning to feel is an odd fit for just about everything, but at least it's an equally odd ift

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LoneShadow:

ubuntu breezy

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Dagmar:

s/ift/fit/

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fiXXXerMet:

hmm.

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haj:

Slackware is a bit 90s.. :)

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haj:

2

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haj:

woops

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LoneShadow:

slackware is pretty good, check out http://www.slax.org/

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GreyFoxx:

Slax is based on slackware but it's not slackware itself :) And slax is sweet imho :)

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GreyFoxx:

I use to run a couple frontends off a USB stick with a image I did up

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GreyFoxx:

was about 156meg without my trying to trim it down

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kpanic:

hi, I have an usb IR Receiver that is mapped on /dev/ttyUSB0, is mythtv in some manner capable of reading events?

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Dagmar:

kpanic: It's entirely dependent on whether or not lirc can do anything with it. http://www.lirc.org

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kpanic:

Dagmar, ok, that's a starting point thanks

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Dagmar:

np

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sapbeast:

<3 software raid

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Merlin83b:

<3 serious SAN kit

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sapbeast:

</3 half a billion dollars for serious SAN kit

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Juski:

blimey. lots of people on the mailing list wanting more livetv functionality, not less :-/

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Merlin83b:

sapbeast: Dealt with serious SAN kit much?

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blaster999:

hi all

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Merlin83b:

It really isn't half a billion dollars.

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Juski:

can I pay _not_ to have that work done? ;-)

[16:17:19]

Merlin83b:

Juski: What more is there than "watch tv"?

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Juski:

a few people want myth to be more like tivo (whatever tf that is)

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Merlin83b:

I can't think of anything I'd want it to do in LiveTV that it doesn't do already.

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Juski:

like "wah! I leave livetv on all night & my disk is full"

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sapbeast:

Merlin83b: great way to use that sarcasm detector

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Merlin83b:

Thanks :>

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fiXXXerMet:

I was about to buy a tivo.

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Juski:

livetv is good for testing tuners though

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fiXXXerMet:

Then a friend in #dspam told me about mythtv

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Jasper:

hm

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sapbeast:

Merlin83b: we have one here anyways I think it set us back about 20 grand

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Merlin83b:

Sounds like a much more realistic price :-)

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sapbeast:

but i dont have 20 grand to use for my home raid :P

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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Fnc-1:

build your own

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sapbeast:

... great way to keep up with current events

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sapbeast:

its already built /dev/md/0 1.1T 588G 518G 54% /mnt/bigarray

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Fnc-1:

working on a 6TB one ;) got my card 16 port sata, now just need a mb, and some drives

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Juski:

.. and an enclosure suitable for it

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Fnc-1:

prolly wont put all 16 drives in it to start

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Fnc-1:

says it does "Online Capacity Expansion" never tried that with any raid stuff though.. but its a feature of the card

[16:24:59]

sapbeast:

although i did have a disk fail on sunday so ive been busy fixing it... having brand new drives i need to exercise them to make sure they dont suck

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Fnc-1:

http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/raid/sata/AAR-21610SA/

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Juski:

if they don't have 'maxtor' or 'WD' written on them they prolly won't suck ;-)

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Fnc-1:

its sopretty

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Fnc-1:

http://www.sybercom.com/cgi-bin/sybercom/HD75 . . . c=PriceWatch

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Fnc-1:

seagate 5 year warranty!!! seems like the only way to go anymore

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sapbeast:

Juski: unfortunately despite not saying maxtor or wd, it simply failed in a few days

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fiXXXerMet:

Intel 80303 100 MHz Intelligent I/O processor. Is 100 MHz enough to calculate the parity/etc for a raid 5?

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fiXXXerMet:

for 16 drives

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sapbeast:

fortunately, i ordered a replacement and a spare while i rma the busted shiat

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fiXXXerMet:

I don't know much about raid cards

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Juski:

sapbeast: oops. I've seen how some resellers treat HDDs so I'm never suprised though

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sapbeast:

well it was newegg... but its probably just a defective disk... im not worried

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Juski:

"here you go... " (plonks it on the desk)... "I just fsking PAID for that!!"

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sapbeast:

ill just run "data scrubbing" on the array every day for a week and if it passes then im sure it will be solid thereafter

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Jasper:

damn

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Jasper:

juski

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Jasper:

is it normal that glibc compiles this long..

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Jasper:

:P

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blaster999:

Jasper: How long?

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gardengnome:

userlocales might help

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sapbeast:

fiXXXerMet: its ok... we have a bunch of similar cards here and they perform relatively well... although nothing on the order of 16 disks at once

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Jasper:

blaster

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Jasper:

like 1 hour

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Jasper:

and counting

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Jasper:

4,3 ghz

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Juski:

pah!

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Juski:

that's nothing

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Jasper:

3,4

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Jasper:

:P

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Jasper:

not?

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Juski:

if there was a problem with the compile it'd just stop usually

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sapbeast:

fiXXXerMet: if you have a 16 disk array on the order of 6TB I can tell you it will probably take a day to sync almost

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Jasper:

juski what's the normal time then?

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Juski:

Jasper: why are you asking me? I don't know.. YMMV

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Fnc-1:

YMMV you might marry a virgin

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vanquish:

lol

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vanquish:

hey so anyone else looking forward to the summer of code projects?

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Fnc-1:

good thing its almost lunch time.. this week has been soo slow

[16:37:05]

Juski:

by the same token you might marry a vampire :-O

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AngryElf:

hey all, as of the current SVN there's a new icon for recordings, CC, how do I turn them on and off?

[16:37:19]

Fnc-1:

Juski: ... could be fun

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Juski:

vanquish: pah and tish. mythvideo & mythmusic reworks.. maybe. And the UI rewrite might mean it can move forwards.. (oops I forgot its been put back to 0.21)

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kormoc:

Does anyone know the command line util in Fedora Core to setup startup services?

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vanquish:

Juski: do you know how those projects will be integrated into releases?

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blaster999:

how do I finetune channels in MythTV?

[16:38:54]

vanquish:

blaster999: channel editor?

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kormoc:

ahh, I remember now, chkconfig!

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Juski:

vanquish: I have no idea. the idea is that they all have to compile cleanly against current svn so they'd be ready to go at the next release IIRC

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vanquish:

hmmmmm

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vanquish:

the ones i'm really looking forward to is the windows port, and the mythweb beautification

[16:44:48]

Juski:

the key phrase here is: don't hold your breath

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Juski:

I hate to think what kind of hell the windows port is going to unleash, but we'll have to wait & see

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vanquish:

also, the multi user stuff would come in handy. I run it in a computer lab on campus ...:)

[16:45:28]

vanquish:

Juski: true...

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Juski:

yeh the mythweb stuff will be good – I'm all for faster loading times :-)

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Fnc-1:

where are all these project thingys listed

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gardengnome:

Fnc-1: wiki.mythtv.org

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Juski:

I hope, for the sake of the windows port that it's not gonna use cygwin

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Juski:

:-P

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: I believe it will

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GreyFoxx:

But they might very well statically compile it like the rsync people do so that you don';t have to isntall cygwin

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Juski:

oh well. it was a nice thought

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Juski:

ahhh

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Juski:

been thinking about the question I was asked in the interview at lugradiolive.. and how all these all-singing, all-dancing multimedia things are gonna affect mythtv – stuff like Elisa etc.. just occurred to me that you could theoretically write a frontend in anything you like, using anything you like, and make it cross-platform (just about)

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GreyFoxx:

If someone did up a good doc on the mythprotocol it would go far for that

[17:03:23]

GreyFoxx:

and a portable library in some language, python/whatever

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Juski:

hang on.. mediaportal is a .net port of XBMC with extras bolted onto it

[17:03:49]

GreyFoxx:

yeah? Nowonder they use the same themes

[17:03:53]

Juski:

there's already a frontend of sorts for xbmc..

[17:03:58]

GreyFoxx:

I was wondering if they had just ripped the theme code

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Juski:

well in the early days what I pointed out was prolly more true... it's no doubt a whole different animal now

[17:04:37]

Juski:

but they allow for python-ish plugins

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Juski:

the hardest bit will be working out the myth protocol

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Juski:

though that's already in the xbmcmythtv stuff.. scheduling & things

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GreyFoxx:

which is really just tcpdump and asking Isaac and Captain_Morgan for info :)

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GreyFoxx:

even better

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Juski:

fuck it. I'm gonna have a go

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speedsix:

Howdy chaps

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speedsix:

is it me or is pastebin not working?

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Juski:

try pastebin.ca

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kormoc:

or one of the thousands of other pastebins?

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speedsix:

I was unaware of others, everyday's a school day..

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Cool.

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GreyFoxx:

speedsix: pastebin.ca also tends to be much faster and more reliable than the .com one

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fiXXXerMet:

yah

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: little steps though.. not even done a 'hello world' before :-)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

Might wanna look at the perl bindings that Captain Morgan started (I believe it's in svn)

[17:11:43]

GreyFoxx:

I'm not 100% sure how far along it is, but it should be a good startr

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Juski:

ta

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: I thought the perl bindings were xris's

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GreyFoxx:

The ones in svn might be. But Captain Morgan had started work on some as well. I assumed what was in SVN was a colaborative effort (since I haven't looked at what was in svn()

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sphery:

cool.

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sphery:

Probably is a combined effort

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sphery:

I haven't checked it out, yet, either.

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sphery:

One of these days...

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speedsix:

Having a problem with my frontend stuttering every second or so. Prints the following message to the output every time it stutters http://pastebin.ca/102524. The mpg files play fine in Xine. Any ideas?

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sphery:

speedsix: LiveTV or recording?

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speedsix:

sphery, both

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sphery:

Remote filesystem?

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sphery:

(NFS or Samba or ...)

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speedsix:

yeah. I've tried playing them directly over the network in Xine and they play fine

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sphery:

Wireless or wired network?

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speedsix:

direct connection to the backend. Wired

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vanquish:

bitrate?

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speedsix:

100mbit

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sphery:

Is it NFS or Samba?

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speedsix:

If I open them over the NFS share in xine they work fine

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sphery:

OK

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vanquish:

no bitrate, not network speed

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sphery:

NFS3?

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vanquish:

bitrate of video

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speedsix:

oh right, not sure, DVB

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sphery:

NFS3?

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speedsix:

sphery, I don't know

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sphery:

Use these mount options:

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sphery:

rsize=32768,wsize=32768,nfsvers=3,tcp

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speedsix:

Frontend is connecting directly to backend though?

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sphery:

You want NFS3 via TCP

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speedsix:

mythtv protocol right?

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sphery:

No

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GreyFoxx:

speedsix: Will can do both

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sphery:

otherwise it would be myth://

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GreyFoxx:

If the file is available on the filesystem it will read from there, if not it will use the mythprotocol

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speedsix:

I'm confused, I run the frontend which connects to the i.p of my backend machine and it stutters. No file share or NFS

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sphery:

But you said, "13:31:43 < speedsix> If I open them over the NFS share in xine they work fine

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speedsix:

yeah I have an NFS share to access video/music

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sphery:

Is it at /mnt/myth/tv/

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speedsix:

yeah

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sphery:

Then you're using NFS, not Myth streaming

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sphery:

Make sure it's NFS3 via TCP

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sphery:

highly recommend the mount options above...

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speedsix:

but the mount point is only for video/music which need a local path?? Sorry confused

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speedsix:

Frontend connects to the backend on 10.0.0.4

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sphery:

But the TV is accessible through it, so Myth uses it instead...

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sphery:

Just try the mount options...

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speedsix:

how does it know there is an NFS share with the tv recordings accessable?

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sphery:

Because you've set up a recordings directory of /mnt/myth/tv/ and there's a directory accessible through the filesystem at that location

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sphery:

Just try the mount options....

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speedsix:

ok

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speedsix:

recordings dir on the backend is /myth/tv

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sphery:

But the recordings dir on the frontend is /mnt/myth/tv

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speedsix:

The frontend doesn't hold the recordings

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GreyFoxx:

oh this is getting painful to watch

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speedsix:

I only mounted the /myth directory on the backend to access music and videos as you can't stream them afaik

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GreyFoxx:

Every frontend and backend has a setting on where it expects recordings to be located.

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sphery:

speedsix: Try:

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GreyFoxx:

IF the frontend is able to access a recording at the configured recording directory then it will read it from thjere. Regardless of it's mounted via nfs, samba or a readl HD

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sphery:

select * from settings where value = 'RecordFilePrefix';

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sphery:

You should see one entry with the backend's hostname and one with the frontend's

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speedsix:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

If it cannot access it from there it will THEN try to grab it over the myth protocol

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speedsix:

GreyFoxx, I see

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sphery:

thx for the better explanation, GreyFoxx

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speedsix:

mythtv = /myth/tv

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gardengnome:

wasn't there a bug in 0.19 that'd prevent that from happening and it would just stream all the time?

[17:40:43]

speedsix:

desktop = /mnt/myth/tv

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GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: Maybe, that was a long time ago to me :)

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sphery:

that's how it knows where to find it on desktop

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speedsix:

desktop is frontend, mythtv is backend

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sphery:

So, try the mount options...

[17:41:14]

sphery:

:)

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speedsix:

ok thanks, hang on

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sphery:

You'll need to umount and mount the filesystem again for it to take effect

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sphery:

Once it works, you should see those mount options in the output of mount

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sphery:

(no args)

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speedsix:

10.0.0.4:/myth /mnt/myth nfs rw 0 0

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speedsix:

that's my current line, where do I add the options?

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sphery:

You'll have to edit /etc/fstab

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GreyFoxx:

rw,option1,option

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sphery:

A line something like:

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sphery:

sol:/var/storage/mythtv/videos /var/storage/mythtv/videos nfs rw,bg,_netdev,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,nfsvers=3,tcp 0 0

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sphery:

ignore hostname/directory info

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sphery:

and bg, _netdev probably don't apply on your system

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sphery:

(at least the _netdev--bg is probably good)

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sphery:

(but not necessary)

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sphery:

(lot of comments in parens)

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sphery:

So, what I'm trying to say is, "Just add 'rsize=32768,wsize=32768,nfsvers=3,tcp' to whatever mount options currently exist."

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DarkDrgn2k:

Any one here know how i can stream /dev/video0 (pvr150) with with vlc (sommand line)

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speedsix:

sphery, ok

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GreyFoxx:

DarkDrgn2k: I had to compile VLC with specific support for that on mine, but I can show you an example of what I use if you like

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GreyFoxx:

I just run a shell script which launches it

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speedsix:

sphery, mount to NFS server '10.0.0.4' failed: server is down.

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speedsix:

existing line works ok

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sphery:

who's xris? Shouldn't that be xri1?

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GreyFoxx:

No, I lie. The shellscript just outputs the exact line I would use to do it. I think cut n paste that to actually run it

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[Jasper]:

hello, anyone know if the ivtv drivers work for 64 bit?

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sphery:

speedsix: please pastebin your /etc/fstab

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speedsix:

sphery, relevant line is 10.0.0.4:/myth /mnt/myth nfs rw,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,nfsvers=3,tcp 0 0

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sphery:

Wondering if your kernel has NFS3 and/or TCP support...

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sphery:

What distro?

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speedsix:

ubuntu dapper. It was working fine, not sure what happened. What if I remove the mount and force it to stream?

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sphery:

That's an option, too.

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speedsix:

How come Xine can stream over the share ok?

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sphery:

If it's unmounted right now, you should be able to try (I'd restart the frontend, though)

[17:52:37]

speedsix:

no it's mounted, might need to reboot?

[17:52:38]

sphery:

different buffering/stream reading

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sphery:

Thought it didnt' mount?

[17:53:03]

sphery:

Did you put it back and then mount it?

[17:53:05]

speedsix:

still mount with previous line?

[17:53:14]

speedsix:

sudo mount -a?

[17:53:24]

xris:

sphery: maybe the guy who keeps stealing my nick has learned his lesson (doubtful)

[17:53:26]

sphery:

No, unmount it to try Myth protocol streaming

[17:53:32]

sphery:

lol

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speedsix:

doh

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sphery:

speedsix: what distro are you on, though?

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speedsix:

Ubuntu Dapper. Works fine through myth protocol

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sphery:

OK.

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sphery:

One sec

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Juski:

bloody NTL! "we have improved your digital TV service, with new on-demand features and a much faster mini-guide". really? so why the fsck is it slower & more crashy? bastards

[17:55:38]

DarkDrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: um ok.. what is it

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DarkDrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: what nix u us?

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sphery:

speedsix: can you try:

[17:56:10]

sphery:

sudo umount /mnt/myth

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sphery:

sudo mount -t nfs -o rw,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,nfsvers=3,tcp 10.0.0.4:/myth /mnt/myth

[17:56:12]

[Jasper]:

what do you guys advice for mythtv, shall I go for 32 or 64 bit?

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GreyFoxx:

My distro of choice you mean ? Slackware

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** sapbeast reads up... **

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sapbeast:

wasnt nfs broken in 2.6.16?

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speedsix:

sphery, ok hang on..

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[Jasper]:

GreyFoxx

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kormoc:

[Jasper], if you want to do transcoding/nuvexport a lot, 64 bit is worth it, else there's really no need

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DarkDrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: ok im using gentoo.. bu thsoudlnt be to diff

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DarkDrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: which module do u use.. pvr or l4v

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DarkDrgn2k:

v4l even

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speedsix:

sphery, same 'server is down' error

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GreyFoxx:

DarkDrgn2k: http://pastebin.ca/102569

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GreyFoxx:

DarkDrgn2k: I called that like ./streamlive.pl 9

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** Juski is angry now. think another tuner card is in order.. bye bye NTL ! **

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sphery:

[Jasper]: (Unless things have changed,) If you do 32-bit (as in x86–32), you can use Windows CODEC's for MythVideo. If you go 64-bit, you're limited to native CODEC's.

[17:58:05]

GreyFoxx:

and it spits out the commandline I run to get VLC to tune to channel 9 on my pvr card and fires up the stream

[17:58:36]

DarkDrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: i dont need the tune, i wrote a c proggy to do the tuning via ir :)

[17:58:43]

GreyFoxx:

I had to compile VLC to support the ivtv card, but other than that it works fine

[17:58:51]

GreyFoxx:

DarkDrgn2k: You must pass it an initial setting

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kormoc:

sphery, if you use mplayer/xine compiled in 32 bit mode, you get around that

[17:59:05]

DarkDrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: componenet out :-D

[17:59:07]

GreyFoxx:

after that you can change the channel with anything that talks to the card

[17:59:23]

DarkDrgn2k:

aa see u using pvr.. damit dont have tat installed

[17:59:28]

DarkDrgn2k:

any one know how to add pvr to v4l

[17:59:30]

DarkDrgn2k:

vlc

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GreyFoxx:

DarkDrgn2k: Like I said, I had to compile VLC to support it

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kormoc:

DarkDrgn2k, you could say, ask in the VLC channel or the VLC mailing list

[18:00:35]

sphery:

speedsix: can you pastebin the output (unless it's an error) of:

[18:00:35]

sphery:

zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_NFS

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** sphery hopes Ubuntu does kernel config in config.gz **

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speedsix:

so such file or directory

[18:01:24]

sphery:

guess not

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DarkDrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: ever try running vlc over internet?

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GreyFoxx:

DarkDrgn2k: That's the only reason I use it

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GreyFoxx:

to stream to my office

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speedsix:

sphery, problem with the ubuntu NFS?

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DarkDrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: nice.... what quality is your thing?

[18:02:25]

DarkDrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: like what speed u need

[18:02:29]

GreyFoxx:

According to my wife, my thing is top quality :)

[18:02:36]

DarkDrgn2k:

LmAo

[18:02:47]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh. Well it's configurable. vlc will use the bitrate I tell it

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vanquish:

don't wanna know dude

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DarkDrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: yes but what bit rate do u use

[18:03:08]

sphery:

speedsix: How about

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sphery:

grep CONFIG_NFS /usr/src/linux-`uname -r`/.config

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GreyFoxx:

DarkDrgn2k: I only use 256kbit for streaming to the office

[18:03:21]

DarkDrgn2k:

whats your up

[18:03:27]

GreyFoxx:

256 for video, 64 for audio

[18:03:31]

GreyFoxx:

DarkDrgn2k: 1megabit

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DarkDrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: dam gatta dumb it down :-S stupid dsl only does like .4 (altough im sopposed to have 1)

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speedsix:

sphery, same

[18:03:59]

sphery:

OK.

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sphery:

speedsix: I'm thinking your kernel doesn't have NFS3 support or doesn't have TCP support, but I can't prove it.

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sphery:

You may want to ask on the Ubuntu fora/lists/channels

[18:04:52]

Fnc-1:

GreyFoxx your using vlc, how hard was it to set up?

[18:05:03]

DarkDrgn2k:

Fnc-1: set up easy

[18:05:04]

GreyFoxx:

Fnc-1: trivial really.

[18:05:07]

DarkDrgn2k:

Fnc-1: comand line.. hard

[18:05:13]

speedsix:

sphery, ok no prob, thanks for your help

[18:05:16]

DarkDrgn2k:

Fnc-1: well lots o reading hard :) but the gui is a sinch

[18:05:21]

sphery:

sorry I couldn't help more.

[18:05:21]

GreyFoxx:

but like I said, I only use it from the commandline, for stream to work

[18:05:38]

GreyFoxx:

and sometimes I run it locally here at work to "bounce" the incoming stream to other people in my office

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DarkDrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: tats what im trying ot do.. finally got my IR blaster to work with my sat box :-D

[18:05:51]

speedsix:

later chaps

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sphery:

If all else fails, you can just use Myth protocol streaming for TV and instead of mounting /mnt/myth, mount the separate directories for /mnt/myth/videos and /mnt/myth/pictures or whatever

[18:06:06]

DarkDrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: dvb card doesnt work 100% :-S cant tune it..dam experimental drivers

[18:06:17]

sphery:

Too slow...

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GreyFoxx:

During the olympics I was bringing in the 1 stream and then serving it up from my laptop to like 17 people in the office

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DarkDrgn2k:

use SAMBA it works really nice..

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sphery:

DarkDrgn2k: I've always had terrible performance from Samba compared to NFS (but then again I've heard a system configured for good NFS gives bad SMB/CIFS and vice versa...)

[18:07:35]

GreyFoxx:

samba also uses a lot more CPU than nfs does

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DarkDrgn2k:

yeh? hmm well i use nfs for the frontent-server hook up and smb so moutn my picutres dir

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tank-man:

nfs works for windows?

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DarkDrgn2k:

tank-man: i donno .. maybe.. i use smb for windows

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GreyFoxx:

tank-man: you have to install Unix Services for Windows to use nfs with windows

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DarkDrgn2k:

so i guess u can

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DarkDrgn2k:

10 bucks says it usees more cpu :-P

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sphery:

What's Windows? ;)

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DarkDrgn2k:

sphery: the new virus going aorung..

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sphery:

Oh.

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DarkDrgn2k:

sphery: eats up your system resources..

[18:12:24]

GreyFoxx:

That gaming machine

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sphery:

Hope I don't get it.

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DarkDrgn2k:

sphery: pretends to be a raelyl cool OS

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sphery:

Oh, yeah. For playing Tribes or UT or Battlefield or ...

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DarkDrgn2k:

sphery: something about making you think u need to upgrade too

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DarkDrgn2k:

vlc: unknown option or missing mandatory argument `--http-host=:8002'

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DarkDrgn2k:

Try `vlc --help' for more information.

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DarkDrgn2k:

Damit!

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spiderworm:

hey all, i have this wierd problem with my myth box.... most channels come in just fine, but there are a few channels which my tv can pick up, but my mythbox just gets static

[19:06:39]

spiderworm:

any ideas on what could be causing this?

[19:07:56]

spiderworm:

i noticed some leprechauns in my myth box the other day but i think they were only doing good things in there

[19:08:08]

spiderworm:

at least, that's what the tooth fairy told me

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melunko:

Hi all, does anybody know how can I find the .nuv file specification used by mythtv?

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Juski:

melunko: UTSL

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gardengnome:

maybe the dsmyth filters provide some insight, too. nur beirdo's nuv2avi.

[19:29:21]

Juski:

funny, we had a guy at the show stand asking about .nuv for his Diva video editor project

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sphery:

spiderworm: what channels?

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Fnc-1:

can we start a fight between gardengnome and AngryElf, spiderworm can referee

[19:30:43]

Juski:

can we kick Fnc-1 instead? :-P

[19:30:48]

Fnc-1:

;(

[19:30:54]

Fnc-1:

thats no fun

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** Juski is back off out. done dremeling for now **

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gardengnome:

no fights here.

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spiderworm:

sphery: discovery channel, hallmark channel... cbs....

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Fnc-1:

spiderworm guessing thats over cable?

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sphery:

spiderworm: how are they getting to your Myth box? (Firewire, QAM HDTV tuner, S-video/Composite to encoder)

[19:34:13]

spiderworm:

Fnc-1: yes, cable

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spiderworm:

sphery: i cant remember exactly what it is...... just regular... cable

[19:35:08]

sphery:

OK, so you have the cable connection plugged into a capture card?

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Fnc-1:

cable from the wall.. plugged directly into card

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spiderworm:

yes

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sphery:

OK.

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sphery:

What channel numbers?

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spiderworm:

shpery: 7, 19, 20, 21, 22

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Fnc-1:

i had something like this happen

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Fnc-1:

http://www.nabble.com/Missing-channel-and-fre . . . 1933953.html

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tummyacid:

hello

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sphery:

But channels around those come in fine?

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spiderworm:

sphery: yes

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spiderworm:

8, 9, 18, 23 for example all come in fine

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sphery:

And the channels give pure static (not a picture that has some static)?

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spiderworm:

6 as well :)

[19:39:01]

spiderworm:

sphery: correct

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Fnc-1:

sound?

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spiderworm:

sound is static as well

[19:40:15]

sphery:

can you pastebin the output of

[19:40:16]

sphery:

select channum, freqid from channel where channum in (6, 7, 19, 20, 21, 22);

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sphery:

( http://pastebin.ca/ )

[19:40:37]

spiderworm:

sorry, 6 DOES work so i'll omit that one

[19:40:38]

spiderworm:

you got it

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Fnc-1:

spiderworm.. just currious does it detect the correct tuner for your capture card?

[19:41:11]

CyberKnet:

hey B

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spiderworm:

Fnc-1: ... i think so... actually this card has dual tuners :D

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Fnc-1:

pvr 500

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spiderworm:

Fnc-1: it worked perfectly in Arizona, moving to washington and changing cable providers (obviously) is when the trouble started

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Fnc-1:

did you completely remove your setting in myth setup?

[19:43:07]

sphery:

Any luck on that query output?

[19:43:47]

sphery:

select channum, freqid, sourceid from channel where channum in (6, 7, 19, 20, 21, 22);

[19:43:55]

sphery:

(if you haven't done it, yet)

[19:44:08]

sphery:

Added sourceid, but I don't need it, yet.

[19:44:27]

spiderworm:

yeah, i did the query in phpmyadmin, but it gave output all formatted in an html table

[19:44:42]

spiderworm:

stupid, now i have to go in and get it manually

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sphery:

can you do it from the mysql client?

[19:44:56]

sphery:

It will give plain text.

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sphery:

(use the one with sourceid, please)

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sphery:

Or, if the channum and freqid are all identical for each channel, I don't need to see it.

[19:48:16]

spiderworm:

sphery: http://pastebin.ca/102672

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sphery:

OK. That looks good.

[19:50:55]

sphery:

Can you run the following and tell me if there are any rows output

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sphery:

select channum, freqid, sourceid from channel where channum in (6, 7, 19, 20, 21, 22) and finetune != 0;

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sphery:

None is good

[19:51:16]

spiderworm:

Empty set (0.03 sec)

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sphery:

OK.

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sphery:

So, Let's check your ivtv output (as Fnc-1 suggested). To pastebin:

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sphery:

tac /var/log/messages | sed -n '/= END INIT IVTV =/,/= START INIT IVTV =/p; /= START INIT IVTV =/q' | tac

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Aid`:

how can i automatically strip out the commercials from my shows? Should i first commercial flag, and then transcode? will that get rid of them? I need to know because im runningo ut of space on my hd

[19:54:49]

spiderworm:

http://pastebin.ca/102682

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Fnc-1:

woohoo props

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sphery:

spiderworm: The ivtv output looks good, but it sounds like your tuner module defines VHF_L as ~150MHz when it should be ~180MHz (unless there are additional channels outside the range you gave (7,19,20,21,22) that don't work).

[19:58:44]

Fnc-1:

well there up to 4.6 on ivtv...

[19:58:52]

Fnc-1:

your at 4.2

[19:59:00]

Fnc-1:

4.6 (support for your kernel)

[19:59:03]

sphery:

I'm checking, but I have to untar some updated kernel source...

[19:59:11]

spiderworm:

sphery: how do i fix that?

[20:00:00]

sphery:

spiderworm: do you have a patched kernel?

[20:00:16]

spiderworm:

sphery: *shrug* im just running a stock ubuntu kernel

[20:00:39]

spiderworm:

2.6.12-10–386

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Fnc-1:

spiderworm: id try updateing the firmware and ivtv stuff

[20:01:26]

Fnc-1:

...but thats me

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sphery:

Tuner 68 in kernel 2.6.15–5 is Philips TUV1236D ATSC/NTSC dual in (not a Samsung TCPN).

[20:02:08]

sphery:

If you've patched your kernel source, it may have added one.

[20:02:36]

sphery:

Or, more likely, you're using the tveeprom and tuner modules provided by your version of ivtv--which may disagree with the kernel sources...

[20:04:02]

sphery:

OK. It looks like ivtv 0.4.4 (closest I have to yours without downloading an old one) defines the tuner the same as yours.

[20:04:17]

sphery:

So, you're using tveeprom/tuner from the ivtv files.

[20:04:21]

sphery:

Which should be correct...

[20:04:41]

spiderworm:

man you are talking way above my head right now

[20:05:02]

sphery:

And, the tuner it defines has VHF_L at 130MHz (which, if wrong, would affect channel 16, too)

[20:05:08]

sphery:

Do you have channel 16?

[20:05:26]

spiderworm:

let me double check...

[20:05:47]

spiderworm:

yes i do.... mmmmm pastries!

[20:06:06]

spiderworm:

oh nm thats chicken

[20:06:09]

spiderworm:

still looks good

[20:06:34]

sphery:

what happens if you unload ivtv and reload it with the line "options ivtv tuner=50" in /etc/modprobe.conf?

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spiderworm:

should i kill mythbackend when i do that?

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Fnc-1:

in 4.5 they – Add various new PCI IDs for newer PVR-250 and PVR-150/500 cards to

[20:07:02]

Fnc-1:

improve autodetection.

[20:07:29]

sphery:

Hmmm. Should download that and see if they've changed the definition...

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spiderworm:

modprobe ivtv options ivtv tuner=50 ... returns: FATAL: Error inserting ivtv (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10–386/ivtv/ivtv.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

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spiderworm:

oh... i guess it didnt ... let me try that again

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sphery:

They did change the definition of tuner 68 (Samsung TCPN) between ivtv 0.4.4 and 0.4.6

[20:10:49]

sphery:

The config string changes (and it could cause issues like this...)

[20:11:11]

spiderworm:

sphery: ok i did: modprobe ivtv tuner=50 .... and those channels still dont work

[20:11:22]

Fnc-1:

sphery get the 4.6 thats the newest

[20:11:39]

spiderworm:

whoa, 19 doesnt, but 7 does now!

[20:11:41]

spiderworm:

yay!

[20:11:47]

sphery:

Hmmm.

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sphery:

I would recommend you take that options ivtv line out of /etc/modprobe.conf and upgrade to 0.4.6 (if possible)

[20:12:35]

sphery:

type 50 is wrong for your tuner, but its definition looked like it would get some more of the channels for you...

[20:12:58]

sphery:

It looks like they've corrected your tuner's definition between 0.4.2 (your version) and 0.4.6

[20:13:07]

sphery:

So, 0.4.6 would be better...

[20:13:14]

spiderworm:

sphery: i dont know how to do that... would ubuntu provide a package for ivtv 0.4.6?

[20:13:37]

sphery:

don't know...

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sphery:

Any Ubuntu users around to help?

[20:14:09]

sphery:

If all else fails, you can compile it yourself.

[20:14:16]

sphery:

Much easier than compiling a whole kernel...

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spiderworm:

just config make make install or is it more complicated since its a kernel module?

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sphery:

spiderworm: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu

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sphery:

Note, I've never done that (I don't use Ubuntu--or any other distro--if I can avoid doing so).

[20:15:54]

spiderworm:

cool!

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sphery:

gl

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** sphery goes back to watching his MythTV recordings... **

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spiderworm:

thanks :)

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sigger:

anyone around use the "Parental Control" feature of MythVideo?

[20:21:39]

sigger:

It doesn't seem logical that the same PIN controls access for all 4 levels of Parental Control. Once someone has access to level 2, they have all 4?

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tummyacid:

im using knoppmyth and the backend server is not starting

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Juski:

fscking thread bumpers!

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Aid`:

juski, did you ever do anyhting like i asked before?

[20:29:10]

Juski:

Aid`: what do you mean?

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Aid`:

(14:54:23) Aid`: how can i automatically strip out the commercials from my shows? Should i first commercial flag, and then transcode? will that get rid of them? I need to know because im runningo ut of space on my hd

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Juski:

I really don't recommend you automatically cut commercials out with a transcode. mythtv's commflagging isn't 100% reliable

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mwtb:

I've installed mythtv on my ubuntu laptop connecting to my FC4 server, which is the master server and has the database and files on it. The frontend seems to run fine on the laptop apart from the recordings browser constantly stalling. The console shows a number of errors, like: " NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: myth://127.0.0.1:6543/1006_20060724191500.mpg". It looks like it is trying to thumbnail the videos. Is t

[20:30:22]

mwtb:

here a setting I've missed?

[20:30:25]

Aid`:

but doing edl's

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Aid`:

and mencoder takes forever

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Juski:

Aid`: why do you want to keep so much? if keeping stuff is a priority to you, get a bigger disk

[20:31:04]

Aid`:

well, i want to make it small

[20:31:07]

Aid`:

then put on a dvd

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Aid`:

use as small of space as i can

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tummyacid:

nm i jsut had to start it manaully

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Juski:

if you wanna transcode everything get a faster cpu, too

[20:31:38]

tummyacid:

hey guys i just wanna say that i love mythtv thanks for the help!!!

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Juski:

tummyacid: you should find out how to start mythbackend automagically every time you boot

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sigger:

my knoppmyth starts the backend at boot

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Juski:

Aid`: check the cutlist by editing the recording & pressing Z. if it's ok, then transcode it

[20:33:20]

Juski:

not very much is worth archiving IMHO, so I don't see the point myself

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Juski:

but hey good luck with that

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Aid`:

Juski: giving my sister a birthday present... she doesn't have cable and im recording a favorite show

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j2^:

If i wnat to try out "trunk". DOes that mean my database will be altered into something that 0.19-fixes no longer can understand?

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tummyacid:

what is the command i use to edit the sound levels again please?

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XtaZy:

any mythtv-devel channel?

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tummyacid:

aslamixer is the name

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CyberKnet:

mmmm... salsa

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netrix:

when i start mythtv-backend it tries to connect locally to mysql, but mysql is on another machine. where do i change this?

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netrix:

ah wait ... it's not su'ing to user mythtv me thinks.

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Juski:

Aid`: don't talk about that stuff here. we do not use mythtv to share shows

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Juski:

j2^: yes. back up the db before upgrading or you'll never be able to go back

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kormoc:

XtaZy, yes, #mythtv is the dev channel

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j2^:

Juski: RIght! (Well, i should have realized that i could always restore the database).

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j2^:

ANd i think my PVR-350 now is officially posessed. In addition to m perpetual playback, i now also on occasion can not fast forward.. but i CAN go backwards....

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galorin:

Does the current SVN work, or is there an earlier point that I should dl?

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kormoc:

galorin, use the 0.19-fixes branch

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kormoc:

unless you plan to do development work

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galorin:

the -fixes branch is a new one on me.. haven't updated in-law's mythbox in a while.

[21:00:41]

Juski:

150 programs, using 254 GB (154 hrs 53 mins) out of 458 GB (178 GB free). jeees I need to catch up

[21:02:37]

mwtb:

Hmm... After trying a few themes, I seem to have lost my setup option in the menus.

[21:02:42]

netrix:

anyone running mythtv on ubuntu? having trouble getting the mythbackend init.d script to work.

[21:05:07]

Juski:

mwtb: quit out then run mythfrontend -r

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mwtb:

Juski: Thanks

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netrix:

got it working. don't worry about it. :)

[21:07:11]

Juski:

mwtb: and if you try 'minimalist-wide' ever again remember how to get out of it ;-)

[21:08:49]

Juski:

that's better.. 125 programs, using 212 GB (132 hrs 31 mins) out of 458 GB (212 GB free).

[21:09:02]

Juski:

not much though :-/

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mwtb:

Will do. Next question. I have no sound through the frontend.How do I settt to use ALSA?

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kormoc:

mwtb, check the docs?

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Juski:

anyone here happen to know the xmltvid for the Freeview Film4 ?

[21:14:22]

mwtb:

kormoc: It's more helpfully phrased as "I believe that is in the docs.".I have looked, so I guess I missed it first time through. I'm presuming that you know it's there, of course.

[21:15:20]

Juski:

utils / setup > setup > tv > playback

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Juski:

iirc

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Juski:

no tables?! arrrrrghhhhhhhhh!

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gardengnome:

Juski: parse the .xml files ;) there are some utils do that, too

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kormoc:

mwtb, http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

[21:16:27]

gardengnome:

Juski: somewhere on the web, that is...

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kormoc:

mwtb, check the part under "Using ALSA."

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Juski:

0.19-fixes scanning just doesn't work. god I feel sorry for noobs

[21:17:06]

Juski:

time to add the new channel manually

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: not identified to services?

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mwtb:

kormoc: Indeed. Unfortunately, it fails on the mixer. Thanks anyway.

[21:18:29]

kormoc:

CyberKnet, I am now

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gardengnome:

mwtb: enter 'default' there

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CyberKnet:

;)

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mwtb:

gardengnome: Thanks, I'll give it a try.

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kormoc:

mwtb, most people just leave it using the oss mixer, as that works without any changes even with alsa output

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mwtb:

gardengnome: default works. Thanks very much.

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spiderworm:

sphery: all those channels work now. thanks a ton for your help

[21:24:54]

spiderworm:

soo which mythtv expert here lives near puyallup washington and wants to come over to my house to help me get the output to cover the entire screen? :D

[21:25:06]

podzap:

hey, is imdb.pl supposed to do lookups on dvd iso images?

[21:25:13]

Juski:

spiderworm: it's more an xorg & tv out expert you need

[21:25:43]

Juski:

podzap: it does its best according to the name you give the file. sheesh

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spiderworm:

Juski: if im running nvidia drivers, do i also want an nvidia overlay expert

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Juski:

spiderworm: I mean this with the best of intent, but do try harder

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gardengnome:

spiderworm: if you're using regular tv-out, just try nvidia-settings

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Juski:

nvidia-settings

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spiderworm:

Juski: i dont think its xorg/tv out expert i need because the picture covers the screen normally

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CyberKnet:

xris: do you get your co2 refilled at an AirGas place?

[21:26:32]

Juski:

move the overscan slidy thing til the screen is filled

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spiderworm:

will try

[21:26:59]

Juski:

anyway I'm confused

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podzap:

Juski: so it's according to filename, e.g. not an intelligent script which could parse a dvd header from within the iso image...

[21:27:14]

podzap:

Juski: might be time for me to code one up!

[21:27:28]

Juski:

you say "help me get the output to cover the entire screen?" and then "help me get the output to cover the entire screen?" ... wtf, spiderworm???

[21:27:56]

** gardengnome presents Juski a nice selection of cluebats **

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Juski:

damn... you say "because the picture covers the screen normally" after "help me get the output to cover the entire screen?" .. what?

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kormoc:

Juski, it's likely aspect ratio issues

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spiderworm:

ok, will explain better

[21:28:18]

kormoc:

Juski, his recording likely has black bars around it

[21:28:28]

Juski:

yes, good idea, and one to use by default in future

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spiderworm:

any normal computer usage, the tv is covered completely

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Juski:

right...

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kormoc:

spiderworm, did you try pressing the change aspect ratio button?

[21:29:00]

spiderworm:

when watching myth recordings, the tv is not covered completely

[21:29:19]

spiderworm:

kormoc: sorry, where is that button?

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Juski:

so there's a gap at the top, or one of the sides...

[21:29:24]

Juski:

W

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spiderworm:

Juski: on the left side and the bottom there is a gap

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kormoc:

aye, w goes though them

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Juski:

small gaps?

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spiderworm:

Juski: about an inch

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Juski:

whah?

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spiderworm:

(on a 52 inch screen)

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Juski:

ah

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Juski:

you need more overscan

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Juski:

you using svideo on a 52" screen?

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spiderworm:

Juski: ive been increasing that (was already at 11 so i had apparently changed it in the past) but it makes the right side and the top disappear too much

[21:30:56]

spiderworm:

Juski: yes

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Juski:

omfg

[21:31:17]

Juski:

does the tv not have dvi/vga inputs?

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spiderworm:

... ummmm

[21:31:33]

** spiderworm googles **

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Juski:

that'll look fucking horrible.

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kormoc:

wow

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kormoc:

spiderworm, is it a HD tv?

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Juski:

RF antenna feed < composite < svideo < rgb/component < vga < dvi (ish)

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netrix:

those of using ivtv, do you need to specify any module options or does the autodetect work for you?

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spiderworm:

kormoc: yes

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kormoc:

spiderworm, if it doesn't have component or vga or dvi, return it :P

[21:33:06]

spiderworm:

i better get the manual :)

[21:33:30]

xris:

CyberKnet: lately, centralwelding.com

[21:34:53]

CyberKnet:

xris: thanks =)

[21:35:04]

CyberKnet:

I saw a posting online saying AirGas also do exchanges.

[21:35:49]

xris:

ahh

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CyberKnet:

Trying to determine how to go about putting together a keg system sfely for the least $ ... also read that some welding places don't exchange tanks that they didn't sell... so I need to do a little legwork and find out if that is the case at the local airgas place here

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spiderworm:

ok... i have a "pc in" input.... hdmi ... and component video

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xris:

kormoc: I would return it if it only had component, too.. analog HD seems silly

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spiderworm:

i dont see vga or dvi

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xris:

spiderworm: hdmi == dvi + audio, you can get adapters

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kormoc:

spiderworm, aye, I'd get the hdmi adapter and run dvi, and you'd get pure digital video that way. To the mythbox, it would act like a monitor and be all pretty

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spiderworm:

xris: it looks like there's stereo inputs for the hdmi if the audio is not included in hdmi

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spiderworm:

oooh pretty

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xris:

spiderworm: cool

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spiderworm:

man, i cant tell which outputs this vid card has....

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Juski:

maybe just VGA

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kormoc:

spiderworm, does it have a white plug or a blue plug or both?

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spiderworm:

both

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spiderworm:

as well as svideo

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Juski:

oh shit. I need to add a new dvb channel, webmin is broke. phpmyadmin won't install :-/

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kormoc:

spiderworm, does the white one look like this one: http://www.hardwarezone.com/img/data/articles . . . dvi_port.jpg

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Juski:

so you have DVI too then

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CyberKnet:

stupid wireless. too bad you can't just use a propane tank for co2 =P"

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spiderworm:

kormoc:

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spiderworm:

er, kormoc: yes

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kormoc:

spiderworm, congratz, you have dvi :P

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spiderworm:

soooo i find an adapter somewhere that goes from dvi to hdmi ....

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kormoc:

yes

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spiderworm:

will walmart have that?

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kormoc:

there's a chance it might, but likely not

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spiderworm:

im new around here... we have a best buy and a compusa... and a small hometown electronics shop....

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kormoc:

you could always call and ask

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spiderworm:

i suppose so

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CyberKnet:

xris: does your co2 system have a needle valve?

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xris:

CyberKnet: valve? not sure. would need a photo

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kormoc:

CyberKnet, well, it needs a valve and needle valves are rather common

[21:45:14]

CyberKnet:

kormoc: It would already have a dual or single guage regulator

[21:45:37]

CyberKnet:

the co2 system that the homebrew place here sells doesn't have a separate needle valve

[21:46:01]

kormoc:

CyberKnet, well, yes, but there's a valve on the bottle so you can hook/unhook the bottle from the regulator on the fly

[21:46:02]

netrix:

ne1 know why my channels would be off by one, and i get all kinds of flicker when watching live tv?

[21:46:04]

CyberKnet:

xris: cylindrical, aboutt the length of your thumb, with a dial on it. probably has a barb output

[21:46:17]

netrix:

myth 0.19, ivtv driver w/ pvr 500mce.

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: yes. I figured the one on the bottle... I was just meaning between the keg and the regulator

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** CyberKnet loves his pvr-500 **

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** spiderworm loves hi pvr-500 too **

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kormoc:

ooh! on that side, I don't think he does. The keg has a one-way valve on it anyway, so there isn't a need to have another one

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spiderworm:

s/hi/his

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: well, is his regulator dual stage... or single stage?

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kormoc:

CyberKnet, I would imagine single, but that I don't know off hand

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** kormoc peers at xris. **

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CyberKnet:

I was reading that ify ou only have a single stage regulator then a needle valve on that side was required to stop an increase in pressure as the tank got emptier

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CyberKnet:

or something to that effect

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CyberKnet:

I didn't understand the need for it, but I also dont exactly have a degree in fluid dynamics either.

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CyberKnet:

=)

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kormoc:

heh, yeah... that doesn't make sense to me eather, unless they're talking bout a reverse flow from the keg back to the co2 tank

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Juski:

arghh you bastard webmin! wrong syntax for mysql4

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Juski:

SQL select * from `channel` limit 0

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Juski:

duh

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kormoc:

I bet that ran very fast

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: I don't know, sorry. If I find the resource again I'll send it your way. You may have a better handle on these things than me.

[21:52:51]

kormoc:

heh, yeah, I'd be interested in reading bout that

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xris:

CyberKnet: then no

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melunko:

Hello there, does anybody know if mythtv .nuv file has video keyframe flag information?

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Juski:

film4 now works, yay

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Juski:

melunko: if it's mpeg4 nuv then yeah

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Juski:

oops maybe not

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Juski:

stuff like that is in the recordedmarkup table

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melunko:

Juski: recordedmarkup table is inside .nuv format?

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Hoxzer:

:( I'm totally noob in doing PHP

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melunko:

I looked for .nuv format info, but I didn't find any docs

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Juski:

melunko: no I mean in the database

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Ediehow:

this is driving me NUTS

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Ediehow:

i think a person living near me has a remote interfering with mine

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melunko:

Juski: I'm using ffmpeg to demux mythtv mpeg4 .nuv files, but ffmpeg doesn't say if each frame is keyframe or not

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melunko:

Juski: If this information is inside .nuv format, I could solve this problem im ffmpeg

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melunko:

But .nuv format is not documented so farl

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Juski:

melunko: it's not proper a nuppelvideo container .. it was modified

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xris:

melunko: .nuv docs are the mythtv code.

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xris:

and there's a bit of information in nuvexport's nuvinfo library

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xris:

melunko: ffmpeg won't help you with what you're doing. there's a REASON that nuv was chosen over other container formats like avi. demux/remux will usually result in completely out-of-sync audio.

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emja:

i'm trying to import a dvd but I get no audio. the DVD plays fine in the same player (incl audio) and other dvds play and import successfully. it's just on this one that I can't get any audio. any ideas?

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emja:

I've tried all combinations of audio tracks, ac3 enabled/disabled, etc. The audio is fine on preview, but then won't import correctly

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emja:

btw, both preview and import are with consistent settings

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podzap:

where are you supposed to see the tv listings in the front end? first under manage recordings, or what?

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podzap:

i can see them in my mythweb on the backend, but not in my front-end

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podzap:

but i can see listings on the front-end if i search for them

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melunko:

xris,Juski: thanks, I will see the code

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RandomDude15:

hey.

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RandomDude15:

how come when I watch recordings while they record? It will never let open it in avidemux.

[23:04:52]

RandomDude15:

That just pisses me off.

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GreyFoxx:

What do you mean? After the recording is done, and after you have stopped watching it you can't open itin avidemux ?

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RandomDude15:

when it's done.

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GreyFoxx:

What kind of capture card ?

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RandomDude15:

PVR 150.

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RandomDude15:

I'm using MythTv 0.19 as well on Kubuntu 6.06.

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GreyFoxx:

So, to both. Recording is done AND you are not in the middle of playing it, avidemux wont open it ?

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CyberKnet:

why would you want to open something that is still recording in avidemux?

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RandomDude15:

It's NOT recording when I'm trying to open it.

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RandomDude15:

It's finished recording.

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GreyFoxx:

And the second half of whatI asked ?

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GreyFoxx:

Are you still in the middle of playing it ?

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RandomDude15:

No.

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GreyFoxx:

or is that over as well

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

ThenI can't think of a single thing that could cause it

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GreyFoxx:

What error does it give you ?

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RandomDude15:

could not open file

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CyberKnet:

So then your REAL question was "Why can I not open a finished MPEG2 recording in Avidemux?"

[23:08:22]

RandomDude15:

yes.

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GreyFoxx:

That literally the sum total of whatit says ? "could not open file" ?

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CyberKnet:

RandomDude15: This is not meant to be offensive.. but you should know your original question in no way represented what you really wanted to know.

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RandomDude15:

I can also play it fine in VLC and Myth.

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: does Avidemux do file content detection, or does it just go off of the extension?

[23:12:03]

GreyFoxx:

no idea

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GreyFoxx:

It's always worked fine for me

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CyberKnet:

RandomDude15: You might try renaming the file (or making a copy of it) with the extension mpg

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CyberKnet:

instead of nuv

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RandomDude15:

it is mpg.

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GreyFoxx:

He;s using 0.19,and a pvr150 so it's already a mpg

[23:13:03]

RandomDude15:

yeah.

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CyberKnet:

aha

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Led-Hed:

when I upload a .gif file it says the MIME: type = text/plain

[23:13:30]

Led-Hed:

ouch. sorry wrong channel.

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CyberKnet:

Led-Hed: heh. When I look in my glass, the color is green ;)

[23:14:11]

Led-Hed:

hey CyberKnet long time no speak

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CyberKnet:

Led-Hed: Yep. Home sick, so on IRC. Go figure.

[23:14:31]

Led-Hed:

lol

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Led-Hed:

sad is IRC makes you feel at home..

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Led-Hed:

what you been up to?

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CyberKnet:

getting a water cooled set up for my PC, and getting a keg system for my brewing.

[23:17:11]

CyberKnet:

Not necessarily in that order... still figuring it out.

[23:17:25]

CyberKnet:

the keg system would be cheaper =P" Which is kind of sad.

[23:21:34]

CyberKnet:

You know, I hate it when you are looking for a particular product, and the first place you find for it is the cheapest... then you waste a *whole* bunch of time trying to find a cheaper price.

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CyberKnet:

Especially if the first place is a local store... because almost universally they're not cheaper than online, so you're just *sure* there has to be a cheaper place online.

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CyberKnet:

hah! someon's trying to sell two corny kegs on ebay for $99 PLUS shipping

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CyberKnet:

heh

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CyberKnet:

suuuuuuure

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podzap:

any other sp8000e owners here?

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CCFL_Man:

well hello

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CCFL_Man:

those linksys media center extenders

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CCFL_Man:

anyone have one?

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CCFL_Man:

i guess not

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CCFL_Man:

i want to try to get linux running on it

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CCFL_Man:

and use the damn thing for a useful purpose

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podzap:

hehe

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mchou:

CCFL_Man: do you have one in your possession?

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nomin:

when I record with mythtv it's not recording any sound. Any suggestions for a solution to this?

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Beirdo:

xris, did you know that computers work better when the CPU is actually properly in the slot?

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Beirdo:

s/slot/socket/

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Beirdo:

my windows box is now working... with a new PCI-Express el-cheapo X300 SE

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Beirdo:

and with the AMD64 3200+ reseated in the socket.

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nomin:

I tried using both mp3 and and the raw options for audio, but I'm still not getting any sound when I play a recording.

[23:48:10]

Beirdo:

seems that the bumpiness of the journey caused the heatsink to torque the CPU out of the socket.

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mchou:

Beirdo: man, you actually shipped with the heatsink on??

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Beirdo:

yeah, all of my computers

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Beirdo:

it was the only properly packaged machine to have ANY issue

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mchou:

Beirdo: ever heard of cracked cores? :)

[23:49:34]

Beirdo:

ever heard of insurance?

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gardengnome:

ever heard of heat spreaders? ;)

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Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

it's an AMD64, it doesn't need much

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CCFL_Man:

mchou: not yet, i want to see if i could put linux on it

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gardengnome:

that amd 64 of yours does have one ;)

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mchou:

Beirdo: you need insurance against stupidity

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CCFL_Man:

it's made from a set top box reference design which i'm trying to find

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Anduin:

podzap: The imdb lookup is based on the file name, not the contents.

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Beirdo:

mchou: you need insurance against trout

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Beirdo:

!trout mchou

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gardengnome:

CCFL_Man: got any pictures of the PCB?

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CCFL_Man:

gardengnome: i can't find any, unfortunately

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CCFL_Man:

i know it uses an ATI Xillean

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gardengnome:

take some then, but i won't be much of a help identifying it

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gardengnome:

or call their user support ;)

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CCFL_Man:

when i get some cash i'm going to buy one

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podzap:

Anduin: when i play an iso image, i don't get any imdb lookup or info

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CCFL_Man:

lol

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gardengnome:

CCFL_Man: ah, you don't have one yet, sorry

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Anduin:

podzap: Play time != lookup time

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nomin:

anyone else have sound issues with mythtv? I get sound when I'm watching live tv but there's no sound when I play back a recording.

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CCFL_Man:

i want to make this stb an actual useful device

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gardengnome:

nomin: when you watch livetv, is the sound like 2 seconds ahead of the video?

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mchou:

nomin: perhaps the reason nobody has answered you is because this is covered in the docs

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nomin:

gardengnome: the sound is not in sync with the video, but I'm pretty sure that's because I have a bt878

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CCFL_Man:

gardengnome: just imagine, making this extender open like the dd-wrt routers, possibilities are endless

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gardengnome:

nomin: no, that's because your mixer is configured inproperly, but that's covered in the docs

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nomin:

gardengnome: so I should be able to watch live tv with the audio and video in sync?

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gardengnome:

nomin: yes.

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nomin:

I hope so. That would be a good thing. However, when i record on windows, the audio strays away from the video after about 20 minutes. I have a hauppauge winTV Go-plus. I don't know if it will work better on linux, but I hope it does.

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gardengnome:

it should :)

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