Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, July 24th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Fnc:

Juski: using any cheap all in one, good front ends?

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Juski:

www.juski.co.uk/s100

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tjcarter:

I think the V-day thing and the setup for it was the coolest I've seen yet.

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Juski:

webshite needs work though

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Fnc:

cool – how much those run?

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Juski:

about £30 plus shipping. in the US you'd be better getting an MSNTV2 but it'll only play standard def. tv AFAIK

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** GreyFoxx is using several http://cgi.ebay.com/RCA-RM4100-MSNTV-2-INTERN . . . cmdZViewItem **

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Fnc:

gotcha! that box got some wierd hardware? only do pal or something? or just hard to find in the US?

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Juski:

laga: lol @ that linky

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GreyFoxx:

Fnc: It's not sold in north america

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Juski:

Fnc: cost a fortune to ship to the USA.. or Canada for that matter (sorry GreyFoxx ;-) )

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Fnc:

got cha

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GreyFoxx:

But the MSNTV2 is almost identical for $19USD or so

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GreyFoxx:

http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2006/03-05-MSNTV-MythTV& is one of mine opened up

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** Juski counts on his fingers.. so that's erm... lemme see. 7 hours sleep this weekend. crap **

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GreyFoxx:

Silent, no moving parts

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GreyFoxx:

low power,low heat,10/100 ethernet,usb2,svideo+composite

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Fnc:

heh.. looks like you could break that mb with your pinkys

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GreyFoxx:

128megs of ram, and celeronn 733

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GreyFoxx:

it's the same thickness as a regular mb :)

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Fnc:

hmmn looks like a spot where you might be able to add a pci card...

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Fnc:

know of any hacks for that?

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GreyFoxx:

You can add an IDE port, that is a spot for a PCI header

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GreyFoxx:

I've added the IDE port on my "dev" one just cause I was bored one night

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Zide:

GreyFoxx: neat :D

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Fnc:

get a right angle PCI port soldered one.. and maybe get something in there, that could pump out hidef

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GreyFoxx:

There is also a spot for a VGA header, but it's missing a couple components and noone has posted a list

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Zide:

GreyFoxx: no tuner I suppose?

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GreyFoxx:

The only HDTV you will be doing would be by using some sort off offboard decompression. The 733 isn't beefy enough to do it

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Fnc:

ahh

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GreyFoxx:

FNC the gpu chip can do it

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GreyFoxx:

but the drivers don't support XvMC

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Fnc:

if like to find a cheap answer for FE that could handle it...

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GreyFoxx:

Zide: Nope

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Fnc:

hmm anyone upgrade the cpu on those yet?

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** tjcarter is hoping that with the '500 this Sempron 2200+ will be fine for most things **

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GreyFoxx:

but you could either do the PCI thing (at your own risk)

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GreyFoxx:

OR use a USB tuner

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Juski:

anyone in the UK fancy selling ready-built mythtv boxen? you definitely have a market :)

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Zide:

GreyFoxx: damn.. that would be the only thing I'd miss.. well, that and a SATA connector ;)

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tjcarter:

the biggest favor I think I can do myself is to move to SATA as soon as possible

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GreyFoxx:

Fnc: It'ssurface mounted,have fun removing itand adding a new one :)

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qfx:

Juski: I use XBoxen as mythfrontends with great success

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qfx:

Of course, I did remember to install Samba, so I guess that helps

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GreyFoxx:

Zide: Use it as a frontend, leave the storage and tuners to a seperate backend :)

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Fnc:

i got a 16 port sata raid card... im just waiting for drive prices to come down a bit more

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Juski:

qfx: and you don't want to smash it up because it's so slow in mythfrontend?

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Zide:

GreyFoxx: I want all in one box

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qfx:

Juski: I use the xbmcmythtv

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GreyFoxx:

Zide: Use the IDE port

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Zide:

GreyFoxx: for a tuner..?

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Juski:

qfx: totally different story that xbmcmythtv.. that's quite spiffy when it works

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GreyFoxx:

Zide: USB tuner, or add a PCI header and hope it works :)

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qfx:

Juski: and it works awesome. The only thing it's not 100% on is live TV, and I don't use live tv much. (as in I watch it ON the tv if it's live)

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qfx:

Juski: Yah, I couldn't imagine getting linux + myth working on the xbox, I tried once and it just seemed like 10x too much hassel as well

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GreyFoxx:

I'm seriously tempted to add a laptop HD and a PCI header+pvr card to my dev one and give it to the mother in law

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Zide:

GreyFoxx: well, I COULD do a hack, but I'd prefer a finished solution ;)

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qfx:

GreyFoxx: Do you have MSNTV2 player set up for mythfrontend?!?

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GreyFoxx:

qfx: Ihave 4 of them

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Juski:

if I'd had an internet connection on the stand I coulda installed samba.. but I was running breezy on it and nobody had cds for that (natch)

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GreyFoxx:

3 active frontends, 1 on my workbench

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qfx:

GreyFoxx: Wow, they seem like a tremendously good solution. How hard are they to set up?

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GreyFoxx:

Not very, imho

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GreyFoxx:

Mine allnetboot

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Fnc:

yeah for std def.. id like to get something good to go for hidef

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GreyFoxx:

I have a kernel on the CF card , and it nfs mounts / et all

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GreyFoxx:

I'll be concerned about HDTV when I have something capable of viewing it :L)

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Fnc:

got cha

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** Juski will get concerned about HDTV in 2012 or so **

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Zide:

;)

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Fnc:

GreyFoxx they come with a remote?

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qfx:

GreyFoxx: Yah, I don't have HDTV either, but the netboot works well? I suppose you just have an image that's specific to them?

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Zide:

hdtv is no concern for me.. but the emulators might be..

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GreyFoxx:

they do,but it's tied directly into the IR PS2 connector. So they are basically an extension of the keyboard

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qfx:

GreyFoxx: I've never set up netboot, so I'm curious

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Juski:

qfx: you can netboot that way with lots of things.. or if the BIOS supports it use PXEboot

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GreyFoxx:

qfx: I use a unique / and /var but eveyrthing else is shared

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GreyFoxx:

usr /home etc

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Fnc:

GreyFoxx: they work well with myth? not sure what you mean? they use the ps2 connection on the back? or is the remote tired to the keyboard

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qfx:

GreyFoxx: Cool. It would be worth the $20 just to play around with it. Have you posted a "how to"?

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GreyFoxx:

The remote, and theIR keyboard are both hardwired into the PS2 port. The Remote is no different than using the keyboard, so no LIRC stuff to deal with

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Juski:

there's a wiki

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GreyFoxx:

I don't use the remotes

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GreyFoxx:

no enough buttons for me

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Juski:

meh.. just kernel hacking or xmodmap

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Fnc:

got cha

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GreyFoxx:

I use Universal learning IR remotes ($20 or so) and I just "teach" them the IR keyboard codes for myth's controls :)

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GreyFoxx:

qfx: There was a wiki page up,last I heard it was down

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GreyFoxx:

looks like it's still down

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GreyFoxx:

some hardware problems on the box that are being resolved

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qfx:

GreyFoxx: damn. So your CF has a / that has enough to get the boot loader out of a server, and then /home and /usr etc. all get mounted from NFS? So I imagine you just have a script that auto-starts mythfrontened on these units

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qfx:

Dammit, I wish that linux supported RDP

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Zide:

4hm, no msntv for sale in .se it seems :P

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qfx:

(as a the server)

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Zide:

-4

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GreyFoxx:

qfx: yes, I have my own myth+x+etc init scripts

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tjcarter:

I sortof have considered doing the CF / with Myth

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GreyFoxx:

the CF has just 2 files, kernel and a cmdline file for the commandline kernel arguments I pass it which include where to nfs mount /

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tjcarter:

I don't know if I'd want to do it with KnoppMyth which I think could do it, and I don't know if I could easily do it with Ubuntu

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qfx:

GreyFoxx: well, at least I understand how it works out, congrats on getting it set up

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Aid`:

anyone in here have an WinTV GO plus?

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** Juski saw linux running on a Nintendo DS today **

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GreyFoxx:

root@fe1:/home/mythtv# mount -t msdos /dev/hda1 m

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GreyFoxx:

root@fe1:/home/mythtv# cat m/cmdline

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GreyFoxx:

root=/dev/nfs init=/sbin/init mem=126M nfsroot=192.168.0.10:/tftpboot/fe1 ip=bootp vga=791 video=intelfb

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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GreyFoxx:

meant for that to go into pastebin :)

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: How much ram do those have ?:)

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Zide:

hahaa, I know your local IP now ;D

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The_Tick:

is there anyone named nigel pearson here?

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GreyFoxx:

Zide: I don't hide that sort of thing :) If you look through the logs of this channel I'm sure it appears hundreds of times :)

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Zide:

;)

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: erm I think the guy said about 4MB or something

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** laga doesn't even hide his external ip ;) **

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Zide:

I prefer to have .1. rather than .0.

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GreyFoxx:

hell, I handed out my home IP not even 20 minutes ago in here :)

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Aid`:

How come my IR Receiver can only pickup the remote that came with it? And not other remotes such as my directv one?

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Zide:

my ip is visible on irc all the time ;D

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Juski:

also saw a couple of demoscene demos.. the things you can do with 28k in assembler!!

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GreyFoxx:

Aid`: There are different IR standards, maybe your receiver can only "See" that one ?:)

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Zide:

not even "hidden" behind a host

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Aid`:

well GreyFoxx that is stupid! :P

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GreyFoxx:

Zide: I use to have 2 private networks in my household, and they were seperated by agateway, so I just kept using .0 :)

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Juski:

Aid`: not stupid at all. a lot of tuner cards have 'intelligent' IR receivers.. i.e. a little CPU doing the decoding & timing so the PC doesn't have to

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Aid`:

i guess

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Juski:

Aid`: get a programmable remote, then you can have just _one_ remote for everything in one place

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Juski:

a lot of remotes that come with tuner cards are crap anyway. credit card sized, ugly, small buttons....

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Aid`:

too bad i can't find a remote IR signals list so i could just use that with my IR Blaster :/

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Aid`:

mine is nicely sized

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Juski:

Aid`: if you have a spare serial port...

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Juski:

http://www.lirc.org/receivers.html

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Zide:

which reminds me, I haven't finished soldering my receiver yet

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Aid`:

Juski: like i konw anything about that!

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** Juski forsees himself trying to blag a half day off work tomorrow.. and another for tuesday **

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Juski:

Aid`: Like I knew anything about that before I knew about it :-P

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Juski:

"I need to take some time off.. my mythtv backend has died..."

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Juski:

random query... any of you folks know if there are skills workshops for oss folks who want to improve say.. their presentation techniques?

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The_Tick:

go take a community college course on public speaking

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laga:

random, but not without a valid reason? :)

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The_Tick:

or something like that

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Juski:

a few people congratulated me but I felt like I died on that stage twice

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Juski:

now suddenly everyone is looking fwd to seeing the video :-P

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tjcarter:

ROFL: Ubuntu, which is an ancient African word meaning “can’t install Debian”.

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Juski:

I actually overheard a debian guy at the show moan that they sold more tshirts in one day last year than they did over the whole weekend this year

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tjcarter:

Juski: over the popularity of Ubuntu?

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Juski:

The_Tick: I thought about the local college.. but I've read about stabbings & stuff there in the local paper

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The_Tick:

eh

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Juski:

tjcarter: don't think so.. but it'd figure I suppose

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Juski:

The_Tick: yeh the local college is pretty rough

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tjcarter:

Juski: As a Debian escapee, I can say concretely that Debian has just become too bogged down in trying to be perfect while being all things to all people. Doesn't work

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Dagmar:

I thought Ubuntu was Afrikaans for "cleavage"

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tjcarter:

the continuation of what Debian was--the universal OS--these days is Ubuntu. It's too bad that the real spirit of Debian is now GnomeOS, but that's just what's happened.

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Juski:

nice frontage.. shame about the...

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tjcarter:

now if they would fix their damned Myth packages ;)

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Dagmar:

heh

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Juski:

I missed my chance to quiz them about that :-/

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tjcarter:

Ubuntu has 0.18 and it's borked.

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Dagmar:

I'd go fix it for them, 'cept I've never come across any documentation about .deb construction

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a courage trout on behalf of xris... **

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xris:

Dagmar: they've had offers. they refuse to update the packages

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: I can help with that.

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xris:

there's a bug in their bugzilla about it

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Dagmar:

xris: Well, if that's the case then fuck 'em

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tjcarter:

what'd they do, pull their myth packages from Debian unstable at a time when it was particularly so?

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tjcarter:

Honestly, I would request they either fix them or pull them

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Juski:

thanks for that xris. might help the presentations too ;-)

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tjcarter:

hmm, I need Myth to learn how to stuff an iPod

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tjcarter:

also provide a daap server =)

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xris:

tjcarter: nuvexport's ipod exporter now works properly

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xris:

assuming you have a recent enough copy of ffmpeg

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xris:

and gtkpod works great

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tjcarter:

yeah, but gtkpod isn't quite the right interface in the context of Myth

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xris:

true

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tjcarter:

I mean, I know I could just create the menu item..

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tjcarter:

and I meant audio--I have a nano =)

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xris:

ah

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tjcarter:

a nano that will probably run RockBox as soon as I get off my ass correct some DRM issues on about four tracks.

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xris:

I got a video ipod last week. figured I'd finally fix all of the problems the ipod exporter had

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tjcarter:

nah, I just want to move the media stuff pretty much off my iMac completely.

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xris:

ah. well, itunes still has the best interface for ipods

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Juski:

omfg. who's that ugly bastard? http://www.flickr.com/photos/leejordan/196306 . . . 94208108256/

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xris:

is that you?

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Juski:

yep

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Juski:

pool of lots of lugradiolive photos is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sebpayne/1959345 . . . gradio-live/

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Juski:

oops. http://www.flickr.com/groups/lugradio-live/pool/

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tjcarter:

is there an easy way to tell myth to transcode something it didn't before?

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Juski:

just re-queue the job?

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tjcarter:

great

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tjcarter:

how do I do that? =)

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xris:

tjcarter: right-arrow in the recording list

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xris:

job options

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tjcarter:

ahh, thanks

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sadawson:

hi all last night I managed to get mythtv backend running on one of my machine

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sadawson:

how is that I get clients to connect now

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xris:

Sakarnix: error messages?

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Sakarnix:

It says it cant connect to the backend server

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xris:

Sakarnix: is the backend running? did you configure its ip properly? What does the console log say?

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Sakarnix:

When I restart the backend server?

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Sakarnix:

ahh wait a minute I think the backend server binds to 127.0.0.1 by default does it not

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xris:

it binds to the ip you entered into mythtv-setup the first time you ran it

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tjcarter:

Sakarnix: what are you running the backend on?

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Aid`:

i need a quick answer, if im manually recording somethign how do i put 'details'

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tjcarter:

Sakarnix: Debian-derived systems (KnoppMyth and Ubuntu) are going to need you to restart MySQL with skip-networking commented out of /etc/mysql/my.cnf

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Aid`:

Smallville – "Commencement – A nightmare leads Clark to begin to understand why he was sent to Earth and he seeks counsel from Jor-El, who warns him that he must reunite the three crystals immediately or a disaster of epic proportions will befall the planet."

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Aid`:

how do i put A nightmare leads Clark to begin to understand why he was sent to Earth and he seeks counsel from Jor-El, who warns him that he must reunite the three crystals immediately or a disaster of epic proportions will befall the planet. in the details part

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tjcarter:

Aid`: probably requires a database cmdline

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Aid`:

darn

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Aid`:

nvm then

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tjcarter:

better would be to learn how to do that since it can't be that hard =)

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** tjcarter can't tell you how b/c he doesn't know offhand **

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Aid`:

i only got a few minutes

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Aid`:

i dont have time to mess around :P

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tjcarter:

you can do it afterward

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enterusername:

hi all

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enterusername:

anyone using the IR Blaster

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enterusername:

with PVR-150?

[01:45:21]

enterusername:

with the 0.8.0 on a kernel 2.6.16?

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tjcarter:

Sakarnix: also, there are two things in your backend setup that are probably 127.0.0.1, you need to change them to an external IP

[01:47:34]

Zide:

is it normal for the ceiling light to flicker when a PSU is turned on? :P

[01:48:34]

Sakarnix:

ahaha

[01:48:39]

Sakarnix:

thats one beefy psu you got

[01:49:24]

Zide:

300W

[01:49:36]

Zide:

trying to get my old mb to live again

[01:49:48]

Sakarnix:

ok I can now connect to the backend but it says mythtv is already using all avalible inputs for recording?

[01:49:49]

Sakarnix:

now what?

[01:50:12]

Sakarnix:

You cant tell me that you can only have one person watching tv per tuner card?

[01:50:49]

Agrajag-:

watch the recording instead of live tv

[01:50:59]

Sakarnix:

there are no recordings?

[01:51:09]

Agrajag-:

change the group (press m)

[01:51:59]

Sakarnix:

othing

[01:52:01]

Sakarnix:

nothing

[01:52:18]

Zide:

Sakarnix: you can only listen to one radio station per radio, and only watch one channel at a time on a tv, so why wouldn't you be limited to one person watching tv per tuner?

[01:52:20]

GreyFoxx:

A card can only tune to one channel/stream at a time, but myth lets others see the inprogress "livetv" recording and watch it

[01:52:43]

Agrajag-:

Sakarnix: if you're using 0.19, all live tv gets recorded to the live tv group

[01:52:53]

Sakarnix:

ok

[01:52:58]

Agrajag-:

if you want other people to watch it, view that group and watch that recording

[01:53:03]

Agrajag-:

that isn't a very smart way of doing it though

[01:53:10]

Sakarnix:

I just put the server up yesterday

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Agrajag-:

because if the person watching live presses cancel, the recording will stop

[01:53:16]

Dagmar:

It's jsut misconfigured.

[01:53:29]

Agrajag-:

so the other person will only be able to watch up to that point

[01:53:38]

Dagmar:

If it's not recording and it's saying ther'es no tuners available, then it's time to go back into mythtv-setup and actually define a tuner card

[01:53:41]

Agrajag-:

it's better to just record stuff you want to watch and watch recordings

[01:54:03]

Dagmar:

You don't have to do anything other than just pick the "Watch TV" option to watch TV

[01:54:43]

Sakarnix:

Dagmar this machine has no cards in it but

[01:54:54]

Sakarnix:

I want to watch the stream from another machine

[01:55:11]

Dagmar:

Then select the record it's making and don't go past realtime

[01:55:41]

Sakarnix:

This is the problem I am having when I go to recordings its empty

[01:55:42]

GreyFoxx:

Sakarnix: So that other machine is either "Watching tv" or in the middle of recording something right now ?

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Dagmar:

...although frankly I was under the impression that Watch TV should *still* go to the tuner in the backend

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Sakarnix:

GreyFoxx its watching live tv

[01:56:25]

GreyFoxx:

Sakarnix: Then you should like they suggested be able to change the group to LiveTV and see the current livetv "recordings" you can attach too and watch

[01:56:35]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: You are right,it does

[01:57:06]

GreyFoxx:

Sakarnix: You are using 0.19+ right ?

[01:57:13]

Dagmar:

If it's not recording you should be able to just pick the "Watch TV" option

[01:57:37]

GreyFoxx:

Yeahnormally, but he said the othermachine is watching livetv already

[01:57:47]

GreyFoxx:

so he just has to join into the current livetv stream

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Dagmar:

Yep

[01:57:58]

GreyFoxx:

(This is why we all buy multiple tuners hehe)

[01:58:08]

Dagmar:

Yep.

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Zide:

I don't even have one :P

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Zide:

:P

[01:59:42]

Zide:

I'd like one, just to complete the setup.. but I rarely watch TV..

[02:00:04]

GreyFoxx:

I don't use livetv,but I record lots of stuff between me, the wife and my daughter

[02:00:24]

Zide:

I have only me ;)

[02:01:25]

Sakarnix:

GreyFoxx that is the version number to what?

[02:01:53]

GreyFoxx:

Sakarnix: Mythtv's version #. If you are using something older than 0.19 you can't "join" another machines livetv stream

[02:02:01]

GreyFoxx:

but if it's 0.19 then it can

[02:02:12]

Sakarnix:

So clients version?

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GreyFoxx:

the client and thebackend pretty much have to be the same version it it will be very unhappy :)

[02:03:17]

Sakarnix:

0.18.1.20050510–1

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Sakarnix:

I am pwned

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GreyFoxx:

Ok, that;'s why you can't see the other machines livetv stream

[02:03:38]

GreyFoxx:

That's over ayear old :)

[02:03:43]

Sakarnix:

I jsut went apt-get install mythtv

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Agrajag-:

Sakarnix: you should just record what you want to watch, that'll solve your problems.

[02:04:05]

Sakarnix:

Agrajag- I agree

[02:04:23]

Sakarnix:

just got it working yesterday so I am still trying to get my head around how it all works

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Sakarnix:

when I view tv it tells me that the time is 12:15 AM instead of 12:15 PM

[02:17:34]

Sakarnix:

where is the time settings?

[02:17:44]

Dagmar:

In the host OS

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Sakarnix:

but the system time is correct

[02:17:59]

Dagmar:

Run tzselect and then setup /etc/localtime properly.

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Sakarnix:

ok will do

[02:18:49]

Dagmar:

Are you in a time zone that's -1200 GMT?

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Sakarnix:

no

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Dagmar:

Then your clock is wrong.

[02:21:34]

Dagmar:

The solution remains the same.

[02:21:42]

Dagmar:

tzselect will tell you what timespec you're in

[02:22:04]

Dagmar:

Then you change /etc/localtime to point at /usr/share/zoneinfo/(yer timespec)

[02:22:30]

Dagmar:

From that point, so long as you dont' set TZ *incorrectly*, `date` should give the correct time

[02:22:53]

Sakarnix:

got it

[02:23:02]

Sakarnix:

thanks

[02:24:33]

tjcarter:

argh! I need to make Myth quit resetting volumes to 80%

[02:24:42]

tjcarter:

it's ANNOYING

[02:25:09]

tjcarter:

in fact, I really want 95% on the one mixer I can't seem to change.

[02:25:12]

Dagmar:

You like clipping?

[02:25:26]

tjcarter:

I like the volume to be more than a whisper at 100%.

[02:25:33]

Dagmar:

Does ALSA see the mixer device?

[02:25:48]

tjcarter:

The Sabrent card's mixer? No.

[02:25:55]

Dagmar:

Ouch.

[02:26:18]

tjcarter:

It shows up in lspci, but I can't get any of the drivers to actually work with it

[02:26:42]

tjcarter:

the bttv sound drivers just fail to do anything, totally silently.

[02:27:07]

tjcarter:

I'd fix the damned thing to support my card if I had the faintest clue what it doesn't like.

[02:27:36]

GreyFoxx:

Have you actually gone into your recording protocol and upped the default recording volume ?:)

[02:27:42]

GreyFoxx:

err profile

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GreyFoxx:

I upped mine to 100% years ago

[02:31:06]

Dagmar:

I leave mine at 80% because I don't care for clipping.

[02:31:33]

Dagmar:

If you're not getting sound at respectable levels at a setting of 80% it's probably time to make a few mods to that driver

[02:31:58]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: easier said than done really.

[02:32:12]

Dagmar:

No, it's always a bitch to modify audio drivers. :)

[02:35:23]

Dagmar:

I've had to do it a few time with various things.

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Dagmar:

Did Qt 3.2 not actually dlopen() it's plugins?

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Dagmar:

I see this thing here on Beirdo's FAQ about the plugins directory having to be listed in /etc/ld.so.conf, which is just so much nonsense with at least Qt 3.3

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GreyFoxx:

I've seen several instances where QT would complain about not having the sqlplugin available until it was added to ld.so.conf

[02:50:27]

GreyFoxx:

though I can't remember the exact version umbers

[02:50:31]

GreyFoxx:

numbers

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Dagmar:

It would have to be old versions

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Dagmar:

I can't see any reason that it would not work with 3.3.x

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GreyFoxx:

It couldvery well have been pre 3.3.x

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tjcarter:

just wondering, what's the history that led to Qt being used in Myth? Its independence from X11?

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Dagmar:

Probably the usual... someone wanted a widget set without having to design one

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Dagmar:

Updated Beirdo's Wiki to clarify the fix for when Qt is missing MySQL support

[03:23:32]

Dagmar:

ljacob: For the latter group to be half, we'll have to kill a lot of them outright. Probably 4 out of 5 of them.

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Dagmar:

ooo wrong channel

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Z-Morek:

I'm currently runnin fc3 with rpms and I feel the need to change up distro and optimize my system instead of having a lot of useless stuff installed

[03:42:22]

Z-Morek:

suggestions?

[03:43:01]

Zide:

"change up distro"?

[03:43:27]

Z-Morek:

well I wonder if maybe there's more out there for me than fedora

[03:43:38]

Zide:

lots.

[03:44:00]

Zide:

personally I wouldn't touch an rpm based distro with a 10ft pole

[03:44:09]

Z-Morek:

which is why I feel the need to upgrade

[03:45:09]

Z-Morek:

Zide, what're you runnin?

[03:45:35]

Zide:

gentoo

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qfx:

I use Suse, which is an RPM distro, and it's great

[03:47:02]

qfx:

Gentoo is nice if you have a lot of time

[03:47:15]

Zide:

each to his own

[03:47:37]

Zide:

no need for lots of time in gentoo, it's mostley automatic

[03:47:56]

qfx:

Yah, and you only have to install once.

[03:47:59]

Z-Morek:

I tried debian once

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Z-Morek:

I was too much of a rookie to handle it

[03:48:28]

Zide:

debian seems nice, altho I never got friendly with apt

[03:48:38]

Z-Morek:

so I followed the wilsonet guide to the letter and gained some familiarity with bash

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Z-Morek:

and I'm feeling confident enough to move on and run myth off svn

[03:49:02]

Zide:

wilsonet?

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qfx:

I still suggest Suse, it's an awesome distro. IMO the current best (having used FC/Gentoo as well)

[03:49:29]

Zide:

each to his own, as I said

[03:49:35]

qfx:

but like Zide said, to each their own

[03:49:53]

qfx:

There's definitely things about Suse that frustrate me, which Gentoo didn't do

[03:51:28]

Z-Morek:

wilsonet.com/mythtv

[03:52:09]

qfx:

anybody have any advice on setting up channel names in mythtv?

[03:52:25]

qfx:

Is there an automatic way to do it? Right now it just says "Channel 10" "Channel 11" etc.

[03:53:20]

Dagmar:

If you use xmltv to grab the listings it will provide channel names

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qfx:

I do use xmltv :|

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Dagmar:

Then run mythfilldatabase

[03:55:25]

prologic:

Anyone know why my LiveTV isn't working --> http://pastebin.shortcircuit.net.au/46

[03:55:37]

prologic:

something about default channel which I don't quite get :/

[03:55:57]

qfx:

I've run mythfilldb, and I have all the program listings (which appear accurate)

[03:55:58]

Dagmar:

prologic: You need to run mythtv-setup and define some tuners

[03:56:13]

prologic:

I have

[03:56:15]

prologic:

they're all there

[03:56:21]

prologic:

tuners, sources, channels, etc

[03:56:28]

Dagmar:

qfx: And are the channels named in mythtv-setup when you look at the lineup?

[03:56:29]

qfx:

Dagmar: The program listing is there great, I can see the names of the programs, but the stations all show up as "Channel 1-n"

[03:56:53]

Dagmar:

prologic: not according to line 8 of your pastebin

[03:57:12]

Dagmar:

"ChannelBase: Could not find input: Tuner 0 on card when setting channel 1"

[03:57:19]

qfx:

Dagmar: no, they all show up as the title "Channel 4 (4) (Zap2it)" etc.

[03:57:39]

qfx:

Should I try channel scanner?

[03:57:48]

prologic:

oh what the hell

[03:57:51]

prologic:

no inputs

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prologic:

2006-07–24 13:58:34.996 NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers.

[03:58:48]

prologic:

2006-07–24 13:58:38.996 NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers.

[03:58:55]

prologic:

hrmm, heard sound for 2secs, no video

[03:58:57]

prologic:

then stopped

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Dagmar:

qfx: Login to laps.zap2it.com and click the Details button. See if you see callsigns there

[04:00:29]

Z-Morek:

so for the seminoob moving on from fc3, gentoo is good?

[04:01:54]

qfx:

Dagmar: yes, they show up there

[04:01:59]

Dagmar:

hmmm

[04:02:27]

prologic:

2006-07–24 14:01:56.173 RingBuf(/media/tv/recordings/1012_20060724140156.mpg): Invalid file (fd 18) when opening '/media/tv/recordings/1012_20060724140156.mpg'. 12 retries remaining.

[04:02:34]

prologic:

why am I getting ringbuf file problems ?

[04:02:39]

qfx:

Dagmar: I find a not on the Mythtv docs, howto, chapter 9.5 about grabbing the details automatically, so I just tried that. The file it generates is completely blank

[04:04:49]

qfx:

The second states that I'd be asked for my postal code and service, which it doesn't

[04:05:17]

qfx:

:%s/second/section/

[04:09:04]

Dagmar:

qfz: When you login you should see stuff about your provider, if it's been configured

[04:09:15]

Dagmar:

Like, I see "Comcast – Nashville (for 37212)"

[04:09:34]

Dagmar:

Type, Cable.. Actions [details][modify][remove] and so forth

[04:09:55]

Dagmar:

Perhaps you didn't properly define your channel lineup in there?

[04:10:27]

Dagmar:

xmltv/zap2it is definitely where my channel names come from

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Dagmar:

prologic: Usually it would be because /media/tv/recordings/ isn't writeable for some reason

[04:11:33]

prologic:

I actually fixed that by cleaning out the db

[04:11:35]

prologic:

weird huh :)

[04:11:47]

prologic:

I don't seem to be getting audio on 1 channel

[04:11:49]

prologic:

others are fine

[04:12:26]

prologic:

ok this is jsut weird

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prologic:

hrmm it is writeable but still fails with "invalid file"

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prologic:

ivtv-tune -c 9 -t australia && mplayer /dev/v4l/video0 <-- wow I get no audio on that channel

[04:19:09]

unrooting:

Trying to get mythdvd rip feature to work... currently i can create an iso and rip in perfect but the files are around 6 gb, how do i get the other two options of good and better to work??

[04:20:28]

qfx:

Dagmar: it shows my provider, and lists all of the channels in myu lineup

[04:22:12]

qfx:

Dagmar: I suppose worst case I can just go through the channel editor and modify the entries by hand

[04:22:17]

qfx:

In fact...

[04:22:35]

unrooting:

Trying to get mythdvd rip feature to work... currently i can create an iso and rip in perfect but the files are around 6 gb, how do i get the other two options of good and better to work??

[04:25:03]

enterusername:

hi all

[04:25:10]

enterusername:

Does anyone recommend a good ir blaster

[04:25:15]

enterusername:

my PVR-150 wont work lol

[04:25:15]

enterusername:

:)

[04:26:25]

unrooting:

really... does it not see it?

[04:26:32]

unrooting:

mine works perfectly

[04:26:37]

enterusername:

really

[04:26:40]

enterusername:

what program u using?

[04:27:08]

unrooting:

lirc

[04:27:10]

enterusername:

I used marks braindump lircd-0.8.1

[04:27:28]

enterusername:

Unrooting: so your using CVS version supports it?

[04:27:39]

unrooting:

what distro?

[04:27:44]

enterusername:

im talking about the blasting portion not the remote control

[04:27:49]

enterusername:

umm im using Suse

[04:28:00]

unrooting:

oo the blasting... haven;t tried it

[04:28:03]

enterusername:

yes :)

[04:28:06]

enterusername:

the remote control works fine

[04:28:12]

unrooting:

i couldn't get the blasting to work in windows

[04:28:14]

enterusername:

i wanna use it with my digital cable box when i ge tit :)

[04:28:26]

enterusername:

oh

[04:28:30]

enterusername:

so your using a different blaster?

[04:28:40]

** enterusername looks for suggestions for which blaster to buy ... **

[04:29:26]

unrooting:

naw i just said screw it... i'll have cable again in aout 2 weeks when i go back to school so there was no point in my going through the trouble

[04:29:36]

enterusername:

oh

[04:29:44]

enterusername:

then ull have normal cable

[04:29:45]

enterusername:

not digital :p

[04:29:49]

unrooting:

yea

[04:29:52]

enterusername:

rhm

[04:30:00]

enterusername:

i cant see movie networks with normal cable though :(

[04:30:13]

unrooting:

true

[04:30:24]

unrooting:

hey have u used mythdvd any?

[04:30:31]

enterusername:

nope

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unrooting:

alright

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unrooting:

anyone know how to rip a dvd with mythdvd as in avi instead of a vob??

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Wonker:

Hi

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Wonker:

I come with a mythtv-related problem ... I have myth running on the second screen using twinview. Got mplayer (mythvideo) to use the second screen too, but I lose keyboard control in mplayer

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Wonker:

it doesn't seem to have keyboard focus

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Wonker:

any ideas for a fix?

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Dagmar:

Wonker: I can at least confirm that it's not just you. I noticed the same issue. Are you using a window manager?

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Dagmar:

...without one ther'es no way to push focus around, which I figured was my problem

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Dagmar:

I've just not had time to sit down and properly sort out the issue since I'm in the middle of moving

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Wonker:

Dagmar, I am not

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Wonker:

ah

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Dagmar:

Maybe this next weekend I'l have time but definitely not until then

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Wonker:

I'll try firing up blackbox and see if that works

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Dagmar:

Yeah, it looked to me like mplayer was just losing focus and then nothing was focused

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Wonker:

myth doesn't mind the missing WM

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Wonker:

actually, focus is kinda pooched after running myth

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Dagmar:

Yeah, watching videos is the only place that bit comes unraveled

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Dagmar:

Other than that, no window manager doesn't seem to cause it problems

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Wonker:

ah, stuffing in a window manager did the trick indeed

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Wonker:

thanks!

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Dagmar:

Cool

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Wonker:

interesting

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Wonker:

wouldn't have guessed really

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Dagmar:

If I manage to get time to sort it I'm just going to try to fix it so it doesn't need a WM

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Dagmar:

I hate wasting resources like that

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Wonker:

I just tossed my ATI card and put in the nvidia, used twinview, that was the last remaining big

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Dagmar:

Wonker: Well, I spawned a shell session and started poking at X pretty heavily

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Wonker:

while I was at it, I tossed the window manager....

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Wonker:

heh

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Dagmar:

Otherwise I would have never realized nothing had focus

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Wonker:

Dang, I like this twin view

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Wonker:

I gotta put in a perm wee LCD and run some stuff on it beside the TV

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Dagmar:

Good luck finding one on the cheap

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Wonker:

wee == 15"

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Dagmar:

The best I've been able to isolate is a PS One display

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Wonker:

though they are hard to get...

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Dagmar:

Oh this would be cheaper

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Wonker:

heh

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Dagmar:

$60–75 on eBay

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Wonker:

I see thaqt

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Wonker:

cool

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Dagmar:

I'm still undecided on what I want on the front of my mid-tower tho

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Wonker:

one would *think* you could get a 15" for $100 used

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Wonker:

Ah, I have a wee micro-atx box, no chance of mouting in box

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Wonker:

the g/f will be very happy I got the PVR front-end going again

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Dagmar:

At the moment I'm planning on sawing http://www.kbtoys.com/genProduct.html/PID/470 . . . /D/?_ts=B001 in half to take the face off, and epoxying it to the front with the IR transciever elements behind the eyees

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Wonker:

that will make a great 'faceplate'

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Dagmar:

That's pretty much what I was thinkign

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Dagmar:

The lady at the local KB thought I was a nutter when she got my answer about why the robot toy she was trying to sell me woulnd't work

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Dagmar:

"WEll, I can't saw his face off"

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Wonker:

LOL

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Wonker:

That had to be pretty damn funny

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TTT_Travis:

are there any good tv tuners with hardware encoding that work on linux that arn't made by happuage

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tjcarter:

TTT_Travis: Apparently three nights ago or so (look for mchou and I talking within three hours of three days ago) there was mention of one that I guess works

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tjcarter:

mchou is the local analog tuner hater =)

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TTT_Travis:

I hate them too because my box is too slow ;)

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TTT_Travis:

Question: when watching tv on my mythth box how much will the quality be degraded

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tjcarter:

analog tuner != framegrabber

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TTT_Travis:

using happuage card

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TTT_Travis:

connected to tvb

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TTT_Travis:

tv*

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TTT_Travis:

is it noticable?

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TTT_Travis:

I am on analog cable

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Dagmar:

This depends entirely on how much money you spend.

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Dagmar:

If you buy nameless, used components of questionable origin, it will suck mightily.

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Dagmar:

If you buy decent equipment it will not be a problem.

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Dagmar:

At least Hauppage being the only decent accelerated card maker who doesn't charge a mint gives half of the equation a fixed quantity

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Dagmar:

Use a Bt8x8 card at your own peril.

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Wonker:

actually, output from myth on my system (using hauppuage) looks a little better

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Wonker:

then straight analog cable, at least in some respects

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Wonker:

as to your box being slow

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TTT_Travis:

how about PVR150

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Wonker:

my oldish P4 (1.4 GHz) uses only 5% CPU when recording

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TTT_Travis:

with just some video card with tv out?

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Wonker:

I am using the 150

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Wonker:

with a cheapy nvidia card with s-video out

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TTT_Travis:

when you're watching tv does the quality look much worse then having it connected directly?

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Wonker:

though video cards seem wildly varied in quality

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Wonker:

it looks better in some respects (smoother, for example), but a wee bit less sharp

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Wonker:

but, I almost never watch live TV anymore

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TTT_Travis:

ok

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TTT_Travis:

just so it's not horrible

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TTT_Travis:

I am trying to convince my dad, and myself to convert their pc into a mythbox for a few bucks

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TTT_Travis:

I planned to get 2 PVR500s

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TTT_Travis:

do those work under linux?

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TTT_Travis:

it says MCE

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Dagmar:

You really need four tuners?

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TTT_Travis:

this box is the main backend I have a few front ends

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Dagmar:

...and yes they work fine, although you're not likely to get *use* out of four tuners without SATA

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Wonker:

I get along pretty well with 1 with the flexible scheduling

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Dagmar:

One PVR-500 is enough to push an IDE bus to the redline

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Wonker:

but 2 would be nice

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Dagmar:

Not if it causes the machine to spontaneously reboot when you fire up tuner 3 it won't

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TTT_Travis:

well I don't plan to use them so much for recording more for watching tv over a frontend

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Wonker:

why bother?

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TTT_Travis:

why not?

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Dagmar:

Bad news: Watching TV involves writing to disk. Do some calculations

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Wonker:

just use the cable if watching is all you won't

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Wonker:

err want

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Wonker:

watching recordings with commercial skip, etc is the main advantage

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Wonker:

for just watching TV, myth holds only a small advantage IMO

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TTT_Travis:

I'll explain my situation, my dad, sis, and brother watch tv a lot I want to have a main backend/frontend in the living room with a few tuners, and in each of their rooms and mine have a frontend mostly for watching tv since most of our shows are downloaded anyway

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Dagmar:

You might as well give up on trying ot let them watch live TV through it

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TTT_Travis:

why?

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Dagmar:

Four tuners is going to require SATA drives.

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TTT_Travis:

more like 3 actually

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TTT_Travis:

but yeah

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Dagmar:

...and they're probably not going to be real happy about the delay changing channels.

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TTT_Travis:

yeah I suppose

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TTT_Travis:

guess maybe the only advantage is the commerical skip thing

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Wonker:

that only works for recorded items

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TTT_Travis:

guess the main reason I wanted to do it was for the ability to watch our downloaded shows through the nice interface

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TTT_Travis:

with teh cards as a bonus

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Dagmar:

Well, here's a nice thing...

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TTT_Travis:

but when you mention the channel change delay

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Wonker:

most ppl find their live tv wathing fades off when they start using the PVR

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Dagmar:

If people don't mind looking at screwball filenames (and there's actually a script to fix this) it's no problem at all to watch the mpg files a Hauppage card emits, over Samba

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Wonker:

pretty quick you have more stuff recorded then you can watch

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TTT_Travis:

yeah gotcha

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Dagmar:

You only need a frontend if you cheaped out and used a Bt card

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Wonker:

yeah, my g/f copies the files to a portable drive to watch them when she is away on her mac

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TTT_Travis:

ok you changed my thinking a bit

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TTT_Travis:

so heres what I think...

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Wonker:

well....I use a front-end cause I don't want a server box with 4 drives+ups in my living room

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TTT_Travis:

Get the mythtv backend/frontend in the living room with say 2 tuners? and use it mostly for recording shows that will be watched later

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TTT_Travis:

and then have frontends for watching the recordings

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Wonker:

that sounds like a more sound plan :)

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TTT_Travis:

I would still like to watch tv through the one in the living room though

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Wonker:

you should note that getting myth working is a non-trivial task in many (or most) situations

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TTT_Travis:

mostly for the onscreen guide

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TTT_Travis:

but the channel change

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TTT_Travis:

Wonker I have been playing with mythtv for a long time and have the setup down for the most part

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Wonker:

ok

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TTT_Travis:

I have a little cheapo BTTV card that I play around with

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Wonker:

I was just warning ya :)

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TTT_Travis:

yeap

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TTT_Travis:

so watching tv through mythtv with the pvr150 = bad?

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TTT_Travis:

since there is the channel change delay?

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TTT_Travis:

which is like .7th second

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Wonker:

the delay comes from buffering

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TTT_Travis:

oh so just over network?

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Wonker:

buffering to disk

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TTT_Travis:

oh

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TTT_Travis:

would a sata drive help?

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Wonker:

if you channel change like crazy, it will probably get to you

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Wonker:

no, it is a time-based delay AFAIK

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TTT_Travis:

so there's no way around that really?

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TTT_Travis:

I guess for the most part my dad would just use the guide

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Wonker:

if you just flip between 2 channels, it doesn't bother you much

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Wonker:

the guide is handy

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Wonker:

hard to say if the delay will bother ya, ppl have different tolerance levels

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TTT_Travis:

the guide is one of the main reasons for me wanting a pvr

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TTT_Travis:

ok

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TTT_Travis:

but yeah we'll probably watch more recordings anyway

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Wonker:

watching recordings is awesome

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TTT_Travis:

and I have a rss reader that auto downloads the shows I actually like

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TTT_Travis:

so I don't even know if I would record that many shows

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Wonker:

once you get use to auto-commercial skip, you start wondering what the hell is wrong when you watch live tv....

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TTT_Travis:

how fast of a cpu would I need to flag the commercials if I have 1 pvr500 recording 2 streams at once?

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Wonker:

mm

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TTT_Travis:

the system I am using is an AMD Athlon 1300+

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Wonker:

it is queued for a later time

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TTT_Travis:

768mb of ram

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Wonker:

so, it can take as long is it likes...

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TTT_Travis:

ok

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Wonker:

it is just a matter of how long it takes you to get around to watching

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TTT_Travis:

ok

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Wonker:

my P4 1.4GHz goes at 45FPS or so I think

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Wonker:

or about 1.5x realtime

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TTT_Travis:

k

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TTT_Travis:

30fps maybe on mine

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Wonker:

about real time or so

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TTT_Travis:

I think this could work

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Wonker:

if you have a spare drive or partition, just try it out

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TTT_Travis:

so a PVR500 + cheap nvidea card + huge hard drive

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Dagmar:

Just not a generic nvidia card

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TTT_Travis:

what a recommended one?

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Dagmar:

You'll wind up getting a crappy video output that way

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tjcarter:

But a 5200 would work

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Wonker:

yeah, they card bit is touchy

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TTT_Travis:

I don't have an AGP

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Dagmar:

Something name-brand

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TTT_Travis:

just PCI ;(

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Wonker:

some are great, some are awful

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Dagmar:

Gigabyte, or ASUS or something

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TTT_Travis:

I'll check newegg

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tjcarter:

TTT_Travis: what sort of board are you planning to use?

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TTT_Travis:

tjcarter board?

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Dagmar:

They have 5200's cheap there that are made by people not ashamed to put their name on the product

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TTT_Travis:

mobo?

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TTT_Travis:

or should I just get a PVR350?

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tjcarter:

TTT_Travis: I put together a system for like $300 with a '500, an InWin case, etc

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TTT_Travis:

well I already have the computer, just need the tv tuners, video card and big hdd

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tjcarter:

Sempron 64 with AGP (so I could go with a bargain basement video card)

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TTT_Travis:

how would a PVR350 and PVR150 work out?

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TTT_Travis:

since the 350 has a tv out

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tjcarter:

I'm not sure the 350 is the best solution

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TTT_Travis:

ok

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tjcarter:

and I happen to be very fond of the 500's nifty dual tuner

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TTT_Travis:

that's what others had said

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TTT_Travis:

I think PVR500 + vid card = better

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** tjcarter is using an ASUS Terminator here **

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tjcarter:

I have but one PCI slot and one AGP slot

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TTT_Travis:

I don't have AGP unfortunately

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tjcarter:

I believe Dagmar referred to my setup as playing tetris with hardware =)

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Dagmar:

Hate the teensy tiny cases

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tjcarter:

yeah, it was purchased for cheapness, not high numbers of slots =)

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TTT_Travis:

wonder how this would work

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TTT_Travis:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814143058

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tjcarter:

I'm impressed by that.

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TTT_Travis:

seems like a steal at that price

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TTT_Travis:

I could probably run games on low-med settings

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TTT_Travis:

people say loud fan

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Dagmar:

Less performance than a 5600, but it's not like you're buying it to play Quake

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TTT_Travis:

all I want is the TV out

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TTT_Travis:

and to play MAME games ;)

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tjcarter:

can I ask dumbass question?

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tjcarter:

(besides that one I mean)

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TTT_Travis:

yeah

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tjcarter:

Why on earth are you going for composite or s-video out these days?

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Dagmar:

Because only expensive LCD or plasma displays accept DVI or VGA inputs

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TTT_Travis:

people on are saying fuzzy component out

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TTT_Travis:

yeah my dad just has a tube tv

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TTT_Travis:

like 27"

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TTT_Travis:

15 years old

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Dagmar:

I just got a 29"

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: you can get component out of VGA with a small adapter cable with like two SMT chips inside the housing

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Dagmar:

It was a b-i-t-c-h to get it home in my 325i 2-door

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TTT_Travis:

I'm getting a 32" LCD next year

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TTT_Travis:

tjcarter really?

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: except that cable is not cheap, and what's the point if the video card already has composite out?

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TTT_Travis:

is it cheaper then a video card?

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tjcarter:

component, not composite =)

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TTT_Travis:

oh

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TTT_Travis:

missed that ;)

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Dagmar:

Oh I know his TV doesn't have RGB inputs

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Dagmar:

That would be laughable

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tjcarter:

RGB -> YUV

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TTT_Travis:

I just run through the VCR and stuff

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Dagmar:

You're not likely to find any conversion cable fancier than s-video to composite for less than that $30 card

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TTT_Travis:

it works fine

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Dagmar:

VGA->anything tends to run >$100

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TTT_Travis:

the $30 card has bad tv out I guess

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TTT_Travis:

would and MX4000 do ok?

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TTT_Travis:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130217

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TTT_Travis:

reviews say good tv out

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Dagmar:

Use NewEgg's "Advanced Search"

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TTT_Travis:

that card has good tv out

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TTT_Travis:

so if it works I would get it

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tjcarter:

that's all you need to worry about

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TTT_Travis:

MX4000 should be good enough

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tjcarter:

don't expect to play Doom3 or newer games with it

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tjcarter:

it will do MAME =)

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TTT_Travis:

that's all I need ;)

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TTT_Travis:

I have my PS2 and future PS3 for gaming

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TTT_Travis:

$173.40 shipped for a video card and PVR500

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TTT_Travis:

all I need is like a 400gb hard drive

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TTT_Travis:

I filled my 120

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Sakanix:

hi all back from uni and now to update my install to the latest version

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Sakanix:

Is it easy mode? hard mode?

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Sakanix:

Heya Agrajag-

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Sakanix:

how you going mate

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Agrajag-:

gday not too shabby

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Sakanix:

Remeber how I was having issues with the time yer

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Agrajag-:

nope

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Sakanix:

Well I now cant do anything as root.. I get this error message sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jul 25 00:25:34 2006

[08:07:04]

Sakanix:

well I was

[08:07:11]

Sakanix:

MythTV was 12 hours out

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Sakanix:

and then when I resest the time

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Agrajag-:

as in guide data?

[08:07:24]

Sakanix:

yes

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Agrajag-:

which grabber are you using? oztivo?

[08:07:33]

Sakanix:

nope

[08:07:37]

Sakanix:

tv_grab_au

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Sakanix:

it was having issues because my system time was incorrect

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Agrajag-:

the ninemsn one? has someone fixed it?

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Agrajag-:

ah right ok

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Sakanix:

it works alright

[08:08:20]

Sakanix:

anyway I adjusted my system time and now I am screwed

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Agrajag-:

nah you can fix it hang on

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Agrajag-:

run sudo -v

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Sakanix:

nothing

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Sakanix:

error

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Agrajag-:

"error" isn't helpful

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Sakanix:

this is odd I am talking on irc with my laptop i just ssh'd in to get the msg to copy paste

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Sakanix:

and now it didnt give me a error message

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Sakanix:

*types error*

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Dagmar:

sudo -v isn't going to do anything useful. Ignore that.

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Agrajag-:

well according to my manpage it'll set the timestamp, prompting for a password

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Sakanix:

do I have to close all terimnals after adjusting system time

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Agrajag-:

no

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Dagmar:

Yeah, it bumps the timestamp used to determine if it should query again for a password when you run another sudo-ized command.

[08:13:30]

Dagmar:

It has exactly nothing to do with the system clock.

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Agrajag-:

his problem has nothing to do with the system clock

[08:13:45]

Agrajag-:

his problem is that he can't run sudo commands

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Agrajag-:

because he gets timestamp too far in the future

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Agrajag-:

he has fixed his system time (which gave him that problem)

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mchou:

Agrajag-: bingo!

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Dagmar:

He should use su – then

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mchou:

Dagmar: lol

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Agrajag-:

what if he doesn't have a root password

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Agrajag-:

why can't he use sudo -v, which will fix his problem?

[08:14:51]

Dagmar:

Then he'll have to set his clock back and actually set a root password

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** Sakanix uses Kubuntu, no root **

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Sakanix:

pwd

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mchou:

Agrajag-: good question :)

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Agrajag-:

i think Dagmar just doesn't want to admit he was wrong

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Agrajag-:

:)

[08:15:27]

Sakanix:

hehe

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mchou:

Agrajag-: bingo!

[08:15:29]

Dagmar:

Actually I don't care.

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Sakanix:

should I reset it restart my machine and set the time in the BIOS?

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mchou:

Agrajag-: look how Dagmar feigns non-chalance :)

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Sakanix:

I assume the OS gets the time from the BIOS?

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Agrajag-:

:)

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Dagmar:

No feigning involved.

[08:16:04]

Dagmar:

I really could care less.

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Agrajag-:

Sakanix: you don't need to set it from the bios, you can do it from teh oS

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mchou:

Dagmar: then stop being a windbag

[08:16:22]

Sakanix:

kk

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Dagmar:

Especially considering I was apparently the only person able to tell him how to set his system time correctly.

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Agrajag-:

Sakanix: i suggest you set your system time to UTC

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Dagmar:

mchou: You stop trolling, first.

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Sakanix:

problem is that you need root to set the system time

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mchou:

Agrajag-: was I trolling?

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Sakanix:

I have no root access

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Agrajag-:

mchou: no

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Sakanix:

thanks to this time stamp crap

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Agrajag-:

anyawy i have to go, stay out of trouble you crazy kids!

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Sakanix:

lol /wave Agrajag-

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Sakanix:

have fun champ

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Dagmar:

So there was a point in trying to say I was faking nonchalance, other than to start a fight?"

[08:18:24]

Dagmar:

l4mn3ss

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mchou:

Dagmar: lol. your lame fore saiding "couldnt care less" instead of say "oh yess, I misunderstood Sakanix's problem"

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mchou:

for saying*

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Dagmar:

Oddly, I wasn't given that chance, troll.

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mchou:

Dagmar: nobody would have thought the worse of you for that....

[08:20:42]

mchou:

Dagmar: you werent given the chance?? [01:15:29] <Dagmar> Actually I don't care.

[08:20:43]

Dagmar:

Well, I surely couldn't think less of you at this point.

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mchou:

[01:15:51] <mchou> Agrajag-: look how Dagmar feigns non-chalance :)

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mchou:

note the timestamps

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Dagmar:

I see them.

[08:21:13]

Dagmar:

I fail to see why I was supposed to beg forgiveness for being in error.

[08:21:18]

mchou:

Dagmar: then stop being a lamer

[08:21:30]

Dagmar:

No one else ever does, and since the problem was apparently solved, it doesn't bear further discussion

[08:21:50]

mchou:

Dagmar: lol

[08:22:24]

mchou:

Dagmar: you smake somebody else with the correct solution, and you know it all?

[08:22:31]

mchou:

smack*

[08:22:36]

Dagmar:

Compared to most of you, I *do* know it all.

[08:22:42]

mchou:

Dagmar: haha!!

[08:23:37]

Dagmar:

Hell, I question the sanity in making people use sudo with an open-ended list of commands to run.

[08:23:41]

mchou:

Dagmar: right. I only happen to work at Intel and even I dont pretend to know it all

[08:24:04]

Dagmar:

When I last checked, being a troll and a twit wasn't a hindrance to employment there.

[08:24:24]

mchou:

Dagmar: no, but being clueless is

[08:24:35]

Dagmar:

Whoop-de-do.

[08:24:35]

mchou:

Dagmar: which applies in your case

[08:24:43]

Dagmar:

Whatever, fucktard.

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Dagmar:

Back into the ignore list with you.

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RedMercury:

how can i check my channels after having scanned, using a console?

[08:25:29]

RedMercury:

(cant use xine right now)

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Dagmar:

Check 'em for what?

[08:26:11]

RedMercury:

to see if i can pick up broadcasts!

[08:26:24]

Dagmar:

You're going to need something running that can put them on the screen.

[08:26:28]

RedMercury:

dvbscan appears to be broken on my board, so i got a conf from someone

[08:26:31]

Dagmar:

Like, oh, MythTV.

[08:26:46]

RedMercury:

...

[08:27:11]

RedMercury:

all i wanted was a quick diagnostic. mythtv is my end result, but its best to take babysteps..

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Dagmar:

You could try setting the tuner to a channel and looking at the log output from a driver.

[08:28:29]

Dagmar:

If you're lucky, it'll either tell you it's got a valid signal or not.

[08:28:40]

Dagmar:

s/ a / the /;

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Agrajag-:

RedMercury: use tzap/femon

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Agrajag-:

(if it's dvb-t)

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RedMercury:

thanks

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RedMercury:

Agrajag- – what would a "good" result be?

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RedMercury:

for tzap

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RedMercury:

status 07 | signal 16ff | snr 1818 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |

[08:41:32]

RedMercury:

status 07 | signal 16df | snr 0000 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |

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Dagmar:

Anything saying FE_HAS_LOCK with a relatively steady snr

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RedMercury:

heh thats not me then

[08:42:29]

Dagmar:

See: http://www.roland-gersch.de/dec2000/node16.html

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Sakanix:

ok how do I update from version 0.18 to the current

[08:56:44]

Sakanix:

I dl the 9.8mb or what ever it is tar off the site

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Sakanix:

untared it

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Dagmar:

Download the new one, and compile it using the exact same arguments as the last time

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Sakanix:

Dagmar last time I just hit up apt-get install mythtv

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Sakanix:

and it worked

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Dagmar:

Well, in theory there's an 0.19 repo around somewhere

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Sakanix:

/shrug so I have no idea what args were used

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Sakanix:

ahh

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Sakanix:

ok I will check

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Dagmar:

I know there's no official one for Ubuntu. Some people were saying earlier that the Ubuntu folks apparently _refused_ to update

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Dagmar:

Just *shudder* be sure and stop your backend and frontend before you update if you find a repo with 0.19

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Juski:

morning!

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** LLyric grins **

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RedMercury:

whats the best fs to use with myth?

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Dagmar:

I need to make a macro that says "Fiber-channel SAN" when people ask that

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Juski:

Dagmar: lol

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prologic_:

hey guys, my mythtv is sorta working okay

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prologic_:

but I get no audio on 1 channel

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prologic_:

others I get audio fine

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Juski:

fine tuning problem?

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Juski:

what tuner? v4l, dvb or HD?

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prologic_:

not aye

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prologic_:

v4l pvr-150

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prologic_:

using ivtv drivers 0.7

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Juski:

more than likely a tuning issue

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prologic_:

okay

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prologic_:

is there anyway of fine turning while in livetv ?

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prologic_:

mythtv 0.19 here

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Juski:

not in mythfrontend afaik

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prologic_:

damn

[09:32:03]

Juski:

but you can adjust finetuning with mythweb channel setup page

[09:32:08]

prologic_:

any way of watching and tuning ?

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Juski:

I dunno. don't use analogue tv like that. try checking the wiki

[09:32:38]

LLyric:

prologic_: PAL?

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prologic_:

*nodS*

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LLyric:

Missing audio, with analogue tuners, is quite often selecting the wrong PAL subtype

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prologic_:

australia freetoair

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LLyric:

You want PAL-G in that case

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prologic_:

oh

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prologic_:

I see

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prologic_:

I never know that :)

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Juski:

LLyric: he said audio wasn't working on one channel with all the rest being fine

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** prologic_ reconfigures backend **

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LLyric:

Juski: if he's using pvr-150, it's a different card

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** LLyric rereads **

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prologic_:

hmm

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prologic_:

there is no PAL-G

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prologic_:

don't you mean PAL-BG ?

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LLyric:

Same thing

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prologic_:

I remember using this once

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prologic_:

ahh

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LLyric:

PAL-BG is short for "PAL-B and PAL-G"

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Juski:

prologic_: if all your channels but one have audio, it's not a problem of having selected the wrong video standard IMHO

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prologic_:

k

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prologic_:

thanks so much guys :)

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prologic_:

tv is lovely complicated stuff aye!

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LLyric:

Juski: probably right, I thought he was talking about one tuner, not one channel

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LLyric:

I've only got one eye on channel, watching last nights motogp

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prologic_:

I'm actually hoping that my occasional flickering problems might be fixed due to my ivtv drver upgrade from 0.4 -> 0.7

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Juski:

I thought he meant one audio channel at first. still really tired from a hectic weekend demoing mythtv

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prologic_:

haha

[09:37:28]

prologic_:

I still get no audio on channel 9

[09:37:31]

prologic_:

prefect picture though

[09:37:51]

LLyric:

Worked fine for me, with pvr-350

[09:38:02]

LLyric:

But that doesn't help you... :)

[09:38:28]

prologic_:

btw, why does stdout/stderr of mythfrontend keep spitting out Rebuffering messages ?

[09:38:35]

prologic_:

2006-07–24 19:38:27.373 rebuffering (24337 32768)

[09:38:35]

prologic_:

2006-07–24 19:38:27.743 rebuffering (30921 32768)

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Juski:

prologic_: try a TV.. channel 9 might have an engineering problem ;-)

[09:38:58]

prologic_:

haha

[09:39:02]

** prologic_ goes downstairs **

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prologic_:

no there''s definately audio on 9

[09:40:42]

prologic_:

just not through my pvr-150/mythtv

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Juski:

weird

[09:41:47]

prologic_:

indeed

[09:42:24]

prologic_:

gah

[09:42:28]

prologic_:

my program guide is empty too

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prologic_:

depite running mythfilldatabase

[09:45:04]

Juski:

no xmltv ids in the channel table?

[09:45:42]

prologic_:

hmm I do

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prologic_:

hwoever what should they be ?

[09:45:52]

prologic_:

I've numbered them accoridnly

[09:45:59]

prologic_:

but that's prolly not the xmltv id it's wanting

[09:46:06]

Juski:

look in /usr/share/xmltv/your_tv_grabber/channel_ids

[09:46:25]

prologic_:

+channel free.Brisbane.10 "Network TEN" 10

[09:46:29]

prologic_:

what's the id in this case ?

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Juski:

imho this is the most undocumented part of mythtv setting up

[09:46:57]

Juski:

prologic_: "free.Brisbane.10" would be the xmltv id

[09:47:18]

prologic_:

ahh gotcha

[09:47:21]

prologic_:

and yes I agree

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prologic_:

documentation is quite fuzzy in places :)

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Juski:

you could argue it's more the responsibility of xmltv to document it, but I don't think even they do. I've looked hard – maybe just not hard enough

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prologic_:

*shrugs*

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DGnome:

heyho, any ideas on slim dvdrw-drive and sata interface? :)

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Juski:

DGnome: tricky. could be done with an adapter though. I think all the early dvd drives with sata just have embedded sata-ide adapters anyway

[10:05:42]

Sakanix:

Where is it that mythtvfrontend gets the address username and password to be used to login to the mysql server?

[10:07:26]

Sakanix:

anyone know

[10:07:52]

Juski:

nah nobody will know that. not as if you've checked the documentation I bet either

[10:08:14]

Sakanix:

aye

[10:08:32]

Sakanix:

I just figured it would be something most people would know off the top of their head

[10:08:35]

Juski:

first time you run mythfrontend it should ask you

[10:09:17]

Juski:

I was trying to be sarcastic btw.

[10:09:25]

Juski:

~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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Sakanix:

kk trying it now

[10:14:17]

Sakanix:

ok now its giving me error messages

[10:14:26]

Sakanix:

client and server is incompatible

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Sakanix:

><

[10:15:23]

LLyric:

Running different versions of mythfrontend and mythbackend?

[10:15:28]

Sakanix:

yes ><

[10:15:40]

LLyric:

Don't do that

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Sakanix:

I have been trying to update my backend for that past 5 hours

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** Juski chuckles **

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Sakanix:

It is makikng want to /wrists

[10:17:51]

** LLyric just "yum install mythtv" :) **

[10:17:56]

Sakanix:

I want some nice little thing I type 3 cmds or less and my backend is updated and restarted

[10:18:18]

LLyric:

Use a binary packaged distro then :)

[10:18:38]

Sakanix:

kk I assume stoping it will be helpful

[10:18:41]

LLyric:

But upgrading between major version numbers is tryciky

[10:19:09]

Sakanix:

yer I want to go from 0.18 -> 0.19

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Sakanix:

I am using Kubuntu

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LLyric:

For a start, the db schemas are different, I presume

[10:21:09]

Sakanix:

Not a huge issue I have had it 2 days

[10:21:16]

Sakanix:

no huge lose if i have to start again

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LLyric:

This didn't help? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Upgradin . . . _--_southern

[10:22:28]

LLyric:

Or one of the other upgrading pages? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Special: . . . ng&go=Go

[10:24:20]

DGnome:

Juski: mmh, tricky. PCI-PCIe, pata-sata.. what comes next? :)

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** Sakanix hugs LLyric **

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Sakanix:

It is doing more than I have seen it do the whole arvo

[10:29:17]

Sakanix:

after about the 6th repo I've added finally found one with 0.19 on it and it was from one of those sites

[10:29:18]

Sakanix:

woot

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** Sakanix does his happy dance **

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** LLyric grins **

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prologic:

hey everytime I switch to channle 9

[10:35:02]

prologic:

and run ivtvctl -Y

[10:35:05]

prologic:

mute is 1

[10:35:09]

prologic:

on other channels mute is 0

[10:35:23]

prologic:

and there has got to be an easier way to fine-tune channels

[10:35:26]

Juski:

prologic: look in the channel table at channel 9's row

[10:35:40]

prologic:

in mythtv-setup ?

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Juski:

mysql -u mythtv -p -e "select * from channel where name="channel 9";" might work

[10:36:20]

Juski:

but yeh you could look in mythtv-setup

[10:37:24]

LLyric:

You can edit the channels in mythweb

[10:37:30]

LLyric:

Much easier than the alternatives

[10:37:49]

Sakanix:

aye mythweb is only for pros

[10:38:11]

Juski:

I didn't suggest mythweb because it doesn't show all the columns from the table

[10:38:18]

prologic:

yeah but fine-tuning with mythtv is a pain too

[10:38:24]

prologic:

have to enter a fine-tune value then save

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Juski:

you don't need to fine tune with digital. analogue is being deprecated

[10:40:34]

Juski:

just FYI – there's no mute or volume setting column in the channel table

[10:41:01]

Juski:

not in 0.19-fixes anyway

[10:42:23]

Dagmar:

Damn

[10:42:24]

** LLyric patches myth and rebuilds again. Chasing a random failure to start recording. Foo :/ **

[10:42:44]

Dagmar:

My nVidia card has decided to switch which port it does EDID on

[10:42:47]

prologic:

ok so what was I looking for ?

[10:42:57]

Dagmar:

For whatever reason, it's decided it's going to send EDID lookups to the VGA port now

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prologic:

in checking Channel 9 in the db

[10:43:08]

Dagmar:

It's been doing it over the DVI port for months

[10:43:16]

Juski:

Dagmar: you can disable that with an option in your xorg.conf

[10:43:26]

Dagmar:

Juski: I don't want to disable it actually.

[10:43:40]

LLyric:

prologic: checking that the tuning is what it should be in your region

[10:43:47]

prologic:

ahh

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Dagmar:

I was trying to show someone a shortcut using ddcxinfo, and how to fix their DPI issues with a dual-display setup, and I was going to post some sample text

[10:44:25]

prologic:

$ ivtv-tune -t australia -l | egrep "^9.*"

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prologic:

Channels/Frequencies (MHz) for 'australia':

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prologic:

9 196.250

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prologic:

$ mysql -h data -u mythtv -p -E -e "select * from channel where name=\"Nine\";" mythconverg | egrep "freqid"

[10:44:30]

prologic:

Enter password:

[10:44:30]

prologic:

freqid: 196250

[10:44:34]

prologic:

seems so :/

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Dagmar:

I just had ddcxinfo start whining about there being no EDID, so I made sure my monitor hadn't fallen asleep or something... still no dice... I turn on the second monitor that's been off for several days now (the one plugged into teh VGA port) and ddcxinfo gives me the info from _that_ display

[10:45:09]

Dagmar:

I've never seen it do that before. Very weird.

[10:45:43]

Juski:

prologic: what's channel 9's finetune value?

[10:45:50]

prologic:

0

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Dagmar:

Normally ddcxinfo doesn't even seem to care whether your running X or in text console.

[10:46:15]

Juski:

prologic: you might have to play with the fine tuning then. PITA but not something you'd need to do often

[10:46:26]

prologic:

hmm

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LLyric:

I probably have the my ch9 information somewhere...

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Juski:

course you'll need to change channel & back again to see any change you make to the table

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LLyric:

prologic: Yup, I had 196250 too

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LLyric:

with 0 finetune

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prologic:

hmm

[10:48:24]

prologic:

then I don't understand this

[10:48:32]

prologic:

it keeps setting mute to 1 on that channel

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LLyric:

NFI, sorry man.

[10:49:12]

Juski:

prologic: try setting it to unmuted & see if you can hear audio then

[10:49:15]

prologic:

it prolly is a finetune issues though

[10:49:20]

prologic:

I have a crap areial :)

[10:49:22]

prologic:

arieal

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prologic:

Juski, did that, has no effect

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prologic:

remains mute=1 :)

[10:49:41]

Juski:

I can see how it'd possibly be muting if it can't lock onto the audio carrier

[10:49:45]

prologic:

ie: ivtvctl -y mute=0 -Y still shows mute=1

[10:49:47]

prologic:

weird :)

[10:50:00]

prologic:

yeah which is prolly what's happening

[10:50:07]

prologic:

strange thing though the picture on that channel is perfect

[10:50:11]

prologic:

only one that is really :)

[10:50:11]

Dagmar:

oooo

[10:50:15]

Juski:

now I'm 90% sure it's a finetune issue like I said in the 1st place

[10:50:21]

** LLyric watches topgear that his mythbox unexpectedly recorded **

[10:50:29]

Dagmar:

This is regular broadcast, right?

[10:50:35]

Dagmar:

Check the output to syslog when the ivtv module loads.

[10:50:47]

Dagmar:

It's more than likely saying something questionable about the audio mixer chip

[10:50:51]

LLyric:

Check it's loading BG like it should be :) and the firmware

[10:50:56]

Dagmar:

Yep.

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Juski:

eh? what would that have to do with anything? audio on every other channel works

[10:51:14]

Dagmar:

Not loading one of the firmwares (or the wrong one!) will cause that kind of problem in a hurry.

[10:51:28]

Dagmar:

It's only on one channel that it's doing this?

[10:51:33]

Dagmar:

It's demons.

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Juski:

aye

[10:51:50]

Dagmar:

Evil, nasty, child-gobbling demons.

[10:51:56]

Juski:

audio on no channels – yeah I would've said wrong vid std or firmware

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prologic:

heh

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prologic:

appreciate the help guys :)

[10:52:11]

Dagmar:

It really shouldn't be able to do that

[10:52:15]

LLyric:

Just set up a vlan with your neighbours, and leech their recordings :)

[10:52:24]

prologic:

I can't play atm, recording something for my flatmate

[10:52:24]

Dagmar:

Fire up an actual TV and make sure that they're not broadcasting a silent movie or something

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prologic:

and it seems the wind has blown my antennea around too much :/

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laga:

re

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Juski:

oo almost time to start a flame war on the users list by passing on some comments from the show

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prologic:

lol

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prologic:

already checked the regular TV

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prologic:

heh

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Dagmar:

Juski: I know at least one of my neighbors is probably going to be saddened to see me move this week. They've been downloading my recordings, possibly out of boredom since that's the only thing that open AP will let someone get to.

[10:54:24]

** LLyric lol at jeremy clarkson driving a 50s maseratti **

[10:54:30]

LLyric:

wobbly face man

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Dagmar:

That really is bizarre that there's no audio on just one channel.

[10:54:44]

Dagmar:

They're all offset the same distance from the video signal

[10:54:53]

LLyric:

"Oh no, I'm spinning in a million pound car". Hhehehe

[10:55:42]

LLyric:

mythtv is so cool, keeps recoding cool stuff I never even knew was on

[10:56:05]

Dagmar:

You um probably want to stay away from a TiVo then. Especially if you have digital cable with lots of channels.

[10:56:17]

Dagmar:

The term "freebasing television" starts to take on a whole new meaning.

[10:56:45]

LLyric:

I'm too cheap for pay tv

[10:57:06]

LLyric:

Only got 5 free channels

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Dagmar:

We had a TiVo in the apartment in SF with iDig.

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Dagmar:

It was evil. Evil!

[10:58:01]

Dagmar:

You'd come home from work, and it would have 6–10 hours of stuff recorded that you'd want to watch, even if you've never heard of it before.

[10:58:36]

Dagmar:

...and I mean *really* want to watch. It snagged some spoof documentary about some wigger kid who wanted to get a body mod done that was unique, so he had a man shoot him in the arm.

[10:58:56]

LLyric:

Heheh

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Dagmar:

Considering the weird stuff I and my housemates like to watch, I find what they're doing with the thunbsup and thumbsdown buttons to be both amazing and terrifying, and I will never have another TiVo in my home unless I somehow become bedridden.

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Dagmar:

It even snagged an SRL performance that had been put on one of the channels.

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Dagmar:

...and I do mean SRL not SNL. Survival Research Labs. They make giant killer robots and smash them up for fun.

[11:00:27]

LLyric:

We get shit tv down here

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LLyric:

Like, we didn't start the latest _24_ until after you guys had *finished*!

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Dagmar:

Don't want to hear it, mister Bogarting the Doctor

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LLyric:

Say What?

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Dagmar:

Oh wait nevermind I forgot you're aussie, not limey

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Dagmar:

I know how you feel. SciFi is a whole season behind on Doctor Who.

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Juski:

thou shalt not share your recordings! ffs

[11:04:27]

Dagmar:

I ain't sharin' mine

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Dagmar:

I gotta bend over backwards just to be able to see the new ones.

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Dagmar:

If I ever get hassled about it, now that I'm ordering the UK DVDs that I can't even watch legally, I'm just going to demand the judge tell me which set of rules I'm supposed to follow

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Dagmar:

I'm doing my due diligence for certain now.

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misieq:

how can i set up channels with dvb-s card? full transponder scan doesn't work and neither does tuned scan. both stop at 3%

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Juski:

misieq: try 0.19-fixes

[11:16:47]

Juski:

or if you can live with bleeding edge, svn – scanning in that is vastly superior

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Dagmar:

Emphasis on bloodletting.

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Juski:

scanning & livetv are mucho improvo though ;-)

[11:20:37]

misieq:

how do i check currently installed version?

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Juski:

mythfrontend --version

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misieq:

i already use version 0.19.20060121–2, from suse repo.

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misieq:

should i compile svn version?

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Juski:

laga: did you see this btw? (eek!) http://www.flickr.com/photos/leejordan/196306 . . . 94208108256/

[11:34:42]

laga:

yeah, horrible

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laga:

;)

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laga:

Juski: btw, http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=44403

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Dagmar:

Is that for real?

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Dagmar:

He wants sound files stored on sdcards?"

[11:36:56]

Dagmar:

hehe. David Nordin: "AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA"

[11:37:46]

Juski:

wtf is that guy on, laga? should I join up & post to him to tell him to try oxygen free air for a while?

[11:38:12]

Dagmar:

ESD had a thing for caching sound files in memory for instantaneous playback, but frankly, I think the dude should just get rid of his MFM drives.

[11:38:33]

** laga snickers **

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Dagmar:

Even 96K WAV files shouldn't put enough demand on the disk to stutter without something else seriously screwing up

[11:39:43]

Dagmar:

Maybe he's trying to play a hundred or so of them at once?

[11:40:31]

Juski:

oh the guy who showed lowfat on stage is apparently interested in mythtv. I dunno what angle he'd be coming from but hopefully working on the UI

[11:41:43]

Dagmar:

Oh how i love it when construction next door makes the reinforced concrete building shudder.

[11:43:26]

Dagmar:

What would be cool is if it could parse an XML and DTD file in order to generate those configuration menus.

[11:44:09]

Juski:

have any of you seen lowfat? http://macslow.thepimp.net/?page_id=18

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Rambo3:

can i use my MCE remote to play games in mythtv

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Juski:

right now I think it's just a bunch of cool toys in search of a real application.. but it looks seriously fscking good

[11:45:24]

Dagmar:

Oh this is the thing that lets you manipulate files like so many dominoes or mah-jongg tiles?

[11:45:42]

Juski:

Rambo3: hear dof xmame? you need it for that

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Rambo3:

yes i have it installed

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Dagmar:

You might not like the latency

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Juski:

saw xmame at the show.. was surprised to learn it'll run on my puny frontends (in theory)

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Rambo3:

only bad thing about mythtv is mysql server. i aint hosting yahoo or google .

[11:50:04]

Juski:

mythtv needs _a_ database

[11:50:18]

Juski:

I lost count of the number of times I went through this with people over the weekend

[11:52:10]

Dagmar:

Yep. Defintiely

[11:52:17]

Juski:

if you don't like it, wait til you see Freevo2. from what I heard it might be for you.

[11:52:29]

Dagmar:

Without some kind of DB, keeping track of the programming schedule is gonna get very fuggly

[11:52:34]

Juski:

flat files can be messy

[11:52:52]

Dagmar:

Hey maybe the whole thing could be rewritten as a series of perl modules. :)

[11:52:57]

Dagmar:

Then we could use Tie::Hash. :)

[11:52:58]

Juski:

commflagging & editing will become really messy too

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Rambo3:

i have freevo allready , and pysqlite db , work good

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Dagmar:

Rambo3: But you only have one tuner.

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Dagmar:

Besides, mysqld isn't all that hard to deal with

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Dagmar:

You've more or less got to know SQL to use any of them in the first place.

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Rambo3:

no its not , only concerne is security and cpu usage

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Rambo3:

and i know php and SQL

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Dagmar:

Well, with the fact that it's really easy to go with a deny all policy on it, security isn't that much of an issue.

[11:55:58]

Dagmar:

If you're not trying to use that same DB to run your wiki and your mail server, it's almost trivial to lock it down.

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Rambo3:

ok that good to hear. i had some problems with seting it up , mysql was bussy and i had to grant all preveleges to mysql user *.

[11:57:19]

Rambo3:

every time i rebooted

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Juski:

shouldn't have to do that

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Dagmar:

ALl it needs that I'm aware of, is run of the mythconverg table and the ability to write temp tables

[11:58:57]

Dagmar:

...and I'm not even 100% about that last part.

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Juski:

anyway work is ongoing to cut down on the amount of queries immensely. even the very fact mysql is used isn't cast in stone – just that the devs have other business right now. that's what I was telling people

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Juski:

some folks are in no position to be dictating anything anyway :-P

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Juski:

where do freevo users go for support anyway?

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Rambo3:

to the forums

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Juski:

what I heard drom Karl Lattimer about freevo2 sounded nice. web remote, remote web viewing, menu animations... I thought it was funny that he didn't know myth had native lirc support though

[12:04:36]

Juski:

wahey my USB protocol analyser is here!

[12:05:32]

Juski:

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Juski:

I might give freevo2 a spin, just for research purposes. see how true the claim that you can have it running in 10 minutes is

[12:07:35]

Dagmar:

That's probably discounting the time it takes to configure lirc and the video tuners

[12:07:44]

laga:

i couldn't handle the array for channel frequencies in the freevo config :/ but that was a looong time ago

[12:07:56]

Rambo3:

use geexbox if you want something fast

[12:08:52]

Sakanix:

Yay! I have now 0.19 backends and frontends.. but with the upgrade I lost the ability to use the web interface

[12:09:06]

Sakanix:

I updated it just as it has said everything appears to be right

[12:09:20]

Sakanix:

but I get a silly Database Server Error

[12:09:38]

Juski:

Sakanix: so do like the error message says and look in the .htaccess file

[12:09:43]

Sakanix:

yes!!!

[12:09:45]

Sakanix:

omfg

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Sakanix:

help me it is so amazingly frustrating I want to cry

[12:10:58]

Sakanix:

Juski: you think you can help me?

[12:11:22]

laga:

Sakanix: how are we supposed to help you? you don't even give us a real error message or something else to work with.

[12:11:30]

Rambo3:

Database Server Error doesnt say much.

[12:12:00]

Sakanix:

its long

[12:12:03]

Dagmar:

I'd like to see some tears, personally.

[12:12:15]

jammyd:

:)

[12:12:27]

Juski:

yeah we have a fierce reputation as nasty cruel people to uphold ya know

[12:12:36]

Dagmar:

We do?

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Sakanix:

The database environment variables are not correctly set in the

[12:12:41]

Juski:

seriously

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Sakanix:

included .htaccess file. Please read through the comments included

[12:12:44]

Sakanix:

in the file and set up the db_* environment variables correctly.

[12:12:50]

Dagmar:

I thought it was just me who was amused by human suffering.

[12:13:02]

Juski:

Sakanix: do what it says in the error message

[12:13:05]

Dagmar:

Sakanix: That's kind of telling you what to do.

[12:13:13]

Dagmar:

http://www.rif.org

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Sakanix:

I did that

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Juski:

Dagmar: not _kind_ _of_ ..

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Dagmar:

Juski: I'm trying to be diplomatic.

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Dagmar:

That's the big difference between me and mchou.

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laga:

i think he said yesterday he was getting motivated.

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Dagmar:

Sakanix: So what db_* variables did you set and what did you set them to?

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laga:

that probably wore off early.

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Sakanix:

setenv db_server "10.0.2.195"

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Dagmar:

...and this db server is actually listening on the network?

[12:16:16]

Sakanix:

yes the mythtvfrontends on two seperate machien on the network can view streaming tv

[12:16:28]

Sakanix:

so I assume that the db is functioning correctly

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Dagmar:

Check the error_log file for httpd.

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Dagmar:

Hopefully it's saying something to stderr that will have meaning for xris

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prologic:

guess what

[12:17:35]

prologic:

I moved my cable to my cantenna

[12:17:38]

prologic:

and channel 9 has audio now :)

[12:17:40]

prologic:

funny huh!

[12:17:52]

Dagmar:

prologic: It's disturbing is what it is.

[12:17:52]

prologic:

analogue is weird

[12:17:59]

Dagmar:

That really shouldn't have been able to happen.

[12:18:00]

prologic:

tell me about it

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prologic:

you're telling me

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prologic:

it would refuse to pick up the audio

[12:18:19]

prologic:

untill I moved the damn cable

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Rambo3:

now its maby grounded

[12:18:31]

Dagmar:

Maybe a local birdie emitting interference

[12:18:37]

Sakanix:

Rewrite engine issue

[12:18:44]

prologic:

lol

[12:18:54]

Dagmar:

I don't mean the avian kind

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Sakanix:

'RewriteEngine' is an invalid command

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Dagmar:

Like an iffy lamp or the compressor in your AC or even possibly a neighbor using a "marital aid"

[12:19:57]

Dagmar:

Sakanix: Well, that's probably what's breaking it.

[12:20:17]

Sakanix:

ok now I need to ln -s somehting to something?

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Rambo3:

shutdown to rc.S

[12:21:02]

prologic:

well beats the hell outta me guys :)

[12:21:09]

prologic:

all I know is I moved the cable and presto hey it works!

[12:21:12]

Dagmar:

Sakanix: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /136038.html

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prologic:

magic :)

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Sakanix:

ok I have now put the link into place

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Sakanix:

and am still recieve the same error message this time with nothing written into error.log

[12:25:16]

Sakanix:

again I want to cry

[12:25:23]

Dagmar:

Go right ahead.

[12:25:33]

** Sakanix falls to the floor crying like a little sissygirl into his hands **

[12:26:17]

Zide:

I want a sissygirl in my hands too

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Dagmar:

What did you have these db_* variables set to _the last time_?

[12:26:22]

Zide:

or at least a girl :P

[12:26:42]

Sakanix:

db_hostname 10.0.2.195

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Sakanix:

*checks the rest*

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Sakanix:

setenv db_server "10.0.2.195"

[12:27:59]

Sakanix:

setenv db_name "mythconverg"

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Sakanix:

setenv db_login "mythtv"

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Sakanix:

setenv db_password "mythtv"

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Sakanix:

I am reading here again the htdocs directory is not doing the right thing currently

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Sakanix:

anyone still around?

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Sakanix:

was this Database Setup Error a common one?

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laga:

re Juski ;)

[12:45:31]

Juski:

indeed. cheers!

[12:45:58]

Juski:

mondays are normally bad enough without feeling like a zombie ;-)

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** Juski fills in a holiday form **

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Hoxzer:

Juski: what do you think about windows

[12:50:09]

Juski:

they're a great way to get light into a room

[12:50:15]

laga:

and fresh air

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laga:

and it's fun to smash them

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Hoxzer:

:DD

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** Juski is sure he's been asked that before **

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Juski:

or was it just the word 'zombie' made you think of windows?

[13:02:51]

Juski:

:-P

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Dagmar:

Oh look

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Dagmar:

Microsoft admits to the presence of flaws in their DHCP client that everyone else noticed, um, over a year ago actually.

[13:12:42]

Dagmar:

Go figure.

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GreyFoxx:

Which flaws are those ?

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rambo3:

as i asked can mysql depend on bash_profile

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GreyFoxx:

What do you mean by depend on it ?

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Dagmar:

Damn this is sad

[13:14:26]

Dagmar:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-036.mspx

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Dagmar:

rambo3: They've got nothing to do with each other

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: They still haven't gotten to the good one

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Dagmar:

I guess that'll be another six months in coming, if it's not stealthily patched by the patch for this one

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GreyFoxx:

hehe it probably will be :)

[13:16:30]

Dagmar:

"Microsoft has tested the following workarounds." ... "Use a static IP address". lOl

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Dagmar:

Translation: Welcome back to 1995. We missed you.

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rambo3:

is mythtv made in qt , couse its against my religion

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Dagmar:

It's actually made in India.

[13:19:46]

Dagmar:

Outsourcing isn't just for megacorporations anymore.

[13:20:27]

Dagmar:

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to port the whole thing over to wxWindows.

[13:20:33]

rambo3:

do i get a free cow

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Juski:

rambo3 are you just gonna troll here all day?

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rambo3:

yes untill my mythtv is setup

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Dagmar:

...then we can all sit around and laugh as the people with 3Ghz processors can't do software encoding anymore

[13:21:27]

Juski:

hey at least mythtv doesn't depend on python though eh? ;-)

[13:21:29]

rambo3:

ubuntu package cant install it drom .deb so i ll try from source

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Dagmar:

That's actually not very hard.

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Dagmar:

Building qt is kind of bitchy tho

[13:21:58]

tjcarter:

rambo3: hold a sec

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tjcarter:

rambo3: do whatever you have to do to get that package PURGED.

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tjcarter:

not just removed

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tjcarter:

it hosed your debconf setup for sure

[13:23:12]

tjcarter:

I have no idea if that's going to work or not, but I can post it on web if you need it

[13:24:03]

** tjcarter pokes rambo3 with a fork **

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Dagmar:

What we need is a bittorrent system that can handle individual files gracefully, and then forcibly include it into mythtv

[13:24:27]

Zide:

a fork() ?

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: qt is bitchy in general =)

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Juski:

a fork is the last thing mythtv needs

[13:25:01]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: I thought it was especially bitchy, considering that I lost my mind and compiled it before I compiled mysql.

[13:25:22]

Dagmar:

Five rounds of building to get the qt package right, and then a sixth after I realized I forgot mysql support.

[13:25:24]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: I assumed Myth wound up using it because it doesn't exactly need X

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Dagmar:

I was under the impression that it used it because it's in C++.

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tjcarter:

mere C++ness is not a reason to choose a library

[13:26:31]

Dagmar:

It is if that's the thing the author is most familiar with.

[13:26:40]

tjcarter:

and besides, Qt isn't C++ =) Else you'd never need uic and moc.

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rambo3:

tjcarter, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ you can paste those sources

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GreyFoxx:

It was more likely "What can I use that already has network support, sql access, a widget set, themeability and lots of other prebuilt classes.... oh look I have QT installed"

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Dagmar:

xforms has about that much themability already

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tjcarter:

http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d18784

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Juski:

and anyone about to accuse mythtv of being full of bloat needs to know it doesn't have to be. the distro I use for a frontend is 64MB crammfs'd

[13:34:08]

Juski:

i.e. they'd be wrong!

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Hoxzer:

...

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Hoxzer:

I dont get it :D xine is same version in my HTPC as in my main computer but in HTPC it is not able to play subtitles propellly

[13:34:46]

Hoxzer:

makes ALMOST sense

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tjcarter:

Juski: KnoppMyth is pretty lightweight too

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Zide:

same dist?

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rambo3:

thanks

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tjcarter:

Juski: it just installs 17,000 plugins too

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: What did you settle on as the base distro to make from ?

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Fnc:

juski said the other day he used the mylittlepony linux disto... said it was really pretty and he liked that

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Zide:

is there any way to try to "repair" a broken mp3 file?

[13:40:18]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: I went for zenslack & tweaked it to be English in the end :-)

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

how big uncompressed ?

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Juski:

bout 512MB but doesn't need to be

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Juski:

that's with mysql & mythbackend too.

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Juski:

oo now I've got a spare tuner... the s100 could be about to turn into a pvr

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

PCI or usb ?

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Juski:

try pci first

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Juski:

usb HDD

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GreyFoxx:

I'm pondering doing the same to one of my MSNTV's with a IDE adapter plugged into a small laptop HDD

[13:42:45]

GreyFoxx:

the mother in law wants a myth box :)

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Zide:

hehe

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Juski:

been giving serious thought to the logistical side of providing ready made boxen

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GreyFoxx:

The biggest hurdle imho is listings data

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Zide:

I'd love to have a MSNTV or similar with a tuner already hacked in there..

[13:43:53]

GreyFoxx:

configuration can be made simple, upgrades can be made simple

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Juski:

if you're only selling it in one country you can wizard-ise it

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Juski:

and no box would ship with listings data on it

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GreyFoxx:

And by the nature of using a limited set of identical ahrdware support is almost a no brainer

[13:44:43]

Juski:

image, on CD.. blat.. reinstall

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Juski:

no messing about

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GreyFoxx:

or pop in a CF card, hit update, reboot and your done

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Zide:

is there any good hardware spec info somewhere?

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jdhutchin1:

I've having trouble getting lirc support working in mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

You could use a CF card for database backups and for upgrtades

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jdhutchin1:

mplayer can use lirc, but mythtv isn't getting anything

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laga:

would be nice if you'd do db backups on a usb-stick/cf card nightly, and if something goes wrong: just restore the OS from a CD, the DB from the other medium. this assumes that recordings are on a separate partition :).

[13:46:18]

Zide:

GreyFoxx: why not just a microdrive for the whole system? :D

[13:46:37]

laga:

we talked about this yesterday in #mythtv-de. you could also disable some of the more advanced config options.

[13:46:52]

laga:

Zide: too expensive and you won't fit many recordings on there.

[13:46:58]

GreyFoxx:

laga: yeah, but even if recordings are lost, a quick and clean way to get back the software and configuration are handy

[13:47:29]

laga:

yep

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Zide:

laga: you could store the recordings over network

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laga:

selective DB backups then.

[13:48:01]

laga:

Zide: we're talking about selling pre-made mythtv boxen. i don't think that'd be a great setup.

[13:49:02]

Zide:

laga: well, then you'd have to hack in a tuner somehow.. seems to be a bunch of work for that..

[13:49:27]

Zide:

anyhoo.. msntv's doesn't seem to be available in .se at all..

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rambo3:

those VIA chip and board look good for mythtv box

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rambo3:

i mean processor

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laga:

Zide: err, ok. o_O

[13:51:03]

Zide:

laga: hm?

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laga:

Zide: what's the problem with "hacking in a tuner somehow"?

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Zide:

laga: as far as I've seen there's no pci slot or even room for one

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Zide:

for a tuner that is

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laga:

ah, i was talking about more generic hardware.

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GreyFoxx:

Zide: What piece of hardware are you referring to ?

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Zide:

GreyFoxx: the msntv thingie

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GreyFoxx:

Look again

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GreyFoxx:

There is spot for it on board, just no header

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GreyFoxx:

http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2006/03-0 . . . 242.JPG&

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GreyFoxx:

That's what I plan to use for the one I'm gonna do for the mother in law, unless I find some other hardware laying around I'm willing to part with

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Zide:

right, no header.. and no slot in the rear for the connectors.. and doesn't seem to be enough room for a PCI card at all in there..

[13:54:50]

GreyFoxx:

adding a header is trivial

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GreyFoxx:

and cutting the hole is trivial

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Zide:

especially not if you want a HDD in there too ;)

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GreyFoxx:

adn I already have the pci risers

[13:55:27]

GreyFoxx:

adding alaptop drive is simple, plenty of room for it

[13:55:28]

Zide:

GreyFoxx: cutting holes nice enough for reselling? :P

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rambo3:

http://shop.igologic.com/proddetail.asp?prod= . . . E&cat=36

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GreyFoxx:

A: I'm not planning on reselling these. IF I was I would use different custom made hardware, and B: They were talking about the s100, not the msntv :)

[13:56:20]

Zide:

ah, must've confused them..

[13:57:16]

Zide:

any links to info about the s100?

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: has a page up somewhere

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laga:

15:58 < Falballa> laga: 's100' could be (#1) http://serve.mythwiki.de/s100/pictures/, or (#2) http://www.juski.co.uk/s100, or (#3) http://www.zenega-user.de, or (#4) http://www.mythwiki.de/index.php/S100

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Zide:

thanks :D

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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Zide:

I wish there were more minipci tuners with linux support available..

[14:07:38]

stuarta:

somebody bothered to make a mini pci version?

[14:07:43]

Zide:

several

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Zide:

there's even one with hardware mpeg1/2/4 encoder

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Zide:

I believe it was even both analog and digital

[14:08:17]

jams:

wow AMD did buy ati

[14:08:26]

stuarta:

when??

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GreyFoxx:

Announced today I think

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Zide:

jams: yesterday it was just talk about it

[14:09:01]

GreyFoxx:

http://serve.mythwiki.de/s100/pictures/,

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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stuarta:

wonder if there is any hope of better linux support now...

[14:09:20]

GreyFoxx:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPre . . . 0899,00.html

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** laga waits for janneg to chime in with a "tell news" *grumble* **

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Zide:

I wonder who gets hurt most, amd or ati.. :P

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Zide:

I don't like any of them :)

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stuarta:

i like it....

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Zide:

I'm more of an intel+nvidia person

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Zide:

not as one company tho

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janneg:

laga: the AMD price cuts are the old "news"

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laga:

janneg: sure, but it got confirmed now. before that, i was only rumours.

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stuarta:

!trout laga price gun weilding

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** MythLogBot slaps laga with a price gun weilding trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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** laga slaps stuarta a bit around with a grumpy german **

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Juski:

afternoon stuarta

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stuarta:

hey Juski, survive lugradio?

[14:22:09]

Juski:

almost :-)

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stuarta:

go well?

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Juski:

survive people treating me like I was a developer, or asking how they can buy "your product".. heh

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rambo3:

i could have made my own mythtv buy now.

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Juski:

went very well actually, even despite 'my first public demo presentation'

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laga:

Juski: you should have sold them the source *shrug*

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Juski:

yeh laga but I almost have a conscience

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laga:

Juski: darn.

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Juski:

can you say c o m m u n i t y ? ;-)

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stuarta:

ah, but you are allowed to charge for the distribution medium. cd's @5 quid a pop

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stuarta:

beer money....

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Juski:

bugger. we gave away 70 cds

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stuarta:

any photos?

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Juski:

www.juski.co.uk/ourstand.png and I posted some flickr links earlier

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Jasper:

omg...I'm back

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Jasper:

:P

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Juski:

overall the reception from peeps was very very good. talked to a freevo developer – sounds like freevo2 is gonna be nice. lots of people hate myth's mysql dependency though, I found

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Jasper:

hello juski

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** stuarta tries to find Juski in a photo.... **

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Juski:

hiya Jasper

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stuarta:

ahah!

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Juski:

there'll be video available of the demo & all the stuff at LRL eventually. not sure how I feel about that yet

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stuarta:

be afraid.....

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Juski:

oh and the impromptu interview I did for their radio show....

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Jasper:

I'm gonna install mythtv again after half a year of rest with it :P

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Jasper:

hmm

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Jasper:

harddisks..

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Jasper:

they are a bitch

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Hoxzer:

:( why my mythfrontend got stuck on "watch records" menu :((

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Hoxzer:

and now after 10mins it goes back to the main

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stuarta:

Hoxzer: bad recording maybe?

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Hoxzer:

stuarta: :/ I just removed all of them

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Hoxzer:

acutally it got stuck when I removed record

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Jasper:

weee

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Jasper:

wireless is also good :P

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Hoxzer:

BUt that is not bad bug as it is only matter of time till it moves back to main

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mooey:

howdy. i'm trying to install mythtv (using 0.19 fixes branch) – its compiled & i've installed it into the prefix /opt/myth. my understanding is that the next thing todo is to run mythtv-setup, which runs (though, it complains about missing blue theme) but all it says is "if this is the master backend server, please run mythfilldatabase to populate channel information'

[14:52:29]

mooey:

and, running mythfilldatabase basically tells me to run mythtv-setup :~~)

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laga:

you gotta fix that missing theme issue first

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mooey:

i figured as much

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Hoxzer:

somebody should edit imdb script so that it would automatically add covers to the film

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mooey:

it dosen't seem to like being installed in /opt, as i had to fix the library path

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laga:

Hoxzer: it does, iirc

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mooey:

where does myth look for themes?

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Hoxzer:

iirc? means waht?

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Juski:

/usr/share/mythtv/themes

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mooey:

iirc = if i remember correcrlly

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laga:

Hoxzer: if i recall correctly

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Juski:

or /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes

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Hoxzer:

Oh

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Hoxzer:

Ok... didn't do with me when I tested with over there

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Jasper:

am I gonna get gentoo and mythtv on 512 mb..

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Jasper:

guess not....

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Hoxzer:

it is series anyway so ...

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Jasper:

Juski what do you think?

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Jasper:

gentoo and myth on 512 mb?

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Juski:

Jasper: ymmv ;-) I managed it as a linux noob, so erm.. ;-)

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mooey:

right. the themes are in /opt/myth/share/themes, when running any of the myth apps it says "runtime prefix" is /usr/local – i'm guessing i need to change that prefix but i've got no idea where to look

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Jasper:

hmm...that leaves no space for recordings I think 8)

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Jasper:

maybe in pixel quality :P:

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Juski:

Jasper: assumed you meant RAM

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laga:

mooey: make sure there are no old libs or anything in /usr/local

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Juski:

mooey: were you at LRL yesterday & did we natter in #lugradio last night? memory is kinda hazy today

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mooey:

Juski, indeed :)

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mooey:

the hour of power demo inspired me to try installing it again

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Juski:

_that_ inspired someone? !!!! yay!

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mooey:

yup

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mooey:

and my friend also, whom i think you may have chatted to

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** Juski dances for a sec **

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mooey:

he probably talked at you for hours about iptv :p

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Juski:

my 'who I talked to' counter overflowed very early on

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mooey:

i bet :)

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Juski:

I was inspired by the xmame cabinet – for some reason I'd always assumed I'd need more horseypower

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mooey:

all the hour of power stuff was amazing

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mooey:

i thought the assembly tv demos were quite incredible :)

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Anduin:

mooey: Short of a recompile, there is the MYTHTVDIR environment variable.

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mooey:

Anduin, i'm recompiling now :) i built it with the prefix /usr/local, then reconfigured it with /opt/myth and didn't make clean before rebuilding & installing it

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Hoxzer:

maan I keep seeing missile flying to my face

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Hoxzer:

:/ little bit too much BF2

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Juski:

mooey: I went all gooey over the assembly stuff but even moreso for lowfat

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** Juski was so tired last night he could see trails on moving objects **

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Juski:

ran mythfilldatabase a good few times & the upcoming recordings list isn't being purged, so erm.. upgrading to 0.19-fixes might've fixed it. I hope so

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Doku:

Is anyone using XBMC MuthTV?

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Doku:

Sorry, Myth

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Juski:

Doku: kind of

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tjcarter:

this is irc, we can all read typoese.

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Juski:

Doku: no livetv doesn't work in it

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Zide:

engaeg spelelcehck

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Doku:

I don't really care about live tv. Just recording and commercial skip

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tjcarter:

fur sail: macro shaft speel chequer, works grate!

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Zide:

I don't even care about that ;)

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Juski:

Doku: cool. what's the problem then?

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mooey:

Juski, ah yea, forgot about lowfat – that was sweet :D did you get a chance to see murcos lowfat talk?

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Doku:

No problem, I just wanted to know if anyone was using it. I've had my XBox modded for quite a while and I use it constantly. I get some TV shows like Pinks from iTunes, but I want to watch it over the XBox (an age old delima). I just wanted to see if it worked well and stuff.

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Juski:

mooey: I was too busy with our stand to see much. I'll catch up with the videos & audio when they're online

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Doku:

I had a mythbox back in the 0.13 era, but having the modded xbox kinda satisfied most of my needs, so I never rebuilt it.

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Doku:

What's wrong with the live TV?

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Juski:

Doku: xbmcmythtv works pretty well for watching recorded shows. sometimes crashy though

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Doku:

Hmm

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Juski:

livetv in xbmcmythtv hasnt worked since the ringbuffer was taken out of mythtv

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Doku:

Well, should I just rebuild my MythBox or use the xbmc version? I had Stepmania with PSJoys on my MythBox, that was nice. I can do the same on the XBox if I bother rebuilding my pads for XBox controllers. ;-P I also liked MythVideo

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Doku:

:-/ All the emulators and stuff worked great on Myth too, but they also work great on XBox. hmm

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Juski:

doesn't crash that often to be honest, and linux on the xbox runs like a bag o spanners

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Juski:

you can reboot xbmcmythtv in like 30 seconds ;-)

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Doku:

Yeah, I know. I had an XBox MythTV

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Doku:

That was seriously slow

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Doku:

Also, I didn't like sucking up that much hard drive space with linux

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Doku:

I have ... uhh... other reasons to use that space...

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Doku:

Yeah...

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mooey:

Juski, :) theres lots of cool talks i didn't see either. videos from last year didn't get posted, i hope this year they do!

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Doku:

Should I just install Myth 0.18 so I have a ring buffer? Does XBMCMyth work better with 0.18?

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Juski:

I wouldn't

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Doku:

Why not? I'd put 0.14 on there just cause I have the most exp with it. ;)

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Doku:

It's just a recording back end. What's the whizbang feature of 0.19.1?

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Juski:

well, just a personal thing I suppose. go for it if you have nothing to lose

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Doku:

So I'll get a usable ringbuffer in 0.18?

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laga:

0.19 can cut mpeg2 recordings <3

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Doku:

Ahhhhhh

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Juski:

trying to fix the python so livetv works in xbmcmythtv might win you some kudos though

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Doku:

I was working on a myth plugin back in the day that used transcode to read the cuts and assemble an mpeg4 that was sorted like iTunes in the mythvideo plugin

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** Doku is not a Python developer **

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Doku:

I do C/C++, Java, and PHP. I guess I could learn Python

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Doku:

I assume by now someone already wrote that plugin

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Juski:

I'm not a c++ programmer but it didn't stop me doing a patch for myth (it almost did though) ;-)

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Doku:

I wanted it to work more like CD ripping than a TiVo. Basically I set what shows(tracks) I want recorded and I eventually get commercial cut divxes in my videos folder like "magic". :)

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Doku:

They had some transcode thingie in there at the time, but it was just compression to save space and didn't make very good mpeg4s

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laga:

you can have user jobs now.

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laga:

like, freely-defined tasks that can be run on recordings

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Doku:

Ahh cool

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stuarta:

who needs a sales team when you have -users :)

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laga:

:)

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Doku:

So, basically there's no local buffer for the stream so it pops till it's so out of sync it crashes XBMC Myth?

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Doku:

Is there a built-in method for burning DVD backups of your shows yet?

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Doku:

Like, not video DVDs, just DVD data

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laga:

mytharchive might just do tht (iirc), but it only works with svn trunk. it'll be usable wih 0.20, i suppose

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jams:

I think mytharchive has that ability

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stuarta:

works okay for me.

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Juski:

heh. spent a lot of time telling people about what's (probably) coming in 0.20 over the weekend. much excitement about mytharchive :-)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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stuarta:

not surprised...

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Hoxzer:

did you do it for me <3

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** stuarta is leaving for a week in Switzerland on Thu... **

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stuarta:

sound like my august

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Juski:

I want an apt-get alife t-shirt

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Hoxzer:

:D

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stuarta:

what went on the back of the lugradio shirts ?

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Juski:

nothing in the end. I had a chromatogram on the front of mine by lunchtime though

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Juski:

tip.. don't wear inkjet xfer t-shirts in summertime :-/

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mooey:

wooo, mythtv works o/

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Juski:

another (hem) myth dispelled ;-)

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** stuarta groans **

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mooey:

is there a setting to alter what resolution mythfrontend uses?

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GreyFoxx:

mooey: when running in a window ?

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mooey:

GreyFoxx, full screen

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Juski:

mooey: it'll fill the screen by default, but you can have separate video modes for playback & gui (see utils/setup > setup > tv > playback)

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GreyFoxx:

mooey: Reconfigure X ?:)

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mooey:

i want to run it on my pc, not a media center :)

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GreyFoxx:

So, are you trying to get it to run fullscren on your PC or as a window ?

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Juski:

tick the 'run mythfrontend in a window' box & set the size & position in the appearance menus

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Juski:

*oops not the position

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mooey:

im confused. i want mythtv to change the resolution to 800x600 or so when i run mythfrontend, is it possible? :)

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mooey:

or do i have todo it manually?

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GreyFoxx:

And or set it to run in awindow and run mythfrontend with a -geometry setting to tell it how large/where to place it

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GreyFoxx:

You actually want it to run fullscreen, but change the resolution rather than just scaling to the fullscreen current res?

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mooey:

yup

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mooey:

im using grabimage, and it lags somewhat at 1280x1024 :D

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GreyFoxx:

what is grabimage ?:)

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mooey:

the alternative to xv, i thought o_O

[16:01:36]

GreyFoxx:

Never heard of it :)

[16:01:38]

mooey:

i am likely talking out of my backside :)

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Zide:

alternative to xv would be x11 imo :P

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mooey:

i was using xawtv before and the only method it would use to display tv was 'grabimage'

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mooey:

and i read something simmilar about xv or grabimage in $a_myth_document

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GreyFoxx:

heh I think grabimage is just for reading the data from the capture card, not for the actual display :)

[16:03:54]

GreyFoxx:

Only frambuffer style capture cards would read in an image at a time

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GreyFoxx:

but it could very well be something else with jusst a crappy name

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mooey:

yea

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mooey:

and then it scales the image to my resolution

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mooey:

which is why i think its very choppy

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GreyFoxx:

Well, myth wouldn't be using it

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GreyFoxx:

unless it's just invisibly replacing XV from an applications perspective

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mooey:

possibly, though i dont think it is

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mooey:

is xv a module that needs loading into xorg?

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GreyFoxx:

no, you shouldn't have to load anything. As long as X is using the proper accelerated driver for your graphics chipset

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Zide:

xv is a driver for the program displaying video, not for xorg :)

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stuarta:

it's also short for xvideo which is an X extension....

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mooey:

O_O

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vidnis:

anyone know how to stop this error ? Happens during live or prerecorded playback – NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!

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vidnis:

audio out is ALSA:spdif on a frontend machine

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vidnis:

sounds fine but throws that error

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Zide:

does audio sound weird?

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vidnis:

n

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Fnc-1:

GreyFoxx: you around?

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** Juski wishes adobe would make an opengl pdf reader **

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Dagmar:

For god's sake why?

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Dagmar:

Do you really want your browser taking a half hour to spin a PDF file onto your screen?

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laga:

that's the way it is currently ;)

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laga:

i hate .pdf for documents.

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gnychis:

how can i increase the volume in mythtv without increasing my PCM/Master ?

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gnychis:

the tv audio seems to be so much lower than any other audio on my computer, so if i increase pcm/master ... its still very unbalanced

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Juski:

Dagmar: with a scrollymouse you used to be able to go thru a whole pdf doc page by page. not anymore. be nice to be able to use mouse gestures to navigate too.. and zoom in & out

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Juski:

doesn't have to be opengl.. anything'd be better than what it does now ;-)

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j2:

Hello! I know this is more a IVTV issue, but i wonder if anybody here has managed to build IVTV-XDriver on Debian/Etch?

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Juski:

j2: silly question but do you have the kernel source & build tools installed ?

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GreyFoxx:

Fnc: Am now

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j2^:

Juski: Kernel source yes. And i do have an assortment of other tools, and i can build stuff :) But what more precisely are thesew "build tools"?

[17:15:47]

Juski:

j2^: if you can already build stuff you should have everything

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j2^:

Juski: Take a look at http://pastebin.ca/98595 noi mather what source dir i try, i get that.

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j2^:

I just want PVR-350 TV out with XV :) (since i have hit a wierd bug in using the MythNative support for PVR-350)

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j2^:

Ohhh... dinner is burning.... Will bbiab! :)

[17:17:34]

Juski:

I think I've seen that error before, but I haven't got a pvr350

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Juski:

one for the ivtv ml methinks

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Fnc-1:

GreyFoxx sent ya a '/msg

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GreyFoxx:

Fnc: are you registered ?

[17:24:06]

Fnc-1:

maybe not this nick.. since im online at home too

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Fnc-1:

was wondering about a howto on the msn stuff if you had a link for one

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GreyFoxx:

Only link I had was the original site on it and that's dead at the moment

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Fnc-1:

got cha

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GreyFoxx:

normally it's www.toc2rta.com

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Fnc-1:

saw that

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Anduin:

There are two other sites (copies), I'll dig up the links.

[17:29:41]

Fnc-1:

those things still in use.. see them being sold new for 200 bux

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Fnc-1:

?

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GreyFoxx:

new

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GreyFoxx:

$20 or so on ebay

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Fnc-1:

yeah noticed that...

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Anduin:

http://jpedty.net/msntv2hack and http://www.smittys.pointclark.net/rm4100/index.php have basic copies.

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Fnc-1:

cool

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Anduin:

Fnc-1: The single tip I'd pass on is that the attribute flag on the files is meaningless, case is what actually seems to make the difference.

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mchou:

wow!

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Hoxzer:

mchou: ?

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Hoxzer:

like for sure

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mchou:

Hoxzer: Just haerd the Dragon Naturally Speaking 9 needs no training and is very accurate.

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mchou:

heard*

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mchou:

Hoxzer: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5577523

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Hoxzer:

:o

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Hoxzer:

is that for linux?

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mchou:

Hoxzer: nope

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mchou:

But nuance owns Dragon now, and they are a real speech company

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Hoxzer:

god damn I was thinking that I could make my mythbox regonize me saying "wank me" and then star showing radomly porn

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mchou:

holy shit. AMD buys ATL??

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mchou:

ATI*

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Hoxzer:

How oh, how

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Hoxzer:

I cannot understaaand

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Hoxzer:

Like I do port forward -> doesn't work

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Hoxzer:

ok thx

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rambo3:

libmythtv-0.19.so.0 error while loading shared librarys no such file or directory

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sphery:

now I can say, have you done an ldconfig?

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rambo3:

hilfe , das ist kaine aine swaine

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GreyFoxx:

as part of a "make install" myth will run ldconfig (assuming you installed as root). If running ldconfig doesn't find it, see if you need to add the path to where it got installed to /etc/ld.so.conf

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rambo3:

ok thx , i ran ldconfig

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rambo3:

its $PATH thats not set

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GreyFoxx:

Weird, I wouldn't expect a lack of a PATH pointing to where the binary is to cause that issue

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sphery:

rambo3: Perhaps you have multiple copies of myth installed and the one that was in the PATH linked to a different version of the libs?

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sphery:

If so, you might want to clean up the old isntall

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psofa:

hey anyone here successfully used mupen64 on his box?

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psofa:

it seems crap to me

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mchou:

psofa: then stop using it

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psofa:

mchou, im not using it.i have just tried

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psofa:

and the results were crap

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psofa:

so im asking if anyone has gotten good results with it

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mchou:

If it looks and smells like shit, then it's mostly likely shit

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rambo3:

sphery, and how would i go about that . i uninstalled with --purge mythtv. but i see that there are 0.19 and 0.19.0 files in libs

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psofa:

:)

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mchou:

no independent verification required :)

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rambo3:

nope its ok . its only one version that i unisntalled from repos, and then installed from source

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sphery:

rambo3: I don't know how your package manager works, so I can't help.

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sphery:

sorry

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Juski:

upgraded to 0.19-fixes last night.. upcoming recordings list is as busy as it should be. so far so good :-)

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Juski:

so ayyy what about ati being bought out by amd eh?

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jonK:

anyone around?

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galorin:

there are a few here yes

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jonK:

anyone know what might cause an ivtv initialization error -5

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Doku:

Oh hey, is anyone here using an onboard TV out that looks decent over s-video?

[19:09:49]

jonK:

I think one of my pvr500's has gone bad

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Juski:

Doku: yeah. Via Epia M-10000

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Doku:

Does the Epia have what it takes to play large Divx files? Like the 720x480 variety?

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Juski:

I dunno

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Doku:

I've been thinking about using an Epia with embeded linux for some side projects.

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Doku:

VIA's history with DMA problems bothers me tho

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Juski:

ymmv with any platform

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Juski:

every manufacturer takes shortcuts

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Doku:

Yeah. I went through 3 video cards before I found that AOpen uses quality TV out chips

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Pio:

i have a channel that mythfilldatabase is failing to populate listings for..

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sphery:

Pio, what grabber?

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Pio:

i'm using zap2it.. can i change the XMLTV ID or something to get this channel pointed at the correct data on zap2it?

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sphery:

What version of Myth?

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Pio:

one sec..

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Pio:

.19

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Pio:

gentoo is calling it 0.19_p9163-r1

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Pio:

i've had this prob for a while though.. at one point, i think i did a little fiddling, and i actually somehow had 2 channels for this channel, one that had listing data and one that didnt..

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Pio:

does that XMLTV ID field have any meaning to zap2it?

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

Is that really 0.19-fixes SVN rev 9163?

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sphery:

What does mythfrontend --version give you?

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Pio:

Library API version: 0.19.20060121–2

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Pio:

is there some known issues regarding this kind of thing in that version or something?

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** Pio tries --do_channel_updates **

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sphery:

There have been several fixes to mythfilldatabase in 0.19-fixes post r9163 and in SVN head.

[19:26:02]

sphery:

It looks like the 0.19-fixes changes won't have an effect (on this, although, if you are using r9163, you'd really benefit from getting a newer version for other reasons).

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Pio:

hmm

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sphery:

And, I don't think the ones in SVN head that may have an effect on this problem will ever be committed to 0.19-fixes (too many new features and code changes).

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sphery:

So, did you just now create this videosource?

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Pio:

no, its been like this for quite a while

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sphery:

Or is it just a new channel that was added by DataDirect?

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Pio:

nope its been there forever

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sphery:

Just never got data?

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Pio:

in fact i think there are several others with the same NO DATA stuff but i dont care about them

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Pio:

this whole line-up was created quite a while ago

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sphery:

Normally, my recommendation would be to delete the videosource and re-create it.

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Pio:

yeah

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Pio:

its been around so long, and I've done fiddling to the channels i cant remember

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Pio:

i'll try that

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sphery:

That would clean out all the channels and repopulate them; thereby ensuring a proper linkage between mythtv's channel ID's and the XMLTV ID's.

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Pio:

cool

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sphery:

That was either fast or you found something else...

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Pio:

no i mean, cool, sounds good :)

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sphery:

Oh, replying to my other message...

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Pio:

yeah

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sphery:

Thought you were a mad typist...

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Pio:

im digging up my zap2it login/password heh

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sphery:

yeah, that will be necessary

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rambo3:

how do i add now i found /usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.19 . so.0 and added /us/local/lib to ld.so.conf and did sudo /sbin/ldconfig but it didnt help

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GreyFoxx:

rambo3: As root run this. ldconfig -v | grep libmythtv

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GreyFoxx:

what does it return ?

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rambo3:

Cant stat /usr/local/lib/mythtv/usr/local/lib

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RandomDude16:

wtf, all of a sudden my scheculed recordings list goes away in myth.

[19:37:06]

RandomDude16:

I had a bunch of stuff scheculed to be recorded now and its all gone.

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rambo3:

cant stat /lib64 and /usr/lib64

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GreyFoxx:

rambo3: reedit your ld.so.conf. You have a messed up entry. It should only be "/usr/local/lib"

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GreyFoxx:

not /usr/local/lib/mythtv/usr/local/lib

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rambo3:

yeah i know i dont know how it got there

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GreyFoxx:

I wouldn't know :)

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sphery:

RandomDude16: Using MythTV 0.19 and MySQL 5?

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** GreyFoxx doesn't use distros that auto edit his ld.so.conf **

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sphery:

OK.

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sphery:

Guess he doesn't want to talk...

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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rambo3:

whell i somehow asumed that : would separate those 2 . anyway i have missmatch protocol now backend 26 frontend 15

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rambo3:

thanks for help on first one

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Pio:

sphery, looks to have solved it, thanks

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GreyFoxx:

Ok, looks like you are using two different versions of myth

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GreyFoxx:

Is the frontend on the same machine as the backend ?

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rambo3:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

then it would appear that you still have some of the old package installed

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Juski:

I just had a big issue with upcoming recordings vanishing, running mysql4. I think it's been okay since I upgraded to 0.19-fixes, but only time will tell

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RandomDude16:

Ok, what's the DB table that has the name of all the schedule recordings?

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Juski:

RandomDude16: I just had a big issue with upcoming recordings vanishing, running mysql4. I think it's been okay since I upgraded to 0.19-fixes, but only time will tell

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stuarta:

huh? vanishing?

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Juski:

only running mythbackend --resched would fix it, but the mystery was _why_ they vanished in the 1st place

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stuarta:

indeed

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Juski:

no corrupt tables.. nothing in the logs about the db server going away

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Juski:

happenned 2 or 3 times last week. at first I put it down to the fact I'd been messing about a lot with the demo box.. 2 master BE on the same network... I had no idea what caused it

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Juski:

the fact it happenned while the other box was away for the weekend told me it had nothing to do with that ;-)

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Juski:

the next suspect is that both my ~/.mythtv/vidsource.xmltv files are hand-tweaked, but I could swear blind I'd not changed anything in them for months, and things were fine since then

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sphery:

Pio: Glad you got it working. Enjoy.

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RandomDude16:

yeah Juski I had it too.

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sphery:

RandomDude16: You're using MySQL version less than 5?

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RandomDude16:

yes

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sphery:

OK.

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Pio:

sphery, heh got confused for a second because i forgot to re-do my input connection.. everything is perfect now :)

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RandomDude16:

UGH my program datas gone

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sphery:

Yeah. Should have mentioned the full process (delete and re-create video source and /then/ associate with inputs), I guess.

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RandomDude16:

this is really pissing me off

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sphery:

RandomDude16: Sounds like you're losing MySQL connections...

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RandomDude16:

Juski which distro you running?

[19:57:12]

sphery:

Do you have 0.19-fixes?

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rambo3:

ok now mythtv backend is missing

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RandomDude16:

0.18.1.-3ubuntu3

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RandomDude16:

is what im running

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sphery:

Hmmm.

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rambo3:

i installed my from source on ubuntu

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RandomDude16:

should I put reps in ubuntu?

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RandomDude16:

with newer version?

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sphery:

RandomDude16: I forgot all important stuff about that version about 2 years ago... :)

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sphery:

All I can say is that it will not work with MySQL 5.

[19:59:27]

sphery:

But it sounds like that's not the issue with yours...

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RandomDude16:

i dont have myswl 5

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RandomDude16:

*mysql

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sphery:

right.

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sphery:

So, I won't be much help.

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RandomDude16:

my shows didnt get recroded ><

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RandomDude16:

*recorded

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Juski:

RandomDude16: gentoo

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rambo3:

sql qestion how do i empty a database , i am getting duplicated error on mythbackend startup. " TV-Playback ADJUST "

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Juski:

is this #mysql ? ;-)

[20:02:17]

Juski:

delete <databasename> or delete <tablename> I guess

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rambo3:

its mythtv

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Led-Hed:

delete mythconverg

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rambo3:

i dont want to delete i want to truncate

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Led-Hed:

??

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Juski:

there's a mysql command called truncate iirc

[20:03:36]

Led-Hed:

you could mysqldump --nodata, then recreate it.

[20:03:43]

Led-Hed:

--no-data

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rambo3:

Led-Hed, truncate ampety a database , delete -> null

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Juski:

Led-Hed: truncate deletes the _contents_ of a table, not the table itself AFAIK

[20:04:04]

Led-Hed:

ahh

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RandomDude16:

how do I upgrade to mythtv 0.19?

[20:04:46]

RandomDude16:

i cant find reps

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Led-Hed:

RandomDude16: can you be a little less specific?

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psofa:

xD

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lelo_1966:

I have a questions about ripping dvd's? I realize I have to install libdecss but I can not find any info anywhere on this subject.

[20:08:38]

lelo_1966:

Is there anywhere I can get information on libdecss?

[20:08:42]

Led-Hed:

lelo_1966: ripping within MythTV?

[20:08:51]

lelo_1966:

yes

[20:08:57]

Led-Hed:

what distro?

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lelo_1966:

fedora c4

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Led-Hed:

I've never had a problem ripping with FC4, did you do a minimal install?

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lelo_1966:

I followed the steps from wilsonet

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Led-Hed:

humm. same here

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lelo_1966:

I tried ripping a kids movie to test and it was scrambled

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Led-Hed:

how are you ripping? ISO, perfect?

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lelo_1966:

I have ripped a DVD and removed the copyright sig and I am going to test it out when I get home

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lelo_1966:

ISO and I tried perfect

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lelo_1966:

both with the same results

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lelo_1966:

I looked around and everyone keeps talking about these libdecss that need to be installed

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RandomDude16:

I can't find APT repositories with MythTv 0.19.

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Juski:

RandomDude16: which distro did you say you were running? ubuntu? which version? there's a repository for Dapper at thehamsta.net :-) No breezy repo for 0.19 though iirc

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Led-Hed:

do you have libdecss installed?

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lelo_1966:

not sure how would I know

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Led-Hed:

locate libdecss

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RandomDude16:

kubuntu

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RandomDude16:

6.06 dapper

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lelo_1966:

where are they ??

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rambo3:

no truncate on database only tables there was DELETE DATABASE mythconverg ;

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Led-Hed:

no, run the command locate

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lelo_1966:

led-hed: standby

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RandomDude16:

thehamsta.net wont load

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lelo_1966:

led-hed: I am having to run updatedb. I got "login as: root

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lelo_1966:

root@hookem.gotdns.com 's password:

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lelo_1966:

Last login: Mon Jul 24 11:04:39 2006 from 12.171.176.254

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lelo_1966:

[root@mythmonster ~]# locate libdecss

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lelo_1966:

warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory

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lelo_1966:

warning: You need to run the 'updatedb' command (as root) to create the database.

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lelo_1966:

Please edit /etc/updatedb.conf to enable the daily cron job.

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lelo_1966:

[root@mythmonster ~]# updatedb

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lelo_1966:

[root@mythmonster ~]#

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Led-Hed:

lelo_1966: login as root or su

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Led-Hed:

then run locate -u

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Led-Hed:

that will update, then run locate libdecss

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lelo_1966:

[root@mythmonster ~]# I ran locate libdecss and it returned nothing

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lelo_1966:

Led-Hed: It doesnt appear that the libdecss are installed

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Led-Hed:

what about transcode

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Juski:

RandomDude16: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/archive/o_t/t . . . tu_repo.html

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lelo_1966:

Led-Hed: It looks like there is a directory called transcode and it has several files in it

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RandomDude16:

thanks installing those files now

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makomk:

WTF? I'm using latest SVN, and it's incorrectly decided an episode of Lost was previously recorded and ignores any attempt to tell it that it wasn't...

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lelo_1966:

Led-Hed: any other ideas?

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Led-Hed:

looking

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lelo_1966:

Thx

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Led-Hed:

lelo_1966: if it makes you feel any better, I dont have libdecss installed and I can rip just fine

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lelo_1966:

no not really! :)

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Led-Hed:

have you tried other DVD's ?

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lelo_1966:

no, ill give it a shot when I get home

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lelo_1966:

thanks for the help anyways

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lelo_1966:

seems like there is nothing on the subject anywhere

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Juski:

makomk: mythtv develops taste in TV shows the longer you have it installed :-P

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RandomDude16:

Ok.

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** stuarta coughs, splutters & rofl **

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RandomDude16:

do I need to reboot?

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Juski:

RandomDude16: stop mythbackend if you haven't already, and run mythtv-setup

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Juski:

don't change anything, then quit out of it, then restart mythbackend

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makomk:

Heh. Anyway, removing it from "recorded programs" worked fine (I may have accidentally marked it not to record...). It just needed a bit of persuasion is all...

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RandomDude16:

its not letting me sotp the backend...

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RandomDude16:

*stop

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RandomDude16:

Stopping MythTV server: mythbackend No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.

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Juski:

RandomDude16: you either stopped it earlier, or something else did – or else it'd crashed

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RandomDude16:

it still says its running

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RandomDude16:

when I go in mythtv-setup

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makomk:

Wow O_o – Channel 4 haven't overlapped the showing of this episode with that of the next one on E4; I can actually record both (unless Big Brother overruns again – you need Freeview+EIT to record Channel 4 or E4 reliably at this time of year and night...)

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RandomDude16:

ugh well ill be back

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RandomDude16:

restarting

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RandomDude16:

i cant even open mythfrontend now.

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RandomDude16:

you know what.

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RandomDude16:

im redoing the whole DB

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RandomDude16:

Session management error: Could not open network socket

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RandomDude16:

how do I fix that?

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laga:

i think that's normal.

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laga:

for mythbackend, that is

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RandomDude16:

do I have to forward ports?

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laga:

depends on your network configuration :)

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laga:

Juski: msg nickserv set unfiltered on

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RandomDude16:

well im only running it

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RandomDude16:

on one computer

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RandomDude16:

although I might put a frontend on another

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psofa:

RandomDude16, if you are on a lan an no firewall ports are open

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RandomDude16:

http://24.27.200.3/mythweb – whats up with that?

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Juski:

RandomDude16: the error message says it all. you don't have mysql support in your php

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** Juski makes a note of the IP address to have some scheduling fun when RandomDude16 gets mythweb working **

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Juski:

as soon as you get it working, at the very least put password protection on it

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Juski:

RandomDude16: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP

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RandomDude16:

thanks man

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s34n:

how much CPU does myth really need?

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RandomDude16:

I need to have mysql5?

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RandomDude16:

nvm

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Juski:

RandomDude16: no mysql4 is fine

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Juski:

s34n: qualify your question please

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stuarta:

RandomDude16: mysql4 is preferred.

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Juski:

s34n: for recording & tv watching, it depends on the type of tv tuner. with hauppauge pvr cards or DVB tuners, very little CPU is used (think <5% on an athlon 800 system) during recording. v4l software encoding needs a _lot_ more CPU, as do jobs like commercial flagging & transcoding

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Juski:

playback of standard definition (i.e. not HDTV) mpeg2 needs > 500Mhz without help from hardware decoding, I'd recommend

[21:13:53]

s34n:

Juski: which is generally better for myth? asic encoders or software encoders?

[21:14:22]

Juski:

s34n: without a shadow of a doubt, _not_ software encoders

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Juski:

if you need closed caption/subtitle support it's a different story right now though

[21:14:45]

Zide:

not even a thin shadow? ;)

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Juski:

^^^ that's yer thin shadow

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stuarta:

not even the dodgy outline of a shadow

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Juski:

CC support is the _only_ advantage that software encoders offer over hardware models right now. Even then that's only til ivtv gets CC support for the pvr150 & pvr500 cards

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Juski:

at this point I have to mention that CC is fully supported by the pvr250 & pvr350 cards, and subtitles etc come as standard when you have a DVB tuner (assuming your channels carry them)

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Juski:

to cite an example.. I tried a software encoder last christmas holidays.. it looked like VHS compared to the DVD-like quality of the pvr150 card on the same source

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RandomDude16:

I like mythtv 0.19 way more.

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s34n:

so with hardware to handle encoding/decoding, any minimal cpu should run myth?

[21:21:29]

laga:

s34n: p3 450 + gf4 mx (XvMC) does the trick for me. it's not pretty, but it works. playback looks quite good, i might add.

[21:21:37]

laga:

way better than on my pundit *sigh*

[21:23:33]

s34n:

so for an economy mythtv box, spend money on the tuner card and TV-out instead of RAM and CPU?

[21:23:43]

GreyFoxx:

Forthemost part yes

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RandomDude16:

http://24.27.200.3/mythweb/

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** GreyFoxx watches random scramble to kill apache **

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Beirdo:

heh

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haj:

for an economy box a PVR-350 might be a good choice.... ?

[21:25:15]

haj:

laga: how well is the TVout on your gf4 ?

[21:25:29]

GreyFoxx:

Nah,you can spoent that money on multiple pvr150's. No use spending it on a 350

[21:25:31]

laga:

haj: i like it, i think it's not bad. quite usable. :)

[21:25:35]

GreyFoxx:

there just isn;t enough benefit

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s34n:

What do most people typically spend for a myth backend? frontend?

[21:25:54]

haj:

GreyFoxx: okay.. what do i know, i use a PVR-500 :)

[21:26:18]

GreyFoxx:

I spent like $300 for the drives, and another $200 for my tuners

[21:26:27]

GreyFoxx:

Spread over several years

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haj:

laga: okay.. i'm planning to use some PCI Geforce FX-card of some kind for mythfrontend.

[21:27:03]

haj:

laga: i already use my backend box as a workstation, so i'll need another card to make it my frontend also ;)

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GreyFoxx:

haj: Actually I can get it to run a seperate X session on the TVout only,

[21:27:50]

GreyFoxx:

so 1 X session forthe VGA out, and 1 for TVout

[21:28:02]

GreyFoxx:

but it takes some X configuration wizardry

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haj:

GreyFoxx: uhm.. nice, i'll just have to check if my current card has TVout.. i'm already using both VGA-outputs

[21:29:14]

haj:

hom.. it does have TVout.. wonder if i can use 3 outputs at once...

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** laga doubts that **

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laga:

but i'm not sure :)

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GreyFoxx:

I've only tried it on a single card with a single vga out :)

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s34n:

many mini-itx enthusiasts around?

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haj:

i don't think i can

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Juski:

s34n: yep

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s34n:

Juski: do you use onboard TVout, or do you add a card?

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GreyFoxx:

hrm, can nuvexport generate a DVD from mpeg2 recordings without any sort of transcoding ?

[21:34:32]

Juski:

s34n: onboard

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RandomDude16:

I need help now.

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s34n:

Juski: where do you buy parts?

[21:34:58]

RandomDude16:

http://24.27.200.3/mythweb/

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geemark:

is it possible to map the "TV", "guide", "vidoes", "pictures" etc. buttons on remotes / keyboards to jump directly to the corresponding parts of mythtv? I don't need to know how (yet), just don't want to buy a fancy MCE keyboard if it is useless

[21:35:26]

GreyFoxx:

geemark:short answer, "yes"

[21:35:48]

GreyFoxx:

for the TV and guide part for sure

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Zide:

what's the long answer? "maybe"? ;)

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geemark:

:)

[21:36:09]

GreyFoxx:

not 100% positive on the pictures and video

[21:36:21]

GreyFoxx:

the long answer is "but this is how to do it................................."

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Zide:

oh...

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Zide:

lots of dots

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Zide:

*tries it*

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geemark:

I am looking a bit at the Microsoft MCE Keyboard – it looks nice, but does anyone have any experience with that one with mythtv

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Juski:

s34n: mini-itx.com, linitx.com.. ebay...

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s34n:

Juski: are you in Europe?

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Juski:

s34n: UK

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s34n:

Juski: what is your preferred motherboard?

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haj:

GreyFoxx: at least i can test if the quality is okay before getting another card :)

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haj:

GreyFoxx: not that i can count on the quality to be the same

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RandomDude16:

where do I go to configure mythweb's login info?

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Juski:

RandomDude16: see google for how to secure apache :-)

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mooey:

hm. i have a problem and i'm quite unsure about how to go about fixing it

[22:04:02]

Juski:

mooey: just fire away :-)

[22:04:18]

mooey:

using mythtv-setup, myth knows about the normal channels (bbc1,2,itv,ch4 + ch5)

[22:04:27]

Juski:

aha

[22:04:39]

mooey:

the problem is, theres lots of them – carlton, itv, channel4 south, london, south east etc, no idea which to use for them

[22:04:56]

mooey:

but then i also used scan for channels, which has picked up 5 unnamed channels (one of why is my sky+ box)

[22:05:03]

mooey:

so... how do i correlate the two?

[22:05:21]

mooey:

because it dosen't match the actually bbc1 as any of the bbc1's it knows about through the xmltv thing

[22:05:21]

Juski:

you selected 'all' during the config part of the xmltv setup bit I bet

[22:05:26]

stuarta:

analogue or digital?

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mooey:

yep

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mooey:

then i went thru the xmltv file, and delete a bunch of stuff that i know i dont need

[22:05:41]

mooey:

stuarta, analog

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** stuarta goes back to the film **

[22:06:38]

Juski:

mooey: which channels to use in your xmltv setup depends on which region of the UK you live

[22:07:07]

mooey:

yup. i know where i live, but not how to work out which channel to use :/

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Juski:

do you know which ITV region you live in?

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mooey:

well, no

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mooey:

lmao

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mooey:

it *used* to be carlton

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Juski:

(when I said 'region' I meant 'TV region' ;-) )

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mooey:

but its not now

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mooey:

i have a feeling its london

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mooey:

would teletext tell me?

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Juski:

so xmltv will prolly call it carlton if you still live there

[22:08:19]

Juski:

they don't update the channel names anywhere near frequently enough, those guys IMHO

[22:08:54]

Juski:

they basically have a choice I think.. break existing users' configs & piss them off, or confuse noobs :-P

[22:09:30]

mooey:

hm

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mooey:

now i have even less idea what todo :D

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mooey:

teletext says itv south

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mooey:

but maybe its still carlton under xmltv

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Juski:

mooey: if it used to be carlton & you haven't moved... ;-)

[22:10:47]

mooey:

yea but its not a calrton area anymore

[22:10:59]

mooey:

something in the back of my mind is telling me that we live on the boundy and it was moved

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Juski:

but it used to be _called_ carlton, right?

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mooey:

yea, and we moved from calrton to london

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** stuarta checks his config... **

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mooey:

i think

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** mooey explodes **

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stuarta:

yeah it's carlton

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Juski:

mooey: I feel your pain (been there, done that etc)

[22:13:15]

Juski:

can xmltv2 have multiple ids to stop this kind of stupid confusion arising?

[22:13:39]

Juski:

bbc3 is still called choice.bbc.co.uk. choice has been off the air for more than 5 years now

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** Juski dons his flak jacket & enters #xmltv with this question **

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Juski:

lol. where's their irc channel (if they have one...)

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mooey:

i dont get why itv has regions :/

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mooey:

ch4 + 5 dont

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mooey:

http://www.itvregions.com/

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mooey:

judging by this map its got to be either meridian or london, both of which are in the xmltv list

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Juski:

mooey: for advertising purposes mainly.. and they all used to be iddy biddy franchises

[22:17:08]

mooey:

hm

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Juski:

..until the big deregulation a few years ago

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mooey:

i think this is going to be trial and error

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Juski:

there are a few ways to go about this

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mooey:

so to match the channels that i can actually tune to against the xmltv channels, should i edit the db?

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Juski:

you could compare local (or teletext) listings to the stuff in the xmltv feed for the particular xmltv id you're not sure about

[22:19:35]

Juski:

this is one of the reasons nobody is really selling ready made boxen. it's a fscking minefield when it comes to configging the tvguide

[22:20:03]

Juski:

still – once the initial legwork is done you could quite easily wizard-ise it I guess

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mooey:

i guess the problem would be finding people in each of the local areas to maintain it

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Juski:

or just rely on the freeview EPG stuff...

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mooey:

my tv adapter supports dvb

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mooey:

but the signal strengh isn't great

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Juski:

seems we've got a big area where some wikification will help a lot. I'd have said that the xmltv configging is prolly the hardest part to get right in a mythtv install (for me it was anyway)... nip this one & make it a whole lot less painful for lots of people ;-)

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** Juski stops what he's doing & starts the ball rolling **

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mooey:

heh :)

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mooey:

i think i might setup another xserver for mythtv

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mooey:

it dosen't seem to like being run as an app on a desktop with a different resolution, it dosen't change the resolution back to what it was when it exits

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Fnc:

Juski: that and lirc

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Fnc:

specifically lircrc... seems everyone has it in the wrong place.. a lot of the times when they got issues

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Juski:

ugh I hate editing wikis

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mooey:

how can i fine tune the channel frequencies?

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RandomDude16:

I still need help getting mythweb up.

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RandomDude16:

access denied to the database now....

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RandomDude16:

where do I enter the mysql info for it?

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Beirdo:

in the .htaccess file (as your error screen says)

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Juski:

mooey: tricky one. prolly the easiest way is to open the channel editor in mythweb and enter fine tuning values there IMHO

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RandomDude16:

I entered the mysql info there

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mooey:

that means i've got to install mythweb ¬_¬

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Juski:

unless the UI has a finetune thingy.. never used an analogue tuner in myth before

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mooey:

i dont think it does

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Juski:

I'd look at it this way.. it might be a bitch to do but at least you only have to do it once

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Juski:

it might be possible to open mythtv-setup in another window and go into the channel editor to wiggle the finetuning...

[23:06:58]

mooey:

i was going to install mythweb anyway so its not a problem

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Juski:

I also have a vague recollection of some kind of workaround to do this.. damned if I can remember where/what it was

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mooey:

what is a problem is my lack of sound – can myth use alsa?

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Juski:

yeh myth can use alsa

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mooey:

yep, just found as much

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RandomDude16:

http://localhost/mythweb/

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RandomDude16:

http://24.27.200.3/mythweb

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Juski:

some stuff to check: 1. that the tuner card audio cable is plugged into the correct soundcard audio input. 2. that said soundcard audio input is muted in the playback section of alsamixer. 3. that same input is selected to be recorded in alsamixer. if you still don't get audio in mythtv but you do in xawtv or tvtime, there's a command you need to use to un-mute the tuner's own audio using v4lctl

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Juski:

mooey: some v4l cards might also have a feature called 'AFC' or 'AFT'.. automatic frequency control or automatic fine tuning, just FYI.. might be accessible with the aforementioned v4lctl command

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mooey:

thanks

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mooey:

next LRL, the drinks are on me :)

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Juski:

heh. I got drunk enough, but I'll still take you up on the offer all the same ;-)

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mooey:

:)

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Juski:

next LRL I wanna have a nice big <<wide>> monitor there

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Juski:

and an air-conditioned lounge (ha!)

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mooey:

lol yep

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mooey:

it was really hot

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RandomDude16:

Juski

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RandomDude16:

mythweb is working now

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RandomDude16:

http://24.27.200.3/mythweb

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Juski:

RandomDude16: as I said ealier, you really want to secure that ASAP

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RandomDude16:

im not gonna leave the ports open

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RandomDude16:

I Just opened it to show you and a few other friends.

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RandomDude16:

im gonna close it soon

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Juski:

ah goodo

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Juski:

oo I'm gonna have a chance to play with mythgame tomorrow

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Juski:

(at last)

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Juski:

seems I already had xmame installed

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sphery:

Juski: What do you mean by, "a move

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sphery:

away from mysql has been mooted"

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sphery:

(BTW, I liked your write-up on the list about LugRadioLive)

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Juski:

sphery: somewhere in 'future plans for mythtv'

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sphery:

specifically, what do you mean by "mooted"

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sphery:

talked about, but not decided?

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Juski:

as far as I could tell, yeah

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sphery:

OK.

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sphery:

I wasn't sure of the "translation" (you're from the UK, right?)

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Juski:

aye

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sphery:

Yeah. I only speak "American" ;)

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Beirdo:

dictionaries are still useful :)

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Juski:

I thought 'mooted' was an American friendly word anyway

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kormoc:

so you built a moot around the issue?

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sphery:

Figured that's what you meant, but to me "moot" means "made obsolete"

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sphery:

Oh. I just found out there are other forms...

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Juski:

covered my ass, specifically

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sphery:

As a verb it does mean, "to bring up for discussion"

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sphery:

Wow. Learn something new every day.

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Juski:

heh. on saturday I learned that you could press R in the programme guide to schedule a recording. ffs! all this time & I'd been doing it the long way round. god I was embarrassed

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Juski:

nobody told me btw. I just tried it out of curiosity when someone asked

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sphery:

cool.

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sphery:

Funny how much you learn when teaching others...

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sphery:

In my case, I learn when I ask someone what he meant by something that's a perfectly valid usage of the language (just one I had never heard).

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