Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, July 22nd, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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SKreme:

What's dmesg?

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SKreme:

Thanks... As for the first question. How long does it usually take to learn linux and am I better off starting with knoppmyth and starting over with ubuntu later? Or is that gonna be a royal pita?

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laga:

depends on you, your willingness to read and learn, your intelligence and so on. for starters, knoppmyth might be OK.

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laga:

dunno if it'll support your capture card.

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Kelerion:

ubuntu is based on debian... as is knoppmyth (I think)... and debian is notoriously hard to learn relatively... but ubuntu is far far far nicer and makes the whole process a lot easier

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Kelerion:

IMHO

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Kelerion:

and I was a RH fan for years...even a MDK user for a while too

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maqe:

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maqe:

i get this error

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maqe:

>>../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to

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maqe:

>>`XvMCSurfaceTypes::

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maqe:

anybody got a clue?

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SKreme:

So ubuntu would be better for this than mandriva?

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GreyFoxx:

Are you familiar with any distro at all ?

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GreyFoxx:

Normally we just recommend using whatever distro you are most familiar with

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SKreme:

no... i just went on distrowatch.com and read about them and mandriva and ubuntu seemed to be the best

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SKreme:

for me...

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SKreme:

being somewhat beginner

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GreyFoxx:

But if you aren't familiar with any..... then I couldn't say :)

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SKreme:

but not dumbing down the process totally

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Kelerion:

GreyFoxx is right (smart-ass he is!) .. if you are familiar with any distro... myth will usually work with it so your better trying what you know :)

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GreyFoxx:

me a smart ass? Never~!

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** Kelerion laughs **

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Kelerion:

ok GreyFoxx... here's one... if your a newcomer to linux.. which distro would you recommend? presuming you didn't ahve a sysadmin etc.. jsut a normal homeuser

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GreyFoxx:

Honestly, I'm not qualified to answer that

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't been a linux newcomer in over adecade

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GreyFoxx:

Hehe I've had my 78yr old Grandmother running Slackware on her desktop since '99-'00

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Kelerion:

well thats good enough... but do you provide tech support? am presuming you do

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GreyFoxx:

certainly

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GreyFoxx:

though it's pretty rare it'sneeded

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Kelerion:

have 6 years I'd hope so... but even so thats good... and they say learning ability decreases with age

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laga:

Kelerion: well, use slackware and have GreyFoxx tech-support you

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Kelerion:

after...even

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Kelerion:

I'm not a newbie! lol

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laga:

Kelerion: right, but free tech support gives you that warm, snugly feeling

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Kelerion:

I installed ubuntu on my wifes laptop.. and she is a newbie.. both linux and windows... but she can find her way around it

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Kelerion:

but I supposed it's mainly same-same nowadays... gnome is gnome irrelevant of distro.. and the same with kde

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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Kelerion:

personally, I think thats a good thing... you can find your way around any linux based pc you sit at... *has* to be good for the community

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GreyFoxx:

as long as I have grep and vi I can make my way through anydistro :)

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Kelerion:

nano/pico for me... and I know thats new... and I *did* grow up on slackware... but i have to admit I prefer nano to vi :)

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GreyFoxx:

vi/vim is my editor of choice. I use to use pico and jove way back

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GreyFoxx:

and having it available on any unixmachineI sit at is handy :)

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Kelerion:

it's good to know you way around... and yeah vi is handy when nothing else is available... (I remember being overjoyed it was on a sparc box I had to work on once)

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** tjcarter suffers from the condition known as anteggipation. **

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tjcarter:

The anticipation of a box arriving from newegg.

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tjcarter:

w/ PVR-500 and a Snapstream RF/USB remote that apparently works with lirc's atiusb driver =)

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: KnoppMyth must suck for you =)

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GreyFoxx:

I've never seen it :)

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Sedorox:

I use pico.. because all I really do is edit files.. change one line here or there.. and it fits that purpose :p

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Sedorox:

I'm not a programmer, hehe

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jk1joel:

are there any ex-tivo mythtv users on here?

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jk1joel:

just wondering if you can recommend a remote that's as good as the tivo one for use with mythtv

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tjcarter:

yo

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tjcarter:

You prefer peanut or sony?

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jk1joel:

peanut

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tjcarter:

I'm sorry =)

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jk1joel:

I'm not familiar with the sony one

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tjcarter:

actually the Microsoft remote isn't bad

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jk1joel:

I really like the feel and layout of the peanut one, and my whole family is used to it

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jk1joel:

so we'd like something as close as possible to the tivo remote

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** GreyFoxx has to go looking for a new remote one of these days **

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SKreme:

what's pico/nano and vi grep?

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tjcarter:

http://i17.ebayimg.com/01/i/02/9f/46/47_1.JPG

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GreyFoxx:

SKreme: pico/nano/vi are file editors, grep is a "Search" command to search for strings within a file

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jk1joel:

pico and nano are editors that are pretty easy to use. vi is a powerful (by many standards) editor standard on pretty much every unix

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Sedorox:

or standard input

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tjcarter:

emacs is an operating system that is missing a decent editor ;)

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jk1joel:

:)

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** Kelerion chuckles at tjcarter **

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Sedorox:

pico is actually the mail composer for pine, iirc, and nano is the editor version of that (newer), so nano/pico are bascially the same thing

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tjcarter:

not quite

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LLyric:

I like "joe" editor

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tjcarter:

pico is the editor component of pine as a standalone

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Sedorox:

ah

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LLyric:

Console editor, uses wordstar-style commands, like old BBSs. ^KB ^KK ^KC etc

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tjcarter:

nano is a free-as-in-Richard-Stallman recreation of pico

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Sedorox:

lol

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** GreyFoxx wonders what the Harmony remotes are like. **

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LLyric:

Anyone got dvico dual-dvbt working 100%?

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tjcarter:

Eric Raymond: I want to live in a world where software doesn't suck! Richard Stallman: All software that isn't free sucks! Linus Torvalds: I'm interested in free beer.

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tjcarter:

oh yes, the TOPICAL discussion was remotes.

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tjcarter:

I just bought a Snapstream thingy

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tjcarter:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16880100551

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GreyFoxx:

My old remote in the media room is dying a koolaid and milk spilled death

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GreyFoxx:

so I'm on the hunt for a new one heh

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** Sedorox suspects kids involved **

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GreyFoxx:

You are correct :)

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** tjcarter WANTED an old PVR-250 remote **

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Sedorox:

:p

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GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: Hehe I have 3 of those, plus and identicalone that came with my mediamvp

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tjcarter:

it's just so much like the Sony TiVo remote...

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laga:

tjcarter: these aren't actual quotes, right?

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tjcarter:

laga: Yes they are

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tjcarter:

or they're as close to my memory as possible

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laga:

ohy

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GreyFoxx:

Hrm,those pronto touch screen remotes look nifty

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laga:

well, i kinda like torvalds' attitude

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tjcarter:

you'd have to go read the knghtbrd sigfile for exact

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: I'd ask you if you would be willing to part with one if I had an IR receiver I knew worked

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CyberKnet:

woohooo

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CyberKnet:

my yeasties are doing well

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tjcarter:

I need to try and get Dagmar to help me set up this Sabrent's IR thingy. Shouldn't be too hard since it almost certainly just twiddles a GPIO pin on the '878

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tjcarter:

Dagmar or anyone else willing to help me do it--I'll post instructions and configs and stuff when done I promise!

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tjcarter:

For the $25 framegrabber Newegg sells =)

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** tjcarter intends the card eventually just to provide a way to get his PS2 connected to his monitor without having to mess with switches and whatnot **

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Dagmar:

No way am I getting involved in trying to use screwball hardware that I don't personally have available locally.

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Dagmar:

No way no how.

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jacob:

anybody know why i can receive VHF signals but no UHF? i have pvr-350

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Dagmar:

It doesn't do UHF.

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: I have a patch for http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2035

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Dagmar:

Look at the specifications for it.

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Dagmar:

It doesn't do shortwave or world-band or AM radio, either.

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jacob:

reeeally

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jacob:

ok thanks

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: Sure you meant that for me ?

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janneg:

no, I meant captain_murdoch, sorry

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Captain_Murdoch:

janneg: thanks.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I'll get it in over the weekend sometime.

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janneg:

np. I'm atm in bug killing spree mode

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Captain_Murdoch:

I would still like to find out why mythtranscode is dying in that unknown state, but the patch is good as well. :) be nice if mythtranscode would update the jobqueue comment saying why it died.

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SKreme:

Thanks for the help guys

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janneg:

it can't if it is segfaulting

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SKreme:

have a great weekend...

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SKreme:

bye

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Captain_Murdoch:

so it is segfaulting or just exitting without updating the status?

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Captain_Murdoch:

wasn't sure if there were any unhandled exits in the new code, but it looks like it only exits from main.cpp. that's why I was asking for the logs to see why it died. anyway, off to watch a movie... may bbl.

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janneg:

both

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janneg:

bye

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LLyric:

Nobody here has DViCO Dual HD tuner?

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xris:

stupid new long commute

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Sakunix:

greatingts all

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Sakunix:

Probably a fairly novice and repeatadly asked quesiton but what is the best way of getting video input to an xbox console?

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GreyFoxx:

To an xbox ?

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GreyFoxx:

As in xbmc ?

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Sakunix:

as in Xebian/XBMC

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Sakunix:

an xbox console

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Sakunix:

need to get the hardware first yer

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GreyFoxx:

Well, xbmc has some python scripts for accessing myth but I have no idea who well they work or how up to date

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Sakunix:

yes not bothered with xbmx

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GreyFoxx:

If you run linux on it, then you can just run mythtv itself

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Sakunix:

yes that what I will more than likely do

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Sakunix:

is there a generic driver for all the USB TV in boxs?

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GreyFoxx:

I doubt it

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GreyFoxx:

but since I don't have one I could be wrong :)

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Sakunix:

I need to buy a USB TV tuner yer I want to be certian it will run nicely with linux

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Sakunix:

think of my xbox as a pc

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Sakunix:

I mean an xbox is a pc anyway

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Sakunix:

but that another story

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Sakunix:

You have a tv tuner card yes? GreyFoxx ?

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GreyFoxx:

Several

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Sakunix:

ok awesome

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GreyFoxx:

Myth is imho a waste without one :)

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Sakunix:

problem one with xbox -> no pci so its got to be usb

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Sakunix:

problem two will this $170 piece of uber hardware work with linux?

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GreyFoxx:

You could always install mythbackend on another PC and stream it over the network to the xbox :)

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** Sakunix slaps himself on the forehead... **

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GreyFoxx:

*shrug* lots of people use xbox's for myth frontends, though most do the recording on another PC and stream it to the Xbox.

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** Sakunix huggs GreyFoxx **

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Sakunix:

Ideas man you are

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Sakunix:

still doesnt solve problem two

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Sakunix:

What checks can I amke at the store to see whether the card will work in my pc

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GreyFoxx:

google ? :)

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Sakunix:

Is there a driver name I can give them?

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GreyFoxx:

DEpends, what kind of card are you considering?

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GreyFoxx:

If it's USB, I can't comment

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Sakunix:

It will not be usb now

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GreyFoxx:

If it's analog cable go for a PVR150

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Sakunix:

because as you pointed out I can record on my webserver

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Sakunix:

and stream it out to the xbox

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Sakunix:

ok PVR150 is a Pinnicle card?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

Hauppage

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Sakunix:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

has onboard hardware compression

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Sakunix:

thats what I am talking about

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GreyFoxx:

so it takes 0% CPU to record a compressed stream

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Sakunix:

is it decent compression?

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GreyFoxx:

Decent enough. Really depends on how clean your signal is and what bitrate you choose

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GreyFoxx:

I get around 2.2Gigs per hour

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Dagmar:

That's pretty much the norm

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GreyFoxx:

2G seems to be about average

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GreyFoxx:

IF you want smaller you can transcode it later

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Sakunix:

for sure

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** GreyFoxx "schedules" a myth maintainance window for tonight heh **

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Sakunix:

that PVR-150 whats that put you out of pocket?

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GreyFoxx:

$60USD-$100USD depending on where you buy

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GreyFoxx:

some said newegg had them for like $54 the other day

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GreyFoxx:

heh other than when I moved into this house tonight will be the longest my main mythbackend has been offline in 3 years :)

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Sakunix:

All good they say about $180AUD which is about right

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Sakunix:

so you say the PVR-150 is the way to go?

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GreyFoxx:

the PVR150/250/500 are good cards. Pretty well supported, and low CPU requirements.

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GreyFoxx:

For analog cable I wouldn't consider anything else

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Sakunix:

its going into a 2.2Ghz machine

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Sakunix:

so processing power aint a problem

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Sakunix:

how is it on network?

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Sakunix:

what kinda xfer rates you need?

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GreyFoxx:

one of the guys here has 3 pvr250 clones(called M179) in a CEleron 333 for a backend heh

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GreyFoxx:

depends on what bitrate you record at

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GreyFoxx:

10/100MEg wired ethernet is fine,and if you have good signal wirelessG should be ok

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Sakunix:

What will give a DVD quality recording on a analog tv set

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GreyFoxx:

wireless B while possible could easily be choppy

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GreyFoxx:

You wont be getting DVD quality off your cable :)

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GreyFoxx:

but as long as you can do 2–4Mbit it should be ok I think

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Sakunix:

awersome

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GreyFoxx:

if it's a wired connection, don't worry about it really

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Sakunix:

sounds great

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Sakunix:

streaming to multiple sources?

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Sakunix:

how does the backend handle that?

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GreyFoxx:

it can

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GreyFoxx:

It's just another connection. IF you have the bandwidth you are fine

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Sakunix:

HDD if these files are coming off the one HDD does it become problematic

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GreyFoxx:

as long as you have DMA enabled to the drive it should be ok. Depending on how busy the drive is for your other non myth stuff

[02:05:55]

Sakunix:

fair enough

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Sakunix:

its for the most part serving web pages to my local network

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Sakunix:

but nothing super

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GreyFoxx:

I beat the hell out of my mythbackend and it keeps chugging, so as long as DMA is enabled you should be fine

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Sakunix:

awesome

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Sakunix:

the backend is programablee from the frontend?

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GreyFoxx:

for scheduling and such yes

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GreyFoxx:

plus you can install mythweb

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Sakunix:

thats awesome

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GreyFoxx:

to have a webinterface to manage recordings/schedule stuff

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Sakunix:

that is amazing

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GreyFoxx:

I do 99% of my scheduling via mythweb

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Sakunix:

you on the development team?

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GreyFoxx:

I do most of that from work heh

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GreyFoxx:

when I'm not feeling too lazy ;)

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Sakunix:

beautiful package this

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Sakunix:

absolutly slick stuff

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** GreyFoxx wonders if I chutt would mind if I added Gray-OSD to the myththemes package **

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Sakunix:

how many inputs does the PVR-150 handle?

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GreyFoxx:

hrm.... Coax,composite and svideo I think

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Sakunix:

can record simultaniously from each?

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Sakunix:

or only the one input at a time?

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GreyFoxx:

Nope, only 1 at a time

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Sakunix:

fair enough

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GreyFoxx:

if you have A PVR500 you can do 2

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GreyFoxx:

the PVR500 is 2 150's on the same board

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Sakunix:

I just want to be able to tape the sport when I am working hehe dont really need 2 inputs

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mchou:

need to find a place which has good cold sesame noodles

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mchou:

too frigging hot to eat anything else

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Sakunix:

is there a windows client on the horizon?

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mchou:

Sakunix: lol, there was :)

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GreyFoxx:

Sakunix: Someone is working on a port, but I don't know how far off it is

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Sakunix:

Not that it matteres but..

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mchou:

Sakunix: I wouldnt count on it anytime soon

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Sakunix:

Only have one windows machine left on my desk

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Sakunix:

of the 4 that were originally all windows

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mchou:

Sakunix: dont be a pussy, make the full switch

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Sakunix:

mchou: WoW has kept me from converting all

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mchou:

I only use windows for OCR for the few times I need that

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Sakunix:

quit the crack now so it might be soon

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Sakunix:

what port does mythweb run on?

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Sakunix:

or is it a php script you throw in your www directory?

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GreyFoxx:

Whatever port your webserver runs on it ?:)

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GreyFoxx:

php

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Sakunix:

thats tops

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Sakunix:

So the Hapuage cards are fully linux compatible you say?

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scales:

hello all, anyone update xine and having audio/video sync problems

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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scales:

agree

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Sakunix:

The drivers are an open source development?

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Sakunix:

or not?

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GreyFoxx:

YEs, IVTV is the drivername, and in the next coupleversions will be included in the main kernel

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GreyFoxx:

Cool. Not only did I crash myth, I got it to take down X :)

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Sakunix:

nice

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Sakunix:

thats always fun

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scales:

so no one update xine and having audio sync problems?

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scales:

anyone know how i can fix it?

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GreyFoxx:

scales: I don't use xine

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scales:

booo

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scales:

alright, i will try back later

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mchou:

damn, first weekend for "Spare the air" here

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scales:

hello all, anyone update xine and having audio/video sync problems

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Sedorox:

anyone happen to be using a decoder with a sa7114h decoder?

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Whyvas:

whooo

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Whyvas:

that was some great sex

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Sedorox:

...

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Whyvas:

anyone have old hd's with bad sectors for me?

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trevor:

has anyone here installed MythTV using XAMPP for the mysql database?

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** tjcarter is at the point he can install Myth with MySQL and get something that works =) **

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** d3ity hates his mysql database **

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scales:

hello all, anyone update xine and having audio/video sync problems

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infringer:

need a little help please with IR and pvr-150 if possible

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infringer:

http://pastebin.ca/95570

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d3ity:

Table './mythconverg/recordedmarkup' is marked as crashed and should be repaired <-- Help?

[03:56:15]

d3ity:

how do I repair a table in mysql?

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alsoconfused:

d3ity: myisamchk

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d3ity:

alsoconfused, at the mysql prompt or in bash?

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alsoconfused:

bash

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alsoconfused:

there may also be a "repair table" command to use from mysql, not sure

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d3ity:

this has alot of options

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scales:

hello all, anyone update xine and having audio/video sync problems

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alsoconfused:

d3ity: just make a backup copy of the whole directory then use the example in the manpage

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d3ity:

wow, mysqlcheck -r works too :)

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alsoconfused:

d3ity: did you figure out the ir receiver?

[04:02:43]

d3ity:

alsoconfused, I've just about given up

[04:02:53]

d3ity:

alsoconfused, I've got everything...well...everything seems right

[04:03:14]

d3ity:

I just can't afford to sink any more money into this project without seeing any results

[04:03:27]

alsoconfused:

can you read anything from it?

[04:03:48]

d3ity:

no, the multimeter shows a voltage drop when the remote is waved at it, but it's almost too small to notice

[04:04:00]

d3ity:

and it's not just the data channel that drops, its the power as well

[04:04:01]

d3ity:

so, I don

[04:04:05]

d3ity:

't even know where to begin

[04:04:28]

d3ity:

so, I've pretty much given up

[04:04:38]

d3ity:

with working two jobs, i don't have the time

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alsoconfused:

some day...

[04:05:33]

alsoconfused:

you said you're working for rat shack?

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d3ity:

yeah, I work at radioshack and at a local golf course

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alsoconfused:

i worked for radioshack way back when... in the days of battery cards and handwritten receipts

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d3ity:

alsoconfused, ah. yeah, I now pimp cell phones and service plans

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LoneShadow:

do I need to run mythfilldatabase as a cron job ?

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d3ity:

it's almost degrading

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alsoconfused:

LoneShadow: the backend can run it daily for you

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d3ity:

so now, I sell phones to people I am 90% sure will never pay thier bill, and get grandma to buy a service plan on her new cordless telephone that she'll never use.

[04:08:37]

LoneShadow:

hmm

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alsoconfused:

d3ity: we were doing cell phones in the late 80's 3 pound portables and such

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d3ity:

and now, those people who used to make radioshack about cool electronics and basically a repository for backyard engineers and electrical masterminds, the service basically sucks

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alsoconfused:

i couldn't believe how sparse the selection of components was last time i went in. otoh, their web operation is pretty decent

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d3ity:

everyone else that works there has basically never even seen a ham radio, or knows half a damn about electronics. Got a question about hooking up some speakers to your TV? well we can sell you an RF modulator that won't fix your problem, and then sell you a service plan on that so we can make a dime

[04:11:52]

d3ity:

alsoconfused, the parts drawers are depressing

[04:12:21]

d3ity:

alsoconfused, every time I went and dug for some part for god knows what, I usually found the last one, only to find out later that if I need another one, the store won't stock it anymore

[04:12:53]

alsoconfused:

sad

[04:14:03]

alsoconfused:

i came across an old (early seventies maybe) catalog recently. pretty funny stuff

[04:14:35]

d3ity:

now, if I could only get gnucash working

[04:14:39]

d3ity:

something would go right tonight

[04:14:42]

d3ity:

and I could get some sleep

[04:15:32]

d3ity:

but yeah, radioshack is somewhat depressing

[04:15:48]

d3ity:

although I can still spend some money there on various electronics, such as police scanners and CB radios

[04:16:12]

d3ity:

but that's just gonna feed my need to drive unnessicarily fast and give me a false sense of security

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alsoconfused:

d3ity: anything happening on cb these days?

[04:17:29]

d3ity:

won't know until I can afford one

[04:17:38]

d3ity:

lets just say my cell phone pimping doesn't pay the bills

[04:17:59]

d3ity:

specifically the $6000 I need to come up with to pay penn state in about 30 days

[04:18:10]

alsoconfused:

d3ity: i used to have a ssb radio with extra channels and a beam antenna

[04:18:25]

alsoconfused:

d3ity: ouch on tuition

[04:18:44]

d3ity:

alsoconfused, makes my electronics/computing hobby kind of hard to maintain

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alsoconfused:

plenty of cheap stuff to be had on ebay

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d3ity:

alsoconfused, if it wasn't for penn state, I wouldn't be getting up at 4:30 AM to go to work at a golf course, then, at noon, driving to radioshack and working till 9 PM

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d3ity:

alsoconfused, yeah, thats where I got my scanner

[04:19:33]

d3ity:

alsoconfused, even with the employee discount, i still couldn't afford one

[04:19:50]

d3ity:

a useful scanner is at least 150 nowadays

[04:20:18]

alsoconfused:

i think that's about what i paid for the one i got on sale about 5 years ago.

[04:20:27]

alsoconfused:

decent radio, but it needs a new batt pack

[04:21:04]

alsoconfused:

i only use it at the races

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d3ity:

aye.

[04:23:09]

d3ity:

I use mine basically so I can speed.

[04:23:17]

d3ity:

it's nice to know where the cops are.

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scales:

hello all, anyone update xine and having audio/video sync problems

[04:23:51]

d3ity:

especially when you woke up at 5 AM and you've got 15 minutes to make a half hour drive

[04:24:19]

d3ity:

I'd love to learn more about radio, and wifi, and circut design/microcontrollers

[04:24:36]

d3ity:

but I suppose you have to have money to learn something

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d3ity:

unlike it is with linux for the most part

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scales:

anyone use fedora

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alsoconfused:

scales: fc4

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alsoconfused:

d3ity: software radio looks very interesting

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d3ity:

alsoconfused, you know, i've always wondered if it would be possible to interface a scanner to a PC and use a GPS to locate the origins of the signals

[04:26:46]

d3ity:

kinda like kismet for cops

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scales:

ok well

[04:26:59]

scales:

how do you install an rpm?

[04:27:05]

scales:

run boadjfourhgo.rpm?

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scales:

right

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scales:

?

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alsoconfused:

rpm -Uvh blah.rpm

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d3ity:

then, you'd have a practical map of where everything transmitting a radio signal is...

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alsoconfused:

d3ity: there are pc controlled scanners out there

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d3ity:

I'd really like to see that done someday, but i'm unsure of how practical it would be... I don't even understand how kismet can do it without having multiple points to track it from and triangulating

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d3ity:

alsoconfused, those are also expensive. I'd love to write that code.

[04:29:05]

d3ity:

for say, one of the radioshack scanenrs

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d3ity:

*scanners

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d3ity:

but how would you get position based on what a scanner (single) picks up? How does kismet doi t for wifi? you just kinda attach a GPS to a serial port and it tells you exactly where the signal is coming from

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alsoconfused:

bearcat used to have one that was pretty barebones and under $200 IIRC

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d3ity:

but logic to me says that you'd need at least three diffrent antennas in diffrent positions to figure out the location of the radio signal correct?

[04:30:46]

d3ity:

I suppose I'd have to learn alot more about radio signals before I'd be able to look into that

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alsoconfused:

d3ity: 2 is enough

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scales:

alsoconfused: what player are you using for your dvds?

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alsoconfused:

directional antennas

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alsoconfused:

mplayer usually

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d3ity:

alsoconfused, but how does kismet do it with just a single wifi card?

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unstable:

Does anyone know any companies that sell premade mythtv boxes?

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alsoconfused:

d3ity: not sure. if you scan a diretional antenna you can find the direction and make a decent guess of distance based on signal strength

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d3ity:

unstable, if you give me money, I do.

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unstable:

d3ity: How much?

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d3ity:

unstable, depends what you want.

[04:33:38]

d3ity:

what tuner card, how many...etc

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unstable:

d3ity: To record two shows at a time; 400 gig hdd; And I want every last bit to be free software.

[04:33:55]

d3ity:

it's not hard if you know how to build a pc

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unstable:

I know how to build a pc.

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unstable:

It's just easier buying something premade;

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d3ity:

unstable, then buy a pair of hauppage cards. an htpc case, perhaps an lirc reciever to place into the case so you have a remote...install your favorite flavor of linux, and there you go

[04:35:24]

d3ity:

it'll take you maybe an hour or two once you assemble all your parts

[04:35:51]

d3ity:

or you could step up and go with the PVR-500 with the built in remote

[04:36:18]

d3ity:

honestly, I'd be all for building you one and taking your money, but i honestly have absolutley no time in the day

[04:36:32]

d3ity:

there are companies out there that make them, check ebay, that could be a good source

[04:38:12]

d3ity:

unstable, if you really really want one, depending on what you want, I may be able to build you one, if you like, I'll PM you my email address

[04:38:41]

d3ity:

however its mostly based on how much time I have. and of course (as with everything), whats in it for me.

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unstable:

d3ity: How much would a box like that be if I built it myself?

[04:39:49]

d3ity:

probably about 150–200 cheaper than if I built it for you.

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unstable:

d3ity: Could I get a $200 dollar emachine; with 2.8 celeron processor; 256 megs of ram; 80 gigs of hdd?

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unstable:

Would that be a decent box?

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d3ity:

unstable, toss it in a small htpc case (if you want it to look nice on a shelf), add two hauppage cards, say, a pvr150 and a pvr500 for the TV-out/remote control... and you'd basically have a mythtv box

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unstable:

Just throw in a tv-tuner card; and maybe a bigger hdd

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unstable:

What is a "hauppage card"?

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d3ity:

unstable, if you want to be able to record on a channel while you watch live TV on another, you need two tuner cards

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alsoconfused:

one pvr-500

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d3ity:

unstable, hauppage is a manufacturer of high quality very very shiny and very linux friendly TV tuners

[04:41:32]

d3ity:

alsoconfused, does the PVR500 have two tuners?

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alsoconfused:

yes

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d3ity:

alsoconfused, then I stand corrected. get one PVR-500

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d3ity:

alsoconfused, i've just got my little 150

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alsoconfused:

d3ity: i have a 250 but not sure if there's any advantage over the 150.

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alsoconfused:

i don't think the 150 was out when i got mine

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unstable:

d3ity: ahh cool; These Hauppauge company lives 10 minutes from me.

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d3ity:

alsoconfused, the 150 doesnt get a remote... idk

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unstable:

s/These/This

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d3ity:

unstable, really?

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unstable:

yea

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alsoconfused:

i made sure to get one with the remote though :)

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d3ity:

alsoconfused, yeah, that was a mistake on my part

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alsoconfused:

i thought some 150s do have a remote

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d3ity:

maybe a certain model does

[04:44:20]

d3ity:

but I just went with the absolute cheapest one I could find

[04:44:24]

d3ity:

anyway

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unstable:

d3ity: Does the card really matter..which one etc?

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alsoconfused:

unstable: absolutely

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d3ity:

unstable, well, the PVR500 has two tuners in it, meaning you can record on one channel and watch another at the same time

[04:44:54]

d3ity:

it's also probably much smoother as far as video quality

[04:45:10]

d3ity:

but... my 150 works for me... I'm on a budget.

[04:45:17]

d3ity:

alright

[04:45:20]

d3ity:

time for d3ity to sleep

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d3ity:

these 11 hour workdays need to go

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alsoconfused:

good chatting with you

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d3ity:

yeah, someday I'll go out and buy a lirc reciever

[04:45:58]

d3ity:

and it will work

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d3ity:

but I should be back tomorrow, trying to break something else

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unstable:

If I have your regular cable company(digital cable); The company name is "Cablevision"; I don't have hd channels or anything like that. What type of card is good for something like me?(I'm on a budget too)

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unstable:

The 150?

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trevor:

has anyone installed MythTV using xampp as the mysql database?

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alsoconfused:

unstable: the 150/250/500 are only good for analog.

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unstable:

alsoconfused: damn; thanks for the information.

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unstable:

alsoconfused: Well the American government(*cough* George W Bush *cough*) is forcing all the telcos to switch to digital by what.. 2009 iirc.

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unstable:

So analog will be gone soon no?

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unstable:

Then the American government is going to auction off those frequencies to the highest bidder. Probably google or some other rich company.

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unstable:

alsoconfused: So the 350 and the USB2 are my only choices?

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unstable:

alsoconfused: damn; thanks for the information. alsoconfused: Well the American government(*cough* George W Bush *cough*) is forcing all the telcos to switch to digital by what.. 2009 iirc. So analog will be gone soon no? Then the American government is going to auction off those frequencies to the highest bidder. Probably google or some other rich company.

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unstable:

alsoconfused: So the 350 and the USB2 are my only choices?(I have digital cable); and the 150/250/500 are for analog cable?

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GreyFoxx:

The pvr350 is also for analog cable

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unstable:

GreyFoxx: So what are my choices?

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GreyFoxx:

the 350 is a pvr250 with a decoder+tvout

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unstable:

GreyFoxx: Even though I have "IO Digital Cable"; can I still record with an analog tuner card(ie 150)

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GreyFoxx:

You can. Some channels are likely still coming in as analog, and you can always plug a digital box into the 150 and record it

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unstable:

<alsoconfused> unstable: the 150/250/500 are only good for analog.

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GreyFoxx:

Well it is analog

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GreyFoxx:

your digital cable box outputs analog over composite/svideo/coax to your tv

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GreyFoxx:

And you can record it with a 150

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GreyFoxx:

Otherwise you can get a DVB-T card and see if the digital cable is transmitted in the clear, but it's not very likely

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unstable:

GreyFoxx: So it doesn't matter that I have digital cable compared to someone with analog cable right?

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GreyFoxx:

Well,it matters in that with analog the card can tune to the channel and record, but with digital you have to setup something to change the channel on the settop box for you

[05:31:36]

GreyFoxx:

and that settop is essentially "busy" why recording. If you manually change it's channel your recording might not be what you expect :)

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unstable:

GreyFoxx: So with digital cable box; If I'm recording something; I can not change the channel?

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GreyFoxx:

That would be correct

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GreyFoxx:

IF you are recording something that is coming in (and out) the digital box you wont want to change it's channel during a recording :)

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unstable:

GreyFoxx: But my parents have digital cable(same as me); and they have TiVO; And I'm not sure...but I think they change the channel while TiVO records..

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unstable:

Or am I wrong?

[05:33:36]

unstable:

They tell TiVO to record something; and they watch something else.

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unstable:

Or is that not possible?

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GreyFoxx:

then the box has tivo built in and is tuning multiple channels

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unstable:

So TiVo pays the cable company...to have support for tuning multiple channels?

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GreyFoxx:

no, the hardware just supports it

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GreyFoxx:

Think of it like a splitter built into the digital box

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GreyFoxx:

1 part goes to the internal tivo

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GreyFoxx:

the other to the "other" half that you want

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unstable:

So if the settop box hardware supports it(which I think it does); can mythtv/hauppauge 150 record a show; and I can change the channel while not messing up the recording?

[05:36:25]

GreyFoxx:

No

[05:36:35]

GreyFoxx:

thetivo is built into the settop box

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GreyFoxx:

There are many digital cable boxes that come with dvr software of some sort built in

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GreyFoxx:

some have Tivo on them,some use other software

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unstable:

GreyFoxx: They have a 300 dollar tv from best buy(Your run of the mill tv); plus they have the settop box( http://www.cablevision.com/index.jhtml?pageType=io_product ); and the tivo box.

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unstable:

GreyFoxx: Is it possible to format the settop box; and put GNU + Linux / mythtv on it?

[05:40:25]

GreyFoxx:

Not likely

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GreyFoxx:

but you are welcome to try :)

[05:41:31]

GreyFoxx:

If the Tivo is not built directly into the settop either the settop has some sort of digital passthrough, or morelikely they are just recording analog TV on the Tivo

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Dagmar:

So who else believes that the people who write ffmpeg and transcode live in some alternate universe with an entirely different version of Linux in it?

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NightMonkey:

Hmm... check #ffmpeg, see if anyone is connected via irc.mars.freenode.net. :)

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Dagmar:

Freenode reaches into alternate reality matrixes?

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Dagmar:

That's impressive

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Dagmar:

I'm on like, patch #9 trying to get these damn things playing with each other

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unstable:

If I buy a $150 emachine; with a 2.8 celeron; and 256 megs of RAM; with a 40 gig hdd; and I get this tuner card --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116620 ; Will my PVR run like shit and look like shit?

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unstable:

or will it look decent?

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Dagmar:

The one I'm trying to beat out of transcode right now is that it's configure script looks for liblzo, which it won't compile against, when it *should* be looking for liblzo2

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Dagmar:

Why not the 274 model?

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unstable:

Is there a benchmark page on mythtv's website. Like processor/ram/tuner card specs; then shows the mythtv configuration file. And a 3 meg video sample.

[05:55:34]

Dagmar:

unstable: nope. Such a thing would be "problematic" to construct at all.

[05:55:47]

Dagmar:

What's documented in the wiki is as good as it gets.

[05:56:21]

Dagmar:

Unless you intend to listen to the radio with it, you should get the 274 model, not the 1042 model.

[05:56:25]

Dagmar:

It'll save you $5.

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Dagmar:

The FM tuner blocks use of the encoder, so you can't exactly put it to useful work with Myth

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: you've been drafted. =)

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: For what?

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unstable:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . &Ntk=all

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unstable:

I don't see the "274"

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Dagmar:

unstable: Type "PVR-150" in the search box. Then sort by price.

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unstable:

nice

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: helping me figure out how to get an '878's remote receiver operable (I'll figure out how to set up the remote config later, but I don't have a clue about the driver setup..)

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** tjcarter will document results for KnoppMyth, promise =D **

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Dagmar:

Dude, I've not a clue about that. If I were you I'd cross my fingers and run lirc's setup.sh and see if it's got a menu option for that to get some hints

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unstable:

Dagmar: If I get the 274; How do I watch the video I record on my television?

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unstable:

I was going to buy a headless $150 emachine.

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tjcarter:

it doesn't.

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Dagmar:

You pretty much have to trailblaze every time with lirc, which is one of the things I don't like about it

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Dagmar:

unstable: The same way you would with the other one you were looking at

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GreyFoxx:

unstable: Obviously you will need a video card with TV out

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unstable:

So I need this tuner card + a video card with TV out?

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GreyFoxx:

You should look at an nvidia card. They are generally well supported

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Dagmar:

unstable: The *entire* difference between those two cards is that one of them has an FM tuner and the other one doesn't.

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GreyFoxx:

unstable: yes

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Dagmar:

unstable: Neither of those cards has anything like an output on them.

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Dagmar:

Get an nVidia card, preferably something low-endish but NOT a "generic" brand

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unstable:

So I can record a television show with the 274; then watch a previously recorded show(on the hdd) with mplayer?

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Dagmar:

There's a lot of variance in quality of the TV output through the s-video ports, and basically, cheap-ass cards will have cheap-ass components.

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GreyFoxx:

Uhhhh, this is the mythtv channel, so I would assume you would want to use mythtv to playback the recordings :)

[06:01:50]

Dagmar:

Aim for a "big name" 5200 or something like that. You won't need much of a video card, just a quality one with an s-video out

[06:02:21]

Dagmar:

Buy a $16 no-name Vanta and you will soon be sorry

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unstable:

o; I would use MythTV; yea

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unstable:

I don't really know anything about this tv stuff. I've been using Debian GNU / Linux for a few years; And I use mplayer to play all my video.

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: Isn't it a kernel module that drives those? I thought it was

[06:03:06]

Dagmar:

unstable: Well, you'll need mplayer installed, but you won't have to invoke it directly.

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GreyFoxx:

And even then you only need mplayer if you want to useit for nonrecorded content (downloaded avi's and such) through mythvideo

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unstable:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127128

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unstable:

Is that $20 nvidia card decent?

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unstable:

o wait; I think that's generic

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unstable:

What do the new emachines come with; pci-e or agp?

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: it says to email about it if I have something not listed, and I have something not listed. It should just be a GPIO thing, but I don't know how to set that up

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unstable:

no it's not generic; it says chipset manufacturer "NVIDIA"

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tjcarter:

A big name 5200 will have DVI which is useful

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tjcarter:

you can also get component out of some of their VGA ports

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unstable:

Dagmar: Do you have the 274?

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Dagmar:

unstable: MSI makes reasonable stuff, so you should be safe with that

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unstable:

I wish I could test this stuff out before I buy it; heh

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Dagmar:

unstable: No, I bought the PVR-500.

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Dagmar:

It's not necessary to get component out through VGA

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Dagmar:

THe cards that support it have a connector that looks like an S-video connector with extra pins in it

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Dagmar:

You plug a breakout box into it, and get s-video, composite, and RGB outputs from that, *not* the VGA port

[06:15:27]

Dagmar:

It would be messy to try to get component output through VGA

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unstable:

Dagmar: If I get a headless $150 USD emachine(2.8 celeron + 256 megs of RAM + 40 gig hdd); and I buy this $22.50 USD MSI MX4000-T64 Geforce MX4000 64MB DDR AGP; and a $54.99 USD Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-150 274 PCI Interface Personal video recorder; You think that will be a decent system?

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Dagmar:

If you spend as little as possible, expect cheap performance.

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unstable:

Dagmar: Will the recorded video look the same as the television show when it plays live? or not even close?(in you opinion/guesstimate)

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Dagmar:

Oh

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Dagmar:

In that respect the video degradation should be minimal.

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unstable:

Well what other aspect is there? I just want to record tv and play it back.

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Dagmar:

The PVR-150 will be doing all the compression work on the video, so you shouldn't see any difference between watching TV *through* the MythTV box and watching recordings on the MythTV box

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Dagmar:

You shoudl probably be fine with that MSI card, and the quality on the Hauppage card is relatively fixed, and the rest isn't going to affect anything

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unstable:

Dagmar: If I don't have mythtv box right now; only cable box + tv; and I watch "Trainspotting" on IFC; then a week later after the MythTV box is setup..and this movie is played again, then I record it and watch the recorded video on the MythTV box will I see a difference?

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Dagmar:

Probably not

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unstable:

awesome

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unstable:

Dagmar: So why would anyone buy a more expensive system?

[06:21:05]

Dagmar:

Because they feel like it and there's less risk

[06:21:14]

Dagmar:

You keep asking me the same question over and over

[06:21:21]

Dagmar:

"If I cheap out on this will I get burned"

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Dagmar:

NO ONE KNOWS.

[06:21:50]

Dagmar:

People spend more because they have different goals in mind.

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Dagmar:

You clearly don't care about anything but spending as little as possible.

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Dagmar:

So with that as your primary design goal, you'll _probably_ get away with it.

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unstable:

Well what else is there to care about? Are there other things you can do with MythTV with a more powerful system...that I can not do with a cheap system/

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Dagmar:

Only the TV output and the hauppage card (for which there is little alternative for you) are going to affect video quality.

[06:23:22]

Dagmar:

Dude, don't ask me to justify your own pet project for you.

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Dagmar:

That's just unreasonable.

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Dagmar:

I use mine to listen to music, archive the shows I watch for awhile, and just generally act as a media center.

[06:24:33]

Dagmar:

I bought the dual-tuner card because I didn't want to have to *not* watch something because it would mess up whatever I might be recording at the moment

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Dagmar:

Technically I probably spent less money than you plan to, since I already had the motherboard, the CPU, the RAM, and the video card. I've added the IR transciever just because at some point someone other than me might be over and try to use the thing

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unstable:

If I take my non-crap system I already have (3ghz + 2 gigs of DDR RAM + 300 gig hdd); can I buy a video card with two outputs?

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Dagmar:

I've also got um, over a decade of experience with constructing systems, and one of the big Universal Truths is that scrimping is more trouble than it's worth.

[06:28:19]

unstable:

So I can do my normal irssi/screen/firefox stuff on my lcd monitor; and have mythtv output to my television?

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Dagmar:

That's still the same question as before.

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Dagmar:

If you're used to cheap, you'll be happy with it.

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Dagmar:

*MOST* nVidia cards come with two outputs now.

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unstable:

no; I'm asking if it's possible to use my main desktop as normal; but add a video card with two outputs; So MythTV will run normal; and I can use my desktop for firefox + irssi at the same time.

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Dagmar:

Many can do DVI, VGA, and S-video, but only two at once.

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unstable:

o so it is possible; awesome

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Dagmar:

Yes, but it's going to be a lot of research on how to configure it

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unstable:

So instead of paying $220 for a standalone DVR; I'll just use my desktop I already have.

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unstable:

damn

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unstable:

So no one has done this...and it's very difficult to do?

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unstable:

I'm a hardware moron; but I know Debian GNU / Linux pretty well.

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Dagmar:

Oh yes, you've come up with sometthing completely unique and never tried before.

[06:31:30]

Dagmar:

It's doable.

[06:31:35]

Dagmar:

It requires configuration.

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unstable:

k; that's not a problem.

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unstable:

thanks a lot for the help Dagmar. I appreciate all the information.

[06:31:56]

Dagmar:

How to do it is documented, but you and that documentation are apparently not acquainted yet or you wouldn't have asked.

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unstable:

sorry for asking too many questions;

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Dagmar:

When I said "it requires research" I mean there is no handy "how to make MythTV run on just one of your displays" guide.

[06:32:42]

Dagmar:

You will be reading a LOT of documentation, but at least this information will be useful for other things later on in life.

[06:32:50]

Dagmar:

dual-head is handy stuff

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Dagmar:

Don't sweat having to ask a lot of questions.

[06:38:42]

Dagmar:

Just learn to recognize when you're actually asking the same question over and over because you don't like the answer you get.

[06:39:06]

Dagmar:

If you are in the habit of doing that, it'll take you longer to see when a bad design decision is staring you in the face.

[06:42:23]

LLyric:

Anyone got dvico dual-dvbt working 100%? (can't get remote working, and it occasionally just fails to record/start live tv)

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Dagmar:

unstable: People trying their damnedest to use compressed filesystem support or spending hours tweaking their swap settings are good examples of people who made bad design decisions and are too stubborn to realize it

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unstable:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/SoC2006#Accepted_Projects

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unstable:

Are those projects going to be complete by the end of the summer?

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unstable:

I guess they're already half-complete in svn or cvs?

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Dagmar:

Ask about some horse races why don't you

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Dagmar:

This is just retarded.

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Dagmar:

They've got in the ChangeLog for transcode's CVS "Add --enable-nuv to explicitly enable NuppelVideo support instead of depending on --enable-lzo"

[07:53:53]

Dagmar:

Is it actually there? No, of course not!@

[07:54:21]

Dagmar:

This is from 6 weeks ago, so it's not like this is in the middle of a change or something

[07:54:37]

Dagmar:

It's always good to not actually add a feature instead of fixing a stupid link

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tjcarter:

why the hell is the mac frontend trying to connect to 127.0.0.1 for anything after it is configured not to?

[08:03:31]

tjcarter:

2006-07–22 02:02:50.617 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)

[08:03:34]

tjcarter:

2006-07–22 02:02:50.617 Connection timed out.

[08:03:47]

tjcarter:

the only IP address set is not 127.0.0.1

[08:05:32]

Dagmar:

Dude, it has to connect to a backend somewhere or it's useless.

[08:06:07]

Dagmar:

There's a text file locally which contains the information about where it's supposed to connect to to reach the database

[08:06:15]

Dagmar:

That's probably still got the 127.0.0.1 address in it.

[08:06:34]

Dagmar:

(It can't magically "just know" where to connect to the database to get the rest of it's config, you see)

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: the backend is set to 192.168.7.101

[08:13:18]

tjcarter:

I guess I need to forward the port or something

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Dagmar:

No

[08:16:35]

Dagmar:

You need to _configure the frontend_

[08:16:41]

Dagmar:

Let me make this very, very clear

[08:17:11]

tjcarter:

the frontend isn't the problem

[08:17:14]

Dagmar:

The frontend will store information about it's configuration in two different places. The primary one is in the database itself.

[08:17:38]

Dagmar:

"<tjcarter> why the hell is the mac frontend trying to connect to 127.0.0.1"

[08:17:52]

Dagmar:

You're *sure* the frontend isn't the problem?

[08:18:10]

tjcarter:

well, when I ran the frontend, it ran a setup program which asked me for an IP

[08:18:20]

tjcarter:

127.0.0.1 ain't what I entered.

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Dagmar:

It might be buggered.

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tjcarter:

I then checked the backend itself

[08:19:16]

tjcarter:

(just moments ago)

[08:19:29]

tjcarter:

it was thinking its own IP was 127.0.0.1 which happens to be true

[08:19:50]

tjcarter:

however, this has now changed and the Mac frontend doesn't seem to notice despite restart

[08:20:03]

Dagmar:

Look for By definition 127.0.0.1 is going to be the local machine

[08:20:15]

Dagmar:

s/Look for/;

[08:21:08]

Dagmar:

There's a local file that is supposed to contain the information about the backend's location

[08:22:13]

Dagmar:

I don't know what they've done to "mac-ify" it, but under Linux it sits in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[08:22:45]

** tjcarter blows away config and tries again **

[08:22:50]

tjcarter:

that is where it is

[08:22:59]

Dagmar:

So set it correctly

[08:23:05]

tjcarter:

it was correct.

[08:23:11]

Dagmar:

That's what tells the frontend where to look for the database

[08:23:31]

tjcarter:

W00T! I think I got it working

[08:23:45]

tjcarter:

it was reading the 127.0.0.1 out of the database and obviously that's borked

[08:25:09]

tjcarter:

now all I gotta do is get the recording volume higher.

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Dagmar:

Man am I going to be pissed if I can't actually get this thing to export XviD after all this

[08:41:35]

Dagmar:

heh

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Hoxzer:

:/ I want to get my xine to play h642

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Hoxzer:

somebody says I have to compile ffmpeg from svn but then again does xine use it. I thought xine uses internal ffmpeg

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nchip:

is it normal to mythtv to store over one year worth of historic program guide data?

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[10:45:47]

Dagmar:

nope

[10:45:58]

SteveDaniels:

Someone else mentioned this in the users list, can't remember the outcome of it.

[10:46:12]

Dagmar:

The question is, why do the think it's done this?

[10:46:17]

Dagmar:

s/the/they/;

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nchip:

because there is data in the DB from the last year :)

[10:46:47]

Dagmar:

Suuure there is

[10:46:55]

Dagmar:

What makes you think that data is there?

[10:47:08]

SteveDaniels:

But my setup still has data in it from the very first time it was turned on. I'm using DVB-T with EIT.

[10:47:25]

nchip:

select * from program sort by starttime limit 5;

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nchip:

| 1017 | 2005-07–06 18:05:00 | 2005-07–06 18:15:00 | 1 (TV1) |

[10:47:41]

SteveDaniels:

I can see exactly what was on tv on new years day..

[10:48:25]

Dagmar:

Well, it's not happening here.

[10:49:01]

Dagmar:

I figured you'd be like the others that open the database file in vi and see the deleted but not-yet-reallocated tables and freak out

[10:49:21]

Dagmar:

Were you perhaps doing anything "interesting" with the mysql permissions on that table?

[10:49:21]

nchip:

heh

[10:49:26]

SteveDaniels:

People open database files in vi?!

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Dagmar:

Oh yes they do

[10:49:39]

Dagmar:

Hehe

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nchip:

maybe it was leftovers from some old cvs/svn version I was using

[10:50:10]

Dagmar:

Maybe so

[10:50:18]

SteveDaniels:

I've never done any alterations to the permissions, myth's just never deleted any of the guide data it's ever received.

[10:50:29]

nchip:

is it safe to just truncate the program table?

[10:50:32]

SteveDaniels:

nchip – using eit?

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Dagmar:

You should be able to blow away old entries

[10:50:45]

nchip:

SteveDaniels: yes

[10:51:01]

** nchip backups db with mysqldump first in any case **

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SteveDaniels:

Dagmar, your not using eit are you?

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Dagmar:

eit?

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nchip:

Dagmar: as opposed to populating program guide with cron and xmltv

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nchip:

Dagmar: eit gets the program data over-the-air (you need digital tv for that)

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SteveDaniels:

eit is over the air guide data

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Dagmar:

Nope. Definitely not using that

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Dagmar:

I just let mythfilldatabase do it's thing

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Dagmar:

Perhaps you need a cron job to delete entries more than a week old

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nchip:

uh

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nchip:

truncate and repopulate makes things look better

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Dagmar:

!@#!#@ nuvexport

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mastermoll88:

so....can aanyone help me get mythTV to work ?

[12:11:42]

nomin:

I would like to install mythtv on ubuntu dapper and I would like to know the basic steps that I need to follow. Do I need to configure mysql and then mythtv after installing with synaptic? Is that essentially what I need to do?

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nomin:

hello mastermoll88

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mastermoll88:

hmmmm....i just set a root password in mysql , and that is all the "configuring mysql" i did

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nomin:

looks like we're in the same boat

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Dagmar:

mastermoll88: Then you have a whole lot of the HOWTO let to go through

[12:12:54]

mastermoll88:

then i spend days trying to get all the seetings right for mythTV

[12:12:59]

mastermoll88:

but still nothing..

[12:14:06]

mastermoll88:

i am kind of sick and tired of HOWTO`s

[12:14:13]

mastermoll88:

none of those stupid work..

[12:14:25]

mastermoll88:

keep in mind i have been using ubuntu for only a week now..

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Dagmar:

That's a shame because if you've only set a root password on mysql then I know you didn't read the one you're supposed to

[12:14:31]

mastermoll88:

and i am very new to linux

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

[12:14:49]

Dagmar:

Well, Linux involves a lot of reading.

[12:15:22]

nomin:

mastermoll88: I think someone needs to make a howto in the ubuntuforums in order to make things easier for us

[12:15:34]

mastermoll88:

yes...

[12:15:57]

nomin:

If I get it working I suppose I can put something on the forums

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Dagmar:

Why would they?

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mastermoll88:

a lot of reading !?!? but i have been reading for a week and still have no managed to get that damn mythTV to work..and neither have i got the ATI drovers to work...

[12:16:18]

Dagmar:

wah wah wah

[12:16:28]

mastermoll88:

and i am getting bored of looking into HOWTO`s

[12:16:42]

Dagmar:

Just be glad there IS a howto for this and that you don't have to figure it all out through trial and error and deliberate design.

[12:16:43]

nomin:

mastermoll88: ATI drivers for linux aren't that great BTW. Nvidia is way better.

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Dagmar:

It's detailed, it's thorough, and if you work through it from top to bottom, MythTV is actually likely to work.

[12:17:21]

Dagmar:

For sure no one's doing any handholding.

[12:17:58]

nomin:

there have been some posts in ubuntuforums that actually do handholding for people. They make things very easy in there.

[12:18:08]

Dagmar:

Good for them.

[12:18:18]

nomin:

but there's no mythtv post yet

[12:19:09]

Dagmar:

That's because the HOWTO I posted is quite detailed enough.

[12:19:20]

Dagmar:

s/posted/posted the URL to/;

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nomin:

Dagmar: is installation of mythtv essentially these 3 steps: 1) install all the packages 2) configure mysql 3) configure mythtv ?

[12:20:54]

Dagmar:

Somewhere in there should be "install a hardware-accelerated tuner card and make sure you have the kernel drivers compiled for it"

[12:21:12]

Dagmar:

But it's all in the howto, and I do not do handholding.

[12:21:40]

Dagmar:

If you have a specific problem as some step goes into meltdown, I might pay attention, but as far as I'm concererned handholding is for mommy and daddy.

[12:23:20]

Dagmar:

...and before you can get in a huff, it generally takes maybe two hours to get MythTV working, and that's if you read slow.

[12:24:07]

nomin:

Dagmar: how long would it take an experienced linux user to install mythtv in ubuntu dapper using synaptic? Assuming that nothing goes wrong along the way and the video driver is already installed.

[12:24:31]

Dagmar:

Maybe 10 minutes

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nomin:

cool

[12:24:53]

nomin:

so 2 hours is only if compiling from source?

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Dagmar:

Of course, if a chimp does it, he'll never figure out how to acutally USE it, not knowing the first thing about how it works, and I'd give it maybe three days before he manages to break it.

[12:25:37]

Dagmar:

No, two hours is assuming you have at least some binary packages pre-made, that you can read, and that you're going through the HOWTO not really knowing anything about MythTV to stat.

[12:25:40]

Dagmar:

s/stat/start/;

[12:25:57]

Dagmar:

If you have to built it from source, it's going to be anywhere between 8 and 30 hours.

[12:26:04]

Dagmar:

s/built/build/;

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laga:

2 hours? maybe a little bit longer if you need to mess with drivers, autostart and so on.

[12:26:20]

Dagmar:

Maybe as low as 4 if you have a cutting edge CPU

[12:26:47]

laga:

building mythtv from source doesn't take that long, around 45 minutes on my xp 1800+ i think

[12:27:09]

Dagmar:

If you don't have binary packages available, and aren't used to compiling things from source, you'd better just download a KnoppMyth ISO and pray that it works at all.

[12:27:17]

Dagmar:

laga: Not if you have to build QT.

[12:27:42]

Dagmar:

...and definitely not if you intend to deploy transcode and all of it's million and one dependencies

[12:27:53]

laga:

well, that's different.

[12:28:46]

Dagmar:

I think I've put about 14–15 hours into making transcode "go".

[12:29:09]

Dagmar:

The maintainers of that and ffmpeg, and possible avifile as well, should be floggefd.

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Dagmar:

...all for the same reason: Including part or all of each other's projects in their source code, and *not keeping those parts up-to-date

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Dagmar:

It would have been maybe 5 hours tops if it weren't for that nonsense

[12:31:04]

laga:

are you talking about libavcodec and other ffmpeg stuff? then you should the mythtv maintainers too :)

[12:31:09]

nomin:

mastermoll88: Installing MythTV on Ubuntu 6.06 (Dapper) with a Hauppauge PVR-150/250/350/500 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=855c . . . light=mythtv

[12:31:12]

nomin:

that might help

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Dagmar:

Dude, the myth stuff at least BUILT

[12:32:03]

laga:

heh

[12:32:17]

Dagmar:

The version of ffmpeg that's included in avifile can't *possibly* build completely.

[12:32:39]

Dagmar:

If you pass it --enable-v4l it starts using called from v4l2 without ever attempting to pull in the headers containing them

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laga:

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Dagmar:

I had to practically excise that part with a knife

[12:33:28]

Dagmar:

...and it's a good thing that no one is really relying on pkgconfig files from ffmpeg, because they're broken horribly.

[12:34:34]

Dagmar:

It's simple enough to patch them, but I can't help but think someone should have noticed how wacky their contents were.

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nomin:

I have a hauppauge wintv GO-Plus. I don't think it's a PVR but it records fine on windows and I can watch tv just fine on linux. I just haven't been able to record yet. It's a bt878. It should be able to work fine with mythtv, correct?

[12:46:39]

nomin:

the reason I'm asking is bacause there are alot of help files talking about hauppauge PVR which I think is a different brand name of different cards than the one I have, even though mine does record.

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Dagmar:

It'll work, but it'll still suck

[12:58:07]

mastermoll88:

dude

[12:58:19]

mastermoll88:

i`ve got no ideeas what the hell i`m suppose to do..

[12:58:26]

mastermoll88:

i`m bored out of my mind..

[12:58:54]

mastermoll88:

it took me exactly 2 minutes to install everything i needed for my TV Tuner card from it sofware CD in windows...

[12:59:07]

mastermoll88:

this linux "experience" stuff is murder

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Dagmar:

Yep. Someone got paid for that.

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Dagmar:

No one's getting paid for this. You got it free. Which means you get to read documentation.

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mastermoll88:

hmmmm...yes you are right..

[12:59:50]

mastermoll88:

but..i do not understand what i have to do

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Dagmar:

The howto is very clear.

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mastermoll88:

the documentation is cluless

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Dagmar:

You're just not bothering to read it.

[13:00:24]

mastermoll88:

9.4 Configuring and running mythfilldatabase — complete bullshit

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mastermoll88:

none of it works

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Dagmar:

If you're just planning on watching TV, you need TVTime, not MythTV.

[13:00:39]

mastermoll88:

i don`t even know what the database is for..

[13:00:52]

Dagmar:

mastermoll88: Duh, of course it doesn't work if you didn't read the sections that came before it, and do them in order

[13:01:08]

Dagmar:

Perhaps you will find http://www.rif.org more helpful

[13:01:11]

nomin:

mastermoll88: you need to spend some time getting used to linux. There is a learning curve, but when you get used to it it's not so bad.

[13:01:29]

nomin:

mastermoll88: you're not going to get it all overnight.

[13:01:43]

mastermoll88:

aaaaaa wait...about the "tvtime" ideea , well , when i try to start it , it tell me i don`t have droivers that support "YUY2"

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mastermoll88:

what is that ?

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mastermoll88:

what is YUY2

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mastermoll88:

mastermoll88@mastermoll88:~$ tvtime

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mastermoll88:

Running tvtime 1.0.1.

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mastermoll88:

Reading configuration from /usr/local/etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml

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mastermoll88:

Reading configuration from /home/mastermoll88/.tvtime/tvtime.xml

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mastermoll88:

xvoutput: No XVIDEO port found which supports YUY2 images.

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nomin:

mastermoll88: mythtv is much more complex than the software that comes with the tv card for windows

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mastermoll88:

*** tvtime requires hardware YUY2 overlay support from your video card

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mastermoll88:

*** driver. If you are using an older NVIDIA card (TNT2), then

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mastermoll88:

*** this capability is only available with their binary drivers.

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mastermoll88:

*** For some ATI cards, this feature may be found in the experimental

[13:02:53]

mastermoll88:

*** GATOS drivers: http://gatos.souceforge.net/

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mastermoll88:

*** If unsure, please check with your distribution to see if your

[13:02:57]

mastermoll88:

*** X driver supports hardware overlay surfaces.

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mastermoll88:

mastermoll88@mastermoll88:~$

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nomin:

stop spamming dude

[13:03:10]

nomin:

use a pastebin for that

[13:03:38]

nomin:

http://pastebin.com/

[13:03:45]

Dagmar:

*** Automatically ignoring msgs from mastermoll88!*@* in #MythTV (Flooding threshold exceeded)

[13:04:05]

Dagmar:

I figured it would only be a matter of time and the problem would solve itself.

[13:04:09]

nomin:

mastermoll88: when you have a lot of text, you put it in a paste bin so it doesn't take up the whole chat room

[13:04:27]

nomin:

then you just post the link for others to view

[13:04:45]

SteveDaniels:

mastermoll88 – how old are you, and to what level are you educated? (just so we know where to start with you..)

[13:05:16]

Dagmar:

nomin: The sad thing is that I have been through the howto myself, within the last two weeks. I keep forgetting bits here and there. So I *know* the documentation there is correct and complete

[13:05:21]

mastermoll88:

17 , hight school ( still in progress)

[13:05:43]

SteveDaniels:

Have you ever used linux before?

[13:06:09]

mastermoll88:

no

[13:06:25]

mastermoll88:

well , i used mandrake 10.1 but i never understood it..

[13:06:31]

mastermoll88:

so i got rid of it

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Dagmar:

Dude, what kind of video card do you have in your machine?

[13:06:44]

Dagmar:

...and I'm guessing you're not planning on going to college.

[13:06:45]

mastermoll88:

Ati Radeon 9550

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mastermoll88:

dude , i`m roumanian , here to start hight school at about 15 , andd we finish at about 18–19

[13:07:16]

Dagmar:

Next time, buy nVidia. Just take my word on it. It's much easier to deal with.

[13:07:43]

Dagmar:

Yeah, and I've turned a BUNCH of you guys over to your local authorities, so I know it's not like there's some genetic predisposition for ignorance over there.

[13:07:55]

Dagmar:

...although I would suggest moving somewhere with a better economy once you hit your majority, if you can.

[13:08:19]

nomin:

mastermoll88: I've been using linux off and on for about 2 and a half years now and I'm still learning linux. I've got just about everything working on it that I want to, and mythtv is one of the last things for me to do. I recommend learning other linux stuff before trying to get mythtv going.

[13:08:20]

Dagmar:

You should probably follow up on that "gatos" hint TVTime gave you first.

[13:08:55]

mastermoll88:

dude ! you can shove those fucking jewesh ideas of "better economy" where the sun don`t shine !!! oh , buddy?!?!?!?!

[13:09:01]

mastermoll88:

i ain`t leaving roumania !

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mastermoll88:

not now , not ever!

[13:09:24]

mastermoll88:

we have pleanty of traitors leaving the country as it is

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Dagmar:

Left to it's own machinations, the way that (your English is at least quite good, I'll give you that much) X draws to the screen with an ATI card is actually pretty slow

[13:09:43]

mastermoll88:

if they ever try to get back , i personally would love to have them executed for high treason

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Dagmar:

mastermoll88: I've talked to enough people who work in information technology over there to know that things are *not* going well in that sector, to be sure.

[13:10:27]

nomin:

I think things are getting extremely off topic

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Dagmar:

Nationalism is all well and good, so long as you don't let it confuse you about what's actually going on

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nomin:

try #politics

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nomin:

instead

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Dagmar:

You need to get the code installed which lets X use the accellerated functions of the ATI chipset, which will get you that "YUY2" thing TVTime was telling you you were missing, among other things.

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mastermoll88:

how do i get that code installed ?

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mastermoll88:

how do i get that code ???

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laga:

!trout mastermoll88 clue

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** MythLogBot slaps mastermoll88 with a clue trout on behalf of laga... **

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mastermoll88:

to make the X-server use the Ati card

[13:13:42]

onetwo:

will anyone take a look at this http://pastebin.ca/95917 and provide the answer it's mytharchive not compiling?

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Dagmar:

MythArchive? What module is that?

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laga:

onetwo: are you running svn trunk? or 0.19-fixes?

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onetwo:

trunk

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laga:

Dagmar: check wiki.mythtv.org it's really nifty

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laga:

onetwo: then i don't know, sorry

[13:14:39]

Dagmar:

onetwo: You might want to stick with 0.19 or 0.19-fixes

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SteveDaniels:

Dagmar, read the wiki ;-)

[13:14:57]

Dagmar:

onetwo: It's altogether possible that it simply doesn't work at all at the moment

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onetwo:

well, I have the old mythburnui running, I just wanted to have a look at this.

[13:15:17]

SteveDaniels:

MythArchive doesn't work with .19 or .19-fixes

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Dagmar:

CVS-hosted code is fun like that. :)

[13:15:44]

laga:

it's svn.

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Dagmar:

Same difference

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laga:

i think i compiled mytharchive just fine the other day... i'll check, give me a few minutes.

[13:16:10]

Dagmar:

onetwo: Have you had MythTV installed previous to this?

[13:16:13]

mastermoll88:

anyone want to help me over here !?!?!?

[13:16:32]

Dagmar:

...and you thought I was the only one who doesn't do hand-holding.

[13:16:52]

SteveDaniels:

mastermoll888 – I think since you seem not to want to do too much work yourself, you should just use windows :-P

[13:17:05]

Dagmar:

onetwo: It looks like you have, and it looks like that's likely the problem

[13:17:37]

Dagmar:

onetwo: If /usr/lib/libmythtv-0.19.so isn't from that same set of code you pulled down, it's very likely that's why it's failing to build

[13:17:47]

nomin:

Dagmar: you said that my card will work but it will still suck. What will suck about it?

[13:18:07]

laga:

amget a clue, read some documentation and stop being a racist asshole

[13:18:20]

laga:

mastermoll88: ^^ meant for you

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Dagmar:

nomin: Bt cards are good for watching TV, but recording video with them is a very CPU-intensive process. Like, 1Ghz or better required, and even then if you shove the machine around too much it'll drop frames unless you're well over that

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mastermoll88:

laga , what race are you ?

[13:19:05]

mastermoll88:

just curios...

[13:19:23]

nomin:

Dagmar: in windows, I've noticed that the sound and video aren't in sync after about 20 minutes of recording.

[13:19:49]

mastermoll88:

Dagmar , i only want to get some decent TV Tuner sofware working..is that too fucking much to ask for ?

[13:19:53]

Dagmar:

nomin: For as inexpensive as they are, the PVR-xxx cards from Hauppage make that part of things a veritable _cakewalk_. Once the driver is up and going, you can literally just set the tuner to a channel, and do a `cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg` and you get MPG video data.

[13:19:54]

nomin:

I have 2.8GHz P4, 512MB RAM, 64MB Nvidia

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Dagmar:

nomin: That's sounding like the framegrabber being unable to keep up

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SteveDaniels:

mastermoll88: I am more than happy to help you if you pay me too :-)

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laga:

mastermoll88: human.

[13:21:01]

SteveDaniels:

I thought you were Lagarian... ;-)

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Dagmar:

nomin: Notably, recording with a PVR card involves no more CPU load than just copying a file

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laga:

SteveDaniels: heh. homo lagens ;)

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Dagmar:

It makes things super-easy.

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SteveDaniels:

lol

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Dagmar:

...and you don't have to deal with the NippleVideo format. :)

[13:21:38]

nomin:

mastermoll88: try kde-tv if you just want to watch tv without recording.

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Dagmar:

nomin: He isnt' going to be able to do much of anything without installing the ATI video driver, or at least something that pretends to be fglrx

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mastermoll88:

human !?!!?? there are 5 main races ! and there are olso mixed race scum. Are you african by any chance ? or are you something of a misex race... :D

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mastermoll88:

now..about those ATI drivers...

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mastermoll88:

help !?!?

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nomin:

mastertroll

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SteveDaniels:

There's the 100m, 400m, 1500m, Half Marathon, and Full Marathon.. ;-)

[13:26:05]

SteveDaniels:

mastermoll88 – Use google.

[13:26:30]

SteveDaniels:

Or heck, try ATI's website.

[13:26:40]

Dagmar:

SteveDaniels: I already told him about http://www.rif.org, but apparently that didn't help eitehr.

[13:26:41]

mastermoll88:

daniels...maybe you can help me out a bit

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mastermoll88:

i`ve allredy tryed the ATI site drivers

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mastermoll88:

the isntaller didn`t work

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Dagmar:

There is http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.16.20.html of course, but it's mostly text. Very few pictures.

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SteveDaniels:

What error did it give?

[13:27:53]

SteveDaniels:

mastermoll88 – you should ideally move this to an ati lunx support channel or forum or mailing list, that would be the smartest and quickest way to get an answer if you really don't know how to use google.

[13:27:55]

mastermoll88:

Could not open the file /home/mastermoll88/ati-d…installer-8.26.18-x86.run.

[13:28:12]

mastermoll88:

i know google :)

[13:28:16]

mastermoll88:

i don`t know linux

[13:29:25]

mastermoll88:

gedit has not been able to detect the character coding.

[13:29:25]

mastermoll88:

Please check that you are not trying to open a binary file.

[13:29:25]

mastermoll88:

Select a character coding from the menu and try again.

[13:29:40]

mastermoll88:

admit it...none of you have a clue either on how to help me

[13:30:05]

mastermoll88:

so you don`t know all that much linux either

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Dagmar:

If you could read, you wouldn't get that message. It would work.

[13:30:47]

mastermoll88:

yes..

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mastermoll88:

but..

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Dagmar:

Raise your hand if you've never seen the "challenge them to prove they can actually do something trivial" trolling technique before.

[13:31:07]

** SteveDaniels raises hand... **

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mastermoll88:

yeah..can you ?

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mastermoll88:

i think not !

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Dagmar:

mastermoll88: I am looking at the instructions that are a mere ONE CLICK away from https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.a . . . folderID=300 and from them I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are not reading.

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Dagmar:

SteveDaniels: You just got the intarwebs for Christmas, did you?

[13:31:39]

Dagmar:

;)

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mastermoll88:

i allredy read that crap !

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mastermoll88:

didn`t help me

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Dagmar:

Then you really should have your water supply checked for heavy metals.

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mastermoll88:

look , i`m just looking for direct answears , if you don`t know either , than just tell me what you do know..maybe that will help..

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Dagmar:

I know that unless you learn to read and follow instructions, you're screwed.

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nomin:

mastermoll88: you're going to need to do some research. It's going to take some time.

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mastermoll88:

and i know that the svastika on my back is the least thing you would ever want to see , isn`t that right ?

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SteveDaniels:

mastermoll88 go to the directory where you downloaded the ati*.run file to.

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Dagmar:

...and run the command the nice web page said to run.

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nomin:

mastertroll88: you're not going to get much help acting like that

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SteveDaniels:

Dagmar, he may have to set the file as executable first – which I didn't do and it frustrated me for hours.

[13:34:59]

Dagmar:

SteveDaniels: Nope. the way they invoke it on the page precludes that ever being necessary.

[13:35:01]

mastermoll88:

ok..i will take a look

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mastermoll88:

ATI actively assists qualified 3rd party Linux developers writing software for the majority of ATI products by providing them with development kits and information.

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mastermoll88:

:))

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Dagmar:

hahahahah

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Dagmar:

Translation: "ATI actively ignores all third-party attempts to work with their hardware, and sneers at your puny operating system."

[13:37:21]

SteveDaniels:

From the directory try typing the following... sh ./ati-d*installer-8.26.18-x86.run

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SteveDaniels:

sh ./ati-d*installer-8.26.18-x86.run

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Dagmar:

SteveDaniels: If he coulnd't read that on the web page, I don't think you typing it is going to help him much. :/

[13:37:43]

SteveDaniels:

Oh hold on

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SteveDaniels:

That's rubbush

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mastermoll88:

thanbk`s man !

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mastermoll88:

it`s actually workin

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mastermoll88:

i`ll be damned ! it seems to work

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Dagmar:

reeding is gud

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SteveDaniels:

mastermoll88 – what you missed in your haste and lazyness was the link on the download page that told you how to install it.

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SteveDaniels:

On this download page: https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.a . . . folderID=300

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mastermoll88:

:D

[13:40:19]

mastermoll88:

well i am a very laizy individual

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SteveDaniels:

Click the "New install instructions"link

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Dagmar:

Then Linux is not for you.

[13:40:27]

mastermoll88:

as all roumanians are...

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Dagmar:

We've noticed.

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SteveDaniels:

mastermoll88 For my services, which I told you at the start that I would be charging you for, you owe me £100.

[13:41:15]

mastermoll88:

see , that is why we loved fighting under Adolf Hitler banned in WW2 , this way , the scum of the erath did all the work for us...

[13:41:43]

SteveDaniels:

mastermoll88 keep your bullshit to yourself.

[13:41:56]

Dagmar:

Yep. Definitely time to put him back in the ignore list for good.

[13:42:07]

nomin:

he's just trolling

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mastermoll88:

wait !

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mastermoll88:

stop !

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mastermoll88:

dude !

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SteveDaniels:

ignore mastermoll88

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mastermoll88:

?

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Dagmar:

No, he's very likely geniunely that stupid.

[13:42:35]

SteveDaniels:

crap, put the slash the wrong way around

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mastermoll88:

stop !!!

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Dagmar:

There's plenty of corroberating evidence to support it.

[13:42:44]

mastermoll88:

dude !!!

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Dagmar:

s/ber/bor/;

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mastermoll88:

i still need some help with the TV Tuner card

[13:43:07]

mastermoll88:

don`t ignore me yet !

[13:43:09]

SteveDaniels:

Dagmar, I do love your geeky correction style!

[13:43:49]

Dagmar:

SteveDaniels: I thought about writing up a script that would let irssi actually parse seddish retroactively, and then I though about how easily it could be abused and changed my mind. Heh

[13:44:58]

SteveDaniels:

Heh.. Right – I've got to tidy my room. Got a mate coming round later for a bit of multiplayer gaming..

[13:45:12]

Dagmar:

Which one?

[13:45:20]

SteveDaniels:

Got to find my wallet too! Beer aint free tonight!

[13:45:40]

SteveDaniels:

Good ol' command and conquer zh

[13:45:44]

SteveDaniels:

and many more

[13:45:49]

Dagmar:

nice and explody

[13:46:22]

SteveDaniels:

I wish I was back in the RAF – gone are the days of 20p pints..

[13:46:32]

SteveDaniels:

Anyhow... laters

[13:47:07]

** SteveDaniels away tidying – gaming – drinking – gaming – sleeping **

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laga:

mastermoll88: heh. quite cute. you belong to a superior race and can't even install your tv capture card? :) you suck :)

[13:47:25]

mastermoll88:

actually asshole !

[13:47:29]

mastermoll88:

the system sucks

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mastermoll88:

nigger linux..

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mastermoll88:

:))

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GreyFoxx:

Man, who let the child in here ?

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laga:

GreyFoxx: can you ban him?

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mastermoll88:

people

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mastermoll88:

calm dawn

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GreyFoxx:

mastermoll88: Some of us don't find racial comments, funny, cute or in anywayinteresting and it's not welcome in here even in a "just kidding" manner

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Dagmar:

He'd have surely been long gone had I that awesome power.

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mastermoll88:

actually i am not "just kidding"

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mastermoll88:

if you even come to roumania by air and wind up in Bucharest , you might even meet my comrades in Front 14. If youre anything but white , they will brake you legs..

[13:51:38]

Dagmar:

Maybe it's the vampires that do it to them

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GreyFoxx:

Irrelvant

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laga:

well, with the OSS community supposedly being tolerant and anything, maybe we have to keep him.

[13:52:37]

GreyFoxx:

Hahah

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onetwo:

dagmar, cheers. I did have an old one in /usr/local from a previous typo – it's always the simple things that get you!

[13:52:54]

mastermoll88:

antway..at least you got my those linux drivers working...

[13:53:08]

Dagmar:

onetwo: Actually I was thinking that it was the ones in /usr/lib that were from an older build of Myth

[13:53:11]

laga:

mastermoll88: are you self-conscious about the size of your genitals?

[13:53:21]

mastermoll88:

18 cm

[13:53:25]

mastermoll88:

and i`m 17

[13:53:27]

mastermoll88:

not bad

[13:53:40]

mastermoll88:

nigger usualy have bigger dicks...but..what can you do..

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Dagmar:

onetwo: you pretty much gotta pull the trunk code for mythtv to get some of those things to build, but yeah, having them in both /usr and /usr/local at the same time provides all sorts of interesting ways for autoconf scripts to make unintelligent choices.

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onetwo:

it was just a typo in configure and a half built build – and of course that was compiled against an old avutil from before the ffmpeg update

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** Dagmar cringes at the mention of those two "tools" **

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Dagmar:

nuvexport and ffmpeg have actually given me incentive to sit down and read all the documentation for transcode

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Dagmar:

...now that I have a transcode binary that doesn't freaking explode.

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Dagmar:

Whether or not it makes everyone on the screen a peculiar shade of purple has yet to be seen. I'm still waiting for the first test to complete.

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mastermoll88:

well , i`m off , bye niggers , hope the africanners give you a decent death :))

[13:57:59]

mastermoll88:

and stop those farm murders !

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laga:

mastermoll88: btw

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mastermoll88:

we know about nelson mandela

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laga:

mastermoll88: i'll report this to your ISP.

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Dagmar:

ignore mastermoll88 none

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Dagmar:

I gotta see his response to that one

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laga:

Dagmar: heh

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mastermoll88:

amuzed !

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Dagmar:

I think by now if you just email them an IP address and have the word "hack" somewhere in the email, a bot cancels their connection

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laga:

heh

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mastermoll88:

actually than imposible

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mastermoll88:

:))

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mastermoll88:

but you niggers can try it

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Dagmar:

I suppose I have a 56k modem here somewhere I could use to flood the entire country offline, but that's too much collateral damage.

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laga:

yeah, that'd be mean

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Dagmar:

I'd rather just wait for rdsnet to go bankrupt.

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Beirdo:

mouthy bugger

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laga:

ban his ip, too?

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laga:

thanks, btw

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Beirdo:

dunno what his IP was

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GreyFoxx:

86.126.34.29

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Dagmar:

Shucks

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Beirdo:

thank ye, it scrolled off my screen

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Dagmar:

I was about to copy it back over from my browser

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Beirdo:

done :)

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GreyFoxx:

http://86.126.34.29/mythweb/program_listing.php

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Dagmar:

I suppose it would be cruel to ask that he merely be squelched. ;)

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Beirdo:

sorry, went off to breakfast

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GreyFoxx:

That's his install of mythweb

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Dagmar:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

nopassword or anything

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GreyFoxx:

but his php doesn't have mysql support

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GreyFoxx:

idiot

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Dagmar:

Well, he's running Ubuntu

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GreyFoxx:

*nod*

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Beirdo:

every distro gets its share of boneheads

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Hoxzer:

lol

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Dagmar:

I was just commenting on why it didn't have mysql support by default

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Beirdo:

it needs you to choose to install it

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Dagmar:

Yep. And you don't know do to that if you can't read.

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Beirdo:

ubuntu (unlike some distros like Fedora) doesn't assume you want to install absolutely everything :)

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Hoxzer:

interesting ..

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Beirdo:

need caffeine

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Dagmar:

Beirdo: They've improved since 1996 at least.

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Hoxzer:

execution failed and root was running monit :(

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Dagmar:

Beirdo: Give 'em another 10 years. ;)

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Hoxzer:

like makes me say "hmmm... why?"

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Hoxzer:

aha.

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Hoxzer:

it is still running :D this is getting interesting

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Dagmar:

Wow. nuvexport is pretty diligent.

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Dagmar:

I've never seen anything re-encode 115% of a file and just keep on going.

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Dagmar:

:/

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Beirdo:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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Beirdo:

the numbers it bases it on are often inaccurate

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Dagmar:

At least I can tell there's definitely some room for me to hack some new/working code into nuvexport

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

the code works though

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Dagmar:

I am not so convinced.

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Beirdo:

in the end, do you get a valid file?

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Beirdo:

if so, the code works :)

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Dagmar:

I am not amused by the fact that it takes a 640x480 video and then "suggests" that to get a 4:3 aspect ratio that it should be rescaled to 624px wide

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Beirdo:

are you cropping?

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Dagmar:

Nope

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Beirdo:

what settings are you using?

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Dagmar:

Thank goodness it's in perl

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Dagmar:

Literally the defaults, with the exception of keeping the audio bitrate to 224 and making it not trim the thing (entering zero), to keep it at 640x480

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Dagmar:

Just outputting to xvid using transcode

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Beirdo:

hmm, dunno off hand

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Beirdo:

I can take a look in a couple minutes, it's been a while for me though

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Dagmar:

I suspect I could probably simplify things by just invoking transcode directly

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Beirdo:

heh, not too simple, but of course, you are welcome to try :)

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Dagmar:

I have ps. :)

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Dagmar:

I'm just going to have to look up all these freaking options it's invokign to be sure it's doing what it's supposed to be doing

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Dagmar:

I get the feeling I should probably test transcode with some of those reference codec files I finally dug up the other night

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Dagmar:

Oof. zero offset. That's why it's picking 624. *sigh*

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Dagmar:

I hate OO code

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Beirdo:

I need to make my fileserver capable of building myth

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

my PVR is STILL off

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Beirdo:

need to get a second cable box, and still haven't done so

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AngryElf:

I'm getting errors like: MySQL server has gone away in my backend log — and i'm sure it's related to a problem that, every once in a while mythbackend is still running, but the entire upcoming recordings list goes away

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AngryElf:

a simple restart of the backend fixes this

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GreyFoxx:

Running MysqL 5?

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AngryElf:

no

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AngryElf:

i switched down to 4.1 cause i thought that was the prob

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GreyFoxx:

Ok, cause it sounds like a common problem MySQL 5 users run into

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AngryElf:

mysql --version

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AngryElf:

mysql Ver 14.7 Distrib 4.1.15, for pc-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.1

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AngryElf:

...not sure what that readline 5.1 is

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AngryElf:

might a FE on a separate machine that is v5.0 be causing this?

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GreyFoxx:

Welll, I think the timeout is in the client libraries, so if the frontend is using mysql 5, it could certainly be a problem

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AngryElf:

GreyFoxx, if i pastebine the queries that error'd would you be able to tell if they were a BE or FE query?

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AngryElf:

pastebined

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AngryElf:

http://pastebin.ca/95984 I want to say they are mythWeb queries from when I tried to 'download' the file through mythweb...it errored though, i think mythweb returned a perm problem

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Rambo3:

why not just cancel the development of crapy product and go help freevo or geexbox team

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Beirdo:

go ahead, Rambo3

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Beirdo:

seeya

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RedMercury:

does anyone here use via unichrome?

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bluey-:

anyone can tell me where to get the audioscrobbler patch for mythmusic?

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fridge:

Hi, for some reason, MythVideo reports 'No files found' — even though in the video manager, it can see them fine

[17:16:26]

fridge:

If I enable 'file browsing', I can see the movies

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fridge:

but without it, they no longer appear at all

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fridge:

I must have changed something in the last two hours

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fridge:

I have no idea what it could be though

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fridge:

the logs don't clarify the situation

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fridge:

ahh, got it

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fridge:

the default filtering had changed

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fridge:

and nothing matched

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doggkruse:

can an nvidia quattro nvs 280 be used with xvmc?

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hpAuto:

anyone tell me, my mythfrontend menu labels are missing. I seem to remember this as a missing font issue

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hpAuto:

anyone tell me what I need?

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hpAuto:

msttcorefonts, ok I think I got it

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infringer:

I've tried and tried with this IR port for the pvr-150 non mce someone care to help me out here?

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infringer:

http://pastebin.ca/96161 will display all info required to show everything being done and all messages in order along the way would be very delightful if I could finally get this thing running like the many others.

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hpAuto:

why does mythmusic keep saying it's missing dependancies when I have them installed?

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sapbeast:

oh silver hauppauge, i have the usb one :/

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xris:

recruiter: hi, we found your details on dice.com. Please provide us your details if you're interested in a new job.

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xris:

wtf, stupid recruiters.

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Fnc:

i always tell them to email me the requirements, and the pay range... then they ask what i make, and i tell them a lot... so if you range isnt any good... so sorr

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Hoxzer:

xris: :( ?

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Hoxzer:

dice is eevil

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Hoxzer:

they made Bf2 so annoying :D .... eventhough I play it 24 7

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xris:

I've had the best luck with contacts from dice. way better than monster, hotjobs, etc.

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xris:

I just find it funy how stupid recruiters are these days.

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xris:

this is the second one in the last week who's written me asking for my resume, after specifically stating that he already found my resume.

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Hoxzer:

oh ... I mean the firm dice

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Hoxzer:

that what made BF2 :P

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Hoxzer:

game studio

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xris:

Fnc: yeah. I just come right out and say that if it's less than X I'm not interested.

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Fnc:

yeah ive had some.. that go.. Oh... ok.

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Fnc:

im like you looked at my resume.. what are you stupid

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xris:

I've recently met ONE recruiter who I actually enjoy dealing with.

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GreyFoxx:

xris: Is nuvexport-latest just a recent svn checkout ?

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xris:

GreyFoxx: symlink to the latest tarball

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xris:

in the archive dir

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xris:

almost got me an interview at valve, but the hiring manager hired someone from within (without telling him, and he's their onsite recruiter).. Nice guy, won't touch contract jobs, etc...

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** GreyFoxx is gonna grab a copy from svn but my subversion doesn't have SSL support :) **

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xris:

most importantly (since I'm not really looking for a new job), he's hooked a good friend of mine up with at least 2 interviews to get him out of realnetworks. and I'd get a $500 finding bonus if he does. heh.

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xris:

GreyFoxx: :(

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GreyFoxx:

mythtv@woop:~$ svn co https://svn.forevermore.net/svn/nuvexport/trunk nuvexport

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GreyFoxx:

svn: SSL is not supported

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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xris:

the tarball is usually completely up to date. it might be slightly off at the moment since I've been playing with ipod stuff recently

[18:41:55]

xris:

and xvid quality stuff

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xris:

holy crap it's hot today. 81 and 45% humidity. seattle's not supposed to be like this

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** GreyFoxx fires up an OpenBSD vm and uses svn on there to get it **

[18:44:50]

xris:

lol

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xris:

I haven't checked in a lot of these changes, anyway

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tate:

Howdy gents, I am loving my mythtv installation

[18:45:44]

tate:

Anyways, I am wonder approximately when the next release is coming along?

[18:45:58]

GreyFoxx:

tate: There is talk of something in a month or so

[18:46:09]

GreyFoxx:

but no specific dates or promises :)

[18:50:24]

Beirdo:

xris: welcome to the tropics

[18:52:01]

xris:

yeah, apparently

[18:53:41]

Beirdo:

97F at 46% here right now

[18:53:55]

Beirdo:

an average day

[18:56:31]

xris:

but you have AC, no?

[18:56:40]

Beirdo:

only in the master bedroom

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hpAuto:

things gettin hot in there

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Fnc:

its cool today here 95 and 33%

[18:57:31]

Beirdo:

where's that, Fnc?

[18:58:27]

Fnc:

dallas

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Beirdo:

ahh. PR here

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Fnc:

over 100 everyday this week

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Fnc:

cept today

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Fnc:

most days were 102–105... sucks

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** xris heads out to the farmers market to pick up his weekly share of produce... **

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Beirdo:

with heat index, it's been over 100F every day for almost 3 months now (since I got here)

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Beirdo:

i.e. when you calculate in the humidity

[19:02:09]

Beirdo:

I love it

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xris:

Beirdo: you're nuts.

[19:02:31]

Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

:)

[19:02:46]

Beirdo:

makes me drink lotsa water :)

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xris:

heh

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xris:

yeah, I do that, too.

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xris:

ok, time to go or I'll miss the guy with the really good tomatoes.

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Beirdo:

seeya

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hpAuto:

why when I click on music it doesn't do anything?

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hpAuto:

isn't it supposed to do something?

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geemark:

is the mailing list down?

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geemark:

anyway – I have a problem with LIRC – if I do not run mythfrontend / mythtv-setup as root, I get an "could not connect to socket. Permission denied" error from myth

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infringer:

could someone help me please? http://pastebin.ca/96161

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GreyFoxx:

Whatthe heck is that? Some howto ?

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infringer:

GreyFoxx no no it has the how to that I followed

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infringer:

and then I posted my results along the way

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infringer:

basically I follow the how to from start to finish having no luck getting my remote and IR blaster going

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** tjcarter performs an atomic update on his mysql database **

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tjcarter:

... which of course means nuking the damned thing and starting over! razzin' frazzin' piece of crap.

[21:49:01]

octan:

hi all.. im having a problem.. mythtv isnt working well,, when i start up mythtv everything is back.. if i press enter i can watch tv, but if i go out if tv mode.. everything is black again... anyone know how i can fix this?

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tjcarter:

octan: sounds like your theme is borked

[21:49:30]

octan:

it worked last night

[21:50:01]

tjcarter:

I do find it takes time to get out of live tv sometime

[21:50:05]

tjcarter:

I don't know why

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tjcarter:

but it has never remained black

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octan:

i think adept did something.. i upgraded yeasterday

[21:52:23]

octan:

how can i change theme manualy? i cant see what im doing in the menus :P

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laga:

mythfrontend --reset could help

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tjcarter:

yeah, listen to laga

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laga:

you can change the theme in the database, the settings table

[21:53:34]

laga:

no, don't ever listen to me, always check on what i've said

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octan:

hehe

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tjcarter:

laga: most people here don't know enough SQL for that.

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laga:

then $mostpeople should get phpmyadmin, it's a really nity utility imho

[21:55:08]

** tjcarter just did an atomic update on his database **

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tjcarter:

ie, blew it away to restore a corrupt one from backup =p

[21:56:10]

** tjcarter mumbles something incoherent about PostgreSQL ;) **

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GreyFoxx:

That's an old and tired waste of breath argument :)

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tjcarter:

hence the mumbling =)

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tjcarter:

it's not gonna happen if I don't write it, and frankly I'm just as happy with the nuke and pave approach when MySQL eats itself.

[22:00:05]

tjcarter:

MythTV isn't that critical, and this one was really my own fault.

[22:00:28]

GreyFoxx:

I have NEVER seen MySQL "eat itself" though I'veseen people bitch.

[22:00:47]

tjcarter:

which is all a long-winded way of saying I'm too lazy to write the code.

[22:00:47]

GreyFoxx:

I've seen it have corrupted tables if the process is killed midwrite

[22:00:59]

GreyFoxx:

I've seen it have problems with power outages

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tjcarter:

That's pretty much what happened.

[22:01:08]

GreyFoxx:

but I've seen the same on postgres and Oracle

[22:01:28]

laga:

GreyFoxx: it's also nice when the filesystem gets full.

[22:01:41]

GreyFoxx:

That's the admins fault ;)

[22:01:45]

tjcarter:

you have your database on a filesystem that gets full?

[22:01:47]

tjcarter:

=)

[22:01:53]

laga:

tjcarter: sure. :)

[22:01:56]

** laga sucks ;) **

[22:02:23]

tjcarter:

You know, KnoppMyth really should come with avahi-daemon

[22:02:43]

laga:

i've seen ahavi on my ubuntu dapper install, what does it do?

[22:03:13]

tjcarter:

laga: You know how a bunch of Macs on a network know eachother's names and services because of mDNS? =)

[22:03:38]

tjcarter:

avahi is Gnome's mDNS setup =)

[22:04:06]

tjcarter:

libnss-mdns is not part of avahi, but works independently of it.

[22:04:13]

infringer:

hrmmm... anyone have luck getting lirc to work with hauppage! silver remote control and its irblaster through its ir port on pvr-150 mce if so please do help.

[22:04:46]

infringer:

non mce rather

[22:04:56]

infringer:

it is not an mce version

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tjcarter:

infringer: I am about to have a 500 soon, I don't know if mine has the port, but I will be happy to give it a shot

[22:05:19]

infringer:

what distro

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tjcarter:

the MCE (what I ordered) doesn't have the remote, but I don't know if it has the port

[22:05:38]

tjcarter:

Currently KnoppMyth, but I'll be moving back to Ubuntu at some point.

[22:05:58]

tjcarter:

I used KnoppMyth for the 7 minute setup after having to replace a dying HD in a hurry

[22:06:03]

infringer:

ahhh yes I remember you were trying to convert movies

[22:06:18]

tjcarter:

yes, I managed to get the database extracted

[22:06:33]

infringer:

tjcarter great to hear man

[22:06:52]

tjcarter:

I didn't really want to convert them, I just wanted to know how to restore the backups I'd made

[22:06:53]

infringer:

there should be a better collaberation on how to's for newbs

[22:07:10]

infringer:

once I get it all running I'm going to make a simple tutor

[22:07:24]

tjcarter:

Actually, you should see the thoughts I have in my head for a guided setup for n00bs ;)

[22:08:03]

infringer:

hehe yeah its really not as hard as they make it to setup mythtv

[22:08:08]

tjcarter:

basically a GUI version of what KnoppMyth does now with a bit more handholding

[22:08:20]

tjcarter:

and a freakin' back button

[22:08:31]

infringer:

the problem is they leave out small details a lot of times

[22:08:40]

tjcarter:

I accidentally put my zip code in as 97403. I'm in Littleton, CO.

[22:08:49]

infringer:

lol

[22:08:59]

tjcarter:

That zip code is Eugene, Oregon. It took me awhile to find all the places that affected. =p

[22:09:13]

tjcarter:

This time last month, I was there!

[22:09:26]

infringer:

ha!

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laga:

tjcarter: oh, nice!

[22:09:53]

infringer:

not hard to fix really if you're using zap2it

[22:09:55]

laga:

tjcarter: so, kinda like the rendezvous stuff.

[22:10:06]

tjcarter:

that's exactly what it is

[22:10:22]

tjcarter:

infringer: you also have to fix the weather stuff

[22:10:29]

infringer:

yeah ez as pie

[22:10:37]

tjcarter:

infringer: and I didn't know anything about DataDirect at the time (like that it was free)

[22:10:45]

infringer:

just change it in weather settings

[22:10:53]

infringer:

rofl

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tjcarter:

yeah, but I didn't know anything remember?

[22:11:09]

infringer:

it really isnt a free service for many

[22:11:26]

tjcarter:

it isn't?

[22:11:34]

infringer:

or so I understand it that way

[22:11:39]

infringer:

but may be

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GreyFoxx:

It's free if you use myth

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tjcarter:

apparently you have to renew your subscription every 3 months or so

[22:11:55]

GreyFoxx:

and are not selling it commercially

[22:12:05]

infringer:

ahhh ok

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infringer:

thats the catch

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infringer:

well GreyFoxx I know it is also free for replaytv using WiRNS

[22:12:47]

hpauto:

anyone know why my ir remote wouldn't be working in frontend? irw shows it working

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tjcarter:

If zap2it started accumulating tivo-style grouplens data, they'd have market data that was more valuable than anything they could get from subscriptions

[22:12:50]

infringer:

amongst others I would believe

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** xris curses the heat **

[22:13:09]

tjcarter:

and myth would get the ability to suggest programs ala TiVo

[22:13:27]

GreyFoxx:

infringer: Zap2it likely also gave them a certificate code

[22:13:32]

GreyFoxx:

Or they are just using myth's :)

[22:13:40]

infringer:

yes they have there own code

[22:14:01]

infringer:

if I remember correct it is a Gold Membership code as well

[22:14:08]

GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: As long as I can turn that off :)

[22:14:09]

sha:

hpauto: bad lircrc?

[22:14:13]

infringer:

dunno what this one is didnt pay much attention

[22:14:21]

hpauto:

wait I think it might be the setup file

[22:14:31]

tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: I think rather you should have to turn it on

[22:15:10]

infringer:

my honest opinon is there going to make a good free service then charge the living piss out of people down the road

[22:15:12]

GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: I would find such a thing highly annoying. And while other users might loveit and are welcome to use such a thing,I would disable it on my system

[22:15:15]

sha:

hpauto: you have to edit your lircrc – and when starting mythfrontend from a xterm you should be able to see whats up with lirc

[22:15:24]

infringer:

but I hope that dont happen

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GreyFoxx:

infringer: I'd pay a modest fee if ti came to it

[22:15:39]

xris:

GreyFoxx: I'd love recommendations, but not the auto-record crap that tivo does

[22:16:25]

infringer:

GreyFoxx I'd look for an alternative or possibly pay for a phillips with a free lifetime guide...

[22:16:58]

GreyFoxx:

infringer:I've been happy with zap2it, so I'd pay something for it. I believe in paying for stuff I like if only to keep it alive :)

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infringer:

yes but, I would not pay some outrageous price that they'd most likely expect

[22:17:34]

xris:

zap2it has a good reason for keeping the dd stuff alive, though. they know most people would just go back to screen scraping if they killed the program

[22:17:43]

GreyFoxx:

xris: true

[22:17:50]

GreyFoxx:

it is likely better for them this way

[22:18:09]

xris:

screen scraping was probably costing them at least the same in bandwidth as it does to maintain the dd stuff. and with dd, they get the survey data, etc.

[22:18:33]

GreyFoxx:

And with the suggested updatetimes they get more control over bandwidth usage

[22:18:34]

xris:

I'm all for sharing my recording habits, too.. would mean that the shows I watch get points ala Nielsen and stay on the air.

[22:18:36]

tjcarter:

actually, I have a question for you guys =)

[22:18:48]

GreyFoxx:

xris: very true

[22:18:56]

laga:

GreyFoxx: and it reduces server load a lot.

[22:19:43]

hpauto:

ok lirc is still not working, where does mythtv look for lirc devices?

[22:20:02]

tjcarter:

hmm, so how does one set up a card for video input without it being a channel that is ever recorded or whatnot?

[22:20:03]

xris:

people have been trying to come up with ways to help reduce their bw even more.. like using something like bittorrent to distribute info... but zap2it has refused help, saying they want to keep control over things.. and the bandwidth isn't that bad with gzip, etc.

[22:20:06]

GreyFoxx:

man ffmpeg is not very speedy :)

[22:20:20]

xris:

GreyFoxx: nor is it very complete

[22:20:23]

xris:

tjcarter: huh?

[22:20:41]

infringer:

hpauto what are you trying to do what devices what distro and is mythtv running at all and is ivtv installed if so what version?

[22:20:52]

tjcarter:

ie, I have this framegrabber that will, as soon as I have my PVR 500 become not-used for TV.. I bought it for my Playstation ;)

[22:21:01]

** tjcarter doesn't have a TV, he has a BFM **

[22:21:03]

hpauto:

fedora core 4, using lircd

[22:21:24]

hpauto:

yea the frontend is running, but doesn't work with remote

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laga:

tjcarter: bfm? big fucking monitor?

[22:21:44]

infringer:

so backend is recieving connection

[22:21:53]

infringer:

and ivtv is installed

[22:21:57]

infringer:

but what version

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tjcarter:

laga: yah =D

[22:21:58]

xris:

tjcarter: so you want to hook it to what, though?

[22:22:04]

hpauto:

yea backend is running

[22:22:06]

tjcarter:

My Playstation

[22:22:11]

infringer:

and what type of IR equipment are you running

[22:22:28]

hpauto:

the haumpage grey remote

[22:22:37]

infringer:

ahhhh pvr-150

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tjcarter:

I'd like it to appear somewhere I can get at it in Myth, but it's not a video source, and I'd prefer it not be recorded from (delay and all)

[22:23:08]

tjcarter:

infringer: IIRC, lirc_dev and lirc_i2c ? =)

[22:23:09]

GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: You could pop in a cheap framegrabber, plugthe playstation into it

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GreyFoxx:

and then add a menu item to spawn xawtv orsome other TV app to use it

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GreyFoxx:

myth never needs to know about it

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GreyFoxx:

nolag,no worry about it being used for recording

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: okay, so modding menus is easy enough

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GreyFoxx:

just an xml file

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tjcarter:

Good, the 0.19 menus are pretty clunky ;)

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GreyFoxx:

I use the classic menus personally

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laga:

GreyFoxx: i think you can have a special menu entry for tv-watching applications that tells the backend the card is in use, right?

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tjcarter:

Classic was nice, but with all the plugins it's a little flat

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GreyFoxx:

laga: Yup

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hpauto:

what does mythfrontend use to recieve from an IR remote?

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infringer:

#

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infringer:

MythTV PVR-150 IR Blaster & Remote Control Issues...

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infringer:

#

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infringer:

P4 2.8ghz, Mandriva, 512mb DDR333, ECS L4VXA2 mobo, ATI Radeon, Silver Hauppauge! Remote w/PVR-150 Non-MCE

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xris:

hpauto: lirc, just like every other ir receiving app in linux

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laga:

hpauto: lirc

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tjcarter:

lirc setup could be a little smarter

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laga:

is there any reason why lirc is not in the kernel?

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tjcarter:

there's currently no autodetection or anything for hardware that provide a receiver plus eg, TV input ;)

[22:26:30]

laga:

yep, lirc can be a little bit annoying to configure

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tjcarter:

I couldn't get lirc_gpio to install

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tjcarter:

lirc_i2c does, but I am pretty sure this Sabrent card isn't using i2c for the remote

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tjcarter:

c'mon, it's $25 on Newegg, it's a CHEAP framegrabber.

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infringer:

http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24

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hpauto:

I don't understand though how the ir can work in some apps but not mythtv, what does mythtv do that's differant?

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laga:

hpauto: could you be more specific?

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laga:

because being more unspecific wouldn't be possible :)

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hpauto:

my ir works fine with mplayer, irw shows output

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infringer:

I can run irw and it doesnt recieve codes from my remote its quite odd

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infringer:

[root@localhost mythtv]# ls -l /dev/lirc*

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infringer:

crw-r--r-- 1 root root 61, 0 Jul 20 22:02 /dev/lirc

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infringer:

crw-rw---- 1 root root 61, 0 Jul 22 12:07 /dev/lirc0

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infringer:

srw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 22 17:32 /dev/lircd=

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infringer:

prw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 20 22:02 /dev/lircm|

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infringer:

[root@localhost mythtv]# modprobe lirc_dev && modprobe lirc_pvr150 debug=1

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infringer:

[root@localhost mythtv]# irw

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laga:

!trout infringer www.pastebin.ca

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** MythLogBot slaps infringer with a www.pastebin.ca trout on behalf of laga... **

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infringer:

it shows everything is installed and running

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infringer:

lol

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hpauto:

I don't have that lircm device

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hpauto:

do I need that?

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infringer:

errr not sure really to tell the truth

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xris:

laga: you should do the /msg version so it looks more random. :)

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laga:

xris: ah, thanks. didn't know that was possible. i was wondering if we should just disable the bot because !trout <nick> <something> is self-explanatory .)

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jams:

hpauto- if irw works then I would look at ~/.mythtv/lircrc and make sure the button names match up

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** MythLogBot slaps laga with a --help trout on behalf of xris... **

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laga:

hmpf :/

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xris:

:)

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hpauto:

they seem to, button = UP

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hpauto:

which is what I have in lircd.conf

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infringer:

hpauto I havent quite got my remote to function...

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hpauto:

it's tough

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infringer:

it wont even show codes in IRW

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infringer:

I've tried many days at this

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hpauto:

do you have the lirc devices in /dev/lirc* ?

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infringer:

my fifo buffer actually is stuck

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infringer:

errr not sure really it shows that I do when I run

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xris:

GreyFoxx: C is case sensitive, right?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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xris:

ok.

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infringer:

only thing not case sensitive is windows command line lol

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xris:

trying to figure out some ffmpeg code. looks like they're using a constant, but there's nowhere in the code that it's defined. only used.

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jams:

hpauto- did mythfrontend connect with lirc dameon. the lircd logs should show you if it did or not. Heck even the logs for mythfrontend would tell you

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hpauto:

hm, I don't seem to have a lirc log

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xris:

ahh, I see. I don't think I actually need the value (and looks like it's defined in xvid-devel

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infringer:

jams interesting you say that I notice Failed to read lirc config /root/.mythtv/lircrc for mythtv

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hpauto:

ok, I think I was missing a lirc library during compile

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tjcarter:

I'm very interested in getting this Snapstream remote working when it arrives maybe Monday

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tjcarter:

it doesn't have to arrive until Tuesday, but um, it's on its way to Englewood now =)

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xris:

tjcarter: rf remote?

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tjcarter:

yes

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tjcarter:

USB receiver

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xris:

it's ok. same core are the ati and x10 ones... I didn't like the layout on my x10 one very much.

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xris:

and key repeat can be finnicky

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xris:

range/response on my MCE remote is better

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jams:

mine sits on the shelf

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xris:

same here.

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jams:

couldn't stand the feel of the buttons

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Fnc:

xris: you get some good tomatoes?

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xris:

no, he was sold out

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xris:

got cherries, though

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Fnc:

speakin of remotes.. anyone know if someone's set up a pronto and has some good skins...

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Fnc:

awesome: been ages since ive had fresh cherries

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tjcarter:

jams: Snap remote?

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tjcarter:

jams: or MCE? =)

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jams:

both

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jams:

more so the snapstream remote

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tjcarter:

one of my projects is going to be collecting stuff temporarily to help with making lirc less annoying as fuck.

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tjcarter:

Other project might require some Myth hacking..

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infringer:

mythmodding

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infringer:

hrmmm wonder if theres any hackaday articales though on mythtv and pvr-150

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infringer:

www.hackaday.com

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tjcarter:

hmm, how hard would it be to get MythTV to do something when a menu item is highlighted?

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tjcarter:

I want to have another program know what you're seeing in the Myth UI

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** tjcarter wants to set up a screen reader for Myth =) **

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tjcarter:

If I come up with a working recipe for Myth and make it so the menus will talk, I know about ten people who want Myth boxes built for them

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tjcarter:

Making the program guide talk will be interesting.

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RandomDude16:

how

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RandomDude16:

do I switch

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RandomDude16:

from svideo

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RandomDude16:

to analog?

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RandomDude16:

in myth

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RandomDude16:

in watch tv

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RandomDude16:

?

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RandomDude16:

how?

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tjcarter:

RandomDude16: you

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tjcarter:

RandomDude16: need to

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tjcarter:

RandomDude16: shut down your backend, go into mythtv-setup, and define a ... nevermind

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xris:

um, svideo *is* analog

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