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Monday, July 17th, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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d3ity:

yep

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d3ity:

lirc anyone?

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d3ity:

alsoconfused, mishehu ?

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d3ity:

anyone good with mythtv and the troubleshooting of serial ports and the like?

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Josiah:

ok im using swiftandored.com/mythtvonsuse.htm to install mythtv

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Josiah:

in the directions it says enter Yast, click on Network Devices, go to icon for Network Card, add a wireless card (writes to /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-wlan0)

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Josiah:

i dont know where to enter the information for (Writes to ......

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test34:

d3ity, ask your question and see

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d3ity:

test34, my question is an oddysee into lirc and serial port operation

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test34:

d3ity, you wont get any help like that... just ask

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test34:

I just had trouble fixing my lirc after upgrading my kernel.... it turned out I needed the latest CVS

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d3ity:

I've plugged in my reciever, I've attempted everything.

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d3ity:

test34, care to walk me through the entire process? I've done everything and I think I just need to start fresh

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d3ity:

I'll tell you what i've got

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d3ity:

I've built a homebrew reciever, the simple type described on lirc.org

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d3ity:

I have attached a serial cable to this reciever

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Tom7e:

how do i delete the mythconverg database?

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d3ity:

installed a lirc package, setserialed and modprobed

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d3ity:

I have two serial ports, ttyS0 is what I have decided is the one i'm using

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d3ity:

i have also tried ttyS1

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d3ity:

but i can't tell the diffrence

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GreyFoxx:

Tom7e: login to mysql

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GreyFoxx:

and type

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GreyFoxx:

"delete database mythconverg;"

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d3ity:

I get nothing from the reciever whatsoever, no ammount of remote waving fixes it

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test34:

d3ity, do you get any error?

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d3ity:

so, test34, where do you suggest I begin

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Tom7e:

thanks

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Tom7e:

how do i list the databases?

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d3ity:

test34, no, no errors, just...no response from my reciever, in order to test the reciever, I followed alsoconfused's advice and tried shorting pins on the serial cable with a resistor to cause signals

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d3ity:

this also doesn't work

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test34:

d3ity, if you type: dmesg, do you see any errors? have you compiled lirc with debug information

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d3ity:

I tried installing serialmon and using that, that produces somewhat of a hardcore error

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GreyFoxx:

Tom7e: "show databases;"

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d3ity:

test34, I shall compile with debug and report back in a few seconds

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Tom7e:

GreyFoxx: when i try to delete it it says ERROR 1064. (which seems like an unrecognized command error), but the database does exist

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d3ity:

test34, I have set Software Generated Carrier, do I need this set for a simple reciever?

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d3ity:

there are no microcontrollers in my reciever. Just an IR reciever and a voltage regulator

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d3ity:

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test34:

d3ity, let me look I'm not sure.. I didnt make my receiver

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d3ity:

test34, alright

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GreyFoxx:

Tom7e: Show me the exact command you used

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GreyFoxx:

cause that;s just means your commandsyntax was incorrect;

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GreyFoxx:

ooh

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GreyFoxx:

sorry, use "drop database mythconverg;"

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GreyFoxx:

I told you to use delete, that was incorrect. It's "drop" in this case

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Tom7e:

ok, that seems to have worked, thanks

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Tom7e:

that database was the ire of all of my problems. now i can try again

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d3ity:

test34, i'm gonna leave it unselected, as I've tried repeatedly with it selected

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test34:

d3ity, try: 1. Home-brew (16x50 UART compatible serial port) 2. COM1 (0x3f8, 4) 3. With transmitter diode 4. Software generated carrier

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d3ity:

test34, I do not have a transmitter

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d3ity:

i have only a reciever

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Tom7e:

jesus this is impossible

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Tom7e:

now i got the database again and "access denied for mythtv @ localhost

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test34:

d3ity, see -> http://iguanaworks.net/ir/faq.shtml .. they say to select it.. and they use the same one as you I think

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d3ity:

test34, that reciever contains a transmitter, which mine does not

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Tom7e:

is mythtv @ localhost supposed to have all rights AND grants or usage and all rights?

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test34:

d3ity, ahh ok then... only select "Software generated carrier" then

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d3ity:

test34, software generated carrier, alright

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test34:

with debug

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Dagmar:

test34: That page is for the device IguanaWorks makes

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GreyFoxx:

Tom7e: normally the user is granted all permissions

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Dagmar:

...and you do have to modprobe the driver with softcarrier=1

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d3ity:

Dagmar, sweet, another lirc user

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Dagmar:

Tom7e: it needs free reign over the mythconverg table

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Dagmar:

d3ity: Well, sort of. I bought the iguanaworks transciever but I've only spent about 5 minutes testing it

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d3ity:

lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61

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d3ity:

lirc_serial: auto-detected active low receiver

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d3ity:

lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0

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d3ity:

thats from dmesg

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Dagmar:

d3ity: again, softcarrier=1

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d3ity:

so modprobe it thusly, ok

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Dagmar:

I stuck it in /etc/modules.conf

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d3ity:

ok

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d3ity:

now

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d3ity:

following the instructions

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test34:

modprobe lirc_serial softcarrier=1 ?

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d3ity:

yes

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d3ity:

mode2 gives nothing

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Dagmar:

Then you're apparently not using the same schematic as their driver

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d3ity:

lies

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d3ity:

my device recieves power

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d3ity:

ah, i forgot setserial

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Mersault:

A bunch of the channels in my program guide don't have data all of a sudden. They did earlier today, but now it just says 'Unknown (Unknown)'. I get my listings from datadirect, and my subscription hasn't expired. Anyone have any ideas on where to look?

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d3ity:

Mersault, check datadirect's website

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d3ity:

same thing happened to me

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Mersault:

Oh, and I just ran mythfilldatabase from the command line and there were no errors

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d3ity:

my "listing" got deleted

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Mersault:

my listing is still there

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d3ity:

ok, test34, mode2 gives nothing

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Dagmar:

Bugger. Did something weird that completely froze that screen

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d3ity:

Mersault, hrm, well, that was my problem

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d3ity:

Dagmar, mode2 still gives nothing

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Mersault:

d3ity: thanks, but all my channels are included in my listing on datadirect.

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Dagmar:

d3ity: Do you actually *have* the device fro IguanaWorks?

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d3ity:

Dagmar, no

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d3ity:

Dagmar, I thought we established that

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test34:

d3ity, is lircd running ? have you tried irw?

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d3ity:

test34, lircd is not running

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Dagmar:

d3ity: I wasn't looking at the window tehn

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Dagmar:

d3ity: here's a hint. modinfo lirc_serial

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d3ity:

ok, that gave me a list of settings

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d3ity:

lirc_serial: in init_timing_params, freq=38000, duty_cycle=50, clk/jiffy=21646144, pulse=28481, space=28482, conv_us_to_clocks=2164

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d3ity:

lirc_serial: auto-detected active low receiver

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d3ity:

lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0

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d3ity:

thats what appears in dmesg with debug turned on

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** tjcarter has mp4 files with mov extension.. Must they be renamed in order for Myth to see them, or can I get them working some other way? **

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test34:

lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0 -> is that normal ?

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d3ity:

test34, you tell me

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d3ity:

test34, and please suggest a method of changing it

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Dagmar:

If you Google you will find that the 0 doesn't mean much

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d3ity:

ok

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Mersault:

I've just checked mythweb's listings, and the guide info for about 10 of my channels is missing for a few hours this evening. Anyone else (especially in Toronto) experiencing this? Anyone have any ideas why?

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d3ity:

Dagmar, what should the next step be?

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Dagmar:

Checking to make sure you didn't assemble the thing backwards

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test34:

d3ity, try modprobe lirc_serial type=2 ?

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d3ity:

Dagmar, been there, done that

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d3ity:

type:Hardware type (0 = home-brew, 1 = IRdeo, 2 = IRdeo Remote, 3 = AnimaX, 4 = IgorPlug (int)

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d3ity:

nothing

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d3ity:

I'm gonna go try winlirc

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d3ity:

brb

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tjcarter:

ahh, I figured out how to do it

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tjcarter:

mp4 (and in fact other QuickTime formats) are working now =D

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RandomDude15:

hey how do I delete recording profile groups?

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d3ity:

i guess my reciever just doesn't work

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d3ity:

I give up

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Juski:

arghhh I don't fscking believe it! bastard random car mirror smashing dude has shown up again. this street needs a posse

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d3ity:

I don't know what could be wrong with it

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d3ity:

and I no longer care

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d3ity:

are there any other options for getting a remote control for mythtv?

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d3ity:

that would avoid lirc entireley

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GreyFoxx:

Get a universal learning remoteand train it to use a IR keyboards keycodes

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Juski:

heh I was gonna say that

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d3ity:

GreyFoxx, I thought of that, but that sounds like it costs money

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d3ity:

and I already am in debt enough

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GreyFoxx:

Well, obviously it wouldrequire a remote :)

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d3ity:

and an IR keyboared

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d3ity:

*keyboard

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GreyFoxx:

I do that on a couple of my frontends

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Juski:

what's up with lirc?

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GreyFoxx:

another uses an RF remote I modified a driver to support

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GreyFoxx:

do all of my remotes look like keyboards and I don't use lirc at all

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GreyFoxx:

s/do/so

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d3ity:

Juski, it hates the reciever I built

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d3ity:

and I spent hours and more money than I had to build it

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Juski:

serial port receiver?

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d3ity:

so I'm cutting my losses

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d3ity:

Juski, yeah

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Juski:

I've built a few of them. do you have a voltmeter?

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d3ity:

it gets power, it just won't pickup a damn thing

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d3ity:

Juski, yeah, multimeter is right in this room somewhere.

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d3ity:

Juski, but it's getting power, everything SHOULD work

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** GreyFoxx built 2 IR blasters, and 2 ir receivers with $15CDN of radioshack parts **

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RandomDude15:

anyone?

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d3ity:

GreyFoxx, I work at radioshack and bought all my components thusly

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Juski:

see if the output pulses when you zap it.. on an analogue meter the voltage should dip (if the meter is fast enough)... ona digital it should vary like hell

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d3ity:

GreyFoxx, can we take this to PM?

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GreyFoxx:

d3ity: no

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GreyFoxx:

I have enough screens to keep track of :)

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d3ity:

no problem, i was just trying to make it easier to keep track of our convo

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d3ity:

GreyFoxx, voltmeter in hand

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d3ity:

please help me out a little, what setting should it be on?

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: mentioned that, not me :)

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d3ity:

setting/scale

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Juski:

helps to have a helper.. unless you've got croc clips

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GreyFoxx:

I just used some instructions online and they all worked first try :)

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d3ity:

Juski, output, that'd be the Vcc correct?

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Juski:

d3ity: set it on a low DC voltage range

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Juski:

output != vcc. it's the other pin that isn't GND

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Juski:

vcc = power, not output ;-)

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Juski:

pin 3 of the receiver is the output

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Juski:

god I swear I'm gonna try & kill this guy if I ever meet him in person. 5 times he's smashed my car door mirrors off now. C***

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d3ity:

Juski, vcc is power?

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Juski:

jpegs saved for future reference.. again

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Juski:

d3ity: yep

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d3ity:

wow, oh, that makes some sense as to why this isn't working

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d3ity:

time to desolder some shit, think i damaged anything?

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Juski:

vcc should be the output of the voltage regulator

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Juski:

d3ity: prolly not

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d3ity:

k

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d3ity:

i'm just gonna swap the pins on the connector

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Juski:

d3ity: which diagram did you use? just so we're singing from the same hymn sheet...

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d3ity:

Juski, this one

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d3ity:

the one on the lirc website

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d3ity:

i'll link you in a sec

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Juski:

the one here? http://www.lirc.org/receivers.html

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d3ity:

http://www.lirc.org/images/schematics.gif

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d3ity:

yes same one

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d3ity:

so pin 7 should be voltage input

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Juski:

erm...

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Juski:

measure the voltage between pin 1 & pin 2 on the receiver chip

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d3ity:

ok

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Juski:

should be +5V, with the meter common connected to pin 1

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Juski:

(0v)

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d3ity:

question, my part is a radioshack part, so the pinout is diffrent, which ones should I connect (by name

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d3ity:

ground to vcc? or ground to output?

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Juski:

pin 3 should be +5v or higher

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Juski:

measure gnd to vcc

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Juski:

gnd to vcc should be 5 volts steady

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Juski:

d3ity: which part # ?

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d3ity:

ok, all of them give a constant value

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d3ity:

Juski, 260–0640

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Juski:

right... if you have croc clips, use em now.. if not try to get a helper

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Juski:

then measure ground to output with a remote zapping it... output should pulse.. i.e. be non-constant

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Dagmar:

Might not be so detectable with a cheap digital meter

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Dagmar:

Long sample rates suck

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Juski:

I think you'd still see some variance, by the law of averages

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Juski:

at work we've been sourcing some IR receiver module thingies that come out onto 2.5mm stereo jackplugs.. they're totally neat

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d3ity:

hrm

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d3ity:

Juski, should try to incorporate those into something

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Juski:

d3ity: been looking for a consumer-friendly outlet for them

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d3ity:

Juski, well, I work at radioshack

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Juski:

so.. what does the output look like anyway?

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Juski:

when you zap the receiver with remote signals...?

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d3ity:

Juski, now, since I switched things up

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d3ity:

when i hit the reciever, the power on both pins drops

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d3ity:

ground stays ground of course

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d3ity:

is this good?

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Juski:

vcc changes too?

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Juski:

only the output should change, not vcc

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Juski:

there might concievably be a little bit of drop when the receiver chip is active but it wouldn't be much.

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d3ity:

right, let me see this again

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Juski:

jees I'd better go back to bed. I have to find my duct tape in the morning to fix my fscking mirror back on before going to work

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d3ity:

ok, so, now that might work

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EinsteinTaylor:

evening all

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d3ity:

wow

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d3ity:

I owe Juski a HUGE thank you

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d3ity:

my reciever now works

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EinsteinTaylor:

i have the weirdest problem i've ever seen...if i'm running my system with alsa tv audio works fine but mplayer audio doesnt...if i recompile with oss then mplayer audio works but tv dosnt

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gmoore:

about to try setting up mythtv for the first time... using Ubuntu. should i install from the debian repos, or download the .tar.bz2 from the download pageand go from there?

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EinsteinTaylor:

i've tried changing the mplayer config and stuff...any ideas???

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: how good are you with linux?

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gmoore:

EinsteinTaylor: decent, know how to set up and configure things, been using it for a few months. also not an expert

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: you'll get better results from source

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EinsteinTaylor:

but it can be tougher...more reading

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EinsteinTaylor:

with ubuntu you'll probably want to have a pretty beefy system...lots of overhead in ubuntu

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gmoore:

er why is that

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: several reasons...ubuntu is only optomized for i386...maybe i586 so that hurts...gnome has a lot of overhead built in, and ubuntu starts every possible background service

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gmoore:

using ubuntu server install

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EinsteinTaylor:

i built mine on gentoo using evilWM as the desktop and running an AMD 2500 with 512MB ram everything is ducky

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: havent used the server install, just going off of one of the PC's I run, but you're still gonna have several of those issues

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gmoore:

well what would you recommend instead? amd 2800+, 512mb ram, voodoo3, msi tvtuner card, nforce2 mobo. i'm using this system primarily as a linux development box (c/c++), web server (RoR, perl, php), db server, and MAYBE for pvr if i get it working smoothly and reliably

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[Ex0r]:

anyone here have a repo for ubuntu that has the mythtv-0.19 build ? I had it, but I re-install ubuntu and forgot to record it

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gmoore:

also its brand new so i'm basically running a clean install of ubuntu; i'll gladly reinstall a new os if i think ill have more luck with it, since i haven't really done anything to this one yet

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: i would say give it a whirl running ubuntu first since it's already running, find what you like and dont like, then the distro-wars can start

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gmoore:

haha alrigh

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: my first recommend would be though to go in and disable any bootup services you dont need

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gmoore:

also like you said it is a fairly beefy system so it should be ok

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gmoore:

i can throw in another 512mb of ram for about $30 (used memory). would it be worth it?

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EinsteinTaylor:

memore is ALWAYS worth it

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EinsteinTaylor:

what kind of TV tuner do you have?

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gmoore:

MSI tv@nywhere (cheapo, software decoding)

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gmoore:

ive got it working in kdetv and xawtv so i think itll go over fine in myth

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EinsteinTaylor:

i picked up a Hauppage PVR-150 for about $100...well worth it...it has an onboard mpeg2 encoder so it doesnt have to offload the workload to your CPU

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gmoore:

i paid $60 for the cpu+motherboard in this system and threw the rest together from spare parts i had lying around. i don't want to spend twice as much as the whole system cost on a tv tuner ;)

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GreyFoxx:

gmoore: Don't expect spectacular TV out fromthe voodoo3. It's ok enough, but compaired to the cheapest nvidia card out there it's not evne close

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Fnc:

any tips on getting my audio and video to sync up?

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EinsteinTaylor:

Fnc: you using the connection cable between the two cards?

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Dagmar:

qmoore: Then expect it to suck

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gmoore:

GreyFoxx: it doesn't even have tvout, it's an original pci voodoo3 3000. at this point im just screwing with mythtv and considering, if it works well enough, setting up an HTPC which would be silent and sit by the TV providing tv-out, receiving the data from the mythtv box

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Dagmar:

...and be pleasantly suprised if it doesn't just catch fire.

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Fnc:

EinsteinTaylor: its audio over pci

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Fnc:

on a recorded show

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GreyFoxx:

gmoore: ahhh

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: mythtv is welllllll worth it

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EinsteinTaylor:

ive run both MCE and myth and myth wins hand s down

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Dagmar:

Oh. I see.

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gmoore:

EinsteinTaylor: yeah. right now i rely on XBMC (xbox media center) and it's awesome for things i've downloaded, but i sometimes wish i could bag live content / sports events etc

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Dagmar:

You're assembling a system designed to suck as a means of deciding if it doesn't suck

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gmoore:

Dagmar: i assembled a system designed to run as a web, database, and development (cvs+svn) server and now i'm deciding if it sucks at PVR or not

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EinsteinTaylor:

Fnc: im looking right now

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gmoore:

regardless of pvr suckage it will succeed at its primary task

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Dagmar:

With the voodoo card doing output, and a non-accellerated tuner, it will suck

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Dagmar:

It will suck both coming and going.

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Dagmar:

Lemme guess, it's got an <600Mhz CPU in it, too

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EinsteinTaylor:

Dagmar: he doesnt need a hard time...he knows to not expect great quality...lets just help him get it up, from there he can see what he needs and doesnt need

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gmoore:

Dagmar: can you read, you troll? i said 2800+ axp with 512mb ram

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Dagmar:

I can read. Just don't expect me to scroll up

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Dagmar:

Not a bad deal for $60

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EinsteinTaylor:

Fnc: i'm seeing some stuff about having the "xv" module enabled

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EinsteinTaylor:

still googling

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gmoore:

Dagmar: i'm just trying mythtv out to see if i like it or not. if i like the interface, controls, and functionality and my tv quality is trash and it's unbearably choppy, i'm intelligent enough to realize it's a limitation of my hardware, and should i like mythtv, i'll improve the hardware

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gmoore:

but if i don't like mythtv, then i'll still have a good development system for $60. so there :P

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Dagmar:

gmoore: Ah, then you'll probably want to poke at the themes a bit

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Dagmar:

..and try not to take the configuration menus personally.

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Dagmar:

They're nasty.

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: also...the remote control setup can be a b**ch

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EinsteinTaylor:

if you have a remote

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EinsteinTaylor:

Fnc: have a link to send you if you take the dcc

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Fnc:

ok

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EinsteinTaylor:

screw it..i'll just post it here

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EinsteinTaylor:

http://forums.pcpitstop.com/index.php?showtopic=120873

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EinsteinTaylor:

looks like they may be on the track of what ur lookin for

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Fnc:

thx

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gmoore:

EinsteinTaylor: i have a very crappy remote which came with my tvtuner (i actually got the tvtuner for free with the cpu/mobo, heh)

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: it will work...start by googling for lircd.conf for your model..if not you'll have to record your own

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gmoore:

hehe it only has about a dozen buttons anyways, wouldn't be too hard ;)

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EinsteinTaylor:

if you decide you like this then I would really reccomment one of the Hauppauge cards on top of a gentoo install

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gmoore:

http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/imageview.php?image=10144 the one on the right :P

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EinsteinTaylor:

i have the one on the left from several years ago

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gmoore:

i'll keep that in mind. a friend of mine uses gentoo exclusively so i can always get his help on getting it up and running should i try that

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EinsteinTaylor:

gentoo is really all i use...

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EinsteinTaylor:

i have one ubuntu box just for grins but especially for myth...it's hard to beat it

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gmoore:

only thing i don't like is having to compile everything, from what i understand

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: no doubt..it took me about 3 days...but it is SOOOO worth it...

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EinsteinTaylor:

i can transcode at high quality, run agressive commercial flagging and several other background jobs with no jitters

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gmoore:

neat

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EinsteinTaylor:

now if I could just fix this problem with mythvideo

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[Ex0r]:

unbuntu is pretty much at the point now where alot of the stuff is on repo

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[Ex0r]:

it may be a version behind or a subversion behind, but it's there non-the less

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EinsteinTaylor:

anyone had problems with mythplayer no audio using alsa?

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gmoore:

ls

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EinsteinTaylor:

never mind...got it working

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gmoore:

son of a.... two keyboards on the same table sucks. i inevitably use the wrong one constantly :(

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: lol..i always alt-tab to the wrong window

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EinsteinTaylor:

vim commands everywhere

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gmoore:

yeah i do the same, now imagine having 2 identical keyboards one in front of the other ;/

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EinsteinTaylor:

one word...KVM

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gmoore:

nahhh

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mishehu:

any of you guys know what the requirements are for the dvd playback from mythtv (not the plugins) ?

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EinsteinTaylor:

mishehu: i believe you either have to use xine or ogle as your backend software

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EinsteinTaylor:

other than that, and mythdvd i think thats about it

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EinsteinTaylor:

any specific ?'s?

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GreyFoxx:

mishehu: Or you can use the internal player to play DVD's. Butitonly supports dvd menus in svn

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EinsteinTaylor:

i dont think xine supports menu's either so you might consider ogle

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GreyFoxx:

yes xine does

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GreyFoxx:

mplayer however doesn't

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EinsteinTaylor:

hrmm...havent used it in a while...been usin ogle for years

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EinsteinTaylor:

must be out of date...my bad

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GreyFoxx:

most use xine instead of mplayer b ecause of the dvd menu support :)

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EinsteinTaylor:

what i need is a script that will allow me to click on .iso's and .bins, auto mount and launch the movie...that would be awesome

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GreyFoxx:

I believe the internal player with also play ISO's

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GreyFoxx:

but that's jsut from watching others talk. It's not something I've tried myself

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EinsteinTaylor:

that would make me very happy

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EinsteinTaylor:

i have a couple hundred DVD iso's

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: SVN will

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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EinsteinTaylor:

Fnc: any luck yet?

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** GreyFoxx is looking at the windows-port branch **

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Anduin:

EinsteinTaylor: Mane people config mythvideo to play their .iso files as well.

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GreyFoxx:

fun fun

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mishehu:

GreyFoxx: ah, good to know, since I'm not running svn I'll wait until next release.

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EinsteinTaylor:

Anduin: will it auto mount them, or will i need to make a wrapper to do that?

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Anduin:

EinsteinTaylor: You can configure mythdvd to launch a player when it detects a DVD is inserted, if you actually burned a .iso to a disc as a file, it won't be automatic.

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EinsteinTaylor:

these are just .iso files that live on hard drives across my network...i'm able to mount them as say /mnt/dvd and have them play fine

[03:02:22]

EinsteinTaylor:

just wondering if someone had made a shortcut yet

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Anduin:

EinsteinTaylor: No mounting necessary, just point mythvideo at it and make sure you send the right params to the player.

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EinsteinTaylor:

hrmm...thanks for the tip..i'll try it out later

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EinsteinTaylor:

my roomie and I have over 1TB in our apt and the goal is to have myth manage all of the multimedia content

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Speedy2:

EinsteinTaylor: Do you watch those ISOs a lot? If you've seen a movie, is it really worth keeping it around?

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gmoore:

i'm having a problem with trying to compile mythtv. i'm following this: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html and using Christian Marillat's packages for debian, but apt-get update fails, several unfound files.

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EinsteinTaylor:

Speedy2: we do quite a bit of sharing with friends/family, etc and with all the space...it's worth keeping

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: do you have all the apt sources that u need? universe, multivers, etc?

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gmoore:

EinsteinTaylor: not sure... don't i just need his two? the not found errors are related to his repos

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: i havent done myth on ubuntu so i'm just goind with some of the common issues

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gmoore:

ok ill try out gentoo then. should i be getting the 44mb x86 isntall cd?

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: that sounds a little small

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: the one i have is 696MB

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sapbeast:

you can use the minimal disc fine

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sapbeast:

the larger one is if you dont want to compile a few things to make a working computer

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gmoore:

http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml — i only see a cd for x86 under minimal

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: ahh...tahts the net install

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gmoore:

sapbeast: i'd prefer the larger one, but i'm not seeing one

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sapbeast:

and realy, if i hear one more person say "well youll spend 3 days compiling in gentoo" ill punch them in the face

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: that will work you just have to download the majority of the stuff

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EinsteinTaylor:

sapbest: gentoo only takes me a couple hours to get installed..its the rest of the crap that takes forever

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sapbeast:

thats what im saying, you dont need that much time to make a working base setup

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gmoore:

EinsteinTaylor: i'd rather download a 700mb cd through bittorrent at 800kb/s than from a repo at 200

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sapbeast:

alot of people claim otherwise though, they think that stage 1 installs still exist

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sapbeast:

because if you did do this (and it was pointless doing so) you could spend days setting up a base system

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: use the georgia tech mirror if you can

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EinsteinTaylor:

it's smoking

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sapbeast:

yeah i use UF

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gmoore:

well, for x86, what do i want to get from http://torrents.gentoo.org/ ?

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sapbeast:

there is someone who still maintains a stage 1 install but apparently he never read http://funroll-loops.org/

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EinsteinTaylor:

the minimial install will be fine as long as you have a descent net connection

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gmoore:

would you recommend gentoo as a distro for doing development on, running apache, mysql, and other assorted crap on?

[03:19:09]

sapbeast:

to put it in more visible terms http://pastebin.ca/89880

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sapbeast:

i just put together this new amd64 and thats all it had to compile before first reboot

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gmoore:

gentoo may not be such a hot idea for me. looking at that list makes me pretty confused

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sapbeast:

gmoore: it depends, its certainly easier to stay up to date with the latest compilers

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sapbeast:

but like i said above with that http://funroll-loops.org/ trying to do bleeding edge and going crazy with cflags is for the brain damaged

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: i dont think you'll have any problem doing dev on gentoo

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sapbeast:

basically using -march=your.cpu.here covers 99% of optimization youll need for whatever processor

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EinsteinTaylor:

sapbeast: thank you...i love hearing someone else say that

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sapbeast:

well yeah im just ranting because im personally sick of seing people ask about -O3 and funroll loops

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sapbeast:

really even in the best case scenario you would gain maybe 5% speed and 100% unstability from doing that

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EinsteinTaylor:

i use -O2, march, and pipe, and only because they come in the example make.conf :)

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sapbeast:

exact same thing here... -O2 march=athlon-xp (or athlon64 on the other one) -pipe -omit-frame-pointer

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sapbeast:

and thats it

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sapbeast:

despite being "safe and minimal" cflags i hardly notice that its "slow"

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EinsteinTaylor:

i love this site...it's hillarious!

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sapbeast:

yeah i like the --omg-optimized one

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EinsteinTaylor:

the sad part is i know i've said at least half of this crap...i just dont get all wild with my flags

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sapbeast:

my only guess is that people still persue it because they want to get more out of the hardware they have

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EinsteinTaylor:

i like having the minimilist only the software i want approach without the bloat..thats my biggest draw

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sapbeast:

with modern equipment there is really no need to do turbo optimizations... my primary linux machine (which is mythtv) is an o/c sempron socket a from 2400+ to 3200+, and its still pretty damn fast

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sapbeast:

and i got this new machine i built yesterday is "just" an athlon 64 3200+ running 64-bit gentoo... even so its still even faster

[03:27:23]

sapbeast:

hardware makes a big difference :p

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sapbeast:

EinsteinTaylor: I have a junk laptop at work and I use -Os on it because it doesnt have much disk space (pentium 3 laptop) and thats the only thing i really mess with

[03:28:15]

EinsteinTaylor:

especially disk IO...my /boot and a few other partitions run on SCSI...my /mnt/store is SATA Raid...

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gmoore:

well i wouldn't mind trying gentoo but my only experience is a small amount of solaris and using ubuntu but not for anything serious. i've set up apache, installed php, mysql, RoR, cvs, svn, done development using both, etc. that's about it though. will my head explode if i try to use gentoo

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EinsteinTaylor:

disk I/O makes a huge diff

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sapbeast:

yeah my new raid materials should arrive tomorrow

[03:28:37]

EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: only the first 3 or 4 times through :)

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sapbeast:

cant wait... thats why i put together this new bos

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: it can be a litle overwhelming, but with the documentation, and I dont mind chatting with you, you should be able to make it through

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sapbeast:

yeah gentoo is a steep learning curve but once you get used to it youll never wanna use anything else

[03:29:27]

sapbeast:

and i will say that it is a mound of information you have to learn, its definitely an os for those who have the time to play with it and patience

[03:29:33]

sapbeast:

but you get alot of satisfaction out of it

[03:29:45]

gmoore:

i don't exactly have a lot of free time ;/

[03:30:22]

sapbeast:

yeah it does take some time, even if you use binary packages to save cpu time on compiling stuff (yeah you dont have to compile anything if you dont want to, big gentoo myth #18325 is there there is no such thing)

[03:30:53]

EinsteinTaylor:

the base, and myth took me about 3 evenings to do after work...i could have saved a lot of time if i had known more and didnt have to trial and error a lot of crap

[03:31:22]

sapbeast:

the longest i ever spent setting one up was the slow piece of junk at work because i had spare time and wanted to see if i could make the thing work

[03:31:37]

gmoore:

i think i might just repeatedly install it in vmware until i get the hang of it since my windows desktop is a monster compared to my linux box... i might be able to figure it out a bit faster

[03:31:40]

sapbeast:

if you want to see a slow linux computer this was it... even though its dual pentium pro 200mhz it took forever to do anything

[03:31:44]

EinsteinTaylor:

the base install only takes a couple hours...i had hell with sound and remote on myth though

[03:31:52]

EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: not a bad idea

[03:32:01]

gmoore:

EinsteinTaylor: nforce2 board in the linux box, good/bad for sound?

[03:32:02]

sapbeast:

actually yeah thats actually a great idea

[03:32:12]

sapbeast:

vmware server is now free as in beer

[03:32:15]

EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: alsa has great support for the nforce2 chipset

[03:32:22]

gmoore:

k

[03:32:26]

sapbeast:

nforce2 board warning: clock skew is HORRIBLE

[03:32:41]

EinsteinTaylor:

i use a cheapy sound blaster live card, but have used nforce2 before without hickup

[03:33:11]

sapbeast:

16 Jul 23:18:09 ntpd[4205]: time reset -2.846696 s

[03:33:17]

sapbeast:

i see hundereds of those in my ntpd

[03:33:20]

sapbeast:

yeah it really is that bad

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sapbeast:

(and thats per day)

[03:33:41]

EinsteinTaylor:

sapbeast: is ur bios battery going dead maybe?

[03:33:58]

sapbeast:

no from what i read its a known issue with nforce 2 chipset

[03:34:09]

sapbeast:

the clock usually runs way to fast

[03:34:18]

EinsteinTaylor:

as long as your running NTP it should be too big of a problem

[03:34:32]

sapbeast:

its not, but before i learned about ntp my machine would be off by a day or more

[03:34:35]

sapbeast:

after a few weeks

[03:34:42]

EinsteinTaylor:

i mean for myth you really need ntp anyways

[03:34:43]

sapbeast:

obviously for mythtv that would be disastrous too

[03:35:18]

EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: one other thing you might try...have you seen knopmyth yet?

[03:35:21]

gmoore:

compiling 0.19 from source now on ubuntu machine... firing up vmware workstation to try gentoo minimal cd

[03:35:50]

gmoore:

512mb of ram enough for gentoo or give it 1gb?

[03:35:53]

sapbeast:

yeah vmware server is now free so you can test linux very easily

[03:35:54]

EinsteinTaylor:

it's probably a little behind version wise, but it's a livecd that will let you see if you like it, the interface, etc...

[03:36:01]

gmoore:

sapbeast: i have workstation 5.5

[03:36:03]

sapbeast:

and not screw anything up

[03:36:06]

sapbeast:

that works too

[03:36:35]

EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: 512 should be plenty

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sapbeast:

the hardest part really of gentoo is you probably will need to learn how to compile the kernel and realize what you need to enable or not

[03:37:09]

EinsteinTaylor:

lspci is your friend

[03:37:12]

gmoore:

vmware core dump. ooooh pussyfeathers >:(

[03:37:26]

EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: id go download knoppmyth real quick

[03:37:30]

EinsteinTaylor:

see if all this is even worth your time

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sapbeast:

EinsteinTaylor: yeah tomorrow if UPS doesnt cockup the delivery i should have 4x400gb drives for a 1.2tb raid-5

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sapbeast:

then ill be sitting pretty

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EinsteinTaylor:

sapbeast: that was expensive

[03:38:19]

sapbeast:

believe it or not... no

[03:38:26]

gmoore:

EinsteinTaylor: well i dont mind compiling it really. except, make on 0.19 just exploded. /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt

[03:38:28]

sapbeast:

guess how much i spent

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: sounds like you dont have QT installed

[03:39:04]

gmoore:

i thought i had Qt3

[03:39:09]

EinsteinTaylor:

is it in ur path?

[03:39:20]

EinsteinTaylor:

theres a qmake that myth has to have

[03:39:26]

gmoore:

i want qt3-dev-tools etc right?

[03:39:29]

gmoore:

yeah i have qmake

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Fnc:

cant seem to get the audio synced

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EinsteinTaylor:

qt-mt appears to be a lib that for me lives under /usr/qt/3/lib.....

[03:40:30]

EinsteinTaylor:

might make sure it's all in ur path

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gmoore:

alright. gentoo update: uh. okay, gentoo minimal install cd finished. now i'm sitting at a fullscreen terminal as root. oh god, what's happening :(

[03:40:47]

EinsteinTaylor:

lol...

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EinsteinTaylor:

now you gotta partition the disk

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gmoore:

oh god it doesn't help me do it?

[03:41:09]

EinsteinTaylor:

nope

[03:41:12]

gmoore:

this is going to be a disaster

[03:41:16]

EinsteinTaylor:

pull up the install docs at gentoo.org

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GreyFoxx:

gmoore: What's happenning is that you are learning to use the computer ;)

[03:41:22]

EinsteinTaylor:

it'll hold your hands right through it all

[03:41:43]

gmoore:

gentoo handbook?

[03:42:21]

EinsteinTaylor:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml

[03:42:31]

EinsteinTaylor:

start there or else you'll pull your hair out

[03:45:25]

gmoore:

up to preparing the disks already (not much to do other than that since its vmware and i dont have any specific device needs)

[03:46:22]

EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: just stay patient...and u'll be amazed how much you learn about how linux actually works

[03:46:33]

EinsteinTaylor:

even if you hate gentoo you'll understand GNU/Linux waaaaayyy better

[03:50:08]

EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: does the guide at least help at all?

[03:51:14]

gmoore:

yeah. reading it now and also tending to my ubuntu system which is compiling mythtv and keeps hitting libraries i forgot to install, and stopping ;P

[03:52:34]

gmoore:

the documentation is excellent for gentoo

[03:52:52]

EinsteinTaylor:

it's a great install guide...the other thing ur gonna love is gentoo-wiki

[03:53:13]

EinsteinTaylor:

for example...peep this page: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV

[03:53:22]

EinsteinTaylor:

it's running kinda slow tonight, but worth the wait

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EinsteinTaylor:

gmoore: if you want send me a private message and i'll give you my IM so you can ask more ?'s

[03:57:17]

EinsteinTaylor:

i'm not sure i'm gonna stay here much logner tonight

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gmoore:

EinsteinTaylor: Pmed you but got no response. i only have msn messenger; any chance you use that?

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gmoore:

oops.

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sapbeast:

is the gentoo wiki page down for anyone else?

[04:18:09]

GreyFoxx:

What's the URL ?

[04:18:33]

sapbeast:

...

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sapbeast:

http://www.gentoo-wiki.com/

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GreyFoxx:

It's answer, just real dog slow

[04:20:34]

sapbeast:

not working here :(

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** Captain_Murdoch debates saying something about it being slow because they're recompiling with the latest optimization strings. ;) **

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GreyFoxx:

heheh

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Captain_Murdoch:

got a connection here but it still hasn't drawn a page.

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GreyFoxx:

I got the start of thepage, but it didn't complete before finally timing out

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gmoore:

i got mythtv to compile and im running mythtv-setup but whenever i hit finish on database setup, the setup program seems to crash. my console says "couldn't connect to database"

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gmoore:

if i try msql -umythtv -p and try manually i can connect fine

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metalac:

hey can anyone tell me what their /etc/X11/XvMCConfig file contains?

[05:03:10]

metalac:

or is it a link to something else?

[05:03:11]

metalac:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

I don't have any such file

[05:03:46]

sha_:

how can i remove specifically movie-entrys from the mythvideo-db?

[05:04:12]

metalac:

GreyFoxx: apparently it's necessary to get XvMC working

[05:04:34]

GreyFoxx:

metalac: Not unless your parituclar driver requires it

[05:04:54]

GreyFoxx:

cause I've never heard ofit before in many years of being in here and on the -users/-dev lists :)

[05:05:05]

GreyFoxx:

so it can;t be that critical for most people :)

[05:05:27]

metalac:

it's weird cuz frontend complains about it

[05:06:21]

GreyFoxx:

Mythfrontend specifically mentions it or is the libXvMC library the one spitting something out ?

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: sure it's important if you want xvmc wrapper to work

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GreyFoxx:

googling for it old files in mentioned with the via xvmc stuff

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metalac:

GreyFoxx: frontend says can't find /etc/X11/XvMCConfig

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metalac:

verbatum

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GreyFoxx:

mchou: Seriously I find it interesting that I';ve never heard of it before now

[05:07:55]

mchou:

metalac: you need to create it. and add the appropriate lib in it for our card

[05:08:15]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: that's probably because you dont use xvmc

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metalac:

mchou: so i got nvidia card, and there is nvidia xvmc lib and a general one

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GreyFoxx:

mchou: I have turned it on in the past several times

[05:08:39]

GreyFoxx:

but not currently

[05:08:39]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: those of us in HD land need it badly :)

[05:09:00]

GreyFoxx:

I haven't turned it on since 0.17 or 0.18.x

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metalac:

with both of them i get some errors

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GreyFoxx:

other than some eneric tests on the msntv

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mchou:

metalac: libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1

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mchou:

metalac: that's the only line it should contain for nvidia

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GreyFoxx:

If you use that to as a wrapper to load the specific library for your driver, why does ./configure also bother detecting them as well ?

[05:10:26]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: ./configure only detects presence of wrapper lib :)

[05:10:38]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: not the actual lib

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: for xvmc that is

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GreyFoxx:

uhhhh, then what you do call this ? XvMC libs -lXvMCNVIDIA

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GreyFoxx:

XvMC libs -lXvMCNVIDIA

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GreyFoxx:

That's output from the configure script

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GreyFoxx:

it also looks for the via and intel xvmc libraries

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: that's if you want to link directly to the Nvidia xvmc (w/o) using wrapper), I think

[05:12:31]

GreyFoxx:

hence, why I havenever heard of it then

[05:12:47]

GreyFoxx:

if myth has just been lookin for and linkin it in without myhaving to do anything :)

[05:12:48]

metalac:

ok so it seems that XvMC works now since i get gray scale

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metalac:

OSD

[05:12:56]

metalac:

but i get hardcore stutering

[05:13:00]

metalac:

and 80–90% cpu usage

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mchou:

metalac: that's "normal"

[05:13:13]

mchou:

:)

[05:13:18]

metalac:

ahaahaha

[05:13:25]

metalac:

bunch of OSD lock errors

[05:13:33]

metalac:

seems that people with my hardware get sub 40%

[05:13:43]

metalac:

and perfect HD at 1080i

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mchou:

metalac: they do if they are using the right version of myth :)

[05:14:10]

mchou:

metalac: and the right nvidia library :)

[05:14:15]

metalac:

oh damn

[05:14:22]

metalac:

now i have to mess with that mess too

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mchou:

metalac: welcome to the world of "open" SW :)

[05:14:51]

metalac:

AHAHAHA

[05:15:51]

metalac:

will more ram help anything in HD?

[05:15:58]

mchou:

nope

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mchou:

more CPU is the correct answer :)

[05:16:39]

metalac:

yeah i figure

[05:16:39]

metalac:

d

[05:16:56]

metalac:

have plenty of ram laying around no CPUs :)

[05:17:04]

metalac:

so wanted to see if there might be a good boost from ram

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mchou:

metalac: heh, wait 2 wks, that will change :)

[05:17:26]

metalac:

what do you mean?

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mchou:

metalac: everybody is salivating at the price drops from AMD :)

[05:17:52]

metalac:

oh yeah :)

[05:18:40]

metalac:

i wonder how conroe's 2 will fare with HD

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metalac:

seems like they should be just fine

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mchou:

metalac: I doubt cores would be any better than 1 for video

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mchou:

2*

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sha_:

hmm...

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mchou:

video decode isn't multithreaded

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metalac:

but i bet it could be

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metalac:

i mean bunch of video software out there is multithreaded

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mchou:

metalac: like what?

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metalac:

hey i get this errof about missing "GLX" extension

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sha_:

i've got duplicates with different encodings/charset in the mythvideo-module and some zombies..mythvideo doesn't delete them

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metalac:

will that mess with HD?

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metalac:

mchou: like Final Cut Pro and such, and it encodes/decodes

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sha_:

when i take a look at the mysql-db all is fine..weird

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mchou:

metalac: final cut pro DECODE afaik is single threaded

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mchou:

metalac: ENCODE might be MT

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mchou:

metalac: or more properly "rendering" :)

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metalac:

mchou: ooMPEG is a reentrant multi-threaded MPEG decoder written in C++. ooMPEG is based on the MPEG Library, a wrapper written around the Berkeley MPEG decoder. The original was written in C by Greg Ward at McGill, and could only play a single MPEG movie in a single thread.

[05:24:03]

metalac:

and so is FFmpeg

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mchou:

metalac: lol

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mchou:

metalac: thate just proves my point

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metalac:

how?

[05:25:22]

mchou:

"Multi-threaded decoding (one thread displaying one or more movies, and one thread to decode each movie)"

[05:25:37]

mchou:

from http://tux.cs.brown.edu/software/ooMPEG/

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mchou:

metalac: that's hardly "MT"

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mchou:

metalac: you generally watch 2 tv shows at once w/ myth?? :)

[05:26:56]

metalac:

heheeh

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metalac:

well i guess the only hope then is to get some sweet video cards that support a lot of formats

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fangorious:

I just installed 0.18 as packaged by ubuntu, and am trying to run mythfilldatabase, and am seeing this "QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query" repeatedly

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fangorious:

actually much more than that, but I don't want to be chastised for pasting a big chunk of text

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fangorious:

says there's in error in the SQL syntax

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sha_:

please, update to 0.19 and come again

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fangorious:

ok, upgraded to .19, db error is gone :) but the video is ~5 seconds behind the audio

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fangorious:

i pretty much took the defaults all the way thru. actually, it's more like a pre-echo than a delay. as the audio is replayed at a lower volume in sync with the video

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fangorious:

my tuner card is a crappy old analog bt878 hauppauge wintv pci, cpu is a 1.2 ghz k7

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fangorious:

not sure what audio path is

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fangorious:

ah, there's an 1/8" cable from the tuner card to the line-in on my sblive, then it goes to the speakers

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fangorious:

hm, and the audio doesn't shut off when I quit mythfrontend!

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fangorious:

then there's no tv audio. don't have anything else to test with (hw)

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fangorious:

it's in sync using plain old tvtime

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fangorious:

i'll retry without the audio cable

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fangorious:

yep, no audio without the out/in cable from tuner to sblive

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fangorious:

looking on the wiki

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fangorious:

thanks!

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Juski:

morning all.

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Juski:

I noticed something strange happen last night.. I decided to check if a show I'd scheduled to record was actually recording, and found it wasn't. So I tried to view upcoming recordings – the normally full list didn't show anything at all!! However, I went to the programme guide to re-schedule the recording (for a later showing) and after that, all the upcoming recordings were magically back in place! WTH? Anyone else e

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Juski:

btw no the HDD is not full, and yes mysql was still running just fine (I could see the recordings I'd already made)... oh and erm... the recording which had previously failed to start, started recording half way into the show (right after I'd scheduled the repeat to record instead, infact)

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joffray:

it's a program guide, not a programme guide

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joffray:

silly brits

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Juski:

stupid americans/rest of world :-P

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Juski:

weird problem though eh?

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joffray:

with a log of the backend I can

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joffray:

I can't even speculate what it might've been

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joffray:

sometimes my mythbox freaks out about conflicts about shows that it shouldn't

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joffray:

like back to back shows where 1 of them is set to begin 1 minute early or something

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Juski:

nothing like that – nothing in the log about it at all

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joffray:

well good luck, it's almost 2 am here

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Juski:

maybe it's just 'one of those things'... it's recording everything properly again now. The only thing of note is that I was trying to access mythweather though mythweb (unsuccessfully) last night

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Juski:

that was the last thing I'd done before I noticed the recording wasn't happening.. although my frontend was (I think) left on the 'watch recordings' menu most of the day

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Juski:

hmmm. just ran mysqlcheck on mythconverg...

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Juski:

2 clients are using or haven't closed the table properly ... what can I do about that?

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joffray:

restart mysql

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Juski:

prolly not a wise thing to do when a recording is in progress. I'll wait a bit

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Juski:

ah to hell with that.. cancelling the recording

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Juski:

right.. all avenues explored.. must've just been one of those things... time to go to work

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qu0zl:

anybody notice that the OSD fading out effect murders their mythtv box? Admittedly I only have a 1.3ghz via

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qu0zl:

it means that every channel change has a freeze up afterwards as the osd fades out. I don't remember that happening in .18.1, is the fade new eye-candy?

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qu0zl:

i'm going to have a look for it in the source to disable it, anybody able to give me a string to grep for?

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qu0zl:

ahah. Fading or not is turned on in osd.cpp based on the theme xml file. Cool, so i can just turn it off in xml. Handy

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Juski:

afternoon

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Hoxzer:

afterit

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sapbeast:

man it must be too early for most people

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Hoxzer:

:(

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sapbeast:

yay 8:30am and already 90 degrees outside

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sapbeast:

good game

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ZiderLKPG:

F i suppose?

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sapbeast:

yeah it would be safe to assume that, because otherwise my car would be like melting

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sapbeast:

and so would everyone outside

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ZiderLKPG:

;)

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sapbeast:

i still stuck at giving temps in c unless the computer tells me so

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ZiderLKPG:

get with the program, get metric ;)

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sapbeast:

just dont say that too loudly in this country

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sapbeast:

youll get labelled as a liberal terrorist and sent to guantanmo bay

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ZiderLKPG:

what country is that?

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sapbeast:

the US?

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ZiderLKPG:

ah

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ZiderLKPG:

that little island to the west ;)

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sapbeast:

yeah unfortunately

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stuarta:

afternoon all.

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Juski:

afternoon stuarta. enjoying the warmth? I went out at lunchtime to glue my car door mirror back on & almost melted

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stuarta:

hehe. I went out for lunch a shopping and it was officially hot.

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Juski:

I never had any idea araldite could set so fast

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stuarta:

"goes off like a jet propelled rocket" as my old man says

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stuarta:

in this heat, i'd say 90 secs max

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Juski:

course the bad part is I'm definitely gonna have to catch the bastard in the act soon, and here was me thinking the c*** had wised up

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stuarta:

he was at it again over the weekend?

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Juski:

yeah early this morning. i woke up, went ot get a drink of water & just looked out of the window, saw it smashed off

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stuarta:

camera's not running anymore?

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Juski:

rewound my cctv to get the time it happenned.. 00:40

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Juski:

I need to see the guy. hell with IR illumination he could be black for all I know.. you just can't tell. that could've put the police off the scent too cos I originally thought he was white

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Juski:

didn't realise about the false colour problem til today.. dunno why I'd not thought of it before about skin colour since I'd already realised it buggers up fabric colours/shades

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Juski:

like erm.. a dark blue t-shirt appears very light grey on IR cameras.. as does black. light grey looks erm.. light grey (etc). absolutely useless as it turns out

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Juski:

</rant>

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sapbeast:

what the hell are you talking about...

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Juski:

cctv camera with infra red illumination.

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Juski:

black looks very light under IR

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Juski:

when I reported this vandal to the police I just assumed the guy was white when I gave them a description, going off what I saw on my cctv footage

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Juski:

so they maybe have been (half heartedly) looking for the wrong guy is what I'm saying. I dunno, not having seen him with my own eyes yet

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Juski:

and you try not getting hot & bothered about some scummy bastard damaging your property

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Dibblah:

Are we on the car-scratcher again?

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Dibblah:

Should be shot, the lot of them.

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sapbeast:

oh i didnt understand what you were trying to point out

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sapbeast:

but actually yeah i know how worthless cctv is

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sapbeast:

we have 32 cameras in this building (which would surprise most people in the US) and stuff still walks off... and we cant do crap about it

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Juski:

I just didn't clock that the IR might get skin colour as wrong as fabric colours

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Juski:

there

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Juski:

oops

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Juski:

there's a big residents meeting tomorrow (about opposing a new development round the corner) so I'll raise it there & then. everyone needs to keep an eye out for each other.. all this bloody self-importance is helping people get away with it. no good saying "none of my business" if you see something untoward like so many people do

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sapbeast:

it doesnt help that the tech still sucks though

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sapbeast:

quarter vga resolution cameras are standard... you cant make out anything on those

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah, and most places use them as deterrentmore than to actually catch anyone,so they don't really demand better quality

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sapbeast:

obviously people miss the deterrent part here

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stuarta:

you can't buy anything nice here, cause some bastard will trash it.

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Juski:

yeh it's YOUR fault for making the poor sod feel jealous

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sapbeast:

well trashing part you can handle these days

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sapbeast:

you can get cameras you can take a baseball bat to repeatedly

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sapbeast:

and it wont leave a scratch

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Juski:

yeh we make them

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sapbeast:

we have some of those here too

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sapbeast:

they are called "armour dome"

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Juski:

we have a megapixel camera in the wings, but low light performance isn't too good

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Juski:

during the day my cameras are great.. it's just that IR illumination is a waste of space for id purposes

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Juski:

I think maybe one of my s100 boxes could be turned into a cctv dvr. pity Motion doesn't work with ivtv cards

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Dibblah:

Juski: It's not if you're only relying on IR at a shortish distance.

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Dibblah:

Otherwise, yeah. Heat is an issue.

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stuarta:

doesn't red filtered light work well?

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Dibblah:

Of course, the easy way is to get Motion to trigger a 3.3mp camera, with studio flashes ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Just setup a fake set of schedule data, in like half-one hour chunks. And have it record all of them. Auto expire everything over a dayor so

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GreyFoxx:

then if you find something on one mark it as not available for auto expire

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Juski:

hmmm

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Juski:

got enough disk space for that.. and a spare input on the pvr150 too.. and the box is always on anyway, so no extra leccy bill...

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GreyFoxx:

hehe You could even make it it's own playback group orsomething so it wont show up in your normal recordings unless you change groups

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GreyFoxx:

Kinda like how LiveTV works now

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Juski:

I think I might even have a spare pci slot for a dedicated card

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Juski:

then I'll also get 720x576 interlaced recording.. and how many dvrs do that (not ours, not even the high end stuff)

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GreyFoxx:

Ihelped a friend setup something similarusing myth as his internal security came at his office

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GreyFoxx:

he wrote the script to fill in the fake scheduling data and I installed the box/myth

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GreyFoxx:

he still uses it to this day, happy as a clam as it helpe discover an employee who was coming in during the middle of thenight and walking out with stuff :)

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Dibblah:

I'd love a true progressive video capture solution.

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Dibblah:

Interlacing is so 50s.

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Juski:

woohoo! new employment contract is gonna have that nasty clause removed. made my day!

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stuarta:

how nasty?

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Juski:

new clause saying they reserved the right to send us home for indeterminate periods of time without pay

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stuarta:

rude

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Juski:

6 of us complained, and now it's gone

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Juski:

I discussed it with hr this morning, maybe I helped tip the scales

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Juski:

either way I'm happier about it

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sapbeast:

interlacing ftw

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wishie:

yes, i know i accidently signed in as root.. blah blah.. quick question... my 'recorded' table crashed, and i rebuilt it via the schema on the website, but that schema doesnt seem to show the 'duplicate' part.. what are the fields for that ?

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GreyFoxx:

if the table was corrupted you would have just needed to run myisamchk or "repair tablename;"

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wishie:

yeah, i found that out _afterwards_ :(

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GreyFoxx:

google is your friend :)

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wishie:

been googling

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GreyFoxx:

you can just reconfigure myth to use a new database

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GreyFoxx:

launch myth

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GreyFoxx:

let it create the schema

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GreyFoxx:

configure it to use the right one

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wishie:

found the whole table schema, for the SVN version, but it doesnt show the recorded.duplicate entry

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GreyFoxx:

and now oyu have a "clean" version

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wishie:

i did launch myth, and it spits errors

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wishie:

wont i lose data that way ?

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wishie:

from the other tables..

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GreyFoxx:

no, like I said. configure myth to use a new database then run it

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GreyFoxx:

it wont touch the old one

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wishie:

testing..brb

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GreyFoxx:

and of course, mysqldump to make a backup first

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wishie:

hmm, how the hell do i tell myth to use a different db..heh

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GreyFoxx:

look for a mysql.txt

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GreyFoxx:

either ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt or /usr/local/share/mythtv/mysql.txt

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GreyFoxx:

or if you used a package it could be anywhere

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GreyFoxx:

some do /etc/mythtv/

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wishie:

hmm

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wishie:

found it in ~/.mythtv/

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wishie:

unknown database..nice..heh

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GreyFoxx:

well, you do have to CREATE the blank database before myth can use it :)

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GreyFoxx:

myth will fill in the tables, but the datsabase must exist

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wishie:

ok, thats done now..

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wishie:

brb

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scales:

hello again gentlemen

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scales:

quick question. if my controller is recognized via fedora, what do i have to do for xmame to see it?

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haj:

scales: is that on topic? :)

[15:15:32]

scales:

well...........maybe :)

[15:16:16]

scales:

i just hate how the fedora forum needs this extra login crap

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Anduin:

There is a fedora channel on this irc server.

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scales:

i meant irc sorry

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scales:

it needs some registration crap

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scales:

login name

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scales:

i use trillian to manage my chats/irc

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scales:

and i dont think it has the same options for loggin in

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scales:

anyone else use trillian?

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Anduin:

scales: Doesn't is occasionally crash for you (when it doesn't handle empty messages)?

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Anduin:

scales: And you can register, try /msg nickserv help

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scales:

humm

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scales:

i am not sure about the crashing thing, yeah i know i can register via /msg nickserv crap, it just is a pain

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scales:

i would rather it automatically log me in

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scales:

or something

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scales:

what about the crashing thing. can you give me an example?

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Anduin:

trillian has an option to send stuff at connect

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scales:

right

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scales:

i thought i set it up correctly,

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scales:

ok well options i can edit are nickname, username, user info

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scales:

anyone know which is the password?

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qu0zl:

scales there's usually a 'run this cmd on login' section in irc clients

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qu0zl:

it won't be a menu option because how can trillian know to send to a irc bot called nickserv

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scales:

uh huh

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scales:

humm

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qu0zl:

you need to find the run on login text box, and put in "/msg nickserv identify password"

[15:33:10]

qu0zl:

it may be associated with the server list, not with your user profile. it is in xchat

[15:33:12]

Juski:

I actually prefer being unregistered like I am today.. no random fsckers PMing me

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sphery:

sha_: Re: your question about zombies in MythVideo, see ticket #1569.

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qu0zl:

must reist urge to pm Juski...

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sphery:

Unfortunately, the patch also does a bunch of ther stuff...

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scales:

juski, i need to register to talk in fedoras irc

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scales:

:(

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Jambi:

a black screen while playing /dev/video0 usually means that the signal is not found, correct?

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Anduin:

Jambi: Usually wrong input.

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Jambi:

hmm

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Jambi:

like, ivtvctl -p3?

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Jambi:

it's on svideo

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Jambi:

oh doh!

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Jambi:

wrong input :P

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Jambi:

heh

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Jambi:

it was on the second svideo input instead of the first :P

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Juski:

how many inputs do those video processors have anyway? It'd have been great if they had RGB or component inputs too :-)

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Jambi:

I've got six on my Hauppauge PVR-250

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Jambi:

1 tuner, 2 svideo, 3 composite

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Jambi:

that's what `ivtvctl -n' returns

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Juski:

I wonder how hard it'd be to add RGB functionality...

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Juski:

might be time to look in the ivtv source to see if an rgb input mode on the vid decoder is defined

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EinsteinTaylor:

afternoon all

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sixy:

anyone had any issues with xine only playing the first chapter on a dvd (usaully the studio logo) then stopping complaining that the audio device is in use?

[17:21:51]

scales:

humm

[17:21:54]

scales:

no

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scales:

actually xine runs beautifully for me

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scales:

i didnt need to take much time setting that up

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scales:

what distro

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sixy:

fedora

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scales:

5?

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sixy:

yeah. what audio setting do you use?

[17:22:42]

scales:

humm

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scales:

i have the same

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gnome42:

How does one get mythmusic to display time elapsed AND time remaining instead of just time elapsed?

[17:23:46]

scales:

well i just kinda followed jarods guide, i only have one audio device, and i did have to play a little with it

[17:24:12]

scales:

since one of my two tuners has to have its audio enter via line in

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scales:

my sound card is onboard

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scales:

and was supported natively

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sixy:

yeah its 5.1 output that caused all this trouble

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scales:

oh

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scales:

funny

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scales:

i was just about to post about that

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scales:

i will assume that mythtv will work in some form with 5.1 surround sound. same with xine. so if i wanted to get a 5.1 surround sound pci card, what would be the way to go? (preferably cheap)

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scales:

just about to enter that when you began

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scales:

so not much luck on the 5.1 huh?

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scales:

what brand?

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sixy:

one thats supported by alsa. you will need a basic understanding of dmix too

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sixy:

well audigy cards cause a lot of problems. so do cards based on the ICE1712 chipset

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scales:

hummm

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scales:

that sucks

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sixy:

most onboard soundcards have 5.1 output that works just fine

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scales:

i love creative

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scales:

humm well i dont have an onboard 5.1, i was gonna get a pci one, kinda wanted to keep it cheap

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sixy:

linux has had issues with sound ever since some idiot integrated alsa into the kernel

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scales:

i see

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sixy:

but look in the alsa hcl – anything listed there without too many notes should be ok

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scales:

well when i was setting up my onboard sound card, i had to fiddle with those toggles and sliders

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scales:

odd how sometimes somethings would work, and othertimes not

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EinsteinTaylor:

finally...people alive in here :)

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scales:

depends on what you need, :) i am just a newb

[17:30:43]

EinsteinTaylor:

i dont need anything...just hanging out...offerin my expertise :)

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EinsteinTaylor:

was dead earlier

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sixy:

yeah... at linux is better at telling you _why_ its not working

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sixy:

windows just hangs then doesnt tell you why :/

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sigger:

been pulling my hair out to get lirc working. I have a creative CIMR-100 IR Receiver. first I was starting lirc with a script that gave lircd --device=creative. But the lirc process died whenever I ran irw. So now I'm running it with out the --device and while, on the one hand, it doesn't die with irw, on the other hand, irw doesn't show anything. anyone?

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sixy:

sigger as root modprobe all the modules needed

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EinsteinTaylor:

sigger: is irrecord able to pick it up?

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sixy:

then manually restart the lircd service

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scales:

sigger, where did you get the lircd.conf?

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sigger:

sixy, I modprobe'd lirc_serial. don't know of anything else I need.

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sigger:

EinsteinTaylor: no

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EinsteinTaylor:

sigger: then yeah...i would say you either dont have the right modules loaded or you didnt compile lirc with the right driver option

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EinsteinTaylor:

u sure u did the right driver=xxxxxx?

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sigger:

well, I didn't compile it myself. it came as part of knoppmyth

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kormoc:

sigger, yip cam

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kormoc:

sigger, erm, you can't use the serial driver unless it's a serial port ir receiver iirc

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sigger:

kormoc: I believe it is a serial port ir. It connects to serial port

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EinsteinTaylor:

lirc is goofy...it can only be compiled with one driver(at least on my gentoo system) so it may need to be rebuilt with the driver

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kormoc:

EinsteinTaylor, that's not true, just set more then on LIRC_DEVICES in your make.conf and it will compile them

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kormoc:

EinsteinTaylor, it really doesn't recommend it, but it does work

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kormoc:

oh wait, they did disable it in the newest ebuild

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kormoc:

that's strange

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kormoc:

nutty dev

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sigger:

scales: I haven't even started messing with lircd.conf. wanna get it to recognize frist

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sigger:

er, first

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scales:

humm. i thought that to get irw working you needed to have the correct lircd.conf

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sigger:

oooh, that true? that might explain it

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sigger:

oh wait. no signal on mode2 either

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scales:

sigger: i thought that you needed to run some lircd service

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scales:

when that ran it referenced the lircd.conf file

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scales:

that is how i did mine. otherwise, it wouldnt output anything

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scales:

that way when you run irw, it spits out the key and whatever label you gave it

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scales:

i would try to get the lircd.conf file first, put it in your /etc/ folder

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sigger:

scales: well, there is a lircd.conf preinstalled for a hauppauge pvr-350. but I haven't looked at it.

[17:46:03]

scales:

and then try irw

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scales:

what remote are you using?

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scales:

humm i see, i forgot you were using knopmyth

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sigger:

so irw only spits out stuff it recognizes from lircd.conf? I thought it spit out raw data, like I understand mode2 is supposed too

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sigger:

planning on using my Logitech Harmony 680

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sigger:

remote

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scales:

well it might. i am still somewhat of a newb. but i can tell you that when i setup both of my remotes, first the ati remote wonder, second the microsoft media center one, irw gave me the names of buttons i had put in the lircd.conf file

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scales:

if dmesg shows that your computer is recognizing your remote, i would find a lircd.conf and lircrc file and put them in the appropriate places, lircd.conf in /etc/, and lircrc /home/USERNAME/.mythtv/

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scales:

also if you are using xine, and have controls for that within the lircrc file, you need a copy or sim link of your lircrc file in your /home/USERNAME/ file

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sigger:

EinsteinTaylor, kormoc: you know if mode2 spits out raw data from port (as opposed to lirc results)?

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sigger:

i really just wanna find out if IR receiver signal is at least available to lirc, before figuring out if its processing it righ

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sigger:

right

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scales:

be back in a bit

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Juski:

evenin all

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Juski:

you know that issue with 0.19 and mysql5 where the mysql server times out & kills all the open connections? Has anyone here ever seen that with mysql 4?

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Juski:

I've been using 0.19.20060121–2 for ages without any problems til last night. I always thought "it's not broke.... so don't upgrade without good reason"

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Juski:

no big deal anyway I suppose.. never seen the problem before & I suspect I'm unlikely to ever see it again (if I do I can always upgrade to 0.19-fixes)

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stuarta:

evening juski

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Juski:

evening stuarta

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Juski:

phwoar it's still a bit warm-ish

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stuarta:

i have my salad. i have my beer. got my boardies on, so all is well

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** Juski googles 'boardies' **

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stuarta:

aussie for board shorts

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Juski:

aha

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stuarta:

only thing for summer

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Juski:

my legs never get any light.. I think it'd be classed as a crime against humanity if I bared them

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stuarta:

you can get away with it if you don't leave the house....

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

yeh well we've got company coming over soon & I'm fitting a car stereo as a favour

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stuarta:

it is highly entertaining seeing what comes out when it gets hot....

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Juski:

in both respects, I'd agree with that!

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Juski:

up this way it's short shorts as far as the eye can see... and sometimes that's too much

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stuarta:

ew

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Juski:

we northerners don't get much in the way of sunshine or heat, so everyone goes overboard

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stuarta:

15 degrees and everyone gets naked

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Juski:

33'C my car said tonight on the way home

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stuarta:

nice

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Juski:

ahh but you're thinking of the nights out ;-)

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stuarta:

nights days it's all nice when its 33c out

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Juski:

oh god here's some news. my wife checked her mirror when she was cleaning her windscreen after work... bloody great footprint on it... peugeot 106 door mirrors dont break!

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Juski:

bbl

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stuarta:

later

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stuarta:

well bugger me, managed to record something off the itv hd test mux....

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Super_Cat_Frog:

hi – whats the preffered method of channel scanning nowadays, if the automatic scan doesn't find anything (although kaffeine's does)

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stuarta:

Super_Cat_Frog: what version are you using?

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Super_Cat_Frog:

0.18.1.20050510–1

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Super_Cat_Frog:

from kubuntu's packages

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stuarta:

Super_Cat_Frog: you are well out of date. 0.19's been out for ages & 0.20 is getting close

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ok, cvs? or are there any up to date kubuntu packages?

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ooh! svn now eh?

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stuarta:

should be... just dunno where the ubuntu packages are kept

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kormoc:

ubuntu is still stuck on 0.18

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kormoc:

they seem to be refusing to update the package

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j2^:

Hm, any hints to why i would get "insmod: error inserting 'ivtvdev_drv.o': -1 Invalid module format" when doing insmod ./ivtvdev_drv ?

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xris:

I think it's been updated for dapper

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ahh

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Main archive: deb http://heimic.net/ubuntu/ breezy-purana mythtv all

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Super_Cat_Frog:

xris: – im using dapper

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Super_Cat_Frog:

j2^: try upgrading your kernel, it looks like that driver didn't build cleanly

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xris:

Super_Cat_Frog: no clue, then

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Super_Cat_Frog:

xris – there's an archive here: http://heimic.net/ubuntu/

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xris:

ah, cool

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j2^:

Super_Cat_Frog: Uhm... Silly me, it wasnt a kernel module.. it was a xfree module :)

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j2^:

Now i can do X -screen TV and get a background and cursor..... if i want X to _Start_ in that mode, what do i need to change? If i reboot, and start X, it goes to VGA

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j2^:

silly me...

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Juski:

ah well. that was easy. can't do it without making a trip to hell-frauds

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Juski:

hmm. so don't buy a sony car radio that's been ripped out of its previous home.. the wiring info isn't in the user manual. lol

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stuarta:

what, you thought this would be easy??

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Juski:

didn't figure the lass had been given a ringer

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Juski:

silly me assumed the gift was BNIB... derrrr

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Juski:

oh and just FYI folks.. if you ever wonder why you might be seeing interference on one of your video inputs... if you have an xbox plugged into another input (but not powered on!) it can cause nasty lines on the picture :-/

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Juski:

a ground loop, from something which doesn't have a connection to mains earth. that's a new one. xbox should be floating, I'd have thought

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EinsteinTaylor:

anybody used a controll pad and mythgame yet? thinking about trying it tonight...

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nbw2006:

hello

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Juski:

hello

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nbw2006:

Does anyone know if you can use MythTV to stream a live broadcast and also have PVR/timeshift functionality on that stream?

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kormoc:

nbw2006, short answer, no

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kormoc:

if you mean via the internet

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Juski:

and that's 'no you can't' not 'no I don't know' ;-)

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Juski:

streaming worth watching is best done with the proper tools anyway

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nbw2006:

Well what I am trying to do (any way possible...which is why I am looking at MyTV :-) is to stream from my capture card to a player like WindowsMediaPlayer or VLC or Real or whatever and have timeshift/pvr capabilites....

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Juski:

and a fast upload connection

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nbw2006:

this would be on a local LAN

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Juski:

so not over the internet?

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nbw2006:

in my house

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Juski:

there's a myth frontend app for windows, but it ain't free

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stuarta:

i would have said not written yet...

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EinsteinTaylor:

i read the windows one hadnt been maintained in quite some time

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Juski:

O M F G! and there was so much mailing list traffic about this too: http://tapeworm.spurgeonwoods.com/

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nbw2006:

is there a MythTV API I could write an app to control an MPEG stream to provide PVR/timeshifting? (sorry for the n00b questions)

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Juski:

UTSL ;-)

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nbw2006:

yea I looked at tapeworm

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EinsteinTaylor:

there is a myth api...u might ask in gentoo-dev for more specifics though

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Juski:

you could look at the source for xbmcmythtv.. it's python & quite readable

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gardengnome:

yo.

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Juski:

yo gardengnome

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nbw2006:

yo yo

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Juski:

so I stand corrected on there being an _actual_ mythfrontend for winders

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gardengnome:

the setting "Seek to exact frame", does that refer to fast forwarding or to jumping?

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gardengnome:

that parasitic frontend? tapeworm?

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EinsteinTaylor:

juski: there does exist one butjust unmaintained from what i hear

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EinsteinTaylor:

http://winmyth.sourceforge.net/

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Juski:

EinsteinTaylor: biggest PoS I've ever had the mispleasure of using... next to windows of course

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EinsteinTaylor:

i didnt say it was worth anything...but what do u expect with a windows port of anything :)

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Juski:

I dunno why but seeing all the "wow man, you're really cool" mails about tapeworm I had visions of it being a _proper_ interface at least

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j2^:

Hm, if i see "XVDriver disabled at compilation time

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j2^:

" in my Xorg log.. should i worry?

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j2^:

(The output from my PV-350 video out is abysmal in speed)

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Juski:

no xv in FB mode AFAIK

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j2^:

Juski: Oh... Wait.. i need to tell myth to USE a PVR350 for ourput... right?

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EinsteinTaylor:

if u wnat it to do the mpeg2 decoding..then yeha..i think so

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Juski:

dunno. better consult a howto, eh

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j2^:

EinsteinTaylor: Any idea _Where_ that setting is?

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EinsteinTaylor:

j2^: i *THINK* i saw it under setup->general about 3 or 4 screens in

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EinsteinTaylor:

in the frontend

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Juski:

time to grab a g4l cd

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EinsteinTaylor:

g4l???

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EinsteinTaylor:

what that is?

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kormoc:

Ghost 4 linux

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EinsteinTaylor:

googling it now...never heard of it before

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EinsteinTaylor:

ahh...i got too many drives for that to be useful

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j2^:

found it. Was under TV settings....

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j2^:

Now i wonder why my sound is to low to hear... almost :)

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EinsteinTaylor:

j2^: i knew it was right in there somewhere...

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EinsteinTaylor:

j2^: check your PCM and master volume in alsamixer as well as the volume in the frontend setup

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EinsteinTaylor:

i cranked em all the way and then control the volume with my souround receiver

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j2^:

EinsteinTaylor: Yeah, thats what i used to do, but before the Frontend change, a setting of -45dbA was pretty good... Now it is inaudible.. vierd.

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EinsteinTaylor:

j2^: does the 350 have it's own audio tuner on it?

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melunko:

xris: Hi, could you give me a tip? How could I get MPEG4 instead of nuv?

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sigger:

Does these two successive entries in /var/log/daemon.log suggest that lircd has started and found an IR receiver (or at least not objected to lack of one)? Jul 17 16:16:00 mythtv lircd-0.8.0-CVS[4622]: lircd(all) ready ; Jul 17 16:16:24 mythtv lircd-0.8.0-CVS[4622]: accepted new client on /dev/lircd

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nbw2006:

So aside from MythStream are there any other streaming options?

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xris:

melunko: nuv can be mpeg4

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xris:

nuv is a container, not a video codec

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xris:

nbw2006: mythstream is the only thing plugin that can listen to web streams.

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melunko:

xris: I see. I set the transcode to MPEG4, but when using nuvinfo, it always shows: "video_type: RJPG"

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User36:

have a problem, does mythtv still has the option to import dvds

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xris:

melunko: then you missed something in the transcode profile

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User36:

there is a link under optical drives, but in setup->media->dvd there is no rip settings?

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User36:

??

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melunko:

xris: ok, I will try once more. What is decoding MPEG4? AvFormatDecoder class?

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xris:

melunko: no clue

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gardengnome:

User36: maybe you missed something when you compiled mythplugins, not sure

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xris:

anyway, there are multiple transcode profiles, so make sure you set up the correct one (should be default, though)

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nbw2006:

I found a blog where some dude is using mplayer to read a stream from HTTP from mythTV...in such a set up would the mplayer controls allow pause/rewind functionality?

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User36:

i am recompiler mythdvd

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xris:

nbw2006: so you were talking about mythstreamtv, not mythstream....

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xris:

nbw2006: are you talking about streaming TO or FROM mythtv?

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nbw2006:

streaming FROM

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xris:

ok, mythstreamtv, then.

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j2^:

It seem my PVR-350 is putting all audio on its internal connectors... Even tho i have PVR350InternalAudioOnly 0 in my mySQL

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xris:

anyway, the svn version of mythtv will properly "stream" recordings over http

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xris:

with seek, etc.

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nbw2006:

ah ok

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nbw2006:

yea i was originally looking at mythstream

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nbw2006:

this is more to my point thnx

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xris:

yeah, mythstream is for receiving, not sending.

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xris:

mythstreamtv is a completely different thing and is a link between mythweb and vlc.

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xris:

to stream out.

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kormoc:

but it doesn't support fast-forwarding or similar stuff, iric

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kormoc:

*iirc

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xris:

nope. it can't.

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xris:

seeking is done via the resume function of http, which is byte-specific, not timecode

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xris:

so you can't say "give me byte 10123123" when it hasn't been encoded yet.

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nbw2006:

I only really care about pause/rewind...you cant really FF into live can you :-)

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User36:

ok when i go into import dvd i get cannot connect to your myth transcoding daemon

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praet:

exit

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praet:

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xris:

nbw2006: you can't stream live at all

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User36:

ok when i go into import dvd i get cannot connect to your myth transcoding daemon

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gardengnome:

you need to start it

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GreyFoxx:

What does thatmessage imply to you ?

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gardengnome:

heh

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mocker:

Anyone know a SQL query that will list off the shows that are going to be recorded today?

[21:10:10]

mocker:

I tried looking at mythweb but failed. ;)

[21:10:11]

xris:

mocker: there isn't

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xris:

it's calculated by the backend and stored in RAM

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nbw2006:

so does anyone use mythStreamTV? :-) sourceforge hasnt been updated since jan 05

[21:10:53]

xris:

nbw2006: there's a patch somewhere to make it work with .19

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mocker:

xris: So scraping the backend status port may be the best way?

[21:11:14]

xris:

mocker: yes. or use the new xml version if you use svn

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nbw2006:

patches...stinking patches :-)

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mocker:

xris: No SVN for me.. ;)

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xris:

nbw2006: that's why I wrote the perl hook for streaming in mythweb's svn.. just provide official support for streamed content.

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nbw2006:

Ill have to check out the SVN history then :-)

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GreyFoxx:

mocker: You could run mythbackend --printsched and parse that if your script has access to it

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys

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Mattwj2005:

anyone ever get MythWeb to use Mplayer in Windows?

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Juski:

jees that g4l is a slow burner.

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xris:

Mattwj2005: why not just use dsmyth and a windows native app like wmp?

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xris:

Mattwj2005: but you can override the "smart" windows URL in the config file

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Mattwj2005:

wmp? you mean winamp?

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Juski:

no like windows media player

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xris:

windows media player

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Mattwj2005:

what configuration file

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xris:

mythweb's

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xris:

or in mythweb's settings if you're using svn

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Mattwj2005:

oh....well Mplayer seems to play local Myth files better

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nbw2006:

xris: this mythstreamtv looks like a setup I tried with WindowsMediaEncoder encoding from my capt card to a file and then having vlc read/stream that file out

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Mattwj2005:

Windows Media Player locks up sometimes

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xris:

Mattwj2005: well maybe mplayer is capable of understanding the dsmyth url

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Mattwj2005:

I haven't been able to get it to work

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Mattwj2005:

I have tried to change it in mythfilters

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Mattwj2005:

*MythTV filters

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xris:

Mattwj2005: then url override is your best option.

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xris:

I'm pondering using the dsmyth autodetect stuff only for .nuv files.. or maybe not at all in svn now that download/streaming works proplerly

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nbw2006:

xris: So when using mystreamTV do the player controls work or do you need to provide some out of band controls that send instructions to the web interface?

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xris:

no clue, I don't use it.

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xris:

pretty sure it connects directly to vlc's streaming webserver...

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nbw2006:

yea..right now I have a windowsMediaPlayer client connected to an MMS stream that VLC is sending and I can use the vlc web interface to control the stream but the WMP controls dont function so I would have to hack something to bridge those controls and the vlc web interface

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xris:

nbw2006: yes. the problem is with "on the fly encode" vs file.

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xris:

can't seek through an on the fly encode

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nbw2006:

yea tell me about it...my vlc is actuially reading a live file ...

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nbw2006:

if only you could index the stream on the fly

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xris:

that's not the problem. http seeking is done by byte, not timecode.

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nbw2006:

i'm thinking in terms of mms/rtsp

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xris:

ah. no clue there

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nbw2006:

or even file:// and read from the live file

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nbw2006:

but without the index present im outta luck :-)

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nbw2006:

how does mythTV time shift? write out an indexed buffer and hook the player up to that?

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nbw2006:

then pause/rewind against that?

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Juski:

bascially yeah

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nbw2006:

so the buffer the player hooks up to is .nuv?

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stuarta:

bored now

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GreyFoxx:

depends on the source

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GreyFoxx:

dvb/pvr cards are mpeg2

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nbw2006:

ok makes sens

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GreyFoxx:

any software based framebuffer are stored in .nuv as rtjpeg or mpeg4

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gardengnome:

stuarta: help me debug some of the dbox2 code then.

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mchou:

holy crap....100 degF outside

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stuarta:

nice n toasty

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d3ity:

Juski, hey man

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mchou:

no bike ride for me today

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d3ity:

whats up

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d3ity:

Juski, I replaced my IR reciever module with some interesting results

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d3ity:

now, if you wouldn't mind walking me through what we did yesterday with the multimeter, I'd be greatly appreciated

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mchou:

weather.com forecasts are lame

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mchou:

they predict a high of 87 and it is 100 out there right now

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d3ity:

Juski, I've got a drop in voltage when i press a button on my remote, but mode2 doesn't seem to register it

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Juski:

d3ity: right, so just on the output pin, or ... ?

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d3ity:

on output

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d3ity:

and slightly on vcc

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d3ity:

both are very small changes

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Juski:

hmm

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Juski:

I'll try doing that on my receiver hang on

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nbw2006:

well thnx for the info...peace

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xris:

woot. got help in #ffmpeg for encoding ipod h.264 video.. might have something for nuvexport tonight.

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stuarta:

nice

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Juski:

just for the record.. vcc doesn't droop when the IR receiver pulses its output.. didn't expect it to either.. and the data output has about 2.5v pk-pk, which is prolly good news considering the voltmeter is averaging it

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Josiah:

i dont suppose someone would be kind enough to help me setup mythtv on suse 10.1 would they?

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gardengnome:

well, you'd have to read the documentation on www.mythtv.org first

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gardengnome:

and some suse-specific guide might not hurt

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Josiah:

i did i am stuck at two places :)

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Josiah:

wireless card and ivtv

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Juski:

www.ivtvdriver.org

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gardengnome:

www.wirelesscard.org

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jedix:

is there a way to get myth to record live tv to a ramdisk instead of directly to disk?

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nasty_b:

Hey guys. I'm running Ubuntu Desktop 6.06. I get the following error when trying to "./configure": "./configure: line 2958: qmake: command not found"

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nasty_b:

Can anyone help please?

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jedix:

nasty_b: apt-get install qmake

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nasty_b:

I tried that, however I get the following message:

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nasty_b:

E: Couldn't find package qmake

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gardengnome:

qt3-dev-tools i suppose

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gardengnome:

learn to use apt-file

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jedix:

apt-cache search qmake

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jammyd:

qt3-dev-tools contains it on my machinhe

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** jedix is wondering how well a parisc box will work with mythbackend **

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jammyd:

parisc? lol

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jedix:

it has 12gbs of ram.. so I want to make a ramdisk to record live tv, but make shows written to disk so it's statful

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** jammyd isn't sure if you can specify where the livetv recordings can be put, since it expects them to be in the same place as the normal recorded shows **

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kormoc:

jedix, that will be hard, as live tv is recorded the same way as recorded tv

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nasty_b:

Ok thanks guys. I'm downloading and installing now

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jedix:

ah

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jedix:

well waht the hell do I use 12gbs of ram for?

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gardengnome:

umm

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gardengnome:

ramdisk for your porn

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jedix:

it's only 12gbs

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gardengnome:

i hate latency when it comes to that

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kormoc:

run mysql via ramdisk?

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gardengnome:

jedix: right. maybe a "best-of"?

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jedix:

but I need mysqlt o be stateful

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b8zs:

Quick noob question: Im using ssh to connect to my frontend, and while I am forwarding my X session, when I run mythfrontend I am geting "cannot connect to X server". Oddly, X is running fine on my frontend

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jammyd:

b8zs: ssh with -vv and see what errors pop up

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b8zs:

roger

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jammyd:

it'll probably be a missing xauth binary or something

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jedix:

I expect it's because it's trying to pipe your frontend back to you

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jammyd:

?!

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jedix:

and the xauth isn't allowing that

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jammyd:

b8za: I assume you're using -X, yeah?

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octan:

howdy all

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jedix:

gardengnome: that does make sense..

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b8zs:

jammyd; yes I was using -X

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octan:

can mythtv's internal player play img and bin files?

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jedix:

probably

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GreyFoxx:

Octane: Idon't think it does

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jedix:

really?

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octan:

:(

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jedix:

mplayer can

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GreyFoxx:

so?

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GreyFoxx:

myth isn';t mplayer

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octan:

yes i know it can,, but i rather use the internal player

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b8zs:

here is the ssh debug output: http://pastebin.ca/90682

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b8zs:

look ok to me :/

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GreyFoxx:

Octane: You can easily try and fine out, but I'd be suprised if it worked

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nasty_b:

Another quick question...because I've been having problems with ./configure, is this how its supposed to finish:

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nasty_b:

Creating libs/libmyth/mythconfig.h and libs/libmyth/mythconfig.mak .... (next line) libs/libmyth/mythconfig.h is unchanged

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jammyd:

b8za: OK, try ssh'ing with -Y ?

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octan:

GreyFoxx, im not Octane

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octan:

im octan

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octan:

:p

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GreyFoxx:

It's autocomplete doing it :)

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jammyd:

can't see any errors in there, but you ommitted the debug from when you ran the frontend i think?

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nasty_b:

what?

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jedix:

hehe, user rating: -7x22716e-08

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jedix:

.bin works for me

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jedix:

I don't have any img files

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GreyFoxx:

jedix: It did? Cool. I'm happily suprised :)

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octan:

jedix what version of myth? svn?

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b8zs:

jammyd, ssh -Y output can be found here: http://pastebin.ca/90684

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jedix:

.19

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octan:

ok

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b8zs:

jammyd, the mythfrontend error output isnt verbose, it just says cannot connect to X server

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jedix:

I thought mythtv used mplayer

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jammyd:

b8zs: does ssh not spew any errors?

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GreyFoxx:

jedix: Only for mythvideo if it's configuredthatway

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jammyd:

I've expect it to — how many -v's are you passing?

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b8zs:

2

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jedix:

b8zs: try running `xhost +`

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jammyd:

jedix: Whilst I'm sure that'll work, it's not exactly a sensible solution

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b8zs:

"xhost: unable to open display """

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jedix:

not in the ssh session

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jedix:

locally

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b8zs:

oh

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jammyd:

b8sz: Wat machine are you ssh'ing from? Does it have an X server running?

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nasty_b:

Guys after I typed "make" for mythtv, I get these errors: http://pastebin.ca/90687

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kormoc:

nasty_b, you need lib qt-mt

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jedix:

the MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 line says 2>/dev/null

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jedix:

nasty_b: read what is required to build myth

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jedix:

actuall

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jedix:

type apt-get build-dep mythtv

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jedix:

and learn how to use apt

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b8zs:

jammyd, yes — im using my laptop to ssh to the xbox

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jammyd:

b8zs: running linux?

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jedix:

b8zs: what are you trying to do?

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nasty_b:

E: Unable to find a source package for mythtv

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b8zs:

jedix, `xhost +` confirmed that acces controls have been disabled

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b8zs:

jammyd, yes both laptop and xbox are gentoo 2006.0

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jedix:

b8zs: now you should be able to connect..

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b8zs:

jedix, trying to run mythfrontend

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b8zs:

jedix, still says cannot connect :/

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jedix:

what does it say?

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b8zs:

jedix, the reason im trying to run mythfrontend from my laptop is because I havent go tlirc working yet on my xbox

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b8zs:

jedix, "mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server"

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jedix:

b8zs: type it on your laptop

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jedix:

but it won't dop what you want.

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Juski:

b8zs are you not using xebian? dead easy install

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jammyd:

b8zs: What does the output of "grep X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config" show?

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b8zs:

omg

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b8zs:

my bad :/

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b8zs:

forgot

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jedix:

work?

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b8zs:

thanks jammyd, in setting everything up i forgot about sshd_config!

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Juski:

xebian.. download a torrent.. unpack the resulting file & ftp to the xbox. then boot, login & configure

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** jedix uses xbmc with smb mnts **

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jammyd:

b8zs: *grin* – no problem :)

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b8zs:

Juski, does lirc work out of the box.. with an xbox remote?

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Juski:

b8zs yep... and with lircmd too :)

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b8zs:

lirc has been the biggest pain *yet*

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** nero thinks lirc never works 'out of the box' ;) **

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Juski:

bleh just ditch it & grab xebian.. you know you want to

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b8zs:

lol

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b8zs:

I was jsut about to say I need to switch to a "binary" os

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unrooting:

anyone familiar with using mythdvd ?

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nero:

time to get mythtv working: 2 hours... time to get lirc working: 17 hours... controlling your mythtv box with a remote to gain the wife acceptance factor.. priceles..

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b8zs:

true that

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nero:

spelling lessons- $15.00..

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b8zs:

bah, just get an irc client with spell check!

[23:11:54]

b8zs:

or tab-complete all the tough words

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sapbeast:

woot

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nero:

hehe.. priceless isnt exactly a tough word.. ;)

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sapbeast:

my 1.17TB array is now operational

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b8zs:

hawt

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nero:

1.17TB?? bah.. thats nothing.. ;)

[23:12:36]

sapbeast:

i dont have infinity dollars

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nero:

(and doesnt is suck that in a few months, there will probably have 1.17TB drives?? )

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nero:

btw sapbeast, my comment was tounge in cheek.. I have a whopping 0.248TB

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sapbeast:

i would hope so, you realize that the largest drives are always $500+

[23:13:42]

sapbeast:

so even two 750 gig would have set me back $1000, three $1500

[23:13:46]

sapbeast:

this cost me... $600

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Chicago:

sapbeast: What is your read/write rate on the array?

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Juski:

b8zs: even with xebian I managed to compile myth from source with distcc.. works great

[23:14:43]

nero:

well, off to watch "The world's fastest indian"

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unrooting:

anyone familiar with using mythdvd ?

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Juski:

unrooting: yes thanks

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nasty_b:

kormoc: You said I needed lib qt-mt, well I already have it :S

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kormoc:

nasty_b, then perhaps you didn't give the right path to the configure script

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sapbeast:

Chicago: waiting for the rebuild to finish before i do that

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nasty_b:

the configure script for MythTV? I'm just following commands from the myth website...

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Chicago:

sapbeast: Is your processor doing the array or do you have an IDE or SATA RAID card?

[23:18:51]

sapbeast:

Chicago: software raid, its only 5% cpu at max rebuild rate

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sapbeast:

or rather this is why i decided to plunk down for a big array http://www.klystron.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=273

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Chicago:

sapbeast: You're at 5 percent only because you're waiting on the hard drives, obviously.

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sapbeast:

Chicago: rather have the software still, dont want to spend extra $$ on 3ware card and software raid is not dependant on the controller card

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sapbeast:

the thing is im unsure what filesystem to put on it still

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sapbeast:

that can handle such a huge size

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sapbeast:

unless its "ok" to use ext3

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unrooting:

Juski: i am haivng a problem with ipot dvd, with the trandocde daemon

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Chicago:

sapbeast: I was shopping around on Friday for a 3ware RAID card... but I only have parallel ATA drives... so I could basically max out at 200MB/read and 60MB/write...

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sapbeast:

Chicago: im not worried about breaking records here, just as long as its at least 30MB/sec over the lan (gigabit lan)

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Juski:

unrooting: post error messages / logs into a pastebin & let people have a look .. dunno if I can be any help but it'll get you further than just saying you've got a problem ;-)

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infringer:

AngryElf; aye bud I finally got er going

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infringer:

still a little configuring to go and such as far as IR Remote and IR Blaster but ... The video and audio are working.

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infringer:

Audio not as great as expected and oddly it will only work through my PVR-150.

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Josiah:

#IuseWincrap is that correct

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AngryElf:

infringer, well when you get the blaster working let me know

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infringer:

I hope that the new crew of 15 are some good coders and really iron out and fine tune things. You can still have configuration galore and ease of use at the same time. Another way is to allow advanced mode and standard mode for options

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Josiah:

I = i but caps

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infringer:

AngryElf you got it man

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GreyFoxx:

new crew of 15?

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GreyFoxx:

what coders areyou referring to ?

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gardengnome:

SoC i suppose

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infringer:

I didnt quite try the build from scratch yet from lirc's documentation but I did try the wiki documentations articale and marks braindump patched version.

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infringer:

errr the ones that were talked of on the website

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infringer:

SOC yes summer of code

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GreyFoxx:

I think there was only like 11(or 12), and 1 dropped out

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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infringer:

doh!

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't actually looked at their stuff. Though I installed cygwin last night to look at the windows-port stuff to see how far along it is

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gardengnome:

i haven't seen many checkins yet from those guys, but i could be wrong

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infringer:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

they all have their own branches

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infringer:

yes cgywin and windows I recall reading of that as well

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GreyFoxx:

though some could well be hording the code and notusing svn

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Juski:

come checkin time there might be a shedload of backporting to do though :-/

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infringer:

I would bet thats a possible either that or keeping cool and drinking beer...

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GreyFoxx:

QT is being a pain to compile

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GreyFoxx:

too bad the one that comes with cygwin doesn't already include the mysql plugin

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kormoc:

it's not in the cygwin package management system?

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GreyFoxx:

not that I saw in the ugly setup app

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Juski:

night night y'all

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infringer:

or water for that matter

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kormoc:

that's too bad, I would have thought it was common enough

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gardengnome:

<3 beer

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

and from what I can see thereis no cygwin mysql module either. I compiled it by hand

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infringer:

hrmmm sounds like fun

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GreyFoxx:

which is likely why their QT doesn't come with mysql support

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infringer:

I aint much of nothing for C or vb I know a little about a lot though not a master of one particular thing too much stuff to do

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GreyFoxx:

right now QT is barfing about some duplicate declarations

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GreyFoxx:

but I'll work through those eventually

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infringer:

GreyFoxx have you made any applications for linux yet from scratch?

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GreyFoxx:

Over the years, several

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GreyFoxx:

brb, taking the family out for icecream :)

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infringer:

ok have fun man

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Josiah:

If I were to pay someone here to walk me through setting up mythtv would anybody?

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jammyd:

Josiah: Do you have any linux experience? It's actually not that hard

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roger55:

Josiah, ;)

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Josiah:

not much linux experince at all

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Josiah:

I can navigate around konsole and install rpm's haha so not really any

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Hiall:

Anyone know a ftp that contains mythtv that i can put in my sources.list? As all the ones i find no longer have them

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jammyd:

Hiall: You don't say what distro you're using?

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Josiah:

Suse 10.1

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jammyd:

ah

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jammyd:

is http://atrpms.net/dist/common/mythtv-suite/ of any use?

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Josiah:

I have it installed, just need help setting everything up

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Josiah:

I guess you have to setup a mysql database

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