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[00:10:45] scopeuk: think my routers too dumb to be exploited
[00:10:51] scopeuk: its cant keep a conenction up on its own
[00:12:51] libolt: I'm having trouble with mythweb since I removed some faulty ram from the system that hosts the mythtv database, which is separate from the mythtv box itself. I brought the server back up then restarted the mythtv box and mythbackend came up fine, but when I got to the web interface I get the following: http://pastebin.ca/88472
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[00:21:11] sloncho: hi. ubuntu dapper drake, mythtv 0.19-fixes from source. following the wiki page, i got almost everything done, except the ivtv driver. in the wiki they say that i have to copy the firmware files in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware. but hotplug directory does not exist. any advice?
[00:22:14] Dagmar: pfft
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[00:22:20] Dagmar: mkdir /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware
[00:22:42] Dagmar: However this is not guaranteed to be the place where it's looking for the firmware, and IIRC it warns you about that
[00:23:08] Dagmar: The directory is more likely to be /lib/firmware, actually.
[00:23:19] dtm: yeah it is guaranteed
[00:23:20] Dagmar: It's a bad idea to put things that might actually be needed to support hardware in /usr
[00:23:25] RandomDude15: hey
[00:23:39] dtm: hotplug scans those two dirs and i think more in /usr/local
[00:23:54] Dagmar: Let's say you had a disk controller or network card that needed firmware loaded.
[00:24:02] Dagmar: hotplug is obsolete.
[00:24:11] Dagmar: udev ate it's functionality with a light chianti
[00:24:13] dtm: i made them symlinks to /usr/local/lib/.....
[00:24:17] dtm: w h a t ?
[00:24:20] dtm: lol
[00:24:27] dtm: i just migrated to it.
[00:24:29] Dagmar: I'm not kidding
[00:24:34] dtm: well i mean like 6 months ago.
[00:24:50] Dagmar: Project Utopia stuff has moved very quickly
[00:24:57] dtm: never heard of that :/
[00:25:18] dtm: one wonders what was wrong with the old stuff, now that the kernel accessories are being migrated SO FAST
[00:25:34] Dagmar: Anyway, if you're mounting /usr on a disk that is on that controller, or if you're mounting /usr on a remote filesystem, you are boned if the firmware lives under /usr
[00:25:56] Dagmar: Both of those conditions are not as impossible as many would think.
[00:26:23] Dagmar: The new stuff was just thought out by some really bright guys
[00:26:28] Dagmar: ...and everyone hated devfs.
[00:26:51] Dagmar: Devfs worked for about 95% of the stuff, but the remaining 5% were complete howling-bastard problems for it
[00:27:14] Dagmar: Getting anything going that udev can't deal with is pathetically simple
[00:27:20] dtm: i completely skipped devfs
[00:27:29] Dagmar: ...because udev handles damn near everything just fine
[00:27:30] dtm: i haven't even begun to comprehend udev
[00:27:54] ** jammyd is with dtm on this one – skipped devfs entirely and haven't looked at udev (knowingly) yet **
[00:28:03] Dagmar: udev roxors
[00:28:06] dtm: i have had problems with it regarding subpartitions (/dev/hdc1 --> /dev/hdc1p1) and partitioning of md (/dev/md0 --> /dev/md0p1)
[00:28:13] dtm: i created them fine but they didn't survive a reboot
[00:28:30] dtm: i have merely coexisted unknowingly with udev up to that point
[00:28:43] dtm: blissfully ignorant, as it were
[00:29:16] scopeuk: nothing wrogn with ignorence untill ti comes to makign things work at all
[00:29:34] scopeuk: which is why im havig na great deal of dificulty changing the os of my firewall
[00:29:36] Dagmar: Look in /etc/udev/rules.d and /etc/udev/scripts
[00:29:40] scopeuk: god dman driver issues
[00:29:45] Dagmar: The syntax is actually pretty readable
[00:29:56] Dagmar: scopeuk: What's not working?
[00:30:33] sloncho: Dagmar: putting the v4lxxx drivers in /lib/firmware, and the 2 fw... files in /lib/modules did the trick. it works now. thanks
[00:30:49] Dagmar: sloncho: No problem
[00:30:56] Dagmar: I should probably go attack that wiki with an edit
[00:30:56] scopeuk: ive isntalled a bsd bassed firewall distro (net bsd) on an old net pilot firewall and drivers for the aincient enet chipset it uses arnt avaliable/i havent foud nthem yet
[00:31:09] Dagmar: Euw. BSD.
[00:31:17] scopeuk: i know but i liek the distro
[00:31:17] dtm: wtfffffffff udev puts executables in /etc !??!?!
[00:31:20] dtm: lol
[00:31:30] Dagmar: dtm: No, it puts scripts containing information in /etc
[00:31:35] dtm: oic
[00:31:47] scopeuk: Dagmar might get round to installing ipcop on it tomoz to see if that hasthe suport
[00:31:51] Dagmar: Just a buncha buncha variable declarations, basically.
[00:31:51] dtm: script == executable
[00:32:01] scopeuk: just disasembling two boxes to isntall stuff is a pain
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[00:32:22] Dagmar: There's nothing wrong with /etc containing executeables
[00:32:44] dtm: only if there's nothign wrong with totally violating the FHS
[00:33:15] Dagmar: ACK
[00:33:17] Dagmar: 0-day for linux
[00:34:05] jcsmith: hi all, i'm trying to develop a set of scripts to backup my mythtv, is there anyway to force myth to delete the files myth .19 creates for live tv watching?
[00:34:10] Dagmar: Hooly shit.
[00:34:15] Dagmar: Race condition in /proc of all places.
[00:34:40] dtm: :-o
[00:34:43] jammyd: Dagmar: URL ?
[00:35:02] Dagmar: inbox://dagmar/fulldisclosure/somemessageidorother
[00:35:15] dtm: jcsmith: the only way i know of is to delete the file and the sql entry. i'm pretty sure there's a script for it with the tarball of mythtv
[00:35:18] jammyd: Wow, what a great reference
[00:35:28] GreyFoxx: Dagmar: Got a link?
[00:35:47] scopeuk: [01:35] <Dagmar> inbox://dagmar/fulldisclosure/somemessageidorother
[00:36:21] Dagmar: http://seclists.org/lists/fulldisclosure/2006/Jul/0312.html
[00:36:25] jcsmith: dtm: thanks, i'll poke around in there, i just figured it was a waste of space to back up all of the "livetv buffers" with my recordings and after a day of tv there can be quiet a few of them
[00:36:42] jammyd: don't the livetv buffers have distinguishable names?
[00:36:53] GreyFoxx: nope
[00:37:12] GreyFoxx: just pull the file names from the database
[00:37:27] dtm: jcsmith: yeah.
[00:37:29] Dagmar: Fix was committed 45 minutes ago
[00:37:32] Dagmar: I guess we'll be seeing a patch revision in an hour or so
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[00:38:48] scopeuk: that the one they used on teh debian dev box?
[00:38:57] Dagmar: Just to make it crystal clear, the patch will get root privs from any account
[00:39:03] Dagmar: No suid binaries needed
[00:39:40] Dagmar: This is very bad for people with high levels of network exposure
[00:39:58] dtm: Dagmar: which would be most relevant to a hosting environment that's foolish enough to expose /proc to users
[00:39:59] jammyd: No, it's very bad for people with untrusted local user accounts
[00:40:02] scopeuk: eg shared hosting server?
[00:40:19] dtm: i.e. to not use 'mount --bind' and/or kernel ACL
[00:41:26] Dagmar: dtm: Shows whta you know
[00:41:39] Dagmar: If /proc exists at all, the exploit can abuse it
[00:41:47] Dagmar: EVen if you can't go browsing proc.
[00:42:03] Dagmar: It abuses /proc/self/environ, which the local user *always* owns
[00:42:08] GreyFoxx: Cool
[00:42:15] ** GreyFoxx tests the exploit **
[00:42:19] dtm: Dagmar: ok so how would that be activated even in the parent root
[00:42:25] dtm: where it could be mounted
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[00:42:49] dtm: Dagmar: and, again, that'd be covered by a kernel ACL. everything is.
[00:43:02] dtm: like selinux and grsec and such
[00:43:04] jammyd: doesn't work on my 2.6 kernel
[00:44:00] scopeuk: jammyd if its the one im thinkign of it has to be above a certai nrevision of 2.6
[00:44:03] scopeuk: 2.6.13 i belive
[00:44:13] jammyd: libgtk-x11–2.0.a
[00:44:15] jammyd: doh
[00:44:20] jammyd: ** Author: h00lyshit
[00:44:20] jammyd: ** Vulnerable: Linux 2.6 ALL
[00:44:21] jammyd: ** Type of Vulnerability: Local Race
[00:44:49] Dagmar: Give it a long filename to work with
[00:45:03] jammyd: long filename, or big file?
[00:45:04] GreyFoxx: Doesn'twork for me either
[00:45:14] jammyd: source code says big file
[00:45:24] ** GreyFoxx tries a another name **
[00:45:34] Dagmar: dtm: Read the writeup on the bug.
[00:45:41] Dagmar: The exploit is not the same thing as the bug
[00:45:54] GreyFoxx: sh-3.00$ id
[00:45:54] GreyFoxx: uid=1000(mythtv) gid=100(users) groups=10(wheel),100(users)
[00:45:55] GreyFoxx: sh-3.00$ whoami
[00:45:55] GreyFoxx: mythtv
[00:46:08] GreyFoxx: no luck getting root for me
[00:46:24] scopeuk: does it get root or root privilages
[00:46:37] scopeuk: eg your still id'ed as mythtv but have root access permisions
[00:46:39] Dagmar: Yes, unless cores are kept out of the users hands
[00:47:30] Dagmar: id doesn't lie
[00:48:03] Dagmar: Read the link and associated threads if you want to know more
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[00:48:16] scopeuk: ill admit graciously to knowing sod all about linuxsecurity
[00:49:50] jammyd: "here again the c0de in body – I dunno whether it made it through the
[00:49:50] jammyd: scrubbing. Normally I use telnet to SMTP port to write mails so I'm
[00:49:51] jammyd: pretty lost using yahoo. apologise for incovenience. "
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[00:49:59] jammyd: man, (s)he's so cool.
[00:50:05] jammyd: I wish I was that cool.
[00:50:08] jammyd: It'd be cool.
[00:50:15] scopeuk: http://seclists.org/lists/fulldisclosure/2006/Jul/0319.html
[00:50:53] jammyd: Ah, works here
[00:50:58] jammyd: I had the path wrong
[00:52:29] scopeuk: i cant bebothered to start a linux box up
[00:52:54] scopeuk: then again id not get it compile any way it doesent have a make script
[00:53:02] jammyd: lol
[00:53:13] jammyd: you don't need a make script for something that simple
[00:53:15] GreyFoxx: uhhh
[00:53:20] scopeuk: me and compilers dont get on
[00:53:21] GreyFoxx: it's a one liner
[00:53:30] GreyFoxx: and the command is in the top of the source
[00:53:33] scopeuk: yeh if you even know what your compiler is called
[00:54:00] GreyFoxx: gcc
[00:54:19] GreyFoxx: Seriously, you might reconsider using linux if you don't know that ;)
[00:54:36] scopeuk: i use linux for speciality jobs where windows isent suitable
[00:54:44] scopeuk: im still a drone when it comes to that respect
[00:54:48] scopeuk: what ever gets the job done
[00:54:50] GreyFoxx: I've triedthe exploit on 3 boxes , and so far no root access
[00:54:54] scopeuk: jsut jsut dont build from source much
[00:55:13] jammyd: GreyFoxx: works for me on 2.6.13
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[00:55:19] scopeuk: there is a kenal option that has to be enabled
[00:55:22] jammyd: do you get any errors?
[00:55:40] GreyFoxx: jamy: no errors. Just a shell running as my normal user
[00:55:49] scopeuk: you need a.out support in kernel for the c0de to work but the bug can
[00:55:50] jammyd: kernel version?
[00:55:59] GreyFoxx: 2.6.16.9, 2.6.14.3 and 2.6.12.5
[00:56:04] GreyFoxx: It didn't work on any of them
[00:56:06] scopeuk: be exploited otherwise
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[01:18:07] scopeuk: works nicly on knoppmyth
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[01:22:56] scopeuk: any way im off night guys
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[01:23:52] kgbudz: any word when 19.1 will be ready on yum?
[01:24:00] kgbudz: or the next release after .19
[01:25:20] Mattwj2005: is there a way to use only one tuner at a time?
[01:26:11] kgbudz: why?
[01:27:00] Mattwj2005: because my pcHDTV-5500 can only record HDTV or Analog at a time
[01:27:21] Mattwj2005: but MythTV sees them as separate tuners
[01:27:36] kgbudz: im sure there is a solution to this
[01:28:02] Mattwj2005: hopefully :)
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[01:36:53] d3ity: alrighty
[01:37:03] d3ity: I have procured the appropriate serial cable
[01:37:06] d3ity: now, LIRC!
[01:38:45] Speedy2: d3ity: irw is helpful in debugging lirc
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[01:39:34] Mattwj2005: anyone have any ideas on my problem?
[01:48:48] emja: where do I find the script that myth executes for importing/ripping DVDs?
[01:49:21] GreyFoxx: It doesn't use a script
[01:49:30] emja: oh
[01:49:40] emja: well, dvd importing is failing for me. I'm trying to debug it
[01:49:48] emja: any pointers?
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[01:51:11] xris: ok, I think fedora runs something that f's up my xorg.conf file on boot
[01:51:44] emja: xris: why?
[01:51:56] xris: why do I think that, or why does it do it?
[01:51:59] emja: xris: not that i'm loikely to be much help, but X on my fc5 machine is fine
[01:52:13] emja: why/how does it do it?
[01:52:14] xris: emja: only affects my tv-out
[01:52:18] xris: no idea
[01:52:24] emja: what effect?
[01:52:59] xris: something is adding "### Comment all HorizSync and VertSync values to use DDC:" to various sections of the file, changing the spacing, etc.
[01:53:24] emja: are you manually running system-config-display?
[01:53:39] xris: no
[01:54:00] emja: are you changing your display settings within X (kde, gnome, whatever)?
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[01:54:41] xris: nah. this happens at boot
[01:54:44] emja: weird
[01:54:51] xris: yeah
[01:54:53] alsoconfused: xris: is there /etc/init.d/nv*
[01:55:14] xris: alsoconfused: yup
[01:55:31] alsoconfused: ditch it
[01:55:59] xris: thx
[01:56:04] xris: figured it was something nvidia-related
[01:56:07] b^2: kinda off topic, my mouse isn't showing up in X. I have /dev/input/mice as the mouse device in my xorg.conf file. when i cat /dev/input/mice and move my mouse around i get junk to the screen so it is working. I don't see any errors in my /var/log/Xorg.log.0. any ideas?
[01:56:08] emja: so do i, but no problems
[01:56:38] emja: xris: I have /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx, but no problems with X
[01:56:46] RandomDude15: is it possible for me to allow remote hosts to connect to mythtv server?
[01:57:02] xris: RandomDude15: how remote?
[01:57:45] xris: emja: are you doing anything wacky? is that script enabled?
[01:57:46] RandomDude15: outside USA
[01:58:04] ** emja is not clever enough to do anything whacky **
[01:58:43] xris: emja: my point, then...
[01:58:54] emja: xris: i think it is enabled
[01:59:09] xris: RandomDude15: assuming you're in the US, it wouldn't be practical
[01:59:21] xris: you'd need a killer internet connection on both ends, and it'd be illegal
[02:00:12] RandomDude15: but can it be done?
[02:00:36] emja: RandomDude15: anything *can* be done, given enough time and money
[02:00:47] xris: RandomDude15: tcp/ip is tcp/ip.
[02:00:48] emja: RandomDude15: not everything is practical though  ;-)
[02:01:25] emja: RandomDude15: ask youself what the bandwidth requirements are for dvd video
[02:01:28] alsoconfused: b^2: if you want to paste your xorg.conf somewhere i'll take a peek
[02:01:39] xris: alsoconfused: it's working now.
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[02:02:38] alsoconfused: xris: dual-head?
[02:02:52] RandomDude15: good point
[02:02:54] xris: alsoconfused: yeah
[02:03:04] alsoconfused: xris: what was the key?
[02:03:06] xris: I killed all of the tv-specific commands and itjust started working
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[02:03:38] emja: ahh yes, nvideo drivers auto-detect tv & monitor on boot
[02:03:51] RandomDude15: ok but what if I just want average video at like 340kbps and 320x240
[02:03:56] sphery: jcsmith: If you're still looking for how to delete all LiveTV, go to Watch Recordings or Delete Recordings and change the group to LiveTV (using M, I think). Then hit M while on the LiveTV group (left column) and Add this group to the Playlist. Then use M to get to Playlist Options and Delete.
[02:04:05] xris: RandomDude15: it's ILLEGAL. no one here will help you do it.
[02:05:03] RandomDude15: ok I get it now.
[02:05:04] b^2: alsoconfused, sure, one sec
[02:06:23] b^2: alsoconfused, http://channels.debian.net/paste2/3143
[02:08:46] alsoconfused: b^2: in the serverlayout section, my xorg.conf has InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
[02:09:18] jcsmith: sphery: thanks, but i'm kind of looking for a way to script it
[02:09:25] alsoconfused: b^2 that should have read: InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
[02:09:27] b^2: alsoconfused, oh dang
[02:09:33] b^2: grr
[02:09:54] b^2: alsoconfused, i am going to go hide in a corner if that is it
[02:10:26] alsoconfused: like a mouse?
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[02:11:21] b^2: alsoconfused, oops, pasted wrong xorg.conf. one sec
[02:13:46] b^2: alsoconfused, http://channels.debian.net/paste2/3144
[02:15:31] alsoconfused: b^2: maybe you need to set the protocol?
[02:15:55] alsoconfused: it also seems strange that you have "ZAxisMapping" in the keyboard section
[02:16:46] alsoconfused: do you think the mouse might be working but you just can't see the cursor?
[02:16:51] emja: can anyone point me to how to debug problems with dvd importing? I can't find a relevant log, a script, command line, anything.
[02:16:57] b^2: alsoconfused, that may be
[02:17:11] b^2: alsoconfused, how would i find out
[02:17:32] emja: b^2: alt-tab to another program?
[02:17:56] emja: mouse mighth appear over t*that* prog
[02:17:56] Anduin: emja: run mtd in a console with mtd -n
[02:17:57] Cardoe: xris: any reason why I get a white area on the bottom of the screen when I first go to mythweb?
[02:17:59] b^2: emja, i don't have any programs started
[02:18:06] alsoconfused: hit m-3 on the desktop maybe
[02:18:06] b^2: could see waht i can do
[02:18:07] emja: Anduin: many thanks
[02:18:11] xris: Cardoe: browser bug
[02:18:16] alsoconfused: xeyes?
[02:18:29] Anduin: emja: Odds are it is a dvdnav read error.
[02:18:31] Cardoe: xris: latest firefox
[02:18:55] Anduin: emja: And there should be an mtd.log in your dvd rip dir.
[02:18:57] emja: Anduin: it generally reads around 2.5Gb of the disc, then dies
[02:19:02] emja: Anduin: ahh... thanks
[02:19:07] xris: Cardoe: still. it's a known bug. alt-tab and it goes away
[02:19:14] Cardoe: k
[02:19:19] xris: or rather, force the window to redraw
[02:19:28] Anduin: emja: Yeah, bad disc probably (yes even if it imports with other tools).
[02:19:38] emja: Anduin: multiple discs
[02:20:12] emja: "Error: Couldn't write blocks during a rip. Filesystem size exceeded? Disc full?"
[02:20:28] Anduin: emja: Is it right?
[02:20:32] emja: nope
[02:20:38] emja: 400Gb drive. 250Gb available
[02:20:40] emja: ext3
[02:20:54] b^2: ok, the curser just isn't showing
[02:20:55] Anduin: emja: Nothing else in there?
[02:21:03] emja: Anduin: in the log?
[02:21:09] Anduin: emja: Yeah.
[02:21:23] emja: "job failed: job dvd 1 1 9 0 -1 /mnt/store/video/PAYCHECK" then moves onto the next job
[02:21:33] emja: smaller track works
[02:21:43] emja: ten minute track seems to be working fine
[02:21:54] Anduin: emja: distro?
[02:21:57] emja: fc5
[02:22:00] emja: fresh install
[02:22:10] b^2: so my mouse is there, just not showing, any idea how to get it to show up?
[02:22:12] emja: yum install mythtv-suite, as per mythology site
[02:22:23] emja: (http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php)
[02:23:47] xris: b^2: in mythtv?
[02:23:57] b^2: xris, no
[02:24:12] alsoconfused: b^2: there's some option to disable "hwcursor"
[02:24:13] b^2: xris, working on getting X working again before i mess with myth again
[02:24:29] alsoconfused: b^2: apparently it's needed with some cards
[02:24:50] b^2: alsoconfused, i have no cursers, hardware curser disable usually is if 2 cursers show up
[02:25:10] b^2: alsoconfused, am i incorrect?
[02:25:18] b^2: alsoconfused, i guess i can try that
[02:25:33] alsoconfused: one way to find out
[02:26:24] alsoconfused: one million monkeys at typewriters would eventually create a working xorg.conf :)
[02:26:57] DrMitch: i believe it's 3 monkey's
[02:27:14] alsoconfused: hear, see and speak?
[02:27:52] Anduin: emja: hmm, MTDRipSize =?
[02:28:04] emja: Anduin: where do I find that?
[02:28:07] emja: env variable?
[02:28:16] Anduin: emja: rip size setting
[02:28:34] emja: Anduin: sorry, where?
[02:29:24] Anduin: emja: DVD Settings | Rip Settings second page, segment setting
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[02:30:58] emja: Anduin: 'ripped video segments = zero
[02:31:08] emja: Anduin: there is no size setting
[02:31:18] Anduin: emja: That is a good thing, can't explain it then.
[02:32:04] emja: Anduin: maybe I should set it to 10 or something. the individual files would then be small enough. maybe. what do you think?
[02:32:38] b^2: alsoconfused, i tried all the [hw/sw]cursor options and it didn't make a difference
[02:32:53] Anduin: emja: I think it should work as is, you are absolutely sure that you have enough space? Which quality setting are you using?
[02:33:01] emja: damn. found it
[02:33:09] ** emja whacks head on desk repeatedly **
[02:33:18] Anduin: not enough space in video dir?
[02:33:23] b^2: i hate X so verry verry much
[02:33:24] emja: Anduin: you got it!
[02:33:33] Anduin: emja: See, we were about to get there.
[02:33:35] alsoconfused: b^2: no luck there?
[02:33:39] emja: Anduin: *that* directory is on a smaller drive, along with the o/s
[02:33:39] b^2: alsoconfused, nope
[02:33:43] emja: Anduin: I am so sorry
[02:34:01] alsoconfused: does the default 'X' cursor show up when X is starting?
[02:34:08] Anduin: emja: Yeah, perfect and ISO rips go there.
[02:34:19] b^2: alsoconfused, not that i have seen
[02:34:51] alsoconfused: b^2: are you in runlevel 3 and starting X manually?
[02:34:52] b^2: alsoconfused, though my screen is messed up due to the fact that i can't get it to display on my tv centered
[02:35:05] b^2: alsoconfused, actually using gdm to do it
[02:35:42] alsoconfused: b^2: i'd drop to runlevel 3 and try running X directly. i.e. no gdm, no startx
[02:37:03] b^2: alsoconfused, that doesn't make it any better
[02:37:08] b^2: alsoconfused, no cursor at all
[02:37:39] alsoconfused: which graphics card?
[02:37:57] b^2: alsoconfused, its a GeForce2 Ti
[02:38:03] b^2: i am using the open driver
[02:38:24] b^2: alsoconfused, the propriatary one makes my tv show nothing
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[02:44:24] pab: Hi, hope someone can help. When I run nuvexport --transcode from a FE only computer, the recordings show up and everything seems to proceed properly. 5hrs later it's done...but no video. Any ideas?
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[02:49:55] sphery: Cardoe: (and xris) You need to force a reload of the CSS to get rid of the white on bottom of MythWeb
[02:50:46] xris: sphery: or force the window to redraw
[02:51:46] sphery: Yeah. Works too. I thought it came back after restarting the browser if you just resized or something, though.
[02:52:12] sphery: Don't remember how much I explored it, though.
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[02:52:22] sphery: May be confused.
[02:52:32] libolt: I'm getting "Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION:" from both mythweb and mythfrontend. I've tried restarting mythbackend etc
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[02:53:47] sphery: libolt: You this guy? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/213357#213357
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[02:54:50] sphery: libolt: Did you try a reboot ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/213421#213421 )
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[02:55:27] libolt: nope that's not me, I did earlier I'll try another one
[02:55:32] sphery: If you're not that guy, make sure you have the exact same version (same revision, even) of mythtv, mythplugins, and mythweb installed on /all/ hosts
[02:57:54] libolt: I'm using the debian-multimedia.org packages, I run the frontend on the same system as the backend
[02:58:05] libolt: reboot didn't do anything
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[03:00:04] libolt: ah fixed it by changing the master ip from localhost to the localnet ip
[03:00:21] Led-Hed: is there a way to sort MythGame roms alphabetically?
[03:02:33] libolt: though now I need to figure out why mythtranscode's gone to hell and is re-encoding everything in poor quality again even though I've changed the max/min quality settings and everything was working fine
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[03:14:34] emja: Anduin: thanks for the help earlier. all ok now.
[03:15:02] Anduin: emja: Good to hear, no one is allowed to find bugs in mtd anyway.
[03:15:13] emja: heh. and why is that?
[03:15:28] Anduin: It creates unnecessary work.
[03:15:29] emja: let me guess, you're one of the developers?
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[03:16:35] Anduin: emja: No, it mostly just works for people, the dir thing and the segment settings and the odd weird DVD that there are not transcode params for, that is about it.
[03:17:04] emja: yeah. the problem should have been obvious to me.
[03:17:19] Anduin: It does need better error reporting.
[03:17:49] emja: on the main screen, yes. but the log was pretty concise
[03:22:30] d3ity: hey guys, how do i tell what com port my serial port is? For LIRC
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[03:28:34] DrMitch: does myth (particularly transcoding) take advantage of a 64bit system?
[03:28:43] DrMitch: or would it be better to go with 32bit?
[03:28:55] Tom7e: anyone have a clue what could be causing this error when trying to run mythfilldatabase? http://pastebin.ca/88568
[03:29:45] DrMitch: yea
[03:29:55] DrMitch: the table doesn't exist
[03:30:33] GeeKman: seems like the DB wasn't set up quite right when you installed
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[03:37:59] DrMitch: does myth (particularly transcoding) take advantage of a 64bit system?
[03:38:02] alsoconfused: d3ity: time to test the receiver?
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[03:39:51] Mattwj2005: good evening everyoone :)
[03:39:55] Mattwj2005: *everyone
[03:40:20] Speedy2: d3ity: How many com ports do you have?
[03:40:46] Speedy2: I'd say just try ttyS0, ttyS1
[03:40:56] alsoconfused: [adam@asn logs]$
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[03:41:02] Speedy2: d3ity: You read the docs on if you have kernel support for the serial port, you have to do setserial ttySx none, right?
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[04:01:21] mrchilly: what's up all
[04:01:57] mrchilly: is there a lirc channel? or can someone help me figure out why I only have /dev/lircd and no other lirc files?
[04:02:28] test34: mrchilly, I have the same problem since I upgraded my kernel
[04:03:09] test34: I rebuilt it with the new kernel source and it doesnt work
[04:03:44] mrchilly: I've googled it about 10 times now...haven't found anything...maybe I need to ~x86 the emerge..might not have the new lirc...who knows
[04:04:40] test34: did you check the logs in /var/log
[04:04:50] mrchilly: bah...it's just not creating the file
[04:06:08] mrchilly: same thing...could not get file info for /dev/lirc/0
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[04:08:27] prologic: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NVIDIA-GeForce-FX5200- . . . cmdZViewItem <-- this car definately have xvmc ?
[04:09:22] alsoconfused: mrchilly: that problem seems to come up a lot. i've always just manually created the device with mknod
[04:11:37] mrchilly: lemme go try that
[04:11:52] RandomDude15: hey
[04:13:15] test34: mrchilly, I just did rm /lib/modules/2.6.17.4/misc/lirc* and than re-did make install and it created them
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[04:14:00] alsoconfused: test34: i think it's the device node he's missing, not the modules
[04:14:16] test34: alsoconfused, I was too...
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[04:20:22] test34: even if its not missing now, lircd gets killed when I start irxevent or irw
[04:20:33] emja: how do I identify which kernel module my remote uses, and therefore what line to put in modprobe.conf (or /etc/modprobe.d/blah)??
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[04:29:55] mrchilly: that didn't work for me...I've never used mknod so I'm lost on that one
[04:31:16] alsoconfused: mrchilly: what kind of remote is it?
[04:31:44] mrchilly: hauppauge grey and black
[04:32:04] alsoconfused: are lirc_i2c and lirc_dev modules loaded?
[04:33:01] mrchilly: yep
[04:33:08] alsoconfused: ivtv also
[04:34:19] mrchilly: yep
[04:34:41] alsoconfused: grep -i remote /proc/devices
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[04:35:14] tivo1: greetings all...
[04:35:23] alsoconfused: what's a tivo?
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[04:35:35] tivo1: i was wondering if someone could help me out, getting jumpoints working with my remote
[04:35:48] tivo1: irony
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[04:36:12] xris: alsoconfused: so I need that init.d script to run. but it ruins the tv-out portion of my xorg.conf (surprisingly by adding COMMENTS that mess it up).. so chmod 444 on my xorg.conf and it's all happy. blech.
[04:36:50] mrchilly: 61 baseremotectl
[04:36:56] mrchilly: that'swhat the grep told me
[04:37:16] tivo1: i know i have the buttons in my lircd.conf file.. but not sure i have things set up correctly other places...ir lircrc for a jumppoint...
[04:38:09] alsoconfused: mrchilly: mkdir -p /dev/lirc;mknod /dev/lirc/0 c 61 0
[04:40:30] mrchilly: blech
[04:40:51] mrchilly: could not open /dev/lirc/0 ran as root...
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[04:42:26] alsoconfused: mrchilly: ls -l /dev/lirc/0
[04:43:03] test34: I get the same problem as you mrchilly even if the device node is created and I run: lircd -d /dev/lirc0 (crw-r--r-- 1 root root 61, 0 2006-07–15 00:39 lirc0)
[04:44:03] mrchilly: yeah./...it keeps killin it....looks like crw-rw-rw-
[04:45:27] alsoconfused: cat /dev/lirc/0
[04:46:07] test34: cat: /dev/lirc0: No such device
[04:46:43] alsoconfused: same for you mrchilly ?
[04:47:04] tivo1: what about me
[04:47:22] alsoconfused: take a number
[04:47:31] tivo1: ill take number 1
[04:47:33] tivo1: ;)
[04:47:43] alsoconfused: currently serving # -42
[04:48:20] tivo1: dangit... ohh wait i also have # -41 and # -43
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[04:48:37] User17: does anyone have a wintv pvr 150 on gentoo?
[04:48:38] alsoconfused: test34: you are also using and ivtv based remote?
[04:49:28] test34: same remote I think.. with PVR-250... same modules: lirc_i2c lirc_dev
[04:49:28] gutano: User17: same concepts generaly apply accross distro's
[04:49:38] alsoconfused: test34: okay, same as me
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[04:50:41] mrchilly: gentoo here...getting the 350 and mythtv was cake
[04:50:56] mrchilly: it's the remote that sucks
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[04:51:39] test34: I get this in my logs: lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61
[04:51:55] User17: i am having a pain in the ass trying to get my pvr 150 working
[04:51:59] mrchilly: no...I'm looking to get it to work
[04:52:04] User17: i am running gentoo 64 bit
[04:52:15] gutano: User17: what kernel version?
[04:52:25] User17: 2.6.15-r7
[04:52:32] User17: with ivtv 0.4.5
[04:52:32] gutano: ivtv version?
[04:52:43] gutano: I had luck with 0.4.2 out of portage
[04:52:53] alsoconfused: test34 and mrchilly try rmmod ivtv i2c_algo_bit videodev lirc_i2c lirc_dev tuner tveeprom saa7115 msp3400; modprobe lirc_i2c && modprobe ivtv && modprobe lirc_dev
[04:52:59] User17: portage wouldn't let me
[04:53:25] User17: well when cat /dev/video0 i get infinit garbage
[04:53:30] gutano: if you want to run same route I did...'echo >=media-tv/ivtv-0.4.3 >> /etc/portage/package.mask'
[04:53:38] test34: I have bttv loaded also
[04:53:53] alsoconfused: test34 and mrchilly repeat the rmmod as needed until all modules are removed, and add bttv to the list
[04:54:07] RandomDude15: hey how do I fix this error?
[04:54:09] RandomDude15: Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/init.php on line 54
[04:54:29] mrchilly: bttv is already on there...
[04:54:30] test34: alsoconfused, ok
[04:54:38] Anduin: RandomDude15: install whatever php mysql package you need
[04:54:50] RandomDude15: mysql is working
[04:54:55] RandomDude15: I know for a fact
[04:54:58] RandomDude15: I can get in phpmyadmin
[04:55:07] gutano: User17: oof
[04:55:18] tivo1: whats line 54 say?
[04:55:21] gutano: User17: nm, they must have removed all below 0.4.5 recently
[04:55:29] RandomDude15: nvm
[04:55:33] RandomDude15: its screwed up
[04:55:35] RandomDude15: check it out
[04:55:41] gutano: User17: you pretty sure you have all the kernel modules you need?
[04:55:42] User17: yea i think so
[04:55:42] RandomDude15: http://24.27.200.3
[04:55:56] alsoconfused: RandomDude15: sounds like a problem with php configuration. maybe missing php-mysql package?
[04:55:56] User17: yea i dmesg | grep ivtv
[04:56:12] User17: and there is no failed modules loads.. bc i did have that once
[04:56:19] test34: alsoconfused, same problem
[04:56:31] User17: and if there was a failed module.. i should get inifinit garabge cat /dev/video0
[04:56:50] gutano: User17: you have all your video multimedia stuff as modules? (the ivtv package replaces some of them when you install)
[04:56:51] alsoconfused: test34: any messages in dmesg after the modprobe ?
[04:56:58] User17: how there was two things that did concern me in dmesg
[04:57:23] gutano: pastebin your dmesg after load (no grepping out lines)
[04:57:25] test34: alsoconfused, here's the dmesg output: http://rafb.net/paste/results/SG48LM17.html
[04:57:53] gutano: don't need whole thing.. but things that are new after module load
[04:58:02] User17: alright yet me see if i can go get onto my computer, my dad was using it
[04:58:09] ** gutano nods **
[05:00:00] alsoconfused: test34: it shows ivtv loading before lirc_i2c. I think it needs to happen in the other order
[05:00:43] test34: alsoconfused, lirc_dev is the first line
[05:00:47] alsoconfused: test34: near as i can figure, if lirc_i2c isn't present, ivtv won't be able to register the remote control
[05:01:19] alsoconfused: test34: but where is lirc_i2c ?
[05:01:33] test34: lirc_i2c isnt loaded at the same time as lirc_dev ?
[05:01:49] alsoconfused: i think you want to load lirc_i2c first
[05:02:10] Anduin: You want lirc_i2c second
[05:02:22] test34: if I load lirc_i2c by itself when everything is unloaded, it automatically load everything
[05:02:45] alsoconfused: Anduin: lirc_dev first?
[05:03:04] User17: just one sec i have to fix the boot loader
[05:03:08] alsoconfused: this works for me: modprobe lirc_i2c && modprobe ivtv && modprobe lirc_dev
[05:03:08] Anduin: alsoconfused: These days lirc_i2c should have a dependency on _dev
[05:03:37] alsoconfused: okay
[05:03:45] test34: maybe I should downgrade to kernel 2.6.16.x
[05:03:58] alsoconfused: am i correct that lirc_i2c must be present when ivtv loads?
[05:04:11] Anduin: test34: You are running lirc CVS on newer kernels right
[05:04:11] Anduin: ?
[05:04:18] Anduin: alsoconfused: Nope.
[05:04:41] test34: Anduin, lirc-0.8.1-CVS
[05:06:55] Anduin: test34: Yeah, depends on when that was checked out as they are all going to be 0_8_1pres for now.
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[05:07:38] test34: Anduin, I will try to go get the latest one
[05:07:56] Anduin: test34: You are running ivtv .7?
[05:08:31] test34: Anduin, yes
[05:08:38] User17: gutano u still in here?
[05:08:55] Anduin: test34: Make sure you have the latest lirc, or set the old i2c behavior for ivtv.
[05:09:03] gutano: User17: aye, been coding all day... kinda sad I'm still here
[05:09:34] User17: alright... sorry its taking so long to get that dmesg
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[05:09:51] gutano: np
[05:10:03] test34: Anduin, I will try the latest lirc
[05:10:06] tivo1: anyone want to help me get jumppoints working?
[05:11:14] User17: gutano how can i copy all even if it is not shown on the screen?
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[05:11:31] gutano: dmesg > file.txt
[05:11:49] gutano: you don't need the whole thing
[05:11:55] gutano: just from where it stopped from booting
[05:11:58] gutano: and the end
[05:12:10] gutano: use a pastebin
[05:12:28] gutano: well.. I don't care if you PM it ot me either
[05:13:10] User17: pastebin??
[05:13:30] gutano: website that allows short term storage of text... pastebin.ca
[05:13:42] gutano: after you post, it will give you a link to hand out
[05:14:03] gutano: keeps irc free of clutter, so people can keep up on their conversations without scrolling back 10 pages =D
[05:14:55] User17: oo yea... i am just using x11
[05:15:17] gutano: send it to me in a personal msg then
[05:15:44] gutano: '/msg gutano <tons of crap>
[05:16:00] gutano: that might not work right with newlines....
[05:16:06] gutano: what client are you using?
[05:16:20] User17: yea..... i am current on a windows system chattig
[05:16:25] gutano: ahhh
[05:16:33] tivo1: ahh i see... got to play with mythconverg... can i use a key thats in use somewhere else? as long as its not in global?
[05:16:43] gutano: can you get it to a file.... dmesg > file.txt and put it on a http site?
[05:16:46] gutano: lol
[05:16:57] User17: yea like me try that
[05:17:38] gutano: an 'lsmod >> file.txt' would be nice before you spend alot of time doing it again (will append it to end of file)
[05:18:28] User17: do u know of a goot ftp client?
[05:18:34] gutano: ftp
[05:18:43] gutano: if you have a graphical setup... gftp is nice
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[05:19:35] User17: alright i will emerge i have m y own site so just give me a few more secs.. anything else i should include
[05:19:44] d3ity: hey all, got a few lirc questions for you guys, anyone have experience with homebrew recievers and the proper care and feeding of them?
[05:19:54] gutano: dmesg / lsmod should be good for now
[05:20:03] User17: alright
[05:20:04] d3ity: I've built mine and it appears to work (power on the appropriate parts)
[05:20:15] d3ity: but I can't get mode2 to give me anything
[05:21:20] d3ity: if someone could help me configure this puppy I'd appreciate it
[05:22:04] test34: Anduin, alsoconfused , I got it to work with the latest CVS version, thanks for your help
[05:22:09] User17: i have forgotten how do you transfer in ftp.. lol
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[05:24:04] gutano: which client? ftp?
[05:24:09] User17: yea
[05:24:11] gutano: ftp <site>
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[05:24:18] gutano: you can login?
[05:24:22] User17: yea i am in the site
[05:24:23] gutano: put
[05:24:26] gutano: put <file>
[05:24:27] test34: hash; binary; get
[05:24:54] gutano: or prompt; mput * =D
[05:25:53] User17: http://www.unrooting.com/files/
[05:26:47] User17: u have to get file and file2
[05:27:45] gutano: how are you attempting to use /dev/video0?
[05:27:50] User17: yes
[05:28:03] User17: i have tried mplayer /dev/video0
[05:28:22] User17: i get alot of static..
[05:28:34] User17: i maybe have the wrong channel selected
[05:28:38] gutano: and you are on a known good cable line?
[05:28:50] gutano: ie... not antennae
[05:28:53] User17: well it is coming from a box
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[05:29:00] User17: so it has to be on channel 3
[05:29:33] User17: its coming from a directtv box
[05:29:35] gutano: have you tried changing hte channel with ivtv tools?
[05:29:48] User17: ivtv-tune -c ??
[05:30:01] User17: is that correct?
[05:30:06] gutano: ivtv-tune -c3 ivtv --channel=3
[05:30:50] gutano: ?
[05:30:53] User17: it works.... that is weird
[05:30:56] gutano: !
[05:31:00] gutano: you get video?
[05:31:04] User17: bc i did that last night and it didn
[05:31:08] User17: yep i got video
[05:31:09] gutano: no ' '
[05:31:16] User17: !!
[05:31:25] gutano: yeah, weird
[05:31:33] gutano: compilers, and ivtv-tune
[05:31:34] gutano: hehe
[05:31:49] User17: the only thing i did was installed it in xindows this mroning
[05:32:01] User17: well let me try it in mythtv
[05:32:17] alsoconfused: tivo1: any luck?
[05:33:16] User17: in mythtv i still get a black screen when i try to watch tv
[05:33:30] gutano: 3 <return>
[05:34:15] gutano: if no luck, shutdown backend and open mythtv-setup again, read off card settings
[05:34:22] User17: and i am going to check the mythtv-setup also
[05:36:03] User17: ok 3 return didn't do it
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[05:36:41] User17: going into setup right now
[05:37:03] User17: what setting do you want me to read out to you?
[05:37:19] gutano: go into the tuner... *tries to think of correct menu terminology*
[05:37:21] gutano: brb, heh
[05:37:26] User17: alright
[05:39:26] gutano: 'capture card' area
[05:40:00] User17: MPEG:/dev/v4l/video0
[05:40:12] d3ity: anyone? lirc?
[05:40:22] User17: Card Type: MEPG-2 Encoder card (PVR-x50,PVR-500)
[05:40:25] gutano: open the device..
[05:40:25] gutano: yeah
[05:40:29] gutano: keep goin
[05:40:33] User17: video device /dev/v4l/video0
[05:40:41] User17: default input tTuner
[05:41:01] gutano: ok, skip next menu item (tv guide data think iirc)
[05:41:14] gutano: and make sure your guide source is attached to this tuner
[05:41:28] User17: video source or input connection?
[05:41:52] ** gutano decides to just leave mythtv-setup open if he can't remeber these things **
[05:41:55] User17: MPEG:/dev/v4l/video0} (Tuner) -> Cable
[05:42:00] gutano: input connections
[05:42:20] User17: Capture Device {Mpeg /dev/v4l/video0} Input Tuner
[05:42:21] gutano: when you go into it, does it have a starting channel? or say add channels?
[05:42:33] User17: Starting Chanell: 3
[05:42:39] gutano: hrrrm..
[05:42:52] User17: Scan Chanells and fetch channel from listing source
[05:43:03] User17: input preference : 0
[05:43:26] gutano: input priority you mean?
[05:43:40] User17: well mine says inout preference
[05:43:50] ** gutano shrugs **
[05:43:56] gutano: check the channel editor quick
[05:43:58] User17: it is in the info for connect source to input
[05:44:13] User17: the channel editor has a long list of channels
[05:44:24] User17: oo but i haven't add channel 3
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[05:44:43] gutano: sometimes it' not sorted by channel number
[05:44:51] gutano: if it's listed as starting channel.....
[05:44:53] User17: yea its not
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[05:45:11] User17: its buy abc
[05:45:19] User17: but i just get a channel scan
[05:45:26] User17: and it found channel 3 and 14
[05:45:32] ** gutano nods **
[05:45:39] gutano: 14
[05:45:40] gutano: o.O
[05:45:43] ** gutano shrugs **
[05:46:33] User17: i think i may have it
[05:46:35] User17: one sec
[05:46:53] ** d3ity pokes for lirc **
[05:47:17] User17: still back screen
[05:47:46] gutano: =/ I'm not really too keen on how to have guide data for a source, but pipe all source through channel 3
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[05:48:13] gutano: but I think your getting close, probably best to ask about it when the channel is a little more lively
[05:48:15] d3ity: lirc? anyone with a serial port reciever?
[05:48:22] User17: yea i think i'm going to try that... this is for when i go to colelge i have cable there
[05:48:31] ** gutano nods **
[05:48:55] gutano: getting 'mplayer /dev/video0' to work is the hardest part imho
[05:50:20] User17: yea.. so it is just getting mythtv set up now
[05:51:49] alsoconfused: d3ity: how far did you get?
[05:52:12] d3ity: alsoconfused, reciever built, serial cable purchased and hooked up, device is getting power all the way through.
[05:52:25] User17: ok i set up a new video source and then did a channel search
[05:52:45] d3ity: now, i Installed lirc, attempted to guess at settings, used setserial, unsure of how to tell which serial port is my DB9 and which is my printer port, so i'm not sure of my IRQ/COM settings
[05:52:56] User17: and it found channel 3 and 14 for some reason and i am having it start with channel 3
[05:53:23] Anduin: d3ity: Odd are you don't have a serial printer (unless you count USB)
[05:53:32] d3ity: Anduin, I've got the port on the back of my box
[05:53:46] d3ity: the old 25 pin beast
[05:53:48] User17: still have get a black screen
[05:53:49] Anduin: d3ity: If you mean a parallel port, I believe it.
[05:54:06] User17: for about 10 secs and then it kicks out to the main screen
[05:54:26] Anduin: User17: Look at the backend/frontend logs
[05:54:29] d3ity: it's a 25 pin port, as opposed to the 9 pin "serial" port
[05:54:45] d3ity: both use similar concepts. so It makes sense both would use the same chipset etc.
[05:54:46] d3ity: anyway.
[05:54:49] Anduin: d3ity: Yes, aka parallel port.
[05:54:52] d3ity: two of those
[05:54:55] d3ity: which one is which
[05:55:18] d3ity: i've got ttyS0 and ttyS1
[05:55:26] User17: Anduin where are those located at?
[05:55:31] d3ity: is there any way to tell which is which
[05:55:39] Anduin: User17: It depends.
[05:55:56] d3ity: Anduin, I got only two or three channels via scan once
[05:56:10] d3ity: and they showed up black
[05:56:25] d3ity: the problem is, in mythtv-setup, I didn't select us-cable, I had us-bcast
[05:56:26] User17: let me try and locate them
[05:57:07] RandomDude15: im having issues compiling mytharchive
[05:58:42] RandomDude15: anyone help?
[05:58:45] RandomDude15: if i explain
[05:58:48] RandomDude15: hang on ill pastebin what I get
[05:59:54] RandomDude15: oh yeah and why do my recording skip every second?
[05:59:58] RandomDude15: when watching em in watch recordings?
[06:00:35] User17: Anduin do you know the file anme of mythbackend
[06:00:44] User17: log
[06:01:10] d3ity: User17, is the problem you're only picking up a few channels?
[06:01:17] d3ity: and that they're showing up black?
[06:01:26] User17: it sould only pick up one channel
[06:01:27] d3ity: or is something crashing on you?
[06:01:36] User17: which is channel 3
[06:01:56] User17: bc it is coming in from a directv receiver
[06:01:59] d3ity: ah.
[06:02:03] d3ity: one of THOSE little gems
[06:02:22] d3ity: i have no experience with such devices, and shall shut up and wait for my LIRC question to be answered
[06:02:35] User17: well its just a pvr 150
[06:02:58] RandomDude15: I want to know why my recording skip like every few seconds
[06:03:02] RandomDude15: when watching em
[06:03:06] RandomDude15: in mythfrontend
[06:03:10] User17: it shouldn't make a different bc i am still having an input... but when i try to watch tv i get a black screen for about 10 sec then kicks me back to the main
[06:03:17] d3ity: RandomDude15, whats your system specs?
[06:03:33] RandomDude15: plays fine in vlc
[06:03:40] RandomDude15: cpu is amd athlon 64 3000+
[06:03:45] d3ity: right, you're good there
[06:03:53] RandomDude15: pvr 150
[06:03:55] d3ity: I'm sure you've got 1GB of ram somewhere
[06:03:58] d3ity: and a 150, thats odd
[06:04:01] RandomDude15: 1.5GB
[06:04:05] RandomDude15: of RAM
[06:04:09] d3ity: this aging athlon xp 3k+ is running it fine on 512
[06:04:13] d3ity: and a 150
[06:04:25] User17: u have a 150 also
[06:04:35] d3ity: yep
[06:04:38] User17: have u ever had this problem with myth?
[06:04:40] d3ity: works like a charm
[06:04:44] User17: i get video in mplayer
[06:04:58] d3ity: User17, then its a problem with either your backend or your setup
[06:05:22] User17: well do u know where the log is at?
[06:05:31] d3ity: User17, couldn't tell ya.
[06:05:36] d3ity: try digging in /var/log
[06:06:23] User17: umm in ur general setting what is ur ip addres for localhost?
[06:06:41] d3ity: theres no place like 127.0.0.1
[06:06:41] User17: i have my actual ip addres bc i am on a network but should it be 127.0.0.1
[06:07:06] d3ity: if your frontend can't reach the backend, that could be the problem
[06:07:09] d3ity: leave it as loopback
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[06:09:23] User17: in my log file i see Running as a slave backend
[06:09:36] User17: could this be my problem?
[06:10:32] User17: ok i change the ip addres for local host and 127.0.0.1 and now my mythback fails
[06:10:58] RandomDude15: im running mythfrontend
[06:11:00] RandomDude15: in a window
[06:11:15] User17: Cable is define but isn't attached to a card input
[06:11:16] RandomDude15: and my res is 1024x768 and I have mythfrontend using 800x600
[06:11:44] User17: unable to open lockfile
[06:12:22] User17: it says /mnt/store/nflockfile.lock Permission denied
[06:12:38] d3ity: alsoconfused, do you happen to have any info that could help me out on my lirc quest?
[06:13:09] User17: is it chmod 770 -R /mnt/store does that change the permissions for all the contents?
[06:13:39] d3ity: User17, if i remember my sytnax right, yeah it should
[06:13:54] alsoconfused: d3ity: not sure which device you should be using, probably /dev/ttyS0
[06:13:55] alsoconfused: d3ity: was it the DTR line that it uses to communicate?
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[06:14:44] d3ity: alsoconfused, DTR?
[06:14:57] User17: ok i got picture
[06:14:58] alsoconfused: d3ity: from the schematic... do you still have the url?
[06:14:59] User17: !!!!!
[06:15:07] User17: thanks for everyones help!!!!!
[06:15:43] sigger_: hrm, can't mount backend. smbtree says "Error connecting to 127.0.0.1 (connection refused)" "cli_full_connection: failed to connect to MYTHTV(20) (127.0.0.1)"
[06:15:54] sigger_: I've given it no reason to look at localhost IP
[06:16:15] d3ity: alsoconfused, yes, hold a second
[06:16:27] User17: when do you get this error?
[06:16:50] sigger_: User17: me?
[06:16:57] User17: yea
[06:17:02] d3ity: alsoconfused, http://www.lirc.org/receivers.html
[06:17:32] sigger_: User17: when I run smbtree to find out why I can't access the share I've attempted to mount (i.e. //MYTHTV/myth)
[06:18:25] sigger_: mounting with mount -t smbfs -o username=mythtv,password=mythtv //MYTHTV/myth /myth after I mkdir /myth
[06:19:35] d3ity: dcd should be it
[06:19:40] d3ity: alsoconfused, DCD is where data goes
[06:20:39] User17: well i got the picture but now no sound?
[06:21:23] User17: in mythtv or in mplayer
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[06:23:55] tummyacid: it says unable to contact master backend server, evenwhen i have itrunning
[06:24:14] alsoconfused: d3ity: have you tried setting lircd to use ttyS0?
[06:24:30] d3ity: alsoconfused, thats what its currently set to do
[06:24:46] alsoconfused: d3ity: you have the lirc modules loaded?
[06:24:57] d3ity: yep
[06:25:07] d3ity: and setserial done as per instructiosn
[06:25:11] d3ity: *instructions
[06:25:16] tummyacid: ive got a fresh debian install and mythtv appears to be finding the correct channels but it is unable to connect to the master backend server
[06:25:36] alsoconfused: d3ity: which instructions are you using?
[06:25:59] d3ity: http://www.lirc.org/html/install.html#testing
[06:27:13] User17: is alsamixer does anyone know how to switch over to capture?
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[06:27:24] User17: i can't seem to remember
[06:28:18] Fnc: does someone know how to configure a remote to jump to the information center?
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[06:28:21] alsoconfused: d3ity: are you getting error messages?
[06:28:31] asd26: where is the real .lircrc file located?
[06:28:43] User17: for somer reason it work let me go to capture of the alsamixer
[06:28:53] asd26: mm /home/mythtv/.lircrc is a link
[06:29:10] Fnc: ls -la will tell you
[06:29:21] Fnc: what it links to
[06:29:22] d3ity: alsoconfused, nope
[06:29:27] d3ity: alsoconfused, I'm just getting...nothing
[06:29:38] asd26: Fnc i deleted it i think
[06:30:02] asd26: then created another one, but i think that file doesn't work if i edit it
[06:30:10] alsoconfused: d3ity: this is when running mode2 ?
[06:30:26] Fnc: "/home/mythtv/.mythtv/lirc
[06:30:29] Fnc: rc
[06:30:38] d3ity: yes
[06:31:18] haj: wonder what this is:
[06:31:18] haj: 2006-07–15 08:06:27.415 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(2048) free(1947)
[06:31:22] haj: 2006-07–15 08:06:29.600 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND end
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[06:33:09] alsoconfused: d3ity: i'm not familiar with that program, but i have a small c program that might help determine if the serial port is seeing any activity on DCD
[06:33:14] d3ity: asd26, supposedly, it should be in /home/~/.lircrc, and should be symlinked somwhere
[06:33:19] d3ity: alsoconfused, send it along
[06:33:33] d3ity: alsoconfused, if you'd like, I can PM you me my email address
[06:33:44] tummyacid: i cannot tell if mythbackend is running
[06:33:49] alsoconfused: d3ity: would i able to paste it in a pm window?
[06:33:51] d3ity: tummyacid, did you start it?
[06:34:01] d3ity: alsoconfused, eh, my client likes to select names, pastebin it
[06:34:26] tummyacid: i did with /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
[06:34:39] alsoconfused: d3ity: http://pastebin.ca/88657
[06:34:45] d3ity: tummyacid, ps -aux | grep mythbackend
[06:34:49] Fnc: tummyacidq: ps aux |grep myth
[06:34:55] Fnc: beat me
[06:35:02] d3ity: Fnc, I work out
[06:35:23] tummyacid: just the grep process
[06:35:30] tummyacid: it would appear not to be running
[06:35:38] asd26: can anyone find where it is linked to?
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[06:35:55] d3ity: alsoconfused, gcc lirc.c lirc would do the compile correct?
[06:36:01] Fnc: happen to know how to set a key on the remote to jump to the information center?
[06:36:09] alsoconfused: d3ity: call that file c.c and change ttyS1 to ttyS0 then run gcc -o watchport c.c
[06:36:22] User17: i am having a problem with my wintv card i get sound when i play an mp3 in xmms but none when i try mplayer /dev/video0 or in mythtv
[06:36:34] alsoconfused: d3ity: use whatever names you like
[06:37:03] User17: nvm fixed
[06:37:31] asd26: nano /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc
[06:37:34] asd26: foun dit
[06:38:57] d3ity: alsoconfused, I called it lirc.c, ran that command, didn't output a file
[06:39:25] alsoconfused: ran which command, gcc?
[06:40:02] d3ity: yeah
[06:40:11] d3ity: all I got was a warning about no final newline
[06:40:42] Dagmar: o.O
[06:40:50] alsoconfused: d3ity: something happened it copying the file from pastebin
[06:41:07] d3ity: yeah, got a bunch of line numbers sadly
[06:41:13] d3ity: had to delete all them
[06:41:57] alsoconfused: d3ity: i should have given the url for "raw" download
[06:41:59] User17: ok i know get sound in mplayer but not mythtv
[06:42:00] Dagmar: You need to specify -o binaryfilename, otherwise it will think both files are meant to be compiled.
[06:42:11] d3ity: oh shit, nevermind
[06:42:15] d3ity: it worked out
[06:42:15] alsoconfused: d3ity: http://pastebin.ca/raw/88657
[06:42:28] d3ity: my own segfault there
[06:42:42] alsoconfused: d3ity: it ran for me
[06:42:49] User17: under audio in gernel setting the audio out device is blank?
[06:42:52] Dagmar: alsoconfused: Ouch. That function might not last very long.
[06:43:08] Dagmar: SOme arsehat is boung to try to use it for remote storage like gmailfs
[06:43:09] d3ity: alsoconfused, I got it to run
[06:43:15] d3ity: says TIOCM_CD is set
[06:43:26] d3ity: however, no ammount of waving my remote in front of it will get it to respond
[06:43:53] alsoconfused: d3ity: change it to the other serial port, recompile and re-run
[06:43:59] d3ity: k
[06:44:07] alsoconfused: Dagmar: do you see something wrong?
[06:44:10] d3ity: would this be completley independant of lirc?
[06:44:32] alsoconfused: d3ity: yeah, just looking at the flow control lines on the serial port
[06:44:39] Dagmar: alsoconfused: With the code, no. With pastebin allowing people to download the raw files, yes
[06:44:50] alsoconfused: Dagmar: ahh
[06:45:02] Dagmar: I suspect maybe that's what's been going wrong with pastebin.com
[06:45:22] alsoconfused: Dagmar: i'd imagine there's a size limit
[06:45:32] d3ity: alsoconfused, nothing
[06:45:42] Dagmar: alsoconfused: gmail has a size limit on emails. That doesn't stop people from using it as a slow 2Gb remote file storage device
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[06:46:07] User17: why does mythtv have anything in my audio outout device
[06:46:07] d3ity: alsoconfused, so.. I reckon this means something about the reciever
[06:46:09] Dagmar: I can understand someone writing it for the pleasure of seeing if they can do it.
[06:46:24] Dagmar: I do not have the slightest clue why the hell people use it on a day-to-day basis
[06:48:04] dtm: Dagmar: they do?!
[06:48:21] Dagmar: Yeah.
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[06:48:37] Dagmar: People that dim are one of the reasons I don't hang in ##Linux anymore
[06:48:57] dtm: Dagmar: i bet it's slower than a real network filesystem
[06:49:03] Dagmar: It's much slower
[06:49:03] dtm: like webdav or somesuch
[06:49:17] Dagmar: Especially since Gmail throttles POP3 connections
[06:49:18] d3ity: why the hell you'd use gmail for large storage is beyond me
[06:49:28] d3ity: I mean, i'll admit, i've emailed a few word documents to myself
[06:49:33] d3ity: but nothing crazy
[06:49:49] dtm: wouldn't it have to use an email message per block?
[06:49:59] Dagmar: What bugs me is they probably wouldn't be throttling pop3 connections if it weren't for those ninnies
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[06:50:00] alsoconfused: d3ity: not sure. if you can manually pull DCD high and low and see it with the prog i gave you, then it would mean there's something wrong with the remote or receiver
[06:50:01] dtm: so you'd have to download or upload an entire email per atomic i/o block
[06:50:21] Dagmar: It chops files to the maximum size gmail will accept
[06:50:26] d3ity: alsoconfused, how would I do that?
[06:50:27] dtm: :-o
[06:50:34] dtm: Dagmar: that's huge, for basic i/o
[06:50:38] d3ity: cross the hot lead with the data?
[06:50:46] dtm: Dagmar: so it'd probably only be for archive like a tape drive
[06:50:55] Fnc: info center???
[06:50:57] dtm: a relatively tiny, ultra slow tape drive
[06:51:06] Dagmar: Most of the time people are _clearly_ using it to hide their mp3 collection, which is pointless.
[06:51:08] dtm: but extremely highly available hehe
[06:51:32] User17: mythtv doesn't seem to see my audio
[06:51:35] Dagmar: I always tell them just to buy a bloody DVD-RW drive
[06:51:36] d3ity: alsoconfused, would something like hooking the power over to the dcd do such a thing safley?
[06:51:53] alsoconfused: d3ity: thru a resistor, yes
[06:52:03] d3ity: through a resistor?
[06:52:04] Dagmar: Twice the storage, much much faster, and not subject to network availability
[06:52:09] dtm: Dagmar: and do they then say that they're waiting for them to be $0
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[06:52:20] Dagmar: dtm: Usually, yes
[06:52:21] d3ity: handy, I got one of those
[06:52:38] Dagmar: dtm: They don't listen to the argument that getting it working is wasting their time, which is as good as wasting even more money
[06:53:06] dtm: Dagmar: yeah i dont really see the wisdom in dictating to someone the value of their time, when they're willing to spend it on such things.
[06:53:24] dtm: that would kind of indicate that it's not quite true
[06:53:34] dtm: somewhat inherently
[06:53:39] Dagmar: ...because it's not their time that they're wasting. They're usually sitting in the support channel trying to get someone to spoon feed the information to them so they don't have to "waste their time" reading the documentation or actually learning anything.
[06:53:41] alsoconfused: d3ity: there's a resistor from DCD to RTS. if you went from DCD to GROUND, the state should change
[06:54:00] dtm: Dagmar: oh. well then they're fired.
[06:54:02] d3ity: so...
[06:54:14] dtm: Dagmar: so you're defensively declaring the value of your own time ;)
[06:54:19] Dagmar: Yeah, I really don't care for people who consider their time important, but other people's time inherently free.
[06:54:26] d3ity: would this mean disconnecting my artfully crafted connections?
[06:54:27] dtm: right.
[06:54:37] Dagmar: This is why you'll see me bend over backwards to help someone who's shown they're so much as doing intelligent Google searching
[06:54:37] dtm: Dagmar: yeah screw that noise
[06:54:49] d3ity: dcd to the hot wire i can just use from the inside of the connections, I didn't heatshrink em so theres still some exposed wire
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[06:54:53] Dagmar: People who can't be bothered to Google can get stuffed
[06:54:57] alsoconfused: d3ity: unless you have another cable to experiment with
[06:55:21] dtm: Dagmar: yeah i usually compulsively explain the lengths i've gone to, in attempting to solve a problem, when i ask for help ;)
[06:55:23] alsoconfused: d3ity: but you need to disconnect it from RTS
[06:55:24] dtm: for that reason
[06:55:37] dtm: because i value everyone's time whether i know beforehand that they deserve it or not
[06:55:46] dtm: both their time and their goodwill
[06:55:56] d3ity: oh, derr, I can use the cable
[06:56:02] Dagmar: dtm: That helps in more ways than one. For one thing it tells the people watching the question where your knowledge level is at so they know what detail level they need to use in their response
[06:56:02] dtm: those are economic commodities. they're finite and in perpetual short supply on this planet.
[06:56:11] dtm: Dagmar: yeah.
[06:56:15] alsoconfused: d3ity: actually, you can just ground DCD
[06:56:24] dtm: Dagmar: it also is just plain motivating ;)
[06:56:32] alsoconfused: d3ity: because that's what the receiver does
[06:56:49] dtm: Dagmar: it signals that this is a reciprocally goodwill effort, not just abject charity
[06:57:07] Dagmar: I got *very* ill with someone the other day who was complaining that his xwmconfig was broken. It was calling mkdir, and mkdir was saying plain as day _no space left on device_. He pasted the output of df to try to show to me that his /home partition was not, in fact full.
[06:57:08] d3ity: also, heres what I did
[06:57:11] dtm: Dagmar: or if i'm just desperately begging and bleating, i'll make that clear too!
[06:57:11] d3ity: I took my serial cable
[06:57:16] d3ity: and stuck a resistor in it
[06:57:21] d3ity: connecting the two pins
[06:57:23] Dagmar: I was looking at a big fat "0" and "100%" in the fourth and fifth columns
[06:57:25] dtm: Dagmar: that happens after about week #3  ;)
[06:57:40] DrMitch: does 64bit help a lot in myth (specifically during transcoding)?
[06:57:56] alsoconfused: d3ity: which two pins?
[06:58:10] dtm: DrMitch: compared to what? compared to running a 64bit cpu in 32bit mode?
[06:58:14] d3ity: 1 and 7
[06:58:20] Dagmar: He figured since he could subtract the blocks of the fs from the blocks used count and not get zero that he really did have space left, and would *not* accept that the filenames take up blocks as well. *that* is what pissed me off
[06:58:31] dtm: DrMitch: coz you dont have 64 bits worth of address space in your media collection, i can tell ya ;)
[06:58:31] DrMitch: exact same computer, running slackware 32bit vs slamd64
[06:58:32] d3ity: and 1 and 5
[06:59:09] d3ity: neither give me anything
[06:59:12] Dagmar: DrMitch: Considering most of the transcoders and codecs don't bother using 64-bit specific instructions, it's a bit of a waste of time
[06:59:23] DrMitch: okay, cool. thanks
[06:59:42] dtm: DrMitch: i'm told that a 64bit cpu running in 32bit mode is wasting about 10% performance or so on any cpu intensive tasks at all
[06:59:43] alsoconfused: d3ity: just to be clear... you have the program running while you move the resistor from 1–5 to 1–7 ??
[06:59:48] dtm: that's very rough figures
[06:59:50] d3ity: yeah
[06:59:52] Dagmar: ...and slamd64 is nice, but it has the overhead of getting things which don't work with 64-bit fixed
[06:59:53] dtm: DrMitch: that's from an amd64 gentoo dev
[07:00:00] Fnc: if its not in the database.. is there a way to define a new jump point?
[07:00:10] alsoconfused: d3ity: ok, now i'd change the prog back to ttyS0 and try doing it again
[07:00:11] d3ity: Dagmar, I use slamd64
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[07:00:17] d3ity: alsoconfused, did it both ways, same result
[07:00:23] Dagmar: d3ity: I have it installed here as well. I just don't bother using it most of the time
[07:00:39] d3ity: could this mean my kernel hates my serial port and I should attempt a diffrent kernel driver?
[07:00:41] Dagmar: There are a *lot* of partitions on my desktop machines. Heh
[07:00:58] DrMitch: i looove slamd64 but was told that virtually NOTHING uses the 64bit except the kernel which uses 2x ram so i switched to slack
[07:01:04] Dagmar: d3ity: It's kind of unlikely that you're haing that kind of a problem
[07:01:08] alsoconfused: d3ity: i doubt it. do you have any other serial devices you can test the ports with?
[07:01:36] d3ity: alsoconfused, I thought the reason they still made serial cables was for people to hack up to wierd homemade devices
[07:01:59] Dagmar: Drat. I can't remember the name of the utility to just monitor the serial lines' respective status in realtime
[07:02:08] unrooting: i can not figure out where i do not get any sound in mythtv
[07:02:10] alsoconfused: rs-232 will never die
[07:02:31] alsoconfused: Dagmar: me either. that's why i cobbled together that program
[07:02:35] d3ity: alsoconfused, as long as people still cut them up and use them to hack into wierd devices and build stuff...it will never die
[07:02:47] d3ity: most people don't have the equipment to slice into a USB cable...
[07:02:48] alsoconfused: i thought minicom might be able to do it, but it seems not
[07:02:51] Dagmar: Hah. Here's the one I used the last time
[07:02:51] Dagmar: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/system/seria . . . mon-0.23.tgz
[07:03:01] d3ity: Dagmar, that a x86 tgz?
[07:03:06] Dagmar: It's source code
[07:03:11] d3ity: ah tar.gz
[07:03:32] Dagmar: I had to use it and another tool the first time I dorked around with lirc some years back
[07:03:40] Dagmar: the other tool I had to *write*
[07:03:52] Dagmar: ...but at least it let me know that my AST remote was indeed, very very broken
[07:04:12] Dagmar: It was spitting out a signal alright, but the clocking on it varied by as much as 300%
[07:04:22] d3ity: Dagmar
[07:04:30] d3ity: bash-3.1# ./serialmon /dev/ttyS0
[07:04:30] d3ity: TIOCMGET ioctl failed: Input/output error
[07:04:31] Dagmar: There's just no way to decipher what the hell those signals are supposed to be without a reasonable timing
[07:04:48] d3ity: same with S1
[07:04:51] Dagmar: d3ity: Serial module must be loaded. You must also init the serial port with setserial
[07:05:01] d3ity: Dagmar, serial module is in kernel
[07:05:05] d3ity: let me free stuff from lirc
[07:05:06] Dagmar: Usually the second stop will force the first
[07:05:24] Dagmar: You've got read permissions on that device, I hop?
[07:05:31] Dagmar: s/hop/hope/;
[07:05:39] d3ity: Dagmar, root has perms on shiny stuff
[07:05:54] Dagmar: Ah but not if you've got an lirc kernel module in the way
[07:06:00] d3ity: aye
[07:06:15] d3ity: that could have caused your watchport to fail alsoconfused
[07:06:33] alsoconfused: Dagmar: permissions?
[07:06:40] d3ity: bash-3.1# setserial /dev/ttyS1 UART none
[07:06:41] d3ity: bash-3.1# chmod 777 /dev/ttyS0
[07:06:41] d3ity: bash-3.1# ./serialmon /dev/ttyS0
[07:06:41] d3ity: TIOCMGET ioctl failed: Input/output error
[07:06:59] d3ity: I did both ports, just decided not to flood it
[07:07:06] Dagmar: Dude.
[07:07:14] Dagmar: 'none' _disables_ the port
[07:07:24] d3ity: Dagmar, reaaaaaaally now
[07:07:37] Dagmar: I'm *really* sure you at least have a 16550A
[07:07:40] d3ity: Dagmar, what should replace none
[07:07:42] Dagmar: Only really old boards don't
[07:07:58] Dagmar: That param is supposed to be the way to force the serial hardware type
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[07:08:10] d3ity: so 16550A would be what replaces none?
[07:08:32] Dagmar: Sure
[07:08:47] d3ity: that, is an invalid flag
[07:09:34] Dagmar: "uart 16550a". Check the man page yourself if you doubt me: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/setserial.8.html
[07:09:55] d3ity: ah.
[07:09:58] d3ity: sorry
[07:10:00] Dagmar: np
[07:10:12] Dagmar: "Using UART type none will disable the port.
[07:10:14] Dagmar: ;)
[07:10:20] d3ity: TIOCSERGSTATS ioctl failed EINVAL – kernel not patched ? (Kill me !)
[07:10:27] Dagmar: That's something
[07:11:10] d3ity: could that mean i gave it the wrong controller/device type/whatever 16550A should have been
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[07:12:45] Dagmar: Ouch. Fall back and punt with 8250 then
[07:13:04] Dagmar: I was just trying to pull up the source and look for comments on what exits with that
[07:13:28] Dagmar: Does your dmesg still have the bootup stuff in it?
[07:13:37] d3ity: Dagmar, should
[07:13:46] d3ity: tell me what to grep
[07:14:00] d3ity: actually
[07:14:02] d3ity: I figured that out
[07:14:08] d3ity: serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
[07:14:08] Dagmar: dmesg | grep serial
[07:14:17] Dagmar: OKay, so that *should* darn well have worked the
[07:14:33] d3ity: i'm trying 8250
[07:14:56] d3ity: well that produced the same result
[07:15:13] Dagmar: 16550A is definitely correct. I'm looking at how Slackware invokes setserial now
[07:15:24] d3ity: ok, so i've come to the conclusion that my reciever might not be faulty
[07:16:21] Dagmar: Try this real quick `/sbin/setserial -bg /dev/ttyS0 /dev/ttyS1 /dev/ttyS2 /dev/ttyS3`
[07:16:51] d3ity: got permission errors on 2 and 3
[07:17:03] Dagmar: Becuase they don't exist,. You can ignore them
[07:17:07] d3ity: /dev/ttyS0 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 8250
[07:17:10] d3ity: and nothing about s1
[07:17:45] Dagmar: Something's boned there I suspect if the kernel earlier decided it was a 16550A
[07:18:02] Dagmar: I get "/dev/ttyS0 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A" here
[07:18:08] alsoconfused: d3ity: you have serial as a module or linked into the kernel?
[07:18:14] Dagmar: OH!
[07:18:16] Dagmar: OH!
[07:18:22] Dagmar: Damn I should have realized this earlier
[07:18:28] Dagmar: You need to build that as a module, man
[07:18:43] Dagmar: If lirc is needing a kernel module, having serial built right into the kernel will make it impossible
[07:18:59] alsoconfused: Dagmar: according to http://www.lirc.org/html/install.html#testing, if it's compiled in, you can set the uart type to none
[07:19:08] Dagmar: alsoconfused: Hmm...
[07:19:21] alsoconfused: i've never tried any of this though.
[07:19:41] alsoconfused: but what still bothers me is that we can't even see action on the carrier detect line
[07:20:07] Dagmar: alsoconfused: From that same page "Usually the serial port driver grabs all ports it auto-detects as soon as it is loaded and the LIRC modules won't be able to use any of them."
[07:20:24] alsoconfused: exactly
[07:20:31] d3ity: Dagmar, even with setserial?
[07:20:59] Dagmar: It should have been working with setserial, but note that setserial -bg didn't freak out and give an error on ttyS1
[07:21:47] Dagmar: mode2 should be able to work
[07:21:58] alsoconfused: there was no mention of ttyS1 in the dmesg, right?
[07:22:03] Dagmar: ...at least with the usual homebrew
[07:22:04] d3ity: no there was.
[07:22:22] Dagmar: That was from the kernel grabbing the serial port
[07:23:07] Dagmar: again from that page "setserial /dev/ttySx uart none to release the according port"
[07:23:28] Dagmar: ...which will bone serialmon, although it should make the lirc kernel module able to grab it then
[07:23:29] d3ity: so whats the next step
[07:23:31] d3ity: recompile a kernel?
[07:23:37] Dagmar: Change the serial code to a module
[07:23:40] d3ity: ok
[07:23:47] Dagmar: Which is going to mean a complete recompile, yeah
[07:23:58] alsoconfused: Dagmar: right about boning serialmon, it's a good test to make sure the serial driver released the hardware
[07:23:59] Dagmar: ...but by now you know about `make oldconfig` so it should be asy
[07:24:02] d3ity: alright, its 3:30 AM, I have work at 10 tomorrow, I'm gonna have to continue this saga tomorrow
[07:24:15] Dagmar: Just dont' forget to `make clean` FIRST
[07:24:25] d3ity: Dagmar, oh, I make sure to backup all my .configs
[07:24:27] Dagmar: You need to make clean if you change the core kernel
[07:24:35] d3ity: not only through /proc/config.gz, but also in my /root/ folder
[07:24:45] d3ity: Dagmar, aye.
[07:24:56] d3ity: I usually do mrproper and copy a config out of my /root
[07:25:14] d3ity: anyway. Thanks for the help, I'll be back tomorrow after I get off work
[07:25:18] Dagmar: d3ity: You might could skip a step in the future with `make clean`, since it does all the important things mrporper does *except* blowing away the config file
[07:25:37] Dagmar: The backup files it leaves around should not (I think) bork anything
[07:26:33] unrooting: when i type irw to test my remote i get connection refused
[07:26:49] unrooting: what would this mean?
[07:28:37] alsoconfused: unrooting: lircd not running?
[07:28:45] DrMitch: is there a step i'm missing? --> .... make install ... mysql -u root -p < mc.sql .... mythtv-setup  ??
[07:29:22] Dagmar: DrMitch: There very well could be
[07:29:32] Dagmar: Did you ever run mysql_install_db?
[07:29:42] DrMitch: yea, i have mysql up and running
[07:30:06] Dagmar: That should be pretty much it then
[07:30:13] Dagmar: I assume you're getting some kind of error?
[07:30:17] unrooting: ok know when i irw i get nothing
[07:30:18] DrMitch: yup
[07:30:22] DrMitch: me pastbin it
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[07:30:30] unrooting: and when i push buttons i get nothing
[07:30:35] unrooting: exit
[07:30:49] DrMitch: http://pastebin.ca/88707
[07:31:01] DrMitch: i've seen it from people a million times, but never encountered it myself
[07:31:12] unrooting: does that mean i have the wrong lricd.conf
[07:31:13] Dagmar: "No error type from QSqlError? Strange..."
[07:31:19] Dagmar: Dead giveaway.
[07:31:30] unrooting: in my /etc my i have lircd.conf and lircmd.conf
[07:31:32] DrMitch: qt doesn't have mysql built into it?
[07:31:59] Dagmar: Qt either wasn't compiled with mysql support or somehow libqsqlmysql.so got lost somewhere
[07:32:17] unrooting: alsasound??
[07:32:24] Dagmar: Check for it under plugins/sqldrivers
[07:32:33] DrMitch: /usr/lib/qt-3.3.6/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so
[07:32:35] DrMitch: it's there
[07:32:42] DrMitch: damn slackware!
[07:32:51] Dagmar: Heheh
[07:32:55] Dagmar: I have something you might appreciate then
[07:32:59] Dagmar: This is 10.2, right?
[07:33:03] DrMitch: yup
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[07:33:23] Dagmar: I know this one works: http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/mythtv/qt-3.3.6-i686-1mythtv.tgz
[07:33:27] tummyacid: can anyone tell me why thebackend server might not be running?
[07:33:38] Dagmar: It's the one I'm using.
[07:33:47] Dagmar: If you have a 486 you're out of luck tho.
[07:33:58] DrMitch: Dagmar, you = sexy
[07:34:03] dtm: :-.
[07:34:10] Dagmar: Compiled with -O2 -march=i686, and slightly less onerous paths (I can't stand /opt)
[07:34:30] alsoconfused: unrooting: ls /dev/lirc*
[07:34:51] Dagmar: There's some other stuff in that dir you might wanna pillage later as well (I'd advise against the lirc package tho. It's just there so it can be readily rebuilt locally)
[07:35:01] DrMitch: that did the trick
[07:35:03] DrMitch: thanks
[07:35:21] Dagmar: ...oh and the ivtv package is in the same state. Won't work on any kernel but mine and is also just there to be rebuilt locally
[07:35:24] Dagmar: ...and it's out of date
[07:35:46] Dagmar: You're welcome
[07:36:28] Dagmar: I'd be pimping the lot out as a more formal subproject if i had a clean solution for the lirc/ivtv issues
[07:36:50] Dagmar: I'm still trying to figure out how to do a clean-room reimplmentation of the things Knoppix does with the proprietary nVidia driver tho
[07:37:00] Dagmar: ...since that will lead directly to solutions for both of those packages
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[07:37:21] Dagmar: I am really not happy with the way I have to detect what kernel is actually being used
[07:37:47] Dagmar: ...mainly because I know I'll get "bug reports" from perverts using grub.
[07:38:12] Dagmar: I've no idea how or even if grub passes that info down. with lilo it's just rough but not impossibel
[07:39:26] tummyacid: evdev 9088 0
[07:39:26] tummyacid: usbhid 28864 0
[07:39:26] tummyacid: uhci_hcd 29328 0
[07:39:26] tummyacid: usbcore 104164 4 usbhid,uhci_hcd
[07:39:26] tummyacid: via82cxxx_audio 26248 0
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[07:41:41] Dagmar: Heh. I should have a solution to the grub problem in a few days, maybe.
[07:42:01] Dagmar: I just fired off an email to the local LUG list subject line reading: "Grub users, prepare to defend your choice of lifestyle"
[07:42:41] Hoxzer: I still cant get my mplayer to work with my overscan problem :(
[07:42:50] Hoxzer: have to use xine
[07:44:06] alsoconfused: Dagmar: you're trying to locate the kernel file for the running kernel?
[07:44:14] Dagmar: alsoconfused: Yep
[07:44:26] Dagmar: ...since that's kinda what the modules need to be compiled against to work
[07:45:12] Dagmar: With lilo there's a very obvious a param that can be spotted in /proc, and you can correlate that to lilo.conf to find out where the kernel file is, md5sum it, and if it doesn't match the value you stored the last time, you know you have to invoke the script to rebuild the dependent module.
[07:45:16] Dagmar: Very tidy, actually
[07:45:36] Dagmar: I know jack and only half of squat about doing that with Grub tho
[07:46:01] alsoconfused: with lilo it's in /proc/cmdline ?
[07:46:16] Dagmar: Since there's several true knotheads on that list that I *know* use Grub, they'll dig for the info until they find it.
[07:46:30] Dagmar: alsoconfused: Yeah. The param that's glaring there in all-caps.  :)
[07:46:50] alsoconfused: i'm using grub :-P
[07:46:54] Dagmar: One quick sed and another much more complex sed and you know how to find that in the filesystem
[07:47:04] Dagmar: "auto BOOT_IMAGE=Slackware10.2 ro root=305
[07:47:32] Dagmar: BOOT_IMAGE being the name of the label= setting for the stanza in lilo.conf
[07:47:44] alsoconfused: that does look familiar
[07:50:15] Hoxzer: For some reason Juski has begun one of my favorite characters of irc atm :)
[07:50:51] Dagmar: Those aren't pics of him.
[07:51:18] Dagmar: s/him/_him_/; hehe
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[07:57:43] alsoconfused: Dagmar: just how ugly is the method you're using to find the kernel?
[07:59:02] unrooting: is setting up lircd pretty easy??
[07:59:19] alsoconfused: unrooting: sometimes :)
[07:59:20] Dagmar: unrooting: It's not, if you go through the docs and actually learn how it's various pieces fit together.
[07:59:33] Dagmar: If you don't have any idea of how it works, it's mainly luck if it operates like you wanted it to
[07:59:39] Dagmar: Kind of annoying, but that's the rub
[07:59:55] Dagmar: It's worth it to study. It can really do some very cool things above and beyond just working with MythTV
[08:00:20] Dagmar: alsoconfused: It's not very actually.
[08:00:49] Dagmar: alsoconfused: Like I said, sed can be used for both steps necessary, although using sed to get the kernel image from the stanza in lilo.conf is nearly obscene
[08:01:32] emja: do I need a lircrc file for my remote to work ?
[08:01:59] alsoconfused: Dagmar: i was thinking that you could match uname info against strings in vmlinuz*
[08:03:45] unrooting: alsasound well i have a pvr 150 so i hope its not too bad
[08:04:05] unrooting: however if i irw when i push buttons what should i get?
[08:04:49] unrooting: also why do i have a /etc/lircd.conf file and a /etc/lircmd.conf file? is this correct?
[08:04:52] emja: hmm... irw crashes lircd
[08:05:22] unrooting: well then why did it tell me that do it to test the remote
[08:05:42] alsoconfused: unrooting: it should print ir codes and button names
[08:06:21] unrooting: alright.. well which file should i be using lircmd.conf or the lircd.conf
[08:06:29] emja: dang. forgot to modprobe
[08:06:36] alsoconfused: unrooting: lircd.conf
[08:07:06] alsoconfused: lircmd is for running programs in response to button presses on the remote
[08:07:45] alsoconfused: lircd relays the button presses to a socket that programs connect to
[08:07:45] alsoconfused: mythtv uses lircd
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[08:08:08] unrooting: alrght.. well i don't seem to get errors when i push buttons after irw
[08:08:18] unrooting: does that mean i got the wrong lirc.conf?
[08:09:20] alsoconfused: it could be that the device hasn't been set up correctly
[08:09:31] alsoconfused: do you have a /dev/lirc0 or /dev/lirc/0 ?
[08:11:19] RandomDude15: hey i have a problem here
[08:11:30] RandomDude15: I deleted one of my recording outside of mythfrontend
[08:11:35] RandomDude15: and it still shows up in mythfrontend....
[08:11:46] RandomDude15: and when I go in delete recordings
[08:11:49] RandomDude15: and try to delete it from there
[08:11:51] RandomDude15: it still shows up
[08:11:52] RandomDude15: ><
[08:13:07] alsoconfused: RandomDude15: no errors?
[08:13:11] RandomDude15: no
[08:13:15] RandomDude15: just still shows up
[08:15:13] alsoconfused: RandomDude15: when i delete the file and then go to tv->delete recordings, it says something like "file not found, delete anyway". i say yes and it's gone.
[08:15:46] emja: alsoconfused: I
[08:15:48] RandomDude15: hmmm
[08:15:51] emja: oops
[08:16:05] alsoconfused: RandomDude15: which version of myth?
[08:16:08] RandomDude15: well I ended up editing mysql
[08:16:12] RandomDude15: to remove it
[08:16:18] Dagmar: That works, too
[08:16:23] RandomDude15: 0.19
[08:16:35] emja: alsoconfused: I'm trying to leverage the help you're giving unrooting. I didn't have /dev/lirc0 until I manually ran 'modprobe lirc_gpio'. how do I automate that?
[08:17:18] Dagmar: Tie it to the loading of some other driver
[08:17:32] alsoconfused: emja: what dag just said. man modprobe.conf
[08:17:33] Dagmar: ...or just stick it in the rc script that starts lircd
[08:17:39] emja: after 'modprobe lirc_gpio' I can start the lircd service, run irw (and get appropriate responses), but myth doesn't respond to the remote
[08:17:46] emja: alsoconfused: ok. thanks
[08:18:15] ** emja is trying to work out when dag said that **
[08:18:38] alsoconfused: emja: okay it's working at a low level. now you need to look into your ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[08:18:50] emja: ahh. *many* thanks
[08:19:06] emja: I don't have one. do I create it, or source one for my remote?
[08:19:28] alsoconfused: if it's a common remote you should be able to find one
[08:19:37] Dagmar: "alias char-major-61 lirc_gpio" might do it.
[08:19:42] alsoconfused: i think there are a bunch included with myth
[08:19:53] emja: Dagmar: that create's an alias, but doesn't load it, right?
[08:20:10] emja: alsoconfused: yeah, almost an rm-0010
[08:20:29] Dagmar: Basically, you want to tell kmod that when some other module is loaded that it should also load the lirc module, OR, by char-major-61 you're telling it when something touches char-major-61 devices, that it should load that module
[08:21:01] emja: and char-major-61 is correct?
[08:21:08] Dagmar: emja: that makes the kernel go looking for the named module when something accesses a the character-based device with major number 61
[08:21:16] Dagmar: Yeah. Look at `ls -al /dev/lirc*`
[08:21:21] Dagmar: 61 and 0
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[08:21:27] Dagmar: 0 being the minor number
[08:21:31] emja: ahhhh
[08:21:35] emja: *now* I see
[08:21:37] Dagmar: Now you see how the trick works
[08:21:40] emja: yep
[08:21:58] Dagmar: You could cheat it and alias the serial module as that as well, but that's slightly less correct
[08:22:09] emja: so I shouldn't need to 'modprobe blah', but instead it auto-loads if necessary, right?
[08:22:25] Dagmar: It should auto-load it the moment something tries to access /dev/lirc*
[08:22:41] Dagmar: ...because until that point the kernel won't know what to do with accesses of that device
[08:22:53] Dagmar: It looks up "char-major-61" when you open it
[08:23:34] RandomDude15: I think my recording still exists somewhere on my drive because I only have 10GB free space....
[08:23:39] Dagmar: Actually oops that will not work as expected with udev/devfs one moment
[08:23:48] RandomDude15: and it was 4 hours long (the recording)
[08:23:54] Dagmar: lirc_dev causes /dev/lirc and /dev/lirc0 to be created
[08:24:01] Dagmar: Chicken and egg problem. One moment
[08:24:04] emja: right
[08:24:07] emja: gotcha
[08:24:44] alsoconfused: RandomDude15: maybe the backend still has the file open
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[08:25:24] RandomDude15: where can I look?
[08:26:50] alsoconfused: RandomDude15: easiest thing would be to shutdown the backend and see if the space comes back. else you can do /usr/sbin/lsof -c mythbackend |grep -i deleted
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[08:28:11] RandomDude15: no it didnt...
[08:28:25] alsoconfused: RandomDude15: i should have said the frontend
[08:28:25] Dagmar: This is actually on my "to figure out" list so I might as well figure it out now
[08:28:32] sphery: /c/c
[08:28:36] sphery: oops
[08:28:39] Dagmar: Right now my rc.lircd script actually does the modprobe
[08:28:47] Dagmar: There's got to be a cleaner way.
[08:28:51] emja: Dagmar: yeah, i just now popped it into rc.local
[08:28:54] Dagmar: I'm running strace on lircd to find out
[08:28:56] ** emja nods **
[08:29:34] RandomDude15: there a way
[08:29:36] RandomDude15: to find out
[08:29:39] RandomDude15: whats using the most space?
[08:30:02] emja: easy answer; carriage-returns. ;-)
[08:31:01] Dagmar: Damn. No way to autoload based on the socket in /dev so that's actually right out
[08:31:24] emja: so rc.local (or similar) is the go then
[08:31:25] Dagmar: emja: Ah well, I had my hopes. Looks like having the script that runs lircd modprobe the driver first works fine tho
[08:31:35] Dagmar: Wherever you're starting lircd
[08:31:51] emja: oh, before lircd, of course. I forgot
[08:31:54] Dagmar: heh
[08:32:08] emja: that'd explain a thing or two
[08:32:09] emja: heh
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[08:33:47] Dagmar: What is lirc_gpio anyway?
[08:33:56] Dagmar: Is that for USB recievers or something?
[08:33:59] emja: neat. edited /etc/init.d/lircd. included 'modprobe lirc_gpio'
[08:34:10] emja: for my leadtek card
[08:34:15] Dagmar: Is it a PCI card?
[08:34:17] emja: tv2000 xp
[08:34:18] emja: yes
[08:34:20] Dagmar: Ahhh...
[08:34:25] emja: seems to need it
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[08:34:30] Dagmar: Then there's a way to tell udev to load it then
[08:34:47] emja: found the info on http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#lirc
[08:34:51] emja: oh, really?
[08:34:53] Dagmar: It's a bit late to construct this kind of an email tho. I'll pop off one to the lirc devs in the morning
[08:35:07] Dagmar: Yeah, if it's a PCI card then we can kinda *know* what's on it
[08:35:23] Dagmar: udev scans the PCI bus and loads the modules it thinks it's supposed to when it sees particular devices
[08:35:55] Dagmar: They might be able to eliminate a step in people's configuration
[08:36:16] emja: one of the 2763 steps? that'd be nice.
[08:36:18] emja: ;-)
[08:36:35] ** Juski doesn't yet understand udev **
[08:37:20] alsoconfused: don't bother trying. by the time you figure it out, it will be replace by something else
[08:37:28] Dagmar: Highly unliekly
[08:37:41] Dagmar: Udev, to all accounts, seems to do this in an entirely correct manner
[08:37:56] Dagmar: The next change to the way kernel device drivers work is a long ways down the road and will likely include udev
[08:38:28] Juski: ahh wiki wiki wiki :)
[08:39:11] Juski: so rather than a static directory structure in /dev we have to put up with a massive udev.rules file
[08:39:28] Dagmar: Actually, no
[08:39:44] Dagmar: It gets a lot of this information from the kernel modules themselves
[08:40:01] Hoxzer: is it normal if I just drink coffee if I get tired?
[08:40:06] Dagmar: ...and a "massive" file still takes up less space than piles and piles of device inotes
[08:40:18] Dagmar: Hoxzer: It's a sign you're probably hyperactive
[08:40:39] Hoxzer: k, that explains everything then
[08:40:42] Juski: Hoxzer: you're in your teens.. get out & enjoy them while you still can
[08:41:17] Hoxzer: :P maan, I Dont know how to enjoy my teens really
[08:41:39] emja: Hoxzer: sheesh, even I know how to enjoy a few teens
[08:41:42] Juski: then yeah you're weird :-P
[08:41:56] emja: Juski: heh
[08:42:24] Hoxzer: :D
[08:42:30] emja: Dagmar: thx. now I've got lircd (incl modprobe bit) to auto-start at boot
[08:42:37] emja: now, on to lircrc
[08:42:39] emja: hab!
[08:42:43] emja: bah!
[08:42:55] Dagmar: That part is easy
[08:43:05] Dagmar: You Google until you find someone else's lircrc and steal it
[08:43:17] Dagmar: Or you just look in the lirc source package for one named for your remote
[08:43:27] Juski: or you make your own.. hardly rocket science
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[08:43:45] Dagmar: Yeah, but Googling for someone else's URC-6101 config was faster
[08:43:52] Juski: I always found other people's lircrc files illogical, or otherwise just wrong
[08:44:07] Dagmar: Although reprogamming the dead buttons in the RC5 programmed profile takes like 10 minutes of arcane button mashing
[08:44:22] Juski: or less if you have a jp1 remote ;-)
[08:44:35] Dagmar: Bah those cost a bit more than $14, which is all I paid for this one
[08:44:43] Juski: fair nuff
[08:44:44] Dagmar: I could modify it to support that, but why bother
[08:44:58] Juski: the remote I use could do with more buttons
[08:45:15] Dagmar: My total expenditure on the remote was ~$35 USD
[08:45:49] Dagmar: $14 for the One4All PVR remote (even has thumbs-up/thumbs-down buttons), and $30 for the high-powered IR transciever
[08:45:59] Dagmar: er $45
[08:46:00] Juski: I was disgusted at my OFA-6 remote when I found out it couldn't learn a whole new remote
[08:46:04] Dagmar: Simple math is why I have a calculator
[08:46:34] Dagmar: Juski: You should be able to remap every button on it to existing sequences tho, which should be enough for work with lirc
[08:47:06] Juski: Dagmar: yeh with lots of that arcane button pressing you mentioned. I just made up a new remote device based on rc5 & uploaded it
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[08:48:04] Dagmar: If you want something *completely* custom, you'll want to get a Visor Handspring (used on eBay they are like $15-$20) and the OmniRemote module
[08:48:09] stuarta: morning all
[08:48:32] Juski: morning stuarta
[08:48:38] Dagmar: The OmniRemote module is handy. You can draw buttons, and then have lirc spit out the signals you want them to send, and then record them into OmniRemote.
[08:48:44] Dagmar: ...however this is REALLY painstaking work
[08:48:52] stuarta: have worked out my null theme for mytharchive :)
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[08:49:19] Dagmar: stuarta: I keep having to fight off the temptation to just make one featuring hot chix
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[08:49:27] Juski: I like the idea of the pronto remotes, but don't like the fact you have to charge em up.. and they're so damn expensive
[08:49:46] Dagmar: Visor Handspring takes batteries
[08:49:59] stuarta: Dagmar: i disliked the intro's & music as they were incompatible with what I was archiving....
[08:50:04] Juski: and how many years do they last?
[08:50:08] Dagmar: Visor Edge (maybe $50–60 used) is metal cased, nicer, and rechargeable with a nice cradle
[08:50:30] ** stuarta considers going back to bed. **
[08:50:38] Dagmar: Juski: MAybe 2 months if you're lucky
[08:50:41] Juski: stuarta: been looking for some explosion/fire video loops I could use to make a new intro
[08:50:46] Dagmar: The Edge's last ages if you don't sit on them
[08:50:54] Dagmar: They have pretty good rechargeables built into them
[08:51:13] stuarta: Juski: man of your talent could whip one up in a few hours, no???
[08:51:23] Dagmar: There is nearly zilch like it for cheap on the Zires, and their IR transmitters are somewhat weak
[08:51:27] Juski: I think I'd be hard pressed to find an excuse to replace my existing remote, considering it works so well
[08:51:40] Dagmar: I just want the damn Opera module for my DS
[08:51:42] emja: ok, so I've got a lilrcrc file and plonked it into ~mythtv/.mythtv/. Do I need to execute /usr/bin/lircrcd? If so, where/when?
[08:51:44] Dagmar: THen I can do this crap over CGI
[08:51:54] Juski: stuarta: considering more than half of the intros for mytharchive are mine anyway... ;-)
[08:52:13] Dagmar: I can leave the HostAP open to the world, not routing anything and just let people wonder why all the mpg files are there
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[08:52:29] RandomDude15: Ok im in windows now
[08:52:32] stuarta: :)
[08:52:33] RandomDude15: I dual boot
[08:52:36] RandomDude15: and I restarted
[08:52:42] RandomDude15: and the program went away
[08:52:43] RandomDude15: on the space
[08:52:45] Dagmar: In theory it would also mean I could use MythWeb without even being in the same room
[08:52:47] RandomDude15: *problem
[08:52:59] alsoconfused: emja: do you have /etc/init.d/lircd ?
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[08:53:04] scopeuk: Dagmar having used opera mini i whouldent count on it
[08:53:06] RandomDude15: btw does anyone here happen to use a PVR 150 on windows?
[08:53:07] emja: RandomDude15: you've still got an enter-key that bounced a heck of a lot. ;-)
[08:53:12] emja: alsoconfused: yes
[08:53:29] alsoconfused: /etc/init.d/lircd start
[08:53:39] Dagmar: scopeuk: It's not like MythWeb uses javascript (or not thatI've noticed)
[08:53:50] Juski: why would anyone use a pvr150 in windows when it works juuust fine in linux?
[08:54:04] Dagmar: ...and there's really *nothing* to stop me from cranking out a CGI with forms that I can be sure will display correctly on the DS
[08:54:14] stuarta: why would anyone use windoze?
[08:54:15] RandomDude15: im having trouble getting my IR blaster to work
[08:54:21] scopeuk: no but opera mini (not portable ) doesent like multiple pages and has been known to break php scripts (which is very weird)
[08:54:28] Dagmar: Juski: Umm... WMV9 DRM porno
[08:54:29] RandomDude15: and i cant seem to get it to work in windows or linux
[08:54:31] Dagmar: ;)
[08:54:35] emja: alsoconfused: lircrcd is not started though
[08:54:43] RandomDude15: the remote works in windows but not the IR Blaster
[08:54:54] alsoconfused: emja: lircd ?
[08:54:59] emja: alsoconfused: yep
[08:55:16] Juski: Dagmar: heh. nobody really _pays_ for tinternet pr0n though do they? I thought that's what p2p & alt.binaries was for
[08:55:23] Dagmar: scopeuk: Good thing I don't code in PHP then
[08:55:35] emja: alsoconfused: lircd is. lircrcd isn't. remote doesn't control myth. irw sees traffic though
[08:55:51] Dagmar: Juski: There is also Vongo
[08:56:10] Juski: irw works but myth doesn't... simple lircrc config issue then.. wrong remote name, wrong button names...
[08:56:12] scopeuk: Dagmar shame myth web is though
[08:56:26] emja: alsoconfused: hold on. lircrc is in the user directory (~/mythtv), so wouldn't /etc/init.d/lircd fail to find it?
[08:56:26] Dagmar: scopeuk: With the unit in my hand I'm sure I can haxor around any bugs
[08:56:34] scopeuk: in all fairness i dont use myth web from it much but ive had problems with otuerh php bassed systems
[08:56:43] scopeuk: Dagmar fair enough
[08:56:56] scopeuk: i use mini on my mobile and 14.4 k if t doeent work it can stuff
[08:56:57] Dagmar: I've done interfaces for cell phones before
[08:57:03] Dagmar: I'm used to the bizarre quirks
[08:57:07] Juski: better be making a move.. going into town to buy goodies today
[08:57:24] scopeuk: familiar
[08:57:28] scopeuk: except teh goodies part
[08:57:31] RandomDude15: so how do I find out which codeset my cable box has?
[08:57:38] Dagmar: Look at your remot
[08:57:54] alsoconfused: emja: i'm not familiar with lircrcd, but i don't think you need it
[08:58:01] emja: ok
[08:58:02] emja: thanks
[08:58:18] RandomDude15: remote for the box?
[08:58:27] Dagmar: RandomDude15: Yes the remote for your cable box
[08:58:31] alsoconfused: lircd doesn't need to see ~/.mythtv/lircrc , only myth does
[08:59:14] emja: oh, ok
[08:59:17] RandomDude15: doesnt say
[08:59:23] RandomDude15: its a pioneer cable box
[08:59:24] RandomDude15: I know that
[09:00:22] RandomDude15: PIONEER BD-V1100 DIGITAL CABLE BOX
[09:00:25] RandomDude15: thats the box I have
[09:00:50] Dagmar: That narrows it down to about 18 or so configs to try
[09:01:19] Dagmar: Send it stuff with irsend and see what it responds to
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[09:02:19] emja: oh shiney
[09:02:25] ** emja dances a jig **
[09:02:35] emja: my remote works. :-)
[09:02:46] emja: guys, many (!!!) thanks
[09:03:03] emja: I had to reboot. well, probably not, but I guess I had to restart mythtv
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[09:05:09] scopeuk: when all else fails
[09:05:12] scopeuk: shutdown -r now
[09:05:17] scopeuk: excepting bad bios flashes
[09:05:58] alsoconfused: emja: enjoy!
[09:06:08] emja: alsoconfused: oh yeah!
[09:06:18] emja: alsoconfused: this is very very slick
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[09:12:17] emja: if I could impose up you guys for one more (probably simple) question; how do I get the 'list view' to display titles like the 'browse view' does?
[09:12:41] emja: 'list view' displays the file names, not the titles
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[09:34:11] asd26: dudes EGP is not working
[09:39:03] rod: The immir tv_grab_au is being re-tooled as we speak, the latest 2.13 version isn't quite right yet.
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[09:43:29] asd26: rod i kinda stoped using tv_grab_au because it's constant problems
[09:43:40] asd26: now the simple EPG doesn't work
[09:43:55] asd26: i changed it, mabe i did something wrong
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[09:47:55] asd26: i hate to get boaster box today for my twin tuners
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[09:50:16] asd26: had
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[10:27:00] Darthy: is there a possibility in mplayer move to another track on a dvd?
[10:27:10] Darthy: ..to move to..
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[10:38:55] liran1: i was searching for that too, i don't think there is.
[10:39:31] stuarta: well if you ever find out you can let us all know
[10:40:17] liran1: ofcourse
[10:40:20] liran1: lets check in xine
[10:40:22] stuarta: :)
[10:40:43] stuarta: xine generally has better support for things like that
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[10:53:13] Juski: xine/ogle/vlc
[10:53:22] Juski: forget about mplayer for dvd playback
[10:53:33] Juski: if you want features, that is ;-)
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[11:10:35] asd26: after 6 days of work a day off and i'm depressed as anything
[11:10:37] liran1: what are you using juski?
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[11:12:14] Juski: xine
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[12:54:18] janneg: asd26: mythtv-users
[12:55:26] Juski: phew it's a scorcher today :-D
[12:56:21] stuarta: mwahaha, this isn't a scorcher!!! this just makes it to nice....
[12:56:45] asd26: PG is failing to work
[12:56:48] asd26: EPG
[12:57:04] stuarta: luckily in 1hr I'm off to sit in the sun, drink beer, and have a BBQ :)
[12:57:05] Juski: asd26: so you complained about earlier. what have you done about it so far?
[12:57:06] janneg: asd26: more details
[12:57:19] stuarta: asd26: and what did you change?
[12:58:06] Juski: stuarta: just here on my own til I hit town again shortly. burn a cd, get a t-shirt done of it.. then maybe meet folks in town, come home & eat.. then major beerage tonight :-) that's my plan
[12:58:51] stuarta: sounds like we all have a nice afternoon planned.
[12:59:31] Juski: better than being stuck in here fer sure
[12:59:32] Juski: !!
[13:00:07] sigger_: my FE doesn't wanna mount my BE's /myth now that I've installed to HD. Confirmed samba running on BE.
[13:00:23] Juski: sigger_: use nfs instead – more efficient
[13:00:42] sigger_: Erro msgs: Error connecting to 127.0.0.1 (Connection refused) / 7743: Connection to MYTHTV failed / SMB connection failed
[13:01:17] asd26: i set it to ASTC ..instead of tv_grab_au and did a rescan
[13:01:20] Juski: mount <ip address>:/myth /myth not worky?
[13:01:23] GreyFoxx: you are trying to mount localhost ?
[13:01:25] sigger_: Juski: eh, kinda wanna be able to (easily) poke around from winpcs. plus I know samba well (so I thought ;0)
[13:01:58] sigger_: GreyFoxx, no that's the odd part
[13:02:32] sigger_: changed FE's hostname to FE
[13:02:35] Juski: sigger_: for one thing, myth won't try to mount shares
[13:02:50] GreyFoxx: sigger_: You can nfs share and samba share the same directory. Use samba for accessing from windows,nfs to mount to another *nix machine
[13:03:33] sigger_: Juski: you mean it won't descend into the other fs once I've mounted it?
[13:03:40] Juski: made sure #skip-networking is commented out in /etc/my.cnf ? made sure the backend IP in mythtv-setup is set to a real IP address at both ends?
[13:03:55] sigger_: yep and yep
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[13:04:01] stuarta: asd26: you set it to ATSC and you are in Aus? And you wonder why it doesn't work....
[13:04:02] laga: re
[13:04:02] Juski: sigger_: I mean – mythtv will not do the mounting itself
[13:04:12] stuarta: hey laga
[13:04:16] Juski: wb laga. cds are done. all 100 of them :-)
[13:04:31] sigger_: Juski: gotcha.
[13:04:54] Juski: gonna nip out & get my tshirt shortly. should look snazzy (geek snazzy)
[13:04:59] laga: Juski: nice :)
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[13:05:19] laga: Juski: i think i've got nvram-wakeup working here.
[13:05:27] Juski: oo cool
[13:05:32] laga: Juski: now i won't get yelled at anymore when the bills come :)
[13:05:51] Juski: yeh right ;-)
[13:06:57] asd26: xml needs to be set to something right?
[13:07:10] sigger_: Juski: ok, mounting by IP address worked. FE must still think its MYTHTV despite changing hostname
[13:07:14] sigger_: thx
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[13:07:38] Juski: gah. shitty GAIM
[13:08:26] janneg: asd26: where can you EPG to ATSC? do you mean "Transmitted guide only"?
[13:08:35] asd26: yeah
[13:08:43] asd26: transmitted guide
[13:08:52] Juski: the aussie EIT data is a total crock if my memory serves me right
[13:08:57] asd26: it doesn't need a source?
[13:09:14] asd26: Juski well tv_grab_au i can't take it anymore
[13:09:25] Juski: asd26: it's that or nothing I think
[13:09:45] asd26: well EPG was working before
[13:09:50] Juski: webpage scraping xmltv apps all break from time to time
[13:10:01] asd26: i might have to reinstall mythtv
[13:10:11] Juski: all it takes is the webpages to change layout/format
[13:10:30] Juski: asd26: come off it. you never need to reinstall mythtv to put something like that right
[13:10:48] asd26: i'm geting unknown for everthing
[13:10:54] janneg: asd26: there is a big thread on mythtv-users: Possible fix for tv_grab_au 2.11
[13:11:13] asd26: janneg i can't install libs required to run it
[13:11:26] asd26: i did it before, but i can't rememember anymore
[13:11:53] Juski: should only be some PERL modules or something that you need
[13:11:57] asd26: thats before i reinstalled since my paration failed recover it's self
[13:12:42] asd26: Grabbing XMLTV data using eitonly is not verified as working.
[13:12:42] asd26: 2006-07–15 23:12:30.316 New DB connection, total: 3
[13:13:35] Juski: did you make a new video source? cos all your old channels will still be assigned to the old source
[13:15:26] asd26: i deleted the old one and created a new one
[13:15:53] Juski: so all your channels will not have a video source now
[13:16:12] asd26: i deleted all the channels
[13:16:16] Juski: ah ok
[13:16:16] janneg: asd26: for eitonly you don't need mythfilldatabse for collecting epg
[13:16:31] janneg: just the running backend
[13:16:41] Juski: not that eitonly will work properly – when it does work, apparently it's all screwed up
[13:17:01] Juski: because they don't transmit the data properly in Aus, so I heard
[13:17:18] stuarta: eit data in aus only provides now/next info. crap for scheduling
[13:17:27] rod: asd26: this might help with grabbers – http://www.home.network/mythtv/mdk/post.html#xmltv
[13:18:00] asd26: gee, as soon my digital signal goes, it crashes my remote, i can't do anything with it
[13:18:06] rod: oops, should be http://emerson.id.au/mythtv/mdk/post.html#xmltv
[13:20:52] asd26: i have no idea why this happens
[13:21:52] stuarta: because they change the layout of the web pages...
[13:22:21] Juski: and myth still doesn't cope very well with losing the digital signal unfortunately
[13:22:36] Juski: svn head is better than 0.19 though – way better
[13:22:47] Juski: but YMMV
[13:23:13] Juski: and with that, I'm off out. have fun at the barbie stuarta :-)
[13:24:27] stuarta: will do, see you later...
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[14:01:18] Zider: hm, isn't there any way in mythmusic to put the currently playing song into a playlist, without having to search for it?
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[14:43:35] Madkiss: hi all!
[14:43:59] laga: hi madkiss.
[14:44:19] Madkiss: Is there something that allows me to use my Intel iMac as television-replacement to show videos and programme that comes from the MythTV on my Linux-PC?
[14:44:56] laga: you could install mythfrontend on macos X.
[14:45:16] laga: dunno if there's intel binaries of 0.19, though.
[14:45:47] Madkiss: http://collectivity.goof.com/articles/2006/04 . . . -x-ppc-intel
[14:45:54] Madkiss: woot.
[14:46:16] laga: you don't happen to be lurking in ircnet, do you?
[14:46:47] Madkiss: err, yes, i do
[14:47:10] laga: #dbox2, for example?
[14:48:58] Madkiss: I think so.
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[14:49:12] laga: Madkiss: ah, nice. we know each other, then :)
[14:49:21] Madkiss: Of course we do.
[14:49:31] Madkiss: You noticed only now? :P
[14:50:02] laga: *shrug* i had to make sure it's you :)
[14:50:34] laga: there's some other german guys in #mythtv-de, fyi
[14:50:38] Madkiss: Whatver :)
[14:50:58] Madkiss: laga: Cool, we can do a Sauerkraut-Festessen, then.
[14:51:17] laga: that's gonna be awesome
[14:51:41] Madkiss: better than the world-cup for sure.
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[14:55:51] laga: right
[14:56:35] tank-man: left?
[14:57:38] laga: only half the time
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[15:01:42] bluey-: hey, anyone can help me with this error? "Table './mythconverg/program' is marked as crashed and should be repaired"
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[15:24:31] Aid1: anyone here ever go pickup a package from the ups when their package was scheduled to be delivered on monday, on a saturday?
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[15:29:47] GeeKman: yep
[15:30:06] Aid`: do you have to call in ahead of time? or just showup?
[15:30:35] GeeKman: just show up and bring the tracking number and some id
[15:30:49] Aid`: and they don't bite your head off? :)
[15:31:24] GeeKman: they didn't last time i had to hehe
[15:34:37] Juski: re.. temporarily
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[15:40:57] MaximeAD: Hello. I have a problem I can't solve... I installed the mysql-server-4.1 and mysql-client-4.1 package on my Debian and all seems working. (I can connect to mythconvert with the mythtv user using "mysql") (I didn't forget to do "mysql < mc.sql). But when I run the mythtv-setup program, it fails saying it can't connect to the database
[15:42:42] laga: you probably need to install the mysql driver for qt.
[15:43:16] MaximeAD: Thanks
[15:50:32] MaximeAD: I have qt version 3, is the last version should work well for me?
[15:50:41] MaximeAD: Should I choose and older one?
[15:52:22] Anduin: MaximeAD: No.
[15:52:49] MaximeAD: No I shouldn't shoose an older one or no it will not work for me?
[15:53:39] janneg: MaximeAD: qt 4.0 won't work and earlier qt3 version will also not work
[16:01:13] Fnc: can someone help me get a key on my remote mapped to the information center?
[16:02:16] sskk_: I'm in the middle of a painful ubuntu upgrade (from breezy to dapper). Now with a svn-compilled myth, SOME of my recordings will not play their sound!?
[16:03:38] sskk_: When I ./configure mythtv I see that only "OSS support" has a yes. The rest of the Sound Output Support systems (including ALSA) has no – could this be the problem?
[16:04:23] sskk_: To repeat – SOME of my old recordings currently have working sound!?
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[16:19:03] unrooting: anyone familiar with lirc setup for mythtv?
[16:19:16] laga: nope
[16:19:37] sskk_: slightly.
[16:20:10] unrooting: well like i got a lircd.conf file and a lircmd.conf file from the ivtv sit for my remote
[16:20:42] unrooting: and when it is started and i type irw (crashes it and will gove u an error if you push buttons) i do get the errors
[16:20:57] unrooting: i just don't understand how to then get it to work in mythtv
[16:22:13] sskk_: I'm not sure if I get you right, but first step is to receive remote control signals with irw...
[16:23:19] unrooting: yea
[16:23:42] unrooting: like irw crashes lircd which will then let you see errors
[16:23:58] Fnc: erreors Are what???
[16:24:03] unrooting: but the errors means it receives the signal
[16:24:28] unrooting: well not really error s as more as garbage
[16:24:59] Fnc: anything in var log messages?
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[16:28:42] unrooting: naw its not actual errors
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[16:32:22] Fnc: need more info if you want help.. else download lirc and recompile
[16:33:07] Fnc: just download recompile that will fix it
[16:33:10] Fnc: www.lirc.org
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[16:33:24] unrooting: ok from what i understand the remote is working with lirc..but not in mythfrontend
[16:34:07] Fnc: you have the correct lircrc file set in the right spot
[16:34:08] Fnc: ?
[16:35:08] unrooting: ok accoriding to http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_LIRC_for_MythTV the remote is being recongize by the system
[16:35:20] unrooting: but i can seem to figure out how they did the mythtv part
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[16:35:47] Fnc: lircrc
[16:36:30] unrooting: yea but when i type irxevent or irexec as a regular user it just hangs
[16:36:46] unrooting: is that bc i don't have the correct permissions?
[16:37:10] unrooting: maybe it creates a file which i can't create
[16:37:22] Fnc: do this
[16:37:26] Fnc: updatedb
[16:37:31] Fnc: locate lircrc
[16:38:18] unrooting: it only finds it once in portagee so that is not right
[16:38:37] unrooting: also how come i can write files in my own home dir?
[16:38:45] unrooting: that could be one of my problems?
[16:42:20] unrooting: ok i got it to work....
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[16:56:53] unrooting: can u compile lirc support into mythtv
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[17:02:41] Juski: unrooting: add lirc to use USE environment variable.. say in /etc/make.conf
[17:03:29] Juski: pretty important concept to grasp in gentoo, that one ;-)
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[17:04:14] unrooting: i have
[17:04:43] unrooting: but it wasn't a use variable in the use
[17:04:56] Juski: so with lirc in USE, mythtv should be compiled with lirc support when you emerged it
[17:06:37] Juski: unrooting: you just have a standard /etc/make.conf that comes by default? oh dear oh dear
[17:06:49] Juski: you have a lot of emerging to do ;-)
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[17:07:51] unrooting: yes i do
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[17:08:08] Juski: so have you got X & KDE or gnome installed?
[17:08:14] unrooting: nvm i see it know
[17:08:24] Juski: heh
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[17:09:34] unrooting: i have fluxbox
[17:09:44] Juski: ok...
[17:09:49] unrooting: nvm i got it
[17:09:53] Juski: so you found the USE line in your make.conf?
[17:10:06] Juski: if yes, add lirc in there, then emerge mythtv again
[17:10:16] unrooting: no... when i did emerge mythtv the first time i didn't see the lirc flag
[17:10:39] unrooting: i know that...
[17:10:51] unrooting: i just didn't see the flag on the emerge mythtv
[17:11:24] Juski: yeh sometimes easy to miss
[17:12:02] unrooting: anyone know of any good mythtv lircrc for the pvr 350 remote?
[17:12:19] unrooting: i can make more known but i'm kinda lazy right now
[17:12:41] unrooting: own**
[17:12:57] Juski: should be plenty around if you google
[17:14:45] Juski: to paraphrase a saying I heard a while back... "$deity helps those who at least try to help themselves a little" ;)
[17:15:25] liran1: juski, do you want to join me on creating a tux-toon animation series? :P
[17:15:42] liran1: i'm inspired from http://tux.crystalxp.net
[17:16:57] Juski: liran1: like I've got nothing else to do I suppose...
[17:17:06] Juski: that's a 'no' btw
[17:17:32] Juski: I hate penguins
[17:19:09] Cardoe: unrooting: the one it comes with in the mythtv ebuild
[17:19:36] liran1: lol
[17:19:43] liran1: yeah, i was basically joking
[17:19:49] liran1: though i like the concept
[17:20:41] unrooting: the end build comes with one?
[17:20:47] Cardoe: er
[17:20:49] unrooting: ebuild**
[17:20:54] Fnc: anyone set up the motion stuff with myth?
[17:20:57] Cardoe: the one that comes in the tarball
[17:20:59] Cardoe: not ebuild
[17:21:50] Fnc: http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Motion/MotionGuide
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[17:23:04] unrooting: alright thanks i'll have to take a look at it
[17:23:10] masonc: what's a good "best hardware" guide?
[17:23:27] darren_: does mythtv require x-server?
[17:23:32] unrooting: yes
[17:23:42] Juski: does anyone RTFM anymore?
[17:24:05] Juski: you can tell it's the weekend.. I'm more cranky than usual
[17:24:22] masonc: I'll come back monday
[17:25:19] sapbeast: i blame bill gates
[17:25:22] sapbeast: even though its not his fault
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[17:27:20] darren_: anyone using a PVR 500 with an 'ok' signal. I see it splits the signal between the two receivers and am a little worried I'll get 2 channels of junk rather than one reasonable :/
[17:28:08] GreyFoxx: You'd have to have some seriously shitty signal to run into that
[17:28:34] sapbeast: or the fact that pvr-500 with samsung tuners is currently not fully supported, but will be soon
[17:31:18] kayelem: signal was "marginal" on analogue here but I'm running two DVB-T cards, a VCR and a TV off one aerial with an MATV launch amp and a splitter. Improved analogue reception as well. Digital's rock-solid.
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[17:37:52] Juski: heh. my dvb-t tuners are using a lashed-up aerial pointing in generally the right direction
[17:38:43] Juski: hows it going, kayelem?
[17:39:06] bobbyz: Hey, I've got a quick question on user jobs. If I enable commercial flagging on a recording, will my user jobs be run after the commercial flagging is done, or will they be run at the same time as the commercial flagging. Also, are the user jobs run concurrently or sequentially with regard to each other?
[17:40:00] kayelem: Juski, pretty good -been tinkering with other stuff and not been about here much. Damn msntv2 still hasn't shown up though :-(
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[17:43:32] Juski: cooolio
[17:44:16] Juski: well.. gotta pop out in the car again.. something I forgot that I need before I can have my salmon grillé tonight ;-)
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[17:55:09] sapbeast: damn the linux ntfs project now has a 100% operational driver
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[17:56:04] scopeuk: how long till a user coems in and asks how he can use his ntfs partition to store recordingsa
[17:56:07] tank-man: browsing /. ? :)
[17:56:32] scopeuk: rss feed
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[17:58:48] scopeuk: yes i am that sad
[17:59:01] sapbeast: scopeuk: well you probably wont be able to get it to run right away either, but its kind of cool now that they have achieved read/write support
[17:59:36] scopeuk: since when has soemthign beign imposible stoped users wantign us to talk them through it
[17:59:40] Fnc: yea it is..
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[17:59:47] Fnc: link me to the project
[18:00:04] scopeuk: http://isohunt.com/dl.php?id=12623472
[18:00:07] scopeuk: oops
[18:00:09] scopeuk: sorry wrogn link
[18:00:12] scopeuk: http://www.linux-ntfs.org/
[18:00:16] Fnc: i was gunnna say
[18:00:16] scopeuk: damn cut and paste
[18:00:23] sapbeast: someones been watching atlantis :p
[18:00:33] scopeuk: no somoene wants too
[18:00:35] sapbeast: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php? . . . orum_id=2697
[18:00:40] scopeuk: problem with livign this side of the atlantic
[18:02:36] xris: scopeuk: but you get drwho earlier than us.
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[18:03:53] gmoore: hello. i'm putting together a mythtv box. has anyone had success with an MSI TV@nywhere tvtuner? i can't find much on it.
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[18:04:51] scopeuk: xris now if only i watched doctor who it whouldmatter
[18:04:57] scopeuk: the bigger question is how much earlier
[18:05:05] scopeuk: becouse atlantis season two onyl finished a month ago here
[18:05:13] scopeuk: season 3 wont be on till christmass
[18:05:31] xris: scopeuk: drwho is much better than atlantis. heh.
[18:05:50] xris: but, um, I'm sure there are ways you could find atlantis earlier.
[18:06:00] xris: not that I would suggest you do such an illegal thing.
[18:06:05] GreyFoxx: heh
[18:06:06] scopeuk: of course not
[18:06:20] ** scopeuk tries to resist urge to access the winking smily **
[18:11:34] scopeuk: any way onto more legal isses
[18:11:50] scopeuk: maby the linux ntfs driver project
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[18:13:14] xris: heh
[18:13:41] xris: I sure hope they didn't say that it was GPL... since I'm pretty sure the ntfs patent stuff would get in the way of that.
[18:14:18] tank-man: just don't be in usa when using/developing it :)
[18:14:40] kormoc: gmoore, I'd recommend going with a pvr-150 to be honest
[18:14:59] kormoc: gmoore, it'll be easier on your system (hardware encoder rather then software), look better, and isn't that much more
[18:15:06] kormoc: gmoore, also a lot easier to setup usually
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[18:16:21] ** xris heads out to the farmers market... **
[18:16:27] ** kormoc waves **
[18:16:52] tank-man: you a hippy? :)
[18:17:04] tank-man: eating organic foods and such
[18:17:14] kormoc: Mmm... Organic foods...
[18:17:34] tank-man: geneticly modified foods, mmmmm
[18:17:34] Juski: maybe he just likes his food tasting how it should & untainted
[18:17:35] xris: tank-man: if only I still had my pony tail.  :)
[18:18:13] xris: not technically organic, though... the farm I get my stuff from doesn't want to pay the 5-figure fda organic certification racket.
[18:18:23] gmoore: kormoc: i already have the card. i bought a processor and a motherboard used and he threw in the tvtuner.
[18:18:35] xris: (more of a boycott, actually, since fda organic includes a lot of non-organic stuff)
[18:18:47] masonc: I don't have much experience with the different cards, hwo good is the pvr-a50?
[18:18:56] xris: masonc: a?
[18:19:05] kormoc: gmoore, I believe it works, it's a bttv card I believe. It's a software encoder, so you'll need a decently beefy cpu to use that card
[18:19:07] masonc: 150
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[18:19:24] xris: masonc: good card. the most recommended for analog tv
[18:19:31] gmoore: kormoc: barton 2800+ and 512mb pc2700 ddr ram?
[18:19:36] tank-man: what kind of keyboard layout do you have that has the a and 1 next to each other ?
[18:19:48] masonc: how well does the control of a directv system work?
[18:19:49] kormoc: gmoore, that'll work, but around 30% of the cpu will be used for encoding
[18:19:50] tjcarter: hi all, I am having a very strange problem--somehow in my tinkering, channels have gotten offset by one
[18:20:13] tjcarter: channel 31 is actually 32, etc
[18:20:18] tjcarter: any idea how I did that? =)
[18:21:39] tank-man: tjcarter, lots of people have that problem and it is fixable but i'v never paid attention in this channel :)
[18:21:42] xris: masonc: sometimes a pain to get the ir blaster set up, but ones you do it should work well enough.
[18:21:55] xris: I used mythtv with dishnetwork for a couple years before I switched to comcast for the firewire connection
[18:21:56] masonc: great, thanks
[18:22:06] xris: s/ones/once/
[18:22:12] masonc: comcast?
[18:22:17] masonc: for programming?
[18:22:29] xris: huh?
[18:22:30] kormoc: Aye, Digital Cable
[18:22:47] masonc: how does it interface
[18:23:11] xris: firewire
[18:23:21] masonc: no tuner card?
[18:23:24] xris: nope
[18:23:29] kormoc: nope, the cable box is the 'card'
[18:23:38] masonc: does all comcast have this?
[18:23:55] xris: all US cable does. mandated by the fcc
[18:24:07] masonc: ok, interesting
[18:24:09] kormoc: For HD Subscribers
[18:24:09] xris: of course, in some places you only get access to the broadcast channels
[18:24:24] masonc: I have been asked to locate a mythtv box in the US
[18:24:50] kormoc: well, there's at least three in Seattle that I know of... :P
[18:25:00] GeeKman: arn't they supposed to be working on actual pci(pcie) cards for digital cable?
[18:25:07] masonc: so the recorder would only be a pc with firewire
[18:25:19] kormoc: GeeKman, yes, but doubtful linux support
[18:25:33] GeeKman: true, but you never know :)
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[18:25:47] xris: GeeKman: most ota atsc cards these days support QAM for digital cable... but only OTA channels are not encrypted
[18:25:58] gmoore: kormoc: thanks. by the way, 'bttv card'?
[18:26:03] xris: masonc: correct
[18:26:12] xris: gmoore: bttv refers to the name of the driver
[18:26:14] kormoc: gmoore, bttv is the driver to use with the card
[18:26:24] ** GeeKman wishes the $160 pchd3000 he bought would work :/ **
[18:26:24] kormoc: http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/bttv.html
[18:26:39] kormoc: it's in the kernel tree, but there's the web page for it
[18:27:20] masonc: anyone do contract work?
[18:27:32] xris: masonc: depends on what it is
[18:27:44] masonc: design and deploy
[18:27:52] xris: GeeKman: they didn't backport qam support to the 3000?
[18:27:58] xris: masonc: for..?
[18:28:08] GeeKman: there is no ota hd channels here
[18:28:12] masonc: recording machine in one location, playback in another
[18:28:14] GeeKman: and i have never gotten it to work
[18:28:14] xris: you want to pay someone to build you a mythbox?
[18:28:17] masonc: yes
[18:28:20] masonc: two
[18:28:29] kormoc: erm, why?
[18:28:38] kormoc: and will supporting said system be required?
[18:28:41] xris: GeeKman: kind of lame.
[18:28:43] tank-man: he has no love for tinkering
[18:28:48] tjcarter: tank-man: I think I fixed it actually
[18:28:51] masonc: because I am not in the US and would have to fly up and deploy
[18:28:59] kormoc: where in the us?
[18:29:10] tank-man: good :)
[18:29:18] masonc: probably san diego
[18:29:18] xris: masonc: mythtv doesn't work so well across the net.. not to mention that it's illegal.
[18:29:26] tjcarter: I fixed another problem at the same time
[18:29:34] GeeKman: maybe ill give it another try, been since 15 or early 16 version since i have
[18:30:18] masonc: why doesn't it work over the net
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[18:30:27] kormoc: masonc, it requires a fat pipe
[18:30:47] masonc: what is the mechanism to record in one place and play in another
[18:30:48] xris: masonc: think t3
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[18:30:58] xris: masonc: there isn't. it's not legal.
[18:31:07] masonc: can you record to a file then rsync the files?
[18:31:14] masonc: non-realtime
[18:31:17] kormoc: masonc, by default, 2200 kilobytes per second, that's a 18 mbit upstream
[18:31:33] xris: you will get no help from people here to do that kind of thing, though..
[18:32:04] masonc: I have someone who travels and doesn't want to miss his shows while away
[18:32:12] tank-man: watching recorded tv over the net is illegal?
[18:33:03] kormoc: masonc, well, if you want to pay me up front, I'd build and mail him the two mythboxes, and he can take it from there
[18:33:07] masonc: so recording it in san diego and watching it in new york is illigal, but recording it to VHS and taking the tape with you isn't?
[18:33:43] masonc: what makes it illegal
[18:33:45] kormoc: tank-man, well, it's sorta a grey area if recording tv is actual legal right now anyway.
[18:33:46] tank-man: lots of stuff is illegal in this post 9–11 world we live in
[18:34:05] masonc: let's presume it is never used in America
[18:34:10] masonc: since I don't live there
[18:35:16] masonc: breathing is now illegal unless you have a permit
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[18:35:39] kormoc: Most of the devs and users in here are american, and thus, we have a rather strict, we don't talk about it if it's illegal where we are going on
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[18:35:57] tank-man: its illegal to breath in smoke in a restaruant/bar now too in some places
[18:36:10] masonc: ireland (kills me)
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[18:36:21] kormoc: masonc, and where do you live? Your ip says Miami Florida
[18:36:29] kormoc: Also in Seattle
[18:36:33] xris: masonc: the difference is in the word "household"... it's legal to record for display in your household.. if you own a house in CA and NY, it's legal. it's NOT legal for your friend to record a show for you (on tape, even) and give you a copy.
[18:36:45] kormoc: must be 25 foot from any public place of business
[18:36:49] masonc: ok, so we are legal then
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[18:37:07] xris: tank-man: illegal to smoke within 25 feet of a place of business in all of WA. and I *like* it.
[18:37:10] tank-man: household? i thought if for personal use it is ok
[18:37:18] masonc: same person, in his house, happy to pay for everything
[18:37:25] xris: tank-man: last I checked, the law used "household" for personal use.
[18:37:27] masonc: just wants convenience
[18:37:59] tank-man: rapid synopsis please :) what was your question masonc ?
[18:38:43] masonc: no longer have a question
[18:38:49] falseeyes: Hi.. can anyone help me with knoppmyth and my radeon 9200?
[18:38:55] xris: masonc: you likely still won't find much help here for connecting the machines together across the net... but you might find someone to set up the boxes for you.
[18:39:17] masonc: ok, that's good
[18:39:19] masonc: thanks
[18:39:21] kormoc: falseeyes, you're gonna have fun. Ati's linux support is wonderfully... lacking
[18:40:12] falseeyes: I saw that someone on the gossamer-threads site said it's so easy.
[18:40:32] masonc: but the firewire idea is very interesting
[18:40:34] ** kormoc laughs **
[18:40:43] masonc: will have to find out if that is available
[18:41:05] kormoc: falseeyes, it's not that bad, but it tends to break often, and ati doesn't have support for things like xvmc
[18:41:24] falseeyes: Ok... in that case how about audio problems with a WinTV-PVR 150
[18:41:24] kormoc: falseeyes, you should go to ati's site, and download the driver, and follow the directions
[18:41:33] kormoc: what sort of audio problems?
[18:41:34] ** xris leaves now... **
[18:41:46] falseeyes: video works great. Audio is static on most channels
[18:41:51] tank-man: would lack of xvmc cause laggy picture ?
[18:42:06] tank-man: choppy
[18:42:27] falseeyes: When the audio is clean, it's synced and things are great
[18:42:29] kormoc: tank-man, it can help fix that, but it wouldn't cause it
[18:42:32] masonc: what is the normal use for firewire on a cable modem?
[18:43:13] scopeuk: cam corders
[18:43:17] scopeuk: camcorders*
[18:43:41] masonc: how is a slignbox legal?
[18:43:46] masonc: slingbox
[18:44:18] falseeyes: I suspect slingbox is only legal for personal use.
[18:44:36] scopeuk: same boat here
[18:45:28] scopeuk: fell free to configure your myth to do anythign you like legal or other wise jsut dont brign this channel into disribute over it
[18:45:38] masonc: sure
[18:45:43] masonc: didn't mean to
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[18:46:26] tank-man: theres a plugin called mythtrancode, makes it easier to stream over the net
[18:46:42] tank-man: easier = less bandwith needed
[18:46:52] masonc: that's what I need
[18:46:53] masonc: thanks
[18:47:40] falseeyes: Anyone have any ideas on the audio static? I suspect it's a tuning issue, but I'm not sure. Like I said, some channels sound great.
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[18:49:44] masonc: PVR-150 or PVR-250 – advice?
[18:50:06] scopeuk: google
[18:51:25] masonc: google what
[18:52:35] scopeuk: reviews
[18:52:42] masonc: I;ve read them
[18:52:48] masonc: but I don't have personal experience
[18:52:59] masonc: so anyone who has a preference, I would likie to hear from you
[18:53:27] falseeyes: For what it's worth I've tried the WinTV Go Plus, which didn't work at all — scantv couldn't find a single channel, and the PVR-150, which picks up all channels, but pulls in noting but static in the audio. I haven't tried the 250, but I may trade up if I can't get the 150 to work
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[18:56:07] NightMonkey: PVR-350. One stop solution for encoding and decoding over S-Video, and remote control. Solid since 8/2004.
[18:56:18] masonc: excelelnt
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[18:59:13] masonc: how about remotes?
[18:59:26] sapbeast: just use a media center remote (really)
[18:59:59] masonc: ok
[19:00:11] sapbeast: the usb ones are easy to setup, at least comparitavely
[19:01:02] masonc: suggested manufacturer?
[19:01:08] NightMonkey: sapbeast: Do those require LIRC to work?
[19:02:44] sapbeast: well yeah
[19:02:57] sapbeast: im looking at mine right now :p
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[19:05:01] masonc: what is the best interface to a Plasma – DVI?
[19:06:25] GeeKman: hdmi if both ends can support it
[19:07:03] scopeuk: on the subject nvidia are relasing hdmi cards soon
[19:07:17] GeeKman: is it finaly confirmed?
[19:07:19] NightMonkey: scopeuk: Linky?
[19:07:26] scopeuk: was on toms a few days ago
[19:07:31] scopeuk: give me a cuppel mins to find it
[19:07:42] NightMonkey: somegeek: Ah, I can find it there, thanks.
[19:08:01] scopeuk: damn thought it was nvid
[19:08:05] scopeuk: turns out its ati
[19:08:10] scopeuk: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/2006/07/10/ati_hdcp_hdmi/
[19:08:16] scopeuk: oh well ones never more than a few months behind the other
[19:08:28] NightMonkey: Ah, ati, bleh
[19:08:34] masonc: so, for now, DVI is the best?
[19:08:42] scopeuk: from a pc yes
[19:08:59] Aid1: does anyone know if the UPS site only updates once a day?
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[19:11:21] somedude_: What is the best distro to use on a mythtv-settop
[19:11:47] somedude_: .
[19:11:53] Aid`: its all about which one, I think your most comfortable on
[19:11:58] liran1: right
[19:12:05] liran1: for me, it's debian unstable/sid.
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[19:12:31] NightMonkey: somedude: What's your favored distro, personally?
[19:12:57] somedude: NightMonkey: well ive been using mandirva, on my corporate machines i run fedora
[19:13:06] somedude: NightMonkey: but im open to anythign really
[19:13:41] NightMonkey: somedude: Probably try with Fedora, then. I haven't heard anything about mandriva + Myth (doesn't mean that it isn't supported, tho).
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[19:14:16] somedude: NightMonkey: im currently running a mandriva+myth box and it works ok. but i think its got to much overhead
[19:14:28] somedude: NightMonkey: im plannign on wiping the box so i wanted to see what a good dristro would be
[19:14:51] NightMonkey: somedude: Wow, if you've already got it set up, then maybe all you need to do is troubleshoot it?
[19:15:08] somedude: NightMonkey: well not after what ive done, i got 5 kernelsn installed on the box
[19:15:12] zoomorfo: hello
[19:15:14] somedude: NightMonkey: and allot of other stuff :-P
[19:15:48] somedude: NightMonkey: i didnt manage to get my dvb working but i finalyl got a IR blaster working, so its time to put this thing togeter in a means that actualy works...
[19:16:23] zoomorfo: I think I've configured right myth, but when I thy to see the vcr thru the composite input I can't
[19:16:35] zoomorfo: it only shows antenna :(
[19:16:39] somedude: NightMonkey: also sicne i need to re-compile X11 because of GATOS i get alolt of dependecy errors.
[19:16:43] zoomorfo: some advice?
[19:16:56] zoomorfo: (debian etch + pinnacle pctv)
[19:16:58] NightMonkey: somedude: Well, Fedora has a good amount of people represented here.
[19:17:12] somedude: NightMonkey: hmm maybe i shoudl do fedora then :)
[19:17:32] NightMonkey: somedude: I use Gentoo, but there's no reason for you to switch to something else, it would seem.
[19:17:43] somedude: NightMonkey: i heard good things about gentoo
[19:17:51] somedude: NightMonkey: esp when it comes to tv and nix
[19:17:56] NightMonkey: somedude: I've seen excellent docs on Fedora + MythTV (Jarod's Guide).
[19:18:18] NightMonkey: somedude: "nix"?
[19:18:31] somedude: NightMonkey: it seems myth is the esiest part to configure (nix being unix/linux/irix any Ix or Ux)
[19:18:37] NightMonkey: Ah.
[19:19:00] somedude: oh yeh theres hp-ux to... umm free bsd breaks the modle but you get the idea..
[19:19:01] NightMonkey: somedude: Well, it can be tricky – it really depends on your hardware choices.
[19:19:20] somedude: NightMonkey: lOl well i figured out all the patching i need to do to get me pvr150 running :)
[19:19:37] somedude: NightMonkey: but the cx88 dvb just doesnt wanna work :-S
[19:20:10] NightMonkey: somedude: I went "PVR-350" -> ivtv, MyBlaster Serial -> serial port remote control.
[19:20:26] NightMonkey: somedude: What ivtv version?
[19:20:46] NightMonkey: somedude: And kernel?
[19:20:53] somedude: ugh well this box was set up a while ago and at the time u used this method of pvr: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24
[19:21:02] somedude: for lirc.
[19:21:19] somedude: (wonder if those changed have been merged.. yet..)
[19:21:27] NightMonkey: somedude: I use lirc, but only for the Haupaugge remote, not the IR blaster.
[19:21:41] somedude: wow i just dmesg
[19:21:41] somedude: ivtv: version 0.3.8 (tagged release) loading
[19:22:01] somedude: NightMonkey: well i found the ir control codes to control my dvb box with  :) so yay
[19:23:01] somedude: (thank god too. i lost the remote somwhere :-S for that box)
[19:23:11] NightMonkey: somedude: Wow, old ivtv. And that blog has some weird versions used for lirc. I use lirc 0.8.0, no problems.
[19:23:38] somedude: NightMonkey: like i said i set this up like a year ago..
[19:23:56] NightMonkey: somedude: Gotcha.
[19:24:13] somedude: NightMonkey: im wondeirng if all this patch has been implemetned in the new versio of ivtv.. time to check
[19:24:22] NightMonkey: somedude: Check http://www.ivtvdriver.org/ for kernel<->ivtv version matching, and some hints.
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[19:25:52] somedude: ok any one have any idea how to check if those pataches have been implementing into ivtv
[19:25:56] NightMonkey: somedude: I made the jump from kernel 2.6.15 w/ ivtv 0.4.5 to kernel 2.6.16 w/ ivtv 0.6.3 on 7/5, and it's been working great. Now, whenever I get the courage to bump to MythTV 0.19 (when I know MythstreamTV works with it), I'll finally see if VBI works.
[19:26:14] NightMonkey: somedude: Check the changelog?
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[19:27:44] somedude: wow lirc never changed!
[19:27:51] NightMonkey: ?
[19:28:14] somedude: lirc-0.8.0.tar.bz2 – 503 kB
[19:28:14] somedude: released: 21-Jan-2006
[19:28:58] NightMonkey: somedude: Why should it? What bug are you waiting on their fixing?
[19:29:43] NightMonkey: somedude: Ah, for compatibility w/ kernel 2.6.16, perhaps?
[19:29:47] somedude: pvr150 blaster fix :-P
[19:30:13] NightMonkey: somedude: Oh, right, sorry. Let me look that up.
[19:31:07] NightMonkey: somedude: Let me see if Gentoo patched it... one sec.
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[19:32:08] somedude: lOl where is the ganoo download :-S
[19:34:48] somedude: i dought thye have gatos merged into their x to..
[19:38:31] somedude: sweet they do im liking it already (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_TV-Out#Gatos_drivers)
[19:39:52] NightMonkey: somedude: They haven't added that patch to lirc – so your method will have to be used again.
[19:40:16] somedude: NightMonkey: ok thanx.. i used the minimal install cd to isntll?
[19:40:17] NightMonkey: somedude: And, there's a success report with that: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-451471-h . . . blaster.html
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[19:40:58] NightMonkey: somedude: Oh, please read the Gentoo install docs before embarking.
[19:41:09] somedude: oh oh y
[19:41:09] somedude: lol
[19:41:47] NightMonkey: somedude: Really, I thought I "knew linux" before I installed Gentoo, back in 2003. I didn't.
[19:41:56] somedude: lOl
[19:41:59] somedude: time to learn then :)
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[19:42:40] NightMonkey: somedude: Once you get the feel, it'll make more sense. However, you don't need to compile everything – use the Gentoo Reference Platform. Then you can compile as needed later.
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[19:43:53] NightMonkey: somedude: Really, all I actually "knew" was RedHat's way of doing things, not how the actual parts really work (and how actually flexible the interrelationships among components are).
[19:44:11] NightMonkey: somedude: </rant off>
[19:44:27] somedude: NightMonkey: oh thats k... lOl i played with slackware and debian back in 95 :-D
[19:44:33] somedude: version 2 i think it was..
[19:44:50] ** somedude shtters **
[19:45:05] somedude: ahh my first (failed) kernal compile..
[19:45:21] somedude: i still used fdish to partitions my harddrives.. lol i still remember FIPS
[19:48:15] NightMonkey: somedude: Plus, I got tired of hand-compiling the parts of my "for work" servers that were actually critical. Web shops -> hand compile Apache + PHP/mod_perl/etc + kernel. Network shops -> compile kernel, strip out tons of distro cruft. So, I'd end up with servers that were "half managed" -> some components managed by distro tools, then some components managed by Yours Truly. Not good.
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[19:51:03] NightMonkey: somedude: Once you get the basic system going (watch those USE flags and be considervative on CFLAGS), there's usually some Gentoo folks here to help you out.
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[19:54:38] somedude_: NightMonkey: you wehre kididng everyuitng is manual!
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[19:57:23] NightMonkey: somedude: ?
[19:57:30] NightMonkey: somedude: You mean the install process?
[19:57:51] jason3: quick question: Is it difficult to set up myth to use two different HD's? (I have a 160 gig and 200 gig drive, and I'd like to use both)
[19:58:10] NightMonkey: somedude: Yeah, but it really isn't so bad – the docs are large because they are *good*...
[19:58:52] NightMonkey: somedude: I leared a ton by just installing Gentoo. I felt like the training wheels were finally taken off.
[19:59:22] NightMonkey: somedude: It isn't for everyone. Again, there are many other folks with successful installs on other distros.
[19:59:28] Fnc: jason3: cake
[19:59:47] NightMonkey: somedude: Unfortunately, that guide I mentioned to you (Jarod's Guide) appears to be getting kinda dated.
[20:00:19] jason3: Fnc: awesome, thanks. Is it a problem if I install one drive now and another one later, or should they both be in there for the initial configuration?
[20:00:25] NightMonkey: somedude: But, the official docs at docs.mythtv.org are always good to check.
[20:00:50] Fnc: jason3 doesnt matter
[20:00:59] jason3: ok cool
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[20:01:22] Fnc: jason3 best thing to do would be get it set up on the smaller one, then mount the bigger one, for your recordings
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[20:01:31] somedude_: NightMonkey: its ok. i wanted to do LFS but that takes too much time.. this is the next berst thigns
[20:01:33] NightMonkey: somedude: Sorry, http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall , rather.
[20:02:01] NightMonkey: somedude: If there is some conflict between what the Gentoo Wiki says, and the official docs, go with the official docs...
[20:02:03] jason3: Fnc: But I would still have something like 150 gigs free on the original drive, wouldn't I? I can still use those right
[20:02:17] Fnc: yup
[20:03:28] NightMonkey: somedude: That was the exact decision I made – LFS looks cool, but so much effort. Gentoo was the answer – still learn a ton, but not get ground down in really mundane tasks.
[20:03:59] ** NightMonkey is lazy **
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[20:12:14] jason3: would an AMD XP 2000+ be i586 or i686?
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[20:13:56] dhr: jason3: i686 or better (athlon)
[20:14:08] jason3: ok cool, thanks
[20:15:20] dhr: i686 is close to optimal for athlon. optimizing for athlon makes only small improvements. But if you are gentoo, you probably care about the difference.
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[20:17:49] dhr: some odd code (codecs?) might be able to exploit SSE and 3dnow and 3dnoext features of the CPU. (see /proc/cpuinfo if you care)
[20:18:58] jason3: does mythtv have any way to tell if a sports games has run into overtime (other than me having to manually tell it to record an extra hour or so)? My Tivo kept cutting out whenever a world cup game went into OT.
[20:20:10] dhr: jason3: where could that information come from?
[20:20:16] NightMonkey: jason3: Nope. You're best bet is to set the show to record an additional +30 minutes or whatever you wish.
[20:20:29] NightMonkey: Ack. You're -> Your.
[20:21:39] tjcarter: w00t
[20:21:45] tjcarter: I think that was possibly not even hard
[20:22:05] tjcarter: lots of little details, but the myth box seems to be basically doing the right thing for now
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[20:22:34] Kelerion: evening all
[20:23:09] Kelerion: oops..brb
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[20:23:40] tjcarter: jason3: it's really hard to do that. You'd need some kind of video analysis. Way hard unless the network transmitted info like "show going into overtime" in like the EIT information.
[20:23:42] sapbeast: man if you used a i586 class cpu for linux these days you would want to gouge your eyeballs out from how slow it is
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[20:24:22] jason3: dhr: I thought that the online site that MythTV get its info from might broadcast some sort of warning or something
[20:24:36] tjcarter: I can't imagine i586-class
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[20:25:15] sapbeast: i got gentoo running on the dual pentium pro 200mhz finally at work on friday... and even then its god awful slow
[20:25:20] sapbeast: and thats i686 class
[20:25:28] sapbeast: so if there is slower, man it would be SLOW
[20:25:42] jason3: Oh, oh well does the Auto-Commerical skip/delete work? Have you ever had it delete part of the program?
[20:26:22] GreyFoxx: Hehe My Old P75 (Overclocked to P90) firewall just died last summer. 10+ years service as a linux firewall :)
[20:26:32] jason3: and does the DVD ripper work on copy-protected dvds?
[20:27:32] NightMonkey: jason3: Please don't ask those kinds of questions here.
[20:27:55] jason3: NightMonkey: Isn't this the place to ask it? Where should I ask?
[20:28:34] NightMonkey: jason3: Somewhere else. This channel is logged, and published on the web. We don't need to make MythTV's legal greyness any darker.
[20:28:34] GreyFoxx: jason3: It will yes, assuming youhave libdvdcss and such installed
[20:28:46] NightMonkey: OK, I give up.
[20:29:05] jason3: NightMonkey: I'm not doing anything illegal. I own the DVD's, I'm just going down to college and would rather not have to lug all of them down and back
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[20:29:57] NightMonkey: jason3: I'm not disagreeing with your intentions, or making accusations. Some of us just want to keep everything "above board", even when "above board" is patently ludicrous.
[20:30:11] NightMonkey: (But legally safer)
[20:30:15] jason3: NightMonkey: OK, gotcha
[20:30:59] NightMonkey: I don't want MythTV trashed in the legal wars over Copyright/Patents/etc.
[20:31:38] GreyFoxx: I doubt anyone does
[20:32:06] NightMonkey: GreyFoxx: Except, perhaps, the members of the MPAA/RIAA.
[20:32:30] GreyFoxx: True, bastards they are
[20:33:24] tjcarter: hm, I saw something about a Mactel Myth frontend, but also that a lot of people were having trouble getting it to work
[20:33:28] NightMonkey: GreyFoxx: With lots of lawyers, and lots of money, and time to grind people into the ground with legal challenges, guilty or not.
[20:34:37] NightMonkey: GreyFoxx: Do you develop for MythTV? If so, you should be extra careful about advice you give here...
[20:34:45] GreyFoxx: NightMonkey: I do
[20:34:57] GreyFoxx: Any there is NOTHING illegal about ripping your own DVD's
[20:35:05] tjcarter: as I have yet to actually try having a frontend and backend on different machines, what's involved in this? (reference to TFM to R not objectionable if TFM is helpful)
[20:35:08] NightMonkey: GreyFoxx: OK. IANAL.
[20:35:12] GreyFoxx: IF he had asked about downloading movies,sharing shows, hacking sat I would have agreed with you
[20:36:14] GreyFoxx: And besides, telling someone that an appcan do something isnot the same as instructing them how to do it, or telling them it's ok to do
[20:36:42] NightMonkey: Hmm... isn't defeating copyright protections a DMCA violation? I gotta check up on that.
[20:37:01] GreyFoxx: Not all of us live in your DMCA controlled land of freedom
[20:37:02] Fnc: Fight Fight
[20:37:17] GreyFoxx: But I believe you are right and it is under the DMCA
[20:37:38] GreyFoxx: and again, telling someone that something can do something is not the same as actually doing it or telling the user how
[20:38:51] NightMonkey: GreyFoxx: Yes, you are lucky. If you're in the EU, you have the EU Copyright Directive, which isn't so bad.
[20:39:19] masonc: if you flag yourself as a way to extract the dvd content to a hard drive, you will be crushed by the MPAA, whether is it legal or not
[20:40:21] NightMonkey: Fnc: No fight. So disappointing, I know.
[20:40:31] Fnc: dangit
[20:40:32] GreyFoxx: It really is a shame that people can be cowed to not do something thatis perfectly legal because of fear of litigation. Seriously big corps with deep pockets can sue and most people give up jus cause they can't afford to defend themselves :(
[20:41:27] GreyFoxx: Hell,years ago dishnet went after every buyer of a card programmer. They had no proof that it was in anyway used to hack sat signals, nor that the people even had a dish at all
[20:42:04] Fnc: i know a lot of home theater types have their dvds ripped to super huge servers so they can browse them online, and hot have to swich out disks.. in fact theres quite a few us sellers that sell the servers for this purpose
[20:42:15] GreyFoxx: but because the payment they demanded ($10k US) was less than it would cost a the people to defend themselves a lot of people ended up settling and giving them their legal hardware and the a lot of money
[20:42:28] Fnc: yup... i know some security people that got some programmers to play with smart cards and they got some letters in the mail
[20:43:49] GreyFoxx: Same here. I had a friend who was working on a project for his company using the same card programmers. They were going to use them for internal security passes
[20:44:01] GreyFoxx: and he got a letter claiming he was hacking sat signals
[20:44:23] GreyFoxx: his company was a large bank and pissed all over dishnet who went home with their tail between their legs
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[20:57:13] DieMumie1: i am using mythtv 0.19, and video is laging behind for a second or more on tv
[20:57:36] Fnc: cool!
[20:59:52] DieMumie1: i use a simple bt848 capture card,..
[21:01:22] tjcarter: hmm, speaking of people in the US, the cheapest framegrabber that actually looks like it might be useful is the Sabrent SBT-TVFM from Newegg. I got it hoping for a Philips card and found out the new ones are bt878s.. What're the chances of getting the remote working with lirc? =)
[21:02:01] Fnc: tjcarter: $$? does it do audio over pci?
[21:04:13] tjcarter: I don't know if it does audio over PCI
[21:04:18] tjcarter: I ran a patch cable
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[21:05:31] tjcarter: knoppmyth is still kinda hybrid OSS/ALSA and there are /dev/dsp[1–3] sitting there. I don't know if tvaudio or its ALSA equiv work with it
[21:05:51] DrMitch: hmm...how do i set a program to auto-flag chan and transcode after recording by default ?
[21:06:04] tjcarter: Mostly I got it for live TV watching with the intention to get a WinTV PVR card later
[21:06:08] DrMitch: i have it set in the recording profiles, but it's not doing it
[21:08:10] tjcarter: Fnc: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815123001
[21:08:34] tjcarter: er wait, that's the wrong one
[21:08:45] tjcarter: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815123001
[21:09:02] tjcarter: er, no, it's the right one =)
[21:10:31] tjcarter: anyway, the remote is terrible really, but it's included and I don't have an alternative right now
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[21:16:03] tjcarter: anyway, the thing looks just like the one that comes with WinTV cards, but I can't guess at the electronics
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[21:20:57] NightMonkey: Hmm... http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc8.7 has a link to a store purported to sell the "Actisys IR-200L", but the store apparently doesn't carry it.
[21:23:56] NightMonkey: The MyBlaster series is much better, anyways, IMO. ;)
[21:26:19] SlicerDicer-: hey xris
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[21:27:41] scottder: Hey all, I know WinMyth is way out of dat, are there any other Windows frontends?
[21:30:13] tank-man: just install linux
[21:30:13] scottder: ahnm found what I was looking for
[21:30:36] tank-man: you can watch from mythweb in windows
[21:38:47] tjcarter: NightMonkey: MyBlaster?
[21:39:48] NightMonkey: tjcarter: http://www.mytvstore.com/product_id_004.html
[21:40:34] NightMonkey: tjcarter: Nice, 'cause it doesn't need LIRC at all to do its job. Just a serial port. And they support Linux/Myth very well.
[21:43:05] NightMonkey: tjcarter: Working for me for almost 2 years – no major hiccups. Only missed a days shows because the tape holding this device in front of my sat box let go...
[21:44:29] NightMonkey: tjcarter: Only wish they'd used a black cable, rather than a grey/beige one, but that's a minor aesthetic quibble.
[21:46:20] tjcarter: NightMonkey: that's cool
[21:46:42] ** tjcarter looks around said website looking for better remotes =) **
[21:48:38] tjcarter: dohm they don't have them.
[21:52:43] tjcarter: Speedy2: sorry, can't reply, freenode won't let me.
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[22:01:06] Speedy2: tjcarter: Does your remote have red/green/blue/yellow buttons on it?
[22:01:49] tjcarter: No, that sounds like the WinTV remote
[22:02:31] tjcarter: this is boring grey buttons in a bizzare layout with a foil background on a black remote.
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[22:15:21] AngryElf: hey everyone, I'm trying to set up a ir blaster for my cable box.......if I have a working remote to the box do i generate the /etc/lircd.conf file from that remote?
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[22:16:03] TiTaN_pi8: hello
[22:16:42] TiTaN_pi8: is there a way to disable icon grabbing with mythfilldatabase?
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[22:21:23] Madkiss: That's the easiest way for configuring my DVB-S-Card?
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[22:29:45] tjcarter: AngryElf: I think that may be the best way to do it
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[22:30:30] tjcarter: AngryElf: does your cable box not have serial?
[22:30:37] AngryElf: a serial?
[22:31:19] AngryElf: ...i've been using my cable remote for lirc for a while now anyways — so i already have a lircd.conf for the remote....now i'm just trying to get it working with a blaster — not on the same box though
[22:31:28] tjcarter: I haven't tried to get it working with MythTV, but Comcast uses these Motorola boxes which have a 35mm headphone jack labelled serial.
[22:31:45] AngryElf: what good is that?
[22:31:56] AngryElf: serial to serial connection?
[22:32:59] tjcarter: a straight 35mm stereo patch cable from my TiVo controlled it fine. Theoretically you could build a serial cable for it and send the remote codes without an IR blaster
[22:33:09] tjcarter: if TiVo can, Myth should be able to.
[22:34:10] scopeuk: thers the infinate confidence i lack
[22:34:19] scopeuk: could well be at ttl levels or anything
[22:34:25] Speedy2: Building the transmitter for the serial port is trivial.
[22:34:30] scopeuk: personaly id want to get eitehr a data sheet or put a meter on ti first
[22:35:23] AngryElf: my box doesn't have a serial port :(
[22:35:34] AngryElf: usb port tho, but that's probably a bit more tricky, besides i have the irblaster right here
[22:35:38] oblib: Any tips on getting the channels set-up for OTA HDTV?
[22:35:40] Speedy2: AngryElf: You sure? Some motherboard vendors put the header for the serial port
[22:35:55] scopeuk: yeh ive seen that done a few times
[22:36:05] AngryElf: i'm talking about on the cable box
[22:36:24] Fnc: oblib, i just do a scan
[22:36:34] scopeuk: AngryElf fair enough
[22:36:55] oblib: Fnc: A scan picks up like 3 of 6 I can get manually
[22:37:17] Fnc: you have the fta box unchecked?
[22:37:36] oblib: hmm, I think it is checked
[22:38:02] Fnc: try unchecking and rescan.. (not sure if it makes a difference or not)
[22:38:53] oblib: My other problem is that even if I get some channels to show up, when I go to Watch TV, it says it can't lock on the signal and just shows black
[22:39:07] oblib: If I manually tune it and watch it with mplayer, it works fine
[22:39:13] Fnc: odd
[22:39:32] Fnc: was gunna say maybe you need to adjust your antenna
[22:39:48] Fnc: you can turn the lock % down some
[22:40:01] Fnc: and the time it takes to lck
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[22:40:46] oblib: I'm thinking it's not getting the frequencies right or something. There is an option in channel scan to use a channels.conf file, but I couldn't get that to work.
[22:40:59] oblib: I tried messing with the lock %
[22:41:16] oblib: azap locks on within 5 seconds for sure
[22:41:37] Fnc: yeah azap is a lot quicker with its scannin
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[22:43:25] Fnc: your card got recoginized correctly tuner and all that on boot?
[22:43:41] sskk: I'm (one of those) having difficulties with lirc.. I have lirc working (irw gives me good output) and I have placed a lircrc file in my .mythtv dir. But no reaction when I press the remote i mythtv. How could I troubleshoot this?
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[22:44:41] sskk: (mythtv should be compiled with "lirc yes" and I find no hints in the frontend's output)
[22:44:55] Rouki: ive got an odd issue, when i try using mplayer to watch /dev/video0 with mplayer -vo xv /dev/video0, it errors and recomends x11 instead of xv
[22:45:01] Rouki: how can i get xv to work?
[22:45:33] Speedy2: Rouki: what does "xvinfo" list ?
[22:45:42] Speedy2: Rouki: What video card?
[22:45:43] Rouki: no adapters present
[22:45:49] Speedy2: ATI?
[22:45:53] Rouki: and the card is ati
[22:45:53] Rouki: yes
[22:45:55] Speedy2: Ok
[22:45:57] oblib: Fnc, I'm not sure
[22:46:13] oblib: The last entry in dmesg is that the tuner is not found or somethign
[22:46:27] Speedy2: Rouki: Do a search on "enabling xv" "Linux" and that should turn up something. You need to add an option in the xorg.conf like Option "overlay on" or osmething
[22:46:43] Rouki: k
[22:46:48] Rouki: then xv will work?
[22:46:50] Rouki: exellent.
[22:46:55] Rouki: you guys rock!
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[22:47:13] sskk: Speedy2: What driver are you using for your ATI card?
[22:47:37] Rouki: fglrx ati
[22:47:57] Speedy2: Rouki: Yep, xv will work
[22:48:09] oblib: sskk, when you start the frontend, does LIRC report a client in the syslog?
[22:48:25] Madkiss: Err, apparently, it's nowhere documeneted in a sensible way how to properly integrate a DVB-S-card into MythTV.
[22:49:04] Madkiss: I have absolutely no idea how all this "video source"-stuff would fit together with my DVB-card
[22:49:56] scopeuk: what part of it dont you understand?
[22:50:14] sskk: oblib: no it doesn't – I guess that's a problem
[22:50:18] ** scopeuk attempts to remember which way round the sources etc are so he doesent make himself look too stupid **
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[22:51:11] dhr: [I'm a newbie] I'm trying mythweb (it's very powerful). On one of my computers, in the recorded programs page, when I hover over the icon for a program, I see a URL that starts with the domain name of my mythtv box. On a different computer, it shows a URL with 127.0.0.1. Why would that happen? (Neither of these computers is the mythtv box. I'm using firefox in both. The good one is running LINUX, bad: WnXP)
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[22:53:29] Rouki: Speedy2: why is it that when i look in my xorg.conf file i have max res set to 800x600, but kde bumps up to 1024.
[22:53:38] Rouki: i want to perminantly set to 8x6
[22:55:00] sskk: Rouki: Check your "Display" section inside your "screen" section
[22:55:04] scopeuk: change it in kde?
[22:55:20] Rouki: ok
[22:55:38] Rouki: i got it to work with xv now, but as far as getting the tv out to see it, its now not working.
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[22:57:12] sskk: Rouki: ATI-cards are a pain under linux! Especially the TV-out features. What card are you using?
[22:57:23] Rouki: 9600xt
[22:57:51] sskk: and you are using the fglrx driver?
[22:57:54] Rouki: yes
[22:58:25] Speedy2: Rouki: There is setting, like "option "tvon" true" , you need to flip that option
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[22:58:46] Rouki: flip that option on?
[22:58:51] Rouki: i have it under force.
[22:58:55] Rouki: hold... rebooting box.
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[23:01:39] DrMitch: in recording profiles, i have "Enable auto-transcode after recording" selected for every group. but after recording, it doesn't auto-transcode, i've check under "Post Recording Processing" and "Transcode new recordings" and "Commercial Flag new recordings" is selected. but it still doesn't do EITHER after recording, nor does it even show it in the "system status/job queue" any clue?
[23:02:26] Rouki: Speedy2: where can i spit out a copy of my xorg.conf to you.
[23:03:37] Speedy2: Rouki: Just /msg me
[23:03:43] Rouki: ok
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[23:04:09] xris: DrMitch: : make sure your default transcode profile isn't just set to "lossless"
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[23:04:50] DrMitch: it isn't
[23:04:53] rtsai: xris: any plans to make the "advanced" search thing not take up so much space on the search results page?
[23:05:13] xris: rtsai: definitely going to clean it up a bit.
[23:05:24] xris: basic search will show in its own way
[23:05:29] xris: with tabs to switch between things
[23:05:43] Speedy2: Rouki: ATI has some configuration program (I think it's aticonfig) you can tell that to enable TV-out and it will create the correct xorg.conf for you
[23:06:20] Rouki: it forces tv on
[23:06:28] Speedy2: But that doesn't work for you?
[23:06:39] Rouki: i can see kde on my tv
[23:06:54] Rouki: but when i go to play tv /dev/video0 using mplayer, it doesnt work
[23:07:15] Rouki: when i tell it to disable opengloverlay, mplayer on my monitor works, but no tv.
[23:07:25] Rouki: just a blank window.
[23:07:39] Speedy2: Rouki: You just want the option that forces overlay on, to get xv
[23:07:46] AngryElf: anyone know waht compile options i need to enable for LIRC to get my home-brew transmitter working?
[23:07:57] Rouki: yeah
[23:08:02] Speedy2: Rouki: Does mplayer working playing some other clip (avi file, etc)
[23:08:11] Rouki: lemme check
[23:08:20] Speedy2: err, does mplayer work playing...
[23:09:00] Rouki: ok, speedy
[23:09:06] Rouki: i did this in my xorg
[23:09:10] Rouki: EnableOverlay yes
[23:09:17] Rouki: and enableopengloverlay no
[23:09:31] Speedy2: Ok, that seems right
[23:09:53] Rouki: but on the tv, where the video is playing, just a black window
[23:10:30] Rouki: now before messing with my xorg.conf file, i could play videos fine on the tv
[23:10:38] Rouki: just not "watch tv"
[23:10:42] Speedy2: Rouki: And mplayer is set to use -vo xv ?
[23:10:49] Rouki: how to i check that.
[23:10:55] xris: AngryElf: google "losdos mythtv" for a howto for compiling lirc for an ir blaster.
[23:11:51] Speedy2: Rouki: How are you invoking mplayer?
[23:12:06] Madkiss: What is a "video source" and what does it have to do with my DVB-Card? And why do I have to configure some obscure XMLTV-Thing for it?
[23:12:28] Speedy2: Madkiss: If you have a DVB card you may consider VDR, it's better for that stuff.
[23:12:29] Rouki: when i did a mplayer videofile.avi it worked
[23:12:48] Speedy2: Rouki /msg me let's take this out of the channel
[23:12:50] Madkiss: Speedy2: VDR doesn't allow me to watch TV on my iMac with remote control and everything.
[23:13:01] Rouki: ok
[23:13:03] Madkiss: Well, neither does MythTV, and I seem to dumb to configure it.
[23:13:05] Speedy2: Madkiss: It doesn't compile on an iMac?
[23:13:23] Madkiss: Speedy2: Err, no, It's just that my Hauppauge Nexus-S won't fit in it.
[23:13:59] Speedy2: Madkiss: Ah, you want to use the iMac as a front end??
[23:14:06] Madkiss: absolutely.
[23:14:24] Speedy2: Madkiss: That would have been helpful if you said that.  :) There is a plug-in for vdr called "xineliboutput" that will let you remote watch
[23:14:37] Madkiss: Err.
[23:14:38] Madkiss: Listen.
[23:14:44] Madkiss: I spent four hours installing MythTV.
[23:14:49] Madkiss: And I didn't get anywhere.
[23:14:54] Speedy2: Ok.
[23:15:08] Madkiss: Because using DVB-cards with it is not even *mentioned* in the shiny "MythTV howto"
[23:15:16] Speedy2: So why are you avoiding VDR?
[23:15:35] Madkiss: Because I consider it Voodoo, goddamnit.
[23:15:45] Speedy2: Ok, good luck.
[23:16:16] Madkiss: Why can't MythTV just detect my DVB-card, scan for channels and let me watch TV?
[23:16:29] scopeuk: ok ive finaly decided im a lunatic im commiting myself first thing in the morning
[23:16:45] Fnc: madkiss: yes it does
[23:16:47] Fnc: DVB is a video standard primarily found in Europe (where it comes in DVB-C, DVB-T and DVB-S varieties for Cable, Terrestrial and Satellite) and is also used as the programming interface for HDTV capture cards in Linux. MythTV supports DVB; see the pages maintained by Martin Smith martin@ethics-gradient.net at http://www.ethics-gradient.net/myth/mythdvb.html for more information. To see if your DVB card is supported, see the list of
[23:16:56] scopeuk: i can think of nothign to do all day then as soon s i think maby i should sleap an idea for a project comes into my head and i desperately waant to play
[23:17:00] Madkiss: Fnc: That Howto is as good as nothing
[23:17:12] Fnc: Madkiss: for the nexus-s you have to load the firmware you do that?
[23:17:22] Madkiss: Fnc: It has no order, and it leaves out 100% of the things one apparently has to do.
[23:17:39] Madkiss: Fnc: The frontend is completely okay, it's not the problem. Scanning channels with dvbscan works like a charm.
[23:18:04] Speedy2: Madkiss: I don't understand why you're lamenting on how hard Myth is to setup. I think that is everyone's complaint. VDR is pretty easy to setup, so you have options
[23:18:09] AngryElf: xris, a lot of that is dependant on the fact that lirc is previously installed for receiving signals — i only need an irblaster on this system, is the driver the same for receiving and sending over a home-brew serial port?
[23:18:11] Fnc: when you compiled..
[23:18:15] Fnc: did you enable dvb?
[23:18:23] Madkiss: Mythtv is detecting the DVB-card nicely.
[23:18:26] Rouki: speedy2: i did msg you
[23:18:31] Speedy2: Rouki: Not that I see
[23:18:45] Rouki: hmm
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[23:19:02] xris: AngryElf: but the compile options are there.
[23:19:06] Rouki: just open a new dialog with me.
[23:19:20] Madkiss: Speedy2: Are you refusing to get it or what? The Mac OS Mythfrontend allows me to use the apple remote for controlling mythtv.
[23:19:27] Madkiss: Again, I ask: What on earth is a "video source" and what does it have to do with my DVB-card?
[23:19:32] xris: AngryElf: basically, you just need to ignore the stuff that renames it to "led-xmid"
[23:19:37] AngryElf: --enable-sandboxed --with-driver=serial
[23:19:40] AngryElf: sorry, but that?
[23:20:04] AngryElf: without --program and --prefix?
[23:20:22] Speedy2: Madkiss: Ok, well you didn't say you want to use the OSX Myth frontend.
[23:20:33] GreyFoxx: A video source is the listings source. You create one even if you are getting your data via EIT
[23:20:52] GreyFoxx: You can create the video source, and set the EIT flag
[23:21:38] Madkiss: Speedy2: You know ... the difference between a TV application in Mac OS and in Linux is that in Mac OS, you plug the device into the USB slot, EyeTV starts and Voila. On Linux, you work four hours for configuring the appropriate programme, and even then it's not working at all. That's why I use Mac OS.
[23:21:43] GreyFoxx: A video source also is used to tie the channels available on an input to a specific input on a card
[23:21:44] Fnc: Madkiss: did you add in a transport before you did the scan?
[23:21:58] Madkiss: Fnc: What is a "transport"?
[23:22:06] Speedy2: Madkiss: I'm not faulting your choice, but you could be more clear in what you're trying to do.
[23:22:16] xris: AngryElf: sounds about right.
[23:22:28] Madkiss: Speedy2: Err. I want my MythTV to show me what VDR would show me. Easy like that.
[23:22:31] Fnc: did you create a ~/.tzap/channels.conf file?
[23:22:40] Madkiss: Fnc: yes
[23:22:42] Speedy2: Madkiss: Don't yell at me, I'm not defending Myth
[23:23:13] Speedy2: Madkiss: xineliboutput for vdr uses xine-lib; if you can get xine-lib compiled, I bet the plugin could work for you. It has standalone front-end programs.
[23:23:26] Fnc: whats this do
[23:23:30] Fnc: Madkiss: grep "BBC ONE" ~/.tzap/channels.conf | cut -f2 -d:
[23:23:56] Madkiss: Fnc: You're way too late in the process. I still did not get what a "Video Source" is.
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[23:24:13] GreyFoxx: Madkiss: I just explained it
[23:24:35] Madkiss: oh, sorry.
[23:24:45] xris: someone really needs to rename that to "listings source"
[23:24:54] GreyFoxx: xris: heh yeah
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[23:25:00] Madkiss: So ... I create a video source, edit hundreds of lines of channel information data for ... nothing?
[23:25:02] GreyFoxx: It would be clearer
[23:25:23] GreyFoxx: Madkiss: How about you drop the attitude and ask a proper question
[23:26:01] Madkiss: I did, at least three times. Apart from that, MythTV Just refused to do a channel scan, yelling that "some options could not be read"
[23:26:29] GreyFoxx: The question you just asked doesn't tell me what you are trying to do
[23:26:40] Fnc: GreyFoxx: i got a proper question: how do i set up my remote for a jumppoint that doesnt exist in the database? i want a button to jump to infomation center
[23:27:01] scopeuk: jump to menu then use relative commands
[23:27:04] GreyFoxx: Fnc: vi file.cpp
[23:27:11] xris: Fnc: if mythtv doesn't recognize the jump point, there's no way to add one without editing the code.
[23:27:17] GreyFoxx: exactly
[23:27:41] Fnc: where in the code do i find out what information center is? its in file.cpp
[23:27:55] GreyFoxx: no,file.cpp was me being sarcastic
[23:28:00] GreyFoxx: I don't know the exact file offhand
[23:28:06] GreyFoxx: but grep is your friend
[23:28:11] Fnc: yeah
[23:28:33] Fnc: since i couldnt find any info on this.. i have no idea what to grep for
[23:28:38] Rouki: speedy2
[23:28:47] GreyFoxx: "jump" might be a good way to start :)
[23:28:48] Rouki: i can't message you, it says im not registered
[23:28:51] Rouki: let me register
[23:28:52] Rouki: brb
[23:29:22] Fnc: heh i wonder how many times thats in the code...
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[23:29:39] scopeuk: id gues more than once
[23:29:44] Speedy2: Rouki: Ok, register and let me know
[23:29:50] Fnc: ya think
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[23:30:39] GreyFoxx: Shouldnt be enough to stop you from finding it :)
[23:31:37] Rouki: Speedy, i registered, can you see me priv now?
[23:31:38] Fnc: help me out with my grep syntax...
[23:31:53] GreyFoxx: programs/mythfrontend/main.cpp:void InitJumpPoints(void)
[23:31:56] Fnc: to search within all files for certian text recussively
[23:32:01] GreyFoxx: start there
[23:32:04] scopeuk: echo file.name | grep search string
[23:32:10] GreyFoxx: hahah
[23:32:21] GreyFoxx: grep -ri "string" *
[23:32:31] GreyFoxx: recursive, non case sensitive wildcard search
[23:32:33] DrMitch: think it's safe to upgrade my mysql from 4.1 to 5.0 when myth was compiled with 4.1 ?
[23:32:39] Fnc: thx
[23:32:56] GreyFoxx: DrMitch: Myth doesn't link directly to myssql so it wont care
[23:33:02] GreyFoxx: but you will have top recompile QT
[23:33:05] DrMitch: oh okay
[23:33:07] DrMitch: F THAT
[23:33:15] GreyFoxx: since QT is what is compiled against the mysql client libs
[23:33:36] honda2k: hi people
[23:33:43] GreyFoxx: If you are using packages there is likely a QT compiled against Mysql 5.0
[23:33:44] honda2k: how are you everbody
[23:34:17] xris: DrMitch: don't upgrade to 5 unless you're running svn
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[23:35:21] GreyFoxx: oh right, there was a few syntax issues with mythfilldatabase and mysql 5
[23:35:25] sskk: When mythfrontend starts it reports "Joystick disabled" can that by any chance be the reason for my broken remote control?
[23:35:28] GreyFoxx: 0.19-fixes would be ok I think
[23:35:41] GreyFoxx: sskk: Are you using a joystick ?
[23:35:46] sskk: no
[23:35:50] GreyFoxx: Then, no
[23:35:52] sskk: :)
[23:35:58] Fnc: sskk what remote?
[23:36:04] sskk: pvr-150
[23:36:05] DrMitch: aight
[23:36:21] Fnc: mine has a mouse thats a "joystick"
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[23:37:35] sskk: but as I wrote a while ago, the remote seems to work fine.. mythfrontend simply ignores it?
[23:38:32] AngryElf: I'm having no luck with this serial irblaster, any common pitfalls i may hae missed?
[23:39:07] Fnc: sskk you got the lircrc in the right spot?
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[23:40:06] sskk: Fnc – I believe so.. ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[23:40:37] AngryElf: sskk, show the output of: mythfrontend --version |grep lirc
[23:41:08] honda2k: AngryElf: hello
[23:41:36] honda2k: mythtv vs vdr
[23:41:41] honda2k: which is the best
[23:41:47] mishehu: bah. I need a how to on how to get lirc working with both an irblaster and an sblive audigy livedrive midi remote. anybody know of any such document?
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[23:42:04] mishehu: honda2k: truck or van, which is best?
[23:42:17] honda2k: van
[23:42:20] mishehu: honda2k: c or c++, which is best?
[23:42:27] honda2k: c++
[23:42:42] honda2k: so?
[23:42:53] mishehu: honda2k: you're very quick to have responses without even having any further information.
[23:42:56] scopeuk: its an oppinion
[23:43:06] scopeuk: no subjective annalysis platform exists
[23:43:06] honda2k: euhuehueheuhe
[23:43:09] mishehu: each one is better at something than the other.
[23:43:20] honda2k: may be
[23:43:31] mishehu: honda2k: no, not maybe.
[23:43:35] scopeuk: you need to look at your needs and your hardware
[23:43:36] mishehu: definitely.
[23:43:42] honda2k: himmm
[23:43:52] honda2k: i have ss2
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[23:44:00] mishehu: and what your requirements are also determine what works better.
[23:44:18] honda2k: i want to work gbox plugin
[23:44:21] scopeuk: you could always try both
[23:45:12] honda2k: so my requirements is gbox
[23:45:17] Speedy2: mishehu: MIDI remote?
[23:45:19] honda2k: which is best
[23:45:47] mishehu: Speedy2: yeah, the sblive audigy platinum has an ir receiver on it, and it works as an alsa midi device
[23:45:56] scopeuk: were not experts in this area maby try google see if they can fidn you some objective annalysis
[23:45:56] mishehu: I can get one working or the other on the same machine
[23:45:59] mishehu: but not both.
[23:46:07] sskk: AngryElf: Under the "options compiled in" is says "using_lirc"
[23:47:01] honda2k: thanks people
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[23:52:36] DrMitch: any other suggestions about why my videos are automatically transcoding/commflagging ?
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[23:58:03] tank-man: because you have it set to do that?
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[23:59:14] DrMitch: i have all the recording profiles set to auto-transcode, when i go to set up a recording, it even SAYS it's going to automatically transcode/commflag, but after the recording, even an hour after, with nothing recording, it doesn't transcode or commflag
[23:59:21] DrMitch: and there's nothing in the job queue

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