| Friday, July 14th, 2006, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:12] | BLuni: | i plan on putting things together when i get back to college in august |
| [00:00:18] | sapbeast: | BLuni: there are two types rc-5 and rc-6, both of which are supported in lirc |
| [00:00:52] | xris: | BLuni: it was $40–50 last time I looked |
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| [00:01:14] | BLuni: | good |
| [00:01:46] | BLuni: | the seagate 7200.10 perpendicular's are dropping too, i like that |
| [00:01:53] | sapbeast: | its actually good that intel is coming out with bad ass stuff now finally too, because amd is gonna be dropping prices on their stuff |
| [00:02:02] | sapbeast: | like some of thier stuff will get dropped $300 |
| [00:02:30] | sapbeast: | so if you really hate intel, you still will be able to get athlon X2's cheaper as a result |
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| [00:03:12] | BLuni: | i was going to get a new computer this fall because mine is 2 years old (so old O:-)) but the state of the processor union isn't ripe for snatching deals on sexy processors now... even socket choice is up in the air, is AM2 what is is hyped? (doubt it) will conroe rock? (hells yea) |
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| [00:03:57] | sapbeast: | yeah AM2 is just a transition to newer memory |
| [00:04:17] | sapbeast: | but really you cant expect AMD to pull something totally new out of thier ass, even though conroe is pretty bad ass it doesnt mean AMD is that much slower |
| [00:04:46] | xris: | it's more about power consumption, too... current intel procs SUCK... |
| [00:04:52] | xris: | and they're not. |
| [00:04:55] | sapbeast: | cos if you remember when pentium 4 came out and for the longest time after the first athlon 64's intel was in suck city |
| [00:05:02] | scopeuk: | power consumtion and the impilied coolign issues |
| [00:05:31] | sapbeast: | core 2 is supposedly going to be far less power draw than pentium 4, but thats to be seen in final reviews |
| [00:05:37] | kormoc: | ooh! Intel is finally getting to release a proc with a intigrated memory controler! |
| [00:05:44] | BLuni: | yep :) |
| [00:05:50] | sapbeast: | kormoc: sort of |
| [00:06:00] | sapbeast: | fb-dimms puts the memory controller on the memory |
| [00:06:01] | kormoc: | sapbeast, what do you mean sort of? |
| [00:06:04] | BLuni: | and 32 cores by 2010 O:) |
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| [00:06:25] | sapbeast: | at least thats kind of a way to describe it |
| [00:06:27] | scopeuk: | $devine |
| [00:06:34] | scopeuk: | _enty help us |
| [00:07:00] | scopeuk: | im sure they 'll find a way to make each core pull 100 w |
| [00:07:10] | scopeuk: | aka the space heater |
| [00:07:17] | sapbeast: | well like i said its good that intel is doing this because processor progression had been really stagnant this year, we werent really getting any faster |
| [00:07:26] | kormoc: | sapbeast, Intel's Tukwila is gonna have a intigrated memory controler like the a64's, if rumor is correct |
| [00:07:28] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [00:07:48] | sapbeast: | as in it means AMD has to start trying again and stop riding the wave of athlon 64 kicking the utter crap out of pentium 4 |
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| [00:08:01] | scopeuk: | compotition is good |
| [00:08:21] | scopeuk: | keeps development goign and prices "resonable" as logn as your not super mega cuttign edge |
| [00:08:25] | xris: | sapbeast: it's more a matter of opteron vs xeon.... |
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| [00:08:37] | xris: | no one is buying xeons anymore. |
| [00:08:40] | sapbeast: | opteron vs. woodcrest is the big battle now |
| [00:08:48] | sapbeast: | oh definitely i agree |
| [00:08:56] | sapbeast: | xeons have been trash for the past 2 years or more |
| [00:08:56] | xris: | we went from 70:30 intel to 30:70 amd in like 6 months |
| [00:09:09] | xris: | (in sales, that is) |
| [00:09:14] | sapbeast: | no good valid reason to buy a xeon lately |
| [00:09:32] | BLuni: | cool name? |
| [00:09:48] | scopeuk: | not rearly |
| [00:09:48] | sapbeast: | woodcrest is supposed to fix that, but there is alot of controversy and fuss over intel trying to seriously compete with opteron now |
| [00:09:49] | BLuni: | but opteron sounds like optimus prime... |
| [00:09:55] | xris: | BLuni: not if everyone spells/pronounces it incorrectly as xenon |
| [00:10:07] | sapbeast: | as in because you can benchmark a server in like a thousand differnt ways, nobody really knows if woodcrest is really faster than opteron or not |
| [00:10:12] | scopeuk: | yeh sure they whoud lbe very happy with that |
| [00:10:38] | Juski: | when you edit a keybinding, do you need to restart mythfrontend? |
| [00:10:46] | DrMitch: | no |
| [00:10:52] | DrMitch: | not if you edit them with the plugin |
| [00:10:53] | scopeuk: | you can make a synthetic benchmark masivley favor one proccessor or architecture as much as the company payign for the test requires |
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| [00:11:38] | sapbeast: | scopeuk: yeah i tend to not really read benchmarks for servers and go by build quality and features |
| [00:11:43] | Juski: | heh. the plugin segfaults on this box |
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| [00:11:54] | sapbeast: | because cpu power is one thing, but thats only one small part of a big iron server |
| [00:12:12] | scopeuk: | sapbeast agree in theory dont have any practice i nthe area |
| [00:12:17] | ** sapbeast points to hardware raid performance, memory subsystem, even the network card ** | |
| [00:12:21] | scopeuk: | closesti got to a server is a dual p2 |
| [00:12:39] | BLuni: | thanks for the help guys, hopefully i won't have any major problems with my set up |
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| [00:12:53] | BLuni: | i know how irc channels can get, that's for being *nice* ;-) |
| [00:12:57] | scopeuk: | BLuni good luck |
| [00:12:59] | BLuni: | *thanks |
| [00:13:10] | scopeuk: | thanks |
| [00:13:10] | sapbeast: | scopeuk: we have a decent amount of stuff here, the oldest being this boatanchor im working on (dual ppro 200mhz from 1997!) to dual xeons... we dont have any opterons because were not allowed to buy any :( |
| [00:13:18] | BLuni: | thanks a lot, i'm excited about this, first myth box |
| [00:13:28] | scopeuk: | i was excited about mine |
| [00:13:40] | scopeuk: | then i realised myth from recyled old systems doent work to well |
| [00:13:51] | ** xris is no longer excited since his mythbox is now old enough to be not so cool anymore. ** | |
| [00:13:58] | DrMitch: | whoa, if knoppmyth only has myth and mysql and X, then why is it 700mb? |
| [00:14:16] | sapbeast: | x.org isnt small, neither is kde or gnome these days |
| [00:14:23] | xris: | DrMitch: because it's an install cd? |
| [00:14:23] | sapbeast: | not 700mb small but it all adds up |
| [00:14:36] | xris: | linux itself isn't so small, either. |
| [00:14:52] | scopeuk: | gonna say knoppmyth also caries a fair few drivers etc |
| [00:14:53] | BLuni: | Ooo! last question. I've read dissenting reports from different people. I will be doing linux software raid5 with LVM. Reiser4 has the ability to grow and shrink partitions but somewhere it was mentioned if you use reiser 4 you may die or something if you use myth. But other places half recommended it. Anyone use linux software raid want to offer some advice? |
| [00:15:07] | sapbeast: | yeah even damn small linux is "only" 50mb or so |
| [00:15:25] | xris: | BLuni: use ext3, it's your safest bet |
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| [00:15:30] | xris: | it can grow/shrink, too |
| [00:15:37] | sapbeast: | dont use reiserfs, i cannot stress that enough |
| [00:15:48] | BLuni: | xfs? |
| [00:15:49] | xris: | personally, I wouldn't run lvm on top of a raid, either |
| [00:15:56] | xris: | BLuni: not with software raid, it'll break |
| [00:15:59] | sapbeast: | software raid i will happily reccomend, but LVM is pointless |
| [00:16:08] | BLuni: | well i read that lvm on top of a raid lets you add disks later, which is what i'd like to do |
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| [00:16:21] | kormoc: | yes, but not into the raid |
| [00:16:23] | xris: | BLuni: there are tools to expand the raidset, too.. |
| [00:16:31] | sapbeast: | BLuni: you can add disks to standard software raid |
| [00:16:34] | BLuni: | does mdadm allow expanding of the raidset? |
| [00:16:34] | xris: | much better than lvm, which just stitches disks end to end |
| [00:16:42] | xris: | BLuni: no, but there are other tools |
| [00:16:49] | kormoc: | BLuni, really, the best bet would be to mirror the disk you care about, and just leave the others out of the raid, and lvm them together |
| [00:16:59] | kormoc: | imho of course |
| [00:17:16] | xris: | yeah. raid1 for the OS, striped lvm for the data you don't care too much about |
| [00:17:16] | sapbeast: | BLuni: suggestion, do not try to run the whole system off software raid, trying to get stuff to boot and figuring out swap is a nightmare |
| [00:17:17] | BLuni: | xris: can you mention the tool you are talking about so i cn read up about it? |
| [00:17:32] | xris: | BLuni: digging |
| [00:17:41] | BLuni: | sapbeast: os and swap will be sep, the main data store is raid 5 |
| [00:17:41] | xris: | (aka, asking my friend who actually uses it) |
| [00:17:42] | kormoc: | and I'd also go with ext3, and just make sure to enable the dir_index option |
| [00:17:50] | sapbeast: | as in have your myth storage in the raid, but the OS on a seperate drive (again, that is my suggestion) |
| [00:18:06] | BLuni: | sapbeast: yep |
| [00:18:15] | kormoc: | BLuni, you might jsut want to use a swap file rather then a swap partition, same performance, but less partitioning :) |
| [00:18:23] | sapbeast: | BLuni: the reason software raid is recommended over hardware is not only is it cheaper but it also means you are not tied to a specific controller |
| [00:18:29] | kormoc: | and a lot easier to increase/decrease on the fly |
| [00:18:31] | BLuni: | sapbeast: i'll look into that |
| [00:19:06] | sapbeast: | BLuni: believe it or not its also faster than hardware in most situations (modern 3ghz processors are ALOT faster at calculating xor for raid than dedicated processors still) |
| [00:19:35] | xris: | sapbeast: that's arguable.. and at last benchmark, not true for raid5 |
| [00:19:47] | BLuni: | sapbeast: that's why i'm not doing hardware, i've read a lot. Some guy in a user group did a study and found that if your proc is 1.5 ghz or faster, software gains |
| [00:20:01] | scopeuk: | gonan say fro mwhat id hear that held true for basic configs but the more advanced hardware stil lwon out |
| [00:20:07] | sapbeast: | xris: yeah, but for hardware raid to be faster you need to pop nearly a grand for a controller or more |
| [00:20:18] | BLuni: | i'm still in college :) |
| [00:20:20] | xris: | since the processor gets bogged down by disk IO and the raid card (mind you, there is only *one* raid card worth talking about: 3ware) separates that out |
| [00:20:22] | sapbeast: | also you can only get more than 4 sata ports on hardware raid cards either |
| [00:20:24] | kormoc: | and there's a large group of people who feel it's worth it :) |
| [00:20:34] | kormoc: | huh? |
| [00:20:36] | xris: | sapbeast: there is only one linux-based raid card worth using... |
| [00:20:47] | scopeuk: | by which point you mays well go scsi |
| [00:20:48] | kormoc: | sapbeast, you mean limited to four or you want a 2 dive card? |
| [00:21:04] | sapbeast: | xris: i wont argue about 3ware, im just saying how software makes the array independant of the adaptor used |
| [00:21:22] | sapbeast: | kormoc: most non-raid cards only have 4 ports or less because its not needed to have more |
| [00:21:27] | xris: | sapbeast: your concept of "hardware raid" is a bit different than mine, apparently, too.. plenty of driver-based raid cards (imho software, though not kernel) out there in 4 ports. |
| [00:21:50] | sapbeast: | xris: i guess im not explaining it fully then :( |
| [00:21:55] | BLuni: | ok ok, i didn't mean to start huge wars:) just wanted some filesystem advice... hehe |
| [00:21:59] | xris: | BLuni: http://unthought.net/raidreconf/ |
| [00:22:11] | scopeuk: | BLuni it whould have happened eventually |
| [00:22:21] | scopeuk: | chose and alegence and pick up your helmet and war hammer |
| [00:22:23] | kormoc: | sapbeast, yeah, but I'm not understanding your one line. most hardware raid (sata) cards come up to 16 ports |
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| [00:22:33] | sapbeast: | xris: well from what ive seen depending on the card software can be faster, even with a true hardware card... and when i mean hardware raid one with a co-processor that does all computing on the board itself |
| [00:22:42] | xris: | sapbeast: driver-based raid cards like promise, etc are crap and not even worthy of talking about.. and then you're correct, kernel-based software raid blows them away, even if some of them do have xor chips onboard. |
| [00:23:13] | BLuni: | xris: does raid tools have what i'd want? (i don't see a nice gentoo package for raid reconf, but i'll bookmark it, thanks) |
| [00:23:22] | xris: | sapbeast: it does depend on the kind of IO you're doing... there are a few rare cases where software raid can be faster no matter what. |
| [00:23:22] | sapbeast: | i guess i wasnt clarifying the difference between true hardware raid and cheapo raid |
| [00:23:41] | kormoc: | sapbeast, hehe, yeah, that'd be a good thing :) |
| [00:23:46] | xris: | BLuni: that tool will rebuild a raid disk set to add drives or change the raid type. |
| [00:23:53] | xris: | it's SLOW... but it does seem to work. |
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| [00:24:22] | BLuni: | xris: interesting, thanks for the advice! |
| [00:24:24] | xris: | sapbeast: now for raid1, there's *no* reason to use hardware raid of any kind. heh. |
| [00:24:26] | sapbeast: | xris: well yeah im just speaking from experience, as in this old machine im using right now the hardware raid has a dedicated processor and dram memory, but is slower than software raid even for being a 200mhz machine |
| [00:24:53] | sapbeast: | it really depends on the card |
| [00:24:57] | xris: | sapbeast: what brand card? |
| [00:25:08] | xris: | only old linux-compatible hardware cards I know of are lsi and 3ware. |
| [00:25:10] | kormoc: | BLuni, it looks like it might be in raidtools in gentoo |
| [00:25:19] | scopeuk: | only raid i have is the dual p2 boxen which is on scusi drives and ihavnet botherd even tryign to config it becouse it was workign when it lanned here |
| [00:25:26] | sapbeast: | xris: it would fall under LSI yes |
| [00:25:46] | sapbeast: | its AMI megaraid, but i have it disabled in the machine and using the onboard scsi |
| [00:25:51] | xris: | yeah, mixed feelings on lsi. they're second to 3ware, but it's a pretty distant second. |
| [00:25:58] | xris: | oh, and scsi is a whole other beast. |
| [00:26:02] | sapbeast: | mainly because its problematic too... buggy |
| [00:26:04] | kormoc: | BLuni, it is part of raidtools on gentoo |
| [00:26:21] | BLuni: | kormoc: raidreconf? |
| [00:26:32] | sapbeast: | xris: scsi is a strange world, there are hardware raid cards that no software raid can touch and others that are awful |
| [00:26:38] | BLuni: | kormoc: i'm just reading up on raidtools, haven't gotten that far yet... |
| [00:26:50] | kormoc: | BLuni, yes, the tool xris just linked you, it's part of the raidtools ebuild :) |
| [00:26:58] | xris: | sapbeast: there's a reason very few people touch scsi anymore. |
| [00:27:00] | scopeuk: | scsi is the big boys toys if you want it done properly you want mega bucks |
| [00:27:04] | kormoc: | BLuni, just letting you know that it is a part of gentoo :) |
| [00:27:18] | BLuni: | kormoc: sweet |
| [00:27:27] | xris: | esp. with most good raid cards these days supporting both sata and sascsi |
| [00:27:37] | sapbeast: | scopeuk: its actually fading away rapidly, the concept of scsi anyways... SAS is the new hotness and u320 has outlived its usefulness |
| [00:27:51] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [00:27:57] | scopeuk: | i know scsi is on its death bed |
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| [00:28:16] | sapbeast: | and im all for it, scsi is indeed the big boys toys but its also a nightmare |
| [00:28:28] | FunkyELF: | hey guys I'm trying to connect to my mythtv box from xbox media center. I'm getting mysql errors |
| [00:28:35] | sapbeast: | in the older days worrying about termination power, jumpers on every drive in the right combination? |
| [00:28:35] | Juski: | damn! no wonder my keymappings weren't working.. the bloody box has a .Xmodmap hidden away |
| [00:28:45] | sapbeast: | im all for it disappearing :p |
| [00:28:49] | FunkyELF: | how can I tell if another computer can connect to my myth box using mysql. I have anohter linux machine with mysql on it. |
| [00:28:54] | xris: | FunkyELF: actual error messages would be more helpful |
| [00:29:08] | BLuni: | how does the release schedule work for myth, its seemed kinda random in the past, is .20 imminent or just go with .19 and upgrading isn't that bad? |
| [00:29:10] | scopeuk: | sapbeast yeh i got hold of my first ever scusi system a week ago too kthe disc out put it back in put the shell back one |
| [00:29:15] | xris: | but unless you specifically granted permission to the other boxes, they can't connect |
| [00:29:17] | dtm: | FunkyELF: mysql -h remotehost --user=mythtv --password=mythtv mythconverg |
| [00:29:39] | xris: | s/remotehost/remote-machine's-ip/ |
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| [00:30:28] | kormoc: | BLuni, new versions are random, but given you're on gentoo (I assume) you're gonna be using the 0.19-fixes branch, which gets updated whenver cardoe updates it and I test it. |
| [00:30:37] | FunkyELF: | ERROR 1251: Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; |
| [00:30:37] | FunkyELF: | consider upgrading MySQL client |
| [00:30:54] | BLuni: | kormoc: yep, i'm a gentoo guy. good to know. |
| [00:31:04] | Cardoe: | kormoc: there been 2 new patches tossed in.. |
| [00:31:08] | kormoc: | yay! |
| [00:31:10] | Cardoe: | I haven't pulled them in |
| [00:31:18] | Cardoe: | But they seem fairly harmless |
| [00:31:21] | kormoc: | Cardoe, did you get that other one I linked you awhile ago? |
| [00:31:24] | Cardoe: | 1 is a Mac OS X fix... |
| [00:31:25] | BLuni: | thanks a lot guys, great helpful chat room! have a great summer, maybe i'll see you guys around in august when things get rolling ;-) |
| [00:31:29] | kormoc: | ooh, nifty |
| [00:31:35] | Cardoe: | yeah. and I realized yesterday I didn't apply it. |
| [00:31:43] | sapbeast: | BLuni: this isnt efnet :p |
| [00:31:45] | Cardoe: | so I'm gonna be making another rev shortly with that patch you linked me |
| [00:31:47] | Juski: | sod it I'll just use the .Xmodmap from the gentoo system |
| [00:31:49] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [00:31:51] | kormoc: | that'll be nice |
| [00:31:59] | xris: | FunkyELF: you're running linux on the xbox? what version of mysql/etc? |
| [00:32:02] | Cardoe: | I swore I added it in |
| [00:32:06] | BLuni: | haha .. later ;-) |
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| [00:32:10] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [00:32:16] | Cardoe: | but when I applied it to my local copy that I hack on |
| [00:32:24] | Cardoe: | and diff'd it against the Gentoo build |
| [00:32:27] | Cardoe: | the patch wasn't there |
| [00:32:28] | sapbeast: | that reminds me i havent updated my portage tree in ages |
| [00:32:38] | Cardoe: | I've got some local patches brewing |
| [00:32:52] | Cardoe: | I still think Myth is god awful slow to respond |
| [00:32:54] | sapbeast: | you talking about the ~x86 masked one right |
| [00:33:26] | sapbeast: | media-tv/mythtv-0.19_p9163-r1 thats what im using right now |
| [00:34:08] | kormoc: | sapbeast, that is 0.19-fixes revision 9163 :) |
| [00:34:09] | Mattwj2005: | what the heck is media-tv/mythtv-0.19_p9163-r1? |
| [00:34:43] | sapbeast: | kormoc: i dont know what its up to now, because when mythtv works how i want it i rarely mess with it |
| [00:34:49] | kormoc: | it's the mythtv package, in cat media, subcat tv, version 0.19 svn revision 9163 ebuild revision 1 |
| [00:34:56] | sapbeast: | likewise i dont sync my portage tree when my computer just works |
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| [00:35:34] | kormoc: | sapbeast, ahh, well, it's one newer rev, but no need to update if you don't want |
| [00:35:38] | sapbeast: | yeah i think thats in the stable tree |
| [00:35:49] | sapbeast: | the unstable is at 10281 |
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| [00:36:19] | sapbeast: | kormoc: yeah the only thing ive really hacked in mythtv if you could call it hacking is my user jobs for transcoding how i want |
| [00:36:31] | sapbeast: | otherwise its pretty standard |
| [00:37:04] | sapbeast: | i really dislike using unstable packages unless i need to for whatever reason, cos the cross-dependancies for other unstable packages grows |
| [00:37:38] | kormoc: | fair nuff |
| [00:38:05] | sapbeast: | yeah my package.keywords is like already 30 lines long |
| [00:38:17] | FunkyELF: | xris, I'm running xbox media center on my xbox. It has a plug-in to be a front end for mythtv |
| [00:38:24] | sapbeast: | its not that its bad to use ~x86 builts its that if you go to sync later and try ot update, there is alot of stuff you have to babysit |
| [00:39:33] | xris: | FunkyELF: I thought that xbmc was windows mce for xbox... anyway, sounds like you have weird issues with your setup. |
| [00:39:42] | xris: | and/or have weird firewall issues. |
| [00:39:47] | ** sapbeast returns to the real world ** | |
| [00:39:58] | Mattwj2005: | well guys my bios thinks my hd is 137 GB |
| [00:40:32] | scopeuk: | lba suport? |
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| [00:40:52] | Mattwj2005: | does Knoppmyth have that? |
| [00:41:28] | kormoc: | Mattwj2005, that's fine, given the age of the mobo, that's expected, what does *linux* see the drive as? |
| [00:41:42] | Mattwj2005: | not sure yet |
| [00:41:51] | scopeuk: | Mattwj2005 once the system is booted the kernal takes over from the bios |
| [00:42:01] | kormoc: | and then it'll be the right size |
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| [00:43:04] | Mattwj2005: | okay awesome |
| [00:44:34] | Mattwj2005: | I am guessing Windows wouldn't be so understanding ;) |
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| [00:45:05] | scopeuk: | unles you have sp2 on xp it doent like drives bigger than 139 |
| [00:45:11] | scopeuk: | iirc |
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| [00:49:50] | Mattwj2005: | man partitioning a 300 GB HD takes a while |
| [00:49:51] | Mattwj2005: | :P |
| [00:50:32] | scopeuk: | try spliting it into 300k 1meg partitions |
| [00:50:47] | Mattwj2005: | lol |
| [00:51:00] | Mattwj2005: | okay I'll get on that scopeuk ;) |
| [00:51:14] | scopeuk: | ;-) |
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| [00:51:40] | Juski: | xp doesn't like single fat32 partitions over 64GB or something stupid |
| [00:51:57] | scopeuk: | heh dont know |
| [00:52:10] | scopeuk: | it doesnet liek ex* that much |
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| [00:58:03] | Juski: | yay good ole xmodmap does the biz |
| [00:58:16] | Juski: | damn sight easier than using keymaps in myth :-/ |
| [00:58:20] | Cardoe: | Juski: fat32 partitions over 64GB would be stupid |
| [00:58:25] | Cardoe: | your block sizes would be INSANE |
| [00:59:28] | dtm: | Cardoe: how big can they get? |
| [01:00:09] | Cardoe: | Probably nearly a meg |
| [01:00:35] | dtm: | 8-o |
| [01:00:45] | dtm: | lol |
| [01:01:23] | Juski: | oops |
| [01:01:35] | Juski: | now to see if my xmodmap loads at bootup |
| [01:03:12] | Juski: | so anyway.. seems to me like remapping keys in myth isn't quite as easy as naming keys according to X's convention.. e.g. Num_2 for the numpad '2' key |
| [01:03:14] | Speedy2: | I have a 320 GB FAT32 volume, 16 KB block size. |
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| [01:05:58] | Cardoe: | Speedy2: double check it's not NTFS |
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| [01:06:43] | Cardoe: | hrm. I thought he said 64TB also |
| [01:06:50] | Cardoe: | at which point they'd probably be like a meg |
| [01:06:53] | Cardoe: | not 64GB |
| [01:07:31] | Speedy2: | Cardoe: It's not NTFS. |
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| [01:08:01] | Juski: | or was it 32GB max size you can format fat32 to under XP.. anyway not that it matters.. XP is a PoS I hope not to use for much longer |
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| [01:11:10] | FunkyELF: | anybody here use xbmc as a front end to myth? |
| [01:14:26] | Juski: | you know I do |
| [01:14:31] | Cardoe: | I try... |
| [01:14:36] | Juski: | and no, livetv is still broken in it |
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| [01:16:57] | Juski: | if your box is modded why not give xebian a spin anyway? |
| [01:17:26] | Juski: | I installed it then compiled (with distcc) a 0.19-fixes version |
| [01:17:34] | Juski: | works very well |
| [01:19:04] | FunkyELF: | hrm |
| [01:19:13] | FunkyELF: | well I like xbmc for other things |
| [01:19:32] | FunkyELF: | I don't care for the way that mythtv uses a database for browsing videos and music |
| [01:20:06] | Dagmar: | Maybe it doesn't like your choice of t-shirts. Thought about that? |
| [01:20:06] | Juski: | yeh.. and xbmc's music play totally wipes the floor with mythmusic, sad to say |
| [01:20:11] | FunkyELF: | Juski, I'm getting an error about getaddrinfo failing when I go into the settings script and try test settings |
| [01:20:43] | Juski: | FunkyELF: so have a look in the config file to see what the db settings are |
| [01:20:48] | FunkyELF: | I like how xbmc browses samba shares and I can connect to all of my computers on the network |
| [01:21:12] | Juski: | maybe one day, when myth is more integrated... |
| [01:21:35] | FunkyELF: | also I like how I can just enque music while I'm browsing it and create an on the fly playlist |
| [01:21:40] | GreyFoxx: | FunkyELF: Well, you don';t have to use the DB with mythvideo if you just want to browse, and I can access all of the shares on my network from any frontend |
| [01:21:42] | Juski: | there are prolly hundreds of times more users of xbmc than mythtv anyway |
| [01:21:45] | ** FunkyELF goes in the other room and tries changing some settings ** | |
| [01:21:50] | GreyFoxx: | But it doesn't "browse" the shares. I have them all premounted |
| [01:22:08] | Dagmar: | Having only one hardware target to worry about drastically simplifies what they have to do. |
| [01:22:16] | GreyFoxx: | overall I do like the xbmc gui though |
| [01:22:23] | GreyFoxx: | hell yeah |
| [01:22:26] | GreyFoxx: | and what they have to try and support |
| [01:22:35] | FunkyELF: | someone on the sf newsgropu told me to try the mc360 skin so I'm gonna go try that |
| [01:22:38] | Dagmar: | I'd just like to know whose retarded idea this is tho: http://xbmc.sourceforge.net/imgs/xbmc_alpha/x . . . mayhem13.jpg |
| [01:22:53] | Dagmar: | Keyboards shouldn't be in alphabetical order, even if they're virtual. |
| [01:23:05] | Juski: | that's old |
| [01:24:20] | Juski: | for all xbmc might be nice, the box is fugly |
| [01:24:28] | Juski: | and noisy |
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| [01:26:10] | Juski: | I'm gonna play with calling xmms from a myth menu soon.. see if that can offer anything until mythmusic is improved some |
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| [01:26:27] | Juski: | anyway.. another late one.. time for bed |
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| [01:28:43] | test34-: | The TV sometime hangs.. I can hit ESC and exit and go back and it works again .. I have a PVR-250.. any idea what it miht be ? |
| [01:29:10] | test34-: | might.. |
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| [01:34:11] | Goose-BA: | is there a way to see if my xine has lirc support compiled? |
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| [01:35:52] | test34-: | Goose-BA, I dont think you need to compile with lirc support but I might be wrong |
| [01:36:26] | Goose-BA: | hmm |
| [01:36:28] | Goose-BA: | well when i do xine --keymap=lirc> .lircrc |
| [01:36:34] | Goose-BA: | its not dumping anything there |
| [01:37:50] | test34-: | Goose-BA, that only for the keymap probably, you can get an lirc config file for xine on the web I would think |
| [01:38:03] | test34-: | thats what I did for mythtv |
| [01:38:17] | Goose-BA: | yea |
| [01:38:24] | Goose-BA: | but i got a config file for xine |
| [01:38:25] | Goose-BA: | and it doesn't work |
| [01:38:32] | Goose-BA: | thats why i was thinkin maybe i didn't compile support |
| [01:38:52] | Goose-BA: | actually |
| [01:38:56] | Goose-BA: | lookin at the xine config |
| [01:39:02] | Goose-BA: | it only has --disable-lirc |
| [01:39:07] | Goose-BA: | so i would assume its enabled by default |
| [01:39:18] | Goose-BA: | so where do i store the .lircrc so it will work? |
| [01:39:19] | test34-: | did you save it in your home directory as ~/.lircrc |
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| [01:39:24] | Goose-BA: | :Q |
| [01:39:46] | Goose-BA: | yea |
| [01:39:49] | Goose-BA: | and my entries look like |
| [01:39:50] | Goose-BA: | begin |
| [01:39:50] | Goose-BA: | prog = xine |
| [01:39:50] | Goose-BA: | button = Menu |
| [01:39:50] | Goose-BA: | repeat = 3 |
| [01:39:50] | Goose-BA: | config = Menu |
| [01:39:52] | Goose-BA: | end |
| [01:40:46] | test34-: | did you get it to work with any other program ? |
| [01:41:02] | Goose-BA: | what lirc? |
| [01:41:05] | Goose-BA: | it works fine in mythtv |
| [01:41:17] | test34-: | ok |
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| [01:41:54] | xris: | hmm, that didn't seem to detect my tv |
| [01:42:05] | test34-: | what remote do you have ? |
| [01:42:09] | Goose-BA: | packard bell |
| [01:42:15] | Goose-BA: | as soon as i go to watch videos |
| [01:42:19] | Goose-BA: | and launch a video |
| [01:42:20] | Goose-BA: | stops workin |
| [01:42:43] | Goose-BA: | any ideas xirs |
| [01:43:03] | test34-: | look at this one: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/lircrc-haupgrey-g3.txt -> its not for a packard bell remote but you can use it as an example |
| [01:43:43] | xris: | test34-: there are a handful of those in mythtv's contrib directory, too |
| [01:44:14] | test34-: | xris, k |
| [01:44:28] | test34-: | xris, one for packard bell ? |
| [01:44:36] | Goose-BA: | test34: yea thats how mine looks |
| [01:44:43] | xris: | test34-: no, but lots of examples |
| [01:44:48] | xris: | well, 2 or 3 |
| [01:44:50] | test34-: | config = RootMenu |
| [01:44:53] | Goose-BA: | xris: my remote works fine in mythtv, but when i launch xine it stops working |
| [01:44:57] | test34-: | yours says config = Menu |
| [01:45:18] | Goose-BA: | well like for another example i have config = Quit |
| [01:45:22] | xris: | Goose-BA: do you have a .lircrc for xine? |
| [01:45:22] | Goose-BA: | and tahts wright |
| [01:45:24] | Goose-BA: | xris: yea |
| [01:45:34] | Goose-BA: | my entries look like |
| [01:45:38] | Goose-BA: | begin |
| [01:45:38] | Goose-BA: | prog = xine |
| [01:45:38] | Goose-BA: | button = Help |
| [01:45:38] | Goose-BA: | repeat = 3 |
| [01:45:38] | Goose-BA: | config = Quit |
| [01:45:38] | Goose-BA: | end |
| [01:45:56] | Goose-BA: | and its located in ~/.lircrc |
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| [01:46:20] | test34-: | try to change the config = Menu to config = RootMenu |
| [01:46:27] | Goose-BA: | ok |
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| [01:47:07] | Goose-BA: | still no luck |
| [01:47:54] | test34-: | restart lircd |
| [01:48:18] | test34-: | and irxevent |
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| [01:49:34] | Goose-BA: | nope |
| [01:50:20] | test34-: | I cant think of anything else right now |
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| [01:50:53] | Goose-BA: | anything i should compile it with? |
| [01:51:06] | test34-: | I dont think so |
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| [01:56:13] | sapbeast: | and now back to the virtual world |
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| [02:03:47] | metalac: | hey guys |
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| [02:04:04] | metalac: | so what's the video player that mythtv uses to play videos? is it something internal? or something ext.? |
| [02:06:03] | GreyFoxx: | when you say videos, do you mean recordings and live tv, or the stuff you watch in mythvideo (downloaded avi's and such) ? |
| [02:06:18] | GreyFoxx: | Myth has it's own internal player which are used for all recording and livetvplayback |
| [02:06:43] | metalac: | that's what i mean |
| [02:06:44] | metalac: | t |
| [02:06:50] | GreyFoxx: | and you can configure mythvideo to use the internal player or call and external app for avi;s and such |
| [02:07:00] | metalac: | i got issue with xvmc so i'm trying to figure out what's up |
| [02:07:01] | GreyFoxx: | I usethe internal player for everything |
| [02:07:52] | metalac: | well I will as soon as it gets support for DVD menus |
| [02:08:06] | GreyFoxx: | it does in SVN |
| [02:08:15] | GreyFoxx: | but no idea when a next release will be :) |
| [02:08:22] | metalac: | nobody does :) |
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| [02:09:34] | GreyFoxx: | I imagine it's a few months away |
| [02:09:40] | GreyFoxx: | but you never know |
| [02:10:17] | metalac: | damn |
| [02:10:22] | metalac: | xvmc just makes it freeze |
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| [02:15:13] | sapbeast: | so wheres pokey |
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| [02:20:45] | metalac: | anyway to check if xvmc is enabled properly? |
| [02:25:09] | Goose-BA: | GreyFoxx: you have any ideas? |
| [02:25:31] | Goose-BA: | xris: i can help you with xorg |
| [02:26:06] | xris: | Goose-BA: nah, kormoc already knows what I need. looks like he's home now, too |
| [02:26:17] | GreyFoxx: | Goose-BA: Huh ? |
| [02:26:35] | Goose-BA: | GreyFoxx: lirc works in mythtv, but not when i launch a video from mythvideo |
| [02:26:36] | Goose-BA: | im using xine |
| [02:26:46] | Goose-BA: | and i have xine parameters in ~/.lircrc |
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| [02:28:06] | Goose-BA: | any clue? |
| [02:28:28] | metalac: | so i get bunch of "prebuffering pause" errors when i try to do HD, it starts up but both video and audio stuter then it freezes |
| [02:32:07] | GreyFoxx: | Goose-BA: Not really. I don't use either Lirc or xine |
| [02:32:23] | GreyFoxx: | my only suggestion would be to close mythfrontend, and try and launch xine manually |
| [02:32:36] | GreyFoxx: | see if lirc/the remote is working outside of myth |
| [02:32:43] | GreyFoxx: | ifit's not, then check the xine documentation |
| [02:33:14] | ** GreyFoxx goes to watch a movie ** | |
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| [02:33:58] | Mattwj2005: | yeah I am going to wait on the 300 GB drive....I'll wait until I get a new motherboard |
| [02:35:04] | Goose-BA: | how much for the drive |
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| [02:38:28] | Mattwj2005: | $103 with tax and 2 day over night express |
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| [02:38:31] | xris: | wow. massive reboot or something |
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| [02:39:12] | metalac: | i want to make sure everything is compiled properly and what not |
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| [02:41:44] | Mattwj2005: | what is going on? |
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| [02:45:44] | metalac: | freenode is acting up |
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| [02:59:50] | thechris: | any gentoo users here using gcc4.1 and >=kernel2.6.16 ? |
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| [03:40:01] | xris: | ok, kormoc disappeared... who wants to tell me why I can't get the tv port to activate on my video card? |
| [03:40:42] | thechris: | figure i might as well ask again. good luck /w ivtv, gcc4.1, kernel2.6.16+ ? |
| [03:41:48] | metalac: | xris: did you turn off/on your computer with the cable pluged into tv? |
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| [03:42:56] | xris: | metalac: yeah, it works. I'm just missing the xorg config stuff to activate the port in x (works in console) |
| [03:43:12] | metalac: | ohhhh |
| [03:43:14] | metalac: | is it nvidia? |
| [03:43:35] | xris: | yeah |
| [03:44:26] | metalac: | http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . endix-h.html |
| [03:44:29] | metalac: | did you look at that? |
| [03:44:53] | metalac: | and this: |
| [03:44:53] | metalac: | http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . endix-g.html |
| [03:45:00] | metalac: | if you have it hooked to both TV and monitor |
| [03:47:37] | xris: | don't want twinview |
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| [03:48:55] | xris: | that's part of the problem I'm stuck on. |
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| [03:50:33] | metalac: | tell me what you want to do? |
| [03:50:40] | metalac: | how many monitors you have hooked up? |
| [03:51:00] | xris: | just one monitor. and occasionally a tv |
| [03:51:17] | xris: | thus, two x instances (no twinview or xinerama) |
| [03:51:25] | metalac: | so what do you want displayed on TV? |
| [03:51:35] | xris: | second x |
| [03:51:41] | xris: | mythtv, xine, etc. |
| [03:51:50] | xris: | for when I want mythtv and still have to work |
| [03:51:57] | metalac: | ohhhhhhh |
| [03:52:16] | xris: | this is for my workstation in my home office. |
| [03:52:17] | metalac: | so you want 2 totally different X servers |
| [03:52:20] | xris: | yeah |
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| [03:52:26] | metalac: | not sure how possible that would be |
| [03:52:39] | metalac: | i'm pretty sure it's much easier if you have 2 video cards |
| [03:52:43] | xris: | I've done it numerous times by accident in the past (other cards, other computers) |
| [03:52:47] | metalac: | but not sure what's up with one card |
| [03:52:47] | Captain_Murdoch: | pretty sure it works fine. you just add the card twice in your config file I think. |
| [03:53:02] | xris: | Captain_Murdoch: yeah, I've done that. just doesn't seem to be working.. |
| [03:53:04] | Captain_Murdoch: | I've done it before |
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| [03:54:29] | xris: | ok, maybe I missed tvoutformat. |
| [03:55:05] | xris: | brb |
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| [04:00:31] | xris: | that didn't work |
| [04:00:36] | xris: | and MAN, freenode's connect is slow |
| [04:01:03] | alsoconfused: | xris: i'm running dual nvidia, can i help? |
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| [04:01:16] | xris: | alsoconfused: dual x or twinview? |
| [04:01:31] | alsoconfused: | no twinview :0.0 and :0.1 |
| [04:01:57] | xris: | that's pretty much what I'm looking for. can you post our xorg.conf somewhere? |
| [04:02:09] | alsoconfused: | in X terms it's one display with 2 screens |
| [04:02:36] | xris: | that works. as long as it lets me keep my virtual desktops on one monitor and fix the other one on mythtv. |
| [04:03:33] | alsoconfused: | xris: that's what i do. xorg.conf is a sec |
| [04:03:56] | xris: | I just realized that now that I don't have dishnetwork, the composite plug on the tv next to me is free. heh. |
| [04:04:14] | xris: | figured I should take advantage of that |
| [04:04:37] | alsoconfused: | http://pastebin.ca/87691 |
| [04:05:14] | alsoconfused: | xris: that's using two separate cards, but i know how to do it with one card as well |
| [04:05:42] | xris: | one card for me |
| [04:06:08] | xris: | I can do it with two cards easily enough. trick is getting X to turn on the tv port on my card |
| [04:06:58] | Mattwj2005: | nothing like building a kernel |
| [04:07:00] | Mattwj2005: | :P |
| [04:07:23] | metalac: | Mattwj2005: unless you're building mythtv of course ;) |
| [04:07:35] | Dagmar: | xris: It works, but X is still kind of in "growing pains" stage with respect to two displays of differing resolution. |
| [04:07:41] | Dagmar: | A lot of apps are in a worse state. |
| [04:07:41] | Mattwj2005: | I am using it for my Knoppmyth box ;) |
| [04:07:45] | alsoconfused: | i'm looking for the keywords for doing it with one card. the way i found it was by using the nvidia xconfig thingie |
| [04:08:21] | Dagmar: | Using the VGA and the s-video output of an nVidia card as two separate displays isn't actually very hard. |
| [04:08:52] | xris: | alsoconfused: I ran that and it just messed up my xorg.conf file. |
| [04:09:07] | Dagmar: | You may well want to look into Devilspie if you use Metacity as a window manager |
| [04:09:13] | alsoconfused: | xris: well you can tell it not to do that |
| [04:09:21] | xris: | heh |
| [04:09:25] | Dagmar: | It'll let you duct-tape over the parts that say, want to spawn something half on one display and half on the other. |
| [04:09:27] | xris: | brb, testing. |
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| [04:10:07] | Dagmar: | The sad thing is that even on a bad day X seems to handle dual-displays better than Windows does (without enabling the nVidia Display Manager) |
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| [04:10:59] | xris: | nope. it's still not even acting like I've defined a second screen. |
| [04:11:42] | alsoconfused: | xris: do you have the Screen tag in each device section? |
| [04:12:06] | xris: | yeah |
| [04:12:38] | xris: | http://forevermore.net/files/xorg.conf |
| [04:14:45] | Dagmar: | afaik you have to have two definitions for both parts. Two monitor definitions, and two video card definitions |
| [04:14:56] | kormoc: | he has that |
| [04:15:05] | Dagmar: | Damn if that doesn't look correct to me |
| [04:15:19] | xris: | yeah. even the x log looks good |
| [04:15:28] | kormoc: | have it anywhere? |
| [04:16:04] | xris: | same url, xorg.log |
| [04:16:08] | alsoconfused: | xris: search your xorg.conf for DFP |
| [04:16:15] | alsoconfused: | i think you are using the wrong name |
| [04:16:33] | alsoconfused: | nvnm |
| [04:16:37] | alsoconfused: | neverming |
| [04:17:18] | kormoc: | (WW) NVIDIA: More than one matching Device section found: Videocard1 |
| [04:17:38] | kormoc: | that conf didn't make that log |
| [04:17:40] | Dagmar: | That's very odd |
| [04:17:45] | xris: | weird |
| [04:17:52] | alsoconfused: | xris: why no tvstandard defined? |
| [04:18:03] | Dagmar: | Are you starting X as root? It'll actually read /root/xorg.conf which might be screwing you over |
| [04:18:04] | xris: | alsoconfused: default shoudl be fine.. works on my other machine |
| [04:18:18] | xris: | Dagmar: nope. running via gdm |
| [04:18:22] | kormoc: | alsoconfused, default is NTSC-M which is fine |
| [04:18:25] | Dagmar: | Hmmm... |
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| [04:18:53] | Dagmar: | Hey is that DisplaySize option making it calculate DPI for the display properly? |
| [04:19:06] | xris: | Dagmar: won't matter. it's acting like the screen isn't even defined |
| [04:19:09] | Dagmar: | Mine always seems to get the entirely wrong answer, even when it's using EDID |
| [04:19:14] | xris: | hang on, I'll reboot completely |
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| [04:19:28] | kormoc: | Dagmar, yes, that's what that parm is for |
| [04:19:51] | Dagmar: | kormoc: COol. I'll have to try that when I get home. Mine seems to get the wrong answer, even when it's getting the correct information from EDID. |
| [04:20:17] | kormoc: | Dagmar, aye, that's cause a lot of display makers don't program them away from the default values. it's sad |
| [04:20:26] | kormoc: | Dagmar, the value is Millimeters |
| [04:20:45] | Dagmar: | I'm talking about when it gets the _correct_ information from EDID. |
| [04:20:47] | kormoc: | Dagmar, I find it's best when I measure it myself, as I've found upto +/- 5 mm before |
| [04:20:48] | Dagmar: | I know it's in mm. |
| [04:21:08] | Dagmar: | It'll pick 75dpi when it should be quite a bit closer to 100 |
| [04:21:09] | kormoc: | Really? that's strange. I've always found the EDID was just wrong |
| [04:21:34] | Dagmar: | I had to look at the EDID on mine rather closely because it stopped working (or rather I noticed it stopped working) on the 6600 |
| [04:21:49] | Dagmar: | TUrns out EDID doesn't' actually work across the VGA port on a lot of the newer nVidia cards that have a DVI port as well |
| [04:22:07] | Dagmar: | ...so I've got my primary display always connected to the DVI port with the DVI-VGA adapter |
| [04:22:10] | kormoc: | Really? that's interesting |
| [04:22:34] | Dagmar: | I thought X might have been borked for it, so I used ddcinfo/ddcxinfo and got the same results. |
| [04:22:44] | Dagmar: | No EDID response from the VGA port |
| [04:23:12] | kormoc: | Well, yeah, I can imagine no responce, but that's different then giving back bad values :) |
| [04:23:56] | Dagmar: | Yeah, my two monitors, one is made by Dell (via Sony/Trinitron) and the other is made by Princeton Graphics |
| [04:24:01] | Dagmar: | They both give the right sizes back |
| [04:24:36] | Dagmar: | I get the feeling this might explain why Gnome/fontconfig just ignores the DPI setting and goes straight for 96dpi |
| [04:24:56] | kormoc: | could be |
| [04:27:37] | Mattwj2005: | man kernel compiling takes forever :-P |
| [04:27:42] | Dagmar: | About the only thing I see in xris' conf that could even be considered materially different from mine is that he's not specifying the BusIDs |
| [04:28:05] | kormoc: | yeah, but that's optional and not needed |
| [04:28:15] | kormoc: | I still say it's due to that videocard1 is defined twice |
| [04:28:41] | Dagmar: | It definitely shouldn't be saying that based on *that* conf. You're definitely right on that one. |
| [04:28:58] | alsoconfused: | Dagmar: another thing i noticed is that the file generated for the newer version of nvidia puts ConnectedMonitor in the Screen section instead of the device section |
| [04:29:25] | kormoc: | alsoconfused, the nvidia driver reads from all three areas (videocard, monitor, and screen) for options |
| [04:29:44] | kormoc: | alsoconfused, I like keeping it all in the videocard section, but that's purely my style |
| [04:29:50] | Dagmar: | OH! |
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| [04:29:57] | Dagmar: | alsoconfused: Damn if that doesn't explain it |
| [04:30:05] | xris: | kormoc: that xorg log is definitely correct |
| [04:30:07] | Dagmar: | Option "ConnectedMonitor" "DFP" |
| [04:30:11] | alsoconfused: | i've seen some weird things in the way that file getrs parsed |
| [04:30:14] | xris: | I think nvidia is complaining because vc1 is the same as vc0 |
| [04:30:17] | Dagmar: | Yet no DFP monitor is defined in that file |
| [04:30:25] | kormoc: | xris, ooh? |
| [04:30:32] | Dagmar: | If http://forevermore.net/files/xorg.conf is what you're using, I bet that's what's breaking it |
| [04:30:34] | Mattwj2005: | I know this is off topic but anyone looking forward to the Stargate season premier tomorrow night? |
| [04:30:36] | xris: | Dagmar: connectedmonitor is the type of monitor, not the id |
| [04:30:42] | Dagmar: | Oh okay |
| [04:30:55] | xris: | Mattwj2005: not since season 7 ended |
| [04:31:10] | Mattwj2005: | seriously? |
| [04:31:31] | xris: | Mattwj2005: no more Jack, stargate not so good |
| [04:31:31] | kormoc: | xris, really, it shouldn't matter |
| [04:31:36] | xris: | kormoc: I agree |
| [04:31:49] | thechris: | yeah, all stargate has now is a new story |
| [04:31:51] | Dagmar: | I'm more interested in Eureka |
| [04:31:58] | xris: | Dagmar: I was born there. :) |
| [04:32:04] | thechris: | i like dr who |
| [04:32:04] | xris: | I must watch. |
| [04:32:08] | kormoc: | xris, toss in the busID |
| [04:32:17] | xris: | the PCI bit even though it's not pci? |
| [04:32:35] | kormoc: | xris, aye, whatever lspci spits out |
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| [04:33:55] | alsoconfused: | don't forget to convert to decimal, or use X -scanpci instead |
| [04:34:07] | Dagmar: | Yeah, AGP ports hang off the PCI bus as far as addressing them cares |
| [04:34:08] | kormoc: | alsoconfused, it's gonna be 1:0.0 |
| [04:34:20] | kormoc: | his is a pci-e, but same idea |
| [04:34:24] | alsoconfused: | just dotting i's |
| [04:34:53] | alsoconfused: | i'd like to see what nvidia-xconfig -a writes |
| [04:35:06] | Dagmar: | I'm seeing now that pretty much every "working" xorg.conf online seems to have the BusID specified as well |
| [04:35:14] | kormoc: | yeah |
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| [04:35:35] | xris: | no good |
| [04:35:38] | kormoc: | before the dual videocard1 thing, it reassings the bus ids, I'm wondering if it's screwing that up |
| [04:35:39] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [04:35:42] | kormoc: | same log? |
| [04:35:56] | xris: | reload files |
| [04:36:15] | kormoc: | http://kormoc.homelinux.org/xorg.conf/xorg.conf.pci-e |
| [04:36:23] | kormoc: | there's my pci-e dual head conf |
| [04:37:11] | Dagmar: | This guy actually has some interesting ideas going on in his. Multiple layouts so he can switch later without a big hassle: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Multiple_ . . . _with_Nvidia |
| [04:37:37] | alsoconfused: | xris: can you show us nvidia-xconfig -a -o /tmp/sample.conf ? |
| [04:38:15] | kormoc: | xris, put a Option "UseDisplayDevice" "DFP" or "TV" in each videocard section |
| [04:38:36] | xris: | something keeps adding "### Comment all HorizSync and VertSync values to use DDC:" to the file. all over the place, every time I boot |
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| [04:39:26] | xris: | odd. it also completely destroys my spacing alignment |
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| [04:40:13] | xris: | alsoconfused: nothing significant in that file |
| [04:40:18] | Dagmar: | It shoudln't be changing your conf file when you start X. |
| [04:40:24] | gutano: | I recently switched my long term storage partition to xfs (on behalf of Myth of course).. but little while after recordings i still have some file sizes of 0... anyone know how to force a flush to disk? |
| [04:40:27] | xris: | slight changes in refresh on my lcd. doesn't detect the tv |
| [04:40:58] | alsoconfused: | xris: did you try to run it? |
| [04:41:12] | xris: | alsoconfused: no.. it only configured one monitor |
| [04:41:21] | alsoconfused: | hmmm |
| [04:43:03] | xris: | brb |
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| [04:43:45] | Dagmar: | gutano: Unmounting is pretty much guaranteed to flush the buffers. So is the `sync` command |
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| [04:44:09] | xris: | (WW) NVIDIA(1): Option "UseDisplayDevice" requested "TV", but no unused TVs are available. |
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| [04:44:35] | xris: | it's like the tv out just doesn't exist |
| [04:45:02] | Dagmar: | Um... forceconnectedmonitor or something. Lemme look up the name of it |
| [04:45:12] | alsoconfused: | xris: have you tried "IgnoreDisplayDevices" ? |
| [04:45:27] | Dagmar: | nevemind, connectedmonitor is supposed to force that |
| [04:45:28] | xris: | I don't want to ignore. I want to enable |
| [04:45:36] | alsoconfused: | xris: ignore the other one |
| [04:45:47] | alsoconfused: | that's how it set it up for me |
| [04:46:20] | gutano: | Dagmar: thanks =D |
| [04:46:24] | alsoconfused: | e.g. "ConnectedMonitor" "TV" |
| [04:46:31] | alsoconfused: | "IgnoreDisplayDevices" "CRT" |
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| [04:46:58] | xris: | hang on |
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| [04:47:19] | gutano: | Dagmar: I think I found my problems in my console logs =/ doesn't appear to be a flush issue but a problem getting ready for the record... *checks a few stability settings on his firewire port* |
| [04:47:41] | gutano: | hrrm.. =/ |
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| [04:48:20] | xris: | same problems |
| [04:48:25] | xris: | I wonder if this card just doesn't do both at once |
| [04:48:31] | xris: | separately |
| [04:48:38] | xris: | heck, I'd settle for simultaneously at the moment |
| [04:49:09] | xris: | nvidia-settings doesn't see the tv, either. |
| [04:49:10] | xris: | so weird |
| [04:50:34] | Dagmar: | THat would fairly well suck. What model is it? |
| [04:50:45] | Dagmar: | TV's cant readily be detected tho, afaik |
| [04:50:46] | xris: | msi gf6800 |
| [04:50:54] | xris: | tv, no, tv-out, yes |
| [04:51:04] | Dagmar: | Oh it should damn well support using both the s-video and one of the other outputs at the same time then |
| [04:51:24] | xris: | composite. but yes, it should |
| [04:51:33] | xris: | man, this was supposed to be easy. |
| [04:52:25] | Dagmar: | Wait... composite? |
| [04:52:27] | xris: | yeah |
| [04:52:44] | xris: | one breakout block. svideo + composite + component from the same DIN plug on the card |
| [04:53:08] | Dagmar: | You have the strange external box that the 6x00's came with that has an S-video and one composite (or does yours have three RCA connectors)? |
| [04:53:18] | xris: | four... |
| [04:53:23] | xris: | composite and component and svideo |
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| [04:54:12] | xris: | MSI NX6800-TD128E Geforce 6800 128MB DDR PCI Express x16 Video Card – Retail |
| [04:54:17] | Dagmar: | Oh wait, I forgot some of the 6800's have the composite sticking out the back of that box, away from s-video and RGB |
| [04:54:19] | xris: | newegg doesn't seem to have it anymore, though |
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| [04:54:31] | xris: | no. one plug on the card goes to a breakout box |
| [04:54:43] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [04:55:04] | Dagmar: | You can see one about halfway down http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=50903 that is a hideous yellow |
| [04:55:35] | xris: | yeah, that looks like it |
| [04:55:47] | xris: | it's actually a flourescent green, not yellow.. (bad photo) |
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| [04:56:54] | Dagmar: | You have http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp . . . mp;class=vga I think |
| [04:57:06] | xris: | I have the exact same thing as in the first link |
| [04:57:23] | xris: | and in that link |
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| [04:57:50] | Dagmar: | It should definitely be able to operate the DVI port and the television outs as independent displays |
| [04:57:56] | xris: | you would think |
| [04:58:06] | Dagmar: | it's essentially the same stuff as in my 6600 |
| [04:58:18] | Dagmar: | It won't do all *three* at once, but two it will do in any combination |
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| [04:58:40] | Dagmar: | You can't have like, DVI, VGA, and s-video outputs all as separate displays |
| [04:58:54] | xris: | maybe I have to add CRT to IgnoreDisplayDevices, too |
| [04:58:55] | Dagmar: | You don't have monitors connected to both the VGA and the DVI ports do you? |
| [04:59:02] | xris: | nope, just dvi |
| [04:59:07] | Dagmar: | Hmm.... |
| [04:59:25] | DrMitch: | wait, you can't do vga, s-video AND dvi? |
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| [04:59:51] | Dagmar: | Not all at the same time |
| [04:59:56] | Dagmar: | You only get two |
| [05:00:01] | DrMitch: | i'll be darned, that's stupid |
| [05:00:09] | DrMitch: | you can in windows |
| [05:00:16] | Dagmar: | You can't even in Windows. |
| [05:00:20] | DrMitch: | yea you can |
| [05:00:28] | DrMitch: | well...i was cloning |
| [05:00:35] | xris: | DrMitch: that's different |
| [05:00:53] | xris: | rebooting again. |
| [05:00:55] | DrMitch: | can you clone through the svideo and twinview with the other two? |
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| [05:01:15] | Dagmar: | I never noticed any way to specify which one it should clone from, so I don't think so |
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| [05:04:42] | xris: | I google that "no unused TVs" message and get one hit from someone with the same problem |
| [05:05:30] | xris: | anyway, I give up for now. wife's home, going to go hang out with her. |
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| [05:08:59] | CCFL_Man: | well hello |
| [05:09:10] | gutano: | well hello there stranger |
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| [05:10:23] | CCFL_Man: | gutano: you know of anyone who gets a legal c-band subscription that's used with a dvb-s card and mythtv? |
| [05:11:18] | gutano: | CCFL_Man: =/ nope |
| [05:11:36] | gutano: | CCFL_Man: no idea what c-band subscription is, so probably wrong guy to ask |
| [05:11:37] | CCFL_Man: | hmm.. |
| [05:11:50] | gutano: | <-- firewire user |
| [05:11:58] | CCFL_Man: | you know those large dishes in people's yards? |
| [05:12:10] | gutano: | I know what dvb-s is |
| [05:12:19] | CCFL_Man: | ahh, yeah |
| [05:12:42] | CCFL_Man: | most, if not all, c-band digital broadcasts is dvb |
| [05:13:28] | gutano: | so most c-band digital broadcasts are digital video broadcasts? |
| [05:13:40] | CCFL_Man: | well, some are |
| [05:13:48] | gutano: | O.o |
| [05:14:06] | gutano: | anyhow, c-band is a type of dvb-s, I think I get where your going |
| [05:14:30] | CCFL_Man: | discovery channel broadcasts in digital anyway |
| [05:14:32] | CCFL_Man: | yeah |
| [05:15:22] | CCFL_Man: | i can use a dvb-s card, but i need a cam that i pay for to decrypt the channels i pay for |
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| [05:15:54] | xris: | CCFL_Man: you should theoretically be able to buy a dvb card with a slot |
| [05:16:48] | netrix: | i have mtd working and ripped a dvd. when i go to media library, watch videos it doesn't show up. any idea what i am missing? |
| [05:18:06] | CCFL_Man: | xris: i just need to find a provider than can give me a cam |
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| [05:18:29] | xris: | CCFL_Man: thought with c-band you went straight to the broadcaster |
| [05:19:35] | CCFL_Man: | xris: you do, but you still need a cam to decode it |
| [05:20:33] | xris: | CCFL_Man: do you have a dvb card that has a CAM slot? |
| [05:20:52] | xris: | or use softcam... though you won't get much help for that since it borders too much in the illegal areas. |
| [05:21:26] | CCFL_Man: | xris: i want to subscribe to nps |
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| [05:22:05] | xris: | CCFL_Man: I don't know what that is |
| [05:22:11] | CCFL_Man: | http://www.callnps.com/default.htm |
| [05:22:38] | xris: | anyway, you'll need a dvb card with a CAM slot, and you'll need a CAM |
| [05:22:53] | xris: | and you'll need a dvb card that actually works in linux... |
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| [05:32:02] | booper: | hi all..anyone awake? |
| [05:32:30] | booper: | i'm having quite a bit of trouble getting my sa4200hd to work properly over firewire |
| [05:32:45] | CCFL_Man: | xris: the twinhan cards do |
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| [05:35:49] | booper: | i'm also continually getting the error "ringbuf(/home/myth/blahblah.mpg): invalid file (fd -1) when opening" |
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| [05:36:14] | booper: | there is plenty of space on the filesystem, the directory is 777 and i'm running backend and frontend as root... |
| [05:36:19] | booper: | don't know why it can't create a file |
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| [05:39:11] | gutano: | can I queue a recording for commflagging after it has been recorded, from within the frontend? |
| [05:39:35] | gutano: | recorded without the autocommflag flag.. |
| [05:39:49] | CCFL_Man: | xris: i need a digicipher 2 cam |
| [05:41:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | gutano: yes, from the Watch Recordings screen using the INFO popup menu. |
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| [05:42:46] | gutano: | Captain_Murdoch: thanks =D *experiments with keyboard interface* |
| [05:42:59] | gutano: | i ! |
| [05:43:01] | gutano: | go team |
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| [05:59:50] | CCFL_Man: | shit |
| [06:00:09] | CCFL_Man: | nps might be cband, but they use DCII instead of DVB |
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| [06:32:51] | stinkytoe: | i've followed the gentoo wiki guide to setting up mythtv, but my server won't allow any connections from anywhere but localhost. i've already run the "grant all on ..." lines mentioned in the wiki, but my frontend machine still can't connect. i can't even "telnet mrgone 3306". any ideas? |
| [06:33:08] | stinkytoe: | the mysql server specifically |
| [06:33:48] | dtm: | stinkytoe: are you sure you don't have a firewall up |
| [06:33:54] | dtm: | stinkytoe: sudo /sbin/iptables -L -n |
| [06:34:15] | stinkytoe: | i tried turning it off just in case, to no evail |
| [06:34:42] | dtm: | well if telnet doesn't yield a connection then ..... it doesn't even connect and then close? |
| [06:35:02] | dtm: | does it say it's connected and then closed or does it say connection refused |
| [06:35:25] | stinkytoe: | no, gives a "connection refused" error |
| [06:36:08] | dtm: | well that'd indicate that it's listening on a different port (can you do 'telnet localhost 3306'?) or it's firewalled. |
| [06:36:48] | stinkytoe: | from the server itself everything works ok. |
| [06:36:55] | gutano: | by default gentoo sets up mysql to only bind to loopback |
| [06:37:08] | gutano: | your sql server is most likely not listening to your ethernet port |
| [06:37:31] | stinkytoe: | gutano: makes sense. how do i fix? |
| [06:37:37] | gutano: | your problem would get alot more feedback in #gentoo |
| [06:37:53] | gutano: | I assume in the /etc/<whatever sql's config file is again> |
| [06:38:03] | stinkytoe: | np i'll try there. thanks. |
| [06:38:12] | gutano: | np |
| [06:38:35] | dtm: | yeah like /etc/my.cnf. it's doubtlessly in some custom location on gentoo |
| [06:38:44] | gutano: | ^^ +1 |
| [06:39:04] | dtm: | it's good to only bind to localhost or a socket |
| [06:39:06] | dtm: | by default |
| [06:39:28] | gutano: | localhost makes it bind to socket, 127.0.0.1 makes it bind to internal loopback |
| [06:39:41] | gutano: | as per my.cnf |
| [06:39:56] | stinkytoe: | it's in /etc/mysql/my.cnf, i just don't know how to change it. |
| [06:40:00] | stinkytoe: | i'll try |
| [06:40:29] | gutano: | ask in #gentoo, or #mysql... I bet you will get a very solid answer pretty quick |
| [06:40:42] | dtm: | also google |
| [06:41:15] | stinkytoe: | dtm: google hasn't helped, that's why i'm here :) |
| [06:41:35] | stinkytoe: | and it's already set to 127.0.0.1 |
| [06:41:52] | stinkytoe: | i'll check the other channels. thanks anyways |
| [06:42:16] | gutano: | that does you no good.... localhost/127.0.0.1 will both fail from another box |
| [06:42:39] | stinkytoe: | should i try my lan ip then? |
| [06:42:39] | gutano: | might be able to comment out the line, and default may listen on all ports |
| [06:43:46] | gutano: | hrrrm... if you don't have static address.... use your network number... 192.168.1.0 (might need /24 at end?) |
| [06:44:11] | Dagmar: | *sigh* localhost and 127.0.0.1 are the same thing, always. |
| [06:44:12] | gutano: | again, just ask in a channel where sql is a common topic about accessing it from a different box |
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| [06:44:17] | stinkytoe: | commenting it out worked! thanks gutano. i'll see about adding this to the gentoo wiki. |
| [06:44:36] | Dagmar: | Without being told otherwise, MySQL will bind to 0.0.0.0 |
| [06:44:56] | Dagmar: | HOWEVER, most distributions start it with --skip-networking, which means it's not going to bind to any port. |
| [06:44:59] | gutano: | Dagmar: no... they are both accessable from the same box.. but via different communications methods (for mysql) |
| [06:45:28] | gutano: | sockets are faster |
| [06:45:33] | Dagmar: | Use `netstat -tunap` to see whether or not and what address/port it's listening to |
| [06:45:59] | Dagmar: | Localhost is 127.0.0.1 |
| [06:46:02] | Dagmar: | Period. |
| [06:46:06] | Dagmar: | There is no difference between them. |
| [06:46:13] | gutano: | =/ I'm talking about in sql configuration |
| [06:46:14] | stinkytoe: | Dagmar: but if it behaves differently with that given parameter, how was i supposed to know? (based on the wiki at least). anyways working just fine now. |
| [06:46:24] | Dagmar: | Connection method is specified *not* by the hostname, unless there's something very illogical being done in their code. |
| [06:46:37] | Cardoe: | stinkytoe: what's wrong? |
| [06:46:40] | stinkytoe: | Dagmar: localhost/127.0.0.1 vs. some other address |
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| [06:46:52] | xris: | suddenly the tv works |
| [06:46:54] | ** gutano shrugs ** | |
| [06:46:55] | Dagmar: | stinkytoe: Does your my.cnf specify an interface or address? |
| [06:46:57] | ** xris pokes kormoc ** | |
| [06:47:03] | gutano: | I'm not dying to convince you of the way I see it |
| [06:47:11] | xris: | I removed all of the tv-out override settings, etc and suddenly things work |
| [06:47:36] | Dagmar: | stinkytoe: ...as in does it specify *either* |
| [06:48:00] | stinkytoe: | Dagmar: it originally specified 127.0.0.1, but simply commenting that line out and restarting the daemon allowed my other machine to log in |
| [06:48:14] | Dagmar: | If it's like most defaults, it's only going to say a port number of 3306, and socket of /var/run/mysql/mysql.sock |
| [06:48:42] | Dagmar: | stinkytoe: Yes. That's because the localhost/loopback network address isn't accessible across a network |
| [06:48:55] | stinkytoe: | i should probable restrict it to my subnet now, but i'm just glad it's workong |
| [06:49:08] | Dagmar: | stinkytoe: When you uncommented it, and it actually bound a network socket, then it bound to 0.0.0.0, which is basically "any address" |
| [06:49:13] | kormoc: | xris, that's very strange, but nice that it's working |
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| [06:49:46] | xris: | yeah. a little odd with the tv to the right and the speakers straight ahead. |
| [06:50:00] | stinkytoe: | Dagmar: i realize this now, the problem just didn't come to me on my own. |
| [06:50:04] | xris: | but definitely nice to be able to watch myth on the tv... better than analog cable. :) |
| [06:50:20] | kormoc: | aye :) |
| [06:50:36] | stinkytoe: | Dagmar: live and learn, and edit the wiki so everyone else knows too! :) |
| [06:50:43] | gutano: | stinkytoe: the default used to be to allow network traffic to the sql server... I recall when it changed |
| [06:50:58] | stinkytoe: | seriously thanls for the help guys |
| [06:51:22] | dtm: | stinkytoe: k |
| [06:51:34] | Dagmar: | That would probably be when the first few automated worms started pillaging many many Linux machines |
| [06:52:29] | xris: | ok, time to sleep now. |
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| [06:53:59] | stinkytoe: | so what would be an appropriate address to use? i basically want 192.168.0.* and no one else |
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| [06:54:23] | Cardoe: | 192.168.0.0/24 |
| [06:54:25] | Cardoe: | and firewall it |
| [06:54:27] | Dagmar: | gutano: If those people are under the impression there's a difference between localhost and 127.0.0.1, it's the reason they working on getting their DBA cert and *not network administrators or system admins* |
| [06:54:42] | Dagmar: | iptables ftw |
| [06:54:54] | gutano: | the permissions in mysql are a pain |
| [06:55:00] | Dagmar: | Or actually, its' probably like everyone elses, and linked against libwrap.a |
| [06:55:16] | Dagmar: | Add "ALL : ALL" to /etc/hosts.deny and see if it breaks it. ;) |
| [06:55:22] | dtm: | Dagmar: l o l |
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| [06:55:35] | dtm: | gutano: that's why they made GUIs like webmin |
| [06:55:39] | dtm: | and phpmyamdin |
| [06:55:40] | dtm: | admin |
| [06:55:47] | Dagmar: | If it does, just chuck "ALL : 127.0.0.1" and "mysqld : 192.168.0." in /etc/hosts.allow |
| [06:55:59] | gutano: | <- phpmyadmin on boxes that need any reasonable admining |
| [06:56:20] | Dagmar: | libwrap is much easier for some things than iptables |
| [06:56:34] | ** gutano goes back to work ** | |
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| [06:59:20] | stinkytoe: | Cardoe: /quit |
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| [07:11:20] | Dagmar: | You can probably get shot at in Vegas just as well |
| [07:11:22] | Dagmar: | wrong channel |
| [07:13:49] | dtm: | :-I |
| [07:13:54] | dtm: | preach it, brotha |
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| [07:37:24] | oppiz: | ok so i got MythTV working but when i start the frontend and i use watch TV it records the TV. I have a dual tunner card how do i fix that? |
| [07:37:47] | kormoc: | oppiz, all live tv is recorded, and you can't change that |
| [07:38:15] | sphery: | oppiz: and you don't want to--if you want to be able to pause, rewind, and fast forward LiveTV... |
| [07:38:16] | oppiz: | damnit |
| [07:38:31] | sphery: | oppiz: If it really bugs you, xawtv |
| [07:38:40] | oppiz: | but what happens when i run out of space? |
| [07:38:42] | kormoc: | or mplayer or tvtime |
| [07:38:51] | kormoc: | oppiz, live recordings get autoexpired first |
| [07:38:58] | oppiz: | ah |
| [07:39:04] | kormoc: | oppiz, and they get auto-expired after 24 hours anyway |
| [07:39:52] | oppiz: | kormoc: so it knows to just overwrite auto play when it's full? |
| [07:40:00] | kormoc: | aye |
| [07:40:18] | oppiz: | sweet |
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| [07:42:49] | oppiz: | one more, mythdvd rippes the DVD i just want to watch it, or does it just expire it too? |
| [07:43:20] | sphery: | oppiz: if you select Play DVD it plays it |
| [07:43:37] | sphery: | if you select Import DVD it rips it |
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| [08:13:29] | oppiz: | ok so installed the plugings but there doesn't seem to be a way to run them from the mytvfrontedn |
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| [09:51:34] | stuarta: | hola juski |
| [09:51:45] | Juski: | eeyyup stuarta |
| [09:51:57] | stuarta: | i want my bed |
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| [09:53:23] | Juski: | shortest login ever! |
| [09:59:44] | liran1: | man that debian breakin is a mess |
| [09:59:54] | liran1: | btw, morning juski/stuarta |
| [10:00:39] | ** stuarta falls asleep ** | |
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| [10:43:14] | Juski: | why is friday the day everything always hits the fan? |
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| [10:43:52] | fred_basset: | no idea |
| [10:45:21] | fred_basset: | i'm suffering from an inability to function today. |
| [10:45:40] | Juski: | low motivation here |
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| [10:47:17] | fred_basset: | had an acheiving day yesterday, so today is being taken easy... |
| [10:54:50] | fred_basset: | seem to be collecting tickets. time to do some work on them.... |
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| [10:58:06] | fred_basset: | i need to make a new mytharchive theme. |
| [10:58:16] | Juski: | no rest for the wicked |
| [10:58:34] | fred_basset: | "Null", auto starts, no menu, no silly music, just the movie. |
| [10:59:15] | Juski: | heh. I was going to look at making better memu musak |
| [10:59:18] | fred_basset: | tried one the other day, the music is best described as 70s pr0n |
| [10:59:37] | Juski: | dum dummmmm waka waka |
| [10:59:58] | Juski: | it's just not the same without the wow & flutter these days though |
| [11:00:17] | fred_basset: | it just didn't fit with the movie.... |
| [11:00:42] | fred_basset: | Airy fairy menu, intro & music, with Blade |
| [11:03:51] | ** Juski ponders making a heavy metal disc intro which gets blown up by a rocket launcher ;-) ** | |
| [11:04:29] | fred_basset: | hehe, have you ever seen the video of the fastest barbeque lighting? |
| [11:04:46] | Juski: | is it on youtube? |
| [11:04:57] | fred_basset: | involves the use of liquid oxygen. |
| [11:05:08] | Juski: | muhahaha |
| [11:05:19] | fred_basset: | dunno, was about 7 or 8 years ago when I saw it.... |
| [11:05:57] | fred_basset: | yeah they poured liquid oxygen on it (from afar) had 10ft of flames and vapourized the grill.... |
| [11:06:11] | Juski: | oopsie |
| [11:06:19] | fred_basset: | hilarious |
| [11:07:34] | fred_basset: | http://www.doeblitz.net/ghg/ |
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| [11:11:18] | Juski: | class! |
| [11:11:39] | fred_basset: | :) the things engineering students get up to |
| [11:12:46] | Juski: | had a house party once where I'd buried a big capacitor unser a little mound of soil.. wires leading to a recifier (wrong polarity of course).. coming from the mains |
| [11:13:12] | Juski: | turned the switch.. nothing happenned :-/ |
| [11:13:23] | fred_basset: | now that would make a large pile of fluff |
| [11:13:28] | Juski: | the cap held its (reversed) charge |
| [11:13:41] | fred_basset: | how disappointing |
| [11:13:57] | Juski: | yup |
| [11:14:07] | Juski: | very |
| [11:14:28] | fred_basset: | at least that bloke got an "Ig Noble Laureate" for his trouble |
| [11:15:57] | fred_basset: | "Ig Noble" Prize even |
| [11:16:12] | Juski: | lucky it wasn't a darwin award :) |
| [11:22:03] | fred_basset: | people will patent anything. now there is a flatulence absorbing cushion for the chair bound... |
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| [11:25:27] | Juski: | bleh. just blame the doggie |
| [11:27:21] | Juski: | lol. I like this: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29815 |
| [11:28:54] | Juski: | "Stupid, inane commericals will also look amazingly deep and dimensional when viewed in the new format. The digital sound system will also greatly enhance their intrusive, overloud quality." |
| [11:28:55] | fred_basset: | hehe |
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| [11:29:10] | Juski: | that's sig material |
| [11:30:45] | fred_basset: | "Gauri Nanda of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, for inventing an alarm clock that runs away and hides, repeatedly, thus ensuring that people DO get out of bed, and thus theoretically adding many productive hours to the workday." |
| [11:31:08] | fred_basset: | A worth winner :) |
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| [11:31:59] | Juski: | lol. one for me, that |
| [11:32:02] | fred_basset: | http://www.clocky.net/ |
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| [11:32:49] | Dagmar: | Juski: not if I can figure out how to re-route ALSA's audio through normalize in realtime it won't damnit |
| [11:33:12] | Dagmar: | One of the things I'm really getting bent about is loud-ass commercials. |
| [11:33:15] | fred_basset: | Dagmar: possibly via jack? |
| [11:33:58] | Dagmar: | fred_basset: It's looking like that might be the route to take. The problem is that it increases latency, so if we don't want things to desync it's going to have to fit neatly into the buffer-space ALSA has. |
| [11:34:25] | Juski: | the problem with doing a good normalise is choosing a sample size |
| [11:34:31] | Dagmar: | If the audio is just fed out and through normalize, sounds is going to get out of sync |
| [11:34:39] | Juski: | normally you scan the whole audio file |
| [11:34:46] | Juski: | do comp/limit |
| [11:34:49] | Dagmar: | Actually a relatively small sample size, like under 1/4 second is all that's needed |
| [11:34:50] | Juski: | not normalise |
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| [11:35:25] | Dagmar: | I've coded stuff to do it in perl before. |
| [11:35:28] | Juski: | normalising 250ms of audio will sound shite on music & stuff. comp/limit instead |
| [11:35:35] | Dagmar: | Whether or not I can do the same thing in C is what's got me |
| [11:36:11] | Juski: | comp/limiting can have low latency indeed.. less than 250mS for sure |
| [11:36:15] | Juski: | ms even |
| [11:36:32] | fred_basset: | if you can do it in perl, should be easy in C |
| [11:36:39] | Dagmar: | I completely suck at C. |
| [11:37:01] | fred_basset: | sure I've seen a perl to C translator.... |
| [11:37:13] | Dagmar: | I would not be even the least bit suprised to fire up the first test build only to see bolts of green fire come out of the speakers and singe the housecat. |
| [11:37:15] | fred_basset: | produces horrible code... |
| [11:37:37] | Dagmar: | At some point I should actually read some C documentation about scoping. Heh |
| [11:37:39] | ** Juski would win in a 'whose code is more sucky' contest. sorry guys ** | |
| [11:38:09] | Dagmar: | I learned my C by reading Bugtraq and Eggdrop source. |
| [11:38:11] | fred_basset: | hehe, ever seen some of the entrants for the obfuscated C contest? |
| [11:38:35] | Juski: | Dagmar: do comp/limiting instead.. I'll be happier for it.. we could have sliders for the amount of dynamic range squishing |
| [11:38:40] | fred_basset: | they are truely unreadable. |
| [11:38:56] | Dagmar: | That I've dealt with Eggdrop at that level for extended periods of time and still remember to unzip before peeing is a credit to my mental stability. |
| [11:39:16] | Juski: | lol |
| [11:40:13] | Dagmar: | Dude, when the case-sensitivity RFC 1459 problem came out, I made a patch for it from ircII sources and got in a hurry, attributed the original code to Otto Harkonnen and forgot to fix it before I sent it off. |
| [11:40:28] | Dagmar: | Nine months later I look again, and it was still there. I had to submit another patch. |
| [11:40:57] | Dagmar: | The name I used being the Baron Harkonnen from Dune. |
| [11:41:18] | Dagmar: | Definitely not the name of some poor Finnish coder who was probably thinking "WTF?" if he saw it |
| [11:41:39] | Dagmar: | That's how sketch their QA process is. |
| [11:41:46] | Dagmar: | No one noticed _that_ name being in there. |
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| [11:51:17] | fred_basset: | hehe. "Pressures Produced When Penguins Pooh — Calculations on Avian Defaecation." |
| [11:51:30] | fred_basset: | reading these awards is cracking me up... |
| [11:52:08] | fred_basset: | "The effect of country music on suicide" |
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| [11:53:40] | darren_: | I've read no all Hauppauge PVR-350 remotes will work with mythTV – any ideas how to tell which ones will? |
| [11:55:04] | ** fred_basset didn't know herrings communicate by farting... ** | |
| [11:56:28] | ** fred_basset goes in search of food... ** | |
| [12:04:19] | Juski: | darren_: given lirc, irw & some time it's easy to find out. even if one didn't have a ready made set of config files, it's not rocket science to make your own. |
| [12:04:56] | darren_: | ok, so any of the remotes 'can' be made to work given time? |
| [12:04:58] | Juski: | and erm... why the pvr350? I'd not advise anyone to buy one these days |
| [12:05:11] | Juski: | darren_: can be made to work with a little work |
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| [12:05:39] | Juski: | use irrecord to 'learn' a new remote & make a lircd.conf file for it |
| [12:06:01] | darren_: | PVR 350 was first that I came across. What would you recommend, something like a 250? |
| [12:06:11] | Juski: | pvr150/250/500 |
| [12:06:35] | Juski: | modern VGA cards have good enough quality tv outputs not to need a pvr350 these days |
| [12:06:54] | Juski: | assuming you don't plan to put one in a 200MHz system of course |
| [12:07:10] | darren_: | am hoping to put this in a shuttle PC with built in VGA. :/ |
| [12:07:25] | Juski: | so the video output would be superfluous anyway |
| [12:07:57] | Juski: | shuttle PC with nvidia graphics? nvidia works better than ATI in linux, generally |
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| [12:08:12] | darren_: | 500 has dual tuners which is ideal as there is limited room in the case, but I don't fully understand the implications of no hardware decoder |
| [12:08:44] | darren_: | the machine is powerful though with an athlon xp 2000 and 512mb ram so it should cope |
| [12:08:54] | Juski: | having no hardware decoder would mean the cpu will have to do the decoding. no sweat for a reasonable cpu (600Mhz and up) |
| [12:09:52] | Juski: | disadvantages with the 350 card: no digital audio output. you have to loop the audio into your soundcard if you want to hear tv playback and mp3 playback from the same output |
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| [12:10:51] | Juski: | likewise for video or dvd playback in external apps.. audio comes out of the soundcard not the pvr350 audio outputs |
| [12:11:09] | TiTaN_pi8: | hello |
| [12:11:16] | darren_: | I read there could be issues with the VIA chipsets in the shuttle so I need to research that |
| [12:12:13] | Juski: | darren_: some motherboards are better than others – it can have little or nothing to do with the chipset |
| [12:12:36] | ** Juski has never had any IRQ or DMA issues with any via chipset board to date ** | |
| [12:12:50] | Juski: | but YMMV |
| [12:12:56] | darren_: | am sure there must be plenty of others who built using a shuttle |
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| [12:13:06] | TiTaN_pi8: | does anybody know if it is possible to run mythweb on one pc and do the recording on another pc? so I can program the recordings on the first pc and when it's almost time to record, that pc should boot the other pc so it can record? |
| [12:13:50] | mchou: | damn....Netgear actually productized networking over AC power lines..... |
| [12:14:26] | TiTaN_pi8: | what wrong with that? |
| [12:14:58] | mchou: | and it looks like segate 750GB disks are now in stores.... |
| [12:15:03] | mchou: | seagate* |
| [12:15:20] | opello: | newegg had them a while back, it's tempting :) |
| [12:15:49] | mchou: | Netgear Powerline HD |
| [12:15:56] | mchou: | lordy! |
| [12:16:07] | LabMonkey: | 750GB internal SATA? |
| [12:16:34] | mchou: | LabMonkey: SATA and PATA (both available) |
| [12:16:39] | LabMonkey: | wow |
| [12:16:55] | mchou: | US$400 |
| [12:17:02] | mchou: | not cheap :) |
| [12:17:06] | TiTaN_pi8: | mmh so nobody has experience with a seperate server for mythweb? |
| [12:17:35] | LabMonkey: | well I'm just thinking that a few of those in one of those network storage boxes would be pretty rad |
| [12:18:04] | mchou: | LabMonkey: there is even a version with firewire/usb2 |
| [12:18:16] | mchou: | $450 :) |
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| [12:25:47] | imperfect-: | Howdy |
| [12:26:14] | imperfect-: | Is it correct to assume that .20 an the OpenGL menu drawing will be a speed increase over .19 ? |
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| [12:33:22] | mchou: | imperfect-: try svn and tell us what you find out. |
| [12:35:55] | fred_basset: | TiTaN_pi8: it's just a bit of configuration in mythweb |
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| [12:39:36] | TiTaN_pi8: | fred_basset: so you have done this already? |
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| [12:41:51] | fred_basset: | nope, but the configuration is possible |
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| [12:46:57] | sapbeast: | .20 will be using opengl rendering? |
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| [12:48:55] | LabMonkey: | btw |
| [12:48:58] | LabMonkey: | just an observation |
| [12:49:12] | LabMonkey: | but the OSD looks like crap on my screen |
| [12:49:29] | fred_basset: | sapbeast: it's an option for the menus |
| [12:49:29] | LabMonkey: | real grainy |
| [12:51:08] | sapbeast: | yeah i have not paid attention to SVN lately, mainly because i dont wanna break my perfect myth operation |
| [12:51:19] | sapbeast: | but i guess its a good thing then my mythbox has my old geforce 4 ti4600 |
| [12:52:07] | mchou: | sapbeast: huh?? |
| [12:52:38] | mchou: | sapbeast: geforce4 doesnt do xvmc "for real" :) |
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| [12:53:39] | sapbeast: | i dont use xvmc |
| [12:53:52] | sapbeast: | and i know that, if i enable it the video quality is lousy |
| [12:54:12] | mchou: | lol, funny story: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5556997 |
| [12:54:49] | sapbeast: | thats a nice 200,000% return |
| [12:55:04] | mchou: | heh |
| [12:55:28] | mchou: | you cant even make a phone call these days with two dimes |
| [12:59:50] | mchou: | haha!! SCO cracks me up :) |
| [12:59:55] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v j-rod | |
| [13:01:25] | sapbeast: | SCO as in santa cruz operation |
| [13:01:32] | sapbeast: | or something else... |
| [13:01:57] | mchou: | sapbeast: you have it right |
| [13:02:26] | sapbeast: | are they still around? i thought they gave up with that attention whoring stuff after darl's head imploded |
| [13:02:45] | fred_basset: | if you are interested in their court proceedings go to http://www.groklaw.net |
| [13:03:27] | fred_basset: | sadly they are still around, but likely to go belly up soon. |
| [13:04:15] | sapbeast: | microsoft will make sure they dont, remember they strawman bought a bunch of thier licenses which they obviously would not use, to indirectly fund thier efforts against linux |
| [13:05:53] | fred_basset: | omg. there is a british standard (BS-6008) on the proper way to make a cup of tea. |
| [13:06:10] | mchou: | fred87: haha!! |
| [13:06:14] | liran1: | do you think there's a need for a configuration of the screen display which you can toggle it in real-time? |
| [13:06:37] | mchou: | fred_basset: is that going to ISO as well? :) |
| [13:06:49] | sapbeast: | dude i would bet there is a british standard on how to pee |
| [13:07:35] | fred_basset: | dunno, there's a paper been written entitled "an analysis of the forces required to drag sheep over various surfaces" |
| [13:08:15] | fred_basset: | and another on "the pressures produced when penguins poo" |
| [13:10:11] | fred_basset: | haha. http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9812/11/flame.thrower.car/ |
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| [13:29:20] | Juski: | omfg.. that _has_ to be a spoof |
| [13:29:33] | Juski: | bs6008.. no way |
| [13:29:52] | Juski: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS_6008 |
| [13:30:44] | fred_basset: | it *does* have an iso number after all!!!! |
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| [13:31:23] | fred_basset: | i might have to put that on the CV. |
| [13:31:31] | Juski: | pity there's no standard for how to serve a decent pint |
| [13:31:41] | Juski: | .. or is there? |
| [13:31:52] | fred_basset: | quite possible... |
| [13:32:34] | Juski: | (guffaws of laughter from my colleagues...) |
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| [13:33:50] | fred_basset: | "all activities are undertaken with strict adherence to BS6008 |
| [13:33:56] | fred_basset: | haha! |
| [13:36:22] | fred_basset: | wtf! 41 swiss francs to buy a copy of the standard on how to make tea!!!! |
| [13:37:49] | fred_basset: | there's about 30 standards all relating to tea.... |
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| [13:54:17] | Juski: | a copy has been printed out & put up in our kitchen here.. heh |
| [13:54:42] | Juski: | we'll have to get the kettle calibrated of course |
| [13:55:47] | sapbeast: | within 0.1 degrees of nominal value or you fail at life, and the FBI comes also |
| [13:56:25] | Juski: | yeh we could get umm extradited or something |
| [13:57:09] | sapbeast: | on a more serious note, is there an easy way (or hard way even) to benchmark the network performance of your computer |
| [13:57:22] | sapbeast: | rather than just trying to copy a file over samba to be more specific |
| [13:57:48] | GreyFoxx: | ftp ? |
| [13:57:49] | Juski: | I guess there must be. damned if I know though |
| [13:58:12] | GreyFoxx: | Or running bonnie or another diskio app on a mounted drive ? |
| [13:58:23] | Juski: | benchmarks, lies & statistics ;-) |
| [13:59:00] | sapbeast: | i know about bonnie, but thats local disk performance |
| [13:59:18] | sapbeast: | i mean like i have gigabit wired at home, but i dont know if samba or windows or the switch is limiting |
| [13:59:21] | sapbeast: | or even the network card |
| [13:59:38] | GreyFoxx: | sapt: It reads and writes to a parition, whether mounted or not, at least the tests IO've seen of it :) |
| [13:59:55] | GreyFoxx: | It sees how fast it can create, remove and write files |
| [14:00:05] | sapbeast: | you mean trying to write to a nfs mount? |
| [14:00:19] | GreyFoxx: | samba, nfs, cifs, whatever |
| [14:00:43] | GreyFoxx: | But I can tell you that samba is a lot slower than NFS and chews up a lot more CPU |
| [14:01:08] | GreyFoxx: | I've done that particular test several tims :) |
| [14:01:16] | sapbeast: | i shall attempt this later tonight then |
| [14:01:31] | sapbeast: | yeah samba sucks, but you need it for windows shares |
| [14:01:43] | GreyFoxx: | there is a way to nfs share windows folders |
| [14:01:57] | GreyFoxx: | some unix tools and nfs support you can get from m$'s site |
| [14:02:08] | GreyFoxx: | but it's not something I've done |
| [14:02:12] | sapbeast: | the reverse you mean... nfs on linux and reading the share on windoze |
| [14:02:16] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [14:02:18] | sapbeast: | yeah ive never even heard about it |
| [14:02:26] | GreyFoxx: | I mean sharing a folder from a windows machine via nfs |
| [14:02:40] | sapbeast: | nah, it would need to be the reverse unfortunately |
| [14:02:51] | GreyFoxx: | No, I've got a CD with the app here |
| [14:03:01] | GreyFoxx: | we get hundreds of these bloody disks from ms$ |
| [14:03:13] | GreyFoxx: | and one of the guys set it up just to see if it would work |
| [14:03:15] | sapbeast: | i mean i have more than one computer with linux... im just saying in practical terms im serving files off linux not windows |
| [14:03:41] | GreyFoxx: | Yes, and I'm saying that you are NOT forced to use samba, though it is the easiest option when dealing with a windows machine |
| [14:04:23] | GreyFoxx: | Though I admit, for the 2 windows machines on my network I use samba as it's not annoying enough to do otherwise :) |
| [14:04:28] | GreyFoxx: | the rest of my machines are nfs |
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| [14:06:23] | sapbeast: | GreyFoxx: good input at least though about using nfs for benchmarking |
| [14:06:51] | GreyFoxx: | if you are seeing performance issues you might want to check and see if you have a duplex mismatch as well |
| [14:07:06] | sapbeast: | all my machines should be 1000 full |
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| [14:07:21] | GreyFoxx: | autonegotiation is nice in theory, but many times in practice it's not :) |
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| [14:28:56] | Dagmar: | Actually, going Samba to Samba I get pretty near wire-speed. |
| [14:29:16] | afrosheen: | ftp is generally faster than samba, less overhead |
| [14:29:25] | Dagmar: | It's when Windows is actually involved in the process that things go straight to hell in a meticuloulsy woven Ahmish handbasket. |
| [14:29:38] | afrosheen: | ironically the latest samba in linux is much faster than windows server's samba |
| [14:29:42] | Dagmar: | If you're CPU-bound, maybe. :) |
| [14:30:05] | Dagmar: | I was just doing an scp earlier at 11MB/s |
| [14:30:56] | Dagmar: | afrosheen: There's something definitely brokenish about the way WinXp Home Edition does it |
| [14:31:03] | Dagmar: | I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to have gimped it somehow |
| [14:31:16] | afrosheen: | I haven't used home edition..ever |
| [14:31:26] | Dagmar: | I wasn't about to pay the extra $50 |
| [14:31:46] | Dagmar: | I don't exactly view any form of XP as deserving the title "professional" |
| [14:31:58] | afrosheen: | well you get better networking, domain stuff etc. |
| [14:32:17] | afrosheen: | a reg hack unlocks that for Home but it's still not exactly the same |
| [14:32:32] | Dagmar: | According to Microsoft, the networking stuff begins with domain logins and ends with limiting it to showing you five hosts maximum in the browse group |
| [14:32:47] | Dagmar: | They claim that's all there is, but I'm beginning to have my doubts about their veracity. |
| [14:33:00] | sapbeast: | yeah id be happy with even getting 30MB/sec off my gigabit wired, but the problem as you say is bloody windows for some insane stupid ass reason slows things the hell down |
| [14:33:28] | sapbeast: | seriously 2 of my windows computers between each other... barely even 10/100 type speeds, but use a different computer and its really damn fast |
| [14:33:34] | Dagmar: | definitely. I got to wait 35 minutes the other day to copy a DVD's-worth of files across the network because I was doing it under XP to Samba |
| [14:33:46] | afrosheen: | one thing that kills native samba transfers is the background transfer crap |
| [14:34:03] | afrosheen: | we were trying to test an iscsi solution here and wondered how it was so blazingly fast |
| [14:34:07] | sapbeast: | i think its windows is very screwy with tcp acks on its shares |
| [14:34:21] | sapbeast: | but even after attempting to "fix" it and the sizerequest setting, still slow |
| [14:34:33] | afrosheen: | then we discovered that long after windows reported the transfer was done, it was still happening in the backgroun |
| [14:34:46] | sapbeast: | is iscsi tcp or its own protocol? |
| [14:35:05] | afrosheen: | it's scsi over ethernet basically |
| [14:35:11] | afrosheen: | pretty damn cool |
| [14:35:24] | sapbeast: | well yeah i know that part, but is it layered on tcp... or its own protocol |
| [14:35:32] | afrosheen: | tcp I believe |
| [14:35:38] | sapbeast: | because i know of NAS solutions that use raw ethernet for increased performance |
| [14:36:00] | Dagmar: | http://www.storageconference.org/2003/papers/19-Meth-Design.pdf |
| [14:36:12] | Dagmar: | Most of the implemntations I've seen use TCP |
| [14:36:23] | afrosheen: | it will absolutely flood a 10/100 switch and we've seen it hit sustained wire speeds on gigabit as well |
| [14:36:37] | sapbeast: | thats really good then |
| [14:36:40] | Dagmar: | Well, it's not hard to flood a 10-anything |
| [14:36:47] | afrosheen: | well I'm talking the 100 side :) |
| [14:37:00] | afrosheen: | it's faster than our fiber channel |
| [14:37:03] | sapbeast: | usually you dont see stuff manage to peak out a gigabit wired network at least on single devices |
| [14:37:10] | Dagmar: | That's true |
| [14:37:20] | Dagmar: | Consumer disks have a problem just keeping those fed |
| [14:37:36] | sapbeast: | yeah a raid is the only way to fill a gigabit lan |
| [14:37:38] | afrosheen: | I think our array has 10k rpm sata drives...1.5tb or so |
| [14:37:44] | Dagmar: | It's the main reason I've not bothered to go to gigE |
| [14:37:48] | afrosheen: | raid 10 I think |
| [14:38:02] | afrosheen: | it works so well I forget about it, we've had it a few months |
| [14:38:07] | sapbeast: | Dagmar: to me its faster, i invested in it about 2 years ago... although it still needs work |
| [14:38:12] | sapbeast: | at least for home use |
| [14:38:36] | Dagmar: | Yeah, there's a couple NFS-mounted things at the office that are on gigE. |
| [14:38:37] | afrosheen: | the weirdness is in the initiator, MS released a good one last year, big update |
| [14:38:44] | sapbeast: | i mean i still see new consumer home products still working fine and dandy on 10/100, most people dont care |
| [14:38:45] | Dagmar: | More or less they might as well be mounted on local disks. |
| [14:39:44] | afrosheen: | Dagmar: I like transparency like that |
| [14:39:53] | afrosheen: | when it's so fast it's nearly local |
| [14:40:06] | sapbeast: | yeah thats the "goal" for network mounted storage, appear as good as if its a real disk |
| [14:40:27] | sapbeast: | there is still some latency added even for the best networks, but for larger files latency does not matter |
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| [14:41:01] | Dagmar: | afrosheen: Back in 2000 when I was playing EverQuest and Dark Ages Of Camelot, to get some realtime statistics modeling I resorted to installing them on a Samba share and upgraded to 100b-T. |
| [14:41:18] | Dagmar: | My local disks were much slower than what I had on the fileserver. It actually *sped up* zone loading times |
| [14:41:26] | afrosheen: | that's funny |
| [14:41:45] | Dagmar: | ...I had them on the fileshare so I could read the output logs from the game using perl on the other host |
| [14:42:18] | sapbeast: | yeah disk performance is sometimes amusing |
| [14:42:33] | sapbeast: | i remember back in 2000 i had my brand new ibm 75gxp, that thing was FAST for ide |
| [14:43:11] | sapbeast: | at the time it was truly blazing performance, brand new ata-100 spec and everything |
| [14:43:24] | Dagmar: | I was doing RAID 5 on a nice fast SCSI bus |
| [14:43:29] | afrosheen: | yeah going from ata-33 to ata-100 was a big change |
| [14:43:40] | afrosheen: | or ata66 to ata133 |
| [14:43:41] | sapbeast: | granted now, most of the disks you can buy in store are equally good... even simple 80 gig drives you pick up can sustain 50mb/sec |
| [14:43:44] | Dagmar: | It was a *large* speed increase |
| [14:44:02] | Dagmar: | Most of the time about all you get above ata66 seems to be lower latency tho |
| [14:44:18] | afrosheen: | yeah until you increase platter speeds :) |
| [14:44:26] | sapbeast: | there isnt a huge gap in disk performance today amoung 7.2k disks, you only really see massive speedups from 10k |
| [14:44:41] | Dagmar: | And *heat* |
| [14:44:56] | afrosheen: | that's what temp controlled server rooms are for |
| [14:45:04] | sapbeast: | yeah i have two raptor disks (not in the same computer) |
| [14:45:11] | Dagmar: | ...and aluminum heat spreaders strapped right onto the disks |
| [14:45:11] | afrosheen: | you get a few hundred 15k rpm drives in there and you can cook some eggs |
| [14:45:36] | scopeuk: | and any one that happens to be in the same room |
| [14:45:48] | Dagmar: | ...and fans on those... and 80mm fans blowing in and out of the case |
| [14:45:59] | Dagmar: | I could almost use the raid server to dry my hair |
| [14:46:14] | afrosheen: | 80mm? no no.. you get a handful of those screaming 45mm fans in the back of the chassis |
| [14:46:30] | Dagmar: | 80mm makes less noise for the same CFM |
| [14:46:30] | sapbeast: | we dont have a big NAS where I work, but our servers are pretty hot as they are with 15k drives |
| [14:46:48] | sapbeast: | 1/2U racks with those 40mm fans i want to strangle |
| [14:46:57] | afrosheen: | sapbeast: that's what I'm talking about |
| [14:47:09] | afrosheen: | those dell 2650's are hilarious when they first start up |
| [14:47:20] | afrosheen: | sounds like a kid blowing one of those turbine whistles |
| [14:47:23] | Dagmar: | I keep a number of machines running in my bedroom, so I'm a big fan (pardon the pun) of 80mm |
| [14:47:25] | sapbeast: | obviously you dont have to listen to them (duh server room) but when your working on one in the room for whatever reason... OH MY GOD |
| [14:47:28] | Dagmar: | White noise is good, but only to a point. |
| [14:47:34] | haj: | sapbeast: who cares.. rackservers always live in a room with no people :) |
| [14:47:35] | sapbeast: | its seriously deafening at a point |
| [14:47:39] | Dagmar: | When it's drowing out the television, there's a problem |
| [14:47:50] | afrosheen: | maybe that room needs to be colder if they're that loud |
| [14:48:04] | afrosheen: | or do the fans not throttle |
| [14:48:04] | sapbeast: | haj: what i just said, sometimes you visit the room :p |
| [14:48:19] | sapbeast: | fans dont throttle on servers, they are always top speed |
| [14:48:26] | afrosheen: | they throttle on ours |
| [14:48:29] | sapbeast: | i havent seen any servers that have smart fan controls |
| [14:48:30] | haj: | why is it, that people with mythtv-boxes don't just put the box in another room and draw cables? works for me :) |
| [14:48:49] | haj: | sapbeast: dosn't matter :) use earplugs or something :) |
| [14:48:52] | afrosheen: | haha |
| [14:49:05] | haj: | sapbeast: btw.. SUN Enterprise-250 has fancontrol :) |
| [14:49:10] | Dagmar: | haj: Because unless you want to punch a hole through the wall, you get some notable signal loss over anything beyond about 12 feet |
| [14:49:18] | afrosheen: | our 1u dells all do, and the 2u's |
| [14:49:23] | sapbeast: | haj: what? i hear you now im deaf :( |
| [14:49:51] | haj: | Dagmar: well.. 12 feet should be enough for most people. |
| [14:49:55] | sapbeast: | well we dont have any of the latest and greatest bleeding edge for high end servers... all the stuff we have is standard LOUD NOISES |
| [14:50:03] | Dagmar: | haj: That would be a very small apartment. |
| [14:50:05] | afrosheen: | put your mythbox in a nice silverstone case and water cool it..it's silent and looks good |
| [14:50:13] | haj: | sapbeast: all my servers are like that as well.. |
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| [14:50:31] | sapbeast: | you actually dont need watercooling to make a silent pc |
| [14:50:53] | sapbeast: | with the proper care and tools you can get various modern air cooling cases pretty quiet |
| [14:50:54] | afrosheen: | I realize that but alot of cases have fitment issues with wacky heatsinks and silent coolers |
| [14:51:04] | afrosheen: | at least, HTPC cases |
| [14:51:05] | Dagmar: | Speaking of cable runs, the HVAC tech who came to fix my new apartment's AC mentioned that I had all the vent covers off the HVAC ports in the place. |
| [14:51:18] | sapbeast: | HTPC yeah... ill agree there you cant put big stuff in there |
| [14:51:24] | Dagmar: | How else am I supposed to use them to run ethernet? |
| [14:51:27] | haj: | Dagmar: oh well.. in copenhagen i think its possible to do in most apartments.. also you move a DVI-signal longer than 12 feet.. |
| [14:51:56] | Dagmar: | I had to explain to the landlord that no, I wasn't systematically dismantling the place. Heh |
| [14:52:10] | afrosheen: | haj: my stupid Sharp Aquos won't give decent quality over dvi/hdmi unless there's something with an hdcp chip on the other end :( |
| [14:52:13] | sapbeast: | afrosheen: oddly enough standard dell desktops we get are pretty damn quiet despite being P4 furnaces (newer machines weve been getting) |
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| [14:52:22] | sapbeast: | i dont know what they do, but they do a damn good job on noise |
| [14:52:32] | Dagmar: | sapbeast: plastic cases |
| [14:52:42] | afrosheen: | sapbeast: the latest ones, the optiplexes do a fine job but look at that enormous hole in the front of them |
| [14:52:52] | Dagmar: | Unless you're just a fiend about using rubber washers to dampen noise, metal cases act like little kettle drums |
| [14:52:56] | sapbeast: | afrosheen: no, even thier tiny form factors |
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| [14:53:20] | sapbeast: | Dagmar: thats what id like to know, they have these funny rubber feet mounts for the fans which i cannot find ANYWHERE |
| [14:53:25] | Dagmar: | Their CFF boxes are basically notebook boards with a minimum of fans in them, and still the cases are plastic |
| [14:53:30] | afrosheen: | Dagmar: the most noise I ever hear is from fans |
| [14:53:42] | sapbeast: | they are like all rubber and look like old PC motherboard mounting pegs that were plastic (remember those?) they fit on the fan |
| [14:53:52] | Dagmar: | sapbeast: www.plycon.com... I can't remember hte name of the other place I buy stuff like that from |
| [14:53:58] | afrosheen: | sapbeast: my antec sonata II case came with those rubber fan pegs |
| [14:54:04] | afrosheen: | that is a badass atx case btw |
| [14:54:09] | Dagmar: | Antec's BQE models are no joke |
| [14:54:10] | sapbeast: | holy shit thanks |
| [14:54:20] | sapbeast: | seriously ive been looking all over for those things |
| [14:54:22] | Dagmar: | I had to use one to make a PC for a studio tech about a year ago |
| [14:54:31] | afrosheen: | yeah I love it |
| [14:54:40] | Dagmar: | On first boot up with the cover closed, I thought maybe I'd done something wrong. You have to get right up on the thing to hear it |
| [14:54:45] | afrosheen: | I felt like a fool for spending 125 on a case until I started using it |
| [14:54:57] | Dagmar: | Yep. They're definitely worth the extra money |
| [14:55:03] | afrosheen: | even the power supply fan throttles for silence |
| [14:55:11] | afrosheen: | and you don't have to twist knobs on i |
| [14:55:13] | afrosheen: | it |
| [14:55:18] | sapbeast: | yeah i agree there on cases |
| [14:55:24] | sapbeast: | paying more IS worth it |
| [14:55:34] | sapbeast: | if its from a good build |
| [14:55:48] | afrosheen: | the pipe for the vga card is kinda chinzy but maybe people use it, I didn't |
| [14:56:11] | sapbeast: | however i am disappointed on some things |
| [14:56:26] | sapbeast: | i bought a bunch of panaflo fans a while back, despite what people say they are not very quiet |
| [14:56:36] | sapbeast: | in fact ive had double ball bearing fans that are more quiet |
| [14:56:43] | afrosheen: | no shit, same thing here |
| [14:57:12] | afrosheen: | the quietest fan is no fan at all |
| [14:57:19] | sapbeast: | im like "quiet my ass, did you wear headphones when reviewing them?!" |
| [14:57:31] | sapbeast: | genuinely quiet fans ive used: vantec stealth |
| [14:57:34] | afrosheen: | unfortunately some fans are necessary when you have 3 or 4 hard drives |
| [14:57:38] | sapbeast: | thier 120mm = awesome |
| [14:57:50] | afrosheen: | the 80mm stealths are nothing special though |
| [14:58:02] | sapbeast: | yeah its really difficult finding a good 80mm |
| [14:58:16] | afrosheen: | there's something about that size that just makes it loud |
| [14:58:21] | sapbeast: | which is why im surprised that TMD fans never made it past the experimental stage |
| [14:58:52] | sapbeast: | yeah its the bearings for some reason, sleeve bearings are quiet but they of course will break in a few months and are unacceptable |
| [14:59:06] | sapbeast: | double ball bearings is noisier from the "rrrrrrrr" sound which i always hate |
| [14:59:46] | Dagmar: | sapbeast: Aha! I dug up some reciepts. www.directron.com. They have some of the stuff from www.casearts.com (which is just ATX case porn) |
| [15:00:27] | Dagmar: | I got a nice "knotty burlwood" case from them. I had to enamel it myself, but luckily this time I didn't screw it up so it came out very pimp |
| [15:00:31] | sapbeast: | Dagmar: where are those rubber feet on plycon?? |
| [15:00:56] | afrosheen: | plycon? |
| [15:01:01] | sapbeast: | i see "noise dampeners" but those are not the same thing |
| [15:01:29] | afrosheen: | antec says they're made out of silicon |
| [15:01:32] | afrosheen: | I'll do some googling |
| [15:01:44] | Dagmar: | sapbeast: They must have stopped carrying them. I'm digging through directron's site now |
| [15:01:55] | sapbeast: | well the thing is, i have some of those "noise dampeners" but they are absolutely worthless |
| [15:02:07] | sapbeast: | the silicone gasket that fits around the fan, they DONT WORK |
| [15:02:15] | Dagmar: | sapbeast: Search for "grommet" on most of these sites and you find the stuff |
| [15:02:15] | sapbeast: | your still using metal screws, transfers the noise |
| [15:02:27] | afrosheen: | you're looking for the pegs |
| [15:02:34] | Dagmar: | THey often come with the little rubber plugs, but in a pinch I'll just use rubber bands |
| [15:02:37] | sapbeast: | yeah the pegs... |
| [15:02:44] | sapbeast: | lemme look further then |
| [15:04:12] | afrosheen: | http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index. . . . a&page=1 |
| [15:04:15] | afrosheen: | bam |
| [15:04:16] | afrosheen: | sold out |
| [15:04:37] | Dagmar: | Ooh I gotta bookmark that site |
| [15:05:03] | afrosheen: | check the nexus kit at the very bottom |
| [15:05:22] | sapbeast: | yeah thats exactly what im talking about |
| [15:05:26] | sapbeast: | "rubber screws" |
| [15:05:38] | afrosheen: | that kit has everything you need |
| [15:06:01] | sapbeast: | http://www.coolerguys.com/840556020431.html |
| [15:06:12] | sapbeast: | thats a much better search term... rubber screw |
| [15:06:17] | sapbeast: | get alot farther with that |
| [15:06:29] | Dagmar: | Oh perfect :) |
| [15:06:46] | sapbeast: | awesome, ill have to see if i can get some of those now |
| [15:07:06] | afrosheen: | that's a good kit but the fans are still open |
| [15:07:16] | sapbeast: | i seriously think they must make a good difference because thats all i see on dell pc's and they are far quieter with those things |
| [15:07:17] | afrosheen: | the long ones in the nexus kit closes the fan legs |
| [15:07:50] | afrosheen: | well dell uses the crazy finned heatsink that's like 6 inches tall and use a thermo controlled fan to ventilate it out the back of the case too |
| [15:08:07] | Dagmar: | sapbeast: Like I said, metal cases act like kettle drums. The amplify the noise because of the vibration coming from the fans. Dampen that with rubber washers and the noise drops drastically |
| [15:09:03] | sapbeast: | yeah i understand that full |
| [15:09:17] | sapbeast: | my worst culprit is my old coolermaster ATCS |
| [15:09:28] | sapbeast: | its all aluminium which is nice but its HORRIBLE if you have all teh fans running |
| [15:09:28] | Dagmar: | Plastic is a bit more stubborn about not doing that all by itself. Add the grommets and you eliminate a lot of noise right there |
| [15:09:44] | Dagmar: | Yeah, the stuff Case Arts sells is made by LIan Li |
| [15:09:48] | afrosheen: | I think the loudest thing in my case is the vga card and the gurgling from the coolant reservoir |
| [15:10:01] | sapbeast: | afrosheen: i understand that too, but what do you mean by closed fan legs? i have a rheobus for my fans to adjust the speeds by the way |
| [15:10:05] | Dagmar: | Very badass aluminum construction for cooling, but doesn't do crap to prevent noise transfer |
| [15:10:20] | sapbeast: | im thinking of getting a few of those nexus kits now... |
| [15:10:24] | Dagmar: | ...which is why I've got rubberbands holding the fans in place where I wasn't able to pad their clips with some thin foam |
| [15:10:34] | haj: | btw.. i asked this before some time ago.. |
| [15:10:39] | afrosheen: | closed fan legs means putting something between the tabs on each side where they're drilled |
| [15:10:56] | afrosheen: | I guess you could shove any chunk of rubber in there after you attach it |
| [15:11:01] | Dagmar: | Knot the rubber band several times in the middle. |
| [15:11:03] | Dagmar: | Yes, I'm cheap. |
| [15:11:03] | haj: | My mythtv refuses to record Simpsons.. it says that all the episodes has already been recorded ? |
| [15:11:04] | sapbeast: | afrosheen: like if you used a bolt then (???) |
| [15:11:04] | Dagmar: | Heh |
| [15:11:20] | afrosheen: | sapbeast: yeah, a full length bolt |
| [15:11:24] | Dagmar: | haj: You'll have to disable duplicate detection and manually pick and choose then |
| [15:11:38] | haj: | Dagmar: i tried that.. but it keeps not recording :( |
| [15:11:56] | Dagmar: | You didn't disable the thing that prevents recordings of duplicates then |
| [15:12:01] | sapbeast: | afrosheen: ah i see then |
| [15:12:06] | haj: | Dagmar: i have it set to 'Duplicate Check Method: none' ? |
| [15:12:22] | Dagmar: | I dont' even remember seeing that menu item |
| [15:12:38] | haj: | it's in the webfront.. oh, better check in the real frontend btw :) |
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| [15:12:58] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I haven't yet completed getting MythWeb working. |
| [15:13:07] | Dagmar: | I'm trying to use a httpd other than Apache for it and it's taking some doing |
| [15:13:17] | fyrestrtr: | guys, is there anyone using mythtv in kuwait? |
| [15:13:24] | sapbeast: | Dagmar/afrosheen seriously thanks though for the info, ive been pulling my hair out on conventional noise kits been trying to find those rubber mounts... ive gotten my pc's decently quiet but i still get that vibration noise |
| [15:13:28] | Dagmar: | They have TV in Kuwait? |
| [15:13:30] | haj: | Dagmar: do you remember where to disable duplicate-check ? |
| [15:13:32] | fyrestrtr: | trying to figure out how to configure the satellites. |
| [15:13:45] | fyrestrtr: | Dagmar: LOL — yeah, but everyone watches satellite. |
| [15:14:16] | Dagmar: | haj: The only place I've ever set it on mine is in the interface, right where you schedule it to record things. There's an option there in the same set of menus you see right after you pick a program from the guide to record |
| [15:14:17] | sapbeast: | cheaper price: http://www.xoxide.com/nexus-pc-vibration-kit.html |
| [15:14:38] | ** Dagmar breaks out the credit card. ** | |
| [15:14:44] | afrosheen: | sapbeast: well you helped me learn too |
| [15:14:50] | Dagmar: | That looks like enough stuff to replace all my rubber bands |
| [15:15:11] | sapbeast: | im breaking mine out as we speak also |
| [15:15:47] | Dagmar: | xoxide has some downright wacky faceplates |
| [15:15:56] | Dagmar: | Crazy instrument panels. |
| [15:15:57] | sapbeast: | ive spent the past year off and on trying to look for something just like that... its like having a geek boner |
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| [15:16:30] | haj: | Dagmar: ah.. found it.. made a new schedule, but it still dosn't record them / |
| [15:16:34] | haj: | :/ |
| [15:17:24] | haj: | wonder what will happen if i delete all the episodes of Simpsons on the box |
| [15:19:01] | sapbeast: | sweet just ordered 2 of those kits |
| [15:19:48] | sapbeast: | (yeah i actually need 2, my coolermaster ATCS has 4 80mm fans) |
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| [15:22:55] | haj: | ah.. actually it dosn't record anything.. broken shit.. :) |
| [15:23:36] | haj: | wonder if the DB is broken |
| [15:25:22] | Dagmar: | At least it's relatively simple to blow away and restore the database |
| [15:25:39] | Dagmar: | One of the first things i do is snapshot the configuration |
| [15:25:44] | haj: | hm .. duh. |
| [15:25:49] | Dagmar: | ...although honestly I don't change a whole bunch of it |
| [15:25:52] | haj: | restarted the backend... now it wants to record |
| [15:25:57] | haj: | better keep an eye on it :) |
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| [15:28:19] | Dagmar: | haj: You might want to spend a little time looking up how to use mysqldump |
| [15:28:23] | Dagmar: | It's very handy |
| [15:28:45] | haj: | Dagmar: apart from that, i actually like mythweb a lot... it gived me the chance to schedule recording from my mobilephone, and allows me to waste my time at work with it ;) |
| [15:29:01] | haj: | Dagmar: i am doing dumps every night :) |
| [15:29:09] | haj: | Dagmar: but the db wasn't broken |
| [15:31:20] | ** haj goes to the kitchen... away ** | |
| [15:32:11] | sapbeast: | i havent bothered with mythweb yet |
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| [15:35:59] | Dagmar: | I'm going to be using the hell out of it as soon as Nintendo stops being petty and releases the browser for the DS |
| [15:36:23] | Dagmar: | At this point, I think if Lik Sang can get their hands on them, I'll just struggle with the Japanese version rather than wait until freaking DECEMBER |
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| [15:40:32] | sapbeast: | yeah nintendo ds ftw |
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| [16:01:06] | null: | Anyone using an intel8x0 soundcard? I have loaded the drivers, unmuted the card but I do not get any output from it.. :/ |
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| [16:09:49] | sphery: | null: no output at all or none in Myth |
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| [16:14:37] | ** kormoc is a bit amused that null is having a problem with null output ** | |
| [16:15:13] | null: | sphery: nothing at all :/ |
| [16:15:27] | sphery: | lol (at kormoc's statement) |
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| [16:16:47] | sphery: | null: (Only because I've done it before) Are you sure you've got output plugged in to the right jack/card? |
| [16:16:55] | liran_: | is it just me or this channel has really grown in the past 2 months? :) |
| [16:16:55] | null: | I think so yes |
| [16:17:00] | null: | I tried every jack I have |
| [16:17:15] | sphery: | So, when you play something with aplay, does it take a while to return? |
| [16:17:23] | kormoc: | liran_, it's you, it's been around 150 for the past year at least |
| [16:17:25] | sphery: | (to the command line) |
| [16:17:30] | null: | It says playing and plays and it finishs |
| [16:17:41] | sphery: | So, the ALSA stuff is working. |
| [16:17:48] | sphery: | It's "outside" that system... |
| [16:17:49] | null: | yes, but I have no output with aplay |
| [16:18:05] | sphery: | Are you going direct to speakers or through a receiver? |
| [16:18:15] | null: | directly to the speakers of my tv |
| [16:18:29] | sphery: | And your TV's volume is turned up? :) |
| [16:18:33] | null: | Yes |
| [16:18:39] | sphery: | just making sure. |
| [16:18:40] | null: | It works when I plug my laptop on it |
| [16:18:44] | null: | of course ;-) |
| [16:18:55] | kormoc: | you sure the alsa lines are un-muted? |
| [16:19:13] | null: | Yes |
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| [16:19:36] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:19:40] | Beirdo: | xril? |
| [16:19:58] | Beirdo: | oh, that's a 1 |
| [16:20:41] | sphery: | null: Can you run these commands |
| [16:20:46] | sphery: | amixer -q set PCM unmute |
| [16:20:51] | sphery: | amixer -q set MASTER unmute |
| [16:20:59] | sphery: | and then try to play again... |
| [16:21:09] | null: | it says unable to find control MASTER |
| [16:21:25] | null: | it works for Master though ;) |
| [16:21:31] | null: | no chance |
| [16:21:34] | null: | *change |
| [16:22:30] | sphery: | oops |
| [16:22:39] | sphery: | thanks for catching that... |
| [16:22:51] | sphery: | OK, so not muted, plays back, but no output... |
| [16:23:01] | null: | yes. |
| [16:23:05] | null: | very odd |
| [16:23:22] | sphery: | And you're plugged in to the green jack on the card... |
| [16:23:44] | null: | jup, plus I plugged in my headphones into the other one, and another pair of headphones in the last one, but no output ;) |
| [16:23:45] | sphery: | (and not the green jack on the motherboard, if you have both) |
| [16:23:58] | null: | green jack on the motherboard? I only have onboard sound... |
| [16:24:01] | sphery: | what happens if you plug the headphones into the green jack |
| [16:24:07] | sphery: | OK, just wanted to make sure. |
| [16:24:14] | null: | sphery: nothing... |
| [16:24:32] | sphery: | I debugged a friend's system for 20 minutes when he had plugged into the on-board sound, but I had configured a card |
| [16:24:51] | null: | hehe |
| [16:25:08] | sphery: | Hmmm. |
| [16:25:14] | sphery: | I think I'm out of suggestions... |
| [16:25:25] | sphery: | Are you sure the onboard sound card is functional? |
| [16:25:30] | null: | Yes, it worked with win |
| [16:25:45] | sphery: | OK. (Plus since ALSA thinks it's working, it probably is...) |
| [16:26:07] | sphery: | Do you have a .asoundrc? |
| [16:26:13] | null: | no |
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| [16:27:08] | sphery: | null: can you save the .asoundrc from http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DigitalSound . . . .2C_Properly to ~/.asoundrc and try again |
| [16:27:20] | null: | ok |
| [16:28:00] | null: | doesn't work |
| [16:28:05] | sphery: | same results? |
| [16:28:10] | null: | yes |
| [16:28:19] | sphery: | I recommend keeping that .asoundrc, anyway... |
| [16:28:34] | xri1: | Beirdo: man, that guy keeps stealing my nick |
| [16:28:54] | sphery: | and, if you do an "aplay -D analog /path/to/audio/file"? |
| [16:28:56] | kormoc: | null, what chipset? |
| [16:29:14] | sphery: | kormoc: intel8x0 |
| [16:29:15] | null: | kormoc: erm, Intel ICH5 |
| [16:29:25] | sphery: | (perhaps NFORCE?) |
| [16:29:26] | kormoc: | and dmesg finds it fine? |
| [16:29:33] | null: | no nforce |
| [16:29:37] | Beirdo: | xri1, so boot his ass |
| [16:29:40] | xri1: | I do |
| [16:29:40] | null: | ASUS P4P800-SE ;) |
| [16:29:41] | xri1: | every day |
| [16:29:46] | mfgalizia: | Has anyone noticed a decrease in performance of the internal player in the 0.19 branch? mpeg4 videos that used to place smoothly now skip big time. |
| [16:29:47] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [16:30:02] | null: | sphery: -D analog = no output |
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| [16:30:33] | null: | kormoc: dmesg says "intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 50128 usecs |
| [16:30:37] | null: | and intel8x0: clocking to 48000 |
| [16:30:45] | xris: | I'd set a hostmask but I connect from too many completely different ip's (even if it's only 3) |
| [16:30:51] | sphery: | null: I don't think I'll be much help, then... |
| [16:30:52] | kormoc: | null, that's fine |
| [16:32:19] | sigger: | is it just me or is it possible the weather could actually change by the time MythWeather loads? |
| [16:32:43] | null: | kormoc: I just check, the tv outputs sound if I plug it into my laptop... |
| [16:32:53] | sphery: | sigger: I think you've changed ;) |
| [16:33:09] | sphery: | It does take a while |
| [16:33:43] | sphery: | null: Yeah. I think it's something on your other system since headphones don't work on it, either |
| [16:33:56] | sphery: | You don't have any sound servers running, do you? |
| [16:33:59] | null: | no |
| [16:34:01] | sphery: | ESD or aRts or ... |
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| [16:34:18] | null: | i don't even have installed such a thing.. .and I think it would output something if something like that would be running |
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| [16:37:40] | null: | sphery: well, i'll give it a shot another day ;) |
| [16:37:49] | null: | sphery, kormoc thanks for your help |
| [16:38:25] | sphery: | null: gl. Sorry I wasn't any help. |
| [16:38:47] | kormoc: | you're welcome, but yeah, sorry I couldn't help more |
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| [16:51:18] | Fnc-1: | All: I was wondering if someone could give me some options as far as capture cards go.. (this will be the third one) Im looking for one that does audio over pci, and has really good qualit/color reproduction as far as the image goes... right now i have a PVR-150 MCE, which i got the colors a bit better, but still dont like all that much... |
| [16:53:30] | sphery: | Fnc-1: I'd still recommend a PVR-x50 |
| [16:53:43] | Fnc-1: | x being? |
| [16:53:52] | sphery: | Might like the colors on a PVR-250 better, but it might be hard to find (and more expensive) |
| [16:53:59] | sphery: | x being 1, 2, or 3 |
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| [16:54:33] | Fnc-1: | the 1 i have... sux... i think its 1042 |
| [16:54:57] | Fnc-1: | using it for std cable... |
| [16:55:05] | sphery: | with the tuner? |
| [16:55:11] | Fnc-1: | yup |
| [16:55:14] | sphery: | which tuner? |
| [16:55:22] | Fnc-1: | hmm... not at my box right now... |
| [16:55:26] | Fnc-1: | LG something |
| [16:55:27] | sphery: | just curious |
| [16:55:30] | Fnc-1: | type 47 |
| [16:55:39] | sphery: | probably LG TAPE (NTSC) |
| [16:55:41] | sphery: | type 47 |
| [16:55:44] | sphery: | yep |
| [16:55:55] | Fnc-1: | LG Tape is right.. but there was something else there also |
| [16:55:57] | sphery: | do you have a good signal from your cable |
| [16:56:23] | Fnc-1: | i think it was this one.,.. |
| [16:56:24] | Fnc-1: | LG TAPE H001F MK3 |
| [16:56:48] | Fnc-1: | yeah... signal is good... picture looked real good on another card.. the leadtek 2000xp something or other |
| [16:56:48] | sphery: | Yeah. |
| [16:57:05] | sphery: | Just a standard LG NTSC (TAPE series) |
| [16:57:15] | sphery: | Hmmm. |
| [16:57:31] | sphery: | Most of the problems I've seen with PQ for that tuner were due to poor signal. |
| [16:57:40] | sphery: | It requires a stronger signal than many tuners. |
| [16:57:44] | sphery: | (cheaper?) |
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| [16:58:18] | Fnc-1: | its more a color issue... like things are not right, found some "fixes" for that.. but still doesnt look quite right |
| [16:59:47] | sphery: | What do you have set for your Brightness/Contrast/Color/Hue |
| [17:00:02] | sphery: | 32768 works well on a friend's |
| [17:00:33] | sphery: | Also, you might want to check out http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/17953#17953 |
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| [17:03:41] | Fnc-1: | this is the one thats more of what sort of issues im having |
| [17:03:42] | Fnc-1: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/28696 |
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| [17:04:19] | sphery: | Oh. |
| [17:04:28] | sphery: | Sounds like that's a PVR-150-specific issue. |
| [17:04:36] | Fnc-1: | yeah |
| [17:04:44] | sphery: | My friend's cards are all 250's and they look good to me with the type 47 tuner |
| [17:05:07] | Fnc-1: | got cha |
| [17:05:10] | Fnc-1: | whats a good tuner? |
| [17:05:17] | Fnc-1: | er.. day i say the best? |
| [17:05:39] | sphery: | but, I won't say that I'm recommending buying a 250, instead--IMHO, it's too much money. |
| [17:05:50] | sphery: | (He has 250's because we started before the 150 was out) |
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| [17:06:13] | sphery: | I've had good luck with type 2 |
| [17:06:30] | Fnc-1: | if im gunna buy yet another card.. i sure would like it to be the last one... but i want one that can pump out good quality / colors |
| [17:06:39] | sphery: | Philips NTSC (FI1236,FM1236 and compatibles) |
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| [17:06:44] | Fnc-1: | type 2 is pretty old now right? |
| [17:06:57] | sphery: | It's one that was used as the basis of pretty much all the other (cheap) ones out there |
| [17:07:15] | sphery: | (which is why only one tuner module is required for the 75+ tuner models...) |
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| [17:07:20] | Fnc-1: | wondering about finding one still... what about the type 50, any idea, ive seen a lot of info on there... |
| [17:07:26] | Fnc-1: | got cha |
| [17:07:27] | sphery: | (granted, that's only the basis of hte NTSC ones) |
| [17:07:35] | sphery: | Don't know. |
| [17:07:56] | sphery: | I patched the tuner module for both type 47 and type 50, but I don't use RF-modulated input |
| [17:08:07] | sphery: | My friend was using it for his type 47's, so I've seen that. |
| [17:08:22] | sphery: | I have the type 50's, but I use S-video (and don't have an RF-mod source) |
| [17:08:31] | sphery: | So, I've never seen the tuner output... |
| [17:08:33] | Fnc-1: | using what? patch? |
| [17:08:41] | Fnc-1: | got cha |
| [17:08:45] | sphery: | I added support for those tuners to the tuner module |
| [17:08:58] | sphery: | (long time ago--it's in mainstream kernels, so no patch is necessary, now) |
| [17:09:21] | Fnc-1: | is there a list somewhere of the rev. and what not... so i know when im shopping, what tuner something has? |
| [17:09:34] | sphery: | the rev is more the MCE versus non-MCE stuff... |
| [17:09:46] | sphery: | tuner model is a roll of the dice... |
| [17:09:52] | sphery: | Not advertised |
| [17:10:04] | sphery: | You have to peel back the sticker on the actual tuner module hardware to find out |
| [17:10:18] | Fnc-1: | hmpf... |
| [17:10:26] | sphery: | Most stores don't like your opening boxes and peeling stickers off hardware. ;) |
| [17:11:02] | sphery: | I think, though, that the tuner has (much) less to do with it than the PVR-150 issues |
| [17:11:17] | sphery: | What driver version are you using? |
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| [17:12:51] | Fnc-1: | .4.6 |
| [17:13:01] | sphery: | Well, perhaps they've improved it in 0.6 or 0.8... |
| [17:13:03] | Fnc-1: | and the current firmware i think |
| [17:13:09] | sphery: | Although I'm not recommending an upgrade |
| [17:13:13] | sphery: | I'm still using 0.2.0-rc3j |
| [17:13:14] | sphery: | :) |
| [17:13:25] | sphery: | (if it ain't broke...) |
| [17:13:37] | Fnc-1: | heh |
| [17:16:21] | gutano: | I keep getting various errors/warnings (they are not labeled as such) durring my firewire recordings.. Anyone know exactly what they mean, or any tips to clear them up (I believe they result in video discrepensies) http://pastebin.ca/88197 (look for [mpeg2video @ 0x2aaaabf1ae90]) |
| [17:16:35] | janneg: | ivtv 0.8 == ivtv trunk will work only with a patched mythtv (ticket 2044) |
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| [17:38:21] | DrMitch: | myth = sexy |
| [17:38:42] | ** gutano nods ** | |
| [17:39:05] | gutano: | maybe even myth == sexy =D |
| [17:39:17] | gutano: | err... |
| [17:39:28] | dtm: | :-. |
| [17:39:32] | gutano: | (myth == "sexy") returns true? |
| [17:40:09] | liran1: | ofcourse it does |
| [17:40:13] | liran1: | i think we need a mythtv tux |
| [17:40:14] | liran1: | hehe |
| [17:40:30] | DrMitch: | if (strcmp(myth,"sexy") return true; |
| [17:40:44] | DrMitch: | s/)/))/ |
| [17:41:01] | DrMitch: | you mean a logo? |
| [17:41:09] | dtm: | tux in an easy chair with his feathers blown back and pointing a remote forward |
| [17:41:12] | liran1: | something like these |
| [17:41:13] | liran1: | http://tux.crystalxp.net/ |
| [17:41:20] | liran1: | lol dtm |
| [17:41:59] | DrMitch: | i like Constiped |
| [17:42:10] | dtm: | what in the world is wrong with whoever made those tuxes?! |
| [17:42:41] | gutano: | ^^ +1 |
| [17:43:30] | liran1: | what are you talking about |
| [17:43:32] | liran1: | they're so cool :) |
| [17:47:15] | Beirdo: | DrMitch, you missed the ! |
| [17:47:35] | Beirdo: | if( !strcmp(myth, "sexy") ) return true; |
| [17:47:42] | Beirdo: | assuming you are looking for equality :) |
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| [17:50:53] | kormoc: | or just return !strcmp(myth, "sexy") |
| [17:50:57] | kormoc: | or rather |
| [17:51:00] | kormoc: | or just return strcmp(myth, "sexy"); |
| [17:51:51] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:51:55] | Beirdo: | to be careful... |
| [17:52:12] | Beirdo: | return !(!strcmp(myth, "sexy")) |
| [17:52:16] | Beirdo: | muhahhaha |
| [17:52:18] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [17:52:26] | Beirdo: | that way it's always 0 for false, 1 for true |
| [17:52:27] | ** jammyd cries ** | |
| [17:52:41] | Beirdo: | overkill and then some |
| [17:53:08] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'm being silly |
| [17:53:16] | Beirdo: | trying to spruce up the bot code a bit here :) |
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| [17:55:56] | Beirdo: | I'm gonna bitch-slap autoconf |
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| [17:57:44] | Rouki: | does anyone know why my .lircrc file isn't executing. |
| [17:58:02] | Rouki: | my lircd daemon is started, irw is working flawlessly, but nothing. |
| [17:58:15] | KyleAnderson: | Where is the file located? |
| [17:58:28] | Rouki: | ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [17:58:44] | Rouki: | well its ~/.mythtv/.lircrc |
| [17:59:28] | KyleAnderson: | Mine is the first one |
| [17:59:53] | KyleAnderson: | ~/.mythtv/lircr |
| [17:59:59] | KyleAnderson: | c |
| [18:00:11] | Rouki: | really? |
| [18:00:15] | Rouki: | ok |
| [18:00:17] | Rouki: | i will try renaming |
| [18:02:41] | Rouki: | still nothing |
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| [18:03:37] | KyleAnderson: | Did you make it yourself? can you give us a sample? |
| [18:04:54] | Rouki: | ok |
| [18:05:04] | Rouki: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . light=lircrc |
| [18:05:09] | Rouki: | its from that forum |
| [18:07:58] | Rouki: | if its of anyhelp, im using the mceusb driver.. |
| [18:08:11] | KyleAnderson: | And you get codes from irw? |
| [18:08:20] | sphery: | Rouki: After you renamed the file to the correct name, you have to restart the mythfrontend |
| [18:08:20] | Rouki: | irw is flawless. |
| [18:08:23] | Rouki: | works great |
| [18:08:30] | Rouki: | i did sphery |
| [18:08:34] | Rouki: | im in console right now |
| [18:08:35] | sphery: | Correct name is ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [18:08:44] | Rouki: | i have that file |
| [18:08:48] | sphery: | OK. |
| [18:08:49] | Rouki: | its just not execing. |
| [18:08:51] | KyleAnderson: | Does ircat spit out your buttons? |
| [18:08:53] | sphery: | Just making sure |
| [18:09:02] | Rouki: | let me check |
| [18:09:37] | Rouki: | how do i use ircat? im a noob here. lol |
| [18:09:40] | Rouki: | sry |
| [18:09:46] | janneg: | stuarta: have you seen http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/10507? mythtranscode uses only 50M after that. shame that I never got to search for leaks in mythtranscode |
| [18:10:56] | KyleAnderson: | ircat --config=./lircrc mythtv |
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| [18:11:04] | stuarta: | yeah saw that one... I'm trying to work out why the section tracker is leaking... |
| [18:11:34] | KyleAnderson: | I was in my .mythtv directory |
| [18:11:52] | KyleAnderson: | so you may have to do --config=~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [18:11:53] | Rouki: | i am too. |
| [18:11:57] | Rouki: | ok |
| [18:11:57] | sapbeast: | doesnt the frontend spit out whether its using your lircrc file? |
| [18:12:13] | sapbeast: | i remember having the same problem it was all about my lircrc file |
| [18:12:58] | Rouki: | let me check log |
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| [18:14:16] | Rouki: | nothing |
| [18:14:36] | sphery: | sapbeast: It doesn't say whether it's using the config file. |
| [18:14:44] | janneg: | stuarta: huh, it is? I don't see a big leak. is it more than a megabyte per day? |
| [18:14:47] | sphery: | However it does say if it's unable to connect to the LIRC socket... |
| [18:14:54] | sphery: | (Like lircd isn't running) |
| [18:15:34] | Rouki: | lircd is running |
| [18:15:41] | Rouki: | i see its pid in ps -aux |
| [18:15:45] | Rouki: | and when querying status |
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| [18:16:05] | sphery: | So you probably have no LIRC-related messages in your frontend log |
| [18:16:19] | KyleAnderson: | ircat will bypass mythtv and just check to see if your lircd and lircrc is working |
| [18:16:48] | Rouki: | ok so i use ircat -c=~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [18:16:50] | Rouki: | right? |
| [18:17:27] | KyleAnderson: | Notorious, --config=~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [18:17:35] | KyleAnderson: | Whoops |
| [18:18:47] | KyleAnderson: | if you are going to use -c, then no = sign |
| [18:18:54] | Rouki: | when i punch in ircat --config=~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [18:19:07] | Rouki: | then it just gives me back to console |
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| [18:19:10] | Rouki: | nothing |
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| [18:19:17] | KyleAnderson: | you are missing the "mythtv" at the end |
| [18:19:20] | Rouki: | ok |
| [18:19:45] | Rouki: | then im supposed to see console output right? |
| [18:19:49] | Rouki: | i dont see anything |
| [18:19:53] | KyleAnderson: | Press a button |
| [18:19:56] | Rouki: | i am |
| [18:20:07] | Rouki: | nothing |
| [18:20:21] | KyleAnderson: | Mine spits out the key presses |
| [18:20:36] | Rouki: | viewing my /var/log/messages, it says that is accepts a new client. |
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| [18:20:55] | KyleAnderson: | If irw spits out the codes, but ircat does not spit out buttons, there is a problem with lirc.conf or lircrc |
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| [18:21:02] | Rouki: | ok |
| [18:21:13] | Rouki: | want me to dump my conf file here? |
| [18:21:17] | KyleAnderson: | Um |
| [18:21:54] | KyleAnderson: | How about here http://xkyle.com/wiki/index.php/Lirctest |
| [18:21:57] | Rouki: | ok |
| [18:22:13] | KyleAnderson: | put your lircrc there too |
| [18:22:46] | sphery: | pastebin is another option ( http://pastebin.ca/ ) |
| [18:25:10] | KyleAnderson: | your lircd.conf looks stock, and fine |
| [18:25:15] | Rouki: | ok |
| [18:25:18] | KyleAnderson: | But how about your lircrc? |
| [18:25:22] | Rouki: | ok |
| [18:25:30] | Rouki: | let me remove wiki post, and update |
| [18:25:40] | KyleAnderson: | you can put <pre> and </pre> to make it easier to read |
| [18:26:46] | Rouki: | ok |
| [18:26:47] | KyleAnderson: | Um |
| [18:26:51] | KyleAnderson: | Really? |
| [18:27:17] | KyleAnderson: | Then you have an easy to fix problem |
| [18:27:36] | Rouki: | whats the solution oh wise one? |
| [18:27:36] | KyleAnderson: | Oh wait |
| [18:28:03] | KyleAnderson: | :) |
| [18:28:11] | KyleAnderson: | Compare your two files |
| [18:28:19] | Rouki: | what. |
| [18:28:32] | Rouki: | compare my lircrc to my conf file? |
| [18:28:37] | KyleAnderson: | lircd.conf translates codes into buttons |
| [18:28:46] | KyleAnderson: | lircrc translates buttons into keypresses |
| [18:29:00] | KyleAnderson: | But your button names don't match up between the two |
| [18:29:26] | KyleAnderson: | For instance Chanup vs. CH+ |
| [18:31:06] | KyleAnderson: | And your numbers, Nine vs. 9 |
| [18:31:12] | Rouki: | oh! |
| [18:31:13] | Rouki: | ok |
| [18:31:15] | Rouki: | i c |
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| [18:38:51] | Rouki: | thats odd |
| [18:38:57] | Rouki: | i have a .lircrc file in ~ |
| [18:39:01] | Rouki: | for the power button |
| [18:39:09] | Rouki: | but that doesn't even execute |
| [18:39:22] | Rouki: | and its referencing the correct button too. |
| [18:40:05] | Rouki: | any ideas? |
| [18:40:15] | KyleAnderson: | Mythtv doesn't reference that file, only the one in .mythtv/ |
| [18:40:33] | Rouki: | i understand, but its to quit and start mythtv from kde |
| [18:40:40] | Rouki: | when not using mythtv |
| [18:40:48] | KyleAnderson: | Oh |
| [18:41:02] | KyleAnderson: | I'm not sure how to get kde to use lirc |
| [18:41:34] | Rouki: | according to fedora[myth]ology howto it's just suppost to execute it. |
| [18:41:53] | Rouki: | http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php |
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| [18:43:17] | KyleAnderson: | are you running irexec? |
| [18:44:26] | Rouki: | #Power Button |
| [18:44:26] | Rouki: | begin |
| [18:44:26] | Rouki: | prog = irexec |
| [18:44:26] | Rouki: | button = Power |
| [18:44:26] | Rouki: | repeat = 4 |
| [18:44:27] | Rouki: | config = echo "Hello World" |
| [18:44:29] | Rouki: | end |
| [18:44:36] | KyleAnderson: | Hm |
| [18:44:59] | KyleAnderson: | I'm not sure how that would work |
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| [18:45:13] | KyleAnderson: | Where would it echo to? |
| [18:45:19] | Rouki: | console i guess |
| [18:45:52] | KyleAnderson: | But irexec has to be running to intercept the ircodes and then run the appropriate command |
| [18:46:40] | Rouki: | ok, that could be the problem. |
| [18:46:49] | Rouki: | how do i get irexec to start? |
| [18:48:16] | Rouki: | ok |
| [18:48:24] | Rouki: | irexec is not running |
| [18:48:26] | liran1: | irexec -d i believe |
| [18:48:36] | liran1: | ofcourse it will only work if you have lircd running well |
| [18:48:38] | Rouki: | thats my problem for the ~/.lircrc file |
| [18:48:44] | Rouki: | hmm. |
| [18:48:45] | Rouki: | lol |
| [18:49:06] | Fnc-1: | you dont have lircd running? |
| [18:51:25] | Fnc-1: | do this: |
| [18:51:30] | Fnc-1: | updatedb |
| [18:51:34] | Fnc-1: | then when thats done... |
| [18:51:37] | Fnc-1: | locate lirc |
| [18:51:39] | Fnc-1: | lircd |
| [18:52:14] | KyleAnderson: | I'm pretty sure Rouki has lircd running, they only thing missing is irexec |
| [18:52:28] | Rouki: | i do |
| [18:53:43] | Fnc-1: | locate irexec |
| [18:54:05] | Rouki: | /usr/bin |
| [18:54:34] | Fnc-1: | then do /usr/bin/irexec |
| [18:54:57] | KyleAnderson: | all you need to do is get it running with kde |
| [18:56:30] | Rouki: | cool!!! |
| [18:56:34] | Rouki: | its working |
| [18:56:39] | KyleAnderson: | Yay |
| [18:56:40] | Rouki: | thats alot guys :) |
| [18:56:51] | Fnc-1: | now you just need to set up a script to get it so it starts on boot |
| [18:57:00] | Rouki: | got that already |
| [18:57:09] | Rouki: | it starts / resets alsa settings, ect |
| [18:57:24] | Rouki: | hmm, now the frontend |
| [18:57:39] | Fnc-1: | what you mean got that already? |
| [18:57:42] | Rouki: | it doesn't seem to be responding to keystrokes, but i will check my 2 conf files. |
| [18:57:44] | Fnc-1: | what you do to get it working? |
| [18:58:11] | Rouki: | i followed http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php |
| [18:58:36] | Rouki: | it had a autostart sh file in ~/.kde/Auto-start |
| [18:59:19] | Fnc-1: | ok |
| [19:00:07] | Fnc-1: | you already create a conf file with irrecord? |
| [19:00:56] | KyleAnderson: | He used a stock one for his remote |
| [19:01:02] | Fnc-1: | got cha |
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| [19:08:38] | Rouki: | well just want to thank all of you, with out your help, i would be hairless and have a huge headache |
| [19:08:46] | Rouki: | thank you |
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| [19:09:18] | stuarta: | evening Juski |
| [19:09:27] | Juski: | evening stuarta |
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| [19:10:01] | Juski: | that was a rush today.. burning 100 cds in 3.5 hours :-/ |
| [19:10:14] | stuarta: | any particular reason? |
| [19:10:18] | Juski: | didnt get them all done either, but managed to at least print 100 |
| [19:10:27] | Juski: | only 2 out of 5 burners working |
| [19:10:38] | stuarta: | ah, for lugradio? |
| [19:10:40] | Juski: | finishing the rest off now |
| [19:10:43] | Juski: | aye that's it |
| [19:11:01] | Juski: | the printer only does a disc a minute |
| [19:11:15] | sapbeast: | heh i was about to ask what kind of crap duplicator is that |
| [19:11:36] | Juski: | half an hour faffing around trying to get an image onto the duplicator |
| [19:11:49] | sapbeast: | barf |
| [19:12:15] | sapbeast: | i dont think anyone knows how to use ours (the printer) |
| [19:12:19] | Juski: | I would've just left them running to finish off next week but my line manager wanted em out of the way |
| [19:12:38] | Juski: | cos he agreed to let me do them, but wasn't sure anyone else would be ok with it ;-) |
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| [19:13:48] | Juski: | anyway looks like a nice weekend in prospect.. could get all the case painting done |
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| [19:14:37] | a1fa: | yo yo yo |
| [19:14:43] | a1fa: | what was the name of the dude that wrote mythweb? |
| [19:14:45] | a1fa: | xris? |
| [19:14:47] | a1fa: | xris |
| [19:14:52] | a1fa: | yeah.. it was you.. msg me |
| [19:15:03] | Juski: | no demands or anything.. pfft |
| [19:15:23] | a1fa: | no Juski |
| [19:15:32] | a1fa: | http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=Flash_Video_Player |
| [19:15:40] | a1fa: | i know you tho guys were experimenting with this |
| [19:15:46] | a1fa: | this is great |
| [19:16:18] | xris: | a1fa: not gpl compatible |
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| [19:16:21] | a1fa: | what did nuv export migrate into on svn |
| [19:16:25] | a1fa: | xris : CCL |
| [19:16:44] | a1fa: | i want to export an mpg to nuv |
| [19:16:52] | a1fa: | err .. flv |
| [19:17:15] | xris: | a1fa: yes. open, but not gpl compatible |
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| [19:17:31] | xris: | it's restricted to non-commercial use |
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| [19:18:10] | Juski: | why's that a problem? people using myth at work? |
| [19:18:48] | a1fa: | xris : what is nuv-export called now? |
| [19:18:55] | a1fa: | i need to export something into .flv |
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| [19:19:27] | Juski: | nuvexport is still nuvexport, last time I looked |
| [19:19:50] | adamdavis: | What are some ways you can configure myth to be able to coontrol changing channels on a digital cable box? |
| [19:20:33] | xris: | adamdavis: works natively over firewire on some boxes.. or you might be able to use serial, and last option is an ir blaster |
| [19:20:43] | xris: | a1fa: nuvexport doesn't do flv. |
| [19:20:52] | xris: | ffmpeg can natively, though.. does a decent job |
| [19:20:56] | Juski: | adamdavis: with a channel changer script with serial cable, or with a channel changer script and lirc, or via firewire.. other than that you don't have many options |
| [19:21:11] | a1fa: | ffmpeg |
| [19:21:12] | a1fa: | cool |
| [19:21:26] | adamdavis: | Alright :) thanks, xris. i suppose ill try one of those. Do you know of any sites that have good information about setting up a channel changer script? |
| [19:21:31] | a1fa: | i may not have ffmpeg |
| [19:22:36] | a1fa: | //usr/local/include/mythtv/ffmpeg |
| [19:23:08] | a1fa: | apt-get |
| [19:23:09] | a1fa: | :P |
| [19:23:10] | a1fa: | wrooom |
| [19:23:33] | sapbeast: | wow finally |
| [19:23:48] | sapbeast: | i have this dual pentium pro running linux... only took 5 days :p |
| [19:23:55] | a1fa: | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| [19:23:55] | a1fa: | initrd-tools kernel-image-2.6.8-2–386 libsdl1.2debian-oss |
| [19:23:57] | a1fa: | :) |
| [19:24:01] | a1fa: | thats not good |
| [19:24:35] | xris: | adamdavis: google "losdos mythtv" for info that I used when I had dishnetwork. |
| [19:24:43] | xris: | adamdavis: what kind of cable box? |
| [19:26:19] | adamdavis: | xris: scientific atlanta 2200 |
| [19:26:50] | xris: | ahh, yeah, you'll need IR. |
| [19:26:58] | Juski: | ir blaster or bust then :) |
| [19:27:14] | xris: | might be worth seeing if they give you a motorola box if you upgrade to HD (it's worth the $10 or so to try it for a month) |
| [19:27:27] | xris: | adamdavis: irblaster.info |
| [19:27:34] | ** xris goes to eat some lunch. ** | |
| [19:27:39] | adamdavis: | alright then :) is getting IR blaster to work tricky? thanks for all the help |
| [19:27:57] | a1fa: | how long will it take ffmpeg to |
| [19:28:04] | a1fa: | convert 1gb file to flv |
| [19:28:11] | xris: | the losdos site makes it pretty easy.. there are other tutorials out there, too. |
| [19:28:16] | xris: | a1fa: 2 weeks |
| [19:29:09] | a1fa: | no way |
| [19:29:10] | xris: | a1fa: you asked the wrong question. encode time depends on resolution and bitrate of both source and target, filters applied (denoise, etc), cpu speed of the machine. |
| [19:29:22] | a1fa: | 32000+ |
| [19:29:41] | a1fa: | 400x220 |
| [19:29:42] | xris: | a1fa: it's fast enough |
| [19:29:44] | haj: | 32000+ .. thats a monster! :) |
| [19:29:46] | xris: | better than realtime |
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| [19:29:55] | xris: | anyway, food time. |
| [19:29:56] | a1fa: | no 3200+ |
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| [19:32:05] | sapbeast: | man that must have been a kick ass computer 32000+ |
| [19:33:17] | Juski: | wouldn't envy any owner of that box though |
| [19:33:21] | Juski: | imagine the heat.... ;-) |
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| [19:34:09] | sapbeast: | lets see my athlon xp 3200+ already puts out quite a bit... so it would be the equivalent of a 2500W space heater |
| [19:34:29] | sapbeast: | dry your clothes in it |
| [19:34:40] | Fnc-1: | i asked this earilier: but since a few people seem to be awake now... i have a pvr150 1042 card that im not happy with the colors... was wondering if someone could suggest a replacement? |
| [19:34:59] | Juski: | try the hue control |
| [19:35:19] | Fnc-1: | yeah did all that... still not liking it |
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| [19:35:37] | Fnc-1: | at least did what i could find on the net... |
| [19:35:37] | Juski: | you're kinda stuck then. pvr150/250/350/500 are the best cards to have to capture analogue |
| [19:35:53] | Juski: | maybe your tv out is more to blame |
| [19:36:03] | Fnc-1: | its got an lg tuner... which from what i understand kinda sucks... |
| [19:36:27] | Fnc-1: | naw, i had a leadtek 2000xp something or other before.. and it looked good... but i wanted to do audio over pci |
| [19:36:59] | Juski: | software encoding is sucky quality.. I'd classify it as 'watchable' but that's as far as I'd go |
| [19:37:40] | Mersault: | I was just checking my tv listings in mythweb (provided by datadirect), and if I go a couple of days forward I see that there are large chunks with 'NO DATA' on many channels. Interestingly, while the timeslot from 10–11 might have no data, the timeslot from 11–12 on the same channel will. Is this common? Can I expect this info to be filled in between now and then? |
| [19:37:49] | Fnc-1: | right i want hw... but what i was saying is i dont think its the input or the output |
| [19:38:00] | Fnc-1: | my fusion hd card.. looks awesome |
| [19:39:18] | Juski: | Fnc-1: just get another hd tuner then.. |
| [19:39:43] | Juski: | two of my 3 tuners are DVB-T – stunning picture & sound Q |
| [19:40:08] | Fnc-1: | want it for std cavle |
| [19:40:26] | Fnc-1: | er cable |
| [19:41:20] | a1fa: | frame= 280 q=21.8 size= 397kB time=9.3 bitrate= 348.5kbits/s |
| [19:41:22] | a1fa: | :) |
| [19:41:24] | a1fa: | its slow |
| [19:41:31] | a1fa: | averaging at 500 kbits/s |
| [19:42:02] | a1fa: | Duration: 00:35:07.9, start: 0.289367, bitrate: 5193 kb/s |
| [19:42:18] | a1fa: | i need to make a job that will ffmpeg all my shows over night so i can watch them in the morning |
| [19:42:22] | a1fa: | over the webzor |
| [19:42:25] | Juski: | Fnc-1: so you're stuck with sucky quality but otherwise nice colours, or better quality & not so good colours... the one thing to remember about myth's piccy controls I think is that the changes don't happen in realtime |
| [19:42:54] | a1fa: | Juski : too bad ffmpeg doesnt tell you time left |
| [19:43:29] | a1fa: | Stream #0.0, 29.97 fps(c): Video: flv, yuv420p, 400x220, q=2–31, 200 kb/s |
| [19:43:35] | a1fa: | i think 29 fps is a bit too much |
| [19:43:37] | Fnc-1: | Juski: hmm... yeah i was able to adjust things quite a bit, and it looks quite a bit better than default, but still im not so happy with it... |
| [19:43:43] | a1fa: | Juski : would 17 be enuff? |
| [19:44:55] | Juski: | Fnc-1: std cable is pretty crappy from what I've heard anyway, so I'd not lose any sleep.. and so is NTSC, IMHO |
| [19:45:00] | a1fa: | std? |
| [19:45:10] | a1fa: | Juski : what is a torelable FPS? |
| [19:45:57] | Juski: | a1fa: was I talking to you? I don't think so..... but a tolerable FPS would be the same as the source FPS I'd have thought :-/ |
| [19:46:03] | Fnc-1: | analog cable |
| [19:46:12] | a1fa: | Juski : damn it :) this is taking forever |
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| [19:49:20] | a1fa: | frame=27068 q=21.8 size= 22796kB time=903.2 bitrate= 206.8kbits/s |
| [19:49:33] | a1fa: | Juski : how much does this comporess, really? 1.5gb file |
| [19:49:39] | a1fa: | its allready at 22mb |
| [19:50:06] | a1fa: | 14:50:03 up 51 days, 18:16, 2 users, load average: 3.48, 3.02, 2.20 |
| [19:50:14] | a1fa: | my girlfriend is watching live tv |
| [19:50:20] | a1fa: | + its recording another channel |
| [19:50:23] | a1fa: | and i am doing ffmpeg |
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| [19:50:32] | Juski: | just be patient dammit |
| [19:50:51] | Juski: | unless you enjoy watching Lego-TV |
| [19:50:52] | a1fa: | anyway to force myth to run a separate job on that recording after its done? |
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| [19:51:08] | a1fa: | i want to webport all my recordings and move them to /var/www/video after completion |
| [19:51:33] | Juski: | heard of user jobs by any chance? |
| [19:51:48] | a1fa: | yes |
| [19:51:52] | a1fa: | but do they work on livetv? |
| [19:51:57] | a1fa: | or just recorded shows? |
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| [19:52:23] | Juski: | just recorded shows I think |
| [19:52:33] | a1fa: | gr8 :) |
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| [19:52:39] | a1fa: | juski, i missed you, really |
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| [19:59:22] | a1fa: | damn it |
| [19:59:27] | a1fa: | i copied it while it was encoding |
| [19:59:29] | a1fa: | no sound |
| [19:59:30] | a1fa: | :( |
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| [20:04:01] | a1fa: | Juski : i dont have anysound tho |
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| [20:32:38] | d3ity: | hey guys |
| [20:32:40] | d3ity: | lirc question for you |
| [20:33:01] | d3ity: | if I use a 25 pin cable (say a printer cable), will lirc still be able to use it? |
| [20:38:20] | dtm: | d3ity: a 25 pin serial cable, maybe |
| [20:39:22] | Speedy2: | d3ity: Sure, just make sure the genders are what you need. Parallel ports are typically female, and serial ports maile |
| [20:39:22] | Speedy2: | male |
| [20:40:35] | Juski: | lirc can use parallel ports too I think |
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| [20:45:22] | a1fa: | ls |
| [20:45:37] | a1fa: | echo dipshit | passwd --stdin |
| [20:45:52] | a1fa: | :) |
| [20:45:59] | a1fa: | haxXx! |
| [20:46:11] | DrMitch: | ha |
| [20:46:18] | a1fa: | it was a joke |
| [20:47:09] | DrMitch: | echo $RANDOM | passwd --stdin && clear |
| [20:47:21] | a1fa: | sounds good let me try |
| [20:47:29] | a1fa: | awwwwwwww |
| [20:47:33] | a1fa: | whats my password |
| [20:47:43] | dtm: | it's "a1fa is a moron" |
| [20:47:54] | a1fa: | dtm : stfu ;) |
| [20:48:00] | DrMitch: | sudo echo $RANDOM | passwd --stdin && clear && shutdown -r now |
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| [20:48:12] | a1fa: | DrMitch : logout |
| [20:48:25] | DrMitch: | no, cause you might have another term open |
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| [21:10:13] | Mersault: | how can I change the frame-offset used to grab a thumbnail for mytharchive? |
| [21:10:34] | Mersault: | I'm trying to burn off some shows, and it works, but it grabs a frame from the intro that's just blackscreen. |
| [21:10:55] | Mersault: | so I'd like to make it take a frame about 1 minute later so that it actually has an image to display |
| [21:15:00] | sphery: | Mersault: Time offset for thumbnail preview images on frontend settings, General section, page "View Recordings" (3, I think) |
| [21:15:40] | sphery: | but note that Myth also uses the commflag list or cutlist if you specify one to ensure it's a good frame |
| [21:15:48] | sphery: | so if you plan to do commflagging, it will probably help |
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| [21:28:39] | GeM: | any norwegians here? |
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| [21:30:07] | DrMitch: | are those the ones with hotdogs? |
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| [21:32:30] | Juski: | weren't Vikings from Norway? ;-) |
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| [21:38:33] | DrMitch: | don't be stupid. they're from iceland |
| [21:39:40] | sharkhat: | iceland is actually verynice, and greenland is actually very cold and icy |
| [21:39:52] | sharkhat: | i always suggest that they switch names, but no one listens |
| [21:39:57] | ** sharkhat is sad ** | |
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| [21:42:03] | DrMitch: | thank you mightyducks |
| [21:43:29] | dhr: | I'm struggling with my first MythTV. FC5 + Jarod's guide (roughly). I have a PVR-250. mplayer test shows that it works (i.e. ivtv and all that). mythtv just shows a black screen. The backend says: Unknown video codec |
| [21:43:50] | dhr: | Seems a bit odd when the hardware does mpeg2. |
| [21:44:28] | dhr: | It goes on to say ... "setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles". But I have a hardware codec. What gives? |
| [21:45:27] | Juski: | you know you _could) have set the card up wrongly in mythtv-setup |
| [21:45:43] | Juski: | should be set to 'mpeg encoding card' |
| [21:46:18] | dhr: | How can I tell? Is it safe to rerun that program, or will it start me from scratch again? |
| [21:46:37] | dhr: | (Thanks, Juski) |
| [21:47:00] | Juski: | stop the backend (if it's still running) then run mythtv-setup |
| [21:47:19] | Juski: | you should just have to change the type.. not anything else (if it's wrong in the 1st place) |
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| [21:50:16] | js0: | I'm having problems getting any sound on my pvr-150, I get "Error opening audio device (/dev/dsp1), the error was: Permission denied" |
| [21:50:50] | DrMitch: | ls -l /dev/dsp1 |
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| [21:51:32] | js0: | DrMitch, I chmod to 660 and I get an error saying dsp1 does not exist, yet it does |
| [21:51:43] | DrMitch: | you sure it's not dsp0 ? |
| [21:52:03] | js0: | Wouldn't that be my sound card? |
| [21:52:25] | js0: | I got no option to choose, it defaults to dsp1 |
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| [21:53:56] | dhr: | Juski: Thanks! that worked. It had thought I had a matrox card for some reason. (no doubt operator error) |
| [21:54:53] | stuarta: | successful testing :) |
| [21:55:25] | Juski: | 3 more cds to burn, then I'm done for the night |
| [21:56:02] | stuarta: | i'm happy, amd64 came up, xorg 7 worked in dual head mode. all is good |
| [21:56:14] | Juski: | ooo nice |
| [21:56:22] | js0: | Even as root I get "Error opening audio device (/dev/dsp1), the error was: No such device" |
| [21:56:37] | stuarta: | now i've just got to schedule the full upgrade |
| [21:57:03] | js0: | crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 19 May 7 2005 /dev/dsp1 |
| [21:59:03] | Juski: | ack. tooo tired. night folks |
| [21:59:14] | stuarta: | night |
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| [22:01:02] | sigger: | eh, stupid question: If I edit my XF86config-4 to improve my screen. what do I need to do to cause the changes to take effect? kill mythFE and X, then restart X and Fe? |
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| [22:07:08] | Hoxzer: | is there any way to setup set minimum movie resolution but not scale it? |
| [22:07:29] | haj: | it would be quite cool if mythvideo could handle more than one directory for videos.. i can't think i'm the only one with more than one harddisk with videos on it :) |
| [22:07:35] | Mersault: | sphery: I'd asked about time offset for thumbnail images earlier (I had to go afk for a few minutes). I've found that time offset, but is that the time offset used by mytharchive? I found the section in mythburn.py that does the thumbnail extract, but I'm not handy enough with python to comfortably make any changes. |
| [22:08:13] | sigger: | haj mount the dirs as subdirs of /myth/video? |
| [22:08:27] | haj: | sigger: yeb, i was thinking about bindmounting |
| [22:08:49] | haj: | sigger: i wonder if it would follow symlinks... |
| [22:09:14] | sigger: | dunno. any chance you know answer to my above stupid question? |
| [22:09:57] | haj: | sigger: oh.. restart X.. if you use xdm or another loginmanager, you can just do it with ctrl-alt-backspace |
| [22:10:20] | sigger: | using fluxbox courtesy of knoppmyth |
| [22:10:54] | haj: | i don't think you can do it without restarting X :) |
| [22:10:59] | sigger: | dunno if it takes that keycombo, but will try. if not can always use brute force. thanks |
| [22:11:00] | haj: | kill and start again |
| [22:11:09] | sigger: | thx. nite |
| [22:11:13] | haj: | nite |
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| [22:12:09] | haj: | it seems it does follow symlinks :) |
| [22:13:48] | haj: | that is nice :) |
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| [22:19:12] | Hoxzer: | THatt is not nice |
| [22:19:38] | Hoxzer: | I really dunno why I said that, I must be bored |
| [22:21:34] | haj: | :) |
| [22:21:40] | haj: | oh well.. bedtime |
| [22:21:48] | haj: | and tomorrow... lots of beer.. weeh :) |
| [22:21:59] | Hoxzer: | :P I woke up 22:00 o'clock |
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| [22:28:03] | [R]: | i just got a new sound blaster live! and i'm trying to get my mythtv to work with it, and its playing nice... i can't get it to record the sound from the line in patch cable, i had it working perfectly with my onboard sound, and i'm pretty sure i'm doing things the same way |
| [22:28:10] | [R]: | its not playing* |
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| [22:29:44] | Cardoe: | howdy |
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| [22:30:30] | Cardoe: | xris: around? |
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| [22:32:16] | xris: | yeah |
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| [22:51:12] | Cardoe: | xris: any reason why it tells me I've got possible conflicts for when I'm only using 1 recorder |
| [22:51:14] | Cardoe: | I have 3 |
| [22:51:23] | Cardoe: | I'm recording a show from 10 – 10:30 |
| [22:51:32] | Cardoe: | then want to record the next show on the same channel at 10:30 to 11 |
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| [22:52:48] | oblib: | I am trying to compile 0.19 with dvb support, and I can't get it to work. mythtv-setup still gives me "Recompile with DVB-Support!" |
| [22:52:57] | oblib: | anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| [22:53:06] | Agrajag-: | oblib: not compiling with dvb support |
| [22:53:46] | oblib: | ./configure --enable-dvb |
| [22:53:54] | oblib: | and in settings.pro, I have |
| [22:54:05] | oblib: | CONFIG += using_dvb |
| [22:54:05] | Agrajag-: | how about --dvb-path=something |
| [22:54:06] | stuarta: | do you have the kernel headers installed? |
| [22:54:09] | oblib: | DEFINES += USING_DVB |
| [22:54:13] | oblib: | yeah |
| [22:54:19] | oblib: | INCLUDEPATH += /home/mythtv/sources/v4l-dvb/linux/include |
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| [22:55:05] | oblib: | do I need to use --dvbpath=... instead of putting it in settings.pro? |
| [22:55:09] | Agrajag-: | when configure finishes, do you get DVB support yes [/home/mythtv/sources/v4l-dvb/linux/include] ? |
| [22:55:11] | abcde: | Any mac intel users about running with svn? |
| [22:55:21] | Agrajag-: | you shouldn't need to touch settings.pro |
| [22:55:26] | oblib: | curse old internet information... |
| [22:55:30] | oblib: | thanks |
| [22:56:06] | xris: | Cardoe: beats me. |
| [22:56:25] | Cardoe: | using 0.19 |
| [22:56:27] | Cardoe: | mythweb |
| [22:56:31] | Cardoe: | should I try fixes? |
| [22:56:43] | Cardoe: | I've been considering packaging up 0.19 fixes of mythweb for gentoo |
| [22:59:12] | xris: | Cardoe: it gets that info from the backend |
| [23:00:25] | oblib: | Is there any easy way to get the output of mythmusic normalized? |
| [23:01:20] | xris: | mute. :) |
| [23:01:33] | oblib: | har har har |
| [23:01:49] | oblib: | how about normalized to something other than 0 :p |
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| [23:02:15] | azcazandco: | hello people |
| [23:02:54] | azcazandco: | I am getting an error whilst rtying to get mythtv set up : Setting up mythtv-backend (0.18.1–5ubuntu3) ... Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| [23:03:38] | azcazandco: | any suggestions? |
| [23:04:34] | kormoc: | azcazandco, that's not really an error, the error should be right after that |
| [23:05:49] | azcazandco: | Setting up mythtv-backend (0.18.1–5ubuntu3) ... |
| [23:05:49] | azcazandco: | Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| [23:05:49] | azcazandco: | . |
| [23:06:33] | kormoc: | azcazandco, just for your info, I have that on mine and it works fine, there should be more test below it or in the log |
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| [23:06:52] | sapbeast: | yikes, the perils of a new gentoo install... xorg = pain |
| [23:08:30] | azcazandco: | kormoc, I am away to try and apt-get again |
| [23:09:00] | emja: | does ext3 have a 2Gb filesize limit? if so, I've screwed up the config of my new 400Gb HDD and now can't import DVDs |
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| [23:10:06] | emja: | i thought the filesize limit on ext2/ext3 was 8Tb |
| [23:10:25] | janneg: | xris: is Geoffrey Hausheer still active? I'm debugging mpeg2fix of mythtranscode but it's painful. |
| [23:10:29] | sapbeast: | yeah its pretty insane big currently |
| [23:10:34] | sapbeast: | 8TB is correct |
| [23:11:11] | emja: | sapbeast: thanks. so now I'm wondering why dvd importing dies after about 2.5Gb |
| [23:11:23] | xris: | janneg: he responds to emails. :) but if you're doing that, can you talk to jmusits? he dropped out of the mythexport SoC project, but wants to keep working on things on his own. |
| [23:11:32] | sapbeast: | emja: thats really strange, i have many large files on my install easily over 2gb |
| [23:11:56] | emja: | very strange |
| [23:12:09] | kormoc: | emja, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| [23:12:11] | sapbeast: | the only itme you might be limited to 2gb on ext2 is if you were using a now very ancient (2.2 or older) kernel |
| [23:12:16] | kormoc: | emja, max file size is 2 tb |
| [23:12:32] | emja: | sapbeast: nope. fresh install of FC5 |
| [23:12:37] | emja: | kormoc: thanks |
| [23:12:50] | sapbeast: | yeah so that should not be happening by a long shot |
| [23:12:53] | kormoc: | emja, really, if it was the 2 gb limit, you'd never get above 2 gb, so that points to something else |
| [23:13:07] | kormoc: | emja, it could be a dirty/bad dvd, check dmesg for disk read errors |
| [23:13:10] | sapbeast: | it might be the dvd ripper itself |
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| [23:13:15] | emja: | kormoc: multiple DVDs |
| [23:13:17] | sapbeast: | ive had issues with dvd::rip |
| [23:13:34] | sapbeast: | it never reports the correct number of sectors for the disc for some reason, and rips everythings hort |
| [23:13:38] | sapbeast: | +s |
| [23:13:42] | emja: | this same computer worked fine prior to rebuilding from knoppmyth to fc5 |
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| [23:16:25] | sapbeast: | im pretty out of the loop on redhat/fedora (and my dedicated hosting is redhet EL, i feel shameful) |
| [23:16:51] | janneg: | xris: i'm trying to fix the bugs I see occasionally while cutting dvb recordings (ticket #1948 for example) |
| [23:17:40] | xris: | janneg: that' |
| [23:17:45] | xris: | that'd be nice to fix. |
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| [23:18:53] | janneg: | so things he can probably fix faster than me since he knows the code, but nothing I need his advice for. |
| [23:19:24] | xris: | janneg: I haven't seen much development from him recently, but he's pretty good about replying to emails. |
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| [23:25:33] | janneg: | his last mail to -dev is from april. But I'll ask him if he can take a look at the broken file |
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| [23:39:08] | FunnyLookinHat: | [Ex0r], you get that system setup man? |
| [23:42:14] | abcde: | Hmm anyone using SVN on mac intel? I compiled, but playback crashes mythfrontend. |
| [23:43:09] | oblib: | any tips on getting dvb cards to work? I just finished compiling to support it, and now when I do watch TV it goes black, and then comes back to the frontend |
| [23:45:47] | Agrajag-: | check the backend and frontend logs |
| [23:46:36] | oblib: | where do I find those? |
| [23:47:17] | Agrajag-: | start mythbackend/frontend from a console. they spit out stuff, read that stuff |
| [23:47:37] | oblib: | It didn't say anything except that it couldn't do liveTV |
| [23:48:04] | Agrajag-: | what's the exact error? |
| [23:48:09] | Agrajag-: | have you setup the cards and channels? |
| [23:48:26] | oblib: | I might not have set up the channels correctly |
| [23:48:39] | oblib: | I'm trying to download dvb-tools to get atscscan |
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