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Thursday, July 13th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:11] alsoconfused: does it find the card?
[00:00:19] GeeKman: yes
[00:00:37] alsoconfused: does it show a /dev for mpg encoding?
[00:00:45] GeeKman: yep
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[00:01:09] GeeKman: /dev/video0
[00:01:26] alsoconfused: nect i'd use ivtv-tune to set a channel; then you can grab some video with a simple unix command:
[00:02:04] alsoconfused: e.g. dd if=/dev/video0 of=/tmp/test.mpg count=100000
[00:02:46] GeeKman: captures video
[00:03:01] GeeKman: was just testing when you typed that :)
[00:03:18] alsoconfused: so the card and driver work, yes?
[00:03:28] GeeKman: seems so, but no audio
[00:04:07] alsoconfused: what did it show for "hardware" when you ran ivtv-detect ?
[00:05:01] GeeKman: hardware: saa7115 msp34xx tveeprom
[00:06:05] alsoconfused: find /lib/modules|grep msp34
[00:06:50] alsoconfused: btw, which kernel do you have and which version of ivtv ?
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[00:07:50] GeeKman: 2.6.15, and not exactly sure in ivtv (knoppmyth latest version if that helps)
[00:08:08] alsoconfused: i have a rough idea
[00:08:23] alsoconfused: what were the results of the find cmd i gave?
[00:09:08] GeeKman: /lib/modules/2.6.15-chw-2/kernel/drivers/media/video/msp3400.ko
[00:09:15] GeeKman: thats it
[00:09:37] Beirdo: Blue Collar TV is pretty funny :)
[00:10:05] alsoconfused: GeeKman: find /lib/modules|grep ivtv
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[00:10:43] GeeKman: about 8 lines returned
[00:11:51] alsoconfused: GeeKman: can you post them somewhere?
[00:12:07] GeeKman: will take me a bit but yes (have to retype)
[00:12:15] alsoconfused: does audio work when playing other files?
[00:13:31] alsoconfused: GeeKman: don't bother with all the typing
[00:14:57] GeeKman: there are no other files to play right now
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[00:15:01] GeeKman: http://pastebin.ca/86546
[00:15:03] GeeKman: ;)
[00:15:12] GeeKman: ill try a cd
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[00:19:00] Hoxzer: WAIT A SEC
[00:19:05] Hoxzer: lol I shouldn't have done that
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[00:23:04] GeeKman: cd audo is working
[00:24:23] alsoconfused: GeeKman: digital, or via an analog input to the soundcard?
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[00:25:14] GeeKman: digital
[00:25:21] alsoconfused: ok, good
[00:25:29] GeeKman: didn't put analog cable on drive
[00:25:36] alsoconfused: gotcha
[00:25:45] alsoconfused: lsmod|grep msp34
[00:25:54] alsoconfused: is it there?
[00:26:38] GeeKman: looks like it
[00:27:29] alsoconfused: strings /lib/modules/2.6.15-chw-2/kernel/drivers/media/video/msp3400.ko | grep ivtv
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[00:29:13] madfactor: Is there a bug in the master_frontend that doesn't allow you to use space/enter to select a highlighted item?
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[00:30:04] netrix: where can i get a working mtd package for ubuntu?
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[00:30:39] madfactor: no1here?
[00:30:42] alsoconfused: GeeKman: with less recent kernel/ivtv, it was necessary to hide the msp3400.ko that comes with the kernel and use the one that comes with ivtv. it would seem that it's not an option in your case though.
[00:31:01] GeeKman: that last line doesn't show any thing
[00:31:28] GeeKman: wait
[00:31:43] GeeKman: i hear the audio in the test.mpg file now
[00:32:01] GeeKman: record volume is verry low though
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[00:32:33] alsoconfused: ok, as long as it's there i think we can move on to the mythtv settings
[00:32:40] GeeKman: ok
[00:32:59] alsoconfused: do you have a video source set up?
[00:33:16] madfactor: Is there a bug in the master_frontend that doesn't allow you to use space/enter to select a highlighted item?
[00:33:31] GeeKman: yes
[00:33:39] GeeKman: > alsoconfused
[00:34:59] alsoconfused: GeeKman: in the capture card setup, is the device set corretly?
[00:35:30] alsoconfused: /dev/video0 ?
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[00:35:33] GeeKman: as far as i know yes, but this is the first time i have used this card
[00:35:46] GeeKman: yes
[00:36:01] alsoconfused: GeeKman: start mythtv-setup
[00:36:09] GeeKman: in there now
[00:36:13] xris: w00t, I think I can actually make it to linuxworld.
[00:36:19] madfactor: Is there a bug in the master_frontend that doesn't allow you to use space/enter to select a highlighted item?
[00:36:28] xris: so on that note, anyone know if mythtv has a booth?
[00:36:48] alsoconfused: capture cards
[00:37:01] GeeKman: ok
[00:37:16] madfactor: can't believe out of all these people in this channel, so few people are talking!
[00:37:17] GeeKman: btw, thanks alot for your help alsoconfused
[00:37:24] alsoconfused: does it show MPEG:/dev/video0 ?
[00:37:29] alsoconfused: no prob GeeKman
[00:37:32] GeeKman: yes
[00:37:43] alsoconfused: select it
[00:38:13] alsoconfused: check the card type, device and default input == tuner 0
[00:38:55] alsoconfused: madfactor: i haven't seen the problem you describe
[00:39:16] GeeKman: card type should be "mpeg-2 encoder card (pvr-x50, pvr-500)" ?
[00:39:16] netrix: answering my own question ... mythdvd with transcode support for ubuntu: http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/22/36/
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[00:39:36] alsoconfused: GeeKman: yes
[00:39:47] GeeKman: ok then rest looks good also
[00:39:56] GeeKman: (/dev/video0, tuner 0)
[00:39:58] Hoxzer: would you guys fuck sorsa?
[00:40:13] madfactor: Is there a bug in the master_frontend that doesn't allow you to use space/enter to select a highlighted item?
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[00:40:37] alsoconfused: GeeKman: ok escape from that screen and go to input connections
[00:40:56] GeeKman: ok, tuner 0 is set to my source
[00:41:18] alsoconfused: ok, exit the setup prog
[00:41:34] GeeKman: ok
[00:41:47] alsoconfused: so you made no changes, just looked around, right?
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[00:42:21] GeeKman: i made a small chance to the input connections (the display name for tuner 0)
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[00:43:31] alsoconfused: ok, is the backend running now?
[00:43:36] GeeKman: yes
[00:43:56] alsoconfused: let's stop it and run in in a terminal with some debug options
[00:44:28] GeeKman: which options would you like? :)
[00:44:53] alsoconfused: not sure, so let's go with mythbackend -v all
[00:45:59] alsoconfused: once it's done spewing out the initial info, put some blank lines and then try to watch tv in the frontend
[00:46:02] GeeKman: ok
[00:46:33] alsoconfused: once it fails, ctrl-c the backend
[00:46:38] GeeKman: lol
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[00:46:46] GeeKman: its working now
[00:47:44] madfactor: need help
[00:48:10] alsoconfused: GeeKman: did we actually change anything?
[00:48:24] GeeKman: not that i know of
[00:48:24] alsoconfused: or did we just scare it into submission?
[00:48:32] GeeKman: seems we scared it :)
[00:48:35] GeeKman: tyvm
[00:48:50] alsoconfused: enjoy!
[00:49:17] GeeKman: need to fill the db with channel guide hehe
[00:49:27] madfactor: alsoconfused: You seem knowledgable in MythTV.
[00:50:05] alsoconfused: i think it's almost 4 years since i first tried it. been using it fulltime for the last 3
[00:50:15] madfactor: I really like it...
[00:50:36] madfactor: I am using a WinTV PVR-150 with SuSE 10.0.
[00:50:41] madfactor: The hardware works great.
[00:50:55] alsoconfused: with nvidia tv-out at 1024x768 myth looks better than live tv
[00:50:56] GeeKman: im liking it now that i have a better card then my old winfast 2000 xp hehe
[00:51:05] madfactor: I have video, sound, recording, playback etc.
[00:51:28] alsoconfused: the video database is nice too
[00:53:00] madfactor: I can't to advanced configuration on my frontend tho.
[00:53:45] madfactor: Because everytime I hit the space/enter keys... over a "radio" box item, it sends me to the next configuration page instead of selecting the option.
[00:54:22] alsoconfused: madfactor: use tab
[00:55:21] madfactor: I do, I use tab to highlight the item I want to select... then I try to hit spacebar to activate the radio button, but the configuration screen goes to the next page instead of selecting.
[00:55:40] alsoconfused: use left/right arrow to select/deselect
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[00:56:55] alsoconfused: madfactor: a very handy bookmark: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1
[00:57:16] madfactor: Hmmm... that does appear to be working... even tho there are no checkmarks/indications appearing in the radio boxes.
[00:57:40] alsoconfused: doesn't sound right at all
[00:57:53] madfactor: Right: Space/Enter take action on the item under the highlight point
[00:58:07] madfactor: That is where I got that. (hehe) Right out of the HOWTO.
[00:58:26] madfactor: I read all documentation before I installed it. That is why I am here.  :)
[00:59:08] madfactor: 0.19 compile that I am running now... doesn't behave in the fashion described in the HOWTO.
[01:00:21] madfactor: All video functions are working great as can be... just can't navigate the menus correctly for some reason. I wanted to might a possible solution before configuring my remote, since it only works by keyboard emluation anyway.
[01:00:33] madfactor: emulation I mean.
[01:00:58] alsoconfused: madfactor: the "keyboard commands" section doesn't seem to apply to the setup :-(
[01:01:01] alsoconfused: it's not an hauppage remote?
[01:02:01] madfactor: It is.
[01:02:20] madfactor: The one that comes with the PVR-150 package.
[01:04:42] alsoconfused: madfactor: i think you'll find that it works just fine
[01:05:33] madfactor: Without configuration?
[01:05:42] madfactor: Just plug it in and go?
[01:06:07] alsoconfused: with the standard config i mean.
[01:06:40] GeeKman: is there an easy way to set the timezone info?
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[01:07:01] Dagmar: GeeKman: Your distribution should have let you do that when you first installed it
[01:07:27] alsoconfused: /etc/sysconfig/clock ?
[01:08:00] GeeKman: i know it does, but had a friend go through some of that, he may have missed it :/
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[01:08:22] Dagmar: So make your friend fix it
[01:08:34] GeeKman: lol
[01:08:42] GeeKman: he is even worse off then i am
[01:08:43] Dagmar: Or just smack him a good one for not having the senses to sest the timezone properly when it asked
[01:09:34] alsoconfused: GeeKman: make sure you run ntpd so that recording starts/ends at the right time
[01:09:54] Dagmar: alsoconfused: ntpd isn't going to do him much good until the machine knows what timezone it is in
[01:10:07] GeeKman: hehe
[01:10:15] alsoconfused: i'm always one step beyond ;-P
[01:10:30] GeeKman: im guessing it can be set with the date command but cant seem to do it :/
[01:10:33] Dagmar: Nope.
[01:10:36] Dagmar: What distro is this?
[01:10:45] GeeKman: knoppix
[01:10:56] GeeKman: the knoppmyth disk
[01:11:08] Dagmar: So boot it back up and answer it's questions again
[01:11:20] GeeKman: its not the live cd
[01:11:29] GeeKman: i will have to reinstall completely
[01:11:46] Dagmar: Try #knopmyth
[01:11:52] Dagmar: er #knoppmyth
[01:12:24] Dagmar: It's not like it takes a terrible lot of time to copy <600Mb of stuff
[01:12:36] GeeKman: i know
[01:12:40] GreyFoxx: jk
[01:12:45] GreyFoxx: m
[01:12:59] GeeKman: i dunno, ill just redo it :)
[01:13:09] Dagmar: They need to suffer some for offering that option without really thinking it through
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[01:13:22] GeeKman: hehe
[01:16:41] alsoconfused: GeeKman: don't reinstall.
[01:18:04] alsoconfused: there's probably a timezone file in /usr/share/zoneinfo that can be copied or linked to /etc/localtime
[01:20:04] madfactor: alsoconfused: I have the remote installed... is there something special I need to do?
[01:20:47] alsoconfused: madfactor: get the correct /etc/lircd.conf and /home/<username>/.mythtv/lircrc files
[01:21:58] madfactor: Hmmm.
[01:22:22] alsoconfused: maybe this one http://www.pjd.nu/lirc/lircd_pvr150.conf
[01:22:49] alsoconfused: and this one: http://web.mit.edu/vbrunini/Public/lircrc
[01:23:00] madfactor: OH K... MythTV docs didn't mention anything special for the hauppauge cards.
[01:23:15] GeeKman: >.<
[01:23:20] GeeKman: too late :)
[01:24:15] Hoxzer: is there somebody who uses gf2 and mplayer?
[01:24:48] alsoconfused: i used to, gf4 now
[01:25:04] Hoxzer: I just cannot find reasonable way to adjust mplayer stream size
[01:25:11] madfactor: OH K... I follow you.
[01:25:18] Hoxzer: alsoconfused: well, how did you configure mplayer stream size?
[01:25:36] alsoconfused: not sure what you mean
[01:25:45] alsoconfused: buffer size?
[01:26:01] Hoxzer: alsoconfused: :P not actually like you have to resize gui size for mythtv
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[01:26:31] alsoconfused: Hoxzer: you lost me
[01:26:48] Hoxzer: alsoconfused: god damn I find this hard to tell :E
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[01:27:08] alsoconfused: Hoxzer: what is the symptom you're trying to cure?
[01:27:11] Hoxzer: alsoconfused: as you know that you have to use nvtv to enable overscan with gf2?
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[01:27:41] Hoxzer: alsoconfused: well, part of the video is not shown because of the size of the overscan
[01:27:41] madfactor: alsoconfused: so, I just copy and paste the contents of that .conf to the lirc.conf file?
[01:28:12] Hoxzer: so I have to make this video screen smaller
[01:28:17] Hoxzer: get the point?
[01:28:22] alsoconfused: madfactor: the first one lives at /etc/lircd.conf
[01:28:51] Hoxzer: alsoconfused: ? do you get the point?
[01:28:54] alsoconfused: the other goes in the .mythtv directory of the user running the frontend e.g. /home/madfactor/.mythtv/lircrc
[01:28:55] Hoxzer: ¿
[01:29:17] alsoconfused: Hoxzer: i always run mplayer in fullscreen
[01:29:35] alsoconfused: as i recall, the overscan with gf2 was less than ideal
[01:29:36] madfactor: Do I have to restart both the backend and the frontend?
[01:29:45] Hoxzer: alsoconfused: god damn, no help from you then :P
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[01:30:07] alsoconfused: madfactor: just the frontend
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[01:31:34] alsoconfused: Hoxzer: put something like vf=scale=640:480 in /home/hoxzer/.mplayer/config
[01:31:35] alsoconfused: check the manpage for mplayer for exact syntax
[01:32:10] Hoxzer: well, I know the syntax
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[01:32:19] Hoxzer: it just doens't work like it is suposed to
[01:32:52] alsoconfused: Hoxzer: which video driver (-vo) are you using?
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[01:33:14] Hoxzer: alsoconfused: well, default one
[01:33:23] Hoxzer: I dont define it xv I think
[01:33:37] Hoxzer: I tried -vo xv seems to have same problem
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[01:34:21] alsoconfused: did you try with -zoom
[01:34:39] Hoxzer: yes but you didn't even ask what syntax do I use
[01:34:51] Hoxzer: You see I dont really know if this is the best way to do this
[01:35:37] Hoxzer: panscan would be cool but it cannot be done negatively
[01:36:35] Hoxzer: "mplayer -geometry 32:2 -vf dsize=712:543:0,expan=:490:::: file.avi
[01:36:43] Hoxzer: *expan=expand
[01:37:14] Hoxzer: but geometry seems not to work fine
[01:37:44] alsoconfused: Hoxzer: i thing geometry only works with -vo x11
[01:38:02] Hoxzer: :o
[01:38:09] Hoxzer: well it seems to work if y = 2
[01:38:33] alsoconfused: hmm, it claims to work with -vo xv. lemme try
[01:38:41] Hoxzer: but if it gets lower than that it x will not work really and window will spawn randomly on the screen
[01:39:20] Hoxzer: but x I mean that which value is 32
[01:39:25] Hoxzer: *but = by
[01:40:55] madfactor: alsoconfused: I keep getting, no device found
[01:41:05] alsoconfused: hang on madfactor
[01:42:07] alsoconfused: Hoxzer: this worked for me: mplayer -nofs -vo xv -zoom -display :0.1 -geometry 640x480+100+10
[01:43:35] alsoconfused: madfactor: lsmod|grep lirc
[01:44:08] alsoconfused: madfactor: the error is when starting lircd?
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[01:46:40] madfactor: Ohhh... the module may have never been loaded... I didn't have the cabling installed during install?
[01:47:07] alsoconfused: which cable, IR?
[01:47:14] madfactor: Yes.
[01:47:24] alsoconfused: i don't think that would prevent module from loading
[01:48:41] madfactor: That is it... the module isn't loaded.
[01:48:54] madfactor: insmod
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[01:49:51] madfactor: I am assuming now, that the ivtv source compile module, doesn't come with the .ko for lirc.
[01:50:14] madfactor: lircd in most distros only work with serial IR inferfaces, right?
[01:50:16] alsoconfused: madfactor: you will need lirc_i2c and lirc_dev
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[01:50:59] madfactor: So... I need to uninstall the distro installed lirc, and compile one from scratch?
[01:51:15] madfactor: Just like the ivtv driver?
[01:51:48] alsoconfused: madfactor: did you try modprobe lirc_i2c; modprobe lirc_dev  ?
[01:52:00] madfactor: No... I'll do that tho.
[01:52:19] alsoconfused: gotta run for about 10 minutes
[01:52:28] madfactor: dev is there, l2c isn't.
[01:53:01] madfactor: Take that back, they are both there.
[01:53:02] madfactor: :)
[01:53:24] strgout: i'm looking through the mailing list but i'm not finding what i'm looking for. Can i use my pvr-250 via tuner to get basic cable without a cable box?
[01:56:39] strgout: oh... never mind
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[02:00:22] madfactor: Jul 12 19:52:47 linux kernel: lirc_i2c: chip found @ 0x71 (Hauppauge IR (PVR150))
[02:00:23] madfactor: Jul 12 19:52:47 linux kernel: ivtv0: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=Hauppauge IR (PVR150), addr=71]
[02:00:24] madfactor: Jul 12 19:52:47 linux kernel: lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 10
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[02:06:54] alsoconfused: madfactor: does it work yet?
[02:08:38] madfactor: Well... the kernel modules are loading...
[02:09:01] alsoconfused: will lircd start?
[02:09:04] madfactor: But, there appears to be three different places that mythtv might be expecting the lircrc file.
[02:09:10] madfactor: Yes.... lircd is running.
[02:09:15] madfactor: after the modprode
[02:09:48] alsoconfused: madfactor: good, run irw and try pushing buttons on the remote
[02:12:48] madfactor: Naw... nothing from irw
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[02:13:42] madfactor: I dunno.
[02:14:03] AngryElf: hey everyone
[02:14:07] madfactor: The kernel modules are loaded, lircd is running, but nothing.
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[02:14:25] alsoconfused: madfactor: can you pastebin the output of lsof -c lirc
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[02:15:40] madfactor: pm?
[02:16:23] alsoconfused: sure
[02:16:47] madfactor: I am blocked now.
[02:17:02] alsoconfused: blocked?
[02:17:29] madfactor: private message, I'm not uregged on freenode.
[02:17:50] madfactor: It detected a flood when I tried to paste it.
[02:18:03] madfactor: The ircd server that is.
[02:18:25] alsoconfused: put it at pastebin.ca or similar ?
[02:20:06] madfactor: K.
[02:20:45] madfactor: What to do?
[02:21:32] alsoconfused: give me the output of /usr/sbin/lsof -c lirc
[02:21:38] FunnyLookinHat: Does anyone know who built the mythTV ubuntu packages that are referenced in the beird0 faq?
[02:21:56] madfactor: Where to send it?
[02:22:13] alsoconfused: http://pastebin.ca
[02:23:49] madfactor: http://pastebin.ca/86632
[02:24:34] alsoconfused: grep 61 /proc/devices
[02:25:53] madfactor: lsof -c lirc | grep 61 /proc/devices
[02:26:16] alsoconfused: no, just grep 61 /proc/devices
[02:26:28] madfactor: I did that... nothing came up.
[02:26:41] alsoconfused: try grep 60 /proc/devices
[02:27:26] madfactor: 60 BaseRemoteCtl
[02:27:32] alsoconfused: okay
[02:27:48] madfactor: It might be the equipment at this point.
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[02:29:33] alsoconfused: madfactor: try irw /var/run/lirc/lircd
[02:30:33] madfactor: Naw... unless it is in a different place.
[02:30:56] alsoconfused: what happened when you tried that?
[02:31:03] madfactor: Nothing.
[02:31:14] madfactor: What is it supposed to do?
[02:31:21] alsoconfused: did it return immediately, or just sit there?
[02:31:27] madfactor: sit there.
[02:31:45] alsoconfused: at that point, aim the remote at the receiver and press some buttons
[02:32:13] madfactor: I did... nothing happened.
[02:32:48] alsoconfused: see if there are any messages in /var/log/lircd
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[02:33:42] madfactor: Jul 12 22:28:31 pvr-d lircd 0.7.1: accepted new client on /var/run/lirc/lircd
[02:33:42] madfactor: Jul 12 22:29:54 pvr-d lircd 0.7.1: removed client
[02:33:42] madfactor: Jul 12 22:30:12 pvr-d lircd 0.7.1: accepted new client on /var/run/lirc/lircd
[02:33:43] madfactor: Jul 12 22:32:55 pvr-d lircd 0.7.1: removed client
[02:33:43] madfactor: Jul 12 22:32:57 pvr-d lircd 0.7.1: accepted new client on /var/run/lirc/lircd
[02:33:44] madfactor:
[02:33:56] alsoconfused: confirm that the receiver is connected correctly and that the remote has good batteries :)
[02:34:13] madfactor: Done.
[02:35:38] madfactor: I dunno...
[02:36:12] dhr: I'm trying, for the first time, to run MythTV (Fedora Core 5, Jarod's guide (sort of)). Problem: frontend wont do things like show me live TV or a channel lineup. It looks to me as if the frontend cannot talk to the backend. Here's an example from the frontend log: 2006-07–11 16:01:29.432 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.
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[02:36:50] JDStone: has anyone used MythTV with a DirecTV receiver?
[02:36:52] madfactor: What is the output of irw supposed to be?
[02:37:08] dhr: backend is running. What do you think might be going wrong and why?
[02:37:22] JDStone: madfactor: depending on the buttons pushed from your remote, it should be the button you pushed
[02:37:25] alsoconfused: madfactor: it should show the ir codes and button names
[02:37:27] JDStone: does that make sense
[02:37:36] JDStone: exactly, what alsoconfused said
[02:37:56] madfactor: Ohhhh.
[02:38:01] alsoconfused: madfactor: check /etc/lircd.conf
[02:38:15] alsoconfused: maybe you mixed up the two config files?
[02:38:46] JDStone: alsoconfused: do you know anyone that has had experience with Myth and a DirecTV receiver?
[02:38:57] alsoconfused: sorry, no
[02:39:20] dhr: Here is the complete mythbackend log: http://pastebin.ca/86642
[02:39:34] JDStone: ok, thanks alsoconfused. I'm just trying to get a response from someone
[02:39:49] JDStone: is there a myth mailing list?
[02:40:20] alsoconfused: dunno
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[02:40:36] jedix: what is the key to toggle interlaced?
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[02:41:49] madfactor: I am getting codes from irw now.
[02:41:59] alsoconfused: what did you change?
[02:42:42] madfactor: I didn't rename the pvr150 .conf from the site... I was using the one that came with mythtv
[02:42:49] madfactor: in the source /configfiles
[02:43:01] alsoconfused: ok
[02:43:10] madfactor: I am getting codes... but no action in mythtv
[02:43:47] dhr: JDStone: http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users/
[02:44:05] madfactor: I have the lircrc file in three locations (laugh) ~/.mythtv/lircrc ~/_mythtv/lircrc ~/.lircrc
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[02:46:25] alsoconfused: madfactor: the one i showed you should be at ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[02:46:37] madfactor: Thanks a million man!
[02:46:51] alsoconfused: does it work>
[02:46:53] alsoconfused: ?
[02:46:56] madfactor: YES!!
[02:46:57] madfactor: :)
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[02:47:23] alsoconfused: madfactor: lirc was the hardest thing for me to get working.
[02:47:41] madfactor: It isn't very intuitive, that is for sure.
[02:48:13] madfactor: But, 95% of all linux boxes aren't even designed with any interfaces except tty and ssh.
[02:48:37] madfactor: I have three in my computer that don't even have keyboards/mice/monitors.
[02:48:41] madfactor: laugh
[02:49:20] alsoconfused: i hope you have a teletype on the console port :)
[02:49:56] alsoconfused: send linus a kernel panic on punched paper tape
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[02:55:15] d3ity: hey all
[02:55:24] d3ity: I need a lirc expert
[02:55:28] d3ity: any of those around?
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[02:55:42] alsoconfused: i'm 2/2 today on lirc help
[02:55:54] d3ity: alsoconfused, sweet, cause you're gonna help me build a reciever.
[02:56:22] alsoconfused: sorry that's a hardware problem
[02:56:37] alsoconfused: do you have a remote controlled soldering iron?
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[02:56:51] d3ity: ever built one before? or had any experience with building any similar components?
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[02:57:17] alsoconfused: i've put together some simple circuits
[02:57:22] d3ity: i've got all the parts sitting in front of me, I'd just like some help connecting them all in some sort of cohesive order that would produce something lirc could use.
[02:57:25] alsoconfused: never an ir receiver
[02:57:43] alsoconfused: you have a schematic?
[02:57:48] d3ity: aye, well. could you help me figure a few general questions out?
[02:57:52] d3ity: yeah, heres what i'm using.
[02:58:05] d3ity: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Homebrew . . . ciever_parts
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[02:58:35] d3ity: and heres what i'm working off of
[02:58:36] d3ity: http://www.lirc.org/images/schematics.gif
[02:59:02] d3ity: now theres a few things I dont understand. I see how basically to place components on this board
[02:59:09] alsoconfused: ok
[02:59:16] d3ity: but... how do you connect them? just cram two leads into the same hole and solder to taste?
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[02:59:34] d3ity: that doesn't seem quite right to me
[02:59:46] alsoconfused: you have a piece of perfboard?
[02:59:53] d3ity: yes
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[03:00:22] alsoconfused: i'd put one lead/hole and solder them together on the bottom
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[03:00:43] d3ity: alsoconfused, so one lead per hole
[03:00:58] alsoconfused: yes
[03:00:59] d3ity: this sounds good. but connecting them is the question
[03:01:11] d3ity: do I just sorta lay a bead of solder connecting two adjacent holes?
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[03:02:49] alsoconfused: bend the leads on the bottom so that they touch and solder. use a heatsink on transistors and ics
[03:03:09] d3ity: would I need the heatsink on the IR reciever?
[03:03:37] alsoconfused: the heatsink is to prevent heat from the soldering iron damaging the component
[03:03:55] d3ity: right
[03:04:00] alsoconfused: if you work quickly with a good iron you probably don't need to worry about it.
[03:04:23] alsoconfused: but if you hold the iron there for too long it can fry the part
[03:04:29] d3ity: right
[03:04:36] alsoconfused: start with the cheap parts
[03:04:51] d3ity: now, as far as the schematic.... I'm slightly clueless as to where to begin laying stuff out and what to connect
[03:04:51] madfactor: confuse: would there be a reason that programs recorded with the scheduler wouldn't show up in media library?
[03:05:42] alsoconfused: ya mean "watch recordings" ?
[03:05:54] madfactor: Yes..
[03:07:01] alsoconfused: are you running the frontend as the same user as the backend?
[03:07:03] DrMitch: is it possible to use myth watch tv on a tuner card and use another program to watch the S-VIDEO in from the same card?
[03:07:14] d3ity: alsoconfused, for a capacator, the shorter lead is negative correct?
[03:07:30] GreyFoxx: DrMitch: Not at the same time
[03:07:39] GreyFoxx: Unless it's a PVR500 or something
[03:07:41] madfactor: Yes.
[03:07:45] DrMitch: alright
[03:07:53] alsoconfused: d3ity: not sure. electrolytics have a marking on the side of the can
[03:07:58] DrMitch: will you buy me a pvr500 ?
[03:08:00] madfactor: confuse: Yes.
[03:08:11] GreyFoxx: DrMitch: Not gonna happen :)
[03:08:19] DrMitch: shucks
[03:08:20] alsoconfused: madfactor: thinking...
[03:08:26] JDStone: thanks dhr
[03:08:29] d3ity: alsoconfused, so that marking designates positive?
[03:09:14] alsoconfused: it's not marked – or + ?
[03:10:15] Russ: does anyone know how QAM decryption works (assuming one has the key)?
[03:10:18] d3ity: it's got a black vertical stripe on one side that has some sort of marking above and below it, looks sorta like a 0
[03:10:36] GreyFoxx: Russ:I've never seen any documents or apps that do it
[03:11:05] alsoconfused: d3ity: the one i'm looking at has a row of +++++
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[03:11:25] Quan: QAM?
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[03:12:31] Russ: GreyFoxx: hmm...because it may be possible to obtain the keys via a docsis modem if you give the mac address off the docsis modem as your settop boxes mac address to your provider
[03:12:40] GreyFoxx: Quan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAM
[03:13:06] GreyFoxx: Russ: No, the DOCSIS cable modems have absolutely NOTHING To do with the encryption scheme used for video
[03:13:10] Quan: yeah I thought it was a way to multiplex, didn't realize it was encryption
[03:13:12] GreyFoxx: they are 100% seperate systems
[03:13:18] Russ: I know
[03:13:27] Russ: how do you think the A/B/C buttons on the remote work
[03:13:36] Russ: and look at the bottom of your cable box, it has a MAC address
[03:13:43] GreyFoxx: Russ: I'm aware of this
[03:13:45] alsoconfused: madfactor: are you able to locate the recording in the storage directory?
[03:13:47] Russ: check inside, bet you'll see two tuners
[03:13:53] GreyFoxx: *sigh*
[03:13:59] Russ: one for receiving QAM, etc, and the other a DOCSIS
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[03:14:29] Goose-BA: how can i make mythtv start automatically when the computer starts. im using xfce
[03:14:40] GreyFoxx: Russ: The DOCSIS device knows nothing about any TV encryption schemes, just like the video knows nothing about the Cable modem encryption
[03:14:47] Russ: I realize that
[03:15:04] GreyFoxx: So why would you think you could use a docsis cable modem to find out the Keys for the TV encryption ?
[03:15:05] Quan: Goose-BA: you can try adding it to ~/.xinitrc
[03:15:09] Russ: but it would provide a sideband connection to a privite IP network with the server that gives keys
[03:15:26] GreyFoxx: Russ: That assumes a lot of stuff
[03:15:45] madfactor: confuse: they didn't show up until I restarted the frontend?
[03:15:56] madfactor: Yes... the mpg files are there.
[03:15:57] Russ: if you want to have fun, get an extra cable modem, and then tell your provider your have a new cable box
[03:16:12] Russ: give them the MAC off the cable modem and see if it DHCP's onto another network
[03:16:29] GreyFoxx: Russ: It 100% depends on the technology they are using
[03:16:29] alsoconfused: madfactor: if you restart the backend, sometimes you must also restart the frontend
[03:16:34] Russ: anyway, if obtaining keys is useless, then it is a futile effort
[03:16:39] GreyFoxx: Notall STB's use an IP based protocol
[03:16:47] Russ: you'd need a way to decrypt the QAM signal with the provided keys
[03:16:53] Quan: Goose-BA: or try this: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Autostart_Programs
[03:17:05] madfactor: No... I didn't restart the backend, just the fronend.
[03:17:06] joam: hey. im having a problem with mythTV and was wondering if you guys could help. Im using a PVR-150 card, and when i scan for channels Myth only detectes 1–13, and the rest come up as static.
[03:17:08] madfactor: No... I didn't restart the backend, just the frontend.
[03:17:51] alsoconfused: madfactor: i can't explain it. the programs should appear almost immediately
[03:18:25] alsoconfused: you might figure it out by running the frontend and/or backend with the -v flag
[03:21:29] alsoconfused: joam: you probably have the channel table set wrong
[03:21:43] Goose-BA: Quan: im using slackware
[03:21:45] madfactor: OH K... it might be a bug in my version.
[03:22:04] Quan: Goose-BA: shouldn't matter, that's where XFCE looks for startup scripts
[03:22:06] madfactor: There isn't much information for MythTV on SuSE 10 anyway.
[03:22:18] madfactor: Thanks for your help Confuse.  :)
[03:22:19] joam: alsconfused: do you know of any page that has information about setting the channel table correctly?
[03:22:20] alsoconfused: which version of myth?
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[03:22:39] Goose-BA: Quan but then how do i autostart xfce
[03:22:42] alsoconfused: joam: is it cable tv?
[03:22:46] joam: Yes
[03:22:57] alsoconfused: which country?
[03:23:00] joam: USA
[03:23:04] Quan: Goose-BA: do you boot to init 5?
[03:23:20] Goose-BA: no clue
[03:23:36] Quan: Goose-BA: does it boot to a graphical login or a text console?
[03:23:46] alsoconfused: joam: joam you probably want us-cable-hrc
[03:23:47] Goose-BA: text console
[03:24:06] Russ: GreyFoxx: further evidence would be the bypass port on a 3250HD
[03:24:13] joam: alsoconfused: Ok ill try that, thanks.
[03:24:35] Quan: Goose-BA: that's probably a better question for the slackware channel
[03:25:05] Russ: GreyFoxx: and the datasheet "Integrated DAVIC Cable Modem"
[03:25:33] alsoconfused: joam: the default is under mythtv-setup->general but each video source can override it
[03:25:50] Quan: Goose-BA: I haven't used slack in years, but the first thing you'll need to do is set the systemm to boot to runlevel 5 (set id:3:initdefault: to id:5:initdefault: in /etc/inittab)
[03:25:57] d3ity: alsoconfused, which end is positive on a resistor? know by chance?
[03:26:09] alsoconfused: d3ity: doesn't matter
[03:26:17] Russ: "Allows IP-based, real-time two-way communication between the 3250HD and the headend"
[03:26:21] Quan: Goose-BA: that'll boot you to the graphical login screen, then you need to figure out how to make it auto-login a user
[03:26:25] d3ity: alsoconfused, good
[03:28:40] Quan: Goose-BA: here you go http://www.markcarter.me.uk/computing/sliosk.html
[03:28:47] Russ: so no, docsis does not work
[03:28:52] Russ: you'd need a davic
[03:30:13] Russ: http://www.scientificatlanta.com/products/cus . . . VIC-Boot.htm
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[03:31:35] Russ: "DNCS Carousel"
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[03:33:17] Russ: ah, sweet
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[03:33:30] Russ: looks like newer headend software also supports docsis
[03:33:39] madfactor: confuse: is there anyway to get the guide fonts larger?
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[03:36:32] Russ: http://www.scientificatlanta.com/products/cus . . . l/page_4.htm
[03:36:39] Russ: there's your proof GreyFoxx
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[03:39:11] jedix: how do I turn of constant recording?
[03:39:22] jedix: tunr off even
[03:40:31] alsoconfused: madfactor: setup->appearance->font size, but i'm not sure what else it affects
[03:41:01] alsoconfused: i've also seen a setting for how many rows of guide data per screen
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[03:43:28] alsoconfused: madfactor: setup->tv settings->program guide->channels to display
[03:44:30] b^j: so, i am having the worst time getting x configured to work on my tv, can anyone share an xorg.conf file they got working on an older TV?
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[03:51:37] mishehu: b^j: tv's are a bitch.
[03:51:45] mishehu: at least older ones
[03:51:50] mishehu: their resolutions suck.
[03:51:52] b^j: mishehu: yes they are
[03:52:09] mishehu: it partially has to do with your vidcard drivers
[03:52:18] mishehu: as to how painful it is to get to work on a tv.
[03:52:52] b^j: i had it working with nvtv but i had a blue bar in the center of my screen that someone here claimed was probably related to that
[03:53:26] b^j: and now my X is all goofed up and i am having trouble getting it to work at all
[03:54:03] b^j: the console/boot res displays fine but even at 640x480 X is not centered or scaled
[03:54:23] mishehu: mine comes up slightly off center
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[03:54:33] mishehu: I have an ati though, so getting mine to work is different
[03:54:40] b^j: mine is like 5–10% off center
[03:55:11] Dagmar: That would have been me "claiming" that
[03:55:19] b^j: does anyone know what i have to specify in xorg.conf to get it to use the res of the default vga console
[03:55:27] b^j: ahh yeah Dagmar thats right
[03:55:47] Dagmar: You're not even framing the question right.
[03:55:54] Dagmar: You can't tell X to use the res anything else does.
[03:56:18] Dagmar: You tell X what resolutions and refresh rates you find acceptable, and you can pick the color depth.
[03:56:21] SlicerDicer-: anybody having issues witth datadirect?
[03:56:22] Dagmar: It will do the best it can.
[03:57:03] d3ity: alsoconfused, meh, well, I suppose I'll just buy one from someone who knows what they're doing, mine didn't go all that well
[03:57:29] alsoconfused: trouble soldering?
[03:57:35] b^j: well, vga console looks fine, and nvtv's 640x480 looked great other then the blue line.
[03:57:52] Dagmar: ...as far as what comes out the composite port on a card that needs nvtv is concerned, is entirely up to ntvt
[03:58:00] Dagmar: s/ntvt/nvtv/;
[03:58:11] b^j: every refresh i have found online has the image scaled and skewed oddly
[03:58:21] Dagmar: Buy better hardware/
[03:58:45] Dagmar: The refresh rates on a *television* are fixed.
[03:58:48] Dagmar: You don't get to just pick some.
[03:59:10] mishehu: if a new hdtv that was a decent size wasn't so damn expensive, I'd have one myself ;-)
[03:59:25] d3ity: alsoconfused, soldering, plus bieng able to keep the connections straight
[03:59:59] ** mishehu tangles up all of d3ity's media cables. **
[04:00:03] mishehu: HAH!
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[04:01:31] mishehu: did anybody catch if Quan was a Kzer-Za or a Kohr-Ah ?
[04:01:50] b^j: Dagmar: i assumed that nvtv was setting the refresh/res to what it needs to be to display right and if i knew what that was i could get X to do it. is that incorrect?
[04:02:10] d3ity: mishehu, I don't think you could have done any more damage, my cable management strategy generally resembles most pasta anyway
[04:02:21] mishehu: d3ity: sauce and all?
[04:02:31] d3ity: mishehu, my box is watercooled...so...you could say that
[04:02:48] d3ity: now
[04:02:55] mishehu: b^j: X selects from the list of resolutions/frequencies you give it what works...
[04:03:09] d3ity: where might i find an lirc reciever, as cheap as possible please, I'm a college student with absoultley no money
[04:04:09] b^j: mishehu: i am trying to figure out what to give it. that is my problem.
[04:05:10] ** mishehu points d3ity in that there direction **
[04:05:24] mishehu: so you can afford the water cooling but not the lirc receiver
[04:05:37] Goose-BA: now to figure out how to autologin xfce
[04:05:56] mishehu: I can afford an lirc receiver and an sblive audigy remote... but I cannot get them to work on the same machine simultaneously
[04:08:17] d3ity: mishehu, the watercooling was bought back in the high school days
[04:08:35] d3ity: i've got a watercooled athlon xp 2800+, it's no longer all that impressive
[04:10:44] b^j: so will buying a new video card fix my tv problems?
[04:10:49] d3ity: mishehu, that was before I needed to work three jobs to pay college tuition
[04:11:04] d3ity: b^j, configure your x-server already.
[04:11:20] b^j: d3ity: i'm trying, i'm trying
[04:11:31] b^j: been trying in my free time for 3 days
[04:11:42] b^j: unfortunatly i have very little free time
[04:11:59] d3ity: b^j, it's not rocket surgery. xorgconfig
[04:12:08] d3ity: if you have the nvidia drivers
[04:12:14] d3ity: they come with a similar utility
[04:12:29] d3ity: that spits out a config file that supports the nvidia drivers
[04:12:39] b^j: the nvidia drivers make my tv not work at all
[04:12:51] d3ity: b^j, whats the error
[04:12:56] b^j: none
[04:12:56] mishehu: d3ity: I'm waiting to win the lottery to continue my college education...
[04:13:05] d3ity: mishehu, yeah, it's mad expensive.
[04:13:12] d3ity: mishehu, where were you going to school?
[04:13:23] mishehu: d3ity: I just finished my AS
[04:13:24] b^j: but the tv acts like it doesn't see svideo when i use the nvidia drivers
[04:13:32] d3ity: mishehu, ah, cool, where at?
[04:13:35] mishehu: d3ity: so I've not yet gone anywhere mad expensive yet.
[04:13:40] d3ity: mishehu, ah.
[04:13:50] mishehu: d3ity: just a local community college
[04:13:55] mishehu: I run a small biz
[04:14:09] mishehu: so going to classes is often a waste of my time.
[04:14:23] d3ity: mishehu, I'm trying to pay penn state for that edumacation thing, and well... I could have bought two new cars by now
[04:14:24] Goose-BA: mishehu: what kind of business
[04:14:45] d3ity: mishehu, if that kind of business is producing lirc recievers, i'll take a slice
[04:15:21] mishehu: Goose-BA: network technician/engineering work, and some software development
[04:15:29] mishehu: c++ and php
[04:15:39] d3ity: mishehu, ah, cool.
[04:15:44] mishehu: d3ity: nah, I bought an irblaster for something like what, $10 ?
[04:15:46] d3ity: mishehu, I'm in comp sci right now
[04:15:51] mishehu: I forgot how much that guy charges.
[04:16:16] d3ity: mishehu, I really would like a USB one, but meh, I just have no clue where to buy one, ebay is beat for them at the moment
[04:16:38] mishehu: d3ity: I've done much of my math requirement already. gone thru multivar calculus. did diffy-q... just have linear algebra and discrete I think for a BS.
[04:16:57] mishehu: d3ity: I'm not familar with any working USB ones yet.
[04:17:10] mishehu: doesn't mean they don't exist of coruse
[04:17:32] d3ity: mishehu, i just managed to beat Math 140, penn state's course nicknamed by engineering students "DeathCalc 1"
[04:17:44] d3ity: got DeathCalc 2 next semester
[04:18:08] Goose-BA: SONS OF BITCHES
[04:18:24] b^j: take a class in combinatorics if you can
[04:18:28] b^j: it will help in CS
[04:18:39] b^j: (if you want to be more then a code monkey that is)
[04:18:47] mishehu: how much do you get when you do b^j!
[04:18:49] mishehu: heh.
[04:19:08] b^j: hah
[04:19:22] mishehu: algorithms! algorithms! algorithmsalgorithmsaaaaallllgoooorithms...
[04:19:43] d3ity: next semester it's physics (again), deathcalc 2, discrete math, CSE 271 (algorithms/bus programming), CSE 280 (Compiler Design)
[04:19:47] mishehu: I'm good at math, and I'm better when I feel it's something I can actually use.
[04:19:51] d3ity: just more and more and more math and shit.
[04:20:13] b^j: combinatorics (enumerative and nonenumerative) is emminatly useful
[04:20:16] mishehu: which is why I absolutely hated diffy-q
[04:20:42] d3ity: heh
[04:20:43] d3ity: anyway
[04:20:49] d3ity: now, I need to find an lirc reciever
[04:21:16] b^j: ahh diff eq is possibly the most appliable of all math
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[04:22:13] mishehu: d3ity: steal an sblive audigy platinum from a friend, that'll have a midi-device remote
[04:22:39] mishehu: b^j: I beg to differ on that. it's emminantly useful if you are an engineering student.
[04:23:07] mishehu: "let's do this...." 'but why are we doing this? what is its purposed?' "Just do like this..."
[04:23:08] Goose-BA: i use the packard bell remove and receiver
[04:23:14] b^j: true, including our friends ee and ce
[04:24:05] b^j: and if you every have to do any modeling of real world things in your programming you may want to know it
[04:24:10] mishehu: I'd go to UIC to finish off my BS of CS, but they put CS in the engineering school. no thanks.
[04:24:26] d3ity: mishehu, thats where I'm at right now
[04:24:32] d3ity: CS is in penn state's engineering program
[04:24:39] b^j: also you never know what you will end up doing
[04:24:51] mishehu: b^j: like running your own small biz. heh.
[04:25:46] b^j: i went from working at helpdesk to working at a university installing/maintaining a wireless network to doing computer security assessments for banks in 3 years
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[04:27:04] metalac: anyone knows why i wouldn't be able to set a Motorola DCT-6200 box to broadcast mode using plugctl?
[04:27:17] metalac: i run plugreport and it says bcast_connection=0
[04:27:26] metalac: so i run plugctl to turn on broadcast
[04:27:35] metalac: but it still shows that bcast_connection=0
[04:27:41] metalac: i can do p2p, but not broadcast
[04:27:50] mishehu: I went from bum to working at a computer shop assembling cheapass whiteboxes, to doing some winnt4 server and win9x (and later win2k/xp/2k3) work, to linux mail/samba/db/web stuff, to writing some small but highly useful php apps, to now actually writing my first truly useful C++ app. heh.
[04:28:38] mishehu: metalac: maybe in a few days to a week I can work with you on that. I'm going to be trying to hook up to my dct-6200's firewire as well.
[04:28:58] mishehu: but not now... I'm kinda swamped trying to load up this machine with myth
[04:29:09] metalac: i don't know my problem is weird
[04:29:16] metalac: because this is a trivial thing to do
[04:29:25] metalac: but somehow it just doesn't happen
[04:29:57] metalac: it pretty much has nothing to do with myth
[04:30:08] metalac: but who knows
[04:30:10] mishehu: metalac: last time I tried doing the firewire, i ended up wasting 4 days on something that turned out to be completely not my fault – cumcast was blocking all but OTA channels from the firewire.
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[04:32:27] metalac: oh no this thing worked a while ago on p2p
[04:32:30] metalac: but it was unreliable
[04:32:37] metalac: fix is to do it brodcast
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[04:34:48] mishehu: metalac: whats the difference between p2p and broadcast?
[04:34:55] Goose-BA: root@mythtv:/etc/X11/xinit# gcc -o autologin autologin.c
[04:34:55] Goose-BA: gcc: autologin.c: No such file or directory
[04:34:55] Goose-BA: gcc: no input files
[04:34:57] Goose-BA: any ideas on that?
[04:34:59] mishehu: when it comes to yanking stuff off of firewire
[04:35:06] metalac: no clue man
[04:35:25] metalac: but everyone says that broadcast is more reliable
[04:35:27] mishehu: Goose-BA: no idea what you are trying to do.
[04:35:31] metalac: even though p2p "should" be
[04:36:58] mishehu: bah. going to try out xfs for mythtv repository...
[04:36:59] Goose-BA: figured it out
[04:37:21] mishehu: Goose-BA: you were in teh wrong directory?
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[04:57:16] Goose-BA: got tv working
[04:57:23] Goose-BA: but there's a little static at the bottom of the screen any ideas?
[04:57:52] Goose-BA: like at the very bottom there's some black where the picture doesn't fill the screen and its like a blinking whit eline
[05:09:31] opello: vbi data at the bottom would be odd...
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[05:09:58] Ediehow: i dont know what's going on
[05:10:08] Ediehow: but i think someone else's remote is interfering with my myth or something
[05:10:13] Ediehow: cuz it's jumping around, turning on and off, etc
[05:10:28] Ediehow: what can i do?
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[05:11:19] gnychis: with mythtv, is there a way to look at all upcoming listings somewhere? like browse through all the channels and what is playing on them in the future?
[05:11:28] Ediehow: mythweb
[05:11:52] opello: or the program guide
[05:12:22] gnychis: where is the program guide?
[05:12:51] opello: you can watch tv, hit 'm' and pick it from the list, or it should be in the menu
[05:13:37] Goose-BA: opello: vbi data?
[05:13:49] opello: the closed captioning stuff
[05:14:15] Goose-BA: oh i dont think its that
[05:14:25] opello: gnychis: in my 0.18.1 it's manage recordings > schedule recordings > program guide
[05:14:31] Ediehow: dude, WHAT IS WITH
[05:14:35] gnychis: thanks guys
[05:14:55] Ediehow: i can't even watch myth without it skipping around, sometimes in the middle of the night, it turns on
[05:14:55] opello: with is a preposition
[05:14:56] Ediehow: what is going on?
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[05:17:35] oppiz: hello
[05:20:08] oppiz: when i installed MythTV-0.19 mc.sql was not installed, or atleast nowhere i could find it. So i just cped it from the source/database and loaded it. But when i try and run Mythtv-setup i get Unable to connect to database
[05:22:13] DrMitch: oppiz, you have to create the mythconverg database
[05:22:41] oppiz: mysql -u root -p < /usr/mythtv/mc.sql
[05:22:44] oppiz: is what i used
[05:22:53] oppiz: guess i am missing something
[05:22:59] DrMitch: cat /usr/mythtv/mc.sql
[05:23:28] DrMitch: you may need to create mythtv user in mysql too
[05:23:53] oppiz: cat /usr/share/mythtv/mc.sql
[05:23:53] oppiz: CREATE DATABASE if not exists mythconverg;
[05:23:53] oppiz: GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY "mythtv";
[05:23:54] oppiz: FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
[05:23:54] oppiz: GRANT CREATE TEMPORARY TABLES ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY "mythtv";
[05:23:57] oppiz: FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
[05:23:59] oppiz: ALTER DATABASE mythconverg DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1;
[05:24:39] DrMitch: try: mysql -u mythtv
[05:24:48] DrMitch: if that doesn't work, try mysql -u mythtv -p
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[05:25:39] oppiz: mysql -u mythtv
[05:25:39] oppiz: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[05:25:45] oppiz: mysql -u mythtv -p
[05:25:45] oppiz: Enter password:
[05:25:45] oppiz: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[05:25:54] DrMitch: did you enter mythtv as the pw?
[05:26:20] oppiz: ok now i am at the mysql prompt
[05:26:35] DrMitch: hmm...okay one sec
[05:26:50] LabMonkey: ok so at one time I had mythtv set to automatically transcode recordings immediately
[05:27:09] DrMitch: cat ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt | grep DB
[05:27:20] LabMonkey: so now I have a bunch of .mpg.old files in my recordings directory
[05:27:22] DrMitch: labmonkey, i have mine set up that way
[05:27:38] LabMonkey: what I'm wondering is if it's perfectly safe to delete those .old files
[05:27:45] DrMitch: lol, gotta set it to delete after transcoding
[05:27:54] DrMitch: yea, you can
[05:28:11] LabMonkey: yeah I had it set to save old recordings after transcoding
[05:28:18] LabMonkey: but I've disabled both options now
[05:28:24] LabMonkey: in favor of transcoding them myself
[05:28:50] DrMitch: oppiz, did you: cat ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt | grep DB
[05:29:03] oppiz: cat ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt | grep DB
[05:29:03] oppiz: DBHostName=zippo_tivo
[05:29:03] oppiz: DBUserName=mythtv
[05:29:13] oppiz: DBPassword=*******
[05:29:19] oppiz: DBName=mc.sql
[05:29:19] oppiz: DBType=QMYSQL3
[05:29:19] oppiz: # you'll need to reconfigure mythtv (or futz with the DB) every time.
[05:29:53] DrMitch: is the **** = "mythtv"
[05:29:57] DrMitch: or did you change it?
[05:30:24] oppiz: i changed it with mythtv-setup
[05:30:27] oppiz: i can change it back
[05:30:46] DrMitch: no, don't
[05:30:59] DrMitch: but you may have to: mysql -u mythtv -p
[05:31:17] DrMitch: then type: set password=PASSWORD("thenewpassword");
[05:31:43] LabMonkey: mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg
[05:31:50] LabMonkey: oh nm you're right
[05:32:11] LabMonkey: the password is in the mysql database, not mythconverg
[05:32:38] oppiz: mysql -u mythtv -p
[05:32:38] oppiz: Enter password:
[05:32:38] oppiz: Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or g.
[05:32:38] oppiz: Your MySQL connection id is 19 to server version: 5.0.22-log
[05:32:38] oppiz: Type 'help;' or 'h' for help. Type 'c' to clear the buffer.
[05:32:40] oppiz: mysql> set password=PASSWORD("m202734+");
[05:32:43] oppiz: Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec)
[05:32:45] oppiz: mysql> exit
[05:32:48] oppiz: Bye
[05:33:05] LabMonkey: restart the backend
[05:33:14] DrMitch: okay, try: mythfilldatabase
[05:34:17] oppiz: mythfilldatabase
[05:34:17] oppiz: 2006-07–13 01:33:55.343 Using runtime prefix = /usr
[05:34:17] oppiz: 2006-07–13 01:33:55.345 Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt
[05:34:17] oppiz: 2006-07–13 01:33:55.345 Trying to create a basic mysql.txt file
[05:34:17] oppiz: 2006-07–13 01:33:55.346 Writing settings file /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[05:34:19] oppiz: QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded
[05:34:22] oppiz: QSqlDatabase: available drivers:
[05:34:24] oppiz: 2006-07–13 01:33:55.349 New DB connection, total: 1
[05:34:27] oppiz: 2006-07–13 01:33:55.350 Unable to connect to database!
[05:34:29] oppiz: 2006-07–13 01:33:55.350 No error type from QSqlError? Strange...
[05:34:32] oppiz: QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
[05:34:34] oppiz: QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
[05:34:37] oppiz: 2006-07–13 01:33:55.404 DB Error (KickDatabase):
[05:34:39] oppiz: Query was:
[05:34:40] opello: don't flood, pastebin.ca
[05:34:42] oppiz: SELECT NULL;
[05:34:44] oppiz: No error type from QSqlError? Strange...
[05:34:47] oppiz: 2006-07–13 01:33:55.456 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.
[05:34:49] oppiz: sorry
[05:34:58] DrMitch: what distro?
[05:35:10] LabMonkey: is the database on a different host than the backend?
[05:35:15] oppiz: no
[05:35:21] DrMitch: no, he needs the mysql driver
[05:35:24] oppiz: it is lfsish
[05:35:36] oppiz: lfs
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[05:36:21] Dagmar: So, in otherwords, it's uniquely broken.
[05:36:41] Dagmar: "No error type from QSqlError? Strange..." <-- says all that there needs to be said.
[05:36:57] DrMitch: google for the "QMYSQL3 driver not loaded" error
[05:37:10] Dagmar: He just built Qt before he built MySQL.
[05:37:20] oppiz: Dagmar: i did not
[05:37:25] Dagmar: It must go the other way 'round.
[05:37:37] Dagmar: oppiz: Then you somehow managed to build your Qt without MySQL support.
[05:37:38] oppiz: Mysql was built befor X
[05:37:51] oppiz: Dagmar: ah@
[05:37:53] oppiz: ah!
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[05:38:32] Dagmar: Like I said, uniquely broken.
[05:38:48] oppiz: i would disagree
[05:39:11] LabMonkey: was qt built with mysql enabled?
[05:39:14] Dagmar: Feel free to indicate the other LFS people having the exact same problem.
[05:39:32] moocher: Hi, i just finished compiling mythtv from svn. As I run make install a fair part of mythtv doesn't get installed because of this error. /bin/sh: line 0: cd: /src/moc: No such file or directory. But some parts getting installed look like they have a similar makefile.
[05:39:49] Dagmar: Fried path
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[05:41:38] oppiz: so DrMitch i rebuild QT and it should work
[05:41:52] DrMitch: umm....possibly, i hate gentoo
[05:42:02] DrMitch: you might have to have mysql in the USE
[05:42:10] Dagmar: heheh
[05:42:14] DrMitch: then rebuild it
[05:42:29] LabMonkey: 'emerge -vp qt' and look for mysql in USE
[05:43:12] LabMonkey: you may actually have to do that with =x11-libs/qt-3.3.something
[05:43:53] oppiz: i don't emerge anything. i d-load the source and build it
[05:43:54] LabMonkey: in my case I have a newer version of qt slotted on one machine so I had to enable mysql in USE for that version
[05:44:26] DrMitch: oppiz, what f-ing distro you using?
[05:44:31] Dagmar: heheh
[05:45:08] oppiz: DrMitch: Linux From Scratch. well kinda that.
[05:45:21] oppiz: Clfs
[05:45:26] oppiz: is really what i use
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[05:46:43] DrMitch: i'm guessing rebuild qt with something like --enable-mysql or something like that
[05:46:57] oppiz: -qt-sql-<driver> ...... Enable a SQL <driver> in the Qt Library, by default
[05:47:07] dtm: hi all. do you guys know offhand whether the pvr-150 is capable of mpeg1 encoding?
[05:47:13] Dagmar: It's not
[05:47:16] Dagmar: Only the 250 is
[05:47:24] Dagmar: You probably don't want mpeg1 anyway
[05:47:27] dtm: i have a WinTV PVR USB2 and it is capable, so i'm just trying to see what's in common there
[05:47:29] oppiz: i have the PVR-500
[05:47:44] dtm: seeing how i haven't met anyone with a pvrusb2
[05:47:59] dtm: probably because it costs about $130
[05:48:00] Dagmar: mpeg2 is common
[05:48:13] dtm: i'm going to see how well it does mpeg1 at lower bitrate, about 1000 kbps
[05:48:24] dtm: because the latest driver snapshot supports mpeg1
[06:01:28] Ediehow: holy cow
[06:01:38] Ediehow: PLEASE, how do i stop myth from jumping around? is someone else using a remote that interferes, or what?
[06:02:32] Ediehow: it turns on in the middle of the night
[06:02:40] dhr: I'd like hardware mpeg4 encoding (I think DivX is a kind of mpeg4).
[06:03:22] Dagmar: One of the external USB tuners supports MPEG4.
[06:03:25] Dagmar: It's *not* cheap
[06:03:46] dhr: Yeah, I forgot to mention that I'm a cheapskate.
[06:03:54] Ediehow: you can get it for $100
[06:04:15] dtm: Ediehow: you have checked it for otherworldly possession, i presume?
[06:04:23] dtm: Ediehow: first you need an EKG meter
[06:04:30] Ediehow: haha
[06:04:33] Ediehow: i just dont get it
[06:04:33] dtm: Ediehow: and a time lapse camera with night vision
[06:04:38] Ediehow: maybe i need to disable lirc and see if it stops
[06:04:41] dhr: just look for its aura
[06:04:45] dtm: you need to first ask permission to make contact
[06:04:47] dtm: aloud
[06:05:08] Ediehow: ok, i just stopped lirc
[06:05:11] dtm: if you dont suddenly catch an overpowering sense of nausea and the stench of human excrement when you turn on the tv, you're probably ok
[06:05:25] dhr: how about ozone?
[06:05:33] dtm: could be
[06:05:46] dtm: my research is somewhat outdated
[06:06:23] Ediehow: or could it be my .lircrc?
[06:13:05] dhr: ediehow: what is the USB tuner with mpeg4 encoding that is $100? Is it a good tuner in other respects? Supported by MythTV?
[06:13:22] Ediehow: i never had it, but i was going to buy it
[06:13:25] Ediehow: i am trying to remember
[06:13:28] Ediehow: i think it started with a C
[06:13:42] Ediehow: it was definitely available under $200
[06:13:44] Ediehow: and that was a year ago
[06:16:13] dhr: this seem too cheap to be true: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . m=8828178681
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[06:20:15] basilisk: hi
[06:20:30] Ediehow: wait a sec
[06:20:37] basilisk: how to use a custom xmltv grabber (that I wrote myself) with myth?
[06:20:47] Ediehow: is that supported by myth?
[06:21:07] dhr: no way to tell — there doesn't seem to be a brand on it to look up.
[06:21:15] Ediehow: dazzle
[06:21:42] basilisk: anyone?
[06:22:00] dhr: maybe you were thinking of the Plextor ConvertX PVR PX-TV402. HW Mpeg 1/2/4 $177.25 at Dell
[06:22:34] alsoconfused: basilisk: mythfilldatabase --file
[06:23:21] basilisk: alsoconfused: thanks, but I'll have to do it manually (or through cron) every time, right?
[06:23:42] Dagmar: dhr: The "to be true" part is that it's some crazy Taiwanese company that makes it and that it will never work with Linux
[06:25:53] alsoconfused: basilisk: i think you can replace one of the "grabber" scripts with your own
[06:26:39] Dagmar: dhr: Why stop there... go even cheaper http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 200006067870
[06:26:59] basilisk: alsoconfused: you mean mv my_grabber tv_grab_es or something?
[06:27:24] Dagmar: I mean, if it's going to be a pain in the ass to make work, even if it's possible to make it work, you might as well get downright skinflinty about it
[06:27:48] alsoconfused: basilisk: yeah, something like that
[06:29:25] dhr: dagmar: seems to be the same picture. Don't actually know if it's cheaper — not "buy it now". Both appear to use the same shipping calculator too. I wonder if they are actually the same seller
[06:29:26] basilisk: alsoconfused: I thought of that, but it seems like an awful hack
[06:29:51] basilisk: alsoconfused: but if there's no other way... so be it :)
[06:29:56] Ediehow: dhr: i sent them a yahoo
[06:29:58] Ediehow: message
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[06:31:00] dhr: ediehow: intriguing. If it was decent and worked with MythTV, they'd get a lot of interest.
[06:32:47] dtm: i apparently can't remember my zap2it password and their email function doesn't work. any idea of what command i'd type to retrieve it from sql?
[06:33:12] dtm: i set it up a couple weeks ago and now that i look in the guide for the first time, the channels are all completely wrong or missing
[06:33:26] Ediehow: is it stored in your mythtv setup?
[06:33:32] dhr: sorry: shipping cost calculator isn't the same. I confused myself.
[06:34:47] dtm: Ediehow: checking
[06:37:44] Ediehow: it hsould be
[06:37:45] Ediehow: mythtv-setup
[06:37:48] Ediehow: it should be in there
[06:40:29] Dagmar: dhr: They are the same seller
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[06:40:46] Dagmar: dhr: You can pretty much count on it
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[06:41:26] d3ity: w00t!
[06:41:38] d3ity: i managed to redo most of my IR reciever
[06:41:51] d3ity: so now I just have to go to work tomorrow and pick up a few parts
[06:42:39] alsoconfused: d3ity: cool!
[06:42:53] CCFL_Man: anyone do dvb-s on mythtv here?
[06:43:10] d3ity: alsoconfused, sadly, the parts i fscked up were the expensive ones... the voltage regulator, the IR reciever
[06:43:35] d3ity: so now I just need a new voltage regulator, a new ir reciever, and another capacator, and I'll be good to go
[06:43:45] dhr: I'm trying to get MythTV going, my first time. I'm getting some problematic behaviour. It looks as if the root of the problem is that mythbackend is running as root (from /etc/rc.d/whatever)
[06:43:57] d3ity: and I need a female d-sub connector and a fresh serial cable.
[06:44:16] dhr: It seems to think it should be running as user "mythtv". Does that make sense?
[06:44:25] d3ity: I could get away with the serial cable I have, but I can't find one single place that will tell me which pins the colored wires go to
[06:44:43] alsoconfused: d3ity: that's what an ohmmeter is for
[06:45:13] d3ity: I've got a multimeter somewhere around here... but I honestly couldn't tell you how the hell to use most of the things on it for the life of me
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[06:46:25] alsoconfused: if you can measure continuity with it you can figure out which pin goes to which wire
[06:46:39] d3ity: alsoconfused, hrm. interesting proposal.
[06:46:50] d3ity: unfortunatley I have no idea where the hell it is
[06:46:51] alsoconfused: just set it on a low resistance scale like 20ohms or something
[06:48:03] alsoconfused: you could also do what you need with a flashlight bulb and a battery
[06:48:30] CCFL_Man: dammit no one here does dvb-s
[06:48:34] alsoconfused: the professor would use a coconut shell
[06:49:01] CCFL_Man: the future of tv is c-band
[06:49:12] d3ity: I think it's safe to say that the single lower guage wire in here is a ground.
[06:49:34] d3ity: which...should be going to pin 5
[06:49:34] Ediehow: well
[06:49:39] Ediehow: turning off lirc made my problems go away
[06:49:41] Ediehow: so what does that mean?
[06:49:46] Ediehow: was someone else's remote interfering?
[06:49:49] dtm: Ediehow: the spirits are angered
[06:49:56] dtm: Ediehow: You.... shouldn't have done that.
[06:50:07] dtm: oh Ediehow ... what have you done?
[06:50:24] dtm: <voice type="girl"> theeeeyyyy're heeeeerrrre... </voice>
[06:50:36] alsoconfused: d3ity: it might also be going to the D part of the connector
[06:50:58] CCFL_Man: use cat 3 or cat 5 for serial
[06:51:44] alsoconfused: he's using a premade cable with molded connector
[06:51:56] CCFL_Man: thats fine
[06:52:04] Dagmar: You can use any kind of wire you want for serial
[06:52:25] alsoconfused: the wire is already on the connector
[06:52:28] CCFL_Man: not any kind for fast speeds and long distances
[06:52:37] Dagmar: This is lirc we're talking about
[06:52:37] alsoconfused: right
[06:52:49] Dagmar: Long distances aren't likely to be involved, and high speeds definitely aren't.
[06:52:57] CCFL_Man: ahh
[06:53:18] CCFL_Man: can one easily build an ir to rs232 interface?
[06:53:37] alsoconfused: that's what he's trying. it's a fairly simple circuit
[06:53:48] Dagmar: Several circuits listed at http://www.lirc.org/
[06:53:50] CCFL_Man: url?
[06:53:54] CCFL_Man: ahh, n/m
[06:53:55] d3ity: CCFL_Man, i'll tell you when I'm done, but it's been done before
[06:54:51] d3ity: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Homebrew . . . ciever_parts
[06:54:51] alsoconfused: it doesn't even use the data lines for data, it uses one of the flow control lines
[06:55:09] d3ity: alsoconfused, I'm just trying to figure out which wires he used from the serial cable
[06:55:10] Dagmar: Crude, but functional.
[06:55:27] d3ity: looks like brown red and black
[06:55:31] d3ity: but...which goes where?
[06:55:40] alsoconfused: he might have different colors
[06:56:14] alsoconfused: you only care that it ends up on the correct pin
[06:56:16] d3ity: this is true, but isn't there some sort of standard? like there exists for cat5
[06:56:23] Dagmar: Nope
[06:56:32] d3ity: Dagmar, well, thats always nice.
[06:56:37] CCFL_Man: d3ity: ahh
[06:56:39] Dagmar: It's serial.
[06:56:50] d3ity: Dagmar, this it is.
[06:56:52] Dagmar: THere's not really all that many lines you can get mixed up with it
[06:57:11] d3ity: Dagmar, we've got 9 delicious pins, and 9 delicious wires
[06:57:14] Dagmar: You've got a ground and a hot wire and the rest is there to make you feel better about it
[06:57:34] d3ity: yeah. I need to find the ground. the hot wire, and one other wire.
[06:57:38] dhr: almost the first thing in my mythbackend.log is this line: 2006-07–13 02:53:07.129 Using runtime prefix = /usr
[06:57:41] d3ity: but the only thing that irks me about this...is...
[06:57:45] Dagmar: Ground will almost certain by the usual ground pin
[06:57:48] d3ity: this cable won't work anyway.
[06:57:54] dhr: Is that appropriate? should it be in ~mythtv?
[06:58:04] alsoconfused: d3ity: do you have a bulb and a battery :)
[06:58:09] d3ity: since it's male/male, and I need a female end to plug into my computer.
[06:58:19] Dagmar: Yeah, I usually use an LED and a spare 1.5v battery
[06:58:20] alsoconfused: oh
[06:58:31] CCFL_Man: thats one simple circuit
[06:59:01] alsoconfused: i guess the key is getting a receiver with the right baud rate
[06:59:07] CCFL_Man: yeah
[06:59:16] d3ity: so, I'm gonna go to work tomorrow, pick up a male/female cable, and a 9 pin D-sub female connector, and mount the connector in this nifty project box, then just use the aforementioned cable without cutting it into itty bits
[06:59:17] Dagmar: huh
[06:59:27] Dagmar: d3ity; GOod idea.
[06:59:53] Dagmar: alsoconfused: the IR elements dont' really give a hill of beans about baud rates
[06:59:57] CCFL_Man: so what kind of frontends do you people use? there any open set top box platforms out there?
[07:00:06] Dagmar: Pilot frequency is about as close to it as it gets
[07:00:21] alsoconfused: Dagmar: they say that if the rate is wrong range will be reduced
[07:00:30] Dagmar: Not baud rate.
[07:00:36] Dagmar: Pilot frequency rate.
[07:00:38] xris: CCFL_Man: many people use self-built with htpc-style case (like silverstone lc-11 or various imho ugly coolermaster ones)
[07:00:43] Dagmar: They're also making kind of an assumption there.
[07:00:44] CCFL_Man: i want to try to hack the linksys media center extender
[07:00:48] alsoconfused: Dagmar: you are correct
[07:00:49] d3ity: to tell you guys the truth my LIRC adventure came from the fact that last night I was annoyed by my inability to change the channel from bed, and a severe severe lack of customers where I work
[07:00:56] Dagmar: There's three that are commonly used, one which is WAY away from the others and won't work with them at all
[07:01:06] d3ity: So I googled, and found the page on the myth wiki, and then I went to town sifting through the parts drawers
[07:01:12] d3ity: my boss thought I was fucking crazy.
[07:01:14] CCFL_Man: xris: thats unfortunate, because i have a vision
[07:01:19] xris: ?
[07:01:30] Dagmar: alsoconfused: I've had an IR transciever for my PDA since the Handspring Visor was new, man
[07:02:01] Dagmar: You can't make those work without learning a bit about how IR remote signal tranmission works
[07:02:23] d3ity: anyway, the fact that I got the parts for this beast for just about 8 bucks was enough to make me have to go out and try this
[07:02:23] CCFL_Man: xris: i have a vision that there will be a driveless, fanless set top box platform running linus and myth frontend, has every kind of output you need and can do hdtv decoding
[07:03:01] xris: CCFL_Man: good luck with the "hdtv" and "fanless"
[07:03:09] xris: afaik it's not possible yet
[07:03:23] xris: takes about a 2ghz cpu and a good video card to decode HD
[07:03:27] dtm: lol.
[07:03:34] alsoconfused: underclocked processor with passive heat pipe cooling
[07:03:44] CCFL_Man: xris: well, an xbox upgraded with a 1.4GHz cpu and 128mb ram could probably handle it
[07:03:56] xris: CCFL_Man: maybe...
[07:03:57] dtm: i have a vision for solid gold toilets in every garage and a chicken in every car
[07:04:05] xris: I didn't know the xbox could even DO hd.
[07:04:14] Dagmar: You will not catch me using a solid metal toilet, gold or not
[07:04:15] xris: it has a dvi output?
[07:04:31] CCFL_Man: no dvi output, but vga and component
[07:05:04] xris: CCFL_Man: hd component?
[07:05:08] CCFL_Man: yes
[07:05:17] xris: what res?
[07:05:22] CCFL_Man: 1080i
[07:05:31] xris: impressive. thought only the 360 had that res
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[07:05:43] xris: I mean, the xbox is only a geforece2
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[07:06:06] m13a8_: i, however, have a vision of a fly eating an entire bucket of extra crispy fried chicken while watching the superbowl
[07:06:15] CCFL_Man: xbox can do 1080i, it's video encoder supports that
[07:06:15] d3ity: xris, but it's got a great TV-out feature, for about the cost of a PVR-500
[07:06:42] d3ity: and you get one of those intel celerys with it too!
[07:06:45] xris: d3ity: I guess. I'll stick to my tunerless firewire setup.  :)
[07:06:53] Dagmar: And you get to give money to Microsoft.
[07:07:01] Dagmar: Everyone wants to do that more often.
[07:07:12] d3ity: Dagmar, as long as you void the warranty immediatley, I see no wrong in it
[07:07:17] CCFL_Man: hdtv tuners are fanless
[07:07:17] ** dtm stirs a celery stalk in his extra crispy fly guts **
[07:07:45] Dagmar: d3ity: What? Give them money and then absolve them of the responsibility of ensuring they didn't sell you something soon to die?
[07:07:48] dtm: hell yeah they are; you dont want your hdtv out of tune
[07:07:55] CCFL_Man: boxes are fanless, it's possible to decode it on a network or from a tuner
[07:08:11] d3ity: Dagmar, I have an xbox, I plan on getting a 360 when I get oodles of money. The xbox is the one product I think Microsoft actually did a decent job on
[07:08:32] CCFL_Man: d3ity: hah!
[07:08:42] CCFL_Man: thats a good one
[07:08:53] m13a8_: d3ity: don't forget the 1.0's though, man they have crappy dvd drives
[07:08:57] xris: CCFL_Man: I'd be seriously impressed if an xbox could decode HD video....
[07:09:01] dtm: and a monopoly can continue to exist because EVERYONE may have "the one product $MONOPOLY actually did a decent job on"
[07:09:05] xris: my 2.4Ghz p4 has enough trouble with it.
[07:09:18] d3ity: m13a8_, yeah, but thats true of almost anything... 1.0 ALWAYS has bugs.
[07:09:18] dtm: but they're all interrelated
[07:09:24] CCFL_Man: xris: linux handles things differently
[07:09:39] xris: CCFL_Man: huh?
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[07:10:12] xris: printing a 1080i vector to the screen (xbox game) is a completely different task than decoding a compressed mpeg.
[07:10:19] CCFL_Man: it can decode it decently, it's slow as hell when it's stick ram and cpu
[07:10:33] Dagmar: C'mon, EVERYONE likes DVD players that not only malfunction, but grind up your DVDs as well
[07:10:39] CCFL_Man: stick = stock
[07:10:47] d3ity: but honestly, buy an htpc case, toss your xbox components in it... 200 bucks and maybe a new hard drive and you've got a pretty decent mythTV box
[07:10:52] CCFL_Man: Dagmar: i do
[07:11:18] xris: CCFL_Man: so you're saying that you already have an xbox set up for an hd frontend?
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[07:11:38] CCFL_Man: d3ity: my home ip network will consist of a backend with an hdtv card, dvb-s card, and a pvr-500 for analog
[07:12:04] CCFL_Man: xris: i tried it with the media player, like 5 to 10 fps :P
[07:12:13] CCFL_Man: mplayer under xebian
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[07:13:10] CCFL_Man: i need a set top box platform i can completely hack
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[07:13:30] CCFL_Man: the linksys media center extender is a good idea
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[07:13:53] CCFL_Man: i don't think it has enough ram for hdtv decoding, but i'm not sure
[07:14:08] CCFL_Man: uses an ati chinsep
[07:14:12] CCFL_Man: Xillean
[07:16:00] CCFL_Man: but my main goal is to have a backend and multiple fromtends
[07:16:31] CCFL_Man: on my ip network
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[07:26:18] sphery: joffray: re: "I'd like to see the ability to queue a previously recorded for commercial flagging or transcoding"
[07:26:47] sphery: You can do that from the Watch Recordings screen by selecting Menu and then "Start commercial flagging" or "Start Transcoding"
[07:27:11] joffray: oh, I thought you were still talking about mythweb
[07:27:12] sphery: Or, in playback, you can select Menu and then select the transcoding profile to use.
[07:27:20] sphery: Oh.
[07:27:23] sphery: I see.
[07:27:38] sphery: Sorry. I misunderstood.
[07:30:16] d3ity: CCFL_Man, you know whats the best idea there? buy an htpc case, build your dream box, and enjoy.
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[07:30:32] d3ity: hopefully by the end of the year I'll be able to put one of those together
[07:31:05] d3ity: and if my current project goes well, I'll build a lirc reciever into the case, along with an LCD display or something crazier
[07:31:17] d3ity: I'm thinking an infoglobe hack that displays the current channel and program
[07:31:48] Dagmar: I wish they'd make one of those damn things with a serial interface
[07:32:26] Dagmar: I would roll out and buy one tomorrow morning if I could interface it to the PC
[07:34:15] d3ity: Dagmar, theres a hack
[07:34:27] Dagmar: where?
[07:35:56] d3ity: http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoar . . . amp;Session=
[07:36:00] d3ity: thats the discussion of it
[07:37:12] d3ity: heres the actual page with cool info
[07:37:13] d3ity: http://www.linux-hacker.net/InfoGlobe/
[07:38:12] Dagmar: What's needed is a way to do it that doesn't entail a PIC controller
[07:38:22] Dagmar: You can't simply solder software into them
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[07:44:04] Dagmar: Even http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/lights/59ac/ would be cool
[07:44:23] d3ity: Dagmar, personally, I don't care too much for soldering, I'd rather code
[07:44:41] d3ity: and hopefully next semester I'll learn some more about those PIC controllers
[07:45:01] Dagmar: Well, what I know of them is that I don't have the stuff required to upload code into them
[07:45:32] d3ity: Dagmar, thats what you buy cheap serial cables for ;)
[07:45:51] Dagmar: ...and what, shove the chip into the end of it?
[07:46:33] d3ity: Dagmar, in a way, yes, you get a pc board and you put an IC holder on it, then a D-sub connector and connect the proper pins... then you use various software to program the beast
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[07:46:51] Dagmar: far too much trouble
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[07:47:03] d3ity: anyway, we got this new alarm clock in at radioshack, it's pretty cool, manages to set itself even when unplugged with no batteries... but, the coolest part is...
[07:47:13] d3ity: it has this little projector in it.
[07:47:22] d3ity: that shoots the time up on your wall or what have you
[07:47:27] Dagmar: I have one of those in my bathroom
[07:47:29] DrMitch: how can you set the default fast forward/rewind speed??
[07:47:32] Dagmar: I've had it for a couple of years now
[07:47:43] d3ity: Dagmar, aye, I've seen them before, but I never got to play with one
[07:47:44] DrMitch: instead of 5/30, i want like 10/30
[07:48:00] d3ity: honestly I want to take the thing apart and use that little projector for something like an RSS feed
[07:48:08] d3ity: have an RSS ticker project on my wall or something
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[07:48:21] Dagmar: Good luck getting those letters on the dinky display
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[07:54:32] d3ity: Dagmar, yeah, something purpose built would be nice
[07:56:11] d3ity: jesus its 4 AM already
[07:56:17] d3ity: I've got work at 10, night all
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[08:39:22] zerotrace: Has anybody here had experience with playing HDTV streams with mythfrontend running on a powerpc mac mini?
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[09:14:27] dorel__: i've used a script to send all the variations of the 0_0_KEY_POWER sequences through the irblaster but it seems like none is compatible with the cable box i have
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[09:58:49] Dagmar: dhr: http://www.adafruit.com/
[09:58:50] Dagmar: w00t!
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[10:22:43] emja: running mythtv version 0.19.20060121–2 and Fedora Core 5. Installed as per http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/index.php, but now can't get it to play DVDs. Non-encrypted DVDs work, but not encrypted ones. Any pointers?
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[10:31:51] moocher: In the channel table, what does serviceid reference?
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[10:32:09] Dagmar: You're missing libdvdcss is all.
[10:32:17] Dagmar: It's necessary to be able to play encrypted DVDs
[10:36:55] dorel__: yep
[10:37:21] dorel__: i dont know the codes to send to my cable box
[10:37:22] emja: Dagmar: err, I have libdvdcss
[10:37:39] dorel__: so can i 'record' the ir signals from the cable box's remote and then use those?
[10:37:58] emja: /usr/lib/libdvdcss.so.2.0.8
[10:38:15] dorel__: i dont it can play ALL dvds
[10:38:32] Dagmar: emja: Then for some reason the player application can't find it
[10:38:37] dorel__: for example, i know that disney has an encryption that im not sure the libdvdcss can crack
[10:38:41] emja: yeah, that's what I'm guessing
[10:38:43] Dagmar: *sigh*
[10:38:48] Dagmar: libdvdcss doens't "crack" anything.
[10:38:59] emja: Dagmar: maybe I should change from mplayer (default?) to ogle or xine
[10:39:00] Dagmar: It does the job any CSS routine is supposed to do.
[10:39:19] emja: libdvdcss is very clever
[10:39:21] Dagmar: ...including playing Disney DVDs.
[10:39:22] dorel__: you know what i mean :P
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[10:39:41] Dagmar: If libdvdcss can't decode it, it's not going to play on a commercial, off-the-shelf DVD playe.
[10:39:44] Dagmar: s/playe/player/;
[10:40:00] Dagmar: emja: Very likely xine might not have the same malfunction.
[10:40:03] emja: played fine when I was running knoppmyth
[10:40:15] emja: now I'm running mythtv-suite on fc5, no joy
[10:40:16] Dagmar: Then again, the guys at RedHat might have gotten paranoid enough to purposefully prune that functionality
[10:40:39] emja: I don't see how. as i said, I've got libdvdcss
[10:40:47] emja: ogle seems to work though
[10:40:50] emja: weird
[10:40:59] Dagmar: All I know for sure is that Dropline doesn't distribute it, we don't build our binaries with it present, and when the libdvdcss library is literally "just chucked into the filesystem" afterwards, it magically works anyway.
[10:41:00] emja: maybe mplayer can't find libdvdcss
[10:41:01] emja: ???
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[10:41:54] dorel__: maybe check /etc/ld.so.conf?
[10:41:57] emja: on the other hand, this is a fresh install (of both fc5 and myth) so everything should work
[10:42:02] dorel__: or explicity add it
[10:43:08] emja: dorel__: hmm.. nvidia-graphics is in there, as is 'include ld.so.conf.d/*.conf'
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[10:43:19] emja: that include line looks broken
[10:43:34] emja: it's not an explicit path
[10:44:09] dorel__: im thinking maybe check where libdvdcss lives and put the path for it over there
[10:44:13] dorel__: then run ldconfig
[10:44:14] emja: yeah
[10:44:18] emja: me too
[10:44:23] emja: thanks
[10:44:25] emja: muchly
[10:44:46] dorel__: sure
[10:44:59] dorel__: so anyway, back to my problem... can i record the ir signals from a cable box's remote?
[10:45:21] dorel__: i mean, i cant use irw cause it relies on an already configured lircd.conf
[10:45:39] dorel__: i want to "learn" the new remote, or just see the codes its sending to my cable box so i can use the ir blastere
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[10:45:42] dorel__: *blaster
[10:46:08] emja: dorel__: how do I chk if ldconfig picked it up correctly?
[10:46:50] dorel__: i suppose you dont. if you've added the path to ld.so.conf then ldconfig will generate a new path for your libraries
[10:47:03] Dagmar: dorel__: Actually, this is going to sound lame of me, but check the docs that come with the package. They actually describe in pretty reasonable detail which of their utility binaries to use and how to use it to read the codes
[10:47:04] dorel__: there's a way to check the current libs path but i forgot
[10:47:27] emja: dorel__: thx. I found it. 'ldconfig -p | grep dvd'
[10:47:35] dorel__: great
[10:47:36] emja: now, for the big test....
[10:47:42] Dagmar: libdvdcss is explcitly dlopen'd (I think that's the term). It is not something linked in at compile time, so ld.so.conf has nothing whatsoever to do with it
[10:47:45] emja: many (!) thanks guys
[10:48:03] dorel__: Dagmar: ahh ok
[10:48:14] Dagmar: If ld.so.conf had much to do with it, you'd be able to `ldd mplayer | grep libdvdcss` and see something
[10:48:19] Dagmar: or s/mplayer/xine/;
[10:48:39] Dagmar: I know the linker stuff pretty well, and honestly it kinda freaks me out.
[10:48:41] dorel__: emja: it works?
[10:48:52] Dagmar: This is what I meant by it "magically" just works.
[10:48:58] Dagmar: I know of nothing else that does that trick.
[10:49:06] emja: dorel__: nope. maybe a reboot is in order
[10:49:16] Dagmar: rebooting is for win32 and fried kernels.
[10:49:20] emja: yeah
[10:49:21] emja: I know
[10:49:25] Dagmar: ...or when you want to test your init scripts.
[10:49:31] emja: or those of us who fail at every other attempt
[10:49:39] Dagmar: OKay, well, there is that. Heh
[10:49:50] dorel__: Dagmar: not even for init scripts cause i can use telinit :)
[10:49:52] Dagmar: I reboot just because I'm too lazy to type ldconfig sometimes
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[10:50:18] dorel__: lol
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[10:50:52] Dagmar: I figure why not. If I'm going to the bathroom or about to make a sandwich or something I might as well
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[10:52:02] emja: yeah
[10:52:05] emja: all true
[10:52:40] emja: here I am with eight years of 'experience' with linux, now selling it, but still don't know wft ldconfig means. ;-)
[10:56:50] dorel__: linux is way too enourmous to know everything
[10:57:29] dorel__: i believe there are a very few people who actually know the system in and out and im sure that even they can be surprised now and then
[10:58:41] moocher: Hmm anyone using XvMCNVIDIA here?
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[11:03:10] Juski: afternoonish
[11:03:31] dorel__: afternoonish juski
[11:13:05] moocher: Is xvmcnvidia not usable at the moment?
[11:13:21] moocher: When I play a recording it'll have the audio, but no video or osd.
[11:17:40] Juski: you;re lucky you don't get segfaults like I did in ubuntu
[11:18:15] GreyFoxx: moocher: works fine for me
[11:18:25] GreyFoxx: But I'm using an older set of nvidiadrivers
[11:20:16] moocher: GreyFoxx, im recompiling with just the standard xvmc stuff. Need to get video to make sure the channels are configured. :|
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[11:43:01] dorel__: i've connected my webcam which has a v4l driver support to mythtv and defined it's video input/source
[11:43:29] dorel__: technically it works but the picture i see in 'watch tv' of the webcam is really messed up. its actually all green and i cant make anything out of it
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[11:52:56] jonah1980: hi guys i just wondered if mythtv will work on ubuntu 6.06 lts AMD64bit edition? and is it easy to set up. also i have a Pinnacle PCTV Hybrid Pro PCI Digital TV Card, will that be ok?
[11:54:09] jonah1980: i'm quite new to linux so i was hoping it would be quite easy to setup without too much command line or dependency probs etc – if not are there alternatives to myth?
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[12:05:32] Juski: jonah1980: check the wiki at www.linuxtv.org to see if linux (never mind mythtv) supports the card. always wise to check linuxtv.org before buying if possible
[12:06:02] Juski: mythtv supports all the dvb cards supported by V4L dvb drivers AFAIK
[12:06:23] Juski: so like I said – the question is not whether myth supports it – it's whether or not _linux_ does
[12:07:12] jonah1980: Juski, thanks for the advice, where abouts do i check this on that website? sorry i'm new to all this and i find it very difficult to find the right info
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[12:08:38] Juski: erm.. if you have bother finding the dvb wiki, you shouldn't even be bothering IMHO. if finding the 3rd menu item down on the left is beyond you, God help you!
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[12:14:18] jonah1980: man the arrogance! how am i supposed to learn anything with advice like that, thanks! linux elitism at it's highest
[12:15:35] Dagmar: By shutting the hell up if all you have to say is whine whine whine
[12:16:09] Dagmar: ...because you're providing *great* incentive for people to not even bother responding when the question is so very simple..
[12:17:28] dorel__: can i change the 4 seconds of buffering that mythtv does to say 1 second?
[12:17:32] Dagmar: ...and what he said is essentially correct. Linux is somewhat complex. Hardware support for Linux with the more esoteric devices is still heavily forested land. And MythTV in particular still relies very heavily on Linux support through it's drivers, AND a fairly detailed level of knowledge and intelligence on the user's part.
[12:17:41] Dagmar: All it brings for complete newbies is *pain*.
[12:18:13] Dagmar: dorel__: I've never noticed it doing 4 seconds of buffering. Usually it's just whatever delay there is while the encoder buckets fill up in the tuner card.
[12:18:24] Dagmar: ...which is about a second or so.
[12:18:35] jonah1980: hey i'm not wining, i'm just saying there's a lot of arrogant ppl around – it's true. i'm no good on linux yet, i may never be, i accept that – but i don't need antagonistic B.S. to help me learn
[12:18:55] dorel__: nah its about 4 seconds
[12:19:02] dorel__: say
[12:19:16] Dagmar: jonah1980: Not only are you wrong, but you're also wrong, and wrong again.
[12:19:25] dorel__: i change a channel in the cable box, it takes 4 seconds until i see it on the tv where it's cable box -> mythtv -> tv
[12:19:31] Dagmar: There is a LOT of documentation to wade through for this.
[12:19:55] Dagmar: dorel__: Do you get instantaneous channel changes on cable? I'm thinking you're getting digital, right?
[12:20:09] Dagmar: Oh wait, there's also the blaster lag added in. Yeah, this could result in quite a bit of lag. :/
[12:21:26] jonah1980: so what's with Juski's "quit the chat" message? i'm just saying that guy is arrogant in approach, stuff like that is uncalled for and unsupportive, i'd rather no help than offensiveness to newbs
[12:21:56] Dagmar: That, is a standard quit message.
[12:22:18] Dagmar: ...and we'd rather not have people making grandiose entitlement claims all day.
[12:22:31] jonah1980: Dagmar, yeah i thought it might be his standard message – arragant as hell!
[12:22:51] jonah1980: why just be arrogant with me when he can give newbs a kick all time huh?
[12:22:59] Dagmar: Newbies rather frequently need the rolled-up paper before they realize that using Linux requires a certain level of extended reading time on their part.
[12:23:19] jonah1980: anyway i don't have time for this, obiviously i need to learn more about linux – thanks for the help and argument
[12:23:26] Dagmar: Why aren't we already kicking you since you seem hell-bent on being an unpleasant ass is what you *should* be asking yourself.
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[12:23:59] Dagmar: It's guys like that wot spoil it for serial killers.
[12:25:52] opello: lol
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[12:28:33] sapbeast: man a pentium pro is alot slower than you remember
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[12:29:47] Juski: damn work internet connection. the damp string broke again
[12:31:52] Juski: so.. whatever yer name was.. have you read the dvb wiki yet? was it too hard to find?
[12:33:08] emja: Juski: he left
[12:33:16] emja: made for some fun reading
[12:33:17] emja: ;-)
[12:33:34] ** Juski checks the log **
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[12:34:12] Juski: fh... I don't have that sig for fun.. it means something.. if folks can't see how stupid they're being that's their lookout
[12:34:29] emja: Dagmar & dorel__: thanks for the help earlier. I ended up moving to xine (rather than mplayer). works fine, aside of now needing to fix the keymappings
[12:35:00] emja: Juski: we're all stupid, in different subjects and to different degrees
[12:35:11] Juski: heh. thank the lord we don't have to remap xine's keys very often.. what a PITA it is
[12:35:25] emja: oh great. thanks for the heads-up.  ;-)
[12:35:38] ** emja doesn't look forward to the task' **
[12:36:12] Juski: key "foo" is already used by "foo2".. until you get it right. and xine has an awful lot of keys
[12:36:52] emja: maybe I can cheat and fine someone else's keymap file
[12:37:02] Juski: lircrc files – no sweat
[12:37:09] emja: eh?
[12:37:13] Juski: but keymaps.. (shudder)
[12:37:18] emja: oh
[12:37:25] Juski: mapping xine keys to remote buttons is fine
[12:37:28] Juski: easy, even
[12:37:44] emja: but don't I need to get the keymaps working first, so that lirc works consistently?
[12:37:57] Juski: not really
[12:38:08] ** emja is dangerously close to asking a stupid question **
[12:38:23] Juski: just do xine --keymap lirc to find out the names of all the keys xine offers
[12:38:34] emja: ahh, ok
[12:38:36] emja: ta
[12:38:43] Juski: and put them in a .lircrc file within the user's home directory
[12:39:04] Juski: like myth's licrc file, only instead of prog = mythtv you put prog = xine ;-)
[12:39:19] Juski: and obviously the right remote button name & the correct xine key name
[12:39:37] emja: well, lirc is my next challenge anyway. I still don't have that working at all
[12:40:17] Juski: I've fought with it a few times. quite tricky occasionally
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[12:42:41] emja: i now regret rebuilding my mythtv box. replaced knoppmyth with fc5+mithtv-suite. the reconfiguring of dvd playback and dvd ripping is a PITA
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[12:44:03] GreyFoxx: Then don't do dvd ripping ;)
[12:44:06] GreyFoxx: heh
[12:44:33] emja: techinally correct answer, but not at all helpful. ;-)
[12:44:43] emja: *technically
[12:48:29] sobral: hi all, is the mythconverg db user/passwd the only authentication method in mythfrontend?
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[12:50:31] sobral: in other words, I would like to know what prevents someone from playing on a remote mythbackend
[12:51:33] moocher: GreyFoxx, what nvidia binary version are you using?
[12:53:31] GreyFoxx: moocher: 7676
[12:54:02] GreyFoxx: sobral: What do you mean, "prevents them from playing" ?
[12:54:12] GreyFoxx: mythbackend has no concept of authentication
[12:54:36] GreyFoxx: anyone with a frontend, that can reach a backend can play off it
[12:54:57] GreyFoxx: assuming they don't have different versions of myth and imcompatibilities that way
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[12:55:06] sobral: GreyFoxx, they can play a remote video even if they dont have access to the db?
[12:55:24] GreyFoxx: If they know exactly what file to ask for
[12:56:17] GreyFoxx: You might even be able to ask the backend what is available foir play
[12:56:23] GreyFoxx: and then use that list to request a video
[12:57:28] sobral: ok, so there is no authentication at all
[12:57:34] GreyFoxx: Correct
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[12:58:17] GreyFoxx: I've seen a bunch of stuff going by about having user accounts and such, but I don't know if that more for frontend access or if it will extend to the backend as well
[12:58:31] ** GreyFoxx has no need for such things **
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[13:04:57] moocher: OK got my channels going.
[13:07:54] moocher: Hmm pity about the xvmc stuff, HDTV is slow. :|
[13:08:12] melunko: hi, all, does anybody know what protocol mythtv uses to stream livetv?
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[13:08:28] GreyFoxx: It's on
[13:08:34] GreyFoxx: err own
[13:09:20] GreyFoxx: the mythprotocol is used for all streaming UNLESS the frontend has direct file access to the recording(nfs mount or the backend and frontend are on the same much). Then it will just read directyly from the file
[13:09:58] GreyFoxx: So if you have seperate boxes, and nfs mount the recordings directory from the backend to the frontend in the exact same location then the frontend will read it from there
[13:10:05] GreyFoxx: if it's not mounted it will use the mythprotocol
[13:11:03] GreyFoxx: So for instance my recordings go to /data/mythtv, and my frontends all mount that. I can shutdown mythbackend during a video playback (non livetv) and it will keep going happily
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[13:19:43] melunko: GreyFoxx: But what happens in livetv? I mean, the backend capture the video/audio and save to a .nuv file as well?
[13:20:39] melunko: and the frontend access it via nfs or mythprotocol
[13:23:13] ** LLyric tries to get HD working, and fails.... **
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[13:30:07] jharrisonwk: dudes
[13:30:45] jharrisonwk: or rather 'oi mon'
[13:35:05] GreyFoxx: melunko: Exactly
[13:35:20] GreyFoxx: It's stored in a.nuv or .mpg depending on what the source is
[13:35:32] GreyFoxx: if it's a PVR card, or a DVB card it will be .mpg
[13:35:47] GreyFoxx: if it's a old framegrabber it will be .nuv
[13:39:14] melunko: GreyFoxx. Thanks. What I didn't get so far is how mythprotocol does it. I mean, how it sends the video data to the frontend.
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[13:54:56] GreyFoxx: melunko: Frontend asks for Xbytes of Data, backend sends it, frontend asks for more, etc etc
[13:56:11] GreyFoxx: You could always look at the source and or tcpdump the traffic and look
[13:56:19] GreyFoxx: port 6543 is the default backend port
[13:56:48] melunko: GreyFoxx: Thanks
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[14:03:03] dorel__: do you guys connect a mouse/keyboard to your mythtv box?
[14:04:36] LabMonkey: dorel__: my new tv box has a vfd/ir module in it and I have lirc configured for the remote, so I've disconnected keyboard and mouse from it
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[14:13:48] dorel__: good
[14:13:52] dorel__: can you show me your xorg.conf?
[14:14:05] dorel__: cause if i remove the keyboard/mouse then my xorg.conf fails to load saying its missing a core pointer
[14:14:19] dorel__: oh nm, found it
[14:14:25] dorel__: Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "boolean"  – This allows the server to start up even if the mouse device can't be opened/initialised. Default: false.
[14:14:25] dorel__: :)
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[14:21:54] LabMonkey: dorel__: well, my remote has a dpad on it and I have lircmd running, so xorg picks that up
[14:24:39] dorel__: remind me whats lircmd does?
[14:24:47] dorel__: s/whats/what
[14:25:20] LabMonkey: lirc is linux infrared control
[14:25:34] LabMonkey: lircd is the daemon to monitor the ir device
[14:26:25] LabMonkey: lircmd monitors the same device to use a dpad similar on the remote for mouse cursor control
[14:26:36] LabMonkey: and creates a special pointer device
[14:27:25] dorel__: ahh cool
[14:29:38] LabMonkey: yeah
[14:29:40] LabMonkey: it's kinda neat
[14:45:59] dorel__: appears that AllowMouseFail "true" doesnt work well with xorg
[14:46:24] LabMonkey: hmm
[14:46:33] LabMonkey: isn't there a dummy mouse driver for xorg?
[14:47:04] LabMonkey: I don't recall anything about it, but I'm pretty sure there is one
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[14:52:00] dorel__: no idea
[14:52:11] dorel__: i managed to solve it by adding this directive in the serverflags though
[14:52:26] geemark: "mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.19.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" <-- I thought the "make install" would install those?
[14:52:44] geemark: where should they go?
[15:00:08] geemark: the libs are in /usr/local/lib , but mythbackend cannot find them (?)
[15:00:45] sharkhat: does anyone sell mythtv boxes already to go?
[15:02:01] geemark: sharkhat: depends on the definition of "to go" – you may buy mine cheap – everything seems to fail miserably
[15:03:26] sharkhat: lol
[15:04:38] sharkhat: i have an xbox modded with x bmc, then my mod chip died, and i dont have time to put in a new one, flash bios, blah blah, nor do i want to do the same for mythtv, i went to look at a pvr for my satalite, and they want 9 dollars a month for the 'service' and 5 a month for the box..
[15:09:42] geemark: is a 500 mhz, 256 mb ram sufficient to record and software-encode a showing?
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[15:14:06] null_: geemark: software enconding in real-time? probably not.
[15:14:16] GrumpyOldMan: anyone know why if i start mythbackend from command line the encoders show up as local but come up as remote from /etc/init.d/mythbackend
[15:14:29] null_: geemark: only if you have a card that you get mpeg data from, it could work
[15:15:00] geemark: null_: i don't think his card has hardware encoder
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[15:18:14] null_: geemark: which card have you?
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[15:18:58] geemark: null_: I think he gave me this link – http://www.tv-cards.com/pctv.php – as far as I can see, it doesn't have an mpeg2 chip
[15:19:17] geemark: null_: minus the "I think" part.. heh
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[15:24:04] GreyFoxx: geemark: That machine wouldn't be able to do it
[15:24:11] null_: geemark: you're probably right.. then it's not possible
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[15:24:50] null_: geemark: go get a wintv-pvr, they have an mpeg encoder
[15:26:47] stuarta: geemark: why do you even want an analog card?
[15:27:25] geemark: null_, stuarta: well, I have a pvr-350 and pvr-500 myself – just a jalous soul that found some old dusty hardware and wanted a mythbox too ;)
[15:27:31] null_: hehe
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[15:29:58] geemark: would 950 mhz with some 700 mb of ram do the trick?
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[15:39:50] GreyFoxx: geemark: That would probably be ok
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[15:53:24] Beirdo: Liberty can kiss my substantial ass
[15:53:58] stuarta: is it beer o'clock yet?
[15:54:12] Beirdo: are you awake?
[15:54:18] Beirdo: if so, it's beer o'clock
[15:54:20] stuarta: only just
[15:54:25] Beirdo: AM Ale :)
[15:54:44] stuarta: it's 5pm :)
[15:55:04] Beirdo: not in .au, so pretend you are in Sydney :)
[15:55:22] stuarta: s/pretend/dream
[15:55:28] Beirdo: heh
[15:55:40] Beirdo: how bad are the winters in Sydney anyways?
[15:56:31] stuarta: cold ones get to single figures (in centigrade)
[15:56:35] Beirdo: OMG is it EVER pouring
[15:56:39] Beirdo: that's not too bad then
[15:56:56] stuarta: nah, sounds like you are in a rainy season....
[15:56:56] Beirdo: chilly, but not enough to freeze the nuts
[15:57:03] Beirdo: heh
[15:57:12] Beirdo: in the tropics there are two seasons
[15:57:16] Beirdo: hot and rainy...
[15:57:20] Beirdo: and hotter and rainier
[15:57:33] Beirdo: we are in the second season right now
[15:57:42] stuarta: nice
[15:57:49] Beirdo: I want a waterproof laptop
[15:57:54] Beirdo: so I can sit out in the rain :)
[15:58:39] stuarta: just need a verandah / porch whatever you want to call it
[15:58:44] Beirdo: heh
[15:59:04] Beirdo: yeah, we have an awning over the first meter or so of the patio, but it's not enough
[15:59:15] sharkhat: where in the tropics? hawaii?
[15:59:24] Beirdo: Puerto Rico
[16:00:11] sharkhat: neato
[16:00:32] Beirdo: it's nice here, never have to see snow again
[16:00:47] sharkhat: the not-quite-american-state-that-is-taxed-and-can-be-in-military-but-cant-vote
[16:00:50] sharkhat: plcae
[16:00:50] stuarta: you sick of snow?
[16:00:53] Daedalus_: I bet you will miss snow in 5 years
[16:01:01] Beirdo: is taxed locally
[16:01:04] Beirdo: not IRS
[16:01:05] Beirdo: :)
[16:01:07] sharkhat: o ?
[16:01:09] sharkhat: i didnt know
[16:01:20] Beirdo: and can vote locally, just not for US president
[16:01:24] Beirdo: it's a strange system
[16:01:38] Beirdo: I might miss snow eventually, true
[16:01:55] Beirdo: I am Canadian, grew up in the snow belt... I'm glad to see the end of snow for a while
[16:02:12] Beirdo: get SO tired of shovelling that shit
[16:02:48] stuarta: at least now you appreciate a good rainstorm :)
[16:02:59] Beirdo: yeah, rain is nice
[16:03:06] Beirdo: as long as you aren't stuck in it
[16:03:18] Beirdo: we do need to get better drainage in our back yard though
[16:03:24] Beirdo: and now I can't mow the lawn today
[16:03:26] Beirdo: woohoo!
[16:03:43] Beirdo: laziness is rewarded by more rain
[16:03:55] sharkhat: do you reuse the rain water?
[16:04:18] Beirdo: not yet
[16:04:20] stuarta: i'm a big fan of sitting on the verandah, with a beer, watching it rain :)
[16:04:30] sharkhat: in hawaii they have collectors (i almost moved to hawaii) north side of maui (rainforest side)
[16:04:46] Beirdo: I should suggest it to the wife
[16:04:50] Beirdo: we have a distiller
[16:05:04] Beirdo: why not collect the rain to distill?
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[16:05:19] stuarta: fresh water is good for that...
[16:05:19] Beirdo: and to water the garden, etc (once we plant one)
[16:05:28] stuarta: and to drink
[16:05:47] Beirdo: yeah, but she'd want it distilled
[16:05:55] Beirdo: picky people, I know
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[16:06:19] Beirdo: I also want to get a solar water heater
[16:06:25] Beirdo: but they cost about $3k or so
[16:06:30] Beirdo: it's on the list though
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[16:08:28] Juski: goodamn PoE crap
[16:08:37] Beirdo: heh
[16:10:01] Juski: supposed to be a fscking _standard_ yet some manufacturer's gear won't work with others. nice & clever
[16:10:45] Beirdo: yeah, go figure
[16:10:54] Beirdo: seems DC power isn't standard enough
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[16:18:27] zoomorfo: hello
[16:18:36] zoomorfo: I have a problem with mythtv-backup
[16:19:11] zoomorfo: I try to run it, but it tells me "already running" when it is not
[16:19:41] kormoc: mythtv-backup being?
[16:19:56] zoomorfo: sorry, backend, not backup
[16:19:57] zoomorfo: :)
[16:20:25] kormoc: heh, well, it's likely a stale .pid file, what distro?
[16:20:30] zoomorfo: I'm using Debian Etch
[16:20:43] kormoc: I wonder if debian supports zap, try /etc/init.d/mythbackend zap
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[16:21:30] zoomorfo: but if I do a "mythtv-backend restart" it tells me there's no mythtv-backend running and acts like if it was starting normally
[16:21:56] kormoc: so erm, you might want to start at bootup, what exactly happens
[16:21:56] zoomorfo: no, zap is not in the options (I've seen) in Debian
[16:22:11] zoomorfo: doesn't want to start
[16:22:20] kormoc: and by doesn't want to start, you mean?
[16:22:20] zoomorfo: don't know why
[16:22:25] kormoc: what does the logs say?
[16:22:27] zoomorfo: there's no error message
[16:22:32] zoomorfo: where is the log?
[16:22:43] zoomorfo: /var/log?
[16:22:46] kormoc: /var/log/mythbackend.log usually
[16:24:26] zoomorfo: it seems a database error
[16:24:59] zoomorfo: QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
[16:25:03] zoomorfo: QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
[16:25:03] zoomorfo: 2006-07–13 18:25:11.448 DB Error (KickDatabase):
[16:25:03] zoomorfo: Query was:
[16:25:03] zoomorfo: SELECT NULL;
[16:25:04] zoomorfo: No error type from QSqlError? Strange...
[16:25:04] zoomorfo: 2006-07–13 18:25:11.503 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.
[16:25:18] ** Beirdo slaps zoomorfo with pastebin.ca **
[16:26:19] zoomorfo: sorry?
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[16:34:10] Beirdo: heh, annual rainfall in the north of PR... 161 inches (1.55m)
[16:34:11] Beirdo: jeez
[16:35:01] Beirdo: I think they typoed
[16:35:06] Beirdo: that might be 61 inches
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[16:39:20] xris: test
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[16:43:34] scopeuk: yay got a kvm at last :-)
[16:44:19] xris: heh
[16:44:43] Juski: save the carpet.. but a kvm switch-o-matic :-)
[16:44:48] Juski: s/but/buy
[16:45:12] ** Juski goes to cannibalise another 5v PSU **
[16:45:45] scopeuk: now does it go between server adn myht or myth and my second monitor
[16:49:59] ** xris wonders how many mythtv users are in SF **
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[17:01:15] alieas: has anyone ever owned a Toshiba DST-3100 DirectTV / ATSC / QAM tuner?
[17:02:04] alieas: I bought STB off eBay to compare my MythTV HDTV quality too, and seeminly am unable to decode QAM (so far)
[17:02:28] alieas: the Toshiba website clearly states that it can decode QAM and cable-clear-to-air signals
[17:03:53] alieas: http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/produ . . . del=DST-3100
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[17:27:58] Juski: time for home... done my job for the day. wooo
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[17:38:23] dtm: lol.
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[18:02:42] somazero: Hmm...I have a quick question – I've installed myth on a gentoo ~amd64 system and it seems there's no mythfrontend – it's also says audio is not configured, but the system's sound works in KDE. Any ideas?
[18:02:59] kormoc: somazero, emerge -pv myhttv and see what flags are set
[18:03:05] kormoc: and I'll brb, restarting xchat
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[18:03:46] somazero: kormoc: alsa dvb dvd lirc opengl vorbis
[18:04:07] kormoc: somazero, okay, and you don't have a /usr/bin/mythfrontend file?
[18:04:33] somazero: Nope, I'm re-emerging mythtv at the moment...but that file doesn't exist
[18:05:21] kormoc: somazero, strange... if it does it again, can you save the emerge output to a log?
[18:05:48] somazero: kormoc: Sure, no problem
[18:06:51] Led-Hed: Mysql has a Char VChar and a Text data types. Is one more beneficial than the others?
[18:07:03] Led-Hed: oops. Wrong channel. Sorry
[18:08:54] kormoc: Led-Hed, sure, CHAR is a fixed width string, VARCHAR is a variable-length string
[18:09:24] Led-Hed: what is the Text data type used for?
[18:09:27] kormoc: Led-Hed, so a string like "test" stored in a CHAR(30) still takes up 30 bytes, where as stored in a VARCHAR(30) it takes up 5
[18:09:49] Led-Hed: ahh
[18:10:17] kormoc: VARCHAR/CHAR only supports up to 65,535 where as text supports much more
[18:10:39] Led-Hed: So VARCHAR is better for storage and CHAR would be better for performance
[18:10:57] kormoc: margionaly, aye
[18:11:10] Led-Hed: ok, good to know. Thanks
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[18:12:31] kormoc: TINYTEXT supports upto 258, Text supports upto 65538, MEDIUMTEXT 16777218, LONGTEXT 4294967298
[18:12:43] Led-Hed: ;)
[18:16:34] Led-Hed: kormoc: if I defing a columns datatype as SMALLINT(3) which would = 999 if unsigned, does the column still take up as much memory if I don't specify the (3)?
[18:17:08] kormoc: aye
[18:17:24] kormoc: SMALLINT always takes up 2 bytes
[18:17:30] kormoc: see http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/storage-requirements.html
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[18:19:11] Juski: evenin all
[18:19:16] xris: kormoc: which is why I always thought it was silly to specify lengths for that kind of thing
[18:19:32] kormoc: fair nuff
[18:19:50] kormoc: I just tend to out of habit
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[18:36:22] melunko: xris: can I transcode livetv to MPEG4?
[18:37:37] Dagmar: If you have a 4Ghz CPU, sure
[18:37:41] xris: melunko: livetv is a recording like anything else
[18:38:29] melunko: xris: ok
[18:46:10] Juski: hmmm I'd better get designing my cd covers
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[18:54:32] peter_: Hello guys
[18:56:41] peter_: I am having mythfilldatabase problems
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[18:57:33] peter_: The only way I am getting info is running mythfilldatabase manually
[18:58:02] peter_: I am getting my guide through xmltv
[18:58:30] peter_: running through cron-job gives me an error 512
[18:59:25] peter_: through mythtv i am getting: "error occurred while parsing reference"
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[19:04:25] xris: odd
[19:04:37] xris: .19?
[19:08:52] Hoxzer: if generating mythbackend debug info with gdb does mythbackend crash as normal?
[19:10:36] Hoxzer: as atm it seems not to work at all but appears to run anyway
[19:10:58] Hoxzer: and it does generate anymore logfile
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[19:14:58] scopeuk: Hoxzer join the club
[19:15:06] scopeuk: oh sorry
[19:15:19] scopeuk: im ahvign sme problem as peter
[19:15:45] Hoxzer: well, actually I have been having this problem like few months now-
[19:18:40] GreyFoxx: Hoxzer: What exactly is it that you are unable to do under gdb ?
[19:19:26] Hoxzer: GreyFoxx: I dunno does mythbackend crash as normal if I run it with gdb?
[19:19:38] GreyFoxx: define normal
[19:19:45] GreyFoxx: it will crash, yes
[19:19:55] GreyFoxx: it doesn't "exit" like it does outside of gdb
[19:20:14] GreyFoxx: once it crashes gdb will be at a command prompt so that you can generate traces and debug it
[19:21:22] Hoxzer: well, when I do "quit" it says it is still running althought it doesn't appear to work at all
[19:21:43] kormoc: that's cause it is 'running'
[19:21:48] GreyFoxx: What Quit are you referring to? And what is telling you that something is running ?
[19:21:55] kormoc: just suspended at the crash time, so you can get backtraces and what not
[19:22:11] kormoc: GreyFoxx, in gdb, after a crash, at the prompt, it tosses that warning if you type quit
[19:22:20] Hoxzer: GreyFoxx: when I do "quit" it says "The program is running. Exit anyway? (y or n)"
[19:22:25] GreyFoxx: oh, duh yeah, brain block
[19:22:25] GreyFoxx: right
[19:22:28] GreyFoxx: HJox: That is normal
[19:22:30] GreyFoxx: and correct
[19:22:39] GreyFoxx: the app is still "running" just halted where it crash
[19:22:40] GreyFoxx: ed
[19:22:55] Hoxzer: oh
[19:23:07] ** Beirdo curses his ISP **
[19:23:19] GreyFoxx: when you are back at the gdb prompt it means the app has crashed or closed and you can now attempt to trace through it :)
[19:23:43] Hoxzer: and I automatically generates traces?
[19:23:48] GreyFoxx: no
[19:23:59] GreyFoxx: you have to tell it to
[19:24:04] Hoxzer: ok, how do I generate them :E
[19:24:11] GreyFoxx: and it spits them out to the console, not to a file
[19:24:17] GreyFoxx: so you will want to be capturing it :)
[19:24:21] Hoxzer: mythdocs says "ctrl+c"
[19:24:41] GreyFoxx: the mythdocs say use "thread apply all bt full" for generating the trace from the gdb commandline
[19:25:03] Hoxzer: http://pastebin.ca/87221 <- does it look like this?
[19:25:25] GreyFoxx: Yup
[19:25:33] GreyFoxx: Though there is likely a lot more of it than just that little bit
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[19:29:25] Hoxzer: GreyFoxx: so now the backtrace is generated?
[19:29:47] kormoc: Hoxzer, you see it on the screen, don't you?
[19:29:55] kormoc: Hoxzer, and no, it doesn't dump it to a file
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[19:30:40] Hoxzer: well, I can see exact same in gdb.txt as I ran few commands before doing this
[19:30:55] kormoc: really? i didn't know it did that
[19:30:55] Hoxzer: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 <- I followed this
[19:31:14] kormoc: ahh, yes, that would do it
[19:31:19] kormoc: the whole set logging on bit
[19:35:35] Hoxzer: mythlog: http://pastebin.ca/87226 and backtrace: http://pastebin.ca/87224 so it crashes while I record usually at the beginging of it
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[19:41:10] somazero: kormoc: Hello again! So, I emerged mythtv again, and it seems I have sound and mythfrontend now, however, I'm now having some trouble with my pvr-350 – Are you familar with the setup of these?
[19:44:06] somazero: Anyone using a pvr-350?
[19:46:32] Hoxzer: ;) thx for help btw
[19:47:45] Hoxzer: what if I post this to mythtv-dev?
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[19:54:06] Hoxzer: do you guys have any idea what might cause that mythbackend to crash?
[19:54:20] dtm: Hoxzer: and there's no log/
[19:54:21] dtm: ?
[19:54:31] dtm: Hoxzer: does your video input work?
[19:54:58] Hoxzer: http://pastebin.ca/87226 <- log
[19:55:39] Hoxzer: dtm: yes .... I can watch tv fine if it doesn't crash
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[20:06:33] kormoc: somazero, not too much really, but I'm sure if you ask specific questions, someone will answer
[20:08:03] dtm: Hoxzer: where'd you get this mythbackend? cvs or stable?
[20:08:30] Hoxzer: I compiled it from svn?
[20:08:35] Hoxzer: oops no "?" :p
[20:08:59] Hoxzer: 0.19-fixes it is
[20:11:06] null: What do I need to change when my remote only works when I started irxevent so that I don't need to start that?
[20:12:36] dtm: Hoxzer: why did you compile it from svn? why are you not using the stable release
[20:17:52] kormoc: dtm, 0.19-fixes is a stable tree, with back ported fixes from trunk, it's fine to use, as a ton of people are using it already
[20:18:17] dtm: kormoc: kthx
[20:18:25] dtm: kormoc: then why is it not 0.19.1?
[20:18:28] dtm: is that the intent/
[20:18:29] dtm: ?
[20:18:38] kormoc: dtm, aye, it's going to be released as 0.19.1
[20:19:04] kormoc: whnever Issac feels it's updated enough to warrant it.
[20:19:09] dtm: kthx
[20:19:17] kormoc: *whenever
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[20:20:19] RandomDude15: hey
[20:20:32] RandomDude15: how do I get the IR Blaster and Remote working in the PVR 150?
[20:20:59] Juski: try #lirc
[20:21:06] RandomDude15: #lirc
[20:21:08] RandomDude15: oops lol
[20:21:12] RandomDude15: forgot to type /join
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[20:24:02] RandomDude15: its empty there
[20:24:07] Juski: well here goes.. burning a master knoppmyth disc
[20:24:57] Juski: the irony of providing cds of a distro no machine on the stand will be running.. but hey
[20:26:44] Juski: eep. I've been dug
[20:27:56] dtm: Juski: on what stand
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[20:29:05] Juski: lugradiolive2006, a UK event
[20:29:52] Juski: seen a few comments lately both in here & on the list asking if mythtv is exhibiting anywhere. Why people don't just take it upon themselves to make it happen I dunno. Not that I did, but I was asked ;)
[20:31:04] scopeuk: Juski your goan have to run that by me again
[20:31:15] scopeuk: i jsut cant see you and knoppmyth in the same room let along the same sentance
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[20:31:38] Juski: scopeuk: MMV with knoppmyth. or maybe I just wanna spread the joy
[20:32:18] Juski: hell I'd do my own distro if I didn't make such a botch job of my own installs.. "yay! it works.. now leave it" :-P
[20:32:42] scopeuk: been there
[20:32:47] scopeuk: then i get bored
[20:33:06] Juski: seriously.. it was either knopp or mythdora.. and I at least have experience of knoppmyth
[20:33:28] scopeuk: me two for once
[20:33:29] Juski: and knopper has a forum for support & stuff
[20:33:37] nero: mysql, I hate you!! ugh..
[20:33:46] ** scopeuk hands nero a hammer **
[20:33:55] nero: thanks scopeuk ...
[20:33:57] nero: ;)
[20:34:05] scopeuk: yeh jsut makes sure you provide info on where to get suport
[20:34:16] ** Juski places the master cd on top of the spindle & prays he remembers to take them to work in the morning **
[20:34:41] scopeuk: duplication at work juski :tut: :tut: ;-)
[20:34:43] Juski: the URL will be on the cds
[20:34:57] Juski: scopeuk: we've got a robotic duplicator.. I'm providing the discs
[20:34:59] scopeuk: good good
[20:35:08] scopeuk: Juski i love those things
[20:35:26] Juski: I've even not taken the piss by making the print a full colour extravaganza
[20:35:38] Juski: oops I mean _not_ making it one
[20:35:38] scopeuk: i thought about offering to run off some knoppmyth discs for lug but i though hmm juskis going last i can remember hed liek to see it gone
[20:35:54] scopeuk: lol
[20:36:16] Juski: heh. it burns, it prints.. I hope it takes less than 2 hours to run off 100
[20:36:32] scopeuk: minute a disc near enough
[20:36:35] scopeuk: hmm will be close
[20:36:52] Juski: so I'll be late in from work again
[20:37:19] scopeuk: harsh
[20:37:29] Juski: fuck. still haven't sorted the casing for the IR receiver yet
[20:37:37] Juski: bah. manana!
[20:38:26] scopeuk: lol
[20:38:40] Juski: tic-tac boxes would be handy.. sprayed, masking orf a little window
[20:38:54] scopeuk: nice concept
[20:40:11] Juski: I went to Maplin at lunchtime.. omg. "have you got any little plastic boxes with IR windows in them?" "eh????" "how about IR plastic film then?" ... "uhhhhh what?"
[20:40:46] Juski: I seriously think they've got out of the electronic component biz now
[20:41:15] scopeuk: your lucky if you can get an LED without a large lump of suspicios metal
[20:41:33] Juski: "is it for under your car?"
[20:41:33] scopeuk: they are useless
[20:42:04] Juski: but hey – if ever I want some poncy lights for a party I know where to go
[20:42:18] scopeuk: lol
[20:43:09] scopeuk: bbiab
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[20:56:38] j2^: Good evening all!
[20:57:41] j2^: I am trying to find a changechannel script that would get the FreqID of a channel, and then loop through the string and execute one command per character. Is there such a thing?
[20:58:09] Juski: erm.. what for?
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[20:58:28] Juski: oh you mean to 'zap' one digit at a time?
[20:58:33] j2^: Juski: Yeah.
[20:58:50] Juski: FYI, the parameter passed to the changer script is already the freqid
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[20:59:12] j2^: Juski: I bought an "LAN Controller" from IRtrans.com, and the client included can only transmit one char. Yes, the API allows more complex stuff, but why bother? :)
[21:00:01] Juski: so just make a perl or bash script to strip off one char at a time & send that to the 'lan controller' script
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[21:00:25] j2^: Juski: Yes... but 1) I an not much (at all) of a coder, and 2) i was guessing someone already had done that :)
[21:00:37] Juski: about 4 hours before I finished making my own changer script I didn't know any PERL at all
[21:01:34] kormoc: j2^, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/refcards.html#AEN19003
[21:01:54] Juski: and I'll happily admit I ain't much of a coder :)
[21:02:19] j2^: so, by default, the first arg passed is FreqID?
[21:02:57] Juski: the only arg AFAIK
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[21:04:12] Juski: look at section 9 on this page: http://www.eggshellskull.com/lirc/multi/index.php
[21:05:37] j2^: Hm, my VMWare server just crashed....
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[21:10:53] j2^: ..*ahem* expired rather :)
[21:11:28] j2^: Juski: Uhm..... why would that help me? I do not use lirc, nor serial ports :)
[21:11:50] j2^: oooh.. example script down on page :)
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[21:14:18] Juski: j2^: other people's scripts are always good learning material, I find
[21:15:13] j2^: Juski: Yeah.... and a ten second mod of that script, and voila... Works :)
[21:15:34] j2^: i really REALLY need to learn more shell scripting.
[21:15:35] Juski: "wah! I can't code.." ;-)
[21:15:58] j2^: Juski: FOr some reason i was under the impressiuon that the hooks in myth was "PERL only"....
[21:16:12] Juski: nah you can use anything you like
[21:16:34] j2^: But, mind you, the IRTrans hardware was a bit pricey... but i have seriously never seen such competent IR-hardware.
[21:16:45] Juski: I should think so
[21:17:03] Juski: does it send you a response to indicate it's done what you asked it to?
[21:17:14] j2^: Now all i need is the replacvement AV-out cable for my PVR-350.
[21:17:17] Juski: what's the homepage again?
[21:17:20] j2^: irtrans.com
[21:17:32] j2^: Juski: Yeah, or rather, RC 0 means "All be well".
[21:17:56] j2^: else it tells you usefull stuff like "No such remote" "no such command" "no response from controller".
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[21:18:15] j2^: (trust me... i saw them all setting the stuff up without first RTFM)
[21:18:48] Juski: god that IS expensive
[21:19:47] j2^: Yeah.. LAN Controller + Display Module + 4 x 40 Display *ahem*
[21:20:11] Juski: actually no it's not that bad, the IRT_LAN_MOD thingy
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[21:21:05] Juski: wonder which micro they used...
[21:21:15] j2^: Oh, he has that listed on the page... hangon.
[21:21:26] j2^: Atmel Mega16/162 Microcontroller.
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[21:25:02] Juski: they must have a lan controller ic in there too.. now it's sounding cheaper
[21:26:47] j2^: The thing with the LAN Controller unit is that it has: 4 internal IR Leds, 38 and 455kHz sampling. Connectors for four external LED arrays (Zoned), 4 generic relay inputs and 4 generic relay outputs, and a 2-wire bus for other modules.
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[21:27:52] j2^: ....if only it had PoE as well :)
[21:28:23] j2^: "Freescale MC9S12NE64. 64K Freescale LAN Microcontroller handling the TCP/IP stack"
[21:28:51] j2^: Oh, its actually a "AMTel Mega64" in the LAN Controller, all other devices use the Mega16.
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[21:29:32] j2^: ...and a pretty large FLASH-mem for storing IR-codes.
[21:29:45] Juski: j2^: you do know that 4 wires on 100-base ethernet aren't normally used don't you? ;-)
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[21:30:10] RandomDude15: hey
[21:30:16] RandomDude15: any idea getting the remote to work in mythtv?
[21:30:19] j2^: Juski: Yeah, but i would still need a power supply in my closet. I do have a PoE-switch in there :)
[21:30:20] Juski: you can easily convert a cable to inject/remove power from ethernet cables
[21:31:00] Juski: RandomDude15: totally. I've got 3 different frontends and all have working remotes. thanks for asking
[21:31:29] RandomDude15: how do I get it to work? gotta install anything for it?
[21:31:42] Juski: lirc, for starters
[21:31:54] RandomDude15: working on using this howto
[21:32:00] RandomDude15: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=17
[21:32:06] RandomDude15: for the remote and blaster
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[21:34:24] Juski: right, so what is it you're having a problem with?
[21:34:44] RandomDude15: and I installed the lirc package
[21:34:49] RandomDude15: in synaptic
[21:34:51] RandomDude15: too
[21:34:54] RandomDude15: and no remote working in mythtv
[21:35:07] Juski: slow down
[21:35:14] Juski: have you tested the remote with irw?
[21:35:30] RandomDude15: no
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[21:36:04] DrMitch: does anyone record the daily show with jon stewart?
[21:36:21] Juski: no, we won't share the file for you ;-)
[21:36:43] DrMitch: no, i wanna know what setting you're using to record it
[21:37:06] DrMitch: i try recording "one showing daily" but it records a rerun
[21:37:25] DrMitch: and i wanna know what you do to record it for the correct date
[21:37:28] Juski: ahh. that's what I use but its only shown once a day
[21:38:22] DrMitch: it doesn't come on at 4, 6, and 8 or something for you?
[21:38:30] DrMitch: (my timezone)
[21:38:36] Juski: what's your 'check for duplicates' method?
[21:38:54] sphery: DrMitch: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/153872#153872
[21:39:12] Juski: DrMitch: it's on at 8pm here in the UK, sometimes later
[21:39:33] DrMitch: match duplicates using subtitle and description
[21:40:02] DrMitch: ahha this is exactly what i need, thanks sphery
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[21:40:18] Juski: hmmm I was wrong.. it's on twice a night here
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[21:42:52] j2^: Juski: Cool, i can actually call the LAN Controller directly: http://192.168.0.82/send.htm?remote=comhem&command=1 Dang, thats a pretty impressive piece of hardware :)
[21:43:32] DrMitch: maybe i should just get 2 tv tuners
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[21:46:21] dtm: j2^: what's a lan controller
[21:46:44] j2^: dtm: http://www.irtrans.de/en/shop/lancontrol.php
[21:47:10] j2^: dtm: and http://www.irtrans.de/en/technicalinfo/lancontrol.php
[21:49:01] dtm: j2^: so it's a tcpip-to-IR adaptor? like a usb lirc device?
[21:49:11] dtm: j2^: you're using that to control your tv?
[21:49:13] j2^: dtm: Yeah.. but "on steroids".
[21:49:35] j2^: dtm: Just got the hardware today, primarily it will drive the STB and a 4x40 VFD DIsplay.
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[21:53:17] dtm: :-.
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[21:53:39] Mattwj2005: hey guys
[21:57:18] DrMitch: yo
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[22:05:09] Mattwj2005: what is going on drmitch?
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[22:26:08] sphery: Anduin: You around/available for some MythVideo direction questions?
[22:26:45] Anduin: sphery: For a few minutes.
[22:26:48] sphery: Cool.
[22:27:09] sphery: Was wondering how far you've gotten on what sounds like a major rewrite ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/209295#209295 )
[22:27:21] sphery: Do you have any patches or "previews" of the code changes?
[22:27:32] sphery: Or is it still in the planning phase?
[22:27:41] Anduin: sphery: A lot less far since my msntv box arrived.
[22:27:51] sphery: lol. Understood.
[22:28:05] sphery: I'm looking at adding code to allow specifying a trailer for a video.
[22:28:15] sphery: I was wondering if it's even worthwhile to do it now.
[22:28:35] Juski: nah trailers are never worthwhile.. they usually give the whole movie away these days
[22:28:38] Anduin: sphery: I have most of what will be in the initial patch there, just a few bugs to work out, some options to add, fix an infinite loop, you know, fun stuff.
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[22:29:06] sphery: Also wanted to add the ability to play back chains using media player playlists (i.e. instead of restarting the media player for each video in the chain)
[22:29:26] Juski: a few people have complained that the browsable flag now doesn't affect the gallery view if you have folder viewing enabled
[22:29:42] Anduin: sphery: Wait, I know I said I'd have the patch in long ago, I'm slow, haven't had much time to work on it lately (even msntv aside), but it is very close, and well, doesn't change everything, but changes enough that say, things like you last patch, won't apply.
[22:30:02] sphery: Cool.
[22:30:08] sphery: I'm not complaining about the time.
[22:30:14] sphery: Was just wondering if it's better to wait.
[22:30:55] Anduin: Juski: Everything will use VideoList now, the same filter will apply everywhere, and you'll even get folder without browsing files (if you want).
[22:31:11] sphery: Cool.
[22:31:17] Juski: cool! very nice
[22:31:29] sphery: So, would this patch still apply: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2040
[22:31:37] Anduin: sphery: Yeah, I have a note somewhere to send you an e-mail telling you to wait on submitting patches (I made if after I noticed your last ticket).
[22:31:47] sphery: OK.
[22:31:50] sphery: I'll hold off.
[22:31:56] sphery: Plenty of other stuff to work on.  :)
[22:32:04] Anduin: sphery: No, it won't, that code is different now.
[22:32:19] sphery: Wow. Some major changes.
[22:32:49] sphery: Too bad I only waited a month and a half after promising to look into that one.
[22:32:59] Anduin: All metadata and view related mostly, many files I didn't even open, but yes a bit.
[22:33:03] sphery: Had I waited a bit longer, you would have fixed it in the redesign...
[22:33:16] sphery: Cool.
[22:33:20] sphery: The view code was a mess
[22:33:56] sphery: Triplicate code designed without a lot of consistency. Definitely the started small and patched by several people approach.
[22:34:04] sphery: Glad you got a chance to do a refactor.
[22:34:31] Anduin: Yeah, well, wait until you see the patch (I'll be creating a ticket, get a few people to try it, them commit it).
[22:35:18] sphery: I'll be one of the first to test it for you.
[22:35:58] sphery: I look forward to seeing it. (But I /can/ wait to see it.  ;)
[22:36:02] Anduin: On the bright side I may have broken the msntv box so I may have more time.
[22:36:11] sphery: Cool.
[22:36:13] sphery: I mean. Sorry.
[22:36:41] sphery: Now to figure out what to spend my Myth time on.
[22:36:48] sphery: Perhaps watching my backlog of recordings.  :)
[22:37:12] Mattwj2005: so do you guys think a 300 GB HD will work in a 800 Mhz system?
[22:37:16] Anduin: Just record more shows you can just listen to, and do both.
[22:37:29] sphery: Mattwj2005: Yep.
[22:37:32] kormoc: Mattwj2005, in linux? yes
[22:38:00] sphery: Anduin: My CPU doesn't do multi-tasking.
[22:38:08] sphery: It's either/or
[22:38:42] Anduin: I put all the fake news shows on in the background at 2X and play with myth.
[22:38:45] sphery: Mattwj2005: I had a 160GB in a Pentium 100MHz/MMX that had a 2GiB limit in the BIOS.
[22:39:04] sphery: (Until lightning blew up the Pentium...)
[22:39:14] sphery: Wow.
[22:39:15] sphery: 2x
[22:39:20] sphery: That's impressive.
[22:39:23] Mattwj2005: did you need to do anything special?
[22:39:35] kormoc: Mattwj2005, you see, as long as you can boot off of it, linux doesn't care about what the bios says, it'll redetect it as the proper size
[22:39:37] sphery: I watch most everything at 1.75x, but it requires 100% concentration to get anything out of it.
[22:39:58] Anduin: sphery: It is sad when you go looking to make is faster, I had to work up to 2X.
[22:40:11] sphery: Mattwj2005: If you're using it as a secondary disk (i.e. not root and not boot), just mark it as "No drive" in the BIOS.
[22:40:31] Mattwj2005: it'll have to be my primary drive
[22:41:13] sphery: Mattwj2005: If you're planning to boot off it, just tell the BIOS it's a 2GiB drive and make sure you put a small /boot partition at the beginning of the disk (I usually do 8, 16, or 24 MiB at the beginning).
[22:41:14] sapbeast: sphery: yeah the kernel could care less what controller you are using most of the time, since it does not touch the bios
[22:41:40] Mattwj2005: awesome
[22:41:44] sapbeast: well thats where you have the problem of the "1024 cylinder" limit, i had that on my old old computer
[22:42:33] sphery: Oh, and Mattwj2005, whatever you do, do /not/ install the translation utilities/disk manager that comes with the hard drive.
[22:42:40] Mattwj2005: actually I'll be installing knoppmyth
[22:42:45] sapbeast: omg i remember those
[22:42:48] Mattwj2005: ok
[22:42:55] sapbeast: i had to use that for my 1.2 gig drive in my 486
[22:43:06] LabMonkey: oh yeah
[22:43:09] sphery: Mattwj2005: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.4
[22:43:14] LabMonkey: those were the days
[22:43:24] dtm: isn't m1v supposed to do better quality at lower bitrates like 1150 kbps than m2v does?
[22:43:42] sphery: Mattwj2005: "There is an industry convention to give C/H/S=16383/16/63 for disks larger than 8.4 GB, and the disk size can no longer be read off from the C/H/S values reported by the disk."
[22:43:43] sapbeast: dtm: not by a long shot
[22:43:52] sphery: Put that in the BIOS for the disk and you should be able to boot it.
[22:43:59] dtm: sapbeast: is there no condition where m1v can have better quality than m2v?
[22:44:23] dtm: sapbeast: other than perhaps the fact that m1v takes less raw cpu to decode
[22:44:38] sapbeast: dtm: m1v is mpeg-1 which is what was the standard for VCD's back in teh day, 1150kbit was the fixed rate if i remember or something around that
[22:45:01] sapbeast: dtm: even my old p3 700 takes less than 20% to decode mpeg-2
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[22:45:04] dtm: sapbeast: yeah i know.
[22:45:34] sapbeast: the only time you would have to worry about mpeg-2 being slow is like on an original celeron or something < 300mhz
[22:45:37] dtm: none of that is relevant to the question ^_^
[22:45:44] sapbeast: and why are you using something like that anyways!
[22:45:46] dtm: yes, that is relevant, and hence the question
[22:46:21] dtm: because.
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[22:46:51] sapbeast: well yeah... i say that while im trying to install gentoo on this boat anchor (literally) here at work
[22:47:13] sapbeast: dual pentium pro 200mhz... slow is a kind way to describe it
[22:47:24] dtm: well yeah because you're abusing it by compiling things for no reason
[22:47:33] dtm: by contrast, my application is actually based in reason
[22:47:36] Mattwj2005: so what is the next limit after 187 Gb?
[22:47:48] Mattwj2005: *137 GB
[22:48:11] sapbeast: dtm: you have to compile maybe 3 things total to make a bootable system out "of the box"
[22:48:13] dtm: Mattwj2005: i see ads for firewire enclosures which say that they support 500 GB hard drives so i wonder if it's around there
[22:48:33] Mattwj2005: actually I found it 2 TB
[22:48:45] sapbeast: the 48-bit lba limit is 137 gigs
[22:48:49] kormoc: TA/ATAPI-6 standard defines a method to provide a total capacity for a device of 144 petabytes,
[22:48:52] dtm: Mattwj2005: or maybe that's just because that was the biggest size of hd when the thing was made
[22:48:58] kormoc: *ATA/ATAPI-6
[22:49:02] dtm: sapbeast: no it's beyond that, because my 200GB uses lba48
[22:49:06] sapbeast: or at least, over 137 gigs you need it
[22:49:07] Cardoe: anyone have a LCD screen?
[22:49:11] Mattwj2005: 2 TB isn't too far down the road
[22:49:14] Cardoe: that they use with mythlcdserver?
[22:49:16] kormoc: Mattwj2005, that's not a drive limit, that's a os limit
[22:49:17] dtm: sapbeast: yeah.
[22:49:22] Mattwj2005: oh ok
[22:49:37] dtm: Mattwj2005: it's a limit of msdos partition table so you can just not use that partition table format.
[22:49:39] Juski: Cardoe: I toyed with the idea, then I RTFM & saw how hairy it looked
[22:49:47] Cardoe: Juski: ?
[22:49:57] Cardoe: all I did was setup lcdproc
[22:50:01] kormoc: "his limit will be at 2.2 terabytes (2,200 gigabytes). This barrier exists because many of today's operating systems are based on 32-bit addressing. (Windows XP/64-bit also has the limit because of leveraged 32-bit code)"
[22:50:05] Mattwj2005: oh crap...I was planning of having a 2 TB msdos system :P
[22:50:06] Cardoe: and enable LCD in the myth compile
[22:50:20] Juski: Cardoe: well, I found an LCD module & was trying to work out what controller it used ;-)
[22:50:24] sapbeast: dos has trouble seeing past 2 gigs anyways
[22:50:28] Cardoe: only there's an issue
[22:50:40] Cardoe: myth prints on the bottom line "y" with the two dots over it
[22:50:40] dtm: okay it looks like my 802.11b is sustaining at least 200 kBps in each direction concurrently. that should be enough for live tv at lower bitrates ^_^
[22:50:47] Cardoe: occationally it'll write the time there
[22:50:57] Cardoe: dtm: ha. have fun with that
[22:51:05] dtm: Cardoe: i most certainly am
[22:51:08] Cardoe: I don't think below 54g is smart
[22:51:13] dtm: i love it when a plan comes together
[22:51:39] dtm: Cardoe: well that's a matter of prejudice, so have fun with that
[22:51:44] sapbeast: Cardoe: precaution: most 54g devices are in the general real world speeds of 20–25 mbit too
[22:53:01] sapbeast: even on the bad ass cisco stuff we have id be lucky if i saw transfer speeds of 30mbit
[22:53:42] dtm: sapbeast: in what manner of topology or environment was that? line of sight?
[22:53:43] Cardoe: sapbeast: which is why I'd only go with 54g devices
[22:53:47] dtm: sapbeast: directional or omni?
[22:53:53] dtm: sapbeast: i'm just curious
[22:54:03] dtm: sapbeast: do you know what mW the radios were
[22:54:08] Cardoe: sapbeast: because in best case senarios you get 5.5mbit on 11b
[22:54:25] sapbeast: ghoa
[22:54:32] sapbeast: im being molested in replies
[22:54:43] ** dtm cues porno soundtrack **
[22:55:01] dtm: i can sustain 500kBps in each direction nonconcurrently, and this is very non-LoS
[22:55:07] sapbeast: Cardoe: no im talking on 54g, real world speeds are hardly even 40mbit
[22:55:17] dtm: this is through a house with many walls and two right turns down halls
[22:55:42] Cardoe: sapbeast: and I'm saying that is why I wouldn't bother with 11b
[22:55:51] sapbeast: dtm: at home i just use the +7 gain antennas, between 2 AP's i can get 25mbit copying files
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[22:56:05] dtm: sapbeast: LoS?
[22:56:07] sapbeast: Cardoe: ah i thought you meant that 54g was any better
[22:56:08] podzap: hi
[22:56:14] Cardoe: 54g is better then 11b
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[22:56:41] Mattwj2005: hey I got a question for you guys...
[22:56:43] Cardoe: I certainly get better speeds then 20–25mbit on my stock retail
[22:56:46] sapbeast: dtm: ... non line of sight... omnidirectional
[22:56:47] podzap: what are the minimum hardware requirements to run myth-frontend and play high-bitrate mpeg2?
[22:56:57] nothingman: hi, all
[22:57:00] Mattwj2005: can running a rc version of the kernel kill a motherboard?
[22:57:01] Cardoe: non line of site... stock Netgear wireless router
[22:57:02] nothingman: my mythbox has been recording funny
[22:57:09] Cardoe: Mattwj2005: shouldn't...
[22:57:23] dtm: sapbeast: through what? a house? a ton of big walls?
[22:57:35] nothingman: since upgrading to Dapper, everything is a bit jumpy when before it wasn't, and the sound is at a high pitch
[22:57:43] sapbeast: Cardoe: yeah it depends heavily on the router you use, some are better at raw speeds than others... but ill be damned if i cant be able to use dd-wrt :p
[22:57:46] dtm: Mattwj2005: no kernel is going to damage hardware
[22:57:49] nothingman: this is different from the time squeezing feature, which also doesn't fix my problem
[22:57:58] Cardoe: openwrt is the fastest for me
[22:58:03] Cardoe: I can upload from my laptop
[22:58:06] Cardoe: to my mythbox
[22:58:07] Mattwj2005: okay I just wonder why my motherboard died
[22:58:11] nothingman: I've noticed my hard drive is constantly going even when I'm neither watching *nor* recording anything on that comp
[22:58:13] Cardoe: both on 54g via a crappy netgear
[22:58:18] nothingman: has anyone else come across this?
[22:58:19] Cardoe: at about 3.3MB/sec
[22:58:25] sapbeast: dtm: i got 3 ap's setup now all in different rooms... you only have to worry about interference and walls if you live in a house made before the 50s
[22:58:29] podzap: can a 500MHz P3 run myth-frontend nicely?
[22:58:47] dtm: sapbeast: lol this is the place for grandiose generalizations ^_^
[22:58:55] dtm: of network performance at least
[22:59:05] sapbeast: Cardoe: im not doubting your capability, just im using linksys/belkin hardware and thats what i get... which is still alot better than plain b (just as you say)
[22:59:11] dtm: podzap: yes
[22:59:35] podzap: dtm: what about playing mpeg2 over-the-wire?
[22:59:47] dtm: podzap: codec is irrelevant; bitrate is relevant
[22:59:51] sapbeast: dtm: im serious though houses that are really old that used chicken wire before they used drywall are wireless nightmares... your whole house is a faraday cage and you would be lucky to get signal between rooms
[23:00:07] podzap: dtm: frontend doesn't need to do decoding?
[23:00:08] dtm: podzap: and whether you have xv or xvidix support in your video card is relevant
[23:00:14] dtm: podzap: yes
[23:00:32] podzap: dtm: it needs to decode?
[23:00:38] dtm: yes.
[23:00:58] Mattwj2005: is there anything in linux software that will kill hardware?
[23:01:11] dtm: podzap: your system is over the minimum for standard codecs.. it could play a dvd if you had a good video card and drivers
[23:01:14] dtm: Mattwj2005: no
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[23:01:47] podzap: dtm: i plan to stream imaged dvds, e.g not re-encoded.
[23:01:58] Juski: damn gaps in the channel logs again :-/
[23:02:01] dtm: podzap: ok so what's your video card
[23:02:15] dtm: Juski: then stay connected 24/7 ^_^
[23:02:33] sapbeast: Mattwj2005: the only way to kill hardware is if you had flashable devices and you intentionally try to fsck them up...
[23:02:45] dtm: podzap: but in any case just try it. you can adjust things to suit performance.
[23:02:48] podzap: dtm: haven't bought video cards yet with tv-outs, so open to good suggestions.
[23:03:00] Mattwj2005: nope
[23:03:09] podzap: dtm: boxes also have only 128mb ram
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[23:03:17] Mattwj2005: how about if I had some graphic card configured wrong?
[23:03:19] Juski: dtm: I like to switch this box off from time to time to save electricity. sucking 120W at idle from the wall isn't nice
[23:03:45] dtm: Juski: can you enable power saving? i'm going to get into that pretty soon
[23:03:59] Juski: dtm: power saving? I may aswell just shut down
[23:04:12] dtm: Juski: if you say so.
[23:04:12] Juski: suspend never fscking works right
[23:04:15] podzap: Juski: a switching power supply doesn't suck power when idle
[23:04:16] sapbeast: Mattwj2005: overclocking your videocard too much simply crashes it...
[23:04:40] Juski: podzap: it bloody well does when you've got a shitty athlon 2800
[23:04:48] dtm: podzap: how can one tell if one has a switching power supply?
[23:04:58] dtm: Juski: the kernel can sleep the cpu
[23:05:01] podzap: e.g. having a 500w power supply in your computer does not mean that it sucks 500w from the wall constantly
[23:05:03] sapbeast: Mattwj2005: at least from what ive seen its pretty hard to screw up hardware through software idiocy, but if you do stuff like take the heatsinks off or plug things in backwards then yeah :P
[23:05:10] Juski: dtm: 99.9% of PC PSUs are switchers
[23:05:19] dtm: Juski: oic
[23:05:21] podzap: it only sucks what it needs at any given moment
[23:05:36] Juski: podzap: I know that! my machine, sitting there doing fuck all, consumes 120W from the wall socket
[23:05:44] sapbeast: the only "difference" in modern pc power supplies are passive PFC and active PFC
[23:05:46] podzap: Juski: how do you measure that?
[23:05:47] Juski: powered on, doing nothing...
[23:05:58] Mattwj2005: I generally don't connect things backwards ;)
[23:05:59] podzap: with a multimeter, or what?
[23:06:06] Juski: with a plug-in thingy wattmeter gadget. not 100% accurate but still...
[23:06:17] dtm: Juski: can you notice it on your power bill?
[23:06:23] sapbeast: yeah you can get a "watts up" meter for $40, its a generalization of wattage used
[23:06:33] podzap: whaaaasup?
[23:06:40] Juski: at £0.08 per kw/h it adds up
[23:07:21] Juski: 24 * 7 * 120/1000 * 0.08 * 365 = ? too much money
[23:07:32] Juski: oops. forgot a *24
[23:07:43] Juski: no I didn't. bugger
[23:08:00] sapbeast: yeah hes not joking, a pc that sits at 120W idle is actually pretty wasteful compared to other devices in your house that "idle"
[23:08:02] Juski: and the maths is all wrong anyway. I've gone all SQL-eyed
[23:08:39] Juski: I hate to think how much power those SLI stupid boy-racer machines take at idle
[23:08:48] sapbeast: my UPS gives me a wattage reference of how much power im using... you dont want to know what its at right now
[23:09:00] podzap: heh
[23:09:26] sapbeast: 406 watts for 2 of my computers, and my monitor is off (im using vnc)
[23:09:38] sapbeast: it jumps to 550 if i use my athlon 64
[23:09:38] Juski: the mythbox pulls 120W, but I cant switch that off, not with a diskless frontend – plus I like to be able to schedule recordings at random
[23:09:46] podzap: i had 8 computers in my "office" room at home, just reduced it down to 4 yesterday.
[23:10:19] dtm: Juski: that frontend can have cpu idling
[23:10:23] sapbeast: my mythbox isnt so bad... i think it sits at 90–100
[23:10:37] sapbeast: but thats still a bit high
[23:10:42] dtm: mine is a 233 MHz g3 powerbook but i dont know how much that uses
[23:10:49] podzap: i have 5 of these P3 boxes, and they only have 90w power supplies in them. I hope I can use two of them as myth frontends, if the performance doesn't suck.
[23:10:51] dtm: i haven't enabled power saving
[23:10:54] dtm: i dont think.
[23:11:08] sapbeast: its this bad boy computer that sucks up energy like no tomorrow (athlon xp3200 with *7* sata drives, do i need to explain that?)
[23:11:09] Juski: dtm: the frontend is only powered on when I need it
[23:11:24] Juski: but the backend _needs_ to be on 24/7
[23:11:51] Juski: I could set up timed shutdowns & wakeup, but then every time I went to use the frontend... oops
[23:11:52] sapbeast: power saving doesnt do squat really, all it really does is put the computer in suspend mode which means nothings running computationally
[23:11:55] podzap: sapbeast: my new fileserver also has pentium 2.66 ghz, with 7 sata drives and 4gb ram.
[23:12:27] sapbeast: power saving on your disk drives is generally a bad idea because of wear and tear, you actually prolong the life of drives by running them 24/7
[23:12:30] podzap: sapbeast: and it's a pentium d 805 dual-core, which means it can be overclocked to 4ghz ! imagine the power sucking!
[23:12:52] sapbeast: podzap: i dont doubt it from the modern p4 servers we have
[23:12:59] sapbeast: at work at least...
[23:13:05] podzap: pentium d 805 when oc'ed to 4gz will take 260w for the processor alone
[23:13:20] Juski: sapbeast: most hdd manufacturers might beg to differ. maxtor & WD claim their disks aren't rated for 24/7 spinup unless they specifically say so
[23:13:45] podzap: Juski: use seagate barracuda
[23:13:48] sapbeast: Juski: that is correct, but really it means they do not guarantee 24/7 operation with thier standard OEM drives
[23:14:05] sapbeast: seagate NL25 series and WD raptors *are* rated for 24/7 operation
[23:14:17] podzap: barracudas are rated for NLS, e.g. meant to be on 24/7
[23:14:26] Juski: I know that but I'm not paying extra for NL drives. sheesh
[23:14:35] Juski: I'll take my chances ;-)
[23:14:55] sapbeast: Juski: yeah i rarely have issues with drives here
[23:14:56] podzap: Juski: 250gb sata barracuda ~80 euro
[23:15:13] sapbeast: the only brand i avoid is western digital (not thier raptors)
[23:15:18] podzap: i know, i got 7 of em in my machine
[23:15:20] Juski: been playing with 750GB barracudas.. they're nice
[23:15:23] sapbeast: ive had so many of those fail :(
[23:15:31] Juski: coolest, quietest drives I've ever seen
[23:15:47] Juski: and as for WD... I wouldn't have em for free
[23:15:49] podzap: when i run out of space on my 250s, i'll convert my raid5 array to use 750s
[23:16:08] sapbeast: its not that WD is physically unreliable, thier logic boards suck
[23:16:15] kormoc: you guys can mail me any WD's you get in the future then :)
[23:16:28] sapbeast: all my WD's that have failed were because of the logic board, electrical problem
[23:16:35] Juski: static?
[23:16:44] podzap: since 1993, i've only had either seagates or maxtors
[23:16:55] sapbeast: Juski: hard to get static zapped inside a machine, they would simply not start up one day
[23:17:45] sapbeast: and i took great care of them also... even so they would still get that eventual high pitched whine noise
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[23:18:01] RandomDude15: hey
[23:18:31] sapbeast: im not sure if its IBM mocking me, but my old deskstar 75GXP is 6 years old and not only runs perfectly but also isnt noisy either
[23:18:48] RandomDude15: I want to set up modes for recording then burning onto DVD.
[23:19:12] RandomDude15: like a 1 hour mode, 2 hour mode, 4 hour mode, and 6 hour mode.
[23:19:21] RandomDude15: to fit onto a dvdd
[23:19:23] RandomDude15: *dvd
[23:19:56] xris: RandomDude15: huh?
[23:20:27] RandomDude15: I want it to record into files to burn as a video dvd.
[23:20:37] scopeuk: ok hes talking about the export quality
[23:20:41] RandomDude15: yeah
[23:20:51] RandomDude15: I want it to record in the bitrate
[23:20:55] RandomDude15: for those sizes
[23:20:55] scopeuk: h ewtns to turn it down such that he gets certain minimuma amoutns of video on there
[23:20:56] RandomDude15: onto the dvd
[23:21:30] xris: RandomDude15: oh.. so low, high, default and live
[23:21:30] kormoc: RandomDude15, due to you needing to re-encode for dvd exporting anyway, why not record at a high quality, and then encode in the size you want?
[23:21:43] xris: but yeah, what kormoc said
[23:22:26] RandomDude15: hmmm k but I can tell it how long I want on the dvd right?
[23:22:42] xris: RandomDude15: now you're not making sense
[23:22:49] Juski: it's supposed to just requant everything to fit, up to a certain point
[23:22:51] kormoc: not really, you need to figure out the bit-rate for the size
[23:23:02] kormoc: Juski, hrm? what is?
[23:23:09] xris: RandomDude15: tuner card, etc?
[23:23:20] Juski: kormoc: mytharchive, IIRC
[23:23:21] sapbeast: just an fyi, trying to fit more than 2 hours on DVD usually results in crummy video quality if your doing straight dvd mpeg-2
[23:23:34] RandomDude15: yeah I know.
[23:23:44] kormoc: unless it's dual layer, then you can store double!
[23:23:55] Juski: sapbeast: couldn't agree more.. I've seen discs made by standalone recorders ;)
[23:24:17] xris: don't forget low-res dvd formats...
[23:24:27] Juski: 0.5CIF :-D
[23:24:29] xris: vcd quality stuff
[23:24:56] Juski: there are 2 words that don't sit well together. vcd & quality
[23:24:59] xris: heh
[23:25:21] podzap: so what would be a good video card to get for myth frontends (the planned box only has pci slots)?
[23:25:29] kormoc: 6200
[23:25:36] Juski: nvidia xx00
[23:25:36] podzap: nvidia?
[23:25:40] kormoc: aye
[23:25:46] podzap: ok, so it has a tv-out
[23:25:46] Juski: nvidia or nvidia
[23:25:51] Juski: or maybe a nvidia card
[23:25:56] sapbeast: VCD quality might as well be called "watching the tv through pantyhose is better quality"
[23:26:01] podzap: cool
[23:26:20] dtm: sapbeast: that's absurd
[23:26:34] Juski: yay I found the linky I was looking for. logging isn't borked/ ... twas the user
[23:26:59] dtm: vcd can have high quality depending entirely on the encoder
[23:27:05] podzap: shit, all new cards for sale are either agp or pci-e
[23:27:11] podzap: no pci cards on sale
[23:27:20] dtm: define "on sale"
[23:27:32] podzap: for sale in finland
[23:27:39] dtm: oic
[23:27:40] sapbeast: you... oh wait finland
[23:27:42] sapbeast: i was about to say ebay
[23:28:06] Juski: dtm: yeh.. for like a 5 minute long video
[23:28:39] kormoc: it's easy to get vcd upto vcr quality
[23:28:43] dtm: Juski: your experience is apparently not relevant.
[23:28:56] Juski: our digital tv stations in the UK go as low as 600kbits.. that looks pretty crappy to be honest
[23:29:06] Juski: depends what size screen you look at stuff on too
[23:29:19] kormoc: Juski, hey! that was my myth capture rate for a good long time! :P
[23:29:38] dtm: depends almost entirely on the encoder
[23:29:41] RandomDude15: if myth is recording a tv show and im not already watching it when it starts recording. I can start watching it while its recording right?
[23:29:42] RandomDude15: ?
[23:29:48] scopeuk: yes
[23:29:52] RandomDude15: good.
[23:29:53] kormoc: RandomDude15, yes, it's under recorded programs
[23:29:58] Juski: kormoc: aye but I bet your myth capture didn't go thru a bunch of repeated encode/decode cycles like stuff does on the Uk transmission network
[23:30:10] kormoc: Juski, very true
[23:30:18] kormoc: it still was quite bad tho
[23:30:27] dtm: Juski: they dont use satellite to the station?
[23:30:57] RandomDude15: k but I mean going into watch tv and start watching it from where it is on the tv
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[23:30:58] Juski: dtm: depends ... our cable feeds sometimes come from satellite feeds as mpeg2, then encoded onto the cable network on the fly :-/
[23:31:24] Juski: some stations optimize their streams before broadcast better than others too
[23:31:29] kormoc: RandomDude15, I don't think so
[23:32:04] Juski: RandomDude15: no you'd have to watch it from 'watch recordings'
[23:32:06] kormoc: RandomDude15, tho, you can always go to the recording page and fast forward to live
[23:32:23] kormoc: RandomDude15, down arrow jumps forward 10 minutes iirc
[23:32:37] Juski: otherwise myth will burp & tell you all available inputs are being used... (if all the tuners are recording)
[23:33:16] kormoc: Juski, I wonder, if you have two tuners, one is recording X and one is unused, and you enter live tv to watch X, what would happen
[23:33:18] ** kormoc ponders **
[23:33:47] scopeuk: id guess its nto been programed in seanes as you whoudletn do that normaly and hence will sue tunrertwo
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[23:35:38] Juski: kormoc: AFAIK it'd just go to the 1st available tuner
[23:35:53] kormoc: yeah, just wondering if there is a chance of a file conflict
[23:35:59] Juski: the fact I don't know for sure shows how much I use live tv
[23:36:04] Juski: ;-)
[23:36:59] sapbeast: i rarely use it myself and i have 3 tuners... id rather wait and watch it later completely time shifted
[23:37:07] sapbeast: so if i think the show is half assedly boring i can skip to the end
[23:37:52] BLuni: I'm very new to mythTV and was going to build a new box. I'm trying to keep it somewhat cheap, but I want the possibility of running two tuner cards (non-HD signals). What is important when picking a processor? FSB speed? More cores for more threads (will mythbackend benefit?). This server will only run the backend. Thanks for your advice.
[23:39:17] sapbeast: BLuni: hardware tuners and you can use a pile of crap as your backend
[23:39:49] kormoc: BLuni, just get a pvr-500 and toss in a celeron. Ram is important to a point, don't go less then 256, 512 would be nice
[23:39:51] Goose-BA: how can i make a 9gb file like 2gigs with pretty good quality?
[23:40:19] kormoc: BLuni, if you're gonna re-encode a lot, a 64 bit dual core proc could be worth it, like the intel pentium 805 or 820
[23:40:29] BLuni: sapbeast, kormoc: even for encoding? will it benefit from more threads? I was probably going to get the Athlon64 Orleans AM2 socket ($100)
[23:40:47] kormoc: that will be fine
[23:40:51] kormoc: just don't skimp on the ram
[23:40:59] sapbeast: BLuni: my system is an o/c sempron and even if I have 3 shows recording the cpu usage is under 5%
[23:41:02] BLuni: kormoc: also does 64bit matter much? is myth optimized to run on 64 bits if available?
[23:41:24] sapbeast: hardware tuners make the world of difference
[23:41:25] kormoc: BLuni, myth no, but encoding it does help a lot with (nuvexport)
[23:42:31] sapbeast: yeah transcoding benefits from a pretty bad ass machine
[23:42:45] BLuni: kormoc: so 512 ram is good, i plan on getting one PVR-150 for now and maybe getting a second later. I also plan on streaming live TV from that box (I won't have a TV in my apt)
[23:42:47] podzap: i am about to switch my 805 box from 64-bit to 32-bit, as 64-bit mode is freaking slow
[23:42:48] sapbeast: on a slow machine it would be just that... really damn slow!
[23:43:18] kormoc: BLuni, really, if you're gonna use a second tuner, just wait and buy a single 500, it's cheaper then 2x 150's
[23:43:40] BLuni: kormoc: i heard that the second tuner has "muffled" sound (read that on the mailing list)
[23:43:41] kormoc: podzap, ooh? why do you say that?
[23:43:53] sapbeast: word of caution, new pvr-500's use samsung tuners... not fully supported yet
[23:43:56] kormoc: BLuni, never heard of that complaint in here, most people seem to like them just fine
[23:44:01] sapbeast: they will be SOON
[23:44:19] Juski: folks, work is underway to fix all the pvr500 issues.. big turning point soon
[23:44:32] podzap: kormoc: i'm running suse 10.1 with xen, and xen machines don't seem happy in 64-bit mode, slow slow slow as hell
[23:44:35] Juski: they have a samsung tuner datasheet & now know what's wrong
[23:45:02] podzap: kormoc: outside of xen mode, it screams along pretty decently
[23:45:03] kormoc: podzap, of course, there is no VT extentions on the pentium-d 8xx line, 32 bit won't help that
[23:45:15] sapbeast: yeah i know you mentioned it the other day, just saying if you go out and buy one right at the moment you might be disappointed
[23:45:17] BLuni: kormoc: interesting. Any advice about an IR receiver for my computer? I can't seem to find a good solution for an IR receiver. I know I can do the learning remote thing, but I don't have an IR keyboard and don't want to buy one
[23:45:34] sapbeast: i just use the remote that came with my pvr-150 mce
[23:45:35] xris: BLuni: lirc.org has plans to make one.
[23:45:39] kormoc: BLuni, I really like the microsoft MCE remote to be honest.
[23:45:48] xris: mce remote is really nice, thougyh
[23:46:04] xris: even works better than my old rf one
[23:46:06] kormoc: BLuni, http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/cPa . . . ducts_id/130
[23:46:14] BLuni: i read that it wasn't supported (the receiver through the tv card)
[23:46:22] sapbeast: mce one is easiest to set up relatively speaking
[23:46:29] kormoc: that's an usb receiver
[23:46:33] sapbeast: BLuni: *usb* ir
[23:46:38] podzap: BLuni: this lady will sell you one for 12 euros -> http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/?partType=section&partName=buy
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[23:46:41] BLuni: excellent, i like the sound of that
[23:47:01] dtm: i really wish i had gotten the macintosh version of the WinTV PVR USB2 just so my remote wouldn't have a windows logo button on it.
[23:47:02] sapbeast: you still have to fart around with lirc to make sure the buttons are setup right, but i got mine working 100%
[23:47:08] kormoc: BLuni, it also has a learning mode so you can program the tv power button and volume controls to your tv
[23:47:09] BLuni: podzap: i kinda wanted to stay away from home made stuff, not that I don't trust people... ;-)
[23:47:10] dtm: they're identical hardware with different cosmetics
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[23:47:41] xris: kormoc: I still need to do that.
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[23:47:49] xris: although myth's volume control works well enough
[23:47:56] xris: what I need is a tv-vcr type button
[23:48:06] kormoc: heh
[23:48:08] Juski: dtm: rubbing alcohol & some caring mopping up does the trick to remove logos
[23:48:22] kormoc: my setup is simple enough that I'm perfectly fine with mine :)
[23:48:30] kormoc: Juski, not when it's a molded plastic button
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[23:48:37] Juski: ah
[23:49:00] Juski: I wouldn't mind a macro to turn on my telly, switch it to av2-s, turn on the receiver...
[23:49:06] kormoc: Juski, http://www.pcalchemy.com/images/microsoft/mce_remote/remote.jpg
[23:49:08] Juski: never got around to doing it
[23:49:12] kormoc: Juski, the green windows logo in the center
[23:49:19] Juski: eew
[23:49:31] Juski: I'd have a shot at reworking that
[23:50:02] BLuni: So for my backend serving up to 4 front ends at once (DVD ISO's vids, music, whatever my roommates want to stream from me) .... the consensus is about the processor is FSB doesn't matter, hyperthreading or cores doesn't matter, any processor i find on newegg will be enough. Now, :-) what if I wanted to have the possibility of recording/streaming HDTV.
[23:50:13] Juski: take it to bits, pull the keymat out, mask off the other keys.. robert is your father's brother ;-)
[23:50:49] kormoc: BLuni, keep in mine, mythvideo (the video player) and mythdvd don't stream from the backend, they are local to the frontend plugins
[23:50:53] Juski: BLuni: recording HD doesn't need much horsepower.. nor does streaming it across a 100mbit network
[23:51:09] kormoc: BLuni, FSB will help if you have a busy PCI bus
[23:51:14] sapbeast: BLuni: if your going to do several frontends then you will need some power behind it... now mind you that your typical cheapo system today is also 3ghz and you can easily get 1GB of ram
[23:51:15] Juski: it's playback that burns a lot of cycles...
[23:51:30] kormoc: but getting a server class mobo with more then one pci lane will solve that
[23:51:46] Juski: bah I've had 3 frontends running off my athlon 800 system no problem with sdtv
[23:51:47] sapbeast: PCI bus is 66mhz regardless... its been decoupled from the FSB for years now
[23:52:27] kormoc: sapbeast, realtively certain that the faster FSB will support higher pci-latencys and thus decrease pci-spinlocks, no?
[23:52:47] BLuni: kormoc sapbeast Juski: 3ghz it is then. Now I want to stream everything off the backend, I want very thin front ends (I don't want to install "that" much shit on my two tiny HDs on my computer). I thought myth could do this? no?
[23:53:08] kormoc: BLuni, myth streams recorded tv, but not dvds/video/music, no
[23:53:28] kormoc: BLuni, and the frontends need to have some heft to them, as myth streams encoded video, and the frontends will need to decode it
[23:53:49] scopeuk: or atelease a card capeable of decodign the streams in hardware
[23:53:51] kormoc: BLuni, now, you can say, nfs/samba mount the videos off of the backend so they appear local to the frontends, and do it that way
[23:53:58] sapbeast: kormoc: im not entirely sure about that but as far as i know since they started decoupling the PCI bus on newer computers (as in starting with the P2–350) it no longer really mattered... and by then pci chipsets are pretty much the same
[23:54:04] BLuni: kormoc: that's understandable, I was just under the assumption that I could store my media libraries on the backend and stream to the frontend, I'll have a gbit network.
[23:54:38] kormoc: sapbeast, could be, It's just how I thought it worked in my brain, but that doesn't mean it's right ;)
[23:54:38] xris: BLuni: only if by "stream" you mean "send over the network" (via nfs)
[23:54:58] BLuni: kormoc: the reason for distancing my media is I tri-boot XP, Vista, and Gentoo. NTFS read is fine in gentoo but sucks for writes. and all the OS installing takes up a lot of space
[23:55:00] sapbeast: BLuni: im not saying you have to buy a new computer, as in anything 2ghz or more is plenty for myth unless your only trying to *playback* HD content... im just saying that new hardware today is very inexpensive to be able to get 3ghz or more
[23:55:03] Juski: BLuni: you could run the frontends diskless
[23:55:12] BLuni: xris: yea, i plan on using CIFS shares .. ok i was worried :)
[23:55:15] Juski: nfsroot :)
[23:55:38] Juski: doesn't have to mean slower boot times either
[23:55:43] xris: BLuni: use nfs for linux.. less overhead than samba
[23:55:51] BLuni: sapbeast: yea i need a new computer, i don't have enough spare parts right now
[23:55:52] xris: not to mention it respects things like access control
[23:56:01] kormoc: indeed
[23:56:10] Juski: nfs-nfs I get reported data rates of > 9MB/sec
[23:56:50] Juski: not bad for 100mbit ethernet I think, and that's with a cheap-ass switch in the way
[23:56:51] sapbeast: BLuni: July 26th you will be able to get a dual core P4 2.8ghz for $112 (cpu)
[23:56:58] sapbeast: at least when they announce thier new pricing
[23:57:11] kormoc: indeed
[23:57:25] BLuni: xris: i planned on hosting things with CIFS because windows clients are afoot. This machine is also going to do a bunch of random shit for me (ftp, php, sshd, teamspeak maybe...)
[23:57:37] podzap: kormoc: do you know if a motherboard has to also support VT, or just the processor?
[23:57:40] BLuni: sapbeast: why on july 26th? :)
[23:57:48] xris: BLuni: no reason you can't do both.
[23:57:48] scopeuk: teamspeek now theres a server i havent abused in a while
[23:57:54] BLuni: heh
[23:57:59] kormoc: podzap, honestly, it should be just the proc, but I'm not 100% sure of that
[23:58:08] sapbeast: BLuni: thats the street date for intel core 2 duo, otherwise known as conroe
[23:58:17] sapbeast: hence they will be dropping prices on older p4 stuff
[23:58:21] ** kormoc nods **
[23:58:29] kormoc: conroe looks great
[23:58:37] sapbeast: damn straight it does
[23:58:40] BLuni: sapbeast: honestly with my summer internship i can't follow processors as much as I have in the past, that would explain it
[23:58:59] podzap: i can currently get an intel 930 with vt, for 181 euro
[23:58:59] sapbeast: BLuni: thats what were here for (at least those of us whos job depends on keeping up to date)
[23:58:59] xris: I never could. that's why I have kormoc to help me.  :)
[23:59:11] BLuni: haha ;-)
[23:59:23] kormoc: podzap, just wait a bit, i'll drop a nice bit :)
[23:59:41] sapbeast: man i so want to upgrade this system to core 2 duo, but i just spent alot of money on something else
[23:59:44] sapbeast: so i gotta wait a few months
[23:59:48] BLuni: so has that MCE remote been 35 bucks for a while... i should just buy it now...

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