Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, July 7th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Dagmar:

I gave up and just ordered a high-powered serial transciever from iguana-something or other

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Dagmar:

$30 to make the problem "go away"

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Dagmar:

Eventually I will get around to figuring out how to use the transmit functions

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Juski:

for usb you need... usb-rs232 chip.. PIC micro.. and a driver

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Juski:

diy is possible but definitely not as easy as a serial port jobby

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Dagmar:

Yeah there's some people who sell them, but it's all so tangled up in technical madness I just decided it would be simpler/faster to just pay for someone else's brain time and buy something simple

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Dagmar:

I'm going to have to go to Toys R' Us to get an acceptable housing for the thing tho

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Speedy2:

evilbuny: Does it have to be USB?

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Dagmar:

Yeah if you have an open serial port you might as well use it

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evilbuny:

Speedy2: no serial ports

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Juski:

Dagmar: saw someone had used an old mouse... a bit big but not offensive

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Dagmar:

Juski: I'm going to get one of those cheap-ass toy robots, saw the face off and epoxy it to a pair of the 5.25 bay panels, and stick the elements in it's eyes

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Speedy2:

evilbuny: You could try a USB<-->Serial adaptor and a circuit from lirc.org ; I doubt it will work since the DCD or whatever lines one typically needs aren't directly accessible

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evilbuny:

the other option is I have directv d11–100 boxes and they have USB ports, I'm wondering if usb host-to-host cable will work

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Speedy2:

evilbuny: you SURE You have no serial ports? Modern MBs have them but you might need a dongle cbale

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Juski:

Speedy2: I doubt that would work at all

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Dagmar:

evilbuny: In theory it might but I've seen nothing to indicate any support for that exists in lirc or myth

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Juski:

(the usb/serial thing)

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evilbuny:

Dagmar: I saw usb->serial adapters on the port works

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evilbuny:

then you need a null modem cable and another usb->serial

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Dagmar:

USB<->serial adapters will *not* work

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Dagmar:

...because they're almost all USB RS232 adapters, and lirc is *not* doing RS232.

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evilbuny:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Controll . . . _D11_via_USB

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Dagmar:

It's polling and poking at the lines directly.

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Juski:

blech... I can go as low as 8MB videoRAM... bugger

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Juski:

but... 16MB free is better that nothing

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Dagmar:

Wow. If he's gotten it to work he should tell the lirc guys

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Juski:

oh fuck. x crashy crashy

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Dagmar:

Their docs are pretty explicit about why the adapters wont' generally work

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Dagmar:

It could be that they're operating on old/stale information.

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evilbuny:

This page was last modified 20:30, 4 July 2006.

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Juski:

lordy lordy... Jul 7 00:58:30 s100 user.warn kernel: RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024 blocksize. is _that where it's all gone?

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Dagmar:

OH I see why

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

They're using serial output on the PC, going *to* a USB port

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evilbuny:

yes

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evilbuny:

on the set top box

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Dagmar:

I thought you were talking about going out from the PC over USB

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evilbuny:

yes

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evilbuny:

I only have USB ports on the linux pc

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

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Dagmar:

That will likely be, um, unpleasant

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evilbuny:

i was hoping i could do something like linux -> set top

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evilbuny:

with just a usb cable

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Dagmar:

One USB host talking to another USB host is a whole 'nother ball of wax

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evilbuny:

yea

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Dagmar:

You could proably make it go, but you'd have to learn more about USB than you probably want to know

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evilbuny:

what i was afraid of

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evilbuny:

so I'm left trying to build/buy IR transmitters (3 set top boxes)

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evilbuny:

or 6 serial to usb adapters + null modem cables

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Speedy2:

evilbuny: What MB?

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Dagmar:

These things seriously don't have a UART on them at all?

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evilbuny:

eh?

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Speedy2:

evilbuny: What motherboard

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evilbuny:

Speedy2: the eh was for Dagmar

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Speedy2:

evilbuny: Eh?

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evilbuny:

the motherboard, not sure, we did have analog cable going into 4xpvr-150's

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evilbuny:

and they pissed my partner off so we switched

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Dagmar:

evilbuny: I can't remember the technical name for them right now, but every "normal" motherboard I've ever seen (the kinds that have all the ports coming off the back in a big cluster) has at least one serial port

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kormoc:

Dagmar, abit has a line of 'legacy free' motherboards, with 0 serial ports, 0 ps2 ports, etc. other vendors tend to have one or two similar setups

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evilbuny:

this has no serial

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evilbuny:

don't think it even has a block for ir

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Dagmar:

Well, $20 would get you a PCI serial port if nothing else

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evilbuny:

need 3

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evilbuny:

and no free pci slots :/

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evilbuny:

plenty of free usb ports though

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evilbuny:

8 or so, and only 2 used

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Aid`:

evilbuny: how many pci slots do you have?

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sapbeast:

what about usb serial adaptors

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Juski:

hmmm the /dev partition is 64MB in size... and only 22% full

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evilbuny:

4xpvr-150 + wifi

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evilbuny:

although I could run cat5 where it is now

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evilbuny:

hmmmz

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Juski:

that's enough for one day.. made some nice progress

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Juski:

let my brain cool down for a bit...

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bootleg:

i have mythtv working, and lircd (when i run irw i get output from my haup remote) i also have the lircrc file in /home/low/.mythtv/lircrc full permissions but mythtv doesnt budge with my remote – i even have irxevent running... any ideas?

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Juski:

bootleg: did you build mythtv yourself? if so, did you include lirc support?

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bootleg:

juski: i installed .19, the ./configure said lirc | yes – in any case i recompiled with ./configure --enable-lirc and same result

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JDStone:

when I cat /dev/video0 > new.mpg

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Juski:

verify that the button names irw spews out correspond to the button names in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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JDStone:

and then play it back, I get nothing

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JDStone:

just static

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kormoc:

bootleg, is your lircrc setup via program myth?

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kormoc:

JDStone, your card isn't working right

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Juski:

JDStone: static is proof the mpeg encoding bit works, so that's good... just means it's not tuned to anything I think

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JDStone:

i figured that, how do I fix it

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JDStone:

hmm

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bootleg:

juski: yep "Down" is what irw says and in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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JDStone:

how do I fixt it?

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bootleg:

kormoc: yep the lircrc i used is the one that came with mythtv – and it shows program mythtv

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kormoc:

JDStone, depends on the card and the driver, but yeah, I assumed you tried tuneing it, but if you didn't you might want to try that

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JDStone:

kowhat do you mean tuning it

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JDStone:

kormoc: what do you mean tuning it?

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kormoc:

to a channel

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Juski:

JDStone: assuming you're using ivtv and a pvr card... ivtvtune or something

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kormoc:

like to channel #3 or #42 or whatnot

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JDStone:

I have a satellite receiver and a PVR-250

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JDStone:

with ivtv

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JDStone:

it's plugged in via coax

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Juski:

JDStone:eeew

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JDStone:

I had this working before

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Juski:

why not composite/svideo?

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JDStone:

I don't know why it's not working now

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** kormoc steps back **

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JDStone:

well, I'll use svideo

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JDStone:

but I don't have a long enough svideo cable right now

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Juski:

the driver defaults to using the tuner, which if it ain't tuned to the right freq....

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JDStone:

the Video input in ivtv is set to "4" which is tuner 0

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kormoc:

will give you static

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JDStone:

Juski: correct, how do I tune it to the correct freq

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Juski:

I said... ivtvtune or something

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JDStone:

oh, sorry

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JDStone:

what freq do I set it to?

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Juski:

erm... what freq does your satellite box output on?

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JDStone:

channel 4 or 3

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Juski:

http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Ivtv-tune

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Juski:

done, done & done.. figure that out & you're sorted

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Juski:

the driver works, obviously cos you can see mush in the mpeg file

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JDStone:

thanks Juski

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** Juski is off to bedski **

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Juski:

night all

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JDStone:

do I want us-cable, us-cable-hrc, or us-cable-irc for satellite?

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bootleg:

do you need to specify --enable-lirc when you compile mythtv? the ./configure --help doesnt even show that as an option

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evilbuny:

Dagmar: hmmz, newegg.com has a 4 port pci card for $26 + $5, and mwave.com has usb to serial cables suitable for d11 for $8.91+8.91postage

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Speedy2:

JDStone: Try us-cable

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libolt:

well I got the transcoders fixed now, I just have to get my avermedia a180 hd card working properly

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JDStone:

ok

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JDStone:

thanks Speedy2

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D-side:

i broke the shit out of it again. :D

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libolt:

D-side: stop jizzing in your mythtv system

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JDStone:

I set the frequency to 67, because that's what channel 4 is

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JDStone:

is that correct?

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JDStone:

you think?

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D-side:

libolt: at least thats a problem thats easily understandable.

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D-side:

libolt: i booted a new kernel and upgraded ivtv. now i can watch livetv but cant record.

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D-side:

libolt: just. wtf?

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libolt:

yeah that is messed up. what driver are you using?

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libolt:

I mean version

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D-side:

0.6.3

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D-side:

from 0.4.5

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D-side:

i dont think its ivtv.

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D-side:

i can get output from both video0 and video1.

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D-side:

honestly though i don't know. downgrading didnt do a thing for me either, not even after a cold boot.

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JDStone:

still not working

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Speedy2:

JDStone: Can you tune other normal channels?

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JDStone:

Speedy2: what do you mean by other normal channels?

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Speedy2:

JDStone: If I understand correctly, you're trying to grab the output from you sat. box via coax?

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JDStone:

yes, that is correct

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Speedy2:

Ok...try hooking an antenna or something to the PVR's coax input and try to tune other channels, see what you get

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JDStone:

hmm, I'm not sure if we have an antenna

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JDStone:

ok, let me give it a try

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JDStone:

just a sec

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JDStone:

Speedy2: I can't test an antenna

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JDStone:

no signal

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Achew22:

um... I just wrote a init.d script for mythjobqueue and forgot to add the --daemon option to the script. now its blocking my box from booting. is there a way without using a livecd or something to either make it quit executing this file or to not run any of the init.d scripts?

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dtm:

Achew22: boot in runlevel 1

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dtm:

Achew22: are you using grub or lilo or what?

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dtm:

Achew22: do you know how to do runlevels

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dtm:

Achew22: redhat based distros have an interactive boot when you hit 'i'

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Achew22:

dtm: how do I do that?

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Achew22:

whatever i'll google it

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dtm:

Achew22: you didn't answer me

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D-side:

this i just don't get. livetv works, but scheduling via the webgui doesnt?

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Achew22:

dtm: its cool — is there a daemon option for mythjobqueue?

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DrMitch:

mythweb = SEXY

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Achew22:

DrMitch you have xris to thank for that

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xris:

huh?

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xris:

oh

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DrMitch:

really? xris made it?

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** xris prefers women over web apps **

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DrMitch:

way to go!

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Achew22:

DrMitch: you could thank him by paypaling him some $$$

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libolt:

D-side: is mythweb configured properly to change settings? Have you tried scheduling from the standard gui?

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xris:

Achew22: none of that

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Achew22:

damn

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xris:

I don't ask for money. isaac gets mad. heh

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Achew22:

xris: can I paypal you some money then?

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DrMitch:

dude, as soon as i get a job and pay rent, i will

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xris:

DrMitch: yes, rent is much more important.

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xris:

Achew22: if you seriously want to do something, http://forevermore.net/donations.php — keep in mind that charities need more money than I do, though

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JDStone:

I got it working! the video

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D-side:

libolt: i've touched nothing that should affect this one way or the other. thats whats killing me here.

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D-side:

unless.

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D-side:

i have a feeling i'm about to be very angry with myself.

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D-side:

xris: i have a question for you, good sir.

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xris:

?

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D-side:

xris: mythweb broken with php 5?

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xris:

D-side: shouldn't be

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D-side:

good, then i can look elsewhere.

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xris:

not since before .18.1 or so

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D-side:

thanks.

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Achew22:

xris: I'm fully aware of those charities, my mom is a an administrator girlscouts I have donated more time to charities than most do in a lifetime andI'm in highschool

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xris:

Achew22: then save your money.

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Achew22:

administrator for girlscouts*

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DrMitch:

how do i tell if a program has been transcoded or not? is there an icon it will have?

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libolt:

hrm I need to file a bug report with debian-multimedia.org regarding the myth-database package, I make it cry since my database isn't on the mythtv box

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D-side:

now this is a damn problem

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dtm:

Achew22: i can't find options for mythjobqueue. try google

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dtm:

Achew22: or mythtv.org wiki etc

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D-side:

manually scheduled programs don't show up in mythweb's Recorded Programs section, yet the schedule is intact, and from a frontend it shows an entry in the db, without a file.

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D-side:

i need to know how a kernel/ivtv upgrade does this to me. :/

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D-side:

or rather, what i thought was just a simple upgrade.

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Achew22:

D-side kernel upgrades rock drivers socks off and most of the time break them

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libolt:

the only time I had trouble with mythweb was when I moved the database to another computer and had to update .htaccess

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xris:

D-side: weird

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xris:

using .19.x, right?

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D-side:

yeah

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D-side:

i'm by no means pointing any fingers at mythweb

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D-side:

its just the easiest way to see the symptoms here.

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D-side:

i want to know why entries are going in the db but never actually recorded... trying to manually schedule now.

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xris:

oh.

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xris:

yeah, mythweb ignores recordings with no data because until recently the backend wouldn't delete them

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xris:

I just re-enabled that like 2 days ago

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D-side:

ah well that makes a ton of sense then

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D-side:

esp. since they'll show up in the drop down group listing, but not individually

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D-side:

heres where i'm stuck. if the entry hits the db, yay. it should be recorded. it isnt. first thought: ivtv problem. okay, why does live tv work then?

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D-side:

it being a new ivtv version, i dont know.

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xris:

weird

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D-side:

isnt it?

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D-side:

i suppose i'll go delete the cards and readd. wtf. i'm running out of useful ideas.

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D-side:

hell, i may have run out of USEFUL ideas 15 minutes ago.

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libolt:

stop kidding D-side we know you and usefulness don't get along :)

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D-side:

if this just started spontaneously working, i'm throwing it out the goddamn window

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** D-side beats his head against the desk **

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DrMitch:

so i'm looking at System Status, and I see that Transcoding failed for a recording, where are the errors logged to?

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DrMitch:

is the database logging the only way?

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GreyFoxx:

no,the apps also will spit messages out to the console OR to a logfile if you tell it to

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skone:

anyone using the pundit tv-out with knoppmyth

[02:26:12]

bilbravo:

My channel names don't show up in the program guide, or anywhere else... but they used to...

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bilbravo:

Does anyone have any ideas why this would happen?

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DrMitch:

mythfilldatabase?

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bilbravo:

i have listings

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bilbravo:

just not channel names

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[Yatta]:

evening ppl.... i have Mythtv BUT i live in jamaica and I'm trying to figure out HOW i can get channel listings?!?!

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[Yatta]:

any help? or sugestions?

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DrMitch:

move ?

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[Yatta]:

•DrMitch• Not possible.... :D

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DrMitch:

darn

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[Yatta]:

I see tvguide has the listings

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Aid`:

make a custom app that gets the listing from tv guide and puts it into the database :P

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[Yatta]:

i'm nowhere clost to waht u would call a programmer...

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DrMitch:

not a bad idea

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DrMitch:

[Yatta], send me the link to your tv listings and i'll take a look at it

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[Yatta]:

k....

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skone:

how can I tell what version of sis_drv.o I am running?

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[Yatta]:

i think with tvguide u may need to make up a accuont

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[Yatta]:

??

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[Yatta]:

I think i have everything runnign okay for now..

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[Yatta]:

lirc is cool.... and i have it so myth can change my cablebox.. but with no cable listings makes things hard :-(

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Freman:

Say I wanted to sign up to something like selecttv.com.au – would I be able to do this with a DVB-S card and CAM?

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enigmatic:

damn nick changed

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fnc1:

evening all.. im using a dvico hd card, and when i watch live tv, the sound is all messed up... kinda well no sound at all.. just d d d d d d d d kinda soundsing thing

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fnc1:

anyone have any idea what i might try...

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Mrgoose:

hmm im having some trouble setting up mythweb, it gives me an error but im a little unsure how to correct it

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Mrgoose:

the error says The database environment variables are not correctly set in the included .htaccess file. Please read through the comments includedin the file and set up the db_* environment variables correctly. Some possible solutions are to make sure that mod_env is enabledin httpd.conf, as well as having followed the instructions in theREADME about the AllowOverride settings.

[03:09:41]

D-side:

well. now that i want to kill myself, i'm going to bed. laters.

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opello:

Mrgoose: well, did you look in the .htaccess file, and see if things were set up?

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Mrgoose:

yea i just looked at it, but i didn't enable the .htaccess

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Mrgoose:

so that shouldn't be a problem

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opello:

i don't know much about the .19 mythweb, but if you're not using the htaccess it should be using the config.php or whatever it's called

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Mrgoose:

yea i looked at config.php too

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opello:

things looked good, i imagine

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Mrgoose:

as far as i could tell

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opello:

i guess try verifying them with the mysql client program, see where that gets you

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LoneShadow:

so anyone using mythphone in here ?

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evilbuny:

mythphone?

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dtm:

mythphone.

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LoneShadow:

yea mythphone :D

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Mrgoose:

my db* are setup correctly

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Mrgoose:

any other ideas?

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LoneShadow:

can you access your db from cli ?

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opello:

Mrgoose: not really – if you're not using the htaccess, try doing it that way :/

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Mrgoose:

LoneShadow: how do i do that

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opello:

oh thought you did that inbetween :)

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LoneShadow:

install phpmyadmin :D

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LoneShadow:

might be easier with web interface to your mysql

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LoneShadow:

Mrgoose: which distro ?

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Mrgoose:

slackware

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Mrgoose:

mysql -p mythconverg

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Mrgoose:

i can access it that way

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LoneShadow:

ok

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LoneShadow:

is this fresh install of 0.19 ?

[03:35:17]

LoneShadow:

or upgrade from 0.18 ?

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Mrgoose:

upgrade

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LoneShadow:

aah

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LoneShadow:

I heard its a lil messy :D

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LoneShadow:

something should be there on the mythtv.org website

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Mrgoose:

thanks

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LoneShadow:

they mentioned that the db structure changed from .18 to 0.19

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LoneShadow:

so you need to mess with the db

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russellb:

the db updates should be done automatically

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LoneShadow:

ok

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LoneShadow:

<- wrong person to ask about upgrades :D

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russellb:

LoneShadow: you using mythphone?

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LoneShadow:

trying to set it up

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russellb:

cool, what are you using it with

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Mrgoose:

where do the AllowOverride settings go?

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LoneShadow:

asterisk

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russellb:

yay (i'm an asterisk dev)

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LoneShadow:

cool

[03:38:23]

LoneShadow:

I have a wierd plan

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LoneShadow:

trying to use mythphone for video

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russellb:

should work :)

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Mrgoose:

does it go in httpd.conf

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LoneShadow:

but will try join my regular sip phone into this sip connection

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LoneShadow:

so in other words, I want 1st sip connection for video, the 2nd for audio

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russellb:

ewww ...

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russellb:

hrm.

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LoneShadow:

probably put both sip connections on conference :D

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russellb:

yeah, but MeetMe doesn't support video right now

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LoneShadow:

hmm

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russellb:

i really don't know any way for you to do that, not with asterisk anyway

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LoneShadow:

so what I really want to do is, recieve calls on my regular sip phone

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LoneShadow:

and if the other person has video, I should just click on mythphone and enable video for my conversation as well

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russellb:

yeah, that's not going to be possible unfortunately ...

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LoneShadow:

hmm

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russellb:

i don't mean to crush your dreams here, heh

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LoneShadow:

so sip video itself is two separate protocols for audio and video right ?

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Mrgoose:

hmm i said AllowOveride to All

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Mrgoose:

that worked

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russellb:

well, SIP is just the signalling. SIP provides information to set up two RTP media streams. one stream for audio and one for video

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LoneShadow:

Mrgoose: cool :)

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LoneShadow:

right, so cant I combine each RTP media from 2 different connections together

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russellb:

well, it is technically possible, but not with the current code

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russellb:

it would be possible with modifications to asterisk, but they would not be trivial

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LoneShadow:

so I was hoping I could create a conference call :D

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russellb:

heh, would be nice

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LoneShadow:

video sip conenction + plan sip connection

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LoneShadow:

I would assume ppl would video sip phone to call someone who has just audio

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LoneShadow:

or vice versa

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russellb:

yes, you can do that

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LoneShadow:

use*

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russellb:

but that's not what you are doing, heh

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russellb:

you want to combine two devices into one

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LoneShadow:

I guess, I cant make video RTP media join a conference call

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russellb:

the asterisk conferencing application does not currently support video

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LoneShadow:

right, it does sound a lil complicated to for video conferencing compared to audio

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russellb:

it wouldn't be terribly difficult to get it implemented

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LoneShadow:

bah, I guess I will need to get a usb mike for my frontend then =/

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russellb:

it already does talker detection

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russellb:

so it's just a matter of forwarding video frames from the person currently talking

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russellb:

but i digress ...

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russellb:

the easy solution here is to get a mic for your myth box, yes :)

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LoneShadow:

but you may have to multicast it to all users on the conference call

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russellb:

well it's just a stream to each user

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russellb:

all of that work is already done ... the conferencing application is doing it's work at abstracted away from all that

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LoneShadow:

ok

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russellb:

but you know, it's on a long todo list ...

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Mrgoose:

when i try to view listings in mythweb i get this error

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Mrgoose:

error string: SQL Error: Can't open file: 'oldrecorded.MYI'. (errno: 145) [#1016]

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Mrgoose:

filename: /var/www/htdocs/mythweb/includes/db.php

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Mrgoose:

error line: 360

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Mrgoose:

how can i drop my mythconverg and star a new?

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evilbuny:

use phpmyadmin

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evilbuny:

and fix the table

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LoneShadow:

russellb: maybe I will just stick with video streaming between my two msntv boxes

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LoneShadow:

and use sip phone for voice, the audio might get a lil out of sync, But I guess should be fine for now

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Mrgoose:

evilbuny: i would rather have a new one? cause none of the old recordings exist anymore

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Mrgoose:

if i drop the database and create it again, will mythtv fill the table?

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opello:

there's a script to run

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Mrgoose:

you know what its called?

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opello:

no, look through the tarball for a .sql; then mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg < /path/to/script.sql

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Mrgoose:

cool

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Mrgoose:

i see a mc.sql

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slugger:

Running recent SVN... just transcoded a recording using a cutlist from mpg2 -> mpeg4. After myth reports a successful transcode, I cannot watch the recording anymore. Errors I'm seeing from mythfrontend are here: http://pastebin.ca/81111

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DrMitch:

doh, guess i waited too long, mrgoose you'll lose ALL your settings

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xris:

DrMitch: mc.sql doesn't overwrite the db

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xris:

he'd have to do that manually

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DrMitch:

oh, i mean if he drops the db

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Tanthrix:

Ahh...the joys of logging onto a mysterious neighbor's unsecured wireless network..

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xris:

get off my network! ;)

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Tanthrix:

Hehehe.

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Tanthrix:

Logged into their linksys cable modem / router. Default password of course.

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Tanthrix:

If I knew who it was I'd tell them how to secure it, but I don't feel like tracking them down.

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xris:

heh

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Tanthrix:

xris: Out of curiosity, what distro do you use?

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xris:

fc5

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xris:

tried ubuntu on my desktop for awhile, but didn't like it

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Tanthrix:

I've been using mandrake for years but I'm giving ubuntu a try right now

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Tanthrix:

I get the feeling that Mandrake (Rather, Mandriva) is not that great.

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xris:

not anymore, no

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xris:

ubuntu, fedora and gentoo seem to be the ones with the biggest communities.

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Tanthrix:

I was looking into Fedora but something about it didn't strike me as stable, though that was a while back when Redhat / Fedora split and all that.

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xris:

all of them seem to work pretty well for their users... gentoo's definitely not for people who don't like to muck with low-level compile stuff, though

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xris:

there was no split

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Tanthrix:

Really? I thought it was just Redhat for a number of years and then they decided to make Redhad for pay and Fedora free.

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xris:

fedora was a third-party repository for redhat's free desktop version.. redhat integrated that with the free version and released it under the fedora name

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Tanthrix:

I see...

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xris:

redhat always had a for-pay enterprise version.

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Tanthrix:

What do you like about it over Ubuntu?

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xris:

all they did was kill off the $50–300 desktop version and rename the free desktop version as fedora.

[07:01:11]

xris:

fedora is the testing ground for packages that will someday be put into the enterprise version.

[07:01:27]

xris:

you can get the enterprise version for free (no support contract) as CentOS

[07:01:40]

Tanthrix:

Oh really? I didn't know that, interesting.

[07:02:03]

xris:

you can think of CentOS -> fedora as something akin to debian -> ubuntu.

[07:02:20]

xris:

and.. nothing specific that I like more or less. I just like rpm better than deb.

[07:02:36]

xris:

the tools/setup/layout that I know, etc...

[07:02:39]

Tanthrix:

Ahh, I see.

[07:03:00]

Tanthrix:

I've got a friend that runs Archlinux who has this crazed hatred of all rpm-based distributions.

[07:03:16]

Tanthrix:

Seems like it's the standard to me though, and it's what I'm used to.

[07:03:18]

xris:

fedora had a big problem with the third-party packager community splitting. for a long time it looked like it was going to create a huge split in the community, but it's been getting better rather than worse...

[07:03:57]

xris:

rpm and deb each have their advantages... rpm is a lot easier to deal with from a packager/builder standpoint, though.

[07:04:21]

xris:

deb would be pretty easy to fix up to match rpm's build environment, but no one seems to want to take on the job.

[07:05:00]

xris:

gentoo's in a class of its own. I'm actually pretty impressed with how well it works once you get it up and running (the lack of an installer and the mentality that there will never BE an installer bothers me, though)

[07:05:17]

Tanthrix:

I know diversity is what makes linux so great for so many things, but sometimes it gets overwhelming

[07:05:27]

xris:

yeah. it's both good and bad

[07:05:30]

Tanthrix:

All the hundreds of distributions, package managers, graphics libraries, etc..

[07:06:13]

Tanthrix:

I'm not sure what I think about Gentoo...I am definately a person willing to tinker with things until they are just right but compiling everything seems overboard.

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libolt:

at least we're not in the good ole split from libc5 to glibc that happened all those years ago, anymore :)

[07:07:13]

xris:

they have a binary package repository... the problem is that there is no installer. you get a boot disk and some instructions how to format, install kernel, build /etc/fstab, etc.

[07:07:39]

Tanthrix:

How terribly hardc0re of them.

[07:07:43]

xris:

yeah

[07:08:04]

russellb:

it's so l33t though ...

[07:08:08]

Tanthrix:

GUIs/wizards can be a pain in the ass sometimes, but if they are done right they can be quite nice.

[07:08:41]

xris:

a few of the core gentoo people seem pretty pigheaded about things.. rather than make it easy for 99% of people who just want a computer, they force everyone to do the hardcore thing that only 1% of the users are truly capable of dealing with.

[07:08:53]

xris:

redhat's installer kicks a$$...

[07:08:57]

russellb:

http://funroll-loops.org/

[07:08:59]

russellb:

:D

[07:09:37]

xris:

there's a reason that most enterprise linux environments these days use rpm-based distros (suse or redhat).. kickstart and anaconda just work.

[07:10:08]

libolt:

I've gotten all my systems back to Debian, ever since I first switched back in the slink days, I've gone and tried other distros as well as free and openbsd, for up to a couple of years and I always seem to come back to Debian. I had been using gentoo for the past couple of years on my amd64 systems

[07:10:28]

Tanthrix:

Maybe I'll have to give Fedora a try. For some reason I forgot that Ubuntu was based on Debian..I too am used to rpms.

[07:11:00]

Tanthrix:

I'm basically just installing on a spare drive I have to see if it's significantly easier / faster / ? than Mandriva.

[07:11:02]

libolt:

the thing that I didn't like about RPM was the dependancy hell

[07:11:05]

xris:

Tanthrix: best mythtv guide is for fedora... just search for "fedora mythtvology" or "jarod's mythtv guide"

[07:11:15]

Tanthrix:

Not really easy I guess, just so that it works.

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xris:

libolt: hasn't been a problem with that in years

[07:12:03]

xris:

for me, "rpm dependency hell" was *sooo* much better than "slackware failed ./configure missing dependency hell"

[07:12:13]

xris:

since it would actually TELL me what I was missing.

[07:12:29]

xris:

but since apt/yum/smart have been around, there's not really anything left to worry about.

[07:12:47]

Tanthrix:

xris: I got myth working just fine – it's getting xine going with XvMC that's giving me hell ;)

[07:12:53]

xris:

ahh

[07:12:56]

libolt:

xris: indeed, I've tried suse and the likes over the years. Well anything's beter than slackerware :)

[07:13:02]

xris:

never bothered to see if xine was using xvmc or not

[07:13:30]

Tanthrix:

I'm building a front end out of an old 1ghz system – uses 60–70 CPU with a GF4 to do mpeg2, half with XvMC

[07:13:30]

Hoxzer:

:/ is there anybody who has configured mplayer for tv-out that doesn't fit so well to the tv?

[07:13:57]

xris:

Hoxzer: you mean lack of overscan?

[07:14:08]

Tanthrix:

Hoxzer: Never done that with mplayer, but Nvidia has a nice overscan feature...

[07:14:14]

Hoxzer:

xris: no, lack of overscan kinda "too much" over scan

[07:14:42]

xris:

Hoxzer: that should be all in your tv out driver.

[07:14:44]

Hoxzer:

you see I used nvtv :( and it only over scans either too much or too less

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Tanthrix:

Hoxzer: Why not setup the TV out as its own screen in the xconf? Then you can just use the nifty slider in nvidia-settings to get it just right

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xris:

Tanthrix: could just use myth's internal video player instead of xine

[07:15:34]

Hoxzer:

xris: :/ yeah, but what I have heard overscan via xorg.conf only works for gf4 or newer cards and I have gf2

[07:16:02]

xris:

Hoxzer: ahh... yeah, you may just be stuck with the problem with such an old card

[07:16:06]

Tanthrix:

Hoxzer: You're right. I had the same problem. My GF4 is in the mail ;)

[07:17:11]

Hoxzer:

Tanthrix: : yep it just feels kinda annoying to buy new card if you bought that one in the sense that it would work

[07:17:40]

Tanthrix:

Hoxzer: Yah, I understand, it's definately annoying :(

[07:19:32]

Tanthrix:

LIRC isn't listed in Ubuntu's package manager. -1 points.

[07:20:32]

xris:

Tanthrix: pretty sure it's there somewhere.

[07:20:33]

Hoxzer:

Tanthrix: hmm.... :/ I see it just fine

[07:20:51]

xris:

http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_pac . . . ;release=all

[07:21:54]

Tanthrix:

Doesn't to appear to be in there by default – do I need to add another rpm source in addition to the default/

[07:22:41]

xris:

Tanthrix: yeah. you need to add the universe and multiverse repositories

[07:23:40]

Tanthrix:

Ahh, I see now. Should I have both the source and binaries enabled, or just binaries?

[07:24:46]

Tanthrix:

I imagine deb source is something similar to srpms

[07:25:03]

xris:

yeah, likely don't need the source

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xris:

ok, I need to sleep. later.

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Tanthrix:

G'night all

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys how is it going everyone?

[11:22:41]

gardengnome:

fine.

[11:22:44]

gardengnome:

:)

[11:22:45]

gardengnome:

and for you?

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Mattwj2005:

not too bad....working on getting a fresh kernel build to boot

[11:23:20]

Mattwj2005:

gardengnome any new projects?

[11:24:09]

gardengnome:

Mattwj2005: nothing mythtv-related at the moment. still having that dream where i'm gonna create a mythtv distro based on ubuntu

[11:24:42]

Mattwj2005:

sounds good

[11:25:25]

Mattwj2005:

you could call it mubuntu = mythtv + ubuntu

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gardengnome:

nope, it'd likely be MeinMythTV :)

[11:27:14]

Mattwj2005:

that works too :P

[11:32:19]

Mattwj2005:

yeah with this kernel build.....I am hoping for slightly better pchdtv-5500 support

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LabMonkey:

ok

[11:59:38]

LabMonkey:

this is weirdness

[11:59:45]

LabMonkey:

I'm trying to change the backend IP

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Captain_Caveman:

and?

[12:00:04]

LabMonkey:

it was localhost, but I'm trying to change it to a LAN IP so other frontends can connect

[12:00:12]

Captain_Caveman:

right

[12:00:28]

Captain_Caveman:

then what?

[12:00:28]

Captain_Caveman:

it's not changing?

[12:00:29]

LabMonkey:

netstat says it's listening on 0.0.0.0:6543

[12:00:30]

LabMonkey:

but nothing can connect

[12:00:34]

LabMonkey:

not even mythfilldatabase

[12:00:44]

Captain_Caveman:

stop mythbackend. then change the IP address in mythtv-setup

[12:00:52]

Captain_Caveman:

then restart mythbackend

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LabMonkey:

I thought that's what I did

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Captain_Caveman:

does /etc/my.cnf have skip_networking enabled ?

[12:01:51]

Captain_Caveman:

check that too

[12:02:14]

LabMonkey:

I can connect to the db just fine

[12:02:20]

LabMonkey:

both locally and remotely

[12:02:33]

LabMonkey:

it's the backend that I'm having trouble with

[12:03:09]

Captain_Caveman:

right

[12:03:27]

Captain_Caveman:

what I described earlier _should_ do it

[12:03:55]

Captain_Caveman:

did you change the IP address in mythtv-setup then go all the way through to 'finish' or just Esc out?

[12:03:56]

LabMonkey:

damn I'm dumb

[12:04:09]

LabMonkey:

in the mythtv-setup program... General menu

[12:04:15]

LabMonkey:

first page there are two hostnamed

[12:04:18]

LabMonkey:

hostnames*

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Captain_Caveman:

duh

[12:05:43]

LabMonkey:

hmm

[12:05:48]

Captain_Caveman:

good though eh?

[12:05:54]

LabMonkey:

can I not use FQDN for the address?

[12:06:00]

LabMonkey:

does it have to be an IP?

[12:06:09]

Captain_Caveman:

I always use IP addresses

[12:06:16]

LabMonkey:

k lemme try that

[12:06:27]

Captain_Caveman:

home networks are generally very easy to manage

[12:06:27]

LabMonkey:

I'm getting connected locally but still can't connect remotely

[12:06:49]

LabMonkey:

well the backend box will be changing IPs at some point

[12:06:59]

LabMonkey:

and I'm afraid I'll forget to set the correct IP

[12:06:59]

Captain_Caveman:

LabMonkey: change the ip, then restart mythbackend to take the change

[12:07:16]

Captain_Caveman:

why worry – it's not like you have to do it all the time

[12:10:02]

** LabMonkey shrugs **

[12:10:41]

Captain_Caveman:

LabMonkey: run mythtv-setup again to make sure the changes have been saved

[12:10:43]

LabMonkey:

hot shit!

[12:10:44]

LabMonkey:

it works

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Captain_Caveman:

what was up with it?

[12:11:02]

LabMonkey:

changed fqdn to IP

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LabMonkey:

ran mythfilldatabase

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LabMonkey:

the fill db probably wasn't necessary but I did it anyway

[12:13:52]

LabMonkey:

so now I can do the dayjob thing, then resume the task of tweaking transcode/commercial-cutting after work :D

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D-side:

morning boys.

[12:22:45]

LLyric:

What's a reasonable number for "signal" (strength) in mythtv/dvb?

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gardengnome:

hi D-side

[12:23:30]

Mattwj2005:

what do you get for a signal llyric?

[12:23:40]

D-side:

gardengnome: guess what i did last night

[12:23:41]

LLyric:

17–18%

[12:23:50]

LLyric:

SNR of 4.7db

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janneg:

LLyric: depends on the card/used driver

[12:24:56]

LLyric:

I'm having big problems with my card/driver :(

[12:26:03]

janneg:

my twinham dvb-t card works with signal strenght / snr of 20%

[12:26:17]

gardengnome:

D-side: rm -rf /?

[12:26:42]

D-side:

gardengnome: well, no. i didn't know you find me THAT incompetent.

[12:26:50]

D-side:

gardengnome: i broke mythtv. :D

[12:27:01]

LabMonkey:

gardengnome: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda

[12:27:05]

gardengnome:

D-side: it happened to me, too. ;)

[12:27:05]

LabMonkey:

encryption!

[12:27:06]

LabMonkey:

:D

[12:27:06]

D-side:

and then it seemingly fixed itself after restarting all the daemons. i dont understand.

[12:27:10]

D-side:

at all.

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gardengnome:

D-side: breaking mythtv? nice.

[12:27:29]

gardengnome:

D-side: same for me lately. but i've been messing with my capture cards a lot.

[12:27:44]

D-side:

Cardoe: I'm sure you're not here, and I'm also sure you don't care, but...

[12:27:55]

LLyric:

janneg: I've got a Dvico Dual-tuner card, and it's having particular problems with the second card

[12:28:02]

gardengnome:

D-side: i tried to unplug a broken fan in my master backend yesterday. it shutdown itself. :/

[12:28:02]

LLyric:

-card +tuner

[12:28:19]

D-side:

Cardoe: the latest you've got in portage (assumingly from the -fixes branch) works just fine with the vanilla 0.19.1 version of xbmcmythtv

[12:28:33]

D-side:

gardengnome: oh hell. hopefully not while recording

[12:29:32]

gardengnome:

D-side: nope, i don't think so. and this box doesn't have any tuners atteched (yet) anyways. i'll have to shell out some money to buy proper drive bays with good, quiet fans now. i really don't want that scsi disk to run without cooling.

[12:29:49]

gardengnome:

D-side: ah, you're using xbmcmythtv. is it easy to setup?

[12:31:53]

** LLyric reboots with dvb_usb disabled. One working tuner, is better than two sortof working. **

[12:32:13]

D-side:

gardengnome: my dear god yes.

[12:32:36]

D-side:

ftp it into the xbox, run through the config menus, and its done.

[12:33:36]

gardengnome:

nice

[12:33:37]

D-side:

gardengnome: i tell you honestly, XBMC is the best thing i've ever used for "convergence" crap.

[12:33:50]

D-side:

not to take anything away from mythtv's abilities though.

[12:33:59]

gardengnome:

D-side: i'Ve heard the media player is very nice.

[12:34:02]

D-side:

i still want one of those damn msntv2 RM4100's.

[12:34:28]

D-side:

gardengnome: it really is very nice indeed. part of its appeal is how painless it is to use. installing's a different story. :)

[12:34:37]

gardengnome:

hehe ;)

[12:34:39]

D-side:

plug in the remote IR dongle, and go.

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janneg:

LLyric: so the pci tuner is working, if the usb moduls aren't loaded. Have you tried just the usb tuner without the pci modules?

[12:38:24]

D-side:

gardengnome: now all that said, i'm doing things that will likely break mythtv even more. :D

[12:39:09]

gardengnome:

D-side: get a backup. :)

[12:39:21]

D-side:

thats for sissies.

[12:39:23]

D-side:

:)

[12:40:12]

LLyric:

Hmm, not yet

[12:40:31]

LLyric:

Just re-enabling my old pvr-350

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janneg:

gardengnome: a couple of days ago I switched off my workstation with a short circuit of the 12V power supply

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** LLyric still hasn't figured out how to make his dvb devices chmod 666 yet ;) **

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gardengnome:

janneg: that happened to me when i assembled my brand-new box. i thought i'd killed it :/

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D-side:

heh.

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D-side:

that must have sucked for those few seconds

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janneg:

LLyric: I don't see how one driver can disturb both tuners

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LLyric:

Nah, I'd just disabled ivtv while attempting to "fix" dvb_usb

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LLyric:

Which didn't seem to work

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LLyric:

dvb_usb is just not working properly for me, lots of ETIMEDOUT and some EPROTO

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janneg:

I thought I killed at least a fuse in the power supply

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janneg:

LLyric: I spoke about the two tuner of the Dvico card

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janneg:

but I just had to switch it on

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LLyric:

Although they're both on the card, one tuner is actually USB

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LLyric:

That's the one I'm having issues with

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LLyric:

If I just prevent dvb_usb loading, it's all fine

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janneg:

LLyric: yeah, I know.

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janneg:

is the pci tuner working if the usb modules are loaded?

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LLyric:

Yup

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LLyric:

But dmesg emitting lots of errors

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LLyric:

Which seems to be slowing things down

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Cardoe:

D-side: why don't I care? I use Xbmcmythtv

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GreyFoxx:

Any XBox + Linux users around ?

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janneg:

LLyric: ok. I misunderstood you first. Are you sure that the drivers fully support the usb part?

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LLyric:

They seem to, according to linuxtv etc

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D-side:

well damn him for leaving.

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D-side:

GreyFoxx: you mean linux ON the xbox right?

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janneg:

LLyric: you have this board: http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/Products/DualDigital.aspx

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GreyFoxx:

D-side: Yes

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LLyric:

janneg: yup

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LLyric:

Supposed to be fully supported with linux kernel 2.6.17.1 which I'm running

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D-side:

GreyFoxx: now that I think about it, I think we've been through this before. heh

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GreyFoxx:

yeah :)

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** GreyFoxx has been too lazy to post to th8e mailing list to find people hehe **

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D-side:

GreyFoxx: what do you do with it?

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D-side:

usual frontend stuff? or just playback?

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GreyFoxx:

Neither

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GreyFoxx:

Just want someone to send me the output of a few commands :)

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GreyFoxx:

But it has to be an xbox with one of the conexant Tv encoder chips

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GreyFoxx:

which are at least xbox revisioin 1.0–1.3

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GreyFoxx:

maybe others

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D-side:

hm. did we determine whether or not a bootcd would do it?

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GreyFoxx:

actually no, I hadn't looked for anything like that though you did mention it

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janneg:

LLyric: yeah. the linuxtv wiki says so. Have you tried another usb port?

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D-side:

mine currently just boots xbmc. if a boot cd can be loaded like an xbox game, i'll do it.

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LLyric:

Could be an x86_64 only issue, I guess

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LLyric:

janneg: the usb port seems fine, I can lsusb and it shows up fine.

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LLyric:

It's actually using a usb block, straight off the motherboard

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GreyFoxx:

D-side: http://dynebolic.org/

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GreyFoxx:

A bootable linux CD for the xbox

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GreyFoxx:

though honestly I know nothing about it, so I can only guess if it has the tools I need the output from :)

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D-side:

i'll have a look.

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D-side:

i've got a very silly question about something very basic.

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D-side:

and i'm embarassed to even ask... if i add a firewire cable box to my system, and edit its listings to only include those of HD channels...

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D-side:

that would work fine with other tuners, no?

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GreyFoxx:

it should

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D-side:

provided that the listings for the other cards didnt also include the HD channels

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D-side:

thats basically How Things Work, right?

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janneg:

LLyric: you could try a x86_32 live cd with a recent kernel

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GreyFoxx:

yuppers

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D-side:

nothing ventured, nothing gained. thanks.

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D-side:

might as well do that tomorrow.

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LLyric:

janneg: I've got a pretty recent kernel! 2.6.17.3

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LLyric:

I've tried older ones, too, of course ;)

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Beirdo:

wonder why it segfaulted when I restarted. Meh

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D-side:

heh

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D-side:

Beirdo: I wish I'd learn my damn lesson. "don't touch the damn thing"

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LLyric:

Man, stinky laptop is not fast enough to play 1080 across the lan

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janneg:

LLyric: your kernel is recent enough, but live cd to test with a 32bit system may come with older kernels

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Beirdo:

oh, not again, you busted it, D-side?

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D-side:

Beirdo: last night. :)

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Mattwj2005:

well guys I am going to try a subversion of mythtv

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Juski:

life is full of breaking things. not so bad if you're capable of fixing them :-P

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Juski:

gardengnome: I got minimyth to boot last night. slow as hell & generally runs like a doggie. it's hogging ram somewhere :-/

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Beirdo:

it does it doggie-style?

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Juski:

hmmm i should've said slug...

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D-side:

slug-style doesn't have the same ring to it

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Beirdo:

heh

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** D-side considers gmail domain service. **

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Beirdo:

??

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Mattwj2005:

so far the compiling is going well

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D-side:

Beirdo: let gmail take care of email service for one of my domains.

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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D-side:

its a closed beta currently. you fill out a form and maybe they'll accept you.

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qu0zl:

Juski, do you use vga to scart with your epia's?

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qu0zl:

colleague of mine is goingto make a vga to scart cable but he hasn't found any mention of ppl having success using one with via & openchrome. Maybe because openchrome uses hard-coded modelines and ignores the ones in your xorg.conf

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Juski:

qu0zl: no I don't. I read about someone doing it... I think Merlin83b does too

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qu0zl:

k thanks Juski

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Merlin83b:

I do what?

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qu0zl:

steal from the homeless apparently :(

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qu0zl:

but besides that, do youy use a vga to scart cable with an epia?

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Merlin83b:

I do not – I use S-video.

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qu0zl:

d'oh. me too

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qu0zl:

i'm trying to find a confirmed case of epia/vga-to-scart working :)

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qu0zl:

google has not been very helpful

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Merlin83b:

Why is Epia different to any other VGA to SCART?

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qu0zl:

then openchrome driver uses hard-coded modelines as i understand it

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qu0zl:

and you need to have the correct modeline for vga-to-scart to work think.

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Merlin83b:

Oh.

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Merlin83b:

More than I know how to play with :-)

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qu0zl:

heh me too, that's why he's guinea-pigging it ;)

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Juski:

http://radagast.bglug.ca/epia/epia_howto/x453.html

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qu0zl:

cheers Juski

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Pete_:

anyone got any particular remotes which would be good to use with a frontend? (If they aren't ir all the better)

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qu0zl:

i quite like my remote wonder II remote from ati

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qu0zl:

it's RF and usb

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Pete_:

interesting

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Pete_:

seems to work fine?

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qu0zl:

yep

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qu0zl:

i had a remote wonder I, but that was a bit fisher-pricey

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Pete_:

Its just the wireless keyboard on a frontend I had in the kitchen has decided to die, and it needs something to take its place

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Pete_:

have*

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qu0zl:

i like the remote, but i still have a keyboard plugged in and hidden just in case

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Pete_:

yes, I would too

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Pete_:

other than its ATi branded, it looks pretty good

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Pete_:

31.37 inc vat

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Juski:

why do people need rf remotes? if you're out of range of line of sight, you can't see the TV anyway, I'd have thought :-/

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qu0zl:

sapphire bob II Pete_

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qu0zl:

it's not ati-branded ;) same remote though.

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Pete_:

I don't want to have anything more than the screen visible if possible

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Pete_:

so RF is good

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qu0zl:

heh Juski i just got the first remote that I found that looked like it had lots of buttons :)

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Pete_:

well, screen + speakers

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Juski:

there's an argument for cases with ir windows too ;-)

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Juski:

my homebrew ir receiver is hardly visible ;-)

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Pete_:

anyway, while im looking for a remote, I want a silent, low power frontend for use on a projector. Doesn't need to have all the features, but does need to be fanless and not too power hungry. So far I've seen the Hauppauge mediaMVP (40 + shipping) which looks ok, any reccommendations on that front?

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Pete_:

everywhere that seems to sell this remote has the ATi branded version

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gardengnome:

Juski: bad news about minimyth. but maybe some debugging will reveal what's going on.

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gardengnome:

Juski: guess what – i still haven't removed the modem from the dbox. BTW, where did you find that information?

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Juski:

gardengnome: some forum or other where people don't know left from right ;-)

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Juski:

gardengnome: I think minimyth is doing some crazy stuff with a ramdisk. might need to circumvent that. as for it being slow... erm.. maybe zenslack is the way after all

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Pete_:

the logitech offering isn't that bad looking, wonder if I can get it working though. Anyone here using a logitech ultraX remote

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Pete_:

?

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Pete_:

looks like its going to be that, or the ATi remote

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qu0zl:

Pete_, the main thing is how well it's support by lirc. Check that out

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Juski:

well I have had enough.. hometime

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power1:

hey all, Run into a problem, everything was up and running, and I setup my linux desktop to be a frontend. now when i go into live tv i get a black screen and then after about 10 seconds takes me back to the menu, I am getting this error in the logs " AutoExpire: ERROR when trying to autoexpire file: /myth/tv/1001_20060701134855.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed." any ideas?

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gardengnome:

what does the frontend log say?

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power1:

gardengnome, I am just rebooting...will tell you now...

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gutano:

I'm trying to google how to correct some "fuzz" on the bottom of my recordings... I'm not sure what the correct term is? I've heard the term overscan occasionaly, I wonder if this is what I'm looking for

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gardengnome:

gutano: that's probably VBI artefacts. either use overscan (drivers, mythtv) or use the crop filter.

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gutano:

gardengnome: thanks =D

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power1:

gardengnome, I dont see and fronend log file /only things /var/log/myth is "KnoppMyth-run.log mythbackend.log"

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gardengnome:

power1: start the frontend in a terminal and/or redirect it's output using -l <logfile>

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power1:

gardengnome, i also see this error in the log "2006-07–07 17:23:58.069 Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(): Error, failed to find channel."

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gardengnome:

power1: looks like your channel database isn't setup correctly. fix it :)

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power1:

gardengnome, in mythtv-setup

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gardengnome:

yep.

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power1:

gardengnome, could this error be why i am having problems with the fronend pausing and being very slow

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power1:

gardengnome, thanks......database was set to actual ip instead of localhost..maybe other pc fronend changed it...

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sannes:

Anyone experienced the output picture (pvr350) to be too large ? (cutting off the edges of the picture)

[17:03:19]

GreyFoxx:

sannes: It's actually suppose to do that. It's called overscan and all TV's do it where as PC monitors don't(as much). So people are just really aware of it when plugging a PC output to a TV :)

[17:03:44]

GreyFoxx:

Most PC video cards have a controlable amount of overscan

[17:03:51]

GreyFoxx:

not sure about the 350 though

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xris:

gardengnome: what's the name of the program you said I could use to turn the xv overlay color from blue to black?

[17:15:06]

GreyFoxx:

xvattr

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xris:

ahh. not installed, no wonder I thought I had it wrong

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gutano:

I think I got the wrong info earlier on overscan... my problem is that my recordings have "static" on the bottom of the screen (even when run in a window on my desktop)

[17:25:48]

gutano:

it is barely noticable, but if it doesn't take 2 days to fight it out, I don't mind reading up/messing around with settings

[17:25:58]

Beirdo:

!trout MythLogBot

[17:25:58]

** MythLogBot slaps MythLogBot with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[17:26:01]

Beirdo:

hehe

[17:26:15]

Beirdo:

stupid thing, the rssfeed stuff cacked out on me

[17:26:49]

gardengnome:

i didn't give you the wrong info. if you overscan enough, the static will vanish. that's how i dod it.

[17:26:53]

gardengnome:

s/dod/do/

[17:26:58]

Beirdo:

dodo?

[17:27:56]

gutano:

gardengnome: I probably misunderstood... are you talking about fixing the problem by adjusting the playback? or fixing the problem so it is not in the recordings?

[17:28:50]

gardengnome:

using overscan would push the noise off the screen.

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kormoc:

gardengnome, I think he wants to take the noise away and get the full picture

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kormoc:

gardengnome, I think the deal is, the bottom of the screen where there should be a picture is noisy

[17:29:54]

gardengnome:

then you'll have to use the crop filter

[17:30:16]

** gutano nods **

[17:30:17]

kormoc:

gardengnome, that will just crop the picture, not get rid of the noise

[17:30:22]

gutano:

well...

[17:30:37]

gutano:

the picture starts 1/2 cm above bottom of screen, and has static below it

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gutano:

I think the _cleanest_ fix would be if there is a tuner setting (ivtv, etc) that would slide the picture down, but simply cropping it would certainly solve the problem also

[17:35:01]

gardengnome:

kormoc: the noise may be just normal, it's probably the VBI signal.

[17:35:30]

kormoc:

ahh,fair nuff

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xris:

gutano: probably better to just overscan... or crop.

[17:39:00]

** gutano nods **

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Beirdo:

hmmm

[17:39:13]

gutano:

crop will fix my recordings? and overscan will avoid it durring playback?

[17:39:21]

Beirdo:

I wonder if mplayer -quiet is now just TOO quiet

[17:39:30]

sphery:

gutano: both are for playback, only

[17:39:35]

gutano:

=/

[17:39:44]

sphery:

you have to transcode and do a crop to "fix" your recordings.

[17:39:51]

gardengnome:

sphery: not if you're running a software encoder card and use crop as one of the recording filters.

[17:39:54]

sphery:

(which means external)

[17:40:05]

sphery:

OK. Forgot about those.

[17:40:08]

sphery:

:)

[17:40:14]

gardengnome:

yep, it's a pity that mythtranscode can't do filters.

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Beirdo:

Hmmmmm

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Beirdo:

the RSSfeed code has a serious issue.

[17:47:14]

** Beirdo slaps MythLogBot **

[17:51:24]

Juski:

big piece of cacka... http://publications.mediapost.com/index.cfm?f . . . rt_aid=45264

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Juski:

well.. it's not like I watch ABC at all anyway. but the sheer cheek!

[17:54:41]

sphery:

Juski: You probably didn't see it because it's important to developers ;), but a /. about that got posted to the -dev list http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/212319#212319

[17:55:25]

Beirdo:

/. is so unimportant to life

[17:56:14]

sphery:

Yeah. I was making a comment about the guy who posted it to the -dev list arguing that -dev was more appropriate than -users...

[17:56:51]

gardengnome:

/. is a bunch of idiots.

[17:56:53]

Beirdo:

heh

[17:57:00]

Beirdo:

as are many people on the mailing lists

[17:57:14]

sphery:

lol

[18:01:33]

xris:

sphery: we don't listen to kazan

[18:01:48]

sphery:

Guess I should have just let it go.

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[18:02:10]

sphery:

Saw the comments on #mythtv, too. :)

[18:02:54]

whyvas_:

hey, I finally got my stuff working good, only one thing I can't figure out, I have a camera that plugs into the rca input on my tuner card, how can I access this from mythtv?

[18:03:02]

whyvas_:

i tried adding the channel 0 but it didn't work

[18:03:21]

whyvas_:

any ideas?

[18:03:33]

xris:

he just doesn't get that development means talking about code, not what some ceo says about how commercial skipping in dvr's sucks for him.

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xris:

whyvas_: you need to switch inputs to the composite input

[18:04:32]

whyvas_:

ok

[18:04:38]

whyvas_:

don't have to add anything in the setup?

[18:04:42]

whyvas_:

what's the hotkey again

[18:04:48]

gardengnome:

whyvas_: y

[18:04:52]

gardengnome:

iirc. or 'c'

[18:05:21]

sphery:

Yeah. I didn't notice the talk on #mythtv until I'd sent the e-mail about it being on the wrong list. I really just assumed it was an accident (because it's sooo far from development-related discussion).

[18:05:42]

sphery:

Anyway, now I know...

[18:06:36]

sphery:

I was trying to find the message where Chris Pinkham said he's hoping (someone) pulls it off--because it would make for a perfect commercial flagging technique.

[18:06:45]

** Juski has just composed a long rant post in response to somebody whining about how mythtv is shit & full of bloat these days (pot calling kettle? maybe, but I had a bad few days last week ;) ) **

[18:07:18]

Beirdo:

it's always been a bit full of bloat

[18:07:23]

Beirdo:

that's the joy of using Qt

[18:07:25]

Beirdo:

:)

[18:07:30]

D-side:

true enough.

[18:07:32]

Beirdo:

but it's nice bloat that we want

[18:07:41]

D-side:

functionally though, what else even comes close?

[18:07:45]

D-side:

nothing I can think of.

[18:07:47]

Beirdo:

oh my GOD, that stank

[18:07:53]

** Beirdo needs to eat less beans **

[18:07:55]

sphery:

Juski: Don't delete it if you cool down afterwards (where 90% of my rants go). I want to read it. :) You can always send it directly to me.

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Juski:

sphery: heh. I'm not deleting it. I almost deleted his whine though :-P

[18:08:39]

sphery:

Cool. Looking forward to a good read. :)

[18:08:52]

sphery:

Which list was the whine on?

[18:09:01]

sphery:

(or was it on the lists?)

[18:09:38]

Juski:

for the record... someone else is pissed that mythvideo gallery mode doesn't show folders anymore (erm... but it bloody well does... just that when you have that turned on you can't filter unbrowsable files anymore)

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xris:

Juski: you do graphics stuff, right?

[18:10:33]

gardengnome:

Juski: url?

[18:10:49]

Juski:

xris: I prod bitmaps around a bit, yeah

[18:10:58]

Juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12417#12417

[18:11:25]

jessejoe:

Hey guys, I was in here yesterday asking why my MythTV is hanging on startup, only when i have MythMusic installed even when there's no music in my library. I did and strace and I see this over and over for 20 seconds:

[18:11:26]

jessejoe:

ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0

[18:11:26]

jessejoe:

gettimeofday({1152295217, 274894}, NULL) = 0

[18:11:26]

jessejoe:

select(20, [3 4 5 12 14 19], [], [], {0, 0}) = 0 (Timeout)

[18:11:34]

jessejoe:

anyone make any sense of that?

[18:11:46]

xris:

Juski: I'm pondering trying to find someone who could make up some small icon type thingies for mythweb

[18:11:57]

Juski:

xris: icons, I can do

[18:12:43]

Juski:

last graphical thing I did for mythtv was playing around making a remote control interface for something. I'd seen worse looking on-screen remotes ;-)

[18:12:59]

xris:

will bug you again when I have more substantial thoughts.

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Juski:

xris: np. btw how's the new xml file sitting? still seeing the flickering?

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xris:

sort of tuned it out. heh

[18:16:31]

xris:

and I haven't spent much time in mythfrontend lately

[18:17:27]

Juski:

a little flicker is better than the 'please wait...' I've seen on a GUI menu recently, fer sure ;-)

[18:18:24]

sphery:

Juski: Nice post--although not nearly as much of a rant as I hoped. :)

[18:18:24]

sphery:

I love the whiner's statement, "If I could be bothered I would Get the 0.18 MythVideo source and change it to get it to compile against Myth 0.19."

[18:18:37]

sphery:

He's got time to complain, but no time to fix the problems...

[18:18:40]

xris:

yeah, this just looks like it's redrawing all the buttons every time I mouse up/down in the menu, instead of just the ones I went from/to.

[18:19:00]

Juski:

xris: just a thought.. maybe it's got something to do with double-bufferring... where the 'next' screen is drawn then the 'page' is flipped so the change looks instant. If I knew more about how opengl works, and how mythtv is using it maybe I'd be able to suggest some stuff...

[18:19:54]

power1:

hey all, I am using a sattelite set top box with composite in on a pvr-150 I have pulled down guide data, but at the moment , I have not configured the ir blaster to change channels on the sattelite decoder, the problem I am having is that when I set a recording on the menu and manually change to the correct channel, when the recording time starts myth tries to change the channel, which it cant do, I get this error in the logs and it

[18:19:55]

power1:

does not record anything. "TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 3.2006-07–07 20:11:03.929 TVRec(1): Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None" any ideas how i disable it trying to change channels in the interim?

[18:20:05]

LabMonkey:

heeeeeeellllllllpppppp :(

[18:20:32]

sphery:

power1: set your channel change script to /bin/true

[18:20:54]

LabMonkey:

I just got my new LCD TV

[18:21:03]

power1:

sphery, thanks, can you elaborate on this?

[18:21:07]

LabMonkey:

and it's not cooperating wrt resolution

[18:21:21]

sphery:

LabMonkey: http://avsforum.com/

[18:21:27]

Juski:

damn. I came up with some idea for tracking down the memory usage in this minimyth thing today... and now I can't remember any of it. bastard work stuff

[18:21:45]

D-side:

LabMonkey: it doesnt work with mythtv i'm afraid. give it to me.

[18:21:49]

xris:

Juski: no clue. it may affect more than just your theme... I've been using retro for so long and its text is really simple.

[18:21:52]

D-side:

LabMonkey: you dont need it anymore.

[18:21:53]

sphery:

Search for your model number (and variations on spelling/punctuation/Cx00 type stuff)

[18:22:15]

Juski:

power1: in mythtv-setup, for each videosource you can assign an 'external channel change' command

[18:22:22]

xris:

btw, I had some suggestions for PG... the light-grey used to color unfocused things in the recordings list is unreadable against the light grey background at the top of the screen...

[18:22:28]

power1:

Juski, thanks

[18:22:32]

LabMonkey:

D-side: negative

[18:22:42]

LabMonkey:

problem is

[18:22:53]

sphery:

Juski: you're way faster than me. Thanks for answering power1. :)

[18:22:54]

LabMonkey:

supposedly it supports a max resolution of 1366x768

[18:23:13]

LabMonkey:

but it's chopping off the top and bottom

[18:23:31]

power1:

Juski, so changing it to "/bin/true" will stop it from trying to change and will stop errors in the log, and will allow it to just record whats coming in on composite ?

[18:23:34]

Juski:

xris: yeah it needs some reworking. I need to tweak a whole load of gamma. Looks great on my TFT but not so good on my vaguely calibrated CRT set :)

[18:23:46]

Juski:

power1: should do

[18:24:34]

xris:

Juski: it's only the first 1 or 2 things in the list that are hard to read for me (samsung lcd)....

[18:24:55]

Juski:

thought about the next theme project last week but I think it might test the PSUs in plasmas & CRTs too much :-P

[18:25:13]

sphery:

power1: It won't stop it from changing channels. It will use /bin/true (which always returns a successful exit code) to change channels, thereby making Myth think it has changed channels.

[18:25:16]

Juski:

white/very light background...

[18:25:18]

xris:

though you also need better contrast between focused items in the show-title list.. the episode list has the box around the selected one, but the show-title being centered doesn't quite highlight it well enough for my preference

[18:25:22]

sphery:

LabMonkey: overscan.

[18:25:40]

Juski:

xris: I'm tempted to make it much less monochromatic

[18:25:44]

power1:

sphery, thanks.....thats exactly what I am looking for!

[18:25:46]

sphery:

All TV's have it--CRT's, LCD's, DLPs, and soon SED's and NED's and ...

[18:26:20]

Juski:

sphery: now you're just talking about acronym hell ;-)

[18:26:29]

sphery:

lol

[18:26:51]

sphery:

But I'd love a SED or NED.

[18:27:02]

sphery:

Stupid companies announcing them before they're ready to make them.

[18:27:27]

Juski:

roll on OLED displays big enough for nice HDTVs

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Juski:

though we might not be able to afford to power em by the time they're on sale

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sphery:

They take a lot of power?

[18:28:55]

Juski:

time to go into umbongo land to try & find out what's eating so much ram...

[18:29:01]

sphery:

I thought they were supposed to be low-power?

[18:29:09]

Juski:

sphery: I heard 3 or 4 times what plasmas take

[18:29:14]

sphery:

Wow.

[18:29:25]

kormoc:

Juski, oleds were to be lower I thought as well

[18:29:31]

sphery:

SED's are supposed to be 1/3 the power of plasma

[18:29:37]

sphery:

less even than LCD's.

[18:29:49]

Juski:

when they figure them out properly, they prolly will

[18:29:49]

sphery:

key phrase being "supposed to be"

[18:29:54]

sphery:

yep

[18:30:03]

power1:

Does the 0.19 version of knoppmyth include the correct version of ivtv that supports using the built in ir transmitter of the pvr-150 to change channels on set top boxes?

[18:30:07]

kormoc:

http://www.universaldisplay.com/active.htm

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LabMonkey:

sphery: overscan is what?

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sphery:

LabMonkey: You have a choice to make. You can have any two of: a) full screen, b) full resolution, c) no overscan. You can't have all three. You currently have full screen and full resolution, so you have overscan.

[18:30:54]

LabMonkey:

and how do I correct it?

[18:31:09]

** LabMonkey blinks **

[18:31:20]

sphery:

Overscan causes part of the image to be drawn "off screen" (in an area that's not visible)

[18:31:26]

LabMonkey:

ahh

[18:31:27]

LabMonkey:

yes

[18:31:28]

LabMonkey:

that's it

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Juski:

LabMonkey: overscan is where the tv picture spills over the sides of the screen by anything up to 10%... in olden days it was the outside of the CRT.. now it tends to be cropped orf

[18:31:50]

sphery:

It was made a part of the TV standard to allow for ragged edges and "rainbows" that happen especially on analog broadcasts.

[18:31:55]

flyback:

hey, can mythtv be setup to reencode a mpeg-2 recording from a pvr250 to divx when the system is idle and if so, can it be set to auto nice down to -15 or even pause when the next recording comes up so there isn't any lag?

[18:32:00]

sphery:

Even with digital TV, it's still there.

[18:32:08]

Juski:

broadcast video signals almost never fill a screen 100%

[18:32:20]

kormoc:

Juski, http://www.oled-info.com/introduction.html "Because OLEDs produce (emit) light they do not require a backlight. This means that OLEDs can be made very thin and very power efficient"

[18:32:28]

LabMonkey:

well this is happening with the desktop (gnome on xorg)

[18:32:45]

LabMonkey:

and my mythtv menus are suffering the same fate

[18:32:48]

LabMonkey:

actually

[18:32:52]

LabMonkey:

that's not even right

[18:32:58]

LabMonkey:

two things are happening

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sphery:

Right. But that's displayed on a TV, right.

[18:33:04]

sphery:

Not displayed on a monitor?

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LabMonkey:

one, it's overscanning so the top of the viewport is getting cut off

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sphery:

Monitors don't typically have overscan. TV's do.

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LabMonkey:

two, it's not displaying at the correct resolution because I can move the mouse down and the desktop scrolls with it

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Juski:

kormoc: fair enough.. _can be_... but a report I watched from CES last year said the prototype displays were beasts

[18:33:53]

LabMonkey:

like when you try to display 1024x768 on a monitor that only supports 800x600

[18:34:02]

kormoc:

Juski, heh, fair nuff

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flyback:

oh I hate that LabMonkey

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flyback:

that's the #1 reason I gave up on linux for several yrs

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flyback:

virtual desktop scrolling

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LabMonkey:

so yeah I've got overscan

[18:34:31]

flyback:

drives me *INSANE*

[18:34:35]

LabMonkey:

but I've also got that scrolling shit

[18:34:40]

LabMonkey:

which just won't work

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flyback:

I can't even stand that on my pda

[18:35:06]

Juski:

kormoc: the problem apparently wasn't with the light emitters themselves... but all the transistors doing the switching.. leakage etc

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LabMonkey:

and yes, the display is a TV

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bitlogic:

I just installed myth tv but I'm getting no videos found, after I putted a video file (avi) on the directory that I just configured! What can be wrong?

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kormoc:

Juski, ahh, yeah, I could see that a bit

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LabMonkey:

http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/Specifica . . . V-NagaII.htm

[18:35:39]

LabMonkey:

to be exact

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bitlogic:

is there any way I can just log what mythtv is doing just to understand what error message is it giving?

[18:36:21]

sphery:

LabMonkey: Assuming you're using an NVIDIA card, you'll need to use the

[18:36:21]

sphery:

Option "UseEdid" "false"

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sphery:

to convince X to use a resolution that's not supported by your TV.

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bitlogic:

please help

[18:36:26]

Juski:

kormoc: but the new lower voltage/power/on-resistance/leakage ge/si transistors will be much much better, so I saw

[18:36:33]

sphery:

(Actually is supported, but isn't in the list of supported resolutions.)

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sphery:

Not uncommon with TV's. They often only report that they can do "standard PC resolutions" like 1024x768 or 800x600 or ...

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GreyFoxx:

bitlogic: add a --logfile filename.log to log to a file, and add -v XXXX to increase the verbose level

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bitlogic:

GreyFoxx, thx, i'll do that

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LabMonkey:

uhh

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LabMonkey:

now I have no display

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GreyFoxx:

bitlogic: try mythbackend (or mythfrontend) --help for more info

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sphery:

LabMonkey: You'll also need a valid modeline.

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

I didn't think you'd start, yet.

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sphery:

I was still looking for the link to the options for NVIDIA's drivers...

[18:39:04]

sphery:

http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . endix-d.html

[18:39:30]

sphery:

There are options: UseEdid, UseEdidFreqs, UseEdidDpi, etc.

[18:39:49]

sphery:

Do you know how to recover from a failed X config on your distro?

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LabMonkey:

hmm

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bitlogic:

GreyFoxx, mythbackend is only if I want that mythtv works as server, write?

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sphery:

take out "as server" and that's right.

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Juski:

hmmm. I _think_ minimyth is pulling the whole fs into ram.. changes I make to a file on the server don't show on the box

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sphery:

"mythbackend is only if I want that mythtv works"

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

You'll need to run mythbackend on at least one system on the network.

[18:42:53]

sphery:

LabMonkey: I still recommend you start your search for a modeline on avsforum.com

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sphery:

But you'll also need to use NVIDIA options to convince X to use your modeline.

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bitlogic:

well, I can't understand why it can't find any videos

[18:46:59]

bitlogic:

the "Directory that holds videos" is correct

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bitlogic:

the permissions are all set to user mythtv (debian installation)

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GreyFoxx:

Is this MythVideo ?

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bitlogic:

and I have a avi file on that directory

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GreyFoxx:

You are trying to play some avi's or something ?

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GreyFoxx:

Ok

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sphery:

bitlogic: did you go to Manage Videos to scan for videos?

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GreyFoxx:

Well, by default you have to run the video manager to scan in the list of videos

[18:48:06]

GreyFoxx:

OR you can configure it to browse the file system and not require you to run th evideo manager

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bitlogic:

I do Utilities/Setup -> Video Manager and there's no videos at all

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bitlogic:

is this the correct thing to do?

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sphery:

Filter?

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GreyFoxx:

or the path is wrong

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sphery:

Hit M and make sure you're not filtering

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe you have an uppercase letter or something and shoulding ?:)

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GreyFoxx:

shouldn't

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bitlogic:

how can I know that I'm not filtering?

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bitlogic:

is there any option there?

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sphery:

I think if you hit M there's a button for specifying a filter

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sphery:

Hit it and verify there are no constraints on it.

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bitlogic:

when I press M I don't see anything

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bitlogic:

I'm using wmaker, could it have something to do with it?

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sphery:

What about I (that's an i, not an L or a 1)

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sphery:

No. Probably my bad memory. :)

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sphery:

I could point to the button on my remote, but that won't help you.

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bitlogic:

I found the key, is F

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sphery:

Hmmm. I was way off...

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bitlogic:

and is all in all items

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bitlogic:

should this information be inserted on database?

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bitlogic:

like some option to update the database

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sphery:

Running the video manager should do that automatically.

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bitlogic:

my directory that holds movie posters doesn't exists. Can this be the problem?

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sphery:

It's possible.

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sphery:

Try creating it.

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bitlogic:

still the same

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bitlogic:

what should be the permissions for video files?

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Juski:

hmmm maybe if I get /proc to be put on the nfs share instead of the rw fs... (in ram)...

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sphery:

bitlogic: as long as the user running frontend can read files and execute directories, it should work.

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GreyFoxx:

Juski /proc is virtual anyway. As long as the mountpoint exists it should be ok

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GreyFoxx:

It's just a window into some kernel values

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bitlogic:

yep, that's what happening and nothing

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bitlogic:

I just tried to run mplayer and the file and there's no problem.

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: according to du it's using 128MB

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GreyFoxx:

Which is exactly how much ram you have ?:)

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LabMonkey:

sphery: where the hell are the modelines on that forum?

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bitlogic:

is mythtv that for some reason doesn't recognize the format?

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: bingo.. duh

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GreyFoxx:

bitlogic: nope, that wouldn't be it

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GreyFoxx:

bitlogic: If the videomanger is not finding it them you likely have a wrong path

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Juski:

time to sack the minimyth option then.... there's just not enough ram the way minimyth works. I need another 128MB

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flyback:

ugh

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flyback:

so myth can't run on 128 meg of ram?

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flyback:

just a backend

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Juski:

sure I could hack around it, & make it use the nfsroot properly...

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Juski:

flyback: minimyth can't run on 128MB of ram

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Juski:

minimyth is a frontend diskless distro

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LabMonkey:

all I see is a bunch of people talking about the virtues of this panel over that panel and how much they cost

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Juski:

flyback: 128MB would prolly be pushing things a bit for a backend, even if you host the mysql db somewhere else

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Juski:

it's a bit close to the bone for a frontend

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flyback:

shit

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flyback:

mabye freevo would be better

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flyback:

i'm looking for just dump to disk

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flyback:

I don't need live tv playback/rewind

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Juski:

maybe more memory would be better

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bitlogic:

GreyFoxx and sphery : my stupidity, you are right, the directory was wrong, thanks for your help

[19:06:43]

sphery:

bitlogic: glad you got it.

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Juski:

and does freevo even record tv? I thought it was just a media frontend thing

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flyback:

well I will find a way to make this work with what I have

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RandomDude15:

Hey I just have one question for you guys, if I promise this card (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116633), I'll be able to change channels on the digital cable box from my computer and from myth right?

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Anduin:

RandomDude15: You'll just break that promise.

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flyback:

Juski btw I have a pvr250 so it doesn't need a lot of ram for compress on the fly

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sphery:

Juski: It does. AIUI, it just uses the "scripts to tie together many programs" approach instead of Myth's "one program that does the work (using many libraries)" approach.

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Anduin:

RandomDude15: If your purchase that card, well it has nothing to do with changing channels on your digital cable box.

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RandomDude15:

New! Now with IR Blaster, to control set top boxes!

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RandomDude15:

has that under features

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sphery:

Don't know if that's working with LIRC>

[19:10:40]

sphery:

If so, it will work.

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Juski:

sphery: oh well. I tried installing freevo one night.. binned it at the first hurdle

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Anduin:

RandomDude15: Ah, I thought that was a combo ir rx/tx feature

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sphery:

If not, you can always buy/build a LIRC-supported IR transmitter or IR blaster.

[19:11:51]

sphery:

Juski: Yeah. I never actually installed it, but I read a lot about it and other Linux-based PVR's before settling on Myth--which, at the time, was the up-and-coming king of the hill.

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RandomDude15:

ok where can I buy it?

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sphery:

RandomDude15: I highly recommend http://lirc.org/improved_transmitter.html if you build it yourself. Works great for me. I've never missed a channel change (due to the IR transmitter)

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RandomDude15:

where can I buy one?

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sphery:

RandomDude15: read http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=19 before making any decisions

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Juski:

there we go... gentoo, with X running and mythfrontend is only using 40% of 128MB ram.. why can't minimyth do that?

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Juski:

oh damn I know why. minimyth loads stuff like plugins into ram. serious architecture changes would be required to stop that

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Juski:

breaky time

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federico_:

hi

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federico_:

can anybody help me on getting a BT878 tv card to work?

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federico_:

nope?

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Anduin:

Help isn't always immediate.

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kormoc:

and you could say, ask a specific question rather then a general one

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federico_:

ok, sorry

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D-side:

bttv.

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D-side:

next?

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federico_:

i've got a genius tv wonder por II v2 card, with a bt878 tuner on it

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federico_:

yes, the module loaded at startup is bttv

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federico_:

but it says the card is *UNKNOWN/GENERIC* AND USES TUNER=-1

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federico_:

*uses tuner=-1 – sorry for the caps

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kormoc:

you'll need to tell it what card and tuner to use then

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federico_:

ok, like modprobe bttv card=X, right?

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kormoc:

aye

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kormoc:

modprobe bttv card=X tuner=Y

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federico_:

i've been trying that, and from the faq i've read, it said i could watch in dmesg the results of probing, but nothing new shows there

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kormoc:

perhaps you just don't have the right values set

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federico_:

and my specific card isn't listed on the CARDLISTS file, so i don't really know if i just couldn't find the card that fits, no card fits, or i'm simply loading the module the wrong way

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kormoc:

that is the proper way to load the module

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federico_:

in drivers/media/video/bttv.c?

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kormoc:

but yeah, it can just be a case of that card just isn't supported

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kormoc:

hrm?

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federico_:

what you said about the right values

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federico_:

you mean the specific values for the card on the module's source?

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kormoc:

ahh, not really

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kormoc:

I ment card=X

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federico_:

oh, right

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kormoc:

you might want to email the bttv guys and see if they could help figure it out

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federico_:

i guess that's the next step...

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federico_:

many thanks for your kind help :)

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kormoc:

you're welcome. g'luck with it!

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federico_:

thanks, bye!

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gardengnome:

there's also a list of tuners...

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kormoc:

indeed, but if the card wasn't getting setup right, tuner type won't help

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LabMonkey:

ok so how do I get mplayer to go back to the dvd menu?

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Beirdo:

you don't

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LabMonkey:

or better yet, start there

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LabMonkey:

>_<

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Beirdo:

mplayer doesn't do menus

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LabMonkey:

crap

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LabMonkey:

ok but xine does?

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Beirdo:

yup

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LabMonkey:

is it worth a damn?

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Beirdo:

I don't use either for DVDs

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Beirdo:

but I think xine is the generally preferred option

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Juski:

xine/ogle/vlc

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Beirdo:

standalone DVD player

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Beirdo:

;)

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LabMonkey:

well

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LabMonkey:

I'd rather just do it from mythtv

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Juski:

depends how much you paid for your dvd player I guess. any less than a 3 figure sum & you'd prolly be better off with myth by default

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Beirdo:

hah

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Beirdo:

sorry, but even the $50 ones that do progressive scan and widescreen are way better quality output than the average PC

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Juski:

there are dvd players that don't do widescreen? eek

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kormoc:

in the future, hopefully the internal mythdvd player will be much more useful

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Beirdo:

but if you want to use your PC for that, then yeah, xine/ogle/vlc

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Beirdo:

yeah, some don't do it well

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Juski:

there's a version of mplayer in the wild which does menus, but don't ask me where it lives

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GreyFoxx:

Isn't the internal dvd player in svn much more solid?

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** GreyFoxx hasn't tried it in a long time **

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** Beirdo neither **

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Juski:

I haven't tried it in ages. last time I did though, menus didn't display properly

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kormoc:

Juski, I've heard that, but the mplayer website says it'll take a rewrite of the mplayer core to do so... I'm really skeptical of any clames otherwise

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sigger:

anyone use mythtv from debian?

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Beirdo:

dammit, I hate fire ants

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kormoc:

Juski, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/faq.html#id2545174

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Juski:

heh. seems my gentoo installed s100 is within a gnat's privates of running out of memory. but it works very well all the same

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kormoc:

nifty :P

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Juski:

iiiit's zenslack time

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DNW:

hi there

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DNW:

can i post a error im stumped on ?

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kormoc:

use a pastebin (like the one in the topic)

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DNW:

just thought it would be easier and quicker to post in here

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Juski:

paste into a pastebin, then paste the pastebin url into here

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Juski:

you coulda done that already

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DNW:

oh o.k cheers

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DNW:

never used it b4 soz

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Juski:

course if it's too long, it's a quick way to get booted orf

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DNW:

here you go

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DNW:

http://pastebin.ca/81793

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys I got an unusual question

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Mattwj2005:

can a pchdtv-5500 be configured as a DVB card even though it is a ATSC card

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xris:

no

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xris:

completely separate protocols.. they just happen to use the same driver to talk to the card.

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Juski:

DNW: do you have a hardware CAM & valid viewing card?

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Mattwj2005:

the reason I ask is because my pchdtv-5500 card was being recognized by the dvb 3.x drivers

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Mattwj2005:

it actually tuned

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DNW:

i have everything set up via softcam i do have a valid sub + card however dont have a ci module for my card or a cam yet

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xris:

Mattwj2005: yes. it uses the dvb drivers... but the signal in the air is completely different

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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Mattwj2005:

so it should work with those drivers?

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Juski:

DNW: you NEED hardware to decode pay-tv in MythTV. you NEED hardware to decode pay-tv in MythTV. you NEED hardware to decode pay-tv in MythTV. you NEED hardware to decode pay-tv in MythTV. you NEED hardware to decode pay-tv in MythTV. you NEED hardware to decode pay-tv in MythTV.....

[21:39:15]

DNW:

wow calm down there got that the first time

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Juski:

any other method is not supported, end of story

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xris:

not to mention illegal

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Juski:

illegal/against most provider's T&Cs

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Juski:

so get yourself a CI module & you'll have more luck :-)

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DNW:

o.k didnt think free speach and an exchange of ideas/help was also illegal

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** kormoc blinks **

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xris:

Mattwj2005: that's the idea, yeah. all of the atsc cards that I know of for linux use the dvb drivers and toolset.

[21:41:25]

Mattwj2005:

okay cool

[21:41:28]

Juski:

talking about ripping off satellite broadcasters in a logged channel.. hmmm...

[21:41:39]

xris:

DNW: talking about how to do illegal things isn't really covered under free speech.

[21:41:40]

Mattwj2005:

I am hoping I might actually get this thing to go :)

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Mattwj2005:

if you yell fire in a theater that is illegal too

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xris:

sort of like how saying that you're going to kill someone is illegal.

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** xris briefly ponders kormoc's demise and then goes back to work. **

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sigger:

actually DNW, talking about doing a number of illegal things is illegal in the US.

[21:42:48]

kormoc:

I demised?

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Mattwj2005:

I am just happy getting OTA HDTV :)

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Juski:

DNW: if mythtv gets associated with anything illegal, it's not good for mythtv. the developers & users of other linux pVR software don't seem to care much about legality

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xris:

kormoc: future demise, of course. :)

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DNW:

k fair enough really i was just asking what the error meant not asking anyone to tell me how to set it all up

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xris:

like a drunken shirtless belly flop into a campfire, or something equally glorious. :)

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

fair nuff

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DNW:

just this bit CA_SET_DESCR failed (Invalid argument).

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xris:

(btw, don't belly flop into the fire — we both know, thankfully second-hand, how that works out)

[21:45:43]

Juski:

DNW: looks to me like the decoder isn't compatible with myth. seriously

[21:46:37]

Mattwj2005:

DNW there are ways of using ir blaster and firewire ports for LEGAL recording of content

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xris:

Mattwj2005: don't even need ir blaster for some boxes...

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** xris likes his firewire hookup **

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DNW:

just that you know im using myth svn8922 here in u.k and the dvb-c protocol not sat

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Juski:

DNW: is this cable or satellite? if it's cable, you don't have a chance of getting a CI & CAM that'll work with UK cable companies

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xris:

DNW: ahh, so no firewire for you.

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Juski:

Telewest will not like you connecting a DVB-C card to their network either

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Mattwj2005:

what about something like ir blaster and svideo

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Juski:

they'll be within their rights to cut off your cable

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xris:

Mattwj2005: works but not digital

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Mattwj2005:

you guys can't use DVB-C on your cable system? I thought that was the whole point of the cards

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Mattwj2005:

*lives in the US

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: it's against every provider's terms & conditions

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Mattwj2005:

then what are the DVB-C cards for?

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: for getting DVB over cable where the cableco allows it

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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Mattwj2005:

here they just encrypt it :P

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Juski:

even using them for free to air stuff is against the T&Cs.. fkin ridiculous but we don't make the rules

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Mattwj2005:

yeah the US is getting more that way because of the MPAA

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xris:

Mattwj2005: where it's allowed, you can rent a smartcard instead of a cable box... sort of like the cablecard stuff planned for the US.

[21:52:21]

Mattwj2005:

the people have a right to recorder channels you play for

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riddlebox:

I get an error that says unable to execute query Mysql server has gone away in mythbackend when I try to setup a recording? mysql is running still?

[21:52:27]

xris:

smartcard plugs into the pci card, tv works all legal-like.

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DNW:

um not saying its right but it works fine for fta on major uk providers and with your consent i can prove that you can au with uk cable (mines doing it now just not clearing cause of this error)

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xris:

riddlebox: did you check? could just restart mysql/reboot the computer.

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Mattwj2005:

that is cool

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riddlebox:

xris, I did check, mysql is still running, my mythtv user can log into mythconverg

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DNW:

but best talked off this chatroom if you want 2 know please come 2 room DNW

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Mattwj2005:

now is this true?

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Mattwj2005:

DVB-S support here in the US?

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xris:

riddlebox: can you restart the machine? sometimes that's the simplest answer

[21:54:34]

riddlebox:

xris, this happens alot, it seems like if the system runs for awhile I cannot setup a recording

[21:55:15]

riddlebox:

xris, I know it will work if I restart mythbackend, I do not want to do that all the time though I want this to run without me doing anything to it

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xris:

riddlebox: what version?

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Mattwj2005:

http://www.dvb.org/graphics/internal/Adoption . . . April_20.jpg

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riddlebox:

0.19

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xris:

Mattwj2005: echostar (dishnetwork in the US and bellexpress in CA) use dvb-s, and do have a small handful of unencrypted channels.

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xris:

riddlebox: install method?

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Mattwj2005:

oh only a handful

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riddlebox:

xris, from source

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xris:

Mattwj2005: lyngsat.com

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xris:

riddlebox: then I would recommend that you grab/install the .19-fixes branch from svn

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riddlebox:

xris, I imported the database from my previous version

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Juski:

/ignore DN_W

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Juski:

heh. this isn't irssi

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Juski:

someone kick his arse outta here

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Mattwj2005:

it looks like a lot of channels

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xris:

Mattwj2005: you need to look for the FTA indicator

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DN_W:

just cause i want to share some knowledge privatly with you?

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xris:

and the encryption method

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riddlebox:

xris, I have found the problem I think mysql must close connections after awhile or something it appears there is a scheduler workaround for mysql5

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xris:

riddlebox: ah. -fixes have the fix in it?

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riddlebox:

xris, I think so I saw a post that said to get the 0.19-fixes so I am looking for them now

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xris:

riddlebox: http://svn.mythtv.org

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xris:

right there on the front page

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dev:

i had such terrible luck with the latest -fixes

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dev:

mythbackend crashing every couple days

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Mattwj2005:

http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.h . . . c0511151a5f7

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dev:

reverted to 9163, works perfect

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Mattwj2005:

all of these channels can't be decrypted?

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riddlebox:

xris,thanks, so I just download it and recompile?

[22:02:23]

xris:

Mattwj2005: how many dishes would you need for those, though?

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xris:

riddlebox: yup

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riddlebox:

xris, ok thanks

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xris:

Mattwj2005: and many of those look like c-band stuff. 2m dish, very ugly/expensive.

[22:03:34]

Mattwj2005:

good point....but according to this even have a couple of HBO channels in the clear

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Juski:

DNW: whatever illegal stuff you get up to in the privacy of your own home is up to you. I don't want anything to do with it. End of story.

[22:04:33]

xris:

Mattwj2005: in mpeg4. no drivers to receive it, though

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Mattwj2005:

hmmm

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Mattwj2005:

that sucks

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xris:

yup

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DNW:

thats fine was only offering proof not a step by step guide

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kormoc:

DNW, http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Le . . . ious_Content

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Juski:

DNW: I don't fucking care what you were on about. I don't want to know

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DNW:

could you please not swear at me its not very nice also young people are proberly reading this

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xris:

DNW: many of us know (or know of) people who use mythtv to illegally watch content. we all know it's possible, but we don't condone it and would rather it not be talked about. Even if it *were* legal for you, it's not for most of the people here.

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Juski:

DNW: you wanna take the moral high ground? stop trying to steal cable

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DNW:

to kormoc i apoligise for raising the issue here will stoip

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DNW:

juski all that anyone needed to do was tell me not to discuss this here

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xris:

DNW: we did

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DNW:

i asked for advice and have apoligised that i did can we leave it at that

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Juski:

DNW: then you started trying to send me stuff & PM me. learn your IRC ettiquette

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sapbeast:

sounds like i missed the fun

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simcop2387:

i just realized that with my video cards svideo out and my tv card i can work on my mplayer controlling software so that i can make my own tv channel when i screw around with and rf converter...

[22:14:54]

simcop2387:

an*

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DNW:

sorry juski dont like being told that somethings not poss when it is but end of subject and i should have asked you first sorry

[22:15:07]

simcop2387:

all thanks to mythtv

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sapbeast:

DNW: be glad that were still able to use analogue recording devices in this day and age

[22:16:06]

dev:

barely

[22:16:13]

dev:

they took away my fucking speed channel

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dev:

moved to digital

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dev:

bastards%$!^@$!$@!%^

[22:16:22]

dev:

;/

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sapbeast:

speed sucked anyways though :)

[22:16:36]

dev:

but..but.. im part redneck

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Juski:

DNW: okees... leave it at that then.

[22:16:51]

sapbeast:

well personally i havent cared for it since it changed from speedvision

[22:16:51]

dev:

i need to have my street tuner challenge, sports car revolution, dream car garage, pinks, and two guys garage

[22:16:56]

DNW:

in the u.k we only have analogue for 6 more years though

[22:17:06]

dev:

not to mention rolex sports car series, grand touring gar, and gp1 :(

[22:17:14]

sapbeast:

analogue wont really completely die

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Mattwj2005:

we are down to 3 years :D

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Mattwj2005:

or maybe it is 2 and a half

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sapbeast:

even when stuff is all digital you will still be able to watch it over analogue through a converter

[22:17:34]

dev:

the cable providers love digital

[22:17:43]

dev:

you wanna watch tv, spend another 15$ per month per tv

[22:17:45]

dev:

thats bullshit

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** Mattwj2005 loves digital too **

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Juski:

the UK's satellite provider loves digital even more

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sapbeast:

i mean such is the case using mythtv with an irblaster on your cable box to record the digital channels over analogue

[22:18:04]

Juski:

evil bastards. I'd pay to see them run into the ground

[22:18:29]

dev:

digital looks nice sure, but 15$/month per tv on top of your cable bill (oh by the way did i mention you have to have an upgraded plan to have digital?) is just bullshit

[22:18:45]

Juski:

lol. the short & curlies plan

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sapbeast:

digital where i live is very questionable, the quality is actually worse than analogue

[22:19:02]

dev:

will they lower the price to analog rates when analog goes away? BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH im sure they will

[22:19:04]

sapbeast:

the bitrate is obviously too low in order to try and fit more channels down teh cable

[22:19:05]

Mattwj2005:

HDTV is sweet here in the US

[22:19:06]

dev:

where's my sarcasm tab

[22:19:08]

dev:

tag

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DNW:

at least you guys have been enjoying hi-def for longer than we have (as in just before world cup)

[22:19:27]

DNW:

for us that is

[22:19:28]

Juski:

HD isn't worth the money right now

[22:19:47]

sapbeast:

HD where i live compromises of a grand total of 4 channels I could possibly recieve

[22:19:50]

sapbeast:

dont think its that great

[22:20:05]

Juski:

it's not that much better than digital PAL at a decent bitrate.. I've compared it quite a bit

[22:20:07]

Mattwj2005:

I enjoy playing around with it....I am glad I bought the card

[22:20:29]

sapbeast:

there is HD over cable offered but its limited to... surprise... the same crap I could get OTA apart from say ESPN and Discovery

[22:20:29]

Juski:

the bitrate is much higher.. but you'd not notice the resolution hike on most stuff Uk channels play

[22:20:30]

DNW:

not enough channels also i belive that ntl doesnt even have a hdtv box yet am i right?

[22:20:46]

Juski:

ntl are _thinking_ about HD.. no plans announced yet

[22:21:14]

DNW:

um they have announced plans i belive you get the tvdrive in october

[22:21:25]

Mattwj2005:

I live in the Twin Cites there are quite a few channels right over the air ways....we have like 4 public broadcast channels, NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, UPN, and WB

[22:21:43]

Juski:

and we can possibly forget all about terrestrial HD until at least 2012.. and then only if the govt don't sell off the frequencies to mobile phone companies for blocky sports clips

[22:21:46]

sapbeast:

HD quality is spotty, ive had the chance to work with HD cable tuners here for various clients and some channels are unbelivably bad for "high def" and others are amazing

[22:21:53]

DNW:

seeing as tw and ntl are the same company now

[22:22:36]

sapbeast:

probably one of the things they actually did right the in US... they did OTA high def broadcasting early on before all this "omg you cant watch this record this or memorize this"

[22:22:43]

Juski:

DNW: they can put their TV drive thing where the sun doesn't shine for all I care. It's no mythtv, and even my 700 mhz frontend's GUI is faster than their box's rubbish

[22:23:07]

Juski:

if it all goes digital & locked down to hell – I'll stop watching telly – end of

[22:23:13]

sapbeast:

those embedded set top boxes are literally 200mhz

[22:23:34]

DNW:

you can recive hd through myth anyway ive been watching the football on itv hd and bbc hd

[22:23:37]

Juski:

sapbeast: it's not so much that... it's cos they use crappy middleware

[22:24:05]

DNW:

and they have trailed freeview hd in london

[22:24:07]

sapbeast:

yeah i dislike the "locked down to hell" part myself here

[22:24:08]

Juski:

linuxy base OS.. then the middleware, then the cableco apps on top

[22:24:37]

Juski:

DNW: yeah they're still doing it.. and people with 3Ghz machines are struggling to decode it

[22:24:47]

sapbeast:

I mean I still remember having a VCR that had knobs to change channels and those rotary dial clocks...

[22:25:38]

Juski:

I'm too damn cynical anyway. right now we could have better picture quality than analogue but we don't cos there are too many daft channels

[22:25:39]

sapbeast:

Hopefully OTA HDTV does not disappear in the US at least, im not sure about analogue cable though

[22:25:41]

DNW:

my linux machine is a 2ghz celeron and it only drops one or two frames

[22:25:52]

Mattwj2005:

I just like the wide screen of hdtv and the ability to read text easily on small display

[22:26:07]

Juski:

DNW: I'm only going off what I've read on digitalspy & cack

[22:26:32]

sapbeast:

Juski: I wouldnt label yourself cynical, I would pretty much stop watching tv altogether if it got to the point I couldnt use a DVR or any form of recording device

[22:26:37]

Juski:

if I was in the freeview hd trial area I'd be testing its buns off

[22:26:38]

DNW:

oh o.k

[22:27:30]

sapbeast:

the stuff I want to watch is never on when I'm home or available to watch TV... this is why we have VCRs in the first place

[22:27:33]

Mattwj2005:

the truth of that matter the VCR has really helped the movie industry

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Juski:

like HELLO broadcasters.. I wanna watch what I want, when I want, where I want... not when YOU say etc... it's not about being able to share the stuff (I'm greedy like that), or to rob you of the funds to buy another Lear jet...

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sapbeast:

Mattwj2005: they didnt seem to think so around... oh... 1984?

[22:28:34]

sapbeast:

Juski: well they also dont owe us anything, but at the same time it would be a severe step backwards yes because the technology is here now where you can watch a show at your own leisure

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** kormoc pokes harddrives **

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Mattwj2005:

yeah it is ironic.....vcr tapes and now DVD players have helped the movie industry more than they could ever of dreamed of

[22:28:44]

kormoc:

they need to cheapen up...

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DNW:

yeah i bit far away in Baguley juski that manchester right?

[22:29:08]

sapbeast:

cheapen up? you can already get 400 gigs for $140 here

[22:29:14]

Juski:

DNW: near enough

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sapbeast:

if thats not cheap enough for you let me tell you the story of when 200 meg drives ran $800 :p

[22:29:43]

Mattwj2005:

even though downloading music is illegal in my cases....that has even helped the record industry.....because it was cause for creating iTunes

[22:29:49]

Mattwj2005:

*many

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kormoc:

sapbeast, heh, I well remember those days, but that doesnt' change the fact that I need more space, and my budget isn't that big :P

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FunkyELF:

hey guys, whats up

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FunkyELF:

I bought an IR transmitter / receiver a while ago. It does both at the same time and I don't know which one it is

[22:30:47]

sapbeast:

Mattwj2005: lets not make it a legal argument, the fact of the matter though is the tech has been available for decades now and even with VCRs you could skip commercials in recorded programs... yet NOW all of the sudden broadcasters are crying foul bloody murder

[22:31:10]

FunkyELF:

I never got around to trying out lirc and now I want to know what I bought. Does anyone off the top of their head know of ones that transmit and receive?

[22:31:20]

Juski:

sapbeast: they're scared, pure & simple

[22:31:40]

Juski:

the main thing they've prolly got against people downloading shows is that they have the ads cut out

[22:31:47]

Mattwj2005:

my only point is sometimes companies don't see what certain technologies can lead to

[22:31:58]

sapbeast:

I dont cut the ads out of my shows that i transcode

[22:32:10]

sapbeast:

I mean its just a few keypresses and i skip the ads anyways

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sapbeast:

but even that now is apparently verboten

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TinheadNed:

hey guys

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Juski:

hell I wouldn't mind seeing ads from another country once in a while ;-)

[22:32:33]

kormoc:

Well, I think the issue is more, it's easy to skip the ads now, with a vcr, it was always a bit of a pain

[22:32:46]

Mattwj2005:

sure beats commericals in the US :P

[22:32:50]

sapbeast:

kormoc: VCRs as early as 1988 had commercial skip buttons

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xris:

Juski: I've seen some very nice swedish ads on the net... they'd never get past the fcc's decency restrictions, though.

[22:33:11]

sapbeast:

and what was such of a pain hitting fast forward

[22:33:24]

Juski:

programme starts.. fades to black.. commercials... opening titles.. commercials... show segment.. commercials.. argghh!

[22:33:38]

sapbeast:

im pretty sure that US commercials are easily the most annoying in the world

[22:33:45]

sapbeast:

and most common in programming also

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** Mattwj2005 agrees **

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kormoc:

sapbeast, getting it to hit the right spot, my vcr was always dog slow, so if you miss the button right, you have to rewind, and do it a few times before you hit the magic spot

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sapbeast:

kormoc: must have been pretty crappy :) my old RCA selectavision from 1982 did that stuff perfectly

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Juski:

yeh use a vcr for a while & your reaction time improves a hell of a lot :-P

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sapbeast:

exactly, it was like playing a video game :p

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Juski:

remind me again... what's a vcr? ;-)

[22:35:10]

sapbeast:

its an electronic device that records analogue tv on plastic cassettes, but thats not important right now

[22:35:12]

Mattwj2005:

you know that round disc thing ;)

[22:35:16]

sapbeast:

whats important is you need to land this plane

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Juski:

anyone miss dropouts at the start of the only tape you could ever find to record that show at the last minute?

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Mattwj2005:

just kidding of course.......I don't miss VCRs

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Juski:

the 1st 10 minutes were always worn out to hell

[22:36:19]

bobbyz:

I've got a pvr-150 mce card and it's behaving very strangely: It works beautifully on tuner channels 1–12 and I get static on every other channel (though the channels show fine on my normal TVs). Has anyone else experienced this? I read through the IVTV wiki troubleshooting, but didn't see anyhting that applied

[22:36:20]

kormoc:

sapbeast, and the other issue with drive prices is, backups double the cost of the drives :/

[22:36:32]

Juski:

yeh.. like only being able to record one thing at a time... eew

[22:36:34]

TinheadNed:

is there any reason that mythtv svn appears to stutter more in playback than 0.19-fixes?

[22:36:38]

Mattwj2005:

change your frequencies

[22:36:46]

Juski:

TinheadNed: using DVB?

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TinheadNed:

i've got a quite low specced machine, but it worked w/o xvmc before

[22:36:54]

xris:

bobbyz: fine tune frequency info, maybe tweak the tuner type

[22:36:56]

TinheadNed:

Juski: yes

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sapbeast:

kormoc: well i understand the backup part... right now hard drive storage is in backup hell because there is no inexpensive or even moderately expensive method to reliably offload data from hard drives

[22:37:08]

Mattwj2005:

you probably have it in broadcast frequencies.....I am assuming you have cable.....or the other way around

[22:37:10]

sapbeast:

the only real solution right now is to use raid

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Juski:

TinheadNed: try going back to using xmltv for the EPG

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Mattwj2005:

bobbyz see my last comment

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Juski:

TinheadNed: I dunno if the EIT improvements have been brought into svn head yet

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kormoc:

sapbeast, aye, or a second box, which is what I'm gonna do, but when that dedicated backup box needs to backup over a tb, it adds up in cost rather fast

[22:37:56]

bobbyz:

Mattwj2005: hmmm...yeah I have cable...I guess I'll check the frequencies thing you mentioned

[22:38:05]

bobbyz:

that's an option in mythtv-setup, right?

[22:38:05]

sapbeast:

yeah i know the pvr-150 does not have tuner problems, it works flawlessly for me... so it has to be the frequencies

[22:38:10]

Mattwj2005:

ok cool let me know what you find

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Mattwj2005:

correct

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Juski:

TinheadNed: (they hog CPU like something not right no matter how much cpu you have)

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bobbyz:

Mattwj2005: thanks

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sapbeast:

kormoc: thats what i plan on doing in a month or two, building a 1.5TB backup array

[22:38:29]

Mattwj2005:

no problem

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sapbeast:

now the pvr-500 with samsung tuners then you have something you can complain about (well not really, samsung wont give the ivtv developers info)

[22:39:09]

TinheadNed:

Juski: I thought the EIT stuff was supposed to have got better in svn?

[22:39:10]

kormoc:

sapbeast, heh, at the rate my drives are growing, I'm gonna need to shell out for a 3 tb or so

[22:39:18]

xris:

sapbeast: neither would connexant.

[22:39:35]

xris:

hauppauge, on the other hand, has been awesome.. but bound by a stupid nda.

[22:39:58]

Juski:

TinheadNed: better, but not perfect.

[22:40:13]

Juski:

sapbeast: they got a samsung data sheet, I heard

[22:40:13]

sapbeast:

xris: as is the modern age when even when you own hardware the company still thinks that you should only do what they want you to do with it

[22:40:15]

TinheadNed:

Juski: i wonder if there's a patch in trac I can apply

[22:40:25]

Juski:

TinheadNed: there's a whole EIT branch

[22:40:29]

TinheadNed:

oh

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xris:

sapbeast: yeah. seems counterproductive... let the open source community write drivers for your product so you can SELL MORE OF THEM.

[22:40:45]

kormoc:

TinheadNed, also keep in mind, svn trunk is in development. it might just have been a bad commit that wasn't caught yet. Trunk isn't considered stable, it's there for testing

[22:40:51]

sapbeast:

Juski: it would be nice, im kind of having to half-assedly compensate for it on mine using noise filtering

[22:41:06]

sapbeast:

xris: mythtv is the reason i bought my pvr-150 and pvr-500

[22:41:14]

sapbeast:

it would have been a lost sale otherwise

[22:41:18]

Juski:

sapbeast: well, someone posted on mythtvtalk a link to the ivtv mailing list which looked more than just promising

[22:41:21]

TinheadNed:

kormoc: I realise – but I'd like to use mytharchive which doesn't work with 0.19-fixes.

[22:41:28]

Juski:

I'll dig...

[22:41:50]

xris:

sapbeast: same here with my pvr-150.. though I'd been using mythtv for over a year before that, and it's just sitting on a shelf now.

[22:41:55]

sapbeast:

Juski: yeah it would be exceptional progress, I hate having to schedule 2 shows at once because of that reason

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riddlebox:

xris, do I have to update the sql file that is talked about in the upgrade file?

[22:42:45]

xris:

riddlebox: for -fixes? I don't think so.. updates should be handled automatically

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sapbeast:

xris: well maybe I should clarify, the ivtv project was another reason to so I could finally attempt to archive all my VHS tapes which are not getting any newer

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riddlebox:

xris, ok

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xris:

sapbeast: ahh. I have imovie and a digital camcorder (with passthrough) for that kind of thing. :)

[22:43:23]

sapbeast:

and I sure as hell did not want to have to deal with hauppauge drivers in windows or windows programs for capturing video... after my horrible past experiences

[22:43:46]

sapbeast:

xris: i used to have a canon gl-2, which is a pity because that thing was very awesome

[22:44:00]

Mattwj2005:

what really concerns me about modern media is the life of CD-R, DVD-R, etc it makes VHS seem like it last for ever

[22:44:02]

xris:

I just need a firewire enclosure for this spare 200G drive so my wife's ibook can actually do the job.

[22:44:25]

xris:

Mattwj2005: huh? I've never had problems with optical media.

[22:44:28]

sapbeast:

Mattwj2005: thats somewhat been over sensationalized, well cared for CDR's last a long time

[22:44:31]

Juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3102

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xris:

just don't buy the cheap stuff.

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Mattwj2005:

that is just what I have heard....

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sapbeast:

the problem with CDR media is the fading of the dye used, but if you take care of your stuff its NEVER a problem

[22:44:57]

Mattwj2005:

as little as 2 years in the cheap cheap media

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sapbeast:

my oldest CDRs from 1998 still work

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xris:

Mattwj2005: I have a cdr backup that's 11–12 years old now. still works fine (although I never need it)

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kormoc:

sapbeast, that's not the only issue with cheap cdrs

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xris:

ok, wrong on that. it's from 1996, so 10 years

[22:45:41]

sapbeast:

kormoc: imation discs had that HORRIBLE top coating that would flake off

[22:45:46]

sapbeast:

now those were truly unreliable discs

[22:46:19]

sapbeast:

however early verbatim painted white discs with blue dye? top notch

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sapbeast:

Juski: thanks for that link :)

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sapbeast:

ive been sticking to my current kernel until they post a fix for ivtv, I see no reason to upgrade from 0.4.4 yet or 2.6.15

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kormoc:

sapbeast, here you go, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1402533.stm <-- fungus that eats cdr dye :)

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sapbeast:

"Even though this fungus is widespread it could only develop on a CD in high humidity and high temperature, which is not the case most of the time," Mr Valls told the BBC.

[22:50:20]

sapbeast:

well if you have really old cd-rom pressed discs, you are probably familiar with aluminium oxidation also

[22:50:27]

kormoc:

sapbeast, there's a few dozen things like that tho, I've heard of a baterica that grew on the one type of coating they used. it's really a crap-shoot at time

[22:50:29]

kormoc:

aye

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sapbeast:

so you do snicker at the old quote from early cd-rom proponents that discs would last a century

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xris:

sapbeast: gold cd

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sapbeast:

xris: laserdisc owners were not so fortunate

[22:51:21]

xris:

and aluminum in cd's shouldn't oxidize if the cd was made properly

[22:51:48]

xris:

encased in plastic == no oxygen == no oxidization

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kormoc:

ahh, but the sides are not sealed

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sapbeast:

yeah it was a sealing problem with older laserdiscs and cdroms

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xris:

kormoc: the are on good disks

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sapbeast:

still it didnt exactly help thier early claims of longevity

[22:52:46]

kormoc:

true enough

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sapbeast:

does not matter anyways, no media is future proof... the new problem is being *format* proof

[22:53:37]

kormoc:

I really want to get away from cd's/dvd's entirely, but it's such a large admount of data...

[22:53:38]

sapbeast:

stuff that HAS survived a good amount of years has the issue of having the hardware to play it back!

[22:53:58]

sapbeast:

or let alone the software necessary to interpret it (like say old databases)

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Mattwj2005:

and sapbeast don't forget copy proof ;)

[22:54:43]

sapbeast:

kormoc: perpendicular recording once it makes a bigger dent in new drives may solve that problem for at least a few years

[22:54:44]

TinheadNed:

Juski: quick question – do you do okay w.o EIT? just on RT or whatever?

[22:55:21]

Juski:

TinheadNed: yeh apart from when wombledon overruns by 6 hours or something

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kormoc:

sapbeast, true enough, but it's still aways off

[22:55:41]

sapbeast:

one of the nice things about hard drive development is it has kept up its exponential growth in sizes

[22:56:01]

sapbeast:

kormoc: 750gb seagate is perpendicular recording, its expensive but so were thin-film head drives in 1985

[22:56:07]

sapbeast:

give it a year

[22:56:13]

TinheadNed:

Juski: saying that, when films have been on 5 minutes late I've still missed the end despite EIT

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kormoc:

a year is aways off when my drives are full today :P

[22:56:24]

sapbeast:

so its NOT vapor ware, its just expensive

[22:56:43]

sapbeast:

kormoc: having the best always means spending more money, that was true 20 years ago and true today

[22:56:52]

kormoc:

hehe, I know

[22:57:10]

** xris could use his SoC earnings to get an lcd tv..... **

[22:57:14]

sapbeast:

however the cost of entry is significantly less... a top of the line machine 20 years ago easily set you back $5000

[22:57:28]

sapbeast:

you can make a pretty bad ass machine today for $1000 or so

[22:57:29]

Mattwj2005:

xris your part of the SoC?

[22:57:40]

kormoc:

sapbeast, it's not that hard to hit that price point for a top end machine today

[22:57:47]

Mattwj2005:

what is your project?

[22:57:50]

xris:

mythtv mentor for 2 projects (well, 1 now that one student dropped out)

[22:58:06]

sapbeast:

kormoc: you have to be insanely excessive, even the most bad ass computers I ordered at work recently "only" came out to just under 4 grand

[22:58:12]

Mattwj2005:

what is the project? what project did you lose?

[22:58:13]

xris:

Mattwj2005: mythweb and (pre-dropout) mythexport

[22:58:26]

sapbeast:

and these were bleeding edge dual core xeons with $2000 quadro workstation video cards

[22:58:42]

Mattwj2005:

mythweb will be awesome

[22:58:59]

Mattwj2005:

what is going to happen to the mythexport project?

[22:59:00]

xris:

Mattwj2005: yeah, I need to spend some time this weekend to see what of DrNickRiviera's changes can be merged into trunk

[22:59:12]

Juski:

gardengnome: you around?

[22:59:27]

xris:

mythexport is now defunct until I relearn c++ or geoff takes over

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Mattwj2005:

pointers are such a pain

[23:00:16]

sapbeast:

i figured out how to do my own custom exports anyways using user jobs, i transcode my material how I want it full auto now... although less than elegant

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** xris likes pointers **

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TinheadNed:

xris: nah, c++ is all references – pointers are so C99

[23:01:08]

xris:

sapbeast: but then you don't get the benefit of the mpeg2fix code in mythtranscode, which I'd like to get separated out.

[23:01:15]

Mattwj2005:

well they are quite handy.....I just hate when they crash your program ;)

[23:01:48]

sapbeast:

xris: i do not transcode to mpeg2

[23:01:54]

xris:

sapbeast: FROM

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sapbeast:

what does that do though?

[23:02:12]

sapbeast:

forgive me im ignorant ~_~

[23:02:13]

xris:

prevents AV sync problems

[23:02:48]

sapbeast:

havent really had that problem myself though... i use mencoder

[23:02:50]

xris:

that's why nuvexport runs everything through mythtranscode before encoding.. myth's built in player gets around a lot of those problems.

[23:03:09]

sapbeast:

i guess my milage may vary...

[23:03:14]

xris:

pretty much

[23:03:41]

sapbeast:

i have it set where it limits the size to 700MB for 30min

[23:03:58]

sapbeast:

although some well behaved programs come out needing less bits

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riddlebox:

xris, how do you know what the svn version you are running is?

[23:05:33]

xris:

riddlebox: of mythbackend --version

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xris:

though that just gives you the date not the svn rev.

[23:06:08]

sapbeast:

my myth box runs too stable now for me even to think about using SVN version :(

[23:06:23]

xris:

riddlebox: svn revision doesn't mean much, though, since it's not tied to a specific branch.

[23:06:38]

riddlebox:

xris, myth status says 0.19.20060121–2

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xris:

r10369 (what I'm running) can refer to "trunk" or ".19-fixes" or ".17" or whatever

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D-side:

xris: i think i've asked you this before, but i can't remember. how does nuvexport determine if a filetype is available? i.e. ipod or psp output

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kormoc:

sapbeast, https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist . . . Title=5k+box

[23:09:44]

kormoc:

sapbeast, $5,600 for a box that is top of the line for gaming, and not beyond what some people I know have

[23:10:25]

scopeuk:

kormoc great now change the $ for an £ and i can have one in the uk for almost double the cost (honestly it pisses me off how much we get ripped or componants)

[23:10:43]

scopeuk:

yet there is a tax break for full systems hence $evil proprietor can do ti cheap

[23:10:45]

xris:

D-side: ffmpeg -formats (assuming you're talking about ffmpeg)

[23:10:54]

kormoc:

scopeuk, ouch

[23:11:30]

D-side:

i am.

[23:11:50]

xris:

D-side: you'd have to look into the individual module to see what formats it checks for

[23:11:53]

scopeuk:

eg your graphics card

[23:12:08]

scopeuk:

$599.99 or in the uk £422

[23:12:46]

D-side:

xris: i'll have to. the psp fileformat shows up under a -formats, but its not enabled in the script.

[23:12:49]

kormoc:

yeah, bout $775 or so

[23:12:53]

D-side:

i'll take a shot. thanks.

[23:14:02]

scopeuk:

i make it about $780 at current rates

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Juski:

wow!!!! from boot to mythfrontend in 38 seconds! go zenslack!

[23:14:17]

scopeuk:

an exta $200 bucks nea enough

[23:14:32]

scopeuk:

not bad now i wonder what a linux bios machien could do it in

[23:14:36]

xris:

D-side: look at export/ffmpeg/PSP.pm to see what specifically it looks for

[23:14:42]

xris:

there's more than just file format.

[23:15:45]

Juski:

scopeuk: and that's with it waiting 10 secs before it mounts /

[23:16:05]

scopeuk:

juski very nice

[23:16:14]

scopeuk:

any reason for such a long wait or is it nfs booting?

[23:16:59]

Juski:

dunno

[23:17:02]

Juski:

I can tweak it

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Juski:

rotfl... where the hell is the watch recordings screen hmmm?

[23:17:49]

kormoc:

recordign got removed, as it makes the box faster without them :P

[23:18:34]

Juski:

heheh they only edited a menu xml file

[23:19:19]

Juski:

I wonder what kind of USB dvdrom drives you can get these days... this box is much more snappier than my epia thanks to slackware

[23:19:37]

Juski:

better looking too

[23:20:01]

Juski:

course we don't _technically_ have to have a dvd drive in the livingroom

[23:20:09]

Juski:

but that's not very high on the WAF front

[23:22:17]

Juski:

damn keyboard layout is german though

[23:22:45]

TinheadNed:

well, i've removed EIT – but the RT grabber has created some new channels for e.g. More4 and put the channel data in that. the new channels don't tune

[23:23:09]

Juski:

TinheadNed: I hope you backed up the DB

[23:23:20]

TinheadNed:

Juski: did that before I upgraded

[23:23:33]

Juski:

you don't have any video source linked to the channels you've got I expect

[23:24:20]

Juski:

and maybe the new channels are missing mplexid info

[23:26:23]

D-side:

well. as i dont code, that perl module means nothing to me. i thought i might be able to figure it out. i was wrong.

[23:26:28]

D-side:

oh well. i can live with it.

[23:26:45]

TinheadNed:

i never quite understood the channel table – is this something that is easy to fix with some sql tweaking (e.g. via mythweb)?

[23:26:51]

xris:

D-side: select the option, it'll tell you what it's missing

[23:27:06]

Juski:

TinheadNed: not with mythweb, no

[23:27:19]

xris:

and you need to make sure that -formats says you can *encode* not just recognize the file format.

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D-side:

xris: i got that far. bitches about psp video not being able to be encoded. far as i can tell, it'll fail on two different points. video enc, and aac enc

[23:27:42]

Juski:

TinheadNed: if you have a channel.conf file handy, find out what freq & serviceid the new channels are

[23:27:56]

D-side:

lets see

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Juski:

TinheadNed: then find out from the dtv_multiplex table which freq is which mplexid

[23:28:33]

Juski:

TinheadNed: then enter the mplexid & serviceid for the new channels in the channel table

[23:28:37]

D-side:

E psp psp mp4 format

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D-side:

i expect E = encode, no?

[23:29:18]

Juski:

jees. slackware is the business innit? doing the same thing that made minimyth run out of ram.. and I have 30MB RAM spare out of 128

[23:29:19]

TinheadNed:

Juski: hmm, I can't quite decide if mythtv head is worth it or not – could just go back to previous . .

[23:29:37]

Juski:

TinheadNed: yeah you could..

[23:29:51]

Juski:

if you're not used to mysql mangling it's a bit of hassle

[23:30:06]

Juski:

I could talk you through it if you want though

[23:30:29]

TinheadNed:

well, seeing as at work i'm writing a load of postgres code, I'd be a bit of wuss to not get elbow deep in DBs at home :D

[23:30:41]

TinheadNed:

and I suppose technically the old tables were wrong anyway . .

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gardengnome:

re

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gardengnome:

Juski: yep.

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TinheadNed:

i think i'll have a sleep on it – see how the dvd burning goes overnight – and maybe rollback or not in the morning

[23:31:54]

TinheadNed:

Juski: thx for the help though

[23:32:03]

TinheadNed:

cya all

[23:33:14]

gardengnome:

darn, i really need to fix that ground loop in my hifi </euphemism> setup. the pundit is acting up, too. when i scroll through the list of my recordings, i hear noise in the speakers when it's accessing the disk.

[23:33:35]

Juski:

gardengnome: s'okay now.. I just needed the zen root password for zen, in a zen style

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D-side:

hm. weird.

[23:33:58]

gardengnome:

Juski: ummk.

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Juski:

gardengnome: how fscking fast does zenslack boot up? man! 38 secs from powerup to mythfrontend

[23:34:28]

Juski:

just editing some stuff now to get menus back the way they should be

[23:34:34]

gardengnome:

Juski: huh? it's like 2 minutes for me.

[23:34:41]

gardengnome:

Juski: do you want me to send you the .xml files?

[23:35:03]

Juski:

gardengnome: it's alright... though i might need help getting a uk keyboard layout impregnated into it

[23:35:07]

gardengnome:

Juski: did you enable the rootdelay stuff in lilo.conf? does your s100 wait like 9s before accessing the MBR?

[23:35:38]

gardengnome:

Juski: if the keymap isn't there, grab one from a slackware install. of maybe the one from your gentoo/ubuntu boxen will work, too

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Juski:

gardengnome: I'm gonna take the nasty root delay out

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gardengnome:

Juski: good luck. :)

[23:36:17]

Juski:

xml files edited...

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sha:

where can i get a lircrc example file?

[23:36:26]

** scopeuk predicts a global catastrophy **

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Juski:

memory usage is pretty damn low too..

[23:36:48]

gardengnome:

humm. for mythvideo (using the internal player), is it possible to have bookmarks in svn?

[23:36:50]

Juski:

sha: www.mythtv.org? any of the howto sites.. like wilsonet etc...

[23:37:05]

Juski:

gardengnome: supposed to be, from what I read about it

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gardengnome:

sha: look in contrib/ in the mythtv sources. if you're using packages, they're probably in /usr/share/doc/mythtv/

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sha:

gardengnome: seems not to be distributed

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gardengnome:

Juski: nice. scorpi made a script that lets you build .debs from svn, i'll see if i can make it work on my ubuntu and debian boxen.

[23:38:17]

sha:

at least slocate can't find anything with "lircrc"

[23:38:35]

D-side:

this, to me, looks like it should work.

[23:38:43]

scopeuk:

gardengnome could that lead to snapshots for not so brave/time consios users?

[23:38:52]

gardengnome:

sha: if you're sure they are not in the package, file a bug report and grab them from svn.mythtv.org in the meantime.

[23:39:34]

kormoc:

did you update your locate db before searching?

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sha:

kormoc: yep

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gardengnome:

scopeuk: that'll lead to a repository, yes. for me. it'll be hosted on a 100mbit connection, so if anyone happens to install my packages, that's fine with me. i will not take any responsibility, though.

[23:40:21]

Juski:

dammit. the remote has no 'i'

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scopeuk:

gardengnome isent that prety much what all oss software says

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gardengnome:

scopeuk: kind of, yes. but i really do mean it :)

[23:41:19]

scopeuk:

yes they all do

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gardengnome:

you shouldn't run svn trunk unless you know what you're doing.

[23:41:42]

scopeuk:

i seam to remember one eula which had a cluse abstaining the author from killing crops/causign a plague of locusts

[23:41:56]

scopeuk:

yeh well im jsut stupid and do stuff like that

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gardengnome:

heh :)

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scopeuk:

atm im running .19

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D-side:

amen to that.

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D-side:

:D

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gardengnome:

i need to look into creating debian packages from scratch. mytharchive needs some serious .deb love :)

[23:43:29]

scopeuk:

although im considerign bloxing up my box and putting svn on it

[23:44:51]

scopeuk:

or maby i should setup oneof my "spare" boxes with svn

[23:45:18]

scopeuk:

then again my main one isent used for myth much atm (till i get round to resolving the arial issue)

[23:45:22]

gardengnome:

are they even slower than your current box?

[23:45:25]

Juski:

damn again.. no menu key either.. grrr

[23:45:27]

scopeuk:

nope

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scopeuk:

same spec

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gardengnome:

Juski: umm.

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scopeuk:

have a dual p2 to play with now

[23:45:56]

scopeuk:

althguh ill have to learn how to use scsi drives before i can use that for myth

[23:45:58]

Juski:

oh btw I got rumbled about the other s100 box

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Juski:

I left the 2 remotes side by side & my wife noticed.. oops

[23:46:38]

gardengnome:

Juski: wait a second. there's something interesting in the mythtv plugin. look for some .sql dump. panzaeron or whoever made it also created some keybindings. inserting them into your db might be a good start, but i haven't gotten to it yet.

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gardengnome:

Juski: ouch.

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scopeuk:

rookie mistake

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scopeuk:

i thought better of you

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Juski:

nah she's fine about it

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gardengnome:

scopeuk: women are evil. she would have noticed sooner or later.

[23:47:20]

scopeuk:

i know

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scopeuk:

i also knwo puttign things in the loft and sayign you had it before you mett/married can sometimes work

[23:47:42]

Juski:

oh good. mythfrontend segfaulted when I tried the keymap editor

[23:47:47]

scopeuk:

althgouh the s100's are a bit new

[23:48:16]

kormoc:

"Yes hon, I bought that 2007 car 5 years ago, before we meet!"

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Juski:

bah I'm _so_ gonna wipe lilo off this thing

[23:48:39]

Juski:

I hate it

[23:48:53]

Juski:

wanna change a bootup thing? oh just flatten the bootsector again

[23:49:14]

D-side:

heh.

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gardengnome:

Juski: same for me with the segfault, other people have it, too.

[23:49:45]

Juski:

gardengnome: I've seen it on another box too

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gardengnome:

when the GF saw my s100, she was like "god, do you buy stuff just to break it?!" :/

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Juski:

rofl

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Juski:

mine said, as I took the lid off.. "oh my god... this has to be a record. you normally wait before you take stuff to bits"

[23:50:36]

scopeuk:

heh i know i do

[23:50:42]

scopeuk:

im sometimes given stuff jsut to break

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gardengnome:

scopeuk: you work in a kindergarten?

[23:51:09]

scopeuk:

no

[23:51:17]

scopeuk:

heh now there is an idea for a summer job

[23:51:20]

gardengnome:

heh

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Juski:

and hell! it's 00:50 and my wife still hasn't rung up for her 'taxi'.. pfft

[23:51:41]

gardengnome:

heh. took mine home at 00:42 :)

[23:51:45]

scopeuk:

the wonders of NOT driving

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kormoc:

on a friday night no less!

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Juski:

yeh well if I go out tomorrow it's her turn

[23:53:23]

kormoc:

Says the guy who's sat at home and played with his s100 for a week stright :P

[23:53:26]

scopeuk:

yeh il work towards that sposed id need a girfriends first through

[23:53:36]

scopeuk:

kormoc only a week?

[23:53:39]

scopeuk:

seams liek a month

[23:53:49]

gardengnome:

scopeuk: make sure you don't neglect the disadvantages that come with one.

[23:54:04]

kormoc:

insanity?

[23:54:19]

scopeuk:

i was gonna go with the cash trap

[23:54:41]

scopeuk:

althgouh i can honestly say if soemoen emptied my bank acount theyed need to use the teller becouse machines dotn hand out copers

[23:55:12]

Juski:

coppers.. heh

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gardengnome:

kormoc: sleepless nights? not sure how to think about that.

[23:56:02]

scopeuk:

gardengnome there are two varieties

[23:56:12]

scopeuk:

the good kind and the ones where you get beaten up and screamed at

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kormoc:

gardengnome, heh, my history with the fairer sex tends to be full of girls who are... less then... stable.

[23:56:32]

Juski:

that was me, a few years ago

[23:56:50]

Juski:

bunny boilers, every one of them

[23:56:55]

scopeuk:

my history is a few scatered friendsships and being slapped but there we go

[23:57:08]

Juski:

stayed single for a few years & then hit the jackpot

[23:57:23]

gardengnome:

being slapped? hrm. some people like that, you know.

[23:57:23]

Juski:

then linux came into my life :-/

[23:57:32]

Juski:

some people _pay_ for that

[23:57:33]

scopeuk:

gardengnome not me

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gardengnome:

Juski: your problem is that you're still running windows on some boxen. that's like having two wives.

[23:57:53]

scopeuk:

although the amount of contact i acctualyl ahve wit hreal people has picked up alot since i finsihed school

[23:58:03]

kormoc:

yeah, he doesn't need to pay, e can just walk up to a girl, say something and get it for free!

[23:58:13]

gardengnome:

scopeuk: so the people at your school are not real?

[23:58:14]

scopeuk:

gardengnome im in a room wit htwo windows boxes and 3 linus boxes atm

[23:58:24]

scopeuk:

gardengnome nope

[23:58:34]

scopeuk:

all made of ally and plastic

[23:58:42]

scopeuk:

i was a recluse at school

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** kormoc thinks scopeuk had a few drinks this evening. **

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Juski:

gardengnome: if I put linux on my wife's laptop I may aswell move out now

[23:59:06]

scopeuk:

small social group botu 5 or 6 of us sit around talkign about topics that whoud either confuse or go over the heads of most of the "normal" peopls

[23:59:16]

scopeuk:

kormoc unfurtunately no

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gardengnome:

Juski: well, it'll lead to tuxish spiritual fulfillment.

[23:59:25]

scopeuk:

if its the typing check the logs its always this bad

[23:59:32]

scopeuk:

the school thing was an attept at humour

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kormoc:

scopeuk, strange, I didn't remember that you had bad typing, but all well

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