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Thursday, July 6th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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xris:

WyKiD: video card won't be the greatest for tv out, but it all sounds good

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jieryn:

GreyFoxx: i'm still getting 0 byte files, cat some.mpg > blahblahblah.mpg isn't resolving it.. mythfrontend crashes on watch tv

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Mattwj2005:

why would you want to do a > ?

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Mattwj2005:

shouldn't it be a >> ?

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xris:

jieryn: mythfrontend -v all

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kormoc:

Mattwj2005, doesn't matter in this case

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xris:

make it crash, get an error

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kormoc:

>> will append to the end of the file

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kormoc:

> will over write the target file

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jieryn:

xris: http://sh.nu/p/2213

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jieryn:

xris: it doesn't actually *crash* but just hangs

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xris:

jieryn: you're missing something there... should be a "changing from ... to 'watching live tv'"

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xris:

or something like that

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jieryn:

-v all was quite spammy, i just took the last 10 lines

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jieryn:

you want the entire thing?

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jieryn:

xris: http://sh.nu/p/2214

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jieryn:

that is from switch to livetv onward

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xris:

jieryn: now stop your backend and run `mythbackend -v all` and do the same thing

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jieryn:

xris: http://sh.nu/p/2216

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xris:

jieryn: you have a pvr-150, right?

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jieryn:

yes

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xris:

then why is it configured to use v4l?

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xris:

/dev/v4l/video0

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jieryn:

/dev/video0 is a symlink to it

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kormoc:

xris, ivtv hops into /dev/v4l/*

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xris:

ahh

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jieryn:

any ideas? :)

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xris:

must be something that happened when they added it to the vanilla kernel

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Zider:

I prefer chokolate over vanilla.

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Zider:

:P

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kormoc:

I donno, chokolate sounds a bit rough

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xris:

jieryn: no... unless maybe you don't have the ivtv firmware installed properly

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jieryn:

cat /dev/video0 | mplayer – works fine

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jieryn:

hm

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jieryn:

or not!

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jieryn:

this might require a reboot or something

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jieryn:

mythbackend fscked me i bet

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kormoc:

line 422: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding

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kormoc:

check your dmesg

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jieryn:

cx25840 0–0044: 0x0000 is not a valid video input!

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jieryn:

mythfrontend[7199]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 00002b9654bffa97 rsp 00007fffffc51410 error 6

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kormoc:

check your input settings, you really really should have a tuner0

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kormoc:

reboot of course, ivtv isn't gonna be happy till you do

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jieryn:

for pvr-150? the quick searches i've found show that it is tuner1

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jieryn:

kk :) brb

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xris:

kormoc: pvr-150 is a bit wacky.. tuner number depends on a bunch of things, so it might be tuner1

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kormoc:

strange

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kormoc:

but fair nuff

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xris:

but probably video0 if it was working by defaults

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kormoc:

before he said he only had input as a input, no tuner* or composite* or anything else

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kormoc:

which doesn't seem right at all to me

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xris:

that's definitely wrong, then

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xris:

ooh, suddenly it's 5:30 and time to go home.

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jieryn:

ok, seems to be working now

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bootleg:

im trying to get my oneforall 8910 remote working with lirc. When I use irrecord it says 'gap not found' however the hauppauge remote works fine (or atleast it detects the gap) – any suggestions ?

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Mrgoose:

hello

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Mrgoose:

any idea what this means "ivtv: giving up waiting for DMA pending clear

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Mrgoose:

"

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bootleg:

alright – scratch my problem with irrecord, the 8910's IR beam sucks beyond belief, i have be within 3 degrees of the receiver unit for it to pick up – the hauppauge remote i can actually bend my wrist all the way up and down and it still works

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Mrgoose:

when i try cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg , i dont get an error but it just produces a 0kb file

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xris:

Mrgoose: firmware installed correctly?

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pmowry:

Hi, Work has kept me to busy the past few months. Anyone using a recent SVN version of mythtv with a PVR-350 TV-out? I'm currently running ver. 0.19.20060121–2 and I'm concerned about the GUI rewrite.

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pmowry:

Thanks anyway. I'll dig out another hard drive and install the latest SVN there this weekend. The wife will kill me if I make here miss the 4400 because I cant revert back.

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Sebulba02:

aww

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stevenm:

Hello. Just put in PVR-150, installed ivtv. Nothing shows up on video0 and 'Watch TV' is a blank screen. Ideas?

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Sebulba02:

Is it plugged in? Right input?

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stevenm:

yep

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stevenm:

I get a lot of these- ivtv0: i2c addr 0x44 not found for command 0xc0445624!

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Sebulba02:

That's beyond me.

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stevenm:

That may be a problem.. how to fix?

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GreyFoxx:

Might wanna ask the ivtv guys

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GreyFoxx:

#ivtv-dev

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GreyFoxx:

I've seen that error mentioned before,but I don't know what caused or fixed it

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stevenm:

dang..

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h0ser:

im trying to get lirc to work with myth, ive downloaded the haup.250 lircd.conf file, when i run irw as root the buttons show up, and i copied the supplied lircrc file into ~/.lircrc but nothing happens ... any suggestions?

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Goose-DC:

hello

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Anduin:

h0ser: myth uses ~/.mythtv/lircrc for native lirc support

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h0ser:

still no luck, i have "/home/low/.mythtv/lircrc" and "/home/low/.mythtv/.lircrc" (low is the username i am logging in / launching mythfrontend) this is also a .19 compile – i didnt think i had to enable lirc support specificaly for .19

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stevenm:

Sebulba02, GreyFoxx, never mind- got it. If anyone has problems like this, the fix was to enable some modules in the kernel. Dmesg mentioned which ones

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stevenm:

Oh that is nice quality !

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h0ser:

i have lircd -n running, am i suppose to see something when i launch mythfrontend ?

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Anduin:

h0ser: If you didn't enable it during the build, it isn't enabled (you can mythfrontend --version and look for using_lirc)

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Anduin:

stevenm: tuner module?

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h0ser:

sigh – not there

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h0ser:

is it harmful to redo ./configure (with lirc) and make and make install? i have everything else working...

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stevenm:

Anduin, nah, had that from bttv.. some encoder modules, wm8775 or something, and the conexant chip too

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stevenm:

now to reinstall lirc with this kernel and turn on VBI support

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stevenm:

Is it not possible to use VBI with the Hauppage cards?

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jieryn:

hi.. i must be stupid, when i am inside Live TV and then i hit 'S' to go into the Channel Guide; how do i make the channel under mouse/selector become active/

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jieryn:

?

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d3ity:

hey all

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d3ity:

I'd like to have my channel listings back please? could anyone help me out with that.

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Anduin:

jieryn: Look in keys.txt

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h0ser:

anyone else see a problem in recompiling mythtv? i didnt compile it with lirc, but would hate to lose everything else i have working already

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jieryn:

yah, i must not be understanding the proper language

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jieryn:

Anduin: i've looked, perhaps overlooked.. but, not seeing it

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Anduin:

h0ser: Recompile, make install, it doesn't break things.

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d3ity:

anyway, my "Blocked Time" should be up, and even after running mythfilldatabase, I still have no channel listings

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jieryn:

Anduin: ok, i see space/enter for "change channel to channel of current listed program" however, that drops me into the record menu

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Anduin:

jieryn: M

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Anduin:

d3ity: Did you save the output?

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jieryn:

Anduin: I'm looking at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/keys.txt and altho your technique works just great, tyvm, i don't see it in the listing

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d3ity:

Anduin, it was several hours ago, so no I did not

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d3ity:

I'll try mythfilldatabase, but is there any way to clear it all out so I can be sure?

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Anduin:

jieryn: train harder, line 192

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jieryn:

ah, EPG is something program guide?

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h0ser:

ok thanks – ill try

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evilmnky:

what does mythtv use to grab the dvd covers ?

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Anduin:

d3ity: mythtv-setup would let you, you could also go remove/readd your lineups, etc

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Anduin:

jieryn: Electronic Program Guide

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d3ity:

hrumph

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jieryn:

nice one, thx

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d3ity:

my channels only show up as "Adding channel #" anyway

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d3ity:

I don't get actual channel names off my listings

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d3ity:

it just keeps saying did not find any new program data when I run mythfill

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evilmnky:

movie posters's site ?

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Anduin:

d3ity: Are you doing the scan? Or allowing the linup to add them on first fill?

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d3ity:

scan

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d3ity:

the only way anything at all shows up

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Anduin:

evilmnky: Look at imdb.pl (hint, one of the sites is the name of that file)

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groogs__:

this is driving me crazy. every day — i'm not sure when, exactly — myth removes all my upcoming recordings, and won't record shows that day.. if i restart mythtv-backend, it reschedules the recordings.. but by tomorrow they'll be gone again

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evilmnky:

Anduin: I know what IMDB is bro.. I didnt know there were large dvd covers you can access...

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evilmnky:

Anduin: how do you access the covers in a large format like that.. from the site ? I've bee playing with it for like 10 minutes..

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groogs__:

the only suspicious thing i see in the log is this: http://pastebin.ca/80118

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groogs__:

otherwise, it just says "Running housekeeping" all day long

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evilmnky:

if you just click the thumbnail, it loads pictures from primers/etc

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Anduin:

evilmnky: Look at the script, there are links to other pages that imdb.pl knows how to look for.

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h0ser:

oh – it looks like when i just do ./configure the output says lirc support | yes which is what i did the first time around...

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Anduin:

jieryn: It is an SoC project, if it is actually finished remains to be seen.

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d3ity:

http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/iPREk338.html <-- Anduin

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Anduin:

h0ser: Did you look at what mythfrontend --version output?

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h0ser:

yeah, it wasnt listed, but the default ./configure output says lirc support is enabled

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jieryn:

Anduin: interns suck, unless they're cute

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h0ser:

the walkthrough on mythtv.com doesnt say to compile it specially or anything which is what threw me off

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evilmnky:

anduin: forget it

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evilmnky:

I just downloaded the plugin source.. thanks 0_o

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d3ity:

even after that run I just did Anduin, it still doesn't give me any channel listings

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Anduin:

d3ity: Yeah, that isn't a successful run.

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d3ity:

Anduin, whats wrong with my run?

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d3ity:

it's been hours since my last

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h0ser:

did anyone have to do a special compile of mythtv.19 to get native lirc working, or does .19 install it by default ?

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Anduin:

d3ity: run this: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/V1USk539.html

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d3ity:

ends with "Authorization Failed"

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Anduin:

d3ity: Did you edit it?

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d3ity:

no, but I probably should have

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Anduin:

Yes.

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evilmnky:

is there a way to tune mythtv, it is really laggy on my box and it's a 2Ghz machine .. just loading an empty/default mythtv install

[02:40:46]

evilmnky:

it's really slow

[02:41:03]

evilmnky:

the box only has 256MB of ram thou, could that be the problem?

[02:41:18]

Hoxzer:

;)

[02:42:03]

evilmnky:

well, the docs say 256 is good enough

[02:42:14]

evilmnky:

but, it really doesnt run right.. even if it's the only thing running on the machine

[02:42:26]

evilmnky:

the distro is ubuntu, the install is from the packages not source

[02:42:37]

Hoxzer:

evilmnky: I'm not going to help you, I'm just curious what X do you run?

[02:42:50]

evilmnky:

Hoxzer: why ?

[02:42:54]

d3ity:

Anduin, now what shalt I do?

[02:43:04]

evilmnky:

Hoxzer: you want to exploit ?

[02:43:08]

Hoxzer:

because I'm a human being, and humans are curious

[02:43:15]

Hoxzer:

evilmnky: no, I want to know

[02:43:31]

xris:

evilmnky: for one, please upgrade to the latest version (last time I checked, the official ub packages were only for .18)

[02:43:48]

xris:

Hoxzer: well, if he's running ubuntu, that'd be xorg

[02:43:48]

evilmnky:

ah ok.. it's running whatever ubuntu runs by default.. so, I'm guessing 6.x.x

[02:44:10]

Anduin:

d3ity: /tmp/zap2it.data is a file you can gzip -cd > z.xml and look at what the server is sending down, if you put the file up somewhere and send me a link I'll look at it as well.

[02:44:34]

evilmnky:

xorg.org

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evilmnky:

Please visit this site later; under construction. copyright @1999

[02:44:37]

evilmnky:

wtf

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d3ity:

z.xml is 0 byte

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Anduin:

d3ity: Did you just run exactly what I typed?

[02:46:06]

d3ity:

no.

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Anduin:

d3ity: how large is zap2it.data?

[02:46:42]

d3ity:

pretty big

[02:46:45]

d3ity:

oh, duh

[02:46:55]

d3ity:

i was in the wrong directory when i did that command, thanks midnight commander

[02:47:20]

evilmnky:

xris: what has changed between that version and .18 ?

[02:47:33]

evilmnky:

xris: is there a tuning guide for mythtv yet ?

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kormoc:

evilmnky, try x.org

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xris:

evilmnky: more than I know... it's listed in the changelog in the wiki

[02:47:53]

xris:

evilmnky: tuning like tweaking to make it more efficient?

[02:48:16]

xris:

or changing channels?

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evilmnky:

xris: making it more efficient, sorry.. at work

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xris:

evilmnky: well... better video card, hardware encoder card, more ram... not a lot to do in software

[02:50:38]

evilmnky:

there are no known issues with software, that cause lag ?

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xris:

you have a software encoder?

[02:51:07]

kormoc:

evilmnky, no, there's no magic params to tune to make it faster

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evilmnky:

kormoc: are you a developer ?

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kormoc:

no

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d3ity:

Anduin, do you really need all of this, its about 100,000 lines

[02:53:04]

h0ser:

bah – lirc is driving me mad :)

[02:53:13]

coolego1:

I'm having issues with my transcoding – I'm getting errors when I attempt to transcode any show

[02:53:18]

evilmnky:

well, maybe not a magic parm but what about regular ones .. heh

[02:53:21]

coolego1:

my log looks like this -> http://code.bulix.org/6krkh7-9773

[02:53:28]

Anduin:

d3ity: Probably not, though the compressed version should be reasonable. Just make sure you have stations, lineups, and programs in there.

[02:53:50]

xris:

evilmnky: what kind of tuner card do you have, and what's the problem?

[02:54:01]

evilmnky:

there is no 'mythtv speed = fast' , but you can tune it I'm sure

[02:54:28]

evilmnky:

xris: I'm just using the video/dvd/music/games/weather modules right now.. I dont have a tuner in that box

[02:54:34]

kormoc:

evilmnky, beyond compiler optimizations, there's nothing really. and compiler optimizations are not that much of a improvement at all

[02:55:00]

evilmnky:

kormoc: you're saying it's already tuned/optmized as much as it can be ? out of the box ?

[02:55:16]

kormoc:

without getting elbow deep into the code, that's right

[02:55:35]

evilmnky:

didnt you say that you're not a developer, so how would you know

[02:55:37]

kormoc:

you can change hardware around to help it out, as xris has said, but software wise, there's nothing really.

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d3ity:

Anduin, theres a bunch of stuff in there that looks sane

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xris:

evilmnky: *especially* if all you're doing is messing in the menus

[02:56:14]

Anduin:

d3ity: Check the lineup id against the one in your videosource table.

[02:56:25]

xris:

evilmnky: what window manager are you using?

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kormoc:

evilmnky, hanging out in the channel for years and having people ask the same questions over and over again and getting told the same thing from devs, the wiki doesn't say anything at all, no mention on the -dev or -users mailing lists...

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d3ity:

Anduin, my sql syntax is a bit...well...nonexistant, care to help?

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evilmnky:

kormoc: just because users accept that something is slow and choose not to optimize it doesnt mean it's not capable of being optimized

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xris:

evilmnky: he knows because he's a gentoo freak. :)

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Anduin:

d3ity: select * from videosource;

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kormoc:

evilmnky, xris *is* a dev, and he's telling you the same thing I am...

[02:57:24]

linagee:

wow. i have dozens and dozens of potential recordings each day, but everything is a rerun! :(

[02:57:34]

linagee:

what ever happened to non-rerun tv.

[02:57:41]

evilmnky:

xris: gnome, could that be slowing it down ?

[02:57:49]

linagee:

i think maybe my tv is broke

[02:57:51]

xris:

evilmnky: it'll definitely eat your RAM

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d3ity:

there is precisley nothing in that table that I can see

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d3ity:

wait, one entry

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d3ity:

thats my cable entry

[02:58:41]

d3ity:

evilmnky, even if those gains are so minimal you probably will never notice them?

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evilmnky:

xris: I was thinking it was RAM for sure, but the docs said 256 is sufficent, and developers usually dont say an amount is enough to run something unless it is .. so I was confused.. I'll drop in a few gigs this weekend, it has 3 slots

[02:58:58]

Anduin:

d3ity: The lineupid column matches your file?

[02:59:06]

d3ity:

Anduin, it points to NULL

[02:59:18]

Anduin:

d3ity: That would suck for you then.

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xris:

evilmnky: sufficient != optimal

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kormoc:

evilmnky, you could check how much ram is being used, the free command in a terminal window will tell you that

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d3ity:

Anduin, indeed it does.

[02:59:39]

evilmnky:

xris: well, there is noticable lag, so I woudlnt call it useable

[02:59:41]

kormoc:

evilmnky, and you'd want the value under free on the second line of output

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xris:

evilmnky: lag doing what?

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Anduin:

d3ity: update videosource set lineupid = 'yourid' where sourceid = blah;

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xris:

and what speed cpu do you have?

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evilmnky:

xris: just navigating menus.. basic operations, I'm not even transcoding video or using the PVR functinality

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d3ity:

xris, granted, I do use 64 bit hardware, so gentoo...well...paid off for that, until more 64 bit distros came out

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xris:

d3ity: you mean like fedora and ubuntu and debian?

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kormoc:

suse as well

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d3ity:

xris, slamd64, I liked 1997

[03:01:14]

** d3ity is a slackware user **

[03:01:21]

xris:

I used to be.

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xris:

evilmnky: what cpu do you have?

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evilmnky:

xris: It's an AMD 2600 I think.. I need to be at home so I could tell you what you need to know, I was really just killing some time while this source is compiling ..

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kormoc:

heh, i know the guy who maintains slamd64, he's on the cedega beta team with me

[03:01:39]

d3ity:

I hate redhat, debian is nice, but ubuntu is just the worst distro I've ever seen in my life, it even topped FC2

[03:01:47]

d3ity:

kormoc, I do as well.

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d3ity:

kormoc, fred87:)

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kormoc:

d3ity, aye :)

[03:01:58]

d3ity:

aye.

[03:02:10]

xris:

evilmnky: no ssh access?

[03:02:11]

d3ity:

anyway, back to my hellish little problem, this yourid...

[03:02:13]

d3ity:

what might that be

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Anduin:

d3ity: Look at the lineup section of that XML file, it is easy to guess which one it is.

[03:02:56]

evilmnky:

xris: yeah but the modem rebooted and I dont have a script setup that send me the new IP

[03:03:15]

xris:

so then you don't *have* ssh access..

[03:03:24]

evilmnky:

xris: correct

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kormoc:

evilmnky, dyndns.org with ddclient works out really well

[03:03:51]

xris:

anyway, should be plenty fast

[03:03:57]

d3ity:

Anduin, and blah ==?

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evilmnky:

kormoc: yeah that is a cool script/service.. I need to set it up

[03:04:28]

Anduin:

d3ity: Probably 1, look at the select from videosource (though if you only have one you can just leave the where stuff out)

[03:04:29]

d3ity:

would that be the name of my input?

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d3ity:

ok

[03:04:43]

d3ity:

beautiful

[03:05:09]

d3ity:

now should I rerun mythfilldatabase?

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Anduin:

d3ity: Sure.

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** d3ity prays for good data **

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** d3ity will return later once he has made sandwiches **

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LabMonkey:

Anduin: hey uhm... my pvr-500 is saving my recordings as .mpeg

[03:09:31]

LabMonkey:

I'm wondering how to go about converting them to nuv automagically so I can run mythname.pl and mythencode.pl on them

[03:10:14]

LabMonkey:

xris: or is that something maybe you can answer

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xris:

LabMonkey: why do you want to convert them to nupplevideo?

[03:11:51]

LabMonkey:

because mythname.pl and mythencode.pl want .nuv

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xris:

I don't know what those do

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LabMonkey:

mythname converts the filename to a human-readable form

[03:12:39]

LabMonkey:

like Show-Title-date.ext

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xris:

use mythrename, it's FAR more powerful

[03:12:49]

LabMonkey:

and then encode is kind of a wrapper for mencode

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LabMonkey:

ahh

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xris:

and nuvexport for encoding...

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LabMonkey:

nuvexport can encode .mpeg to other formats?

[03:13:30]

xris:

yes

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LabMonkey:

awesome!

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xris:

that's the whole point

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LabMonkey:

well i thought it took .nuv and transcoded to other formats

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xris:

it takes mythtv recordings.

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xris:

doesn't care what kind they are

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LabMonkey:

ahh

[03:15:54]

LabMonkey:

hmm

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LabMonkey:

so I should run mythrename as a user job after the recordings?

[03:16:24]

Zider:

is the audio from digital-tv 44.1 or 48 KHz? or are there both?

[03:16:36]

LabMonkey:

and then I guess I could do the same with nuvexport

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xris:

LabMonkey: read the --help

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xris:

never understood why people want to run nuvexport automatically.

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Anduin:

xris: everything has to be exported to their iPod video

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xris:

but why automatically? it's MUCH better to cut the commercials out first

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Anduin:

blasphemer

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xris:

hey, it's my program. can't I dictate to people how they should use it? heh

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LabMonkey:

xris: well.. I'm still kinda new to this

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LabMonkey:

xris: what do you recommend for cutting commercials?

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bob1111:

Hey all.. i've been working on this for a few days, and cant seem to find the answer anywhere.. It seems when i try to make and include Xv and XvMC (which i want to do).. its looking in the wrong place for the .h files.. its looking in /usr/include/X11/extensions ... i need it to look in /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions WHERE DO I CHANGE THIS???

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opello:

bob1111: maybe there's a ./configure parameter like --xv-path=/blah or something? ./configure help should list most, or documentation should have them (or just look at the configure script)

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xris:

LabMonkey: um, mythtv

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LabMonkey:

xris: ?

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xris:

for cutting commercials

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LabMonkey:

it flags them

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LabMonkey:

but I didn't know it could cut them...

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xris:

and cuts them

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xris:

hit E while watching

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xris:

Z to import the flag list as a cutlist

[03:34:10]

xris:

what good is flagging if you can't cut them?

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LabMonkey:

ahh

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LabMonkey:

you said something before about cutting them by hand?

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xris:

with myth

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xris:

flagging is only 80–90% accurate

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LabMonkey:

so you can adjust it by hand in edit mode?

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xris:

yeah

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bob1111:

i dont see anything like --xv-path= ???

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** xris wonders how many people will be upset if he makes the new advanced search in mythweb accessible only to the javascript-friendly template. **

[03:44:45]

llyric:

yes

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llyric:

please make it fall back to something non-js capable

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xris:

llyric: for advanced search? quick search not good enough?

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Anduin:

bob1111: look at what the configure script actually does

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bob1111:

i havew been.. dont know what im missing

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xris:

llyric: and what browser are you using that isn't js-capable?

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LabMonkey:

emacs?

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Anduin:

bob1111: Which version (of myth)?

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llyric:

xris: I have js disabled, and would like the option of scripting mythweb access

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bob1111:

.19

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llyric:

Surely it's not hard to just make it fall back to a text box? :)

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xris:

llyric: you're one of very few...

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Anduin:

bob1111: And you've looked at has_header?

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xris:

and why script mythweb? wouldn't it be easier to just script access straight into the backend?

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llyric:

Not remotely, no (firewalls, proxies etc).

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Anduin:

People who can't use js just like to complain.

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kormoc:

llyric, you would be scripting advance searches?

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bob1111:

Anduin: guess i havent seen that.. is that in configure?

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llyric:

Probably not, no :)

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xris:

kormoc: you beat me to it

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kormoc:

hehe

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Phantom1000:

Can someone tell me which mysql table contains the previously watched programs? I'd like to delete some of the records so that the programs can be recorded again.

[03:50:44]

xris:

Phantom1000: oldrecorded

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Anduin:

bob1111: Yes (I don't really want to go look at .19 but you should see what is searched there though).

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xris:

Phantom1000: or just set your recording schedule to not check for duplicates

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Anduin:

Phantom1000: If you don't want to do it the right way, it isn't hidden well.

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bob1111:

Anduin: there is under has_header HPATHS=

[03:52:08]

bob1111:

and its actually in there??

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Anduin:

bob1111: In SVN yes, in .19 or .19-fixes, I don't know, look.

[03:53:05]

bob1111:

sorry.. shouldnt have put the ???

[03:53:34]

bob1111:

but it is there.. the correct path.. just when i try to make, it still looks in /usr/include

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Anduin:

bob1111: How do you know?

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bob1111:

Anduin: how do i know what?

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Anduin:

bob1111: That it is only looking there (after looking at has_header, I don't see how you could think that).

[03:56:25]

bob1111:

when i run make

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bob1111:

i get stuff like /usr/include/X11/extensions/Xlib.h

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bob1111:

Xlib.h is on my box but is here: /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/Xlib.h

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Anduin:

bob1111: x11_include_path isn't set to that though.

[03:58:37]

Anduin:

bob1111: You should be able to use --x11-path=blah, though it should be working.

[03:59:32]

bob1111:

in configure i have: x11_include_path="/usr/X11R6/include"

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Tanthrix:

Everyone rejoice, XvMC works now.

[04:06:26]

Tanthrix:

The sound disorts when I bring up the OSD though. Not a big deal, but if anyone knows a fix let me know.

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dtm:

Tanthrix: o/

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guru18:

does anyone have any tips for smoothing hd playback? I have a GeForce FX 5200 on an AMD Athlon64 3000

[04:11:32]

Tanthrix:

dtm: Thanks!

[04:11:39]

Tanthrix:

guru18: Are you using XvMC?

[04:11:44]

guru18:

yes

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dtm:

my ntsc output is almost working... the top of the screen is clipped and vertically wavy and the bottom half is fine. and i only have unaccelerated fbdev, no xv or xvidix.

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kormoc:

guru18, is it better without XvMC?

[04:12:19]

Phirax:

does anyone know how to toggle between analog tv, and composite inputs?

[04:12:25]

guru18:

kormoc: roughly the same actually, slightly slower

[04:12:30]

kormoc:

fair nuff

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Tanthrix:

guru18: Are you sure XvMC is working then? It won't tell you if it's not unless you check the console output

[04:12:59]

dtm:

Phirax: depends on your hardware

[04:13:10]

kormoc:

guru18, cat /proc/driver/nvidia/cards/0 shows the proper settings (agp 8x/4x/etc) ?

[04:13:14]

dtm:

Phirax: and composite is analog tv

[04:13:22]

guru18:

Tanthrix: would there be any output if it wasn't working?

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dtm:

Phirax: google it

[04:14:14]

Tanthrix:

guru18: I don't think so – mine only complained when it wasn't working properly, now it's not mentioned. You can run "mythfrontend --verbose all" to really be sure.

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guru18:

Tanthrix: ok I'll go make sure

[04:15:02]

Tanthrix:

dtm: I think he means switching between his tuner vs. his RCA component jack.

[04:15:12]

Phirax:

yeah

[04:15:17]

Phirax:

i have

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dtm:

Phirax: did you google it

[04:15:23]

dtm:

or rtfm on your driver

[04:15:32]

Phirax:

thats why i ended up here,

[04:15:52]

Phirax:

can't find any info, apart from press 'c', which doesn't work

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dtm:

Phirax: read the src of your driver

[04:16:19]

dtm:

Phirax: it likely has comments

[04:16:44]

dtm:

if literally no docs exist, then configuration might require recompiling

[04:16:51]

dtm:

for all i know

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Tanthrix:

guru18: I don't have a HD tuner, but I've recently built a frontend on a old 1ghz box. Using XvMC brings the CPU down to 30-ish percent from 70–80 percent on a GF4 MX

[04:17:49]

Phirax:

dtm: well to be honest I don't know anything about programing and source files, and I've gotten tvtime to work perfectly,

[04:18:19]

Tanthrix:

Phirax: Which card and which driver are you using?

[04:18:25]

guru18:

Tanthrix: then it's obviously not working b/c it's pegged at 100%

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dtm:

Phirax: so you dont know how to find your driver source code?

[04:18:38]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, XvMC is very motherboard dependant. Xris borrowed my FX 5800, I have a i875 and he had a i865, XvMC worked so very well on my box, but was slower on his.

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dtm:

Phirax: not even in google?

[04:19:00]

dtm:

Phirax: often, there are comments in plain english

[04:19:03]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: Interesting. Though given my experience with trying to get it to work so far I can believe it.

[04:19:41]

Tanthrix:

guru18: HD is much higher res than SD stuff, so just because it's at 100 doesn't necessarely mean it's not working. What does verbose-all give you?

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Tanthrix:

guru18: If you're having troubles with it spitting out too much stuff to watch, do "mythfrontend --verbose all > file.txt"

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Phirax:

Tanthrix: its a Compro VideoMate Gold Plus, driver is saa7134[0]: subsystem: 185b:c200, board: Compro VideoMate Gold+ Pal [card=49,aut odetected]

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Tanthrix:

guru18: You need to play a file while you do this, btw. Just start myth, play something, exit, and see if there are any references to XvMC

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Tanthrix:

Phirax: Sorry, I'm not familiar with it so I can't be of any help.

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Phirax:

dtm: yeah i can find it, but it means nothing to me

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dtm:

Phirax: so there are no relevant english comments in it?

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Phirax:

Tanthrix: no worries, i just would have thought it would work since every other tv app I've tried worked perfectly fine

[04:25:16]

Phirax:

dtm: well all i can figure out it is used with v4l

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kormoc:

Phirax, did you setup the other inputs in mythtv-setup?

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dtm:

Phirax: does your card function at all? how'd you get the driver working? did it come with your distro?

[04:27:10]

dtm:

Phirax: what's the name of your card

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llyric:

What do I need to do, when building mythtv, to get useful information when it crashes? -g ? My frontend crashes kindof often

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kormoc:

-g and enable the debug mode via the ./configure (--help should show you what to pass)

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kormoc:

and then run it via gdb

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kormoc:

or run it via strace and see if that gives any hints

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Phirax:

kormoc: well thats where i'm a tad confused capture card is setup right, video source this is where i have problems

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Do you know what would cause sound to get jumpy when bringing up the OSD while decodinv with XvMC?

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Phirax:

dtm: is a compro videomate gold plus, uses a philips saa7134 chipset

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, honestly, no, but I can sudgest that you enable the extra audio buffers if they are not enabled already

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alsoconfused:

Tanthrix: i think i had a problem with that once. try disabling transparent osd

[04:30:09]

Tanthrix:

kormoc,alsoconfused: I'll give both of those ideas a try. Thanks

[04:30:13]

kormoc:

Phirax, I think that will be the key, once you get the input setup right, c should change

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Phirax:

dtm: yes the driver came with the distro, and worked perfectly with everything by mythtv

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dtm:

Phirax: cool.

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dtm:

good start

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llyric:

--compile-type=debug ?

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Phirax:

kormoc: well thats what i figured, but the thing always assumes that i want to setup to download listings, and that makes no sence with composite

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kormoc:

llyric, that would be it, aye

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Phirax:

kormoc: so i really have no idea how to setup a video source for composite in

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kormoc:

Phirax, aye, I don't know eather, but I think that would be the key

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Tanthrix:

alsoconfused: Where in the menus is the option to disable the transperent OSD? I've seen it before but I just went through all of it and can't seem to find it now.

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: I already have extra audio buffering enabled so that wasn't it. Thanks anyway though.

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** llyric rebuilds his mythtv rpms with debug **

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Phirax:

kormoc: see at the moment in video sources i only have TV (as in the tuner input), which is set to transmitted guide only (EIT), don't see any viable option for composite, and in the source to input area i can select composite, but i can't assign it to a channel, say i set it to 3, it adds tha channel to the chan list, but under the cnah list it says 3 is no assigned, damn strange

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kormoc:

yeah...

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kormoc:

I wonder if perhaps the -users list might have someone who has done it before

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Gumby:

anyone in here know of a debian mirror that does mythtv now?

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Tanthrix:

OK, I just went through all the config menus again. Does anyone know where the option to disable transparency in the OSD is?

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Tanthrix:

I'm either extremely thick or it's not there, and I'm willing to entertain both possibilities...

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guru18:

Tanthrix: there are lots of lines of these "Trying XvMC port ###" ### = 174,175,etc but there aren't any lines that obviously report errors

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Tanthrix:

guru18: Hrm, I'm not sure then. Could you pastebin it so I can take a look?

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Phirax:

Tanthrix: I think its under Setup > Appearance > then in the QT section

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guru18:

Tanthrix: here http://webcreations.homelinux.com/misc/log

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Tanthrix:

Phirax: That's just for the recorded programs screens and such, not the OSD. Thanks though

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Phirax:

Tanthrix: oh ok, :P

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Tanthrix:

guru18: I'll see what mine does, hold on a sec.

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guru18:

Tanthrix: i found "nVidiaVideoSync: VBlank ioctl did not work, unimplemented in this driver?" probably not related

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Tanthrix:

guru18: Not sure about that. Mine doesn't go port jumping through, mentions port 105 a few times but doesn't go seeking.

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Tanthrix:

guru18: Do you have any SD material recorded?

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guru18:

Tanthrix: I can go grab some live

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guru18:

brb

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Tanthrix:

guru18: While HD may be maxing out your system SD won't. Try playing back the SD material with xvmc enabled, and then with standard and/or libmpeg2 and compare your X and mythfrontend CPU usage.

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guru18:

Tanthrix: sd does play without skips with or without xvmc

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Tanthrix:

guru18: Don't just check by skips, use the command top to monitor your usage.

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guru18:

http://webcreations.homelinux.com/misc/log2 heres a log with sd playing

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alsoconfused:

Tanthrix: re transparent osd. i think it's a matter of selecting an osd theme that uses a solid bg. blueosd e.g.

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Tanthrix:

alsoconfused: It's currently set to blueosd

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guru18:

Tanthrix: i guess i should ask what version of mythtv you're using

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Tanthrix:

Latest stable

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Tanthrix:

alsoconfused: I tried defaultosd as well, both give transparent OSDs.

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Tanthrix:

alsoconfused: I could swear that I have seen the option to disable it before. I'm starting to wonder if someone accidentaly got rid of it in the latest release...which version are you running and do you have a transparent OSD atm?

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alsoconfused:

Tanthrix: are you talking about the OSD that comes up when you pause/seek ?

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Tanthrix:

alsoconfused: Aye.

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mikestrah:

Hi all. I currently have a mythtv box with a PVR-350, and am thinking about buying an additional encoder card. Any advice on which to choose?

[05:00:59]

mikestrah:

A second PVR-350 seems like overkill. I don't really need two tv-outs.

[05:01:06]

DGnome:

http://digg.com/linux_unix/MythTV_scores_high_in_usability_test. for those of you who missed it earlier

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linagee:

does ebay use shrink the economy?

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Tanthrix:

mikestrah: Can you pump the output from another card through that tv-out?

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alsoconfused:

Tanthrix: 0.19 , osd theme is blueosd and it has a solid blue bg

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Tanthrix:

alsoconfused: Weird. Could you try switching to defaultosd to see if it makes it transparent? That would clear up if it was that or another weird option.

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alsoconfused:

Tanthrix: defaultosd is transparent

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mikestrah:

Hmm

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guru18:

Tanthrix: cpu usage is the same with/without xvmc (20%), clearly not working

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mikestrah:

I guess I've thought that I would use two encoders for recording, but just watch through the 350

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Tanthrix:

mikestrah: Better make sure that's possible first. I really have no idea.

[05:05:58]

mikestrah:

Is there any documented success of a PVR 350 and 250 system?

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Tanthrix:

guru18: Well, either that or your system is so fast that it doesn't make a difference.

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LabMonkey:

mikestrah: I have two pvr-500s with no problems

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Tanthrix:

alsoconfused: User error, please replace user and hit any key to continue. For some reason I was thinking the pause/seek thing and the pop up menu used the same settings

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xris:

mikestrah: I've talked to people who run that, yes.

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LabMonkey:

I didn't get two cards for the tv outs, I got them for the dual hardware encoders

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mikestrah:

Wow, LabMonkey – four encoders?

[05:06:56]

LabMonkey:

yeah

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mikestrah:

sweetness

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Tanthrix:

alsoconfused: So I was testing by pressing M to bring up the menu, which is of course, always transparent. The pause / seek is not transparent, though my sound still gets distorted.

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xris:

but support the 350 for output via directfb is going away, so you'll want to make sure you're using X

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Tanthrix:

alsoconfused: Thanks for your help.

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LabMonkey:

consider the possibility that you have two scheduled recordings at the same time... and on that particular night you want to watch something else live

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xris:

LabMonkey: whatever happened to normal live tv?

[05:08:23]

xris:

heh

[05:08:31]

xris:

I still watch most tv through the tv...

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guru18:

does anyone here use xvmc with an nvidia card and gentoo?

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Tanthrix:

xris: Any idea what would make sound stutter when the OSD comes up using XvMC but not standard?

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mikestrah:

I'm running X on the PVR-350 output

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xris:

Tanthrix: cpu

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LabMonkey:

well I actually went with dual 500s because I'm reasonably certain that I'll never have four shows scheduled at the same time

[05:09:22]

xris:

mikestrah: then you're probably fine.

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xris:

LabMonkey: I just can't do analog anymore.

[05:09:42]

xris:

single tuner (firewire) is enough for me.

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Tanthrix:

xris: It only jumps up to about 50 percent max when it comes up. (I'm using a GF4 MX btw)

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LabMonkey:

but I'm somewhat concerned that I may have three shows scheduled at some point

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xris:

Tanthrix: no clue. happens sometimes on my box, too.

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mikestrah:

LabMonkey, how was it configuring all that?

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Tanthrix:

xris: Up from 20–30, on a 1ghz system.

[05:10:07]

Tanthrix:

xris: Hrm, ok. I can live with it. Thanks

[05:10:28]

xris:

Tanthrix: I think it's just an issue with xvmc

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LabMonkey:

mikestrah: newer ivtv is said to be hit or miss... in my case it works just fine, but others claim it either doesn't work (or even compile), or at least has some problems

[05:11:14]

LabMonkey:

mikestrah: for me the fun part was configuring lirc for my remote

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mikestrah:

Sheesh, I can imagine.

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LabMonkey:

yeah I went all-out and built a new box from the ground up

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mikestrah:

Guess I won't plan to upgrade ivtv

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LabMonkey:

coolermaster CM Media 260

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LabMonkey:

with IR/VFD module

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LabMonkey:

remote has tons of buttons which all seem to work now... I just need to toy around with my .lircrc some more

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mikestrah:

I'd rather use a good video card's tv-out because I figure the X output won't overscan as badly as it does through the pvr-350 fb

[05:13:50]

mikestrah:

But that's just a guess.

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LabMonkey:

well i just ordered an LCD TV with HDMI input and even comes with a cable for DVI output from my video card

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mikestrah:

nice

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Speedy2:

guru18: I have XvMC and using a GF6200TC, not Gentoo though

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LabMonkey:

I'm planning to do a big writeup on it for the wiki once the tv comes in and I finish tinkering with the remote et al

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LabMonkey:

TV should be here friday

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Speedy2:

LabMonkey: The remote came with your case?

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Tanthrix:

Anyone know anything I can do with this compiler error? http://novae-res.org/glcompileerror.txt

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LabMonkey:

guru18: I have xvmc enabled on mine, but I haven't experimented with it yet

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LabMonkey:

Speedy2: I had to order the IR/VFD module separately from the case but the remote came with the IR module

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Tanthrix:

I've compiled this very version on this box before without any troubles...only change is the XvMC libraries this time.

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Speedy2:

cool

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guru18:

LabMonkey: have you upgraded to xorg 7?

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Tanthrix:

Doesn't look like it has anything to do with the libraries though

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LabMonkey:

guru18: not on the HTPC yet, no

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LabMonkey:

guru18: I know spyderous unmasked it recently, but I haven't worked up the un-laziness to do it yet

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hhhjr:

could some1 tell me how I can correct this error while doing the make in myth, "cannot find -lXxf86vm" Please

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xris:

hhhjr: install the xfree86 devel package

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xris:

or better yet, upgrade to xorg

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LabMonkey:

hhhjr: "someone"

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xris:

LabMonkey: silly me, I just thought he typo'd that. heh.

[05:21:12]

hhhjr:

Ok is there a way to find what files are missing after I get a error?

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LabMonkey:

xris: I'm just an anal jerk

[05:21:37]

LabMonkey:

btw HHH sucks

[05:21:39]

xris:

LabMonkey: no, in this case it's a good thing. no crappy l8r type abbreviations allowed.

[05:21:58]

xris:

hhhjr: well, that error tells you what it's missing.

[05:22:31]

xris:

-l for "library", X for extension, I think.. and xf86 for the program

[05:22:32]

LabMonkey:

actually I don't know the first thing about wrestling these days so I couldn't say whether he sucks or not

[05:23:23]

hhhjr:

ok thanks I am trying to get through this. Thanks to you all here.

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xris:

hhhjr: generally, the output from ./configure will also tell you what you're missing....

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LabMonkey:

Dear Qt,

[05:24:32]

LabMonkey:

Why do you take so long to compile?

[05:24:33]

LabMonkey:

Love,

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LabMonkey:

Monkey

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hhhjr:

xris, under the package management xorg is installed. Do I need the development package also?

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LabMonkey:

hhhjr: yes

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hhhjr:

OK Thanks

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xris:

hhhjr: development packages are used when you're compiling something that links to the main package.

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xris:

hhhjr: what distro are you using?

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hhhjr:

Debian etch

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xris:

ah

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adante:

i'm having some trouble getting myth to automatically transcode stuff (just rebuild the myth db)

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xris:

nevermind, then. no easy packages for debian that I know of

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xris:

adante: pretty sure the default profile is "auto" which just removes the cutlist

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adante:

the autotranscode flag in the record table is set to 1, what else do i need to set?

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xris:

adante: you need to configure a transcode profile

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adante:

right, thanks xris

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LabMonkey:

hey xris, after I nuvexport my recordings to transcode them, will they still be in my recorded shows?

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xris:

LabMonkey: export != replace

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xris:

think "save copy as..."

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xris:

doesn't touch the original

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LabMonkey:

xris: hmm... well that's the goal here... I'd like to replace them

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xris:

LabMonkey: what format are you encoding to?

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LabMonkey:

hardware encodes to mpeg, I'd like to encode to avi

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LabMonkey:

xvid (or preferably divx)

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LabMonkey:

but I know divx isn't much of an option since they don't provide a linux version

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xris:

so use nuvexport to save to a directory and run mythvideo

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Tanthrix:

Divx, bleh

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xris:

that's what it's for

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xris:

huh? divx and xvid are basically the same thing. ffmpeg does divx.

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LabMonkey:

ahh!

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xris:

in fact, mythtv's mpeg4 codec is divx, not xvid.

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kormoc:

LabMonkey, http://site.n.ml.org/info/_divx4linux/

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xris:

LabMonkey: anyway, even though mythtv can play avi files as recordings, it's best not to mess with them that way.. just use mythvideo.

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Tanthrix:

xris: All I know is that all of my xvid rips are of much higher quality than my divx rips.

[05:32:28]

Tanthrix:

xris: Though I guess most of them are div3 which is quite old..

[05:32:28]

xris:

Tanthrix: that's all about the encoder.

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xris:

xvid from ffmpeg looks worse than xvid from transcode

[05:32:56]

xris:

and of course there's the whole bitrate and multipass thing....

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xris:

LabMonkey: install ffmpeg

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LabMonkey:

xris: I have ffmpeg installed, that's what the "ahh!" was about

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kormoc:

LabMonkey, sure it is, ffmpeg can encode in divx :P

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adante:

xris: ok, in Recording Profiles -> Transcoders, I did configure autodetect from MPEG2, is that what you meant?

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xris:

adante: auto means not transcoding, just cutting....

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xris:

you want it to convert to mpeg4 nupplevideo (since rtjpeg is the only other option and it's not worth it)

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adante:

hm ok

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xris:

adante: transcoding to save disk space?

[05:36:36]

adante:

ok was misled by the option to select video compression

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xris:

you're seriously better off just tweaking your original recording settings.

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adante:

using digital unfortunately

[05:37:50]

xris:

huh?

[05:38:02]

xris:

oh, digital tv

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adante:

yeah

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xris:

then yeah, you're stuck with nuv, or using something like nuvexport to go to a completely different format

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adante:

yep.. i can live with that

[05:39:21]

adante:

but.. hmm

[05:39:33]

adante:

i could've sworn before i just had to edit the autodetect from MPEG2 profile

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adante:

under recording options all my recordings are set to transcode new recordings, and use the autodetect profile

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xris:

yeah.. and in that profile, you have to tell it to convert to mpeg4

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adante:

yeah i've done that

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xris:

otherwise, it'll stay in mpeg2 mode and just cut out commercials

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xris:

anyway, afk for a bit.

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adante:

what i mean is, nothing is being transcoded

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adante:

automatically

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xris:

does it work manually?

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adante:

if i yep

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adante:

yep

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adante:

the transcoder field in record is set to 0

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power1:

anyone here set up a hauppage with the built in IR transmitter to change channels on a sattelite decoder ext box?

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guru18:

anyone here using xorg 7*?

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** xris raises a glass of port to Beirdo **

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DrMitch:

guru18, when's it coming?

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guru18:

DrMitch: what do you mean?

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guru18:

DrMitch: i'm using it right now, just having a few problems

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DrMitch:

i'll be darned

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DrMitch:

x 6.9 works for me just fine

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kormoc:

DrMitch, 7.1 was released stable a little while ago and they're working on 7.2 :P

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DrMitch:

any big difference making it worth upgrading?

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kormoc:

7.x+ is modular, so it's not one big program, but lots of small ones, which makes bug fixes/similar a lot easier, but other then that, not really

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guru18:

kormoc: are you using it?

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kormoc:

I'm using 7.0, aye

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guru18:

how about with xvmc?

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kormoc:

I would use 7.1, but the nvidia driver doesn't work with it yet

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kormoc:

aye, with XvMC

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kormoc:

6.9 and 7.0 is the same release

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kormoc:

just with 7.0 being split up rather then one huge package

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guru18:

what distro?

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guru18:

i can't seem to get xvmc working

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kormoc:

Gentoo

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guru18:

sweet

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guru18:

are you using xvmc and nvidia use flags as well as VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia"

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guru18:

or do you have via?

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kormoc:

nvidia, and aye, that's my video_cards

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Speedy2:

guru18: What about it doesn't work?

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guru18:

the cpu load doesn't seem to change with xvmc enabled

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kormoc:

that can be correct, as it's very motherboard dependant

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guru18:

and I've had it working before, just now with xorg 6.9/7

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guru18:

same hardware, just new install so I'm not sure what I've done differently

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kormoc:

hrm, care to emerge xvinfo and see what it says?

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guru18:

sure

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guru18:

ok here http://webcreations.homelinux.com/misc/log3

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guru18:

anything in particular to look for?

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kormoc:

Adaptor #0: "NV17 Video Overlay" <-- that is a good thing :P

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guru18:

being sarcastic? what does it mean exactly

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adante:

anybody here who uses transcoding, can you tell me what the default value for the transcoder field in the record table is?

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Mattwj2005:

hi guys :)

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xris:

adante: transcoder is the transcoder you want. you need to make sure that autotranscode is turned on for the recording profile

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kormoc:

guru18, it means your nvidia driver is exporting a hardware overlay for drawing upon, like it should

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Mattwj2005:

question for you guys....does your tv tuner have to show having a signal before mythtv can play or record the stream?

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adante:

xris: autotranscode is set to '1' for all my fields, but transcoder is set to 0

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adante:

obviously there's no matching id for 0 in recordingprofiles

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xris:

adante: means auto

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Mattwj2005:

my tv tuner doesn't show that it has a signal even though it picks up signals

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guru18:

kormoc: any other ideas?

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xris:

adante: and you want to go into "setup -> tv -> recording profiles -> transcoders -> autodetect from mpeg2" and configure it

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kormoc:

guru18, not really, sorry

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guru18:

kormoc: ok

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Mattwj2005:

for example if you use azap it shows a signal of 0

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guru18:

kormoc: if only an athlon64 3000 could handle hd streams lol

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Mattwj2005:

but you use test_dvr and you get a signal

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adante:

xris: i don't quite follow what you mean by configure it? i mean, i've gone there, i've set the options

[06:50:04]

xris:

adante: assuming all of that is configured properly, and it still doesn't work, it may just be a bug

[06:55:39]

adante:

xris: yeah, but annoying thang is, it all worked fine before i decided to turf my db

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xris:

no clue

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xris:

I don't use it.. would rather cut commercials out first so the files get even smaller

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adante:

commflagging is a bit hit and miss in australia

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xris:

adante: thus no "auto"

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adante:

i don't follow?

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adante:

no autocommflagging? yep

[06:59:05]

adante:

but i still want auto-transcoding :]

[06:59:16]

adante:

anyway.. does anybody know if the record.transcoder field is supposed to match the recordingprofiles.id field?

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xris:

adante: no auto transcoding (or cutting)...

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xris:

view, edit, import/fix cutlist, exit, transcode

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xris:

adante: have you *tried* to set the transcoder field to a valid id?

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Mattwj2005:

anyone ever get the pcHDTV to record HDTV signals?

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Mattwj2005:

using MythTV that is

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guru18:

yes mine works fine

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guru18:

i have the hd-3000

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Mattwj2005:

does your hd-3000 register a signal when you uses azap?

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guru18:

hmm never used it...

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guru18:

have you tried to scan for channels in mythtv-setup?

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Mattwj2005:

right it says no table on some channels

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guru18:

but do you get some signal locks or are they all that way?

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Mattwj2005:

I get a signal lock when I use the program test_dvr......I can record streams and play them back that way

[07:07:46]

guru18:

so you obviously have the drivers/firmware working

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Mattwj2005:

I ended up using a patched version of the kernel

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guru18:

what kernel version?

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Mattwj2005:

2.6.17-git17

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Mattwj2005:

it has built-in drivers for my card

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guru18:

were the patches for the card or something else, because mine works stock

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guru18:

i have 2.6.27-r1

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guru18:

er

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guru18:

2.6.17-r1

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Mattwj2005:

this is from the offical kernel repos

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Mattwj2005:

latest version last week

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guru18:

oh

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guru18:

i thought this was one you had patched

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Mattwj2005:

I patched with the git code is what I meant

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Mattwj2005:

the code for my tuner hasn't been released in a stable kernel yet

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guru18:

ah...

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guru18:

so you have the 5500? in that case I don't have any experience with it

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Mattwj2005:

not a problem :)

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Mattwj2005:

it is hard to find support .... most people have the 3000 not the 5500

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Mattwj2005:

I appreciate your help though

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guru18:

just wait about a month, when I first got my card the drivers were a pain to install

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guru18:

conflicts with the gentoo-specific kernels so I had to use vanilla

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Mattwj2005:

well at least I can record with test_dvr and playback...that is a start at least :D

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adante:

without sounding like a total dodo, how do you create a new page in the myth wiki?

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Mattwj2005:

type the name it should be in the url

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Mattwj2005:

ex http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/NewPage

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Mattwj2005:

or

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Mattwj2005:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/My_Page

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sloncho:

hi. can i setup a slave backend w/o tuner, just to use it as a help for transcode jobs?

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sloncho:

using 0.19-fixes

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mchou:

sloncho: heh, you could. But by definition backends have at least one entry in the 'capturecard' table

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mchou:

sloncho: I actually just think it would be easier to kick off mythtranscode on a nfs volume.

[07:40:33]

sloncho:

mchou – i would like to have all jobqueue order, etc., so i can monitor trou mythweb ... :)

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mchou:

sloncho: it's up to you. But what's there to monitor? The job is either done or not done.

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dtm:

yeah what about having mythtranscode being a shell wrapper that executes remote commands via ssh and synchronizes via nfs?

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sloncho:

mchou – another q :) – where I can find the commandline options used by mythtranscode for the queued transcode jobs, as well as commflag settings?

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mchou:

dtm: what would be the point of that?

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dtm:

mchou: as he said, to have help with transcoding on another host.

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mchou:

sloncho: mythtranscode --help

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dtm:

mchou: but without that other host being a myth backend

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mchou:

dtm: ssh doesnt transcode on the 'other' host.

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sloncho:

mchou – i mean the predefined ones, used by mythtv itself for queuing a job

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dtm:

mchou: because it has no capture hardware

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dtm:

mchou: what? it'll do whatever you tell it to.

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mchou:

dtm: dont be ridiculous

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dtm:

okay i won't, starting infinitely far back in this conversation

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mchou:

dtm: the dude wants to use another cpu to offload transcoding jobs

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dtm:

that's what i said.

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mchou:

dtm: how is ssh gonna do that?

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dtm:

mchou: by executing a remote command.

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sloncho:

dmt: if i get it right, you suggest that i replace mythtranscode with somethin else – which in turn will use ssh to start the job on the other host – right?

[07:44:52]

dtm:

that's what ssh is for. that's why it exists.

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mchou:

dtm: lol

[07:45:11]

dtm:

sloncho: yeah i'm wondering aloud because i haven't done it in this particular framework.

[07:45:11]

sloncho:

dtm, sorry for misstiped name

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dtm:

i've done automatic RSA authenticated (passwordless) ssh for other purposes like backups

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mchou:

dtm: if you execute a job via ssh form client A to server B, which machine's CPU run's the job, A or B?

[07:46:15]

dtm:

mchou: B

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mchou:

s/form/from

[07:46:22]

mchou:

dtm: so??

[07:46:28]

dtm:

so, mission accomplished.

[07:46:37]

dtm:

state your issue.

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sloncho:

dtm: yeah, this is not a problem. but does not solve exactly what i want :) i.e. i wanted everything to be inteligent, and the master server to distribute the jobs between titselv and some slaves

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mchou:

the dude wants CPU on machine A to help transcode

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dtm:

sloncho: is that what you want?

[07:47:12]

dtm:

yeah.

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mchou:

dtm: he can transcode on hois backend whenever he wants

[07:47:15]

dtm:

mchou: that's not what he wants.

[07:47:31]

dtm:

he wants a distributed batch renderer.

[07:47:44]

mchou:

dtm: lol

[07:48:09]

dtm:

mchou: glad you're entertaining yourself over there!

[07:48:13]

mchou:

dtm: dont be ridiculous.

[07:48:18]

dtm:

we covered that.

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mchou:

why dont you tell him to use PVM

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dtm:

because he doesn't need to write it.

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dtm:

it's been done

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sloncho:

ok. i had a hope, that the master backend is inteligent enough so it can distribute jobs between slaves. not only for capture, but for commflag/transcode as well. and because i do not want (have no tuners) on my other machines in home – i asked how to accomplish thish

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mchou:

dtm: it's been done by ssh??

[07:49:14]

mchou:

dtm: you dont even understand the frigging ISSUE

[07:49:19]

dtm:

mchou: yeah i do. you don't.

[07:49:29]

mchou:

never mind "it's been done"

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dtm:

ssh can execute remote commands, sir, which can run entirely remotely. like 'ssh hostname ls'. do you not realize that?

[07:50:13]

dtm:

so, one could write a static backend in a couple of lines of bash.

[07:50:17]

mchou:

dtm: you can run jobs transcode from the master back end today. Why would he need ssh?

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dtm:

mchou: do those execute automatically on remote hosts for additional processing?

[07:51:37]

mchou:

dtm: because in your "example" 'ls' run in on the context of the backend, not the frontend/joe random client. How does that offload the CPU for transcoding jobs?

[07:51:59]

dtm:

mchou: your statement is entirely false, sir

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mchou:

s/run in/runs

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dtm:

it's run on whatever host you tell it to.

[07:52:16]

dtm:

and data is synchronized via nfs

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mchou:

dtm: [00:45:59] <mchou> dtm: if you execute a job via ssh form client A to server B, which machine's CPU run's the job, A or B?

[07:52:40]

mchou:

[00:46:15] <mchou> s/form/from

[07:52:40]

mchou:

[00:46:15] <dtm> mchou: B

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dtm:

that being on a different host, on a different cpu

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sloncho:

apples & oranges, guys

[07:53:12]

dtm:

the backend can auto-execute a rendering command on another host

[07:53:35]

dtm:

yeah, mchou is not following conversation but instead following a perverse need to attempt to ridicule others.

[07:53:39]

mchou:

dtm: sloncho is WAY ahead of you

[07:53:40]

sloncho:

dtm is right – this i s solution if i needed just to run the transcode job always on another machine

[07:53:48]

dtm:

mmhmm.

[07:54:00]

sloncho:

but that's not exactly what i need

[07:54:15]

dtm:

sloncho: and i'm pretty sure that there are domain-specific batch renderers, but if not, there is uhhh what's the name of the kernel level process distributor...

[07:54:19]

dtm:

mosix.

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dtm:

sloncho: what number of hosts are we talking about here, are they all running linux, and are you able to modify their kernels? :)

[07:54:47]

mchou:

sloncho: dtm is not correct. Myth only dispatches jobs to other slave back ends

[07:55:05]

dtm:

mchou: hence why i suggested replacing mythtranscode with a bash wrapper.

[07:55:09]

mchou:

sloncho: which is what you started asking in the first place.

[07:55:14]

sloncho:

dtm – as far as mythtv master backend can schedule recordings on slave beckends – it should be possible to use its infrastructure to schedule other jobs

[07:55:23]

mchou:

sloncho: ssh will not help in that AT ALL

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Hoxzer:

is it normal if I run around the appartment with only trousers on?

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dtm:

Hoxzer: yes, possibly less, depending on social context.

[07:56:13]

dtm:

Hoxzer: and you may, at your option, scream references to yourself as being Nature Boy

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Hoxzer:

:P

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dtm:

play with that

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sloncho:

dtm: 2–3 workstations – all linux. they are idle most of the time – while all of us are out – so why not use them to transcode :)

[07:56:29]

dtm:

get back to us.

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mchou:

sloncho: how does a bash wrapper dispatch to CPU context on a joe random machine? i.e. not backend?

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mchou:

dtm: how does a bash wrapper dispatch to CPU context on a joe random machine? i.e. not backend?

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dtm:

mchou: via ssh.

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mchou:

that was meant for dtm

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mchou:

lol

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dtm:

RSA authenticated, to obviate the use of passwords

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sloncho:

mchou – i understand that dtm was not right in the context i was asking. he just proposed a solution – if i needed to oofload completely the jobs on another machine w/o using mythbackend architecture

[07:58:12]

dtm:

sloncho: how was i not right, at all?

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mchou:

dtm: dont be ridiculous. there is no need to use ssh. a cron job would do the trick

[07:58:34]

dtm:

mchou: that makes no sense. but sure, whatever you say, man.

[07:58:52]

dtm:

pure nonsequitur statements.

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mchou:

dtm: which part makes no sense, a cron job?

[07:59:12]

dtm:

mchou: yes, and also the fact that the cron job would need to be able to remotely execute the jobs ... that being via ssh.

[07:59:18]

mchou:

dtm: how is this non sequitur?

[07:59:31]

sloncho:

dtm – i need inteligent scheduler with existing architecture – i do not want to create a cluster (which is viable solution as well :) ), or make something complicated, as using kernel scheduler to dispatch random jobs to random machines, nor to fight how i'm going to update the jobqueue database back, etc ...

[07:59:33]

dtm:

because cron and ssh are not mutually exclusive, as your statement implies

[07:59:35]

mchou:

dtm: you clearly dont understand ssh

[07:59:42]

dtm:

yes i clearly and completely do.

[07:59:59]

dtm:

either you dont understand ssh or you dont understand the words as they are being typed by me, which sloncho does.

[08:00:14]

mchou:

mythtranscode can be executed from anywhere with ssh because it connects to masterbackend DB

[08:00:14]

dtm:

sloncho: yeah i completely understood that.

[08:00:19]

dtm:

sloncho: and i suggested accordingly

[08:00:28]

dtm:

sloncho: no idea why you'd say i was in any way mistaken.

[08:00:42]

mchou:

dtm: so tell me why you need ssh if mythtranscode can do this ALREADY

[08:00:44]

sloncho:

dtm: its way to complicated – at least for me :)

[08:00:53]

dtm:

mchou: it ***can't***. that is why you'd need ssh.

[08:01:04]

mchou:

dtm: lol

[08:01:05]

dtm:

mchou: i have absolutely no idea where you could possibly get the idea that it can.

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sloncho:

dtm: are u saying that you know for sure that master backend can not schedule a job for a slave?

[08:01:45]

mchou:

dtm: you obviously havent tried running mythtranscode from jo random machine

[08:01:58]

dtm:

er wait a minute, are you saying mythtranscode can't execute remote jobs?

[08:02:06]

mchou:

sloncho: ignore dtm. he doesnt wtf he is talking about

[08:02:22]

dtm:

mchou: you need to get a different hobby.

[08:02:31]

mchou:

dtm: no, I'm saying mythtranscode can execute ANYWHERE

[08:02:33]

dtm:

being a narcissistic court jester does nobody any justice

[08:02:53]

dtm:

it just turns you into an abusive jackass.

[08:03:00]

mchou:

dtm: who the hell is being a court jester?

[08:03:12]

dtm:

you are, Giggles!

[08:03:33]

dtm:

you've been in here for countless months and were never blatantly abusive like you have been in at least the last several days

[08:03:44]

mchou:

dtm: you butt in in a conversation for which you have no context and start randomly suggesting "solutions" which dont even apply

[08:03:51]

sloncho:

guys, it's nice trying to help me. there's no need to get overreacted. any help/solution is apreciated, and at least enlights me.

[08:04:14]

dtm:

you didn't understand the suggestions and either dont understand how ssh works or how logical conversation works. sloncho understands everything i said and you magically don't.

[08:04:32]

dtm:

i didn't butt in; there was no preexisting conversation.

[08:04:37]

dtm:

and my solutions applied.

[08:04:42]

mchou:

dtm: I'm an equal opportunty abuser for clueless jackasses like you

[08:04:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

sloncho: jobs are processed in order,so the more machines you have procesing them the faster things will get done (if you do _not_ turn on the "job runs on recording host" setting, otherwise they'll run where they recorded at)

[08:04:46]

dtm:

you're acting like a total psycho.

[08:05:45]

Captain_Murdoch:

sloncho: remote transcoding works if and only if the remote slave has write access to the directory where the recording is located at (ie, if it is nfs mounted on the same location on both boxes)

[08:05:46]

dtm:

mchou: your abuse has no effect on me and is only making a fool of yourself. i'm done with ya.

[08:05:47]

sloncho:

Captain_Murdoch – can I set slave w/o tuner card?

[08:05:59]

mchou:

dtm: good riddance

[08:06:24]

Captain_Murdoch:

sloncho, if you want a machine to just run jobs, then run mythjobqueue instead of mythbackend. you still need to setup the jobqueue settings via mythtv-setup on that 'slave' though.

[08:06:27]

sloncho:

Captain_Murdoch – as mchou said – yes, but ... :)

[08:06:32]

dtm:

Captain_Murdoch: what would trigger the remote transcoding according to you?

[08:06:46]

dtm:

Captain_Murdoch: ah ok.

[08:06:50]

Captain_Murdoch:

dtm, I wrote the code and I made it work that way. :)

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dtm:

Captain_Murdoch: well then that's the answer to my original supporting question ;) thanks

[08:07:10]

Captain_Murdoch:

and I use it that way. I have a dedicated mythjobqueue server that does all my jobs for all my backends.

[08:07:21]

dtm:

sloncho: i knew the framework existed but i didn't know it was already part of mythtv, by another name ;)

[08:07:26]

mchou:

dtm: hence NO freaking NEED for ssh

[08:07:38]

mchou:

dtm: what a dumbass

[08:07:39]

dtm:

sloncho: various such frameworks exist, depending on one's needs

[08:08:46]

mchou:

dtm: no to mention ssh wouldnt have worked anyways, because it'd execute on the master backend CPU context

[08:08:55]

mchou:

s/no/not

[08:09:07]

mchou:

providing no offload at all

[08:10:06]

sloncho:

Captain_Murdoch: let me repeat, pls correct me if I'm wrong. 1. install backend. run mythsetup, and change to point to master's DB, set the job settings etc. 2. NFS share the same dir, as on master (same path ?) on the slave. 3. Do not run the backend, just mythjobqueue on the slave. 4. go get beer?

[08:10:24]

mchou:

sloncho: bingo!

[08:10:37]

Captain_Murdoch:

when the transcoder says that it won't do remote transcoding, it means that it doesn't have write access to the directory where the recording is located (ie, was using myth:// protocol instead of local file access)

[08:10:52]

Captain_Murdoch:

sloncho: yep

[08:11:21]

mchou:

sloncho: kiss that dude with the SSH non-solution GOODBYE! :)

[08:12:07]

sloncho:

cmon guys :) he is right in terms that u can run remote commands on remote machine to do a job. that's true and works

[08:12:08]

Captain_Murdoch:

mythjobqueue was created for people who didn't want to run a 'full' backend just to run jobs.

[08:12:17]

Captain_Murdoch:

I'm not getting into that, just providing the right answer. :)

[08:12:38]

sloncho:

Captain_Murdoch: sweet

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dorel__:

when i record something on tv it's saving it as uknown

[08:13:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

with current SVN, you can override the default mythcommflag and mythtranscode commands just like user jobs so you could have Myth run your own transcode script rather than calling mythtranscode. I've got a wrapper script to mythtranscode that lets me keep a high def and a low def version of a program by creating a new entry in the database for the transcoded low-def copy. I rarely use it though, but it is easily possible no

[08:13:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

r-overrideable transcode command.

[08:14:04]

dorel__:

then when i go to watch recording and i try to change it from unknown to something else it doesnt change. anyone ever noticed this?

[08:14:56]

sloncho:

Captain_Murdoch: that was my next q. :) thanks :)

[08:15:12]

Captain_Murdoch:

sloncho, I think I put those settings on the jobqueue setup page as well.

[08:15:24]

Captain_Murdoch:

but thats only SVN head, not the fixes branch

[08:15:57]

sloncho:

Captain_Murdoch: will it work with -fixes backend DB?

[08:15:59]

Captain_Murdoch:

if you want to use the normal mythtranscode or mythcommflag, then make the field empty or put "mythtranscode" or "mythcommflag" in them.

[08:16:04]

Captain_Murdoch:

no

[08:16:17]

Captain_Murdoch:

don't mix revisions, that's bad for your sanity

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sloncho:

maybe i sould bite the bullet and get the HEAD – at least I'll help testing

[08:16:47]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: not to mntion bad for the DB too :)

[08:16:56]

mchou:

mention*

[08:16:56]

Captain_Murdoch:

that's where the sanity part comes in. :)

[08:17:11]

sloncho:

my wife will not be happy if it starts to crash, but ... eheh, thats the beauty of teh family live :)

[08:17:50]

mchou:

dtm: what's the matter, cat got your tongue?

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sloncho:

last q: migrating to SVN HEAD – will it update/upgrade the DB wit the current settings and recordings? is there something special I have to do?

[08:20:14]

dtm:

sloncho: mythtv has contributed to more than one happy, healthy marriage relationships in this channel alone

[08:20:18]

dtm:

sloncho: it's a scientific fact.

[08:20:25]

Captain_Murdoch:

upgrade is automatic, but you want to backup first to be safe.

[08:20:30]

mchou:

sloncho: virtually all upgrades update the DB.

[08:20:43]

dtm:

sloncho: maybe they'll be reporting on it in Cosmopolitan someday

[08:20:51]

sloncho:

virually is ok for me, thanks :)

[08:21:29]

sloncho:

dtm, u do not know how good is can be, really. like – i need to watch the game, but u'r show i srecording :)

[08:21:35]

mchou:

sloncho: I only mentioned "virtually" cause there are upgrades which dont touch the schema at all :)

[08:21:36]

Captain_Murdoch:

sloncho: there are also a few jobqueue related fixes in head that couldn't go into -fixes I think. I tried to put ones in -fixes if I could, but I think there are a few that couldn't go in.

[08:22:21]

Captain_Murdoch:

sloncho: multiple tuners. :) 2-HD and 3-ivtv here so I don't think we've ever missed anything we want to record since I've had this setup.

[08:22:38]

dtm:

sloncho: 'mysqldump --opt' is the best way to do a backup

[08:22:43]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: you still using ivtv? :)

[08:22:46]

sloncho:

Cpatian_Murdoch – that's OK, i'll try to contribute by suffering with HEAD :)

[08:23:27]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: how can you stand the bad PQ in comparison to digital :)

[08:24:30]

Captain_Murdoch:

mchou, the stuff we record off cable isn't in digital

[08:24:57]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: no ADS for you?

[08:25:30]

Captain_Murdoch:

we record about half HD and half off analog. all HD gets transcoded down because I still haven't splurged for a HDTV (bought a projector instead but it's not even HD)

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Captain_Murdoch:

not sure what that is. this is just standard cox cable, no converters, etc. required.

[08:26:36]

** sloncho says thanks, and leaves for some hours. **

[08:26:43]

sloncho:

bye and thanks

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mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: so you dont have a digital STB for cable at all?

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PaulWay:

Hi all!

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** Captain_Murdoch says "wait, I forgot to tell you about that will delete all your recordings when you upgrade unless you type in the super-secret code that you have to ask for in the #mythtv-super-secret-code channel. **

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mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: ADS==Analog Disgital Simulcast

[08:27:51]

Captain_Murdoch:

dohh, missed the key word "bug" in there.

[08:27:55]

mchou:

Digital*

[08:28:56]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: means the analog channels are transmitted digitally and "remapped" via STB

[08:29:08]

Captain_Murdoch:

no, no STB's. just 2 air2pc cards and the 3 ivtv for spillover and things that are only on analog cable. can't see springing for the digital STBs for the few things we'd record off of them that we can't get OTA digital

[08:29:31]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: you live in cnada, correct?

[08:29:36]

mchou:

canada*

[08:29:37]

Captain_Murdoch:

no, Virginia

[08:29:47]

mchou:

who is cableco?

[08:29:49]

Captain_Murdoch:

wife is from Canada though, does that quality.

[08:29:51]

Captain_Murdoch:

cox

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Captain_Murdoch:

bad typing tonight. "does that qualify?" :)

[08:30:17]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: I find digital STB much cheaper than air2pc :)

[08:30:51]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: not to mention I get more channels and content to boot as opposed to air2pc

[08:30:54]

PaulWay:

I'm getting very weird behaviour from the mythfrontend – on exiting or finishing a show it'll go back to the beginning of the show, or a previous one watched, and repeat. Escape cannot exit; I can only exit by killing the mythfrontend process.

[08:30:59]

PaulWay:

Anyone seen similar?

[08:30:59]

Captain_Murdoch:

well, these were bought before the broadcast flag was supposed to go into effect. wanted to make sure I could record what I wanted. :)

[08:31:14]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: Comcast charges $5/mo for digital STB

[08:31:25]

Captain_Murdoch:

but they can also restrict you if they want.

[08:31:25]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: ahh, ok

[08:31:43]

PaulWay:

It's not XvMC, which was my first thought.

[08:32:01]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, but by that time I'll get the cablecard qam capable PC cards :)

[08:32:11]

Captain_Murdoch:

I have low-end cable since there are very few stations I'd want the higher end for. to go digital I'd need the higher packages, plus the STB fee, etc.. not worth it.

[08:32:20]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: and probably would have to defect to MSFT

[08:32:52]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, but with the windows version of mythbackend, you might be able to record using those cards w/o linux drivers. :)

[08:32:53]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: I'm only subscribed to "limited basic", that's $14/mo.

[08:32:58]

Captain_Murdoch:

ditto

[08:33:15]

Captain_Murdoch:

subscribed to what gets me the discount on the cablemodem.

[08:33:25]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: bingo!

[08:33:58]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: somehow I doubt that day will come

[08:34:00]

Captain_Murdoch:

90% of the shows we record off cable aren't in digital or HD so it would be a waste. don't need my wife's "what not to wear" in HD. :)

[08:34:10]

Captain_Murdoch:

the windows backend?

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mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: I dont see cablelabs certifying that solution :)

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mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah

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Captain_Murdoch:

it's a SoC project. :)

[08:35:03]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: just cause it's a project doesnt mean it wont get sued :)

[08:35:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

if we're just using normal capture stuff on windows then how does that open up to a lawsuit?

[08:36:17]

mchou:

cause you're "playing" DRM content on linux :)

[08:36:44]

mchou:

nono as far as cablelabs is concerned :)

[08:36:59]

mchou:

or more appropriately RIAA

[08:38:50]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: there is actually a program "what not to wear?"

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Tanthrix:

Anyone know anything about compiling xine with XvMC support?

[08:39:21]

mchou:

Tanthrix: yeah, easy

[08:39:27]

Tanthrix:

I tried to get it working with the XvMC wrapper to no avail so I'd like to try

[08:39:51]

Tanthrix:

try specifying the actual NVIDIA library, that is

[08:40:53]

mchou:

Tanthrix: 'xine --help' Does xvmc and xxmc show up?

[08:41:10]

Captain_Murdoch:

remedy: "what not to wear", yes, not sure the network, but they get people with bad clothing, throw away a bunch of their old stuff, and give them $5000 to spend on new clothes.

[08:41:24]

PaulWay:

mchou, Captain_Murdoch – I take it you don't know how to solve my problem with mythfrontend?

[08:41:48]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Both xvmc and xmmc

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mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: never seen that b4

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mchou:

PaulWay: never seen that b4

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mchou:

Tanthrix: so? it should work :)

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jvs:

hmm...suddenly mythtv thinks all new recordings are 20 hours long

[08:43:09]

jvs:

actually they are just 45 minutes

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Captain_Murdoch:

PaulWay: never seen anything like that either.

[08:43:14]

jvs:

what the hell is going on!?

[08:43:24]

mchou:

Tanthrix: just need to make sure you /etc/X11/XvMCConfig is set up

[08:43:38]

PaulWay:

Curse. And there don't seem to be any obvious errors in the frontend log to say what might be getting confused, either.

[08:43:58]

PaulWay:

jvs: Now that's bizarre.

[08:44:02]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Let me switch computers real quick so I can tell you exactly what's going on. One sec.

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jvs:

first I though it happens just on this channel, but now I recognize it happens on all channels

[08:44:36]

jvs:

*thought

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jvs:

and myth has problems to handle the recording, seeking forward/backwards behaves strange

[08:45:43]

mchou:

Tanthrix: where you live in OR?

[08:46:05]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Portland

[08:46:16]

mchou:

Tanthrix: you work at Intel?

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PaulWay:

jvs: That reminds me of a time one of the tables Myth uses to know where to seek died in mysql.

[08:46:47]

PaulWay:

Have you checked the backend for errors?

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Captain_Murdoch:

jvs, possibe recordedmarkup table issues. check the howto or google for info on fixing a corrupt recordedmarkup table.

[08:46:54]

PaulWay:

/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.og

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PaulWay:

s/og/log/

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Tanthrix:

mchou: No, why do you ask?

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jvs:

PaulWay, Captain_Murdoch: good thought, I'll check

[08:47:38]

mchou:

Tanthrix: cause I lived in Portland. 2 company town. Intel/Nike :)

[08:47:54]

mchou:

Tanthrix: maybe OHSU too :)

[08:48:09]

PaulWay:

mchou: Heh. What about Powells?

[08:48:17]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Hehe, gotcha.

[08:48:22]

mchou:

PaulWay: they dont count

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jvs:

bingo: Can't open file: 'recordedmarkup.MYI'. (errno: 145)

[08:48:32]

PaulWay:

Actually, what about IBM?

[08:48:40]

PaulWay:

A friend of mine in Portland used to work for them.

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mchou:

PaulWay: never heard of them up there

[08:48:57]

PaulWay:

jvs: Yeah, that's the one that died on me!

[08:49:02]

mchou:

PaulWay: unless you mean old Sequent :)

[08:49:03]

PaulWay:

It's an utter pain.

[08:49:31]

mchou:

Tanthrix: OR have a sales tax yet?

[08:49:35]

PaulWay:

jvs: You have to get mysql to repair the table. I can't remember how but it'll be in http://www.mysql.org

[08:49:50]

jvs:

PaulWay, I know how to do that

[08:49:52]

jvs:

thank you :)

[08:49:53]

PaulWay:

mchou: No, this was Rational, which I think was part of IBM.

[08:50:02]

mchou:

PaulWay: ahh, OK

[08:50:02]

PaulWay:

Maybe I'm getting confused...

[08:50:11]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Ok, I can tell it's not working because it's using way too much CPU

[08:50:14]

PaulWay:

jvs: Hey, while you're here you can solve my problem! :-)

[08:50:15]

mchou:

PaulWay: Rational was small potatoes

[08:50:32]

PaulWay:

mchou: *shrugs* Small compared to Intel, certainly :-)

[08:50:35]

jvs:

PaulWay, let me get some coffe first :)

[08:50:38]

jvs:

*coffee

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mchou:

PaulWay: they probaly had 100 employees total

[08:50:58]

mchou:

in OR, that is

[08:51:24]

mchou:

PaulWay: Intel would call tat a "Slaes Ofice" :)

[08:51:25]

Tanthrix:

mchou: I'm running --verbose 1 and not seeing it mentioned other than in the list of plugins

[08:51:28]

mchou:

that*

[08:51:36]

Tanthrix:

mchou: How do you think I should proceed?

[08:51:57]

mchou:

Tanthrix: you proceed by using the correct command line for xine

[08:52:07]

mchou:

Tanthrix: OR have a sales tax yet?

[08:52:32]

Tanthrix:

mchou: As in xine -V xmmc OR -V xvmc? And no, not yet.

[08:52:42]

mchou:

Tanthrix: yup

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mchou:

and it's xxmc, not xmmc

[08:54:07]

mchou:

Tanthrix: ever go to Papa Haydn's?

[08:54:18]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Well, there's my first mistake ;) And never heard of it

[08:54:19]

mchou:

Tanthrix: miss the desserts!

[08:54:24]

PaulWay:

Do you mean xvmc? And 'Slave'?

[08:54:45]

mchou:

PaulWay: no, I meant "sales" :)

[08:55:00]

Tanthrix:

mchou: With -V xxmc I get "libXvMCW.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"

[08:55:11]

mchou:

Tanthrix: how long you been living in Portland!?

[08:55:23]

mchou:

Tanthrix: well, install that then

[08:55:28]

Tanthrix:

(Btw, I have XvMC working perfectly in mplayer and mythtv, so I know something is working right)

[08:55:44]

PaulWay:

mchou: Ah. Of course. :-)

[08:55:47]

Tanthrix:

mchou: My whole life.

[08:55:56]

mchou:

Tanthrix: wtf??

[08:56:07]

PaulWay:

Have you guys ever tried or thought of a MythTV Installfest?

[08:56:07]

mchou:

Tanthrix: you never heard of Papa Haydns?

[08:56:33]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Afraid not.

[08:56:39]

mchou:

Tanthrix: for god sakes there are 2 of them in Portland

[08:56:59]

mchou:

Tanthrix: well, go check out their brunches and desserts

[08:57:08]

mchou:

Tanthrix: fucking world famous

[08:57:37]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Never had much of a sweet tooth, but I'll be sure to give it a try sometime anyway.

[08:58:10]

mchou:

Tanthrix: where abouts you live in Portland?

[08:58:43]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Ok, I uninstalled the wrapper earlier and forgot about. Reinstalled it and now I'm getting the error that I was getting last night which is as follows:

[08:59:12]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Could not load hardware specific XvMC library "libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1"

[08:59:33]

Tanthrix:

mchou: I actually live in Milwaukie about half a mile from Portland. Go to school downtown at PSU though.

[08:59:48]

mchou:

Tanthrix: lol

[09:00:12]

mchou:

Tanthrix: papa haydn is just down the street from PUS on W 23

[09:00:16]

mchou:

PSU*

[09:00:33]

Tanthrix:

mchou: And that nvidia file does exist and lives in /usr/X11R6/lib/

[09:00:47]

Tanthrix:

mchou: I'll be sure to check it out then ;-)

[09:01:00]

jvs:

fixed

[09:01:02]

jvs:

nice :)

[09:01:40]

mchou:

Tanthrix: you need to make sure that path is included in /etc/ld.so.conf

[09:01:42]

PaulWay:

Excellent!

[09:02:35]

Tanthrix:

mchou: It is. There's more to the error by the way, sorry: mentions an undefined symbol: _nv0019XvMCdynamic

[09:02:41]

mchou:

Tanthrix: you drive in Portland? Or you take light rail?

[09:02:55]

jvs:

PaulWay, now what problem do you have?

[09:03:18]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Trimet for now.

[09:03:40]

mchou:

Tanthrix: then you might need to recompile xine

[09:03:58]

mchou:

Tanthrix: that's just a guess though

[09:03:59]

Tanthrix:

mchou: It's also complaining about libXv.so missing.

[09:04:01]

PaulWay:

I'm getting very weird behaviour from the mythfrontend – on exiting or finishing a show it'll go back to the beginning of the show, or a previous one watched, and repeat. Escape cannot exit; I can only exit by killing the mythfrontend process.

[09:04:27]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Both mplayer and myth work without the wrapper so I was wondering if I could just specify the nvidia libs

[09:04:29]

dorel__:

i see there's in mythfrontend playback general settings something called "PIP video location" – whats this about?

[09:04:37]

mchou:

Tanthrix: nope

[09:04:38]

jvs:

thats indeed odd

[09:04:53]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Xine mentions that you can do it but I was unable to make it go

[09:05:19]

PaulWay:

one moment, afk...

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Tanthrix:

mchou: Do you really think simple recompiling xine will fix my troubles?

[09:05:47]

mchou:

Tanthrix: most likely

[09:05:57]

mchou:

or recompile the wrapper

[09:06:12]

Tanthrix:

I'll do both.

[09:06:38]

Tanthrix:

Do I need to recompile the ui or can I get away with just the lib?

[09:06:47]

mchou:

Tanthrix: get out of portland as quick as you can :)

[09:07:02]

mchou:

Tanthrix: place is sliding downhill FAST

[09:07:22]

onetwo:

anyone got a dvb-s2 card working?

[09:07:23]

mchou:

Tanthrix: just the lib should suffice

[09:07:35]

Tanthrix:

mchou: I don't think so. I've been to quite a few places around the world and the only city that I like as much as Portland is SF

[09:07:51]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Venice, Italy is definately great, but I wouldn't want to live there.

[09:07:55]

mchou:

Tanthrix: Portand sucks in my opinion

[09:08:13]

mchou:

road infrastructure is HORRID

[09:08:22]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Where do you live now?

[09:08:31]

mchou:

SF bay area

[09:08:38]

mchou:

used to live in NYC

[09:08:54]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Hehe, my only other option

[09:09:04]

PaulWay:

No worse than any city in the US from my minimal experience.

[09:09:13]

PaulWay:

And better than Sydney by four country miles.

[09:09:18]

mchou:

Tanthrix: I think Portland is worse than Seattle

[09:09:31]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Xine's ./configure mentions -lXvMCW while myth said -lXvMCWNVIDIA – is that an issue?

[09:09:38]

mchou:

and Seattle is pretty bad

[09:09:48]

mchou:

Tanthrix: no issue

[09:09:49]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Or is that just because it points to the generic wrapper instead of the actual nvidia one?

[09:09:59]

mchou:

Tanthrix: yup

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[09:10:25]

mchou:

hated portland streets with a passion

[09:10:52]

mchou:

and why are there so MANY rednecks driving SUVs in Portland??

[09:10:55]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Portland is supposed to have one of the greatest public transportation systems in the world. I always hear from out of towners how easy it is to get around.

[09:10:56]

drear:

any experiences with TwinhanDTV Ter-CI Split?

[09:11:05]

mchou:

Tanthrix: bullshit

[09:11:14]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Maybe not in the world, heh. But in the states at least.

[09:11:24]

mchou:

Tanthrix: double bullshit

[09:11:25]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Most of Europe can own any public transport here.

[09:11:40]

PaulWay:

Tanthrix: Wait until you've tried the London Underground :-)

[09:11:41]

drear:

i thought about buying one.

[09:11:43]

mchou:

Tanthrix: Trimet sux ballz

[09:12:01]

Tanthrix:

mchou: I certainly share those sentiments when I miss a god damned transfer.

[09:12:17]

mchou:

Tanthrix: Tanthrix tool my g/f 2 hrs to get from west Portland to the airport

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mchou:

Tanthrix: light rail is USELESS

[09:12:38]

mchou:

too slow

[09:12:47]

mchou:

too many frigging stops

[09:13:17]

mchou:

any town that invests in light raid should be shot

[09:13:32]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Well, home is home, that's all I can say ;-)

[09:13:39]

mchou:

spend the money and invest in a proper subway system

[09:14:01]

PaulWay:

Where do you live, then, mchou?

[09:14:10]

onetwo:

temperature on London Underground was 42 celcius on Monday according to my colleagues phone – I had never sweated so much

[09:14:18]

mchou:

PaulWay: San Fran bay area

[09:14:21]

Tanthrix:

I'm not a fan of subways

[09:14:27]

mchou:

We have BART and Caltrain

[09:15:09]

mchou:

and those are slow enough

[09:15:10]

Tanthrix:

Alright, xine is recompiling. I'm not very hopeful, but we'll see.

[09:15:16]

mchou:

but bearable

[09:15:20]

PaulWay:

Ah, yes, a friend of mine works at Google and has talked about the BART.

[09:15:53]

Tanthrix:

At least it won't take as long as myth on this old 1ghz system

[09:16:54]

mchou:

and Portland TriMet has the scuzziest ppl on the light rail

[09:17:03]

mchou:

disgusting!

[09:17:19]

mchou:

full of bums and lowlifes

[09:17:48]

mchou:

NYC subway was more pleasant by comparison

[09:18:06]

mchou:

and I took that every day going to high school

[09:18:08]

Tanthrix:

You have a serious bone to pick with Portland. Were you robbed, raped, and left in a ditch here or something?

[09:18:23]

gardengnome:

oregon has gotta be nice.

[09:18:36]

mchou:

gardengnome: oregon sux

[09:18:54]

gardengnome:

mchou: beautiful landscape there. close to the ocean...

[09:19:01]

mchou:

most economically depressed big city on the west coast

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gardengnome:

oregon is not a city.

[09:19:11]

mchou:

I meant state

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PaulWay:

Well, take your pick of three...

[09:19:49]

mchou:

OR road infrastructure sux

[09:19:55]

Tanthrix:

gardengnome: It's quite nice, easy access to the beautiful coast and the mountains.

[09:20:11]

Tanthrix:

I love our beachers here, they aren't commercialized and packed full of people as much as in Cali

[09:20:12]

mchou:

when ever they do repairs they block the 2 lane road

[09:20:26]

mchou:

too fucking cheap to build more lanes

[09:20:28]

Tanthrix:

I had never even heard of a private beach until I left this state.

[09:20:36]

Tanthrix:

Are you some disgruntled civil engineer or something?

[09:20:39]

mchou:

Tanthrix: bullshit

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gardengnome:

Tanthrix: you from oregon?

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PaulWay:

mchou: relax, man, don't stress it! :-)

[09:20:51]

mchou:

Tanthrix: there are private beaches even in CA

[09:21:20]

Tanthrix:

mchou: That's what I mean. All of our beaches here are open and public.

[09:21:29]

Tanthrix:

No gates, no businesses, all beautiful open beaches.

[09:21:42]

mchou:

Tanthrix: bullshit

[09:21:46]

Tanthrix:

gardengnome: Aye, born and raised here.

[09:21:47]

PaulWay:

Tanthrix: Yeah – coming from Australia the idea of private beaches fills me with dread.

[09:22:00]

gardengnome:

Tanthrix: nice. the GF is from oegon, so i've heard a few things about it.

[09:22:02]

mchou:

OR beaches/landscapes plae in comparison with CA

[09:22:14]

mchou:

pale*

[09:22:30]

mchou:

Tanthrix: try Big Sur some time

[09:22:36]

PaulWay:

mchou: Ah, yes, the lovely smog over LA and San Fran really does the area credit.

[09:22:47]

mchou:

PaulWay: smog??

[09:22:57]

mchou:

PaulWay: you mean fog :)

[09:22:57]

Tanthrix:

I think mchou was assaulted by Oregon at some point in time. Hard to get over something like that.

[09:23:14]

Tanthrix:

SF is a beautiful city and relatively clean. LA is a mess though.

[09:23:18]

PaulWay:

Big Sur is banal and uninteresting compared to the Great Ocean Road, or the coast south of Sydney.

[09:23:38]

mchou:

Tanthrix: I was rear ended by redneck driving Ford F-150 on the cell phone :)

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Tanthrix:

PaulWay: Australia is on my list of places to go. It looks like a beautiful country.

[09:24:14]

Tanthrix:

mchou: That explains it. I've never heard such angst about a state before :)

[09:24:20]

mchou:

PaulWay: sure. But anyone comparion OR beaches to Big Sur doesnt know what a scenic beach looks like :)

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PaulWay:

mchou: See, I wouldn't call Big Sur 'beach'.

[09:25:10]

mchou:

PaulWay: it's a cliff with a beach :)

[09:25:24]

mchou:

actually with many beaches :)

[09:25:27]

PaulWay:

We tried the water in a bay along the Big Sur coast and, at the middle of summer, it was colder than when I swum in Bass Strait on the winter solstice.

[09:25:38]

mchou:

PaulWay: so?

[09:25:52]

mchou:

PaulWay: you think OR beaches are WARMER? :)

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PaulWay:

Nah.

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PaulWay:

I just think "come to the Gold Coast and experience a real beach." :-)

[09:27:15]

PaulWay:

I'm being light-hearted here.

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mchou:

PaulWay: you may be light-hearted but anyone thinking western OR is "beautiful" is sadly deluded

[09:28:55]

mchou:

Eastern OR is actually MUCH more interesting geologically

[09:28:59]

PaulWay:

Anyway, on with MythTV problem fixing, enough with the state bagging :-)

[09:29:54]

mchou:

Eastern OR has mountain ranges, vulcanos, fossils, flood plains......

[09:33:33]

PaulWay:

BTW, what's the 'AFD' in mythfrontend?

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onetwo:

I moved up to the latest svn yesterday from 10276 and got a load of 2006-07–03 16:07:47.347 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(2048) free(1831)

[09:41:33]

PaulWay:

Don't do that, then?

[09:41:35]

PaulWay:

:-)

[09:41:49]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Exact same error unfortunately.

[09:42:07]

onetwo:

10276 is really stable with nova-s,nova-t and pvr150 so I went back to it

[09:42:10]

mchou:

Tanthrix: beats me then

[09:43:12]

Tanthrix:

Thanks anyway.

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Hmmm.

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Juski:

afternoon

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** LLyric nods **

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sapbeast:

i didnt realize your capture card had some

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LLyric:

My fooking capture drivers are giving me grief

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LLyric:

cx88[0]/2: cx8802_restart_queue cx88[0]/2: cx8802_restart_queue: queue is empty dvb-usb: bulk message failed: -71 (1/0) etc

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dorel__:

i have a general question about the watch tv module

[12:12:39]

dorel__:

when i enter watch tv mode it's automatically buffering... is it buffering to the hd or on the pvr 150 card?

[12:12:49]

gardengnome:

to hd.

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gardengnome:

well, yes, likely on the pvr 150 too, but that buffer should be quite small ;)

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dorel__:

right.

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dev:

16meg :)

[12:13:21]

dorel__:

so where does it put it on the hd?

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dorel__:

thanks dev :P

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dev:

technically its not buffering in watch tv mode, its recording livetv always

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dev:

so in your recordings dir

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dev:

(to clarify its always 'recording' when you're in live tv 'mode')

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dorel__:

right, i see in my recordings dir the files

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dorel__:

OH

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dorel__:

that makes sense then :P

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dorel__:

thanks for that

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dev:

no prob

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** Juski chips in that the bufferring/recording can't be turned off to watch livetv.. before anybody moans about it **

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** gardengnome trouts Juski **

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Juski:

!trout gardengnome

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** MythLogBot slaps gardengnome with a trout on behalf of Juski... **

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gardengnome:

heh :) trying to build a debian repo atm. debarchiver looks like a nice tool for that job.

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Juski:

back at work today!

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gardengnome:

yay, work!

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gardengnome:

weekend for me.

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Juski:

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Juski:

god, I'm gonna order some proper bitmap editing software. GIMP is just too damn slow

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hashbang:

Juski: deluxe paint?

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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Juski:

lol. i need perspective correction, so it'd be PSP or something

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hashbang:

or create models and render

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hashbang:

e.g. real3d

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hashbang:

oh, and dpaint used to be able to do perspective transforms

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Juski:

whah? i've not got all day ya know

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hashbang:

oh, real3d was quick

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hashbang:

I used to run it on a 68020 Amiga, for heaven's sake. ;-)

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Juski:

yeh but it didn't have the OS overhead

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hashbang:

yeah, but that was only 5 MIPS

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hashbang:

a modern machine is probably ~400x faster

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Juski:

you should see GIMP trying to save a 400k PNG..

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hashbang:

and that's excluding modern FPUs

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otwin:

Juski: got an S100 for 35euros at ebay. i'll try to help getting minimyth ready for it.

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gardengnome:

otwin: awesome!

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gardengnome:

you'll like it :)

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otwin:

any adapter i need to get started – i have an usb keyboard

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gardengnome:

otwin: the vga adapter.

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Juski:

otwin: hope you have more luck than I did at building it

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Merlin83b:

Ooh, reminds me.

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Merlin83b:

Haven't looked at Ebay today yet!

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otwin:

scart to tv is not enough?

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Juski:

I need to add a line to enable debugging in minimyth so I can find out wtf is going wrong

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gardengnome:

otwin: no.

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otwin:

yeah, read that thread

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Juski:

otwin: nope. you need to be able to see the bios stuff – and for that you need the vga connection

[12:46:14]

otwin:

ok, then.

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Merlin83b:

Is there a d sub 15 thingy around or do you have to break out the soldering iron?

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gardengnome:

soldering iron ;)

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gardengnome:

the mapping is on juski's s100 website, iirc

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Merlin83b:

Thought that may be the case.

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Juski:

www.juski.co.uk/s100 folks

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doktoreas:

hi to all!

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Juski:

excuse the shite-ml ;-)

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gardengnome:

hi doktoreas

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doktoreas:

I am newbie about HTPC on linux, but i'd like to migrate it to linux as other machine on my house

[12:48:40]

doktoreas:

hi gardengnome

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hashbang:

doktoreas: welcome on board

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hashbang:

doktoreas: I was a newbie too, 4 months ago. ;-)

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doktoreas:

just 2 simply question...

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Juski:

even Linus was a noob once upon a time ;-)

[12:49:31]

doktoreas:

I use a decoder with a CArd from italian sky

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hashbang:

eek

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doktoreas:

i wonder how use the card with a Satcard :|

[12:50:08]

hashbang:

doktoreas: IIRC, you need a TV card with a CAM slot

[12:50:42]

hashbang:

doktoreas: beyond that it all gets a bit sketchy as there's a lot of common ground with pirating sat TV, which we don't talk about.

[12:50:43]

Juski:

a DVB-S card with a CI slot, and a CAM suitable for the card

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doktoreas:

no pirating here

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doktoreas:

just to know a nice card that works with mythtv

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Juski:

if it's Murdoch owned Sky TV, maybe they don't let you have a CAM for it

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hashbang:

doktoreas: sure. but you'll need to be very careful about the questions you ask, so that people understand that.

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doktoreas:

Juski: a lot of people in italy use common decoder with sky card

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doktoreas:

using a CAM

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doktoreas:

but i don't know nothing about pccard with CI slot

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Juski:

erm... what's the name of that european online satellite shop?

[12:52:51]

Juski:

they do all the stuff you need I think

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doktoreas:

i'll check thx!

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doktoreas:

Juski: when Mythtv record movie, it can take the EPS from sat?

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gardengnome:

yep. usually, yes.

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Juski:

EPS?

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gardengnome:

that's EPG, i think

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Juski:

ah

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doktoreas:

lol EPG yes

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Juski:

argghh damn this stupid Canon camera's shitty software. why do all 'non-pro' apps have to look like fucking Fisher Price toys and be totally useless?!

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doktoreas:

http://www.dueemme.com/catalogo/77.06.html

[13:02:08]

doktoreas:

i found this

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doktoreas:

what do you think about?

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sloncho:

hi. trying to compile -fixes on SuSE 10 64 bit. configure fails with "no Lime .." error. But I have lame installed. and libmp3lib is installed

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gardengnome:

sloncho: have you installed the -dev package?

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sloncho:

gardengnome – unfortunately no one is present in the repository

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gardengnome:

sloncho: maybe it's already installed. check if lame.h is installed on your system.

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sloncho:

only toolame.h is installed

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Juski:

doktoreas: I can't look at the page you sent... banned by the IT dept :-/

[13:35:24]

gardengnome:

yeah, mythtvtalk is banned at my school. for pornography or drugs, don't remember. "open source software! omg! would someone *please* think of the children?!"

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snecklifter:

anyone had any issues doing a fc4 -> fc5 upgrade with myth?

[13:41:58]

Juski:

heh. I'll bet

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qu0zl:

any problems sharing a DB between latest .19 svn and .19.1 fixes? The DB schema hasn't changed right?

[13:42:14]

Juski:

qu0zl: you're dicing with death there

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qu0zl:

hehe d'oh

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snecklifter:

Juski: Im betting too so jhust fishing for showstoppers

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gardengnome:

qu0zl: the DB schema has changed, IMHO. i wouldn't recommend it.

[13:42:25]

qu0zl:

damn

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qu0zl:

thanks guys

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Juski:

starting to feel like asking if it's friday yet....

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gardengnome:

;)

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gardengnome:

debarchiver is acting up. "libxmltv-perl_0.5.44-laga-dapper1_all.deb owner () do not match xmltv_0.5.44-laga-dapper1_i386.changes owner (1000)." – the owner is the same everywhere :/

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dorel__:

how does the commercial skipping works?

[14:32:00]

dev:

this is strange.. everytime i set a show to record on the history channel only, once its scheduled, myth says "MythTV Status:

[14:32:02]

dev:

This show does not match the current program listings."

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dev:

if i search for other instances of the same show, and select that one to record, it will say the same thing

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dev:

apparently only on the history channel. hrmph

[14:37:08]

dev:

does it with any new scheduled recordings on that channel only, wtf

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dev:

so what could be wrong with one channel thats not affecting all the others

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sloncho:

hi. compiling 0.19-fixes on SuSE 10.0 x86_64. Fails with undefined reference to vbi_bit_reverse, formats and subtitles. What should I do. Google does not reveal anything.

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geemark:

hello again – can I grant the mythtv user access to connect to the X server somehow?

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geemark:

at present, I need to start mythfrontend as root :S

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qu0zl:

don't run X as root, run it as mythtv, and launch mythfrontend from inside it

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qu0zl:

unless there's a reason you can't do that of course

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geemark:

I can run "startx" only as root

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qu0zl:

that's what i'd be inclined to fix tbh insteadm but if you really don't mind then try "xhost +localhost" from inside that startx script

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qu0zl:

that should let anything running on the local machine connect to your X. It's a great big security hole but if it's a standalone system it's not a big deal

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geemark:

startx is a binary

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qu0zl:

i doubt that

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qu0zl:

you sure?

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geemark:

my bad :)

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qu0zl:

geemark, what i do is use gdm to auto-launch X. then gdm automatically logs in mythtv and starts mythfrontend

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qu0zl:

it's a few seconds slower than without gdm but it's easy

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geemark:

qu0zl: how so

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D-side:

i havent broken anything yet. i guess i'll stick a new kernel in.

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D-side:

well. s/yet/lately/

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qu0zl:

what's your distro geemark?

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geemark:

qu0zl: Debian

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qu0zl:

apt-get install gdm

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geemark:

that requires like 700 other packages :D

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geemark:

I'll figure out something else ;)

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qu0zl:

true :) the mythtv doc's may show you how to do it automatically with .xinitrc, i've seen guides to do so

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qu0zl:

good luck with it

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geemark:

qu0zl: I assume your backend starts auto also?

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qu0zl:

yeah, i added a init script i found somewhere

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qu0zl:

in one of the guides

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geemark:

qu0zl: great, thanks – i'll browse the docs a bit

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qu0zl:

good luck, the cmd you need to add a script call mythbackend you've placed in /etc/init.d on debian is "update-rc.d mythbackend defaults"

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D-side:

so... 2.6.16+ requires ivtv 0.6.x ?

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qu0zl:

2.6.16 -> .6.x, 2.6.17->.7.x as i recall

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qu0zl:

the ivtv website has the details

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D-side:

ah excellent, thats all i needed.

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D-side:

thanks.

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sloncho:

repeat, sorry: compiling 0.19-fixes on SuSE 10.0 x86_64. Fails with undefined reference to vbi_bit_reverse, formats and subtitles. What should I do. Google does not reveal anything.

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Saviq:

hi there U all :)

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Saviq:

I have a fair simple question... but please don't kill me, I'm new to mythtv

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** gardengnome cocks the shotgun **

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Saviq:

is it possible to have mythtv running on my tv apart from normal use of my desktop?

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** Saviq hides behind a tree **

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Saviq:

I have a dualhead nVidia

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gardengnome:

you want to have a TV running mythtv and a monitor showing your desktop connected to the same machien? yes, that should be possible.

[16:01:26]

Saviq:

and I'd like it to run on my tv regardless of what I do on my desktop – even if I switch xsessions

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gardengnome:

depends on your hardware, though

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Saviq:

the only way I achieved this was through xnest – running another x server within display :0.1

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Saviq:

and then I could run myth on :0.0

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Saviq:

and all was ok until I tried to, for example, log out or switch a user

[16:04:41]

Saviq:

and I'd really like it to run regardless of user interaction apart from lirc

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gardengnome:

i believe you can run a ..

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gardengnome:

ah.

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gardengnome:

i believe you can run a second X server on the TV output, but i'm not sure how to do that.

[16:08:27]

Saviq:

yeah tried that... but couldn't get it to show both at a time...

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Saviq:

could switch to either of them

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sloncho:

Saviq: if I'm not wrong in setup/apearence there were some checkbox for different resolutions for mythtv, in the explanation was mentioned 2 x servers

[16:13:28]

sloncho:

also, check the nvidia site, their docs for nvidia driver. there were examples how to start 2 servers on both displays

[16:15:03]

Saviq:

great, thanks... will look into that

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Saviq:

http://disjunkt.com/dualhead/

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Saviq:

hmm... thought it should be easier ;]

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Saviq:

but still – it may work :D

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Juski:

evening

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Juski:

!trout gardengnome with case badges: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/images/badges.png

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** MythLogBot slaps gardengnome with case badges: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/images/badges.png with a trout on behalf of Juski... **

[16:40:27]

gardengnome:

spiffy!

[16:40:47]

Juski:

about 1 euro each

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Juski:

less if I get more made :-)

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gardengnome:

sell 'em ;)

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Dagmar:

Nice

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Juski:

and my other s100 has just arrived

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gardengnome:

play time for ya :)

[16:45:41]

Juski:

wait til Coume sees the badges.. heheh

[16:46:10]

Juski:

I'm amazed nobody has done them before.. just assuming cos I've never seen any on sale anywhere

[16:47:09]

Juski:

damn! this s100 has marks on the front panel.. grr. bad feedback for that guy

[16:47:39]

Juski:

better verify that it works before I do anything else...

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Juski:

seems to be ok

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Juski:

sheesh. no wonder people are getting rid of these boxen. the software they come with is gash!

[17:03:28]

gardengnome:

right. but it supports RGB %)

[17:04:37]

Juski:

so does my system.pcf file :-P

[17:04:48]

gardengnome:

hehe

[17:05:46]

Juski:

oh dear God. That's 5 times I've seen a windows media 9 splash now

[17:06:05]

kayelem:

I have a feeling I may have to send money to someone in Germany and ask them to get me an s100

[17:06:15]

kayelem:

not one eBay vendor has replied

[17:06:22]

Juski:

hmmm. who do we know who lives in Germany? ;-)

[17:06:27]

gardengnome:

fer2 has had the same problem as kayelem.

[17:06:38]

gardengnome:

me?

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** gardengnome hides **

[17:07:03]

kayelem:

and one replied to someone else with something like "it's got software on that works in Germany, I won't ship outside Germany"

[17:07:05]

Juski:

crap. press a button to go back to a previous menu... "please wait a moment"....

[17:07:20]

gardengnome:

yep. all the time. can you access those games?

[17:07:24]

Juski:

please WHAT?!

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gardengnome:

does the UI come in english, actually?

[17:07:45]

Juski:

hell if mythtv was like this I'd have binned it ages ago

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Juski:

gardengnome: no, but my german is good enough to get the jist ;)

[17:08:24]

Juski:

here we go.. Spiele.. please wait...

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dev:

du hast!

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Juski:

please wait

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Juski:

please wait

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kayelem:

so... it's slow as hell...

[17:09:08]

gardengnome:

dev: </rammstein>

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Juski:

please remove the DoM and place a linux bootloader on it. mount an NFS share & proceed to use mythfrontend

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dev:

hehe :D

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Juski:

and they charge people _how much_ for this crap?

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Juski:

the guy at work who bought one is still planning on using windows ce for his project

[17:11:03]

Juski:

I think he's gonna be mighty frustrated by it

[17:11:13]

gardengnome:

i don't want to know. i still wonder why nobody has tried to sell me their iptv plan. well, those bastards probably know i can't get a fast DSL line.

[17:11:24]

Juski:

but, if a 733 cpu is so bad with ce... I hate to think how bad handhelds are with it

[17:11:32]

gardengnome:

Juski: let him get frustrated first before you point him to zenslack, it'll be much more appreciate by then.

[17:11:45]

gardengnome:

Juski: i suppose that t-vision made their own (shitty) UI:

[17:11:49]

Juski:

he's already been onto me for the password. I told him mine was out of date :-P

[17:11:57]

gardengnome:

hehe

[17:12:43]

Juski:

already put him off when I told him it doesnt come with mythbackend on it

[17:13:07]

Juski:

he'll learn ;-)

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gardengnome:

Juski: maybe you should have a blog about his learning process.

[17:14:13]

Juski:

right.. I've had it 45 minutes or so now... time to take the lid off

[17:14:14]

** gardengnome gets the popcorn **

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Saviq:

think I may have found it... http://linuxgazette.net/124/smith.html

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Saviq:

sounds promising :D

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Juski:

promising for what? I multihead mythfrontend? oh dear. Talk to a user in here about multitasking with video in linux about that :-P

[17:17:45]

Juski:

damn. this thing doesn't have a pci socket or 2nd ide port either

[17:18:10]

Saviq:

yeah I know... but I just don't want to have my desktop to run myth on my tv :]

[17:18:14]

Saviq:

that's all :)

[17:18:25]

Saviq:

*I just WANT

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kayelem:

I think I've put getting an s100 "on hold" for a few months; I ought to have an MSNTV2 on the way.

[17:20:56]

Juski:

ce disabled...

[17:21:07]

Juski:

booting linux

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kormoc:

Saviq, might just be better to get a second box for myth, as it is designed to be stand alone

[17:21:27]

Saviq:

yeah I know... maybe some day ;d

[17:21:51]

kayelem:

I got a s/h XP2400+ box for 75 quid just for myth

[17:22:09]

Saviq:

yeah right... but I live in Poland ;)

[17:22:14]

Juski:

some people have no end of trouble trying to play back video smoothly & do stuff like web browsing on another desktop

[17:22:27]

kayelem:

once it became aparrent I needed a little more thrutch than an 800MHz Duron and it's better dedicating a box to it.

[17:24:09]

geemark:

anyone ever heard of a myth-box spontaneously rebooting while recording or watching livetv??

[17:24:10]

kayelem:

I suppose if I keep trying I might find an s100 vendor who's prepared to communicate with me eventually.

[17:24:51]

Juski:

oops. needed its MAC address. got it now

[17:28:59]

dtm:

kayelem: ahoy! s100? you mean the common i/o bus from the 1970s, featured in the MITS Altair and the Vector-1?

[17:29:14]

LoneShadow:

no he means a STB from germany :D

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dtm:

oic well that's cool too

[17:29:37]

kayelem:

dtm, heh... I've used that... and *did* wonder what people were on about for a oment...

[17:30:05]

kayelem:

LoneShadow, <cough> she... :)

[17:30:15]

dtm:

kayelem: well s100 users ARE fabulous. just look! http://oldcomputers.net/vector1.html

[17:31:37]

dtm:

kayelem: say, i have improved my ntsc-like output! i booted with 'video=atyfb:vmode=4' which is supposed to be identical to macos's 640x480 ntsc mode. i found macmodes.h. so with that, i have a full screen except the top is clipped off and vertically wavy. but the bottom's ok! ;)

[17:31:44]

Juski:

1K or more ?!?!?! will mythbackend have trouble transcoding with that much system ram?

[17:32:10]

kayelem:

the s100 (stb that is) looks a little more useful for my purposes than the msntv2, though. Doesn't need as much mucking about, there's a real bios on there.

[17:32:12]

dtm:

Juski: you do need to enable swap

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Juski:

rotfl

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Juski:

yeh kayelem.. no flashy flashy

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dtm:

kayelem: i wonder if it's possible that this tv sux. it's a 27" panasonic with no OSD other than setting stereo/mono.

[17:33:05]

kayelem:

I'm mildly curious as to what an s100 bios would do on an msntv2...

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dtm:

kayelem: but real macos does fine on it so i guess not ^_^

[17:33:19]

Juski:

erm.. break it?

[17:33:23]

kayelem:

heh

[17:33:28]

kayelem:

probably...

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dtm:

are you going to write an 8bit s100 emulator for your card?

[17:33:43]

kayelem:

I'd still try if I can get one of each

[17:33:51]

dtm:

to visually inspire it with Vector-1 heritage?

[17:34:12]

kayelem:

I have enough real ancient tech here...

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Juski:

dtm: sod that. we're talking very much about the here & now

[17:34:30]

Juski:

old computers are sucky. who needs em?

[17:34:41]

dtm:

Juski: respect your elders!

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kayelem:

CP/M machines, real IBM AT, NewBrain, BBC Micro...

[17:34:56]

kayelem:

Juski, me..? ;-)

[17:35:14]

Juski:

you can get microcontrollers more powerful these days

[17:35:29]

Juski:

and when the old machines eventually die... oh dear

[17:36:00]

kayelem:

I know someone who's just got a PDP11 and is finding it fairly repairable.

[17:36:08]

kayelem:

He's nearly fixed the CPU...

[17:36:12]

Juski:

don't get me wrong – I'm not always in favour of the newest & fastest kit. I can't afford it for a start

[17:36:15]

dtm:

kayelem: they dont make em like they used to ;)

[17:36:52]

Juski:

back in the day when poor souls thought that 3 computers would be enough for the world, things were undoubtedly much different

[17:36:59]

dtm:

Juski: yeah my hardware for computing and gaming is at least 5 years old, always, since the n64 era

[17:37:42]

Juski:

we've not really advanced much as a civilisation though have we? ;-)

[17:46:37]

Juski:

well that killed the conversation.. I'll get me coat

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Juski:

hmmm... how do you know which disk is which, in grub?

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Juski:

heh.. alphabetical order, dummy :-P

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gardengnome:

Juski: hd0,0 is /dev/hda1; hd0,1 ...ah k.

[18:08:42]

Juski:

hd1,0 can be /dev/sda1

[18:08:52]

Juski:

when hda1 is present already

[18:09:02]

Juski:

quite confusing

[18:10:04]

Juski:

well I must say this guy who we've been trying to get to do a quote for rebuilding our front garden wall must really not want the business

[18:10:07]

LoneShadow:

Juski, is the s100 sold only in germany ?

[18:10:10]

kormoc:

Juski, and the bios order is different then the kernel order

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Juski:

3 times he's not showed now. fucktard

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Ediehow:

hi

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Juski:

LoneShadow: some ebay sellers ship to other parts of the world

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kormoc:

Juski, for example, my bios has my ide drives before my sata drives, but the kernel has the sata drives first

[18:10:46]

Ediehow:

i have weird things going on with myth. it will act like someone pressed keys in the middle of me watching tv

[18:10:50]

LoneShadow:

yea but its mainly available in germany only ?

[18:10:53]

Ediehow:

and sometimes mythtv will just startt up for no reason

[18:11:02]

Juski:

LoneShadow: yeah

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kormoc:

Ediehow, ghosts in your processor

[18:11:29]

LoneShadow:

friend from Brussels will be visiting US in sept, should ask him to get me one :D

[18:11:33]

Juski:

Ediehow: you need this guy... http://www.derekacorah.org/

[18:11:59]

guru18:

Ediehow: have you checked under the couch cushions ? maybe you're sitting on the remote

[18:12:32]

LoneShadow:

lol guru

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LoneShadow:

Ediehow: your ir tx is probably tuned to some duplicate signals from another remote

[18:13:35]

LoneShadow:

a strong matching neigbhours remote closeby can cause havoc :D

[18:13:52]

Ediehow:

LoneShadow: but it's even when i am not using remote controller

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LoneShadow:

oops, I mean IR RX

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LoneShadow:

yea, but your neigbhour could be using his

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Ediehow:

it will do it when i am sleeping

[18:14:29]

LoneShadow:

its possible, not saying this is your case

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Juski:

Ediehow: do you have a cordless phone? or do you keep a mobile phone (cellphone) near the box or the IR receiver?

[18:18:43]

Ediehow:

i have a cell phone

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Ediehow:

but some of this has happened when cell phone was in other room

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Juski:

it could still be the cellphone to blame

[18:19:22]

gardengnome:

umm. neighbour's IR remote causing interference?

[18:19:49]

Juski:

sunlight.. fluorescent lighting?

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Juski:

what kind of IR receiver is it?

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LoneShadow:

maybe your dog/cat likes to watch tv when you are sleeping :D

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imperfect-:

Howdy

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imperfect-:

So I've got an MCE500 in an Athlon XP 2200+

[18:27:27]

imperfect-:

And I'm trying to watch TV with latest SVN .19 — and I get audio but no video

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imperfect-:

and the log is filled with NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers.

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imperfect-:

Any ideas?

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Juski:

imperfect-: you've tested the card with cat /dev/video<foo> > test.mpg sorta thing haven't you?

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billybennett:

2x PVR-150 or 1x PVR-500 ?

[18:33:39]

imperfect-:

1x PVR-500

[18:33:44]

imperfect-:

Hence the MCE500..

[18:33:54]

imperfect-:

Juski: and yeah I've got both devices and they do jazzy stuff

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billybennett:

I'm just asking opinions :P

[18:35:10]

Juski:

1xpvr500 as long as you get the AV extension bracket with it

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Juski:

imperfect-: are you using the tuner or external input?

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LabMonkey:

refresh my memory... where do you configure what User Job #x does?

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kormoc:

mythtv-setup

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LabMonkey:

argh

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LabMonkey:

can I run that while the backend is recording?

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kormoc:

yes

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LabMonkey:

k

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LabMonkey:

thanks

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Juski:

gardengnome: got a sec?

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gardengnome:

Juski: sure.

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Juski:

pm?

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gardengnome:

why not... but let me get a beer first.

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imperfect-:

Juski: tuner

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Juski:

imperfect-: hmm... try making a recording & playing it back in maybe mplayer

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imperfect-:

ok

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LabMonkey:

I like how Squidbillies is showing up in my recordings in the recording group "Children"

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Juski:

W T F? all my upcoming recordings have vanished!

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gardengnome:

change recording group?

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Juski:

gardengnome: in mythweb.. they're gone.

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gardengnome:

restart $stuff.

[18:56:56]

Juski:

I think I might've run mythfilldatabase as the wrong user

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Juski:

but having said that...

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Beirdo:

kick $ass

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imperfect-:

welp

[19:17:50]

imperfect-:

I finally got video

[19:17:51]

imperfect-:

alas

[19:17:55]

imperfect-:

I can't change channels

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imperfect-:

it just shows one ;)

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Juski:

that's gotta be an improvement though right? ;-)

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dtm:

imperfect-: hooray

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imperfect-:

This machine is uber slow

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imperfect-:

I may have to try MCE

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dtm:

that's the ultimate nonsequitur i've heard all day

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Speedy2:

MCE is just an install...all the Linux stuff is painful :/

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Juski:

that was noob for 'help! or I'll give up on it' if ever I saw it ;-)

[19:25:22]

imperfect-:

Nope

[19:25:22]

imperfect-:

it was

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imperfect-:

This machine is too slow to run MythTV on

[19:25:35]

imperfect-:

and the girlfriend doesn't want to buy a new box

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Speedy2:

imperfect-: Define slow.

[19:25:49]

imperfect-:

I had to twist her arm to get her to try Myth

[19:25:54]

imperfect-:

Speedy2: Athlon Xp 2200+

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imperfect-:

channel changes take upward of 5 seconds

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Juski:

if it's too slow for myth.. it's definitely too slow for mce

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gardengnome:

imperfect-: are you gonna do hdtv?

[19:26:12]

imperfect-:

nope she isn't

[19:26:23]

gardengnome:

she?

[19:26:26]

imperfect-:

I've got myth at home running fine

[19:26:31]

imperfect-:

This is my girlfriends box

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Speedy2:

imperfect-: DVB-S?

[19:26:41]

imperfect-:

Nope

[19:26:43]

imperfect-:

well

[19:26:43]

imperfect-:

Maybe

[19:26:44]

imperfect-:

But cable

[19:26:50]

Speedy2:

5 seconds == something is wrong

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Speedy2:

imperfect-: Do you have video overlay working?

[19:27:23]

imperfect-:

XVMC support and latest nvidia drivers

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gardengnome:

are you running 0.19 or 0.19-fixes? 0.19-fixes is a little bit faster, there was an issue with osd caching.

[19:27:41]

imperfect-:

latest svn..

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Speedy2:

imperfect-: You verified XvMC works?

[19:28:16]

dev:

0.19-fixes (the latest fixes) crashed every 2 days for me

[19:28:19]

imperfect-:

well it's compiled in..

[19:28:23]

imperfect-:

How would I verify?

[19:28:30]

imperfect-:

Right now I can't even get the damn thing to change channels

[19:28:37]

imperfect-:

I dunno if its an ivtv bug or what

[19:28:49]

imperfect-:

There are of course no errors in the Fe log to tell me whats going on

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Speedy2:

imperfect-: mplayer -vo xvmc -vc ffmpeg12mc <mpeg2.mpg> or mplayer -vo xvmc -vc ffmpeg12mc dvd://1

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imperfect-:

I wonder if I have the xvmc set up to watch TV

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imperfect-:

where is that setting

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** imperfect- runs over to the box **

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Juski:

xvmc? for a 2200+ box? get out of town man

[19:30:29]

Juski:

for sdtv? something is wrong, like dma isn't enabled or something daft

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imperfect-:

How do I check for enabled DMA on the PCI card?

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imperfect-:

Or are you referring to DMA on the ide?

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GreyFoxx:

he likely is

[19:40:03]

imperfect-:

yeah well

[19:40:04]

imperfect-:

it's on

[19:40:04]

imperfect-:

;)

[19:40:14]

imperfect-:

using_dma = 1 (on)

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GreyFoxx:

You have something seriously wacked then, since all of my frontends are 733mhz and down except for my "master" backend+ frontend machine whcih is a xp2500

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imperfect-:

i dunno

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imperfect-:

the front end takes 2 minutes or so to load

[19:41:09]

imperfect-:

I dont get it

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GreyFoxx:

Crazy

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GreyFoxx:

takes ~30seconds from poweron to frontend being loaded for me

[19:43:02]

gardengnome:

the s100 takes like 2 minutes or more from power button to mythfrontend. but even with basic optimizations, i should be able to get down to one minute. and nothing prevents me from replacing init with initng or runit :)

[19:43:05]

GreyFoxx:

Is the system extremely low on ram ?

[19:43:38]

GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: My msntv2 takes 45 or so seconds, mount / over the network

[19:43:49]

GreyFoxx:

I'm suprised it would take that long for the s100

[19:43:58]

D-side:

GreyFoxx: where do you live again?

[19:44:08]

GreyFoxx:

Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

[19:44:18]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: how do you get 30 secs? not with init I bet

[19:44:26]

D-side:

GreyFoxx: set up one of those boxes for me and ship it down here? i'll pay. :)

[19:44:49]

GreyFoxx:

Juski: Yup, standard Slackware install using init

[19:45:01]

D-side:

oh. slackware? nevermind. :D

[19:45:05]

GreyFoxx:

well, not "Standard" in that I don't load a couple thinks like inetd and such

[19:45:34]

GreyFoxx:

D-side: I stick with what just works :)

[19:46:22]

D-side:

GreyFoxx: actually.

[19:46:36]

D-side:

heh nevermind

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imperfect-:

well

[19:47:07]

imperfect-:

that's a bit weird I guess

[19:47:11]

** GreyFoxx will do some properly timed reboots later **

[19:47:21]

imperfect-:

I got mpeg2play_accel

[19:47:23]

imperfect-:

and it runs

[19:47:29]

imperfect-:

so it shouldnt be xvmc

[19:47:41]

imperfect-:

I am finding it weird that /dev/video0 is busy

[19:47:45]

imperfect-:

but video1 works fine

[19:48:18]

GreyFoxx:

Actually I can time it from here, since I remote syslog

[19:48:22]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:48:28]

imperfect-:

Anyone know how I can find out what's using video0 ?

[19:48:29]

GreyFoxx:

I can reboot it and watch the logs to see when it loads mythfrontend

[19:48:47]

GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: lsof

[19:49:10]

Juski:

imperfect-: prolly mythbackend

[19:49:32]

Juski:

and you've only set up one tuner so far I suspect

[19:51:19]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: I think it might be worth looking at doing a slack install for the s100. I like the idea of 30sec boot time.. anything less than what it is now anyway

[19:51:37]

gardengnome:

Juski: gentoo with initng is great on that low-end frontend of mine.

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gardengnome:

quite fast.

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gardengnome:

i wonder if preloading libraries etc during boot would speed things up.

[19:52:47]

** Juski googles initng **

[19:53:01]

gardengnome:

Juski: runit is supposed to work well, too.

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GreyFoxx:

http://pastebin.ca/index.php

[19:54:40]

GreyFoxx:

Juski: 24 Seconds from first DHCP (kernel dhcp) to end of my rc.local

[19:54:48]

Juski:

wowser

[19:54:52]

GreyFoxx:

which is after my call to start X, but that could overlap a little by a coupelk seconds

[19:55:11]

Juski:

X doesn't take long to start without bloatware ;-)

[19:55:12]

GreyFoxx:

gw is the dhcp /firewall, woop is the fileserver , and fe1 is the msntv

[19:55:24]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: you pasted the index page

[19:55:33]

GreyFoxx:

oops

[19:55:37]

GreyFoxx:

http://pastebin.ca/80754

[19:55:50]

GreyFoxx:

I added a logger line to the end of the rc.local to log something when rc.local finished

[19:56:22]

GreyFoxx:

hence the "done" hehe

[19:57:04]

GreyFoxx:

woop, my daughter just arrived

[19:57:06]

GreyFoxx:

time to go home

[19:57:06]

GreyFoxx:

ttyl

[19:57:09]

Beirdo:

Seeya

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[19:57:58]

Juski:

enjoy hometime :)

[19:58:03]

Beirdo:

WTF?

[19:58:08]

Beirdo:

wake UP, cdrom

[19:59:30]

imperfect-:

jesus

[19:59:32]

imperfect-:

this is fucking gay

[19:59:44]

imperfect-:

mythfrontend launches setup for somne reason

[20:00:13]

gardengnome:

noe

[20:00:15]

gardengnome:

nope.

[20:00:16]

GreyFoxx:

It will launch a setup for sql database stuff if it hasn't been configured

[20:00:20]

GreyFoxx:

that's all

[20:00:48]

** GreyFoxx finally goes **

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Juski:

imperfect-: don't use gay as an insult, fucktard

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Juski:

enjoy installing MCE

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** gardengnome wonders if it's PC to use metrosexual as an insult **

[20:02:34]

Juski:

lol

[20:02:45]

Juski:

mullet-head might be better

[20:03:14]

gardengnome:

F'ING torx screw

[20:03:18]

D-side:

i've tried hard recently to not use "gay" as a negative slur.

[20:03:23]

D-side:

hard to do.

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imperfect-:

Juski : Yeah because fucktard is the bar by which all insults are judged?

[20:04:38]

imperfect-:

I'm watching some spanish channel

[20:05:05]

Juski:

nice

[20:05:11]

gardengnome:

imperfect-: you shouldn't be discriminating against gay people, that's what he meant

[20:05:29]

imperfect-:

gardengnome : I don't think he should be discriminating against fucktards.

[20:05:52]

imperfect-:

Fucktards need lovin' too.

[20:06:48]

gardengnome:

well, yes. calling someone a 'retard' is probably not PC either, unless by "fucking retard" he meant that you had certain problems sex.

[20:07:08]

Juski:

since I don't called mentally handicapped people retarded (that would be demeaning to them).. I think it's okay to use the word in this context

[20:08:08]

imperfect-:

I think your judgment is no more relevant than my judgement of my machines homosexuality.

[20:08:22]

imperfect-:

Whereas it's anthropomorphic and as such completely irrelevant.

[20:08:36]

imperfect-:

i.e. This conversation is stupid.

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dtm:

you pick one particular word that has several completely disparate meanings, and which was only recently coopted by a desperate social movement, and you anthropomorphize and selectively enforce it as insulting. nice one.

[20:09:12]

dtm:

what the deuce, son

[20:09:22]

Juski:

hey it's IRC

[20:09:33]

dtm:

:-I

[20:09:44]

imperfect-:

Juski : The defense rests your honor. =)

[20:09:55]

Juski:

here's a definition I never knew about.. "A leotard with a hole in the crotch instead of snaps so you can get some quick in and out action between ballet performances."

[20:10:02]

dtm:

:-o

[20:10:13]

dtm:

Juski: a definition of WHAT

[20:10:16]

imperfect-:

What is that?

[20:10:20]

Juski:

a fucktard

[20:10:21]

imperfect-:

Urban dictionaruy

[20:10:22]

imperfect-:

fuck tard

[20:10:23]

imperfect-:

yeah

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Beirdo:

Juski, nice, I like that definition

[20:11:29]

Beirdo:

be pretty hard to dance after a proper quicky though

[20:11:57]

imperfect-:

Am I the only one refraining from homosexual ballet dancer comments?

[20:12:24]

gardengnome:

Juski: btw, the modem is slotted. and fixed with yet another torx screw.

[20:12:27]

imperfect-:

But more to the subject

[20:12:42]

imperfect-:

Is there anyway to get rid of the "prescaling" images ons tartup?

[20:12:42]

Juski:

maybe redneck is a better insult...

[20:12:53]

xris:

imperfect-: no

[20:12:58]

xris:

why would you want to?

[20:13:02]

gardengnome:

Juski: stop insulting people with sunburned skin.

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imperfect-:

I think the fact that you feel the need to categorize and insult is quite revealing about your character.

[20:13:35]

imperfect-:

Maybe you should take some time and look at that

[20:13:55]

Juski:

whatever

[20:14:03]

xris:

gardengnome: "redneck" refers to the dumbass cowboy who forgot to tie a bandana around his neck. it's *meant* to be an insult.

[20:14:04]

imperfect-:

I see!

[20:14:13]

gardengnome:

xris: i know. ;)

[20:14:16]

imperfect-:

The tribal call of the englightened and uber-tolerant

[20:14:25]

imperfect-:

"WHATEVAH WHATEVAH I DO WHAT I WANT"

[20:14:26]

imperfect-:

;)

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gardengnome:

imperfect-: i dislike how you insult people who're categorizing insults.

[20:15:05]

imperfect-:

gardengnome : It's called irony. ;)

[20:15:10]

imperfect-:

gardengnome : Welcome to it ;)

[20:15:37]

dtm:

lalala

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gardengnome:

imperfect-: i dislike how you discriminate against people who don't understand irony.

[20:15:53]

gardengnome:

ok ok, just kidding. i'll stfu now :)

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imperfect-:

hehehe

[20:15:58]

imperfect-:

;)

[20:16:04]

imperfect-:

gardengnome : It's circular and fun!

[20:16:09]

dtm:

imperfect-: I find your insights to be intriguing, and I should like to subscribe to your news-letter!

[20:16:35]

Beirdo:

it's a fucktard convention today... Let's get this convention in order...

[20:16:37]

imperfect-:

dtm: blink

[20:16:45]

imperfect-:

I just want ivtv to change the channel when I ask

[20:16:48]

dtm:

lole

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dtm:

imperfect-: solidarity, brother

[20:17:17]

dtm:

just forget your troubles for today and be gay!

[20:17:28]

imperfect-:

gay fucktards anonymous

[20:17:33]

imperfect-:

Hi, my name is Tim and I'm a gay fucktard.

[20:18:02]

imperfect-:

Also, I hate the _mormons_.

[20:18:14]

imperfect-:

I have no reason for this, but it keeps me warm at night.

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imperfect-:

woot

[20:29:11]

imperfect-:

just deleteing the video sources and reinstalling

[20:29:13]

imperfect-:

it's all good

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Hoxzer:

btw, is it possible to adjust tv-overscan for geforce 2 with nvtv?

[20:32:23]

Hoxzer:

as options like "huge" "small" "medium" are just too small or too big

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Hoxzer:

oh, seems like newest version has somekind of of calc tool for it

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kormoc:

Hoxzer, or you can just set it in your xorg.conf file to any value you'd like (with-in range)

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Hoxzer:

kormoc: only problem is that overscan with xorg.conf file is only supported for nv4 or newer cards

[20:39:49]

kormoc:

ahh, didn't realize that

[20:40:16]

jessejoe:

hey guys, on when loading mythtv i have about a 20 second lag when it's loading MythDVD and MythMusic. Any ideas why that might be?

[20:40:29]

jessejoe:

it really hangs the startup

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imperfect-:

How do I tune to a channel from the guide?

[20:42:05]

imperfect-:

Clicking ok on my remote seems to want me to set up the recroding stuff

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jessejoe:

anyone know how I can get a more verbose output at least?

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Juski:

imperfect-: not sure you can do that. browse mode might be what you want instead

[20:48:08]

Juski:

though the docs say.. " M when on a channel will change to that channel"

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gardengnome:

fsck. the fan for one of the scsi drives in my master backend/server failed. when i tried to unplug it, the whole box shut down.

[20:49:58]

imperfect-:

Juski: Yeah?

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gardengnome:

i can't seem to get much more than 100 days of uptime on this box.

[20:50:14]

imperfect-:

Juski: Is that different from hitting the guide button then?

[20:50:19]

Juski:

imperfect-: so the docs say about the EPG... so yeah

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Juski:

imperfect-: I dunno. depends how your remote has been set up

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imperfect-:

yeah..

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Juski:

might be 'menu'

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imperfect-:

I'm using a MCE remote

[20:50:44]

imperfect-:

yeah

[20:50:46]

imperfect-:

lemme give it a try

[20:51:15]

dorao:

I'm having an issue with the program schedule stopping at midnight tonight...

[20:51:28]

xris:

imperfect-: you'll probably have to remap the keystroke

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Juski:

which remote you have is irrelevant btw... it's all about which keys the remote buttons are bound to by your lircrc file

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imperfect-:

I see.

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dorao:

how do I reload the schedule? or see what is going on?

[20:51:49]

imperfect-:

So I'm trying to get into the EPG instead of just PG ?

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Juski:

EPG == electronic programme guide == programme guide

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imperfect-:

okay

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imperfect-:

So it's all the same thing..

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imperfect-:

i thought it mean enhanced or soemthing

[20:53:21]

imperfect-:

yeah

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imperfect-:

play and okay both do the same thing

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dorao:

hmmm

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imperfect-:

Do we know which keystroke I should be trying to map?

[20:55:54]

dorao:

anybody else experiencing problems with no guide data being downloaded from zap2it?

[20:56:32]

xris:

imperfect-: not a clue

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jessejoe:

is it normal for there to be a big space between registering mythdvd and mythmusic at startup?

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jieryn:

mythtv++

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Juski:

imperfect-: something you could try... quit out of mythfrontend, then run irw and press each button in turn. make a note of which button prints whatever... then look in ~/.mythtv/lircrc for clues

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Juski:

but – I dunno if that relates to MCE remotes or any other USB remote

[21:00:56]

jessejoe:

i used the verbose option and heres the big space:

[21:01:06]

jessejoe:

2006-07–06 16:59:10.782 Clearing Settings Cache.

[21:01:09]

jessejoe:

2006-07–06 16:59:32.154 MSqlQuery: SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'MusicLocation' AND hostname = 'Koerner';

[21:01:24]

jessejoe:

anyone know why there's 22 seconds between those 2?

[21:01:36]

Juski:

jessejoe: a hell of a lot of queries there

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Juski:

oops

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jessejoe:

lol, well i boiled it down to my last comment

[21:02:16]

jessejoe:

i dont think i could go any further with my debugging

[21:02:24]

Juski:

-v all ?

[21:02:30]

jessejoe:

yeah, thats what i did

[21:02:46]

jessejoe:

i copied the interesting part of it

[21:02:56]

jessejoe:

i dunno why there's such a long space between the 2

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jessejoe:

do u guys know if the first command is taking a long time, or the second one?

[21:05:08]

kormoc:

how much free memory do you have?

[21:05:22]

jessejoe:

1.5gig total

[21:05:31]

kormoc:

free?

[21:05:58]

jessejoe:

before myth is running?

[21:06:03]

jessejoe:

or while?

[21:06:05]

kormoc:

while myth is running

[21:06:49]

jessejoe:

968xxxk free

[21:07:23]

kormoc:

so plenty

[21:07:27]

jessejoe:

yeah

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jessejoe:

its something with the mythmusic, because even when i get into mythtv everything is zippy except when i go to the mythmusic preferences it hangs again

[21:08:08]

kormoc:

well, given it logs before it runs the command, it's that clear cache that's taking up the time, which usually happens when memory is swapped, hence why I asked how much is free

[21:08:17]

kormoc:

ahh, mythmusic is always slow

[21:08:51]

Juski:

it's a damn sight faster than it used to be in 0.18 though :-)

[21:08:55]

jessejoe:

but i dont even have anything in my music directory, and it would be slow just going to the setup for it?

[21:09:04]

jessejoe:

and hanging up the startup?

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bootleg:

i have mythtv working, and lircd (when i run irw i get output from my haup remote) i also have the lircrc file in /home/low/.mythtv/lircrc full permissions but mythtv doesnt budge with my remote – i even have irxevent running... any ideas?

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jessejoe:

kormoc, any other ideas? :o)

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jessejoe:

is it normal to get "Eabling Settings Cache" "Clearing Setting Cache" and "Disabling Settings Cache" all over the place?

[21:17:16]

kormoc:

donno :/

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Hoxzer:

has somebody here installed nvtv with BT/CX calc?

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Beirdo:

howdy, russellb_

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Beirdo:

Hmmm, I wonder if I can tell mplayer to use a specific timeout on MMS:// connections

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Juski:

lirc seems to take an _eternity_ to start.. prolly cos it doesn't support this hardware _yet_

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Beirdo:

I hate my ISP

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libolt:

I have setup transcoding profiels for High, Medium and low quality recordings as well as autodetect from mpeg-2. However whenever mythtv transcodes anything captured with my PVR150s, it completely ignores my transcoding profiles no matter which one I select for that particular show

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libolt:

Where should I look to try and correct this problem?

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xris:

libolt: define "ignore"

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xris:

"doesn't transcode at all" or "picks one randomly" or "always uses X"

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D-side:

pfeh. i shouldnt have touched it.

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libolt:

xris: it encodes using a really low quality setting that is lower than any of my profiles, since right now I have all the profiles maxed out for quality as a test.

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Beirdo:

f'ing pnm on port 7070, not working

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libolt:

D-side: got the rudelove disease?

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xris:

libolt: you set the quantisation setting down to 0, too?

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D-side:

upgraded to 2.6.16 and ivtv 0.6.3 and while ivtv loads cleanly, no a/v

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D-side:

libolt: haha

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D-side:

libolt: just about.

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Beirdo:

mms on 1755, not working

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** Beirdo beats his ISP with a rubber hose **

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Beirdo:

stop filtering my traffic, bitches!

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D-side:

what can i be forgetting in the kernel config...

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D-side:

ivtv loads cleanly, v4l support is in. i dont get it.

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Juski:

loading the v4l modules okay?

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Juski:

I guess it is, or ivtv wouldn't load... or would it?

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D-side:

yeah.

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xris:

belgian people must be nice. music is so upbeat and happy...

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libolt:

xris: I'm not seeing a setting labeled quantisation under the "Video Compression setting."

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xris:

libolt: not sure what it's called in the ui... basically it's the one where zero is the best.

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xris:

right under bitrate

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D-side:

could it be a tuner problem i wonder

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xris:

there's a min/max associated with it — two sliders

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xris:

those sliders have more control over the resulting file than the bitrate choice does

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libolt:

The options are Maximum quality, minimum quality and max quality difference between frames, the first 2 I have maxed out at 31 since I was trying to get the best quality. I'm assuming I misinterpreted their meaning?

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xris:

libolt: yeah. 31 is low

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xris:

you want zero

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libolt:

alright well that'd make a difference then. I'll reconfigure and give it a trial. Thanks

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xris:

I think the help text there tells you that. if it doesn't, it should.. quantisation is such a confusing thing.

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xris:

setting them to zero will give you huge files, though.. kbps at like 2000 with 0->1 gives you files at like 7000–9000kbps

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libolt:

it just says "Modifying the default may have severe consequences." Not exactly descriptive, the one for mp3 compression however details what the slider does

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D-side:

and... segfault.

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D-side:

afk

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D-side:

actually. brb

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imperfect-:

Anyone know why mplayer wouldn't process VolUp but willprocess VolDown remote keypresses?

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imperfect-:

These key commands work fine in Myth btw

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Juski:

imperfect-: the .lircrc file (notice the dot infront of it)

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imperfect-:

Yeah..

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imperfect-:

What's mythtv/lircrc

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imperfect-:

I just found it actually

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imperfect-:

i fixed it under mythtv

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imperfect-:

but not .lircrc

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imperfect-:

now it works

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imperfect-:

thanks

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kormoc:

.mythtv/lircrc is the myth specific lirc config

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kormoc:

.lircrc is the system wide lircrc file for that user

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xris:

imperfect-: symlinks are good for that kind of thing

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imperfect-:

Yeah

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imperfect-:

I agree.

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imperfect-:

Thanks.

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jieryn:

i have a program being recorded right now, how do i watch it simultaneously?

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jieryn:

i didn't think iw oudl be home in time tow atch it, but now i don't want to wait

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jieryn:

it isn't showing up in my media library

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kormoc:

jieryn, it should, under recorded programs

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imperfect-:

exit

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imperfect-:

exit

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jieryn:

Media Library > Watch Recordings it isn't there

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jieryn:

from a shell, i verify that the program is being recorded and it is still growing in file size

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DrMitch:

maybe you're filtering out the LiveTV shows

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sphery:

jieryn: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequently_A . . . ecordings.3F

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bootleg:

i have mythtv working, and lircd (when i run irw i get output from my haup remote) i also have the lircrc file in /home/low/.mythtv/lircrc full permissions but mythtv doesnt budge with my remote – i even have irxevent running... any ideas?

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jieryn:

sphery: that was it, solved :)

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sphery:

glad you got it

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jimg:

Using nvidia with tv-out, screen off center, tried using the offset but no luck any sugesions

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bootleg:

jimg: you try using nvtv ?

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jimg:

no

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bootleg:

what distro do you have ?

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DrMitch:

anyone use mythdvd?

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jimg:

Fedora

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jimg:

Core 5

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bootleg:

try yum install nvtv

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bootleg:

and just type nvtv from an X session – might have luck with it

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Juski:

omfg! I got minimyth to boot on the s100!

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opello:

woo

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Juski:

I need to tell Pablo to change some stuff in the 1st instance. x wasn't starting because a config variable was different to device sections in xorg.conf

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Juski:

so it boots, but it's slow as a dog

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Juski:

oh fucking lordy! "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext2'"

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

how to keep the kernel small eh..

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opello:

heh

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Juski:

this ain't exactly a quick bootup though :-/

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DrMitch:

hmmm... when configuring mythplugins, ./configure --enable-mythdvd --enable-transcode --enable-vcd returns Transcode support will not be included in MythDVD

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DrMitch:

any ideas why?

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Juski:

DrMitch: because you don't have the transcode libraries & source installed?

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DrMitch:

is that included in the mythplugins source?

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kormoc:

no

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DrMitch:

but i can transcode regular tv shows

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Juski:

that's not the same thing

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Juski:

tv show transcoding is done with mythtranscode

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Juski:

mythtranscode != transcode

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riddlebox:

after a while, it seems like I have to restart my database to set recordings, is there anything I can do to stop that?

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kormoc:

depends on why

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riddlebox:

kormoc, you talking to me?

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kormoc:

aye

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riddlebox:

kormoc, I am not sure why but I will setup a recording, and it will say, not recording, until I restart mythbackend

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kormoc:

that's different then restarting the database

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riddlebox:

I realized it when I said it

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riddlebox:

sorry

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Dagmar:

Ah-ha

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Dagmar:

That reminded me to go look up what "OPTIMIZE TABLE tablename" actually does

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kormoc:

well, you might want to run mythbackend with verbrose all and see if it gives any hints

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Dagmar:

So it _will_ actually free up empty space in the DB files like I suspected it was doing

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DrMitch:

so what program am i looking for for mythdvd transcoding?

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kormoc:

transcode

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kormoc:

http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode

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Juski:

libtranscode... maybe.. libtranscode-dev ... ?

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kormoc:

Juski, that depends on if it links to the libs or just spawns off a child process

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Juski:

ah ok

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Juski:

weird. minimyth is using way more ram than gentoo does

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** Juski googles to find out how much ram the msntv has got **

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kormoc:

free -m ? :P

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GreyFoxx:

128Megs

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: do you swap or not?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't have a swap partition

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Juski:

and I'm guessing the vga takes up some ram.. like maybe 8MB

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GreyFoxx:

Infact I toldthe kernel there wsa only 126 Meg of ram

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Juski:

hmmm. I dunno what's eating the ram here

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Juski:

apart from X... that seems to be getting a lot

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Juski:

Total: 126352 106100 20252

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DrMitch:

ah, it also needed transcoding also needs libdvdread

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Juski:

crap. the ps on this distro is only the busybox one :-/

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Juski:

ooo mythfrontend playing back an mpeg2 recording takes about 74MB. X takes about 41MB. that much for X with no wm ? jees

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Juski:

hmm I think the video driver is stealing ram

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Juski:

hey hey Kelerion

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Kelerion:

hey hey Juski :)

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Kelerion:

am bored... lol

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Kelerion:

just finished moving all my servers up into the loft... and now I don't know what to do with myself.. lol

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Juski:

bored? I'm all like hacking & stuff :-)

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Kelerion:

whatcha hacking on?

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DrMitch:

cellphone

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Juski:

my ickle s100 box again

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Kelerion:

ahh :)

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Juski:

fiddling with minimyth

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Kelerion:

hows it going?

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Juski:

also still drooling over the case badges I received today: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/images/badges.png

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Juski:

going quite well apart from ram being eaten like a bastard

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Kelerion:

oooh.. .for luglive?

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Kelerion:

oh your boxes?

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Juski:

aye

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Kelerion:

ahh

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Dagmar:

Those do look very pimp

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Juski:

I might get more done if I'm feeling generous

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Kelerion:

whats that looking about?

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Kelerion:

looks very free speech'ish

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Juski:

about £0.70 each for 10

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Kelerion:

thats not bad

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Juski:

send a jpg and some money to a nice fella in scotland :-)

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Kelerion:

how many did you get?

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Kelerion:

ahhh.. those scots do have a purpose then :P

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Juski:

10

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Juski:

oo now I have 16MB free (ish)

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Dagmar:

There's actually multiple places that will do it

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Dagmar:

...so if you're not in Scotland, you're not out of luck. Do some Googling for "custom case badges"

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Juski:

and X is only taking 16MB now..

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Kelerion:

I didn't know they were that cheap to get actually

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Juski:

for big numbers there are much cheaper places

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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Juski:

not many places deal in tens though ;-)

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Dagmar:

The *worst* I've seen was a place that would do them for $4 for a single one, but if you're willing to spend $20 you can get 10–30 of them just about anywhere

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Dagmar:

The $4 one was with foil and all sorts of silliness

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Juski:

but hey an OSS badge without a stupid penguin on it ;-)

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Dagmar:

A few places sell kits with pre-cut paper to run through your color printer and adhesive "pillow" faces to stick on top

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Juski:

yeh? interesting

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I was looking into making some that said "pwned @ phreaknic" a few years back to give people who were careless on the red LAN

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Dagmar:

...since some guys looked _really_ crestfallen when their poorly secured machine got compromised

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evilbuny:

what's the cheapest USB IR transmitter that works with linux/myth?

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Dagmar:

Turned out it was easier/cheaper/more-effective to just use beer.

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

one more reboot & I'll see how I'm doing with free ram...

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Dagmar:

evilbuny: Just look at the compatibility list on lirc's page and see if you can even find any for sale

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