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Tuesday, July 4th, 2006, 00:03 UTC

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kayelem:

bizarre... got the remote working again; had to change DEVICE="/dev/input/event2" to "event3"

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kayelem:

the remote had moved after a reboot...

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xris:

schtinky: you need to scan for channels for QAM in mythtv-setup rather than using zap2it (set that up afterwards)

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xris:

riddlebox: in redhat, it's chkconfig... ubuntu has some other tool, but generally it's just adding the proper symlinks in /etc/rc*

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xris:

er, /etc/rc*.d/

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xris:

which would be /etc/rc.d/*

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qfx:

any mythweb users around?

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Achew22:

tons...

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Achew22:

gfx: xris wrote a lot of it

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qfx:

really? cool.

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qfx:

Im getting a blank screen :(

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qfx:

I guess it's no suprise that authors would hang out here

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NeTTwerk_:

hm.

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NeTTwerk_:

does anyone have any advice for how to deal with this?:

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NeTTwerk_:

ivtv0: loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (262144 bytes)

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NeTTwerk_:

ivtv0 warning: Encoder mailbox not found

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NeTTwerk_:

ivtv0 warning: Decoder mailbox not found

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NeTTwerk_:

ivtv0: Error locating firmware.

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NeTTwerk_:

ivtv0: Error -12 on initialization

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NeTTwerk_:

ivtv: probe of 0000:02:00.0 failed with error -12

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qfx:

what distribution? Sounds like the firmware youi're using is wrong, there are good instructions at IVTV.org

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NeTTwerk_:

hmm.. fedora core 5,

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NeTTwerk_:

2.6.17 with ivtv 0.7.0

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qfx:

I'm guessing it's not very stable

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qfx:

I'm using 0.4.6 i think, and it's quite stable, but my kernel version is also much lower

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NeTTwerk_:

hmm.

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NeTTwerk_:

chunking through the code...

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linux2:

can anyone help me with setting up mythtv-backend on my server

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chugggs:

are the guide updates down ?

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linux2:

chugggs, no they just aren't helping

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linux2:

no matter what i do

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linux2:

mythfilldatabase says Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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Anduin:

linux2: So, why can't mythfilldatabase connect to your DB?

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linux2:

Anduin, because the user mythtv doesn't exist

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chugggs:

linux2: sorry .. that was my question to the group. and .. nm Ive fixed it.

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Anduin:

linux2: And why is that?

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linux2:

and i have no idea how to set that up

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linux2:

chugggs, o. lol

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Anduin:

linux2: Use an installation guide.

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linux2:

Anduin, i have

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linux2:

but none explain just how to do a backend

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Anduin:

linux2: Use a better one.

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GreyFoxx:

linux. You appear to have skipped the step for setting up the database

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linux2:

someone link me to a good install guide

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linux2:

cause all the ones i tried really sucked

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chugggs:

linux2: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/

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chugggs:

thats the standard on for Fedora core installs

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** GreyFoxx just used the install instructions from the mythtv.org site **

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linux2:

im on debian

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LoneShadow:

linux2: incase you want to check out ubuntu's guide http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html

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linux2:

anyone know the command to make a blank database

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tims:

i am trying to setup mythweb, but i get the following error. I followed the isntructions like it says to no avail... any ideas? "The database environment variables are not correctly set in the included .htaccess file. Please read through the comments included in the file and set up the db_* environment variables correctly. Some possible solutions are to make sure that mod_env is enabled in httpd.conf"

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Anduin:

tims: Did you check?

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linux2:

how do you set the password mythfilldatabase uses?

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Anduin:

linux2: It reads it from the same place everything else does.

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tims:

anduin: yep, as far as i know

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Anduin:

(~/.mythtv/mysql.txt being the primary place)

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chugggs:

linux2: its in mythtv-setup

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tims:

anduin, file is there (under user mythtv, with correct username and pass (mysql -mythtv -p works)

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Anduin:

tims: Yeah, that wasn't for you. You have the right AllowOverride for your mythweb directory?

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tims:

in <Directory /> yes (thats what the README says anyway)

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chugggs:

linux2: lookup this up "mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql"

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tims:

if i have garbage inside httpd.conf should i bomb out when i restart? maybe im editing the wrong httpd.conf (im running debian and editing /usr/local/apache2/conf/httpd.conf) i compiled apache (httpd 2.2.2) myself

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linux2:

chugggs, that file doesn't exist on the server

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Anduin:

tims: How different from what is in the README does your Directory entry look?

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chugggs:

linux2: how about mythtv.sql

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tims:

just says to put AllowOverride All in the <Directory /> spot

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linux2:

chugggs, nope

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Anduin:

tims: Yes, apache is picky about the config file (though depending on how you start it you may not notice, other than httpd not running)

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linux2:

chugggs, can you send me the file

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linux2:

can anyone send me the file

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tims:

well i put in garbe randomly on a line fjdlksjf'dskfl; and it restarted without any errors

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tims:

*garbage

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Anduin:

tims: I don't debian, but that doesn't seem right

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tims:

well i compiled apache – didnt use the debian package

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Anduin:

linux2: Did you install from source or packages?

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Anduin:

tims: So even more room for error is what you are saying?

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tims:

yep

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linux2:

Anduin, packages

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linux2:

and i cannot download the source directly to my server

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linux2:

because the mythtv website uses some php script to link to files

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Anduin:

linux2: You can grab mc.sql from svn.mythtv.org

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RandomDude15:

Leadtek TV2000XP RM PCI Interface Tuner Card with Remote Control – what do you guys think of that card?

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tims:

randomdude: ive tried getting that card to work for months to no avail

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tims:

Hauppauge pvr250 alot easier (but more $)

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RandomDude15:

hmm.

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RandomDude15:

it got good reviews on newegg

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Anduin:

If you give up the 150 is cheaper.

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chugggs:

linux2: try here /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.18.1/database/mc.sql

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RandomDude15:

one person wrote Works with Mythtv in linux. The picture quality is great in TVTIME but not as nice for Mythtv. The audio quality for recordings is rather poor, but fine for live tv. This price for DVR abilities is a great value.

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xris:

tims: not to mention hard to find... they don't make it anymore

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tims:

randomdude: not for linux though i bet – heh

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xris:

RandomDude15: software encoder card?

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RandomDude15:

not sure

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RandomDude15:

heres the link to it on newegg

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RandomDude15:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814122221

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xris:

at that price, definitely

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xris:

cheap card, you get what you pay for

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RandomDude15:

I can set it to change tv channels on the cable box within the computer with this card though right?

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linux2:

Database error was:

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linux2:

Table 'mythconverg.videosource' doesn't exist

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linux2:

i keep getting that

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linux2:

no matter what

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linux2:

i ran the mc.sql

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linux2:

its only 5 lines

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tims:

random: not if its digital i wouldnt think so

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RandomDude15:

Ports In 1 RF, S-video, composite, phone jack for IR sensor

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RandomDude15:

hmmm...

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xris:

linux2: mc.sql creates the database. mythtv does everything else the first time you run it

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qfx:

tims: I don't suppose you ran across this error in your error_log at any point?

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qfx:

[Mon Jul 03 19:05:12 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] PHP Notice: Undefined index: PATH_INFO in /srv/www/htdocs/mythweb/includes/init.php on line 37

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xris:

qfx: that's a notice, not an error

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qfx:

Right you are, sorry, next line: [client 127.0.0.1] PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function posix_getpwuid() in /srv/www/htdocs/mythweb/includes/init.php on line 261

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linux2:

xris, buts its not work. i always get that error

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xris:

linux2: then something else is going on.. like you're connecting to a different db or something

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xris:

qfx: sounds like php isn't compiled with posix support

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Anduin:

or the db is in some funky half state

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xris:

yeah.

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xris:

linux2: go into mysql and run: DROP DATABASE mythconverg;

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xris:

then rerun mc.sql

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qfx:

xris: the CVS version works, but only with the CVS version of the back-end, unfortunately my xbox front-end doesn't work with CVS backend.

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qfx:

Is there a way I can re-compile php with posix support?

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xris:

qfx: cvs is REALLY old

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Anduin:

linux2: mc.sql won't erase an existing database

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qfx:

xris: of the bankend?

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xris:

qfx: of anything related to mythtv

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xris:

we stopped using cvs before .19 came out

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qfx:

Oh, OK, well I did a make && make install from the tar linked from the home page. Before that I'd done a CVS that gave me 19.2 I believe, the problem I had with that was that it stated it was protocol 30

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xris:

qfx: svn != cvs

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** qfx shakes his head in shame **

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qfx:

sorry, I should have noticed, I have been working between 2 or 3 projects trying to sort it all out

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qfx:

xris: should I try to recompile php then?

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xris:

qfx: what distro?

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qfx:

Suse

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xris:

can't just get it with yum?

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qfx:

Hmmm... potentially. I suppose the package is going to be php-posix ?

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xris:

should be built into php

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qfx:

I don't seriously expect people to know the package names to everything ;)

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linux2:

ok i ran it

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linux2:

and no it thinks there is no database at all

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tims:

phew – got mythweb somewhat working, i think it has to do with my dir structure, i set a symlink to mythplugs/mythweb/ where mythweb.php is found. It launches that fine, but all the links are broken, it is trying to get to mythweb/tv/list which actually should be mythweb/themes/default/tv/list ...

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xris:

tims: read the .htaccess

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xris:

it uses mod_rewrite to handle all of that stuff

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linux2:

Table 'mythconverg.videosource' doesn't exist

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linux2:

same error

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linux2:

over and over and over and over again

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xris:

linux2: so you dropped the db, reran mc.sql to create it and then mythtv-setup gets that error?

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linux2:

yep

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xris:

with .19?

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djohnson:

Hmmm... qfx is still here :( Who is actually me

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linux2:

xris, also. mc.sql doesn't do anything. i just runs like 5 lines of code to make the database with no table

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linux2:

tables*

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xris:

linux2: that is correct

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xris:

mythtv itself creates the tables

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linux2:

well it doesn't work

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xris:

do you get the first-run screen that asks for the db name/etc?

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linux2:

it just spazzes out with a ton of useless text and then basically does nothing

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linux2:

yeah

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djohnson:

the script does nothing?

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linux2:

yes it does

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linux2:

it does one thing that you could just type in yourself

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djohnson:

I know what it does, but what's the problem you are having?

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djohnson:

I'm sure Xris is quite capable, but so are the rest of the myth devs

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xris:

linux2: go through everything again... drop database, mc.sql, but run `mythtv-setup -v all`

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xris:

that should give you some debug output

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xris:

you should see it create (or fail to create) the tables

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tims:

xris: .htaccess looks fine inside the directory that mythweb.php is in, i dont see a spot for mod_rewrite however

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djohnson:

mod_rewrite goes in the httpd.conf (or a conf file it calls)

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tims:

ok, added /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rewrite.so above the <directory /var/www/mythweb> restarted apache2 force-reload... still same page not found

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djohnson:

xris: There's a php5-posix package that I'm going to try out. I bet that's where the problem is

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RandomDude15:

what do you guys think of ati tv wonder pro in mythtv?

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xris:

djohnson: cool

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xris:

RandomDude15: the instant you get anywhere near $60 in price, a pvr-150 is your best option.

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RandomDude15:

i have ati tv wonder pro right now

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xris:

software encoders just don't compare... they're all pretty much the same, though

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RandomDude15:

its my current tv card

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RandomDude15:

had it for a year

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xris:

RandomDude15: then your next upgrade should be a pvr-150 or 500, hdtv or firewire.

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RandomDude15:

do you think ati tv wonder pro is ok for myth?

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xris:

RandomDude15: it's at least as good as that $30 card you pointed out earlier.

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xris:

imho all of the software encoder cards suck, though

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RandomDude15:

ok but i want it

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RandomDude15:

to be as good in linux

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RandomDude15:

as it is in windows

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RandomDude15:

its amazing in windows

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xris:

RandomDude15: that's all about the kind of encoding settings you use.

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PaulWay[w]:

Hi alL!

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xris:

look at it in xawtv and it should be "amazing", too

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PaulWay[w]:

Is there a FAQ about nuvexport not showing all my programmes?

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xris:

PaulWay[w]: read nuvexportrc

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xris:

you probably have require_cutlist turned on

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PaulWay[w]:

Aaaaahhhh!

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PaulWay[w]:

Interesting!

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PaulWay[w]:

And yet it's not showing some episodes that I have got a cut list for...

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xris:

PaulWay[w]: what version of mythtv and nuvexport?

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PaulWay[w]:

mythtv 0.19, nuvexport 0.3 20060626 just installed today.

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Dagmar:

RandomDude15: You're not going to have it working as well under Linux because ATI are asshats

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xris:

PaulWay[w]: odd. should work just fine

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PaulWay[w]:

It wouldn't be something to do with using .mpg instead of .nuv extensions now, would it?

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djohnson:

heh, who'd have thunk /quit would quit the whole program

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Dagmar:

RandomDude15: At least nVidia will give us decent binary drivers within a short period of time instead of source

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Dagmar:

djohnson: Did you can get your horoscope with /sign (your sign)? ;)

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Dagmar:

er did you know

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PaulWay[w]:

And alt-F4 will give you four free op commands, too... ;-)

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qfx:

I'm pretty sure /calc 2 + 2 = 5 though

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qfx:

nope, not here

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linux2:

ok it runs

[02:38:40]

linux2:

finally

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linux2:

now time to figure out how well

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xris:

Dagmar: ati tv wonder == tuner card, not video card

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linux2:

actually its kinda stuck

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PaulWay[w]:

At least now the number of frames total is correct, not 10x what it should be...

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linux2:

2006-07–03 22:57:08.052 DataDirect: Your subscription expires on 10/03/2006 09:31:45 PM

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Dagmar:

xris: So they'

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Dagmar:

xris: So they've given out driver source on that?

[02:39:50]

Dagmar:

...or *anything* useful?

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xris:

Dagmar: pretty sure that card is just bttv

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tims:

anyone know why in mythweb – mythweb.php is displayed OK, but all the links are broken? i have mod_rewrite enable in httpd.conf (or atleast it doesnt error out when restarting apache)

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xris:

tims: paste me one of the links

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Dagmar:

Yech. Mono audio.

[02:41:27]

RandomDude15:

will a wintv go plus card be good in myth?

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tims:

http://192.168.2.100/mythweb/tv/list

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xris:

RandomDude15: thought you said that you're already using it.

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xris:

tims: and what SHOULD it look like?

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qfx:

lol

[02:42:21]

xris:

that looks correct to me

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tims:

now i have a mythweb/mythweb.php, but i dont have a mythweb/tv/list file – i have a mythweb/themes/default/tv/list file

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Dagmar:

It works for me.

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RandomDude15:

im thinking of considering another tv card

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RandomDude15:

for mythtv

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qfx:

that page doesn't give anything for me ;)

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xris:

tims: mod_rewrite handles that. EVERYTHING goes through mythweb.php

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linux2:

anyone else having trouble with this....

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linux2:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized

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linux2:

Connecting to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com[206.18.98.160]:80...

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tims:

hmmm

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Dagmar:

RandomDude15: you want a PVR-500. Your life won't be complete without one.

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tims:

anyway i can double check it is loaded ?

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xris:

RandomDude15: if you're going to upgrade your card, get a hardware encoder.

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Dagmar:

linux2: Oddity in the way the script runs. It will always say that once, each round.

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xris:

tims: what error do you get when you try to go to that link

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Dagmar:

linux2: It will, of course, get the thing right the second try

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tims:

i have this loaded LoadModule rewrite_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rewrite.so

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tims:

i get a page cannot be found error

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tims:

normal 404

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xris:

tims: did you restart apache?

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tims:

yep

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linux2:

Dagmar, how many times will it connect there

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linux2:

Dagmar, cause its on 4

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xris:

tims: sounds like it's not working

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xris:

do you have the .htaccess file installed, etc?

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Dagmar:

linux2: I think it pulls the stuff down one day at a time, so, 14... So long as you see that it *is* getting data every other pass you're fine

[02:44:57]

xris:

did you add the AllowOverride stuff like the readme says?

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tims:

yep, i didnt before, but now i get prompted to log in and mythweb.php shows up fine

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Dagmar:

linux2: It'll be running awhile

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linux2:

will it run well on a dual p3 550mhz

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linux2:

cause that is what it is

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linux2:

the server

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xris:

tims: I'm at a loss..

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PaulWay[w]:

tims: Anything in the Apache logs? /var/log/httpd/*_log

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tims:

File does not exist: /var/www/mythweb/tv

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Dagmar:

linux2: You'd better have a hardware-accellerated encoder card

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Dagmar:

...a BTTV card will not cut it with those specs

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RandomDude15:

if I got a PVR 150, could I use the remote on my cable box for mythtv?

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linux2:

Dagmar, i have no idea what the card is. it was free though

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PaulWay[w]:

tims: Shouldn't that be /var/www/html/mythweb?

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PaulWay[w]:

Are you sure you've got it in the right location?

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linux2:

so i tossed it in one of my many servers

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Dagmar:

linux2: And you expect to get this working how?

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tims:

yeah /var/www/mythweb is where mythweb.php is at, i didnt make a html dir

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tims:

there wasnt one there before either, didnt see the point of making it deeper

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Dagmar:

RandomDude15: In what way do those two components have anything in common?

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linux2:

Dagmar, o you just wait. i will run way better than any p4 3.0 ghz ever would

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linux2:

lol

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kormoc:

tims, that would point to mod_rewrite not working

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Dagmar:

linux2: Nope.

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tims:

how come?

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xris:

tims: you're using a symlink, though, right?

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PaulWay[w]:

tims: Is Apache configured to serve your URL from that directory?

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tims:

yes, mythweb.php shows fine

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PaulWay[w]:

I thought the default Apache config (at least for Fedora) was /var/www/html for the root page.

[02:49:31]

Dagmar:

linux2: The documentation is very clear on what the minimum requirements for hardware are. You can't get that to encode the video and be able to keep up.

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kormoc:

tims, cause mythweb/tv would rewrite to the correct php script, as /tv doesn't exist

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RandomDude15:

idk but it has recording options for pausing live tv if I had a DVR on it

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xris:

PaulWay[w]: not in many distros

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PaulWay[w]:

*shrugs*

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linux2:

Dagmar, well i don't care if the tv is live or not

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linux2:

a couple hours behind would be ok with me

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tims:

when i go to http://myip it redirects me to myip/apache2-default – which is in /var/www/apache2-default

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DrMitch:

is there a way I can save the position of the current video playing... I want to save the position so that I can watch TV, then come back and resume at the same spot i left

[02:50:23]

xris:

RandomDude15: are you using digital cable?

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kormoc:

linux2, live tv and recorded tv is the same to myth, and bttv cards will just drop frames to keep up, not buffer and encode later

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Dagmar:

linux2: It does not matter. It can't record without a minimum amount of CPU power

[02:50:52]

Dagmar:

linux2: It will screw up your recording

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xris:

DrMitch: press the spacebar

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RandomDude15:

yes

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xris:

RandomDude15: are you in the US?

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linux2:

Dagmar, well then this is just going to be retarted

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linux2:

lol

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Dagmar:

linux2: What did I say to you not ten minutes ago?

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linux2:

its gonna run like complete crap

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DrMitch:

doh, i changed the play/pause to spacebar, any idea what it's called?

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RandomDude15:

yes

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xris:

RandomDude15: pay for a month to get an HD upgrade and try out firewire.

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kormoc:

tims, sounds like there's something strange with your vhosts

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kormoc:

tims, you sure you only have one setup?

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PaulWay[w]:

DrMitch: If you didn't redefine it in the config, then I think you're SOL.

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linux2:

Dagmar, still the server is quite powerful

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linux2:

Dagmar, would a dual p3 1.0ghz work?

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tims:

you mean for apache?

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Dagmar:

linux2: How about you read the docs about that http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

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kormoc:

linux2, it's not threaded encoding, so really, dual proc won't help much more then a single proc.

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tims:

usr/sbin/apache2 is the only thing that is loaded for in ps -ax | grep apache

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Dagmar:

They're quite clear on the matter.

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kormoc:

linux2, but yeah, a 1 ghz should record okay with only a few minor hickups, but it won't be good quality by any means.

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PaulWay[w]:

kormoc: Isn't there a way, though, that you can say how many jobs you want running simultaneously?

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xris:

DrMitch: probably something containing "position" or "save"

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kormoc:

tims, what does "apache2 -S" say?

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kormoc:

PaulWay[w], you mean via myth (say commflagging and similar) or load avg?

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tims:

wildcard NameVirtualHosts and _default_ servers: *:* is a NameVirtualHost

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tims:

default server localhost.localdomain (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default:2)

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tims:

port * namevhost localhost.localdomain (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default:2)

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tims:

Syntax OK

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PaulWay[w]:

kormoc: Yes, within Myth I thought there was a setup option for how many offline jobs you wanted running simultaneously.

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PaulWay[w]:

But I could be wrong.

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xris:

PaulWay[w]: that has nothing to do with recording, though.. that's transcodes, commercial flagging, etc.

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kormoc:

PaulWay[w], there is, but that won't really help too much if the proc just can't encode in realtime anyway

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PaulWay[w]:

Ah, so his problem is recording in realtime, then.

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PaulWay[w]:

Ah.

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PaulWay[w]:

Use a low-CPU high-bitrate record method, then, and then transcode down later...

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Cardoe:

? alsa

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kormoc:

PaulWay[w], with a bttv card you only have two options (in myth) rtjpeg and mpeg4. Both are rather heavy cpu wise, tho rtjpeg is less so

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Cardoe:

er wrong chan

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PaulWay[w]:

rtjpeg was, I thought, the standard low-CPU high-bandwidth method.

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PaulWay[w]:

Cardoe: Well, that explains that question :-)

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Dagmar:

This is why it's not worth the trouble to use a bttv card

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PaulWay[w]:

kormoc: There's not much other option.

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kormoc:

PaulWay[w], it is the standard low-CPU high-bandwidth method, but it's not /that/ low :P

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PaulWay[w]:

Dagmar: True, when you're only talking analogue.

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Dagmar:

It's like buying a sportscar and telling the dealer "I want the cheapest tires you've got on it. Four spares if you have them."

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PaulWay[w]:

Go DTV. You'll enjoy it.

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tims:

hold up.. whats with this mod-enabled directory ?

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kormoc:

DTV?

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kormoc:

tims, hrm?

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PaulWay[w]:

Ah, sorry, DVB.

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PaulWay[w]:

Digital broadcasting.

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kormoc:

PaulWay[w], ahh, yeah, but that's not bttv (nor software encoding) :P

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PaulWay[w]:

I can record two channels (one off each card) simultaneously and the Athlon 2400 hits a massive 2% CPU time.

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Dagmar:

YAY hardware accellerated cards

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kormoc:

sure, my m179 only uses .5% cpu per stream or so

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PaulWay[w]:

kormoc: Well, if e's going to pay for a new card...

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kormoc:

DVB isn't hardware accellerated, it's just taking the mpeg2 stream direct off of the air to the drive, no encoding at all

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Dagmar:

Either way you don't have to do the encoding on your machine

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PaulWay[w]:

kormoc: Yes, indeedy :-)

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tims:

my /etc/apache2/ dir has a mods-enabled directory

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tims:

thought that might be something i have to mess with

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kormoc:

tims, aye, those are the mods (mod_blah) that are enabled in apache

[03:02:15]

tims:

httpd.conf has no "LoadModule" section which i thought was odd

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tims:

do i need to do something to enable mod_rewrite ?

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PaulWay[w]:

The problem is that you either have CPU time compressing the data, or bus and CPU time pushing uncompressed AV out to disk.

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kormoc:

tims, I have a httpd.conf:278:LoadModule rewrite_module modules/mod_rewrite.so

[03:03:10]

Dagmar:

xris: Almost makes you want to make a binary package for apache to tell people to just use, eh?

[03:03:14]

PaulWay[w]:

tims: Do you have another config file in /etc/httpd/conf.d that loads the module?

[03:03:35]

xris:

Dagmar: dunno. I have one that works.

[03:03:53]

xris:

I had my fill of compiling apache back in my slackware days. PITA. never again.

[03:04:02]

Dagmar:

xris: That's why you script it, man.

[03:04:24]

tims:

when i added that line kormoc and restarted, it actually says mod_rewrite already loaded ... skipping

[03:04:37]

kormoc:

tims, it could be built-in

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Dagmar:

Building something manually just means that you get to break it in six months when you upgrade it and don't remember how you built it in the first place.

[03:05:02]

DrMitch:

if i disable the key edit plugin, will it restore the keybindings back to normal?

[03:05:06]

kormoc:

tims, check "apache2 -l" for the list of built in modules

[03:05:19]

tims:

well, then im at a loss on why its not making the links :) still doesnt seem right to me, i dont have the files it is asking for...

[03:05:20]

kormoc:

tims, or cd /etc/apache;grep -rin mod_rewrite *

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kormoc:

tims, which will show what files have mod_rewrite mentioned in them

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kormoc:

tims, you did setup the allow overrides, right?

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tims:

yep, i have <directory /var/www/mythweb> AllowOverride All </directory> in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf

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tims:

apache2.conf is what loads when i run /etc/init.d/apache2

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tims:

in apache2 -l mod_rewrite isnt listed (as a compiled module) but i do have it in the mods-enabled dir which is prob why it says it is already loaded

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kormoc:

yeah, that would do it

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kormoc:

hrm

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tims:

I also have <directory /> allowoverride all </directory> as well

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kormoc:

tims, could you put in a file in your mythweb dir "<?php phpinfo();?>" and put the output into a pastebin?

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kormoc:

(output via your browser)

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tims:

sure – 1 sec

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xris:

tims: that won't help

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qfx:

xris: Thanks for your pointer. I got it to work now. After I got php5-posix there was a matter of fixing my database permissions, setting wwwrun to have write on Data (I had blown away my old one and missed this step) and that's it

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kormoc:

tims, the second allow overrides won't help, the phpinfo might :)

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xris:

qfx: cool

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xris:

tims: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . eb/.htaccess and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . thweb/README

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tims:

im trying to use pastebin... its just sitting there after i hit submit

[03:11:17]

qfx:

xris: Did you have anything to do with making mythweb?

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xris:

qfx: for about the last 3 years, all of it.

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Achew22:

qfx: xris is the god of mythweb

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qfx:

If you lived in Vancouver I'd buy you a beer

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qfx:

or if you don't drink a coke

[03:12:30]

Achew22:

you could mail him either one

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xris:

qfx: which vancouver? WA or BC?

[03:12:49]

xris:

(fyi, I'm about halfway between the two)

[03:12:49]

qfx:

xris BC

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PaulWay[w]:

The One True Vancouver :-)

[03:13:17]

Achew22:

xris do you have a donation via paypal or something like that button?

[03:13:24]

qfx:

lol. Well Xris, is there a way I can paypal you a 5?

[03:13:30]

xris:

Achew22: hidden... forevermore.net/donations.pp

[03:13:32]

xris:

er, php

[03:13:36]

qfx:

(at least enough for a beer)

[03:13:40]

xris:

qfx: giant microbe would be better than paypal.

[03:13:45]

xris:

money feels so cheap

[03:13:46]

Achew22:

buy his wife a shiny stone

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PaulWay[w]:

xris: So you're the author of nuvexport?!

[03:13:51]

xris:

yup

[03:13:52]

PaulWay[w]:

Thankyouthankyouthankyou!

[03:13:55]

xris:

lol

[03:14:00]

xris:

my two great contributions to mythtv

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PaulWay[w]:

We worship!

[03:14:20]

PaulWay[w]:

MythWeb is absolutely essential to me.

[03:14:55]

xris:

ok, typos aside.. http://forevermore.net/donations.php

[03:15:01]

tims:

xris: something was wrong in the .htaccess, i overwrote what i had with the link you sent and it seems to be running now :)

[03:15:14]

xris:

I should edit that to have more than yeast.. I already have 3 of those.

[03:15:19]

tims:

paulway: mythstream is essential to me

[03:15:21]

xris:

tims: cool

[03:15:29]

Achew22:

xris: the most amazing thing is that your still helping in the channel. your a good dev

[03:15:31]

tims:

thx a lot

[03:15:32]

xris:

tims: you don't mean mythstreamtv?

[03:15:38]

tims:

yes that

[03:15:51]

xris:

that'll go away soon for good, hopefully.

[03:15:55]

tims:

why ?

[03:16:03]

xris:

because I'm integrating the stuff into mythweb

[03:16:12]

xris:

no more vlc crap

[03:16:24]

tims:

ah, you on the mythweb / mythtv team ?

[03:16:30]

Achew22:

tims: he is the team

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xris:

what he said

[03:16:36]

tims:

oh...

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** tims bows **

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Achew22:

xris: by the way — how is that comming

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xris:

actually, there's a summer of code intern, too

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xris:

he's been helping a lot lately

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xris:

Achew22: put on hold while I redo the search page

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PaulWay[w]:

I was wondering about that.

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xris:

and the perl bindings, and some for-pay work, and .....

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PaulWay[w]:

Can I add my AUD0.02: don't go overboard with the AJAX stuff.

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tims:

ive been trying to get my winfast2000 working for the last month, eventually gave up on it, and went back to getting my pvr 250 working on a new mobo and realized how much pain i went through the first time around – heh

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tims:

after i get mythstream i think my mission will be somewhat complete

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PaulWay[w]:

I developed a site with a friend and, after I'd got the entire site working, he redesigned everything to do AJAX queries and rewrite the page in Javascript.

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tims:

mythstreamtv* sorry :)

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PaulWay[w]:

It was really ugly.

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PaulWay[w]:

Rewriting large swathes of page contents in Javascript is stupid.

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qfx:

xris, can I msg you quickly?

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xris:

um, yes...

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PaulWay[w]:

Just my opinion...

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[Ex0r]:

LoneShadow, you here ?

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nesagwa:

can i ask about ivtv here?

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[Ex0r]:

im back from work and that make caused an error

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[Ex0r]:

cannot find -lqt-mt

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tims:

well – thanks for everyone's help, bed time for me

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kormoc:

PaulWay[w], like all programming, it depends on how it's done. it can be pretty and useful or it can be ugly

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C12C:

Has anyone seen anything odd with airdates using 0.19?

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kormoc:

PaulWay[w], and there should always be a html only interface, afaik

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C12C:

Failing that, is there a way to view the raw feed from zap2it?

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PaulWay[w]:

kormoc: Both good points.

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** xris goes to find dinner. **

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PaulWay[w]:

Fortunately, Google know how to do good AJAX from what I see...

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qfx:

later everyone.

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PaulWay[w]:

xris: Good hunting!

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[Ex0r]:

anyone here know why I can't configure xmltv for us ?

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kormoc:

[Ex0r], while this doesn't answer your question, in the US, you should just use zap2it

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linux2:

can anyone help me with connecting to a backend

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linux2:

i have the frontend on this comp

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linux2:

and the backend on 192.168.1.155

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linux2:

im on 192.168.2.100

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[Ex0r]:

kormoc, the guide i got earlier said to use xmltv. How do I install zap2it ?

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linux2:

so do i have to add a grant all to mythtv mysql user

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kormoc:

[Ex0r], http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.3

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C12C:

Is there a way to view the raw feed from zap2it?

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PaulWay[w]:

linux2: What's your netmask?

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linux2:

PaulWay[w], 255.255.255.128

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[Ex0r]:

kormoc, I went there. All it says is to create an account on zap2it. This i've already done. There's not software I have to install ?

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PaulWay[w]:

Yeah, that's going to be your problem.

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kormoc:

[Ex0r], nope, myth can talk direct to zap2it

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linux2:

PaulWay[w], i can ssh to the machine fine

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PaulWay[w]:

linux2: Have you a router that routes between the two subnets?

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linux2:

yeah

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PaulWay[w]:

Because as far as your frontend is concerned, your backend is on a different subnet altogether.

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linux2:

the servers are on one router

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linux2:

and this is off of that router

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PaulWay[w]:

OK, if you've got a router then that's taken care of.

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PaulWay[w]:

Next: what about iptables or other firewall rules for ports 3306 and 5432?

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kormoc:

linux2, might be easier if you can put the slave router in switch mode, so there's only one subnet/router/dhcp server

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linux2:

PaulWay[w], no firewalls

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linux2:

kormoc, can't there is no slave mode

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PaulWay[w]:

OK, what does etheral tell you?

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linux2:

its a linksys

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PaulWay[w]:

ethereal.

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kormoc:

linux2, sad. the older linksys' did

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linux2:

kormoc, well its a wireless b one

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linux2:

im on wired though

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linux2:

so might be old enough

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linux2:

just had a horrible ui

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kormoc:

the web ui?

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linux2:

PaulWay[w], well nmap shows them open

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linux2:

yeah

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PaulWay[w]:

So what's happening?

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linux2:

well its all open

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linux2:

the backend isn't running though

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linux2:

it asks me to setup the first page of the general config

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linux2:

where is that

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PaulWay[w]:

When you start the front end, that should appear first.

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linux2:

PaulWay[w], iok. i will have to go to the server room and go to it

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linux2:

hang on one sec

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PaulWay[w]:

You'll also have to tell the backend that it's on 192.168.1.155 rather than 127.0.0.1 in its own mythsetup.

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PaulWay[w]:

linux2: The settings for the front end are per-machine rather than all together.

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PaulWay[w]:

So you have to configure your remote front end separately from your server's front end.

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[Ex0r]:

kormoc, alright, so where do I setup my zap2it configuration ?

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kormoc:

[Ex0r], mythtv-setup

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[Ex0r]:

thought so

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[Ex0r]:

er.. i cant compile from source either

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[Ex0r]:

blast it all to hell

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kormoc:

[Ex0r], mythtv-setup is a program

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[Ex0r]:

qkeysequence.cpp ?

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kormoc:

huh?

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[Ex0r]:

qkeysequence.h rather

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[Ex0r]:

getting that error when trying to compile mythtvplugins

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linux2:

QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket

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linux2:

2006-07–04 00:01:14.506 Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting.

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Achew22:

your already running a copy of myth

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Achew22:

ps aux | grep mythbackend

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linux2:

it still won't connect

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linux2:

Achew22, yeah i figured that out right away. kill it

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linux2:

killed*

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Achew22:

pkill?

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linux2:

killall mythbackend

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[Ex0r]:

isn't it myth-backend ?

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linux2:

not here

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Achew22:

no

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kormoc:

not usually

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linux2:

ok so finally

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Achew22:

did you rename yours?

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linux2:

the last thing. connecting to mysql to run the frontend on this comp

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[Ex0r]:

nope, that's how my service starts. /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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kormoc:

sure, but it still starts mythbackend

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linux2:

Database error was:

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linux2:

Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.155' (111)

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kormoc:

the name of the init.d script isn't always the name of the process it starts

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[Ex0r]:

so anyways, anyone know what that error means ?

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linux2:

kinda not a useful error

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kormoc:

linux2, you likely need to give permissions to myth@'192.168.%' or similar

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[Ex0r]:

include -I/usr/share/qt3/include -o action.o action.cpp

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[Ex0r]:

action.cpp:28:26: error: qkeysequence.h: No such file or directory

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[Ex0r]:

that's the error

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kormoc:

[Ex0r], do you have the qt-dev (or qt-devel or similar) package installed?

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[Ex0r]:

yeah

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kormoc:

[Ex0r], well, there's two options. it's not there, or it's there but you're not giving the proper path for it to find it

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[Ex0r]:

qt3-dev-tools ?

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tanthrix:

I'm getting some prebuffering pauses on my new frontend box

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tanthrix:

According to top X is using around 54 percent of my CPU while mythfrontend is using 41.4

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PaulWay[w]:

tanthrix: What type of graphics display do you have?

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tanthrix:

1 GHz system with 512MB of ram – Is that normal-ish or is something wrong?

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tanthrix:

Geforce2 MX

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PaulWay[w]:

And what options do you have set in mythtv for display?

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PaulWay[w]:

Are you using OpenGL or XvMC?

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tanthrix:

GL with vertical sync enabled

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kormoc:

what nvidia driver version?

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tanthrix:

7676

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PaulWay[w]:

It'll be legacy.

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nesagwa:

can someone help me with installing IVTV? i cant get libconfig-inifiles-perl or libvideo-ivtv-perl from the ubuntu repositories listed on the wiki

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tanthrix:

Indeed, but I had troubles with newer drivers and this one has always worked great on my backend system

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PaulWay[w]:

Support for GeForce 2 cards is only in legacy now...

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tanthrix:

(Backend and front end, not just backend)

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PaulWay[w]:

That's fine. It works fine.

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PaulWay[w]:

What type of video are you playing?

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linux3:

anyone know?

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tanthrix:

It's a recorded show streaming from the backend box

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[Ex0r]:

haha, I found a .deb of mythtv-0.19 on apt

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PaulWay[w]:

I believe the GeForce 2 doesn't offer MPEG2 decoding...

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linux3:

cannot see mysql running when i nmap 192.168.1.155

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kormoc:

PaulWay[w], hence why to ask, if he was running a newer version, it could cause issues

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linux3:

but can when i nmap localhost

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kormoc:

PaulWay[w], it doesn't

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PaulWay[w]:

kormoc: Not disagreeing :-)

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tanthrix:

I've got a Geforce4MX coming in the mail

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kormoc:

linux3, edit your my.cnf and make sure you don't have a line like skip-networking or bind 127.0.0.1

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tanthrix:

I know the GF2 is an older card but it still seems more CPU intensive than it should be

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tanthrix:

The prebuffering pauses aren't bad and mainly happen at the beginning, it's not too noticable

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dtm:

tanthrix: it's not a geforce 4 440mx that you ordered, is it?

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dtm:

tanthrix: coz that's virtually identical to geforce 2

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dtm:

confusingly

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dtm:

i have one

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tanthrix:

Well, it supports overscan on TV out while the GF2 doesn't, so that's why I got it

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linux3:

kormoc, thanks

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tanthrix:

In any case, kormoc,PaulWay – is something amiss or is this what you would expect?

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PaulWay[w]:

Is this raw MPEG2 you're playing, or MPEG4, or something else, tanthrix

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PaulWay[w]:

?

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tanthrix:

MPEG2

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PaulWay[w]:

Hmmm.

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tanthrix:

It was my understanding that MPEG2 isn't that intensive to decode

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kormoc:

tanthrix, honestly, a 1 ghz playing mpeg2 with a geforce 2, and I'm assuming resizing and all that... it seems slightly high to me, but not really beyond belief

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PaulWay[w]:

Yeah, I'm a little surprised.

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PaulWay[w]:

But, as kormoc says, not that surprised.

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PaulWay[w]:

I'm surprised X is so high – I think that maybe the chief problem.

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PaulWay[w]:

How fast does glxgears go fullscreen?

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kormoc:

that would point towards Xv not being used very much

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PaulWay[w]:

I'm wondering of OpenGL is loaded.

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tanthrix:

Mythfrontend is using 53 percent just to play the "preview"

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C12C:

Is there a way to get mythfilldatabase to dump to a file instead of updating the db?

[03:56:14]

tanthrix:

X is down to 6 percent

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linux4:

Host '192.168.1.135' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server

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PaulWay[w]:

If he's using OpenGL but it doesn't have the GL card drivers loaded it'll go like a dog.

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linux4:

how do i fix that?

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PaulWay[w]:

linux4: In your mysql configuration file...

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kormoc:

linux4, give it permissions in the grant statement

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PaulWay[w]:

kormoc: I thought that would be the mysql server rather than the individual user connecting...

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tanthrix:

Glxgears at full screen is using 1.3 percent cpu, X is not even registering, and I'm getting 60FPS due to v-sync

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kormoc:

the server only has settings for skip-networking and bind (least that's my understanding)

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kormoc:

tanthrix, glxinfo shows a using the nvidia driver?

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[Ex0r]:

w00t, I got it installed :)

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PaulWay[w]:

Yay!

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tanthrix:

Mplayer playing divx3 is using 13 percent, X using 30

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tanthrix:

One sec, I didn't check that

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linux4:

kormoc, in the config file?

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linux4:

where is it

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tanthrix:

How do I tell which driver it's using?

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linux4:

i don't see it

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PaulWay[w]:

And is mplayer using GL textures?

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kormoc:

linux4, not in the config file, it's in the docs...

[03:59:29]

PaulWay[w]:

mplayer -vo gl or mplayer -vo gl2

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tanthrix:

I would assume that it is though because I enabled vertical sync with nvidia-settings

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[Ex0r]:

does mythtv-backend let you broadcast your channels through the internet ? or only through local network ?

[04:00:03]

tanthrix:

I'll try using mplayer with gl, one sec

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kormoc:

[Ex0r], it doesn't really care, but it uses a ton of bandwidth

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PaulWay[w]:

tanthrix: Not necessarily. In its output you can find what video driver it was using.

[04:00:22]

[Ex0r]:

2006-07–04 00:00:14.065 DataDirect: Your subscription expires on 10/03/2006 03:30:56 AM my terminal locked up at this. can I close it ?

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PaulWay[w]:

[Ex0r]: Sure, open your mysql and mythtv ports up to the internet and try it :-)

[04:00:56]

[Ex0r]:

can't yet, no video capture card :)

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tanthrix:

Oooo, interesting. Using GL makes mplayer jump up to 76 percent

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[Ex0r]:

just getting it installed and setup

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kormoc:

linux4, http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

[04:01:15]

PaulWay[w]:

It uses four metric shitloads of bandwidth for most programmes, though...

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kormoc:

linux4, under Modifying access to the MySQL database for multiple systems

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kormoc:

[Ex0r], it's likely not locked up, just doing calculations

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PaulWay[w]:

Even in ultra-low-quality you'll need a fast outgoing connection to stream it.

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linux4:

kormoc grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@192.168.1.135 identifuled by "password";

[04:02:22]

kormoc:

linux4, that could work, and remember to "flush privileges;"

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tanthrix:

So since using GL makes the CPU go way up does that mean it's my video card that is causing the trouble?

[04:02:57]

kormoc:

tanthrix, would venture to guess so

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[Ex0r]:

kormoc, it kept looping through the same thing over and over again

[04:03:27]

tanthrix:

Weird – I thought the whole point of GL is that the video card shoulders the burden, not the CPU

[04:03:29]

kormoc:

[Ex0r], it will, 14 times or so

[04:03:42]

kormoc:

[Ex0r], it's getting guide data for the next 14 days, one day at a time

[04:03:53]

[Ex0r]:

ah, i see :)

[04:04:08]

[Ex0r]:

and I suppose the error 'all available inputs are used' is because I don't have a tv-tuner card ?

[04:04:19]

kormoc:

aye

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[Ex0r]:

seems like you could still go in and mess around with the menus and stuff

[04:05:04]

kormoc:

should be able to

[04:05:09]

kormoc:

just shouldn't be able to enter live-tv

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[Ex0r]:

tells me that error as soon as I get in

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[Ex0r]:

when I hit ok it closes

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kormoc:

strange

[04:05:28]

C12C:

Does anyone know how to dump the zap2it feeds to file?

[04:05:39]

kormoc:

it used to work fine without a input

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tanthrix:

kormoc,Paul: Any thoughts on why X would jump up so high with mythfrontend but not mplayer?

[04:05:57]

kormoc:

C12C, get the info direct from zap2it? there's instructions in the forum

[04:06:07]

[Ex0r]:

it says something about go into the delete menu to delete live-tv feeds, etc, but than it closes

[04:06:11]

kormoc:

tanthrix, did you try mplayer-fs (to emulate the resizing?)

[04:06:18]

tanthrix:

Though, one was mpeg2 and one was divx3, I should probably compare mpeg2 to mpeg2 to be more accurate

[04:06:24]

tanthrix:

No, I just did mplayer -vo gl

[04:06:40]

kormoc:

tack on -fs to get it to full screen and test that

[04:06:44]

C12C:

kormoc: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/ ?

[04:06:59]

kormoc:

C12C, no. labs.zap2it.com, log in and under the forums

[04:07:27]

tanthrix:

75 percent CPU with -gl -fs on div3

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PaulWay[w]:

My only other thought is DMA access to the hard drives, but that wouldn't show up as X process time.

[04:07:51]

kormoc:

is it resizing?

[04:08:00]

kormoc:

or is it black-bordered?

[04:08:01]

PaulWay[w]:

In fs it has to, doesn't it?

[04:08:17]

kormoc:

cause if there's a black border, I think you need -zoom as well

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dmz:

anyone here use pvr500?

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tanthrix:

Crazy, doing mpeg2 makes mplayer jump up to 95 percent

[04:09:10]

** [Ex0r] is going to order the pvr150 for 79.99 at my local store soon **

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tanthrix:

No black border

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kormoc:

tanthrix, yeah, hopefully your geforce 4 will help out. I tend to recommend a 6200+ and say 5200+ min.

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PaulWay[w]:

tanthrix: Maybe your mpeg2lib is bad or something?

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PaulWay[w]:

I don't know.

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kormoc:

perhaps, but it should show up as corruptions or what not I would imagine

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PaulWay[w]:

I was thinking 'bad' as in 'not using MMX' or something.

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PaulWay[w]:

Not 'bad' as in 'FITH'.

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kormoc:

hrm, perhaps

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PaulWay[w]:

Anyway, time for me to hunt down some lunch and actually get working...

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tanthrix:

mythfrontend is using 29 percent with my GF4MX

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tanthrix:

on my other box

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tanthrix:

X is 23, mythfrontend is 30, and mythcommflag is 24

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tanthrix:

And that's with the PCI version too! ;)

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dtm:

tanthrix: so is it a geforce 4mx or a geforce 4 440mx?

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tanthrix:

440 methinks

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Speedy2:

tanthrix: Make sure your video card has overlay support and it's enabled (xvinfo)

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[Ex0r]:

happy independence day!

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opello:

[Ex0r]: you too :) 15 minutes for me :)

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PaulWay[w]:

Hey xris, is there any way of setting nuvexport's children processes at a slightly higher priority than 19?

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PaulWay[w]:

I use distributed.net on that machine and, since they run at the same priority, I have to disable distributed.net manually or the recoding only gets 50% CPU time...

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LoneShadow:

[Ex0r] any progress ?

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PaulWay[w]:

xris: also, I don't have require_cutlist set in my nuvexportrc...

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PaulWay[w]:

How can I find out further why it would be not showing all my shows?

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PaulWay[w]:

Anyone here got any experience getting transcode to work across PVM?

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xris:

PaulWay[w]: read the nuvexportrc re nice stuff

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PaulWay[w]:

Hmmm.

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PaulWay[w]:

I don't see anything in my ~/.nuvexportrc file about it...

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PaulWay[w]:

Is there another (system default) one?

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xris:

pretty sure it's just --nice

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xris:

and yes, /etc/nuvexportrc

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PaulWay[w]:

Right.

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PaulWay[w]:

Should I put that in the <nuvexport> section or in the <ffmpeg> section?

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xris:

depends on how you want it to work, global or just for ffmpeg

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xris:

(global being for transcode or mencoder, too)

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PaulWay[w]:

Well, at the moment I've got "nice=10" in <nuvexport> but it doesn't seem to be doing anything.

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DrMitch:

damnit, i have xv enabled but when I change the hue/contrast/brightness of the recorded video, then exit the program and return, the settings reset back to 50%. how can I SAVE the contrast at 33% and so on?

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xris:

PaulWay[w]: apparently doesn't work in the config file, just on the cli

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PaulWay[w]:

Ah.

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PaulWay[w]:

Curse.

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PaulWay[w]:

OK then, now I know... :-)

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xris:

why bother to change it, though?

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PaulWay[w]:

DrMitch: I think there are settings in the mythfrontend setup.

[06:08:14]

PaulWay[w]:

Oh, just so I can leave distributed.net running...

[06:08:17]

PaulWay[w]:

Nothing important...

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xris:

ahh

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xris:

PaulWay[w]: just make a shell alias for it

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PaulWay[w]:

Good idea :-)

[06:09:12]

PaulWay[w]:

The "only showing 10% of my recorded shows" problem is more of an issue, though...

[06:09:56]

xris:

yeah. all on the same machine?

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PaulWay[w]:

Yeah.

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DrMitch:

PaulWay[w], settings to SAVE them?

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PaulWay[w]:

Yeah, in Setup -> TV -> Playback or something like that.

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DrMitch:

i'll take a look

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DrMitch:

thanks

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xris:

PaulWay[w]: only way that it would avoid shows is if the file isn't found, or if you have require_cutlist turned on

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xris:

we know the second isn't trye

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xris:

true

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PaulWay[w]:

Could it be looking for the old style .nuv files rather than the modern style .mpg files?

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xris:

it pulls basename from the db

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PaulWay[w]:

Hmmm.

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xris:

SELECT *, basename FROM recorded

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xris:

I should probably fix that since I don't need to explicitly request basename anymore.

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PaulWay[w]:

The shows are playing back fine and appearing in the mythweb interface, so I assume the information is in there correctly...

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xris:

mythweb uses a completely different method, though

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PaulWay[w]:

Yeah, I thought that would be the case, but I mention it just so we know that it is actually working in there... :-)

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xris:

in mythtv/recordings.pm, after line 71, add: print "$video_dir/$file->{basename} ";

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PaulWay[w]:

Righto – one minute...

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PaulWay[w]:

Line 71 is '$sh2 = $dbh->prepare($q2);' Is this right?

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xris:

nope

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PaulWay[w]:

Or should it be in 'push @{$Shows{$show}}, {'filename' => "$video_dir/$file" '

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xris:

you definitely don't have the latest version

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PaulWay[w]:

Hmmm.

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PaulWay[w]:

This should be 0.3 20060626, I upgraded it this morning.

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xris:

package or by hand?

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PaulWay[w]:

RPM package.

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xris:

and what file (full path) were you editing just now?

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PaulWay[w]:

/usr/local/share/nuvexport/mythtv/recordings.pm

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xris:

rm -rf /usr/local/share/nuvexport

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xris:

then try again

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PaulWay[w]:

Give me a moment and I'll find the right one.

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xris:

rpm installs to /usr

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PaulWay[w]:

Aaaahaahhhhhhhh.

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** PaulWay[w] shoots self in head with Perl. **

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PaulWay[w]:

Should the real version be in /usr/share/nuvexport ?

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xris:

yeah

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PaulWay[w]:

OK, I'll find it...

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PaulWay[w]:

This is made more difficult by the fact that I'm operating it remotely via SSH through an overloaded DSL link.

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xris:

heh

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PaulWay[w]:

Thanks very much for your help, once again.

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PaulWay[w]:

So how has the Summer Of Code thing gone for MythTV?

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xris:

not bad

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PaulWay[w]:

How many programmers have you/MythTV got from Google?

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PaulWay[w]:

How's Isaac about it all?

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C12C:

For anyone who cares. You can dump your raw zap2it feed using just wget: http://www.pvrweb.com//bbs/lofiversion/index.php?t4689.html

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tanthrix:

Speedy2: Are you still around?

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C12C:

And with that, I'm off. G'night people.

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linagee:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8-5INcUuoEs

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xris:

PaulWay[w]: 10 total (were given 11 but one project fell through)

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PaulWay[w]:

BTW, xris, on your BBS rant, had you seen Waste (by the Nullsoft guys)?

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xris:

PaulWay[w]: nope

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PaulWay[w]:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/waste

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xris:

interesting

[06:43:35]

xris:

sounds exactly like what I dreamed up

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Dagmar:

I'm suprised that's up there

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Dagmar:

Nullsoft simultaneously tried to deny it's existance and assert ownership of it the moment it was posted, since it was apparently written on "company time" and they got a lot of nastygrams from lawyers that same day

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PaulWay[w]:

The thing about waste is that you can't join without swapping a public key pair with someone.

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Dagmar:

No problem there.

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Dagmar:

It's too easy for people to pirate things as it is.

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PaulWay[w]:

So the whole peer to peer 'everyone can see what you're sharing' thing is moot.

[06:45:30]

Dagmar:

Things were better when you had to know your ass from a hole in the ground, or know someone who did.

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PaulWay[w]:

Dagmar: I'd argue that that is not the fault of the network or the software.

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PaulWay[w]:

:-)

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Dagmar:

Now just any idiot can go out there and download whatever they want, instead of being forced to go to the store and buy it like they should be.

[06:46:33]

Dagmar:

You have to admit companies didn't get *nearly* so crazy about piracy when it was limited to people with a clue.

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Dagmar:

...nor was it nearly so widespread.

[06:47:03]

Dagmar:

Conservation of clue being what it is and all

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PaulWay[w]:

True, but likewise you could argue that that was because they were already going after the other pirates selling CDs with photocopied labels.

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tanthrix:

PaulWay[w]: I tried my system out with the GF4MX and the numbers for mythfront end / x went to 37/32, from 50/50

[06:48:01]

tanthrix:

Doing mplayer with gl on mpeg2 still takes up 95%

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linagee:

does mythtv have DRM in it? has someone snuck this into the code?

[06:48:11]

tanthrix:

Speedy2 mentioned something about overlays, know anything about that?

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Dagmar:

PaulWay[w]: That was because those vendor-pirates were the only way morons could get warez

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PaulWay[w]:

And if we had a mechanism to buy media to use legitimately that was as easy as filesharing, then the issue of piracy would be half moot.

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Dagmar:

Vongo is getting there, although their catalog has some holes in it

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PaulWay[w]:

tanthrix: Very odd.

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PaulWay[w]:

linagee: No.

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linagee:

PaulWay[w]: good

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tanthrix:

PaulWay[w]: When I had a different distribution setup a while back nvidia-settings had overlay controls in there

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PaulWay[w]:

linagee: Do you mean 'DRM that restricts us to playing what we've legitimately bought' or 'DRM that affects what we record and how we distribute it'?

[06:49:49]

tanthrix:

PaulWay[w]: To adjust video brightness and such. Now it's not there at all

[06:49:56]

linagee:

PaulWay[w]: either

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PaulWay[w]:

Hmmm.

[06:50:06]

linagee:

PaulWay[w]: http://youtube.com/watch?v=8-5INcUuoEs

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linagee:

PaulWay[w]: mythtv is mentioned in that

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tanthrix:

PaulWay[w]: Speed2 mentioned something about using xvinfo to tell or not, but there doesn't seem to be anything about overlays in there

[06:50:20]

PaulWay[w]:

I can't play youtube at work, unfortunately.

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Dagmar:

tanthrix: Then you should probably ask nVidia why they took those controls out, or switch to the same version of the driver that you were using then.

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tanthrix:

Dagmar: It's the exact same driver

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Dagmar:

...or use the same video card you had then.

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PaulWay[w]:

linagee: Then I'd say firstly no because Microsoft and Apple won't license their DRM codecs for play on Linux, and secondly no because what would be the point?

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tanthrix:

Dagmar: And it was absent with the same card as well

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PaulWay[w]:

Dagmar: He's wanting the 4MX for its XvMC support.

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PaulWay[w]:

tanthrix: Could it have been moved?

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Dagmar:

Then he should use a distro that doesn't suck.

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tanthrix:

Actually I never used xvmc, I want the 4MX for overscan.

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PaulWay[w]:

My, aren't we prejudiced today Dagmar :-)

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tanthrix:

My GF2 with tv out doesn't fill the TV screen and has no way to change it

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Dagmar:

If the driver is the same, and the video card is the same, then the controls should be the same or the distro or the user is broken.

[06:52:44]

tanthrix:

Dagmar: I'm certainly willing to entertain both of those possibilities.

[06:52:45]

Agrajag-:

tanthrix: you can change it in your X config

[06:53:18]

Dagmar:

Of course it could be that the card isn't actually on the supported cards list and he needs to have been using the 7xxx series driver this whole time.

[06:53:29]

Agrajag-:

tanthrix: nvidia-settings has overscan, and if that doesn't do it enough you can change it in your xorg conf

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tanthrix:

Agrajag-: Overscan is absent in nvidia settings with my GF2, nor could I force it with my xorg conf

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Agrajag-:

i think Dagmar could be right

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PaulWay[w]:

Righty, off home to actually get some schtuff done.

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tanthrix:

PaulWay[w]: Thanks for your help.

[06:54:46]

dmz:

yeah, 12 episodes of robot chicken on to a single dvd :)

[06:54:53]

PaulWay[w]:

xris: It looks like the correct RPM wasn't, in fact, installed...

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Dagmar:

Only a *few* GF2 cards should be used with the 8xxx drivers.

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dtm:

dmz: o/

[06:54:55]

dmz:

now if i could only get my pvr500 2nd tuner to do something

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PaulWay[w]:

Stupid me.

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dmz:

hey dtm

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Dagmar:

Some will *immediately* fail, and some will only mostly work.

[06:55:20]

Dagmar:

Read http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . endix-a.html carefully.

[06:55:30]

xris:

PaulWay[w]: working now?

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tanthrix:

Dagmar: I'm using 7676 – I always had trouble with the newer drivers.

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PaulWay[w]:

I'll get it working this evening.

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Dagmar:

If yer PCI ID isn't in there, you need to be using http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7182.html

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Dagmar:

...and I do mean 7182, not anything newer than that

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Dagmar:

That was the last version before they threw out code supporting ancient cards

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tanthrix:

Well, right now I have a GF4 MX pci card in there

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PaulWay[w]:

Have fun people!

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Dagmar:

tanthrix: What PCI ID is it?

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tanthrix:

Dagmar: I'm not quite sure, I wasn't specifying it in my conf.

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tanthrix:

Dagmar: Do you think that I need to specify? I was always under the impression that the nvidia driver didn't need to know.

[06:59:51]

Dagmar:

You don't need to specify it in the configuration file, but you DO need to know it, otherwise you're just _guessing_ at which driver you're supposed to use.

[07:00:22]

Dagmar:

I mean it when I say that if you use a card that's not supported, it may only *mostly* work

[07:00:37]

Dagmar:

I have an ancient MX card that isn't supported by the 8xxx, which works _poorly_.

[07:00:52]

banyan:

I did something ill-advised and ran the channel scan in mythtv-setup. Now, my channel names are luh-ame! They're all "Channel xx". I know there's a way to recover from this... do I have to delete the channels table contents and rerun a mythfilldatabase?

[07:01:04]

Dagmar:

Everything behaves as it's supposed to with the 7182 driver

[07:01:08]

tanthrix:

Interesting.

[07:02:12]

Dagmar:

So to put it bluntly, use the latest version of the nVidia driver appropriate for your card, or don't be suprised when you get problems.

[07:02:46]

Dagmar:

Seeing as how you say you're having problems with the 8xxx drivers, it's probably that you should have been using 7182 all this time.

[07:03:36]

tanthrix:

Dagmar: This is all new to me. I always thought the driver supported all cards and they just kept adding to it, sort of like the XP detonater drivers.

[07:03:49]

Dagmar:

Yeah well, you learn amazing things when you read.

[07:04:29]

Dagmar:

The READMEs with the nVidia driver are long, but the stuff in them is necessary to problem solving.

[07:04:37]

tanthrix:

I

[07:04:44]

tanthrix:

I've read them a decent amount in the past

[07:04:55]

tanthrix:

To get my xorg conf the way I want

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Dagmar:

...and the Detonator packages *also *dropped support for ancient cards some time back

[07:06:01]

Dagmar:

Jesus they seem to be cranking a new package of that out every two freaking weeks. 91.31 is out now

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tanthrix:

Dagmar: Is there a quick and dirty command I can use to figure out the pci id of my card?

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dtm:

tanthrix: lspci -v | less

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Dagmar:

tanthrix: You mean `lspci -vn`?

[07:08:13]

CrazyP:

so any opinions on mythtv + 64 bit cpus? I've noticed that I can't even watch movies w/ mplayer etc does that affect mythtv?

[07:08:15]

Dagmar:

You need the -n to get the numbers.

[07:08:46]

Dagmar:

Although probably `lcpci` to find out what the bus ID is and then lspci -n to get the vend/prod codes would be faster

[07:09:25]

banyan:

so, to rebuild my channels database... will deleting the records in the channels table and running a mythfilldatabase work?

[07:09:47]

Dagmar:

like "00:08.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. ViRGE/DX or /GX (rev 01)" (boldface is bus ID) comes out from lspci, but you don't get anything telling you it's a VGA card when you use `lspci -n` but at least the bus numebrs still show

[07:09:50]

dtm:

CrazyP: you noticed it? after what, after you somehow deleted or broke part of mplayer? or what

[07:10:09]

CrazyP:

dtm: no on a fresh install of gentoo I can't watch movies.

[07:10:17]

dtm:

CrazyP: that would not stand to reason sir

[07:10:29]

dtm:

to not watch movies with proprietary codecs, yes

[07:10:33]

CrazyP:

dtm: why do you say that?

[07:10:52]

tanthrix:

Dagmar: My card reports as a GF4 MX 420 which is supported by 7676, but the class is 0300, which is not listed

[07:10:57]

CrazyP:

dtm, so you are able to watch movies w/ your 64bit cpu?

[07:11:04]

dtm:

CrazyP: i believe the burden of justification is yours, sir, not mine :)

[07:11:17]

Dagmar:

tanthrix: What exactly is a "class"?

[07:11:18]

dtm:

CrazyP: i dont have one, but there's nothing incompatible between mplayer and 64bit

[07:11:41]

dtm:

CrazyP: the only incompatibility by default is between 64bit and the proprietary 32bit codecs which require a chroot or somesuch.

[07:11:52]

tanthrix:

sc00p:08.0 Class 0300: 10de:0172 (rev a3)

[07:12:01]

Dagmar:

tanthrix: ...nevermind. Dude, ignore that. It doesn't matter.

[07:12:06]

CrazyP:

dtm: yeah, I think its the codecs... not sure hot to fix it tho heh

[07:12:20]

CrazyP:

well, i don't think its the codecs, i know its the codecs...

[07:12:37]

Dagmar:

tanthrix: I just finished saying that it wouldn't show you the text description when you use lspci -n, and it's the VENDOR and PRODUCT codes that matter

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Dagmar:

Class 300 just means it's a video card.

[07:12:46]

CrazyP:

and with gentoo it seems like to much of a pita to go about doing it...

[07:12:58]

Dagmar:

tanthrix: It's the 10de:0172 that matter

[07:13:25]

tanthrix:

Dagmar: Ok, I'll remember that for future reference.

[07:14:03]

Dagmar:

tanthrix: According to that, you have a "GeForce4 MX 420", which means you should be using the 8762 driver.

[07:14:13]

Dagmar:

Try that one and see if it behaves any better.

[07:15:33]

tanthrix:

Dagmar: Why *should* I be using the latest driver then as this one supports it just fine?

[07:15:33]

dtm:

CrazyP: yeah so 95% of the codecs out there are probably playable by default.

[07:15:34]

Dagmar:

tanthrix: BTW, unlike a lot of stuff, the ID codes for PCI cards are always deadly accurate. Only weird korean crap has more than one device with different drivers that use the same codes

[07:15:50]

tanthrix:

Dagmar: I had all sorts of weird tv-out problems using newer drivers in the past

[07:15:55]

CrazyP:

dtm: yeah, i'm in gentoo, getting help... once i get that working then mythtv time hehe

[07:15:57]

dtm:

CrazyP: well on the other hand, gentoo is popular enough and well documented enough that there's probably a howto on it

[07:15:59]

Dagmar:

tanthrix: Did you or did you NOT just say that you were missing controls you thought should be showing up?

[07:16:39]

tanthrix:

Dagmar: Yes, but, since they showed up originally with this driver and this card, logically, at least most likely, it's something else that is causing my troubles.

[07:16:50]

CrazyP:

dtm: yeah, i just got the info I needed.

[07:16:52]

Dagmar:

Whatever

[07:17:01]

dtm:

o/

[07:17:20]

banyan:

So, just to sum up, then, there is not an issue using myth as a front end on a 64 bit box?

[07:17:31]

Dagmar:

banyan: Not really, no

[07:17:46]

gdoubleu:

I've got a pvr-350 and audigy 2 zs. With the pvr-350's decoder disabled, audio is output through the audigy's line out. With the pvr-350's decoder enabled, audio is output through the pvr-350's RCA stereo outs. Is it possible to have the pvr-350's mpeg decoder enabled and still have sound output though the audigy's line out (and not having to loop the pvr-350's RCA stereo outs to the audigy's aux2 RCA stereo ins)?

[07:17:56]

banyan:

unless you need funky codecs that are only available in 32 bit versions...

[07:18:34]

tanthrix:

Dagmar: Presuming it's not the driver, would you think it's odd that mplayer using -vo gl uses 95 percent CPU on a 1ghz system?

[07:18:49]

tanthrix:

(Decoding MPEG2, that is)

[07:19:04]

banyan:

gdoubleu — I guess that it isn't. I was trying to do that a couple of years ago and no dice.

[07:19:06]

Dagmar:

tanthrix: It's pretty much a given that the driver isn't working unless that's 1080i video

[07:19:29]

Dagmar:

...so don't sit there and say "Excluding the most obvious source of the problem..."

[07:19:56]

banyan:

Since the entire stream (video and audio) goes out to the 350, the 350 puts the audio out as well as the video. It takes some preprocessing to separate out the audio so you can deal with it separately, and that creates time sync issues.

[07:20:02]

Dagmar:

I have a 650mhz notebook that can play full-screen without me really telling mplayer anything, and it's a crappy ATI chipset

[07:20:15]

tanthrix:

Would glx gears run perfectly at 60 fps (As I have v-sync enabled) if the driver had a problem?

[07:20:25]

Dagmar:

Look.

[07:20:42]

Dagmar:

Just because some things work doesn't mean ALL things must work

[07:20:48]

Dagmar:

This is why they're called "bugs".

[07:21:02]

Dagmar:

They're unpleasant, nasty, and sneak into weird places.

[07:21:24]

gardengnome:

and they make funny noises when you fix them

[07:21:25]

Dagmar:

Just because one thing works right is no reason to expect that other things AREN'T completely broken.

[07:21:26]

gardengnome:

umm

[07:21:27]

gardengnome:

nm

[07:21:33]

tanthrix:

Is it that much of an insane leap to assume that something else is causing the problem since I've used this driver and this card on this very distribution before in the past and had it work just fine?

[07:21:59]

Dagmar:

So if you get good frame rates with GLX gears doesn't mean crap for full-screen video, although if you got a bad frame rate it would be poorer odds that video would work at all

[07:22:19]

Dagmar:

It's an insane leap to think that just because one thing works that everything else is going to.

[07:22:44]

Dagmar:

...and glxgears should be able to go WAY over 60fps

[07:22:49]

Dagmar:

...even if it were broken.

[07:22:53]

tanthrix:

(I have v-sync turned on......)

[07:22:56]

Dagmar:

Ten times that at least

[07:22:59]

Dagmar:

So what?

[07:23:06]

tanthrix:

Do you even know what v-sync is?

[07:23:15]

banyan:

it does imply that glxgears and the thing you're having trouble with are dealing with video in a different way, and the difference has something to do with the problem.

[07:23:16]

Dagmar:

ALl that means is that you can't see that you might have only been getting 150fps out of it

[07:23:54]

Dagmar:

If you want to use glxgears to determine if things are working correctly, THEN TURN OFF V-SYNC so that you can see it's working better than a piece of crap video card can

[07:24:35]

banyan:

besides, 60 hz is a bit painful. blink blink blink!

[07:24:50]

gdoubleu:

banyan: darn. that makes sense I guess.

[07:24:54]

Dagmar:

I get in excess of 1,000 fps with v-sync turned off on most of my cards.

[07:25:09]

tanthrix:

Dagmar: I get 950 FPS with v-sync off. I alreayd knew that.

[07:25:10]

Dagmar:

So, clamping it to 60, I could probably have my motherboard *on fire* and not notice anything wrong

[07:25:20]

Dagmar:

OKay, so that's _useful_ information then.

[07:25:57]

banyan:

I was hoping to put audio out the optical off the motherboard and do the video out the card, but I have to go digital->audio->tv->receiver->speakers.

[07:26:01]

Dagmar:

Heck, I can get higher than 60fps on the S3 card that's in this firewall

[07:26:05]

tanthrix:

Dagmar: I'm not sure if you know this, but v-sync syncs your frame drawing to the refresh rate of your monitor.

[07:26:20]

tanthrix:

Dagmar: Therefore, if it is turned on, it will not go over 60 FPS.

[07:26:41]

Dagmar:

tanthrix: I'll tell you what. We can just assume that I don't know anything about video cards, and I can begin ignoring your questions instead of having to fight over the most obvious points.

[07:26:48]

lakanta:

Dagmar: Are you sure that you actually know what v-sync is? You seema little confused.

[07:27:28]

Dagmar:

I can only say the same things in a row so many times before I feel like I'm completely wasting my time

[07:27:47]

Dagmar:

lakanta: You need to go back up and re-read if you've gotten that impression.

[07:27:55]

tanthrix:

Dagmar: Then why are you babbling on about how it should be giving me 10 million fps? What's more logical, that my video card is exploding and magically giving me 60 fps by chance or that, perhaps, v-sync is doing exactly what it's supposed to?

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Dagmar:

"Why, my car drives just fine at 8 miles an hour so the engine MUST be fine!"

[07:28:59]

Dagmar:

"...but when I put my foot down on the pedal, big clouds of smoke come out of the back, so I think the muffler is broken."

[07:29:14]

gdoubleu:

banyan: yeah, although the processor usage difference is not that much between decoder on/off, so I guess I could just leave it off. Will have to see if I can tell a difference in picture quality.

[07:30:08]

banyan:

you have other ways to get the video do you?>

[07:30:43]

banyan:

My main concern in deciding to use the 350's output was quality. much better quality output than from my video card's tv-out.

[07:31:54]

tanthrix:

Dagmar: You are the very cliche of a elitist linux snob, oppressed by newbies everywhere.

[07:32:07]

gdoubleu:

well, the video is still output through the 350's composite out using the ivtv xdriver

[07:32:42]

gdoubleu:

i wonder if that still uses the decoder?

[07:32:50]

Dagmar:

Have you tried setting a different resolution for your video card's output?

[07:33:03]

banyan:

I think that's using the framebuffer.

[07:33:27]

banyan:

so not the decoder...

[07:33:51]

banyan:

I actually just tried glxgears by the way and I get pathetic results! lol

[07:34:10]

banyan:

sometthing under 60 frames a second.

[07:34:36]

Dagmar:

Ouch

[07:34:59]

Dagmar:

Are you trying to do that at 1600x1200 or the standard size that it comes up with

[07:35:20]

gdoubleu:

so using the framebuffer, processor usage is ~2% and using decoder <1%

[07:37:01]

banyan:

I'm running the nv driver.

[07:37:10]

banyan:

Gotta switch to nvidia...

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Dagmar:

banyan: AH, so you were using Mesa then. heh

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Dagmar:

Man I like this watchdog card. I've never had one in my personal equipment before.

[07:40:47]

Dagmar:

No matter how stupid what I'm doing to the system is, if it crashes hard enough to stop my heartbeat script, it'll be hard-rebooted in one minute.

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banyan:

Yep, it helps when you're running a non-lame video driver. 873 FPS > 60.

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Dagmar:

MUCH nicer

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Dagmar:

If you ever have to try to replace ACPI on a machine remotely, I can highly recommend a watchdog card

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banyan:

That there is the difference between 'nv' and 'nvidia'

[07:48:14]

banyan:

Did it choke on you?

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Dagmar:

This is nine times now i've completely forked over this box. nto once have I had to go home to manually powercycle it.

[07:48:46]

Dagmar:

It's one of the screwy boards that wants to put *everything* on one IRQ

[07:48:57]

Dagmar:

...which we know from long experience, doesn't work for crap.

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banyan:

ah, so you *have* a watchdog card.

[07:49:17]

Dagmar:

Yes. I have a watchdog card in it forcibly rebooting it if what I'm doing to it kills it dead.

[07:49:35]

Dagmar:

Someone loaned it to me. I've never bothered to buy one before for anything but other people's machines

[07:49:55]

Dagmar:

If it doesn't get it's heartbeat signal within a certain amount of time, it (violently) reboots the machine

[07:49:58]

banyan:

You can get power bars with embedded web pages from which you can turn off or on specific outlets.

[07:50:03]

banyan:

From ritta.

[07:50:05]

banyan:

rittal.

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Dagmar:

Yeah, we have some of them in our NOC. They're a relatively new thing

[07:50:40]

Dagmar:

...and I kinda worry about the fact that they're using SNMP. :/

[07:50:40]

banyan:

Seems like overkill.

[07:50:55]

Dagmar:

Definitely don't want them on a segment students have access to

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opello:

sounds fun

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Dagmar:

Someone's going to eventually go "what's this thing do?" and pagers will go off at 3:00am

[07:51:26]

banyan:

You'd wanna firewall that puppy.

[07:51:44]

banyan:

behind the vpn with thou.

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Dagmar:

Personally, I prefer a private management-only segment

[07:52:10]

banyan:

damn, there was something I was going to ask but I forget what.

[07:52:30]

banyan:

anyway, it's late here so goodnight!

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tutran:

hi... i have a question concerning XMLTV perl building

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gdoubleu:

anyone know where I can find a channel changing script for an old sony directv box?

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Dagmar:

tutran: did you install the dependencies?

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dns_serve1:

is there anyone with ubuntu dapper that can tell me how to set up scripts to start mythbackend?

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qu0zl:

i can give you one if you want

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dns_serve1:

great, i'm currently just starting it manually in a terminal, and i can't get the examples to work

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qu0zl:

k just uploading it somewher

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qu0zl:

dns_serve1, http://gregfarrell.org//mythtv-backend I can't remember where i got it from probably some mythtv howto

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qu0zl:

then do update-rc.d to create the needed symlinks

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qu0zl:

update-rc.d mythtv-backend defaults

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qu0zl:

is the cmd you need if memory serves

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dns_serve1:

thanks, it's working fine

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Dagmar:

qu0zl: That makes me feel warm and fuzzy. My backend script checks to make sure the mysql is actually running first. :)

[08:38:00]

Dagmar:

I'll have to remmeber to contact the author of that backend script this week and see if they would appreciate a patch

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dns_serve1:

does anyone know the status of useing postgres as the database?

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Dagmar:

dns_serve1: Sched for inclusion in 0.20

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Dagmar:

though I don't know if any work has been done on it yet ata ll

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Dagmar:

a/ata ll/at all/;

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dns_serve1:

personally i prefer postgres, i seem to corrupt mysql too easily

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Dagmar:

I have belt and suspendered my MySQL setup out of sheer paranoia

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Dagmar:

I've got one more wipe and reset to go through before I'm done, too.

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Dagmar:

I want to be able to reset the thing to defaults, as well as store configuration profiles so that if something gets buggered I can reset it without having to wade through all the menus

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Dagmar:

I'm starting to find it a little easier to change the configuration by editing the db manually at this point.

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Dagmar:

Those menus really are a nightmare

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Dagmar:

Someone is going to have to trim them up at some point

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xris:

!seen stuarta

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MythLogBot:

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LabMonkey:

wtb mythfrontend for windows :(

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otwin:

Hi Juski – do you have experience setting up perforce access to build minimyth?

[10:05:11]

Juski:

otwin: don't even go there. i tried for days & didn't get anywhere fast. fails to build on gentoo. fails to build on ubuntu

[10:05:38]

otwin:

juski: i did it several months ago on fc3

[10:05:52]

Juski:

yeh apparently it works on fedora core :-/

[10:05:57]

otwin:

now i am on dapper

[10:06:36]

Juski:

watch out for some big snafus like not being able to build X's stuff in userspace

[10:07:12]

otwin:

but i downloaded gar-minimyth-0.19–14beta4.tar.bz2 and right now it's building fine – running for 3 hours

[10:07:54]

Juski:

I was trying 0.19–13 I think

[10:08:03]

Juski:

the first few hours are okay...

[10:08:12]

otwin:

but i don't get perforce access set up – but probably i don't need it anyway. let's see what this build gives...

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Juski:

I'm not one to be easily put off either

[10:08:27]

otwin:

:-)

[10:08:44]

otwin:

read that s100 thread on linpvr forum – very interesting

[10:08:50]

Juski:

why the custom build anyway?

[10:09:23]

otwin:

i want svn on the backend for mytharchive – so i need svn minimyth

[10:09:29]

Juski:

ah

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otwin:

several weeks ago there was a svn release of minimyth but it's gone

[10:10:36]

Juski:

I'm gonna try minimyth straight out of the box with the s100 and just edit scripts

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Dagmar:

Wheee only 23 reboots later I get ACPI untangled

[10:11:25]

otwin:

did you move http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/s100/ ?

[10:11:37]

Juski:

yeh.. to www.juski.co.uk/s100

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otwin:

thx

[10:12:13]

Juski:

felt like I've been trying to reinvent the wheel – and all so I can have a smaller footprint install

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Dagmar:

Juski: You could, of course, just buy a more decorate TV stand and install the hardware in it with a hacksaw

[10:14:02]

otwin:

i still have that flash memory IDE adapter – could be usefull in the s100

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Dagmar:

:)

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Juski:

Dagmar: lol.. not the kind of footprint I meant :-)

[10:15:03]

Dagmar:

TV makers used to do it

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otwin:

juski: the minimyth build stopped – sth with X11 – just like you said :-)

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Dagmar:

My parents STILL have a record player that's about six feeet long and four feet high

[10:15:31]

Dagmar:

It doubles as a *table*

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Dagmar:

After I replaced it's innards so it would work again (and not be quite such a fire hazard) there's room to hide *people* in it

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Juski:

otwin: you ready to edit some header files? Pablo pointed me to a handy thread that got me a little further

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Neeesat25:

Juski are you around?

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otwin:

juski: hmm – I think I'm going to ask Pablo if he still has a copy that svn build of minimyth. He seems to be a very helpfull guy.

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Dagmar:

That would be the hostname

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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Neeesat25:

Can someone see in the following link the error I get for liveTV? http://pastebin.ca/78623

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Hoxzer:

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1151836295/What_We_Are we're just monkeys :(

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Juski:

what's up, Neeesat25?

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gardengnome:

!trout Juski

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

[11:13:59]

Juski:

hey gardengnome

[11:14:09]

Juski:

beware.. I still have man-flu :-P

[11:14:20]

gardengnome:

Juski: i'm not too satisfied with the tv-out on the s100 yet. do you think that turning off some of the filters will help?

[11:14:23]

gardengnome:

hehe

[11:15:04]

Juski:

gardengnome: give it a go.. I think it looks great ... I could send you my system.pcf so we can compare notes

[11:15:22]

gardengnome:

Juski: that'd be much appreciated.

[11:15:27]

Juski:

oops. I could if the umbongo box was turned on

[11:15:58]

gardengnome:

Juski: don't worry

[11:16:07]

gardengnome:

Juski: i'll bug ya tomorrow :)

[11:16:16]

Juski:

I need to mess with it anyway

[11:16:38]

Juski:

too hot to sleep so I may aswell do something

[11:16:57]

gardengnome:

too hot to sleep? i'll try that soon and report back to you ;)

[11:17:11]

Juski:

32'C in my bedroom :-/

[11:17:27]

Juski:

add a fever to that and erm... it's a tad uncomfortable

[11:18:11]

Merlin83b:

Ouch.

[11:18:13]

Juski:

still – my parents always say to 'sweat out a cold'.. and I'm certainly doing that

[11:18:16]

Merlin83b:

24C here.

[11:18:42]

Merlin83b:

AC++

[11:18:52]

Juski:

heh. such luxury

[11:19:24]

Juski:

I'm gonna try something I saw suggested on breakfast news yesterday... freeze bottles of water & stick them in front of a fan

[11:19:32]

Merlin83b:

Sounds good to me.

[11:19:51]

Merlin83b:

http://www.eng.uwaterloo.ca/~gmilburn/ac/

[11:19:52]

Merlin83b:

Do that.

[11:20:38]

Juski:

nifty-mundo!

[11:23:35]

Dagmar:

It's a great way to farm mildew

[11:23:41]

Dagmar:

YUMMY!

[11:23:51]

gardengnome:

turn off the athlon boxen ;)

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** gardengnome vanishes **

[11:24:02]

Dagmar:

Not to be crass or anything, but...

[11:24:22]

Dagmar:

I hear there are already companies making devices that are designed specifically to make air colder.

[11:24:32]

Juski:

heh.

[11:24:49]

Juski:

if this heatwave keeps up I might just have to invest

[11:25:08]

Juski:

a good nights' sleep is worth a couple of hundred quid

[11:25:13]

Dagmar:

You might not like this suggestion, but it works...

[11:25:17]

Dagmar:

Iced underpants.

[11:25:56]

Dagmar:

Anywhere the skin is thin is both the place most sensitive to what temperature you *feel* as well as the best places to keep you cool.

[11:26:08]

Dagmar:

So, under the neck, under the arms, and in the crotch.

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Dagmar:

What do you consider a heat wave anyway? We're a hair's breadth away from 100F here and it's not even August yet

[11:28:36]

Juski:

according to the British Met. Office it's 'level 3'.. there's a level 4 apparently but it's got to get much worse for that

[11:28:57]

Juski:

in the UK 30'C is a high temperature even in summer

[11:29:26]

Merlin83b:

We have wicked humidity, too.

[11:29:43]

Merlin83b:

Been to plenty of hotter places that are pleasant due to the low humidity.

[11:29:58]

Juski:

yeh.. 35'C is pretty comfy with low humidity

[11:30:15]

Dagmar:

OMG

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Dagmar:

You would *die* in Tennessee in August.

[11:30:30]

Merlin83b:

Numbers!

[11:30:35]

Merlin83b:

Temperature/humidity.

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Dagmar:

Most of August will be close to 30C in the middle of the night, with 80% humidity

[11:30:55]

Juski:

it's just a matter of what you're used to.. and here.. we ain't used to it brother

[11:31:06]

Merlin83b:

Yeah, what Juski said.

[11:31:12]

Merlin83b:

Plus homes here do not have AC. Ever.

[11:31:19]

Dagmar:

During the day, it'll crawl up on 98–100F and just stay there.

[11:31:48]

Dagmar:

Well, whose fault is that for not installing HVAC?

[11:31:58]

Merlin83b:

Probably the government.

[11:31:59]

Dagmar:

C'mon man! It's global warming tme!

[11:32:26]

Juski:

hmmm. planet warms up, so everyone gets AC... which makes global warming worse. nice idea

[11:32:36]

Merlin83b:

It's the American way :-)

[11:33:12]

Dagmar:

Nah, only the old systems used fluorocarbons

[11:33:23]

Juski:

I wasn't talking about CFCs

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Merlin83b:

Erm, they all use power.

[11:33:33]

Dagmar:

The new ones use something much more expensive that just causes cancer, but doesn't otherwise affect the environment

[11:33:51]

Juski:

apart from the carbon emmitting power sources...

[11:33:58]

Dagmar:

Of course, you've basically got to swim in it to get cancer, but that's why we have lab rats.

[11:34:09]

Dagmar:

Hydroelectric power doesn't cause global warming.

[11:34:26]

Juski:

1/3 of us are gonna get some form of cancer of other, so why worry too much?

[11:34:31]

Dagmar:

Truly.

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Dagmar:

Give lab rats the equivalent of 400 cups of coffee a day, and suprise! You can declare caffiene to be a carcinogen.

[11:35:03]

Juski:

lol

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Dagmar:

Of course, I would worry more about the effect that never, ever sleeping. (Ever) would have on you

[11:35:21]

Dagmar:

No joke. That was "proven" when I was in high school.

[11:35:56]

Dagmar:

The amount of caffiene they gave those rats would have kept a full-sized human awake all the time

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Juski:

just about anything you care to name has been 'proven' to be carcinogenic at one time or other.. or else just poisonous long term

[11:36:33]

Juski:

shock, horror! we're gonna die at some point!!!

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Dagmar:

You first.

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Juski:

I hope so

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Juski:

being a blokey I don't cope well with illness. (moans & groans quietly in the corner)

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Dagmar:

I cope with it fine. I mostly stay in bed for a day, and then I get up and go "get" whoever gave it to me.

[11:38:29]

Dagmar:

I've only stopped breathing a few times. Heh

[11:39:00]

Juski:

this was somebody at work i think. Couple that with too many late nights, not enough fresh fruit/veg...

[11:39:17]

Dagmar:

You can get by without fresh fruit and veggies.

[11:39:52]

Dagmar:

The key is become accustomed to a high level of toxins.

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Dagmar:

That way, any foriegn body that enters your system just dies.

[11:40:10]

Juski:

heh

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Juski:

Mcdonalds for lunch then

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Dagmar:

The soy content in those is practically health food now, but the fries make up for it

[11:41:01]

Juski:

don't forget the bleached vegetables

[11:41:32]

Juski:

I can't ever remember seeing crispy _green_ lettuce in a Big Mac

[11:43:07]

Dagmar:

I get mine without onions.

[11:43:50]

Dagmar:

...so basically, I get a "burger" patty, two pieces of bread with sesame seeds, a slice of cheese food, and usually a single pickle and a little dab of ketchup and mustard

[11:44:01]

Dagmar:

...and they microwave it when you special order like that.

[11:44:34]

Dagmar:

THe good news is that you can eat it with one hand while you drive and talk on the cell phone.

[11:44:45]

Dagmar:

(um... yes, I have a headset)

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Dagmar:

Try that with a Wendy's burger or something from Burger King and you will wind up with your shirt in a deplorable state when you get on site

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Juski:

haha

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Neeesat25:

Juski: Can you please see http://pastebin.ca/78669?

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Juski:

Neeesat25: you have xvmc enabled with an ATI card? oops

[12:05:04]

Juski:

but I don't think that's why it's failing

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Neeesat25:

I have install fglrx drivers with my ATI Radeon 9250 but I got only black screen and failure

[12:05:55]

Neeesat25:

I have change the driver in xorg to radeon

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Juski:

Neeesat25: have you tested your tuner outside of mythtv?

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Neeesat25:

yes I have done search and I have lots of channels

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Juski:

do scheduled recordings work okay?

[12:06:54]

Neeesat25:

I didn't try it

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Juski:

what's the mpeg decoding method you have set in tv settings > playback ?

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Neeesat25:

stantard

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Juski:

okees then

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Juski:

stop mythbackend & run it in a terminal as the mythtv user

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Neeesat25:

ok

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Juski:

then start mythfrontend, try watching livetv, then look at what the output of mythbackend says

[12:13:00]

sixy:

is there any way of using dual tuners with different epgs?

[12:13:09]

Juski:

course there is

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Juski:

just make a new video source & bind that to one of the tuners instead of both

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sixy:

all the info i found said you had to use just one. probably out of date tho. we found however that if two channels have the same name it causes recording issues

[12:14:33]

sixy:

do you just rename then? ie "bbc1 [tuner 2]"

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Juski:

how would it cause issues? there are only issues if 2 channels have the same number

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sixy:

they have different numbers, but the same channel id and name. when recording it tries to record a channel on both tuners simultaneuosly

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Dagmar:

Fun!

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sixy:

:*(

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Dagmar:

Are they the same channel?

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Dagmar:

You might need to manually rename one

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Juski:

maybe try renaming one then

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** Juski listens to online radio & is taken aback by how good Milkdrop really is **

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Juski:

heheh. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/07/04/snow_in_brum/

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geemark:

does anyone have en idea of what is wrong when "modprobe ivtv" hangs?

[12:21:55]

sixy:

yeah thats working now. just appeneded (A) to the analogue chans. thanks.

[12:23:22]

sixy:

geemark – do modprobe -v ivtv and post output

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geemark:

sixy: also nothing – however, dmesg reports something about "Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address b2e86510"

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Juski:

wrong kernel for the ivtv version?

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sixy:

hmm interesting – it gets confused if you try two channels simultaneuosly with the guide but works if you do it manually by pressing r in livetv

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Juski:

>2.6.15 you need ivtv 6.x for starters... (or even newer kernels might need 7.x)

[12:27:47]

sixy:

geemark what distro?

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Juski:

and apparently some distros (FC5 I think) have misidentified the kernel

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geemark:

2.6.16.20 with ivtv 0.6

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geemark:

sixy: debian

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sixy:

apparently 0.6.3 is the correct ivtv version.

[12:29:17]

gardengnome:

Juski: nope, not too hot for a nap.

[12:30:23]

Juski:

dammit. xbmc's music playback stomps all over mythmusic. anyone fancy having a whip-round to rustle up a bounty? ;-)

[12:30:29]

geemark:

I have 0.6.3.1 it seems

[12:30:54]

gardengnome:

Juski: mythmusic is being overhauled.

[12:31:05]

Juski:

gardengnome: sure. how much overhauled? ;-)

[12:31:06]

sixy:

juski – mythmusic is in the list to fix in googles summer of code. and it needs it badly.

[12:31:27]

Juski:

I'm not sure you could call XBMC a benchmark though

[12:31:48]

sixy:

hell even windows mce has a better music player than myth

[12:31:53]

gardengnome:

sixy: is there anything in svn yet?

[12:32:02]

geemark:

sixy: http://pastebin.ca/78681

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sixy:

wasnt when i last looked

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Juski:

when all is said & done though, myth doesn't crash as often as XBMC :-)

[12:34:10]

Neeesat25:

What permitions must /home has?

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Neeesat25:

chmod?

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Juski:

chpwn!

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Juski:

gardengnome: http://pastebin.ca/78682 .. RGB out, scaled to fit my telly

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sixy:

geemark – i have no idea whats wrong. google turns up an occasional user with the same issues, but doesnt seem to be confined to particular distros or versions of ivtv

[12:35:06]

gardengnome:

Juski: crispy picture?

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Juski:

gardengnome: verily

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sixy:

my only suggestion is use gentoo or fedora instead, which isnt really very helpful :/

[12:35:36]

gardengnome:

humm.

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gardengnome:

Juski: id 11, isn't that supposed to be 2?

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Juski:

gardengnome: btw that's using the 'TV' out, not VCR

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gardengnome:

Juski: yep

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Juski:

gardengnome: can't say I noticed

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Juski:

pardon me, but HOLY CRAP!!

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Juski:

god I wish I could code

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gardengnome:

huuh?

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Juski:

milkdrop again. don't mind me

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gardengnome:

ok..

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sixy:

pity its dx only :/

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Juski:

pity it's been re-implimented in linux :-)

[12:44:17]

sixy:

besdies goom is there anything close to milkdrop that runs on linux?

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Juski:

goom != close to milkdrop, sorry

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sixy:

its has? where! where!

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Juski:

http://xmms-projectm.sourceforge.net/

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sixy:

does it work with myth?

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adante:

any aussies around

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Juski:

sixy: doubt it

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Juski:

just thinking though.. you could launch xmms from mythfrontend quite easily

[12:46:36]

sixy:

xmms already has lirc support – so you could probably just use it as the mythmusic player

[12:47:13]

Juski:

there's still the underlying problem that you can't do anything else while playing music though

[12:47:44]

sixy:

if you used an external app to play the music that would be very easy to change tho

[12:47:48]

Juski:

and from what I've seen of xmms it's quite tv friendly

[12:48:37]

sixy:

xmms could just run in the background, and use irxevent with dynamically generated window id values to control it and myth at the same time with one remote

[12:49:05]

Juski:

yeh but how about being able to go into myth & the menu background changes to the visualisation?

[12:50:18]

** Juski goes to see how much a PCI nvidia card is these days **

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Juski:

ouch.. Â£42.. :-/

[12:52:06]

sixy:

geforce mx4000 pci cards are pretty cheap over here

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Juski:

do they do proper xvmc?

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sixy:

but to get the vis and myth menus at the same time you would have to dispay the entire interface in opengl

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Juski:

sixy: that's the way it's going

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sixy:

no, come to think of it

[12:53:08]

sixy:

the work with Xv, gl and gl2 but not xvmc

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sixy:

you probably want a 6200 or better for xvmc

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Juski:

my little epia box really needs xvmc

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Juski:

6200 in PCI?

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sixy:

isnt there a speicaly epia mpeg decoder?

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Juski:

my point being I can't hang around for decent gl support in openchrome

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sixy:

yup. about £40 here

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Merlin83b:

Juski: Doesn't it have xvmc already?

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Juski:

gotta be fanless for my silent box

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Merlin83b:

Oh

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Juski:

yes it has xvmc, but the opengl support is shite-o-mundo

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Merlin83b:

How come you're so desperate for OpenGL?

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gardengnome:

Juski: my gf4 mx 440 is fanless & pci

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Juski:

the way mythtv is going

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Merlin83b:

I don't like the sound of that.

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sixy:

oh actually cancel that 6200 pci-e not pci. ignore me :)

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Juski:

I'm thinking.. if you can't beat em...

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Merlin83b:

I have no more PCI slots...

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Merlin83b:

If you can't beat em, get coding!

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Juski:

Merlin83b: by the time it all happens, maybe gl support will be much better

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Juski:

I mean it's capable of it

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gardengnome:

umm, you don't have to use the gl stuff.

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Juski:

yeh.. not now

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Merlin83b:

I've fallen some way behind SVN as my system's pretty much working now.

[12:57:00]

Merlin83b:

I'm loathe to upgrade and break it again.

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Juski:

pvr350 owners are looking like they'll be sidelined soon, so I heard in here

[12:57:07]

sixy:

juski – for the minute if you can find out how to use an external app for mythmusic i can easily wrtie the control interface so that the remote controls the main interface and the background music player (xmms?) simultaneously

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sixy:

pvr350 is a fairly nearly obselete way of doing things anyway

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Juski:

sixy: I don't need any of the database stuff – it just complicates things IMHO. playlists will be sufficient

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Juski:

it'll make stuff much easier without db hacking actually since playlists are tied to frontends

[12:59:04]

sixy:

yeah. although the myth playlist selector is socking as well, thats probably not step 1 :)

[12:59:10]

sixy:

*shocking

[12:59:23]

Juski:

it's alright if you only have like 10 albums or so

[12:59:58]

Juski:

reminds me actually. at some point I'm gonna re-rip all my collection and this time make the tags myself so they're _right_

[13:00:17]

Zider:

mythmusic playlist is pretty useless for my large music collection.. :/

[13:00:31]

sixy:

if you have 300+ cds its a bit of a pain in the arse

[13:00:37]

Zider:

one thing I especially want is a "jump to" function

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Zider:

NOT search for song, add to end, jump to end and play it :P

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gardengnome:

Juski: btw, i posted the id 14= 4 in the zenega forum.

[13:01:39]

Juski:

we'll have to wait til the end of the SoC & see what happens

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Juski:

gardengnome: I'd have thought somebody else would've noticed by now

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sixy:

still cant fix this – it gets confused if you try two channels simultaneuosly with the guide but works if you do it manually by pressing r in livetv – any ideas?

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gardengnome:

Juski: they probably did, but i remember a thread where they had that problem so i posted it there

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Juski:

gardengnome: I used to think forums were okay til I saw that one. 14 pages of one thread :-/ and translate.google.com sometimes doesn't work

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adante:

any dvb owners around.. i'm having some trouble scanning channels

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sixy:

what country?

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adante:

australia

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sixy:

and tv card etc

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adante:

umm i forget

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Juski:

dvb-t eh...

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adante:

a twinhan visionplus dvb-t.. compro videomate t300, and... i forget,

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Juski:

increase your tuning timeout about five-fold first of all

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adante:

ok :]

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Juski:

is this with 0.19, 0.19-fixes or svn btw?

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adante:

svn

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sixy:

we got some mileage out of manually specifiyng transports – dunno if you can get that info for australia but over here they are availiable on the net

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Juski:

there's a known problem with some drivers – the scan might work but the frequency info won't be reported properly

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geemark:

ok, so I finally fixed the weird error (don't ask how) – now it complaints over missing firmware when I "modprobe ivtv" – but I already build and installed a firmware package with the "ivtv-make-fwpkg" command

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adante:

hm ok

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adante:

well i have a working channels.conf

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adante:

but when i try importing the data in, it doesn't work

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adante:

tzap of the same channels.conf and mplayer doesn't have any problems however

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sixy:

geemark – does that comile both the video and audio firmwares?

[13:13:30]

adante:

also, when i try to exit mythtv-setup, it says Card 0 (type ) is set to start on channel 2

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geemark:

sixy: i'm not sure, but I can see that it complaints about a file that is actually present

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adante:

not sure what card that is? because it also lists Card 3 (i have 3 cards)

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geemark:

"ivtv0: did you put the firmware in the hotplug firmware directory?" <-- where would that be?

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geemark:

will I have to enable PCI hotplug in the kernel?

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sixy:

geemark – this may help http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu

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sixy:

but if pci hotplug isnt enabled, then i owuld guess that it needs to be

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Kyler:

Last night I finally got the svn version to compile with XvMC support. Without any changes to setup, the CPU usage went down to about 50%. Changing the MPEG2 output to XvMC seems to have no effect. Can I verify that XvMC is used?

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Kyler:

Oops! I just noticed that my setup change wasn't saved...

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sixy:

has anyone had any issues with ivtv cards not working with the epg?

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Kyler:

Crap! Now it's changed but anytime I go back to setup->playback it segfaults.

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adante:

i always forget this

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adante:

where is the option to make the menus old style

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Kyler:

O.k., no more segfaults and "VIA XvMC" is selected but I'm not seeing any change in CPU usage.

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adante:

so that there's a tv section, a videos section, a.. etc section

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Kyler:

Also...is there any way to tell mythfrontend to wait to start a TV program longer? Often, especially when all four capture cards are in use on my backend, I'll select a program, the screen will go black and after a few seconds it will act like I watched the program and ask if I want to delete it. If I decline and then try to watch it again it works.

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sixy:

how does rtjpeg comprea to mpeg4? mpeg i am familiar with but rtjpeg is an animal new to me....

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Juski:

try mounting an nfs share to the same location as your recordings are stored... e.g. if your stuff is in /video/videorec on the backend, mount an nfs share of that dir to /video/videorec on the frontend

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geemark:

sixy: FYI, I was missing the "udev" package, I only had hotplug in the kernel ;) thanks for your help

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sixy:

no problem. didnt know udev was a requirement for ivtv.. that should really be mentioned somewhere

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gardengnome:

Juski: or just set RecordedFilePrefix for the frontend hostname.

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Juski:

heh. didn't know that one

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gardengnome:

quite handy. the easy way is to run mythtv-setup and set it there

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Juski:

would that make programme guide loading quicker too? my frontend in the livingroom takes way too long

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gardengnome:

is your program guide stored in RecordedFilePrefix? ;)

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Juski:

ah

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Juski:

I could just copy the icons over to the cramfs

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Juski:

won't add much size

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gardengnome:

are the icons streamed?

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Juski:

don't appear to be

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ben:

I am annoyed.

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ben:

I was probably stupid for assuming that connecting my frontend to my television via a s-video > scart converter was going to actually work..

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Merlin83b:

So you annoyed yourself by being stupid?

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Merlin83b:

Good job!

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ben:

anywho..

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ben:

I tried it with a mepis livecd to test

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ben:

and it's fine until it launches X, at which point it becomes black and white...

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ben:

resolution problem?

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kayelem:

ben, possibly your TV doesn't support s-video on the SCART – set it to composite...

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ben:

tried that also

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kayelem:

my Mitsubishi doesn't accept seperate luminance and chrominance (aka "s-video") on SCART.

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ben:

i.e. got a composite > scart cable

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ben:

black and white as well

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kayelem:

wrong colour encoding (PAL/NTSC)?

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ben:

anyway it works before X is started, at BIOS res..

[14:46:13]

ben:

nope, if it were NTSC it wouldn't work

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ben:

at all

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Merlin83b:

It's only looking for composite on the scart.

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kayelem:

my PAL set accepts NTSC video but displays in black and white.

[14:46:34]

Merlin83b:

That ends up showing as black and white it you stuff an s-video signal in.

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ben:

it's only looking for scart, I'm sure.

[14:47:03]

Merlin83b:

Yes, that's the problem.

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ben:

composite works, until X

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kayelem:

Merlin83b, except some SCART-equipped sets do accept s-video. Luminance on the composite pin and chroma on the red video in, iirc.

[14:47:31]

Merlin83b:

SCART is just the cable – normally composite goes down the wire. A lot of TVs won't take s-video on the scart input.

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ben:

ok..

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Merlin83b:

kayelem: I know, mine does.

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ben:

so composite is ok

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Merlin83b:

Should be, yes.

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ben:

until X starts

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kayelem:

older SCART sets can take RGB+sync or composite; later ones can take RGB, s-video or composite.

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Merlin83b:

Do you see colours?

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ben:

until X starts, yes.

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ben:

afterward, no colours.

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Merlin83b:

Then you probably need to play with your X config file.

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ben:

I tried it with the shiny computery tv downstairs, and it's fine, so it must be the pc

[14:48:50]

ben:

yes, I probably do.

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ben:

*tv

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kayelem:

ben, where are you? NTSC-land or PAL-land?

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ben:

PAL-land.

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kayelem:

most modern sets will lock to either, but display no colour with the wrong colour encoding.

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ben:

the bios is set by default to NTSC, which I changed to PAL.

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Merlin83b:

You will need to tell X that too, I think.

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ben:

merlin, why?

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kayelem:

my PAL set's 15 years old and locks to NTSC

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kayelem:

X doesn't use BIOS

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Merlin83b:

ben: Because you do!

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kayelem:

you'll have to set PAL in the X config.

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ben:

ok..

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ben:

when I get an actual installation of linux on there, I'll look that up then

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ben:

I thought that PAL/NTSC was controlled by the hardware

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kayelem:

it is, under software control...

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kayelem:

most cards can do either.

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kayelem:

manufacturers don't like making 2 different cards, one for PAL and another for NTSC

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ben:

it's onboard

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kayelem:

ok... s/card/onboard chipset/

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ben:

the whole thing is onboard

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ben:

there are no PCI slots in the case

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kayelem:

the software programs a PLL to generate video timings and colour subcarrier and switches the TV encoder.

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ben:

hooray.

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kayelem:

so you set your TV-out in the X config for your colour system and it works. Same mobo can be sold in PAL and NTSC contries.

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ben:

so essentially the _thing which should be doing it all the time_ is doing it correctly, but X is overriding it.

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kayelem:

no.

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kayelem:

X uses a seperate driver.

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kayelem:

you have to configure that driver correctly.

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ben:

very well

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ben:

oh well, at least it's not a hardware problem

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kayelem:

nothing's overriding anything, but most X drivers default to NTSC unless you tell them otherwise. The setting in BIOS for consoles has no bearing on what X does.

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ben:

hooray for nonsensical PC design, I'd love to kill IBM..

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kayelem:

Tell BIOS to do PAL and consoles work; tell X to do PAL and X works.

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ben:

ok

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ben:

heh

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kayelem:

NTSC countries are the biggest market hence drivers default to it.

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ben:

I have just been told that NTSC stands for Never The Same Colour

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gardengnome:

NTSC countries are overrated.

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gardengnome:

(yes, a 30W NTSC country is usually only 25W.)

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gardengnome:

kayelem: vengeance is sweet ;)

[14:57:15]

kayelem:

NTSC = Never Twive the Same Colour. SECAM = System Essentially Contrary to the American Method. PAL = Perfection At Last ;-)

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kayelem:

gardengnome, :-P

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kayelem:

-v+c

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kayelem:

damn my typign...

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ben:

NTSC = Never The Same Colour; NTSC-Two: Never The Same Colour Twice, as far as I remember.

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ben:

where the hell uses SECAM? sounds like japan

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kayelem:

France

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ben:

oh.

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ben:

only france?

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gardengnome:

kayelem: you fleed last time i asked you how/if i could fix my broken tv :) the colours are wrong on some parts of the screen, any advice? well, they're not really wrong, usually it's fine, but sometimes (when the picture is rather bright on that spots), it's red-ish.

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kayelem:

After PAL, SECAM seems nicely deranged... *two* subcarrier frequencies... wha...?!

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kayelem:

gardengnome, can you try pure red only, then green only, then blue only screens?

[14:59:52]

kayelem:

If any of those have purity issues you need a proper degauss with an external coil.

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gardengnome:

kayelem: yes, that should be possible. there's a computer hooked up :)

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gardengnome:

kayelem: is that, umm, expensive?

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kayelem:

I also have issues with my 15-year-old Mitsubishi with the shadowmask heating up and warping on bright white areas, which makes those areas go brown-ish.

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gardengnome:

sounds like it's not easy to fix

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kayelem:

gardengnome, nope – I made one. Lots of enamelled copper wire would in a coil about 1.5 feet diam, insulated, and connected straight across the mains...

[15:02:09]

kayelem:

Or try a tape-head demagnetiser, though they're not as powerful.

[15:02:36]

kayelem:

the shadowmask in colour CRTs is steel, and can get magnetised, resulting in colour purity issues.

[15:02:46]

gardengnome:

kayelem: well, i meant if it was done in a shop. building such a coil sounds like an easy way to kill myself.

[15:03:01]

kayelem:

the "shadowmask heating up and warping" issue is fixable by turning the contrast down...

[15:03:28]

kayelem:

...as it's down to electron bombardment warming up the shadowmask...

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geemark:

the XDriver for the PVR-350 – how do I install that? all it says in the guide (http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:XDriver), is the download link

[15:03:49]

gardengnome:

contrast == voltage in the CRT?

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** gardengnome is gonna have a class test about this kind of stuff tomorrow :) **

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kayelem:

gardengnome, well, "brightness" is a fixed DC offset; "contrast" is the amount of gain applied to the video.

[15:04:52]

gardengnome:

humm, contrast might be some kind of amplitude or deltaV

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kayelem:

so you're supposed to set brightness so that black is black, then set contrast to get the sesired peak white level.

[15:05:19]

kayelem:

*desired

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gardengnome:

but amplitude would imply AC, nevermind. ;)

[15:05:56]

kayelem:

video's sorta AC, but with a fixed DC baseline. iyswim.

[15:06:18]

kayelem:

Standard video levels: black = 0V, peak white = +0.7V

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kayelem:

the brighter the picture the more electrons are hitting the phosphors – and the shadowmask...

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gardengnome:

that reminds me that i really should configure my TVs properly. and mythtv, of course.

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kayelem:

gardengnome, proper way to set TVs and monitors: Turn contrast right down. Adjust brightness so you *just* see the screen light a bit on black areas, then back it off so black areas are only *just* dark. Then leave it alone and adjust contrast control only for desired picture brightness.

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gardengnome:

I'm gonna put that in my todo list on mythwiki.de ;)

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gardengnome:

kayelem: how would i adjust colour?

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kayelem:

if using composite or s-video, do this with the colour control right down as well – get a good black and white pic first, only then add colour.

[15:11:50]

gardengnome:

ah, right. color shouldn't really matter when using RGB.

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kayelem:

indeed :)

[15:12:37]

gardengnome:

i'll have to convert all my mythtv boxen to use RGB then. :)

[15:13:36]

kayelem:

some sets have a slight interdependance between contrast & brightness controls; i sometimes have to study a black area of testcard with the contrast up; and adjust the brightness again so the scanlines only *just* disappear on black bits.

[15:14:49]

kayelem:

it's definitely preferable to do this on colourbars or a testcard.

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gardengnome:

i'll have to get some good test cards.

[15:15:10]

kayelem:

setting up a TV/monitor on off-air pictures is very hit and miss.

[15:15:31]

kayelem:

Get "test card F", that's one of the best there is...

[15:15:42]

kayelem:

everything an engineer needs in a testcard :)

[15:16:19]

gardengnome:

heh. by testcard, are we talking about a piece of cardboard with stuff printed on it?

[15:16:52]

kayelem:

Originally, yes – they had an easel with a camera pointed at it with an actual card – hence the name.

[15:17:19]

kayelem:

now they're generally electronically generated but the name's stuck.

[15:17:46]

gardengnome:

ah, ok. so it's just a matter of opening a jpg file on my tv-out

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[Ex0r]:

How does one install themes downloaded from the mythtv.org website ? I put it in my ~/.mythtv/themecache/ directory

[15:18:02]

kayelem:

yup.

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kayelem:

gardengnome, I have a few; testcards A, C, D and F and some old BBC and ITV tuning signals in MythGallery :)

[15:19:26]

gardengnome:

[Ex0r]: there's a README file included, IIRC

[15:19:35]

kayelem:

gardengnome, I use this to make them – http://www.oodletuz.fsnet.co.uk/soft/tcmaker.htm

[15:19:37]

gardengnome:

kayelem: nice :) are they copyrighted?

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[Ex0r]:

gardengnome, not on this one.

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kayelem:

gardengnome, plenty of TCD files for it – http://www.oodletuz.fsnet.co.uk/tcd/ukcards.htm

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** gardengnome wonders if the GF would appreciate a test card with her picture in it **

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kayelem:

heh

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kayelem:

gardengnome, my main one is a modified 4:3 version of Test Card C – but then, that is a 405-line one...

[15:24:15]

gardengnome:

i just need good old PAL :)

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gardengnome:

i wonder if these test cards are any good for adjusting overscan

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kayelem:

F is the *definitive* PAL 625 test card... :)

[15:24:52]

kayelem:

gardengnome, yes, that's what the edge castellations are for.

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kayelem:

gardengnome, you see the arrows on TCF, at centre top/bottom/left/right? Where the points meet is where the edge of the screen should be.

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kayelem:

When overscan's set correctly, you should just about see the edge castellations on the cards at the centres of the edges; the curvier the CRT the more the corners disappear off-screen.

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h0ser:

i am trying to get mythstreamtv working (mythweb is running fine) but when i run the install.sh it says no such file Default/theme.php – oops no support for this version – any ideas?

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gardengnome:

kayelem: thanks, you're awesome :)

[15:29:55]

kayelem:

gardengnome, heh, no i'm not – just played with video and TV sets a lot :-)

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gardengnome:

heh

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gardengnome:

looks like my wine install won't play nicely with tcmaker.

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kayelem:

gardengnome, I remember reading something somewhere about "what all the stuff on test cards is for" – I'll try to find it.

[15:31:10]

ben:

wine plays nicely with nothing

[15:31:22]

ben:

I tried to play quake with cedega yesterday.

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ben:

it took it about four seconds to get an unhandled exception and crash.

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ben:

and it runs like doom 3 on dosbox

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gardengnome:

umm

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gardengnome:

wtf did you install the windows version of quake?

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ben:

I'm not going to piss about compiling it with gcc, if that's what you mean.

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dev:

piss around? lol

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dev:

yeah its real freaking tough, 'make'

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dev:

heh

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ben:

hrrm.

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ben:

why can nobody redistribute a deb or something?

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ben:

*mutter*

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dev:

well, you'll find a deb package for the q3demo /q2 demo /q1 demo

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dev:

then you'll need to replace the pkgs with retail versions from your cd and you're done

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kayelem:

gardengnome, hmm... I've yet to try tcmaker with wine... it's not a particularly resource-hungry app and as far as I can tell doesn't use directx or anything. I'd have expected it to work.

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ben:

ok

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gardengnome:

kayelem: so do i. it requires windows 95.

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kayelem:

I've pondered porting it to unix. well, more "writing an app that does the same thing and reads the same tcd files" than porting.

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ben:

everyone loves google. why doesn't it find what I want, rather than reviews of quake?

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dev:

a good $$$ app for linux would be something decent to view visios

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dev:

koffice sucks

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gardengnome:

ben: shitty search terms.

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ben:

"quake demo deb"?

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kayelem:

atm i have a P150 laptop with '98 on and mostly use it for tcmaker

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gardengnome:

kayelem: i'm gonna see if i have some luck with winecfg

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ben:

I fail to see how

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gardengnome:

ben: "quake demo debian packages"

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gardengnome:

anyways, i'm not here to hold your hand while you're googling.

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mchou:

wow, I didnt know this: http://sprinkleofcocoa.blogspot.com/2006/07/o . . . y-is-my.html

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ben:

"quake -2 -II -3 demo deb|"debian packages""

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ben:

will help

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dev:

cant you just search your repository for them or something?

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mchou:

of course the dude is using a power hungry P4

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ben:

tbh it didn't occur to me that ubuntu would distribute a deb of it, but there's one of quake 2

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gardengnome:

mchou: nvram and friends could help :)

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gardengnome:

i yet have to set that up

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mchou:

gardengnome: you mean nvram-wakeup?

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gardengnome:

mchou: yep

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mchou:

gardengnome: I prefer wol from my linksys router

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gardengnome:

my asus pundit needs a reboot, but my grub is broken. :/

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gardengnome:

mchou: i could do that, too.

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mchou:

gardengnome: only problem with linksys router wol is if power goes out

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gardengnome:

get a UPS :)

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mchou:

gardengnome: clock will be badly off

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h0ser:

is mythweb (.19) suppose to have a theme.php my old version on mythtv.17 has it, but not now (and mythstreamtv is failing because of it) but mythweb is running fine without it...

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kayelem:

what is this of which you speak? Computer suspends, then wakes up in time for a scheduled recording?

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gardengnome:

kayelem: right.

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Neeesat25:

Juski are you around?

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Neeesat25:

Can someone please see the problem I got with LiveTV at http://pastebin.ca/78803 ?

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geemark:

how do I start something graphical on the MythTV box? there is no keyboard attached, can I use SSH to start graphical applications without redirecting the X output over SSH?

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dev:

yes

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Merlin83b:

export DISPLAY=:0

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Merlin83b:

Then run whatever it is you want.

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h0ser:

can someone check if they have "theme.php" inside of their mythweb dir? (.19)

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gardengnome:

h0ser: svn.mythtv.org browse the source for 0.19 there.

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h0ser:

nope, dont see it, i dont think mythstreamtv works with the latest mythweb...

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h0ser:

anyone get mythmovietime working? i cant find a place to download it...

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mirak:

hello

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mirak:

I transfered the mysql database to another installation

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mirak:

I am not sure what to do to reuse settings in the database

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geemark:

any clues as to how I make the pvr-350 remote control work with lirc / myth-setup?

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[Ex0r]:

yeah I had a question about that. Do you set the IR Blaster to work with the PVR remote, or the cable box remote ?

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j2^:

geemark: The only problem i had was that i had the "new" remote, for which the normal 350-remote-lirc-template-file does not work. RIght file: Presto :)

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mirak:

anyone know how to reuse the settings of an old mythtv install ?

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mirak:

I am in a hurry

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mirak:

:)

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geemark:

j2^: I'm having trouble setting up lirc I think – for instance what should I state under "device" and "driver" in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf =

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geemark:

make that hardware.conf

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gardengnome:

mirak: the settings are per-hostname, so you'll have to change the hostname of your machine or use the unique identifier stuff (iirc) or do so sqlmagic

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mirak:

it's the same

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mirak:

hem no I changed it

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mirak:

in fact it's a secondary system on same driver for same system

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j2^:

geemark: I dont even have a hardware.conf (my current box is a 0.17 if that has any bearing).

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mirak:

gardengnome: could you be a bit more precise ?

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gardengnome:

mirak: no, sorry.

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mirak:

where is that hostname thing ?

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mirak:

it's mysql setting or mythtsetting ?

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gardengnome:

look at the structure of the settings table and you'll understand

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mirak:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.

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mirak:

ah

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geemark:

j2^: "i2c IR (Hauppauge): unknown key: key=0x25 raw=0x37a5 down=0" (from dmesg) – any clues? "irw" reports nothing

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Alien|Freak:

i have a pvr-250 tv input card... should the ivtv module work or do I need anything else?

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Anduin:

j2^: If everything else were right, it would be a bug (the clipping issue). Most people just have a buggy font collection, bad DPI settings, are profoundly unlucky, etc.

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Anduin:

Alien|Freak: Yes.

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mirak:

gardengnome: ok I changed the hostname in all rows

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geemark:

is it even possible to use the remote in myth-setup?

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geemark:

oh wait – it works – but the keys are all mixed up

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Alien|Freak:

ivtv won't compile with my kernel.... i'll look at it later.... thx

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geemark:

j2^: you mentioned something about an alternate lirc config?

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cliffd:

once along time ago I found a page on the myth tv wiki that had all the various distros that people had documented installing mythtv with. anyone know where that page is?

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power1:

Any1 here purchased the hauppauge pvr-150 retail version with built in IR receiver and IR transmitter?

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alieas:

Is anyone successfully splitting coax and decoding QAM? I've tried 2.4ghz splitters to no prevail, and am looking at possibly amplifying the signal before the splitter...

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alieas:

2.4ghz splitter is dropping signal from 100% to around 80%

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bootleg:

is this normal? if i schedule a recording it goes into the 'all program's group in the media library, if i am channel surfing and hit R to record it puts it into the live tv group and I press R again to stop recording (and i have to flip back and forth) but if i exit mythfrontend and come back in the live tv group has been erased... ?

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bootleg:

i cant show the live tv group and the scheduled recordings at the same time was problem 1, bigger problem was the live tv auto deletes

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Anduin:

bootleg: You can view both by adjusting the filter (hit m), yes, live TV auto expires quickly (though R ones should not).

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bootleg:

yeah, i press R it says recording, then I hit R when im done, it says cancelled, but it shows up in the library till i exit and go back in

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geemark:

can I in either ivtvdev or X.org in general determine the offset on the tv screen? parts of the picture are further out than the screen border!

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Anduin:

bootleg: And when you don't press R again?

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bootleg:

anduin: when i hit M i can either show live TV, or all, but not both

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bootleg:

anduin, it keeps recording

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bootleg:

but sometimes i just want to record a clip

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Anduin:

bootleg: And which group does it end up in?

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bootleg:

and dont want to go into the scheduling group

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bootleg:

anduin,. the live tv group

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Anduin:

bootleg: And it really expires (the R one)?

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bootleg:

yep

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bootleg:

the only ones that are left are the ones i scheduled

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power1:

Does any1 know if knoppmyth supports the built in ir blaster (transmitter that comes with the hauppauge pvr-150?

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Juski:

alieas: YMMV with splitting when you don't use an amplifier

[18:03:06]

Juski:

power1: I imagine it does. why not download it & take it for a spin?

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power1:

Juski, ive got it up and running and working well..its just that i need it to change channels on set top box, but dont have a clue how to go about doing this (non USA user..alas!)

[18:05:27]

Anduin:

bootleg: I can't reproduce it, R recordings are tagged as Default if you let them finish. R isn't there to make clips either, it will record the current program or it won't.

[18:06:02]

alieas:

Juski: do you think I should go with a in-line amplifier before the splitter? I've been looking on eBay for weeks I don't know what to order. They seem to cap out at 900mhz too...

[18:06:18]

Juski:

power1: you need to find the list of codes for the IR blaster which AFAIK all reside in a massive lircd.conf file on the net somewhere

[18:06:34]

alieas:

http://cgi.ebay.com/25dB-Cable-TV-HDTV-Signal . . . cmdZViewItem

[18:06:51]

power1:

Juski, thanks

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Juski:

alieas: better still, get an amp with 2 outputs, or an adjustable one

[18:07:08]

Juski:

power1: which stb are you looking to control?

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alieas:

Juski: ok, check this out

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alieas:

http://cgi.ebay.com/HDTV-TV-MODEM-BI-DIRECTIO . . . cmdZViewItem

[18:08:36]

Juski:

alieas: the bandwidth of that one is unknown

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power1:

Juski, I am in south africa, there is only 1 sattelite provider , and they are not very forthcoming with sharing information and the box is re-branded with their logo..so i dunno what model number it actually is.

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alieas:

yeah, thats what I'm scared of

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Juski:

power1: ouch

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Juski:

power1: I think there's a script you can use that cycles through all the available codes & sends a 'power' command to each one in turn so you can find out which code you need

[18:11:12]

Juski:

http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/send_power_new

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alieas:

I know a lot of people are running multiple pcHDTV cards, could there be a high end video supply retailer online that carriers rock-solid HDTV coax stuff?

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gardengnome:

Juski: BTW, the s100 is in the garden now and i'm happily watching TV. playback is smooth, usually, but sometimes it kicks me back to the menu. i suppose the connection is getting dropped then

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bitlogic:

I'm trying to install mythtv-database debian package but I'm getting an error on acessing to database giving permission denied on acess to database

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bitlogic:

I created a password for mysql and where can I put it to give to the installation script?

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sigger_:

bitlogic: I'm trying debian install too, but I'm getting some pkgs as uninstallable

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Led-Hed:

anyone here using Pluto Home?

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sigger_:

bitlogic: you obviously got it installed. what distro?

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bitlogic:

sigger_, mine all worked fine except mysql-database but that a problem on acessing to databse

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bitlogic:

debian

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sigger_:

what flavor debian? I'm using Damn Small Linux

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Juski:

sigger_: interesting. how small is small? ;-)

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sigger_:

50MB base distro. DAMN small

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bitlogic:

sigger_, what do you mean?

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Juski:

sigger_: right, but how small when mythtv & stuff is on there?

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sigger_:

hehe, help me get it installed and I can tell you ;)

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Juski:

haha.

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bitlogic:

:)

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sigger_:

bitlogic, didn't know if it was an offshoot (e.g. Damn Small Linux)

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bitlogic:

http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/

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sigger_:

ya

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bitlogic:

this is based on Debian?

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sigger_:

it can become debian

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bitlogic:

"Transform into a Debian OS with a traditional hard drive install" isn't an option to do this?

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gardengnome:

bitlogic: dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database may help

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sigger_:

I run it as livecd but I have full access to apt stuff

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bitlogic:

gardengnome, the error is Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1

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bitlogic:

so it's an access problem to the database

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Juski:

here's a DSL mythtv howto – or what passes for one... http://damnsmalllinux.org/cgi-bin/forums/ikon . . . t=4688;st=20

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bitlogic:

I'm googling around to see If I figure out howto clear root password of mysql

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gardengnome:

bitlogic: man mysqladmin

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Juski:

http://www.mysql.com/doc/R/e/Resetting_permissions.html

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** Juski can google **

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scales:

anyone know how to change the visualization while you are playing music

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Juski:

scales: you don't

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scales:

awww

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bitlogic:

gardengnome, I don't know anything about mysql. When I don't have to put password when I invole mysql is there a password on database or not?

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scales:

boohoo

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Juski:

another happy customer

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Juski:

gardengnome: btw good news about the s100 then :-) pity about the wireless

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gardengnome:

Juski: no, i realized that the clock was wrong on the frontend. that's *likely* the issue.

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gardengnome:

Juski: and, umm, you can change the vis while you're playing music :)

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gardengnome:

bitlogic: just set a password via mysqladmin and you'll be happy

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Juski:

gardengnome: you can? would that be the 'L' key for 'lame visuals' then? :-P

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gardengnome:

Juski: 6, i think.

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bitlogic:

gardengnome, thanks, I have to go for now

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Juski:

never seen it in the docs. you must have to dig a bit harder...

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gardengnome:

Juski: heh :) when i first used mythmusic, i just put a friend of mine in front of it and told him to figure it out for me

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Juski:

ahh.. read somewhere that it's F4

[19:01:35]

Juski:

oh no... it's 6

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Juski:

the wiki really needs a default keybindings page

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xris:

happy blow-things-up day to all the americans...

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xris:

and a "nyah!" to Juski and the other brits. ;)

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gardengnome:

hrm. happy soccer idiocy day tome.

[19:08:14]

gardengnome:

to me*

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xris:

gardengnome: finals?

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Juski:

happy think manflu is leaving my body at last day, to me

[19:09:37]

gardengnome:

xris: not yet. but we're close. italy vs germany tonight.

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xris:

ooh, that'll be tough

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gardengnome:

if i was mean, i'd given my experimental frontend to my dad. :>

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gardengnome:

anyways, bbq time.

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Juski:

morning Coume

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power1:

Juski, thanks for the earlier post......was away...

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Juski:

heh. np

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Juski:

added stuff to the wiki since nobody else was bothering

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Juski:

xris: here's one in yer eye. I can hear fireworks! So much for today being just for the Americans.. or is it just that we brits like to celebrate defeat? ;-)

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xris:

lol

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xris:

I've been hearing fireworks for like 2 weeks.

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Juski:

we're just so damn good at getting beaten :-P

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opello:

Juski: maybe they're celebrating the discovery launch :)

[19:21:44]

Juski:

I dunno how to take that

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Mattwj2005:

the lauch was a success?

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Juski:

I hope it wasn't meant in bad taste

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opello:

yeah

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Mattwj2005:

awesome! :D

[19:22:16]

opello:

about 30–40 minutes ago

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opello:

was spectacular to watch, if just on tv

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Juski:

it was almost worth buying digital video essentials if only for the shuttle launch bits

[19:23:22]

Juski:

but I bet you guys had it in HD

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opello:

not i :(

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Mattwj2005:

I kinda of have HD :-P

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Coume:

afternoon juski :)

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geemark:

is it possible to change the language in the frontend after i already ran mythtv-setup ?

[19:39:50]

Juski:

yup

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Juski:

utils/setup > setup > general

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Coume:

Juski, did you have a big thunderstorm?

[19:43:41]

Juski:

massive

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Juski:

had 3 reboots on sunday

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Coume:

eheh we had a big one this afternoon :) it broke the windows of the hospital. even the generator of GM broke down, and we had the *ice ball* falling

[19:45:33]

Coume:

the thing I loved on radio... it was the small one, the biggest one is for tomorrow :0 lol

[19:47:14]

Juski:

yikes

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Juski:

our windows were shaking here

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Juski:

never seen the likes of it in the UK befor

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Coume:

same here... never seen that in Europe in fact :)

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Coume:

anyway, the sky looks ok so I pop in to check the emails but will soon disconnect the plugs from TV etc...

[19:49:12]

Coume:

oh yeah I had a quesiton from a colleague about MythTV... no idea what to answer him :)

[19:50:23]

Juski:

yeh I had to do that carefully on sunday

[19:50:38]

Juski:

the myth box is ok cos the aerial is in the attic, but not the main tv one

[19:50:45]

Coume:

Let's say you use freeview tuners and set a recording, but the previous end up later than forecasted... is there a way to receive this info to postpone the recording>

[19:51:51]

Coume:

I know that my scenium VCR was abl;e to do that in France... but have no clue if that is possible with Mythtv :/

[19:52:28]

xris:

Coume: people have talked about trying to figure out how to do that, but I don't think anyone has.

[19:52:35]

gardengnome:

VPS prolly?

[19:53:02]

Coume:

VPS? Virtual private server?

[19:53:18]

Juski:

video programming system?

[19:53:22]

Coume:

xris, ok :)

[19:53:45]

gardengnome:

video porn server. :)

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Juski:

Coume: it's called EIT and will soon be working better in svn, so roll on 0.20

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Juski:

if you use EIT, if the now-next info changes, myth reschedules I think

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Coume:

interesting Juski :) is it restricted to freeview or also work with aerial tv?

[19:56:16]

Juski:

restricted to DVB only.. so yeah freeview

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Coume:

thxs :) I will go to bed more clever tonight :P

[19:56:49]

Juski:

though somebody could implement it for analogue with VBI data

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Juski:

not much point though since analogue is going bye-bye ;-)

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Coume:

Juski, it is in 2–3 years in the uk?

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Juski:

by 2008 for some places. by the end of 2012 for all of the UK

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Juski:

and then we might get some HD... yay only 6 years to wait :-/

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Coume:

ok, in France it will be ... late as usual

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Juski:

heh

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Coume:

ok washing machine time! See ya tomorrow :)

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Mattwj2005:

it sounds like DBS-S will be sweet though

[20:09:48]

Mattwj2005:

lot of unencrypted channels for free

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Mattwj2005:

*lots

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Mattwj2005:

I wish the US was planning on such a setup

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j2^:

Is there such a thing as an ethernet connected IR-transmitter? My front end doesnt have any serial or USB ports.

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Juski:

sounds like a really lame frontend

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RandomDude15:

could I have an s-video cord coming from my cable box to my tv card?

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LoneShadow:

you want IR blaster or receiver ?

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Anduin:

RandomDude15: Yes, picture should even be better.

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Juski:

RandomDude15: yes of course

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** gardengnome does that **

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j2^:

LoneShadow: Blaster.

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RandomDude15:

I get sound right? (sorry for the stupid questions but someone said i wouldnt get sound if i did that)

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gardengnome:

it would be fun to capture RGB

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LoneShadow:

shouldnt the IR blaster be on the backend, I am not using one

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j2^:

Juski: Well, it _works_ and it is tiny :)

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LoneShadow:

but I would expect it to be on my backend

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Anduin:

RandomDude15: You'll need to run an audio cable.

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gardengnome:

RandomDude15: my pvr 250 has additional sound connectors where my dbox2 is plugged in.

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Juski:

actually most if not all video decoders can take RGB input

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j2^:

LoneShadow: Yes, but my back end is no where near my cable boxes

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LoneShadow:

err

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LoneShadow:

where is your backend recording from ?

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RandomDude15:

my tv card that I plan on getting

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RandomDude15:

is a PVR 150

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Juski:

they can also take component.. the ones used on the pvr series of cards can – just not implemented

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RandomDude15:

this one to be exact

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RandomDude15:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116633

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j2^:

LoneShadow: Antenna connector, and a SVIDEO extender that actually runs over fiber :)

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Juski:

lol

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** xris loves raspberry season **

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Juski:

you can run svideo & stereo audio over one cat5 cable – much cheaper

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gardengnome:

looks like i could get an even better wireless frontend experience ;) if i kicked the 802.11b nodes from my 802.11g netowkr

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j2^:

Juski: Not when you get the stuff for free :)

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Juski:

ah

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j2^:

So.. is there a blaster with an ethernet port?

[20:25:16]

Juski:

so what's the frontend box which doesn't have USB ports then?

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RandomDude15:

so could I do it?

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LoneShadow:

j2^: I am not aware of one

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Juski:

anyway – the backend should do the ir blasting not the frontend

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j2^:

Juski: Industrial PC, that used to be a HVAC controller.

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Juski:

you could make an ethernet controlled ir blaster though.. with a Rabbit module

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j2^:

Actually... I seem to remember a German company which made some rather expensive IR modules. Any idea what their name was?

[20:27:08]

Juski:

http://www.rabbitsemiconductor.com/

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Juski:

;-)

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RandomDude15:

and could someone tell me what the white and red things on the PVR 150 are?

[20:27:41]

Juski:

audio inputs, like it says in the FM

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xris:

RandomDude15: the audio input jacks?

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j2^:

LoneShadow: FOund it: http://www.irtrans.de/en/shop/lancontrol.php PRICEY tho :)

[20:28:54]

j2^:

oh.. cheaper: http://www.irtrans.de/en/shop/lan.php but still expensive.

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Juski:

maybe you could hack a router to do it :-P

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j2^:

Wait... i wonder if there are USB headers on the mobo on this thing....

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j2^:

Then again, a frontend cant really change channels for a b-end.

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xris:

j2^: huh? that's how livetv works

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gardengnome:

isn't it possible to use a IR receiver over the soundcard?

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Juski:

aye

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j2^:

xris: yeah.. but in this case i would need to generate a channel change on the back end, and some how tell the front end to send a command through the blaster?

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xris:

ahh

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Anduin:

j2^: You could use a hacked up external channel change script.

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Anduin:

I wouldn't want my channel change script to ssh, but one could.

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xris:

backend channel change script uses ssh to run the actual channel change script on the other machine.

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RandomDude15:

will this work for s video out from my cable box and into my tv card? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812105819

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j2^:

Anduin: Yeah, thats right.... Then again.. i would prefer to keep the f-end out of this, since it would mean running that as well 24/7.

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xris:

using ssh keys you could make it so that the only command run would be the one you want.. no real security risk

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xris:

oh, hmm, that wouldn't work, since I don't think hou can pass in args like that for command restrictions

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Anduin:

j2^: IR repeater then, it isn't impossible.

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j2^:

Anduin: Would need to be RF-based.

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j2^:

(yes, i am a troublesome one.... :) )

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Anduin:

j2^: No TV for you then.

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Anduin:

Or only watch one channel, much easier.

[20:36:06]

j2^:

Anduin: Well, i did find a ethernet driven blaster... but it was a bit pricey.

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Anduin:

j2^: I find it hard to believe there isn't a serial connection somewhere on there.

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RandomDude15:

anyone answer my question?

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Anduin:

RandomDude15: Yes, an S-Video cable will work for S-Video connections.

[20:38:53]

RandomDude15:

good.

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RandomDude15:

just checking

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j2^:

Anduin: Yeah, i just found 2 RS232-headers, and a USB-header... Then again, as i said.. Afer thinking this through, i would like to keep the front end box out of the equation...

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RandomDude15:

im looking for red/white audio cables in and out

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RandomDude15:

now

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RandomDude15:

on newegg

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bjohnson:

anybody have a DVD image of a fireplace on a repeating loop? How about an aquarium? (just got a LCD TV and want to play)

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Juski:

get me some footage & I could loop it

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bjohnson:

must be something available .. I'll see what I can find

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xris:

I've seen a killer 3d fish screensaver on the windows boxes for sale at costco. no idea what it is,though

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Juski:

cheap as anything.. cheaper than my time, fer sure: http://www.customflix.com/212476

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gardengnome:

"an american flag blowing in the wind" – i want that! i need it!

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bjohnson:

xris: yeah .. some great winblows screensavers .. nothing like them available for linux

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Juski:

the fishtank one is on the XGL demo video

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Juski:

I wanna see the video of the motorway that was closed because of all the england flags drivers just threw out of the cars :-P

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gardengnome:

did that happen?

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Juski:

apparently

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Juski:

so fickle :-P

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gardengnome:

rotfl

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Juski:

they 'spat the dummy' out.. they 'threw the toys out of the pram'

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j2^:

Ok, this is kind of amazing.. P4 2.4GHz, also running WMware server with a Windows 2003+Exchange, with a PVR-500 recording two shows at 720x576 with 6000 and 7500 bit rate settings... Still only 75% CPU usage...

[20:52:08]

gardengnome:

xris: what exactly are those perl bindings gonna do? i can't find a readme file in svn

[20:52:37]

gardengnome:

j2^: well, recording from a pvr 500 shouldn't take more than 3–4% :) it's just I/O

[20:52:56]

j2^:

gardengnome: Yeah, i know that... But it still better then i thought :)

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gardengnome:

hehe

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j2^:

Oh, wait.. my old 0.17 box recorded to .nuv even from the PVR... but in .19 it seem to go straight to mpg?

[20:54:14]

gardengnome:

j2^: it's just the correct extension in 0.19

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xris:

gardengnome: talk to the backend, get info about recordings,etc.

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gardengnome:

xris: ah, nice

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xris:

wanted to stop with the hassle of having to make specific versions of nuvexport for specific versions of the backend.

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bjohnson:

http://www.mbayaq.org/efc/video_library/video_library.aspx

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xris:

of course, if mythexport happens, nuvexport will go away

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gardengnome:

ooooh, awesome! Channel.pm looks nifty. exactly what i'd need for my masterplan of creating a database of channel lineups.

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xris:

:)

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xris:

it's far from finished

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gardengnome:

was wondering.. does it actually do anything at the moment?

[20:57:20]

gardengnome:

those perls binding could work well in conjunction with the user job stuff.

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Juski:

time to go to the supermarket – 1st time leaving the house in days!

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j2^:

Hmmmm, no chance that the streaming function (click on recording in MythWEB) could be made to work with VLC (or something) on a WIndows box?

[20:58:54]

gardengnome:

j2^: maybe mythstreamtv is for you

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Sebulba02:

has mythstreamtv been fixed to work with 0.19?

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gardengnome:

dunno if it'll still be there in 20. i hear certain people in here are working on a nifty flashplayer

[20:59:26]

gardengnome:

Sebulba02: oh, it was broken? didn't know that :/

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Sebulba02:

gardengnome: If I remember, yeah, I tried it a few months ago

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xris:

gardengnome: flash, and hopefully just normal streaming.

[21:00:45]

xris:

Sebulba02: there was a patch for .19 released like a week after .19 came out.

[21:00:59]

Sebulba02:

xris: oh, I haven't run across that yet

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xris:

search the mailing list archives, it's there.

[21:01:30]

xris:

or just grab the mythweb stuff from knopmyth

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chatti2:

can someone help with bt878 config.. please?

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j2^:

xris: found it. Thanks!

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Mattwj2005:

boy the cable company must compress HDTV signals pretty bad

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Mattwj2005:

the quality isn't as good as OTA

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Mattwj2005:

so the question is do I use rabbit ears and get high quality video with the possibility of dropped frames or use cable and have a signal that is compressed to heck

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LabMonkey:

wtb mythfrontend for windows :(

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Anduin:

LabMonkey: There is an SoC project for it (so who knows)

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LabMonkey:

Anduin: I'm looking at that now

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LabMonkey:

and crossing fingers

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Anduin:

LabMonkey: It doesn't even compile (yet, at least last time I read about it)

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LabMonkey:

Anduin: yeah that's what I read

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LabMonkey:

I like the SoC list

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LabMonkey:

lots of cool stuff

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Mattwj2005:

speaking of SoC....I looked at the svn....it looks like we are getting down there on tickets neccessary before we have another release

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Mattwj2005:

hopefully there will be better pchdtv-5500 support :)

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gardengnome:

italy has won. 2:0.

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Mattwj2005:

so what is new everyone?

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Juski:

re

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Juski:

they only come out at night :-P

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gardengnome:

hmm, lordi.

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russellb:

everyone is out setting things on fire

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russellb:

it's the set stuff on fire holiday in the US ...

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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gardengnome:

legal terrorism? awesome

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Mattwj2005:

I am surprise

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Mattwj2005:

Bush isn't all like stop the terrorism.....

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Mattwj2005:

:P

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gardengnome:

see? he's a hypocrist.

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Juski:

it's not terrorism if it's patriotic :-P

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gardengnome:

hypocrite*

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Juski:

hypochrist?

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gardengnome:

hey, it's late. ;)

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DrMitch:

bush THINKS he's Christ

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Juski:

so does Blair

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gardengnome:

(a neologism was born)

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Anduin:

Not again

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Mattwj2005:

if brains were dynamite....Bush wouldn't have enough to blow his nose

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Juski:

we've had 4th July fireworks here in Manchester (UK) too tonight :-/

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gardengnome:

yay. political discussion :)

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** Brains is not now, nor has he ever been, dynamite. **

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Juski:

we _are_ the nth state

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Mattwj2005:

seriously Juski?

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Juski:

I reckon

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russellb:

that's pretty silly :)

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opello:

it must have been a really good defeat

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russellb:

no kidding

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Mattwj2005:

yeah no doubt....the 4th celebrates us breaking away from you

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russellb:

but hey, different generation ... whatever excuse you can get to shoot fireworks

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Juski:

schools over here are now having 'proms', people sent 'happy holidays' cards last Christmas.. there's a fucking Starbucks everywhere ... what more proof do you need?

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Mattwj2005:

then again with "leaders" like Bush....I am sure you were glad to let us go....

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Mattwj2005:

:-P

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Anduin:

Juski: Adopt our souther accents.

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opello:

Mattwj2005: his genes came from somewhere, lets keep the blame alive :)

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bootleg:

anyone have a guide to get mythstreamtv to work with the latest mythweb ? it says theme.php does not exist (which it doesnt, but mythweb is working fine)

[22:05:42]

russellb:

take your political discussions to #2,000

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opello:

i don't think a comma is legal in a channel name

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russellb:

opello: shush!

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Mattwj2005:

actually my genes came from Czech and Germany mostly....I do have a little French and English in me

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opello:

heh

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Mattwj2005:

:P

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Juski:

http://www.pvrweb.com/bbs-old/viewtopic.php?t=43403

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bootleg:

that link is down

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Juski:

this bit might be useful though: " The mythstreamtv version that comes with KnoppMyth works out of the

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Juski:

box. You may be able to grab only the part you need from there."

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opello:

worked for me

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Juski:

and this: http://www.headwall.co.uk/mythstreamtv.tgz

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Mattwj2005:

I gtg 2 work

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Mattwj2005:

later all

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DrMitch:

hmm... mythtv still isn't as cool as beyondtv but at least it's free

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GreyFoxx:

having not usedbeyondtv, what is "cooler" than myth ?

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Juski:

not Freevo

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Anduin:

Yeah, beyondtv was so cool when it took 30% CPU to sit at the menu (and not do anything).

[22:19:28]

Juski:

beyondtv is extortionate.. and no use for non-USA folks

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DrMitch:

more user friendly, it does a much better job of managing recordings and scheduling so that it could record all of it

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gardengnome:

beyondtv has a better scheduler? how so?

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Juski:

we are _so_ looking forward to DrMitch's patches

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Anduin:

DrMitch: I haven't used 4, but that wasn't the case back in 3.

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GreyFoxx:

well, user friendly is subjective, and not something I'm concerned with, but I'd lvoe to know an instance where it was better at scheduling/balancing recordings

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GreyFoxx:

If only to be educated on the subject

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DrMitch:

is there a way to watch live TV while it's recording (the same channel) cause as is, If it's recording something and I exit live TV, i can't go back to it, I have to go into the recordings and watch from there

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Anduin:

It does have better streaming, folder management, and transcoding (easier).

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Juski:

there are the standalone PVRs.. very easy to use, but very prone to failure

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Juski:

DrMitch: that might be an easy patch

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GreyFoxx:

DrMitch:Well, yes, just like you describe, go to watch recordings to watch it

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DrMitch:

but it's not suppose to do it as is right?

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GreyFoxx:

right

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Juski:

or just do what I do, don't use livetv cos it's lame & a waste of valuable time

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DrMitch:

i know, it's not much of an inconvienence, i was just checking

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GreyFoxx:

IT's not suppose to drop you into a ongoing recording

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GreyFoxx:

though a simple popup menu asking what ongoing recordingh you wouldwant to join wouldbe possible

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gardengnome:

get more capture cards :)

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DrMitch:

GreyFoxx, I agree

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sigger_:

can Knoppmyth provide both the front end and back end? [stupid question, but can they be on the same computer?]

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Juski:

yep. unlike some pvr software I could mention mythtv doesn't limit you to two :-P

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gardengnome:

sigger_: yes.

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sigger_:

gardengnome: to both?

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Juski:

sigger_: yes and yes. and read their manual.

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sigger_:

will. thanks.

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gardengnome:

Juski: yes, yes and yes.

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DrMitch:

my hardware has trouble recording one show and playing back, i couldn't imagine how laggy it would be recording TWO shows and playing 1 back

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GreyFoxx:

DrMitch: With the right equipment recording takes 0% CPU

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gardengnome:

DrMitch: shouldn't be a problem with proper hardware

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Anduin:

DrMitch: hardware encoders

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: ^5 :)

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GreyFoxx:

I have recorded 4–5 shows on 2 backends using around 1% of the CPU on each

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DrMitch:

i HAVE a hardware encoder, but it doesn't work with linux for some reason, I haven't investigated it

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Juski:

hardware encoders / DVB / HD

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Juski:

the 'some reason' is prolly that nobody has written drivers yet

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GreyFoxx:

DrMitch: What kind of card ?

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gardengnome:

DrMitch: what card is it?

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gardengnome:

(the time will come where *I* will beat greyfoxx to something.)

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DrMitch:

MSI TV @anywhere (conexant cx88xx drivers)

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Juski:

doesn't sound very hardware encodery

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DrMitch:

well that's what the specs say on the box

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GreyFoxx:

I think that one hsa some onboard mpeg4 compression, or at least so the sales docs say :)

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GreyFoxx:

but ONLY if you have a driver for it. Otherwise it's a regular framebuffer

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gardengnome:

does it really buffer stuff? or just puke it all over your pci bus? :)

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GreyFoxx:

Well, the buffer is tiny, heh

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gardengnome:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

but yes, it pretty much spews the raw stream over the pci bus

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** gardengnome flushes the msi TV @nywhere **

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gardengnome:

the buffers, i mean.

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Juski:

" Support Real-Time Video Recording in MPEG-4/2/1 format (MPEG4 is compatible with DivX or <font size="3">Microsoft MPEG4). (Note: you have to download the codec by yourself.)". screams _software_ to me</font>

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GreyFoxx:

"realtime if you have a fast enough cpu"

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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Juski:

phillips video decoder onboard.. and I dunno if they do integrated video decoders with mpeg encoder chips cheap enough to use in pc kit

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Juski:

are there linux drivers for this thing? http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/Video/mdp130.asp

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Juski:

nope.. ach well

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dtm:

does anyone have xorg/xf86 conf definitions for NTSC 640x480?

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dtm:

i just found one for 720x480 and it it wacky on my tv.

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bootleg:

i tried that mythstream.tgz file, seemed to work and put files in my mythweb dir, but it didnt add the mythstream link on the welcome.php... ill have to look a lil further

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dtm:

i got a semi-viewable tv image in 640x480 so far.... getting closer! i appreciate any feedback.

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dtm:

either xorg/xf86 or /etc/fb.modes

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DJGummikuh:

hey

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DJGummikuh:

I'm growing desperate in trying to install mythtv... can someone help me please?

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DrMitch:

DJGummikuh, what's wrong?

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DJGummikuh:

DrMitch: well I simply won't get access to the database...

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DJGummikuh:

2006-07–05 00:53:09.486 Unable to connect to database!

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DJGummikuh:

2006-07–05 00:53:09.487 No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

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DrMitch:

when you run mythfilldatabase? or when you run mythtv-setup or what?

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DJGummikuh:

DrMitch: everything

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Super_King:

um so for some reason, my mythbox has decided that when it takes the still image for each recording, that it takes it using the first frame instead of like 60 seconds in

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DJGummikuh:

when I run mythvfilldatabase I get somethig similar

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Super_King:

anybody have that happen to them before?

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gardengnome:

DJGummikuh: make sure you'Ve got the mysql driver for qt installed

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DJGummikuh:

DrMitch: I'll post what I get in #flood

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DJGummikuh:

gardengnome: err...

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DJGummikuh:

I belive I got

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DrMitch:

DJGummikuh, did you create okay

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gardengnome:

what distro are you on?

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DJGummikuh:

I'll post what I got in #flood ok?

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DJGummikuh:

gentoo

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DrMitch:

i'm there

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gardengnome:

DJGummikuh: make sure mysql was in your use flags for qt when you emerged it

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DJGummikuh:

gardengnome: it was.. just checked

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gardengnome:

weird

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gardengnome:

anyways, i've gotta go, laters.

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DJGummikuh:

DrMitch: there is a file called mysql.txt in .mythtv

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DrMitch:

make sure you have the mythtv user as a user in mysql

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DJGummikuh:

DrMitch: I have... still "unable to connect to database..

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DrMitch:

so whatever is in mysql.txt (ex: DBUserName=mythtv) you have to have mythtv as a user

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DJGummikuh:

but it's as you saw already complaining about some driver not loaded – what is that?

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DJGummikuh:

DrMitch: as auser in mysql yep

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DJGummikuh:

DrMitch: I have and it's working, just checked with mysql -u mythtv

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DrMitch:

okay, then did you mysql -u mythtv -p < mc.sql

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DrMitch:

??

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DJGummikuh:

no

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DJGummikuh:

what is mc.sql?

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DrMitch:

mysql -u mythtv -p < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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DrMitch:

i THINK

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DrMitch:

i don't use gentoo

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DrMitch:

mc.sql is the initial database template

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DJGummikuh:

don't have to

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DJGummikuh:

created mythconverg by hand and granted everything to the mythtv user..

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DJGummikuh:

just cat'ed that file, it does more or less the same

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DrMitch:

okay, and did you set the password for mysql "mythtv" user?

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DrMitch:

same as "DBPassword=" in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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DJGummikuh:

DrMitch: yep

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DrMitch:

so "mysql -u mythtv" works?

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DJGummikuh:

DrMitch: yep

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DJGummikuh:

mysql -p -u mythtv prompts for a pass and when I enter it I get to the mysql prompt

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DJGummikuh:

what does THIS mean ?

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DrMitch:

then type "use mythconverg;"

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DJGummikuh:

QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded

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DJGummikuh:

QSqlDatabase: available drivers:

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DJGummikuh:

DrMitch: works..

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DrMitch:

not a clue

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Juski:

DJGummikuh: you sure you have Qt3 installed not Qt4?

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DJGummikuh:

DrMitch: this sounds like the problem to me as mythtv is searching for the driver to the mysql database and finds none..

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DrMitch:

type "show tables;"

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DJGummikuh:

Juski: errr

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DJGummikuh:

DrMitch: empty

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DJGummikuh:

mc.sql doesn't create any

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GreyFoxx:

QT can't load the SQL plugin library

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DJGummikuh:

I have qt 3.3.4-r8 installed

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DrMitch:

and running mythtv-setup doesn't still doesn't

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DrMitch:

work*

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DJGummikuh:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

Either you don't have the qt mysql library installed, or it can be found on the ld path. OR the mysql client libs can';t be found

[23:14:29]

DrMitch:

maybe you have to USE="mysql" ??

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DJGummikuh:

DrMitch: I have

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DJGummikuh:

emerge -pv qt drops me +mysql as red what means that the package is currently compiled with that option

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DrMitch:

hmm. no clue then

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DJGummikuh:

wargs can't be... stupid pc

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GreyFoxx:

Did you happen to upgrade mysql ?

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DrMitch:

god i hate gentoo

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GreyFoxx:

QT might have to be recompiled if you upgraded mysql from 3->4, or 4->5

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GreyFoxx:

Every distro is sh*t in someones opinion :)

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DJGummikuh:

GreyFoxx: err... no

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DrMitch:

exactly, and i hate gentoo

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GreyFoxx:

DJGummikuh: Well libqsqlmysql.so is failing to load. Either it's not compiled , not being found on the ld path, or it can';t load the mysql clientlibrary

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DJGummikuh:

GreyFoxx: hm...

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DrMitch:

DJGummikuh, ldd `which mythtv-setup`

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dtm:

does anyone have xorg or fbdev modes for a 640x480 NTSC?

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GreyFoxx:

libqsqlmysql is either statically compiled into the QT libs, or dynamically loaded by QT, and is not directly linked to the mythtv apps

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DJGummikuh:

doesn't show up anything that contains mysql

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GreyFoxx:

It wouldn't

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PaulWay[w]:

Hi all!

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DJGummikuh:

GreyFoxx: what do I have to look for then?

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PaulWay[w]:

xris: nuvexport working like a dream now.

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PaulWay[w]:

Sorry for any panic... :-)

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DJGummikuh:

ldd `which mythtv-setup` | grep qt libqt-mt.so.3 => /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 (0xb68ac000)

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DJGummikuh:

thats what I find with qt

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GreyFoxx:

DJGummikuh: try this. find /usr/qt -name libqsqlmysql.so

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GreyFoxx:

See if it finds anything

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DJGummikuh:

qfind /usr/qt -name libqsqlmysql.so

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DJGummikuh:

/usr/qt/3/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so

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GreyFoxx:

now try "ldconfig -v | grep libqsqlmysql.so"

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GreyFoxx:

does it find anything ?

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DrMitch:

is there any advantage to running mythfilldatabase in cron rather than having mythbackend run it or vice versa ?

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DJGummikuh:

GreyFoxx: err..

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DJGummikuh:

GreyFoxx: I'll post you that output to flood ok? cant really understand that

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GreyFoxx:

itshouldn't find more than one or two things

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GreyFoxx:

paste it to pastebin.ca

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GreyFoxx:

then post the URL here

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DJGummikuh:

GreyFoxx: ... :) too lazy :)) it's 5 lines

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DJGummikuh:

mocking around about some staff

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GreyFoxx:

then I'm too lazy to help you :)

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DJGummikuh:

wait

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DJGummikuh:

well ok I've checked and none of the lines contain libqmysql.so

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GreyFoxx:

though 5 lines isn't that bad

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DJGummikuh:

GreyFoxx: those were only errors

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PaulWay[w]:

DrMitch: Only if you need to supply custom parameters to mythfilldatabase.

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DrMitch:

alrighty

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GreyFoxx:

DJGummikuh: try adding /usr/qt/3/plugins/sqldrivers/ to /etc/ld.so.conf

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GreyFoxx:

and rerun ldconfig

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PaulWay[w]:

Although there may be an option to put in some options in mythtv setup, I haven't rummaged through it thoroughly enough yet.

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GreyFoxx:

You can add pararmeters when the backend runs it too

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DJGummikuh:

GreyFoxx: now it shows up

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GreyFoxx:

DJGummikuh: try it now

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DJGummikuh:

GreyFoxx: try what? ^^

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GreyFoxx:

Using the backend to run mythfilldb is preferred because then it will honour the "next update time" sent back by zap2it

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DJGummikuh:

mythsetup?

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GreyFoxx:

DJGummikuh: whatever mythapp you were trying to load

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DJGummikuh:

GreyFoxx: nothing changed :(

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GreyFoxx:

try

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GreyFoxx:

ldconfig -v | grep mysqlclient

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DJGummikuh:

QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded

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GreyFoxx:

does it find the mysql client libraries ?

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DJGummikuh:

QSqlDatabase: available drivers:

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DJGummikuh:

libmysqlclient.so.14 -> libmysqlclient.so.14.0.0

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DJGummikuh:

libmysqlclient_r.so.14 -> libmysqlclient_r.so.14.0.0

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GreyFoxx:

Then it sounds to be like the QT sql plugin is likely compiled against a different mysql version

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GreyFoxx:

if you know how to use strace

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DJGummikuh:

GreyFoxx: so recompile qt?

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DJGummikuh:

ergs

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GreyFoxx:

you can trace and see exactly what libraries are attempting to be loaded to see what the sqlplugin is looking for

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DJGummikuh:

GreyFoxx: well I'll update qt

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DJGummikuh:

it needs an update anyways

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PaulWay[w]:

Hey, xris: would it be possible for nuvexport to interpret the cut list (if you're using one) and adjust the number of frames to process appropriately?

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stevenm:

Hello. Mythtv has been working fine for me for many months, using software mpeg4 encoding. In the past few weeks I have noticed audio dropouts in recorings. The audio would go silent for several seconds and then come back. What can be causing this?

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PaulWay[w]:

Have you upgraded recently?

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PaulWay[w]:

Or, to ask another way, what's changed recently?

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stevenm:

I've no idea.. I upgraded kernels a waaay while back

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stevenm:

the hard drive is nice and healthy, plenty of space

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stevenm:

maybe the occsaional software update.. what packages to look into?

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PaulWay[w]:

What does the log from mythfrontend say? Any error messages?

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stevenm:

I use MP3

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stevenm:

would a PVR-250 solve muy problems ?

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