Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, July 1st, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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mchou:

adante: did you try restarting the frontend?

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adante:

yeah

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adante:

and the backend just for kicks

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mchou:

adante: then the db must be screwed

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adante:

the keybindings table?

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adante:

i just restored the table from a working copy, no change

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adante:

where can i get a copy of the default keybindings table?

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mchou:

adante: clearly you didnt restore it correctly

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mchou:

the keys didnt "spontaneously" stop functioning as you claimed

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adante:

ok, obviously i am not blaming this problem on magic

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adante:

i am just saying that from my pov it seems to be spontaneous

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mchou:

adante: lol

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adante:

as in i woke up this morning, tried to play a recording, and lo and behold the seek keys don't work when they did yesterday

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mchou:

adante: that's what they all say

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mchou:

"I was just plodding along when things stopped working"

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mchou:

pshaw!

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mchou:

hell no!

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mchou:

this NPR report is pissing me off

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adante:

ok, well just to clarify, i'm not actually making the claim this happened for no reason

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adante:

i'm sure it did at the moment i am trying to figure out what that reason is

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adante:

i'm doing that because, well i don't kno what that reason is

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adante:

hence, it seems like there is no apparent reason

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d3ity:

hey all, got a question not specifically pertaining to mythtv but that one of you guys should be able to answer

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d3ity:

I want to build my own lirc reciever. Where might one procure parts, and which one is the easiest to make?

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Dagmar:

The one where you spend $12 and have someone ship a completed one to you

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mchou:

d3ity: sheesh

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d3ity:

Dagmar, but that takes ALL the fun out of it

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mchou:

d3ity: where you live?

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d3ity:

mchou, US

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Dagmar:

Having someone *else* do all the complex/hard parts already did that

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d3ity:

pennsylvania specifically

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mchou:

d3ity: where in PA?

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GreyFoxx:

Juski/Laga: You around ?

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d3ity:

mchou, outside of easton

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Dagmar:

I don't see how sticking tiny pieces into a piece of polymer board and melting them into place is supposed to be hard, or fun

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mchou:

d3ity: look in the phone book for electronic surplus

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d3ity:

if thats too specific, allentown/bethlehem, and if you're from philly, I'm about an hour north

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d3ity:

mchou, any online sources known to be good and shiny?

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mchou:

d3ity: "online" defeats the purpose

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mchou:

d3ity: you want to avoid shipping $.25 parts for $10

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d3ity:

mchou, sorta true, seeing as I could get a completed one

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kleptophobiac2:

digikey isn't too bad

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kleptophobiac2:

I got the parts for four USB IR receivers for $24

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mchou:

digikey sux

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mchou:

pricy as hell

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kleptophobiac2:

and what do you prefer?

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mchou:

mouser is at least more honest

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d3ity:

i saw one USB (commercially made) unit for sale for 27 bucks, with a remote

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kleptophobiac2:

one, exactly. I built *four* for $24

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: not to mention more complete

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d3ity:

kleptophobiac2, and it works with just about any remote out there?

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kleptophobiac2:

yessir

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d3ity:

hrm

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kleptophobiac2:

I print my own circuit boards

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kleptophobiac2:

i use freepcb to lay them out

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d3ity:

kleptophobiac2, yeah, I just want to be able to read the damn diagrams

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: why build just one when you can build 20 at the same price :)

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d3ity:

I'd be happy with that knowledge

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d3ity:

any good refrences on that?

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adante:

does anybody know where i can obtain a copy of the default keybindings?

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kleptophobiac2:

heh, sorry, i grew up with schematics

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kleptophobiac2:

adante – keybindings.txt

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kleptophobiac2:

in /usr/share

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: bah, schematics

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kleptophobiac2:

in /usr/share/mythtv/

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: real men design their own :)

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d3ity:

the other problem with this idea is... now that I'm in a "lets build stuff" mood. I'm sorta thinking about buying an htpc case and hacking it to bits

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kleptophobiac2:

mchou – what do you design?

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Dagmar:

d3ity: That would probably be more entertaining than playing teeny tiny deformed legos

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: all sorts of mickey mouse stuff

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kleptophobiac2:

here's homemade single board computer

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kleptophobiac2:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e360/klepto . . . 51-rev4d.jpg

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d3ity:

Dagmar, not when teeny tiny deformed legos are what I do, I'm a computer engineering major

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Dagmar:

I always thought the fun part was designing the circuits--not asking someone else to do all the decision-making for yu

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d3ity:

next semester i'm getting into all those logic gates/controllers and all that fun stuff

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: make my own Playstation2 to usb adapter recently

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kleptophobiac2:

what kind of controller? did you write the MCU code yourself?

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: yup

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kleptophobiac2:

AVR? PIC? HC08?

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mchou:

PIC ripped from an old ball mouse :)

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adante:

kleptophobiac2: oddly, i don't have that file..

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kleptophobiac2:

interesting. I would've thought all the commercially produced mice would've been made with mask ROM

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adante:

any chance someone can send it to me, or can someone tell me where to locate it in svn

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kleptophobiac2:

how'd you reprogram it?

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kleptophobiac2:

adante google mythtv keybindings.txt

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kleptophobiac2:

here's my version of the USB-ir-boy linked on the lirc page

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kleptophobiac2:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e360/klepto . . . b-ir-boy.png

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adante:

kleptophobiac2: tried that no results

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: borrowed a pic programmer

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kleptophobiac2:

i'm amazed that they shipped an EEPROM or flash in a production mouse

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: heh

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kormoc:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/keys.txt <-- that file?

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: check out all those old MS explorer ball mice :)

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kleptophobiac2:

but, all this talk about receivers has me wondering about transmitters

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kleptophobiac2:

I hacked together a piece of shit serial IR transmitter that uses the TX pin

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kleptophobiac2:

rather than DTR for signal

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kernoman:

im using 0.19.5 on ubuntu and have imported my database from a previous installation however when I launch myth it can connect to back end and says 'Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION' any ideas?

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adante:

kormoc: i was hoping for something that would allow me to run directly instead of manually re-entering all the entries into mysql

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kleptophobiac2:

is there some way to specify to the lirc_serial driver to transmit by keying that pin instead of DTR?

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kormoc:

adante, mythweb has something I believe, but I donno how easy it would be to rip it out

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adante:

how does this table get created initially?

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mchou:

this is ridiculous.

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kormoc:

via mythtv-setup

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mchou:

horrific story

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Dagmar:

kernoman: You need to ask the people who decided to make up their own 0.19.5 version

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GreyFoxx:

hehe since there is no 0.19.5 heh

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Dagmar:

Exactly

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mchou:

kernoman: that's easy

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mchou:

kernoman: 1. make sure all myth binaries are the same version, no old versions lying around

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mchou:

kernoman: 2. make sure the back end addr is set up correctly via mythtv-setup

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adante:

ok, mythtv-setup no longer works because i have any keybindings :]

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Dagmar:

time mysql DROP mythconverg and start over. ;)

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mchou:

kernoman: 3. avoid use of 127.0.0.1 if possible

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adante:

so is there no easy way of restoring my keybindings short of trashing my db

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kernoman:

mchou: its a fresh install – complete new install of OS and binaries, the front and backend are on the same PC, ive just noticed it comes back with proto 26 but doesnt give any more info than that

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Dagmar:

mchou: Huh? There's something special about 127.0.0.1/8?

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d3ity:

wow

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d3ity:

this thing is cool

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d3ity:

someone needs to come up with a linux driver for this thing

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d3ity:

http://www.frozencpu.com/lcd-35.html

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d3ity:

that'd look sweet sitting on the front of an HTPC case

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mchou:

d3ity: that VFD looks like crap

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Dagmar:

d3ity: Looks like any other orbital matrix vfd to me

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kleptophobiac2:

i think all vfd's are useless

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kleptophobiac2:

but, mchou, you seem unsatisfied with everything

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Dagmar:

I like the LCD on my G-15 keyboard, personally.

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: I'm using myth :)

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kleptophobiac2:

so are the rest of us

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: so not everything

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Zider:

d3ity: that would be nice yes..

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kernoman:

i got 19.5 off a link in the ubuntu forums, can anyone else provide a repository for dapper ?

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d3ity:

hey, whatever. we can't all hack up an infoglobe to our PCs

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: but extension I'm also using linux :)

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Dagmar:

kernoman: You should post your problem to that forum to teach them to QA their stuff better if they're going to inflict it on other peopl4e

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d3ity:

hrm

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d3ity:

infoglobe

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d3ity:

PC

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d3ity:

hrmmmm

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d3ity:

thats...brilliant

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d3ity:

I wonder what controls those things

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d3ity:

wow

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d3ity:

someone did the homework already

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mchou:

kernoman: ahh, I think I may have figred out what happened :)

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mchou:

kernoman: were you using an older version of myth prior to the new system install

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mchou:

?

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mchou:

when did the US troops turn into Saddam's henchmen?

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mchou:

raping an iraqi woman and killing 3 of her family members!?

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kernoman:

mchou: well it was knoppmyth r5c7 which had version 0.19

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mchou:

kernoman: and you using myth 0.19 now?

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kernoman:

mchou: but i trashed that and have opted to run ubuntu and run mythtv on top of that, yes 0.19.5 now

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adante:

ok, so if i delete mythconverg, recreate and run mythtv-setup, i'll get my keybindings back?

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mchou:

kernoman: wtf is 0.19.5???

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kernoman:

mchou: lol dunno found it in a ubuntu howto, stuck it in my sources list and installed it

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mchou:

kernoman: lol

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mchou:

kernoman: you engage in unsafe sex? :)

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Zider:

all sex is unsafe

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mchou:

kernoman: run "any" random version of SW in your peecee?

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kernoman:

mchou: 3 kids mate so yes :0) looks like i need to find another repository for dapper

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mchou:

kernoman: planning on having more? :)

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kernoman:

hehehe NO!

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mchou:

kernoman: well, there you have it. :)

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mchou:

kernoman: dont insert tools in random places

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kernoman:

mchou: if ti fits....

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kernoman:

mchou: cant spell either...

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Zider:

if at first it doesn't fit.. use a bigger hammer..

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mchou:

Zider: I bet all the girls just luv you :)

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Zider:

mchou: I doubt anyone of them do..

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kernoman:

so any of you guys using dapper? if so where did you get 0.19 from or did you build from source?

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Juski:

building from source is prolly easier than finding a repo

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mchou:

kernoman: I'm inclined to agree w/ juski there, heaven forbid

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adante:

so... how does the keybindings table initially getcreated?

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kernoman:

i was hoping that wasnt going to be the answer...

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adante:

i just recreated mythconverg, ran mythtv-setup, it created global keys but that's it

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Juski:

is the latest ubuntu repository up/down/sideways...?

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adante:

how can i get the rest of the keys?

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Juski:

kernoman: awww come on where's your spirit of adventure?

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mchou:

kernoman: what is the big deal anyways about compiling myth?

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kernoman:

i told you just now i got 3 kids...limited time :o)

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mchou:

kernoman: lol.

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mchou:

kernoman: you got to live with the consequences of your actions :)

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Juski:

you could have it compiled in the time you've been in here, just about

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mchou:

damn, Juski is on a roll today

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mchou:

kernoman: not to mention all the time you wasted "debugging" 0.19.5

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kernoman:

heheh iam mate.. ok im goina compile it now, I take it I just get the sources from mythtv.org

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Juski:

better getting 0.19-fixes out of svn probably

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Juski:

unless the mythtv.org main site's sources are kept up to date regularly

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kernoman:

Juski: will that not be unstable?

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adante:

is there an key other than PAUSE which pauses tv playback?

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Juski:

kernoman: nah... 0.19-fixes is what I'd recommend

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adante:

select * from keybindings where action like 'PAUSE' and context like '%play%';

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adante:

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adante:

1 row in set (0.00 sec)

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adante:

can someone explain why when i press p it still pauses?

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Juski:

if P pauses and your remote doesn't, then erm... your lircrc is borked, or lircd.conf is

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adante:

hmm

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xris:

Juski: it flickers, but that fixes the "invisible" bug

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adante:

well i'm not running lirc so i don't think that's the problem

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mchou:

oh shit, another doping scandal in Tour De France??

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adante:

my question is more, there is no keybinding which binds P to PAUSE, and yet P is pausing

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adante:

why is this?

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adante:

how can i make P not pause, and make t pause instead, like it is bound to do

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mchou:

Ulrich and Basso out of Tour de France???

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mchou:

WTF???

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Zider:

tour de france is a nice tune

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mchou:

Zider: damn, I was looking forward to the competition

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Zider:

competition? I don't even know what it is, except a tune..

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mchou:

Zider: stop joking around

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Zider:

mchou: I'm not

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Zider:

a trip around france would be my guess

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Zider:

but that's about it

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mchou:

Zider: it's the world's greatest bicycle race

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Zider:

:P

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Zider:

and I thought it would be something cool

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mchou:

Zider: http://www.letour.fr/

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Zider:

yeah yeah, some bike contest, I get it.. :P

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Juski:

xris: great news! excellent... now to figure out why it flickers

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mchou:

Zider: lol

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adante:

could somebody dump their keybindings table and send it to me?

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adante:

please?

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Juski:

xris: when you say 'flickers'... like it's constantly being redrawn & undrawn?

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xris:

Juski: no. only when you move the selection

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Juski:

adante: http://pastebin.ca/76091

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Juski:

xris: weird. I wonder if the draw order needs to be sorted out again then...

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xris:

Juski: could be

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mchou:

lol

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adante:

Juski: could you provide the output of mysql describe keybindings too?

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mchou:

I just figured something out

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mchou:

no french riders got booted out of Tour de France

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Juski:

adante: http://pastebin.ca/76093

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mchou:

guess the french got real desperate

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adante:

thanks Juski

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Juski:

xris: the menu buttons etc don't have a draw order

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Juski:

just as an experiment, could you please uncomment the <columns> tag in line 8 within theme.xml ?

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Any change you have any photos of the inside of your s100 ?

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: yeh... http://www.juski.co.uk/s100/images/

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Bachus9000:

Is the OSX port of mythfrontend fully featured or severely lacking like WinMyth? Can I still access the cutpoint editor by pressing 'e' when viewing a recording?

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: thanks

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mchou:

Juski: what's the heatgun for?

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adante:

well for anybody who is interested in what my problem was...

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GreyFoxx:

Bachus9000: It's a full frontend

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Juski:

mchou: to help desolder the GND lines on the IDE port. work's solder sucker erm.. sucks

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GreyFoxx:

winmyth is just someones attempt at awindows frontend, not a "scaled back"

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GreyFoxx:

frontend

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adante:

for some bizarre reason, the keybindings.context was a varchar(10) instead of varchar(32).. so 'TV Playback" got cropped to 'TV Playbac' and wasn't recognised

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mchou:

Juski: you mean the ide is not wired the "normal" way?

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adante:

i'm not exactly sure how or why the column got cropped but heh, there ya go

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Juski:

mchou: no I just mean the ground plane was a pig to remove solder from ;-)

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Bachus9000:

Splendid. I can get an iMac and not worry about needing a KVM to access the Linux frontend from my backend server. :)

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Juski:

the socket wasn't fitted & I had to un-plug the holes on the PCB

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mchou:

Juski: who needs a solder sucker when you have compressed air :)

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Juski:

we don't have compressed air at work

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Juski:

used to have, when they assembled boards there, but that's now done in Malta

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Juski:

just raising the temp of the gnd area a few degrees is enough to help. we don't have a hot-plate either :-/

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Juski:

still – 2 managers left this week so maybe they'll spend money on better tools

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vvarder:

does anyone know of a repository for a Ubuntu Dapper build of 0.19? I was running 0.18 out of multiverse but I upgraded the backend and would rather use 0.19

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CyberKnet:

not I, sorry.

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kernoman:

vvarder: Ive asked the same thing and was advised to compile it from source – doing it as i type...

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CyberKnet:

You know, I think bloglines is one of those tools you will never know how useful it is until you use it.

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vvarder:

yikes, that's what I was doing, but I get unresolved libs all over the place, now I'm getting an "operator == has no left operand"....I've got SLES 10 on the backend w/ myth 0.19, I'd like to stay with ubuntu on the frontend

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kernoman:

i found a repository however it installed a version called 19.5 which apparently does not even exist, I had all kinds of problems with it communicating with the database using that version

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vvarder:

hmmm, 19.5 is some version of SVN maybe? I could try SVN.....I'm almost willing to wipe ubuntu and go with SuSE on the frontend too, but my buddy says Ubuntu is the greatest :)

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Zider:

you should use whatever YOU like best

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kernoman:

its a good distro

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CyberKnet:

I thought I liked Slackware best. Then I tried Fedora Core.

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CyberKnet:

I still like slackware best =P"

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** CyberKnet ducks **

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Zider:

I still like gentoo best :P

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Juski:

oo yeah... xris.. something just occurred to me.. maybe if you play with the button area on line 5 of theme.xml... there might be an issue with the size being wrong compared to the bitmaps... and that's my last thought for the day...

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CyberKnet:

Juski: After that, just mush.

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Juski:

I'll have a proper look at it tomorrow

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vvarder:

Heh, I had Slackware for 5 years before I move my main box to SuSE, I would've tried ubuntu on my server (Compaq Proliant dual proc) but it didn't recognize the RAID and the Fan Monitor only runs in SLES

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CyberKnet:

I use lmsensors for monitoring

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vvarder:

it's not so much monitoring as actually turning them down. At full speed I go deaf in 5 minutes

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CyberKnet:

heh

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CyberKnet:

permanent mod to jump the voltage down out of the question?

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CyberKnet:

;)

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vvarder:

I don't feel so bold....my friend did that on his proliant, at post it started compaining that the voltage wasn't what it expected, so he couldn't reboot the box without being there to hit "F1"

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vvarder:

'sides, the myth backend works great on SuSE using the RPMs from the Packman repositories

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CyberKnet:

Well, alls well that ends well.

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vvarder:

yeah, except the frontend I can't get running on the Ubuntu box :) I'll try the SVN and give my friend grief when I see him next, thanks all

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sloncho:

hi all. how can i set uset jobs, so after commercial flagging, to be able to actually set the cuts automatically, and then invoke the transcoding?

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sloncho:

i googled and googled, but i can not figure out which scripts/commands to use, so it gets the settings as how I set them for transcoding. or how to import the flags as cuts

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kernoman:

dang it i get an error stating /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm when compiling myth

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LoneShadow:

does the mythweb go on the front end or the backend ?

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Agrajag-:

it can go anywhere

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LoneShadow:

ok

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jajaja0:

hey guys my nvidia fx5200 svideo out is pretty blurry..anything I can do to fix that?

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alsoconfused:

jajaja0: what res?

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jajaja0:

1024x768 60hrz

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alsoconfused:

you've messed with nvidia-settings?

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jajaja0:

800x600 looks a little better..but its just silly having icons that big

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alsoconfused:

1024x768 looks great with a geforce 4

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alsoconfused:

is it a good cable?

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jajaja0:

the one that came with the vid card...so prolly not

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jajaja0:

i just ran this script rather than do the settings myself...

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jajaja0:

http://www.albertomilone.eu/europeo/nvidia_scripts1.html

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alsoconfused:

is the tv capable of x768

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CyberKnet:

might check the version of your drivers vs the recommended version of drivers in the faq

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jajaja0:

yes it can do that resolution

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CyberKnet:

s/faq/guide

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LoneShadow:

what do you guys do reload the frontend and backend if they crash ?

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LoneShadow:

to*

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CyberKnet:

alt-f2 up enter

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CyberKnet:

=

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CyberKnet:

=)

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LoneShadow:

heh

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CyberKnet:

I haven't had it crash in so long though

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CyberKnet:

I did have some sort of watchdog script a few boxes ago

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CyberKnet:

but ... when my hdd crashed (bad drive) Myth had crashed so infrequently I didn't even attempt to recover the watchdog script.

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CyberKnet:

Had bigger fish to fry, you see... :)

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alsoconfused:

LoneShadow: the pwr button on my remote is set up to killall mythfrontend and restart it

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LoneShadow:

aah

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soul-xxx:

I have a question

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LoneShadow:

do you guys run the mythfrontend in a higher priority ?

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alsoconfused:

LoneShadow: not usually

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soul-xxx:

anyone use cox cable in here?

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alsoconfused:

works acceptably as is

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CyberKnet:

soul-xxx: Yes, I do.

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soul-xxx:

use the digital aspect of it?

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CyberKnet:

No. But if you want to do the firewire thing you will need their HD box

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CyberKnet:

not just the digital box.

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soul-xxx:

my deal is I have PVR 150 card, and digital cable, I was wondering if there was a way to make it work

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CyberKnet:

I had the HD box working over firewire late last year, but I scrapped the digital/HD service.

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CyberKnet:

soul-xxx: Yes, there is.

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CyberKnet:

soul-xxx: But you will need an IR Blaster

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soul-xxx:

where can I get that at?

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CyberKnet:

soul-xxx: Many places. Not using one myself, I couldn't recommend one. But I believe the HOWTO on the myth website does recommend a few

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CyberKnet:

soul-xxx: don't be discouraged at the prospect of using an IR blaster. They are very reliable, and a great many people use them.

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CyberKnet:

soul-xxx: I don't know if the cox digital cable boxes have a serial control option of some kind.

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CyberKnet:

mchou here uses two IR blasters. He may be able to provide you with a recommendation.

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mchou:

CyberKnet: huh??

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CyberKnet:

mchou: Hmm.. you don't? My mistake... I have a terrible memory.

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mchou:

CyberKnet: I dont use any ir blasters at all

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soul-xxx:

intresting, the WinTV PVR I bought has an IR Blaster

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** CyberKnet doesn't remember the PVR-150 having an IR blaster option **

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mchou:

CyberKnet: sure it does

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** CyberKnet points out that he didn't say it didn't **

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mchou:

there is even a patch for ivtv that supposedly makes it work

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soul-xxx:

oh?

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CyberKnet:

heh

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soul-xxx:

where can I get that patch at?

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mchou:

soul-xxx: beats me.

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mchou:

but google is your friend

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CyberKnet:

lmao

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CyberKnet:

mchou: Don't take this as a slight, but you're still one of the most abrupt people I know =)

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mchou:

CyberKnet: not abrupt at all, just doesnt put up with BS.

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CyberKnet:

*shrug*

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CyberKnet:

say it as you see it.

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CyberKnet:

bbias

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scales:

what things from jarods guide would need to change for myth to be installed on gnome?

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LoneShadow:

what do I need to do so that when I reboot my frontend, it automatically loads IceWM and runs mythfrontend (not as root) ?

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LoneShadow:

dont have gdm installed

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Mattwj2006:

help guys!!!

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Mattwj2006:

am I getting HDTV signals or not?

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Mattwj2006:

http://pastebin.ca/76142

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Mattwj2006:

hello anyone around?

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Mattwj2006:

:-s

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Mattwj2006:

anyone online?

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Mattwj2006:

:-s

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alsoconfused:

Mattwj2006: just kicking abou

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alsoconfused:

about

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Mattwj2006:

cool cool

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Mattwj2006:

I am really close to having HDTV going

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SlicerDicer-:

Mattwj2006: HD rocks :)

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: how many STBs you got by now? :)

[05:13:35]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: only 6 in the house

[05:13:36]

SlicerDicer-:

sheeh

[05:13:42]

SlicerDicer-:

sheesh rather :)

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mchou:

lol

[05:13:54]

SlicerDicer-:

although the dual tuner qualifies as 2 eh?

[05:14:17]

mchou:

does the dual work as a dual thru firewire?

[05:14:28]

SlicerDicer-:

I will be trying to get it working soon

[05:14:36]

mchou:

or it works as single?

[05:14:38]

SlicerDicer-:

I dont have enough harddrive speed to do it

[05:14:43]

SlicerDicer-:

hehe

[05:14:46]

SlicerDicer-:

I need raid to do it

[05:15:05]

SlicerDicer-:

but in theory it should work as I have 2 seperate firewire channels on one node

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: but it does work via firewire?

[05:15:19]

SlicerDicer-:

as a single of course

[05:15:34]

mchou:

no, I'm asking as a dual

[05:15:51]

mchou:

assuming your comp is up to snuff and all that jazz

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SlicerDicer-:

should work

[05:16:12]

SlicerDicer-:

I see no reason why it would not

[05:16:17]

SlicerDicer-:

I will be testing it soon once I get raid going

[05:16:21]

SlicerDicer-:

4 tuners

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: so the channels are independently addressable?

[05:16:48]

SlicerDicer-:

aye

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mchou:

and 6200ch can address each tuner in the dualie?

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Mattwj2006:

This is what I can get off of rabbit ears (hopefully) -> http://pastebin.ca/76178

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: oMPR n_plugs=2, data_rate=0, bcast_channel=63

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SlicerDicer-:

oPCR[0] online=0, bcast_connection=0, n_p2p_connections=1

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SlicerDicer-:

channel=0, data_rate=0, overhead_id=0, payload=0

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SlicerDicer-:

oPCR[1] online=0, bcast_connection=0, n_p2p_connections=0

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SlicerDicer-:

channel=0, data_rate=0, overhead_id=0, payload=0

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SlicerDicer-:

iMPR n_plugs=0, data_rate=0

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SlicerDicer-:

sorry for the spam

[05:18:55]

SlicerDicer-:

its not setup fully yet

[05:19:03]

SlicerDicer-:

I have it deactivated right now

[05:19:08]

SlicerDicer-:

but there is 2 addresses

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: no, I'm asking about 6200ch

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SlicerDicer-:

what do you mean sorry I dont follow

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: dont think 6200ch has provision for fw channels

[05:19:59]

mchou:

6200ch is the "channel changer"

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SlicerDicer-:

it does not matter

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mchou:

you need that to be able to individually address each tuner in the dualie

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh wait

[05:20:45]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah thats true

[05:20:46]

SlicerDicer-:

shit

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: man, you lamer :)

[05:21:07]

SlicerDicer-:

anyway I am battling my nvidia right now

[05:21:14]

SlicerDicer-:

sorry I am not thinking fully

[05:21:26]

SlicerDicer-:

my screen looks like a sideways verthold when I turn on the X

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SlicerDicer-:

but if X is off its not

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: so you paying around $50 for STBs alone?

[05:29:54]

Mattwj2006:

so guys what do you think of my list of channels?

[05:31:14]

Mattwj2006:

I still have to figure out how to configure MythTV to use it

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: what HDTV card you using?

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Mattwj2006:

pcHDTV-5500

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mchou:

ok

[05:38:09]

Mattwj2006:

the mythtv-setup isn't see anything

[05:38:32]

Mattwj2006:

I ended up compiling a patched kernel to get this far

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: what kernel ver?

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Mattwj2006:

2.6.17-git17

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: weird

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Mattwj2006:

what?

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mchou:

I thought HDTV5K was already supported in generic kernels

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dmz:

anyone use a pvr500?

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Mattwj2006:

they are suppose to be...but I didn't have any luck

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: where you live?

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Mattwj2006:

Minneapolis

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Mattwj2006:

http://pastebin.ca/76178

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: why did you buy a QAM card instead of using firewire?

[05:41:57]

Mattwj2006:

my firewire port is disabled on my cable box

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: who is cable co?

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Mattwj2006:

time warner

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: you tell them they breaking the law? :)

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Mattwj2006:

nope I never talked to them

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: what make is cable box?

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Mattwj2006:

Scientitific Atlanta Explorer 2100

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dmz:

:| i see both tuners, but only get static on tuner #2

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: man, go talk to your cable co. get a firewire enabled STB

[05:47:04]

mchou:

Mattwj2006: like DCT-6200 or sa3250

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: much easier than getting that qam card working :)

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mchou:

cheaper too probably

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Mattwj2006:

what about 8VB?

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sloncho:

hi all. how can i set uset jobs, so after commercial flagging, to be able to actually set the cuts automatically, and then invoke the transcoding?

[05:53:25]

sloncho:

i googled and googled, but i can not figure out which scripts/commands to use, so it gets the settings as how I set them for transcoding. or how to import the flags as cuts

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Mattwj2006:

anyone have idea why I am not capturing packets

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: 8VSB only applies if you have a good antenna

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mchou:

and that's even more money

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mchou:

for fewer channels

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mchou:

well, maybe not fewer....

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mchou:

considering cable only carries the primary channel

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: still say you should look into firewire :)

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: you've verified HDTV5K captures packets outside of myth?

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mchou:

went thu the azap rigamole?

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mchou:

thru*

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Mattwj2006:

it captures....but vlc won't play them

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: lol

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Mattwj2006:

what is going on guys?

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Mattwj2006:

:-s

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: what's signal strength?

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mchou:

and bit error rate?

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Mattwj2006:

I am having trouble figuring out what channel is what

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: come on

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Mattwj2006:

I am getting a signal of 0 I think but it is also getting a lock

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Mattwj2006:

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: I think that's a phantom station

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mchou:

unc of 326f is no damn good

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mchou:

that should be as close to zero as possible

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mchou:

and of course signal should be as close to ffff as possible

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Mattwj2006:

what is a unc?

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mchou:

uncorrectable errors

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Mattwj2006:

is it possible the signal thing is wrong?

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mchou:

it's possible

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mchou:

but that in conbo with UNC is a bad sign

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mchou:

combo*

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Mattwj2006:

with azap.....how do I type in station names with unusual characters?

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mchou:

like what character?

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Mattwj2006:

-

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mchou:

'-

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mchou:

no '

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: you can edit the channels.conf to have no weird characters if all else fails

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mchou:

Mattwj2006: using mickey mouse rabbit ears is not going to get you very far

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: sorry was fixing my mythbox

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SlicerDicer-:

anyway I am heading to sleep I will explain it later :)

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Mattwj2006:

well guys I did it :P

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Tanthrix:

Anyone having troubles with zap2it lately?

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power1:

Hey all, I have got myth up and running, only issue I am having is with the Nvidia 5200 card. I have a tv connected to the tv out port of the card. the tv displays the test output when the machine is booting up and shows services loading etc, but goes blank as soon as X starts, is there something I need to do to get TV out working in X ?

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Anduin:

power1: The readme with the nvidia driver is a good place to start, or the various guides that cover nvidia TV stuff.

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power1:

Anduin, Thanks, could you maybe just elaborate a bit and help me on my way?

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Anduin:

power1: Are you using nvidia's binary driver?

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Tanthrix:

power1: I take it you are running mythtv on your TV while still using your CRT/LCD monitor for other purposes?

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power1:

Anduin, yes the binary

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power1:

Tanthrix, yeah at the moment using both for testing , but will install in TV room and just have tv at later stage

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Tanthrix:

power1: http://novae-res.org/xorg.conf

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Tanthrix:

That is my xorg conf for my CRT on the right and my TV on the left.

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power1:

Tanthrix, thanks Mate.

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Tanthrix:

Assuming you have the driver installed properly, you can modify that accordingly.

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Tanthrix:

NP.

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Tanthrix:

That conf doesn't let you drag windows between though – it's kind of funky. It's separate but it's not.

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power1:

Tanthrix, does this apply for Knoppmyth as well. as I cant seem to find xorg.conf under X11 at all.

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Tanthrix:

Might be using xfree86 instead. Should be relatively the same stuff.

[07:02:39]

Tanthrix:

Just different file names.

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Tanthrix:

XF86Config-4 perhaps?

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Tanthrix:

In any case, as I was saying that configuation allows you to move the mouse between the two monitors, but not windows.

[07:03:30]

Tanthrix:

Works nicely for running myth side by side where you don't want that effect.

[07:04:03]

power1:

thanks will have a look

[07:04:26]

Tanthrix:

The NVIDIA readme that comes with the driver is extremely helpful as well

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power1:

Tanthrix, thanks mate.....the struggle will continue <grin>

[07:08:01]

Tanthrix:

Hehe, have fun.

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Tanthrix:

I'm off – enjoy tinkering. You'll be sad when you've finished ;)

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dtm:

it's looking like my 233 MHz G3 is gonna be just fine as a mythfrontend/backend

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dtm:

the menus are as snappy as on my 1000 MHz athlon

[07:49:57]

dtm:

which is slightly latent, but consistantly so

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dtm:

using mplayer, i can play mpeg1 of any resolution perfectly, and i can play divx/xvid at 640x480 native as long as it doesn't have fullscreen motion. with mplayer's speedup options, I can decode such a file at 320x240 and even scale it back up to 640x480. scaling is totally offloaded to Mach64 hardware in either case.

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_GeM:

that's not bad dtm. With my P3–450, Its annoyingly slow.. just a frontend

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dtm:

_GeM: oh really

[08:05:28]

dtm:

_GeM: well i haven't played anything. haven't done anything but navigate menus. i have a dummy backend and mysql.. well, my old setup, now nonfunctional, but it doesn't know that yet.

[08:06:08]

dtm:

i navigated the program guide a bit and it was usable. waaaaay faster than AT&T Digital Cable which i had in about 2001

[08:06:26]

dtm:

in the SF bay area. total worthless crap, 1/3 of every screen full of ads.

[08:06:49]

dtm:

took about 5 seconds' pause between each screen and then another 2 or 3 seconds just to draw the screen.

[08:06:59]

dtm:

but what's new

[08:07:30]

dtm:

okay this is myth 0.19 so how do i get it to see the ad hoc media already on my filesystem, which i didn't record with mythtv?

[08:07:40]

dtm:

like videos and mp3s on hard drive and cdrom?

[08:07:54]

dtm:

mpeg4 files and VCD discs

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dtm:

is that only with a plugin?

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Anduin:

Yes, mythvideo/mythmusic.

[08:09:06]

dtm:

:/

[08:09:17]

dtm:

Anduin: please dont tell me i have to recompile mythtv to get those ;)

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dtm:

i had to custom compile it on this gimped up rig, and it takes about 8 hours ;)

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Anduin:

dtm: No, you just config and compile them after you've done the main build.

[08:10:56]

dtm:

k

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dtm:

<3

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dtm:

i guess the only reason i'm amazed at the performance here is because it was visibly latent on the athlon so i assumed it'd be proportionately slower on this system.

[08:12:36]

dtm:

mythtv uses mplayer as its player for "media library | watch recordings" and for live tv and for mythvideo, right?

[08:13:16]

Anduin:

No.

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dtm:

if so, i'll set it to run a wrapper script with my performance sensitive settings. it could even autodetect the metadata and tell my faster system to downscale and stream the higher end files on demand

[08:14:03]

dtm:

Anduin: what's it use? can it be made to use mplayer?

[08:14:08]

dtm:

or is it not modular

[08:14:47]

Anduin:

dtm: It uses its own, and no, that chunk isn't really modular (though you can choose between ffmpeg and libmpeg2).

[08:14:56]

dtm:

:-[

[08:15:09]

dtm:

how could they possibly implement anything better than mplayer?

[08:15:25]

dtm:

i mean they can't, but how is mplayer not suitable?

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Anduin:

One drunken weekend actually trying?

[08:15:44]

dtm:

do what ?

[08:15:58]

Anduin:

To make something better than mplayer.

[08:16:05]

dtm:

no.

[08:16:41]

dtm:

since you're responding with a question, the answer is obviously no :)

[08:18:51]

awilkins:

I found out why my MythTV install is borked..... It's very annoying ; for some reason, many of my database varchar fields have shrunk!!?!?!

[08:19:23]

dtm:

awilkins: the reason is because mythtv uses mysql ^_^ you can run a repair

[08:19:27]

dtm:

operation

[08:19:43]

dtm:

because that's what mysql does.

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awilkins:

dtm: What, shrink varchar fields for fun?

[08:20:01]

dtm:

i mean, silent data corruption, that is

[08:20:39]

awilkins:

It doesn't seem like corruption ; it's too "nice" – I mean, why wouldn't there be more damage than just some shrunken columns.....

[08:20:39]

dtm:

i dont know about that in particular but all manner of corruption in general. i've not seen any particular bounds to its silent data corrupting capabilities, nor any amount of talent which can prevent it.

[08:20:41]

Anduin:

I hate MySQL as much as the next person, but it usually only punishes sinners.

[08:20:55]

dtm:

hheee

[08:21:18]

awilkins:

Hmm, the sinner is probably my mother-in-law, who looks after my daughter and hard-resets on a whim

[08:21:38]

dtm:

awilkins: you shall google for "mysql recovery" or somesuch

[08:21:48]

dtm:

there are clear docs on it, like running a command

[08:22:07]

dtm:

unless i am misunderstanding the nature of your issue.

[08:22:22]

dtm:

but i'm pretty sure it's just inherent.

[08:22:56]

alsoconfused:

awilkins: are you upgrading versions of myth?

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awilkins:

alsoconfused: I did, but I dumped the DB first and this is what happened

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alsoconfused:

i think the problem isnt that the fields shrunk, but that they haven't been grown to the size the new version wants

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awilkins:

I take it there are magic options in mysqldump that prevent it screwing up your data in subtle wyas

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alsoconfused:

awilkins: i've never seen mysql decide to change the schema

[08:24:42]

awilkins:

alsoconfused: Naah, it doesn't work with the old revision I was using

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Anduin:

awilkins: How did you upgrade exactly?

[08:25:14]

awilkins:

Compile head of SVN, install, run mythtv-setup,

[08:25:56]

Anduin:

awilkins: And the DB stuff specifically?

[08:26:17]

awilkins:

awilkins: I only mysqldump it first so I can revert if needded

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Anduin:

awilkins: Ok, so no reimport?

[08:26:41]

awilkins:

Well, I have NOW

[08:26:59]

awilkins:

Because I had to backup to check it wasn't the new revision that was borked

[08:27:30]

alsoconfused:

are the create table commands in the dumpfile the right size?

[08:27:32]

awilkins:

But when the old version had the same problem, I hunted around in the logs and figured it out – it's because all the multiplex params are one char short

[08:28:04]

** awilkins looks **

[08:28:32]

awilkins:

Yup

[08:28:32]

alsoconfused:

and does the dump also contain drop table commands?

[08:28:53]

alsoconfused:

what cmd did you use to reload it?

[08:28:58]

awilkins:

With stupid column types like "varchar(3) default 'auto'

[08:29:22]

awilkins:

Which is impossible – that should fail some kind of assertion....

[08:29:47]

awilkins:

mysql -p<passwd> < mythdb_backup.sql

[08:30:07]

awilkins:

The dump is fubar.

[08:31:11]

alsoconfused:

if it's just the create table cmds, it's easily fixed?

[08:31:42]

awilkins:

Yeah, it's going to be tedious though

[08:31:50]

awilkins:

I think it did it to every table

[08:31:54]

alsoconfused:

i wouldn't think so

[08:32:01]

Coume:

erm playing a DVD on a celeron 2.7Ghz with 512Mhz would not be slow right?

[08:32:05]

awilkins:

The callsigns in "channel" are truncated by one char too

[08:32:35]

Anduin:

Coume: Shouldn't be.

[08:32:42]

awilkins:

It's like it took all the varchar columns and trimmed them down to the required size to hold the existing data, minus 1

[08:33:13]

Coume:

Anduin, should the HDD performance influence the playing?

[08:33:54]

Anduin:

Coume: Not really (even the internal player is just reading off the DVD)

[08:34:50]

Coume:

Anduin, ok something must be wrong somewhere then :) no idea what though...

[08:35:35]

alsoconfused:

awilkins: is it the myisam table handler?

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awilkins:

ermmmm

[08:36:25]

awilkins:

Yes

[08:36:28]

awilkins:

MyISAM tables

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laga:

Coume: make sure dma is enabled on your dvd drive. hdparm -d /dev/ice

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alsoconfused:

i'm very surprised by that, but it sure sounds like a serious mysql bug.

[08:36:51]

Anduin:

Coume: Which player? DMA enabled?

[08:36:56]

k-man:

damn, my mythtv data is not working

[08:37:03]

awilkins:

alsoconfused: Is this a well known MySQL thing?

[08:37:06]

k-man:

anyone here in australia using the immr script?

[08:37:06]

Coume:

laga, there is dma on dvd player too??

[08:37:18]

laga:

Coume: yep.

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alsoconfused:

awilkins: i've used mysqldump for databases with tens of millions of records. never a problem.

[08:37:46]

Coume:

erm must be the trick then... since I cannot use DMA on the CF card... I am quite sure I did not activate it for the dvd

[08:38:21]

alsoconfused:

awilkins: did you use any strange options on the mysqldump?

[08:38:41]

Coume:

laga, Anduin you were right... DMA not activated on DVD... stupid me!

[08:38:47]

laga:

:)

[08:38:49]

laga:

!trout Coume

[08:38:49]

** MythLogBot slaps Coume with a trout on behalf of laga... **

[08:39:03]

laga:

Coume: post a picture of you wearing that short, BTW ;)

[08:39:19]

Coume:

eheh

[08:39:21]

awilkins:

alsoconfused: Nope, just mysqldump -p <pwd> --databases mythconverg

[08:41:29]

Coume:

laga, erm it won't let me turn DMA on.. http://pastebin.ca/76222

[08:42:19]

laga:

Coume: are you UID0?

[08:42:54]

Coume:

laga, I am root... might have messed up the kernel config...

[08:43:31]

laga:

Coume: probably... check dmesg. does dma work for your hdd?

[08:43:55]

Coume:

laga, I cannot use DMA on my CF card.

[08:43:56]

awilkins:

Bah, I find myself wishing that Myth used sqllite

[08:44:06]

Coume:

laga, or at least I think I cannot :)

[08:45:15]

laga:

Coume: :)

[08:45:44]

Coume:

laga, that's the kernel which must not have the righ tconfig... dman I have to emerge the kernel source again...

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laga:

hehe :>

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awilkins:

I have a cunning plan... I will start a new, empty DB with mythtv-setup, and then dump it, and then transpose the DDL statements into my previous dump.

[08:56:52]

awilkins:

This should fix my problems

[08:57:16]

alsoconfused:

awilkins: that's what i was thinking when i said that i wouldn't think it would be tedious.

[08:57:36]

alsoconfused:

i thought you said the data is corrupted though.

[08:58:47]

awilkins:

The data is corrupted by the column truncation – the data itself in the dump is fine

[08:58:55]

alsoconfused:

awilkins: ahh, excellent

[08:58:59]

awilkins:

THe DDL in the dump is too short for the data it holds

[08:59:06]

awilkins:

Mad

[08:59:39]

alsoconfused:

you can use the --no-data option to mysqldump to get just the schema

[08:59:44]

awilkins:

Can you make mythtv-setup point at a different DB?

[09:00:28]

alsoconfused:

awilkins: possible, but something else you can do is to shutdown the mysql server and move/copy /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg

[09:00:51]

k-man:

anyone here in sydne?

[09:00:53]

k-man:

sydney

[09:00:58]

k-man:

australia?

[09:01:38]

stuarta:

not till Christmas :)

[09:01:53]

alsoconfused:

awilkins: btw, which version of mysql is this? do the versions all match?

[09:02:09]

awilkins:

alsoconfused: I have a feeling that may be the problem

[09:02:14]

awilkins:

awilkins: It's v 4.14

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awilkins:

awilkins: But I don't think the upgrade script in my distro packaging system worked – I ended up trashing the data folder and copying the objects back in to kludge them in....

[09:03:07]

awilkins:

Maybe the metadataformats changed.

[09:03:17]

awilkins:

But this was some time ago

[09:03:38]

awilkins:

I suspect that it's happy enough with data too long for the defined column size, until it comes to dump it out.

[09:04:15]

alsoconfused:

no, i don't think it will ever store anything larger than the defined size.

[09:06:22]

mchou:

I've never had mysql automagically shrink my varchar fields

[09:07:07]

awilkins:

Like I said, it wasn't exactly a conventional backup / restore.... I basically reattached DB files from an older version

[09:07:19]

awilkins:

It all *seemed* to work

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mchou:

awilkins: define "reattached"

[09:07:59]

mchou:

you just used the files in the mysql data folder?

[09:08:11]

stuarta:

ugh. i'd resinstall the old version, dump the db, then re-install the new version

[09:08:13]

awilkins:

Pretty much, yes

[09:08:18]

awilkins:

Yes, well, I was silly

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[09:08:49]

mchou:

awilkins: from what ver to which ver? curious cause I do the same thing :)

[09:08:52]

awilkins:

I just assumed that a package manager offering to upgrade MySQL from 4.0 to 4.1 wasn't going to screw things up, it did.

[09:09:18]

awilkins:

I had to resort to file-surgery

[09:09:24]

mchou:

awilkins: bah, I had no such problems

[09:10:00]

awilkins:

Ah well, on with the dump surgery

[09:11:00]

** LLyric got his new linux box today. Is myth/ivtv stable on 64-bit fedora, or should I stick to my existing 32 bit install? **

[09:11:04]

** awilkins executes a DROP ALL TABLES **

[09:11:22]

mchou:

LLyric: which proc and mobo?

[09:11:36]

stuarta:

LLyric: a *lot* of people run on 64bit

[09:11:47]

mchou:

LLyric: why did you buy now?

[09:12:11]

LLyric:

amd64–939 x2 dual core 3800+. ASUS A8N5X (nforce) motherboard + nv 6600GT video.

[09:12:16]

mchou:

LLyric: but when AMD drops prices after intel conroe comes out

[09:12:27]

mchou:

s/but/buy

[09:12:31]

** LLyric more wonder about ivtv and driver for his dvb-t card **

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LLyric:

mchou: impulse buy. I'

[09:13:03]

LLyric:

ll probably buy another soon for a frontend.

[09:13:07]

LLyric:

Probably single-core for that

[09:13:08]

mchou:

LLyric: ya could have saved a bundle if you just waited one month :)

[09:13:55]

LLyric:

mchou: I understand that the big price drops are only going to be on the high-end dual cores 4200+ 4400+ 4800+

[09:14:12]

LLyric:

For lower-end stuff, maybe 20% drop.

[09:14:24]

LLyric:

A$50 or so

[09:14:34]

mchou:

LLyric: I thought there was a better deal for id-hi range dual cores

[09:14:42]

mchou:

s/id/mid

[09:15:02]

mchou:

better than 20% at least

[09:15:49]

mchou:

I was almost tempted though to upgrade today to a single core 3500+

[09:16:25]

mchou:

prices are ridiculously low at frys

[09:17:42]

stuarta:

by the time the amd am2 sockets are affordable I'll have the money to buy one :)

[09:18:21]

LLyric:

Also, the date on the receipt is yesterday, the last day of the financial year.

[09:18:42]

LLyric:

Since I claim the PC as a business expense, and the rules are changing for the worse

[09:18:58]

mchou:

stuarta: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.a . . . 05&type=

[09:19:09]

mchou:

LLyric: ok, then you are entitled :)

[09:19:34]

LLyric:

So I'm downloading fc5/x86_64 – that's right for my system?

[09:19:40]

** LLyric never owned a 64 bit system before **

[09:20:17]

mchou:

LLyric: make sure you install cpufreq and powernow

[09:20:39]

** LLyric writes that down **

[09:21:10]

mchou:

LLyric: but I bet you probably are using an overkill of a PSU

[09:21:23]

mchou:

LLyric: ==more noise

[09:21:51]

mchou:

LLyric: I think you may be in for a real treat

[09:22:03]

mchou:

how quiet things a going to be :)

[09:22:08]

LLyric:

It seems pretty quiet! I bought a good antec (I think) that's really quiet, but my case came with a PSU

[09:22:12]

LLyric:

I tried it out, and it's fine!

[09:22:13]

mchou:

are*

[09:22:37]

LLyric:

Maybe I'll switch over sometime, but I think all the noise is my disks anyway

[09:22:54]

mchou:

bah!

[09:22:56]

** awilkins loves BeyondCompare **

[09:23:17]

LLyric:

I have all my old disks in, so I can copy stuff off:

[09:23:23]

LLyric:

1x80 2x160 2x200 2x300

[09:23:30]

mchou:

lol

[09:24:10]

LLyric:

Man it's fast :)

[09:24:12]

k-man:

how do i get mythfilldatabase to refill the database?

[09:24:12]

mchou:

LLyric: time to buy those Seagate 500GB SATA IIs

[09:24:16]

LLyric:

Compared to the 800Mhz EPIA that it's replacing :)

[09:24:31]

k-man:

ie, get all data available and fill database, not just the next 7th day or whatever

[09:24:47]

LLyric:

I just bought the 2x300's today. They were out of 320s, and the bigger drivers were a bit cost-prohibitive.

[09:25:07]

mchou:

LLyric: how much for the 300?

[09:25:07]

LLyric:

Right now it's running a uniprocessor 586 kernel :)

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[09:25:41]

LLyric:

AU$144. I guess that's about US$100?

[09:25:49]

** LLyric checks the exchange rate **

[09:25:59]

mchou:

LLyric: bah. Things are expensive in AU

[09:26:09]

LLyric:

yeah, we're in the middle of nowhere.

[09:26:16]

mchou:

hehe

[09:26:27]

LLyric:

It was a WD 8MB cache, so it ain't all bad

[09:27:04]

mchou:

I regularly get retail seagate 300GB for $70 no rebates now

[09:27:32]

mchou:

out the door price

[09:27:46]

** LLyric shrugs **

[09:27:54]

mchou:

sometimes it's even cheaper with rebates

[09:28:00]

LLyric:

That's great for you, but I got a good price for here.

[09:28:11]

timbo_:

HELP!!! i've a memory problem... mythbackend consumes more and more memory until it get's killed or brings down the whole machine has been going great for a couple of weeks but without changing anything tonight it's hell and I'm trying to record something I have not seen befor

[09:28:22]

LLyric:

A$144 = US$107

[09:28:48]

mchou:

LLyric: when you build a raid set those savings help :)

[09:29:01]

LLyric:

Sure

[09:29:06]

** LLyric uses suicide stripes for mythtv recordings **

[09:29:25]

stuarta:

mchou: that board only has a 939 socket. I'm talking AM2 socket.

[09:29:45]

mchou:

stuarta: man, I was only illustrating the point

[09:30:53]

LLyric:

Over here, AM2 costs nearly twice the price, and the motherboard selection seems pretty limtied

[09:30:54]

LLyric:

limited

[09:31:22]

stuarta:

okay, cool.

[09:31:50]

mchou:

stuarta: and beggars cant be choosers

[09:32:01]

stuarta:

only like them cause they are the boards that take the CPU's that have pacifica technolgy in them

[09:32:18]

mchou:

stuarta: it's not as if 939 is half the performance of AM2 procs

[09:32:38]

stuarta:

mchou: have one of them already :)

[09:33:15]

stuarta:

just the pacifica stuff allows full virtualization in hardware. ie. multiple os's running on the one host.

[09:33:24]

mchou:

stuarta: lol

[09:34:25]

mchou:

stuarta: what other OS are you gonna run? Microshaft?

[09:34:36]

stuarta:

not if I can help it...

[09:34:56]

mchou:

stuarta: come on, be specific

[09:36:02]

mchou:

stuarta: xen is more troube than it's worth.....

[09:36:07]

mchou:

trouble*

[09:36:23]

stuarta:

i'm keeping a careful eye on it...

[09:37:11]

mchou:

stuarta: on what specifically?

[09:37:33]

stuarta:

xen

[09:38:06]

stuarta:

have it running on some hardware, just not yet on my machine.

[09:38:46]

LLyric:

Is there any point in using LVM, when my myth box is recording to a 2x300GB raid?

[09:38:46]

mchou:

I wonder if microsft charges you 2 licenses if you use virtualization

[09:38:59]

mchou:

LLyric: sire

[09:39:03]

mchou:

sure*

[09:39:31]

mchou:

LLyric: when you go RAID^2 :)

[09:39:35]

stuarta:

it's per cpu isn't it? 1 virtual cpu 1 license.

[09:40:06]

mchou:

stuarta: what's a CPU? is a core a CPU?

[09:40:48]

stuarta:

i'd say so, since all recents versions are licensed for 1–2 cpus. aka 1 HT processor

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mchou:

stuarta: right now MSFT only charges 1 license per SOCKET

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mchou:

stuarta: but heaven know how they gonna split that with virtualization

[09:46:33]

awilkins:

Bloody hell, why does "recordedmarkup2

[09:46:42]

awilkins:

Take up soo much of the database

[09:46:59]

mchou:

awilkins: cause it never gets cleaned

[09:47:11]

mchou:

awilkins: even if you delet recordings

[09:47:25]

mchou:

awilkins: one of my pet peeves about myth

[09:47:26]

awilkins:

Bah, so much for referential integrity

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Coume:

great so I messed up everything lol

[09:48:04]

Coume:

morning Juski

[09:48:18]

Juski:

morning Coume

[09:48:26]

stuarta:

morning juski

[09:48:43]

Juski:

been trying to build minimyth on umbongo... seems it doesn't include stuff like agpgart headers in user space :-/

[09:49:05]

Juski:

which of course would be why X is failing to build

[09:50:01]

mchou:

man, I'm still pissed about Tour de France doping scandal

[09:50:14]

Coume:

mchou, it has been like that for ages...

[09:50:22]

Juski:

so I guess you can't build LFS on Umbongo either.. at least not without modifying files

[09:50:29]

mchou:

was so looking forward to Ullrich vs. Basso

[09:50:41]

Coume:

I wish they will be able in 5–7 years to discover what armstrong was taking...

[09:50:52]

** Juski wonders if today's post has come yet **

[09:51:10]

Coume:

Juski, you stop using gentoo?

[09:51:24]

Juski:

nah.. this is a side-project

[09:51:33]

Juski:

you know how I like to be busy

[09:51:56]

mchou:

Coume: why in 5–7 yrs?

[09:52:05]

mchou:

Coume: why not sooner?

[09:53:28]

Coume:

mchou, usually they take a while to discover the new products... the *doctors/scientists* behind doping got years of advance.

[09:53:37]

Coume:

Juski, yeah seems so :)

[09:54:33]

Coume:

ok, recompile kernel with dma... working great for the cdrom... but it is trying to use DMA for the CF card which is creating errors...

[09:54:41]

mchou:

Coume: you know Armstrong flap just exploded in the US again

[09:54:41]

awilkins:

Holy cannoli, OpenWRT makes my router go faster....

[09:55:02]

Coume:

mchou, flap? what is that?

[09:55:08]

laga:

openwrt rocks.

[09:55:10]

Juski:

.. yeah prolly will. until your dog walks in the room

[09:55:24]

Juski:

or like, a fly lands on the antenna

[09:55:37]

laga:

Juski: polemic bastard ;)

[09:55:38]

mchou:

Coume: Betsy Andreu, wife of Armstrong's former team-mates, Frankie Andreu

[09:55:55]

Juski:

heh

[09:56:22]

laga:

i'm on kubuntu dapper drake now. very nice, imho :)

[09:56:43]

Coume:

eheh was not aware of that :)

[09:57:06]

Juski:

any linux distro is nice til it won't do what you want it to

[09:57:10]

Juski:

;-)

[09:57:25]

mchou:

Coume: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5517391

[09:57:47]

mchou:

Coume: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5509378

[09:58:03]

mchou:

Coume: 2nd link is better

[09:58:07]

Juski:

almost time to start wondering where the hell that 2nd s100 box has got to

[09:58:32]

Coume:

Juski, got mythvideo, and mythdvd running...the box should be ready sunday night :)

[09:58:41]

Coume:

Juski, when did they ship it?

[09:58:42]

laga:

Juski: zenslack bootet one time on mine. :/ now it complains about not being able to find the rootfs. i'll investigate tomorrow. ;)

[09:58:56]

laga:

Juski: got fed up with gentoo, i don't have enough time to make it work right now

[09:59:06]

Juski:

Coume: last week.. they told me it'd been shipped on friday

[09:59:07]

stuarta:

Juski: you planning on breeding them?

[09:59:16]

Juski:

stuarta: lol

[09:59:28]

mchou:

stuarta: haha!!

[09:59:29]

kayelem:

Juski, you got enough s100's for now? Is it safe for me to go after 'em without bidding against ya?

[09:59:37]

mchou:

stuarta: byte sex

[09:59:41]

Juski:

.. or waiting til the price goes way up & selling it at a huge profit

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mchou:

Juski: forget about it

[10:00:00]

Juski:

I saw one online yesterday with a buy it now price of 199 EUR

[10:00:12]

mchou:

Juski: nobody wants those underpowered crap

[10:00:33]

Juski:

mchou: in your opinion, maybe. certainly nobody in the USA because of the shipping costs

[10:00:36]

Coume:

Juski, how many u got?

[10:00:49]

Juski:

Coume: one now, and one to follow. that's the lot

[10:00:54]

laga:

mchou: how are they underpowered?

[10:01:11]

Coume:

Juski, ok I thought you bought like LOTS :)

[10:01:12]

Juski:

because they won't do HD, I guess

[10:01:22]

laga:

Juski: aaaaw! poor mchouchou!

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kayelem:

I'll be happy with 1 msntv2 and 1 s100; because they got different TV encoders...

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awilkins:

Bah, cruddy myth schema can't cope with multi-byte chars either

[10:01:33]

mchou:

Juski: exactly

[10:01:43]

Juski:

well apparently they'll do 720p though

[10:01:45]

awilkins:

It defines keys that are more than 1000 bytes in unicode....

[10:02:14]

** awilkins hath reached the moment of truth **

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** awilkins truth hath not arrived **

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mchou:

Coume: read the 2nd link yet?

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Coume:

mchou, interesting indeed :)

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alsoconfused:

awilkins: what went wrong?

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Coume:

mchou, I haven't heard about it in the UK, I'm sure in the French newspaper they must have though!

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awilkins:

alsoconfused: Dunno

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mchou:

Coume: no doubt

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mchou:

Coume: the French would be all over it

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Juski:

anyway, so the s100 can't decode 1080i HD.. name any other box you can buy for $50 that will :-P

[10:10:27]

Coume:

Juski, yeah that's the thing.... I like the S100 idea for one thing... the price :)

[10:10:34]

Coume:

oh and fanless

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awilkins:

Dammit, the DB is fine now but it STILL WONT LOCK CHANNELS

[10:11:30]

awilkins:

Grr, Why can't myth just use tzap, that works fine ****!"($(*^!"(£&!("&£!"£

[10:11:48]

awilkins:

Accursed signal monitor code needs a bypass flag

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mchou:

Coume: you notice no French riders were disqualified :)

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Juski:

I'll experiment with mofifying the case to fit a dvdrom drive.. then maybe sell my epia system

[10:12:26]

Juski:

awilkins: is this with svn? what kind of DVB tuner?

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** stuarta is interested in awilkins issues too **

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Juski:

likely DVB-T

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stuarta:

awilkins: have you adjusted the timeout values in the card setup?

[10:14:19]

Juski:

not one of those awful USB stick thingies is it?

[10:15:07]

stuarta:

those things are pretty evil... might pick one up one day for fun :)

[10:15:43]

Juski:

though my skepticism is only based on the fact they use silicon tuners, and I've not heard anything good about them

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Juski:

stuarta: yeh.. they can be had for about £15 in some places

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stuarta:

that's a nice price

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Juski:

£26.90 inc VAT at scan today, but I've seen em cheaper

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Juski:

definitely _the_ cheapest digital tuners out there

[10:18:39]

stuarta:

what make?

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Juski:

Leadtek

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Juski:

Freecom & Compro cost an extra fiver

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stuarta:

think that's basically the reference design that's floating around

[10:19:46]

Juski:

like all of leadtek's cards you mean?

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stuarta:

do they actually have any designers?

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Juski:

I don't think so, judging by how many 'ref design' clones they churn out

[10:20:56]

Coume:

damnit, is there a way to say in the kernel not to try turning on DMA automatically?

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laga:

Coume: yep, i think so. :)

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laga:

not sure where, though. it's in the menu where you turn on support for your ide chipset, i believe.

[10:21:32]

Juski:

that said, nobody changes the ref. designs much in real life. the video encoders in our boxen at work are basically textbook stuff

[10:21:33]

stuarta:

there's always a way. Just need to find the magic incantation.

[10:21:46]

Coume:

laga, so I much be really stupid... I need a second coffeeeeeeeee

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Juski:

Coume: you could always put an hdparm command in an rc script

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Juski:

hackish but it might work for you

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Juski:

DMA can be disabled as well as enabled ;-)

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Coume:

Juski, I did :) but it is taken into consideration too late...

[10:22:49]

Juski:

blech

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stuarta:

think you can pass the mode in as a kernel param

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Juski:

oh yeah you have the system on the CF card

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Coume:

so it is always trying *liek within the boot* to activate the DMa on the CF card, whereas my /etc/conf.d/hdparm say NO DMA on /dev/hda

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Coume:

before I had no DMA in the kernel was working fine but the DVD playing was sluggish

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Coume:

stuarta, interesting, I will try to google that

[10:24:58]

Juski:

-ide=nodma ?

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Juski:

doh that's just the option for the install cd

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stuarta:

it should be possible to specify the drive as well

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laga:

Coume: check device drivers -> ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support

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laga:

for example: Use PCI DMA by default when available

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Coume:

laga, I am in it, but cannot see something mentionning automatic

[10:26:17]

Coume:

yeah but IDE is not PCI?

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Coume:

could it be the one?

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laga:

i *think* so. kernel recompile doesn't hurt :)

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** laga is quite happy with 2.6.17.3 except that the f'ing irda port won't work **

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laga:

but it has never worked before. which is especially frustrating because i've seen lots of reports of people who'd got it work.

[10:28:06]

Coume:

laga, recompiling... will you be the king :)

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laga:

Coume: :)

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Coume:

like something weird... when the bzImage is loaded, the screen on TVout get scrambled... and once it load the font thingie, it is working fine...

[10:31:47]

Juski:

Coume: are you using bootsplash?

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Coume:

Juski, nop, nothing at all

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Juski:

it might still be putting the VGA into a weird mode that doesn't work with the tv out

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Coume:

yeah it must be that... once the box is fully working. I would like to add the blootsplash on the Frontend. I remember seeing a nice MythTV one once on Google

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Juski:

maybe you could've just put ide=nodma at the end of the kernel line in grub.conf

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Coume:

laga, it was that it is working.

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laga:

Coume: all hail to me. :)

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Coume:

but now, I discovered that /etc/init.d/hdparm accept parameter for HDD but seems to not *consider* the one for the CDROM

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Coume:

laga, I ordered a new phone from germany :) a siemens C450 IP, it has good review, I hope it will work well

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Juski:

I've been trying to think of a way to get the s100 tv-out working before X starts

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LoneShadow:

Juski, is s100 available in belgium ?

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Juski:

LoneShadow: germany, but the ebay sellers ship internationally

[10:48:33]

Juski:

well, some do

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laga:

when i try to write or receive messages in kopete, i get a message saying that it couldn't analyze my the message which likely heppane sbecause i didn't set the correct character set for my IM buddy. i can send and receive messages just fine, i just can't read them. i wanna get a huge baseball bat, write "userfriendly" on it and whack the developers head repeatedly.

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Coume:

woohhhhhhhooooooooo call me GentooMeister :) lol

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Coume:

I had to use /dev/hdb instead of /dev/cdrom to turn on DMA on the cdrom using /etc/conf.d/hdparm... don't ask me why... anything working great now :)

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** stuarta suspects laga is talking gibberish **

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Juski:

no post yet :-/ damn lazy Royal Mail

[10:54:30]

laga:

stuarta: no, just being very annoyed. ;)

[10:54:38]

laga:

apt-get install gaim fixed everything :)

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laga:

another example of ubuntu being braindead: when i boot in recovery mode to remove a init script that causes the system to hang on boot, it asks me for my _root_ password.

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stuarta:

no thats security

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stuarta:

hacking 101

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laga:

stuarta: yes, i completely understand that. it's just that there is no root password on ubuntu.

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stuarta:

huh, now I'm confused.

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Juski:

one of the first things I do is set a root password on umbongo

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Juski:

pisses me off to have to type sudo before every forking command ;-)

[10:58:15]

Juski:

note to complete & utter noobs... don't do that ^^^^

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Juski:

not using the root account doesn't stop a silly person doing damage IMHO – it only delays it

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kayelem:

root passwords are kinda handy...

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kayelem:

what does umbongo do? not allow root logins at all by default?

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laga:

kayelem: no. everything is done via sudo.

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** kayelem nods **

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laga:

Juski: sudo bash helps a lot :)

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Juski:

lol

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kayelem:

laga, :)

[11:01:12]

Juski:

anyway if a user makes daft mistakes like doing rm -rf /* they soon learn

[11:01:30]

laga:

f'ing broken konqueror, the fish and kio slaves never work properly for me.

[11:01:38]

Juski:

if they have a braincell or 2... and if they don't.. wtf are they using linux for anyway?

[11:01:43]

laga:

file can't be written. give me a f'in reason, dammit!!

[11:01:49]

kayelem:

heh – I know i learned a lot way back when by totally hosing a linux install and having do reinstall...

[11:02:03]

Juski:

awww is kubuntu looking sucky suddenly? ;-)

[11:02:24]

laga:

Juski: just kubuntu. but other distros have their problems as well.

[11:02:28]

kayelem:

I persevered with it; Linux brought back the fun I'd been missing since the old 8-bit micro days

[11:02:34]

laga:

i should just go back to fluxbox and vim...

[11:02:58]

Juski:

all distros have some hangup or other

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Juski:

it's not 'which is best'... it's 'which sucks less from my point of view?'

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laga:

Juski: yes, unfortunately.

[11:03:25]

kayelem:

Just have to try a few and find one you can live with

[11:03:47]

laga:

kayelem: i've tried lots. gentoo and ubuntu seem to be the best so far, but i can't really be bothered to do all the compiling...

[11:03:51]

kayelem:

From my POV, Slackware sucks least on servers, gentoo on desktops...

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laga:

it's probably because i did a dist-upgrade to dapper drake.

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kayelem:

and gentoo on 3 boxes with distccd and the same gcc version helps with the compiling...

[11:04:32]

laga:

but i actually don't know why ubuntu is so popular. f'ing hype.

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Juski:

maybe the umbongo man is secretly on Bill Gates' payroll.. release a distro that becomes mega popular, then turn it to sludge

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** awilkins cheers **

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awilkins:

The inbuilt scanning routine is pure horsepoo

[11:09:43]

Juski:

I wouldn't have said that if I were you...

[11:09:45]

awilkins:

And my dtv_multiplex schema was still magled

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awilkins:

all the 1 char flags were char(0) for some reason

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** Juski hands stuarta an AK47 **

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awilkins:

V.helpful

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Juski:

awilkins: are you using 0.19-fixes, svn, 0.19.. ???

[11:10:34]

awilkins:

HEAD

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awilkins:

Had a bit of a DB disaster, I think

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Juski:

awilkins: what kind of dvb tuner?

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awilkins:

mysqldump outputted data with a totally fubar schema

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laga:

i've heard that 0.19-fixes is broken for dvb-s. 0.19 vanilla was fine. *sigh*

[11:11:13]

awilkins:

Hauppauge WinTV Nova-T PCI, and two USB 2s

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Juski:

scanning is totally broken on svn head with my card, but that's because the driver doesn't return the frequency it's tuned to properly

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awilkins:

It doesn't get the same freqs as dvbscan for starters ; how crucial are the hundreds?

[11:11:53]

Juski:

very

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awilkins:

Heh, then it doesn't work

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Juski:

it's a known problem

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Juski:

and it's on the to-do list

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awilkins:

And the whole "auto" business for various params is not adequate, it seems

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Juski:

awilkins: again, depends on the driver how fruitful that is

[11:12:43]

awilkins:

Hand-edit them to the values in dvbscan channels.conf and it's fine

[11:12:57]

awilkins:

how come dvbscan can get it right?

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Juski:

awilkins: because it doesn't rely on the data the driver passes back to it

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Juski:

loads of drivers are (fuck it, it needs to be said) are in need of being re-written

[11:13:47]

awilkins:

I'd agree

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awilkins:

THe data that tzap spits is very confusing

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awilkins:

ANd I p[resume that returns the driver outputs

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Juski:

they've been trying to agree on an API for ages now

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Juski:

until that happens, it's big doo-doo

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awilkins:

Does dvbscan use the little metadatafiles?

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Juski:

my drivers return the inverse of some of the parameters.. with a signal of $0007 I get a good stream. When I unplug the aerial I get $FFFF signal :-/

[11:15:34]

awilkins:

Or does it just use them for the first "tune" and then use the data that the transmitter outputs in the ?EIT tables?

[11:15:43]

awilkins:

Heh, mine are like that

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awilkins:

Signal = 00000000

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Juski:

same card, based on the conexant ref. design

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awilkins:

I usually just rely on the SNR

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awilkins:

If that is steady, you have a good signal.

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Juski:

the drivers were some of the earliest written I think

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awilkins:

Steady, rather than high or low

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awilkins:

If it flibbles about you wont ge ta lock

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Juski:

so it's not the scanning that's poo

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Juski:

it's the drivers

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Juski:

the scanning works within the parameters of what passes for the DVB API

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awilkins:

Bah, darn drivers

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** stuarta plays with the ak47 & tries not to shoot himself in the foot. **

[11:18:14]

awilkins:

I guess I'll be finding out if the "import channels.conf" option works well now.

[11:18:23]

awilkins:

Or hand-editing as usual :-)

[11:18:24]

Juski:

I don't see why myth can't just do what tzap & so on do, but I don't write the code ;-)

[11:18:34]

Juski:

awilkins: it will, but not if you want to use EIT data

[11:18:52]

awilkins:

Why not EIT data (I use the Radio Times though)

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stuarta:

i really must get around to fixing that...

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Juski:

for that you need to use some verbose stuff from tzap

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Juski:

then do the DB mangling

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awilkins:

Ah, hand editing is the way to go, I think

[11:19:20]

Juski:

like the good ole days :-)

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awilkins:

Bah, may as well just write a script to do it....

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Juski:

one day the drivers will all conform to the API, but for that to happen they have to decide on one

[11:20:32]

awilkins:

EIT is useful during the world cup, I suppose

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Juski:

and wombledong

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awilkins:

BEcause they keep rescheduling shows

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awilkins:

And thus I miss Dr Who

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Juski:

slightly

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awilkins:

Gits

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Juski:

I've added like 45 minutes padding to dr who

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awilkins:

At least Wimbledone has ladies tennis

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Juski:

better make it 3 hours

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Juski:

only 2 episodes left

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stuarta:

ah crap. dr who after wombledon :(

[11:22:00]

Juski:

then we'll have Torchwood to look fwd to with John (I'm so pretty) Barrowman

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hashbang:

Juski: good idea!

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** hashbang adds padding also **

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: New DrWho is tonight isn;t it? Or was it last night ?

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Dagmar:

It's tonight

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Juski:

tonight. 7pm (-0 hrs + 6 hrs, maybe)

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GreyFoxx:

Cool.

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** stuarta looks for the repeat **

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Juski:

yeh at least bbc3 always run on time

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kayelem:

Juski, ooooh, you got a date for Torchwood starting?

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Dagmar:

One of the advantages of having to see them second-hand is that someone else gets to deal with broadcast schedule inaccuracies

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** hashbang adds 45m and hopes for the best. Can always pick it up a couple more times if the worst comes to the worst **

[11:24:14]

GreyFoxx:

Torchwoodgoing to be aspin of or something ?

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Juski:

kayelem: check digitalspy for that if you can stand the nerdiness there. I keep looking, seeing a subject that looks vaguely interesting in the forums & then going "bugger.. another BB thread"

[11:24:40]

kayelem:

GreyFoxx, yeah, I read of Torchwood in SFX magazine last year sometime...

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Dagmar:

Is that the one I've been hearing rumors about having Captain Jack in it as a regular?

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GreyFoxx:

nifty, I'll have to watch for thattoo

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: torchwood is supposed to be about a UK govt. research facility who dabble in alien tech & stuff

[11:25:23]

GreyFoxx:

hehe CAptain Jack was cool

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kayelem:

GreyFoxx, Features John Barrowman <swoon> :-D

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Dagmar:

They don't dabble.

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GreyFoxx:

Ok. same actor but not same character I assume :)

[11:25:42]

Dagmar:

They use as much of it as they can get their hands on in order to keep track of "The Alien Threat"

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kayelem:

GreyFoxx, same character, aparrently.

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Juski:

from what I've read, they don't know what they're doing, so I'd call it dabbling

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GreyFoxx:

kayelem: Nifty.

[11:26:10]

Dagmar:

What do you expect from hairless monkeys?

[11:26:16]

Juski:

lol

[11:26:20]

kayelem:

I'd like to see more of Captain Jack...

[11:26:38]

Juski:

kayelem: reckon you could turn him? ;-)

[11:26:46]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: I can't really see them shemping that close to the mythos

[11:26:56]

Dagmar:

It would very confusing to have him on and *not* be Cap'n Jack

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kayelem:

Juski, well, he appeared to be pretty ambivalent...

[11:27:18]

Dagmar:

Now there's an interesting word for it

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Juski:

bi-valent?

[11:27:46]

Dagmar:

The Cap'n Jack character is definitely bisexual.

[11:27:48]

kayelem:

Juski, I picked up some hints he wasn't all that concerned about species, never mind gender.

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Juski:

omni-valent...

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Dagmar:

That's probably a better phrase for it. heh

[11:28:25]

stuarta:

right. now I'm recording both tonights and the repeat :)

[11:28:28]

Dagmar:

Hitting on Rose, hitting on the Doctor, hitting on whatever was handy...

[11:28:53]

Dagmar:

s/the/The/;

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Juski:

I've got dr who set to record 'at any time on any channel' minus the UK Gold repeats

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stuarta:

same, duplicate detection is working so I have to override it

[11:29:41]

Dagmar:

I kinda wonder if they're going to use this as a vehicle for bringing Mickey back

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kayelem:

I'll try to get it off BBC1 tonight, though I don't hold out much hope. Think I'll get it off BBC3 as well this time.

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Juski:

I can stand the poor sets, wooden acting etc.. of the older ones.. just not the BBC RW musak

[11:30:14]

stuarta:

lets go back to 3–5 part episodes....

[11:30:16]

kayelem:

Bloody sports, more important? Grrrr....

[11:30:41]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: I thought the same, kinda odd since they just got rid of him A couple eps ago

[11:30:42]

stuarta:

kayelem: fallback plan, friday :)

[11:30:42]

Juski:

stuarta: with the attention span of today's yoof? you kidding?

[11:30:59]

stuarta:

living in fantasy land i think

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: Well, at some point they're going to have to drop Rose back off at home. She'll be pretty bored without him

[11:31:20]

Dagmar:

The odds are fairly long they'll do away with Rose by having something eat her.

[11:31:21]

stuarta:

i vote for bumping her off

[11:31:22]

GreyFoxx:

Did I read that Billie Piper was leaving after this season ?

[11:31:31]

stuarta:

yup

[11:31:37]

Dagmar:

Not many of his chickies last more than two seasons

[11:31:40]

GreyFoxx:

Any idea who is her replacement ?

[11:31:45]

Juski:

and that devil dood said she's gonna die in a big war...

[11:31:45]

GreyFoxx:

<<-- Liked Rose heh

[11:31:47]

Dagmar:

I'm pulling for a redhead.

[11:31:50]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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Juski:

I don't care who it is, as long as it's not a) Scouse scum-chick Jennifer Ellison or b) any bint out of Hollyhocks

[11:32:20]

Dagmar:

Juski: That guy is also, I'll remind you, the Father of Lies.

[11:32:27]

kayelem:

I'd doubt we'd get Captain Jack as the new companion... still, i can dream...

[11:32:35]

Dagmar:

It might be some Alternate Rose that gets offed

[11:32:56]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: Well if it's the same alternate universe Michey was in, there wasn't a Rose (cept the dog)

[11:33:10]

GreyFoxx:

BUT if it's another altername universe, it could be another rose

[11:33:10]

** stuarta demands more k9 **

[11:33:16]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but The Doctor also put a stop to the Cybermen in _that_ alternate Earth.

[11:33:23]

Juski:

I hope to God T. Davies doesn't write any more episodes though

[11:33:25]

Dagmar:

Looks like we agree.

[11:33:49]

Dagmar:

What? You don't like the Doctor Who: Deep Space 9 episodes?

[11:33:54]

kayelem:

"The Idiot's Lantern" was one of my faves. Though i would say that.

[11:34:15]

Dagmar:

Oh wait, that's right. He's the one wot writes the touristy ones.

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kayelem:

'fraid I did spot a Philips TV that wasn't made for another 5 years in that ep, though...

[11:34:45]

Juski:

kayelem: I expect to see your letter on PoV this Sunday then ;-)

[11:34:49]

Dagmar:

Dude, there's *time machines* in the shot.

[11:35:05]

Dagmar:

Don't get all nitpicky about model release dates. Heh

[11:35:07]

kayelem:

Juski, I let them off. I'm not a *complete* anorak, y'know :)

[11:35:52]

Juski:

though BBC props are usually pretty spot-on with stuff like that...

[11:36:13]

stuarta:

speaking of star trek. it's back on next sat. original pilot episode & all

[11:36:21]

kayelem:

I have to get some screenshots of "The Idiots Lantern" off a vintage TV for my website

[11:36:34]

Juski:

on 'click' the other week they were saying how moving to HD production is going to mean a whole lot more attention to detail in the props dept

[11:36:51]

Juski:

... which is amazing considering the lengths they already go to

[11:36:51]

Dagmar:

I should hope so.

[11:36:57]

kayelem:

Juski, yeah, they were pretty good; Magpie's TV/Radio shop was just how those places used to be, nigh on perfect.

[11:37:02]

Dagmar:

Otherwise you'll be like "Hey, I can see tape holding that thing together"

[11:37:34]

Juski:

gaffer tape should only ever be used to hold costumes & body parts in place, not sets ;-)

[11:37:44]

kayelem:

haha :)

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Dagmar:

My mother has almost no experience with HD broadcasts. She was a little baffled at first about why she could see all the buildings so clearly in panoramic shots.

[11:38:40]

Juski:

I want to find a copy of the $ky HD advert so I can do a bootleg spoof of it

[11:38:48]

kayelem:

I'm still in mild shock having recently gone from analogue PAL to DVB-T fed directly into my telly via the SCART.

[11:39:14]

Dagmar:

It takes some getting used to, definitely.

[11:39:16]

kayelem:

HD this soon afterwards might cause my head to explode.

[11:39:24]

Juski:

'soon' ?

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Dagmar:

I'm seriously thinkign about selling the 19" TV I bought and just getting another 19" monitor

[11:39:37]

kayelem:

I'd better get used to the detail and accuracy of colours of this, first.

[11:40:11]

Juski:

yeh. try doubling the colour detail like HD does... oh wait no I think it's twice the chroma res. in both axes

[11:40:55]

kayelem:

Juski, well, I know I'd have to wait for Emley Moor to start shoving HD broadcasts out so there's a bit of time yet. And I'll need to get an early eighties French 819-line set with SCART :)

[11:41:37]

Juski:

spent the last hour an a half at work yesterday looking at how colour 'works' in PAL.. I'm still not sure I understand it

[11:41:38]

kayelem:

(half-way to HD on a low budget...)

[11:42:30]

kayelem:

Juski, try getting your head round NTSC first, PAL is NTSC with extras.

[11:43:06]

Juski:

having a programmable signal generator & lots of fancy test gear helps ;-)

[11:43:16]

Dagmar:

extras == support for clearer bad dentistry.

[11:43:16]

Juski:

so you can _see_ what's going on

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Dagmar:

;)

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kayelem:

NTSC and PAL are close enough that one of my projects is modifying the PAL decoder in a 405/625 set so it'll do NTSC-A

[11:43:51]

Juski:

yeh just do away with the chroma PLL & you'll have NTSC :-P

[11:44:06]

Dagmar:

Well, if you chop off some lines and drop a lot of frames

[11:44:12]

Juski:

or something to randomise the phase of the colour burst

[11:44:35]

Juski:

"I can see blue people"

[11:45:36]

Juski:

with the plethora of worldwide TV standards, I'd hate to have been in the TV manufacturing biz before multi-talented decoders came aong

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Dagmar:

there's pills for that

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kayelem:

Dagmar, I'm just talking about the colour encoding atm; line/frame rate's largely irrelevant; you can shove NTSC or PAL colour on 405/525/625/819/whatever if you want.

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Juski:

though most video decoders just do a quick & dirty chroma separation, even with comb filtering

[11:46:34]

kayelem:

In the UK we experimented with NTSC, PAL and SECAM on 405 and 625.

[11:47:22]

kayelem:

Settled on PAL on 625 UHF and not bothering with colour at all on 405 VHF

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Juski:

we had a joke at work about what'd have happened if Logie Baird's format had been chosen... like imagine a JLB DVD camcorder.. .:-P

[11:48:04]

kayelem:

Juski, the 30-line one or the 240-line 25Hz progressive one?

[11:48:10]

Juski:

oh wait... I need a new candle!

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Juski:

ahh BBC nostalgia... "1970s.. Research Department gives world's first public demonstration of digital recording of stereo audio signals."

[11:50:42]

Juski:

1971 !!

[11:50:49]

kayelem:

Rumour has it, that when Blumlein and co were working on an electronic version of Baird's 240-line standard they figured "change a divide by 3 to a 5" and ended up with 405.

[11:51:08]

Dagmar:

...which did everyone a world of good since their tele only had the one bad speaker

[11:51:26]

kayelem:

hey, the old sets weren't bad for sound...

[11:51:31]

Juski:

still 1971:... Early experiments on digital video recording.

[11:51:37]

kayelem:

big 10" or 12" driver in a solid wooden cabinet...

[11:52:02]

kayelem:

modern plastic-cased sets sound bloody awful.

[11:52:08]

Juski:

making the audio use FM was a master stroke

[11:52:19]

kayelem:

I can't use the internal speakers in my Mitsubishi, it's *offensively* bad.

[11:52:33]

Dagmar:

reuse of existing and proven technology

[11:52:46]

Juski:

my panny's aren't bad, but nowhere near as good as my floorstanders

[11:53:02]

kayelem:

Juski, though the bandwidth of the AM sound on VHF was bloody good. Heard 405-line VHF sound ona big console?

[11:53:57]

Juski:

I must've done at some point in my life, but I can remember 405 from Burnhope being switched off

[11:54:30]

Juski:

NICAM was developed in 1978... jees

[11:54:36]

kayelem:

Juski, yup. That'd be January 1985 or thereabouts.

[11:55:52]

kayelem:

243 = 3 X 3 X 3 X 3 X 3 – Change the last figure to 5 and you get 405.

[11:55:53]

Juski:

we've had our money's worth out of the beeb, whether most people realise it or not

[11:56:50]

kayelem:

yup, I've known ex BBC R&D guys, they're damn good

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Dagmar:

Excepting that audio broadcasts over AM go straight to crap in a thunderstorm.

[11:58:31]

kayelem:

Dagmar, not a problem now as one generates the VHF signal locally.

[11:59:21]

Dagmar:

What? You mean carried over coax?

[11:59:28]

kayelem:

With a MythTV box doing 405 you really get to see how good it was. Better than a lot of people think and perfectly acceptable on the screen sizes of the time.

[12:00:02]

kayelem:

Dagmar, yup. MythTV box -> RGBHV-monochrome composite converter -> VHF modulator -> aerial socket of vintage TV.

[12:00:08]

Dagmar:

Oh I see

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Dagmar:

You must not have many thunderstorms.

[12:00:24]

Dagmar:

Or very, very shielded cabling.

[12:00:42]

Dagmar:

Here, we have them all through the summer of the type that make you think that possibly, God has has quite enough of everyone's antics.

[12:00:57]

kayelem:

there's no 405-line VHF broadcasts now. And with a decent level signal from the modulator it's like being a mile from the transmitter.

[12:01:20]

kayelem:

nice strong signal, the AGC in the RF and IF stages cranks the gain right down.

[12:01:45]

Dagmar:

Heh. Lightning laughs at your attempts to thwart it

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kayelem:

so no problems due to the vision being positive modulation. no problems with AM sound.

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kayelem:

pre 1985 you'd get white spots on the picture every time car with badly suppressed ignition went past.

[12:03:09]

Juski:

... which in 1985 was lots of cars

[12:03:12]

Dagmar:

Okay, now imagine that car were the size of a middle school, with nineteen engines.

[12:03:17]

kayelem:

switching to neg. vision mod. and FM sound was a good thing.

[12:03:20]

Juski:

scooters == enemy of Freeview :-P

[12:03:43]

laga:

scooters = enemy of common sense and good taste ;)

[12:03:51]

Juski:

true

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kayelem:

but hey, in 1936 405-lines with potitive vision mod. and AM sound was cutting edge tech :)

[12:04:02]

Juski:

like those cars fitted with 'wanker lights'

[12:04:20]

Juski:

nah... they could do FM with a wobbulator

[12:04:54]

Juski:

wobbulator == great name for a modulatable signal generator

[12:05:00]

** kayelem nods **

[12:05:10]

kayelem:

handy for aligning the IF on stuff.

[12:05:19]

Juski:

so silly even dr who wouldn't use it as a techy term

[12:05:25]

kayelem:

heh

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kayelem:

but such a handy bit of kit if you play with old analogue stuff too much :)

[12:06:03]

Dagmar:

Good for opening garage doors

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kayelem:

right... me -> breakfast then administrivia

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kayelem:

biab

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Russel:

hiho

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Russel:

i have a v4l card, and want to use the dma sound device, to get sound (don't have a connector), how must i setup the whole thing?

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endy_:

hi

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endy_:

i have a litle problem configurin mythtv

[12:18:39]

endy_:

someone help me pls

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gardengnome:

endy_: just ask a question

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gardengnome:

Russel: i'd suspect that you load the btaudio module, verify it's working (aplay maybe) and then enter it as the sozund device in mythtv

[12:19:57]

gardengnome:

endy_: get the hell outta that query and ask your question here.

[12:20:01]

gardengnome:

endy_: read the FAQ.

[12:20:05]

gardengnome:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/

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gardengnome:

endy_: stop flooding me you retard.

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fred_basset:

!trout endy_

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** MythLogBot slaps endy_ with a trout on behalf of fred_basset... **

[12:22:37]

endy_:

yes

[12:22:39]

endy_:

i read the faq

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endy_:

but looket what happened

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endy_:

endy@endy ~ $ mythtv-setup

[12:22:46]

endy_:

2006-07–01 14:59:26.424 Using runtime prefix = /usr

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endy_:

2006-07–01 14:59:26.442 XScreenSaver support enabled

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endy_:

QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded

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endy_:

QSqlDatabase: available drivers:

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endy_:

2006-07–01 14:59:26.450 New DB connection, total: 1

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endy_:

2006-07–01 14:59:26.450 Unable to connect to database!

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endy_:

2006-07–01 14:59:26.450 No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

[12:23:02]

endy_:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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endy_:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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endy_:

2006-07–01 14:59:26.501 DB Error (KickDatabase):

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fred_basset:

endy_: use a pastebin!!!! pastebin.ca

[12:23:07]

endy_:

Query was:

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endy_:

SELECT NULL;

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endy_:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

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Dagmar:

endy_: Flooding is bad. Do it again and no more answers for you.

[12:23:23]

endy_:

ok sorry

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Juski:

strange.. mythtv has been installed without mysql support in QT

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Dagmar:

endy_: Your problem is your Qt build sucks and does not have MySQL support/

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** fred_basset sets the 5 minute timer before giving an answer **

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endy_:

hmm ok 10x

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Russel:

gardengnome: i need btaudio?

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endy_:

i recompile now and try again

[12:24:01]

gardengnome:

endy_: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#IR . . . ed_Questions

[12:24:19]

gardengnome:

Russel: yes. but not many cards are supported.. note that under alsa, the module has a different name

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endy_:

sorry again for flood

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endy_:

no more

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Russel:

ups no card given i have an saa7134 card

[12:24:56]

Russel:

a alsa device exists with it, but i don't get sound...

[12:25:10]

Russel:

in mythtv card audio device is already set to /dev/dsp1

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gardengnome:

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Russel:

jep

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gardengnome:

Russel: google the name of your card together with btaudio to see if it's supported

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gardengnome:

Russel: nice. i'm like 20 minutes away from you then ;)

[12:26:49]

Russel:

:)

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Russel:

i don't need btaudio

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gardengnome:

how else are you gonna get sound then?

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Russel:

the driver provides an alsa device for saa7134 chipset

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gardengnome:

ah, ok.

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gardengnome:

Russel: BTW, what are you studying?

[12:29:34]

Russel:

and alsa driver is loaded

[12:29:37]

Russel:

informatik :)

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LLyric:

What's the current concensus on the correct filesystem to use for mythtv recordings? (fedora 5, 2x300GB in RAID0, LVM??)

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gardengnome:

Russel: ah, stereotypical :)

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Russel:

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gardengnome:

Russel: well, me. but i'm gonna go for computer linguistics :)

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janneg:

Lyric: xfs

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Russel:

:)

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Russel:

back to problem... how can i test if audio is working

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trentster:

Hey all, got an awesome mythbox up an running, everything is fantstic except tv=out on the nvidia 5200 is black and white...any ideas?

[12:31:26]

Dagmar:

Do it make a noise when you do `cat /vmlinuz > /dev/audio`

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Dagmar:

I'm not saying it will be a *pretty* noise, mind you

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Russel:

Dagmar: i mean audio from tv-card

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gardengnome:

Russel: either try to get your card (and audio) to work in xawtv or mplayer or go to the big, expensive blue C and buy a cable. if your card supports loopback cables

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Dagmar:

Russel: Tune to something that isn't a silent movie or the guide channel

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LLyric:

trentster: I recall reading something about that – it was something simple

[12:32:12]

LLyric:

trentster: so don't panic :)

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trentster:

LLyric, thanks.....

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LLyric:

trentster: something like the wrong type of PAL configured (PAL-B instead of something... maybe), or a svideo vs. composite issue

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LLyric:

trentster: search the mailing list

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** LLyric building a new myth front/backend right now **

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trentster:

LLyric will do thanks

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gardengnome:

trentster: option a: you're in pal land and outputting ntsc – this is easily changed via the X config. option b: you're outputting svideo to a TV that will only accept cvbs. get a different cable and/or adjust your X config

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trentster:

gardengnome, thanks, yes I am in PAL land..

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trentster:

gardengnome, so i need to make a change in XF86config-4 ?

[12:36:06]

gardengnome:

trentster: probably. there's an appendix in the nvidia readme that deals with tv-out.

[12:36:47]

trentster:

gardengnome, I assume I have to change" Option "TVStandard" "NTSC-M"" to PAL?

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gardengnome:

trentster: might just work :)

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trentster:

thanks..

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Russel:

i get an error: VIDIOCSYNC Input/output error, starting up as the master server if defined but isn't attached to a cardinput

[12:39:33]

Russel:

could it have something to do with my soundproblem?

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gardengnome:

Russel: mythtv is not configured properly. you need to go through all steps (well, except for the last one) in mythtv-setup. if you're on analogue tv, i sugges tthat you read http://www.mythwiki.de/index.php/HOWTO_Mythilldatabase

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Russel:

video source doesn't work, what should i do?

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gardengnome:

upgrade xmltv to the latest & greatest or search http://de.mythtvtalk.com/forum/ – look for a pinned thread there, probably in the "Allgemeines" section. and i'd recommend that you join #mythtv-de where other germans will be help you with country spwecific problems while i mow the lawn...

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trentster:

Ok finally got colour via nvidia 5200 tv out, but look s like image is slightly larger than tv screen so losing some of the menu's on the edges....any ideas?

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kayelem:

trentster, you can: a) resize just the UI in the drontend setup. b) adjust the size of the whole display with nvidia-settings. c) adjust height and width of your TV.

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kayelem:

*frontend

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trentster:

kayelem, thanks.....can i do this via ssh or do i need to pull the pc out of the tv cabinet and set it up with a monitor,mouse and keyboard?

[13:19:05]

kayelem:

You can do this on the TV. I just get an xterminal up on the desktop to tweak nvidia-settings. You ned a line in your .xinitrc to read the settings back when X starts.

[13:20:28]

Zider:

I haven't found anything in nvidia-settings that can alter the overscan size

[13:20:34]

kayelem:

trentster, you need it to be displaying on the TV as nvidia-settings is an interactive GUI tool and you need to see what's happening.

[13:20:56]

kayelem:

Zider, at least using the TV-out on my GeForce4 and FX5200 there's an "overscan" slider...

[13:21:08]

Zider:

nothing like that on my GF2MX..

[13:21:13]

Zider:

nvtv can do it tho

[13:21:16]

kayelem:

that's a GF2 though

[13:21:31]

trentster:

kayelem, how do i get an xterminal up on the desktop if I havent got a keyboard plugged in.

[13:21:49]

Zider:

I just put nvtv in the fluxbox-startup to set the size..

[13:22:43]

kayelem:

trentster, ah. I have a keyboard and handheld trackball on mine, and fluxbox windowmanager running underneath; so can just exit the mythtv frontend, get an xterm up from the menu and tweak.

[13:23:04]

trentster:

kayelem, ok so I need to plug a keyboard and mouse in..

[13:23:14]

kayelem:

Zider, yup. nvtv is the way to do this on anything pre GeForce4. Later cards all work with nvidia-settings, though

[13:23:45]

kayelem:

I don't run a GF2 as they don't support interlace on the RGB output.

[13:23:46]

trentster:

kayelem, im using a 5200 so I should go nvidia settings route?

[13:24:04]

kayelem:

trentster, yup. should work fine. Has sliders for overscan and lots of other stuff.

[13:24:09]

Zider:

I run a gf2mx because I got it cheap.. ;)

[13:24:11]

LLyric:

What do I need to do, to allow mythtv user to access DB cards? mythtvsetup is saying it doesn't have access right now

[13:24:41]

kayelem:

trentster, but read the docs – you need a line in your .xinitrc to load the saved settings when X starts.

[13:25:30]

trentster:

kayelem, i have changed the TVStandard setting in XF86config-4 from NTSC to PAL-B does not seem to make any difference

[13:26:40]

Zider:

are there still distros not running xorg? :P

[13:26:42]

kayelem:

trentster, made no difference to what? What's the problem?

[13:27:15]

trentster:

kayelem, also for some reason the live tv does not look nearly as clear as plugging the sattelite decoder output directly into the tv..is this a limitation of nvidia tv out....or could it be a setting that needs to be tweaked.

[13:27:51]

trentster:

kayelem, trying to get picture sharper....I am In a country that uses pal standard.

[13:28:38]

kayelem:

trentster, many and varied problems... you're feeding the output of your sat. box into composite or s-video in on the Myth box?

[13:29:32]

Zider:

kayelem: you wouldn't happen to know how to get nvtv to move the image up/down/left/right on startup? not using the GUI that is..

[13:29:32]

trentster:

kayelem, yes, into the yellow rca connection on the hauppauge pvr-150 and then going out to tv via nvidia tv-out S-video

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kayelem:

trentster, you may need to alter the compression and/or capture resolution for LiveTV; reduce the compression and increase the resolution; if you've enough CPU power. Maybe try mpeg4 instead of rt-jpeg.

[13:32:06]

trentster:

kayelem, so you dont think its a poor quality cable problem..u think its a encoding codec problem?

[13:32:28]

kayelem:

trentster, also bear in mind you will now have: "PAL encode -> PAL decode -> capture -> encode with mpeg4/rt-jpeg -> decode -> PAL encode -> PAL decode -> TV picture" – there's bound to be some quality loss.

[13:32:47]

trentster:

kayelem, this system is a amd 64 2800 512 mb's of ram..will it handle mpeg4?

[13:33:18]

trentster:

kayelem, ok..so whats the ideal to use. to maximise picture quality....in your opinion?

[13:33:19]

kayelem:

ought to, i think my 2GHz Athlon XP will. But I have DVB-T so get an mpeg2 stream coming in.

[13:34:02]

kayelem:

trentster, I dunno, you'll have to experiment. Less compression == more disk usage but better quality. It's all a tradeoff that you'll have to decide on.

[13:34:40]

Zider:

use realmedia! ;D

[13:35:04]

trentster:

kayelem, hmmm yeah.....I can handle more space used, as there is a big hard drive and the music and vdeos are sitting on another linux box.

[13:35:22]

kayelem:

trentster, here, I get a lousy analogue signal so capture at 320x240 and use a fair bit of compression on the analogue TV card; it's only for "standby" use when allt he DVB-T cards are in use.

[13:36:15]

Hoxzer:

YEAH!

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trentster:

kayelem, do i change these settings under preffered mpeg 2 decoder..at the moment its on "standard"

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kayelem:

trentster, no; that's the decoder. You need to change the encoder settings elsewhere for the recording profile "LiveTV" (and probably "Default")

[13:38:10]

trentster:

ok

[13:38:50]

kayelem:

Can't remember exactly where these are as it's not something I have to touch; I get no choice in the matter when the encoding's done before they broadcast it.

[13:39:05]

kayelem:

...and can *someone* tell channel bloody five to fix their encoder, please?

[13:39:41]

kayelem:

At least the BBC seem to know what they're doing.

[13:41:39]

kayelem:

ah well... I think swapping PAL artifacts for mpeg artifacts is an improvement...

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** fred_basset goes to lie in the sun for a bit... **

[13:44:09]

Zider:

all lies!

[13:44:22]

Zider:

I prefer telling the truth in the sun :P

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Sebulba02:

heh

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Juski:

Zider: AFAIK not_myth still uses Xfree86

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awilkins:

trentster: I use SSH for management ; you can even run mythtv-setup over it.

[13:49:08]

awilkins:

Hmm, maybe I should turn on the timestamps in my IRC client

[13:49:40]

kayelem:

awilkins, I'm not sure you can use nvidia-settings remotely, though

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** awilkins tries it **

[13:50:22]

kayelem:

I've never tried as I don't use the TV out any more

[13:50:35]

awilkins:

Nope, you can't

[13:50:56]

awilkins:

The display needs an extension to control it

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Juski:

you can if you use vnc on a real X server though

[13:51:12]

awilkins:

True

[13:51:18]

kayelem:

Juski, yeah, i can see that working

[13:52:10]

kayelem:

nvidia-settings isn't really useful to me now I'm feeding RGB up me SCART though

[13:52:20]

Juski:

hmm I wonder what I'd need to do to get distcc working with this minimyth build

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** LLyric gets his dvb-t working, after some hassle **

[13:52:36]

awilkins:

kayelem: I just edit the settings in Xorg.conf anyway

[13:52:59]

kayelem:

I ended up getting into the service menu on my TV and tweaked width, height, and horizontal/vertical position to match the output of the Myth box since it's never used with anything else these says.

[13:53:15]

LLyric:

But quality isn't so good – some screen corruption

[13:53:16]

kayelem:

s/says/days/

[13:53:21]

awilkins:

LLyric: DVB-T is much less hassle now

[13:54:09]

kayelem:

Having a few test-cards in MythGallery's useful...

[13:54:23]

Juski:

hello! The words "digital" and "quality" are not synonymous :-P

[13:54:24]

LLyric:

Yeah, that's why I bothered at all. I'm using 0.19

[13:54:39]

Juski:

boils my pee to see statements like "in full digital quality"

[13:54:41]

LLyric:

My digital settop box works fine, but this doesn't .

[13:55:05]

Juski:

tuner quality varies a lot in PC devices

[13:55:15]

LLyric:

It might be the remote frontend – we'll see once I install nv drivers on the backend, so I can try it there.

[13:55:20]

kayelem:

awilkins, yup; I've tweaked timings a bit in my X modeline but that "multiple of 8" requirement for the horizontal section means the TV still needs a tweak to get the size/centering right.

[13:55:21]

awilkins:

Are you splitting the signal at all?

[13:55:29]

Juski:

I wouldn't trust a low-profile silicon tuner as far as I could chuck one

[13:55:38]

awilkins:

kayelem: You can fiddle the TVOverscan sc

[13:55:41]

awilkins:

setting

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LLyric:

Not out of the wall, but the antenna is split into three in the roof

[13:55:51]

kayelem:

awilkins, not when you're not using the TV out you can't.

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bretonslivka:

i have a question about lirc if anyone here is willing to answer

[13:55:57]

awilkins:

kayelem: True

[13:56:08]

Juski:

LLyric: splitting RF feeds more than once without an amplifier is not advised

[13:56:12]

awilkins:

bretonslivka: WE can't tell until you ask :-)

[13:56:12]

bretonslivka:

a couple questions really

[13:56:16]

bretonslivka:

Well

[13:56:24]

bretonslivka:

I am compiling lirc 0.8.0

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bretonslivka:

with the mceusb driver

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bretonslivka:

but when I launch lircd --driver=?

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bretonslivka:

it only lists "default"

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kayelem:

Juski, indeed – things are much improved with an MATV launch amplifier where my downlead comes in and a 6-way splitter screwed to the back of the Myth box :)

[13:57:11]

bretonslivka:

and I can't get it to compile with all drivers. It fails at the gpio driver

[13:57:13]

awilkins:

Does the mceusb driver output to an event device?

[13:57:25]

kayelem:

Juski, the loop outputs on the Hauppauge Nova-T are *useless*.

[13:57:28]

LLyric:

Yeah, I'll do all that stuff in the new house, but this is a rental :/

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** LLyric is using a dvico dual tuner thing **

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bretonslivka:

Im not sure what you mean by event device

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bretonslivka:

it's a driver for the media center remote that came with mce 2004 pc's

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awilkins:

bretonslivka: e.g. – all the IR controls on my devices output to /dev/eventX

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awilkins:

bretonslivka: And LIRC has an "event" driver

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Juski:

mmmmm jubby lolly

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bretonslivka:

awilkins : any documentation about this? the only thing I can find are "guides"

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bretonslivka:

that tell you to use setup.sh

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bretonslivka:

don't mention anything about an event driver

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Juski:

my athlon boxen cause global warming

[14:00:43]

kayelem:

heh, several Athlons in here...

[14:01:07]

awilkins:

bretonslivka: do an lsmod – are lirc_dev and lirc_mceusb present?

[14:01:10]

kayelem:

And several big old CRT monitors...

[14:01:16]

kayelem:

I need aircon.

[14:01:46]

Juski:

or just fix the window catches

[14:01:47]

bretonslivka:

Yeah

[14:01:53]

Juski:

much cheaper

[14:02:04]

bretonslivka:

the modules were present before I went crazy and uninstalled everything in frustration

[14:02:04]

kayelem:

Juski, rented house + cheapskate landlord :-(

[14:02:17]

bretonslivka:

everything having to do with lirc anyway

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awilkins:

bretonslivka: And it's not one of the newer Philips remotes, I presume....

[14:02:21]

bretonslivka:

Nope

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bretonslivka:

older style

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awilkins:

And when compiling LIRC, did you configure --with-driver mceusb ?

[14:03:03]

bretonslivka:

yes

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awilkins:

Hmm

[14:03:28]

Juski:

modprobe -l |grep lirc

[14:03:29]

awilkins:

You have my sympathies, getting LIRC to work was a nightmare for me

[14:04:09]

bretonslivka:

Juski: It would show all the expected modules

[14:04:20]

bretonslivka:

basically everything works except lircd itself

[14:04:30]

bretonslivka:

irw doesn't show events

[14:04:33]

bretonslivka:

mode2 does

[14:04:44]

LLyric:

Is there a key to show the tuner information (eg: signal strength) again, once tuned?

[14:04:45]

Juski:

lircd config issue then

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bretonslivka:

I just copied over the config file for the MCE remotes

[14:05:37]

bretonslivka:

i tried using irrecord but it would fail

[14:05:57]

Juski:

I mean lircd is possibly trying to use the wrong device

[14:05:57]

bretonslivka:

"oops, something went wrong" etc..

[14:06:17]

bretonslivka:

I've launched lirce -d /dev/lirc0 with the same results

[14:06:28]

bretonslivka:

s/lirce/lircd

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Juski:

yeah but .. is lirc0 actually lirc0 or is it /dev/lirc/0 ?

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awilkins:

bretonslivka: You said gpio won't build ; if you don't have a Brooktree card, It's not useful anyway.

[14:09:43]

bretonslivka:

I know. that's just if i try configure --with-driver=all

[14:09:58]

ddd:

kayelem, thanks got the overscan settig working with nvidia-settings.....I just noticed I have a thin blue line on the border of live tv viewing as well as when i play back a divx video......any ideas how i sort this out?

[14:10:18]

Juski:

xvattr – google it ;-)

[14:10:45]

Juski:

ooo... http://www.mini-itx.com/2006/06/10/via-previe . . . -motherboard

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bretonslivka:

awilkins: because as I said, lirc doesn't seem to be compiling with mceusb support, even though I have the --with-driver=mceusb line

[14:11:30]

ddd:

awilkins, sorry I was away..hot did u get ssh working for running mythtv-setup

[14:11:39]

bretonslivka:

unless "default" is an alias for whatever driver it's compiled with

[14:11:49]

bretonslivka:

But I can't find anything that says that

[14:12:13]

ddd:

got the overscan settig working with nvidia-settings.....I just noticed I have a thin blue line on the border of live tv viewing as well as when i play back a divx video......any ideas how i sort this out?

[14:12:19]

Dagmar:

You sure you're running the build you just compiled and not a different one?

[14:12:21]

awilkins:

ddd: Well, for me, it's using Cygwin's "xwin" X server, and enabling the relevant tunneling options in my SSH client.

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Dagmar:

The configure script output should be pretty clear about what it's building for

[14:14:19]

Dagmar:

If nothing else, lircd --driver=help will make it say what it was compiled for

[14:14:26]

bretonslivka:

it says default

[14:14:30]

bretonslivka:

just default

[14:14:32]

bretonslivka:

that's it

[14:14:39]

bretonslivka:

that's what i've been saying

[14:14:43]

Dagmar:

Then make sure you don't have another lircd binary rattling around someplace

[14:14:52]

bretonslivka:

I don't

[14:14:56]

bretonslivka:

i've deleted every one

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bretonslivka:

before compiling

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bretonslivka:

quit a perplexing problem yes?

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Russel:

hiho

[14:16:57]

Russel:

one question left: how do i configure mythtv to use a custom grabber for tv-data?

[14:17:28]

gardengnome:

Russel: you edit the source.

[14:17:48]

gardengnome:

Russel: or you have your grabber output its data to file and use mythfilldatabase --file

[14:18:07]

Dagmar:

Well, apparently --default is all it ever says if you only compiled it with support for one thing

[14:18:14]

Dagmar:

er 'default'

[14:18:15]

Russel:

gardengnome: there is the problem, i can fill the database, but i have no video source then

[14:18:23]

Dagmar:

I just built it again here with it87 or whatever suppoer

[14:18:53]

Dagmar:

Just take it on faith that it's got what it needs and *load the kernel module manually*

[14:18:59]

gardengnome:

Russel: just create a video source and abort when it's running the grabber. echo "select * from videosource;" | mysql -u mythtv -p<pass> to find out.

[14:19:32]

gardengnome:

ddd: either adjust overscan again or use xvattr to set it to black

[14:20:32]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: You think maybe the blue line is an odd-number/even-number issue possibly? I noticed the same thing here as well, but it's not doing it anymore

[14:20:35]

ddd:

gardengnome, thanks..sorted....

[14:20:38]

bretonslivka:

so in summary, the modules install okay, mode2 returns results, irw doesn't, lirc installs without error, but doesn't list that it supports the driver that I'm trying to install. There's no old lirc's hanging around, and i'm completely stumped

[14:21:39]

ddd:

weird.... using the hauppauge 150 using mplayer remote volume does not work but mute works..and watching live tv volume works but mute does not work.....any ideas?

[14:21:39]

Dagmar:

bretonslivka: Well, you're using a Microsoft device.

[14:21:48]

Dagmar:

It is of the devil and made to torment you

[14:21:55]

Russel:

gardengnome: doesn't work... no videosource let me have any data

[14:22:01]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: dunno. :) likely just the shitty nvidia driver :)

[14:22:14]

gardengnome:

Russel: please elaborate

[14:23:24]

Russel:

ok: video source -> new. xmltv script france. mythtv could not find information bla bla

[14:23:40]

gardengnome:

Russel: so what? the videosource got created in the database.

[14:23:42]

Russel:

mhhh seems to work now

[14:24:04]

Russel:

k i scan now

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bretonslivka:

dogmar: actually it's a phillips device. It just has usb id of microsoft

[14:24:20]

bretonslivka:

and it's microsoft branded

[14:24:31]

bretonslivka:

but fully manufactured by phillips, from what I've read

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Dagmar:

bretonslivka: Hah

[14:25:06]

Dagmar:

bretonslivka: Run setup.sh again and go one line further down in the menu

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Dagmar:

bretonslivka: It shouldl have occurred to me that since it's a USB device that it'll give hints to udev once you've run depmod, so it *should* have registered itself as belonging to that device/product id

[14:25:55]

Dagmar:

mceusb is not the correct module

[14:26:14]

Dagmar:

You need mceusb2

[14:26:39]

bretonslivka:

Even if it's an old style remote?

[14:26:55]

Dagmar:

Tail your syslog and plug it in and see what IDs it's giving

[14:27:05]

bretonslivka:

it's giving microsoft id's

[14:27:05]

Dagmar:

The remote doesn't matter for crap

[14:27:12]

Dagmar:

It's the dongle that plugs in the matters

[14:27:38]

Dagmar:

Looks like the thing is broken then. Try the LIRC mailing list or dig through their archive

[14:27:58]

bretonslivka:

*sigh* that's what I've been doing anyway

[14:28:03]

Dagmar:

...or say "to hell with it" and order a serial dongle from iguanasoft or something.

[14:28:19]

bretonslivka:

maybe I'll try my ati remote instead

[14:29:52]

awilkins_:

I like the one in my WinTV card....

[14:33:30]

ddd:

anyone know how to keep the changes made under "nvidia-settings" permananet so that when I reboot it automatically applies the correct settings?

[14:34:41]

gardengnome:

ddd: add it to your X startup scripts. if you're using a display manager: .Xsession, via startx: .xinitrc

[14:34:45]

bretonslivka:

hrmn. new clue. lircd -n (run lirc in foreground)

[14:34:57]

bretonslivka:

run irw in another console

[14:35:26]

bretonslivka:

lircd: lircd has segmentation fault

[14:35:37]

bretonslivka:

ccould not get file information for H=

[14:35:52]

gardengnome:

ddd: some of this stuff can also be set directly in your X config

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Juski:

drat & double drat

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ddd:

gardengnome, The correct way of doing it http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . idiasettings

[14:43:18]

Dagmar:

That URL results in a login request

[14:44:00]

ddd:

Dagmar, umm oh yeah u need to have a forum login....its free

[14:44:05]

Juski:

ddd you basically put "nvidia-settings -l " in your .xinitrc

[14:44:48]

ddd:

Juski, Put them in ~mythtv/.fluxbox/apps

[14:45:08]

Juski:

or in your .xinitrc – it doesn't matter

[14:45:28]

ddd:

yeah..true.

[14:45:46]

ddd:

anyone here using a hauppauge 150?

[14:45:58]

Juski:

gardengnome: my s100 isn't an s100 anymore. it's an anonymous silver box

[14:46:27]

Juski:

ddd: ask the question

[14:47:27]

Juski:

cos I could say "yes thanks I use a PVR150", and just go away

[14:48:09]

gardengnome:

Juski: how'd you do that?

[14:48:35]

Juski:

wire wool, wet & dry sandpaper & some silver paint

[14:48:36]

Dagmar:

I give that sort of answer all the time. What's wrong with it?

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gardengnome:

ddd: thanks for letting me know the *correct* way of doing it. i guess i must've been wrong for years. i'll correct it ASAP on my boxen.

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gardengnome:

Juski: ah, nice

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Dagmar:

By the way, denatured alcohol usually gets those pesky brands right off

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Dagmar:

Unless they're embossed they're usually done with some silkscreening stuff that dissolves right away without messing up the paint

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ddd:

gardengnome, <grin> no need for being condescending.

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ddd:

gardengnome, since you are such a veteran.. you want to have a bash helping me out with a mplayer remote issue.

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gardengnome:

ddd: sorry, i just love sarcasm ;)

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Dagmar:

Denatured alcohol, lighter fluid, and toner remover are three things which are handy for removing brand names

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alsoconfused:

ddd: i'll try to help if you want. where are you stuck?

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ddd:

using the hauppauge 150 using mplayer remote volume does not work but mute works..and watching live tv volume works but mute does not work.....any ideas?

[14:53:36]

alsoconfused:

are you sure you have the correct /etc/lircd.conf

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ddd:

alsoconfused, well in knoppmyth setup it asked me what colour the remote was and I chose silver....since my remote is silver.

[14:55:05]

Juski:

lol

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Russel:

can i somehow merge the names, my grabber gives me and the thing that are scanned?

[14:55:28]

alsoconfused:

ddd: have you gone thru the buttons with irw?

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tims:

i just installed mythtv (yum install mythtv-suite) as soon as i launch any program (mythtv/ myhtvsetup etc) i get a segmentation fault, i removed the suite, and compiled mythtv from their website fine (no errors as i can tell) but it still gives me a seg fault... any ideas? is there a way to see why it is failing ?

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ddd:

but u know what they say about assumptions.

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ddd:

alsoconfused, irw?

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alsoconfused:

run it in a terminal and see if the output corresponds to buttons you push on the remote

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alsoconfused:

brb

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Dagmar:

ddd: They leave you covering the balloon on someone else's loan?

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ddd:

Dagmar, grin..

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alsoconfused:

ddd: did you try irw?

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ddd:

alsoconfused, yip irw confirms all the buttons are mapped correctly.

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ddd:

alsoconfused, yes.....

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ddd:

alsoconfused, I tested every button and they are all picked up correctly with irw!

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alsoconfused:

okay, that means the ir codes are mapped to the right cmd names. now you need to make sure that the cmds map correctly to the applications functions.

[15:00:41]

Juski:

so now check that the ~/.mythtv/lircrc definition of 'mute' is the same as the one irw produces

[15:00:44]

alsoconfused:

so...

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alsoconfused:

do what juski said, or run: ircat --config=~/.mythtv/lircrc mythtv

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ddd:

alsoconfused, yes its mapped with the same name.

[15:03:35]

alsoconfused:

try the cmd i just gave you, just to be sure

[15:04:16]

ddd:

alsoconfused, must i run it as root or as mythtv user

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alsoconfused:

i think either will work, but you may need to replace the ~ with an actual pathname

[15:06:32]

alsoconfused:

anything?

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ddd:

no nothing just went to next line ...

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ddd:

I had to ctrl c it to end it.

[15:07:25]

ddd:

what should it output?

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alsoconfused:

leave it running, and press buttons on the remote

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ddd:

ooops ok...

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alsoconfused:

just like with irw, except this will show how it all maps to mythtv functions

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ddd:

if i press mute it outputs "F9"

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alsoconfused:

that's correct

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alsoconfused:

did you say mute works?

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ddd:

alsoconfused, it works in mplayer playing movies...but not in live tv..... and volume controls dont work in mplayer but DO work in live TV

[15:09:51]

alsoconfused:

in live tv, does F9 work as mute

[15:10:12]

ddd:

alsoconfused, I dunno

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ddd:

all i know is it does not work when i press it.

[15:10:55]

alsoconfused:

can you try F9 on the keyboard?

[15:11:21]

ddd:

sorry..being blond again.

[15:11:27]

alsoconfused:

wait a sec, so mute does work?

[15:11:28]

tims:

alright, ive tried debian, knoppmyth, fedora 4, fedora 5, gentoo, i cant get any of these to work with mythtv. every guide says to just apt-get mythtv or yum install mythtv but they all end in seg faults or errors or dont see my cards. anyone have a version suggestion?

[15:12:03]

Juski:

tims: pop down to the local computer store & buy Windows MCE

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ddd:

alsoconfused, no, mute does not work..and nor does pressing f9 on the keyboard.

[15:12:33]

ddd:

Juski, <LOL>

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alsoconfused:

ddd: okay, the problem seems to be with the key mappings within mythtv

[15:12:54]

tims:

juski: im not a total newb to linux, i did have a mythtv box working years ago, but the guide i had is outdated and none of the packages are still around

[15:13:14]

tims:

it was on an old 400mhz machine and the cpu died

[15:13:24]

Juski:

tims: mythtv is likely to work on one of those distros. if it segfaults, then something is very wrong – probably not with mythtv

[15:13:34]

ddd:

tims, have you tested your hardware under windows by any chance..

[15:13:55]

Juski:

likely to be a good idea to test the memory extensively too

[15:14:07]

ddd:

tims, as i had the same problem and it turned out to be a faulty hauppauge card, replaced it and knoppmyth was working in about ten minutes.

[15:14:24]

tims:

yeah it works fine, closest i got was debian working, tv worked fine, i was trying to get my winfast 2000 card working as a backup, but i couldnt install mythweb/mythstream tv because i used a package to build it, and when i compiled the code i got segfaults with the new compiled version

[15:14:31]

alsoconfused:

ddd: in the frontend, go to setup->edit keys

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scales:

tims: i am configuring myth on fc5 as we speak, what problems did you have?

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ddd:

alsoconfused, ok one sec..

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tims:

scales: fc5 uses too new of a kernel i believe, the guides i was following was for FC4

[15:14:58]

kayelem:

tims, random segfaults and non-repeatable compile errors is often RAM – memtest86 – at least 10 passes.

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ddd:

alsoconfused, ok im there

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tims:

kayelem: its not random, i can reproduce them : ) i went through all the errors and everything went ok, but i will run memtest anyway :)

[15:15:45]

kayelem:

windows doesn't seen to stress hardware as much as linux.

[15:15:57]

Juski:

swapping distros isn't the way to get mythtv running. it really isn't that hard to get it free of catastrophic errors – at least if you use a stable version

[15:15:59]

scales:

tims: uh huh, jarods guide? i am going through that, i am installing my vid card drivers and will be installing myth in sec

[15:16:22]

tims:

is that from wilsonet.com ?

[15:16:25]

kayelem:

tims, well, if they're repeatable erroes then it's unlikely to be RAM – it's nice to rule things out as possibilities, though.

[15:16:33]

Juski:

and if doing it on so many platforms still doesn't work, that'd be telling me something

[15:17:04]

alsoconfused:

ddd: go to the tv playback section

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kayelem:

tims, I'd agree with Juski; it's better to stick with one distro and persevere. I've had a myth box working recently on gentoo

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ddd:

alsoconfused, yeah there...

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achew22:

are there any special things you need to do to enable sound out via spdif/toslink?

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alsoconfused:

ddd: then right-arrow and scroll down to MUTE

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tims:

well i did get the card to work under the debian package, but the problem was i couldnt compile any plugins unless they were packages because i didnt have the linux /mythtv src code

[15:17:22]

ddd:

alsoconfused, ok

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tims:

well main reason i didnt like gentoo was all the compiling, just to test somethign would take 8 hours to see if a different package would work

[15:17:46]

alsoconfused:

what does it show in the white boxes at the bottom

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alsoconfused:

?

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Juski:

tims: you give up way too easily I think

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ddd:

it shows "|"

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tims:

ive been trying for about a month now – heh

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alsoconfused:

ddd: it should also show F9

[15:18:28]

tims:

a week per distro including the weekend i thought was sufficient testing

[15:18:38]

tims:

now girlfriend is yelling at me to buy a tivo – heh

[15:18:42]

Juski:

no – you give up way too easily. brushing the problem under the carpet == switching distros

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ddd:

alsoconfused, damn......thanks a million is this the problem.

[15:19:21]

ddd:

alsoconfused, do i remove the "|" and replace it with "F9" or leave it and put "F9" in second box option?

[15:19:24]

alsoconfused:

ddd: yeah, i wonder why it's not set for you. it was just there for me as i recall

[15:19:27]

tims:

maybe ill go back to debian at the beginning... any suggestions to use a diff distro ?

[15:19:33]

tims:

(and stick with debian)

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alsoconfused:

ddd: mine shows | F9

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Juski:

tims: doing it on ubuntu from source went really smooth for me

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alsoconfused:

so i'd leave the existing one

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ddd:

alsoconfused, weird standard knoppmyth install....

[15:20:06]

alsoconfused:

ddd: is that the only button that doesn't work?

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ddd:

alsoconfused, at least i learnt something about keymappins..thanks a zillion, really, I appreciate it.

[15:20:30]

alsoconfused:

np

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tims:

oh, also tried ubuntu – heh, but ubuntu debian with a couple extra packages?

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Juski:

bastard. compiling bombed out again.. #endif without #if ...

[15:21:03]

tims:

*isnt ubuntu debian ...

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ddd:

alsoconfused, yes, except for in mplayer during movie playback..no volume up or down control.

[15:21:25]

Juski:

tims: yeh it's basically debian

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alsoconfused:

ddd: the application mapping for mplayer is in ~/.lircrc

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Juski:

install ubuntu, get build-essential & all the deps for compiling mythtv, then grab the source for 0.19-fixes out of svn.. configure, compile, use

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Juski:

and FYI in gentoo there's little point making everything from scratch IMHO.. just use the packages CD

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GreyFoxx:

.././......c

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tims:

i think i made the mistake of using the netinstall CD and had to compile KDE + xorg (took over 12 hours – heh) but ill go back with debian, i still have the cds – heh

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scales:

anyone answer a quick question for fc5. i am installing the nvidia drivers, and i press ctrl+alt+F1, then login and su, and it says that init 3 is not found

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tims:

scales: you doing that from X or from a tty ?

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ddd:

alsoconfused, there is no variables for "volume up or down" for mplayer in ~/.lircrc

[15:25:13]

tims:

i know i tried doing that from X as root and it didnt work, it should if you are in ctrl+f1

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ddd:

alsoconfused, thats probably why its not working

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scales:

umm, well i was in X, that is why i did that ctrl+alt+F1 and tried to type init 3

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scales:

oh

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scales:

wait

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scales:

i must be in tty?

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scales:

how can i get back in X

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alsoconfused:

ddd: do you want my .lircrc ?

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ddd:

alsoconfused, yes please....also do u use msn...if so can i add you?

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ddd:

alsoconfused, I mean gaim, with a msn id?

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alsoconfused:

ddd: no, i was thinking i'd paste it into a private message window.

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ddd:

alsoconfused, go 4 it

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Beirdo:

Fuk Liberty

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ddd:

alsoconfused, I have a linux server on the network that stores all the movies and audio etc......it is currenly running samba so that windows users can mount the drives etc.....whats the best way you reccomend of getting the data mapped into myth-tv......samba mounts and symbolic links or nfs..?

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kayelem:

eep. something aparrently went "bang" downstairs, only all the 'puters and everything's still working and there's no smoke...

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Beirdo:

kayelem, eek, that doesn't sound promising

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kayelem:

It's a fairly hot day here... wondering what's dying now... guess I'll have to wait for smoke...

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kayelem:

my partner says it sounded like a capacitor exploding...

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Juski:

make garchive

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Juski:

oops

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kayelem:

(and I know my partner's heard capacitors explode...)

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fred_basset:

and you end up with miles of fluff when they do

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kayelem:

yup :)

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ddd:

alsoconfused, can u not see my responses in the priv msg window?

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alsoconfused:

ddd: i can't

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ddd:

I have a linux server on the network that stores all the movies and audio etc......it is currenly running samba so that windows users can mount the drives etc.....whats the best way you reccomend of getting the data mapped into myth-tv......samba mounts and symbolic links or nfs..?

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alsoconfused:

ddd: try to msg me

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Rhubarb:

ddd: it doesn't matter. nfs is quite efficient though

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ddd:

Rhubarb, but nfs has a 1gig file copy limit i think.

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Rhubarb:

old versions do

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ddd:

alsoconfused, i think its beacuse im not registered....

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ddd:

alsoconfused, "Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems" thats the problem

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alsoconfused:

ddd: browse to 66.30.173.203:9999

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Rhubarb:

it's not a problem as far as I'm concerned

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ddd:

alsoconfused, u want to mail it....or should i register..

[15:38:07]

Rhubarb:

use a pastebin.. sheesh

[15:38:44]

alsoconfused:

i would have but i don't want line numbers

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alsoconfused:

pardon my irc n00biness

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alsoconfused:

ddd: got it?

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ddd:

alsoconfused, yes got it thanks...

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ddd:

alsoconfused, can i ask u one more important question then i promise to leave you in peace?

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alsoconfused:

yeah

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ddd:

alsoconfused, Unfortunately there is automated program data provider in my country, and i need to use the ir blaster that comes with the hauppauge 150 to send signals to the sattelite decoder to change channels... In the local forums someone posted this link for the program guide data " http://download.flash.za.org/schedule/zaxmltv.php" can u help me getting this working?

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ddd:

alsoconfused, I havent a clue when it comes to this part.

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alsoconfused:

ddd: i never did the irblaster thingy, but i think you need to tell myth the name of a program to use to change channels in mythtv-setup. someone correct me if that's wrong.

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Rhubarb:

ddd: that's a whole new kettle of fish

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ddd:

Rhubarb, <grin> am I going to be opening a real big can of whipass on my ass?

[15:47:50]

Rhubarb:

maybe

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ddd:

any advice guides etc?

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wwalker:

is the hauppage USB device supported? (WinTV USB 2)

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alsoconfused:

ddd: if i read that page correctly, it seems that there is an xmltv listing available for your provider.

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kernoman:

ive just installed 0.19.1 from source however when i run the mythtv-setup it comes up stating please run mythfilldatabase, i do thta and try again and it appear again – please help this is driving me mad

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MORA:

it shouldnt ask for filldatabase untill after setup

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ddd:

alsoconfused, I saw that....

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alsoconfused:

T – 3:00:00 and counting

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ddd:

alsoconfused, how do i get that guide into myth

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kernoman:

i also notice when i run setup it states could not find theme Blue however it is installed in /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes

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alsoconfused:

ddd: do you have XMLTV installed?

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ddd:

alsoconfused, is it installed with standard knoppmyth install?

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alsoconfused:

not sure. do you have /usr/bin/tv_grab_no ?

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kernoman:

this is such a git to get working

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ddd:

alsoconfused, yes ive got it.

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ddd:

alsoconfused, I love your mplayer customizations in lircrc , could you paste the whole of your file so i can see what you have done with xine and all the rest of the mappings?

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alsoconfused:

ddd: that's all i've got

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ddd:

oh ok....

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kernoman:

im now rebuilding myth for the 3rd time.. this really is annoying

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alsoconfused:

ddd: run mythfilldatabase --help and look at the part about --file

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ddd:

alsoconfused, thanks will do.

[16:21:07]

ddd:

alsoconfused, can I run mythfilldatabase while with fronend is running?

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alsoconfused:

yes

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asperon:

hi guys, i am having some trouble getting my frontend to talk to my backend

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alsoconfused:

i hate when that happens

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asperon:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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asperon:

Database error was:

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asperon:

Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)

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asperon:

thats what i get in the log file

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asperon:

how come it is trying to access the socket when the backend is remote?

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alsoconfused:

is the database running?

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LoneShadow:

that error on your frontend ?

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asperon:

yes

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asperon:

i can connect fine to it via the mysql client

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alsoconfused:

then you need to change the settings in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt , i believe

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alsoconfused:

on the frontend that is

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LoneShadow:

I had other permission errors while connecting to backend :)

[16:28:18]

asperon:

alsoconfused: they are like this:

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asperon:

DBHostName=192.168.0.4

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asperon:

DBUserName=mythtv

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asperon:

DBPassword=mythtv

[16:28:21]

asperon:

DBName=mythconverg

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asperon:

DBType=QMYSQL3

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asperon:

and that should work, or?

[16:28:43]

alsoconfused:

do those params work with the mysql cmdline client?

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asperon:

yes

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alsoconfused:

i think it should work

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LoneShadow:

you running mysql cmdline client as mythtv ?

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LoneShadow:

or as root

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asperon:

no

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asperon:

hang on

[16:29:53]

alsoconfused:

which user do you run mythfrontend as?

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asperon:

mythtv

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asperon:

and i can connect when running as mythtv via the cmd tool aswell

[16:30:57]

alsoconfused:

so mysql.ltx is in /home/mythtv/ ?

[16:31:04]

alsoconfused:

mysql.txt

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asperon:

mysql.txt is in /home/mythtv/.mythtv

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alsoconfused:

ok, right

[16:31:36]

alsoconfused:

permissions look ok on the file?

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alsoconfused:

i.e. user mythtv has no problem reading it?

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Rhubarb:

ROFLMAO @ Rooney's antics. bloody idiot

[16:32:17]

asperon:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 962 2006-07–01 20:33 mysql.txt

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asperon:

so that should be ok

[16:32:34]

alsoconfused:

looks good to me

[16:32:42]

alsoconfused:

still getting the same error?

[16:33:00]

asperon:

yes

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LoneShadow:

so I guess you enabled mysql on backend to listen on 192.168.0.0, also your front end is in your hosts.allow list

[16:33:51]

asperon:

LoneShadow: i can connect fine from the cmdline, so the server is ok

[16:34:01]

asperon:

ie, from the frontend via the cmdline

[16:34:18]

alsoconfused:

asperon: dumb question, but you are testing with the cmdline from the frontend right :)

[16:34:23]

asperon:

yes

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asperon:

does myth use the client or some lib, could it be a version problem?

[16:35:11]

alsoconfused:

asperon: the next thing i would check is that mythfrontend is in fact looking at /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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alsoconfused:

asperon: the frontend uses the qt libraries to talk to mysql

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asperon:

alsoconfused: ok, it writes to that file, thats for sure

[16:35:58]

asperon:

ok, could my qt be out of date?

[16:36:09]

asperon:

i read somewhere that there was a change in mysql

[16:36:14]

asperon:

something with the passwords?

[16:36:35]

ddd:

alsoconfused, I want myth to be able to mount the music and videos I have on another linux server on the network...do you reccomend i do this with nfs or with samba mounts and should i just put symbolic links in the relevent myth directory that are referenced?

[16:36:41]

alsoconfused:

i've had no problems with mysql 4.1 and 5.0

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asperon:

ok

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alsoconfused:

ddd: i think either nfs of samba will be fine. yes to symlink

[16:37:26]

Rhubarb:

ddd: I told you nfs would be fine dammit

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ddd:

Rhubarb, sorry, please excuse me for getting a second opinion<grin>

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alsoconfused:

asperon: can you tell if the frontend sends any packets to the mysql port on the backend?

[16:38:13]

Rhubarb:

how many opinions do you have to hear before forming your own?

[16:38:15]

Rhubarb:

:-P

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asperon:

alsoconfused: how would i check that?

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alsoconfused:

tcpdump

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ddd:

Rhubarb, just one if its the right one.

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alsoconfused:

asperon: /usr/sbin/tcpdump port mysql

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alsoconfused:

verify that it sees the traffic by connecting with the cmdline

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claque2000:

hi

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Rhubarb:

ddd: lol

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claque2000:

excuse me but I have a problem with myth frontend and backend running on the same pc

[16:41:49]

claque2000:

when I launch watchtv in frontend, it tells me that it can't connect to backend

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tank-man:

is the backend running?

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claque2000:

all configurations have 127.0.0.1 for IP adress of backend

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ddd:

claque2000, u using gentoo?

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Rhubarb:

it doesn't say anything like "the backend seems to have gone away" does it?

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asperon:

alsoconfused: there is traffic on that port from myth

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claque2000:

yes I'm using gentoo

[16:43:35]

claque2000:

so I'm confused

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Rhubarb:

stop mythbackend (/etc/init.d/mythbackend stop) and start it in a terminal session (just mythbackend).. then run mythfrontend

[16:43:51]

claque2000:

yes it is working

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claque2000:

i've done that 4 or 5 times and no working and this time it's working

[16:44:14]

ddd:

claque2000, there is a bug in the gentoo mythbackend script..it isnt started even tho it says it is...run the command from the console..and it will work

[16:44:25]

claque2000:

thank you

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claque2000:

now work to obtain images :)

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ddd:

claque2000, I had the same problem...pain in the ass, im now running knoppmyth...no more problems

[16:45:54]

alsoconfused:

asperon: on the mysql server, do you have /var/log/mysqld.log ?

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Rhubarb:

hahahaha. I tried knoppmyth for a frontend recently.. it was a total PoS

[16:46:02]

tank-man:

just use whatever distro you are comfortable with

[16:47:19]

ddd:

Rhubarb, what about it was a POS?

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asperon:

could my libqt3-mysql be out of date? i am using etch and it says that its at the latest version

[16:48:10]

alsoconfused:

which version? and which version of mysqld?

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asperon:

Server version 5.0.22-Debian_3-log

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asperon:

libqt3-mt-mysql 3.3.6–2 MySQL database driver for Qt3 (Threaded)

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alsoconfused:

i was using qt-MySQL-3.3.6–0.1.fc5 with mysql-server-5.0.22–1.FC5.1

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alsoconfused:

so i would think it should work

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ddd:

alsoconfused, I am running " mythfilldatabase 1 -1 filename" and it runs through a whole lot of stuff takes about 2 minutes to finish, but when i go and look at the program guide there is no information....

[16:53:09]

asperon:

wonder what it could be then

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asperon:

should it try to connect via the socket even when its a remote server?

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alsoconfused:

asperon: i just noticed in /etc/my.cnf old_passwords=1

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alsoconfused:

asperon: no, but you did say that it's trying over the tcp port, so maybe it's falling back to the socket

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asperon:

ok

[16:54:26]

asperon:

ill try that

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ddd:

alsoconfused, it looks like it is definately doing something tho "Updated programs: 15701 Unchanged programs: 14228" this is there at the end of the command

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asperon:

alsoconfused: i have old_passwords=1 there already

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alsoconfused:

do you have a package called mysqlclient10?

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Rhubarb:

attention all Dr Who fans... the stupid World Cup of soccer load of billiards has gone into extra time.. add an extra hour to your recording :-)

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asperon:

alsoconfused: no, i have these:

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asperon:

ii mysql-client 5.0.22–3 mysql database client (current version)

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asperon:

ii mysql-client-5.0 5.0.22–3 mysql database client binaries

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tank-man:

mythtv has a setting for sports and stuff to auto record overtime

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alsoconfused:

asperon: ok, forget about mysqlclient10. i don't think you need it anymore

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asperon:

ok

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alsoconfused:

asperon: when you ran tcpdump, you definitely say mythtv talking to the database?

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alsoconfused:

s/say/saw/

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asperon:

alsoconfused: i think so, but i am having second thoughts

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asperon:

could it be that the frontend isn't reading the right file or something?

[17:05:14]

alsoconfused:

that's my best bet

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alsoconfused:

do this...

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alsoconfused:

strace -f -e file -o /tmp/trace mythfrontend

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asperon:

on the frontend?

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alsoconfused:

yes

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alsoconfused:

after mythfrontend complains about not being able to connect, just exit

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asperon:

mythfrontend: Fatal IO error: client killed

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asperon:

thats what i get when i run that

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alsoconfused:

now grep mysql.txt /tmp/trace

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alsoconfused:

did the frontend come up when you did the strace?

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asperon:

the grep gave the nothing

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asperon:

what do you mean "did it come up"?

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alsoconfused:

did the gui appear?

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alsoconfused:

does it appear without the strace?

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asperon:

yes, the gui appears

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asperon:

thats where i am trying to set the db parameters

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alsoconfused:

and it did the same thing when you ran it under strace, is that correct?

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asperon:

dono, rant strace via putty, so it kinda failed

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asperon:

i removed the log and restarted the box

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asperon:

now the log contains this:

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asperon:

2006-07–01 21:09:24.478 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.0.3:6543 (try 1 of 5)

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asperon:

2006-07–01 21:09:24.488 Socket error connecting to host: 192.168.0.3, port: 6543, error: ConnectionRefused

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asperon:

2006-07–01 21:09:24.489 Connection timed out.

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asperon:

You probably should modify the Master Server

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asperon:

settings in the setup program and set the

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asperon:

proper IP address.

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asperon:

and that is NOT the ip of the backend

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it's the ip you said as being the backend =P

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asperon:

RaYmAn-Bx: no, the mysql.txt contains 192.168.0.4

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RaYmAn-Bx:

asperon: it's not mysql it can't connect to

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alsoconfused:

who's on first?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

asperon: it's the settings in the database that point at the wrong master server ip

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asperon:

there is a mysql.txt in the /etc/mythtv/ dir to

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it's not mysql.txt that's the problem.

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alsoconfused:

what's the exact startup error again?

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asperon:

RaYmAn-Bx: where do i find that setting?

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asperon:

alsoconfused: the old one?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

asperon: go into mythtv-setup on the backend and make sure that both ip settings are correct

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alsoconfused:

RaYmAn-Bx: did you see : Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'

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RaYmAn-Bx:

no, but that's not in the logs he pasted from after the reboot.

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asperon:

RaYmAn-Bx: that box is headless, cant i just edit the db directly?

[17:17:23]

RaYmAn-Bx:

sure

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alsoconfused:

so we've progressed to the next problem?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I doubt it would complain about not being able to connect to the master backend if it couldn't connect to the mysql server :)

[17:18:05]

asperon:

seems so

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asperon:

RaYmAn-Bx: where is that setting stored?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

since it gets the master server ip from the mysql database

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I have no idea

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RaYmAn-Bx:

my mythtv box is currently offline for a little while due to lack of cabletv and proper internet

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asperon:

found it

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alsoconfused:

asperon: let's walk thru this again

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alsoconfused:

and the winner is...

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asperon:

and now it works

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asperon:

update settings set data = '192.168.0.4' where data='192.168.0.3';

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asperon:

dono what made the qmysql error go away though

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ddd:

Can I use 2 x pvr-150's in one mythtv pc?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

you can use 100 if your system has enough pci slots and you can get them working :)

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asperon:

100 would be cool, it would be quite a large box

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asperon:

perhaps better to get 50 pvr500s =)

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_GeM:

:)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

heh

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awilkins:

Wouldn't work ; you'd saturate the bus before you got 10 of them running

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ddd:

How do you tell the box to use the one card for live tv and the other card input for scheduled recordings?

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awilkins:

ddd: You can tweak the card priorities.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

awilkins: you'd have to get a pretty special box to have 100 pci slots anyway =P

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alsoconfused:

beomyth

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achew22:

I'd be more worried about getting a board with 100 slots

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ddd:

LOL...

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achew22:

if I wanted to use myth to move my old vhs movies onto digital should I just add an input that is component 1?

[17:23:49]

kayelem:

ddd with two identical cards supporting the same channels you leave both priorities the same and it sorts it out ime

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asperon:

alsoconfused, RaYmAn-Bx, thnx for the help, have a nice evening

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alsoconfused:

you too asperon

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RaYmAn-Bx:

ddd: another good setting for that setup is to make sure it's set to choose the card less likely to be busy when watching livetv

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RaYmAn-Bx:

(i.e. so it chooses 2 instead of 1 if 1 has a scheduled recording)

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kayelem:

there's a setting for "avoid conflicts with scheduled recordings" which seems to do the trick.

[17:25:17]

kayelem:

usually chooses card2 for livetv

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RaYmAn-Bx:

that's what I'm talking about :)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I was getting quite annoyed until I found that..watching 10 minutes of some program and then myth complaining that it needs to record something using that card

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kayelem:

I still think I'll add a third card pretty soon.

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ddd:

does livetv..also do commercial detection skipping....if so...how can u tell if its marked any segments s adverts?

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kayelem:

my partner's got into having loads of telly and we record more.

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soul-xxx:

My stupid IR is not working with my box

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soul-xxx:

digital cable box I mean

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soul-xxx:

if that doesn't work, do I have to get an s-video cable?

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Juski:

achew22: you have got component confused with composite

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soul-xxx:

plus it has an usb cable port to

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Juski:

mmm beer

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achew22:

Juski: sorry — if I pluged it into composite would that do it

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Juski:

achew22: more or less

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achew22:

then just push y to switch inputs untill I get there?

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achew22:

does anyone know what happened wiht lxmsuite?

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Juski:

you could just press Y to switch inputs anyway IIRC, without having to add a video source

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Juski:

lxm went bust

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achew22:

damn...

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Juski:

why?

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achew22:

saw a link for it a couple of hours ago

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Juski:

if you're after their themes, jams has made them available

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achew22:

curiosity

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achew22:

they had a theme?

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Juski:

there are 3 wide themes of a similar kind of style now

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Juski:

syth-wide, midnight-wide & syth-blue-wide

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Juski:

they're nice looking

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achew22:

i'm looking now

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Juski:

way better than any other themes IMHO.. with one exception ;-)

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achew22:

your theme ehh

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Juski:

no, Retro

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achew22:

ooh

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achew22:

i like retro, I used to use it but I went with MythCenter because its easer to read from the kitchen

[17:35:47]

Juski:

though I don't like the cartoony feel of 95% of all the theme icons in amy theme

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achew22:

is there a way to make it not remove the cached images if you change the theme?

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Juski:

nope

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Juski:

it's not something you do very often, so why care? ;-)

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achew22:

So I'll just have to chmod a-w the folder...

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achew22:

Juski: its fun to play with the themes

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achew22:

and I mess with my resolution quite often

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Juski:

fun? blech.

[17:38:56]

Juski:

I wouldn't mind having a stab at an Apple-styled theme

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achew22:

no, not at all

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Juski:

shiny shiny ;-)

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achew22:

in .20 will there be animated menu support?

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Juski:

depends what you call 'animated;

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Juski:

I've seen something about pulsating icons :-/

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achew22:

thats not exciting....

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Juski:

isn't it? rofl

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achew22:

one of my more favoted effects is when there is a stationary bar and the text slides into the bar. Thats a very professional looking effect when done right

[17:43:13]

achew22:

would there be support for that sort of thing?

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Juski:

who cares?

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Juski:

lots of people turn the animation in MCE off

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achew22:

people who like their box to be asteticly pleasing

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Juski:

it's good for 'bling' but sod all else

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achew22:

lots of people != all people

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Juski:

the current fades just slow things down

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Juski:

I'd say it'd be more important to get more core features working properly instead

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achew22:

holy crap — I didn't know my 250 had 9 inputs

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achew22:

10 — I can't count

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achew22:

any ideas on which one is the composite on the back?

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Juski:

put a signal on & find out

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achew22:

can you ivtvtune to those inputs?

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Juski:

should be labelled composite0 by the driver

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Juski:

ivtvctl to switch inputs, isn't it?

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achew22:

what?

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Juski:

ivtvctl

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achew22:

yeah, what am I to do?

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Mattwj2005:

well I can kinda of watch HDTV

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Juski:

ivtvctl --set-input <foo>

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achew22:

ohh

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Mattwj2005:

I can record a test clip on one computer and play it back on another

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Juski:

ivtvctl -n will show you which input numbers are which

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achew22:

Juski: when I switch to composite0 and try to cat it it says device or resource busy.... know any tricks to find out whats using it?

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Juski:

mythbackend will be using it, dummy

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Mattwj2005:

I must say....HDTV is super sweet

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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Juski:

HD will seem that way, if you've been used to seeing Never The Same Colour all your life

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Mattwj2005:

the resolution is just amazing....it is like everything I watch on it is a DVD

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Juski:

only that good? sounds like it's not worth it

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Juski:

digital SDTV is about as good as DVD in the UK

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Mattwj2005:

correction almost as good as a HD-DVD or Blue Ray disc

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Mattwj2005:

those are 1080p

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Juski:

sorry if I sound cynical, but I'm unmoved

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stuarta:

looks like dr who is running on time :)

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Mattwj2005:

why do you say that Juski?

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Mattwj2005:

man I love Doctor Who :)

[18:05:30]

Juski:

Mattwj2005: because I've seen HD & so far I'm unimpressed. it's not worth the investment right now

[18:06:13]

Mattwj2005:

it is expensive

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Juski:

and besides, even if I wanted it, the only way to get it here right now is to subscribe to $ky TV & pay through the _nose_

[18:06:57]

Juski:

oh, and it will only work with _their_ (shite) PVR

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Mattwj2005:

what about over the air? DVB-T?

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Juski:

not for a few years yet

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Juski:

and even then, maybe never

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Juski:

the analogue switch-off needs to happen first, and boy what an outcry that's gonna cause

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Mattwj2005:

oh that sucks....what year is that for you? here I think it is 2009 still

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RaYmAn-Bx:

considering how UK is already overloading DVB-T with channels as it is :S or at least it was a few years ago

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: total switch-off by 2012

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RaYmAn-Bx:

wow..I think they are switching off in 2009 here and they only just introduced digital this year

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Juski:

hey, but because it's all 'digital quality' they can sink the bitrate & resolution right down to daft values & nobody will mind, right?

[18:09:35]

ddd:

is there a way to get myth to carry on recording live tv composite in stream while i am listening to music?

[18:09:46]

Juski:

Mattwj2005: someone is thinking of the poor old pensioners who won't understand.. there's even talk of subsidising the switchover FFS!

[18:09:57]

Juski:

like television is a fucking birthright

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Juski:

anyway... time to watch DW

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RaYmAn-Bx:

but..isn't it on right now? ;) I thought you never watched live-tv? Or am I mistaking you for someone else in here

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Mattwj2005:

yeah their has even been talk about helping people get converter boxes here in the US

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Anduin:

A $50 credit.

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stuarta:

RaYmAn-Bx: near live tv :)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I suppose if it's being recorded and then you start watching it 5 mins into it, it's ok :P

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stuarta:

it started 15m ago.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

well, whatever. I can't watch it :/

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Mattwj2005:

well I got to go

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Mattwj2005:

later everyone

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scales:

who had that link to the mce remote lircrc files?

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xris:

scales: there's one in contrib/ in svn

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xris:

er, sorry, not contrib.. it's in trunk/mythtv/configfiles

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scales:

yeah i am lookin at that,

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scales:

that is just an lircrc file

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scales:

where would i get lircd.conf?

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xris:

it's included with lirc .8

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xris:

it's all covered in the lircrc file

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scales:

i see

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scales:

i did it before, i am just remembering

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scales:

humm

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scales:

lirc didnt seem to install when i follows jarods guide

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scales:

hang on

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scales:

i will try again

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scales:

yeah it just says nothing to do

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scales:

guess i will install it manually

[18:41:29]

scales:

?

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xris:

I still need to tweak that file to add mplayer and xine support to it

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xris:

rpm -q lirc

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scales:

humm

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scales:

it shows up there

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Aid`:

what do i do if i did rm -Rd /

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xris:

Aid`: man rm

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xris:

but nothing good can come of that

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Aid`:

lol i thought that would wipe out the whole system

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xris:

Aid`: it will

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xris:

very quickly, even

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Aid`:

yea thought so

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scales:

xris, ok well when i do that rom -q thing, it pops up with lirc-0.8.1-cvs-blahblah, and when i type yum install lirc-kmdl-$KVER, it doesnt go

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xris:

scales: yum list 'lirc*'

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xris:

rpm -q 'lirc*'

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stuarta:

damn that was a good episode...

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kayelem:

stuarta, just a bit

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scales:

it seems to say that i have lirc installed?

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stuarta:

I have to wait till monday week to see the end, away for the next week...

[18:49:46]

scales:

but if i try locate lirc it doesnt give me anything

[18:50:35]

scales:

Reading repository metadata in from local files

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scales:

Installed Packages

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scales:

lirc.i386 0.8.1-cvs20060628_60.r installed

[18:50:36]

scales:

lirc-devices.noarch 0.7.0–1.rhfc5.at installed

[18:50:36]

scales:

lirc-kmdl-2.6.17–1.2139_FC5.i686 0.8.1-cvs20060628_60.r installed

[18:50:36]

scales:

lirc-lib.i386 0.8.1-cvs20060628_60.r installed

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scales:

Available Packages

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scales:

lirc-devel.i386 0.8.0–3.fc5 extras

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scales:

lirc-kmdl-2.6.17–1.2139_0.99.rhfc5.cubbi 0.8.1-cvs20060628_60.r atrpms

[18:50:44]

scales:

lirc-kmdl-2.6.17–1.2139

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stuarta:

what is it with people not using pastebins today????

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scales:

sorry

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stuarta:

np

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scales:

ok let me copy the whole thing to a pastebin

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Dagmar:

They don't actually want help

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Dagmar:

They just want to piss people off

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scales:

http://pastebin.ca/76517

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Dagmar:

I finally just set my client to auto-ignore people who flood.

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xris:

scales: it says there that it's installed

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Dagmar:

Whatever little problems they have are eclipsed by whatever makes them think it's okay to drown out everything else that goes on in a channel

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scales:

right, but it isnt!

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scales:

let me paste another

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scales:

same link

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xris:

scales: lirc-kmdl-2.6.17–1.2139_FC5.i686 0.8.1-cvs20060628_60.r installed

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xris:

sure looks to me like it's installed

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xris:

scales: the second rpm -q link I sent you is wrong.

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scales:

look at the bottom

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xris:

rpm -qa | grep lirc

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xris:

anyway, the yum info call tells you what's installed, too

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scales:

ok so now check out the link, it is wierd because it looks like it is installed, but i dont know where to run the command start lircd

[19:06:11]

scales:

and lircd isnt anywhere in the system

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xris:

scales: service lircd restart

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xris:

and you have to be root for that

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scales:

i am root, let me try

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scales:

no command not found, something isnt right, before when i did that i needed to start the service using the folder that lircd was located in

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scales:

but "locate lirc" doesnt bring up any files

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mchou:

haha! http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5527045

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mchou:

man, this week the government is lame

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scales:

how can i remove all lirc things?

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scales:

yum remove lirc all?

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scales:

something like that?

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scales:

well i am installing it manually, and i had thie problem before, but it says i need linux kernel source installed, i cant remember what we did before

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scopeuk:

guys im excited

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scopeuk:

got me somenew hardware (for nothing) and there is some embeded gear i the mix

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scopeuk:

which is looking "interesting"

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Anduin:

scales: So install the kernel source.

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scales:

humm

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scales:

i thought i did but i will try againg

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asperon:

hi guys, i have a ati remote wonder that i want to use with lirc under debian for mythtv, is there anything special i need to do to get this to work (since its seems like it isn't right now), i have disabled to ati_remote.ko (since i read that it couldn't coexist with lirc)?

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Anduin:

scales: I do find it hard to believe that the arrpms stuff is entirely broken (in this case)

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scales:

well that is fine, i probably am wrong, i just cant figure out how to fix it

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scales:

ok got the kernel source, so i run ./setup.sh

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scales:

pick the right settings, then it says you will need to enter make and make install

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scales:

so i type make

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scales:

hit enter

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scales:

at the end i get and error

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scales:

i type make install

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scales:

and at the end i get another error

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scales:

let me see what they are

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Anduin:

scales: When you hit an error you need to stop, fix it, do not make install.

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scales:

well yeah i started over

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scales:

i will use the paste bin

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scales:

ok http://pastebin.ca/76546

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Anduin:

scales: Ok, now go get the CVS version.

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scales:

cvs?

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Anduin:

scales: The lirc version you are building is too old for your kernel.

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Aid`:

this is sort of off topic but are these channels free: http://www.lyngsat.com/g11.html ?

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scales:

ok i think i got the right ones

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scales:

http://atrpms.net/dist/fc5/lirc/

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asperon:

does anybody have a good xmodmap for mythtv for the ati remote wonder? or one for xine? or some pointers on how to set it up?

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scales:

aggh

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scales:

ok well they all are already installed! so why dont they workkkkkkkkggrrrrrrrrrr

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scales:

jarods guide says use /sbin/service lircd start; and it will return an [ok], well i run that and dont get an ok, and i look in sbin, and dont see any lirc

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Anduin:

scales: service is just a command for calling the init script

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scales:

ok

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scales:

jarods guide then says that if it doesnt return an [ok] i should check in the /var/log/messages

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scales:

and i look there, but dont see anything that involves lirc

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Anduin:

scales: lircd -n

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scales:

now, when i was running this before, and i ran ./setup.sh, and picked my drivers etc. i was compiling lirc? but now with this rpm i dont need to do that?

[20:10:00]

LoneShadow:

when I am playing the recorded video on my frontend, its very jumpy and stalls, live tv is fine though

[20:10:08]

CyberKnet:

Wow. There is some seriously heavy literature out there for implementing heirachies in databases.

[20:10:22]

LoneShadow:

any idea what might be wrong, also it used to work yesterday night

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scales:

where do i run lircd -n

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Anduin:

scales: At the prompt.

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scales:

k

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CyberKnet:

on your living room

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CyberKnet:

it will fail if you try to run it in the bathroom

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scales:

ha ha. <--sarcastic

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scales:

i meant to ask where i tag it on, before start or after

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scales:

i tried both lircd -n start; and lircd start -n

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scales:

nothin new, just blank

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scales:

why would locate not find any files named lirc?

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Anduin:

scales: Neither, type exactly what I told you, nothing more, nothing less.

[20:17:49]

scales:

nothing

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scales:

lircd -n; bash: lircd: command not found

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Anduin:

See, that isn't nothing.

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scales:

haha

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scales:

k

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Anduin:

scales: rpm -V lirc

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scales:

didnt return anything

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Anduin:

scales: rpm -ql lirc

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NeTTwerk_:

hey all, i'm trying to run mythtv-setup and when the menus pop up, instead of text i just see square blocks.. can someone help me with this?

[20:21:27]

NeTTwerk_:

the frontend which i'm running the display to is FC5

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Anduin:

NeTTwerk_: SVN?

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NeTTwerk_:

aud: yes

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NeTTwerk_:

er, anduin: yes :)

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scales:

ok well that certainly spit out a lot

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Anduin:

scales: paste it to a paste site

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Anduin:

NeTTwerk_: GANT?

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NeTTwerk_:

and: yes.

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NeTTwerk_:

and: is there a way on the cmdline to tell mythtv-setup to try a different theme?.

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Anduin:

NeTTwerk_: You can reset the theme with mythfrontend -r

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NeTTwerk_:

and: right.. but i'm trying to run mythtv-setup, not mythfrontend

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scales:

http://pastebin.ca/76569

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NeTTwerk_:

my frontend is using a different theme.

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Anduin:

scales: Run /usr/sbin/lircd -n

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NeTTwerk_:

anduin: this is what i see when I run mythtv-setup:

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NeTTwerk_:

http://teetot.devrandom.net/mythsetup-error.JPG

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Anduin:

NeTTwerk_: for me with GANT I actually just see blank lines (or did, I don't run mythtv-setup often)

[20:30:26]

NeTTwerk_:

anduin: it appears that when i upgraded to the SVN stuff, a few settings got mucked, so i'm trying to re-run the setup

[20:30:39]

NeTTwerk_:

ie: the backend isn't listening on the default port, etc etc.

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scales:

ok lircd is running, how can i stop it?

[20:33:24]

scales:

humm

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scales:

how can i stop /usr/sbin/lircd -n

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Anduin:

scales: Ctrl-C

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scales:

i tried kill all lircd

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scales:

no i got out of that

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scales:

it gave me an error because it didnt find my lirc.conf file, well i didnt have it in place yet

[20:34:44]

scales:

so i put it in the right place

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scales:

and i try to run lircd again, but it says there already is aprocess lircd

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NeTTwerk_:

anduin: yeah i forced mythtv-setup to change themes and the fonts are still messed. I also tried running the display back to my windows box under cygwin, and same thing.

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Anduin:

NeTTwerk_: Could be entirely a font issue.

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NeTTwerk_:

yeah... but since the front-end is displaying fine, and the backend is set to use the same font and display on the front-end machine, that would lead me to believe that theres an issue in the binary...

[20:39:53]

NeTTwerk_:

ie: same x-server, same theme, but one works and the other doesnt..

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NeTTwerk_:

ill hack on the src and see what i can find.

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scales:

ahhh

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scales:

it works!!

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scales:

beautiful

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scales:

ok guys now i can leave you all alone!

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scales:

haha

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scales:

well just for now

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scales:

i have a few more small tweaks

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scales:

but i will mess around with this for now

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Juski:

plenty sirens going off tonight. I wonder who won the football :-/

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LaptopOm:

how can I tell myth to just...forget about all the recordings it's done?

[21:11:22]

LaptopOm:

I screwed it up a bit, deleted some files from the data dir >_<

[21:12:05]

scales:

ok quick question: i changed the permission on /usr/sbin/lircd so that my mythtv user can run it, but it also needs permission to /var/run/, so it can make a file called lircd.pid. should i enable access to the whole var folder?

[21:12:14]

LaptopOm:

and now it kinda..dies trying to open files that don't exist, I don't have any recordings I care about yet. so it can all go

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scales:

so any input on the permission question?

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Anduin:

LaptopOm: You can clear the DB entries (or create dummy files and delete normally)

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Anduin:

scales: Or you could just run lircd as root (how the init script would do it, for example)

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dtm:

is mythplugins a part of the mythtv src tarball?

[21:49:15]

Anduin:

dtm: It used to be a separate one (probably still is)

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dtm:

oic

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dtm:

i found it

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Anduin:

Yeah, it isn't well hidden.

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dtm:

ok just wasn't immediately obvious from google, mythtv.org, or the docs ^_^

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k-man:

i have this strange problem where only 2 of my channels are getting data when i run mythfilldatabase

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Anduin:

k-man: Learn to like those two channels more.

[22:10:02]

k-man:

hmm

[22:10:06]

k-man:

thanks for the advice

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Anduin:

k-man: You've tried deleting your lineups are downloading them again?

[22:11:28]

k-man:

Anduin, um... no

[22:11:43]

k-man:

as in delete the epg data from mythtv?

[22:11:49]

k-man:

and then rerun mythfilldatabase?

[22:13:48]

Anduin:

k-man: Yeah, or do boring stuff like try to find out why (a refill isn't certain to fix it)

[22:14:19]

k-man:

yeah, im just doing that now

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k-man:

i have this problem with tv_grab_au

[22:39:37]

k-man:

it says Can't call method "look_down" on an undefined value at /usr/bin/tv_grab_au line 852, <> line 1.

[22:39:50]

k-man:

not sure why it doesn't like that

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Juski:

missing PERL module?

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k-man:

nafaict

[22:40:17]

Juski:

they can be hard to track down

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k-man:

any suggestions of how to check?

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k-man:

i thought it would just die when i execute it if it couldn't find it

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Juski:

I dunno much about perl, sorry. done some scripting in my time but hardly an expert

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Anduin:

k-man: Which version are you running?

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k-man:

2.8

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k-man:

Anduin, are you using tv_grab_au?

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k-man:

immr version

[22:42:17]

Anduin:

k-man: Nope, just knew there was a thread on -users about it (older version though)

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k-man:

anduin, oh

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k-man:

ok

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k-man:

thanks

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k-man:

yeah, this is brand new this version... but i was getting the problem with 2.7

[22:43:43]

k-man:

but i suspect something happened over night as im sure it was working yesterday

[22:43:48]

k-man:

but i could be wrong

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Juski:

maybe the site it scrapes from has changed

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gardengnome:

re

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Aid`:

who here has a DVB Card?

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Anduin:

k-man: No warnings about failure to get a page?

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k-man:

nothing

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k-man:

im just trying to write in a bit of debug code

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k-man:

damn its a long time since i wrote perl though

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Anduin:

k-man: I'd make sure $page is valid before line 852

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k-man:

Anduin, thats what im doing

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Aid`:

Do DVB cards work good for the US?

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Aid`:

like what kind of satellites doe DVB cards work with? DirecTV? or is it the bigger ones?

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xris:

Aid`: works with anything FTA, which includes C-band (2m), 75cm and a handful of unencrypted channels on 18" (dishnetwork, bellexpress and angel/christian satellites)

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promacuser:

does anyone have a suggestion on a remote (other than the hauppage) to use with the PVR-250?

[23:12:01]

gardengnome:

xris: you've got christian satellites over there?

[23:12:02]

GTswagger:

Anybody here familiar with making a digital file from a VHS? My nVidia GeForce 6600 GT does have component and SVideo in.

[23:12:29]

xris:

gardengnome: yeah, according to lyngsat there's a network called "angel one" or something like that full of christian stuff

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gardengnome:

xris: wow. we've got nothing but bible tv :/

[23:13:31]

xris:

GTswagger: I personally go through my camcorder and capture from firewire into imovie fort that stuff.. but you should be just fine capturing on a pvr-x50.. you sure your geforce has video *in* and not just out? no clue what linux support would be like for input.

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xris:

gardengnome: it's not exactly a standard thing (since you'd need to have a dish for it).. but it shouldn't surprise you that jesusland would have its own christian tv service. heh

[23:14:18]

gardengnome:

i don't think capturing via video in over geforce card is very well supported in linux. "rivatv" might be something worth googling for..

[23:14:37]

** xris goes to find ice cream and a cooler room.... **

[23:14:39]

GTswagger:

xris — yes, I have a PVR-250 ... which would also do ... would just have to toy around to find a setting in mythtv for "raw record" (it records until I tell it to stop)

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gardengnome:

xris: well, faith diest last...

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GTswagger:

xris — and yes, I am sure it's component in... this nVidia card has a "cable squid" with HD component out, component out, svideo out, svideo in, component in

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xris:

GTswagger: or for manual stuff like that, `cat /dev/video0 > myfile.mpg` is a good option.. certainly easier.

[23:15:21]

gardengnome:

GTswagger: just use ivtvctl to switch your card to the right input and bitrate and use cat /dev/videoX to... see xris :)

[23:15:22]

GTswagger:

xris — ooo yea... pardon my brain fart :D

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xris:

GTswagger: *component* in?

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GTswagger:

yep

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GTswagger:

yellow RCA cable

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xris:

that's composite

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GTswagger:

excuse by double brain fart

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xris:

component is 3 plugs

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GTswagger:

jeez I need more caffeine >.<

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xris:

heh

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xris:

ok, less heat for me... afk for awhile.

[23:16:57]

Juski:

I wish we had a water bed at home.. or aircon.. or .. something

[23:17:12]

gardengnome:

water bed? is that cooler?

[23:17:14]

Juski:

32'C upstairs tonight

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gardengnome:

ouch

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gardengnome:

sleep in the car

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Juski:

lol. that might scare passers by

[23:18:06]

gardengnome:

*shrug* maybe you'll be able to catch the mirror smasher :)

[23:18:27]

Juski:

not since he moved down the street ;-)

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gardengnome:

hehe

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Juski:

fuck the police – cctv prevents crime :-)

[23:18:55]

gardengnome:

i locked the car away tonight, the city festival is kinda scary ;)

[23:19:22]

Juski:

we've been hearing sirens ever since full time was called tonight

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Juski:

glad I stayed in

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gardengnome:

full time?

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Juski:

remembered the game, had 2nd thoughts about going into town

[23:20:42]

Juski:

yeh we got knocked out of the world cup of world soccer / hairdressing / whatever

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Juski:

:-P

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gardengnome:

ah, right

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gardengnome:

hehehe. i stayed at home last night because we won :)

[23:21:12]

Juski:

"a nation in mourning", people are saying

[23:21:25]

gardengnome:

*shrug* people suck :)

[23:21:32]

Juski:

like ummm... lighten UP ffs!

[23:21:42]

Juski:

it's only a game... "heretic!"

[23:22:04]

gardengnome:

hehe

[23:22:27]

Juski:

I think I fixed the broken X compiling of minimyth btw

[23:22:37]

gardengnome:

rm -rf / as usual?

[23:22:46]

Juski:

heh. not quite

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Juski:

it's a bitch though... had to do a make clean cos it won't just resume where it left off

[23:23:24]

gardengnome:

digg.com gives me a buzzword overflow

[23:24:38]

gardengnome:

bah. always the same stuff on the frontpage. that's why i hate this social networked, user-related stuff. people just suck, thus web 2.0 does, too.

[23:25:03]

Juski:

mere foibles

[23:25:21]

Juski:

"it's all about... " – the latest _fad_

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Juski:

blogging, vlogging... it's all inane shite

[23:25:50]

gardengnome:

heh

[23:26:13]

Juski:

"I had a bad day yesterday. whine, whine, cry, sob.."

[23:26:14]

gardengnome:

blogging brought my mistanthropy to a new level ;)

[23:26:50]

Juski:

speaking of misanthropy.. no new posts on the forums since about 11am today

[23:26:54]

k-man:

does this page have any tv guide data on it?

[23:26:56]

k-man:

http://tvguide.ninemsn.com.au/todaytv/notfoun . . . ree&day=

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gardengnome:

Juski: it's been quiet, indeed.

[23:27:07]

k-man:

it says there is no data for me

[23:27:26]

Juski:

today's TV not found... pretty good sign that not all is well

[23:27:36]

k-man:

Juski, yeah, thank

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k-man:

s

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gardengnome:

k-man: nope.

[23:27:49]

k-man:

i thought they might be filtering my ip address or something

[23:27:55]

** k-man takes off his paranoia hat **

[23:28:20]

RaYmAn-Bx:

why would there be any dtv ata on a page named "notfound.asp" :)

[23:28:40]

bretonslivka:

Wahh myth tv doesn't work. :9

[23:29:01]

Juski:

bretonslivka: I beg to differ. works just fine here :-P

[23:29:01]

gardengnome:

!trout bretonslivka

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** MythLogBot slaps bretonslivka with a trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

[23:29:23]

bretonslivka:

doesn't work for me. Maybe I'm just not smart enough.

[23:30:36]

k-man:

man this is terrible

[23:30:41]

k-man:

no tv guide data

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k-man:

*panic*

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RaYmAn-Bx:

believe me, it's much worth lacking a decent tv signal :/

[23:33:49]

Juski:

k-man: just think though.. if you had $ky's PVR, you could lose all your recordings through one silly software crash – even the ones you've already paid for

[23:34:15]

k-man:

Juski, oh...

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k-man:

hehe

[23:34:16]

k-man:

nice

[23:35:58]

RaYmAn-Bx:

quality software :>

[23:36:15]

bretonslivka:

I am on ubuntu. is ubuntu simply cursed when it comes to mythTV?

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Juski:

yeh and $ky will only charge you £70 for an engineer to come out & reset it once the warranty expires

[23:36:48]

RaYmAn-Bx:

that's why we all love propitary(sp?) hardware!

[23:36:58]

RaYmAn-Bx:

and software

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Juski:

bretonslivka: maybe if you mentioned what the problem is instead of whining... ;-)

[23:37:19]

bretonslivka:

Yeah at some point once I have some clues. I just felt like venting a bit

[23:37:20]

RaYmAn-Bx:

bretonslivka: no worry, I'm sure it's just you who's cursed ;P

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Juski:

ubuntu ain't all that... people are starting to wise up

[23:38:11]

bretonslivka:

For one I can't get LIRC to work properly, but I've gone over that here already

[23:38:12]

bretonslivka:

I think

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gardengnome:

ubuntu should be fine for mythtv

[23:38:43]

Juski:

I got lirc to work just fine, but I built it myself

[23:38:48]

Juski:

same for mythtv

[23:39:23]

Juski:

apt-get install lirc, did not work

[23:39:31]

bretonslivka:

I spent hours trying to get an mce remote to work, and IRW kept doing nothing

[23:39:35]

bretonslivka:

mode2 would say some stuff

[23:39:44]

bretonslivka:

I gave up and plugged in my ati remote wonder

[23:39:47]

bretonslivka:

and iti just worked

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bretonslivka:

.. But lirc still doesn't

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Juski:

wow. something from ATI worked? ;-)

[23:40:06]

bretonslivka:

somehow the ati remote wonder worked despite lirc being trash

[23:40:07]

RaYmAn-Bx:

ati remote wonder actually works great

[23:40:21]

Juski:

hmm that somehow doesn't ring true

[23:40:35]

bretonslivka:

lirc still isn't working. it must emulate a keyboard and mouse somehow in hardwware

[23:40:44]

RaYmAn-Bx:

ok, mine is in fact a sapphire remote wonder

[23:40:45]

RaYmAn-Bx:

better? ;)

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gardengnome:

the ati remote probably uses a kernel driver != lirc

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bretonslivka:

gardengnome : sounds rights

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RaYmAn-Bx:

that's true

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bretonslivka:

that's what it looks like in dmesg

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RaYmAn-Bx:

bretonslivka: I couldn't get mine working until I removed all the other definitions from the lircd.conf file (i.e. the ones for every other remote except the exact one I have)

[23:42:15]

bretonslivka:

at some point I will install an irc client other than bitchX. this is pretty confusing.

[23:42:16]

Juski:

probably emulating a keyboard

[23:42:55]

RaYmAn-Bx:

depending on exact version of the remote, the kernel module that comes with the kernel might not work properly for your remote

[23:43:02]

scopeuk:

Juski got soem new ahrdwar to paly with today

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scopeuk:

gona nstart playing tommorow see if my myth box cant be upgraded

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bretonslivka:

Since the ati "just works" without lirc I'm wondering if it will "just work" in mythtv too

[23:43:24]

bretonslivka:

without any extra work

[23:43:28]

bretonslivka:

or maybe a little

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bengoodger:

my mythfrontend is nearly complete, yay

[23:43:43]

bretonslivka:

I can't get mythtv to compile properly yet though

[23:43:49]

bretonslivka:

it compiles but doesn't run

[23:43:55]

bretonslivka:

complains that libmythtv is missing

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bretonslivka:

some .so file somewhere

[23:44:16]

bretonslivka:

I wasn't prepared to do anything except whine so I don't have the exact error message on hand

[23:44:16]

Juski:

just thought of a use for my 2nd s100 box. it can be a wireless router / file server / ???

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Juski:

heh

[23:44:43]

scopeuk:

heh ive now got a compact bxo for that now two

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scopeuk:

which ive been given

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Juski:

the last compile error I had was because I'd forgotten to paste 3 lines into a header file

[23:44:59]

scopeuk:

it was/is a firewall if i can get it setup (awkward without the passwords)

[23:45:10]

Juski:

factory reset?

[23:45:19]

scopeuk:

its a little bi harder than that

[23:45:21]

Juski:

and FTFM, then RTFM ? ;-)

[23:45:21]

scopeuk:

its x86

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bretonslivka:

If I offered some paltry sum of paypal moneys and gave someone the ip for a VNC server, would that theorhetical someone consider helping me set this bitch up at some point?

[23:45:27]

scopeuk:

Juski tried

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scopeuk:

the manual doesent apreat to exist

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scopeuk:

ive had it in bits but i dont thin k ican jsut qipe htee hdd

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Juski:

ouch

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Juski:

bretonslivka: magic bullets rarely work

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scopeuk:

it is a webpilot mk1

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Juski:

webpilot? who's that made by? compaq?

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bretonslivka:

Magic bullets eh?

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scopeuk:

no

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Juski:

the name rings a bell – I think Celestica developed it when I worked there

[23:47:10]

scopeuk:

equlinet

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Juski:

like a tablet pc thing?

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bretonslivka:

I just figure that VNC is probably going to give a better idea of troubleshooting the situation than just relaying me things to try.

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scopeuk:

Juski it looks liek a setp box

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Juski:

oh right

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scopeuk:

but mising the video outputs on the back

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gardengnome:

Juski: s100 == carputer?

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Juski:

where the hell did you get that from?

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scopeuk:

netpilot sorry*

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scopeuk:

it came in wit hthe array of hardwar someone gave me earlier

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bengoodger:

gnome. hi!

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Juski:

gardengnome: heheh. no way... but erm.. hmmm...

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scopeuk:

http://www.linux-magazin.de/Artikel/ausgabe/2 . . . tpi_full.jpg

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gardengnome:

Juski: i'm gonna build a car tracking system. :)

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bengoodger:

we just need beirdo and some sort of troll, and we're away.

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** scopeuk can be the troll **

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bengoodger:

nah

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Juski:

where's ***** when you need him?

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scopeuk:

isent it jsut

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bengoodger:

heh

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scopeuk:

ive noticed with that box thought terminal 1 goes directly to lynx which is locked to a single url

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scopeuk:

well sever

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scopeuk:

but 2 – 5 are normal

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scopeuk:

jsut gotta figure out hwo to inject and acoucount and or modifiy sudoers or soemthign

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Juski:

it has 5 serial ports? shit – sounds like something the company I work for sells

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scopeuk:

only 2 on the back

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scopeuk:

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http . . . off%26sa%3DG

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scopeuk:

guts adn back photo

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scopeuk:

nto sure what the mouse is needed for it onyl has 20mb of ram in the slots i nthe one i have (or so the sticker on the bottom claims)

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Juski:

OMG

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Juski:

take it to the tip, man

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scopeuk:

heh i may do

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scopeuk:

but ill ahve some fun wth it first

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scopeuk:

i am i need of a new firewall

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scopeuk:

i mean the thing is runnign 2.0.5

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scopeuk:

kernal that is

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scopeuk:

im far more wrapped up in the dual p2 machien ive been given though

[23:53:19]

scopeuk:

my first multi proc box

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scopeuk:

first box ive had with sata drives as well

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gardengnome:

sata drives in a dual p2 box?

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gardengnome:

you're lucky :/

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Juski:

pentium 2 with sata?

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Juski:

never in the world, unless there's a PCI sata card in there, surely...

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scopeuk:

scsi

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scopeuk:

sory

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scopeuk:

two scsi drive

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Juski:

nice & hot for you

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scopeuk:

fairly recent segates by the look of em but ive been wrong abotu that before

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scopeuk:

yup

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Juski:

I used to deal in SCSI

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scopeuk:

i blame the crap up there on being up 37 hours

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Juski:

2GB HP scsi drives.. fucking horrible they were

[23:55:01]

gardengnome:

hot? loud! :)

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scopeuk:

yup

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scopeuk:

got that right

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scopeuk:

its a toy

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Juski:

whatever you say, scopeuk.. what ever you say ;-)

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gardengnome:

the s100 is a toy, too.

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** gardengnome beers juski **

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scopeuk:

heh the guy who gave it me setup server 2k3 adn forgot to tell em the password

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Juski:

I'm sweating my nuts off just sitting here. the last thing I need is dehydration ;-)

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scopeuk:

yeh warm here too

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Juski:

had to close the window because of all the bastard mozzies

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scopeuk:

28 C in my room atm

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Juski:

got 32 here. but then I have 3 athlon xp boxen

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stuarta (stuarta!i=foobar@unaffiliated/stuarta) has quit ("i'm going on a summer holiday....")

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scopeuk:

most of mine have been off alday

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scopeuk:

my 3200+ has been on sciecn 7 my cleron and dual p2 have been on about an hour hach

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** Juski googles vino-server... **

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gardengnome:

:/

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Juski:

damn vnc session taking 25% cpu doing nothing

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Juski:

no wonder this compile is taking so damn long

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