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[00:12:00] cappicard: heya dtm :)
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[00:27:59] groogs_: my mythtv (0.19) recordings are very messed up. most of the time, when i schedule something to record, and go back to look at it a second later, it is set to "do not record" (from the guide in live tv and schedule recordings)
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[00:28:45] groogs_: i do have a couple that seem to have recorded — they show up in the "previously recorded" list — but don't show up when i go to "watch recordings"
[00:29:13] groogs_: does anyone know why this would happen?
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[00:30:50] Dagmar: A sinister communist plot?
[00:31:08] Agrajag-: because they've been deleted?
[00:31:40] armand: hi guys, why would commercial flagging jobs stay in the job queue though there's no mythcommflag processes running anymore? mythweb says 99%/100% for the recordings... job queue still thinks they're active
[00:31:47] armand: any hints on where i could look?
[00:32:13] groogs_: Agrajag-: i don't think so. it's not supposed to delete for 7 days and i have tons of space. even when it was set to 1 day, it would do it for a recording that happened a couple hours ago
[00:33:11] groogs_: oh. and the recording is in the recordings folder.
[00:33:51] Agrajag-: maybe they're in a different group?
[00:34:28] xris: groogs_: filtering based on live tv?
[00:34:57] armand: noone has any ideas at all? not looking to be told what the problem is, just some ideas of where to look.. you guys know this stuff really well hehe.. what might cause this?
[00:35:14] groogs_: Agrajag-: i've never seen anything relating to groups.. so while it's possible, i didnt "change groups" or anything like that between scheulding them and trying to record.
[00:35:14] xris: armand: svn?
[00:35:18] armand: the backend logs dont show anything significant, if i mythcommflag -f the file it completes successfully
[00:35:22] armand: no sir, 0.19
[00:35:24] groogs_: xris: what do you mean?
[00:35:27] xris: groogs_: are they livetv recordings?
[00:35:34] xris: armand: no clue.
[00:35:48] groogs_: xris: oh. some of them are, but the ones i scheduled are also in there
[00:35:51] xris: armand: I've been having commflag weirdness with svn lately...
[00:36:03] Agrajag-: groogs_: try http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . ecordings.3F
[00:36:20] xris: groogs_: my point is that the recording list by default does not show livetv recordings... but other lists will.
[00:36:48] armand: xris: this is just regular 0.19. if i restart mythbackend it seems to clear up
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[00:37:13] armand: but i cant keep restarting it when this happens :( seems to be once a week or so
[00:37:35] groogs_: xris: oh, sorry, i was just looking in the recordings directory
[00:37:43] groogs_: Agrajag-: thanks, that solved it :p
[00:37:44] armand: i guess i could just -f them when this happens, but id really like to figure out what it is
[00:38:08] groogs_: (crap, i was even looking there, but I thought it was a problem with actually scheduling to record)
[00:39:13] groogs_: though, i do actually still have that problem
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[00:42:03] xris: armand: my problem is that it just doesn't run...
[00:43:39] groogs_: yeah, i can't seem to schedule recordings anymore (nothing has really changed, it's been inconsistent and sometimes it will show it as recording, sometimes not)
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[00:44:08] groogs_: if i select one of the record options, then save, when i select the show again a second later, it says "do not record this program"
[00:44:18] groogs_: and nothing shows up in "upcoming recordings"
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[00:46:50] groogs_: what table are scheduled recordings stored in?
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[00:49:11] groogs_: nm, 'record' .. i just selected the same show to 'record once' and then 'record any time any channel' .. it made two entries in the record table (with slightly different settings)
[00:49:43] groogs_: but in the guide, it still says "not recording" for that show, and upcoming programs says "you haven't scheduled any programs to be recorded"
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[01:04:05] groogs_: weird, in mythweb it shows multiple entries for all the shows i selected (probably from when I selected them multiple times)
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[01:09:04] groogs_: okay sorry, it shows all the listings in "recording schedules", but shows nothing in "upcoming recordings"
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[01:13:45] groogs_: ugh okay i dunno what was wrong, but i restarted mythbackend and now it has upcoming recordings
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[01:18:43] D-side: i'm mad at mythtv.
[01:19:01] D-side: it let me record and (worse!) play back the Blade: The Series premiere
[01:19:08] D-side: and it didnt turn it off on me.
[01:20:11] Dagmar: So I'm guessing it's like Blade III?
[01:21:51] D-side: depends on what you mean by that
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[01:22:04] D-side: ever get to watch that FX show Over There, about the troops in iraq?
[01:22:34] D-side: or perhaps you remember from back in the 90s, the rappers Onyx
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[01:51:07] doggkruse: is there a web interface to mytharchive or am I a crazy person
[01:51:08] doggkruse: ?
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[02:02:39] doggkruse: echo....
[02:03:07] opello: *crickets*
[02:05:01] groogs_: what do you guys recommend for 'commercial skip method'?
[02:05:31] opello: i use the blank frame detection and am pretty happy – but i guess it depends on what you watch
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[03:06:13] Super_King: Hello, I'm putting together a mythbox that needs to be able to playback 1080p HD video, and so at the moment I'm kinda torn between processors
[03:06:28] Super_King: which would you recomend? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116238
[03:06:29] Super_King: or
[03:06:33] Super_King: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116001
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[03:09:24] Mattwj2005: hey guys question for you....
[03:09:39] Mattwj2005: how stable is a kernel snapshot?
[03:09:59] Mattwj2005: the lastest one has pchdtv-5500 support for QAM built in
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[03:12:12] mchou: Super_King: both are poor choices
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[03:12:44] Super_King: ouch
[03:12:50] Super_King: care to recoment something?
[03:12:57] mchou: Super_King: why would you want power hungry heaters?
[03:13:15] mchou: Super_King: noisy too
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[03:13:53] mchou: Super_King: wait till intel conroe gets released and by an amd64 at lowered prices.....
[03:14:05] mchou: probably end of july
[03:14:19] mchou: s/by/buy/
[03:14:46] Super_King: ok
[03:14:55] Super_King: would dual core help at all?
[03:15:00] Super_King: or is it the 64 bit?
[03:15:06] mchou: only if you trancode
[03:15:12] mchou: transcode*
[03:15:37] mchou: personally I think dual core is a waste for a myth box, but that's just me
[03:15:46] Super_King: I see
[03:15:59] mchou: since I strictly watch and delete, no transcode
[03:16:35] mchou: but more beefy proc for 1080 is never a bad idea :)
[03:16:35] Super_King: has anybody had problem having problems burning transcoded mpeg4 recordings with mytharchive using the latest svn?
[03:17:40] d3ity: hey guys
[03:17:58] Super_King: lo
[03:18:05] d3ity: got a problem... strangley, mythtv has just decided to play musical channels on me. most of the information in my guide is wrong
[03:18:25] d3ity: how would I dump the guide and reget it? I tried mythfilldatabase, but it just ends up the same
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[03:18:32] mchou: wow, deity has a problem and expects us mere mortals to help :)
[03:18:33] d3ity: and I've tried deleting my channels and rescanning them
[03:18:35] Super_King: run mythtv-setup
[03:18:38] Super_King: oh
[03:18:39] Super_King: oh
[03:18:41] d3ity: yeah.
[03:18:42] Super_King: heh no clue then
[03:18:44] d3ity: odd problem
[03:18:52] Super_King: don't know what todo sorry
[03:18:57] Super_King: try clearing all your settings
[03:18:59] Super_King: and start fresh
[03:19:04] d3ity: mchou, i'm not asking a "mere" mortal, this one happens to be a king..and if that wasn't enough... he's super!
[03:19:04] Super_King: thats all I can think uf heh
[03:19:23] d3ity: would redoing my mysql database be useful at all?
[03:19:37] mchou: So Super_King happens to be Zeus in the deity pantheon? :)
[03:19:59] Super_King: cha
[03:20:04] Super_King: I got lighting and everything :P
[03:20:11] d3ity: word
[03:21:33] mchou: d3ity: log in to labs.zap2it.com and see if your channel lineup has changed at all
[03:21:53] mchou: d3ity: if not, it's most likely operator error :)
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[03:33:47] groogs_: hm, mythtv seems to have forgotton about my soundcard
[03:34:09] groogs_: suddenly no sound during anything – live tv, mythvideo.. and the volume buttons do nothing
[03:34:46] groogs_: i restarted too, just in case it was some hardware issue...
[03:37:16] groogs_: okay weird, the game emulator can play sound.. alsaplayer has sound
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[03:39:29] scottder: http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadge . . . -vxr-mini-pc
[03:39:41] scottder: that'd make a cute front-end machine
[03:39:43] groogs_: okay, this is weird. i didnt do anything, i was playing back a recording, exited back to the menu, then when i tried to play again, no sound
[03:40:01] groogs_: any ideas? i'm using the internal player
[03:43:45] groogs_: okay nevermind, something changed permission of /dev/dsp for some reason
[03:44:31] riddlebox: where is the hotplug directory?
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[03:58:08] gurbin: hello all
[03:59:10] gurbin: i want to make myth tv box can anyone help me with tuner card , video card and os selection
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[04:02:07] gurbin: i want to make myth tv box can anyone help me with tuner card , video card and os selection??
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[04:05:55] opello: gurbin: a good place to start: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1
[04:08:33] Dagmar: And perhaps, taking some initiative would help
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[04:14:46] scottder: rather than just spamming an irc channel....
[04:14:51] scottder: google is your friend
[04:15:02] gurbin: thanks bro
[04:15:12] gurbin: do you have one
[04:15:25] gurbin: what is your set up
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[04:22:18] scottder: mine? 1ghz P3 2x60GB HDs 512MB RAM PVR-150 NVidia fx5200 Turtle Beach Riveria Sound card
[04:22:25] scottder: Fedora COre 4
[04:22:36] scottder: runs like a champ (for SD content anyway)
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[04:28:41] gurbin: thanks
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[04:32:28] Speedy2: scottder: You using XvMC?
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[04:48:48] Gumby: can anyone refresh my brain as to the name of the xbox distro that is used as a myth frontend
[04:53:42] Gumby: ah, nm. I think what I was thinking of was xbmc.
[04:59:21] Captain_Murdoch: there are a couple I think. you could have had an answer from google by now.
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[05:08:47] nasa: anyone know why evey other button press on my remote shows up under irw? All the buttons work (eventually) — just that if I do the number pad, the first go around only odds, 2nd time evens....
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[05:43:16] intruz: i saw a webpage that had some of the setups people are using with mythtv but i lost the link does anyone have this?
[05:44:21] intruz: nvm
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[05:49:00] dmz: anyone using a pvr 500 here?
[05:53:49] dtm: dmz: hi!
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[05:59:06] Dagmar: I use one
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[06:11:36] power1: hey all, A couple of days ago I purchased a hauppauge pvr-350 with the intention of setting up a dedicated Mythtv box. after many hours of frustrated troubleshooting I decided to check if the card is working under windows. after trying the card on 3 different computers with the windows software that came with the card, I am still unable to capture any input either from composite or from tuner. Can I assume the card is faulty?
[06:14:30] d3ity: i should really learn to stop using bleeding edge crap.
[06:15:47] d3ity: power1, it might be a good time to give hauppage a call
[06:16:05] d3ity: that said, my PVR-150 has never even seen windows
[06:16:33] mchou: power1: most likely if it doesnt work under windows there is "something wrong"
[06:16:43] dtm: on three machines
[06:16:54] power1: d3ity, mchou damn my luck.......allways get the faulty hardware.
[06:17:03] mchou: power1: what exactly didnt work? what were the symptoms?
[06:17:22] mchou: power1: umm, I didnt say "bad HW"
[06:17:34] power1: am i correct in saying that the 350 has to capture composite via the svideo connector with the svideo to rca convertor thingie that comes in the box.
[06:17:49] power1: apparently the 150 you can plug rca directly in as an input.
[06:17:49] mchou: power1: you might not have seated it properly in the PCI slot :)
[06:18:30] power1: mchou, well it picks up the card properly and installs the drivers, and the radio tunder works.... so im sure its seated correctly.
[06:18:48] mchou: power1: ok :)
[06:19:03] d3ity: power1, yep, i've got component video on the back of my card.
[06:19:17] mchou: power1: that should teach ya to stop buying from ebay :)
[06:19:32] power1: mchou, under gentoo the tuner worked for a couple of minutes but would jerk when it captured, then no go..under windows on 3 seperate pc's no capture on anything no matter what i tried.
[06:19:56] power1: mchou, <grin> no ebay..bought directly from a distributor.
[06:20:00] mchou: power1: then at least it worked once :)
[06:20:23] mchou: power1: still could have been operator error :)
[06:20:35] power1: mchou, yeah.......but under windows it should be a no brainer....im sure the card is a dud...
[06:20:50] power1: mchou, do you reccomend the 150 over the 350 for myth?
[06:20:54] mchou: power1: you coulda zapped it with ESD
[06:21:21] mchou: power1: I dont recommend ANY analog tuner at this stage in time
[06:21:32] power1: mchou, i doubt it.....never zapped a crd in my life...
[06:21:38] mchou: power1: if you can use digital :)
[06:21:56] power1: like what?
[06:22:09] mchou: power1: depends where you live
[06:22:42] power1: yeah well I am not in the statues..the only thing i have is digital sattelite, but i think the decoder still outputs analog..
[06:22:54] mchou: power1: heh, too bad.
[06:23:06] mchou: power1: analog may be your only choice then
[06:23:11] power1: mchou, you using myth on top aof a distro or knoppmyth.
[06:23:15] d3ity: :( this compile takes forever, even with all the distcc garbage taken out
[06:23:22] mchou: power1: distro
[06:23:24] power1: d3ity, u using gentoo
[06:23:24] d3ity: 3rd time i've recompiled myth this week
[06:23:35] d3ity: power1, hell no, slackware...who the hell has time to use gentoo?
[06:23:49] mchou: gentoo is for loonies
[06:23:50] dtm: lol
[06:24:01] power1: d3ity, grin, I tried with gentoo first....I am starting to think it was a mistake.
[06:24:13] d3ity: the .0000ms speed increase is not worth the extra hour and a half added to my compiles.
[06:24:14] mchou: by the time you finish compiling the damn thing is obsolete :)
[06:24:15] power1: <lol> thanks....
[06:24:29] dtm: people who have time to shun automation and general 21st century best practices and thus use slackware, dont have any room to talk about gentoo.
[06:24:42] dtm: that's an amish talking crap on a quaker
[06:24:44] d3ity: dtm, sorry, i don't use redhat.
[06:25:07] d3ity: if i was like the rest of the world and was happy with fedora, I suppose i'd be a better person
[06:25:09] mchou: d3ity: redhat is not the only distro around
[06:25:14] d3ity: If i had the time of day to wait for compiles, I'd use gentoo
[06:25:19] dtm: d3ity: and i dont use an electric toothbrush. what's that got to do with anything?
[06:25:22] d3ity: if I REALLY wanted to live in 1992, I'd use BSD
[06:25:33] power1: Opinions: is it better to use the tv out on an nvidia card or to use the output of a card like the hauppauge 350?
[06:25:43] mchou: power1: nvidia
[06:25:48] power1: mchou, why?
[06:25:50] mchou: 350 is a PITA
[06:26:01] mchou: to configure and get working
[06:26:02] power1: mchou, ?? PITA??
[06:26:06] ** d3ity wishes he had money to blow on a PVR 500 **
[06:26:12] mchou: and it is only mpeg2
[06:26:32] mchou: power1: Pain in the ASS (TM)
[06:26:49] power1: mchou, he he ok..... but isnt the 150 also only mpeg 2
[06:27:08] mchou: power1: also there are rumors the the myth devs are going to drop 350 tv out support
[06:27:31] mchou: power1: not sure if there is truth in that though
[06:27:39] power1: So if you were offered a 350 and a 150 at the same price you would take the 150?
[06:27:53] d3ity: power1, I like my 150. It does what it's supposed to.
[06:28:05] mchou: power1: no, if at same price take 350 :)
[06:28:21] mchou: then buy a nvidia card for tv out :)
[06:28:26] d3ity: for the price, it worked for me, I just wish it had a damn remote
[06:28:35] mchou: since nvidia can also display divx :)
[06:28:41] d3ity: speaking of, question
[06:28:52] d3ity: where might i find information on getting a remote for mythtv
[06:29:03] power1: mchou, why.....isnt the only diff the tv out .....so why would u take the 350 if you are gonna use nvidia out anyway?
[06:29:04] mchou: d3ity: lirc.org
[06:29:17] d3ity: mchou, isn't that the driver for the hauppage remotes?
[06:29:24] mchou: cause it's the same price as 150, why not?
[06:29:36] mchou: d3ity: mo
[06:29:39] mchou: no*
[06:29:43] power1: Is there any one in here who is using a 350?
[06:30:16] mchou: power1: plenty. but 350s are on the wan due to the extra expense and PITA
[06:30:20] d3ity: mchou, ahhh i see now
[06:30:22] mchou: wane*
[06:30:32] power1: Also whats the least painful way of getting myth up and running, best guides and docs...which distro , redhat, knoppmyth??? opinions?
[06:30:35] d3ity: now, I just have to remember from my dos days... parallel is the old printer port correct?
[06:31:37] Speedy2: yes
[06:31:37] Speedy2: lpt1
[06:31:42] Speedy2: etc
[06:31:47] dtm: power1: i found fedora's to be grand
[06:31:52] mchou: power1: you live in zaire?
[06:31:59] dtm: power1: you follow the guide exactly and it's almost totally automated.
[06:32:04] power1: dtm, did u follow the core 4 guide.?
[06:32:17] dtm: i dont recall. i think so.
[06:32:27] power1: mchou, nope.....right continent tho..I am in south africa
[06:33:15] mchou: power1: is the pres. still saying aids is cause by "environmental factors" and not virus? :)
[06:34:15] power1: mchou, suffice to say we have some incredibly stupid people in goverment......
[06:34:39] mchou: power1: lol. you arent the only country w/ that issue
[06:35:48] mchou: power1: we have "King George" aka "the shrub" :)
[06:35:50] power1: mchou, that nonsesnse was uttered by a female minister who was also quoted as saying when asked why the country was spending 4$ Billion on weaponry, instead of on aids and housing etc , she said we need it incase America attacks...<grin> LOL
[06:36:09] power1: mchou, where u at?
[06:36:21] mchou: power1: US
[06:36:24] dtm: power1: was she serious?
[06:36:32] dtm: mchou: lol
[06:37:07] power1: mchou, If the truth be told if america attacks they could probably carpet bomb the whole country in a day or 2 with or without 4$ billion in weaponry.
[06:37:07] dtm: mchou: the next step is that he needs to shriek at anyone with the presumption to look at him in the eye
[06:37:13] mchou: dtm: "King George" got a dope slap today from the Supreme Court today though :)
[06:37:15] dtm: mchou: or to speak without being first addressed
[06:37:20] dtm: mchou: yeah i've been reading about that.
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[06:37:41] dtm: mchou: i just recently watched "the madness of king george III". it was pretty good.
[06:37:57] mchou: dtm: where you see that?
[06:38:07] dtm: mchou: netflix
[06:38:14] power1: LOL , yeah old George is a really colourful character......and in no danger of getting the most popular american president award!
[06:38:16] mchou: dtm: hmm, ok
[06:38:22] dtm: power1: lololol
[06:39:39] mchou: power1: how about the most dumb president award?
[06:39:52] power1: Damn!....I am annoyed..I am gonna have to mission out the the supplier of this piece of crap faulty 350 card and try and either get it credited and take a 150 or tell them it faulty and wait for it to be tested and swopped out....Grrrrr
[06:40:37] mchou: power1: you still havent told us exactly what happened
[06:40:54] mchou: do you get static or green/blue backgound?
[06:41:35] power1: mchou, dtm yeah i downloaded a documentary done by a a press lady that was filming and travelling with him on his election campaign. Its hillarious.....you really have no idea how stupid the man is until you see him in a socail envioroment behind world cameras.
[06:41:59] power1: mchou, I have told you....what else do u need to know.
[06:42:18] mchou: power1: do you get static or green/blue backgound?
[06:43:00] power1: mchou, basically the card even under windows on 3 seperate pc's just wont capture anything. I can plug a dvd player directly into either svideo or composite.....and it does not pick up a thing....in fact if i choose svideo as the input source it goes greyed out.
[06:43:19] ** d3ity yawns slightly **
[06:43:20] power1: mchou, just a black background....no change at all.
[06:43:41] d3ity: ugh, this compile has to take its time doesn't it
[06:44:03] mchou: power1: wonder if that's macrovision kicking in.......
[06:44:21] mchou: try the tuner first :)
[06:44:36] mchou: see if that works first
[06:44:44] dtm: power1: how about King George flipping off the cameras when he thought they were shut off?
[06:44:47] power1: mchou, naaah ive tried from an old vhs machine as well both using the tunder output as well as composite..same thing.
[06:44:56] mchou: then try svideo with a vcr if possible
[06:45:03] dtm: power1: did you see that one?
[06:45:07] d3ity: power1, tuner is a good place to start, if you need component video capture, make sure the driver you have is setup correctly for such an activity
[06:45:19] d3ity: ie cat /dev/video0 < test.mpg
[06:45:46] mchou: d3ity: wrong direction
[06:45:46] d3ity: I know ivtv wants you to jump through hoops to use a component hookup
[06:45:55] d3ity: mchou, i hate the chevrons...
[06:46:11] power1: dtm, yeah its unbeleivable....30 years ago...that would have ended his career. the problem with the times we live in...there is information overload so it does not matter what the hell he does....the mindless controleld consumer masses just kinda do whatever they are told.
[06:46:13] d3ity: mchou, I can understand them in c++, I just never get it right for cat
[06:46:43] dtm: power1: info overload and children raising children
[06:46:48] d3ity: probably because stream insertion in c++ is >> and stream extraction is <<
[06:47:11] dtm: power1: did you see the slashdot article about the increased rate of people who are adults only biologically and not mentally?
[06:47:21] d3ity: dtm, yep, saw that one
[06:47:22] power1: dtm, d3ity thats why I decided to test under winblows....and if its not working under winblows them I assume its not a driver issue.
[06:47:28] dtm: power1: infantilism == nanny state
[06:47:44] d3ity: power1, i've seen some awesome linux drivers and some crappy windows drivers in my day..
[06:47:58] d3ity: its possible you have a bad card, but i'd want to make absolutley sure
[06:48:06] power1: dtm, naah never saw it ill check it out...
[06:48:28] d3ity: power1, theres another one about people having fewer friends
[06:48:32] d3ity: that was also a good read
[06:48:34] dtm: yesh.
[06:48:49] d3ity: and the comments.... hillarious
[06:48:55] dtm: truly sad, but it's also indicative of the fact that we're now aware of sociological problems which have always existed.
[06:48:56] power1: d3ity, just pulled down knoppmyth.... I think that probably would be the best definitive test,, should i slap it in and find out?
[06:49:02] mchou: dtm: in fact I cant believe the flag burning amemdment to US Constitution almost passed Congress
[06:49:07] d3ity: power1, can't hurt
[06:49:14] mchou: dtm: yesterday
[06:49:22] d3ity: if knopmyth doesn't like it...well then, you may have a card that hates you
[06:49:38] mchou: dtm: 1 more vote in Senate and it would have passed. Shudder.....
[06:49:39] d3ity: intel processors hate me, your pvr350 might hate you.
[06:49:46] d3ity: but knopmyth should tell you
[06:49:54] dtm: mchou: yeah it's one thing to mutilate the constitution in favor of the illusion of safety from terroristic annihilation. but for just total homogeny of thought is utterly unamerican and infantile.
[06:50:02] dtm: the former is unamerican enough
[06:50:08] d3ity: dtm, agreed.
[06:50:37] mchou: dtm: I am deathy afraid.
[06:50:42] d3ity: dtm, I'm all for blowing the shit out of sandy countrys one by one, but I'm not for censorship of the media...especially the new york times...I mean, come on, how many people believe whats written in that thing anyway
[06:50:44] mchou: deathly*
[06:50:45] dtm: in fact, the entire thought of modifying the constitution at all for any purpose other than correcting mistakes and oversights, will probably always be totally immoral and nonsensical
[06:51:06] dtm: things like granting more rights to the people, for once, again, would be nice
[06:51:13] mchou: dtm: US is almost like pre-Nazi Germany......
[06:51:20] d3ity: mchou, I wouldn't go that far
[06:51:21] mchou: fascists.....
[06:51:26] dtm: like changing it from saying "all men are created equal" to "all people are created equal". how about that?!?!?!?
[06:51:31] mchou: d3ity: I would
[06:51:43] d3ity: I'd say we're approaching socialist europe more than pre-WWII germany
[06:52:17] mchou: socialist Europe? please. There is nothing "socialist" about US
[06:52:19] dtm: i think the two primary characteristics are 1) nanny state 2) corporate state
[06:52:23] dtm: so those are essentially fascism
[06:52:33] dtm: according to wikipedia and slashdot
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[06:52:47] dtm: and according to every expert they've cited
[06:53:00] Mattwj2005: well I am going to try an patched kernel...right now it is compiling :)
[06:53:11] power1: The interesting thing over history is how politicians have used fear to pass laws that would never otherwise be accepted....or use or create event in order to push their agendas.
[06:53:18] dtm: which are sources i'm not aware of being under substantial question
[06:53:57] dtm: and those are the criteria by which i do my research, in addition to gauging global public opinion by way of news.google.com's myriad global sources
[06:54:08] dtm: and, uh, personal reason ^_^
[06:54:38] power1: for eg: did you know its open knowledge that the american goverment... during the cold war had a story standing by in case the first manned space launch crashed or exploded.....they were going to say the cubans interfered via radio with the controls...and use it as a reason to invade cuba...
[06:54:51] power1: dDamn interesting things must go on behind closed doors.
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[06:55:01] d3ity: mchou, social welfare, steadily increasing taxes. The patriot act? all sound pretty socialist to me.
[06:55:09] mchou: power1: lol, nasa just left :)
[06:55:58] mchou: d3ity: social welfare?? what welfare? Clinton & Bush ended wlfare "as we know it"
[06:56:26] dtm: power1: hey i just read one of the most impacting statements i've ever seen, today. it was a book by Ayn Rand which said that the govt only increases power for various reasons, and it's impossible to rule innocent people, so it must manufacture guilt by way of immoral, illogical, and unenforceable laws. it doesn't mean for the laws to be observed; it means for them to be unenforceably broken.
[06:56:33] mchou: d3ity: how many millions medically uninsured?
[06:56:58] dtm: in other words, the wholesale criminalization of the public, who'll acquiesce even as the govt moves to protect them from themselves.
[06:57:11] power1: dtm, thats an interesting take on it, I have never thought about it that way...
[06:57:12] dtm: using the public's own resources.
[06:57:23] dtm: power1: and they see this as necessary, right, and good
[06:57:32] mchou: dtm: bah, Ayn Rand was a right-wing kook
[06:57:39] dtm: power1: as has every powermonger in the history of the world
[06:57:55] dtm: mchou: i dont know anything about Ayn Rand.. i just know that passage
[06:58:06] dtm: which was the serious business
[06:58:08] dtm: !
[06:58:22] Dagmar: Damn. I need a mysql command that does nothing because mysqladmin sucks
[06:58:41] dtm: when i said "govt only increases power for various reasons", i meant that the govt seeks only to increase power, and it does it under various guises.
[06:58:46] power1: dtm so in other words,, they use guilt to control, as its impossible to not be guilty of something when the laws are so illogical,
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[06:59:21] dtm: the needs they perceive which justify the increasing of their power, are myriad. and may be reluctant! and simply totally ignorant and misguided.
[06:59:41] dtm: such as the police wanting their jobs to be easier. i mean who wouldn't? OTHER THAN A PUBLIC FUCKING SERVANT!
[06:59:47] dtm: er uh. *ahem*.
[06:59:54] mchou: dtm: those are the rantings of a wingnut
[07:00:12] Dagmar: mysqladmin doesn't take an options file, and I am very loathe to hand it a password over the command line
[07:00:14] d3ity: This lineup contains no effective stations. Please select the back button to select another lineup.
[07:00:15] dtm: mchou: okay. well. they're facts. wingnuts dont have a monopoly on facts.
[07:00:16] d3ity: now
[07:00:23] d3ity: THAT explains my channel listing problems
[07:00:29] d3ity: thanks zap2it
[07:00:39] d3ity: I appreciate my listings not showing up
[07:01:07] d3ity: I can only pray that this is an indication an upgrade from my cable company is going to appear soon
[07:01:13] dtm: lol
[07:01:15] power1: If the truth be told...the world is really in such a bad state.... with globalization and exploding populations as well as corporate greed and dwindling natural resources......there is nothing we can do.... the ball allready has too much momentum.....all we can hope to achieve is keep our minds free and try and live out our lives the best we can..
[07:01:32] dtm: power1: hehe maintain mobility and education
[07:01:39] d3ity: corporate greed isn't a problem persay.... it's more of the basis of the world economy
[07:01:55] d3ity: it gets to shameful proportions (Enron, etc)
[07:02:02] d3ity: but... it's nothing new to the human condition
[07:02:06] power1: dtm, he he..... or Run, and hide...
[07:02:08] dtm: yeah it's a problem... it's legally mandated due to the nature and structure of the corporation as a legal entity. greed is effectively mandated at all other costs.
[07:02:13] intruz: who was the slowest system running mythtv?
[07:02:22] dtm: the publicly traded corporation anyway
[07:02:24] intruz: anyone want to describe their setup
[07:02:26] mchou: dtm: lol, Enron is nothing compare to Microsoft and Gates Foundation :)
[07:02:32] d3ity: dtm, especially in a global economy, education is rediculously important
[07:02:33] dtm: mchou: ha
[07:02:42] dtm: mchou: i dont know any better but i dont doubt it
[07:02:44] xris: intruz: a lot of factors could go into that
[07:02:46] d3ity: mchou, oh, yeah, bill gate's rainy day jar
[07:02:50] d3ity: *gates's
[07:02:51] xris: hardware/software encoder, hd, etc, etc
[07:02:52] dtm: d3ity: lolololol
[07:03:01] intruz: xris, right
[07:03:24] power1: d3ity, gonna install myth...what do i try first to see if its working..?
[07:03:39] d3ity: one day, when all his money is gone ( IE, some grand socialist/communist revolution that devalues world currency)
[07:03:45] d3ity: he'll have his rainy day jar
[07:03:56] d3ity: and if that fails, and they finally catch his company doing all the shit they do
[07:04:10] d3ity: he's got about 100 mil in ciggerettes, so he'll be able to buy things in jail
[07:04:16] d3ity: power1, don't use myth to test
[07:04:25] dtm: d3ity: lollllllll
[07:04:26] intruz: is anyone running mythtv on a p2?
[07:04:30] d3ity: use the utilities provided by the kernel module you're using, whether its ivtv or whathaveyou
[07:04:35] dtm: intruz: i'm running it on a 233 MHz G3
[07:04:43] dtm: or, i have, and i will again shortly
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[07:04:45] power1: mchou, I see that the gates foundation just got a donation of 32 biliion dollars..
[07:04:49] d3ity: intruz, I'm sure its possible, but not...quite... sane.
[07:04:57] dtm: intruz: just the backend. but i'm going to attempt the frontend also! ^_^
[07:04:59] intruz: with frontend?
[07:05:03] intruz: lol
[07:05:13] d3ity: frontend, you're a brave soul
[07:05:13] mchou: power1: yeah, from Warren Buffet
[07:05:14] dtm: i'd imagine it'd feel like it was forkbombed
[07:05:25] dtm: when switching visual contexts
[07:05:35] intruz: i have a couple boxes im considering running mythtv on
[07:05:39] d3ity: dtm, or perhaps it'd be akin to dipping your CPU in liquid hot magma
[07:05:41] power1: mchou, yeah........HAVE YOU READ BAD THINGS ABOUT THE GATES FOUNDATION..IF SO ...DO SHARE...
[07:05:41] mchou: power1: Gates and Buffet are present day robber barons
[07:05:45] d3ity: alright. anyway
[07:05:50] d3ity: i'm going to go to sleep now
[07:05:56] d3ity: since I have to work in a few hours
[07:05:57] intruz: i have a 500mhz p3 a couple of p2's and a 1ghz celeron
[07:06:17] d3ity: so.. I bid #mythtv-users goodnight, I'm gonna go fall asleep to my delicious...delicious mythtv
[07:06:23] mchou: power1: no, I have not read any bad things about gates foundation :)
[07:06:58] intruz: dtm, how much ram?
[07:07:31] xris: mchou: other than donating tons of copies of windows to schools to indoctrinate the young.  :)
[07:07:42] xris: but they've done a lot of good other than that.
[07:08:33] intruz: does anyone use mythtv for cctv systems?
[07:08:44] intruz: like security cameras and such
[07:08:53] mchou: xris: you know the plot to "The Godfather," right?
[07:09:08] Speedy2: Gates foundation is giving money in such a way, they're supporting big business practices, just in a serruptitous way...since donations aren't policed or subject to regulations.
[07:09:17] mchou: xris: It's about a guy trying to go "legit" :)
[07:09:27] xris: mchou: so is "oscar"  ;)
[07:09:44] xris: intruz: I've run into people who do that, yes.
[07:10:08] mchou: xris: "Just when I think I'm out, the pull me back in...."
[07:10:14] mchou: they*
[07:10:26] dtm: intruz: i think it's something like 160MB. i dont have it booted.
[07:10:52] dtm: d3ity: dude. if you ever accidentally drop your cpu into liquid hot magma.... don't go in after it. coz, man... it's gone.
[07:11:02] dtm: (to paraphrase the great Jack Handey)
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[07:41:34] LoneShadow: hiya mchou
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[07:41:47] LoneShadow: anyone know what this error means ? http://pastebin.ca/75505
[07:41:50] mchou: LoneShadow: what's up?
[07:42:06] LoneShadow: frontend is requesting backend for the video, and backend records it, but fails to open it ?
[07:42:28] LoneShadow: I tried running backend and frontend as user mythtv and as well as root, it failed both times
[07:42:37] mchou: heh
[07:42:55] LoneShadow: video seems fine when I played it manually using mplayer =/
[07:43:00] mchou: clearly /var/video is not mounted
[07:43:08] LoneShadow: it is :P
[07:43:17] LoneShadow: its writing the file into it
[07:43:20] mchou: or wrong perms
[07:44:05] LoneShadow: "/dev/mapper/VGforMyth-video on /var/video type xfs (rw)
[07:44:12] LoneShadow: from my mount cmd
[07:44:37] LoneShadow: "/dev/VGforMyth/video /var/video xfs defaults 0 0
[07:44:41] LoneShadow: from fstab
[07:44:49] mchou: umm, that doent mean anything
[07:44:54] mchou: doesnt*
[07:45:25] mchou: what maaters is what ls -ral /var/video
[07:45:32] mchou: matters*
[07:45:54] mchou: LoneShadow: you find your processor yet?
[07:46:06] LoneShadow: not yet =/
[07:46:20] LoneShadow: didnt search much, was busy with the msntv
[07:46:31] LoneShadow: but will find it by weekend :D
[07:46:35] mchou: LoneShadow: I want to to know there is a possibility even if you get the caps replaced there is the chance mobo wont work
[07:46:47] LoneShadow: aah
[07:47:03] mchou: there is discoloration under the power transistors
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[07:47:13] mchou: most likely fried
[07:47:34] LoneShadow: then I wouldnt want to sell such a board to someone :P
[07:47:34] mchou: when the caps went south
[07:47:50] mchou: the transistors can be replaced.....
[07:47:58] mchou: but they are a bith
[07:48:02] mchou: bitch*
[07:48:46] mchou: still, you can try replacing the caps first.....
[07:48:57] mchou: if it works, all is well.
[07:49:11] Speedy2: What's up with your caps?
[07:49:12] mchou: otherwise the transistors need to be replaced too
[07:49:30] mchou: Speedy2: got pregnant
[07:49:30] LoneShadow: caps threw up a lil :P
[07:49:37] Speedy2: What brand MB?
[07:49:44] LoneShadow: Gigabyte :D
[07:49:46] mchou: giga-byte
[07:50:55] Speedy2: The discoloration is probably leaked electrolytic fluid
[07:51:06] Speedy2: What color is it? Can you take a picture?
[07:51:07] mchou: Speedy2: doubtful
[07:51:23] mchou: Speedy2: it aint under the caps :)
[07:51:23] Speedy2: If the MOSFET is blown, you'll see it on the package
[07:51:33] Speedy2: Who's board is damaged mchou or LoneShadow?
[07:51:40] LoneShadow: mchou: check http://pastebin.ca/75508
[07:51:53] LoneShadow: Speedy2: mine, though mchou is trying to help me fix it
[07:51:56] mchou: Speedy2: LoneShadow's, but I have it now
[07:52:37] Speedy2: I see.
[07:53:22] mchou: LoneShadow: wrong perms, like I said
[07:53:51] LoneShadow: hmm
[07:54:07] LoneShadow: make it 777 for . and .. ?
[07:55:33] mchou: /var/video need write perms for user "myth"
[07:56:11] LoneShadow: I tried adding mythtv
[07:56:15] LoneShadow: to admin group
[07:56:21] LoneShadow: is it myth or mythtv ?
[07:56:23] mchou: and I'm assuming user "myth" aint part of admin grp
[07:56:48] mchou: LoneShadow: it's whatever user you created for myth
[07:57:37] LoneShadow: admin:x:114:mythtv
[07:57:37] LoneShadow: mythtv:x:500:
[07:58:04] LoneShadow: I added admin:x:114:mythtv to /etc/group, didnt have an entry for admin to begin with
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[07:59:11] mchou: LoneShadow: you also need to check the video and audio grps :)
[08:00:22] LoneShadow: yea, I also added mythtv to cdrom, audio, video, plugdev along with admin
[08:00:54] mchou: LoneShadow: well, dunno what to tell ya
[08:01:04] mchou: everything seems to be in order
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[08:23:35] LoneShadow: to begin with, I didnt have admin group, also I did not use gpasswd, edited the /etc/group directly
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[08:34:24] Dagmar: Damnit I need to unbind that
[08:35:16] Dagmar: LoneShadow: Who is group 1000?
[08:35:27] Dagmar: Whenever you see a number showing up, something's usually futzed
[08:35:38] LoneShadow: used to be mythtv
[08:35:59] Dagmar: It damn well *should* be able to read that ringbuffer file tho
[08:36:59] Dagmar: In theory anyway... since I'm assuming it *wrote* the thing in the first place. Is there a possibility this last statement isn't true?
[08:37:32] LoneShadow: yes it wrote it during install as 1000 for mythtv
[08:37:43] LoneShadow: I added mythtv for video and other groups
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[08:37:58] Dagmar: Did you happen to check to see if that file actually exists?
[08:37:58] LoneShadow: since admin group didnt exist, I added that as well
[08:38:07] LoneShadow: you mean the video file ?
[08:38:17] Dagmar: Specifically /var/video/1002_20060629195319.mpg
[08:38:20] LoneShadow: yea
[08:38:40] LoneShadow: I copy it to my nfs drive, and I played the file using mplaye on my frontend
[08:38:44] LoneShadow: copied*
[08:39:01] Dagmar: The machine is trying to access this file over NFS?
[08:39:10] LoneShadow: ?
[08:39:20] LoneShadow: my front end is diskless
[08:39:58] Dagmar: Ah, then I'd ssh into the frontend and make sure that the file actually can be read.
[08:40:06] Dagmar: Something might be screwed up with your NFS mount
[08:40:40] LoneShadow: if I copy the file to the nfs mount, my friend can access it and play it out onto the tv using mplayer
[08:40:55] LoneShadow: not sure how mythtv-frontend picks up the video from the backend
[08:41:07] LoneShadow: probably some sort of socket I guess
[08:41:21] LoneShadow: err, friend = frontend :P
[08:41:41] LoneShadow: I need sleep =/
[08:42:25] Hoxzer: = sleep is waste of time
[08:42:41] Hoxzer: LoneShadow: what distro do you use (I ask this from anybody)
[08:42:50] LoneShadow: heh
[08:43:03] Dagmar: Your friend's NFS mounter might be working more correctly than the one on your frontenf
[08:43:04] LoneShadow: ubuntu breezer on my frontend, and ubuntu dapper on the backend
[08:43:29] LoneShadow: Dagmar: s/friend/frontend, it was a typo
[08:44:43] LoneShadow: is it ok to run mythtv-frontend and mythtv-backend as root ?
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[08:46:52] hashbang: LoneShadow: they're not /designed/ to be secure when run as root, if that's what you're getting at
[08:47:06] hashbang: e.g. if you use mythweb to browse a hostile site...
[08:47:56] hashbang: LoneShadow: the backend's OK, though
[08:48:25] Hoxzer: ô_ô
[08:48:54] Dagmar: With running MythBrowser you get to blame the KDE team for any problems tho, so that's good.  :)
[08:49:20] hashbang: LoneShadow: but take care not to expose the backend to the entire internet, though, just in case (i.e. firewall the ports it uses)
[08:49:30] hashbang: Dagmar: Teflon shoulders, eh?
[08:49:47] Hoxzer: Dagmar: I wants you to beee myyy veryyyy ooooowwwwwwn
[08:49:48] Hoxzer: ok?
[08:50:04] LoneShadow: restarting both my machines, will try again and see
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[08:58:24] Daboone72: bugger the search engine on gossamer appears not to be working
[09:00:51] Daboone72: I'm trying to find an example setpci script for 2.5GHz processor. AGP Card and DVB Capture card, raid array, +1 external
[09:01:08] Speedy2: setpci script?
[09:01:38] Daboone72: yeah you know you tune your PCI bus to give more bandwidth to your capture card and hard drives.
[09:01:56] Dagmar: What in the name of god are you two talking about? Teflon what?
[09:01:59] hashbang: Daboone72: it depends on your hardware
[09:02:14] Daboone72: setpci -v -s 02:0c.0 latency_timer=b0 this kind of thing
[09:02:20] hashbang: Dagmar: teflon shoulders == non-stick coated shoulders, so responsibilities just slide off. ;-)
[09:02:29] Speedy2: Daboone72: I've never had to do that...are you experiencing buffer underruns, etc?
[09:02:32] Dagmar: hashbang: Hey, they wrote the code. It's their problem.
[09:02:40] Dagmar: Me, I just wedge in pro-police and openwall
[09:02:47] Daboone72: it's just annongying blocky.
[09:03:17] Dagmar: Until there's a way to get that fancy prioritizing stuff working without root, my frontend is going to be running as root.
[09:03:43] Dagmar: Of course, since I've yet to find a way to get *just* Konqueror to compile out of KDE without all the rest, I'm not using it anyway.
[09:03:51] Hoxzer: Keskikesän taikaa NYT ON ilo raik
[09:03:58] hashbang: Daboone72: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_Latency
[09:04:27] hashbang: Daboone72: that explains how to find the PCI IDs and set suitable latency values
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[09:04:59] Daboone72: yeah I've stumbled on that it's a big vague on the reasoning.
[09:05:13] Dagmar: Daboone72: It has no idea what it is you want to do.
[09:05:20] Dagmar: Of course, if you don't know either, you're boned.
[09:05:46] Daboone72: He doesn't even say if thats 32 hex or 32 decimal which would be 20hex
[09:06:29] hashbang: Daboone72: n is a hex value between 0 and ff (setpci will round down ff, which is actually 255, to the required 248).]
[09:06:48] Dagmar: Daboone72: You should really read what you just typed aloud.
[09:07:24] Dagmar: ...because when 32 hex is also 20 hex, well, it's time to check your coffee for small floating squares of paper.
[09:07:54] Daboone72: he should have put 0x32
[09:08:08] hashbang: no, 32 d == 0x20 hex
[09:08:15] Dagmar: CLIs almost always take their inputs in decimal
[09:08:59] Speedy2: That's interesting that people have had to tweak their PCI latency settings...any of you guys do that?
[09:09:01] hashbang: Dagmar: setpci doesn't
[09:09:14] Dagmar: Now if you're referring to this one being vague about it, that's when you look at the man page, which is not vague about it
[09:09:17] hashbang: Speedy2: I do it, but I've no idea whether it makes the blindest bit of difference.
[09:09:28] Dagmar: Speedy2: Never bothered. Mine just work.
[09:09:32] hashbang: Speedy2: I suspect it's a bit of Gentoo-ish -O99-ism.
[09:09:35] Speedy2: I bet it helps on systems with broke PCI (i.e. "VIA")
[09:09:41] hashbang: Speedy2: heh, that too.
[09:09:55] hashbang: "Most of this page came from information from Dan Robbins (drobbins@gentoo.org ) of Gentoo Technologies"
[09:09:58] Speedy2: broken.
[09:10:00] Dagmar: I don't think that setpci can fix crazy DMA problems with old/broken VIA chipsets
[09:10:14] hashbang: Dagmar: that too. :-)
[09:10:17] Speedy2: Dagmar: I think you're right, it bet it just helps to mask the problem.
[09:10:20] Dagmar: hashbang: ooo you got that one spot on. Heh
[09:10:26] Speedy2: fscking via
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[09:10:49] hashbang: nVidia recommend a latency of 0x80, though.
[09:10:54] hashbang: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php? . . . ;postcount=5
[09:10:56] Speedy2: All my systems are either AMD chipset or Intel.
[09:11:05] hashbang: for their VGA cards
[09:11:09] Dagmar: I have some via boards.
[09:11:18] Dagmar: It's only the ones from about 2000 that were really broken for me
[09:11:20] ** hashbang is an Intel bigot. **
[09:11:27] Dagmar: All the rest have behaved just fine
[09:11:29] Speedy2: I used to be very anti-Intel.
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[09:11:42] Speedy2: My last two systems are Intel-based
[09:12:04] Dagmar: For the record, you might want to just look in your BIOS instead of screwing around with setpci.
[09:12:17] Dagmar: I can set the PCI latency for my board in the BIOS just fine, but I left it alone at 64.
[09:12:28] hashbang: Dagmar: see 5.4.1.1 of the mythtv-howto for using real-time scheduling without running mythfrontend as root
[09:12:37] hashbang: Dagmar: JFW, here on FC4.
[09:12:40] Dagmar: hashbang: Hmm... Pulling that up now hten
[09:12:55] Dagmar: We need a plucker feed for the wiki so I can read it while I smoke outside.
[09:13:56] Dagmar: hashbang: Not to be a damp dishcloth, but there doesn't appear to be a section 5.4.1.1
[09:14:07] hashbang: Dagmar: search for 'rlimits'
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[09:15:26] Dagmar: I see it. Googled for "rlimits mythtv" but i finally found it
[09:15:32] Dagmar: Good thing I've got PAM, I guess
[09:15:52] hashbang: Dagmar: I think PAM is an assumed part of a modern distro, these days.
[09:16:07] hashbang: Dagmar: certainly, it was a driving force in switching a friend from Slackware to FC/RH
[09:16:18] Dagmar: hashbang: I have Slackware.
[09:16:30] hashbang: Dagmar: a year or two ago. ;-)
[09:16:37] Dagmar: I despise PAM above all else, but it does too many things I need.
[09:16:50] hashbang: Dagmar: he was forced to rebuild many packages and patch a few himself.
[09:16:55] Dagmar: You should have just had him install Dropline.  ;)_
[09:17:03] hashbang: Dagmar: I think this was pre-Dropline
[09:20:58] Dagmar: I am starting to really hate MySQL.
[09:21:34] intruz: they went to ms and sco
[09:21:39] intruz: you should hate them
[09:21:58] hashbang: intruz: eh?
[09:22:23] intruz: microsoft
[09:25:35] hashbang: intruz: what about them?
[09:27:08] Dagmar: no, I hate them because there is no simple effing way using their @#$@# CLI tools to just PING the damn server to see if it's running.
[09:27:46] Dagmar: ...even though the tools can damn well tell if it's up or not, they'll return a coherent 'access denied' error if the server is up, but you don't have the proper credentials.
[09:27:52] Dagmar: What idiot thought that up?
[09:28:01] Dagmar: If the server can say "NO I DO NOT TRUST YOU" then it damn well IS up!
[09:28:33] Dagmar: I'm having to write this super-convoluted series of routines to test to make sure the database is up before starting the backend because of it
[09:28:56] Dagmar: ...and if you think I'm kidding, just try it. Set a password on your root mysql user and then do a `mysqladmin ping`
[09:29:30] Dagmar: You will get:
[09:29:30] Dagmar: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[09:29:30] Dagmar: error: 'Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
[09:29:40] Dagmar: *sigh*
[09:32:26] hashbang: Dagmar: use mysqladmin ping -p
[09:32:59] hashbang: or --password=pAsSw0rD
[09:33:41] Dagmar: Two reasons why that won't work
[09:33:53] Dagmar: in a sec. someone is actually HERE at the NOC
[09:46:32] Dagmar: Okay. The first problem being that this is going to be done through an init script, so interactive entry is out, as well as passing a password over the command line since that would make it show in the output of ps
[09:47:04] Dagmar: Neither of which solves the problem of a simple way to parse for that bloody password anyway. Generating a temporary options/defaults file and destroying it is no big shakes
[09:47:59] Dagmar: But I mean, it really shouldn't take authentication to just ping the thing
[09:48:13] Dagmar: s/authentication/credentials/;
[09:48:53] Dagmar: What's the possible other result state that there could be? "Well, *something* that talked like MySQLd answered and told us no."
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[10:07:54] hashbang: Dagmar: can't you put the password in $HOME/.my.cnf ?
[10:09:48] hashbang: yup, that works
[10:09:56] hashbang: [client]
[10:09:57] hashbang: user=root
[10:10:05] hashbang: password=pAs5w0rD
[10:10:16] hashbang: chmod 600 it, obv.
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[10:32:32] awilkins: Gaaah.. why has DVB-T stopped working completely somewhere between 10095 and 10356
[10:32:55] awilkins: Anyone else had that? It just sits there, not locking a channel?
[10:34:02] Dagmar: hashbang: In this particular case, the password and username necessary are already in mysql.txt, and like I said, I'm already populating an options file. The fact is that for what the ping command does with mysqladmin, it should NOT need credentials.
[10:35:04] hashbang: Dagmar: if all you want is whether the service is listening, just use nmap to scan 3306/tcp or look for the socket... ;-)
[10:41:38] Dagmar: Oh yay ANOTHER dependency for a simple package
[10:41:41] Dagmar: No thanks.
[10:41:57] Dagmar: frankly I'd rather use /dev/tcp for something that primitive anyway
[10:42:10] Dagmar: I just think the way mysqladmin handles that one is rather dim
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[10:42:38] Dagmar: Oh bugger I just realized I've got one more bug left.
[10:45:38] Dagmar: Maybe the thing can finish building the binary package this time before I think of anything else I've overlooked.
[10:46:22] Dagmar: I am totally postponing the last major rewrite of these scripts so that they will write what their beef is to the syslog.
[10:47:29] Dagmar: On an unrelated, but much more interesting note, I think GoogleBot has lost it's mind.
[10:47:39] Dagmar: It's asking my web server for GET /auto/mobile/TN/Nashville.html?feature=zoomradar
[10:47:57] Dagmar: Why they think I'd be running a weather radar server I have no idea at all.
[10:49:00] Dagmar: The number of documents that thing can even hand out I can count on my fingers.
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[11:18:04] Daboone72: out of curiosity what do people use as their on screen display theme?
[11:18:24] Zider: there's themes for that..?
[11:18:31] Daboone72: yes it took me a while to figure out
[11:18:43] Daboone72: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Themes
[11:19:17] Daboone72: Gray, SimpleGray, MythTVCentre, lsthmus
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[11:19:54] Zider: oki
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[11:42:00] Hoxzer_: http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/6470/tarar . . . 9copy1vo.jpg <-ident this girl plz
[11:42:36] Zider: too ugly to ID.. ;)
[11:42:41] Zider: nah, never seen before
[11:43:57] ** Juski suspects it's not work safe, so doesn't look **
[11:44:16] Zider: it' safe
[11:44:22] Zider: she's dressed in bikini
[11:46:06] Dagmar: The *name* of the image leads me to believe it's probably not Tara Reid
[11:46:21] Dagmar: ...but she might be
[11:46:37] janneg: awilkins: just missed you here
[11:46:51] janneg: my pci dvb-t cards work fine
[11:47:06] Zider: Dagmar: heh, guess he/we should've looked closer at the filename ;D
[11:49:17] janneg: awilkins: the new or the old model? ie with saa7146 or cx2388?
[11:49:46] awilkins: It's the cx2388 modewl
[11:51:18] janneg: ok. have you checked your reception?
[11:52:43] awilkins: Yup, it's streaming MPEG to disk just fine using tzap and cat
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[11:55:13] janneg: please paste a backend log with -v record,channel,siparser and a tuning attempt
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[11:58:21] awilkins: janneg: http://pastebin.ca/75646
[12:00:07] Juski: omfg.. why? http://markscustomkits.com/Interior-Products.htm
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[12:03:51] laga: Juski: yay. time to pimp your seat!
[12:04:40] awilkins: There's a part of me that is actually delighted by that page
[12:05:17] janneg: awilkins: have you tried switching channels? the starting channel has some invalid entries in dtv_multiplex.
[12:05:49] janneg: rescanning them might also worth a try
[12:06:05] laga: awilkins: i wonder if that steering wheel is street legal
[12:06:11] awilkins: Hmm.. I did a rescan after installing the new version ; I've tried switching channels several times. I'll try tuning one of the new channels that the rescan picked up
[12:07:48] Juski: oh god. my ubuntu box has been building mysql for nearly 4 hours now
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[12:08:13] awilkins: ... and now I'll try a full empty-and-rescan
[12:08:58] janneg: Juski: Thu Jun 8 19:29:06 2006 >>> dev-db/mysql-4.1.20 merge time: 15 minutes and 32 seconds.
[12:09:59] Juski: heh
[12:10:22] janneg: awilkins: I doubt it will help, the rescan should be enough. but please try.
[12:10:54] Juski: minimyth has a file or two missing aswell... x failed to build agpgart something or other
[12:11:06] Juski: but at least it managed to build the ocmpiler
[12:11:38] awilkins: janneg: How about emptying dtv-multiplex ; deleting the channels doesn't seem to empty it
[12:12:04] ** awilkins is very glad he backed up before doing this **
[12:13:25] awilkins: Getting similar warnings in the mythtv-setup console output on scanning ;
[12:14:01] awilkins: "Invalid qam/transmission mode /etc"
[12:14:47] janneg: yes, deleting transponders in transport editor deletes dtv_multiplex
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[12:21:49] awilkins: janneg: Trashed them by hand with SQL... the scan now doesn't choke up all the warnings but I'm still getting warnings in the backend log ; and more importn
[12:21:57] awilkins: still doesn't work :-(
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[13:06:07] Daboone72: I wonder if anyone is working on a home automation module for mythtv that would be cool.
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[13:07:28] Daboone72: damm someone's already thought of it http://www.hackmyth.com/ :-)
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[13:16:57] Juski: shameless plug?
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[13:24:25] D-side: heh
[13:25:45] Juski: someone already thought of it anyway – it's called Plutohome
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[13:31:13] Krazylegz: So, did anyone ever really tackle the task of MythTV supporting PostgreSQL?
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[13:44:33] Nem^: Chaps .. anyone know why my menus are slow to update in mythfrontend .. takes almost 2 seconds before the screen updates
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[13:44:57] Nem^: I'm using Titvilus theme in case thats significant
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[13:51:37] Merlin83b: Nem^: What hardware do you have?
[13:52:20] Nem^: Semipron 2600
[13:52:30] Nem^: Geforce GTS Nvid GFX card
[13:52:45] Nem^: Im using the qt painter
[13:53:00] Merlin83b: Have you tried the OpenGL painter?
[13:53:38] Nem^: I havent got the Nvidea drinvers install .. was trying to avoid that TBH .. so no OpenGL in the standard drivers AFAIK
[13:53:51] Merlin83b: You really need to install the drivers for your card.
[13:54:45] Nem^: I could understand that if TV playback was bad (its okay BTW) .. but for the menuing system is it really necessary
[13:55:14] Merlin83b: I'd say yes, espeically since you're having trouble without it. Why don't you want to install your driver?
[13:55:40] Nem^: Bad experience with Nvidia closed source drivers before
[13:55:50] Nem^: random lockups etc
[13:56:05] Nem^: was a few years ago now mind :-)
[13:56:09] Merlin83b: Lots of people use them with lots of success.
[13:56:25] Merlin83b: I don't have a nVidia card in my myth system so no first hand experience.
[13:56:46] Nem^: how responsive would you say your menus were ?
[13:56:53] Nem^: sorry *are
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[13:57:19] Merlin83b: When I press up/down or whatever it moves immediately, baiscally.
[13:57:34] Nem^: and thats with the OPenGL painter ?
[13:57:41] Merlin83b: I use the Qt painter.
[13:57:56] Nem^: weird
[13:58:14] Nem^: okay Merlin83b thanks for the help
[13:58:20] Merlin83b: But I do have the drivers for my video card installed :-)
[13:58:36] Nem^: hehe
[13:58:50] Nem^: I would be supprised if thats it .. but thanks anyway
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[14:09:44] bjohnson_: how do I get around dst_probe: unknown device. I have a bttv based tuner plus the Twinhan 1020A DVBS I'm trying again to get working
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[14:29:11] power1: does any1 here know if knoppmyth works automatically with sound blaster audigy.....I have just bought one and knoppmyth does not pick it up.
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[14:35:00] lesshaste: how do people cope with mpeg2 auto-aspect switching when reencoding recorded TV ?
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[14:58:59] LoneShadow: any mythtv developers here ?
[14:59:34] stuarta: depends on your definition of "here"
[15:00:05] LoneShadow: well I am trying to understand how the backend sends video to the frontend
[15:00:45] LoneShadow: its more of a config question, so thought will ask someone in here before bothering ppl in #mythtv
[15:00:48] stuarta: streams it.
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[15:01:19] stuarta: if it's a config question just ask it.
[15:01:34] LoneShadow: while streaming it, does it depend on the permissions for the frontend ip-address ?
[15:02:00] LoneShadow: http://pastebin.ca/75508
[15:02:04] LoneShadow: I get this error
[15:02:23] LoneShadow: its creating the mpeg file, but fails to stream it
[15:04:06] qu0zl: what are the permissions for /var/video/ and what's the backend running as
[15:04:14] qu0zl: at a random guess it might have failed to create that file
[15:04:38] LoneShadow: I did create the file, I copied it to frontend and played the video using mplayer
[15:04:52] LoneShadow: I tried running backend as user mythtv as well as root
[15:04:56] LoneShadow: same problem both times
[15:05:23] qu0zl: so what are the permissions on the directory?
[15:05:48] LoneShadow: drwxrwxrwx 16 root root 4096 Jun 27 11:03 ..
[15:05:48] LoneShadow: drwxrwxrwx 2 root 114 92 Jun 30 04:20 .
[15:06:00] LoneShadow: should the dir group be changed ?
[15:06:33] qu0zl: that dir should be owned by mythtv, but if you're running as root with those permissions it shouldn't matter tbh
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[15:06:43] qu0zl: no idea why it can't read the file
[15:06:51] LoneShadow: 114, hmm
[15:07:14] qu0zl: the group is wrong but it won't matter to a process running as root
[15:07:32] LoneShadow: 114 used to be admin
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[15:07:43] LoneShadow: changed it back to 114
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[15:08:37] LoneShadow: so if it creates the file
[15:08:52] LoneShadow: I think it created the file as mythtv user and mythtv group
[15:09:00] qu0zl: i doubt it's a file permission problem. you said you've run it as root
[15:09:28] qu0zl: the mythtv user cannot hide anything from root
[15:10:03] LoneShadow: rw-r-r were the permissions for the file it created
[15:10:43] LoneShadow: logged in as mythtv, I could do "cat /dev/video0 > /var/video/test1.mpg"
[15:10:48] LoneShadow: and this creates the files as well
[15:11:16] LoneShadow: #
[15:11:16] LoneShadow: 2006-06–29 19:53:19.661 adding: msntv as a remote file transfer
[15:11:16] LoneShadow: #
[15:11:16] LoneShadow: 2006-06–29 19:53:19.662 RingBuf(/var/video/1002_20060629195319.mpg): Invalid file (fd 20) when opening '/var/video/1002_20060629195319.mpg'. 12 retries remaining.
[15:11:25] LoneShadow: so msntv is hostname for my frontend
[15:11:38] Beirdo: goddammit!
[15:11:54] LoneShadow: its adding that host for file txr, but fails to open the file
[15:11:58] stuarta: uh oh, Beirdo's upset
[15:12:08] Beirdo: I think the video card in my Windows box died during shipping
[15:12:09] LoneShadow: ?
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[15:12:25] Beirdo: only PCI-E card I have too, the fan won't spin, and I think it cooked itsed
[15:12:28] stuarta: Beirdo: is there anything they didn't kill?
[15:12:29] Beirdo: itself rather
[15:12:46] Beirdo: the other computers mostly were fine
[15:13:03] Beirdo: except the two they destroyed
[15:13:09] stuarta: did it work at all before it died...
[15:13:14] Beirdo: yes
[15:13:22] Beirdo: that was an X600 card that died too
[15:13:31] stuarta: ouch, fried GPU :(
[15:13:44] Beirdo: yeah, it seems so, the GPU fan won't spin
[15:13:54] LoneShadow: Is there a way to turn on more debugs for the backend ?
[15:15:16] stuarta: LoneShadow: --verbose all
[15:15:35] LoneShadow: thanks, will give it a try now :)
[15:15:37] Beirdo: stuarta, this one to be exact: http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp . . . mp;class=vga
[15:15:38] stuarta: or substitute all with specific debug areas
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[15:15:51] LoneShadow: how do I stop the mythbackend ?
[15:15:59] LoneShadow: didnt find any start/stop scripts
[15:16:09] stuarta: unix 101
[15:16:19] LoneShadow: kill -9 ?
[15:16:40] stuarta: normal kill should work.
[15:17:02] LoneShadow: I was hoping a graceful shutdown option was there :P
[15:17:04] stuarta: Beirdo: nice, I'll put it in the pile with my 9800XT pro
[15:17:20] Beirdo: heh
[15:17:23] stuarta: kill is graceful, kill -9 is rude
[15:17:42] Beirdo: now I gotta spend more f$#@$#ing money, my wife will be so pleased
[15:19:21] stuarta: how goes the job hunting?
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[15:19:48] Beirdo: heh, not looking yet, still need to do paperwork
[15:20:40] Beirdo: a GeForce 7300 is reasonable?
[15:21:12] stuarta: dunno, don't use any nvidia stuff
[15:21:22] Beirdo: heh
[15:21:35] Beirdo: for my gaming box, I really liked this (now dead) card
[15:21:40] Beirdo: bah!
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[15:21:56] stuarta: just when you have lots of time to spend on games too....
[15:22:17] Beirdo: yeah
[15:22:21] Beirdo: sigh
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[15:24:07] bjohnson_: anyone feel like helping be figure out what fedora did to the dvb drivers this time?
[15:24:32] bjohnson_: can't get my dst frontend to be recocnized on my twinhan 1020A DVBS
[15:24:51] stuarta: kernel update?
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[15:26:02] bjohnson_: yeah .. my first attempt after upgrading to fc5 from fc4 .. now it won't work
[15:26:19] bjohnson_: dst_probe: unknown device.
[15:26:49] stuarta: i'd do a search on the linuxdvb archives
[15:28:01] bjohnson_: I wonder why distros have such a hard time with dvb hardware
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[15:33:14] scottder: hey all. I am trying set up xine as my ISO player in MythVideo, (xine --no-splash -pfhq dvd://%s) but it keeps using the default, what am I doing wrong here?
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[15:44:58] LoneShadow: int ret = read(fd2, buf, kReadTestSize);
[15:44:59] LoneShadow: if (ret != (int)kReadTestSize)
[15:45:07] LoneShadow: its in failing in this check
[15:45:29] LoneShadow: in RingBuffer::OpenFile()
[15:45:42] stuarta: with what error? (ret=???)
[15:46:02] LoneShadow: they dont print it :D
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[15:46:20] LoneShadow: does read return valid -err values ?
[15:46:49] stuarta: kinda fundamental that it does...
[15:48:11] LoneShadow: I guess I could rebuild that library with those debug prints
[15:49:00] LoneShadow: its trying to read 20 bytes
[15:49:32] LoneShadow: to a char array of 20 bytes
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[16:13:46] wswanson_: chutt
[16:14:02] wswanson_: oops, was in my queue from another window. disregard
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[16:37:51] lesshaste: how do people cope with mpeg2 auto-aspect switching when reencoding recorded TV ?
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[16:42:26] lesshaste: freeview aspect switches
[16:42:32] lesshaste: has anyone else noticed this?
[16:42:58] mchou: damn! such a good deal, yet so lame
[16:43:11] mchou: $59 for a 1200VA UPS
[16:43:53] mchou: dumbass belkin UPS doesnt know how to do a soft power off though.
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[17:20:58] jharrisonwk: do the pvr tuner cards support hdtv?
[17:21:34] xris: no
[17:21:42] xris: assuming that you mean the hauppauge ones...
[17:21:50] xris: since most tuner cards these days are intended for pvr use.
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[17:22:54] jharrisonwk: yes I am looking at building a mythtv box
[17:23:01] jharrisonwk: are there any cards that can do hdtv?
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[17:26:01] xris: jharrisonwk: over the air or digital cable?
[17:26:44] jharrisonwk: xris: digital cable
[17:27:57] xris: jharrisonwk: then you just need a firewire card
[17:28:28] xris: all high def cable boxes are mandated by the FCC to have a working firewire port (which you sometimes have to gently remind your cable company about)...
[17:28:52] jharrisonwk: xris: I dont know that we fall under the FCC
[17:28:59] xris: jharrisonwk: where are you?
[17:29:00] jharrisonwk: xris: and my cable box does not have firewire
[17:29:03] jharrisonwk: xris: bahamas
[17:29:05] xris: ahh.
[17:29:16] xris: do you have a high def cable box or just a digital cable box?
[17:29:39] jharrisonwk: well the cable company claims the box can do high def
[17:29:50] jharrisonwk: but I do not have a high def tv so I dont know for sure
[17:29:57] jharrisonwk: I will have a high def tv next week though
[17:30:02] xris: does the box have dvi / hdmi / component plugs on it?
[17:30:07] jharrisonwk: no
[17:30:12] xris: then it can't do hd
[17:30:19] jharrisonwk: it has composite and RF out
[17:30:26] xris: no hd
[17:31:32] xris: anyway, if you can't get an hd cable box, it's unlikely that there is any hd content from your provider...
[17:31:50] jharrisonwk: xris: they have hd channels
[17:31:50] xris: as for cards, you'd have to find out if you're using dvb-c (most of the world) or qam (US)
[17:31:59] jharrisonwk: xris: its in the channel guides anyways
[17:32:34] xris: then you should call them and get a box capable of hd output
[17:33:08] jharrisonwk: xris: the box they offer is $1000 US
[17:33:16] xris: no monthly rental fee?
[17:33:21] jharrisonwk: xris: thats where the mythtv box comes in
[17:33:26] jharrisonwk: xris: not that i know of
[17:33:49] xris: do you know if your signal is dvb or not?
[17:33:56] jharrisonwk: not sure
[17:33:59] jharrisonwk: I can find out though
[17:33:59] xris: the problem with digital cable is that it's usually encrypted
[17:34:05] mchou: xris: remember what we discussed yesterday regarding the VA laptop?
[17:34:09] jharrisonwk: I work with the cable company
[17:34:09] xris: mchou: yes
[17:34:19] jharrisonwk: so I can go downstairs and ask in the head end
[17:34:28] jharrisonwk: xris: our cable is encrypted
[17:34:43] jharrisonwk: xris: at least thats what the guys in the head end tell me
[17:34:45] mchou: xris: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5523751
[17:34:51] xris: jharrisonwk: then there's no way you can do that unless it's dvb-c and the cable company will license you to use a smartcard.
[17:34:51] jharrisonwk: xris: but I have not tried to find out myself
[17:34:59] jharrisonwk: xris: although I have no reason not to believe them
[17:35:11] xris: mchou: new story, or hte same one?
[17:35:14] mchou: xris: a computer forensic expert debunked the FBI clam in that episode
[17:35:18] xris: hahahaha
[17:35:40] mchou: xris: course we knew it all along :)
[17:35:44] xris: yes
[17:35:49] jharrisonwk: xris: so there would be no way to do hdtv without a box?
[17:35:59] jharrisonwk: hhmmm
[17:36:13] xris: jharrisonwk: generally speaking, no... if you were under fcc mandate, then maybe
[17:36:23] mchou: jharrisonwk: I told ya to move off sa island mon
[17:37:01] jharrisonwk: if I had to get a hdtv box that would mean I would not need a mythtv box
[17:37:12] xris: jharrisonwk: they only offer a dvr box?
[17:37:24] jharrisonwk: mchou: the cable company locks you down good here
[17:37:31] mchou: jharrisonwk: heh
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[17:37:57] jharrisonwk: xris: they offer a basic box with RF and composite RCA connectors for $150 US
[17:38:03] mchou: jharrisonwk: can you say: I'm bending over and pruckering up? :)
[17:38:18] jharrisonwk: xris: and then they offer a dvr with every connection you could want blah blah blah for $1000 US
[17:38:28] jharrisonwk: mchou: I could but I dont want to
[17:38:35] mchou: jharrisonwk: lol
[17:38:51] jharrisonwk: so basically I could build a mythtv box but not to do hdtv
[17:38:57] mchou: jharrisonwk: I thought you worked for the cable provider?
[17:39:00] jharrisonwk: unless they licensed me a smart card or something
[17:39:09] jharrisonwk: mchou: I work with them but not for them
[17:39:12] mchou: jharrisonwk: it's easy you know.....
[17:39:21] jharrisonwk: mchou: whats easy?
[17:39:25] mchou: jharrisonwk: go into competition against them
[17:39:33] jharrisonwk: mchou: they have a monopoly
[17:39:41] mchou: buy some satellite dishes and get started
[17:39:43] xris: jharrisonwk: then you're pretty much SOL... it would almost be cheaper for you to go for satellite
[17:39:57] jharrisonwk: xris: but then I need internet
[17:40:04] jharrisonwk: and I am not using DSL
[17:40:18] jharrisonwk: mchou: arent sat dish signals encrypted too?
[17:40:34] mchou: jharrisonwk: not once you decode them :)
[17:40:48] jharrisonwk: mchou: and how do you decode them?
[17:40:59] mchou: jharrisonwk: STB
[17:41:31] jharrisonwk: right but if I built a mythtv box for sat dishes and I cannot decrypt the signal etc... I am in the same mess as I am in now
[17:41:34] jharrisonwk: right?
[17:41:56] mchou: jharrisonwk: huh??
[17:42:07] xris: jharrisonwk: c-band
[17:42:12] jharrisonwk: c-band?
[17:42:21] jharrisonwk: what is c-band?
[17:42:33] mchou: jharrisonwk: all I'm saying is that if cableco "requires" $1000 STB you'd be better off with Satellite
[17:42:34] xris: the 2m dishes... you pay the fees directly to the provider, they give you the decryption codes.
[17:42:42] jharrisonwk: mchou: oh I see
[17:42:50] jharrisonwk: mchou: but I want to build mythtv box
[17:43:01] jharrisonwk: mchou: screw normal set top boxes
[17:43:10] mchou: jharrisonwk: getting sat doesnt prevent that in any way :)
[17:43:10] jharrisonwk: linux + mythtv is the way to go
[17:43:24] jharrisonwk: ah
[17:43:27] mchou: jharrisonwk: I beg to differ.
[17:43:30] D-side: sounds more like linux + mythtv + STB is the way to go.
[17:43:35] jharrisonwk: hehe
[17:43:40] D-side: not that i've got a vested interest in this discussion though.
[17:43:47] jharrisonwk: where do you put the decryption codes?
[17:43:47] mchou: linux + mythtv + cheap stb is the way to go :)
[17:43:59] jharrisonwk: mchou: but cheap stb without hdtv sucks
[17:44:05] jharrisonwk: or without firewire
[17:44:05] xris: jharrisonwk: depends on the satellite service
[17:44:14] jharrisonwk: xris: we have no sat service here
[17:44:18] D-side: i'm stuck with cable, what do i know? :)
[17:44:19] jharrisonwk: xris: not any legal service anyways
[17:44:20] jharrisonwk: ;)
[17:44:23] mchou: jharrisonwk: huh???
[17:44:26] xris: jharrisonwk: c-band is international
[17:44:44] jharrisonwk: you talking big dishes?
[17:44:47] xris: it's "providerless" — you pay the network directly
[17:44:49] mchou: jharrisonwk: nobody can prevent you from erecting a Satellite dish
[17:44:50] xris: jharrisonwk: yes. 2m dish
[17:44:55] jharrisonwk: oh
[17:45:19] mchou: jharrisonwk: unless you live in a repressive government like China
[17:45:19] jharrisonwk: ok well dish network/direct tv is what I thought you meant
[17:45:30] mchou: jharrisonwk: nope
[17:45:30] jharrisonwk: but there is no legal service for those here
[17:45:35] jharrisonwk: only illegal service
[17:45:36] xris: there are also 75cm dishes that get a lot of unencrypted content (so do the 2m ones, btw) and there are also a few channels for the 18" dishes used by dishnetwork (directv doesn't use dvb)
[17:45:56] xris: jharrisonwk: plenty of legal.. there's lots of free-to-air stuff on satellite networks
[17:46:01] D-side: mchou: eh thats not always true. apartment complexes and such.
[17:46:15] jharrisonwk: xris: so I put up a sat dish and start my own cable company?
[17:46:16] xris: D-side: depending on what side of the building your window is on
[17:46:25] D-side: xris: lots of them here dont allow it at all.
[17:46:25] xris: jharrisonwk: with a 2m dish you could do that, yes.
[17:46:35] mchou: D-side: no, I meant buying a plot of land and erecting a dish farm :)
[17:46:35] xris: D-side: they can't stop you from putting one in your window
[17:46:39] jharrisonwk: well I dont have the money for that anyways
[17:46:48] jharrisonwk: and to have to run cable lines etc...
[17:46:53] xris: jharrisonwk: sounds like you're kind of screwed
[17:46:57] jharrisonwk: wireless would be better
[17:47:06] jharrisonwk: I was thinking of building boxes to sell too
[17:47:13] mchou: jharrisonwk: lol
[17:47:14] D-side: xris: inside the window, sure. there've been cases of people threatened with eviction for mounting one to their balcony or window ledge outside.
[17:47:14] jharrisonwk: well im not screwed if I dont care about httv
[17:47:18] jharrisonwk: hdtv
[17:47:21] D-side: its a crock of shit surely, but it happens.
[17:47:34] xris: D-side: mounting, yes... can't stop you if you don't attach it to the bldg, though
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[17:47:44] mchou: D-side: then I'd go to court :)
[17:47:47] xris: you can talk to kormoc sometime about his last landlord
[17:47:52] D-side: heh
[17:48:06] jharrisonwk: here you could prop your disk agains the wall
[17:48:08] mchou: D-side: and sue the landlord's ass off (triple damages)
[17:48:14] jharrisonwk: nothing illegal about that
[17:48:28] D-side: mchou: recently its in the lease.
[17:48:29] xris: jharrisonwk: yes. you might also see if you can buy the motorola dtc-6200 boxes on ebay or something.. and just tell your cable provider that you bought your own box and get them to enable it.
[17:48:33] jharrisonwk: its just if you loose it in a hurricane no one will care
[17:48:34] jharrisonwk: :-P
[17:48:34] D-side: you have to sign off on it.
[17:48:34] xris: assuming they'd allow that kind of thing
[17:48:50] jharrisonwk: xris: dont know if they would or not
[17:48:53] mchou: D-side: an illegal contract is as good a NO contract
[17:48:55] jharrisonwk: xris: I can find out though
[17:48:55] D-side: cablevision doesnt let you bring your own hardware. i thought about doing that.
[17:49:00] xris: jharrisonwk: might be worth finding out
[17:49:01] D-side: mchou: nothing illegal about it though.
[17:49:05] xris: D-side: he's in the bahamas, though
[17:49:06] jharrisonwk: xris: they use the motorola boxes already
[17:49:06] D-side: its their building.
[17:49:10] D-side: xris: oof. nevermind.
[17:49:22] mchou: D-side: sure it is
[17:49:37] jharrisonwk: before on the analog boxes they would allow you to get your own
[17:49:38] xris: jharrisonwk: you're probably just going to have to ask around... especially if you work with them
[17:49:39] mchou: D-side: it's their building but you are paying the rent
[17:49:47] jharrisonwk: they just would not replace it if it was damaged
[17:50:01] jharrisonwk: xris: yes
[17:50:05] D-side: mchou: that doesnt give you carte blanche to do as you want though.
[17:50:11] mchou: D-side: which means it's the renter's property as long as the renter is paying rent
[17:50:19] xris: jharrisonwk: wait. you buy the box for $1k and they will still replace it if it breaks?
[17:50:22] jharrisonwk: this looks good
[17:50:25] jharrisonwk: http://www.pchdtv.com/
[17:50:25] D-side: you and i have different interpretations i see.
[17:50:31] jharrisonwk: xris: yes
[17:50:35] xris: jharrisonwk: only works if you have the US signal
[17:50:44] jharrisonwk: xris: oh ok
[17:51:02] D-side: xris: still have a pundit?
[17:51:03] xris: go find out if you have dvb or atsc/qam
[17:51:06] xris: D-side: yeah
[17:51:13] xris: though I switched to a pci nvidia card for tv out
[17:51:14] jharrisonwk: ok brb
[17:51:30] D-side: i want an hdtv card but i've got a pair of 250s, and a 500 wont fit.
[17:51:39] mchou: D-side: it gives you the right to make any non-permanent & non-destructive modifications to the property
[17:51:41] xris: huh? thought it did
[17:51:50] D-side: i wish any of the USB hdtv tuners worked.
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[17:52:17] D-side: xris: the 250s barely fit with the HSF and duct.
[17:52:18] xris: D-side: firewire
[17:52:26] scales: doesn anyones mythweather work correctly? mine constantly give me the wrong forcast, meaning it is days off....
[17:52:40] D-side: xris: i wish that were an option with my provider. how's that support in mythtv anyway?
[17:52:50] xris: D-side: huh? you're in the US. they have to.
[17:52:51] mchou: D-side: xris is correct. Firewire is the way to go
[17:52:53] D-side: last i looked (18.1 days) it was somewhat supported.
[17:53:01] jharrisonwk: I have to try in a bit
[17:53:02] xris: D-side: it works great for me.
[17:53:06] D-side: xris: oh thats right, whatshisname here was fighting with comcast about it
[17:53:07] jharrisonwk: no one is in the head end right now
[17:53:07] mchou: D-side: what do you mean somewhat??
[17:53:25] xris: couple of missed channel changes in the last few months, but no worse than ir blaster with dish.
[17:53:32] D-side: mchou: i think it was then limited to one type of box, and it was more a limitation of the provider than mythtv
[17:53:33] mchou: D-side: who is whatshisname??
[17:53:47] D-side: fairwitness or something
[17:53:51] jharrisonwk: if you have firewire you dont need any tuner card right?
[17:53:54] D-side: he lived right down the road from where i work.
[17:53:57] xris: D-side: comcast here is fine... what issues are happening out there?
[17:54:01] xris: jharrisonwk: cprrect
[17:54:07] mchou: D-side: who is your cableco?
[17:54:11] D-side: xris: i think my memory on the subject is faulty.
[17:54:11] jharrisonwk: just in firewire and out whatever connection you got and thats it right?
[17:54:13] D-side: i've got cablevision.
[17:54:27] D-side: are ALL channels output via firewire on your box? or is it just the hd channels?
[17:54:27] xris: D-side: oh, you said comcast so I got confused.
[17:54:29] jharrisonwk: but then how to you change channels?
[17:54:30] mchou: D-side: sue their asses off.
[17:54:42] D-side: xris: yeah it was fairwitness who had comcast and a nonworking firewire port on his box.
[17:54:44] mchou: D-side: complain to FCC first
[17:54:45] jharrisonwk: on the box?
[17:54:50] xris: D-side: legal grey area. for me it's all... legally, I think they're only required to provide 480p versions of the OTA ones
[17:54:55] jharrisonwk: stb I mean
[17:54:57] D-side: ah okay.
[17:55:11] xris: jharrisonwk: motorola 6200 can do it over the firewire connection. other boxes you'll need an ir blaster.
[17:55:14] D-side: i dont have an hdtv monitor so i dont know if its really worth it
[17:55:17] mchou: D-side: there are always corner cases
[17:55:26] xris: D-side: I love having the digital SD stuff, personallyu
[17:55:27] D-side: i'd watch it on the PC though.
[17:55:30] jharrisonwk: xris: you can get the ir blaster without a tuner card?
[17:55:32] xris: hd is nice, but I don't have hdtv, either
[17:55:35] jharrisonwk: xris: any recommendations?
[17:55:40] xris: jharrisonwk: has nothing to do with a tuner card.... irblaster.info
[17:55:41] mchou: D-side: I'm more likely to believe fairwitness had "user error"
[17:55:47] jharrisonwk: xris: thanks
[17:55:47] D-side: xris: crisper picture even on an SDTV?
[17:55:56] D-side: it'd have to be.
[17:56:03] xris: D-side: of course... no digital -> analog -> digital -> analog going on
[17:56:06] D-side: as opposed to analog cable, it MUST.
[17:56:22] jharrisonwk: xris: but the 6200 can do it through the firewire?
[17:56:35] xris: jharrisonwk: yes
[17:56:42] xris: works 99% of the time
[17:56:44] jharrisonwk: xris: so I would just get a remote control for the mythtv box?
[17:56:48] xris: yup
[17:56:51] jharrisonwk: 99% of the time?
[17:56:53] D-side: xris: i wonder about that 1%
[17:57:01] jharrisonwk: where does the other 1% go?
[17:57:15] mchou: jharrisonwk: it goes to la la land
[17:57:24] jharrisonwk: I dont like lala land
[17:57:39] jharrisonwk: when things go to lala land nothing works right
[17:57:50] xris: jharrisonwk: records the wrong channel
[17:57:51] mchou: jharrisonwk: either bad firmware or bad firewire stack
[17:57:59] mchou: more likely bad firmware
[17:58:06] D-side: if this worked with all channels i'd ditch the 250s in an instant.
[17:58:22] mchou: D-side: I've long ditched my 150s
[17:58:23] xris: D-side: worth $10 for a month to try it
[17:58:32] jharrisonwk: xris: thats if you get a bad unit though right?
[17:58:36] xris: yeah, my 150 is sitting on a shelf somewhere.
[17:58:59] D-side: mchou: for what? firewire?
[17:58:59] mchou: D-side: difference is night and day
[17:59:04] D-side: man.
[17:59:04] xris: jharrisonwk: no... meaning that 2 recordings in the last 2–3 months were recorded on the wrong channel. no idea why, it just happens. I notice and rerecord
[17:59:05] mchou: D-side: yup
[17:59:07] D-side: stop it.
[17:59:12] D-side: actually.
[17:59:22] jharrisonwk: xris: ah I see
[17:59:26] mchou: D-side: stop what?
[17:59:26] D-side: screw it i'm calling them when i get home.
[17:59:30] xris: lol
[17:59:32] D-side: mchou: putting these ideas in my head.
[17:59:34] jharrisonwk: xris: so what happens if you miss that new 24 episode?
[17:59:34] D-side: too late now though.
[17:59:43] jharrisonwk: xris: you're screwed?
[17:59:45] mchou: D-side: you shoulda done it long ago
[17:59:58] scales: i had the same recording issue with my card, first time i scheduled a recording
[17:59:59] D-side: is BSG is on the UniversalHD channel as i suspect it is, woo.
[18:00:11] mchou: D-side: I retired 5 pvr 150s for two firewires :)
[18:00:24] xris: jharrisonwk: pretty much. has only happened on one show/channel, though. might just be that combination.
[18:00:25] scales: jeesh i just got my 150
[18:00:35] xris: D-side: ??
[18:00:35] jharrisonwk: true
[18:00:42] mchou: scales: should have bought from me :)
[18:00:42] D-side: xris: hm?
[18:00:47] D-side: battlestar galactica
[18:00:52] xris: yes. universalhd?
[18:00:58] jharrisonwk: can mythtv burn to dvd?
[18:01:05] D-side: shame you can't do more than one channel concurrently over firewire. or can you.
[18:01:15] xris: jharrisonwk: there's a plugin being developed for the next version
[18:01:16] D-side: xris: its an hd channel available to me with my provider.
[18:01:23] mchou: D-side: sure you can. multiple STBs
[18:01:26] jharrisonwk: D-side: I would think not if the stb still has to be tuned into a channel at a time
[18:01:37] D-side: mchou: yeah i'm sorry i shhould have specified. one stb i meant.
[18:01:38] xris: D-side: nice
[18:01:42] jharrisonwk: mchou: ah that is your answer for everything isnt it
[18:01:46] scales: oh well. windows media center is pretty decent, any of you try it? i am thinking about using it over myth, since myth definately has bugs
[18:01:50] D-side: jharrisonwk: it makes the most sense.
[18:01:54] jharrisonwk: yes it does
[18:02:03] D-side: MCE is a piece of shit compared to mythtv.
[18:02:08] D-side: thats my honest to God opinion.
[18:02:09] jharrisonwk: mchou: would you need multiple firewire ports though?
[18:02:15] dtm: scales: you can't be serious.
[18:02:19] mchou: scales: lol. MCE has MORE bugs than myth
[18:02:23] scales: dside: why not
[18:02:28] xris: scales: mce has a ton of bugs, too... new version is supposedly ok, but most mythtv people tend to hate it because of lack of features/control.
[18:02:31] mchou: scales: stop joking around
[18:03:14] mchou: scales: you've clearely never checked out the horrid firewire stack in windows
[18:03:24] ** xris is afk for awhile **
[18:03:43] xris: one big advantage for mythtv: mce doesn't do hd.
[18:03:53] mchou: scales: not to mention the stupid MCE "restrictions"
[18:03:56] scales: hey guys, look, i want to be convinced to keep using myth, but when the weather never gets the right day, myth doesnt always record the show i scheduled, not matter how many times i change the recording quality, 5 minutes of tv still takes up .6 gigs.,,,,,
[18:04:09] scales: i dont have hd
[18:04:26] mchou: scales: we dont have to convince you to use anything
[18:04:39] mchou: scales: sounds like user error to me
[18:04:42] jharrisonwk: scales: you could always hack on mythtv and contribute
[18:04:52] jharrisonwk: the joy of open source
[18:04:54] scales: why, i would prefer to use myth. sorry i cant hack i am a newb
[18:05:05] kormoc: is your date/time set right? are you using ntp? did you check the logs for why it didn't record the show you scheduled? was it actaully scheduled? did you change the recording quality of the profile you are using to record?
[18:05:05] mchou: scales: lol
[18:05:08] scales: i love xine
[18:05:11] jharrisonwk: scales: thats an excuse
[18:05:38] jharrisonwk: scales: I am a newb too but with work and talking to these guys and reading I will learn
[18:05:53] jharrisonwk: well I am a new to pvr/dvr mythtv stuff anyawys
[18:06:09] scales: kormoc: you have been here when i constantly ask question, i have searched lots of logs, and yes checked all of those things you mentioned yet there still are bugs
[18:06:25] mchou: scales: go try MCE for a wk and you'll come back crying how you gotta REBOOT :)
[18:06:36] jharrisonwk: hehe
[18:06:50] kormoc: sure, bugs exist no matter what. if you don't want to deal with it, then sure, mce would suit you better
[18:06:50] Beirdo: scales: all software has bugs, live with it
[18:06:53] jharrisonwk: ok time to see if head end guy is back yet
[18:06:54] jharrisonwk: brb
[18:07:23] scales: the weather is ridiculous, it sometimes works, sometimes not. i go into it, it loads, then i flip to tv for a few, come back and thw weather is different and goofed up. say today is friday, it will show a forcast for monday tues and wed
[18:07:35] mchou: myth has bugs, but not to the point of annoyance as MCE
[18:08:20] mchou: scales: so you dont like the weather module. improve it
[18:08:34] D-side: Works every day for me.
[18:08:36] D-side: pebcak.
[18:08:37] scales: well i still would prefer myth. i do like all the features it offers. i just wish things worked better. i just put my pvr 150 in today, havent had time to install stuff though
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[18:08:45] mchou: to castigate all of myth for the weather module is ridiculous
[18:08:46] D-side: things work just fine.
[18:08:56] scales: i love the weather module, i love myth, it just doesnt always work
[18:09:05] D-side: and i'm telling you, user error.
[18:09:05] jharrisonwk: hey if I got a stb with firewire then hdtv would work?
[18:09:10] mchou: scales: pebcak
[18:09:11] D-side: jharrisonwk: maybe.
[18:09:15] jharrisonwk: maybe?
[18:09:27] D-side: yes, maybe. depends on your cable carrier.
[18:09:33] jharrisonwk: they have hd channels
[18:09:41] jharrisonwk: I know they have hd
[18:10:05] mchou: jharrisonwk: pay $1000 and find out :)
[18:10:16] scales: well d-side, tonight i am going to go back, and i am going to wipe it all out and start again. i am going to follow jarods guide, and i will use fc5. and i plan on dual booting mce and fc5. fc5 will be my prefered
[18:10:37] mchou: jharrisonwk: or better yet, find someone there who already subscribes to HD
[18:10:39] jharrisonwk: so I could go cable > stb > mythtv (via firewire) > hdtv (via DVI/HDMI) and I should get hdtv if tuned to a hdtv channel?
[18:10:54] jharrisonwk: mchou: they have hd downstairs
[18:10:55] scales: and since i know that someone uses the microsoft remote, i will have to come back and get a copy of their lirc.conf and lircrc files
[18:11:07] D-side: scales: sounds like a good idea.
[18:11:20] mchou: jharrisonwk: so, go check it out. See if firewire ports work
[18:11:23] D-side: going with something well supported and oft-used is never a bad idea when you're new at something.
[18:11:28] jharrisonwk: mchou: oh
[18:11:37] kormoc: scales, it's on the website
[18:11:38] jharrisonwk: mchou: so the firewire may or may not transport hdtv?
[18:11:46] jharrisonwk: man is there any way that works
[18:11:54] mchou: jharrisonwk: wtf??
[18:12:01] scales: I would really prefer myth because now i have two tuners. and MCE does not support analog tuners, but myth does.
[18:12:02] kormoc: scales, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . mple.mceusb2
[18:12:06] jharrisonwk: mchou: ?
[18:12:06] D-side: why dont you find out, instead of immediately assuming it wont owrk
[18:12:18] mchou: jharrisonwk: you need to make sure the firewire ports are ENABLED
[18:12:29] scales: d-side: were you talking to me?
[18:12:38] scales: thanks kormoc for that site
[18:12:47] jharrisonwk: mchou: on the stb you mean?
[18:12:59] mchou: jharrisonwk: yeah, what did you think?
[18:13:17] jharrisonwk: mchou: I did not realize they could possibly be disabled
[18:13:20] scales: dont get me wrong guys, i definately do like myth, and would prefer it over MCE.
[18:13:24] mchou: jharrisonwk: shit
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[18:13:43] jharrisonwk: mchou: do some cable companies issue stbs with firewire but have the firewire port disabled?
[18:13:51] mchou: jharrisonwk: sure
[18:13:55] jharrisonwk: ouch
[18:13:56] scales: d-side: would you choose ubuntu over fedora for me? a newb?
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[18:14:06] mchou: jharrisonwk: but not anymore in US :)
[18:14:11] jharrisonwk: mchou: even if I got my own stb like xris said?
[18:14:27] liran_: any chance i could get some help with the actual code?
[18:14:37] jharrisonwk: mchou: if I got my own and got the cable company to enable it couldnt I turn it back on if I wanted?
[18:14:42] mchou: jharrisonwk: a STB is nothing but an embedded computing device
[18:14:47] jharrisonwk: mchou: I know
[18:14:56] jharrisonwk: mchou: probably running arm arch or something
[18:15:10] jharrisonwk: mchou: and flash ram
[18:15:12] mchou: jharrisonwk: just like a computer, you need to make sure the "driver" is on and functioning
[18:15:21] scales: another thing. i would like to look into making a theme for myth. anyone know how i would go about doing that? or what kind of skills it would require?
[18:15:38] jharrisonwk: mchou: I see
[18:15:40] mchou: scales: it requires artistic skill
[18:15:46] D-side: scales: you should use whatever's got the best support you need.
[18:15:54] D-side: considering jarod's guide is absolutely excellent, stick with it.
[18:16:16] jharrisonwk: mchou: so whats the point of getting a 6200 motorola unit and asking my cable company to enable it if they will just disable the firewire port
[18:16:36] mchou: jharrisonwk: huh??
[18:16:44] D-side: you like to make assumptions don't you
[18:16:53] kormoc: scales, you should talk with juski about that. he's a very good themer can can likely help
[18:16:57] scales: well i can do the art stuff, i am proficient with photoshop
[18:17:07] jharrisonwk: I think I am confused
[18:17:11] D-side: Have a listen to what I'm going to do. I'm going to call my cable company and say "hey, I want HDTV, but the box you give me better have firewire enabled on it. is it?"
[18:17:22] mchou: D-side: lol
[18:17:28] mchou: D-side: dont do that
[18:17:31] D-side: if they say "yes sir it sure is", then I'll be getting a brand new STB with firewire.
[18:17:31] scales: i like the retro one best, but i dont like how not everyting fits on the screen
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[18:17:44] D-side: mchou: oh no?
[18:18:02] D-side: you prefer the "order it and when it doesn't work, sue" method? :)
[18:18:08] mchou: D-side: I dont understand why ppl get all defensive with the cable co......
[18:18:31] jharrisonwk: do cable companies usually offer more then 2 stbs?
[18:18:37] jharrisonwk: cause we only have 2
[18:18:41] mchou: D-side: just go up to them and say, "I'd like to lease a HDTV STB"
[18:18:56] jharrisonwk: and only 1 of them has firewire or anything else like hdmi etc... and its 1000
[18:19:26] mchou: D-side: then say: "can you please make sure the firewire ports are enabled and functioning?"
[18:19:30] scales: anyone know about making new osd themes? or whatever you see when you flip channels
[18:19:34] D-side: mchou: i'm going to try that.
[18:19:49] D-side: i just realize i'm going to have to escalate three levels before i find someone who knows what firewire is
[18:20:01] jharrisonwk: D-side: that can be good or bad
[18:20:11] D-side: i've never once had a positive experience calling them.
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[18:20:19] jharrisonwk: mythtv works on amd64 right?
[18:20:24] mchou: D-side: if they ask "why" or other stupid questions tell them "I'd like to attache the HD STB to my HDTivo"
[18:20:47] D-side: thats a fair point. i guess firewire use is more widespread now.
[18:20:58] D-side: jharrisonwk: works for for a frontend for me at least.
[18:20:59] jharrisonwk: what about USB?
[18:21:05] D-side: backend is on p4.
[18:21:13] scales: be back in a bit guys
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[18:21:18] mchou: D-side: and if they get "difficult" then you can start getting nasty :)
[18:21:51] D-side: i tend to not get nasty with first level.
[18:21:54] mchou: D-side: only then would you mention FCC for example :)
[18:21:59] D-side: its like kicking your dog when he licks his balls.
[18:22:03] D-side: they just dont know any better.
[18:22:05] jharrisonwk: hehe
[18:22:10] D-side: i get nasty with managers.
[18:22:41] mchou: D-side: when I say "difficult" I'm assuming you're already yakking with a manger
[18:22:46] mchou: manager*
[18:23:26] D-side: yeah. no need to shit on the low level people. their job is tough enough
[18:23:29] mchou: D-side: anyway, you're making a mountain out of a molehill
[18:24:00] mchou: most cablecos, even customer service, know what firewire is these days
[18:25:02] D-side: yeah you're probably right.
[18:25:23] D-side: i'm just so used to rampant incompetence i expect it to be the rule, rather than the exception.
[18:25:26] mchou: D-side: I went to my cable co and asked for a HDTV STB they didnt even bat an eye
[18:25:36] D-side: i work for a phone company. such cynicism is an occupational hazard.
[18:25:49] mchou: D-side: they just said: "Here's the channels you get...."
[18:25:49] D-side: google suggests my cable co has this all under control.
[18:26:55] mchou: D-side: I dont see why you're making such a big deal about $5-$10
[18:27:11] mchou: D-side: even if they are clueless.....
[18:27:41] mchou: D-side: eventually you will find somebody clued in.
[18:27:52] mchou: it's not gonna take 1 month :)
[18:28:06] D-side: no, it sure isnt going to take a month, you've got that right.
[18:28:48] D-side: if theres a problem (and you're right, its a longshot that there would be a problem), i'll call and have it fixed damn fast.
[18:29:03] D-side: i can't call now unfortunately, or i'd have this done with. :)
[18:29:18] mchou: D-side: there is no need to call
[18:29:37] mchou: D-side: just drop by the local cable office on the way back home
[18:29:47] mchou: pick up the STB yourself
[18:30:37] mchou: no need to sit at home 4 hrs waiting for the cable guy to show up
[18:31:02] D-side: no local spots or i would.
[18:31:15] mchou: D-side: bullshit
[18:31:39] D-side: oh really?
[18:31:46] mchou: D-side: yup
[18:32:05] D-side: thank you for informing me. where's the closest center to me?
[18:32:10] mchou: headends dont span infite distances :)
[18:32:18] mchou: infinite*
[18:32:26] D-side: headends aren't always in a position to distribute hardware.
[18:32:50] mchou: lol
[18:32:55] Brains: mchou: Did I hear the you are doing the firewire thing? Which cable box are you using?
[18:32:59] D-side: found that out the hard way when i moved.
[18:33:01] ** Brains is having some instability with his. **
[18:33:07] mchou: but headends have office
[18:33:13] D-side: they used to give out and accept the boxes, but they stopped.
[18:33:16] mchou: Brains: like what?
[18:33:27] D-side: they tried to tell me i had to drive 45min to drop it off. that didnt happen.
[18:33:34] kayelem: D-side, depends on the headend and who you know (says she, having been offered some old analogue cable headend gear...)
[18:33:37] D-side: maybe 45 is an exaggeration. 20 at least.
[18:34:11] mchou: D-side: you complain about driving for 20 min?
[18:34:16] mchou: D-side: wtf
[18:34:22] jharrisonwk: they have a 6200 and a 6412 downstairs
[18:34:28] D-side: hm. theres one open tomorrow i can get to.
[18:34:34] mchou: it take me 20 min to drive to the corner store
[18:34:36] jharrisonwk: they are talking about offering the 6200 for $600 bucks
[18:34:53] mchou: jharrisonwk: umm, that normal retail price
[18:35:20] mchou: jharrisonwk: street prices are significantly cheaper here
[18:35:23] jharrisonwk: mchou: what is normal retail price for the 6412?
[18:35:33] mchou: dunno about 6412
[18:35:52] mchou: 6200 I've seen for around $300
[18:36:18] mchou: Brains: what kind of instability?
[18:36:44] jharrisonwk: are they good units?
[18:36:46] Brains: mchou: To be honest, I'm not quite sure. Sometimes a channel change will change the channel but no data comes over the firewire. It seems to affect some channels more than others. I'm getting more pixelation than I think I should (though I've not fully ruled out issues with the mythboxes on that one). Oh, and I left it running on an HD channel the other night and came back to find it errored out. Took a bit of channel chan
[18:36:47] Brains: ging (the hard way, mythtv-setup) to get it sending video again.
[18:37:19] mchou: Brains: where you live?
[18:37:34] mchou: Brains: no data over firewire could be 5C
[18:37:50] mchou: Brains: that's programming specific
[18:38:53] Brains: mchou: I'm in Massachusetts. For some channels (which I've not mentioned in the above problems), I think there is 5C. But the problem above can usually be fixed by changing channels to a "safe" channel (in my case, I've been using 62 which is SD SciFi), waiting a moment, and then switching back.
[18:38:54] mchou: Brains: pixelation generally is an indication of poor signal.....
[18:39:03] D-side: i swear.
[18:39:13] mchou: Brains: but could also be lousy headend :)
[18:39:16] D-side: i'm going to get this damn firewire box, its going to work great without any damn problems at all
[18:39:22] D-side: and i'm going to beat myself for not doing it earlier.
[18:39:31] ** Brains will be dragging an S-Video tv to the cable box later to check the 5C and firmware, he'll look at signal then too. **
[18:39:37] D-side: same thing happened when i switched from a bttv card to a pvr250
[18:39:42] D-side: i know its gonna happen
[18:39:54] mchou: Brains: why drag TV ?
[18:40:12] mchou: Brains: you dont have analog capture card? :)
[18:40:23] mchou: Brains: with Svid in? :)
[18:40:24] Brains: mchou: I have an ancient bttv card somewhere...
[18:40:31] Brains: No sVid.
[18:40:34] mchou: put that in then
[18:40:45] mchou: composite is fine too
[18:40:53] mchou: and install tvtime
[18:40:56] Brains: That is probably as much effort as bringing cablebox and tv together. *chuckel*
[18:41:04] mchou: no need to drag tv
[18:41:28] mchou: Brains: yeah, but you would need to drag TV REPEATEDLY :)
[18:42:09] mchou: Brains: they 5C/non-5C behavior is "normal"
[18:42:32] mchou: you can trick the box, but only for a few minutes
[18:42:50] mchou: so that's relatively useless
[18:42:59] Brains: mchou: Nah, I'd probably put the whole setup near the TV. (The myth backend was originally going to be a mythfrontend but it is an Epia M9k that can't hack HD apparently.)
[18:43:32] Brains: mchou: So it is possible to tune to a 5C channel and get a few minutes of video?
[18:43:35] mchou: Brains: the diag screen will tell you if 5C is "on"
[18:43:41] mchou: Brains: yup
[18:43:56] Brains: mchou: That would be a handy thing to note in the mythtv firewire docs...
[18:44:06] mchou: Brains: why?
[18:44:34] mchou: Brains: it's not an issue with myth
[18:45:17] mchou: Brains: you live in or around Beantown?
[18:45:30] Brains: mchou: As a potential pitfall of the firewire capture. It certainly affects the mythtv performance. My read of the docs suggested getting video was pretty much the proof of the pudding.
[18:45:51] mchou: Brains: bah
[18:45:59] Brains: mchou: About 50miles or so west, just a bit south of the NH border.
[18:46:07] mchou: Brains: everyone knows this going in re firewire
[18:46:25] mchou: Brains: cost of doing business
[18:46:27] ** Brains laughs. "Not everyone, nobody told this silly person..." **
[18:46:51] mchou: Brains: that's you own damn fault for not doing research
[18:47:10] Brains: mchou: I'll take my lumps if you'll point out the handy information I missed...
[18:47:25] mchou: Brains: yeah, google 5C :)
[18:47:59] mchou: Brains: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Transmis . . . t_Protection
[18:48:40] Brains: mchou: Which says nothing about getting video for a while...
[18:48:49] mchou: Brains: lol
[18:48:50] ** Brains was fully aware of the existence of 5C. **
[18:49:30] mchou: Brains: %C you lucky to get any video. Why would you complain about getting video if you have 5C?? lol
[18:49:34] mchou: 5C*
[18:50:08] Brains: mchou: Because getting video for a few minutes isn't getting the content...
[18:50:17] mchou: Brains: huh???
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[18:50:25] ** Brains suspects that we are misunderstanding one another. **
[18:50:48] mchou: Brains: if a program is %C yopu arent supposed to get content. What's your point??
[18:50:54] mchou: 5C*
[18:52:03] Brains: mchou: Haven't said I should get content... But if the content is 5C marked *and* I get a few minutes of video, that means that the existence of a video stream is not indicative of the 5C status. *That* is what I was talking about re adding to the documentation since the impression I had been left with was that 5C would prevent *any* video from being captured.
[18:52:17] mchou: Brains: shit
[18:52:35] mchou: you want a STB bug to be documented in myth docs?
[18:52:40] mchou: wtf??
[18:53:11] Brains: mchou: Only as an aid to troubleshooting/documentation. But it isn't a huge thing so don't get all wound up.
[18:53:24] mchou: Brains: I already told ya how to check if 5C is "on" or off
[18:53:32] Juski: of course there's always the catch that the broadcaster has been slow off the mark to activate the flag ;-)
[18:54:07] Brains: mchou: Which is something I already knew, thanks. Doesn't change the point...
[18:54:23] mchou: Brains: you've got no point
[18:54:59] mchou: wtf would anyone care about getting "free" video for a few minutes, when they know about 5C??
[18:55:23] Brains: mchou: You have a way of violently disagreeing with things nobody has even said yet...
[18:55:34] mchou: and how is this related to myth performance?
[18:55:41] ** Juski beers everybody **
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[18:55:46] laga: Juski: yay!
[18:55:47] Brains: mchou: I'll let you simmer for a bit.
[18:55:56] Brains: MMmm.... Beer.
[18:55:58] Juski: evening laga, stuarta
[18:56:14] stuarta: evening Juski, brains I have beer :)
[18:56:23] mchou: Brains: lol
[18:56:33] ** Brains is on the Dew at the moment. Beer later. Maybe even a grill.... **
[18:56:42] Juski: this fskcing PoS athlon box is still building minimyth, some 20 hours after I started it. jesus I might as well have done a gentoo stage 1
[18:56:42] ** laga has a bbq. **
[18:57:04] ** laga does the hand wavy thing on juski **
[18:57:07] laga: there is no stage 1.
[18:57:09] ** kormoc shudders. **
[18:57:16] Juski: they axed stage 1?
[18:57:20] D-side: apparently someone naked Kris Rose has already figured out the cablevision/HD scenario. this is exactly what i needed.
[18:57:21] kormoc: Sadly, I won't drink mt.dew anymore
[18:57:23] ** stuarta has a bbq 10000 miles away :( **
[18:57:25] kormoc: Juski, nope, still there
[18:57:30] D-side: Juski: its not preferred.
[18:57:35] Juski: rofl
[18:57:36] laga: Juski: yep. there's only stage 3 (and maybe stage 2)
[18:57:41] D-side: circular deps.
[18:57:46] Juski: I can't possibly think why it's not preferred
[18:57:47] kormoc: laga, no stage 2
[18:57:48] laga: well, right. it's there, but unsupported ;)
[18:57:53] Brains: You can still do a stage 1, it is just not the standard Gentoo install anymore.
[18:58:17] Juski: I mean apart from the fact you have to build literally everything...
[18:58:29] D-side: Juski: i just told you. :D
[18:58:37] RaYmAn-Bx: presumably they figured out it didn't really matter
[18:58:52] kormoc: D-side, circular deps is solved via the boot-strapping, no?
[18:58:57] Brains: Or they got tired of offering 3 stages but people only complaining about stage 1...
[18:59:10] Juski: hey I know.. let's get the user to build everything, then get them to build it all again later... because it's so much fun right? ;-)
[18:59:30] D-side: kormoc: multiple times, sure. :)
[18:59:44] D-side: with a stage 3, make.conf config, and rebuild you're done.
[18:59:47] kormoc: I think the packages cd should be part of the default instructions, get it running and happy and then rebuild later.
[19:00:02] D-side: have a look at the old stage one instructions and count the times you had to rebuild the toolchain.
[19:00:11] Brains: (Which has been true for ages... Stage 1 complaints were mostly silly.)
[19:00:17] D-side: kormoc: thats what stage 3 is, and thats the new recommedation
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[19:00:20] kormoc: D-side, heh, just twice. I've installed far more stage 1's then is really healthy
[19:00:22] D-side: unless you mean packages for EVERYTHING.
[19:00:23] Juski: I looked into LFS... same kind of scenario as building minimyth, but harder
[19:00:27] D-side: kormoc: same here. :)
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[19:00:48] kormoc: D-side, packages for (almost) everything, ala the packages cd that is considered optional right now
[19:01:14] kormoc: it's nice getting a gentoo box up and running in 15 minutes
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[19:02:45] Juski: that's the 1st time I've ever stopped a compile. to hell with that jazz
[19:03:07] Juski: I mean... all those hours compiling & not even knowing if it'd work... :-/
[19:03:23] laga: so what. you'll never find out now. :)
[19:03:29] Juski: yup
[19:03:35] Juski: past caring now
[19:03:39] D-side: i hear you.
[19:03:41] kormoc: laga, sure he can, he just added 20 hours to the time tho :P
[19:03:53] D-side: i just recently installed the latest ubuntu, and i have to say... easiest install ever.
[19:05:24] laga: kormoc: heh :)
[19:06:11] Juski: I now can't remember what was so bad about zenslack that I decided against trying their myth plugins
[19:06:22] Juski: ahh yes... they built the svn mythtv for it
[19:06:36] liran_: juski any chance you give me a hand with the code around a plugin?
[19:06:44] Juski: what?!?!?!
[19:07:00] Juski: theme code, maybe.. real code.. errr no
[19:07:08] liran_: hehe
[19:07:09] liran_: ok
[19:07:12] liran_: im desperate ;)
[19:07:21] Juski: you'd fucking well have to be, to ask me
[19:07:24] liran_: ok let me try #mythtv again
[19:07:42] ** Juski beers himself **
[19:08:33] kormoc: Juski, http://www.kgw.com/health/stories/kgw_053006_ . . . a17999d.html
[19:08:55] kormoc: Juski, just 16 more beers to go for your health!
[19:09:16] Juski: and spare me the embarrassment of going to the docs to have it checked out...
[19:10:12] ** stuarta beer! **
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[19:13:52] ** Juski ponders investigating archlinux **
[19:16:45] D-side: isnt that kind of like gentoo lite?
[19:16:52] D-side: i've never looked at it so i'm probably wrong. :)
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[19:18:02] Juski: I dunno.. looks tempting. and their package manager is called 'pacman'
[19:18:45] D-side: and... i'm entirely incorrect.
[19:19:32] jams: archlinux is awesome
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[19:19:43] jams: absolutly nothing like gentoo
[19:20:01] Juski: I don't care how much like gentoo it is – trying to find out how small a footprint it has
[19:20:31] GreyFoxx: Slax is pretty small
[19:20:52] GreyFoxx: My image was 152meg, and I made no effort to shrink it
[19:21:07] GreyFoxx: that was X, xfce4, myth qt, libmysql etc
[19:21:17] laga: Juski: i'm gonna install zenslack later.
[19:21:22] Juski: 152megs is the smallest I've seen next to minimyth
[19:21:37] jams: problem with archlinux is that when you install a package you get all the docs and dev libs
[19:21:48] Juski: jams: they're easily wiped
[19:21:52] jams: yep
[19:22:07] GreyFoxx: Juski: Slax "popcorn" edition is 112meg
[19:22:13] jams: just saying if your only using the package manager that is what you have to contend with
[19:22:19] GreyFoxx: and that includes mplayer and firefox
[19:22:27] GreyFoxx: x, xfce etc etc
[19:22:28] Juski: GreyFoxx: cool
[19:22:39] GreyFoxx: you could ditch firefox and get back some of the space
[19:23:09] Juski: ditch mplayer & replace it with xine, e.g.
[19:23:12] GreyFoxx: Or go with "frodo" edition which is 52meg, but no X :)
[19:23:15] GreyFoxx: yup
[19:24:22] Juski: so how did you build mythtv for it? on another system & copy it over?
[19:26:12] GreyFoxx: Yup
[19:26:16] GreyFoxx: Slax is slackware based
[19:26:28] GreyFoxx: I built the tools, and made them into the slax packages
[19:26:31] GreyFoxx: BUT
[19:26:43] GreyFoxx: there is a slax dev eddition which you can use if you want to build them right under slax
[19:27:23] GreyFoxx: So, I had a mysql client module, qt module, ivtv module, and myth
[19:27:25] Juski: ooo sounds nice
[19:27:50] GreyFoxx: You can skip the ivtv module of course
[19:28:01] Juski: yeah
[19:28:33] GreyFoxx: The QT module was simple. I just tarred the QT stuff minus the docs, then converted the tar into a slaxk package with a build in slax command
[19:29:08] Juski: there being binary packages of QT for slackware, but not mythtv I guess
[19:29:29] Juski: compiling mythtv, I can handle :-)
[19:30:17] Juski: let's ave a look at this here zenslack to see what's in there...
[19:30:36] Juski: reinventing the wheel is for higher mortals than I ;-)
[19:31:36] Juski: oops. seems I forgot I'd wiped the USB stick
[19:31:50] laga: Juski: mind PMing me the username and password for the zenslack download?
[19:33:21] Juski: done
[19:33:34] Juski: still think that's a damn weird way to release stuff
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[19:36:22] laga: yep.
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[19:38:29] Juski: unable to open /dev/sda.. w t f ?
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[19:44:56] Juski: stupid umbongo messing stuff up with its automounting
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[20:43:29] Beirdo: breezy -> dapper upgrades take FOREVER :)
[20:43:39] laga: Beirdo: same here.
[20:43:47] laga: downloading 840mb at the moment
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[20:43:49] D-side: man you're brave.
[20:43:52] D-side: i wouldnt even try it.
[20:43:57] Beirdo: heh
[20:44:16] D-side: i'm glad i tried dapper though. best installer i've used yet
[20:44:17] stuarta: D-side: where's your spirit of adventure???
[20:44:18] Beirdo: well, I've upgraded several times, this laptop was originally running hoary
[20:44:19] D-side: for any distro.
[20:44:24] laga: it's my desktop box, i don't care much about it. the laptop will likely get a fresh install, prolyl with some encrypted file system
[20:44:36] laga: prolly* stupid lag
[20:45:18] D-side: i think more distros should do it like dapper did. a livecd with gui application that drives the isntall process. so while its installing its still usable for other tasks
[20:45:22] Beirdo: I wanted an upgrade for the latest firefox anyways :)
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[20:46:25] Beirdo: it was about 750MB to download
[20:46:37] Beirdo: and now I'm just waiting for it to finish upgrading crap
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[20:48:35] laga: Beirdo: i'm on a 1mbit line, takes ages...
[20:48:42] Beirdo: you're lucky
[20:48:46] Beirdo: I have 512kbit
[20:48:58] laga: yeah, but you're married and live in puerto rico.
[20:49:03] Beirdo: yup
[20:49:18] Beirdo: but you have good bier
[20:50:45] laga: right.
[20:51:01] laga: and soccer madness :/
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[20:51:05] Beirdo: I get the good pina colada though :)
[20:51:24] laga: heh ;)
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[21:02:29] HeMan: Hi! I get "Unable to run plugin 'mythplayback': not initialized" when i try to use mythmusic, any ideas?
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[21:03:26] stuarta: HeMan: probably not compiled against the correct mythlibs. Check the log files from the frontend startup
[21:05:24] HeMan: stuarta: it says "Unable to initialize plugin 'mythmusic'.
[21:05:24] HeMan: /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/liblibplayback.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" but i'm pretty sure I've had it working with this exact installation
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[21:06:03] stuarta: HeMan: rebuild your plugins
[21:06:49] HeMan: i've built .debs and i have re-installed them
[21:07:03] HeMan: the same ones that i had working earlier
[21:07:31] HeMan: but i think i should tell ubuntu to do a better re-installation
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[21:10:39] scales: how much space does fedora w/myth need? allowing me room to update, etc.
[21:11:21] Anduin: 28
[21:11:33] kormoc: 5gb would likely work, but might as well go for 10 to be safe
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[21:12:26] scales: humm, 10 would allow for 35–40 gigs of movie recording
[21:12:32] scales: that isnt that much is it
[21:12:36] laga: nope.
[21:12:39] kormoc: not really
[21:12:56] kormoc: given people in here tend to go with 300gb +
[21:13:05] scales: well, that is assuming that i move over the 20 gigs of roms.....
[21:13:10] Anduin: scales: That extra 6 or so you could have isn't much though.
[21:14:04] scales: well i have an external 80 gig, but it never mounted right in fedora, always had root access only. i asked people here, and in fedora about that. i also looked it up online. nothing really seemed to work
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[21:16:03] Beirdo: finally
[21:16:06] Beirdo: reboot time
[21:16:08] Beirdo: BRB
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[21:18:49] scales: doesnt an hour of video run about a gig?
[21:20:18] kormoc: depends on the quality
[21:20:56] kormoc: I've had it down to 300 megs per hour to 2 gb per hour, and I didn't get close to maxing out the quality set
[21:20:59] Beirdo: there we go
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[21:22:52] scales: humm, so if i am recording plain cable, what would be the lowest i should go?
[21:24:24] kormoc: as low as you can while having it be watchable?
[21:25:18] scales: well watchable and n god quality
[21:25:26] scales: good quality
[21:25:37] kormoc: that depends on you
[21:25:50] kormoc: this is akin to you saying, I have $35, what color shirt should I buy.
[21:26:07] kormoc: we can spit out settings all day long, but we can't tell you what you would think would look good
[21:26:32] Anduin: black
[21:27:42] Brains: Red
[21:27:44] scales: humm, well if i am just recording shows periodically, and all i want to do it watch it on my tv, then i dont need that much quality. stereo sound is fine,
[21:28:01] scales: i mean i am not going to get dvd qulity
[21:29:11] kormoc: so set it to 100 and see if that's acceptable. if not, notch it higher and see
[21:29:50] scales: hehe, ok well i will try it once i get it installed :) i am starting clean
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[21:30:36] kormoc: I think that 600 kb/s at 1/4 res looks acceptable, most people disagree
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[21:31:25] Juski: I'd probably disagree, but I'm like that :-P
[21:32:23] scales: ah juski, so how would i make a new theme for myth?
[21:32:34] xris: scales: copy an existing one. heh.
[21:32:37] scales: how hard is it? what kind of things do i need to know, etc
[21:32:53] Juski: can you use a text editor and something like photoshop?
[21:32:53] scales: ha
[21:33:01] xris: start with Retro, since it's the only third-party one I know of that still works properly with svn.
[21:33:14] Juski: forget about the GIMP unless you wanna make it look shit
[21:33:20] scales: yeah i am good with photoshop, as far as the text editorm, what language
[21:33:27] Juski: xml
[21:33:44] scales: k well sadly i only know html, i will try and look into xml
[21:33:59] Juski: have a read of ui.xml, theme.xml, weather.xml, video-ui.xml, music.xml for an idea. it's easy peasy
[21:34:09] Juski: <tag> ... fooo
[21:34:12] Juski: ... </tag>
[21:34:20] scales: ok good. will do. just like html
[21:34:32] scales: could i use something like dreamweaver?
[21:34:37] scales: have it code for me?
[21:34:43] scales: in case i get lazy?
[21:34:47] Juski: and ffs don't put anything in the outer 5 or 10% of the screen
[21:35:01] Juski: scales: if you're lazy, don't even bother.
[21:35:05] ** kormoc laughs **
[21:35:13] kormoc: wise words
[21:35:17] scales: well i not that lazy
[21:35:36] Juski: it's a fucking labour of love/hate/confusion/screaming
[21:35:38] kormoc: well, you are lazy enough to forget to type something between that i and that not
[21:35:38] kormoc: :P
[21:36:04] scales: yeah that wasnt lazy, that was lack of proof reading
[21:36:12] Juski: and if you're not a hard-nosed bastard dev-type, don't ever announce its release on the users list
[21:36:18] Juski: ;-)
[21:36:48] Juski: could you just make this/that a little bigger/smaller/more/less...
[21:37:00] Juski: to which I'd now reply.. "no, could YOU?"
[21:37:16] scales: alright well thanks for that heads up
[21:37:40] Juski: you could play about with hacking my theme... works fine with svn here.. and Retro is still missing bits AFAIK
[21:38:33] kormoc: People should be glad that I don't make themes. Hey, let's see if I can make a theme that matches CDE!
[21:38:43] Juski: still haven't debugged that issue xris.. it could be that the theme version on my system isn't what I actually released – that's my last ditch :-)
[21:39:08] xris: Juski: thought you had tracked it down to the non-widescreen one
[21:40:02] Juski: xris: yeh on that one,.. but tracking down != knowing what's wrong ;-)
[21:40:38] Juski: the base for both themes is exaccerly the same, and I know what I changed to make it wide
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[21:40:49] Juski: so erm... :-/
[21:40:55] xris: Juski: yes. but being able to replicate the problem is a good first step. heh
[21:41:01] xris: better than "works for me"  :)
[21:41:04] kormoc: well, perhaps it's actually a mythbug
[21:41:20] xris: kormoc: it could be except that some themes are fine
[21:41:21] Juski: apparently it _is_ a bug
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[21:41:43] xris: Juski: just a matter of figuring out how to fix it... in myth or the affected themes.
[21:42:03] Juski: jams knows more about it than I do.. something about base.xml or summat
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[21:43:22] Juski: I'll look in the logs...
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[21:55:35] Juski: xris: can you try something for me? in the theme directory... there should be a background.png and a dbackground.png ...
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[21:55:55] xris: Juski: can try it if it doesn't involve actually looking at mythtv.
[21:56:11] xris: but yes both are there
[21:56:11] Juski: ah
[21:56:17] Juski: okees
[21:56:26] xris: tell me what to do and I can check when I go home
[21:56:28] Juski: maybe it'd be easier if I try to break it here
[21:56:31] xris: (granted, that's 3.5 hours away)
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[22:07:03] Juski: hmpph
[22:07:24] stuarta: poor juski
[22:07:57] Juski: is the logging complete? I'm trying to find something earlier than me mentioning I'd spoken to jams on 19th June... it's in _my_ log but not in the channel log
[22:08:20] Juski: ahh.. but the server isn't in the same TZ :-)
[22:11:13] Juski: jams! where are you fella? ;-)
[22:13:03] Juski: !search
[22:13:06] Juski: oops
[22:13:56] xris: Juski: heh
[22:14:18] xris: nothing to do about the timezone issues... not until Beirdo adds some kind of account tracking.
[22:14:34] Juski: I think some of the logging is missing
[22:15:05] ** xris pokes Beirdo **
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[22:17:15] Juski: right... I think I have a handle on this now, xris
[22:17:38] Juski: if you grab the syth-blue-wide theme you'll see a base.xml file in the theme root dir
[22:18:38] Juski: wth??? <alphapulse min="180" max="180" change="0"/>
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[22:19:09] Juski: something's definitely changed muchly there
[22:19:16] Hoxzer: s
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[22:21:36] xris: heh
[22:21:55] Juski: yeh xris... make a file called base.xml in the theme root dir (http://pastebin.ca/76028) & copy background.png to button_background.png
[22:22:12] Juski: if it works for you I'll do a new release
[22:22:27] Juski: I'll try it out on my svn box when I get the chance
[22:22:53] xris: Juski: ok
[22:23:32] Juski: it _shouldn't_ break the theme for 0.19 users
[22:23:44] xris: I'll try it out tonight and let you know.
[22:23:52] Juski: ta
[22:24:14] Juski: bugs... erm... bug me
[22:24:38] xris: I know the feeling
[22:24:47] xris: documenting code isn't so hot, either.
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[22:25:09] Juski: I'm veyr much looking fwd to the new improved SoC mythweb stuff.. faster loady loady. having 150 channels with mini-essay show descriptions stinks
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[22:26:14] Juski: maybe I should make a script to open the guide page at the current time every hour, in the meantime
[22:26:50] Juski: handy for last-minute schedules... it's always quicker to use mythweb than to wait for the frontend to bring the guide up
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[22:37:29] xris: yeah. I need to go through nick's changes and see what I can port over
[22:38:07] xris: ooh, I get to model for amd's socket f... which isn't out yet and for which we have no info other than what's on the web already....
[22:38:36] xris: nice pic of me standing next to a rack full of dual opterons. heh
[22:38:38] Juski: socket F? sheesh.. I'm still on erm... whatever was new in 1999
[22:38:45] laga: socket A. ;)
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[22:39:01] xris: 1207 pins on the processor. scary
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[22:41:33] Juski: at least their CPUs still have pins, not like the scary prospect that is the Intel thing I've heard about
[22:41:44] Juski: bend a pin... uh-oh, new board please
[22:42:05] D-side: i wonder if i want to upgrade my proc. 3800+ X2
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[22:42:19] D-side: or if not the proc, something else. hm.
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[22:45:43] scottder: Getting their HD using an Antenna
[22:47:27] xris: Juski: not "prospect".. my board has that
[22:47:34] xris: it would be VERY hard to bend one of those, too
[22:49:11] xris: the cpu socket basically has a bunch of little elbow-shaped spring-loaded wires where the pin holes used to be. they rest gently (but hard enough) against the pads on the processor... far better than pins, which can get stuck after time, etc.
[22:51:46] Juski: I didn't know that. I just remember reading about it in a magazine & becoming as shocked as they were about it
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[22:56:28] Anduin: xris: Like PLCC?
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[22:58:38] Juski: probably more akin to a bed of springy contacts, á la bed-of-nails
[23:17:20] Beirdo: yum
[23:17:44] Beirdo: chicken, onions, garlic, peppers in a wine sauce... made it myself
[23:17:47] laga: Beirdo: finishing the dist-upgrade now.. ;)
[23:17:54] laga: sounds tasty
[23:18:07] Beirdo: yup
[23:18:13] stuarta: mmmm
[23:18:19] Beirdo: and it finished about 5 min after the wife got home :)
[23:18:21] Beirdo: perfect timing
[23:18:46] stuarta: well you are the kitchen wench at the moment :)
[23:18:57] Beirdo: yup
[23:19:03] Beirdo: I like cooking anyways
[23:19:16] Juski: who doesn't?
[23:19:17] stuarta: great fun. I love it.
[23:19:38] Beirdo: some people don't seem to like doin it, but I love it
[23:19:49] Beirdo: hate cleaning up after though :)
[23:20:26] Juski: yeh. I've heard women in the supermarket mutterring stuff about how they can't understand people who use stuff like INGREDIENTS 'N' THAT... lol
[23:20:37] Beirdo: hehe
[23:20:44] Beirdo: they are so missing out
[23:21:04] stuarta: cookings a lot like engineering. bit of this, bit of that, et tada....
[23:21:06] Juski: so they get to spend another 30 minutes slobbing out on the couch...
[23:21:28] Beirdo: yeah, chemistry kinda too
[23:21:44] Beirdo: somehow I manage to make the food more spicy than makes any sense to me
[23:22:08] Beirdo: red and green peppers have just enough heat in them that when encouraged by other spices... wow
[23:22:31] Juski: I hate having to improvise.. like when you think you have something (like say soured cream) but you go... "never mind I have some cream and there's a lemon over... erm.... "
[23:22:36] Beirdo: of course, the 6 cloves of garlic...
[23:22:51] Beirdo: heh, yeah making up for lost ingredients sucks
[23:23:15] stuarta: nah, that's half the fun :)
[23:23:51] Juski: ages since I was properly adventurous & made something new from scratch though
[23:24:16] Juski: and thank god it's easier than building a whole distro – I'd wither away :-P
[23:24:28] stuarta: hehe
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[23:30:32] kleptophobiac2: anybody using a serial port blaster?
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[23:41:08] xris: I used to
[23:41:15] Dagmar: Sort of
[23:41:42] Dagmar: I've pluegged it in, compiled and configured lirc, but haven't gotten around to actually *using* it yet
[23:41:52] Dagmar: I'm pretty sure it works
[23:43:44] xris: kleptophobiac2: what's the problem?
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[23:57:58] adante: mythtv has spontaneously stopped responing to certain keypresses in the tv frontend – ffwd, rwd, volume change
[23:58:24] adante: the thing is these keys work fine in other parts of myth e.g. epg
[23:58:37] adante: what could be causing this
[23:58:38] adante: ?
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