Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, June 29th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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scopeuk:

or atleast that what it apeared to be

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woloi:

i didn't remove it, my xorg install got broken by a bad update, and i didn't know what was broken or what mythtv even needed to compile

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D-side:

really anyone competent would have looked at that error and thought "where the hell did libxinerama go?"

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scopeuk:

generaly though its best to get the comptuer working before attempting to install software

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woloi:

the computer was working and the software was installed for a year

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D-side:

so it doesnt matter if you were in here, #gentoo-users, #gentoo-amd64, #linuxhelp, etc etc.

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scopeuk:

giveyou a hint he isent

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woloi:

sorry i'm not as uber leet as you scopeuk

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scopeuk:

did i say i was uber leet

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scopeuk:

hell im usign a iwndows terminal atm

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scopeuk:

im tired i must be gettign grumpt im normally quite pleasent honestly

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drdaz:

es!

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drdaz:

lies!*

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drdaz:

:p

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scopeuk:

;-)

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scopeuk:

my point is in summery that you by your own admision came here becouse the gentoo channel dident coem to a complete standstil to answer your question

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scopeuk:

think that what annoyed me

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woloi:

they didn't give me any answer

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woloi:

so i went looking for other places where people might know

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scopeuk:

yeh there gits liek that

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scopeuk:

so are the debian channel

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woloi:

don't use debian so i wouldn't know

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scopeuk:

i jsut got 45 mins worth of flame in there when i asked for the location of a config file

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scopeuk:

longstory

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scopeuk:

long story*

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drdaz:

fwiw.. I applied the 0.20 video player scan patches to my 0.19-fixes code today... that code is great :D no need to use xine for videos anymore...

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scopeuk:

and it holds togeather?

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D-side:

oh?

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drdaz:

sure

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scopeuk:

sweet

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scopeuk:

yeh lets talk abotu something else becosue im startign to feel liek a real bitch now

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D-side:

well, you are a real bitch.

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scopeuk:

and god that was a typoed piece of crap

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scopeuk:

yes yes ok

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D-side:

i'm just glad you're not yapping in #m0n0wall. :D

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woloi:

haha, good job

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woloi:

anyways, thank you for the help, even if you were bitchy while giving it

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drdaz:

just gotta figure out if the DVD Player patches can be used on 0.19-fixes..

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woloi:

i'm off to go find some food now

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drdaz:

cba with DVDs without menus...

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scopeuk:

D-side geekgod baned me from pfsense for joining too much

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D-side:

scopeuk: as well he should have. you had some irritating connection problems.

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D-side:

besides, i'm not sure you really bring anything to the pfsense table. :)

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scopeuk:

i read

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D-side:

drdaz: cba?

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scopeuk:

belive it or not i have problems and i do occasionaly remember things

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drdaz:

can't be arsed :)

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D-side:

oh, heh.

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D-side:

not a bit of slang we use here, so it didnt register. :)

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drdaz:

heh sry

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D-side:

scopeuk: the 6.1 porting process has begun

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scopeuk:

god help us all

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D-side:

amen for it. its gonna be great. :D

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drdaz:

any of u guys using bob and xvmc?

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drdaz:

that's a no :D

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scopeuk:

just go forthe queston any way

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drdaz:

oh... its just about the bug I noticed... reported a little way up

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drdaz:

was wondering if anybody else was getting the same crap

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drdaz:

when starting livetv bob fails.. after changing channel it works

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** drdaz thinks **

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drdaz:

I wonder if it's those player patches I installed

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drdaz:

heh

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drdaz:

meh... way past bed time... night all

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scopeuk:

make that two of us

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scopeuk:

night

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scopeuk:

and sorry bout the bitching session

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scopeuk:

nto sure if its tired ness or beer or both any wa night all

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vividan:

hey guys

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vividan:

I've got a really odd problem with knoppmyth. When I run the livecd I get audio (choppy video, but I get audio). After doing an install I get good video, but no audio. The drivers are loaded, mythtv thinks it's playing, and amixer behaves correctly, but I have nothing coming out of the speakers. Anyone have an idea?

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vividan:

hell

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vividan:

o

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LabMonkey:

[mpeg2video @ 0x2b67c6b8dd70]Warning MVs not available

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LabMonkey:

what's that?

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[Klatuu]:

why would a video start out sounding fine and then suddenly sound like the sound has sped up?

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[Klatuu]:

for about a second it is fine

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[Klatuu]:

I am using the mythtv internal player

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Sebulba02:

hey, anyone know off the top of their head a sql query to get all upcoming recordings?

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xris:

Sebulba02: you can't

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xris:

it's a good 30 seconds of calculation by the backend to get that info

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Sebulba02:

ouch

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xris:

that's why the backend has a web port for that info... and why there's mythweb...

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Sebulba02:

yeah, but I wanted to write a perl script that'd email the days recordings

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Anduin:

Sebulba02: Look at the mythbackend options.

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xris:

Sebulba02: perl bindings will be available in .20 or so

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Sebulba02:

alright, cool

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xris:

assuming someone can tell me how to get qmake to execute a makefile.pl

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Sebulba02:

thanks, glad I wasn't just missing something

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Sebulba02:

qmake to execute a pl file? hmm

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Anduin:

Sebulba02: (mythbackend --printsched)

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xris:

Anduin: cool

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Sebulba02:

I had no idea.

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Sebulba02:

That's cool.

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Anduin:

xris: Yeah, normally people just use it to complain about the scheduler.

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xris:

heh

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Anduin:

<-- has

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[Klatuu]:

damn this sound problem

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Anduin:

[Klatuu]: Do you have the "Use video as timebase" option set?

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[Klatuu]:

hmm

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[Klatuu]:

no

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[Klatuu]:

I don;'t know

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[Klatuu]:

where is that setting?

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Anduin:

Setup -> TV Settings -> Playback

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[Klatuu]:

that will affect mythvideo?

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[Klatuu]:

using the internal player?

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Anduin:

As will timestretch

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[Klatuu]:

use video as timebase is set

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Anduin:

Was it?

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[Klatuu]:

it is selected

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Anduin:

When it is not what happens?

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[Klatuu]:

checking...

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mishehu:

I'm about to toss this machine against the wall

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[Klatuu]:

I am trying to use SPDIF too

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mishehu:

it's never run stabily ever... every couple days some sort of kernel panic.

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[Klatuu]:

that seems to have fixed it

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[Klatuu]:

thanks

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oblib:

anyone here?

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xris:

nope

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Darby:

me neither

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oblib:

dang

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xris:

?

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oblib:

I'm trying to get my computer to sleep successfully (standby) and it's almost there except for one thing

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oblib:

When I come back from standby, mythtvfrontend loses it's socket to lirc

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xris:

oops

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oblib:

so until I restart the frontend, I can't control it with the remote

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oblib:

Restarting the frontend adds like 20 seconds to the boot time — not very good for a consumer electronics substitute

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oblib:

Unless you're talking HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players of course

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oblib:

Any ideas on how to fix that?

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quantum:

do hdtv cards work on cable?

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quantum:

watch out for the blu-rays

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Dagmar:

They have nasty stingers.

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quantum:

scarry

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xris:

quantum: for stuff you'd normally get over the air, sometimes...

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xris:

for cable, you're better off with a firewire connection. then you get the SD stuff, too.

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quantum:

other stuff is encrypted or something?

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xris:

(usually)

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xris:

yup

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oblib:

a firewire connection to what?

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xris:

oblib: to the cable box

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xris:

fcc mandates that all HD cable boxes have a working firewire port

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oblib:

cool. What will they think of next . . . I didn't know that (obviously)

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gnychis:

I have a WinTV PVR-150, using ivtv 0.7.0 with a 2.6.17-rc6 kernel... I can successfully record and playback audio/video with: cat /dev/v4l/video0 > test.mpg .... however when I try to start "mythtv" which starts livetv, I get this in my backend log: Error getting codec params ... VTV_IOC_G_CODEC:: Invalid argument ...... any ideas?

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xris:

oblib: you're not alone. most cable companies don't know, either...

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Juski:

heh. what will they think of next? don't even go there!

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quantum:

sounds like israel is kicking some butt in Gaza

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Dagmar:

Thankfully most of them have at least been made aware that if a customer shows up on their doorstep and says "I'd like to trade this box in for one with a port on it" they gotta do it

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Juski:

no comment

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oblib:

Anyone have any ideas about my lirc problem?

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quantum:

cable boxes have a firewire out?

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xris:

quantum: HD ones, yes

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quantum:

it is just pure video out the firewire?

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xris:

it's the pure digital signal.. mpeg2 transport stream

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adante:

how much memory do you guys find mythbackend uses?

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xris:

in various resolutions from 328x480 to 1080i

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Dagmar:

A bit like drinking from a firehose with respect to gobbling your disk, compared to analog cable

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xris:

adante: my backend + frontend box has 512M. it's hard to say how much the backend uses because of shared memory, etc.

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adante:

xris: hmm ok

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quantum:

how do you have myth change channels though?

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Juski:

up the firewire cable

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xris:

quantum: the motorola boxes are supported natively (change via firewire). others would require an ir blaster.

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adante:

xris: i just find after a couple of days running, backend is using about 100 meg of physical, and 1/2 gig of swap

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quantum:

adante, I have 512, but I don't have HD, and my capture card does the initial compression

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xris:

SlicerDicer- here has 3 HD boxes daisy chained together... one wire into the mythbox, and they all record fine.

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adante:

wasn't sure if this was normal or not... just seems to be growing is all

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xris:

adante: growing?

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oblib:

another question: when I used Knoppmyth, the frontend came up very quickly. Now that I am using a compiled version on Ubuntu, it takes over 10 seconds to start, and does "prescaling theme images" every time. Any way to streamline the frontend startup?

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xris:

adante: oh.. missed that line.

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xris:

adante: what version of myth?

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adante:

xris: as in, this is what it's at after 5 days.. it wasn't this high 3/4 days ago

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xris:

oblib: always gets the prescaling... but if it can't write to its cache dir it'll have to actually resize them each time.

[04:17:51]

adante:

um.. yep hangon :] it's an svn build.. is there a command line switch i can use to tell?

[04:18:07]

Juski:

mythbackend --version

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xris:

adante: upgrade....

[04:18:11]

gnychis:

any ideas on my problem?

[04:18:11]

adante:

10114

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xris:

I'm using svn from a couple of days ago.. my swap is sitting at 224 bytes used (ie. nothing)

[04:18:32]

oblib:

xris, where is its cache directory determined?

[04:18:41]

xris:

oblib: usually ~/.mythtv

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Juski:

oblib: ~/.mythtv

[04:19:04]

Juski:

actually ~/.mythtv/themecache/foo

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quantum:

oh, sounds like the news report is mostly hype, they just took out a power station and arrested some terriorists

[04:19:38]

oblib:

hmmm, it can definitely write to that directory. How about the 10 seconds it just sits there before it scales?

[04:19:51]

oblib:

scaling dialog box takes like 2 seconds

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Juski:

I always seem to get the waiting period. always taken it as a given & never tried to quicken it

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oblib:

okay, thanks for the help, gotta go now

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Juski:

starting out on the long tortuous road that is building minimyth with gar :-)

[04:30:18]

xris:

mythtv takes 2–5 seconds to even pull up a gui on my box.. another 2–5 to get to the menu

[04:31:31]

Juski:

I always get the theme background up first, then like a 10 sec wait before the scaling, then the menu

[04:31:46]

Juski:

since I don't restart the thing very often I don't mind

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xris:

Juski: sounds about right.. the resizing takes less than a second on my box, but it hangs for 3–4 at 98% before going to the menu

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xris:

and that's prelinked.

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gnychis:

I have a WinTV PVR-150, using ivtv 0.7.0 with a 2.6.17-rc6 kernel... I can successfully record and playback audio/video with: cat /dev/v4l/video0 > test.mpg .... however when I try to start "mythtv" which starts livetv, I get this in my backend log: Error getting codec params ... VTV_IOC_G_CODEC:: Invalid argument ...... any ideas?

[04:39:06]

Dagmar:

"NOTE: Do NOT use ivtv-0.7.0 from subversion. It is a prerelease for the upcoming 2.6.17 kernel and is useless until it is officially released."

[04:39:29]

Dagmar:

Straight from http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page

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gnychis:

you forgot to paste the rest of the sentence

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gnychis:

"It won't work with older kernels."

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Dagmar:

No, I didn't forget to paste it.

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Dagmar:

"[...] is useless until it is officially released." overrides anything else.

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gnychis:

it captures perfectly with cat /dev/v4l/video0

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[05:52:04]

MindOfChaos:

Hey

[05:52:20]

MindOfChaos:

Whats mythTVs music handling feature like?

[05:52:45]

MindOfChaos:

I havnt personally been able to get MythTV to install yet but I want to find out if its worth installing.

[05:52:56]

** MindOfChaos has been trying to install. **

[05:53:05]

MindOfChaos:

Stupid compilation errors

[05:53:37]

MindOfChaos:

Any way can it play cds and also deal with mp3s and stuff and can you make a playlist up?

[05:53:46]

Darby:

sure

[05:53:53]

Dagmar:

You could, of course, check the website.

[05:54:03]

Darby:

the playlist feature could be better, but it works well

[05:54:31]

Darby:

I can put a cd in any computer in my house and rip it to the DB

[05:55:04]

MindOfChaos:

cool

[05:55:23]

MindOfChaos:

And set a custom Playlist from different folders and save the playlist?

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Darby:

not sure about different folders. all my stuff is in the same partition

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MindOfChaos:

oh ok

[05:58:10]

MindOfChaos:

what about different folders on the same partition?

[05:58:45]

alsoconfused:

MindOfChaos: i think you can point it to a directory full of symlinks

[05:58:55]

Darby:

yeah, it does recurse folders.

[05:58:55]

MindOfChaos:

Like instead of just being able to play every thing that is in one folder being able to select stuff and add it to the playlist.

[05:59:12]

Darby:

sure, you can do that no problem

[05:59:31]

MindOfChaos:

a directory full of symlinks is not practical for a person who wants to sit at home and watch tv and set a playlist up with there remote

[05:59:58]

alsoconfused:

MindOfChaos: the symlinks would just be to tell it how to find all your music

[06:00:06]

alsoconfused:

the playlists are done in the gui

[06:01:56]

alsoconfused:

MindOfChaos: i didn't mean one link per song

[06:02:45]

MindOfChaos:

I was thinking one link per song would be incredibly inpractical

[06:04:21]

alsoconfused:

right, i have two symlinks in there, each pointing to directories with hundreds of songs and subdirs

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MindOfChaos:

So you mean instead of going the folder selection and it saying root and home. make a symilink so it also says music?

[06:05:19]

alsoconfused:

if your music is spread out, in /home and /home2 e.g., you might not want myth to try and search from /

[06:07:48]

alsoconfused:

MindOfChaos: looking at the music setup screen, you have to tell it one folder to find the music. the only way that would have worked for me (without symlinks) would have been to tell it to look in /.

[06:08:09]

alsoconfused:

you'll see

[06:08:14]

Hoxzer:

^^ I messed up my system but DOESN'T matter I will figure out it my self this time :D

[06:08:36]

Hoxzer:

I'm so good like I mess up a system ALWAYS -> then I fix it and learn ^^

[06:08:42]

Hoxzer:

maan I would be good tester

[06:08:52]

Hoxzer:

all the bugs just jump on me

[06:09:08]

MindOfChaos:

oh

[06:09:24]

MindOfChaos:

Hoxzer i dont get the thing working in the first place

[06:09:30]

MindOfChaos:

on my linux boxs

[06:09:42]

MindOfChaos:

Always some thing im trying to do on them

[06:10:13]

Hoxzer:

Yeup

[06:10:21]

alsoconfused:

are most people here fairly new to unix?

[06:10:21]

MindOfChaos:

Always some thing that should really be working on the day i installed the system

[06:10:32]

alsoconfused:

i feel for ya

[06:10:35]

Hoxzer:

Maybe I should try mythdora Instead of knoppmyth as knoppmyth has so oold packages

[06:10:51]

Hoxzer:

Isn't mythdora pretty close to fedora?

[06:10:56]

MindOfChaos:

i am

[06:11:46]

alsoconfused:

Hoxzer: i recently upgraded to FC5 and the mythtv install was the easiest it has ever been in the 3–4 years i've been using it

[06:12:50]

MindOfChaos:

oh

[06:13:18]

Hoxzer:

alsoconfused: I haven't used RH based distros that much :(

[06:13:56]

alsoconfused:

if you're already used to debian, might as well keep going with it

[06:16:29]

alsoconfused:

MindOfChaos: what kind of probs are you running into?

[06:19:53]

Hoxzer:

alsoconfused: Yep, there was some script for mythtv if I remeber right for debian system

[06:20:35]

alsoconfused:

i'm sure it's worth a try, but is it up to date?

[06:21:18]

alsoconfused:

i haven't looked at knopmyth in a long time

[06:22:51]

Darby:

I tried knopmyth for my first install and it just gave me flashing keyboard lights

[06:23:06]

alsoconfused:

not as entertaining as hdtv

[06:23:11]

Darby:

lol

[06:23:27]

Hoxzer:

Maybe I just should go for ubuntu 6.06 server and install some light X for it

[06:23:30]

Hoxzer:

:)

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alsoconfused:

wouldn't the desktop version be better?

[06:25:03]

Hoxzer:

^^ no

[06:25:14]

Hoxzer:

because Gnome desktop :(( it is heavy

[06:25:19]

Hoxzer:

fluxbox is better ^^

[06:25:34]

Hoxzer:

and there is howto for server install but it is pretty old though

[06:25:41]

alsoconfused:

ratpoison in pretty light too

[06:25:49]

Hoxzer:

:P wtf

[06:26:02]

alsoconfused:

it's a window manager

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Hoxzer:

WAIT

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Hoxzer:

Xubuntu "Lol"

[06:26:35]

Hoxzer:

I didn't think abou it ^^ it has light desktop on it and and ^^

[06:26:38]

Hoxzer:

Just what I need

[06:26:46]

Hoxzer:

Maan I'm smart

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Hoxzer:

So I put it on download ^^ and install it when my summer holidays beging meanwhile I try to get my mythtv work on current system just for practice ^^

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alsoconfused:

Hoxzer: desktops are easy to change. kernel versions, drivers and system libraries are where things get sticky

[06:30:48]

alsoconfused:

it's all good practice though :)

[06:31:03]

Hoxzer:

oh :/ but Xubuntu is almost same as ubuntu 6.06 just diffrend desktop

[06:31:48]

alsoconfused:

i'm gonna take kubuntu for a spin someday. i've been hooked on kde for quite a while now

[06:32:00]

LabMonkey:

ok wt

[06:32:03]

LabMonkey:

wtf*

[06:32:08]

LabMonkey:

live tv has sound just fine

[06:32:29]

alsoconfused:

mixer problem?

[06:32:30]

LabMonkey:

and the Default and Live TV recording profiles are identical

[06:33:32]

alsoconfused:

LabMonkey: you mean there's no sound during playback, or there's no sound in the file itself?

[06:34:11]

LabMonkey:

no sound during playback

[06:34:39]

alsoconfused:

i.e. if you play the file with mplayer the sound is fine?

[06:34:56]

doggkruse:

what do I need to record hd digital cable in the us?

[06:35:13]

doggkruse:

right now I have a pvr 500 and i'm thinging about moving to hd

[06:35:15]

xris:

doggkruse: an hd cable box and a firewire card

[06:35:34]

doggkruse:

xris: is that the only way?

[06:35:36]

LabMonkey:

alsoconfused: copying the file to my win box to play now

[06:35:44]

Brains:

xris: Don't forget patience and fortitude too.

[06:35:46]

alsoconfused:

LabMonkey: get mplayer!

[06:35:47]

xris:

doggkruse: the only way to get non-over-the-air stuff, yes.

[06:35:51]

doggkruse:

:/

[06:35:54]

doggkruse:

ouch

[06:36:01]

LabMonkey:

using lircmd makes that annoying

[06:36:07]

xris:

doggkruse: why ouch? it's a really slick solution.

[06:36:15]

doggkruse:

does it work well?

[06:36:19]

xris:

yeah

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alsoconfused:

xris: does full resolution come over the firewire?

[06:36:27]

doggkruse:

I kind of got the feeling the firewire stuff was flakey

[06:36:28]

xris:

alsoconfused: for me it does.

[06:36:35]

alsoconfused:

1080i?

[06:36:38]

xris:

alsoconfused: yes

[06:36:41]

LabMonkey:

hmm

[06:36:41]

xris:

even hbo

[06:36:41]

alsoconfused:

nice

[06:36:45]

Brains:

xris: Which cable box are you using?

[06:36:50]

doggkruse:

xris: you have comcast?

[06:36:50]

xris:

Brains: the motorola one

[06:36:52]

xris:

yes

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xris:

doggkruse: ^^

[06:37:03]

Brains:

xris: DCT-6200?

[06:37:07]

xris:

Brains: yeah

[06:37:14]

** Brains is using the same one. **

[06:37:17]

doggkruse:

to do multiple chans, do you need multiple boxes?

[06:37:18]

LabMonkey:

are there any HD satellite (a la directv/dishnetwork) receivers that have firewire support? like I could connect it to my htpc over firewire?

[06:37:32]

xris:

doggkruse: it will rarely miss a channel change... once every few weeks.

[06:37:35]

xris:

LabMonkey: 169time.com

[06:37:43]

xris:

LabMonkey: that's your only option for satellite

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Brains:

xris: I've not gotten it to be as reliable as I like. Any tricks you got handy?

[06:37:56]

xris:

Brains: I haven't done anything special.

[06:39:33]

doggkruse:

xris, thanks for your help. I'll google the rest

[06:39:35]

Brains:

xris: What area are you in? (I'm curious how similar our local cable systems are. I'm in Mass.)

[06:39:41]

xris:

Brains: seattle

[06:39:58]

xris:

talked to several seattle folks and no one has had issues.

[06:39:59]

Dagmar:

Looks like the only problem is that you don't have much guarantee that 5 years from now DirectTV or someone isn't going to come after you claiming you owe them a few grand

[06:40:07]

xris:

SlicerDicer- has 3 boxes daisy chained with no trouble.

[06:40:20]

** Brains hrms. **

[06:40:26]

doggkruse:

interesting

[06:40:43]

xris:

mchou is in california with also good results.

[06:40:55]

LabMonkey:

mythfrontend is also segfaulting frequently on startup

[06:41:05]

xris:

Brains: you running .19 or svn?

[06:41:21]

LabMonkey:

ie. I click the icon to start it and immediate segfault reported

[06:41:29]

alsoconfused:

LabMonkey: are you using a standard theme?

[06:41:49]

xris:

LabMonkey: mythfrontend -v all

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Brains:

xris: .19. And I'm pretty sure my issues aren't in mythtv, but I don't know whether it is at the linux firewire support or the device itself. (I can make the problems occur just using test-mpeg2 and 6200ch.)

[06:42:22]

xris:

Brains: I've heard that some firewire cards are problematic

[06:42:46]

Brains:

xris: Onboard firewire on an EPIA M9k...

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doggkruse:

xris: do you have to buy the dct-6200 or does comcast rent it to you?

[06:43:35]

xris:

Brains: dunno which. just heard that some were problematic.

[06:43:37]

xris:

doggkruse: rent.

[06:43:44]

doggkruse:

how much?

[06:43:51]

xris:

$5/month for a cable box (first is free), $5/month for HD upgrade.

[06:44:04]

xris:

so I get one cable box free, and I pay $10/month for a second box that does HD.

[06:44:05]

doggkruse:

not too bad

[06:44:19]

xris:

I don't actually have an hd-capable tv, so the first box is sd.

[06:44:20]

Dagmar:

Very nice, in fact.

[06:44:22]

** Brains thought it was $8, but either way, not much. **

[06:44:36]

Brains:

Same here. SD box downstairs feeding the tivo.

[06:44:47]

doggkruse:

did you have to ask special for the firewire box?

[06:45:01]

xris:

I'm getting a SUPER good deal on cable because of a dishnetwork switchover promo... paying around $50 total for both boxes, digital cable, hbo and tax.

[06:45:15]

Dagmar:

Ahh....

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doggkruse:

nice

[06:45:26]

xris:

doggkruse: all the HD boxes are supposed to come with firewire enabled. most comcast employees think the ports are disabled, but they're usually fine.

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Dagmar:

Here Comcast's attitude is if you want HD, you're shelling out for iDig

[06:45:36]

LabMonkey:

how the...

[06:45:36]

Brains:

iDig?

[06:45:46]

Dagmar:

Digital cable

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LabMonkey:

I pay like $70 for analog cable + HBO

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xris:

Dagmar: non-promo price for my setup would probably be $80–90/month

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alsoconfused:

comcast in the northeast is a nasty company to deal with

[06:46:19]

xris:

alsoconfused: all cable companies are.

[06:46:25]

doggkruse:

I loved them in the nw and in co

[06:46:35]

xris:

doggkruse: where are you now?

[06:46:41]

Dagmar:

It's only the availability of DirectTV and DishNetwork that have had *any* impact on them

[06:46:41]

doggkruse:

as much a you can love a cable company

[06:46:43]

doggkruse:

ca

[06:46:44]

doggkruse:

:/

[06:46:49]

xris:

doggkruse: where?

[06:46:54]

doggkruse:

san clemente

[06:47:07]

doggkruse:

I was in salem, or for school

[06:47:10]

doggkruse:

but I finished

[06:47:22]

xris:

doggkruse: is that comcast territory or roadrunner?

[06:47:31]

doggkruse:

cox :(:(

[06:47:33]

xris:

ahh

[06:47:41]

doggkruse:

but I think comcast is moving in

[06:47:45]

Dagmar:

Heh. Were the world the sort of place where there could be both in one market

[06:47:47]

doggkruse:

you can get it in palm desert

[06:48:02]

xris:

Dagmar: that's nice. in seattle it's zoned... fake competition.

[06:48:22]

LabMonkey:

I'm just not satisfied enough with the HD listings available... if there were more HD channels that I like I might be more interested

[06:48:26]

doggkruse:

anyway, I don't know how long I'll be here.... the company I'm working for is short on $$

[06:48:39]

xris:

doggkruse: if you go for it, I'd get in on a trial period, get the HD box and test it. if it doesn't work, we can give you a bunch of links to the fcc regs how they're supposed to enable the ports.

[06:48:51]

doggkruse:

hah

[06:48:52]

doggkruse:

sweet

[06:49:02]

doggkruse:

I think I'll do that

[06:49:14]

Dagmar:

THere's almost *always* a trial-period/new-customer special everywhere

[06:49:18]

Dagmar:

You just gotta know where to look.

[06:49:19]

doggkruse:

I'm also going to get a really nice hd projector

[06:49:26]

doggkruse:

I already have the screen built

[06:49:29]

doggkruse:

;)

[06:49:33]

Dagmar:

Often you can just go to Office Depot or whatever company they've partnered with for cable internet

[06:49:33]

xris:

doggkruse: the regs actually specify that they're only required to provide SD (480p) signals for OTA channels, but it's generally easier for them to just give you the real stream.

[06:49:44]

doggkruse:

heh

[06:50:00]

doggkruse:

I have had pretty decent support from comcast

[06:50:04]

Brains:

doggkruse: BTW, the couple of times I dialed into the HD channels on this comcast box, I was getting 1080. (I'm assuming interlaced, but I didn't check.)

[06:50:17]

doggkruse:

and my fianc?e's sister actually worked for them for some time

[06:51:03]

Dagmar:

Well, I in all fairness I'm not sure how a cable company could provide a useful 1080 signal from a 480 broadcast

[06:51:13]

doggkruse:

I just finally upgraded to a machine that can handle that video

[06:51:17]

doggkruse:

hd that is

[06:51:27]

xris:

Dagmar: or the other way around — would need transcoder hardware/software in the cable box.

[06:51:43]

xris:

Dagmar: the SD stuff I get is 328x480 of 528x480 — weird resolutions.

[06:51:51]

xris:

it's amazing how low quality some of these things are.

[06:51:53]

** Brains was hoping to squeeze enough performance out of his EPIA M9k to do HD, but that doesn't look remotely possible with 1080 at the moment. **

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doggkruse:

Brians: with the new mac-accel support, you should be able to do 1080 on a mac mini

[06:52:58]

doggkruse:

not that that helps your m9k

[06:53:02]

Brains:

doggkruse: If I was gonna buy new, I'd buy big new... And move everything down.

[06:53:05]

doggkruse:

but its a small slick machine

[06:53:07]

xris:

doggkruse: mac-accel?

[06:53:17]

doggkruse:

nigels patch

[06:53:20]

doggkruse:

think xvmc

[06:53:21]

** xris has it on pretty good authority that the mini can't do HD in linux **

[06:53:23]

doggkruse:

but for macs

[06:54:13]

doggkruse:

I got it compiled, but my backend is out of commission

[06:54:23]

doggkruse:

and I wouldn't have hd to test on it anyway...

[06:55:01]

xris:

it's easy enough to find HD samples around the net.

[06:55:04]

xris:

legal ones, even

[06:55:08]

doggkruse:

heh

[06:55:16]

doggkruse:

in mpeg2?

[06:55:39]

Dagmar:

What's bitchy to find is test files using given codecs

[06:55:48]

doggkruse:

heh

[06:56:12]

doggkruse:

how do you play a stand alone video in myth?

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Hoxzer:

Seems like everybody is using fedora :O

[06:56:43]

doggkruse:

ie not a recording on the backend

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xris:

doggkruse: mythvideo, of course. :)

[06:57:04]

doggkruse:

xris: doesn't help much on the mac

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doggkruse:

I don't think mythvideo works

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xris:

no clue

[06:57:26]

doggkruse:

heh

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doggkruse:

ok, well I'll let y'all know when I do some testing on it

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xris:

can pop them into the mythtv database. .19 *should* play them

[06:57:44]

doggkruse:

but it looks promising

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Dagmar:

eh? MythVideo works fine for playing

[06:58:09]

doggkruse:

hmmm

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Dagmar:

Trying to edit the metadata it keeps is another story

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doggkruse:

been away from myth too long

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doggkruse:

alright, thanks for the help guys

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doggkruse:

off to bed

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Brains:

xris: A couple more questions and then I'll stop pestering you... P2P/Broadcast? Speed? Oh, and have you accessed the diagnostics screen on your DCT-6200?

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Dagmar:

This is almost classic. Note that on http://broadband.motorola.com/consumers/products/dct6200/ they have an enlarged picture on the back of the unit.

[07:03:42]

Dagmar:

Note that the panel marked "IEEE 1394" actually isn't broken out with an actual firewire port

[07:04:37]

xris:

Brains: p2p?

[07:04:46]

xris:

haven't messed with diagnostics, no. mchou has, though.

[07:04:50]

Brains:

xris: Point2Point

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xris:

Brains: whatever the defaults are.

[07:05:25]

xris:

jarod covers it all in his fedora guide.

[07:05:52]

** Brains has already looked at all the guides he could find, but he'll doubt check that tomorrow. **

[07:06:09]

Brains:

er, doubt=double

[07:06:19]

Juski:

lovely. looks like my minimyth build environment is about right now

[07:10:13]

null:

How do I have to configure mythtv if I have a dual-tuner card? Do I need to setup two video sources?

[07:10:29]

Juski:

no – just setup both tuners

[07:10:50]

Juski:

then attach one video source to both if you want both to have the same lineup & listings

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Dagmar:

null: You (likely) only have one "source" and that would be your cable company. A source is where the video is coming from. It's nothing to do with the physical inputs (which is less nonsensical than it would first appear)

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null:

ah

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Juski:

I have 2 sources, and 3 tuners. 2 tuners use the same source

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Brains:

Juski: Out of curiosity, what are your sources? Cable/sat plus OTA?

[07:14:37]

Juski:

over the air and cable

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alsoconfused:

Juski: OTA in HDTV?

[07:15:19]

** xris comforts Juski about his lack of hdtv... **

[07:15:20]

** Brains has been tempted to pull out an old bttv card to see what he can get... Help spare the cable for cable only stuff. **

[07:15:20]

Juski:

no HDTV. I'm in the UK

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alsoconfused:

ok, thx

[07:15:40]

Juski:

xris: I'm really not bothered. I've seen it – much ado about expensive TV sets :-P

[07:16:06]

** Brains hasn't bought an HD TV, but is pretty happy with the lovely pictures on his monitor from an HD source. **

[07:16:14]

alsoconfused:

it looks great on the computer monitor though

[07:16:19]

Juski:

all the HD demos I've seen look like holiday brochure photographs.. over-egged

[07:16:29]

alsoconfused:

i don't have an hd set either, but sometimes watch at my desk

[07:16:32]

xris:

Juski: same reason I don't have a big tv. heh

[07:17:12]

Juski:

and judging by the test clips I've seen, HD isn't _that_ much better than our digital SDTV apart from the bitrates

[07:17:37]

Juski:

when you factor in the fact there's still so little HD material, it's not worth it yet

[07:17:52]

alsoconfused:

i'm told that boston is pretty good for ota hd

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Juski:

the majority of our channels here show too many re-runs

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** Brains hasn't really been tempted by OTA HD 'cause of the card cost plus the lack of real interest in the available content. Which is why the firewire/cablebox thing clicked... **

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alsoconfused:

i don't have that much interest either, but if i could buy a tuner for short money, i'd do it

[07:21:43]

** Brains only spent the bit extra for the hd cable box plus $13 for a firewire cable... **

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alsoconfused:

it was too expensive and complicated last time i looked

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alsoconfused:

i'm reluctant to rent a cable box

[07:22:59]

** Brains bought a sat box a long while back but couldn't use it for the past couple of years and now it isn't good for anything anyways... **

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xris:

alsoconfused: I figure it's worth $10 to test for a month

[07:23:42]

alsoconfused:

good point

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Brains:

If I could get this setup working, I'd go ahead and upgrade the other cable box to HD, get a dual firewire setup going, and retire the TiVo... But since the TiVo has become "mission critical equipment" according to the wife (paraphrased, of course, and the threats removed), the move needs to be smooth.

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alsoconfused:

is it possible to grab local HDTV content from the comcast cable with a purchased tuner?

[07:26:21]

xris:

Brains: SlicerDicer- here claims to have even gotten both tuners working on the dvr box from comcast

[07:26:30]

xris:

alsoconfused: usually, yes

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xris:

most of the recent cards support QAM for unencrypted cable channels

[07:27:03]

xris:

which the OTA stuff is supposed to be.

[07:27:18]

alsoconfused:

and they can tune the correct frequencies i assume?

[07:27:33]

Juski:

OT: 2-in-1 laser pointer keyfob torch thingy for just $1.00 shipped to anywhere free (!) http://www.ledshoppe.com/product/ledp/P1001.htm

[07:27:56]

** xris prefers his arc led flashlight. **

[07:28:26]

xris:

alsoconfused: theoretically / usually, yes.

[07:28:30]

** Brains thinks a reappraisal of the season pass list on the TiVo is due. 64 items and most of his are low in priority.... **

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xris:

ok, I need to crash.. 'night all.

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alsoconfused:

ciao xris

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Juski:

has anybody here ever built minimyth on a gentoo system? or anything else tht uses GAR for that matter?

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d3ity:

hey guys

[07:56:38]

d3ity:

anyone home?

[07:56:45]

juski:

nope

[07:56:47]

d3ity:

Having a problem getting my channels

[07:57:08]

d3ity:

the autoscan is woefully incomplete (only picks up like...10 channels)

[07:57:26]

d3ity:

and fetch channels from listings source (the option I always preferred) doesn't seem to do anything

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juski:

dvb?

[08:01:07]

d3ity:

?

[08:01:13]

d3ity:

explain this dvb

[08:01:20]

juski:

are you using a digital tuner?

[08:01:28]

d3ity:

nope

[08:01:38]

juski:

so channel scanning won't work

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juski:

end

[08:01:48]

juski:

of

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d3ity:

yeah channel scanning just plain...hates me.

[08:01:50]

juski:

story

[08:02:02]

juski:

so do it yerself yer lazy arse

[08:02:11]

d3ity:

it used to like me, hell, it'd even name all my channels for me and give me pictures and shiny things

[08:02:24]

d3ity:

but...I am lazy, and I'd like it to JustWork(tm)

[08:02:43]

juski:

you're lazy? no hope for you then

[08:03:13]

d3ity:

ugh, well, I suppose I know what i'm doing for the next hour and a half

[08:04:00]

juski:

quit moaning. it's not like you need to do it many times

[08:04:32]

d3ity:

only once every week or so when my mysql database decides to take a crap

[08:05:20]

d3ity:

and when mythfrontend segfaults and mythtv-setup gives me mythtv-setup: Fatal IO error: client killed

[08:06:47]

juski:

well you know what to do... compile mythtv with debug support enabled, and run it under gdb – submit a backtrace to the users list & possibly raise a ticket

[08:07:08]

Dagmar:

Not like anyone cares, but anyone compiling ivtv on Slackware is going to need http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/mythtv/ivtv-0 . . . warefix.diff

[08:07:43]

Dagmar:

A minor change to the -I directives in the utils/ subdir gets around stodgy old 2.4.x kernel headers on Slackware boxes.

[08:07:53]

d3ity:

Dagmar, slackware 10.2, 0.7 compiles fine

[08:08:10]

Dagmar:

d3ity: I don't see how it's going to

[08:08:20]

d3ity:

Dagmar, worked for me

[08:08:21]

Dagmar:

...although they may have made a workaround

[08:08:48]

d3ity:

0.7 did have some issues compiling initially, but in 0.7, the headers are explicitly called now.

[08:08:57]

Dagmar:

The question is: Have you been messing about with -current or changing kernel-headers-2.4.31-i386–1?

[08:09:12]

Dagmar:

Ah ha... Yeah that's basically what this does for 0.6.3

[08:09:31]

Dagmar:

It just lobs -I/usr/src/linux/include into the gcc invocation

[08:09:48]

d3ity:

http://www.ivtvdriver.org/pipermail/ivtv-user . . . /003296.html

[08:09:57]

Dagmar:

shilo (another dropline user) has been building a myth box as well, and this time I sat down and made a proper patch to give him

[08:10:12]

d3ity:

yeah. I remember having a hell of a time with 0.6

[08:10:21]

Dagmar:

I've gotten used to this particular problem.

[08:10:21]

d3ity:

but 0.7 works perfectly

[08:10:36]

Dagmar:

You can forget anything that calls for uinput to work either, for the same reason.

[08:10:56]

Dagmar:

The 2.4.x kernel headers are compatible enough, but some things have changed in naughty ways between 2.4.x and 2.6.x

[08:11:17]

d3ity:

yeah I really wish slackware would get out of 1992 and use a 2.6 kernel

[08:11:32]

Dagmar:

From what I know of it, there's nothing terribly wrong with them having included videodev2.h right in the package

[08:11:44]

d3ity:

yeah

[08:12:06]

d3ity:

it's slackware's fault in the end for that damn 2.4 kernel sticking around for god knows what reason.

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Dagmar:

Well, when Pat finalized 10.2, the 2.6.x kernel was in a nightmare state with respect to a lot of things, still

[08:12:36]

Dagmar:

USB and SATA had some serious, serious issues

[08:13:01]

Dagmar:

Those issues are long gone now, but there were some pretty radical changes that went down

[08:13:57]

d3ity:

yeah

[08:14:27]

d3ity:

tell me about sata, it was ungodly for me to get my sil3112 to work in 2.6 period

[08:14:36]

Dagmar:

Oh that's not the half of it

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d3ity:

yeah, my USB requires more modules than I can think of

[08:14:52]

Dagmar:

DId you never experience the "SATA drives may not come up in the same order every time" problem?

[08:14:58]

d3ity:

oh oh yeah

[08:14:59]

d3ity:

definatley.

[08:15:01]

Dagmar:

If you had more than one, sometimes they'd switch places

[08:15:02]

Dagmar:

hehe

[08:15:13]

d3ity:

now you wanna talk about headaches, theres one

[08:15:19]

d3ity:

especially if you have one mounted /

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Dagmar:

Id' have just started screaming in terror if anything like that happened on my machines

[08:15:29]

d3ity:

it's trying to boot linux off my music collection!

[08:15:39]

d3ity:

yeah it's definatley a bit...special

[08:15:59]

mk500:

hi all; I'm having some difficulty with my mythbackend

[08:16:01]

d3ity:

now, to figure out....why that now my channels show up perfectly, and named correctly...

[08:16:08]

d3ity:

but refuse to play...

[08:16:14]

mk500:

when I try to kill the process, it goes <defunct> and takes up 99% of CPU

[08:16:15]

d3ity:

to...an anlog TV to see if my cable is out!

[08:17:14]

mk500:

this is a new install; and I'm also seeing problems connecting to mythbackend from mythfrontend and mythweb

[08:17:48]

mk500:

any help is much appreciated...as I'm running out of ideas

[08:18:22]

Dagmar:

So, does *anything* with the backend work?

[08:18:31]

Dagmar:

...and what version are you building?

[08:19:15]

mk500:

I'm using Knoppmyth R5C7

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Dagmar:

Tried asking in #knoppmyth?

[08:20:03]

Dagmar:

THey might actually know what they've done with that release

[08:20:51]

mk500:

not too many folks in there tonight....but I will do that....sorry to bother you guys.....R5C7 is running fine on my other two boxes, so this issue really threw me

[08:21:09]

Dagmar:

Oooh... you're in luck there

[08:21:20]

Dagmar:

I'd just give the boxes a very careful looking at to see how the broken one differs

[08:22:11]

Dagmar:

I'd be eyeballing the kernel config and the mysql and qt versions in particular.

[08:22:18]

mk500:

the only thing I can find is that on this box the broadcast IP was initially set incorrectly during install....I've since fixed though

[08:22:26]

Dagmar:

Ah ha

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Dagmar:

I'll betcha something got written to the database with the wrong info then

[08:22:52]

Dagmar:

...and all the more reason for you to look into setting up a DHCP server at yer house

[08:23:00]

mk500:

good point.....I should look around in the DB

[08:23:13]

qu0zl:

have you looked ath the mythbackend logs?

[08:23:13]

mk500:

hadn't thought that broadcast would be stored

[08:23:23]

qu0zl:

no complaints at all in them?

[08:23:26]

mk500:

yeah, the log looks pretty normal

[08:23:30]

mk500:

no complaints

[08:23:44]

Dagmar:

I've had a DHCP server and caching DNS server (with kung.foo zones) running on my home network for like 8 years now. Never have I regretted that little overhead work

[08:24:18]

mk500:

does save a lot on typos :-)

[08:24:42]

mk500:

thanks for the suggestion....at least I have something to look into now....I was running out of ideas

[08:24:46]

Dagmar:

I like being able to just shove a cable into the back of a machine and "just go" with it

[08:25:04]

mk500:

yeah, that is nice

[08:25:09]

qu0zl:

mk500, you double check the ip specified in the frontend config is sane?

[08:25:23]

mk500:

yeah, I triple checked that

[08:25:28]

qu0zl:

:)

[08:25:42]

qu0zl:

you have 1 backend and 3 frontends?

[08:25:48]

qu0zl:

or 3 machines with 3 backends/frontends

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mk500:

heh, well, this machine is stand alone (new setup for friend)

[08:26:38]

mk500:

at my house I have a backend and 2 frontends

[08:26:59]

mk500:

one frontend is quad G5 :-)

[08:27:07]

qu0zl:

you turned on verbose logging on the frontend? Just in case

[08:27:08]

mk500:

works good for 1080i

[08:27:12]

qu0zl:

nice

[08:27:22]

Dagmar:

Yech. macpervery

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mk500:

well, frontend isn't able to connect to backend at all

[08:27:40]

mk500:

macpervery...I like that :-D

[08:27:41]

qu0zl:

if you turn on verbose you may get a clue to why

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qu0zl:

--verbose all

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mk500:

ok, I'll try verbose now

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mk500:

wow, that gets right to it

[08:30:39]

mk500:

"you should probably modify your Master Server settings"

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qu0zl:

:)

[08:31:00]

mk500:

gotta be a DB issue....I should have this fixed quickly

[08:31:06]

mk500:

thanks much!

[08:31:11]

qu0zl:

good luck with it

[08:31:17]

mk500:

oh yeah....crossing fingers

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Dagmar:

heh

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d3ity:

hey all

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d3ity:

I have returned

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d3ity:

and my channels...still mock me

[08:39:46]

d3ity:

even though the channels show up... I cannot get them.

[08:39:51]

** d3ity idea **

[08:40:13]

juski:

mocking $DEITY.. isn't that $Blasphemy ?

[08:40:24]

d3ity:

yes.

[08:40:44]

juski:

issue that fatwa now :-P

[08:40:59]

d3ity:

i have smitten the problem

[08:41:06]

d3ity:

I had my freq table set as us-bcast

[08:41:09]

d3ity:

instead of cable

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Dagmar:

You never watch anything in the first 13 channels, either huh?"

[08:43:00]

d3ity:

eh, channel 12 is our local weather channel, which is useful considering most of my area is underwater at the moment

[08:43:28]

Dagmar:

I would think that if you're underwater, the weather isn't going to trouble you much.

[08:43:39]

Dagmar:

It's what you bitches get for hogging all the rain, anyway.

[08:43:46]

d3ity:

hey, please, come take some

[08:43:48]

d3ity:

we're full.

[08:43:51]

Dagmar:

I would LOVE to

[08:43:59]

Dagmar:

Here in Tennessee, we know what to do with excess rain.

[08:44:07]

d3ity:

yeah, build some dams

[08:44:09]

Dagmar:

We build man-made lakes and turn it into hydroelectric power.

[08:44:46]

d3ity:

i'm just afraid if this goes to far, philly will go under and no one will have drinking water ever again

[08:45:01]

Dagmar:

It still freaks me out a little to drive past Long Hunter lake. I used to go on camp-outs in a place that's like 100 feet underwater by now

[08:45:03]

d3ity:

think about it, would you want to drink water you knew was runoff from philly?

[08:45:19]

Dagmar:

euw

[08:45:23]

d3ity:

yeah

[08:45:34]

Dagmar:

The EPA might have to get involved.

[08:47:21]

Dagmar:

At least it's not coming from Jersey

[08:47:32]

d3ity:

philly....camden...

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d3ity:

I mean, easton (underwater) is right next to phillipsburg NJ, but...that's not too bad... the combined runoff from philly, and camden...camden, the place god forgot...

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power1:

hey all, What do you reccomend, I can either go for a Hauppauge PVR-150 or a PVR-350 any reasons to go for the one over the other.

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reze:

Hey Dagmar?

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Dagmar:

yes/

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reze:

you're from Tenessee?

[08:58:26]

Dagmar:

Yes.

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reze:

cool =) I like Jack Daniel's, you know? ^^

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Dagmar:

haha

[08:58:58]

reze:

I'm from Germany...the internet is great

[08:59:09]

Dagmar:

I've been to Lynchburg all of three times. High School band stuff.

[08:59:42]

Dagmar:

I was tempted to rush over there to gawp when the Jack Daniels & Dickel warehouse caught fire tho

[08:59:46]

Dagmar:

The news footage was pretty impressive

[08:59:48]

reze:

yeah, my question is...are these guys really sitting all the day there and waiting for the whisky to age?

[09:00:07]

Dagmar:

Well, mainly they're making *more* whiskey to add to the stash

[09:00:19]

Dagmar:

...although now they keep better watch on their fire alarms. ;)

[09:00:36]

reze:

your country's drying out?

[09:00:43]

Dagmar:

When a warehouse full of high-proof alcohol burns, you don't fight it. You just have to get far, far away.

[09:00:55]

reze:

hehe, right

[09:01:07]

qu0zl:

power1, have a look at the pvr500. having two tuners is a lot better than just one

[09:01:22]

Dagmar:

It was a rather unique looking fire, and it's not often you see a building *melt into a smooth mound of slag*

[09:01:35]

Dagmar:

I'm with qu0zl on that one

[09:01:38]

power1:

qu0zl, its not available in my country......only the 150, 250 and 350...

[09:01:45]

qu0zl:

order it online. it's worth it

[09:01:53]

qu0zl:

or get 2x150s

[09:02:00]

Dagmar:

The 350's main (and almost only) selling point is that it has a TV output port on it

[09:02:15]

qu0zl:

but you're better off with a geforce 5200 probably

[09:02:18]

juski:

the pvr350's main selling point no longer works in svn head

[09:02:20]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[09:02:51]

reze:

btw...is all jack daniel's whiskey really only produced there in Lynchburg? I mean...you can buy it in nearly every supermarket here

[09:03:12]

Dagmar:

Unless your box is so cramped for space you can only stick one PCI card in it, it's easier to deal with a 5200.

[09:03:14]

reze:

these guys in the tv spots are my heroes

[09:03:21]

Dagmar:

Yeah, they make it all there.

[09:03:27]

reze:

crazy

[09:03:38]

reze:

I have to visit Lynchburg

[09:03:51]

juski:

does Lynchburg have any bars?

[09:04:01]

juski:

I read it's dry there

[09:04:04]

Dagmar:

Amusingly enough, no. It's in a _dry county_.

[09:04:18]

reze:

poor guys

[09:04:19]

Dagmar:

You can *sample* the stuff there, but you can't actually buy it by the drink at all.

[09:04:22]

qu0zl:

how many of those are there in america?

[09:04:36]

juski:

that's fucked up

[09:04:40]

reze:

yep

[09:04:52]

reze:

is the city too small for bars?

[09:05:05]

Dagmar:

No, it's too conservative for them.

[09:05:10]

reze:

wtf ?!

[09:05:15]

qu0zl:

hah there are villages in ireland with about 10 houses and the same number of pubs

[09:05:21]

qu0zl:

nowhere is too small for bars

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Dagmar:

The fun thing was that when the warehouse burned, a lot of the booze leaked into the nearby waterway and wound up in part of the city's water supply.

[09:05:37]

qu0zl:

lol

[09:05:47]

Dagmar:

I can imagine some people saw that as a gift from god until they turned off the water to clear it out

[09:05:48]

reze:

they produce one of the greatest whiskeys in the world but are too prude to drink it in the public?

[09:07:01]

reze:

wow...must have been a nice flavour....Jack Daniel's with a touch of FLAME! >:D

[09:07:20]

Dagmar:

It's east Tennessee. They don't have any problems finding things to *ahem* ingest there.

[09:07:36]

Dagmar:

Between the 'stillers and the growers...

[09:07:36]

reze:

hehe

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reze:

man, i get itchy feet when thinking about america

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Dagmar:

Yeah we have everything here now. Even the KGB.

[09:09:43]

reze:

hehe

[09:10:02]

reze:

we have your president here soon

[09:10:07]

reze:

in the north of germany

[09:10:18]

Dagmar:

Is there any way we can get you guys to take him from us sooner?

[09:10:59]

Dagmar:

Berkley, CA is having a *vote* as to whether to push for an impeachment proceeding.

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reze:

we plan on that...but the FBI's already welding all the gullies in Stralsund

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reze:

and all people in an ambit of 400km are evacuated

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alsoconfused:

when the protests start in dallas, i'll be impressed

[09:12:07]

Speedy2:

Dagmar: You're in Berkley?

[09:12:13]

Dagmar:

I wish

[09:12:37]

LabMonkey:

you do realize what impeachment does, right?

[09:12:41]

Dagmar:

Yes, I do.

[09:13:03]

Dagmar:

There needs to be *some* form of oversight on that maniac.

[09:13:18]

reze:

lol

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LabMonkey:

see, tons of Americans have this misconception that impeachment = kicked out of office

[09:13:25]

reze:

Maniac...nice word

[09:13:26]

LabMonkey:

which is not true

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Dagmar:

Where he's gotten the idea that no checks or balances apply to him, I've no idea.

[09:13:52]

alsoconfused:

cheney, rumsfeld

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Dagmar:

Yes, I'm aware that it doesn't mean being punted from office, but it can easily lead to that.

[09:14:00]

reze:

hey...he's the President of the United States! *tada!*

[09:14:00]

LabMonkey:

I knew from the start, 7 years ago that people would whine and cry about him

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alsoconfused:

9/11 was bush's reichstag fire

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Dagmar:

That he's insisted to stridently that no one should even *think* about it kind of tells me that he has something even more serious to want to hide

[09:14:46]

LabMonkey:

look the thing is

[09:14:54]

reze:

but not as half as cool as the Governor of Californ. I. A. *hasta la vista, baby!*

[09:14:56]

LabMonkey:

every president, I don't care who he is

[09:15:01]

LabMonkey:

someone is going to bitch

[09:15:14]

LabMonkey:

people are going to cry about it and scream "impeach!"

[09:15:43]

Dagmar:

Not every president runs amok with respect to following laws like this one has tho'.

[09:16:15]

Dagmar:

I mean, the eavesdropping thing was just *lame*. All he had to do was file a form within 45 days *after the fact* of ordering wiretaps and he refused to.

[09:16:49]

LabMonkey:

the point is, we don't even know who our 2007 candidates are yet, and I can assure you now that after the election it will be the same goddamned thing all over again

[09:17:00]

LabMonkey:

the problem isn't the president, it's the people

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Dagmar:

The only reason not to would be to avoid what little oversight that process does entail.

[09:17:15]

LabMonkey:

enough of us voted for him *twice*

[09:17:29]

Dagmar:

...and how many people buy lottery tickets?

[09:17:50]

Dagmar:

Just because people tend to be stupid is no reason to set the stanard lower.

[09:17:52]

LabMonkey:

which is exactly my point

[09:18:11]

LabMonkey:

the fault lies with the people

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LabMonkey:

people do stupid shit

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Speedy2:

People voted along religous lines

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Speedy2:

And they will continue to do so.

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LabMonkey:

that's not really the issue

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LabMonkey:

people fuck up

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Merlin83b:

Speedy2: I didn't get any mail from you...

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LabMonkey:

and then look for a scapegoat

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Speedy2:

Merlin83b: Let me check it should have gone

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LabMonkey:

impeaching the president just draws attention away from the fact that millions of people make bad decisions

[09:20:07]

Speedy2:

LabMonkey: The majority of peole who voted, did so along religous lines. That's why he was re-elected.

[09:20:20]

Speedy2:

Merlin83b: You're right, it didn't go out! I don't know why.

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LabMonkey:

Speedy2: that doesn't change what I said

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Dagmar:

I don't see how it draws attention away from that. What I do see is that quite possibly it could bring his behaviour back under control.

[09:21:25]

LabMonkey:

Dagmar: I disagree, but I do acknowledge that you could be correct.

[09:21:37]

Dagmar:

In another context, some of the things Bush and Cheney said to the press when the subject first came up could/would have been construed as witness-tampering.

[09:21:56]

Dagmar:

That's rather uncool, IMHO.

[09:22:07]

Speedy2:

Merlin83b: Do you want me to send my address in the mail?

[09:22:11]

Speedy2:

(postal)

[09:22:31]

Merlin83b:

Speedy2: That'd help :-)

[09:22:40]

Speedy2:

10–4, one sec

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LabMonkey:

"could/would have been construed" = manipulation (or at least contextual and possibly biased representation) of facts

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LabMonkey:

it's like on Family Guy the other night...

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Dagmar:

No, generally if you're under indictment and you say you'll ruin anyone who says anything against you, you get in deep crap

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Dagmar:

s/under/facing/

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Dagmar:

No fancy manipulation would have been needed

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LabMonkey:

the founding fathers were working on the bill of rights... "Do you think the language is clear about the right to bear arms? Oh yeah... it's perfectly clear that Americans should have the right to hang a pair of bear arms on their wall..."

[09:24:54]

Dagmar:

THey probably did make that joke at some point.

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Dagmar:

heh

[09:25:15]

Dagmar:

Probably followed up by people's right to arm bears.

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alsoconfused:

i thought it had to do with shortsleeve shirts

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LabMonkey:

that would be bare

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LabMonkey:

rather than bear

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alsoconfused:

ahh

[09:26:21]

LabMonkey:

but despite the family guy joke... the actually wording is "the right to keep and bear arms"

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Dagmar:

...to facilitate a smooth running militia, no less.

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LabMonkey:

yeah

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Dagmar:

Not like we have those, either.

[09:27:11]

LabMonkey:

but it's all contextual really

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Dagmar:

Try to form a militia and see what happens. :)

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LabMonkey:

anything you read can most likely be misunderstood given a different context than its author intended

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LabMonkey:

the English language is clumsy like that

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Speedy2:

Merlin83b: Sent, sorry about the mix up

[09:29:54]

Speedy2:

Merlin83b: Normal e-mail address is down, sent from an alternate account.

[09:30:29]

Merlin83b:

Speedy2: Got it, no problems. Will send it in about a fortnight.

[09:30:30]

LabMonkey:

oh and make no mistake that the media (whether for or against the current administration) is not presenting all the facts in the literal context in which said facts occurred.

[09:30:50]

Speedy2:

Ah, I love those expressions...fortnight :)

[09:30:53]

LabMonkey:

wth is a fortnight btw?

[09:31:01]

Merlin83b:

Um, 2 weeks.

[09:31:01]

LabMonkey:

4 weeks?

[09:31:03]

LabMonkey:

ahh

[09:31:13]

LabMonkey:

thanks

[09:31:14]

Merlin83b:

Those expressions? Do you guys not have fortnights?

[09:31:24]

LabMonkey:

negative

[09:31:29]

Merlin83b:

Heh.

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** Merlin83b *heart* English. **

[09:31:34]

LabMonkey:

what's a quid btw?

[09:31:41]

Merlin83b:

A quid is a pound of money.

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LabMonkey:

ahh

[09:32:07]

LabMonkey:

so quid = pound but not necessarily one pound currency?

[09:32:20]

Speedy2:

One pound of pure British asswhipping.

[09:32:23]

LabMonkey:

hah

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Merlin83b:

A quid is only ever money, as opposed to weight or a beating.

[09:32:50]

LabMonkey:

well I mean like four quarters is a dollar but it's not a dollar bill

[09:33:08]

Merlin83b:

Quid is not necessarily a pound coin, it's just a pound of money.

[09:33:28]

LabMonkey:

so a pound of shillings could be more than a pound?

[09:33:29]

Merlin83b:

5 quid, for instance, could be made up in many ways.

[09:33:42]

Merlin83b:

Heh, shillings haven't been around for a while :-)

[09:34:08]

Merlin83b:

And my God no. we have pence and pounds, equivalent (but worth more) to your cents and dollars.

[09:34:15]

LabMonkey:

I'd really like to move to the London area, if only for a few months or a year or two

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Merlin83b:

We do not refer to them as nickels, dimes and quarters.

[09:34:26]

Merlin83b:

Just by their value.

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Speedy2:

or fortnights, whichever is more

[09:34:39]

Merlin83b:

The word quid may be substituted for the word pound.

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qu0zl:

well, don't forget to explain how much a monkey is worth Merlin83b

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Merlin83b:

lol Speedy2.

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Merlin83b:

qu0zl: Now let's not complicate matters :-)

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qu0zl:

hehe

[09:35:33]

Merlin83b:

It is quite possible to go through life not knowing what ponies and monkeys are available.

[09:35:39]

LabMonkey:

an african swallow or a european swallow?

[09:35:51]

LabMonkey:

or was it sparrow?

[09:35:54]

LabMonkey:

hmm

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Dagmar:

Just gimme a blond with a nice northern-England accent and I'll be happy.

[09:36:02]

LabMonkey:

haven't watched MP in a long time

[09:36:02]

qu0zl:

swallow or now ;)

[09:36:03]

Dagmar:

The money can be called whatever it likes.

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qu0zl:

not

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Dagmar:

It was a sparrow.

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qu0zl:

MP?

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Merlin83b:

No.

[09:36:21]

qu0zl:

oh yeah

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Merlin83b:

Swallow.

[09:36:26]

qu0zl:

it was a swallow

[09:36:31]

Merlin83b:

LabMonkey was right first time.

[09:36:32]

LabMonkey:

I wonder if I could talk to boss into letting me open an office in the UK

[09:36:41]

Dagmar:

Oof. You're right. It's swallow

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alsoconfused:

you guys would never make it acoss the bridge

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Speedy2:

Blonde with a Russian accent. That is nice

[09:36:54]

Dagmar:

Yes we would.

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Speedy2:

Or brunette.

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LabMonkey:

but then... if I moved to London I'd have to get all kinds of power adapters for my equipment

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Dagmar:

It's because we're hostile Americans and would probably just hand the guy a grenade, sans pin, if we thought he was going to be any trouble./

[09:37:47]

LabMonkey:

what bridge?

[09:37:50]

Dagmar:

"Hmm... airspeed you say? Hmm... hold this a moment while I think about it."

[09:37:54]

Merlin83b:

LabMonkey: Adapters? Nah, buy new stuff!

[09:38:01]

LabMonkey:

oh

[09:38:01]

Merlin83b:

LabMonkey Go watch Holy Grail again :-)

[09:38:01]

LabMonkey:

nm

[09:38:04]

LabMonkey:

yeah

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LabMonkey:

it's four freaking thirty here...

[09:38:28]

LabMonkey:

my brain is less than efficient at this point of morning

[09:38:46]

LabMonkey:

yeah but I just bought and put together this new new htpc

[09:39:08]

LabMonkey:

:s/new new/nice new/

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Speedy2:

LabMonkey: What video card?

[09:40:47]

LabMonkey:

VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV36 [GeForce PCX 5750] (rev a2)

[09:40:55]

LabMonkey:

gigabyte

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LabMonkey:

was like $50

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LabMonkey:

recording on a hauppage 500

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LabMonkey:

thinking about getting another one if I start having schedule conflicts

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Speedy2:

LabMonkey: Would you do me a favor and e-mail me the result of the "xvinfo" command?

[09:41:56]

Speedy2:

LabMonkey: Is your card fanless?

[09:42:01]

LabMonkey:

uhm

[09:42:06]

LabMonkey:

no I think it has a fan...

[09:42:13]

Speedy2:

damn.

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LabMonkey:

but I'm not taking the case apart to look again

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Speedy2:

Is your system noisy?

[09:42:38]

LabMonkey:

not really

[09:42:43]

LabMonkey:

I can't hear it over my other systems

[09:42:51]

LabMonkey:

but then my switch has loud fans

[09:43:16]

Speedy2:

hrm

[09:45:14]

LabMonkey:

can I just dcc it instead?

[09:45:54]

Hotwheelz:

I was just wondering is easy to a kernel upgrade in

[09:45:54]

Hotwheelz:

[09:45:54]

Hotwheelz:

KnoppMyth

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Hotwheelz:

I was just wondering is easy to a kernel upgrade in KnoppMyth RC7 I found it a pain in B7

[09:47:00]

Speedy2:

LabMonkey: If you're asking me, sure that would be nice of you.

[09:47:25]

LabMonkey:

there ya go

[09:48:10]

Hotwheelz:

yes o

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LabMonkey:

Hotwheelz: I have no idea

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Hotwheelz:

ok

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LabMonkey:

-.-

[09:52:19]

mk500:

are all configurations for mythbackend stored in the database? or is there a conf file somewhere?

[09:52:21]

LoneShadow:

can I configure Mythphone to work on frontend with no audio i/p and a webcam ?

[09:53:07]

tfm:

mk500: only the database credentials are stored locally

[09:53:08]

Dagmar:

Probably, but there are easier ways to stalk your ex-girlfriend.

[09:53:20]

tfm:

mk500: and for mythgallery we have a local cache

[09:53:59]

LoneShadow:

heh

[09:54:12]

LoneShadow:

I have asterisk/sipura3k for my audio

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mk500:

tfm: thanks much

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LoneShadow:

and the msntv dosnt have audio in :P

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juski:

morning Merlin83b

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Merlin83b:

Hi juski

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juski:

LoneShadow: you might be able to use a USB audio thingy on the msntv

[09:56:04]

Dagmar:

You may be displeased with the difference in latency between the two devices

[09:56:14]

Dagmar:

Then again, you might watch a lot of dubbed movies and won't notice..

[09:56:19]

juski:

Merlin83b: ran into a serious problem with building minimyth. gcc won't compile

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Merlin83b:

Damn. Any idea why?

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juski:

though why it wants to build gcc all over again I dunno

[09:57:09]

Dagmar:

juski: It's gentoo-based, isn't it...

[09:57:10]

LoneShadow:

hmm, why would the latency be bad ? coz of the video data ?

[09:57:27]

Dagmar:

LoneShadow: Because the latency of the video and the latency of the audio will be *different*

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Dagmar:

It's very unlikely that they'll be in sync at any moment

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juski:

Dagmar: no, but I'm gentoo based

[09:58:26]

Dagmar:

juski: It is rebuilding gcc so that it can be more omgoptimized!

[09:58:37]

LoneShadow:

so it will be in sync if I use audio in from my front end ?

[09:58:44]

Dagmar:

You *had* to know that was coming, dude.

[09:59:00]

Dagmar:

LoneShadow; No, but it will be in sync if you use one application for both audio and video.

[09:59:05]

juski:

Dagmar: minimyth builds gcc anyway.. it builds every damn thing

[09:59:46]

LoneShadow:

can I change the sip registration to call my house # instead of fwd ?

[09:59:55]

LoneShadow:

my asterisk # I mean

[10:00:25]

juski:

here's the error: http://pastebin.ca/74689

[10:00:58]

juski:

gcc segfaults

[10:02:01]

LoneShadow:

juski: g++ kept segfaulting for me while building mythtv, reinstalled distro, trying it out again

[10:02:09]

alsoconfused:

as segfaulted, no?

[10:02:16]

Dagmar:

I suggest just lopping that part right out

[10:02:25]

juski:

no fucking way am I reinstalling this system!

[10:02:33]

LoneShadow:

heh

[10:02:34]

Dagmar:

Recompiling gcc is highly unlikely to get you any notable benefit

[10:02:36]

juski:

it _works_ in every other respect

[10:03:27]

juski:

I don't know why the build environment wants to make everything itself anyway

[10:03:28]

Dagmar:

...or it's setting CC to something stupid.

[10:03:41]

juski:

CC being?

[10:03:51]

Dagmar:

CC being a variable that tells Make where to find gcc

[10:03:59]

juski:

ah

[10:03:59]

Dagmar:

Look at lines 12/13 of your output

[10:04:14]

Dagmar:

"*** The command 'gcc -o conftest conftest.c' failed." Hello... this shoudln't happen

[10:04:19]

Dagmar:

Not unless gcc is broken to hell

[10:04:33]

juski:

it wsn;t broken last time I emerged summat

[10:04:34]

alsoconfused:

juski: is this a cross-compile?

[10:04:41]

juski:

alsoconfused: kind of

[10:04:49]

Dagmar:

It might be buried under a ton of noise, but generally make does manage to burp up a respectable suggestion in there somewhere

[10:05:03]

LoneShadow:

ok g++ crapped out on me again

[10:05:35]

juski:

another gentoo user has seen the same problem as me but Pablo, the guy behind minimyth & its gar build system, doesn't know why

[10:05:52]

LoneShadow:

fresh distro, wonder what is that about msntv hardware, which causes compiling mythtv to fail

[10:06:44]

Dagmar:

It's the parts attached to the keyboard, most likely.

[10:06:55]

Dagmar:

Second to that would be the type of CPU they're putting in there.

[10:08:40]

Dagmar:

Not all CPUs are created equally.

[10:09:51]

LoneShadow:

its a mobile celeron 733mhz cpu

[10:10:11]

juski:

hmm apparently this might be because gcc is built with SSP & PIE (wtf?)

[10:10:15]

LoneShadow:

and the parts attached to the keyboard are fine, was able to build it properly for my backend :P

[10:11:02]

Dagmar:

Ya gotta love it when things are built to use flags your CPU doens't support

[10:11:11]

LoneShadow:

hmm

[10:11:13]

Dagmar:

hinthinthint

[10:11:38]

LoneShadow:

gentoo magic ? :D

[10:12:25]

alsoconfused:

juski: if i read it correctly, it wasn't gcc itself that croaked, it was the assembler

[10:12:40]

juski:

the assembler? sounds bad

[10:13:16]

juski:

this is in danger of going way over my head. Other people just download the tarball, unpack it & away they go.

[10:13:33]

Merlin83b:

Don't give up, juski!

[10:13:33]

alsoconfused:

ok

[10:14:25]

LoneShadow:

http://pastebin.ca/74693

[10:14:32]

LoneShadow:

anyone know what this might be ?

[10:15:11]

Dagmar:

Love gcc 4.0 bugs

[10:15:43]

Hoxzer:

http://blondie89.org/~netman87/kannettava/ <- lol, somebody has found actually some USE for his laptop

[10:16:02]

alsoconfused:

juski: LoneShadow did you run out of disk space?

[10:16:12]

alsoconfused:

that was to LoneShadow

[10:16:17]

LoneShadow:

na

[10:16:22]

LoneShadow:

have lots of space

[10:16:36]

LoneShadow:

its a nfs boot front end box

[10:16:52]

LoneShadow:

wonder if cpu is getting overheated or something

[10:17:11]

LoneShadow:

there is some comment on mythtv.org documentation about cpu overheating and causing segfaults

[10:18:05]

Dagmar:

hoxer: I don't get it

[10:18:19]

Dagmar:

hoxer: So he likes to flirt with electrocution. What's so special about that?

[10:19:04]

LoneShadow:

alsoconfused: I just chrooted to /mnt/*frontend* on my backend machine and compiling it from there, it seems to be compiling better now

[10:19:10]

Dagmar:

I mean, unless you're into seeing just how many pieces you can tear off a notebook before it stops working, I don't get it

[10:19:11]

LoneShadow:

wonder if its cpu overheating

[10:19:56]

Dagmar:

LoneShadow: Does it do it the same way and in the same place if you run make again? If it does then it's unlikely there's anything wrong with the hardware.

[10:20:09]

alsoconfused:

LoneShadow: are the versions of qt the same?

[10:20:21]

Dagmar:

Why Gentoo users think you can just throw a version fo gcc and binutils and glibc together and have them work reliably, I have *no* idea

[10:20:28]

LoneShadow:

if I run make again, it starts compiling , and after 5–10 .c files, it croaks again

[10:20:41]

Dagmar:

...but does it *die in the same place* and *for the same reason*?

[10:20:53]

LoneShadow:

I gave up today morning after it failed like 10 times, and reinstalled the distro thinking something is corrupted

[10:21:21]

LoneShadow:

so there is a progress, painfully slow progress

[10:21:32]

Dagmar:

If a build fails at some random point, and you issue the make command again to restart it, and it dies in a *different* place, the cause is almost always broken hardware.

[10:21:44]

Dagmar:

Either fried RAM or CPU.

[10:21:52]

Dagmar:

This is why I kept asking the same question of you over and over.

[10:21:57]

LoneShadow:

hmm

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Dagmar:

If the failure is _regular_ it's usually software.

[10:22:18]

Dagmar:

If it's _irregular_ (dies in different places) then it's usually hardware.

[10:22:40]

Dagmar:

If you actually compiled the rest of the system on this fried hardware, it's time to wipe the drive and start over.

[10:22:56]

alsoconfused:

indeed

[10:23:06]

LoneShadow:

the other reason which made me think it could be software was that when I tried compiling from the P-II nfs server, it had the same effect

[10:23:19]

LoneShadow:

now I am using my backed P-4 as nfs server

[10:23:25]

Hoxzer:

Geez, I love my Boss ^^

[10:23:31]

Hoxzer:

:D keeps me without Work

[10:23:43]

Hoxzer:

I can just drink coffee and figure out whats wrong with my box

[10:24:06]

Hoxzer:

My contract will end tomorrow (so this is a summer job I'm not getting fired)

[10:24:14]

Dagmar:

LoneShadow: Take advantage of my extensive experience building things from source on many many platforms that aren't even Linux without the benefit of someone else's shiny, happy build scripts and read what I said.

[10:25:55]

LoneShadow:

I am not sure what you mean ? are you saying wipe the entire hdd and start over ?

[10:26:02]

Dagmar:

Scroll up and read.

[10:26:37]

Dagmar:

I've only been trying to tell you something for the last 20 lines or so of what I've typed.

[10:27:03]

LoneShadow:

that there might be something wrong with either the cpu or ram

[10:27:24]

alsoconfused:

and how to know if that's the case

[10:27:51]

LoneShadow:

and that is ?

[10:28:09]

Dagmar:

SCroll up and read.

[10:28:09]

alsoconfused:

is the failure perfectly repeatable?

[10:28:44]

alsoconfused:

if it fails in the same file at the same line, every time, hot or cold, it's probably software.

[10:28:52]

alsoconfused:

if it's random, it's hardware

[10:29:15]

LoneShadow:

not the same file, it is random, but it fails even when I try to compile it from my backend using chroot on the partition

[10:29:28]

Dagmar:

Then your hardware is fried.

[10:29:31]

Dagmar:

Congratulations.

[10:29:38]

LoneShadow:

so to answer the other part, I did not compile anything else, everything is ubuntu packages which were installed

[10:29:51]

Dagmar:

Go to http://www.memtest86.org and download a copy and start by running an overnight test of the RAM.

[10:30:02]

LoneShadow:

how can all my PCs be fried ? :)

[10:30:12]

Dagmar:

Until you figure out what part of your hardware is fried there is no point in continuing to use it for anything.

[10:30:20]

alsoconfused:

i've found a good way to expose hardware probs is to run md5sum on big files, over and over

[10:30:36]

Dagmar:

alsoconfused: That'll find broken cache in a white-hot hurry I'd imagine

[10:30:48]

alsoconfused:

all kinds of stuff

[10:30:57]

alsoconfused:

flakey io, etc

[10:31:01]

LoneShadow:

infact I did most of my install using debootstrap and chroot on my nfs server

[10:31:24]

LoneShadow:

the only part I used my frontend was to install some qt and other required packages to compile mythtv

[10:31:43]

Dagmar:

Yes, well, this is what you get for being careless about protecting a single devel box.

[10:32:15]

LoneShadow:

I guess I am not clear enough to express my problems

[10:32:22]

Dagmar:

If you haven't figured out the meaning of "if the build fails in the same place every time" by now, you have a learning disability you should be telling people about up front.

[10:32:27]

LoneShadow:

we both are talking in different frequencies :)

[10:32:51]

Dagmar:

Yes. Strangely, I'm speaking English.

[10:32:55]

alsoconfused:

LoneShadow: you're using spread spectrum

[10:33:10]

Dagmar:

alsoconfused: Unstable xtal

[10:33:40]

Dagmar:

Disabilities are things that it does no good to hide.

[10:33:45]

LoneShadow:

well thanks for your help, I will figure it out the problem

[10:33:51]

LabMonkey:

ok now I'm pissed

[10:33:58]

Dagmar:

It's like taking directions from a dyslexic. If they dont' say anything, you just wind up lost as hell.

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alsoconfused:

easy Dagmar he's trying.

[10:34:29]

Dagmar:

Okay, we can try a different tack then...

[10:34:44]

Dagmar:

What part of "fails the same way every time" is confusing?

[10:35:20]

LoneShadow:

the part where it fails the same way on all my pcs for this partition

[10:35:36]

Dagmar:

If you type `make` and it starts building and then dies at a certain point, you type `make` again. If the second time it dies in the same place, then it's failing in the same place because it's failed in the same place.

[10:35:41]

LoneShadow:

and all the packages were installed, and only mythtv is being compiled

[10:35:54]

LoneShadow:

and most of these packages were not even installed on the client machine

[10:36:01]

juski:

LoneShadow: did you check the md5sum of the install cd ?

[10:36:29]

LoneShadow:

juski: the frontend is msntv, its an embedded machine, using that to nfs boot

[10:36:56]

LoneShadow:

so did not use a cd, just used debootstrap and installed the OS from internet

[10:36:58]

juski:

not a cramfs making you run out of ram is it?

[10:38:26]

LoneShadow:

just did make clean and running make from my backend, will see how it will be

[10:38:31]

LoneShadow:

thanks again, time to sleep, later

[10:41:22]

alsoconfused:

i'm so happy to have a stable system again after subtly breaking X11!

[10:44:51]

Dagmar:

Bleh after doing a TON of google searches I can't find a thing that would indicate gcc 4.0.x is unreliable on an NFS-mounted filesystem.

[10:45:59]

Dagmar:

Same goes for subtle shortcomings of the mobile variant of the celeron

[10:46:30]

alsoconfused:

Dagmar: clock sync is ok

[10:46:34]

alsoconfused:

?

[10:46:40]

kayelem:

Dagmar, the latter's good to know as I'm getting an msntv2 shortly, to use as a myth frontend...

[10:47:48]

kayelem:

I'm still on gcc 3.4.6 on all machines though (I use distccd)

[10:48:09]

Dagmar:

I was hoping to find something like the VIA C3 CPUs that are missing certain CPU flags that make then generally unsuitable for binaries built for the i686 arch

[10:48:32]

Dagmar:

That doesn't necessarily mean that that's not what's at work here

[10:48:33]

Hoxzer:

what do you think about a guy that calls him self "1337"?

[10:48:51]

Dagmar:

Hoxzer I think that that unless he's been on IRC for about 10 years or so that he's just a kid.

[10:49:24]

Hoxzer:

:)

[10:49:33]

kayelem:

Dagmar, so it's likely I can (with gentoo) just build for i686 and it'll be ok on the mobile celery, i guess.

[10:49:35]

alsoconfused:

Dagmar: are you seeing illegal instructions?

[10:49:41]

Hoxzer:

But when I got home

[10:49:45]

Hoxzer:

I install FC5

[10:49:48]

Dagmar:

I'm sticking with gcc 3.3.6 until something comes up that proves it unsuitable for continued use

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Hoxzer:

And then party

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Dagmar:

alsoconfused: no, but Lone might be

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Dagmar:

The errors that we were seeing from people using VIA C3 CPUs with dropline weren't as obvious as one might think.

[10:50:35]

kayelem:

Dagmar, same here, though with 3.4.6. I'm currently unsure about gcc 4; i don't regard it as having been around long enough yet.

[10:51:19]

Dagmar:

They're why the dropline installer specifically looks at the flags: line from /proc/cpuinfo and will call foul if certain known-to-be-important ones are missing.

[10:52:06]

alsoconfused:

right, as long as you're building on the target systems

[10:52:42]

Dagmar:

alsoconfused: Yeah, and in his case, if I understood him correctly, he's using binaries that were built specifically on another machine, for that machine, over NFS

[10:52:54]

Dagmar:

That could very well be inviting that class of problem.

[10:53:10]

alsoconfused:

i was referring to what you just said, but then noticed you were talking about installtime.

[10:53:49]

** kayelem nods... I'm likely to be building on another system though – but with a second installation of gentoo (to be nfs mounted) with flags set specifically for the msntv2. I've not got it yet but think i can prepare for its arrival. **

[10:54:18]

JimBowen:

hail; I am trying to get a myth client running on my brother's 1.4GHz Athlon (non-XP), and it seems too slow.. I have compiled with --enable-proc-opt and the chip does have MMX and 3DNow, though no SSE.. It still won't display tv at an acceptable framerate even on 800x600 resolution.. It is connected to the server via 100mbps ethernet, so that can't be the problem. Anyone know how I could optimise it further?

[10:54:32]

kayelem:

I do not expect code built for Athlon XP to work on a mobile celeron... hence a seperate installation.

[10:54:37]

alsoconfused:

if in doubt, build for the lowest common denominator

[10:56:01]

Speedy2:

JimBowen: Did you test playback with DVDs, etc?

[10:56:16]

kayelem:

JimBowen, I've run a mythtv frontend on an 800MHz Duron successfully at 720x576; so you definitely have a problem.

[10:56:24]

alsoconfused:

JimBowen: i had decent results using an athlon 800

[10:56:32]

JimBowen:

Speedy2: No, the machine does not have a working dvd drive, but it will play fullscreen DivX

[10:56:55]

Speedy2:

JimBowen: Can you play a DVD over the network and observe your CPU utilization? What video card are you using?

[10:57:34]

alsoconfused:

JimBowen: this is playback only, right? no capture?

[10:57:41]

JimBowen:

Speedy2: Not tried over the network.. You mean VideoLAN? The vid card is a Radeon X700, sadly.. But fglrx works.

[10:57:58]

JimBowen:

alsoconfused: Yes just playback

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JimBowen:

alsoconfused: capture works fine and plays on my laptop over a wireless connection from the same server without problems

[10:58:35]

alsoconfused:

try playing the file via nfs with mplayer

[10:58:55]

JimBowen:

alsoconfused: will do, brb

[10:59:06]

Speedy2:

JimBowen: You're using the ATI proprietary driver?

[10:59:15]

JimBowen:

Speedy2: Yes. :(

[10:59:18]

Speedy2:

JimBowen: Does your "xvinfo" show valid information?

[10:59:30]

Speedy2:

I tried ATI binary recently and it by default didn't enable overlay

[10:59:51]

JimBowen:

Speedy2: Lots of info, too much to paste here, what am I looking for?

[11:00:14]

Speedy2:

overlay

[11:00:31]

JimBowen:

Adaptor #1: "NV17 Video Overlay"

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Speedy2:

uhh

[11:00:48]

Speedy2:

You said Radeon...NV == nvidia

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JimBowen:

oh hang on, wriong session.. :@ I have X forwarded on ssh :P

[11:01:29]

JimBowen:

so that'd be talking to -my- xserver

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JimBowen:

screen #0

[11:02:13]

JimBowen:

no adaptors present

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JimBowen:

;_;

[11:02:24]

Speedy2:

ah-hah

[11:02:30]

Speedy2:

Well

[11:02:40]

Speedy2:

Are you directly on that machine, or is this through x forwarding?

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JimBowen:

this is through export DISPLAY=0.0, I can run glxgears and apparently get 2543 fps

[11:03:33]

JimBowen:

:0.0, that is

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Speedy2:

Ok, so you're ON the machine with the ATI card? No forwarding, etc?

[11:04:16]

Dagmar:

Well, overlay definitely won't work with an exported display

[11:04:24]

JimBowen:

no I am on another machine, but connected to the machine's local xserver not this one, I am just not looking at the display.. I'll go to that machine then

[11:04:28]

alsoconfused:

0.0

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JimBowen:

no, myth doesn't work locally. I'm just lazy

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JimBowen:

brb

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Speedy2:

JimBowen: Well, if xvinfo doesn't list anything and you goto that machine, then add this to your x11.conf (xorg.conf) : Option "VideoOverlay" "on" under the "Device" section

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JimBowen_:

right I'm on my brother's machine, same xvinfo output

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Speedy2:

ok

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Speedy2:

JimBowen: Well, if xvinfo doesn't list anything and you goto that machine, then add this to your x11.conf (xorg.conf) : Option "VideoOverlay" "on" under the "Device" section

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juski:

nothing quite like doing resolution testing to make a guy hungry

[11:15:31]

** kayelem smiles sweetly at juski... soooo... that TV encoder looks pretty... intersting? **

[11:16:19]

JimBowen:

w00t. Cheers Speedy2. :)

[11:16:21]

JimBowen:

It works now

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Speedy2:

:)

[11:16:30]

Speedy2:

I fscking knew it

[11:16:33]

Speedy2:

ATI blows

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juski:

kayelem: yup. not 'interesting' in the same way as measuring video resolution though

[11:16:44]

JimBowen:

yeah, they do. @:

[11:17:25]

Speedy2:

Too bad nVidia has PULLED overlay support...grumble.

[11:17:31]

JimBowen:

heh and only 24% cpu use now too :)

[11:17:31]

** juski never doubted it for a minute that they suck **

[11:18:11]

JimBowen:

wtf they pulled it? :(

[11:18:14]

JimBowen:

damn

[11:18:15]

juski:

nvidia could bring overlay support back at any time.. or not.

[11:18:28]

Speedy2:

JimBowen: On the newest PCI-Express cards they HAVE pulled video overlay support.

[11:18:29]

juski:

they do what they like

[11:18:33]

JimBowen:

so how come it works fine on nvidia cards?

[11:18:35]

JimBowen:

oh

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Speedy2:

They support XvMC but I'm not sure if that helps

[11:19:11]

JimBowen:

well I only have AGP NVidia cards.. so that's ok I suppose

[11:19:21]

juski:

anyway why's it such a big deal that they pulled overlay support?

[11:19:28]

JimBowen:

hmm, do the older cards support XvMC?

[11:19:38]

Merlin83b:

PiP?

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Merlin83b:

Doesn't that only work with overlay?

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juski:

JimBowen: everything GF4 + supports xvmc

[11:19:59]

juski:

PiP? wtf cares about PiP? ;-)

[11:20:13]

Merlin83b:

Hehe

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Speedy2:

GF4 does motion compensation but not IDCT. >GF4 does IDCT too

[11:20:23]

Speedy2:

So basically the golden cards are the 5xxx series

[11:20:27]

Merlin83b:

Never used it since it doesn't work under UniChrome

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JimBowen:

The next machine I'm going to try getting myth to run on is a 400MHz celeron with a Herculese Dynamite TNT card.. The celeron should be ok, i reckon it'll do a quarter of the speed of that Athlon, but the card might not like it

[11:21:15]

JimBowen:

priobably hopeless lol

[11:21:30]

Speedy2:

heh

[11:21:48]

Speedy2:

The DRX3 cards have TV-out and hardware MPEG2 decoder

[11:21:54]

Speedy2:

Supposedly they have excellent TV-out quality too

[11:22:03]

Speedy2:

Dunno if they work under Myth

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GreyFoxx:

They don't

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GreyFoxx:

I use to use one years ago with some custom mods, but lost the code (and modified X driver) to a dead harddrive I hadn't backed up

[11:23:07]

Speedy2:

How well did it work?

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Hoxzer:

Well I use GF2 which sucks

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GreyFoxx:

Well enough for me to use it for 6 months in a frontend :)

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Hoxzer:

TV-overscan just doesnt WORK

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Hoxzer:

^^ asked nvidia about it

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juski:

people keep saying 'excellent tv out quality', forgetting that VGA cards' TV outs are really very good these days

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Hoxzer:

they said "tv-overscan is only supported by GF4 or newer cards"

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Hoxzer:

AND i WAS LIke wtf?

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Hoxzer:

and :D nvtv <3

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juski:

and they were like "2so buy a new card you skinflint kid"

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Hoxzer:

:D THey actually said I have to buy new card

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Speedy2:

juski: I'd build a VGA-to-NTSC adaptor, but that doesn't solve my lack of overlay support. The built-in 810 video won't do interlaced modelines. Hosed either way

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Hoxzer:

Yuep

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juski:

Speedy2: try Intel's binary driver. the xorg one is kinda sucky

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Speedy2:

juski: Does it do interlaced modelines?

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juski:

I think it does

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Speedy2:

juski: Do you have a rig to test it out on?

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juski:

Speedy2: yeah but...

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Speedy2:

the msntv2 thing?

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juski:

s100

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Speedy2:

??

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/s100/

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Hoxzer:

But guys

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Hoxzer:

Nothing

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Hoxzer:

Speedy2: what distro do u use?

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Speedy2:

Gobolinux

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juski:

Hoxzer: wtf do you keep asking people that? shees just get a clue & use that to choose a distro

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Speedy2:

juski: Did you h0x0r up the VGA out, or are you using the built-in TV encoder?

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Speedy2:

That's a cool little machine

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Hoxzer:

juski: :D I Like to ask things even without specific purpose for it

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juski:

Speedy2: you don't get the BIOS stuff out of the TV encoder so I had to make a VGA cable up fer it

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Speedy2:

Got it

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juski:

Speedy2: read the IEGD driver documentation. all you need to know is in there

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juski:

page 152

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Dagmar:

juski: Does it, perchance, use an AWARD or AMI bios?

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Dagmar:

Oh, I see. AMI.

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Dagmar:

You din't quite need to make a VGA cable. Maybe.

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Dagmar:

Yuck That's the bloatificated one

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juski:

Dagmar: oh I verily did need to maketh a cable

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Hoxzer:

Dagmar: what distro do u use?

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Dagmar:

Hoxer: MyDamnLinux

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Hoxzer:

löl wierd name

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juski:

Hoxzer: is a f'in weird name if you ask me but hey

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juski:

;-)

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Hoxzer:

:( you guys are joking with me

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juski:

so?

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Dagmar:

juski: I've gotten stuck enough times that I've actually become relatively unafraid of shoving something into a box to just go stuff values in the BIOS without dorking with the setup menus

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juski:

if you ask silly questions why is it such a surprise to get silly answers?

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juski:

Dagmar: yeah well this BIOS is a bit weird in that respect

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Dagmar:

I was thinking there might have been a simple (but not straightforward way) to get the thing to boot of some media to change BIOS data without using the menu

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juski:

Dagmar: blech. my soldering is A1, so why not just make a cable? ;-)

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Dagmar:

If you can snatch an image of the BIOS, their happy (and useless) little BIOS editor definitely lets you know what the BIOS stores where

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juski:

took 15 minuts or so

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Dagmar:

Yeah if you can make a cable in 15m then screw doing it the hard way. heh

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Dagmar:

You probably don't care but the BIOSes with that silly cylon crap at the top seem to usually have like 8K space free in them.

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Dagmar:

Not really enough to wedge a boot splash in there unless you're *that* fond of a Happy Mac logo

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juski:

I do care that none of them have enough free space for a whole linux kernel ;-)

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Dagmar:

I *finally* got one into my ASRock board, and then just took it out ten minutes later.

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Dagmar:

I wish I knew why those BIOSes are so damn large

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Dagmar:

The older AMI boards would have something like 30–40k free in them

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Dagmar:

That hardware looks a bit like the MSNTv boxes. Any relation?

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juski:

Dagmar: nah

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juski:

very similar though

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juski:

wish I had a damn clue about this CC variable problemo

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juski:

aha! main_compiler_prefix ?= $(GARHOST)-

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juski:

and aha! main_CC= $(main_compiler_prefix)gcc

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juski:

that might need fettling

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scopeuk:

good news everybody im not feeling any where near as bitchy this morning im well rested and ive had my does of cafine

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Dagmar:

That's what *you* think.

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scopeuk:

Dagmar last night i layed into a guy becouse hew came in wit ha compile problem that was his own fault

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scopeuk:

thats the sort of stupid mistake i make

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scopeuk:

eg wasent even myth related

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scopeuk:

im feelign much better this morning

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Dagmar:

There's organ banks that are really in need of donors.

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D-side:

that wasn't a mistake.

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D-side:

you were right on target with that guy. that was an obscenely silly question.

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Dagmar:

If he's not usin' his brain, then someone could SURELy make use of those kidneys or a liver.

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D-side:

Dagmar: i like the way you operate.

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laga:

re

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Hoxzer:

re

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Hoxzer:

re means?

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D-side:

Either "welcome back" or "I'm back"

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D-side:

laga: howdy. interesting domain you've got there. :)

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laga:

D-side: wanna buy it? ;))

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D-side:

heh

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D-side:

no thanks, my german is nonexistant :)

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roger55:

hi laga, you have a s100 streamingbox too, right?

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jams:

laga has all the toys

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roger55:

heh

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roger55:

I wonder if I blindly set the bios to not boot win ce, if it would boot from usb

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laga:

roger55: yep

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roger55:

and the other question would be if there is some zenslack or other image that autmatically sets up networking, lan or wlan and starts sshd with a known password

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laga:

roger55: uh, dunno. :)

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laga:

roger55: just get a vga cable :)

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roger55:

laga, too lazy to buy. too clumsy to build :)

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roger55:

oh well I probably make one this weekend, just thought I'd go the easy route.

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roger55:

laga, do you use it as mythfrontend or something else?

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laga:

roger55: i don't use it at all at the moment :/

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laga:

and, umm, it's a bitch to get into the BIOS :/

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roger55:

laga, hmm I'll try.

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trentster:

anyone know of any decent mirrors for knoppmyth

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scopeuk:

the ones on the site are prety good and the torrent is very healthy

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juski:

it's not a bitch to get into the BIOS.. least not for me with my...

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juski:

magic fingers (tm)

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D-side:

roger55: so how much mail have you gotten from would-be testers?

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juski:

roger55: stay tuned for the s100 distro.. I'm working on it

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juski:

diskless, gets IP from DHCP & boots with nfsroot

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roger55:

juski, let's see who gets it done first :)

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juski:

who gets it done? you working on one?

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D-side:

s100?

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roger55:

juski, haha not yet.

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D-side:

more toys i dont have? :/

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juski:

mine is guaranteed to be about 128MB

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juski:

I could give you a 1GB image of my gentoo nfsroot though

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juski:

prolly way less than that archived

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D-side:

it'd have to be.

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roger55:

juski, if you remove the portage files, docs and kernel sources you can cut down a lot I guess

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juski:

nowhere near as small as 128MB though

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roger55:

juski, you're working with ROOT= emerge ... ?

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D-side:

whats this s100 you speak of? I've never heard of it and already i need one.

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roger55:

D-side, a streaming box for ip-tv or pay per view from t-online in germany

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juski:

roger55: what? just rootfs mounted over nfs

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/s100/

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D-side:

roger55: oh. useless in the US then? :/

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roger55:

juski, http://gentoo-wiki.com/TinyGentoo is the approach I meant

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juski:

expensive to shjip there, but not useless

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D-side:

specs wise this looks near identical to the msntv2 box GreyFoxx was talking about yesterday.

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D-side:

juski: i meant pal vs ntsc

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juski:

D-side: it does both

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roger55:

D-side, it's basically a computer celeron M, 54mbit wlan on minipci, IR remote and *fanless*

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D-side:

scart? interesting thing to play with.

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juski:

I've not messed with the wireless and I'm not likely to

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D-side:

oooh wlan.

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roger55:

D-side, includes the wlan antenna. :)

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juski:

'G' wireless though

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D-side:

wonder how much i could get one for

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juski:

about Â£35 plus shipping

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roger55:

juski, before you throw the wlan away, I'd like to mod my thinkpad with it :)

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D-side:

thats not bad.

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sixy:

using alsa output i get sound in the os and in myth when playing music but not when watching live tv – anyone else had this problem?

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juski:

I didn't say anything about chucking it away

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Merlin83b:

You're going to hit 128MB, juski? Thought you were struggling with slimming it down?

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juski:

Merlin83b: I'll get minimyth building eventually

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juski:

maybe not on my gentoo box, but I'll do it

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Merlin83b:

:>

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juski:

hell I could even hack minimyth as it is now – no building. might have a go at that

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juski:

all it'll take is modifying a shedload of files & copying the IEGD libs in there

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Merlin83b:

:-)

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Merlin83b:

I look forward to it.

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Merlin83b:

(still)

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juski:

even more extreme – I could just keep on deleting shite from the nfsroot til it stops working, then add whatever broke it back in :-D

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sixy:

does the live tv get its audio setting from the settings > general box?

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Merlin83b:

Hehe

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D-side:

er. qt4 + mythtv = bad, right?

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GreyFoxx:

right

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D-side:

well i better mask this fast. :)

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D-side:

phew. that was a close one.

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juski:

heh

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D-side:

i think i'll put in the latest vmware server though.

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juski:

oh faq. I have to order some PSU 'Y' cables from RS.. Â£0.93 each! Good job I only need 100

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D-side:

i'd think they'd be cheaper in bulk from other places.

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juski:

yeah.. if we didn't need them like yesterday, for sure

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scopeuk:

dont rs prety much rip you off for everything

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scopeuk:

eg only use em when you cant get something anywhere else

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scopeuk:

hel even my local computer fair is cheaper than that

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juski:

yeh but we don't have accounts with the local crappy suppliers anymore

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juski:

and if you saw the forms I'd have to fill in to get a credit card order placed...

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sixy:

ok found it. appears some sound cards dont work with myth tv's internal volume control if anyone is interested

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juski:

just love working for a big firm

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sixy:

*sound cards should have read tv cards

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juski:

sixy: if you mean that myth doesn't unmute some software encoding cards – a lot of people are already aware of that ;-) though why myth hasn't been modified to account for it ....

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sixy:

no i dont mean that :)

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makomk:

#

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juski:

I thought myth just wanged the line input volume control for software encoder cards anyway

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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j2^:

Good afternoon!

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LabMonkey:

ok

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LabMonkey:

live tv has sound, recordings do not... what gives?

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juski:

stuarta: arternoon

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juski:

LabMonkey: is the livetv sound in sync?

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juski:

if yes, check yer recording profiles

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juski:

if no, set the channel the tv tuner audio is connected to, to be recorded in the salsa-mixer thingy

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juski:

(and mute the playback of that channel).

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LabMonkey:

juski: looks like it, yeah

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LabMonkey:

juski: the sound sounds in sync, but it's like this

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LabMonkey:

the other night I had no sound on recordings after I had tried changing the sample rate to 48000

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kslater:

family was away so I took the opportunity to drop in a newish mythbox (.19 from MythDora). now I need to get the recorded shows from the old box onto the new. Can Nuvexport do this?

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LabMonkey:

when I discovered that it wouldn't work at 48000 I went to change it back to 32000 and it wouldn't let me

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LabMonkey:

after fighting with it for a couple of hours I just bit the bullet and shut down the backend, then editted the database to set the proper sample rate

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LabMonkey:

now when I go to change the sample rate it lets me change it, and it is set to 32000 which was working fine before I jacked with it

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juski:

ah ivtv eh..

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LabMonkey:

yeah

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LabMonkey:

hauppage 500

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juski:

dunno then

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LabMonkey:

maybe if I reboot?

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juski:

try reloading the ivtv modules first

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LabMonkey:

or at least unload and reload the ivtv modules?

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LabMonkey:

yeah

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juski:

there's this myth (IMHO) that pvr cards can 'store' volatile settings. i think it's bullshit but there's anecdotal evidence that says otherwise

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sixy:

juski – that would tally with my experiance of graphics cards – who also have a tendancy to store settings even through power cycles

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sixy:

but my suspicion is that the setting sare actually stored in the driver somehow rather than on the pysical card

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juski:

hmmm

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stuarta:

hmmm indeed

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juski:

unless the card's registers are powered from the +5v standby rail, there's little chance of it

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sixy:

exactly. and some settings remain even after complete power off

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LabMonkey:

this is also happening:

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juski:

oh and unless the cards have honking massive capacitors storing charge... (which they generally don't since they're built to a cost)

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LabMonkey:

mythfrontend -v all >frontend.txt

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scales:

anyone use myth on ubuntu?

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sixy:

do >& instead of >

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juski:

sacles: yup. built with my own fair compiliery fingers

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LabMonkey:

*** glibc detected *** free(): invalide pointer: 0x00002af4ae637555

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LabMonkey:

Aborted

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scales:

juski: interesting. i just got my pvr150, and microsoft remote, and i was thinking that maybe ubuntu would be a better newbie linux distro

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scales:

than fedora core 5

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sixy:

labmonkey – have you tried playing your recordings in another external media player to see if tis a recording or playback issue?

[15:43:25]

LabMonkey:

yes

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sixy:

scales: fc5 has quite a few odd quirks, but it has jarods guide which is probably the most complete myth guide out there

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LabMonkey:

it's a recording issue

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juski:

sixy: yup. on one hand, the most comprehensive howto on the planet. on the other hand.. dependency foobar hell

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sixy:

ok, well i know that hauppauge cards handle doun output differently to many cards – they combine the video and audio in one stream

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sixy:

doun = audio

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scales:

well jarods guide certainly did help me get mythtv up and running on fc5, but there were a few other things, such as an external drive automounting as root, networking issues, that just made some aspects a pain

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scales:

i cannot say that ubuntu is better, but i was just looking into it. currently i have dapper installed with glx and it is just so neat!

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LabMonkey:

well

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sixy:

scales – those sort of issues are likely to be not much better under ubunto imo

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LabMonkey:

it's like this

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LabMonkey:

it worked just fine

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LabMonkey:

until I changed two things

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sixy:

what did you change other than sample rate?

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LabMonkey:

a) I set the audio sample rate to 48000 (and then back to 32000 after fighting with it)

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juski:

LabMonkey: changing the samplerate in livetv wouldn't affect the default recording profile

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LabMonkey:

and b) I upgraded to revision 10281

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LabMonkey:

juski: I changed the sample rate on both default and livetv profiles

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LabMonkey:

when the audio stopped working I switched it back to 32000 on the livetv

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juski:

try recording with a different profile as an experiment.. i.e. one you didn't mess with

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LabMonkey:

and then it wouldn't let me change it back on the default profile

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LabMonkey:

brb, phone

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sixy:

32khz is unusual – try 44.1khz

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kayelem:

for analogue terrestrial TV, 32kHz is enough; broadcast only goes to 16kHz anyway...

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LabMonkey:

I have two options

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LabMonkey:

32 and 48

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kayelem:

I'm not sure if this is true everywhere, mind; and i'm not sure what they're up to on digital TV

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juski:

32khz sounded like SSB on every other recording so I had to change it to 48khz

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sixy:

are you using alsa output

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kayelem:

Sample a higher bandwidth than your incoming audio and you just add noise.

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juski:

kayelem: 48khz is standard on freeview

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** juski realises not eveyrone will know what ssb sounds like.. heh **

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LabMonkey:

recording on high quality profile now

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kayelem:

juski, thought it sounded good on my hifi – speakers the Druids could use as a place of worship that do 15Hz to 40kHz... :-D

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stuarta:

ssb sounds like donald duck

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kayelem:

juski, knocks the socks off analogue NICAM terrestrial, anyway.

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LabMonkey:

no audio on high quality

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juski:

kayelem: when it's not clipped you mean

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juski:

(!)

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kayelem:

juski, heh, I've used SSB – radio ham here :)

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juski:

you might';ve spoken to G3 PITA who works here :-P

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RandomDude15:

whats the command to record in mythtv while your watching live tv and then stop?/

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kayelem:

juski, hmm... never noticed it being clipped...

[15:53:15]

kayelem:

juski, probably not, I've not been active for a while...

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juski:

kayelem: I have.. and on DAB too. all gone to hell since the IBA was disbanded

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LabMonkey:

no audio when recorded with Live TV profile either

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LabMonkey:

so now I'm betting it's a mixer thing

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kayelem:

juski, I've heard things about DAB – I'll stick with VHF for now, ta...

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sixy:

if using alsa check where your tv cards output is being dmix'd to

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juski:

LabMonkey: it can't be a mixer thing with ivtv.. can it?

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sixy:

but that _shouldnt_ have been affected....

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juski:

kayelem: oh yeah.. til the great big VHF band sell-orf in 2080 or whatever :-P

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kayelem:

juski, I gather with DAB, they *could* broadcast high quality, but choose to cram more channels in instead :-|

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juski:

kayelem: same for freeview.

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** kayelem nods a lot **

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LabMonkey:

sixy: dmix'ed?

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juski:

which sounds worse? 128kbit mp2 or 256kbiut mp2 ?

[15:55:30]

sixy:

kayelem: correct. thats why ariston left the dvb head groupy thing

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juski:

;-)

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kayelem:

juski, I guess i should nail a wok to a south-facing wall and shove a DVB-S card in the box.

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sixy:

labmonkey – dmix is now enabled by defualt in alsa

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sixy:

its a (complex) software mixer

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juski:

DVB-T radio is 256k @ '48khz I think

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LabMonkey:

yes but how do I determine the answer to your question?

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juski:

but you can't get XFM on DVb-T yet

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stuarta:

which I would *love*

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sixy:

open ~/.mythtc/.asoundrc

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sixy:

or possibly /etc/asoundrc

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LabMonkey:

I have /etc/asound.state

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sixy:

and post contents >> pastebin

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sixy:

yeah thats silghtly different

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kayelem:

juski, most of my *serious* music listening is done from vinyl anyway, the One True Source of high-fidelity music :-D (waits for digital v. analogue flamewar...)

[15:58:20]

sixy:

hi-fidelity is the wrong word. but it definately sounds nicer

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stuarta:

did you hear about the bloke who picked up and old vinyl mastering machine and proceeded to record his mp3's onto it???

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sixy:

LOL!

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RandomDude15:

someone tell me the commands to record for a few seconds then stop recording?

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stuarta:

watch live tv

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sixy:

record / stop ??

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RandomDude15:

yeah

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kayelem:

"hi-fi" is such an abused term; I have a 1973 portable Russian mono radio which sounds better than a lot of so-called "hi-fi systems" I've heard...

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RandomDude15:

Im watching live tv and want to record a clip

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juski:

vestax make a vinyl burner. I'm not kidding

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RandomDude15:

to test

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stuarta:

enter live tv = record, exit live tv = stop

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LabMonkey:

sixy: so is asound.state not what we're looking for?

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sixy:

kaylem: very much so.

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juski:

RandomDude15: look in the FM for the R key

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kayelem:

stuarta, sheesh.... mp3... onto vinyl... err... point, missed...!

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sixy:

labmonkey – no. if there is no asoundrc file in etc then it s a hidden file either in your home directory or in .mythtv

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juski:

vinyl sounds lush, until.. I've had my hands on it a few times

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stuarta:

kayelem: I think it was more from a geek sense of irony....

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kayelem:

stuarta, ahh... I suppose i can understand that. I could think of more constructive uses for a record cutting lathe.

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LabMonkey:

find / -name *asoundrc

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juski:

cd could sound better than it does if it's mastered properly.. but when is it ever that?

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sixy:

laserdisc :)

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LabMonkey:

finds nothing

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kayelem:

stuarta, it'd go nicely with my studio mastering tape machine, for a start... http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/katman . . . line2000.jpg

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kslater:

xris: is it possible to run mythweb on a different box than myth itself? (sorry been on an old version for a while)

[16:02:45]

sixy:

labmonkey open the hidden folder mythtv in your hoe directory and it should be there

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LabMonkey:

yes

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LabMonkey:

I looked there

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LabMonkey:

it's not

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sixy:

in that case alsa shouldnt be working. are you sure you are using it as your sound output?

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sixy:

ah ok :)

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juski:

as for mp3.. well.. I used to record my albums onto metal tape. I'd rather have a teensy bit of hiss than mp3 farty noises

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sixy:

juski – flac?

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LabMonkey:

well I thought I had found the problem — I didn't have alsasound in my runlevel (to reset the mixer)

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LabMonkey:

however... no change

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kayelem:

juski, you should hear recordings on half-track stereo 1/4" at 15ips – hiss, what hiss? And it goes to 24kHz... :-)

[16:05:18]

sixy:

ofc for flac you need this: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=398855

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kayelem:

juski, doesn't fit in me pocket, though...

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juski:

ofc.. don't get me started on that ridiculous snakeoil

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sixy:

labmonkey what distor and kernel are you using?

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LabMonkey:

Linux vala 2.6.16-gentoo-r9 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jun 27 02:10:51 CDT 2006 x86_64 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GNU/Linux

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juski:

kayelem: yeh. I used to hanker for a studer or summat.. still got a couple of reels of ampex 456 somewhere

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sixy:

you shouldnt need the alsa service with that kernel – alsa is built directly into the kernel

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LabMonkey:

it's not the alsa driver

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sixy:

unless you compiled the kernel without alsa, ofc

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kayelem:

juski, you should come visit sometime; this place is like a museum...

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LabMonkey:

the alsa init script just restores the mixer settings as they were last saved

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LabMonkey:

ie. unmute it and all that

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kayelem:

juski, like a museum only way more cluttered and you can play with everything ;-)

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sixy:

oh ok. i thought you were trying to start the >2.4 alsa service

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LabMonkey:

nah

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LabMonkey:

I thought maybe by not starting the service I'd neglected to unmute some channel or something

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LabMonkey:

but that's apparently not the case

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sixy:

well if there really is no asoundrc dmix cant be doing anything fancy

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LabMonkey:

see here's what I think

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LabMonkey:

I think it's still trying to sample at 48k

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sixy:

my suspicion would be that as analogue tv outputs at less tha 48khz its failing

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LabMonkey:

but I'm cold booting to see if maybe the driver choked the card somehow

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sixy:

you could try creating an asoundrc file and forcing a lower sample rate

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LabMonkey:

there was a warning about ivtv and >=2.6.15 or something

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LabMonkey:

oh hell

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LabMonkey:

damnit

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sixy:

i know someone was having issues with the latest version of ivtv – try downgrading?

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LabMonkey:

esd

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LabMonkey:

was loading in this runlevel

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LabMonkey:

I bet it was hogging the mixer

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sixy:

ooo this is a nice case: http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15738#

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sixy:

ahhh that could be it. you can remove esd altogehter – its pretty much depreciated now

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LabMonkey:

http://www.coolermaster.com/index.php?LT=engl . . . 0Media%20260

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LabMonkey:

is sitting on my desk

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LabMonkey:

hot damn

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LabMonkey:

I could hear live tv because gnome was auto-detecting esd

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LabMonkey:

turned off esd and recordings have audio now

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sixy:

labmonkey – out of interest whats the noise output of the custom psu like on that case?

[16:17:31]

LabMonkey:

well

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sixy:

simple solutions are always the best :)

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LabMonkey:

I got mine from newegg where a couple of reviews of the case said it was loud...

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LabMonkey:

however

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LabMonkey:

I can't hear the thing running at all unless I put my ear right to it

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LabMonkey:

but then I have 5 other machines running in here and my 24port switch is kinda loud

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sixy:

heh, yeah ok :D

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LabMonkey:

but I picked up a coolermaster PSU and cpu cooler for it

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LabMonkey:

when I ordered it

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sixy:

still think totally fanless is the way to go :)

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LabMonkey:

and I don't think it's loud at all

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juski:

diskless & fanless

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LabMonkey:

ooh

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sixy:

but thats expensive, with a capital e

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xris:

what's the point of a home theatre style case where the air vents to the side... when most AV cabinets have a wall on each side?

[16:19:42]

LabMonkey:

netboot <3

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LabMonkey:

nfsroot

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juski:

front to back is the way to go with airflow

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sixy:

xris – most av cabinets are also a bit wider than the actual equipment as well?

[16:20:08]

juski:

like _proper_ av gear

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LabMonkey:

well

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juski:

depends if the stuff is rackmounted at the end of the day I spose

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LabMonkey:

I'm looking at it right now, and I can tell you it looks NOTHING like a computer

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LabMonkey:

it's completely camoflauged to look like av gear

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sixy:

yeah but untill 500gb of flash storage becomes affordable... :) besides the right drive with aam enabled and rubber mounted is basically silent

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juski:

LabMonkey: www.juski.co.uk/s100 .. tell me if that looks like a computer :-P

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LabMonkey:

if it's a custom-built case I'm going to punch you in the face through the internet :P

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Merlin83b:

Wow, you did pages, juski!

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juski:

I can't stand people talking about shock mounting drives.. it can do more harm than good.

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xris:

sixy: it still doesn't help the airflow.. needs to flow front -> back or you get all kinds of weird pockets.

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LabMonkey:

ok that's...

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LabMonkey:

different

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juski:

Merlin83b: yups

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xris:

LabMonkey: except that it's about 10 inches deeper

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sixy:

juski – as long as you know what you are doing re:heat its fine

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juski:

sixy: as long as you know what you're doing re: vibration & damping the right harmonics it's fine

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sixy:

yeah. i did an engineering degree so i feel that i kinda do :)

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LabMonkey:

xris: actually to me it looks like my friend's dvd player from 2000 but about 1" taller and about 3" deeper

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juski:

hdd manufacturers aren't big fans of DIY shockmounts

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LabMonkey:

well

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LabMonkey:

the downside to this coolermaster case is...

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juski:

eeks.. time I wasn;t here

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sixy:

hmm, yeah but most of the ones you buy are crap imho

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LabMonkey:

the airflow design they have in it is the only airflow design possible

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LabMonkey:

everything is crammed in there

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LabMonkey:

literally

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xris:

LabMonkey: really? looks like a lot of room compared to something like the silverstone lc-11 or my pundit

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sixy:

ah :/ btw have you the imon vfd/remote?

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LabMonkey:

yes

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LabMonkey:

imon_pad

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sixy:

what do you think of the remote?

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LabMonkey:

and I can send you my lircd config :)

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LabMonkey:

well

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LabMonkey:

I like it

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LabMonkey:

but then this is my first htpc

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LabMonkey:

so I'm by no means an expert

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sixy:

nah i dont use it. gonna get a logitech harmony soon

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sixy:

just interested as ive not seen it in the flesh

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LabMonkey:

it feels comfy

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LabMonkey:

it's got plenty of buttons to do stuff with if I ever take the time to really customize my .lircrc

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sixy:

is it usb or serial based?

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LabMonkey:

usb

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sixy:

thats good. i find serial slightly less resonsive than usb

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LabMonkey:

the vfd has a small ribbon cable that connects to the ir module, then the ir module has a usb cable

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xris:

um, usb *is* serial... (sorry, couldn't resist)

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sixy:

:P

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LabMonkey:

it's designed to be installed one of two ways

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LabMonkey:

the most common is to run the usb cable all the way around the inside edge of the case, through a hole in the back, and connect it to an external usb port in the back

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LabMonkey:

but

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LabMonkey:

it comes with a little adapter dongle thing so it can plug into a standard internal usb header

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LabMonkey:

but my mobo came with a 3.5" bay media thing (usb/1394/audio)

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LabMonkey:

and the case itself has such built in

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sixy:

thats nice – i dont like having internal stuff plugged into external ports

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LabMonkey:

so I was out of usb headers

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LabMonkey:

it's really inconspicuous once it's all settled in

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LabMonkey:

imo

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sixy:

im a bit of a neatness freak tho :)

[16:32:03]

LabMonkey:

yeah I'm OCD about alot of things

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sixy:

if only they made slimlind dvd burners that use sata :(

[16:37:36]

xris:

sixy: if only they made more than a handful of REGULAR dvd drives with sata

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xris:

then again my pata cables are all sliced and wrapped neatly so they're not THAT much bigger than a sata cable... advantages of working for an integrator. :)

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LabMonkey:

ooh

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xris:

anyone know how to upload an image to mediawiki? (as in the mythtv.org wiki)?

[16:43:38]

xris:

nevermind. finally found the help

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xris:

woot: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Xris

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LabMonkey:

xris: oh goody! teach me how to automate the process of using nuvexport on recordings and then running mythencode/mythname on them :D

[16:54:06]

xris:

LabMonkey: automating is easy... just read the nuvexportrc file for commandline options

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xris:

or set it up how you want it if you only ever export on kind.

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LabMonkey:

yeah well it's a hardware mpeg tuner

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LabMonkey:

so I wanna record BIG (highest possible quality) streams

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LabMonkey:

and then encode them to divx

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LabMonkey:

about 350MB per 1hr show

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LabMonkey:

problem is a 1hr show can be anywhere from 40–50min

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LabMonkey:

after commercial flagging that is

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LabMonkey:

like TNT is always like 1min early

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LabMonkey:

TOON is usually right on time

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xris:

LabMonkey: xvid defaults come out around that number (especially if you use dual pass mode)

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LabMonkey:

and I'm not sure about the others

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xris:

LabMonkey: you'll almost always want to do the commercial cutting by hand

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scopeuk:

xris you had any contact the the summer of code guy your metoring?

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xris:

scopeuk: both of them, yes.

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mchou:

Wonder if SCO stock price is gonna go up

[16:58:32]

kslater:

can anyone point me at an example .htaccess file for mythweb? I see references to a set of required db_ vars, but no examples

[16:58:39]

LabMonkey:

mchou: why would it?

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mchou:

LabMonkey: cause when bad things happen to SCO, their stock prices go up.

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xris:

kslater: it's included in the tarball

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LabMonkey:

mchou: bad things are happening again? I thought they already went under anyway

[17:00:01]

xris:

kslater: in fact, mythweb won't work without its .htaccess file

[17:00:04]

mchou:

LabMonkey: no, this is REAL BADNESS

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RandomDude15:

how do I change the color on the tv in myth like tvtime?

[17:00:06]

kslater:

xris: I have the file and I looked at the latest on svn, but no db_* in there

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xris:

RandomDude15: you mean color balance, etc? press G

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D-side:

LabMonkey: ibm is basically unzipping as we speak.

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mchou:

LabMonkey: about 5/6 of SCO's case against IBM got thrown out of court

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xris:

kslater: huh? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . eb/.htaccess

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xris:

setenv db_.......

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Juski:

evening

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kslater:

was looking at a release. Let me look at your reference

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kslater:

wow, I got nothing like that from the install from MythDora

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xris:

kslater: mythtv .19 ?

[17:04:05]

kslater:

oh, wait. I'm an idiot – stayed up too late

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kslater:

I was looking at the one in data

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xris:

lool

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xris:

lol

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kslater:

xris: is there a howto on remote access for mythweb? (run mythweb on dmz machine, mythbox is inside lan)

[17:09:20]

xris:

kslater: port forwarding

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xris:

open the firewall

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kslater:

in my old version (.14) I noticed a symlink to myth://path:port

[17:10:18]

kslater:

does that still apply?

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xris:

kslater: you can override. in the new one, it auto-detects IE and adds myth:// if appropriate

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kslater:

it's very nice

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kslater:

nice set of changes

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xris:

thx.

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Juski:

Coume: working on an animated banner. gif or flash?

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Coume:

re

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Coume:

hiya Juski

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Coume:

erm what would be the size of a flash one?

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Juski:

what size do you want it?

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Coume:

468x60

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Juski:

sure you want flash? it's no problem ;-)

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Coume:

Juski, by size I meant the size of the file :)

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Juski:

ah

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Juski:

static graphic it is then

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Juski:

lowest size of all ;-)

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Coume:

Juski, animated is fine as long as it is not too long to load

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Juski:

less distracting, less annoying.. etc ;-)

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scopeuk:

ive never hada problem with flash files being too big

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scopeuk:

untill you start addign lots of action script that is

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Juski:

flash can be fscking annoying though

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Juski:

I hate flash banners

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Coume:

hi scopeuk :)

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Coume:

it's usually I rather stay with static ones or basic gifs :)

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scopeuk:

heh ive done a project in flash

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scopeuk:

was an information terminal of sorts

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scopeuk:

the school are ploting on using it

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scopeuk:

jsut needs some minor modification

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scopeuk:

hi Coume

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scopeuk:

Juski and flash banners are right up there with mouthwash adverts on my list of stuff that should be fired from a cannon into the sun

[17:41:48]

Juski:

only mouthwash adverts? not sheila's wheels?

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Coume:

eheh

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scopeuk:

oh god yeh thats on the list

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scopeuk:

but not as high as mouthwash adverts

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scopeuk:

and in our sixth form number of colisiosn involving the girls are about dubble that of the boys

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Juski:

when my wife watches emmerdull, those fscking pesky Veet adverts do my head right in

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scopeuk:

yeh although shilas wheels are worse

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scopeuk:

the wodner of comercial skipping

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Zider:

argh.. al lthe mythtv settings sar gone :(

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Zider:

are

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Zider:

bah

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Zider:

and I can't type

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scopeuk:

welcome to my world

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kslater:

now that the (US) television season is for the most part over, I forget how much commercial skip means to me.

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Speedy2:

How well does commercial skip work for you?

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Juski:

commskipping is ace

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kslater:

on some shows it's like clockwork. (Good Eats on FoodTV for example)

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kslater:

some shows seem to have more trouble, but my new box can record in higher res which should improve things

[18:00:09]

Speedy2:

I wonder if the commercial skipping code could be made into a seperate executable

[18:00:13]

Speedy2:

That would be handy for older recordings.

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kslater:

isn't mythcommflag already separate?

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Anduin:

Speedy2: Like a commflagger?

[18:01:01]

Anduin:

(how it is)

[18:01:51]

Speedy2:

Anduin: Can you run that program commandline, etc?

[18:01:59]

Juski:

you don't have to run commflagging right away, but it can help... might not work too well on older recordings

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Anduin:

Speedy2: Yes. However it works with myth recordings (reads/writes to the DB).

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Speedy2:

It can't / won't just take an MPEG2 file?

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Speedy2:

:

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Speedy2:

:(

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Juski:

Speedy2: it might do

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Juski:

run mythcommflag <foo-filename.mpg>

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Anduin:

Speedy2: You'd have to import it.

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Juski:

import, then run mythcommflag A) to build the recordedmarkup table entries.. and B) to mark commercials

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Speedy2:

So the whole DB and everything else would need to be there?

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Juski:

Speedy2: commercial flagging & skipping depends on the recordedmarkup table, mmyerrs

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kayelem:

Juski, *damn* you... I've not even got my msntv2 yet and I'm already searching ebay for an s100... ;-)

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Anduin:

I think Juski made them up (judging entirely from how often they are on eBay)

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kayelem:

Anduin, ahh... :)

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kayelem:

Anduin, they're definitely more scarce than msntv2. i may have a bit of a wait; but it's on my list of "gadgets to play with".

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Juski:

when my wife finds out about the 2nd one I bought I can sell that on Ebay

[18:43:12]

Juski:

anyway it wasn't me who started all the s100 shennanigans

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kayelem:

Juski, that's as maybe but iirc it was you told me about it ;-)

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** laga hides **

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kayelem:

Juski, looks like another potential one for my odd purposes, though.

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Juski:

heh

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kayelem:

I have to check out all possibilities...

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kayelem:

...these things will fit *inside* many old TV sets :)

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Juski:

I bet an EPIA board would fit inside my panny pk32

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kayelem:

Juski – Look at that; it's almost like in 1950 they predicted a loony like me would come along and made a shelf in the bottom for an internet TV appliance... http://www.thevalvepage.com/tv/marconiphone/vc73da/rear.jpg

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Juski:

god, I'd not feel safe leaving that beasty plugged in all night

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laga:

humm. that looks like i'd make you sterile.

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kayelem:

Juski, nope, nobody does. Also not advisable to leave then switched on and left unattended...

[18:49:22]

kayelem:

I remember BBC closedown and "don't forget to switch off your set and unplug it"

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kayelem:

...for a time, No1 cause of house fires was TV sets going up in flames...

[18:50:40]

kayelem:

laga, not a worry I happen to have... fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it... :)

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Juski:

yeh my brother inlaw (not the one who only has one testicle, but the one who acts like he has none at all) is a fireman & he's always preaching about switching appliances off.

[18:51:03]

kayelem:

kids == less money/time/space for tinkering with old/new tech :)

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dtm:

Juski: .........wtf?

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kayelem:

With odern safety regs and suchlike it's hardly an issue these days.

[18:51:43]

kayelem:

thermal fuses in transformers

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Juski:

just pointing out one of my bro-inlaws is a proper twat. and a fireman

[18:51:54]

kayelem:

lots of flame-retardent materiels, etc, etc...

[18:52:39]

kayelem:

Juski, he'd have a fit if he saw the mains distribution stuff under my desk atm... all run off 1 plug, too...

[18:53:26]

kayelem:

perfectly safe, all correctly fused; i did the sums...

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Mrgoose:

hello

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Mrgoose:

when i try to play live tv i get time out errors any ideas?

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Juski:

kayelem: well, we wish he'd stop preaching, that's for sure. and he could do without calling my size 10 wife a fat cow too

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** kayelem shakes head... **

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kayelem:

Juski, I guess as I know the tech (I've designed it before now, to meet international safety standards) I'm reasonably knowledgeable. You know what they say about "a little knowledge being dangerous", though...

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kayelem:

TV sets *used* to catch fire, with boring regularity. That's in the past, though. Quite a long way in the past, too.

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Juski:

yeh they just tell people not to plug too many things into one socket because numpties would plug 25 electric fires into one extension lead

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Juski:

anyway don't get me started about dodgy wiring...

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Juski:

oh bugger. so I know I have a problem with the configure part of the minimyth build stuff, due to it try to guess at the host architecture etc...

[19:24:51]

Juski:

might as well try in #gentoo...

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** Juski puts on his flak jacket **

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D-side:

Juski: uh oh.

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D-side:

Juski: good luck.

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bengoodger:

Juski, good luck also

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Juski:

unless anyone here wants to have a stab at the problem... seems a bit icky to me, but could be as simple as a config variable being wrong... http://pastebin.ca/75064

[19:36:27]

D-side:

yikes

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Juski:

just to be on the safe side I'm checking gcc still works after changing to the new-fangled profile setup

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D-side:

yeah good plan.

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Juski:

libdts compiled okay... so.. back to square one as they say...

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Juski:

I'm fairly sure that the part where it says "*** You must set the environment variable CC to a working compiler." is a big clue, but I don't know what's going on beyond /etc/make.conf

[19:45:36]

D-side:

well

[19:45:44]

D-side:

its segfaulting on building conftest

[19:45:48]

D-side:

can you do that by hand?

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Juski:

D-side: conftest is a dummy file I think

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Juski:

looking at the scripts, it's made by trying to find out the architecture & stuff

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D-side:

i'm out of my league here, i'm sure you're right

[19:55:25]

Juski:

the thing causing the error (I think) is.. checking for a BSD compatible install

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Juski:

but erm... gentoo should be that, right?

[19:57:09]

Darby:

Juski, I had a similar problem a while back...... I think it was as simple as I had x86 in my use flags and it was an Opteron

[19:57:38]

Juski:

really?

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D-side:

interesting

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Darby:

If I remember it correctly. I know I had that same error

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D-side:

what arch are you building ON, as opposed to for?

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Juski:

CFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"

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Juski:

CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"

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Juski:

that'd be right for an athlon xp, no?

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Darby:

I think so.

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Juski:

that's funny.. running ./configure in the /blah/foo/gcc/build.blah/work/ directory (i.e. where I think the script is doing it...) it works

[20:08:13]

Juski:

hmm. maybe... this doesn't bloody need a cross compiling environment anyway.. host = i686.. target = i686

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Juski:

can someone with a non-gentoo system please post the result of uname -r ?

[20:11:13]

j2^:

scooter:~# uname -r

[20:11:13]

j2^:

2.6.12-1–686

[20:11:13]

j2^:

scooter:~#

[20:11:19]

j2^:

(Debian)

[20:11:57]

Juski:

hrm... is the '686' bit pretty common?

[20:12:17]

j2^:

On Debian precompiled kernels, yes. And i think in general.

[20:12:23]

Juski:

I think where this script is going wrong is it's using uname to guess the arch type, then

[20:12:24]

xris:

2.6.17–1.2139_FC5smp

[20:12:26]

laga:

nope.. i think that's manually appended by whoever packaged the kernel

[20:12:33]

laga:

2.6.15-23-server

[20:12:34]

xris:

laga: yup

[20:12:36]

laga:

^^ ubuntu

[20:12:37]

Juski:

ah

[20:12:43]

Juski:

nm then

[20:12:49]

laga:

2.6.15.5-laga-4 – laptop ;)

[20:13:02]

xris:

try `uname -a` for more detail

[20:13:06]

Juski:

ahhh

[20:14:03]

Juski:

config.guess uses uname

[20:14:06]

Juski:

fer sure

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Juski:

and it gets it right... back t' drawing board

[20:18:40]

dev:

reverted back to 9163 -fixes, and after a full 24hrs my mythbackend is still up

[20:18:51]

dev:

see what happens in a couple days. but i might be able to narrow down when it happened

[20:18:56]

dev:

which will help the dev0rz!

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Juski:

hrm.. the ltconfig script looks like it needs a CC system variable

[20:31:17]

D-side:

what happens if you set it?

[20:36:19]

Juski:

same thing

[20:36:25]

Juski:

export CC="gcc"

[20:37:45]

Juski:

though /etc/env.d/05gcc doesn't contain that line, which is puzzling

[20:38:38]

Juski:

even with it there, and after doing env-update ...

[20:52:23]

Juski:

ooo... could it be? hmm.. wait & see I think...

[20:53:12]

scottder:

Know whats annoying, i reald myth-users on gmail, and every so often i get an ad for SNapstrean that says "Why build a MythTV PVR?"

[20:53:28]

Juski:

lol

[20:53:46]

Juski:

erm.. because Snapstream sucks hard?

[20:54:54]

scottder:

hehehe

[20:55:18]

scopeuk:

theoretical conversation

[20:55:28]

scopeuk:

why builda mythtv pvr

[20:55:41]

Juski:

why continue breathing?

[20:55:45]

Juski:

why bother?

[20:55:56]

scopeuk:

becouse its free its rapidly developing and ai dont ahve to buy in an extra piece of software to play media files

[20:56:03]

scopeuk:

that and i dont have to use windows for my os

[20:56:18]

scopeuk:

total licensing savign s around £100–120

[20:56:25]

scopeuk:

enough for a substantial hardware upgrade

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bengoodger:

scopeuk, but as it's linux it will cost you more

[21:02:00]

bengoodger:

surely everyone knows that linux has a higher price than windows..

[21:02:49]

Juski:

depends how much you charge for your own time

[21:02:54]

xris:

bengoodger: it sure does. have you ever looked at RHEL pricing? heh

[21:03:13]

Juski:

what price, freedom?

[21:03:22]

bengoodger:

all linux systems cost much more than windows.

[21:03:34]

Juski:

yeah yeah

[21:03:38]

laga:

freedom? i didn't know that RHEL came with freedom included.

[21:03:46]

bengoodger:

do you not know to trust microsoft-funded independent studies?

[21:03:49]

laga:

bengoodger: yes, we accept your truth!

[21:04:33]

bengoodger:

and then there's the whole issue of not being able to connect to open standard protocols

[21:04:41]

Juski:

all hail murkysoft

[21:04:54]

Juski:

who started this anyway?

[21:05:03]

laga:

scopeuk ;)

[21:05:08]

bengoodger:

SMB, PDF, the list is endless.

[21:05:18]

alsoconfused:

pdf?

[21:05:18]

Juski:

get on this problem with gar minimyth I've got.. help me fixx0r it

[21:05:50]

Juski:

apt-get install omnicongisence

[21:06:10]

Juski:

damn. anyone got a repo?

[21:06:17]

bengoodger:

juski, heg.

[21:06:19]

bengoodger:

*heh

[21:06:31]

bengoodger:

everyone loves the proliferation of APT repositories

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CraigDavis:

can I get a reeee-po ?

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bengoodger is now known as microsoft-liebot

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juski:

you know how van goch went mad & cut his ear off? I know how he felt

[21:07:39]

** Sebulba02 repos everything juski has then runs off with the cash :p **

[21:07:44]

microsoft-liebot:

linux is illegal and you are all breaking SCO's law!!!! LOL!!

[21:07:45]

dev:

juski: definitely take a pic

[21:07:46]

juski:

(or whatever the dood was called)

[21:08:00]

juski:

gar-madness

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** microsoft-liebot runs into corner and cries at sight of firefox logo **

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microsoft-liebot is now known as bengoodger

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** juski casts out the demons with his tux logo **

[21:08:27]

juski:

be gone!

[21:09:00]

bengoodger:

hmm

[21:09:15]

bengoodger:

I'm sure RMS has something to say on the subject of tux.

[21:09:50]

bengoodger:

"tux is not FreeTM, he is copyright, we should all use this nice little buffalo instead"

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bengoodger:

actually van gogh never cut his ear off

[21:12:25]

juski:

oh fuck. now this I don't fine reassuring at all.. "This has been happening a lot as of late, I think it's due to the -march=athlon-xp optimization not working too well."

[21:12:33]

laga:

juski: have some absinth.

[21:12:54]

laga:

juski: BTW, are you building stuff with -march=athlon-xp for the s100?

[21:13:04]

dev:

absynthe is good

[21:13:04]

juski:

laga: no I'm not... i686

[21:13:08]

dev:

when brewed correctly

[21:13:13]

laga:

juski: sounds good.

[21:13:19]

xris:

laga: I really want to try that stuff now that they're actually making REAL absynth again.

[21:13:21]

dev:

its a bit like drinking battery acid, but thats what the sugars for. and you sorta feel like you're on E

[21:13:37]

** juski can't rememeber what it's like to be on planet E **

[21:13:50]

dev:

xris: i had a coworkers who's good friend made real absynthe, out in california. he used to bring some over with him on the plane

[21:13:59]

juski:

though according to the stories still being told, it was funny

[21:14:00]

dev:

you have to be careful not to drink too much, because it really is poisonous

[21:14:08]

laga:

xris: they do? in the US? we don't get lots of that psychodelic stuff

[21:14:19]

xris:

laga: no. illegal in the US.

[21:14:25]

laga:

xris: sad.

[21:14:27]

juski:

when it's home-brew you can do what you like

[21:14:38]

laga:

dev: i had two shots once and i had trouble playing darts afterwards...

[21:14:39]

xris:

guy from florida managed to get ahold of some really old bottles and did chemical analysis to figure out what's in it

[21:14:49]

xris:

laga: that's not the real stuff, then.

[21:14:54]

xris:

it's highly alcoholic, but that's about it.

[21:14:58]

laga:

xris: yep

[21:15:03]

dev:

oh its more than alcholo in it

[21:15:04]

laga:

it was prolly the spanish weather :)

[21:15:05]

xris:

the real stuff, that is.

[21:15:08]

xris:

dev: not the real stuff

[21:15:10]

laga:

and the good beer

[21:15:11]

dev:

wormwood, is a poison, a psycotropic type poison

[21:15:12]

dev:

yes, the real stuff

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juski:

I doubt the real stuff is easy to get hold of

[21:15:19]

dev:

REAL absynthe is made with wormwood

[21:15:24]

xris:

dev: real stuff has miniscule amounts of wormwood

[21:15:28]

dev:

juski: its not, its wormwood thats hard to get

[21:15:49]

dev:

there's a reason van gogh or whoever used it for inspiration :) its a big like E when you drink it

[21:15:56]

dev:

s/big/bit

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juski:

is it like trying to break the laws of gentoo physics then?

[21:16:36]

xris:

dev / laga: http://www.absintheonline.com/acatalog/faq.html

[21:17:04]

dev:

We have shipped to the USA for many years to those over the legal drinking age and for personal consumption ONLY.

[21:17:10]

dev:

then its not the real stuff, because its totally illegal here

[21:18:09]

xris:

dev: yes. but you're only required to label it as "alcohol" for customs

[21:18:13]

xris:

http://www.absintheonline.com/acatalog/info_47.html

[21:18:14]

xris:

that's the one

[21:18:20]

xris:

wish I could find the article about it

[21:18:27]

dev:

plus, there is no mention of "warning, do not drink more than a few shots or else you could go blind"

[21:18:31]

xris:

goes into great detail about the history of it, etc.

[21:18:32]

dev:

the real stuff will do that

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xris:

dev: that's the point.. the green stuff you get now from eastern europe is *not* the real stuff.

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dev:

i dont doubt it..

[21:19:15]

juski:

is gcc 3.4 too old do you reckon?

[21:19:16]

dev:

i had it from a guy who brewed it. and had been doing it for a couple decades

[21:20:28]

juski:

bah I'll fire up the umbongo machine tomorrow & try building this on there

[21:20:39]

juski:

another nail in gentoo's coffin

[21:20:53]

xris:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.11/absi . . . p;topic_set=

[21:22:36]

xris:

well, that's one of them... dev, wish I could find the article that kormoc originally sent me. it goes into great detail on why Breaux was the first guy in like 80 years to brew *real* absynthe... recipe was lost, etc...

[21:22:37]

dev:

the taste of absinthe is like battery acid

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xris:

dev: again, then you're not drinking the real stuff

[21:23:05]

dev:

xris: you're not supposed to drink it straight

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xris:

dev: I know

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opello:

drink much battery acid?

[21:23:25]

dev:

there are special 'absinthe spoons' did you know that?

[21:23:32]

xris:

anyway, that wired article is pretty close to the one I remember.

[21:23:34]

dev:

i used one, it was great

[21:23:40]

dev:

but drinking it straight sucks

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xris:

dev: read the article

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dev:

The slotted, sieve-like device was an essential part of the ritual of preparing the drink: You placed a sugar cube on the spoon and slowly poured cold water through it to dilute the strong liqueur.

[21:26:01]

dev:

yup yup yup

[21:26:11]

dev:

drink it straight, and it sucks, as i said :)

[21:26:14]

bengoodger:

gentoo is good, so long as you don't mind not having audio

[21:27:01]

Zider:

what do you mean, not having audio?

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dev:

honestly i dont care if you believe ive had it or not, the guy i got it from ive known for a long long time, and if he says his friend's been brewing it for decades (20 years to be exact) then he has. and he drank it with me. so it wasnt some gag

[21:27:10]

dev:

audio works fine on all my gentoo boxes :P

[21:27:41]

Zider:

same here

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laga:

same here.

[21:27:49]

bengoodger:

meh

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Zider:

including the mythbox

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opello:

same here :)

[21:28:05]

Zider:

altho I need to fiddle with the .asoundrc to get music to play at the right speed :P

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bengoodger:

perhaps it was just me being fussy, but the thing that stopped me using gentoo was the lack of a working kernel

[21:28:14]

xris:

dev: I believe you.. just saying that it's not "real" absynthe, since the recipe was lost until Breaux rebuilt it.

[21:28:16]

Zider:

crappy bloody onboard audio

[21:28:31]

dev:

that you know of

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laga:

bengoodger: if you can't compile a kernel, then you probably shouldn't be using gentoo.

[21:28:33]

Zider:

bengoodger: the kernel has been working for years

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dev:

some people might not want to be 'public' about brewing an illegal drink in this country :)

[21:28:45]

Zider:

bengoodger: and you don't HAVE to use the gentoo-patched one

[21:28:46]

bengoodger:

then I got a kernel working, and tried upgrading gcc

[21:28:50]

xris:

dev: according to the world absynthe group or whatever it is.. I'd trust their opinion.

[21:28:59]

bengoodger:

gaaah

[21:29:05]

dev:

if its not on the internet its not true right ;)

[21:29:16]

xris:

other people have since copied him... but he was the "first" to restore it.

[21:30:29]

xris:

In many instances [in antique bottles], [thujone] was a homeopathically minuscule 5 parts per million.

[21:30:44]

xris:

compared to 250+ ppm in modern bottles

[21:31:40]

xris:

dev: not just internet.. published in several journals.. anyway, just read the article because it's interesting....

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** xris goes back to work. **

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laga:

lol.

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xris:

wish I could justify buying one of those bottles... I think it comes to around $130 shipped for me

[21:34:13]

laga:

i'm working on a paper with some guy. he sent me some text... a little bit of googling revealed that it's copied (partly verbatim) from wikipedia and other websites. i'm gonna shoot him tomorrow.

[21:34:14]

juski:

that's not a bad price

[21:34:20]

juski:

for 70cl...

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xris:

juski: for that price, I'd buy scotch

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juski:

lol laga

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dev:

yeah i just read it, interesting. they kind of described how it tasted

[21:34:37]

dev:

but what i had had a much more potent taste so i guess it was wrong stuff

[21:34:52]

dev:

or since the people in olddays always used those sugar spoons, it was the right stuff

[21:35:00]

dev:

from what ive read they never drank it straight back then

[21:35:19]

juski:

drinking 140% proof stuff couldn't be good for you anyway

[21:35:26]

xris:

dev: like I said... people have been making "absynthe" for years... but it's not the same stuff that they used to make... nor is it nearly as "potent" (from thujone) that people think it was.

[21:35:26]

juski:

not straight, surely

[21:35:57]

xris:

I like the note about the guy who killed his family because he drank some absynthe, but they never mentioned that he'd had like 2 gallons of other alcohol earlier in the day

[21:36:04]

juski:

anyway.. gonna try & get some sleep.. hopefully I won't wake in the middle of the night with 'inspiration' on how to fix this stuff

[21:36:15]

juski:

night all

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scopeuk:

absinth is nasty stuff

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scopeuk:

the burning is awfull too

[21:39:09]

scopeuk:

ive had domestic and imported and the imported stuff is much worse

[21:39:27]

bengoodger:

how the hell did gentoo turn into illegal liquor?

[21:39:27]

xris:

scopeuk: read that article. :)

[21:39:46]

xris:

bengoodger: you don't know gentoo very well, do you.. ;)

[21:39:57]

bengoodger:

xris, touche

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scopeuk:

xris ive read it before i belive

[21:40:21]

** xris would rather have his $20 bottle of Black Seal rum **

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scopeuk:

dont worry as logn as you dont bash gentoo too much they wont eat you

[21:40:23]

laga:

bengoodger: it's the power of open source software.

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scopeuk:

me and gentoo dont see eye to eye it thinks i should know better and i think it hates me

[21:41:19]

bengoodger:

there is nothing wrong with gentoo.

[21:41:28]

bengoodger:

but I prefer using a computer to a compiler.

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scopeuk:

yeh emerge world wait two month then procied to step 2

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bengoodger:

hence, ubuntu.

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xris:

suddenly so quiet in here...

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scopeuk:

yeh yeh

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bengoodger:

if someone would talk about something, someone might reply

[22:44:58]

** xris wonders where Beirdo has been lately **

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xris:

we could play the "everyone get hooked to my linkedin.com profile" game. heh

[22:45:48]

scopeuk:

ok its come dow nto it

[22:45:54]

scopeuk:

you wantcovnersation material huh

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bengoodger:

xris, perhaps a game of "tell bengoodger how much ram he'll need for a network-booting mythfrontend"?

[22:46:06]

xris:

lol

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xris:

512M?

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scopeuk:

www.thingsthatmygirlfriendandihavearguedabout.com

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scopeuk:

bugger speeling erro in ther

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bengoodger:

scopeuk, tio estas bona... shit

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bengoodger:

that's a good site

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bengoodger:

*ben has been typing in esperanto all evening*

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xris:

bengoodger: be careful or people will start speaking in real langauges (other than english)...

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bengoodger:

*mainly about UK politics and my cat*

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scopeuk:

http://www.thingsmygirlfriendandihavearguedabout.com

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bengoodger:

404

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scopeuk:

works here

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xris:

second one works

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scopeuk:

yeh first one is wrong

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bengoodger:

both 404

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scopeuk:

http://www.thingsmygirlfriendandihavearguedabout.com/ is 404 for you?

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scopeuk:

its possible im pulling tifrom my isp's cache

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bengoodger:

yes, it is

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xris:

worked for me

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scopeuk:

same here

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xris:

magnets are cool toys....

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bengoodger:

yes.

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bengoodger:

so are neutron stars, but slightly more expensive

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xris:

heh

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xris:

and less portable

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xris:

recently bought a small pile of magnets made out of hematite

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scopeuk:

rare earth?

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xris:

hematite

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xris:

shiny black rock with really high iron content

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scopeuk:

ok not the same thing then

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scopeuk:

cant say i know too much about magnets

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xris:

not usually magnetic

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scopeuk:

know how to calculate the force oen exerts on a conductor

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xris:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hematite

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scopeuk:

oror another magnet

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bengoodger:

hematite has iron oxide in it, not iron

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bengoodger:

it's an ore

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xris:

iron oxide has iron in it

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xris:

same thing

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bengoodger:

I have iron in me

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bengoodger:

am I iron?

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xris:

never said it (or you) were

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bengoodger:

<xris> iron oxide has iron in it

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bengoodger:

<xris> same thing

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xris:

hematite contains iron oxide, iron oxide contains iron, therefore hematite contains iron

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bengoodger:

they're chemically distinct

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xris:

different molecule, same atom

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bengoodger:

yes

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scopeuk:

vastly diferent properties

[23:10:43]

bengoodger:

and it's the molecule that makes the difference..

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scopeuk:

jsut liek you cant swim in steam but you can in water

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scopeuk:

ok bad example

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bengoodger:

scopeuk, that's states of matter

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xris:

either way, it's ferrous (iron), shiny, looks like metal, matnetic

[23:11:17]

xris:

magnetic, even

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scopeuk:

bengoodger yeh that came to me after i said it

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bengoodger:

did you hear about that new storage medium?

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scopeuk:

interface

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bengoodger:

it stores 15TiB/cc

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scopeuk:

bengoodger which ones

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scopeuk:

that the trie axis holographics one?

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bengoodger:

tiny wires suspended in water plasma

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scopeuk:

yeh i think ive se nthat one too

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bengoodger:

non-volatile, too..

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scopeuk:

was a few months ago though

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bengoodger:

actually it was PiB, not TiB

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bengoodger:

why anyone needs 15 petabytes is beyond me

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xris:

bengoodger: hd video, of course

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bengoodger:

petabytes!

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xris:

how else will you record your entire life with that implanted eye-camera?

[23:14:29]

scopeuk:

bengoodger lets face it at oen tiem a floppy disc was enogu hfor an os some programs and all your documents

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bengoodger:

that's 1048576GiB!!

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scopeuk:

now your lucky if you can get a word document on it

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scopeuk:

bengoodger if i had it id fill it

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bengoodger:

scopeuk, it might also have incorporated a spell checker

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bengoodger:

brb

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xris:

my file server is 450G (formatted).. still has 200G free

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D-side:

showoff

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scopeuk:

and thats small by comparison with what soem of the nobal lunatics in here have

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scopeuk:

hughe by comparison wit hym rig thought :-(

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scopeuk:

but yay i get moer free computers this weekend

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xris:

D-side: I just upgraded it.. it's raid5 now instead of a failing lvm

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D-side:

again i say, showoff. :)

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xris:

the fact that I have so little data?

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D-side:

how many drives of what sizes?

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Sebulba02:

450G raid 5!?

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xris:

Sebulba02: three 250G drives

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D-side:

oh, duh.

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Sebulba02:

oh, so only 250G

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D-side:

Sebulba02: no, 450 (formatted)

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xris:

3 * 250 – 250

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D-side:

xris: swraid or a real card?

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bengoodger:

raid has two modes

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xris:

sw

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xris:

D-side: I'm too cheap to get a card. drives are from woot.com, too. heh

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D-side:

bengoodger: two? no.

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D-side:

xris: ah, well then thats a great deal.

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xris:

bengoodger: bunch of different modes.

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D-side:

what were they, $45+5?

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D-side:

wd's i'm sure. :)

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xris:

something like that

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xris:

2 bad ones

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bengoodger:

D-side, I meant, it doesn't only copy things to all drives, and I wasn't sure that Sebulba02 knew about its equal-distribution mode.

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xris:

but they have a really good rma process

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D-side:

woot does?

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D-side:

really?

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D-side:

thats surprising to me

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xris:

D-side: yeah... email rma@woot with the output from smartd and they advance rma the next day (ground shipping, of course)

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D-side:

xris: wow! that shows a level of clue that I really didn't expect. thats great.

[23:21:13]

xris:

D-side: yeah. kind of surprising...

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bengoodger:

an intelligent retailer?

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bengoodger:

hmm.

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xris:

although after the second, they tried to get me to change the cable, etc.... had to explain that smart was part of the drive itself.

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bengoodger:

I bought a graphics card from someone who refused to admit I existed

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D-side:

not they they can really be compared to woot, but the best rma i had to do ever was with Nintendo last week. absolutely painless, it was great.

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xris:

D-side: rma with us sometime... we're really good. heh

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Zider:

dammit, I can't get the nvtv-settings restored without manually setting it each time..

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xris:

pretty much advance rma for all customers.

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bengoodger:

wb, Juski

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D-side:

xris: yeah but you guys are operating at a level well above woot or nintendo. :)

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xris:

D-side: one would hope. heh

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Juski:

so much for sleep

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D-side:

hardware wise and more i'm sure

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xris:

the fact that we troubleshoot linux driver problems for customers sort of puts us ahead of the curve.

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D-side:

xris: yeah. my ds lite having a stuck pixel is nothing like a backplane failing and taking out your customer's storage.

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Juski:

I just couldn't resist trying to build minimyth on umbongo :-P

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D-side:

Juski: was the arch issue the problem with your compile before?

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Juski:

D-side I still don't know

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Juski:

I set CC="gcc" in my environment variables & it still choked

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D-side:

i remember the other guy was saying something about building for an arch target that was other than your hosts arch

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Juski:

D-side: it's still all i686 though

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D-side:

well then that sure as hell wasnt the issue. heh

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Juski:

gcc shouldn't segfault doing that kind of stuff

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Juski:

same arch or not

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D-side:

i agree.

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D-side:

glad you got past it, however you did so. (giving up counts in my book)

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Juski:

just downloading all the sources for the build on this box now

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Juski:

I should already have everything I need to do the build, having installed build-essential & all that crud

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Juski:

I _think_ I might just be beginning to understand how to roll my own linux

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D-side:

well thats good

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Juski:

LFS is starting to look attractive actually

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D-side:

yeesh.

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D-side:

have fun. :)

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Juski:

from what I've been able to gather, the tough bit is setting up the environment – making sure you build everything you need & putting in the right place... heh

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mchou:

this is ridiculous. How can they find out how the VA laptop (and external drive) hasn't been accessed?

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CyberKnet:

The thief gave his word of honor

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mchou:

I could do a dd and no one would be the wiser.....

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CyberKnet:

=)

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mchou:

I'm no computer forensics expert, but there is no way I'd trust the government party line "havent been accessed"

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Juski:

wah? you mean windows' 'last accessed flag' is no fscking use to the feds? oops

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Juski:

;-)

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xris:

mchou: where'd you read that? everything I saw said they didn't know yet

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mchou:

Juski: that's exactly it. The government assumes there are no other OSes

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CyberKnet:

he read it on slashdot... =P"

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xris:

mchou: you also have to remember that the fbi digital forensics experts are still trying to figure out the difference between email and IM.

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mchou:

xris: just heard it on NPR

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mchou:

xris: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5521935

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xris:

mchou: interesting. you are of course completely correct that they have no clue.. but the thief probably didn't, either.

[23:43:11]

mchou:

xris: "The FBI says there is no evidence that anyone accessed the information."

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mchou:

xris: that's what the washington post calls a "non-denial denial"

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xris:

heh

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mchou:

xris: kinda like watergate

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Juski:

so nobody removed the HDD or booted a knoppix CD, mounted a USB HDD & DD'd stuff across.. interesting they could find that out just by looking at it

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dtm:

mchou: fallacy of proving the negative

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dtm:

:/

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mchou:

dtm: exactly :)

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dtm:

govt == pewp

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CyberKnet:

Fish

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xris:

sauerkraut, spaetzle and smoked apple fake-sausage sounds good.

[23:46:58]

xris:

CyberKnet: I'm not fond of ingesting mercury.

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xris:

heh

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CyberKnet:

It hasn't killed me yet. And I'll keep saying that till the day that I die.

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CyberKnet:

:)

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scopeuk:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/vandals27.html

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CyberKnet:

man was that guy ever asking for it

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xris:

heh

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CyberKnet:

In my younger days that's exactly what I would have done to a 680lb mailbox.

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CyberKnet:

well.. sans dynamite.

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Speedy2:

Why was he asking for it? He didn't put up a sign that said "Try to take me down"

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CyberKnet:

Speedy2: A 680lb mailbox doesn't just say "try to take me down".... it screams it. =)

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Speedy2:

How would you know it's 680 lbs if you didn't try to lift it?

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scopeuk:

becouse the baseball bat whould bounce ;-)

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Juski:

slightly xenophobic advert on the suntimes page :-/

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Speedy2:

I don't see any ads.

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Juski:

I won't promote it by pasting the URL into here then

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dtm:

lol

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dtm:

!!!!!

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