Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, June 28th, 2006, 00:02 UTC

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TTT_Travis:

do you install plugins on the backend or frontend?

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Cardoe:

kormoc: where's the lircrc file have to go?

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kormoc:

Cardoe, ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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Cardoe:

hrm

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Cardoe:

that's what I've got

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Cardoe:

log shows nothing about reading it

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TTT_Travis:

froundend

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TTT_Travis:

frontend*

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kormoc:

Cardoe, mine doesn't as well, but with -v all it does

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Cardoe:

TTT_Travis: mostly the backend

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Cardoe:

of course as soon as I turn on logging it works

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Cardoe:

Now I need to get my sound working

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mchou:

man, this is ridiculous

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Cardoe:

and wow

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Cardoe:

horrible interlacing

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Cardoe:

and it's square on my widescreen... :(

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mchou:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5516263

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mchou:

buncha of literal loonies

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TTT_Travis:

to make it widescreen I think you have to change the frontend settings

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kormoc:

w switched between modes

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kormoc:

but stretching will look bad

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Cardoe:

my tv does it well

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Cardoe:

but it involves some chop

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Cardoe:

now my sound card isn't supported by alsa yet

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Cardoe:

mchou: nothing new

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mchou:

Cardoe: I dont see the appeal of space travel

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mchou:

at least not for humans

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Cardoe:

it's the last un-conquorered place I guess

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mchou:

mars rover was a much better expenditure of money and resources

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Cardoe:

now how the hell do I de-interlace this shit?

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mchou:

Cardoe: news flash, space has been conquerored :)

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xris:

mchou: that's a bit of an overstatement.

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Cardoe:

just a tad

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Aid`:

yeah i think exploring with machines is fine but why does a human need to be on a planet or moon? what can a human do that a machine can't?

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mchou:

xris: it's not an overstatement at all

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Cardoe:

perceive limitlessly

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mchou:

Aid`: and machine can do it much much cheaper and with much less risk

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xris:

mchou: so we send a few people to the moon and a few more into orbit of our own planet for a few months and that's "conquered"?

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kormoc:

Aid`, a lot. I don't think a mars rover can conqueror what we know as stairs

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mchou:

xris: it's conquered as far as useless expenditure of money is concerned

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Aid`:

there aren't stairs on isolated planets?

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Aid`:

:p

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kormoc:

Aid`, and it's sorta like the same question as, why visit anywhere in the world? there's people who will record it and you can watch it on tv.

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mchou:

Aid`: lol

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xris:

mchou: you haven't seen the population growth models recently, have you? we'll NEED to go into space soon.

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Cardoe:

why climb Everest?

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mchou:

kormoc: dont be silly

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Aid`:

for all we could know we could being watched right now by a far superios life form

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mchou:

xris: dont be ridiculous

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Aid`:

Cardoe: good question

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Speedy2:

If we put Professor Frink onto the task, he could design a robot that does everything!

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mchou:

xris: consider the ocean instead

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Cardoe:

why explore the Titanic?

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mchou:

xris: we know less about the ocean than we do of space

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Cardoe:

Why get out of bed in the morning?

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kormoc:

Aid`, and well, there are rock formations that look like stiars :)

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Aid`:

Cardoe: good question

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Cardoe:

why do anything?

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Aid`:

Cardoe: good question

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Cardoe:

curiosity

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xris:

mchou: space is easier. heh

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Cardoe:

ok so seriously...

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Cardoe:

de-interlacing

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Aid`:

WHO HERE BELIEVES IN LIFE OUTSIDE THIS WORLD?

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Cardoe:

cause if I was Wayne Brady... I'd be choking someone

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xris:

granted, more expensive for basic venturing, too

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xris:

Aid`: don't yell.

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Aid`:

sorry i had caps on for something else, forgot to turn off

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Cardoe:

this is annoying

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xris:

Aid`: and do you mean Dog, the almighty, or just your run of the mill martian bacteria?

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Cardoe:

the screen is too wide

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Cardoe:

so stuff is getting chopped in the menus

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Aid`:

xris: either, or both

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kormoc:

bacteria? yes, Dog? no idea, things on our level? I hope so, cause it'd be cool

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Cardoe:

gag me with a fork... only 1 wide screen theme?

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Aid`:

I wouldn't be surprised if there was millions of planets that are like ours, too primitive still to explore far far out

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Cardoe:

and the frontend crashed switching to it

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kormoc:

Cardoe, juski makes some WS themes I think

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xris:

Aid`: not so much on Dog (more of a buddhist on that side of things), but I'm with kormoc on the rest.

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Cardoe:

minmalist is HORRIBLE

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Cardoe:

can't even read the damn fonts

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Cardoe:

they're too big

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Cardoe:

hrm

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Aid`:

because the chance of having conditions that don't support life is probably high(could be wrong here and our solar system is just an exception) but there is the small chance of having life, and since the universe is not finite there has to be

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xris:

Cardoe: install a 3rd party one like syth of greyham

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Cardoe:

I guess I should make a myth-themes snapshot

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Cardoe:

xris: are they on the myth website?

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xris:

Aid`: who says the universe is infinite? (other than by definition, depending on which definition you use)

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xris:

Cardoe: wiki

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kormoc:

Aid`, we assume it's infinite, but we don't know, and likely never will

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Cardoe:

hrm

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kormoc:

given the end could be somewhere just beyond where we stop

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Cardoe:

mediacenter wide is an official theme

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Aid`:

well xris, the milky galaxy has such a high number of stars and planets the odds is simply to great to not have any life

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Cardoe:

I guess not for 0.19

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kormoc:

Aid`, ooh? that's not what I've heard

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pigeon:

is there a (designated) way to set a mythweb "read-only" to some people? (i.e. you can see anything, but you cannot add/change/delete recording/recorded/etc)

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Aid`:

kormoc: what have you heard?

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xris:

Aid`: wasn't disagreeing that it was possible. just that I'm pretty sure the general astronomical understanding of "the universe" is that it's expanding.. which means that it has an edge and is thus not finite.

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xris:

unless, that is, you define "the universe" as "everything that exists" in which case it's arguable whether or not that's a finite size and/or number of things.

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xris:

Cardoe: I use retro.. not wide, though... would like to use greyham, but it's buggy with svn.

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Aid`:

but can it really have an end? is there a brick wall thatm akes it stop? I dont get it

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kormoc:

Aid`, I heard that the actual conditions for life as we know it are rather rare, so that it's not that likely to happen, but that doesn't mean we're the only form of life that can exist.

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kormoc:

Aid`, http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/0387952 . . . 9361-5881316

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kormoc:

change that .de to a .com for a english centric page

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Aid`:

there could be life on a whole nother level that we can't even comphrehend(sp?)

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xris:

Aid`: depends on how you interpret "nothingness"

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groogs__:

My recordings don't seem to work: when I select a program, and select one of the record options ('record only this showing' for example), and then select save, if i go back to it, it says "do not record this show". anyone run into this before?

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Aid`:

okay my head is starting to hurt enough of this. Im 18 and i've never even thought about half the stuff you guys are saying

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kormoc:

Aid`, http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/Cosmos/ExpandUni.html

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Aid`:

its a bummer that you can'tspeed up time and see how the future is

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kormoc:

Aid`, http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=274

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groogs__:

'upcoming recordings' also says "you have not selected anything to record" even though I have in 'schedule recordings > program finder' (or using the guide in live TV)

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kormoc:

Aid`, who said you can't? just travel at as close to light speed as you can and (according to a lot of people) time will pass very quickly while it doesn't for you.

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groogs__:

oh, and to confuse things more 'set priorities' DOES show all the shows i selected in program finder/guide. And live tv recordings work just fine

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Aid`:

ok ill get right on that :p

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Cardoe:

ok seriously... 720p is a normal resolution... it's 16:9

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Cardoe:

why don't ANY themes fit it?

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xris:

Cardoe: greyham wide doesn't fit?

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TTT_Travis:

how do you install plugins on the Mac x86 frontend of mythtv?

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Cardoe:

xris: no

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Cardoe:

the font chops

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Cardoe:

maybe I'm setting the wrong DPI in X

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Cardoe:

all I am running is startx

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Cardoe:

startx --dpi 100 is that the command?

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kormoc:

you might just want to get the physical size of the display and do it that way

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Cardoe:

1280x720

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Cardoe:

16:9

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kormoc:

I mean in millimeters

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kormoc:

I have in my monitor section, DisplaySize 372.32 301.56

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kormoc:

which is the size in MM's, and it figured out the DPI based on that and the res of the display

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Cardoe:

wheres the displaysize line from?

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Cardoe:

xdpyinfo?

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kormoc:

xorg.conf

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kormoc:

ooh

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kormoc:

monitor manual

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kormoc:

and checked with a ruler

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Cardoe:

dimensions: 1280x720 pixels (160x90 millimeters)

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Cardoe:

resolution: 203x203 dots per inch

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Cardoe:

well..

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Cardoe:

reading the Xorg.0.log

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Cardoe:

it's getting the right stuff from DPMS

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kormoc:

what's the display's model number?

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kormoc:

so was mine, but it was quite off from reality

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Cardoe:

the manual even says it works with Xorg

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Cardoe:

it says they tested it with 6.8

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Cardoe:

or 6.7

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kormoc:

fair nuff, but forcing 100 dpi won't really help much (and 203 dpi seems small...)

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Cardoe:

Project Greyhem is terrible BTW

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Cardoe:

you can watch it draw each component on the screen

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sfullenwider:

Is zap2it generally reliable? It seems to move around a lot for me.

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kormoc:

Cardoe, so your screen is 6 inches by 3.5 inches?

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kormoc:

Cardoe, cause at a 203 DPI, that's your screen physical size :)

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sfullenwider:

My programs were an hour off one day, fine the next, and now today all of them are shifted forward a channel. ie stuff on channel 47 is now on shown to be on channel 48.

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kormoc:

sfullenwider, that generally doesn't happen

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sfullenwider:

I don't understand how or why it's happening.

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sfullenwider:

is there a way to force it to recheck zap2it?

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groogs__:

What's the lircrc command for page down? (config = )

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Cardoe:

sfullenwider: mythfilldatabase

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sfullenwider:

how is it updated?

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sfullenwider:

is there a way to force it to always --refresh-all ? will this help?

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sfullenwider:

shutting down the backend, running mythfilldatabase --refreshall, starting it all back up again solved the weird problems...

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dev:

hrm, i delete+re-recorded dirty jobs just now, and its not rescheduling it for later

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dev:

it thinks it was "already recorded"

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dev:

isnt that state supposed to be cleared from mysql

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dev:

believe thats a new little problem in -fixes

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dev:

sigh

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dev:

its always something

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dev:

that was through mythweb, went into mythfrontend and removed it from previously recorded (it was in there, along with a second show i did the same thing from)

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dev:

so hrm, would that be a problem with mythweb i guess

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nasa:

I'm using a pvr-500 which has composite/s-video/cable inputs. Right now I am using the composite and cable. Do I have to setup a source to add something on to the s-video? I have a new reciever which does its setup via menus displayed on tv....

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QuiteTrite:

Anybody out there awake?

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QuiteTrite:

Ok... Anybody out there playing around with the 10.1 SUSE distro?

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tims:

i was thinking of installing mythtv on fedora (it hasnt worked via gentoo, ubuntu, and debian i have mixed results, only got it to compile via apt-get, so none of the compiled addons work... I wanted mythstreamtv to work, anyone gotten this to work on fedora core5? I have no problem with 3 but would like the latest build...

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QuiteTrite:

I've got everything BUT mythstreamtv working on SuSE 10.

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tims:

ive gotten it working on debian, but since i switched motherboards to a faster processor it hasnt been the same and i cant rebuild it because all the tutorials are for older 2.4 kernels on older distros

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tims:

apparently mythstream is also a package? are they still called red hat packages on fedora?

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QuiteTrite:

Really? none of my installation is a package.

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QuiteTrite:

I even have to over-ride the default installation of ivtv to get it to work.

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QuiteTrite:

I tried getting streaming going, but there are too many dependencies that don't really work in the post 2.4 kernel world.

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QuiteTrite:

But the only real reason I want streaming to work is so that I can watch myth programs on my windows box.

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tims:

yep

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tims:

it was nice back when that worked on debian – heh

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QuiteTrite:

I bet.

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tims:

well here are the atrpms for fedora core 5...http://atrpms.net/dist/fc5/mythstream/

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tims:

i think its only for mythtv .19 though

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tims:

.16 rather

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QuiteTrite:

I've found that I can watch the movies over the network using vlc player, but I have to correlate which capture is which using mythweb.

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tims:

actually comments say 'Rebuild against mythtv 0.19'

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tims:

well, it should be easy to change the command to use in mythweb to launch the same way you do right ?

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tims:

all mythstream does is launch a vlc stream like you would from the command line

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simcop2387:

does anyone want to help in flooding the scifi channel with hate emails? they're showing wrestling, that is in no possible way SCIENCE FICTION

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Dagmar:

Flooding teh channel will do nothing

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Dagmar:

Email them telling them what you think about it might, tho

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Dagmar:

Personally, I agree with you.

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Dagmar:

I think they should be asking the programming director to pee in a little cup.

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simcop2387:

Dagmar: i'm trying to drum up support :) and one message is hardly flooding :)

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Dagmar:

I've already emailed and written them.

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simcop2387:

ha

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Dagmar:

Imagine how many other people are watching it and saying "WTF?"

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simcop2387:

i know

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Dagmar:

They might as well be showing Iron Chef

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Dagmar:

...except that would be more educational.

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simcop2387:

at least that could have an element of science fiction in it, make them use soylent green or something

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Dagmar:

In any case, giving an IRC channel trouble is highly unlikely to convince them of anything more than the existance of a few kooks

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Dagmar:

You'd be wastin' your time.

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simcop2387:

i wasn't giving this channel a hard time was i?

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simcop2387:

heh someone started a thread with a poll to voice your support to get it taken off hehe

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gnychis:

i can't get mythtv to start: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-3409542.html#3409542

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QuiteTrite:

gnychis: Have you tried doing a recording anyway?

[02:42:30]

QuiteTrite:

start up mythfrontend instead of mythtv.

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gnychis:

QuiteTrite: i can do this: "cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg" and its tv

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QuiteTrite:

Using ivtv drivers?

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gnychis:

yep

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QuiteTrite:

Try mythfrontend, and see what happens.

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gnychis:

whenever the main menu loads, i can't move anything, i can't select anything

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gnychis:

i have to ctrl+c it

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QuiteTrite:

that sucks.

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gnychis:

:(

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QuiteTrite:

any errors between IVTV INIT and IVTV END in dmesg?

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gnychis:

nope

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gnychis:

the thing is, i can see perfect tv and audio by cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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QuiteTrite:

did you compile the ivtvctl stuff too?

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QuiteTrite:

check whether it can change channels.

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gnychis:

it can change channels

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QuiteTrite:

Dunno.

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gnychis:

:(

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QuiteTrite:

I'm out of ideas.

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gnychis:

i'll try to e-mail the mailing list

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coolego1:

my MythTV has stopped flagging commercials. Any idea why?

[03:06:28]

coolego1:

it flagged them on a recording I made yesterday, but today it doesn't

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coolego1:

The only thing that may have changed is that I tried to transcode a recording today and that threw an error

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Speedy2:

Does anyone know if the comercial flagging code can be seperated into it's own executable?

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Speedy2:

I'd like to run the commercial skipping code on programs recorded previous to Myth

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coolego1:

I'd like to commercial flag in general at this point...

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Speedy2:

heh

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coolego1:

Another oddity, my mythbackend.log has absolutely nothing in it...

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coolego1:

can commercial flagging only happen when the box is not recording?

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hpAuto:

ivtv's instructions aren't working

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hpAuto:

why do I get ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw if I have the firmware installed

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hpAuto:

this makes no sense

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cappicard:

I'm getting this when running mythfilldatabase: Table 'mythconverg.dd_v_program' doesn't exist

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hpAuto:

problems gallor

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hpAuto:

god ivtv blows a fatty

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oldskools:

it doesn't swallow either

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hpAuto:

doesn't it know all I want to do is watch damn tv

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hpAuto:

I wish there were alternatives

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hpAuto:

I don't know of any

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oldskools:

I don't use ivtv

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oldskools:

*shrug*

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hpAuto:

for a pvr card

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oldskools:

dvb :)

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hpAuto:

what else can you do?

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oldskools:

I use a dvb-s card

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hpAuto:

oh

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oldskools:

so no ivtv

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oldskools:

coffee time

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libolt:

what would be a reason for mythtv-setup to refuse to import my channels.conf when I enter the full path to the file then press next? I've verified the channels.conf works fine with mplayer. It doesn't give any errors on the console and I know the DB settings are correct or nothing else in mythtv-setup would save

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libolt:

is the QAM HDTV setup on the wiki up to date for 0.19? I've tried manually entering the frequency information and such and I can't get it to display an image at all on HDTV channels while mplayer has no problems at all

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oldskools:

which 0.19?

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oldskools:

fixes?

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oldskools:

stable?

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oldskools:

svn-head?

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libolt:

this is mythtv debian packages from marillat

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oldskools:

hmmm

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oldskools:

no experience with those

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oldskools:

nor with much of the hdtv stuff

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libolt:

right now I'm tuned supposedly to one of the HDTV channels but i'm getting the "No lock" error

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oldskools:

restart backend?

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oldskools:

did the channel scan go okay?

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oldskools:

I would start there

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libolt:

I've changed the atscsrcid for the HDTV channels to 0, I've added proper frequencies, etc

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libolt:

no I followed the QAM wiki entry and switched the channel scan to import from channels.conf and it did absolutely nothing when I input the full path to the channels.conf file

[04:51:09]

libolt:

It's really frustrating that it didn't at least give some sort of error, I could work with that at least

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oldskools:

yea

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oldskools:

I use a dvb-s card and the scanning works fine

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libolt:

I'm using the avermedia a180 which works fine with mplayer

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** oldskools shrugs **

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oldskools:

maybe someone else would be more helpful

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oldskools:

did you try looking at mythtv-users mailing list?

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oldskools:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/

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libolt:

Yeah I've been digging through the archives without any luck, I know other people have got it working with the card and mythtv and I know someone else using COX cable here in phoenix got it working, they posted a working channels.conf which works for me as well, but mythtv won't import the damn thing

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xris:

$37 for shipping... that's more than 1/3 the cost of the gear

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LabMonkey:

where are the padding options? I set them before and now I can't find them to change them

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LabMonkey:

"padding being" record this many seconds early/late etc

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LabMonkey:

nm, found 'em

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Ross___:

Hey – mythFM with SVN – does it work?!?

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LabMonkey:

ok here's what I don't really get

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LabMonkey:

do I need my .lircrc in ~/ and ~/.mythtv/ or one or the other?

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Anduin:

LabMonkey: Neither, ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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** Brains got all excited as he watched a bit of Letterman in HD live from his cable box over firewire. Now, nothing... *grumble* **

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LabMonkey:

Anduin: thanks

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autojack:

what's likely to be better quality for video? old-school RF coax, or RCA composite video?

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dtm:

autojack: RCA

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dtm:

autojack: coax exists for long haul, like > 10 feet

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dtm:

with its heavy shielding

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dtm:

baseband cabling (what you see with the RCA ends) is made for short distance quality

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autojack:

ok, that's what I figured

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Hoxzer:

ok

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autojack:

another question

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autojack:

I'm using rca audio also, from my cable box to the mic in on my sound card

[06:14:02]

autojack:

for some reason all my audio is coming out the right channel only

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autojack:

instead of in stereo

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autojack:

any ideas why?

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dtm:

autojack: check your mixer

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dtm:

and did it ever work?

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autojack:

it works properly when not run through mythtv

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autojack:

like if I just use my coax line straight to my TV

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autojack:

as soon as I switch to my mythtv input, the audio goes weird

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Hoxzer:

ok, now I will start heavy testing for :) mythbackend -> put like 3 hours of recording straight

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Hoxzer:

so I can see if it willing to crash

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Hoxzer:

Lol I have to reconfigure mythweb

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hedpe:

if i download ivtv from subversion, which is 0.7.0 i think, in the instructions it has me checkout the latest version of v4l and build it, then install the modules, does this mean i should not include v4l support in the kernel?

[06:23:38]

autojack:

anyone using dct-channel with a motorola dct cable box?

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autojack:

I have it working from the command line, but myth fails to change the channel for some reason.

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alsoconfused:

not sure hedpe but when i built it against a stock fedora 2.6.17 kernel, i was unable to load the driver (complaints about version mismatches)

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asd26:

i killed my mythtv

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Hoxzer:

Btw, Can I listen Radio with DVB-C card?

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Hoxzer:

:D might be stupid question but for some reason I think it might be possible

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** Brains figured out what his issue was... "Apparently channel 828 doesn't have a proper stream... And myth changed the channel back to it no matter what I did. (mythtv-setup fixed that...)" **

[06:26:31]

** Brains is back watching HD... Leno this time. **

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asd26:

how does one test to see if the remote is working? lircrecord?

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hedpe:

anyone know?

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DGnome:

The 'livtv forcing jump to 1' -bug seems to still exist

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DGnome:

asd26: irw is the tool you seek

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asd26:

connection refused

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asd26:

tv_grab_au causing me a heap of trouble, install perl, rebooted and bang kernel panic

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asd26:

now i've reinstall the whole thing, now my remote won't work

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asd26:

mabe i know why

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alsoconfused:

asd26: ircat i think

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asd26:

i think i forgot to install the correct driver for my bttv card

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Brains:

Is there a way to force a channel change over firewire (DCT-6200) without relying on a proper video signal from the cable box?

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asd26:

this thing is not working..

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asd26:

how does one know if has the bttv irc senor loaded?

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DGnome:

asd26: lsmod tells me that i have a module called ir_common loaded, used by cx88xx module

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asd26:

it was going before i swear i followed the same steps

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LabMonkey:

ok

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LabMonkey:

remote seems to be fully functional now

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LabMonkey:

now for the lcd stuff

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asd26:

irw ? device?

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LabMonkey:

Anduin: don't suppose you could point my at some info for configuring the lcd output from mythtv, could you?

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hedpe:

how do i set my default channel? mythtv fails to start because it can't find the default channel '' in my database

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Brains:

hedpe: mythtv-setup

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hedpe:

Brains: i see it no where in there, i've been looking for atleast 15 minutes

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Brains:

hedpe: Gimme a second and I'll fire it up.

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hedpe:

Brains: greatly appreciate it

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asd26:

dudes how do i troubleshoot this?

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Brains:

hedpe: No worries. I believe it is looking for "Starting channel" under 4. Input Connections.

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asd26:

i have the correct lircd.conf

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hedpe:

Brains: under 4. Input Connections, I have: "[MPEG: /dev/v4l/video0] (Tuner 1)->(None)" ... "(S-Video 1)->(None)" ... Composite 1, S-Video 2, and Composite 2 ... don't see starting channel

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Brains:

hedpe: Heh, sorry, the option is under each input connection.

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** Brains only has one input connection so he just zips through that screen. **

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hedpe:

Brains: thanks :)

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Brains:

hedpe: It worked?

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hedpe:

Brains: i'm getting closer, i no longer get that error, but now whenever i try to run mythtv, i see "Invalid file (fd 15) when opening '/mnt/store//1027_200606283151.mpg' 12 retries remaining." .... it gives the same error down to 0 retries and quits

[07:18:10]

Brains:

hedpe: Sounds like a problem with the capturing. I got the same thing when I wasn't getting anything over firewire.

[07:18:36]

asd26:

oh dam

[07:18:48]

hedpe:

Brains: i am able to do "cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg" and then watch test.mpg in xine

[07:19:50]

Brains:

hedpe: Heh, we've exhausted my expertise already. I was avoiding the whole capture thing by going with firewire... (I've been using my hacked tivo until now.)

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Brains:

And, on that note and my tidbit of progress with getting the DCT-6200 firewire stuff working, I'm off to bed.

[07:21:02]

Brains:

hedpe: Good luck

[07:21:10]

hedpe:

Brains: thanks for the help!

[07:21:17]

Brains:

hedpe: My pleasure

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asd26:

my remote is dead

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asd26:

anyone know how to trouble shoot remotes?

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dtm:

asd26: sounds like a job for #lirc

[07:25:08]

asd26:

it work fine before i don

[07:25:14]

asd26:

get it

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dtm:

asd26: are you troubleshooting the handheld remote or the lirc or what

[07:25:59]

asd26:

lirc

[07:26:53]

asd26:

i did lirc

[07:27:05]

asd26:

lrw and geting nothing

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hedpe:

whenever i try to run mythtv, i see "Invalid file (fd 15) when opening '/mnt/store//1027_200606283151.mpg' 12 retries remaining." .... it gives the same error down to 0 retries and quits ... anyone seen this problem?

[07:36:14]

asd26:

i found that i have ir_common

[07:37:51]

GTswagger:

I am using Charter Communications for cable now, and the bastards disabled the serial port in the Motorola converter box and refuse to give me one that's enabled. Considering switching to DirecTV; do they do any lame disabling crap, and is there a model converter box you guys would recommend?

[07:38:56]

GTswagger:

hedpe — try this: touch /mnt/store//1027_200606283151.mpg

[07:39:01]

GTswagger:

then run the frontend

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hedpe:

GTswagger: those file names are relative to date/time aren't they? i think when i start again it'll be changed

[07:40:32]

hedpe:

the files are actually being created, i see them being created in the directory and deleted

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GTswagger:

hedpe — shouldn't be; unless you're trying to watch TV when you see that error

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hedpe:

I am trying to watch tv

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** asd26 jumps off a cliff ahh **

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hedpe:

i give up

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alsoconfused:

asd26: any luck zeroing in on the problem?

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asd26:

i found a site

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asd26:

but i have no idea if the receiever is picking up anything

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asd26:

http://www.burghardt.pl/wiki/articles/pixelvi . . . pv-bt878p_9x

[07:55:52]

asd26:

about 3 weeks ago i was here, i had the remote working

[07:56:50]

alsoconfused:

the lirc modules are loaded?

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asd26:

i think so, but i'm not sure which ones are for the card

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Anduin:

hedpe: There should be something useful in the backend log.

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alsoconfused:

lsmod|grep lirc ?

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asd26:

the main difference between today and two weeks ago i installed another DTV card

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asd26:

i have this old bttv bt878+rev9d just for the remote, since the DTV card's remote wouldn't work

[08:00:20]

asd26:

lirc_dev

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alsoconfused:

okay, so you probably still need the bttv modules

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alsoconfused:

try modprobe lirc_i2c

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alsoconfused:

btw, which distro is this?

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asd26:

debian

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asd26:

ok loaded a few more modules

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GTswagger:

hedpe — a few things to check:

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alsoconfused:

asd26: i remember using ircat to test

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GTswagger:

- permissions: do you have appropriate permissions for mythtv in /mnt/store

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GTswagger:

- path: is that indeed the right path .... (what's up with the double slash?)

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asd26:

this is crazy

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alsoconfused:

asd, you have ~/.mythtv/lircrc , yes?

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asd26:

yeah

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alsoconfused:

ircat --config=~/lircrc mythtv

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hedpe:

Anduin: here is my backend log: http://rafb.net/paste/results/sojNND39.html

[08:05:23]

eps:

in media library -> watch videos is it possible for it to display the folders within the folder it is in? we have around 300 files in the folder it lists and they are nicely sorted there...but they are a mess when we look at them in mythtv

[08:05:23]

hedpe:

GTswagger: i fixed the double slash, and the permissions seem to be ok, the files seem to be written to the disk

[08:06:24]

alsoconfused:

asd26: i had a typo in that cmd

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asd26:

no such file

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alsoconfused:

ircat --config=~/.mythtv/lircrc mythtv

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asd26:

thats because i'm ssh with root

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alsoconfused:

you can fix the cmd?

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alsoconfused:

any luck?

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asd26:

i don't think it did nothing

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alsoconfused:

it just sat there?

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asd26:

just a new blank line

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alsoconfused:

did you try using the remote

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alsoconfused:

?

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alsoconfused:

while it's sitting there?

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hedpe:

any last suggestions before i head to bed?

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asd26:

no, because it just excuted did nothing

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asd26:

wasn't waiting for anything

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alsoconfused:

asd26: can you do a pastebin of: strace ircat --config=~/.mythtv/lircrc mythtv

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tfm:

somebody here who knows qmake ?

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Dagmar:

You're not likely to get anyone to fess up to that one

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Dagmar:

You don't need to invoke qmake to build myth anyway

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asd26:

strace is not a command

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Dagmar:

It is, too.

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Dagmar:

You just probably don't have it installed.

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alsoconfused:

could be

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alsoconfused:

it's very handy

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alsoconfused:

can you get it easily?

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Dagmar:

alsoconfused: Does ircat glob filenames handed to it?

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Dagmar:

Otherwise ~ is going to be interpreted literally.

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alsoconfused:

~ will be interpreted by the shell

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Dagmar:

Okay yeah, forget I said that. I spent most of the day working on an AIX box

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alsoconfused:

bourne shell?

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asd26:

alsoconfused funny before all i did was put conf file and that was it

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asd26:

i did irw i think and u could see the key

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Dagmar:

Well, the shell on it wasn't born of anyone who was married, that's for sure.

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asd26:

but today nothing after a reinstall

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alsoconfused:

asd26: i have no idea why it broke, but if we figure out WHAT broke, we'll be on our way to fixing it

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alsoconfused:

i don't know anything about the software you installed for the new card

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LabMonkey:

damnit

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LabMonkey:

I've managed to screw around to the point where mythfrontend segfaults on startup

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alsoconfused:

asd26: you should be keeping your eyes on /var/log/messages as you try stuff

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LabMonkey:

crap

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alsoconfused:

LabMonkey: what? after rebuilding it, or changing config

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eps:

does any one know a nice guide to install lirc?

[08:23:44]

eps:

I'm using debian and I can't get it to go right

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LabMonkey:

alsoconfused: nah, I was trying to make it stop recording, thinking that might be why I can't change the audio sampling rate for this profile

[08:24:55]

alsoconfused:

the backend is stubborn like that sometimes

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LabMonkey:

it won't stop :(

[08:25:21]

alsoconfused:

right. it doesn't happen to me much in the newer versions though

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LabMonkey:

0.19

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asd26:

alsoconfused there must be a step by step guide on how to get lircd going

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Dagmar:

eps: Basically if you're confused just run setup.sh I think it's called.

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alsoconfused:

asd26: there are many of them, all frustrating last time i used them

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Dagmar:

eps: It will construct a reasonable set of configure script args for you

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alsoconfused:

is there anything in dmesg about it detecting your remote?

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eps:

Dagmar: it seems installed, I seem to be stuck at getting the config file right

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Dagmar:

eps: I just Google for someone else's.

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Dagmar:

URC-6131 yay. $14 at wal-mart. No muss, no fuss.

[08:27:20]

LabMonkey:

asd26: I got lucky and found someone else's config for my remote then added the buttons that were missing

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LabMonkey:

erm

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eps:

Dagmar: hasn't worked in the past, going off the one at the lirc site atm and running into a lot of distro specific problems (namely atm debian puts the device in /dev/lirc0 not /dev/lirc)

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LabMonkey:

maybe that should have been directed at eps

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** eps plays around more **

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alsoconfused:

asd26 lirc was the hardest part of mythtv for me. different versions worked differently.

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** LabMonkey shrugs **

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eps:

LabMonkey: I think I have the config for mine...

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eps:

mmm

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alsoconfused:

asd26: is the lirc daemon running?

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asd26:

ok it's working

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asd26:

root@mythtv:~# liw

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asd26:

-bash: liw: command not found

[08:29:32]

asd26:

root@mythtv:~# irw

[08:29:32]

asd26:

0000000061d6d02f 00 2 pixelviewp

[08:29:32]

asd26:

0000000061d6906f 00 5 pixelviewp

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asd26:

0000000061d6a05f 00 4 pixelviewp

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alsoconfused:

what do you think made it come alive

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asd26:

modules was wrong

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alsoconfused:

asd26: don't paste lots of stuff here

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asd26:

bttv card=70

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alsoconfused:

congrats dude!

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eps:

when I run mode2 no keypresses of any types come up :|

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asd26:

but i'mn still confused

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eps:

I have nfi if lirc is working or not

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asd26:

alsoconfused i wouldn't mind geting my other remotes from DTV tuner cards going

[08:31:29]

alsoconfused:

eps, you can test the lirc stuff independant of myth

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alsoconfused:

asd26: i think if you load the correct modules and give it the proper config (button info) for the remote it will work

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alsoconfused:

asd26: check the lirc page to see if it's supported

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LabMonkey:

grrrr

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asd26:

alsoconfused i don't think so

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LabMonkey:

I absolutely CANNOT change the sampling rate

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asd26:

DGnome i think has the same remote..since i found out my cards might be using the same IR

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DGnome:

asd26: my remote came with my nova-t

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DGnome:

asd26: i hade problems with finding the right event device

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DGnome:

had..

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eps:

alsoconfused: is there a way to test the hardware...I'm interested to see if my ir sensor is dead or some thing? I have tried other remotes using mode2 to detect it but I have no idea if lirc is working or not (the daemon is running without errors)

[08:36:03]

asd26:

DGnome i have ir_common

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asd26:

loaded

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asd26:

i think mine uses the same chipset as yours

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eps:

lirc_i2c: chip found @ 0x18 (Hauppauge IR)

[08:36:42]

eps:

lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 10

[08:36:49]

eps:

the ir chip is found

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eps:

but it just doesn't seem to work

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alsoconfused:

eps, start the lirc daemon and use ircat to test

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asd26:

eps how u do the search for ir?

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LabMonkey:

I don't suppose there's some backdoor way that I can force the sampling rate, is there?

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eps:

asd26?

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eps:

alsoconfused: I'm not sure of the switches for ircat... -h doesn't say much

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asd26:

DGnome what config u using for your remote? u have anyrhing else loaded?

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alsoconfused:

eps: ircat -c ~/mythtv/lircrc mythtv

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eps:

kk

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alsoconfused:

if it just sits there, hit buttons on the remote

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DGnome:

asd26: 00:0a.4 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [IR Port] (rev 05) <-- umm, nope, just followed some howtos on how to configure lirc

[08:40:01]

eps:

mmm where is lircrc hiding :|

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asd26:

eps /home/mythtv/.licrc i think

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eps:

yeah

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asd26:

alsoconfused what does that ircat do?

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alsoconfused:

like unix cat command

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alsoconfused:

for infrared

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asd26:

i find it painful slow, configuring the files via nano

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DGnome:

irw is easier than ircat

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alsoconfused:

it just shows you what commands are being given at the remote

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eps:

nothing is returned when I use the remote

[08:42:18]

eps:

I mash the keys etc and nothing

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asd26:

it's not working

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DGnome:

eps: wrong evdev?

[08:42:31]

eps:

could the reciecer be borked or is it software

[08:42:34]

eps:

evdev?

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asd26:

eps u have a config file?

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DGnome:

eps: event device

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eps:

it is a win tv 350

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eps:

Hauppauge IR

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asd26:

cat /etc/lird.conf

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eps:

I've got about ten remotes in there

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eps:

one of them is mine

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** asd26 now for the painful process of editing lircr **

[08:44:07]

eps:

though I'm more concerned that the reciever/card is in fact broken...is there a way to see if the remote/card works at all?

[08:44:17]

eps:

like I'll be happy if I just see a key press go through

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alsoconfused:

eps: i have the same remote. the top of my /etc/lird.conf is # model no. of remote control: Grey (PVR-350) ~

[08:45:29]

alsoconfused:

i have lirc 0.8.0, but have used older versions to

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eps:

# brand: Hauppauge

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eps:

# model:

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eps:

I'm using lirc 8

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alsoconfused:

my card is a 250, but i think the remote is the same

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asd26:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/hauppauge/PVR-350.jpg that it?

[08:46:05]

eps:

no, it's the other one

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eps:

the earlier one

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eps:

with the four coloured buttons around the nav keys in the centre

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alsoconfused:

right colored buttons around the nav pad

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alsoconfused:

my conf file says 350 though

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eps:

yeah I got my config file off the net and it has a list of remotes from hauppaug

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eps:

do I need to delete all the ones that aren't mine?

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alsoconfused:

i would

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alsoconfused:

simplify as much as possible

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eps:

though how do test it though...like there are ways to see raw key presses for keyboards

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alsoconfused:

with ircat or irw

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eps:

yeah they don't return anything

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eps:

even if I try a bunch of remotes against the sensor

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alsoconfused:

maybe cat /dev/lirc0

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alsoconfused:

i don't think the card will send anything for foreign remotes,

[08:50:52]

alsoconfused:

i just tried cat /dev/lirc0

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eps:

nothing returned from cat

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alsoconfused:

it shows me some characters with the hauppage remote, but nothing for other remotes

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eps:

right

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eps:

shows me nothing at all

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DGnome:

DEVICE="/dev/input/event3" ...

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DGnome:

that's where my remote is at

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eps:

mythtv@farnsworth:~/.mythtv$ echo $DEVICE

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eps:

nothing returned

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asd26:

DGnome could u paste your /etc/lircd.conf somewhere?

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DGnome:

asd26: sure

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kayelem:

A clue can be had from cat /proc/bus/input/devices

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eps:

thanks

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eps:

back soon, dinner

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DGnome:

asd26: http://pastebin.ca/73801

[08:56:08]

DGnome:

asd26: and.. http://pastebin.ca/73802

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LabMonkey:

ok now I'm just pissed off

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Chicago:

How do I run mozilla somewhat transparently so I can still watch fullscreen NYPD Blue?

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asd26:

i need to back this hardrive

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DGnome:

Chicago: research XGL

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Chicago:

DGnome: KDE has an "Advanced" and then "Special Window Settings" on the window's header bar... There is even an opacity setting there... but it appears not to work. I'm wondering if It's cause I'm watching fullscreen XV.

[09:11:38]

Hoxzer:

You guys wanna know a secret?

[09:12:16]

DGnome:

Hoxzer: my underwear is not grey?! omg..

[09:12:40]

DGnome:

Chicago: mkay, XGL is the only way to fly i hear :)

[09:12:45]

Hoxzer:

DGome: theyy aren't???? O_o I have always thought they are grey wtf

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Hoxzer:

:(( you cheated me

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Chicago:

DGnome: Thanks for the hint. I'm checking about XGL now.

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DGnome:

Hoxzer: great craptacular catastrophies!

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Hoxzer:

yep!

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DGnome:

Chicago: think google video has some great demo-video of it

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LabMonkey:

ok I cheated

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LabMonkey:

I editted the database

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Hoxzer:

you what!?

[09:20:47]

LabMonkey:

my sample rate was stuck on 48000

[09:20:52]

Hoxzer:

Lol, thats why Dgnomes underwear wasn't grey

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LabMonkey:

wouldn't change

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LabMonkey:

so I changed it in the db

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LabMonkey:

now it's not only set correctly, but the option is unstuck

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LabMonkey:

now... I must sleep

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Hoxzer:

but I saw this one girl when I was coming to work :O

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Hoxzer:

in the train

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Hoxzer:

and I kept looking her like "O_O"

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Hoxzer:

and then she watched me

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Hoxzer:

[09:23:46]

Hoxzer:

I got scared

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Hoxzer:

like nowdays girls are mean :((

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Hoxzer:

like she had boobies and ... face

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asd26:

anyone know how create an image of mythtv ? i want image the hardrive just incase it stuff's up again

[09:24:19]

LabMonkey:

it's a sign of the apocalypse

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Hoxzer:

LabMonkey: :(

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kayelem:

hehehe... Hoxzer, I've always found staring back at a guy staring at me kinda puts them off...

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LabMonkey:

well

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LabMonkey:

my friend's cat likes to stare at people... and it typically intimidates them

[09:25:21]

LabMonkey:

however I just stare back

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LabMonkey:

and he loses interest

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kayelem:

asd26, man 1 dd

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eps:

back

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eps:

dinner was good :D

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asd26:

dd?

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kayelem:

asd26, yeah. with if=/dev/hda of=/path/to/some/file.img

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kayelem:

asd26, that will create a full image of the disk as a file.

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asd26:

hda is the whole hd i guess

[09:28:38]

kayelem:

asd26, yup.

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LabMonkey:

dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda[0–9]

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LabMonkey:

best encryption evar

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kayelem:

LabMonkey, now that's just cruel... ;-)

[09:29:01]

LabMonkey:

well yeah

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LabMonkey:

but I'm cranky because I've been up all night jacking with my remote and LCD

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asd26:

how do i make it live again?

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LabMonkey:

then the stupid sampling rate

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asd26:

lets say i have kernel panic?

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LabMonkey:

hit the reset button

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LabMonkey:

kernel panics are nothing to panic over

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asd26:

do i insert a boot disk? then dvd with image to ?

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LabMonkey:

now if your drive physically melts or something.. that's different

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kayelem:

asd26, well, if you just have a kernel panic, then boot from a livecd and fix the problem... I've never actually *needed* to image a drive and restore from it.

[09:30:47]

LabMonkey:

and if you're wanting a backup of particular files, you really should have a look at the various backup softwares which are freely available

[09:30:50]

asd26:

well i did today

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asd26:

i lost my whole mythtv box

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asd26:

it's pain to set it up

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kayelem:

asd26, but if you did need to restore from that image, dd again... with if=/path/to/image.img and of=/dev/hda

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LabMonkey:

if means input file and of means output file

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LabMonkey:

where either file can be a block device

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kayelem:

asd26, but what you're probably better off with is some sort of backup/restore s/w.

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asd26:

yeah

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asd26:

that should read the image i guess

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asd26:

i mean i could create the image

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LabMonkey:

seriously... your best option is a backup software system

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asd26:

i'll need something to boot off and restore the image

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LabMonkey:

I have stuff setup here so it's completely automated...

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Hoxzer:

lol

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kayelem:

asd, shove the drive in another system

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Hoxzer:

I was wondering why doesn't compile work

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LabMonkey:

if a drive dies, I buy a replacement and restore the data from backups

[09:33:32]

Hoxzer:

now I added some patch for i686 and runs like charm

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LabMonkey:

ok

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LabMonkey:

I need sleep

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LabMonkey:

nytol

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Hoxzer:

No

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Hoxzer:

NO dont leave

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Hoxzer:

Did you know locke is a man of faith

[09:34:04]

LabMonkey:

:(

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Hoxzer:

and likes to play black and white

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LabMonkey:

locke? wth is that?

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Hoxzer:

LabMonkey: lost? haven't you seen lost?

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LabMonkey:

-.-

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Hoxzer:

LabMonkey: are you lost or something?

[09:34:39]

LabMonkey:

like... once

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LabMonkey:

at a friend's house

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Hoxzer:

LabMonkey: Dontload season 1 and 2 really GOOD series

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Hoxzer:

LabMonkey: :D I'm a total fan like I read lostpedia 24 7

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kayelem:

asd26, never used it myself, but I've considered http://www.bacula.org/

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LabMonkey:

too busy preping the new HTPC for new stargate stuff next month

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LabMonkey:

gotta tune the transcoding and renaming stuff ,etc

[09:35:51]

Hoxzer:

LabMonkey: there is everything like everything :D they even calculated how many toes does someone have

[09:35:59]

LabMonkey:

which reminds me

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Hoxzer:

just downlaod it :(

[09:36:22]

LabMonkey:

apparently the cable signal comes in a 4:3

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Hoxzer:

I dont really watch much tv with my box :(

[09:36:42]

Hoxzer:

my mother and father does

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Hoxzer:

Mainly I just play Xvid and Divx movies ^^

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LabMonkey:

I wonder if it's possible to convert it to 16:9 without distorting, and without clipping the top/bottom

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Hoxzer:

^^ no I dont think so BABEEEE

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LabMonkey:

ok

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LabMonkey:

coffee or amphetamines?

[09:38:01]

Hoxzer:

Looks like that i686 acutally worked :o

[09:38:14]

Hoxzer:

like Still no errors and have been doing this like 40mins now

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Hoxzer:

btw, guys If I buy one tv-card that has tv-out in it does it work like regular videocard or does it only provide output for tv-singal?

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Juski:

morning

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Hoxzer:

morning

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Hoxzer:

Juski: is it possible that fakeroot buildpackage freezes?

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Juski:

say who?

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Hoxzer:

well It is stuck :(

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Juski:

nice

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Hoxzer:

distcc[9379] (dcc_build_somewhere) Warning: failed to distribute, running locally instead

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Hoxzer:

and wont continue from that

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Hoxzer:

do you think I should kick it or something

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Juski:

you need to run the distcc daemon on another machine for it to work, and tell it to accept requests from other hosts

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Juski:

just nixxed a nasty problem on our gear (I think).. in NTSC mode we have the field rate etc correct but not the equalising pulses.. NTSC timings with PAL syncs.. velly bad

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asd26:

i think i'm making an image of my hardrive

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Juski:

just confirmed.. I fixx0red it. woohooo

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asd26:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2667597824 Jun 28 20:14 image.img

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asd26:

how big is that?

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Juski:

2.6GB

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Juski:

ish

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asd26:

Juski lets say i want to recover my linux box

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Juski:

oops

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Juski:

a couple of weeks ago I might've suggested G4L, but not now

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Hoxzer:

Well Juski atm I'm running windows so :(

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Hoxzer:

I guess I cannot run run distcc on another machine

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Juski:

course you can – it's just harder to run it on windows

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Juski:

but then I've seen more experienced people than me saying they couldn't get it to work on a windows box

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qu0zl:

Hoxzer, you shouldn't need to run distcc on another machine to compile on that machine, like that error msg says it's failing over to running locally. which is fine

[10:30:24]

qu0zl:

i dunno why it isn't continuing for you tho. i do half my compiles with no other distcc machines up

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qu0zl:

you can disable distcc in configure i think

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qu0zl:

vi the configure file and check

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Hoxzer:

qu0zl: there cc="gcc" :o

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qu0zl:

--disable-distcc disable distributed compilation (distcc)

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qu0zl:

from configure --help

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Hoxzer:

:O

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qu0zl:

so add that to yuour configure line

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Hoxzer:

I want you to know that I'm using dpkg-buildpackge not make

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Hoxzer:

Can I somehow symlink it to the gcc?

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qu0zl:

Hoxzer, buildpackage still involves configure

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Hoxzer:

:/ Oh

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Juski:

obviously, because you can invoke distcc from make (or not) veyr easily

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qu0zl:

just go find the configure line and edit it. try debian/rules if i recall correctly

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qu0zl:

or grep!

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Hoxzer:

qu0zl: ./configure --prefix=/usr --disable-distcc

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Hoxzer:

isn't that riiight?

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qu0zl:

depends on what you want to use. that doesn't enable much. Where'd you get the package from? it should include a sensible default configure line

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Hoxzer:

it includes automatically all I need

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qu0zl:

ok, so it already had --disable-distcc?

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Hoxzer:

qu0zl: well I did that configure, then I tried to do it again and it seems to use it anyway

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liran_:

weird how i cant find mythtv's log file

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qu0zl:

Hoxzer, did you edit the debian/rules file to include --disable-distcc?

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qu0zl:

running configure manually will do no good

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liran_:

i've also noticed that the mythconverg database have a mythlog table but it's empty :P

[10:42:13]

Hoxzer:

qu0zl: I think that one fix did ^^

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Hoxzer:

qu0zl: there is a patch for knoppmyth users who compile mythtv ^^ so I used it

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qu0zl:

cool

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Hoxzer:

so what if I edit it :O

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Hoxzer:

there is someline CXX=distcc :o

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asd26:

kayelem thats network backup tool?

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Hoxzer:

what if I do CXX=gcc

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Hoxzer:

does it CRASH everything like in the movie?

[10:44:42]

Hoxzer:

I think I will blow the whole world up now that I try it

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kayelem:

asd26, I've not used it; but it looks like it can automate backups between machines.

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asd26:

dd if=/dev/hda of=/myth/tv/hd.image seems so simple

[10:46:19]

Hoxzer:

qu0zl: ok... seems like it is using gcc now insted of distcc

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kayelem:

asd26, it also creates huge files – it backs up all the unused space on a drive. Also, can't necessarily restore to a drive of different capacity.

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asd26:

kayelem dd?

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kayelem:

asd26, a proper backup tool will create "incremental backups" – a backup of just the changes; allowing you to, say, roll back to just before something broke; or last week...

[10:48:02]

qu0zl:

asd26 if you want backup diskimages might be worth looking at gnu partimage

[10:48:19]

qu0zl:

it won't back up empty space and it'll compress the files and can backup/restore over a network

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asd26:

http://martybugs.net/linux/image.cgi

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kayelem:

asd26, and a proper backup tool will allow partial restores, or restores to different filesystems with different partition layouts. Say you get a bigger drive and partition it differently, you can restore to it.

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asd26:

i'm geting the backupcd

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asd26:

hey if i'm creating an image of hdd to the same hd? won it copy the created image to the image?

[10:50:09]

kayelem:

asd26, and any decent backup tool can be set up to back up every night so you don't forget :)

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qu0zl:

asd26 trying to dd a running system to itself is not going to work

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qu0zl:

you need to boot from a linux live cd or similar and dd it to another drive

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kayelem:

asd26, nope, you'd need to boot off a livecd, or shove the drive you want to restore to in another system and use that to dd the image back on.

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kayelem:

asd26, also, if you're using dd, the image of the drive is the same size as the size of the drive itself – so you need to dd to a file on another system (say, an nfs mount on another machine) with enough room. 60G harddrive == 60G image file.

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** asd26 pulls his 8GB **

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asd26:

but it's like 4 GB full i think it's a 60GB

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kayelem:

asd26, proper backup software is rather better than imaging the disk, IMO.

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prologic:

Does anyone have a .asoundrc for mythtv to dmix mythtv's sound output ?

[11:06:08]

prologic:

since mythtv doesn't support alsa yet :/

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eps:

any one who has had a 350 have they had any trouble with the IR cable not fitting into the IR port correctly? we've just tested ours extensively and it needs to be pushed to the left for a signal to go through to the card ...it is one of the ealier versions of the 350 card from around 2002/03

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kayelem:

prologic, mythtv's working fine with alsa on mine. what's "not supported" about alsa? Unless you didn't compile with alsa support...?

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Juski:

btw.. GreyFoxx if you're around.. I've got something you might like to see :-)

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prologic:

kayelem, hmm I'm not sure

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prologic:

but when I run mythtv no other sound can be heard

[11:12:31]

prologic:

it chews up the audio device

[11:14:09]

prologic:

do I need to change the audio device to /dev/adsp or something ?

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kayelem:

prologic, I'd not notice that as nothing's ever making any sounds apart from MythTV. But it *is* set with "ALSA:default" as the output device and I've no OSS emulation on that box.

[11:14:28]

prologic:

hmm

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kayelem:

prologic, ALSA:default as output device. all the /dev/dsp ones are OSS or the OSS emulation that alsa does.

[11:15:16]

kayelem:

prologic, it's not in the list, you have to type it.

[11:15:22]

prologic:

ahhh

[11:15:29]

prologic:

now all makes sense

[11:15:34]

prologic:

I'll try that hold on

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prologic:

ahh crap

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prologic:

no audio :/

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kayelem:

prologic, <ahem> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Digital_Sound

[11:16:51]

prologic:

I just ran the mythtv-frontend and configured the audio device to ALSA:default

[11:17:03]

prologic:

and I get no audio (with other apps pumping out audio)

[11:17:22]

kayelem:

prologic, you should change the mixer device from /dev/mixer (OSS) to "default" as well

[11:17:32]

prologic:

ahh

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prologic:

k back to the config :)

[11:18:14]

prologic:

yes!

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prologic:

it works :)

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Zider:

try creating the "default" alsa device thingie then? :)

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prologic:

done done

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kayelem:

Zider, ?

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prologic:

works thanks guys :)

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prologic:

one more problem outta the way

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kayelem:

prologic, and gal... ;-)

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prologic:

oh okay

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prologic:

and gal :)

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prologic:

cyas

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kayelem:

np :)

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Zider:

pcm.!default { type hw card 1 device 4}

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Juski:

kayelem: you ever heard of a tektronix vm700t? been playing with one today

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Zider:

in .asoundrc

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Zider:

just change card and device to fit your system

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kayelem:

Juski, hmmmm – probably a bit new for me... the 585 I'm waiting for was last made in 1962...

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Juski:

heh

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kayelem:

Juski, sold for $1700 in 1962, though. not a bad 'scope...

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asd26:

u dudes own cars?

[11:21:33]

kayelem:

size of a small car, though...

[11:21:44]

Juski:

the vm700t is prolly the modern day equivalent then.. something like $20,000 now

[11:22:24]

kayelem:

Juski, probably. Tektronix 'scopes always strike me as "precision laboratory instruments" not mere "test gear" ;-)

[11:22:24]

Juski:

hernia in a box

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kayelem:

Juski, iirc the 585 weighs 71lb...

[11:23:07]

kayelem:

I need to make a stronger bench...

[11:23:28]

Juski:

what's that in kilos?

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Juski:

this thing is about 20kg I think

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kayelem:

32kg

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kavorka^:

is anyone using tv_grab_au here?

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** kayelem finds a pic of a vm700t... ooooh... sexxxy... <drool> **

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kayelem:

Juski, ahh... not a 'scope... serious bit of specialised kit... lovely...

[11:25:46]

Juski:

yeh it's a bit more than 'scope ;-)

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kavorka^:

the reason i ask is that as of a week ago, mythfilldatabase isnt populating my database anymore...but everything seems to be running fine?

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Juski:

we're _finally_ getting round to quantifying the output specs of our video recorders

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kayelem:

Juski, I've played with a rackmount Marconi waveform monitor from the sixties; probably an equivalent thing for the time.

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Juski:

so today will mostly be comprised of looking at bowtie diagrams & crap like that

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eps:

hey I'm just reading a thread on fixing my ir port and it noted that you can see the ir pulses in digital cameras or video cameras...so grabbed mine out and you can see them plain as day...I'm interested how that happens: why does it show what you can't see?

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Juski:

eps: easy. because CCDs used as image sensors in cameras have a different spectral sensitivity than the human eye

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eps:

Juski: and the screens just translate it into visible colours in their range?

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Juski:

infact the only thing to have the same spectral sensitivity is.. the human eye

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MindOfChaos:

Can MythTV operate IPods and deal with iTunes?

[11:29:31]

Juski:

eps: the sensor just converts it into an electrical signal. the tv/monitor converts the electrical signal back to light

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Juski:

MindOfChaos: nope

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asd26:

Ipods don't have tuners

[11:30:07]

asd26:

and onyl last until apple make a new model

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Juski:

Ipods aren't cool either, no matter what anyone tells you :-P

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eps:

so do common ccd's see ultavilot?

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Juski:

eps: nope

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asd26:

i dislike portable music

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** MindOfChaos is still in the process of Downloading MythTV **

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eps:

ours shows up green, is there any reason it would use that to represent ir since it is at the middle of the spectrum?

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asd26:

some people have been killed, because of listening to music while they where running

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MindOfChaos:

oh

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Juski:

eps: more to do with the lameness of the camera you're using. look on wikipedia to see how a CCD camera works & you'll find out why

[11:32:10]

epoch:

asd26: is that the fault of the music, or the fault of the people? ;P

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qu0zl:

the people

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epoch:

clearly

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MindOfChaos:

I just wanted to know cause I want to use some DJs set up as a test for media applications

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MindOfChaos:

I am going through and trying different things

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epoch:

people get themselves killed doing the dumbest things

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epoch:

it's no reason to dislike portable music

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MindOfChaos:

But most of his music is stored in a itunes format

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Juski:

DJs.. there's another thing perceived as 'cool' by the masses, when the opposite is true

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MindOfChaos:

Like War

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eps:

asd26: a friend wrote a haiku you would like... I love my ipod. <br> completely oblivious. <br> oh no traffic – splat! – rofo

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MindOfChaos:

War is stupid

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Juski:

people are stupid. people make war.. war == stupid

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kayelem:

iTunes tends to store in m4a, iirc. Which most Linux music s/w will deal with if support's compiled in.

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eps:

Juski: thanks very much, it is interesting :D

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kayelem:

m4a == AAC ?

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epoch:

kayelem: not always... I have only mp3s in my iTunes library

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kayelem:

epoch, ahh... i know it'll work with mp3; but i know most Apple folk seem to use AAC.

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Juski:

we've been sent a 3 CCD camera from JVC to test stuff with – only the lens they sent doesn't work. damn shame cos the camera is over 800 lines resolution!

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kayelem:

I know a few folk who have Macs and iPods...

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epoch:

I suppose that's the default

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** epoch <- has a mac and an ipod **

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kayelem:

Juski, stoppit, you're getting me excited...

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asd26:

any of you dudes have high IQ's?

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Juski:

ky55E.. damn shame it's NTSC too

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Juski:

asd26: IQ is no measure of real intellect

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kayelem:

Juski, I'm still recovering from the Tek video measurement set...

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epoch:

I have an IQ of 33

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epoch:

is that high?

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epoch:

;)

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kayelem:

high IQ means you're good at IQ tests... ;-)

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epoch:

[07:36] <Juski> asd26: IQ is no measure of real intellect

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epoch:

spoken like someone with a low IQ! ;)

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Juski:

last time I took one of them stupid online tests it came out around 135 or something

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eps:

I have a mac and an ipod, I also have a bunch of linux boxes :)

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Juski:

that number means I don't drink enough beer

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MindOfChaos:

Yea theres a program you can buy from a store called IQ builder

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asd26:

I got 90- 100

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kayelem:

I've had anywhere from 120 to 198.

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qu0zl:

i've got 20 higher in online ones than i actualy am. they're totally crap

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MindOfChaos:

To help prepare you for doing well in IQ tests

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MindOfChaos:

:D

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joen[nslod]:

Can someone help me with this (maybe linux related) mythtv problem?:

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qu0zl:

then the online test tried to sell me acopy of the test :)) lol

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asd26:

Then what is considered inteligent?

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kayelem:

fairly pointless measure of anything; I've met some people with high IQ who were good at being stupid...

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Juski:

anyway to hell with IQ – it's virility that gets the species prolonged. no point being a genius if you're sterile.

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kayelem:

Juski, ah well, that's me out :-(

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Juski:

I dunno about me yet either, in all honesty. I will be blaming my mobile phone in such an event though ;-)

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epoch:

as far as I'm concerned, intelligence is more about knowing how to ask the right questions than knowing the right answers

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joen[nslod]:

When I try to write somethig to hd, there is the message: no space left on device, but a df says: /dev/hda 26% in use

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JimBowen:

Hello, was wondering if anyone here knows the fix to the problem whereby mythtv thinks it is using all it's inputs for recording when it is clearly not...

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kayelem:

Juski, well, imo; kids == less time/space/money for playing with tech... :)

[11:41:24]

Juski:

JimBowen: cancel the recording you started before livetv crapped out

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kayelem:

epoch, or just generally knowing how to look and where to look for answers...

[11:41:43]

Juski:

(not this channel, fer sure) :-P

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epoch:

kayelem: that's what I said ;)

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JimBowen:

I get that message if I try livetv.. I have removed the lockfile in the recordings directory, and there are no recordings scheduled.. I assume this is a database thing

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JimBowen:

Juski: there are no recordings to cancel :(

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Juski:

JimBowen: oh but I bet there are

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JimBowen:

Juski: I deleted all rows from the recordings table, still no luck

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Juski:

there's no bug AFAIK that mythtv thinks a recording is in progress when it isn't

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qu0zl:

JimBowen, check system status and see what it says your tuners are doing

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JimBowen:

ok

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** Juski whistles **

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asd26:

i honeslty prefer to sit in front a computer at home to go to work 4 days a week

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MindOfChaos:

hey

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MindOfChaos:

You can disable features in MythTV so they dont appear easily right?

[11:45:11]

Juski:

yeah

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Juski:

I'm gonna disable livetv because it's so lame in 0.19 (and causes my wife to press buttons randomly til it crashes)

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JimBowen:

Juski: ahahaha, that causes the backend to die. I'll check the logs. >:(

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qu0zl:

it really is a bit dodgey in .19

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Juski:

like I've said before – it's a conspiracy to stop people using livetv, and rightly so

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qu0zl:

the gf is not impressed with me upgrading at all. she doesn't understand why i'd want to mess with something that's working as far as she's concernce

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asd26:

u can stop live tv?

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qu0zl:

concerned

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Juski:

asd26: just take the menu item out of the theme file

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JimBowen:

Nope this wasn't mythtv's fault it was very much mine... Looks like I forgot to include DVB support last upgrade... >_>

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Juski:

oopsie

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JimBowen:

Cheers again Juski :)

[11:48:30]

joen[nslod]:

who likes to help with a "write-problem"? http://pastebin.ca/73887

[11:49:49]

Juski:

ouch

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JimBowen:

joen[nslod]: Tried a fsck?

[11:50:13]

Juski:

are you asking him for a fsck? :-P

[11:50:21]

joen[nslod]:

no, im reatively ew to linux ..

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Juski:

proceed with caution...

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joen[nslod]:

okay i will man before, thanks

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Juski:

don't do it with the disk mounted, ffs ;-)

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Hoxzer:

Fyr fyck fh4k3

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Juski:

shut up hoxzer

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Hoxzer:

:D

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gardengnome:

aight

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Juski:

aye

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Juski:

s'up?

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Juski:

:-/

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gardengnome:

hehe ;)

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Hoxzer:

ok,

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Juski:

ye gads. my bored-band has been upgraderered

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Juski:

and I didn't ask them for it

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Hoxzer:

you know guys

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Hoxzer:

I'm working in the office

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gardengnome:

you are employed?

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Juski:

omg!

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Hoxzer:

: not really IT pro

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Hoxzer:

Just like excel tables and such

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Kelerion:

NTL do that a lot Juski.. whats it up to?

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Hoxzer:

But I have not been given anything to do durning these three days

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Hoxzer:

:D

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Hoxzer:

So .... I'm littlebit confused

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Hoxzer:

do you think I should go to my boss and ask whats uP?

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Hoxzer:

or just idle here with you?

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Juski:

Kelerion: about double what it was yesterday apparently

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gardengnome:

Hoxzer: ask your boss, for god's sake

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Kelerion:

they're nice folks at NTL huh? lol

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Hoxzer:

:D

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Juski:

Hoxzer: not being given anything to do by your boss is usually a bad sign. i.e. they want to make you bored so you leave. they obviously hate you

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Hoxzer:

Juski: :[

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Kelerion:

or they just don't think him capable of doing anything?

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Juski:

either, or both.. who knows.

[11:57:08]

Juski:

my desk phone is internationally enabled, I could find out

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joen[nslod]:

http://pastebin.ca/73891 its clean...

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Hoxzer:

:D this makes me feel kinda loser you know?

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Juski:

the world needs losers. oh wait...

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Hoxzer:

like everybody is "hmm.... maybe he knows that he is capable of doing anything hmmmm... maybe or maybe his boss hates him or ..."

[11:59:06]

Kelerion:

or they've forgotten you exist?

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Hoxzer:

:D

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Hoxzer:

that is alsa an option

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Hoxzer:

*also

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gardengnome:

well, you're probably dead

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Hoxzer:

Yep :/

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kayelem:

I'm sure some big companies have employees they've forgotten about, lurking lost departments, wondering what to do, for years...

[12:00:25]

Hoxzer:

:D

[12:00:34]

Hoxzer:

they just log them selves in

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Hoxzer:

the morning and go home

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Hoxzer:

But since monday I haven't seen my boss :/

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gardengnome:

maybe they're having an orgy and you're not invited

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JimBowen:

joen[nslod]: df -i /myth

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Hoxzer:

:E luckily because everybody is so oold here

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JimBowen:

you may be out of inodes

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Hoxzer:

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Hoxzer:

:DD gave good expression

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Hoxzer:

But honestly I dont know my account for it

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Hoxzer:

:/ mayabe I just should go and "Wazzaaap BOSS how are you doing got some work for me?"

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Hoxzer:

then he says "No. go to hell"

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joen[nslod]:

outch

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joen[nslod]:

http://pastebin.ca/73895

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joen[nslod]:

but what is the problem then?

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JimBowen:

joen[nslod]: I would suggest you change that partition to reiserfs... ext2 sucks. :(

[12:06:46]

JimBowen:

but you have data on it...

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gardengnome:

JimBowen: the docs say that reiserfs is not recommended for a recording partition

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joen[nslod]:

unfortunatly yes

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JimBowen:

gardengnome: ext3 then

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Zider:

I use reiserfs tho :P

[12:08:19]

JimBowen:

gardengnome: though certainly when reiser4 is included into standard kernels it will pwn all the rest.. :) but this is not a filesystem discussion channel

[12:08:25]

JimBowen:

I use reiserfs also

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JimBowen:

it works fine and will never run oput of inodes like ext2

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joen[nslod]:

its a knoppmyth auto install ... i thoght that would work ... ;)

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JimBowen:

joen[nslod]: I am surprised that you have so few inodes on such a big partition.. with what parameters did you create the filesystem?

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JimBowen:

16MB blocksize or something silly like that?

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joen[nslod]:

i dont really know: as i said, its an auto install

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Hoxzer:

well my boss was apsend

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gardengnome:

apesend?

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Juski:

heh. auto installs can be sucky. like umbongo setting udma to be disabled by default :-/

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Hoxzer:

absend god damnit

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gardengnome:

absent ;)

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Hoxzer:

lol

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Hoxzer:

forget about it

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Juski:

gardengnome: been reading the fs453/454 datasheet for programmers.. interesting. might tell me what's wrong with the fs454 module

[12:13:58]

Juski:

(yes I said _wrong_)

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Juski:

RGB SCART mode not worky worky

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gardengnome:

green picture?

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Juski:

yup

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JimBowen:

joen[nslod]: maybe you can fix with tune2fs

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gardengnome:

JimBowen: sounds like my problem.

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JimBowen:

you'd have to rtfm, i've never used it as I use reiserfs :P

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JimBowen:

the -j option effectively turns it into ext3 it seems

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joen[nslod]:

im reading the man page of tune2fs. sounds complicating... but the data on that drive is not that important ... i will give it a try

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Hoxzer:

Juski: but would yyou be my friend if you we met irl?

[12:18:01]

Juski:

you coming to lrl?

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Hoxzer:

:P yeah, today to your house

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JimBowen:

joen[nslod]: If it's not important you may as well run mkfs.reiserfs /dev/hda4 that is if tune2fs doesn't work

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Juski:

yeah right

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Hoxzer:

then you will teach me how to dj <3

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Juski:

rotflmao

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Hoxzer:

and then you are like "LOL Being dj is totally uncool"

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gardengnome:

now it's getting creepy

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kayelem:

JimBowen, I'd mention XFS but this isn't a filesystem discussion channel... ;-)

[12:19:22]

Juski:

gardengnome: I've had a stalker twice in my life. that was enough

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gardengnome:

Juski: i get stalked by our freshmen. that's helluva annoying

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JimBowen:

kayelem: quite. :P

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Juski:

bunny boilers suck

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kayelem:

JimBowen, but... well... what can I say... I've used it on all my boxen since 2000-ish and haven't ever had a fs problem.

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roger55:

hi juski

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JimBowen:

kayelem: I can say the same of ReiserFS. :)

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kayelem:

JimBowen, we all advocate what we use :)

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roger55:

Juski, about the s100 DOM thingie, isn't that supposed to be usable on another PC's ide slot? mine just makes the bios hang.

[12:24:29]

Juski:

roger55: works in either

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roger55:

Juski, :(

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roger55:

Juski, I meant not in the s100

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Juski:

oh... hangs a PC BIOS... prolly needs power on pin 20 I think

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Juski:

or one of the pins

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roger55:

Juski, aha!

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roger55:

I got the same model as you have btw, no 2nd ide slot and no pci slot

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Juski:

roger55: just boot off a cdrom on the 2ndary ide port on the s100 & fdisk /dev/hda where the DoM is

[12:26:13]

roger55:

Juski, I'd first need to get some soldering skills :)

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Juski:

if you wanna see what the joints should look like: www.juski.co.uk/s100/

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roger55:

and I don't have the vga cable yet. just got the box yesterday.

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** Juski spots a business opportunity **

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gardengnome:

hehe

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roger55:

haha

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joen[nslod]:

it worked! thanks a lot JimBowen

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JimBowen:

joen[nslod]: :) cool.. e2fstune or reiserfs?

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joen[nslod]:

reiser

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joen[nslod]:

i copied the files via samba before, so everything is fine now...

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JimBowen:

ah. ^_^ glag to hear it.

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asd26:

mount /dev/hda /mnt/temp1? requires filesystem?

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Zider:

don't you mean /dev/hda1 ?

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asd26:

i want mount the whole drive

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Zider:

why?

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asd26:

so i can clone the whole thing with dd

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Zider:

you can with a partition too

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asd26:

the paration is being created

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asd26:

dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/temp2/image.img

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Kelerion:

anyone any idea why ubuntu would be freezing on the install of this new server of mine?

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Kelerion:

it seems to lock up at the partitioner part of the install

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Kelerion:

am suspecting it's something to do with the sata drives.. but 6.06 has specific support for this server

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Zider:

asd26: dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/mnt/temp2/image.img works just as well ;)

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asd26:

Zider but thats one paration on the HD

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asd26:

knopmythtv has two

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Zider:

but if there already are partitions on the HD you can't mount the entire drive (dev/hda)

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asd26:

hey if kill the HD, delete everything would dd if=/mnt/temp2 of=/dev/hda restore it to scratch?

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Zider:

I think so.. not sure about the MBR tho.

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asd26:

i'm backing up for a purpose lol..

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Zider:

backup is usually for a purpose ;)

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Hoxzer:

;)

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Zider:

I prefer archiving the files in the filesystem, that way I can replace with different size drive and/or different file system..

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asd26:

i think it would simpler, just to back up hda1 to hda2 since hda2 is storage of tv shows it's not important

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asd26:

but hda1 has the mbr i suspect

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Hoxzer:

But guys

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Hoxzer:

there should be some program that could lett you view comps webcam without user knowing it ^^

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Hoxzer:

so I could give "webcams as gift" to girls -> install it and then watch them ^^

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Kelerion:

how old are you again??

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Hoxzer:

:D I'm pretty old but I have been nolife like 5 years so ...

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Zider:

asd26: no, the partition doesn't have any MBR

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Hoxzer:

so I haven't really aged durning that time

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Zider:

asd26: that's "outside" the partition

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Kelerion:

no.. really.. how old are you?

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asd26:

Zider can that be added?

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Hoxzer:

usually I get like this when I'm bored and I have had few sleepless nights

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Zider:

asd26: the MBR? sure, just boot a livecd, chroot to the partition and reinstall grub

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scopeuk:

oh yay my digibox is starting to glitch up good times :-(

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asd26:

i need to work tommorrow i don't want to

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Juski:

Hoxzer: if you need to get laid that bad there are people called prostitutes. no shame in it. well, my last flatmate seemed to think so anyway :-P

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Hoxzer:

Juski: welll...

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asd26:

every woman takes you cleaners anyway, prositutes ends up long term cheaper solution

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Hoxzer:

Juski: there is one bigger reason why I dont hit girls :(

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Hoxzer:

Juski: :( but It is usual for men actually

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Hoxzer:

Juski: like arabs cut it off you know BUt for me it is too tight so ...

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Hoxzer:

so I talk about it in irc

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Hoxzer:

and dont do anything about it

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asd26:

sexual attraction belongs to the flesh, higher knowleage belongs to the spirt

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MindOfChaos:

mofo

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MindOfChaos:

I still cant install mythtv

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MindOfChaos:

If I try and compile it from source it complains that I dont have lamemp3 which I DO have

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MindOfChaos:

If it try # yum install mythtv-suite it tells me its not there even tho I have added all the correct repositrys

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qu0zl:

MindOfChaos, do you have the -dev package for lamemp3 as well as the normal package?

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qu0zl:

if it's like debian/ubuntu they normal package doesnt include development stuff

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MindOfChaos:

maybe not

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liran_:

im wondering if a developer would be willing to provide an example code for a configuration screen for mythtv which i can use as a reference to develop some plugins

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asd26:

http://martybugs.net/linux/image.cgi hail this

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asd26:

oh dam it's piple of junk

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asd26:

now i'm geting black crap

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asd26:

block can't read

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kayelem:

liran_, download source for a plugin or several and work from that?

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Zider:

asd26: nice.. make an image of an entire PC? with hardware and everything? riiiight ;D

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asd26:

I'm going to try back it up now..

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melunko:

Hi, I'm trying to use the board s-video input, but mythtv requires to create a channel for it. Whe I create a channel, the board complains the channel is not valid. Anyone with time to help?

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asd26:

great keneral panic hail

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melunko:

Mythtv request me to add channel to this source, but s-video doesn't have any channel to be set

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melunko:

???

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liran_:

kayelem: i tried that. infact it's exactly what ive attempted to do but im struggling with stuff that i'm not sure how to solve.

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liran_:

kayelem: i dont have a deep qt/c++ knowledge. just the basics

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kayelem:

iirc there's a qt tutorial, i workrf through it some time ago.

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liran_:

i've done qt3 before with designer

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asd26:

dd copys even empty space

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kayelem:

asd26, yup. it creates an exact image.

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asd26:

kayelem i just wiped one paration out

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asd26:

now i'm restoring it, i hope it boots

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asd26:

lol it boots

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liran_:

what is the GalleryConfigurationGroup class for? (found in mythplugins/mythgallery/mythgallery/gallerysettings.cpp)

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Juski:

liran_: you need to read the doxygen documentation, pronto

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Juski:

anyway I think you answered your own question

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liran_:

hey Juski

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liran_:

i managed to get it compile and running

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liran_:

i'd probably need some more help though to get it fully working

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Juski:

I need to start messing with the code again one of these days

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Juski:

make my 'easy to use' GUI resize interface :-P

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liran_:

heh

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der_oschni:

yes

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der_oschni:

no

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Nem^:

Hi folks

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Administrator:

any Xebian mythers around?

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Nem^:

whats the card type used for Nebula Electronics DigiTV in myth-setup ?

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Aid`:

Administrator: i have debian sarge

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thostr:

that's on Xbox as well? sorry for the n00b question

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thostr:

Aid: that's not on Xbox like Xebian I guess

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Juski:

Nem^: DVB-T

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Juski:

thostr: I use xebian

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thostr:

Juski: 0.19 of mythfrontend?

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Juski:

yup

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Aid`:

thostr: i suppose they are similar

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Juski:

xebian only comes with mythfrontend – no plugins

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kayelem:

ah, Juski – you're not in PAL land, by any chance?

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thostr:

Juski: after I upped to 0.19 from 0.18, mythfrontend keeps freaking out and exits mid flight

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Juski:

kayelem: PAL-I guy

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kayelem:

Juski, GreyFoxx might be interested in some register dumps off your xbox...

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Juski:

kayelem: he got em

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kayelem:

Juski, unless he's already asked?

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Juski:

and I have a little pressie for GreyFoxx

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Juski:

!seen GreyFoxx

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MythLogBot:

GreyFoxx is here and has been idle for 20 hours 35 minutes 1 second

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thostr:

Jusky: so you use vanilla 0.19, no SVN-snapshot or anything?

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kayelem:

Juski, ah, cool :) There's hope for PAL on msntv2 :)

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Juski:

kayelem: I have the programmer's reference data sheet for the fs454 encoder :-D

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kayelem:

Juski, ohh... :)

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Juski:

thostr: it's based on 0.19-fixes I think, but I compiled it with a later version (thanks to distcc) and all the plugins I wanted too

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thostr:

Juski: know if it's available as a debian package from somewhere?

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Juski:

thostr: I could roll up my filesystem image if you like – if you have any upload space

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thostr:

Jusky: hey that would be great

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Juski:

thostr: yeh it's available, but not from thehunter.ws anymore

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Aid`:

thostr: mythfrontend is a debian package

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Juski:

thostr: drop me a message on mythtvtalk.com & I'll sort it out for you

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thostr:

Aid: don't think I can use standard packages for Xebian

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Juski:

thostr: I think you can.. for most packages I needed I just used apt-get :-)

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Aid`:

Oh well

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Juski:

Xebian is pretty much just Debian with a couple of tweaks here & there AFAIK

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thostr:

Juski/Aid: platform wise the xbox is just another x86 pc, so I agree, don't really know why I thought Xebian packages were different

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Juski:

kayelem: today's coup de grace (for me anyway) was finding out that on our DVR (at work) we were outputting NTSC but with only 5 equalising pulses instead of 6

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kayelem:

Juski, oops...

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Juski:

the fs454 has a register to change that, despite it having a mode select register bit for NTSC/PAL :-/

[16:42:00]

Juski:

kayelem: yeah.. silly programmers eh

[16:42:27]

Juski:

the vm700 didn't lock onto the signal before I discovered that snafu

[16:42:48]

kayelem:

Juski, I wonder how programmable that is... thinking about 405/819 and so on...

[16:43:04]

Juski:

kayelem: looks like you can put out some pretty wacky modes

[16:43:30]

thostr:

another n00b question for you: I've deleted some recorded programs from disk using find -ctime -exec rm, now mythweb will not show me 'recorded programs', just hangs there. I guess it's caused by a mismatch in the database and file store, is there a quick way to remedy this problem?

[16:43:30]

Aid`:

would it be wise to do a net boot off a gamecube and then use that as a frontend?

[16:43:38]

kayelem:

Juski, as I understood it, most of the common TV encoders would only do 525/NTSC and 625/PAL – though this could be a limitation of the driver.

[16:43:53]

dtm:

Aid`: hahaaaa! cool

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kayelem:

Juski, in what form is this programmer's reference... (leading question...)

[16:44:32]

Juski:

kayelem: it'll also do a VGA passthru mode, but you have to get the syncs out yourself

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: You have gifts for me ?:)

[16:44:39]

Aid`:

that still doesn't even remotely answer my question :P

[16:45:00]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: yup... I'll have to PM you in a bit

[16:45:07]

GreyFoxx:

cool :)

[16:45:14]

kayelem:

Juski, now *this* sounds interesting. Could possibly have found the perfect box for MythTV on funny standards...

[16:45:23]

dtm:

Aid`: the only thing is that it has 40MB.. but people use the xbox as a mythfrontend and it has only 64MB

[16:45:32]

dtm:

Aid`: so i would assume that it'd work

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Aid`:

net boot is confusing

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dtm:

Aid`: have you attempted to play the codecs you'd want to use, on it already?

[16:46:15]

Aid`:

no, ho wwould i do that?

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dtm:

Aid`: okay have you even loaded linux on it?

[16:46:41]

Aid`:

nope i dont have a small dvd that fits yet

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kayelem:

Juski, feel free to PM me for an email addy if you might have something of interest...

[16:46:50]

Juski:

damn. need to start GAIM

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dtm:

Aid`: do you have a modchip that boots custom DVDs?

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dtm:

Aid`: or how do you intend to boot it

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Aid`:

what options do i have?

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dtm:

Aid`: ok *you're* confusing.

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Aid`:

i dont know what im going to do

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Aid`:

i dont have a modchip

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Aid`:

is there a way to boot it w/o a modchip

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dtm:

Aid`: well then how on earth is netboot confusing you if you have no way to even attempt it?

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dtm:

Aid`: justfuckinggoogleit.com

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Aid`:

i tried it over a serial port

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Aid`:

for my old old laptop

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dtm:

*boggle*

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: there you go. that should throw some light on the subject :-)

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kayelem:

biab, food's ready

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Juski:

kayelem: consider that the fs454 lets you control the amount of lines & stuff.... ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: did you /msg me swomething? I never saw it

[16:52:16]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: I thought I did...

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Juski:

ahh faq

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Nem^:

jusk1: do you need to set a complile option to see the DVB-T card type ?

[16:53:01]

Nem^:

Juski: ^^^

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Nem^:

:-)

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Juski:

Nem^: mythtv needs to be compiled with --enable-dvb

[16:54:05]

Nem^:

scratch that question!

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Nem^:

ta

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Juski:

if you compiled it by yourself, then it'd be understandable to miss that, but if it's from a package that would trouble me

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Aid`:

.

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Nem^:

nah .. its just been a while since I compliled it

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libolt:

hrm well I've apparently made some progress in getting HD recordings to work, still nothing usable, but now when I tune in a channel via mythtv I get a "Partial Lock" on the lower part of the display instead of "No Lock" I've also updated to the latest SVN instead of using hte marillat debian packges

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Juski:

hahahahahaha. the guy that sits behind me has made a battery pack for his son's Ipoo. it looks like a battery pack with a bunch of wires coming off it, and his son was gonna be going through customs with that. I think we just saved his son from a probing

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Juski_:

exit

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was-lcase:

has somebody with DVB-S and the current version problems with receiving pro7?

[17:07:58]

durin42:

can anyone tell me if there's a functional difference between a PVR-150 and a PVR-150MCE other than included software?

[17:08:19]

kormoc:

other then perhaps a remote and a fm tuner, nope

[17:09:09]

durin42:

cool, thanks

[17:12:07]

Juski:

right i think it's hometime. enjoy the datasheet if you got it ok, GreyFoxx :-)

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Aid`:

hey for somereason now my TV Analog doesn't work

[17:29:12]

Aid`:

it use to work when i modprobe'd it manually but now it doesn't and i dont know wut i did

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Aid`:

omg

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speedsix:

Hi all

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mogorman:

hi

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mogorman:

is there a way to do a recording schedule so that it records the show on any channel at anytime, unless its a rerun?

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Aid`:

anyone have any idea why it doesn't allow me to use coax in?

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mogorman:

not configged correctly

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rtsai:

mogorman: configure the "duplicate checking" options; one of them is "no repeats" or something like that

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mogorman:

hmm okay i didnt see that

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Aid`:

mogorman: it did work about 2–3 weeks ago i dont see how it isn't configured properly

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mogorman:

i only use mythwev

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mogorman:

er mythweb to configure it

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mogorman:

but ill look thanks

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Aid`:

when i try to remove it i get: FATAL: Module bttv is in use.

[17:47:16]

Aid`:

but i dont know what is using it

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kormoc:

lsmod will show you what's using it

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kormoc:

(in terms of other modules)

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kormoc:

and lsof /dev/v4l/video0 will show you any programs using it

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Aid`:

nothing

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kormoc:

could also check dmesg

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Aid`:

so should i unload the modules that are using it?

[17:49:54]

kormoc:

yes, you need to unload the modules that are using it before you can unload it

[17:50:17]

Aid`:

yeah its using the wrong tuner, but i have no idea how to specify

[17:50:41]

nasa:

Does anyone know if it's possible to program the "harmony 880" under linux?

[17:51:33]

speedsix:

nasa, nope

[17:51:44]

nasa:

damn

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Aid`:

kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/74105 it says using tuner=-1, which i think is a problem

[17:52:04]

nasa:

no love using wine?

[17:52:09]

gardengnome:

tuner=-1, doesn't that mean its autodetected?

[17:52:09]

speedsix:

I'm pretty sure even the web interface needs active X controls to actually communicate with the remote

[17:52:23]

speedsix:

I use XP in vmware to program my harmony 525

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kormoc:

Aid`, so change it

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kormoc:

gardengnome, aye, that it does

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Aid`:

(12:50:45) Aid`: yeah its using the wrong tuner, but i have no idea how to specify

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Aid`:

so its auto detected?

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speedsix:

nasa, not sure about wine

[17:52:57]

kormoc:

bttv and tuner autodetection is flaky out the wazoo

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gardengnome:

Aid`: well, with bttv, you might have to set the tuner type manually. look at /usr/src/linux/Documentation/bttv/ /IIRC)

[17:53:05]

kormoc:

Aid`, it attempts to

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nasa:

ok, thanks speedsix

[17:53:23]

speedsix:

it's a bit confusing, it says it works with any web browser yet it downloads little programs when you attempt to update it

[17:53:27]

Aid`:

well tuner bttv0: detected: Hauppauge WinTV [card=10], PCI subsystem ID is 0070:13eb and tuner, 10 is right

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kormoc:

so then it auto-detected correctly

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Aid`:

bttv0: Hauppauge eeprom: model=29440, tuner=<NULL> (-1), radio=no bttv0: using tuner=-1

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Aid`:

-1 means its wrong?

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** kormoc sighs **

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kormoc:

no, -1 means to attempt to auto-detect

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kormoc:

and the line you just pasted before, you said it detected it correctly

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Aid`:

well obvisously something is wrong because i can't use it correctly

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kormoc:

Well, make up your mind. Eather auto-detection works or it doesn't.

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Aid`:

how do i specify it manually then?

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kormoc:

depends on your distro

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Aid`:

well it says it detects the right one, card=10 but i always did 'modprobe bttv tuner=10' does that make a difference?

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Kelerion:

ok.. I need a really simple step-by-step guide to installing ubuntu.. anyone got one to hand?

[18:04:55]

Aid`:

i got it to work but i had to do a force rmmod unload

[18:05:16]

gardengnome:

Kelerion: insert disk, hit enter a few times, reboot?

[18:05:54]

stuarta:

if suffering repeat failure, apply large hammer.

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Kelerion:

well thats simple.. lol

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Beirdo:

step 1, ask in #debian and get kick-banned

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Beirdo:

heh

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TinheadNed:

'lo

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Beirdo:

I'm hungry

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TinheadNed:

anyone know if the hauppauge hvr 1100 works? i'm debating that or a second nova-t

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kormoc:

TinheadNed, linux-tv.org

[18:17:11]

TinheadNed:

kormoc: it says that my nova-t won't work, so I consider it out of date

[18:17:55]

TinheadNed:

regarding the hvr 1100 it says that there is a driver in the kernel, and also that there is no support, which makes no sense

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kormoc:

you can update it, it is a wiki after all...

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** stuarta lobs Beirdo some cheese **

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** Beirdo cuts the cheese **

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Beirdo:

heh

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TinheadNed:

kormoc: yeah, and if I had one I would :)

[18:19:12]

kormoc:

TinheadNed, I mean about your nova-t

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TinheadNed:

kormoc: ah – good idea

[18:23:28]

TinheadNed:

kormoc: "You need to search for more information, not yet supported well. drivers included in kernel 2.6.12" is there currently. I'm loath to change it in case there's something I don't know

[18:25:46]

TinheadNed:

found a page on the gentoo-wiki with someone setting up an hvr, although not in mythtv

[18:26:26]

Brains:

I've seen a mention of a firewire kernel bug that affected mythtv's use of firewire. Anybody know what versions were affected? I can't seem to find a mention..

[18:27:33]

TinheadNed:

Brains: no idea, sorry

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** Brains is watching non-HD content from his HD cablebox via firewire (with separate front and backends to boot). **

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TinheadNed:

btw, would anyone know why suddenly my mythfrontend has stopped displaying a lot of text labels in config screens and dialogues? it's really weird

[18:30:50]

** Brains has that problem but that is a known issue (affecting far more than mythtv) with the nvidia driver version and the xorg he's using. **

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TinheadNed:

Brains: I'll check my emerge log and see which I changed

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mogorman:

hey is there any auto-suggest tool ala tivo for mythtv that is still active, i saw mythrecomend and tvwish but they seem dead

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Beirdo:

haven't heard of an active one yet

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TinheadNed:

hmm, the hvr 1100 uses the same driver as my nova-t

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TinheadNed:

so it might work

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TinheadNed:

Brains: out of interest, what version of xorg/nvidia-glx are you using?

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Brains:

TinheadNed: I'm using the 8762 nvidia stuff with xorg server 1.1.0

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** Brains is also running Gentoo. **

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TinheadNed:

Brains: ta (gentoo here 2)

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kormoc:

I just masked the new xorg server

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melunko:

Anyone with time to help?

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kormoc:

melunko, nope, we're all busy

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melunko:

I would like to know how to set the transcoder

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melunko:

:(

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melunko:

to a specific format

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kormoc:

myth's internal transcoder only deals with one format

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gnychis:

can someone check out my post? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=459155 ... mythtv won't start, it says Invalid file (fd 15) when opening '/mnt/store//1027_20060628031541.mpg' ... i am not using NFS, frontend and backend are on the same server

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kormoc:

gnychis, does the file exist?

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melunko:

kormoc: What format?

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melunko:

mpeg2?

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kormoc:

melunko, it will only go into .nuv I beleive

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xris:

melunko: it will do lossless mpeg2 commercial cutting (not transcoding), or transcode to divx or rtjpeg video in a nupplevideo container.

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LoneShadow:

if I compiled and installed 0.19, can I just overwrite it with 0.18 ubuntu package ?

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gnychis:

kormoc: it does create that file

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xris:

LoneShadow: did you run .19?

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LoneShadow:

yea

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TinheadNed:

dinner time

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xris:

LoneShadow: then no... not without a clean database

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LoneShadow:

aah ok, so just need to cleanup the database

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xris:

LoneShadow: lots of db changes between .18 and .19... but why are you downgrading?

[18:57:09]

LoneShadow:

having problems compiling on my frontend, most likely I will have to reinstall the distro

[18:57:18]

LoneShadow:

instead I could just install ubuntu packages for 0.18

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xris:

why not use the ub packages for .19?

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melunko:

xris: What happens when I change the transcode settings to Low? Frame rate? Resolution?

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xris:

melunko: that's all configurable

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LoneShadow:

dont think they have 0.19 package out yet

[18:59:11]

xris:

LoneShadow: not in apt, no...

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melunko:

xris: I didn't find where to configure the transcode in this level

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** xris forgets the name of the repo that's building .19 packages **

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LoneShadow:

oh

[18:59:44]

xris:

melunko: setup -> tv -> recording profiles -> transcode profiles

[18:59:58]

xris:

melunko: just like the default recording profiles

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LoneShadow:

I found it :D

[19:00:07]

LoneShadow:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Debian_packages_for_0.19

[19:00:19]

LoneShadow:

ok now to remove 0.18 package :D

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melunko:

xris: ok, I believe I will need to add some other transcoding formats, what files should I touch?

[19:04:43]

xris:

melunko: like avi?

[19:04:58]

melunko:

H.263 for example

[19:05:13]

xris:

write a module for nuvexport, send it to me, I'll add it.

[19:05:25]

xris:

otherwise, nuvexport is your best option

[19:05:32]

xris:

mythtv can't do it internally

[19:06:14]

melunko:

xris: thanks

[19:08:04]

xris:

melunko: never had any luck with h.263 in linux, so there's no nuvexport module... audio is always messed up

[19:08:58]

xris:

any non-english users around who want to do me a quick favor?

[19:09:14]

gardengnome:

xris: maybe :)

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xris:

gardengnome: SELECT DISTINCT category_type FROM program;

[19:09:34]

xris:

are those in english or german? (particularly "movie")

[19:09:39]

LoneShadow:

hmm, sit dosnt exist anymore

[19:09:41]

LoneShadow:

site*

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: that datasheet any good for you?

[19:10:52]

xris:

LoneShadow: weird

[19:11:14]

LoneShadow:

ftp site is there, the folder for the mythtv packages is not there

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Beirdo:

hey, GreyFoxx... Liberty had a power failure... go figure, the DHCP server didn't come up right by the looks of it :)

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xris:

LoneShadow: dunno what to say.. maybe go back to figuring out why your compiles are failing?

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gardengnome:

xris: wait a second.

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LoneShadow:

I found some other repos from ubuntu forum, trying that now

[19:15:54]

gardengnome:

xris: it returns "series" and "movie". looks pretty english to me :)

[19:17:19]

xris:

gardengnome: good enough

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LoneShadow:

is there a need for mysql for the frontend ?

[19:19:20]

GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

the frontend talks to the database

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xris:

LoneShadow: not for the server, but you do need the headers to build it

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** xris goes to eat lunch **

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Asacarny:

hi all

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Asacarny:

i'm using mythtv on my debian sid box.

[19:25:54]

Asacarny:

when i try to change channels in the frontend though, the video freezes and the frontend says it lost its connection.

[19:26:45]

gnychis:

can someone check out my post? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=459155 ... mythtv won't start, it says Invalid file (fd 15) when opening '/mnt/store//1027_20060628031541.mpg' ... i am not using NFS, frontend and backend are on the same server

[19:27:17]

Mattwj2005:

anyone using the pchdtv-5500?

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gardengnome:

gnychis: are you use 0.19? does it happen when in livetv?

[19:30:07]

gnychis:

gardengnome: media-tv/mythtv-0.19_p10281 .... i never see any video at all, it happens when i try to run "mythtv", which i think runs livetv

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gardengnome:

humm, this version should already have the relevant livetv fixes. never mind then.. you might want to check the backend logs, though.

[19:31:28]

gnychis:

i've checked the backend logs and don't see anything weird: http://rafb.net/paste/results/sojNND39.html

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Mattwj2005:

It appears there has been some kernel development for the pchdtv-55000.....does anyone know how long it takes for this new code to become released in a new kernel?

[19:31:59]

Mattwj2005:

http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2 . . . amp;s=pchdtv

[19:34:33]

Juski:

bugger. only 58 takedowns in one race :-/

[19:35:07]

Juski:

who was round here earlier asking about xebian?

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: That's for that datasheet. It'll be handy once I get my s100!

[19:36:56]

GreyFoxx:

Whenever I actually order one hehe

[19:37:09]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: no good for the msntv?

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GreyFoxx:

nope. Different encoder chip. IT's the cx25873 on the msntv

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

for which the datasheets are everywhere

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GreyFoxx:

that's why itwould be handy to find a xbox linux user

[19:37:50]

GreyFoxx:

I have those

[19:38:02]

GreyFoxx:

that's how I got the modes going I have alkready :)

[19:38:02]

Juski:

I need a cx23416 datasheet

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Juski:

just to look at out of curiosity though.. not about to write a driver or summat

[19:38:57]

** stuarta is looking forward to next weeks holiday.... **

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Juski:

anywhere nice, or just off work?

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stuarta:

Spain, Pamplona, La Fiesta de San Fermin, AKA The Running Of The Bulls...

[19:39:51]

gardengnome:

sounds nice

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Beirdo:

the running of the balls

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stuarta:

this'll be my 4th time there, love it...

[19:40:14]

Beirdo:

that's what I read...

[19:40:31]

stuarta:

hehehehe

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Juski:

don't go anywhere more than twice generally meself, but then Antibes is looking inviting again

[19:41:24]

stuarta:

yeah, but Pamps is one hell of a party....

[19:41:29]

riddlebox:

gardengnome, I tried that repository for myth for ubuntu

[19:41:57]

stuarta:

though I think I'll retire from party tours after this one...

[19:42:07]

Juski:

if I knew how to make a repo I would. things are pretty dire for ubuntu & mythtv IMHO

[19:42:39]

gardengnome:

Juski: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository- . . . owto.en.html – not the best one, prolly, but it should work

[19:42:57]

Juski:

oh I forgot to say "if I could be bothered to help anybody" aswell

[19:42:59]

gardengnome:

Juski: but with marillat and hamstas packages, there's no need for another one :)

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stuarta:

care factor *zero* ???

[19:43:21]

Juski:

negative units now

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stuarta:

oh dear.

[19:43:40]

** gardengnome beers Juski **

[19:43:40]

Juski:

though fixing a silly bug in our kit lightened my mood today

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stuarta:

how's the lugradio stuff coming along?

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Juski:

course the programmer is gonna take the credit for adding an extra ifdef in the code :-/

[19:44:19]

Juski:

stuarta: very ittle to do now AFAIK

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stuarta:

not far away is it? sadly don't think I'll make it...

[19:45:10]

Juski:

just over 3 weeks I think

[19:46:54]

Juski:

I dunno what on earth to expect there to be honest. I've never met real geeks in person before ;-)

[19:48:33]

Juski:

oh yeah.. I was gonna see about some PC case badges with the mythtv logo on em...

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riddlebox:

gadengnome, sorry I was pulled from my desk, I tried the ubuntu repos on the wiki and it will not install myth, do you know of any others?

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riddlebox:

gadengnome => gardengnome

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Juski:

riddlebox: how did you go about it? did you add the sources to sources.list then apt-update ?

[19:53:45]

riddlebox:

Juski, yes

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riddlebox:

Juski, then I did apt-get install mythtv, and there were errors, I am at work right now and dont have the message on me

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nasa:

I seen on the list (somewhere) where people have programmed thier harmony 880 to use with mythtv. From my googling it seems that they are programming keyboard keys into it and then assigning actions from that — is this all done via the web software?

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Juski:

it's their web interface or bust IIRC

[20:13:40]

nasa:

And I hear — no Linux love

[20:14:09]

Juski:

it's an awful lot of money for something which is essentially still just a zapper anyway

[20:15:05]

nasa:

got mine (just today) as a bday gift

[20:15:20]

Juski:

wow. somebody loves ya

[20:15:22]

nasa:

and no — today's not my bday (it late)

[20:15:47]

Juski:

I think there are a few ways you can go about it

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Juski:

program the remote to emulate a wireless keyboard, then remap myth's keys (and xine's keys, and mplayer's keys)...

[20:16:40]

nasa:

why would I need to remap all thier keys?

[20:16:42]

Juski:

or just program the remote to emulate something else & learn the codes in lirc

[20:17:13]

Juski:

unless you can tell it that button 'X' is such & such a key. I've played with the demo software & it didn't look very friendly to me

[20:17:55]

Juski:

although they already have 'mythtv' keys set up for it in their database

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nasa:

hmmm... Well, I guess I will have to fix my windows partition to find out :{

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drdaz:

for the prices on some of these remotes... I can't help but think a cheap PDA like a palm would be a better investment...

[20:18:55]

Juski:

the whole concept of having a display on a remote baffles me.. if it's not a touch screen thing

[20:19:09]

drdaz:

one with decent IR / Bluetooth / whatever

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Juski:

drdaz: because.. as any home theatre integrator will tell you... it's a licence to print money!

[20:20:10]

drdaz:

heh

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Juski:

anyway myth has been designed to be used with as little as 20 remote buttons, and I hope to God it stays that way

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Juski:

the whole thing about remotes having menus & submenus.. isn't that just a bit too much like having seperate remotes anyway? ;-)

[20:21:57]

drdaz:

tbh what I'd really like to see in a remote would be 2 way comms with myth... so like you could browse your music collection without turning on the damn tv

[20:22:16]

drdaz:

should be simple enough to achieve with a PDA app..

[20:22:38]

Brains:

And then periodically, my firewire connection to the DCT-6200 just... goes away.

[20:22:51]

** Brains takes this a sign to take a break and maybe some food would be good... **

[20:23:22]

nasa:

how much do you think this remote cost?

[20:24:00]

Juski:

nasa: they're not cheap, those 880 machines

[20:24:36]

nasa:

about $150

[20:24:37]

Juski:

$249 list price

[20:24:43]

Juski:

even $150 !!

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Brains:

nasa: $175 is about as cheap as you can get on an 880 according to Froogle...

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drdaz:

ffs... I tried updating to the new linux dvb drivers which should have included everything to run my Twinhan Cab CI...

[20:25:33]

drdaz:

it appears to do so too..

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drdaz:

except

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Juski:

my OFA6 no-brainer cost like £25.. and since I got mythtv I only need it for 3 devices.. tv, mythtv, hifi receiver

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drdaz:

the damn tuner doesnt work anymore

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drdaz:

:-|

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nasa:

All that said, I still have to do stuff in windows (damn)

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mchou:

all I gotta say is logitech is making a KILLING on those harmony remotes

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mchou:

total rip

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Unicorn__:

hi all. I am trying to setup TV-out on a CRT TV with the HD576p mode

[20:29:42]

Unicorn__:

any 1 using HD576p on a CRT?

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Juski:

case badges are ordered. £0.70 each. not bad for custom made

[20:49:23]

gardengnome:

Juski: gonna save one for me? :)

[20:49:41]

Juski:

gardengnome: I ordered 10, so unless somebody eats them... ;-)

[20:50:01]

Juski:

pic on the forumy thing

[20:50:06]

gardengnome:

hehe :)

[20:50:45]

Juski:

I need to buy some get-high glue soon to mount the posters to hardboard

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Juski:

might even announce the expo on the ML too, but signing up again will result in an inbox full of lame shit

[20:52:02]

D-side:

heh~

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gardengnome:

Juski: neato.

[21:01:55]

Juski:

mail list posting sent...

[21:02:10]

Juski:

gardengnome: cheers man

[21:02:16]

gardengnome:

;)

[21:02:24]

Juski:

everybody's gonna want one...

[21:02:31]

gardengnome:

heh :)

[21:02:35]

Juski:

actually they might make nice thong badges too

[21:02:39]

gardengnome:

sell them for 5 each

[21:02:43]

gardengnome:

thong badges?

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Juski:

to go with your mythtvtalk.com thong

[21:02:54]

Juski:

:-P

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** Juski hides **

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gardengnome:

aight, i need to order that one soon

[21:03:13]

Unicorn__:

any one using a PAL CRT TV that can do progressive? I need some help with HD576 modes

[21:03:30]

Juski:

try #576modeline-anonymous

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Unicorn__:

Juski, what do u mean?

[21:05:26]

Juski:

Unicorn__: never mind

[21:05:36]

gardengnome:

Unicorn__: he meant "please ask a real question so we can help you"

[21:05:43]

Juski:

I'll get my coat

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Unicorn__:

ok sorry. I am trying to use HD576p. from what I understand the driver is configured with certain internal mdoes to use

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kormoc:

Unicorn__, what driver?

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Unicorn__:

nvidia 8762

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kormoc:

did you read the nvidia driver readme about how to setup tv out?

[21:07:29]

Unicorn__:

kormoc, Yes, and I have read many many posts/threads. I can get tv-out to work, just not the way I want it

[21:07:48]

kormoc:

okay, so the problem is?

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Unicorn__:

for HD576p I get a progressive signal (I know from the TV menu), but it flickers a lot

[21:08:42]

Unicorn__:

Is this normal, or should I play around with the refresh?

[21:09:04]

kormoc:

well, have you looked at your x log files to see if it's tossing up any useful info?

[21:09:36]

Unicorn__:

yes. but nothing to indicate any refresh issues

[21:09:58]

Unicorn__:

I suppose intense flickering is not normal right?

[21:10:04]

kormoc:

it shouldn't be, no

[21:10:24]

kormoc:

as for refresh issues, the values in your monitor section for your tv will be the values you likely need to set

[21:10:34]

kormoc:

HorizSync and VertRefresh

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Unicorn__:

yes I have those 30–50 and 50.0 respectively. HD576i, is much better but the bottome left part of the screen has a black border (underscanning)

[21:12:47]

kormoc:

well, I would double check those values with the tv booklet to make sure they're right, or just play with them

[21:13:10]

Unicorn__:

what I don't understand is that although HD576i looks more or less ok as far as resolution (not much overscan) HD576p seems to be using higher resolution

[21:13:18]

Unicorn__:

and overscan is much more

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kormoc:

that is odd. could it be your tv dealing with them differently?

[21:14:53]

Unicorn__:

maybe. I just assumed the the progressive should not change the resolution (it's like it is zoomed in and the edges are not visible)

[21:15:04]

drdaz:

Unicorn__: are you in PAL land?

[21:15:17]

Unicorn__:

yes PAL, Toshiba 36ZP48 TV

[21:15:58]

Unicorn__:

connecting through component from 6150 nvidia

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drdaz:

kk.. last time I messed about with the recent 8 series drivers the... oh

[21:16:12]

drdaz:

so no via TV out?

[21:16:15]

drdaz:

not*

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kormoc:

component is tv out

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drdaz:

oO

[21:16:30]

Unicorn__:

tv out via component

[21:16:31]

drdaz:

ok then :)

[21:16:53]

Unicorn__:

I think thatis only way to get the HD resolutions

[21:16:56]

drdaz:

last I tried those drivers, the signal came out @ 60Hz

[21:17:07]

drdaz:

and it came out as 800x600

[21:17:37]

drdaz:

it'll tell you what mode it's using in your X.org log file

[21:17:41]

Unicorn__:

I think if u do not specify a resoltuion it will default to that

[21:17:44]

drdaz:

somewhere..

[21:17:56]

drdaz:

thing was it ignored whatever else I told it

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kormoc:

drdaz, did you set the tv-standard?

[21:18:11]

drdaz:

but I expect that was the previous version to yours

[21:18:29]

Unicorn__:

if you startx — -logverbose 5, it will tell you the modes supported by the tv encoder

[21:18:54]

Unicorn__:

so for example if u set tvstandard to HD576p, it has certain modes it supports

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drdaz:

kormoc: yeah... I did a lot of work on it.... gave up and went back to 7676

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drdaz:

Unicorn__: I know :) the list was empty

[21:19:39]

Unicorn__:

u can select in screen section using subsection / modes ...

[21:19:43]

Unicorn__:

a ok

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Unicorn__:

the only thing I havent tries is metamodes

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drdaz:

I mean... I could change stuff in the config

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drdaz:

but when starting X the driver didnt care

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Unicorn__:

I just thought maybe some 1 has a working xorg using HD576p

[21:20:46]

drdaz:

its possible :)

[21:20:46]

Unicorn__:

seems every 1 moved to HDTV :)

[21:20:52]

drdaz:

it aint me tho..

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drdaz:

can u not get a VGA to component convertor or something?

[21:21:29]

drdaz:

going via the VGA socket you should be able to avoid the lameness

[21:21:32]

kormoc:

Unicorn__, you could roll back driver versions like drdaz did, see if that helps

[21:21:37]

Unicorn__:

mm haven't look into that, I know there is a vga -> SCART

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drdaz:

there is?!?

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Unicorn__:

I think so, I think it's RGB

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kormoc:

drdaz, http://www.electronics-lab.com/projects/pc/012/

[21:22:53]

drdaz:

I've looked into commercial versions... they go for around £50 it seems

[21:24:11]

drdaz:

tbh I think you'll be better off going out one of the other outputs...

[21:24:28]

drdaz:

the actual res you get out of the TV out won't be HD will it?

[21:24:35]

drdaz:

I mean the max is, what..

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Unicorn__:

just to know I'm doin this correctly. in Screen/Subsection/Modes, the modes you specify there are telling the driver which one to choose from the list of modes for that TVStandard?

[21:24:47]

drdaz:

1280x1024?

[21:24:49]

drdaz:

hmm

[21:25:08]

Unicorn__:

well, in theory the TV can handle 576 progressive

[21:25:14]

drdaz:

oh yes

[21:25:24]

drdaz:

but the TV out..

[21:25:31]

drdaz:

well...

[21:25:52]

Unicorn__:

the tv-out does output progressive (I know cause the TV reports it)

[21:25:58]

drdaz:

probably can too.. but its not going to be at 16:9

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drdaz:

I'm going out on a limb here but I'd suppose you could feed a widescreen modeline to X and it would actually throw that out over VGA

[21:26:58]

drdaz:

where it would just say no over TV Out

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Unicorn__:

mm I suppose. but are u refering to the driver and supported modes?

[21:28:36]

drdaz:

kinda... TV Out only allows certain modes

[21:28:51]

drdaz:

whether thats a driver or hardware limitation I can't say

[21:29:03]

drdaz:

but VGA *should* be alot more flexible there

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Unicorn__:

I suppose if you set TVStandard to HD576p (are something else) 720x576 (PAL) is supported, but if u request something like 1280x1024 which may not be in the list of supported modes it will use a default

[21:30:01]

Unicorn__:

yes VGA is probably a lot more flexible

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drdaz:

they fixed PAL output in your driver then?

[21:30:45]

drdaz:

so... u actually get 50Hz

[21:31:03]

Unicorn__:

My main issue is the flickering I get for progressive, similar to running ur pc monitor @60Hz

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Unicorn__:

I can get output for both HD576i and HD576p, just not how I want it :)

[21:32:48]

Unicorn__:

drdaz : what TV r u using?

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drdaz:

oh just a 16:9 Sharp CRT

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drdaz:

not sure of the model

[21:33:20]

drdaz:

a few years old

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Unicorn__:

SVIDEO?

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drdaz:

yeah... via a SCART adapter

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Unicorn__:

what are u using for TVStandard? PAL-I?

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drdaz:

PAL-B

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Unicorn__:

oh I assumed u where in UK :)

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drdaz:

but I'm using 7676

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drdaz:

no :) living in Denmark

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Unicorn__:

I can try PAL-B too, but I'd have to switch to svideo

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drdaz:

I have no idea why it would make things better for you :)

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Unicorn__:

anyway I'll go test some configs

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drdaz:

I'll try and fix my damn box again :(

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Unicorn__:

good luck

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drdaz:

u2

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Unicorn__:

thanks

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jelte:

hi guys, should changing channels on 0.19-fixes be quicker than 18 seconds?

[21:41:35]

jelte:

or do I perhaps have a too large buffer set somewhere, that it needs to fill up first before switching? if so, which buffer is that?

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Juski:

jelte: I assume you're using DVB

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jelte:

yep... DVB-T in the UK

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Juski:

in which case, there's nothing you can do to speed up channel changes except 1) wait for 0.20 or 2) use SVN head

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jelte:

ah... so whats in the trunk that fixes it then? and how quick is it then?

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jelte:

we talking 10 seconds or 2 or 0.1 ? ;-)

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Juski:

under 5 seconds now in my experience

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jelte:

cool!

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Juski:

where it previously took a long time

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jelte:

considering the topic of this channel, I dare ask, but: when is 0.20 scheduled for?

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Juski:

jelte: it's not scheduled

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Juski:

when enough stuff has been fixed properly and chutt deems it ready...

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jams:

then about 3–5 days after that

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jelte:

ah... any gut feeling? also, i'm a little at a loss... am I right in thinking there is a trunk (for 0.20 dev) and there is a 0.19-fixes branch as well? and that the latter just contains some small fixes on top of 0.19, but not big things like the channel changing?

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Juski:

jelte: the change was pretty fundamental I think

[21:46:13]

jelte:

fair enough... so is there anything else planned to be fixed for 0.20 ? ie are we anywhere near close to the 'enough stuff fixed' mark yet?

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Juski:

nowhere near AFAIK

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Juski:

though the blocker for 0.20 has been moved.. the UI rewrite (I think)

[21:46:50]

jelte:

cool, so my understanding of the branches is roughly accurate then? would it also be fair to say that whatever was fixed in 0.19-fixes will be in the trunk also?

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kormoc:

jelte, you could look at the milestone marking

[21:47:08]

jelte:

kormoc: aah that sounds promising... where do i find that?

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Juski:

svn.mythtv.org

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kormoc:

jelte, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap

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jelte:

thanks!

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jelte:

cool... so 0.19-fixes is working towards 0.19.1 ?

[21:48:18]

Juski:

basically yes

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jelte:

looking good then....

[21:49:09]

Juski:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1511

[21:50:01]

jelte:

one other quick question.... every now and then while watching a recording I get 'You have finished watching this recording', which is not true. It happens on random intervals on random recordings... the backend merely logs: "WriteBlock zerocnt timeout"... after a lot of digging, I am guessing now that this is due to my wifi being slow, and thus it running out of anything to show... could that be accurate?

[21:50:40]

Juski:

could be.. or your recordedmarkup table could be fubar

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scopeuk:

nice

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jelte:

but it only happens sporadically... and would a recordedmarkup table cause the backend to spit out a writeblock zerocnt timeout?

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jelte:

btw: this ticket tracker is awesome! great place to see if my issue has already been reported or not! thanks

[21:52:39]

Juski:

this is prolly pertinent to the slow tuning issue... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1502

[21:52:46]

Juski:

(aswell as the other)

[21:53:27]

** kormoc sighs **

[21:53:33]

Juski:

so give svn a spin.. I've found it to be pretty stable but I'm not gonna stick my neck out & use it on a daily basis ;-)

[21:53:35]

kormoc:

looks like cardoe's new snapshot is foobar

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Juski:

time for bed

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jelte:

well i've currently only got one system, and if I screw that up, the missus aint gonna be happy ;-)

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jelte:

right, thanks for the links...

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dev:

damn, mythbackend just locked up again

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dev:

and i have *nothing* in my logs

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dev:

--verbose all and everything

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dev:

jobqueue still running

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dev:

etc

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dev:

but the frontends get

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riddlebox:

does anyone know of any mythtv debs for ubuntu?

[22:47:00]

dev:

2006-06–28 18:48:33.028 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.0.8:6543 (try 1 of 5)

[22:47:00]

dev:

2006-06–28 18:48:53.029 ReadStringList timeout (quick).

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dev:

2006-06–28 18:48:53.029 Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION:

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dev:

i wonder if this is that race condition janneg was talking about yesterday

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scopeuk:

riddlebox does milliat repository have anything

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scopeuk:

i know its debian focused

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dev:

something is so wrong with this

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riddlebox:

scopeuk, I am nervous about using a deb repository with ubuntu

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dev:

0.18 worked so perect, ive had nothing but problems with 0.19 since the day i upgraded :( should have never upgraded

[22:49:34]

dev:

*sniffles*

[22:50:52]

dev:

lets try reverting all the way back to 9163 from gentoo portage

[22:50:53]

D-side:

i'm sorry to hear that, if its a consolation.

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D-side:

what are you on now?

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dev:

was only running higher than that for livetv buffer problems

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scopeuk:

riddlebox i cant help more sorry

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dev:

which i shouldnt have anymore from the hardware upgrade 2 months ago

[22:51:32]

dev:

and that version worked fine other than livetv buffer

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scopeuk:

riddlebox you could always build from source

[22:51:53]

riddlebox:

scopeuk, I am trying

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D-side:

jeez, am i the only one who's escaped the livetv buffer problem?

[22:52:11]

D-side:

not that i'm complaining. :)

[22:52:19]

GreyFoxx:

What problem is that ?

[22:52:28]

Speedy2:

Was Myth's use of MySQL really wise? Is/was a full database really needed?

[22:52:28]

dev:

it was fixed a long time ago, somewhere in 91xxx

[22:52:30]

dev:

91xx

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scopeuk:

riddlebox you got all the libs/preequisits there?

[22:52:51]

dev:

grefoxx: now there's some nifty race condition thats happening causing mythbackend to lockup, but the process keep running, and jobqueue still run

[22:53:04]

dev:

but no response from the backend server other than above what i pasted

[22:53:05]

riddlebox:

scopeuk, not yet I am trying to do a apt-get build-dep so I can build from source but there is a broken package stopping me

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dev:

janneg was talking about it last night

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scopeuk:

riddle about right

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GreyFoxx:

Oh, I'm running svn as of 3 days ago with no hiccups yet

[22:53:32]

GreyFoxx:

But I also don't use LiveTV

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dev:

im trying to stay 'stable' but its so not happening

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dev:

im only useing -fixes

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dev:

but its affecting that too apparently

[22:54:12]

GreyFoxx:

Speedy2: It's already in most distros, it's fairly well known, it's fast, already has a network layer

[22:54:31]

Anduin:

Speedy2: Somewhat moot now.

[22:54:34]

GreyFoxx:

and when it comes to writing your own custom scripts it's handy

[22:55:10]

riddlebox:

scopeuk, its like they have taken mythtv out and are replacing, but it is taking like 3 days

[22:56:07]

dev:

i might as well run svn at this point. its almost going down every couple days anyway

[22:56:09]

dev:

how much worse can it get heh

[22:56:25]

GreyFoxx:

Anduin: How goes the MythVideo patches

[22:56:26]

GreyFoxx:

?

[22:58:01]

Anduin:

GreyFoxx: With any luck I'll have them committed at the end of this weekend.

[22:58:06]

GreyFoxx:

Sweet

[22:58:36]

GreyFoxx:

Anyone here a regular user ofthe built in mythtranscode support ? (not nuvexport and such)

[22:59:15]

Anduin:

GreyFoxx: You have a msntv2 right? Remote work on it?

[22:59:43]

GreyFoxx:

Yup. But I replaced the one that came with it with a learning IR remote and trained it to the ir keyboard

[22:59:48]

GreyFoxx:

more buttons :)

[23:00:10]

GreyFoxx:

the IR led is wired right into the ps2 port

[23:00:18]

GreyFoxx:

so it's all key strokes, no need for lirc

[23:00:39]

D-side:

i had a real problem with my learning remote.

[23:00:44]

Anduin:

GreyFoxx: Ah, I was so not looking forward to hacking up some lirc module.

[23:00:52]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[23:00:53]

D-side:

couldnt seem to control the number of pulses per keypress.

[23:01:01]

D-side:

i dont know a damn thing about ir, so sorry if that doesnt make much sense. :)

[23:01:08]

GreyFoxx:

Anduin: Yeah, happily none are needed.

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: Are you nfsrooting it?

[23:01:30]

GreyFoxx:

Plus I have adrawer of learning remotesso it was good use them

[23:01:34]

GreyFoxx:

Anduin: Yup

[23:01:46]

GreyFoxx:

only thing on the CDcard is the kernel,stage2 file and the cndline

[23:01:48]

GreyFoxx:

cmdline

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D-side:

uhm

[23:02:02]

GreyFoxx:

and that should be CF card

[23:02:05]

D-side:

msntv2?

[23:02:08]

GreyFoxx:

yup

[23:02:18]

D-side:

linux?

[23:02:19]

GreyFoxx:

little STB that M$ put out a few years ago

[23:02:23]

GreyFoxx:

yup

[23:02:29]

D-side:

my god. how much do they go for

[23:02:31]

GreyFoxx:

same CPU as an xbox, but twice the memory

[23:02:38]

GreyFoxx:

$20-$30 on ebay

[23:02:39]

Anduin:

D-side: a song on eBay.

[23:02:39]

D-side:

i'm hit with an indescribable NEED for one

[23:02:44]

GreyFoxx:

got mine for $9 each

[23:02:46]

D-side:

OH EM EFF GEE

[23:02:52]

D-side:

afk

[23:03:20]

D-side:

so you're nfsrooting a myth frontend to it?

[23:03:27]

GreyFoxx:

733mhz celeron, 128meg of ram, svideo+compositeout, voice modem, 10/100mbit ethernet and 2 usb2 ports

[23:03:30]

scopeuk:

go get one stisfy your urge

[23:03:31]

GreyFoxx:

yup

[23:03:43]

D-side:

rca, yeah?

[23:03:51]

D-side:

scopeuk: i damn well will.

[23:03:53]

GreyFoxx:

yup

[23:03:54]

Anduin:

D-side: RM4100

[23:03:59]

D-side:

Anduin: hm?

[23:04:00]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, ebay for rm4100

[23:04:02]

D-side:

oh, model number

[23:04:04]

D-side:

already there. :)

[23:04:10]

GreyFoxx:

avoid the rm2100 :)

[23:04:12]

D-side:

works well? what video chipset?

[23:04:14]

Anduin:

D-side: And don't out bid me!

[23:04:19]

GreyFoxx:

Intel 830M

[23:04:25]

GreyFoxx:

and the CX25873 tv encoder

[23:04:29]

D-side:

GreyFoxx: man. i still need to repay a favor you did me like two years ago. i cant keep up!

[23:04:33]

scopeuk:

we have GreyFoxx to thank for that

[23:04:34]

GreyFoxx:

I just cracked the accelerated video a month ago

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D-side:

shared vid mem or dedicated?

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Speedy2:

On the xbox GreyFoxx?

[23:04:55]

GreyFoxx:

Speedy2: On the msntv2

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D-side:

i'll shut up. i guess i can google this. i'm just very excited. :)

[23:05:13]

D-side:

uhm. modem = cid osd?

[23:05:26]

GreyFoxx:

D-side: It would likely work for that

[23:05:29]

D-side:

i'm about to sport wood.

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't lookedat the modem portion myself

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D-side:

jeez. that sounds REALLY good

[23:06:05]

GreyFoxx:

I got mine in 2 auctions (4 of them). works out to an average of $9

[23:06:31]

scopeuk:

there was dsoem gy on the forum workign on asterix

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D-side:

nfs booting would remove the problem of using the xbox for the frontend

[23:06:38]

scopeuk:

i belive he got the modem goign iirc

[23:06:41]

D-side:

eh.

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GreyFoxx:

the tv out looks much beter than my nvidia , which I was already very happy will

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GreyFoxx:

with

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D-side:

asterisk is a poor fit for that box i think.

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D-side:

i dont know why. maybe i'm full of crap. i just hate asterisk.

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GreyFoxx:

D-side: some people are doing that

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GreyFoxx:

Or at least they were trying too

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scopeuk:

D-side i think asterix is overkill for well everything

[23:07:17]

D-side:

GreyFoxx: thats why i'm using an xbox for the frontend. its tv out is WAY better than nvidia

[23:07:18]

GreyFoxx:

I haven't paid attention to much beyond the video

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D-side:

scopeuk: spell it correctly damn you!

[23:07:26]

scopeuk:

i came a cross it whilst lookign for a computer bassed answerign macine a while back

[23:07:39]

GreyFoxx:

D-side: The tvencoder in the msntv2 is 2 versions newer than what was in the original xbpoxs

[23:07:45]

scopeuk:

D-side i whould if i could spell the damn word

[23:07:47]

GreyFoxx:

whatversion xbox do you have ?

[23:07:57]

D-side:

i really doubt the modem in the msntv2 would be using the modem as a zaptel dev.

[23:08:04]

D-side:

scopeuk: hint: i already typed it twice

[23:08:05]

D-side:

:D

[23:08:07]

D-side:

GreyFoxx: er.

[23:08:08]

GreyFoxx:

D-side: I doubt it too hehe

[23:08:18]

D-side:

what ver....

[23:08:20]

GreyFoxx:

D-side: Can you try something for me?

[23:08:24]

GreyFoxx:

Got nvtv installed ?

[23:08:32]

D-side:

OH. wait. i'm lying.

[23:08:43]

D-side:

I've got a pundit at home, with SiS video, not nv. sorry. :/

[23:09:19]

** GreyFoxx wants to get some register dumps from people using a xbox revision 1.0–1.3 **

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D-side:

i think mine falls within that, but heres the problem: it doesnt run linux.

[23:10:08]

D-side:

i've got a modchip in it. is there a bootable iso method i can use to get that for you?

[23:10:17]

D-side:

i'd be happy to if its non-invasive. :)

[23:10:32]

kormoc:

D-side, uhh, how are you using the xbox as a FE without linux?

[23:10:42]

D-side:

kormoc: XBox Media Center

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D-side:

and xbmcmythtv

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kormoc:

ooh, nifty

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D-side:

its a python script that runs on the thing.

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D-side:

kormoc: its incredible.

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Speedy2:

GreyFoxx: The video encoder is hooked up via the Intel "special" bus? (forgot the name, like ADD2 or something)

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D-side:

XBMC itself i mean.

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D-side:

xbmcmythtv is pretty good. not as good as a pc frontend.

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D-side:

GreyFoxx: so, find a way for me to get that info for you and it'll be done.

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GreyFoxx:

D-side: I know nothing about xbmc hehe I'll keep hunting

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GreyFoxx:

Speedy2: It's just on dvoa from the gpu

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D-side:

GreyFoxx: no i mean a bootable cd

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D-side:

i guess *I* should be the one looking. heh

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GreyFoxx:

Speedy2: Problem is that you have to use the IEGD driver to get accelerated hardware support (xv scaling and such) which turns off the dvoa output and really wont let you customize modelines. It rejects everything we've tried

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GreyFoxx:

but after lotsof experimentation I was able to program the tvencoder and vga registers without dealing with the X server at all

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D-side:

i applaud your efforts.

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D-side:

waitaminute.

[23:15:43]

D-side:

you're the reason i bought that damn happauge tv thing. not the card, the standalone network thing. mediamvp?

[23:15:52]

D-side:

maybe i shouldn't take advice on things to buy from you anymore. :D

[23:16:07]

GreyFoxx:

which card are you referring to ?

[23:16:15]

GreyFoxx:

oh sorry misread

[23:16:31]

GreyFoxx:

the mvp, I'm still a fan of it. But they fall way behind in myth support

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D-side:

yeah that was the primary reason i wanted one.

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Speedy2:

GreyFoxx: That's pretty good news, being able to program all the registers, etc.

[23:17:20]

D-side:

but sounds to me like the msntv2 is well sorted out.

[23:17:20]

GreyFoxx:

they just released a new version I haven't tried yet

[23:17:41]

D-side:

if i can get my hands on one, would you mind a few silly questions? :)

[23:17:48]

GreyFoxx:

D-side: the new vesion of the software mentionsmpeg4 and such playback too

[23:17:54]

GreyFoxx:

D-side: sure

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D-side:

not bad.

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GreyFoxx:

there is also a channel

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D-side:

but the mediamvps are $99

[23:18:07]

D-side:

and this msn box is maybe $20 :)

[23:18:13]

GreyFoxx:

irc.dashhacks.com, #msntv

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GreyFoxx:

Oh, today I would not buy a mvp if a msntv2 was an option :")

[23:18:37]

GreyFoxx:

IT wasn't back then :)

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D-side:

the ebay guy wants $27 USD for shipping.

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MindOfChaos:

There needs to be a feature so you can spy on what your kids are doing on another computer in the house

[23:18:46]

D-side:

the ebay guy is smoking crack.

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GreyFoxx:

the ability to get linux on it is not that old :)

[23:18:52]

MindOfChaos:

and have that controled by remote too

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GreyFoxx:

MindOfChaos: vnc ?:)

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MindOfChaos:

does vnc link into mythtv tho?

[23:19:33]

GreyFoxx:

well, you said "doing" not 'watching"

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** MindOfChaos is still trying to get darn install to work **

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GreyFoxx:

you could see them in the menus and such

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GreyFoxx:

but not the xv video output

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MindOfChaos:

Yea VNC is what I was thinking about

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MindOfChaos:

I was just meaning as a optional feature of mythtv

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MindOfChaos:

picture in picture or some thing :)

[23:20:48]

GreyFoxx:

well that's "easy" to do

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D-side:

i dont know if the mythtv-snoopingbastard module would be ever officially recognized

[23:21:03]

GreyFoxx:

I have my daughters room on channel 91 in our house

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D-side:

GreyFoxx: ?!

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D-side:

no shit?

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GreyFoxx:

though I don't know why since she still sleeps in our room :)

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Speedy2:

Anyone here ever built a swamp cooler? It's getting hot.

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GreyFoxx:

D-side: yeah

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D-side:

OH

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D-side:

haha how old?

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GreyFoxx:

2years, 2 months :)

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D-side:

well thats a very different story :)

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woloi:

hey, i'm having some trouble compiling a (I believe to be) relatively new version of MythTV on Gentoo

[23:23:10]

woloi:

i get the following error:

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woloi:

/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lXinerama

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D-side:

thats got nothing to do with mythtv.

[23:23:43]

woloi:

i know that

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jieryn:

#gentoo

[23:23:56]

woloi:

see, i tried there

[23:24:02]

woloi:

except that channel is ridiculously busy

[23:24:04]

scopeuk:

was gonan say stupid question but why are you bugging in here then?

[23:24:17]

woloi:

so i figured i'd try my luck in a few other channels where people may have had similar problems

[23:24:27]

scopeuk:

you should try gettign a stright answer out of the debian channel

[23:24:42]

scopeuk:

see if you can find fentoo-64 or such like on freenode

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scopeuk:

gentoo-64*

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jieryn:

#gentoo-amd64

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D-side:

its not specific to that arch.

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scopeuk:

my guess is that will be queieter

[23:25:11]

scopeuk:

d-side i know

[23:25:12]

D-side:

looks to me like your xorg install is somehow b0rk.

[23:25:19]

scopeuk:

but it wil lbe quiet and there ontopic to help him

[23:25:20]

woloi:

oh, i know my xorg is broken, heh

[23:25:20]

MindOfChaos:

mine compiles yet appears not to install

[23:25:28]

D-side:

woloi: well wtf

[23:25:29]

MindOfChaos:

so I have no ideas either

[23:25:32]

woloi:

the problem is i don't know what's still broken and what's fixed

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D-side:

if you know xorg is broken, and the error message says "omfg, a xorg lib is missing"

[23:25:46]

woloi:

so i'm looking pretty much all over to get answers from where ever i can

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MindOfChaos:

..apears to compile

[23:25:51]

woloi:

i don't use Xinerama

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D-side:

woloi: doesnt matter.

[23:25:56]

woloi:

i only have one display

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D-side:

i dont use it either, and i'm able to compile it on that arch.

[23:26:17]

woloi:

do you know why it's looking for Xinerama then?

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D-side:

because mythtv wants it.

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D-side:

the ebuild will show that clearly.

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woloi:

well, why does mythtv want it?

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D-side:

besides which, regardless of whether or not you USE it, its BUILT into xorg. if the install can't find it, b0rk b0rk b0rk.

[23:26:58]

D-side:

Because.

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woloi:

i mean, to me, it seems silly to need libraries you don't use...

[23:27:05]

D-side:

note the capital B

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scopeuk:

il take a stap in the dark so it can do full screen properly?

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scopeuk:

any way it jsut does

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woloi:

xinerama is only used for multiple displays

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woloi:

i've used it on other setups, but my current setup only has one

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D-side:

I don't spend my time secondguessing dev decisions.

[23:27:43]

D-side:

see, you're missing the point.

[23:27:44]

woloi:

i never thought to check the xinerama libs because of that

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** scopeuk readies the trout **

[23:28:01]

woloi:

clearly, if that's the problem, i've found the solution, i'm recompiling the library now

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D-side:

xinerama is built with xorg. theres not even a use flag you can edit it out with.

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woloi:

but there's libXinerama

[23:28:23]

woloi:

when i recompiled my libraries, didn't bother with thatt

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jieryn:

revdep-rebuild

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woloi:

didn't turn it up

[23:29:08]

woloi:

i did revdep-rebuild a few days ago and cleaned up all the messes it spit out

[23:29:32]

woloi:

anyways, i recompiled libXinerama, trying to recompile mythtv now

[23:30:06]

woloi:

see, if this works, coming into this channel will have been useful to me

[23:31:41]

woloi:

while i'm in here, i have anything question

[23:31:58]

woloi:

i have two channel lists, one for home, one for when i'm at school

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woloi:

i'm currently home, but no matter what i do, mythweb only displays the channels from school

[23:32:38]

woloi:

well, in the listings, if i search i can use mythweb to record on the correct channel

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Speedy2:

GreyFoxx: Have you ever coded for XvMC?

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GreyFoxx:

Nope

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GreyFoxx:

Other than 15 minutes I spent yesterday compiling myth to support it on the msntv yesterday

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GreyFoxx:

(which didn't work, it wouldn't create the textures and I haven't investigated further)

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Speedy2:

GreyFoxx: Keep me posted if you get some code working. I'm interested in XvMC myself. Seems newer nVidia cards don't do xv "overlay" so I'm wondering if it's possible to patch some old programs to use XvMC's putimage functionality.

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drdaz:

I'm experiencing some profoundly stupid behaviour:

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drdaz:

when watching LiveTV bobdeint fails due to too low refresh rate

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MindOfChaos:

stop doing it the drdaz

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drdaz:

but when playing back recordings, it works fine

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drdaz:

MindOfChaos: ?

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drdaz:

there is no explanation for this nonsense I take it?

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drdaz:

ok I think I've found a bug... it happens when I start liveTV

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drdaz:

but bob works when I change channel

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woloi:

mythtv compiled for me, so for the couple of guys who yelled at me for coming in here, next time someone comes and has a question that may not be 100% mythtv related, see what it is first before you start complaining that they should be somewhere else, you might be able to help them

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drdaz:

woloi: congrats :)

[23:56:03]

scopeuk:

woloi you should have been somewhere else

[23:56:13]

woloi:

was my problem solved?

[23:56:14]

woloi:

yes

[23:56:15]

scopeuk:

just some peopel in ehre are soft

[23:56:22]

woloi:

soft?

[23:56:26]

scopeuk:

yes

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scopeuk:

soft

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drdaz:

opposite of hard

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woloi:

so what, are we now a bunch of elitist <fill in the blank> who can't help anyone unless it's something specific to the channel?

[23:57:11]

woloi:

no wonder why so many people are afraid of linux

[23:57:13]

scopeuk:

no tis jsut your issue had 0 relationto myth

[23:57:48]

woloi:

but i found it when trying to do something with mythtv, so i came here looking for help, i found it, my problem was solved

[23:57:49]

drdaz:

did u get told *where* to go for help?

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scopeuk:

yes 3 – 4 times

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scopeuk:

by diferent peopel

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drdaz:

oh

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woloi:

yes, and i had already tried those places

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scopeuk:

people*

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** drdaz shrugs **

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drdaz:

I do it all the time too to be fair

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drdaz:

heh

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** drdaz is ashamed **

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scopeuk:

gentoos channel was too busy so he thought hed bug us

[23:58:30]

woloi:

bug?

[23:58:37]

woloi:

asking a question is bugging?

[23:58:47]

woloi:

i'm sorry, if that's bugging, you shouldn't be hanging out in a users channel

[23:58:47]

scopeuk:

to an extent

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scopeuk:

im to tired to think of a better way to rephrase

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woloi:

that is the point of this channel

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woloi:

help other users of MythTV who are having problems

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scopeuk:

woloi i dont personaly class bugging as an annoyance

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scopeuk:

but thats just me

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drdaz:

woloi: u tried the mailing lists by any chance?

[23:59:41]

drdaz:

mythtv-users I mean

[23:59:49]

woloi:

no, i figured i'd get a quicker answer here, and i did

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scopeuk:

his problem was heed removed a library xorg wanted

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