Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, June 24th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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gardengnome:

well, it won't last over a reboot

[00:01:11]

vronsky:

hmm i guess this sound card is just a POS

[00:01:18]

vronsky:

back to on board audio

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kormoc:

reboot? what is this reboot thing that you speak of?

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kayelem:

smokey, you don't have to reboot Linux when you change stuff much...

[00:02:03]

kayelem:

Think I only reboot when I compile up a new kernel.

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kormoc:

and with kexec you don't even need to do it then

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kayelem:

kormoc, I've yet to try that...

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smokey:

kayelem, i changed it from an ssh sesseh, which the box was being displayed on the screen, so it could get ahold of the video device.. easiest way was to put it in a start up screen and reboot (the mythbox is sitting without a monitor, etc..)

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smokey:

er couldnt

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smokey:

script

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kormoc:

http://nullref.se/articles/kexec

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smokey:

blah.. i cant type tonight

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kayelem:

smokey, I'd just stop and restart X myself.

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smokey:

gardengnome, thanks for the help man

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kayelem:

"/etc/init.d/gdm restart" does the trick on one box here, ymmv depending on distro.

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smokey:

kayelem, yeah.. but like i said, thats more work than restarting X on a remote system with no keyboard, mouse or monitor (beside the tv) attached

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gardengnome:

smokey: np

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kormoc:

smokey, not really. depends on how it's layed out...

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kormoc:

ooh, he left

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kayelem:

gardengnome, (I had to go deal with food...) Still thinking about them there s100 thingies... they have a DVB-T tuner in, yeah?

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Mattwj2005:

well my card can pick up analog television

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gardengnome:

kayelem: nope. no tuners. only the zenega (almost same board, just less RAM) has a dvb-s tuner, which sits on a ppc board and is connected via some serial connector to the intel board.

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kayelem:

gardengnome, ahhh... ok... i was pondering turning one into a standalone multiple-obsolete-standard FreeView box... ah well...

[00:08:19]

kayelem:

gardengnome, I'll still likely get one – as once I've got an msntv2 doing something useful i'll lose interest and need something else to hack about on :)

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kayelem:

Stuff's only interesting while it doesn't work, iyswim... ;-)

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gardengnome:

kayelem: the box has got usb 2.0. you could prolly use a dvb-t stick...

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mikeSnake:

hi.. im going to ask in v4l but i thought i would check here as well as its kinda related, i ran into this rather hideous survelence system today called a "adder", one manky hacked up win98 installation at the helm, and a smellron 900mhz 64mb! machine for a engine/properller.. :) .... i found that the 4input card is bt8x "adder" .. is linux a viable solution to out the infidell os?

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mikeSnake:

well i thought the concept was kind of cute

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mikeSnake:

i gues if the long gone previous owner had not of disapeared with out the management access passwords to the software i might not of been so eager to nuke it for a different linux based system ..

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mikeSnake:

and hell i got a 100x better machine i could house the video capture card / raid setup from it

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kormoc:

mikeSnake, or you can sell your 90 ghz box and live the rest of your life on a tropical island?

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kayelem:

90GHz... think of the rendering you could do with a cluster of those... ;-)

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mikeSnake:

cumon steady on now

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mikeSnake:

;)

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kayelem:

mikeSnake, seriously, though – you need to look at v4l/v4l2 and see if the card's supported. There's some cool and froody motion detection s/w for surveillance as well. if the card is supported on Linux.

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kayelem:

I've not played with it – I'm just aware it exists.

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kayelem:

hi scopeuk

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scopeuk:

hi

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kayelem:

scopeuk, I see from a certain forum you're another one playing with msntv2

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kayelem:

I hope to join you; that's if i can get one.

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mikeSnake:

k ive seen this livecd thing that sounded quite cool before but was hopeing some one might of seen one of these machines before

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kayelem:

mikeSnake, nope – sounds like some specialist surveillance thing to me tbh. Unlikely anyone's encountered it unless they're in the business, I guess.

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kormoc:

google might know more

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mikeSnake:

ayee google!

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gardengnome:

i've seen those bttv cards with 4 inputs on ebay, they might work with linux

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mikeSnake:

google "bt8x adder" == 2x vauge russian urls ;)

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kayelem:

"bt8x" doesn't sound right, though.

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mikeSnake:

hmm is that the way the driver terms it in the kernel

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kayelem:

bt87x... bt878, bt878a, bt848...

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kormoc:

it would likely be a bt848

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mikeSnake:

ah course

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kayelem:

formerly a Brooktree chip, now Conexant, iirc.

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kormoc:

actually, still likely a brooktree chip, I doubt they went around rebranding them :P

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kayelem:

kormoc, ykwim, pedant! :-P

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kayelem:

<knock knock knock> "Hi, we're from Conexant, we need to apply this sticker to the chip on your capture card..."

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gardengnome:

ykwim?

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kormoc:

You Know What I Mean

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kayelem:

"you know what I mean"

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gardengnome:

ah, ok.

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gardengnome:

that was kinda ironical ;)

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kayelem:

sorry, I'm full of TLAs, ETLAs and ATLAs...

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** kayelem braces herself for the inevitable trout... **

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gardengnome:

;)

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gardengnome:

no, it's no fun when people are warned.

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gardengnome:

i'll slap you some time inn the next few days when you don't expect it

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Mattwj2005:

boy what I won't give to have my card working :(

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kormoc:

kayelem, isn't Atla a Norse giant?

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mikeSnake:

aha

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mikeSnake:

http://devsec.sourceforge.net/

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Cardoe:

kormoc: try the new mythtv?

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kormoc:

Cardoe, compiling

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scopeuk:

kaylem i dont have an msntv2 yet im jsut around here to pick up on whats happening

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kormoc:

currently updating xorg-server...

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scopeuk:

im lookign to get oen in the near future though

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JrbM689:

Are any of you guys aware of a build of MythTV for Mac OS 9?

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scopeuk:

JrbM689 i knwo ther is a version of mth for mac

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scopeuk:

but im not sure if its for os9

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kormoc:

it's for osx

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kormoc:

nothing for os9 that I know of

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kormoc:

and it's only the frontend for osx

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kayelem:

gardengnome, ahhh... the suspense... you tease... ;-)

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JrbM689:

I wish KnoppMyth had a bootable CD for PowerPC. Oh well!

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gardengnome:

kayelem: of course. ;)

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kayelem:

scopeuk, ah, ok. I'm looking to get one; then try to use it as a MythTV front-end... on obsolete TV standards. Sounds fun to me.

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scopeuk:

then greyfoxx is your man

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mikeSnake:

god sake

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scopeuk:

there are low level tweeks needed to make it display diferent resolutiosn scan rates ect

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mikeSnake:

freshmeat still got that bug when you get into catagory "topic"

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mikeSnake:

hehe

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scopeuk:

and hes basicaly doone all the tweking

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kayelem:

JrbM689, yeah, there's a front-end only binary for OS X – I'm about to play with it.

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kayelem:

scopeuk, yeah, I've been reading. I'm a hardware person as well; I'd be looking to get the VGA components repopulated and get that working.

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kayelem:

scopeuk, soldering SM parts holds no fear...

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scopeuk:

heh

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scopeuk:

where are you

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scopeuk:

?

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scopeuk:

country

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kayelem:

scopeuk, Leeds, UK

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gardengnome:

anyone got the url for the mythtv debian project? i'm talking about the one where they patch mythtv so it doesn't use libmp3lame anymore

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scopeuk:

argh so your gonna have the same git of a problem attempting to import one as i will have

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scopeuk:

shippign si expensive

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kayelem:

scopeuk, yup.... currently didn't bid on one as the vendor would only ship the $$$ way, when USPS Airmail Parcel is like $25

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kayelem:

scopeuk, I aint paying $58.50 for what's probably going to be a $20 box.

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scopeuk:

know that feeling

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scopeuk:

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kayelem:

when shipping's way more than double what I pay for an item, I draw the line.

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scopeuk:

shopping holiday ;-)

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scopeuk:

but yeh it hacks me off how much trans atlantic shippign is

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kormoc:

kayelem, aww, too bad you're not interesting in this 57" plasma tv then. it's only $1, but the shipping is $100, so that's 100x. I'll to trash it now

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kayelem:

kormoc, ahh... well... err... that's different...

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kormoc:

hehe

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JrbM689:

I don't mind paying over 2x for shipping what I paid for the device, Kormoc!!

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kormoc:

hehe

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kayelem:

but then, you're not going to sell a 57" plasma for $1 unless there's something *seriously* wrong with it, no? ;-)

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kormoc:

true

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kormoc:

like by plamsa, I mean cardboard box?

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scopeuk:

i dont care

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gardengnome:

scopeuk: the GF once paid 100 euro to ship 10 or 11kg of chocolate to the US :)

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scopeuk:

as logn as it has some componants i can salvage ltos of stuff

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gardengnome:

mind you, the chocolate was only woth 100?

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kayelem:

kormoc, ah, a cardboard cutout of a 57" plasma TV to fool the neighbours...?

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kayelem:

kormoc, if i had the money I'd pay a 4-figure sum for a pre-war mirror-lid TV...

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kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

nice

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kayelem:

but they're rare and a nice bit of furniture as well.

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kormoc:

yeah, well, I'm out

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** kormoc waves **

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kayelem:

seeyas kormoc

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gardengnome:

night, guys.

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kleptophobiac2:

anybody know if mythmusic needs single or double precision fftw?

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Dagmar:

kleptophobiac2: It becomes a non-issue since you can't use 3.x anyway

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Dagmar:

With 2.x you pass configure --prefix=/usr --enable-shared --enable-threads --enable-float --enable-i386-hacks and maybe --disable-fortran and you're about as close as you can get

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kleptophobiac2:

meh

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kleptophobiac2:

it doesn't support fftw3?

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kleptophobiac2:

that's poor

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kleptophobiac2:

:-/

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kleptophobiac2:

then why does the configure check for fftw3 libs?

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Dagmar:

To drive you nuts

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kleptophobiac2:

...

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Dagmar:

...and because they've just *started* working on trying to use it

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Dagmar:

It doesn't work right now, and it says so pretty clearly in the docs

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Dagmar:

...and believe me I bent over @#$@! backwards trying to get it to build against 3.x anway.

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kleptophobiac2:

haha

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kleptophobiac2:

alright

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kleptophobiac2:

i was using svn rather than .19.1, so i thought the howto was maybe a little behind since the configure was checking for 3.x

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ru:

lo all

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ru:

im trying to setup my serial IR Blaster using lirc

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ru:

but im not really having any joy

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ru:

whenever I run lirc's irexec lirc seems to crash

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah

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kleptophobiac2:

that's because it's not connecting to the driver node

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ru:

"could not get file information for /dev/ledxmit"

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ru:

thats what I see in the logs

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ru:

kleptophobiac2: oh

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ru:

kleptophobiac2: Any idea where I go from here to fix it?

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kleptophobiac2:

means one of two things

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kleptophobiac2:

or... two of two things, depending how unworthy you are

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kleptophobiac2:

;)

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kleptophobiac2:

1) the blaster driver isn't loaded properly

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kleptophobiac2:

2) lircd isn't being pointed to the right /dev node

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ru:

It says "caught signal" && "ledxmitd(serial) ready"

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kleptophobiac2:

doesn't mean much

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ru:

(I renamed the lirc driver to ledxmit for sending so it doesnt conflict with my lirc receiver"

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ru:

kleptophobiac2: oh

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kleptophobiac2:

are you sure your serial parameters are correct?

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ru:

hmm, im not certain, lemme check my modules page

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ru:

options ledxmit_serial irq=3 io=0x2f8

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ru:

Is that what you're after?

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kleptophobiac2:

lol, i wouldn't know. it's system dependent

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kleptophobiac2:

that's... com2?

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ru:

well i copied it from this guys guide: http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/21/35/

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ru:

I am running Ubuntu Dapper Drake, his guide is for breezy, but I doubt that makes a diff

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ru:

com2 – gee I dunno, again

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ru:

how do i check if my serial port is bound to com2?

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kleptophobiac2:

you could use minicom or setserial to look at /dev/ttyS1

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kleptophobiac2:

which should be COM2

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kleptophobiac2:

i assume your blaster is plugged into the second serial port?

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ru:

i think i only have one in my pc... lemme check

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kleptophobiac2:

if you only have one

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kleptophobiac2:

then you likely need COM1 parameters

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kleptophobiac2:

bin/setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none

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kleptophobiac2:

and io=0x3f8

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kayelem:

irq=4 as well, iirc

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ru:

aaah

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ru:

ok I ran "/bin/setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none"

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kleptophobiac2:

kayelem – isn't that bios settable?

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ru:

lemme try restart ledxmitd and see what happens

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ru:

thanks kleptophobiac2

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kleptophobiac2:

heh, dunno if it works yet

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kayelem:

damn. remote X doesn't wanna work.

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kayelem:

gah, switch distros then spend 3 weeks fixing everything

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kleptophobiac2:

:-/

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kleptophobiac2:

what'd you switch from/to?

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kayelem:

kleptophobiac2, yeah, but default for com1 is 0x3f8 irq 4

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kayelem:

kleptophobiac2, Slackware 10.2 to Gentoo

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kleptophobiac2:

ah

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kleptophobiac2:

i used to be a slacker

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kayelem:

I still have it on my servers

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kleptophobiac2:

now I use Arch linux

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kayelem:

but for desktop; it was getting a PITA to build up big apps from source and satisfy all the deps manually.

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kayelem:

"emerge huge_bloaty_app" now takes care of everything for me... ;-)

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kleptophobiac2:

hahahaha

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah, i hated slackware pkg management

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kleptophobiac2:

but i hate compiling 23/6/364

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Zider:

same reason I switched from slack -> gentoo :D

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ru:

damn i seem to be getting the same thing

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ru:

as soon as i run irexec it outputs nothing – then crashes

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kleptophobiac2:

when loading lircd, are you specifying the device and driver to use or letting it guess?

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Zider:

I compile maybe 2–3 hours a week

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kleptophobiac2:

i like my i686 binary based system

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kleptophobiac2:

it's probably 99.997% as fast as gentoo

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kleptophobiac2:

and no compiling

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kayelem:

Zider, about the same; I'll kick off an update before I crash out for the night.

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ru:

im just running /usr/local/lirc-ledxmit/sbin/ledxmit-ledxmitd

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ru:

I assume that equates to me just letting it guess right?

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kleptophobiac2:

yes

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ru:

hehe

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kleptophobiac2:

try specifying the device

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kleptophobiac2:

-d /dev/<whatever you called it>

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ru:

--device /dev/ledxmit0?

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ru:

or -d

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Zider:

I don't care about the 0,00000005% possible speed gain, I just enjoy gentoo more.. especially the package system.. :D

[01:44:13]

ru:

kk

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kleptophobiac2:

Zider – if you have a spare P2 or better box kicking around, give Arch a try

[01:44:46]

kleptophobiac2:

it's beautifully simple

[01:45:14]

Zider:

kleptophobiac2: I have a spare P3 700.. but I'm not really interested in switching distros.. again.. ;)

[01:45:16]

kleptophobiac2:

not particularly brightly colored and fuzzy like fedora or ubunto... but gentooers would probably appreciate that

[01:45:27]

kayelem:

Zider, likewise; i have a very conservative set of CFLAGS; as i like stability. I just like having deps sorted out for me. Besides, I used to build stuff from source on slackware most of the time; on Gentoo it's faster as I don't have to babysit the machine and install 18 libraries int he right order by hand...

[01:45:47]

kleptophobiac2:

kayelem – i hated that...

[01:45:47]

Zider:

kayelem: exactly :D

[01:45:53]

ru:

sweet – it looks like its doing something more now

[01:45:57]

Zider:

kayelem: genkernel is pretty nifty too

[01:46:02]

kleptophobiac2:

<plug> arch has the best package maintenance / dep sorter ever!! </plug>

[01:46:54]

kleptophobiac2:

and best of all

[01:46:56]

kleptophobiac2:

it's called pacman

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kayelem:

heh... maybe another time... I have 3 gentoo boxen set up here now; i don't want to confuse myself. Having Gentoo, Slackware, OpenBSD and Irix to look after will do for now...

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ru:

hmm, how do you use this darned irexec command

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ru:

/usr/local/lirc-ledxmit/bin/ledxmit-irsend SEND_ONCE Multichoice_DSD910 5

[01:47:39]

ru:

It just returns nothing?

[01:47:49]

kleptophobiac2:

that means

[01:47:50]

kleptophobiac2:

it probably sent it

[01:48:01]

kleptophobiac2:

do you have a camcorder, webcam, or digital camera?

[01:48:13]

kleptophobiac2:

if so

[01:48:18]

kleptophobiac2:

point one of them at your IR blaster

[01:48:20]

kleptophobiac2:

send the command

[01:48:25]

kleptophobiac2:

and watch through the video device

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kayelem:

ah, that trick – I was about to suggest that... beat me to it.

[01:48:29]

kleptophobiac2:

IR is visible to CCD cameras

[01:48:32]

kleptophobiac2:

you should see the pulse

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ru:

wow

[01:48:41]

kleptophobiac2:

:)

[01:48:42]

ru:

thats insane!

[01:48:47]

ru:

gonna do it now – how cool

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ru:

thanks kleptophobiac2

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kleptophobiac2:

hahaha

[01:48:56]

kleptophobiac2:

physics is fun!

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kayelem:

It's visible to old vidicon cameras, i used to use a security camera to test remotes back when i fixed TVs

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kleptophobiac2:

it'll be visible to any CCD system

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kayelem:

vidicon != CCD

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kleptophobiac2:

must predate me

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kayelem:

thermionic scanned electron tube things.

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kleptophobiac2:

it's a PMT based camera

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kleptophobiac2:

so it'll be sensitive to a fairly broad range of wavelenghts (assuming there isn't much filtering...)

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kayelem:

kleptophobiac2, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_camera_tube

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ru:

hmm im looking at it via my camera, but im not seeing anything

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kayelem:

vidicon's listed in theere

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ru:

what should the pulse look like?

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kleptophobiac2:

look at a normal remote

[01:51:28]

kleptophobiac2:

that'll let you know what it's supposed to look like

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ru:

hehe oh yeah

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kleptophobiac2:

just a white pulse coming out of the window

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ru:

wow!

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kleptophobiac2:

you'll have to do a pretty decent job aiming for the camera though

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ru:

thats so swazz

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ru:

swazz = sweetass

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kleptophobiac2:

hehe, fun, isn't it?

[01:52:10]

ru:

hmm

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ru:

now why isnt this stupid serial transmitter doing anything

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kleptophobiac2:

1) you fubbed lirc with your mods to it

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kleptophobiac2:

2) the module isn't happy

[01:53:38]

kleptophobiac2:

3) the device node isn't happy

[01:53:38]

kleptophobiac2:

4) lircd (or whatever you called it) isn't pointing to the right device

[01:53:38]

kleptophobiac2:

5) lircd isn't using the right driver (it might be thinking it's a receiver)

[01:53:38]

kleptophobiac2:

6) irexec isn't pointing to the right device/port/driver

[01:53:40]

kleptophobiac2:

7) your blast (homemade?) is a pile of trash

[01:53:43]

kleptophobiac2:

8) your serial ports are misconfigured

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kleptophobiac2:

*blaster

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kayelem:

as i have a couple of 'scopes here I'd check the output of the serial port; though not everyone has a 'scope handy....

[01:54:32]

ru:

thanks let me run through each of those

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kleptophobiac2:

long live tektronix!

[01:54:49]

kleptophobiac2:

although

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kayelem:

kleptophobiac2, heh; getting a 585 soon :)

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ru:

in one of the remote conf's that i am using it has this " flags RC5|SHIFT_ENC|CONST_LENGTH"

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kleptophobiac2:

those people lacking in test equipment

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ru:

and lirc is moaning about it having multiple protocols specified

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ru:

which one would I use?

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kleptophobiac2:

can always use a parallel port poor man's logic analyzer

[01:55:46]

kleptophobiac2:

RC5 is most common

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ru:

kk

[01:57:02]

kleptophobiac2:

http://zebra.tky.hut.fi/~jap/Programming/Slogan/

[01:57:42]

kleptophobiac2:

fun little program

[01:57:55]

kleptophobiac2:

poorly written..... but fun

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ru:

how can i list what is plugged into what serial ports?

[01:58:59]

kleptophobiac2:

sorry

[01:59:00]

kleptophobiac2:

you can't

[01:59:02]

kleptophobiac2:

it's a dumb interface

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ru:

hehe – I guess it predates the wonderous ways of usb and pci

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kleptophobiac2:

:-/

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kleptophobiac2:

sorry

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kleptophobiac2:

which is why I built four of these

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kayelem:

ru, predates by several decades

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kleptophobiac2:

http://usbirboy.sourceforge.net/

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ru:

The protocol setting shouldnt matter obviously though hey – I should still see the thing blasting via the camera

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kleptophobiac2:

yes

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kleptophobiac2:

as long as you have some code to blast

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kleptophobiac2:

if you don't... then... well... maybe not

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kleptophobiac2:

:)

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higen:

maybe a dumb question.. but when irrecord asks for "hold down an arbitrary button" what does it mean?

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higen:

any button?

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kleptophobiac2:

yep

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higen:

darn.. it dosnt seem to fetch the input from my remote..

[02:14:40]

kleptophobiac2:

use mode2 to watch the pulses

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kleptophobiac2:

lowest level method of verifying hardware/driver function

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higen:

ahh.. nice.. i will check that program

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ru:

mode2?

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higen:

nop.. its saying it not whats needed

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higen:

"in order to test your setup run lircd with the --nodeamon option and then check if the remotes works with the irw tool

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ru:

oh yeah

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ru:

irw will show u ur IR transmissions

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ru:

just run irw

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kleptophobiac2:

no, irw will only show IR transmissions that match your config file

[02:20:09]

ru:

then point ur remote at the receiver, press some buttons and see what comes up

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kleptophobiac2:

mode2 will show you any pulses at all

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ru:

oh

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ru:

my bad

[02:20:28]

kleptophobiac2:

which is why mode2 is the most basic health check

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higen:

well.. still.. i cant run mode2

[02:20:53]

kleptophobiac2:

what's the error

[02:20:54]

kleptophobiac2:

?

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higen:

it tells me it doesnt to what i want when i point my device

[02:21:03]

higen:

i have typed the error

[02:21:13]

higen:

it tells me that i should use irw

[02:21:26]

higen:

well.. irw running.. but there is no action when i point my remote..

[02:21:32]

higen:

i guess my remote is not supported...

[02:21:37]

higen:

probably driver issue

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kleptophobiac2:

no

[02:21:57]

kleptophobiac2:

if it's a serial IR receiver

[02:22:01]

kleptophobiac2:

the remote can be supported

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kleptophobiac2:

read the mode2 documentation so you know how to use it

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higen:

its build into the card :)

[02:22:17]

kleptophobiac2:

what kind of remote?

[02:22:22]

higen:

so.. no serial ir

[02:22:27]

higen:

pinnacle

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kleptophobiac2:

oh

[02:22:40]

kleptophobiac2:

you built and tried lirc without checking if it was supported first?

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ru:

I still cant get my blasted blaster to work :p

[02:22:58]

kleptophobiac2:

Pinnacle Systems PCTV (pro) receiver

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kleptophobiac2:

is supported

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higen:

built?? we are in 2005... today we do a aptitude install :P

[02:23:01]

ru:

This is my configure line, do you think the irq setting may be wrong?

[02:23:18]

ru:

./configure --program-prefix=ledxmit- --prefix=/usr/local/lirc-ledxmit --with-major=72 --with-port=0x2f8 --with-irq=3 --with-transmitter --enable-sandboxed --with-driver=serial --with-kerneldir=/usr/src/linux

[02:23:26]

ru:

should I try changing port?

[02:23:30]

kleptophobiac2:

change to COM1

[02:23:49]

kleptophobiac2:

check your mobo BIOS to see what the IRQ/address of COM1 are

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ru:

io=0x3f8 ?

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kleptophobiac2:

it's probably io=0x3f8

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kleptophobiac2:

and IRQ=4 or 5

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ru:

I cant check IRQ address while booted?

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kleptophobiac2:

dmesg | less

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kleptophobiac2:

happy hunting

[02:25:01]

ru:

[17179572.372000] serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A

[02:25:03]

kleptophobiac2:

search for ttyS0

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ru:

[17179572.376000] 00:05: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A

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Dagmar:

Um... no

[02:25:23]

Dagmar:

The first cua is always IRQ4, the second is always IRQ3.

[02:25:35]

kleptophobiac2:

my bios has those parameters configurable

[02:25:38]

Dagmar:

03f8 IRQ 4, 02f8 IRQ 3, always.

[02:26:03]

Dagmar:

I would think that someone who'd gone into their BIOS to screw those settings up would remember it

[02:26:14]

kleptophobiac2:

lol

[02:26:16]

kleptophobiac2:

afraid not

[02:26:23]

Dagmar:

Then that's their problem.

[02:26:42]

Dagmar:

It's definitely not "sometimes" 5.

[02:26:55]

kleptophobiac2:

dude, it doesn't matter... dmesg printed it out

[02:27:01]

Dagmar:

It's only "sometimes" 5 when someone's gone to the trouble to move it from 4, which would kinda be nuts

[02:28:00]

** ru shrugs **

[02:28:07]

ru:

lemme try this now, thanks guys

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** kleptophobiac2 is chowing down **

[02:29:12]

higen:

well.. i probably should get a MCE remote to do the job anyway.. i am only going to use myth for music and picture lib. :)

[02:29:22]

higen:

and hopefully netradio.. (if that is supported?)

[02:30:09]

kleptophobiac2:

yes as in you can do it with linux

[02:30:14]

kleptophobiac2:

no as in myth doesn't have streaming support

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higen:

ohh.. i realy took that for granted..

[02:30:50]

higen:

so.. you actually cant listen to any mp3 streams in myth?

[02:31:00]

kleptophobiac2:

HTTP MP3 streams? no

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kleptophobiac2:

MP3's stored on a file server, yes

[02:31:14]

kleptophobiac2:

there are some third party plugins to try and do that

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higen:

ok.. then i realy need to reconsidre my use of myth

[02:31:19]

kleptophobiac2:

but they're poorly supported and generally iffy

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kleptophobiac2:

nothing stops you from binding a button on the remote to launch XMMS

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higen:

right now my "non-working" remote stops me from quit much :P

[02:33:14]

higen:

well.. hmm.. i am using streams rather much.. so.. hmm..

[02:33:34]

higen:

but i also love the mt-daapd server running on my linuxbox atm

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ru:

hmm

[02:34:15]

higen:

which makes linux sooo neat.. it will do almost everything for me.. except the multimediapart

[02:34:22]

ru:

i changed the serial settings, recompiled and updated modules but still nothing

[02:34:33]

ru:

how do I actually check what serial port this is in? I only have one as far as I know

[02:36:01]

ru:

if i only have one, howcome it would bind itself to com2 and not com1?

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kleptophobiac2:

because you specified com2 when you compiled previously

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ru:

I did? --with-port=0x2f8 --with-irq=3

[02:36:57]

ru:

doesnt that =com1?

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kleptophobiac2:

that's com2

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ru:

Or do you mean my kernel?

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ru:

oh

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ru:

com1, irq4? com2 = irq3?

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kleptophobiac2:

yes

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ru:

thats a little illogical?

[02:38:09]

ru:

isnt it?

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Dagmar:

It's easier to remember if you keep com3 and com4 in mind.

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ru:

When I run /bin/setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none do I need to update all modules or recompile?

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kleptophobiac2:

do the setserial with the module unloaded

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Dagmar:

Com1 ~ IRQ4, Com2 ~ IRQ3, Com3 ~ IRQ4, Com4 – IRQ3

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kleptophobiac2:

then reload your lirc module

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Dagmar:

Note the juxtaposition

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ru:

kleptophobiac2: kk

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ru:

Dagmar: oh ok that makes sense

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vronsky:

has anyone successfully used an addon pci audio with myth? i keep getting buffer overflows

[02:42:34]

kleptophobiac2:

i have to use an addon pci card to get clean audio

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kleptophobiac2:

damn onboard screeches like a banshee whenever i do network transfer

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vronsky:

what card do you use?

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kleptophobiac2:

sb audigy

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kleptophobiac2:

i had one kicking around

[02:43:19]

kleptophobiac2:

so it was a matter of convenience

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vronsky:

hmm

[02:43:38]

kleptophobiac2:

the sb live has weirdass mixer controls that make it nigh on impossible to use

[02:43:39]

vronsky:

maybe i should take this one back and buy one of those...

[02:43:46]

kleptophobiac2:

what do you have?

[02:44:17]

vronsky:

generic ICEnsemble ICE1724

[02:44:27]

kleptophobiac2:

envy 24ht-s?

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vronsky:

yep

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vronsky:

aka

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kleptophobiac2:

that's supposed to be a pretty good card for this

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kleptophobiac2:

what's your failure?

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ru:

damn this is a pain in the ass

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vronsky:

2006-06–23 19:05:30.116 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! printing on console as fast as the computer can possibly manage to scroll it.. heheh

[02:45:52]

kleptophobiac2:

uhh

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kleptophobiac2:

are you trying to output analog or spdif?

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kleptophobiac2:

and do you have a sound daemon running?

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vronsky:

analog into the microphone jack

[02:46:20]

vronsky:

no

[02:46:30]

vronsky:

sometimes it works for a little while

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kleptophobiac2:

i mean for output

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kleptophobiac2:

i honestly haven't a clue on that one

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vronsky:

yeah

[02:47:01]

kleptophobiac2:

but... i'm guessing your actual sound card has little to do with that

[02:47:07]

vronsky:

nobody seems to

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ru:

Blast damn u blast!!

[02:47:11]

vronsky:

tvtime works

[02:47:18]

kleptophobiac2:

well

[02:47:20]

kleptophobiac2:

if that's the case

[02:47:24]

kleptophobiac2:

it's probably a myth configuration issue

[02:47:32]

kleptophobiac2:

what are you using for your output settings in the general configuration page?

[02:47:33]

** ru gets other IRBlaster **

[02:49:03]

vronsky:

in mythfrontend?

[02:49:10]

kleptophobiac2:

yeah

[02:49:21]

vronsky:

i've tried aggro buffering on and off

[02:49:53]

vronsky:

i think it has something to do with the data not making it across the pci bus fast enough or something

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kleptophobiac2:

...

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kleptophobiac2:

if it works on TV time

[02:50:04]

kleptophobiac2:

...

[02:50:06]

vronsky:

yeah

[02:50:18]

vronsky:

must be a myth bug...

[02:50:38]

kleptophobiac2:

you didn't answer my question

[02:50:44]

kleptophobiac2:

what do you use for output device?

[02:50:45]

kleptophobiac2:

and mixer?

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vronsky:

google says others have had this problem but no one seems to have a solution... someone said it was fixed in .19-fixes or trunk, but i tried those. — /dev/dsp /dev/mixer

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kleptophobiac2:

try using ALSA

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kleptophobiac2:

ALSA:default

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kleptophobiac2:

default

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vronsky:

doesnt show up but i did compile with alsa support

[02:51:52]

kleptophobiac2:

it won't

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vronsky:

xmms can play through alsa

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kleptophobiac2:

you have to type it in

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ru:

there has to be a better way to see if this thing is blasting?

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kleptophobiac2:

no better way than with the camera

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kleptophobiac2:

ru – did you build your own blaster or buy one?

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ru:

i bought them from www.irblaster.info

[02:54:07]

kleptophobiac2:

wow expensive

[02:54:08]

vronsky:

holy shit

[02:54:13]

vronsky:

i think it is working

[02:54:13]

ru:

$12?

[02:54:22]

ru:

thats not expensive it is?

[02:54:25]

kleptophobiac2:

i think it is

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ru:

I actually do have two serial connectors on my motherboard, but one is a male and the other is a female — does that count?

[02:54:36]

kleptophobiac2:

wtf?

[02:54:43]

kleptophobiac2:

are you sure one isn't a VGA port?

[02:54:49]

kleptophobiac2:

both are 9 pins?

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ru:

oh lol yeah its a vga port obviously

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ru:

getting confused – its 5am here

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kleptophobiac2:

go to sleep before you accidentally break something

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ru:

Never!

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ru:

This thing has to blast before I go anywher

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kleptophobiac2:

vronsky – that's good to hear

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kleptophobiac2:

try using a simpler setup first

[02:56:48]

kleptophobiac2:

instead of recompiling lirc with goofy device names and the like

[02:57:00]

kleptophobiac2:

lowest common denominator, you know?

[02:57:42]

kleptophobiac2:

http://www.irblaster.info/receiver.html

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kleptophobiac2:

omg, those are ghetto

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vronsky:

i was going insane trying to get this thing to work... thanks a lot

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kleptophobiac2:

and it's all good?

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kleptophobiac2:

mixer's working and everything?

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** vronsky knocks on wood. **

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kleptophobiac2:

i think the first IR receiver i made was less ghetto

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kleptophobiac2:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e360/klepto . . . finished.jpg

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ru:

damn

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ru:

thats pretty slick

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kleptophobiac2:

i do homebrew circuit boards

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Aid`:

like what?

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kleptophobiac2:

8051 microcomputers!

[03:00:52]

kleptophobiac2:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e360/klepto . . . 51-rev4d.jpg

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kleptophobiac2:

like that

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ru:

holy shit

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Aid`:

kleptophobiac2: i'd love to be able to do those sort of things

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ru:

thats crazy

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kleptophobiac2:

:)

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kleptophobiac2:

i'm a nerd at heart

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ru:

is that ur mythbox or something?

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kleptophobiac2:

don't worry, it comes with a price... i'm not so hot with the ladies

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Aid`:

yeah i just wish i could that'd be sweet

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kleptophobiac2:

hahahaha, noooo!

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kleptophobiac2:

that's about twice as powerful as a TI graphing calculator

[03:02:04]

Aid`:

but ive really never looked into that kind of thing

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Aid`:

kleptophobiac2: so what? :) you can buy ladies with $$ that you make from being smart

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kleptophobiac2:

i suppose, but it's just not as sweet, you know?

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Aid`:

how old are you?

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kleptophobiac2:

haha, too young to be complaining

[03:04:28]

kleptophobiac2:

how about that?

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kleptophobiac2:

:p

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** kayelem wonders if she should let on she's a girl..? **

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Aid`:

holy crap you did all of 8051-rev4d.jpg??

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kleptophobiac2:

eh, from a text box, i don't think it matters

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Cyberai:

there are no girls in the iunternet

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ru:

kayelem: naah prolly not the best

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kayelem:

ru, heh

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Cyberai:

the internet – where the men ar men and the girls are men

[03:05:14]

Aid`:

:)

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Aid`:

but dang how easy is it to make something like http://www.irblaster.info/receiver.html ?

[03:05:37]

kleptophobiac2:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e360/klepto . . . e-layout.png

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ru:

all i want is a hot chick with linux skills – is that too much to ask?

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kleptophobiac2:

that's the circuit layout for the computer – both layers

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kleptophobiac2:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e360/klepto . . . d-etched.jpg

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kayelem:

ru, I'm alreadt spoken for, sorry.

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kleptophobiac2:

that's what the circuit for the receiver looks like

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kleptophobiac2:

so it's pretty simple

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Aid`:

what exactly is a circuit reciever

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kleptophobiac2:

just a cap, a diode, a resistor, and an L05 regulator

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kleptophobiac2:

no no, that's the circuit that receives IR signals

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ru:

kayelem: hah pretty modest of u

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kleptophobiac2:

oh, and the IR detector itself

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Cyberai:

hey, I'm running Ubuntu and I need to remove my ivtv because I don't think its compatible with my pvr card. This seems stupid to ask, but how the heck do I remove the kernel module and "de-install" the ivtv? (I installed from source)

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Aid`:

kleptophobiac2: how hard would it be to make that thing they're selling for like $12?

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kleptophobiac2:

i made mine for nothing?

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kleptophobiac2:

i had the detector from a dead VCR

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ru:

well put it this way, i dont even had a solderer, so $12 is a hell of a lot cheaper than we making one

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kleptophobiac2:

well

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kleptophobiac2:

with no equipment already

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kleptophobiac2:

yes, it's a good price

[03:07:44]

kleptophobiac2:

but I have four soldering irons

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kleptophobiac2:

piles of parts

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ru:

http://www.lirc.org/transmitters.html

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Aid`:

you could burn a candle

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ru:

Check that link Aid`

[03:07:55]

Aid`:

and hope you burn the right stuff

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kayelem:

if you've got the tools and a good collection of junk, that sort of thing costs zero.

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** kayelem has a good collection of junk... **

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Aid`:

but how hard is it to actually make?

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kleptophobiac2:

it gets harder the smaller you make it

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kleptophobiac2:

:)

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ru:

Aid`: http://www.lirc.org/images/simple_transmitter.gif

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Aid`:

kleptophobiac2: i dont care it can be 4inches by 4 inches

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ru:

hah

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kayelem:

axtually designing stuff I guess can be hard; understanding transistor characteristics so you can bias them, etc.

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kleptophobiac2:

well

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kleptophobiac2:

you can buy the parts from radio shack

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kleptophobiac2:

and put one together

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kayelem:

most of it's fairly simple maths.

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Aid`:

im like 10feet away from my directv reciever, I have a cord going from it to my tv card and then a card from my video card to the tv

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah... but i still hate analog circuit design

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Aid`:

its a huge mess that i'd like to clean up a bit

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kayelem:

putting together someone else's circuits are pretty easy; I have to admit i use stripboard for most prototyping.

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Aid`:

kleptophobiac2: i think i may go into college studying that sort of thing

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kleptophobiac2:

i think what you call stripboard and what I call breadboard are the same?

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kleptophobiac2:

alright

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** kleptophobiac2 is just about to go to uni **

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kayelem:

kleptophobiac2, PCB material, 0.1" x 0.1" grid of holes and copper strips on one side.

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Aid`:

well im off see ya

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kleptophobiac2:

ah, what I call perfboard

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kleptophobiac2:

Aid` – good night

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kayelem:

kleptophobiac2, ah, what I call perfboard is stripboard with no copper :-P

[03:11:28]

kleptophobiac2:

hehe

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kleptophobiac2:

isn't nomenclature fun

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kleptophobiac2:

?

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kayelem:

I use perfboard sometimes, lower stray capacitance than stripboard

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kleptophobiac2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breadboard

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kleptophobiac2:

i love those

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ru:

kleptophobiac2: So based on my dmesg I can assume with absolute certainty that the com port i should be setting my blaster up on is "serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A"

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kleptophobiac2:

yes

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kleptophobiac2:

no question about it

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ru:

kk

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ru:

ta

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kayelem:

kleptophobiac2, ah, pluggable breadboard; yeah, i have some.

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kleptophobiac2:

i took three of them and hooked them together on one panel

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kleptophobiac2:

so now i have a square foot of breadboard

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kleptophobiac2:

i love it!

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kayelem:

Stripboard aka veroboard – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stripboard

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kleptophobiac2:

i even made up a kit of jumper wires and plugs and jumpers

[03:13:12]

kleptophobiac2:

oh... that *does* look really capacitative

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kayelem:

it's not so bad if you cut the tracks as short as they need to be

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kleptophobiac2:

kayelem – do you have any desire to make PCB's at home?

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kleptophobiac2:

i've written up a fairly decent guide to the process

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kayelem:

kleptophobiac2, yeah; i have done in the past using various techniques.

[03:14:18]

kleptophobiac2:

i use the toner transfer + H2O2/HCl etchant method

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kayelem:

from directly printing etch-resist onto boards to using photo-sensitive resist

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kleptophobiac2:

but i'm pretty particular about process control

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kleptophobiac2:

and i'm way too cheap for photo board

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kayelem:

in one job, pre CAD days, I did double-sided boards on a big lightbox, 2x full size with blue and red tape.

[03:15:13]

kleptophobiac2:

oh man... that sucks

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kayelem:

so I've been through most of the techniques...

[03:15:19]

kleptophobiac2:

my dad did that

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kleptophobiac2:

:p

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kayelem:

heh, I'm showing my age...

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kleptophobiac2:

eh, who cares?

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kleptophobiac2:

i don't know why we obsess so much about youth

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kayelem:

back when 'puters had an 8088 at 4.77MHz and 512k RAM if you were lucky...

[03:16:24]

kayelem:

kleptophobiac2, indeed. I've tried hard not to grow up, anyway. Not doing too bad at it.

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kleptophobiac2:

my dad used to do semiconductor design... he quit that job when the biggest RAM chip available was 64K

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kleptophobiac2:

and the process size was big enough that you could probe the chips with a needle

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kleptophobiac2:

by hand

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kleptophobiac2:

hehehe

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kayelem:

kleptophobiac2, one of my more recent creations – still not quite right; I'm debugging it – http://www.technogoths.demon.co.uk/405/RGB-conv-II.png

[03:17:59]

kleptophobiac2:

scan converter?

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kayelem:

RGB/sync (from VGA connector) to composite mono converter, for one of my projects.

[03:18:22]

kleptophobiac2:

that's pretty nifty... what's the project?

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kayelem:

(I collect vintage TV sets and run them off a PC running MythTV)

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kleptophobiac2:

wow!

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kleptophobiac2:

that's awesome!

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kleptophobiac2:

i'm impressed

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kayelem:

here – MythTV running on a 40-year-old 405-line monitor – http://www.technogoths.demon.co.uk/405/20060529-405-PG.jpg

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kleptophobiac2:

hot damn, that should be in the mythtv.org image gallery

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kayelem:

kleptophobiac2, I'll submit something when I've got some better results

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kleptophobiac2:

you'd better

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kleptophobiac2:

:)

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kayelem:

I'm getting crisper, sharper pictures already, and tweakingt he UI a bit.

[03:20:13]

kleptophobiac2:

mind if i save that picture?

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kayelem:

Also want to submit a shot of it running on a 1957 TV set I've not yet broght back here

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kayelem:

kleptophobiac2, sure :)

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kleptophobiac2:

haha, thanks

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kleptophobiac2:

i recently threw away a 1970's era B&W TV

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kleptophobiac2:

or rather... scrapped for parts

[03:21:08]

kleptophobiac2:

same thing

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kleptophobiac2:

:)

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kayelem:

kleptophobiac2, though keep checking back here, I'm sure i'll have better shots. The font size was a bit off on that one, the text escaped the box at the top.

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kleptophobiac2:

meh, close enough

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kayelem:

I'm shortly getting one of these – and I'll have MythTV running on it – http://www.thevalvepage.com/tv/dynatron/tv30/tv30.htm

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kayelem:

that's a big set – 17" CRT.

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kleptophobiac2:

oh man, big enough for the whole family!

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kleptophobiac2:

though i have to wonder

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kleptophobiac2:

why do you run mythtv on them?

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kleptophobiac2:

instead of something else?

[03:22:42]

kleptophobiac2:

like beaver reruns?

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kleptophobiac2:

;)

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kayelem:

I collect and restore old tech; and old TV sets in the UK are a bit tricky – there's been no 405-line VHF service since 1985 so you have to "roll your own" somhow.

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kleptophobiac2:

that would be a problem...

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kleptophobiac2:

i suppose old ataris would plug in?

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kayelem:

in the US it's not so much a problem; an old 525-line VHF set will still work.

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kayelem:

kleptophobiac2, nope, even the eighties computers were 625 UHF

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah, since NTSC is so backwards

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kayelem:

people have built standards converters; though they're rather complex.

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kleptophobiac2:

i'd imagine so

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kleptophobiac2:

i assume they're digital and scale the image and then remodulate?

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kayelem:

you have to store lines then clock them out at a slower rate; and interpolate 3:2 to get 405 from 625.

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kleptophobiac2:

ewww

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kayelem:

the BBC had some funky converters, using CCD delay lines built from discrete parts

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kleptophobiac2:

they sold those to people to continue using their old sets?

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kayelem:

running X at the right timings and having the computer interpolate/scale is so much better.

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah, that does sound easier

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kayelem:

Watching off-air digital TV on a 405 line set with MythTV I'm getting better pictures than I think I've ever seen.

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kleptophobiac2:

what are you using for reference? ;)

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kayelem:

on smaller screens the line structure's not really a problem. Say, up to 17"

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kleptophobiac2:

ah, so it blends together better?

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kleptophobiac2:

smoother image?

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kayelem:

kleptophobiac2, seeing pictures from DVD players fed through a 625->405 converter is my reference, really.

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kayelem:

too many steps, much degradation.

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kleptophobiac2:

ah

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kleptophobiac2:

indeed

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kayelem:

play DVD inside computer, scale and interpolate int he digital domain and only output to analogue once, at 405-line timings.

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kleptophobiac2:

much cleaner signal path

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kayelem:

And no colour subcarrier to cause patterning; I get perfect monochrome pictures with that combiner.

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kayelem:

At the show i demoed it at, everyone seemed impressed with the picture quality.

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kleptophobiac2:

lol, that's quite comical

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kleptophobiac2:

anyway

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kleptophobiac2:

i'm afraid i'm quite sleepy

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kleptophobiac2:

so I think i'm off to bed

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kayelem:

That's me at the show – http://www.technogoths.demon.co.uk/temp/MythTV-NVCF-20060507.jpg

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kayelem:

it was on a professional monitor as well.

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kayelem:

kleptophobiac2, I ought to go as well, 4:30am here...

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kleptophobiac2:

nice

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kleptophobiac2:

oh my

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kleptophobiac2:

i hope you're not doing anything in the morning

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kayelem:

nope, "between jobs" for health reasons atm.

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kleptophobiac2:

:-/

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kleptophobiac2:

good luck with that

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kayelem:

So more time for hacking on Linux systems and taking vintage TVs apart :)

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kleptophobiac2:

hahaha, nothing quite like hobby time is there?

[03:31:24]

kayelem:

oh yeah.

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kleptophobiac2:

well

[03:31:34]

kayelem:

lack of money sucks, but I scrounge cheap/free stuff.

[03:31:35]

kleptophobiac2:

enjoy the rest

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kleptophobiac2:

i dumpster dive

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kayelem:

Like that tek 585 'scope...

[03:31:59]

kleptophobiac2:

local high school pitched three dead tektronix scopes

[03:32:02]

kleptophobiac2:

between the three

[03:32:05]

kleptophobiac2:

i got one good one

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kleptophobiac2:

score!

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kleptophobiac2:

:D

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kayelem:

heh, i dumpster dive as well; very unladylike according to my partner.

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kleptophobiac2:

blah blah, anything in pursuit of a hobby

[03:32:29]

kayelem:

But how can i resist discarded tech i can recycle?

[03:32:41]

kleptophobiac2:

i live near a telephone switching station

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kleptophobiac2:

they throw out all sorts of good stuff

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kayelem:

ohh!

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kayelem:

heh

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kayelem:

anyway... lateness... sleep... etc...

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kleptophobiac2:

yes yes yes

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kleptophobiac2:

good night!

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kayelem:

'night to anyone else left :)

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ru:

damn

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ru:

well im at a loss

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ru:

what else could be the cause of this

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ru:

my damned IRblaster just doesnt wanna work

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vronsky:

hmmm myth still seems quite a bit noisier than tvtime

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vronsky:

even on raw

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eiggirC:

Hey all – I want to record some input from a video recorder. Whats the best way to do this using a mythbackend?

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smokey:

my mythbox keeps stopping to record, and i cant watch anything when it happens.. i check the mythbackend log file.. which shows:

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smokey:

2006-06–23 22:00:05.811 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(2048) free(2047)

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smokey:

any ideas?

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eiggirC:

whats "TFW" ? the hostname?

[04:11:08]

smokey:

nope

[04:11:08]

eiggirC:

sounds like hardware problems with the tuner card

[04:11:08]

smokey:

i have no idea

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smokey:

there are 2 pvr 250's in there

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eiggirC:

no idea sorry – never seen that myself

[04:11:08]

eiggirC:

tried googling the error?

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Anduin:

smokey: recording to a local hdd?

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smokey:

Anduin, yes

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Anduin:

smokey: Did this work before?

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smokey:

it's a new box

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smokey:

it a 3ghz p4, with a gig of ram, and 2 pvr 250's.. so the system really should not be taxed

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Anduin:

smokey: The message indicates that the threaded file writer has run out of buffers, nor something normal to see on a well functioning local hdd. Assume you've done the hdparm -Tt just to check?

[04:34:21]

smokey:

Timing cached reads: 1184 MB in 2.00 seconds = 590.89 MB/sec

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smokey:

Timing buffered disk reads: 120 MB in 3.02 seconds = 39.70 MB/sec

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Cyberai:

I have a PVR250 and I have enerything working, but no sound. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

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smokey:

Anduin, do those look normal to you?

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Dagmar:

Looks pretty normal

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P-Vich:

hi all, I just have a really quick question or two about myth tv, is anyone available to assist?

[04:47:30]

P-Vich:

first question is, is Myth TV a standalone app/os or do you need an OS already installed on the PC to be able to utilize this? Also, if an OS is needed, can it be a windows OS or is only Linux supported??

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Dagmar:

You need Linux.

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P-Vich:

would Ubuntu Linux be good enough or is it only specific versions?

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Dagmar:

Is there some reason you can't access http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall ?

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smokey:

does mythfrontend create a log file? if so, where is to stored?

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P-Vich:

is there some reason why a new user can't ask a simple question in a chat channel that is made for these questions??

[04:51:26]

Dagmar:

Nope.

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Dagmar:

I just have a limit of one really lazy question per person, per day that I will answer.

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P-Vich:

if you don't want to answer my question, then don't, I'm sure that there is someone else in this channel will do it with a little more respect...

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smokey:

it seems there is suppost to be a frontend log in /var/log/mythtv, but i only have a backend log and filldatabase log

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Dagmar:

Note carefully. I *didn't* answer your question. I gave you the URL for the project's documentation.

[04:52:16]

Dagmar:

...which should be able to answer all your questions.

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Dagmar:

smokey: That depends entirely on how you've started the frontedn

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P-Vich:

that is the only other question I have and a simple yes or no is all you had to type, basically 2–3 characters as opposed to 70+ characters...

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smokey:

Dagmar, just using 'mythfrontend' command in a x init script

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Dagmar:

P-Vich: Enough whining.

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P-Vich:

I'm not whining, I am simply stating the obvious...

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Dagmar:

smokey: Then the output is likely getting swept off the top of the virtual console display

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P-Vich:

Dagmar: Enough rudeness

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Dagmar:

P-Vich: Dude, you are whining and trying your best to waste even more of my time.

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smokey:

Dagmar, so should i mythfrontend > logfile?

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Dagmar:

If you don't like that I politely gave you a URL then the least you could do is have the grace to not be a jerk about it

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Dagmar:

smokey: I'd use the tee utility personally, and 2>&1 as well but yeah basically

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P-Vich:

yeah, okay, so don't talk to me, then...I asked the CHANNEL a question, not YOU...therefore if you are too ignorant to type a "yes" or a "no" to my last question, then don't and someone else can be considerate enough to answer my question...

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Dagmar:

whine whine whine

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smokey:

P-Vich, google.com

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P-Vich:

......

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P-Vich:

I see incompetence still runs rampant in the IRC world...

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P-Vich:

ya'll have a good evening...I think I'll be looking for a different application for my business...bye

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Dagmar:

BYE!

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smokey:

P-Vich, why? cause you can read?

[04:57:23]

smokey:

for you business? hahaha

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smokey:

are you paying for the software or something?

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smokey:

Dagmar, do you think it could be ivtv causing those errors?

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Dagmar:

I don't *think* so. I'm googling for details on what that error might be coming from

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smokey:

Dagmar, yeah.. it seems people keep mentioning ivtv when i searched the error.. i was just wondering if you knew anything about it

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Dagmar:

Well, it's ThreadedFileWriter that is what the TFW is referring to

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Dagmar:

It could very well be that something's coming up that's maxing out the PCI bus, but I dunno

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metalac:

anyone knows whne 0.19.1 will be out?

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metalac:

website said it will be out shortly almost 2 months ago

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Dagmar:

smokey: About all I can suggest is upgrading to the latest ivtv if you haven't already

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Dagmar:

metalac: It's pretty much one for the Magic 8-Ball at this point

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Dagmar:

I think they're trying to undo the new bugs that 0.19-fixes introduced. ;)

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smokey:

0.6.2 the newest?

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metalac:

smokey: maybe for ivtv not mythtv

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metalac:

oh whoops

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smokey:

yeah

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metalac:

i guess i joined in the middle of conversation :)

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archpollux:

hi all

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archpollux:

how can i mute sound in mythtv?

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LoneShadow:

physically or using software ?

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LoneShadow:

never mind, I dont knwo :D

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LoneShadow:

alsamixer ?

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LoneShadow:

hmm, there is alsaunmute, but no alsamute :D

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archpollux:

what about if i only wanna mute the tv sound?

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LoneShadow:

dont know, dont have a mythtv yet

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autojack:

I'm trying to get a modeline for my Sony HDTV working. I've found two possible ones in mailing list posts, but neither seems to work. the best I can get is a slightly jittery image with a purple tint. anyone have any suggestions for further tweaking this?

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autojack:

I'm so close!

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autojack:

(now I appear to have regressed to no image at all :( )

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Anduin:

archpollux: look at keys.txt (| or F9), course there is always the pause button

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archpollux:

thanks

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archpollux:

yes, but i don't want to pause

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linagee:

it's friday. geez. they're supposed to have GOOD shows.

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linagee:

wtf is wrong with sci-fi channel

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linagee:

"let's show stargate sg-1 reruns! brilliant!"

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autojack:

oh nice I got it working

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autojack:

bit too much overscan tho...

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** linagee was looking forward to a new episode of dr. who **

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Anduin:

linagee: The season is over isn't it?

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ru:

Anyone here have experience in lirc transmitters?

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ru:

I cant for the life of me get mine to work

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Varanger:

Has anyone used Streamzap remote control and receiver?

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Juski:

morning all

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der_oschni:

guten morgen allerseits

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Juski:

heh. I think you want #mythtv-de ;-)

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gardengnome:

Juski: no, he just doesn't want /amsg ;)

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der_oschni:

sorry, i forgot.

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der_oschni:

*goes in the edge of channel*

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Juski:

?

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** Juski is still dizzy from yesterday :-P **

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der_oschni:

me too

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bluey-:

anyone got a good xorg.conf for a nvidia card and tweaked pal output?

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steve_pd:

Hiya, Has anyone used/heard of getstream it's a tool that can take a whole dvb transport and stream it or parts of it.

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steve_pd:

I'm just about to go out but.. i'm thinking of trying to get it to work with the ip network recorder and record multiple channels at once from one multiplex

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Juski:

steve_pd: what does that have to do with mythtv?

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steve_pd:

Juski: Getting mythtv to record multuple channels from one multiplex at once..

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Juski:

steve_pd: there's already something in SVN somewhere for that I think

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steve_pd:

Juski: I've seen talk of it but nothing actually working yet so I figured this would be a nice filler

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gardengnome:

Juski: it's not in SVN, but there's a patch in trac

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** gardengnome hates mornings. **

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Juski:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1772

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cns:

hey, just done something really stupid hope someone can help, i just trashed my xf86config files accidently, is there anywhere i can grab a default set, i'm using knoppmyth

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cns:

(short of reinstall)

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steve_pd:

(just to note, that comment by a steve at the bottom of that trac ticket isn't me)

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Juski:

steve_pd: I never managed to get dvbstream working back in the day when I was testing my hardware before installing myth

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Juski:

(junk code, IIRC)

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steve_pd:

getstream seems pretty up to date looking at the website: http://www.not-mediaways.net/home/flo/projects/streaming/

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gardengnome:

cns: there should be an example file in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.nvidia or something.

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steve_pd:

I'll give it a go tonight or tomorrow anyway – since I'm in no position to help on the coding for native mythtv support – I suppose I could try and bribe Aaron to work on it more....

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cns:

gardengnome: I deleted /etc/X11/XF86Config* accidently

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gardengnome:

cns: ugh. maybe there's on in /usr/share/docs/*/examples.

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gardengnome:

cns: use locate.

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cns:

gardengnome: nope never mind, I'll reinstall, I'm a few versions behind anyway.. waits for cd image to download.. :(

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gardengnome:

cns: have fun ;)

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Hoxzer:

;) what series after prison break, 4400 and lost season 1 & 2?

[11:14:33]

Juski:

none of the above?

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Hoxzer:

Juski: yeah, I have already seen them

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Dagmar:

Damn users

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Juski:

Dagmar: amen

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Dagmar:

I just had a new dropline user asking for help with his PAM installation because he said he was missing access.conf

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Dagmar:

Turns out he wasn't missing anything, and that everything was working entirely as expected.

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Dagmar:

Too many bong hits, I think.

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gardengnome:

hehe

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Jelte:

Hi there. Has anyone ever seen the frontend stopping a playback ("you have finished watch xxxx"), when the recording is not finished yet? It happens invariably and the backend logs only: "Write Block zerocnt"

[12:31:19]

Jelte:

sorry it logs: "WriteBlock zerocnt timeout"

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GreyFoxx:

Any XBox+Linux users around ?

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Juski:

me

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gardengnome:

http://www.thehunter.ws/taxonomy/term/34 – looks like thehunter.ws doesn't do mythtv packages anymore

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: What resolution are you running X at ?

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Juski:

800x600

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GreyFoxx:

Do you have Overscan turned all the way up to look as much like a TV signal as possible? Or shrunk down to "fit" in the visible portion of the screen ?

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Juski:

I just used the 'focus' program to do some black magic with the tv encoder

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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Juski:

then I just adjusted the mythtv gui. pretty much fits perfectly

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GreyFoxx:

but you are happy with the size of the image on the screen then? No black borders

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GreyFoxx:

gotcha

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GreyFoxx:

Any chance you can send me the output of "xvidtune -show" and most importantly (hopefully it's installed) "nvtv -P" ?

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GreyFoxx:

I'm playing with some register sets on the encoder on the msntv to support pal

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Juski:

nvtv? don't think that's installed at all

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GreyFoxx:

damn

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gardengnome:

apt-get install nvtv?

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Juski:

hang on.. booting it up now

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Juski:

this may take some time

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GreyFoxx:

those two commands would tell me 99% of what I would need to add 800x600 pal support.

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GreyFoxx:

I'm gonna try and get people using xbox;s on various resolutions to send me register dumps hehe. save me weeks of experimentation :)

[12:58:43]

** GreyFoxx should also look for that focus app **

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Juski:

ahh seems I'm running X @ 640x480

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GreyFoxx:

That's cool too

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GreyFoxx:

heh your IRC client is transmitting your internal IP so I can't connect

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

www.juski.co.uk/greyfoxx ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

thanks :)

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GreyFoxx:

Ok, so focus is the app ? Does that come with a xbox specific distro ?

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Juski:

"640x480" 25.20 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync

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** GreyFoxx will hunt down the source too **

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Juski:

doesn't come with xebian but gentoox I think

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GreyFoxx:

k

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Juski:

gimme a sec & I'll install nvtv

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GreyFoxx:

Thanks :)

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newevmsuser:

.exe

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: "800x600" 40.00 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync

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Juski:

and GreyFoxx: http://pastebin.ca/70562

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GreyFoxx:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm it didn't output anmything about the i2c devices/tvencoder? strange

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Juski:

nah that's why the focus app is needed

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GreyFoxx:

weird :)

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GreyFoxx:

does focus have a "dump" option ? to output all of the register vales?

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GreyFoxx:

vales

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Juski:

dunno

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** Juski boots up the shitebox again **

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GreyFoxx:

hehe soory :)

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Juski:

nothing better to do right now

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Juski:

nah no help options

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Juski:

but I did find this:

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Juski:

http://pastebin.ca/70570

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GreyFoxx:

I think thereis also a "xbvset" app

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GreyFoxx:

which can be used to configure the video encoder, itmight have some sortof output

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GreyFoxx:

it might also just be called xbv

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GreyFoxx:

<<-- reading the gentoox faq heh

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Juski:

http://pastebin.ca/70571

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GreyFoxx:

That lookslike it should be perfect. For some reason all of the registers it returns are 1 hehe which can';t be right

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GreyFoxx:

IS X started with TV currently function on the xbox ?

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** GreyFoxx should borrow one from someone for a couple days **

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Juski:

yeh it just starts up in tv mode

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GreyFoxx:

wacky

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Juski:

all I use the focus app is to kick overscan in

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Juski:

oooyay.. finally got round to fixing my sennheisers

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jieryn:

hello :) i'm trying to record a program but nothing is showing up in my scheduled recordings

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jieryn:

i use the program finder to select a program, change the recording preference to 'record this showing only' then 'save preferences'

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jieryn:

when i ESC back out to my scheduled recordings, nothing is displayed

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jieryn:

any ideas?

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Cyberai:

does anyone have a really good lircrc file for the grey hauppauge remote they would be willing to share?

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Cyberai:

im having a heck of a time finding one, I found one months ago on the net but now I can't seem to find it again. I feel very silly.

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gardengnome:

maybe wilsonet.com?

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Cyberai:

good idea, thanks

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Cyberai:

ok, here is the problem I am up against, I have a good .lircrc file apparently, for my grey hauppagbut I am tyring to program a button to = the x key in mythtv, so I can change to the channel I have selected in the guide. I have set this up several times, and it just doesn't work. Nothing happens.. Clues?

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onetwo:

cyberai: irw, then press the key, then see if it matches your lircr including the case

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onetwo:

lircrc

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Cyberai:

ok, one sec

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Cyberai:

ok, I have it programmed to = "Green" and irw gets me this – "00000000000017ae 00 Green Hauppauge_350"

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Cyberai:

the other entries in the lircrc only indicate "red" " blue" etc

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onetwo:

and what is "Green" in your mythtv?

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Cyberai:

it used to be set for time stretch, but I commented it out

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onetwo:

so in lircr where button = Green, config = x, repeat = 3

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onetwo:

lircrc

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onetwo:

then either restart x or best of all reboot to be sure before trying.

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onetwo:

I don't know so I'd reboot

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Cyberai:

I have the entry like this...

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Cyberai:

begin

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Cyberai:

prog = mythtv

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Cyberai:

button = Green

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Cyberai:

repeat = 3

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Cyberai:

config = X

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Cyberai:

end

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Cyberai:

because all the other entries that represents letters are in caps

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Cyberai:

I'll try a reboot

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Cyberai:

brb

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Cyberai:

hey Juski, you much good with lircrc and the grey hauppage remote?

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nero:

random question- what is the term for those little info tags that pop up when your roll over a UI element? I am drawing a total blank.

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Cyberai:

metadata

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nero:

nah.. not metadata.. "tooltip" was what I was looking for.. found it..

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nero:

:)

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davey:

hey hey

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davey:

any hd tv users here?

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smokey:

anyone use a dvb card?

[17:38:06]

kayelem:

smokey, yup. Hauppauge Nova-T DVB-T card, in the UK.

[17:39:26]

kayelem:

Two of them, in fact.

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kayelem:

"Just Worked" so not sure how much help I'm likely to be.

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Cyberai:

anyone much good with lircrc and the grey hauppage remote?

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xris:

I have one installed, but there's no lnb on my dish anymore

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kayelem:

Cyberai, sorry, my cards came with the silver one.

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Cyberai:

has anyone setg up a button to switch to the channel you have selected when in the guide (x on the kewyboard)?

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kayelem:

Cyberai, regardless of remote, that's just a mapping in the ~/.lircrc, I think.

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Cyberai:

yeah, ive been trying to get it to work for two days

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Cyberai:

something isnt right

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Cyberai:

wait, i wonder if its the aliases in ~/.myth

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Cyberai:

hmmm

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Cyberai:

brb

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libolt:

I seem to be having a problem where mythtranscode is not adhering to the transcode profiles I have setup. I've got my medium profile set to 6000 for the bitrate for divx/xvid and yet most of the transcodings are in the 300–400 meg range with poor quality

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libolt:

even thought he transcoding profile for the show is set to medium

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smokey:

Cyb-away, look in setup, there is an option to change the channel from the guide rather than selecting it to record

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Cyb-away:

seriously?

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Cyb-away:

where?

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Cyb-away:

I can't find it

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Aid`:

i have a general question. Some torrents of shows are in a rmvb extension. Those files tend to be 1/3 or so the size of an XVID encoding, and the quality isn't that bad. What do they do to it to get it so small?

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Cyb-away:

they squish it

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Aid`:

how so

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Cyb-away:

seven peruvian fat ladies sit on it in sequence

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Aid`:

;), but if you dont know dont confuse me

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Cyb-away:

clear your mind my young padwan, trust your feelings

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Juski:

Aid`: non-copyrighted videos can be compressed to very small sizes these days :-P

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Cyb-away:

especially with the spfl method

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Juski:

wtf is spfl ?

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libolt:

any hints on what can cause the video quality to degrade rather badly going from mpeg-2 to mpeg-4 with mythtranscode? Even if I set the bitrate to 8000 and the quality settings to max

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Cyb-away:

Juski, see my above comment

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Juski:

superfragalistic encoding? ahhh

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Juski:

wooohoo.. now got 3 fully working lirc serial receivers... oops make that four

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Zider:

Juski: wooo :D and I haven't soldered mine up yet..

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Zider:

Juski: the components has different pinouts than the ones on lircs homepage

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Juski:

yeh so do mine

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Juski:

mine are SMD

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Zider:

SMD?

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Juski:

surface mount devices

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

mine aren't.. but since the pinouts differ from the site, I had to figure out another way to mount them.. and I just HOPE tjey work the same ;)

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Juski:

always compare datasheets

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Zider:

well, it's the same name as on the page.. 78L05 voltage regulator and IRM-8601M (IIRC) IR IC

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Juski:

all I need now is to find some nice little boxes to house them in

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Juski:

and then.. get em on Ebay

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Zider:

heh.. I'm mounting it in the pc-case front

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xris:

nice. mplayer -identify is broken.

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Zider:

what does it do?

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xris:

cd

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Zider:

mkay

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Zider:

weird option to play a cd :P

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Juski:

I use mplayer -indemnify to protect me from litigation for using libdvdcss :-P

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bilbravo:

hi all

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bilbravo:

i have a problem with mythbackend running on startup

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bilbravo:

anyone got a minute to help me trouble shoot?

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Juski:

you mean anyone got a minute to look at your log/console output? sure

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Juski:

pastebin it

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Bio_Hazard:

Alright, I have a simple question: I have a mythtv backend I built with KnoppMyth and I have a Gentoo box I want to use as a frontend. What do I install? I don't want a backend, I don't have any tuners, I don't care abour LIRC. I just want to be able to watch TV and set up recordings from the Gentoo box. MythTV won't take over my machine will it?

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Bio_Hazard:

I noticed the ebuild has some USE flags for frontendonly and backendonly, are these what I'm looking for?

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Juski:

Bio_Hazard: for just a frontend, put frontendonly in your use flags.. and make sure you don't emerge qt4 by mistake – seen a few reports of gentoo doing that recently

[18:52:26]

Bio_Hazard:

It wants to install x11-libs/qt-3.3.6-r1

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smokey:

when i try and rip a dvd i get a "myth cannot connect to your transcoding daemon. something must have gone really wrong"

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Juski:

smokey: either mtd isn't running (and it needs to be), or you've got an MPAA-sponsored linux distro :-P

[18:53:56]

smokey:

i'm on fc4

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Juski:

is mtd running?

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Anduin:

smokey: Hit a number key when you see that message

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Bio_Hazard:

Will qt-3.3.6-r1 work?

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Juski:

Bio_Hazard: yup

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smokey:

Juski, yeah, i was being dumb.. mtd wasnt running.. for some reason i thought myth started the daemon on startup

[18:56:43]

smokey:

thanks

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Juski:

and watch out for the MPAA sanctioned linux distros ;-)

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smokey:

Juski, which distro's are those? what is mpaa sanctioned?

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Juski:

motion picture ass. of america

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Juski:

</tongue in cheek>

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smokey:

what, is it written into the kernel not to allow you to rip css protected discs or something?

[18:58:34]

Juski:

I was joking

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Juski:

never mind

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smokey:

oh

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smokey:

i wouldnt put it past big business to come up with something like that

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Bio_Hazard:

(hence the ";-)")

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gardengnome:

smokey: i doubt the mpaa would release something GPL compatible

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Juski:

actually it's the other way around. some linux distros come with licenced tools

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smokey:

gardengnome, if it protected their product from being ripped off, and them losing millions.. anything is possible

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gardengnome:

heh

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Bio_Hazard:

So I should expect MythTV to take a while to compile?

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Hoxzer_:

Yeah ...

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Hoxzer_:

Compile normally takes much time

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Bio_Hazard:

Not as long as OpenOffice though ;)

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Juski:

why the hell would anyone wanna compile openoffice ?

[19:02:13]

Bio_Hazard:

Because I didn't know there was an openoffice-bin ebuild :p

[19:02:31]

Hoxzer_:

WHere Am I heading

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Juski:

a 733 mobile celery cpu can compile everything needed for mythtv in just under 11 hours.

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smokey:

which is gay if you ask me.. i own my dvd's.. and if i want a digital copy on my pc.. i should be allowed to do that and not have to jump through hoops in order to do it

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Bio_Hazard:

You would think so wouldn't you.

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Juski:

yeah but smokey you don't own any senators :-P

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Bio_Hazard:

Isin't it like you only buy permission to watch the DVD or something?

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smokey:

from what i understand, you own the material.. you can make backup's of it if you want.. you just have to jump through a million hoops

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Juski:

or not do it

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Juski:

but wah... but nothing ;-)

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Bio_Hazard:

Well since I have a 2.6 P4 I should expect about 4–5 hours then. Alrighty, here I go.

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Juski:

nah – 11 hours was for X & everything (no gnome or office etc though)

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Juski:

just what a frontend _needs_

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Bio_Hazard:

Ah. Well then 45 minutes then ;)

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Bio_Hazard:

Mythtv doesn't come with all those plugins like mythmusic and mythvideo right?

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Juski:

right

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Juski:

IIRC you'll have to unmask stuff like mythmusic & mythvideo

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Bio_Hazard:

Good, because I have players for that. It bugs me to no end when software is bloated with crap I don't want.

[19:08:56]

Juski:

welcome to linux

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Bio_Hazard:

Anything special I need to tell the backend so I can connect to it with my Gentoo box?

[19:10:26]

Juski:

make sure the mysql server isn't bound to localhost

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Juski:

that's about it

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Bio_Hazard:

How do I check that?

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Juski:

also the skip-networking bit in /etc/my.cnf

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Bio_Hazard:

Inspect the mysql.users table?

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Juski:

oh yeh prolly that too

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Bio_Hazard:

I suppose I should put the backend on a static IP too.

[19:11:33]

Juski:

all covered in the mythtv docs

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Juski:

beats me why folks use DHCP on tiny networks

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Bio_Hazard:

Mine isin't a tiny network.

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Juski:

at least without static addresses anyway

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Bio_Hazard:

I have 26 computers in my house.

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Juski:

so?

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Juski:

26 isn't that hard to administer

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Bio_Hazard:

When they are all various OSes it is (at least for me)

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Bio_Hazard:

I have Linux of many flavors, Windows and MacOS 7-X.

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Juski:

I dunno if DHCP had even been invented when I 1st experienced unix

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Juski:

we had hundreds of unix boxen, massive host tables

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gardengnome:

dhcp is built upon bootp which was created around 1985. in 1993, the dhcp standard was formed

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gardengnome:

s/standard/RFC/ ;)

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Bio_Hazard:

Alrighty, so now I'm trying to figure out how so switch this thing to static IP.

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Bio_Hazard:

I'm not too familiar with this version of debian.

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gardengnome:

/etc/network/interfaces maybe.

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smokey:

does anyone use mythdvd to rip dvd's? i am trying it, and it just plays the movie, and there is nothing going into the directory i specied to rip it to in setup? is this normal?

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Juski:

dvd's what?

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** Juski shoots down the rogue apostrophe **

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smokey:

the movie on the dvd

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Juski:

are you sure you're using the _rip_ option?

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smokey:

yeah, import dvd under optical disc menu

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smokey:

then it gives me the menu to select quality, sound, etc.. then it starts playing

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smokey:

but nothing in the rip directory i specified

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Juski:

weird

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smokey:

should it be showing up while it playing? or does the movie have to play through, then it rips it or something?

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Juski:

I think it should just get straight down to it

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Juski:

grrr damn umbongo autoplay everything shite

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smokey:

do i need to start mtd with any special arguments? cause i am just starting it in an X startup script right before the frontend

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Anduin:

smokey: Which rip type are you doing?

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smokey:

quality? perfect is selected

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smokey:

xvid

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Anduin:

smokey: Perfect doesn't use the rip dir (no xvid involved) it just copies .vobs (no transcode/re-encoding done).

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smokey:

where does it rip the video to?

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Juski:

the default videos location I think

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Juski:

i.e. where your mythvideo files live

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Anduin:

^ there

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smokey:

what if i selected iso? will that just create an iso image of the disc in my specified rip directory?

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Anduin:

smokey: No, creates the .iso in your video dir as well.

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smokey:

what do i select to get a xvid file?

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Anduin:

smokey: The rip dir is used when transcoding is done.

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Anduin:

smokey: You'd select one of the quality settings that you've yet to mention.

[19:34:42]

smokey:

so like.. excellent will make a xvid file? (like a .avi) of the movie?

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Anduin:

smokey: Try it.

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Bio_Hazard:

Lets see, SELECT user,host FROM mysql.user WHERE user='mythtv'; returned mythtv and localhost. Is that bad?

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Anduin:

Bio_Hazard: Only if you are connecting from another machine.

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Bio_Hazard:

Like using a frontend?

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Anduin:

Bio_Hazard: A remote one

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Aid`:

I've searched the net and i just must nto be entering the correct search key words. but i would like to use mencoder to convert from a file to rmvb format, how would i do this?

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bluey-:

can anyone tell me how to enable eit over sql?

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Bio_Hazard:

so how do I fix it? UPDATE mysql.users SET host='%' WHERE user='mythtv';?

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Anduin:

Bio_Hazard: That would do it.

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Anduin:

Bio_Hazard: This is in the guide (or in one of them)

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Bio_Hazard:

But by username on this machine isin't mythtv.

[19:39:00]

Bio_Hazard:

There is a guide?

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Anduin:

Bio_Hazard: The user name is the one to connect to the DB, not your login name (which you may have changed, but probably didn't)

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Bio_Hazard:

so the mythfrontend fires up mysql with username mythtv then?

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Bio_Hazard:

Hardcoded?

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Anduin:

Bio_Hazard: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

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Anduin:

Bio_Hazard: No, it gets it from ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt (among other places)

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black_Nightmare:

hey

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Bio_Hazard:

Okay, now it's talking about the backend right?

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black_Nightmare:

just curious but any of you have any comment on video capture card(s) you've used?

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Anduin:

Bio_Hazard: Huh?

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Bio_Hazard:

When that howto is talking about doing mysql stuff, I'm supposed to do it on the backend.

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Bio_Hazard:

I don't create a mythconverg database on my local mysql db right?

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Anduin:

Bio_Hazard: You are supposed to do it to the SQL server.

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Anduin:

Bio_Hazard: Yes, one SQL server, where ever that is, do it there.

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Bio_Hazard:

There is already a mythconverg db on the backend's sql server.

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Anduin:

Bio_Hazard: Then that would be the place.

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Bio_Hazard:

black_Nightmare: My PVR 250 and 150 work great with KnoppMyth.

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Anduin:

black_Nightmare: The x50s are nice.

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black_Nightmare:

hm hazard..did either have hardware capture?

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Bio_Hazard:

black_Nightmare: Both do.

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Bio_Hazard:

black_Nightmare: Wait you mean hardware encoding right?

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Juski:

the pvr xxx cards are nice :-)

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Bio_Hazard:

... but expensive.

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Juski:

and not just for recording porn

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Juski:

you want good quality with low cpu usage, you pay. simple as that

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Juski:

or you get DVB

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black_Nightmare:

yeah encoding..sorry :-S

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black_Nightmare:

*is doing other things too...slow to response*

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black_Nightmare:

juski...not to be dumb but whats DVB?

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Juski:

digital video broadcasting – no encoding required :-)

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black_Nightmare:

hehe

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** Juski is Djing for the laydees in the house while they get ready to go out (cheesy – yak) **

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black_Nightmare:

I was just curious about alternative to the aiw cards anyhow

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black_Nightmare:

(not going run mythtv but I'm asking in sorta the same question fields tho no?)

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Juski:

the alternative to ATI AiW cards is.... CARDS WHICH WORK IN LINUX

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black_Nightmare:

lolol

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gardengnome:

not gonna run mythtv? you're in the wrong channel then :)

[20:01:21]

Juski:

black_Nightmare: I'm not kidding

[20:01:30]

black_Nightmare:

garden..then why do mythtv boxes have these cards? ;)

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Juski:

no working mythtv system has an AiW card inside

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dcmwai:

Hello all

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dcmwai:

anyone can tell me about the new upnp support on mythtv is a Renderer or a media server?

[20:02:45]

eiggirC:

Hey all – my sql fu is weak. I want to change a line in the videosource table directly (to get a VCR line-in working). can someone give me a hint on the SQL to do this?

[20:03:01]

eiggirC:

I need to set xmltvgrabber to "NULL"

[20:03:11]

eiggirC:

do I remove the record then add a new one?

[20:04:36]

Anduin:

eiggirC: If you have a row, just use UPDATE

[20:05:39]

Anduin:

eiggirC: and they made things like myphpadmin for people who are bad at SQL

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gardengnome:

phpmyadmin ;)

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eiggirC:

Anduin: thank you :)

[20:08:05]

Bio_Hazard:

eiggirC: Just make sure you don't UPDATE more that the rows you need to. Remember to use WHERE and LIMIT.

[20:08:08]

black_Nightmare:

hm..bio_hazard you had any comment on the hauppauge remotes that comes with their pvr card?

[20:08:23]

Bio_Hazard:

Both work great in KnoppMyth.

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Juski:

jees man this poxy DJ mp3 player is taking 80% CPU

[20:08:48]

Juski:

I need to play with a linuxy one

[20:08:50]

Bio_Hazard:

The buttons are configured kinda weird wby default so a bit of lircd'ing was needed.

[20:09:16]

Bio_Hazard:

(on the 150 remote, the 250 is fine)

[20:09:35]

Bio_Hazard:

I still have yet to get the IRBlaster to work, but I also haven't tried.

[20:09:57]

Bio_Hazard:

I want to get it to turn on and off the TV when you press power :).

[20:10:10]

black_Nightmare:

which of....

[20:10:24]

black_Nightmare:

I still wish the average remote would really simplify up quickly

[20:10:40]

black_Nightmare:

they're way too complicated (even when not universal) these days..compared to the few old ones I got

[20:10:57]

Bio_Hazard:

As long as you can write a lirc config for it, any remote will work. I just happen to like the PVR's remote.

[20:11:07]

eiggirC:

update videosource where xmltvgrabber="datadirect" to xmltvgrabber="NULL";

[20:11:31]

eiggirC:

not right – the "to" complains

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Bio_Hazard:

UPDATE videosource SET xmltvgrabber='NULL' WHERE xmltvgrabber='datadirect' LIMIT 1;

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Anduin:

eiggirC: update table set blah = blah where blah (and use better conditions)

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black_Nightmare:

bio_hazard..and I still like my old very-basic apple tv/multimedia remote ;)

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black_Nightmare:

it came with the performa series models when you ordered the matched multimedia card options

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Bio_Hazard:

You might want to SELECT * FROM videosource WHERE xmltvgrabber='datadirect' LIMIT 0,1; to see which row it will kill.

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eiggirC:

update videosource set xmltvgrabber="NULL" where xmltvgrabber="datadirect";

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eiggirC:

YAY thank you

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eiggirC:

I know enough sql to be dangerous

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Anduin:

eiggirC: sourceid would have been a better way to select the row to change (and less typing even)

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eiggirC:

true

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** eiggirC hangs about to answer someone else's question **

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black_Nightmare:

hmm the PVR150 maybe doesn't look bad

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black_Nightmare:

how much do they sell for usually?

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Bio_Hazard:

I got mine for $40 but they usually go for around $75 to $100.

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Bio_Hazard:

Make sure you get the non-MCE version.

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Bio_Hazard:

Is it just me or do TV-tuner cards have a short lifetime?

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libolt:

During mythtranscode, no matter what quality setting I pick for my mpeg-2 to mpeg-4 and no matter what bitrate I use, all my transcodes reduce the files from roughly 1.5 gigs to 300–400 megs and of course are very poor quality

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black_Nightmare:

MCE ... is that the weird multimedia version of winxp?

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Bio_Hazard:

I have an AIW 7500 that's about 5 years old and it's gone to crap, and my PVR-250, which is 2 years old, is declining in quality.

[20:17:03]

Bio_Hazard:

Yes.

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Bio_Hazard:

There is a MediaCenter Edition version of the PVR-150 that has an RF remote that doesn't work with LIRC.

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Bio_Hazard:

I think.

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Anduin:

I thought the 150MCE didn't come with a remote.

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Bio_Hazard:

I'm pretty sure that's the difference. There might be another one though.

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Bio_Hazard:

Mine came with a remote and an IRBlaster.

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Bio_Hazard:

Both card-driven.

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black_Nightmare:

bio_hazard...heh funny you actually mentioned that particular one...

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black_Nightmare:

I bought a 7500AIW in sorta oem/retail price (had all materials but no package nor box) some time ago

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libolt:

am I missing something with the transcode profiles? I've set all of them to max bitrate and max quality yet all my shows end up 300–400 megs for an hour of video in poor quality

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black_Nightmare:

used several times (the tv part a lot) but now its kinda been set on shelf for now

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black_Nightmare:

worked nicely with just the 300mhz slot1 cpu tho]

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Bio_Hazard:

Yay MythTV is finally started to compile.

[20:20:09]

Bio_Hazard:

Now that I've fiddled with the backend, I should probably make sure it didn't explode.

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black_Nightmare:

still got the 7500AIW now but.. was wondering about figuring out something with no fan (original first radeon aiw card or... something in pci form)

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Bio_Hazard:

Well, looks like it still works.

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Bio_Hazard:

At least I can still catch Discovery channel and Food network so I'm happy.

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Juski:

I need to dig out my comp/limiter soon I think or my speakers are gonna die

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black_Nightmare:

kinda thought about making an offer on 7500AIW>8500DV trade but wasn't sure about bothering..go figure

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Juski:

ATI+linux = pcccccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Bio_Hazard:

Put that in caps to be more accurate...

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Bio_Hazard:

ATI with anything is crap.

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Bio_Hazard:

It really sucks since I can't get a new thinkpad with an nvidia chip. :(

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Juski:

heh. I once (!) managed to grab some vhs at 320x240 with an older AiW Pro card. for about 2 minutes

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jajaja-:

how can i set myself to have write permissions to everything all the time. right now I can read only

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black_Nightmare:

lol bio_hazard...actually..the rage chipsets had been supported well for a long time

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black_Nightmare:

not sure whats up with the video-in aspect of the aiw card having poor support in some places tho

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Juski:

write here, read now...

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gardengnome:

jajaja-: man chmod

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Juski:

also, man chpwn

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Juski:

(to change the pwnage)

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jajaja-:

is it man chmomd and then what info?

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gardengnome:

jajaja-: yes, it is just 'man chmod'

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Bio_Hazard:

If you make everything writable, you defeat the whole purpose of running a limited user account...

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Bio_Hazard:

Just su and everything becomes writable.

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jajaja-:

i think i messed up in the install so if i do sudo -i it doesnt bring me to root

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jajaja-:

how can i change admin passwd

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black_Nightmare:

reason I asked about a hardware encode card was because I was curious about figuring out using the pc to make either clipped short move clips or to convert dvd into whatevers-needed

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black_Nightmare:

;)

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Bio_Hazard:

Okay, MythTV is installed, now what?

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Bio_Hazard:

I run mythtv-setup and go like usual?

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Bio_Hazard:

Or is there something special?

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Bio_Hazard:

Okay so you obviously don't run mythtv first...

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gardengnome:

it's all in the docs :)

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Bio_Hazard:

So I'm supposed to edit /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt. It doesn't exist.

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Bio_Hazard:

Is it supposed to?

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gardengnome:

who said that?

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Bio_Hazard:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV did.

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black_Nightmare:

there other cards or hauppauge and ati are the only two alone?

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Bio_Hazard:

Okay so now there is a config in ~/.mythtv/ ?

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GreyFoxx:

there is a global file (normally /usr/local/share/mythtv/mysql.txt) which can be overridden by a local ~/.mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

now your particular distro/package might be overriding the global location to /etc/mythtv

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Hoxzer_:

LOl, I just found a song for me http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/displayimage . . . 2&pos=29

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Hoxzer_:

just like dedicated for me

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Hoxzer_:

EVEryoneee has had more sex than meee

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Hoxzer_:

maan, I need to get mp3 version of this

[21:02:20]

gardengnome:

no, you need to get laid

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Hoxzer_:

:D

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Bio_Hazard:

Hmm.

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Bio_Hazard:

It's not working.

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Bio_Hazard:

mythfrontend starts, but I can't do anything.

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Bio_Hazard:

Okay, so I set the backend to have a static IP. I can ping it, it has internet access and everything seems to work.

[21:08:52]

Bio_Hazard:

I made sure user mythtv has mysql access from '%'.

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Bio_Hazard:

I set the IP addresses in mythtv-setup to the server's IP (not 127.0.0.1)

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Hoxzer_:

Everyone Else has had MORe sex than meee

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Bio_Hazard:

I set ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt to the backend's IP.

[21:10:23]

Bio_Hazard:

I restarted the backend and it gives me an error.

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Bio_Hazard:

mythtv@% has all privilages on mythconverg.*.

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Juski:

re

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Bio_Hazard:

Looks like I just needed to reboot the backend.

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Juski:

heheh. I found a use for the tuxbox thingy.. needed to hear XFM

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Bio_Hazard:

Darn, it had 73 days of uptime.

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Juski:

amazing.. fatboy slim can actually mix tonight

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Bio_Hazard:

So all these rebuffering notices I'm getting in the console are normal?

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Juski:

I dunno – I'm always too busy watching the show I've recorded (smoothly) to notice

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Bio_Hazard:

Could someone check for me please?

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Juski:

prebuffer pauses?

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Juski:

normal IMHO. if you get smooth video without any jerks or jumps why worry?

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Bio_Hazard:

Stuff like "2006-06–24 14:41:56.155 rebuffering (23241 32768)"

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Juski:

try searching the users list if you _must_ have an answer. i don't honestly know

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jajaja-:

i am getting error 3 and 12 when i run dmesg in ivtv with ubuntu...can someone give me a hand

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Anduin:

jajaja-: There is more text near that error, google it.

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jajaja-:

okay Anduin

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jajaja-:

damnit! still cant get this to work

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Anduin:

jajaja-: Post the important part of dmesg, I know for a fact there are ubuntu forum posts talking about ivtv.

[22:25:07]

jajaja-:

http://pastebin.ca/70860

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jajaja-:

i cant figure this out for the life of me...i have been at this for days and had it working once and then screwed it all up

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Anduin:

jajaja-: You still haven't put the firmware in the right place?

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jajaja-:

i have put it in every different directory possible

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gardengnome:

ivtvdriver.org even says something about problems with the firmware directory..

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jajaja-:

it says cannot "open"...could it be the permissions i have set?

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Anduin:

jajaja-: open is generic, it just means the request_firmware call failed.

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Anduin:

jajaja-: which kernel are you using again?

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Anduin:

(uname -r)

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jajaja-:

2.6.12

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jajaja-:

and ubuntu beeezy

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Anduin:

jajaja-: And you have that file in /lib/firmware right (I'm mostly sure that is right for you)?

[22:38:06]

jajaja-:

yes I have all the files in there

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Anduin:

jajaja-: and a simple rmmod ivtv; modprobe ivtv always fails like that?

[22:39:20]

jajaja-:

when i run dmesg it shows those errors

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jajaja-:

oh wow i got it to recognize it

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Anduin:

jajaja-: cat /sys/class/firmware/timeout

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jajaja-:

a restart and ur rmmod ivtv worked magic

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jajaja-:

thank you Anduin

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Led-Hed:

where in the myth database can I find the names of a show and the filename?

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Anduin:

Led-Hed: Did you look?

[22:58:01]

Led-Hed:

ya

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Led-Hed:

but cant find filenames

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Anduin:

Led-Hed: Do the file names have any pattern you'd recognize?

[22:59:12]

Led-Hed:

how about you just tell me straight up instead of making me jump through hoops?

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mchou:

lol, there are some testy ppl here

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gardengnome:

Led-Hed: recorded table, basename column.

[22:59:45]

gardengnome:

in 0.19.

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Led-Hed:

gardengnome, thank you

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GreyFoxx:

FYI, if you are searching for specific info, but have no idea what table or column has it, mysqldump + grep is your friend :)

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx, good idea

[23:00:57]

Led-Hed:

thanks

[23:01:13]

Anduin:

Bothering to look is always a good idea.

[23:01:24]

Led-Hed:

I have a 1Tb RAID, and my kids have filled it up!

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scottder:

How many episodes of the OC do they need? :)

[23:02:21]

gardengnome:

Led-Hed: you need auto-expire ;)

[23:02:35]

Led-Hed:

Anduin, You might feel better if you remove whatever crawled up yer ass and died

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mchou:

Led-Hed: dont have so many kids :)

[23:02:47]

Led-Hed:

mchou, too late for that now

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Led-Hed:

mchou, unless you want one of them? ;)

[23:03:24]

Led-Hed:

free shipping

[23:03:31]

mchou:

lol

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voip:

you'd be suprised what people will pay for a small child

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Anduin:

Sure, you'd give away your own flesh but I've got the problem.

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Led-Hed:

gardengnome, it was my understanding that auto expire was enabled by default in 0.19

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mchou:

Led-Hed: aaik it is

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mchou:

afaik*

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Led-Hed:

Anduin, its called sarcasm, and yes you still have a problem!

[23:05:13]

confused:

hi everyone. i'm stumped with a tuner setup problem, can anyone help?

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mchou:

Led-Hed: is it your first born? :)

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Led-Hed:

mchou, actually he's 1/2 way to being out of the house (10yrs Old) you can have the 2yr old, he still has 16 years left before I can boot him!

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mchou:

Led-Hed: my, you're being optimistic

[23:06:42]

Led-Hed:

its called bootcamp!

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Led-Hed:

USAF

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mchou:

these days kids live with their parents much longer than 20yrs

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Led-Hed:

I'm not one of those parents.

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mchou:

Led-Hed: so you say :)

[23:08:36]

Led-Hed:

once they graduate High School, they can go to College, Enlist in the Military, or get a job and move out. No exceptions

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mchou:

lol

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gardengnome:

you fed up with them? ;)

[23:09:00]

mchou:

Led-Hed: you need to learn the facts of life :)

[23:09:23]

mchou:

Led-Hed: it's when they graduate college that's the "problem"

[23:09:26]

Led-Hed:

gardengnome, its easy to get fed up when you have 4 of them. still love them all though

[23:09:51]

Led-Hed:

mchou, I didnt say they could live with me while going to college.

[23:10:02]

Led-Hed:

thats what dorms are for

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gardengnome:

heh

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mchou:

Led-Hed: no, you mis-understand

[23:10:25]

mchou:

Led-Hed: it's when they graduate college that's the "problem"

[23:11:12]

Led-Hed:

oh, at that point they are on their own. I will have moved out of state by then

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

Led-Hed: that's when reality and ideology clash

[23:12:59]

Led-Hed:

I'm as far from idealist as they come.

[23:13:02]

mchou:

Led-Hed: and reality usually wins, as George W. Bush found out

[23:13:32]

Led-Hed:

lol, dont knock him yet, I still think he'll get Bin Ladin

[23:13:47]

mchou:

Led-Hed: dont be ridiculous

[23:14:17]

mchou:

Led-Hed: so what if he gets Bin Laden?? Another dude will replace him

[23:14:22]

Led-Hed:

I think he already has him, locked away somewhere, and he'll release it to the public just before he leaves office

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mchou:

Led-Hed: who, now you're just being a kook

[23:14:56]

mchou:

s/who/wow

[23:15:04]

Led-Hed:

mchou, when Hitler died did the Nazi's fall apart?

[23:15:24]

mchou:

Led-Hed: afaik nazism is still alive in Europe

[23:15:32]

Led-Hed:

not like it was

[23:15:40]

mchou:

Led-Hed: there are plenty of skin-heads

[23:15:52]

gardengnome:

muha

[23:16:08]

gardengnome:

they're usually a bunch of badly educated, possibly unemployed, idiots

[23:16:23]

mchou:

gardengnome: umm, what's your point??

[23:16:31]

gardengnome:

the real problem lies within the smarter neo-fascists

[23:16:42]

Led-Hed:

same goes for all terrorists. with the exception of their leaders

[23:16:47]

gardengnome:

mchou: they're not a real threat. and they probably have no clue what they're talking about.

[23:16:49]

mchou:

gardengnome: well, I'll grant you that

[23:17:22]

mchou:

Led-Hed: man, stop burying your head in the sand......

[23:17:25]

Led-Hed:

thats why the groups fall apart when the leader is taken out.

[23:18:06]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, they fall appart into several smaller groups with several leaders

[23:18:07]

mchou:

Led-Hed: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5506353

[23:18:13]

GreyFoxx:

so instead of one target/enemy you now have many

[23:18:31]

Led-Hed:

funny how Bin Ladin hasn't straped a bomb to his chest and blown up any buildings. (Thats for the stupid ones)

[23:18:51]

mchou:

Led-Hed: tell me we're making friends and influencing ppl after reading that story

[23:19:11]

Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx, but at that point they are less organized and more likely to make mistakes which makes it easier for us to track and control

[23:19:12]

gardengnome:

some who graduated from my school in 2005 is a member of the NPD, the 'national democratic party of germany'. he graduadated with a score of 1,0 and has already been awarded 2 prizes at the university. we need to pay attention to people like him, not to shaven proletarians..

[23:19:41]

gardengnome:

-spelling mistakes. it's late for me ;)

[23:22:42]

Led-Hed:

mchou, its war, civilians are going to die, knowone wants it to happen but when the enemy can be anyone its tuff.

[23:23:15]

mchou:

Led-Hed: lol, you compeletely missed the point of that article

[23:23:53]

mchou:

Led-Hed: it's a tragedy for more than just the "other" side.....

[23:24:02]

Led-Hed:

the article is all ove the place. which topic did you want me to respond to, dead civilian, the US troop that shot him, the drugs ?

[23:24:54]

mchou:

Led-Hed: Another soldier in the 256th, who didn't want to be identified for fear of retaliation from command, says he is still trying to cope with killing noncombatants.

[23:24:55]

mchou:

"It's a real hard situation to face. You know, sometimes you'll be in a firefight with two people and there's hundreds of people around them, which happened to myself and Sgt. Romero. ? There's times when I felt I couldn't take being involved in one more innocent civilian being killed. You know, it tears you up inside every time it happens. And I still don't deal with it. You know I've dreamed of being in the military since I was a

[23:25:16]

mchou:

honestly, I'm ashamed of everything that went on over there."

[23:25:37]

Led-Hed:

I'm not

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Led-Hed:

I'm proud, and so are most of the troops that are there

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gardengnome:

proud of what?

[23:26:40]

gardengnome:

proud of bringing peace to the people?

[23:26:47]

Led-Hed:

Sadam is out of power is that good or bad? The country is a Democracy now, is that good or bad?

[23:27:06]

gardengnome:

Led-Hed: the US intervened.

[23:27:13]

gardengnome:

the US used to support saddam.

[23:27:14]

Led-Hed:

Regardless of the motive behind it, Iraq is being liberated which is a good thing

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mchou:

Led-Hed: Dont be stupid. I didn't ask whether you were proud of the troops. I asked if US was making friends and influencing ppl (in a POSITIVE direction)

[23:27:51]

mchou:

Led-Hed: Eyewitness Khalid Eider, 27, watched from his shop as soldiers left Salihee behind, slumped behind the wheel of his car. He says he hated the Americans then, "Not just for that day, but for what they are doing daily."

[23:27:51]

mchou:

"We welcomed them, because we thought they would build our country," Eider said. "They have not built, but they have harmed us. They're proving daily that they're occupiers. Their objective is to get rid of us. They do not want to bring democracy in the wake of the dictator Saddam. I hope that Saddam and his entire dictatorship returns. He at least kills people far from our view."

[23:28:07]

gardengnome:

the US should just leave other countries alone, it's none of their business. they probably wanted to secure their oil supply or something, and they made up silly excuses for invading iraq.

[23:28:14]

Led-Hed:

I dont care if we are making friends, we are doing the right thing, it doesnt always feel good but sometimes it needs to be done

[23:28:25]

mchou:

Led-Hed: lol

[23:28:45]

gardengnome:

doing the right thing?

[23:28:48]

mchou:

Led-Hed: then Bin Laden shall be the least of our concerns

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** kayelem peers in and wonders where the nice geeky conversation went... **

[23:29:03]

netmask:

hello! I'm thinking about installing mythtv, but I see on the wiki that it's not recommended to record on reiserf, but I could not find anything that tells me "why"... any tips?

[23:29:05]

confused:

led-hed, maybe it's good for Iraq, maybe it's not. but it's bad for U.S. If Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld hadn't lied to congress and the american people, we wouldn't have invaded Iraq.

[23:29:10]

gardengnome:

getting mixed up with stuff that is not yours?

[23:29:14]

NightMonkey:

The Green Zone is a democracy now. The rest of the country is in anarchy.

[23:29:20]

mchou:

Led-Hed: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

[23:29:29]

gardengnome:

netmask: you can prolly find hints on www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/

[23:29:32]

Led-Hed:

mchou, not everyone living in a warzone is goning to like the people ocuping

[23:30:01]

kayelem:

netmask, I'd guess at disk I/O performance; if i hazard a guess. If you want a journalled high-performance reliable fs, XFS is the one.

[23:30:04]

Led-Hed:

look at japan? Look at Germany

[23:30:12]

gardengnome:

still wondering when the US is gonna invade germany. their behaviour is an offense to all other countries.

[23:30:24]

kayelem:

kayelem, not that I'm biased or anything (looks at SGI machines lying around here...)

[23:30:29]

netmask:

gardengnome: ok, I'm search there, thanks

[23:30:40]

Led-Hed:

both are very successful countries now, but the people living there when we bombed the shit out of them probably hated us

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kayelem:

netmask, even. damn. talking to myself...

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** kayelem wonders if she's going mad... **

[23:31:06]

netmask:

kayelem: I used to have xfs, but then I rebuild with reiserfs because of flexbility when using lvm...

[23:31:25]

kayelem:

netmask, I thought xfs had xfs_growfs..?

[23:31:30]

gardengnome:

Led-Hed: the US decided to build up germany mostly for political reasons, think: cold war. iirc, some guy called morgentau decided that germany should be grounded...

[23:31:47]

netmask:

kayelem: yeah, but it doesn't shrink :)

[23:32:08]

Led-Hed:

gardengnome, we will rebuild Iraq, but it doesnt make sence to do it while we are at war

[23:32:12]

kayelem:

netmask, true... but is that really an issue? I'm only ever likely to make 'em bigger.

[23:32:34]

gardengnome:

Led-Hed: war won't end.

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Juski:

where did #mythtv-users go?

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confused:

off to war

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NightMonkey:

Now, it is like #wikipedia.

[23:33:04]

kayelem:

netmask, I've avoided reiserfs after several friends had it die spectacularly and trash their data.

[23:33:04]

netmask:

kayelem: well, I'm starting to have second thoughts about it too :)

[23:33:08]

Led-Hed:

My biggest fear is that A democrat gets into office and pulls us out. Then the entire country of Iraq will hate us and the terrorism will worsen

[23:33:26]

gardengnome:

(if the morgenthau plan had succeeded, i would be french now. phew.)

[23:33:30]

NightMonkey:

Led-Hed: Let's stop the war talk, please.

[23:33:47]

NightMonkey:

Led-Hed: (here, I mean)

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gardengnome:

Led-Hed: hehe. that's the problem. you can't get out. :)

[23:33:54]

Led-Hed:

NightMonkey, sure thing

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kayelem:

netmask, I just stick with xfs as I've never had any problem with it, on several machines, over several years. Including power outages taking machines out etc.

[23:34:06]

gardengnome:

NightMonkey: you're right, i'll stfu now :)

[23:34:12]

mchou:

Led-Hed: dont be ridiculous. If Bush didnt steal the election the Iraq war would not have happened in the first place

[23:34:22]

Led-Hed:

OMG

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Juski:

damn xine and its lirc foibles. I followed the textbook procedure an it still doesn't fscking work

[23:34:29]

NightMonkey:

Led-Hed: gardengnome: Thank you. Not against talking about it, just not here.

[23:34:46]

mchou:

Led-Hed: and most likely we'd have Bin Laden by know and not squander resources in Iraq

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** kayelem nods at NightMonkey **

[23:34:48]

Led-Hed:

agreed, sorry wasnt my intent to hijack this channel

[23:34:48]

Juski:

don't feed the war-troll :-P

[23:34:58]

mchou:

s/know/now

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NightMonkey:

mchou: Please.

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kayelem:

I hang out in geeky channels to avoid politics and the bloody W*rld C*p.... ;-)

[23:35:25]

netmask:

kayelem: yes, I have very good experiences with xfs either (specially on database servers), but the shrink issue really bugged me

[23:35:29]

Led-Hed:

mchou, msg me if you want to keep going

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confused:

i came in for some help setting up a tuner, got caught in a warzone

[23:35:44]

mchou:

Led-Hed: I dont keep going with ideologues

[23:35:45]

gardengnome:

NightMonkey: sometimes it's interesting, but this ain't the right place (unfortunately ;))

[23:35:54]

confused:

a stray bullet must have fixed the problem

[23:35:56]

gardengnome:

confused: ask away, we'll stop soon ;)

[23:36:03]

gardengnome:

confused: ah, sounds good.

[23:36:16]

Led-Hed:

mchou, are you refering to me?

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confused:

all set now, deleted * from cardinput and reconfigged.

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kayelem:

netmask, My thoughts – on the rare occasion you might need to shrink the lvm; if you've got space elsewhere you've got the lovely xfsdump/xfsrestore to move stuff about.

[23:36:33]

confused:

the problem arose when i upgrade3d to FC5 and a new ivtv

[23:38:48]

NightMonkey:

I have a question about SVN, which might show my complete ignorance of how revisions are handled. If I want to know what the current revision # of, say, 0.19-fixes branch is, do I take the highest number value shown on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/release-0-19-fixes as the latest revision?

[23:39:23]

netmask:

kayelem: dump would dump only the used space, or the hole fs including empty spaces?

[23:39:34]

NightMonkey:

For instance, the highest number there is 10254. Is that the latest? Or do I need to look elsewhere for that info?

[23:39:38]

NightMonkey:

(in Trac, that is)

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kayelem:

netmask, just the files, preserving everything. I use it to move stuff about; more often than not with both filesystems mounted and xfsdump piped into xfsrestore

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Anduin:

NightMonkey: If you look in the directory right about that it is clear

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netmask:

kayelem: interesting...

[23:41:03]

NightMonkey:

Anduin: You mean "above"?

[23:41:17]

Anduin:

NightMonkey: Yes.

[23:41:29]

NightMonkey:

Anduin: Ah, so that # is the latest and greatest revision. That's what I thought, but I wanted to check.

[23:41:34]

NightMonkey:

Anduin: Thank you.

[23:42:16]

kayelem:

netmask, last used it to transfer a full Linux system from a 30G harddrive to a 60G drive (with same basic partition layout, just bigger ones)

[23:42:59]

NightMonkey:

I saw that Gentoo devs released a new 0.19+patches release, and thought it was weird that the revision number on their patch was a *higher* number (10281) than the revision # in MythTV's SVN (10254).

[23:44:37]

NightMonkey:

Unless they have a time machine plugin to SVN, there is something fishy going on.

[23:45:37]

Anduin:

NightMonkey: Sounds more like a non-fixes branch build.

[23:46:33]

NightMonkey:

Anduin: Ah, from the 0.20 series, perhaps? Yikes.

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kayelem:

netmask, before that used it to move the system from a 4G drive to a 9G one on my Indigo2, avoiding reinstallation of irix... which if you've ever done you'll know how damn long it takes... :)

[23:47:06]

NightMonkey:

Wow, I think you're right.

[23:47:45]

Anduin:

NightMonkey: I don't know how the gentoo ebuilds are managed, but that is a valid SVN head tag.

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voip:

is datadirect / zap2it down often or am i just 'lucky' to be trying to configure a system now

[23:48:00]

Juski:

ughhh. I think I might become vegetarian. just had to remove the giblets from the chicken we're having for lunch tomorrow :-/

[23:48:01]

netmask:

kayelem: I'm starting to plan my fs migration ;)

[23:48:40]

Anduin:

Juski: quitter

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NightMonkey:

Looks like it might be from http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/trunk?rev=10281

[23:48:49]

kayelem:

netmask, heh... IMO one nice thing about xfs is the tools you get to use to admin it. Apart from it never losing my data even on a dying drive...

[23:49:43]

Juski:

Anduin: yeah well – I've saved a woman with a hangover the job in the morning ;-)

[23:49:47]

kayelem:

Juski, now you need to boil up those along with the carcass once you've eaten it and make a *fantastic* chicken soup... :)

[23:50:25]

kayelem:

I get my money's worth out of a chicken...

[23:51:07]

Juski:

heh

[23:51:20]

Juski:

I can remember the last time I made soup.. was about 20 years ago

[23:51:49]

kayelem:

#mythtv-users... where else will you get war, politics, cooking tips and insulting if you dare ask a question that's in a FAQ somewhere, all in one night? ;-)

[23:52:04]

Juski:

I should cook more, but guess what? I spend wayy too much time supporting lamers.. I mean users on a forum

[23:52:14]

kayelem:

heh

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scopeuk:

no me

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scopeuk:

i dotn use the forum ;-)

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scopeuk:

dont post any way

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scopeuk:

maby search

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Juski:

oops did I say supporting? I meant to say ignoring..

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scopeuk:

lol

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