| Friday, June 16th, 2006, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:34] | achew22: | scales: did you write it yourself or get one from the internet? |
| [00:01:54] | achew22: | opello: new news about my lack of sound... /dev/dsp is busy. Do you know what causes that? |
| [00:02:15] | opello: | achew22: lsof | grep dsp ? |
| [00:02:38] | opello: | seems like something is holding it open |
| [00:03:05] | scales: | it was taken from online but i edited it |
| [00:03:33] | achew22: | try the one you got straight from the internet |
| [00:03:37] | achew22: | change it one line at a time |
| [00:04:03] | scales: | hang on |
| [00:04:23] | achew22: | opello: 1st off, what is lsof? and 2nd no results |
| [00:04:39] | opello: | lsof lists open files |
| [00:04:46] | achew22: | hrm.... |
| [00:06:07] | patientfox: | hey is anyone familiar with trying to start a video in mythvideo and having nothing happen... the screen darkens for a sec and it says it's loading, then it just goes back and nothing happens... |
| [00:06:23] | patientfox: | and the player settings are the default out of the box settings... i can get mplayer to work from xterm... any thoughts? |
| [00:06:50] | achew22: | opello: why does it say its busy then? |
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| [00:07:20] | opello: | achew22: no idea |
| [00:09:42] | patientfox: | hmm.. it appears to have been because of the -vo xv command thrown in there. |
| [00:12:00] | butterfly_: | I vote that someone please put in an option to restart mythfrontend to the mythweb :) |
| [00:12:32] | opello: | butterfly_: did you get it restarted? |
| [00:12:37] | butterfly_: | yes |
| [00:12:40] | patientfox: | is there any way to change mythvideo so it uses the older directory based display, instead of showing all the video files in one big group? |
| [00:12:56] | butterfly_: | thank you |
| [00:14:18] | opello: | np |
| [00:14:19] | butterfly_: | my hubby setup mythrename.pl which automatically renames the files to human readable .. that's how we can watch our shows in our bedroom on xbox.. the live tv nuv files are listed below all the other shows that are human readable renamed |
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| [00:14:22] | opello: | if you used what is aid, heh |
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| [00:15:14] | butterfly_: | I tried something similar to what you guys suggested :) |
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| [00:17:23] | butterfly_: | well good night folks, off to feed the muchkins, much thanks for all the help |
| [00:18:06] | butterfly_: | I might bother you guys another time for mythburn :) |
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| [00:24:29] | tank-man: | anyone here got closed caption working ? |
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| [00:27:37] | scottder: | this would be great for a MythTV box: http://aving.net/sp_edition/default.asp?mode= . . . ;c_num=18706 |
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| [00:33:37] | Dagmar: | Damn that thing is nice |
| [00:41:13] | GreyFoxx: | bah |
| [00:41:44] | GreyFoxx: | That sort of thing has been out for a while. A-Tech (I think is their name) hasbeen selling a similar case with lcd for years |
| [00:42:02] | GreyFoxx: | But it's nice to see anything that drives down the price of good cases |
| [00:42:45] | Dagmar: | Zalman makes incredible cooling stuff |
| [00:42:51] | Dagmar: | That case will be cake to keep cool |
| [00:44:23] | GreyFoxx: | Check out the atech cases. The cases are giant heatsinks |
| [00:44:24] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.atechfabrication.com/ |
| [00:44:29] | GreyFoxx: | gorgeous, but costly |
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| [00:49:27] | scales: | when i try and install lirc, it says i do not have the kernel so i cannot compile it. i have tried multiple different methods for installing the kernel. i am running fedora core 5, and would like to download it via yum? |
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| [01:08:27] | scottder: | http://www.atechfabrication.com/products/heatsync_6000.htm |
| [01:08:30] | scottder: | sweet |
| [01:08:37] | scottder: | expensive but sweet |
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| [01:32:10] | dec: | so i believe mythvideo stores a listing of videos/files in a database which needs to be manually updated? is there a way to get this to read its list directly from the filesystem? |
| [01:32:33] | GreyFoxx: | dec: Yes |
| [01:32:43] | GreyFoxx: | You can configure it to "browse" the file system |
| [01:34:05] | dec: | any ideas where that configuration option is? :) |
| [01:34:30] | GreyFoxx: | in the Video Settings setup screens? :) |
| [01:34:42] | GreyFoxx: | Specifically page 2of General setup |
| [01:35:10] | dec: | heh, must've missed it. :) |
| [01:35:12] | dec: | thanks. |
| [01:36:11] | GreyFoxx: | np |
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| [01:36:47] | scales: | when installing lirc, i run make |
| [01:36:52] | scales: | then try make install |
| [01:37:07] | scales: | and i get an error that says no rule to make target install |
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| [01:53:53] | scales: | quick question from a newb |
| [01:54:01] | scales: | how to i recompile fc5? |
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| [02:00:26] | mythvn: | hello, i'm currently using v1.9 and all of recordings are in .mpg format. Is this correct? i thought mythtv recordings are in .nuv format. thanks |
| [02:01:06] | GreyFoxx: | MythLogBot: Recordings from a software framegrabber using mpeg4 or rtjpeg are in nuv format |
| [02:01:20] | GreyFoxx: | anything from a MPEG2 capture card/DVBcard are in .mpg files |
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| [02:01:35] | GreyFoxx: | in previous versions they were still mpeg files but had a .nuv filename |
| [02:02:27] | mythvn: | i tried playing .mpg with vlc player but it's like fast forward. any ideas on why it's doing that? thanks alot |
| [02:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | no idea |
| [02:03:05] | mythvn: | thanks |
| [02:03:35] | GreyFoxx: | any recordings from a mpeg source are written directly to disk and not manipulated |
| [02:03:47] | GreyFoxx: | so either vlc is messed up, or the video source is :) |
| [02:03:53] | mythvn: | i see |
| [02:04:25] | mythvn: | the source plays fine in mythfrontend |
| [02:04:34] | mythvn: | let me google and see what i can find out |
| [02:04:35] | mythvn: | thanks |
| [02:04:41] | GreyFoxx: | then I wouldsuspect a vlc problem |
| [02:05:47] | mythvn: | vlc is able to play other mpg/avi files just fine |
| [02:06:38] | GreyFoxx: | That doesn't stop it from having a problem :) |
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| [02:08:49] | riddlebox: | I have compiled mythtv from source and cannot get mythbackend to start at boot in ubuntu can someone help me? |
| [02:11:24] | mythvn: | GreyFoxx: you're absolutely correct in regard to VLC, currently playing with mplayer and everything is fine. thanks alot |
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| [02:33:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hi guys... Remember the issues I had with my LVM volumes? Well, I re-booted, and everything was normal... So I didn't lose a thing. Strange... |
| [02:39:37] | kormoc: | bad drive? |
| [02:43:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: I dunno... I hope not as they're only about 8 months old... I think I may have had the side open and bumped a few things while the machine was running... So it was probably a 'one-time fluke'... I've had no problems at all except for that one time... |
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| [02:47:02] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, strange, but good luck with it |
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| [02:50:31] | ** J-e-f-f-A ponders what's left to setup... lirc... ir blaster scripts... MythWeb... MythStreamTV... ** | |
| [02:51:32] | patientfox: | anyone know anything about mythfrontend complaing about ... it started when i moved from 3.5.2 to 3.5.3 .. |
| [02:51:49] | patientfox: | eeck sorry, mispost |
| [02:54:32] | Aid`: | how come the video going out of my SVIDEO port is much brighter than my monitor? or how much the picture going through mythtv is brighter compared to regular tv? |
| [02:56:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | Aid' – It could be as simple as the way you've got the brightness/contrast set on each display... |
| [02:57:20] | Dagmar: | They have separate controls for that, and the displays themselves are different |
| [02:57:37] | Dagmar: | Monitors have a vastly different gamma profile from television displays |
| [02:58:18] | Aid`: | well if i want the recorded stuff from mythtv to be darker i can turn the contract down but then if i watch regular tv its tooo dark |
| [02:59:10] | Dagmar: | So configure your displays properly |
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| [02:59:31] | Aid`: | ah there's an X option for all this? |
| [02:59:58] | Dagmar: | It's in the documentation |
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| [03:00:14] | Aid`: | okay ill take a peek |
| [03:01:41] | Aid`: | so Dagmar, what type of mythtv setup do you got? |
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| [03:03:16] | hadees: | are there any suggested xine command options to use in mythvideo |
| [03:03:36] | riddlebox: | can someone help me get mythbackend to start at boot? |
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| [03:03:52] | Aid`: | yeah hadees i use 'xine -f %s' |
| [03:04:01] | Aid`: | then that gives you keyboard input too |
| [03:04:08] | scales: | question about making the lircd.conf file |
| [03:04:32] | scales: | where do i get the "name" and usb id |
| [03:07:13] | hadees: | anyone else use mythvideo to play thing over nfs? it seems to take forever to get into mythvideo. Any clue how to speed it up? |
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| [03:12:07] | scales: | so no one knows how to find the "name" to use for the conf file? |
| [03:12:20] | scales: | in lirc |
| [03:12:29] | kormoc: | name is anything I believe |
| [03:12:34] | kormoc: | it's just used in the lircrc file |
| [03:13:16] | kormoc: | as for usbid, I don't even have one in my lirc.conf file |
| [03:13:29] | scales: | humm |
| [03:13:41] | scales: | ok well where would i put it in the lircrc file? |
| [03:14:26] | kormoc: | actually, my lircrc file doesn't have the name in it at all |
| [03:14:52] | scales: | check your lircd.conf |
| [03:15:27] | kormoc: | it's just set to mceusb |
| [03:15:42] | scales: | ok |
| [03:16:02] | scales: | lets see if a new lircrc and lircd.conf fixed it |
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| [03:24:11] | scales: | ok well things just went to bad, now when i start lircd, and try irw, it does not respond |
| [03:24:14] | scales: | grrrr |
| [03:26:16] | Aid`: | how come Option "NewGammaBrightness" "1.0" doesn't make any effect on my X display? |
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| [03:27:13] | kormoc: | Did you restartx? did you put it in the right area of the x config? did you check to make sure that's the right option? |
| [03:27:34] | Aid`: | well i did something wrong... obvisously or it would work |
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| [03:32:36] | Aid1: | switching between many X servers freezes me up eventually i guess |
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| [03:34:00] | Aid1: | so kormoc you ever encounter this prob? |
| [03:34:12] | kormoc: | not really, no |
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| [03:39:24] | Aid1: | i can't ever find what im looking for in documentation |
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| [03:40:20] | scales: | kormoc, i am following this tutorial, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_Remote_Wonder_II and i am stuck at the part where it says to use the following command: lircd -d /dev/lirc0 /path/to/config.conf |
| [03:40:20] | scales: | and i say that /path/to/config.conf is /etc/lircd.conf, and i get the reply bash: lircd: command not found |
| [03:40:39] | kormoc: | do you have lirc installed? |
| [03:40:54] | scales: | well i thought i did |
| [03:41:03] | kormoc: | well, are you root? |
| [03:41:05] | scales: | yes |
| [03:41:23] | kormoc: | you might want to see if lircd is in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin or /bin or /sbin |
| [03:41:34] | scales: | i can run /sbin/service lircd start |
| [03:41:52] | scales: | and that starts lirc |
| [03:41:57] | kormoc: | So then you just need to find the lircd |
| [03:42:06] | scales: | where should it be |
| [03:42:17] | scales: | it must be in sbin? |
| [03:42:19] | ** kormoc points to where he said to look ** | |
| [03:42:37] | kormoc: | it doesn't have to be anywhere, but those are the normal places |
| [03:43:01] | achew22: | scales: you could #locate lircd |
| [03:43:12] | kormoc: | only if his locate db is upto date |
| [03:43:19] | achew22: | well — thats given |
| [03:43:32] | achew22: | if its not up to date then #find / | grep lircd |
| [03:43:46] | scales: | ok well |
| [03:43:47] | achew22: | kormoc: whats the command to update your locate DB? |
| [03:43:49] | scales: | i run locate |
| [03:43:57] | kormoc: | locate -u or similar |
| [03:44:03] | kormoc: | man locate will show it |
| [03:44:06] | achew22: | thankyou |
| [03:45:58] | Aid1: | so far i've spent 40minutes trying to adjust my brightness on X and im not anywhere closer |
| [03:47:16] | scales: | and i see /dev/lircd, /etc/lircd.conf, /etc/sysconfig/lircd, /usr/sbin/lircd, /var/lock/subsys/lircd |
| [03:47:29] | scales: | (those were the main ones) |
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| [03:49:59] | scales: | ok so it is in the /usr/sbin/ |
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| [03:50:41] | scales: | where should it be so i can run lircd -d /dev/lirc0 /path/to/config.conf |
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| [03:53:43] | scales: | driving you nuts kormoc? |
| [03:54:18] | kormoc: | scales, not really, just doing other things. just change lircd to /usr/sbin/lircd |
| [03:55:25] | scales: | i have lircd in that folder.....how do i change it? |
| [03:57:14] | dev: | its a directory in unix ;/ |
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| [03:57:51] | kormoc: | scales, don't change it just type /usr/sbin/lircd rather then lircd |
| [03:58:03] | scales_: | ok |
| [04:00:26] | scales_: | that seems to run |
| [04:00:29] | scales_: | humm |
| [04:01:38] | scales_: | ok well then i run /sbin/service/lircd start |
| [04:01:42] | scales_: | that begins, |
| [04:01:45] | scales_: | and i try irw |
| [04:01:49] | scales_: | and no luck |
| [04:01:51] | scales_: | man |
| [04:02:09] | scales_: | at least before i could see some kind of response in irw |
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| [04:06:37] | scales_: | well for the record, i think i installed lirc via yum, |
| [04:07:05] | scales_: | but then went and tried to install lirc by downloading it and ran into trouble when i tried to compile it |
| [04:07:17] | scales_: | would it make any sense to uninstall and try again |
| [04:07:18] | scales_: | ? |
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| [04:11:56] | scales_: | ok well screw it for tonight, lirc is a pain in the ass |
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| [04:40:12] | opello: | anyone really good with mysql queries here? |
| [04:41:56] | ** xris points at himself ** | |
| [04:42:26] | ** achew22 points at xris slips and accidentaly pokes himself in the eye ** | |
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| [04:44:30] | opello: | heh |
| [04:45:07] | opello: | well, i had: (select id, search from searches where search != "" order by id desc limit 5) order by id |
| [04:45:09] | huhlig: | question, is there a way to have mythtv-backend run turn a file in the pretty directory into a divx or similer format for transport? |
| [04:45:15] | huhlig: | or to run a script when idle? |
| [04:45:22] | opello: | to get the 5 recent and flip them so they're chronological |
| [04:46:13] | opello: | then i decided i should only have distinct searches, by mysql 4.0.27 didn't like that, so i was wondering if there was a workaround or something |
| [04:46:27] | opello: | peeling off the sort and flipping my display routine did the trick though :) |
| [04:46:37] | achew22: | huhlig run mythtv-setup and change one of your userjobs to do that |
| [04:47:32] | huhlig: | hmm |
| [04:47:33] | huhlig: | ok |
| [04:47:45] | xris: | opello: or sort by "1 – id" |
| [04:47:47] | huhlig: | also, how do I get the web control to work |
| [04:47:53] | huhlig: | its there |
| [04:48:27] | huhlig: | what is the default login/pass |
| [04:48:38] | opello: | xris: but that flips it before the 'limit 5' |
| [04:49:05] | opello: | and if i do () order by id, i have to select the id, which breaks on distinct it seems |
| [04:49:07] | achew22: | huhlig: what did you install from? source or package? |
| [04:49:22] | achew22: | wait... huhlig: whats asking for your password/username? |
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| [04:52:15] | huhlig: | achew22 mythweb |
| [04:53:10] | achew22: | there isn't a default password/username |
| [04:53:13] | achew22: | you did something strange |
| [04:53:26] | achew22: | are you on knoppmyth? |
| [04:53:44] | huhlig: | yes |
| [04:53:56] | achew22: | ahh that changes things |
| [04:54:09] | huhlig: | oh |
| [04:54:20] | huhlig: | well it was knoppmyth |
| [04:54:21] | huhlig: | installed |
| [04:55:47] | achew22: | okay |
| [04:55:57] | achew22: | nevermind it doesn't matter you need to do mythtv-setup |
| [04:56:02] | achew22: | can you upen up a command line? |
| [04:57:16] | huhlig: | ssh yea |
| [04:58:27] | achew22: | okay — i guess |
| [04:58:34] | huhlig: | will ssh not work? |
| [04:58:49] | achew22: | mythtv-setup -display :0 |
| [04:59:43] | huhlig: | cannot connect |
| [04:59:44] | huhlig: | foo |
| [04:59:46] | huhlig: | alright |
| [04:59:48] | huhlig: | one second |
| [04:59:54] | huhlig: | lemmie run upstairs to it |
| [04:59:54] | achew22: | mythtv-setup -display :0.0 |
| [05:00:08] | achew22: | ps aux | grep X |
| [05:00:48] | huhlig: | root 5300 0.1 8.8 61120 57220 ? SL Jun13 3:20 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| [05:01:02] | achew22: | mythtv-setup -display :0.Xauth |
| [05:01:22] | huhlig: | root@MythMaster:~# mythtv-setup -display :0.Xauth |
| [05:01:22] | huhlig: | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| [05:01:23] | huhlig: | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| [05:01:23] | huhlig: | mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server :0.Xauth |
| [05:01:28] | ** huhlig snickers ** | |
| [05:01:37] | ** huhlig moves with his dinner infront of the box ** | |
| [05:01:42] | achew22: | good call |
| [05:01:54] | huhlig: | brb |
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| [05:03:25] | huhlig: | ok |
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| [05:03:38] | achew22: | okay |
| [05:03:41] | achew22: | what were we doing? |
| [05:03:42] | achew22: | ohh yeah |
| [05:04:01] | achew22: | what format do you want? |
| [05:04:38] | huhlig: | what choice do I have |
| [05:04:43] | huhlig: | good Quality and small |
| [05:04:56] | huhlig: | for my laptpo |
| [05:04:58] | huhlig: | laptop |
| [05:05:45] | achew22: | so divx, xvid, asf? |
| [05:07:11] | huhlig: | divx is fine |
| [05:07:18] | ** xris grumbles about project greyhem still being broken in svn ** | |
| [05:07:34] | huhlig: | greyhem? |
| [05:07:58] | xris: | huhlig: theme written by juski |
| [05:08:04] | huhlig: | ahh |
| [05:08:26] | achew22: | greyhem is the grey one |
| [05:08:36] | achew22: | sorry — had to say it |
| [05:08:47] | xris: | hmm.. mythtv seems confused by my two soundcards... |
| [05:08:54] | achew22: | did you work that out xris? |
| [05:09:01] | achew22: | huhlig do you have nuvexport? |
| [05:09:01] | huhlig: | achew22 ok im in setup |
| [05:09:08] | huhlig: | dont need it |
| [05:09:13] | xris: | achew22: no. went back to the sblive card |
| [05:09:19] | xris: | though both are on/active now... |
| [05:09:19] | huhlig: | happauge 250 card |
| [05:09:29] | achew22: | huhlig we need to do some stuff first |
| [05:09:32] | xris: | could theoretically switch between them, but that seems to really confuse some apps |
| [05:09:35] | huhlig: | ok |
| [05:09:54] | achew22: | well — I could make it for oyu but since I'm not using the exact same system there is a chance it wouldn't work |
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| [05:11:35] | huhlig: | achew22, I await your grand intellegence |
| [05:12:05] | achew22: | grand is not the word to describe my intelegence |
| [05:12:13] | achew22: | but we can try anyways |
| [05:12:17] | achew22: | do you have nuvexport? |
| [05:12:33] | achew22: | xris: your a smart guy I'm sure you can fix it |
| [05:13:05] | xris: | achew22: it's called "disable the onboard card" :) |
| [05:13:16] | xris: | but first will just try a reboot. |
| [05:13:17] | xris: | brb |
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| [05:14:10] | achew22: | huhlig: i can only help if you talk |
| [05:14:11] | huhlig: | achew22: I shoudltn need it. I dont use nuv files |
| [05:14:21] | huhlig: | they are mpeg2 |
| [05:14:47] | huhlig: | but yes I do have it |
| [05:14:47] | achew22: | nuvexport isn't really for exporting nuvs — its for exporting your videos not just nuvs |
| [05:15:03] | achew22: | but it will work with nuvs (which is where the name comes from) |
| [05:16:16] | huhlig: | I have nuvexport and -asf, -divx,-dvcd,-dvd, -hdtv, -mp3, -mpeg2cut, -nuvsql, -svcd, -vcd, -xvid |
| [05:16:24] | achew22: | cool |
| [05:16:28] | achew22: | run nuvexport --debug |
| [05:16:43] | SarahEmm: | cl |
| [05:16:45] | SarahEmm: | oops |
| [05:16:46] | huhlig: | tells me not to run as root |
| [05:16:52] | achew22: | so dont.... |
| [05:17:10] | huhlig: | it gives me a list |
| [05:17:17] | huhlig: | of codecs |
| [05:17:24] | achew22: | okay |
| [05:17:31] | huhlig: | a few are "disabled" |
| [05:17:37] | achew22: | pick the format you want your files in ( i think it was divx ) |
| [05:17:44] | huhlig: | one error |
| [05:17:47] | achew22: | then inside that menu pick a show at random |
| [05:17:52] | huhlig: | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'basename' in 'field list' at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/mythtv/recordings.pm line 65. |
| [05:18:06] | achew22: | fine — I'll do it for you |
| [05:18:07] | huhlig: | whats better divx or asf |
| [05:18:23] | huhlig: | what? |
| [05:18:31] | achew22: | do you want your cutlist removed? |
| [05:18:47] | huhlig: | sure |
| [05:18:52] | huhlig: | thats the commercials |
| [05:18:54] | huhlig: | right |
| [05:19:01] | achew22: | unless it has a wrong cutlist |
| [05:19:07] | huhlig: | ok |
| [05:19:07] | achew22: | do you want deinterlacing? |
| [05:19:18] | huhlig: | never figured out what that was |
| [05:19:24] | huhlig: | whats better divx or asf |
| [05:19:38] | huhlig: | for this |
| [05:19:42] | achew22: | I like divx but asf is m$'s format so I don't know how legal it is. I would go with divx |
| [05:19:57] | huhlig: | ahh |
| [05:19:57] | huhlig: | ok |
| [05:20:29] | achew22: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlacing |
| [05:21:09] | huhlig: | its a good thing im assuming |
| [05:21:13] | ** huhlig reads quick ** | |
| [05:21:40] | huhlig: | ahh yes |
| [05:22:12] | huhlig: | ok it gave me a long ass commandline |
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| [05:23:05] | huhlig: | and forked |
| [05:23:28] | achew22: | yay |
| [05:23:29] | achew22: | thats good |
| [05:23:34] | achew22: | take that and copy it to a text file |
| [05:23:40] | achew22: | then paste the contents of that text file to pastebin |
| [05:23:52] | achew22: | i'm going to go get a soda — I should beat you but if not I'll be right back |
| [05:25:04] | huhlig: | ok |
| [05:25:40] | huhlig: | http://pastebin.com/712275 |
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| [05:26:33] | huhlig: | http://pastebin.com/712276 |
| [05:26:50] | achew22: | um... |
| [05:26:53] | huhlig: | second one |
| [05:26:58] | achew22: | there we go |
| [05:28:49] | huhlig: | heh |
| [05:36:15] | achew22: | sorry — got sidetracked |
| [05:36:41] | huhlig: | ok |
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| [05:39:10] | achew22: | okay — does anyone know what the $statements are to get the chanid title and such of a recording in user jobs? |
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| [05:40:09] | achew22: | HA HA found it |
| [05:40:14] | achew22: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Jobs |
| [05:41:24] | huhlig: | heh |
| [05:42:31] | huhlig: | ok |
| [05:43:56] | huhlig: | so... how do I apply that |
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| [05:45:34] | achew22: | I will do it — I just gotta think about it for a little |
| [05:45:45] | coolego1: | is it bad that when MythTV tries to rip a DVD, all I see is a message saying that I should hit numbers and if that doesn't change anything, then something is "really wrong"? |
| [05:45:53] | achew22: | I redid my mythbox and destroyed my script that does this so I'm rewriting. its not that bad |
| [05:46:04] | achew22: | coolego1: no... do as it says and it will start MTD and you can be on your way |
| [05:46:20] | coolego1: | pushing the numbers doesn't help |
| [05:46:47] | coolego1: | I can run "mtd -n" but "mtd -d" can't find its log file |
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| [05:49:39] | achew22: | huhlig: http://pastebin.com/712302 |
| [05:49:41] | achew22: | thats a .sh file |
| [05:49:46] | achew22: | save it to /usr/bin |
| [05:49:59] | achew22: | coolego1 what is the error for hte log file? |
| [05:51:08] | coolego1: | achew22: "MTDLogger.o: Problem opening logfile. Does this look openable to you: /var/lib/mthdvd/temp/mtd.log" |
| [05:51:18] | huhlig: | ok |
| [05:51:33] | achew22: | coolego1: does it really say "mthdvd"? |
| [05:52:00] | coolego1: | the folder /var/lib/mythdvd doesn't exist |
| [05:52:04] | coolego1: | it says "mythdvd" |
| [05:52:05] | coolego1: | sorry |
| [05:52:07] | xris: | nice. suddenly I can't use ffmpeg or transcode. |
| [05:52:18] | ** xris curses the soundcard troubles that led to a system reinstall ** | |
| [05:52:26] | achew22: | huhlig: okay copy to the clipboard (on your mythbox) /usr/bin/NameOfThatFileFile %CHANID% %STARTTIME% %DIR% %FILE% |
| [05:52:33] | achew22: | xris: my appologies for your pain |
| [05:53:56] | achew22: | huhlig: once thats on the clipboard open mythtv-setup |
| [05:53:58] | xris: | achew22: it was your fault? |
| [05:54:03] | achew22: | no but I feel your pain |
| [05:54:24] | achew22: | xris: if you want I'll tell you it was my fault ;) |
| [05:54:27] | xris: | just curious why I'm getting "illegal instruction" from bothof them. |
| [05:54:46] | xris: | achew22: just checking, since normally one doesn't apologize without some reason. |
| [05:54:57] | Gumby: | xris: must be cause you are a law breaker |
| [05:55:33] | xris: | Gumby: oh? |
| [05:55:43] | Gumby: | "illegal instruction" |
| [05:55:48] | xris: | ahhh |
| [05:55:52] | achew22: | ohh |
| [05:55:56] | xris: | no, that's not me. that's the software. heh |
| [05:55:58] | achew22: | man thats as bad as the pirate jokes |
| [05:56:04] | xris: | I would rather that it NOT do illegal things. heh |
| [05:56:10] | Gumby: | :) |
| [05:56:30] | huhlig: | /usr/bin/divx-encode |
| [05:56:39] | Gumby: | what did captain highliner say to captain morgan? |
| [05:56:40] | achew22: | Gumby: i hope you didn't borrow that one and it was an origional joke on your part |
| [05:56:40] | huhlig: | /usr/bin/divx-encode %CHANID% %STARTTIME% %DIR% %FILE% |
| [05:56:52] | achew22: | huhlig looks good |
| [05:56:54] | Gumby: | arrrrrrhhhhhhhhhh matey, I'll fill your cheeks withcream |
| [05:56:56] | huhlig: | question |
| [05:57:02] | achew22: | any time |
| [05:57:03] | huhlig: | will it choose the directory or should I |
| [05:57:26] | Gumby: | achew22: I'm sick.. gimme a break. hehe |
| [05:57:34] | achew22: | lol |
| [05:57:48] | huhlig: | where will it put them |
| [05:57:52] | achew22: | huhlig: oops I forgot to comment out the line that says "forking" will you nano that file and put a # before forking |
| [05:58:01] | huhlig: | I fixed that |
| [05:58:04] | achew22: | huhlig it should put them in the /myth/tv folder |
| [05:58:06] | achew22: | good call huhlig |
| [05:58:10] | huhlig: | hmm tv |
| [05:58:13] | ** Gumby should learn how to transcode his recordings automagically. ** | |
| [05:58:19] | Gumby: | I'm running out of hdd space |
| [05:58:24] | huhlig: | and if I want it somewhere else? |
| [05:58:28] | huhlig: | just change it |
| [05:58:36] | marmoset: | holy crap, my house is almost worth 500k according to zillow |
| [05:58:40] | marmoset: | I'm rich! |
| [05:58:58] | achew22: | you can sell it and get a 64' (yes foot) tv |
| [05:59:02] | marmoset: | hehe |
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| [05:59:10] | xris: | marmoset: how much did you pay for it? |
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| [05:59:20] | marmoset: | xris: 329 |
| [05:59:23] | xris: | nice |
| [05:59:32] | marmoset: | yeah, bought at the right time somehow |
| [05:59:33] | xris: | mine's gone from 237 to 303 |
| [05:59:37] | marmoset: | wasn't even in the market |
| [05:59:40] | coolego1: | hmmm... I wonder how much resolution you would need to make a 64' tv look decent... |
| [05:59:41] | achew22: | huh yeah — syntax isn't too hard on that... |
| [05:59:50] | achew22: | all the %% stuff are vars for myth so don't change those |
| [05:59:50] | xris: | but a tiny house behind me just went for 300, so I know mine's worth more |
| [06:00:08] | coolego1: | probably at least 10,000 pixels across... |
| [06:00:47] | achew22: | huhlig: if its not in the /myth/tv folder it will be in tmp/fifodir_8242/ |
| [06:01:11] | huhlig: | cant I just tell it to output elseware |
| [06:01:13] | achew22: | so if you want to change it you should change all the occurences of /tmp/fifodir_8242/ to /XXX/XXX/XXX |
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| [06:01:17] | huhlig: | bu changing $3 |
| [06:01:27] | achew22: | no... thats a refrence to the actual file |
| [06:01:32] | achew22: | don't change that thats bad |
| [06:02:00] | xris: | ok, I really want to know what broke ffmpeg AND transcode |
| [06:02:03] | achew22: | if you want I'll add a $5 that can be the folder you want to output to. but know that the folder that gets the output will be cleared out completely every time you run this (aka. don't make it your home folder) |
| [06:02:10] | achew22: | xris: it was the sound card |
| [06:02:13] | achew22: | ;) |
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| [06:02:23] | xris: | achew22: the os reinstall was more likely. |
| [06:02:27] | xris: | it's all the fault of the soundcard, though |
| [06:02:29] | achew22: | you redid your os? |
| [06:02:30] | achew22: | why? |
| [06:02:37] | xris: | soundcard and gdm |
| [06:02:43] | xris: | gdm is still f'd up, though. |
| [06:03:14] | coolego1: | for some of us it's just easier to reinstall than screw around with it for hours... I've reinstalled mythdora and/or knoppmyth about 10 times in the last 3 days |
| [06:03:29] | achew22: | coolego1: he is a linux pro though... |
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| [06:03:44] | achew22: | he knows his stuff (as far as I can tell) |
| [06:04:02] | marmoset: | achew22: sometimes there's just less pain in reinstalling ;) |
| [06:04:08] | achew22: | good call |
| [06:04:15] | marmoset: | plus forcing yoruself to get rid of cruft is good for the soul |
| [06:04:20] | achew22: | its all so that you could have a headphone jack.... tisk tisk |
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| [06:05:24] | ** achew22 is going to go consume his bodyweight in burito.. be back in 5 ** | |
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| [06:05:39] | coolego1: | now I just have a working myth install, but mythdvd doesn't work and I still have to set up TV out, which is another, more pressing question if anyone has some quick solution |
| [06:05:52] | xris: | achew22: I've reinstalled fedora so many times that it's a *lot* easier to just reinstall than diagnose obscure problems |
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| [06:07:56] | coolego1: | any suggestions about the tv out on an nvidia geforceFX 5200? |
| [06:08:03] | coolego1: | just how to set it up |
| [06:08:12] | xris: | coolego1: install the binary drivers |
| [06:08:24] | xris: | the rest of it is generally in the nvidia-settings program |
| [06:08:25] | coolego1: | you mean the proprietaries? |
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| [06:09:09] | xris: | coolego1: yes |
| [06:09:38] | xris: | hmm, weird. freshrpms xvidcore library is just broken. atrpms works. |
| [06:10:28] | coolego1: | I just ran the nvidia-settings but in the display devices section, the TV out isn't listed. Is it detecting the tv out based on what's connected. I'm trying to use the svideo to composite cable so it shouldn't be able to get feedback from the devices |
| [06:12:00] | xris: | there is no svideo to composite cable.. the svideo-like plug on the card has extra pins, basically it's both svideo and composite... anyway, it should detect. |
| [06:12:45] | xris: | here's the device section from mine: http://pastebin.ca/66077 |
| [06:13:17] | xris: | ignore the comments at the top — they're left over from my onboard video |
| [06:15:04] | coolego1: | sorry for my stupidity, where does this come from? |
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| [06:36:59] | coolego1: | nevermind, found it in xorg.conf |
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| [06:37:34] | Dagmar: | One of my nvidia cards has that cockeyed thing on it |
| [06:37:50] | Dagmar: | I misplaced the thingie it came with and it took me bloody hours to find it again |
| [06:38:35] | Hoxzer: | Btw is there any video card that is meant to use Tv-out in the first place? |
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| [06:38:40] | Dagmar: | xris: According to the documentation TVOverScan is supposed to be a range from 0.0 to 1.0... are the docs screwed up on that? |
| [06:39:10] | Dagmar: | Hoxzer: Most of them that have s-video output will just enable it automatically at boot in twinview mode if there's something connected to it. |
| [06:39:16] | alieas: | hi all |
| [06:41:23] | alieas: | is anybody using dvi -> hdmi? I can do it 1920x1080 on my windows box np. still trying with linux – randr says I'm in 800x600. I tell it to use other resolutions no prevail. Is adding custom modeline to xorg.conf required? |
| [06:42:13] | xris: | Dagmar: I can't get overscan to work automatically, but those numbers are from nvidia-settings |
| [06:42:52] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I noticed that myself. I've been setting it using nvidia-settings -l in the meantime, but it seemed to react rather poorly to me feeding X values larger than 1 |
| [06:43:08] | xris: | Dagmar: same here |
| [06:43:18] | Dagmar: | THe next step for me is probably going to be to go ferreting around in the driver source |
| [06:43:30] | xris: | you have access to the driver source? |
| [06:44:56] | Dagmar: | I've got what I download from nVidia, the parts of which that are source seem pretty readable (and fairly commented) |
| [06:45:26] | xris: | I think that's the kernel interface layer |
| [06:45:31] | xris: | pretty sure the driver itself is binary |
| [06:45:56] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but the kernel interface layer... ah hell it's not like I'm doing anything important right now. I'll go look at it |
| [06:46:00] | Dagmar: | heh |
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| [06:46:15] | xris: | heh |
| [06:50:21] | Dagmar: | Okay. In the past most of the objects the driver would recognize were exposed, but not anymore apparently |
| [06:50:30] | Dagmar: | The only bits I can really see now are the kernel module parameters. |
| [06:50:54] | Dagmar: | Either way, I've had reasonable success with taking the value it has in nvidia-settings and dividing by 255 |
| [06:51:35] | Dagmar: | ...but I think it might just be broken, (or my TV is *that* damn cheap) |
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| [06:59:35] | xris: | hmm |
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| [07:13:22] | entropy|h: | when I compile a new version of mythtv from the svn, my mythbackend &mythfrontend version numbers don't change |
| [07:13:33] | entropy|h: | is this to be expected? |
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| [07:19:19] | Hoxzer: | well what version did u compile and what version did u have? |
| [07:20:09] | entropy|h: | I compiled 10216 from .019-fixes svn |
| [07:20:15] | entropy|h: | I had 9926 |
| [07:20:17] | Dagmar: | You probably built the newer version in a different prefix (like /usr/local) which isn't in your path |
| [07:20:29] | entropy|h: | I did configure with --prefix=/usr |
| [07:21:03] | Dagmar: | both times? |
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| [07:21:30] | Dagmar: | Let me put this another way. |
| [07:21:33] | entropy|h: | good question |
| [07:21:41] | Dagmar: | You've described an impossible and contradictory set of circumstances. |
| [07:21:47] | entropy|h: | I agree |
| [07:21:49] | Dagmar: | One of your assumptions is wrong. Just figure out which one. |
| [07:21:54] | entropy|h: | right |
| [07:22:10] | Dagmar: | It could just be that the version strings are the same between the two builds |
| [07:22:11] | entropy|h: | I didn't know if the svn version !== "source code version" |
| [07:22:23] | Dagmar: | Look at the modification time on the mythtv-setup binary |
| [07:22:32] | Dagmar: | ...and make sure there's only one of them |
| [07:22:40] | Dagmar: | find / -name mythtv-setup |
| [07:23:42] | entropy|h: | huzzah |
| [07:23:43] | entropy|h: | thanks |
| [07:23:50] | entropy|h: | /usr/bin/mythtv-setup |
| [07:23:50] | entropy|h: | /usr/local/bin/mythtv-setup |
| [07:23:52] | entropy|h: | ;) |
| [07:24:05] | Dagmar: | No problem |
| [07:24:16] | entropy|h: | toodles |
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| [08:50:23] | grndslm: | i was wondering how you guys ranked low/medium/high processors in the mythtv-setup |
| [08:50:24] | grndslm: | ???? |
| [08:50:49] | grndslm: | for example, an athlon 1600xp w/ 512mb of ram would be set on medium?!? |
| [08:51:12] | stuarta: | sounds about right |
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| [08:51:32] | grndslm: | what about commercial detection |
| [08:51:41] | grndslm: | should i start it when the recording starts? |
| [08:52:17] | grndslm: | and which ones should i use... blank frame detection only? or all the methods?? |
| [08:52:22] | stuarta: | up to you, if you want to watch things while they are recording and be able to skip ads then yes |
| [08:53:10] | stuarta: | normally just all methods. the accuracy of commflagging is, um, *variable* |
| [08:56:12] | grndslm: | how accurate is the all selection? |
| [08:56:31] | grndslm: | will i be able to automatically transcode and forget commercials ever existed? |
| [08:56:43] | grndslm: | cuz that would be schweet |
| [08:57:03] | stuarta: | *variable*, you'll need to review it, it's not good enough for automatic removal.. |
| [08:57:31] | grndslm: | prolly like 90% effective? |
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| [09:08:17] | stuarta: | sometimes it works 100% sometimes 0% sometimes in between |
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| [09:17:03] | lucas123: | grndslm: you should use ALL for method. |
| [09:17:49] | grndslm: | and why is that? |
| [09:18:00] | lucas123: | on average, that works best. |
| [09:18:15] | grndslm: | does it take up a lot more cpu than just blank frame |
| [09:18:28] | lucas123: | imho, all other methods are just completely broken. |
| [09:18:42] | lucas123: | so performance is sort of irrelevant :) |
| [09:19:13] | grndslm: | well, with an athlong 1600xp, should i start commercial flagging as soon as it starts recording? |
| [09:19:32] | grndslm: | athlong is a new type of processor btw |
| [09:20:11] | stuarta: | sounds like an athlon wearing a g-string... |
| [09:20:40] | lucas123: | you can... I have it turned on. works fine for me. |
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| [10:45:07] | iluciv: | hi I'm looking for the dvb-utils package in the debian repos but can not seem to find it anymore does it exist |
| [10:46:29] | stuarta: | it's there, have it installed. |
| [10:47:04] | stuarta: | tell a lie, don't have it installed. |
| [10:49:01] | stuarta: | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_pac . . . ds=dvb-utils |
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| [10:56:29] | Juski: | iiiiiiiiiiiiiit's friday! |
| [10:56:47] | SarahEmm: | hiya Juski |
| [10:56:53] | SarahEmm: | saturday for me :) |
| [10:56:56] | SarahEmm: | (i work weird shifts) |
| [10:57:00] | Juski: | ahh |
| [10:57:15] | stuarta: | morning Juski |
| [10:57:27] | gardengnome: | hi Juski |
| [10:57:55] | ** Juski got x starting by itself today ** | |
| [10:58:17] | scopeuk: | juski sweet |
| [10:58:18] | Juski: | figured security isn't an issue so I just rooted it :-P |
| [10:58:20] | ** stuarta has been swearing at Xen ** | |
| [10:58:22] | scopeuk: | and hi |
| [10:58:43] | ** scopeuk has been avoiding getting draged into diggign a hoel at his grandads his brother mean to be doing ** | |
| [10:58:48] | Juski: | mythtv user is missing its .bashrc & I couldn't understand wtf that's all about |
| [10:58:50] | stuarta: | and valgrinding.. |
| [10:59:00] | scopeuk: | any one else interested in this http://www.micronas.com/products/application/MicRacer/index.html |
| [10:59:41] | stuarta: | ooooo |
| [10:59:47] | Juski: | scopeuk: seen it already. OEM / NDA cacka |
| [10:59:56] | scopeuk: | damn |
| [11:00:11] | scopeuk: | be swet when/if its released adn ported over to linux |
| [11:00:14] | Juski: | have a whip-round and we can make a closed-source driver |
| [11:00:15] | scopeuk: | driver wise that is |
| [11:00:29] | scopeuk: | how much whould we nedto raise and where can i get one for my windows box |
| [11:00:40] | Juski: | rough guess around $10,000 |
| [11:00:49] | scopeuk: | hmm |
| [11:00:53] | scopeuk: | hell ofa whip round |
| [11:00:57] | stuarta: | where's the tv out? |
| [11:00:59] | Juski: | I'll full o good news today |
| [11:01:10] | scopeuk: | then again if you said there were 10 mill myth uses and each donated a cent |
| [11:01:20] | Juski: | yeh it doesn't even look to have HDMI out |
| [11:01:26] | scopeuk: | its a decoder |
| [11:01:37] | Juski: | so where's it's frickin output? |
| [11:01:45] | scopeuk: | your output is spat back through pc x then out through your normal gfx hardware |
| [11:01:53] | Juski: | bleh |
| [11:02:01] | stuarta: | better still, where's the input! |
| [11:02:24] | Juski: | much ado about nothing as yet innit |
| [11:02:27] | scopeuk: | over the bus |
| [11:02:45] | Juski: | single lane PCI-E.. ooo that'll be fast |
| [11:03:15] | stuarta: | so hammer the bus twice.... |
| [11:03:30] | scopeuk: | yup |
| [11:03:58] | Juski: | don't hold your breath anyway folks ;-) |
| [11:03:58] | stuarta: | blergh. |
| [11:04:53] | Juski: | shit it takes a compressed TS & sends out uncompressed HD.. which is what... 18GB/sec or something? |
| [11:04:55] | scopeuk: | we could do with startigna fund for this sort of thing a piece of hardware with huge potential is lanched and we need to buy in to get even clsoed support |
| [11:05:09] | scopeuk: | Juski who knows |
| [11:05:20] | scopeuk: | i guess it could be modified to output in mpeg 2 |
| [11:05:31] | scopeuk: | then decoe that with the gfx |
| [11:05:35] | Juski: | if they pay the licence fees yeah |
| [11:05:38] | scopeuk: | reduce bandwidth requirements |
| [11:05:48] | Juski: | does anyone know how to say "pie in the sky" ? |
| [11:06:27] | Juski: | anyway nvidia might have 'purevideo' implemented in their linux driver by the time the micronas thing sees the light of day |
| [11:06:42] | Juski: | possibly even software decoding will be possible |
| [11:06:50] | scopeuk: | yeh im not gonna hold my breath on eirther |
| [11:07:11] | Juski: | if a 3GHz single CPU can decode h.264 HD at 17fps... |
| [11:07:18] | Juski: | :-P |
| [11:07:38] | Juski: | a 6Ghz dual-core might just be the ticket |
| [11:07:59] | scopeuk: | yeh i mean the cost of that whould probabl be comparable with that card |
| [11:08:00] | scopeuk: | lol |
| [11:08:12] | scopeuk: | then again tis comming jsut when |
| [11:08:16] | Juski: | ... assuming the ffmeg developers aren't all in jail by then... |
| [11:08:27] | scopeuk: | i mean netburst is dead long live conroe until they decidethats fucekd and replace it |
| [11:08:36] | scopeuk: | Juski what they done now? |
| [11:08:44] | Juski: | lol |
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| [11:09:41] | scopeuk: | i can see many govern ments introducing cmpulsery drm/braudcast flag and destroying the legality f prety much all open source media software |
| [11:09:44] | Juski: | scopeuk: you not heard how any software implementation of mpeg is on shaky ground? |
| [11:09:52] | stuarta: | if you could get the data out of the chips on that board it'd be perfect. YCbCr direct output |
| [11:10:10] | scopeuk: | hadent althgouh let me guess softeare patent? |
| [11:10:37] | scopeuk: | stuarta its a reference baord so theres no reson a diferent manufacture coudletn strap outptus onto it |
| [11:10:51] | Dagmar: | Or some spell-correction software. |
| [11:11:08] | scopeuk: | sorry im thinking |
| [11:11:18] | Dagmar: | s/thinking/drinking/; |
| [11:11:22] | stuarta: | ahh, that'll be all the header jumpers.... |
| [11:11:25] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [11:11:35] | scopeuk: | heh there are enoguh interfaces |
| [11:11:47] | scopeuk: | if you go to the blow up pics and save em you get a better res version |
| [11:11:54] | scopeuk: | and oen ofthe interfaces loosk like serial |
| [11:11:59] | scopeuk: | :confused: |
| [11:12:23] | stuarta: | click on the links to the chips used. nice chips |
| [11:12:36] | scopeuk: | ncie price tag too? |
| [11:13:42] | stuarta: | serial port is probably the jtag interface |
| [11:13:51] | Dagmar: | You gotta slow down just a little there, man |
| [11:13:58] | Dagmar: | Yer killin' me |
| [11:14:01] | scopeuk: | ok |
| [11:14:11] | Juski: | you could quite easily do it with a media DSP on a pci card – IF someone were prepared to develop it |
| [11:14:17] | scopeuk: | i dident think what i was putting was well though out enough to be worth reading |
| [11:14:46] | Dagmar: | Hey, don't be so hard on yourself. The spammers haven't really made much headway on this server so far. |
| [11:14:55] | Dagmar: | If someone's willing to type it, I'm generally willing to read it. |
| [11:14:57] | Juski: | it's all academic anyway since there's not been any announcement about the final format of UK HD |
| [11:15:09] | stuarta: | since it's a reference design, it's basically got all the hardware you need to debug it attached I reckon |
| [11:15:18] | Dagmar: | ...but when you start getting around or above 50% typos it makes my eyes wobble |
| [11:15:26] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [11:15:28] | scopeuk: | sorry about that |
| [11:15:36] | scopeuk: | i orta get inline spel check |
| [11:15:50] | Juski: | spellcheck if=/scopeuk of=/mythtv-users |
| [11:15:51] | Dagmar: | I'm 'specially payin' attention because you're talking about my weak-suit--reverse engineering hardware. |
| [11:16:10] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [11:16:18] | scopeuk: | unfurtuantely i lack any skill with drivers |
| [11:16:33] | scopeuk: | best ive achived was modifying a kernal modual (removign commented out bits) |
| [11:17:01] | Dagmar: | Personally, I don't think there's anyway they can make these things both proprietary *and* future-proof. |
| [11:17:08] | scopeuk: | no |
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| [11:18:25] | ** stuarta just wants an accelerator card or suchlike ** | |
| [11:18:42] | scopeuk: | stuarta join the club |
| [11:19:08] | gardengnome: | i'd like to use these new ppu cards to make bouncy boobs. |
| [11:19:40] | scopeuk: | isent that what its for? |
| [11:19:43] | scopeuk: | damn dashed my dreams |
| [11:19:48] | scopeuk: | any way im off l8rs dudes |
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| [11:22:09] | Juski: | http://www.synfora.com/files/H_264_Paper_Dec_05_FINAL.pdf |
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| [11:27:31] | Dagmar: | gardengnome: I think the japanese have already beaten you to it |
| [11:29:01] | ** Juski has found some photos of inside the $ky HD box ** | |
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| [11:32:25] | Juski: | nice. they use a broadcom BCM7411 to decode the AVC |
| [11:32:41] | ** Dagmar runs and hides at the mention of Broadcom. ** | |
| [11:32:50] | Juski: | ? |
| [11:33:08] | stuarta: | isn't that an ethernet chip? |
| [11:33:29] | Juski: | they might make ethernet chips too |
| [11:33:39] | Juski: | but then conexant make adsl modem chips aswell |
| [11:35:28] | Juski: | all we need now is a brave hardware developer to take the mantle... |
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| [11:36:27] | stuarta: | looks like a nice chip |
| [11:38:05] | Juski: | not the kind of stuff you can knock up on veroboard at home unfortunately |
| [11:38:15] | Juski: | but I bet their development kit is pci-card based |
| [11:41:07] | Juski: | lol. oh dear. apparently the $ky HD box does its own deinterlacing of SD – people are saying SD looks worse on the HD box (worse I mean than an older SD receiver) |
| [11:42:21] | stuarta: | doh |
| [11:42:48] | Juski: | another own goal for sky – breaks my heart, does that ;-) |
| [11:44:08] | stuarta: | looks like the are starting up $ky $ports 4 |
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| [11:45:09] | Juski: | well it's not like they're short of bandwidth |
| [11:45:45] | Juski: | oh while I think on – any PAM experts about? I can log into my box as root over ssh just fine, but not as normal users :-/ |
| [11:46:06] | Juski: | (at least I think it's a PAM problem) |
| [11:47:44] | gardengnome: | you might wanna increease the verbosity of your sshd to check |
| [11:47:52] | gardengnome: | or at least take a look at your log files |
| [11:49:39] | Juski: | hmmm.. don't seem to have any logs of it |
| [11:50:24] | Juski: | I think it worked fine til I started using dhcp |
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| [11:53:39] | stuarta: | might have permissions issues with users home dirs and .ssh dir |
| [11:54:01] | ** stuarta lunches ** | |
| [11:54:35] | Juski: | ah |
| [11:54:47] | Juski: | user mythtv didn't have a $HOME before |
| [11:55:10] | stuarta: | ssh is particular about permissions. |
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| [11:58:20] | Juski: | not much in the log |
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| [12:32:26] | Juski: | haha! user mythtv didn't have an intial shell set up. |
| [12:32:49] | Juski: | that'd prolly explain why I couldn't get the mythtv user to startx properly at bootup time |
| [12:32:53] | D-side: | heh |
| [12:33:12] | Juski: | definitely explained why ssh wouldn't work for the mythtv user |
| [12:33:14] | D-side: | how long did it take you? |
| [12:33:25] | Juski: | a few hours, off & on |
| [12:33:32] | D-side: | heh. i've been there. |
| [12:33:36] | Juski: | just a process of elimination |
| [12:33:50] | Juski: | it was either that or something to do with PAM... glad it was the former |
| [12:34:30] | D-side: | indeed. |
| [12:34:46] | Juski: | just doing useradd mythtv isn't enough, obviously, so don't do it kids ;-) |
| [12:35:03] | D-side: | no adduser script on that distro? |
| [12:35:13] | stuarta: | Juski: adduser |
| [12:35:26] | D-side: | i think you said gentoo though, and that'd be a no. |
| [12:35:41] | Juski: | yup |
| [12:35:58] | Juski: | had to go back to (forgotten) basics |
| [12:36:14] | stuarta: | thou you can add flags to useradd to make it do it |
| [12:36:19] | D-side: | just a brief "duh" moment. |
| [12:36:41] | stuarta: | IIRC useradd -m -k /etc/skel -C "realname" username |
| [12:36:41] | Juski: | I used to do it in Unix many moons ago |
| [12:36:44] | D-side: | i have a stuck green pixel on my brand new ds lite and it makes me sad :( |
| [12:37:08] | D-side: | i dont htink you need to add the skel location, it'll default to /etc/skel |
| [12:37:30] | D-side: | and as for the rest of the syntax, i just don't know. i'd check the man page, but nah. ;) |
| [12:38:12] | Juski: | one more little niggle... when X starts it says 'no hostname', yet echo $HOSTNAME tells me the hostname my dhcp server assigns it |
| [12:38:41] | stuarta: | explicitly set it |
| [12:39:04] | Juski: | in the startx command you mean? |
| [12:39:19] | stuarta: | hostname |
| [12:39:38] | D-side: | Juski: hm. specify it in /etc/hosts ? |
| [12:39:42] | stuarta: | just on boot, set it to something, even if it's localhost |
| [12:40:02] | Juski: | so in other words put it in local.start or something? |
| [12:40:04] | D-side: | Juski: when you log in at the console, does it show the hostname as "$whatever.localdomain" ? |
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| [12:40:27] | Juski: | $hostname |
| [12:40:31] | Juski: | that's all |
| [12:40:52] | D-side: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Setup_Your_FQDN |
| [12:40:55] | D-side: | really. |
| [12:41:20] | Juski: | I never thought I'd have to even bother with domain name crap. Oh crap |
| [12:42:16] | Juski: | haha... "this is very simple". i like it already |
| [12:44:53] | Juski: | done, done & (already) done |
| [12:46:30] | D-side: | well |
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| [12:46:34] | D-side: | thats farking weird then. |
| [12:47:00] | D-side: | so all those /etc/conf.d/ files exist and are correct? was there anything about editing /etc/hosts in that url? |
| [12:48:04] | D-side: | pfeh. my kingdom for ubuntu dapper 0.19 packages. |
| [12:48:16] | gardengnome: | D-side: no problem. |
| [12:48:42] | gardengnome: | http://hamsta.net/mythtv/files/dapper/ |
| [12:48:58] | gardengnome: | note that you might need those additional libs from there. |
| [12:49:12] | gardengnome: | there's also a real repository. do you want the URL? |
| [12:49:36] | D-side: | gardengnome: is that yours? |
| [12:49:41] | D-side: | your nick looks familiar |
| [12:49:46] | gardengnome: | nope |
| [12:49:49] | ** gardengnome is laga. ** | |
| [12:49:51] | D-side: | well, there goes that. |
| [12:49:55] | D-side: | OH, you. pfeh. :D |
| [12:49:58] | gardengnome: | hehe ;) |
| [12:50:04] | D-side: | if theres a real repo yeah, i'd love to know what it is |
| [12:50:10] | D-side: | my google-fu is weak. |
| [12:50:24] | gardengnome: | heh |
| [12:51:02] | gardengnome: | wait a second. just asking him |
| [12:51:06] | D-side: | thanks very much. |
| [12:51:34] | D-side: | i normally just watch recorded shows via the xbox, but i want to kill commercials out of some of them and archive them. |
| [12:51:52] | gardengnome: | mythtranscode --mpeg2 for teh win, then. |
| [12:52:24] | D-side: | absolutely, but i have to mark them first. |
| [12:52:51] | D-side: | and no, i don't trust the autoflagging entirely. it does a great job, but its not 100%. |
| [12:53:04] | D-side: | not that i'm knocking it at all; i realize its damn impossible. |
| [12:53:15] | gardengnome: | yeah, same here. it works really well on enterprise, for example. but it fails on southpark :/ |
| [12:53:19] | onetwo: | 2.6.14 – no support for Nova-s 2.6.16 – no module prebuild for pvr150 GRRRRRRRRRRRRR! |
| [12:53:23] | gardengnome: | D-side: 14:53 < Hamsta-Myth> deb http://hamsta.net/mythtv/files/dapper ./ |
| [12:53:49] | D-side: | oh, i could have figured that one out. sheesh. thanks. |
| [12:53:56] | gardengnome: | onetwo: just compile ivtv, it's painless usually. you'll probably need ivtv 0.6 |
| [12:54:09] | gardengnome: | D-side: and here is his coimplete sources.list: http://hamsta.net/dateien/zeugs/sources.list |
| [12:55:07] | D-side: | excellent. |
| [12:55:17] | D-side: | ivtv 0.6 is out? wow. |
| [12:56:02] | gardengnome: | D-side: for 2.6.16 kernels, yes. they're trying to get ivtv integrated into linux now. read more at ivtvdriver.org ;) |
| [12:56:40] | Juski: | that'll make things a hell of a lot easier for folks – when ivtv is in the standard kernel :-) |
| [12:56:54] | D-side: | gardengnome: i knew i liked you for a reason. :D |
| [12:57:02] | D-side: | Juski: no kidding. |
| [12:57:05] | gardengnome: | D-side: aaaaaaw! :) |
| [12:57:19] | ** Juski is liked by nobody and wants to keep it that way ** | |
| [12:57:37] | gardengnome: | Juski: it will take some time, though. right now, some of the supplemental modules are integrated in 2.6.16, iirc |
| [12:57:40] | ** gardengnome hugs Juski ** | |
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| [12:59:27] | Juski: | blech |
| [12:59:31] | Juski: | ;-) |
| [12:59:49] | Merlin83b2: | Face it Juski, you're lvoed by all :-) |
| [12:59:53] | Merlin83b2: | Also, loved. |
| [13:00:05] | Juski: | not in the biblical sense I hope |
| [13:00:16] | Merlin83b2: | Heh. |
| [13:01:08] | Juski: | damn I just remembered about the patches my themes need for svn :-/ always causes a sinking feeling |
| [13:01:30] | D-side: | oh thats right, you were working on themes. |
| [13:01:37] | D-side: | got screenshots of them? |
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| [13:02:05] | Juski: | and if my memory serves me right, there've been changes that would make a theme incompatible with plain 0.19 (removing one aspect & changing the name of another) |
| [13:02:14] | Juski: | www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem |
| [13:02:30] | gardengnome: | Juski: you should try to get them included into myththemes. |
| [13:02:44] | Juski: | they're too big |
| [13:03:09] | Juski: | I like the idea of somebody else maintaining em though :-P |
| [13:03:45] | D-side: | Juski: i take it you've got an xbox also? :) |
| [13:03:47] | gardengnome: | why are they too big?! |
| [13:03:54] | Juski: | gardengnome: all the big pngs |
| [13:04:17] | gardengnome: | Juski: so it got rejected? |
| [13:04:37] | Juski: | I never said it got rejected |
| [13:04:38] | D-side: | Juski: looks very nice indeed. |
| [13:04:54] | Juski: | I'm saying I don't really care about it anymore ;-) |
| [13:05:03] | stuarta: | Juski: are the themes up to date with svn, or only 0.19? |
| [13:05:07] | gardengnome: | Juski: sad |
| [13:05:25] | Juski: | stuarta: they were up to date with svn ages ago, and 0.19 |
| [13:06:06] | stuarta: | I'm still using them on head, just not sure if it still has all the bits needed. |
| [13:06:19] | Juski: | the way I read the svn ticket for the last theme updates, it seemed as though incorporating the mythgallery stuff would break it for 0.19 |
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| [13:07:27] | Juski: | next thing I release I'm not making any announcement on the users list. too much fucking INPUT on there :-) |
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| [13:07:50] | stuarta: | high SNR too |
| [13:08:06] | stuarta: | sorry low SNR |
| [13:08:37] | Juski: | I got of a lot of "yeah great BUT" |
| [13:08:49] | Juski: | got a lot of... |
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| [13:09:22] | stuarta: | the answer to that is "feel free to fix it yourself" |
| [13:09:47] | Juski: | you gotta have a thicker skin than I had at the time, I know that now |
| [13:10:08] | D-side: | the list is... interesting, as it is. |
| [13:10:27] | stuarta: | I unsubscribed ages ago. too much noise... |
| [13:10:32] | D-side: | same here. |
| [13:10:39] | gardengnome: | mythtv-users is like 5% interesting, 95% "help, mythtv not workey" |
| [13:10:41] | Juski: | fast forward to when (if) the windows port happens |
| [13:10:55] | stuarta: | I just let Juski filter the interesting ones out :-P |
| [13:11:33] | gardengnome: | yeah, i unsubscribed, too. but now i'm depressed because i don't get any mails :/ |
| [13:11:41] | stuarta: | at least here we have intelligent conversation (occasionally...) |
| [13:11:57] | stuarta: | gardengnome: -dev & -commits are interesting :) |
| [13:12:14] | gardengnome: | stuarta: yep. they are. especially because of jochen |
| [13:12:25] | ** Juski thanks God the forums are infinitely better than the lusers-ML ** | |
| [13:12:40] | gardengnome: | Juski: yeah, that's an interesting development, actually. |
| [13:14:26] | Juski: | oh, so you're not resigned anymore? |
| [13:14:39] | gardengnome: | i've never been. |
| [13:14:43] | gardengnome: | just my signature. |
| [13:14:49] | D-side: | gardengnome: you're insane if you think theres 5% worthwhile. :) |
| [13:14:49] | Juski: | heh |
| [13:14:50] | gardengnome: | i just couldn't keep my hands off it |
| [13:15:04] | gardengnome: | D-side: i blame it on my hard childhood |
| [13:15:11] | Juski: | I can happily keep my hands off now, since I got the s100 to play with :-) |
| [13:15:17] | gardengnome: | heh |
| [13:15:25] | Merlin83b2: | Speaking of which... ;-) |
| [13:15:25] | gardengnome: | i can easily keep my hands off the s100 ;) |
| [13:15:31] | Merlin83b2 is now known as Merlin83b | |
| [13:16:11] | Juski: | Merlin83b: it's backed up now, am taking anight off tonight, but will start paring it down at the weekend |
| [13:16:30] | Merlin83b: | Heh, night off on a Friday night? Slacker! |
| [13:16:40] | gardengnome: | http://wiki.lugor.de/index.php/MythTV – FYI, gentoo svn ebuilds (german only, but the instructions should be understandable) |
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| [13:17:21] | robbie: | anyone here got their hands on a WinTV Nova-DT |
| [13:17:33] | robbie: | dual tuner digital card |
| [13:17:47] | robbie: | its actualy 2 usb tuners with a usb host controller all on one card |
| [13:18:24] | Juski: | Merlin83b: cuss all you like :-P |
| [13:18:29] | Merlin83b: | Hehe |
| [13:18:39] | Juski: | you have to buy an s100 first.. and there are 2 more on ebay today |
| [13:18:48] | Merlin83b: | No robbie, but should be quite simple if it presents itself as two Nova-T USBs :-) |
| [13:18:55] | robbie: | Merlin83b: so i thought |
| [13:19:06] | robbie: | however it only shows itself as 1 |
| [13:19:17] | Merlin83b: | Juski: Thanks – 4 days and 8 days to go... |
| [13:19:32] | Juski: | at least each device will be a known quantity & prolly won't suffer the general lameness of USB |
| [13:20:10] | robbie: | http://pastebin.ca/66160 |
| [13:20:34] | stuarta: | robbie: do they both show up with lsusb? |
| [13:20:43] | robbie: | a mate wanted to see if i could get one working for him |
| [13:20:47] | Merlin83b: | robbie: I'm not sure, might present a couple of frontends? |
| [13:20:56] | robbie: | the stickers on it say Nova-T-500 |
| [13:21:05] | robbie: | Merlin83b: i am only familiar with pvr250 and 250's |
| [13:21:09] | robbie: | err 350's |
| [13:21:22] | robbie: | what other frontend can it present ? |
| [13:21:53] | stuarta: | can we see the output of lsusb please? |
| [13:21:56] | robbie: | k |
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| [13:22:30] | robbie: | http://pastebin.ca/66162 |
| [13:22:44] | Merlin83b: | robbie: I'll leave you with stuarta :-) |
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| [13:23:00] | stuarta: | Merlin83b: I've only got one eye on this window :) |
| [13:23:04] | robbie: | heh |
| [13:23:10] | robbie: | want lsusb -v |
| [13:23:21] | robbie: | not a bad priced card, $198AU |
| [13:24:06] | robbie: | http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /005246.html |
| [13:24:18] | robbie: | found that mailing list on it, just as it came out |
| [13:24:22] | robbie: | no useful info though |
| [13:24:49] | robbie: | http://www.downtown.com.au/htv1061.htm |
| [13:24:52] | robbie: | there is one |
| [13:26:44] | Juski: | as of may this year, no driver support |
| [13:26:50] | robbie: | oh well |
| [13:26:55] | robbie: | he can have it back till there is |
| [13:27:04] | robbie: | Juski: whered you find that ? |
| [13:28:22] | Juski: | http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2006-May/010137.html |
| [13:30:05] | Juski: | and more recently: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2006-June/010753.html |
| [13:30:48] | Juski: | get it going in winders & buy yourself a copy of bushound ;-) |
| [13:31:00] | robbie: | bushound |
| [13:31:04] | robbie: | oh, the usb sniffer |
| [13:31:21] | robbie: | i'll do the typical thing and wait for someone else to write a driver |
| [13:31:28] | stuarta: | did always wonder what they used.... |
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| [13:56:34] | onetwo: | anyone in the uk with dvb-s here? |
| [13:58:30] | Dibblah: | Yup. |
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| [14:01:46] | Dibblah: | juski: Buy? Usb snoopy. |
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| [14:08:09] | onetwo: | Dibblah – I've got a dish which recieves sky digital, is there anything off that that I can see with my new nova-s |
| [14:08:33] | stuarta: | pretty much only what's on the freesat list. |
| [14:08:54] | onetwo: | Dibblah – I've been looking on lyngsat, and whatever numbers I put in gets me "no signal"... |
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| [14:09:33] | onetwo: | has anyone got a set of number that I can poke into the channel scanner? |
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| [14:10:48] | onetwo: | I see that one can get a special shaped dish that lets you get signals from 19 and 28 has anyone got one? |
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| [14:41:19] | Dibblah: | You don't need a special dish. |
| [14:41:37] | Dibblah: | You just need to install an offset LNB. |
| [14:42:25] | Dibblah: | I have 28.2 and 13, which is easier to fit than 19 would be. |
| [14:48:56] | onetwo: | Dibblah – thanks for the tip. My szap thingy doesn't have a file Astra-28.2E . I see the Debian packages have it, but does anyone either know the contents or where I can get one from? |
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| [14:51:50] | Dibblah: | /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s? |
| [14:52:10] | Dibblah: | S 10773000 H 22000000 5/6 |
| [14:53:12] | onetwo: | Dibblah – thankx – I downloaded the source and 1.1.1 didn't contain it. I'm using fc4 and could n't figure out the package name.... |
| [15:01:29] | Juski: | Dibblah: I've been tasked with buying a USB protocol analyser here @ work :-) |
| [15:01:54] | Dibblah: | usb snoopy and a new office chair, then ;) |
| [15:02:19] | Dibblah: | They run to some money for a good one. |
| [15:02:29] | Dibblah: | And the USB sniffers do as well. |
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| [15:04:59] | Juski: | well, since it's for USB driver developmment on our own platform I don't think a software solution would be the way to go.. got a unit on its way for evaluation.. some 21,000 EUR worth |
| [15:05:08] | Juski: | oops... 12000 EUR |
| [15:05:20] | stuarta: | kerching $$$ |
| [15:06:04] | Juski: | their SATA analyser helped us determine silicon image sata bridges were a PoS.. heh like we needed that |
| [15:06:34] | Dibblah: | And I thought http://www.easysync.co.uk/usb_palz_200.html was expensive! |
| [15:07:06] | Dibblah: | SII makes great cheap gear. |
| [15:07:14] | Dibblah: | But it's consumer level. |
| [15:07:48] | Juski: | oo I'd never seen their gear.. easysync wossname |
| [15:08:02] | stuarta: | sadly it's almost the defacto chipset used for SATA on a MB these days. |
| [15:08:59] | Dibblah: | Ah. You don't mean bridges as in the PATA -> SATA ones. |
| [15:09:10] | Juski: | we might aswell just buy two of them EasySync things – cheaper than 4 weeks' rental of an SBAE30 |
| [15:09:58] | Dibblah: | Hey, if they give you a free eval and you can do what you need to in that, then job's a good un. |
| [15:10:43] | Juski: | lol. I doubt it. the IP the company bought is a proper PoS by all accounts |
| [15:15:56] | Dibblah: | Who needs IP when you have opencores? ;) |
| [15:16:09] | Juski: | yeah yeah. tell our CEO that |
| [15:16:21] | Dibblah: | Oooh. Shiny things! |
| [15:18:53] | Juski: | seems the catalyst one is more for us I think, since the dev's machines don't have USB2 :-/ |
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| [15:19:15] | Juski: | (or windows 2000 – seriously!) |
| [15:20:00] | Juski: | they'd have to buy a new IDE if they upgraded to XP :-O |
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| [15:20:26] | Dibblah: | Ewww. I just recently got into the "Our Windows 3.11 machines can no longer access network shares. Fix it fix it fix it" discussion. |
| [15:20:48] | Juski: | we didn't get to #1 in our business by spending money ya know |
| [15:21:02] | Juski: | staying there could be a problem though ;-) |
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| [15:21:53] | scopeuk: | Dibblah disable the secure authentication fall back to plain text issue resolve |
| [15:21:57] | scopeuk: | if you dont like security that is |
| [15:22:16] | Dibblah: | It's a signing / sealing issue, I know. |
| [15:22:22] | scopeuk: | although upgrading te os whould be wis me thinks |
| [15:22:34] | Juski: | to .... linux ! |
| [15:23:20] | Dibblah: | But I'm buggered if just under 100,000 clients are going to be able to connect to the domain with no authentication. |
| [15:24:25] | Dibblah: | As in "I have no idea who you are, but if you say you have a domadmin password, come in!" |
| [15:25:22] | Juski: | actually.. they do that here |
| [15:26:00] | onetwo: | dvb-s.txt |
| [15:26:02] | Dibblah: | Ick. |
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| [15:52:39] | denmaeth: | i need help choosing my new hardware |
| [15:57:04] | onetwo: | Denmeath – go for it |
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| [16:08:02] | denmaeth: | ok i think ill use the ultra microfly case and the hauppauge pvr-500 cap card |
| [16:08:53] | denmaeth: | i cant deside on motherboard or cpu – i think i read the via chips dont work well |
| [16:09:19] | denmaeth: | ill need a micro atx mb |
| [16:10:20] | Juski: | via has a bad press, but not all via motherboards are bad |
| [16:11:08] | tank-man: | i have a via chipest, working ok for mythtv |
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| [16:11:19] | tank-man: | via kt 133 i think |
| [16:11:30] | Juski: | my via chipset systems have always been fine.. kt133 / kt400 |
| [16:12:37] | denmaeth: | ok im just looking for a well supported mb – i think what i read was about some via chips and DMA |
| [16:12:48] | Juski: | bleh |
| [16:13:14] | denmaeth: | i am not opposed to via chips |
| [16:13:14] | Juski: | don't get anything with integrated intel or ati graphics & you should be fine I think |
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| [16:13:38] | tank-man: | why not integrated intel? |
| [16:14:21] | Juski: | not as fully featured as say, nvidia |
| [16:14:36] | xris: | Juski: just tried PG again and it's still broken. :( |
| [16:14:46] | Juski: | or just avoid boards with integrated graphics ;-0 |
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| [16:14:59] | xris: | Juski: and sound |
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| [16:15:08] | Juski: | xris: I've not changed it – and I've seen no evidence of the issue being fixed in the code either |
| [16:15:36] | Juski: | for now I'd just say go back to using Qt painter :-) |
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| [16:16:59] | xris: | well, was hoping the code had been fixed. heh. |
| [16:17:16] | xris: | I'm fine with using retro for now. I don't use mythfrontend all that much |
| [16:17:26] | Juski: | I was checking the -commits list a few times a day for quite a while |
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| [16:18:06] | Juski: | xris: the galling thing is that my theme (and Syth/Midnight) don't do anything fundamentally different to the other themes :-/ |
| [16:18:10] | denmaeth: | ok that leads to my next question about video card |
| [16:18:22] | Juski: | denmaeth: nvidia or bust ;-) (IMHO) |
| [16:19:30] | Juski: | anyway xris my theme needs a shed load of work to operate properly with svn in other areas – mythmusic has changed a lot irrc, as has mythgallery – and the changes to mythgallery look like they'd break the theme for 0.19 |
| [16:19:49] | denmaeth: | ok Juski good info now maybe i can narrow it down |
| [16:27:18] | Juski: | if you just want svideo or VGA, go for a basic fx5200 card |
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| [16:28:10] | scopeuk: | fx5200 is a capapeable card |
| [16:28:17] | denmaeth: | i will want to hook it up to my tv – so what ever would be the easyest |
| [16:28:32] | kormoc: | nvidia cards and tv out are rather dirt simple most of the time |
| [16:28:42] | Juski: | standard definition (i.e. NOT HDTV) TV? |
| [16:29:01] | denmaeth: | yes just a tv |
| [16:29:17] | kormoc: | well, really, hdtv's are just tvs as well... :P |
| [16:29:32] | denmaeth: | :) |
| [16:30:09] | denmaeth: | this will be my first myth box but all my friends want one tooo |
| [16:30:37] | scopeuk: | denmaeth someone has to take the plundge |
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| [16:30:48] | denmaeth: | and its always me |
| [16:30:49] | scopeuk: | i built a myth box from spare crap i had lyign round |
| [16:31:41] | denmaeth: | how well supported are these logiteck key boards that come with a remote? |
| [16:31:46] | scopeuk: | now one of my frideds is building one |
| [16:32:05] | denmaeth: | and would that be a good way to go |
| [16:32:11] | scopeuk: | hes usign a proper set of hardware though |
| [16:33:00] | denmaeth: | ya i want to do my homework on hardware it need to run right or im in trouble |
| [16:33:19] | denmaeth: | i printed the whole myth manual |
| [16:33:21] | Juski: | the biggest mistake you can make is buying the wrong kind of tuner card |
| [16:34:13] | denmaeth: | i was planning on the hauppauge pvr-500 |
| [16:34:22] | Juski: | good choice |
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| [16:36:00] | Juski: | anyway.. |
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| [16:36:43] | RaYmAn-Bx: | pvr-500 is a great choice, EXCEPT if you have a motherboard with an incompatible chipset (a fair amount of VIA chipsets) |
| [16:36:59] | kormoc: | denmaeth, honestly, I really like my microsoft MCE remote |
| [16:37:15] | denmaeth: | thats what i read about via |
| [16:37:30] | kormoc: | yeah, I second avoid via and sis chipsets |
| [16:37:39] | tank-man: | i read that too but i have a via kt133 and pvr250 working ok |
| [16:38:01] | denmaeth: | i think it was about dma |
| [16:38:08] | kormoc: | tank-man, sure, it's possable, but there's been so many people with strange issues with vias |
| [16:38:24] | denmaeth: | so the card can right directly to the hard drive |
| [16:38:24] | kormoc: | not always, sometimes via's refuse to allow bus mastering, which is required for the pvrs |
| [16:39:03] | kormoc: | sometimes they refuse to listen to the pci latency request, so the kernel drivers think the pci is running and one speed and it's running at an entirely different speed |
| [16:39:03] | denmaeth: | aahh |
| [16:39:17] | tank-man: | via kt133a, athlon 1ghz, 512ram, pvr250, 2.4 kernel |
| [16:39:49] | denmaeth: | ill be installing the latest knoppmyth |
| [16:40:04] | marmoset: | tank-man: fwiw, my via stuff worked fine until I started doing other things on the machine and had a lot of pci traffic, it started showing random corruption then |
| [16:40:37] | tank-man: | corruption in mpeg picture? |
| [16:40:59] | tank-man: | this is also my desktop and no problems so far (knock on wood) |
| [16:41:41] | marmoset: | tank-man: corruption in everything. I noticed it when moving movies to it with rsync, it kept recopying them because theyw ere different (I used rsync -c to verify for fun, and it caught it) |
| [16:42:08] | tank-man: | oh damn, sucks |
| [16:43:40] | denmaeth: | well its time i went to make some money – thanks for the help |
| [16:44:15] | tank-man: | you dont need a powerfull pc for sdtv content |
| [16:44:42] | kormoc: | well, depends on what you want to do with it |
| [16:45:05] | kormoc: | export to video files use a bit of cpu, future streaming via mythweb will use cpu |
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| [16:47:48] | onetwo: | hi I'm in a muddle with alias char-major-81 I have a Nova-T a Nova-S and PVR150 and if I manually modprobe cx88_dvb and then ivtv everything's fine, but the system doesn't automatically load cx88_dvb any idea? |
| [16:48:13] | kormoc: | you could add it to your modules autoload file |
| [16:48:33] | onetwo: | do you mean modprobe.conf? |
| [16:48:38] | kormoc: | no |
| [16:49:02] | kormoc: | on gentoo it is /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 (or kernal-2.4) |
| [16:49:10] | kormoc: | just toss in the modules on that file and it autoloads them |
| [16:49:24] | kormoc: | your distro has a file somewhere that does the same thing |
| [16:49:54] | tank-man: | modprobe.conf, modules.conf |
| [16:50:05] | tank-man: | one is for 2.4, one is for 2.6 |
| [16:50:27] | kormoc: | that's funny |
| [16:50:51] | onetwo: | I have modprobe.conf and modules.conf is linked to it I'm running Fedora FC4 |
| [16:50:52] | kormoc: | my modprobe.conf is just alias and options and installs, nothing actually about loading of modules automatically |
| [16:51:45] | tank-man: | i think those files are for when you access those devices, it auto loads the module |
| [16:52:01] | kormoc: | I really didn't think so |
| [16:55:39] | onetwo: | why is it alias char-major-81 anyway and how can I work out which is 81 and which is 81–1? |
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| [16:56:32] | a1fa: | ah |
| [16:56:38] | a1fa: | it is finally time to update my svn |
| [16:57:12] | a1fa: | Updated to revision 10223. |
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| [16:59:09] | kormoc: | onetwo, you really don't. it's just telling the kernel that that device uses char number 81 |
| [16:59:53] | onetwo: | what is char? |
| [17:00:04] | tank-man: | character |
| [17:00:40] | onetwo: | I still don't get it – I've been doing this for 20 years and that bit eludes me |
| [17:00:45] | Anduin: | vs block device |
| [17:01:05] | onetwo: | ahah! the penny has dropped. |
| [17:01:36] | kormoc: | "Devices are divided into two types: character devices and block devices. The difference is that block devices have a buffer for requests, so they can choose by which order to respond to them." |
| [17:01:40] | kormoc: | http://www.die.net/doc/linux/lkmpg/node14.html |
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| [17:03:35] | onetwo: | ok, so I have three char 81's I want to load cx88_dvb first because if I don't cx88xx will take over and turn them into analogue v4l devices on video1 for example |
| [17:04:11] | dev: | any of you guys have an idea as to why the starting channel on one of my slavebackends keeps reverting to channel 1 for no reason? |
| [17:04:22] | dev: | ive set it to channel 2 i cant even tell you how many times heh |
| [17:04:31] | dev: | and its just 1 tuner on 1 slavebackend that keeps doing it |
| [17:06:47] | dev: | its a problem because it mysteriously reverts to channel 1, sometimes after backend restarts, or reboots, and when you go to watch livetv it bitches its not in the database as a valid channel |
| [17:06:52] | dev: | i guess i could just add a channel 1 manually... |
| [17:07:29] | dev: | ive shut down all the backends and run mythtv-setup and changed it, still reverts. ive left everything running and changed it, still reverts |
| [17:08:01] | tank-man: | its those gremlins |
| [17:08:07] | dev: | no doubt |
| [17:08:13] | tank-man: | can' tt feed them after midnight or they do that |
| [17:08:18] | dev: | out of all the things that could and have gone wrong this is by far the least important just annoying ;) |
| [17:08:48] | dev: | it seems to only affect livetv too, if recordings go to use the tuner it works fine. but if livetv tries to use it it errors |
| [17:08:55] | dev: | Channel(/dev/v4l/video1): CheckChannel failed. Please verify channel "1" in the "mythtv-setup" Channel Editor. |
| [17:09:04] | dev: | oh well, i'll just add a channel 1 :P easy fix |
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| [17:10:04] | dev: | oh, and was mythcommflag every intended to be ran 5 times simultaneously? |
| [17:10:14] | dev: | it seems to have some problems completeing |
| [17:10:14] | dev: | hehe |
| [17:10:21] | dev: | but only when running 5 at a time |
| [17:10:35] | dev: | they'll get to 99% and hang |
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| [17:11:05] | dev: | dropped cpu usage to 'low', and it seems to work fine. though my dual xeon 2.8ghz should be able to hand high no problem |
| [17:11:12] | dev: | *handle |
| [17:11:39] | dev: | its not an io bottleneck, they're 4x300gig sata2's in raid5 with a adaptec 128meg ddr hardware raid controller |
| [17:11:52] | dev: | 1024k stripe |
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| [17:12:51] | tank-man: | you can set the number of simultanious jobs to run |
| [17:12:56] | dev: | i did. 5. |
| [17:13:07] | tank-man: | i just set it to 1 or 2 |
| [17:13:11] | dev: | the problem is not the jobs, its that they dont complete when set to 'high' cpu usage in mythtv-setup |
| [17:13:13] | tank-man: | the rest will be queued |
| [17:13:14] | dev: | i have 4 tuners |
| [17:13:20] | dev: | want them flagging them on the fly |
| [17:13:34] | dev: | with 1 for reserve hehe |
| [17:13:38] | tank-man: | flagging on the fly uses more resorces |
| [17:13:52] | dev: | its a dual xeon 2.8 thats a dedicated mythbackend |
| [17:13:54] | dev: | it should be able to handle it |
| [17:14:05] | dev: | if an xp3200 can handle 2, this should be able to handle 5 |
| [17:14:28] | tank-man: | i can onnly dream of those clock speeds :) |
| [17:14:40] | dev: | i just checked out latest -fixes and recompiled all the backends so i'll see if it comes up |
| [17:14:43] | dev: | maybe it was already fixed |
| [17:14:50] | dev: | i was many revisions behind, 9878 |
| [17:15:26] | dev: | as long as nothing breaks this weekend i'll be happy |
| [17:15:33] | dev: | it can break all it wants next week. just not this weekend. le mans ;) |
| [17:15:49] | dev: | been having problems with the master backend just dieing out of nowhere |
| [17:16:08] | dev: | of course i enabled all logging and havent seen anything. but this mroning a slave backend just stopped responding |
| [17:16:16] | dev: | but i had the master at latest fixes and the slaves at 9878 |
| [17:16:34] | dev: | so i brought them all up to the same revision heh. |
| [17:16:50] | dev: | i just couldnt do it with the slaves yesterday because they're almost always recording |
| [17:17:11] | scopeuk: | ok dumb question but why continue develope ment on 19.1 when the effort could gointo .20 |
| [17:17:37] | dev: | 0.19.1 will be -fixes |
| [17:17:51] | dev: | its not really 'development', its a maintenance release |
| [17:18:03] | cesman: | what he said |
| [17:18:07] | scopeuk: | fair enough |
| [17:18:15] | cesman: | and 0.20 may still be a ways off |
| [17:18:21] | scopeuk: | fair eough |
| [17:19:31] | dev: | with all the problems i had going from 0.18 to 0.19 i may hold off on 0.20 for a bit when its released hehe |
| [17:19:54] | dev: | i really liked the way livetv worked in 0.19 so i had to update. dont see anything in 0.20 yet thats a must have |
| [17:19:57] | scopeuk: | my upgrade was fairly painless but then again im usign knoppmyth |
| [17:19:58] | dev: | i dont use dvb |
| [17:20:08] | scopeuk: | me either |
| [17:20:25] | dev: | thats the biggest thing ive seen with 0.20 |
| [17:20:36] | dev: | its a must for dvb users |
| [17:20:59] | dev: | my problems with 0.19 were all io related |
| [17:21:15] | dev: | a single drive that 4 tuners recorded to and 4 commflag jobs accessed at a time |
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| [17:21:24] | dev: | or say 3 tuners recording and 3 commflag jobs, then you're watching livetv |
| [17:21:37] | dev: | when top of the our or mid hour would hit it would take several seconds to switch fifos |
| [17:21:44] | dev: | *hour |
| [17:21:57] | dev: | if it even would switch..alot of times it would just lock |
| [17:22:16] | dev: | that problem is long gone with the new hardware hehe |
| [17:23:19] | dev: | not to mention ext3 sucks if you want quickness |
| [17:23:33] | dev: | didnt know that when i first setup the box. yay lessons learnt |
| [17:23:35] | dev: | :) |
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| [18:03:54] | scales: | in order to use lirc, is it necessary to compile it into mythtv? |
| [18:04:18] | kormoc: | yes |
| [18:04:26] | scales: | ahhh |
| [18:04:28] | kormoc: | if you want to use the internal support |
| [18:04:31] | Anduril: | When booting my Debian (testing) Myth box with a PVR-150 I get 'kernel: bttv: disagrees about version of symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog' and several related messages in /var/log/syslog. Does anyone have a solution to this problem? |
| [18:04:45] | scales: | kormoc, i never did that, could that have been my problem? |
| [18:04:53] | kormoc: | yes, it could be |
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| [18:05:22] | scales: | well now i am excited, cant wait to get back and try that. how long does it take to recompile? |
| [18:05:50] | scales: | i suppose it depends on the computer |
| [18:06:25] | scales: | ok well let me ask a different question: i have read a bit about another method which involves irexec or something like that? |
| [18:06:36] | scales: | does that need to be comipled into myth? |
| [18:06:39] | tank-man: | no |
| [18:06:51] | tank-man: | irexec just sends keyboard signals |
| [18:06:55] | tank-man: | works for any app |
| [18:06:56] | scales: | is it a better/easier solution |
| [18:07:01] | scales: | ? |
| [18:07:05] | tank-man: | dunno |
| [18:07:05] | scales: | i see |
| [18:07:14] | tank-man: | same i guess, just different |
| [18:07:40] | scales: | brb |
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| [18:36:10] | scales: | ok back, so would it be a better idea to use it so i could control things like the dvd player or music player in mythtv? or are those things already controlled by mythtv |
| [18:36:46] | scales: | meaning would lirc automatically work for those without further configuration |
| [18:38:29] | xris: | scales: depends on what you use for the dvd player. |
| [18:39:08] | scales: | i am not sure what the default is, i never really set it up it just kinda worked |
| [18:39:09] | xris: | and you'd likely need to build your lirc control and possibly remap some keys in mythtv to unify the controls, since lirc won't be aware of a difference between mythtv's tv viewer and music player... |
| [18:39:30] | xris: | scales: dvd is either myth internal or mplayer. |
| [18:40:26] | kormoc: | xine also will work for dvd playing if you can get the command line right |
| [18:40:35] | scales: | probably is myth internal then? i dont think i chose mplayer, i followed jarod's fedora guide and think i just used what myth was default to |
| [18:40:54] | kormoc: | default is mplayer I beleive |
| [18:41:06] | xris: | scales: depends on what version of myth you're using.. I think internal is only default in svn (if that) |
| [18:41:31] | scales: | while the dvd did start up, it played in french so i still need to find the setting for that. i am using 0.19 i believe |
| [18:44:54] | xris: | scales: if it's mplayer, you'll likely need to build a separate lirc config section for it. |
| [18:45:17] | scales: | i see........... grrrrr |
| [18:46:10] | xris: | sample: http://svn.wilsonet.com/projects/mythtvology/ . . . pgrey-g3.txt |
| [18:46:48] | scales: | well, if i use the lircrc file that i just made for myth, and compile myth to support lirc, myth works, then could i just tweak/alter the lircrc file an not recompile myth? |
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| [18:55:23] | AngryElf1: | hey guys, why is it that when using dvdrip, and I always use the same settings – sometimes it won't grab the preview frame and when I start to transcode it just hangs at Initializing?? |
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| [18:56:43] | xris: | scales: that sample file is to show you how to add mplayer and xine controls to your lircrc file |
| [19:01:29] | scales: | yep got it thanks |
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| [19:03:24] | scales: | i just wanted to test out my current lircrc file before adding controls for xine and mplayer |
| [19:03:48] | scales: | but i guess i will just add them and then compile it |
| [19:04:34] | scales: | how would i change the language that the dvd plays in? could i open mplayer outside of myth, check for the setting, then close it and have it save my settings? |
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| [19:16:27] | stuarta: | evening Juski |
| [19:17:09] | Juski: | evening stuarta |
| [19:17:21] | Juski: | just downloaded the latest devvo vid |
| [19:18:13] | gardengnome: | is that something like vivid? |
| [19:18:37] | Juski: | google for 'devvo' |
| [19:18:39] | Juski: | ;-) |
| [19:19:19] | stuarta: | weren't they a dodgy 70's band? |
| [19:19:29] | Juski: | "Devvo is Darren Devonshire, a "chav" from the Doncaster/Hull area. Devvo lets me follow him around and film his life in exchange for cigarettes, alcohol and small change." |
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| [19:20:17] | Juski: | obviously fake but funny all the same |
| [19:21:02] | Juski: | oops – I think only uk peeps will find it amusing though |
| [19:21:04] | gardengnome: | heh |
| [19:21:22] | stuarta: | i can't bring myself to look at it... |
| [19:21:33] | Juski: | lol |
| [19:22:05] | gardengnome: | stuarta: have you got commit rights to svn just recently? |
| [19:22:17] | stuarta: | how did you guess :) |
| [19:22:41] | stuarta: | about a week & a half ago. |
| [19:22:46] | gardengnome: | stuarta: well, your last checkin broke compilation for me. |
| [19:22:52] | gardengnome: | no, just kidding ;) |
| [19:23:01] | stuarta: | !trout gardengnome |
| [19:23:01] | ** MythLogBot slaps gardengnome with a trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
| [19:23:04] | gardengnome: | stuarta: congratulations, i saw it on -commits ;) |
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| [19:23:12] | stuarta: | thanks |
| [19:23:58] | stuarta: | mainly poking around the eit rewrite & scanning |
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| [19:24:32] | gardengnome: | sounds good. i've really gotta get myself some real dvb hardware |
| [19:25:22] | stuarta: | i need to do some work on the HD stuff |
| [19:25:53] | speedsix: | HD freeview? |
| [19:27:30] | Juski: | yeh gardengnome, _real_ dvb hardware, not the nokia junk ;-) |
| [19:27:31] | stuarta: | yeah |
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| [19:28:09] | stuarta: | speedsix: I can get it, just not quite enough cpu.... :( |
| [19:28:31] | Juski: | has _anyone_ managed to decode it at full frame rate yet? |
| [19:28:37] | speedsix: | really, cool. Is it only on certain transmitters? |
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| [19:28:58] | Juski: | speedsix: only in london, within spitting distance of one mast apparently |
| [19:29:04] | speedsix: | surely anything 3ghz ish will be ok? |
| [19:29:07] | stuarta: | not at full frame rate. that's why we want some funky hardware... |
| [19:29:25] | Juski: | speedsix: if you want like 15fps, 3ghz is fine |
| [19:29:26] | stuarta: | speedsix: amd64 3200 can't manage it |
| [19:29:29] | speedsix: | Juski, ah I see. Not down her in zummzet then? ;) |
| [19:29:43] | speedsix: | stuarta, yikes, I have a 3000 amd64 |
| [19:30:08] | speedsix: | dedicated hardware it is then I take it |
| [19:30:27] | stuarta: | which doesn't exist, apart from in stb's atm |
| [19:30:35] | speedsix: | no |
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| [19:30:40] | Juski: | shame is that nvidia driver guys aren't even entertaining the idea of AVC acceleration in linux yet |
| [19:31:11] | Juski: | but, with purevideo drivers & a windows FE... who knows? |
| [19:31:28] | stuarta: | i need to get around to make xorg7 work on both heads with a bit of acceleration on my ati |
| [19:31:29] | speedsix: | windows frontend bleugh, no ta |
| [19:31:37] | Juski: | heheh |
| [19:32:03] | Juski: | I feel the same way. I mean I can netboot linux.. but windows? not without a huge ramdisk image |
| [19:32:03] | speedsix: | so accelerated gfx cards with linux drivers are going to be thin on the ground then |
| [19:32:25] | stuarta: | next week I reorganize the storage, so I can finally move to amd64 |
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| [19:34:14] | Juski: | hrm this startup script still needs some work. I exit mythfrontend & X closes down :-/ |
| [19:34:25] | Juski: | missing a & I think |
| [19:34:31] | stuarta: | or a while |
| [19:34:55] | stuarta: | actually if you add an & it'll exit straight away |
| [19:35:08] | speedsix: | I haven't heard anything about HD freeview, I take it we're talking a looooong way off? |
| [19:35:11] | stuarta: | maybe use mythwelcome? |
| [19:35:32] | stuarta: | speedsix: yep, it currently undergoing trials |
| [19:35:35] | Juski: | speedsix: yeah it's a looooooooooooong way orf |
| [19:35:51] | stuarta: | analogue switch off comes first |
| [19:36:00] | speedsix: | I assume nvidia/ati will build h.264 decoding into most of their newer chips? |
| [19:36:08] | Juski: | plenty time to wait for cheap hardware though ;-) |
| [19:36:25] | Juski: | speedsix: it's already _in_ newer cards |
| [19:36:31] | speedsix: | I heard anologue switch off is required for HD to happen? |
| [19:36:43] | ** stuarta thought he just said that ** | |
| [19:37:00] | Juski: | I heard that. I also heard that the bandspace is going to the highest bidder |
| [19:37:13] | speedsix: | I wasn't sure if you meant it was actually required |
| [19:37:19] | Juski: | we'll have to wait & see methinks |
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| [19:37:40] | stuarta: | they need the analogue bandwidth for the new muxes required for HD |
| [19:37:49] | speedsix: | I see |
| [19:38:07] | Juski: | they wouldn't if TUTV fucked off (and the shopping/quiz channels too) |
| [19:38:31] | speedsix: | yeah there's so much shite on freeview |
| [19:38:44] | stuarta: | yeah. lets start the campaign for the eradication of shopping channels! |
| [19:38:47] | speedsix: | binned atleast half of them |
| [19:38:49] | Juski: | there's always DVB-S2.. start praying for the linux S2 drivers |
| [19:39:02] | speedsix: | DVB-S2? |
| [19:39:18] | Juski: | like DVB-S but erm.. needing new kit & new drivers |
| [19:39:34] | Juski: | more capacity & stuff |
| [19:39:40] | speedsix: | oh |
| [19:39:41] | stuarta: | next gen dvb-s, again used for HD, since it needs less bandwidth for the same info |
| [19:39:51] | speedsix: | more shopping channels then |
| [19:39:54] | Juski: | aye |
| [19:40:04] | stuarta: | !trout shopping channels |
| [19:40:04] | ** MythLogBot slaps shopping channels with a trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
| [19:40:13] | speedsix: | is this what sky hd uses? |
| [19:40:24] | Juski: | the sad fact is, if nobody used the shopping channels... |
| [19:40:49] | Juski: | implant sentient minds into shopping channel users |
| [19:40:52] | speedsix: | chavs need tv too y'know |
| [19:41:03] | Juski: | they actually call 'Freeview'... |
| [19:41:07] | Juski: | 'Council TV' |
| [19:41:19] | speedsix: | lol yeah I know |
| [19:41:20] | Juski: | though I'd be more inclined to call $ky that |
| [19:41:28] | speedsix: | definitetly |
| [19:41:29] | Juski: | since I can't afford $ky & I work |
| [19:41:46] | speedsix: | I don't think I'd pay for sky even if I were loaded |
| [19:41:58] | stuarta: | all I want $ky for is the rugby, and I can go down the pub for that. |
| [19:42:00] | ** Juski really enjoys winding up Sky TV owners by calling it $ky ** | |
| [19:42:29] | speedsix: | only thing I watched was the simpsons, now I buy the dvds |
| [19:42:35] | gardengnome: | Juski: the vdr guys are already thinking about hdtv and dvb-s2. they favour hardware-decoder solutions and it seems like they'll be some stuff that can do that. i believe they're trying to pressure hauppauge |
| [19:42:45] | Juski: | the commercial director where I work was a manager of the team who came up with $ky Plu$. He's a twat |
| [19:43:07] | Juski: | gardengnome: yeh it's gonna have to be erm... embedded |
| [19:43:34] | Juski: | oops – beer is talking |
| [19:44:23] | speedsix: | does sky hd use dvb-s2? |
| [19:44:34] | Juski: | dunno. |
| [19:44:51] | Juski: | they definitely use AVC though (H.264) |
| [19:45:33] | ** stuarta is poking around lyngsat ** | |
| [19:45:49] | stuarta: | the bbc hd on astra is dvb-s mpeg4 |
| [19:46:02] | Juski: | (for now it is) |
| [19:46:45] | stuarta: | http://www.lyngsat.com/hd/28east.html |
| [19:47:08] | stuarta: | mainly dvb-s2 meg4 |
| [19:47:16] | ** Beirdo grumbles ** | |
| [19:47:30] | Juski: | the conclusion I've reached regarding all the discussion of UK HD is that there's a lot of bullshitting going on about the future – nobody seems to know for sure what the emergent platform/standard will be. I think that it'll be mpeg4/h.264 as a given |
| [19:47:40] | Beirdo: | dammit, where's a camera store in Puerto Rico? |
| [19:47:52] | stuarta: | the airport? |
| [19:47:57] | Juski: | anyway.. going back to my night off |
| [19:47:59] | speedsix: | Juski, and DRM'd out the wazzoo |
| [19:48:17] | Juski: | speedsix: I have high hopes for VDR ;-) |
| [19:48:31] | speedsix: | VDR? |
| [19:48:49] | Beirdo: | stuarta, I mean a REAL camera store ;) |
| [19:49:01] | stuarta: | oooh, discovery hd on astra is in the clear... |
| [19:49:03] | Juski: | mythtv... an open source PVR app which doesn't support software decryption in any shape or form.. and then there's VDR |
| [19:49:08] | kormoc: | Beirdo, google says only CompUSA |
| [19:49:23] | Beirdo: | Google's full of shit |
| [19:49:26] | kormoc: | Beirdo, http://tinyurl.com/pvqye |
| [19:49:30] | Beirdo: | there's gotta be at least one |
| [19:49:52] | ** Juski goes to steal the TV remote ** | |
| [19:49:56] | speedsix: | what's so different about VDR to myth? |
| [19:50:02] | Beirdo: | and trust me, that's not a camera store |
| [19:50:09] | Beirdo: | I was there two days ago |
| [19:50:12] | kormoc: | heh |
| [19:50:18] | kormoc: | What bout say, a phone book? |
| [19:50:18] | Beirdo: | bought a power bar |
| [19:50:23] | Beirdo: | gah |
| [19:50:28] | Beirdo: | how archaic :) |
| [19:50:31] | kormoc: | heh |
| [19:50:41] | Beirdo: | wonder where our phone book is, I know I saw it somewhere |
| [19:50:58] | ** D-side hands Beirdo google ** | |
| [19:51:01] | D-side: | theres your phone book |
| [19:51:10] | ** Beirdo slaps D-side with a google ** | |
| [19:51:41] | Beirdo: | I expect there is at least one in San Juan |
| [19:51:44] | mchou: | Beirdo: http://www.acecam.com/camera-stores-4.html#Puerto Rico |
| [19:51:55] | Beirdo: | yeah, I saw that |
| [19:52:10] | D-side: | Beirdo: oh, you're in PR already? |
| [19:52:12] | Beirdo: | Carlitos looks promising, too bad it's by Mayaguez, and the website is shite |
| [19:52:19] | D-side: | i havent been paying attention at all. :) |
| [19:52:27] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [19:52:27] | Beirdo: | got married here |
| [19:52:33] | D-side: | congrats |
| [19:52:44] | Beirdo: | well, at Catano, PR. Live in Dorado, PR |
| [19:52:49] | Beirdo: | thanks :) |
| [19:53:01] | Beirdo: | got married within a mile of Bacardi's main distillery for the world |
| [19:53:15] | stuarta: | rum anyone? |
| [19:53:23] | xris: | Beirdo: ping, check pm |
| [19:53:25] | kormoc: | didja raid it for the party? |
| [19:53:31] | Beirdo: | if you go there, they give two free drinks |
| [19:53:32] | D-side: | Beirdo: where are you working now? |
| [19:53:32] | gardengnome: | i wonder if there was a pipeline right to the church ;) |
| [19:54:10] | Beirdo: | not working |
| [19:54:25] | D-side: | wow, you're right on the water |
| [19:55:13] | Beirdo: | yeah, our house is about 4–5 miles from the ocean |
| [19:55:23] | Beirdo: | my inlaws are 5 blocks from it |
| [19:55:59] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [19:56:13] | kormoc: | what's with the glowing water on the south side of the island in google maps? |
| [19:57:01] | Beirdo: | the Caribbean is glowing? |
| [19:57:03] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:57:20] | mchou: | kormoc: that's algae |
| [19:57:26] | Beirdo: | there's some luminescent bays down there, but I dunno if google did anything special for them |
| [19:58:03] | kormoc: | http://tinyurl.com/omkcj <-- green glow |
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| [20:08:18] | Beirdo: | kormoc, under where it says "Higuillar" is about where our house is |
| [20:08:47] | kormoc: | ahh, nifty |
| [20:08:53] | kormoc: | out in the wild a bit |
| [20:09:26] | Beirdo: | up a bit in the mountains |
| [20:09:35] | Beirdo: | but not by much |
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| [20:11:47] | kormoc: | nifty |
| [20:11:57] | Beirdo: | nice breeze as always |
| [20:12:11] | Beirdo: | I really need a hammock in the back yard to work at |
| [20:12:18] | kormoc: | heh, yeah |
| [20:12:30] | Beirdo: | with a gazebo overhead |
| [20:12:32] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:12:32] | scales: | when i am supposed to edit a file before recompiling mythtv for lirc, what file do i want to edit? settings.pro? i cant seem to find it |
| [20:12:38] | kormoc: | with your little tropical drink in a coconut and a umbrella |
| [20:12:50] | Beirdo: | yeah, pina coladas rule |
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| [20:25:44] | speedsix: | Any idea why I have a program in the upcoming recordings that says it is currently being record when it's not. Tuners are inactive? |
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| [20:33:17] | scales: | anyone know the yum command to install the lame mp3 encoder? |
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| [20:54:20] | reze: | hi |
| [20:54:50] | reze: | i have a question concerning frontend and backend |
| [20:55:19] | reze: | i just set up mythtv and it looks nice :) |
| [20:55:46] | reze: | but i see the following messages in the mythfrontend console when i switch between the buttons |
| [20:55:47] | reze: | Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 127.0.0.1 |
| [20:55:48] | xris: | scales: yum install lame? |
| [20:55:48] | reze: | 2006-06–16 22:50:53.136 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5) |
| [20:55:48] | reze: | 2006-06–16 22:51:13.137 ReadStringList timeout (quick). |
| [20:55:48] | reze: | 2006-06–16 22:51:13.137 Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION: |
| [20:56:13] | scales: | i tried yum install lame, said there was nothing to do, i just need the mp3 encoder |
| [20:56:18] | scales: | does it come withlame? |
| [20:56:34] | reze: | why this MYTH_PROTO_VERSION-message? I have frontend and backend on the same machine and didn't change the "127.0.0.1" setting anywhere |
| [20:57:00] | xris: | scales: despite its name, lame is an mp3 encoder |
| [20:57:04] | kormoc: | reze, your backend and frontend are different versions |
| [20:57:07] | xris: | do you have lame installed? |
| [20:57:12] | scales: | ah |
| [20:57:14] | scales: | odd |
| [20:57:20] | scales: | i must not have typed it correctly |
| [20:57:27] | scales: | lame is installing :) |
| [20:57:37] | reze: | kormoc: but i only use the gentoo-ebuid it's the 0.19 version |
| [20:57:40] | reze: | no different versions |
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| [20:57:49] | janneg: | reze: are you sure that the backend is running |
| [20:57:54] | scales: | humm |
| [20:57:57] | dev: | TVRec(4): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| [20:57:57] | dev: | 2006-06–16 13:02:01.661 Channel(/dev/v4l/video1): CheckChannel failed. Please verify channel "1" in the "mythtv-setup" Channel Editor. |
| [20:57:59] | dev: | did it again |
| [20:58:00] | dev: | wtf |
| [20:58:03] | scales: | no i did have it right, i must have lame installed |
| [20:58:06] | kormoc: | reze, did you restart the backend? |
| [20:58:10] | dev: | it just reverts to channel 1 for no reason |
| [20:58:14] | reze: | janneg: yes, mythtv-setup also complains about it ;) |
| [20:58:33] | reze: | restart the backend? why? I'll give it a try... |
| [20:59:10] | scales: | so i download mythtv again so i can compile it, and i run ./configure and it says that i need lame mp3 encoder in order to compile |
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| [20:59:31] | Beirdo: | scales: look for libmp3lame |
| [20:59:32] | scales: | sorry "lame encoding library" |
| [20:59:42] | Beirdo: | who knows what your distro packages it as |
| [20:59:49] | janneg: | reze: mythfrontend --version and mythbackend --version |
| [20:59:52] | kormoc: | reze, cause the backend was running the old version and it's still in memory? |
| [21:00:17] | reze: | kormoc: oh no... today I installed myth from scratch |
| [21:00:21] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [21:00:28] | kormoc: | which ebuild? |
| [21:01:11] | reze: | both --version commands show this: Library API version: 0.19.20060121–2 |
| [21:01:35] | reze: | ebuild: media-tv/mythtv-0.19_p9163-r1 |
| [21:01:47] | xris: | scales: lame-devel |
| [21:01:59] | xris: | scales: you need the development headers, not the executable |
| [21:02:26] | kormoc: | reze, you didn't try from source before the ebuild? |
| [21:03:49] | reze: | no ... i think there was an older version of mythtv on the system before ...0.18.xx because I wanted to try MythTv already some months ago but only merged it. Now I emerge sync'ed and updated MythTV |
| [21:04:57] | reze: | do I have to emerge -C mythtv before a new install? %-| |
| [21:05:12] | reze: | eh, before an update, I mean |
| [21:06:11] | kormoc: | you shouldn't |
| [21:06:25] | reze: | don't think so, too |
| [21:07:00] | reze: | perhaps the "ReadStringList timeout (quick)" message before is the key? |
| [21:07:04] | scales: | xris: ok got the right lame, i go to ./configure myth, and i get this ./configure: line 2958: qmake: command not found |
| [21:08:03] | xris: | scales: qt-devel |
| [21:08:42] | kormoc: | reze, that shouldn't affect the proto version being returned |
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| [21:09:59] | scales: | xris: side question, xine and mplayer do the same thing? |
| [21:10:13] | scales: | xine has more options? or vice versa |
| [21:10:29] | kormoc: | they both have different options, not really more or less |
| [21:10:40] | kormoc: | you might want ot just read up about them on their website |
| [21:10:45] | dev: | biggest difference is xine can do dvd menus |
| [21:10:45] | xris: | scales: they're both video player programs... xine : mplayer :: firefox : opera (or something like that) |
| [21:10:54] | scales: | ok |
| [21:10:59] | scales: | ah i see |
| [21:11:02] | xris: | scales: why are you compiling mythtv by hand in fedora? |
| [21:11:06] | scales: | so i should use xine :) |
| [21:11:08] | Juski: | re |
| [21:11:08] | kormoc: | dev, mplayer can mencode |
| [21:11:14] | scales: | humm |
| [21:11:15] | scales: | i see |
| [21:11:19] | kormoc: | mplayer also support win32 codecs |
| [21:11:22] | scales: | to each its own |
| [21:11:25] | xris: | kormoc: so does xine |
| [21:11:28] | dev: | xine supports win32 codesc |
| [21:11:37] | scales: | so use xine more for just dvd playback |
| [21:11:39] | kormoc: | xris, really? I was sure it wasn't done yet. |
| [21:11:46] | kormoc: | nifty |
| [21:11:55] | xris: | kormoc: I didn't know that mplayer did. xine has for years. |
| [21:11:58] | Juski: | who needs win32 codecs? |
| [21:12:05] | dev: | anyone who wants to play .mov heh |
| [21:12:11] | Juski: | blech |
| [21:12:20] | kormoc: | herm, I think that is backwards, mplayer was the first to do win32 codecs I thought |
| [21:12:33] | dev: | mplayer is older |
| [21:12:41] | ** Juski senses a holy war is about to erupt & retreats ** | |
| [21:12:43] | dev: | so therefore yes it did do win32 codecs before xine :P |
| [21:13:13] | xris: | scales: back to the question.. why are you compiling mythtv from scratch? |
| [21:14:08] | kormoc: | dev, that's not always true, sometimes older projects absorb stuff newer projects invent |
| [21:14:38] | dev: | correct |
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| [21:15:27] | kormoc: | so don't claim so :P |
| [21:15:33] | dev: | i only use xines for dvds, mplayer for everything else |
| [21:15:34] | scales: | i have to compile lirc into it......yes? |
| [21:15:49] | scales: | or enable it rather |
| [21:15:56] | dev: | i didnt claim *everything* thats older has the stuff that newer programs do |
| [21:16:01] | dev: | just that mplayer did before xine heh |
| [21:16:12] | dev: | sheesh |
| [21:16:20] | kormoc: | well, how you put it was more akin to. mplayer is older, thus it was first |
| [21:16:25] | xris: | scales: atrpms packages have lirc included |
| [21:16:38] | kormoc: | it's just not really informative |
| [21:16:43] | scales: | i was following a tutorial because i have installed lirc, and made my own .conf file but when i launch myth it doesnt work |
| [21:17:03] | xris: | scales: you need to have an lircrc file configured for your remote, too |
| [21:17:03] | scales: | kormoc told me i should compile it |
| [21:17:10] | scales: | yep i got that |
| [21:17:13] | xris: | !trout kormoc |
| [21:17:13] | ** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a trout on behalf of xris... ** | |
| [21:17:22] | kormoc: | well, I said if it's not compiled with lirc support you need to compile it with lirc support |
| [21:17:28] | scales: | i see |
| [21:17:28] | xris: | ahh |
| [21:17:30] | kormoc: | I have no idea if yours is or not |
| [21:17:33] | scales: | uh huh |
| [21:17:42] | scales: | i did myth through yum |
| [21:17:52] | xris: | scales: I sent you a link to a sample lircrc file. |
| [21:17:56] | scales: | yes |
| [21:18:00] | xris: | you'll have to modify it to fit the buttons on your own remote |
| [21:18:08] | xris: | and put it in ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [21:18:11] | scales: | i had already used irrecord to make my own |
| [21:18:19] | xris: | scales: that's lirc.conf |
| [21:18:19] | scales: | that was the lircd.conf |
| [21:18:21] | scales: | right |
| [21:18:24] | xris: | lircrc is the per-program config |
| [21:18:37] | reze: | oh my god, I can watch TV ! |
| [21:18:40] | reze: | xD |
| [21:18:48] | scales: | then i had already made an lircrc file and placed it in the ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [21:18:53] | scales: | well |
| [21:18:58] | xris: | here is the one I use |
| [21:18:59] | xris: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . mple.mceusb2 |
| [21:19:07] | reze: | what are the keyboard-bindings for zapping channels? |
| [21:19:19] | scales: | just placed it in ~/.mythtv |
| [21:19:46] | Juski: | gardengnome: do you know if there's a xine keymap around for the zenega/s100 ? |
| [21:20:10] | xris: | scales: then it should work |
| [21:20:18] | scales: | xris: i have a lircrc file that i feel would work |
| [21:20:20] | scales: | humm |
| [21:20:21] | xris: | scales: have you tested that lirc itself is working, via irw? |
| [21:20:22] | scales: | yeah |
| [21:20:30] | scales: | and it does get the signals |
| [21:20:37] | scales: | it seems to check out |
| [21:20:43] | scales: | but just not when i start myth |
| [21:20:45] | scales: | now |
| [21:20:47] | scales: | before |
| [21:22:16] | scales: | i started myth, and left -v all, and when i looked in the junk, i found a few lines that said lircd error something about bad format. so i made a new one last night, replaced it, and now when i run myth, the remote doesnt work, but i do not get those same messages in the -v all junk |
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| [21:29:44] | scales: | so are there any other ways i can see what is going wrong? |
| [21:30:02] | scales: | i am not getting anything from mythfronend -v all |
| [21:31:50] | scales: | ah ok wait... |
| [21:33:17] | Anduril: | It seems that there is a conflict between ivtv and bttv when booting my Debian Myth box with a PVR-150. Do I really need bttv? |
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| [21:42:31] | bluef0x: | hey guys |
| [21:42:54] | bluef0x: | i got linux on my computer, i'm excited! but i don't know how to do this step |
| [21:43:38] | bluef0x: | part 6. on wilson's guide... where i have to add a config file for each repository in /etc/yum.repos.d/ |
| [21:43:43] | bluef0x: | i have no idea what that means |
| [21:44:45] | xris: | bluef0x: good beginner text editor is called nano... or you can use gedit if you prefer a gui |
| [21:44:58] | xris: | the yum config files are all just text files |
| [21:45:16] | bluef0x: | but how do i get to that folder |
| [21:45:29] | bluef0x: | i cant figure out how to find that directory |
| [21:45:35] | xris: | wait, nevermind.. he tells you right there how to do it |
| [21:45:48] | bluef0x: | ohhhhhhhh |
| [21:45:52] | xris: | after the first paragraph in #6 there's a list of commands |
| [21:45:55] | bluef0x: | ok |
| [21:46:02] | bluef0x: | i thought i had to go to a folder and do that |
| [21:46:03] | bluef0x: | sorry |
| [21:46:05] | bluef0x: | thanks |
| [21:46:13] | dev: | directory |
| [21:46:22] | dev: | in unix they're directories not folders ;p |
| [21:46:46] | xris: | bluef0x: "cd" stands for "change directory"... like in the old dos days |
| [21:47:06] | kormoc: | dev, well, that depends, kde's konqueror calls them folders :P |
| [21:47:18] | dev: | to help the windows people |
| [21:47:25] | dev: | but the fact remains, in unix they're called directories |
| [21:47:32] | dev: | spin that however you want kormoc :P but thats the way it is |
| [21:47:42] | dev: | its not cf |
| [21:47:43] | kormoc: | actually, I don't think it's speced anyway |
| [21:47:44] | dev: | its cd |
| [21:47:44] | xris: | kormoc: folder refers to the graphical representation of a directory. |
| [21:48:01] | xris: | most people these days use the terms interchangeably, though |
| [21:48:05] | bluef0x: | i got it |
| [21:48:12] | bluef0x: | was a dumb little moment |
| [21:48:19] | kormoc: | fair nuff |
| [21:48:43] | kormoc: | it's just sorta odd to say that it's blah in unix, except in all these different places, they don't count. |
| [21:48:44] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [21:49:08] | bluef0x: | now, how do i check to see if i have xfree86? |
| [21:49:26] | xris: | bluef0x: what version of fedora? |
| [21:49:32] | bluef0x: | 4 |
| [21:49:48] | xris: | then you have xorg, not xfree |
| [21:52:08] | bluef0x: | so should i get the ATI drivers from ati.com? i have 8500LE. or should i try something from GATOS |
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| [21:52:31] | Mattwj2005: | hey anyone ever try and install asterisk on their knoppmyth box? |
| [21:53:00] | xris: | bluef0x: binary drivers are generally better |
| [21:53:14] | xris: | ati in general in linux is a pain in the a$$, though |
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| [21:59:37] | bluef0x: | so GATOS? |
| [22:00:40] | Juski: | lol |
| [22:01:14] | Juski: | anyone ever had problems with a xine keymap overriding an X keymap? |
| [22:02:17] | Juski: | oops my bad. X keymap isn't working |
| [22:02:24] | bluef0x: | wait gatos says its for xfree86 , will it still work with xorg? |
| [22:04:21] | speedsix: | xris, can I pick your brains about mythweb again.. my 'movie' search returns no results for my dvb radio times data |
| [22:06:07] | Juski: | oo mythfrontend segfaulted when I tried to go into the keyboard editor |
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| [22:08:06] | xris: | speedsix: you in the uk? |
| [22:08:45] | xris: | what do you get from: SELECT DISTINCT category_type FROM program; |
| [22:09:14] | speedsix: | yeah I am. Hang on I''ll try |
| [22:10:40] | speedsix: | I get a blank followed by movie and tvshow |
| [22:12:30] | xris: | ok, odd... was under the impression that those followed the language (meaning it should be "film" in the UK) |
| [22:12:40] | xris: | you using svn? |
| [22:12:47] | speedsix: | yeah |
| [22:13:23] | speedsix: | any file I can quickly edit to test? |
| [22:14:19] | speedsix: | We have all converted to american english here now did you not know? ;) |
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| [22:16:29] | Juski: | oh shite. "All ebuilds that could satisfy "x11-libs/libX11" have been masked." |
| [22:18:23] | xris: | speedsix: just set your translation file to use american english |
| [22:20:06] | speedsix: | what do you mean? I've noticed canned_searchs.conf.php uses the phrase 'movie' so I'm confused why it doesn't work |
| [22:21:10] | xris: | my copy here uses t('movie') which tells it to translate |
| [22:21:32] | xris: | speedsix: ok, test this.. go to the mythweb url with: tv/movies |
| [22:21:46] | xris: | (I checked it in a couple of days ago) |
| [22:22:43] | speedsix: | mythweb/tv/movies like this in the url? It just shows my tv guide |
| [22:23:02] | xris: | speedsix: make sure you svn up |
| [22:23:09] | speedsix: | oh righ ok hang on |
| [22:24:34] | Juski: | holy crapola. I have a choice.. I can upgrade to xorg 7.0 or I can upgrade to xorg 7.1 |
| [22:24:38] | Juski: | nice going, gentoo |
| [22:25:12] | speedsix: | xris, http://10.0.0.4/mythweb/tv/movies gives me 'no results found' |
| [22:26:22] | speedsix: | svn'd to 10223 |
| [22:26:55] | Juski: | " Keeping masked so ~arch/arch users move from 6.8.2 to 7.0"... why?! I'm pissed off now |
| [22:27:54] | Juski: | to add insult to injury, the 7.x ebuilds are also masked |
| [22:28:27] | Juski: | so no xmodmap for me then :-/ |
| [22:29:19] | Juski: | which is annoying, because I could install it til the last time I synced |
| [22:31:14] | speedsix: | xris, I fixed it by changing the English_GB.lang file to not translate movie>film. Not sure if this is the best way |
| [22:31:16] | janneg: | Juski: what are you trying to merge? |
| [22:31:49] | Juski: | janneg: xmodmap. got some keys to remap. it was in portage for xorg 6.8.2 last week I think but now it's not :-/ |
| [22:32:05] | janneg: | it's probably a package that exists only for modular xorg |
| [22:32:07] | Juski: | so I have to upgrade to xorg 7.whatever |
| [22:32:28] | Juski: | it worked with 6.8.2 last week I'm sure of it |
| [22:32:58] | janneg: | if there was an ebuild you can get it from cvs |
| [22:33:30] | Juski: | erm... that's a new one for me |
| [22:33:59] | janneg: | the gentoo portage cvs |
| [22:34:18] | janneg: | Juski: but x11-base/xorg-x11–6.8.2-r7 (/usr/bin/xmodmap) |
| [22:34:50] | janneg: | xmodmap is in the old all in one ebuild |
| [22:34:59] | Juski: | ahhh |
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| [22:35:30] | Juski: | right... so why's it not installed this time I wonder... |
| [22:37:04] | janneg: | maybee USE=minimal? |
| [22:37:17] | Juski: | yup |
| [22:37:21] | Juski: | that'd be my guess |
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| [22:41:44] | janneg: | Juski: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-308151-h . . . xmodmap.html |
| [22:42:13] | marmoset: | hey neat, a thread on the ml about the backend 100% cpu thing I keep seeing |
| [22:42:40] | marmoset: | it's nice to not be alone ;) |
| [22:43:07] | Juski: | cheers janneg! |
| [22:43:20] | Juski: | doing an emerge --newuse now |
| [22:44:23] | Juski: | hopefully it'll leave the intel binary drivers intact |
| [22:46:05] | janneg: | Juski: you're welcome. probably. as far as I could see ommitss minimal only the installatin of some stuff |
| [22:47:20] | Juski: | well it's not pulling in office or anything daft |
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| [23:13:33] | grndslm: | for anybody using ivtv drivers, specifically a pvr-150/500....is there any significant benefit with the 0.6.x drivers as opposed to the 0.4.x drivers?? |
| [23:13:53] | Juski: | lol no. 0.6.x are for users of kernels > 2.6.15 |
| [23:14:01] | grndslm: | i am currently using dapper drake, and wondering if the upgrade to the 2.16 kernel would be worth it |
| [23:14:10] | grndslm: | so, there's no benefit of upgrading the kernel |
| [23:14:53] | Juski: | if your box is working, not really |
| [23:14:59] | grndslm: | cool... |
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| [23:16:01] | grndslm: | how do you guys encode analog stations?? in terms of rez, bitrate, etc.?? |
| [23:16:17] | Juski: | full PAL res, <> 2mbits |
| [23:16:41] | Juski: | experiment to see what looks best to you for least disk usage |
| [23:17:11] | grndslm: | how many gigs/hr do you come up with that bitrate? |
| [23:17:20] | Juski: | about 2 |
| [23:17:23] | grndslm: | whew |
| [23:17:33] | Juski: | HDD space is very cheap these days |
| [23:17:37] | grndslm: | aren't tivos around 1?? |
| [23:17:49] | Juski: | no idea |
| [23:18:04] | Juski: | with over 600GB recordings space I can afford it :-P |
| [23:18:12] | grndslm: | i've got lvm setu with damn near a half a tb, but i was hoping to archive more than put shows on dvd....but dvd will prolly be the final route |
| [23:18:31] | Juski: | why bother? ;-) |
| [23:18:42] | grndslm: | do you keep in mpeg-4? |
| [23:19:00] | Juski: | I started out with grand visions of keeping stuff, but on reflection it's really not worth it IMHO |
| [23:20:22] | grndslm: | there's prolly only a couple shows i'd like to archive (that 70s show and boondocks), and they'd prolly be better on dvd anyway.... |
| [23:20:44] | grndslm: | which tuner do you use? |
| [23:21:47] | xris: | grndslm: I archive to dvd... I encode to xvid avi and then burn those to dvd. :) |
| [23:21:58] | grndslm: | what do you use for playback? |
| [23:22:05] | xris: | xine |
| [23:22:14] | grndslm: | any stand alones?? |
| [23:22:15] | xris: | because I'm too lazy to set mythvideo back up |
| [23:22:32] | D-side: | heh |
| [23:22:47] | grndslm: | i'd like my discs to be fairly universal if i take 'em to a friend's house or somethin' |
| [23:23:40] | grndslm: | for conforming to standalone players, keeping 'em in mpeg4 would be best, no? |
| [23:24:03] | grndslm: | so long as they can play dvd-rs.... |
| [23:24:12] | xris: | grndslm: depends on the container format and what kind of mpeg4 you're talking about |
| [23:24:16] | xris: | and what players. |
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| [23:24:25] | Juski: | mpeg2 would be best for standalone players otherwise you will have to recode them to mpeg2 |
| [23:24:55] | grndslm: | myth automatically records in mpeg2 or 4? |
| [23:25:23] | kayelem: | that's another "it depends", isn't it? |
| [23:25:33] | kayelem: | mine records mpeg2 as that's what I get off-air |
| [23:25:40] | Juski: | pvr cards & DVB tuners record mpeg2 |
| [23:26:01] | Juski: | that's what you get over firewire too |
| [23:26:09] | grndslm: | i thought myth used to use nuv? |
| [23:26:10] | Juski: | (from cable boxen) |
| [23:26:17] | Juski: | nah |
| [23:26:21] | xris: | grndslm: nuv is a container format, not a video format |
| [23:26:36] | xris: | software encoders go into nuv containers as rtjpeg or divx video |
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| [23:26:44] | xris: | (divx == mpeg4 for the most part) |
| [23:27:03] | xris: | hardware encoders, dvb, firewire all come in natively as mpeg2 |
| [23:27:10] | Juski: | ach well.. not staying up all night watching X recompile, so night all |
| [23:27:21] | xris: | well, except for the plextor hardware encoder that does mpeg4 |
| [23:27:30] | xris: | later, Juski |
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| [23:28:02] | kayelem: | mmm... there's a hardware encoder that does mpeg4... |
| [23:29:21] | grndslm: | nobody knows what the tivo uses? |
| [23:29:36] | grndslm: | my girlfriend's looks pretty nice for only a gig/hr |
| [23:30:10] | kayelem: | off-air mpeg2 from my DVB-T card is about 1G/hour |
| [23:30:23] | marmoset: | grndslm: what setting does she have it on? |
| [23:30:40] | marmoset: | grndslm: I had my tivo on low quality, which was fine most of the time, and I think that was 1G/hour |
| [23:30:52] | kayelem: | then DVB-T in the UK is heavily compressed and shows artifacts |
| [23:31:04] | marmoset: | the default mpeg2 for a pvr250, which ends up 2.2GB/hr, isn't even comparable to the tivo output |
| [23:31:11] | grndslm: | i couldn't tell ya all that...i just know the playback was extremely impressive....no motion blur like with myth.... |
| [23:31:28] | kayelem: | I'm likely to bolt a wok on a south-facing wall and get a DVB-S card; I gather they compress less |
| [23:31:32] | marmoset: | grndslm: I mean, the tivo output is like 100x better than myth low quality |
| [23:31:34] | marmoset: | er |
| [23:31:35] | marmoset: | heh |
| [23:31:37] | marmoset: | reveruse |
| [23:31:37] | marmoset: | d |
| [23:31:47] | marmoset: | I mean, the myth output is 100x better than the tivo low quality |
| [23:31:58] | marmoset: | I couldn't watch tivo on my 52" tv, it was way too blocky |
| [23:32:25] | kayelem: | I don't see any motion blur with my myth box; was watching motor racing last night and it'd show on that |
| [23:32:45] | marmoset: | grndslm: was it motion blur you were seeing, or interlace stuff? |
| [23:33:08] | kayelem: | I have interlaced DVB-T feed ->interlaced PAL TV so there's nothing odd going on |
| [23:33:24] | grndslm: | i dunno, really...i just know when anything moves, all the outlines of objects get really blocky...like steps |
| [23:33:38] | kayelem: | sounds more like an interlacing issue |
| [23:33:40] | marmoset: | grndslm: be sure you enable deinterlacing on the frontend, and possibly denoising too, IMO it looks better than uncompressed live TV |
| [23:34:03] | marmoset: | (for regular SD) |
| [23:34:29] | grndslm: | kernel or bob is supposed to be the best right....i should just see which one works the best of those 2? |
| [23:34:33] | kayelem: | I get this "combing" effect on moving vertical edges if a) I have deinterlace off and watch on a progressive monitor or b) watch on an interlaced TV with deinterlace on. |
| [23:34:55] | grndslm: | solutions? |
| [23:35:01] | marmoset: | grndslm: yeah, just try them both, I can't remember which is better |
| [23:35:17] | kayelem: | deinterlacing is really for watching on progressive displays, yeah? |
| [23:35:28] | grndslm: | progressive display is what??? an lcd? |
| [23:35:32] | grndslm: | anything other than a tube? |
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| [23:36:44] | grndslm: | so what distros do most of you guys use?? |
| [23:36:46] | grndslm: | fedora? |
| [23:37:13] | grndslm: | i really want a 2.16 kernel because it's got support for the pvr150 |
| [23:37:20] | grndslm: | but i guess if it ain't broke, don't fix it |
| [23:37:39] | xris: | grndslm: 150 works fine in 2.4 |
| [23:37:41] | kayelem: | I've been playing with knoppmyth but I'm going to set up a slackware box; mostly as that's the distro i know best |
| [23:37:55] | Dibblah: | I'm assuming "hondaman" isn't here ;) |
| [23:38:06] | kayelem: | knoppmyth's good for trying things out quickly, ime; but I keep breaking it when i hack about with it. |
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| [23:38:48] | grndslm: | i found knoppmyth lacking in soo many features |
| [23:38:59] | grndslm: | i was too limited/ too focused |
| [23:39:30] | xris: | grndslm: why not just upgrade to the latest ubuntu? |
| [23:39:52] | grndslm: | that's what i'm using...but i wanted to try the 2.16 kernel.... |
| [23:40:02] | grndslm: | i guess i could upgrade it, but i dunno.... |
| [23:40:36] | grndslm: | fedora is going to be built around the 2.16 kernel, whereas dapper will be around the 2.15 kernel....and i read that true 150/500 support didn't come until the 2.16 branch |
| [23:41:10] | xris: | grndslm: you mean 2.6.16? I've been reading that as 2.6 |
| [23:41:33] | grndslm: | yea, my bad...my eyes are a little lazy right now |
| [23:42:18] | grndslm: | anyway....does anybody have a pvr-500?? |
| [23:42:40] | grndslm: | i have a problem when adding my second tuner in the mythsetup |
| [23:43:13] | xris: | grndslm: again, though.. pvr-150 works fine with older kernels.. you just don't get the latest driver. |
| [23:43:18] | gardengnome: | Juski: i haven't seen a keymap for xine yet, but that doesn't mean anything. |
| [23:43:45] | grndslm: | i can get it to work occasionally after repeatedly changing both of the tuners to /dev/video1, but it always reverts to /dev/video0 |
| [23:43:52] | grndslm: | which version of the driver should i get? |
| [23:44:08] | grndslm: | 0.4.2, 0.4.0? |
| [23:44:55] | kayelem: | I've never had any problem upgrading kernels (or patching them heavily) with slackware |
| [23:45:27] | kayelem: | I like it as it uses vanilla kernels, can be handy when you need specific patches for stuff or very recent kernels |
| [23:45:41] | xris: | grndslm: whichever one works best |
| [23:45:46] | grndslm: | wow...i wonder if i'll ever have the balls to patch my kernel heavily |
| [23:46:11] | kayelem: | grndslm, you'd have to if you try using a Linux box for multitrack audio mixing... |
| [23:46:20] | grndslm: | does anybody know for sure which version of the ivtv driver will work best with a pvr-500 |
| [23:47:23] | grndslm: | kayelem, you happen to know if this works with linux? http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/Discontinued/Mia/index.php |
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| [23:50:59] | kayelem: | grndslm, not that I know of – the favourites were M-Audio ones; very well supported as M-Audio worked with the Linux driver devs. |
| [23:52:24] | kayelem: | grndlsm, the one I'm after is this; which works nicely with ardour – http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010-main.html |
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| [23:56:21] | psofa: | the epg guide is stored in the program table only right? |
| [23:56:22] | kayelem: | grndslm, it seems that the Echo Mia might well be supported; it's listed as such in the alsa soundcard matrix |
| [23:56:52] | grndslm: | what kinda software do you use for audio mixing? |
| [23:57:02] | grndslm: | i'd like to put that card to use |
| [23:57:25] | GreyFoxx: | psofa: Yup |
| [23:58:23] | psofa: | kk |
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