Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, June 14th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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sfullenwider:

if you use CATV in then you wouldn't need the second audio-in would you?

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Kelerion:

kormoc, not to hand.. the bios has a surroundview option.. which in theory lets you use the pci-ex card as primary without turning off the onboard.. but when I select it I get nothing (not even post) on any of the screens

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Kelerion:

but I don't even enable that to make it work in xp

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xris:

sfullenwider: correct

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Kelerion:

if I use the pci-ex card as primary then I can't see the onboard.. and if I select the onboard as primary I can see all three heads.. but the drivers seem to refuse to drive the pci-ex card

[00:03:03]

xris:

unless you connect to a cable box via svideo.. or firewire (but you wouldn't even need a tuner card for that)

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Kelerion:

I've even tried mix-matching the radeon and fglrx drivers to drive seperate cards but that just locks the whole system cold

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kormoc:

yeah

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Kelerion:

in fact most combinations locks it cold

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sfullenwider:

in the image the MCE has two CATV but the nonMCE has only one...

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** kormoc nods **

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kormoc:

Kelerion, you can't mix and match nvidia and ati at the same time (for future reference)

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xris:

sfullenwider: you're confusing 500 and 150

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sfullenwider:

nioe

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Kelerion:

you can't? crap

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Kelerion:

there goes my plan of dual-head nvidia and fglrx for the onboard then

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xris:

sfullenwider: then they have the wrong photo

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sfullenwider:

er nope... http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?I . . . d+%2D+Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?I . . . 6%2D625%2D04

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sfullenwider:

%2Ejpg%2C15%2D116%2D625%2D05%2Ejpg%2C15%2D116%2D625%2D06%2Ejpg%2C15%2D116%2D625% 2D07%2Ejpg%2C15%2D116%2D625%2D08%2Ejpg%2C15%2D116%2D625%2D09%2Ejpg&CurImage= 15%2D116%2D625%2D03%2Ejpg&Description=Hauppauge+WINTV%2DPVR%2D150+PCI+Interf ace+Tuner+Card+%2D+Retail

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xris:

sfullenwider: tinyurl

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kormoc:

Kelerion, well, in theory you might via the radeon driver, but no opengl

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kormoc:

Kelerion, and I wouldn't consider it stable

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sfullenwider:

sorry sorry, didn't realize those would be so huge

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kormoc:

Kelerion, you can get a pci nvidia card and go that way

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Kelerion:

thats an ida

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Kelerion:

idea

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kormoc:

Kelerion, that's how I ran my quad head setup for awhile

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xris:

sfullenwider: odd. thought my 150 only had one connector. anyway, single tuner means that it's in->out not 2 x in

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kormoc:

3 lcd monitors and a tv

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Kelerion:

at this point I'd be prepared to pay someone to do this with the ATI cards.. it'd probably work out cheaper than buying new nvidia cards

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Kelerion:

I hate the fact I have a beautiful triple head setup on my screen and at the moment I'm looking at two of them working

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kormoc:

I'd love to play with it, but I think I'm a bit far from ya

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Kelerion:

on my desk even

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kormoc:

Kelerion, care to pastebin a modinfo fglrx?

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Kelerion:

I'd pay ya to ssh in and try it

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Kelerion:

http://pastebin.ca/65318

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** kormoc laughs **

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sfullenwider:

does the 150 have an mpeg encoder chip?

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kormoc:

I forgot about how fglrx doesn't export any of it's parms...

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kormoc:

sfullenwider, yes, it does indeed

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sfullenwider:

so it should be able to record something from cable without using any significant CPU resources?

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Kelerion:

that line looks a tad empty

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kormoc:

it does

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kormoc:

Kelerion, hrm?

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xris:

sfullenwider: yes

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Kelerion:

the parm line in the pastebin... is't that what you meant?

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xris:

sfullenwider: no digital cable for you?

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** Kelerion just shuts up.. lol **

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sfullenwider:

not yet. I may get digital cable later though

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xris:

sfullenwider: might be worth thinking about it now... digital cable means firewire and no need for a tuner card

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xris:

well, high def digital cable

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sfullenwider:

well, it may be awhile...like >9 months.

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xris:

sfullenwider: then just ignore me. :)

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sfullenwider:

i'm too greedy to wait that long.

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sfullenwider:

is the only difference between the 150 and the 500 a catv out?

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Juski:

bloody scheming paypal dodgers!

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biffhero:

when I want to import a DVD, I put it in the front end to import, right?

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sphery:

right

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sphery:

MythDVD (and all the other plugins) is frontend-only

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Kelerion:

there.. thats better

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Juski:

oo my own bank is cheaper than Western Union

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Kelerion:

and it does internal transfers?

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Kelerion:

international

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Juski:

yep

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Juski:

smile :-)

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Kelerion:

neat :)

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biffhero:

sphery, thanks. I was getting the error message about 'no dvd', but now it shows me the rip menu. woo hoo.

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Kelerion:

kormoc: if you've got time I'd really appreciate you having a look at it

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kormoc:

Kelerion, Yeah, I will when I get home from work (still at work)

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Kelerion:

ok – thanks :)

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biffhero:

<sphery> MythDVD (and all the other plugins) is frontend-only <<< does that mean that the file(s) will be stored on the frontend, so that only that one frontend can watch the movies?

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Kelerion:

finally got around to finishing my myth setup again today.. it's been off for a week because I didn't have time to fix it.. so be *shudder* watching live tv all week

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Kelerion:

sod knows how much stuff I've missed

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Juski:

secure message sent to my bank. great way to do banking, that

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Kelerion:

yup.. I do all my banking on line.. so much simpler

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Juski:

it's still a bloody rip-off to send money abroad

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Kelerion:

might have been cheaper if he has a paypal account

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Juski:

if he wanted to use paypal he could've got in touch about it

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Kelerion:

true

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Juski:

it's not like they take a _huge_ cut anyway – I can never understand why people insist on xfers

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Juski:

I suppose banks are more accountable

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Juski:

paypal just never want to know (almost)

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Kelerion:

less likely to be fradulent I suppose

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biffhero:

definitely safer. checks / cheques / money orders can be so iffy.

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Kelerion:

plus a bank transfer.. theres no credit involved on your part.. so less likely to go wrong

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Juski:

I could look the guy up on google earth & send laga round

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Kelerion:

you know.. my mortgage won't even let me ring them up and pay by credit card

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Kelerion:

"we can't do that! thats using credit to pay for credit!"

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** Juski posts laga's brand new baseball bat in his lunchbreak tomorrow **

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kormoc:

Kelerion, so ask them if it's okay to take a cash advance and pay that way

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Kelerion:

lol

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Kelerion:

they'd do that

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Kelerion:

whenever I ring them up I have to pay by debit card

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Juski:

god if my mortgage payments were left up to me I'd be out on the street by now

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Kelerion:

but.. if I say to them "nothing in the bank till next week" they say "send us a post-dated check then" ... crazy

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Juski:

going back to ebay though – I never buy anything with money I'll miss too much

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Kelerion:

I started getting in trouble about a year ago with that... I ended making my wife a deal.. bills first.. whatever is left over is play money

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

I'm gonna start over-paying the mortgage next year

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Juski:

when my car's all paid off :-)

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Kelerion:

that way it's up to me to work harder.. get more money in.. then I have play money.. lol

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Kelerion:

except I've just done that and now she wants to go on hols.. am sure it was a scam

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Kelerion:

they're sneaking those wives

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Juski:

snakes wi'....

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Juski:

the lot of em ;-)

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Kelerion:

yup..lol

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Juski:

some (thankfully) less than others though

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Juski:

anyway – finance done... time to sleep – start earlier at work & get home earlier to play with my hardware

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Juski:

nighty night y'all

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Kelerion:

I saved a bird from one of my dogs tonight.. my wife's insisted we look after it.. so it's in a box in my office.. I can hear it shuffling about

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Juski:

heh

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Kelerion:

g'night :)

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Juski:

we've got our Monkeh & that's enough (pesky bugger leaving crisp dust everywhere)

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Juski:

niiiight

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Kelerion:

he has a monkey???

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riddlebox:

hrmm if I upgrade from one ubuntu version of mythtv to another, and I reinsert the database, everything should be fine right?

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Kelerion:

in theory

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riddlebox:

Kelerion, I am getting a bunch of errors when I try to update my channel database

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Kelerion:

pastebin 'em

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riddlebox:

ok hold on

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riddlebox2:

Kelerion, here it is http://pastebin.com/707702

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Aid`:

:) i found my video card with S-Video

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biffhero:

so, for any DVDs or movies that are shared, they aren't streamed and stored on the backend by the frontends, right? We are expected to provide a network share for the frontends to write to, and read from, correct?

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Kelerion:

riddlebox: I presume it upgraded mysql at the same time?

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riddlebox:

it didnt say it did, but I am not totally sure, before I did it I followed the directions on how to backup the database

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riddlebox:

and my permissions were off after the upgrade, so I reinserted my .sql file I made

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Aid`:

i had to run 1 mile with my video card in my left hand

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Kelerion:

which version of mysql is it running?

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riddlebox:

5.0.21-Debian_3ubuntu1

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Kelerion:

which version of myth?

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riddlebox:

mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.21, for pc-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.1

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Kelerion:

yup.. which version of myth?

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Kelerion:

am betting 18.1

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riddlebox:

yeah it is a version of it

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riddlebox:

an ubuntu version

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Kelerion:

try: mythbackend --version

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riddlebox:

0.18.1.20050510–1

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Kelerion:

I'm not sure about this.. someone will probably correct me.. but I don't think 18.1 and mysql 5 work together properly

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riddlebox:

that sucks

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Kelerion:

mysql 5 does work with 19-fixes though I think

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riddlebox:

o.19 now?

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riddlebox:

so I wonder if I can downgrade mysql then

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Kelerion:

thats what I'd try

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kormoc:

right

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kormoc:

if you are going to downgrade mysql

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kormoc:

dump the db first

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Kelerion:

apt-get install mysql-server-4.1

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riddlebox:

dump mythconverg?

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Kelerion:

yup

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

mysqldump

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kormoc:

it's a way to backup the data

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riddlebox:

I have done that already from the mythtv website

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riddlebox:

I have a .sql file as a backup

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Kelerion:

good good

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kormoc:

sounds good

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kormoc:

but yeah, 0.19 is out, and 0.19.1 will be out "soonish"

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riddlebox:

but if I have any other databases I need to back those as well

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kormoc:

ubuntu is just behind the times

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

you really should

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riddlebox:

and I couldnt get it to compile the source version either

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kormoc:

downgrading mysql engines are not... the best in terms of data reliability

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Kelerion:

riddlebox: apt-get build-dep mythtv (installs all dependencies – makes compiling it easy)

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riddlebox:

do I have to do it in the source for 0.19?

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Kelerion:

do you have to do what?

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riddlebox:

it says unable to find source package mythtv

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Kelerion:

ahh.. your missing the src repos then

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riddlebox:

which ones do I need then?

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riddlebox:

think I found it

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riddlebox:

yup :) thats alot of stuff to install

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Kelerion:

this is mine: http://pastebin.com/707733

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Kelerion:

ahh okies

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Kelerion:

good good

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Kelerion:

mine might be overkill.. but it works

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riddlebox:

can I upgrade just by compiling the newest source then? or do I have to remove what is installed now?

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Kelerion:

you can just overwrite it .. but remember to set the --prefix=/usr

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AngryElf:

you shouldn't have to remove it

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Kelerion:

apt-get installs there

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Kelerion:

./configure usually installs to /usr/local

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riddlebox:

cool

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riddlebox:

thats wierd I upgraded asterisk from sources as well tonight, but I issued the same apt-get build-dep asterisk command and it came up with a ton of stuff to install as well

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Aid`:

i have this TV card that has a TV-OUT it is circular like Svideo but the cable doesn't fit it

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Agrajag-:

does a ps2 mouse plug fit into it?

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Aid`:

why would you ask such a thing?

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riddlebox:

just a question

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Aid`:

well it says TV-OUt

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Agrajag-:

because i had an nvidia card that had a plug like that and i couldn't find the original plug that came with it, so i got an old mouse, pulled the cord off it and stuck those other connectors on the end and it works

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Aid`:

and its on my video card

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Aid`:

oh i thought you said play station 2

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Agrajag-:

"ps2 mouse" :P

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Zider:

"ps/2"

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Aid`:

no it doesnt

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Aid`:

its a 3DForce2MX-TV if that rings a bell

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Agrajag-:

hmm i guess you'll have to find the original plug that came with it :P

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Aid`:

i bought it second hand

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Kelerion:

normal svideo is 4 pins.. I'm betting yours is 7

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Aid`:

9

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Aid`:

:/

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Agrajag-:

http://www.amabilidade2002.com/plugsjacks22.htm one of them?

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Aid`:

looks like 8

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Aid`:

but the middle row has 4 not 3

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Kelerion:

a vivo socket

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Aid`:

the hell is that?

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Aid`:

sorry for language

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Kelerion:

http://pcclub.com/product_details.cfm?itemno=A9654004

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Aid`:

yipes lol

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Aid`:

maybe i can find it in a radio shack

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Kelerion:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VGA-VIVO-Connector-9-Pin- . . . cmdZViewItem

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Aid`:

it takes a whole week for my paypal to clear :x

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Kelerion:

oh well.. at least you know what your looking for :)

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Aid`:

yea thanks

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Aid`:

im hoping walmart or radio shack have it

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AngryElf:

does mythtv have any icons?

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Kelerion:

Aid` doesn't look like it from their websites

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Kelerion:

what type of icons?

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Kelerion:

program icons, channel icons

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AngryElf:

for my lame-ass button on my desktop

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AngryElf:

for mfe

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Kelerion:

ahh.. don't think so

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AngryElf:

the stupid KDE gear thing is pissing me off

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Kelerion:

make one :)

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Aid`:

yeah Kelerion ill just have to wait a few weeks to get it

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AngryElf:

i just might

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Kelerion:

Aid` not got a different card you can use till then?

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Aid`:

Kelerion: not one i can hook to my tv :S

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riddlebox:

man compiling takes foreeve

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riddlebox:

r

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Aid`:

if you can find one for instore pickup for either walmart or radio shack <3

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Aid`:

loaidng sites take forever on dialup

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Aid`:

Kelerion: is that what you mean? a video card that can go to tv. do i have one of those?

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Kelerion:

yup

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Aid`:

this is the only one i got

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Kelerion:

AngryElf: simple.. I just did it.. grab the logo from the mythtv.org site.. cut out the background.. copy the logo to a new transparent background.. save as png.. bingo :)

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** Kelerion made his first linux icon.. woohoo! **

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AngryElf:

mail it to me :)

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AngryElf:

better yet, put it on the wiki

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Kelerion:

it'd need tidying up

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Kelerion:

it's all do-able in gimp.. give it a shot

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Aid`:

so far when i started building my myhtv i've had all the parts i need to get this far... but i may now have to go out and buy something *shudder*

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AngryElf:

Aid`, what distro?

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Aid`:

debian sarge

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AngryElf:

wait, nvm, they fixed that prob

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m13a8:

hey i couldn't find a changelog on mythtv.org, is there anything worth updating to in .19.1?

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Aid`:

gah $38.76 is the cheapest card i can get

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AngryElf:

what is .19.1?

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AngryElf:

i'm looking at the DL page and it's still .19

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m13a8:

i checked my yum repo and evidentally there's 0.19.1

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m13a8:

mythtv i386 0.19–129.rhfc5.at atrpms 472 k

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AngryElf:

i'd trust the myth DL page over a repo

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AngryElf:

that's not .19.1

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AngryElf:

that.s 0.19 – and some crazy version of the package built for it

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m13a8:

ah

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m13a8:

well

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AngryElf:

it took em 129 times to get it right

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m13a8:

lol

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m13a8:

you think it's worth updating to?

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AngryElf:

no – cause it'll have no changes from myth, and might break your setup

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Aid`:

is it better to watch mythtv on your monitor or tv

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m13a8:

ahah, now, i installed from yum, now in the next version or something will it be ok to install that from the source?

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riddlebox:

Kelerion, is it safe to install with ./configure make make install?

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Kelerion:

nope

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Kelerion:

./configure --prefix=/usr if your upgrading from an apt-get version

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riddlebox:

ohh well I did that

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Kelerion:

do the make then

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m13a8:

Kelerion, you said apt-get version, i'm assuming the same if i'm upgrading from a yum version?

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riddlebox:

ok I thought that on the website it said something like qmake or something

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Aid`:

anyone here use ebay?

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Aid`:

'immediate payment required' is it okay if it takes 5–6days for my paypal payment to clear. or is that not immediate enough?

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Kelerion:

m13a8: closest thing to changelog might be this: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/query?status=close . . . lestone=0.19

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Kelerion:

Aid.. they mean make the payment.. they'll get notification immediately that it's cleared or not

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Aid`:

oh they just want a

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riddlebox:

well thanks for the help Kelerion

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riddlebox:

good night

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Kelerion:

g'night

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Aid`:

they jsut want to know they'll be paid?

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Kelerion:

yup

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Kelerion:

m13a8: if yum installs it in /usr then yes

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m13a8:

Kelerion, alright, thanks

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m13a8:

mmm get me some

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Kelerion:

pfft! I don't share my coffee!! or my beer! lol

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m13a8:

:( fine...i'll go get my OWN coffee...coffee so strong it goes *crunch*!

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** Kelerion laughs **

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m13a8:

back

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Kelerion:

is your spoon standing up by itself?

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m13a8:

i call this my twitchy brew. extra strong coffee made from Deadman's Reach grounds found at http://www.ravensbrew.com

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m13a8:

that wasn't smart...

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m13a8:

lets just say now i have to go fill my cup back up again

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thechris:

what non-gentoo distros are people using with mythtv? i can't get ivtv 0.4.5 or ivtv 0.6.2 to work. (2.6.15 and 2.6.16 repspectively)

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Kelerion:

ubuntu here

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m13a8:

fedora core 5

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thechris:

do either have working pacakges for ivtv, mythtv?

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Kelerion:

I compiled ivtv.. but it was a no-brainer

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thechris:

yeah, ivtv isn't too bad. it would be nice to see some distro testing for it though.

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thechris:

what about packages for current versions of mythtv

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marmoset:

thechris: knoppmyth and plain old debian

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Kelerion:

18.1 is there

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Kelerion:

but I run svn

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thechris:

hmm. it just seems like there aren't any good options for my specific needs. debain uses 3rd party reps for its useful pacakges, but that never works for me.

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thechris:

ubuntu was unstable last time i used it

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thechris:

and FC has never installed for me. i always get a white screen of death

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marmoset:

thechris: are you needing the machine to do somethign else as well as myth?

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marmoset:

if not, knoppmyth is pretty painless :)

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thechris:

yeah, i'm having it be my server. apache, svn, ssh

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marmoset:

ah

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marmoset:

ok

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marmoset:

that's tougher

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thechris:

md, unionfs

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marmoset:

thechris: I'd say use debian and compile by hand, but that's just me

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m13a8:

thechris: i'd do almost the exact opposite and go with fc5 and use yum, compiling by hand is probably better though

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thechris:

i may look into fc5. its like 4 cd though. and fc3, fc4 did not install

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marmoset:

unix: providing hundreds of ways to do the exact same thing.

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Kelerion:

and I'd use ubuntu and run svn :) everyone has their preference

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Kelerion:

exactly

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marmoset:

:)

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m13a8:

that's why i love unix

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marmoset:

the reason I prefer debian is that it doesn't really tie itself to the kernel, so you're less stuck with distro provided drivers

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marmoset:

but you have to be comfortable with building your own kernels to take advantage of that

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thechris:

i have a feeling once i get mythtv set up on another distro, i will not be able to install something else.

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marmoset:

(and want to spend the time)

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Kelerion:

ok.. here's one:

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Kelerion:

8 13 12

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Kelerion:

15 11 7

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Kelerion:

10 9 ?

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Kelerion:

whats the missing number? and it ain't 14

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m13a8:

the missing number is the sidways 8

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marmoset:

haha

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kormoc:

Kelerion, 14 fits the puzzle

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Kelerion:

but it's wrong :)

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Kelerion:

it's a quiz on TV at the moment

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thechris:

i'm sure there are plenty of "correct" answers

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kormoc:

not if it's sudoku

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marmoset:

haha

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thechris:

thats normally the issue with pattern matching based upon limited datasets

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Kelerion:

the only clue is that the missing number is one thats already in the grid

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marmoset:

so is it possible in myth to bind a lirc button to a script, so like I could have a button to press to show a random video?

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thechris:

actually, sudoku puzzels can be made to have more then 1 solution...

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kormoc:

thechris, sure, but that one doesn't seem to

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Kelerion:

ok .. the quiz show screwed up!! the caller that said 14 was right! lol

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Kelerion:

they just called him back up and give him the cash

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kormoc:

Kelerion, heh, you just have to add up the 4 rows that are complete, and you get the answer to solve the incomplete rows

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Kelerion:

I know.. they did 3 different grids before hand.. all working the same way...

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Kelerion:

5 rows.. works diagonally too

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kormoc:

ahh, yeah, indeed

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thechris:

my favorite quotes from bash.org are the ones where people say: "imagine someone who is of average intelligence. half of americans are below that"

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thechris:

then someone say "why half"

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thechris:

and everyone thinks its so funny

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thechris:

never realizing the difference between average and median...

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Kelerion:

kormoc: you got mins to have a crack at this?

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kormoc:

sure

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m13a8:

lol

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m13a8:

(that was a supportive 'lol' i'm far too drugged up on caffeine to think clearly)

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m13a8:

Kelerion: have you heard of phase change cooling or whatever it's called?

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WAR_CH|LD:

yeah

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m13a8:

that's some awesome stuff right there isn't it

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CyberKnet:

and if we had 10 g's to drop on it, we'd all have it =)

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m13a8:

pssshhhh this kit is only $1700 :-p...wait...that's more than my whole computer

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m13a8:

but hell -36 degrees celsius?...that's awesome

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Kelerion:

heard of it.. but don't know anything about it

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m13a8:

it uses a refrigerant that evaporates extremely fast, i think, i don't know how it works i just know that it will keep stuff more than cold

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achew22:

does anyone know what the ebuild for QT3 is?

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achew22:

"=x11-libs/qt-3" isn't working for me

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sphery:

biffhero: (In case you check back logs...) Yes. Once you rip a DVD, you'll have to make the rip available to all frontends (i.e. through NFS/CIFS); otherwise it can only be played on that one frontend.

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biffhero:

sphery: thanks, scp'ing it over to the main backend now, and have set up samba to share those files to the front ends

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achew22:

biffhero: did you get dvd ripping setup?

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biffhero:

achew22: I don't know. I have a .iso file, i have to scp it over to the server still, and try to play it

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biffhero:

can myth play a .ISO file?

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Agrajag-:

that's a cd image file.. you can mount it or burn it to a cd

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biffhero:

Agrajag-: funny you should say that. My experience has always been that a .iso file is also an image of a CD. However, this is what appeared when I used mythdvd to rip a DVD tonight. does mythdvd take care of mounting / playing it?

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Kelerion:

mplayer might be able to play it.. or xine

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Kelerion:

but normally you'd mount it

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dev:

kormoc: you remember that 6 digit program id problem i had the other day, turned out to be varchar on the programid table was set to 6? well check this out, now mythweb shows the correct 10digit program ids for upcoming recordings, but once they're recorded, if i go into program details in mtyhfrontend its got a 6 digit program id listed there

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biffhero:

so, does myth tell the back end to mount it and play it? The WAF won't be all about logging in to things and mounting them.

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dev:

kormoc: are these listed in another table i might have a 6digit varchar on as well? heh

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kormoc:

recorded and oldrecorded likely

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dev:

ahh

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Kelerion:

biffhero: I don't think it'll automount it for you

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dev:

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dev:

hjkdsahfkafdws~!

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dev:

twas it, thanks again, bleh, stupid varchar

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kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

make sure to check oldrecord as well

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dev:

i did, was set to 6 in there too ;/

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dev:

wish i knew how this happened

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awa64_:

OK... so, big problems with my attempt at installing KnoppMyth.

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awa64_:

I'm a complete linux newbie, so I really don't have too much knowledge to work on here.

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awa64_:

Tried using the standard KnoppMyth installer. Installed, no errors, and I know the partition was there.

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awa64_:

(Ubuntu and the Windows installer both saw proper partitioning.)

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awa64_:

But when I tried to boot, no dice.

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awa64_:

It wouldn't even give me a bootloader. It just sat there at the end of the POST screen, not doing a damn thing.

[04:23:18]

awa64_:

I tried going back in and doing a manual install, but still nothing.

[04:23:46]

awa64_:

I tried messing with the partiitoning, and it says HDA is read-only. (Which I'm pretty sure it's not.)

[04:23:56]

awa64_:

I try wiping the MBR, and it STILL says it's read-only.

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biffhero:

you are correct, ripping a dvd to .iso, and then putting it in the myth video directory, but it didn't play. seems that the play app simly hands the filehandle off to maplyer, and hope that mplayer can figure out wha t to do with it.

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Agrajag-:

why don't you just mount it?

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biffhero:

awa64_ that's odd. the bootloader isn't a hard thing to get right. I installed knopmyth just a few days ago, and it worked fine.

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awa64_:

Yeah--it's weird. Everyone I've talked to has been pretty much stumped.

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awa64_:

And while I'm pretty sure it's not a hardware issue, because a Windows re-install worked perfectly fine, it's not exclusive to KnoppMyth--a similar thing happened when I tried to run OSX86.

[04:25:50]

achew22:

I know in mythdvd there is an internal player. Is there one of those for mythvideo?

[04:26:54]

biffhero:

achew, will look for it.

[04:26:54]

biffhero:

awa64_: yeah, if windows can get the mbr right...

[04:27:12]

awa64_:

yup.

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[04:27:33]

** awa64__ shrugs **

[04:27:41]

awa64__:

Any ideas?

[04:27:50]

mchou:

awa64__: do this as root: "hdparm -I /dev/hda"

[04:28:01]

mchou:

awa64__: post results in pastebin

[04:28:02]

achew22:

mchou: i don't think he is in windows

[04:28:07]

achew22:

err... I don't think he is in linux

[04:28:18]

awa64__:

I have an Ubuntu live-CD I could use.

[04:28:23]

achew22:

do that then

[04:28:37]

mchou:

awa64__: sure, use that

[04:28:40]

achew22:

is it booting from cd?

[04:28:44]

kormoc:

awa64__, hda is writeable in other distros?

[04:29:19]

awa64__:

It is in Windows. All I've got is live-CDs for current Linux stuff, so not all that sure on how writable HDA really is.

[04:29:41]

kormoc:

Can you boot into some live cds and see if perhaps windows is the only os that can write to it?

[04:29:43]

awa64__:

I tried wiping the MBR through Ubuntu, though, so it seems to have worked.

[04:29:47]

biffhero:

oh, I just thought of something. I think that the knopmyth installer is only able to do an install to /dev/hda. are you sure you have the hard drive on /dev/hda, and not on /dev/hdb or somewhere else?

[04:30:09]

awa64__:

I've got a hard drive on /dev/hda and /dev/hdb, but I'm definitely trying the hda one.

[04:30:09]

mchou:

biffhero: bingo!

[04:31:06]

awa64__:

my hda is 20gb, and hdb is 80gb. I've been trying the 20gb one every time.

[04:31:31]

mchou:

awa64__: just put hdparm results in pastbin

[04:31:41]

awa64__:

I shall, once Ubuntu boots. (God, this thing is slow.

[04:31:43]

biffhero:

unpluug the one on /dev/hdb, only have the CD and the /dev/hda plugged in for the mythtv knopmyth install.

[04:31:57]

achew22:

awa64__ go make yourself some coffee... ubuntu's live cd is very slow

[04:32:18]

mchou:

It's much more likely knoppmyth claims the cdrom as /dev/hda :)

[04:33:04]

mchou:

especially if you booted knoppmyth live from cd.

[04:33:18]

awa64__:

I did, buuuuut... like I said, I had the same issue installing OSX86.

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awa64__:

and Ubuntu Live's got the startup chime. Only five minutes to go.

[04:35:03]

mchou:

it's also possible you werent root after you booted knoppmyth, so there was no write perm to /dev/hda

[04:35:27]

awa64__:

it's possible. Not sure how I'd do that, though.

[04:36:15]

achew22:

mchou: but it did the same thing for osx86.

[04:36:23]

achew22:

I doubt apple's installer would do that

[04:36:26]

awa64__:

quick question--is pastebin another channel?

[04:36:35]

Kelerion:

www.pastebin.com

[04:36:39]

Kelerion:

or www.pastebin.ca

[04:36:44]

awa64__:

ah. OK.

[04:36:47]

achew22:

there are a million of them

[04:37:27]

achew22:

did anyone else just get a global notice?

[04:37:32]

Kelerion:

yup

[04:37:41]

Kelerion:

thought they were just picking on you?

[04:37:41]

achew22:

is it referring to a server bug or a client bug?

[04:37:55]

biffhero:

<awa64__> I did, buuuuut... like I said, I had the same issue installing OSX86. <<< I could see apple making the call that /dev/hda has to be the hard drive of install, and/or the _only_ installed hard drive. they are so used to having the hardware just like they spec it (in the factory), that they might do that for their osx86 installer

[04:38:05]

achew22:

Kelerion: they are staggered on large servers. I know all bout that I used to run a irc server.

[04:38:54]

achew22:

biffhero: i've used apples installers before (granted not for x86) but they still prompted for the drive I wanted to install on

[04:38:58]

awa64__:

They offer multi-HDD systems, though.

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awa64__:

hdparm -I /dev/hda

[04:39:53]

awa64__:

is that an l or an I?

[04:39:59]

achew22:

try both

[04:40:03]

awa64__:

(L or i)?

[04:40:07]

achew22:

if it errors then you know you did something wrong

[04:40:09]

mchou:

I as in I am

[04:40:17]

awa64__:

OK, cool.

[04:40:19]

awa64__:

Running now.

[04:40:43]

achew22:

damn that saxaphonist is good

[04:40:52]

k-man_:

is there any talk of when 0.20 might be out? or is it still in the heavy dev. phase?

[04:41:09]

mchou:

k-man_: what's the big hurry?

[04:41:18]

achew22:

k-man_: not my answer but I always get the response of "when they are done"

[04:41:19]

k-man_:

no hurry

[04:41:24]

k-man_:

yeah

[04:41:30]

k-man_:

i know

[04:41:37]

k-man_:

i was just wanting some sort of progress update

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k-man_:

thats all

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achew22:

you can look at the progres thingy

[04:41:56]

mchou:

k-man_: lol

[04:42:03]

k-man_:

more a sort of "how is it going?" question than a "i need it now" statement

[04:42:19]

achew22:

k-man_ one sec I'll give you the link

[04:42:21]

awa64__:

pastebin.com/707944

[04:42:21]

mchou:

k-man_: go ask on the dev channel then

[04:42:34]

k-man_:

i'm scared of the dev channel

[04:42:40]

achew22:

k-man_: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/milestone/0.20

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[04:42:49]

achew22:

and the dev channel does bite....

[04:42:53]

awa64:

yay, got rid of the underscore!

[04:43:03]

achew22:

yay.... but most people use tab so it shouldn't have mattered

[04:43:32]

achew22:

awa64: if you register your nick with nickserv you can ghost your account when I get kicked off the server without sending a quit command

[04:43:48]

awa64:

I know that--I'm registered on a few other IRC servers.

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achew22:

awa64: good to know — your not a complete irc newb

[04:44:39]

achew22:

awa64 how is that pastebin comming?

[04:44:45]

k-man_:

achew22, thanks

[04:44:46]

awa64:

I posted the link a few lines up.

[04:45:01]

k-man_:

it would be nice of they had a sort of graph over time of open vs closed tickets

[04:45:01]

awa64:

http://pastebin.com/707944

[04:45:07]

mchou:

awa64: looks fine to me. now boot live from knoppmyth cd and do the same thing

[04:45:17]

awa64:

ok

[04:46:20]

awa64:

that mean boot as frontend?

[04:46:52]

achew22:

awa64: yep

[04:46:59]

mchou:

interesting. Samsung drives supports enhanced erase

[04:47:01]

awa64:

cool, doin' that now.

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awa64:

crap... it's asking for a root password.

[04:53:09]

mchou:

so?

[04:53:17]

mchou:

enter the root passwd

[04:53:19]

awa64:

I don't know it.

[04:53:29]

mchou:

then google

[04:53:34]

awa64:

was just about to.

[04:53:40]

mchou:

or look at the readme

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awa64:

wow, I suck--can't find it on google or in the readme.

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mchou:

awa64: sigh. reboot it and enter manual install mode

[04:59:46]

awa64:

sorry.

[04:59:47]

mchou:

awa64: you clearly dont have a master backend set up

[05:00:05]

mchou:

awa64: and ignore that dumbass achew22

[05:00:35]

mchou:

awa64: wasting everybody's time

[05:00:46]

awa64:

of course I don't have a master backend set up--I thought that was the point of me trying to install myth on this thing.

[05:00:48]

achew22:

mchou: owch... Also, what brought that up?

[05:01:14]

mchou:

achew22: [21:46:20] <awa64> that mean boot as frontend?

[05:01:14]

mchou:

[21:46:52] <achew22> awa64: yep

[05:01:29]

biffhero:

I thought that the root password was mythtv

[05:01:36]

achew22:

um... I didn't say that

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achew22:

[10:46:19pm] [awa64] that mean boot as frontend?

[05:01:48]

achew22:

[10:46:51pm] [achew22] awa64: yep

[05:02:14]

mchou:

achew22: what do you mean you didnt say that??

[05:02:27]

biffhero:

oh, you don't have a backend or a frontend. it won't do any good to boot the knopmyth cd into live-front end mode. you need to install a backend. does knopmyth do that?

[05:02:32]

achew22:

I said yep I didn't say "<awa64> that mean boot as frontend?"

[05:03:00]

awa64:

Yeah, it installs a backend.

[05:03:00]

mchou:

achew22: no, you dumbass. I'm referring to your 'yep'

[05:03:24]

awa64:

The reason I was referring to "boot as frontend" was so I could try to run the hdparm command people wanted me to get as diagnostic info.

[05:03:48]

awa64:

So. I'm at the "KnoppMyth Main-Menu" screen.

[05:03:52]

awa64:

What do you want me to do?

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** achew22 mods mchou as -1 Flame **

[05:04:05]

mchou:

'manual install'

[05:04:16]

awa64:

ok.

[05:04:36]

awa64:

KnoppMyth Partition-Menu

[05:04:38]

awa64:

Partition?

[05:04:46]

mchou:

no, not yet

[05:04:54]

awa64:

OK.

[05:04:58]

awa64:

The other choice is "quit."

[05:05:08]

mchou:

is this graphical or console right now?

[05:05:19]

awa64:

It's that nice blue screen that's graphical but barely.

[05:05:27]

biffhero:

awa64: have you seen this wweb site: http://www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html obviously, you have, since you have the knopmyth CD.. The instructions on that pae are pretty good. wait one.

[05:06:25]

mchou:

awa64: hit ctrl-alt-F[2–4] until you come to a prompt

[05:06:34]

Kelerion:

right.. 6am.. heading to bed.. lol

[05:06:38]

Kelerion:

g'morning all!

[05:06:39]

awa64:

ok

[05:06:42]

Kelerion:

thanks for the help kormoc

[05:06:45]

awa64:

g'morning, kel.

[05:06:52]

kormoc:

you're welcome

[05:06:56]

kormoc:

sleep well

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awa64:

root@tty2[/]#.

[05:07:06]

awa64:

That it?

[05:07:09]

mchou:

yup

[05:07:18]

mchou:

now do hdparm -I /dev/hda

[05:07:54]

awa64:

Done. What do you want to know from that?

[05:08:01]

mchou:

try to put result in pastbin :)

[05:08:04]

mchou:

j/k

[05:08:07]

mchou:

:)

[05:08:22]

mchou:

is it still the same Samsung drive?

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awa64:

yep, identical results.

[05:09:02]

mchou:

ok. ls -l /dev/hda

[05:09:33]

awa64:

done.

[05:09:47]

mchou:

what does it say?

[05:09:56]

mchou:

type the perms here

[05:10:07]

awa64:

1 KNOPPIX bin boot cdrom dev etc home lib mnt opt proc ramdisk root sbin sys tmp usr var

[05:10:19]

mchou:

huh??

[05:10:34]

mchou:

ls -l /dev/hda

[05:10:42]

mchou:

-l as in long

[05:10:46]

awa64:

oh.

[05:11:15]

awa64:

brw------- 1 root root 3, 0 may 5 1998 /dev/hda

[05:11:33]

mchou:

awa64: I dont see a problem

[05:11:49]

achew22:

is there a command to enumerated the mounted drives?

[05:12:06]

mchou:

procedd with manual install by hitting ctrl-alt-F1

[05:12:19]

awa64:

partitioning hda

[05:12:28]

awa64:

"Opened disk read-only – you have no permission to write"

[05:12:41]

awa64:

FATAL ERROR: Cannot get disk size. Press any key to exit cfdisk

[05:12:47]

mchou:

start partitioning

[05:12:50]

mchou:

haha!!

[05:13:03]

mchou:

Open disk read only

[05:13:35]

awa64:

so.

[05:13:40]

awa64:

What now?

[05:13:48]

mchou:

go ctrl-alt-f2

[05:13:51]

kormoc:

dmesg | grep hda

[05:13:56]

kormoc:

see if it has anything odd in it?

[05:14:23]

awa64:

I wouldn't know what I'm looking for.

[05:14:31]

kormoc:

could toss it into a pastebin

[05:14:37]

awa64:

how?

[05:14:41]

mchou:

kormoc: dont be silly

[05:15:01]

mchou:

kormoc: how tf he has acess to paste?

[05:15:02]

awa64:

hda: unknown partition table

[05:15:11]

kormoc:

well, if you have two computers, you can start ssh on the knoppmyth one, ssh from the other one, and copy and paste into a pastebin

[05:15:19]

mchou:

lol

[05:15:37]

mchou:

kormoc: dont be ridiculous

[05:15:45]

awa64:

Yes. I'll just start SSH on this Lenovo Thinkpad running Windows XP, and...

[05:15:52]

mchou:

network aint up for him on manual install

[05:15:53]

awa64:

-.-

[05:16:03]

kormoc:

putty is a windows ssh client

[05:16:17]

awa64:

true, true... but it's not like I'd be able to do much anyway.

[05:16:41]

mchou:

awa64: fdisk -l /dev/hda

[05:16:51]

kormoc:

awa64, try this

[05:16:54]

kormoc:

hdparm -r /dev/hda

[05:16:56]

awa64:

i or l?

[05:17:02]

kormoc:

it should be set off

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mchou:

l as in list

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awa64:

ok

[05:17:45]

awa64:

disk /dev/hda doesn't contain a valid partition table.

[05:17:57]

awa64:

other than that, just info on cylinders and crap

[05:18:08]

awa64:

readonly = 0 (off)

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kormoc:

kk

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biffhero:

and you can't "fdisk /dev/hda", or it errors out on you, right?

[05:18:29]

mchou:

awa64: is /dev/hda completely scratch for you?

[05:18:36]

kormoc:

you can try hdparm -z /dev/hda and see if it detects the partition tables

[05:18:38]

awa64:

completely scratch?

[05:18:49]

mchou:

awa64: meaning not of value on it

[05:18:52]

biffhero:

is there anything useful on /dev/hda?

[05:18:58]

awa64:

hell no!

[05:19:00]

mchou:

nothing*

[05:19:04]

kormoc:

awa64, you know, it is possable your drive is just dieing, have you run any tests from the drive manifacturer on it?

[05:19:10]

mchou:

awa64: what's on the disk?

[05:19:13]

awa64:

jack.

[05:19:24]

mchou:

jacK?

[05:19:26]

biffhero:

fdisk /dev/hda gives you an error, right?

[05:19:32]

awa64:

nope, it doesn't.

[05:19:40]

biffhero:

jack, as in "jack shit", as in nothing.

[05:19:43]

mchou:

meaning you dont have any real data on /dev/hda?

[05:19:51]

awa64:

yep. No real data on /dev/hda.

[05:19:53]

biffhero:

can you run ... fdisk /dev/hda

[05:19:59]

awa64:

just ran it.

[05:20:11]

biffhero:

and you can look at the partition table?

[05:20:18]

mchou:

awa64: no, you didnt run it

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biffhero:

I thin it is 'p'

[05:20:31]

mchou:

you ran fdisk -l /dev/hda :)

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awa64:

and now I just ran fdisk /dev/hda.

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mchou:

fdisk /dev/hda means you are about to patition it

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awa64:

ok.

[05:21:11]

mchou:

start partitioning :)

[05:21:11]

biffhero:

oh, yeah, the -l is to list what is there now. I was hoping to actually do the partitioning.

[05:21:41]

mchou:

n, p would probably be the right start

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SlicerDicer-:

wow my mythbackend had a bitchfit haha

[05:21:50]

SlicerDicer-:

it just went crazy for no reason

[05:21:53]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

[05:22:13]

awa64:

"the number of cylinders for this disk is set to 38869. There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, and could in certain setups cause problems wiht 1) software that runs at boot time, 2) booting and partitioning software from other oses. Warning: invalid flag 0x000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite). Command(m for help): <blinking cursor>

[05:22:18]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: it was quite interesting

[05:22:32]

mchou:

awa64: you can safely ignore that

[05:22:39]

awa64:

OK. So... w(rite)?

[05:22:54]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: it decided that the firewire was going to work on neither box just BLAMMO and then I got it working on of the boxes and not the other then the other but not the original one working hahah

[05:22:58]

SlicerDicer-:

it was insane mchou

[05:23:03]

mchou:

awa64: how many partitions you create on it?

[05:23:09]

awa64:

um... dunno.

[05:23:20]

awa64:

Haven't created any yet.

[05:23:27]

mchou:

awa64: lol

[05:23:38]

SlicerDicer-:

then I had to go in delete the card settings and redo it all and then manually set inputs then now the frontend has lost its mind and wont change channels LOL!! but I can from a remote frontent

[05:23:45]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: its gone mental

[05:23:48]

mchou:

crate one new primary partition spanning the whole disk

[05:23:50]

awa64:

ok

[05:23:54]

mchou:

create*

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awa64:

so... "how would I go about doing that," says the total linux newbie?

[05:24:16]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: wait!

[05:24:34]

mchou:

awa64: hit 'n', then 'p'

[05:24:37]

awa64:

ok

[05:24:39]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: he should set it up to where the primary partition is like 13gb and then create a seperate partition for video storage

[05:24:41]

SlicerDicer-:

thats what I did

[05:24:49]

biffhero:

ok, so if awa64 is able to write this partition table, doncha all think it would be better to do the auto-install?

[05:24:56]

SlicerDicer-:

its aided me so many times when I have totally fried out everything the videos stay intact and I can restore them all

[05:24:58]

awa64:

I've got an 80GB secondary drive. That's where the video storage goes.

[05:25:03]

kormoc:

biffhero, if it sticks, aye

[05:25:09]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: daily backup to the partition of the database too

[05:25:12]

SlicerDicer-:

hello kormoc

[05:25:14]

mchou:

if you get lost just go back to the 'menu' by hitting 'm'

[05:25:21]

awa64:

ok

[05:25:50]

SlicerDicer-:

am I invisible? wee!!!.....

[05:26:06]

awa64:

followed the instructions for p, now it says "command (m for help)" again.

[05:26:24]

kormoc:

mornin' SlicerDicer-

[05:26:26]

SlicerDicer-:

HAHA! I am invisible! nobody can see me

[05:26:31]

kormoc:

and yes, you are invisible

[05:26:31]

SlicerDicer-:

ohh nvm

[05:26:37]

kormoc:

but we can hear you

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mchou:

awa64: goddamn it, just follow the damn instrustions on creating a new partition

[05:27:10]

mchou:

awa64: it aint fucking rocket science

[05:27:13]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: have you ever had that happen though?

[05:27:45]

awa64:

I set the partition number, first and last cylinders, and it spit me back to a blank "command" prompt with no instructions to go with it.

[05:27:58]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: near 3 months of solid working on myth and then BOOM just explodes for no reason

[05:28:10]

mchou:

awa64: that why you hit 'm'

[05:28:12]

kormoc:

not really

[05:28:19]

kormoc:

only when I mess with it :P

[05:28:23]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

[05:28:28]

SlicerDicer-:

well I had not been messing with it

[05:28:28]

awa64:

yes, I hit M.

[05:28:40]

awa64:

So should I write it to the disk and exit now?

[05:28:48]

mchou:

awa64: and hit 'p' to print out what the current partition table looks like

[05:29:08]

achew22:

does anyone know if myth going to switch to qt4 in the future? and if so is there a timeline?

[05:29:11]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: so yours explodes for no reason when you mess with it.... very interesting ;-)

[05:29:22]

mchou:

if you did it right it should look like "/dev/hda1 1 16 128457 83 Linux"

[05:29:34]

kormoc:

heh, yeah, imagine that....

[05:29:35]

mchou:

numbers are gonna be different

[05:29:36]

awa64:

yep, looks like that.

[05:29:37]

** kormoc peers around whisling **

[05:29:57]

awa64:

try the install again now?

[05:30:03]

mchou:

awa64: type the partition table here:

[05:30:17]

biffhero:

yeah, try the auto-install, sit and twiddle the thumbs

[05:30:28]

mchou:

awa64: so I can make sure you did it right.....

[05:30:45]

achew22:

awa64 will you please use pastebin for that?

[05:30:54]

mchou:

achew22: stfu

[05:31:02]

achew22:

fuck your mother mchou

[05:31:15]

mchou:

achew22: it's one line.

[05:31:22]

awa64:

/dev/hda1 1 38869 19589944+ 83 Linux

[05:31:42]

mchou:

achew22: keep you nose out of other ppls business

[05:31:42]

achew22:

mchou: if you care to play the asshole game I'm willing

[05:31:59]

mchou:

I smell a ban coming on

[05:32:34]

awa64:

so... that seems to be in order. Try the install again now?

[05:32:39]

mchou:

awa64: go ahead and write the partition table to disk.....

[05:32:46]

mchou:

awa64: 'w'

[05:32:49]

awa64:

got it

[05:32:56]

mchou:

need to reboot

[05:33:06]

mchou:

awa64: for you, that is

[05:33:08]

awa64:

can't just ctrl-alt-f1 back to the prompt and try from there?

[05:33:11]

awa64:

ok

[05:33:26]

mchou:

awa64: you can, but to be safe you should reboot

[05:33:41]

awa64:

okay. Hard power cycle won't hurt anything, will it?

[05:33:48]

** SlicerDicer- sniffs the air **

[05:33:51]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: I dont smell it

[05:34:01]

mchou:

awa64: whatever works for you

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: did I miss something?

[05:34:26]

SlicerDicer-:

omg wow

[05:34:29]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: your nose aint sensitive enough

[05:34:43]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: :)

[05:34:46]

SlicerDicer-:

that was rotten smell I just smelled :)

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SlicerDicer-:

took a bit to reach here :)

[05:34:59]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: that was me farting :)

[05:35:03]

awa64:

ok, booted. Autoinstall-wizard it?

[05:35:11]

mchou:

awa64: sure

[05:35:21]

awa64:

cool

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[05:39:21]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: it's coming up roses this time

[05:40:16]

mchou:

awa64: WHAT'S HAPPENING OVER THERE?

[05:40:30]

awa64:

"Copying files. 61% complete."

[05:40:31]

mchou:

oops, hit capslock by accident :)

[05:40:42]

mchou:

awa64: ok, you're set

[05:40:46]

awa64:

No.

[05:40:50]

awa64:

It did this last time, too.

[05:40:51]

mchou:

awa64: I gonna take a shower

[05:41:15]

mchou:

awa64: what do you mean it did this last time

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mchou:

there was not partition last time :)

[05:41:37]

awa64:

I mean it installed like this last time I tried too. It just finished, said "OK, you're done, reboot," I rebooted, and then... nothing.

[05:41:38]

mchou:

s/not/no

[05:41:40]

awa64:

There was, though.

[05:42:00]

awa64:

I saw the partitions in Ubuntu and when I killed it during a Windows reinstall.

[05:42:36]

mchou:

awa64: well, I'm confident you'll find a way to make it work

[05:42:40]

awa64:

I hope so.

[05:42:48]

mchou:

ttfn

[05:42:54]

awa64:

see 'ya 'round.

[05:43:06]

awa64:

If it doens't work, I'll swear, then just go to sleep and leave it for tomorrow afternoon.

[05:44:29]

awa64:

God Damn It, It Doesn't Work. (tm)

[05:45:35]

awa64:

Any ideas?

[05:55:04]

awa64:

Yeah, definitely doesn't work--the installer still sees it as read-only, and apparantly refuses to write a bootloader to it.

[05:55:51]

kormoc:

what brand drive is it?

[05:59:25]

radi0head:

MPlayer 1.0pre8 is FINALLY out after waiting 1 years and 2 months :D (Happy happy joy joy!)

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awa64:

Samsung.

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simcop2387:

radi0head: anything new with it?

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kormoc:

awa64, http://www.samsung.com/Products/HardDiskDrive . . . s/shdiag.htm

[06:03:31]

kormoc:

awa64, might want to run that and see what it says

[06:03:52]

awa64:

OK. I shall do that tomorrow.

[06:03:56]

awa64:

Thanks for the help, guys.

[06:04:01]

radi0head:

simcop2387; Check the homepage for the changelog.

[06:04:02]

kormoc:

gluck

[06:05:40]

achew22:

why are open source projects flocking away from CVS in favor of subversion?

[06:10:18]

libolt:

probably because they prefer the features and benefits it provides, such as being able to remove entire directories without having to hack it on the server side

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simcop2387:

radi0head: i'm compiling the new mplayer now, dunno what i have to test it on, but its cool

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simcop2387:

yay its done!

[06:36:09]

CrazyP:

thats what she said too ;)

[06:36:38]

CrazyP:

sorry, couldn't help myself.. it happens

[06:39:18]

Hoxzer:

it happens CrazyP it happens :/

[06:39:24]

Hoxzer:

I couldn't help my self either

[06:39:41]

Hoxzer:

but I woke up 5 a.m Eventhough I went sleep 1 am

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Hoxzer:

soo ://

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Hoxzer:

I'm pretty tirend

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Hoxzer:

and I got work 7 am

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thechris:

anyone know why ivtv thinks i have a PAL tuner on my card it says is NTSC

[06:53:39]

achew22:

thechris: did you configure it as such on your eeprom? (I'm not suer thats possible but it may be)

[06:54:59]

thechris:

no.

[06:55:18]

thechris:

it says that it couldn't detect the tuner type, assuming ntsc

[06:55:27]

thechris:

then it say it found a PAL tuner

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thechris:

which is incorrect

[06:55:35]

achew22:

thats strange....

[06:56:01]

RaYmAn-Bx:

perhaps you have an unsupported card..hauppauge seems to like to change tuners quite often

[06:56:32]

thechris:

no, it works. just not now

[06:56:53]

thechris:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/oOQTVt29.html

[06:56:53]

RaYmAn-Bx:

so it just suddenly stopped working with no changes at all?

[06:56:55]

achew22:

do you have multiple cards?

[06:57:09]

thechris:

no, i added a hdd and decided to repartition things

[06:57:15]

thechris:

so i did a fresh install

[06:57:20]

thechris:

and now it doens't work

[06:57:37]

thechris:

only 1 pvr500

[06:57:48]

achew22:

so you have 2 150s

[06:58:07]

thechris:

yes

[06:58:14]

achew22:

can you put your dmesg up on pastebin

[06:58:18]

thechris:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/oOQTVt29.html

[06:59:26]

thechris:

i was putting my money on the gcc4.1 or 0.6.2 thing

[06:59:37]

achew22:

12: tveeprom 2–0050: Encountered bad packet header [87]. Corrupt or not a Hauppauge eeprom.

[06:59:41]

thechris:

yeah

[06:59:45]

thechris:

nothing i can do there

[06:59:58]

thechris:

seems to be normal according to the mailing lists

[07:00:05]

achew22:

you could buy a new one and solder it in ;)

[07:00:13]

achew22:

what are you running?

[07:00:25]

thechris:

pvr500?

[07:00:31]

achew22:

distro

[07:00:35]

thechris:

gentoo

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achew22:

what compiler?

[07:00:46]

thechris:

0.6.2 is not supposed to work.

[07:00:48]

thechris:

gcc4.1

[07:00:58]

achew22:

that may be your problem ;)

[07:01:04]

thechris:

yeah

[07:01:19]

achew22:

will you try 0.6.1?

[07:01:20]

thechris:

someone else just said they had luck with gcc4.1 and ivtv 0.6.2

[07:01:43]

achew22:

in the words of my mother "if someone else told you to jump off a cliff..."

[07:01:56]

thechris:

right now i'm rebuilding the system with gcc3.4

[07:02:01]

achew22:

why?

[07:02:10]

achew22:

4.X is stable as far as I know

[07:02:13]

thechris:

because i'm thinking gcc4.1 is the issue

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achew22:

try using 6.1 then if that doesn't fix it recompile everything

[07:02:40]

thechris:

given that ivtv 0.4.5 didn't work either

[07:02:46]

thechris:

on kernel 2.6.15 of course

[07:02:54]

achew22:

what kernel are you?

[07:03:08]

thechris:

2.6.16 from kernel.org

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achew22:

you should be using the .6 version

[07:03:34]

achew22:

I would try 0.6.1

[07:03:40]

achew22:

http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/archive/0.6.x/ivtv-0.6.1.tar.gz

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thechris:

i'm almost positive that won't work, given that 0.4.5 didn't work

[07:04:22]

thechris:

and everyone says 0.4.5 works.

[07:04:26]

thechris:

on 2.6.15

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thechris:

still givesthe same dmesg stuff

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achew22:

well I'm out of ideas/tired

[07:07:30]

thechris:

actually, no 0.6.1 is worse

[07:07:37]

achew22:

ha!

[07:07:39]

thechris:

error -3 and -12 on firmware

[07:07:55]

achew22:

did oyu compile from source?

[07:07:59]

thechris:

i had to

[07:08:00]

achew22:

or did you ebuild it?

[07:08:07]

thechris:

there is no 0.6.1 ebuild

[07:08:10]

achew22:

you could have masked 0.6.2

[07:08:12]

achew22:

ohh

[07:08:14]

achew22:

nevermind

[07:08:31]

thechris:

0.6.2 is masked because it doesn't generally work

[07:08:42]

thechris:

i've only heard one person who got it to work

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NightMonkey:

thechris: 0.4.5 works for me on 2.6.15.

[07:18:49]

thechris:

what gcc version are you using? what distro?

[07:19:19]

kormoc:

thechris, for easy of use, stick to a 0.4.x ivtv and 2.4.14 or lower

[07:19:41]

NightMonkey:

Gentoo, gcc 3.4.6.

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thechris:

i'm currently recompiling my system with gcc3.4

[07:20:07]

NightMonkey:

Been running fine since June 2.

[07:20:11]

thechris:

it seems 4.1 isn't half as usable as everyone says

[07:20:36]

thechris:

unless of course i end up having issues with 3.4 as well...

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NightMonkey:

kormoc: Isn't that "2.4.15 or lower"?

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kormoc:

NightMonkey, erm, that should have been 2.6.14 or lower

[07:27:30]

kormoc:

nice catch

[07:27:51]

NightMonkey:

;)

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snakethej:

sorry if i upset anyone since there's tons of "search here here and here" which i have, but i still can't find a simple and basic explaination of what exactly a frontend and backend are and what 'ok' requirements for each are

[08:44:37]

snakethej:

if anyone could help, i'd greatly appreciate it

[08:46:33]

tank-man:

backend does recording , frontend lets you watch it

[08:46:44]

tank-man:

they can be on one pc or seperate ones

[08:46:54]

tank-man:

and you can have multiples of each

[08:47:06]

tank-man:

like 2 backends and 3 frontends

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tank-man:

first decision is capture card, then you can decide on pc req's

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snakethej:

which one needs to be by the tv? which one more powerful?

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tank-man:

cable input from wall goes into the backend, front end is by tv

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tank-man:

backend would probably be better to be the faster one

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snakethej:

does the cable run from back end to the TV? or is it just split before that

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tank-man:

you know what a tv tuner card for a pc is?

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tank-man:

cable goes into that, in the backend

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tank-man:

if you want to spllit it to the tv you can

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tank-man:

frontend and backend are connected by network cable

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snakethej:

frontend connects to the tv?

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tank-man:

yes

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snakethej:

by what?

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juski:

salutations

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tank-man:

tv out on video card in frontend

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tank-man:

greetings juski

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tank-man:

you can also watch on normal pc monitor/lcd

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snakethej:

so do xboxes actually work as front ends? i keep seeing these guides that say they work but are missing features

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tank-man:

yes

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tank-man:

for sd content

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tank-man:

probably not for hdtv content

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snakethej:

would an AMD 1800+ , 512 ram , ATI radeon 8500LE system be OK?

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tank-man:

yes

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snakethej:

would it be better to use an xbox along with that?

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tank-man:

i have a amd athlon 1ghz, 512ram, huappage pvr-250 (my desktop and backend/frontend) and a xbox i also use as frontend

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snakethej:

what cable card do you prefer? thanks a lot for helping me out... feel free to give me a boot at any time. i'm just excited learning about this stuff since i really wanted a TiVO or DVR but don't want to shell out $20/mo

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tank-man:

i have a hauppauge pvr-250

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tank-man:

it is a hardware mpeg capture card/tv tuner

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snakethej:

happy with it?

[09:02:06]

tank-man:

they are the most popular brand

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tank-man:

yes

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snakethej:

is the quality just as good as normal tv?

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tank-man:

yes

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snakethej:

cool

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snakethej:

im excited :)

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tank-man:

:)

[09:02:42]

snakethej:

gonna go to my parents house and take my old systems

[09:03:12]

snakethej:

im afraid to use this one my gf just got me

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snakethej:

how long did it take u to set up your box?

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tank-man:

about a week, i recently redid it (reinstalled linux) and it was a day

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tank-man:

had problems with the capture card drivers (ivtv)

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tank-man:

your tv watching experience will be changed. you can watch any time you want, without commercials

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snakethej:

yea everyone i know keeps saying that, whether they have tivo, ondemand, or whatever

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snakethej:

its convincing

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snakethej:

i was about to flip a coin between tivo and comcast DVR when i found about this

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snakethej:

hmm theres different models

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snakethej:

for the pvr-250

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snakethej:

which one should i get?

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tank-man:

i dont think they sell the pvr-250 anymore, it was replaced with pvr 150

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snakethej:

i can get the pvr-250 model 980 or 975, pvr-350, pvr-150, pvr-150MCE

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snakethej:

they are all around $100–130

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snakethej:

which one is the best?

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** juski has set up an xbox frontend with all the available plugins – mythmusic, mythvideo, mythgalllery etc. works well but it's too _noisy_ ! **

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snakethej:

awesome

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snakethej:

how noisy?

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Merlin83b2:

juski: Stop messing with Xboxen! S100 it!

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scopeuk:

that whould be sweet s100 backend xbox front end

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snakethej:

may i ask what s100 is?

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Merlin83b2:

scopeuk: Erm, no.

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bagleabuse:

juski: if you use an xbox for your frontend can you get ypbpr out?

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snakethej:

if i record in mpeg-4, i will need a soundcard. if i record in mpeg-2, i don't need a soundcard. is this correct?

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juski:

s100? I have two now :-D

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bagleabuse:

Merlin83b2: are you refering to the REALLY old computers?

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Merlin83b2:

juski: You got another? Hehe

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Merlin83b2:

bagleabuse: Um, when?

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bagleabuse:

s100s

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bagleabuse:

s/s100s/s100's/

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Merlin83b:

bagleabuse: No, they're STBs from Germany.

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bagleabuse:

ohh — do they run linux?

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snakethej:

wuts the dif between mpeg-2 and mpeg-4

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bagleabuse:

snakethej do you want a technical definition or a smaller one?

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snakethej:

just the quality/size :)

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snakethej:

is there a quality or size diff?

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bagleabuse:

okay — mpeg4 does motion vectoring which is when you take an image and try to identify it as it crosses the screen. mpeg2 checks against surrounding pixels only. Therefore mpeg4 is smaller but harder to compress

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juski:

do they run linux? yup. do they run mythfrontend very comfortably? yup. was I so impressed I bought another from Ebay? yep

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bagleabuse:

can I get one in the states?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

:-D

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bagleabuse:

DAMN

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tank-man:

mpeg4 can be almost same if not almost equal, and is smaller but takes longer to encode (cause it is done by the cpu)

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bagleabuse:

tank-man thankyou for the synopsis

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bagleabuse:

why can't I get one of these things in the states? do they output pal?

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snakethej:

so is the PVR-350 the best way to go when u dont have an audio card?

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juski:

they're not _sold_ in the states. you could get one shipped over for like $$$$$

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tank-man:

pvr 350 also does tvout

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juski:

snakethej: not if you wanna play xvid/dvix/mp3/ogg/wma/etc

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tank-man:

what mobo doesn't have built in audio ?

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snakethej:

a shitty one

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bagleabuse:

tank-man lots of them

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snakethej:

its an old comp

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snakethej:

i always used headphones (plantronics dsp500s, they are usb and have their own soundcard in the wire) so i never cared ;/

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bagleabuse:

tank-man: some high in mobos don't have them because they assume the end user will have a kick ass audigy sound card

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snakethej:

how good are xvid/divx files when played on a tv?

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tank-man:

if he has a high end mobo, then he can afford a sb16 compatible sound card

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snakethej:

are they blurry?

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juski:

nope

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bagleabuse:

snakethej: I like my divx files, but I've not had much sucess with xvid (thats because I was doing it in windows land)

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juski:

not in general I mean

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bagleabuse:

ohh

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bagleabuse:

wrong window. sorry

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scopeuk:

http://www.angryman.ca/monkey.html a warning to any one considering a huge diatory change

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juski:

playing back a xvid/divx on my s100 box fullscreen size takes less than 25% CPU – and it only has a 733mhz proc. try doing that in windows

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snakethej:

ok, so if u had a choice right now- wut TV-tuner card would you get?

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snakethej:

for under $150

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scopeuk:

juski i regularly do

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scopeuk:

its called vlc

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juski:

hahaha

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juski:

on a 700mhz machine?

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scopeuk:

well 800

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scopeuk:

but its close enough

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juski:

not bad

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scopeuk:

hell playingdiv x on my desktop (2 ghz) only hits 2%

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scopeuk:

usign vlc that is

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bagleabuse:

scopeuk: do you know that guy?

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juski:

ooo I got mythtv running in windows

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snakethej:

hmm wait, pvr-250 only runs in mpeg-2 also... doesnt it?

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tank-man:

yes

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tank-man:

you want mpeg4? it is done by software

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juski:

sorry I meant to say _a_ window

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juski:

:-)

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bagleabuse:

isn't mpeg4 backwards compatible with mpeg2?

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scopeuk:

bagleabuse which guy?

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snakethej:

so best $150 card? pvr-350 since it has a decoder built in?

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bagleabuse:

the ape food guy

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tank-man:

what do you mean compatiable?

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scopeuk:

lol no dont know him

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scopeuk:

came through one of my rss feeds this morning

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bagleabuse:

I was under the impression that a mpeg2 decoder could decode mpeg4 but I don't know where I got that idea

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scopeuk:

no

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scopeuk:

mpeg 4 != mpeg 2 in anything other than there both video

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scopeuk:

you want mpeg 4 its software encode/decode

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scopeuk:

peg 2 can be done in hardware

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qu0zl:

there's some usb tuners that output mpeg4 i think

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qu0zl:

they completely unsupported?

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bagleabuse:

qu0zl nope they have some support

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bagleabuse:

does anyone know the technical reason why hardware encoding/decoding is so much faster than software?

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qu0zl:

cool. because the decode side isn't half as bad

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bagleabuse:

qu0zl if you but it and it doesn't have support you cant blame me. I've never tried it

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qu0zl:

because there's dedicated hardware built for it, instead of using your general purpose cpu i'd imagine

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snakethej:

someone pick a card for me :) i have an amazon gift certificate and im burning to use it

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qu0zl:

heh what bagleabuse! I'll have my lawyers on you straight away if it doesn't work

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bagleabuse:

qu0zl I had a guy threaten me with legal action when he told me to reformat his computer

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qu0zl:

haha, you should have reformated it for him. how rude

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qu0zl:

snakethej, whats the cpu you're putting this card with?

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qu0zl:

if it's decent i'd not get the pvr350, i'd get a pvr150 or if you can afford it a pvr500

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snakethej:

AMD 1800+ , 512 ram , radeon 8500LE 128mb video card

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snakethej:

but i think the video card is kinda weak

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qu0zl:

just sdtv right?

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snakethej:

sdtv = standard? yes just cable TV

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qu0zl:

that cpu can easily decode sdtv mpeg2. very easily

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qu0zl:

buy either a pvr150, or a pvr500

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qu0zl:

try and get the 500 if you can. two tuners really makes a difference

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snakethej:

does the video card need to be strong?

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qu0zl:

otherwise you can't watch tv and record another show in the background.

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qu0zl:

nope snakethej. your card won't be doing any decoding anyway unless it's one that supports xvmc

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snakethej:

because i wouldnt be able to play games i normally would have when i first got it... and would sometimes crash if i didnt ONLY have that open after a reboot

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qu0zl:

almost anything will support xv

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snakethej:

PVR-500MCE?

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qu0zl:

snakethej you don't need as good a card to playback sdtv as you do to play 3d games

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qu0zl:

snakethej, that's what i bought. You can get the pvr-500 bundled with a remote if you want it

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qu0zl:

cheaper than buying seperate. I got a seperate usb remote myself but the bundled one is probably perfectly good

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snakethej:

so wuts the 2-tuner do? just record two shows at once?

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qu0zl:

yep. you also need a tuner just to watch tv

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qu0zl:

by watchign tv you're really recording then displaying the recording

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qu0zl:

so two tuners means 1 live tv and one background recording. or 2 background recordings

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snakethej:

the bundle is $40 more, worth it?

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snakethej:

or can i get a remote cheaper

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qu0zl:

up to you. personally i think you want a remote, and the remotes are gonna be 40$ probably anyway

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qu0zl:

you can try. remember you need the receiver too

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snakethej:

bundle doesnt come with it?

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qu0zl:

it does

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snakethej:

ah i see it

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snakethej:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000DLBAHI/s . . . ncoding=UTF8

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snakethej:

ill need to get a sound card also, correct?

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qu0zl:

you don't have onboard sound?

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qu0zl:

if not, then yep :) or you can figure out how to enable subtitles and save 20 bucks ;)

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qu0zl:

i'm not sound-card expert. I'd just get a cheap soundblaster Live

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Hoxzer:

Hmmmmmmmm

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qu0zl:

those were really cheap a few years back and prob still are. and they're decent cards

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Hoxzer:

sankethej: do u know if there is DVB-C card like that?

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Hoxzer:

it would be cool to have 2 tuners in one card

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juski:

some dual tuners are hackish. one tuner is on the PCI bus and the other is USB with a PCI-USB bridge!

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snakethej:

;o

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qu0zl:

yuck

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qu0zl:

the pvr-500 is good at least

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snakethej:

i have no idea what you are talking about, sorry

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snakethej:

:O

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snakethej:

im a newb

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Hoxzer:

juski: and what is so bad about that?

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scopeuk:

Hoxzer its a orkaround

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scopeuk:

and your gonna need two diferent drivers for a single card

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Hoxzer:

ok

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Merlin83b:

juski: Does the s100 have an MPEG2 accelerator?

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juski:

Merlin83b: I dunno how good its (intel i830) xvmc support is

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Merlin83b:

Not played with that/got those binary drivers working yet?

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juski:

got the binary drivers working, just not bothered testing xvmc. works well enough without

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Merlin83b:

Oh, never mind in that case :-)

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Merlin83b:

So if PXE doesn't work, booting off a USB stick and then doing the rest over network would work?

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Merlin83b:

Come to think of it, USB sticks are big these days. Easy enough to fit the whole thing on there.

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Merlin83b:

You got your packagaed up stuff yet?

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juski:

Merlin83b: gimme a chance. seesh :)

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snakethej:

will any sound card work? i might be able to find / scavenge one from an old system

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Merlin83b:

juski: Hehe

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snakethej:

wut linux is the best or easiest for mythtv

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scopeuk:

knoppmyth is easiest

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juski:

nope

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scopeuk:

best is highly debateable

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scopeuk:

you not think jsuki?

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scopeuk:

single install script that does it all for you its the easiest ive tried

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scopeuk:

although i whouldent say the best

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juski:

it's a lot like asking which hairstyle is best for me.... everybody's answer will be different

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juski:

if you have long hair & a scruffy beard, go for slackware :-P

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scopeuk:

hmm

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** scopeuk considers taking that advice **

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scopeuk:

any way im off l8r guys

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snakethej:

Note: You'll still need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to change the refresh rate or you CAN destroy your TV.

[10:17:19]

snakethej:

uhh this scares me

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juski:

modern TVs should be okay if you mess up

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juski:

what it basically means is "exercise caution & don't come crying to me if you blow your TV up" ;)

[10:19:14]

snakethej:

that knoppmyth says you still need a backend setup with mysql ... ;o

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juski:

anyway regardless – most TV outputs on VGA cards will only output to the TVstandard you select anyway, so nothing bad can even happen no matter what you have in your xorg settings

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snakethej:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#intro is this a good guide to follow?

[10:20:06]

juski:

so don't be _too_ put off by that statement

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juski:

yep

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juski:

one of the best, if not _the_ best

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snakethej:

will i need internet to the machine?

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snakethej:

wait should i use fedora core 4 or 5?

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dscoular:

4

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snakethej:

do i need a constant internet connection to the mythtv box?

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fatmatt:

snakethej, no

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fatmatt:

just need one when you want to update the tv guide data

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qu0zl:

it's handy though snakethej. If you've got broadband then connect it to that if you can

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fatmatt:

yah, most handy

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snakethej:

that just complicated things a lot :/

[10:31:39]

snakethej:

i hate networking

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snakethej:

i do everything it says exactly, and it doesnt work.

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snakethej:

i mess everything up, it says its "not connected" and it works

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Hoxzer:

GJ

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snakethej:

linux does support wireless internet, right?

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Hoxzer:

<? hmm

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snakethej:

is it hard to configure with a windows computer? router?

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fatmatt:

snakethej, umm, depends which wireless card you've got

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fatmatt:

if all you want to do is set up your mythtv box with dhcp and your router is already doing that for your windows boxes, then, should be simple enough.

[10:34:29]

Hoxzer:

Sankethej: I found it easier to configure network share with samba than with other windows computer

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snakethej:

right now i cant get an ad-hoc wireless network to work with my computer and laptop

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snakethej:

;/

[10:35:20]

snakethej:

i guess ill have to buy a router

[10:35:31]

snakethej:

wait...

[10:35:42]

snakethej:

i want MY computer to be wired, my laptop and myth to be wireless

[10:35:43]

Hoxzer:

?

[10:35:49]

snakethej:

how do i do that

[10:36:02]

Merlin83b:

juski bought all the s100s on eBay.

[10:36:05]

Merlin83b:

:-(

[10:36:08]

Hoxzer:

U are strange

[10:36:34]

qu0zl:

snakethej, if you can have the myth box be wired then do it. Wired is better, cheaper, and you won't be moving the myth box will you?

[10:37:10]

fatmatt:

snakethej: you don't have a switch/hub/router sort of thing?

[10:37:40]

snakethej:

well

[10:37:45]

snakethej:

my computer is in a seperate room

[10:37:49]

snakethej:

and quite far

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snakethej:

from the room i want the mythbox to be in

[10:38:40]

snakethej:

right now i have my cable modem going to my computer, then i have an extra NIC i use to share internet with my laptop since i cant get the wireless to work

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snakethej:

i have 2 NIC's on main comp, 1 wireless card. 1 NIC , 1 wireless card on laptop

[10:39:25]

snakethej:

is there a way to have MY computer wired, with the laptop and mythtv wireless?

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qu0zl:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002MH3HE/s . . . ncoding=UTF8

[10:40:00]

qu0zl:

there's the easiest way imo

[10:40:14]

qu0zl:

plugs into an ethernet port and converts(bridges) ethernet to wireless

[10:40:25]

juski:

Merlin83b: I've got one you can have for £200 :-D

[10:40:53]

snakethej:

so my comp plugs into that, then that goes to the other comp and wirelesS?

[10:40:53]

qu0zl:

or just get a wireless card and put it in your mythtv box. But an ethernet bridge is easier as linux ethernet support is a no-brainer

[10:41:08]

juski:

btw as for wireless, don't rely on it being any use. it's overrated

[10:41:08]

qu0zl:

no. your mythtv box plugs into that. Which connects to your access point

[10:41:15]

Merlin83b:

juski: Nice try :-)

[10:41:23]

qu0zl:

if the mythtv box is the backend as well as the frontend it'll be fine

[10:41:29]

qu0zl:

he'll only be using it for internet access

[10:41:31]

Merlin83b:

Fair enough – think I'd wire it anyway :-)

[10:42:01]

snakethej:

i dont ahve an access point though

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qu0zl:

heh.

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snakethej:

will having 1 of my NIC be hooked to my cable modem, with the other going to that work with a frontend/backend system with a wireless card?

[10:43:22]

qu0zl:

if you have another wireless card in your main computer and turn on internet forwarding

[10:43:30]

qu0zl:

tbh snakethej, like i said. used wired if you possibly can

[10:43:58]

qu0zl:

if you want wireless for sure, then an AP and a ethernet/wireless bridge like i linked is the easiest thing

[10:44:34]

fatmatt:

qu0zl, theres a setting in winxp that lets you bridge network cards. I've used it to bridge wired/wireless cards

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snakethej:

i think networking is all luck :(

[10:44:43]

snakethej:

yea i have it bridged right now

[10:44:47]

snakethej:

my NIC and wireless

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qu0zl:

aye fatmatt , then he needs the pc on all the time tho

[10:44:57]

snakethej:

just because "SOMETIMES" wireless works and sometimes NIC works

[10:45:02]

snakethej:

my pc is on all the time

[10:45:05]

qu0zl:

they always work for me snakethej

[10:45:14]

snakethej:

i dont get why mine doesnt

[10:45:19]

snakethej:

i mean i follow it STEP BY STEP

[10:45:27]

snakethej:

everything looks OK

[10:45:30]

snakethej:

but nope, no internet

[10:45:32]

snakethej:

i could share files

[10:45:34]

snakethej:

but not internet

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snakethej:

and when i DID get internet to work wireless it was going VERY slow when it shoulda been 54mbs.

[10:46:39]

snakethej:

ive been able to view other peoples wireless networks and join them with fast speeds

[10:46:53]

snakethej:

but for some reason i couldnt get ad-hoc to work

[10:48:01]

snakethej:

tried both the linksys software and windows xp software

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snakethej:

well im going to bed, 3:50am here :O good night all and thank you so much for answering my q's

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qu0zl:

good luck snakethej

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juski:

quiet in ere innit??

[11:51:26]

Zider:

what?! speak up, I can't hear you thru all the noise!!

[11:51:52]

dscoular:

Juski, sure am... emerge (130 of 165)... sigh...

[11:52:57]

juski:

eh? I'm sure emergeing X & mythtv wasn't that many packages when I did it yesterday. are you pulling in gnome or kde or something?

[11:53:32]

dscoular:

emerge -e world was actually 725 packages when I started out... I keep having to emerge --resume --skip-first

[11:54:16]

dscoular:

s/skip-first/skipfirst

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juski:

backing up my install now

[11:56:14]

dscoular:

I backed up before I started down this nightmare path

[11:56:47]

juski:

backing up to another partition, then gonna clone the disk

[11:57:27]

juski:

and then.. well I can start paring the install down to the minimum then

[11:59:21]

dscoular:

I spent the day converting livecd distro's to large initrd PXE bootable RAM based installs... twas fun :)

[11:59:41]

dscoular:

Needs lots of RAM though :(

[11:59:52]

juski:

this will ultimately be going down the nfsroot way

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juski:

bootloader on a 32MB DoM :-)

[12:00:12]

dscoular:

I like pxe+nfsroot

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dscoular:

erm... DoM ?

[12:00:37]

juski:

flash that plugs into an IDE connector – disk on module ;-)

[12:01:23]

Zider:

like a solid state disk?

[12:01:25]

gardengnome:

juski: grub even supports pxe. i haven't tried it yet, though.

[12:01:31]

gardengnome:

Zider: yep, kinda

[12:01:38]

dscoular:

ah... I hear good things about dietlibc if you are trying to squeeze things.

[12:01:43]

juski:

gardengnome: I know grub supports PXE.. PXEgrub it's called ;-)

[12:01:54]

gardengnome:

juski: heh ;)

[12:02:11]

juski:

dscoular: I don't think I need to go quite that far. not keen on relinking everything anyway

[12:02:24]

dscoular:

Yeah... I'm using pxelinux... it doesn't need to be recompiled for each network driver

[12:02:30]

juski:

gardengnome: s100 box number 2 will soon be on its way to me

[12:02:42]

dscoular:

grub has the beginnings of a UNDI driver but I couldn't get it to work

[12:03:03]

juski:

UNDI? like jockeys & boxer shorts? :-P

[12:03:06]

dscoular:

http://kboot.sf.net looks very, very interesting... but is a little early days yet.

[12:03:43]

dscoular:

Universal Network Driver Interface

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dscoular:

It's how PXE talks to the network without knowing anything about the card h/w

[12:04:13]

juski:

oh shit.. will rewriting the partition table screw up the MBR?

[12:04:14]

gardengnome:

juski: nice. how much?

[12:04:35]

juski:

gardengnome: 50.50 EUR delivered to UK

[12:05:11]

gardengnome:

juski: not bad.

[12:05:15]

juski:

damn guy only takes bank xfers though :-/

[12:05:33]

gardengnome:

so what would you have preferred? paypal?

[12:05:42]

juski:

yeh paypal every time

[12:06:01]

juski:

costs a fortune in the UK to send money overseas

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neuro_ is now known as general_zod

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juski:

minimum like £8 whatever the amount

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general_zod is now known as neuro_

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juski:

damn. I was just about to kneel before him, too. never could stand that Superman dude

[12:07:50]

gardengnome:

superman dude?

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gardengnome:

wtf?

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juski:

general_zod...

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gardengnome:

ah, k

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Beirdo:

s

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Beirdo:

this morning stuff is so overrated

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prologic:

What port does the backend run on ?

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prologic:

ie: for remote mythtvfrontend's to use ?

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qu0zl:

lsof | grep -i listen

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qu0zl:

as root

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prologic:

6543 apparently

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prologic:

6543/tcp open mythtv

[13:36:50]

prologic:

6544/tcp open mythtv

[13:36:52]

prologic:

though I have two

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qu0zl:

and 6544 on my unit

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prologic:

trying to get a windows box to connect to my backend

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prologic:

keep getting a DSmyth failure on startup though

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prologic:

we've set it to connect to the backend in the settings

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Therx:

what's the best way of setting up a computer just to act as a recorder? i.e. sits in a corner, records programs, and offers them as mpegs over the network. this is with a kworld dvb-t pci card (conexant chip set)

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Merlin83b:

Therx: Install MythTV.

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Merlin83b:

You just described a backend.

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Therx:

which distro would be best?

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GreyFoxx:

Whatever one you know the best

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hashbang:

GreyFoxx: or knoppmyth, or mythdora or fedora + http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php

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GreyFoxx:

imho, using an "unknown" distro is just asking for annoyance. Howeverifthey are all unknown to you, then it's a dice roll :)

[14:11:41]

Therx:

i've used slack mostly before

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** GreyFoxx uses Slackware exclusivley when it's my choice **

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dev:

slackwares cool for a streamlined linux install

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dev:

but as a desktop it gets kind of annoying with depends

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dev:

unless you use yum or something, but then why not just go with fed0ra ;p

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Kelerion:

on my way to getting this triple-head working right!

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GreyFoxx:

dev: I don't find it annoying, but to each their own:)

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Therx:

is slack 10.1 good enough? or should i download an up to date iso?

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dev:

GreyFoxx: too true, everyone has their preferences. =]

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GreyFoxx:

Therx: my myth boxes are all running 10.1

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Therx:

ok, so quick guide, install slack as normal. what partitions? then what? download mythtv from...

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GreyFoxx:

are you google impaired ?

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GreyFoxx:

www.mythtv.org for the source

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GreyFoxx:

there are docs there as well

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GreyFoxx:

including basic source install instructions

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Therx:

thx... i wondered if there were any slack specfic stuff, i'm quite capable of visiting the myth site :P

[14:37:10]

prologic:

hmm

[14:37:18]

prologic:

we've got winmyth installed and working

[14:37:22]

prologic:

however it can't watch livetv

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prologic:

any ideas ?

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gardengnome:

winmyth does not work with 0.19.

[14:38:14]

gardengnome:

it is not maintained anymore.

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prologic:

oh

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prologic:

is there anything for windows that does ?

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gardengnome:

not at the moment, no. but someone is porting mythtv to windows (google summer of code project). so there may be something in autumn

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prologic:

ahh k

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DrNickRiviera:

looking forward to seeing how that works out

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gardengnome:

i'm more interested in mythexport :)

[14:54:11]

DrNickRiviera:

not that i'll use it, but might be good as a secondary front end for some people that use windows beside linux

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dev:

i like the sound of teh commflag rework

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dev:

(soc06)

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dev:

its pretty accurate for me now, but new ways of detection is always a good thing

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speedsix:

Howdy all

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Zider:

has anyone got mythstream 0.17 to compile?

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juski:

Zider: I think someone once had it working with myth 0.18, but there's scant evidence of it

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onetwo:

Zider: there is a new version that compiles and works with current svn, did it two days ago

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onetwo:

it's an unofficial version and requires some editing of themes by hand

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onetwo:

by did it I mean compiled it.

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** speedsix has just got mytharchive working, go me **

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speedsix:

has a few bugs though

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speedsix:

Does mythstreamtv work with latest svn mythweb?

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onetwo:

I had to mangle it abit to get it to work, as the themes changed, that was a couple of months ago, but there might be a version that works straight off now.

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juski:

onetwo: what was to mangle with the themes? menu buttons?

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onetwo:

juski, regards mythstream it just worked, regards mythstreamtv the location of the files under themes changed and required references in the files to reflect to new locations.

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juski:

might have to have a go with mythstream at some point then

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speedsix:

gah, mytharchive now fails with a dvdauthor error :(

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juski:

minimyth has it but I never got it to work

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prologic:

Hi, why do I get this on my frontend ?

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prologic:

2006-06–15 02:19:11.786 MythPlugin::Init() dlerror: /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/liblibmythtv.so.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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prologic:

2006-06–15 02:19:11.787 Unable to initialize plugin 'mythtv'.

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juski:

wrong library path?

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speedsix:

there's a extra lib slung in there for some reason

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prologic:

ahh k

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prologic:

so the error can be ignored ?

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prologic:

because the library it's asking for doesn't exist

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speedsix:

that end bit should be libmythtv.so

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speedsix:

not liblibmythtv.so.so

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prologic:

hmm

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Led-Hed:

I'm trying to select all usernames that do not end in '@mydomain.com ' but cant seem to get it to work. SELECT username FROM mailbox WHERE username != '%@mydomain.com '.

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Led-Hed:

oops. wrong channel

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Led-Hed:

sorry

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prologic:

speedsix, has this been fixed ?

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prologic:

I had applied mythtv-0.19 fixes to my port

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prologic:

but maybe this has only been fixed recently ?

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speedsix:

it's a problem with the way myth is trying to find a lib file, just looking on mine a sec

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speedsix:

prologic, I'm not sure why it's doing that. Sure someone else may have an idea

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prologic:

hmm k

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prologic:

also for no apparent reason my program guide and recorded programs is empty in the frontend

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prologic:

however the mysql data is still there

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prologic:

and there are no connection issues with eitehr the backend or db

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prologic:

livetv still works

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prologic:

any ideas ?

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speedsix:

prologic, I'm not sure, what have you upgraded from > to?

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prologic:

nothing

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prologic:

jsut seems to be playing up atm

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prologic:

hrmm

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prologic:

everything is empty

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prologic:

it's weird

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prologic:

though if I run nuvexport it is able to display what's available for exporting

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prologic:

and no errors are showing up either in the console of the mythfrontend or the mythbackend logs

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speedsix:

if you run the frontend from the command line does that print any errors?

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speedsix:

oh right I see

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speedsix:

not changed your hostname have you?

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prologic:

think I found my problem

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prologic:

it can't write to /tmp

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prologic:

Can't create/write to file '/tmp/#sql_73d9_0.MYI' (Errcode: 17)

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onetwo:

anyone know how to get a nova-s working?

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prologic:

no I haven't changed my hostname

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marmoset:

prologic: that's kind of a weird erroro

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marmoset:

that means the file exists already

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marmoset:

I dunno how it would get in that state with a random filename ;)

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xris:

GreyFoxx: ping

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speedsix:

I'm trying to use Mytharchive and it's failing at the dvdauthor stage. Tried running dvdauthor manually with the .xml mytarchive generated and it seg faults. Tried latest dvdauthor from source, same :(

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GreyFoxx:

xris: PONG

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xris:

GreyFoxx: cyberestore finally has the dual lnb bracket back in stock... just wanted to see if you thought/knew if it will attach to my dishnetwork dish or if I should get their 18" dish as well

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xris:

(or if I should just go for the full 75mm fta dish upgrade and get my wife mad at me)

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GreyFoxx:

Honestly I wouldn't know. Most of my dish hardware was picked by a friend of mine who does it for a living

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xris:

ok, will email them, then.

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Zider:

onetwo: yes, 0.17 is the new version, and I can't get it to compile..

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stuarta:

evening all

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Beirdo:

ahoy there

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gardengnome:

*yawn* g'day.

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stuarta:

anything interesting happening?

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Beirdo:

not much for me

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stuarta:

como es tu espanol?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I can understand more and more by the day

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Beirdo:

but I can't speak it

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Beirdo:

well, I can pronounce it fine

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Beirdo:

but I can't compose sentances

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gardengnome:

have fun with grammar :)

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Beirdo:

nah, that's easy enough

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Beirdo:

easier than English

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Beirdo:

you forget, I had like 11 years of French

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stuarta:

i got as far as needing to learn lots of verbs and names for things...

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stuarta:

at least the verb conjugation is easy, just takes a bit of learning

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Beirdo:

well, I'll be fine, it just takes time

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Beirdo:

yeah

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gardengnome:

depends, the different tenses are annoying ;)

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Beirdo:

as I said... 11 years of French

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stuarta:

gardengome, that's the bit that needs learning, just takes practice.

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gardengnome:

heh ;)

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Beirdo:

and if you use the wrong tense, many won't notice

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gardengnome:

stuarta: unfortunately, i don't get much practice. i need to spend more time in spain

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stuarta:

all the latin derived languages are easy once you know one...

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: my spanish teacher always says: 'in dubio pro indefinido' ;)

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scopeuk:

my french teacher told me to chose a diferent subject ;-)

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Beirdo:

heheh

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gardengnome:

damn mythtv. i can't find episodes of 'the simpsons' i haven't seen yet.

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stuarta:

it's not our fault you've watched *all* of them

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gardengnome:

i don't think i watched all of them. they're just re-broadcasting the same episodes all the time.

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m13a8:

lol

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stuarta:

i've the same problem with futurama

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scopeuk:

yeh becouse fox cut futurama

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scopeuk:

straight to dvd movies woot

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scopeuk:

any one else noticed the profesors voice changes alot?

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kormoc:

Good news everybody, My voice changes a lot due to cancer from smoking those cancer sticks as a kid...

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** kormoc watches it cut to an amusing flashback **

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AngryElf1:

anyone experienced mfe seg faulting when entering the edit keys menu?

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juski:

re

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stuarta:

gday

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juski:

taking a break from hacking tonight :-)

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stuarta:

you or me?

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juski:

I am. seen enough of my ugly mug reflected in a terminal window ;-)

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juski:

speaking of cartoon series (earlier) – what series is American Dad up to now?

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juski:

the bbc just stopped showing it with no word of when it was coming back :-/

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kormoc:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0397306/

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kormoc:

2 it would appear

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juski:

so I've not missed any then.. wooo

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juski:

just seen an interesting link on the mythtvtalk forum about a hardware decoder thingummy made by Micronas... googling

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Mattwj2005:

I wonder if it can be done......HDTV 1080i using a PCHDTV-5500 and GeForce4 MX 128 MB on a 1.2 Ghz Celron with 384 MB of Ram and a 80 GB HD drive (will probably upgrade the HD later)

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stuarta:

mwahahaha

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kormoc:

likely not, but let us know

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stuarta:

i vote 99% not

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Mattwj2005:

the recording aspect should work right?

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kormoc:

should

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awa64:

So, anyone want to help me troubleshoot why my KnoppMyth install won't boot? I still think the problem is that it won't let me write to the MBR...

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** stuarta agrees **

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kormoc:

awa64, what did the diag tool I linked you last night say?

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awa64:

dunno--haven't had a chance to run it yet. I'll do that now.

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Mattwj2005:

well I might be forced to setup a frontend on my laptop....that system is 3 GHz P4 M with HT 1 GB of ram and !00 GB HD

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** awa64 dons a fedora and grabs his whip and leather jacket so that he may quest for a floppy disc **

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kormoc:

Woah, hard drives are just strange now a days, a factorial 00 GB HD

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Mattwj2005:

last night at work I was looking at this website....http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC

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Mattwj2005:

And I noticed this configuration....I was wondering if my setup would work "1 Ghz AMD TBird 256MB DDR 64MB GeForce4 MX 440 HD (1080i) 65–70% 100% Bob Bob LFS & compiled .19 fixes branch OSD is in B&W, but 1080 is smooth and watchable, with the occasional stutter when switching channels on live, or the OSD is on. Frontend still complains of the occasional prebuffer pause. Without XvMC, HD stutters a lot."

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kormoc:

Honestly, XvMC is a flaky beast

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kormoc:

when it works well, it works really well

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kormoc:

but it sometimes goes the other way, and works worse

[19:17:38]

kormoc:

and other times it just doesn't work at all

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Mattwj2005:

hmmm

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kormoc:

so yes, tehre is a chance your setup will work fine, it's worth a try

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jams:

and sometimes it likes to taunt you

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kormoc:

but it's more likely to not work

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** jams agrees with kormoc **

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Mattwj2005:

I realize that HDTV playback is near impossible without a good graphics card and Xvmc.....what makes it work well?

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awa64:

Okay. Just realized this laptop doesn't have a floppy disc.

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awa64:

drive.

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kormoc:

Mattwj2005, uhh, donno. I feel it's the motherboard chipset/quality, but no real reasons other then my experences

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Mattwj2005:

okay cool cool

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Mattwj2005:

hey one other quick question about this setup....does the pchdtv-5500 have hardware encoding for analog channels?

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Mattwj2005:

if nothing else that would be nice if it did :)

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Mattwj2005:

hey any of you guys do transcoding with HDTV?

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onetwo:

I have just got a Nova-s card, what is out there for me to get? I have a sky digital dish pointing at sky digital. How do I get bbc hd? Is there a readme?

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speedsix:

Howdy all, I'm trying to get mytharchive working but dvdauthor seems to be segfaulting, I've tried latest from source but same problem??

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onetwo:

I upgraded my kernel earlier, and tried some of the settings from some of the google'd pages but couldn't lock onto anything

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awa64:

can't seem to find a way to run that program, kormoc.

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kormoc:

awa64, well, you could put the drive in a different computer

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JoeyJoeJ1:

does myth have any features like slingbox where I could watch my programs anywhere as long as I'm online?

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awa64:

I really don't want to dig the system out from under my desk and crack it open. It's also my only current desktop system. (I've got this laptop I'm working from, but it doesn't really have room for a full-size HDD.)

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metalac:

anyone knows what could cause some random freezes?

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metalac:

the screen just freezes mostly after i change a channel

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awa64:

liquid nitrogen?

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metalac:

maybe a minute or so after i change

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** awa64 knows nothing **

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awa64:

However, through this whole process, I do have some new lucky finds.

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metalac:

and on occasion it would freeze an hour or so into watching a tv

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awa64:

Apparantly, Ubuntu thinks the HDDs are read-only too.

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kormoc:

awa64, it really sounds like some sort of hardware issue, given all every other os then windows thinks the drive is read-only

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kormoc:

awa64, which is what those diag utils check

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speedsix:

Anyone know how to use the digital freeview 'press red' interactive gubbins with svn myth?

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jams:

might be the boot sector virus protection

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speedsix:

juski, you about?

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awa64:

Jams--that could be it. I'll try disabling that.

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awa64:

If not, I'll try re-installing Windows and run the thingy from there.

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EmergeTW:

evening everyone

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speedsix:

no one know anything about the MHEG uk stuff?

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stuarta:

speedsix: vaguely

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speedsix:

how do I initiate it when the little 'press red' doobry pops up?

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stuarta:

think you need to do some keybindings for it.

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EmergeTW:

anyone have any idea why ivtv framebuffer would be causing my system to freeze during/imediatly after its loading process?

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awa64:

Okay, just did SOMETHING to check, and it definitely doesn't seem like a hardware issue.

[20:09:24]

awa64:

Or at least, not a HDD issue.

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sphery:

speedsix: I think the keybindings are F2-F7 (R, G, Y, B, Exit, Text)

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speedsix:

sphery thanks, I seem to have removed those bindings as I wanted to use the F keys for Jumpoints. Do you know which keybinding I need to fill back in?

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speedsix:

I'm looking on the mythweb keybindings section..

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sphery:

ITV Menu context

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speedsix:

thanks

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speedsix:

why is it lalbelled ITV?

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sphery:

MENURED (and GREEN, YELLOW, BLUE, TEXTEXIT, and MENUTEXT)

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sphery:

Interactive TV?

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speedsix:

I see!

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snakethej:

anyone know how to make a network where my main computer is WIRED and two other computers are WIRELESS ?

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sphery:

Just guessing--I'm not a UK user...

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speedsix:

good guess ;)

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kormoc:

snakethej, sure, get a wireless router and put wireless adapters in the two computer to be wireless

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snakethej:

how does my main computer stay wired though?

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awa64:

So, any ideas, anyone?

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gardengnome:

snakethej: with cables, i suppose

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kormoc:

snakethej, wireless routers tend to have wired jacks on them

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awa64:

Still won't install--it thinks HDB is read-only too.

[20:12:32]

speedsix:

on a slightly related note, I've noticed jump points don't work very well when anywhere except the main menus?

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kormoc:

snakethej, my wireless router has 4 wired ports and the wireless part

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awa64:

Mine too.

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snakethej:

o ok

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snakethej:

what router do u have

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kormoc:

Linksys wrt54g

[20:13:31]

awa64:

SMC WBR14G

[20:14:31]

kormoc:

of course, a few minutes on google would have told you the same thing.

[20:14:40]

snakethej:

so cable modem goes to router, and it has a wired part to go to my comp, and the other computers connect with their wireless carsd?

[20:14:44]

** kormoc nods **

[20:14:56]

snakethej:

sorry i didnt know it had additional wired ports

[20:14:57]

snakethej:

;/

[20:15:42]

awa64:

sa'ight.

[20:15:52]

kormoc:

in my case, my network is cable modem -> vonage router -> wrt54g wired to desktop and server, wireless to another linksys router -> mythbox

[20:16:06]

awa64:

So... kormoc, I know it's not the HDD crapping out on me. Any ideas on what the problem could be?

[20:16:31]

snakethej:

im trying to plan out this mythbox ... and the hardest part i think will be the network. i have bad luck with networks

[20:16:35]

kormoc:

awa64, well, it could be the motherboard ide controler driver not being supported. What's the motherboard

[20:16:47]

awa64:

er... I have absolutely no idea.

[20:17:08]

awa64:

I think it's an ECS, and it's a P4-era 2GHz Celeron.

[20:17:35]

kormoc:

lspci | grep -i ide

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awa64:

ok

[20:18:01]

awa64:

shall check that now--after it reboots. (Was checking to see if bios had any identifying info.)

[20:20:49]

awa64:

0000:00:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Winfast TV2000 XP (rev 05)

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kormoc:

anything else?

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awa64:

0000:00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82X686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)

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kormoc:

there you go

[20:22:02]

kormoc:

you need to research the linux driver for that chipset

[20:22:35]

awa64:

OK.

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awa64:

...any suggestions for where to start other than "google"?

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kormoc:

you could check the kernel documentation

[20:25:02]

awa64:

OK.

[20:25:03]

kormoc:

get the driver that it's using

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Mattwj2005:

hey anyone have a HDTV mythtv box?

[20:25:43]

awa64:

Should I just download and install Debian or some linux distro with good hardware support and install Myth on top of that?

[20:25:50]

kormoc:

sure

[20:26:00]

kormoc:

fedora is a very common distro

[20:26:09]

Mattwj2005:

knoppmyth! :P

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awa64:

That's what I'm trying, and it's not working, Matt.

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kormoc:

Mattwj2005, that's the one he's having issues with

[20:26:40]

Mattwj2005:

oh okay :)

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awa64:

Fedora have better hardware support than Debian or SUSE? I'm looking to make the experience as easy as possible, and I'm leaning toward Debian for Apt-Get purposes.

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kormoc:

fedora has apt-get

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awa64:

any distinct advantages over Debian or Suse?

[20:27:52]

kormoc:

and yeah, fedora tends to have newer drivers and thus better support (for some hardware)

[20:27:58]

stuarta:

awa64: it's the kernel that has the hardware support & fc5 & deb testing both have 2.6.16

[20:28:06]

kormoc:

more user support

[20:28:13]

Mattwj2005:

ubuntu installs pretty easy....but the distro only comes with binaries for 18.1

[20:28:29]

kormoc:

fedora also has a really good howto on installing myth

[20:28:37]

awa64:

OK, I shall give Fedora a shot then.

[20:29:23]

Mattwj2005:

awa64....what problems are you having anyways?

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kormoc:

Mattwj2005, his harddrive is set to read-only

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awa64:

Weird part is that it does set up the partitions properly.

[20:30:35]

Mattwj2005:

how can it be only set to read-only?

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Mattwj2005:

:-s

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awa64:

I don't rightly know, but that's the error message it keeps spitting at me.

[20:31:09]

awa64:

Ubuntu Live says that, KnoppMyth says that... Windows, oddly enough, though, doesn't.

[20:32:07]

Mattwj2005:

never seen that before .... that's computers for you :)

[20:32:18]

kormoc:

Mattwj2005, usally there are a few causes taht can do that. there is a read-only flag set on the drive itself, but that is off, the drive could be damnaged and smart set it to read-only, but that doesn't seem like the case, the kernel could think it's damnaged, and set it to readonly, but no dmesg output saying that, the filesystem could set it to readonly, but that's per partition, not for the entire drive, and finally it could be mounted readonly, b

[20:32:18]

kormoc:

ut he's not telling it to, so it should default to rw

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gardengnome:

maybe it's formatted with ntfs?

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kormoc:

gardengnome, he's repartitioned it and reformatted many times

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awa64:

It was NTFS before that, though.

[20:33:15]

Mattwj2005:

did it just set itself to read only one day?

[20:33:25]

awa64:

And I don't think it's ever done a full low-level format.

[20:33:35]

awa64:

Just boot record wipes.

[20:33:40]

awa64:

Could the NTFS thing really cause that?

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Mattwj2005:

you guys want to know something interesting?

[20:34:42]

awa64:

ok

[20:34:45]

awa64:

Why not?

[20:34:46]

Mattwj2005:

I can get a mythfrontend running on a 350 Mhz system :)

[20:35:11]

kormoc:

awa64, if you want to low level format it, dd /dev/zero /dev/hda

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scopeuk:

Mattwj2005 notfar off my combined box

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scopeuk:

Mattwj2005 my combined is a 433

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awa64:

"unrecognized operation /dev/zero"

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kormoc:

Mattwj2005, well, it can run on a 486 if you really wanted, but the question is how fast is it?

[20:36:22]

kormoc:

awa64, hrm, oops, one sec

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Mattwj2005:

for video though kormoc?

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kormoc:

awa64, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda

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Mattwj2005:

I can play my analog content on that

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kormoc:

heh, fair nuff

[20:37:32]

Mattwj2005:

now if I just get a hdtv system to run on a 1.2 Ghz processor that would rock

[20:38:08]

kormoc:

awa64, that command will take awhile, might want to get some coffee

[20:38:35]

awa64:

I kinda figured that.

[20:38:55]

awa64:

Not much of a coffee drinker--may get a can of soda and some ice, though.

[20:39:09]

Mattwj2005:

Diet Dew Awa64?

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awa64:

Nah, if I do Dew I do regular.

[20:39:39]

awa64:

I've got some Vault, some diet A&W, and some Diet Dr Pepper.

[20:39:41]

gardengnome:

Mattwj2005: does it work well on 350mhz? i tried to underclock my p3 to ~ 350 mhz but that didn't work well.

[20:40:00]

Mattwj2005:

it is usable

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gardengnome:

get some booze instead, that helps a lot when you're setting up mythtv.

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** kormoc sadly won't drink Mt. Dew anymore **

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Mattwj2005:

it takes it a bit to respond.....I haven't tried any other my recording playback....I doubt Divx, h264, etc wouldn't work

[20:41:47]

gardengnome:

Mattwj2005: are you using xvmc?

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awa64:

I don't have the type of identification to do booze.

[20:42:37]

Mattwj2005:

no....I do have a 3d card in it though...but I don't think xvmc is enable

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** stuarta suffers a beer fault... **

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gardengnome:

Mattwj2005: what are you using for recording then?

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Mattwj2005:

a 1.2 Ghz Celeron

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gardengnome:

Mattwj2005: no, what capture card?

[20:44:48]

Mattwj2005:

384 MB ram a software decorder

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Mattwj2005:

an old WinTV card

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gardengnome:

ah, ok. rtjpeg?

[20:45:26]

Mattwj2005:

mpeg4

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gardengnome:

not bad.

[20:46:06]

Mattwj2005:

thanks

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stuarta:

mmm, beer fault debugged & fixed

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awa64:

hrm.

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juski:

speedsix: you about? try pressing the F keys til something pops up ;-)

[21:05:27]

juski:

by 'f' I mean function of course...

[21:06:02]

juski:

hey – only 198 more hours of mythtv to watch then I'll be back in the black :-/

[21:07:18]

snakethej:

sweet amazon let me get prime for free, instead of 5–9 days to ship, its only 2

[21:07:26]

snakethej:

just ordered a pvr-500

[21:07:50]

awa64:

I'm considering buying a Hauppage myself, if I ever get my box working.

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awa64:

Currently, I have an ATI PCI TV Wonder.

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awa64:

It suuuuucks.

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snecklifter:

quit

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awa64:

10% of Fedora downloaded.

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** awa64 blows into one of those noisemakers that extends then rolls back up **

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gardengnome:

let's get the part-ay started!

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** stuarta has beer **

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** juski has Jack Daniels **

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** stuarta has a fresh bottle of JD **

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** gardengnome has water **

[21:16:23]

** stuarta tries to turn water to wine & fails **

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** scopeuk has OJ **

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** stuarta has vodka too **

[21:16:46]

scopeuk:

shortly to be rplaced with tea

[21:16:52]

juski:

turning water to wine? is that like me trying to make a distro of my own? :-P

[21:17:19]

stuarta:

juski: you are more likely to succeed

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juski:

heh

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scopeuk:

stuarta thats questionable

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** scopeuk ducks **

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stuarta:

hehe

[21:19:29]

** juski is in an exceptionally good mood. has been watching ' the usual suspects' **

[21:20:25]

awa64:

Great movie.

[21:20:50]

stuarta:

I've watched 'resident evil' and now watching 'kiss of the dragon'

[21:21:06]

speedsix:

juski, got it working, pretty cool

[21:21:23]

scopeuk:

stuarta kiss of the dragon si a fantastic movie

[21:21:34]

juski:

they made a film about a window manager? sounds a bit dull

[21:21:48]

stuarta:

not to bad so far.

[21:21:53]

stuarta:

juski: the computer game.

[21:22:09]

** speedsix is watching The Rock, quality cheese-fest :) **

[21:22:28]

stuarta:

mutant zombies, rabid viruses etc.

[21:22:40]

juski:

sounds nice

[21:22:40]

snakethej:

wut fedora core do i want, i386, x86_64, ppc ?

[21:22:51]

stuarta:

sounds like everyone is catching up on their B-movies...

[21:23:01]

Zider:

snakethej: depends on what cpu you have

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snakethej:

AMD 1800+

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speedsix:

x86

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speedsix:

i386 sorry

[21:23:51]

scopeuk:

normal pcs are x86 or i386 always

[21:24:13]

scopeuk:

x86_64 is for the 64bit procs that also work with normal 32 bit distros

[21:24:59]

speedsix:

juski, what a the 301 etc. channels, aren't they used for the MHEG doodad?

[21:25:18]

juski:

speedsix: they're the 'interactive' crap like radio1 video feeds & stuff

[21:25:53]

speedsix:

sooo they're switched to from various 'press red' menu thingies?

[21:26:03]

speedsix:

i.e I need them in my channel list?

[21:26:11]

juski:

kind of

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juski:

you can just watch em normally to see if anything's on I think

[21:26:34]

speedsix:

yeah

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juski:

or maybe they use the MHEG to cover the PIDs

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stuarta:

speedsix: the mheg selects video & audio from the 300 channels

[21:29:02]

stuarta:

certain channels that want you to pay for their content use mheg to hide the video & audio as juski mentioned

[21:29:20]

juski:

I've recorded from 301 before on the svn box, but never tried it ordinarily

[21:29:33]

speedsix:

For example if I watch E4 it has a little press red for Live Big Brother

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stuarta:

it should change to 305

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speedsix:

but I don't have 301 in my table so it does nothing

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juski:

understandable

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stuarta:

301/2/3 are bbc

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speedsix:

oh right, so if I had 301–305 it should switch

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speedsix:

*add sorry

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snakethej:

can mythtv record satelite?

[21:31:18]

stuarta:

snakethej: with appropriate hardware, yes

[21:31:23]

juski:

snakethej: with a suitable dvb-s card or dvb-s card with CI & CAM, yes

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** stuarta does the winners dance **

[21:32:21]

snakethej:

sounds complicated :O

[21:32:46]

snakethej:

i think i might get a hacked receiver

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stuarta:

need the card, if encrypted, need the CAM & CI

[21:33:20]

juski:

snakethej: go get yourself sued, but don't talk about that shit in here ;-)

[21:33:25]

kormoc:

snakethej, just a for your info, we don't talk about hacking or cracking of things in here

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** gardengnome looks suspiciously at that nokia box in juski's cabinet **

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** speedsix has just realised mysql backup script is doing precisely squat :/ **

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speedsix:

empty .sql files gah

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stuarta:

oops

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snakethej:

i said THINK :P

[21:36:04]

juski:

gardengnome: what nokia box? I see no nokia box anywhere... ahh yes there it is... in the bin, still catting mpeg into /dev/null

[21:36:24]

snakethej:

and if i live in canada... it's not illegal ^_^

[21:36:49]

speedsix:

anyone suggest a pain in the arse free way of backing up my db, script I can put in cron maybe?

[21:36:59]

gardengnome:

juski: hehe

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stuarta:

speedsix: mysqldump should do the trick....

[21:37:29]

kormoc:

snakethej, yeah, but a bunch of the devs live in the us, and they don't want to get in trouble over it

[21:37:34]

kormoc:

snakethej, so it's their wish

[21:37:42]

snakethej:

how do multiple Hard drives in a mythbox work?

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speedsix:

can it do incremental backups, i.e rotate them?

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kormoc:

snakethej, look up LVM

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snakethej:

k

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juski:

and some of us like mythtv to exist and would like to see it stay that way

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stuarta:

speedsix: your script will need to do that...

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snakethej:

is LVM just a linux term?

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kormoc:

yes

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kormoc:

well, for the most part

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stuarta:

the concepts are the same no matter what platform

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speedsix:

the reason why the script I have isn't workign is because it can't find mysql dump, what package would that be part of?

[21:39:37]

stuarta:

it's usage is however confined normally to unix systems....

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stuarta:

speedsix: $PATH is unset in scripts.

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kormoc:

speedsix, mysql, but yeah, just toss in the full path

[21:40:42]

speedsix:

i only have the client package installed I think

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stuarta:

so while mysqldump works on the command line, it won't work in a script, as kormoc said, without the full path

[21:40:44]

snakethej:

ok, so LVM is like having two hard drives appear as one? like the /video folder can be parts of two hard drives?

[21:41:11]

juski:

LVM... total disk loss for the price of one! :-)

[21:41:40]

speedsix:

correction, I don't even have that. Muppet

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kormoc:

snakethej, aye

[21:41:42]

snakethej:

is what i said correct?

[21:41:54]

kormoc:

snakethej, or even 12 drives if you want

[21:41:54]

snakethej:

its not wise to do juski?

[21:42:02]

kormoc:

depends on how important your data is

[21:42:15]

kormoc:

if a disk in a LVM dies, you tend to lose the entire array

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juski:

snakethej: all I'm saying is that it'll increase the chances of a catastrophic drive failure messing things up

[21:42:26]

speedsix:

is LVM a way of combing 2 drives as one?

[21:42:26]

kormoc:

I don't care for my myth data, I can always rerecord

[21:42:29]

stuarta:

snakethej: lvm is normally used on top of redundant hardware, or software raid...

[21:42:33]

kormoc:

speedsix, aye

[21:42:56]

speedsix:

Can't see myself needing much mroe than the 300gb drive I have in there tbh

[21:43:19]

stuarta:

yeah, 300gb is a nice size...

[21:43:20]

juski:

you'll only end up with even more shows than you can watch ;-)

[21:43:42]

snakethej:

i think my drive is 80gb... would it be just better off if i didnt add a 20gb or two?

[21:43:43]

juski:

anyway.. time to call it a night...

[21:43:44]

speedsix:

juski, exactly

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Zider:

I have 120GB and haven't used much of it yet ;)

[21:43:55]

juski:

g'night all

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speedsix:

night chap

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speedsix:

my mysql back script now works

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kormoc:

snakethej, depends on your needs

[21:44:32]

speedsix:

I didn't have mysql installed *doh*

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kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

I have a 200 in my mythbox

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speedsix:

new umbongo install

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speedsix:

friend at work was telling me his MCE backend is absolutely croaking on old hardware

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speedsix:

mind you he's recording from 2 usb tuners onto a usb hard disk!!!

[21:48:22]

scopeuk:

theres a word that comes to mind

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scopeuk:

think it begins wit hs

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speedsix:

??

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snakethej:

how many hours at mpeg-2 is 80gb

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kormoc:

snakethej, depends on the quality you choose

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Dagmar:

Depends entirely on the bit rate

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scopeuk:

speedsix stupidity

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kormoc:

snakethej, I used to record at 600 megs per hour, which got me ~ 137 hours per 80 gigs

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speedsix:

lol yeah

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speedsix:

what I don't understand is their is no MCE 'frontend' for XP?? How dumb is that

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speedsix:

*there

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Dagmar:

What do you mean?

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speedsix:

From what he says, you need MCE or an X360 to connect to the backend

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Dagmar:

MCE doesn't particularly network it's resources

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scopeuk:

speed sticx there is remote desktop

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scopeuk:

although mce is dumb as hell

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scopeuk:

any way im off

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scopeuk:

l8rs

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speedsix:

later

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Dagmar:

I wasn't aware that MCE even ran as atomically separate services

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Dagmar:

It's just XP with some fancy video jukebox stuff strapped on

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speedsix:

You can stream tv but like I say you need an Xbox or another MCE pc to connect

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speedsix:

god knows why it's sold as a complete OS and not just an app for XP??

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Dagmar:

speedsix: Because they can charge more that way

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kormoc:

more $$?

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speedsix:

and you need 'special' drivers for your hardware

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kormoc:

and you don't in linux?

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speedsix:

no I mean the regular drivers you use in windows might not work, you need MCE specific drivers

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Dagmar:

With the notable exception of ivtv, generally no

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Dagmar:

Oh I see

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kormoc:

that's strange

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Dagmar:

MCE needs special drivers because XP won't normally allow it to do such crazy bypasses of security

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speedsix:

i.e friend has a card that has windows drivers but no MCE drivers

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snakethej:

wuts mce

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Dagmar:

Media Center Edition

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speedsix:

windows media centre jobbie

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snakethej:

oh so its not the PVR-500MCE u guys are talking about?

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speedsix:

no

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kormoc:

Milti Cnote Edition

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Dagmar:

hehe

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kormoc:

*multi

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Dagmar:

The only thing special about the PVR-500MCE is that it doesn't come with normal Windows drivers, which is actually no big deal

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Dagmar:

Frankly I'd kinda like to see how the OS breakdown is on sold PVR-500's

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speedsix:

I wonder if myth supports more hardware than mce

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Dagmar:

HUh?

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Dagmar:

Supporting hardware isn't Myth's responsibility, actually

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Dagmar:

That's kernel-space stuff

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speedsix:

well you know what I mean

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Dagmar:

MCE supports ATI stuff, like TV out on their Sooper Sekrit Hardware

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speedsix:

I have seen cards that work with linux but don't work properly with myth

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speedsix:

longshot but no-ones used mytharchive on dvb recordings have they?

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speedsix:

right then, I'm off, later :)

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WAR_CH|LD:

is it common to get mysql database corruption all the time in mythtv? I get it once a month, and then I have to run a mysqlcheck -r mythconverg

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WAR_CH|LD:

if it isn't common, I would liek ot know what cna cuase this, if it is I would like to know if it's safe to cronjob that command

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stuarta:

you shouldn't get it regularly....

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gardengnome:

maybe your /var/ is filling up?

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GreyFoxx:

or you arenot shutting mysql properly? orloosing power to the pc ?

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WAR_CH|LD:

12gb available. :)

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WAR_CH|LD:

pc's never get turned off

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WAR_CH|LD:

i'm getting it about once a month

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GreyFoxx:

I never do other than a powerloss in mid transaction

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: heya. i wonder if juski has already bugged you about an updated patch for this intel-agp driver ;)

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GreyFoxx:

garden I can whip one up in asec

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: that'd be awesome

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WAR_CH|LD:

deeper inspection of messages shows multiple restarts

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liran_:

is there a free service which provides me with a "real" number which i can route to asterisk?

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GreyFoxx:

try #sterisk

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GreyFoxx:

err #Asterisk

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GreyFoxx:

and I find it highly unlikely. Numbers cost money. Only a fool would give one out for free

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GreyFoxx:

but you might get an extension off a shared number

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gardengnome:

numbers? sipgate.de for germany ;)

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liran_:

oh right, sorry i didnt see the channel

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gardengnome:

(incoming calls for free, outgoing calls for $$)

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kormoc:

WAR_CH|LD, it could just be a bad build

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WAR_CH|LD:

no, looks liek the box restarted

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WAR_CH|LD:

for no apparent reason

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WAR_CH|LD:

causing some mysql issues, which caused more problems.

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WAR_CH|LD:

it did it twice

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finley:

what happened to http://deb.thehunter.ws/ ?

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finley:

is there another place to find the latest debs for Ubuntu breezy or dapper?

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gardengnome:

finley: check the -users archive

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bengoodger:

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