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| [00:19:12] | marmoset: | mythbackend is using a ton of system cpu, anyone have any hints about how to track down why? |
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| [00:20:34] | Juski: | marmoset: are you using DVB cards? |
| [00:20:40] | dscoular: | marmoset, strace would show you the system calls it's making. |
| [00:20:43] | marmoset: | Juski: yes |
| [00:21:00] | Juski: | that'll probably be EIT data collection hogging your CPU then |
| [00:21:02] | marmoset: | dscoular: yeah, but it's threaded so it's kinda hard to track down, I've tried it but haven't really gotten anywhere :/ |
| [00:21:24] | dscoular: | marmoset, you could profile it I guess |
| [00:21:27] | Juski: | it's a known but in 0.19 and it's still in 0.19-fixes at the moment |
| [00:21:35] | Juski: | s/but/bug |
| [00:21:40] | marmoset: | Juski: I recompiled with --disable-dvb-eit or whatever it was and it still seemed to do it :/ |
| [00:22:01] | Juski: | I dunno if it can be disabled that way |
| [00:22:13] | marmoset: | is there another way? |
| [00:22:17] | Juski: | mythtv-setup |
| [00:22:22] | dscoular: | 0.19-fixes svn is improving... I spent a whole day watching dvb-t live tv without problems for the first time since 0.18.1 |
| [00:22:39] | Juski: | svn head is amazing |
| [00:22:47] | marmoset: | Juski; oh, that thing about using eit in the tuner prefs will fix it? |
| [00:23:00] | Juski: | it'll stop eit data collection yes |
| [00:23:14] | marmoset: | sweet, thanks |
| [00:23:18] | dscoular: | Hmm, I'm not brave enough to try svn head... due to the WAF |
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| [00:23:51] | marmoset: | I've still got my hdtv machine as a separate test machine, too many problems :/ |
| [00:23:53] | Juski: | not 100% sure it'll fix the problem but go ahead & try. it's greatly improved in head & will be much, much better before long |
| [00:23:55] | marmoset: | it looks nice when it works tho |
| [00:24:33] | marmoset: | Juski: so it's the "Perform EIT Scan" ? |
| [00:24:37] | marmoset: | or is there something else? |
| [00:24:38] | Juski: | yup |
| [00:24:40] | marmoset: | ok |
| [00:24:58] | scopeuk: | catch me in a cuppel of weeks when i sudenly have alot of free time maby il risk svn then i mena hey it cant hurt fi the box does nothing any way |
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| [00:26:08] | Nikopol: | Is it possible that watching a program while recording another messes up the recording? |
| [00:26:20] | marmoset: | Juski: thanks for the info, I did find the one thread on the mailing list about it, but the recompile was the option there and it didn't do any good for me ;) |
| [00:26:27] | Nikopol: | I seem to get perfect recordings as long as I leave it all well alone |
| [00:26:36] | marmoset: | Nikopol: if you have limited resources somewhere sure |
| [00:26:52] | Nikopol: | marmoset, can't figure out where tho |
| [00:27:04] | Nikopol: | Athlon 712 Ram |
| [00:27:09] | Nikopol: | plenty of swap |
| [00:27:13] | marmoset: | disk? |
| [00:27:20] | marmoset: | is it a via motherboard? :) |
| [00:27:27] | Nikopol: | haha it's a pcchips |
| [00:27:30] | marmoset: | via chipset I mean |
| [00:27:37] | Nikopol: | which is crap so I gues it's via! |
| [00:27:42] | Dagmar: | Well, there's your problem right there |
| [00:27:50] | Nikopol: | but I've run myth on this exact board before |
| [00:27:50] | Dagmar: | It's one of those M??? boards isn't it |
| [00:27:52] | Nikopol: | no problemo |
| [00:28:04] | Nikopol: | erm don't think so |
| [00:28:05] | marmoset: | I was getting really frustrated with raid corruption (software raid), I eventually tracked it down to heavy PCI loads on a via motherboard |
| [00:28:11] | Nikopol: | ah |
| [00:28:15] | Dagmar: | Nikopol: One of the reasons PCChips is crap is that their products are of inconsistent quality |
| [00:28:31] | Nikopol: | Dagmar, yeah – that may explain this then |
| [00:28:38] | marmoset: | like when I did lots of transfers it would break (rsync + recording or something), but just one of the two would be perfect |
| [00:28:46] | Nikopol: | maybe needs a bios update then |
| [00:28:47] | Juski: | enough dissing via already. I used a via chipset board in my last backend, and in my current one... never have any issues |
| [00:28:57] | marmoset: | Juski: there are ones that are fine |
| [00:29:02] | Dagmar: | VIA isn't a problem, not since about 1998 anyway. |
| [00:29:05] | Nikopol: | marmoset, sounds like the asme problem as mine |
| [00:29:08] | laga: | night guys |
| [00:29:08] | Dagmar: | PCChips on the other hand... |
| [00:29:13] | Juski: | night laga |
| [00:29:37] | marmoset: | Nikopol; bios upgrade is worth a try, ideally you could figure out a way to recreate the issue easily so you could test |
| [00:30:01] | Nikopol: | marmoset, simple start a record then start watching it |
| [00:30:03] | marmoset: | I made a 50MB file from /dev/zero and copied it 10 times at a time and checked the md5 of each of them afterwards |
| [00:30:15] | Nikopol: | ah ok |
| [00:30:47] | marmoset: | Dagmar: I've had problems with asus via boards that were <2 years old. Computers just suck in general ;) |
| [00:31:01] | marmoset: | like, made in 2003 or 2004 |
| [00:32:13] | Dagmar: | Probably 3/4 of the PCChips boards I've seen had gone south |
| [00:32:33] | marmoset: | yeah, I always go for the cheap stuff at fry's and end up hating myself for it ;) |
| [00:32:34] | Dagmar: | They are the acme for "cheap components" |
| [00:32:56] | Dagmar: | Dude if you bought that ASUS board at Fry's there's a good chance someone else broke it |
| [00:33:00] | marmoset: | but it's not like the "high end" stuff fry's has is any good either |
| [00:33:01] | marmoset: | haha |
| [00:33:02] | marmoset: | totally |
| [00:33:09] | marmoset: | fry's is awful ;) |
| [00:33:14] | Dagmar: | Fry's has a tendency to re-shelve anything above a given complexity on the assumption that customers are idiots |
| [00:33:18] | marmoset: | yeah |
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| [00:33:24] | marmoset: | has to fail like 3 times before they actually ditch it |
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| [00:33:42] | Nikopol: | mm just checked another thing – it's not related to mythtv |
| [00:33:51] | marmoset: | unfortunately there aren't really any reasonable alternatives in the area |
| [00:34:05] | Nikopol: | if I play the nuv in mplayer it still messes up the recordign process |
| [00:34:05] | Dagmar: | marmoset: Fedex has you on a blacklist or something? |
| [00:34:18] | marmoset: | Dagmar: well maybe |
| [00:34:25] | marmoset: | butI want it now! |
| [00:34:31] | Dagmar: | I would rather have it cheap |
| [00:34:39] | marmoset: | I do get it from newegg most of the time |
| [00:34:40] | Nikopol: | is there anythign in the bios that could be set incorrectly ? |
| [00:34:57] | Dagmar: | NOw == brick & mortar store == pointlessly expensive & employees you'd rather stab in the eyes than listen to |
| [00:35:08] | Dagmar: | Nikopol: All sorts of things |
| [00:35:14] | marmoset: | Nikopol: unlikely, but a lot of bios's have a "set to failsafe" kinda thing you could try, in case it's overclocked or something |
| [00:35:15] | Nikopol: | Dagmar, oh |
| [00:35:28] | Nikopol: | marmoset, will give that a try |
| [00:35:30] | Dagmar: | Nikopol: I suggest looking for a BIOS update, and failing that, go into the BIOS and tell it to restore everything to defaults |
| [00:35:40] | Nikopol: | Dagmar, yeah – no bios update |
| [00:35:55] | Nikopol: | last one is the one I have |
| [00:36:07] | Dagmar: | Did you flash it in? |
| [00:36:29] | Nikopol: | the current one? |
| [00:36:29] | Nikopol: | yeah |
| [00:36:50] | Dagmar: | Okay. This is important... After you flashed it, did you tell it to reset all BIOS settings to their defaults? |
| [00:36:56] | Nikopol: | ah no |
| [00:37:02] | Dagmar: | Okay. Go do that then |
| [00:37:04] | Nikopol: | ok |
| [00:37:26] | Dagmar: | There are ways (that I'm not going into right now) that a BIOS update can screw with BIOS settings and make you have to reset to defaults |
| [00:37:48] | Dagmar: | ...even though everything will appear to be correct and sane settings |
| [00:38:15] | marmoset: | I wish there were standards motherboards should have to live up to before they could be sold |
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| [00:40:06] | tank-man: | what is a "marmoset" ? |
| [00:40:18] | tank-man: | i've seen that as a serial # before |
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| [00:40:34] | Nikopol: | Mmmm TS mode |
| [00:40:41] | Nikopol: | could that be the problem? |
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| [00:41:50] | marmoset: | tank-man: its' a kind of monkey |
| [00:42:17] | tank-man: | oh cool |
| [00:45:30] | Nikopol: | ac-tex damaged <- Is that the probelm |
| [00:47:47] | Dagmar: | huh? |
| [00:48:20] | dscoular: | ooh... someones porting zfs to fuse... http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE for google SoC |
| [00:49:00] | Nikopol: | mythbackend is spouting out errors |
| [00:49:12] | Nikopol: | mmm – I wonder if my card is not setup wrong |
| [00:51:17] | Nikopol: | how do I set the card to PS mode? |
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| [00:51:29] | jammyd: | dscoular: is there much overhead when using FUSE ? |
| [00:52:24] | Dagmar: | Nikopol: You dig through the setup menus until you find the recording profiles and change them. But the difference between TS and PS isn't going to affect what you're doing |
| [00:52:36] | Nikopol: | Dagmar, thanks |
| [00:52:47] | Nikopol: | are the transcoders an issue here? |
| [00:52:53] | Dagmar: | How should I know? |
| [00:52:59] | Nikopol: | or is that just for after you finish recording |
| [00:53:05] | Dagmar: | You're practically making shit up to guess at |
| [00:53:15] | Nikopol: | I.e. when do they come into play |
| [00:53:24] | Dagmar: | The transcoding applications have nothing to do with playing liveTV or recording TV |
| [00:53:28] | Nikopol: | ok |
| [00:53:30] | Nikopol: | thakns |
| [00:55:04] | dscoular: | jammyd, depends on the user-space filesystem you are talking about. All user-space based filesystems will be slower than kernel... but the actual userland filesystem will vary e.g. http-FS versus ssh-FS versus GmailFS versus EncFS will all differ. |
| [00:55:29] | dscoular: | jammyd, fuse lets you plug in different userland filesystems |
| [00:55:35] | jammyd: | I understand that |
| [00:55:58] | dscoular: | http://fuse.sourceforge.net/filesystems.html |
| [00:56:07] | jammyd: | There must be a constant overhead involved with using the FUSE api though – it's one level abstracted from the kernel – that's irrespective of what filesystem you're implementing on top |
| [00:56:19] | dscoular: | jammyd, yes. |
| [00:56:53] | jammyd: | OK, so do you have any idea what that might be? |
| [00:57:45] | LLyric: | small enough not to matter |
| [00:57:50] | znoG: | GmailFS any good? |
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| [00:59:25] | dscoular: | jammyd, duh... nope. |
| [00:59:45] | dscoular: | znoG, not really |
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| [01:00:42] | AngryElf: | auto-playing DVDs has never worked in my frontends — i've got it enabled and also monitoring it in general settings.....could it be something else? |
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| [01:07:19] | marmoset: | Juski: so far so good with mythbackend, really hope that was it, thanks |
| [01:12:13] | Dagmar: | Worth $50? |
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| [01:13:49] | marmoset: | I gave $50 to knoppmyth ;) |
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| [01:22:17] | Juski: | !!! |
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| [01:41:55] | Kelerion: | back :) |
| [01:42:04] | Kelerion: | oops... wrong window |
| [01:43:34] | ** eidolon is back too, and in the right window! ** | |
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| [01:46:06] | eidolon: | hmm. 'Out of Memory: Killed process 8562 (mythfrontend). |
| [01:46:09] | eidolon: | alrighty then. |
| [01:46:37] | hadees: | so i just installed lirc on my udev system but for some reason it isn't showing up in /dev, it did right after the install but it wouldn't work, when i restarted it wasn't there anymore. |
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| [01:58:06] | eidolon: | has anyone ever used the 'mythlcd'mentioned in the mythsetup program? |
| [01:59:15] | eidolon: | hm. seems to use lcdproc. |
| [01:59:20] | Juski: | morning Kelerion |
| [02:00:23] | Kelerion: | morning :) your up late |
| [02:00:41] | Kelerion: | as opposed to me who is up early :) |
| [02:01:17] | Kelerion: | hows the demo setup coming along? |
| [02:01:50] | Kelerion: | oh.. and btw.. have rescheduled holidays.. just so I cam make lugradio live :) |
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| [02:02:16] | hadees: | eidolon, yes |
| [02:02:56] | hadees: | this is driving me crazy, i don't get why lirc isn't creating the devices |
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| [02:05:52] | Juski: | Kelerion: how's the demo going? hmmm I got my s100 box running mythtv. and I'm up late because I've been tweaking. Just mapped the IR remote (which outputs ps2 keyboard presses) to real mythtv keys |
| [02:06:36] | Kelerion: | which remote is it? I have a twinhan that does that |
| [02:06:46] | Juski: | T-Online S-100 |
| [02:07:07] | Juski: | have you seen my pics of it yet? |
| [02:07:24] | Kelerion: | oooh... cool.. never heard of this machine before |
| [02:07:26] | Kelerion: | nope |
| [02:07:46] | Juski: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/s100 |
| [02:08:17] | Kelerion: | spec-wise? what is it? |
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| [02:09:01] | Juski: | celeron 733, 128MB ram, intel i830 VGA, LAN, wireless, audio, RGB SCART tv out, IDE, USB2... |
| [02:09:42] | Kelerion: | that can run a frontend? |
| [02:09:50] | Juski: | oh yeh |
| [02:10:02] | Juski: | playing back dvb recordings takes about 50% cpu |
| [02:10:11] | Kelerion: | niiice |
| [02:10:18] | eidolon: | juski, how much you finding them for? |
| [02:10:27] | Juski: | been hacking it all bloody week |
| [02:10:35] | Kelerion: | you have a thing for german pc's... I'm seeing a pattern.. lol |
| [02:10:40] | Juski: | eidolon: got mine for about £45 delivered from germany |
| [02:10:51] | Kelerion: | see? lol |
| [02:10:59] | Juski: | missed another today which went for 35 Euro |
| [02:11:03] | eidolon: | you should watch the dell GX115's and the like on ebay. $35-$60. no hacking needed. |
| [02:11:13] | Juski: | proper TV out though? |
| [02:11:16] | eidolon: | dell is unloading metric buttloads of these machines. |
| [02:11:27] | eidolon: | nah, my HDTV has VGA in :) |
| [02:12:20] | Juski: | heh |
| [02:12:52] | eidolon: | that's the MFE box i'm tinkering with now. |
| [02:13:18] | Kelerion: | Juski, what have you installed on it? ubuntu? |
| [02:13:28] | Juski: | gentoo |
| [02:13:32] | eidolon: | i use them for my biz – buying them by the handful... and went "Heyyy, i bet one of these would make a nice MFE." |
| [02:13:34] | Juski: | gonna strip it way down |
| [02:13:52] | Juski: | not even using a wm at the moment |
| [02:13:55] | Kelerion: | erm.. are those scart sockets on the back?? |
| [02:14:05] | Juski: | I said it had RGB SCART |
| [02:14:15] | Kelerion: | how's that handled in linux? |
| [02:14:20] | Kelerion: | just as a tv-out? |
| [02:14:27] | Juski: | with Intel's binary driver for TV out |
| [02:14:52] | Kelerion: | ok.. thats a cool trick |
| [02:15:05] | Juski: | haven't got drm working yet, but that needs a kernel patch AFAIK |
| [02:15:59] | Kelerion: | I bet that driver took some digging around for |
| [02:16:06] | Juski: | nah |
| [02:16:20] | Juski: | I slogged away at it all wed & thursday night |
| [02:16:32] | Juski: | then I RTFM on Friday & got it working in about 30 mins |
| [02:16:43] | ** Kelerion chuckles ** | |
| [02:16:54] | Juski: | 190 page document |
| [02:17:00] | eidolon: | anyone got recommenations for lcdproc – driven displays? would prefer something USB driven. serial ports are a pain. |
| [02:17:18] | eidolon: | i'd love to have a 4 line backlit display on the front of my mfe. |
| [02:17:27] | marmoset: | eidolon: yeah, sec |
| [02:17:30] | ** eidolon sex. ** | |
| [02:17:37] | marmoset: | what was that one |
| [02:17:43] | marmoset: | it has a bad name, but they're cool and linux friendly |
| [02:17:57] | marmoset: | bad name = silly name, not like they have a bad reputation |
| [02:18:18] | eidolon: | heh |
| [02:18:33] | marmoset: | trying to remember ;) |
| [02:18:35] | eidolon: | matrix orbital? |
| [02:18:39] | eidolon: | crystalfontz? |
| [02:19:03] | marmoset: | yeah |
| [02:19:05] | marmoset: | crystalfontz |
| [02:19:06] | eidolon: | http://www.crystalfontz.com/products/index-usb.html |
| [02:19:07] | marmoset: | just found it ;) |
| [02:19:12] | Juski: | aye so Kelerion... I think I can call meself a hacker now ;-) |
| [02:19:33] | marmoset: | I knew there was a z somewhere that it shouldn't be, just couldn't remember what it was |
| [02:19:47] | eidolon: | heh |
| [02:19:55] | Kelerion: | someone in the uk (Neil Bird on the myth list) has one of these: http://www.watercoolingshop.com/catalog/produ . . . ducts_id=392 |
| [02:20:33] | eidolon: | parallel port, huh? |
| [02:20:35] | eidolon: | hmm |
| [02:20:54] | Kelerion: | Juski, you didn't.. gasp! modify C code did you? |
| [02:20:55] | Juski: | for those boxes which have em... ;-) |
| [02:21:05] | eidolon: | jeez that would require a big honkin connector on the back. juski, yeah, that. |
| [02:21:05] | Juski: | Kelerion: did I eckers like |
| [02:21:11] | eidolon: | this is why i want usb :) |
| [02:21:13] | ** Kelerion laughs ** | |
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| [02:21:34] | marmoset: | eidolon: the crystalfontz one I have came with cables for both the internal USB headers you find on the motherboard, and for external |
| [02:21:41] | eidolon: | yeah |
| [02:21:48] | eidolon: | they're about $70 though. that's a little high. |
| [02:21:50] | eidolon: | but i might try it. |
| [02:21:52] | Juski: | Kelerion: I think I've done all the C coding I'll ever do already |
| [02:22:19] | ** Kelerion is just glad he hasn't done any C programming in over 10 years.. and is glad it's behind him ** | |
| [02:22:46] | Kelerion: | actually... *damn* it's nearly 20 years... |
| [02:22:49] | ** Kelerion feels old ** | |
| [02:22:51] | Juski: | the only thing I'd want to do is for mythtv, but that's already in more than capable hands |
| [02:23:13] | Dagmar: | You know what's good for that, Kelerion? |
| [02:23:18] | Kelerion: | to be honest.. I wouldn't even know where to start with code for mythtv.. way over my head nowadays |
| [02:23:42] | Kelerion: | Dagmar, alcohol.. I know.. am a frequent user |
| [02:23:48] | Dagmar: | No, young women. |
| [02:23:51] | ** Juski learned a valuable lesson this morning. showkey codes are totally different to X key codes ;-) ** | |
| [02:23:59] | AngryElf: | now that i'm using digital sound, myth's volume control no longer does anything, any ideas on fixing this? |
| [02:24:09] | Juski: | AngryElf: you don't |
| [02:24:14] | Kelerion: | AngryElf, you can't |
| [02:24:22] | marmoset: | AngryElf: use the volume control on your receiver? :) |
| [02:24:30] | Kelerion: | thats what I do |
| [02:24:33] | marmoset: | possibly via an irblaster |
| [02:24:48] | Juski: | and me – with my all-in-one zapperoony |
| [02:25:14] | Juski: | lordy it's early, man.. I better go shower & go to bed |
| [02:25:22] | Juski: | another job done! |
| [02:25:24] | Juski: | night all |
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| [02:25:28] | Kelerion: | my remote has a "universal volume control".. so no matter what mode I am on.. if I hit vol-up/vol-down ... it sends it to the reciever |
| [02:25:46] | marmoset: | nice |
| [02:26:08] | marmoset: | I wish that the firefly remote would do IR as well as the RF stuff |
| [02:26:10] | Kelerion: | it's just one of the all-in-one kameleons thingies |
| [02:27:00] | marmoset: | I still want a remote with like 2 buttons that just does what I want |
| [02:27:11] | marmoset: | it would have to be very smart though. |
| [02:27:19] | Kelerion: | mind-reading even |
| [02:27:22] | marmoset: | yes |
| [02:27:26] | marmoset: | but much more convenient |
| [02:27:42] | Kelerion: | more convenient than mind-reading? |
| [02:27:50] | AngryElf: | do IR blasters have the range to be fired across the room, or at least in a position to hit several different devices? |
| [02:28:11] | marmoset: | AngryElf: not in my experience, they need to be right up next to what you're trying to change |
| [02:28:19] | Kelerion: | AngryElf, depends on the ir reciever.. but generally yes |
| [02:28:26] | Dagmar: | Generally blasters have to be relatively close to the sensor they're trying to talk to |
| [02:28:34] | AngryElf: | awesome, oposing opinions! |
| [02:28:38] | marmoset: | FIGHT |
| [02:28:44] | ** Kelerion laughs ** | |
| [02:29:06] | Kelerion: | if IR was so bad my sky/dvd/amp/tv remotes wouldn't work |
| [02:29:27] | marmoset: | I don't knwo what the deal is, like my tivo remote was great, barely had to aim it |
| [02:29:39] | Kelerion: | hell.. my ir remote for my tv can be pointed *away* from the tv and still work |
| [02:29:39] | AngryElf: | considering this digital doesn't give me more than 2 channels, i'd say it wasn't worth the time :( |
| [02:30:03] | marmoset: | others, particularly ir blasters and things like palm IR, don't go more than 2' or so for me |
| [02:30:33] | marmoset: | AngryElf: I'm using my cable for my digital signal, getting like 6 channels (maybe more available, haven't looked into it yet tho) |
| [02:30:35] | Kelerion: | well yeah.. the IR you get on handhelds/laptops etc are just plain crap |
| [02:31:00] | marmoset: | Kelerion: it just seems weird, like, the remote is a much lower cost item than say my treo, but the IR on the remote is so much better |
| [02:31:55] | AngryElf: | marmoset, i'm not exactly sure what mine's doing, but my receiver only is detecting 2 channels |
| [02:32:11] | Dagmar: | The IR on the remote doesn't have to worry so much about killing it's batteries |
| [02:32:17] | Kelerion: | I know.. but they use different IR types.. IRDA .v. somethingelseIcan'tremeberthenameofrightnow |
| [02:32:40] | marmoset: | Dagmar: yeah, that's probably part of it, but the tivo remote went years on 2 AA's, so I can't imagine it was *that* much of a drain |
| [02:32:44] | Kelerion: | damn.. that difficult.. typing without spaces |
| [02:32:50] | marmoset: | hehe |
| [02:33:11] | marmoset: | I think they neutered palm IR so people wouldn't change channels at bars |
| [02:33:12] | marmoset: | I know I would |
| [02:33:29] | AngryElf: | i doubt that's why they did it |
| [02:33:38] | marmoset: | ;) |
| [02:33:48] | Dagmar: | No, it actually takes quite a bit of power to run the IR emitter |
| [02:34:01] | Kelerion: | yeah.. a company being awkward? unheard of! :P |
| [02:34:14] | Dagmar: | I even have one of those Handspring Visor modules that does IR. |
| [02:34:20] | Dagmar: | It gobbles up AA batteries like candy |
| [02:34:46] | Dagmar: | I think perhaps you overestimate the power of the rechargable batteries built into these things |
| [02:35:00] | Kelerion: | my kameleon does.. but thats the lightup display thing it has when it thinks it's being moved |
| [02:35:35] | Kelerion: | i.e... when a mouse is moved near it.. or a dog walks too close |
| [02:36:16] | Kelerion: | anyways... 3:36am... bedtime... g'night all :) |
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| [02:40:46] | marmoset: | is it possible to have myth set up to record to a temporary place, then once it's done move it to the final locatation? similar to the /cache stuff for live tv |
| [02:41:08] | jams: | marmoset- yep I use userjobs for that |
| [02:41:41] | jams: | it's a modified version of the archive script that can be found in the contrib dir |
| [02:41:43] | marmoset: | jams: it still ends up in the recordings section with all the metadata and stuff tho? |
| [02:42:11] | jams: | yes that is how mine works |
| [02:42:20] | marmoset: | cool, I'll check it out |
| [02:42:37] | jams: | like I said it's modified, but I think the orig does that as well |
| [02:42:57] | marmoset: | I often get mpeg buffer overflows if it's recording two things at once |
| [02:43:06] | marmoset: | and then does commercial flagging or something |
| [02:43:46] | marmoset: | I'll put a scsi drive or two in for the live recordings, then have it move off to the sata stuff afterwards |
| [02:46:39] | jams: | marmoset- yeah I use local drives for recording then move stuff off to nas |
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| [02:56:43] | mchou: | god damn Frys! A mb+processor combo dropped $30 in about 3 wks. |
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| [02:57:27] | mchou: | at that rate they might as well give it away :) |
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| [03:12:46] | eidoLaptop: | *sigh* my external DVD player is pausing randomly for about 3 seconds. |
| [03:13:05] | eidoLaptop: | (my internal mythtv dvd drive is throwing errors, so i hooked up another player i had) |
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| [03:23:01] | hadees: | so anyone know why lirc might not create the devs on a udev linux install |
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| [03:28:22] | Agrajag-: | hadees: if it doesn't find the right device? if you're not loading the right module? |
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| [03:30:23] | hadees: | Agrajag-, i load lirc_atiusb |
| [03:30:29] | hadees: | thats what i have |
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| [04:08:51] | groogs_: | hi.. I can't get watch TV to work anymore (pvr-150, myth 0.19, debian testing). it was working a couple hours ago, and now it goes to a black screen for a few seconds, then just returns to the menu. i've only been messing with lirc since then. any ideas/where do i start looking? |
| [04:09:10] | groogs_: | oh, the channel scanner in mythtv-setup still detects the appropriate channels |
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| [04:55:58] | emja: | i'm sorry if this has been covered in faqs or whatever. just now built a mythtv system (via knoppmyth) and I the display on the TV is B&W and scrolling. I'm in a PAL region. The TV Out card is 'nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]'. Simple question; is this issue resolve via MythTV, KnoppMyth, or the video driver settings? |
| [04:56:33] | emja: | or maybe the VCR in between (connected via RCA cable)? |
| [04:57:00] | Agrajag-: | possibly your xorg setup. make sure you've set it to pal |
| [04:57:16] | emja: | ahh, I don't believe I forgot xorg. |
| [04:57:19] | ** emja slaps himself ** | |
| [04:57:20] | mchou: | emja: most likely wrong tuner setting |
| [04:57:32] | emja: | mchou: in the TV out card? |
| [04:57:41] | Agrajag-: | emja: you'll something like Option "TVStandard" "PAL-B" in the Screen section |
| [04:57:52] | mchou: | no, in the TV in card :) |
| [04:58:03] | emja: | Agrajag-: yep, makes sense. I'll attack that first, then mchou's suggestion |
| [04:58:11] | emja: | thanks guys |
| [05:03:44] | [LiFE]: | will MythTV work with Capture Cards that have VL4 drivers? |
| [05:04:29] | Dagmar: | yeah |
| [05:04:36] | [LiFE]: | sweet |
| [05:04:56] | [LiFE]: | the only linux distro I got my comp to work on without any hardware flaws is ubuntu |
| [05:05:10] | [LiFE]: | now to try myth |
| [05:05:44] | Dagmar: | hah |
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| [05:14:19] | LLyric: | emja: check the xorg logs to make sure it's doing pal, and not ntsc/secam |
| [05:15:06] | LLyric: | It should tell you what it's doing |
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| [05:22:54] | emja: | LLyric: knoppmyth uses xf86 rather than xorg, as near as I can tell |
| [05:24:24] | LLyric: | oh, sure. :) |
| [05:27:06] | emja: | LLyric: I grep'ed /v/l/XFree86.0.log and couldn't pal, ntsc, or secam |
| [05:27:23] | ** emja wonders if it's obvious that he doesn't really know what he's doing ** | |
| [05:27:28] | emja: | ;-) |
| [05:28:31] | LLyric: | Well, we've already got you pegged as a "it doesn't work, try a different distro guy" |
| [05:28:33] | LLyric: | :) |
| [05:28:37] | emja: | :-) |
| [05:28:51] | emja: | I'm used to RH/FC/etc |
| [05:29:03] | LLyric: | So stick with that, and sort out your problems with it |
| [05:29:11] | emja: | yeah, I'm thinking as much |
| [05:29:15] | LLyric: | Distros aren't that different |
| [05:29:26] | emja: | knoppmyth is a very tidy way of deploying mythtv |
| [05:29:33] | mchou: | screw that |
| [05:29:34] | LLyric: | I like fedora + atrpms |
| [05:29:35] | emja: | but just a little too left of field for me |
| [05:30:27] | mchou: | it's not as if switching distros will "solve" your problems |
| [05:30:41] | LLyric: | precisely |
| [05:31:02] | emja: | mchou: now, but I'll have a better chance of identifying where problems lay |
| [05:31:08] | emja: | err.. s/now/no |
| [05:31:12] | Mersault: | is anyone aware of anyone producing svn packages of mythtv for ubuntu? |
| [05:31:16] | mchou: | emja: I doubt it |
| [05:31:34] | dev: | svn changes/updates too much |
| [05:31:35] | LLyric: | emja: better to stick to the distro your most comfortable with |
| [05:31:58] | dev: | whats with people and english |
| [05:32:04] | dev: | your != you're |
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| [05:32:19] | LLyric: | dev: not that I don't know, but lazyness |
| [05:32:34] | LLyric: | apostrophes are too much work :) |
| [05:32:40] | mchou: | dev: it beats u r ? |
| [05:32:45] | LLyric: | ew |
| [05:32:46] | LLyric: | :) |
| [05:32:48] | emja: | heh |
| [05:33:12] | dev: | i bet you're a definately person too |
| [05:33:17] | dev: | 'im too lazy to hit i' |
| [05:33:19] | dev: | heh |
| [05:33:23] | mchou: | dev: you wanna be a grammar hawk dont play on irc :) |
| [05:33:34] | LLyric: | booyah |
| [05:33:39] | dev: | lol |
| [05:33:59] | dev: | mchou: you're just pissy from getting pwned the other day |
| [05:34:04] | dev: | =] |
| [05:34:08] | mchou: | owned?? |
| [05:34:09] | Mersault: | does anyone know of a 0.19.1 package repo available for the latest version of ubuntu?? |
| [05:34:40] | LLyric: | mchou: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pwned |
| [05:34:58] | dev: | my 500hrs of a tv is doing nice |
| [05:34:59] | mchou: | dev: it was clean even to blind folks that you were clueless |
| [05:35:05] | dev: | bwahahahahah |
| [05:35:10] | mchou: | s/clean/clear |
| [05:35:24] | emja: | in rh/fc there's a command (system-config-display?) that configures X. what is the equivalent (if any) in deb/knoppix? |
| [05:35:52] | dev: | now that was funny |
| [05:36:04] | mchou: | dev: go brag about your 500 hrs that you will never watch elsewhere |
| [05:36:32] | dev: | mchou: maybe in your, what was it again, 5years of useing mythtv? you dont pay much attention to this channel |
| [05:36:40] | dev: | but 838gig useable is not very much compared to some people in here |
| [05:36:54] | ** LLyric has <80gb on his current myth box :) ** | |
| [05:37:01] | mchou: | dev: read what I wrote. I said close to 5 yrs |
| [05:37:21] | LLyric: | My fileserver died – and wifey won't let me fix it until we sell the other house |
| [05:37:28] | mchou: | dev: go check, it's logged |
| [05:37:46] | dev: | what happened, go find out myth hasnt been around for 5years? |
| [05:37:47] | dev: | :) |
| [05:37:49] | mchou: | LLyric: haha, your wife has sense |
| [05:38:09] | LLyric: | mchou: it's just a broken PSU! (five disks, 250W, not good) |
| [05:38:12] | mchou: | dev: no, like I said, re-read what I wrote |
| [05:38:22] | dev: | you're just jealous because your mom wont increase your allowance to buy new computer parts :) |
| [05:38:51] | mchou: | LLyric: heh |
| [05:39:08] | LLyric: | dev: wifey gives me $50/wk, but I mostly spend it at the pub :) |
| [05:39:19] | mchou: | LLyric: lol |
| [05:39:27] | dev: | LLyric: lol |
| [05:39:39] | LLyric: | But 80GB is enough most of the time. |
| [05:39:43] | mchou: | LLyric: $50 gets you a nice PSU after rebates :) |
| [05:40:39] | mchou: | LLyric: course you shouldn't have bought a crappy PSU in the first place :) |
| [05:41:09] | LLyric: | mchou: it's an old machine, 733Mhz P3, that was standard at the time. |
| [05:41:24] | LLyric: | It makes a perfectly find backend. |
| [05:41:29] | mchou: | LLyric: sounds like your wife has more 'discipline' :) |
| [05:41:46] | ** emja is away: I'll be Bach... ** | |
| [05:41:57] | LLyric: | mchou: she only has "discipline" when it comes to *my* stuff. She's totally slack about her own, aiee.. |
| [05:42:02] | mchou: | LLyric: we know who wears the pants in that household :) |
| [05:42:15] | mchou: | hehe |
| [05:43:08] | LLyric: | Yeah, what sucker would go to work every day, while she stays home and looks after the kids. Man, what a sucker.... Oh wait, damn. |
| [05:43:57] | mchou: | LLyric: so what stuff does she buy that you feel are "irrespnsible?" |
| [05:44:15] | mchou: | irresponsible* |
| [05:44:19] | LLyric: | Let's not get into that, m'kay? :) |
| [05:44:24] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:44:50] | mchou: | LLyric: she spends it on "dominmatrix" toys? :) |
| [05:45:09] | mchou: | hehe |
| [05:46:33] | mchou: | LLyric: but seriously, I had five disks going on a 250W PSU (850Mhz) |
| [05:47:06] | mchou: | LLyric: it worked just dandy for me. no blow ups or anything. |
| [05:47:31] | LLyric: | It worked fine for me for a year or so, I'm only hypothesising that it was the disks that caused the eventual failure. |
| [05:47:32] | mchou: | but it was a POS dell proprietary crap. |
| [05:48:19] | mchou: | I used mine for since 1999 :) |
| [05:48:45] | mchou: | finally retired it about 2 months ago |
| [05:48:49] | dev: | youre.... so cool |
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| [06:38:04] | fiercemelonwater: | does anyone know of any tutorials for a complete newbie to fix the issues of the new pvr-150s? I think I need to /etc/modprobe.conf put: |
| [06:38:04] | fiercemelonwater: | > |
| [06:38:04] | fiercemelonwater: | > option tuner=50 |
| [06:38:12] | fiercemelonwater: | oops |
| [06:38:30] | fiercemelonwater: | in other words how can i edit my modprobe.conf? |
| [06:40:29] | LLyric: | with modern ivtv, you usually don't need to put much in modprobe.conf |
| [06:40:38] | LLyric: | It's got pretty good at autodetecting recently |
| [06:42:06] | fiercemelonwater: | It seems that the newer 150s aren't being properly set up |
| [06:42:35] | fiercemelonwater: | I read that someone was able to change their tuner setting to 50 to combat the problem, I am clueless in doing this though |
| [06:42:46] | fiercemelonwater: | I'm using mythdora for what its worth |
| [06:43:38] | LLyric: | see if modinfo tells you anything useful? |
| [06:43:47] | LLyric: | What specific issues are you having? |
| [06:44:18] | fiercemelonwater: | every channel appears as snow |
| [06:44:27] | fiercemelonwater: | I'm fairly certain I have all of the initial set up correct |
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| [07:00:02] | mchou: | fiercemelonwater: put ivtv dmesg output in pastebin |
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| [07:27:42] | metalac: | hey guys |
| [07:28:01] | metalac: | why would I get "Starting up as the master server. is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput." |
| [07:28:14] | metalac: | everything seems to work ok |
| [07:28:17] | metalac: | but it bothers me |
| [07:28:45] | metalac: | also occasionally my mythbackend would stop working and i'd have to start it up again, but i think it might be because my wireless connection is flaky |
| [07:29:02] | metalac: | do you think it could be something else? |
| [07:29:17] | Dagmar: | What would the backend have to do with your wireless? |
| [07:30:10] | metalac: | it requiers that service |
| [07:30:48] | metalac: | it did it last night |
| [07:30:58] | metalac: | it stoped working something last night, and i missed my games |
| [07:31:10] | Dagmar: | The backend. |
| [07:31:18] | Dagmar: | Requires wireless internet connectivity?> |
| [07:31:32] | metalac: | well it requires a connctivity |
| [07:31:42] | Dagmar: | What makes you think that? |
| [07:31:45] | metalac: | and since this one is the only one there it requires that one |
| [07:34:03] | metalac: | so any idea why i would get that "isn't attached to a cardinput" error? |
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| [07:36:53] | metalac: | it says somewhere that mythbackend dieing could be due to mysql timeout issue |
| [07:36:59] | metalac: | anyone knows anything about that? |
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| [07:46:25] | achew22: | does anyone know if its possible in nuvexport to do mpeg2 --> mpeg2 (minus cutlist)? |
| [07:54:25] | Dagmar: | metalac: Find out whether or not the mysqld is still running. Check the error log. Make sure you're using MySQL 4 and not MySQL 5. |
| [07:54:43] | metalac: | it is mysql 5 |
| [07:54:52] | Dagmar: | That's probably why then |
| [07:54:59] | metalac: | oh damn |
| [07:55:07] | Dagmar: | 0.19 is not stable with MySQL 5, and the stuff in SVN only gets it 90% there. |
| [07:58:04] | metalac: | oh damn i guess i should downgrade |
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| [08:11:21] | fatmatt: | I had issues with mysql5 and 0.18 combo, I thought it was just the combination of the 2, don't tell me mysql5 has issues? |
| [08:11:48] | fatmatt: | does 0.19 work with mysql4? |
| [08:11:57] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [08:12:05] | Dagmar: | Works fine with it |
| [08:12:24] | hashbang: | fatmatt: 0.19 working fine with 4.1.16 here. |
| [08:12:53] | Dagmar: | metalac: You *might* need to rebuild Qt for the new libmysqlclient.so, but I can't really be sure about htat |
| [08:12:56] | fatmatt: | okay, something I need to know for when I get the time to switch to 0,19 |
| [08:13:28] | fatmatt: | anyone know if theres going to be an official 19–1 ? |
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| [08:22:50] | hashbang: | Dagmar: I don't think Qt has a dep on mysqlclient |
| [08:24:21] | Dagmar: | Actually, it does |
| [08:24:51] | Dagmar: | Apparently it makes at least *some* of it's queries through a Qt call named something like QSQLquery |
| [08:25:09] | Dagmar: | I found out the hard way during my last rebuild when I built Qt, then MySQL |
| [08:25:34] | Dagmar: | You get a weird error in the log about a _lack_ of a response from the mentioned call |
| [08:26:02] | Dagmar: | ...and just to clarify it's libmysqlclient, not just mysqlclient |
| [08:26:19] | Dagmar: | Lemme shell into my Myth box and see if I can dredge the exact links out |
| [08:27:24] | Dagmar: | Hmm... simple enough /usr/lib/qt/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so |
| [08:27:37] | Dagmar: | Without that, Myth isn't going to work so well |
| [08:28:10] | hashbang: | Dagmar: I sit corrected! ;-) |
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| [08:28:59] | hashbang: | Dagmar: some package on my system hasn't explicitly declared a dep on qt-MySQL, then |
| [08:29:00] | Juski: | mornin' |
| [08:30:09] | hashbang: | oops |
| [08:30:11] | hashbang: | wrong system |
| [08:30:32] | hashbang: | Dagmar: yup, libmyth links agains qt-MySQL which in turn requires libmysqlclient |
| [08:30:59] | Dagmar: | They need to make this http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/japanese/74b1/ in a color other than craptacular orange |
| [08:31:07] | Dagmar: | yech wrong channel |
| [08:31:44] | Dagmar: | hashbang: Tol'ya. |
| [08:31:56] | Dagmar: | I was actually stracing through what was going on before I realized where I'd screwed up my builds. Heh |
| [08:32:03] | hashbang: | strace++ |
| [08:32:07] | Dagmar: | Stracing qt apps is teh suck |
| [08:32:16] | hashbang: | stracing any GUI apps is teh suck |
| [08:32:17] | Dagmar: | Almost as bad as trying to strace through X's startup |
| [08:32:26] | hashbang: | strace -efile ... is usually enough, though |
| [08:34:20] | hashbang: | sometimes even -eopen ... |
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| [08:42:05] | Dagmar: | It takes options? ;) |
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| [09:48:21] | me_and_myself: | i have installed mythtv on my gentoo amd64 but when i do mythtv-setup i get |
| [09:48:23] | me_and_myself: | No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| [09:48:23] | me_and_myself: | 2006-06–11 11:50:17.175 Unable to connect to database! |
| [09:48:23] | me_and_myself: | 2006-06–11 11:50:17.175 No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| [09:48:23] | me_and_myself: | QSqlQuery::exec: database not open |
| [09:48:23] | me_and_myself: | QSqlQuery::exec: database not open |
| [09:48:24] | me_and_myself: | 2006-06–11 11:50:17.226 DB Error (KickDatabase): |
| [09:49:01] | me_and_myself: | i have emerged qt with +mysql |
| [09:49:40] | me_and_myself: | any idea |
| [09:50:25] | k-man_: | is your database running? |
| [09:51:19] | me_and_myself: | yes |
| [09:51:36] | k-man_: | can you connect to it outside of mythtv? |
| [09:51:45] | k-man_: | using the mythtv login and password? |
| [09:53:14] | me_and_myself: | how do i run the database with /etc/init.d/mythbackend start |
| [09:53:58] | me_and_myself: | mysql have been started |
| [09:54:34] | k-man_: | sorry |
| [09:54:36] | k-man_: | gtg |
| [09:54:38] | k-man_: | bye |
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| [10:00:44] | me_and_myself: | i have installed mythtv (gentoo~amd64) when i start mythtv-setup i get No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| [10:00:44] | me_and_myself: | 2006-06–11 11:55:24.537 Database not open while trying to save setting: Language2006-06–11 11:55:24.537 Unable to connect to database! |
| [10:00:44] | me_and_myself: | 2006-06–11 11:55:24.537 No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| [10:00:44] | me_and_myself: | QSqlQuery::exec: database not open |
| [10:00:45] | me_and_myself: | QSqlQuery::exec: database not open |
| [10:00:47] | me_and_myself: | 2006-06–11 11:55:24.588 DB Error (KickDatabase) |
| [10:00:59] | me_and_myself: | i have emerged qt with +mysql |
| [10:01:24] | me_and_myself: | i can open mysql with mysql -u root --password |
| [10:02:10] | Dagmar: | You sure about that? |
| [10:02:25] | Dagmar: | "No error type from QSqlError? Strange..." <-- This is a dead giveaway |
| [10:02:39] | me_and_myself: | i have used this how-to http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV#Set . . . ial_database |
| [10:02:54] | Dagmar: | Check your filesystem for libqsqlmysql.so. |
| [10:03:10] | Dagmar: | It *should* be under /usr/lib/qt/plugins/sqldrivers, or /opt or something |
| [10:03:49] | Dagmar: | The wiki doesn't mention anything that would be usefully relevant to building the packages |
| [10:04:26] | me_and_myself: | it's located @ /usr/lib64/qt3/plugins/qqldriver |
| [10:07:38] | me_and_myself: | i be right back |
| [10:07:44] | me_and_myself: | reboot my computer |
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| [10:16:15] | me_and_myself: | i have question if i run mythtv-setup i get a blue screen first i have to select my language at the next screen i must fill in hostname |
| [10:16:22] | me_and_myself: | and database |
| [10:16:35] | me_and_myself: | what must i fill in at database |
| [10:17:01] | Dagmar: | Nothing much |
| [10:17:34] | Dagmar: | If you're running the database and the backend on the same server, you really only have to mess with defining the tuners and inputs in mythtv-setup and the rest can all be left at defaults. |
| [10:18:09] | me_and_myself: | if i do mythtv-setup i can't get the setup menu |
| [10:19:30] | me_and_myself: | the only thing i get is the blue screen to select my language, hostname, user, database and database type then mythtv stops with |
| [10:19:43] | me_and_myself: | 2006-06–11 12:20:03.767 Failed to init MythContext, exiting |
| [10:21:44] | me_and_myself: | i found out that mythtv can' t connect to database |
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| [10:21:56] | me_and_myself: | but i don' t no why |
| [10:22:46] | Dagmar: | Did you *start* the mysqld? |
| [10:23:21] | Dagmar: | Really the only requirements are that mysqld is running, and that you've imported the basic tables for it from the mc.sql file |
| [10:24:10] | me_and_myself: | /etc/init.d/mysql start ---> * WARNING: "mysql" has already been started. |
| [10:27:33] | me_and_myself: | maybe it is somthing with qt |
| [10:27:46] | me_and_myself: | Database not open while trying to load setting: GuiVidModeResolution |
| [10:28:03] | TruBl_: | What Linux Distribution is classified as "best distro for use with MythTv" ? |
| [10:28:22] | laga: | TruBl_: read the FAQ, please |
| [10:29:11] | ** TruBl_ wonders off to find the MythTV FAQ ... ** | |
| [10:30:00] | laga: | TruBl_: /topic ;) |
| [10:30:37] | me_and_myself: | strange that mythtv not working on my computer |
| [10:30:40] | me_and_myself: | :( |
| [10:31:46] | me_and_myself: | maby a bug |
| [10:33:25] | TruBl_: | ok, who is the FC MythTV wizard in da house ? |
| [10:33:43] | laga: | jarod. |
| [10:33:48] | laga: | www.wilsonet.com |
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| [10:42:06] | Juski: | morning laga |
| [10:42:24] | laga: | g'morning Juski. |
| [10:42:32] | laga: | Juski: today will be s100-free ;) |
| [10:42:36] | Juski: | sorted out the keymap last night good & proper |
| [10:43:05] | TruBl_: | laga: whats his /nick ? |
| [10:43:05] | laga: | nice :) so you have it mapped to sane keys? |
| [10:43:09] | Juski: | turned out that showkey codes are different to X key codes |
| [10:43:24] | laga: | TruBl_: j-rod |
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| [10:44:13] | Juski: | laga: for your reference: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/s100/keycodes.txt |
| [10:45:00] | laga: | awesome, thanks |
| [10:46:13] | laga: | Juski: so. if you fiddle with xmodmap, doesn't that affect the normal keyboard, too? |
| [10:46:46] | Juski: | laga: like you said last night, how likely is it that someone will be messing around with terminal sessions? |
| [10:47:13] | laga: | Juski: correct. not very likely. |
| [10:47:33] | Juski: | I dunno if it'd actually affect a normal keyboard though – I mean how often do people use F keys etc in X? |
| [10:48:09] | Juski: | I think the s100 guys were clever in that not many of the remote keys are 'real' ;-) |
| [10:48:50] | laga: | humm, right ;) |
| [10:48:52] | Zider: | I use F-keys every day |
| [10:48:54] | Juski: | course I'll have to make a xine keymap now, but I'd have to make a lircrc for it anyway |
| [10:49:25] | laga: | i'm not that far yet, i've still gotta investigate more in X |
| [10:49:28] | Juski: | you would, Zider :-P |
| [10:49:58] | Zider: | not by themselves tho, but alt+F-key to switch desktop |
| [10:50:14] | Juski: | the keys the remote shoves out are weird anyway – I wouldn't expect em to be in common use |
| [10:50:23] | Juski: | anyway – it's for a frontend only box! |
| [10:50:34] | Juski: | and my solution will do or else ;-) |
| [10:50:52] | laga: | i wonder if there'd be a way to use a normal keymap with the usb keyboard and the modded one for ps2. |
| [10:51:01] | laga: | ah well, i'll probably find out next week. |
| [10:51:02] | Juski: | just have to nag greyfoxx for his kernel patch-o-mundo now |
| [10:51:34] | laga: | heh, yep. he was willing to put them online for us, it's just a matter of time :) |
| [10:51:36] | Juski: | laga: you'd prolly have to mess with the kernel to do that I think |
| [10:51:51] | Juski: | (have 2 keymaps) |
| [10:52:13] | laga: | Juski: if X won't let me do that, i'll just not bother with it ;) |
| [10:52:19] | Juski: | lol |
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| [11:51:29] | ivor: | Juski: ping |
| [11:51:51] | Juski: | pong |
| [11:51:54] | ivor: | woo. |
| [11:51:55] | ivor: | :) |
| [11:51:59] | Juski: | 'sup ? |
| [11:52:02] | ivor: | you should be outside in the sun. |
| [11:52:08] | Juski: | I have been |
| [11:52:13] | ivor: | do you use lm_sensors on your epia? |
| [11:52:18] | Juski: | washed the car, did some gardening.. |
| [11:52:28] | Juski: | ivor: not really. sensors seem way off |
| [11:52:42] | ivor: | hmm. can't work out what I'm missing. |
| [11:53:04] | ivor: | sensors just says cant find i2c bus informatio |
| [11:53:12] | ivor: | and I'm sure I've got everything I need |
| [11:53:35] | Juski: | i2c in the kernel? |
| [11:53:40] | ivor: | si |
| [11:53:52] | ivor: | I'm going passive so I think I need to keep an eye on temps. :) |
| [11:53:53] | Juski: | you could do worse than download the gar minimyth stuff |
| [11:54:05] | Juski: | have a look & see how they do it |
| [11:54:21] | ivor: | hmm doesnt seem the quickest solution |
| [11:54:28] | Juski: | heh. it never is |
| [11:54:44] | Juski: | I was learning all about xmodmap last night |
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| [12:11:10] | ivor: | Juski: aha! |
| [12:11:37] | ivor: | seems that vt1211 still isn't in the kernel... strange I was sure I'd seen mention that it was. |
| [12:13:59] | Juski: | that'd do it |
| [12:14:21] | Juski: | been getting my s100 working – made great progress |
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| [12:20:38] | Juski: | blimey this is just silly. playing back an xvid on this 733 celery M... and 22% CPU ! |
| [12:21:41] | Zider: | what's silly about that? |
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| [12:31:37] | dscoular: | Damn! latest 0.19-fixes svn just lost input on frontend. I'd hoped that bug had gone |
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| [12:37:50] | scopeuk: | Juskik sounds liek about what the msn tv 2 can do |
| [12:43:47] | scopeuk: | the clue is in the name |
| [12:44:25] | laga: | not a msntv2. we have more RAM :) |
| [12:44:40] | laga: | anyways, gotta go to sit in the sun and eat icecreeam. laters. |
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| [12:52:14] | Kelerion: | morning all |
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| [13:01:38] | Value: | hi all |
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| [13:13:26] | Juski: | heya Kelerion |
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| [13:13:53] | Kelerion: | hey there... you up to anything interesting today? |
| [13:15:01] | Juski: | bobbing in & out of the sun. installed xine on the frontend & got nfs going |
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| [13:16:05] | JdGordon: | hey im trying to install mythtv on debian. i did apt-get install and it installed but something screwed up so i removed it and now i cant reinstall it? |
| [13:16:11] | Kelerion: | am thinking of taking my laptop out to the garden and chilling out there.. but the garden is a mess and I don't feel like doing anything about it today.. lol |
| [13:16:20] | Juski: | at a stage where I can back up the s100 disk now. think I'll just set that away soon |
| [13:16:51] | Kelerion: | why can't you re-install it JdGordon? |
| [13:17:09] | JdGordon: | Package mythtv is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| [13:17:09] | JdGordon: | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| [13:17:10] | JdGordon: | is only available from another source |
| [13:17:10] | JdGordon: | E: Package mythtv has no installation candidate |
| [13:17:36] | Kelerion: | thats nothing to do with myth.. sounds like your sources.list are outta whack |
| [13:18:02] | Kelerion: | does apt-cache search mythtv give a load of stuff? |
| [13:18:33] | Juski: | time to make lunchy :-) (me hungee) |
| [13:18:39] | ** Kelerion chuckles ** | |
| [13:18:42] | JdGordon: | Kelerion: it returns nothing |
| [13:18:49] | JdGordon: | tv:~# apt-cache search mythtv |
| [13:18:49] | JdGordon: | tv:~# |
| [13:18:50] | Kelerion: | then your sources.list are out |
| [13:19:01] | JdGordon: | ive done apt-get update 3 times... |
| [13:19:11] | Kelerion: | try: apt-cache search myth |
| [13:19:23] | JdGordon: | tv:~# apt-cache search myth |
| [13:19:23] | JdGordon: | libmythes-dev – simple thesaurus library (development files) |
| [13:19:23] | JdGordon: | mdk – MIX Development Kit |
| [13:19:32] | Kelerion: | definitely out then |
| [13:19:38] | Kelerion: | your missing some repos |
| [13:20:38] | JdGordon: | http://jdgordon.homeip.net:8080/sources.ist is my list.. which are missing? |
| [13:20:46] | JdGordon: | tv:~# apt-cache search myth |
| [13:20:46] | JdGordon: | libmythes-dev – simple thesaurus library (development files) |
| [13:20:46] | JdGordon: | mdk – MIX Development Kit |
| [13:20:48] | Kelerion: | no idea.. I'm using ubuntu |
| [13:20:48] | JdGordon: | tv:~# apt-cache search myth |
| [13:20:48] | JdGordon: | libmythes-dev – simple thesaurus library (development files) |
| [13:20:48] | JdGordon: | mdk – MIX Development Kit |
| [13:20:55] | JdGordon: | sorry.. wrong button |
| [13:20:57] | JdGordon: | tv:~# apt-cache search myth |
| [13:20:57] | JdGordon: | libmythes-dev – simple thesaurus library (development files) |
| [13:20:58] | JdGordon: | mdk – MIX Development Kit |
| [13:21:03] | JdGordon: | fuck, stupid kde |
| [13:21:42] | Kelerion: | that sources.list is nearly empty |
| [13:22:29] | Kelerion: | but I don't use debian so not sure if thats normal |
| [13:22:33] | JdGordon: | its got everything iv needed so far.. multimedia. has myth and mplayer which is all the non stadard stuff.. |
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| [13:24:21] | Kelerion: | JdGordon, check out: http://www.prettymad.net/index.php/How_to_Bui . . . New/20050918 |
| [13:24:32] | Kelerion: | don't know if it's relevant.. but might help |
| [13:24:41] | JdGordon: | thanx |
| [13:24:51] | JdGordon: | was just there.. |
| [13:25:31] | Kelerion: | I think dijkstra is still on 18.1 though |
| [13:25:41] | coffee: | Please help, I have a pvr-250 that is having problems. The picture is S shaped instead of the normal 4:3. Almost like there is some interferance. I have tried changing the bus its on and have done a capture from /dev/video0 to make sure its not mythtv. It worked fine until recently. The card is about 2 years old. The picture also studders and freezes in live tv mode as well. Possibly a bad card now? I have searched all over but d |
| [13:25:41] | coffee: | ont find anything on this issue. |
| [13:25:59] | JdGordon: | that repo doesnt work anymore |
| [13:26:40] | Kelerion: | ahh ok.. no idea then.. I tend to compile my own |
| [13:26:52] | Kelerion: | and use apt-get to install all the deps instead |
| [13:27:06] | JdGordon: | :( ye i dont really want to compile it myself :p |
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| [13:28:36] | JdGordon: | mythtv is definalty on one of the repos iv got in my list.. how do i fix the cache so i can install it? or do i goto #debian for help? |
| [13:29:33] | coffee: | Might I add this only happens on viewing live tv or recordings made after the problem started. I have narrowed it down to the card. Anyone have problems with border distrotions on a pvr-250? Mythtv menus show fine. |
| [13:30:08] | tuck3r: | JdGordon: you did run apt-get update right? :P |
| [13:30:18] | JdGordon: | about 5 times |
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| [13:30:59] | Kelerion: | you *could* try deleting the status* files in /var/lib/dpkg .. but don't blame me if it screws stuff up |
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| [13:33:30] | sL|Hoxzer: | http://pastebin.de/7441 <- does this say anything to u ? |
| [13:34:19] | Kelerion: | yup.. something is broken :) |
| [13:34:42] | Kelerion: | and MTV Movie Awards didn't get recorded |
| [13:35:20] | sL|Hoxzer: | :) well I had already noticed but thing I now need to find out is what is wrong |
| [13:35:21] | JdGordon: | Kelerion: i moved it to status.old and did update again, says it cant read the file.. how do u get it to rebuild that file? |
| [13:35:37] | sL|Hoxzer: | :/ |
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| [13:36:58] | Kelerion: | JdGordon, no idea.. I thought it might have done it itself.. best put it back |
| [13:37:07] | JdGordon: | :'( |
| [13:37:13] | Hoxzer: | Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one here whose mythbackned crashes nonstop |
| [13:37:28] | Kelerion: | Hoxzer, looks like your dvb card is failing to log on to the transmitter possibly? |
| [13:37:30] | tuck3r: | is OTA highdef in the US mostly trivial? that what i get from what i have been reading |
| [13:37:37] | Hoxzer: | even if I'm using knoppmyth which is meant for mythtv |
| [13:38:05] | Hoxzer: | Kelerion: at least I can watch live tv with it |
| [13:38:25] | Hoxzer: | but I haven't done scan |
| [13:38:28] | Hoxzer: | because it crashes |
| [13:38:37] | Hoxzer: | so I imported channels.conf |
| [13:38:44] | Hoxzer: | and used tv_grab_fi for EPG |
| [13:39:02] | Kelerion: | I don't know enough about dvb to be much help to be honest |
| [13:39:19] | Hoxzer: | ok |
| [13:39:22] | jammyd: | JGordan: Which repository are you expecting the myth packages to be available from? |
| [13:39:25] | Hoxzer: | well I try to do scan again :/ |
| [13:39:51] | jammyd: | (apt-cache gencaches will regeneration your status file, btw) |
| [13:40:32] | jammyd: | JGordon: Do 'apt-cache dump' and search the output for mythtv – what do you find? |
| [13:40:43] | JdGordon: | from http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| [13:40:59] | jammyd: | I'm not convinced there are any packages on there at all, to be honest |
| [13:41:15] | jammyd: | I've just trawled the packages files on that site, and they're all empty – unless I'm being an idiot |
| [13:41:49] | JdGordon: | # apt-cache dump | grep mythtv |
| [13:41:49] | JdGordon: | Package: mythtv-frontend |
| [13:41:50] | JdGordon: | Package: mythtv-common |
| [13:41:50] | JdGordon: | Package: mythtv |
| [13:41:51] | JdGordon: | Package: mythtv-database |
| [13:41:51] | JdGordon: | Package: mythtv-backend |
| [13:41:52] | JdGordon: | Package: mythtv-doc |
| [13:41:54] | JdGordon: | Package: mythtv-themes |
| [13:42:12] | jammyd: | Interesting |
| [13:43:02] | jammyd: | OK, those are all source packages |
| [13:43:21] | jammyd: | apt-get source mythtv |
| [13:43:55] | JdGordon: | unable to find package mythtv |
| [13:45:21] | jammyd: | Can you stick the entire output from the apt-cache dump somewhere i can read it, please? |
| [13:45:31] | JdGordon: | sure, 1 sec |
| [13:46:11] | JdGordon: | http://jdgordon.homeip.net:8080/aptcache |
| [13:46:39] | JdGordon: | fark, thats 5mb |
| [13:46:55] | JdGordon: | and im only on a 22KB/s upload connection... |
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| [13:48:23] | jammyd: | OK, here is the issue |
| [13:49:08] | jammyd: | those packages are source packages, I'm sure of it. They're only mentioned as 'stubs' in your dump, they don't have any other data associated with them (i.e. the file to download, or dependencies) |
| [13:49:22] | jammyd: | you need to add a src line to your sources.list for that site, then you should be able to get them |
| [13:49:40] | jammyd: | deb-sec http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main |
| [13:49:56] | jammyd: | add that to sources.list, then do apt-get update, apt-get source mythtv |
| [13:50:22] | JdGordon: | ok |
| [13:53:07] | JdGordon: | ok, its downloading the sources.. so im gonna have to compile it myself? |
| [13:53:24] | Kelerion: | brb |
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| [13:55:51] | jammyd: | Yes. As far as I can tell, there are *no* binary packages in that repository |
| [13:56:14] | jammyd: | You can either compile it yourself (if the package is decent, you can just do dpkg-build) or find another repository |
| [13:56:31] | ** jammyd always compiles from source, then uses checkinstall to create a package which gets installed. ** | |
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| [13:59:33] | JdGordon: | ok, thanx for your help, im giving up for tonight |
| [14:00:07] | jammyd: | No problem |
| [14:02:02] | jammyd: | anyone know what time of day the myth dev channel gets busy? |
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| [14:04:51] | Hoxzer: | when I try to do "/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start" with user mythtv I get this "Starting MythTV server: mythbackendstart-stop-daemon: Unable to set initgroups() with gid 105" but with root it works fine. Why? (After mytbackend crash) |
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| [14:09:50] | Hoxzer: | :) any ideas? |
| [14:11:29] | tuck3r: | you have to use the init script as root? |
| [14:12:07] | Hoxzer: | ..... |
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| [14:21:36] | Juski: | Hoxzer: is the mythtv user in the video group? |
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| [14:46:40] | ol_schoola: | god morning (evening) everyone |
| [14:46:45] | ol_schoola: | good |
| [14:48:28] | ol_schoola: | did xris implement an 'undo' or revert back to original myth filenames funtion in mythrename.pl? |
| [14:48:53] | ol_schoola: | i just ran it manually without the -fill switch and have just now finished banging my head against the desk |
| [14:49:08] | ol_schoola: | s/b --link switch |
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| [14:51:04] | ol_schoola: | scanning through the script, my meager parsing of perl doesn't see a method |
| [14:54:39] | ol_schoola: | ah hah, please disregard, found it right at the end of the script |
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| [15:11:37] | eidolon: | hmm. am i deluding myself? i'm running my DVD external player to my HDTV monitor – s/video + composite video + l/r stereo. it sure looks like the DVD player is driving the monitor at 16:9 at full resolution. no masking, no squashscreen, and the image looks great. i thought s-video couldn't drive HDTV signals? |
| [15:14:38] | GreyFoxx: | ~~~~it can't |
| [15:14:47] | GreyFoxx: | Your HDTV is just upscaling it |
| [15:15:01] | GreyFoxx: | Did you think a DVD would just be a tiny square or something ? :) |
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| [15:21:38] | Juski: | afternoon mr GreyFoxx :-) |
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| [15:23:01] | null: | Hello. How can I specify another mysql server when I start up the mythtv the first time using mythtv-setup? |
| [15:23:35] | jammyd: | isn't it the first thing it asks you? |
| [15:23:52] | null: | no, it starts up and it says "can't connect to local mysql server..." |
| [15:23:54] | eidolon: | GreyFoxx: heh. i wasn't sure what it would do. :) |
| [15:24:23] | eidolon: | it looks awfully nice though. hm. okay. so i should repair the dvd drive in my myth box and use that, which'll scale it properly (feeding vga into my 720p hdtv right now) |
| [15:24:46] | smeagel: | Hi — I've looked through the docs and haven't found anything, I'm having a problem where ivtv initializes fine (according to dmesg), creates device nodes video and video0, but those device nodes appear to be null |
| [15:24:53] | smeagel: | anybody have any idea's or anywhere to look? |
| [15:25:04] | Juski: | eidolon: not only can svideo not accomodate hdtv, dvd players don't (and can't) carry HD |
| [15:25:29] | Juski: | smeagel: try the ivtv mailing list |
| [15:25:35] | eidolon: | rrright... but in's that what a progressive scan decoder does? figures out what should be in the upscaled image? |
| [15:25:55] | smeagel: | juski: I was hoping for a slightly more immediate answer than a mailing list ;) |
| [15:26:04] | Juski: | the best most dvd players can do is 720p (upscaling) |
| [15:26:07] | smeagel: | juski: but that will be where I eventually end up |
| [15:26:42] | eidolon: | what if i'm driving via my mythtv (xine) setup? will any joe blow dvd player in the pc be able to generate the 720p signal? |
| [15:26:48] | Juski: | smeagel: how do you mean the device nodes appear to be null? you can't cat from them? |
| [15:27:33] | Juski: | eidolon: software can upscale no problem but whether or not it'll look as good as a standalone player is up for debate |
| [15:27:33] | null: | jammyd: any idea? |
| [15:27:41] | eidolon: | huh. *nod* |
| [15:27:59] | eidolon: | i guess i'm wondering if i should invest in a nice progressive scan standalone player, or just use my MFE box. |
| [15:28:04] | smeagel: | juski: I type "cat /dev/video" or "cat /dev/video0" and it just returns immediately, no errors, no complaints about file doesn't exist like you get sometime |
| [15:28:20] | smeagel: | and "cat /dev/video0 > temp.mpg" just returns immediately making temp.mpg an empty file |
| [15:28:43] | jammyd: | null: Edit ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [15:28:48] | Juski: | smeagel: right. so you have a device (erm thingummy) problem. out of my league |
| [15:28:51] | null: | jammyd: ok |
| [15:29:00] | jammyd: | that might do it, though I can't guarantee it, it's a guess really |
| [15:29:36] | smeagel: | juski: mine too.... bah. I moved everything from one corrupt drive over to a noncorrupt drive last night, went extremely smoothly until this |
| [15:29:41] | null: | hm it uses this host now, but it cant connect, but i think that's because it isn't network enabled yet. thanks |
| [15:30:26] | ol_schoola: | eidelon: either a decent progressive scan DVD or myth will give the 720p |
| [15:30:29] | null: | jammyd: yes, that did it. thanks |
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| [15:31:09] | jammyd: | null: np |
| [15:31:41] | ** Juski goes back to digging up a small tree ** | |
| [15:31:57] | eidolon: | ol_schoola: okay. i think i'll replace my dvd drive in my frontend box first... thats the least expensive option right now. |
| [15:32:00] | ol_schoola: | the dedicated player will simply occupy and additional hookup in your signal chain (component/s-video/composite/analog aufio/digi audio) |
| [15:32:21] | ol_schoola: | eidelon: yes it is, and less cabling |
| [15:32:51] | ol_schoola: | eidelon: the downside is if your FE machine goes wonky, the DVD is unavailable |
| [15:33:03] | ol_schoola: | shouldn't be much of an issue tho |
| [15:33:12] | ** GreyFoxx wonders if he has a spare DVD rom laying around ** | |
| [15:33:23] | ** GreyFoxx wants to try one on the MSNTV in a usbenclosure ** | |
| [15:33:33] | ** ol_schoola bought one for just that reason :) ** | |
| [15:34:00] | ol_schoola: | ...to have laying around, not MSNTV |
| [15:34:10] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [15:34:33] | ol_schoola: | it has lightscribe but /me has not time to dinker with it yet |
| [15:35:18] | ol_schoola: | mytharchive + lightscribe drive + bar code scanner capable 400 DVD changer = <angelic voices singing> |
| [15:35:37] | GreyFoxx: | I've yet to actually look at mytharchive |
| [15:35:48] | GreyFoxx: | ahhhh a 400DVD changer ? |
| [15:36:04] | ol_schoola: | me neither, .19 fices sVN and amd64 are kicking my a$$ right now |
| [15:36:04] | GreyFoxx: | I was looking for such athing not long ago but never found anything but a multi CD cdrom |
| [15:36:28] | eidolon: | i don't get the whole DVD changer thing. |
| [15:36:31] | ol_schoola: | Sony has one, use them with RTI and Crestron automation systems |
| [15:36:34] | ol_schoola: | awesome results |
| [15:36:38] | GreyFoxx: | ol_schoola: cool |
| [15:36:43] | GreyFoxx: | wonder how much though :) |
| [15:36:49] | eidolon: | i mean, that's fine for music -when you listen to a cd a couple times, or you shuffle them all. but movies are a sit down and focus thing. |
| [15:36:54] | ol_schoola: | it only makes sense to use the changer with an intelligent control system |
| [15:37:09] | GreyFoxx: | eidolon: It would rock, imho, to be able to say " |
| [15:37:19] | GreyFoxx: | "Play DVD X" and it tells thechanger to load X |
| [15:37:22] | eidolon: | anyway – the MFE box -is- my BE atm, (only one machine). that'll change soon as I can find a cheap SFF PC with a DVDROM in it... but for them oment, it's all one chasis :) |
| [15:37:24] | GreyFoxx: | without my ass having to either rip it |
| [15:37:28] | GreyFoxx: | or go looking for it |
| [15:37:34] | ol_schoola: | the kind of people i deal with don't want to even be bothered with open case, insert DVD, press a bunch of buttons |
| [15:37:40] | GreyFoxx: | exactly |
| [15:37:44] | GreyFoxx: | Which is why I want it |
| [15:37:56] | eidolon: | GreyFoxx: heh. all my dvd's are in one place. :) the looking for a movie is part of the experience. "I'm going to dedicate the next 2 hours to focusing on a cool movie. Hmm. which one will it be? |
| [15:38:02] | eidolon: | maybe i'm just weird in my movie-focus thing. :) |
| [15:38:11] | GreyFoxx: | I don't want a Disk taking up disk space |
| [15:38:17] | GreyFoxx: | but I want it at my finger tips |
| [15:38:18] | ol_schoola: | they want to sit on the couch, press a *couple* buttons, and have the movie play after the lights go down, and all the components magically set the appropriate settings |
| [15:38:19] | eidolon: | the case will take up the space anyway. |
| [15:38:23] | eidolon: | unless you're tossing the case? |
| [15:38:44] | GreyFoxx: | eidolon: It can take up space in a box :) I' |
| [15:38:44] | eidolon: | anyway... i'm not tryign to get you to change your DVD management arrangements. everyone's different :) |
| [15:38:48] | eidolon: | i just want a functional dvd player atm :) |
| [15:38:56] | GreyFoxx: | m rferring to not taking up harddrive space |
| [15:39:10] | eidolon: | my player last night (I have the $28 mini-dvd thingy from best buy) was skipping / pausing every couple minutes – for about 3 seconds. |
| [15:39:14] | eidolon: | was driving me TOTALLY BATSHIT |
| [15:39:18] | GreyFoxx: | I'd rather it loadthe disk without me having to go get it, take it out of the case, put it in the dvd rom |
| [15:39:19] | smeagel: | juski: fyi, I created a bunch more device nodes, and it ends up my card is now going to /dev/video32 now instead of /dev/video0 (no idea why), but it looks like it should be working in not too long |
| [15:39:48] | ol_schoola: | Greyfox: im unclear on 'it' ??? |
| [15:39:55] | ol_schoola: | as in it load the disk |
| [15:39:58] | GreyFoxx: | It being the movie |
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| [15:40:10] | GreyFoxx: | Well, It being both |
| [15:40:23] | ol_schoola: | the movie 'load the disk'? sony's gonna charge a LOT for that |
| [15:40:26] | GreyFoxx: | I would rather a device that load the Disk , without me having to go get the dvd case |
| [15:40:37] | ol_schoola: | ah, a changer :) |
| [15:40:39] | GreyFoxx: | It's what a DVD changer is |
| [15:40:46] | GreyFoxx: | I thought that was what we were talking about here :) |
| [15:41:04] | ol_schoola: | i was the saME WAVELENGTH, JUST ON MUTE FOR A SEC |
| [15:41:11] | ol_schoola: | oops |
| [15:41:55] | ol_schoola: | there's a kickass freeware tool to IMDB and catalog your movies/cover art written just for the Sony 777 and maybe another |
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| [15:42:05] | ol_schoola: | uses barcode scanner on the DVD cover |
| [15:42:53] | smeagel: | juski: OK, video32 isn't what I wanted, but I recreated all device nodes manually after removing video0, and it works now |
| [15:43:00] | ol_schoola: | was written by the owner of a URC MX-3000 touchscreen remote. kinda cool but the remote is unidirectional so managing the info is a pain |
| [15:43:39] | ol_schoola: | the software standalon on windows is really useful regardless |
| [15:44:13] | ol_schoola: | can output very useable data for any app |
| [15:44:27] | ** ol_schoola goes looking for it..... ** | |
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| [16:00:58] | AngryElf: | gyo |
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| [16:14:55] | Juski: | re |
| [16:16:25] | Juski: | I knew this 160GB dd was gonna take a while, but... |
| [16:19:28] | jams: | dvd changers are far to expensive for me |
| [16:19:41] | jams: | looked at them a few months ago, talk about sticker shock |
| [16:20:41] | Juski: | I'll stick with mythvideo if it's all the same ;-) |
| [16:21:07] | jams: | Juski- that was my conclusion |
| [16:21:59] | Juski: | in my younger days I used to enjoy seeing a huge stack next to the TV, but now I'm older... 3 boxes under the TV will do fine |
| [16:22:12] | Juski: | it'd be less if I could get away with it |
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| [16:22:48] | Juski: | all that business with media cabinets & suchlike... pfft |
| [16:22:55] | jams: | yep I really want to chuck the vcr but I really cant do that yet |
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| [16:23:20] | Juski: | our vcr has been under the bed in the spare bedroom for almost 2 years now |
| [16:23:53] | jams: | every time I try, the wife coms along with a tape she needs to watch |
| [16:24:12] | Juski: | tell her it's illegal ;-) |
| [16:28:34] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: you still want one of these new toys? watching a couple on the bay right now |
| [16:29:37] | jams: | Juski- think they will be around for a bit? |
| [16:30:00] | Juski: | jams: I missed a couple yesterday, and there's some more now |
| [16:30:41] | jams: | how much are they again? |
| [16:31:13] | Juski: | they top out at around 30 EUR or so |
| [16:31:25] | Juski: | plus postage |
| [16:31:32] | jams: | thats it? |
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| [16:31:37] | jams: | wow |
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| [16:32:27] | jams: | do they only have PAL tv-out ? |
| [16:32:38] | Juski: | they'll do ntsc too |
| [16:33:21] | jams: | hehe probably will cost more to ship it then buy it |
| [16:33:48] | Juski: | erm... check out http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/s100/EDID_1.tar.bz2& nbsp;– there's a file in there with a .pcf extension – all the details you need ;-) |
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| [16:36:17] | speedsix: | Hi, how is everyone today? |
| [16:36:19] | jams: | yep that covers what I would need |
| [16:37:39] | Juski: | yikes... to send the box to Canada via parcelforce in the UK... £60.00 !! |
| [16:38:16] | jams: | i assume the US would be no different :( |
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| [16:42:34] | Juski: | ouch! ups are no better either |
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| [16:42:51] | Juski: | expensive business |
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| [16:44:15] | jams: | would be cheaper to buy them an airline ticket |
| [16:44:31] | ** jams steps out for a bit ** | |
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| [16:47:48] | zoomorfo: | hello |
| [16:48:21] | ivor: | Juski: heh. passive experiment looking good. |
| [16:48:43] | ivor: | bubbling along at 65–70 |
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| [16:53:00] | speedsix: | Yikes, 3x 30mins dvb recordings converted to dvd mpegs fills a whole single sided dvd |
| [16:54:00] | marmoset: | Juski: unfortunately the backend was back to using all the CPU when I got up this morning ;) |
| [16:55:34] | zoomorfo: | is it normal that mysql refuses to let me in with the mythtv default user? I've installed mysql as a mythtv dependency on a debian etch |
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| [17:02:33] | mchou: | zoomorfo: read the official mythtv docs. it's all explained in there |
| [17:03:35] | zoomorfo: | thanks mchou |
| [17:05:13] | Dibblah_: | Jams: Parcelforce? How quaint. |
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| [17:06:05] | Dibblah_: | http://www.parcelflight.co.uk/quote.asp works well enough, and there's parcel2send via ebay, etc. |
| [17:07:38] | ** speedsix is having one of those days ** | |
| [17:07:59] | speedsix: | think I got my first points for speeding today :( |
| [17:09:07] | mchou: | speedsix: heh. How fast were you going? |
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| [17:09:23] | speedsix: | about 38mph I reckon. In a 30 |
| [17:09:34] | mchou: | speedsix: you didnt go to court and fight it? |
| [17:09:46] | speedsix: | only got zapped this morning |
| [17:10:11] | mchou: | speedsix: well, then the "points" hasnt shown up yet. |
| [17:10:31] | mchou: | you only get points if you're found guilty |
| [17:10:35] | speedsix: | true, but I'd be pretty jammy to get out of it |
| [17:10:59] | mchou: | "jammy"? |
| [17:11:10] | speedsix: | Oh sorry, lucky ;) |
| [17:11:25] | Juski: | ivor: that's about what I get, 65–70'C |
| [17:11:40] | mchou: | speedsix: umm, why? 8mph over speed limit? |
| [17:11:50] | Juski: | that's 6 points |
| [17:12:03] | speedsix: | mchou are you from the uk? |
| [17:12:12] | mchou: | speedsix: no, us :) |
| [17:12:25] | speedsix: | lol thought so, it's a nightmare over here |
| [17:12:37] | mchou: | speedsix: in US always go to court to fight it |
| [17:12:47] | speedsix: | police jumping out from behind hedges with laser guns etc. |
| [17:12:59] | mchou: | cause the cop might not show up, and you win automatically |
| [17:13:10] | Juski: | I only ever got caught speeding once when I had been doing 120ish on the motorway... got 'done' doing 95 (very lucky) |
| [17:13:19] | speedsix: | mchou, no point, I'm as good as done |
| [17:13:39] | mchou: | speedsix: that's too bad |
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| [17:13:47] | Juski: | take the points, pay the fine, chalk it down to experience |
| [17:14:05] | Juski: | or you could ask to see the calibration certificate :-P |
| [17:14:08] | mchou: | Juski: umm, no way |
| [17:14:09] | speedsix: | Juski, yep |
| [17:14:24] | mchou: | Juski: insurance raises |
| [17:14:25] | Juski: | and stop speeding! ;-) |
| [17:14:38] | speedsix: | should be 3pts and £60 fine, girl at work got done at the same speed |
| [17:14:59] | speedsix: | she got an offer to go on one of these anti-speeding days instead of points |
| [17:15:00] | Juski: | camera on my route to work has flashed me doing 25mph in heavy traffic |
| [17:15:06] | Juski: | 25!! |
| [17:15:15] | mchou: | speedsix: that's always a good deal |
| [17:15:22] | speedsix: | I've seen them go off loads of times incorrectly |
| [17:15:38] | speedsix: | mchou, I'll snatch their hand off if they offer me that |
| [17:15:38] | mchou: | speedsix: if it doesnt show on your record no insurance increase |
| [17:15:50] | speedsix: | you have to tell insurance co. |
| [17:15:52] | Juski: | too many are deliberately used as a source of income for the police |
| [17:16:10] | Juski: | yeh you don't get the points but it's still classed as a conviction |
| [17:16:12] | speedsix: | Juski, don't get me started, it's too hot |
| [17:16:42] | speedsix: | My premiums are high enough thanks |
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| [17:17:07] | ol_schoola: | speedsix: how old are you? |
| [17:17:12] | speedsix: | 25 |
| [17:17:21] | mchou: | ouch.... |
| [17:17:31] | mchou: | in US that would be bad |
| [17:17:48] | mchou: | very bad effect on insurance premiums |
| [17:17:57] | speedsix: | group 17 insurance car aswell, points won't be welcome |
| [17:18:01] | Juski: | move to a postcode starting with M... I pay like £700 a year and I'm 33 without any tickets in the last 5 years |
| [17:18:05] | ol_schoola: | yeah, but now he can tell some older fogey saying "you have no experience" that you do |
| [17:18:21] | ol_schoola: | first ticket = lots of experience ;) |
| [17:18:53] | speedsix: | Juski ouch! |
| [17:19:13] | speedsix: | I pay about that @ 25 with a muppet car |
| [17:19:20] | mchou: | Juski: umm, what's so special about area with postcodes starting with M? |
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| [17:19:25] | Juski: | not in manchester you don't ;-) |
| [17:19:38] | speedsix: | nope I'm in the sticks |
| [17:19:43] | Juski: | high crime rate apparently :-/ |
| [17:19:45] | mchou: | Juski: ae there no cops there? |
| [17:19:52] | mchou: | are* |
| [17:19:59] | Juski: | mchou: don't get me started on those useless £&"*(&*( |
| [17:20:08] | speedsix: | yeah they're just outnumbered by car thiefs 5–1 ;) |
| [17:20:23] | mchou: | speedsix: heh |
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| [17:20:54] | Juski: | they still haven't nabbed our street's resident door mirror smasher yet, even with clear cctv pictures. they've visited my house about it plenty of times though... |
| [17:21:09] | mchou: | lol |
| [17:21:28] | Juski: | since me & the neighbours got cctv the scrote has moved to another part of the road |
| [17:21:38] | mchou: | hehe |
| [17:21:41] | mchou: | makes sense |
| [17:22:15] | speedsix: | anyone use gaim? |
| [17:22:17] | Juski: | must've been the word getting round about some dude taking a printout of his face to the local pub... |
| [17:22:30] | ** Juski uses Gaim ** | |
| [17:22:48] | speedsix: | do you use msn? |
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| [17:23:03] | booper: | hello all...can anyone comment on how bad of an idea doing software encoding on a Duron 1200mhz is? |
| [17:23:14] | Juski: | speedsix: I use it to connect to an old msn account yeah |
| [17:23:17] | speedsix: | The 'nudge' feature doesn't make a sodding noise, what use is that!?? |
| [17:23:31] | Kelerion: | hey all |
| [17:23:38] | mchou: | booper: depends what else you're running :) |
| [17:23:39] | Kelerion: | can anyone see anything wrong with this: http://www.8010.co.uk/Xorg.0.log |
| [17:23:40] | speedsix: | howdy |
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| [17:24:35] | mchou: | Kelerion: yeah, stop using ATI :) |
| [17:24:45] | Juski: | XVideo-MotionCompensation ... with an ATI card? |
| [17:25:10] | booper: | mchou: well, i am just getting started with myth, but i've been reading up on it for a while now. i have a spare pc (the duron) that i was looking to throw myth on. the machine doesn't do that much now, some *light* server use but mainly just a playarea/sandbox. i'd only be recording one stream at a time |
| [17:25:26] | Kelerion: | I wish I could.. it's built onto the mobo.. and the pc came with the x700 |
| [17:25:48] | Juski: | Kelerion: this the ex-MCE machine? |
| [17:25:51] | scopeuk: | anyone else having trubble stayign conected today? |
| [17:25:57] | mchou: | booper: if you dont use X it might be viable |
| [17:25:57] | Kelerion: | nah.. my machine |
| [17:26:28] | booper: | mchou: i suppose running the frontend simultaneously would be a bad idea then? :) |
| [17:26:44] | Kelerion: | which module loads xvmc? |
| [17:26:55] | mchou: | booper: hell yeah, if on the same machine |
| [17:27:00] | Juski: | booper: I tried software encoding on an 800mhz athlon (thunderbird)... I could record & watch at the same time using 480x480 resolution or less, but it looked like VHS |
| [17:27:22] | mchou: | booper: different frontend machine might be OK |
| [17:27:59] | laga: | re |
| [17:28:00] | Kelerion: | there isn't even an error there I can see.. it's just crashing back to console |
| [17:28:05] | mchou: | Juski: lol. analog tuners by definition look like VHS |
| [17:28:09] | Juski: | booper: if you can, spend £40 or so on a PVR150 – excellent picture quality and erm... next to no CPU used while recording |
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| [17:29:09] | Juski: | mchou: okay – it looked like OLD, raggy VHS. my pvr150 svideo recordings look a damn sight better than my panasonic svhs recorder |
| [17:29:31] | booper: | Juski: Yeah, I'm looking into that. I don't know if it would be more worthwhile to spend the money on a faster processor (the mobo can accept an Athlon XP) which would obviously significantly improve things |
| [17:29:56] | mchou: | Juski: I was referring to the on board tuners on the PC cards. Useless |
| [17:30:20] | Juski: | booper: invest in better quality capture IMHO. if you're in the UK it's more than worth getting a DVB-T tuner actually |
| [17:30:24] | mchou: | booper: no, at this rate you'd be better off buying A64 |
| [17:30:32] | booper: | I'm in the USA, Juski |
| [17:30:34] | Juski: | mchou: I'm with you on that. tuners sucky suck suck |
| [17:30:48] | Kelerion: | brb |
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| [17:30:53] | mchou: | booper: where in USA? |
| [17:31:09] | booper: | well, like I said, it's really just an experiment at this point...so I'll try to keep my extra investment to a minimum |
| [17:31:18] | Juski: | anyone here ever DD'd 160GB over usb2? if so, how long did it take? ;-) |
| [17:31:30] | booper: | mchou: NJ |
| [17:31:41] | Juski: | well booper it'll _work_ I think but whether or not it's worth the effort is something else |
| [17:31:46] | mchou: | booper: too bad. No frys over there |
| [17:32:19] | mchou: | booper: AMD64 3000+ retail + mobo combo is $70 :) |
| [17:32:34] | booper: | mchou: yeah...it is too bad. i saw the pvr-150 for $59.99 after rebate at circuit city last week, but forgot to pounce in time (and i had a $10 coupon making it $49.99) |
| [17:33:09] | mchou: | booper: you subscribe to cable? |
| [17:33:22] | mchou: | booper: for TV |
| [17:33:25] | booper: | mchou: interesting. for some reason i thought running myth on a 64-bit architecture was a bit of a pain...but i read that article almost a year ago |
| [17:33:38] | booper: | mchou: yeah. digital cable, so i'd pretty much need to use my set-top box :( |
| [17:33:41] | mchou: | booper: no, just use 32-bit |
| [17:34:01] | mchou: | booper: dont bother getting pvr150 at all then |
| [17:34:10] | mchou: | booper: get firewire :) |
| [17:34:11] | Juski: | mchou: !!! that's cheap... infact way cheaper than anything in the UK |
| [17:34:12] | booper: | mchou: i have been trying to find info about 1394 |
| [17:34:13] | booper: | yeah |
| [17:34:48] | mchou: | Juski: I dont care how cheap pvr150s are. I still think they are junk |
| [17:34:56] | booper: | mchou: wouldn't that require even more cpu than encoding a regular tv signal? |
| [17:35:24] | mchou: | booper: no, not for encode (cause it's encoded at the source) |
| [17:35:31] | mchou: | booper: but for decode, yes |
| [17:35:38] | booper: | i see |
| [17:35:59] | mchou: | booper: yet another reason to upgrade to A64 :) |
| [17:36:12] | booper: | forgive me for being ignorant, but does myth have built-in capabilites for receiving over 1394? |
| [17:36:21] | booper: | (sorry if my terminology is a bit off, too) |
| [17:36:23] | mchou: | forget about pvr-150, apply that money to new a64 system. |
| [17:36:32] | mchou: | booper: yup |
| [17:36:41] | mchou: | booper: works like a charm |
| [17:36:54] | mchou: | need beefy cpu for decode though |
| [17:37:11] | booper: | how beefy is beefy? |
| [17:37:17] | mchou: | and a vid card that does xvmc well |
| [17:37:41] | speedsix: | Is myth written in C++? |
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| [17:38:00] | mchou: | booper: I dunno. I recommend 3GHz minimum |
| [17:38:05] | mchou: | speedsix: yup |
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| [17:38:13] | booper: | mchou: hm...like I said, i'm trying to minimize investment...it really is too bad that there are no fry's around here, because i might be willing to drop $70 if it would mean having a much less frustrating experience |
| [17:38:26] | laga: | uh, mailorder? |
| [17:38:29] | mchou: | booper: I have frys here :) |
| [17:38:43] | mchou: | laga: frys dont do mail order |
| [17:38:54] | booper: | i wish they had all the same stuff on outpost |
| [17:39:02] | laga: | well, there are other shops. |
| [17:39:08] | mchou: | booper: they do, just the deals aint as good :) |
| [17:39:49] | speedsix: | does anyone do any C coding for linux? What's a good IDE to use? |
| [17:40:41] | mchou: | booper: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.a . . . 05&type= |
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| [17:41:45] | scopeuk: | ok my router has tw oweeks to live |
| [17:41:46] | booper: | mchou: check your messages |
| [17:41:47] | scopeuk: | its screed me round long enough |
| [17:42:00] | mchou: | booper: messages? |
| [17:42:07] | booper: | private message |
| [17:42:22] | mchou: | booper: I didt get no pm |
| [17:42:28] | mchou: | didnt* |
| [17:43:44] | booper: | oh, i just asked if you visit slickdeals |
| [17:43:58] | booper: | because i saw that link an hour or so ago while browsing |
| [17:43:59] | mchou: | booper: sometimes. why? |
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| [17:44:21] | mchou: | booper: heck, I check frys ads every day :) |
| [17:44:29] | booper: | oh, haha |
| [17:44:36] | speedsix: | Had my first play with MCE the other day |
| [17:44:39] | mchou: | booper: frys is just down the street for me :) |
| [17:44:43] | electrichamster_: | speedsix, anjuta |
| [17:44:50] | booper: | speedsix: what did you think? |
| [17:44:55] | speedsix: | electrichamster_, just installing that now :) |
| [17:45:13] | electrichamster_: | speedsix, make sure it's anjuta2, it's miles better |
| [17:46:02] | speedsix: | booper, uh, it's ok. Nice menu transitions. Funny because all the anti-linux lot at work were going on about how quick and easy windows programs are to setup. They had all manor of troubles and were seconds from throwing the box out the window :) |
| [17:46:16] | mchou: | speedsix: haha! |
| [17:46:32] | electrichamster_: | speedsix, but then, myth isn't exactly a peice of cake :P |
| [17:46:38] | speedsix: | They were harping on about how compatible windows is re. hardware and their card wasn't supported in MCE!! |
| [17:46:38] | mchou: | speedsix: and that's only INSTALL. Wait till they miss recordings |
| [17:46:46] | booper: | speedsix: interesting. my old roommate uses MCE and it works quite well, although he did have some trouble with his tuner card initially |
| [17:47:01] | scopeuk: | there is no such think as a simple pvr install not with any resonable featuer set any way |
| [17:47:08] | speedsix: | why the hell doesn't MCE come with a mpeg2 decoder?? |
| [17:47:15] | speedsix: | scopeuk, agree |
| [17:47:19] | scopeuk: | and mupet can install say fedora 4/5 or win xp |
| [17:47:21] | mchou: | booper: seriously, I think MCE sucks big time compared to myth |
| [17:47:30] | scopeuk: | but there are so many complexities with pvr hardware |
| [17:47:53] | speedsix: | MCE looked nowhere near as advanced as myth. And it lacks mythweb which is a major downer |
| [17:48:05] | booper: | mchou: that's what i'm hoping and that's how it seems from what i've been reading. i'm really quite eager to dive into it (mythtv, that is) |
| [17:48:29] | scopeuk: | myth is fantastic when it works |
| [17:48:37] | dev: | as long as you know linux you wont have a problem |
| [17:48:41] | scopeuk: | but when ists broke it can have you reaching for the sledge hammer |
| [17:48:43] | mchou: | booper: seriously, if you get digital cable there is very little reason to get pvr150 |
| [17:49:09] | mchou: | booper: get a better system with firewire, it'd be cheaper |
| [17:49:24] | booper: | mchou: i believe you...i'm not sure how simple it is to get a STB with firewire from my cable co, though, although there is supposedly some law requiring them to provide it if i ask for it |
| [17:49:38] | mchou: | booper: who is cableco? |
| [17:49:47] | booper: | cablevision |
| [17:49:55] | mchou: | dunno about them |
| [17:50:03] | booper: | they're only on the east coast |
| [17:50:09] | dev: | booper: its easy if you tell them you have a tivo |
| [17:50:21] | dev: | better to just not mention myth or you get alot of questions and bleh bleh/. |
| [17:50:22] | mchou: | booper: I have comcast, they chare $5/mo for HDTV STB |
| [17:50:33] | mchou: | charge* |
| [17:50:34] | booper: | mchou: well, my desktop is plenty powerful and has all the goodies (firewire included) but I wanted to keep myth separate |
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| [17:50:56] | speedsix: | and why on earth isn't MCE just an add-on app for XP, why the hell make a whole new OS?? |
| [17:50:58] | mchou: | booper: other cablecos charge more |
| [17:51:00] | speedsix: | I don't geddit |
| [17:51:04] | booper: | mchou: that stinks. i don't think i have to pay extra, bur i'm not entirely sure...the cable bill is already exorbitant |
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| [17:51:25] | booper: | speedsix: because they can make more money that way, i assume |
| [17:51:38] | speedsix: | yeah I can't see any other reason |
| [17:51:43] | booper: | dev: do you have cablevision? |
| [17:51:48] | dev: | yes. |
| [17:51:52] | mchou: | booper: no, it doesnt stink. I only subscribe to "limited basic" but I get Discovery HD and whatnot :) |
| [17:51:53] | dev: | and ia live in nj |
| [17:51:56] | dev: | :) |
| [17:52:04] | booper: | cool. |
| [17:52:25] | booper: | where in NJ, if you feel inclined to share? |
| [17:52:27] | mchou: | booper: for $5 that beats getting an atsc/qam receiver for > $100 :) |
| [17:52:34] | dev: | central, with cablevision |
| [17:52:40] | booper: | a-ha. me too |
| [17:53:00] | dev: | its not a problem to get a box with firewire when you tell them you have a tivo |
| [17:53:03] | booper: | do you have the 4200? |
| [17:53:16] | dev: | they try to push their dvr on you but when you say you got it as a present etc etc they're helpful |
| [17:53:55] | booper: | i see |
| [17:53:59] | speedsix: | Juski, have you tried umbongo dapper yet? |
| [17:54:51] | dev: | bbl, working in the garden |
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| [18:30:45] | electrichamster_: | knoppmyth |
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| [18:33:56] | marmoset: | mysettopbox.tv |
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| [18:34:57] | Jelte: | hiya... occasionally i get a bad nuv file... playback halts with some file IO error. I'm trying to use transcode to convert the nuv to something else to watch it, but I can't seem to get it working |
| [18:35:13] | Jelte: | transcode to xvid complains with video export module error: init failed |
| [18:35:35] | Jelte: | it said the xvid4.cfg is missing, thus its using the defaults, but then bails out with the init failed error |
| [18:36:02] | Jelte: | I was using: transcode -i /media/recordings/xxxxxxxxx.nuv -o ~/bla.avi -y xvid |
| [18:36:06] | Jelte: | should that not just work? |
| [18:37:48] | marmoset: | Jelte: dunno, but I'd recommend trying out nuvexport instead of doing it by hand |
| [18:38:24] | Jelte: | marmoset: ah that sounds promising.... lemme check that out |
| [18:38:26] | Jelte: | thanks |
| [18:40:10] | Jelte: | hmm is there a debian package for nuvexport or only an rpm? |
| [18:43:00] | speedsix: | Jelte, I couldn't get transcode to do anything useful recently, kept getting similar errors you mentioned |
| [18:43:28] | Juski: | speedsix: when they change the name I might try it ;-) or not |
| [18:43:39] | marmoset: | Jelte: came with knoppmyth for me, but I think it's just a make install if you do it by hand |
| [18:44:01] | speedsix: | Juski, what's wrong with the name? |
| [18:44:41] | Juski: | lol. nothing. not a huge fan of umbongo anymore |
| [18:45:36] | speedsix: | Oh right, I really like dapper. Anything in particular your not a huge fan of? |
| [18:45:51] | Juski: | erm... them not having 0.19 packages for one thing |
| [18:45:59] | Jelte: | well i got it installed, but running it throws a fair few errors as well... uninitialized value in numberic gt at /usr/share/nuvexport/ffmpeg.pm (a LOT of these) |
| [18:46:02] | gardengnome: | Juski: hamsta has got 0.19 packages, so does thehunter.ws |
| [18:46:14] | speedsix: | yeah, anyone know why? |
| [18:46:40] | Jelte: | then it subsequently bails out, after loading MythTV recording info, unkonwn column 'basename' in 'field list' |
| [18:46:59] | Juski: | gardengnome: do those packages have dvb etc in them? I figure if I have to compile mythtv anyway I might aswell use gentoo |
| [18:47:48] | gardengnome: | Juski: yep, they do. |
| [18:48:01] | gardengnome: | Juski: at least hamsta's packages. he's even made a repo for dapper |
| [18:48:12] | Juski: | interesting |
| [18:48:28] | marmoset: | Jelte: I think that basename thing is OK, I'm not sure tho :/ It just works in knoppmyth for me, been a long time since I've had to mess with it by hand |
| [18:48:28] | speedsix: | gardengnome, you got an url for those? |
| [18:48:53] | gardengnome: | speedsix: http://hamsta.net/mythtv/files/ |
| [18:49:01] | gardengnome: | speedsix: not sure about the repo ATM |
| [18:49:01] | speedsix: | cheers chap |
| [18:49:49] | Juski: | looks like this dd I'm doing will be finished sometime tomorrow :-/ |
| [18:49:59] | speedsix: | god building linux programs can be a total pain in the arse sometimes :/ |
| [18:50:39] | speedsix: | when will we have platform independant packages |
| [18:50:54] | Juski: | but, once the dd is done I can start stripping things off the hdd. adios, portage! adios, manpages.. (etc) |
| [18:51:17] | marmoset: | speedsix: it's much better than it used to be, when you'd have to pick a makefile and modify it yourself ;) |
| [18:52:03] | speedsix: | yikes |
| [18:52:21] | Juski: | yeh, and you no longer need to ssh into a box when you change the screen res to a mode the monitor doesn't support ;-) |
| [18:52:38] | Juski: | FC2... ah those were the days |
| [18:52:52] | gardengnome: | Juski: what about switching to a VT? ;) |
| [18:53:35] | Juski: | lol |
| [18:53:50] | Juski: | what about getting pissed off with it & reinstalling (or not)? ;-) |
| [18:54:02] | gardengnome: | heheh ;) |
| [18:54:33] | Jelte: | after some googling it seems it's a mismatch between my myth 0.18 and the latest ver of nuvexport.... so question is.. do i byte the bullet and finally upgrade to 0.19 or not... |
| [18:54:41] | Jelte: | decisions, decisions |
| [18:55:03] | Juski: | upgrade!!! |
| [18:55:08] | speedsix: | go for it |
| [18:55:24] | Jelte: | d'you know how long it took me to get a (somewhat) working system!??! ;-) |
| [18:55:32] | ** Juski doesn't care ** | |
| [18:55:35] | speedsix: | as long as me? |
| [18:55:43] | Jelte: | hehe... |
| [18:55:49] | speedsix: | actually that's a lie, my probs were hardware related |
| [18:56:30] | speedsix: | juski I solved that focus problem I was always banging on about |
| [18:57:04] | Juski: | rrrr why can't dd have a progress indicator? it's so cruel |
| [18:57:09] | speedsix: | set focus in gnome to mouse over and mapped an app to the remote that moves cursor to second screen |
| [18:57:43] | marmoset: | Juski: there is, it's called ls -l |
| [18:57:43] | marmoset: | ;) |
| [18:57:45] | Juski: | gardengnome: s100 box... 40 EURO... unreasonable? |
| [19:00:22] | Juski: | ouch.. it went for €46.50 |
| [19:00:49] | gardengnome: | 40¤? sounds still good to me |
| [19:00:54] | gardengnome: | they're getting expensive :/ |
| [19:03:19] | ** Jelte just pressed the install button... here's to upgrading myth on a sunday night!! ** | |
| [19:03:33] | Juski: | word is getting round that you can install a slackware based distro & hack cable/satellite tv with it :-/ |
| [19:04:11] | speedsix: | How do linux apps locate shared libraries? |
| [19:04:35] | gardengnome: | Juski: :/ |
| [19:04:39] | Juski: | it's not the registry ;-) |
| [19:04:41] | speedsix: | I have an app that complains it can't find a .so file yet I have it in /usr/local/lib? |
| [19:05:03] | Juski: | speedsix: is /usr/local/lib in ld.so.conf ? |
| [19:05:40] | speedsix: | yeah it is :/ |
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| [19:05:51] | Juski: | try ldconfig (I think) |
| [19:05:56] | speedsix: | k |
| [19:06:15] | gardengnome: | Juski: check your mail. replica watches for cheap. |
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| [19:06:26] | speedsix: | you da man :) |
| [19:06:36] | Juski: | gardengnome: lol |
| [19:07:24] | Juski: | I'm sick of deleting support spam.. and I've only deleted like 3 messages |
| [19:07:39] | gardengnome: | heh |
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| [19:08:57] | ** Juski wonders if there's a way to query this usb disk to find out which usb speed it is ** | |
| [19:09:11] | Juski: | (without stopping the in-progress dd of course) |
| [19:10:03] | Juski: | sod it.. time to watch a filmy |
| [19:12:02] | speedsix: | does 1.5GB for 30mins sound right for a dvb recording converted to a dvd mpeg with ac3 audio?? |
| [19:12:55] | speedsix: | my dvd iso created with 3x 30min programs came out at ~4.8GB!? |
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| [19:18:52] | booper: | i always thought you could fit about 2 hours into ~4.5GB |
| [19:19:00] | Mika_i_: | yeap |
| [19:20:07] | onetwo: | Juski, dd's take a very long time, but there is a parameter bs= perhaps bs=1024 might be faster I think that at work on a Solaris box, 18gb was 5 mins with that setting – not sure about linux though |
| [19:20:43] | speedsix: | not sure what I'm doing wrong. Convert dvb .mpg's into dvd compliant mpgs with ac3 using FFMPEG. dvdauthor and then mkisofs |
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| [20:05:28] | cain297: | hey guys – I am having some issues with choppy video on mythfrontend (saperate machine from the one running mythbackend) |
| [20:06:08] | cain297: | the machine i am running mythfrontend on is connected to my tv, while my desktop runs mythbackend |
| [20:06:40] | cain297: | my desktop shows both live tv and recorded tv just fine, but the one connected to the tv shows choppy video on both |
| [20:06:54] | cain297: | anybody have an idea why? |
| [20:07:12] | jammyd: | if you play a random video stream outside myth, is it choppy then also? |
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| [20:08:06] | cain297: | hmmm...haven't tried that – i can give it a shot – but one more thing – mythfrontend ends up using about 90% CPU |
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| [20:09:53] | cain297: | mplayer plays video just fine over a nfs share on mapped to my desktop |
| [20:10:08] | jammyd: | it's worth trying it without myth first, that way you can potentially rule a big part of the puzzle out |
| [20:10:13] | jammyd: | yeah, but that's a different machine, yeah? |
| [20:10:43] | cain297: | i have a nfs share mapped from my desktop onto the machine connected to the tv |
| [20:10:48] | Zider: | the disk access for playing movies is far less than streaming a full screen uncompressed.. |
| [20:11:06] | cain297: | when i run mplayer on the one connected to the tv, it plays just fine |
| [20:11:19] | booper: | network too slow? |
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| [20:11:51] | cain297: | i'm uploading at about 5000kb/s as reported by iptraf |
| [20:12:29] | cain297: | i also figured that the network was too slow, but pausing and then playing doesn't seem to help either – and then i saw that rate and figured it really couldn't be slow |
| [20:12:57] | cain297: | could it be due to mythfrontend using up so much cpu? |
| [20:13:43] | booper: | how much does mplayer use when you run it alone? |
| [20:14:08] | cain297: | lemme check |
| [20:14:35] | booper: | by the way – i am just getting started with mythtv, so i'm probably not very qualified to help you troubleshoot :) |
| [20:15:05] | cain297: | mplayer's using about 23% |
| [20:15:23] | cain297: | i'll take anything right now...:) I've been stuck with this for the last 2 days |
| [20:16:06] | booper: | well, like Zider said...uncompressed stuff will require far less disk access than compressed stuff |
| [20:16:14] | booper: | i'm guessing mythtv streams things uncompressed? |
| [20:16:51] | booper: | if that's the case you'd need a lot more network throughput, but that still doesn't explain why mythfrontend is using 90% |
| [20:17:04] | Zider: | booper: you mean far MORE access? :) |
| [20:17:16] | booper: | Zider: whoops, yes |
| [20:17:23] | cain297: | yea – mythfrontend and X together take up almost 95% |
| [20:17:25] | booper: | ~5mbits/sec doesn't seem particularly fast for uncompressed video |
| [20:17:39] | cain297: | this is a P III 750 MHz machine though |
| [20:17:49] | Zider: | unless he means 5Mbytes/sec ;) |
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| [20:18:08] | ben: | http://dev.shaunevans.co.uk/ben/wordpress/wp- . . . 20window.png |
| [20:18:18] | booper: | wouldn't that technically be 5000kB/sec then? :) |
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| [20:18:40] | cain297: | 1318.2 kbits/sec – when playing recorded video |
| [20:18:43] | Zider: | booper: well, there are different views on that.. k or K, b or B and so on.. :P |
| [20:19:00] | Zider: | maybe some DMA problem? |
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| [20:19:18] | Zider: | card stuck in 1x AGP or something silly like that? |
| [20:19:20] | ben: | 5000 kilobits per second |
| [20:19:34] | timmower: | hello myth is refusing to connect to my database – do I need to use old style passwords? |
| [20:19:48] | booper: | cain297: by "recorded" do you mean the myth stuff? |
| [20:20:14] | cain297: | yea – i recorded a football match this morning – am playing it now |
| [20:20:40] | cain297: | Zider: I checked all the DMA stuff layed out at http://www.a1ontheweb.co.uk:8080/mythtv-doc/m . . . .html#ss20.5 |
| [20:20:53] | booper: | it doesn't seem like that is fast enough for uncompressed to me, but as I said i have no experience yet |
| [20:21:08] | booper: | are the two machines hardwired? |
| [20:21:11] | cain297: | booper: that is transcoded video |
| [20:21:15] | booper: | or is there some wireless nastiness |
| [20:21:17] | cain297: | yes – through a router |
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| [20:21:26] | cain297: | neither is using wireless |
| [20:22:03] | timmower: | mythtv is the hardest thing i have setup on linux – worse than sendmail |
| [20:22:21] | cain297: | Zider: You said something about card stuck in 1x AGP – could you explain that – thing is i bought this maching from a guy who already had it setup so that X worked on a TV – so i have not played around with xorg.conf at all |
| [20:22:40] | Zider: | cain297: well.. what card model is it? |
| [20:23:02] | cain297: | ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro 215GP (rev 5c) |
| [20:23:53] | cain297: | xorg.conf is at manocha.ath.cx/~rmanocha/xorg.conf |
| [20:23:57] | Zider: | hum.. dunno how to play with agp speeds with ati cards.. :/ |
| [20:24:35] | gardengnome: | rage pro sounds mighty old to me, it's possible that it doesn't even support more than 1x. IMHO, IIRC, YMMV. :) |
| [20:24:49] | Zider: | IANAL |
| [20:24:50] | Zider: | ;) |
| [20:25:13] | gardengnome: | Zider: that one sounds bad. |
| [20:25:25] | Zider: | it does? |
| [20:26:10] | gardengnome: | yeah. "i anal". |
| [20:26:28] | Zider: | I Am Not A Lawyer |
| [20:26:44] | gardengnome: | i know what it stands for, but the abreviation still sounds bad. |
| [20:26:47] | Zider: | altho, lawyer and anal do fit together :P |
| [20:26:52] | JustWilliam: | anybody running ubuntu dapper drake |
| [20:27:42] | cain297: | i could try changing swapping the card with the one in my desktop – its a nvidia geforce mx 420 |
| [20:30:04] | booper: | cain297: good luck with everything |
| [20:30:06] | booper: | ciao, everybody |
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| [20:42:15] | timmower: | right next problem – I am getting a failed to open the card error on channel scanning – but myth sees the dvb card fine |
| [20:42:52] | timmower: | also, does anyone here use myth tv with freeview? what is the best way to get channel listings – I thought the latest myth supported the epg |
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| [20:49:43] | Juski: | can anyone say ubuntu dapper drake without laughing? :-P |
| [20:49:55] | Juski: | what's wrong with 11.3? |
| [20:50:10] | Juski: | !kick Juski |
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| [20:54:55] | ben: | ubuntu dapper drake |
| [20:54:59] | ** ben did not laugh ** | |
| [20:55:45] | ben: | I think it's great, but I won't be using it for my myth systems |
| [20:55:58] | JustWilliam: | y |
| [20:56:03] | ben: | knoppmyth and fedora for the proverbial winnage |
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| [20:56:32] | ben: | because my experience with it as a server operating system has been screamy |
| [20:56:43] | metalac: | hey guys i downgraded from mysql4 to mysql5 |
| [20:56:53] | ben: | metalac, that's upgrading |
| [20:56:55] | ben: | :P |
| [20:56:57] | metalac: | and now i get qmysql3 driver not loaded error |
| [20:57:05] | metalac: | oh i mean from mysql5 to mysql4 :) sorry |
| [20:57:11] | Juski: | metalac: oops |
| [20:57:11] | metalac: | i recompiled qt |
| [20:57:11] | ben: | ah |
| [20:57:33] | metalac: | i recompiled mysql to 4 |
| [20:57:38] | metalac: | and the recompiled qt and mythtv |
| [20:57:41] | metalac: | and still the same error |
| [20:58:01] | ben: | JustWilliam, ubuntu also does not have packages for all of myth |
| [20:58:04] | Juski: | did you recompile qt with mysql support though? |
| [20:58:09] | ben: | metalac, gentoo? |
| [20:58:25] | metalac: | ben: yes |
| [20:58:31] | ben: | metalac, check mysql useflag etc |
| [20:58:44] | metalac: | it's compiled with mysql |
| [20:58:46] | metalac: | it worked earlier |
| [20:58:53] | ** ben was not aware that qt, a sucky gui toolkit, had database functionality ** | |
| [20:58:58] | metalac: | but i had to downgrade to mysql4 since mysql5 made backend crash |
| [20:59:03] | dev: | what version of qt? |
| [20:59:09] | metalac: | 4 something |
| [20:59:13] | dev: | bingo. |
| [20:59:20] | ben: | metalac, qt 4 isn't used much |
| [20:59:25] | metalac: | oh |
| [20:59:30] | dev: | qt4 isnted supported by myth |
| [20:59:30] | metalac: | so i should downgrade to 3? |
| [20:59:35] | dev: | sense the "qmysql3" :) |
| [20:59:42] | dev: | s/sense/hense |
| [20:59:51] | dev: | hence? |
| [20:59:52] | dev: | whatever. |
| [20:59:53] | dev: | :P |
| [21:00:00] | ben: | metalac, almost certainly |
| [21:00:22] | ** ben awaits the new mythpainting thingy with opengl ** | |
| [21:00:40] | ben: | of course, |
| [21:00:42] | Juski: | menu fades? pleh |
| [21:00:53] | ** ben will need a 3d acceleration capable graphics card then ** | |
| [21:01:15] | ben: | does 3d acceleration work over LTSP? |
| [21:01:37] | ben: | i.e. network-booting mythfrontend system |
| [21:02:17] | metalac: | so i have few questions while QT3 is compiling :) |
| [21:02:28] | metalac: | I just got HDTV from my cable provider |
| [21:02:39] | metalac: | they gave me a box and it works just fine and HD is beatufiul |
| [21:02:57] | metalac: | now if i buy one of the HD-3000 or 5500 cards, will I need the box still to have this stuff work? |
| [21:03:09] | Juski: | ben: erm... it doesn't matter whether you netboot your FE or not – if it's capable of doing opengl, then fine |
| [21:03:14] | ben: | ok |
| [21:03:15] | ben: | Juski, menu fades and other gimmicky shizz will attract more lusers than "functionality" or "features" or other frivolity |
| [21:03:19] | metalac: | or will I even need the monthly subscription from the cable company? |
| [21:03:22] | mchou: | metalac: nope |
| [21:03:32] | ben: | metalax, you'll need the subscription, methinks |
| [21:03:49] | mchou: | metalac: you wont need HD3k |
| [21:03:54] | ben: | otherwise they will probably stop broadcasting to your home. |
| [21:04:05] | Juski: | ben: mythtv doesn't need anymore lusers. there are more an enough already. have you seen the users mailing list? |
| [21:04:13] | gardengnome: | ben: if you're using LTSP: mythfrontend has to run as a local app. |
| [21:04:13] | ben: | juski, meh |
| [21:04:14] | mchou: | metalac: you'll still need to subscribe |
| [21:04:23] | metalac: | mchou: so how can i watch it without the HD card in my computer? |
| [21:04:25] | dev: | um, it depends, some cable companies require you to have a box to do hd, in that case your best bet is to try and get one with firewire (by telling your cable company you have a tivo, is easiest) then use firewire capture |
| [21:04:33] | mchou: | metalac: firewire |
| [21:04:55] | dev: | mchou: you still require an subscription to use firewire on a STB provided from your cable company |
| [21:04:58] | ben: | gardengnome, I'm not doing anything yet, but I want to network boot my mythfrontend to save heat/noise from an HDD |
| [21:05:01] | mchou: | Juski: what lusers you referring to? |
| [21:05:17] | ** Juski is drunk so ignore him ** | |
| [21:05:22] | ben: | juski, any project gains from more lusers |
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| [21:05:26] | mchou: | dev: did I say something contrary to that? |
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| [21:05:35] | dev: | <metalac> or will I even need the monthly subscription from the cable company? |
| [21:05:37] | dev: | <mchou> metalac: nope |
| [21:05:48] | gardengnome: | ben: i've tried LTSP like a year ago or so. i was using their LBE to compile mythtv, but i couldn't get it all worked out. i'm now netbooting gentoo and i'm quite satisfied. debian works nicely, too. |
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| [21:05:49] | mchou: | dev: dont be stupid |
| [21:05:58] | dev: | mchou: uh.. |
| [21:06:07] | dev: | dont tell people the wrong shit then |
| [21:06:12] | ben: | gardengnome, I didn't know whether netbooting meant ltsp |
| [21:06:16] | mchou: | [14:02:57] <metalac> now if i buy one of the HD-3000 or 5500 cards, will I need the box still to have this stuff work? |
| [21:06:22] | ben: | I stand corrected; all is fine. |
| [21:06:26] | gardengnome: | ben: you'd better read up on a few things :) |
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| [21:06:46] | mchou: | [14:03:22] <mchou> metalac: nope |
| [21:06:47] | ben: | gardengnome, yeah |
| [21:07:02] | mchou: | dev: I think you need to get a life |
| [21:07:06] | dev: | mchou: guarantee you im not the only one in this channel tha took your repsonse the wrong way |
| [21:07:13] | metalac: | ok so if i connect firewire from the box to my comp I should be HD compliant? |
| [21:07:14] | gardengnome: | goddammit |
| [21:07:22] | ben: | now now children, let's play _nicely_ |
| [21:07:25] | gardengnome: | would you please stop arguing? you're doing it *again* |
| [21:07:39] | metalac: | so what you are saying is that since i have PVR150 i won't need to buy a second one in order to record and watch at same time? |
| [21:07:42] | dev: | gardengnome: i just wanted to make sure metalac wasnt givin the wrong information |
| [21:07:42] | mchou: | dev: I dont care if you took it the wrong way since you apparently cant read |
| [21:08:07] | mchou: | dev: [14:04:14] <mchou> metalac: you'll still need to subscribe |
| [21:08:08] | ** ben patronises, gardengnome gets exasperated... neither achieve anything, but it makes ben feel marginally better ** | |
| [21:08:18] | gardengnome: | hehe ;) |
| [21:08:24] | ben: | metalac, that seems to be trie |
| [21:08:27] | ** gardengnome is german, therefore he likes yelling ** | |
| [21:08:28] | dev: | mchou: dude, stfu already, you're like a little whining girl |
| [21:08:35] | mchou: | dev: haha!! |
| [21:08:35] | Zider: | exasperated.. sounds kinky.. :P |
| [21:08:40] | ** Juski just enjoys watching scrolly text (i.e. is back to being a fan of gentoo) ** | |
| [21:08:43] | ben: | dev, mchou, shut the hell up |
| [21:08:52] | ** ben dusts off hands ** | |
| [21:09:00] | Zider: | Juski: :D |
| [21:09:04] | gardengnome: | Juski: i think emerge gcc is more fun than #mythtv-users right now |
| [21:09:10] | Juski: | it always is |
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| [21:09:12] | ben: | metalac, if your mythtv is recieving a digital signal then theoretically it doesn't need another tuner, no |
| [21:09:45] | ben: | yay, dev, mchou shut up |
| [21:09:46] | metalac: | ben: sweet i'll give this a try, much cheaper option then shelling another $150 for additional cards :) |
| [21:09:57] | ben: | metalac, glad I could help |
| [21:10:06] | Juski: | $150 for a pvr150? they're making that up – they've got to be |
| [21:10:24] | metalac: | Juski: no i'm talking about pvr150 and HD |
| [21:10:30] | dev: | lol |
| [21:10:33] | ben: | juski, how much is that in pounds? |
| [21:10:51] | metalac: | the way dollar is behaving these days probably around 5 pounds ;) |
| [21:10:53] | dev: | metalac: why dont you just call up your cable company and get a box with firewire (or check the one you have now and see if it has firewire) |
| [21:10:57] | Juski: | just get a firewire enabled cable receiver & have done with it |
| [21:10:58] | ben: | metalac, good point |
| [21:11:01] | metalac: | dev: this one does |
| [21:11:12] | metalac: | i'll hook up firewire later on today |
| [21:11:18] | ben: | metalac, good luck |
| [21:11:26] | metalac: | any howto's for firewire |
| [21:11:28] | ben: | you're braver than me |
| [21:11:35] | dev: | its easy, you plug it in |
| [21:11:36] | dev: | :P |
| [21:11:48] | Juski: | saw a picture of the back of a $ky HD box today... it's got USB, firewire & LAN connections. can you use em? can you f... |
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| [21:11:52] | fysatv: | how do you set ALSA as a v4l capture audio device? |
| [21:11:56] | ben: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire |
| [21:12:03] | fysatv: | it resets it back to (none) |
| [21:12:22] | ben: | juski, :D |
| [21:13:08] | metalac: | here is what they say "FireWire works very well in connecting a MythTV backend to certain cable boxes (including the Motorola DCT-6200). MythTV 0.18 and up contains built-in support for changing channels on the DCT-6200 (generally reliable, although occasionally digits get dropped, however I have not noticed this with 0.19). Here is how to get a fully working firewire setup going either with a single set top box, or several bo |
| [21:13:08] | metalac: | xes by daisy chaining." |
| [21:13:18] | metalac: | seems that it's fairly well supported |
| [21:13:33] | ben: | metalac, most digital inputs are |
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| [21:14:06] | Juski: | that reminds me. my backend crashed today cos someone selected 'watch tv' instead of 'media library' .. must remember to edit that pesky menu |
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| [21:14:31] | ben: | juski, with stability like that who needs X? |
| [21:14:31] | metalac: | yayyy i jus thappen to have DCT-6200 :) |
| [21:14:43] | ben: | :) |
| [21:14:59] | Juski: | ben: livetv with dvb cards in 0.19 is _unusable_ |
| [21:15:06] | Juski: | even by accident |
| [21:15:09] | ben: | juski, shit. |
| [21:15:26] | dev: | Juski: why arent you running svn |
| [21:15:27] | dev: | ? |
| [21:15:35] | Juski: | we don't use it here, but it causes problems if accidentally selected sometimes |
| [21:15:36] | ben: | will 0.20 both fix that and be released by the end of july? |
| [21:15:57] | ben: | dev, is svn myth usable? |
| [21:16:15] | Juski: | I'm not running svn because I like to be able to actually watch stuff that's scheduled to record from time to time & not have to spend my life updating & compiling ;-) |
| [21:16:24] | metalac: | so another question |
| [21:16:26] | dev: | yes, and supposedly dvb is much much much much much x4756934534 improved ;) |
| [21:16:33] | metalac: | i noticed that i get a drop frame here and there |
| [21:16:43] | ben: | the last time I used version-control software was when I was running the daily builds of firefox 1.5 on windows.. |
| [21:16:44] | metalac: | and the tickers on the bottom are not smooth, they sort of jerk |
| [21:16:49] | Juski: | I tried svn on another box and _yes_ it's very much better |
| [21:16:57] | ** ben has tried to banish those memories, dev has dragged them up ** | |
| [21:17:03] | Juski: | metalac: use a different deinterlace method |
| [21:17:04] | metalac: | what can I do to remedy this? i have XvMC and fairly good box (Sempron 2800) |
| [21:17:06] | ben: | juski, ok |
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| [21:17:13] | metalac: | Juski: ahhhh thnx |
| [21:17:28] | metalac: | Juski: do i set that up in mythtv-setup or in settings of the frontend? |
| [21:17:40] | Juski: | frontend settings – tv playback |
| [21:17:51] | Juski: | if using xvmc you need to use bob deinterlace iirc |
| [21:17:53] | ben: | metalac lives in a country where DOGs are normal. poor metalac |
| [21:18:10] | dev: | Juski: hehe you dont have to checkout and compile everyday ;) just check out a revision that works well for ya and stick with that |
| [21:18:11] | metalac: | DOGs??? |
| [21:18:14] | Juski: | or if you have nvidia hardware just crank the flicker filter up a tad using nvidia-settings |
| [21:18:16] | ben: | metalac, yes |
| [21:18:25] | ben: | other acronym: TFLITC |
| [21:18:31] | metalac: | what's a DOG? |
| [21:18:33] | ben: | or TFHLITC |
| [21:18:42] | ben: | "those f huge logos in the corner" |
| [21:18:50] | metalac: | ahahahahha |
| [21:18:51] | Juski: | DOG == digitally originated graphic == digital onscreen graphic == great thing to help commflagging do its thing |
| [21:18:59] | ben: | juski, how? |
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| [21:19:12] | Juski: | you know some channels remove the DOG for ad breaks |
| [21:19:20] | ben: | juski, hardly ever here |
| [21:19:23] | Juski: | and those that do... hey hey |
| [21:19:38] | Juski: | makes it pretty damn accurate imho |
| [21:19:39] | ben: | juski, we hardly ever get them here, in fact |
| [21:19:39] | gardengnome: | lots of channels to that in germany. <3. |
| [21:19:52] | gardengnome: | Juski: does mythcommflag honor the logo? |
| [21:19:58] | ben: | no dogs in bbc 1/2, and no adverts in bbc 3/4 |
| [21:20:06] | Juski: | if I was an advertiser I wouldn't want some shit splatterred all over my big $$$ advert |
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| [21:20:23] | ben: | and I don't think UKTV removes the DOG for their adverts, though I may be wrong |
| [21:20:24] | Juski: | bbc3... lol. if you watch bbc3 a lot just chuck the pvr out |
| [21:20:35] | Juski: | or uktv come to think of it |
| [21:20:38] | ben: | juski, I watch it for doctor who repeats |
| [21:20:48] | ben: | when I miss the saturday one :) |
| [21:20:48] | Juski: | 'coming up next, the same show we showed at this time yesterday' |
| [21:20:57] | ben: | juski, heh |
| [21:21:23] | ben: | I think the total programming content on UK Gold must add up to about a month solid |
| [21:21:43] | Juski: | ben: sign up to "the campaign for logo-free tv" then, like all the other sad-sacs who have nothing better to do (like me) rather than concern yourself with oo I dunno – world poverty or something ;-) |
| [21:21:43] | ben: | but they still have some good shows.. I'm glad it's just been put on freeview |
| [21:21:51] | metalac: | oh how do i remove a show from recording. while messing around i set Colbert Report to be recorded ALL the time, including all the reruns, now i can't change it back |
| [21:21:56] | ben: | juski, I think I already signed that |
| [21:22:08] | ben: | but I will sign it again, because I'm not sure |
| [21:22:36] | Juski: | hell I even signed a petition to get that bearded arsehole George Lucas to release the _original_ Star Wars series on DVD... how fscking sad is that? |
| [21:23:11] | Juski: | (original, as in, before he doctored them with obvious cut & paste CGI) |
| [21:23:32] | metalac: | somebody sounds like south park kids ;) |
| [21:23:46] | ben: | juski, heh |
| [21:24:05] | Juski: | anywa gardengnome yes logo detection helps commflagging _lots_ in my experience |
| [21:24:19] | ben: | juski, if myth can detect a DOG for advert detection, surely it can remove it? |
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| [21:24:54] | Juski: | all you'd be able to do is obscure it with blurring or whatever, so you'd still _know_ there was a logo there |
| [21:25:12] | ben: | if we tell it what shape the DOG is, it should be able to darken the screen to counteract the lightening |
| [21:25:15] | Jelte: | hiya guys... just upgraded to myth 0.19 and things seem to be working so so.... i'm getting a lot of the following messages in the log though (2006-06–11 22:24:04.359 Could not open /media/recordings//1011_20060526025500_20060526040000.nuv.png. 2 retries remaining.) it seems the double slash in that name is wrong... where would that be coming from ? the db? |
| [21:25:33] | Juski: | ben: just let your plasma burnin do that :-P |
| [21:25:42] | ben: | juski, heh |
| [21:25:46] | ben: | no plasma in my house |
| [21:25:55] | ben: | apart from mum's and stepdad's computers |
| [21:26:00] | ben: | and their telly |
| [21:26:11] | Juski: | ... and the one in the kitchen |
| [21:26:16] | ben: | juski, nope |
| [21:26:20] | ben: | just those three |
| [21:26:41] | ben: | additionally we have five CRTs |
| [21:26:44] | gardengnome: | your mom has a *plasma* hooked up to her computer? |
| [21:27:02] | ben: | gardengnome, a TFT screen, yes |
| [21:27:18] | gardengnome: | well, there's a difference :) |
| [21:27:24] | ben: | well, yeah |
| [21:27:30] | ben: | but in the context |
| [21:27:45] | ben: | it's hardly likely that she's got the computer connected to a star, for instance |
| [21:27:48] | gardengnome: | i don't think LCDs have much burn-in |
| [21:28:00] | ben: | nor a flame, electro-sphere thingy, etc |
| [21:28:10] | Juski: | well, I started that dd some 8 hours ago... and it's still not done |
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| [21:28:16] | gardengnome: | darn, you're a worse smart-ass than me. |
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| [21:28:34] | ben: | gardengnome, manic curiosity |
| [21:28:36] | ben: | :P |
| [21:28:54] | Juski: | nah this thing is coming to work with me tomorrow to experience proper cloning |
| [21:28:55] | ** gardengnome curses $deity for inventing the british language (and the native speakers) and goes back to studying. ** | |
| [21:29:00] | ben: | such as the following, which I asked my physics teacher with no useful reply: |
| [21:29:11] | Juski: | $deity exists? dicuss :-P |
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| [21:31:07] | ben: | "why are the gas giants giant, why are they out there, what is their relationship with the position of the asteroid belt, why do they get smaller in size as they go out, and what's pluto doing out there on the edge? is pluto even a planet? and where does the iron in the earth's crust come from – specifically, what radioisotope decays into it, if uranium decays into lead and iron doesn't occur naturally in the crust after t |
| [21:31:07] | ben: | he Iron Disaster of year 1?" |
| [21:31:40] | ben: | sodding british education system |
| [21:32:21] | ben: | please don't attempt to answer any of those |
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| [21:34:40] | D-side: | howdy boys. |
| [21:35:59] | ben: | it's actually a 14-inch fan |
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| [22:03:20] | matr1x: | hey im having trouble compiling mythtv any ideas what the problem might be? http://pastebin.ca/64561 |
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| [22:09:49] | gardengnome: | matr1x: i'm not sure if mythtv 0.19 works properly with gcc 4.1. you'd better search gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ – maybe it's fixed in 0.19-fixes. |
| [22:10:18] | matr1x: | ok thanks |
| [22:12:08] | matr1x: | found it |
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| [22:16:30] | ben: | funny how all conversation stops when I leave |
| [22:18:02] | ** matr1x crosses his fingers ** | |
| [22:18:17] | matr1x: | ben. we both found what we are looking for |
| [22:18:41] | matr1x: | the two of us need search no more |
| [22:18:44] | ben: | matr1x, ? |
| [22:19:21] | matr1x: | being silly |
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| [22:19:30] | ben: | o |
| [22:19:32] | ben: | k.. |
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| [22:21:39] | fysatv: | Can you specify an ALSA: device to record audio from? I can't figure out the proper audio device for my /dev/video1 |
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| [22:23:49] | alieas007: | I recompiled myth and mythplugins from source. all went well, now I can't tune anything in, just a hung blank screen. also my fonts on the menus are gone.. |
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| [22:23:55] | alieas007: | I recompiled for xvmc |
| [22:26:53] | alieas007: | possible alsa / audio problem? |
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| [22:31:02] | alieas007: | mythfrontend reports "couldn't find base dialog" |
| [22:33:36] | alieas007: | Here is the mythfrontend log http://advancingnetworks.com/media/frontendlog_novideo.txt |
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| [22:37:15] | alieas007: | I can post a more verbrose error message if anyone can help (mythfrontend -v important,general,playback) |
| [22:37:44] | alieas007: | cpu is only 2% active during hang |
| [22:40:16] | mchou: | alieas007: are you using xvmc? |
| [22:41:33] | mchou: | and it also couldn't find your theme, 'abstractosd' |
| [22:41:50] | mchou: | alieas007: solve that and it will work :) |
| [22:42:37] | ben: | http://dev.shaunevans.co.uk/ben/wordpress/archive/159 |
| [22:43:18] | ben: | ben the inkscape artist, wewt |
| [22:43:41] | ben: | alieas007, sorry, can't help |
| [22:44:02] | ben: | mchou, they said they were compiling for xvmc |
| [22:44:53] | mchou: | ben: who said that? |
| [22:44:55] | alieas007: | VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed <--- seems to be the only other error the frontend is spitting out |
| [22:45:11] | mchou: | alieas007: nope. look down a few more lines |
| [22:45:12] | ben: | alieas007, |
| [22:45:27] | ben: | mchou, alieas007 said that |
| [22:45:34] | mchou: | ben: ok |
| [22:45:51] | mchou: | in any case, there are several things wrong |
| [22:46:00] | alieas007: | OSD theme? |
| [22:46:07] | alieas007: | hahah figures |
| [22:46:10] | mchou: | I'd fix the theme issue first |
| [22:46:21] | ben: | does anyone like my cartoon? |
| [22:46:23] | alieas007: | ok, what else is wrong ? |
| [22:46:44] | mchou: | osd theme and xvmc, that's pretty much it |
| [22:47:02] | mchou: | you need to make sure xvmc is installed correctly |
| [22:47:11] | mchou: | and that it works :) |
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| [22:48:10] | alieas007: | ok, the hardware is compatible so it should be fine (GF4-Ti4200). So compiling mythtv for xvmc alone does not do it – xvmc is a standalone that also needs to be installed? |
| [22:48:12] | mchou: | ben: I dunno, gates nose wouldnt be my first choice to exaggerate |
| [22:48:29] | ben: | I didn't draw that bit |
| [22:48:35] | ben: | mine are the window and the text |
| [22:48:40] | ben: | photo is CC |
| [22:49:33] | Zider: | coca cola? |
| [22:49:34] | mchou: | alieas007: GF4 ti does not have full support for xvmc..... |
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| [22:49:53] | ben: | zider, creative commons, dolt |
| [22:49:57] | alieas007: | I know not full but enough to help my amd 2400+ I hope |
| [22:50:13] | mchou: | alieas007: it only supports iDCT or motion compensation, forget which one, but not both |
| [22:50:21] | alieas007: | Its motion compensation |
| [22:50:36] | alieas007: | I'd like to be able to do benchmarks regardless |
| [22:50:38] | Zider: | ben: dunno what that is.. |
| [22:50:44] | alieas007: | just learning the system and learning more about it |
| [22:50:57] | Zider: | dunno what dolt is either.. only jolt.. :P |
| [22:51:06] | ben: | zider, creative commons is a set of permissive copyrights |
| [22:51:27] | Zider: | mkay |
| [22:51:36] | mchou: | alieas007:I think the truth is GF4Ti implementation of xvmc is borked anyways :) |
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| [22:51:44] | alieas007: | seriously |
| [22:51:55] | ben: | dolt = prat, muffin, gimp, gimboid, goit, berk |
| [22:52:02] | alieas007: | why are you smiling ? thats not funny |
| [22:52:10] | mchou: | alieas007: you probably wont be very pleaased w/ the display results |
| [22:52:18] | alieas007: | hmmmm |
| [22:52:26] | Zider: | ben: isn't muffin a kind of cake? |
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| [22:52:36] | ben: | zider, yep |
| [22:52:43] | ben: | but also means any of the above |
| [22:52:55] | Zider: | the only one I've heard of is gimp |
| [22:53:16] | mchou: | that's a graphical processing programin linux :) |
| [22:53:24] | Zider: | mchou: that too ;) |
| [22:54:25] | alieas007: | mchou: well without it should HD be choppy on a AMD 2400+ ? One QAM freq 2 channels both look fine, no chop, (cbs & abc), other freq (nbc & pbs) are all choppy. |
| [22:54:46] | mchou: | alieas007: doubtful |
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| [22:54:59] | alieas007: | the computer seems to be able to display the HDTV stream without a problem.. could the choppiness be from a dirty stream? |
| [22:55:03] | mchou: | alieas007: probably be choppy even with xvmc working |
| [22:55:13] | mchou: | alieas007: very possible |
| [22:55:24] | alieas007: | would my P4 3.06g drive it ok? |
| [22:55:43] | mchou: | alieas007: you can check your stream for errors..... |
| [22:55:58] | mchou: | alieas007: most likely |
| [22:56:14] | alieas007: | mchou: I think my QAM line might be dirty... dvbtraffic on the choppy channel shows much more weird activity |
| [22:56:23] | alieas007: | mchou: one more question |
| [22:56:54] | alieas007: | if I recompile mythtv again, withouth the --xvmc config option – will it return to a working state? |
| [22:57:21] | alieas007: | (then I'll get out of your hair). thanks for the help too |
| [22:57:52] | mchou: | I think it will work even if you dont recompile (if xvmc is not installed correctly), you can disable it's use in setup |
| [22:58:38] | mchou: | it will just do display the normal SW "way." |
| [22:59:21] | alieas007: | no didn't work for me |
| [22:59:47] | metalac: | hmm for some reason my OSD is black and white |
| [22:59:53] | metalac: | any clue what's up? |
| [23:00:14] | mchou: | metalac: that's normal ifyou use xvmc |
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| [23:00:22] | metalac: | really? |
| [23:00:32] | mchou: | metalac: yup |
| [23:00:33] | metalac: | i used xvmc earlier and it looked like that |
| [23:00:38] | metalac: | any way to go around it |
| [23:00:50] | mchou: | metalac: there are workarounds |
| [23:01:09] | mchou: | you have to make some entries in the DB, iirc |
| [23:01:31] | metalac: | oh |
| [23:02:38] | mchou: | open gl alphblending would be sweet if it works on myth..... |
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| [23:04:50] | metalac: | damn |
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| [23:04:59] | metalac: | apparently it only works with geforce 5 and 4 |
| [23:05:02] | metalac: | i got 6 |
| [23:05:25] | mchou: | metalac: what are you talking about? |
| [23:06:06] | metalac: | the workaround you talked about |
| [23:06:14] | metalac: | works only with 4 and 5 series geforce |
| [23:06:37] | mchou: | it only works on 4/5 cause there is no overlay in 6 :) |
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| [23:07:22] | metalac: | so i have to live with grayscale OSD? |
| [23:07:33] | mchou: | why nvidia decided to get rid of overlay in 6 is a bit beyond me. |
| [23:08:07] | mchou: | metalac: no, jou can choosenot to use xvmc and get back the OSD in color :) |
| [23:08:24] | mchou: | s/jou/you |
| [23:08:25] | metalac: | pfftt |
| [23:08:27] | metalac: | you're funny |
| [23:09:06] | mchou: | metalac: just pointing out the options :) |
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| [23:10:23] | metalac: | hopefully it gets fixed in 0.20 or something |
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| [23:11:20] | mchou: | metalac: you dont overcome a HW issue in SW that easily :) |
| [23:12:00] | mchou: | I doubt any of the devs are going spend much time on a workaround for a HW issue |
| [23:14:23] | ben: | gtg, bye |
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| [23:15:09] | metalac: | well i can always hope that new version of GeForce cards will have overlay too i guess |
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| [23:29:47] | metalac: | for some reason i can't play a dvd now |
| [23:29:52] | metalac: | device is setup correctly |
| [23:30:23] | metalac: | just nothing happens when i clikc on "play dvd" |
| [23:32:47] | metalac: | i changed it to internal now but all that does is gives me a brief black screen and back to the menu again |
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| [23:46:51] | metalac: | anyone knows how to get DVD to play right? |
| [23:47:15] | Zider: | define "right" |
| [23:47:51] | metalac: | just play the DVD |
| [23:48:28] | metalac: | right now i get a quick black screen and then it's back to that Optical Devices menu |
| [23:48:48] | Zider: | do you have the player program installed that mythtv is set to use? |
| [23:48:58] | metalac: | i have it set to internal |
| [23:49:08] | Zider: | ah, never tried that one.. |
| [23:49:14] | metalac: | it was set to mplayer by default, and mplayer is installed |
| [23:49:21] | metalac: | when mplayer was set i got nothing |
| [23:49:31] | metalac: | not even that brief black window |
| [23:49:35] | Zider: | mkay.. I'm using xine and it works nicely.. |
| [23:50:09] | metalac: | what's the command for "player command" ?? |
| [23:50:34] | Zider: | holdon, I'll check what I've got |
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| [23:52:08] | Zider: | xine -pfhq -r 4:3 -s dvd |
| [23:52:33] | metalac: | where do you set the device? |
| [23:53:19] | Zider: | media settings -> dvd settings -> general settings |
| [23:53:28] | metalac: | ok cool |
| [23:53:35] | metalac: | will install xine and see what's up |
| [23:53:55] | Zider: | yeah do that |
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