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Friday, June 9th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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ben_:

most of the bits are thankfully already available from my current one which is going to become the server – and therefore has no need of its hard disc, graphics card, firewire cards, dvd writer etc

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ben_:

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ben_:

hopefully I'll get a couple of customers on the myth boxes

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ben_:

I like the thought of a wealthy family ordering one, and then ordering five more for their other televisions

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DrNickRiviera:

yeah, that's when the backend becomes really useful

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ben_:

indeed

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ben_:

I'm trying to imagine a scenario to get it as cheap as possible.. probably remove all nonessential parts from the existing one, sticking them in the server, and then buying the standard frontends

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mchou:

ben, why would a wealthy family want one? They'd just pay for HDTivo or whatever

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ben_:

mchou, no tivo here :)

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mchou:

only cheapskates build their own PVRs :)

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ben_:

tivo isn't available in the UK

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mchou:

ben_: where is this? You saying there are no commercial PVRs whatever??

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DrNickRiviera:

mchou: or people who want a lot of functionality and flexibility

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mchou:

DrNickRiviera: rich ppl would just buy ots equip for that

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ben_:

mchou, we get something called Sky+ which is digital satellite with a PVR, but that costs a whole lot and not everyone wants satellite television — or are allowed to have a dish because their expensive home is listed

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ben_:

*not allowed

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mchou:

ben_: listed??

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ben_:

yes

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mchou:

like a historical register?

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ben_:

sort of

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ben_:

they're graded buildings of historical interest

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mchou:

ben_: ok

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mchou:

ben_: do those ppl even watch tv? :)

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mchou:

I mean if they dont have sat, they must get TV some other way, correct?

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ben_:

my house is grade 3 listed, and the post office up the street is grade two — neither of them can be knocked down, we aren't allowed satellite dishes on the front of the houses, and the post office is disallowed from installing uPVC rear windows because they don't come from the eighteenth century like the rest of the street

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armand:

mythtv boxes are not cheap

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armand:

didnt xris try to do something like this

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ben_:

mchou, yes, digital terrestrial gives us about 40 channels for free

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armand:

putting together a type of set-top ready made myth box

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mchou:

mythtv boxes are getting cheaper :)

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ben_:

yes

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ben_:

they are

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armand:

but noones going to watch sdtv these days

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mchou:

armand: who said anything about SDTV?

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armand:

so refactor your costs for hd capability and see what happens

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mchou:

if anything HD is cheaper

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armand:

you said cheap, so i assumed heh

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ben_:

armand, everyone watches sdtv, because nobody has an hdtvable television and nobody broadcasts in hdtv yet, even in digital

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armand:

how do you figure?

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mchou:

no need for encoder HW

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armand:

ben: do you live in a 3rd world country?

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ben_:

well, we have two HD channels on paid-extra-for satellite, and HD tellys are only just on sale

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ben_:

armand, nope, the united kingdom

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armand:

oh.. close

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armand:

:PP

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ben_:

true

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armand:

we have lots of hd channels here in the usa

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ben_:

good for you.

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ben_:

anyway, returning to my original point:

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DrNickRiviera:

europe is a bit behind with the whole hd hype

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armand:

i think all the big broadcast are hd now, nbc/cbs/et all

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DrNickRiviera:

is just one of the differences, goes both ways though, just with other things ;)

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ben_:

digital terrestrial tv gives us 40 free channels

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armand:

good luck with your venture

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armand:

someone in here tried it and it was just wasnt feasible

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armand:

and that wasnt all that long ago

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armand:

they actually took it pretty far from the conversations i saw and the links i saw

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armand:

heh

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ben_:

I believe there will be a market for people who want a PVR but not to pay Â£40 monthly for Sky+

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mchou:

like I said, only cheapskates build their own PVRs :)

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ben_:

mchou, they don't need to build their own, they've got me

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ben_:

:P

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DrNickRiviera:

i think there was something on slashdot a while ago

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DrNickRiviera:

not sure in what context, but they seemed to be doing fairly well

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mchou:

ben_: no, I mean they are not going to use anything resembing a "traditional" PC

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dev:

what do you mean cheapskates build their own pvrs

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dev:

my setup at home is well over 2000$ in total

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dev:

just for mythtv

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ben_:

mchou, I don't think this is traditional looking, do you?

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mchou:

dev: so??

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kormoc:

my first myth setup cost me about $22

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pickler:

ben_: what part of the country are you in?

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dev:

kormoc: my first, which i guess is what ben would want to be doing, was around 500$

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: Hehe, my first was $0 since I already had all ofthe hardware

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ben_:

pickler, cornwall

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dev:

mobo/cpu/memory/micro-atx/1 pvr250, 300gig sata seagate

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dev:

but thats just not enough :)

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GreyFoxx:

I last couple frontends cost $9 (msntv's off ebay)

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kormoc:

nice

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pickler:

ben_: heh, good the competition is somewhere else in the country lol

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GreyFoxx:

but they weren't really usable until yesterday

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xris:

my first / current cost me $500 3 years ago. I've probably put another $200–300 into it since then (and retired old parts)

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ben_:

the first region to have our UHF turned off, and the last to get 100% DVB-T coverage

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dev:

out of that 2000$, its my masterbackend that cost 1700$ :)

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mchou:

dev: you got ripped if they charged you $2k for that

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dev:

mchou: heh, read up

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dev:

my masterbackend was 1700$, dual xeon 2.8ghz adaptec hardware raid5 4x300gig sata2

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ben_:

mchou, http://linitx.com/product_info.php?products_id=542

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GreyFoxx:

uhhh

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GreyFoxx:

dual cpu xeon? Seriously ... why ?

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Sedorox:

thats not a bad price for that tho

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: cause some ppl got no sense

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dev:

i wanted 5 commflag jobs simultaneously, mysthsreamtv to work while tv is viewed at home, and possible transcoding going on apt the same time

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ben_:

mchou, exactly

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dev:

therefore, dual cpu required

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ben_:

mchou, that case doesn't really resemble the average beige box (now black box)

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dev:

i have 4 tuners here that could be in use at the same time, and looking at putting in a 5th

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mchou:

ben_: no, my point stands. The small fans are way too loud

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mchou:

dev: lol

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ben_:

mchou, oh

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mchou:

dev: I have 5 tuners in mine, not counting firewire

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DrNickRiviera:

i would definitely go with something that has more of the hifi look for the frontend

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DrNickRiviera:

costs more, but just looks much better

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dev:

every tv in my house has a frontend on it, 2 of the tvs have a combo frontend/backend

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DrNickRiviera:

and easier to silence

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mchou:

dev: and mine wasnt ove $200

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ben_:

I'm going to have 2, later upgrading to 3 if I want, but I'm not a heavy telly watcher, and 40 channels is limiting

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mchou:

over*

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dev:

mchou: im sure your setup is nothing like mine :)

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GreyFoxx:

dev: Every TV here has a frontend to. Though none of them have slavebackends on them

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mchou:

dev: no, and I'm proud of that, cause yours sound ridiculously senseless

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ben_:

I'm looking to spend a little over $1200

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ben_:

unfortunately that also has to include the RAM, processor and mobo of a new desktop

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ben_:

I hope it's doable.

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GreyFoxx:

4 frontends, 1 master backend+frontend, 1 slave backend, 1 dev slave backend whenever I have it on

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dev:

3 backends, the dual xeon is the masterbackend, no tuners, sits in the computer room. all transcoding/commflagging happens on it. my 3 tvs each have a frontend, one is epia 10k, the other 2 are xp3200's, 2 tuners in each of the xp3200's. shared storage over nfs to the dual xeon (raid5 sata2 837gig useable). a laptop which is a frontend over 802.11g, and a desktop which is also a frontend

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dev:

i also watch tv at work useing mythstreamtv (which is quite cpu intensive incase youve never used it)

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ben_:

how processor-intensive is advert detection? I hope it won't be too much for my A-XP 2400+ even with no encoding

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GreyFoxx:

I never really found vlc to be that cpu intensive (I also stream it to the office)

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GreyFoxx:

and mythstreamtv is just as webfrontend to vlc

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dev:

GreyFoxx: on my xp3200, vlc uses 95% cpu

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GreyFoxx:

wow

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ben_:

yay for VideoLAN

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dev:

since i just put the dual xeon in place, i havent tested vlc out on it

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GreyFoxx:

It uses like 30% on my xp2500 at most

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ben_:

how processor-intensive is advert detection? I hope it won't be too much for my A-XP 2400+ even with no encoding

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dev:

my recordings are 2.4gig an hour, and i transcode to divx, forget the settings exactly, but they just max out my cables upstream (1mbit)

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dev:

ben_: its not very, its disk io

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mchou:

ben_: long time ago I had 850Mhz as back end. commflag was almost concurrent for 1 hr. show

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ben_:

dev, ok... will ATA cope?

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dev:

my xp3200's could do 2 commflags at a time each, but it was so much disk io that frontends would get annoyed deleting stuff at he same time, or modifying recordings, anything disk io

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mchou:

meaning 5 minutes after recording commflag was done

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ben_:

mchou, good

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dev:

hence the upgrade to hardware raid5 sata2

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GreyFoxx:

dev: The settings I use work out to around 20–30K persec forthe stream. looks good enough for my uses.

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GreyFoxx:

I use vlc for streaming "shows" the office as well as livetv

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ben_:

thankfully many of the english tv channels don't carry adverts

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dev:

same

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GreyFoxx:

or at least I did before I installed the mythbox in the office

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dev:

dunno how you have your cpu usage so low :)

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GreyFoxx:

now I just stream directly from there

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dev:

must have worked voodoo magic on it

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ben_:

yay for tv licensing

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GreyFoxx:

dev: heh

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** GreyFoxx just replaced the frontend in the bedroom with the msntv. the missus is pleased by the silence :) **

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ben_:

msntv??

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Sedorox:

think: webtv

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GreyFoxx:

yup. hacked to run linux of course

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Sedorox:

hacked

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Sedorox:

:p

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ben_:

oh god..

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GreyFoxx:

basically same guts as an xbox

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dev:

yeah my fiance was quite happy when i replaced the psu and fans on the box in the bedroom

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GreyFoxx:

but no cpu fan or harddrive

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ben_:

I thought those things were all burned in the great revolution of 2003

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Sedorox:

ahahah

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ben_:

i.e. DSL

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dev:

now its got an antec silent psu and 2 120mm fans, one on the cpu one as exhaust. its damn near silent unless you're right up next to it

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ben_:

hmm

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Sedorox:

ben_: this is the new model.. with built in ethernet and other x86 parts

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ben_:

ah

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dev:

but yeah, im addicted to mythtv

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dev:

been useing it for 1.5years

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Sedorox:

like GreyFoxx said.. its a xbox... more or less.. which is.. more or less.. a PC

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ben_:

I may get a case with larger fans if it won't burn my cash card too much

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ben_:

anyone here using 0.19?

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dev:

started with a little settop box because i didnt want to spend 250$ for a tivo then 250$ for a 'lifetime' subscription

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GreyFoxx:

USB 2, 10/100 NIC, tv out, 733MHZ cpu, 128Meg of ram (twice the xbox) etc

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Sedorox:

they did get usb2 working?

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dev:

so i spent 500$ on a standalone and it was great... but mythtv is a slippery slope. once you start off you want more and more and more :)

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GreyFoxx:

Sedorox: IT's worked from the beginning

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dev:

ben_: i use 0.19

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Sedorox:

ahh ok, I remember there being talk.. but never heard it actually confirmed

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GreyFoxx:

The person who first tried just didn;t have his kernel compiled to suppoirt it

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Sedorox:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

Though all Ihave on the cf card is the kernel and I NFS root the thing

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dev:

GreyFoxx: does it run xvmc?

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GreyFoxx:

dev: the driver supports it, but I haven't tried

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mchou:

dev: isn't that defition of "cheapskate??" <dev> started with a little settop box because i didnt want to spend 250$ for a tivo then 250$ for a 'lifetime' subscription

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ben_:

dev, according to Linux Format it's a good deal slower than 0.18 and channel changing is noticably sluggish.. is this false, or does this not matter because everyone with a myth watches recorded stuff anyway?

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mchou:

definition*

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GreyFoxx:

dev: IT uses an intel i830 gpu instead of the nvidia

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ben_:

mchou, picky picky...

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dev:

mchou: no, thats the definition of "not wanting to be locked into proprietary crap"

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dev:

mchou: if you look at hte numbers i spent the exact same amount of money

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dev:

grefoxx: ah.. because i require hd playback..

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mchou:

dev: if you were rich you wouldnt have cared

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mchou:

dev: about lock in.

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dev:

mchou: not to brag, but im not poor.

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dev:

i wanted to expandability and flexability

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dev:

thats why i went with myth over tivo

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dev:

not because im 'cheap'

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mchou:

dev: relative to what?

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GreyFoxx:

dev: I just cracked the TV out + Accelerated video yesterday, haven't looked at HDTV

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ben_:

dev, did you see the microsoft eula for their new open Office format? there's a bit in it which says "if you need our file format to perpetuate our vendor lock-in, we won't sue you. otherwise, no guarantees."

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dev:

mchou: relative to tivo? you think tivo is opensource or something?

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mchou:

dev: cheapskate does not necessarily imply poor.

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ben_:

heh

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dev:

mchou: thats fine, but saying people use myth over tivo because they're "cheapskates" is definitely the wrong idea

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ben_:

tivo is about an open-source as SCONIX for all we know

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mchou:

dev: no, read up. [17:50:09] <mchou> dev: if you were rich you wouldnt have cared

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mchou:

[17:50:22] <mchou> dev: about lock in.

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dev:

not true at all

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dev:

why would i want only 80hrs of recorded tv

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dev:

i can record 500 now

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ben_:

yay.

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dev:

even rich people care about being locked into something thats inflexible

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mchou:

dev: if you dont have time to watch 500 hrs of backlogged recordings you never will

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dev:

GreyFoxx: id love to know if xvmc works on that frontend

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Dagmar:

FFS if I'd wanted to do this cheaply I'd have just bought a ReplayTV unit

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dev:

myth is definitely not cheap for a good setup

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dev:

mchou: not true again... say if you go on vacation for a month

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dev:

i dont want to miss my shows

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dev:

i'll come back and watch them and catch up eventually

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ben_:

mchou, besides..

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mchou:

Dagmar: yeah, but you didnt know that b4 you embarked down the myth path

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ben_:

where's the slideshow, music, dvd, web configuration, games, web browser, advert removal etc in tivo?

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mchou:

dev: one month of vacation comes nowhere cose to 300 hrs of TV

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mchou:

dev: one month of vacation comes nowhere close to 500 hrs of TV*

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dev:

mchou: ahhh.. i see you either live at home or are single

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dev:

mchou: wait until you have a fiance

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dev:

or a wife

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dev:

but youre right, it better not come close to 500hrs of tv, thats why i have that much space

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dev:

i dont WANT to run out :)

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ben_:

dev's right

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mchou:

dev: I wouldnt marry someone that watched so much TV

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ben_:

parkinson's law of hard discs:

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ben_:

you will always fill 60% of available hard disc space, and have no trouble not exceeding that

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Dagmar:

Data hoarded will expand to consume all available disk space

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dev:

mchou: its not about 'watching so much tv' its about being interested in a series or something, and you just hit "record at anytime on this channel" because, well, you can.. and there you are. bam. alot of space used all of a sudden

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mchou:

dev: huh??

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ben_:

dev, those are available in tivo also

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dev:

the problem actually arises when you dont have a big storage area, and you get in the "OMG I HAVE TO WATCH IT BECAUSE IM RUNNING OUT OF SPACE"

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dev:

mentallituy

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dev:

ben_: yup, season passes

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dev:

im just illustrating where the diskspace gets used

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mchou:

dev: pvrs are supposed to avoid recording repeats

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ben_:

dev, correction. SeasonPass&trade

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dev:

mchou: what does repeats have to do with this. im talking about a series.

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** ben_ rolls eyes at tivo **

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mchou:

dev: so??

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dev:

...

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dev:

oookkk

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dev:

heh

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mchou:

you go on vacation for one month that's at most 5 epis in one series

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dev:

thats one series

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dev:

use myth for 1.5years

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mchou:

5 hrs mx

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dev:

see how many shows you have recording

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mchou:

max

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mchou:

dev: lol

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ben_:

I'd personally use up 500 hours in a few months

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mchou:

I've been using myth for about 5yrs

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dev:

"ooh.. prison break." well, that ran for more than one season. then 'ooh, deadliest catch.' that ran for more than one season

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mchou:

never have I come close to 500 hrs

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dev:

now all of a sudden you have 2 series recording at the same time

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dev:

5 years?

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** dev 's bullshit meter goes off the scale **

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mchou:

dev: I dont care if you record 10 series in a month.

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mchou:

that's only 50 hrs, not 500

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ben_:

myth hasn't existed for five years

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DrNickRiviera:

does it really matter?

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dev:

someones been hitting the pipe obviously

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mchou:

ben_: maybe not to you

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GreyFoxx:

500 hours... 24hours a day for 20 days... that'sa lot of TV :)

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DrNickRiviera:

i'm sure everyone's setup is perfect for their needs

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DrNickRiviera:

and that's all that really counts

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dev:

GreyFoxx: *alot* of tv, and hopefully i will never hit that :)

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: bingo! my point exactly

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ben_:

DrNickRiviera, well yeah.. it wasn't usable until three years ago, so mchou must be exaggerating quite a bit

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dev:

once i switch over to pure HD the amount of available recording hours will drop drastically heh

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dev:

7gig/hr ouch

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ben_:

hmm

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ben_:

that's a point

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mchou:

ben_: usable??

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kormoc:

Total Time: 84 days 4 hrs 22 mins wasted

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ben_:

mchou, yes, with features

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ben_:

usable as in firefox, rather than pheonix

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mchou:

dev: I'm already have 3 HD tuner sources as of 1.5 yrs ago

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GreyFoxx:

Kor hehet that looks familiar

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ben_:

thanks for the PM, dagmar

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kormoc:

Friday July 1st, 2005 to today, 2020 hours, 22 min recorded

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ben_:

I can't reply, but I'll say the following: I concur

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dev:

mchou: cool! get a girlfriend and see what happens to your disk space

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mchou:

dev: and my system is still less than $200

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dev:

mchou: whats the specs?

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mchou:

dev: lol. I have a g/f.

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Dagmar:

heh

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mchou:

she watches less tv than I do

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dev:

still in school?

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** ben_ is future-proofing his system... pure digital **

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ben_:

dev, would there be something wrong with that?

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ben_:

I am still in school.

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mchou:

dev: lol. long out of (grad) school

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dev:

116 programs, using 202 GB (87 hrs 27 mins) out of 838 GB (608 GB free).

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** ben_ bristles **

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dev:

its not like we're tv junkies

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dev:

its just 'room'

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kormoc:

mythweb has a historic stats if you run svn

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kormoc:

it's amusingly sad most of the time

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dev:

kormoc: hah nice

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mchou:

dev: nobody needs 500 hrs worth of HDD space unless you're a "collector"

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dev:

that where the days wasted thing you pasted came from?

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kormoc:

aye

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dev:

nice

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kormoc:

also has the top X shows recorded, the top X channels recorded from, how many shows, how many epsodes

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dev:

mchou: such a sweeping statement while knowing nothing about me :) you must have ESP

[01:05:24]

kormoc:

nifty stuff like that

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mchou:

dev: I reconize a pack rat when I see one

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kormoc:

but it all boils down to, I watch a ton of tv

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mchou:

recognize*

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ben_:

*recognise

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dev:

then you cant recognize shit lol

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dev:

because i dont save anything

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dev:

recognise :P

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ben_:

mchou, I'd find it difficult to delete much

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ben_:

I hoard data for no reason :)

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dev:

the only things i save for history/tlc/dsc documentaries, and those i burn to dvd almost immediately after lossless transcoding with cutlists if i want to save them

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ben_:

like **delves into ~**

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dev:

s/for/ar

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dev:

e

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mchou:

dev: so tell us again how you need 500 hrs worth of space

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ben_:

this pokemon clone I was making in python a month ago.. haven't deleted it

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dev:

mchou: scroll up, as ive said a fucking billion times, for ROOM

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mchou:

ROOM for what??

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ben_:

mchou, Parkinson's Law

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ben_:

again

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ben_:

~65% of space is always filled, never more

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dev:

mchou: how about, because i can

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dev:

because ican go buy a hardware raid5 sata2 adaptec card and a bunch of sata2 drives for space

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dev:

*shrug* why not?

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Sedorox:

I'd go through that space quickly.. since I wanna rip every dvd we have.. so my brother can stop destroying the discs (sad part is.. he's 19)

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ben_:

it gives a nice airy feel to a partition

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mchou:

dev: you're making SO much sense. NOT!

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dev:

id build a huge pata array for ridding dvds

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ben_:

sedrocx, my dad's worse :)

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Sedorox:

hehe

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ben_:

mchou, you're not trolling irritatingly. NOT!

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dev:

mchou: :)

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Sedorox:

mchou: btw... according to cisco's docs.. once a switch reach 50% traffice throughput.. you should add more switches.. do people do that? no...

[01:09:04]

ben_:

maybe it's the exams, but /me is becoming annoyed

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Sedorox:

lol

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mchou:

ben_: if you have more than 100 hrs recorded, there is no way you ever going to find time to whatch more than that.

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mchou:

watch*

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dev:

its not like the same shows record everyday you iknow

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dev:

you will eventually catch up

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ben_:

sedrox, yes.. of course they do that. of course, that's that very special type of person that also backs up all data before installing firefox, and defragments monthly

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dev:

at your own speed, when you feel like it

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mchou:

dev: lol

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ben_:

(windows)

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Sedorox:

lol

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Sedorox:

you mean updating firefox? :p

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dev:

who else is recording all of the Le Mans weekend after next on SPEED?

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ben_:

sedorox, I said windows... these people don't know what "in date" means.

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Sedorox:

lol

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ben_:

they know what update means, but they think it's a noun

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ben_:

"this update #84389734 patches hole #498274342 introduced by update #84389733"

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ben_:

then underneath in the list

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Sedorox:

and the list goes on in that order.. repeating

[01:12:34]

ben_:

yeah

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ben_:

heheh

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ben_:

I miss windows, linux is so boring

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Sedorox:

lol

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ben_:

whenever I got bored with windows 98 (I was eight years old at the time) I'd pull out the defragmenter, switch to details mode, and watch the clusters being reordered

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dev:

i remember that

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ben_:

it actually represented each cluster as a 6x10 pixel square, it was cool

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dev:

used to get pissed that the unmoveable blocks were right in the center of the drive

[01:14:22]

dev:

"why arent they in the beginning?!?@!"

[01:14:23]

dev:

hehe

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ben_:

when it got to gaps, I'd try to keep my mouse cursor in the gap for as long as possible before it was filled...

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** ben_ reemphasises... he was eight **

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dev:

i feel old ;p

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ben_:

of course, now, I pull out Spybot and try to guess when it's found something, there's a tiny pause

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dev:

i remember dos 6.2 and my 2400baud modem heh

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mocker:

Anyone know of SVN RPMs for FC3?

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ben_:

mocker, uh..

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ben_:

sudo yum install subversion ?

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mocker:

Er, FC4

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Sedorox:

I remember dos 5

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Sedorox:

:p

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ben_:

dev, my first connection was 56k

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** kormoc remembers his vic 20 **

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mocker:

ben_: No no, SVN MythTV RPMs. :)

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ben_:

oh..

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ben_:

whoops

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ben_:

not for fc3, I don't think

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kormoc:

http://oldcomputers.net/vic20.html

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ben_:

anything wrong with compiling from svn like normal people?

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ben_:

kormoc, I had a BBC B

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dev:

Sedorox: nice.. my first computer was my moms 386 sx 11mhz i think it was, with 1meg of ram, 2400baud, and it was dos4 i think when we first got it. but *i* didnt get into computers until we upgraded it to dos 6.2

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dev:

thats why i said i started with that ;)

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ben_:

dev, lucky arse

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dev:

my cousin gave me an apple ][+ a little bit before it

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dev:

but i didnt do much except program basic

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ben_:

I grew up with windows 95 minimum

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dev:

hehe

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mocker:

ben_: On package based systems I like to stick with packages.

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mocker:

Just trying to avoid rolling my own if I can.

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Sedorox:

lol

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ben_:

mocker, sorry then

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kormoc:

I forgot that vic 20 was 1 mhz, so fast

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Sedorox:

mine was my dad's machine.. 386 33mhz...

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Sedorox:

mfm hdd

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ben_:

upgrade to fc5? it has some lovely new bugs

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dev:

wow kormoc

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mocker:

heh

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Sedorox:

someone gave me win 3.1.. then I nabbed 95 from someone else...

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ben_:

I wish I'd been five years older, and had to survive the 33k-protocol-wars, and learn about BBSes, and used CLIs before I was 14

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Sedorox:

ahaha.. 95 on 33mhz...

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Sedorox:

ooo that was painful

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ben_:

sedorox, ouch

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ben_:

my first computer was a P75 with W95 and 4mb of sdram

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dev:

i had windows95 on my pentium overdrive 60mhz

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dev:

speed++!

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dev:

hehe

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ben_:

dev, yay for bloated GUIs

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ben_:

I miss my beeb

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dev:

before that it was a 486dx2 66mhz with dos

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Sedorox:

lol

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dev:

but i got the pentium overdrive cpu rofl...

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ben_:

I'm still better at BBC BASIC than at python, disgustingly

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dev:

amazing we went from 11mhz pc's to 3400mhz heh

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ben_:

actually I'm pretty abysmal at both, but more abysmal at python

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ben_:

dev, I remember that we went from 75mhz to 500 between 1996 and 2000, and then from 500mhz to 1.5ghz by 2002, and then 3ghz by 2004, and then 3.6ghz in 2004, and then 3.6ghz in 2006....

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dev:

now its dual-dualcore cpus heh

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ben_:

yup.

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ben_:

I read some old Personal Computer World columns

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ben_:

one of them said that with the law of doubling computer speed, (in 1999) he predicted that in 2010 we'd have to work out how to effectively harness the power of ~30 simultaneous processort

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ben_:

I'd like to give beagled a processor to itself, but that's a bit excessive, really

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kormoc:

dev, what about sun's niagara, 8 cores per cpu, and upto 4 cpus per computer.

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dev:

sun's got some crazy stuff

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ben_:

sun are wierd

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dev:

like those e10k's

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dev:

refridgerator computers

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dev:

with how many cpus in those things, like 256 or somethjing

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ben_:

I don't like what they're doing with openoffice's licensing

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kormoc:

well, even better each core can run 4 theads at once (4 way hyper-threading)

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** ben_ cries over his A-Xp 2400+ **

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kormoc:

so those 32 cores show up as 128 processors

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ben_:

it doesn't even have SSE3, dammit.

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dev:

mmmm

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ben_:

so no Mac OSX until I get my myth system

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ben_:

oh, bye kormoc

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ben_:

nice of him to say bye, wasn't it

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** ben_ yawns **

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ben_:

no exams tomorrow, but I probably shouldn't stay up too much longer

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ben_:

len("544170011191C")

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ben_:

oh damn

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ben_:

wrong window :)

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dev:

he'll be back

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dev:

hehe

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Sedorox:

lol

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ben_:

that's my name at the moment

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Sedorox:

I still need to setup myth.. but it doesn't help that I don't have a tuner available

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ben_:

sedorox.. makes it difficult

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Sedorox:

hehe, yea

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Sedorox:

anyone use myth with Dishtv?

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ben_:

I'm having trouble using it without, to be honest

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tw-nym:

I'm trying to use mythtv with bttv/bt878 and I get errors like "ReadString List timeout" "WriteStringList: Bad socket". When I google for it, I get a lot of stuff about ivtv but that's it.

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ben_:

but that's because I've not got mythbackend installed, so meh

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tw-nym:

Is this a config issue?

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ben_:

tw-nym, almost certainly

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tw-nym:

What part should I even be looking at?

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ben_:

no idea

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ben_:

sorry

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tw-nym:

heh, thanks though

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ben_:

most likely something involving the CLI, kernel recompilation and obscure text-based config files

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dev:

tw-nym: i dont use that card, but one thing you could checkout is dmesg when you try to load the ivtv driver, see if you have any errors

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Sedorox:

ben_: yea.. I'm thinking about getting it up and using it for music/videos I have saved.. but eh...

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tw-nym:

It's my understanding that ivtv is for hauppage pvr series, not cards based on the older bt8xx chip.

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tw-nym:

It's weird because it starts just fine and works until I try to change the channel. Then it fails.

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_nero_:

anyone know if there are plans to add transcoding to mythweb?

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tw-nym:

Nevermind. I don't change anything and suddenly all problems become unreproducable.

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dev:

i had problems changing the channel on my pvr250's with ivtv 0.4.5

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dev:

downgraded to 0.4.2 and everything worked fine

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eidolon:

okay, vga feed is working. monitor is trying its durndest to find a good sync rate. but it isshowing a full screen image :)

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eidolon:

HAH. and i have a mythtv screen. full size too.

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eidolon:

eggzellent.

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eidolon:

that was too easy

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dev:

you need a <sinister_laughter> tag after that hehe

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eidolon:

MOOHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAH!

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dev:

looks like myth is working for well for me on this new backend

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eidolon:

next test will be xine.

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eidolon:

if i can run full 16:9.

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dev:

that box i was talking about earlier, just put it in place yesterday. had some issues this morning that turned out to be zap2it :((

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eidolon:

the mythtv menus are showing up perfectly – full screen and all.

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eidolon:

needs a little tuning. fonts are too small on the big screennow.

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eidolon:

hm.

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eidolon:

course. can't do something in 16:9 if the original recording... isn't in widescreen

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** eidolon mehs. **

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eidolon:

huh. i can see interlacing...

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eidolon:

course, i'm running this machinea bout as fast as it can go... xine + mythtv :)

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eidolon:

dbs@deathstar:~$ uptime

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eidolon:

22:06:10 up 23 min, 2 users, load average: 1.87, 1.04, 0.66

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Sedorox:

internet go broke

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Sedorox:

say.. anyone here thats alive.. happen to use gentoo and a kernel patchset not in portage?

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kormoc:

why?

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Sedorox:

wondering if there is a way to have a kernel in portage to satisify (sp) dependancies.. but not have gentoo-sources emerge like every other week

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kormoc:

sure

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Sedorox:

didn't know if anyone knew off hand.. hehe

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Sedorox:

happen to know the package name would be?

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tw-nym:

package.provided?

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Sedorox:

hmm

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kormoc:

they changed the way a bit ago, looking it up

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Sedorox:

kk

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Sedorox:

I thought I heard a way of doing it.. but its been a while since I saw it..

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kormoc:

yeah, tw-nym was right

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kormoc:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handboo . . . =5#doc_chap3

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Sedorox:

so like... make up a name for it? like sys-kernel/myownkernel-sources-2.6.16?

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kormoc:

nah

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kormoc:

just toss in vanilla-sources-version

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kormoc:

it's close enough

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Sedorox:

kk

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Sedorox:

thanks :)

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kormoc:

you're welcome

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kormoc:

of course, you could roll your own ebuild as well :)

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Sedorox:

well yea...

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Sedorox:

actually the sources I am using, use a ebuild...

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Sedorox:

beyond-dec

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Sedorox:

dev*

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Sedorox:

:p

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kormoc:

heh, so then they should provide the virtual/kernel

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Sedorox:

hmm

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Sedorox:

I don't think so.. I'll have to look

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Jim__:

My mythtv is not very good at expiring things, i keep running out of disk space

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eidolon:

hmm. xine is exiting silently on this dvd.

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eidolon:

i hit play, it goes to black screen, then back to the front end menu.

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eidolon:

hm. nothing will play

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** eidolon reboots. **

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... I just joined the development channel by accident... OOps, now I'm in the right channel...

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Sedorox:

nope.. this is the channel for the insane mythtv users

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Sedorox:

if you want the sane users....

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** Sedorox shuts up before he gets himself in trouble **

[03:13:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

As I accidentially said on the other channel... It's a sad day for me... I came home to find my backend system HDD had failed...

[03:13:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

I had been meaning to setup that daily backup for the last couple of months, but hadn't gotten arount to it yet. Oh well, at least my recordings are still intact so I can transfer them to DVD's or such... (on a seperate LVM volume)

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eidolon:

didn't clear it :(

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sedorox: Yeah, I was thinking that '#mythtv' was the user channel and there was a "-dev" channel for development, but I had it backwards... (I'm on my M$ box due to the above...)

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Sedorox:

J-e-f-f-A: for every other project.. you would be right :p

[03:16:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

Sedorox: I have my backend autologin... but since it's down :-( — I'm connecting from 'the dark side' right now... :-(

[03:16:15]

Sedorox:

lol

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Sedorox:

I still have to set mine up... but thats one thing I'm worried about.. hdd failing

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J-e-f-f-A:

Well, it's not 100% total loss... All of my recordings are on an LVM volume, so I've at least got the 'raw' mpg video files.

[03:17:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

It's just that I'm going to have to re-build the system from scratch again for the OS, Myth, etc... And I had it running so perfectly before! ARRRGGGHHH!!!!

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Sedorox:

hehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sedorox: I have a Network file server (A hacked Linksys NFS2) that I had intended to install a 300GB drive on to do nightly backups from my Myth backend to, but didn't do it yet. I'm kicking myself now. (They say 'Hindsight is 20/20')

[03:22:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Sedorox: (that should read "Linksys NSLU2")

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Sedorox:

yup.. hehe..

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Sedorox:

I'm gonna be kicking myself soon if I don't fix my backup situation *knocks on wood*

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah... I used to *try* to backup to tape, but since hdd capacity has far exceeded tape capacity, that's not viable anymore...

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Sedorox:

hehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

I've got a 12GB DDS3 tape drive they threw out at work, along with 12 tapes. I tested it out on my new A64 3000+ — it got a whopping 1MB/sec transfer rate!!! It took a month of sundays to backup just a few GB!!!

[03:27:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

(that's the 'real' transfer rate of DDS3... pathetic if you ask me!)

[03:28:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

And to think that the manufacturer actually put a SCSI III interface on it... Why?!?

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Sedorox:

hmmm

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J-e-f-f-A:

That would be like putting a hood scoop and tail fin on a Scion.... Oh wait, people actually do that too!

[03:31:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

So xris — How soon was the new MW going to be available?

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[03:33:03]

Mattwj2005:

what is up jeffa?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: My os HDD died today. The wake was this evening, the funeral tomorrow. :-(

[03:33:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

I was gonna setup the backup, I swear...

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Mattwj2005:

aww sorry to hear that :(

[03:34:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: At least my recordings are not lost — they are on a seperate LVM volume. Unfortunately I (stupidly) had my sql database on the OS hdd...

[03:35:08]

Mattwj2005:

awww that sucks

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Mattwj2005:

at least you can still see use the files :)

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Mattwj2005:

you just won't know what they are ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: So I will re-build with a nw hdd... Save the .mpg recordings onto DVD's or something, and start anew...

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay cool cool

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: Well, I'll know what the ones are up until 3:00am today — I have a network media player that I have a script setup to create links to the myth mpg files with real names (program – subtitle), so I'll be able to identify -most- of them.

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Mattwj2005:

-that is cool

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Mattwj2005:

how big was your hd?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: And at least it happened *after* the season of 24 is done...

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Mattwj2005:

lol :P

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: My OS HDD is an 18GB SCSI-III — my Myth LVM is 760GB (4x200GB formatted)

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Mattwj2005:

dang dude 760 GB rocks

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Mattwj2005:

you doing hd?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: Yeah, I got the drives on "Black Friday" (the day after Thanksgiving) at "Staples" for $39 each after rebate...

[03:39:07]

Mattwj2005:

that is really cool

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: I have 3 SD tuners using Dish Network Sat receivers, and a HD3000.

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Mattwj2005:

are you recording any hdtv?

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay cool cool

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: Yes, with the HD3000 — I live ~25 miles from Boston, so I get about 22 HD channels (that's including all of the sub-channels)

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Mattwj2005:

what is a subchannel anyways?

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Mattwj2005:

is that a totally separate channel?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: With digital TV, there is a 'main' channel number, and sub-channels. So I have analog channel "10", and Digital channels "10.1" and "10.2", 10.1 is the same as the "10" analog channel, but broadcast digially, and "10.2" is a weather radar channel.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: Yes, completely seperate content.

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Mattwj2005:

that is pretty cool

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: So, IIRC, I get 2.1 2.2 4.1 5.1 5.2 7.1 10.1 10.2 25.1 38.1 ... 68.1 68.2 68.3 68.4 ... I can't remember them all, but you get the idea...

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Mattwj2005:

interesting

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Mattwj2005:

I really want to go HDTV someday...right now my hardware won't be that great for playback

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: -most- channels have sub-channels, but not all. And as I showed above, channel 68 actually has 4 sub-channels. The neat thing is that the sub-channels are ones that are normally only available on sattelite or cable, but are free with OTA HD...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: What's your video card and processor?

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J-e-f-f-A:

(cpu)

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Mattwj2005:

right now I only have a builtin video card and a 1.3 Ghz celron

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Mattwj2005:

to make matters worse...I only have an 80 GB hd

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: Well, if you got an Nvidia card (GF4 or GF5 – newer ones aren't working yet with XVMC) and enabled XVMC (Motion Compensation), you could play 1080i reasonably well. I do it on a 1Ghz PIII with a GF5600. (Although that's on a seperate dedicated frontend, not a combined FE/BE)

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Mattwj2005:

yeah but I need about 10 GB/hr though right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

[I should say that "newer ones aren't working yet with XVMC" *as far as I know...*]

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kormoc:

they work fine

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: Well, I can't look now (obviously!), but I think I recall "24" in HD was less than 4GB for an hour.

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kormoc:

the only issue is the OSD is in greyscale with a 6xxx or 7xxx nvidia card

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, Mattwj2005: Ok, thanks. I stand corrected.

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: And OSD works in color with the tip that is either in the faq's or in the archives – somebody pointed me to it a few months ago...

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J-e-f-f-A:

(that is on the GF5)

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

hence why I said with the 6xxx and 7xxx :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

It was probably you...

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: re mythweb... 2.5 months left for summer of code.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: I'd drop an Nvidia card in there in a heartbeat though. I think you'll see a big difference in the video quality too.

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Mattwj2005:

actually if nothing else I could record the content on my 3 Ghz laptop

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Mattwj2005:

I just need to get it repaired

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: kewl. I think I've been in a cave for a while... I just learned that AJAX is basically Javascript + XHTML

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: And I've been getting info Javascript + CSS + DHTML a bit lately, so I'm not that far off of AJAX apparently! ;-) Kewl!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: Did you mean to say 'playback' content on your 3ghz laptop? What's wrong with it?

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: xml, actually

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Mattwj2005:

oh yeah oops

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Mattwj2005:

the power just shuts off....I bought a bad model from Toshiba....I have it covered under warranty

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: oops, yeah, that's what I meant. All stuff that I'm teaching myself now.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: Is it an S609 – 3.2Ghz HT?

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Mattwj2005:

nope....3.0 Ghz Satellite A75-S13

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: I've got an S609 – 3.2GHZ P4 HT — periodically shuts off. I've figured out that it's overheating, but instead of giving a warning beep or something when it's getting hot, it just shuts off.

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Mattwj2005:

well they better fix it...I bought an extended warranty

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: But the design is stupid — two 3" fan inputs on the BOTTOM. If I keep the back of the laptop elevated about 3/4" above the desk, it works fine.

[04:01:02]

Mattwj2005:

I even bought a cooling fan

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: And if I hear the fans kick into high-speed, I know that I better check that I've got enough air... otherwise it's gonna shut off soon!

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Mattwj2005:

have you tired to get it fixed?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: No, it's 18 mos old now. I was going to buy the extended warranty before the 12mos ran out, since it had turned off 2x before, but then I forgot and missed out. As long as I keep extra 'clearance' of the fan inputs, it works perfect.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: I'll probably just open it up myself and clean the heatsinks of any dust, and make sure there's adequate heatsink grease on the CPU and/or chipset...

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Mattwj2005:

okay

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Mattwj2005:

they better fix mine....it is so frastrating

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Mattwj2005:

as you know....mine isn't even usable anymore.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: btw, on the issue of video cards... I had an ATI Radeon 9200 in my A64 3000+ machine, and it wouldn't play HD in myth. I ripped it out and dropped in an NVidia, and it worked perfectly... (probably just a poor linux driver on ati's part, but Nvida kicks booty on linux, at least with myth!)

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Mattwj2005:

good to know...thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

So did Beirdo have a successful move yet?

[04:09:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

Mattwj2005: I better get to bed... ttyl...

[04:10:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: thanks. I'm heading off to bed.. ttyl.

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Mattwj2005:

later...nice talking to you :)

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laney:

wassup

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m13a8:

nothin

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lwizardl:

anyone here have a xbox360 and a mythtv box

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lwizardl:

?

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alieas:

hello

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lwizardl:

anyone ?

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alieas:

hey

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lwizardl:

alieas, you don't happen to have a xbox360 & mythtv?

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alieas:

not yet :)

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lwizardl:

dang, i'm trying to figure out how to get the xbox360 to talk with the mythtv box

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lwizardl:

don't want to build one and not be able to use it how I want

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mchou:

lwizardl: umm, is the xbox360 even hackable?

[05:59:03]

lwizardl:

mchou, that depends on your definition of hackable

[05:59:23]

mchou:

like hackable as in xbox I

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mchou:

the original xbox

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lwizardl:

mchou, not fully yet but there is this http://www.devil360.com/

[06:00:41]

mchou:

lwizardl: dont you thing $500 is a bit expensive for a myth frontend?

[06:00:41]

lwizardl:

mchou, I know the xbox360 uses UPnP devices for servers just they need to define themselfs somehow

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mchou:

think*

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lwizardl:

mchou, yes but the 360 was free from pepsi so that part isn't an issue

[06:02:01]

mchou:

pepsi gave away 360?

[06:02:14]

mchou:

you lucky bastid :)

[06:02:20]

lwizardl:

yes before the original release date

[06:02:37]

lwizardl:

mchou, why thankyou :)

[06:03:13]

mchou:

lwizardl: how did you win it? look under the cap sort of thing?

[06:03:20]

lwizardl:

yup

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mchou:

wow

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mchou:

unbelievable

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mchou:

I've never met anyone who got anything over $5 "under the cap"

[06:04:15]

lwizardl:

i bought $20 worth of 20oz pops and entered the codes at every10minutes.com and won a premium package 360 with kameo & need for speed

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mchou:

until now, that is

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mchou:

lwizardl: heh, not a bad return on ivestment

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mchou:

investment*

[06:05:01]

lwizardl:

well i've talked to you before, even bought a pvr-150 card from ya

[06:05:07]

mchou:

did you drink all the pop? :)

[06:05:22]

lwizardl:

yeah cost $20 and got $600 worth in return

[06:05:30]

lwizardl:

yeah that weekend

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mchou:

lwizardl: heh. ok, thanks for reminding me.

[06:05:53]

lwizardl:

np

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mchou:

you even use the pvr150 any more?

[06:06:27]

lwizardl:

haven't had time to even test the card

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

lwizardl: so how many pop (% of $20) did you drink b4 you won?

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lwizardl:

i opened all the 20oz pops and entered them all at once

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mchou:

damn!

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lwizardl:

then i had about 15–18 opened 20oz pops in my fridge

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mchou:

lwizardl: did pepsi like the odds of winning as part of rules?

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mchou:

s/like/list

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mchou:

like was it 1/100 or?

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lwizardl:

yeah it depened on how many people entered into the timeslot

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lwizardl:

every 10 minutes they gave away a system. you could enter 500 cap codes into 1 timeslot but you could only have like 2000 cap codes per account

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mchou:

heh, I would have entered in middle of night when ppl were sleeping, like around 2am :)

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lwizardl:

hehe my winning time was a 7:10 pm est there was 220 entries at the time and after i entered my codes there was 240 entries

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mchou:

lol

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lwizardl:

240 is a number that comes up for me alot

[06:13:26]

lwizardl:

number of kills in a game, the car i drive, almost every time i look at a clock

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mchou:

well, that'snot too shabby

[06:14:23]

mchou:

I'm not much of a "sweepstakes" person myself.....

[06:14:41]

mchou:

first thing I look at are the odds :)

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mchou:

I believe the math :)

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lwizardl:

oh kinda like me and the lotto i beleave it stands for "Lose Often To Terrible Odds"

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mchou:

exactly!

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lwizardl:

i never thought i'd win a 360 either but i seen my lucky number coming up so I tried

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mchou:

yeah, you did well

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Agrajag-:

heh.. i won a computer back in 2000. it came with a $4000 (at the time) 21" monitor.. which i still use, i was pretty pleased with that – all i did was call a number and leave details :P

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Agrajag-:

it was a win2k promo thing.. and of course linux was the first thing i put on it, hehe

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lwizardl:

hehe

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lwizardl:

smart move

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lwizardl:

I only own one windows box and that is just for streaming music to my 360

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lwizardl:

a blazing fast 500mhz 128mb ram 160gb hd speed demon

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alieas:

Is anyone running FC5 and MySql sucessfully? On a fresh FC5 install It doesn't want to run. mysqld.log shows to errors. when trying to launch the client, it reports it cannot find 'libmysqlclient.so.15' – however these files do exist in '/usr/lib/mysql/'

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UbAh:

I may have a stupid question

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UbAh:

is anyone here?

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kormoc:

Well, that is a stupid question, as the user list shows 157 people in it :P

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UbAh:

thanks...

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UbAh:

not used to IRC

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kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

so all joking aside, what is your real question?

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UbAh:

do you have any experience with the PCHD300 card

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kormoc:

nope

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UbAh:

how about DVB experience in general?

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kormoc:

sadly, I do not

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UbAh:

can anyone help me out with DVB using the PCHD300 card, please?

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UbAh:

PCHD3000*

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kormoc:

it's more useful to just ask the question and when people look back, they would see it and perhaps answer

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UbAh:

I can load the module for the DVB device

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kormoc:

you can also try back in a few hours when more of the uk folks are around, they tend to know DVB a bit

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UbAh:

but when I run the 'dvb-atsc-tools-1.0.1]# ./dtvsignal -qdvb /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 05' command I get 0 signal

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UbAh:

I am coming straight from the ASI stream

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UbAh:

hi pickler

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pickler:

hi UbAh

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UbAh:

you here to help or looking for help?

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pickler:

UbAh: well, not looking for help

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pickler:

not sure if i can help, if i know it i'll help otherwise i'll stay quiet

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pickler:

:)

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pickler:

:)

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UbAh:

here I will repost what I asked b4 you cam on

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UbAh:

I dont know if that would be considered spamming and get me yelled at though

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pickler:

go ahead

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UbAh:

<UbAh> can anyone help me out with DVB using the PCHD300 card, please?

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UbAh:

<UbAh> PCHD3000*

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UbAh:

<kormoc> it's more useful to just ask the question and when people look back, they would see it and perhaps answer

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UbAh:

<UbAh> I can load the module for the DVB device

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UbAh:

<kormoc> you can also try back in a few hours when more of the uk folks are around, they tend to know DVB a bit

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UbAh:

<UbAh> but when I run the 'dvb-atsc-tools-1.0.1]# ./dtvsignal -qdvb /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 05' command I get 0 signal

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UbAh:

<UbAh> I am coming straight from the ASI stream

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UbAh:

hopefully that is not to much

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pickler:

UbAh: I haven't used neither PCHD3000 nor dvb-atsc-tools

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UbAh:

have you used DVB at all?

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pickler:

I habe dvb-t

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pickler:

check the silly things first (i occasionaly do things like this) antenna connected?

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UbAh:

its from the unencrypted ASI stream from my cable headend

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UbAh:

I have signal to my settop DVB device but not my card

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pickler:

i noticed (google results ) some versions of dtvsignal are broken

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UbAh:

it will work v4l also...

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UbAh:

my version is from the PCHDTV folks

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UbAh:

made for the card I am using

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UbAh:

what tools do you use to check signal level?

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pickler:

i use dvb-util

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pickler:

tzap etc

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UbAh:

were do you recomend finding that?

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pickler:

dvbscan

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pickler:

what distro are you using?

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UbAh:

mandriva 64

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pickler:

uhm, mandriva should have dvb within their repositories, one moment

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UbAh:

thx

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pickler:

search for dvbtune & dvb

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UbAh:

thx

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UbAh:

does this 'dvbtune' check signal/scan for channels?

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pickler:

mandrive – dvb-apps

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UbAh:

thx again

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pickler:

yes it does that, but before you go hunting for it, you mentioned v4l works

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pickler:

?

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UbAh:

yes

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pickler:

what does mythtv show?

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UbAh:

the v4l portion of the card works fine

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UbAh:

i am trying to get my DVB working now

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UbAh:

I can get my single stream channels (basic cable)

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UbAh:

or I can get stream from my settop box

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UbAh:

the reason I want that is for a little better quality, not having to go through my settop box, and so that mythtv doesnt give me a mpeg2 encoded into that dam nupple file format

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UbAh:

becouse I cant seem to get my nupple files to go back to mpeg2 very well

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pickler:

nupple? dvb goes sttraight to mpeg2

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UbAh:

v4l goes to nupple

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UbAh:

thats why I am trying to avaoid v4l

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pickler:

mythtv nuv hasn't been used as default since 18.x

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pickler:

oh i c

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UbAh:

if I go from my settop dvr to the card it records in a nupple format, I have a hard time getting that into another format

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UbAh:

avidemux "kinda" works

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UbAh:

half the time

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UbAh:

but I lose quality

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pickler:

sorry can't help you , you may want to look at http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=dvb-apps

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pickler:

rpm for mandriva

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pickler:

or the src wiki for it http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/LinuxTV_dvb-apps

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UbAh:

I got dvb-apps now

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UbAh:

after you told me I grabed it

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UbAh:

now I am trying to figure it out

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pickler:

you may want to wait until the rest of the uk is awake

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pickler:

its 9am here, ppl still getting to work

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UbAh:

most you guys go through an antenia right?

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UbAh:

its 3AM here, but its cool I work 3rd shift

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pickler:

most, but some through dvb-c

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UbAh:

ah is that the terminology dvb-c? for dvb cable

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pickler:

i also still have analog cable, hehe i think i'm the last one in the region to still have analog cable

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UbAh:

well my cable company doesnt encrypt thier streams so

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pickler:

yeah even so, yours is digital.. big big dif

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UbAh:

with the dvb chip i should be able to get the different mpeg streams on the digital freqs

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pickler:

(the're called multiplex blocks)

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UbAh:

yea those

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UbAh:

I am not the best with the names of things, and I work at my cable companies NOC...

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pickler:

each freq holds multiple channels

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UbAh:

yep

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pickler:

the concept is exactly the same for dvb-t

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pickler:

only diff. is one through an antena, the other through a cable in the ground

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UbAh:

ok cool

[08:02:52]

UbAh:

then that should simplify things.. hopefully

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pickler:

yes, but my card was easy to set up (very) i simply followed the howto and it worked

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UbAh:

my card has been kinda hard to set up

[08:04:21]

UbAh:

first I had trouble getting mythtv t work in the distro i was using at the time

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pickler:

since you alrady have a signal and can get channels then you'rs should be easy

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UbAh:

slack

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UbAh:

yea I am thinking i am making a stupid mistake with the module of something

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pickler:

it simply means a configuration issue that's all

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UbAh:

but I dont know what it is

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pickler:

I bet you if you goto sleep, you'll be able to fix it when you are refreshed

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pickler:

lol

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UbAh:

yea but I have signal and can get channels from the v4l chip not the dvb one

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UbAh:

I only woke up 8 hours ago

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UbAh:

but I have been abiding the brandy and coke

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pickler:

brb

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UbAh:

hmmm <chicago> you wouldnt happen to be located in Chicago by chance?

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Chicago:

of course.

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UbAh:

thats were I am, well Naperville actually

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Chicago:

cool. I haven't checked if my streams are as accessible as yours... I don't have a dvb chip.

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UbAh:

you use comcast?

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Chicago:

yes

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UbAh:

they do not encrypt either

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Chicago:

oh shit. that's cool.

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Chicago:

so are you getting to catch all the channels... "on demand"?

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UbAh:

you should just need a DVB chip to grab the multiplex streams and it should work

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Chicago:

I've been wanting one...

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UbAh:

of course that is were I am having issues right now is getting my DVB device to work

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UbAh:

I got my PCHD3000 for 300 bucks

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UbAh:

if this works it will be worth it

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Chicago:

would you recommend that one to anybody?

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UbAh:

depends on how things go

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UbAh:

lets just say I dont know yet

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Chicago:

okay.

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Chicago:

going through with grabbing all the streams would be excellent

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UbAh:

yep

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UbAh:

so you are just getting analog with v4l right now?

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Chicago:

Yes.

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UbAh:

or do you go through your settop?

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UbAh:

does it save in .nuv format for you?

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Chicago:

totally going through a hauppauge 500... watching through the tuner with my comcast.. watching video on my monitor.

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Chicago:

Yeah. I save in .nuv. I haven't got my xvid reciepe to be as nice as I'd like for doing all the transcoding.

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adante:

does anybody know what would cause some of my recordings to come up like this http://adante.11011.net/pics/green1.png http://adante.11011.net/pics/green2.png

[08:14:57]

adante:

the sound works perfectly, and my tuner has never exhibited any problem in mplayer

[08:15:18]

Chicago:

adante: I've seen that before. halt the system... let it sit. make sure your firmware gets loaded correctly on reboot. read your dmesg.

[08:15:24]

UbAh:

your not recoerding at the proper resolution

[08:15:42]

adante:

and sometimes you can make out an 'image' in that mess, so the signal's there, sorta

[08:15:58]

UbAh:

it did that when i tried to force a different setting than 480 x 480 once

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adante:

right.. thanks guys

[08:16:30]

adante:

UbAh: how do you force it?

[08:16:38]

adante:

this is a dvb-t stream btw

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UbAh:

you use xvid for transcoding to mpeg you say, Chicago?

[08:17:11]

Chicago:

UbAh: that's my desired format.

[08:17:13]

UbAh:

in the myth-tv setup

[08:17:27]

UbAh:

or maybe it is in the mythfruntend settings

[08:17:32]

UbAh:

let me check brb

[08:19:32]

UbAh:

in mythfrontend

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UbAh:

go to setup

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UbAh:

tv settings

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UbAh:

and recording profiles

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UbAh:

Chicago: have you tried to go from your settop box to you capture card yet?

[08:20:42]

Chicago:

I have no settop box.

[08:20:46]

UbAh:

ok

[08:21:19]

Chicago:

too much of a bill for digital cable now. I'm just watching x-files simpsons, deal or no deal.... and the news networks...

[08:21:40]

UbAh:

part of my transcoding trouble is cuz my settop is decoding the stream already and when mythtv puts it in the nupple format it is a non standard nuv file

[08:21:55]

Chicago:

are you getting mpeg transport streams?

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UbAh:

mythtv plays it fine but trying to transcode it to something else causes headachs

[08:22:28]

Chicago:

can cinelerra process it??? cause than you will be able to distribute your transcoding.

[08:22:32]

UbAh:

that I am not sure of

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Chicago:

do you have firewire capture going on then from your settop box?

[08:22:56]

UbAh:

what is the format from the settop to the tv?

[08:23:06]

UbAh:

not firewire

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Chicago:

NTSC

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UbAh:

S-video

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UbAh:

it is a NTSC format into the nuv file then

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UbAh:

but I havent tried xvid yet I will give it a try

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Chicago:

um... if you're getting a digital signal from the settop box... do you know what format the stream is?

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UbAh:

no

[08:25:24]

Chicago:

does FFMPEG handle transcoding it into a regular MPEG2 successfully for you?

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UbAh:

I can find out when I next talk to a headend tech or the addressable systems guy

[08:25:54]

UbAh:

the only app I could get to install was avidemux2

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Chicago:

which os?

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UbAh:

at first I was slack

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UbAh:

now I am mandriva

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UbAh:

mandriva 64

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Chicago:

I'm using gentoo for the task... and it's a lot of work to keep the distribution consistent

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UbAh:

am i looking for xvid-divx-devel, or avifile-xvid?

[08:27:50]

Chicago:

just make ffmpeg and ./configure it with all the xvid support.

[08:27:52]

UbAh:

brb anothe rbrandy and coke sounds nice right about now

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UbAh:

back

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Chicago:

k

[08:29:51]

UbAh:

though these cant be helping me to think clearly about this problem ;-p

[08:30:03]

Chicago:

hehe... I just made a pot of coffee

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UbAh:

getting avfile now

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adante:

is there a way to tell which tuner produced a certain recordin?

[08:31:19]

UbAh:

then ffmpeg

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Chicago:

adante: your myth setup has a choice over which tuner it will use first... if you see files in your /mnt/store directory...... myth will pick the first tuner by default... and then the second tuner when needed.

[08:32:28]

Chicago:

so just check the original timestamps.

[08:32:52]

lwizardl:

anyone here have a xbox360 and a mythtv box?

[08:33:09]

adante:

Chicago: what about when i have 2 recordings startig simultaneouly (e.g. both at 8:30)?

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UbAh:

do you have 2 cards?

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Merlin83b2:

adante: Apart from looking through the backend logs, no.

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UbAh:

if not the priorities you set each at will determine which one gets recorded

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Chicago:

/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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Chicago:

use that

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adante:

UbAh: i have 3, and the priorities are all the same

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UbAh:

3 cards

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UbAh:

thenI dont know sry

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UbAh:

do you have a front end for ffmpeg or am I gonna have to learn its syntax?

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Chicago:

sorry... I just muddle through syntax :(

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UbAh:

can you give me an example of how you use it?

[08:37:09]

Chicago:

linking

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Dagmar:

`man ffmpeg`

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UbAh:

I am looking at that dagmar

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UbAh:

did you get that name from Frank Zappa BTW?

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adante:

Merlin83b2: do you know what sort of loggin i would need on to tell? i disabled it all because bad recepton would cause my logs to flll up at ~200meg/hour

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Merlin83b2:

Ouch.

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Chicago:

UbAh: this is the best one I've found. http://smorgasbord.net/convert_video_linux

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Merlin83b2:

Can't remember I'm afraif adante.

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UbAh:

dam that page doesnt want to desplay the text correctly to my konqueror

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adante:

bah! all my log seems to say is TVRec(2): Changing from None to RecordingOnly

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UbAh:

that is as it should look adante

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Chicago:

UbAh: it looks good in my opera

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adante:

UbAh: yeah, just annoying because it doesn't help me figure out which card it is

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UbAh:

and you want to set certian cards for certian streams?

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adante:

um.. not yet

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Merlin83b2:

adante: 2 :-)

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adante:

atm i just want to find out whichcard was responsible for producinga certain recording (which happens to be garbled and produce the green output from earlier)

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Merlin83b2:

TVRec(cardid)

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UbAh:

ah ok

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adante:

Merlin83b2: well sadly i also have 40 TVRec(1): Changing from None to RecordingOnly

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adante:

Merlin83b2: occurring at the same time (well 600ms later)

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UbAh:

sry I dont have enough experience or sobriety for that question adante

[08:44:55]

Merlin83b2:

Then cardid 1 also recorded things.

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adante:

Merlin83b2: yes.. hence i do't know whether it's 1 or 2 :]

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adante:

UbAh: no worries you've been helpful anyway thanks

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Merlin83b2:

Heh, a few lines further down (can't SSH home to my box at the moment) it might say what they're recording.

[08:47:13]

Merlin83b2:

Or at the time the recording stops, I forget,.

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adante:

ahh that should work.. nice thinking Merlin83b2

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Merlin83b2:

No problem – been a while since I minded which card was used for stuff – both mine are in fine working order at the moment :-)

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UbAh:

Chicago: I get an 'Unknown format' error for the .nuv from ffmpeg

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Chicago:

yeah, you need to use nuvexport first.

[08:50:13]

UbAh:

nuvexport never worked for me...

[08:50:19]

UbAh:

thats part of my problem

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Chicago:

recent versions seem to work for me.

[08:50:38]

Chicago:

there is a better interface now. are you using older code?

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adante:

Merlin83b2: yeah.. well when it all works, it works

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UbAh:

I havent tried it in mandriva yet though

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adante:

and when it doesn't... it's hell

[08:50:46]

UbAh:

only slack

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UbAh:

what version are you running Chicago?

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Chicago:

some SVN from a month or two ago. mythbackend version: 0.19.20060121–2

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UbAh:

ok grabing nuvexport-0.3–0.20060604.svn.src.rpm from http://forevermore.net/files/nuvexport/

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UbAh:

gonna try that

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Chicago:

UbAh: need another brandy & coke yet?

[08:54:28]

Chicago:

ping your cup... is it latent in splashing your lips with drunk?

[08:54:33]

Chicago:

I want beer now.

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UbAh:

hehe no I take it slow

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UbAh:

as I am light weight/cheep date

[08:55:30]

UbAh:

2–3 shots gets me drunk

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Chicago:

I'm about 280lbs and need about 3 pitchers before I get annoying

[08:56:00]

Chicago:

or 5... depending on the company

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UbAh:

well I am 180Lbs but still light weight for alchohol

[08:56:30]

UbAh:

I think its the cherokee blood

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UbAh:

or something

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Chicago:

oh... it's already got alcohol in it. :)

[08:56:56]

UbAh:

probably

[08:57:07]

UbAh:

Cherokee/Irish/Scotish

[08:57:28]

UbAh:

I am suprised I still have a liver

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Chicago:

lol

[08:57:52]

UbAh:

now to remember rpm from sorce...

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UbAh:

brb

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Juski:

morning

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Merlin83b2:

Morning Juski.

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Juski:

my brain is still hurting from trying to get the intel binary driver running last night

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Merlin83b2:

No luck?

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UbAh:

still awake Chicago?

[09:13:06]

Chicago:

yup

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Chicago:

Morning Juski

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UbAh:

k I am getting mysql errors from nuvexport

[09:13:37]

Chicago:

Is your backend running?

[09:13:39]

UbAh:

Can't locate DBD/mysql.pm

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UbAh:

no

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UbAh:

does it need to be?

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Juski:

Merlin83b2: some luck, but lots of errors about a module not being found. I'm 95% sure all the paths I installed the bins to are right

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Chicago:

yeah

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UbAh:

kk

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Merlin83b2:

:-(

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UbAh:

same thing

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UbAh:

it uses the same sql database as my myth?

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Chicago:

Yeah.

[09:15:04]

Chicago:

Are you doing it on the same server as the database?

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UbAh:

yes

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UbAh:

I am doing everything local till I get it to work properly

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Juski:

Merlin83b2: I think I might just have missed one tidgy little thing.. investigating

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Chicago:

UbAh: well... i did "locate mysql.pm" and it sits inside my perl directories...

[09:18:36]

Chicago:

Do you have more information about your installation?

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UbAh:

mysql.pm is not on my server anywere

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UbAh:

ok...

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Chicago:

do you have perl installed?????

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UbAh:

I thought so...

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UbAh:

one sec

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UbAh:

no but now I do

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Chicago:

cool

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UbAh:

did a updatedb and the a locate mysql.pm and still nothing

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Chicago:

Mine is here. /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux-thread-multi/DBD/mysql.pm

[09:23:25]

Chicago:

and here. /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux-thread-multi/Bundle/DBD/mysql.pm

[09:24:24]

Chicago:

UbAh: maybe you need to install DBD-mysql...

[09:24:30]

UbAh:

installing DBD mysql perl bindings now

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Chicago:

you're getting there!

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UbAh:

yea I can locate it now

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UbAh:

now for nuvexport

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UbAh:

grrr

[09:27:21]

UbAh:

still cant find it

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UbAh:

and its loking right at it

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Chicago:

env-update or logout/login?

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UbAh:

mandriva has no command env-update

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UbAh:

ok

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UbAh:

I know its lazy/ugly but I am drunk enough to logout and login to try that

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UbAh:

brb

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Chicago:

Welcome back.

[09:35:31]

UbAh:

now it needs Date/Manip.pm and the error is so simalure that it may have been saying that b4 I did the relog thing...

[09:35:58]

UbAh:

I remember this error from when I ran into trying to install it in slack...

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Chicago:

I have it here... /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.7/Date/Manip.pm

[09:36:59]

Chicago:

checking for the binding module

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UbAh:

I should have installed all the perl libraries when i did this distro install

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UbAh:

kicks self

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Chicago:

When in doubt... install everything. >:0

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UbAh:

no error now :-D

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Chicago:

COOL

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UbAh:

but no --help file :-(

[09:39:47]

UbAh:

ffmpeg had critical errors:

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Chicago:

yikes

[09:39:59]

UbAh:

grr but I dont know what I am doing in nuvexport anyway...

[09:40:20]

Chicago:

run nuvexport-xvid if you have it

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UbAh:

wow that killed my bash session

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UbAh:

let me make sure the process is dead...

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Chicago:

whoa

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adante:

is there anyway to make the backend stop/pause/not run mythtranscode processes while it's recording/recording more than x streams?

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UbAh:

I have that

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adante:

my system gets a bit sluggish when recording 3 things and transcoding

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UbAh:

same thing

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Chicago:

adante: setup a raid...

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UbAh:

you here often Chicago?

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Chicago:

yes

[09:43:30]

UbAh:

this late that is?

[09:43:33]

Chicago:

yes

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UbAh:

cool

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UbAh:

cuz I dont think this is getting finished today

[09:45:02]

UbAh:

and tomorrow I have to see what A PSP is capable of with homebrews :-) so I will try to come back some other day

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Chicago:

okay

[09:45:20]

Chicago:

lemme know about that PSP. that would be cool to see.

[09:45:20]

UbAh:

but thx

[09:45:28]

UbAh:

I will have a brandy and coke for you

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Chicago:

danke

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UbAh:

hell if you come over and help me I will give you as much as you want ;-p

[09:46:16]

Chicago:

You'd need to be runnin gentoo for that.

[09:46:31]

UbAh:

well I am not married to mandriva

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UbAh:

the only reason I am using it is cuz slamD wassnt working

[09:47:02]

Chicago:

I have a new profile I'm building on athlon/pentium4 & pentium 3 right now... I hope they're finished by july.

[09:48:09]

UbAh:

yea I just built this p4 dualcore 4meg (2 on each core) system and found out that there is "teh suk" for 64 stuff I can throw on here

[09:48:32]

Chicago:

eh

[09:48:39]

Chicago:

That's rich. I want one!

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UbAh:

it cost over 1k

[09:49:05]

UbAh:

the processor that is

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UbAh:

and win64 cant deal with the dual core+hyperthreading combo...

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Chicago:

mobo too was prolly 600+

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UbAh:

and nothing seems to like my dual SCSI card setup

[09:50:07]

UbAh:

so I gave myself headachs galore with just the os installs

[09:50:07]

Chicago:

stinky

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Chicago:

BIOS updates???

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UbAh:

the bios also suks and it is a great board

[09:50:52]

Chicago:

have you built a kernel for it yet???

[09:50:53]

UbAh:

supermirco board

[09:50:57]

UbAh:

yes

[09:51:13]

UbAh:

had to to get dvb working

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Chicago:

does dmesg recognize the dualcore+hyperthreading

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UbAh:

but it still isnt working...

[09:51:38]

UbAh:

not sure I have it disabled as i dual boot

[09:51:55]

UbAh:

I know I know that makes me half evil but I like my games

[09:52:00]

UbAh:

and cedega doesnt cut it

[09:52:07]

Chicago:

some of the discrepencies between win/linux do require a powerdown cycle.

[09:52:10]

Chicago:

when dualbooting

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UbAh:

I know

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UbAh:

but I want my software to be a cutting edge as my hardware damit

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Chicago:

hells yeah

[09:52:46]

** UbAh pouts **

[09:53:29]

UbAh:

if everyone would wake up and code thier games for posix I would get rid of doze entirely

[09:53:40]

Chicago:

brb (telephone)

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UbAh:

congress should make a law requiring posix code base for all games

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Scopeuk_:

heh lol

[09:55:02]

Scopeuk_:

stop dreaming whihc big buissnes whould pay for that being pushed thought

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UbAh:

um isnt torvalds big buisness yet?

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Scopeuk_:

cos nothign goes through congres without a hugh backhand dealer ahem sorry i mena corperate sponser

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Scopeuk_:

games on posix jsut is that bigger market

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UbAh:

the gaming companies need to get as mad at doze as IBM and novell did

[09:56:34]

UbAh:

well you have everything ID on posix

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UbAh:

and they dont suffer for lack of cash

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UbAh:

I spend more money on lin games than on win ones

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UbAh:

cuz I onlt buy the games I want to support

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Scopeuk_:

its jsut that most posix envioroments are designed aroud na specific purpose usualy deval/server duty

[09:57:36]

UbAh:

the other well I play em but well we wont talk about how I get em

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Scopeuk_:

heh

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Scopeuk_:

alot of my games work on linux but im too much of a softie to only by lin supportign games

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Scopeuk_:

been meaning to try unreal 2k4 on my dual boto to see how it works

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UbAh:

the only win game I bought in years was oblivion cuz I wanted to support that franchise

[09:59:17]

UbAh:

and i dont like FPS so I kinda get screwed for lin games

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Scopeuk_:

im an fps fan but im also quite fond of rts

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Scopeuk_:

and jsut about anythign with mechs

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UbAh:

not to fond of fast twitch stratagy I like turn based

[10:00:06]

UbAh:

heroes is an awesome franchise cuz of that

[10:00:16]

Scopeuk_:

im not too fond of turn base

[10:00:23]

Scopeuk_:

it leverages levels over tactics

[10:00:36]

UbAh:

yea but guess who owns any mechwarrior games IP...

[10:00:59]

UbAh:

ever play panzer general?

[10:01:32]

Scopeuk_:

cant say i have

[10:01:38]

Scopeuk_:

possibly the demo

[10:01:39]

UbAh:

hell I play tactics areana online while at work cuz it is turn based browser based gaming

[10:02:24]

UbAh:

dont tell my boss

[10:02:41]

Scopeuk_:

doubt im even in the right country

[10:02:54]

UbAh:

considering its 5AM here

[10:03:02]

UbAh:

probably not

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Scopeuk_:

11 am here

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UbAh:

actually I have replaced my game addiction with doing projects

[10:03:54]

UbAh:

after I get mythtv to were I want it

[10:04:36]

UbAh:

I am gonna make a fully functional tuner/digital 8 track recorder in a linux box

[10:04:46]

Scopeuk_:

im not addicted i cna stop any time i want ;-)

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UbAh:

then we are planning on making an electric piano, not a electronic one, electric like a electric guitar

[10:05:16]

Scopeuk_:

honestly thoguh im about 30 mins off the next set of unlocks on battlefield2 but im doing revision

[10:05:57]

UbAh:

if I run out of projects I start to go nuts with nothing to do

[10:06:16]

UbAh:

but now I am going nuts trying to get this DVB to work...

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UbAh:

Chicago: back yet?

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Chicago:

I'm back.

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speedsix:

howdy all

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Chicago:

speedsix: howdy

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speedsix:

Does anyone use mythfrontend on a gnome system?

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qu0zl:

i do speedsix

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speedsix:

If I have mythfrontend running and try to shutdown/logout of gnome, it pops up 'your session has been saved' and it won't logout unless I quit mythfrontend first?

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qu0zl:

i've never seen that speedsix

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speedsix:

yeah it's odd

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qu0zl:

you tried disabling saving sessions on logout?

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speedsix:

Yeah that's not set

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speedsix:

I'm not sure if it's related to myth running on the second screen

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** UbAh a bit more sober now **

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UbAh:

back

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UbAh:

chicago this nuxexport looks like it only takes from a stream

[10:34:39]

UbAh:

can it work on my already saved nuv files?

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Chicago:

I use it from the command line by calling nuvexport... then a menu pops up after the backend queries the database... and it asks me to pick a recording... and then asks me what I want to do with it.

[10:35:36]

UbAh:

hmm it asks me to pick a channel

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Chicago:

lemme go through it again over here. one min

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UbAh:

never mind

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UbAh:

I am stupid

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Chicago:

why?

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UbAh:

youare right

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UbAh:

I only have one recording in the database and it has the default name so it looked different than I expected

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Chicago:

oh

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UbAh:

BTW how do I merge two databases of recorded stuff?

[10:37:43]

Chicago:

hehe... run mythfilldatabase

[10:37:49]

Chicago:

(that was for the previous comment)

[10:38:07]

Chicago:

There's a script which will merge the database... I'm not sure what it is though... I usually don't use it.

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UbAh:

it isnt to important

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UbAh:

well it is if nuvexport is the way I end up trancoding to mpeg2

[10:39:01]

UbAh:

but not yet

[10:40:18]

UbAh:

ok on further inspection (these are loffmpeg had critical errors:

[10:40:18]

UbAh:

pipe:: Error while opening fileafers) this is the error I get

[10:40:19]

UbAh:

ffmpeg had critical errors:

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UbAh:

pipe:: Error while opening file

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UbAh:

oops mangled my text there

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Chicago:

from within nuvexport?

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UbAh:

this is the error I get ffmpeg had critical errors: pipe:: Error while opening file

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UbAh:

so it just cant open the file

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Chicago:

well... maybe it's running as the mythtv user

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UbAh:

you wouldnt happen to know the syntax it is trying to use with ffmpeg would you?

[10:45:00]

UbAh:

I want to see if I recreate the error using ffmpeg in console

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Chicago:

did you read http://smorgasbord.net/convert_video_linux that's about the best I can do with ffmpeg syntax

[10:45:13]

Chicago:

I used to use mencoder until I realized it fails

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Chicago:

try that example form the web page to see if you can turn it into a DVD. :)

[10:45:38]

UbAh:

um I did but I dont remember it

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UbAh:

I am more sober now...

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UbAh:

thats why ffmpeg still gets unknown format error

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UbAh:

do i need to compile ffmpeg from source with an argument to recognise nuv files?

[10:48:03]

UbAh:

I just grabed an rpm I didnt compile fmpeg

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Chicago:

I don't think so.

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UbAh:

do you know why it doesnt recognise nupple?

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Chicago:

I believe that nuvexport pipes the decoded nuv (as mpeg) through ffmpeg... to be transcoded to whatever format you want

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UbAh:

or is it just not recogniseing my (maybe nonstandard) nupple files...

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Chicago:

?

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UbAh:

I was told b4 that cuz I am going through my setop box that it is encoding a non standard nuv file

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UbAh:

but who knows if the person who told me that knows what they are talking about...

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Chicago:

but how's it getting into myth? from a hauppauge card? or firewire or what/

[10:51:14]

UbAh:

what does nuvexport use to convert it to mpeg?

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UbAh:

I believe it is a haupage chipset for the v4l device

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UbAh:

one sec i will see

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speedsix:

Does anyone use transcode?

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UbAh:

its Cx88 is that the haupage chipset?

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Mikelo:

hi does it make any sense to install mythtv without a capture card?

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Dibblah:

Yes. And no.

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Chicago:

well... you still can use mythvideo... mythmusic... mythphone and the other apps

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UbAh:

are you just trying to install a frontend to use with a different backend?

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Mikelo:

no i don't think i have access to any backend

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UbAh:

ok then you will not be able to watch tv or record

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speedsix:

Cx88 uses the bttv driver doesn't it?

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UbAh:

not sure

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quitte_:

good morning. is there some nice way to use an ipaq to control mythtv?

[10:59:28]

Mikelo:

do mythvideo, mythmusic and mythphone retreive data from the net then?

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UbAh:

I know that the moduels I have running for my card are cx88

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UbAh:

alot of em too

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Merlin83b2:

quitte_: Control in what sense, like a remote control?

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Chicago:

mythvideo uses your existing video library. mythmusic uses your existing music library and mythphone connects to FWD

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Chicago:

quitte_: does your ipaq have n IR control?

[11:00:33]

quitte_:

Merlin83b2: i'd prefer it more if it was a tiny frontend that controls the actual frontend.

[11:00:49]

quitte_:

Chicago: yes. not sure if it works,though. it's a jornada 568

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Chicago:

those are almost the original ones right? from 1999?

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Merlin83b2:

quitte_: I'm not aware of anything, but I think you should code one up and ideally make it work on Windows Mobile 5.0, too :-)

[11:01:29]

quitte_:

Chicago: well its from back in the days when compaq wasnt hp i think

[11:01:33]

Mikelo:

ok do i don't need mythvideo & mythmusic, what about mythphone? does it have any particular feature?

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Chicago:

what do you mean 'do i don't need'?

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UbAh:

my card is the PCHD3000 and it uses the cx88 chipset but I dont know if that counts as haupage or if it uses bttv

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quitte_:

Merlin83b2: i dont care for windows at all. but hell i really wish i could code. im looking for a mentor for learning c. want to do that?

[11:02:14]

Merlin83b2:

Mikelo: So you don't want to watch tv, use mythvideo or mythmusic... Why do you want MythTv, exactly?

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Mikelo:

Chicago, i already have video players like vlc, mplayer etc...

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qu0zl:

quitte_, there's a telnet interface on the frontends. If you're bored that could be a fun project to learn C with, a simple gui frontend to the telnet interface

[11:02:39]

Merlin83b2:

quitte_: Heh, nice try. Nowhere near enough time to do my own coding let alone teach anyone else. Best way is just to dive in!

[11:02:57]

Mikelo:

Merlin83b2, I can't watch tv cause i don't have a video player

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Mikelo:

Merlin83b2, I can't watch tv cause i don't have a video card

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Mikelo:

sorry

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Merlin83b2:

Mikelo: So what do you want MythTV for?

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Chicago:

Mikelo: you should probably just get a capture card.

[11:03:30]

Mikelo:

i guess

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UbAh:

mikelo what are you trying to do?

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quitte_:

Merlin83b2: I tried that recently. tried to use libdb to store hello world and then print it. but couldn't get that working. maybe you can write that as an example for me?

[11:03:48]

Mikelo:

I thought i could watch and record tv over the internet

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Mikelo:

but i waas wrong

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Chicago:

Mikelo: you have to capture it first.

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quitte_:

Merlin83b: i think the problem was that the db didnt get created when it failed to open

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Chicago:

You're talkin about features that also exist with sagetv.... you still need a capture card for that too.

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Merlin83b:

quitte_: printf("Hello world");

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UbAh:

you might be able to if you set up a backend and remotely access it

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UbAh:

but not just logging on to some server and watch tv no

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Mikelo:

oh well, i'll remove it for now

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quitte_:

Merlin83b: well i got that working. but i want the database with it. had something on my mind for years that i need a database for for years

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UbAh:

later Mikelo

[11:05:12]

darthy:

i have a problem using my epia hardware mpeg2 decoder on minimyth.

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UbAh:

wow now its busy in here...

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Mikelo:

tnx all

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UbAh:

I just had to wait 4 hours :-)

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Merlin83b:

quitte_: Long time since I coded anything like that in C so can't really help I'm afraid. Find a book or a tutorial or something :-)

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Merlin83b:

darthy: Sorry to hear that.

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quitte_:

Merlin83b: ok thanks. I'll continue searching for a mentor

[11:07:02]

darthy:

audio needs 3–10secs to sync to video.. the audio is not playing in the first secs.. while its off video is playing back with a much higher framerate.. then when audio turns on, the video is played back with a much slower framrate.. when audio and video meet correct sync, the normal framerate is played back.

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UbAh:

ok so is there anyone on who can help with my DVB-c yet?

[11:07:51]

darthy:

Ubah> what problem with dvb-c ?

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Kanashimi:

Hello there, I'm having some strange issues with myth-tv.. everything is set up, video sources, xmltv, etc. I've set up the channels in mythtv-setup too, from the entries created there by xmltv, channel numbers, etc. But now it seems that every time mythfilldatabase runs, it creates a second set of channels into the database that don't have all the information. And as such

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Kanashimi:

it becomes a total mess to attempt to switch channels in mythfrontend, etc. Why is it messing up my config after I've set it up ?

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Chicago:

What's the error?

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UbAh:

I cant get a signal reading from dtvsignal

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UbAh:

but it works fine on the v4l device

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UbAh:

its a PCHD3000 card

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darthy:

Kanashimi > edit your scanned channels in mythweb and put in the correct xmltvids

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Kanashimi:

The correct ids are there also. I've set them up in mythv-setup before, or is mythtv-setup broken somehow ?

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darthy:

then check file in your home dir .mythtv/channels and delete all channels you dont want to add to db while scanning with xmltv

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UbAh:

darthy: do you use dvb-c ?

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darthy:

Kanashimi > be sure you check all channel files in home dirs (/root, /mythtv, ..).. depends from which user you start your backend

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darthy:

Ubah > i use dvb-s

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UbAh:

I am coming from an unencrypted ASI stream

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darthy:

Ubah > did you input the right frequencies to scan?

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Kanashimi:

darthy: Well, let me see.. it's ok to use mythv-setup though, right ?

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UbAh:

but I cant seem to get any levels, I dont know if i am using the wrong apps or if i have my moduals messed up I am compleetely lost here

[11:13:15]

UbAh:

I scanned channel 5

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UbAh:

the getatsc found channels

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darthy:

Kanashimi > yes it is.. the problem is that the xmltvids (which are used to link real channels with programm guide data from xmltv) are often not edited right in the db.. you can use an mysql client to edit (like phpmyadmin) or use the mythweb interface.. in the mythweb-config you can edit most relevant channel information for each channel

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darthy:

UbAh > ok.. does zap work?

[11:15:06]

darthy:

Ubah > i mean do you get a lock while tuning ?

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UbAh:

grr I thnk I messed up my moduals cuz after I rebooted last time I dont have a /dev/dvb/ anymore...

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darthy:

oh.. maybe you should check that first! ;)

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UbAh:

yea...

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UbAh:

maybe I should sleep

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darthy:

what dvb-card do you have ?

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UbAh:

or take a break

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Kanashimi:

darthy: Merf..

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UbAh:

or just push myself to the brink of insanity

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UbAh:

hmmm tough choices

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UbAh:

PCHD3000

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** darthy advices Ubah to take a short smoking break and relax.. all will be good at last – i promise! **

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** UbAh doesnt smoke **

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** UbAh just sobered up **

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UbAh:

and its 6AM so I should sleep in a few hours

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darthy:

do you use v4l ?

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UbAh:

v4l works fine

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UbAh:

its the dvb I am having trouble with

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darthy:

i just checked supported devices.. couldnt find your card

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darthy:

but i just took a short look.. if you cannot solve your probs maybe as in #v4l

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** darthy off for eating a turkey **

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darthy:

as=ask

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UbAh:

http://www.pchdtv.com/hd_3000.html

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UbAh:

no v4l works fine

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UbAh:

I am trying to use the dvb chip on the card

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** UbAh would love to find someone who has the HD-3000 card working **

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qu0zl:

UbAh, the #v4l channel would be your best bet wouldn't it?

[11:27:06]

UbAh:

no

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UbAh:

becouse then I have to deal with nupple

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UbAh:

and I lose some quality

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UbAh:

my v4l is working fine

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Kanashimi:

Well... I think I got the channel database to stay alive for the moment now.. but for some reason it's completely failing to change channels. This is a PVR-350 card btw.. 'TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 23'

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puthre:

Kanashimi: which ivtv driver are u using?

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puthre:

Kanashimi: what version?

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Kanashimi:

puthre: 0.6.2. Also to note, ivtv-tune changes channels just fine.

[11:35:15]

puthre:

Kanashimi: I just talked to hverkuil about a similar problem with 0.6.2. Please try 0.6.1

[11:35:50]

Kanashimi:

Right now I'm trying to set up an external command for ivtv-tune to change the channels.

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puthre:

Kanashimi: it works to change channels while not watching but it freezes while watching

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puthre:

Kanashimi: please try 0.6.1 and give us feedback on #v4l

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Kanashimi:

Er, actually ivtv-tune is changing channels just fine when feed is running. Mm.. theres no ebuild for 0.6.1.. I'd have to fake it into the database or something.

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Kanashimi:

Let me try and setting up the external command first. It says that the first argument passed will be the channel number, yes ? So it should be readable as $1 in a shell script ?

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puthre:

yes, but you will need the frequenci, no the channel number

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Kanashimi:

ivtv-tune -t <zone> -c channel

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puthre:

Kanashimi: ok

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Kanashimi:

That's odd.. it's not passing an argument to the script at all.

[11:42:44]

Kanashimi:

echo $1 doesn't return the argument.

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puthre:

Kanashimi: you can download 0.6.1 from http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/archive/0.6.x/ivtv-0.6.1.tar.gz

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Kanashimi:

Well.. yeah, but it'd be a mess with my package manager. I'd prefer to avoid trying to compile another version of ivtv when it should be still possible to just use the external command for it.. Mm, I'll keep it in mind but will try some other alternatives first.

[11:48:01]

puthre:

Kanashimi: you can copy the 0.6.2 ebuild to 0.6.1, then create the digest and then just emerge it

[11:48:10]

puthre:

Kanashimi: it should be as simple as this

[11:50:44]

Kanashimi:

Oh ? Hmm. How would I go about that exactly ?

[11:51:01]

puthre:

do like this:

[11:51:38]

puthre:

cd /usr/portage/media-tv/ivtv

[11:51:58]

puthre:

cp ivtv-0.6.2.ebuild ivtv-0.6.1.ebuild

[11:52:27]

puthre:

ebuild ivtv-0.6.1.ebuild digest

[11:52:50]

puthre:

emerge -v =ivtv-0.6.1

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puthre:

this should do the trick

[11:53:48]

Kanashimi:

Alright, let me give that a try.

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Kanashimi:

Mm... emerge fails... cannot find $EPATCH_SOURCE

[11:55:36]

Kanashimi:

/usr/portage/media-tv/ivtv/files/ivtv-0.6.1-ppc-fix.patch

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puthre:

oh

[11:56:06]

puthre:

it tries to find the 0.6.1 patch but it's name it's 0.6.2

[11:56:22]

puthre:

just try to cpoy that file with 0.6.1 name

[11:56:30]

puthre:

s/copy/copy

[11:56:34]

puthre:

:)

[11:56:45]

Kanashimi:

Heh, I hope it'll match.

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puthre:

Kanashimi: it worths a try

[11:57:37]

Kanashimi:

And... !!! Security Violation: A file exists that is not in the manifest.

[11:57:46]

Kanashimi:

Not quite as simple :)

[11:57:52]

puthre:

:)

[11:57:59]

puthre:

we are learning :)

[11:58:12]

puthre:

ooh

[11:58:22]

Kanashimi:

(It refers to the copied patch at that)

[11:58:22]

puthre:

just ebuild the digest again

[11:58:28]

puthre:

I think this is the problem

[12:00:34]

Kanashimi:

Alright.. it's building now, didn't seem to get any mismatches with the patching either.

[12:00:52]

Kanashimi:

Mm, removing 0.6.2..

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puthre:

Kanashimi: it downloaded the right tar?

[12:01:57]

Kanashimi:

I think it claims to have at least ?

[12:02:28]

puthre:

ok, good

[12:02:43]

Kanashimi:

I guess I need to kill all the ivtv modules loaded in the kernel atm and then reload..

[12:02:43]

puthre:

now do a modprobe -r ivtv

[12:02:47]

puthre:

and the modprobe ivtv

[12:04:18]

Kanashimi:

Hmm, what about all the dep modules ? Do they get rehashed as well ?

[12:04:45]

Kanashimi:

Like theres tuner, tda9887 and such here.

[12:04:53]

puthre:

Kanashimi: the should have but you can depmod -a to be sure

[12:05:01]

Kanashimi:

Alright.

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[12:07:26]

Kanashimi:

Hmm... mplayer /dev/video0 isn't giving me a signal... let me try that again...

[12:07:52]

Kanashimi:

oohkay... the process is frozen

[12:08:08]

puthre:

Kanashimi: you can check dmesg to see if the board was recognized

[12:08:09]

Kanashimi:

It's not accepting even a kill -9

[12:08:37]

Kanashimi:

ivtv0 warning: 1000 ms time out waiting for firmware

[12:08:51]

Kanashimi:

ivtv0 warning: Failed api call 0x000000d2 with result 0xfffffff0

[12:09:04]

Kanashimi:

ivtv0 warning: Firmware UNRESPONSIVE when trying cmd 0x000000c8!!!

[12:09:06]

Kanashimi:

etc.

[12:09:16]

puthre:

Kanashimi: hmm, maybe you should reboot and try again

[12:10:00]

Kanashimi:

Looks a little like it...

[12:10:45]

Kanashimi:

Hopefully won't have to sysrq the system :p

[12:12:05]

Kanashimi:

Alright, here we go... *idles for reboot*

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Juski:

evening

[12:13:45]

Juski:

phew! what a scorcher!

[12:15:15]

Kanashimi:

..And back.

[12:16:17]

Kanashimi:

Ok.. this is looking a bit more promising, getting the usual fuzz from the card, let's see a real channel..

[12:16:56]

Kanashimi:

Mm, ok. Looks like the driver is working, going to try and see about mythtv now.

[12:19:16]

Kanashimi:

Failed to find channel... :/ Even though the channels numbers are listed when I use the arrow keys to pick one.

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puthre:

Kanashimi: so it's another problem now?

[12:20:52]

Kanashimi:

I guess ? It's like it doesn't know what the channel number is, even though it's right there showing it to me.

[12:21:20]

Kanashimi:

2006-06–09 15:20:43.480 Channel::GetCurrentChannelNum(): Failed to find Channel ''

[12:21:24]

Kanashimi:

2006-06–09 15:20:43.480 Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(): Error, failed to find channel.

[12:21:43]

puthre:

Kanashimi: maybe you set it up to do the external channel changing

[12:21:53]

Kanashimi:

Nah, I removed it.

[12:22:50]

puthre:

Kanashimi: then look into the database to see if the channel table is ok

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[12:23:21]

Kanashimi:

mysql -u mythtv -p ?

[12:23:36]

puthre:

yes, something like this

[12:30:22]

Kanashimi:

..were you going to continue ?

[12:31:01]

puthre:

Kanashimi: :) I don't have mythtv here so I cannot tell you exactly

[12:31:31]

Kanashimi:

Ah.. heh, I assumed from the 'this' (instead of 'that') that you were going to say something more.

[12:31:51]

puthre:

Kanashimi: but I know that there is a program table that should contain the channels and the frequencies

[12:32:13]

puthre:

Kanashimi: sorry :)

[12:32:27]

Kanashimi:

*Nods some* No worries. Hm.. my SQL is rusty..

[12:32:28]

** Beirdo does yet another tape restore **

[12:32:41]

Beirdo:

wonder why the other restore didn't get these files

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Juski:

laga: if you're here, I think we'll be patching the kernel

[12:38:06]

Kanashimi:

hmm.. mysqldump -u mythtv -p mythconverg > myth.sql

[12:39:00]

_nero_:

Hey Beirdo- CONGRATS!!! :)

[12:39:07]

Beirdo:

_nero_, thank ye :)

[12:39:18]

_nero_:

All went well I hope??

[12:39:23]

Beirdo:

pretty much

[12:39:29]

Beirdo:

the last week was utter mayhem

[12:39:29]

_nero_:

thats great!

[12:39:33]

Kanashimi:

Well as far as I can see (I'm not completely sure what all I'm supposed to be looking for) the channels are just fine in the database :/

[12:39:34]

Beirdo:

but that's to be expected

[12:39:38]

_nero_:

I'm sure! :)

[12:40:15]

Kanashimi:

They're also displayed (name, channel number) in mythtv when I use the arrow keys to pick a channel.

[12:40:21]

_nero_:

you liking the island life?

[12:40:33]

Beirdo:

hell, ya

[12:40:34]

Beirdo:

:)

[12:40:39]

_nero_:

haha.. I

[12:40:41]

_nero_:

er..

[12:40:45]

_nero_:

I'm jealous.. ;)

[12:41:03]

Beirdo:

I'm sure it's much nicer than Jersey :)

[12:41:29]

Beirdo:

I need to get my wireless crap fixed so I can sit outside to play on the computers

[12:41:32]

_nero_:

just a tad bit.. ;)

[12:41:32]

Beirdo:

hehe

[12:41:36]

Kanashimi:

But every time I try to change a channel I get... Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(): Error, failed to find channel. TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 23. :(

[12:41:39]

_nero_:

nice!! :)

[12:41:53]

Beirdo:

but I'm in an un-airconditioned room, currently with full sunlight, so..

[12:41:56]

_nero_:

(though once that first hurricane sweeps through, Jersey wont look too bad for a little while.. ;) )

[12:42:04]

Beirdo:

we installed 5 new ceiling fans

[12:42:18]

Beirdo:

yeah, hurricanes might be... interesting

[12:42:22]

Kanashimi:

The channel changing just isn't working at all.

[12:42:30]

_nero_:

you get enough wind to cool it off by opening all the windows?

[12:42:39]

puthre:

Kanashimi: I'm not sure about this, but I also have the FREQUENCIES in that table

[12:42:45]

Beirdo:

yeah, windows open + fans on, it's decent

[12:42:51]

Beirdo:

warm but decent

[12:42:55]

puthre:

Kanashimi: I'm not sure that you should have

[12:42:57]

_nero_:

thats good.

[12:43:15]

Beirdo:

this room is slated to get an 18000 BTU AC unit though

[12:43:32]

Beirdo:

once we set aside the $1500 or so it will cost

[12:43:39]

Kanashimi:

puthre: What do you mean ?

[12:44:02]

_nero_:

damn.. we have an 8000 BTU unit here that cools the whole place!! ;)

[12:44:06]

puthre:

Kanashimi: the tuner should go to a certain frequency for a certain channel

[12:44:12]

Beirdo:

heh

[12:44:31]

_nero_:

18000 and there'd be icicles hanging off the ceiling.. ;)

[12:44:34]

puthre:

Kanashimi: if you don't have them in the database, how will he tune to that channel?

[12:44:36]

Beirdo:

the master bedroom has an 18000, and it's barely sufficient for the room with the bathroom and closet doors closed

[12:44:37]

laga:

Juski: sounds nasty. good luck

[12:44:44]

_nero_:

and it would feel like canada.. ;)

[12:44:47]

Beirdo:

hehe

[12:44:54]

Juski:

laga: didn't work

[12:45:05]

laga:

Juski: why not?

[12:45:12]

Juski:

patch failed

[12:45:16]

puthre:

Kanashimi: isn't there a freq field in that table?

[12:45:17]

Beirdo:

well, it's often sunny here, and almost always HOT

[12:45:33]

Juski:

been reading the zenega forum some more & it seems people just breezed through the install of IEGD

[12:45:46]

Beirdo:

82.1F at 75% humidity

[12:45:48]

Beirdo:

yay

[12:45:53]

Kanashimi:

puthre: Channel number corresponds to a frequency.

[12:45:54]

laga:

Juski: yep.

[12:46:05]

Beirdo:

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweath . . . ?query=00646

[12:46:07]

laga:

Juski: patch failed? that's normal. ask greyfoxx for his updated patches

[12:46:09]

Beirdo:

for reference :)

[12:46:16]

_nero_:

Yeah... thats about what it was like in St. John too. (at least St. John was a smallish island, and there was always a real good wind coming off the ocean)

[12:46:33]

_nero_:

are you guys near the shore?

[12:46:33]

Beirdo:

yeah, our house is like 3–4 miles from the ocean

[12:46:40]

_nero_:

thats not too bad..

[12:46:43]

Beirdo:

her parents are 5 blocks off the beach

[12:46:45]

Beirdo:

:)

[12:46:50]

Kanashimi:

puthre: And I have the channel frequency table selected correctly.

[12:47:02]

Beirdo:

we are about half-way up a mountain or so. The breeze is decent here

[12:47:05]

Juski:

laga: but I thought the standard intel-agp was good enough anyway? I was thinking that it's the port stuff that wasn't working, so maybe agpgart had a part to play in that

[12:47:06]

_nero_:

been enjoying the bright blue caribean?

[12:47:17]

Beirdo:

the office gets breeze in through the windows most of the day

[12:47:19]

Beirdo:

heh, no

[12:47:25]

_nero_:

awww..

[12:47:33]

_nero_:

Are you guys near San Juan?

[12:47:35]

Beirdo:

we are on the Atlantic side, and I have been to the beach ONCE since May 1

[12:47:44]

_nero_:

doh!

[12:47:45]

Beirdo:

yeah, about 20min drive west of San Juan

[12:48:12]

Kanashimi:

puthre: So by all logic it should be able to switch channels, but :/

[12:48:16]

Beirdo:

I'll try to make time for the beach tomorrow, but with setting up the house, etc, it's likely gonna have to wait

[12:48:27]

Juski:

laga: one thing is clear... I can get into the manuals, so at least they're in the right places!

[12:48:27]

_nero_:

yeah.. that can be total craziness.

[12:48:36]

_nero_:

did your family come down for the wedding?

[12:48:41]

Beirdo:

yup

[12:48:46]

Beirdo:

it was great

[12:48:50]

_nero_:

they must have had a great time! :)

[12:48:51]

Beirdo:

and we FILLED the place

[12:48:55]

_nero_:

nice

[12:49:08]

Beirdo:

we had table space for 500 guests, and I think it was completely full

[12:49:22]

laga:

Juski: people say that intel-agp is good enough. wrt the ports stuff: looks like they call their output drivers for tv-out and so on ports drivers, eg the fs454.so one. i'm gonna see if my cable arrived now.

[12:49:45]

_nero_:

damn... we had 12 people at ours.. ;)

[12:50:01]

Beirdo:

heh

[12:50:09]

Juski:

laga: ah. I wonder where my fs454.so is now then

[12:50:12]

Beirdo:

yeah, well... all her family lives on this island pretty much

[12:50:15]

Kanashimi:

And if I try to use an external program to change the channel... it doesn't pass the channel number as an argument at all *sigh*.

[12:50:30]

_nero_:

Did you/are you guys taking a honeymoon? (Where do you honeymoon to when you are living on a tropical island??)

[12:50:41]

Juski:

lol

[12:50:46]

Beirdo:

heh

[12:50:56]

Beirdo:

we had our honeymoon in Puerto Rico, of course ;)

[12:51:03]

** Juski remembers his honeymoon. both of us got flu & it was miserable **

[12:51:06]

_nero_:

perfect!! :) hehe

[12:51:07]

Beirdo:

4 days at a beach resort, 3 days in the mountains

[12:51:10]

_nero_:

Juski, that sucks!!

[12:51:18]

_nero_:

nice!

[12:51:23]

Beirdo:

Juski, my condolences, that HAD to suck

[12:52:02]

Juski:

we had a 2nd one last year & acted like newlyweds everywhere ;-) it's nice having a villa with its own pool

[12:52:09]

Beirdo:

hehehe

[12:52:12]

Beirdo:

bastard :)

[12:52:33]

Beirdo:

we didn't have a private pool :(

[12:52:39]

Beirdo:

private jacuzzi, yes

[12:52:40]

Beirdo:

heh

[12:53:12]

_nero_:

we did the villa thing too.. was KEY.. ;)

[12:53:21]

Juski:

it was surprisingly cheap – and still came in at less than half the brochure price for a villa without pool

[12:53:26]

_nero_:

Well, gotta run, but congrats again Beirdo!! Live it up man!!

[12:53:28]

Beirdo:

nice

[12:53:39]

_nero_:

glad to hear it all went great!

[12:53:40]

Beirdo:

I will, _nero_. And happy anniversary :)

[12:53:41]

Kanashimi:

It does know the channel numbers to pass to the changing as well in the normal mode obviously, but it just mysteriously fails :/ And if I use the external.. it doesn't pass the channel number.

[12:53:49]

_nero_:

Thanks!! :D

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Beirdo:

we picked the same day, how odd :)

[12:54:14]

Juski:

Kanashimi: the field it passes is FREQID iirc

[12:54:28]

laga:

Juski: i've got it.

[12:54:31]

_nero_:

Yeah.. small world.. (well. I guess it is a 1/365.25 chance.. ;) )

[12:54:36]

Beirdo:

yup :)

[12:54:52]

Juski:

laga: well, you go fix the driver & email me everything :-P

[12:55:12]

laga:

Juski: no, i go pick up the girlfriend. this sucks. :/

[12:55:26]

Juski:

/usr/lib/modules/fs454.so

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Kanashimi:

Juski: Hmm... oh ? Someone should rewrite the description then because it explicitly says 'The first argument will be the channel number.' *blinks*

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Beirdo:

laga, that "this" better not refer to the girlfriend...

[12:55:58]

laga:

Juski: i'll have to make the thingie do PXE first anyways.

[12:56:06]

Juski:

heh

[12:56:09]

laga:

Beirdo: no, i was talking about me not being able to hack today.

[12:56:15]

Beirdo:

whew.

[12:56:21]

Beirdo:

she'd be happy to hear that

[12:56:37]

Kanashimi:

Ok.. I think... give me a moment, I think that might solve it. The freqid fields seem empty so I'll fill them in.

[12:56:50]

laga:

well, she will tell me to do it – even if she doesn't really like it. it'll be hard to resist

[12:56:54]

Beirdo:

time to setup squid once again

[12:57:08]

Beirdo:

woman > computers

[12:57:24]

Juski:

laga: would the fs454.so module go in/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions or just the modules dir?

[12:57:24]

laga:

Beirdo: yep.

[12:57:42]

laga:

Juski: i have no f'ing clue. time to for some symlink action to find out, i suppose

[12:57:44]

GreyFoxx:

Laga : Are you using the IEGD Linux driver ?

[12:58:02]

laga:

GreyFoxx: i'm going to, yes. juski is already trying to make it work

[12:58:14]

GreyFoxx:

Cool

[12:58:30]

GreyFoxx:

I finally got ?TV outworking with the unsupported encoder the other day on the msntv units

[12:58:35]

Juski:

trying, being the operative word

[12:58:44]

laga:

GreyFoxx: nice

[12:58:44]

GreyFoxx:

the more of these little embedded frontends we can get going the better :)

[12:58:58]

laga:

:)

[12:59:03]

Kanashimi:

Ahh.. there we go, that fixed it. Now it's changing the channels properly :) I didn't realize I had to fill in the channel number at two different places.

[12:59:04]

Juski:

lemme just get this going, then we can say it's going ;-)

[12:59:15]

GreyFoxx:

laga: Took lots of datasheet reading, and writing tools to dump the vga registers and figuring out whatthey actually were hehe

[12:59:26]

laga:

GreyFoxx: sounds like a lot of annoying work ;)

[12:59:35]

Juski:

all I need to do is get xorg to load the fscking modules right

[12:59:39]

GreyFoxx:

It was, but now it's working

[13:00:03]

Kanashimi:

Thanks for all the help puthre, Juski :)

[13:00:38]

Juski:

Kanashimi: great – now you can fix this intel binary driver stuff for me :-P

[13:02:06]

Kanashimi:

Juski: Heh :) Doesn't sound like an area I would have played in too much, wouldn't mind helping if I knew though :)

[13:03:27]

VlivE:

anyone get tosvcd to compile on a 64bit

[13:03:27]

VlivE:

<VlivE> http://pastebin.com/769884

[13:03:27]

VlivE:

<VlivE> error + file, + depends – inttypes.h

[13:03:27]

VlivE:

<VlivE> please help

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: I can do you up a tarball of the IEGD driver I installed on my box whcih you can just untar under /usr/X11R6 ifit would help

[13:05:31]

GreyFoxx:

everything is in place and working

[13:05:37]

Ubongo:

hi all

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[13:06:27]

** laga shudders **

[13:06:36]

laga:

world championship starting today

[13:07:29]

Ubongo:

I have an ExpressVu 4100 STB (code 1_28)....where do I enter this code so that I can channels on the STB using the Hauppage PVR150 IR blaster?

[13:07:47]

Ubongo:

change channels*

[13:11:14]

laga:

Juski: so what's the key for getting into the bios?

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[13:13:52]

Beirdo:

laga, use a chisel and a hammer

[13:14:04]

Beirdo:

hhe

[13:14:10]

laga:

Beirdo: no, i'm gonna save that for X

[13:15:07]

Beirdo:

fair enough

[13:15:17]

Beirdo:

oh. Hahahah

[13:15:19]

Beirdo:

I suck

[13:15:42]

Beirdo:

I forgot I have to EDIT the squid.conf file

[13:15:49]

Beirdo:

!trout

[13:15:49]

** MythLogBot dumps a bucket of trout onto Beirdo **

[13:17:30]

Juski:

laga: DEL

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Juski:

don't forget to unplug the front panel though

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Juski:

unless you have a USB keyboard ;-)

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** Juski googles for vt7 **

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Juski:

laga: I can't tell from here too well, but I just got X to start & stay up.. it had errors but it started

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stuarta:

afternoon alll

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Juski:

afternoon stuarta

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Kanashimi:

There we go.. mythtv running properly now with ivtv-0.6.2 (The ivtv-0.6.1 was having problems), enabled the XVideo extension as well and it's running smooth now :)

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puthre:

Kanashimi: hmm, so it does work for you to change channels in ivtv with 0.6.2?

[13:30:41]

Kanashimi:

puthre: Yeah, it's working fine now for changing channels now that the second channel number field is filled in too.

[13:31:54]

Kanashimi:

The ivtv 0.6.1 that we built acted pretty glitchy.

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puthre:

Kanashimi: ok, I will tell hverkuil about that

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Kanashimi:

*Small smile and a nod* I hope they will get their system working too :)

[13:33:56]

Kanashimi:

While mythbackend is running, recordings should take place as scheduled ? No need to run recordserver or what was it called in specific ?

[13:34:03]

puthre:

Kanashimi: it seems that there will be a new release of ivtv this weekend

[13:34:33]

Kanashimi:

Oh ? Interesting. Well, this version seems to be working fine for me now so I think I'll leave it be unless theres something really critical there :)

[13:35:28]

puthre:

Kanashimi: I don't know exactly whats new, but hverkuil is planning this

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Kanashimi:

Hmm *nods some* suppose I might check it out later on to see what's changed.

[13:38:29]

laga:

Juski awesome.

[13:39:11]

Juski:

laga: I still get the portctl errors though

[13:41:18]

Juski:

I think I need to patch intel-agp

[13:41:48]

Juski:

which ain't happenning without something later than what I've got

[13:42:10]

Juski:

still getting (EE) Failed to load module "portctl" (module does not exist, 0)

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laga:

f'ing bios.

[13:42:53]

Juski:

lol. been there

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laga:

fscking annoying

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Kanashimi:

Anyways, take care everyone and good luck. Thanks for the work on the mythtv project too.

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Juski:

laga: how different from gentoo is slackware in terms of where xorg files live?

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Juski:

ls /mnt/usbflash/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions – that's where libiegdctl.a is on the zenslack

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Juski:

and libportctl.a

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GreyFoxx:

Weird

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GreyFoxx:

I installed all of that manually using the IEGD document

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GreyFoxx:

and nothing went into any "Extensions" directory

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laga:

Juski: i can't really answer that.

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laga:

Juski: what's your secret recipe for getting into the BIOS?

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Beirdo:

hmmm, what to do with this iPaq (small desktop computer)

[13:52:34]

Beirdo:

it has a Celeron 500 with 128MB RAM, 4G hard drive

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stuarta:

linux it.....

[13:52:45]

Beirdo:

oh, and no CDROM

[13:52:46]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

got Win98SE on it right now

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GreyFoxx:

Give it away to someone who can't afford a PC or a local school :)

[13:53:11]

Beirdo:

heh, screw that

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Beirdo:

toys :)

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stuarta:

if it's heavy enough, you could press flowers with it....

[13:53:25]

Beirdo:

I might Linux it

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stuarta:

don't you need a new firewall?

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Beirdo:

but it would need to be a netboot install

[13:53:57]

Beirdo:

I have a new firewall, it's a Sun Ultra5

[13:54:06]

Beirdo:

and this iPaq has no PCI slots

[13:54:13]

Beirdo:

so would suck as a firewall :)

[13:54:30]

stuarta:

it's harder to hack something whose architecture isn't x86..

[13:54:42]

Beirdo:

generally, yeah

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Beirdo:

sparc64 version of OpenBSD

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Beirdo:

if only the iPaq had PCI or AGP slots, I MIGHT try to make a frontend with it

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Beirdo:

it's a bit gutless for that, but I might be able to convince it with enough sledgehammer techniques :)

[13:57:22]

Beirdo:

but no TV out...

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Beirdo:

ick

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UbAh:

use it as a honey pot

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eidolon:

mm honeypot.

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GreyFoxx:

Heh we've done that a couple times at the office.

[14:01:17]

GreyFoxx:

Using windowsmachines

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eidolon:

hey, so my dvd player is throwing device errors and xine won't start... is this the indication ofa bad dvd player?

[14:01:37]

GreyFoxx:

invariablly they end up hacked and filled with pr0n, movies or warez

[14:01:39]

eidolon:

example pending

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Beirdo:

woohoo, call it "freeporn"

[14:02:03]

stuarta:

GreyFoxx: sounds like an easy way to get a pr0n collection

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eidolon:

http://pastebin.com/769970

[14:02:19]

Beirdo:

I think my in-laws would thoroughly disapprove

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Beirdo:

heh

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eidolon:

any suggestions? this is an -oooold- dvd player, but i want to get an opinion before i go out and buy another one.

[14:03:43]

GreyFoxx:

stuarta: exactly :)

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UbAh:

I know what to do with it use it to run brute force runs at your network and see how long it takes to get lucky

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** eidolon nudges folks about the pastebin comment on the dvd drive. **

[14:10:08]

Juski:

laga: is your monitor waking up?

[14:10:17]

Juski:

I mean when you 1st power the box on?

[14:10:37]

Juski:

press DEL as soon as it does – just once should be enough

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Beirdo:

stuarta, I can PXE netboot it, so I guess I can linuxize the beotch

[14:12:23]

eidolon:

btw, thanks for folks' help on setting up the hdtv monitor via vga lastnight... it's working beyooootifully. and big. and high res. :)

[14:17:43]

laga:

Juski: yes, the monitor wakes up – but it shows me "starting CE" then

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Juski:

laga: what I did was unplug the DOM, then power the unit up without the front panel connected by pressing the little switch next to the ATX PSU connector

[14:19:06]

laga:

Juski: i'll try that. unplugging the DOM might be a smart idea.

[14:19:11]

Juski:

wait about 3 sec, then press DEL, or press DEL repeatedly after your KB lights up

[14:19:25]

Juski:

or CTRL ALT DEL works when it fails to find CE

[14:19:50]

Juski:

your monitor should stay on that way and you'll see the BIOS message

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laga:

the KB lights up when CE boots here – but well, it can't boot without the DOM :)

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** Juski unmerges xorg **

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eidolon:

what machine is this? a wince machine?

[14:21:13]

laga:

eidolon: yes, an IPTV STB

[14:21:17]

Juski:

eidolon: you never asked that

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eidolon:

ah, dunno what that is.

[14:21:59]

** eidolon googles. **

[14:22:10]

Juski:

google for t-online s100

[14:22:11]

eidolon:

ah

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laga:

eidolon: t-online vision s100. see serve.mythwiki.de for gnomey pictures

[14:22:21]

eidolon:

no, i found it. a linux set tob box?

[14:22:26]

eidolon:

er. no,

[14:22:28]

** eidolon stfu. **

[14:22:30]

Juski:

or look here: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/s100/

[14:23:04]

eidolon:

soyou making this a new front end?

[14:23:09]

Juski:

yep

[14:23:12]

eidolon:

cool.

[14:23:17]

eidolon:

what sort of horsepower does it have?

[14:23:29]

eidolon:

i'm getting SFF Dell PC's – 800mghz boxen, for about $35 on ebay nowadays.

[14:23:37]

laga:

733mhz celeron mobile, 128mb ram

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** eidolon nods. **

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eidolon:

edgy for doing 1024x768, yes?

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jams:

hey thats more mhz then my tablet pc

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eidolon:

you dont drive an HDTV with your tablet :)

[14:24:20]

eidolon:

or maybe you do :)

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** laga 's gotta go **

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Juski:

eidolon: 1024x768 is not an SDTV resolution

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eidolon:

pff. sdtv.

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jams:

eidolon- I doin't it's a nice mp3 player + control

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laga:

1024x768 is not really HDTV either ;)

[14:25:04]

eidolon:

true. :)

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Juski:

heheh

[14:25:21]

eidolon:

but it's what i have atm :) i can't afford 'leet 1024p units. i have my 'sad!' 720p monitor :)

[14:25:25]

Juski:

never mind not _really_.. it ISN'T – end of story

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laga:

g2g, laters

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Juski:

1024p?

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eidolon:

but it's 50 HUGE HONKIN INCHES, baybee.

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Juski:

later laga

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eidolon:

sorry, 1080p.

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Juski:

1080p is where it's at

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** eidolon mixes up resolutions **

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kdag:

so, im trying to get to run mythtv under gentoo with no avail, this is the error: http://pastebin.com/770013 plase help me understand what can i do :S

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darthy:

i still have a problem with mpeg2 hardware decoding on my epia m10000 and minimyth. audio drops out very fast and when i start playback audio is off for about 2–10 secs while the video is playing back way too fast.. then after 2–10 secs audio is playing back and video is syncing by slowing down fps until audio is in sync, then both play fine until i rewind/forward or switch channels.. then all the crap is beginning once more.. does anyon

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Beirdo:

transplanted in the 40G drive from my crushed asterisk box

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Beirdo:

oh, wooops

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Beirdo:

forgot I had it set for serial console

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Beirdo:

good thing it booted OK

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Beirdo:

hehe

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eidolon:

crushed?

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Beirdo:

yeah, Canada Post destroyed it in shipping

[14:33:49]

Beirdo:

but the drive is still good

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Beirdo:

Seagate++

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Beirdo:

oh hell

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eidolon:

suck.

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Beirdo:

different NIC, and I built-in the NIC drivers

[14:35:43]

Beirdo:

hehe

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octavious:

hmm, i'm having some issues getting channel icons from zap2it, has anyone been able to get this to work successfully

[14:42:21]

octavious:

it may very well be that zap2it has changed their layout, and tv_grab_na_icons is set up to use the old layout, but i'm not 100% sure

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eidolon:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/planet-geek/163635489/ <-- new monitor up and running. *bounces*

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** stuarta oooo's **

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Merlin83b:

Context man! Context! Put something of a known size in frame, that could be a 5" screen for all we know!

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** stuarta points to the window, light stand, table & computer on table in photo... **

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** Beirdo recompiles a kernel on the gentoo box **

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Beirdo:

the little crap box now has the drive from my busted asterisk box in it

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Beirdo:

and is happily compiling a kernel ;)

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** Juski re-emerges xorg-x11 **

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Juski:

in the backrgound, so if the ssh connection times out (which it does).. the emerge will continue ;-)

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darthy:

i still have a problem with mpeg2 hardware decoding on my epia m10000 and minimyth. audio drops out very fast and when i start playback audio is off for about 2–10 secs while the video is playing back way too fast.. then after 2–10 secs audio is playing back and video is syncing by slowing down fps until audio is in sync, then both play fine until i rewind/forward or switch channels.. then all the crap is beginning once more.. does anyon

[15:12:33]

Juski:

does anyone know why darthy keeps asking that question every 5 minutes?

[15:12:51]

Juski:

darthy: have you tried the minimyth forum?

[15:12:52]

darthy:

:)

[15:13:02]

darthy:

nop

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Juski:

www.linpvr.org/forum/ iirc

[15:13:25]

darthy:

btw.. its was NOT every 5 mins.. i didnt want to spam

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** jams can't stand meeting happy people **

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Juski:

minimyth isn't a very well known distro – even less so here. if I had a clue (even about your problem) I'd say so ;-)

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jams:

I sent one email asking for another ip address and now I have a 2 hour meeting with 5 other people

[15:14:48]

darthy:

ill post a msg on linpvr then..

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Juski:

darthy: how much ram do you have in your epia system? I've never seen the issue you have. i use 512MB

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** Juski prints out a 125 page driver document **

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Juski:

oops 190 page

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stuarta:

Juski: you should use screen for doing things in the background

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darthy:

Juski > 256mb ram

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darthy:

but software decoders work just fine!

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darthy:

only viaXvmc is producing this problem with audio drops

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Juski:

stuarta: screen?

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** Juski mans screen **

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Juski:

oops

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stuarta:

it's the ducks nuts when it comes to maintaining remote logins

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Juski:

I'll see how I faire with emerge <blah> &

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stuarta:

virtual terminals through one ssh connection, ability to disconnect and reconnect your sessions.

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stuarta:

ie. when you go from your desk to your lab, disconnect, login from lab, reconnect & nobody would be the wiser.

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Juski:

I think that my emerge & might not work when the connection disappears – the user won't be logged in anymore, so won't the process be killed automatically?

[15:35:18]

stuarta:

yup.

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opello:

you might get away with sending it nohup though?

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** Juski is confused now **

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qu0zl:

nohup'ing it should work, but screen is better

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opello:

right

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stuarta:

what they said

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lucas123:

juski, listen to stuarta :).. screen is incredibly helpful.

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Juski:

I'm not fussed about having to re-login again for my irc stuff

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opello:

but if your conection drops while you're emerging something, it kind of sucks

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Juski:

just bothered about when I open an ssh session & start a big emerge...

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qu0zl:

put 'nohup' before the cmd, and '&' after it and logout. then log back in. it should still be running away

[15:37:52]

qu0zl:

or use screen. screen's great

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Juski:

I just logged out & back in.. emerge is still going

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qu0zl:

cool

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Juski:

that was just my emerge xorg-x11 &

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qu0zl:

programs can chose to ignore SIGHUP, maybe the emerge developers figured a lot of ppl would background it and logout

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Juski:

this intel doc is gonna take some reading through :-/

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Juski:

okay. now I realise I'm totally in over my head

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: you around?

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Merlin83b:

Beer o'clock.

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** Beirdo bashes his head against the wall **

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Beirdo:

what did I fuck up now? NTP won't work

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: I agree :)

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** Juski agress but can do sod all about it **

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** stuarta has 10minutes to wait **

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stuarta:

thankfully I had beer for lunch

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Juski:

I think I know what was missing from my messing. no export of ld_library_path

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dev:

hrm zap2it still hasnt fixed the program ids

[17:09:47]

dev:

a bunch of them are still only 4 digits instead of the 8 or whatever its supposed to be

[17:09:54]

dev:

and no response from my email to them :(

[17:10:30]

Juski:

they don't like mythtv users much ya know

[17:10:52]

Juski:

or rather – you're _tolerated_

[17:11:40]

dev:

but im always so nice to them ;/

[17:11:58]

opello:

maybe that's why there's a survey every 3 months now instead of 6+

[17:13:05]

** Juski lives in the land of the free (tv guide data) :-P **

[17:13:18]

Juski:

for the time being at least...

[17:14:56]

dev:

id be willing to pay a small fee to zap2it if they decided to charge

[17:15:07]

gutano:

shhhhh

[17:15:08]

dev:

but then id expect a months worth of listings..

[17:15:21]

dev:

gutano: hey, a small fee for 4weeks worth of data wouold be worth it no?

[17:15:33]

opello:

isn't there already a pay-for service?

[17:15:41]

dev:

commercial only i think?

[17:15:47]

gutano:

their marketing people might be listening (you are correct, but they don't need to know that)

[17:15:52]

gutano:

hehe

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opello:

i thought it was released with 18.1

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dev:

hm i dunno

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opello:

'lxm suite'?

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jams:

the lxmsuite data service no longer is available. Seems there was not enough interest

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dev:

that would be why i cant find anything, opk

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dev:

er ok

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dev:

heh

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opello:

ahh

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opello:

i just went to the changelog, heh

[17:23:58]

jams:

the cost of the data far exceeded the income from the people that signed up

[17:24:05]

opello:

ah

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jams:

shame as I really enjoyed the movie data and not needing to take a survey

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Beirdo:

heh.

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Beirdo:

well if they'd offered service to Canada they would have gotten some money from me

[17:26:18]

dev:

Program ID: EP2254

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dev:

i really hope they fix this soon heh

[17:26:27]

jams:

its my understanding that Canada cost extra.

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Beirdo:

it probably did

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Beirdo:

but I wasn't gonna pay for "service" that didn't include me :)

[17:27:04]

dev:

sounds reasonable :)

[17:27:04]

jams:

dev send them an email, they do pay attention.

[17:27:10]

dev:

jams: i did, no response

[17:27:13]

dev:

(yesterday)

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dev:

lineups@zap2it.com right?

[17:27:51]

dev:

found that on the zap2it forums.

[17:29:17]

jams:

hmm, doesn't look like the email address I was thinking of

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dev:

might i trouble you for the address you were thinking of?

[17:31:08]

jams:

dev..looking for it

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dev:

thanks

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jams:

sorry, cant find it

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BengalBorn:

xris: thanks for the help yesterday. I've used mythweb exclusively since and it does very well

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BengalBorn:

xris: some places the pop up doesn't show thoug

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BengalBorn:

xris: but that's pretty minor

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BengalBorn:

I configured low-quality profile to 320x240 expecting the captured file size to be much smaller (PVR-350). How can I do that?

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BengalBorn:

since it wasn't

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Kelerion:

morning all

[17:58:41]

BengalBorn:

pretty quiet so far. it's afternoon here tho

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BengalBorn:

;)

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Kelerion:

it's 7pm here.. I just say morning out of habit :)

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BengalBorn:

lol

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** Kelerion has never claimed normality **

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** BengalBorn would never accuse **

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Kelerion:

am plesaed with myself at the moment though.. just finished my first every network install of a linux (ubuntu) pc..

[18:00:05]

Kelerion:

my wife wanted it on her laptop but it's got a dicky cdrom

[18:00:41]

BengalBorn:

I did that with breezy since the d/l was so much smaller.

[18:00:49]

Kelerion:

took me about an hour to figure out tftp and dhcp.. and it screwed up the rest of my network while I was doing it.. but it's all working now :)

[18:00:51]

BengalBorn:

I went back to fedora tho

[18:01:35]

BengalBorn:

my firewall box provides DHCP. I don't remember having to do any tftp stuff. it was a while ago though

[18:01:40]

Kelerion:

previously she had xp on it.. and I had to take out the hd.. plug it into a desktop.. make it bootable and copy the xp cdrom on to it.. then put it in and install it

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BengalBorn:

ahhh, instead of using its cdrom to install XP. gotcha. what a buggered deal

[18:03:25]

Kelerion:

the laptop belonged to a customer of mine.. and he was gonna lob it outta the window because he couldn't install xp on it.. so I said I'd have it.. it's nothing special.. athlon 1800+ xp.. but it works enough for the missus :)

[18:04:24]

BengalBorn:

my company tried to give me a laptop so we could be more productive and maybe get some things off hours..... I made them give me a workstation.

[18:04:38]

BengalBorn:

I can't type on a laptop so don't even use one

[18:05:24]

Kelerion:

I have a workstation.. but I prefer the flexibility of my laptop so I tend to work on that the most.. I love being able to sit in the garden with it and work (I work from home)

[18:06:17]

Kelerion:

I'm the same as you though.. I can't type a quick on the laptop compared to the desktop.. but it's a small sacrifice :)

[18:06:17]

BengalBorn:

I'm hoping to go that way. got laid off this year.

[18:06:25]

BengalBorn:

lol

[18:06:51]

Kelerion:

what is it you worked as?

[18:07:36]

BengalBorn:

I have a corn field behind me and a lot of trees. not really a garden, per se, but I could get used to sitting out there like that.

[18:07:48]

BengalBorn:

well, it gets cold here in the winter (IA)

[18:08:00]

Kelerion:

ahh.. am in the uk here

[18:08:03]

BengalBorn:

J2EE mostly. Weblogic. Java

[18:08:33]

Kelerion:

never touched java in my life... looks too complicated.. I'm mainly a php guy

[18:09:20]

BengalBorn:

I latched onto Java in its early days. The API was manageble then ;)

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Kelerion:

btw.. has anyone noticed sun are giving away free servers for 2 months trials? lol

[18:09:36]

BengalBorn:

and a lot of layoffs

[18:10:52]

Kelerion:

and the new dapper works on them

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BengalBorn:

sparc ??

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Kelerion:

yup.. the new T1000 and T2000 servers

[18:14:15]

BengalBorn:

it seems Ubuntu (I forget the company name) is trying hard to get into the enterprise space.

[18:14:46]

Kelerion:

canonical.. yup.. I was listening to an interview with Mark Shuttleworth on lugradio yesterday... that seems his plan

[18:15:32]

BengalBorn:

canonical, yeah that's it. I'd say Shuttleworth has the resources to make some interesting noise.

[18:15:40]

BengalBorn:

and no doubt Ubuntu has proven its worth

[18:15:45]

Kelerion:

definately

[18:16:17]

BengalBorn:

pretty much everything on my FC5 works, but still I'm tempted.

[18:16:20]

Kelerion:

I'm quite confident running it as a server.. I have my inhouse webservers and mailservers and mythbackend's running on it.. and the frontends too

[18:16:39]

Kelerion:

it's the speed that gets me.. just seems damn quick

[18:16:53]

BengalBorn:

they don't offer it as "hardened" though do thay?

[18:17:07]

Kelerion:

not really no

[18:17:33]

BengalBorn:

that's relative of course.

[18:17:45]

** BengalBorn offers gratuitous MS defamation **

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Kelerion:

but if you stick to standard repos.. and your firewall is setup alright.. I'd say it can compete with most distros

[18:18:22]

Kelerion:

and it is based on debian.. so it's not exactly a new distro

[18:18:38]

BengalBorn:

while I was running Breezy I noticed their patch release was at least as often as Fedoras

[18:18:59]

BengalBorn:

lots of apps available too

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Kelerion:

I'd say so yeah.. I'm running *everything* experimental on my laptop.. and it's 20–50 updates per day..

[18:19:41]

Kelerion:

those apt repos are huge

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BengalBorn:

I guess I like fedora since the newest is more likely to be available. but thats just my personal workstation here at home.

[18:20:13]

Kelerion:

I even have the new xgl/compiz stuff running on it.. and *damn* thats a sexy desktop

[18:20:21]

BengalBorn:

:)

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BengalBorn:

ok, that's the nerdism of the day for me lol

[18:20:49]

BengalBorn:

and *damn* thats a sexy desktop

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** Kelerion laughs **

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BengalBorn:

I'm confuse just what the xgl stuff is all about. seems akin to XP's window dressing. means more CPU is used to make flashy effects.

[18:22:07]

BengalBorn:

but, I'm ignorant, like I said

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Kelerion:

nope.. the graphics card does all the processing

[18:22:33]

Kelerion:

so yeah.. you need a decent graphics card

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BengalBorn:

lots of ram on it

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Kelerion:

mines 128.. so not high-end gaming card or anything.. it's a 6600-Go

[18:23:43]

BengalBorn:

mines a shared-ram thing built into the mboard

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Kelerion:

Intel one?

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BengalBorn:

yeah

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BengalBorn:

Dell dimension 2400n

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Kelerion:

not sure about that.. I know if you can get 3d acceleration I think it works

[18:24:49]

BengalBorn:

it's fast for the stuff I do. even plays lincity just fine. but I'm not much into games

[18:25:27]

Kelerion:

me either.. am kinda getting hooked on secondlife.. but thats not so much a game.. and they have a worked linux client too.. was using it last night

[18:25:48]

BengalBorn:

so never cared about the graphics. its AGP but Dell shipped it without the AGP socket installed. bastards

[18:25:58]

Kelerion:

lol

[18:26:10]

BengalBorn:

I signed up for second life but cant run it

[18:26:38]

Kelerion:

am looking at getting my wife a new dell when we get back from hols and getting a dell delivered to my sister in spain for when we get there

[18:26:56]

Kelerion:

it'll be the first dell I've ever bought

[18:27:43]

BengalBorn:

Dell reduced the Dimension line. mines a P4 @ 2.6 GHz but recent Dimensions are Celeron

[18:28:01]

dev:

yay! republicans voting down net neutrality!

[18:28:09]

dev:

who the hell would want the net to be equal for all anyway

[18:28:13]

dev:

i mean thats so anti-democratic!

[18:28:15]

dev:

sigh.

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dev:

i fucking hate my country sometimes

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BengalBorn:

dev: ditto :P

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BengalBorn:

just kidding

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** Kelerion is glad he doesn't *do* politics **

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dev:

Of the 421 House members who participated in the vote that took place around 6:30 p.m. PT, the vast majority of Net neutrality supporters were Democrats. Republicans represented most of the opposition.

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** BengalBorn wonders what polotics means in an old dead empire like the uk **

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dev:

fortunately im not a republican

[18:29:34]

dev:

if i was, id want to shoot myself

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BengalBorn:

dev: I seriously doubt that Democrats would have a different agenda. The net will be tiered. bet on it.

[18:32:12]

dev:

um, the democrats supported net neutrality

[18:32:24]

dev:

apparently they have a very different agenda than the republicans

[18:32:53]

BengalBorn:

if they were majority I think they're proposals would still entail a general partitioning of the internet

[18:33:03]

BengalBorn:

imo

[18:33:47]

dev:

we'll never know about that speculative argument will we. what we do know, is that hte republicans are against net neutrality, and for taxing sites that do any decent amount of traffic

[18:34:11]

dev:

i hope verizon burns if they try to enforce something like this

[18:34:30]

dev:

at least i didnt see my cable provider on the list of anti-neutral

[18:35:07]

dev:

google's already told verizon to f-off. what are they going to do, cut off their users from google?

[18:35:10]

dev:

bwahah.. right..

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** BengalBorn is a reformed republican **

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BengalBorn:

so I don't have to shoot myself, do I? ;)

[18:36:31]

dev:

what does that mean... that you were dumb enough to be duped by bush's bullshit in both elections? that were you duped into supporting a war with no factual evidence or legal basis?

[18:36:46]

dev:

you were one of those people that told me i was anti-american a few years ago

[18:36:54]

BengalBorn:

don't get hostile. If I want hostile I'll call my wife

[18:36:56]

dev:

but now you support the same stance as me, just took you a few years to figure it out eh

[18:37:05]

dev:

not being hostile, just realistic :P

[18:37:46]

BengalBorn:

if it helps to grind your axe against me that's fine

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dev:

hindsights always 20/20, but sometimes you have to analyse and question whats right in front of you.

[18:38:04]

opello:

where's the list?

[18:38:44]

dev:

opello: http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6081882.html lists a couple

[18:39:08]

BengalBorn:

dev: *I* never said you were anything, least of all anti american

[18:39:15]

dev:

im nots ure if you can just google for it or not, but the companies have been sporatically listed over the last few weeks

[18:39:37]

opello:

hm, why would google and friends support this? wanting to be extorted? i must not understand the idea they're going for

[18:39:40]

BengalBorn:

dev: *I* never said you were anything, least of all anti American

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dev:

BengalBorn: i didnt say *you* personally, i said 'you were one of those people' — i know many republicans who are now saying the same shit i said years ago — why, i dont know, because its popular now? and it wasnt then? i dunno.

[18:40:24]

dev:

opello: google support net neutrality

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opello:

ohhh

[18:40:28]

dev:

supports

[18:40:38]

opello:

haha, i was thinking the inverse

[18:40:48]

dev:

hehe

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** opello goes back to work, can't think political crap **

[18:41:27]

dev:

its just unfortunate that this is what the USA is turning into

[18:41:37]

dev:

pretty sad country if you ask me.

[18:41:56]

BengalBorn:

dev: what is net neutrality though? I mean, it sounds like a great concept. But, at the backbone level there are tradeoffs.

[18:42:05]

dev:

clinton gets impeached for getting a little sucky sucky under the table in the oval office. bush makes up intelligence to invade a country, yet he's still in office

[18:42:15]

dev:

oh wait, clinton lied right, thats why he got impeached.... bush hasnt lied right! :)

[18:42:30]

opello:

if we could tell what bush was saying, maybe we could tell if he lied :)

[18:42:32]

dev:

BengalBorn: there's plenty of information on what the net neutrality bill was

[18:42:50]

dev:

at the basics, its keeping it the way it is now heh

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BengalBorn:

is that really doable? do you think Democrats would be different?

[18:43:30]

dev:

but thats not good for the republicans, because they want to find a way to make more money for their campaign contributors... verizon wants money from google and amazon because 'alot of users go there'

[18:43:43]

dev:

Of the 421 House members who participated in the vote that took place around 6:30 p.m. PT, the vast majority of Net neutrality supporters were Democrats. Republicans represented most of the opposition.

[18:43:44]

speedsix:

Hi all

[18:43:54]

dev:

BengalBorn: doesnt that say democrats supportede net neutrality?>

[18:43:57]

dev:

i think it does.

[18:44:05]

opello:

dev: you have a link to the results of the vote?

[18:44:14]

opello:

who voted which way, etc?

[18:44:16]

dev:

i already basted the news.com article

[18:44:18]

dev:

didnt read it?

[18:44:21]

dev:

pasted

[18:44:31]

opello:

i meant something like the log from the house voting machine

[18:44:37]

dev:

lol..

[18:44:46]

opello:

i wanted to see which way my people voted :p

[18:45:05]

dev:

they dont vote by machine :P

[18:45:37]

opello:

how dose headline news get numbers so quickly?

[18:46:01]

dev:

the vote was yesterday

[18:46:07]

dev:

6:30pm PT

[18:46:10]

dev:

read the article :P

[18:46:10]

opello:

right, cnn headline news sometimes shows votes

[18:46:14]

opello:

and has the numbers on the tv

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BengalBorn:

dev: if the vote were a foregone conclusion and if the bill were written in a way that fractured the debate, then no, it doesn't mean Democrats supported what you want.

[18:47:15]

dev:

you know, you really must be a republican

[18:47:16]

BengalBorn:

I'm not familiar with the bills language

[18:47:16]

dev:

you talk just like one

[18:47:21]

dev:

then read it

[18:47:24]

dev:

its linked right on the page lol

[18:48:38]

dev:

the short version, <verizon> amazon makes alot of money, alot of my users go there, why dont i get any money for users that go there.. thats not fair, i want more money

[18:49:35]

BengalBorn:

personally, I think the backbone should be nationalized

[18:49:47]

dev:

whats wrong with the way it is now

[18:49:53]

dev:

doesnt look broke to me.

[18:50:06]

BengalBorn:

ipv6 for one

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BengalBorn:

internet has become a national concern

[18:50:41]

dev:

if you believe the myth of running out of ipv4 addresses

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BengalBorn:

that verizon "owns" some physical cable and hardware, despite the public monies given to create it, is really irrelevent

[18:51:49]

BengalBorn:

there are many advantages to ipv6 beyone address space

[18:54:36]

BengalBorn:

I'd be strongly in favor of a Constitutional Ammendment to guaratee access to *all* that is on the internet

[18:55:05]

BengalBorn:

that may not be a Republican stance. but I said I was reformed ;)

[18:56:19]

BengalBorn:

but I doubt either party holds planks that include open access or guranteed access. imo

[18:56:27]

** Beirdo yawns **

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** laga chucks a wireless mouse at beirdo **

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Beirdo:

you will never get access to ALL that's on the internet. Not as long as the military is connected to the internet

[18:57:16]

BengalBorn:

good point

[18:57:58]

BengalBorn:

so by association posturing on net whatever is rather disingenusous, heh

[18:58:49]

BengalBorn:

so anyway... about recording profiles...

[18:59:05]

BengalBorn:

I configured low-quality profile to 320x240 expecting the captured file size to be much smaller (PVR-350). How can I do that?

[19:00:06]

Beirdo:

also drop the bitrate

[19:00:16]

Beirdo:

the bitrate alone determines the filesize

[19:00:19]

BengalBorn:

any guidelines on that?

[19:00:38]

Beirdo:

the resolution determines how good the video will be at a particular bitrate

[19:01:04]

BengalBorn:

I was using http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.ht . . . _resolution_

[19:01:06]

Beirdo:

well, if you dropped the resolution by 50%, try dropping bitrate by 50% as a starter

[19:01:09]

Beirdo:

then fiddle

[19:01:15]

BengalBorn:

k

[19:01:40]

BengalBorn:

then fiddle. well, that's why I'm here. to find out from the best about how to fiddle :)

[19:01:48]

Beirdo:

hehe

[19:02:06]

Beirdo:

trial and error's likely your best bet, after all, it's you that will be watching it

[19:02:24]

BengalBorn:

I was afraid to mess with that stuff.

[19:02:52]

BengalBorn:

aren't there standard templates for low-quality, high-quality, and such?

[19:03:13]

dev:

quality is very subjective

[19:03:23]

dev:

what looks good to one person and one tv may not look good to another person on another tv

[19:03:34]

dev:

so bitrates and resolution are pretty personal settings

[19:03:44]

BengalBorn:

well, if I could plug in some values to simulate VCR EP...

[19:04:30]

dev:

the default/live/high/low qualities in there are the guidelines to start with

[19:04:44]

BengalBorn:

they're all the same

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dev:

thats weird. they werent when i installed myth 0.16

[19:05:15]

dev:

but obviously that was quite some time ago :)

[19:05:45]

dev:

i use 720x480 5500/6500 for all my recordings. so i can easily burn to dvd.

[19:05:48]

dev:

and they look fine for me

[19:06:21]

dev:

talk to 10 people you'll get 10 different answers though. as beirdo said, fiddle

[19:06:23]

dev:

hehe

[19:06:36]

Beirdo:

dev: that's about what I use too :)

[19:06:57]

Beirdo:

and 352x480 at about 4000 I think for "low quality" as it's still DVD resolution

[19:07:01]

Beirdo:

D/2

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BengalBorn:

my default is 480x480 4500, 6000

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Beirdo:

if you are ever going to make DVD, use 720x480, 704x480, 352x480 or 352x240

[19:08:11]

Beirdo:

otherwise you need to resize and reencode to make DVDs

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BengalBorn:

yeah I burn them to DVD

[19:08:20]

Beirdo:

480x480 is good for making SVCD later

[19:08:29]

Beirdo:

and 352x240 for making VCD

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BengalBorn:

and watch them on a separate system

[19:09:12]

Beirdo:

DVD authoring from 720x480 is WAY faster (no reencoding)

[19:09:34]

Beirdo:

but of course, do it however you want :)

[19:09:53]

Beirdo:

oh hell

[19:10:00]

Beirdo:

I should update my zap2it account

[19:10:26]

Beirdo:

expired May 15

[19:10:27]

Beirdo:

hehe

[19:10:32]

Beirdo:

5 days before the wedding

[19:11:36]

Beirdo:

as I intend to start the PVR back up soon, I should fix that. Done

[19:12:23]

BengalBorn:

you mean the mplex step? >> DVD authoring from 720x480 is WAY faster (no reencoding)

[19:12:52]

Beirdo:

yeah

[19:13:06]

Beirdo:

from 480x480, you need to reencode to 720x480 to make a DVD

[19:13:20]

Beirdo:

as in a video DVD

[19:13:23]

BengalBorn:

it takes about 10 minutes to prepare a DVD from the .mpg I'm capturing

[19:13:39]

Beirdo:

if you are just putting files onto a DVD-R, that's different

[19:13:47]

Beirdo:

but if you want it to work in a DVD player...

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BengalBorn:

I'm making video dvd's with k3b

[19:14:11]

BengalBorn:

on DVD+RW

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BengalBorn:

to play on my standalone DVD player upstairs

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BengalBorn:

not sophisticated, I know

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Beirdo:

the resize should take longer than 10min, I would think, but sure

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BengalBorn:

I don't think it's resizing.

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Beirdo:

it would take about 30s if you record at 720x480, you just need to remultiplex to get valid DVD content

[19:15:56]

Beirdo:

if it's 480x480 source, then it is, or it's making invalid DVDs

[19:16:11]

Beirdo:

if your player likes it anyways, that may not bother you much :)

[19:16:15]

hashbang:

it takes my celeron 1.7 about an hour to remultiplex 3hrs of DVB-T content to DVD.

[19:16:21]

BengalBorn:

function convert_mp2()

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BengalBorn:

{

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BengalBorn:

#return 0

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BengalBorn:

nice -n19 mpeg2desc -a0 < "$1" > aud0 &

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BengalBorn:

nice -n19 mpeg2desc -v0 < "$1" > vid0 &

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BengalBorn:

nice -n19 mplex -f 8 -V -o dvdmpg aud0 vid0 &

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BengalBorn:

nice -n19 dvdauthor -o "$2" -f dvdmpg &&

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BengalBorn:

nice -n19 dvdauthor -o "$2" -T

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BengalBorn:

}

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Beirdo:

hashbang, that's nuts ;)

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BengalBorn:

Beirdo: so I should leave bitrate alone, set size to 720x480 and expect the mkdvd (which uses that function) to go much quidker?

[19:18:46]

BengalBorn:

quicker?

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Beirdo:

I would expect so yes

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Beirdo:

worth a try

[19:19:17]

hashbang:

Beirdo: lots of shuffling around, projectx is in Java, etc. etc.

[19:19:29]

Beirdo:

Java?!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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hashbang:

Beirdo: should be a bit faster now the two temp directories are on different physical discs

[19:19:42]

Beirdo:

that would help

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BengalBorn:

beirdo: but my hope was to pack more shows onto one dvd

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Beirdo:

ahhh, then you need to drop bitrate

[19:20:57]

Beirdo:

maybe try 352x480 at a slightly lower bitrate

[19:21:12]

BengalBorn:

so at that resolutoin and a reduced bitrate, then I get both?

[19:21:20]

Beirdo:

you should

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BengalBorn:

interesting.

[19:21:38]

Beirdo:

that's a valid DVD resolution, as long as the software will behave

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GreyFoxx:

Hey Beirdo, how's PR treatin ya ?

[19:21:53]

Beirdo:

I love it

[19:21:56]

GreyFoxx:

cool

[19:21:59]

Beirdo:

nice and hot every day

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BengalBorn:

are we talking 352x480

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Beirdo:

yes

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BengalBorn:

tx

[19:22:24]

Beirdo:

tomorrow morning, we go to the beach :)

[19:22:25]

Beirdo:

yay

[19:23:05]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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** GreyFoxx is cleaning up the code for the msntv stuff I've been working on **

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GreyFoxx:

One thing I've noticed is that using the mythprotocol for playback instead of nfs has a HUGE performance hit

[19:24:48]

Beirdo:

not surprised

[19:24:55]

GreyFoxx:

and that wasn't the case amonth ago, so I suspect it might be something related to the mythsocket changes

[19:25:06]

Beirdo:

NFS has had many years of tuning, and myth uses C++ which is bloatware

[19:25:14]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

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laga:

GreyFoxx: i've had similar experiences w.r.t. the mythprotocol stuff – on 0.19.

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Beirdo:

with proper window sizing on NFS, I can nearly saturate 100mbit ethernet

[19:25:41]

GreyFoxx:

It was working fine before, but after updating to latest yesterday it chunks hard

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GreyFoxx:

laga: yeah

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Beirdo:

Hmmm

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Beirdo:

I think I should turn on another computer, this room is starting to feel cool

[19:26:56]

Led-Hed:

?

[19:27:02]

Led-Hed:

isnt cool a good thing?

[19:27:16]

laga:

Led-Hed: he's just showing off. ignore the troll! ;)

[19:27:24]

Led-Hed:

ahh

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** GreyFoxx wonders if he can get XvMC working on this thing **

[19:28:01]

laga:

GreyFoxx: is the intel xvmc any good?

[19:28:13]

GreyFoxx:

laga: Having never used it I can;t say

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Led-Hed:

you can turn your computer into a refrigerator by using a TEC and flipping it upside down. Though this will shorten the life of the CPU. ;)

[19:28:27]

GreyFoxx:

I don't see mention of it in the IEGD manual though

[19:28:38]

GreyFoxx:

so I'm wondering if this driver supports it as well

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laga:

GreyFoxx: really? man intel – there's an XvMC option somewhere in there. i think it is supported.

[19:29:11]

GreyFoxx:

laga: What version ofthe IEGD driver are you using?

[19:29:17]

laga:

GreyFoxx: 5.0

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GreyFoxx:

5.0.756 here

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laga:

dunno about the minor version ;)

[19:29:43]

laga:

mind you, i haven't seen it in action yet.

[19:29:48]

GreyFoxx:

a man intel, and a search for "XvMC" finds nothing

[19:29:54]

laga:

weird. wait a sec.

[19:30:22]

GreyFoxx:

I should look over whatever you are using to install it, maybe thereis a difference

[19:30:25]

laga:

gotta boot the gentoo box..

[19:30:44]

laga:

umm, i'm using cp and everything, like it says in the RELNOTES ;)

[19:30:54]

GreyFoxx:

me too :)

[19:31:12]

laga:

it's annoying. :)

[19:31:26]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, but now I can easily make a tarball of it

[19:31:34]

GreyFoxx:

find -mtime is your friend :)

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laga:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

I'm gonna likely tar it up along with an updated kernel patch for the msntv crowd

[19:32:27]

laga:

the s100 crowd might be interested, too :)

[19:32:40]

laga:

you might wanna check on the driver licence, though

[19:32:51]

MartinCleaver:

hi, how maxed out would a mythtv box get if recording 3 channels? Assuming a Sempron 2800 with 512mb ram & 3 capture cards.

[19:33:05]

AlienBaby:

what does it mean when mythtv crashes with a green screen and a horrible whining noise (PVR 350 on gentoo, ivtv 6.2)

[19:33:07]

laga:

MartinCleaver: what capture cards?

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MartinCleaver:

happauge pvr-250

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MartinCleaver:

like Beirdo's setup

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Beirdo:

MartinCleaver, not very maxed out at all

[19:34:43]

Beirdo:

about 2% CPU for each PVR-250 IIRC

[19:34:51]

MartinCleaver:

woah. tiny.

[19:34:52]

GreyFoxx:

laga: Good point about the license I'll read it

[19:35:21]

Baylink:

Beirdo: what was that dependency jump in IVTV?

[19:35:27]

MartinCleaver:

am thinking about getting a desktop for home. usual fileserving stuff + tv capture

[19:35:29]

Beirdo:

no clue :)

[19:35:39]

AlienBaby:

i love donuts

[19:35:48]

Beirdo:

I haven't touched the myth box in a little over a month

[19:35:57]

Baylink:

There's something you need to go newer than... 0.3, I think, and I don't recall what, but I think I don't have it.

[19:36:00]

Beirdo:

BTW, Baylink... the Caribbean rules

[19:36:07]

Baylink:

Bastard.

[19:36:13]

Beirdo:

:)

[19:36:35]

Beirdo:

planning on doing the 3 mile drive to the beach first thing tomorrow mornign

[19:36:47]

MartinCleaver:

presumably windows media center has a ton of drawbacks by comparison to mythtv?

[19:37:00]

dev:

does it?

[19:37:04]

Beirdo:

technically, to the Atlantic Ocean, but same difference down here

[19:37:08]

Baylink:

Well, the "comes from Microsoft" part...

[19:37:46]

Baylink:

See above about "WGA phones home daily", et al

[19:38:29]

dev:

but we can trust ijr right

[19:38:31]

dev:

hehehe

[19:39:22]

Beirdo:

we have the code for myth

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laga:

GreyFoxx: interesting. i don't see XvMC mentioned in the man page, but i'm sure i saw it in someone's X config

[19:39:35]

Beirdo:

you can read it and see it's not emailing him your password file, etc

[19:39:40]

MartinCleaver:

does mythtv have lower system requirements?

[19:39:43]

dev:

hehe true

[19:40:20]

Beirdo:

MartinCleaver, I would think so, but I have no use for Windows MCE, so...

[19:40:20]

GreyFoxx:

MartinCleaver: It completely depends on whaty you want to do with it

[19:40:34]

GreyFoxx:

how many tuners you want, the type of video (SD or HD) etc

[19:40:38]

Beirdo:

Windows tends to use more resources to run the OS than Linux does (to start)

[19:41:22]

MartinCleaver:

does anyone here have a favourite article comparing mythtv to mce?

[19:41:31]

GreyFoxx:

MartinCleaver: For example a P3 650 could be a frontend + backend with multiple tuners if you want SDTV, but if you want HD then you require more

[19:41:55]

GreyFoxx:

And no DRM or storing the data in a DRM'd format

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dev:

if you dont know anything about linux, go with mce. if you know linux, or you dont know it but you enjoy reading and not asking questions every second, then go with myth ;)

[19:42:04]

laga:

p3 650 might push things a bit if you need deinterlacing or any other fancy filtering

[19:42:09]

dev:

im sure mce is by far 'easier'

[19:43:32]

** MartinCleaver wonders how much a p3 650 costs nowadays **

[19:44:45]

Dagmar:

Maybe $30

[19:45:17]

MartinCleaver:

ok. what's a typical mid range pc nowadays?

[19:46:28]

MartinCleaver:

I guess I need to see a price / performance curve for processors etc

[19:46:39]

dev:

dude, just go with mce

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dev:

it sounds like myth is going to be quite the hassle for you tto be honest

[19:46:49]

dev:

heh

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MartinCleaver:

well I can quite happily administer linux

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dev:

then why are you asking in here about pc prices :P

[19:47:49]

dev:

you should love to read if you happily adminsiter linux ;)

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MartinCleaver:

:)

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Dagmar:

www.pricewatch.com, although a "decent" machine is going to cost you $400–600 in parts

[19:49:39]

dev:

tomshardware pricewatch and froogle

[19:49:44]

dev:

all you need to build a pc

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** MartinCleaver clicks **

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Sedorox:

my girlfriend just built a new computer.. AMD 64 3200+, and other, for at or less then $400

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Sedorox:

mostly through newegg

[19:52:39]

MartinCleaver:

ooh pricewatch is nice

[19:54:06]

kormoc:

watch out with pricewatch

[19:54:12]

kormoc:

not everyone they list are good

[19:54:22]

kormoc:

check out resellerratings.com for info on how good a place is

[19:54:55]

Dagmar:

Usually you'll see someplace coming up as being cheapest for more than one then. Then you find out if they combine shipping charges

[19:55:17]

MartinCleaver:

thanks :)

[19:55:44]

dev:

heh yeah, useing pricewatch shouldnt be a blind trust kind of thing. if you want blind trust just order from newegg

[19:55:49]

dev:

but know it wont be the best deal.

[19:56:13]

Dagmar:

The last couple of times it *was* the best deal, oddly

[19:56:24]

Dagmar:

They're starting to use referrer discounts at NewEgg

[19:56:27]

dev:

thats odd

[19:56:43]

MartinCleaver:

bbi 20

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Dagmar:

Come in through pricewatch and a couple of bucks magically drop off the price

[19:56:56]

kormoc:

newegg tends to be very close to the best deal

[19:57:21]

kormoc:

they move so much inventory, they get really good bulk discounts

[19:57:22]

dev:

close, usually more costly. but right, not by much

[19:57:29]

dev:

i get charged tax from them because i live in nj

[19:57:34]

dev:

so usually i dont order there.

[19:57:44]

Dagmar:

THey charge everyone tax

[19:57:57]

dev:

friend of mine didnt get charged tax..

[19:58:06]

Dagmar:

Weird

[19:58:21]

dev:

supposedly you get charged tax if you live in a state where they have a presence, or something

[19:58:27]

kormoc:

Tax: $0.00

[19:58:33]

kormoc:

yeah, that's how the law is

[19:58:45]

kormoc:

Sales tax is only required for orders shipping to destinations within our resident states of business. Therefore, all orders shipping to California, Tennessee and New Jersey will be charged sales tax

[19:59:00]

kormoc:

http://www.newegg.com/CustomerService/FAQTax.asp

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dev:

Dagmar: guess you live in one of those 3 states :)

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AlienBaby:

what does it mean when mythtv crashes with a green screen and a horrible whining noise (PVR 350 on gentoo, ivtv 6.2)

[20:00:01]

dev:

it means your shit is broke?

[20:00:14]

Sedorox:

lol

[20:00:17]

dev:

horrible whining noise sounds like hardware heh

[20:01:19]

AlienBaby:

can't seem to determine if it's mythtv causing the problem or ivtv

[20:01:40]

dev:

mythtv rarely causes whining noises :) except from maybe the user who's trying to configure it

[20:02:12]

AlienBaby:

ah funny.. but only happens while watching live tv or recordings..

[20:02:23]

AlienBaby:

not mplayer videos etc..

[20:02:30]

dev:

i think its funnier to think that software would cause whining noises

[20:02:32]

dev:

check your fans?

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Dagmar:

That would indicate rather strongly that it's ivtv

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AlienBaby:

ah.. clever.. but whining is coming from the TV.. sound produced by PVR 350 I think..

[20:03:11]

Sedorox:

wellif the software crashes when its playing something.. it could...

[20:03:12]

Juski:

evening all

[20:03:20]

laga:

hi Juski

[20:03:37]

Juski:

you got netbooting yet, laga ;-)

[20:03:38]

dev:

out of the tv? ah, bit of important information ;) yup, sounds like ivtv

[20:03:49]

laga:

Juski: working on it.

[20:03:58]

Juski:

laga: I think I might have missed something important in my messing last night

[20:04:01]

AlienBaby:

kinda like a dumb and dumber's most annoying sound in the world thing..

[20:04:14]

laga:

Juski: well, pebkac ;)

[20:04:32]

Juski:

yup

[20:04:53]

Juski:

wooo emerging X has finished 'already'

[20:04:57]

laga:

heh

[20:05:09]

AlienBaby:

interesting thing.. mythtv has gotten much more stable under the SVN version of mythtv I install a week ago..

[20:05:31]

laga:

Juski: i've just made a backup of my netboot gentoo tree on my server, i'll rsync the new one over then. while that happens, i'll make a DSL usb disk

[20:05:33]

AlienBaby:

was crashing every day.. now only every 3 or 4 days..

[20:05:59]

laga:

mythtv cannot crash your system, if it's not run as root

[20:06:19]

Juski:

myth crashes?

[20:06:22]

Juski:

:-P

[20:06:36]

AlienBaby:

but how about a bad interaction between myth and ivtv..

[20:06:41]

dev:

on my setup myth just eats ram, just crash tho ;p

[20:06:48]

** Juski is skeptical **

[20:06:50]

dev:

s/just/doesnt

[20:06:52]

laga:

AlienBaby: yeah, that's broken hardware/driver issue.

[20:06:54]

AlienBaby:

and system quickly dies.. network and everything..

[20:07:30]

Juski:

laga: what I think I forgot to do was initialise that variable.. the export LD_DRIVER_BLAH thing

[20:07:35]

** Juski has had beers btw **

[20:07:39]

laga:

Juski: uheh

[20:07:46]

laga:

beer. good idea.

[20:08:02]

Juski:

now I can't find the pdf... good job I printed all 190 pages out at work today

[20:08:44]

Juski:

makes a nice noise hitting the desk I can tell you

[20:09:26]

Juski:

"unpack the blah blah thingy and you will see lots of scrolly lines..."... check

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TinheadNed:

hi guys

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Juski:

laga: I have tv-out!!!!!!!

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TinheadNed:

Juski: well done

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laga:

Juski: i hate you

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** Juski pats the gnomish one on the head, patronisingly **

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laga:

heh

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Juski:

TinheadNed: this is _not_ easy peasy nvidia tv out btw.. intel binary shennanigans you install yourself

[20:19:08]

TinheadNed:

christ, it took me 3 hours to get my nivida tv out working

[20:19:20]

Juski:

the line "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/X11R6/lib" was key

[20:19:22]

TinheadNed:

then I discovered my tv breaks its s-video in by default, don't know why

[20:19:48]

laga:

Juski: awesome. thanks for letting me know.

[20:19:55]

Juski:

when I read that today in the pdf I was like "fucking DUH-head.. that's why it complained it couldn't find shit"

[20:20:21]

laga:

i read that, too, and was like: "bah! unnecessary stuff!" hehe

[20:20:26]

TinheadNed:

what card is this for?

[20:20:46]

Juski:

it needs tuning to fit the telly, but that is pretty trivial compared to the brain-overload troubleshoot we had last night

[20:20:58]

TinheadNed:

btw, I presume the only way to delete mythtv's mysql logs is by hand?

[20:21:14]

Juski:

TinheadNed: not so much a card... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/s100

[20:21:40]

Juski:

TinheadNed: IIRC myth cleans em out automagically at a period you determine

[20:22:06]

Juski:

btw laga: (EE) INTEL(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI

[20:22:56]

laga:

Juski: maybe you need to load/compile/install the dri kernel module.

[20:23:31]

TinheadNed:

Juski: nice

[20:24:04]

Juski:

laga: heh maybe. actually I remember disabling dri

[20:24:16]

laga:

Juski: :)

[20:24:18]

TinheadNed:

Juski: ah cool – thought I'd heard something about that not being implemented. my imagination praps

[20:25:37]

Juski:

laga: running menuconfig now

[20:25:58]

TinheadNed:

hmm, need to have another play with my box when the girls aren't watching BB – still haven't got automatic transcoding working

[20:26:07]

AlienBaby:

should I be using ivtv-fb framebuffer or something else for my pvr 350?

[20:27:44]

Juski:

laga: these things have intel i830 rather than i810 yes?

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Juski:

making modules...

[20:29:22]

Whyvas:

is there a command to recreate the database?

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laga:

Juski: not sure. just compile everything ;)

[20:29:36]

Whyvas:

my mythfilldatabase is complaining about a missing table

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kormoc:

Whyvas, not without losing all your data

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Whyvas:

yeah i don't care

[20:33:29]

Whyvas:

fresh setup

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Juski:

oh wait...

[20:33:40]

Whyvas:

i just deleted the whole database...

[20:33:43]

kormoc:

drop database mythconverg;

[20:33:47]

Whyvas:

yeah

[20:33:52]

kormoc:

reimport the mc.sql file

[20:33:59]

Whyvas:

i am going insane trying to set this up

[20:34:00]

kormoc:

and then rerun mythtv-setup

[20:34:09]

Whyvas:

reimport mc.sql???

[20:34:17]

Whyvas:

i never imported it to begin with?

[20:34:21]

Juski:

that'd do it

[20:34:22]

TinheadNed:

Whyvas: me too :) and mine works to begin with

[20:34:40]

Juski:

mysql -u root -p < database/mc.sql ... ring any bells?

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Whyvas:

do you need that if you get it from a package manager?

[20:35:08]

kormoc:

yes

[20:35:08]

TinheadNed:

i forget now if it's done for you in gentoo

[20:35:18]

Juski:

unless the package manager does it for you, you do

[20:35:21]

kormoc:

Whyvas, are you gentoo?

[20:35:40]

Whyvas:

ubuntu

[20:35:44]

kormoc:

ahh

[20:35:47]

Juski:

definitely

[20:35:49]

Whyvas:

dapper

[20:35:58]

Whyvas:

nope

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Juski:

silly distro names

[20:36:11]

Whyvas:

so i need to import mc.sql or no?

[20:36:14]

** TinheadNed is still pleased cos his mythtv patches were accepted to portage :) **

[20:36:17]

kormoc:

yes, you do

[20:36:22]

kormoc:

at least, now you have to

[20:36:29]

** Juski will call his first distro 'Whorey' **

[20:36:32]

kormoc:

maybe you didn't before, but you droped the db

[20:36:48]

Whyvas:

so i download this bad boy?

[20:37:33]

kormoc:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . abase/mc.sql

[20:39:04]

** Juski has got the damn thing working a bit more. no sleep for him tonight, for sure **

[20:39:26]

laga:

Juski: :)

[20:39:30]

** laga fights rsync **

[20:40:00]

Juski:

laga: I dunno what kind of PAL tv the guy who made zenslack has, but X is way off fitting the screen properly

[20:40:29]

laga:

maybe he just didn't care :)

[20:41:01]

Juski:

yeh maybe "worky" was enough

[20:41:07]

jams:

laga careful, it might replicate and fight back

[20:41:16]

laga:

jams: heh

[20:41:21]

Juski:

tell it to go forth & replicate

[20:43:02]

Whyvas:

http://pastebin.com/770795

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Whyvas:

i dropped mythconverg

[20:43:26]

Juski:

quicky.. can anyone name a good hex editor?

[20:43:29]

Whyvas:

imported mc.sql

[20:43:35]

Whyvas:

ran mythtv-setup

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kormoc:

Juski, for linux?

[20:43:53]

Juski:

kormoc: yeh.. just need the bones of one to edit a binary file

[20:43:56]

kormoc:

Whyvas, what version of myth?

[20:44:07]

kormoc:

Whyvas, and you are running mysql 5 or newer right?

[20:44:29]

Whyvas:

double checking

[20:44:34]

kormoc:

Juski, http://www.chez.com/prigaux/hexedit.html

[20:44:59]

Whyvas:

mythtv 0.18.1–3ubuntu3

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Whyvas:

mysql mysql 5.0.21–3ubuntu1

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kormoc:

Whyvas, okay, you have two choices here

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kormoc:

Whyvas, you can upgrate to myth 0.19 or higher which has mysql 5 compatablity

[20:46:29]

kormoc:

Whyvas, or you can downgrade to a 4.x mysql version and run myth 0.18

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TinheadNed:

woah – boson really *isn't* stable

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Whyvas:

ah great

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Juski:

cheers kormoc

[20:50:22]

Juski:

umbongo still hasn't got 0.19? wtf is up with them?

[20:50:32]

kormoc:

mornin' Juski.

[20:50:42]

kormoc:

yeah, esp if they are defaulting to mysql 5 now

[20:51:11]

Whyvas:

i don't know if it defaults

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Juski:

heh

[20:51:20]

Whyvas:

i picked it before i installed mythtv

[20:51:24]

Whyvas:

i just assumed

[20:51:30]

Whyvas:

ass u me

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Juski:

it was great while 0.18 was king

[20:51:52]

Whyvas:

what are the new improvements in 0.19?

[20:52:12]

Juski:

myriad

[20:52:29]

Whyvas:

anything useful?

[20:52:38]

Juski:

plenty

[20:52:50]

Juski:

mythmusic was muchly improved

[20:52:54]

Juski:

as was livetv

[20:52:55]

kormoc:

could check the changelog

[20:53:38]

Whyvas:

ugh

[20:53:46]

Whyvas:

i'll upgrade then...

[20:53:47]

Juski:

laga: I've got drm in my kernel now, and X complains of drm not being able to find the intel kernel module

[20:53:56]

Whyvas:

i was in the process of downgrading

[20:54:06]

laga:

Juski: meaning intel-agp?

[20:54:16]

Juski:

laga: I dunno

[20:54:29]

laga:

heh

[20:54:31]

Juski:

I may need greyfoxx's patch

[20:55:02]

Juski:

was looking for it today but I don't think it's posted anywhere

[20:55:16]

laga:

Juski: trout him.

[20:55:18]

Juski:

is it that big a deal?

[20:55:24]

Juski:

!seen GreyFoxx

[20:55:24]

MythLogBot:

GreyFoxx is here and has been idle for 1 hour 13 minutes 28 seconds

[20:55:25]

laga:

what? DRM?

[20:55:35]

Juski:

yeh.. I dunno

[20:56:30]

Juski:

never mind

[20:56:41]

Juski:

modprobed i830 and now..

[20:57:03]

Juski:

no more complaints about not finding stuff

[20:57:21]

Juski:

apart from : "INTEL: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found"

[20:57:26]

Juski:

so methinks it needs patching

[20:57:59]

Juski:

hmmm...

[20:58:07]

** Juski goes to compile i810 as a module now **

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TinheadNed:

kormoc: does one have to do anything special to get automatic transcoding working?

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Juski:

laga: less errors using i810 module, but it might still need patched

[21:05:46]

Juski:

http://pastebin.com/770826

[21:07:06]

MartinCleaver:

is there a canadian equivalent of pricewatch.com ?

[21:07:10]

MartinCleaver:

(its not .ca)

[21:07:42]

xris:

froogle? pricegrabber?

[21:07:45]

laga:

Juski: looks like it.

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Juski:

laga: X still works though

[21:09:51]

laga:

i can't get rsync to behave.

[21:10:05]

laga:

it won't put my new files on my server :/

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Juski:

I think I'll just set this off emerging mythtv now. I can sort out niceties later

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laga:

good idea.

[21:21:46]

Juski:

lol.. I think I've put the guys at work off linux for life with the tales of how I've been getting on with this box

[21:22:11]

Juski:

oops

[21:22:22]

Juski:

I don't start emerges from ssh sessions I'm gonna kill later

[21:22:28]

laga:

use screen

[21:23:11]

Juski:

one more package I won't need later

[21:23:21]

laga:

screen is awesom

[21:23:25]

laga:

awesome*

[21:23:28]

Juski:

just use a box that's never off ;-)

[21:23:29]

octavious:

screen is amazing. i use it all the time

[21:23:40]

Juski:

I'll look into it

[21:23:53]

octavious:

the detaching/reattaching process makes everything worth it

[21:24:14]

octavious:

for example, this irssi process is controlled by screen, and i just reattach whenever i want to chat

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laga:

screen -D -R to start it/re-attach. strg-a-d for detaching, strg-a-c to create a new virtual termin, strg-a-[1|2|3|etc] to switch virtual terminals

[21:24:43]

laga:

octavious: same for me :)

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** Juski reads the last few days' worth of Dilbert calendar for photocopying & distributing round work next week **

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Juski:

very erm.. current, I'll say

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scopeuk:

hi Juski

[21:27:00]

laga:

hi scopeuk

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scopeuk:

hi laga

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Juski:

we had a 'team brief' the other day. Our acting MD actually said (about the move to the new building)... "I'm not going to stand in the way of anyone who doesn't want to go there"... like EH? go manager

[21:27:24]

Juski:

hi scopeuk

[21:29:27]

Dagmar:

Translation: This new facility requires us to cut some personell

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Juski:

I'm moving, but only until a competitor moves nearer to where I live

[21:30:34]

Dagmar:

Some of the corporate-speak just kills me

[21:31:12]

Juski:

that's something I need to check up on... there's a bit of everyone's contract saying they're not allowed to work in the same line for up to 6 months after leaving the company.. we all suspect it can't be legally binding but some confirmation is needed

[21:31:17]

Dagmar:

At the office, our HR people are into talking about health care processes, how great the insurance we have is (so-so), what fitness facilities are on the campus and so on...

[21:31:29]

Dagmar:

...but recently they've begun talking up the concept of something called "Self-care"

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Juski:

lol

[21:31:44]

Dagmar:

Giving classes and so on in how to bandage minor scrapes

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Dagmar:

How to take aspirin and so forth

[21:32:36]

Juski:

sounds fishy

[21:32:45]

Dagmar:

I'm like, how many people could we possibly be employing who were raised by wolves and or bears?

[21:33:23]

Dagmar:

It's a case of someone getting excited about a buzzword and going off the deep end with it

[21:33:51]

Dagmar:

We've never had training in "self-care" on the campus, and they're looking to establish a curriculum and get everyone "caught up" apparently.

[21:33:57]

Juski:

it's not all about buzzwords.. it's about knowing which ones to use ;-)

[21:34:12]

Dagmar:

Mainly because, I think, most people have parents, or were at at least one point in their lives, children

[21:34:52]

Dagmar:

Maybe I was accident prone, but I don't see how one can get to an employable age and still need instructions for putting on a band-aid or taking aspirin

[21:35:00]

AlienBaby:

is myth better under Xorg 6.8.2, 6.9, 7.0, or 7.1

[21:35:02]

AlienBaby:

?

[21:35:12]

Dagmar:

AlienBaby: You want the stable one

[21:35:23]

Dagmar:

...which means no XGL.

[21:35:47]

AlienBaby:

currently on 6.8.2.. but all docs on ivtv X driver mention 6.9 and 7.0

[21:35:56]

Dagmar:

As tempting as it might be to get three tuners and map them to different faces of a cube, resist

[21:36:28]

Dagmar:

.o O ( That would be kick-ass channel changing tho)

[21:37:43]

gutano:

lol, come to the dark side

[21:37:48]

gutano:

THE CUBE!

[21:38:23]

Dagmar:

Well, FWIW I'm "still" using 6.8.2 and it's not a problem

[21:38:43]

Dagmar:

MythTV doesn't require anything all that spectacular or arcane out of X.

[21:40:09]

AlienBaby:

ya.. but I'm wondering if going to this Xdriver ivtvdev would make my box more stable..

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gutano:

xorg-x11–6.8.2

[21:41:12]

** gutano shrugs **

[21:41:13]

gutano:

go team

[21:42:11]

Juski:

oh fuck... seems that bit in my contract about not working in a connected industry _can_ be binding :-/

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laga:

Juski: craptacular.

[21:43:37]

AlienBaby:

depends on the state

[21:43:47]

Juski:

I'm in the UK

[21:44:22]

Dagmar:

AlienBaby: Zero crashes here. Disable pre-emptive multitasking in your kernel if you're having issues. I think that's *still* scrambling hardware

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Juski:

though since my skills are in a narrow field... it'd be difficult to find a similarly paid job in any other so they're effectively denying me a right to work... would that mean they could opt to give me paid leave for the allotted time? I need to speak to someone about this next week

[21:45:29]

AlienBaby:

ah.. might I suggest imigration.. the southern border islovely this time of year..

[21:45:53]

Juski:

what the hell is emerge mythtv pulling in cups for?!

[21:45:53]

Dagmar:

...although it's slightly dampish.

[21:46:10]

AlienBaby:

disabled the pre-emptive stuff a while back..

[21:46:11]

Dagmar:

Juski: For printing commercials.

[21:46:14]

Dagmar:

;)

[21:46:18]

Juski:

lol

[21:46:37]

Juski:

I saw an advert tonight... The Crazy Frog has a world cup record out

[21:47:27]

AlienBaby:

although I can't adjust my PCI latency values.. all chipset related PCI devices stay at 0

[21:47:38]

laga:

Juski: USE="-cups".

[21:47:45]

laga:

Juski: wanna have my USE flags?

[21:47:53]

Dagmar:

AlienBaby: I've not done anything but leave those at BIOS defaults

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Juski:

laga: mebbe that'd be a plan

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laga:

Juski: wait a sec.

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Juski:

oo some ads are worth seeing: http://swansea-res.org.uk/video_download/tango_swansea_L.mov

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laga:

Juski: http://pastebin.com/770901 – might wanna tune them. note the -* at the beginning – this disables everything. and IIRC, i disabled all dvd/cdrom stuff

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nuxil:

howdy all. i have a Q.. i wanna uninstall mythtv cos i need to install a never svn version.. but the thing is that,, i deleted the source i installed mythtv from.. how am i suppose to uninstall mythtv now?

[21:50:03]

Dagmar:

They kinda ripped off San Francisco there a bit

[21:50:28]

gutano:

echo net-print/cups >> /etc/portage/package.mask

[21:50:28]

Dagmar:

'cept in SF they were smarter about it. A quarter of a million super-bounce balls don't smash windows

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gutano:

ftw

[21:50:43]

Juski:

Dagmar: don't you see the irony?

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Dagmar:

Irony?

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laga:

gotta reboot into DSL, brb.

[21:51:03]

Juski:

it's a skit

[21:51:03]

Dagmar:

A city being bombarded with citrus products?

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Spum:

Nyello

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Dagmar:

This is clearly one of those 'painted the door of Downing St. red" things

[21:51:38]

Spum:

Just wondering; is there any way to get sky channels working with MythTV?

[21:52:29]

nuxil:

hello!

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Juski:

Dagmar: maybe you'd have to be familiar with the Tango brand & their style of ads

[21:52:51]

Dagmar:

Like I said... it's clearly provincial.

[21:52:57]

Dagmar:

i.e., not funny outside of the UK

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Juski:

Spum: if you have a Sky satellite box & a valid viewing card...

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Spum:

I do indeed

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Spum:

Sky+

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Juski:

ouch

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Spum:

Doesnt cost f-all to me :-P

[21:54:09]

Spum:

Any-hoo

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Spum:

How would i get it working?>

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Juski:

you need a capture/tuner card & some way of changing channels on the Sky box like an IR blaster / Sky RF controller

[21:54:31]

Juski:

plenty people do it that way

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Dagmar:

Yay. My IR transciever came in

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Spum:

Yeah

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Dagmar:

Now i just have to find a toy store

[21:54:58]

Spum:

I've actually crafted a little Digibox-like system

[21:55:00]

Juski:

what you _can't_ do is use a DVB-S (satellite) card & decrypt it with mythtv

[21:55:20]

Juski:

not for Sky TV anyway

[21:55:24]

Spum:

Oh?

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Dagmar:

I'm gonna buy one of those crappy little toy "robots" and chop of it's face, put the elements in it's eyes and epoxy it to one of the 5.25" bays

[21:55:44]

Juski:

Sky use a propriatary encryption method

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Juski:

it _might_ be possible to use a Dragon CAM & card but I dunno anything about that

[21:56:22]

Dagmar:

Juski: Maybe you'll find this amusing: http://www.karlprosser.com/blogpics/windowsvistapop.JPG

[21:56:47]

Spum:

Oh dear

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Dagmar:

heh

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Juski:

mister vista.. who do you think you are? ;-)

[21:57:07]

Spum:

democracy has fallen!

[21:57:30]

Spum:

Look at the reflection for the person who took it

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Spum:

:-P

[21:57:59]

Spum:

Hmm.. wierd

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Spum:

A defense lawyer for 33-year-old Suzuka Hatakeyama of Akita Prefecture who was arrested in connection with the murder last month of a seven-year-old neighbor boy held a news conference Friday, saying the crime was not premeditated and that his client acted on impulse.

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Dagmar:

That's a bit more impulsive than most people.

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Spum:

Heh

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Spum:

There was a worse one here

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Spum:

A guy, about 2 miles from where i live, raped at 12 month old baby :-/

[22:00:31]

Spum:

Nevertheless, he'll be dead ASAP

[22:00:59]

Spum:

Because those who are in for life would probably be fighting with eachother to kick his ass

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Spum:

:-P

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Juski:

so, Spum – get tooled up with a pvr150 card & stuff...

[22:01:51]

Spum:

well, yeah

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Spum:

I'm retired, so i have to find stuff to enterrain me

[22:02:09]

Spum:

I set up a wi-fi hotspot the other week

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Spum:

then some company called clouddigital said "How did you do that" :-P

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speedsix:

Howdy all

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AngryElf:

has anyone had a problem with the PVR150s plain sucking? I've had a 500, and now two 150s and they all produce grainy picture....a lot like old antenna reception

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** Juski starts mythtv (and everything else) emerging, then goes to bed **

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gutano:

AngryElf: hrrm... mine seems to work fine, recording off analog cable, and I'm not trying to playback at any higher res than the recording

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AngryElf:

i've got a 350 and two 150s behind a 4-way splitter....the 350 has perfect picture, the 150s are grainy

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AngryElf:

it's not the particular cable, i've switched em all around

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gutano:

hrrm... perhaps the driver isn't detecting the multiple tuner types? (i'm not all that sure they are different tuner types, just an idea)

[22:14:34]

Whyvas:

ugh!!!

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Whyvas:

i got .19 installed

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Whyvas:

it hard crashes the system when i got watch tv

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bengoodger:

Whyvas, slow?

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Whyvas:

i think it might be an ivtv problem

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Whyvas:

locks and kills everything

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bengoodger:

Whyvas, almost certainly

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bengoodger:

only a driver would cause linux to crash, within reason

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AngryElf:

gutano, the two 150s are "type 43" and the 350 is type 2....there's no errors in the IVTV section

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Whyvas:

know a quick test for ivtv?

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Whyvas:

the dmesg looks clean

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AngryElf:

Whyvas, cat /dev/video0> file.mpg

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laga:

Whyvas: cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg

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Nikopol:

A question about TS and PS mode

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gutano:

AngryElf: I recently bought my 150 (mce, but I don't think the chips are different), it uses a type 50 tuner

[22:20:18]

Nikopol:

Where does one select them?

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AlienBaby:

what version of ivtv? when I went from 4.5 to 6.2 the tuner order changed.. tuner 0 became tuner 1 on the same pvr 350

[22:20:35]

Whyvas:

nope card works fine

[22:20:37]

Nikopol:

am using a Nova-T

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gutano:

oh... and ivtv 0.4.2

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gutano:

I had alot of problems with 0.6.2, and frankly didn't/don't have time to puts with it until it works

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** Whyvas is going to have a cigarette, when he gets back he expects the FU@#$%#@^&@# mythtv to work properly, thank you. **

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gutano:

Whyvas: did you make sure to select the correct "card type" in addition to the correct device? I think v4l is the default... (need ivtv)

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gutano:

for myth settings...

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AngryElf:

gutano, mine's MCE and it's 43 — and I write hauppauge and they use a bunch of different kinds of chips

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AngryElf:

i'm gonna try to get a signal amp

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gutano:

hrrm... if there's enough signal for your 350... =/ I'd probably try a few other things before going the amp route

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gutano:

taking the splitter off completely, and just running your line to the 150 will probably simulate your amp to some degree (as some degree of loss is generaly expected with a splitter)

[22:29:20]

gutano:

don't mind me anymore I'm just thinking out loud...

[22:30:50]

Whyvas:

yeah

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Whyvas:

i have a pvr-250

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Whyvas:

i picked that and i have /dev/video0

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AlienBaby:

should I be able to change the pci latency value on my IDE controller.. stays 0

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Dagmar:

Of course it could also be the position of the card in the case

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Dagmar:

I've noticed a tendency of some PCI buses to be more electrically noisy the further away from the CPU they are

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AlienBaby:

on-board..

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Dagmar:

i.e., the "bottom" slot being the one you wouldn't want your video tuner card in

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AlienBaby:

hmm.. my pvr-350 is in the third slot.. perhaps I will move it..

[22:34:51]

gutano:

Whyvas: but it says ivtv (and not v4l)? not to be repetative, but pvr-150 is still selectable with the v4l driver, and it will fail I believe)

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Whyvas:

pvr-250

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Whyvas:

are you talking in mythtv-setup ?

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gutano:

Whyvas: either way, yes

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Whyvas:

in mythtv-setup or in the settings from mythfrontend?

[22:37:40]

gutano:

Whyvas: in mythtv-setup -> caputure cards -> device -> card type

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Whyvas:

yeah

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gutano:

probed info will probably say wintv pvr 250 [ivtv]... but card type can still be set to whatever

[22:38:05]

Whyvas:

i have it set to mpeg-2 encoder card (pvr.....

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gutano:

kk

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Whyvas:

it locks the whole system up

[22:38:46]

Whyvas:

can't do anything and the monitor shuts off too

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gutano:

oofta

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laga:

Juski: DSL is booting

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gutano:

well myth shouldn't be able to lockup the box on it's own... just device drivers it accesses/etc.. since cat /dev/* > bleh.mpg works, hard to put it on ivtv...

[22:40:55]

gutano:

hrrrm..

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Whyvas:

yeah

[22:41:07]

Whyvas:

everything else works fine

[22:41:14]

Whyvas:

i can get the program guide and stuff

[22:41:32]

Whyvas:

ugh

[22:41:41]

Whyvas:

i'll just drop back to 0.18 i think

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** gutano nods **

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gutano:

=/

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Whyvas:

hmm

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gutano:

sounds like the problem exists between myth/ivtv... but hard to figure out which side, or what quirk

[22:42:37]

Whyvas:

is there a log somewheres i can look at?

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gutano:

ls

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gutano:

heh... I'm diggin, but I don't see where mine logs... I bet there's a verbose mode or something...

[22:45:02]

gutano:

I was gonna suggest an window switch to the console you started from (hopefully between last buttonpress and the lockup), but monitor dies =(

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gutano:

for frontend: -l or --logfile filename Writes STDERR and STDOUT messages to filename

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gutano:

same thing for backend

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gutano:

any TV card errors would probably be logged through the backend

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Whyvas:

ok i'll try that

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Whyvas:

if i didn't shave my head i would of pulled all my hair out by now.

[22:58:35]

laga:

you can have some of mine, i've got plenty

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Scopeuk_:

vaulenteerign to have your hair pulled out laga?

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laga:

heh

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Whyvas:

hmmm

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Whyvas:

i got something

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gutano:

should be a bit of output, wheather it tells us about what's causing the crash... *shrug*

[23:00:51]

gutano:

something stand out?

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speedsix:

what would you say a buffer underflow is caused by when reencoding a file with ffmpeg?

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whyvasmyth:

X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 154

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whyvasmyth:

Major opcode: 143

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whyvasmyth:

Minor opcode: 3

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whyvasmyth:

Resource id: 0x0

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whyvasmyth:

Failed to open device

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Whyvas:

after doing mythfrontend -l test

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gutano:

speedsix: first instinct would be to flame the ffmpeg guys, but I'm sure there are many other possible causes

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** LLyric watches last weeks motogp. Good race! **

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speedsix:

gutano, ok ;) I'm just glad I've found a program that can make dvd mpegs from dvb recordings in one step

[23:05:06]

laga:

mytharchive? ;)

[23:05:48]

speedsix:

laga, I did try it a few weeks ago but gave up when it threw up some obscure error. I'll give it another go sometime

[23:05:56]

laga:

heh

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speedsix:

looks promising though

[23:06:35]

speedsix:

tried transcode and I don't think I got it to do anything useful the whole time

[23:06:36]

laga:

yep, quite nifty. just sad that my dvb recordings are not dvd compliant (resolution-wise), so ffmpeg takes ages to resize them

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Ghotcom_:

hello

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speedsix:

Aah that's why it's taking so long!

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Ghotcom_:

I can't connect to mythbackend, what's wrong ?

[23:08:11]

laga:

Ghotcom_: the logs might tell you

[23:08:30]

gutano:

Ghotcom_: sounds a bit vague, can you give us some more info?

[23:08:41]

** speedsix is regretting leaving the window open and the light on :/ bugs everywhere and I appear to be lunch damnit **

[23:09:41]

Ghotcom_:

laga: there are no logs in the interface

[23:09:52]

** Beirdo shudders **

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Ghotcom_:

laga: where do they fall ?

[23:10:03]

Beirdo:

doing emerge --sync for the first time in like 6 months

[23:10:09]

laga:

Ghotcom_: your terminal

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gutano:

mythfrontend --help (shows that -l <filename> will create a log)

[23:10:12]

laga:

Beirdo: have fun.

[23:10:17]

Beirdo:

thanks

[23:10:36]

Beirdo:

I just need asterisk and zaptel updated until I move it to another server :)

[23:10:59]

laga:

;)

[23:11:13]

Beirdo:

then gentoo can @#$#@ off

[23:11:27]

Ghotcom_:

2006-06–10 01:14:24.454 Connection timed out. You probably should modify the Master Server settings in the setup program and set the proper IP address.

[23:11:38]

Ghotcom_:

laga: >>

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gutano:

Ghotcom_: is your backend running on the same computer?

[23:12:09]

Ghotcom_:

gutano: yes

[23:12:20]

Ghotcom_:

gutano: localhost

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gutano:

Ghotcom_: are you confident it is currently running?

[23:14:20]

Ghotcom_:

lezdova xawtv-3.94-r1 # /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop * Stopping MythTV Backend ...

[23:14:23]

Ghotcom_:

start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 8480: No such process [ !! ]

[23:14:27]

Ghotcom_:

lezdova xawtv-3.94-r1 # /etc/init.d/mythbackend start * WARNING: "mythbackend" has already been started.

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Ghotcom_:

?!?

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gutano:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend zap

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Ghotcom_:

zap ?

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Ghotcom_:

what's that ?

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gutano:

makes sure it's dead, and lets the system know it's off

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** gutano wonders if he's even thinkin of the right distro **

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gutano:

I'm assuming your using gentoo by your output

[23:16:00]

Ghotcom_:

yes

[23:16:01]

Ghotcom_:

:)

[23:16:42]

gutano:

this a new myth install? or did it stop working? this can same me alot of stupid questions

[23:16:49]

Ghotcom_:

so I have to restart the init script ?

[23:16:59]

gutano:

same/save

[23:17:15]

Ghotcom_:

it's a fresh install, i tried xawtv time tv but none worked

[23:17:46]

Ghotcom_:

I ve got a WinTV USB Hauppauge tuner

[23:17:59]

Ghotcom_:

the driver for it is usbvision

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gutano:

step 1: get tv card working (can be tested with "cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg")

[23:18:04]

gutano:

hrrmm

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gutano:

usbvision... never used that

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gutano:

I assume it results in similar devices though

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Ghotcom_:

okay I am dumping the signal with cat I hope

[23:19:43]

Ghotcom_:

and then what am I supposed to see ?

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gutano:

ctrl-c after a short while, and try playing the output file with mplayer/vlc/xine/whatever

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gutano:

should be a recording of whatever channel was the default

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whyvasmyth:

http://pastebin.com/771054

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whyvasmyth:

#@%&@$%&#$%^#@$!$#@%!#$^@%@#^%

[23:21:19]

whyvasmyth:

CALISSE DE MARDE!

[23:21:29]

Whyvas:

HELP!

[23:21:58]

Ghotcom_:

gutano: when i read n the device node the LED on the device turn on ?

[23:22:01]

Ghotcom_:

good news ?

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** gutano shrugs **

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gutano:

probably

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gutano:

lol

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gutano:

I've only used internal tuner cards

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Ghotcom_:

it is a red LED, not so usual though

[23:23:09]

gutano:

did you stop the recording at some point? (using ctrl-c)

[23:23:51]

Ghotcom_:

yeah, i tried playing it with mplayer but it fails

[23:23:57]

Ghotcom_:

Seek failed

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gutano:

does the file have size? "du -sh file.mpg"

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Ghotcom_:

0 but what unit is it ?

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pickler:

hiya, are there any suggested dates for the next stable release for mythtv?

[23:25:36]

gutano:

-h, --human-readable print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M 2G)

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gutano:

that means your not getting anything out of /dev/video0

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gutano:

your input is from an analog cable line? rca's from a cable box? etc?

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Ghotcom_:

the input is the cable I usually plug in my TV

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Ghotcom_:

into

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gutano:

on my card (and most how-to's I've read) that comes out as /dev/video0

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gutano:

I would guess there is some issue with the driver setup (but a change in status on the device would suggest that some portion of it must be communicating)

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Ghotcom_:

ah It is giving some output in dmesg

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Ghotcom_:

tuner 5–0061: Tuner has no way to set tv freq

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Ghotcom_:

normal ?

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gutano:

Whyvas: I've seen that error on the users mailing list

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gutano:

not normal for standard operation, but it's great feedback for finding your problem

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gutano:

Whyvas: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . rch_type=AND

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Ghotcom_:

gutano: the error i got was not output during the cat operation

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gutano:

it was probably durring hte driver initialization

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Ghotcom_:

gutano: i think it is from a previous myth configuration

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gutano:

dmesg is reset on boot

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timmower_:

hi are there benefits to compiling with a certain cpu set in ./configure?

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timmower_:

and what would I set for a amd64 running as 32bit?

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metalac:

hey guys

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metalac:

when i try to record something from Program guide, it says

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metalac:

"this showing will not be recorded because this show does not match the current program listings."

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metalac:

what's the deal?

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metalac:

it records fine if i go to Live TV and push R

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metalac:

but not if i want to schedule something ahead

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metalac:

and I need it for World cup

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Nikopol:

metalac, there's been a change in the listings

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Nikopol:

do a mythfilldatabase

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Nikopol:

then reselect the games

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Nikopol:

it should work

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metalac:

can i do mythfilldatabase from the mythtv? or do i need to go to console?

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gutano:

Ghotcom_: http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=85777 (several people are fighting with your type device, perhaps one of them has a followup post that fixes your problem

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Ghotcom_:

gutano: thanks, I will follow this link

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Whyvas:

gutano, that link seems to be the same issue as me but i don't see a solution there do you??

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gutano:

a guy named maurice posted a few minutes that he doesn't know how he fixed his (same problem)

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gutano:

I'll post it to reply on your pastebin

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metalac:

how can i get to console without kilin mythfrontend?

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metalac:

is there a way at all?

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Whyvas:

ok

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Nikopol:

Merlin83b,

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Nikopol:

oops

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Nikopol:

metalac, are you on a standalone or computeR?

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gutano:

http://pastebin.com/771093

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Nikopol:

not suer what your setup is here

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metalac:

Nikopol: it's a computer, not sure what you mean by standalone? it's running both back and front ends

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Nikopol:

metalac, ok

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Nikopol:

do alt-ctrl F1

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Nikopol:

that will create a tty

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Nikopol:

login then do what you need to do

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metalac:

i knew that, but that didn't work

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Nikopol:

mmm – that doesn't seem good

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Nikopol:

you running what distro?

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metalac:

gentoo

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metalac:

works on my other comps

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Nikopol:

yeah it should

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Nikopol:

yuo got anothe compuiter?

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Nikopol:

I guess that's the one you're IRCing on?

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metalac:

yeah

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metalac:

it works on this one for sure

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Nikopol:

ssh into the gentoo one then

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Nikopol:

(i.e. the one wtih mythtv on it)

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metalac:

hehehe

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metalac:

i dissaloved sshing :)

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Nikopol:

as long as sshd is running you should be ok

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metalac:

but it's not running

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Nikopol:

sshd?

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Nikopol:

you tried to ssh into it?

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Nikopol:

if not, dunno what you can do

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Nikopol:

you can exit the mythtv frontend wihtout killing mythtvbackend

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Nikopol:

i.e. it will keep recording

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Nikopol:

and then you can callup a console

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Nikopol:

well see how you get on – i'm off for a cuppa!

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