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| [00:06:46] | iamsthitha: | anyone know what hauppauge card lets you watch one channel and record another at the same time? |
| [00:08:19] | Juski: | pvr500 |
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| [00:09:04] | iamsthitha: | thanks |
| [00:09:05] | scottder: | Ok I found a modeline that sorta works at 1360x768, but it's offcenter |
| [00:09:35] | scottder: | what would cause that |
| [00:09:50] | Juski: | timings |
| [00:10:01] | Juski: | try using xvidtune I guess |
| [00:10:44] | Goose-BA: | kormoc: when i try to watch live tv it says Prebuffer Error Time out |
| [00:10:45] | Goose-BA: | any ideas? |
| [00:13:25] | scottder: | hmmm it's over to the right and xvidtune can't seem to fix hrrr |
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| [00:27:30] | Juski: | shit I named my kernel wrongly |
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| [00:31:30] | Goose-BA: | is 900mhz not fast enough to watch live tv? |
| [00:31:41] | kormoc: | donno, is it? |
| [00:31:46] | Goose-BA: | dont think so |
| [00:31:52] | Goose-BA: | i get prebuffer time out when i try to |
| [00:32:31] | Juski: | try disabling realtime priority in tv playback settings |
| [00:32:43] | Goose-BA: | is that in the backend settings? |
| [00:32:45] | Juski: | either that or run mythfrontend as SUID root |
| [00:32:51] | Juski: | frontend settings |
| [00:33:30] | Juski: | if it's enabled & you're not running mythfrontend with root privileges, performance can suffer, in my experience |
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| [00:36:29] | Dagmar: | Easier I think to just run the frontend as root |
| [00:36:48] | Dagmar: | Setting the thing suid is just a more complex way of going about that |
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| [00:37:40] | Juski: | true... I just disabled realtime priority – no more judderry video |
| [00:38:04] | Dagmar: | Weird. You were getting jittery video with realtime prioritizing active? |
| [00:38:22] | Juski: | yes, but without setting SUID or running it as root |
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| [00:38:42] | Dagmar: | Goose-BA: 900Mhz should be MORE than fast enough to watch LiveTV from broadcast |
| [00:38:54] | Goose-BA: | hmm |
| [00:39:01] | Goose-BA: | any idea what my prebuffer problem could be |
| [00:39:06] | Juski: | only 50% CPU on my athlon 800 without xvmc |
| [00:39:08] | Dagmar: | Literally, the only thing there taking up CPU power is the player |
| [00:39:39] | Juski: | now... to emerge X... god I hate this bit |
| [00:39:40] | Dagmar: | If you can play video full screen on the machine, then it's got enough power to do LiveTV if you have one of the hardware accellerated tunerws |
| [00:40:27] | Dagmar: | DAmn I forgot to run mythtv setup before I left the house |
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| [00:45:24] | Dagmar: | Anyone got a database in the state of just having finished the inital mythtv-setup they can dump? :) |
| [00:45:42] | Juski: | heh. you'll be lucky |
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| [00:47:29] | Dagmar: | Well, it is actually easy and non-destructive to dump the contents of the db |
| [00:47:52] | Dagmar: | I was going to put in the routines to test for thing being set up this evening |
| [00:48:09] | Dagmar: | I gotta figure out which fields in the DB to query tho |
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| [00:57:12] | kormoc: | Dagmar, you could dump yours, drop mythconverg, rerun mythtv-setup, dump the image, and import your backup back |
| [00:57:27] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Excepting that I'm nowhere near the host machine. |
| [00:57:31] | Dagmar: | Heh. |
| [00:57:37] | kormoc: | that's what ssh is for! :P |
| [00:57:39] | Dagmar: | I do like 90% of my work ssh'd in. |
| [00:57:55] | Dagmar: | You can't run mythtv-setup over that without an X server somewhere to listen |
| [00:58:05] | Dagmar: | ...or did they add an ncurses interface for mythtv-setup when I wasn't looking? |
| [00:58:45] | kormoc: | well, ssh can forward, but I guess you are not near a linux box |
| [00:59:32] | Dagmar: | That's what I've been sayin' |
| [00:59:56] | Dagmar: | I'll just have to wait until morning |
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| [01:00:04] | kormoc: | heh, you never said that, you just said you wern't near the host box :P |
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| [01:04:14] | Dagmar: | This is actually why I was so specific about what I was hoping for |
| [01:04:32] | Dagmar: | It'd pretty much been whittled down to the only useable option. |
| [01:04:41] | Dagmar: | No big deal tho |
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| [01:51:58] | SunTzuTech: | anyone got some working hints for PVR-150 model 1045 getting static. Running stock Knoppmyth R5C7 |
| [01:53:04] | mchou: | SunTzuTech: static means it's working |
| [01:53:31] | mchou: | SunTzuTech: dump dmesg log in pastebin |
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| [02:54:20] | DBO: | hey, what do I do if converg.keybindings isnt getting created? |
| [02:54:24] | DBO: | (in mysql) |
| [03:00:11] | Dagmar: | Troubleshoot the problem, I suppose. |
| [03:00:12] | bRuZdEGO: | you run around your computer naked with a flash like shining on your genitals |
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| [03:00:18] | Dagmar: | Probably more productive than just suffering. |
| [03:00:31] | DBO: | actually, none of the database tables are being created |
| [03:00:42] | DBO: | yet it is definately connecting |
| [03:00:45] | bRuZdEGO: | that sounds like a pickle |
| [03:00:45] | Dagmar: | DBO: That's because you're supposed to create them |
| [03:00:51] | Dagmar: | Did you not look at the docs? |
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| [03:00:59] | bRuZdEGO: | hehe |
| [03:01:29] | bRuZdEGO: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 <0------ has this been completed? |
| [03:01:32] | DBO: | Dagmar, really? I was under the appearantly hilarious notion that it actually did that by itself... |
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| [03:01:50] | Dagmar: | DBO: That is obviously because you couldn't be bothered to read the documentation. |
| [03:02:14] | Dagmar: | Although, I agree it's funny. |
| [03:02:20] | Dagmar: | I'm definitely laughing my ass off at you right now. |
| [03:02:26] | bRuZdEGO: | hehe |
| [03:03:41] | DBO: | Dagmar, ok, I see where I missed, appearantly there is an sql file i need |
| [03:03:49] | DBO: | excuse my glaring idiocy |
| [03:04:07] | Dagmar: | It's probably your parents' fault. |
| [03:04:19] | Dagmar: | No need to ask for excusal. |
| [03:04:50] | DBO: | ...right... well, I appreciate your help/sarcasm |
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| [03:08:04] | Dagmar: | In the future, you should probably refrain from trying to be sarcastic to someone giving you information, then. |
| [03:08:37] | Dagmar: | Especially me. I'm a right bastard. |
| [03:08:53] | Dagmar: | :) |
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| [03:12:06] | Dagmar: | I will, at least, offer my genuine sympathies with respect to what you're going to feel when you start plowing through all the configuration panels. None of the documentation is really going to make that any less tedious. :/ |
| [03:12:22] | kusznir: | Hi all: I'm having two issues with my myth Front End currently. First, every time I play a DVD with xine, I appear to be having some sort of focus problem when I exit and return to myth. The main/normal menus work (watch tv, media library, etc); the program guide (in either schedule or live tv) won't let me move the cursor around, and any settings dialogs don't show any indicator cursor (I can hit enter and escape, and those ha |
| [03:12:23] | kusznir: | ve thier fuctions, but the arrow doesn't move anything around). |
| [03:12:57] | kusznir: | Exiting mythtv (ctrl-alt-backspace) and allowing it to relaunch fixes the problem, up until I view a DVD with xine (through Play DVD). |
| [03:13:01] | kusznir: | Any ideas? |
| [03:14:23] | Dagmar: | kusznir: How're you starting the frontend? By itself, or with a window manager running? |
| [03:15:08] | Dagmar: | If it's the former, that's probably your problem. |
| [03:15:27] | kusznir: | Window Manager. I'm running KnoppMyth. |
| [03:15:37] | Dagmar: | I'm marginally sure things don't manage to trafe off focus correctly without a WM being present |
| [03:15:44] | Dagmar: | Hmm... |
| [03:15:50] | jams: | xine-ui < 1.0 has a focus problem upon exit. |
| [03:15:50] | Dagmar: | Their stuff should work |
| [03:16:55] | kusznir: | Hmm...I'll have to check which xine I'm using. |
| [03:17:32] | kusznir: | xine 0.99.3 (standard distributed with latest knoppmyth release) |
| [03:17:35] | jams: | there is a root focus patch or the latest version has it fixed |
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| [03:18:16] | jams: | well I don't know if it's fixed with debian or not |
| [03:18:59] | Dagmar: | jams: Hey that's handy. That might get rid of the needing a WM problem for me |
| [03:19:40] | jams: | xine-ui 0.99.4 has the patch |
| [03:20:47] | jams: | with a proper exit the dang thing would send the focus to the root window. Most annoying |
| [03:21:52] | kusznir: | Ok. Second problem: I'm having audio volume issues. Again, I'm using the default mode with KnoppMyth (aka /dev/dsp through alsa). I've got my volume levels within myth set to 90 and 90. Then, sometimes the volume would be too low (aka TV's volume at 100%, still quiet). Prevously I had a gentoo-based myth on the same hardware with no such issues) |
| [03:22:32] | kusznir: | The really wierd thing is that it would work for a while, then the same settings become insufficient (I think it revolves around entering and exiting xine some times) |
| [03:22:43] | jams: | kusznir- make sure that both pcm and master volume are adjusted correctly |
| [03:23:52] | jams: | kusznir- it's very possible xine is adjusting the pcm volume while myth adjusts the master |
| [03:24:02] | jams: | or the other way around |
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| [03:24:36] | kusznir: | Yea, that's what I ment, pcm and master ar ate 90%. They stay that way, as we don't have any button's mapped to myth's volume adjustment. We intend for the output level to be constant, and we use the TV's volume control. |
| [03:24:52] | kusznir: | Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, even with the same source. |
| [03:25:12] | kusznir: | (the pcm and master are set at 90% from the general settings in myth) |
| [03:25:29] | kusznir: | I have not yet tried switching myth (and xine) over to using ALSA directly |
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| [03:27:26] | ASTX813: | I shouldn't be surprised by this, but ivtv is a pain |
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| [03:28:13] | jams: | kusznir- next time it dips low check the volume levels from aumix |
| [03:28:21] | ASTX813: | modprobe ivtv gives me FATAL: module ivtv not found. I've followed the directions up to this point. Thoughts? (Using dapper) |
| [03:28:40] | jams: | kusznir- assuming your not using spdif |
| [03:29:22] | kusznir: | jams: thanks, yes, I'm not using spdif. |
| [03:30:01] | jams: | ASTX813- did you do a "depmod" |
| [03:30:22] | ASTX813: | yep, no errors. but depmod --show doesn't have any lines for ivtv |
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| [03:32:25] | jams: | ASTX813- do you see the module on the filesystem in /lib/modules ? |
| [03:33:08] | ASTX813: | not there. i'm thinking something isn't right with the make, gonna double check that (and it looks like it's failing) |
| [03:33:47] | Dagmar: | ASTX813: Generally you want to pay attention when make exits with a big, noisy error |
| [03:35:01] | ASTX813: | no errors, just lots of "nothing to be done" and "leaving directory" |
| [03:35:15] | jams: | did you do a make install? |
| [03:35:32] | ASTX813: | yeah, that's what's saying nothing to do |
| [03:36:13] | ASTX813: | strange behavior here |
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| [03:36:18] | jams: | kusznir- I prefer to disable "use internal volume controls" |
| [03:37:02] | ASTX813: | and now it works. i think the first make install failed and i somehow didn't notive |
| [03:37:39] | jams: | ASTX813- did you do a "make" then "make install" or just "make install" ? |
| [03:39:19] | ASTX813: | i thought i did a make, but maybe i missed something. Now the prob is dmesg shows "unable to open firmware"... what directory is the hotplug firmware directory? |
| [03:39:50] | jams: | couldn't tell you |
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| [04:03:43] | Dagmar: | ASTX813: The ivtv wiki's documentation is pretty clear about where to look to find out what your distro thinks is the firmware loading directory |
| [04:04:11] | ASTX813: | ivtv is all good now. no i'm troubleshooting ythfilldatabase |
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| [04:06:39] | MissActek: | Does anyone know a media player that works full screen from the command line like xine or mplayer, that can be controlled without menus or widgets using the keyboard (or preferably joystick), that uses gstreamer? |
| [04:07:07] | Dagmar: | Totem is the only thing you didn't disqualify |
| [04:07:52] | MissActek: | Ah, good, I'm going to have a look at that. Thanks. :) |
| [04:08:17] | Dagmar: | Well, you reduce the number of programs to exactly one the moment you bring gstreamer into it |
| [04:09:13] | MissActek: | Well, not really, surely? |
| [04:09:20] | MissActek: | Kaffine does gstreamer too, I think. |
| [04:09:47] | Dagmar: | I don't bother with KDE |
| [04:10:51] | MissActek: | Mm, I like it, but KDE libs and Qt put me off a bit. |
| [04:12:57] | AngryElf: | does my backend need to have ALSA support in order for various remote frontends to send sound through ALSA? |
| [04:13:12] | GreyFoxx: | AngryElf: nope |
| [04:13:21] | AngryElf: | thanx GreyFoxx |
| [04:13:36] | ASTX813: | MissActek: lately i've just been using mplayer |
| [04:14:15] | ASTX813: | I can use it even when I'm not running xorg |
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| [04:24:11] | MissActek: | ASTX813: How does that handle SSA subtitles inside a matroska stream? |
| [04:27:00] | AngryElf: | how do i find out if mod_env is enabled in apache/php? |
| [04:27:20] | AngryElf: | hold that :/ |
| [04:31:56] | AngryElf: | yea...how do you verify that mod_env and mod_rewrite are enabled? |
| [04:32:11] | simcop2387: | hey when doing picture in picture how do i change what station the picture in picture is going to? |
| [04:33:16] | simcop2387: | never mind figured it out |
| [04:33:48] | simcop2387: | sweet |
| [04:33:59] | simcop2387: | picture in picture with a security camera, and direct tv |
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| [04:46:18] | AngryElf: | myth works with security cameras? |
| [04:47:36] | kormoc: | some security cams have V4L drivers |
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| [04:50:34] | pigeon: | hmm, i have this issue when mythbackend mysteriously loses connection to the database every now and then. when that happens, mythweb still works, except the upcoming recording page, which will shows nothing in the table. any ideas? |
| [04:51:09] | pigeon: | restarting mythbackend fixes it. |
| [04:51:41] | kormoc: | mysql 5? |
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| [04:51:55] | Dagmar: | Sounds like it |
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| [04:52:00] | pigeon: | mysql 4.1 |
| [04:52:06] | Dagmar: | Werid |
| [04:52:50] | Dagmar: | Are you using released tarballs or SVN? |
| [04:52:59] | pigeon: | funny, why won't it only fail for one page on mythweb? |
| [04:53:03] | pigeon: | release tarball, 0.19 |
| [04:53:34] | Dagmar: | Damn strange |
| [04:53:49] | Dagmar: | Not having that happen here, and I've had the backend running for about three days straight now |
| [04:53:58] | pigeon: | the issue usually occurs after a recording... |
| [04:54:06] | pigeon: | but not always, i think. |
| [04:54:15] | Dagmar: | Check the logfiles |
| [04:54:53] | AngryElf: | is myth pretty much guaranteed not to work with mysql5.0? |
| [04:54:55] | Dagmar: | ...both for the backend *and* the mysql server |
| [04:55:10] | Dagmar: | AngryElf: it might work. Then again, it might give birth to kittens |
| [04:55:27] | Sedorox: | ahah |
| [04:57:03] | pigeon: | ok, trying to record something now, let's see. |
| [04:58:16] | kormoc: | I use mysql 5.1 with myth |
| [04:58:37] | kormoc: | it works fine, but every so often it just does what you described |
| [05:00:19] | Dagmar: | No issues with 4.1.19. :) |
| [05:14:06] | pigeon: | can i start a transcoding job without using the frontend? |
| [05:20:10] | AngryElf: | i'm now getting a Internal Server Error 500 when opening mythweb |
| [05:20:13] | AngryElf: | anyone seen that? |
| [05:20:22] | AngryElf: | mod_env and mod_rewrite are def. enabled |
| [05:21:29] | pigeon: | anything in the apache error log? |
| [05:26:49] | SunTzuTech: | anyone got some working hints for PVR-150 model 1045 getting static. Running stock Knoppmyth R5C7 |
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| [06:08:47] | pigeon: | ahha, jobqueue |
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| [06:31:12] | alieas: | '--without-xxmc-path |
| [06:31:12] | alieas: | --without-xxmc-lib' to configure. |
| [06:31:26] | alieas: | I'm sorry |
| [06:32:26] | alieas: | can anyone comment on a pcHDTV card. I'm compiling xine-hd and I may be required to pass those arguments to ./configure |
| [06:33:07] | alieas: | I am wondering if these xxmc objects are required for XvMC, Nvidia Motion Compression(?) hardware acceleration |
| [06:33:40] | pigeon: | hmm, couldn't repproduce the db problem, guess i need to wait. |
| [06:34:21] | Dagmar: | alieas: The configure script will do the right thing with those, if you have the necessary libraries insstalled. |
| [06:34:34] | Dagmar: | If you don't have the libraries installed, you probably don't have to worry about it further. |
| [06:36:27] | pigeon: | hmm, looks like someone else has the exact same problem as mine: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2006-March/127080.html |
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| [06:36:42] | alieas: | dagmar: thanks, I'm just trying to make sure that the xine-hd program is capable of XvMC, although it won't be necessary for MythTV.xdpyinfo |
| [06:38:11] | alieas: | also, 'xdpyinfo' reveals that I don't have the XvMC extension installed. Are there any nvidia/xvmc users here? |
| [06:39:12] | pigeon: | i have xvmc with nvidia, yes |
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| [06:40:11] | alieas: | pigeon: did you have to manually install the nvidia binary? I am currently working on a FC5 system, which identified my Nvidia GeForce 6400 Ti, but there seems to be no XvMC installed. Do you know how I can install this? |
| [06:40:39] | pigeon: | hmm, i install the driver from nvidia, and it has the xvmc libs installed. |
| [06:41:12] | pigeon: | at the same time, i think you might need the generic libxvmc devel stuff installed too... |
| [06:41:21] | Dagmar: | Nah |
| [06:41:26] | Dagmar: | I've not installed anything special |
| [06:41:26] | alieas: | thats what I was planning on doing next, I breezed thru their d/l section, it seemed they had a Suse .run file |
| [06:41:30] | Dagmar: | It all works like it's supposed to here |
| [06:41:54] | alieas: | my mplayer and xine are so slow |
| [06:42:15] | alieas: | they update the screen-shot ever 3 to 5 seconds maybe when playing a .ts dump |
| [06:42:30] | Dagmar: | Then you're definitely not using nVidia's driver properly |
| [06:42:35] | alieas: | yeah I know |
| [06:42:36] | alieas: | :) |
| [06:42:48] | Dagmar: | Get the *generic* driver package.. |
| [06:43:04] | Dagmar: | Do *not* muck about with trying to use one for SuSE unless you're running SuSE |
| [06:43:23] | alieas: | no no |
| [06:43:24] | Dagmar: | Invoke the thing like `sh ./NVIDIA-1.0-8765–1.run` or whatever |
| [06:43:26] | alieas: | wouldn't do that |
| [06:43:36] | Dagmar: | Let it build the module and install what it wants to. |
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| [06:43:45] | alieas: | nice, that easy huh |
| [06:43:58] | Dagmar: | It should work fine from that point forward (provided you change your xorg.conf to load 'nvidia' instead of 'nv' driver) |
| [06:44:43] | alieas: | ok yeah, its loading the nv driver currently |
| [06:45:03] | alieas: | much appreciated |
| [06:45:36] | Dagmar: | The shar archive can actually change your xorg.conf file for you,, in theory. I've not actually bothered to let it yet |
| [06:46:03] | alieas: | any problems with the latest "8762" ? |
| [06:47:08] | Dagmar: | None |
| [06:47:17] | alieas: | thx |
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| [07:35:09] | alieas: | you have to be kidding me, the nVidia drivers don't work under FC5 ??? |
| [07:36:43] | Dagmar: | What gives you that idea? |
| [07:38:01] | Chicago: | alieas: which driver? which card? |
| [07:38:43] | alieas: | chicago, dagmar: hold 1 sec |
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| [07:40:10] | alieas: | kernel: 2.6.16–1.2122, driver: 1.0–8762, card: GeForce4 Ti 4200 |
| [07:40:48] | alieas: | compiler must be choking, on re-starting x server, cannot load "glx" pacakge |
| [07:41:08] | alieas: | I will 'init 3', install again and see if I can get a more specific error |
| [07:41:15] | Chicago: | check dmesg |
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| [07:42:03] | Dagmar: | Probably the fault of their screwed up kernel |
| [07:42:15] | Dagmar: | I've been hearing that it's not _really_ 2.6.16, but 2.6.15 with some patches |
| [07:42:25] | anxt: | can someone msg me there ls -lR /dev/lirc* |
| [07:42:43] | Dagmar: | ...and there's a few important differences that make them not hte same. |
| [07:42:44] | anxt: | i need to be able to pause pornography |
| [07:42:50] | anxt: | with out getting out of bed |
| [07:42:55] | Dagmar: | anxt: We don't want to hear about your porno. |
| [07:43:03] | alieas: | there is many people complaining about FC5 + nVidia.... |
| [07:43:07] | anxt: | Dagmar, i a joking anyhow lol |
| [07:43:35] | anxt: | do you use lirc? |
| [07:43:40] | anxt: | i am missing a dev file |
| [07:44:04] | Dagmar: | So reinstall it |
| [07:44:22] | anxt: | it doesn't create dev nodes though |
| [07:44:50] | anxt: | i could try source without using portage |
| [07:44:54] | Dagmar: | @#$!@ |
| [07:44:55] | anxt: | but i doubt that will help |
| [07:45:00] | Dagmar: | Why the hell do people ARGUE with me all the time about this |
| [07:45:11] | Dagmar: | Look... if you knew the solution to your problem you wouldn't be asking someone else, right? |
| [07:45:11] | anxt: | reinstall lirc? |
| [07:45:22] | anxt: | well shit man i will try it |
| [07:45:29] | anxt: | settle down :) |
| [07:45:36] | Dagmar: | If you're installing with a binary package, they should be creating the device |
| [07:45:40] | anxt: | i will remove portage and compile source by hand |
| [07:45:44] | Dagmar: | If you're installing from source, it's makefile creates the device |
| [07:45:58] | anxt: | will do |
| [07:46:03] | anxt: | sorry for being thick |
| [07:46:06] | anxt: | :( |
| [07:46:15] | Dagmar: | It's not your fault. |
| [07:46:28] | anxt: | i am not used to makefiles making /dev nodes |
| [07:46:35] | Dagmar: | I just don't get why no one ever seems to believe that what will fix their problem will actually fix it |
| [07:46:51] | anxt: | well i used to take inhalants and lsd |
| [07:46:58] | anxt: | that might be something |
| [07:48:03] | Dagmar: | Inhalants, maybe. LSD, doubtful. |
| [07:49:11] | alieas: | heh |
| [07:51:58] | Dagmar: | Hopefully I can convince udev to start making this device for me |
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| [07:56:49] | anxt: | 0 crw-r--r-- 1 root root 61, 0 Jun 7 00:16 lirc |
| [07:56:49] | anxt: | 0 srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Jun 7 01:16 lircd |
| [07:56:49] | anxt: | 0 prw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jun 7 01:54 lircm |
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| [07:57:07] | anxt: | i wil use dev tarballs in gentoo |
| [07:57:14] | anxt: | udev pisses me off sometimes |
| [07:57:49] | anxt: | iseem to have a hung modprobe process |
| [07:57:56] | anxt: | that may also be a problem |
| [07:58:10] | Dagmar: | Very likely |
| [07:58:35] | alieas: | it looks like fedora_core is expecting the nvidia drivers in a new location, "/usr/lib/xorg", instead of where they got installed, "/usr/X11R6/lib/" |
| [07:59:37] | Dagmar: | The morons. |
| [08:00:03] | anxt: | xorg made a change |
| [08:00:13] | anxt: | i have having xorg nvidia issues too |
| [08:00:17] | Dagmar: | ...and FC were stupid about it. |
| [08:00:21] | anxt: | i may not have x if i close it |
| [08:00:23] | Dagmar: | There's supposed to be a symlink there if nothing else |
| [08:00:27] | alieas: | yup that worked, saw the nVidia splash screen on reboot |
| [08:00:47] | anxt: | i NEED nvidia binaries or i have no display |
| [08:00:56] | alieas: | as I wait while MySQL fails to load... |
| [08:01:02] | anxt: | omigosh |
| [08:01:13] | anxt: | gentoo ~x86 is pulling in gcc-4.1 |
| [08:01:21] | Dagmar: | RUN AWAY |
| [08:01:22] | anxt: | my world is about to explode |
| [08:01:31] | anxt: | do i dare? |
| [08:01:35] | Dagmar: | That's just masochistic of them |
| [08:01:40] | anxt: | last thing i need is a borked compiler |
| [08:01:44] | Dagmar: | Truly |
| [08:01:45] | anxt: | for gentoo |
| [08:02:10] | anxt: | i am gonna mask it for now |
| [08:02:18] | anxt: | till i get other shit ficksed |
| [08:02:36] | anxt: | something scares me about a whole version number on gcc |
| [08:02:47] | anxt: | 2.95 to 3 was painful a few years ago |
| [08:02:57] | Dagmar: | Well, for one thing, all your C++ programs are belong to *bzzt* when you do that |
| [08:03:24] | Dagmar: | For the other, you're usually not going to be able to compile new binaries of C++ code until everything gets carefully patched, either. |
| [08:03:28] | anxt: | i will hafta rebuild world |
| [08:03:33] | Dagmar: | Oh you'll try |
| [08:03:36] | anxt: | heh |
| [08:03:39] | anxt: | well i masked it |
| [08:03:44] | Dagmar: | Most of the C++ stuff will just refuse to build |
| [08:03:44] | anxt: | i will wait a year or so |
| [08:04:00] | anxt: | we had a real fun time with openbsd3.9 at work |
| [08:04:05] | anxt: | went to mysql 5.0 |
| [08:04:14] | anxt: | breaks a shit heap of php stuff |
| [08:04:23] | anxt: | no 4.0.27 in ports anymore |
| [08:04:28] | anxt: | frustrating |
| [08:04:45] | Dagmar: | Hence the major version number change, saying very strongly "FOOL! I AM NOT COMPATIBLE WITH ANYTHING AS YOU KNOW IT" |
| [08:04:52] | anxt: | lol |
| [08:04:56] | anxt: | i tend to agree |
| [08:05:10] | anxt: | i wanna reboot to ficks this crapped out modprobe |
| [08:05:20] | anxt: | but i will have no x i am sure lol |
| [08:05:57] | anxt: | me and my damn rsync tree |
| [08:06:37] | anxt: | i am definately gonna need to rebuild world here |
| [08:06:44] | anxt: | it is a mess of massaging |
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| [08:07:18] | anxt: | 5 years of gentoo and poratge is still pissing me off |
| [08:08:33] | alieas: | wow! mplayer is playing back smooth video !! |
| [08:08:45] | alieas: | man this is what makes it all worth it |
| [08:09:16] | alieas: | its still got some interlacing probs, motion artifacts are they called? but damn.... smooth playback |
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| [11:03:24] | psofa: | for my pvr 150 |
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| [11:05:08] | Dagmar: | psofa: *sigh* If you'd looked at the docs that came with the ivtv driver you'd know about it's utils/ subdirectory |
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| [11:13:04] | psofa: | Dagmar, *channel scanning* meaning finetune and not just enter frequency |
| [11:14:34] | Juski: | fine tune it yourself |
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| [11:33:21] | laga: | re |
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| [11:34:14] | Juski: | wb laga |
| [11:34:24] | laga: | hi Juski |
| [11:34:27] | laga: | no cable yet :/ |
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| [11:34:44] | Juski: | got gentoo installed last night, but I couldn't get X working. I think it's mostly just a config issue |
| [11:34:55] | laga: | X? on TV or via VGA? |
| [11:34:58] | Juski: | one thing – it's way too big |
| [11:35:01] | Juski: | vga |
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| [11:35:19] | Juski: | 1.5GB so far! |
| [11:35:21] | laga: | X is way too big? like, you can mouse your move and the screen kinda scrolls? |
| [11:35:24] | laga: | ah, ok. |
| [11:35:35] | laga: | Juski: including portage and distfiles? |
| [11:35:37] | Juski: | prolly a whole lot less without portage & stuff but even so... |
| [11:36:06] | Juski: | downloaded this: http://www.growiba.de/zenega/ISO-Umgebung.zip |
| [11:36:28] | Juski: | dunno exactly what it is yet.. damn work internet connection blocks translation now |
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| [11:37:44] | laga: | hehe :) |
| [11:40:35] | Juski: | crap... no zenslack |
| [11:41:00] | Juski: | getting pissed off at that forum now. there's no proper structure. threads are like 13 pages long |
| [11:41:45] | Juski: | and the password to get the distros... shit! |
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| [11:43:33] | Juski: | now I know how to get the thing to boot from whatever device I want I might try knoppmyth on it |
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| [11:44:25] | laga: | you? knoppmyth? |
| [11:45:08] | Juski: | just to try it |
| [11:45:17] | Juski: | see what it supports out of the box |
| [11:45:47] | laga: | yeah. first one is always free. |
| [11:46:29] | Juski: | lol |
| [11:46:54] | Juski: | if it crashes the backend this time I'll start a campaign against it for sure |
| [11:48:43] | laga: | hehe |
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| [11:49:06] | Juski: | evil fucking bastard passwordS!!! |
| [11:49:18] | Juski: | gpl my arse |
| [11:49:57] | dscoular: | Your arse is now gpl ? |
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| [11:50:16] | sapbeast: | i would definitely not want to use it then |
| [11:50:25] | sapbeast: | you dont know where its been |
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| [11:51:52] | badmod: | why even bother protecting a release with passwords? it's just ludicrous |
| [11:52:41] | badmod: | oh. I think I know why |
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| [12:02:56] | badmod: | when I get mine going there'll be no protected access |
| [12:03:02] | badmod: | when == (if) |
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| [12:54:30] | dev: | ok i think today is switch backend day |
| [12:55:11] | SunTzuTech: | wish I could get my backend working |
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| [12:55:22] | dev: | keep at it, you'll get it |
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| [12:55:42] | dev: | i spent 1700$ on a new backend |
| [12:55:45] | dev: | hehe! |
| [12:55:48] | Juski: | everyone's stuff must be working today – it's very quiet |
| [12:55:53] | gardengnome: | yep. |
| [12:56:03] | gardengnome: | or they're just falling asleep, like i do |
| [12:56:16] | dev: | these recordings need to finish rsyncing |
| [12:56:20] | Juski: | calmed down now :-) not been that angry in a while |
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| [12:56:38] | dev: | then its shutdown time, rename new backend, rename old backend, transfer db, blow out tuners, recreate tuners, cross fingers, start everything back up |
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| [12:56:42] | dev: | what could go wrong! :) |
| [12:56:51] | gardengnome: | Juski: heh. still no cables for me, BTW. |
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| [12:57:25] | SunTzuTech: | I just cannot get my PVR-150 to not get static. |
| [12:57:43] | SunTzuTech: | Sound I got. Picture I don't |
| [12:58:04] | gardengnome: | dev: uh, lots? ;) |
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| [13:00:53] | dev: | hehe |
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| [13:05:29] | SunTzuTech: | I'm running KnoppMyth R5C7 with updated ivtv-0.4.5, but still can't seem to break the static barrier |
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| [13:25:40] | speedsix: | howdy all |
| [13:44:25] | sapbeast: | torture: installing windows 95 |
| [13:44:38] | sapbeast: | fun: installing windows 95 and seeing how every website is broken in the default browser |
| [13:46:27] | gardengnome: | hum. your definition of "fun" makes pictures of whips and leather pop into my mind |
| [13:47:17] | sapbeast: | LOL firefox wont even install |
| [13:47:43] | RaYmAn-Bx: | sapbeast: original win95 didn't even have a browser =P |
| [13:47:59] | sapbeast: | duh |
| [13:48:02] | sapbeast: | this is 95b |
| [13:48:16] | RaYmAn-Bx: | fancy :P |
| [13:48:32] | sapbeast: | i cant even find a disk of 95a |
| [13:48:41] | sapbeast: | i think everyone destroyed those in fires |
| [13:49:32] | scopeuk: | why whould you want 95a |
| [13:49:43] | scopeuk: | think i hav an origional in retail box round here somewhere |
| [13:50:31] | speedsix: | anyone know anything about starting multiple X sessions? Can I start mythfrontend on a second X session on my second monitor? |
| [13:50:51] | Dagmar: | You might want 95a if you were looking to set up a really unstable 95 machine |
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| [13:51:19] | Dagmar: | speedsix: It'll go to whatever display is the one you've got running with that session |
| [13:51:37] | Dagmar: | You just have to set the DISPLAY variable appropriately |
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| [13:53:59] | speedsix: | Dagmar, at the moment I have a regular dualscreen setup which runs a seperate instance of gnome on each screen. I am currently starting mythfrontend on the second display. The problem with this is both screens 'share' the same focus in that if I use screen 0, mythfrontend will lose foucus on screen 1. I want to just start mythfrontend on screen 1 without a window manager or anything in the hope that it keeps focus. If that makes sense |
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| [13:55:17] | qu0zl: | speedsix, we use a X program called devilspie in work for somethign kind of similar |
| [13:55:28] | qu0zl: | you can make it keep a particular program always at the front |
| [13:55:55] | qu0zl: | may suit for what you want, and be easier/quicker than setting up a non-gnome session on the second display |
| [13:56:19] | speedsix: | qu0zl I want to switch, i.e sometimes I'm navigating myth on the second screen and sometimes I use the first screen as my regular desktop |
| [13:56:39] | Dagmar: | speedsix: I have yet to see a WM that will restrict itself to only one of two displays man. You sound like you might want to look into starting two different X servers |
| [13:56:46] | speedsix: | if I use the desktop, myth loses focus and the menus stopping working with the remote |
| [13:56:55] | qu0zl: | Speedix, use myths internal lirc support |
| [13:57:01] | gardengnome: | maybe you'd like to run two different X server, there's also a program that'll distribute keyboard/mouse events |
| [13:57:07] | Dagmar: | Just put together two conf files, one for each monitor. |
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| [13:57:20] | gardengnome: | qu0zl: that won't necessarily help. |
| [13:57:34] | speedsix: | I don't think you can run 2 x servers with a dualhead card, i was under the impression you need two seperate video cards |
| [13:57:48] | qu0zl: | if he's using lirc then i thought irxevent could be told what program an event was to be sent to |
| [13:57:58] | qu0zl: | not having focus shouldn't break things. same if mythtv is the only lirc client |
| [13:58:00] | qu0zl: | surely? |
| [13:58:11] | speedsix: | yes some of the menus don't work without focus |
| [13:58:23] | qu0zl: | k, live and learn :) |
| [13:58:25] | Dagmar: | The menus could use some interface standardization |
| [13:58:26] | speedsix: | the ones with the button menus (qt?) |
| [13:58:44] | speedsix: | the main menus work fine without focus |
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| [14:00:40] | speedsix: | Could I not do... xinit mythfrontend -- :1 |
| [14:00:53] | gardengnome: | yeah, try that |
| [14:01:06] | Dagmar: | That would be the simplest way to go about it |
| [14:01:32] | Dagmar: | It's not too far from what I was doing before with two monitors |
| [14:01:54] | speedsix: | but isn't the second screen using up display 0.1? |
| [14:02:12] | Dagmar: | Now I just don't worry about it, since I'm only running the frontend on my desktop on demand, and occasionally go visit the actual television in the other room with the whole thing running on it's sole TV output |
| [14:02:24] | speedsix: | I would have to remove the line screen 1 LEFTOF screen 0 from xorg.conf |
| [14:02:41] | speedsix: | X confuses the hell outta me :/ |
| [14:02:52] | Dagmar: | Running them as two servers, there is no concept of which one is in relation to the other |
| [14:03:05] | Dagmar: | They're both single, independent servers. |
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| [14:03:28] | Dagmar: | That's the only way I know of to be able to have their focus handled separately |
| [14:03:28] | speedsix: | I tried running 2 seperate servers but it won't work |
| [14:03:49] | speedsix: | both heads have the same busID |
| [14:04:49] | speedsix: | I'm at work at the mo but I'll try starting myth on the second display without a window manager. Not sure how mouse/keyboard willk work with that |
| [14:05:06] | speedsix: | I'd imagine it would just mimic input on both screens |
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| [14:20:59] | speedsix: | What's the difference between multiple X sessions and multiple X servers? |
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| [14:39:16] | Dagmar: | Sessions are attached to users. |
| [14:39:25] | Dagmar: | X servers have their own thing going on. |
| [14:39:45] | Dagmar: | There's kind of a contextual problem comparing them |
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| [14:41:02] | speedsix: | I think I understand |
| [14:41:06] | stuarta: | afternoon all |
| [14:41:10] | speedsix: | howdy |
| [14:42:40] | speedsix: | Dagmar in my xorg.conf I have.. |
| [14:42:46] | speedsix: | Screen 0 "Monitor" |
| [14:43:02] | speedsix: | Screen 1 "TV "LEFTOF "Monitor" |
| [14:43:24] | speedsix: | if I replaced the second line with just Screen 1 "TV" |
| [14:43:47] | speedsix: | that would give me seperate X sessions without sharing mouse focus wouldn't it? |
| [14:44:17] | stuarta: | no, that would let X decide which order to line the up in |
| [14:44:37] | speedsix: | Oh I see |
| [14:46:21] | speedsix: | So could I delete the second line and start mythfrontend on a second xsession on the tv? |
| [14:47:14] | speedsix: | or can you only start multiple X sessions on virtual terminals? |
| [14:47:42] | stuarta: | no, you'd need another X server running to control it, and you can't split a card between two servers |
| [14:49:04] | speedsix: | hmm, that is a pain |
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| [14:52:03] | dev: | hrm i wonder what will happen with my recordings on my old slavebackend when they're all moved to a central storage |
| [14:52:13] | dev: | actually, nothing i bet, since it'll be nfsmounted on that old frontend |
| [14:52:21] | dev: | figured that out as i was typeing that sentence lol |
| [14:52:41] | dev: | paths arent changing |
| [14:53:08] | Dagmar: | It's almost a shame we can't have them autovivify a SAN for it |
| [14:53:19] | Dagmar: | ReplayTV had something kinda like that |
| [14:53:41] | Dagmar: | Their hardware was so dismally underpowered tho |
| [14:54:25] | janneg: | yeah, new valgrind release. memcheck is 15–30% faster and uses less memory |
| [14:54:48] | Dibblah: | Oooh. Nice. |
| [14:55:07] | Dibblah: | So it's only 100% slower than realtime now? ;) |
| [14:55:26] | speedsix: | Would I be correct in saying your display manager (i.e gdm) starts your X server which in turn starts your WM? |
| [14:55:30] | ** stuarta goes looking for it. ** | |
| [14:55:41] | Dagmar: | gdm is a login manager |
| [14:56:29] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: Ummmm... http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/bo . . . k/x-xdm.html |
| [14:56:30] | speedsix: | is that what initiates your X server? |
| [14:56:43] | Dagmar: | If you're using it, yes, gdm starts the X server |
| [14:57:01] | speedsix: | ..which then starts your WM right? |
| [14:57:06] | Dibblah: | And "Gnome Display Manager" sorta gives it away ;) |
| [14:57:46] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: There's things which don't use the context of creating a user login session tho |
| [14:57:58] | Dagmar: | Kiosk stuff mainly |
| [14:58:13] | Dibblah: | Personally, I cheat. |
| [14:58:35] | Dagmar: | I have definitely spent way too much time tearing machines to pieces. I just realized how pedantic what I said was |
| [14:58:38] | Dibblah: | su – -l -c /usr/X11R6/bin/startx 1>&2 >/dev/null & |
| [15:06:15] | Dagmar: | WHat I need are more experimental beers. |
| [15:07:41] | Dagmar: | I taunted insomnia all last week and I have no intention of continuing that. I almost never drink, so this works out better than sleeping pills for sure. :) |
| [15:11:40] | psofa: | can myth work with Diseq switches? |
| [15:16:23] | dev: | hrm why doesnt mythtv-setup allow my tp specify a starting channel anymore |
| [15:16:35] | dev: | it jumps all over the plac efrom 10-100–88 and stuff, nbever saw that before |
| [15:16:51] | stuarta: | psofa: yes, though a rewrite is now in progress |
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| [15:17:23] | psofa: | stuarta, does this mean it doesnt currently work good? |
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| [15:17:40] | psofa: | im using 10098 trunk |
| [15:17:42] | stuarta: | it works, it's just not clean or simple |
| [15:17:53] | stuarta: | or logical |
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| [15:27:05] | Juski: | artynoon |
| [15:27:16] | stuarta: | erp! :) |
| [15:27:34] | Juski: | has someone been to the pub today already? :-P |
| [15:27:53] | stuarta: | I went to the supermarket for lunch |
| [15:28:17] | stuarta: | then found lots of people outside the pub on the way back |
| [15:28:28] | Juski: | checked the temps of my backends hdds today. wish I'd never done that |
| [15:28:31] | stuarta: | and it would've been rude not to join them for a pint |
| [15:28:34] | Juski: | lol |
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| [15:30:16] | ** stuarta did that once... hot... ** | |
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| [15:34:59] | jams: | heh that windows-port email was kinda funny |
| [15:36:10] | hashbang: | Juski: smartctl++ |
| [15:36:35] | hashbang: | Juski: mine are currently around 34/35 degrees celsius |
| [15:36:43] | hashbang: | Juski: and the CPU's around 30 |
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| [15:40:01] | stuarta_: | damn adsl link |
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| [15:42:39] | stuarta: | must be too hot for the adsl link... |
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| [15:49:56] | ** Juski bets hashbang's system isn't housed in a surplus case :-) ** | |
| [15:50:17] | Juski: | 56 deg C, one of my disks is |
| [15:51:13] | Juski: | next upgrade will be fewer, bigger HDDs instead |
| [15:52:24] | Juski: | oh god. now it's 60'C! I'll have to take action or it's just going to die prematurely |
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| [16:00:59] | dev: | hrm, why would removing capture cards from mythtv-setup start genering duplicate entry's to the keybinding table on one of my frontends? heh |
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| [16:04:02] | dev: | bleh cant change channels either |
| [16:04:22] | dev: | select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding |
| [16:04:24] | dev: | lol |
| [16:04:37] | dev: | and that was caused by moving storage to a another box... riiigghhttt. |
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| [16:07:12] | stuarta: | Juski: i had to move my case fan so it extracted air from around the HDDs |
| [16:09:24] | Juski: | well I think I have to _add_ a case fan |
| [16:09:30] | Juski: | cos it doesn't have one |
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| [16:13:22] | dev: | rebuffering, thats a new one |
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| [16:18:15] | dev: | any of you guys run into a problem where you can hit "watch livetv", it plays current channel, but then when you go to switch channels it stops reponding? |
| [16:18:48] | dev: | just get a bunch of invalid filenames in mythfrontend log ;/ RingBuf(/mnt/store//1002_20060607121729.mpg): Invalid file (fd 13) when opening '/mnt/store//1002_20060607121729.mpg'. 0 retries remaining |
| [16:18:53] | dev: | but that file exists |
| [16:24:05] | dev: | my database is populated as well |
| [16:25:32] | dev: | 2006-06–07 12:26:57.930 NVP::OpenFile(): Error, file not found: /mnt/store//1004_20060607122511.mpg |
| [16:25:44] | dev: | chris@roy ~ $ ls -l /mnt/store//1004_20060607122511.mpg |
| [16:25:44] | dev: | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jun 7 12:25 /mnt/store//1004_20060607122511.mpg |
| [16:25:46] | dev: | wtf? |
| [16:27:20] | dev: | fucking nfs |
| [16:31:52] | dev: | darn. actimeo=0 didnt fix it ;/ |
| [16:32:01] | dev: | any of you guys useing nfs shares for recording? what options do you use to mount? |
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| [16:41:38] | ben: | dev, doesn't seem to be a good idea |
| [16:41:49] | dev: | plenty of people do it |
| [16:41:57] | dev: | im actually a bit surprised im having issues with livetv with it |
| [16:42:08] | ben: | hmm |
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| [16:42:38] | dev: | at least the problem is only livetv |
| [16:42:42] | dev: | recordings apparently record fine |
| [16:42:54] | dev: | which is good, but i want livetv to work as well |
| [16:44:05] | dev: | argos:/mnt/store on /mnt/store type nfs (rw,noatime,actimeo=0,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,hard,intr,nfsvers=3,addr=192.168.0.8 ) |
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| [16:44:23] | dev: | thats how i have it mounted, but when i change channels it bombs and says it cant find the ringbuffer recording |
| [16:44:33] | dev: | but its strange, because it tries to use myth:// not local disk |
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| [16:45:29] | dev: | im useing fixes up to 9163 |
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| [16:49:27] | sixy: | how can i stop dvds playing back in foreign? |
| [16:49:51] | Juski: | use a legal dvd player? :-P |
| [16:50:11] | dev: | juski dont you use nfs for storage? |
| [16:50:17] | Juski: | dev: yup |
| [16:50:20] | sixy: | mplayer = legal?? |
| [16:50:25] | dev: | what options do you use to mount? |
| [16:50:25] | Juski: | sixy: nope |
| [16:50:34] | RaYmAn-Bx: | Juski: depends on country |
| [16:50:36] | dev: | im having weird livetv ringbuffer problems where it cant find a file even though its there |
| [16:50:57] | Juski: | dev: standard mounting options i found somewhere |
| [16:51:18] | sixy: | thats interesting – why not? and is xine legal? |
| [16:51:25] | dev: | Juski: can you paste? heh |
| [16:51:31] | dev: | should only be a line.. |
| [16:51:34] | Juski: | well, libdvdcss is illegal in most countries |
| [16:51:54] | RaYmAn-Bx: | sixy: essentially, anything not licensed is illegal..the dvd decryption algorithms and stuff |
| [16:52:23] | RaYmAn-Bx: | luckily it's legal in Denmark :) (explicitly for playing dvd's on alternative OS') |
| [16:52:25] | Juski: | anyway sixy: the problem isn't the dvd player – it's that the authors of the dvd have been crafty (prollY) and put the wrong soundtrack in the wrong stream |
| [16:53:10] | Juski: | dev: export line... /media 192.168.1.20(rw,sync,no_root_squash) |
| [16:53:27] | sixy: | ive just found an mplayer option -alang which might work. also in the uk i cant see any reason why libdvdcss would be illegal |
| [16:53:29] | dev: | ok, how about fstab? |
| [16:53:32] | Juski: | and I just do mount -t nfs blah:dir /mnt/dir |
| [16:53:36] | dev: | ah ok |
| [16:53:47] | dev: | well i have async on maybe its that |
| [16:54:14] | Juski: | sixy: it's not legal, technically |
| [16:55:01] | sixy: | according to wikipedia the problem is thaty it cirumvents css – but many commercial dvd players sold in the uk do that |
| [16:55:23] | Juski: | sixy: so they're breaking the law too :-P |
| [16:55:40] | sixy: | well if they are then i will /jumps on bandwagon |
| [16:56:03] | sixy: | ah good -alang en works perfectly |
| [16:56:04] | dev: | hrm this is wack |
| [16:56:18] | Juski: | I was kidding anyway. it's not like you can get a licenced player easily for any given distro |
| [16:56:43] | Juski: | want me to not break the law? make it easy for me _not_ to ;-) |
| [16:57:11] | Juski: | I could've used windows, but erm.. nah :-P |
| [16:57:40] | sixy: | by the way – do you know why xv works perfectly for transcoded dvds with very low cpu usage but stutters with dvd playback, whereas gl2 works perfectly for dvds, but has very high cu? |
| [16:57:43] | dev: | any idea why myth would switch to use myth:// when changing a channel instead of /mnt/store/blahblah, like it does when you first start livetv? |
| [16:58:23] | Juski: | dev: it always tries ;local' storage first AFAIK |
| [16:58:31] | dev: | thats what the docs say |
| [16:58:32] | Juski: | 'local' could mean an NFS mount btw |
| [16:58:36] | dev: | but i dont even see it trying when i change channels |
| [16:58:38] | dev: | yeah i know |
| [16:59:09] | dev: | when i first start watching livetv, it looks 'local' (nfs), works... i can see video.. audio.. etc... then i go into the guide, choose a new channel, and then i see it trying to open with myth:// |
| [16:59:15] | dev: | dont even see it trying to use 'local' (nfs) |
| [16:59:16] | Juski: | sixy: I just use xxmc |
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| [16:59:51] | Juski: | dev: no idea. check the ML |
| [17:00:19] | sixy: | xxmc? you mean xvmc? |
| [17:00:33] | Juski: | xxmc – the xine option |
| [17:00:41] | dev: | yeah, have been ;/ |
| [17:00:48] | dev: | and google as well |
| [17:00:59] | Juski: | might be time for a post about it, dev ;-) |
| [17:01:05] | sixy: | ohhhh ok. couldnt see xxmc as an mplayer option :) |
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| [17:01:10] | dhuv: | hello all |
| [17:01:12] | gutano: | anyone here know a JFS or XFS driver for windows? (found a free ext2/ext3 one)... I'd like to have access to my large media partition from both OS's, and I've given up on fat32 for my windows installs =/ |
| [17:01:37] | dhuv: | I have accidentally added a "Movies" and "Movies " recording group |
| [17:01:42] | dhuv: | how can I remove one of those? |
| [17:02:11] | Juski: | gutano: if you're that keem why not just do it the other way around? you can mount ntfs quite simply, and even write support is possible now. |
| [17:02:49] | sixy: | gutano: http://www.crossmeta.com/ |
| [17:03:05] | gutano: | Juski: my understanding is that decent ntfs solutions require wrapping a windows dll... bit hackish... and aside from that I would like my media partition to survive both linux/windows formats/re-installs |
| [17:03:16] | kormoc: | gutano, or even just setup samba so your windows boxes can just browse them via network neighborhood |
| [17:04:01] | sixy: | kormoc: i assume from context that he is dual-booting gutano: is this correct? |
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| [17:04:36] | Juski: | ugh.. how do you delete groups? |
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| [17:05:21] | Juski: | looks like you don't, not without mangling the DB |
| [17:05:47] | gutano: | old way of doing it... Linux partition(whatever)/Windows partitions(fat32)/Large Media partition(a linux type) |
| [17:05:57] | gutano: | I would just write stuff to a fat32 when I wanted it in windows |
| [17:06:16] | gutano: | but access to large media from both sides would be a nice upgrade |
| [17:06:22] | sixy: | gutano: as i said http://www.crossmeta.com/ |
| [17:06:29] | gutano: | yeah, I got site open atm |
| [17:07:59] | dev: | maybe what im trying to do is just undoable :( |
| [17:08:09] | dev: | masterbackend with no tuners, just storage, and 2 slaves with tuners |
| [17:08:24] | dev: | theoretically it should work fine ;p |
| [17:08:34] | dev: | though i dot know if anyone has tried it |
| [17:08:49] | kormoc: | gutano, you could always fat32 just the media partition then, that's what I'd likely do |
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| [17:09:14] | gutano: | kormoc: media partition is going to have bunch of files over 4GB =/ |
| [17:09:25] | kormoc: | ooh, icky |
| [17:09:39] | gutano: | kormoc: that's one of the reasons I wanted to stop using fat32 for my windows installs =( |
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| [17:10:31] | Juski: | huv: delete from playgroup where name = 'thename'; — would be the mysql you'd need |
| [17:12:13] | Juski: | dhuv: ^^^ |
| [17:12:35] | dhuv: | Juski: thanks, so I have to do this in mysql, OK |
| [17:13:00] | Juski: | I think that's the name of the table.. couldn't find one called recgroup or similar |
| [17:13:27] | Juski: | anyway... |
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| [17:18:57] | sixy: | dev why not put tuners in the backend? but if you really dont want to, cant you just ln -s to the network location? |
| [17:19:10] | dev: | because the backend is in my computer room, where there isnt any cable |
| [17:19:12] | dev: | i also have 4 tuners |
| [17:19:23] | dev: | 2 in each slavebackend |
| [17:20:05] | dev: | the slavebackends are also frontends |
| [17:20:14] | sixy: | ah ok.. would a symbolic like to the network location work? you would have to have petty open shares but... |
| [17:20:25] | sixy: | *link |
| [17:20:32] | dev: | i just tried to watch livetv on one of those, and change the channel, and it tried to pull the new mpg up locally but it said it was 'waiting for data to become available' |
| [17:20:41] | dev: | ls -l /mnt/store//1006_20060607131818.mpg |
| [17:20:41] | dev: | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 65600 Jun 7 13:18 /mnt/store//1006_20060607131818.mpg |
| [17:20:46] | dev: | seems like data is available to me |
| [17:21:17] | dev: | a symlink for what? im mounting /mnt/store over nfs to the same path it would look for for local files |
| [17:21:23] | dev: | it should be transparent |
| [17:21:59] | sixy: | yeah ok that *should* work – as far as i understand nfs anyway |
| [17:22:10] | dev: | it works fine for recordings |
| [17:22:18] | dev: | its livetv thats having problems, only when i change the channel |
| [17:22:18] | sixy: | but not livetv? |
| [17:22:30] | dev: | but when i change the channel, the ivtv module stops reponding and everyhint |
| [17:22:32] | dev: | everything |
| [17:22:38] | dev: | have to rmmod, then re-modprobe |
| [17:22:50] | sixy: | i tried to do a similar thing with mce and ran into trouble with the way livetv files are created and named |
| [17:22:54] | GreyFoxx: | man, I love it when you finally crack a problem you;'ve been workingon for a while |
| [17:22:54] | dev: | its got to be something to do with nfs |
| [17:23:10] | GreyFoxx: | scopeuk: I have accelerated video playback+tvout working on the MSNTV :) |
| [17:23:18] | dev: | GreyFoxx: need a new one? ;/ livetv and nfs are not being happy for me :( |
| [17:23:32] | GreyFoxx: | and I can say with 95% certainty I can use the same code to get it working in pal |
| [17:23:33] | sixy: | greyfoxx – fancy posting a howto? |
| [17:23:53] | sixy: | that sounds useful for the general population |
| [17:24:09] | GreyFoxx: | sixy: I'll write something once I cleanup the code and pull it into one two. I've got it in multiple apps for tweaking stuff |
| [17:25:05] | GreyFoxx: | err pull it into one app I mean |
| [17:25:14] | sixy: | ahh. :D |
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| [17:27:59] | sixy: | dev i eventually gave up tryng to get mce to play livetv over the network with a similar setup, but when i was trying i was using a fifo to act as a buffer between the output of the tuner and the input of the network device |
| [17:28:21] | sixy: | i got further with that – might be worth looking into for your solution |
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| [17:29:10] | dev: | sixy: ive had 2 backends for a long time, 2 tuners in each, and the livetv streams have always gone off the second backend... have had no problems |
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| [17:29:33] | dev: | thing is, the livetv recordings have been stored locally on that slave backend |
| [17:29:41] | Blaubaer35: | Hi, how do i know the number i should enter after the prompt "Choose a channel ID (positive integer)" when i do a mythfilldatabase --manual |
| [17:29:41] | dev: | now i have central storage for both the backends, and now i have this problem |
| [17:29:47] | dev: | hrm hrm hrm |
| [17:29:58] | sixy: | yes that is odd. |
| [17:30:11] | dev: | it complains that the files arent there, or that they have no data, yet they do |
| [17:30:58] | sixy: | i would still try pumping it through a buffer as the micro-seconds of delay may be an issue with you current setup may be an issue |
| [17:30:58] | dev: | so i was thinking a cacheing problem, but i set actimeo to 0 like someone recommended on google but it doesnt help |
| [17:31:12] | dev: | pump it through a buffer? |
| [17:31:14] | kormoc: | Blaubaer35, why are you doing it manually? |
| [17:31:28] | sixy: | ok shckingly bad language |
| [17:32:00] | Blaubaer35: | kormoc: because "You _MUST_ run 'mythfilldatabase --manual the first time, ..." |
| [17:32:02] | sixy: | what i mean is direct the output of the livetv to the fifo and get the input from the master backend to read from the fifo |
| [17:32:11] | kormoc: | Blaubaer35, where are you reading that? |
| [17:32:17] | dev: | i dont know c/c++ :( |
| [17:32:22] | dev: | im just a lowly sys admin |
| [17:32:23] | dev: | hehe |
| [17:32:26] | sixy: | hehe |
| [17:33:01] | sixy: | im trying to teach myself c, but time and the fact that its hard is getting in the way |
| [17:33:10] | Blaubaer35: | kormoc: after updating the list with de_tvtoday_channel_list (or something like that, cant remember) |
| [17:33:13] | sixy: | for the minute i have a friend that does it for me |
| [17:33:57] | Blaubaer35: | kormoc: i have a channels.conf, does that help me? |
| [17:34:27] | kormoc: | Blaubaer35, ooh, if you are german, #mythtv-de is a german channel for mythtv |
| [17:34:41] | kormoc: | Blaubaer35, as, I never knew you had to do that with german programming. |
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| [17:35:45] | Blaubaer35: | kormoc: thanks, i will ask there. |
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| [17:36:12] | dev: | this sure is weird. the new livetv channel, when changing, is written... 96320 Jun 7 13:34 1007_20060607133429.mpg — but the frontend trying to play it says 'waiting for data' |
| [17:36:27] | dev: | then i get ivtv driver has stopped responding in the backend log |
| [17:37:10] | dev: | i saw someone commited a patch to svn for that ivtv driver has stopped responding error, but i dont see why id be getting this all of a sudden |
| [17:37:25] | dhuv: | Juski: that only has Default in it |
| [17:37:27] | dev: | just because of the nfs addition? doesnt seem pheasible... and plenty of people use nfs.. |
| [17:37:36] | dhuv: | the playgroup does not have any other rows |
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| [17:39:42] | dev: | it something to do with nfs i know it |
| [17:39:52] | dev: | and not only because thats the only change ive made in a year hehe |
| [17:40:15] | dev: | the tuner is changing channels, when i rmmod ivtv and modprobe it, go back into livetv, its on the channel i chose to switch to |
| [17:40:22] | dev: | its definitely some kind of buffer issue and its got to do with nfs |
| [17:40:31] | dev: | but argh i dunno what! :) |
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| [17:41:37] | dev: | backend playback log shows its trying to open it correctly |
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| [17:42:06] | dev: | then nadda. locks up. hrmph |
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| [17:44:06] | dev: | oh man |
| [17:44:11] | dev: | could it really be as simple as just downgrading ivtv... |
| [17:44:27] | dev: | i asked the woman if she watched livetv after i did hte driver update and she said yes |
| [17:44:29] | dev: | if this works |
| [17:44:32] | dev: | im going to kill her |
| [17:44:34] | dev: | :) |
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| [17:49:23] | _willcooke_: | all you dev people > now that we have lmsensors support could the configure file be ammended to included an "echo Sensors Support $lmsensors" somewhere? Just a though. |
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| [17:50:46] | dev: | THAT BITCH |
| [17:50:47] | dev: | IM GONNA KILL HER |
| [17:50:50] | dev: | !%^@! |
| [17:50:58] | dev: | make me spend hours on this stupid problem |
| [17:51:05] | Blaubaer35: | kormoc: on mythtv-de no one is answering... maybe you know what number to insert after "Choose a channel number (just like xawtv)"? |
| [17:51:31] | kormoc: | that would be the channel number, like channel 35 is tnt for myself |
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| [17:52:48] | dev: | kormoc: do you recall where that script for cleaning out old metadata from the db is? |
| [17:55:50] | dev: | morale of the story, ivtv 0.4.5 bad |
| [17:55:56] | dev: | bad bad bad bad |
| [17:55:58] | dev: | ;p |
| [17:56:21] | kormoc: | heh |
| [17:56:29] | kormoc: | you can check the contrib folder for the scritps |
| [17:56:31] | kormoc: | *scripts |
| [17:56:51] | dev: | ah. thanks. some reason, id forget my head if it wasnt attached today |
| [17:59:05] | dev: | hrm i dont see it... i thought one existed |
| [17:59:11] | dev: | 2006-06–07 13:58:21.896 AutoExpire: ERROR when trying to autoexpire file: /mnt/store//1006_20060607131818.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed. |
| [17:59:13] | dev: | for that |
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| [18:20:55] | LoLander: | dev: you think it should have a // in the path? |
| [18:23:48] | dev: | no, but its ok, it wont error because of it |
| [18:23:54] | dev: | *cough* sloppy *cough* ;) |
| [18:23:57] | SlicerDicer-: | does mythtv work with sky? |
| [18:24:13] | SlicerDicer-: | or is anybody aware |
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| [18:24:34] | SlicerDicer-: | nvm http://www.heenan.me.uk/control-sky-from-pc/ |
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| [18:29:06] | asheron: | with a TwinhanDTV Cab-CI (2033 Mantis) what is the cardtype , in need to for my capture card settings |
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| [18:30:21] | _willcooke_: | hi Juski |
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| [18:30:49] | Juski: | evening |
| [18:31:28] | slimz: | hi, i would like to know if anyone can point me in the right direction for help on setting up a mythtv media center with an ti video card hooked up straight to a television only. im having some problems installing and using ubuntu since im not using a monitor. |
| [18:31:46] | slimz: | ti=ati |
| [18:32:31] | ** Juski is no help for ATI related matters ** | |
| [18:33:57] | LoLander: | slimz : I suggest starting with a Monitor and setting up two screens in x configuration. remove monitor later. |
| [18:35:26] | Juski: | _willcooke_: I got my new toy.. just working on getting X running now |
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| [18:37:07] | slimz: | LoLander: how do you remove the screen? (the monitor) |
| [18:38:47] | LoLander: | slimz: read up on xorg.conf |
| [18:39:15] | Juski: | oo yeah.. got X loaded.. pretty basic stuff |
| [18:43:31] | _willcooke_: | Juski, What ya got? |
| [18:45:23] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: I got the MSNTV tvout+accelerated video working today! Woo |
| [18:45:58] | GreyFoxx: | Before I left for work I plugged it's out into one of my pvr cards so that I can get at it from here :) |
| [18:47:13] | Juski: | this is gonna be much more complicated than I thought.. before I can emerge the intel i810 driver I need to unmask a big bunch of packages... looks like the whole of X |
| [18:47:21] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: nice one |
| [18:47:38] | Juski: | _willcooke_: www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/s100/ |
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| [18:49:26] | _willcooke_: | Juski, nice! |
| [18:49:47] | Juski: | nice, if I ever get vga working properly yeah |
| [18:50:29] | _willcooke_: | Juski, Is the SCART a "video out" then? |
| [18:50:32] | Juski: | I think I might be able to cheat & just use a binary |
| [18:50:36] | Juski: | _willcooke_: yup |
| [18:50:39] | Juski: | RGB too I think |
| [18:51:00] | Juski: | same tv encoder as some xboxes |
| [18:51:02] | _willcooke_: | What video card is that then? |
| [18:51:10] | Juski: | intel i830 |
| [18:51:24] | Juski: | focus fs454 tv encoder |
| [18:51:28] | ** _willcooke_ googled ** | |
| [18:51:32] | _willcooke_: | s |
| [18:51:47] | Juski: | quite tweakable looking at the Intel dev. kit notes |
| [18:52:33] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, and you wont have to do the hackery I did to get it to working like I did |
| [18:52:51] | Juski: | I had to let off some steam today because there's already a couple of ready-made distros for this box.. alas the downloads are password protected & I haven't heard anything back from the PM I sent |
| [18:52:52] | GreyFoxx: | I like the built in vifi |
| [18:53:21] | Juski: | so it's looking like I'm gonna have to reinvent the wheel :-/ |
| [18:53:33] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: NFSROOT it |
| [18:53:44] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [18:53:52] | Juski: | lol |
| [18:53:58] | Juski: | not on this IP address ;-) |
| [18:54:31] | Juski: | I can't resist saying this again... but HOW LAME?! |
| [18:55:16] | Juski: | I've only been able to think of one good reason why they'd protect it like that... |
| [18:55:18] | Juski: | anyway |
| [18:55:22] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
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| [18:58:29] | Juski: | hmm now I need to check which, if any, driver is built into the xorg I have now |
| [18:59:44] | _willcooke_: | Ooo – the 2600 "Off The Hook" back catalogue is available for download |
| [19:00:44] | SlicerDicer-: | wow xris that mythexport will be pretty slick :) once completed |
| [19:01:05] | xris: | SlicerDicer-: or started. heh |
| [19:01:13] | SlicerDicer-: | hehe |
| [19:02:28] | xris: | there will be a lot of prep work |
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| [19:06:15] | Juski: | rebuildy kernel |
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| [19:13:54] | Juski: | reboot.. |
| [19:14:20] | Juski: | _willcooke_: so how much are they gonna be charging people for ROMs? |
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| [19:14:39] | speedsix: | Hi all |
| [19:15:05] | Juski: | hi speedsix |
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| [19:15:37] | speedsix: | How are you with xorg.conf files? |
| [19:15:48] | Juski: | don't even go there |
| [19:16:02] | m13a8: | how do i set up mythtv to record to divx? or atleast record to mpeg then transcode to divx |
| [19:16:23] | speedsix: | god I hate configuring X it's a fcuking pain |
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| [19:18:01] | Juski: | no use at making xorg.conf files from scratch though |
| [19:18:09] | Juski: | umbongo make it dead easy |
| [19:18:56] | Juski: | omg... 'no video BIOS found' :-/ |
| [19:20:05] | speedsix: | Basically I have an nvidia 5200 crapola with VGA & DVI outputs. I had my comp monitor on the dvi with a dvi>vga converter and my tv on the vga port. I've now got a dvi cable for the tv so cables had to be swapped round on the vid card. Obviously X had a fit and I can't reverse the file to correct the problem |
| [19:20:32] | speedsix: | it's all just gone splat and it will not go unsplat |
| [19:20:57] | m13a8: | speedsix: that was beautiful, i will quote you many times on that one |
| [19:21:04] | Juski: | can't you ssh into the box to fix it? |
| [19:21:16] | Juski: | or use a bootable cd, mount the fs & fix it? |
| [19:21:18] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Sounds like IEGD isn't loading |
| [19:21:20] | speedsix: | m13a8, I thang yow |
| [19:21:29] | GreyFoxx: | loading the intel X server loads it's own video bios |
| [19:21:34] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: IEGD? |
| [19:21:46] | speedsix: | it's been a long day, my voacabulary has retired for the evening ;) |
| [19:22:05] | GreyFoxx: | The Intel embedded graphics driver for embedded platforms using the intel i8xx or i9xx chips |
| [19:22:19] | Juski: | ah |
| [19:22:25] | speedsix: | Juski, it's basically ignoring the resoltions in the xorg.conf, I can get both screens up but with shitty res |
| [19:22:27] | GreyFoxx: | they also suppy the fs encoder module so I assumed you were using that |
| [19:23:47] | speedsix: | I specify a single modeline for my tv's native res of 1360x768 and when it boots all I can choose is a bunch of shitty res sub 640x480 |
| [19:24:46] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: I followed someone's advice (can't right now remember who) and put something in a file that was supposed to guarantee I got xorg with intel built in |
| [19:25:35] | _willcooke_: | Juski, roms? |
| [19:25:54] | Juski: | _willcooke_: 2600... the atari thing... I thought... nm |
| [19:26:59] | _willcooke_: | Juski, Ahh – no 2600 Hz, the phone phreak thang |
| [19:27:13] | Juski: | ahhh. |
| [19:27:15] | opello: | the quarter tone |
| [19:27:28] | _willcooke_: | the "on hook" tone :) |
| [19:27:30] | Juski: | I remember reading about that in 'the hackers handbook' many moons ago |
| [19:27:35] | opello: | ah :) |
| [19:27:46] | _willcooke_: | If only it still worked! |
| [19:28:07] | speedsix: | brb |
| [19:28:12] | opello: | darn digital switching technology and good sounding land lines :) |
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| [19:28:42] | _willcooke_: | Still voip means we dont have to steal phone calls any more – just made a test voip call routed via 2 voip providers to a toll free in the states – sound quality was excellent |
| [19:28:45] | Juski: | _willcooke_: the new guy at work used to work @ Marconi where they made BT exchanges |
| [19:29:10] | _willcooke_: | Did they make the stroger? |
| [19:29:13] | _willcooke_: | sp |
| [19:29:13] | _willcooke_: | ? |
| [19:29:48] | Juski: | stronger? there are still backdoors, but the secrets are very closely guarded |
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| [19:30:41] | Juski: | this really is no good. xf86-video-i810 is masked... unmask it & it unleashes a russian doll of masked dependencies |
| [19:31:08] | _willcooke_: | umbungo umbungo – they drink it in the congo |
| [19:31:41] | Juski: | is there an umbongo with a minimal X server without any of the gnome / kde bloat? |
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| [19:32:01] | _willcooke_: | Best bet for free calls these days is to find a company with a meridan VM system that's badly administered. Dial in to a VM box, guess the password and abuse the "outcalling" feature |
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| [19:32:10] | _willcooke_: | Good luck finding one! |
| [19:32:39] | _willcooke_: | Juski, you could install "server" and then add Xorg and WM? |
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| [19:33:34] | Juski: | I could do, but there's no guarantee they have intel i810 drivers |
| [19:34:02] | m13a8: | is there a script or something out there to make mythtv record or record then transcode to divx? |
| [19:34:22] | Juski: | I've got a HDD connected right now but I eventually want it to netboot or fit on a smallish USB stick |
| [19:34:39] | _willcooke_: | Juski, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t= . . . ghlight=i810 |
| [19:34:43] | _willcooke_: | might be out of date |
| [19:34:45] | bluey-: | how can i get the svn version to build against qt3 and not qt4? |
| [19:35:52] | RaYmAn-Bx: | Juski: if you get xvmc working with the i810 drivers, then please tell me! I can't get it to work (even with xine or mplayer) |
| [19:36:09] | Juski: | _willcooke_: cheers, then the jam I want on the other side is focus encoder support |
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| [19:37:06] | ** _willcooke_ shrugs ** | |
| [19:37:08] | eiggirC: | why does mythtv's weather module say "forecast for Tuesday" when its no longer Tuesday anywhere on the globe? |
| [19:37:21] | _willcooke_: | :)) Good question eiggirC |
| [19:37:30] | eiggirC: | (its thursday here) |
| [19:38:14] | Juski: | _willcooke_: I know.. I'm not asking for much am I? ;-) |
| [19:38:38] | Juski: | course, I could always try using the Intel dev. kit, but that looks scary wary |
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| [19:41:49] | _willcooke_: | i'm off laters |
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| [19:49:32] | seymore__b: | hi I've been checking around on google and the ivtv website, can't find any info if the usb version of adaptecs AVC-3610 is supported? anyone know? |
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| [19:50:51] | mike__d: | hello. i just installed mythtv in ubuntu, and on running mythtv setup im getting erros, can i paste them here? |
| [19:51:01] | xris: | mike__d: did you create the database? |
| [19:51:08] | xris: | and no you can't paste. read the topic |
| [19:51:53] | mike__d: | ahh, nice |
| [19:51:59] | mike__d: | heres my error ;) |
| [19:51:59] | mike__d: | http://pastebin.ca/63022 |
| [19:52:11] | xris: | I saw the error. did you create the database? |
| [19:52:31] | mike__d: | no, i literaly just installed it in synaptic |
| [19:52:38] | mike__d: | how do i create the database? |
| [19:52:43] | xris: | read the setup documentation |
| [19:52:44] | hashbang: | mike__d: you probably haven't even started mysql, then. |
| [19:52:46] | xris: | you're missing a few key steps |
| [19:53:43] | mike__d: | anywhere i can find these steps ;) ? |
| [19:53:57] | hashbang: | mike__d: if you're not comfortable performing basic admin stuff like this, might I suggest a) knoppmyth b) mythdora or c) fedora + http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php |
| [19:54:11] | xris: | mike__d: mythtv.org, documentation |
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| [19:59:37] | mike__d: | wow this is so complicated |
| [20:00:05] | hashbang: | mike__d: hence my suggestions above. |
| [20:00:47] | hashbang: | mike__d: personally, I went with fedora + fcmyth.php, because I've been using RH/Fedora since 1995 |
| [20:01:08] | mike__d: | not really an option though, i mean this is my desktop pc, i dont really want to format it to just have mythtv |
| [20:01:08] | hashbang: | mike__d: but just following those instructions made it just work. |
| [20:01:26] | hashbang: | mike__d: you really want to run mythtv on a dedicated machine. |
| [20:01:59] | hashbang: | at least, vaguely dedicated. |
| [20:02:02] | mike__d: | well it would be nice, i was so used to having ati multimedia center before, but its so buggy |
| [20:02:17] | hashbang: | my myth box does double duty as a proxy, DNS server and firewall as well. |
| [20:03:27] | mike__d: | thats too much ;) |
| [20:03:50] | hashbang: | naw, those things are all low-impact stuff. |
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| [20:10:48] | dhuv: | when I got to watch recorded material I am presented with a list of groups that I file each recorded item in |
| [20:10:58] | dhuv: | where is that list in the myth db? |
| [20:11:13] | dhuv: | I am looking in playgroup but it only contains DEFAULT |
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| [20:20:16] | kusznir: | Hi all: Is there a tool to delete recording files that don't appear in the database? |
| [20:21:26] | kusznir: | I've got 59 recrdings listed in my db (and hence showing up for viewing), but 129 .nuv's in my dir... |
| [20:21:55] | kormoc: | kusznir, there is a script in the contrib folder that will help |
| [20:23:47] | kusznir: | thanks, I'll go look for it. |
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| [20:37:48] | Juski: | oh dear |
| [20:37:56] | dev: | this new server sure is nice |
| [20:38:05] | dev: | everything is much faster |
| [20:38:24] | Juski: | I need a new case |
| [20:38:28] | Juski: | one with some airflow |
| [20:38:44] | dev: | 4 frontends running off an xp3200 backend with a single sata 300gig sure was slow |
| [20:39:00] | dev: | now they're running off a dual xeon 2.8ghz with hardware raid5 sata2 4x300gig hehe |
| [20:39:10] | Juski: | all that sql flying around... |
| [20:39:19] | dev: | more disk io than anything |
| [20:39:36] | dev: | the big cpus were to offload all commflagging to it |
| [20:39:45] | dev: | needed something to handle 4 commflag jobs at a time |
| [20:39:46] | dev: | possibly 5 |
| [20:39:51] | dev: | (in the future) |
| [20:39:51] | Juski: | I'm gonna need a new psu. just took the current one apart (my uptime! :( ) to clean the fan and erm.. there's a cap on its way |
| [20:40:23] | dev: | plus with xfs instead of ext3, jesus, what a difference |
| [20:40:29] | Juski: | giving it time to cool down & I think I'll run without the side on til the heatwave is over |
| [20:40:49] | Juski: | 30'C in this room right now, making one disk 59'C :-/ |
| [20:40:53] | dev: | usually they run cooler with the case on... |
| [20:41:01] | dev: | because it ducts the airflow from the fans etc |
| [20:41:06] | dev: | unless you have no fans or something :) |
| [20:41:07] | Juski: | really? not when the only fan is in the PSU |
| [20:41:17] | dev: | hehe yup i guessed it |
| [20:41:26] | dev: | no case fans == asking for trouble these days. |
| [20:41:32] | Juski: | I just never got around to sorting it out properly |
| [20:41:35] | dev: | back in the celeron 500mhz days it was ok |
| [20:41:57] | Juski: | if the cheap dell boxes had any fscking pci slots... |
| [20:42:00] | Juski: | I'd buy one |
| [20:42:03] | dev: | this new backend is so damn loud. good thing its in the computer room |
| [20:42:09] | dev: | the cpu fans are like little turbines |
| [20:42:13] | Juski: | it would be with raid5 |
| [20:42:19] | dev: | its the cpu fans |
| [20:42:22] | Juski: | hotswappable too? |
| [20:42:35] | dev: | i have 2 120mm's (1 intake 1 exhaust) and 1 80mm intake on the side, but by far you hear the cpu fans |
| [20:42:38] | dev: | yeah |
| [20:42:44] | Juski: | I think that moving the HDDs into caddies might help a lot aswell |
| [20:43:13] | Juski: | at least then they'll get some air across them |
| [20:43:34] | Juski: | unless I can get a case with positions for fans in front of the HDD rack |
| [20:44:09] | dev: | yeah.. the card supports hot swapping, but the hdd's are internal not in a 5.25bay extension. so id be shuitting it down to change them. case has the hd rack right in front of the intake fan |
| [20:44:14] | dev: | so i have 120mm fan blowing right on them |
| [20:44:40] | dev: | definitely the way to go |
| [20:44:45] | dev: | sata drives run real hot |
| [20:45:30] | Juski: | cooling isn't something I've really ever had to deal with til now |
| [20:45:42] | Juski: | but with 3 tuner cards, 3 big HDDs... |
| [20:45:50] | Juski: | athlon XP heater |
| [20:47:13] | Juski: | next HDDs I buy will either be samsung or seagate |
| [20:48:18] | miketiger: | how significantly does an amplifier boost recption for hdtv? |
| [20:48:31] | Juski: | depends |
| [20:48:38] | Juski: | amps can make things worse in some cases |
| [20:49:24] | miketiger: | i get about 60–70% signal strenth on most of the channels i can receive |
| [20:50:11] | Juski: | if there's no interference messing with your signal, an amp should improve it a bit |
| [20:50:58] | Juski: | heh. old PSUs make great sources for temporary case fans :-) |
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| [20:57:32] | maniacxs: | has anyone created sucsessfully a audio cd with mythmusic? |
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| [21:05:45] | Juski: | lordy.. the filth inside that box! |
| [21:06:07] | Juski: | and bang goes a lot of uptime.. but hey I'm not in this for the keepy-up business |
| [21:06:32] | dev: | seagates are nice, particularly the 5yr warranty |
| [21:06:32] | C4T3l: | Juski: what you mean? |
| [21:07:23] | Juski: | C4T3l: just been trying to sort out a little overheating problem |
| [21:07:40] | Juski: | made meself a case fan out of an old psu fan :-) |
| [21:08:08] | dev: | Juski: you have 3 tuners, an athlon cpu, and 3 hdds in a case with no case fans? |
| [21:08:22] | C4T3l: | sweet |
| [21:08:34] | Juski: | dev – _had_, yes |
| [21:08:42] | dev: | hehe no wonder you had problems |
| [21:09:00] | Juski: | it wasn't so much a problem.. but I think I have it covered til I can get a proper case |
| [21:09:06] | dev: | i fried a pvr250 from heat |
| [21:09:15] | Juski: | get some more life out of my HDDs |
| [21:09:23] | dev: | yeah and your tuners |
| [21:09:27] | dev: | they do bad things when they get hot |
| [21:09:32] | Juski: | hmmm |
| [21:09:41] | Juski: | prevention being better than cure ;-) |
| [21:09:44] | dev: | my pvr250 that fried starting putting artifacts in recordings and stuff |
| [21:09:53] | Juski: | eew |
| [21:09:54] | dev: | then eventually, it just stopped |
| [21:10:07] | dev: | (recording anything) |
| [21:10:08] | dev: | heh |
| [21:10:18] | Juski: | not bad going, this box for a 300w psu |
| [21:10:22] | C4T3l: | i purchased an Ahanix case and the fans died at about 6 months later |
| [21:10:44] | dev: | the trick with fanlife and cooling and noise, is to get huge fans |
| [21:10:48] | Juski: | yep |
| [21:10:51] | Juski: | 120mm |
| [21:10:52] | dev: | like 120mm, they spin nice and slow but give you good airflow |
| [21:10:55] | C4T3l: | damn |
| [21:11:04] | Juski: | front & back.. get loads of pressure |
| [21:11:08] | dev: | exactly |
| [21:11:47] | C4T3l: | i got those little micro-atx bastards that are quiet but not that great at cooling |
| [21:12:00] | C4T3l: | i think they're 17mm |
| [21:12:27] | Juski: | lol |
| [21:12:32] | Juski: | bet it sounds like a 2-stroke |
| [21:12:37] | gardengnome: | morning |
| [21:12:40] | C4T3l: | pretty much |
| [21:12:56] | Juski: | morning gardengnome. I sent my PM to the wrong guy :-? |
| [21:13:29] | gardengnome: | Juski: hahaha |
| [21:14:17] | RaYmAn-Bx: | the via fans are absolutely crap..They become loud very quickly..really annoying. |
| [21:14:45] | Juski: | that's better... less than 40'C temp on my hdds now |
| [21:15:15] | Juski: | got a huge zalman fan somewhere I got use too.. just .. need to find it |
| [21:15:22] | gardengnome: | my quick 20 minute afternoon nap turned into some kind of 7h long monster. *sigh* |
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| [21:16:23] | Juski: | gardengnome: :-( |
| [21:16:45] | ** gardengnome ponders getting coffee ;) ** | |
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| [21:17:48] | Juski: | you'll be up all night anyway... |
| [21:17:54] | Juski: | how did the test go? |
| [21:18:10] | anxt: | wow that is awesome |
| [21:18:22] | anxt: | i got banned from a channel in 12 sentences |
| [21:18:40] | gardengnome: | Juski: well, i understood the questions so i'm above average... ;) |
| [21:18:47] | anxt: | linux channel too |
| [21:18:55] | Juski: | fastest ban I ever saw was.. "they say a picture paints a thousand words :-)" |
| [21:19:03] | Juski: | <kicked... (excess flood)> |
| [21:19:26] | anxt: | wasn't even trolling just being me |
| [21:19:35] | ** anxt giggles ** | |
| [21:19:45] | Juski: | do trolls ever _troll_? or are they just being themselves? :-P |
| [21:19:54] | anxt: | oh no |
| [21:19:58] | anxt: | i have deliberately trolled |
| [21:20:03] | anxt: | with a group of friends |
| [21:20:06] | Zider: | I'm a troll.. but I don't troll.. ;P |
| [21:20:11] | anxt: | we went all over dalnet one night |
| [21:20:32] | anxt: | one guy had a black homie persona that was hilarious |
| [21:20:55] | anxt: | i do clueless and overapologetic well |
| [21:20:58] | Juski: | gardengnome: nice one. I'm not having much luck with gentoo :-/ I can run X but getting the drivers on has unleashed unmasking hell |
| [21:21:22] | anxt: | Juski, i run ~x86 |
| [21:21:27] | Chicago: | Juski: are you using an older nvidia card..? |
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| [21:22:11] | gardengnome: | Juski: what drivers? you're gonna need intel binary stuff. |
| [21:22:12] | anxt: | hehe they banned not me but my whole isp |
| [21:22:21] | Juski: | erm.. not quite. we're talking me needing xorg => 6.9 |
| [21:22:25] | anxt: | like all the cable users in western canada |
| [21:22:28] | anxt: | LOL |
| [21:22:32] | gardengnome: | Juski: oh, we do? |
| [21:22:38] | anxt: | *.shawcable.net |
| [21:22:48] | gardengnome: | Juski: i think i've heard people reporting success with 6.7 or something |
| [21:22:53] | anxt: | i wanna get *.com banned one day |
| [21:23:02] | RaYmAn-Bx: | Juski: there is a guide somewhere for installing X.Org 7..which is was I run on my gentoo mythbox |
| [21:23:03] | anxt: | *!*@*.com |
| [21:23:03] | Juski: | gardengnome: for xf86-video-i810, yes |
| [21:23:15] | RaYmAn-Bx: | like, exact things you need to unmask as well |
| [21:23:20] | ** gardengnome sets mode +b *!*@* ** | |
| [21:23:47] | ** anxt sets ignore on *!*@* ** | |
| [21:23:47] | gardengnome: | Juski: so, why not use that? and "xf86-video-i810" sounds like it's just the driver anyways |
| [21:23:52] | Juski: | I was going thru the list- adding stuff to package.keywords & then trying to emerge again. the file was starting to look awfully big |
| [21:23:59] | anxt: | geez kinda of dead in here all of the sudden |
| [21:24:27] | gardengnome: | my package.keywords has 10 or 15 entries, too |
| [21:24:27] | Juski: | gardengnome: not that simple. needs loads of masked stuff |
| [21:25:04] | Juski: | it's more than 10 or 15 |
| [21:25:14] | gardengnome: | Juski: humm. well – if you do it properly now, it'll be unlikely to break in the future :) |
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| [21:28:10] | Juski: | up to 22 lines now... |
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| [21:31:36] | Juski: | I wonder... can I just put like x11-base/* ~x86 ? |
| [21:33:25] | Juski: | RaYmAn-Bx: was it this guide? http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Modular_Xorg |
| [21:34:44] | kormoc: | sadly you can't Juski |
| [21:35:05] | kormoc: | you can use http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/m . . . packages.txt |
| [21:35:36] | Zider: | I believe it's around 100 masked packages :P |
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| [21:36:04] | kormoc: | that is why they give you that nice list :) |
| [21:36:12] | Zider: | yep :D |
| [21:36:33] | Juski: | heh |
| [21:36:38] | Juski: | I was getting there then |
| [21:38:21] | kormoc: | you don't even need to add the ~x86 |
| [21:38:38] | kormoc: | it will know what you mean if you just cat modular-x-packages.txt >> /etc/portage/package.keyword |
| [21:38:45] | Juski: | s |
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| [21:38:54] | Juski: | done already |
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| [21:40:39] | Juski: | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy ">=dev-lang/python-" ... dammit.. upgrading portage & syncing |
| [21:41:17] | ** gardengnome boots the gentoo box ** | |
| [21:41:21] | gardengnome: | i need to work on mine, too |
| [21:41:43] | Zider: | I just upgraded 2 of 3 systems yesterday |
| [21:43:20] | Juski: | noticed some things about packaging stuff in gentoo – supposed to be quite easy apparently |
| [21:43:48] | ben: | ha ha ha ha ha ha.. oh dear, you weren't joking |
| [21:44:09] | Juski: | shuddup, mythnoob :-P |
| [21:44:14] | Zider: | it is pretty easy, if you know what you're doing ;) |
| [21:44:22] | Juski: | I'm learning |
| [21:44:33] | Zider: | like everything else I suppose |
| [21:44:58] | gardengnome: | some people are not :/ |
| [21:45:00] | ben: | what could be easier than a shell script that automatically solves dependencies, gets, patches, configures and compiles software and then registers it in whatever wierd database ebuilds use? |
| [21:45:02] | Juski: | gonna be interesting finding out how to make X take a mouse or leave it rather than refuse to load when it doesn't find one |
| [21:45:10] | kormoc: | ben, it's a peice of cake |
| [21:45:14] | ben: | kernel development? |
| [21:45:26] | ben: | kormoc, I know :) |
| [21:46:12] | Zider: | ben: the "problems" occurs when fiddling with use flags and masks.. ;) |
| [21:46:16] | ** kormoc scratches his head. ** | |
| [21:46:18] | kormoc: | okay... |
| [21:46:23] | Juski: | anyway I wanna learn all this stuff. I don't really want to end up turning this new toy into a dumb file server |
| [21:46:24] | Zider: | or rather, doing that without knowing how it works |
| [21:46:40] | kormoc: | but yeah, most of my ebuilds end up around 35 lines or so |
| [21:46:49] | ben: | zider, USE I can deal with |
| [21:46:51] | Zider: | Juski: learning is fun :) |
| [21:47:09] | ben: | masking I never got around.. meh.. SMART for "teh" win. |
| [21:47:40] | Zider: | add a package to /etc/portage/package.keyword and it's unmasked.. done.. ;D |
| [21:47:44] | Juski: | mate of mine said he's got a book on programming Qt in Linux... "ooo thought I... I'll borrow that... " ebook... fat lot of use |
| [21:48:04] | kormoc: | Zider, that's not quite true, it's just 'unmasked' if it had a keyword mask |
| [21:48:11] | ben: | juski, GTK+ and Glade also for "teh" win. |
| [21:48:29] | kormoc: | ben, gonna port myth? |
| [21:48:38] | Zider: | kormoc: well, usually it's simply like that.. :) |
| [21:48:47] | kormoc: | heh |
| [21:49:12] | kormoc: | I remember the days before keywords, so much simplier |
| [21:49:23] | gardengnome: | Juski: AllowMouseOpenFail "true" – dunno where you have to put that, though :) |
| [21:49:36] | ben: | kormoc, hell no. |
| [21:49:39] | Zider: | kormoc: yay for not being able to run latest versions.. uhm.. :P |
| [21:49:41] | Juski: | ben: for what? I might be gonna be a lot of things.. but a ***doze programmer is none of them |
| [21:50:03] | ben: | kormoc, I hate plastik though. |
| [21:50:10] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [21:50:28] | ben: | my favourite thing with GTK+ was clearlooks, I'm a recent kde convert and am struggling not to point and laugh at the visuals |
| [21:50:54] | Juski: | oh shit |
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| [21:51:01] | kormoc: | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=37009 <-- clearlooks theme for QT |
| [21:51:46] | ** ben will shut the hell up now. ** | |
| [21:52:14] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [21:52:17] | ** ben mutters ** | |
| [21:52:23] | kormoc: | just saying, it's right there for ya :) |
| [21:52:53] | ben: | now how the hell do I install this? |
| [21:53:21] | gardengnome: | Juski: the IEGD reelease notes say that they contain precompiled drivers for x.org 6.7.0. |
| [21:53:59] | ben: | gnome, is anyone using that version any more? |
| [21:54:19] | Zider: | I don't use gnome at all.. :P |
| [21:54:24] | Zider: | regardless of version |
| [21:54:36] | Sedorox: | gnome 2.14 is nice... |
| [21:54:41] | Juski: | gardengnome: bugger |
| [21:54:47] | Juski: | anyway I have a more pressing issue |
| [21:55:06] | Juski: | the backend's PSU has just got unfeasibly hot & caused the box to reboot |
| [21:55:22] | Sedorox: | Juski: http://www.newegg.com |
| [21:55:29] | Juski: | by that, I mean it was too hot to hold with bare hands |
| [21:55:30] | Sedorox: | :p |
| [21:55:47] | MonMotha: | Juski: dead fan? |
| [21:55:55] | Juski: | could be |
| [21:56:01] | ben: | seriously, how do I install this qt theme? |
| [21:56:03] | MonMotha: | you really, really shouldn't run the PSU like that |
| [21:56:09] | Sedorox: | MonMotha: doubt a bad fan would make it get that hot |
| [21:56:09] | Zider: | I'm a fan. :P |
| [21:56:15] | MonMotha: | Sedorox: you'd be surprised |
| [21:56:23] | ben: | zider, you're not yet dead, though |
| [21:56:25] | Sedorox: | I've had them fail in PSU's before... |
| [21:56:28] | Sedorox: | never got that bad |
| [21:56:42] | MonMotha: | the heatsinks used in those things are designed for direct airflow, and switchers can put out a lot of heat, especially with the cheap-ass ones being made these days |
| [21:56:43] | Zider: | ben: not yet.. but it's just a matter of time.. :P |
| [21:57:01] | ben: | zider, atheism is one of the most depressing states of mind |
| [21:57:03] | MonMotha: | I've had them get so hot that it was uncomfortable to handle given nothing but a dead fan and running it near spec'd capacity |
| [21:57:09] | ben: | **happy happy** |
| [21:57:12] | MonMotha: | was a cheap one, of course |
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| [21:57:27] | Zider: | ben: atheism? isn't that a religion? or rather, lack of one? |
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| [21:58:22] | ben: | zider, yes, but religions are states of mind... "god wants me to do this, or not do this" or "I want to do this or not do this" |
| [21:59:05] | Zider: | ben: well, I dunno if I agree with that, but.. :P |
| [21:59:11] | ben: | atheism is one of the most depressing, because its basic principle is that due to evolution the only reason an organism exists for is to create more organisms; and there is therefore no point to life except sex. |
| [21:59:26] | ben: | actually the last bit's not so depressing, but hey :) |
| [21:59:28] | gardengnome: | what's so sad about that if you have a girlfriend? |
| [21:59:35] | Zider: | there is no basic principle to atheism ;) |
| [21:59:43] | Zider: | and I'm not really an atheist either |
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| [22:00:12] | Zider: | it would suck bigtime if all life was meant for was sex |
| [22:00:14] | ben: | being unable to blindly accept things is very depressing |
| [22:00:18] | gardengnome: | and this is wrong, IHO. i'm an atheist and i don't care about evolution wrt to me reproducing myself. |
| [22:00:25] | gardengnome: | ben: no, it's just very smart. |
| [22:00:49] | gardengnome: | and you don't get bullshitted that often. :) |
| [22:00:59] | Zider: | I can blindly accept things, doesn't mean I'm religious.. |
| [22:01:23] | Zider: | I don't blindly accept that there's a god tho ;) |
| [22:02:33] | gardengnome: | there is no god, why would i want to accept that? well, personally, i don't know if there's a god (so i'm agnostic), but either way i probably wouldn't care much. |
| [22:02:36] | ben: | gardengnome, but thinking about the fact that there is no specific aim in life besides reproduction is very depressing for me... catholics are typically happy because they believe unconditionally that so long as they follow the indoctrination of a three-thousand-year old book they're doing everything right.. it gives them something to life to and the concept of afterlife gives them something to look forward to |
| [22:03:15] | Zider: | ofcourse there's a specific aim in life besides reproduction; having FUN |
| [22:03:35] | gardengnome: | ben: so they're a bunch of happy idiots. congratulations. now exactly what i was aiming for. |
| [22:03:39] | gardengnome: | Zider: yeah. and hacking. |
| [22:03:53] | Zider: | gardengnome: in the right way, yes. :P |
| [22:04:25] | gardengnome: | ben: there are other aims in life. i'd recommend goethe's faust to you. all faust wanted was knowledge – he wasn't very happy about it, though, that's why he made that deal with mephisto. |
| [22:04:37] | Juski: | new psu – all seems to be well |
| [22:04:49] | Zider: | Juski: o/ |
| [22:04:55] | ben: | gardengnome, so idiot = happy; ergo clever (I.Q. 137) = depressed. also, having a shitty life, repressive school, and crap skills at the only few things I'm interested in help, I suppose |
| [22:05:10] | Juski: | looks like I'm going shopping tomorrow |
| [22:06:05] | Zider: | so because one is a happy idiot, idiot must be = happy..? sounds.. logical.. uh.. |
| [22:06:43] | gardengnome: | ben: i don't believe i have a shitty life, i got over that teenage gothic crap. there's many more things in life besides believing in something. for example, getting over yourself is a very interesting task. being happy and drooling in service every sunday morning means stagnation tome. |
| [22:06:48] | gardengnome: | to me* |
| [22:07:17] | ben: | gardengnome, I was talking about myself there, no offence implied |
| [22:09:31] | gardengnome: | ben: well. either go to church then or find another way to get spiritually fulfilled. i do understand the need for guidance and enlightenment, but i believe there are smarter ways than blindly swallowing things like "omnipotent gods". and wrt the catholic church: you really do not want to believe everything they say. |
| [22:10:31] | Zider: | if I would choose any religion it would be religious satanism :P |
| [22:10:34] | gardengnome: | anyways, not trying to convert you there ;) |
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| [22:11:28] | gardengnome: | Zider: lavey's satanism wasn't really about religion (i.e. worshipping of goats ;), but about overcoming yourself and egoism, IIRC |
| [22:11:31] | ben: | zider, satanism was invented by the catholics as a method of destroying science: its etymology is an islamic word meaning something or other; and Lucifer means "bringer of light" |
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| [22:12:04] | ben: | gnome, I don't believe anything anyone says unless I have experience myself on the matter. I'm a naturally untrusting person and it's enormously depressing |
| [22:12:16] | Zider: | ben: I understand approximately every other word you're typing. :P |
| [22:12:23] | ben: | zider, ah. |
| [22:12:44] | gardengnome: | Zider: gotta get yourself a dictionary then, huh? ;) |
| [22:12:47] | ben: | gnome, i.e. I will usually ask several people about something like MPEG compression and then do some independent research and come up with my own answer |
| [22:13:12] | gardengnome: | ben: why do you ask them then? |
| [22:13:28] | Zider: | gardengnome: uh, no. more like talk to people that writes comprehensible english ;) |
| [22:13:45] | gardengnome: | Zider: his english is perfectly OK. |
| [22:14:01] | ben: | zider, my english is better than my english teacher's |
| [22:14:05] | Zider: | gardengnome: yes, if you know english well ;) |
| [22:14:35] | Zider: | english is not my native language, and I learned most of it by chatting in english.. :P |
| [22:14:46] | ben: | she thinks the pronoun "one" is first person posh, and than "incorroborable" as in non-corroborate-able is spelt "incorrobible" |
| [22:14:52] | Juski: | do they still speak english in england? I thought dat evry1 talkd in txt spk nw or lik Ali G |
| [22:14:57] | ben: | *that |
| [22:15:03] | opello: | ben: wow |
| [22:15:06] | ben: | juski, nope, that's msnspek |
| [22:15:15] | gardengnome: | Zider: same for me.. |
| [22:15:16] | opello: | my eyes are burning |
| [22:15:18] | Juski: | forumspk.. |
| [22:15:19] | Zider: | Juski: dat be da case ya now |
| [22:15:22] | Zider: | ;) |
| [22:15:40] | Juski: | I is not down wit da kidz :-D (and proud of the fact) |
| [22:15:45] | ben: | zider/juski: although in wales people are being tought to pluralise by putting an apostrophe and an S |
| [22:15:58] | Zider: | melike whales |
| [22:16:18] | Juski: | oh no. not much boils my wee as much as over-apostrophisation |
| [22:16:19] | opello: | so, its's for their |
| [22:16:20] | ben: | i.e. the cat's are hungry thing's. I have some slice's of bread here, shall I feed them to the cat's? |
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| [22:16:30] | the-FoX: | hello |
| [22:16:40] | the-FoX: | maybe someone can helpme?i get error messages telling me that it can'tload the firmware, but the firmware exists...maybe i missed something ican't see at the moment? |
| [22:16:41] | ben: | WE'RE BEING TOUGHT IT IN SCHOOL!!!!!! /calms down |
| [22:16:55] | ** Juski sacks the teacher's (sic) ** | |
| [22:17:01] | ben: | juski, heh |
| [22:17:28] | Juski: | the-FoX: long time no see :-) the ivtv docs cover where to put the firmware |
| [22:17:44] | ben: | so in conclusion, english is a crap language anyway, being buggered up by crapheads who can't be arsed to type, and has too many ambiguous or confusible grammar rules |
| [22:17:52] | the-FoX: | hi juski |
| [22:18:01] | the-FoX: | the dir must be right |
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| [22:18:10] | Juski: | ambiguous/confusible.. for thick people, yes :-) |
| [22:18:38] | Juski: | but then, I heard that as a child I was more precocious than I am now (!) |
| [22:18:42] | gardengnome: | english has grammar rules? ... |
| [22:19:04] | ben: | juski, it even affects me when I'm tired... like the past tense of "to be" which inexplicably is dependent on person and pluralisation, unlike _every other verb_ |
| [22:19:26] | ben: | go esperanto. |
| [22:19:29] | Juski: | there/their/they're ... (etc). I've seen people who have degrees in English mix them up |
| [22:19:36] | ben: | yep. |
| [22:19:37] | Zider: | what's the name of that "made-up" language that was supposed to be as easily learned by everyone? |
| [22:19:43] | gardengnome: | you go esperanto because english is too complicated for you? poor boy |
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| [22:19:46] | Zider: | esperanto, right? |
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| [22:19:50] | gardengnome: | Zider: esperanto, yepo |
| [22:19:53] | gardengnome: | yep* |
| [22:19:55] | ** Juski unplugs brain ** | |
| [22:20:05] | Zider: | did anything ever come of that..? |
| [22:20:12] | ben: | the "leading educational material supplier" has recently dumbed down Romeo and Juliet to the point of "tybalt: wanna make something of it? benvolio: leave it out, big nose." for act one scene 1 |
| [22:20:14] | gardengnome: | Zider: not really. |
| [22:20:20] | ben: | zider, we're still trying |
| [22:20:27] | Zider: | ben: "we"? |
| [22:20:29] | gardengnome: | ben: you're bound to fail :) |
| [22:20:36] | ben: | zider, esperantists |
| [22:20:41] | ben: | including myself |
| [22:20:42] | Zider: | ben: ah :D |
| [22:21:03] | ben: | garden, learning spanish doesn't hurt either :) |
| [22:21:12] | Zider: | ben: I've been thinking about learning it.. but it's a close call with japanese.. :P |
| [22:21:19] | gardengnome: | Juski: are you already emerging xorg? |
| [22:21:32] | Juski: | gardengnome: nah I binned it |
| [22:21:57] | ben: | zider, according to every study ever taken, learning esperanto first will then accelerate your learning of japanese to the point of the combination being quicker than just japanese |
| [22:22:17] | ben: | and of course, you learn esperanto. |
| [22:22:25] | gardengnome: | Juski: good. people in the zenega forum say that the IEGD stuff will work, even without kernel patches (on recent kernels). i'm installing that now – on Xorg 6.7. |
| [22:22:27] | Zider: | ben: ooh? interesting.. :D |
| [22:23:14] | ben: | it's a doddle to pick up – it has no persons, no irregular verbs, and no word variation — just stick them together, like in german. and the verbs are mainly latin-derived, and you can probably guess well at the following: |
| [22:23:36] | gardengnome: | mainly latin-derived? go interlingua for that one |
| [22:23:38] | Juski: | gardengnome: looking for it on th intel site now |
| [22:24:00] | gardengnome: | Juski: if you can't find a download URL, let me know, i might have it around |
| [22:24:05] | ben: | "la idioto mangas la malsanan pomon" |
| [22:24:19] | ben: | mangas with a hat on the g |
| [22:24:33] | Zider: | ? |
| [22:24:38] | Zider: | hm |
| [22:24:49] | ben: | think french. |
| [22:24:55] | Zider: | I could type it, but it shows as a ? in the chat ;) |
| [22:25:29] | ben: | -o is a noun, -a is an adjective. -as is present tense. -n is the accusative |
| [22:25:41] | Zider: | you lost me. :P |
| [22:25:54] | Zider: | I don't know any language but swedish and bad english ;) |
| [22:25:56] | gardengnome: | and wth is -an? |
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| [22:26:15] | ben: | gnome, -a and -n combined: accusative adjective. |
| [22:26:23] | ben: | meh, it means "the idiot eats/is eating the unhealthy apple" |
| [22:27:34] | ben: | pomo = apple = pomme; mangi = eat = manger; sana = healthy / sane |
| [22:28:29] | ben: | zider, what's swedish like? I hear finnish is like balancing a chemical equation |
| [22:29:08] | Zider: | hm, asking a swede what swedish is like is kinda biased, don't you think? ;) |
| [22:29:32] | Juski: | okees... I got the tgz, unpacked it.. now what? |
| [22:29:39] | ben: | zider, asking an englishman what english is like produces very varied results. |
| [22:29:45] | ben: | try asking me, for instance. |
| [22:30:27] | gardengnome: | Juski: less Documents/RELNOTES |
| [22:30:28] | SunTzuTech: | Any help for a new myth tv user with a PVR-150 (model 1045) that outputs static to video but sound is ok? |
| [22:30:34] | gardengnome: | Juski: still stuck there ;) |
| [22:31:03] | Zider: | well, I don't really know what to say about swedish.. it's just.. a language.. I've had my whole life to learn it so it's just natural for me.. |
| [22:31:20] | ben: | suntzutech, this is the structural linguistics channel, mythtv is in #linguistics |
| [22:31:35] | ben: | zider, ok |
| [22:31:42] | ben: | bet it's easier than english to learn. |
| [22:31:43] | SunTzuTech: | lol. yesterday it was ip |
| [22:31:53] | Juski: | gardengnome: reading.. I think I need another ssh session open |
| [22:31:58] | ben: | sun, I can't help, I'm afraid |
| [22:32:02] | gardengnome: | Juski: man screen, it's great :) |
| [22:32:29] | Zider: | ben: go to slayradio.org and download the "mastering swedish" there.. it's an english guy trying to pronounce swedish tounge twisters.. :D |
| [22:32:48] | ben: | :) |
| [22:32:49] | ben: | gtg |
| [22:32:50] | ben: | bye |
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| [22:36:56] | Juski: | gardengnome: where are the manpages? |
| [22:37:40] | anxt: | you must learn to use screen |
| [22:37:44] | anxt: | it is fabulous |
| [22:37:49] | Juski: | gardengnome: nm |
| [22:37:59] | SunTzuTech: | no one hear who can give some ideas on how get my tuner configured correctly? |
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| [22:39:23] | Juski: | hmmm... I found the man pages.. just dunno where to put em yet |
| [22:40:27] | gardengnome: | Juski: well, check where the other X manpages are |
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| [22:41:03] | Juski: | /usr/X11R6/local ? |
| [22:41:25] | gardengnome: | lemme check |
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| [22:41:49] | gardengnome: | /usr/X11R6/share/man/ – maybe |
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| [22:41:53] | achew22: | damn... "No manual entry for women" |
| [22:42:29] | Juski: | gardengnome: I thought so... this new install has no manuals |
| [22:42:30] | kormoc: | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/sysadmin/5b7e/ |
| [22:42:58] | gardengnome: | Juski: heh. looks like there are some symlinks.. |
| [22:43:10] | achew22: | kormoc: maybe I should get that shirt.... |
| [22:43:38] | achew22: | gardengnome: why is your X11 in "X11R6?" |
| [22:43:39] | Juski: | /usr/X11R6/local/share/man is empty |
| [22:43:55] | ** Juski goes to look in /usr/share ** | |
| [22:44:33] | gardengnome: | /usr/X11R6/X11R6/X11R6/X11R6/X11R6/ – looks recursive to me, ;) |
| [22:44:34] | Juski: | /usr/share/doc/xorg-x11–6.8.2-r7/ |
| [22:45:02] | Juski: | erm... won't I need 6.7? |
| [22:45:34] | gardengnome: | Juski: well, it's possible it'll work with 6.7 :/ |
| [22:45:38] | gardengnome: | err, 6.8 |
| [22:45:40] | gardengnome: | i dunno yet. |
| [22:45:53] | gardengnome: | it'd better work because that's binary drivers. |
| [22:46:59] | ** Juski grabs zenslack anyway ** | |
| [22:47:52] | Juski: | I can see how it all works... |
| [22:48:06] | Juski: | or rather – I'll be able to see how it all works |
| [22:48:39] | gardengnome: | heh. i won't give up now ;) |
| [22:49:10] | Juski: | gentoo is gonna be way too big |
| [22:49:32] | kormoc: | Juski, how large are you going for? |
| [22:49:35] | gardengnome: | you can strip lots of stuff, like man pages |
| [22:49:42] | Juski: | either that or will be a pain to tear down to a nice size |
| [22:49:54] | Juski: | kormoc: as small as possible |
| [22:50:26] | gardengnome: | since i aim for netbooting, i don't really care about the size – i think my p3 450 would only need to transfer like 30 megabytes for booting |
| [22:50:36] | kormoc: | Juski, Well, 1 gb? 512 mb? |
| [22:50:56] | Juski: | less if possible |
| [22:51:02] | alieas: | Thinking about buying this monitor for my Myth setup.... :) http://phoenix.craigslist.org/sys/168722437.html |
| [22:53:03] | kormoc: | Juski, and you want xorg, myth, mysql, and anything else? |
| [22:54:02] | achew22: | does anyone have the link to the dvb/hdtv setup webpage? |
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| [22:54:12] | Juski: | kormoc: minimyth manages it in about 64MB |
| [22:54:25] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [22:54:54] | gardengnome: | Juski: someone on the zenega-forum mentioned a GAR build of minimyth. maybe you can get that to run on the s100 :) |
| [22:54:59] | Juski: | I should be taking smaller steps. what I know about making distros could be written on erm... well it's not much |
| [22:55:19] | kormoc: | mini-myth also has a small advantage over attempting this via gentoo, but I'm just thinking of expernmenting on my own a bit and seeing what I can come up with |
| [22:55:31] | kormoc: | Juski, hence why I'm wondering all of what would be 'required' |
| [22:55:32] | Juski: | gardengnome: from what I've seen of GAR & from what people have said on the forums, they know much more than me & they have problems |
| [22:55:52] | gardengnome: | Juski: :/ |
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| [22:56:12] | gardengnome: | Juski: but it might be a fun thing to try :) |
| [22:56:56] | Juski: | kormoc: everything you need for myth, plus xine/mplayer... NFS & USBFS support.. ntp.. that'd be about it |
| [22:57:04] | mchou: | you guys intend to build up S100 as frontend or backend? |
| [22:57:11] | gardengnome: | mchou: frontend. |
| [22:57:16] | Juski: | mchou: frontend initially |
| [22:57:34] | Juski: | though it might be too puny to run mysql at any usefulness |
| [22:58:23] | gardengnome: | might need more RAM, indeed |
| [22:58:24] | mchou: | I dont think 700Mhz is too puny to run mysql |
| [22:58:34] | mchou: | I've done it b4 at 450Mhz |
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| [22:58:46] | mchou: | for myth at least |
| [22:58:54] | gardengnome: | mchou: yeah, but it also needs memory. |
| [22:58:59] | mchou: | not for "bigger" data sets |
| [22:59:08] | gardengnome: | and IMHO, 128mb is not enough for mythbackend + mythfrontend + mysql |
| [22:59:29] | mchou: | is the mem soldered on the board? |
| [22:59:33] | Juski: | yup |
| [22:59:41] | mchou: | too bad |
| [22:59:44] | Juski: | easy enough to upgrade provided the BIOS supports it |
| [22:59:53] | kormoc: | Juski, and it's a standalone, not ment to be upgraded once deployed? |
| [23:00:02] | Juski: | kormoc: pretty much |
| [23:00:47] | mchou: | anyway, didnt isaac mention that myth is going to sqlite |
| [23:00:55] | gardengnome: | mchou: that's prolly gonna take some time |
| [23:01:02] | Juski: | he did.. at _some_ point |
| [23:01:25] | Juski: | it'll open the door for more embedded stuff I think |
| [23:01:29] | gardengnome: | i saw that initial uPNP support got committed to SVN. hopefully we can get cheaper frontends now ;) |
| [23:01:56] | SunTzuTech: | anyone know the problem when you change channels and the screen locks up? |
| [23:02:05] | mchou: | SunTzuTech: lol |
| [23:02:10] | Juski: | yeh well until I see a consumer networked device that can play h.264 in HD I won't hold my breath ;) |
| [23:02:43] | mchou: | SunTzuTech: it takes you mean time of 2 days to solve each problem? :) |
| [23:02:50] | SunTzuTech: | mchou: at least I'm getting video. three days of googling and I finally get an obscure hit that gives me video. cept when I change channels it locks up |
| [23:03:44] | SunTzuTech: | the wiki's are somewhat disorganized, plus I'm really cutting my teeth on myth tv so I chalk some of it up to being a noob |
| [23:04:03] | mchou: | SunTzuTech: it doesnt help when ppl attempt to help you you give no further info. Like the time I asked you for ivtv dmesg output |
| [23:04:51] | SunTzuTech: | mchou: oh sorry. I had to run out and didn't get a chance to say anything. |
| [23:05:48] | Juski: | oh hell – looks like I was gonna be in for some fun anyway gardengnome. I got gcc4 |
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| [23:06:31] | SunTzuTech: | mchou: if you would be willing to look at my messages, I'd be very appreciative |
| [23:06:50] | gardengnome: | Juski: i've just emerged gcc 3.4.6. why do you have gcc 4? |
| [23:06:51] | mchou: | not at this time, sorry |
| [23:07:42] | Juski: | gardengnome: no idea. I'm too out of touch with gentoo now |
| [23:08:01] | SunTzuTech: | mchou: ok |
| [23:08:16] | kormoc: | Juski, did you unmask/unkeyword it? |
| [23:09:19] | Juski: | kormoc: nope.. forgot to |
| [23:10:16] | kormoc: | Juski, I'd assume you are going for intergrated video cards, nvidia, and ati? |
| [23:10:27] | Juski: | kormoc: just Intel |
| [23:10:30] | kormoc: | kk |
| [23:12:25] | gardengnome: | installing that driver is annoying. |
| [23:12:45] | kormoc: | the intel one? |
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| [23:13:00] | gardengnome: | yep. their binary crap, gotta install everything manually |
| [23:13:10] | kormoc: | there's a open source i810 one that works quite well |
| [23:13:22] | kormoc: | it's packaged with xorg |
| [23:13:26] | Juski: | does it let you use the fs454 module though? |
| [23:13:36] | kormoc: | that I don't know about |
| [23:13:40] | gardengnome: | kormoc: yes, but i need their binary stuff to get tv-out with this platform |
| [23:13:48] | Juski: | that's the _biiiig_ catch ;-) |
| [23:14:19] | Juski: | maybe the guy who made zenslack chose it because all the default locations work out well ;-) |
| [23:14:27] | gardengnome: | heh |
| [23:14:32] | kormoc: | well, the i810 does support tv out |
| [23:14:50] | gardengnome: | well, most of the default locations in the release notes work fine on gentoo, too – at least i hope so |
| [23:16:29] | gardengnome: | ok, driver is installed now |
| [23:16:33] | kormoc: | fs454 is what? |
| [23:16:44] | Juski: | tv encoder |
| [23:16:59] | kormoc: | ooh |
| [23:17:04] | kormoc: | the i810 should work fine with that then |
| [23:17:31] | gardengnome: | i wonder why everyone and their grandmother in the zenega forum says that you need the binary drivers ;) |
| [23:17:45] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [23:19:56] | gardengnome: | i hope DRM/DRI will work. |
| [23:20:02] | gardengnome: | that'd be awesome :) |
| [23:20:48] | Juski: | they do in the free driver |
| [23:21:10] | gardengnome: | nice |
| [23:21:53] | gardengnome: | time to compile a kernel. |
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| [23:23:15] | gardengnome: | (the nvidia won't build anymore. *sigh*) |
| [23:23:24] | gardengnome: | s/nvidia/nvidia driver/ |
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| [23:34:45] | Juski: | grrrr |
| [23:35:13] | Juski: | note to self: never be out of the room when the shutdown script kicks in if you want to stay online ;-) |
| [23:35:56] | gardengnome: | heh |
| [23:36:14] | gardengnome: | ok, i hope i can get some sleep now. see ya tomorrow, guys ;) |
| [23:36:27] | Juski: | nighty night |
| [23:36:40] | Juski: | just looking at zenslacks' xorg.conf ;-) |
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| [23:44:57] | metalac: | hey guys |
| [23:45:05] | metalac: | can somebody help me resolve some DVI issues |
| [23:45:26] | metalac: | what a hell is a difference between DVI-D and DVI-I. I'm guessing one is digital and one is analgo |
| [23:45:32] | metalac: | and which one do I need to use? |
| [23:45:45] | metalac: | i have fx5200 with VGA output only going to an LCD TV |
| [23:45:50] | Juski: | one is digital (D) and the other (I) can carry either analogue or digital |
| [23:46:09] | metalac: | i tried going VGA to DVI converter but it doesn't work |
| [23:46:23] | metalac: | do i need a DVI card? |
| [23:46:31] | metalac: | and what format are |
| [23:46:34] | Juski: | DVI-I (analogue) is pretty much VGA on a DVI connector |
| [23:46:42] | metalac: | so which is better? |
| [23:46:47] | Juski: | DVI-D |
| [23:46:51] | metalac: | and how do i find out what my tv is? |
| [23:46:58] | metalac: | it doesn't say in manual |
| [23:47:01] | Juski: | erm... in the manual for your TV |
| [23:47:17] | Juski: | it _might_ well be DVI-I |
| [23:47:37] | Juski: | but if it doesn't work, then maybe it's just DVI-D |
| [23:47:47] | metalac: | oh wait it is DVI-D |
| [23:48:00] | Juski: | time to buy a new graphics card |
| [23:48:05] | metalac: | it says DVI-D * 2 (with HDPC) support |
| [23:48:17] | metalac: | is there fx5200 with DVI-D out there? |
| [23:48:32] | mchou: | plenty |
| [23:48:42] | metalac: | and do i get any advantage by going to a higher card? in terms of HDTV performance? |
| [23:48:58] | mchou: | not really |
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| [23:49:19] | Ryushin: | Well, actually you'll have worse performance than the fx5200. |
| [23:49:39] | mchou: | Ryushin: huh?? |
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| [23:49:57] | Juski: | I've heard the fx5200 can't cut it if you're gonna rely on xvmc for HDTV at 1080i – but let me stress I have no experience of that |
| [23:49:58] | metalac: | yeah really HUH? |
| [23:50:07] | Ryushin: | The new nvidia cards don't do xvmc as well as the fx5200. |
| [23:50:19] | metalac: | well the tv is 1080p |
| [23:50:30] | Juski: | nice tv, then :-) |
| [23:50:30] | metalac: | but there is no 1080p format in my area as far as i know |
| [23:50:38] | mchou: | Ryushin: that depends on what you mean by "new" |
| [23:50:42] | Ryushin: | And there never will be. |
| [23:50:42] | quantum: | is their a log for kde. it used to work, but now it gives some error |
| [23:51:06] | Ryushin: | Well, newer than the fx5200 chipset. From what I understand. |
| [23:51:10] | kormoc: | my 6200 outperforms my 5200 |
| [23:51:17] | kormoc: | just doesn't have the color OSD |
| [23:51:29] | mchou: | Ryushin: like fx5700? |
| [23:51:50] | metalac: | ok so I'm looking at my local shop and can't find any thing that says DVI-D or DVD-I they all just say DVI, so does that mean DVI-D should work? |
| [23:52:05] | mchou: | metalac: nope |
| [23:52:11] | metalac: | damn |
| [23:52:12] | Ryushin: | kormoc: In what manner does it out perform. From what I remember reading, the FX5200 is the best xvmc nvidia card available. |
| [23:52:30] | mchou: | Ryushin: lol. where did you read that? |
| [23:52:38] | kormoc: | metalac, likely so, as dvi implys dvi-d I beleive |
| [23:52:59] | metalac: | so DVI-I is backwards compatile with D? right? |
| [23:53:05] | Ryushin: | mchou: Though myth googling and searching through the dev list. |
| [23:53:06] | kormoc: | Ryushin, I get about 5% less dropped frames when playing back 3 1080i videos at the same time. |
| [23:53:22] | metalac: | so i assume as long as it's DVI then it SHOULD do DVI-D |
| [23:53:22] | kormoc: | metalac, dvi-i is a dvi-d and dvi-a together in one plug |
| [23:53:32] | kormoc: | metalac, http://www.datapro.net/techinfo/dvi_info.html |
| [23:54:00] | metalac: | kormoc: oh thnx for that link |
| [23:54:24] | Ryushin: | kormoc: Your playing back 3 1080i videos from the same box though the same video card? I'm totally confused. |
| [23:54:45] | kormoc: | Ryushin, aye, that was my stress test to test xvmc |
| [23:54:51] | mchou: | lol |
| [23:55:35] | kormoc: | Ryushin, I figure the total number of dropped frames was a good indication on how well the card performed, and my 6200 dropped about 5% less frames then the 5200 did |
| [23:55:39] | Ryushin: | kormoc: All in individual windows running 3 seperate mythfrontend processes? |
| [23:55:55] | kormoc: | Ryushin, 3 seperate mplayer windows |
| [23:56:02] | metalac: | ok then I'm gona go buy this card and try it out :) |
| [23:56:09] | metalac: | TV guy is coming in tomorrow to put in HDTV |
| [23:56:21] | metalac: | hopefully it will be niceeeee :D |
| [23:57:03] | metalac: | thnx for the help |
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| [23:57:05] | Ryushin: | Hmmm.... Well, it is xvmc, but it isn't myth. I don't know if that will cause any difference or not. |
| [23:57:35] | kormoc: | Ryushin, well, it very well might be that the 5200 is best for myth, but just saying that my 6200 is slightly better then my 5200 is in pure xvmc playback |
| [23:58:25] | mchou: | Ryushin: your mrmory is faulty anyways. fx5200 might be "best" xvmc card for !/$ |
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| [23:58:58] | mchou: | Ryushin: it wasn't uncategorically "best" as you're suggesting |
| [23:59:18] | Ryushin: | Well, regardless, I can't stand having a close source binary only card in my box. I'd pay upwards of $200 to have a true open source video card with dvi-out that can play HD. |
| [23:59:34] | Ryushin: | mchou: I stand corrected. |
| [23:59:38] | mchou: | Ryushin: you an who else? |
| [23:59:46] | mchou: | s/an/and |
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