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Tuesday, June 6th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:02] psofa: although the video
[00:00:08] psofa: is still pausy
[00:00:19] psofa: id say that its even more pausy
[00:00:40] kormoc: what version of myth are you running?
[00:00:48] psofa: trunk
[00:00:56] psofa: 1009x
[00:01:02] kormoc: you might want to give stable (19-fixes) a try
[00:01:12] psofa: kormoc, im coming from 0.19 :)
[00:01:28] kormoc: 0.19 or 0.19-fixes?
[00:01:35] psofa: the problem is more apparent with the pvr150
[00:01:44] psofa: probably due to higher video bitrate
[00:01:47] psofa: kormoc, 0.19
[00:02:00] psofa: im not going fixes i need fast dvb tuning
[00:02:00] kormoc: might want to try 0.19-fixes then
[00:02:04] kormoc: ooh
[00:02:12] psofa: kormoc, also
[00:02:20] kormoc: well, you might be stuck with pausy video until it gets fixed in head.
[00:02:21] psofa: when i disable extra audio buffers
[00:02:28] Juski: turn off EIT collection – that might help
[00:02:28] achew22: kormoc: do you have any ideas on my lirc problem?
[00:02:29] psofa: i get frequent buffer underuns
[00:02:40] psofa: which match the pausy video
[00:02:43] kormoc: well, that is normal with pvr 150's
[00:02:50] kormoc: well, any pvrs really
[00:02:58] kormoc: my m179 needs that setting to work properly
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[00:12:11] isaac_: anyone know why irw works in mode 2 only?
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[00:18:32] psofa: can i disable the osd fadeout effect?
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[00:23:35] achew22: does anyone have a clue as to why my hauppage tuner cards wont tune in UHF channels?
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[00:25:21] Dagmar: achew22: Because they were never designed to. Feel free to examine the specs. They do channels 2–13 bcast and 1–125 cable (nearly the same thing), both of which are VHF
[00:25:35] jams: psofa- yes
[00:26:01] Dagmar: For example: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr500mce.html
[00:26:19] kormoc: jams, ooh? how might one do that?
[00:26:59] psofa: jams, how?
[00:27:00] achew22: Dagmar: okay — why wont my tuners over 13? I assumed that was because of the break between uhf and vhf
[00:27:14] achew22: Dagmar are they in some kind of crazy "air" mode?
[00:27:15] psofa: its so laggy for my cpu that it isnt a nice effect to begin with
[00:27:16] Dagmar: Because you have them set to _broadcast_ not _cable_ spectrum.
[00:27:23] Dagmar: Use your head.
[00:27:39] jams: psofa- your talking about the OSD and not the menu, right?
[00:27:40] achew22: Dagmar: is it in ivtvctl?
[00:27:44] Dagmar: Over-the-air broadcast stops at 13 for VHF.
[00:27:58] Dagmar: No, it's something you set in mythtv-setup
[00:28:03] achew22: really...
[00:28:06] Dagmar: Yes, really.
[00:28:15] psofa: kormoc, would changing the hd ringbuffer size be worth trying
[00:28:20] psofa: jams, yes
[00:28:26] kormoc: psofa, if you are doing HDTV sure
[00:28:50] psofa: kormoc, lol i though hd had sth to do with hard drives :P
[00:29:47] achew22: Dagmar: is it per card? or global?
[00:29:58] Dagmar: It's set per input
[00:30:48] Dagmar: Dig into the menus. You'll find it.
[00:30:48] isaac_: anyone know why irw works in mode 2 only?
[00:31:21] isaac_: irw runs fine only I get no output unless I used mode3
[00:31:36] isaac_: mode 2 I mean sorry.
[00:31:37] Dagmar: Those two statements conflict.
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[00:32:02] isaac_: My 2?
[00:32:14] kormoc: yes
[00:32:18] kormoc: mode2 is a different program
[00:32:23] isaac_: oh
[00:32:25] achew22: Dagmer: what menus?
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[00:32:32] isaac_: I didn't know.
[00:32:40] Dagmar: achew22: The ones in mythtv-setup that I already mentioned.
[00:32:43] psofa: jams, are you gonna tell us? ;)
[00:32:56] isaac_: why does mode2 work and irw does not?
[00:33:00] achew22: Dagmar: when I go to input connections I go onto the next page and it doesn't have anything relevant to this
[00:33:10] isaac_: irw runs , but no output.
[00:33:15] Dagmar: achew22: Yours must be defective then. Reinstall.
[00:33:17] psofa: isaac_, mode2 shows if your remote gets signals
[00:33:33] Dagmar: achew22: Maybe after you reinstall you'll have more than one option
[00:33:34] psofa: isaac_, irw shows if lirc transforms this signals into events
[00:33:54] isaac_: Ok so My remote is getting signals.
[00:33:59] isaac_: irw is not transforming them.
[00:34:06] psofa: isaac_, you need a lircrc file
[00:34:06] Dagmar: isaac_: ...so if irw isn't saying anything, it's because lirc is hearing/seeing those signals as random jibber-jabber
[00:35:40] achew22: Dagmar: are you sure your talking about PVR cards?
[00:35:54] jams: psofa- sorry got distracted
[00:36:01] Dagmar: achew22: Oh. My mistake. I thought you were talking about hot-air balloons.
[00:36:02] jams: you will need to edit osd.xml
[00:36:20] jams: psofa- it's a simple format and shouldn't be to hard to figure out which line you want
[00:36:34] achew22: Dagmar: there isn't a need for that. I just don't see that — a little more direction would help
[00:36:43] jams: psofa- which osd are you using?
[00:36:51] psofa: tivilous
[00:36:55] psofa: or sth
[00:36:58] psofa: wheres that file
[00:37:00] Dagmar: achew22: If you're expecting me to run mythtv-setup over here and find the menu option to set for you, you're going to be very disappointed.
[00:37:22] psofa: jams, ah found it
[00:37:30] Dagmar: You set the channel frequency set when you configured the tuners in mythtv-setup
[00:37:52] adante: does anybody know of a media player which can do timeshift stuff like mythtv? ie playback at 1.x speed while shifting pitch so it sounds normal?
[00:37:58] achew22: thankyou you still haven't provided me with any more information than you gave me before
[00:38:10] Dagmar: You're looking to change 'bcast' to 'cable-hrc' or whatever the other one is.
[00:38:36] Dagmar: Let me repeat: I'm not going to go digging through the menus to find the option for you.
[00:38:52] Dagmar: Mythtv-setup doesn't have that many pages to flip through.
[00:38:56] psofa: jams, fademovement="0,6"
[00:39:05] SunTzuTech: it's in input connections. I'm mucking with that right now...
[00:39:59] UBL: adante, whats wrong with mythtv?
[00:40:16] psofa: jams, ah srry found it
[00:40:24] psofa: <fadeaway>30</fadeaway>
[00:40:26] psofa: nice ty
[00:41:39] SunTzuTech: damn. I did better the first time out. At least the tv display was static, but I got the channel menu.
[00:41:54] jams: i thought at one point that was a frontend setting...guess that patch was never applied
[00:42:05] SunTzuTech: the smarter I think I'm getting about mythtv, the dumber i feel
[00:42:27] adante: UBL: well i want to use it for playing generic media files not just my tv recordings
[00:45:00] jams: psofa- did it work for you?
[00:45:19] psofa: jams, yes
[00:45:28] psofa: i just commented it out
[00:45:31] psofa: works fine
[00:45:38] jams: cool, donavan seems to have removed the theme from his website
[00:45:55] jams: ah well haven't used it in a while anyhow
[00:47:36] isaac_: Dagmar, so did I need a lircd.conf file or lircrc like psofa said?
[00:48:02] psofa: both :)
[00:48:22] isaac_: lircrc is just to control apps right?
[00:48:30] isaac_: with remote?
[00:48:56] isaac_: I think lircd.conf is what I dont have working
[00:49:14] isaac_: I thought irw displayed raw signals.
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[00:53:58] Dagmar: isaac_: Yes. You need to make/populate that file so that irw actually has an idea of what to look for in the signal
[00:54:13] Dagmar: The mode2 app is really only good for seeing that it's seeing something.
[00:54:24] Dagmar: Kind of like the difference between being stone deaf and hearing noises.
[00:54:39] Dagmar: The rc file lets the remote turn those noises into something like useful sounds (speech)
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[00:54:58] Dagmar: s/remote/lirc driver/
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[00:59:33] koshari: anyone familliar with the dvico remote ?
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[01:00:31] isaac_: Dagmar: Do you have ati remote wonder by any chance?
[01:00:53] koshari: no, its the dvico fusion lite usb one
[01:01:10] Dagmar: isaac_: I've got several. Most of which are crap
[01:01:22] isaac_: You have the one I mentioned?
[01:01:41] koshari: not the ati
[01:01:48] Dagmar: Mainly I am working with a reciever from an old Packard Bell set (which I think is wired screwed) and a URC-9660 "One4all" PVR remote
[01:02:03] Dagmar: I will not use ATI products.
[01:02:13] isaac_: ok
[01:02:23] koshari: iam finding it taking longer to figure out lirc than setting up myth!
[01:02:30] Dagmar: It's more arcane, to be sure.
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[01:03:22] isaac_: Ok iw works. I just had to set up a lircd.conf file and not use the one provided.
[01:03:27] isaac_: iw=irw
[01:03:59] koshari: irw gives connect: Connection refused
[01:04:03] Dagmar: I don't have anything against the _quality_ of ATI products... I just don't like that we have to reverse engineer bloody well everything with them, or wait ages on ATI to give us their precious drivers
[01:05:10] koshari: i think from reading heaps of posts i need to use >7.2.0 lirc with the dvico..
[01:05:32] koshari: what dizzys are you guys using"?
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[01:26:30] stephelton: anyone using gentoo and a hauppage 350 card/
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[01:28:35] isaac_: Dagmar: where can I find the keybindings to mythtv's functions?
[01:28:53] isaac_: Such as select volume down guide ect ect
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[01:36:51] metalac: hey guys
[01:37:17] metalac: i tried to get my pvr150 to work with ivtv 0.42 and all I got was snow, i upgraded to 0.62 and all I get now is black screen
[01:37:54] metalac: i get bunch of these "ivtv0: i2c addr 0x21 not found for command 0xc0cc5605!" errors in my dmesg
[01:38:23] metalac: any idea what might be causing this
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[01:47:58] Cardoe: someone call?
[01:49:35] metalac: i also get "VIDIOC_S_CTRL:: Invalid argument" in my mythbackend log
[01:50:15] Dagmar: metalac: What kernel are you using?
[01:50:26] metalac: 2.6.16.16
[01:50:34] Dagmar: Then you need 0.6.2, period
[01:50:41] metalac: i do have it
[01:50:52] metalac: but it won't work correctly
[01:50:59] Dagmar: "ivtv stable version 0.6.2 released (ChangeLog). This release is for the 2.6.16 kernel ONLY."
[01:51:08] Dagmar: "ivtv stable version 0.4.5 released (ChangeLog). This is a bug-fix release. This release is for kernels <= 2.6.15 only!"
[01:51:10] metalac: do i need V4L stuff compiled in or as modules?
[01:51:13] Dagmar: Do not expect 0.4.2 to work.
[01:51:34] Dagmar: You need to compile *all* of it as modules
[01:51:42] Dagmar: None of that should be built into the kernel.
[01:51:47] Dagmar: All that accomplishes is pain.
[01:52:23] Dagmar: Go back through, build it all as modules, and then look at what goes into the syslog when you load the modules.l
[01:53:07] metalac: doing right now
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[01:54:39] Cardoe: ok lemme get this across one more time
[01:54:43] Cardoe: 0.4.5 is broken in general
[01:54:46] Dagmar: No.
[01:54:53] Cardoe: 2.6.16.15 and higher is broken with 0.6.2
[01:55:01] Cardoe: Dagmar: yes. Chutt and I have gone over this.
[01:55:03] Dagmar: Read the ivtvdriver top level page, or what I just pasted from it
[01:55:23] Cardoe: Dagmar: and listen to the people that write the actual driver
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[01:55:55] Dagmar: Then why have they not updated their own web site?
[01:56:04] Dagmar: It's a Wiki. It's not like it's hard to update them.
[01:56:12] Cardoe: I don't feel like it?
[01:56:23] Dagmar: If you know this, why are you asking?
[01:56:30] Cardoe: I didn't ask
[01:56:32] Cardoe: I made a statement
[01:56:39] Cardoe: a very clear statement
[01:56:44] Dagmar: Fair enough then
[01:56:47] Cardoe: 0.4.5 has issues with MythTV
[01:56:51] Cardoe: that's undisputed.
[01:57:00] Cardoe: Hans insists its something with Myth
[01:57:08] Cardoe: Isaac insists its something with ivtv
[01:57:24] Cardoe: whatever it is... people have varying video/audio issues with 0.4.5
[01:57:26] Cardoe: and Myth
[01:57:44] Cardoe: 0.6.2 doesn't seem to work on 2.6.16.15 and 2.6.16.16
[01:57:58] metalac: are you sure?
[01:58:05] Dagmar: Well, it's been working with .18 and .19 at least
[01:58:38] Cardoe: metalac: You're about the the 100th person TODAY that says all they get is a black screen with 0.6.2 & 2.6.16.16 or 2.6.16.16
[01:58:38] Dagmar: Ran 24 hours straight on both of those kernels.
[01:58:52] metalac: ok so i should upgrade
[01:58:56] metalac: .20 is the latest
[01:59:03] Dagmar: @#$@
[01:59:04] Cardoe: no
[01:59:09] Cardoe: I'd go to 2.6.15
[01:59:22] mchou: lol
[01:59:30] metalac: well dagmar says it works on .18 and .19
[01:59:39] Cardoe: I don't care about Dagmar
[01:59:46] mchou: ivtv works just dandy here on 2.6.16.19
[01:59:46] metalac: ahahahaahah
[01:59:46] Cardoe: He can't tell the difference between a question and a statement.
[01:59:50] Dagmar: You realize that you're saying the exact opposite from the web page
[02:00:11] Cardoe: Dagmar: I don't give a shit what the page says
[02:00:13] metalac: where is the stuff that says that on page?
[02:00:14] Cardoe: it's been wrong before.
[02:00:19] Dagmar: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page
[02:00:41] Cardoe: hey mchou
[02:00:46] metalac: i don't see anything about 2.6.16.16 there
[02:00:54] mchou: hey Cardoe
[02:01:01] Cardoe: mchou: building a new system :)
[02:01:09] Dagmar: Of course. It's apparently being kept a secret and used to insult people on IRC
[02:01:11] mchou: Cardoe: what proc?
[02:01:17] Cardoe: mchou: you run HEAD or fixes?
[02:01:21] Cardoe: mchou: still trying to decide.
[02:01:26] mchou: Cardoe: on what?
[02:01:30] Cardoe: Sempron is the cheap way...
[02:01:36] Cardoe: Core Duo is the power way
[02:01:46] mchou: Cardoe: no, go A64 with collnquiet
[02:01:50] mchou: cool*
[02:01:51] Cardoe: and now I'm pondering the Turion
[02:02:03] Cardoe: that the Turion?
[02:02:17] mchou: $99 for 3000+ retail and mobo combo
[02:02:25] Cardoe: hmm
[02:02:30] Cardoe: SATA II mobo?
[02:02:34] mchou: nope
[02:02:36] Cardoe: I already got a HD on the way
[02:02:38] mchou: SATA I
[02:02:52] mchou: nforce3
[02:02:57] Cardoe: ah
[02:03:30] mchou: Cardoe: why are you considering Turion?
[02:03:48] mchou: it's more expensive than desktop a64
[02:04:04] Cardoe: it's apparently low power and cool
[02:04:05] mchou: and desktop a64 is a mobile proc already :)
[02:04:23] Cardoe: someone was telling me I can get a Turion and passively cool it
[02:04:36] Cardoe: I got a Nvidia 7600 GS with passive cooling
[02:04:36] mchou: my a64 3000+ is 51W TDP
[02:04:57] Cardoe: Sempron is high 30s
[02:05:05] Cardoe: and Core Duo is high 20s and low 30s
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[02:05:26] mchou: Cardoe: huh???
[02:05:27] hadees: anyone using a niveus remote?
[02:05:27] mchou: Cardoe: what are you smoking?
[02:05:33] Cardoe: I got this site
[02:05:36] Cardoe: that listed them all
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[02:05:45] Cardoe: I swear
[02:05:47] mchou: Semprons has higher TDP than a64, generally speaking
[02:05:58] mchou: Cardoe: lol
[02:06:06] mchou: Cardoe: that site is wrong
[02:06:25] mchou: Cardoe: go to the AMD site, they'll set you straight
[02:06:41] mchou: Cardoe: "compare processors"
[02:07:12] Cardoe: hrm
[02:07:19] Cardoe: it was the mobile Sempron
[02:07:27] mchou: Cardoe: and I can get away with passively cooling my a64
[02:07:32] Cardoe: Turion MT is 25W
[02:07:41] mchou: 90% of the time the HSF aint on
[02:08:17] mchou: Cardoe: of course Turions have lower TDP. That wasnt the "issue"
[02:08:31] Cardoe: HSF?
[02:08:40] mchou: the 10% that it is on is only when I'm playing games
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[02:08:56] mchou: Cardoe: Heat sink/fan
[02:09:26] Cardoe: oh
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[02:10:49] mchou: Cardoe: run powernow in linux and you'd be good to go.
[02:10:57] Cardoe: http://www.techpowerup.com/cpudb/?manufacture . . . amp;package=
[02:11:14] mchou: Cardoe: look for a mobo that's been cool'nquiet certified
[02:12:28] mchou: Cardoe: where do you see 30 TDP anywhere on that page?
[02:12:49] Cardoe: scroll to mobile
[02:13:37] mchou: dude, I already said mobile was lower. I was talking about desktop procs
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[02:16:07] mchou: Cardoe: page is lame anyways. Wont even let me go to the mobile page on Firefox
[02:18:09] mchou: Cardoe: and intel TDP and AMD TDP are apples to oranges
[02:19:00] mchou: Intel TDP is "Typical," not "maximum" like AMDs
[02:19:15] Cardoe: it says that?
[02:19:19] opello: not to pick nits, but the page doesn't have an anchor named 'AMD Mobile' which is why you can't 'go to that page'
[02:19:29] mchou: in other words, intel's numbers are artificially low
[02:19:50] opello: have to enable the 'amd mobile' section :)
[02:19:58] mchou: opello: well, you have to select the drop down box apparently
[02:20:18] mchou: opello: pretty bad web design
[02:20:22] opello: or pick the top one ... yeah, it is
[02:22:23] Cardoe: mchou: socket 939 or 754?
[02:22:37] mchou: Cardoe: doesnt matter really. your pref
[02:22:49] mchou: at least not for myth :)
[02:23:25] mchou: only reall diff bet 939 vs. 754 is dual channel mem support
[02:23:38] mchou: that hardly matters on a myth machine
[02:24:48] mchou: there have been rumors there will be a longer life span for 754
[02:26:08] mchou: AMD is on a quick march to M2
[02:27:50] Cardoe: AM2 no?
[02:28:00] Cardoe: man... why does no one make a board I want
[02:28:06] Cardoe: I don't want GeForce 6100
[02:28:06] mchou: Cardoe: whatever they call it these days
[02:28:09] metalac: what do you want?
[02:28:09] Cardoe: I want NForce4
[02:28:18] metalac: nfroce4 for 754?
[02:28:18] Cardoe: I don't want no stinking on board graphics
[02:28:49] mchou: there are plenty of nf4 and nf3 boards w/o graphics
[02:29:13] Cardoe: micro ATX
[02:29:15] mchou: all around $60, give or take $10
[02:30:15] Cardoe: microATX & SATA 3gb/s (aka SATA 2)
[02:30:15] Led-Hed: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . mp;maxPrice=
[02:30:37] Led-Hed: all NF4 without 6100 (onboard Video)
[02:30:50] Cardoe: Led-Hed: those are ATX
[02:30:53] Cardoe: not MicroATX
[02:30:59] Led-Hed: oh
[02:31:07] Led-Hed: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813188007
[02:31:43] Cardoe: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . mp;maxPrice=
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[02:32:23] abarbaccia: hey all – anybody here using a DVB card that can help me out with HD in the US?
[02:32:37] Cardoe: I guess I'll go with an ATX board
[02:32:38] mchou: Cardoe: why you'd want micro-atx is beyond me
[02:32:39] Cardoe: probably MSI
[02:32:53] Cardoe: mchou: why not?
[02:32:57] Cardoe: eats up less room in the case
[02:33:23] Led-Hed: really depends on what case you plan to use
[02:33:28] mchou: Cardoe: there is like 1 pci slot on a m-atx board
[02:33:36] Led-Hed: does it have to be NF4?
[02:34:19] mchou: Cardoe: if they are talking SLI for graphics w/ m-atx
[02:34:43] mchou: and pci-e
[02:35:09] Cardoe: Led-Hed: SATA II
[02:35:24] Led-Hed: thats the requirement?
[02:35:25] mchou: nforce4 doesnt have sata 2
[02:35:35] Led-Hed: yes it does
[02:36:07] mchou: Led-Hed: nf4 chipset itself does not
[02:36:34] mchou: Led-Hed: it'd would have to be another sata2 chip on the mobo
[02:37:01] mchou: you want sata2 wait for the next gen of mobos
[02:37:19] Cardoe: SATA 3gb/s
[02:37:23] Cardoe: look at all the boards with that
[02:37:26] Cardoe: Nforce410
[02:38:05] Led-Hed: http://us.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/Products/ . . . 0Pro-SLI.htm
[02:38:21] Led-Hed: no mention of 3rd party chip.
[02:39:10] metalac: sata2 makes no difference though
[02:39:19] metalac: who cares if it can push 300mbps when drives can barely do 100mbps
[02:39:30] Led-Hed: go to the drivers section, there is no SATA2 drivers except for nVidia drivers.
[02:40:17] Led-Hed: metalac: agreed, SATA-II isnt fully utilized at this time, no real benefit over SATA-I except maybe in a Large RAID configuration
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[02:43:17] mchou: Led-Hed: no mention doesnt mean there arent any. Look at the chip next to the sata plugs right here: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/82403/gigabyte-gak8n-prosli.html#
[02:43:46] mchou: blow up the picture
[02:44:33] Led-Hed: there arent any drivers for a 3dr party SATA chipset
[02:44:39] mchou: lol
[02:45:13] mchou: that's cause it talks SATA.
[02:45:19] mchou: i.e. a spec
[02:46:06] Led-Hed: look at the images from newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?I . . . d+%2D+Retail
[02:46:07] mchou: here is a better pic: http://3btech.net/gigaprso939w.html
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[02:46:14] Led-Hed: no chip
[02:46:22] mchou: Silicon Image SATA II controller
[02:46:35] metalac: ok cut it out with hardware talk and back to mythtv ;)
[02:46:45] Led-Hed: 3114?
[02:46:45] metalac: i still got issues even after upgrade to kernel 2.6.16.19
[02:46:48] mchou: plain as night and day
[02:46:58] m13a8: on my hauppauge pvr150, i have the ivtv drivers/module/whatever installed, loaded the modules, but when i run "lspci -v" the tv card doesn't show up, anybody know what's going on?
[02:47:34] mchou: m13a8: that means it's not fully inserted in the slot or is broken
[02:48:00] Led-Hed: agreed that image does show that there is a SI3114 chip but thats for 8 sata connections.
[02:48:06] m13a8: it might be a little loose in the slot...let's hope cuz i just bought this card :(
[02:48:09] metalac: well i see mine
[02:48:13] metalac: but drivers for it won't work
[02:48:49] metalac: i still have that i2c addr 0x21 not found for command error
[02:49:34] Led-Hed: read the specs here then look at the images. No SI 3114, and SATA 3.0
[02:49:37] Led-Hed: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128301
[02:52:22] mchou: Led-Hed: only nforce >= ultra have sata2 support.
[02:52:38] mchou: plain nf4 does not
[02:52:42] Led-Hed: that may be true
[02:53:06] Led-Hed: I didnt know we were talking about a specific version of NF4. My Bad
[02:53:26] Led-Hed: I've only ever owned the SLI and Ultra chipsets
[02:53:56] Led-Hed: just curious, whats wrong with the 6100?
[02:53:59] mchou: Led-Hed: yup. np
[02:54:28] mchou: Led-Hed: but I regret any of my PCI-e purchases
[02:54:39] Led-Hed: why is that?
[02:54:49] mchou: Led-Hed: still havent put them to good use
[02:54:55] Led-Hed: ahh
[02:54:57] mishehu: mchou: give them to me
[02:55:01] Led-Hed: lol
[02:55:03] mishehu: I'll make good use of pci-e's
[02:55:11] mchou: mishehu: with what?
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[02:55:32] mishehu: hell, I already am. areca pcie sata 300 raid controller, vid cards, etc.
[02:55:34] mchou: mishehu: convince me and your wish just might be granted
[02:55:35] Led-Hed: PCI-E is overrated. It hasn't shown any real advantage over AGP as of yet, just in theory
[02:55:41] metalac: so somebody had a similar problem and they solved it by doing a cold boot and waiting 30s
[02:55:48] metalac: i did same thing but no help
[02:55:49] Cardoe: mchou: you use fixes or head?
[02:55:49] mchou: mishehu: lol
[02:56:03] mchou: Cardoe: what code are you talking about?
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[02:56:34] mchou: mishehu: you dont use sli for vid card?
[02:56:35] Cardoe: mythtv
[02:56:41] mchou: Cardoe: fixes
[02:56:55] mishehu: mchou: nah, I am not rich enough to own that many cards for my machines
[02:56:58] Cardoe: got a stable build #?
[02:57:11] mchou: nope
[02:57:13] mishehu: mchou: I have a dual proc capable opteron mobo here with only one dual core chip in it...
[02:57:19] Cardoe: mchou: it's not stable for oyu?
[02:57:32] mchou: it's plenty stable for me.
[02:57:41] mchou: I just dont have the #
[02:57:43] Cardoe: mchou: what svn changeset #
[02:57:44] Cardoe: oh
[02:58:05] mishehu: myth's pretty stable for me, hte hardware it's running on is another story (older athlon barton xp 3200)
[02:58:40] mishehu: and I really wish I could figure out how to run both an irblaster and an sblive remote on the same box.
[02:58:40] ** Led-Hed loves Bartons **
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[02:58:56] mishehu: Led-Hed: love them for what, burning things with them?
[02:59:06] Led-Hed: Barton + NF2 Mobo = Best bang for the buck
[02:59:08] mchou: making coffee
[02:59:09] mishehu: turn one on, and you can use it to brand your cattle
[02:59:19] metalac: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[02:59:22] metalac: finally got it to work :)
[02:59:24] mchou: Led-Hed: huh??
[02:59:29] mishehu: Led-Hed: no, five dolla sucky sucky is best bang for buck
[02:59:40] Led-Hed: hell no. I have a Barton 3200 running stable for 3 years now as 2500 on air
[02:59:43] metalac: now to make it do 16:9 :)
[02:59:43] mchou: Led-Hed: a64 + any mobo is best bang for buck
[02:59:56] mishehu: yeah, I agree with mchou
[03:00:02] Led-Hed: mchou: only as of rescently
[03:00:06] Cardoe: hrm
[03:00:09] mchou: Led-Hed: considering the utility bill you'd save over barton
[03:00:15] Cardoe: 1000mhz fsb?
[03:00:16] Led-Hed: lol
[03:00:18] mishehu: Led-Hed: how recent is recently? I've had mine for over a year now
[03:00:19] Cardoe: or 800 ok?
[03:00:21] Cardoe: what's the diff procs?
[03:00:32] mishehu: I wouldn't buy a64 if there wasn't good bang for buck.
[03:00:41] Led-Hed: all my frontends are NF2 + Barton or Duron Applebred
[03:00:55] Led-Hed: quiet and low power.
[03:01:00] mchou: Led-Hed: show us you electric bill and we will talk :)
[03:01:02] Led-Hed: no heat issues.
[03:01:10] mishehu: Led-Hed: hell, if I could somehow fit an sblive audigy 2zs platinum in a mini itx, I'd use a c7 esther for a front end.
[03:01:15] Led-Hed: mine only use 1.2 w
[03:01:19] mishehu: low power, passively cooled.
[03:01:22] Led-Hed: underclocked them
[03:01:30] Led-Hed: no noise
[03:01:37] Led-Hed: and run myth just fine
[03:02:05] mishehu: I'd still prefer epia c7 for a front end
[03:02:17] mishehu: the back end would have to be a more substantial box though.
[03:02:29] mchou: Led-Hed: a64 comes with dynamic underclocking in the form of powernow :)
[03:02:34] Led-Hed: I have a Mini-ITX for my firewall. But havent tried to run Myth on it yet
[03:03:02] mchou: Led-Hed: no need to perma-underclock
[03:03:02] Led-Hed: mchou: exactly, I just did the same thing with Barton. Only its not dynamic.
[03:03:27] Led-Hed: lower utility bills.  ;p
[03:03:45] Led-Hed: not really, I do it for noise
[03:04:06] Cardoe: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . mp;maxPrice=
[03:04:11] Cardoe: too many freaking Asus boards
[03:04:21] ** Led-Hed hates Asus **
[03:04:38] Cardoe: Deluxe, Premium, Regular, 32 Regular, 32 Deluxe, 32 Premium
[03:04:41] Cardoe: Led-Hed: why?
[03:04:56] Led-Hed: cheap Caps
[03:05:11] mchou: Led-Hed: huh??
[03:05:35] Dagmar: Strange that they overclock so well then
[03:05:37] Led-Hed: All the Applebreds are running at 1.0v 10x multiplier and 100mhz FSB
[03:05:43] mchou: Led-Hed: my asus uses Rubycon and Sanyo
[03:05:56] mchou: These are NOT cheap caps
[03:06:00] Led-Hed: mchou: Last 3 Asus boards I've had all died with busted Caps
[03:06:04] Cardoe: hrm
[03:06:06] Cardoe: nForce 550?
[03:06:08] Cardoe: wtf is that
[03:06:20] MonMotha: Led-Hed: my solution is to replace the caps
[03:06:27] Led-Hed: new AM2 Socket?
[03:06:28] mchou: that's the latest and greatest chipset
[03:07:10] mishehu: probably has a huge hsf on it too, worse than the nf4?
[03:07:11] Led-Hed: MonMotha: All of them. That takes some time. Why not just buy a board with good ones to start with
[03:07:21] mchou: of all my mobos only Asus uses high quality caps
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[03:07:35] mishehu: I've not had any busted caps on asus boards
[03:07:36] mchou: Giga-byte too
[03:07:36] abarbaccia: hey all, how do people figure out what HD channels are available to them?
[03:07:43] MonMotha: Led-Hed: because you generally don't now what caps they'll be using on a particular run of the boards
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[03:07:44] mishehu: I did have one that the nforce4 fried
[03:07:52] mishehu: when their shitty fan stopped working
[03:07:56] MonMotha: it takes me about 30 minutes to replace the dead caps on your average motherboard
[03:08:06] Led-Hed: mchou: cant say the same here. But each to his own. If Asus works for you then great. I just havent had good luck with them
[03:08:08] Cardoe: what do you guys think of Biostar?
[03:08:08] MonMotha: about $15 for the caps on average, including shipping
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[03:08:24] MonMotha: abarbaccia: terrestrial or cable? USA or elsewhere
[03:08:26] Cardoe: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138026
[03:08:32] abarbaccia: MonMotha: USA
[03:08:35] Cardoe: Biostar board with AM2
[03:08:39] MonMotha: abarbaccia: cable or OTA?
[03:08:39] mchou: MonMotha: and about another 3 hrs to track down the proper caps :)
[03:08:52] mchou: MonMotha: low esr and shit
[03:09:00] ** Led-Hed likes Biostar for a inexpensive board **
[03:09:03] abarbaccia: MonMotha: cable – i have a DVB card and have the drivers loaded – i did the scan and everything – i got hte channels.conf file
[03:09:18] MonMotha: I couldn't get MythTV to import that thing, even though it should be able to
[03:09:20] abarbaccia: i just can't play the channels and have like 275 channels it found
[03:09:22] mchou: Led-Hed: hehe, some biostar boards are made by ecs
[03:09:29] MonMotha: yeah, most of them are probably encrypted
[03:09:34] Led-Hed: mchou: really?
[03:09:40] Cardoe: ecs = bad?
[03:09:42] mchou: Led-Hed: no joke
[03:09:44] Led-Hed: yes
[03:09:49] abarbaccia: MonMotha: right they are from the cable company – just regular digital channels – how do i find which are HD channels I can use
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[03:09:55] mchou: Led-Hed: lemme find link
[03:09:57] Cardoe: so steer clear basicaly?
[03:09:59] MonMotha: you can try a full scan in mythtv-setup, but it didn't find anything for me
[03:10:09] Led-Hed: I didnt know that. All the Biostars I've owned are still in operation
[03:10:13] MonMotha: abarbaccia: pull the MPEG stream and query it for resolution
[03:10:21] MonMotha: and hope your cableco has correct PSIP info
[03:10:29] abarbaccia: MonMotha: what's PSIP?
[03:10:49] MonMotha: it's the table that associates "channels" with MPEG TS PIDs
[03:11:04] MonMotha: in theory, it'll have station identification, as well
[03:11:07] abarbaccia: how do i figure that out
[03:11:11] MonMotha: so a scan
[03:11:18] MonMotha: mythtv-setup has a scan option. use it
[03:12:04] MonMotha: you may have to add the transports yourself. You can use the frequencies from channels.conf and then thell mythtv-setup to do a scan of existing transports, which worked for me
[03:12:49] mchou: Led-Hed: http://www.biostar.com.tw/products/mainboard/ . . . me=NF325-A7#
[03:13:23] Led-Hed: where does it say its bade by ECS?
[03:13:29] mchou: Led-Hed: gimme one sec
[03:13:34] Led-Hed: oh
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[03:14:02] Dagmar: ECS has been making the hardware for other companies for about 3x as long as they've been putting their own brand on stuff.
[03:14:10] mchou: Led-Hed: http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Products/Product . . . &LanID=0
[03:14:24] m13a8: i'm sorry if this h ave been asked 400094587349 times, but how do i change the default channel? because when i try to tune to tv, the screen flashes back then back to the menu and the backend says the default channel doesn't exist
[03:14:27] Dagmar: It's still all pretty much borderline equipment. It might *work*, but it's not something you expect to keep working forever or in a hostile environment
[03:14:29] mchou: Led-Hed: BIOS is interchangable too :)
[03:14:40] Cardoe: BIOSTAR TFORCE 550 ATX
[03:14:43] Cardoe: is that made by ECS?
[03:14:50] Led-Hed: no biggie. I dont won that particular board.
[03:15:21] mchou: Led-Hed: yeah, but that's not the point :)
[03:15:27] Led-Hed: agreed
[03:15:47] Led-Hed: I'll do a little more research before I buy another Biostar.
[03:15:56] mchou: Led-Hed: hehe
[03:16:02] Dagmar: ECS makes PCChips' boards. That should be a warning sign right there
[03:16:04] Led-Hed: they have been good boards so far.
[03:16:30] ** Led-Hed prefers Abit,Epox,Gigabyte **
[03:16:51] Led-Hed: though I havent had an Epox in a while
[03:18:33] Cardoe: I've had some good MSI boards
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[03:18:44] Dagmar: I like my MSI-6712.
[03:18:50] mchou: Dagmar: there is nothing wrong with ecs these days. They are targeted at the value (non overclocking) consumer. Still use cheap caps, but they last for at least 3 yrs
[03:19:28] Dagmar: It's been running 24/7 for like, four years or so now
[03:19:34] mchou: I dont think they are any worse than foxconn
[03:19:48] Cardoe: well I've narrowed it down to 6 Mobos
[03:19:53] Cardoe: 5 are Socket 939
[03:19:55] Cardoe: 1 is AM2
[03:20:07] mchou: and foxconn make stuff for dell and hp and whatnot
[03:20:20] Dagmar: I don't think Am2 is going to turn out to be terribly cost-effective right now
[03:20:30] Cardoe: 1 Biostar, 2 Gigabyte, 1 eVGA, and 2 MSI
[03:21:12] Cardoe: 104 for a 3000+ AM2
[03:22:05] Dagmar: You're kidding, right?
[03:22:11] Dagmar: Who's selling those for that little?
[03:22:28] Cardoe: newegg
[03:22:36] Dagmar: DAmn they are evil
[03:23:02] Cardoe: I think it's actually cheaper then the 939 socket
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[03:23:23] Dagmar: I can tell you it is
[03:23:28] Dagmar: I've been pricing them the last three days
[03:24:03] Cardoe: yep
[03:24:07] Cardoe: it's cheaper then the 939
[03:24:16] Cardoe: so
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[03:24:33] Cardoe: Biostar with nForce 550 & 3000+ AM2 processor
[03:24:41] Cardoe: the proc is $104 and the board is $85
[03:24:51] Dagmar: Slower bus tho is something I'd want to look into tho
[03:25:11] Cardoe: slower bus?
[03:25:17] Cardoe: it's still 1000mhz HT
[03:25:21] Dagmar: The 939's go at 2000Mhz instead of the 1600Mhz the Am2's NewEgg has
[03:26:16] Cardoe: er
[03:26:16] Cardoe: no
[03:26:26] Cardoe: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138026
[03:26:45] Cardoe: that's what I'm thinking about
[03:27:00] Dagmar: Holy crap
[03:27:06] Dagmar: Dude, $104 isn't the cost of the chip.
[03:27:11] Dagmar: It's the cost of the chip PLUS the board
[03:27:19] Dagmar: I was wondering why I was seeing $77 for the chips
[03:27:23] Led-Hed: DDR2 on the nVidia boards is a joke
[03:27:24] Dagmar: That's a nice deal
[03:27:28] Cardoe: Led-Hed: ?
[03:27:35] Led-Hed: not any faster than DDR
[03:27:41] Cardoe: Dagmar: no... 104 is the chip cost
[03:28:09] Led-Hed: Cardoe: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/23/amd_reinvents_itself/
[03:28:11] Dagmar: Cardoe: Doh. You're right. Shopping cart laughed at me
[03:28:15] Led-Hed: have fun reading all 62 pages
[03:29:14] Dagmar: Cardoe: Lemme suggest this board if you're on the fence about which chip to get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813157081
[03:29:31] Dagmar: You can get an addon board for it that will handle the AM2's, and it has a 939-pin socket on the board
[03:29:41] Dagmar: I've been kind of brutal on mine so far
[03:29:47] Led-Hed: asrock?
[03:29:50] Dagmar: Yep
[03:30:00] Led-Hed: never heard of them
[03:30:08] Dagmar: Asus spun them off actually.
[03:30:29] Led-Hed: Oh god, a cheaper version of Asus
[03:30:49] Dagmar: This board is just freaky. Upgradable to a crazy degree.
[03:30:49] Dagmar: Actually it was getting very good reviews, even on the overclocker sites.
[03:30:49] Led-Hed: Uli chipset?
[03:30:53] Dagmar: Yeah
[03:31:05] ** Led-Hed passes on that one **
[03:31:06] Dagmar: Which is apparently a good chipset since nVidia rather hurriedly bought them up
[03:31:28] mchou: Led-Hed: there is nothing wrong with ULi
[03:31:34] Dagmar: There's nothing wrong with the ULi chipset
[03:31:43] Dagmar: The 2.6.x kernels support it fine
[03:32:06] Dagmar: The SATA2 chip on the board is still flagged experimental (iirc) but that's about it
[03:32:24] mchou: In fact ULi vey good bang for buck
[03:32:28] mchou: very*
[03:32:53] Led-Hed: I'll spend $67 on a nForce instead
[03:33:12] mchou: but I wouldnt get an a64 board w/o integrated firewire :)
[03:33:23] Led-Hed: SLI and Budget board dont make sense
[03:33:36] ** Led-Hed loves ieee1394 **
[03:34:00] mchou: FW 800 baby!
[03:34:06] Led-Hed: I'm not a big fan of intrigrated motherboards, but thats the way things are going.
[03:34:38] Led-Hed: dont really need more than 1 or 2 slots unless its a server board
[03:34:47] mchou: Led-Hed: bullshit
[03:35:05] mchou: My mythbox has all slots loaded
[03:35:15] Led-Hed: speaking of. I'm looking at setting up Dual Xeon Dempseys (2x Dual Core)
[03:35:53] Led-Hed: mchou: Mine too. 4x PVR-250 and 3Ware RAID controller. But its a server not a desktop
[03:36:43] Led-Hed: mchou: what do you have in it? other than Video card?
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[03:37:53] Cardoe: I think I'm gonna go with this biostar board.
[03:37:59] Cardoe: the Nforce 550
[03:38:14] Led-Hed: cool, let me know how it works out
[03:38:27] mchou: firewire, 3x pvr150, vid card, ide controller
[03:38:40] Led-Hed: keep in mind that NF5 uses a different Socket. Socket = AM2 940pin
[03:38:47] Cardoe: Led-Hed: yes
[03:38:52] Cardoe: Gonna get a 3000+ chip
[03:38:57] m13a8: in the program guide, every channel is shifted one. it thinks channel 10 is channel 11, 40 is 41, etc... anybody have an idead what's wrong with this?
[03:39:01] Led-Hed: mchou: and thats not a server?
[03:39:02] Cardoe: it's $104 for the chip if I buy it with the board from Newegg
[03:39:29] Cardoe: Led-Hed: the AM2 might not have been necessary but that's where stuff is going
[03:39:39] Led-Hed: Cardoe: did you read that toms hardware link I posted?
[03:39:45] Cardoe: parts of it
[03:39:51] Cardoe: should it talk me out of that board?
[03:40:07] Led-Hed: not sure. do you plan to overclock?
[03:40:41] Cardoe: no
[03:40:53] ** Led-Hed gut feeling is that this chipset will be replaced quickley much like the NF3 **
[03:41:27] Cardoe: when they go to 65nm?
[03:41:51] Led-Hed: thats the way of things. More cpu's per wafer, lower cost
[03:42:35] Cardoe: yeah
[03:42:48] Led-Hed: AM2 is their first go of it.
[03:42:59] Cardoe: they're 90nm
[03:43:06] Led-Hed: humm?
[03:43:43] Led-Hed: so they are.
[03:43:59] Led-Hed: I was under the impression that the AM2's would be on the new die
[03:44:33] Dagmar: They probably will in time
[03:44:50] Led-Hed: I wonder if the 65nm chips will have higher clock rates?
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[03:56:41] Cardoe: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128301
[03:56:53] Cardoe: apparently the Gigabyte network chip isn't supported in Linux
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[03:57:53] hi2: yo
[03:58:00] hi2: is there a way to autoexpire epsiodes when it reaching an episode limit
[03:58:18] MonMotha: hi2: one of the episode limit options is to delete the oldest before recording the new one
[03:59:08] hi2: oh cool
[03:59:18] hi2: in setting right? i'll have to check that
[03:59:49] hi2: thanks
[04:01:02] hi2: 6/6/6
[04:02:31] Led-Hed: Cardoe: same goes for the Epox variant
[04:05:45] Cardoe: Led-Hed: ?
[04:05:51] Led-Hed: ya?
[04:06:04] Cardoe: I haven't been looking at any Epox boards
[04:06:25] Led-Hed: I just noticed that it also has the same Network chip
[04:06:42] Led-Hed: no if you are shopping around keep that in mind
[04:06:50] Cardoe: oh
[04:07:05] Cardoe: the Marvell GigE don't work in Linux yet
[04:07:17] Cardoe: nor do the Cicadi (spelling) chips
[04:07:27] Led-Hed: the Marvels dont?
[04:08:13] Led-Hed: I was considering getting a board with the Marvel chip.
[04:08:17] Led-Hed: good to know
[04:08:32] Led-Hed: My Intel and Broadcom chips work great
[04:11:24] Cardoe: MSI > Biostar quality wise?
[04:11:43] Led-Hed: Not in my experience. About the same
[04:12:10] janneg: Cardoe: nforce4 gigabyte boards with cicada phy work with linux
[04:12:14] Led-Hed: MSI has a better site for support and BIOS updates
[04:13:38] Cardoe: oh
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[04:14:51] Cardoe: janneg: what driver?
[04:16:04] Cardoe: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130049
[04:19:38] janneg: Cardoe: nforce on this board: http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboa . . . 8NF9%20Ultra
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[04:24:25] mchou: Cardoe: the marvell and Cicada Phys are supported in linux afaik
[04:24:39] Cardoe: mchou: not the gige
[04:24:44] Cardoe: for marvell
[04:24:51] Cardoe: unless support was just added
[04:24:57] Cardoe: my PPC board has one
[04:25:12] mchou: no, marvell gigE is supported
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[04:26:32] mchou: sk98 provides appropriatesupport for gigE
[04:28:01] mchou: Cardoe: you STILL using 2.4 kernel? :)
[04:28:17] Cardoe: heh
[04:28:19] Cardoe: no
[04:29:22] Cardoe: janneg: newegg doesn't have that board. :(
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[06:10:15] bevege: I just need a little help with adding channels
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[08:39:46] Dibblah: stuarta: Here?
[08:40:20] Dibblah: If so, did you ever get the HD test broadcast working?
[08:40:50] Dibblah: Note to self: Check user list before asking if someone is here :)
[08:41:08] thermite: /names
[08:41:37] thermite: (Note to Dibblah)
[08:42:16] thermite: :)
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[09:41:27] alieas: looks like xine-hd wasn't compiling due to gcc4 being to picky...
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[09:53:29] thermite: GCC4 is still crap, wait another year.
[09:56:02] alieas: damn.. it still didn't work under gcc32
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[09:56:27] Juski: good moaning
[09:57:01] stuarta: morning Juski
[09:57:22] stuarta: this might cheer you up -> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060605142442771
[09:57:49] Merlin83b2: Morning Juski
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[10:01:20] Juski: cheer me up? I'm v. happy today :-)
[10:01:54] stuarta: well it's interesting. a uk gov department coming up with the correct answers on DRM
[10:02:29] Juski: I read about that yesterday. quite shocking really. a govt dept. doing the _right_ thing for a change?!
[10:02:37] alieas: can anyone tell me how I can log make errors to a file so I can analyze it?
[10:02:48] stuarta: tee
[10:03:17] Juski: milk, one sugar thanks
[10:03:33] stuarta: no milk. 1.5 sugars
[10:04:08] alieas: no?
[10:04:19] alieas: make >> make.log, doesn't grab errors
[10:04:22] Juski: alieas: the _tee_ option
[10:04:23] stuarta: alieas: seriously -> make 2>&1 | tee logfile
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[10:04:46] stuarta: the 2>&1 is important
[10:05:01] alieas: nice thankx
[10:05:31] Juski: I usually just make a nice big scrollback buffer instead
[10:05:38] ** stuarta now fancies a cup of tea... **
[10:05:45] Juski: but I'll keep that one in mind :-)
[10:06:05] Dibblah: stuarta: Did you ever get the HD transmissions working properly for you?
[10:06:16] Dibblah: Morning, BTW :)
[10:07:32] alieas: scrollback buffer thats a good idea too. hey that DRM stuff is great to see too btw
[10:08:08] stuarta: morning Dibblah, ffmpeg still craps out on the test TX I have, but todays mplayer svn doesn't die. will see what it looks like when I get home
[10:09:00] stuarta: Juski: i do quite like groklaw, the interpret all of the various court judgements for us non lawyers.
[10:12:02] alieas: when you run 'make' a second time after it errors out, it picks up were it left off.. correct?
[10:12:10] Juski: stuarta: cool.. bookmarked!
[10:12:18] thermite: Juski: scrollback buffer?
[10:12:29] Juski: alieas: so long as you fixed what was wrong, yeh
[10:12:30] stuarta: especially the ongoing SCO saga.. :-)
[10:12:43] Juski: thermite: I use putty
[10:12:57] thermite: putty for what, irssi?
[10:13:16] Juski: for all terminal duties
[10:13:26] thermite: Juski: yeah
[10:13:44] ** stuarta is happy linux is his desktop **
[10:13:54] thermite: stuarta: indeed
[10:14:14] thermite: openssh
[10:14:30] Juski: show me a decent video editor on linux.. I mean _really_ good & I'll put linux on my desktop
[10:14:33] stuarta: once a week I have to use winbloze to do the timesheet :(
[10:14:46] thermite: Juski: you sound like a mac user
[10:15:03] Juski: nah I'm just serious about video editing
[10:15:09] thermite: Juski: "desktop"
[10:15:10] Juski: and audio editing come to that
[10:15:11] stuarta: Juski: have you tried projectx interactively?
[10:15:14] Merlin83b2: What do you use, Juski?
[10:15:32] Juski: sony vegas. premiere is too slow & ungainly
[10:15:34] ** stuarta tries to remember the audio one (think it's audacity) **
[10:15:48] Juski: stuarta: there's 'editing' (cutting) and there's _editing_
[10:16:09] thermite: Juski: face the fact, we all do, if you're a real geek, you have one of every system running
[10:16:12] stuarta: _editing_ as in *authoring*
[10:16:30] Juski: stuarta: editing, compositing, effects... for both audio & video
[10:16:36] alieas: heh, so now I just go into the .c file and comment out the lines that are troublesome, right?
[10:17:16] stuarta: nope, you go and fix what is wrong with those lines the compiler is complaining about
[10:17:31] Juski: if you want it to ever work ^^^
[10:17:41] thermite: heh
[10:17:49] stuarta: if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces
[10:17:52] thermite: all my computers that run linux work
[10:18:13] thermite: the others run themselves into the ground
[10:18:35] Dibblah: stuarta: Latest mails on the DVB ML seem to be saying that even dvbscan is getting it wrong for those mplexes.
[10:19:03] Juski: if you have a look in www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/videos – then show me a video editing program in linux that can do all that & doesn't need a farm of opterons...
[10:19:16] stuarta: I think that's because it's got different stream id's for audio & video to normal dvb
[10:19:20] Dibblah: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2006-June/010712.html
[10:19:28] thermite: Juski: separate that from real world situations
[10:19:35] Merlin83b2: I'm a Premiere user at the moment, Juski.
[10:19:36] stuarta: Dibblah: I'm subscribed :)
[10:19:40] Dibblah: :)
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[10:19:55] alieas: xine-lib-1.1.1-patched  – would I going down the wrong path even looking at this 'video_out_xxmc.c' file that started the first error during 'make' ?
[10:20:04] Juski: thermite: I'm just speaking from my perspective. like I'm a heretic for thinking that I don't care what's OSS & what isn't, so long as it works
[10:20:27] thermite: Juski: not at all
[10:21:04] Dibblah: I don't like non-OSS. Specifically, the nvidia driver. I'm seeing 100% CPU with opengl vsync, and can't track it down with oprofile since there's no symbols.
[10:21:07] thermite: Juski: just why i'm saying we geeks have 9+ computers and one doesn't run linux
[10:21:17] Juski: ah
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[10:21:35] Juski: it's more out of necessity than anything else in my case though ;-)
[10:21:40] Dibblah: Only 9? <looks around> Uhoh.
[10:21:58] thermite: 9+ ;)
[10:22:17] Dibblah: I've only got 12 in active use.
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[10:22:48] Juski: 3 linux machines (soon to be 4 when I fixing hacking the s100), wife's win2k laptop & my xp desktop box... oh I forgot the xbox
[10:23:15] thermite: keep forgetting the xbox
[10:23:36] Juski: thinking of going debian on this new toy o mine
[10:23:45] ** stuarta only has 2. this beast & 5yr old laptop **
[10:25:28] Juski: dying to get cracking with the cracking
[10:28:16] Juski: jees man these seagates go like _stink_ !
[10:29:13] stuarta: the big puppies?
[10:29:20] Merlin83b: Did the s100 arrive, Juski?
[10:29:49] Merlin83b: I'm guessing no.
[10:30:11] Juski: oh it did... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/s100/
[10:30:20] Merlin83b: Ooh
[10:30:25] Juski: testing 320GB disks at the mo stuarta
[10:30:47] Merlin83b: Heh, and the first thing you did was open it up :-)
[10:30:48] Juski: today I'll be adding the xtra ide connector & fitting the vga socket t' case
[10:31:31] Merlin83b: Was going to ask about that.
[10:31:44] Merlin83b: Has 1 IDE in there already?
[10:31:47] Juski: spent _hours_ trying to get into the bios to stop it booting CE.. then found out the front panel uses the ps2 keyboard connections too... infact the IR receiver is mapped to keypresses
[10:31:57] Merlin83b: Heh, cool.
[10:32:51] Juski: front panel needs resprayed already.. got scuffed in the bag I brought it to work in :-/ should've put the mains lead somewhere else
[10:32:58] Merlin83b: Oops
[10:33:11] Merlin83b: I think I'll be booting off a USB stick if it'll do that.
[10:33:12] Juski: but I'd planned to do that anyway – respray it to take the t-online crap off
[10:33:26] Juski: got it loading DSL from a USB stick already
[10:33:34] Merlin83b: Excellent.
[10:33:46] Merlin83b: Know if it'll do PXE?
[10:33:55] Juski: next step will be to actually get it doing something _useful
[10:35:42] Juski: I think it'll do PXE yeah
[10:35:55] Merlin83b: Then sod the USB stick :-)
[10:35:56] Juski: didn't spend much time looking in the BIOS
[10:36:15] Merlin83b: What's your overall plan for it – USB stick, mfe?
[10:36:24] Juski: I'll get it working, then mess about with PXE
[10:36:53] Juski: mythfrontend is the object of the whole exercise
[10:37:48] Juski: there's already a gentoo based package where the TV out works & everything but they keep it passworded. need to contact someone to let me have that
[10:37:52] Merlin83b: So storageless, PXE booting mfe is the end goal?
[10:38:05] Juski: abso-diddly-lutely
[10:38:39] Juski: the PSU is totally passive so it won't really sustain a HDD anyway by the look of it
[10:38:45] Merlin83b: I look forward to it :-)
[10:39:06] Merlin83b: Yeah, could well be true. That said, mine is an external brick and is running 2 hdds, 2 tuners...
[10:39:16] Merlin83b: But it was designed with that in mind where the one in the s100 won't have been.
[10:39:25] Juski: yes but that's a very efficient PSU
[10:39:56] Juski: we're about to start using external bricks & internal DC-DC (ATX) converters – they're brilliant
[10:40:18] Juski: I want to use the box as unchanged as possible
[10:40:48] Juski: (keeps the cost way down too)
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[10:41:15] Juski: real SCART tv out though (drool)
[10:41:19] Merlin83b: Yeah, gotta love that.
[10:41:31] Merlin83b: I hope you finish soon. I will then be hitting eBay :-)
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[10:41:44] Juski: I'm already watching 2 more of these things
[10:41:58] Merlin83b: Heh, why more?
[10:42:04] Juski: why not?
[10:43:02] Juski: there's a few more things I'd like to try.. like soldering a PCI socket onto the board & putting a tuner in there (with a better PSU of course)
[10:43:36] Juski: with a dual dvb-t tuner, HDD...
[10:43:41] Juski: mythtv STB !!
[10:44:52] ** Juski wonders if a topfield pvr would run linux... **
[10:45:51] Juski: actually there's a dvb-t dreambox in the works apparently
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[10:58:01] alieas: has anyone here compiled xine-hd ?>
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[11:03:05] alieas: oh well... guess I'll give it another crack tommorow. I did actually get 'getatsc' to record some OTA HD data today tho.  :) was able to play it in mplayer although it was choppy as hell... still made some progress
[11:03:35] alieas: thanks for the help, juski, all
[11:04:40] Dagmar: Man the fftw library is bitchy about arch types
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[12:11:30] Beirdo: raining in paradise again this morning
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[12:18:31] Beirdo: heya, bjohnson
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[12:18:59] bjohnson: hi
[12:19:01] bjohnson: how's it going?
[12:19:07] Beirdo: pretty damned good :)
[12:19:30] Beirdo: the wife is off to work, time for me to play before completing my list of tasks about the house :)
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[12:20:14] Beirdo: first thing I want to do is make a bootable OpenBSD CD for this Ultra5 so I can install
[12:20:17] Beirdo: :)
[12:21:34] Beirdo: how's the weather in Ontario these days?
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[12:25:41] bjohnson: Beirdo: slightly hot
[12:25:45] bjohnson: and typically muggy
[12:25:55] Beirdo: ahh.  :)
[12:26:00] Beirdo: welcome to summer
[12:26:01] bjohnson: you made it to the island did you?
[12:26:03] Beirdo: yup
[12:26:06] bjohnson: is it island or islands
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[12:26:17] bjohnson: multiple right?
[12:26:20] Beirdo: one main one, and a couple little ones with beaches
[12:26:34] Beirdo: I'm on the main island :)
[12:26:55] bjohnson: you had only been there to visit before right?
[12:26:56] Beirdo: gotta learn me more Spanish
[12:26:58] Beirdo: yeah
[12:27:04] bjohnson: any surprises yet about living there?
[12:27:16] Beirdo: not yet :)
[12:27:17] dev: wow, moved out to an island? thats cool
[12:27:28] Beirdo: yeah, Canada -> Puerto Rico
[12:27:32] dev: rich man :D
[12:27:35] Beirdo: it's raining right now
[12:27:39] Beirdo: married man :)
[12:27:39] Beirdo: heh
[12:28:05] Beirdo: our house is kinda in the edge of the mountains, not on the beach though
[12:28:05] laga: re
[12:28:24] Beirdo: her parent's house is about 5 blocks from the beach at the other side of town
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[12:28:40] Beirdo: err, parents'
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[12:29:12] laga: Juski: how's the baby?
[12:29:17] dev: nice
[12:29:46] Beirdo: if you don't like hot weather, don't move to the Caribbean :)
[12:29:47] Juski: laga: doing good. fitted the vga socket today, cleaned the solder out of the other IDE socket & the PCI socket position :-)
[12:30:22] laga: Juski: nice :). today? no work for you?
[12:30:41] ** Beirdo slaps OpenBSD **
[12:30:56] Beirdo: buggers ship a "should be bootable" ISO for sparc64
[12:30:58] Juski: laga: lunchhour :-)
[12:31:02] Beirdo: which isn't at all bootable
[12:31:05] Juski: "ausgezeichnete Kommunikation, schneller Service!"
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[12:31:07] stuarta: aka foreign order
[12:31:13] dev: should be eh.. that doesnt sound promising
[12:31:20] laga: Juski: ah, ok. mine already has a pci slot fitted :)