Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, June 6th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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psofa:

although the video

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psofa:

is still pausy

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psofa:

id say that its even more pausy

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kormoc:

what version of myth are you running?

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psofa:

trunk

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psofa:

1009x

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kormoc:

you might want to give stable (19-fixes) a try

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psofa:

kormoc, im coming from 0.19 :)

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kormoc:

0.19 or 0.19-fixes?

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psofa:

the problem is more apparent with the pvr150

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psofa:

probably due to higher video bitrate

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psofa:

kormoc, 0.19

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psofa:

im not going fixes i need fast dvb tuning

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kormoc:

might want to try 0.19-fixes then

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kormoc:

ooh

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psofa:

kormoc, also

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kormoc:

well, you might be stuck with pausy video until it gets fixed in head.

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psofa:

when i disable extra audio buffers

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Juski:

turn off EIT collection – that might help

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achew22:

kormoc: do you have any ideas on my lirc problem?

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psofa:

i get frequent buffer underuns

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psofa:

which match the pausy video

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kormoc:

well, that is normal with pvr 150's

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kormoc:

well, any pvrs really

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kormoc:

my m179 needs that setting to work properly

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isaac_:

anyone know why irw works in mode 2 only?

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psofa:

can i disable the osd fadeout effect?

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achew22:

does anyone have a clue as to why my hauppage tuner cards wont tune in UHF channels?

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Dagmar:

achew22: Because they were never designed to. Feel free to examine the specs. They do channels 2–13 bcast and 1–125 cable (nearly the same thing), both of which are VHF

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jams:

psofa- yes

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Dagmar:

For example: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr500mce.html

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kormoc:

jams, ooh? how might one do that?

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psofa:

jams, how?

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achew22:

Dagmar: okay — why wont my tuners over 13? I assumed that was because of the break between uhf and vhf

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achew22:

Dagmar are they in some kind of crazy "air" mode?

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psofa:

its so laggy for my cpu that it isnt a nice effect to begin with

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Dagmar:

Because you have them set to _broadcast_ not _cable_ spectrum.

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Dagmar:

Use your head.

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jams:

psofa- your talking about the OSD and not the menu, right?

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achew22:

Dagmar: is it in ivtvctl?

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Dagmar:

Over-the-air broadcast stops at 13 for VHF.

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Dagmar:

No, it's something you set in mythtv-setup

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achew22:

really...

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Dagmar:

Yes, really.

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psofa:

kormoc, would changing the hd ringbuffer size be worth trying

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psofa:

jams, yes

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kormoc:

psofa, if you are doing HDTV sure

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psofa:

kormoc, lol i though hd had sth to do with hard drives :P

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achew22:

Dagmar: is it per card? or global?

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Dagmar:

It's set per input

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Dagmar:

Dig into the menus. You'll find it.

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isaac_:

anyone know why irw works in mode 2 only?

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isaac_:

irw runs fine only I get no output unless I used mode3

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isaac_:

mode 2 I mean sorry.

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Dagmar:

Those two statements conflict.

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isaac_:

My 2?

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kormoc:

yes

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kormoc:

mode2 is a different program

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isaac_:

oh

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achew22:

Dagmer: what menus?

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isaac_:

I didn't know.

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Dagmar:

achew22: The ones in mythtv-setup that I already mentioned.

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psofa:

jams, are you gonna tell us? ;)

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isaac_:

why does mode2 work and irw does not?

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achew22:

Dagmar: when I go to input connections I go onto the next page and it doesn't have anything relevant to this

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isaac_:

irw runs , but no output.

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Dagmar:

achew22: Yours must be defective then. Reinstall.

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psofa:

isaac_, mode2 shows if your remote gets signals

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Dagmar:

achew22: Maybe after you reinstall you'll have more than one option

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psofa:

isaac_, irw shows if lirc transforms this signals into events

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isaac_:

Ok so My remote is getting signals.

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isaac_:

irw is not transforming them.

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psofa:

isaac_, you need a lircrc file

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Dagmar:

isaac_: ...so if irw isn't saying anything, it's because lirc is hearing/seeing those signals as random jibber-jabber

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achew22:

Dagmar: are you sure your talking about PVR cards?

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jams:

psofa- sorry got distracted

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Dagmar:

achew22: Oh. My mistake. I thought you were talking about hot-air balloons.

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jams:

you will need to edit osd.xml

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jams:

psofa- it's a simple format and shouldn't be to hard to figure out which line you want

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achew22:

Dagmar: there isn't a need for that. I just don't see that — a little more direction would help

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jams:

psofa- which osd are you using?

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psofa:

tivilous

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psofa:

or sth

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psofa:

wheres that file

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Dagmar:

achew22: If you're expecting me to run mythtv-setup over here and find the menu option to set for you, you're going to be very disappointed.

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psofa:

jams, ah found it

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Dagmar:

You set the channel frequency set when you configured the tuners in mythtv-setup

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adante:

does anybody know of a media player which can do timeshift stuff like mythtv? ie playback at 1.x speed while shifting pitch so it sounds normal?

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achew22:

thankyou you still haven't provided me with any more information than you gave me before

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Dagmar:

You're looking to change 'bcast' to 'cable-hrc' or whatever the other one is.

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Dagmar:

Let me repeat: I'm not going to go digging through the menus to find the option for you.

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Dagmar:

Mythtv-setup doesn't have that many pages to flip through.

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psofa:

jams, fademovement="0,6"

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SunTzuTech:

it's in input connections. I'm mucking with that right now...

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UBL:

adante, whats wrong with mythtv?

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psofa:

jams, ah srry found it

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psofa:

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psofa:

nice ty

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SunTzuTech:

damn. I did better the first time out. At least the tv display was static, but I got the channel menu.

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jams:

i thought at one point that was a frontend setting...guess that patch was never applied

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SunTzuTech:

the smarter I think I'm getting about mythtv, the dumber i feel

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adante:

UBL: well i want to use it for playing generic media files not just my tv recordings

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jams:

psofa- did it work for you?

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psofa:

jams, yes

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psofa:

i just commented it out

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psofa:

works fine

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jams:

cool, donavan seems to have removed the theme from his website

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jams:

ah well haven't used it in a while anyhow

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isaac_:

Dagmar, so did I need a lircd.conf file or lircrc like psofa said?

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psofa:

both :)

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isaac_:

lircrc is just to control apps right?

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isaac_:

with remote?

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isaac_:

I think lircd.conf is what I dont have working

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isaac_:

I thought irw displayed raw signals.

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Dagmar:

isaac_: Yes. You need to make/populate that file so that irw actually has an idea of what to look for in the signal

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Dagmar:

The mode2 app is really only good for seeing that it's seeing something.

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Dagmar:

Kind of like the difference between being stone deaf and hearing noises.

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Dagmar:

The rc file lets the remote turn those noises into something like useful sounds (speech)

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Dagmar:

s/remote/lirc driver/

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koshari:

anyone familliar with the dvico remote ?

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isaac_:

Dagmar: Do you have ati remote wonder by any chance?

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koshari:

no, its the dvico fusion lite usb one

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Dagmar:

isaac_: I've got several. Most of which are crap

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isaac_:

You have the one I mentioned?

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koshari:

not the ati

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Dagmar:

Mainly I am working with a reciever from an old Packard Bell set (which I think is wired screwed) and a URC-9660 "One4all" PVR remote

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Dagmar:

I will not use ATI products.

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isaac_:

ok

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koshari:

iam finding it taking longer to figure out lirc than setting up myth!

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Dagmar:

It's more arcane, to be sure.

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isaac_:

Ok iw works. I just had to set up a lircd.conf file and not use the one provided.

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isaac_:

iw=irw

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koshari:

irw gives connect: Connection refused

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Dagmar:

I don't have anything against the _quality_ of ATI products... I just don't like that we have to reverse engineer bloody well everything with them, or wait ages on ATI to give us their precious drivers

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koshari:

i think from reading heaps of posts i need to use >7.2.0 lirc with the dvico..

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koshari:

what dizzys are you guys using"?

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stephelton:

anyone using gentoo and a hauppage 350 card/

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isaac_:

Dagmar: where can I find the keybindings to mythtv's functions?

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isaac_:

Such as select volume down guide ect ect

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metalac:

hey guys

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metalac:

i tried to get my pvr150 to work with ivtv 0.42 and all I got was snow, i upgraded to 0.62 and all I get now is black screen

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metalac:

i get bunch of these "ivtv0: i2c addr 0x21 not found for command 0xc0cc5605!" errors in my dmesg

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metalac:

any idea what might be causing this

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Cardoe:

someone call?

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metalac:

i also get "VIDIOC_S_CTRL:: Invalid argument" in my mythbackend log

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Dagmar:

metalac: What kernel are you using?

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metalac:

2.6.16.16

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Dagmar:

Then you need 0.6.2, period

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metalac:

i do have it

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metalac:

but it won't work correctly

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Dagmar:

"ivtv stable version 0.6.2 released (ChangeLog). This release is for the 2.6.16 kernel ONLY."

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Dagmar:

"ivtv stable version 0.4.5 released (ChangeLog). This is a bug-fix release. This release is for kernels <= 2.6.15 only!"

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metalac:

do i need V4L stuff compiled in or as modules?

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Dagmar:

Do not expect 0.4.2 to work.

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Dagmar:

You need to compile *all* of it as modules

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Dagmar:

None of that should be built into the kernel.

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Dagmar:

All that accomplishes is pain.

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Dagmar:

Go back through, build it all as modules, and then look at what goes into the syslog when you load the modules.l

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metalac:

doing right now

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Cardoe:

ok lemme get this across one more time

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Cardoe:

0.4.5 is broken in general

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Dagmar:

No.

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Cardoe:

2.6.16.15 and higher is broken with 0.6.2

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Cardoe:

Dagmar: yes. Chutt and I have gone over this.

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Dagmar:

Read the ivtvdriver top level page, or what I just pasted from it

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Cardoe:

Dagmar: and listen to the people that write the actual driver

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Dagmar:

Then why have they not updated their own web site?

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Dagmar:

It's a Wiki. It's not like it's hard to update them.

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Cardoe:

I don't feel like it?

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Dagmar:

If you know this, why are you asking?

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Cardoe:

I didn't ask

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Cardoe:

I made a statement

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Cardoe:

a very clear statement

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Dagmar:

Fair enough then

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Cardoe:

0.4.5 has issues with MythTV

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Cardoe:

that's undisputed.

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Cardoe:

Hans insists its something with Myth

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Cardoe:

Isaac insists its something with ivtv

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Cardoe:

whatever it is... people have varying video/audio issues with 0.4.5

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Cardoe:

and Myth

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Cardoe:

0.6.2 doesn't seem to work on 2.6.16.15 and 2.6.16.16

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metalac:

are you sure?

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Dagmar:

Well, it's been working with .18 and .19 at least

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Cardoe:

metalac: You're about the the 100th person TODAY that says all they get is a black screen with 0.6.2 & 2.6.16.16 or 2.6.16.16

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Dagmar:

Ran 24 hours straight on both of those kernels.

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metalac:

ok so i should upgrade

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metalac:

.20 is the latest

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Dagmar:

@#$@

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Cardoe:

no

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Cardoe:

I'd go to 2.6.15

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mchou:

lol

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metalac:

well dagmar says it works on .18 and .19

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Cardoe:

I don't care about Dagmar

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mchou:

ivtv works just dandy here on 2.6.16.19

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metalac:

ahahahaahah

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Cardoe:

He can't tell the difference between a question and a statement.

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Dagmar:

You realize that you're saying the exact opposite from the web page

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Cardoe:

Dagmar: I don't give a shit what the page says

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metalac:

where is the stuff that says that on page?

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Cardoe:

it's been wrong before.

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Dagmar:

http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page

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Cardoe:

hey mchou

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metalac:

i don't see anything about 2.6.16.16 there

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mchou:

hey Cardoe

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Cardoe:

mchou: building a new system :)

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Dagmar:

Of course. It's apparently being kept a secret and used to insult people on IRC

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mchou:

Cardoe: what proc?

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Cardoe:

mchou: you run HEAD or fixes?

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Cardoe:

mchou: still trying to decide.

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mchou:

Cardoe: on what?

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Cardoe:

Sempron is the cheap way...

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Cardoe:

Core Duo is the power way

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mchou:

Cardoe: no, go A64 with collnquiet

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mchou:

cool*

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Cardoe:

and now I'm pondering the Turion

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Cardoe:

that the Turion?

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mchou:

$99 for 3000+ retail and mobo combo

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Cardoe:

hmm

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Cardoe:

SATA II mobo?

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mchou:

nope

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Cardoe:

I already got a HD on the way

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mchou:

SATA I

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mchou:

nforce3

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Cardoe:

ah

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mchou:

Cardoe: why are you considering Turion?

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mchou:

it's more expensive than desktop a64

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Cardoe:

it's apparently low power and cool

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mchou:

and desktop a64 is a mobile proc already :)

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Cardoe:

someone was telling me I can get a Turion and passively cool it

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Cardoe:

I got a Nvidia 7600 GS with passive cooling

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mchou:

my a64 3000+ is 51W TDP

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Cardoe:

Sempron is high 30s

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Cardoe:

and Core Duo is high 20s and low 30s

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mchou:

Cardoe: huh???

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hadees:

anyone using a niveus remote?

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mchou:

Cardoe: what are you smoking?

[02:05:33]

Cardoe:

I got this site

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Cardoe:

that listed them all

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Cardoe:

I swear

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mchou:

Semprons has higher TDP than a64, generally speaking

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mchou:

Cardoe: lol

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mchou:

Cardoe: that site is wrong

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mchou:

Cardoe: go to the AMD site, they'll set you straight

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mchou:

Cardoe: "compare processors"

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Cardoe:

hrm

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Cardoe:

it was the mobile Sempron

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mchou:

Cardoe: and I can get away with passively cooling my a64

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Cardoe:

Turion MT is 25W

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mchou:

90% of the time the HSF aint on

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mchou:

Cardoe: of course Turions have lower TDP. That wasnt the "issue"

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Cardoe:

HSF?

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mchou:

the 10% that it is on is only when I'm playing games

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mchou:

Cardoe: Heat sink/fan

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Cardoe:

oh

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mchou:

Cardoe: run powernow in linux and you'd be good to go.

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Cardoe:

http://www.techpowerup.com/cpudb/?manufacture . . . amp;package=

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mchou:

Cardoe: look for a mobo that's been cool'nquiet certified

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mchou:

Cardoe: where do you see 30 TDP anywhere on that page?

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Cardoe:

scroll to mobile

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mchou:

dude, I already said mobile was lower. I was talking about desktop procs

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mchou:

Cardoe: page is lame anyways. Wont even let me go to the mobile page on Firefox

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mchou:

Cardoe: and intel TDP and AMD TDP are apples to oranges

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mchou:

Intel TDP is "Typical," not "maximum" like AMDs

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Cardoe:

it says that?

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opello:

not to pick nits, but the page doesn't have an anchor named 'AMD Mobile' which is why you can't 'go to that page'

[02:19:29]

mchou:

in other words, intel's numbers are artificially low

[02:19:50]

opello:

have to enable the 'amd mobile' section :)

[02:19:58]

mchou:

opello: well, you have to select the drop down box apparently

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mchou:

opello: pretty bad web design

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opello:

or pick the top one ... yeah, it is

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Cardoe:

mchou: socket 939 or 754?

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mchou:

Cardoe: doesnt matter really. your pref

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mchou:

at least not for myth :)

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mchou:

only reall diff bet 939 vs. 754 is dual channel mem support

[02:23:38]

mchou:

that hardly matters on a myth machine

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mchou:

there have been rumors there will be a longer life span for 754

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mchou:

AMD is on a quick march to M2

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Cardoe:

AM2 no?

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Cardoe:

man... why does no one make a board I want

[02:28:06]

Cardoe:

I don't want GeForce 6100

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mchou:

Cardoe: whatever they call it these days

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metalac:

what do you want?

[02:28:09]

Cardoe:

I want NForce4

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metalac:

nfroce4 for 754?

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Cardoe:

I don't want no stinking on board graphics

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mchou:

there are plenty of nf4 and nf3 boards w/o graphics

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Cardoe:

micro ATX

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mchou:

all around $60, give or take $10

[02:30:15]

Cardoe:

microATX & SATA 3gb/s (aka SATA 2)

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Led-Hed:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . mp;maxPrice=

[02:30:37]

Led-Hed:

all NF4 without 6100 (onboard Video)

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Cardoe:

Led-Hed: those are ATX

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Cardoe:

not MicroATX

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Led-Hed:

oh

[02:31:07]

Led-Hed:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813188007

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Cardoe:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . mp;maxPrice=

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abarbaccia:

hey all – anybody here using a DVB card that can help me out with HD in the US?

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Cardoe:

I guess I'll go with an ATX board

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mchou:

Cardoe: why you'd want micro-atx is beyond me

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Cardoe:

probably MSI

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Cardoe:

mchou: why not?

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Cardoe:

eats up less room in the case

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Led-Hed:

really depends on what case you plan to use

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mchou:

Cardoe: there is like 1 pci slot on a m-atx board

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Led-Hed:

does it have to be NF4?

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mchou:

Cardoe: if they are talking SLI for graphics w/ m-atx

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mchou:

and pci-e

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Cardoe:

Led-Hed: SATA II

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Led-Hed:

thats the requirement?

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mchou:

nforce4 doesnt have sata 2

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Led-Hed:

yes it does

[02:36:07]

mchou:

Led-Hed: nf4 chipset itself does not

[02:36:34]

mchou:

Led-Hed: it'd would have to be another sata2 chip on the mobo

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mchou:

you want sata2 wait for the next gen of mobos

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Cardoe:

SATA 3gb/s

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Cardoe:

look at all the boards with that

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Cardoe:

Nforce410

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Led-Hed:

http://us.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/Products/ . . . 0Pro-SLI.htm

[02:38:21]

Led-Hed:

no mention of 3rd party chip.

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metalac:

sata2 makes no difference though

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metalac:

who cares if it can push 300mbps when drives can barely do 100mbps

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Led-Hed:

go to the drivers section, there is no SATA2 drivers except for nVidia drivers.

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Led-Hed:

metalac: agreed, SATA-II isnt fully utilized at this time, no real benefit over SATA-I except maybe in a Large RAID configuration

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mchou:

Led-Hed: no mention doesnt mean there arent any. Look at the chip next to the sata plugs right here: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/82403/gigabyte-gak8n-prosli.html#

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mchou:

blow up the picture

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Led-Hed:

there arent any drivers for a 3dr party SATA chipset

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mchou:

lol

[02:45:13]

mchou:

that's cause it talks SATA.

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mchou:

i.e. a spec

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Led-Hed:

look at the images from newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?I . . . d+%2D+Retail

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mchou:

here is a better pic: http://3btech.net/gigaprso939w.html

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Led-Hed:

no chip

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mchou:

Silicon Image SATA II controller

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metalac:

ok cut it out with hardware talk and back to mythtv ;)

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Led-Hed:

3114?

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metalac:

i still got issues even after upgrade to kernel 2.6.16.19

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mchou:

plain as night and day

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m13a8:

on my hauppauge pvr150, i have the ivtv drivers/module/whatever installed, loaded the modules, but when i run "lspci -v" the tv card doesn't show up, anybody know what's going on?

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mchou:

m13a8: that means it's not fully inserted in the slot or is broken

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Led-Hed:

agreed that image does show that there is a SI3114 chip but thats for 8 sata connections.

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m13a8:

it might be a little loose in the slot...let's hope cuz i just bought this card :(

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metalac:

well i see mine

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metalac:

but drivers for it won't work

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metalac:

i still have that i2c addr 0x21 not found for command error

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Led-Hed:

read the specs here then look at the images. No SI 3114, and SATA 3.0

[02:49:37]

Led-Hed:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128301

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mchou:

Led-Hed: only nforce >= ultra have sata2 support.

[02:52:38]

mchou:

plain nf4 does not

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Led-Hed:

that may be true

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Led-Hed:

I didnt know we were talking about a specific version of NF4. My Bad

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Led-Hed:

I've only ever owned the SLI and Ultra chipsets

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Led-Hed:

just curious, whats wrong with the 6100?

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mchou:

Led-Hed: yup. np

[02:54:28]

mchou:

Led-Hed: but I regret any of my PCI-e purchases

[02:54:39]

Led-Hed:

why is that?

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mchou:

Led-Hed: still havent put them to good use

[02:54:55]

Led-Hed:

ahh

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mishehu:

mchou: give them to me

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Led-Hed:

lol

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mishehu:

I'll make good use of pci-e's

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mchou:

mishehu: with what?

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mishehu:

hell, I already am. areca pcie sata 300 raid controller, vid cards, etc.

[02:55:34]

mchou:

mishehu: convince me and your wish just might be granted

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Led-Hed:

PCI-E is overrated. It hasn't shown any real advantage over AGP as of yet, just in theory

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metalac:

so somebody had a similar problem and they solved it by doing a cold boot and waiting 30s

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metalac:

i did same thing but no help

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Cardoe:

mchou: you use fixes or head?

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mchou:

mishehu: lol

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mchou:

Cardoe: what code are you talking about?

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mchou:

mishehu: you dont use sli for vid card?

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Cardoe:

mythtv

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mchou:

Cardoe: fixes

[02:56:55]

mishehu:

mchou: nah, I am not rich enough to own that many cards for my machines

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Cardoe:

got a stable build #?

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mchou:

nope

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mishehu:

mchou: I have a dual proc capable opteron mobo here with only one dual core chip in it...

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Cardoe:

mchou: it's not stable for oyu?

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mchou:

it's plenty stable for me.

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mchou:

I just dont have the #

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Cardoe:

mchou: what svn changeset #

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Cardoe:

oh

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mishehu:

myth's pretty stable for me, hte hardware it's running on is another story (older athlon barton xp 3200)

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mishehu:

and I really wish I could figure out how to run both an irblaster and an sblive remote on the same box.

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** Led-Hed loves Bartons **

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mishehu:

Led-Hed: love them for what, burning things with them?

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Led-Hed:

Barton + NF2 Mobo = Best bang for the buck

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mchou:

making coffee

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mishehu:

turn one on, and you can use it to brand your cattle

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metalac:

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[02:59:22]

metalac:

finally got it to work :)

[02:59:24]

mchou:

Led-Hed: huh??

[02:59:29]

mishehu:

Led-Hed: no, five dolla sucky sucky is best bang for buck

[02:59:40]

Led-Hed:

hell no. I have a Barton 3200 running stable for 3 years now as 2500 on air

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metalac:

now to make it do 16:9 :)

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mchou:

Led-Hed: a64 + any mobo is best bang for buck

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mishehu:

yeah, I agree with mchou

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Led-Hed:

mchou: only as of rescently

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Cardoe:

hrm

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mchou:

Led-Hed: considering the utility bill you'd save over barton

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Cardoe:

1000mhz fsb?

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Led-Hed:

lol

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mishehu:

Led-Hed: how recent is recently? I've had mine for over a year now

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Cardoe:

or 800 ok?

[03:00:21]

Cardoe:

what's the diff procs?

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mishehu:

I wouldn't buy a64 if there wasn't good bang for buck.

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Led-Hed:

all my frontends are NF2 + Barton or Duron Applebred

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Led-Hed:

quiet and low power.

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mchou:

Led-Hed: show us you electric bill and we will talk :)

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Led-Hed:

no heat issues.

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mishehu:

Led-Hed: hell, if I could somehow fit an sblive audigy 2zs platinum in a mini itx, I'd use a c7 esther for a front end.

[03:01:15]

Led-Hed:

mine only use 1.2 w

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mishehu:

low power, passively cooled.

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Led-Hed:

underclocked them

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Led-Hed:

no noise

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Led-Hed:

and run myth just fine

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mishehu:

I'd still prefer epia c7 for a front end

[03:02:17]

mishehu:

the back end would have to be a more substantial box though.

[03:02:29]

mchou:

Led-Hed: a64 comes with dynamic underclocking in the form of powernow :)

[03:02:34]

Led-Hed:

I have a Mini-ITX for my firewall. But havent tried to run Myth on it yet

[03:03:02]

mchou:

Led-Hed: no need to perma-underclock

[03:03:02]

Led-Hed:

mchou: exactly, I just did the same thing with Barton. Only its not dynamic.

[03:03:27]

Led-Hed:

lower utility bills. ;p

[03:03:45]

Led-Hed:

not really, I do it for noise

[03:04:06]

Cardoe:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . mp;maxPrice=

[03:04:11]

Cardoe:

too many freaking Asus boards

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** Led-Hed hates Asus **

[03:04:38]

Cardoe:

Deluxe, Premium, Regular, 32 Regular, 32 Deluxe, 32 Premium

[03:04:41]

Cardoe:

Led-Hed: why?

[03:04:56]

Led-Hed:

cheap Caps

[03:05:11]

mchou:

Led-Hed: huh??

[03:05:35]

Dagmar:

Strange that they overclock so well then

[03:05:37]

Led-Hed:

All the Applebreds are running at 1.0v 10x multiplier and 100mhz FSB

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mchou:

Led-Hed: my asus uses Rubycon and Sanyo

[03:05:56]

mchou:

These are NOT cheap caps

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Led-Hed:

mchou: Last 3 Asus boards I've had all died with busted Caps

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Cardoe:

hrm

[03:06:06]

Cardoe:

nForce 550?

[03:06:08]

Cardoe:

wtf is that

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MonMotha:

Led-Hed: my solution is to replace the caps

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Led-Hed:

new AM2 Socket?

[03:06:28]

mchou:

that's the latest and greatest chipset

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mishehu:

probably has a huge hsf on it too, worse than the nf4?

[03:07:11]

Led-Hed:

MonMotha: All of them. That takes some time. Why not just buy a board with good ones to start with

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mchou:

of all my mobos only Asus uses high quality caps

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mishehu:

I've not had any busted caps on asus boards

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mchou:

Giga-byte too

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abarbaccia:

hey all, how do people figure out what HD channels are available to them?

[03:07:43]

MonMotha:

Led-Hed: because you generally don't now what caps they'll be using on a particular run of the boards

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mishehu:

I did have one that the nforce4 fried

[03:07:52]

mishehu:

when their shitty fan stopped working

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MonMotha:

it takes me about 30 minutes to replace the dead caps on your average motherboard

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Led-Hed:

mchou: cant say the same here. But each to his own. If Asus works for you then great. I just havent had good luck with them

[03:08:08]

Cardoe:

what do you guys think of Biostar?

[03:08:08]

MonMotha:

about $15 for the caps on average, including shipping

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MonMotha:

abarbaccia: terrestrial or cable? USA or elsewhere

[03:08:26]

Cardoe:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138026

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abarbaccia:

MonMotha: USA

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Cardoe:

Biostar board with AM2

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MonMotha:

abarbaccia: cable or OTA?

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mchou:

MonMotha: and about another 3 hrs to track down the proper caps :)

[03:08:52]

mchou:

MonMotha: low esr and shit

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** Led-Hed likes Biostar for a inexpensive board **

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abarbaccia:

MonMotha: cable – i have a DVB card and have the drivers loaded – i did the scan and everything – i got hte channels.conf file

[03:09:18]

MonMotha:

I couldn't get MythTV to import that thing, even though it should be able to

[03:09:20]

abarbaccia:

i just can't play the channels and have like 275 channels it found

[03:09:22]

mchou:

Led-Hed: hehe, some biostar boards are made by ecs

[03:09:29]

MonMotha:

yeah, most of them are probably encrypted

[03:09:34]

Led-Hed:

mchou: really?

[03:09:40]

Cardoe:

ecs = bad?

[03:09:42]

mchou:

Led-Hed: no joke

[03:09:44]

Led-Hed:

yes

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abarbaccia:

MonMotha: right they are from the cable company – just regular digital channels – how do i find which are HD channels I can use

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mchou:

Led-Hed: lemme find link

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Cardoe:

so steer clear basicaly?

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MonMotha:

you can try a full scan in mythtv-setup, but it didn't find anything for me

[03:10:09]

Led-Hed:

I didnt know that. All the Biostars I've owned are still in operation

[03:10:13]

MonMotha:

abarbaccia: pull the MPEG stream and query it for resolution

[03:10:21]

MonMotha:

and hope your cableco has correct PSIP info

[03:10:29]

abarbaccia:

MonMotha: what's PSIP?

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MonMotha:

it's the table that associates "channels" with MPEG TS PIDs

[03:11:04]

MonMotha:

in theory, it'll have station identification, as well

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abarbaccia:

how do i figure that out

[03:11:11]

MonMotha:

so a scan

[03:11:18]

MonMotha:

mythtv-setup has a scan option. use it

[03:12:04]

MonMotha:

you may have to add the transports yourself. You can use the frequencies from channels.conf and then thell mythtv-setup to do a scan of existing transports, which worked for me

[03:12:49]

mchou:

Led-Hed: http://www.biostar.com.tw/products/mainboard/ . . . me=NF325-A7#

[03:13:23]

Led-Hed:

where does it say its bade by ECS?

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mchou:

Led-Hed: gimme one sec

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Led-Hed:

oh

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Dagmar:

ECS has been making the hardware for other companies for about 3x as long as they've been putting their own brand on stuff.

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mchou:

Led-Hed: http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Products/Product . . . &LanID=0

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m13a8:

i'm sorry if this h ave been asked 400094587349 times, but how do i change the default channel? because when i try to tune to tv, the screen flashes back then back to the menu and the backend says the default channel doesn't exist

[03:14:27]

Dagmar:

It's still all pretty much borderline equipment. It might *work*, but it's not something you expect to keep working forever or in a hostile environment

[03:14:29]

mchou:

Led-Hed: BIOS is interchangable too :)

[03:14:40]

Cardoe:

BIOSTAR TFORCE 550 ATX

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Cardoe:

is that made by ECS?

[03:14:50]

Led-Hed:

no biggie. I dont won that particular board.

[03:15:21]

mchou:

Led-Hed: yeah, but that's not the point :)

[03:15:27]

Led-Hed:

agreed

[03:15:47]

Led-Hed:

I'll do a little more research before I buy another Biostar.

[03:15:56]

mchou:

Led-Hed: hehe

[03:16:02]

Dagmar:

ECS makes PCChips' boards. That should be a warning sign right there

[03:16:04]

Led-Hed:

they have been good boards so far.

[03:16:30]

** Led-Hed prefers Abit,Epox,Gigabyte **

[03:16:51]

Led-Hed:

though I havent had an Epox in a while

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Cardoe:

I've had some good MSI boards

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Dagmar:

I like my MSI-6712.

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mchou:

Dagmar: there is nothing wrong with ecs these days. They are targeted at the value (non overclocking) consumer. Still use cheap caps, but they last for at least 3 yrs

[03:19:28]

Dagmar:

It's been running 24/7 for like, four years or so now

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mchou:

I dont think they are any worse than foxconn

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Cardoe:

well I've narrowed it down to 6 Mobos

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Cardoe:

5 are Socket 939

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Cardoe:

1 is AM2

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mchou:

and foxconn make stuff for dell and hp and whatnot

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Dagmar:

I don't think Am2 is going to turn out to be terribly cost-effective right now

[03:20:30]

Cardoe:

1 Biostar, 2 Gigabyte, 1 eVGA, and 2 MSI

[03:21:12]

Cardoe:

104 for a 3000+ AM2

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Dagmar:

You're kidding, right?

[03:22:11]

Dagmar:

Who's selling those for that little?

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Cardoe:

newegg

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Dagmar:

DAmn they are evil

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Cardoe:

I think it's actually cheaper then the 939 socket

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Dagmar:

I can tell you it is

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Dagmar:

I've been pricing them the last three days

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Cardoe:

yep

[03:24:07]

Cardoe:

it's cheaper then the 939

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Cardoe:

so

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Cardoe:

Biostar with nForce 550 & 3000+ AM2 processor

[03:24:41]

Cardoe:

the proc is $104 and the board is $85

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Dagmar:

Slower bus tho is something I'd want to look into tho

[03:25:11]

Cardoe:

slower bus?

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Cardoe:

it's still 1000mhz HT

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Dagmar:

The 939's go at 2000Mhz instead of the 1600Mhz the Am2's NewEgg has

[03:26:16]

Cardoe:

er

[03:26:16]

Cardoe:

no

[03:26:26]

Cardoe:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138026

[03:26:45]

Cardoe:

that's what I'm thinking about

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Dagmar:

Holy crap

[03:27:06]

Dagmar:

Dude, $104 isn't the cost of the chip.

[03:27:11]

Dagmar:

It's the cost of the chip PLUS the board

[03:27:19]

Dagmar:

I was wondering why I was seeing $77 for the chips

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Led-Hed:

DDR2 on the nVidia boards is a joke

[03:27:24]

Dagmar:

That's a nice deal

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Cardoe:

Led-Hed: ?

[03:27:35]

Led-Hed:

not any faster than DDR

[03:27:41]

Cardoe:

Dagmar: no... 104 is the chip cost

[03:28:09]

Led-Hed:

Cardoe: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/23/amd_reinvents_itself/

[03:28:11]

Dagmar:

Cardoe: Doh. You're right. Shopping cart laughed at me

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Led-Hed:

have fun reading all 62 pages

[03:29:14]

Dagmar:

Cardoe: Lemme suggest this board if you're on the fence about which chip to get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813157081

[03:29:31]

Dagmar:

You can get an addon board for it that will handle the AM2's, and it has a 939-pin socket on the board

[03:29:41]

Dagmar:

I've been kind of brutal on mine so far

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Led-Hed:

asrock?

[03:29:50]

Dagmar:

Yep

[03:30:00]

Led-Hed:

never heard of them

[03:30:08]

Dagmar:

Asus spun them off actually.

[03:30:29]

Led-Hed:

Oh god, a cheaper version of Asus

[03:30:49]

Dagmar:

This board is just freaky. Upgradable to a crazy degree.

[03:30:49]

Dagmar:

Actually it was getting very good reviews, even on the overclocker sites.

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Led-Hed:

Uli chipset?

[03:30:53]

Dagmar:

Yeah

[03:31:05]

** Led-Hed passes on that one **

[03:31:06]

Dagmar:

Which is apparently a good chipset since nVidia rather hurriedly bought them up

[03:31:28]

mchou:

Led-Hed: there is nothing wrong with ULi

[03:31:34]

Dagmar:

There's nothing wrong with the ULi chipset

[03:31:43]

Dagmar:

The 2.6.x kernels support it fine

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Dagmar:

The SATA2 chip on the board is still flagged experimental (iirc) but that's about it

[03:32:24]

mchou:

In fact ULi vey good bang for buck

[03:32:28]

mchou:

very*

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Led-Hed:

I'll spend $67 on a nForce instead

[03:33:12]

mchou:

but I wouldnt get an a64 board w/o integrated firewire :)

[03:33:23]

Led-Hed:

SLI and Budget board dont make sense

[03:33:36]

** Led-Hed loves ieee1394 **

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mchou:

FW 800 baby!

[03:34:06]

Led-Hed:

I'm not a big fan of intrigrated motherboards, but thats the way things are going.

[03:34:38]

Led-Hed:

dont really need more than 1 or 2 slots unless its a server board

[03:34:47]

mchou:

Led-Hed: bullshit

[03:35:05]

mchou:

My mythbox has all slots loaded

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Led-Hed:

speaking of. I'm looking at setting up Dual Xeon Dempseys (2x Dual Core)

[03:35:53]

Led-Hed:

mchou: Mine too. 4x PVR-250 and 3Ware RAID controller. But its a server not a desktop

[03:36:43]

Led-Hed:

mchou: what do you have in it? other than Video card?

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Cardoe:

I think I'm gonna go with this biostar board.

[03:37:59]

Cardoe:

the Nforce 550

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Led-Hed:

cool, let me know how it works out

[03:38:27]

mchou:

firewire, 3x pvr150, vid card, ide controller

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Led-Hed:

keep in mind that NF5 uses a different Socket. Socket = AM2 940pin

[03:38:47]

Cardoe:

Led-Hed: yes

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Cardoe:

Gonna get a 3000+ chip

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m13a8:

in the program guide, every channel is shifted one. it thinks channel 10 is channel 11, 40 is 41, etc... anybody have an idead what's wrong with this?

[03:39:01]

Led-Hed:

mchou: and thats not a server?

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Cardoe:

it's $104 for the chip if I buy it with the board from Newegg

[03:39:29]

Cardoe:

Led-Hed: the AM2 might not have been necessary but that's where stuff is going

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Led-Hed:

Cardoe: did you read that toms hardware link I posted?

[03:39:45]

Cardoe:

parts of it

[03:39:51]

Cardoe:

should it talk me out of that board?

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Led-Hed:

not sure. do you plan to overclock?

[03:40:41]

Cardoe:

no

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** Led-Hed gut feeling is that this chipset will be replaced quickley much like the NF3 **

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Cardoe:

when they go to 65nm?

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Led-Hed:

thats the way of things. More cpu's per wafer, lower cost

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Cardoe:

yeah

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Led-Hed:

AM2 is their first go of it.

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Cardoe:

they're 90nm

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Led-Hed:

humm?

[03:43:43]

Led-Hed:

so they are.

[03:43:59]

Led-Hed:

I was under the impression that the AM2's would be on the new die

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Dagmar:

They probably will in time

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Led-Hed:

I wonder if the 65nm chips will have higher clock rates?

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Cardoe:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128301

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Cardoe:

apparently the Gigabyte network chip isn't supported in Linux

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hi2:

yo

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hi2:

is there a way to autoexpire epsiodes when it reaching an episode limit

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MonMotha:

hi2: one of the episode limit options is to delete the oldest before recording the new one

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hi2:

oh cool

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hi2:

in setting right? i'll have to check that

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hi2:

thanks

[04:01:02]

hi2:

6/6/6

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Led-Hed:

Cardoe: same goes for the Epox variant

[04:05:45]

Cardoe:

Led-Hed: ?

[04:05:51]

Led-Hed:

ya?

[04:06:04]

Cardoe:

I haven't been looking at any Epox boards

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Led-Hed:

I just noticed that it also has the same Network chip

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Led-Hed:

no if you are shopping around keep that in mind

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Cardoe:

oh

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Cardoe:

the Marvell GigE don't work in Linux yet

[04:07:17]

Cardoe:

nor do the Cicadi (spelling) chips

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Led-Hed:

the Marvels dont?

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Led-Hed:

I was considering getting a board with the Marvel chip.

[04:08:17]

Led-Hed:

good to know

[04:08:32]

Led-Hed:

My Intel and Broadcom chips work great

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Cardoe:

MSI > Biostar quality wise?

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Led-Hed:

Not in my experience. About the same

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janneg:

Cardoe: nforce4 gigabyte boards with cicada phy work with linux

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Led-Hed:

MSI has a better site for support and BIOS updates

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Cardoe:

oh

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Cardoe:

janneg: what driver?

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Cardoe:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130049

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janneg:

Cardoe: nforce on this board: http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboa . . . 8NF9%20Ultra

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mchou:

Cardoe: the marvell and Cicada Phys are supported in linux afaik

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Cardoe:

mchou: not the gige

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Cardoe:

for marvell

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Cardoe:

unless support was just added

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Cardoe:

my PPC board has one

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mchou:

no, marvell gigE is supported

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mchou:

sk98 provides appropriatesupport for gigE

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mchou:

Cardoe: you STILL using 2.4 kernel? :)

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Cardoe:

heh

[04:28:19]

Cardoe:

no

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Cardoe:

janneg: newegg doesn't have that board. :(

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alieas:

I think I finally got the pcHDTV HD-5500 drivers installed correctly. I can lock onto a signal with "dtvsignal 17", but dtvscan doesn't give me anything (no way to export to xine-hd)

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bevege:

I just need a little help with adding channels

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Dagmar:

Slowly but surely... Almost have a complete set of MythTV packages for Slackware now

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Dibblah:

stuarta: Here?

[08:40:20]

Dibblah:

If so, did you ever get the HD test broadcast working?

[08:40:50]

Dibblah:

Note to self: Check user list before asking if someone is here :)

[08:41:08]

thermite:

/names

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thermite:

(Note to Dibblah)

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thermite:

:)

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alieas:

looks like xine-hd wasn't compiling due to gcc4 being to picky...

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thermite:

GCC4 is still crap, wait another year.

[09:56:02]

alieas:

damn.. it still didn't work under gcc32

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Juski:

good moaning

[09:57:01]

stuarta:

morning Juski

[09:57:22]

stuarta:

this might cheer you up -> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060605142442771

[09:57:49]

Merlin83b2:

Morning Juski

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[10:01:20]

Juski:

cheer me up? I'm v. happy today :-)

[10:01:54]

stuarta:

well it's interesting. a uk gov department coming up with the correct answers on DRM

[10:02:29]

Juski:

I read about that yesterday. quite shocking really. a govt dept. doing the _right_ thing for a change?!

[10:02:37]

alieas:

can anyone tell me how I can log make errors to a file so I can analyze it?

[10:02:48]

stuarta:

tee

[10:03:17]

Juski:

milk, one sugar thanks

[10:03:33]

stuarta:

no milk. 1.5 sugars

[10:04:08]

alieas:

no?

[10:04:19]

alieas:

make >> make.log, doesn't grab errors

[10:04:22]

Juski:

alieas: the _tee_ option

[10:04:23]

stuarta:

alieas: seriously -> make 2>&1 | tee logfile

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[10:04:46]

stuarta:

the 2>&1 is important

[10:05:01]

alieas:

nice thankx

[10:05:31]

Juski:

I usually just make a nice big scrollback buffer instead

[10:05:38]

** stuarta now fancies a cup of tea... **

[10:05:45]

Juski:

but I'll keep that one in mind :-)

[10:06:05]

Dibblah:

stuarta: Did you ever get the HD transmissions working properly for you?

[10:06:16]

Dibblah:

Morning, BTW :)

[10:07:32]

alieas:

scrollback buffer thats a good idea too. hey that DRM stuff is great to see too btw

[10:08:08]

stuarta:

morning Dibblah, ffmpeg still craps out on the test TX I have, but todays mplayer svn doesn't die. will see what it looks like when I get home

[10:09:00]

stuarta:

Juski: i do quite like groklaw, the interpret all of the various court judgements for us non lawyers.

[10:12:02]

alieas:

when you run 'make' a second time after it errors out, it picks up were it left off.. correct?

[10:12:10]

Juski:

stuarta: cool.. bookmarked!

[10:12:18]

thermite:

Juski: scrollback buffer?

[10:12:29]

Juski:

alieas: so long as you fixed what was wrong, yeh

[10:12:30]

stuarta:

especially the ongoing SCO saga.. :-)

[10:12:43]

Juski:

thermite: I use putty

[10:12:57]

thermite:

putty for what, irssi?

[10:13:16]

Juski:

for all terminal duties

[10:13:26]

thermite:

Juski: yeah

[10:13:44]

** stuarta is happy linux is his desktop **

[10:13:54]

thermite:

stuarta: indeed

[10:14:14]

thermite:

openssh

[10:14:30]

Juski:

show me a decent video editor on linux.. I mean _really_ good & I'll put linux on my desktop

[10:14:33]

stuarta:

once a week I have to use winbloze to do the timesheet :(

[10:14:46]

thermite:

Juski: you sound like a mac user

[10:15:03]

Juski:

nah I'm just serious about video editing

[10:15:09]

thermite:

Juski: "desktop"

[10:15:10]

Juski:

and audio editing come to that

[10:15:11]

stuarta:

Juski: have you tried projectx interactively?

[10:15:14]

Merlin83b2:

What do you use, Juski?

[10:15:32]

Juski:

sony vegas. premiere is too slow & ungainly

[10:15:34]

** stuarta tries to remember the audio one (think it's audacity) **

[10:15:48]

Juski:

stuarta: there's 'editing' (cutting) and there's _editing_

[10:16:09]

thermite:

Juski: face the fact, we all do, if you're a real geek, you have one of every system running

[10:16:12]

stuarta:

_editing_ as in *authoring*

[10:16:30]

Juski:

stuarta: editing, compositing, effects... for both audio & video

[10:16:36]

alieas:

heh, so now I just go into the .c file and comment out the lines that are troublesome, right?

[10:17:16]

stuarta:

nope, you go and fix what is wrong with those lines the compiler is complaining about

[10:17:31]

Juski:

if you want it to ever work ^^^

[10:17:41]

thermite:

heh

[10:17:49]

stuarta:

if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces

[10:17:52]

thermite:

all my computers that run linux work

[10:18:13]

thermite:

the others run themselves into the ground

[10:18:35]

Dibblah:

stuarta: Latest mails on the DVB ML seem to be saying that even dvbscan is getting it wrong for those mplexes.

[10:19:03]

Juski:

if you have a look in www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/videos – then show me a video editing program in linux that can do all that & doesn't need a farm of opterons...

[10:19:16]

stuarta:

I think that's because it's got different stream id's for audio & video to normal dvb

[10:19:20]

Dibblah:

http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2006-June/010712.html

[10:19:28]

thermite:

Juski: separate that from real world situations

[10:19:35]

Merlin83b2:

I'm a Premiere user at the moment, Juski.

[10:19:36]

stuarta:

Dibblah: I'm subscribed :)

[10:19:40]

Dibblah:

:)

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[10:19:55]

alieas:

xine-lib-1.1.1-patched – would I going down the wrong path even looking at this 'video_out_xxmc.c' file that started the first error during 'make' ?

[10:20:04]

Juski:

thermite: I'm just speaking from my perspective. like I'm a heretic for thinking that I don't care what's OSS & what isn't, so long as it works

[10:20:27]

thermite:

Juski: not at all

[10:21:04]

Dibblah:

I don't like non-OSS. Specifically, the nvidia driver. I'm seeing 100% CPU with opengl vsync, and can't track it down with oprofile since there's no symbols.

[10:21:07]

thermite:

Juski: just why i'm saying we geeks have 9+ computers and one doesn't run linux

[10:21:17]

Juski:

ah

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[10:21:35]

Juski:

it's more out of necessity than anything else in my case though ;-)

[10:21:40]

Dibblah:

Only 9? <looks around> Uhoh.

[10:21:58]

thermite:

9+ ;)

[10:22:17]

Dibblah:

I've only got 12 in active use.

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Juski:

3 linux machines (soon to be 4 when I fixing hacking the s100), wife's win2k laptop & my xp desktop box... oh I forgot the xbox

[10:23:15]

thermite:

keep forgetting the xbox

[10:23:36]

Juski:

thinking of going debian on this new toy o mine

[10:23:45]

** stuarta only has 2. this beast & 5yr old laptop **

[10:25:28]

Juski:

dying to get cracking with the cracking

[10:28:16]

Juski:

jees man these seagates go like _stink_ !

[10:29:13]

stuarta:

the big puppies?

[10:29:20]

Merlin83b:

Did the s100 arrive, Juski?

[10:29:49]

Merlin83b:

I'm guessing no.

[10:30:11]

Juski:

oh it did... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/s100/

[10:30:20]

Merlin83b:

Ooh

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Juski:

testing 320GB disks at the mo stuarta

[10:30:47]

Merlin83b:

Heh, and the first thing you did was open it up :-)

[10:30:48]

Juski:

today I'll be adding the xtra ide connector & fitting the vga socket t' case

[10:31:31]

Merlin83b:

Was going to ask about that.

[10:31:44]

Merlin83b:

Has 1 IDE in there already?

[10:31:47]

Juski:

spent _hours_ trying to get into the bios to stop it booting CE.. then found out the front panel uses the ps2 keyboard connections too... infact the IR receiver is mapped to keypresses

[10:31:57]

Merlin83b:

Heh, cool.

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Juski:

front panel needs resprayed already.. got scuffed in the bag I brought it to work in :-/ should've put the mains lead somewhere else

[10:32:58]

Merlin83b:

Oops

[10:33:11]

Merlin83b:

I think I'll be booting off a USB stick if it'll do that.

[10:33:12]

Juski:

but I'd planned to do that anyway – respray it to take the t-online crap off

[10:33:26]

Juski:

got it loading DSL from a USB stick already

[10:33:34]

Merlin83b:

Excellent.

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Merlin83b:

Know if it'll do PXE?

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Juski:

next step will be to actually get it doing something _useful

[10:35:42]

Juski:

I think it'll do PXE yeah

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Merlin83b:

Then sod the USB stick :-)

[10:35:56]

Juski:

didn't spend much time looking in the BIOS

[10:36:15]

Merlin83b:

What's your overall plan for it – USB stick, mfe?

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Juski:

I'll get it working, then mess about with PXE

[10:36:53]

Juski:

mythfrontend is the object of the whole exercise

[10:37:48]

Juski:

there's already a gentoo based package where the TV out works & everything but they keep it passworded. need to contact someone to let me have that

[10:37:52]

Merlin83b:

So storageless, PXE booting mfe is the end goal?

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Juski:

abso-diddly-lutely

[10:38:39]

Juski:

the PSU is totally passive so it won't really sustain a HDD anyway by the look of it

[10:38:45]

Merlin83b:

I look forward to it :-)

[10:39:06]

Merlin83b:

Yeah, could well be true. That said, mine is an external brick and is running 2 hdds, 2 tuners...

[10:39:16]

Merlin83b:

But it was designed with that in mind where the one in the s100 won't have been.

[10:39:25]

Juski:

yes but that's a very efficient PSU

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Juski:

we're about to start using external bricks & internal DC-DC (ATX) converters – they're brilliant

[10:40:18]

Juski:

I want to use the box as unchanged as possible

[10:40:48]

Juski:

(keeps the cost way down too)

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Juski:

real SCART tv out though (drool)

[10:41:19]

Merlin83b:

Yeah, gotta love that.

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Merlin83b:

I hope you finish soon. I will then be hitting eBay :-)

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Juski:

I'm already watching 2 more of these things

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Merlin83b:

Heh, why more?

[10:42:04]

Juski:

why not?

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Juski:

there's a few more things I'd like to try.. like soldering a PCI socket onto the board & putting a tuner in there (with a better PSU of course)

[10:43:36]

Juski:

with a dual dvb-t tuner, HDD...

[10:43:41]

Juski:

mythtv STB !!

[10:44:52]

** Juski wonders if a topfield pvr would run linux... **

[10:45:51]

Juski:

actually there's a dvb-t dreambox in the works apparently

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alieas:

has anyone here compiled xine-hd ?>

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alieas:

oh well... guess I'll give it another crack tommorow. I did actually get 'getatsc' to record some OTA HD data today tho. :) was able to play it in mplayer although it was choppy as hell... still made some progress

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alieas:

thanks for the help, juski, all

[11:04:40]

Dagmar:

Man the fftw library is bitchy about arch types

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Beirdo:

raining in paradise again this morning

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Beirdo:

heya, bjohnson

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bjohnson:

hi

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bjohnson:

how's it going?

[12:19:07]

Beirdo:

pretty damned good :)

[12:19:30]

Beirdo:

the wife is off to work, time for me to play before completing my list of tasks about the house :)

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Beirdo:

first thing I want to do is make a bootable OpenBSD CD for this Ultra5 so I can install

[12:20:17]

Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

how's the weather in Ontario these days?

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bjohnson:

Beirdo: slightly hot

[12:25:45]

bjohnson:

and typically muggy

[12:25:55]

Beirdo:

ahh. :)

[12:26:00]

Beirdo:

welcome to summer

[12:26:01]

bjohnson:

you made it to the island did you?

[12:26:03]

Beirdo:

yup

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bjohnson:

is it island or islands

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bjohnson:

multiple right?

[12:26:20]

Beirdo:

one main one, and a couple little ones with beaches

[12:26:34]

Beirdo:

I'm on the main island :)

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bjohnson:

you had only been there to visit before right?

[12:26:56]

Beirdo:

gotta learn me more Spanish

[12:26:58]

Beirdo:

yeah

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bjohnson:

any surprises yet about living there?

[12:27:16]

Beirdo:

not yet :)

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dev:

wow, moved out to an island? thats cool

[12:27:28]

Beirdo:

yeah, Canada -> Puerto Rico

[12:27:32]

dev:

rich man :D

[12:27:35]

Beirdo:

it's raining right now

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Beirdo:

married man :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

our house is kinda in the edge of the mountains, not on the beach though

[12:28:05]

laga:

re

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Beirdo:

her parent's house is about 5 blocks from the beach at the other side of town

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Beirdo:

err, parents'

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laga:

Juski: how's the baby?

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dev:

nice

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Beirdo:

if you don't like hot weather, don't move to the Caribbean :)

[12:29:47]

Juski:

laga: doing good. fitted the vga socket today, cleaned the solder out of the other IDE socket & the PCI socket position :-)

[12:30:22]

laga:

Juski: nice :). today? no work for you?

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** Beirdo slaps OpenBSD **

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Beirdo:

buggers ship a "should be bootable" ISO for sparc64

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Juski:

laga: lunchhour :-)

[12:31:02]

Beirdo:

which isn't at all bootable

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Juski:

"ausgezeichnete Kommunikation, schneller Service!"

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stuarta:

aka foreign order

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dev:

should be eh.. that doesnt sound promising

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laga:

Juski: ah, ok. mine already has a pci slot fitted :)

[12:31:24]

Juski:

grrr

[12:31:46]

Juski:

I hope he gets the jist of that feedback mesage

[12:31:51]

laga:

Juski: do you want a translation of that or why are you posting it?

[12:31:53]

laga:

hehe

[12:32:34]

Juski:

watching 2 more units now :-)

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stuarta:

there is always the babelfish

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laga:

Juski: mine also has one of these hooks next to the socket where the black/yellow cable is fitted in (what's that for anyways?!). like one of those that are holding the cpu heatsink

[12:33:23]

laga:

Juski: heh. addictive, huh?

[12:33:48]

Juski:

laga: I think that is for the scart switching signals

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Juski:

need a USB keyboard next

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** laga ponders getting one for the card **

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laga:

Juski: do you know much power they use yet?

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Beirdo:

hmmm

[12:35:47]

Juski:

dunno yet

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Beirdo:

how to create a Sun label on a CD in Linux

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Beirdo:

the only tool I've found so far is netbsd

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Beirdo:

blech

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stuarta:

don't think you can use fdisk on a cdimages

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Beirdo:

exactly :)

[12:36:50]

Beirdo:

but to make a CD bootable for a Sun, it needs a label

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Beirdo:

wonder if mkisofs does it

[12:36:57]

Beirdo:

hmmm

[12:37:08]

Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

-sparc-boot img_sun4,img_sun4c,img_sun4m,img_sun4d,img_sun4e

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Beirdo:

duh

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Beirdo:

too obvious

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Juski:

dammit I need to go to scam again.. :-/ everyone else's USB keyboards are too expensive

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laga:

Juski: yay. i've got a revision 5.0 board, yours is 1.0. that'd explain the differences, i was already wondering why the caps on yours next to the chipset were completely different

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** stuarta compiles xine-hd out of boredom **

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Juski_lab:

mine's a one point oh?!

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Beirdo:

OK, let's see if this beotch will work now

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laga:

Juski: it says so on the pictures.

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Juski_lab:

ah

[12:43:10]

** laga has got bigger transistors. ;) **

[12:43:12]

Juski_lab:

maybe the next will be a 5.0

[12:43:29]

laga:

i'll stop drooling over hardware revisions as soon as i receive the VGA cable, i promise.

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Juski_lab:

yours only needs bigger transistors cos it pulls 500W at idle :-P

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Beirdo:

you should see the heap of empty boxes, etc in the garage :)

[12:44:40]

Beirdo:

hehe

[12:44:59]

Juski_lab:

unpacked so soon? took me about 6 months

[12:45:15]

laga:

Juski: yeah, but it needs that much power because the picture quality is way better than yours!

[12:45:17]

Beirdo:

you don't have my mother-in-law there to make you do stuff

[12:45:23]

Juski_lab:

and I didn't move to another country... well... manchester _is_ different enough

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Beirdo:

the office is half-unpacked

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Beirdo:

the guest bedroom is full of stuff

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Juski_lab:

!trout laga

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** MythLogBot slaps laga with a trout on behalf of Juski_lab... **

[12:45:44]

Beirdo:

but the rest of the house is pretty much done

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** Beirdo turns on the Ultra5 in preparation for the CD he's burning **

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Beirdo:

hope this works :)

[12:47:21]

Juski_lab:

we have a couple of ultras downstairs in storage

[12:47:34]

Beirdo:

I'm making this one into my replacement firewall

[12:47:35]

Juski_lab:

used to use em for PCB CAD apparently

[12:47:46]

Beirdo:

yeah, that would be fun... and slow

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Beirdo:

at Cadence we used Ultra10, so about the same

[12:48:10]

Juski_lab:

bleeding edge way back when though

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Beirdo:

fffffuuuuck

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Beirdo:

"The file just loaded does not appear to be executable

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stuarta:

half decent machines though bloody expensive

[12:48:40]

Beirdo:

GAH

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Juski_lab:

anyway – laga – what's the deal with me needing a fscking password to download the zenega gentoo distro files huh? lousy...

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laga:

Juski: same for zenslack. obviously some control thing, overcompensating for whatever, dunno. just PM them via the zenega-user forum

[12:50:46]

Juski_lab:

right

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Juski_lab:

in englisch?

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laga:

yeah, should be ok.

[12:51:25]

Juski_lab:

ah good

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Juski_lab:

sheesh. site seems to be down

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Beirdo:

take 3

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laga:

Juski: reload. same happened to me, too

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laga:

scary moment :/

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Juski_lab:

http://www.zenega-user.de/forum

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Juski_lab:

not found!

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laga:

http://www.zenega-box.de/forum/

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Juski_lab:

think they've been pwn3d

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laga:

err

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laga:

i can't login. forum/index.php not foundö.

[12:54:07]

laga:

no.

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Juski_lab:

can't register either

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laga:

i believe they've moved their forum software and forgot to change the URLs ;)

[12:55:33]

Juski_lab:

heh

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Juski_lab:

how hard can it be to start from scratch though? can't be _that_ hard

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laga:

no

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laga:

it's not.

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laga:

i c'mon, choose your favourite linux distro and install it. done. ;)

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laga:

s/i//

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Juski_lab:

I can at least get it in a state where I can ssh into it... then it's all easy from there

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Beirdo:

!trout laga

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** MythLogBot slaps laga with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Dagmar:

If they're using PHP, they were probably pwned

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laga:

!trout Beirdo

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a trout on behalf of laga... **

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Beirdo:

!trout Theo de Raadt

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** MythLogBot slaps Theo de Raadt with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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stuarta:

isn't there just an OpenBSD sparc install?

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laga:

Juski: yep. i'm gonna load DSL on my mp3 portable and then start hacking ;)

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Juski_lab:

oh no, the company logo just came off the usb stick when I sprayed solvent on it & rubbed hard

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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laga:

Juski: now that's what i call a workplace accident! you'd better have company insurance pay for a new one. and take the old home with you.

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Beirdo:

stuarta, yes, but the ISO isn't actually bootable on a sparc

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stuarta:

doh!

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stuarta:

netboot?

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Beirdo:

so I'm trying valiantly to make one that is :)

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laga:

they don't provide boot floppies?

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Beirdo:

Ultra5 doesn't have a floppy

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dscoular:

net boot is your friend

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laga:

humm

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stuarta:

sun's haven't had floppies since the shoe box days.

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Beirdo:

netboot requires me to setup stuff I don't want to setup :)

[13:02:22]

laga:

na, netboot is nice.

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stuarta:

pxe is better, but netboot is good.

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Beirdo:

the machine I'd want to netboot with isn't on yet

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Beirdo:

so trying CD #4

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Beirdo:

there's no frigging instructions anywhere that are useful

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** laga has joerg schilling sit next to beirdo and yell at him **

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Beirdo:

anyone feel like flying to Calgary to kick Theo's ass?

[13:04:06]

Beirdo:

don't get me started on THAT freak either

[13:05:21]

Beirdo:

"The file just loaded does not appear to be executable"

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Beirdo:

yay

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Beirdo:

of course my wife doesn't quite understand why I don't want to use Solaris 9 instead :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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stuarta:

cause it's crap?

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Beirdo:

no it's not

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Beirdo:

but I don't know the firewalling stuff for it, and neither does she

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Dagmar:

At least Jumpstart is relatively transparent in it's operation

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Beirdo:

if I had all my servers running, a netboot would be simple enough

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Beirdo:

Jumpstart is kinda nice, yeah

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't exactly call it *nice*, per se

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Beirdo:

it's nice when you mess with it to do what you want :)

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Dagmar:

It seems to run only because all the bugs tend to cancel each other out, if you don't make any sudden moves, and don't do anything terribly unexpected.

[13:09:41]

Beirdo:

heh

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Dagmar:

There were more than a couple of days during the dot-com boom I almost went down to the Sun campus with a Louiville Slugger to find out who was responsible for a few things

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Beirdo:

OK, I give up on the stupid CD for now

[13:10:56]

Dagmar:

I honestly think they just *lost* the source code for the one binary piece it had

[13:11:02]

Beirdo:

I'll wait until a friend who's DONE this exact thing before is awake

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ben:

heh

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Beirdo:

he did it for a Blade100

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Beirdo:

so he should know the trick to it

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ben:

I wonder how long before I just need firefox for my entire range of operations

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ben:

perhaps an AXAJ google web browser?

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laga:

ben: alo!

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ben:

laga, 'ello.

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laga:

ben: ok. i'm done with my esperanto now. ;)

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Beirdo:

elho

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ben:

alo?

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ben:

erm, there's no such word afaik

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ben:

it'd be confused with al, unless you were looking to turn it into a noun for some reason...

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stuarta:

there is in SMTP

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stuarta:

sorry ESMTP

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Beirdo:

:)

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ben:

oh

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laga:

ben: nope. alo means either wing or "hallo" ;)

[13:16:38]

ben:

ah

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stuarta:

Beirdo: do you speak pop & imap as well?

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laga:

ben: http://www.majstro.com/Web/Majstro/dict.php?b . . . gebrTaal=deu

[13:16:47]

Juski_lab:

been boating my s100 to show peeps at work

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laga:

Juski_lab: i hope they're impressed.

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** laga is gonna take pictures of his in about thirty minutes **

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ben:

I thought words with other words in weren't used in esperanto due to the combination of morphemes thingy

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Juski_lab:

"is that DOS?! how does the text come up in colour?"

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hashbang:

Beirdo: 501 Syntax: EHLO hostname

[13:19:15]

ben:

hehehehe

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hashbang:

Juski_lab: show them 4dos and truly blow their minds.

[13:20:03]

ben:

juski (about a game played by a student, to the headmaster): "that's not Internet, so it must be Email."

[13:20:19]

hashbang:

w00t

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hashbang:

my DSL router has gone all verbose on me.

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ben:

digital subscriber line or damned-small linux?

[13:21:13]

hashbang:

former

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ben:

ah

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ben:

a verbose router? wierd

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Beirdo:

stuarta, yeah, I do at times, plus NNTP on occasion ;)

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hashbang:

"ok, that's more information than I wanted. you can stop now"

[13:21:45]

hashbang:

"I said, 'you can stop now'"

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** stuarta has forgottend his NNTP **

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ben:

stuarta, groups.google.com

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ben:

mine is utterly volatile, it keeps NAT rules and even passwords in ram it seems

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ben:

hence my forthcoming UPS

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** Beirdo bitchslaps OpenBSD for the fun of it **

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** ben joins beirdo, but goes for netBSD instead **

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hashbang:

ben: wow, that sucks. make/model?

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ben:

bt voyager 205, all bt broadband customers get one and it's the only router I've had that works with linux

[13:24:00]

ben:

I despise constantly reinputting my port 80 rule every time the power goes off, but apparently it's not just mine

[13:24:08]

ben:

hopefully they're not designed like that

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hashbang:

ben: nah, every ethernet->dsl router should work with Linux.

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ben:

hashbang, even with AOHell?

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hashbang:

well, AOL won't work with certain DSL kit, but that's an entirely different kettle of fish.

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ben:

it worked on windows after I hacked the registry — that was a netgear thing

[13:25:37]

ben:

no linux.

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ben:

then I got a speedtouch thingy, and still no linux

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janneg:

stuarta: with correct section tracking of EIT the hit ratio of the cache isn't so good anymore :(

[13:26:03]

hashbang:

ben: and actually, I suspect that's simply that they won't support anything but their approved kit (fair enough) and most AOL users don't know how to configure anything they need to configure.

[13:26:09]

ben:

then I got rid of AOL and got this thing, which works

[13:26:09]

janneg:

just 86%

[13:26:29]

hashbang:

ben: what did you need to hack in the windows registry?

[13:26:32]

stuarta:

yeah it would affect that.

[13:26:34]

ben:

MTU

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hashbang:

ben: yeah, well, some versions of Windows had broken path MTU discovery.

[13:27:02]

ben:

windows xp sp1.

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hashbang:

if that's all you needed to tweak (for whatever nutso reason) you're able to perform equivalent tweaks on UNIX too.

[13:27:49]

ben:

and it didn't work at all in linux, until I disabled ipv6 — at which point, firefox started to work at about quarter speed, but nothing else

[13:28:08]

ben:

hashban, nope... I know very well now how to change MTUs in UNIX, didn't help

[13:28:45]

hashbang:

ben: yeah, that's because with IPv6 enabled, the C library will attempt to perform AAAA record lookups before A record lookups

[13:28:57]

hashbang:

ben: and some ISP's DNS servers don't support that.

[13:29:00]

ben:

whooosh.

[13:29:11]

** hashbang has been supporting IP for 11 years. **

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ben:

the MTU had to be changed to 1400

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ben:

which I did in the router. that should have worked.

[13:29:38]

hashbang:

ben: for performance reasons? yeah, IP gets tunneled to your ISP

[13:29:52]

ben:

no, for AOL reasons

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ben:

four hours on the phone with an irishman then resulted in me changing the windows mtu also

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hashbang:

for a while, BT Wholesale's kit couldn't handle MTUs over 1500 optimally

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ben:

and then the linux one, which still didn't work

[13:30:23]

ben:

and I just got rid of aol

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qu0zl:

some of them just can't handle MTU's over 1500 at all hashbang

[13:30:30]

ben:

I don't have that router any more

[13:30:34]

hashbang:

so with a 1500 octet packet, combined with the tunnelling headers, every packet was over 1500 octets.

[13:30:36]

janneg:

stuarta: you got my message that the memory leak was just the stream listener leak?

[13:30:49]

hashbang:

qu0zl: some of what?

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qu0zl:

isp's providing dsl

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qu0zl:

the dsl ppp can have a mtu of 1500 itself

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stuarta:

janneg: I'm currently running with your stream listener fix, and the delete eventMap fix

[13:31:26]

qu0zl:

and if you send a 1500 and it gets fragmented because of the ppp wrapping

[13:31:28]

qu0zl:

it just gets dumped

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hashbang:

qu0zl: well, that's expected behaviour.

[13:31:39]

qu0zl:

so it can be worse than poor performance it can stop it working

[13:31:43]

qu0zl:

aye, just saying

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hashbang:

qu0zl: the only packet size that's guaranteed to be able to traverse the Internet is 576 octets.

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hashbang:

qu0zl: the fragmentation/tunnelling thing I was talking about was a UK ADSL implementation-specific issue that existed until 2003 or 2004.

[13:32:43]

ben:

ignorant I thought it was bytes

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Dagmar:

There's guarantees of delivery?

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hashbang:

qu0zl: it's not an issue any more since BT Wholesale upgraded their kit.

[13:32:58]

Dagmar:

When did they add that?

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qu0zl:

hashbang, i know. i was just pointing out that as well as poor performance some dsl isps will completely not work with userside mtus of 1500

[13:33:15]

qu0zl:

which is what Ben was describing i think

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hashbang:

qu0zl: Ben was saying that AOL needed MTU=1400.

[13:33:49]

qu0zl:

they probably picked that value from air, 1492 would probably have been fine :)

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Dagmar:

PPPoE buggers up the usual 1500 with it's extra protocol encapsulation, and many ISPs are still so dumb as to filter need-fragment ICMP traffic

[13:33:52]

hashbang:

Dagmar: I said nothing of *delivery* just *traversal*

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ben:

aol's networking systems are the worse I've seen

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ben:

utterly shite

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ben:

it seems they've just tacked on real systems to their proprietary crap

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hashbang:

qu0zl: BT Wholesales's kit needed MTU<=1458 to avoid fragmentation once tunnelled.

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Dagmar:

Personally, I think that ISPs that filter need-fragment ICMP packets should be blackholed.

[13:36:18]

Dagmar:

Add to that the people whose routers fragment packets to deal their inadequate MTU sizes on one end of their pipes and then don't defragment on the other

[13:36:23]

hashbang:

Dagmar: this wasn't an operational issue, just a performance issue.

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hashbang:

Dagmar: reading between the lines, I suspect BT Wholesale's kit was v. slow at reassembly.

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janneg:

me too. Chutt doesn't like the streamlistener fix. And there is st least one leak left.

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hashbang:

Dagmar: oh, and routers shouldn't perform reassembly.

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janneg:

backend RES is at 97MB instead 35MB after start with filled cache

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Dagmar:

Personally, I think they should if they can

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stuarta:

mine's 28Mb res.

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hashbang:

Dagmar: problem is that many routers have limited resources (CPU, RAM) and performing fragment reassembly can offer a DoS opportunity.

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hashbang:

i.e. send all fragments bar one, rinse and repeat.

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janneg:

that's also 64 bit?

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stuarta:

janneg: no i'm still on 32bit

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** stuarta needs to upgrade soon **

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Dagmar:

"...if they can"

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hashbang:

Dagmar: thing is, they don't know whether they can until they get the last fragment.

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't expect the average router to bother, but if it's a point to point link where the MTU size is a joke, there shouldn't be anything particularly horrible about undoing the mess of fragments created on the other end if they're not going to pass along the proper ICMP messages

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hashbang:

Dagmar: well, the ICMP issue is what should be fixed.

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hashbang:

Dagmar: most devices I find will generate ICMP dest unreach must fragment messages, but many *admins* block all ICMP, either outbound, inbound or both.

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Dibblah:

That's OK. ICMP is just ping, right? ;)

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Dagmar:

I don't think you understand me.

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hashbang:

Dibblah: ping is *one* type of ICMP.

[13:46:08]

janneg:

stuarta: but it's a 64bit processor? Anyway, since we aren't keeping only pointers in memory that's probably less than 50MB on 64bit

[13:46:11]

Dagmar:

If they're going to do something like dumping ICMP and stick with it, they should be encouraged to attempt an even more painful fix until they get the hint and stop being stupid about ICMP

[13:46:20]

Dibblah:

hashbang: ;) is a smiley.

[13:46:41]

hashbang:

Dibblah: sorry, humour failure. :-)

[13:46:42]

stuarta:

janneg: yeh, amd64 running 32bit :( My upgrade isn't trivial.

[13:47:40]

hashbang:

also, some devices don't give the admin much flexibility in dealing with ICMP.

[13:47:55]

hashbang:

my router offers only block all icmp, or allow all icmp.

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hashbang:

so I'm forced to allow, then filter further at a firewall behind it. *sigh*

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** janneg is reliefed, remembered correctly the amd64 **

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Dagmar:

Yuck.

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Dagmar:

Burn it.

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hashbang:

I even tried coming up with some wacky rules that would examine specific bytes of the headers in order to determine if it was necessary ICMP or bad ICMP.

[13:49:00]

stuarta:

Dagmar: you get what you pay for. something better is minimum 5x the price.

[13:49:00]

ben:

they burn nicely, did you see that video of the overclocked one?

[13:49:02]

janneg:

err, relieved

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Dagmar:

I guess I've been spoiled by more complex equipment

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hashbang:

but it has very little brain, and it didn't work.

[13:49:28]

hashbang:

Dagmar: well, this was 2nd or 3rd from top when I bought it for 235GBP.

[13:49:37]

Dagmar:

stuarta: There is such a thing as cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

[13:49:41]

hashbang:

only DSL routers better at the time, in the UK, were Draytek and Cisco.

[13:49:45]

stuarta:

hashbang: which one is that?

[13:49:47]

hashbang:

and Cisco wanted 800GBP+

[13:49:52]

hashbang:

stuarta: ZyXEL.

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Dagmar:

You don't typically hear people saying "Well, the cure for rabies is pretty expensive... I only want to get the one shot of the fourteen"

[13:50:22]

stuarta:

i'm tempted by either a draytek or an adsl netscreen next time.

[13:51:06]

hashbang:

stuarta: I'd be tempted by either a) a cheapo SMC with a 3 year warranty for 24 quid, or b) something running Linux, probably a D-Link.

[13:51:48]

stuarta:

either that or cheapo adsl -> eth modem, then whatever I have....

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hashbang:

oh, I'd never use a USB modem. Routers only.

[13:52:26]

hashbang:

but even that SMC will do that.

[13:52:45]

stuarta:

not USB, ethernet. call it a 1 port router if you must....

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hashbang:

stuarta: yeah, that's fine.

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** stuarta hates usb modems **

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hashbang:

stuarta: if it presents IP, rather than PPPoA, it's a router.

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hashbang:

stuarta: if the host it's connected to needs to perform PPPoA de-encapsulation, or more, it's a bridge or a dumb modem.

[13:54:13]

stuarta:

and they are crap.

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Dagmar:

Pssht. I'll take a bridge any day

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stuarta:

isn't that what the DSL cable routers do, terminate PPPoA?

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Dagmar:

Far worse are the damnable ones that force you to use a public IP for their external interface, or worse yet, lock you into some demented form of masquerading

[13:56:14]

Dagmar:

The last time I had to deal with DSL, I had the ISP telling me that I couldn't use the unit I had, they gave me some really sketchy POS from ActionTek

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hashbang:

stuarta: I think the DSL/cable routers you see are just filtering switches, effectively.

[13:56:35]

hashbang:

Dagmar: using a public IP on the external i/f is down to your ISP, I think.

[13:56:37]

Dagmar:

After about 15 minutes of poking at it, I had no qualms about pulling out my speedstream

[13:56:53]

Dagmar:

hashbang: not really. You can use private addresses anywhere you like

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hashbang:

Dagmar: since the PPP part could be done all using RFC1918 addresses, if your ISP wishes.

[13:57:04]

Dagmar:

Just so long as you don't try *talkign* to another machine with those addresses

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stuarta:

hashbang: they do all the same stuff as the ADSL ones, they just connect to the network point on the cable box.

[13:57:44]

Dagmar:

Those ActionTek units have a tiny linux install on them that makes me ashamed

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hashbang:

stuarta: that's what I mean; I'm pretty sure they expect IP on both sides.

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Dagmar:

For one thing, it's resolver relay likes to report certain kinds of negative DNS lookups as being 1.1.1.1

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hashbang:

stuarta: the only real need I can see for them is if your router has a horrible UI/facilities and/or you don't have admin rights on it.

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stuarta:

hashbang: had a guy here try to direct connect his box to the eth port on the cable box and it did nothing

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Dagmar:

stuarta: No magic smoke?

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stuarta:

so i'm suspecting they termintate PPPoA

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Dagmar:

Heh

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hashbang:

stuarta: hmmm. it seems the Linksys BEFSR41 can do PPPoE.

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Juski:

aye. never tried it though

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hashbang:

stuarta: but I suspect a lot of folks just use them as filters.

[14:00:45]

Juski:

my befsr41 has been in service for ooo 5 years or so with hardly a reset needed :-)

[14:00:59]

Dagmar:

'cept for that last patch, eh?

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Juski:

can't remember the last time I upgraded the firmwre actually

[14:01:47]

Dagmar:

That was a fun bug

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SujnTzuTech:

am i on the wrong channel?

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Juski:

I got DoS'd once – that just crashed it

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Merlin83b:

SunTzuTech: Feel free to get tht chat back on topic :-)

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Dagmar:

Juski: You, um, might wanna update the firmware then. There was a rather serious bug that could potentially allow me to drop-kick you offline if you're masquerading through it

[14:02:36]

ben:

my fault, sorry

[14:02:49]

Juski:

Dagmar: eh? :-)

[14:03:20]

ben:

about forty-five minutes ago I made a comment about a router, and they ended up here

[14:03:33]

hashbang:

Juski: my ZyXEL's gone through a period of wonkiness since regrading to 8Mbps, but it seems to have sorted itself out recently.

[14:03:39]

stuarta:

SunTzuTech: no, we just discuss all sorts of things in here

[14:03:57]

hashbang:

Juski: weirdly, the LAN interface stopped responding at the MAC layer every 3 nights.

[14:03:59]

Juski:

I know how to forward ports & that's about it. I don't need to know anything else (yet) anyway

[14:04:11]

stuarta:

ben: you are lucky it's not friday!

[14:04:21]

hashbang:

Juski: I suspect BT were doing something on the WAN side that tickled some bug or other.

[14:04:21]

Merlin83b:

Heh

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Juski:

hashbang: wasn't it just ADSL being crap?

[14:04:34]

ben:

stuarta, probably

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hashbang:

Juski: no, because I was still able to ping the external interface.

[14:04:47]

Juski:

ack

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hashbang:

Juski: but I wasn't even able to get the MAC address of the internal ethernet i/f

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hashbang:

using ARP.

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hashbang:

all very odd.

[14:05:09]

Dagmar:

Juski: I can't seem to find the anchor link into this, but search for the model number in this page: http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB06-068.html

[14:05:29]

Juski:

my dad's adsl router came with remote admin enabled by default. he never changed the password & got properly pwn3d. luckily I could ftp into it from my place to fix it

[14:05:37]

Dagmar:

Ach. here it is IRC

[14:05:43]

Dagmar:

http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB06-068.html#multipleirc

[14:05:45]

hashbang:

ZyXEL claimed it was an Ethernet interoperability bug and suggested I buy the current model, but I think they were bullshitting me because they couldn't be arsed to look into the problem properly.

[14:06:12]

hashbang:

so they aren't getting any repeat business from me.

[14:08:05]

Juski:

Dagmar: looks like I'd need a new router to close that one off then

[14:08:58]

Juski:

I've got the latest firmware from 30 Aug 2004

[14:09:30]

Dagmar:

Juski: Well, if you're not masquerading through it, the bug doesn't manifest

[14:09:40]

Juski:

wth is masquerading?

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Dagmar:

We could test it real fast, but god only knows if it would blow other people offline

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dev:

haha

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Dagmar:

dnat

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dev:

i saw that as masturbating

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** dev goes back to the corner **

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Beirdo:

horny dev

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** ben installs caging around dev **

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dev:

hehehe

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stuarta:

Juski: and you are most likely doing it.

[14:10:48]

Juski:

well I'm not doing that

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stuarta:

the NAT or what dev mentioned?

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Juski:

no interest in it either. I'd like to see a PC consume as little power as my router :-P

[14:11:57]

stuarta:

I wonder if I could make an NSLUG into a backend :-/

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Juski:

my router does all the black magic – no need for that. And if I ever had so many machines online I needed a proper router erm.. I think I'd need to get a life ;-)

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stuarta:

or a co-lo

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Juski:

lol

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Hoxzer:

Juski: :( life is for somebody who dunno howto download porn

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Dagmar:

Well, you can get rid of the space heater in your house with that many machines.

[14:14:11]

Dagmar:

My stuff kept the townhome I was living in in SF warm all through the sorry excuse for winter they have over there

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** Juski is gonna be building a kernel from scratch tonight. been a long time since the last time **

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Juski:

oo I could do it now if I'm careful

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Hoxzer:

BUt Should I go watch hooligans or play wow

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Dagmar:

I think it's patch day for WoW so you may not have a choice

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Hoxzer:

:/

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Dagmar:

It's patch day for Guild Wars and City of Heroes as well, so don't think you can just switch games. Heh

[14:16:14]

Hoxzer:

Are u cheating me?

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Hoxzer:

making me not to play wow?

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Dagmar:

<-- first player to get a sprite darter pet

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Dagmar:

Quite a wonderfully masculine pet it was, too. :/

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ben:

ok...

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Dagmar:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Sprite_Darter_Hatchling <-- this thing.

[14:19:27]

Dagmar:

Cept in the 3d model it looks probably three times more effeminate

[14:19:52]

Dagmar:

I was seriously conflicted over that. On the one hand, I'd scored a pet in the game that no one had even seen before...

[14:20:06]

Dagmar:

...and on the other hand, I might as well have dressed my character up in rainbows and started typing with a lisp.

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Hoxzer:

Dagmar: what makes it so special?

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Dagmar:

Hoxzer: It's a rare pet you have to quest for, and the quest is a biter and not the sort of thing anyone but a nosy player like me would normally find

[14:21:26]

Dagmar:

It looks like a chameleon with faerie butterfly wings, all rainbow colored and terribly cute

[14:21:36]

Dagmar:

Just the thing to inspire fear in one's mortal enemies.

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Hoxzer:

;/ I think orc warriors should get flying mount

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Hoxzer:

as they can't have pet

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Dagmar:

Sure they can.

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Hoxzer:

;)

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Juski:

hmmm.. i can't see an option in menuconfig for my intel chipset – can I just assume it's already supported & doesn't need to be optioned in?

[14:22:11]

Dagmar:

You guys can buy hissing cockroaches, no problem

[14:22:38]

Dagmar:

Juski: That depends.

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Dagmar:

Some of the other i8x0 ones won't show up until other items are turned on

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Dagmar:

Hoxzer: Think about it. How would you like to go back to the orc city with a multicolored lizard-butterfly of cuteness trailing behind you.

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Juski:

Dagmar: it's for intel 830...

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Dagmar:

You may be punting around in the menus for awhile then, but I thought that it had been reduced down to just one main entry by now

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Dagmar:

Maybe grep yer config for i8x0 and see if it's defined already

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hashbang:

Juski: ac97 + snd_intel8x0 and you should be all set

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sixy:

has anyone successfully got ice1712+alsa+mythtv working?

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Juski:

hashbang: cheers – figured as much

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scopeuk:

ok i know im gonna be mutilated for this but here goes any way my favorite coponant site is currently out of pci digi tuners and i was wonderign if anyone could point me in the right direction for a good one (uk if possible)

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hashbang:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/5052572.stm

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Juski:

hmm I can't remember if 'make install' will actually copy this kernel to my boot partition or not. I remember one distro doing that for me

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Juski:

scopeuk www.scam.co.uk .. oops.. scan.co.uk

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scopeuk:

juski ;-)

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sixy:

scope depends what for – scan stock is not alway accurate

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scopeuk:

eg id like to be able to order one soon ihs

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scopeuk:

ish*

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Dagmar:

Juski: Only if you have an /sbin/installkernel script

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scopeuk:

hashbang great link that get farked yet?

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Juski:

Dagmar: ah – it must've been ubuntu then

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stuarta:

oooh joy, new h264 decoder has appeared....

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Juski:

boot isn't mounted, so I _should_ be safe

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Dagmar:

I have a generic one, for people who use lilo. Heh

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sixy:

http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_4338.html

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stuarta:

damn, encoder...

[15:00:19]

sixy:

probably the best around

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Juski:

sixy: they work in linux, do they?

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Dagmar:

Heh. It doesn't have a warning on it saying "Your disk must be at least this big to ride this ride"

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Dagmar:

That's not a bad price for a dual HD tuner tho

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Juski:

what?!?!?!?!?! oh fuck it's copied the new kernel across

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sixy:

juski – i saw a forum post from someone who had one working

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sixy:

but had no first-hand experience yet

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sixy:

http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/Linux-DVB/DVICO/

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sixy:

the driver

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stuarta:

there's also the terratec version for pci-e

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sixy:

yes, but it doesnt have svideo input so if you want to use it with sky/ntl ect you will need another card

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sixy:

also the quality isnt as good, which is why i like the dvico one

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stuarta:

ah, never though of svideo as important

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** Juski does a reality check **

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sixy:

the only downside of the dvico card is that it needs a spare usb port

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Juski:

if the boot partition isn't mounted...

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stuarta:

sixy: what for?

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sixy:

pci bandwith is insufficent, so it uses usb for the second tuner

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** stuarta thinks that is a crap excuse. **

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Juski:

phew! -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2025255 Jul 3 2005 kernel-2.6.12

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stuarta:

must remember to submit the kernel bug report....

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Juski:

new kernel copied over to a safe place

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stuarta:

they normally do

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Juski:

that dual tuner dvb-t card needs a USB port? lame as owt!

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scopeuk:

isent it dual hd ?

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Juski:

stuarta: I mean – I copied it to a safe place... and it didn't install (thank god)

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Juski:

scopeuk: all dvb-t tuners can theoretically do HD

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stuarta:

I really should start testing that patch to record multiple programs off a single transport

[15:10:43]

Juski:

stuarta: did anything come of my scanning issue?

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stuarta:

it's on my todo list...

[15:11:07]

Juski:

okees – wasn't mithering – just wondering ;-)

[15:11:09]

janneg:

yeah that's crap. PCI should be good enough to do at least 40 MByte/s

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stuarta:

I know what to write, just haven't done it...

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sixy:

juski – pci bandwith is reletevly small compared to two full hd-streams

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Juski:

I'm not fussed right now since I can work around it

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sixy:

janneg – yeah but thats shared between lots of devices

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stuarta:

when I do write it, you'll get to test it :-)

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xian:

hi all

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Juski:

stuarta: heh. since nobody else has reported it, fair nuff

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janneg:

I don't think they use more than 500MBit/s for one HDTV channel

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Juski:

more like 18mbits/sec

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Juski:

and ours is h.264... wonder what bitrate though

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janneg:

sixy: yes, on older boards it's probably shared with USB2

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stuarta:

Juski: no there is one other, but it's relating to FEC parameters being wrong, same underlying issue however

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sixy:

18*2 = 36 which doesnt leave a lot for everything else

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Juski:

old config file copied back, all should be well

[15:14:10]

janneg:

Hauppauge is doing dual DVB tuners on a pci card with pci to usb bridge

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Juski:

what?!

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Juski:

jees. bring on the pci-e in that case

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janneg:

sixy: 36 mbits/s versus very conservative 40 _Mbytes_/s

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sixy:

janneg – whats one usb port? better to use less pci (esp on via motherbaords) and more usb

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sixy:

why test the limits of pci when theres an alternative

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ben:

heh

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ben:

"this is the curse of the MCE. even if it worked it'd still be Windows."

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xian:

i'm trying to configure a pvr 350 with mythtv but i cant make it work

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xian:

catting /dev/video0 works but with black video output

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scopeuk:

arnt the 350's fairly well integrated

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scopeuk:

and documented for that matter

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xian:

the black output?

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xian:

i've tryed for all the howto i've found

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janneg:

Juski: Win-TV Nova-T 500, not announced yet

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janneg:

sixy: it's stupid design. It's a silly bundle of a pci tuner and one usb tuner.

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janneg:

not exactly what I understand under dual tuner card

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scopeuk:

more liek two single tuners

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stuarta:

2 single tuners are cheaper

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scopeuk:

under almsot all situations

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scopeuk:

which kinda contradicts every other rule of hardware pricing but there we go

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sixy:

yes, but not if you have to fit it in a very small form factor case

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sixy:

http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc19.htm

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scopeuk:

yes but the average pc case is big enough to allow you to spread the tners out and easily fit then

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scopeuk:

these cards are artificialysmaller thanthey have to be i mean silicon isent that expensive

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sixy:

true in general, but not nessecarily true for htpc cases

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janneg:

or just use external tuners

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scopeuk:

even in a htpc you have to fit a micro – atx case

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scopeuk:

micro – atx mobo *

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sixy:

external tuers are far messier than one usb cable imo

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sixy:

how about mini-itx? or even nano-itx?

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scopeuk:

ive got my sizes mixed up

[15:28:47]

scopeuk:

i normaly use the lager boards

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scopeuk:

better componants and price and i havent tried building a "proper" htpc yet

[15:29:16]

scopeuk:

my myth box is in a standard atx tower

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scopeuk:

and for that mater its hooked up to a crt monitor

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sixy:

i like my htpcs to be small and look like (expensive) hifi equipment

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scopeuk:

id liekthem too

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scopeuk:

but the budget doesent strech that far

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scopeuk:

sofar my myth box has cost me nothing

[15:30:01]

scopeuk:

its all recycled componants

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scopeuk:

it shows it too

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sixy:

yeah i used to have one like that – but i got pissed off and kicked it too hard. now i have the nice new one :D

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sixy:

as it was the wifes fault it had broken i got away with it too :D:D:D

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scopeuk:

liek i say my current budget for living for the next 10 days is 15 pounds

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sixy:

been there :(

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sixy:

hmmm getting nowhere with alsa :( it just doesnt seem to work well on fc5

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ben:

fc5 doesn't work well full stop.

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ben:

it's an enormous bug in itself

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ben:

meh.

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stuarta:

one day that'll be rhel6

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ben:

stu, yes, disturbing thought, not that it matters, **go deb/ubuntu**

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ben:

how well does mythtv do on an athlon 64?

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ben:

not mythtv, nvm

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** stuarta loves debian **

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ben:

GUI server config, anyone?

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hashbang:

sixy: how are you installing/configuring alsa?

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** ben prefers ubuntu, but meh **

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stuarta:

never bothered to try it.

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sixy:

um it came pre-installed

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sixy:

im using an .aoundrc file from alsa.org

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hashbang:

sixy: I don't think you should need to do that.

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hashbang:

sixy: try nuking it, then running system-config-soundcard

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sixy:

hashbang – that gives me output from the first two channels, but i need output from the second two as well

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sixy:

alsa:default works, as does alsa:plughw:0,0 but none of the routing that according to alsa.org *should* work does

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hashbang:

sixy: ah, you didn't say you were doing 5.1 or whatever. :-)

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hashbang:

sixy: I suspect you'll need to cobble /bits/ from the alsa.org asoundrc into the one that s-c-s generates

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sixy:

im not – i just want 4-ch stereo

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hashbang:

well, anything >2ch

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Juski:

just desoldered a couple of PCI connectors :-)

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sixy:

!!!

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Juski:

I looked & RS components don't sell them anymore, so had to go on the rob

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sixy:

i hope you didn tneed the source anymore :)

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Juski:

old p4 motherboard IT dept gave me

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Juski:

it'll still work, unless you need to plug anything PCI into it, or use the BIOS

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Juski:

got the flash off it too.. might come in handy for linuxbios playing :-)

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sixy:

so given a fairly specialised definition of "itl still work" :D

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stuarta:

the definition being "the smoke hasn't escaped yet"

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

I used a black & decker heatgun to desolder the pci connectors – easy

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stuarta:

finesse does not come to mind

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Juski:

it looks like a very clean job

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Zider:

I have just returned home with (hopefully the right) components to build an IR receiver :D

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Juski:

just have to be _careful_ that's all ;-)

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Zider:

Juski: or else the mobo will be scarful ;)

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Juski:

heheh

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scopeuk:

this to upgrade your new toy?

[16:02:55]

Juski:

yup

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scopeuk:

nice

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Juski:

not in any hurry to add pci to this baby, but the next one...

[16:03:24]

scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

and the next one and the next on e ;-)

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Juski:

any more than 2 more & I might get kicked out of the house

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Juski:

but as I keep telling her – she's got her shitty telly (soaps & x-crement-factor).. I've got this ;-)

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scopeuk:

lol

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Zider:

Juski: what are you using the pci slots for?

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scopeuk:

ive noticed that last night the only program i could tolerate was old tricks

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Juski:

Zider: I heard that you can buy DVB-T tuners that fit in PCI slots. amazing :-P

[16:06:12]

Zider:

Juski: :P

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Zider:

Juski: I mean, where are you soldering those unsoldered pci slots? not on another mb I guess?

[16:06:50]

Juski:

yeah on another motherboard

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scopeuk:

althoguh its an embeded deice right?

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Juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/s100/ – that one

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Zider:

ooh, not just a standard mb :P

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scopeuk:

Juski i take it these boxen ar a tad more friendly than the msn tv 2 majobies

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Juski:

could be

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scopeuk:

eg the msn tv 2 accelerate graphics are takign mroe proding than you whould belive

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** Juski grabs intel's 830 linux development kit **

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scopeuk:

:-)

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Juski:

109MB download!

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stuarta:

that'll be gcc+binutils+kernel

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JustWilliam:

any body running the latest ubuntu using mytvtv

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scopeuk:

hi JustWilliam

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Juski:

oh wicked. the driver for this is binary already, and the tv encoder is a loadable module

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sixy:

juski – what motherboard is that? it looks like a cross between a via epia and an intel pentium m

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GreyFoxx:

Juskie: For your s100 ?

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GreyFoxx:

Lemme guess. IEGD driver, with the fs encoder module ?:)

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xris:

GreyFoxx: so cyberestore has been having trouble getting in the dual lnb brackets... the latest story is that UPS lost the shipment, so this time he gave me the tracking number so I can watch its progress.

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scopeuk:

that the same evil sun of a $%^& were playing (by were i mean you're) playing with on the msn tv 2

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GreyFoxx:

xris: Nast

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GreyFoxx:

scopeuk: Same IEGD driver, BUT the Tv Encoder in the box he has is supported

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GreyFoxx:

they give away the module for that tv encoder with the driver

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GreyFoxx:

scopeuk: I almost had watchable video on the weekend when I had time to mess with it

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GreyFoxx:

http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2006/06-0 . . . 251.JPG&

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scopeuk:

sweet

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scopeuk:

and keep up the good work

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scopeuk:

ohh soo close

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GreyFoxx:

It gave me some ideas for next time I get a chance to sit down with it

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scopeuk:

nice

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scopeuk:

any way im going out for a picnic

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GreyFoxx:

fun

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scopeuk:

gonan make use of the 5 minutes of britih summer

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scopeuk:

sese as i had to take an exam in a stuffy room with it earlier

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scopeuk:

bloody bright sunlight and high temperatures

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scopeuk:

one day ofthe year i wear a long sleave top

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GreyFoxx:

I should split the output of the msntv and pump one line into one of my pvr cards so I can play with it from here

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ben:

mythfrontend's confusing me, how do I access the left menu in images?

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GreyFoxx:

hit M

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GreyFoxx:

(or Menu)

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ben:

ah

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ben:

thanks

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ben:

well, my frontend spec is finished, which is good

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dev:

rsyncing 200gig over 100mbit is painful

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dev:

wish my old backend was 1000mbit like the new one

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Coume:

hi all

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dev:

or i wish i had enough of a window to powerdown the old backend and just place the drive in the new backend and copy heh

[17:08:44]

dev:

hi!

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kormoc:

you can make a window!

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dev:

kormoc: hehe

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dev:

i probably could.. but wednesday night im good. midnight on wednesday i can swap out backends

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dev:

i have a 6hr window :)

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dev:

will do nightly rsyncs until then

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dev:

we record entirely too much tv heh

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dev:

im debating putting a 5th tuner on this setup

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dev:

we dont get 4 tuners in use simultaneiously often.. maybe once a month, if that, but we do use 3 at a time a few times a week

[17:13:15]

dev:

thing is we rarely watch livetv anymore.. only for the weather, or metro traffic report, or something

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dev:

instead we just record anything we could even possibly think we'd want to watch in the future... hehe

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kleptophobiac:

is there some way that I can set an arbitrary bounding box for X within a modeline?

[17:13:50]

kleptophobiac:

i want to try and correct for some horribly big overscan

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dev:

nvidia makes correcting overscan easy

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kleptophobiac:

i'm not using svideo, so the tvoverscan setting doesn't do anything

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dev:

i saw some overscan settings in setup

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dev:

play arond with myths overscan setting?

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kleptophobiac:

i'm using DVI-->HDMI

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dev:

oh.

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dev:

myths should still work tho right

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kleptophobiac:

yeah, for myth

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kleptophobiac:

you mean the GUI location/size parameters?

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kleptophobiac:

that doesn't do anything to help other apps

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kleptophobiac:

like xine/mplayer/zsnes

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dev:

i saw an actual 'overscan' setting in myth somewhere.. but you're right, that wouldnt help for other apps

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dev:

right ;/

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kleptophobiac:

so do you know of a way to set an arbitrary bounding box?

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dev:

the question about the modeline, i dont know.. sorry ;/

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kleptophobiac:

hmm

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kleptophobiac:

i'll keep searching

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kormoc:

kleptophobiac, you can try running xvidtune

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kormoc:

it will allow you to play with mode settings on the fly

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kormoc:

get one that looks right, hit a button and it will spit it out for you

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kleptophobiac:

my tv doesn't accept a lot in terms of modes

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kleptophobiac:

it auto compensates and turns everything into 720p or 540p

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kleptophobiac:

so i'd like to run in as close to a native mode as possible

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kleptophobiac:

and fix the overscan with a bounding box

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Zider:

how do you find out what resolution a tv actually "downscales" to?

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kleptophobiac:

i didn't find out for sure, but i could tell when different modelines didn't do everything

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kleptophobiac:

so i put up some moire test patterns

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kleptophobiac:

to see how scaling influenced them

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: yup... and now it's time to go home

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kleptophobiac:

and found when it scaled up or scaled down

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kleptophobiac:

so i assume one's one mode and the other is another

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andy123:

can anyone on here give me some help with mythtv-setup?? I've added a second DVB card but things aren't looking quite right to me

[17:46:56]

andy123:

basically, both cards in mythtv-setup are appearing as DVB#0. Surely that isn't right?

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andy123:

sorry [DVB:0]

[17:48:31]

ben:

is the second card working?

[17:49:01]

andy123:

I've not actually tried. I'm a bit scared to leave mythtv-setup and have it save all the info back to the db and risk screwing up my system

[17:49:12]

ben:

ah

[17:49:13]

andy123:

certainly the PCI card has it's little red light on

[17:49:26]

ben:

if I were you I'd backup your database and then try it

[17:49:30]

andy123:

I've now got 2xNova-T 909s

[17:49:47]

andy123:

yup, I took a backup. I just thought i'd ask before going ahead <gulp>

[17:51:20]

Beirdo:

OK

[17:51:34]

Beirdo:

the Ultra5 is now running OpenBSD 3.9

[17:51:38]

Beirdo:

only took all day

[17:51:44]

andy123:

I've tried googling and checking the dox but not found anything

[17:51:51]

Beirdo:

stupid thing wouldn't boot my CDs

[17:51:52]

andy123:

here I go...

[17:52:07]

ben:

good luck.

[17:52:30]

andy123:

thanks :)

[17:53:10]

janneg:

andy123: you have to select for the second card a different adapter number in mythtv-setup

[17:53:21]

ben:

I'm still getting my system specced

[17:54:00]

andy123:

ah, would that be the capturecard.videodevice column in the DB?

[17:54:13]

andy123:

do I just set it to an abitrary "1" ?

[17:55:57]

andy123:

I can't actually see adaptor number mentioned in the DB or mythtv-setup

[17:56:22]

andy123:

and from the looks of videodevice, that has /dev/video0 for my pvr250 so maybe that's not used for DVB cards

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xris:

Beirdo: welcome back to the land of the connected.

[18:00:20]

xris:

Beirdo: so before you left, did you hear that simech is donating an opteron 2u to mythtv.org?

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janneg:

andy123: in mythtv-setup you can and have to choose the card number. for the first one 0, for the second 1 and so on

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stuarta:

Beirdo: what you have to do to the Ultra to get it to boot?

[18:09:50]

xris:

logitech harmony 880 for $109 after rebate...

[18:10:30]

andy123:

janneg: you were right

[18:11:01]

andy123:

it uses the capturecard.videosource to make the card unique

[18:11:05]

andy123:

thanks very much

[18:12:03]

andy123:

now the only thing I'm trying to figure out is how to set a priority on each capture card so i can make it favour the new card over the existing cards (give it a bit of a soak test!)

[18:12:06]

andy123:

any idea?

[18:14:55]

Beirdo:

xris: yes I had heard that :)

[18:15:19]

Beirdo:

stuarta, I gave up and used a netboot (tftp/bootparamd/nfs)

[18:15:44]

stuarta:

gave you an excuse to setup the other servers :)

[18:16:10]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

nah, I put it on the laptop for now

[18:16:30]

Beirdo:

heh. I suck

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sixy:

is there a way to allow two frontendsd to access the same file simultaneously

[18:20:23]

xris:

sixy: why wouldn't that work?

[18:20:43]

sixy:

it gives me a decodermad error

[18:21:07]

sixy:

which apparently is a file access problem, according to google

[18:22:25]

sixy:

ok... its just one frontend, all the others dont have an issue. probably something lse wrong with that frontend then

[18:24:23]

Coume:

rhhhhhh what the f???k is going on with the Mythtvtalk.com server !

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stuarta:

it probably upset Juski

[18:24:52]

sixy:

hmmm 2 out of four frontends give DecoderMAD:Failed to open input. error 5

[18:25:25]

sixy:

if they all have write permission to the file, and sharing one file across many frontends isnt the problem – any ideas what ive done wrong?

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** Juski is way too busy to be upset by any server **

[18:29:44]

Coume:

hiya Juski :)

[18:30:34]

janneg:

andy123: just set priorities in "4. input connections"

[18:31:30]

sixy:

ok – nevermind ive solved it

[18:32:33]

Juski:

evening Coume :-)

[18:32:58]

Juski:

been setting up a HDD – juggling PSUs n stuff

[18:33:08]

Coume:

Juski, is Mythtvtalk.com also inaccessible from your place?

[18:33:14]

Coume:

Juski, for the backend?

[18:33:29]

Juski:

Coume: forums are fine here

[18:33:52]

Juski:

Coume: backend is virtually all done

[18:34:39]

Coume:

Juski, will order my CF card this week so I should be sorted with the hardware for the forntend pretty soon :)

[18:35:00]

Juski:

ntl must be having dns issues again

[18:35:10]

andy123:

janneg: tanks one again. I was so caught up looking for it in the capture card section that I missed it totally. It makes more sense for it to be in input connections too. Im having a brain fade day :)

[18:36:00]

Coume:

Juski, yeah seems so... but only with mythtvtalk.com ...

[18:36:13]

Juski:

Coume: I can't get google or the bbc site here

[18:37:34]

** Juski might wear shorts to work tomorrow. be afraid. be very afraid :-P **

[18:37:51]

Coume:

ok so it must be NTL... good I thought the server was still playing around

[18:38:22]

andy123:

Juski: I dreamt of shorts today at work! I commute by motorbike so I was in full leathers. Spare a thought for me!

[18:38:47]

** Coume has to be in suit... **

[18:39:09]

andy123:

I'd rather be in my leathers, lol

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[18:40:40]

Juski:

you can wear shorts with a suit.. in bad taste land ;-)

[18:40:58]

andy123:

[18:42:00]

Coume:

eheh

[18:42:10]

** Beirdo MIGHT wear a shirt tomorrow **

[18:42:19]

** Coume will have a motorbike one day oh yeah **

[18:42:32]

** gutano will probably never have a motor bike **

[18:42:34]

** gutano cries **

[18:42:56]

andy123:

Coume: best thing I ever did! I only bought it to get around the congestion charge in London but it's become a passion.

[18:42:57]

** Beirdo has been forbidden to ever get one... and isn't heartbroken at all **

[18:43:12]

andy123:

lol, I was forbidden until i just went out and bought one anyway

[18:43:19]

Beirdo:

my wife lost a brother on a motorbike

[18:43:28]

andy123:

ouch, I'm sorry to hear that

[18:43:30]

Beirdo:

I ain't gonna mess with one

[18:43:42]

andy123:

I can understand.

[18:43:44]

Coume:

andy123, u don't pay the congestion charge with motorbike??????

[18:43:46]

Beirdo:

that was a few years back, but still :)

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Goose-BA:

when i try to run mythweb in .19 version i get this error http://pastebin.com/763035

[18:44:17]

gutano:

not like traffic is better now (not sure where you live, but traffic just seems to get worse with time everywhere)

[18:44:18]

andy123:

nope, no congestion charge on bikes. The tube drove me crazy so I needed a way out. The CC made a car impossible (and parking)

[18:44:31]

Beirdo:

I should go outside and work on my tan :)

[18:44:31]

andy123:

you're right, traffic is no better really

[18:44:34]

Beirdo:

muhahaha

[18:44:43]

Beirdo:

just got a telemarketer call in Spanish

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gutano:

argh, everytime I change channels (watching live tv), my ivtv drivers hangs... wonder if I have the wrong tuner...

[18:46:36]

** gutano starts experimenting **

[18:46:40]

Coume:

andy123, I'm currently checking the laws UK/French/EU ... as I might be able to get the A1 licence fro free in doing some stuff in France and then exchange it against an English one :P

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andy123:

if you can do it anywhere other than the UK, that is very good. The test in the UK is one of the hardest I believe

[18:47:50]

andy123:

plus it's expensive! Cost me about £600 to learn

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Beirdo:

ick!

[18:48:05]

Beirdo:

that's a lot of poundage

[18:48:24]

andy123:

yeah, and that's a 5 day intensive course, so it's all over before you realise it!

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Goose-BA:

any ideas on that Beirdo

[18:48:51]

Beirdo:

ideas?

[18:48:54]

Goose-BA:

when i try to run mythweb in .19 version i get this error http://pastebin.com/763035

[18:48:56]

Coume:

andy123, it is MUCH harder in France that's why I want to pass it here!! especially the theory is damned tricky in France since the last law change

[18:49:13]

kormoc:

Goose-BA, did you follow the instructions?

[18:49:17]

andy123:

but then my tube pass was £90 per month, and the bike costs me about £30 a month to run (and it's a sports bike)

[18:49:27]

Goose-BA:

kormoc: yes i did

[18:49:30]

Beirdo:

the error message pretty much tells you what to do

[18:49:31]

andy123:

really? Harder in France. Wow, that must be really solid

[18:49:38]

Goose-BA:

yea i looked at .htaccess

[18:49:42]

Goose-BA:

didn't see anything to change

[18:49:47]

andy123:

deffo do it here then

[18:49:51]

Coume:

andy123, before the 5 days have you drove a motorbike or was it the first time?

[18:49:54]

kormoc:

Goose-BA, what about the allowoverride settings?

[18:49:59]

kormoc:

Goose-BA, and the mod_env?

[18:50:09]

kormoc:

both of which are not in the .htaccess file

[18:50:19]

kormoc:

both of which are covered in the instructions

[18:50:19]

Goose-BA:

yea those are already in place from when i configured it for .18

[18:50:37]

kormoc:

0.19 changed how things worked

[18:50:39]

andy123:

Coume: that was my first (apart from a little go when I was 11 off road) :) The intensive course it pretty good really

[18:50:47]

kormoc:

you need to reread how to set it up

[18:51:03]

Coume:

andy123, I had my car theory in 98. I could not get it again in France... except with taking lots of fake test... in england, the practive questions are the same than the exam... the exam in France is confidential.,..

[18:51:53]

andy123:

Coume: ahh. The theory test in the UK is a bit of a joke. I was thinking more about the DAS part of the bike test (the test that lets you go straight to any bike you want). There is an easier test if you only want a 125cc

[18:53:16]

andy123:

Better do it sooner rather than later. There is a new EU directive coming in in the next few years. It will raise the age of when you can take a bike test (may or may not bother you) plus make it harder

[18:53:53]

andy123:

I think it changes in 2008. You'll need to be 24 to get a 500cc+ bike and have done 3 tests along the way :/

[18:54:12]

** kormoc sorta likes that idea **

[18:54:27]

andy123:

now, you just do a CBT (intensive course day 1) and then striaght to learning on the bigger stuff

[18:54:49]

Coume:

andy123, do u have to learn stuff before CBT?

[18:55:14]

andy123:

I think it depends on the person. I know people who shouldn't be on two wheels at the age of 40, let alone 21. But equally, I know 16year olds responsible enough to jump on a 1 litre bike (not that I'd ever recommend that)

[18:55:49]

kormoc:

andy123, sure, but in the interest of protecting the general public, an age restriction on something that really isn't required seems fair

[18:56:39]

kormoc:

andy123, given, in the US, I have never in my life rode a motercycle on the road, yet I have a full licence for it. I would have perfered for it to be a bit harder.

[18:56:50]

andy123:

I'm one of these people that doesn't like legislation to protect us against ourselves. I believe in the theory of evolution and survival of the strongest/brightest :)

[18:56:57]

kormoc:

heh

[18:57:08]

andy123:

ah, some countries, it's a real joke, I agree totally

[18:57:15]

kormoc:

sure, but I dislike it when those week/stupid crash into me at 80 miles per hour

[18:57:18]

andy123:

I believe the US is one of those countries

[18:57:36]

andy123:

yes, the 3rd party is the bit that's hard to swallow with my way of thinking

[18:57:56]

andy123:

Coume: it wont let me send private messages :/ I'm unregistered

[18:58:10]

sixy:

andy – i agree with you except when peoples stupidity and inability can kill other people – eg driving

[18:58:27]

sixy:

but let them walk off cliffs all they want

[18:58:28]

Coume:

no problem andy123 :) was the driving school in London?

[18:58:42]

andy123:

maybe people should have to take an IQ test as well, lol :) But yes, I see your points completely

[18:59:02]

andy123:

Yes, it was in the very North (Harrow) where it's not as manic

[18:59:10]

andy123:

don't think I'd fancy it in central London

[18:59:39]

andy123:

What you soon learn is it's hard going slow on a bike, going 20mph+ is easy. So you want to go places with little traffic to give yourself an easy time

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andy123:

the gyroscopic effect of the wheels and crank make the bike more and more stable as you speed up

[19:00:44]

** Coume would be interested to know the name of your school as you said it was good! I am currently looking for a job in London and once I relocated from Luton that will be licence time!!! **

[19:01:04]

** andy123 tries to find a link **

[19:01:16]

** stuarta points out that in London you don't need a car **

[19:02:18]

ben:

**stuarta is off his mind

[19:02:19]

andy123:

http://www.ads-training.co.uk/

[19:02:47]

andy123:

lmao, quite! Public transport is pretty evil, although apparently quite good compared to other places. I can't fathom it myself

[19:02:47]

** stuarta spends a lot of time in the pub **

[19:03:02]

andy123:

ahhh, that is a good reason then

[19:03:49]

andy123:

Coume, click on the bike and you'll see they have 3 training centers. I went to the Harrow one which is actually based in a very big bike dealership

[19:05:45]

andy123:

it was just a case of booking and showing up. There was nothing that I had to know/do before – apart from the theory test (ADS will book that for you if you like, but it has to be well in advance of the rest of the training in case you need to re-sit)

[19:06:49]

andy123:

theory is 30 multiple choice questions and a hazard perception test – which is only hard if you dont know how to use a computer/mouse. Seriously, I saw people waving the mouse in the air and pressing it against the screen on the on-screen buttons

[19:08:21]

psofa:

hey stuarta did you check the utf8 thing?

[19:08:39]

Coume:

lol andy123 :)

[19:08:58]

Coume:

I bookmarked the site URL

[19:09:58]

dev:

myth uses latin1 or whatever

[19:10:01]

dev:

not utf8

[19:12:06]

andy123:

Coume: good luck with it, you'll love it

[19:12:21]

andy123:

but be careful, there are nutters everywhere!

[19:13:09]

dev:

bring a cracker

[19:13:11]

Coume:

andy123, yeah... just scared... right now I drive a *bit* too fast with my French plate, I will have trouble repecting the speed limits...

[19:13:50]

psofa:

dev, im talking about importing an utf8 xmltv file

[19:14:06]

dev:

into mythconverg db?

[19:14:28]

sixy:

does anyone know a way to run a bash script as root when gnome starts? (fc5)

[19:15:15]

dev:

sixy: when gdm starts or when you actually start x?

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andy123:

Coume, it's more about how you treat other road users than speed. Best advice I ever got for the bike was assume everyone else is an idiot and you won't be dissappointed very often

[19:15:48]

sixy:

well its going to start mythfrontend and irxevent, plus mess with some environment variables

[19:16:12]

dev:

doesnt answer my question :P

[19:16:15]

sixy:

so ideally after gnome has finished starting up

[19:16:34]

Coume:

andy123, I'm used to believe that... you can't believe how some nice *Brit* react when they see you are French... they block the road, overtake stupidly, etc...

[19:16:54]

sixy:

basically i want this to be the very last startup command run by the system, whichever that is

[19:16:56]

laga:

s/brit/germans/ ;)

[19:17:16]

laga:

a friend of mine breaks out in sweat as soon as he sees a yellow licence plate

[19:17:48]

andy123:

Coume: are you sure it's just because you're French? They are pretty bad to everyone, lol. I suppose they might be even worse to you though!

[19:18:24]

sixy:

dev: does that aswer your question?

[19:19:30]

Coume:

andy123, a gf *quite cute* with STRONG French accent... pinched a tyre, was trying a change the wheel. A guy stopped, she started to speak. He said "EHEHEH you are French.... We are going to beat you at the World Cup...." and left her there

[19:19:39]

dev:

its pretty vague, but where you probably want to look, is xinitrc

[19:19:54]

psofa:

dev, yes into the db

[19:20:05]

dev:

psofa: you need to use latin1

[19:20:12]

sixy:

is that in ~ or /etc?

[19:20:23]

andy123:

Coume: that's horrendous. I'd help twice as much if I came across a cute french chick :) I love that accent!

[19:20:43]

dev:

~/.xinitrc

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andy123:

what a shame. The French were great to me when I went on a road trip over there last month.

[19:21:03]

sixy:

thanks

[19:21:13]

dev:

sixy: if fedora is like rhes then it doesnt exist, and there's redhat magic that starts gnome. if you create it, you'll have to put the full path to gnome-session in it first

[19:21:16]

psofa:

dev, you mean i cant have characters other than latin in myxmltv files or sth else?

[19:21:19]

Coume:

andy123, that's why surprised me even more but really drive with a French plate and you will see you will be horned for nothing *especially* in Luton lol

[19:21:32]

dev:

background it with &, then put your commands you want to run underneath, with the final one, like mythfrontend, not backgrounded

[19:21:48]

andy123:

Coume: you need to leave Luton ASAP. I wouldn't wish that place on anybody!

[19:21:54]

dev:

psofa: no idea what you have in there ;) i just know everything mythtv related is latin1

[19:21:57]

dev:

not utf8

[19:22:28]

Coume:

andy123, I will be one year at beginning of July... but I'm quite busy job hunting righ tnow, so I hope to find something in London ASAP

[19:23:12]

andy123:

Coume, what job aer you after? Not a C/C++ programmer by any chance?

[19:24:16]

sixy:

dev: i suspect it is the same. how do i find the path to gnome-session?

[19:24:45]

Coume:

andy123, nop. I am into sales/marketing :) tech stuff is a hobby even if I'm crap at it :P

[19:24:48]

dev:

sixy: you could use find, which, whereis, maybe even locate

[19:25:30]

andy123:

Coume, I'll see if we have anything like that open atm

[19:26:58]

Coume:

andy123, cheers

[19:27:04]

sixy:

dev: find | grep gnome-session gives a lot of output, does ~/.gconf/apps/gnome-session look right?

[19:27:26]

sixy:

there is also /usr/bin/gnome-session

[19:27:47]

sixy:

and a lot of other misc. stuff

[19:28:44]

dev:

sixy: use whereis, you're looking for the gnome-session bin not config

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sixy:

ok thanks. it was the /usr/bin one

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dev:

tbh i dont know what voodoo redhat spins to get gnome to start at startup without .xsession or .xinitrc

[19:31:18]

dev:

but they do!

[19:31:19]

dev:

heh

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andy123:

Coume, check here: http://www.uk.clara.net/recruit/. It's a nice company to work for

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Coume:

OMG.... Channel 4... the guy is explaning that he spend more money in booze and cocaine than he earns per year...

[19:35:02]

** stuarta reminds himself not to watch channel4 **

[19:35:12]

Tired_:

Not sure if this is the right place to be asking, but how well does MythTV support the recent nVidia card with their PureVideo stuff?

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stuarta:

the question to ask is how do the drivers support that card?

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Tired_:

Looking to upscale SDTV to look nicer at a higher resolution.

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stuarta:

the answer to your question = the answer to that question

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Coume:

ok time to go hoover :) see ya and thxs for the info andy123 ;)

[19:36:20]

stuarta:

upscaling won't make it look nicer, just bigger

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sixy:

tired purevideo is a windows software decoder

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Tired_:

really? so i got sucked in by marketing-speak :/

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sixy:

yes. it does make use of some fancy video stuff on the hardware, however

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Tired_:

I got the 6200, specifically for this Myth box.

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ben:

tired, a proper software interpolator will do a better job than if you're just piping a raw feed at a tv

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Jim__:

how hard is it to get a xbox (like not done anything to) to run mythfrontend? how hard is it to get linux on em?

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Tired_:

But if it's Windows-only, i guess i should have stayed with my GeForce 4

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sixy:

tired i dont know exactly what hardwrae decoding features are supported by the linux driver, but i doubt you will notice a difference even in windows to be honest

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** Tired_ sighs and goes to look for the receipt. Thanks for the honest answer. **

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sixy:

no problem :)

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dev:

Jim__: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Fro . . . ile_with_SVN

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dev:

Jim__: the wiki is a good thing

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** Tired_ also resolves to research more thoroughly Linux features before buying the hardware. **

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stuarta:

oh good, bbc hd have finally started transmitting proper epg data

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Jim__:

dev, but does that require putting linux on there first?

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ben:

yay

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kormoc:

Tired_, while you can't use purevideo percey, you can use XvMC

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dev:

Jim__: the link covers everything, check it out.

[19:41:27]

Jim__:

thanks!

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kormoc:

Tired_, XvMC is mpeg2 decoding via the videocard

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dev:

np

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kormoc:

Tired_, very useful for HDTV

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Tired_:

kormoc -> compatible with the mpeg2 the PVR-150 spits out?

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kormoc:

Tired_, yes

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Tired_:

I don't have an HDTV signal, just SD

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Tired_:

Trying to make it look better on my EDTV

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kormoc:

sixy, pure video is akin to XvMC only with WMV support as well, and it is not just softwar,e it is hardware

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Jim__:

dev, will doing what that howto says (waiting for it to load) will it kill my ability to use xbox as what its intended to do?

[19:42:49]

gutano:

anyone else have a pvr150, have troubles changing channels while viewing?

[19:42:51]

kormoc:

Tired_, worth a try, it does cut cpu usage for playback by a good bit

[19:43:04]

kormoc:

Tired_, I use XvMC on my mythbox on a 6200 just for the cpu savings

[19:43:21]

Tired_:

Is KnoppMyth still the easiest way to get it up and running to test it out?

[19:43:42]

kormoc:

likely

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Tired_:

ok, I'll check it out with both my cards and see what my eye likes better.

[19:44:38]

kormoc:

the 6200 should have a much better tv out then the geforce 4 anyway

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Tired_:

oddly, my 6200 only has composite out, but my 4 has s-video.

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bluey-:

6200 only composite?!

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kormoc:

weird, my 6200 does svideo, composite and component

[19:45:29]

Tired_:

The cheap Asus one i bought, yes.

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dev:

Jim__: no.

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bluey-:

mhh just ordered a 6200 card

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bluey-:

don't scare me :)

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kormoc:

Tired_, did you get a turbo cache one?

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bluey-:

kormorc: which 6200 do you have?

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Tired_:

N6200/TD/128 AGP

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Tired_:

Not TC

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kormoc:

ahh, kk

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kormoc:

bluey-, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127203

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sixy:

kormoc – purevideo is mostly a sfotware decoder that also makes use of some special features of the nvidia hardware

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Tired_:

Can one adapt the DVI-I out to component, somehow?

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bluey-:

and how's the picture quality of the s-video out?

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sixy:

mainly stuff like wmv accelleration, but purevideo decoder will work on ati hardware

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kormoc:

sixy, yes, the hardware mpeg2 and WMV decoding, which means it's not just a software decoder...

[19:47:42]

kormoc:

sure, with no benifits

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kormoc:

bluey-, quite nice overall, I have a really crappy tv, so that's my limiting factor, not the card

[19:48:04]

sixy:

kormoc – my point is that this software is only availiable for windows, and i dont know how much of this has been written into the linux driver

[19:48:36]

kormoc:

Tired_, I would imagine so, but quite costly likely

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** Tired_ mutters something about proprietary drivers... **

[19:48:46]

kormoc:

sixy, well, XvMC is hardware mpeg2 decoding for linux.

[19:48:47]

sixy:

plus i noticed very little difference between running the purevideo decoder on ati hardwaare and geforce 6 series hardware

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** kormoc shrugs **

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sixy:

yes, but its no unique to nvidia 6/7 series

[19:49:15]

kormoc:

I get 20% cpu usage difference between with/without XvMC

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kormoc:

neather is purevideo

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sixy:

im not saying dont use xvmc, just aht thre is no requirement to have a nvidia 6-series graphics card to get it working

[19:50:21]

kormoc:

Did anyone say you had to?

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sixy:

you may as well use a geforce 4/5 as the results will be very similar in linux if not identical

[19:50:29]

kormoc:

ACtually, that's not true

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Tired_:

oh, another thought...is there a plugin of some kind for MythVideo to allow me to play back stored MPEG-4 video from a network drive using NTFS?

[19:50:41]

dev:

xvmc doesnt work on either of my nvidia cards

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dev:

fx5700 or gf4 mx

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kormoc:

my 6200 outperforms my 5200 by about 5% or so

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sixy:

well it has been in my experiance

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sixy:

5%. wow.

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kormoc:

(in HD playback)

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sixy:

and when you consider that the test probably has a accuracy of +/- 10%....

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Juski:

faster ram makes a difference, I've heard

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Scopeuk_:

Tired_

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kormoc:

sixy, Ooh? is linux really that imperceise?

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Scopeuk_:

share the drive usign samba then go to your myth video folder and ad a directory

[19:52:01]

sixy:

no, but your testing is

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kormoc:

ooh? why is that?

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Scopeuk_:

then type mount -t smbfs //host/share /your/myth/.video/folder

[19:52:39]

Scopeuk_:

[20:50] <Tired_> oh, another thought...is there a plugin of some kind for MythVideo to allow me to play back stored MPEG-4 video from a network drive using NTFS?

[19:52:41]

Tired_:

it's already shared on the network, and accessible to other linux boxes through Samba, so i should be ok, then?

[19:52:42]

sixy:

unless you have two systems freshly installed side by side with exactly the same settings and content, i have little faith in such benchmarks

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Scopeuk_:

id guess from that its a windows box

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kormoc:

sixy, same machine, different videocard

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Scopeuk_:

i mean why whld any one else criple themselfs with ntfs

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kormoc:

sixy, three runs, 5200, 6200, 5200, 6200, 5200, 6200

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Tired_:

yeah, the storage drive is in a windows box

[19:53:20]

sixy:

benchmarks as a species are notoriously unreliable, even more so when vauge results are given on irc from a users 'observations'

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kormoc:

sixy, based on dropped frames while playing back 3 1080i videos at the same time launched via a script

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sixy:

if you truly have done a proper test then i apologise, however you gave no implication this was the case

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Tired_:

this is user-touser support...i wouldn't expect exacting scientific methodology

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kormoc:

sixy, honestly, even if I said that I did a proper test when I said my claim, I would doubt that you would have beleived me any more...

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sixy:

tired – thats my point

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sixy:

"my 6200 outperforms my 5200 by about 5% or so" – yeah cos that gives me such confidence in your results

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Scopeuk_:

Tired all you have to do is share the folder the media sis stored in then mount it

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Scopeuk_:

on your linux box

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kormoc:

sixy, and does my explaining about how I arrived at my conclusion change anyhting? you still seem to think that my testing was bad...

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Tired_:

Scopeuk_ -> so it's no different than sharing a data-containing drive, than a video-containing one, is what you're saying?

[19:56:31]

Scopeuk_:

yes

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Scopeuk_:

video is jsut a data file

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Tired_:

ok :)

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sixy:

kormoc – i am inhernatly suspicious of benchmarks, as there are litteraly thousands of variables which are hard to control, and even the most scientific test has a degree of innacuracy

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sixy:

a sign of an accurate test is that the tester knows what degree of innacuracy is present

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Tired_:

well, thank you for your clarifications and advice. I'm going to go try this out for myself.

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sixy:

always the best idea

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Scopeuk_:

hell the fact the fridge has jsut shut down it motor next door but 1 will have an effect on the stability of the hardware and effect your benchmark even if its only by a very small margin

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kormoc:

sixy, I didn't wath to bother looking up my results, given noone other then you were expecting exact numbers...

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sixy:

you cannot expect us to take to heart such vauge claims about such a small performance difference.

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

I never ment it as a 'selling' point, just what I've found in my own case

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kormoc:

it was upto tired_ to decide where he cared or not

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sixy:

if its just what youve found, dont use it to try to suggest other are wrong

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kormoc:

I never sudgested others were wrong, just stating what I've found

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sixy:

i dont care what youve found, as log as you dont try to use it to say what ive found is wrong

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sixy:

<kormoc> ACtually, that's not true

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kormoc:

given XvMC is netoriously flaky depending on the motherboard, it's all suspect

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sixy:

try scrolling

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dev:

yeah xvmc doesnt work on my nforce2 boards

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dev:

one has gf4 mx, other is 5700le

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dev:

xvmc works, but its crap

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kormoc:

sixy, the actually that's not true was about my line above yours, about people saying you needed a 6xxx or 7xxx card for pure video

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kormoc:

sixy, my mistake for making that unclear at the time.

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sixy:

no worries. althogh fyi – i have built a lot of systems that dont use a gf6/7 series card and yet use purevideo as thier softwre decoder. it runs perfectly

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kormoc:

aye, I was sure at the launch of the purevideo, nvidia was saying that it would work on any nvidia card, they jsut changed their stance

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sixy:

it works on ati cards too – just not all the fancy upscaling. best decoder for windows mce out there atm

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sixy:

does the gnome sessions gui run startup commands as user or as root?

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xris:

sixy: the user, of course

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sixy:

bleh

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sixy:

its surprisingly hard to run startup commands with fc5 and gnome as root

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sixy:

.xinitrc doesnt work – it seems its bypassed by fedora

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xris:

sixy: it's bypassed by the WM, I think

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xris:

and that wouldn't execute as root, either.

[20:16:21]

xris:

just put that user and command in /etc/sudoers as a passwordless option and call it via sudo

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sixy:

it really shouldnt be this hard. i would just use sudo in my script, but sudo breaks part of the script

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xris:

sudo shouldn't make a difference

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sixy:

ive got a rather odd x setup and the way sudo handles enviromnet variables means that the tirckery i have to do with the variables doesnt work properly

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sixy:

btw – how can the mythdvd play a dvd fine, but not find it when i got rip it?

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sixy:

*go to

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Juski:

oooooh fuck. I've no jfs support in my kernel :-/

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Juski:

can't really go putting ext3 or anything on a USB stick now can I? ;-)

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sixy:

ext2?

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sixy:

vfat?

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Juski:

would ext2 be ok?

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laga:

why not?

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Juski:

I dunno...

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Juski:

that's why I asked ;-)

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sixy:

yes, in theory, however vfat is in general the most reliable filesystem for removeble usb disks

[20:24:32]

laga:

you could also make most of the FS read-only (different partitions) and use nifty things like squashfs or tmpfs/ramfs.

[20:24:40]

laga:

sixy: most reliable? how's that?

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sixy:

as it hadles being yanked from the computer without being de-mounted better than the others

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Juski:

I got sick of trying to figure out how to use dsl to do a proper install

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laga:

Juski: but for the s10, you prolly don't wanna use too much RAM ;)

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sixy:

however as ext isnt a journalising file system that should be fine too

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Juski:

I have a feeling that this is gonna be too big for the usb stick

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sixy:

*ext2

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sixy:

hmmm myth dvd ripper doesnt like some dvds – but they all play fine. :odd:

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sixy:

its fast tho – 6 mins for a whole dvd at perfect quality :D

[20:29:07]

Juski:

hmm a stage3 won't fit on a 128M stick

[20:29:21]

Juski:

I need that ready made thing from that forum...

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sixy:

juski – burn to cd? what distor are you trying to install?

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sixy:

*distro

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Juski:

sixy: booting from cd isn't working too well & I dunno why. maybe the rom drive is on the fritza.. downloading a new cd now

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sixy:

does the hash check out?

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Juski:

god know. its a 2005 CD

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sixy:

gentoo 2005?

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sixy:

if so the stage 3 tarball is only ~80 meg

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laga:

Juski: i compiled gentoo on my desktop box and net-booted it.

[20:36:03]

sixy:

http://gentoo.blueyonder.co.uk/releases/x86/2005.1/stages/x86/

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Juski:

laga: fucking hell I'm not compiling all of gentoo

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Juski:

sixy: I know

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laga:

Juski: only 12 hours for me.

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sixy:

80 meg should fit on your usb stick then?

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sixy:

:confused:

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Juski:

untarred?

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Zider:

2005? eww

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Zider:

that's ages old :P

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Zider:

especially 2..5.1 ;)

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Zider:

2005.1

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sixy:

cant you untar it on the target system?

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** kormoc still uses his trusty gentoo 1.2 install cd **

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sixy:

heh

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Juski:

sixy: on the target system.. hmmm... that's what the device will be plugged into ultimately

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** Zider uses his trusty 2006.1 customized mimimal-cd :P **

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kormoc:

Juski, if you really need it on the usb stick, maybe formatting the usb stick as cramfs might help

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laga:

Juski: what about going zenslack?

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sixy:

juski – i havent been following exactly what you are trying to do, but every time ive installed gentoo ive downloaded the stage3 as a tarball and extracted it on the system i was installing on to

[20:40:40]

Juski:

laga: what about it? I can't get it

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laga:

Juski: did you ask them for the pass?

[20:40:57]

Juski:

laga: ask who? the forums are down

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Zider:

stage3 is "default" and recommended install stage as of 2006.x

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Juski:

oo hang on.. someone fixed em

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sixy:

does anyone know how to refresh the file list in mythvideo? its not working :(

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kormoc:

sixy, it's under settings I beleive...

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Juski:

sixy: utils/setup > video manager

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kormoc:

One of these days I'll finish my wiki-ing of the menu structure

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sixy:

ah got it. thanks

[20:44:08]

sixy:

still confused by the dvd ripper tho

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sixy:

oh well – guess it might be a content-protection issue

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scopeuk:

kormoc there isa job that whould take all of us emany weeks

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scopeuk:

although it could make a good group interactiveity activity

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sixy:

heh

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scopeuk:

asign each regular user 1 config page to document

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sixy:

not a bad idea, actually

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sixy:

i could do the exit menu ;)

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kormoc:

scopeuk, heh, well, it'll be on the wiki when I get a little time, so people can add and expand it as needed/wanted

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Juski:

pm sent

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scopeuk:

ok this probably isent the right place but do we use our own xmltv databaseiser (cant think of corect phrasheology atm) when there is one avaliable already http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmltv2db

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stuarta:

mythfilldatabase?

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scopeuk:

i know we have myth fill which is great but it jsutseams liek everythign we can use from else where is one less thing the myth devs have to do

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laga:

Programming Language : Java

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scopeuk:

argh ok

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laga:

last release is from april 2004.

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scopeuk:

ok laga i take your point

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scopeuk:

abandoned project in a bad language

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laga:

and xmltv2db probably doesn't really know about video sources and stuff.

[21:01:44]

scopeuk:

fair enough

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laga:

and don't get me started on --manual ;)

[21:02:13]

scopeuk:

i know

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scopeuk:

unfurtunately some of us live outside the land of milk and honey with zap2it and have to suffer with xmltv which is crap on a stick

[21:03:00]

kormoc:

You could rewrite it!

[21:03:14]

scopeuk:

technicaly no i couldent

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scopeuk:

i could make it add numbers to geather in basic but im rearly what one whould class as a none coder

[21:04:41]

kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

fair nuff

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scopeuk:

spose i could try to write an alternative in php but that has "bad idea" writen all over it

[21:07:20]

** laga holds up a sign **

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scopeuk:

:-)

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Juski:

oh crap

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Juski:

quick one – to unmount a device that is busy....

[21:09:21]

scopeuk:

stop it being busy then umount

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stuarta:

fuser -ck /busy/device/mountpoint

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** stuarta wonders if that only works on solaris **

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Juski:

it closed the ssh I was in

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stuarta:

well clearly you were in the dir that was busy

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Beirdo:

heh

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Juski:

lol... you were spot on

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Juski:

just worked that one out too

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Juski:

this s100 thing is mad. I had it booting from cd okay at work

[21:11:25]

scopeuk:

heh now itmust be bad i do that one

[21:11:35]

scopeuk:

you took it to work?

[21:11:40]

Juski:

yeh

[21:11:46]

scopeuk:

your wifi getting jelous its getting more care and attention?

[21:11:50]

Juski:

fitted the VGA socket & stuff

[21:12:08]

stuarta:

Juski: how do you put 'foreign order' on your timesheet :-)

[21:12:10]

Juski:

I've moved onto the 'next project'...

[21:13:52]

stuarta:

wtf are these QMap's leaking???

[21:14:10]

bagleabuse:

would someone be willing to help me setup my x.org file to do svideo out?

[21:15:01]

laga:

i'm upload pictures of mine now. god damn i suck at taking photos ;)

[21:15:04]

laga:

uploading*

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Beirdo:

25237 gjhurlbu 9 0 117m 14m 14m S 0.0 12.6 36:19.89 irssi

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bagleabuse is now known as achew22

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Beirdo:

what's wrong with this picture?

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Beirdo:

BRB

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achew22:

Beirdo YOUR BACK!

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** achew22 has a party **

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laga:

Juski: http://serve.mythwiki.de/s100/DSCN3675.JPG – rev 5.0, there's the proof! (warning, huge picture. 1mb.)

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** stuarta suffers from lack of focus after looking at laga's photos **

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achew22:

laga there is a lot of repitition in that date: 6.6.2006 21:21

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scopeuk:

laga tripod?

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Juski:

arghhh "reboot and select proper Boot device" :-/

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laga:

achew22: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b289/mag_xpm/emoday.jpg&nbs p;;))

[21:17:28]

scopeuk:

thats camera shake killing that

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mchou:

godamn, cant you take a better pic than that??

[21:17:44]

laga:

scopeuk: too cheap. that's the GF's cam.

[21:17:52]

laga:

mchou: looks fine if it's resized.

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scopeuk:

lage how botu a pile of objects to lean on

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laga:

i'll resize them to 1024x768 as soon as the upload's finished (not a very smart move, indeed)

[21:18:35]

laga:

scopeuk: too lazy to build one. i used a chair, though – it's a real bitch to get good pcitures without the flash

[21:18:41]

Beirdo:

there we go

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Beirdo:

restarted irssi

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achew22:

laga: thats sweet

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achew22:

laga: I have one problem with it though

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achew22:

laga: isn't every day "National Emo Kid Beatdown Day?"

[21:20:20]

Juski:

right.. fucking stupid BIOS!

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Juski:

it boots a DSL CD again

[21:20:35]

mchou:

wtf is an emo?

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** Beirdo hands Juski a stun-gun **

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scopeuk:

laga photo wthout flash http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sportster.johnso . . . DSCF0097.JPG

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laga:

achew22: no, you've gotta make those precious little things feel special.

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scopeuk:

mchou its a trend in the uk

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scopeuk:

waqrnign about above link bloody huge file

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laga:

scopeuk: beating them up?

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scopeuk:

2 meg ish

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laga:

i should move to the UK then

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achew22:

scopeuk: what the hell are those glowing streaks?

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achew22:

ohh its a car

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** Juski hasn't heard of emo... well... there's that guy who used to be reckoned to be funny in the 80s... **

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laga:

scopeuk: looks noisy.

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scopeuk:

laga it looks noisy beocuse the light level was very low

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Juski:

woo it'll boot gentoo now

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laga:

topping sounds tasty

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scopeuk:

eg huge exposure and "enhanced" to be visable

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achew22:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo_%28slang%29

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laga:

http://serve.mythwiki.de/s100/DSCN3681.JPG – the remote is just great for HTPC usage, though

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Zider:

scopeuk: cozy picture

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Juski:

I'm happy that I'm not down wit 'da kidz' to have known what an emo is :-)

[21:23:15]

achew22:

laga: is that a TMobile remote?

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laga:

achew22: t-online

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achew22:

is it IR?

[21:24:04]

laga:

god damn some of those pictures look like i'm in desperate need of crack.

[21:24:08]

scottder:

Hey all just got an HDTV today, plugged in via VGA and it gets no signal, amy thoughts

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Zider:

I have "friends of friends" that is doing that emo-style-thing.. it's ridiculous.. :P

[21:24:12]

laga:

achew22: yeah, i think so.

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scottder:

1360x768

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scottder:

is the native res

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scopeuk:

juski i have a friend in the town centre basicaly leavign his flat requiresknolage of what each group of people (13 – 16 normally) such that we can avoid an attack

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scopeuk:

althogu ha goth and a geek walkign through the town centre has to be a temptign target

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mchou:

well, what's the diff betw. an emo and a goth?

[21:25:38]

Juski:

right I _think_ I'm getting the hang of this fscking weird bios now

[21:25:55]

achew22:

mchou: emos cry themselves to sleep at night

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

listening to morrissey prolly

[21:26:18]

mchou:

i mean that wikipedia article pretty much sums up a goth

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achew22:

I know — thats the difference

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achew22:

and the music is more bearable...

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mchou:

aside from the "eyeglasses"

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Juski:

goths == nicer than chavs though

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Zider:

chavs?

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hashbang:

naw, emo and goth have nothing in commmon, really

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hashbang:

though some folks may listen to both

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mchou:

so like an emo ?= "geeky" goth?

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achew22:

mchou: haaha

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hashbang:

mchou: geeky punk, more like

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achew22:

I think the real difference is why their doing it. Goths are in it to be rebelious, emo are into it to be self loathing and pityfull

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Zider:

geeky goth.. geeth? goky?

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Zider:

achew22: I can be that without the clothes and music ;P

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** hashbang suggests google images is useful here **

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achew22:

has anyone here seen the southpark about goths?

[21:28:37]

hashbang:

oh, and teh g0th chix0rs are cuter.

[21:28:53]

achew22:

hashbang thats a localization thing — emo girls are WAY hotter at my school

[21:28:54]

mchou:

yeah, goth chix are the coolest

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Zider:

there's a rather good band called gothic sex iirc

[21:29:07]

Juski:

contact!!!

[21:29:12]

achew22:

mchou: I'm willing to trade cool for really hot

[21:29:26]

Zider:

Juski: with aliens?

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mchou:

achew22: you know what I meant

[21:29:33]

Juski:

Zider: www.chavscum.co.uk

[21:29:39]

hashbang:

http://eternity8.sempai.org/images/azngoths/h1-6.jpg

[21:29:47]

achew22:

mchou: personal prefrence I guess

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Juski:

I've logged into the s100 over ssh now

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scopeuk:

lol

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achew22:

wow... chavscum...

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Juski:

one set of troubles out of the way..

[21:30:18]

achew22:

what the hell... azngoths!

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stuarta:

are they legal?

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stuarta:

need to grow up that's for sure...

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laga:

scottder: what do you mean? geneva convention?

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scottder:

Ok I think I know the issue

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achew22:

I don't think azngoths are legal

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scottder:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "1360x768" (no mode of this name)

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** Juski bins the useless 128mb usb stick **

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mocker:

Completely off topic, does anyone know a way to prepend a syslog message with a custom string?

[21:32:31]

achew22:

does anyone have any goods links to x.org configuration tutorials for svideo out?

[21:32:33]

Zider:

Juski: you made contact with that site..?

[21:33:12]

Juski:

Zider: no I meant I was able to finally (!) log into my new toy and begin installing linux _properly_

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Zider:

Juski: oooh :D

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mchou:

anyone happen to know what's the maximum allowable current draw on a PS/2 port? I havethis nice USB KB I'd like to use on my (PS/2) KVM......

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Juski:

mchou: I dunno if there's a spec for that but it won't be that great

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mchou:

plugged the KB in and it dont work

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Juski:

USB is about 500mA IIRC

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mchou:

Juski: hell, I knew THAT

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Juski:

heh. nm

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mchou:

the question is PS/2

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Zider:

275mA

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hashbang:

http://mikesmith6467.fotopic.net/p14654640.html # fairly typical UK goth chix0r

[21:38:32]

Zider:

hashbang: pretty cute.. but a bit too skinny.. :P

[21:39:14]

hashbang:

Zider: oh, we have pudgy goths too

[21:39:21]

Zider:

"pudgy"? :)

[21:39:32]

hashbang:

http://mikesmith6467.fotopic.net/p14654679.html

[21:39:43]

Zider:

ehm

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mchou:

hashbang: she looks old

[21:39:49]

Zider:

too much the other way :P

[21:40:07]

mchou:

hashbang: like too old to be a goth

[21:40:28]

stuarta:

the term you are looking for is "moose"

[21:40:38]

hashbang:

http://mikesmith6467.fotopic.net/p14654637.html

[21:40:40]

mchou:

hashbang: maybe it's the drugs :)

[21:41:01]

Zider:

hashbang: cute :)

[21:41:05]

stuarta:

or beergoggles....

[21:41:10]

hashbang:

well, a fair number of elder goths will have grown up using whizz...

[21:41:35]

Zider:

whizz? isn't that a powdery candy that fizzles in your mouth?

[21:41:44]

laga:

Zider: in your nose, probably

[21:41:54]

Juski:

whizz (sl) == speed

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Zider:

oh.. :P

[21:42:39]

Juski:

or if you like it interesting, the former :-P

[21:42:51]

Zider:

I'm getting some speed delivered soon

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Zider:

100Mbit

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Juski:

oh btw laga.. the USB on these babies is 2.0

[21:43:23]

speedsix:

why would items show in the 'Recording Schedules' yet not in the Scheduled Recordings?

[21:43:30]

laga:

Juski: awesome

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Beirdo:

I hate blog spammers

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Beirdo:

they should all be shot

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laga:

http://serve.mythwiki.de/s100/pictures/resized/ – ok, here we go.

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Beirdo:

I was off on my honeymoon, and some dillholes were busy comment-spamming my blog

[21:51:00]

stuarta:

that's a PITA

[21:51:06]

Beirdo:

yup

[21:51:18]

Beirdo:

spam karma to the rescue

[21:51:27]

Beirdo:

but it will still take a few minutes to clean it up

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Juski:

hmmm... celery mobile... 686 or not 686?

[21:56:23]

laga:

yeah, 686.

[21:56:37]

laga:

should be based on a p3 design

[21:56:44]

Juski:

right

[21:56:53]

Zider:

yeah, P3 and up is 686

[21:57:00]

Juski:

might need to look into using distcc with portage

[21:57:03]

laga:

i've compiled with -march=pentium3 -Os -fomit-framepointer -pipe IIRC

[21:57:16]

laga:

Juski: that's easy. emerge distcc ;). there's also a distcc guide

[21:57:36]

Juski:

cooly

[21:58:45]

Juski:

grabbing me some portage too

[21:58:57]

Juski:

have you started making the box work yet?

[21:59:01]

laga:

humm. my cables should arrive in 14hours. o/

[21:59:08]

Beirdo:

340 comment spam removed

[21:59:09]

Beirdo:

nice

[22:01:22]

laga:

night guys. ;)

[22:01:39]

Juski:

g'night

[22:01:43]

scottder:

ok well VGA is working at 800x600, but I really want to get it to native res

[22:01:56]

mchou:

so Beirdo, did you have to get a visa in order to get married?

[22:02:01]

Beirdo:

no

[22:02:28]

Zider:

why would you need visa for that?

[22:02:56]

mchou:

Zider: cause Beirdo is a forengi

[22:03:55]

Zider:

forengi? foreigner or ferenghi?

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scopeuk:

juski ntl pissing you about tonight?

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Juski:

scopeuk – seems ok now. had dns issues earlier

[22:14:20]

scopeuk:

snap

[22:14:27]

scopeuk:

then they came back abotu 10 mins ago

[22:14:32]

scopeuk:

and again now it whould apear

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scopeuk:

cant get on dailymail or google

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

dailymail

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scopeuk:

was followign a link from slashdot

[22:16:14]

Juski:

they're blocked now

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Juski:

:-P

[22:16:24]

scopeuk:

some single man strap on wing or something

[22:16:51]

scopeuk:

cant even get my blody email when it goes down

[22:16:57]

scopeuk:

first site to go every tiem is google

[22:17:02]

Juski:

the only news worth seeing today was the result of the govt's study into drm

[22:17:03]

scopeuk:

google goes so does my blody email

[22:17:10]

scopeuk:

yeh that was itneresting

[22:19:41]

scottder:

i assume 1360x768 isn't a standard mode to use

[22:19:49]

Juski:

"Elite special forces troops being dropped behind enemy lines on covert missions are to ditch their traditional parachutes in favour of strap-on stealth wings.".. lol

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scopeuk:

i jsut wanted a picture

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Juski:

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/06/skyr . . . _228x253.jpg

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scopeuk:

cant resolve dailymail.co.uk

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Cool! That looks like fun

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** scopeuk wonders if ntl whould be pissed if he nailed through a bus bar into the ntl coax **

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kormoc:

that's not the question, the question should be, would they notice?

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scopeuk:

probably not

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scopeuk:

hi id jsut liek to inform you that you gren box thingy at the end of my streat is makign lud crakeling noises and smells liek burning

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scopeuk:

and my internet is all fubared

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scopeuk:

you knwo liek when you lot piss off for a bank holiday and leave tech suport ot hte indians

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scottder:

all I wan to do is 1360x768 at 60hz

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Juski:

oh hell my gentoo is rusty

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Juski:

chosts.. wha?

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kormoc:

that's okay, mine is rustproof

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kormoc:

Juski, chost is the machine host target it is compiling for

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Juski:

yup

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kormoc:

so what's your question bout it?

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Juski:

trying to find a list of options to use for pentium-m. laga said he'd used -march=pentium3 -Os -fomit-framepointer -pipe .. but what'd that make chost ?

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kormoc:

no change

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stuarta:

Juski: just wondering, still running eit-branch?

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Juski:

so "i686-pc-linux-gnu" then...

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kormoc:

really, the only time a typical user will change that is when they'd move to a 64 bit platform

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kormoc:

aye

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Juski:

stuarta: nah not played with svn for a while now

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Juski:

kormoc: cheers. pity the info is so hard to find online. even the install docs don't give much info

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Juski:

lol... saying that, it helps when you spell 'pentium' correctly

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kormoc:

heh, they actually tend to say leave it alone :)

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kormoc:

-pipe is great if you have a nice bit of ram

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kormoc:

but if this is a low ram box, you might want to skip it

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Juski:

128mb.. is that 'low' then?

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kormoc:

Juski, and btw, confcache is working rather well now

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kormoc:

hrm, depends on what you are compiling

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Juski:

kormoc: everything, basically

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kormoc:

kde/qt yeah it's low, server stuff, not so low

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Juski:

lightweight wm, myth fe...

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kormoc:

I'd leave it be then

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Juski:

ta

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kormoc:

if you notice a lot of swapping while compiling, then try removing the -pipe, but it should be fine

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Juski:

oo I finally found the 'safe cflags' wiki page

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kormoc:

heh

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Juski:

already got the right choices it seems :-)

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kormoc:

I tended to use -O2 on my p3's, but it likely doesn't matter that much

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Juski:

oh lordy.. use flags.. I remember them

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kormoc:

per package is the new hotness if you don't already know

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Juski:

wonder if I dare just do an emerge mythtv :-)

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kormoc:

heh, will likely complain

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kormoc:

as QT doesn't have the mysql use flag by default

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Juski:

true

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Juski:

I can steal use flags from my other box actually

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Juski:

been so long since I even looked at it I dunno where i'm at

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kormoc:

echo "x11-libs/qt mysql" >> /etc/portage/package.use

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kormoc:

tack on opengl useflag as well if you want opengl

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Juski:

this is all fun, but where it'll really start is when I begin to get the intel video driver going

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kormoc:

echo 'VIDEO_CARDS="i810"' >> /etc/make.conf

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achew22:

is there an rc update on ubuntu?

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Juski:

update.rc.d

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kormoc:

if you are using xorg 7.0, it will bring in the intel 810 driver automatically

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Juski:

cool – I doubt it'll do the focus fs454 tv encoder though

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achew22:

Juski: nope — its update-rc.d I just did update[tab]

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Juski:

damn one char off

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achew22:

close... very close

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kormoc:

INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard mouse" would also help in your make.conf (for xorg 7.0+)

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Juski:

my plan here is to get a working system as a proof of concept, then go about making it as small as possible and diskless

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achew22:

would anyone be willing to help me setup x.org's conf file?

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achew22:

I'm really stuck

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kormoc:

achew22, google is your friend

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achew22:

the tutorials aren't working

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achew22:

I'm going to go play with cables.... I'll be back later

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achew22:

is there a !tell command in this channel

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achew22:

!tell achew22 xorg

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achew22:

guess not

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** Juski wonders how minimal a stage3 install actually is **

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Juski:

over 1GB so far...

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kormoc:

it's not very minimal

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Juski:

can it be trimmed down, is what I'm wondering

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kormoc:

of course

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kormoc:

emerge --unmerge packages

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Juski:

yeah I know that

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Juski:

and I think I can wipe portage out too eventually

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kormoc:

LWM is my light weight manager of choice for mythboxes. 44 kb.

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Juski:

one thing for sure – ain't no Gnome going in my use flags

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Darthy:

i get lots of erros on mythweb like: is_file(): Stat failed for /vol/mythtv/recordings/13003_20060606221500.mpg.png (errno=13 – Permission denied)

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xris:

Darthy: .18?

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Darthy:

these files he tries tot stat are not there.

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Darthy:

to stat

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Darthy:

.18?

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Darthy:

oops sorry.. files are there.. and permission are also set right

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Juski:

doodeedooo....

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xris:

_Darthy: permission on the directory, etc?

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_Darthy:

permissions are set right

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_Darthy:

the files he tried to stat were not there

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_Darthy:

i had to manually delete them from db

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_Darthy:

but why did they come there?

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Juski:

failed recordings?

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_Darthy:

could it be some channels on the db – and therefore shows i tried to record – that i do not have on my satelite for real ?

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Juski:

could very well be that

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Juski:

or what sometimes happens is that your listings show a channel as on air when it isn't

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_Darthy:

how can i next update with mythfilldatabase without adding new channels.. because im just seeing that mythfilldatabase added chans i do not have

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Juski:

there's a file called <something>.xmltv in ~/.mythtv – look there

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Anonycat:

Any idea why I would get a 401 error when retrieving program listings?

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Juski:

hmm do I want framebuffer support... nah I'll try without 1st

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_Darthy:

ok.. i deleted all unkown channels from ***.xmltv from my .mythtv folder. the next time i start mythfilldatabase, do i need to append some special args to prevent adding new channels?

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Juski:

_Darthy: it shouldn't do it now

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_Darthy:

ok.. thanx.

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_Darthy:

how can i delete the shows i have currently in my db?

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Juski:

delete the channels you no longer want

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_Darthy:

or will i just have to wait untill they are outdated?

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Juski:

hmm not sure

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_Darthy:

ill wait.. :)

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Juski:

how did you end up with channels you didn't want anyway?

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kormoc:

what version of mysql?

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_Darthy:

i think i was a bit fast when typing "all" in mythtvsetup.. :)

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Juski:

in the grabber config script... been there before

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kormoc:

_Darthy, if you are running a new version of mysql

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kormoc:

_Darthy, DELETE FROM program WHERE (SELECT channel.name FROM channel WHERE channel.chanid = program.chanid) IS NULL;

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kormoc:

will wipe out any programs that do not have a channel

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Juski:

dooodeeedoooo... still compiling

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Juski:

be nice if this thing had a progress indicator

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kormoc:

heh, it would be nice, but alas, rather hard

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Juski:

I was gonna try distcc'ing it, but emerging that wanted to pull X in

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kormoc:

useflags would have been able to stop that

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electrichamster:

Ooooh, looks like mythtv-fixes is about to be released....

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Juski:

without a doubt

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