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| [00:08:55] | Juski: | oh is that the 3d desktop stuff? snazzy innit? |
| [00:09:46] | Kelerion: | http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi |
| [00:09:48] | Kelerion: | download that |
| [00:10:03] | Kelerion: | more than 3d desktop |
| [00:10:14] | Kelerion: | *very* nice desktop effects |
| [00:10:40] | Juski: | looking fwd to it |
| [00:10:48] | Kelerion: | even better than what you get on macs.. and I like the effects you get on macs |
| [00:11:12] | Juski: | I think I'm gonna need a decent video editing platform in linux so I can escape needing Vista |
| [00:12:06] | Kelerion: | you looked at Diva yet? |
| [00:12:14] | Juski: | Diva? |
| [00:12:25] | Kelerion: | http://diva-project.org/ |
| [00:12:44] | Kelerion: | check out the screenshots |
| [00:13:47] | Kelerion: | and pitivi is supposed to be excellent too |
| [00:13:53] | Kelerion: | http://pitivi.sourceforge.net/ |
| [00:14:58] | Juski: | all interesting |
| [00:15:22] | Juski: | I was scared off by cinelerra who maintain you need a dual opteron system as a bare minimum! |
| [00:15:36] | Kelerion: | ouch |
| [00:16:35] | Juski: | they all look a bit erm... (be tactful)... like Ulead products to be honest though |
| [00:16:56] | Kelerion: | diva is based on avid.. |
| [00:17:18] | Kelerion: | nice niced-up.. |
| [00:17:25] | Led-Hed: | Would Hyperthreading make much of a difference with respect to Commercial Flagging and Transcoding? |
| [00:17:35] | Kelerion: | but niced-up.. even |
| [00:20:11] | Juski: | wooo they're hoping to get opengl accelerated too |
| [00:20:41] | Kelerion: | the xgl X server does that in theory |
| [00:20:46] | Kelerion: | and it does feel quick |
| [00:22:39] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, in theory it should make it a bit... smoother |
| [00:23:03] | kormoc: | but it's no replacement for dual cores |
| [00:23:15] | Kelerion: | kormoc is showing off :P |
| [00:23:22] | Led-Hed: | kormoc: humm, in your opinion is it worth $167 |
| [00:23:35] | ** Led-Hed has a Dual-Core Desktop ** | |
| [00:23:48] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, honestly, I think so. My 2.4 did feel smoother with HT then without. |
| [00:24:49] | Led-Hed: | kormoc: ok. My other option is to go Dual (2x) Xeon Dempsey CPU's but that will cost me around $550 |
| [00:25:32] | Juski: | slight overkill |
| [00:25:39] | Led-Hed: | not really |
| [00:26:15] | Led-Hed: | 1TB RAID with 4 SDTV streams and soon to add 1 HD stream |
| [00:26:43] | kormoc: | for $550, just go with dual core, 64 bit procs |
| [00:27:09] | Led-Hed: | commercial flagging and Transcoding on 5 streams at the same time can eat some CPU |
| [00:27:11] | marmoset: | Led-Hed: depends on if you're looking for responsiveness or speed |
| [00:27:31] | marmoset: | hyperthreading almost always reduces your processing speed |
| [00:27:37] | Led-Hed: | really |
| [00:27:44] | marmoset: | in my experience anyway |
| [00:27:55] | Led-Hed: | so improves multitasking but at a reduced speed |
| [00:27:59] | kormoc: | it can, and when it has, it seems to be very little in my experiences |
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| [00:28:09] | marmoset: | servers that have HT enabled can handle less load than ones with it disabled |
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| [00:28:27] | marmoset: | kormoc: I see 10–15% for webserving, so it's enough that we disable it |
| [00:28:42] | marmoset: | depends totally on what you're doing though |
| [00:28:51] | marmoset: | mysql is often even worse than that |
| [00:29:07] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, sorry, I thought the dempseys were not 64 bit aware |
| [00:29:32] | Led-Hed: | so with 2x Dual-Core (HT Capable) CPU's would it be better to run 8 threads or 4? |
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| [00:29:49] | marmoset: | Led-Hed: try it both ways and see which is better :) |
| [00:29:58] | marmoset: | it's very specific to what you're doing |
| [00:30:01] | Led-Hed: | marmoset: I havent bought them yet |
| [00:30:06] | marmoset: | ah, gotcha |
| [00:30:06] | kormoc: | honestly, I'd say likely 4 would be best, but yeah, it could swing eather way |
| [00:30:50] | marmoset: | over 4 would probably start hitting PCI bandwidth limits too, depending on your configs |
| [00:30:56] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, keep in mind, my $60 celeron 2.13 ghz commflags 1.5x realtime, so comflagging shouldn't ever get tied up that much |
| [00:31:21] | Led-Hed: | the Xeon Dempsey (5030) is going for around $160 each. Thats cheap! |
| [00:31:25] | kormoc: | Well, if he went with the xeons, he should be getting a server class mobo, which in theory should have dedicated pci buses |
| [00:31:27] | Juski: | wow that avi download is taking some time |
| [00:32:09] | marmoset: | kormoc: true, there's just a lot of potential bottlenecks when you're dealing with multiple video streams, particularly if one is HD |
| [00:32:13] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, yeah, tho part of that reason is just the FSB is slow, the newer dempseys are 1066 mhz fsb. |
| [00:32:15] | marmoset: | perhaps disk writes, etc |
| [00:32:20] | kormoc: | indeed |
| [00:32:41] | Kelerion: | 60mb.. shouldn't take *that* long |
| [00:32:45] | Led-Hed: | with 2x Dempsey (4 Cores total) that should handle Comm Flagging for 4 streams easily |
| [00:32:57] | marmoset: | sure |
| [00:33:13] | Juski: | Kelerion: I'm getting 15k/sec here |
| [00:33:14] | kormoc: | aye |
| [00:33:25] | Led-Hed: | is it possible to Transcode on the fly? |
| [00:33:32] | marmoset: | no, afaik |
| [00:33:33] | kormoc: | indeed it is |
| [00:33:35] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [00:33:37] | marmoset: | ah nice |
| [00:33:38] | marmoset: | well, I dunno |
| [00:33:47] | marmoset: | all the transcoding I do is much more than realtime |
| [00:33:52] | kormoc: | I know you can query it so it auto-transcodes |
| [00:33:57] | Kelerion: | I just tried it again and am pulling at 106k/sec |
| [00:34:11] | kormoc: | ooh, never mind |
| [00:34:13] | Kelerion: | you downloading something else? |
| [00:34:14] | marmoset: | kormoc: I think it takes like 2 hours for me to transcode a half hour show |
| [00:34:17] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [00:34:19] | Led-Hed: | So I can start watchig a show (captured on my PVR-250) and start Transcoding that same show while its streaming? |
| [00:34:23] | kormoc: | I'm smoking crack or something :P |
| [00:34:35] | marmoset: | Led-Hed: probably, but what's your goal? |
| [00:34:41] | marmoset: | like, transcoding to what? |
| [00:35:02] | marmoset: | and it might get confused if the transcoding finishes and deletes the show out from under you while you're watching it |
| [00:35:20] | kormoc: | nah, unix file locks for the win! |
| [00:35:27] | Led-Hed: | I was just thinking of watching a show an immediately start transcoding it to MPEG4 to save on Storage |
| [00:35:42] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, you can auto transcode after it records, aye |
| [00:35:43] | marmoset: | kormoc: you sure, with nfs? |
| [00:35:48] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, but it won't do it realtime |
| [00:35:55] | Led-Hed: | ahh |
| [00:36:03] | kormoc: | marmoset, NFS *should* work fine, aye |
| [00:36:05] | marmoset: | kormoc: I thought I'd had it delete it out from under me, but I could be misremembering |
| [00:36:19] | Led-Hed: | any idea on how long it takes to transcode a 2gb (1hr) show |
| [00:36:33] | Led-Hed: | from mpeg2 to mpeg4 |
| [00:36:33] | kormoc: | marmoset, you can always test, copy a file on the nfs, play it in mplayer, and delete it and see what happens |
| [00:36:47] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, depends on the cpu/system, but it takes a good bit of time |
| [00:37:17] | marmoset: | kormoc: well, I dunno via mplayer, I just meant if the frontend uses nfs to watch the stuff via myth (not mplayer), and then if myth transcodes it automatically and finishes while you're watching it |
| [00:37:37] | marmoset: | it's a weird number of things to happen, so I don't feel like setting it up to test it ;) |
| [00:37:40] | Led-Hed: | would it be faster to just have the CPU encode directly to MPEG4 rather than convert from mpeg2 |
| [00:38:01] | marmoset: | Led-Hed: what I do is use nuvexport when I think of it and delete things after that's done |
| [00:38:13] | kormoc: | marmoset, ooh, myth doesn't use NFS, it uses it's own internal video format, and it works fine, case in point, watching a video on one frontend and deleting it on another, first frontend will playback the entire file |
| [00:38:28] | Juski: | Led-Hed: if you have a pvr/dvb card you can't record to mpeg4 directly anyway |
| [00:38:41] | Led-Hed: | kormoc: NFS isnt a video format? Its a file system |
| [00:38:43] | marmoset: | kormoc: ah, cool. I thought it did use NFS if you've got it mounted that way though, it just wasn't required |
| [00:38:51] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, yeah, I know... |
| [00:39:06] | kormoc: | marmoset, only for the backend to look at, but yeah, it should still work |
| [00:39:10] | marmoset: | like, if you don't mount the same directory structure, it would use the internal myth way to send the file, otherwise it would just use nfs |
| [00:39:23] | Led-Hed: | Juski: I know, thats whay I asked if it would be better to use another capture card (BT) and let the CPU do the encoding |
| [00:39:29] | kormoc: | marmoset, nope, all frontends use myth's way :) |
| [00:39:51] | marmoset: | I set up something at one point in cron to reencode everything to divx as a user job so that if I didn't get around to watching it, I'd still have it on secondary storage |
| [00:39:59] | marmoset: | that was several versions ago though and I've long since lost it |
| [00:40:03] | Led-Hed: | NFS is only used for Videos not recordings |
| [00:40:08] | marmoset: | I wish that was possible tho |
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| [00:40:58] | Juski: | Led-Hed: you probably wouldn't get away with using 4 software encoding tuners on one pci bus – not at a reasonable capture res anyway |
| [00:42:04] | Juski: | stick with pvr cards & transcoding – it's unlikely you can watch faster than the system could redo all the recordings ;-) |
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| [00:43:51] | Led-Hed: | I've been toying with the idea of using my MythBackend as a ReplayTV Storage device. The NVU/MPEG2 files captured my the PVR-250 need minimal transcoding to play on ReplayTV hardware. All I need to do is figure out a way to export the Recording data from the Database and put it into the DVArchive Database. |
| [00:44:25] | Juski: | a bit of perl could prolly do that |
| [00:44:35] | Led-Hed: | If I only knew perl |
| [00:44:37] | Led-Hed: | ;) |
| [00:44:43] | Led-Hed: | some day |
| [00:44:45] | Juski: | hell it's not rocket science |
| [00:44:58] | Juski: | I didn't know perl but it hasn't stopped me |
| [00:45:14] | Juski: | anything you don't know, just google. it's all been done before ;-) |
| [00:45:16] | Led-Hed: | I know a little VB and even less LISP |
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| [00:46:10] | Juski: | from having no perl experience I made a bunch of scripts to grab a bunch of channel names from my cable box's webpages & put them into mythtv's channel table |
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| [00:46:26] | Led-Hed: | thats cool |
| [00:46:32] | Juski: | easy as pie (almost) |
| [00:46:42] | Juski: | took me a good few hours though |
| [00:46:51] | Led-Hed: | I still havent figured out Myths Job system. |
| [00:47:00] | Juski: | would've been impossible without google though |
| [00:47:08] | Kelerion: | I haven't written a perl script in my life.. but i can read perl and figure out what it's doing.. so I figure I could rip a couple of scripts apart and put a new one together if I needed to |
| [00:47:15] | Led-Hed: | Which I would need to run the RTVConvert tool |
| [00:48:02] | Led-Hed: | the bigger problem would be figuring out how to intigrate it with DVArchive. |
| [00:50:37] | Juski: | maybe |
| [00:50:54] | Led-Hed: | Juski: you have a ReplayTV? |
| [00:51:26] | Juski: | heh. naw |
| [00:51:39] | Led-Hed: | ahh |
| [00:52:04] | Juski: | emerging distcc now |
| [00:52:58] | Juski: | a safe way to get my main box to help with the xbox compiling, no? ;-) |
| [00:53:49] | Led-Hed: | Myth 0.19 is the first version that really started working well for me, So now I'm retiring my ReplayTV's but maybe I can use them as psudo frontends |
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| [01:00:19] | Juski: | qmake: command not found ... doh |
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| [01:00:31] | ** Kelerion chuckles ** | |
| [01:02:11] | Juski: | no $QTDIR... grrr |
| [01:03:26] | Juski: | no qt3-dev-tools either |
| [01:03:34] | Juski: | so much for that wiki being complete |
| [01:06:11] | Juski: | and cc is using lots of cpu on the other box :-) |
| [01:06:25] | Juski: | that was easy, but I fear I speak too soon |
| [01:07:08] | Kelerion: | never used it.. I don't know why not though.. I have enough machines to warrant it.. just never bothered |
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| [01:12:46] | Juski: | for flips sakes that xgl stuff looks canny! |
| [01:13:00] | Kelerion: | oh you got it... nice huh? |
| [01:13:29] | Juski: | kind of erm.. pisses all over Vista's eye candy |
| [01:13:38] | Kelerion: | yup yup |
| [01:13:49] | GreyFoxx: | What xgl stuff is that ? |
| [01:13:59] | Kelerion: | xgl/compiz |
| [01:14:13] | Kelerion: | http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi |
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| [01:14:23] | Kelerion: | I installed it today... and it's *sexy* |
| [01:15:16] | GreyFoxx: | cool |
| [01:15:20] | GreyFoxx: | *grabs video* |
| [01:15:39] | Kelerion: | I loved the 2 mplayer windows it has in the video.. *with* transparency.. on top of each other! |
| [01:16:19] | Juski: | I like the zooming into and around the desktop |
| [01:16:31] | Juski: | and windows flopping around as you move em... niiice |
| [01:16:53] | Kelerion: | and theres a compiz-gnome and compiz-kde and well as the plain compiz.. so works with pretty much everything |
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| [01:17:14] | Kelerion: | so I still have my lovely gnome desktop.. but with all the new stuff |
| [01:17:36] | Juski: | not as cool as some of the stuff I saw the Sun labs working on a few years ago, but nice all the same |
| [01:17:37] | Kelerion: | and the task-switcher is awesome |
| [01:18:11] | Kelerion: | you mean Project Lokking Glass? |
| [01:18:14] | Kelerion: | Looking |
| [01:18:19] | Juski: | no it wasn't that |
| [01:18:26] | Kelerion: | oh |
| [01:18:31] | Juski: | was a prototype 3d desktop environment |
| [01:18:55] | Juski: | right.. added libqt-mt-dev now... humph |
| [01:20:36] | Juski: | just a shame this xbox is _so_ _damn_ _noisy_ !! |
| [01:21:03] | Kelerion: | never used an xbox.. I must be a freak.. lol |
| [01:21:05] | Juski: | reckon I'll do some work on that if I get a chance before the show |
| [01:21:44] | Juski: | anyway it's proved to me that a 733mhz celery can play back mpeg2 in linux :-) |
| [01:21:58] | Kelerion: | good good :) |
| [01:22:00] | Juski: | whether or not a mobile chip will do it is another thing |
| [01:23:00] | Juski: | gonna have like 2 frontends at the show – 3 if I include the main box itself |
| [01:25:00] | Kelerion: | I might not be able to make it.. I might be on holiday.. but am not sure yet.. depends on when current project gets finished and invoiced |
| [01:25:33] | Juski: | I might not be able to handle all the beer! |
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| [01:26:47] | Kelerion: | If I can make it.. I have a plan.. getted totally pissed for the previous week and get my body used to whats coming.. lol |
| [01:26:59] | ** Kelerion wonders hows that different from now.. coming to think of it ** | |
| [01:27:00] | Juski: | I should do that I think |
| [01:27:12] | Juski: | can't remember the last time I had a drink! |
| [01:27:57] | Juski: | this compile aint half rattling along :-) |
| [01:28:21] | Kelerion: | been catching up with the lugradio episodes for the last couple of days.. missed last few months |
| [01:28:47] | Juski: | I can only ever sit through about half of one episode |
| [01:29:18] | Kelerion: | I just think they are hilarious |
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| [01:30:26] | Juski: | up to virtualkeyboard.cpp already |
| [01:30:59] | marmoset: | kormoc: fyi, it looks like frontends do use nfs if available for recordings, but falls back to the mythtv internal one if it's not available |
| [01:31:08] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [01:31:14] | kormoc: | very strange |
| [01:31:38] | Juski: | a frontend looks for the file locally first iirc |
| [01:31:44] | marmoset: | ya |
| [01:31:59] | kormoc: | ahh, I see |
| [01:32:00] | Juski: | you could mount the recordings dir with samba if you like |
| [01:32:12] | Kelerion: | thats what I do |
| [01:32:17] | Juski: | in some cases it makes the playback more perky |
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| [01:32:19] | Kelerion: | well.. with nfs |
| [01:32:28] | marmoset: | I could use samba if I liked punching myself in the face |
| [01:32:29] | marmoset: | ;) |
| [01:32:45] | Juski: | I thought it might speed up the xbox starting playback of recordings, but it doesn't |
| [01:32:54] | marmoset: | but yeah, I got better performance using nfs vs the mythtv internal one |
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| [01:33:38] | Juski: | I'm amazed how well it performs for only having 32MB usable RAM though |
| [01:34:46] | marmoset: | xris: when you've messed with hd, were you using OTA or cable? |
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| [01:41:08] | Juski: | huh? unable to find a source package for mythtv? bugger |
| [01:41:47] | Kelerion: | I had that on my laptop a few weeks ago |
| [01:42:14] | Juski: | that was apt-get build-dep mythtv |
| [01:42:20] | Kelerion: | yup |
| [01:42:22] | Kelerion: | same here |
| [01:42:24] | Juski: | for my ubuntu box |
| [01:42:31] | Kelerion: | on dapper? |
| [01:42:35] | ** Juski is multitasking ** | |
| [01:42:38] | Juski: | breezay |
| [01:42:43] | xris: | marmoset: both. most recently, cable. |
| [01:42:48] | Kelerion: | had it on dapper |
| [01:42:58] | Juski: | oh wait |
| [01:43:05] | ** Juski looks in the sources.list ** | |
| [01:43:07] | Kelerion: | I *think*, but don't quote me.. that I added multiverse to fix it |
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| [01:45:10] | marmoset: | xris: were you able to get most of the digital channels? I thought I had them all, but one of the kcts ones isn't working, curious if you have a good channels.conf or anything ;) |
| [01:45:26] | marmoset: | I couldn't get scanning under myth to work right, I don't even remember how I got the ones I have at this point |
| [01:45:38] | Juski: | that fixed its noodle! |
| [01:45:58] | Kelerion: | whatcha do? |
| [01:46:16] | Juski: | I downloaded abarbaccia's sources.list without first renaming the old one |
| [01:46:21] | Juski: | oops |
| [01:46:28] | Kelerion: | ahh |
| [01:47:10] | Juski: | jees HOW much activity on the -dev list today?! |
| [01:47:17] | xris: | marmoset: all but vh1 (I get hbo, too) |
| [01:47:21] | xris: | no idea why vh1 doesn't work |
| [01:47:52] | xris: | I think that some of the kcts ones are turned off at certain times of day, too |
| [01:48:01] | marmoset: | xris: just through the regular cable, no firewire or anything right? |
| [01:48:19] | xris: | me feels dumb when he reads about his some of old college friends... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Fryer |
| [01:48:29] | xris: | marmoset: firewire |
| [01:48:31] | marmoset: | oh ok |
| [01:48:34] | marmoset: | n/m then ;) |
| [01:48:56] | xris: | afk |
| [01:48:58] | marmoset: | I'm just doing it to the pchd card via coax |
| [01:50:06] | Juski: | ahh yes but xris.. is he _really_ happy? ;-) |
| [01:51:08] | Juski: | eeeep! http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/contributor/327818 |
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| [01:51:52] | Kelerion: | your famous! |
| [01:51:59] | ** Juski should really refrain from googling ** | |
| [01:52:02] | Juski: | randomly... |
| [01:52:11] | Juski: | lol |
| [01:56:06] | Juski: | now I see the snag in using distcc – if you're unlucky the slowest machine will have to compile a big chunk |
| [01:56:48] | Kelerion: | but the fast machine will continue compiling all the little stuff right? |
| [01:58:08] | Juski: | erm... I think that's the idea |
| [01:58:37] | Juski: | to do that though it needs to be given a job – and if the current (slow) job isnt finished... |
| [01:58:46] | Juski: | either that or the box has hung |
| [01:59:27] | Juski: | nah it's still very busy |
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| [02:07:59] | Kel-kippin: | okies.. bedtime.. g'night all :) |
| [02:08:28] | Juski: | nighty night |
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| [02:11:46] | marmoset: | anyone ever tried compile optimization flags for yuvdenoise (from mjpegtools) and had it make a difference? |
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| [02:12:44] | kameron: | still trying to fine tune mythtv... i shutoff mythtv a while ago, the sound is still going. i killed artsd. but still going. |
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| [02:21:42] | prg3: | Anyone out there using ubuntu-dapper? I'm trying mythfilldatabase on it, and I'm getting scads of database errors, invalid SQL |
| [02:22:36] | prg3: | Or are there issues with mysql-5.0? |
| [02:23:55] | Sebulba02: | prg3: searched google for mythtv+mysql5? |
| [02:24:12] | prg3: | Not yet.. just had the idea, and I'm trying to move back to 4.1 right now |
| [02:24:13] | marmoset: | prg3: I haven't used it, but I would be that there are, mysql isn't very good about backwards compatibility. If there's a 4.x package, installing that instead would probably save a lot of headaches |
| [02:24:20] | marmoset: | er, |
| [02:24:22] | marmoset: | I would bet |
| [02:26:06] | prg3: | Hmm.. that's actually pretty bad, because mythtv-database on ubuntu has mysql-server as a dependancy, and it choosees 5.0 by default |
| [02:26:27] | marmoset: | huh, I dunno any specifics about that |
| [02:30:57] | Juski: | hmmm this line is causing me some grief.. ALTER DATABASE mythconverg DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1; |
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| [02:31:25] | bilbravo: | hello all |
| [02:32:11] | marmoset: | Juski: what version of mysql? |
| [02:32:31] | marmoset: | I think a lot of dumps from 4.1 have that default character set stuff and 4.0 doesn't support it, iirc |
| [02:32:44] | marmoset: | I seem to remember that from customers trying to move dbs anyway |
| [02:33:30] | prg3: | Yup, 4.1 works, 5.0 doesn't.. time to file an Ubuntu bug report |
| [02:33:33] | dscoular: | Juski, sounds like http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2006 . . . /123326.html |
| [02:34:37] | Juski: | marmoset: 4.0. something |
| [02:35:04] | marmoset: | Juski: yeah, I'd bet that upgrading to 4.1 would solve it for you, dunno if that's an option tho |
| [02:35:17] | marmoset: | although from that mailing list post I could be wrong |
| [02:35:21] | Juski: | I apparently already have the latest version |
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| [02:35:44] | marmoset: | no, wait, n/m, that mailing list post was about a different issue |
| [02:36:00] | marmoset: | Juski: latest mysql? might be latest 4.0, but 4.1 is significantly different |
| [02:36:01] | Juski: | 4.0.24 |
| [02:36:03] | Juski: | :-/ |
| [02:36:36] | dscoular: | Juski, what error is it giving ? |
| [02:37:27] | Juski: | ERROR 1064 at line 6: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'DATABASE mythconverg DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1' at line 1 |
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| [02:37:45] | Juski: | got all the permissions & stuff set |
| [02:37:52] | marmoset: | yeah, I think you need 4.1 |
| [02:37:58] | mog_home: | hey i am trying to get started with mythtv |
| [02:38:19] | mog_home: | and i have an issue Database error was: |
| [02:38:19] | mog_home: | You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'repeat,ste reo,subtitled,hdtv,closecaptioned,tvrating,partnumber,parttotal,endtim' at line 1 |
| [02:38:25] | mog_home: | keeps scrolling by |
| [02:38:26] | Juski: | grrr htf will I get 4.1 when umbongo says I already have the latest? |
| [02:38:57] | Juski: | mog_home: have you run mythtv-setup yet? |
| [02:39:02] | mog_home: | yes |
| [02:39:16] | mog_home: | let me check and make sure db was created |
| [02:39:21] | marmoset: | Juski: does your distribution have an alternative mysql server? debian has mysql-server and mysql-server-4.1 for ex ample |
| [02:40:50] | Juski: | ahh |
| [02:41:35] | Juski: | good thinking that man! |
| [02:48:49] | Juski: | mysql-server-4.1 solved the issue |
| [02:48:59] | Juski: | thankyou very much :-) |
| [02:49:12] | marmoset: | no problem |
| [02:49:12] | ** mog_home is downgrading to 4.1 too ** | |
| [02:49:16] | mog_home: | i think that was my problem |
| [02:49:56] | Juski: | currently building mythtv for xbox & my ubuntu box at the same time |
| [02:50:01] | Juski: | taking aaages |
| [02:50:10] | marmoset: | heh, yes |
| [02:50:19] | marmoset: | binary distributions > * |
| [02:50:20] | marmoset: | ;) |
| [02:50:24] | Juski: | I want mythtv to finish on the xbox so I can compile the plugins. or at least start them |
| [02:50:29] | b8zsNetra: | since mythtv needs QT, does myth-frontend look better on KDE than say icewm? |
| [02:50:39] | Juski: | nope |
| [02:50:48] | marmoset: | b8zsNetra: no, you wouldn't ever see either one |
| [02:50:52] | marmoset: | afaik the wm is just for focus |
| [02:51:09] | marmoset: | it runs full screen so the wm isn't visible at all |
| [02:51:10] | Juski: | you'd be better off not using a bulky desktop environment anyway |
| [02:51:15] | marmoset: | that is true also |
| [02:51:27] | Juski: | you _can_ run mythfrontend in a window though :-/ |
| [02:51:32] | Juski: | for what _that_ is worth |
| [02:51:49] | marmoset: | heh |
| [02:51:52] | marmoset: | that's true |
| [02:51:56] | marmoset: | I've done that, forgot about it |
| [02:52:00] | b8zsNetra: | ya i will be running icewm with mythfrontend fullscreen on my xbox, and I will never turn it off |
| [02:52:30] | b8zsNetra: | i remember reading somewhere that mythfrontend looks better with KDE — like the buttons or something |
| [02:52:42] | Juski: | I'm on extending my xebian install now cos it didn't come with any plugins |
| [02:52:57] | Juski: | b8zsNetra: bullshit ;-) |
| [02:53:01] | b8zsNetra: | ok good |
| [02:53:09] | Juski: | frontend looks like mythfrontend |
| [02:53:15] | b8zsNetra: | tbh ive never seen it |
| [02:53:18] | b8zsNetra: | just SS's |
| [02:53:24] | b8zsNetra: | im now just finishing my backend |
| [02:53:33] | bilbravo: | YAY |
| [02:53:37] | bilbravo: | i got mythtv working, recording a show now |
| [02:53:43] | ** b8zsNetra claps ** | |
| [02:53:58] | marmoset: | hehe |
| [02:53:59] | Juski: | almost 4am.. I think I'll sack waiting for the compile to finish |
| [02:54:11] | bilbravo: | except, the mythbackend service crashes if it's loaded with init.d script (i'm using gentoo) |
| [02:54:15] | bilbravo: | but... if i start it manually all is well, any idea what that is? |
| [02:54:28] | marmoset: | bilbravo: nothing in the logs at all? |
| [02:54:41] | b8zsNetra: | check the init scripts, see what commands its throwing |
| [02:54:55] | Juski: | bilbravo: only thing I've ever seen related to that was when the backend was trying to start before mysql had started |
| [02:55:11] | bilbravo: | sql was already started, i had it start on boot |
| [02:55:22] | Juski: | someone showed me a way to run the init script in a shell to see where it went wrong |
| [02:55:23] | bilbravo: | where would this log be located? the one that is pertinent? |
| [02:55:32] | marmoset: | I've seen it witih a weird thing where it was trying to write to /root/.qt/ or something but it had already changed to the mythtv user |
| [02:55:41] | Juski: | /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log usually |
| [02:55:50] | marmoset: | bilbravo: I don't use gentoo, but yeah, probably what juski said |
| [02:57:12] | Juski: | got 3 distros on the go right now. gentoo on the main (working production) system, ubuntu on a test box, xebian on my xbox |
| [02:57:31] | Juski: | oops I forgot about the frontend in the livingroom – that's on minimyth :) |
| [02:57:35] | marmoset: | heh |
| [02:57:41] | bilbravo: | hmm... only pertinent log i see is that it asys it can't open the lockfile, but i fixed that... and really early in the log it says that there's not card defined |
| [02:57:56] | bilbravo: | so maybe it will work now, after all i just got the "binding" set after wondering why the card wasn't working heh |
| [02:58:05] | bilbravo: | so maybe it will work now, i'll wait until this show is done recording |
| [02:58:08] | b8zsNetra: | what card you using? |
| [02:58:15] | bilbravo: | wintv-pvr-150mce |
| [02:58:20] | b8zsNetra: | aah k |
| [02:58:25] | b8zsNetra: | what version of ivtv? |
| [02:58:26] | marmoset: | bilbravo: if it doesn't work, try running the stuff in the init script by hand |
| [02:58:28] | Juski: | bilbravo: maybe the mythtv user doesn't have the right group membership / permissions to use the device |
| [02:58:29] | bilbravo: | i had trouble with ivtv earlier, but i got it now |
| [02:58:46] | Juski: | aanyway I'm off to bed.. |
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| [02:58:48] | Juski: | night all |
| [02:58:54] | marmoset: | later |
| [02:58:56] | bilbravo: | night |
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| [02:59:45] | bilbravo: | it's in the audio and video group, what else should it be in? |
| [03:00:56] | octavious: | bilbravo: i just got that card working two days ago with gentoo. its nice. |
| [03:02:12] | bilbravo: | octavious: very nic eindeed, my cpu usage was 0% |
| [03:02:25] | bilbravo: | well, thats' a lie... it was going from 0–10 because i was doign other things as well.. but i love that hardware encoding |
| [03:02:43] | octavious: | yeah, i'm thinking about buying a couple more and jamming them in an older machine |
| [03:02:46] | bilbravo: | so i'm using ext3, i hear that's not good for mythtv.. should i consider formatting one of my partitions? |
| [03:03:10] | bilbravo: | octavious: i want to build a little back-end server to sit in the corner and stick 2–3 of them in there, get a few big drives in there as well |
| [03:03:33] | octavious: | yeah, thats kind of my plan also. i just recently came to acquire a projector |
| [03:03:39] | octavious: | so its a pretty cool dorm room setup :) |
| [03:04:03] | bilbravo: | indeed |
| [03:04:20] | bilbravo: | well, i need a new video card with output so i can watch this on my hD |
| [03:04:32] | bilbravo: | but for now i can burn to disc |
| [03:04:46] | alieas: | does anyone have a pcHDTV card? I'm trying to insert the drivers into the kernel. after I "make", and "make install" I go to do the "modprobe -rv" on 'cx88-dvb' and 'cx8800', which go fine. The instructions then say to do a "modprobe -v" on the same modules. Are these commands necessary, they sound redundant... these commands end in a fatal error of "Unknown Symbol" |
| [03:05:13] | octavious: | alieas: modprobe -r removes the modules |
| [03:05:19] | alieas: | oh ok |
| [03:05:25] | alieas: | so that went fine |
| [03:05:34] | alieas: | but inserting the new ones fatal error then |
| [03:05:41] | octavious: | yeah. |
| [03:05:48] | octavious: | are they built for the same kernel that you are running? |
| [03:06:09] | marmoset: | bilbravo: ext3 sucks for performance, but it's really stable |
| [03:06:22] | bilbravo: | i'll be fine until i get a new drive in here then, eh? |
| [03:06:28] | marmoset: | well, stable for a linux filesystem ;) |
| [03:06:29] | marmoset: | yeah |
| [03:06:32] | alieas: | yeah I'm using SuSE 10 because the drivers came with instructions for SuSE 10 and FC5. so it should be solid... but |
| [03:06:35] | marmoset: | it's just slow on deletes and stuff like that |
| [03:07:23] | alieas: | they compiled fine, why would they not insert I wonder. |
| [03:07:36] | bilbravo: | i have a question |
| [03:07:42] | marmoset: | alieas: what's the unknown symbol? |
| [03:07:51] | bilbravo: | does mythfilldatabase always end with that box that says "rescheduling blah blah"? |
| [03:08:20] | mog_home: | whats this error mean Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| [03:08:28] | bilbravo: | before it was giving me some downloads, then the last download would give to 401 errors, but this time the last one ends with a 200 |
| [03:08:33] | alieas: | marmoset, hold on I'll get it – thanks |
| [03:08:35] | bilbravo: | so it looks successful |
| [03:09:01] | marmoset: | bilbravo: 401's are normal during mythfilldatabase, I always get a couple |
| [03:09:03] | bilbravo: | so basically... is this normal to get everything you run mythfilldatabase: http://pastebin.com/754880 |
| [03:09:23] | bilbravo: | marmoset: thanks... can you view my link? the box/warning is what i'm concerned about |
| [03:09:33] | alieas: | marmoset: should I parse 'dmesg' for that information or how should I obtain it? |
| [03:10:27] | mog_home: | anyone? |
| [03:11:05] | marmoset: | bilbravo: yeah, I think that's normal mine runs with --quiet and I haven't looked at the output in forever, but I remember seeing that and mine works fine |
| [03:11:16] | bilbravo: | mog_home: where d you get that error? |
| [03:11:22] | bilbravo: | ok |
| [03:11:27] | mog_home: | i ran a cron script |
| [03:11:34] | mog_home: | thats supposed to load data in i guess |
| [03:11:38] | bilbravo: | mythfilldatabse? |
| [03:11:53] | bilbravo: | marmoset: do you do mythfilldatabase as a cron job or automatically with the mythtv options? |
| [03:11:55] | mog_home: | no its a ubuntu one let me read it |
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| [03:12:17] | mog_home: | su mythtv -c "mythfilldatabase --quiet" |
| [03:12:25] | mog_home: | thats what its running |
| [03:13:20] | alieas: | marmoset: the dmesg is littered with about 10 or so symbols that cx8800 "disagrees" with, apparently.. |
| [03:14:04] | marmoset: | bilbravo: yeah, what mog_home said is in my cron.daily |
| [03:14:14] | marmoset: | alieas: ah, hmm, dunno. gotta eat dinner tho, good luck :) |
| [03:14:20] | alieas: | I guess I could always try FC5 to get this card working... how can everyone in here always talk about building every module and inserting it yourself.. I always end up in frustration |
| [03:15:25] | bilbravo: | does the option in mythtvfrontend not do it correctly? why do you use cron? |
| [03:20:14] | bilbravo: | oh man, gilmore girls comes on a lot |
| [03:20:23] | bilbravo: | i shouldn't have told my fiance i can record a show any time/any channel lol |
| [03:21:34] | mog_home: | hmm it works now |
| [03:21:42] | mog_home: | but mythtv isnt doing the video full screen |
| [03:21:46] | octavious: | bilbravo: heh, you should get her hooked up with mythweb. its fantastic. |
| [03:21:46] | mog_home: | is there some way to force that |
| [03:22:38] | bilbravo: | so i just have to set up apache on my machine? |
| [03:22:42] | bilbravo: | that sounds easy enough |
| [03:23:04] | mog_home: | its only playing at the 720x480 its bringing it in |
| [03:23:10] | mog_home: | how can i stretch it? |
| [03:25:41] | mog_home: | Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| [03:25:47] | mog_home: | happens if i execute mythtv |
| [03:26:16] | mog_home: | as a script |
| [03:26:19] | mog_home: | not as root |
| [03:26:40] | bilbravo: | hmmm, all of my channels are off my one |
| [03:26:45] | bilbravo: | i read about this somewhere... |
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| [03:27:22] | b8zsNetra: | ok i know I already asked, but i recompiled qt and am still having isses with mythtv, can anyone take a look at this and give me some insight plz? |
| [03:27:25] | b8zsNetra: | http://pastebin.ca/61255 |
| [03:27:39] | b8zsNetra: | maby its my "backendonly" use flag |
| [03:28:53] | bilbravo: | can do you emerge -p qt |
| [03:28:56] | bilbravo: | and paste that? |
| [03:28:59] | b8zsNetra: | ya sec |
| [03:29:20] | b8zsNetra: | [ebuild R ] x11-libs/qt-4.1.3 |
| [03:29:51] | b8zsNetra: | i think it needs qt 3.3, but im pretty sure I have that version too |
| [03:30:02] | bilbravo: | you only have one |
| [03:30:37] | b8zsNetra: | what version of qt do you have on your box? |
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| [03:31:34] | bilbravo: | do emerge -s qt |
| [03:31:42] | bilbravo: | emerge -s qt | more |
| [03:31:49] | bilbravo: | go down to x11-libs/qt |
| [03:32:01] | bilbravo: | 3.3.4-r8 |
| [03:32:02] | bilbravo: | is what i have |
| [03:32:02] | b8zsNetra: | 4.1.3 |
| [03:32:08] | bilbravo: | thats' what you have installed? |
| [03:32:19] | bilbravo: | that's your problem |
| [03:32:23] | b8zsNetra: | ok |
| [03:32:23] | mog_home: | Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| [03:32:23] | mog_home: | so any idea on that? |
| [03:32:28] | b8zsNetra: | are you using myth 0.19? |
| [03:32:40] | bilbravo: | yes |
| [03:32:48] | bilbravo: | what card do you have? and what kernel? |
| [03:32:51] | bilbravo: | just curious |
| [03:32:58] | bilbravo: | we may have very similar setups |
| [03:33:08] | b8zsNetra: | 2.6.16, i have a wintv250 |
| [03:33:13] | bilbravo: | oh |
| [03:33:19] | bilbravo: | well i'm using 2.6.15, wintv150 |
| [03:33:22] | b8zsNetra: | but its not plugged in yet, it came in the mail today — but i didnt get a chance to install it |
| [03:33:27] | b8zsNetra: | im at work ;-) |
| [03:33:30] | bilbravo: | heh |
| [03:33:33] | bilbravo: | well, just so you know |
| [03:33:47] | bilbravo: | you can get myth up and running, but you'll get errors when you try to do anything with channels without the card |
| [03:33:51] | bilbravo: | i did the same thing... impatient |
| [03:34:03] | bilbravo: | i ordered the card thursday during lunch, and got it friday when i got home from work |
| [03:34:08] | bilbravo: | newegg rocks |
| [03:34:29] | b8zsNetra: | i got mine from ebay |
| [03:34:41] | b8zsNetra: | $80 shipped |
| [03:34:42] | bilbravo: | can someone tell me why my channels are all off by one? i read about it somewhere, but now i can't find that site |
| [03:34:44] | bilbravo: | nice |
| [03:35:02] | bilbravo: | brb, need a beer |
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| [03:36:52] | bilbravo: | back |
| [03:38:01] | b8zsNetra: | ok im compiling qt 3.3.6 atm |
| [03:38:06] | ** b8zsNetra crosses his fingers ** | |
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| [03:38:18] | bilbravo: | b8zsNetra: all will be well :-) |
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| [03:39:45] | b8zsNetra: | If i modprobe ivtv when the card isnt plugged in, is it supposed to error? |
| [03:39:50] | b8zsNetra: | because I hope so |
| [03:40:01] | octavious: | b8zsNetra: no it doesn't error |
| [03:40:04] | b8zsNetra: | damn |
| [03:40:09] | octavious: | b8zsNetra: not that i've experienced |
| [03:40:10] | b8zsNetra: | i get unknown symbol |
| [03:40:42] | octavious: | hmm, is the module built for your kernel version |
| [03:40:58] | bilbravo: | b8zsNetra: thats' your smallest concern, don't worry about what it does when the card ISN'T in lol |
| [03:40:58] | b8zsNetra: | ya i went to the ivtv wiki and got version .6 |
| [03:41:01] | octavious: | does your kernel have all necessary items enabled (cryptographic API, video for linux..i think..) |
| [03:41:10] | bilbravo: | b8zsNetra: i did emerge ivtv |
| [03:41:38] | b8zsNetra: | theres no ebuild for ivtv that works with 2.6.16 aiui |
| [03:41:55] | b8zsNetra: | i think i built videofor linux as a module |
| [03:41:56] | bilbravo: | oh, then use 2.6.15 :-) |
| [03:42:31] | octavious: | b8zsNetra: there are ebuilds that work. they are just hard masked |
| [03:42:41] | bilbravo: | oh yeah |
| [03:42:47] | bilbravo: | i definitely used a hard masked ebuild |
| [03:42:49] | b8zsNetra: | oh, i just ran with ~X86, it failed so i compiled on my own |
| [03:42:51] | octavious: | b8zsNetra: i haven't had any luck with the 0.6.2 build though, it installed and worked, but mucked up when i tried to change the channel |
| [03:42:56] | bilbravo: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_PVR_500_Setup |
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| [03:43:04] | bilbravo: | this is exactly what i did and it worked |
| [03:43:08] | bilbravo: | mind you, skip steps 1–3 |
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| [03:44:14] | alieas: | octavious: do you think there is another channel were I could find pcHDTV card users? Does anyone in here have a HD-3000 that they got working before the vanilla kernel supported it? Thats basically what I need to do but with the HD-5500. I can't modprobe the cx8800 or cx88-dvb, fatal errors |
| [03:44:15] | b8zsNetra: | i followed the steps exactally as explained here: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto but it doesnt say which kernel options you need as modules or builtin |
| [03:44:22] | MonMotha: | alieas: I use a pcHDTV... |
| [03:44:27] | MonMotha: | 3000, in fact |
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| [03:45:02] | MonMotha: | I had it working before support was in kernel, but I moved to that immediately. Before that, I had it working (briefly) with their old v4l hacked drivers, but I quickly patched in the DVB drivers |
| [03:45:14] | bilbravo: | b8zsNetra: i did all as modules |
| [03:45:29] | alieas: | yeah I'm trying to patch in the dvb drivers |
| [03:46:08] | alieas: | I'm just curious, should it really be that easy to patch the dvb drivers? Am I just an idiot? I'm driving myself crazy here |
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| [03:48:53] | alieas: | MonMotha: I guess the next step then would be to build the latest kernel and then trying inserting the compiled drivers into that ? I'm just looking for a point in the direction of success |
| [03:49:02] | MonMotha: | alieas: IIRC I didn't find it that hard, though I used to maintain my own kernel patch series ala FOLK/WOLK |
| [03:49:23] | MonMotha: | I believe you can build the DVB drivers outside of the kernel tree, though |
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| [03:50:06] | alieas: | thats what I'm trying to do now, right ? |
| [03:50:09] | alieas: | it doesn't work |
| [03:51:24] | alieas: | I feel like I shouldn't need to know how to maintain kernel patches to just add these cx8800 and cx88-dvb modules |
| [03:52:50] | MonMotha: | workign with the kernel takes some practice and familiarity |
| [03:53:02] | MonMotha: | I've written kernel drivers, so I can usually go and manually tweak things to get them to work together |
| [03:53:15] | b8zsNetra: | damn, got qt 3.3.6 installed and compiling myth still gives errors |
| [03:53:37] | b8zsNetra: | maby nptl is messing the install up? |
| [03:55:22] | alieas: | I don't mind doing the reserach, but is there a course of action you could recommend? |
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| [03:57:33] | alieas: | I've compiled kernels before, I've set up snort/acid on apache, I've chown'd enough stuff to know my way around linux... yet I order a card that has claimed "excellent linux support", follow thier instructions to a 'T' with their recommended distro... and get fatal errors. |
| [03:59:23] | bilbravo: | b8zsNetra: what error this time? |
| [03:59:30] | MonMotha: | alieas: chances are it'll work out of the box in a month or so |
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| [03:59:37] | MonMotha: | basically once the DVB guys get the driver to upstream |
| [03:59:55] | MonMotha: | the HD5000 is a pretty new card |
| [04:00:03] | MonMotha: | as was the 3000 when I got it |
| [04:00:05] | alieas: | right... |
| [04:00:06] | alieas: | I understand |
| [04:00:08] | isaac_: | Im having a proble with mythtv-setup. It wont work |
| [04:00:13] | isaac_: | problem* |
| [04:00:22] | isaac_: | It just shows two pages. |
| [04:00:34] | alieas: | I just think he should say that on the website then, and not "works great in linux!", cuz it don't |
| [04:00:35] | MonMotha: | alieas: do they not provide kernel packages for their "recommended distribution" on the CD that comes with it? |
| [04:00:37] | isaac_: | But it doesn''t prompt me for my capture card or anything |
| [04:00:55] | isaac_: | It just goes trough like 2 pages |
| [04:01:10] | MonMotha: | I know my 3000 did indeed work out of the box with the drivers they provided (which weren't the DVB drivers, at the time) |
| [04:01:10] | alieas: | MonMotha: just source, you have to do a make and make install, then modprobe cx8800 and cx88-dvb |
| [04:01:13] | bilbravo: | where are the .nuv files that the documentation speaks of? i want to burn a show to dvd |
| [04:01:22] | MonMotha: | bilbravo: by default, /var/lib/mythtv |
| [04:01:34] | MonMotha: | alieas: hum, ok |
| [04:01:42] | isaac_: | 006-06–02 20:59:06.934 Database not open while trying to save setting: Language |
| [04:01:42] | isaac_: | 2006-06–02 20:59:06.934 Unable to connect to database! |
| [04:01:43] | MonMotha: | do you have the source package for your kernel installed? |
| [04:01:47] | alieas: | they have instructions for SuSE and FC5, and thats all they say is do make, make install, modprobe -r, and modprobe. |
| [04:01:54] | isaac_: | those are displayed in the terminal. |
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| [04:02:25] | MonMotha: | alieas: do you have the source package for your installed kernel installed? |
| [04:02:34] | alieas: | I installed the kernel development and gcc stuff when I installed suse |
| [04:02:41] | MonMotha: | does it match your running kernel? |
| [04:02:53] | MonMotha: | compare uname -r with /usr/src/linux/Makefile |
| [04:02:59] | alieas: | ok please hold |
| [04:04:50] | alieas: | MonMotha: I am comparing what file to the Makefile? |
| [04:05:36] | MonMotha: | the output of uname -r |
| [04:07:20] | alieas: | which is 2.6.13–15.10-default |
| [04:08:56] | marmoset: | hd is a pita |
| [04:09:02] | marmoset: | it makes me angry ;) |
| [04:11:34] | alieas: | I don't understsand. /usr/src/linux/Makefile is a text file. I am searching for the kernel version number in this file? |
| [04:14:09] | b8zsNetra: | just for clarification here... do i *have* to load the ivtv firmware on my card, or can I roll stock |
| [04:14:30] | b8zsNetra: | and i think i found my compilation problem with mythtv — use=backendonly was messing it up |
| [04:16:28] | octavious: | alieas: the Makefile will hold the verison of the kernel source that is |
| [04:17:19] | alieas: | octavious: its not in there anywhere |
| [04:18:02] | octavious: | alieas: the first 4 lines should hold the numbers you are looking for |
| [04:19:57] | isaac_: | does mythtv not work qith qt4? |
| [04:20:01] | isaac_: | with* |
| [04:20:04] | alieas: | it has a comment line, and then goes to >obj-y = |
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| [04:22:35] | alieas: | http://advancingnetworks.com/media/alieasMakefile |
| [04:22:40] | alieas: | here I posted it |
| [04:22:41] | Kichigai: | Hi, I hate to be a user who pops in for a problem, then idles, but I'm having problems with my Myth system. |
| [04:22:56] | Kichigai: | I installed new themes through apt-get mythtv-themes, now the front-end is crashing. |
| [04:23:09] | Kichigai: | I've removed the package, but the problem persists. |
| [04:23:17] | MonMotha: | alieas: are you sure that's from the top level directory? |
| [04:23:35] | MonMotha: | that's from the kernel subdirectory of /usr/src/linux |
| [04:24:21] | Kichigai: | Anyone have an idea as to what to do with my problem? |
| [04:24:39] | dscoular: | Kichigai, presumably the database is still set to the new theme, but since you removed it perhaps it's crashing. You can set the theme manually using mysql |
| [04:24:55] | Kichigai: | My frontend is separate from my backend |
| [04:25:20] | dscoular: | Kichigai, so what ? The theme chosen is stored in the database. |
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| [04:25:24] | Kichigai: | Besides, the problem was happening even when the theme was installed and used. |
| [04:25:46] | Kichigai: | As in, I was using Tituvilus, and when I installed the package, it continued to use it, but the system crashes. |
| [04:25:49] | Anduin: | Kichigai: mythfrontend -r |
| [04:25:50] | dscoular: | Kichigai, have you looked at the log produced by mythfrontend -v all ? |
| [04:26:04] | alieas: | MonMother: I guess not |
| [04:26:05] | alieas: | http://advancingnetworks.com/media/alieasMakefile2 |
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| [04:26:11] | alieas: | that is. so its 2.6.13 |
| [04:26:19] | alieas: | uname -r is 2.6.12–15.10-default |
| [04:27:49] | Kichigai: | OK, now I feel like a n00b. |
| [04:28:09] | dscoular: | Kichigai, select * from settings where value like '%theme%'; |
| [04:28:45] | dscoular: | after doing "mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg" on your backend. |
| [04:28:47] | Kichigai: | In mythconverg |
| [04:29:10] | Kichigai: | Can't connect. |
| [04:29:28] | dscoular: | Kichigai, login to your backend |
| [04:29:30] | Kichigai: | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| [04:29:36] | Kichigai: | Oh |
| [04:29:38] | ** Kichigai smacks self ** | |
| [04:30:00] | MonMotha: | alieas: and there is your problem |
| [04:30:07] | alieas: | they don't match? |
| [04:30:12] | MonMotha: | your kernel source tree does not match your running kernel |
| [04:30:19] | MonMotha: | your source tree really should match your running kernel |
| [04:30:38] | MonMotha: | and also check that /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build is a symlink to the correct source tree |
| [04:30:42] | alieas: | so whats the best way to match that all up? just go with a newer kernel altogether right ? |
| [04:31:02] | Kichigai: | I got the data up, but to be totally honest, I know next to nothing about MySQL |
| [04:31:10] | Kichigai: | Sorry to be acting like such a n00b |
| [04:31:21] | MonMotha: | alieas: you could upgrade your kernel, or find the source package that matches your running kernel |
| [04:31:33] | MonMotha: | in reality, you only need the headers to build the DVB drivers, but the full tree never hurts |
| [04:31:48] | alieas: | when you say "source package" you mean the source of the package I'm trying to install (cx8800 and cx88-dvb) ? |
| [04:31:51] | MonMotha: | and on a modern machine, the size difference doesn't matter |
| [04:31:59] | MonMotha: | I mean the kernel source dev package |
| [04:32:14] | Kichigai: | Uhm, I'm stuck (again, sorry to be such a n00b) |
| [04:32:45] | dscoular: | Kichigai, that's okay. |
| [04:33:06] | sw_bluntman: | I know this isn't the channel for xine, but I hope someone can help me (please). I can't get xine to display full screen on my widescreen monitor. I have adjusted DisplaySize several times, and it seems to have no effect. Xine still detects the wrong aspect ratio, needs to be set to DVB to be even close, and still doesn't fill the screen right to left. Does anyone have suggestions? |
| [04:33:21] | Kichigai: | I'm guessing I need to clear the data for the back end's host name, but I don't know how. |
| [04:33:53] | Kichigai: | sw_bluntman, isn't there a xine option to force full-screen? |
| [04:34:08] | dscoular: | Kichigai, did you manage to do the select ? |
| [04:34:14] | Kichigai: | dscoular, yes. |
| [04:34:28] | Kichigai: | sw_bluntman, xine -p=f will enable fullscreen |
| [04:34:36] | dscoular: | what was the result ? what is theme set to ? |
| [04:34:48] | Kichigai: | Iulius |
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| [04:34:57] | Kichigai: | I've reinstalled the package, and Iulius exists. |
| [04:35:09] | Kichigai: | It's attempting to pre-scale the theme images, but it crashes after the second pass. |
| [04:35:18] | dscoular: | Ok... I'd set it to blue via the following sql. |
| [04:35:23] | alieas: | I'm sorry uname -r is "2.6.13–15.10-default", and Makefile says 2 – 6 – 13. is that still wrong (I said 2.6.12–15.10-default before) |
| [04:35:37] | Kichigai: | sw_bluntman, xine -r (auto, square, 4:3, anamorphic, dvb) for aspect ratio |
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| [04:36:03] | dscoular: | update settings set data = 'blue' where value = 'Theme'; |
| [04:36:04] | Kichigai: | sw_bluntman, you can find much more information in the xine man page (man xine) |
| [04:36:27] | MonMotha: | alieas: no, probably not. |
| [04:36:37] | sw_bluntman: | Here is my current command line for xine for dvd's : xine -rdvb --video-driverxxmc -f dvd:// |
| [04:36:41] | MonMotha: | just make sure it has the same patches are the kernel you're running (which is usualkly impossible to do) |
| [04:36:49] | sw_bluntman: | sorry -r=dvb |
| [04:36:55] | MonMotha: | so check the symlink in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build |
| [04:37:10] | sw_bluntman: | and --video-driver=xxmc |
| [04:37:12] | MonMotha: | make sure it points to your kernel tree. That's where the DVB drivers will look for headers by default |
| [04:37:18] | ** MonMotha wil bbl ** | |
| [04:37:19] | Kichigai: | sw_bluntman, you mean xvmc? |
| [04:37:42] | Kichigai: | dscoular, no luck. It still crashes. |
| [04:37:54] | dscoular: | Kichigai, What does the log give you ? |
| [04:38:05] | Kichigai: | dscoular, I'm having trouble getting at it. |
| [04:38:19] | Kichigai: | It's on an XBox, and just about everything is automated. |
| [04:38:36] | dscoular: | Kichigai, mythfrontend -v all > /tmp/test.log |
| [04:39:05] | Kichigai: | Waiting for Myth to load. |
| [04:39:45] | sw_bluntman: | Kichigai: currently xxmc, but results are identical with that and xxmc. xvmc just goes right back to the prompt (xine starts then goes away with no output) |
| [04:40:11] | sw_bluntman: | Kichigai: sorry, bad thinking tonight. Results are the same with xxmc and xv |
| [04:40:16] | alieas: | So I guess I should just send this guy his card back then? it doesn't work. that pcHDTV guy is a dick. |
| [04:40:28] | Kichigai: | Oooohhhh! |
| [04:40:33] | Kichigai: | dscoular, It's a problem with mainmenu.xml |
| [04:40:49] | dscoular: | Kichigai, and the error would be... |
| [04:40:59] | Kichigai: | I'm going to try to get a look at it now. |
| [04:42:25] | Kichigai: | FIXED! |
| [04:43:15] | Kichigai: | Thank you for your help, dscoular |
| [04:43:35] | Kichigai: | Looks like I accidentally mangled a button in the XML file for the main menu. |
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| [04:44:15] | dscoular: | Kichigai, no worries. Glad to help. |
| [04:44:55] | isaac_: | whats a good frontend for xine-libs? |
| [04:45:05] | isaac_: | Any recommendations? |
| [04:45:40] | Kichigai: | Say, out of curiosity, is it possibe to make a slave backend without a capture card? |
| [04:46:05] | Dagmar: | Yes, but good luck actually recording anything. |
| [04:46:25] | dev: | hehehe |
| [04:46:57] | Dagmar: | The MythVideo and MythMusic plugins would still be fairly useful |
| [04:47:22] | Kichigai: | Dagmar, actually, my intent was to make the machine able to do user jobs and commflag jobs. |
| [04:47:36] | Dagmar: | That should be possible |
| [04:48:00] | Kichigai: | Mmm, good. |
| [04:48:18] | isaac_: | wait wrong channel |
| [04:48:27] | dev: | yeah i'll be doing the same thing, except im going to make it the masterbackend |
| [04:48:36] | Dagmar: | I've no idea about how one would go about getting the slave to do the file analysis tho |
| [04:48:50] | dev: | then on the slavebackend uncheck that 'allow transcode/commflag jobs on host" box |
| [04:48:53] | dev: | should be goods |
| [04:49:04] | isaac_: | mythtv having problems with qt4? |
| [04:49:28] | isaac_: | there a patch out there or anything? |
| [04:49:38] | dev: | check google/-users |
| [04:49:42] | dev: | wiki too maybe |
| [04:50:23] | Kichigai: | Dagmar, well, assuming you can tell the system to allow commflag and user jobs on hosts other than the one that recorded it, shouldn't the system delegate the jobs to slave backends? |
| [04:50:35] | dev: | yeah it'll work fine kichigai |
| [04:50:47] | dev: | you just tell the masterbackend not to allow transcode/commflag jobs on host |
| [04:50:48] | Dagmar: | I would hope so, but i'm still just keeping everything but the frontend on the same box |
| [04:50:49] | dev: | its in mythtv-setup |
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| [04:51:00] | dev: | i do master/slave right now |
| [04:51:06] | dev: | will be doing master/slave/slave shortly |
| [04:51:10] | dev: | hehe |
| [04:51:16] | dev: | monday, as a matter of fact. |
| [04:51:46] | dev: | be nice, move everything to nice sata2 fileserver with hardware raid5. adaptect 4 port sata2 hehe |
| [04:51:53] | dev: | 4x300gig sata2 seagates |
| [04:52:08] | Kichigai: | Lucky bastard. |
| [04:52:17] | dev: | i saved up, it was expensive |
| [04:52:18] | dev: | 1700 |
| [04:52:19] | dev: | hehe |
| [04:52:22] | dev: | dual xeon 2.8ghz |
| [04:52:25] | dev: | lol |
| [04:52:25] | Kichigai: | up until recently, I was storing my recordings on a 20 GB Western Digital. |
| [04:52:28] | Dagmar: | Ouch |
| [04:52:35] | MonMotha: | alieas: it does work |
| [04:52:36] | Dagmar: | It's gotta hurt that they've got 750Gb drives out now |
| [04:52:41] | MonMotha: | you just can't make it work |
| [04:52:46] | dev: | Dagmar: they're expensive as hell |
| [04:52:52] | MonMotha: | the pcHDTV people were very nice to me |
| [04:53:00] | MonMotha: | and believe me, getting this crap working in windows is even HARDER |
| [04:53:00] | dev: | not cost effective. per gig they are, but they're expensive as hell |
| [04:53:01] | Dagmar: | Nearly the same price point per Gb as their 350Gb drives |
| [04:53:06] | dev: | especially if you have to buy 4 of them |
| [04:53:16] | dev: | yeah, buy 4 of them |
| [04:53:19] | Kichigai: | MonMotha, it was never meant for use with Windows, was it? |
| [04:53:19] | dev: | heh |
| [04:53:22] | dev: | couple grand man |
| [04:53:24] | ** marmoset has 6TB at home right now ** | |
| [04:53:27] | dev: | im not rich! :) |
| [04:53:31] | MonMotha: | Kichigai: I'm talking digital TV in general, thingsl ike the AirStar included |
| [04:53:31] | Dagmar: | I barely know what to do with the one 250Gb drive I'm using |
| [04:53:33] | Kichigai: | I'm at 250 GB now. |
| [04:53:39] | MonMotha: | I know somebody who tried it...took them days |
| [04:53:40] | marmoset: | but that's only cuz I'm borrowing 2TB from work to move some things around ;) |
| [04:53:43] | dev: | im at 300gig now |
| [04:53:44] | Kichigai: | It's taken me something like two days to fill it. |
| [04:53:47] | dev: | its almost always full |
| [04:53:51] | MonMotha: | I had my pcHDTV 3000 working in about an hour |
| [04:54:14] | marmoset: | MonMotha: my pchdtv3000 works in theory, but getting all the channel tunings is a huge pita |
| [04:54:18] | marmoset: | at least for me |
| [04:54:32] | MonMotha: | marmoset: I've never had that problem. MythTV tends to scan pretty well |
| [04:54:40] | marmoset: | scans have never worked for me :/ |
| [04:54:43] | MonMotha: | now, getting guide data associated with it can be a pain, byt that's a MythTV issue |
| [04:54:44] | marmoset: | never finds anything |
| [04:54:46] | MonMotha: | odd |
| [04:54:49] | MonMotha: | terrestrial or cable? |
| [04:54:51] | marmoset: | cable |
| [04:54:59] | MonMotha: | ah, your cableco may be broken |
| [04:54:59] | marmoset: | the signal strength is fine |
| [04:55:07] | MonMotha: | mine was for a long time – they were encrypting their PSIP |
| [04:55:13] | marmoset: | ah maybe |
| [04:55:14] | MonMotha: | which is something they'er really, REALLY not supposed to do |
| [04:55:14] | marmoset: | I dunno |
| [04:55:25] | marmoset: | I have the tunings for all but PBS, they work fine |
| [04:55:34] | marmoset: | had to cobble together information from like 10 places to get them |
| [04:55:45] | MonMotha: | actually, come to think of it, on cable I had to give it the frequencies (transports) by hand |
| [04:55:49] | MonMotha: | then I had it do a transport scan |
| [04:55:55] | MonMotha: | though that was after my cableco unbroke itself |
| [04:55:59] | MonMotha: | I got the frequencies using dvbscan |
| [04:56:41] | marmoset: | I don't even really understand it all |
| [04:56:59] | marmoset: | it's so annoying that there was the potential for all of this to be completely painless |
| [04:57:01] | marmoset: | but noooo |
| [04:57:09] | MonMotha: | most of it's MythTV issues |
| [04:57:22] | MonMotha: | dvbscan very happily found everything for me the first time I ran it |
| [04:57:23] | MonMotha: | t |
| [04:57:26] | Kichigai: | Say, anyone know the e-mail address for whoever is maintaining Myth2iPod? |
| [04:57:28] | marmoset: | well, I think a lot of it is just non-standard-ness |
| [04:57:35] | MonMotha: | another part of the equation is that most cable companies try to be as difficult as possible |
| [04:57:37] | marmoset: | and cable companies not giving out info |
| [04:57:38] | marmoset: | yeah |
| [04:57:38] | marmoset: | haha |
| [04:57:40] | MonMotha: | they want to sell you THEIR DVR product |
| [04:58:03] | MonMotha: | hopefully the ATi cablecard device (to be released when Vista is out, so in a few years) will be made to work under Linux quickly |
| [04:58:11] | MonMotha: | too bad it'll technically be illegal to use it that way |
| [04:58:17] | Dagmar: | hahah |
| [04:58:38] | Dagmar: | Yeah, and people will get an open-source ATI video driver working the next day I'm sure |
| [04:58:54] | MonMotha: | the current MythTV scanning issue is fairly minor. It just doesn't wait long enough for tuning to take place and immediately times out |
| [04:59:00] | MonMotha: | that's apparently been fixed for hte next release |
| [04:59:13] | MonMotha: | Dagmar: actually, the ATi tuner that is currently sold took forever to get support |
| [04:59:16] | MonMotha: | lack of docs, as usual |
| [04:59:31] | MonMotha: | for the longest tiem, the only ATSC tuner that was supported was the pcHDTV |
| [04:59:36] | dev: | dagmar forgot his </sarcasm> flag |
| [04:59:52] | marmoset: | dtvscan just goes up to channel 70 for me without finding anything |
| [04:59:56] | marmoset: | at least as far as I can tell |
| [05:00:03] | MonMotha: | marmoset: wrong tool |
| [05:00:20] | MonMotha: | that's for the old, obsolete v4l drivers |
| [05:00:20] | marmoset: | oh ok |
| [05:00:24] | MonMotha: | you need dvbscan using the US cable frequencies |
| [05:00:25] | marmoset: | sorry, misread that |
| [05:00:25] | marmoset: | yeah |
| [05:00:28] | MonMotha: | it goes way, way up there |
| [05:00:38] | MonMotha: | my cableco has digital stuff above 650MHz |
| [05:00:40] | marmoset: | I seem to recall that not working at all for me |
| [05:00:45] | MonMotha: | at that point, I dont' evne think they number the channels anymore :) |
| [05:01:00] | MonMotha: | you are using the DVB drivers, not the old stuff, right? |
| [05:01:16] | MonMotha: | cx88-dvb |
| [05:01:38] | marmoset: | yeah |
| [05:01:46] | MonMotha: | should work then |
| [05:01:54] | marmoset: | although it's been like 6 months since I tried dvbscan, several installs |
| [05:02:01] | marmoset: | I get sick of messing with it and give up ;) |
| [05:02:11] | marmoset: | not enough time, too many other things to do |
| [05:02:27] | marmoset: | it's actually essentially working fine right now except the no-pbs stuff |
| [05:02:50] | Kichigai: | Can they LEGALLY encrypt PUBLIC broadcasts? |
| [05:03:25] | marmoset: | the dvb card is in a separate machine tho, not part of my regular mythtv install, since (in the past) it messed up a lot and thus I missed things |
| [05:03:39] | marmoset: | if it can not do stupid things for a month I'll redo it as a slave backend |
| [05:03:57] | MonMotha: | if their system has (IIRC) > 450MHz of bandwidth and digital HD capability, they must provide you the local broadcast channels unencrypted |
| [05:04:04] | MonMotha: | I don't believe the regulation says anything about quality |
| [05:04:19] | MonMotha: | so they can take them, downres them to 320x240 and cram them into 256kbit if they want to |
| [05:04:54] | Kichigai: | But encrypted? |
| [05:04:58] | MonMotha: | marmoset: I have the opposite problem. The DVB stuff works great, if only ivtv didn't abort recordings all the time |
| [05:05:18] | marmoset: | heh |
| [05:05:19] | marmoset: | weird |
| [05:05:19] | MonMotha: | Kichigai: no, if you buy basic cable (not even digital) and their system meets the specs, they have to provide them in the clear, and with PSIP info |
| [05:05:50] | Kichigai: | Wait, I'm confused. |
| [05:05:52] | MonMotha: | they also ahve to lease you a box, with IEEE1394 (though it can be 4C encrypted) active at your request, without requiring that you otherwise buy digital cable |
| [05:05:56] | Kichigai: | marmoset, is your PBS encrypted? |
| [05:06:04] | marmoset: | Kichigai: nah, in the past I found it and it worked |
| [05:06:11] | MonMotha: | PBS shouldn't be encrypted if there is a broadcast affiliate in your area |
| [05:06:11] | marmoset: | I've long since lost that config tho |
| [05:06:11] | Kichigai: | MonMotha, they have to? |
| [05:06:15] | MonMotha: | Kichigai: FCC mandate |
| [05:06:23] | Kichigai: | Cool! |
| [05:06:23] | MonMotha: | good luck calling them on it, but they do have to |
| [05:06:33] | MonMotha: | there's a BUNCH of requirements their network has to meet first, but most modern cable systems do |
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| [05:06:58] | MonMotha: | if they're not providing it, and they won't talk to you, your best bet would be to call up the local town office that manages their franchise and complain. Call the cableco first of course |
| [05:07:01] | Kichigai: | We have digital cable right now, and I've been interested in getting an HD box so I don't have to mess with the IR blaster for the upper few hundred stations. |
| [05:07:20] | MonMotha: | be warned that comcast is apparently activating the encryption feature on their IEEE1394 outputs now |
| [05:07:41] | Kichigai: | So, in this case, I can ask ComCast to deliver an HD box, but not order HD content? |
| [05:07:42] | marmoset: | MonMotha: hmm, nothing but tuning failed so far |
| [05:07:44] | MonMotha: | many cablecos have also been known to disable the channel change feature over firewire |
| [05:08:02] | MonMotha: | Kichigai: correct. You should get your local networks for free, as long as you have basic cable or more through them |
| [05:08:03] | Kichigai: | Is THAT legal? |
| [05:08:08] | MonMotha: | sure |
| [05:08:14] | MonMotha: | you can also use your own box, if you happen to own one |
| [05:08:24] | MonMotha: | as long as you're not stealing service |
| [05:08:45] | Kichigai: | MonMotha, Digital cable (standard def), I just want everything pre-digitized. |
| [05:08:58] | Kichigai: | We don't have any services like HBO, or other for-pay channels. |
| [05:09:16] | MonMotha: | Kichigai: ok, you should be able to ask for one with IEEE1394 output enabled (and they are required to provide it for no additional fee) |
| [05:09:27] | MonMotha: | you'll get the raw TS or maybe demuxed PS straight off the cable line |
| [05:09:35] | MonMotha: | however, it is sometimes encrypted on certain networks |
| [05:09:39] | MonMotha: | and that's allowed |
| [05:09:45] | Kichigai: | Yeah, that's kind of my worry. |
| [05:10:14] | MonMotha: | in my opinion, it shoudln't be allowed (I'm paying for your damn box so that I can access your content, why keep me from it?), but that's the FCC's rules |
| [05:10:58] | MonMotha: | however, since they can't charge you any extra for it above normal box rental (and I gather you already ahve digital cable, so you probably already have one), it's worth a shot |
| [05:11:03] | MonMotha: | heck, your box may already have it. Check the back |
| [05:11:08] | Kichigai: | Not only are we paying for the damn box, but we're paying for the service. |
| [05:11:09] | MonMotha: | or are you using a cablecard? |
| [05:11:21] | Kichigai: | MonMotha, It doesn't. I've seen it. |
| [05:11:28] | MonMotha: | ok, then call them up and ask for one |
| [05:11:37] | Kichigai: | Yeah, I should. |
| [05:11:43] | Kichigai: | But I need a firewire disk first. |
| [05:11:44] | MonMotha: | they shouldn't charge you any extra |
| [05:11:48] | MonMotha: | no, it won't record to a disk |
| [05:11:57] | MonMotha: | there's a convoluted protocol it speaks |
| [05:12:01] | MonMotha: | MythTV also speaks it, though |
| [05:12:03] | Kichigai: | I mean card. |
| [05:12:05] | MonMotha: | so you can hook the box up to your PC |
| [05:12:19] | MonMotha: | oh, yeah. You'll need IEEE1394 on your PC, of coruse |
| [05:12:21] | Kichigai: | I don't have a firewire card in my system. |
| [05:12:23] | Kichigai: | Yet. |
| [05:12:39] | MonMotha: | I put one in my backend with the intention of trying it, but the cableco where I was at at the time was exempt |
| [05:12:42] | MonMotha: | and I don't have digital cable here |
| [05:13:02] | MonMotha: | to be fair, the guys at the cableco did try to let me use a box I had laying around, but they had no firmware for that model |
| [05:13:07] | MonMotha: | they were actually pretty damned helpful |
| [05:13:13] | MonMotha: | Charter Brazil, IN ++ |
| [05:13:26] | Kichigai: | ComCast, MN |
| [05:13:32] | MonMotha: | comcast...good luck :) |
| [05:13:36] | Kichigai: | Ugh. |
| [05:13:49] | MonMotha: | comcast is apparently at least aware of the regulations |
| [05:13:53] | Kichigai: | I wish someone would strike down the cable-monopoly law, make them compete against each other. |
| [05:13:59] | MonMotha: | they do in some places |
| [05:14:11] | MonMotha: | there's like one street in Indianapolis, IN where you can get Bright House or Comcast |
| [05:14:14] | Kichigai: | Then we might get some service like we do out of our cellular plans: worth something. |
| [05:14:15] | marmoset: | heh, seattle has a competing one, they service like 4 houses |
| [05:14:19] | MonMotha: | most people go with Bright House |
| [05:14:56] | MonMotha: | better cable modems, better cable, roughly the same price (like $5/mo more for cable modems and $7/mo more for the uber digital cable package) |
| [05:14:56] | Kichigai: | ComCast managed to piss me off already. |
| [05:15:05] | MonMotha: | comcast manages to piss most people off |
| [05:15:16] | MonMotha: | me included, despite the fact that I've never had their service |
| [05:15:17] | Kichigai: | Not just their line service, but their employees. |
| [05:15:31] | Kichigai: | They came here, and replaced a line on the outside of my house. |
| [05:15:35] | MonMotha: | their commercials alone are annoying – one was so bad it gave me a horrible headache from the strobe effects |
| [05:15:48] | marmoset: | comcastic is almost as bad as webinar |
| [05:16:01] | MonMotha: | Bright House seems fairly good, once you get to talk to people who know what's going on |
| [05:16:03] | marmoset: | the "inventors" of both words should be punished |
| [05:16:10] | MonMotha: | they're knowledgable and willing to help out |
| [05:16:11] | Kichigai: | Then they left hte old line, left the new line on the ground, and left the splitter box busted open. |
| [05:16:41] | Kichigai: | *when they came out here |
| [05:16:45] | MonMotha: | I've heard mixed reports from Charter customers. Seems to be locale dependant |
| [05:16:53] | MonMotha: | *dependent |
| [05:17:16] | marmoset: | no luck with dvbscan, fwiw |
| [05:17:58] | Kichigai: | I hate ComCast's ads about their OnDemand services. |
| [05:18:02] | Kichigai: | It's nothing like what they deliver. |
| [05:18:30] | Kichigai: | They update stuff something in the neighborhood of once a month. |
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| [05:58:00] | isaac_: | can someone help? I'm having troublle running mythtv-setup. |
| [05:58:39] | isaac_: | DB Error (KickDatabase) |
| [05:58:45] | isaac_: | when i try and run it |
| [06:00:56] | alieas: | MonMotha: I think I got the cx8800 and cx88-dvb modules installed :) |
| [06:01:26] | alieas: | MonMotha: if you have a second comming up, could you look at this really quick |
| [06:01:27] | alieas: | http://www.pchdtv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1471 |
| [06:01:43] | alieas: | I posted my dmesg, and just want to know if it looks ok.. |
| [06:03:02] | alieas: | I have tried xxyzy's atscscan and dtvscan -q |
| [06:03:23] | alieas: | but if that dmesg looks correct I will go buy an antenna to check verify that ATSC works before QAM |
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| [06:48:54] | Neosat: | I am running mythtv-setup as root with no problems or errors but when I try to run it as mythtv user I get: This app was compiled against libmyth version: 0.19.20060631–1 |
| [06:53:28] | dscoular: | Neosat, what distro... sounds like your mythtv user is using a different path and finding a differing version. |
| [06:53:31] | Neosat: | Anyone around please? |
| [06:54:07] | Neosat: | debian |
| [06:54:29] | Neosat: | with kde |
| [06:54:58] | dscoular: | Try typing which mythtv-setup as root, then as mythtv user. |
| [06:55:57] | Neosat: | If I try it as root it's working but as mythtv I get errors on lib |
| [06:56:34] | dscoular: | Try typing "which mythtv-setup" as root, then as the mythtv user. |
| [06:57:01] | dscoular: | dscoular, do the paths differ ? |
| [06:57:15] | ** dscoular is talking to himself again ;) ** | |
| [06:57:52] | Neosat: | yes you have right as root is running mythtv-setup from /usr/bin |
| [06:58:03] | Neosat: | and as mythtv from /usr/local/bin |
| [06:59:07] | Neosat: | Now I have try running as mythtv user the mythtv-setup from /usr/bin but I got: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| [07:00:01] | dscoular: | Neosat, so one is from apt-get and the other is your attempt to compile from source ? |
| [07:00:34] | dscoular: | Neosat, sounds like you are running X as root... you are very confused methinks. |
| [07:00:55] | Neosat: | first I install apt-get to create automaticaly the users etc and then I have remove it and install it from source |
| [07:02:30] | dscoular: | You obviously didn't remove it then. |
| [07:02:34] | Neosat: | I have startx as mythtv |
| [07:02:40] | dscoular: | good |
| [07:02:47] | Neosat: | I did apt-get remove mythtv |
| [07:04:38] | dscoular: | It obviously wasn't successful in removing the binary. Just explicitly use the full path when referring to any mythtv programs... e.g. /usr/local/bin/mythbackend and /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend etc. |
| [07:04:56] | dscoular: | You'll have to edit any startup files and make them use the full path too. |
| [07:05:39] | Neosat: | I can not make mythtv user to start mythtv-setup |
| [07:05:43] | dscoular: | You shouldn't have installed it you should have done "apt-get build-dep mythtv" |
| [07:06:04] | Neosat: | I did that |
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| [07:06:55] | dscoular: | You were not supposed to install mythtv via apt-get as well! |
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| [07:07:37] | Neosat: | How I give access to mythtv on X server? |
| [07:07:42] | dscoular: | So now you should find things will work as long as you explicitly invoke with /usr/local/bin/myth* |
| [07:07:54] | dscoular: | Neosat, who are you starting X as ? |
| [07:08:14] | Neosat: | I have start it as mythtv |
| [07:08:41] | Neosat: | but when I try to run mythtv-setup from /usr/local/bin I get Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| [07:09:05] | dscoular: | And you are running that from an X term as the mythtv user ? |
| [07:09:36] | Neosat: | I am running it from a console in kde |
| [07:09:49] | dscoular: | Type "id" in that console |
| [07:09:56] | dscoular: | what does it say ? |
| [07:10:18] | Neosat: | Ah wait I get root |
| [07:10:27] | Neosat: | I will have to reboot as mythtv |
| [07:10:33] | dscoular: | no!!!! |
| [07:10:37] | Neosat: | ok |
| [07:10:46] | dscoular: | Simply logout and login again |
| [07:11:02] | Neosat: | ok |
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| [07:25:49] | Neosat: | dscoular? |
| [07:27:31] | dscoular: | hi |
| [07:27:35] | Neosat: | It's working now |
| [07:27:41] | dscoular: | sweet |
| [07:27:46] | Neosat: | Thanks |
| [07:28:02] | Neosat: | How can I set to autologin as mythtv on booting? |
| [07:28:06] | dscoular: | You'll need to ensure mythbackend is started as /usr/local/bin |
| [07:28:12] | Neosat: | in kde |
| [07:28:21] | dscoular: | Read the documentation... |
| [07:28:29] | Neosat: | ok |
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| [07:29:10] | dscoular: | Here's a clue... ~/.kde/Autostart/mymythscript |
| [07:29:43] | dscoular: | where mymythscript does the following: |
| [07:30:02] | dscoular: | #!/bin/bash |
| [07:30:02] | dscoular: | /usr/X11R6/bin/xset -dpms s off |
| [07:30:02] | dscoular: | export QT_XFT=1 |
| [07:30:02] | dscoular: | while true; do |
| [07:30:02] | dscoular: | /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend >> /tmp/mythfrontend.log 2>> /tmp/mythfrontend.err |
| [07:30:02] | dscoular: | done |
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| [08:00:23] | pembo13: | i have a problem by which all channels in the guide show up 1 channel to high, ie. the listing for channel 58 shows up for channel 59 instead, how could i fix this? |
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| [08:02:12] | asd26: | dudes i need to perfect composite out |
| [08:02:31] | asd26: | like what Digital setbox would out put |
| [08:08:09] | SlicerDicer-: | composite? |
| [08:08:15] | SlicerDicer-: | why composite? |
| [08:10:37] | dscoular: | asd26, composite seems to work perfectly from my NVidia MX440 for standard definition... whats the problem ? |
| [08:12:27] | asd26: | dscoular i mean the proper resolution |
| [08:12:42] | asd26: | its at 800x600 i think |
| [08:12:51] | asd26: | but it overlaps the screen |
| [08:13:09] | asd26: | i think common dvd player, settop box, uses the pal resolution |
| [08:13:18] | dscoular: | You should be able to adjust that with the overscan settings in myth |
| [08:13:30] | asd26: | just trying to clone the dvd players resolution |
| [08:13:48] | dscoular: | I just run at 800x600 and let the card do it's magic. |
| [08:15:02] | SlicerDicer-: | 720x480 is the res that I run |
| [08:15:05] | SlicerDicer-: | for my SDTV |
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| [08:17:02] | asd26: | dscoular in the nvidia settings it doesn't state it's resolution i think |
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| [08:17:53] | dscoular: | asd26, it does in my xorg.conf |
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| [08:19:28] | dscoular: | From my "display" subsection: Modes "800x600" |
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| [08:19:35] | asd26: | Mythtv has been working well, still no really hard issues |
| [08:19:56] | asd26: | recording seems to have no problems no crashes |
| [08:20:33] | asd26: | http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/7001 thats a bit of my settings |
| [08:21:54] | asd26: | http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/7002 another one |
| [08:22:42] | dscoular: | Here's mine http://pastebin.com/755129 |
| [08:23:41] | dscoular: | I see your using the overscan in your xorg.conf... I haven't needed to adjust mine at all... but if I did I'd probably try doing it in mythtv. |
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| [08:26:03] | asd26: | dscoular mine is xfree4.3 |
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| [08:26:20] | asd26: | i just put overscan to 0.0 |
| [08:26:23] | dscoular: | heh, how old skool |
| [08:26:37] | asd26: | dscoular it knopmyth |
| [08:27:25] | dscoular: | I see one section is for your monitor... the other for your tv. |
| [08:27:47] | dscoular: | I think the overscan is only related to your monitor section. |
| [08:30:18] | asd26: | lol i now have 3.5inch black borders :) |
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| [08:32:37] | asd26: | overscan does work |
| [08:33:21] | asd26: | still i think 800x600 on a televison causes an incorrect raito |
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| [08:36:13] | asd26: | borders on top are like 1 inch and sides is like a half and inch |
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| [08:39:28] | dscoular: | even outside mythtv ? |
| [08:41:23] | asd26: | ok 0.6 seems to be ok |
| [08:42:14] | ** dscoular gets the ferry into the city... later all ** | |
| [08:42:17] | asd26: | dscoular it's not perfect but it's much better |
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| [09:04:00] | Juski: | morning |
| [09:04:54] | Juski: | so there I was last night, compiling 0.19-fixes on my xbox, when "../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `chanlists'" happenned. I thought I had everything I needed |
| [09:06:49] | Freman: | MTD keeps broking... 23:57:24: Error: Couldn't write blocks during a rip. Filesystem size exceeded? Disc full? |
| [09:07:01] | Freman: | Filesystem is ext3, disk has 108gb free |
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| [09:07:32] | Juski: | ext3, max filesize is 2GB IIRC |
| [09:07:49] | Juski: | use a proper filesystem ;-) |
| [09:08:07] | Juski: | dammit what the fuck am I talking about? |
| [09:08:14] | Juski: | that's FAT32!!! |
| [09:08:18] | Juski: | sorry!! |
| [09:08:35] | ** Juski STFU ** | |
| [09:08:40] | Freman: | hehe |
| [09:09:09] | Juski: | !trout Juski |
| [09:09:09] | ** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a trout on behalf of Juski... ** | |
| [09:09:16] | Juski: | that might wake me up some |
| [09:09:38] | asd26: | http://www.kingcot.eclipse.co.uk/unichrome/xorg.conf.txt EG file of proper res |
| [09:10:12] | Freman: | gah... |
| [09:10:14] | ** Freman shrugs ** | |
| [09:10:20] | Freman: | I dunno why it's doing it )c: |
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| [09:10:51] | Juski: | morning Coume |
| [09:11:03] | Freman: | xfs seems not to have a problem with it |
| [09:11:10] | Coume: | morning juski :( |
| [09:11:17] | Juski: | Coume: what's up? |
| [09:12:16] | Coume: | Juski, we had the "first sign" yesterday, we got an hardware failure. They are currently migrating onto brand new server but they cannot give me an ETA :( |
| [09:13:22] | Juski: | oh hell |
| [09:13:37] | Coume: | yep, just have to wait... I can't do anything... |
| [09:14:24] | Coume: | that's a bad week-end start... |
| [09:14:32] | Juski: | I'll say |
| [09:14:47] | _willcooke_: | morning all |
| [09:14:50] | _willcooke_: | nice day for it |
| [09:14:53] | Coume: | Juski, my pundit have a eth working :) |
| [09:14:56] | ** _willcooke_ cleans the car ** | |
| [09:14:57] | Juski: | morning _willcooke_ |
| [09:15:08] | ** Juski is tidying the garden later ** | |
| [09:15:10] | Coume: | morning _willcooke_ |
| [09:15:16] | ** _willcooke_ waves ** | |
| [09:15:19] | Juski: | Coume: at least that's some good news |
| [09:15:38] | Juski: | I'm trying to build mythtv-019-fixes on my xbox at the mo |
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| [09:16:20] | asd26: | anyone got correct tv-out settings on mythtv using a nvidia card? |
| [09:16:33] | Coume: | Juski, I'm thinking about using a CF to IDE adaptor to avoid havinga very long boot time and to keep it silent. |
| [09:18:48] | Juski: | Coume: cool |
| [09:19:09] | Juski: | asd26: no such thing – everybody's will be different (for different TVs) |
| [09:19:50] | Coume: | Juski, did you decide for the backend? SVN or ? |
| [09:19:56] | Coume: | Juski, did you decide for the backend? SVN or 0.19 |
| [09:20:00] | Juski: | right I'm still getting ... ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `chanlists' |
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| [09:20:23] | Juski: | haven't made up my mind completely yet but I think it'll be 0.19-fixes |
| [09:20:42] | Juski: | there'll probably be a 0.19.1 by the time the show rolls along though |
| [09:22:40] | asd26: | http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=33758 |
| [09:22:44] | asd26: | check that out |
| [09:22:51] | asd26: | but i don't have the gui version |
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| [09:24:43] | Juski: | asd26: only relevant if you have a card older than gf4 |
| [09:26:31] | ** Coume needs to rest + water... No comment about last night :) ** | |
| [09:26:35] | Juski: | lol |
| [09:26:46] | Juski: | looks like I'd forgotten to ldconfig last night at 3am |
| [09:27:06] | Juski: | spoke too soon :-( |
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| [09:27:39] | asd26: | Juski it only works on gf2? |
| [09:27:50] | Coume: | Juski, I hope the hardware will be quickly sorted... it has been around 2–3hours already ;( |
| [09:29:09] | Juski: | asd26: for everything else use nvidia-settings like I've told you more than once |
| [09:29:12] | Coume: | I will be back :) |
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| [09:29:24] | Juski: | Coume: I hope it gets sorted.. now it's breakfast time |
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| [09:30:46] | asd26: | Juski nvidia-setting doesn't have resolution choices |
| [09:31:10] | _willcooke_: | hmmm – anyone else compiling mythplugins from svn atm? |
| [09:31:16] | asd26: | overscan is not the perfect solution |
| [09:33:14] | asd26: | an LCD television would have so much less hassles |
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| [09:48:10] | Juski: | asd26: you reckon? even lcds & plasmas suffer from overscan (some of them) |
| [09:51:08] | Juski: | asd26: so just use whatever fits your tv closest. this isn't rocket science. I mean in an _ideal_ world you'd use 720x480 or 720x576 but without the right modeline & know-how.... |
| [09:52:05] | Juski: | _willcooke_: not me, but I'm having to compile all of mythtv since --no-backend isn't working :-( |
| [09:53:32] | _willcooke_: | eek |
| [09:53:37] | _willcooke_: | whats that all about? |
| [09:53:47] | _willcooke_: | can you just change the configure file? |
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| [09:53:50] | watson540: | i know that my ati all in wonder card wont work in mythtv, but im desperate to find someone who actuallly has one running, please msg me if you do and/or please canb someone suggesdt a proper 'tv' oriented channel i can ask this in? |
| [09:54:00] | Juski: | I probably could just change that |
| [09:54:32] | _willcooke_: | I've just compiled a BE only on my slave BE by editing the configure file, and it worked |
| [09:54:38] | Juski: | watson540: you don't stand a cat in hell's chance of getting the video in to work with AIW crap |
| [09:55:23] | _willcooke_: | Actaully – the configure file could do with a patch to show if sensors are being included or not – 5 min job, I'll go and do that now I think... |
| [09:56:46] | Juski: | _willcooke_: I don't think editing the configure file will do much for me. the build complained of a function that was missing – prolly because the backend was disabled |
| [09:57:25] | _willcooke_: | Odd – it /does/ work with out the FE 'cos I've just done it – BUT that might be because I compiled a FE previously |
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| [09:59:17] | Juski: | it complains... ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `chanlists' |
| [09:59:21] | _willcooke_: | Now, is lmsensors and "input" ? |
| [09:59:50] | _willcooke_: | Juski, yeah – that makes sense, in which case the reason it works for me is prolly cos I did compile the FE on that box once already |
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| [10:05:56] | Juski: | yay I found my big hammer :-) |
| [10:06:00] | _willcooke_: | :)) |
| [10:06:17] | Juski: | I'll need it to smash up my old bath |
| [10:06:47] | _willcooke_: | Right, Shower, s**t, shave and shoe shine – time to get dressed and get all my jobs done. Laters |
| [10:07:03] | Juski: | okees |
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| [10:22:22] | psofa: | HAUPPAUGE WINTV PVR 150 MCE PCI BULK 98euros |
| [10:22:34] | psofa: | HAUPPAUGE WINTV PVR 150 PCI 79euros |
| [10:22:36] | psofa: | Oo |
| [10:22:43] | psofa: | from the same shop |
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| [10:39:11] | psofa: | the only diff i see on them except the fm radio is: |
| [10:39:13] | psofa: | Nicam stereo audio decoder, for great TV sound |
| [10:39:25] | psofa: | that is said only in mce an not plain |
| [10:39:32] | psofa: | any ideas? |
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| [10:41:35] | psofa: | cmon anyone? i want to go buy the card:P |
| [10:46:01] | psofa: | ah im idiot nm |
| [10:46:07] | psofa: | both say nicam |
| [10:46:38] | psofa: | so the only diff is the fm.And for this useless thing they charge 20euros? |
| [10:48:55] | gardengnome: | what about the remote? |
| [10:54:38] | psofa: | the mce doesn have a remote |
| [10:54:59] | psofa: | but i dont get it . why's the plain one cheaper? |
| [10:57:09] | Juski: | hey gardengnome :-) |
| [10:59:48] | Juski: | still no delivery :-( |
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| [11:03:20] | Juski: | just aswell really – I have other stuff to do today ;-) |
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| [11:09:45] | Juski: | haha: http://www.nucastle.co.uk//attachment.php?s=&postid=1019199 |
| [11:11:59] | gardengnome: | Juski: no delivery for me either!!!! i'm close to switching to hulk mode |
| [11:12:33] | Juski: | 2 bloody weeks I've been waiting.. this is unacceptable |
| [11:12:54] | gardengnome: | yep. especially for me, because it'd be national delivery. |
| [11:12:56] | Juski: | though it was only shipped last saturday apparently |
| [11:13:05] | ** Juski nukes DHL ** | |
| [11:13:19] | Juski: | if I can't have my stuff nobody can – muhahahahaha |
| [11:13:31] | gardengnome: | hehe |
| [11:13:43] | Juski: | saying that it's prolly more Royal Mail to blame at this end |
| [11:13:44] | gardengnome: | luckily, i have other stuff to do today. but tomorrow will be boring :/ |
| [11:14:04] | Juski: | if I finish tidying the garden I can smell a BBQ coming on |
| [11:14:52] | gardengnome: | yummy |
| [11:15:06] | Juski: | just gonna finish this cig then put the rubbish in the car, take it to the tip.. and then start on the house |
| [11:15:29] | gardengnome: | i get quite jealous that you're in GMT ;) |
| [11:15:35] | Juski: | my old bath fitted into one big rubble sack... in bits of course |
| [11:15:57] | gardengnome: | heh |
| [11:16:09] | Juski: | right – time to take the seats out of the Seat .. bbl |
| [11:18:26] | gardengnome: | Juski: i've just looked at my seller's profile. she's got a bad assesment/rating/whatchamacallit from another buyer saying that he paid for his stuff in march and still hasn't received anything. |
| [11:18:50] | Juski: | ugh |
| [11:20:49] | ** gardengnome goes to yell at someone. ** | |
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| [11:37:36] | Freman: | is there a better way then mplayer to watch videos/dvds? |
| [11:37:53] | Freman: | every time myth launches mplayer I loose all control of everything while it's running |
| [11:38:00] | Freman: | I have to ssh in and kill mplayer |
| [11:39:15] | gardengnome: | Juski: i've sent her an email explaining that the legislation in the federal republic of germany also covers fraud.. :) |
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| [11:52:40] | dotted: | how do you boost AC3 volume? |
| [11:53:46] | gardengnome: | if you're using AC3 pass-through: i don't think that's possible. if not: dunno :) |
| [11:54:06] | gardengnome: | Freman: you're probably not running a window manager; or yours is not properly configured. |
| [11:54:24] | Freman: | nope, no window manager... I should run one huh? |
| [11:55:05] | gardengnome: | yep. if you're concerned about ressource usage, you might wanna take a look at ratpoison/jwm/evilwm/fluxbox |
| [12:00:26] | Freman: | hmm reading the wiki... I'm not having problems with 'window visability' just driving the damn window |
| [12:01:31] | Freman: | never mind, I read more wiki and found my issue (c: |
| [12:03:21] | Freman: | now to work out how to make fluxbox execute myth... I should be able to execute it with & in the .xinitrc then the myth huh |
| [12:03:56] | gardengnome: | Juski: i'Ve got just got it. |
| [12:04:13] | gardengnome: | Freman: yep, that's how i do it |
| [12:04:42] | Freman: | and amazingly enough – it works when I do it (c: |
| [12:04:54] | Freman: | now to work on making sure I get the english audio... |
| [12:11:29] | Freman: | gah, now mplayer isn't playing audio through spdif |
| [12:11:37] | Freman: | it does for videos, but not for dvd preview... |
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| [12:20:29] | Freman: | who's got an xine keymap they can share |
| [12:20:41] | Freman: | I can't right mouse... that would mean I had a mouse (C: |
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| [13:37:27] | Yalla-One: | highway1, I just got a new TV provider at home who sends over IP, and thus I have a small Amino set-top-box that converts the IP/TV signals to coax, and does the multicast join/leave. As the SetTopBox runs on Linux, is there any reasons why this functionality cannot be embedded directly into Myth? |
| [13:38:23] | gardengnome: | Yalla-One: there's been some discussion about that, search svn.mythtv.org and www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ |
| [13:38:43] | stuarta: | isn't that what the hdhomerun stuff does? |
| [13:38:49] | Yalla-One: | Thanks gardengnome! |
| [13:39:08] | gardengnome: | i've got my iptv set top box today. gonna turn it into a mythfrontend :) |
| [13:40:30] | Yalla-One: | gardengnome, That's what I'd like to do – or the other way around – get my silverstone-chassis to work as my IP SetTopBox. However, google hasn't shown me any open-source STB-systems at all – will check hdhomerun though |
| [13:40:59] | Juski: | gardengnome: good for you! :) :( |
| [13:41:03] | Juski: | ;-) |
| [13:41:06] | gardengnome: | yeah, more the other way around :) |
| [13:41:19] | stuarta: | Juski: got your box yet? |
| [13:41:22] | Juski: | nah |
| [13:41:36] | Juski: | has hell frozen over yet? will England win the world cup of tea? |
| [13:41:41] | Yalla-One: | Nah – hdhomerun is opposite. What we're looking for is just a software stack to do the channel change (multicast stuff) and mpeg2/H.264 decoding and then integrate in MythFrontend |
| [13:41:41] | gardengnome: | Juski: i'm sure you'll receive yours soon. c'mon, mine arrived today and it was national mailing for me. and trust me, you'll love tha cute box :) |
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| [13:42:03] | gardengnome: | Yalla-One: there are some iptv patches. see trac and the maling list |
| [13:42:18] | Yalla-One: | gardengnome, Searching – guess I'm just searching slowly ;) |
| [13:42:19] | Juski: | at least my garden is much tidier & I have somewhere near the kitchen to put a BBQ :-) |
| [13:42:43] | gardengnome: | Juski: spiffy :) |
| [13:42:52] | Juski: | yay mythtv compiled on my xbox. pity I had to enable everything to make it happen :-/ |
| [13:43:04] | Juski: | --no-backend broke it |
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| [13:43:09] | Yalla-One: | Another thing I'd like to see which might also be on the list / svn, is to integrate radio andinternet radio into one module – radio is radio – the users shouldn't have to care about the source (whether it's IP or comes from a radio-HW-card) |
| [13:45:19] | Juski: | gardengnome: so how long did it take since they got paid? |
| [13:45:47] | ** Juski 's wife yells "ing ger luuuuund... " :-/ ** | |
| [13:46:28] | stuarta: | damn futzball |
| [13:46:41] | gardengnome: | Juski: you do the math. money left my bank account on 24.05 |
| [13:48:27] | Juski: | not bad |
| [13:48:42] | Juski: | so maybe monday for me, or tuesday, or... |
| [13:48:57] | Juski: | if I've not got it by this time next week I will raise hell |
| [13:50:16] | gardengnome: | sounds sensible |
| [13:50:34] | gardengnome: | the shitty part is: i don't have the right cable. and i can't make one because i don't have the right connector. |
| [13:50:52] | Juski: | ouchio |
| [13:51:32] | Juski: | compiling plugins now |
| [13:51:42] | gardengnome: | heh |
| [13:52:00] | gardengnome: | i'm prolly just gonna install zenslack on my mp3 portable; i can't be bothered to fiddle with gentoo right now |
| [13:52:15] | Juski: | using distcc to get the job done – much easier... and if I screw up all I need to do is copy a 2GB rootfs file back :-) |
| [13:52:48] | Juski: | stuarta: you not been out in der sunshiny ? |
| [13:53:18] | stuarta: | I have. visited the markets, fresh veg, fresh fish... :) |
| [13:53:27] | Juski: | sounds delish |
| [13:53:42] | janneg: | stuarta: any progress on the memleak? |
| [13:53:45] | gardengnome: | Juski: at least with the default software, you can start the box from standby via remote. :) |
| [13:53:58] | ** gardengnome is excited. ** | |
| [13:54:00] | stuarta: | this evenings menu, monkfish in parma ham, with risotto.... |
| [13:54:02] | Juski: | gardengnome: is it just a dumb serial port thing then? |
| [13:54:09] | ** Juski drools ** | |
| [13:54:51] | stuarta: | janneg: I've improved it slightly, just had another thought about what it might be... think I need a clear() somewhere... |
| [13:55:27] | gardengnome: | Juski: i don't know. do you think i should get a screwdriver? :) |
| [13:56:37] | janneg: | ok. I'll take a look now |
| [13:57:24] | stuarta: | http://pastebin.ca/61314 is the initial patch |
| [14:06:52] | gardengnome: | Juski: wow, the PSU is almost as large as the mainboard :) |
| [14:07:41] | Juski: | lol |
| [14:07:49] | Juski: | you know how I've always said my xbox is noisy? |
| [14:08:04] | gardengnome: | yeah, i remember that |
| [14:08:06] | Juski: | well – it's up here in the back room of the house & you can hear it from the front door |
| [14:08:10] | Juski: | whiiiiiine |
| [14:08:27] | stuarta: | aeroplane? |
| [14:08:40] | Juski: | just like a 2khz tone really |
| [14:09:00] | Juski: | oo plugins are finished compiling |
| [14:09:14] | Juski: | I need to get distcc on my bongo box I reckon |
| [14:09:19] | dev: | good morning. |
| [14:10:12] | stuarta: | morning |
| [14:10:20] | Juski: | good day |
| [14:10:49] | stuarta: | g'day is how you 'sposed to say it. |
| [14:11:06] | Juski: | I bet. and it's barbie not BBQ ;-) |
| [14:11:22] | dev: | g'day mate right hehe |
| [14:11:23] | stuarta: | indeed... |
| [14:11:45] | Juski: | right – xbox now all configureyed |
| [14:11:55] | Juski: | can I get a woo woo? :-P |
| [14:12:10] | dev: | how are you doing mythtv on it? xbmc plugin? |
| [14:12:11] | gardengnome: | wooohoo |
| [14:12:18] | Juski: | dev: xebian |
| [14:12:24] | stuarta: | wibble |
| [14:12:28] | Juski: | the xbmc plugin _works_ but is sucky |
| [14:12:31] | dev: | yeah.. |
| [14:12:44] | dev: | w0oo0! |
| [14:12:48] | Juski: | xbmc is too l337 for the peeps I'm showing it to |
| [14:13:10] | dev: | :) how did you do it, format the entire hd and install it on there or did you do the .iso method? |
| [14:13:18] | Juski: | I cheated |
| [14:13:20] | dev: | i wanted to try the second one but, bleh, lazy |
| [14:13:34] | dev: | ? |
| [14:13:49] | Juski: | already got it chipped with a rogue bootloader, so I copied the xebian fs onto there with ftp |
| [14:13:57] | Juski: | then used distcc to do the hard work ;-) |
| [14:14:10] | dev: | you copied xebian on there with ftp?! |
| [14:14:16] | Juski: | yeh |
| [14:14:20] | gardengnome: | Juski: fyi: the front panel looks like you could open it. that's not true, there's nothing but holes for buttons behind that ;) |
| [14:14:22] | dev: | how the heck do you do that? |
| [14:14:24] | Juski: | it's only like just over 2GB |
| [14:14:35] | dev: | does it have a default.xbe or something? |
| [14:14:38] | Juski: | dev: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Fro . . . ile_with_SVN |
| [14:14:52] | Juski: | done explaining I need to eat. back in a bit |
| [14:14:58] | dev: | nice, thanks |
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| [14:21:32] | dev: | excellent read |
| [14:23:13] | GreyFoxx: | for the gentoo lovers in the room... where are the gentoo init scripts located ? I see an /etc/init.d and rc.conf but is there somewhere else I should be looking ?:) |
| [14:23:35] | gardengnome: | maybe rc.d? dunno really, i use initng on gentoo :) |
| [14:23:52] | GreyFoxx: | nope, no /etc/rc.d/ on this machine |
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| [14:28:07] | dev: | grefoxx: /etc/init.d, yup |
| [14:29:06] | stuarta: | why can't I get mytharchive to do anything? |
| [14:30:00] | janneg: | GreyFoxx: looking for something special? allmost all should be in /etc/init.d/ |
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| [14:36:53] | ProtocoLD: | does anyone know how to force a usb webcam to use a specific device port ? |
| [14:36:58] | ProtocoLD: | Problem is I have 2 video cards (/dev/video0 & video1), if I plugin a usb webcam for myth phone, it takes video0 & I loose one of my cap cards |
| [14:37:52] | GreyFoxx: | janneg: A customer asked us to install something on their server which they themselves had installed (and the guy who installed is has long left the company). IT required a reboot and some things didn't auto start andthey were blaming us. I wanted to know wherethe init scripts where to show them thatit had never auto started and the old admin hadjust started it manually each time |
| [14:40:30] | stuarta: | ProtocoLD: you'll need to play with the module options to specify the video dev to use.... |
| [14:44:53] | ProtocoLD: | also... can mythphone be ued to do a video conference with a chat client such as with yahoo ? |
| [14:45:03] | ProtocoLD: | ued == used |
| [14:45:23] | Juski: | mythphone can be used? |
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| [14:47:02] | ** Juski rests his ears. turns the xbox off ** | |
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| [14:56:34] | grndslm: | soo...you guys don't know anything about mythtv, do ya? |
| [14:57:28] | Juski: | nah |
| [14:57:36] | Juski: | we were kinda hoping you'd help us |
| [14:58:08] | grndslm: | i've installed myth a few times on ubuntu, but i've never ran into a problem like this, until dapper.....IMMEDIATELY after i set a password for the mythtv user...I run mythtv-setup as the mythtv user and it gives me a "wrong password" error |
| [14:59:35] | grndslm: | this is definitely the most frustrating thing i've ever experienced...i guess it must be a problem with dapper |
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| [15:03:58] | Coume: | re |
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| [15:04:13] | grndslm: | i've installed myth a few times on ubuntu, but i've never ran into a problem like this, until dapper.....IMMEDIATELY after i set a password for the mythtv user...I run mythtv-setup as the mythtv user and it gives me a "wrong password" error |
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| [15:06:44] | ProtocoLD: | grantm, mythtv-setup requires the root password |
| [15:07:13] | grndslm: | no way |
| [15:07:23] | grndslm: | i've done this plenty of times before....did that change or something |
| [15:08:08] | ProtocoLD: | at least I thought it did |
| [15:08:20] | ProtocoLD: | try it again with the root pwd... you got nothing to loose |
| [15:08:20] | grndslm: | holy shiznit...you were right |
| [15:08:26] | ProtocoLD: | :) |
| [15:08:30] | grndslm: | maybe they changed that for dapper or 0.19 or something |
| [15:08:32] | grndslm: | i dunno |
| [15:08:44] | grndslm: | sweet, well...thanks for the help |
| [15:08:53] | ProtocoLD: | np |
| [15:08:57] | grndslm: | that was pissing me off for a coupla hours |
| [15:09:39] | ProtocoLD: | well... I've been tinkering with MythPhone with no luck |
| [15:10:19] | ProtocoLD: | problem is I have 2 cap cards and the usb webcam wants video0 |
| [15:12:57] | Juski: | oh fuck it's waaaarm in that attic |
| [15:13:10] | Juski: | wb Coume :-) |
| [15:14:53] | Juski: | Coume: I'm going with 0.19-fixes unless there's another release. I think I could make the cut-off date one week before the show |
| [15:15:04] | Coume: | Juski, I'm trying to find out which distro I should use for the pundit frontend :) I'd love to find something like under 128MB to fit a CF I have :) |
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| [15:15:47] | Coume: | Juski, yep, we should have to boxes working 1 week before and not touch them until the event :) |
| [15:16:05] | psofa: | noone can imagine what a bored man can do to quickly uninstall his chipset heatsink(the one which clips on) |
| [15:16:09] | psofa: | :DDD |
| [15:16:35] | psofa: | take a cuttin tool.Put it underneath the heatsink where the clips are.And just cut them :P |
| [15:16:43] | Juski: | Coume: yup... and agree on a common dir structure for all the shared content |
| [15:17:46] | Juski: | just one more frontend to do, and that's the hard one :-P |
| [15:18:03] | Coume: | did you receive the german thingie :) |
| [15:18:22] | Kleptophobiac: | is this a valid modline definition? |
| [15:18:22] | Kleptophobiac: | Modeline "1920x1080@60i" 74.25 1920 2008 2052 2200 540 542 547 562 +hsync +vsync Interlace |
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| [15:18:35] | dhuv: | hello all |
| [15:19:08] | Juski: | Coume: nah it's not here yet but expect it to be soon (or else) |
| [15:19:58] | Freman: | hmmm |
| [15:20:12] | Coume: | Juski, never heard of a MythFrontend distro that could fit on an USB key? |
| [15:20:25] | Freman: | mythdvd rip doesn't seem to be working for me with the "good" quality setting |
| [15:20:34] | Kleptophobiac: | 1GB USB key --> done |
| [15:20:55] | Freman: | it says the job completed ok.... but I can't find it anywhere |
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| [15:22:20] | Freman: | can someone shed some light on where I might look? |
| [15:22:39] | Coume: | Kleptophobiac, are you using one? |
| [15:23:04] | dhuv: | I added another lineup to zap2it datadirect for my local channels and unfortunately, it does not show up on my program guide after a mythfilldatabase |
| [15:23:24] | dhuv: | does anybody know what needs to be done in order to get the new listing |
| [15:23:37] | dhuv: | I have looked in the db under the channel table and its not there either |
| [15:23:47] | Kleptophobiac: | haha, no |
| [15:23:54] | Kleptophobiac: | i was just pointing out that there are CD based distros |
| [15:23:59] | Kleptophobiac: | and a CD is smaller than a 1GB key |
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| [15:26:50] | Juski: | Coume: ask GreyFoxx ;-) he was working on one I believe |
| [15:27:18] | Juski: | that's a point though – make a USB key bootable, then slap knoppmyth or something on it |
| [15:27:43] | Juski: | or I could have a go making one! |
| [15:28:02] | Juski: | minimyth fits into 64M (just) |
| [15:28:08] | Coume: | yeah, that's the easy way like with Knoppmyth |
| [15:28:42] | Coume: | but I'd love to find something like minimyth... The perfect thingie would be under 128Mb for me :) |
| [15:29:47] | Coume: | I only need to frontend so I'd love to avoid buying a 1Gb CF |
| [15:30:00] | Juski: | I have a spare 128 key |
| [15:30:21] | Juski: | 1GB USB2 keys are like £15 at my local place now |
| [15:30:31] | GreyFoxx: | I used to use a SLAX install with sql/qt/myth modules added. was 156meg of a 256 meg usb key |
| [15:31:16] | psofa: | anyone with ivtv and a dvb card using tveeprom on gentoo? |
| [15:31:28] | Juski: | psofa: oh yeah |
| [15:31:29] | Coume: | Juski, I will have to go with a CF card it seems as my Pundit won't boot on USB :/ |
| [15:31:43] | Juski: | Coume: okees |
| [15:31:53] | Coume: | GreyFoxx, interesting. |
| [15:32:26] | Juski: | psofa: what I did with ivtv 0.4.1 was get as far as the make install step, but not do it yet... then I renamed the v4l modules out of the way, then did make install and moved the original modules back :-P |
| [15:32:28] | Coume: | GreyFoxx, was it tricky to create ? |
| [15:33:07] | Kleptophobiac: | i like NFS root |
| [15:33:09] | Kleptophobiac: | and pxeboot |
| [15:33:11] | Kleptophobiac: | very effective |
| [15:33:24] | Juski: | psofa: if you use ivtv 6.x and a newer kernel you won't have the same problem – but using a newer kernel has its own disadvantages |
| [15:33:40] | GreyFoxx: | Coume. Well I had to make the modules. so I spent a couple days reading up/playing with slax |
| [15:33:43] | psofa: | Juski, newer kernel? |
| [15:33:49] | psofa: | im on 2.6.16 |
| [15:33:56] | Juski: | aha.. never mind then |
| [15:34:15] | psofa: | but ill have to use ivtv 6.x right? |
| [15:34:24] | psofa: | is that stable? |
| [15:34:24] | Coume: | GreyFoxx, do u still have an image of the USBkey lying around? |
| [15:34:31] | Juski: | Coume: we could do NFS but we have the problem of not being able to test it unless you come over on the friday night |
| [15:34:51] | Juski: | psofa: you _should_ already be using 0.6.x anyway |
| [15:34:57] | GreyFoxx: | Coume: likely on a dvd backup of my old laptop |
| [15:35:13] | psofa: | Juski, portage wants to install ivtv-0.4.5 |
| [15:35:26] | GreyFoxx: | but it was a old (0.18svn) myth and now an old slax :) |
| [15:35:33] | Juski: | psofa: chuck portage. unmerge ivtv & make it yourself. it's a piece of cake |
| [15:35:40] | psofa: | kk |
| [15:35:46] | psofa: | im just lazy |
| [15:35:48] | psofa: | :) |
| [15:36:15] | Coume: | GreyFoxx, erm so I guess I will have to go with the 1Gb easy option or find time to play around and create a small one as you did :) |
| [15:37:53] | Kleptophobiac: | uhm, i have a modeline problem. i defined a 1920x1080i mode from edid |
| [15:38:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and xorg loads it up ok |
| [15:38:06] | Kleptophobiac: | and the TV recognizes the interlaced modeline |
| [15:38:15] | Kleptophobiac: | but x decides to run it in a 1920x540p metamode |
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| [15:38:28] | Kleptophobiac: | and so i have a really stretched out image occupying only half of my vertical space |
| [15:38:42] | Kleptophobiac: | is there some way to force 1080 lines? |
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| [15:39:57] | Coume: | Juski, yeah but I have no idea ATM if I could make it on Friday night as I have no idea if i will still be in Luton or *wherever* in England with a new job :) |
| [15:40:41] | psofa: | Juski, so i suppose using the 0.6.x theres no tveeprom-ivtv module right? |
| [15:40:47] | psofa: | so ill just do make install |
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| [15:41:50] | Juski: | psofa: yup. |
| [15:42:09] | Juski: | Coume: well it's an option should it be needed |
| [15:42:31] | Juski: | just been wondering about when the hell I'll be able to check into my hotel |
| [15:42:35] | Coume: | Juski, you arrive on Friday or Saturday therE? |
| [15:42:42] | Juski: | arrive saturday |
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| [15:42:51] | Juski: | planning an early start |
| [15:43:11] | Coume: | same here and will avoid the traffic jam from friday night at the same time :) |
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| [15:46:30] | psofa: | Juski, http://pastebin.com/755725 |
| [15:46:32] | psofa: | :( |
| [15:47:13] | psofa: | i suppose this is the key error? |
| [15:47:14] | psofa: | ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw |
| [15:47:14] | psofa: | ivtv0: did you put the firmware in the hotplug firmware directory? |
| [15:47:25] | psofa: | ah |
| [15:47:33] | psofa: | yes |
| [15:47:38] | psofa: | nm |
| [15:47:54] | grndslm: | needs some help with LVM....I am trying to make mythtv consider these 2 harddrives i have as one, and put them both under an "/archive" directory |
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| [15:48:31] | Kleptophobiac: | do you have lvm2 installed? |
| [15:48:42] | grndslm: | dapper installed, so that should be a yes |
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| [15:48:59] | Kleptophobiac: | i'm unfamiliar with dapper |
| [15:49:06] | Kleptophobiac: | i've only used the standard lvm tools |
| [15:49:27] | grndslm: | after fdisking /dev/hdb and selecting type 8e (lvm), i type pvcreate /dev/hdb1 |
| [15:49:50] | Kleptophobiac: | ok |
| [15:50:24] | grndslm: | then i type vgcreate BigVG -s 256K /dev/hdb1 ....but it gives this error: "No physical volume label read from /dev/hdb1, /dev/hdb1 not identified as an existing physical volume" |
| [15:50:40] | Kleptophobiac: | try doing pvscan |
| [15:50:48] | Kleptophobiac: | then creating the volume group |
| [15:51:18] | grndslm: | it says PV /dev/evms/hdb1 lvm2 [186.31 GB] |
| [15:51:23] | Kleptophobiac: | good |
| [15:51:44] | Kleptophobiac: | i don't know where that evms came from |
| [15:51:47] | Kleptophobiac: | but it found it, so that's positive |
| [15:51:54] | grndslm: | prolly dapper related |
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| [15:53:34] | grndslm: | so....how do i create the volume group? |
| [15:53:50] | Kleptophobiac: | should be that vgcreate command |
| [15:54:29] | Kleptophobiac: | vgcreate bigvg /dev/hdb1 |
| [15:55:44] | grndslm: | nope...."no physical volume label read from /dev/hdb1, /dev/hdb1 not identified as an existing physical volume" |
| [15:56:21] | ** Juski goes for a lie down ** | |
| [15:56:36] | Kleptophobiac: | try using the evms based path |
| [15:57:10] | Kleptophobiac: | pvs and pvscan show the drive ok? |
| [15:58:51] | grndslm: | bam....klepto saves the day |
| [15:58:56] | grndslm: | the evms path worked |
| [16:00:13] | Kleptophobiac: | lol |
| [16:00:15] | Kleptophobiac: | glad to hear it |
| [16:00:35] | ** Coume is busy generating a backup of Mythtvtalk.com ... ** | |
| [16:03:25] | grndslm: | did you just use the default 4mb "physical extent" for mythtv?? |
| [16:03:31] | grndslm: | or did you use something higher? |
| [16:03:43] | Kleptophobiac: | i left it at default |
| [16:03:44] | Kleptophobiac: | works fine |
| [16:03:52] | grndslm: | sweet |
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| [16:06:00] | ** eidolon finds the wisdom of keeping the mythbox 'idle' screen on mythweather. ** | |
| [16:06:08] | eidolon: | makes a nice quasi-screensaver :) |
| [16:06:35] | [BBF]PUNK: | hey, what might cause the frontend not to pick up signals from the remote? |
| [16:06:50] | [BBF]PUNK: | if I run irw everything works, it seems just to be the frontend..... |
| [16:07:01] | Kleptophobiac: | focus issue with window manager? |
| [16:07:11] | Kleptophobiac: | here's the issue i was talking about |
| [16:07:12] | Kleptophobiac: | http://img433.imageshack.us/img433/500/img03226pl.jpg |
| [16:09:08] | [BBF]PUNK: | it will not pick up the remote even when in focus.... |
| [16:09:26] | Kleptophobiac: | do you not have a ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [16:09:27] | Kleptophobiac: | ? |
| [16:10:09] | [BBF]PUNK: | yes |
| [16:10:18] | Kleptophobiac: | and it's properly populated? |
| [16:10:26] | Kleptophobiac: | could you pastebin your lircd.conf and lircrc? |
| [16:10:26] | [BBF]PUNK: | one sec... |
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| [16:14:27] | psofa: | Juski, does this look ok? http://pastebin.com/755885 |
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| [16:20:22] | bilbravo: | can anyone tell me why my channels my be off by 1? |
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| [16:21:00] | Freman: | grrr... just a little peved... I've got the dual core sitting there doing nothing when it could be transcoding becaues I keep getting 'out of space' messages.. |
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| [16:25:35] | ^zeon^: | guys, having some problems with my Mercury SAA7130 TV Card ! the picture is coming fine.. but the sound is too low and can't find any way to increase the volume !' |
| [16:26:46] | [BBF]PUNK: | Kleptophobiac, http://pastebin.com/7555896 |
| [16:26:56] | [BBF]PUNK: | Kleptophobiac, http://pastebin.com/755896 |
| [16:26:57] | Kleptophobiac: | it's blank |
| [16:26:59] | [BBF]PUNK: | i mean |
| [16:27:13] | Kleptophobiac: | and your lircrc? |
| [16:27:22] | [BBF]PUNK: | workin on it... |
| [16:27:41] | ^zeon^: | guys, having some problems with my Mercury SAA7130 TV Card ! the picture is coming fine.. but the sound is too low and can't find any way to increase the volume !' |
| [16:28:01] | hashbang: | check mixer settings using, e.g. alsamixer or aumix |
| [16:28:14] | hashbang: | also, check they're not muted |
| [16:28:47] | ^zeon^: | hashbang: i did try alsamixer , but alsamixer doesn't seem to have any effect ! |
| [16:28:59] | [BBF]PUNK: | Kleptophobiac, http://pastebin.com/755906 |
| [16:29:12] | MonMotha: | make sure you're changing the RECORDING volumes, not the playback volumes in alsamixer |
| [16:29:19] | MonMotha: | and I highly doubt everything is that exclamatory... |
| [16:29:58] | Kleptophobiac: | you've got 3 remotes? |
| [16:30:27] | Kleptophobiac: | check out the mythfrontend log file |
| [16:30:31] | Kleptophobiac: | check to make sure it's parsing the lircrc |
| [16:30:35] | ^zeon^: | MonMotha: ok lemme explain you, i just built the saa7134 and saa7134-alsa modues in the kernel and i just pulled up all the bars available on the alsamixer .. still to to no avail :( |
| [16:30:38] | [BBF]PUNK: | where is this? |
| [16:30:41] | Kleptophobiac: | it might not be if you didn't compile lirc support in |
| [16:30:44] | Kleptophobiac: | and where the log file is |
| [16:30:47] | Kleptophobiac: | depends on where you put it |
| [16:30:49] | Kleptophobiac: | mythfrontend --help |
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| [16:32:18] | MonMotha: | ^zeon^: yes, by default alsamixer only shows playback volume controls |
| [16:32:20] | MonMotha: | hit tab |
| [16:32:46] | ^zeon^: | MonMotha: Ok lemme try |
| [16:33:30] | [BBF]PUNK: | mmm, when I start mythfrontend up now it works.... |
| [16:33:58] | [BBF]PUNK: | so would that make it a focus issue? |
| [16:34:03] | Kleptophobiac: | you have to restart mythfrontend after ever edit of lircrc |
| [16:34:07] | Kleptophobiac: | since it only parses on start |
| [16:34:30] | [BBF]PUNK: | so ill try restarting, again |
| [16:34:52] | [BBF]PUNK: | btw, no i don't have 3 remotes.... |
| [16:34:57] | ^zeon^: | MonMotha: hey, when i press Tab for "Capture" option, there is no bar ! |
| [16:35:46] | ^zeon^: | MonMotha: will installing the alsa-driver help ? |
| [16:37:55] | Kleptophobiac: | [BBF]PUNK – then why do you have three remotes configured in lircd.conf? |
| [16:38:22] | [BBF]PUNK: | it seems that I have multiple Lircd.conf, so how tdo u determine which one it is using? |
| [16:38:37] | Kleptophobiac: | "/etc/lircd.conf" |
| [16:38:41] | Kleptophobiac: | is the one that lircd reads |
| [16:38:46] | Kleptophobiac: | unless you specify otherwise |
| [16:39:00] | [BBF]PUNK: | I didn't change anything in the file |
| [16:39:08] | Kleptophobiac: | so it's default? |
| [16:39:15] | Kleptophobiac: | lirc doesn't come with a default |
| [16:39:22] | Kleptophobiac: | but, i'm afraid I must depart to do other things |
| [16:39:36] | [BBF]PUNK: | I believe it was made with the lirc etup.sh |
| [16:39:50] | Kleptophobiac: | irrecord is what you should use to make lircd.conf |
| [16:39:53] | [BBF]PUNK: | setup.sh* |
| [16:40:03] | Kleptophobiac: | good luck |
| [16:40:08] | [BBF]PUNK: | thx |
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| [16:42:17] | psofa: | Juski, how can i do a channel scan with the pvr150? |
| [16:42:23] | psofa: | trying to see if it worls |
| [16:42:26] | psofa: | *works |
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| [16:43:05] | electrichamster: | Is there any time frame on the .1 release of the current version? Getting very frustrated with the DVB right now :D |
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| [16:45:23] | ^zeon^: | will i get SAA7130 chip support in recent ALSA-DRIVER ? |
| [16:56:33] | grndslm: | in mythtv-setup....I should put CPU usage to High if it's a dedicated Myth Box, no? |
| [16:57:30] | grndslm: | i'm just wondering because it's a fairly slow computer.....an old celeron, but it couldn't hurt to to put it to max if it's dedicated, right? |
| [16:58:27] | dev: | dont the notes for that option even say you need a farely highend box to use high? |
| [16:58:36] | dev: | if its a crappy celeron you want it on low heh |
| [16:58:47] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Just watched that xgl video..... wow....thatis sexy. |
| [16:59:02] | ** GreyFoxx wants it ** | |
| [16:59:03] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [16:59:41] | grndslm: | ahh...it's for job queue...nevermind |
| [16:59:48] | grndslm: | doh |
| [17:02:35] | grndslm: | alright...i really think i found a bug this time |
| [17:03:22] | grndslm: | if you've got a pvr-500....when you're adding the second capture card as /dev/video1, it says /dev/video0 |
| [17:03:37] | grndslm: | even after you type the 1 several times |
| [17:04:12] | grndslm: | but after changing both like 5 times, one of them finally says /dev/video1, while the other obviously says /dev/video0 |
| [17:04:42] | [BBF]PUNK: | hey, can someone look in the setup in mythfrontend and tell me something? |
| [17:05:31] | [BBF]PUNK: | under General, in the section with stuff about keypress etc. what does "keypress application" say? |
| [17:06:23] | grndslm: | i don't see anything about keypress at all |
| [17:06:26] | grndslm: | at least under general |
| [17:06:57] | [BBF]PUNK: | i pressed, setuip/utilities/ etup general and then next a couple of time |
| [17:06:59] | [BBF]PUNK: | s |
| [17:07:02] | grndslm: | nm, i think you're talking about a different setup |
| [17:07:06] | grndslm: | i'm doing backend |
| [17:07:08] | grndslm: | my bad |
| [17:07:09] | [BBF]PUNK: | o |
| [17:07:13] | [BBF]PUNK: | this is in the frontend |
| [17:08:39] | [BBF]PUNK: | btw. xgl rox, I use it |
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| [17:14:35] | bilbravo: | what does the "Begin Transcoding" option in the recordings menu do? |
| [17:14:39] | bilbravo: | transcode to what? |
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| [17:17:17] | grndslm: | whatever you want it to transcode to |
| [17:17:46] | grndslm: | you can put it in whatever format you desire |
| [17:18:15] | bilbravo: | ohcool |
| [17:18:21] | bilbravo: | so i would assume that's specified in setup? |
| [17:20:23] | grndslm: | nope...i haven't actually done it yet, but i believe there's a program nuvexport to do it....stores it in .nuv format initially, then you somehow trigger transcoding |
| [17:20:32] | grndslm: | i think there's a number of ways to do it really |
| [17:21:34] | dev: | bilbravo: you set that up in your recording profiles |
| [17:21:49] | bilbravo: | ok |
| [17:21:58] | bilbravo: | well, the main thing i want to do is easily record things to dvd for viewing on my player |
| [17:22:01] | dev: | you'll see "transcoders" or something similar |
| [17:22:12] | bilbravo: | and the two options on mythtv.org are good, but not ideal hehe |
| [17:22:28] | dev: | bilbravo: then you should leave them in mpeg2 with 720x480 res |
| [17:22:46] | dev: | then you'll be able to burn them straight to dvd without any transcoding./ |
| [17:22:54] | bilbravo: | right, i just saw the transcode thing and was wondering what it was :-) |
| [17:23:10] | dev: | if you transcode them to mpeg4, it'll save you space, but you'll have to transcode them back to mpeg2 to burn to dvd |
| [17:23:15] | dev: | so its alot of 'time' save space that way. |
| [17:23:25] | bilbravo: | i just got it setup last night so i'm looking around |
| [17:24:06] | bilbravo: | yeah hard drive space is a premium for me right now, i gotta go get another drive |
| [17:24:11] | dev: | nuvexport is an external program for transcoding outside of myth. though it reads the mysql db and stuff. |
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| [17:24:30] | bilbravo: | oh yeah, i looked for my .nuv files, i can't find them |
| [17:24:31] | TinheadNed: | hey guys |
| [17:24:35] | bilbravo: | looked in /usr/lib/mythtv |
| [17:24:45] | dev: | pvrxxx? |
| [17:24:54] | bilbravo: | 150 |
| [17:24:56] | bilbravo: | mce |
| [17:25:08] | dev: | they'll be .mpg files not .nuv. they were .nuv in .18 but in .19 they're .mpg |
| [17:25:11] | dev: | default is /mnt/store |
| [17:25:16] | bilbravo: | oh ok |
| [17:25:22] | bilbravo: | mine is in /media |
| [17:25:26] | bilbravo: | ok, so i'm just looking for y mpgs, i can find those |
| [17:25:40] | bilbravo: | i was looking for the .nuv files, i thought it was similar to a .cue file... but then again, i'm an idiot sometimes |
| [17:25:53] | dev: | hehe .nuv is another format thats all |
| [17:26:01] | TinheadNed: | if you transcode your recordings, they're converted to .nuv files |
| [17:26:03] | dev: | nippplevideo |
| [17:26:05] | dev: | er nupplevideo |
| [17:26:06] | dev: | :D |
| [17:26:23] | TinheadNed: | dev: multitasking is bad for you ;) |
| [17:26:25] | dev: | TinheadNed: rtjpeg right, mpeg4 files are still mpg no? |
| [17:26:32] | TinheadNed: | dev: mine aren't |
| [17:26:52] | dev: | hm thats different in .19 then. (i dont transcode mine so i dunno) |
| [17:26:53] | psofa: | anyone else here with a pvr150 that knows what to use to do a channel scan? |
| [17:27:19] | TinheadNed: | which leads me to a good question, mplayer can play my .nuv files, but it *really* hates seeking in them, but it's fine with the raw mpg2 that mythtv records in the first place |
| [17:27:35] | TinheadNed: | psofa: sorry |
| [17:27:56] | bilbravo: | psofa: i have a pvr150 |
| [17:27:59] | bilbravo: | i did a channel scan inside of mythtv |
| [17:28:12] | psofa: | mythtv can autoscan? |
| [17:28:17] | psofa: | a pvr150? |
| [17:28:28] | grndslm: | yup |
| [17:28:31] | bilbravo: | mine did |
| [17:28:40] | psofa: | without a guide service etc? |
| [17:28:51] | bilbravo: | yeah |
| [17:28:54] | bilbravo: | mythtv-setup |
| [17:28:57] | MonMotha: | sure, you'll just get no guide data |
| [17:28:58] | psofa: | lol |
| [17:29:04] | psofa: | had no idea |
| [17:29:09] | bilbravo: | it was under general i believe |
| [17:29:20] | TinheadNed: | i had to turn up the default timeout when I scanned |
| [17:29:24] | TinheadNed: | fyi and all |
| [17:29:58] | bilbravo: | this program i recorded has all of the commercials still |
| [17:30:09] | bilbravo: | so it records them but i can skip them when watching? |
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| [17:30:57] | dev: | you have to tell it in mythtv-setup to automatically commflag recordings |
| [17:31:00] | TinheadNed: | bilbravo: you can get mythtv to cut them or automatically skip them, but I'd test it first – mine alternates between detecting scene changes and missing whole ad breaks |
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| [17:31:16] | dev: | yeah commflagging isnt exactly 100% |
| [17:31:18] | dev: | more like 90% |
| [17:31:31] | bilbravo: | i'd rather record them all |
| [17:31:32] | dev: | its a better idea to just add nextcommflag and prevcommflag to buttons on your remote |
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| [17:31:39] | bilbravo: | 'if i was timeshifting something and it was delayed due to a sporting event, it may only record commercials! |
| [17:31:45] | TinheadNed: | is the setting in mythtv-setup like a global enable? i know you can select on a per-recording basis |
| [17:31:56] | dev: | then 1-button-skip when the commercial starts.. if it messes up, which it will, its only 90%, you can rewind/ffrwd whatever |
| [17:32:02] | dev: | if they're automatically transcoded you're fooked |
| [17:32:07] | TinheadNed: | dev: that's what I do |
| [17:32:20] | bilbravo: | that's what i'll do too then |
| [17:32:40] | bilbravo: | i don't have a remote now though |
| [17:32:52] | TinheadNed: | i transcode but don't cut out comms |
| [17:33:14] | dev: | i'll use cutlists to do lossless transcoding, to trasncode out the commericla,s on shows that i want to keep (convert to xvid with nuvexport, or burn to dvd, whatever) that i know commflagged perfectly |
| [17:33:52] | bilbravo: | what remote do you guys use? |
| [17:34:03] | TinheadNed: | bilbravo: the one that comes with the nova-t card |
| [17:34:04] | dev: | hauppauge one that came with my pvr250's |
| [17:34:16] | MonMotha: | I use a wireless keyboard... :) |
| [17:34:25] | bilbravo: | ah the pvr 150 mce doesn't have a remote option |
| [17:34:33] | dev: | heh that would look like ass in my living room, some big old keyboard on the coffee table :P |
| [17:34:36] | TinheadNed: | MonMotha: how's that for batteries? I want one for playing games via myth on |
| [17:34:39] | bilbravo: | i'd have to get a remote that is for the computer, does mythtv support that sort of thing |
| [17:34:54] | MonMotha: | I have tons of remotes, though. Just haevn't sat down and cursed at the beast the is lirc long enough |
| [17:34:56] | TinheadNed: | bilbravo: if lirc does, myth does |
| [17:35:02] | bilbravo: | awesome |
| [17:35:10] | MonMotha: | TinheadNed: batteries seem to last a couple months |
| [17:35:26] | MonMotha: | rechargables last a shorter time, but can be recharged, of course |
| [17:35:29] | MonMotha: | I have he Gyration set |
| [17:35:39] | TinheadNed: | i had a few issues with my remote, as the hauppage ir ports turn up as input devices, and it can be tricky to stop the kernel grabbing them for console input (!) |
| [17:35:46] | MonMotha: | and the keyboard is hardly big. It's about the size of three remote controls or so |
| [17:36:00] | bilbravo: | i was looking at a wireless keyboard/mouse set, but i hate the way insert/home/pgup/etc are set up on the new keyboards |
| [17:36:01] | TinheadNed: | MonMotha: I'd be tempted to that. is that a BT one or just wireless? |
| [17:36:06] | MonMotha: | this is just wireless |
| [17:36:09] | MonMotha: | I got it cheap on woot.com |
| [17:36:17] | MonMotha: | IIRC they make a BT version |
| [17:36:28] | bilbravo: | MonMotha: how is the layout of the keys? pretty standard? |
| [17:36:29] | MonMotha: | yeah, some of the key placement sucks |
| [17:36:29] | dev: | 3 big remotes, not 3 hauppauges heh |
| [17:36:36] | MonMotha: | layout of the letters is good |
| [17:36:48] | dev: | i could just see me telling my fiance |
| [17:36:52] | TinheadNed: | BT costs more I think, but I have class 1 dongles about the place, so . . |
| [17:36:54] | bilbravo: | what about other keys? i'm used to a normal layout |
| [17:36:55] | dev: | USE z TO COMMCERIAL SKIP WTF |
| [17:37:02] | dev: | "z?!?@! WHY CANT IT BE NEXT!??@!" |
| [17:37:03] | dev: | heh |
| [17:37:10] | TinheadNed: | dev: doesn't exactly lower the WAF, does it? |
| [17:37:15] | MonMotha: | and the keys are pretty much full size. Numbers are full size, too, but shifted over so that 1 lines up with q, which takes some getting used to |
| [17:37:26] | dev: | keyboards are not fiance/noncomputerfriends friendly |
| [17:37:36] | MonMotha: | the right shift key is also a bit small |
| [17:37:40] | dev: | the way i have the hauppage remote is though. noone has issues. took 2 weeks of tweaking with the woman to get it right though heh |
| [17:37:47] | MonMotha: | otherwise, the layout is pretty good for the size of the keyboard |
| [17:38:03] | TinheadNed: | bilbravo: oh, and if you use a remote, bind the power key to rebooting mythtv via killall. It's a lifesaver for not getting up |
| [17:38:10] | bilbravo: | so woot.com ~= fatwallet.com |
| [17:38:22] | MonMotha: | not really |
| [17:38:26] | dev: | yeah not really. |
| [17:38:27] | MonMotha: | woot.com sells one thing every day |
| [17:38:30] | MonMotha: | usually cheap |
| [17:38:32] | dev: | woot of the day |
| [17:38:36] | dev: | fatwallet is like a forum |
| [17:38:38] | MonMotha: | (well, woot offs are exceptions) |
| [17:38:40] | TinheadNed: | actually, the number of remotes are going down – as now I have a myth box, the TV one isn't really used any more |
| [17:38:50] | bilbravo: | well i use mythtv on my computer only at the moment, i need to get another machine set up to do a "media center"... i have no tv out |
| [17:39:06] | MonMotha: | hum, I don't think I need a steamer/mashed potato maker... |
| [17:39:08] | dev: | hehe i have 6 boxes doiong mythtv |
| [17:39:11] | dev: | <-- addicted :( |
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| [17:39:24] | dev: | well, 5, with a 6th going up monday once the ram shows up |
| [17:39:25] | bilbravo: | oh, i just glanced at it, it looked like it was like fatwallet |
| [17:39:26] | MonMotha: | dev: I'm eagerly awaiting the multiuser support that is supposedly pending |
| [17:39:31] | TinheadNed: | damn – ebuyer are selling a wireless keyboard for ?4! |
| [17:39:39] | TinheadNed: | dev: damn |
| [17:39:40] | bilbravo: | dev: i will probably put 2 more tuners in this box, and one of those spiffy seagate 750gb drives |
| [17:39:53] | dev: | those things are expensive |
| [17:39:54] | MonMotha: | dev: me and a few friends always go in on a cable box at school |
| [17:39:59] | TinheadNed: | i'm not sure if my 1.3GHz duron will take another tuner or not |
| [17:40:05] | bilbravo: | and then i can justify building a new pc to my fiance wheni tell her i'm recording every episode of gilmore girls that come on tv |
| [17:40:05] | dev: | im doing 4x300gig in raid5, sata2 |
| [17:40:11] | MonMotha: | takes it down to like $4/person/mo including movie channels |
| [17:40:29] | MonMotha: | jeesh, I have like 180GB total :) |
| [17:40:36] | bilbravo: | MonMotha; that sounds like 20 friends, not a few lol |
| [17:40:42] | dev: | bilbravo: that took some doing with mine actually.. when i first mentioned i was going to build a homebrew tivo, shes like "wtf".. this was 1.5years ago |
| [17:40:44] | MonMotha: | actually, I need to add another 80GB to the LVM |
| [17:40:53] | bilbravo: | i have 250GB total... only about 40 free... i will need a new drive like... tomorrow :-) |
| [17:41:02] | dev: | i order the parts, spend a couple days building it, then 2 weeks tweaking hte remote when she'd bitch she didnt know what to do |
| [17:41:05] | dev: | now, she cant live without myth |
| [17:41:08] | dev: | and encourages me to upgrade |
| [17:41:08] | MonMotha: | bilbravo: not really, residence fees include basic cable, and digital this last year was (they messed up the pricing) $4/mo for each tier |
| [17:41:28] | bilbravo: | well this machine is an athlon xp 2800, which is nice.. but i want a 64fx... so i'll just put a few tuners in here, get some more space and a new video card |
| [17:41:36] | MonMotha: | 90.55GB free, but I just deleted a TON of stuff |
| [17:41:38] | dev: | she encouraged me to spend 1700$ on this new backend haha |
| [17:41:42] | MonMotha: | the HD eats up space like there's no tomorrow |
| [17:42:07] | grndslm: | i've got 484GB with a 1200MHz Celeron |
| [17:42:11] | dev: | bilbravo: to give you an idea, my xp3200 is maxed out resourace wise with 2 tuners |
| [17:42:16] | dev: | so i have 2 xp3200's with 2 tuners in each |
| [17:42:26] | MonMotha: | jeesh...just get a couple PVR-150s and a PII :) |
| [17:42:27] | grndslm: | bad matchup...but hopefully a decent backend |
| [17:42:27] | bilbravo: | do you all (not including dev, he's uber-myth guy) use one machine for backend/front end, or both of them on the same box? |
| [17:42:31] | MonMotha: | er PVR-500s |
| [17:42:43] | TinheadNed: | bilbravo: i do same box atm |
| [17:42:43] | dev: | MonMotha: p2 will craok if its a frontend as well, with commflagging |
| [17:42:46] | MonMotha: | bilbravo: I have one backend (dedicated) and three frontends |
| [17:42:56] | MonMotha: | dev: oh yeah, if that's your frontend too, you're screwed :) |
| [17:43:11] | MonMotha: | my backend is a dual 1.4GHz Athlon |
| [17:43:22] | bilbravo: | well what iw ant to do is set this up as the backend, put another tuner or so in it (i think with pvr 150s it can handle 2–3 easily) |
| [17:43:25] | dev: | im hoping a dual xeon 2.8ghz will be able to handle 5 commflags at a time |
| [17:43:26] | MonMotha: | three tuners, totally hodgepodge: WinTV Go, PVR-150, and a pcHDTV 3000 |
| [17:43:37] | bilbravo: | and then build a little micro-atx machine to put on my tv center to stream the stuff to the tv |
| [17:43:38] | MonMotha: | jeesh, I just let the commflags queue. I don't record THAT much |
| [17:43:56] | dev: | the fiance hates it when the "all tuners in use" message comes up |
| [17:44:06] | dev: | so i have 4 tuners right now, till be 5 in a couple weeks 'just to make sure' |
| [17:44:13] | TinheadNed: | 5! |
| [17:44:18] | dev: | yeah hehe |
| [17:44:19] | MonMotha: | you mean people actually use the live tv function? :) |
| [17:44:25] | dev: | she does |
| [17:44:27] | MonMotha: | wow |
| [17:44:32] | bilbravo: | i can only ever think of like 2 things (maybe 3) that are on simultaneously that i want to see heh |
| [17:44:37] | grndslm: | so...if i run mythfrontend on a different machine....the video is decoded on the frontend, correct? |
| [17:44:38] | dev: | i have to omuch recorded shows to do something like livetv ;) |
| [17:44:43] | MonMotha: | and I thought I was excessive with 3 (though one can only get like 7 channels) |
| [17:44:58] | bilbravo: | so does 370MB sound about right for a 30 minute program? |
| [17:45:17] | MonMotha: | seems really low |
| [17:45:19] | dev: | bilbravo: for now, until you have myth for 2 years... what happens, is you start setting recurring recordings for seasons, then a new show starts the next season you want to watch as well. but the previous show has a second season... its a snowball effect where eventually you have multiple shows on at the same time on tueesday nights, or something |
| [17:45:21] | bilbravo: | grndslm: the way i understand it, it streams the file to the front end and it is decoded there, yes |
| [17:45:24] | MonMotha: | unless you're doing poor quality xvid |
| [17:45:25] | grndslm: | 370MB for 30 min. is definitely too low for dvd rez |
| [17:45:25] | TinheadNed: | bilbravo: sounds okay for size perhaps? depends what it looks like |
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| [17:45:51] | bilbravo: | well i suppose i need to change my settings, it's whatever was standard |
| [17:46:05] | psofa: | anyone knows how it is possible when a module trying to load to say that it failed to load some module when i can modprobe the said module fine? |
| [17:46:10] | MonMotha: | I run my mpeg4 stuff at about 1.8GB/hr, MPEG2 at about 2.8GB/hr, and digital TV just gets written to the HDD of course |
| [17:46:27] | MonMotha: | I have a little script that usually works to reencode things to h.264, but I can't use that on HD content as I can't play it back :) |
| [17:46:30] | psofa: | im trying to load ivtv and it says ivtv0: Failed to load module tuner |
| [17:46:38] | psofa: | however i can modprobe tuner fine |
| [17:47:48] | TinheadNed: | MonMotha: isn't the actual mpeg2 stream you get less than 2.8Gb/hr anyway? |
| [17:47:57] | dev: | TinheadNed: depends on bitrate |
| [17:47:59] | MonMotha: | TinheadNed: for HD? hell no |
| [17:48:05] | TinheadNed: | MonMotha: oh, hd |
| [17:48:09] | MonMotha: | most of my local stuff runs at ~14Mbit |
| [17:48:15] | TinheadNed: | it's only launching now in the uk |
| [17:48:18] | dev: | hd is 7.4gig/hr or something |
| [17:48:32] | dev: | 9.4gig for 1080 i think |
| [17:48:42] | MonMotha: | the theoretical max for an 8VSB channel (assuming the entire stream is dedicated to one channel) is 19.8Mbit I believe |
| [17:48:46] | MonMotha: | most stations run VBR, though |
| [17:48:51] | MonMotha: | so it can vary a lot |
| [17:49:03] | dev: | my nstc sdtv mpeg2 files are 2.4gig an hour, 5mbit bitrate |
| [17:49:09] | dev: | i only have analog cable ;/ |
| [17:49:14] | dev: | havent taken that plunge to hd yet hehe |
| [17:49:18] | MonMotha: | there's no real reason to run 720p at a lower rate than 1080i. 720p actually has more data to encode, but it's more redundant, as well |
| [17:49:29] | TinheadNed: | my pal dvb-t files I'm sure are about 2.1Gb/hr |
| [17:49:30] | MonMotha: | I also only have analog cable |
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| [17:49:50] | MonMotha: | TinheadNed: here in the US, the station can allocate their bandwidth however they like. I was under the impression that DVB allowed that as well |
| [17:49:59] | bilbravo: | wher do i change recording settings? |
| [17:50:06] | TinheadNed: | MonMotha: I have no idea at all :) |
| [17:50:08] | bilbravo: | nm |
| [17:50:20] | dev: | bilbravo: you will learn recording profiles well |
| [17:50:23] | MonMotha: | most stations run an SD subchannel around here since they all have either a 24hr weather channel or news channel, and then they run their main network stuff in HD |
| [17:50:27] | dev: | it took some tweaking to get the video quality to exactly how i liked it |
| [17:50:28] | bilbravo: | do i want hq, lq? |
| [17:50:32] | bilbravo: | i think now i'm on default, which is probably live tv? |
| [17:50:46] | MonMotha: | so you get something like 3–5Mbit for the SD channel and the balance (14–16Mbit) for the SD channel. It's all VBR, though |
| [17:51:07] | TinheadNed: | aww, it's so cute when my g/f IMs me to come downstairs and cook |
| [17:51:19] | bilbravo: | what resolution should i do? |
| [17:51:26] | bilbravo: | 720x480 is standard 4:3 right? |
| [17:53:17] | MonMotha: | yeah |
| [17:53:23] | MonMotha: | non-square pixels, of course |
| [17:53:39] | bilbravo: | why does it default to 480x480? |
| [17:53:46] | MonMotha: | 720 horizontal is generally the best accepted resolution you can get out of an NTSC signal |
| [17:53:56] | TinheadNed: | bbl |
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| [17:54:03] | bilbravo: | ok |
| [17:54:06] | MonMotha: | because broadcast NTSC rarely achieves anything more than about 640 that you can resolve out |
| [17:54:07] | dev: | 720 is also dvd |
| [17:54:13] | dev: | so you wont have to transcode or anything crazy to burn to dvd |
| [17:54:17] | dev: | makes it easy. |
| [17:54:21] | MonMotha: | yes, 720 is also DVD |
| [17:54:25] | MonMotha: | though 480x480 is SVCD |
| [17:54:32] | bilbravo: | so i should do 720x480? |
| [17:54:37] | dev: | all i do is lossless transcoding out commercials with cutlists, then can burn to dvd. ie, can churn out a dvd of a show in like 15minutes |
| [17:54:39] | MonMotha: | unless you have a reason not to, yeah |
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| [17:54:42] | dev: | which is useful. |
| [17:55:48] | bilbravo: | channels 9,-15 are wrong |
| [17:55:53] | bilbravo: | but everything else is fine |
| [17:56:00] | MonMotha: | when I want to burn things off, it's usually to have an entire season (or the whole darn series) available, so I usually reencode to h.264 |
| [17:56:03] | grndslm: | what's the correct way to get mythbackend to run at startup? i'm running dapper; it never just worked correctly in breezy either. |
| [17:56:18] | MonMotha: | takes forever, but you can fit an entire season on a DVD at basically DVD quality |
| [17:57:27] | bilbravo: | but what do you play it on? |
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| [17:57:50] | dev: | MonMotha: wow! nice, i should look into that |
| [17:58:09] | dev: | i rarely burn stuff. mostly documentaries off tlc or history |
| [17:58:21] | dev: | so 1 dvd is ok.. but a season on a dvd, now thats appealing hehe |
| [17:58:33] | MonMotha: | yeah, the codec is amazing |
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| [17:58:57] | dev: | time to do some reading. |
| [17:58:58] | dev: | :D |
| [17:59:00] | MonMotha: | a friend of mine reencoded the "superbit" (dual layer holding just the movie) version of some movie down to 700MB and put it on a CD |
| [17:59:04] | MonMotha: | looked pretty damn nice |
| [17:59:18] | MonMotha: | you could tell it wasn't the original, but it looked as good as a single layer DVD version |
| [17:59:31] | MonMotha: | even water and snow looked good, and MPEG has issues with those |
| [17:59:31] | dev: | what is it, ac3 audio |
| [17:59:36] | MonMotha: | your choice |
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| [17:59:43] | dev: | yeah i'll reae |
| [17:59:44] | MonMotha: | he ususally uses MPEG4 audio |
| [17:59:45] | dev: | read |
| [17:59:48] | MonMotha: | I usually use Vorbis |
| [17:59:54] | dev: | watching deadliest catch right now though. catching up on episodes |
| [18:00:12] | MonMotha: | the advantage of MPEG4 audio is that you can put it in an MP4 container. With Vorbis, you're pretty much limited to Matroska |
| [18:00:55] | MonMotha: | unfortunately, I don't know of any standalones that can play h.264 right now |
| [18:01:11] | MonMotha: | once HD-DVD comes out, you'll be able to burn it onto a standard DVD and have those players play it |
| [18:01:15] | MonMotha: | I don't know what audio it uses, though |
| [18:01:36] | MonMotha: | you can use AC3 audio with h.264 if you want, btu again I think the only container format to officially support that is Matroska |
| [18:05:03] | bilbravo: | i'm going to get somethign to eat, and i hav eto get gas also |
| [18:05:06] | ** bilbravo is scared ** | |
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| [18:18:59] | ZlqRu5: | mplayer doesn't seem to be grabbing keypresses when it is launched via mythtv, running it standalone works OK |
| [18:19:19] | ZlqRu5: | is there a directive I can give mplayer to make it grab the key focus? |
| [18:19:36] | ZlqRu5 is now known as fridge | |
| [18:19:41] | mairas: | hi, any finnish dvb users around? |
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| [18:20:28] | pembo13: | hello |
| [18:20:30] | mairas: | I really am bothered about mythtv grabbing randomly either finnish or swedish epg information... |
| [18:20:57] | fridge: | also, is there a way to disable the mobile-phone like entry method? I'm now using a wireless kb instead of a remote, and no longer need it |
| [18:21:04] | pembo13: | how would i fix a problem where by all the challens in mythtv's Guide are one channel out of place? |
| [18:21:16] | Juski: | mairas: EIT data is in a state of flux – doesn't work too well in plan 0.19 but there have been a lot of improvements in svn that might make it into 0.19.1 |
| [18:21:26] | fridge: | pembo13: probably via a sql script |
| [18:21:39] | mairas: | Juski, thanks for the information. |
| [18:21:43] | Juski: | pembo13: have you read the mythtv docs? they mention the very issue in there |
| [18:22:40] | Juski: | fridge: what window manager do you use? I suggest trying a different one or else dump mplayer for xine, vlc or ogle |
| [18:22:43] | pembo13: | Juski: hadn't noticed, thanks |
| [18:22:56] | Juski: | pembo13: see the troubleshooting section IIRC |
| [18:23:04] | fridge: | Juski: I am not currently using a window manager — mythfrontend is being launched from .xsession |
| [18:23:13] | pembo13: | pembo13: okay, i can find that |
| [18:23:20] | Juski: | fridge: there lies your problem. you _need_ a wm |
| [18:23:43] | Juski: | even just a lightweight one like ratpoison/twm/fluxbox.... |
| [18:24:32] | Juski: | Coume: we have the forums back! (yay) |
| [18:24:34] | fridge: | Juski: oh, OK |
| [18:24:43] | fridge: | all this time I've run myth without one :) |
| [18:25:01] | fridge: | mplayer works OK if you control it via lirc |
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| [18:25:27] | meisterwinter: | hi |
| [18:26:17] | fridge: | Juski: yep, that fixed it — cheers |
| [18:26:40] | meisterwinter: | if i wanted to play videos with mythtv, which players do i need? |
| [18:27:05] | fridge: | meisterwinter: I use mplayer |
| [18:27:16] | fridge: | it's a bit clunky with dvd's though |
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| [18:27:25] | dev: | xine is another good one |
| [18:27:32] | meisterwinter: | i need a player that need low performance |
| [18:27:42] | pembo13: | Juski: the docs seems to be refering to a system wide problem, the channels are only off in the guide |
| [18:28:02] | meisterwinter: | i want to play all video formats |
| [18:28:17] | grndslm: | how do i get mythbackend to start at boot??? running dapper |
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| [18:28:20] | Darthy: | hi |
| [18:28:21] | meisterwinter: | like xvid, (s)vcd, dvd, |
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| [18:29:09] | meisterwinter: | grndslm: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.12 |
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| [18:29:38] | Darthy: | juski> i finally got my dvb cards running.. the problem was fucking tree-leafs which i cut yesterday.. and everything works fine.. though 3 days of endless trying worthless... but it works now!! :) |
| [18:30:00] | fridge: | were they interfering with your signal? |
| [18:30:07] | Darthy: | yes |
| [18:30:18] | Darthy: | in the winter everything worked fine |
| [18:30:39] | Darthy: | but now – with all the leafs on.. only sometimes it worked |
| [18:31:05] | grndslm: | meisterwinter, that doesn't say anything about debian/ubuntu |
| [18:31:33] | fridge: | grndslm: are you using deb packages for myth? |
| [18:31:39] | Darthy: | and it was just the time when i switched to mythtv.. :)) i tested every fucking version.. build it myself.. tried different drivers (v4l aso) and also switched my backend hardware... :) then yesterday i cutted the trees.. and everythings fine! |
| [18:31:59] | fridge: | the package should've dropped mythtv-backend into /etc/init.d — all you need to do is link it into your current runlevel |
| [18:32:31] | meisterwinter: | ah, thats right, sorry |
| [18:32:32] | Darthy: | but i have another question regarding channel order in the frontend. how can i change the chan order? |
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| [18:35:02] | grndslm: | fridge, yes i am |
| [18:35:24] | grndslm: | fridge, link what to what |
| [18:35:59] | Coume: | Juski, yep the server was up again on new hardware around 2 p.m. UK time :) |
| [18:37:21] | grndslm: | how do i link the /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend script to the current runlevel? |
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| [18:40:26] | pembo13: | has anyone here had the channel of by one problem and fixed it? |
| [18:41:39] | psofa: | Juski, could you help me with ivtv pls? |
| [18:41:47] | psofa: | while ivtv is loading i get those |
| [18:41:49] | psofa: | ivtv0: Failed to load module tuner |
| [18:41:49] | psofa: | ivtv0: Failed to load module tda9887 |
| [18:41:49] | psofa: | ivtv0: Failed to load module cx25840 |
| [18:41:49] | psofa: | ivtv0: Failed to load module wm8775 |
| [18:42:04] | psofa: | none of these modules is loaded |
| [18:42:16] | psofa: | lsmod doesnt show anyone of them |
| [18:42:21] | psofa: | and i can modprobe them fine |
| [18:42:41] | psofa: | using the 0.6.x driver |
| [18:43:00] | psofa: | which seems to get installed to /lib/modules/<kernel ver>/ivtv |
| [18:43:33] | fridge: | grndslm: try apt-get install update-rc.d && update-rc.d mythtv-backend defaults |
| [18:45:12] | meisterwinter: | anyone knows how to use the hauppauge remote with mythtv? |
| [18:45:22] | meisterwinter: | to control the frontend |
| [18:45:31] | grndslm: | fridge, there's file-rc and rcconf....this is dapper, btw |
| [18:45:54] | fridge: | what is the standard in dapper? |
| [18:46:52] | pembo13: | nevermind |
| [18:46:58] | fridge: | link /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend into one of the run level directories |
| [18:47:25] | fridge: | grndslm: are you using the deb packages ? |
| [18:48:32] | grndslm: | fridge, i can't link files that already exist |
| [18:48:56] | grndslm: | should i delete the /etc/rc2.d/S20myth file? |
| [18:49:00] | grndslm: | and then link? |
| [18:50:01] | meisterwinter: | grndslm: try: update-recd |
| [18:50:07] | meisterwinter: | dry |
| [18:50:10] | meisterwinter: | sry |
| [18:50:17] | grndslm: | huh? |
| [18:50:32] | meisterwinter: | update-rc.d |
| [18:50:33] | fridge: | if you already have an init script in place, mythtv should be starting on boot |
| [18:50:46] | grndslm: | fridge....i know...but it doesn't |
| [18:51:03] | meisterwinter: | have you try update-rc.d |
| [18:51:04] | meisterwinter: | ? |
| [18:51:14] | grndslm: | i installed the http://deb.thehunter.ws/ packages on dapper |
| [18:51:55] | grndslm: | i've never used update-rc.d before |
| [18:52:06] | grndslm: | anything i've ever installed just automatically works in debian |
| [18:52:08] | fridge: | yeah, that package should've provided an /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend script |
| [18:52:14] | grndslm: | this is the first problem i've ever run into |
| [18:52:16] | fridge: | where did the existing S20myth file come from? |
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| [18:52:28] | grndslm: | fridge, it was already there too |
| [18:52:40] | fridge: | grndslm: I'd say try removing that old one and using the mythtv-backend script that is in /etc/init.d |
| [18:53:38] | grndslm: | well, it looks like the rc2.d file was a link already to the init.d/mythtv-backend script |
| [18:53:57] | grndslm: | this is pretty messed up |
| [18:54:08] | fridge: | if you manually run the script, does mythtv-backend start? |
| [18:54:17] | fridge: | or is there another error preventing it from starting up? |
| [18:56:04] | grndslm: | ahh...there is an error: "Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| [18:56:38] | grndslm: | but it works if i simply type "mythbackend" in a terminal |
| [18:57:37] | fridge: | run "sh -x mythtv-backend start" and try and see where the error is being generated |
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| [19:00:56] | grndslm: | immediately after: case "$1" in echo -n 'Starting MythTV Server: mythbackend', and then the long mythbackend startup command |
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| [19:01:48] | grndslm: | Session management error....how do ya fix that? |
| [19:02:25] | makomk: | Ah, I see session management is making a nuisance of itself again (totally different problem from the one I encountered with it, though). |
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| [19:05:11] | Coume: | re |
| [19:05:43] | meisterwinter: | anyone knows how to use the hauppauge remote with mythtv? |
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| [19:10:31] | grndslm: | anybody here know how to fix a session management error? |
| [19:10:49] | daniele83: | hi! i've problem installing the debian binary. apt asks for a library, libqt3c102-mt... but that library conflicts with every kde app on the earth... |
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| [19:11:05] | purplefrog: | Where did bugzilla go? I'm trying to find fixes for php5 problems with mythweb. |
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| [19:21:10] | fridge: | meisterwinter: I've been using the hauppage nova-t remote |
| [19:21:16] | fridge: | I'm not sure if it is the same model |
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| [19:23:14] | Juski: | re |
| [19:25:10] | Coume: | **OT Warning** If you are from Outside the UK and you have 1min, could you check http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3114 &nd ash; We need you to ping us :) |
| [19:25:54] | Coume: | Juski, how is the weather like in Manchester? |
| [19:26:08] | Coume: | here is room is far too hot with the 3 computers running :( |
| [19:26:17] | Coume: | s/is/my |
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| [19:29:07] | Juski: | It's been like 21–22 deg. C most of the day. cooling down now a little |
| [19:31:02] | Coume: | I bet we will have 2 weeks of rain after such a nice day :P |
| [19:31:34] | Juski: | I hope not. I wanna have a barbie tomorrow :-) |
| [19:32:10] | eidolon: | hey, in mythgame – isn't there a hotkey to jump to a title? i have a zillion roms, and i hate having to arrow down or page down through hundreds of entries to get to something starting with 's'. just hitting 's' doesn't wrk :( |
| [19:33:01] | ** Juski notes the copyright protection peeps starting to track eidolon down to see the physical stack of ROMs he owns :-P ** | |
| [19:33:14] | ** eidolon snickers. ** | |
| [19:33:25] | eidolon: | i actually have quite a stack :) i was doing a bunch of MAME cabinet work for a bit. |
| [19:33:29] | Juski: | just delete the chaff. you can have too much stuff you know |
| [19:33:30] | ** eidolon neeners :) ** | |
| [19:33:43] | eidolon: | anyway – is there a way to shortcut? |
| [19:33:49] | Juski: | not AFAIK |
| [19:33:52] | eidolon: | feh. k :) |
| [19:34:05] | Juski: | mythgame doesn't yet have a search function like mythmusic does |
| [19:34:09] | ** eidolon nods. ** | |
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| [19:39:19] | ** Juski scans for channels on the demo box ** | |
| [19:41:08] | grndslm: | Does anybody here know why the mythbackend init.d script gives me a session management error: authentication rejected, reason: none of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed??? |
| [19:41:42] | Juski: | grndslm: you can ignore that |
| [19:41:59] | Juski: | I get that on my ubuntu system & it works just fine |
| [19:42:00] | grndslm: | Juski....umm...it doesn't start mythbackend |
| [19:42:12] | grndslm: | i still have to type mythbackend in a terminal later |
| [19:42:17] | grndslm: | and then it starts up |
| [19:43:03] | Juski: | laga showed me a neat trick you can do with init scripts the other day to see where the problem is – trouble is I can't remember what it was :-/ |
| [19:44:55] | grndslm: | i think it was sh -x mythbackend or somethin' like that |
| [19:45:11] | grndslm: | but it just said the same error as soon as it launches the program |
| [19:45:34] | Juski: | the error is nothing to worry about afaik |
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| [19:46:00] | grndslm: | i guess i'll just have to add mythbackend at the end of some other already written script???? |
| [19:46:05] | meisterwinter: | re |
| [19:46:21] | meisterwinter: | fridge, can we try it? |
| [19:46:22] | grndslm: | so that i don't have to type it myself at reboot? |
| [19:46:56] | Juski: | grndslm: most likely suspect is one of the paths in the script is wrong |
| [19:47:19] | sapbeast: | i wonder if there is an easy method to queue up a bunch of files for my transcode script |
| [19:47:22] | sapbeast: | outside mythtv |
| [19:47:27] | Juski: | the command was something like bash /etc/init.d/mythbackend ... |
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| [19:49:46] | ^zeon^: | guys, how do i setup mythtv.. a lil help needed. i got mysql installed properly |
| [19:50:09] | meisterwinter: | anyone knows how to use the hauppauge remote with mythtv |
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| [19:51:00] | grndslm: | Juski, I have no idea what would be wrong with the scripts |
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| [19:51:17] | grndslm: | how do i find out what's wrong? |
| [19:52:01] | grndslm: | should i just tag mythbackend on the end of another file or just write it in it's own file? |
| [19:52:19] | Juski: | grndslm: have a look in the init script & see if the paths look okay |
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| [19:53:33] | grndslm: | they look alright...nothing's mistyped...should /home/mythtv be in there, because it's not |
| [19:53:42] | Ubongo: | hi all |
| [19:53:45] | Juski: | the init script could even be trying to run mythbackend as root, and if the root user doesn't have a mysql.txt file in /root/~.mythtv (or in /etc/mythtv) it could be failing to connect to the db |
| [19:55:00] | Ubongo: | anyone using myth with an Echostar/ExpressVu 4100 STB? |
| [19:55:29] | Ubongo: | how do you get myth to change channels on this STB? |
| [19:55:55] | grndslm: | Juski, I think you're right.... |
| [19:56:04] | grndslm: | there's no mysql.txt file |
| [19:56:08] | grndslm: | wtf? |
| [19:56:15] | grndslm: | that's weird |
| [19:56:20] | Juski: | Ubongo: people usually use IR blasters or serial port connections... or firewire to change channels on STBs |
| [19:56:41] | Ubongo: | I have a Hauppage PVR150 with a blaster |
| [19:56:51] | Juski: | grndslm: so get one in there then. if you have an /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt I think you should be fine though |
| [19:56:54] | Ubongo: | can't get it to change channels though |
| [19:56:59] | Juski: | (so long as it's right that is) |
| [19:57:17] | Juski: | Ubongo: have you seen any of the excellent howto guides about this very subject? |
| [19:57:36] | Ubongo: | no...please direct me to the howtos |
| [19:58:00] | Juski: | can you use google? |
| [19:58:42] | Ubongo: | sure...thanks |
| [19:59:03] | [BBF]PUNK: | hello, I have a issue that has been driving me insane! When I start ubuntu, the remote gets started, then a script runs mythfrontend, but mythfrontend doesn't recognize the remote, if I simply close out, and go back into mythfrontend, it magically works! |
| [19:59:17] | Juski: | Ubongo: looky here: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=19 |
| [20:00:12] | [BBF]PUNK: | i can tell the remote is geetting loaded though, because irw works great, and if I go back into mythfrontend again, it works |
| [20:00:15] | Juski: | [BBF]PUNK: is your script running mythfrontend as the right user? it'll look in ~/.mythtv for your lircrc file, so wrong user, there may not be a lircrc file there |
| [20:00:19] | Ubongo: | thanks juski...I seen that one before...I tried what it said but it didn't work |
| [20:00:52] | [BBF]PUNK: | o, that might be it! |
| [20:01:20] | [BBF]PUNK: | how would you setup a script to switch user though? |
| [20:01:22] | Juski: | Ubongo: right. the pvr150 ir blaster supports a limited number of codes |
| [20:02:14] | Juski: | [BBF]PUNK: just set up the mythtv (or whatever) user to autologin and put your script in the .xinitrc or something |
| [20:02:15] | [BBF]PUNK: | nvm, i got it |
| [20:02:49] | Juski: | Ubongo: how far did you get? I don't have such a setup myself but I helped somebody through it once before |
| [20:04:32] | Juski: | Ubongo: if the code for your STB isn't built into the PVR150's database you might have problems. though lirc.org has a _lot_ of IR config files |
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| [20:07:10] | psofa: | Juski, are your colours kinda washed out with ivtv? |
| [20:07:20] | psofa: | they are kinda whiter than my tv |
| [20:08:18] | Juski: | psofa: nope. lovely & bold here |
| [20:08:27] | psofa: | hmm |
| [20:08:30] | Juski: | there's the ivtvctl command for that |
| [20:10:37] | AngryElf: | has anyone gotten digital sound output working? I can't even get it working with everything else, let alone myth |
| [20:11:14] | ** Juski looks at the channel name. yup it's definitely #mythtv-users ** | |
| [20:12:54] | psofa: | lol |
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| [20:35:05] | achew22: | Hello! |
| [20:37:14] | ** Juski wakes up ** | |
| [20:37:29] | gardengnome: | hi |
| [20:37:48] | Juski: | hey gardengnome how's the new toy (patient?) |
| [20:38:49] | gardengnome: | Juski: dunno. had some car cleaning madness till 10pm. |
| [20:39:30] | Juski: | bit late to be cleaning the car...? |
| [20:40:10] | gardengnome: | i started at 5pm. |
| [20:40:16] | Juski: | yikes |
| [20:40:22] | Coume: | 5 hours to clean the car? |
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| [20:40:28] | m13a8: | car must have been worse than my desk |
| [20:40:34] | gardengnome: | that's why i said "madness". the first time i cleaned it, it was like 10 hours. |
| [20:40:35] | achew22: | gardengnome: do you own a RV? |
| [20:40:39] | gardengnome: | achew22: naw. |
| [20:40:43] | Coume: | OMG, gardengnome bought a limo :) |
| [20:40:48] | gardengnome: | :P |
| [20:41:02] | Juski: | like polishing & stuff? |
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| [20:41:19] | ** Juski 's desk is a fscking tip again ** | |
| [20:41:22] | xris: | gardengnome: man, that free tuition must leave a lot of spare cash if you have that kind of stuff. ;) |
| [20:41:43] | gardengnome: | xris: what kind of stuff? a car? ;) |
| [20:41:55] | xris: | I didn't have a car in college... |
| [20:41:57] | gardengnome: | Juski: nope, just cleaning the seats. that foam is really, really nasty. |
| [20:42:03] | xris: | and my current one cost me $500. |
| [20:42:13] | gardengnome: | xris: parents with enough money *cough* |
| [20:42:38] | achew22: | xris: what do you drive? |
| [20:42:56] | Juski: | cleaning the seats took that long? you need to start taking your girlfriend to hotels :-P |
| [20:42:56] | Coume: | xris, you are one of the only one I know that must have a computer more expensive that is car :) |
| [20:43:10] | achew22: | Coume I'm the same way |
| [20:43:24] | Coume: | Juski, lol I did not want to be the one starting on that topic :P |
| [20:43:44] | xris: | Coume: father of one of my friends is a mechanic. I got a really good deal on an old camry. plus, I'm just not that into cars. as long as it runs and is fairly comfortable to sit in, I don't care. |
| [20:43:58] | achew22: | I drive an 88' hatchback camery that I found at a junk yard and put 50$ into new sparkplugs on. it was a total of 300$ |
| [20:44:12] | xris: | I think my computer (excluding monitor) was only about $650, anyway. |
| [20:44:14] | Coume: | god :) |
| [20:44:14] | gardengnome: | Juski: well. the towels i used to clean the seats were covered with brownish-redish stains – i don't wanna know what the first owner did in there. but my dad asked him and he said that no fornication took place. |
| [20:44:23] | achew22: | xris: what year? |
| [20:44:25] | gardengnome: | Juski: gee, thanks. i have a big, comfy bed. |
| [20:44:25] | xris: | achew22: 87 |
| [20:44:28] | achew22: | DAMN |
| [20:44:32] | achew22: | I loose for oldest car |
| [20:44:36] | xris: | lol |
| [20:44:37] | achew22: | my car is older than me though... |
| [20:44:42] | Coume: | xris, achew22, so you must pay more insurance than the price of the car no? |
| [20:45:06] | achew22: | I only have liability insurance because the car is almost worthless |
| [20:45:10] | xris: | Coume: just barely, I think.. hard to say since the payment is lumped together with my wife's car |
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| [20:45:18] | xris: | achew22: yeah, same here on mine. |
| [20:45:26] | achew22: | its 60$ a month because i'm a student and some other stuff |
| [20:45:29] | xris: | if I added comprehensive, the deductible is more than the car is worth |
| [20:45:41] | xris: | achew22: not bad. I pay $120 for my camry and my wife's 2000 echo. |
| [20:45:52] | Coume: | eheh I looked at cheap car in the UK, but insurance was way more expensive than the car... |
| [20:45:56] | achew22: | I never drive... I just buy soda in it |
| [20:46:15] | xris: | Coume: thought you were in france. |
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| [20:46:40] | achew22: | I told my insurance guy that and he said something to the effect of, "Why do you even have insurance?" |
| [20:46:41] | gardengnome: | xris: he used to, but the police is after him |
| [20:46:46] | Coume: | xris, I was before travelling Central America and then finding a job in the UK :) |
| [20:47:03] | xris: | ahh |
| [20:47:05] | achew22: | Coume what did you do? |
| [20:47:07] | xris: | you go to costa rica? |
| [20:47:11] | bilbravo: | man |
| [20:47:12] | ** xris likes costa rica ** | |
| [20:47:16] | Coume: | tried to call gardengnome |
| [20:47:18] | bilbravo: | i'm 23, and i pay $213 a month for my car |
| [20:47:26] | Coume: | tried to kill gardengnome |
| [20:47:27] | Coume: | lol |
| [20:47:31] | gardengnome: | Coume: heh |
| [20:47:32] | bilbravo: | when i get married, adding my fiance will make my insurance go up $1 a month.. pathetic |
| [20:47:41] | xris: | bilbravo: lol |
| [20:47:55] | achew22: | bilbravo: thats sweet |
| [20:48:08] | Coume: | xris, yep, Guatemala, Nicacaragua, honduras and costa rica a very country indeed :) |
| [20:48:08] | ** xris dreads having to get a new car if his new commute sucks. ** | |
| [20:48:16] | bilbravo: | yeah, but i still feel i get ripped off... |
| [20:48:29] | xris: | Coume: I'm probably going to guatemala next april... (with habitat for humanity) |
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| [20:48:43] | achew22: | I think i'm going to get a new car... whats you all's oppinion on carputers? |
| [20:48:51] | Coume: | xris, I had lots of friends backpacker in Xela working for them |
| [20:49:19] | ** xris should really go back to pulling weeds and lawn mowing... ** | |
| [20:49:23] | bilbravo: | carputer? |
| [20:49:32] | bilbravo: | is that a computer in your car? that you would use while driving? |
| [20:49:36] | gardengnome: | achew22: depends. i'm gonna build something based on openwrt to do gps tracking and mp3 playback. lots of people do DVD playback and so on, but i don't know why i'd need that. |
| [20:49:43] | achew22: | it controls gps mp3 and video |
| [20:49:46] | xris: | achew22: I think they're stupid, actually. heh |
| [20:49:51] | Coume: | have fun gardening xris ;) |
| [20:49:53] | achew22: | I get lost so often though.... |
| [20:50:02] | xris: | achew22: prius + dvd nav |
| [20:50:03] | bilbravo: | i think a cd player is too much distraction for 90% of the drivers i see on the beltway |
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| [20:50:18] | xris: | bilbravo: agreed... |
| [20:50:24] | bilbravo: | the advent of satellite and mp3s players has made it worse... a "carputer" would probably just make them even worse |
| [20:50:52] | xris: | pretty sure here it's illegal to have a video screen within the driver's field of vision, too |
| [20:51:11] | bilbravo: | but the thingi s, it's nto enforced |
| [20:51:15] | xris: | plus I try to spend as little time as possible in my car |
| [20:51:21] | achew22: | I went over to my friends house yesterday to solder a modchip onto his xbox and his soldering iron after an hour of heating couldn't melt solder.... hahaha |
| [20:51:27] | gardengnome: | xris: you need a nicer car. :) |
| [20:51:28] | bilbravo: | at least not here, i see people watching movies when making my commute from baltimore to richmond once a month |
| [20:51:29] | xris: | bilbravo: it's hard to.. most of those things also serve as the control interface for the radio/cd |
| [20:51:45] | xris: | gardengnome: nope. I prefer to be elsewhere... in the car means I'm sitting in traffic and wasting gas. |
| [20:51:45] | bilbravo: | xris: agreed, i'm not saying it'd be easy to enforce |
| [20:52:36] | bilbravo: | i think aftermarket players that have a screen (usually touch) to control the cd/radio, shoudl not have any input |
| [20:52:37] | achew22: | Coume why are you evading the french police? |
| [20:52:43] | bilbravo: | otherwise, it's illegal to sell |
| [20:52:50] | bilbravo: | of course we're too far gone to enforce anything like that now |
| [20:53:00] | Coume: | achew22, I'm not! lol |
| [20:53:07] | achew22: | ohh... |
| [20:53:10] | xris: | ok, I'm really leaving now.. later. |
| [20:53:11] | achew22: | okay |
| [20:53:13] | bilbravo: | plus us americans are so full of ourselves and believe we have every right to do anything we want in our car |
| [20:53:16] | Coume: | achew22, I wanted to work in the uk :) |
| [20:53:16] | bilbravo: | see ya |
| [20:53:17] | achew22: | bye xris: I love you |
| [20:53:21] | gardengnome: | achew22: he's lying. don't trust him – remember? the police is after him! |
| [20:53:27] | Coume: | gardengnome, run... |
| [20:53:36] | gardengnome: | Coume: :) |
| [20:53:37] | Juski: | lol |
| [20:53:37] | achew22: | AHHHH |
| [20:53:46] | achew22: | <-- so confused |
| [20:54:02] | ** achew22 turns up music to evade the confusion ** | |
| [20:54:54] | ** Coume needs to find a movie to watch :/ ** | |
| [20:55:07] | achew22: | Coume go watch GoodFellas |
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| [21:02:30] | [R]: | so i must say... the mythtv scheduler is so cool... i've set it to record all episodes of law and order and some stupid show on mtv, i gave the law and order higher priority and it knows to record that when the yconflict, but it just figures out it can record the stupid mtv nonsense later on in the day cuz of repeats |
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| [21:08:33] | gardengnome: | Juski: looks like the front panel PCB has some smart chip on it. IIRC, the front panel acts as a ps/2 device. |
| [21:08:35] | Hoxzer: | achew22: GoodFellas are goodfellas >:) |
| [21:08:35] | Hoxzer: | but anyway how old are u and just tell me everything about u |
| [21:08:37] | Hoxzer: | wanna know |
| [21:08:44] | Juski: | mtv never went for the pitch I put in for a new show... "pimp my wife" it was called |
| [21:09:04] | MonMotha: | [R]: The scheduler is actually pretty good, yes. I have mine set to postpone higher priority items to a later slot in an attempt to catch everythign. 2 tuners is enough to almost never have a conflict |
| [21:09:26] | gardengnome: | Juski: looks like you're on your own here. |
| [21:09:40] | achew22: | Juski: I wanted to do one where they actualy took peoples daughters and put them on the street and gave them a pimp... calling it "Pimp my daughter" and do it in the deep south |
| [21:10:05] | Juski: | but then you found out they'd already done it for real? |
| [21:10:08] | Juski: | :-P |
| [21:10:09] | [R]: | lol |
| [21:10:11] | MonMotha: | curse you horrible aspect ratio handling in MythTV |
| [21:10:26] | MonMotha: | 5:4 != 4:3 |
| [21:10:38] | Juski: | gardengnome: sounds good for the IR wakey up stuff :-) |
| [21:10:43] | MonMotha: | oddly enough, if you take a 16:9 recording and do a 4:3 zoom/crop on it, it gets it right |
| [21:11:04] | achew22: | MonMotha: if you take a 4:3 recording and its screwing up go to 16:9 and it will fix it |
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| [21:11:13] | achew22: | I'm going to go play frizby BYE ALL |
| [21:11:14] | gardengnome: | Juski: yep. i wonder if i should connect the DOM to my pc. that'd give me at least some satisfaction |
| [21:11:17] | Juski: | you could even have a show where some guys in a shop add loads of stupid neons & shit.. and call it "gimp my ride" |
| [21:11:19] | ** achew22 is away: Frizby ** | |
| [21:11:27] | Juski: | oh wait... |
| [21:11:44] | MonMotha: | achew22: that's not the issue |
| [21:12:03] | MonMotha: | the issue is that it's taking 4:3 stuff and stretching it vertically (very, very slightly) to fullscreen, which is 5:4 on my monitor |
| [21:14:51] | MonMotha: | fortunately, it's not nearly as noticable as 4:3 stretch to 16:9 |
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| [21:23:51] | psofa: | should i trust myths channel scanner for my pvr 150 mce? |
| [21:24:02] | grndslm: | how do i open the backend up so that my frontend can connect to mysql? |
| [21:24:02] | psofa: | because the reseption is kinda crappy |
| [21:24:03] | psofa: | *reception |
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| [21:27:39] | scottder: | weee pulled the trigger on a new TV |
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| [21:36:41] | psofa: | what is a good value for the bitrate on a pvr 150? |
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| [21:37:11] | scottder: | I've always used the defaults and it worked fine for me |
| [21:37:21] | Juski: | that depends. if you want it to look like shit, turn it way down :-P |
| [21:37:32] | scottder: | hey I LIKE artifacting! |
| [21:37:35] | scottder: | :) |
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| [21:38:45] | Juski: | psofa: experiment & see what you can live with |
| [21:39:16] | psofa: | Juski, i suppose you mean the bigger the bitrate the more laggy it will be? |
| [21:39:39] | psofa: | Juski, have you used the embedded channel scanner for your channels? |
| [21:40:32] | psofa: | also theres another option about resolution or im i completelly way off |
| [21:40:58] | Juski: | psofa: I don't have any analogue channels |
| [21:42:22] | xris: | too many weeds.... too much lawn..... |
| [21:42:33] | xris: | anyone want to help? free beer. :) |
| [21:42:55] | Juski: | free flight too? |
| [21:43:00] | xris: | lol |
| [21:43:01] | xris: | sorry |
| [21:43:17] | Juski: | aww |
| [21:43:18] | xris: | just turned into a gorgeous day.... |
| [21:43:35] | xris: | I'm seriously out of shape, though |
| [21:43:58] | xris: | however, I'm going to get GALLONS of raspberries this year... |
| [21:45:34] | scottder: | heh. ordered my TV from newegg....got a free remote controlled dinosaur with it! |
| [21:46:47] | xris: | lol |
| [21:48:22] | Juski: | woo |
| [21:48:38] | Juski: | or should that be 'roar' ;-) ? |
| [21:49:02] | scottder: | at least it was free |
| [21:49:14] | scottder: | no way would I pay $70 for it |
| [21:49:15] | scottder: | :) |
| [21:49:41] | xris: | scottder: what kind of tv? |
| [21:49:54] | scottder: | Samsung LNS3241D |
| [21:49:57] | m13a8: | wish i had a remote controled dinosaur...i'd send it after the dog lol |
| [21:50:14] | xris: | nice |
| [21:50:32] | xris: | sucks that true 1080i tv's are so hard to come by |
| [21:51:10] | scottder: | Yeah, but I was quite happy when I saw it in person |
| [21:51:24] | xris: | yeah, they're still all nicer than my 27" crt. :) |
| [21:51:31] | scottder: | has to be better than the 20 year old 20" TV connected via RF modulator I use now |
| [21:51:54] | scottder: | was thinking about upscaling DVD player |
| [21:52:07] | scottder: | then I though, why not just get a DVD-ROM for the Mythbox, |
| [21:52:18] | scottder: | that would basically be upscaling by default, right? |
| [21:52:23] | gardengnome: | Juski: playing tetris on the s100 now. :) |
| [21:52:28] | Juski: | the general consensus about dvd players that upscale is: let the TV do the scaling |
| [21:52:33] | scottder: | the myth will br running at the native res |
| [21:52:34] | Juski: | gardengnome: linuxed? |
| [21:52:42] | gardengnome: | Juski: no, still win ce'd. |
| [21:52:56] | psofa: | does myth's channel scan result depend on the fequency table? i left it to system default |
| [21:53:02] | gardengnome: | Juski: when navigating the menus, it says "please wait" for like 1 or 2 seconds every time. |
| [21:54:08] | Juski: | psofa: if you have the right freq for where you live default is fine |
| [21:54:18] | Juski: | gardengnome: lol.. that's CE for ya |
| [21:54:50] | psofa: | Juski, so it matters? |
| [21:55:01] | gardengnome: | Juski: yep. playing a different game now.... for just 0,10¤, i can put my name into the highscore list! |
| [21:55:07] | psofa: | maybe that explains the crappy reception |
| [21:55:43] | Juski: | gardengnome: heheh |
| [21:56:10] | Juski: | psofa: of course it matters what freq table you use. what did you put it as in the general page? |
| [21:56:41] | psofa: | europe east |
| [21:56:44] | psofa: | it says though |
| [21:56:52] | psofa: | if you have an antenna choose a -bcast |
| [21:57:05] | psofa: | :] |
| [21:57:22] | xris: | psofa: for america, yes |
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| [21:57:34] | xris: | or was that europe east-bcast? |
| [21:57:46] | psofa: | i had it to europe east |
| [21:57:50] | psofa: | im in greece |
| [21:58:03] | scottder: | Out of curiousity what software DVD players do you all use? |
| [21:58:04] | psofa: | whats the correct freq table? |
| [21:58:13] | xris: | scottder: I don't. |
| [21:58:33] | scottder: | xris, sticking with a stand along player? |
| [21:58:35] | scottder: | alone |
| [21:59:05] | xris: | scottder: yes. no sense mucking with a half-functioning software player on a computer when the hardware one works better to begin with |
| [21:59:23] | scottder: | Hmmm, true |
| [21:59:25] | xris: | I will someday replace it with a ps2 or wii, though |
| [21:59:42] | scottder: | The wii looks like an interesting console |
| [21:59:42] | psofa: | xris, ? |
| [21:59:43] | Juski: | psofa: I'd guess europe-west for greece.. but I dunno to be honest |
| [21:59:50] | scottder: | sucky name...but interesting console |
| [21:59:52] | psofa: | how would i know? |
| [22:00:03] | scottder: | I give Nintendo credit for taking chances on the new controller |
| [22:00:18] | xris: | psofa: I have no clue. you may just have to test things |
| [22:00:28] | sphery: | scottder: I love xine for DVD's... |
| [22:00:29] | xris: | scottder: it all depends on the games |
| [22:00:32] | psofa: | xris, if its a wrong one will it be obvious? |
| [22:00:40] | xris: | psofa: yes. it won't work |
| [22:00:41] | scottder: | Not to mention the wii looks like the best price-wise |
| [22:00:51] | xris: | scottder: that's the other reason |
| [22:00:57] | psofa: | with europe east ive got all channels |
| [22:00:57] | scottder: | sphery: does xine support menus? |
| [22:00:58] | xris: | and ps2 should drop REALLY low when the 3 comes out. |
| [22:01:04] | psofa: | but they look shit compared to my tv |
| [22:01:06] | xris: | psofa: sounds correct, then. |
| [22:01:09] | xris: | psofa: what kind of card? |
| [22:01:14] | psofa: | pvr 150 |
| [22:01:20] | sphery: | scottder: yep. |
| [22:01:25] | sphery: | menu support is great. |
| [22:01:36] | xris: | psofa: odd. define "shit" though... static, blurry, what? |
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| [22:01:43] | psofa: | also the backend says: |
| [22:01:45] | psofa: | stream: start_time: 0.276 duration: 4229.181 bitrate=102 kb/s |
| [22:01:47] | scottder: | I may even just get the DVD-ROM to rip my sons DVDs....the ones he watches constantly |
| [22:01:50] | psofa: | 102kb/s!!! |
| [22:01:57] | psofa: | xris, blurry for sure |
| [22:02:00] | sphery: | Many have been using the Internal player in Myth (which now supports menus--at least in SVN head), too, but I really like xine |
| [22:02:01] | psofa: | it isnt as sharp |
| [22:02:14] | psofa: | and the reception is way crappier |
| [22:02:16] | xris: | psofa: oh.. that sounds more like encoder settings problems... go into the recording profiles and fix the livetv profile |
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| [22:02:39] | psofa: | the pvr150 has an encoder byitself |
| [22:02:50] | xris: | psofa: yes, but you can control what size/bitrate it encodes at |
| [22:02:51] | sphery: | xris: My guess is $99 for the PS2 upon release of PS3. |
| [22:02:52] | psofa: | or i didnt understand what you're saying |
| [22:02:56] | psofa: | xris, lol |
| [22:02:58] | psofa: | wait |
| [22:03:00] | xris: | sphery: yup, same here. |
| [22:03:23] | sphery: | They won't go lower because the PS2 will be a game console for those not willing to spend $500-$600 on one. :) |
| [22:03:34] | xris: | sphery: exactly. :) that'd be me. |
| [22:03:46] | sphery: | Me too. |
| [22:03:49] | dev: | ps2 is pretty slow though |
| [22:03:56] | dev: | xbox is decent |
| [22:03:59] | sphery: | I'll get a PS3, but not for the games--for hacking. :) |
| [22:03:59] | xris: | dev: it's all about the games. |
| [22:04:09] | grndslm: | how do i open up a mysql backend for a frontend on a local network? |
| [22:04:17] | dev: | xris: very true, but the only ps2 games i personally found worth anything were tekken and gta |
| [22:04:22] | xris: | I'm not about to spend $800 on a ps3 (extra controllers, 1–2 games, etc) |
| [22:04:30] | dev: | oh hell no me niether |
| [22:04:38] | xris: | dev: burnout |
| [22:04:40] | dev: | but the nintendo wii looks pretty interesting. i would love to play that wii sports game |
| [22:04:50] | psofa: | xris, so i suppose ill up the res to 720x576 |
| [22:04:51] | sphery: | yeah, xris, burnout 1, 2, and 3!!! |
| [22:04:59] | dev: | burnout is much better on xbox than ps2 |
| [22:05:00] | xris: | grndslm: firewall or mysql permissions? |
| [22:05:08] | xris: | sphery: 4 isn't so bad, either |
| [22:05:15] | sphery: | There's a 4 now? |
| [22:05:23] | xris: | sphery: yeah, "revenge" or something like that. |
| [22:05:24] | sphery: | Hmmmm. |
| [22:05:31] | dev: | trust me on that one, i have xbox hooked up to doby 5.1, and my ps2 is connect via pro logic. there is a huge difference in framerate between game consoles |
| [22:05:33] | xris: | I think 3 is better, but 4 is pretty cool |
| [22:05:34] | grndslm: | xris, mysql permissions i'm guessing |
| [22:05:35] | dev: | and for driving games, thats very important |
| [22:05:55] | sphery: | grndslm: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/privilege-system.html |
| [22:05:57] | xris: | grndslm: GRANT ALL ON mythconverv.* to mythtv@'192.168.0.%' IDENTIFIED BY 'mythtv' |
| [22:05:57] | sphery: | :) |
| [22:06:03] | xris: | replace the ip with your network |
| [22:06:06] | xris: | the % is a wildcard |
| [22:06:40] | xris: | dev: no clue, there... I just don't like the xbox itself... |
| [22:06:46] | dev: | me niether |
| [22:06:47] | xris: | big gigantic noisy box |
| [22:06:50] | dev: | but modded its very useful |
| [22:07:08] | dev: | and a newsgroup account. |
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| [22:07:30] | sphery: | xris, I just bought 3 for my brother (I don't have any consoles). I guess now I have to get him Revenge... |
| [22:07:38] | dev: | only good games for it for burnout 3 and burnout revenge, and also need for speed underground 1, 2 and most wanted |
| [22:07:42] | dev: | you definitely want those games |
| [22:07:45] | dev: | (if you're into driving) |
| [22:07:45] | dev: | hehe |
| [22:07:46] | sphery: | Played 3 for a week on a visit. Liked it a bunch. |
| [22:07:55] | psofa: | xris, in the livetv profile it says bitrate 4500 but in the backend says |
| [22:07:57] | psofa: | stream: start_time: 0.276 duration: 4920.580 bitrate=43 kb/s |
| [22:08:01] | dev: | revenge is excellent |
| [22:08:08] | psofa: | i suppose i shouldnt take it seriously |
| [22:08:11] | dev: | took me 2 months to beat that one |
| [22:08:13] | xris: | dev: I'm not into driving.. crashing, on the other hand... :) |
| [22:08:15] | dev: | thats a long time. |
| [22:08:26] | xris: | psofa: you sure it's not just talking about the audio? |
| [22:08:35] | xris: | how's the quality look with the new resolution? |
| [22:08:40] | psofa: | better |
| [22:08:56] | psofa: | reception is still crappy though |
| [22:09:29] | xris: | psofa: could be a bad connection in the wire.. antenna, right? try unplugging the tv and as many other devices as you can... remove splitters, etc. |
| [22:09:31] | psofa: | and on some specific channs it does prebuffering pause all the time |
| [22:09:39] | psofa: | xris, yes |
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| [22:09:48] | psofa: | but its the same cable i plug in my tv |
| [22:10:17] | xris: | psofa: that's my point... try it with no splitter and JUST the mythbox plugged in |
| [22:10:27] | psofa: | but generally i see it has most problems with channels that where problematic to begin with |
| [22:10:29] | psofa: | lemme check |
| [22:11:10] | sphery: | psofa: Might also want to check out http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/17953#17953 for reception issues |
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| [22:12:40] | psofa: | xris, better but still worse |
| [22:12:57] | psofa: | sphery, ty for the link |
| [22:13:03] | xris: | psofa: only thing I can think of would be fine tuning the frequencies.. but I don't know anything about that. |
| [22:13:16] | psofa: | xris, im thinking of manually entering them |
| [22:13:32] | psofa: | instead or relying to myth |
| [22:13:34] | xris: | psofa: you can do that in mythweb — probably easier than through mythtv-setup |
| [22:13:54] | psofa: | ill prolly do it mysql directly |
| [22:14:07] | Juski: | right it's bedtime here. I'm pooped |
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| [22:18:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hi guys... I had an issue where mythbackend was basically 'locking up' and only doing 'housekeeping' from time to time. But then I noticed that 1/4 of my recordings were owned by 'root' instead of 'mythtv'. So somewhere along the lines I ran it as root by mistake. I did a chown on the recordings — is there anything else I should look at? |
| [22:18:22] | grndslm: | xris, so i updated mysql right....but my frontend still can't connect to the backend |
| [22:18:37] | xris: | grndslm: FLUSH PRIVILEGES |
| [22:18:41] | grndslm: | did that too |
| [22:18:49] | xris: | if that doesn't work, then you probably have firewall issues |
| [22:18:49] | gardengnome: | playback quality on my asus pundit is even worse than VHS sometimes :/ |
| [22:18:52] | grndslm: | but i'm not sure if i'm connecting as the mythtv user |
| [22:19:00] | grndslm: | i don't have any firewall running tho |
| [22:19:03] | psofa: | nice i upped the bitrate also to 5500 |
| [22:19:09] | xris: | grndslm: mysql -h xxxx -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg |
| [22:19:14] | psofa: | now the quality is decent |
| [22:19:18] | xris: | psofa: cool |
| [22:19:29] | psofa: | but the signal prob remains |
| [22:19:53] | psofa: | how much would an amp cost? |
| [22:20:34] | [BBF]PUNK: | does anyone here use mythtv in ubuntu |
| [22:20:39] | grndslm: | xris, i can't connect to the mythtv user |
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| [22:21:01] | grndslm: | i don't ever remember mysql being this much of a hassle before |
| [22:21:23] | xris: | grndslm: what's the exact error message? |
| [22:21:38] | xris: | [BBF]PUNK: most of the devs do, and several people here (not me) |
| [22:22:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | [BBF]PUNK – sorry Fedora Core here... |
| [22:22:24] | [BBF]PUNK: | k, i need to know how to get mythfrontend to start at boot |
| [22:22:33] | grndslm: | xris, it apparently got some password that i've never used before |
| [22:22:40] | grndslm: | and it wasn't blank |
| [22:23:19] | [BBF]PUNK: | it starts how i have it set up, but the remote doesn't work (someone siuggested it may be getting started as the wrong user ) |
| [22:23:30] | xris: | grndslm: that's what the "identified by" stuff should have covered |
| [22:23:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | [BBF]PUNK – On FC4 i' |
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| [22:23:56] | xris: | [BBF]PUNK: mythfrontend? that depends on which window manager you're using |
| [22:24:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | [BBF]PUNK – On FC4 i've got it in my rc.local iirc... |
| [22:24:01] | [BBF]PUNK: | gnome |
| [22:24:25] | psofa: | how can i tell if the realtime priority is on? ive done the changes to the file mentioned in the docs.But the fe on boot says that realtime priority would need setuid |
| [22:24:26] | xris: | [BBF]PUNK: preferences -> more prefs -> session... then just add it to the "start at login" stuff |
| [22:24:40] | [BBF]PUNK: | and, that is where it is now, but problems as above |
| [22:25:07] | [BBF]PUNK: | if I smply close mythfrontend and start it again, the remote works tho |
| [22:25:10] | xris: | [BBF]PUNK: that's an lirc problem, then... pretty sure lirc needs to run as root |
| [22:25:13] | xris: | oh, weird |
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| [22:26:06] | [BBF]PUNK: | so, someone suggested that if mythfrontend was getting started as the wrong user, it would be looking for the lircrc file in the wrong place |
| [22:26:35] | xris: | [BBF]PUNK: but if it starts with your session, then it's starting as you |
| [22:26:37] | [BBF]PUNK: | which would make sense, when I start it in the terminal it works |
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| [22:27:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | [BBF]PUNK – What user is mythfrontend running as when started automatically? Are you starting it as you from the terminal, or root? |
| [22:27:37] | [BBF]PUNK: | mythtv from terminal and I set up the session as mythtv |
| [22:27:46] | [BBF]PUNK: | i also loggin as mythtv |
| [22:28:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | [BBF]PUNK – Humm... xris — does lircd have to be running first? Perhaps mythfrontend is getting started before lircd? |
| [22:29:12] | [BBF]PUNK: | well, lircd should be getting started at boot, way b4 loggin |
| [22:29:31] | xris: | J-e-f-f-A: that's possible.. generally, lircd should get started at boot, though, rather than at login. |
| [22:29:58] | xris: | sorry to cut out, but I need to go back to doing yardwork. |
| [22:30:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: cya... |
| [22:30:37] | [BBF]PUNK: | k |
| [22:31:00] | psofa: | how will i suid mythfrontend? |
| [22:31:20] | gardengnome: | psofa: it's possible that your kernel doesn't support this anymore. but there are other ways mentioned in the docs.. |
| [22:31:20] | [BBF]PUNK: | is there a command like sudo that runs a program as a different user? |
| [22:32:45] | psofa: | [BBF]PUNK, iirc sudo can do that |
| [22:32:59] | psofa: | gardengnome, ? |
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| [22:37:05] | gardengnome: | psofa: wrt realtime priority |
| [22:39:59] | grndslm: | soo....when i connect to the backend, the mythfrontend process runs as the mythtv user?? |
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| [22:43:30] | grndslm: | omg....i'm dying, how can the frontend not connect to the backend database?? |
| [22:45:25] | psofa: | xris, i just saw that i had pal instead of palbg.Would that affect the finetuning during channel scan? |
| [22:45:35] | psofa: | should i scan again? |
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| [22:53:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: xris went to do some yard work... But I'd say if your channels aren't detected properly anyways, a scan can only make it better. |
| [22:53:33] | AngryElf: | anyone here with working digital sound? my receiver isn't picking up the signal......but it's not the receiver's fault...any ideas?? |
| [22:55:06] | bilbravo: | if i set something to record all shows on any channel any day, how do i change a rule like that? |
| [22:56:17] | bilbravo: | i guess, i mean, will it record the same show twice? if it's the same title? |
| [22:57:17] | scottder: | As long as the info is good, it won't |
| [22:57:36] | scottder: | some shows don't always have detailed info, so you'll end up with repeats |
| [22:57:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | bilbravo: It uses what you have it set to — typically subtitle and possibly closed-captioning (if your card supports it) |
| [22:58:13] | scottder: | For me I have to keep an eye on The Daily Show, since many won't have descriptions |
| [22:58:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | billbravo: Yeah, like scottder said — you'll have repeats if there's no subtitle or detail to check for dups, but it won't miss anything. |
| [22:58:59] | bilbravo: | ok |
| [22:59:06] | bilbravo: | then i guessi don't nee to change my setting :-) |
| [22:59:25] | grndslm: | anybody know why my frontend can't connect to my backend database??? i even opened up mysql to the frontend's ip address |
| [23:00:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | AngryElf: Sorry, I'm not setup for digital out now. I didn't personally think there was much of a need with analog inputs from my tuners... (Although my hidef tuner is recording 5.1, so maybe it's time to think about it!) |
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| [23:01:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | grndslm: did you set the password in the mysql database? The 'identified by' should be the password you're using iirc, not the user... |
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| [23:04:07] | grndslm: | J-e-f-f-A, I dropped the mythconverg db and tried again with the password this time...but the frontend still doesn't connect |
| [23:04:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | grndslm: what's the error message on the backend? |
| [23:05:30] | grndslm: | QSqlQuery::exec: database not open |
| [23:05:32] | grndslm: | QSqlQuery::exec: database not open |
| [23:05:32] | grndslm: | 2006-06–03 17:54:51.611 DB Error (KickDatabase): |
| [23:05:32] | grndslm: | Query was: |
| [23:05:32] | grndslm: | SELECT NULL; |
| [23:05:32] | grndslm: | No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| [23:05:34] | grndslm: | 2006-06–03 17:54:51.664 Database not open while trying to load setting: Language |
| [23:05:36] | grndslm: | 2006-06–03 17:54:54.470 Unable to connect to database! |
| [23:05:37] | grndslm: | 2006-06–03 17:54:54.470 Driver error was [1/2003]: |
| [23:05:39] | grndslm: | QMYSQL3: Unable to connect |
| [23:05:44] | grndslm: | Database error was: |
| [23:05:47] | grndslm: | Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.138' (111) |
| [23:05:49] | grndslm: | that's what it says on the frontend after i type in mythfrontend |
| [23:06:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | grndslm: And 192.168.1.138 is your backend's address? |
| [23:06:37] | grndslm: | yup |
| [23:07:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | grndslm: can you run the frontend ok on your backend? |
| [23:07:41] | dev: | grndslm: does netstat -nap |grep 3306 on your backend/mysql server box return localhost? |
| [23:07:56] | grndslm: | i can run the frontend on the backend, yes |
| [23:09:06] | grndslm: | dev, it says 127.0.0.1, but not localhost |
| [23:09:12] | dev: | thats your problem |
| [23:09:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | dev: good catch... |
| [23:09:21] | dev: | find your my.cnf and comment out bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| [23:09:42] | dev: | or set bind-address in my.cnf to your ip |
| [23:09:44] | dev: | either or. |
| [23:09:53] | dev: | jeffa: real common connection problem |
| [23:10:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | dev: I shall keep a note! ;-) thanks! |
| [23:10:22] | dev: | hehe |
| [23:10:46] | grndslm: | yea....personally....i think mysql adds 90% of the confusion behind mythtv |
| [23:11:12] | grndslm: | but i'm sure there's a reason that you don't feel like recreating a whole not database program |
| [23:11:19] | grndslm: | *new |
| [23:12:10] | grndslm: | hmm.... |
| [23:12:16] | grndslm: | it's still not connecting |
| [23:13:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | grndslm: if the netstat still shows 127.0.0.1 you need to restart mythbackend I would think... |
| [23:13:12] | dev: | restart mysql |
| [23:13:29] | dev: | if you dropped the mythtvconverg db, that will be a problem |
| [23:13:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | oops.. thats what I meant... |
| [23:14:37] | dev: | er mythconverg lol. mythtvconverg, bleh, tired :) |
| [23:16:05] | grndslm: | anytime you drop the mythconverg db then you have to run mythtv-setup again? |
| [23:16:24] | psofa: | wow! i retuned after removing all this splitter crap |
| [23:16:34] | psofa: | and now the channs are almost on par with my tv |
| [23:16:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | dev: maybe you'd know... I goofed up once or twice and started mythbackend as root — some of my recordings were then owned by root, and hence when I ran it correctly as 'mythtv', it would occasionally hang (but still output "Running Housekeeping" periodically, but nothing else). I've since given the recordings back to mythtv — anything else I should look at? |
| [23:16:36] | dev: | grndslm: yeah |
| [23:16:46] | grndslm: | i thought mysql was only used for the channels and shows info and stuff |
| [23:16:47] | dev: | psofa: splitters suck |
| [23:17:00] | psofa: | i can see |
| [23:17:03] | dev: | grndslm: mysql is used for everything hehe |
| [23:17:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: Yep — probably about 6db loss per splitter... |
| [23:17:18] | dev: | grndslm: everything except storage of the actual tv files |
| [23:17:22] | psofa: | dev, how much does a decent amp cost? |
| [23:17:54] | dev: | jeffa: just make sure your recordings directory is owned by the mythtv user, and you're good |
| [23:17:59] | dev: | psofa: no idea, try froogle :) |
| [23:18:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | dev: that's what I figured. Thanks! ;-) |
| [23:18:20] | dev: | np |
| [23:18:48] | grndslm: | cable amps make analog signal better? |
| [23:19:03] | dev: | splitters degrade the signal by splitting it |
| [23:19:08] | grndslm: | my analog signal sucks with all these splitters |
| [23:19:10] | dev: | amps restrenthen the signal |
| [23:19:28] | grndslm: | so i can get better myth quality by spending $50 or so |
| [23:19:39] | dev: | its better to use 1 4 way splitter, than 2 2 way splitters |
| [23:19:50] | gardengnome: | amps amplify signal.. and noise :) |
| [23:20:04] | grndslm: | dang... |
| [23:20:30] | grndslm: | well...when would am amp not be a good idea? |
| [23:20:37] | grndslm: | when you have w or 3 2way splitters? |
| [23:20:43] | grndslm: | 2 or 3 |
| [23:20:49] | gardengnome: | sometimes they're a good idea, especially if you use lots of splitters. |
| [23:20:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | dev's right — because the first 2-way split will lose ~6db/side, then the 2nd splits will lose 6db/side, resulting in the output from the 2nd splitter being about 12db less than the input... |
| [23:21:29] | grndslm: | is a cable amp ever a bad idea? |
| [23:21:45] | psofa: | how much loss would a sat+tv muxer?(i dont know hows that called) |
| [23:22:06] | psofa: | i take the sat and the antenna signal through a common cable |
| [23:22:12] | psofa: | and the split it up |
| [23:22:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | grndslm: What type of coax are you using? RG6 and/or RG6-QS (Quad Shield) is the best. |
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| [23:23:14] | grndslm: | Jeff, I have no friggin' idea what kinda coax i use |
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| [23:23:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: They're basically splitters, which just allow the 'analog' signals to pass to the sattelite line, then split them back off again. So I'd guess it'd be at least 6db loss, probably more like 10–15... |
| [23:23:55] | grndslm: | I just know that the lower 4 or 5 channels are staticy, where the higher analog channels are at least expected analog quality |
| [23:24:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | grndslm: Is it fairly thin, or is it really thick like the cable company uses? |
| [23:24:39] | psofa: | so where to put the amp |
| [23:24:47] | psofa: | before all this crap or after? |
| [23:25:18] | psofa: | shouldnt it be as close to the original source as possible? |
| [23:25:43] | grndslm: | i really don't know Jeff, i thought all cable was fairly standard |
| [23:25:46] | grndslm: | yup |
| [23:25:47] | grndslm: | definitely |
| [23:25:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: You have an antenna, right? If so, it should be at the antenna. |
| [23:26:08] | psofa: | J-e-f-f-A, kk ty |
| [23:27:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | grndslm: Nope... lots of different cables. The better ones (RG6 and RG6-QS) have very low loss. The cheap ones that come with TV's and VCR's, etc, are not very good usually. |
| [23:27:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: What's your setup now? Do you have a seperate cable for your antenna, or are you using a 'diplexer' setup with a sattelite cable? |
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| [23:29:18] | psofa: | on the last floor both the sat and the antenna signal get muxed .THey come to my room.There they get splitted to antenna and sat.Then the antenna signal gets splited into 3 others |
| [23:29:37] | psofa: | Until the damn splitters come into play the signal is ok |
| [23:30:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: Do you have an antenna amp now? |
| [23:30:34] | psofa: | nope |
| [23:30:52] | psofa: | infact only the pvr 150 seems to have a problem with the splitters |
| [23:31:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: There are also different quality splitters. Do they say on the top of the splitters what the loss is? |
| [23:31:18] | psofa: | they look really cheapy |
| [23:31:20] | psofa: | lemme check |
| [23:31:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: If that's the case, try putting the 150 on the 1st split. Then check that it didn't 'move' to the other tuner... |
| [23:32:20] | psofa: | theres a number |
| [23:32:26] | psofa: | but im not sure if its the loos |
| [23:32:28] | psofa: | loss |
| [23:32:32] | psofa: | it says 9.5 |
| [23:32:38] | psofa: | suppose thats high if its loss |
| [23:33:19] | psofa: | J-e-f-f-A, even on the first split the pvr looses |
| [23:33:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: humm... if that's per split, then perhaps. |
| [23:33:41] | AngryElf: | J-e-f-f-A, i was away.....i'm setting it up in general so mythDVD outputs with ac3, as well as some AVIs i've converted from DVD with ac3.....then eventually HD cable-box recording too |
| [23:35:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | AngryElf: cool. ;-) |
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| [23:36:22] | AngryElf: | too bad my receiver doesn't even recognize the signal :( |
| [23:36:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: I'm googling for splitters... ;-) |
| [23:37:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: How many tuners do you have? |
| [23:37:50] | psofa: | tv,dvb-t,dvb-s,pvr150 |
| [23:38:02] | psofa: | and maybe one more tv in the future |
| [23:38:29] | psofa: | its time i write my tv grabber in bash :P |
| [23:40:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: And how many splitters do you have on it now? 3 1->2 splitters, or a 1->2 and a 1->3 or ??? ;-) |
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| [23:40:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: What frequency rangs is DVB — is it less than 1ghz? |
| [23:40:58] | psofa: | no idea ;P |
| [23:41:24] | psofa: | ive got 2 1->2 splitters |
| [23:41:32] | psofa: | for the antenna signal |
| [23:41:46] | psofa: | and the other that splits the mixed dvb,antenna |
| [23:42:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: Ah... so DVB is sattelite, ok. So do you have 3 analog inputs, or just two? |
| [23:42:47] | psofa: | 3 |
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| [23:44:10] | ASTX813: | Do I need to install X before Myth? |
| [23:44:11] | kameron: | is there a way to get a user other than mythtv to use mythfrontend, etc? |
| [23:45:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok. For the lowest loss, you want a good 3-way splitter. I'm finding one for $25usd with 7.5db loss. |
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| [23:45:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: see above^^^ |
| [23:46:15] | psofa: | kk |
| [23:46:28] | psofa: | 25usd is like what 35 euros? |
| [23:46:50] | psofa: | i bought the crappy one for 7 euros :P |
| [23:46:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: Actually, I thought euros and usd were pretty close... |
| [23:47:14] | psofa: | ah yes |
| [23:47:16] | psofa: | wrong |
| [23:47:18] | psofa: | :p |
| [23:47:24] | psofa: | they are close |
| [23:47:31] | psofa: | was thinking of british money |
| [23:47:36] | dev: | its like 20euros |
| [23:47:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: I think you're thinking of pounds (exactly...) |
| [23:47:50] | psofa: | yeye |
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| [23:48:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: Looks like I just found the same splitter with the "Monster Cable" name for $19.53usd from amazon.com... I just googled for "3-way splitter low loss" |
| [23:49:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: it seems to have rave reviews on amazon... (well, of the 3, all are 5 stars...) |
| [23:50:07] | psofa: | J-e-f-f-A, you cant imagine how my splitter looks :P |
| [23:51:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: sure I can! I've done stuff like that 15+years ago... ;-) Now I'm sattelite, so I've got a 'switch' to run 4 receivers off of two dishes... ;-) |
| [23:52:39] | grndslm: | Anybody wanna explain to me why I'm getting this error when trying to start the backend? QServerSocked: failed to bind or listen to the socket, failed to bind port 6543 |
| [23:53:01] | grndslm: | i just changed the ip in /etc/mysql/my.cnf and redid mythtv-setup |
| [23:53:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | grndslm: is the backend already running? |
| [23:54:29] | dev: | grndslm: after chaning my.cnf you need to restart mysql |
| [23:54:39] | dev: | changing |
| [23:54:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: The "Monster Cable" brand splitter is only 3.4db loss... That's impressive IMHO!!! |
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| [23:55:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | psofa: oops, that's the 2-port splitter... the 3-port splitter is just 5.7db. Not bad either! |
| [23:55:53] | grndslm: | i'm just going to reboot |
| [23:55:57] | grndslm: | and see what happens |
| [23:56:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | grndslm: That usually would only come up if the backend was already running, or if your my.cnf was set to the wrong ip address. |
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| [23:57:24] | grndslm: | i definitely put the right ip address for the backend in my.cnf |
| [23:57:39] | grndslm: | no doubt about it |
| [23:57:50] | psofa: | J-e-f-f-A, well if thats true.... |
| [23:58:16] | Kel-kippin: | morning all |
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| [23:59:03] | bilbravo: | whenever i record a show it's like 37 minutes |
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