Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, June 1st, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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psofa:

but it happened yesterday too at the same time :)

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dev:

you know what myth needs

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dev:

a way to section shows recorded out by season

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psofa:

janneg, just crashed it

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dev:

i have 20 something episodes of stargate sg1, but if i go chronologically like recorded its jumping from season to season

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psofa:

it seems that some times i cant crash it at all

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kormoc:

armand, did you change any kernel options (such as changing the max ram option)?

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psofa:

and if i do a reboot it will happen soon Oo

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armand:

no i didnt do anything, didnt even recompile the kernel

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armand:

didnt recompile myth, nothing, just shut the box down, popped the 1gig dimm in it, and brought it back up

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armand:

yesterday afternoon.. so another day or 2 will really tell. im surprised though, that after 24hrs its the same. and tv has been watched on it

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psofa:

janneg, just did mythtv file

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psofa:

and guess what

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psofa:

crash!

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psofa:

the file plays fine on mplayer

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psofa:

now its reproducible

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armand:

infact the entire box runs better now heh

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** armand checks the myth docs, i wonder what they say for min mem **

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armand:

it may need to be updated :P

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psofa:

janneg, wherever you are respond at once

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psofa:

need to send you the file asap

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psofa:

:D

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janneg:

fine, sort of

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janneg:

can you mail the file to janne-mythtv@grunau.be

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psofa:

janneg, dcc?

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armand:

kormoc: are you seeing the leak on a combo frontend/backend?

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psofa:

its just one mb

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kormoc:

armand, no, I do not have the leak, and yeah, mine is a combo

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janneg:

I'm not sure if this client will accept dcc

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armand:

oh i thought you did

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armand:

woops sorry.

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psofa:

janneg, just try :)

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kormoc:

armand, up 3 days, 131 megs of ram used, 118 megs free

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armand:

you're the guy with the ext3 prebuffer thing

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armand:

hehe

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kormoc:

I have a small issue with ext3's slow deletion

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kormoc:

and yeah, the prebuffer pause on playback

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dev:

ive had problems with ext3 also

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dev:

that started with .19

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psofa:

janneg, nice :)

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dev:

im puting up a new fileserver within the next few days, once the friggin ram shows up

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dev:

will see if it goes away. im sure it will.

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dev:

raid5 sata2 xfs heh

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dev:

4x300gig seagate sata2's

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dev:

i bet the problem will go away hehe

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dev:

its going to be on a dual xeon 2.8ghz 2meg cache

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dev:

all of its put together, but i had the wrong ram for it ;/ returned it and ordered the right stuff, 4 days out

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psofa:

janneg, you cant imagine what you just did to yourself.from this day im gonna bug you forever until i can watch livetv :P :P

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dev:

im hoping the dual xeon will be able to handle 5 commflags at the same time

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dev:

should.. i think.

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janneg:

psofa: I can reproduce the segfault

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psofa:

yay!

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xris:

dev: why do you need so many simul commflags?

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dev:

5 tuners ;/

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xris:

why so much tv?

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dev:

crazy girlfriend :(

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xris:

you record 5 things at once all the time?

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dev:

not all the time, but it gets up to it on tuesday nights, at least during american idol

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janneg:

psofa: I'm pretty good to ignore random complaints

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xris:

geesch

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dev:

would be recording american idol, house, overhaulin, deadliest catch, some other things

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dev:

i get up to 3 at once alot

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janneg:

if I don't have time or motivation to solve them

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dev:

it really started happening this season...new shows started, that she started recording, but the shows that were recording last year same season are going on for another season, so they record to

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dev:

so it was this domino effect

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dev:

we record *all* this *damn* tv all the time

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rtsai:

but do you actually watch it all?

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dev:

yup

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dev:

1.2x

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dev:

heh

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kormoc:

unemployeed? :P

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dev:

i used to be, and thats part of the problem i think.. my stuffs filling up because i dont have enough tv time :)

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dev:

but i do watch it at work

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dev:

only certain shows though, because i pay little attention

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dev:

another perk of the dual xeon will be plenty of vlc cpu time

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psofa:

janneg, :(

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dev:

i used to have to watch it, if the girlfriend came home and watched tv and i was streaming to work, it would run like crap and her frontend would run like crap

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xris:

dev: still nuts since so much stuff on cable is rebroadcast like 8 times each week.

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dev:

thats why i love mythtv's ability to know it already recorded a show

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dev:

it gets it wrong sometimes, but thats zap2its fault not myth

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xris:

dev: just saying that you don't need to record simultaneously

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kormoc:

dev, well, a soon to be done feature to mythweb will be ability to watch videos inside of mythweb via a flash video player, which might be better then just vlc

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xris:

I only have a single tuner and rarely have double-up issues.

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dev:

xris: im never upgradeing past 5

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psofa:

janneg, btw mplayer says TS_PARSE: COULDN'T SYNC: -0.219 ct: -0.204 52/ 52 7% 0% 1.0% 0 0

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psofa:

Broken frame at 0xF0C0

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dev:

xris: i just never wanted that little message "all encoders in use"

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xris:

dev: hope not. 5 is a ton

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psofa:

though it doesnt bother

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dev:

kormoc: that will be so freaking hot

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kormoc:

I want a pvr 500 just to handle the once in a great while issues with missing a show for awhile

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janneg:

psofa: I have the file and get usable backtrace. even if there's an error in the file we shouldn't crash

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psofa:

janneg, nice! ty

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psofa:

if you ever come up with sth temporary to get rid of it just tell me

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psofa:

can also try many many many revisions

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psofa:

:)

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dev:

kormoc: that will be alot better than vlc. do you think the ability to watch livetv will also be incorporated? it seems like it would be a simple thing useing the telnet interface

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kormoc:

dev, not sure, I think likely it will, and likely it will just 'register' itself as a frontend so it won't tie up other frontends.

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dev:

i anticipate those functions greatly.

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_athen:

hi every1

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_athen:

anyone here with a dvb full featured card setup?

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xris:

dev: it'll happen eventually... probably after mythexport for livetv, though

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xris:

_athen: in answer to your question, probably not.

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janneg:

psofa: it's the same problem as in ticket 1887

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GreyFoxx:

_athen: Myth will not use the mpeg2 decoder on your FF card

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_athen:

GreyFoxx, xris: thx

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GreyFoxx:

the only mpeg2 decoders myth ever uses during playback are the xvmc GPU decoding and or the PVR350 mpeg2 decoder

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_athen:

do you know about any work in this way?

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GreyFoxx:

nope, none I've ever heard of

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_athen:

:( too bad then

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GreyFoxx:

Until you can run X and display it on the TV out of the card, few myth people are going to look to use the decoder

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psofa:

janneg, nice :)

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_athen:

I`m talknig about something like tvtime does....grabging thru v4l already decoded stream

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xris:

_athen: there's no real need, either... a good video card will do that for you.

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psofa:

janneg, it sounds easy to fix :)

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GreyFoxx:

_athen: No,myth doesn't.t And last I read those decoders displayed on the TV connector. I've never heardof one that you could use to decode back into memory (though I haven't really search for thatfeature either)

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psofa:

id try things in the actual code if it didnt take so much time to compile

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** GreyFoxx takes his dirty kid for a dunk in the tub **

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psofa:

but then i guess a simple !=NULL check wont do anything :P

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_athen:

I don`t think so...I mean I don`t think that any video card is able to do in hw demultiplexing of a ts

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xris:

_athen: in that case, no... decoding the mpeg, though, yes.

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janneg:

psofa: that's probably not a correct solution

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xris:

mythtv doesn't support multi-stream signals, anyway.

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psofa:

janneg, i feared so :D

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psofa:

some threading stuff happens?

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_athen:

that`s the whole point of those hw decoders that u find in full featured dvb cards

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psofa:

btw why wasnt i getting a backtrace

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psofa:

:(

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janneg:

I don't think so. the code is probably not robust enough for some kind of error

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psofa:

maybe just skip if the buff is NULL ?

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psofa:

or will that mess up timing things?

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psofa:

so maybe that happens because of bad signal?

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psofa:

though it shouldnt kill myth

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_athen:

GreyFoxx: u can either use their own av out, or you can grab their output (in this case an already demultiplexed ts, basically a ready to play mpeg2 material) and as far as I know that`s what tvtime does thru v4l

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psofa:

janneg, or maybe if the buff is null create a dummy buffer and put that in?

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psofa:

but i should stop because im just speaking out of my ass

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Juski:

dum de dumm de dumm... unpacking xebian mythtv now :-)

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psofa:

?

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psofa:

Juski, are you installing a new distro every day?

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Juski:

psofa: lol

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psofa:

i think you are obsesed :D

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Juski:

this is apparently a ready-rolled xbox mythtv distro

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psofa:

ah nice

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psofa:

how many frontends you got?

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_athen:

GreyFoxx: http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:LdvcScWpw . . . lnk&cd=1

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psofa:

im courious how good would a slave backend work

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psofa:

im running out of pci slots

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MonMotha:

darn, my 1.7GHz P4 is just barely not fast enough to handle HD

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Juski:

lol. how convenient. by default this thing wants to talk to the IP address which just so happens to be my backend's IP

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MonMotha:

if you set up the DB correctly, it'll pull that info from the DB

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MonMotha:

which may be where it got that from

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Juski:

MonMotha: no I've not installed it yet – the default DB ip address is 192.168.1.10 :-)

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MonMotha:

oh, ok

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MonMotha:

my network all runs on weird IP addresses, so I never pay much attention to the defaults

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MonMotha:

that and I haven't actually set up MythTV from scratch in like 2 years

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MonMotha:

my database is kinda klunky at this point... :)

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psofa:

gn all

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MonMotha:

wow..that actually took a few seconds

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Juski:

loading mythtv on me xbox

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Juski:

I wonder if there's a nvidia-settings here

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Juski:

playing a recording now.. that was the most painless mythtv install ever!

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armand:

whats the fun in that

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Juski:

proof of concept

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mwalker74:

hi all, I am trying to get cable channels to work with my pvr-150 w/mplayer

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GreyFoxx:

try #mplayer ?:)

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mwalker74:

i've tried in su mode, i've used ivtv-tune to ry channels, and freqencies

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mwalker74:

I just get the black static, w/colored lines

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mwalker74:

brb

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mwalker74:

back

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mwalker74:

i'm using charter cable, and I used wintv2000 to scan all freqs, and i'm working with one freq 205.250MHz and it works in windows, but not with ivtv-tune and mplayer

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mwalker74:

i'm using ivtv 0.6.2

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tewk:

mdiep:

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tewk:

Can a reduce the size of alreeady recorded shows? ie transcode them to a smaller bit rate?

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MonMotha:

sure

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MonMotha:

set up a profile under "transcoders" in recording profiles, then tell it to transcode your show

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MonMotha:

you can do that from the recorded menu by hitting right (instead of enter) on the recording and selection job options/start transcoding, or you can hit "x" while playing back

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MonMotha:

it'll also apply your cutlist, so you can have it rip out commercials to further save space

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Goose-BA:

i installed .19 how do i set up the initial database?

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xris:

mythtv-setup

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Goose-BA:

so i dont have to run like mysql -u <mc.sql or anythign?

[02:28:09]

Goose-BA:

whats this database folder for with mc.sql in it

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bmk789:

use phpmyadmin, way easier

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bmk789:

to setup the database i mean

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bmk789:

not in myth

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GreyFoxx:

Goose-BA: Thatcreatesthe blank database and creates the sql user

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xris:

Goose-BA: oh, sorry, thought you meant "populate"

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xris:

yeah, mc.sql creates the initial db

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Goose-BA:

so what do i run

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Goose-BA:

cause im getting an error

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Goose-BA:

root@mythtv:/home/packages/mythtv-0.19/database# mysql -u root -p < mc.sql

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Goose-BA:

Enter password:

[02:29:27]

Goose-BA:

ERROR 1064 at line 6: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'DATABASE mythconverg DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1' at line 1

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Goose-BA:

oops

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xris:

Goose-BA: what version of mysql?

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titanium_platypu:

xris: about your comment:

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Goose-BA:

xris: not sure

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titanium_platypu:

(16:51:29) xris: titanium_platypu: you probably just need to set the "record" flag on the audio input interface....

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titanium_platypu:

I'm not sure what you mean, xris. where would I find that?

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xris:

titanium_platypu: alsa mixer

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titanium_platypu:

I already have "capture" on line-in turned on

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xris:

or non-alsa mixer

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titanium_platypu:

is that what yo mean?

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xris:

titanium_platypu: yeah

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xris:

titanium_platypu: you check that your cable is actually plugged in?

[02:31:53]

titanium_platypu:

yeah, I have already done that. and it worked fine before.

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xris:

Goose-BA: mysql --version ?

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titanium_platypu:

yes, I did. And I can get it just fine from other apps like tvtime.

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xris:

titanium_platypu: oh, weird.

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Goose-BA:

mysql Ver 12.22 Distrib 4.0.20, for slackware-linux (i486)

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titanium_platypu:

yeah. any other ideas?

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xris:

Goose-BA: ok, that should be fine

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xris:

titanium_platypu: sorry, none.

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Goose-BA:

any idea what the problem is

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titanium_platypu:

okay, thanks a lot anyway. Can anyone else help me? my MythTV won't capture audio anymore....it worked fine before. It still plays the audio on old recordings, but it won't play audio on live TV or any new recordings. can somebody help me? TIA

[02:33:44]

xris:

Goose-BA: .19 or .19-fixes?

[02:33:49]

Goose-BA:

.19

[02:34:18]

xris:

compiling from source?

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Goose-BA:

yes

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Goose-BA:

it compiled fine

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xris:

might be a good idea to use the fixes branch

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Goose-BA:

i downloaded .19 from the site

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xris:

yeah

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Goose-BA:

i didn't see a fixes

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xris:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . abase/mc.sql

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xris:

it's in subversion

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Goose-BA:

hmm recompile everything

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Goose-BA:

or just replace that mc.sql?

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xris:

for now, just replace the fie

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xris:

file

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xris:

for the future, it's probably a good idea to recompile against the fixes branch so you get bug fixes

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Goose-BA:

hgow do you do that

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Goose-BA:

hmm

[02:36:39]

Goose-BA:

still get an error

[02:36:39]

Goose-BA:

mysql -u root -p < mc.sql Enter password:

[02:36:39]

Goose-BA:

ERROR 1064 at line 1: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '<!DOCTYPE html

[02:36:40]

Goose-BA:

PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

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xris:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac

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xris:

Goose-BA: yeah, you can't wget

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xris:

the file is like 6 lines long.. just copy/paste what you need from the web page

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Goose-BA:

hmm

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Goose-BA:

i pated it and it went back to the original error

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unkn0wn2u:

I justed installed a pvr-150 card and I used to have a v4l device, and now one of my frontends still has the old recording profile (software based) how do I delete that because it doesn't work with that in there

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xris:

unkn0wn2u: you'll always have the old recording profiles... mythtv should be smart enough to use the correct profile for the correct card

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xris:

Goose-BA: but now complaining about "alter table"?

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Goose-BA:

MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'DATABASE mythconverg DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1' at line 1

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unkn0wn2u:

Error getting codec params

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unkn0wn2u:

IVTV_IOC_G_CODEC:: Bad address, it only does this on the one frontend with the wrong profile

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xris:

Goose-BA: ignore it

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xris:

your db probably just doesn't know how to configure character sets.

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xris:

unkn0wn2u: recording profiles are global, have nothing to do with the frontend

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unkn0wn2u:

whoops

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xris:

?

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unkn0wn2u:

I switched mysql servers

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xris:

heh

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m13a8:

hey, do you know of a frame grabber off the top of your head that is supported by mythtv?

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xris:

m13a8: card? pinnacle pctv pro (or anything else that uses the bttv driver)

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m13a8:

do you know how i can identify if a card uses the bttv driver?

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m13a8:

nvm found it

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m13a8:

should have googled before i asked that one

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xris:

:)

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titanium_platypu:

my MythTV won't capture audio anymore....it worked fine before. It still plays the audio on old recordings, but it won't play audio on live TV or any new recordings. can somebody help me? TIA

[03:01:45]

MonMotha:

titanium_platypu: what capture card?

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titanium_platypu:

ATI TV Wonder VE

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titanium_platypu:

it's a cheapy.

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MonMotha:

using btaudio or capturing off a sound card?

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titanium_platypu:

I'm not sure....I'm pulling the audio off of the coaxial cable, then feeding it to the line-in on the sound card through an audio cable that came with the card.

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MonMotha:

that's the normal way to do it

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MonMotha:

is that cable still plugged in?

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MonMotha:

(believe it or not...that's often the problem)

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titanium_platypu:

yeah, I know what you mean. it's plugged in and configured right, because it comes in just fine on other apps, like tvtime.

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Whyvas:

weather plugin isn't working!

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Whyvas:

help

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xris:

:)

[03:39:54]

xris:

:(

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xris:

Whyvas: can you configure it?

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Whyvas:

no

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Whyvas:

it says can't contact blah blah

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xris:

can't connect to what?

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xris:

backend? database?

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Whyvas:

err

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Whyvas:

the website i think

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Whyvas:

it times out

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xris:

should be able to configure it from that point.

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m13a8:

xris: you helped me earlier, and if you have time can you tell me if http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814144306 that would be a decent card, and, aren't the bttv drivers built in to the kernel or will they need to be installed?

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xris:

I don't think it should try to connect if there is no config

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Whyvas:

then asks to go longer, i say yes, it repeats infinetly

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xris:

m13a8: why do you want a frame grabber?

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Whyvas:

config from mythsetup or right in the frontend?

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m13a8:

that one isn't a frame grabber, but i was looking for a frame grabber because i have a fast enough computer to handle realtime encoding

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xris:

Whyvas: config for mythweather

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xris:

m13a8: it certainly is a frame grabber. bt878 chipset is software encode.

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Whyvas:

in the frontend?

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m13a8:

xris: and framegrabbers are usually cheaper and i'm on a budget

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xris:

m13a8: the pvr-150 quality will blow away any framegrabber card out there.

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m13a8:

xris: it's on the bttv list, but on newegg it says it has mpeg2 hardware support

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xris:

m13a8: mpeg2, not hardware

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m13a8:

xris: ah, right, well this is easier to afford for me, and i think my cpu will be able to handle it

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Whyvas:

pvr-250!

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xris:

Whyvas: 150 costs about $30–40 less than the 250, and has better quality filters. not to mention they don't make the 250 anymore.

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xris:

m13a8: what cpu?

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m13a8:

athlon 3400_

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m13a8:

3400+*

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xris:

personally, the quality diff between bttv and pvr-150 is worth the extra $30....

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xris:

byt yeah, your cpu can handle mpeg4 nupplevideo just fine

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Whyvas:

yeah i got this 250 for free

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xris:

I finally just went to digital cable + firewire, though

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Whyvas:

running on a 1.3ghz amd

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xris:

Whyvas: nice deal

[03:47:58]

Whyvas:

384 megs of pc133 ram

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Whyvas:

ohhhh yeah baby

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Whyvas:

120 gig hard drive from work that was screwed with bad sectors that I revived

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Whyvas:

hahaha

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scottder:

fear my 1ghz PIII with 512MB of RAM :)

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scottder:

Whyvas: nothing like revived hardware eh :)

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Whyvas:

oh yeah

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Whyvas:

hdd regenerator is my friend

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Whyvas:

and maxtor low level format

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scottder:

ack don't say the M-word to me right now

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Whyvas:

got the whole thing built right into my coffee table

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scottder:

Oh cool :)

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m13a8:

maxtor?

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Whyvas:

bad sectors?

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scottder:

Yes

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Whyvas:

or clicker

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m13a8:

oh i just love my maxtor ide drive...

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scottder:

dunno what is wrong with it...(it's in my windoze machine)

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scottder:

it's a SATA drive

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scottder:

had a 200Gb die on me as well

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m13a8:

ohhh yea i love my maxtor sata drive too

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Whyvas:

try running hdd regenerator on it

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Whyvas:

http://www.torrentz.com/search_hiren

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Whyvas:

first one

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Whyvas:

greatest boot cd on the planet

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Dagmar:

Hey is 0.19 able to use mySQL 5.0 or is 4.1.x still required?

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scottder:

Whyvas: Interesting

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scottder:

I will have to plug that drive back in and see what I can do

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NightMonkey:

Dagmar: 0.19-fixes has some Mysql 5.X fixes, post 0.19 (for Upcoming Recordings glitches), IIRC

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scottder:

lost a LOT of music...worht rather not have to re-rip CDs if I can avoid it

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NightMonkey:

Dagmar: 0.91.1 is due Real Soon Now (tm), according to mythtv.org.

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NightMonkey:

Dagmar: Some distros already include patches from -fixes in their packages.

[04:04:04]

Dagmar:

Is -fixes a new tarball I didn't notice or something?

[04:04:19]

NightMonkey:

Dagmar: Nah, it's a CVS branch in the MythTV dev tree.

[04:04:26]

Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

I'm going to have to sign onto some of the lists

[04:05:02]

Dagmar:

I'm sure there's got to be a way to run the frontend without a window manager, I'm just overlooking it

[04:05:23]

Dagmar:

It *works*, but when you invoke Mplayer the keyboard basically goes dead because it doesn't actually take focus

[04:05:33]

Dagmar:

...or something loses focus, I don't know which

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NightMonkey:

Dagmar: Do you just want a lightweight WM? Or is "no WM" a requirement for you?

[04:06:25]

Dagmar:

NightMonkey: Since I'm aiming for an appliance function, I'm leaving out the stuff that's not necessarily needed, like KDE

[04:06:54]

NightMonkey:

Dagmar: Have you given Fluxbox a try? I use it, it is really light. No full-KDE or full-GNOME required.

[04:06:57]

Dagmar:

KDE in particular is a pretty hellishly large dependency just to get a browser

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NightMonkey:

Dagmar: You'll still need qt around, however, as that's a MythTV dependency.

[04:07:32]

Dagmar:

Yeah, that I know

[04:07:45]

Dagmar:

Qt even has to be built *after* MySQL. :)

[04:08:29]

Dagmar:

I'll probably use Blackbox instead of Fluxbox if I have to use a WM, but I'm trying to avoid using a WM just to get around things which should probably work without one

[04:08:50]

Dagmar:

...the reason being I already have a build script for Blackbox

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NightMonkey:

Dagmar: Yep. I don't use my myth box for much more than MythTV (i.e. it is not a desktop, so it is like an "appliance"). Fluxbox really fit the bill for me. Blackbox would work good, too.

[04:09:55]

Dagmar:

Maybe in 19.1 the metadata editor for the video player will stop being useless

[04:11:22]

NightMonkey:

Dagmar: Check the changelog on the wiki.

[04:12:04]

NightMonkey:

Dagmar: Or, in Trac – more up-to-date.

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Dagmar:

Bummer. I don't see anything mentioning it

[04:13:19]

Dagmar:

It seems like either the video has to be listed in imdb or all those fields are useless

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Whyvas:

xris, message says unable to contact your server in time

[04:15:33]

Whyvas:

and in the console, the message says invalid area id or whatever

[04:15:49]

Whyvas:

I never configured it, so I am assuming that's all that's missing

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xris:

Whyvas: should be a way to go to the configuration screen at that point

[04:16:02]

Whyvas:

it doesn't let me

[04:16:11]

Whyvas:

just keeps coming up with a larger timeout

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Whyvas:

do you know where the config file is for mythweather?

[04:16:48]

Whyvas:

i think after a manual edit it'll fire up

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xris:

it's in the database

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Whyvas:

ah

[04:17:02]

xris:

or maybe frontend -> setup -> weather

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Whyvas:

crud

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xris:

maybe the config got split out

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xris:

I haven't used mythweather in like 2 years

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Whyvas:

ah

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Dagmar:

I live in a place where not paying attention to the weather is not such a good idea. :)

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xris:

I just don't use mythweather

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xris:

I have weather in my gnome panel, my google homepage and in mythweb

[04:22:12]

xris:

my frontend is used for watching recordings and not much else

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PiranhaP:

Can somebody help me figure out why I can't tune with a PVR150. dmesg reports the tuner as "<unknown> (idx = 112, type = 4)". I've read all the forums, and set "options tuner=50". I can tune with ivtv-tune, but mythtv still remains on this crazy mexican channel.

[05:14:47]

MonMotha:

huh, my ALSA seems to have broken itself (globally, not just in MythTV)...OSS emu works fine though

[05:18:03]

Dagmar:

MonMotha: Which card?

[05:22:14]

MonMotha:

sb live

[05:22:27]

MonMotha:

it's complaining about missing files/device nodes, but they all appear to be there

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xris:

can someone verify that this still works? https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport

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xris:

(migrating webservers)

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MonMotha:

page loads

[05:25:00]

m13a8:

loads for me too

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Dagmar:

MonMotha: Very odd indeed

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xris:

cool

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DeltaF:

Anyone try to run MythTV under a guest OS in VMWare?

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xris:

pondered it in xen, but it won't work with 3.0

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DeltaF:

Theoretically possible for tuner capture if I got enough CPU power?

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xris:

DeltaF: and hardware support

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MonMotha:

DeltaF: I can't imagine it would be fnu

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MonMotha:

fun

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MonMotha:

you'd need VMWare support for your tuner, which, to my knowledge, doesnt' exist

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DeltaF:

I'm just worried that the realtime data will be too much. Perhaps because I've only used VMWare in Windows..

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DeltaF:

Really? Is that how it works?

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DeltaF:

I thought it could detect it if the host OS could drive it

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MonMotha:

no

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DeltaF:

My alternative is Host OS as Myth box AND VMware

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DeltaF:

But I wanted to vm as much as possible to keep the host OS super light

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MonMotha:

linux needs to see the tuner in some way that it can handle. With vmware, that would require v4l support for a vmware tuner device, but I don't think vmware supports that

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xris:

DeltaF: no, you need vmware-aware drivers for most stuff

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MonMotha:

IIRC, vmware doesn't support passing raw PCI accesses

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MonMotha:

that would probably confuse the host OS, too

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DeltaF:

OK then. Very helpful info – thanks.

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Dagmar:

MonMotha: Very odd indeed

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MonMotha:

so in the amount of time I've been messing around with Win98 on this one machine to copy some files over to the DOS partition, I could have installed Linux, copied things over, and removed it again

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m13a8:

lol

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m13a8:

technology's great until it decides to rebel

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MonMotha:

well, I need to see if I can get my network card in it working in DOS complete with lanman

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MonMotha:

(and yes, I have a reason to be running DOS)

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m13a8:

i was gonna say, you jumped back a decade or so on us

[07:06:04]

m13a8:

maybe more? who's to tell i wasn't yet alive when dos was in use

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MonMotha:

oh I used plenty of DOS machines

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MonMotha:

I just have some old games I want to play

[07:08:28]

MonMotha:

though I could try dosemu, I guess

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m13a8:

kool

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MonMotha:

and of course freedos

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** MonMotha looks for a copy of MSDOS6.22 **

[07:15:17]

MonMotha:

awesome, I have images laying around

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MonMotha:

I have a legit copy...somewhere

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m13a8:

kool

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MonMotha:

I think this is the most use my floppy drive has gotten all year

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m13a8:

lol, yea i don't think my floppy drive is even recognized with linux, or it is and not plugged in or something lol

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MonMotha:

mine works find

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MonMotha:

fine

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MonMotha:

heck, I have machines with two floppy drives (3.5" and 5.25"), both still work just fine in linux

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m13a8:

i can't find much use for mine, but i really needed one bad one time, but it was a beige floppy and and a black comp case so i colored the floppy drive in with a sharpie

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m13a8:

looks like it needs a touch up...

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MonMotha:

haha

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MonMotha:

you could just remove it

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m13a8:

well, ya never know when it might come in handy

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m13a8:

i'm goin to bed, i'll cya later

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hashbang:

morning, all

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null:

Hello. Is a 2.5" harddisk fast enough for MythTV?

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UBL:

laptop hdd ?

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UBL:

yea

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null:

fast enough for a system where I have timeshifting + maybe a second channel that is recording?

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UBL:

i dont know. i have one in a frontend working ok

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null:

ok

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UBL:

normal size hdd wont fit in the case?

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null:

it's too loud

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Dagmar:

Notebook drives, on the other hand...

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UBL:

run a backend somewhere else and have another diskless frontend if you got the $$

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qu0zl:

null, a 2.5"inch harddisk is fine for a couple of sdtv streams anyway. I don't normal about hdtv ones

[09:03:52]

qu0zl:

don't know even

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Dagmar:

THey tend to be 5400RPM, so you can kinda expect themto be about that much slower than the typical 7200 RPM disk

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qu0zl:

i think they're better suited to mythtv boxes. they're quieter and you can put them into suspend mode as often as you want safely. without burning them out :)

[09:04:47]

Dagmar:

Typically they're going to top out at about 16Mb/s

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qu0zl:

sdtv again tho, i don't know hdtv

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null:

qu0zl: well, I'm not getting hdtv for years..

[09:05:06]

Dagmar:

...but you can get them faster than the one I've got wedged into this firewall box

[09:05:27]

qu0zl:

then you'd be fine with a laptop drive

[09:05:40]

qu0zl:

only problem is a really big one costs a fortune :))

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null:

qu0zl: ok... I have a spare laptop drive anyway :)

[09:06:26]

qu0zl:

the 3 1/2 inch hd i use in my pvr is the only sound i can hear :( but all the 2 1/2 inch drives I have are 40 gig

[09:06:33]

qu0zl:

which won't do me :(

[09:07:01]

Dagmar:

You do realize that you don't have to have all the equipment in the same place

[09:07:10]

qu0zl:

i don't want to run another machine Dagmar

[09:07:30]

qu0zl:

that;s more expense

[09:07:42]

qu0zl:

i've come to terms with the sound of a 3 1/2 inch drive. it's not that bad :)

[09:07:43]

null:

well, I have only a 20 Gig harddrive. This should be enough for a buffer? I plan to move finished recordings to an NFS drive with 1.5TB...

[09:07:48]

Dagmar:

Well, there's fast, quiet, cheap. You may pick ONLY TWO

[09:07:53]

qu0zl:

hehe

[09:08:13]

Dagmar:

Don't come to us and pout because you want all three

[09:08:42]

qu0zl:

shrug, i have all three. a 3 1/2 inch hd is pretty quiet, and it's a heat pipe case so it's fanless

[09:08:53]

Dagmar:

20Gb should be enough for a buffer, yeah.

[09:08:54]

qu0zl:

some day i'll spring for a laptop hd :)

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null:

Dagmar: ok.

[09:09:13]

Dagmar:

Unless you're recording HD, 20Gb can last most of the day

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null:

Dagmar: I have a PVR500, so streams shouldn't be that large..

[09:09:29]

Dagmar:

Oh yeah the default quality on that is about 1Gb per hour

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qu0zl:

about 2 gigs an hour null

[09:09:37]

Dagmar:

You're good for at least 12 hours non-stop

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null:

well, that's quite enough =)

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qu0zl:

2.2 gigs an hour on my pvr 500, but i have pretty high quality settings , so Dags probably right about 1gig an hour decent

[09:10:32]

Dagmar:

Yeah the default 4500/6000 setting amount to 2.2gb/hour I think

[09:10:42]

Dagmar:

I only use that one for Live TV and high quality recordings.

[09:11:02]

Dagmar:

For "just stuff" I drop it to only 2/3 of that

[09:11:28]

Dagmar:

Now what we need is a card that does native DivX/XviD

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null:

hehe

[09:11:39]

null:

or native H264 ;)

[09:11:52]

Dagmar:

I don't need the pain of trying to get the h264 codec working

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doktoreas:

morning to all!

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MonMotha:

I'd settle for a good hardware MPEG4/2/1 (including MPEG4/AVC) decoder that supports HD

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psynautic:

hey folks, im having trouble finding help with lirc

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doktoreas:

i am first installing mythtv to play dvd and upscale them...is thi possible?

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psynautic:

im not sure about that

[09:20:24]

psynautic:

mythtv uses mplayer to play dvd's

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psynautic:

so if mmplayer can upscale them, it should be able to

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contingencyplan:

could somebody help me set up mythtv under Gentoo?

[09:21:49]

psynautic:

does anyone know what lirc driver im supposed to use for the remote control that comes packaged with pvr500 mce kit

[09:22:03]

psynautic:

contingency what is ur issue?

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psofa:

hey janneg i saw the ticket.Can i do anything else to test why /when this happens?

[09:23:01]

psynautic:

im currently watchinig and recording trigun on a gentoo mythtv setup i just finished today

[09:24:04]

doktoreas:

nice.. i am a gentoo user too ;)

[09:24:13]

doktoreas:

now i need to bought a tv card

[09:24:19]

doktoreas:

any idea ?

[09:25:11]

contingencyplan:

psynautic, ah, finally – someone who can help :). Gimme a second.

[09:25:12]

psynautic:

i got the pvr 500

[09:25:29]

psynautic:

seems pretty nice, bit pricey tho

[09:25:33]

doktoreas:

the matter that i don't understand, is that i need a card to see sat

[09:25:45]

psynautic:

ahh direct tv?

[09:26:14]

doktoreas:

i got a decoder with sky card

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doktoreas:

can i see it with mytv?

[09:26:32]

psynautic:

likely

[09:26:48]

psynautic:

does it use v4l drivers?

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contingencyplan:

psynautic, well, I'm using http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV to set it up./

[09:27:12]

contingencyplan:

You'll have to give me some time, since I'm still updating mysql to the latest version.

[09:27:22]

psynautic:

ok

[09:27:30]

psynautic:

is this ur first time thru?

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psynautic:

or are u trying to troubleshoot a problem?

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contingencyplan:

first time through.

[09:30:09]

contingencyplan:

it seems to be a problem with QT opening the database.

[09:30:19]

contingencyplan:

seeing what the use flags were when I built qt.

[09:30:51]

contingencyplan:

psynautic, yeah, it was built using the mysql flags. that's not the problem then.

[09:30:55]

psynautic:

did u build qt before? or did it build as a dependency for mysql

[09:31:09]

contingencyplan:

trying to figure out how to get the output where I can pastebin it.

[09:31:35]

contingencyplan:

qt was built a while back. it was built with the "mysql" use flag, so the problem shouldn't be lack of mysql support within qt.

[09:31:44]

contingencyplan:

h/o – lemme see if I can get this output where you can read it.

[09:31:51]

psynautic:

ok

[09:32:04]

psynautic:

haha mr. t is on tv in cartoon form

[09:32:35]

Dagmar:

contingencyplan: Is it complaining about a lack of response from QSQLQuery?

[09:33:26]

Dagmar:

(not sure if the last part of that function name is correct, I didn't write it down yesterday)

[09:34:14]

contingencyplan:

Dagmar, think so.

[09:36:18]

contingencyplan:

Dagmar, psynautic – http://pastebin.com/750917

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contingencyplan:

that's what it spits out when I run mythtv-setup

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Dagmar:

Dingdingding

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Dagmar:

Your sql linkage in Qt is broken

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contingencyplan:

Dagmar, so what should I do? Recompile qt?

[09:38:10]

Dagmar:

That is EXACTLY what I was seeing yesterday when I screwed up and built Qt before MySQL.

[09:38:21]

Dagmar:

You're using MySQL 4.1.x and not 5.x, right?

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contingencyplan:

Ah, interesting. So build MySQL first, then Qt?

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Dagmar:

I don't know how solid the 5.x support is

[09:38:29]

Dagmar:

Yes.

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contingencyplan:

indeed, sir

[09:38:34]

psynautic:

yea, i would unmerge both qt and sql

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contingencyplan:

compiling 4.1.19

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Dagmar:

...and you'll need to make a symlink for libmysqlclient because the Qt makefiles aren't very bright

[09:38:53]

psynautic:

and delete the var directory for mysql

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contingencyplan:

unmerge both? I'm in the middle of recompiling / updating mysql.

[09:39:00]

contingencyplan:

psynautic, okay

[09:39:04]

psynautic:

=)

[09:39:14]

contingencyplan:

Dagmar, where do I symlink it to?

[09:39:26]

contingencyplan:

And finally, why wasn't this in the documentation? :-P

[09:39:29]

Dagmar:

cd /usr/lib ; ln -s mysql/*.so* .

[09:39:46]

Dagmar:

Well, people are kinda expected to be able to spot these little things when they crop up

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contingencyplan:

ah, gotcha.

[09:39:55]

dscoular:

Just wondering, is this anything to worry about, with 0.19-fixes svn: audio waiting for space on soundcard: have 1444 need 4096

[09:39:59]

contingencyplan:

Dagmar, well, I had no idea where to look for this.

[09:39:59]

Dagmar:

...or be using other people's packages which work (and are generally less trouble)

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psynautic:

not sure dscoular

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contingencyplan:

gotcha.

[09:40:19]

Dagmar:

Well, I didn't "know" where to look. I sorted it out very painfully while building Qt three times and MySQL five

[09:40:25]

contingencyplan:

psynautic, `emerge -C mysql qt`

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contingencyplan:

Dagmar, ka-oomph. ouch.

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Dagmar:

...although some of those MySQL builds were strictly to be perfectly complete about the correctness of the package I was building

[09:40:45]

dscoular:

sound is perfect but these are flooding my mythfrontend.log

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contingencyplan:

psynautic, will that command work?

[09:40:57]

Dagmar:

It shold

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contingencyplan:

k

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contingencyplan:

just wanted to make sure before I borkeden my whole system in deep-fried chocolate.

[09:41:32]

Dagmar:

Unless they've done something to alter where Qt is looking for libmysqlclient tho it will not-quite-silently fail to build the sql stub

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Dagmar:

See, this is where formal packaging comes in handy.

[09:42:04]

Dagmar:

You build the package, then you install the package, because you can easily remove a properly built package

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contingencyplan:

hrm. true, though I still prefer gentoo – it usually gets most of the stuff right.

[09:42:21]

psynautic:

i used to run slack

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Dagmar:

You might want to make a log of the build of Qt so you can go back and look at it

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psynautic:

and it was nice to be in total controll

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Dagmar:

Lemme see if I retained the log of one of the broken Qt builds I made

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psynautic:

but, seriously some of these things with 30 dependencies

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psynautic:

thats for the birds

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psynautic:

emerge is where its at

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Dagmar:

Bleh. nah I didn't

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speedsix:

Hi all

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psynautic:

dscouler , did u say ur using svn pack?

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psynautic:

yo speed

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null:

Does mythtv support teletext?

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contingencyplan:

psynautic, yeah – I've dealt with slack a bit. drove me insane.

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Dagmar:

psynautic: I prefer to do the stuff myself so that if it shatters into a jillion pieces, at least I only have myself to blame

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contingencyplan:

I begged my quasi-boss to let me use gentoo. After I explained that if we're gonna be compiling everything from source, I'd much rather be doing it using gentoo, he agreed. I'm happy now.

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Dagmar:

...and at this point, there's literally no build problems I can fix

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Dagmar:

Oh just you wait until your QA people get their hands on you

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Dagmar:

:)

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speedsix:

Anyone much experience with transcode (not mythtranscode), I'm trying to convert some recordings and it's not playing nice

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psynautic:

no exp, sorry speed

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Dagmar:

By the way, the huge hint was in line 2 of the pastebin... "QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded"

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contingencyplan:

Dagmar, gotcha.

[09:45:39]

psynautic:

any of yall have any idea what the driver is u need to get the packed in MCE remote wiht pvr 500 to work with lirc

[09:45:40]

dscoular:

psynautic, I'm using 0.19-fixes from svn.mythtv.org

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contingencyplan:

Dagmar, so why do you say wait until the QA people get ahold of me?

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Dagmar:

psynautic: lirc's script doesn' tknow?

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Dagmar:

contingencyplan: They're going to ask what happens when you need to upgrade something,

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Juski:

afternoon

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dscoular:

good evening

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Dagmar:

contingencyplan: That particular thing is the number one most likely place for the process to turn to slag unless you've got documented scripts that make the build of newer code literally foolproof

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Juski:

funny that's what everyone said when I got in late this morning ;-)

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contingencyplan:

Dagmar, how so?

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contingencyplan:

Dagmar, okay, so now I compile mysql first, right?

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psynautic:

its flippin 545am here

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contingencyplan:

heh – I should be in bed, but I'm not.

[09:47:13]

psynautic:

i got my myth recording at 330

[09:47:28]

psynautic:

i thought id just stay up till i got my remote to work

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Dagmar:

contingencyplan: Let's take suexec in Apache for example... You build it correctly, it works, everyone's happy. A year or two later you need to upgrade, and someone else does it or you do it and *forget* about the options you needed to make suexec work properly in your environment. Suddenly a whole host of new problems develop just because of that one undocumented detail

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Dagmar:

contingencyplan: yeah. You need mysql installed first.

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** Juski was up til 3.30 am tweaking xebian mythtv on his xbox **

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Dagmar:

Then either make the symlinks to that mysql's shared libs appear in /usr/lib instead of *just* in /usr/lib/mysqld, or hope that your Gentoo script for Qt has a patch to make it look in /usr/lib/libmysql for them, because it doesn't in the plain vanilla source

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psynautic:

this mister T cartooon is assanine

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Dagmar:

...cuz like I said, Qt's makefile will just whimper a bit and not build the mysql stub if it can't find those libs. It will *not* stop and throw an error like you might expect (and I was expecting)

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Juski:

I cheated when I was trying to use svn on gentoo – I emerged mythtv to get all the dependencies sorted, then unmerged just mythtv, then built the source myself. worked ok

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psynautic:

i had to compile one of the dumb dependencies by hand

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psynautic:

libdts

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Merlin83b:

50€ you paid including shipping, Juski? Got it working yet?

[09:54:11]

Juski:

Merlin83b: to get it working I first need to receive it

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Merlin83b:

Still not got it? Thought it arrived yesterday?

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Juski:

no, I _hoped_ it would arrive yesterday

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Merlin83b:

Oh :<

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Merlin83b:

Not got a tracking number or anything?

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Dagmar:

psynautic: You have fancy speakers then?

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Juski:

and even if it arrives today I won't be home til after 7pm

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Merlin83b:

:

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Merlin83b:

<

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Juski:

Merlin83b: I asked for a tracking number, and it seems it's bogus :-/

[09:55:37]

Merlin83b:

Oh dear, not encouraging.

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Merlin83b:

How did you pay?

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Juski:

had that before

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Juski:

paypal

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** Juski isn't daft **

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Merlin83b:

Didn't think you would be :-)

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Juski:

seller has 100% feedback anyway. more likely he read the wrong bit of the shipping doc

[09:58:03]

Juski:

at least that's what I keep telling myself ;-)

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Dagmar:

Check the text of his feedbacks

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Juski:

that xebian on the xbox isn't bad mind you

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Juski:

Dagmar: I did that too

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Dagmar:

A lot of variations on "Excellent seller A++++++" are a bad sign. ;)

[09:58:44]

Juski:

those Germans are wordy

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Juski:

compared to the feedbacks I've received.. "gt ebyr"

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Dagmar:

I like to leave things like "The best weaponized neurotoxins I've ever gotten through eBay" if they pester me about remembering to leave feedback

[10:00:20]

Dagmar:

Sometimes I remember. Sometimes I don't.

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MonMotha:

I tend to buy weird things on ebay

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MonMotha:

after the ordeal is over, both people usually remember to leave feedback

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psynautic:

i think im giving up on this remote control nonsense for the night

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psynautic:

errr. morning

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psynautic:

maybe get 3 hours of sleep before work

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psynautic:

=)

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Juski:

it pissed me off when I was selling vinyl off & folks were asking to call round to collect a record rather than pay £1.50 postage

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speedsix:

damn you transcode, damn you to hell >:(

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speedsix:

the umbongo transcode is broke and I will accept no other answer

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speedsix:

;)

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MonMotha:

Juski: 1.5 I'd pay, what some ebay sellers charge...

[10:02:32]

speedsix:

computers hate me today

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MonMotha:

then again, I'm probably going to spend about $50USD to pick my latest ebay acquisition up

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speedsix:

I'm going to sulk now

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MonMotha:

but compared to the cost of shipping it, that's nothing

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Juski:

MonMotha: if ebay & paypal taxed postage costs, they'd come down to sensible levels

[10:03:28]

Dagmar:

Well, if they required actual shipping reciepts be furnished it would also change things

[10:03:43]

Dagmar:

There's a lot of companies that are just looking to make money off the shipping because it means less money to pay to ebay

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MonMotha:

Juski: indeed, though I actually got the quote to ship my latest thing

[10:03:59]

MonMotha:

NAVL wanted $349

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Juski:

eh? what was that for?

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MonMotha:

an arcade cabinet :)

[10:04:18]

MonMotha:

empty, but still big

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

and heavy

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speedsix:

Can anyone suggest why transcode is throwing up this error everytime I try to use the ffmpeg plugin? (dl_loader.c) loading "/usr/lib/transcode/export_ffmpeg.so failed

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Merlin83b:

£3,100.00

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Merlin83b:

Reserve not met

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** Merlin83b hates reserves. **

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MonMotha:

Juski: without the monitor, they get surprisingly light,a ctually

[10:05:21]

Merlin83b:

Just put the starting price on what you want for it!

[10:05:22]

MonMotha:

though this still has the isolation xformer in it

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MonMotha:

(which I don't need, but I'll shelve it anyway)

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Juski:

hea-vy

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dscoular:

Does /usr/lib/transcode/export_ffmpeg.so exist ?

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Juski:

speedsix: no idea

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MonMotha:

yeah, but not too bad. Less than the monitor itself

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speedsix:

dscoular yes it does

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dscoular:

speedsix, what distro ?

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speedsix:

ubuntu

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speedsix:

line before that error is /usr/lib/transcode/export_ffmpeg.so: undefined symbol: dts_init

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Juski:

umbongo

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dscoular:

speedsix, your ffmpeg doesn't match your transcode

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dscoular:

speedsix, or you are missing a dts library

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dscoular:

speedsix i'd remove ffmpeg and transcode and re-apt get

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speedsix:

hmm both should be from umbongo repos but i'll try reinstalling ffmpeg

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dscoular:

speedsix, failing that I'd just make it from source.

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speedsix:

lots of dependancies tho :|

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dscoular:

speedsix, that just makes it more fun

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speedsix:

we seem to have different definitions of fun ;)

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dscoular:

true

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speedsix:

what is the undefind symbol dts_init about?

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Dagmar:

You can typically put a cat o' nine tails *down* and walk away from it

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dscoular:

speedsix, let me research...

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Dagmar:

ffmpeg probably trying to link in it's own private copy of libdts and screwing it up

[10:11:38]

Dagmar:

mpeg4ip, faac, and faad2 are cursed in the manner that only true sadists can appreciate

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Dagmar:

ffmpeg is pretty close to it

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speedsix:

is the "undefined symbol" dts_init maybe stopping it loading the ffmpeg plugin?

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dscoular:

speedsix, I'd file a bug with ubuntu

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dscoular:

speedsix, yes

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speedsix:

ok thanks

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qu0zl:

speedsix, if you just want to transcode a file you could give vlc (videolan.org) a go

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qu0zl:

it's got very got transcode support for mpeg2/4

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speedsix:

ok will have a look

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dscoular:

speedsix, http://mm.isu.edu/pipermail/islug/2006-February/003500.html mentions this same problem

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speedsix:

dscoularhow did you find that ;)

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dscoular:

It's this new thing called google

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speedsix:

you obviously have a updated lib-google ;)

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dscoular:

what is it that you are trying to do with transcode anyway ;)

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speedsix:

Icouldn't find squat

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dscoular:

my query was "dts_init ubuntu"

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speedsix:

mpeg ts > dvd complaint mpeg

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dscoular:

doesn't nuvexport get you there ?

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speedsix:

I remember I gave up on that for some reason

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dscoular:

There's also http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.19

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speedsix:

Tried that, couldn't get mpeg2desc to work atall

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dscoular:

What version of myth

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speedsix:

latest trunk

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speedsix:

I wanted to learn how to use transcode really but obviously it has problems on umbongo

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dscoular:

why would you run latest trunk and expect anything to work ?

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dscoular:

stable is svn 0.19-fixes

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speedsix:

myth works great, and someone may have upgraded his db schema by mistake <blush smiley>

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dscoular:

ah... a problem of your their own making

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speedsix:

indeed

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dscoular:

If you are using then mytharchive may be an option

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speedsix:

tired that aswell, fails with some obscure error

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dscoular:

I'm sure you can acheive what you need with mencoder, vlc or projectx

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speedsix:

yeah I can do it with project x, just wanted to streamline it a bit and learn transcoder

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dscoular:

As I said I'd just compile transcode by hand.

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speedsix:

ok, when I'm feeling up to it :)

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dscoular:

You are right, transcode is the most complete tool for the job methinks

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dscoular:

Larry Wall's configure is usually excellent at sorting out the dependancies

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speedsix:

What's that?

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dscoular:

configure is a shell script that was originally written by Larry Wall (who wrote perl) to determine dependancies across o/s. It's evolved a lot and is not autoconf and automake.

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dscoular:

Nearly all source depends on it to make them work across distros and platforms

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dscoular:

s/not autoconf/now autoconf/

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hashbang:

dscoular: phew.

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hashbang:

dscoular: I was beginning to think I understood autoconf/automake even less than I thought I did. :-/

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dscoular:

autoconf/automake are complex and powerfull tools

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speedsix:

hmm umbongo dapper has been released

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speedsix:

tbh I dread the though of starting again with a newer distro version

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qu0zl:

speedsix, you can probably just apt-get dist-upgrade from breezy to dapper

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qu0zl:

and keep using your old kernel so you don't need to recompile modules

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speedsix:

I could do with a clean out tbh, this has kinda been a learning install ;)

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Juski:

do any xebian users here know how to make recorded programmes start playing more quickly? Loading time is a bit long at the moment

[10:38:24]

Juski:

d'oh. Why don't I just try mounting the recordings directory over NFS...

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Dagmar:

...or local disks.

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DGnome:

Heyho, Anybody ever seen the purple-ish overlay color come through a video with a width over 1536 pixels with ATI hardware and kernel radeon driver?

[10:45:01]

DGnome:

everyhting after 1536th pixelcolumn is purple...

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speedsix:

Juski have you seen umbongo dapper has just been released

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psofa:

Juski, do you know if theres sth like the myth distro for epia boards but for broader hardware?

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Dagmar:

I'm just wondering why one would wish to display a video in a resolution quite that high

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Darthy:

hi all

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Dagmar:

The eyes aren't exactly likely to notice the difference between 1600 and 1280

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Dagmar:

...it might be a viable solution just to drop the rest

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Darthy:

can someone tell me which frequencies to input on mythtv-setup to search for channels on astra dvb-S ?

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Dagmar:

er res to 1400 on a widescreen ot 1280 on 4x3 and then just passively check Google for a bugfix every few years when ATI releases a driver update

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Dagmar:

Darthy: Tried http://www.google.com/search?q=astra+dvb-S+frequencies ?

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Darthy:

astra 19 = 12551500 Vertical 22000000 ?? could this be correct?

[10:55:38]

Darthy:

do i have to add some zeros ?

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Darthy:

i read something on a forum

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Dagmar:

Hint: Add "MythTV" to the query

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Dagmar:

You'll likely have it in one round

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dscoular:

Anyone else getting: audio waiting for space on soundcard: have 1512 need 4096 for DVB-T streams on mythfrontend ?

[10:59:14]

Darthy:

k.. found it

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Darthy:

but the log tells me it is skipping a whole bunch.. coz its already in the transponder list.. but i deleted the chans in the db manually

[11:00:33]

Darthy:

so.. howto delete all channel/transponder data in the db?

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hashbang:

psofa: mythdora?

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psofa:

hashbang, i suppose it has to do with redhat?

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psofa:

bleh!

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hashbang:

it's fedora with mythtv built-in

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hashbang:

psofa: what don't you like about Fedora/RH?

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psofa:

rpm's

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psofa:

:)

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hashbang:

specifically?

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psofa:

dependancy hell

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hashbang:

1) use yum

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hashbang:

2) stick to quality repositories

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psofa:

i havent used fc since fc2 but i was so mad at it i wont ever try it again :P

[11:05:32]

hashbang:

3) don't install RPMs from other distros, or other versions of the distro you're using.

[11:05:45]

Darthy:

hmm.. i get "no lock" while sacnning.. though szap has a lock.. what to do? can i set saome tuning timouts?

[11:06:26]

psofa:

hashbang, thats correct but usually i couldnt find some packages in the official reps

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hashbang:

psofa: sure, but freshrpms and dag are pretty good quality and cover most important packages.

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hashbang:

psofa: failing that, learn to build your own RPMs

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Darthy:

while scanning i always get: 2006-06–01 15:11:55.551 DVB#0 WARNING – Symbol Rate setting (27500) is out of range (min/max:1000000/45000000)

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Darthy:

and on the setup screen: status=no lock

[11:13:23]

Darthy:

i have installed the debian package of mythtv-backend.. should i update to the latest version?

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janneg:

psofa: can you please post the backend log with "record,channel,file,libav,siparser" and the error?

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psofa:

janneg, lemme recompile a clean mythtv

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psofa:

janneg, what do you mean "and the error?"

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Darthy:

do i need any patches for dvb and myth0.19 ? i just saw a bunch of older dvb patches from jan-2005

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janneg:

psofa: ok, can you attach the log excerpt to ticket 1887?

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psofa:

ok

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dscoular:

Darthy, use 0.19-fixes from svn

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janneg:

psofa: I'm not really awake. It does not need to be the complete log. An excerpt starting just before the last channel switch is fine.

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psofa:

kk

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Darthy:

where are the 0.19 patches? somewhere around http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv ?

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janneg:

makomk: I thought the race is in PAT creation, not in playback. Is your recording complete? Or does it stop shortly after the mythfrontend crash while playing with mplayer or something similar?

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Juski:

wwhat the heck is mythmovietime?

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Juski:

never mind

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makomk:

janneg: it's possible I'm suffering from a similar but subtly different bug; I get a crash about mid-way through the recording.

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Juski:

hey scopeuk

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dscoular:

Darthy, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ tells you how to use svn to copy out the latest stable 0.19-fixes svn

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dscoular:

Darth, svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-19-fixes/mythtv

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dscoular:

Darthy, once checked out you can keep the sources up to date by simply running "svn update" in the checked out directory.

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janneg:

makomk: then are #1887 and 1872 probably not related

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makomk:

janneg: not sure, possibly. My problem's definitely closer to #1887 (the recording was complete; seeking past the broken bit allowed me to watch the rest).

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Darthy:

dscoular > thanx. though im used to svn. but another question. i checked out mythtv sources from the trunk. is that ok with the patches from branches ?

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Darthy:

ahh..k thanx .. above link describes all

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Juski:

hi Darthy. Did you get your card working at last then?

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Juski:

oh – incase you pvr500 folks missed it: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=

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Darthy:

hi juski

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Darthy:

nop

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Darthy:

:/

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Darthy:

not yet

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Darthy:

i switched the board+proz (elitegroup p4vxad + p4–1.5ghz)

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Darthy:

but the same prob.. while scanning it shows up: no lock!

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Darthy:

the same for the frontend while viewing tv

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Juski:

I hope you mean the card's frontend, not mythfrontend

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Darthy:

i had the debian package installed for backend (0.19.20060121–2).. im just building from branch 0.19-fixes

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Juski:

because if you've not had a successful scan there's no way you can watch tv

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Darthy:

i meant mythfrontend

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Darthy:

sure.. i thought so

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Juski:

that was an exercise in futility then ;-)

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Darthy:

i dont understand that.. coz szap gives me a lock

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Darthy:

:)

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Juski:

anyway – if you've not yet taken this up with the v4l dvb guys it's high time you did

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Juski:

what card model is it again?

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Darthy:

dont you think it could be the debian version of mythbackend ?

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Juski:

mythbackend has nothing to do with scanning

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Darthy:

coz szap works

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Darthy:

and dvbsnoop gives me good information

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Juski:

szap works but you couldn't watch anything using it

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Darthy:

yes.. thats true

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Juski:

you need to get that sorted out first

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Darthy:

hmm.. anyway.. i think it couldnt be bad to build against the latest 0-19-fixes sources

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Juski:

did you try cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > test.mpg

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Juski:

then playing the resulting file?

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Juski:

mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 might not have worked for a weird reason

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scopeuk:

hi juski

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scopeuk:

sorry wasent payingattentin waseating lol

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dscoular:

Darthy, are you remembering to run szap with the -r flag ?

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titanium_platypu:

hey....is the data for previously-made recordings in the database "mythconverg" with everything else?

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Juski:

titanium_platypu: _everything_ is in the DB

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scopeuk:

except that acctuall video files

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titanium_platypu:

okay, thanks muchly.

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titanium_platypu:

err

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titanium_platypu:

so, as long as I back up the video files, I can back everything else up by doing a mysqldump of mythconverg?

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scopeuk:

prety much

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scopeuk:

although youll need any config fles you ahve for things like xml tv

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titanium_platypu:

okay, thanks

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titanium_platypu:

all right

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titanium_platypu:

appreciated

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Juski:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GP2X-with-Accessories-M . . . cmdZViewItem

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scopeuk:

sweet

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scopeuk:

reacon you oculd get a front end going on it (i know it whould need porting)

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psofa:

janneg, im gonna post all the log ( its just 2 channel changes instead of one

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Juski:

they've come down in price a bit

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scopeuk:

jsut a little

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scopeuk:

not "that much" though

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scopeuk:

wernt they 30 at release

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Juski:

it'd need qt porting across :-/

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DrNickRiviera:

anyone got any experience with noflushd and journaled filesystems?

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psofa:

janneg, done

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b8zs:

do i need to run an X server on my mythv backend?

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b8zs:

looks like the config process is done via a GUI?

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scopeuk:

juski maby a light front end like the guy used with the palm top

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scopeuk:

it has to be installed

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scopeuk:

but it doesent have to run

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hashbang:

scopeuk: a mate from the local LUG has had a GP2x for a while. It's all nice in theory, but there are plenty of rough edges.

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scopeuk:

yeh i bet

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Juski:

b8zs: what scopeuk said. you need to at least have X installed

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b8zs:

for the backend?

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b8zs:

doesnt make much sense

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scopeuk:

configuration is done in x

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scopeuk:

and it need qt instaled i belvie

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b8zs:

my backend box has some wacky S3 graphics card im not sure i can even run with vesa

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scopeuk:

ive ran myth on an s3 verge

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scopeuk:

it will cope

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b8zs:

i was under the assumption that my frontend was the only box that needed a graphical environment

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b8zs:

am I going to be forwarding X sessions from my backend to my frontend?

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hashbang:

b8zs: you can setenv $DISPLAY to be the FE before running mythtv-setup on the BE

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hashbang:

b8zs: but the forwarding is only for the setup.

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b8zs:

ok good

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b8zs:

wierd that the setup *has* to be graphical

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b8zs:

what about ncurses

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scopeuk:

there are a whole fook load of options

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scopeuk:

doing ing it from cli whould be even more bewildering

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hashbang:

b8zs: in actual operation, the FE just uses the DB on the BE, and (maybe) uses the BE's filestore via some network file system.

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b8zs:

that leads me to another question: how is live TV streamed to the frontend?

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b8zs:

and if its a networked file system, which is better: smbfs or nfs?

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scopeuk:

nfs for linux – linux iirc

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scopeuk:

i belvie it iis netwokrk file system alough im not sure

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Juski:

mythtv deals with all the streaming itself, but you can mount the recordings directory to the same location on the frontend (same dir name in other words) & it'll use that instead

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b8zs:

aaah ok recordings

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hashbang:

Juski: thanks. I've not tried a split BE/FE, so that's Useful Information.

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b8zs:

i think i will use a dedicated nfs server for recordings

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Juski:

b8zs: _everything_ in mythtv is recorded, even livetv

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b8zs:

how is that possible

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Juski:

hashbang: it's all I've ever had

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Juski:

b8zs: that's how mythtv works

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b8zs:

well, as long as it works; im smitten

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Juski:

how else could you pause/rewind/skip commercials in livetv ? ;-)

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b8zs:

good point

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hashbang:

Juski: I put Myth on a scratch desktop/server box that I was no longer using. If I was not repurposing old hardware, I probably would have done it split.

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b8zs:

so mysql is just for the configs?!

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hashbang:

Juski: though for power consumption reasons, I may still have done it unified.

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hashbang:

b8zs: and the schedules, and the recordings, and the indexes, and...

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Juski:

hashbang: mine is split for cost reasons mostly – and noise/size

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Juski:

not forgetting looks!

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scopeuk:

b8zs the mysql stores everything about myth

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scopeuk:

recordigns info chanel listings and config

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Juski:

I have a framestore to test.. back in a bit

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b8zs:

so the recordings are stored in a mysql database?

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b8zs:

or the locations for the recordings are?

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** b8zs is a sql noob **

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scopeuk:

locations

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b8zs:

ok

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b8zs:

well im just scared because i booted my backend server off a livecd and X failed to start

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b8zs:

so i hope i can forward my $DISPLAY to my xbox frontend

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b8zs:

well thanks for answering my pesky questions all, im off to bed

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scopeuk:

soudns familier

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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Darthy:

juski> i guy in v4l told me concerning dvbsnoop output that my card works

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Juski:

Darthy: mmkay.. so did he have any insight into why trying to look at the stream didn't ?

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Juski:

afternoon stuarta

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** stuarta is admiring his new toy **

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gardengnome:

a fleshlight?

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psofa:

?

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stuarta:

*another* 300Gb of disk space...

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gardengnome:

nice

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stuarta:

this time to make backups & rebuild my system

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gardengnome:

Juski: got your new toy yet? i saw the delivery guy in the neighborhood but i was tired to rob him

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stuarta:

what does a fleshlight do? illuminate flesh?

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Darthy:

Juski > no. but he took a look at what dvbsnoop put to stdout.. and that was fine.. the card gets fine data from the transponder

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Merlin83b:

stuarta: LiveTV is piles better with an up to date SVN.

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Merlin83b:

Thanks for the hints :-)

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** stuarta tries to remember when he said useful hints... **

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Juski:

gardengnome: heh. if it arrives today I won't get it til tomorrow anyway :-/

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Merlin83b:

I think it was basically "Go and try it again."

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stuarta:

ahhh :)

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stuarta:

Darthy: what problem are you having?

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gardengnome:

Juski: crappy :/

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stuarta:

!seen psofa

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MythLogBot:

psofa is here and has been idle for 6 minutes 25 seconds

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Juski:

gardengnome: I was up til 3.30am playing with xebian :-)

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psofa:

?

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gardengnome:

Juski: successfully? :)

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Zider:

which is the "better" sound system, DTS or AC3?

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stuarta:

psofa: seen mention of your problem on -dev

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stuarta:

sounds like janneg made progress

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psofa:

yes im famous now :P

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psofa:

gonna check now

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psofa:

>I can fix the symptom by ignoring invalid PAT's in avlib, but we should try to figure out why this PAT is being created...

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psofa:

who cares about the cause! i just want my live tv!!!!

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stuarta:

bandaid fixes only cause problems later...

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stuarta:

sounds like everyone is still looking into it...

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psofa:

a dirty fix would be handy especially if its easy to make.Im not saying merge it in trunk.Just be somewhere available

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stuarta:

psofa: time to test your coding skills?? ;-)

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psofa:

:(

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psofa:

i maybe able to write some crappy C++ code

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psofa:

but i dont know shit about video

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stuarta:

finding what to patch is the hard bit

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psofa:

i know

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psofa:

thats why i dont know where to patch

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psofa:

not to mention threads can be confusing if you dont know whats happening

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DrNickRiviera:

is it a really bad idea to have myth use ext2 for storing recordings?

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stuarta:

suboptimal

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armand:

you'll kick yousrelf in the ass later if you begin useing it more and more

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armand:

ext2/3 are slow with bigfiles

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** psofa hugs his xfs **

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DrNickRiviera:

problem is that journaling filesystems don't seem to work well with either laptop mode or noflushd

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DrNickRiviera:

and i really don't want that drive to run all the time when i'm on the computer :-/

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Zider:

laptop mode..?

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qu0zl:

powers down everything it can Zider

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qu0zl:

spins down drives too

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qu0zl:

DrNickRiviera, JFS has a nointegrity option

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qu0zl:

which disables journaling i think

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qu0zl:

you'd still get fast file deletes

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qu0zl:

dunno if that'd be worth a try

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DrNickRiviera:

sounds interesting

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Zider:

qu0zl: oh powersave mode.. :P

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qu0zl:

heh pretty much :)

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DrNickRiviera:

perhaps i should just buy one bigger hard drive rather then having 2, but they go up in price so quickly from a certain point onward :(

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Zider:

DrNickRiviera: 300GB is most valuable here at least

[13:17:23]

DrNickRiviera:

yeah

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psofa:

stuarta, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1872 doesnt this look relevant to mine?

[13:17:47]

DrNickRiviera:

that was what i was planning on getting and using with an old 120gig drive

[13:17:52]

qu0zl:

Oh DrNickRiviera , if you're using laptop mode with 3 1/2 inch drives be careful. I was going to do that with my pvr but google said that 3 1/2 drives aren't ment for lots of powering on/off like laptop drives and will burn out in the order of 10's of thousands of cycles instead of millions like laptop drives

[13:18:34]

psofa:

stuarta, nm danielk says so in the list

[13:18:36]

DrNickRiviera:

yeah, that's why i don't like the idea of simply setting the flush interval of the filesystem to something like 10 minutes as a lot of people do

[13:18:47]

qu0zl:

cool

[13:18:55]

Juski:

gardengnome: total success. gonna make it mount my recording directory with nfs tonight though. takes a while to play recorded shows. otherwise it's quite fast

[13:18:58]

DrNickRiviera:

that would just make it constantly spin up and down, which is definitely a bad idea

[13:19:03]

gardengnome:

Juski: spiffy:)

[13:19:22]

Juski:

oh and I'll be adding my lugradio theme to it

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Juski:

even tracked down a little program to centre the tvoutput properly :-)

[13:20:01]

gardengnome:

neat :)

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DrNickRiviera:

with larger files on xfs being good that doesn't just refer to files that are several gb, does it?

[13:20:38]

DrNickRiviera:

i know some filesystems can't handle them at all

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** Juski is very glad his xbox is a 1.4. they haven't managed to get the conexant tv encoder of the 1.6 variety to overscan in linux yet AFAICT **

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DrNickRiviera:

i mean it wont be slow with lots of files around a couple megs

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alunt2005:

Anyone here know the correct xmltv line for sky one? I have it as "channel sky-one.sky.com" which doesn't work

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ProtocoLD:

morning people.... afternoon & evening to everyone else :)

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gardengnome:

alunt2005: try tv_grab_<yourgrabber> --list-channels

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psofa:

stuarta, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1887 patch! yay!!

[13:51:51]

stuarta:

plus I just commented on it.

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qu0zl:

alunt2005, I use the same string "channel sky-one.sky.com" and works for me. I use the radiotimes.co.uk feed by the way

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alunt2005:

gardengnome: I'll try that.Thanks

[13:57:24]

alunt2005:

qu0zl: How do you distinguish which feed to use? I just run "mythfilldatabase" with no arguments. I dont know which feed it uses

[13:58:01]

qu0zl:

it was in the backend setup i think, been a while

[13:58:09]

gardengnome:

then it'll run whatever grabber you've set in mythtv-setup

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gardengnome:

look for video sources

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alunt2005:

OK Cheers for that

[14:02:47]

psofa:

stuarta, It doesn't extend MPEGStreamData to handle multiple DVB transports on a single tuned transport, nor does it fix the playback crash. But I'd appreciate if you tested this patch...

[14:02:54]

psofa:

so what does it do ?

[14:03:06]

psofa:

psofa, I've attached a patch which may be sufficient for you to make successful recordings.

[14:04:00]

alunt2005:

gardengnome: tv_grab_uk_rt --list-channels does indeed list sky one as sky-one.sky.com,yet it wont take the listing.

[14:04:29]

** stuarta swears at trac an has a cup of tea while it fixes itself **

[14:04:50]

qu0zl:

alunt2005, you also need to associate a channel with that "sky-one.sky.com" in the channel editor if i remember right

[14:05:12]

qu0zl:

so it'll know that channel 7 or whatever is described in the programme listing of "sky-one.sky.com"

[14:05:18]

stuarta:

alunt2005: have you setup the xmltvid in the data?

[14:05:59]

stuarta:

s/data/database

[14:06:21]

qu0zl:

alunt2005, http://www.gregfarrell.org/mythtv/settings_channels.php.htm is an example of the channels. You need the callsign to match the xmltv stuff

[14:06:42]

qu0zl:

sorry the "name" field, not the "callsign" field

[14:07:18]

qu0zl:

that sky one entry works for me with the radio times.co.uk feed. Ignore the frequency stuff though, that's rep. of ireland NTL freqs

[14:07:35]

alunt2005:

I normally let mythfilldatabase populate the channels for me.It fills all the channels apart from ones it says it cant recognize.

[14:08:10]

Juski:

I hate it doing that

[14:08:29]

alunt2005:

qu0zl: Interesting link.I'm studying it now

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alunt2005:

Right,I've added sky one manually in mythtv-setup.How can i run mythfilldatabase to populate the listings with only the sky one channel?

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qu0zl:

heh no idea alunt2005 , just run mythfilldatabase and make yourself a cup of tea

[14:16:54]

qu0zl:

or two

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Juski:

you can hand edit the .xmltv file in ~/.mythtv – just have channel sky-one.sky.com in there for now

[14:17:53]

Juski:

I recommend you back up the original file first though

[14:18:19]

alunt2005:

Juski: OK that would be the quickest solution

[14:19:48]

Juski:

one thing that has always bothered me about xmltv. I have DVB, so I scan my channels & get them added that way. Then I set up the video source and the next time mythfilldatabase runs I get all the channels I added in tv_grab_uk_rt --configure to the channel table _again_

[14:20:50]

Juski:

it's a very minor niggle though – it doesn't take me long to put right

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stuarta:

psofa: the patch ignores PATs that don't contain the PMT of the program you are trying to watch

[14:23:28]

psofa:

so will i watch livetv without crashing?

[14:23:44]

psofa:

it says "nor does it fix the playback crash."

[14:24:36]

psofa:

well i will soon know

[14:25:21]

stuarta:

possibly, it will fix the recording side of the problem, but doesn't address the mishandling of a broken stream

[14:25:27]

Juski:

oh hell. _more_ hdds to evaluate

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stuarta:

Juski: you say that like it's a hardship...

[14:25:54]

Juski:

it is

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alunt2005:

Well,thats weird.It now works for Sky One. It must be because i manually added the channel in mythtv-setup. All my other channels get added just by running mythfilldatabase.

[14:26:50]

Juski:

erm.. when that happens you'd still have to configure channel numbers & stuff would you not?

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Juski:

i.e. mythfilldatabase (tv_grab_uk_rt) can't possibly know that Sky One is channel 30 or whatever

[14:28:28]

alunt2005:

Juski: Yeah,Dont you guys?

[14:29:42]

alunt2005:

I have to put the Sky channel numbers into the freqid feild. (106) for Sky One so my sky-control can change the channels

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psofa:

stuarta, so far i havent got any crash

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psofa:

but maybe im lucky

[14:29:57]

Juski:

I find it kinda half-arsed, the whole configuring channels bit. I'd prefer to add the channels & configure xmltvids myself (which I do most of the time). That way I don't have to spend hours deleting shopping channels & cack

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stuarta:

psofa: play around & see if you can break it.

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psofa:

kk

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alunt2005:

My biggest problem is that udev keeps forgetting my usb channel changer is there.It a pain in the ......

[14:33:02]

alunt2005:

I updated udev yeterday and so far so good

[14:34:21]

k-man_:

is there a mythtv front end live cd install around?

[14:34:29]

Juski:

try not_myth

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k-man_:

not_myth?

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Juski:

yup

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Juski:

oops

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Juski:

knoppmyth

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Juski:

or mythdora

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k-man_:

ok

[14:35:29]

k-man_:

thanks

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k-man_:

ill check it out

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Juski:

careful. knoppmyth crashed my backend last time I tried it

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k-man_:

really?

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k-man_:

cripes

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k-man_:

which version of myth does it use?

[14:38:11]

k-man_:

.19?

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k-man_:

yeah, seems to

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k-man_:

now i just need a cheap pci tv-out card

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scopeuk:

knoppmyth is usign .19 + fixes

[14:40:50]

scopeuk:

ive not had anny problems with it (besdies a bust tv_grab_k_rt script)

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scopeuk:

#knoppmyth

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Juski:

how many more times.. it's not_myth :-P

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scopeuk:

:-)

[14:41:37]

** Merlin83b *heart* Knoppmyth **

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scopeuk:

i know you hate it juski but some of us ow it

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Juski:

I might have to try it again one day.. on a system i don't care less about

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scopeuk:

juski welcome to my world

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scopeuk:

do i give a damn about my myth box

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scopeuk:

nto rearly becosue i get a crap picture any way (crapp arial i dotn ahve time to fix am)

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k-man_:

well, im downloading it

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k-man_:

im going to give it a go

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scopeuk:

its quite nice

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scopeuk:

aslong as your setup is knoppmyth only its a simple install

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scopeuk:

k-man_ are you in the uk?

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scopeuk:

and do you use wireless

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k-man_:

Au

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scopeuk:

ok

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k-man_:

nope

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k-man_:

wired

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scopeuk:

the broken script wotn be a problem( only affects uk)

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scopeuk:

ok then install hould be a breaze

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Juski:

k-man – wise man ;-)

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scopeuk:

Juski i ditched my wieles as soon as i could get a wire draged through

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scopeuk:

the damn stuff is crap

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k-man_:

scopeuk, yeah, i want to make a boot to cd, no hdd type front end

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scopeuk:

knopp should wok

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Juski:

I just can't help thinking about the first time I saw anyone use the work 'fucktards'. that was about a knoppmyth release

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scopeuk:

you can edit the iso to make it boot direct to front end with your settigns already there

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Juski:

s/work/word

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scopeuk:

first time i heard it one of my mates had jsut blown up a hdd with static

[14:45:20]

Juski:

anyway enough of my vitriol :-P

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psofa:

stuarta, it hasnt crashed yet.Ill report tonight just to be sure

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psofa:

but it seems its fixed

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stuarta:

cool

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psofa:

:D

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null:

Anyone with a working tv_grab_ch grabber?

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Juski_:

hmm still can't find anything to rob a PS2 keyboard socket from

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scopeuk:

Juski old mobo?

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scopeuk:

old usb keyboard (some hasve em for mice)

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hashbang:

Juski: some TV out sockets are the same pin layout as PS2, IIRC

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hashbang:

(as distinct from s-video, obv)

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Juski_:

hashbang: good idea! I'll pillage that AIW cable set when I get in ;-)

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Juski_:

exit

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Juski_:

quit

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Juski:

I just remembered I have an old KVM switch lying around :-P

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Darthy:

which is the version of mythbackend in http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-19-fixes/ ?

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Darthy:

is it 0.19.20060121–2 ?

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Darthy:

source-version: 10095M ?

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Juski:

Darthy: 0.19-fixes version number is bumped every time head is updated

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sixy:

Does anyone know a way to reset the mythtv keybindings to default?

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Darthy:

thats why i want to know which is the current.

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Darthy:

coz the debian package i had is the same version number as the one i just compiled

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Darthy:

i mean the api version

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sixy:

i didnt realise that mplayer has its own keybinds – which _were_ nicely synced with myths until i changed stuff....

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Kleptophobiac:

hello

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Darthy:

hi

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psofa:

anyone knows sth about this?:

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psofa:

chester as a client (events: 0)

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psofa:

2006-06–01 18:40:53.374 MainServer::HandleAnnounce FileTransfer

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psofa:

2006-06–01 18:40:53.374 adding: Winchester as a remote file transfer

[15:41:16]

psofa:

system: using key V 7c00 08 AFAA...

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psofa:

crap

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psofa:

wrong paste

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sixy:

or if no-one does – is there a list of what the default keybinds are?

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** sixy doesnt want to have to reinstall mythtv (if thats even possible without computer-death) just to reset the keybinds...... **

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Kleptophobiac:

try looking it up on the wiki, i think there's a list there

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Kleptophobiac:

k

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Kleptophobiac:

anybody using lirc+serial+IR?

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sixy:

thanks

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sixy:

klepto – iwas untill recently – whats up?

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Kleptophobiac:

it's sporadic

[15:44:57]

Kleptophobiac:

sometimes my remote works, sometimes it doesn't

[15:45:02]

Kleptophobiac:

a reboot sometimes fixes it, sometimes doesn't

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psofa:

hmm

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Kleptophobiac:

irw doesn't list keys

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Kleptophobiac:

but mode2 recognizes pulses

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psofa:

anyone trying hd on myth trunk?

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psofa:

[h264 @ 0x2af19b9aff10]PAFF interlacing is not implemented

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psofa:

[h264 @ 0x2af19b9aff10]illegal short term buffer state detected

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sixy:

Ive found serial IR recievers on ANY platform to be a bit crap, tbh, seems to be a polling issue

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Kleptophobiac:

what do you use now?

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psofa:

im getting these on the log and the video looks crap

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sixy:

what are your current serial port settings?

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sixy:

usb based one – streamzap one one, mce on the other

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Kleptophobiac:

whatever is default

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Kleptophobiac:

setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none

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stuarta:

psofa: the underlying ffmpeg libs don't yet support interlaced h264 content, same problem here in the uk

[15:46:36]

Kleptophobiac:

then load the module

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psofa:

stuarta, its the same thing they are saying about bbc?

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stuarta:

yep

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Kleptophobiac:

i had an RF remote – the niveus

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psofa:

:(

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Kleptophobiac:

it was ok, but didn't feel good and had a poor button layout

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sixy:

well i did spend a while going through the hundreds of guides on serial port tweaking, but i cam e to the conclusion that it would save time and energy to get a cheap usb one

[15:47:41]

Kleptophobiac:

serial port tweaking?

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Kleptophobiac:

like what?

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stuarta:

now if only I were a codec guru...

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psofa:

:)

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sixy:

Ive not used the niveus – the logitech harmony is fantastic but very very expensive and i dont know about *nix comatibility

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psofa:

stuarta, btw codecs coding seems really hard

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psofa:

* sounds

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psofa:

:)

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sixy:

tweaking baud rate and pollin interval to get it to check more frequently – but it can mean that one press is captured twice

[15:49:13]

Kleptophobiac:

odd

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stuarta:

it's straightforward in that you have the docs, but lots of evil math & optimizations...

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Juski:

sixy: I've never noticed undue cpu usage with serial lirc in linux. it's complete gash on windows though

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sixy:

cpu usage?? serial port polling interval is unrelated to cpu usage juski

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Juski:

whatever. i find it responsive enough anyway. never misses a keypress

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psofa:

stuarta, im talking more about inventing a codec

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Kleptophobiac:

i can watch the pulses and spaces on mode2

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Kleptophobiac:

but irw doesn't register anything

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stuarta:

psofa: now that's a black art

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Kleptophobiac:

i'm wondering if there's something to do w/ ambient light

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Juski:

Kleptophobiac: maybe if the receiver isn't the best

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sixy:

its possible – i think it probably depends on your hardware – hauppage grey remote?

[15:51:37]

Kleptophobiac:

it's a homebrew one with an IR detector i scavenged from a VCR

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Juski:

fluorescent lights are bad for giving IR detectors problems

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Kleptophobiac:

none of that

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Kleptophobiac:

though there's some sunlight

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Kleptophobiac:

and a CRT

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Juski:

put it behind some IR transmissive filter

[15:52:18]

Juski:

that might improve it some

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Kleptophobiac:

i'll show you what it looks like

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Kleptophobiac:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e360/klepto . . . d-etched.jpg

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Kleptophobiac:

that's the circuit board

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Kleptophobiac:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e360/klepto . . . leaned-1.jpg

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Kleptophobiac:

etched

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Kleptophobiac:

and cleaned

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Kleptophobiac:

assembled

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Kleptophobiac:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e360/klepto . . . finished.jpg

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Kleptophobiac:

that's an IR filter snap-on cover I found in a DVD player

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Juski:

tried it without the filter? :-P

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Kleptophobiac:

i suppose i could

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Kleptophobiac:

but it's so cute with the filter!

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Kleptophobiac:

and easy to hide

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Juski:

the supply voltage for it could be wrong too

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Kleptophobiac:

i can watch it pulse away happily on my oscilloscope

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Kleptophobiac:

of course that's not a real accurate way to judge health

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Juski:

how big are the pulses?

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Juski:

your serial port might not be catching em properly

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Kleptophobiac:

i don't remember what scale i was using

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Kleptophobiac:

mode2 is reporting

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Kleptophobiac:

pulse 1122

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Kleptophobiac:

space 609

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Kleptophobiac:

pulse 1065

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Kleptophobiac:

space 600

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Kleptophobiac:

about that order of magnitude

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Juski:

5v is officially out of spec in terms of rs232 levels

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Kleptophobiac:

i store the 10v coming down the line

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Kleptophobiac:

on a cap

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Kleptophobiac:

then run it through a 5v regulator

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Juski:

yes but...

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Juski:

the output is sometimes open collector, so with a resistor tied to 5v, the max you can get out is 5v pk-pk

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Kleptophobiac:

yeah, but the detector uses about as close to no power as you can get

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Kleptophobiac:

so the drop shouldn't be that significant

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Juski:

you're missing my point ;-)

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Kleptophobiac:

try again?

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Kleptophobiac:

small words. :)

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Juski:

5v is officially in 'no mans land' in rs232 terms

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Juski:

it just happens that some serial ports work with lower voltage levels on their inputs

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Juski:

and some work erm... not so well

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Kleptophobiac:

oh, in terms of actually causing the port to trigger?

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Juski:

yep

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Kleptophobiac:

so something like a MAX232 would be preferable?

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Juski:

your mode2 output looks promising. try using irrecord to make your own .conf file

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Kleptophobiac:

i did

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Kleptophobiac:

and it works.... sometimes

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Kleptophobiac:

i can watch a show

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Kleptophobiac:

and it'll work ok in the beginning

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Kleptophobiac:

but by the time I get to the end

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Kleptophobiac:

nada!

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Kleptophobiac:

button presses do nothing and I have to resort to my ps2 keyboard

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Kleptophobiac:

and stooping under the media cabinet

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Juski:

hmmm

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Juski:

how about when the remote is closer to the receiver?

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Kleptophobiac:

i tried point blank

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Kleptophobiac:

no better

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Kleptophobiac:

with my hand cupped around to keep it dark

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Juski:

point blank would prolly overload the input cct inside the sensor chip – or at least drive it crazy

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Kleptophobiac:

point blank = 2 – 3"

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Kleptophobiac:

i usually sit around 10' away

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Juski:

is lircd dying?

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psofa:

frontend just stopper responding to keyboard commands.It plays livetv fine though i cant tell it anything Oo

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Kleptophobiac:

no, lircd continues to run

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Kleptophobiac:

but it doesn't recognize keystrokes

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Kleptophobiac:

irw shows nothing

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Kleptophobiac:

killing lircd and bringing up mode2

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Kleptophobiac:

shows i'm still getting pulses

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Kleptophobiac:

bringing back lircd... still nothing

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Juski:

weird

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Kleptophobiac:

almost as if the config were wrong

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Kleptophobiac:

but then it'll work again later, no changes

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Juski:

is the cable screened?

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Kleptophobiac:

ie, shielded?

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Juski:

yup

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Kleptophobiac:

that's a good question... i don't think so

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Kleptophobiac:

i chopped it off of an old mouse

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Kleptophobiac:

it's been a while since i built it

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Kleptophobiac:

i built it a few years ago for another purpose and recently found it in my drawer

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Juski:

might have a bearing on it if you have a cellphone/Dect phone/wireless

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Kleptophobiac:

hmm

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Kleptophobiac:

i have a roll of copper braid... i could run the cable through that and ground it on both ends

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Kleptophobiac:

see if that helps

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Kleptophobiac:

or

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Kleptophobiac:

i have a box of ferrites

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Juski:

100nF cap across the regulator input & output might help it too

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Juski:

as you're _supposed_ to do with 78L regs

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Kleptophobiac:

i've got a 4.7 uF cap across the output

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Kleptophobiac:

nothing on the input though

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Juski:

decoupling caps should be big _and_ small on each rail

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Kleptophobiac:

i might remake this thing

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Kleptophobiac:

with better decoupling

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Kleptophobiac:

and a shielded line

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Kleptophobiac:

i wonder why i still get fairly regular pulses on mode2 though

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Juski:

tried a different version of lirc?

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Kleptophobiac:

currently using the latest

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Juski:

I had all kinds of problems with one version

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Kleptophobiac:

.8

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Juski:

and a strange remote which would let me produce one line of dots in irrecord but not another one :-/

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Kleptophobiac:

odd...

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Kleptophobiac:

oh

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Kleptophobiac:

the new lircd

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Kleptophobiac:

err, lirc

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Juski:

I wonder if your remote is going off on a tangent

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Kleptophobiac:

has a slightly different way of doing the dot thing in irrecord

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Kleptophobiac:

have you read the directions recently, they've changed

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Kleptophobiac:

?

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Kleptophobiac:

you're supposed to press one button for 10 dots or so

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Kleptophobiac:

and then switch to another button

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Juski:

lol

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Kleptophobiac:

i had your problem when i was just holding down one button

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Kleptophobiac:

irrecord stopped accepting the same pattern

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Juski:

no the onscreen instructions said to press each button to get at least 2 dots...

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Juski:

then it'd say "great.. now do another line...".. then sit there doing nothing

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Juski:

another remote works fine doing the same thing

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Kleptophobiac:

that's the old version

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Juski:

this was about a week or so ago

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Kleptophobiac:

It is very important that you press many different buttons and hold them

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Kleptophobiac:

down for approximately one second. Each button should generate at least one

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Kleptophobiac:

dot but in no case more than ten dots of output.

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Kleptophobiac:

Don't stop pressing buttons until two lines of dots (2x80) have been

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Kleptophobiac:

generated.

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Kleptophobiac:

many different buttons

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Kleptophobiac:

that's the part that changed

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Juski:

that's whjat I meant

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Kleptophobiac:

:)

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Kleptophobiac:

k

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Kleptophobiac:

that's strange

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Juski:

innit

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Kleptophobiac:

rs232 pulses +/-10 on RTS, yes?

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Juski:

aha

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Kleptophobiac:

+/-10v

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Kleptophobiac:

aha?

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Kleptophobiac:

figure something out?

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Juski:

ballpark minimum +/- 8v I once read

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sixy:

ok quick question – can you remove the option to exit mythtv altogether? i cant work out how to do it in mainmenu.xml

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Juski:

so 5v working is 'lucky'

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Merlin83b:

sixy: It's in setup.

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Merlin83b:

No need to hack on anything!

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sixy:

ah – didnt look there :) thanks

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xris:

sixy: you want to prevent people from quitting mythtv?

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Juski:

sixy: btw I was misconstrued earlier... polling the serial port doesn't pull many cpu cycles but if your CPU is working hard you can miss pulses ;-)

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Juski:

</backpedal> :-)

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Kleptophobiac:

heh, ok then

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Kleptophobiac:

50% usage shouldn't be a problem

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Juski:

my little epia machine copes alright. my 800mhz athlon struggles when transcoding though

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Juski:

but then it even misses keypresses

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Kleptophobiac:

is there some way to use the IrDA header on my mobo? would that be superior?

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Juski:

IrDA != CIR

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sixy:

xris – yes i do

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Kleptophobiac:

yeah, i know, i was just wondering if there's some way to utilize it anyway

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sixy:

juski - :) i hadnt noticed that – but then i never really hit 100% cpu

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Juski:

sixy: nor do my linux boxen, but friends of mine had no joy with winlirc

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xris:

sixy: not sure that's possible... otherwise, there's no clean way to stop the frontend if you need to need to reset it (backend disconnect/etc)

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xris:

safer just to make it the only thing running in X so that when it exits, you go back to the login screen

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sixy:

just restart the whole computer? as im not using the tv parts for this machine (its just a fancy mp3/dvd player) then in theory i should aviod many of the more interesting issues

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Kleptophobiac:

well, i'm off to fiddle with my IR thing on the benchtop

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Kleptophobiac:

bbiab

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xris:

sixy: I guess... well, good luck.

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sixy:

pity. oh well its hardly the end of the world.

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xris:

sixy: just run mythfrontend in a loop

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Juski:

xebian does that. a little annoying when 'exit & shutdown' doesn't seem to work ;-)

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xris:

Juski: yeah, with that setup, I'd just turn off the exit confirmation stuff

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xris:

DrNickRiviera: you get a chance to test svn?

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psofa:

why doesnt the UseChromaKeyOSD hack work on trunk?

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Wonko:

When I try to enter the MythWeather page I get "MythWeather: Invalid area ID or server error." in the log. It tries several times with longer time but returns immediately. The same happens if I try the configuration screen which makes it hard to enter a valid area ID..

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Juski:

psofa: works for me

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sixy:

is there any way to get the goom visualisation to use xvmc?

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xris:

no

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xris:

wait, no tsure.

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sixy:

(or any way of getting a this or a similar vis to be hardware-accellerated)

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Juski:

opengl would be good

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xris:

goom should be via opengl, isn't it?

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Juski:

I dunno

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sixy:

well its using a lot of cpu for somehting thats using opengl

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Juski:

that's what I always thought

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Juski:

it's not that good anyway IMHO. the linux port of milkdrop would be nicer

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sixy:

i really like milkdrop – is there any way to get myth to use it?

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Juski:

yes there is... code fer it ;-)

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kormoc:

goom is SDL which is opengl

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kormoc:

(usually)

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psofa:

Juski, maybe the schema upgrade overrided my setting?

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sixy:

juski: i dont suppose there is a nice easy way to get it working that you know of?

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Juski:

sixy: nope

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sixy:

bah thought not :*(

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xris:

haha. I think I broke linkedin.com. heh

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Juski:

anyway I'd rather have mythmusic made easier to use than fancy visuals

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xris:

Juski: likewise

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sixy:

i like visuals. i just dont like them using 80% of the cpu

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Juski:

you know how the UI is going opengl – is there a plan to make the OSD go the same way?

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psofa:

Juski, i dont think so

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psofa:

its not the same thing i suppose

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sixy:

juski – from what i understand, rendering stuff in hardware on top of video overlay is pretty non-trivial

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psofa:

the osd is done on top of xv

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psofa:

while the ogl is provided by qt

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psofa:

the only way it makes sense is if they create an ogl video out

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sixy:

you can do it with dx9 but as far as i know there is no good way to do it in linux

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Juski:

hmmm

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sixy:

smile nicely at m$ for a linux dx9 port? :D

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

so that'd be how xbmc does it then

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psofa:

xbmc?

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Juski:

I'll see what I can do to make an OSD theme soon

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sixy:

xvmc only accelerates the video itself doesnt it?

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Juski:

sixy: afaik

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psofa:

and not all of it iirc

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Juski:

psofa: xbmc == xbox media (haxx0r) center (sic)

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Dagmar:

Hm... Let's see...

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sixy:

so you would need to combine ogl and xvmc

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Dagmar:

We have Mesa.

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Dagmar:

We have an actual closed-source scene-building library that you can get from nVidia

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Dagmar:

There's GL itself.

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Dagmar:

Nah, there's no GL under Linux

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Juski:

I thought xvmc could use opengl textures.. ?

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psofa:

VideoOutputXv: Number of bits per pixel is 16,

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psofa:

but we only support ARGB 32 bbp for ChromaKeyOSD.

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psofa:

maybe i need to change my bpp in xorg?

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Juski:

psofa: sounds likely

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sixy:

--xvmc-uses-textures/--no-xvmc-uses-textures Forces XvMC to use the 3D engine for XvMCPutSurface requests rather than the video overlay

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Juski:

24 colour bits plus alpha (transparency)

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sixy:

from a recent nvidia driver

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sixy:

thats how id do it, but ati users are probably out of luck

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psofa:

Juski, my corg.conf already has Depth 24

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Dagmar:

psofa: AFAIK 24bpp is what they're referring to

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Juski:

sixy: so in _theory_ you could just draw on top of it

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Juski:

as far as ATI users are concerned... lol

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sixy:

harsh :P

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psofa:

the fact that nvidia does it with the their 3d engine doesnt mean anything

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psofa:

it doesnt mean that you can draw ogl on it imho

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Juski:

right

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sixy:

but it doesnt need to be ogl specifically, as long as its going through the cards 3d engine then you can render transparency in hardware

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Juski:

it'd be faster than blitting bitmaps around though

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sixy:

actually juski there looks to be some real potential there – project graham v2??

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Juski:

projectgrayhemOSD more like ;-)

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Juski:

loads of people have asked for one

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sixy:

be nice if the whole interface could run on top of the overlay sagetv style tho

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Juski:

sixy: maybe

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Juski:

then you might lose the animations & stuff that are coming along though

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sixy:

the wife really liked being able to see the tv and the program guide at the same time – but yeah i can see how annimations might be hard

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Juski:

themes & stuff can already be transparent

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Juski:

you'd just have to put the video underneath

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Juski:

but that'd bugger it all up for xvmc users

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sixy:

without hardwre rendering it would cause slower computers to die a horrible death tho

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Juski:

not to mention pvr350 users

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awilkins:

Ok, this is weird ; my backend has stopped accepting requests to schedule programs

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awilkins:

Either via MythWeb or frontend ; you ask it to record something, and nothing happens

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awilkins:

It doesnt

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awilkins:

even schedule it...

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sixy:

restart mysql?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

awilkins: and you didn't change anything at all? :)

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awilkins:

RaYmAn-Bx: Aside from updating to a new source version....

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awilkins:

RaYmAn-Bx: Just seems like a rather difficult thing to break, being core functionaility n'all.

[17:19:39]

RaYmAn-Bx:

nah, you can break anything you want!

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awilkins:

Restarting mysql did not fix it, neither did restarting the backend or doing a mysqlrepair

[17:23:54]

awilkins:

Bah

[17:24:38]

RaYmAn-Bx:

hmm, did you have to upgrade the mysql db schema in relation to the update?

[17:25:05]

awilkins:

Not personally, the backend always does that for you anyway

[17:25:32]

awilkins:

I have no idea if the schema changed ; I just back the DB up and if it doesn't break, so much the better.

[17:25:53]

RaYmAn-Bx:

you probably want to enable some recording logs on the backend and then try recording and having a look at the output

[17:26:13]

RaYmAn-Bx:

I had a similar problem a while back, but that was due to the auto_increment being messed up after a db move

[17:26:14]

awilkins:

'tis not recording that is a problem ; it's been watching LiveTV all day

[17:27:19]

psofa:

whats better tvout res for a crappy crt tv? 1024 or 720?

[17:27:53]

awilkins:

Either works fine ; my choice (1024) was based on the size of UI elements, not the picture quality.

[17:28:03]

RaYmAn-Bx:

awilkins: well, scheduling then =P

[17:28:53]

awilkins:

Arrgh, no time.

[17:28:59]

awilkins:

The wife wants to watch something

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** awilkins fingers are flying to type manual MySQL insert so wife gets to watch programme **

[17:30:16]

psofa:

lol

[17:30:43]

Juski:

time I was heading home

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sixy:

thats odd... i dont seem to have an alsa service ??

[17:32:29]

sixy:

ive installed the kernel module, alsa-tools, alsa-lib and alsa-util but no service appeareth

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awilkins:

sixy: Which distro?

[17:40:21]

NightMonkey:

awilkins: Did you run out of space? What does mythbackend --printexpire tell you?

[17:40:50]

janneg:

psofa: have you already tried the patch daniel attached to 1887?

[17:40:59]

psofa:

janneg, yes

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psofa:

so far no crash

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psofa:

but i cant be sure

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awilkins:

NightMonkey: I'm pretty sure I have enough space, I have 74 GB yesterday. Even at 2GB an hour, it can't have been recording THAT much.

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psofa:

janneg, one thing i noticed

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janneg:

ok

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sixy:

awilkins: fedora 5

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awilkins:

sixy: I don't know how Fedora starts/stops services. Does it use scripts in /etc/init.d ?

[17:42:13]

psofa:

when i was at channel 1 then changed to chan 2 .Then while changing to 3 before the video started i saw an instant image of channel 1

[17:42:20]

psofa:

janneg, cant be sure though

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psofa:

maybe the invalid pat happens because the card doesnt tune as fast as myth thinks?

[17:43:32]

sixy:

yeah it does, bt there is no alsa script there at all

[17:44:12]

janneg:

psofa: I thought it was pretty easy to reproduce. i.e. it happened everytime you used dvb-s

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psofa:

janneg, it happened really frequentlt

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psofa:

*frequently

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psofa:

but some times even if i changed like 20 channs it didnt happen

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psofa:

i suppose its ok to assume that the crash dissapeared

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psofa:

i just wanted to wait for 3–4 h more before reporting

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janneg:

psofa: that's pretty unlikely. we have the siganlmonitor which looks at least for one correct PAT and PMT before it starts recording the stream

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psofa:

maybe the backend sends part of the previous recording?

[17:46:23]

janneg:

so the frontend will this first packets never see

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sixy:

actually ignore that – it appears that alsa doesnt need a service anymore

[17:47:33]

janneg:

btw: which satellite is it?

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psofa:

janneg, its hotbird 13E

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psofa:

janneg, ah sth else dont know if its worth mentioning

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psofa:

in dmesg my skystar 2 card drivers say that they will use the hw pid filter ( i suppose this means hardware?)

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psofa:

maybe its not working correctly

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psofa:

hence i see that only on dvb-s

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psofa:

if i wanted to add a radio dvb channel at latest trunk.Would i add it to the database as a normal dvb channel?

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awilkins:

Hmm, even worse, it's taking schedules but they are not matching th eprorgammes

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stuarta:

psofa: the scanner will pick it up and add it as a 'radio' channel for you

[18:02:33]

psofa:

stuarta, i dont want the scanner!

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psofa:

i want to manually add channels.So my question is: do video channels have any difference in the database with radio channels?

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stuarta:

not that I can see from my db

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Juski:

evening

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stuarta:

evening

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psofa:

hi!

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Juski:

yay! fluxbox loaded the focus executable I put into it last night

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Juski:

eeek! the backend has crashed!

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NightMonkey:

Does MythTV make use of backslash escapes in MySQL?

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awilkins:

My scheduling problems appear to be restrictred to one or two channels...

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Juski:

well whatever had caused the crash, it's back up now :-/ Never done that before

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awilkins:

ANd now is works perfectly

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stuarta:

rsync'ng my home dir is taking ages....

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ivor:

stuarta: ! how big is it?

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stuarta:

ivor: 40G

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ivor:

guess that'll take a while then.

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stuarta:

though the bottleneck is likely usb2

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stuarta:

might do the 260G myth data remotely, or overnight

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ivor:

hmm I think I've blown up my development tv.

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ivor:

its making an odd smell.

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Zider:

opsie

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Zider:

dtv is dangerous ;)

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ivor:

perhaps I should invest in an oscilloscope or something so I can check what signals I'm feeding.

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** Juski hands ivor a waveform monitor **

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** ivor thinks that would be great. whatever it is. **

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Juski:

ivor: not just any old scope will do – it'd have to have a video trigger mode

[19:59:26]

Juski:

though you can always cobble one together with a sync separator chip ;)

[19:59:56]

Juski:

is a modern-ish telly ivor?

[20:00:04]

Juski:

is _it_..

[20:00:15]

ivor:

nah, knakered old portable.

[20:00:20]

ivor:

hence "development tv"

[20:00:42]

Juski:

I thought all the stuff about blowing up displays was wife-talery

[20:00:55]

** jams wonders how noticable the difference is between .25 and .27 dotpitch **

[20:04:34]

ivor:

ooh its got a picture again.

[20:04:46]

ivor:

hmm don't seem to have colour any more.

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quitte_:

hi. i ran into the xmltvid insertion problem with 0.19. id prefer if i didnt have to rebuild so if someone knows a workaround please tell me. otherwise where can i download the latest fixes for 0.19?

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** Juski bangs his head on the desk **

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Juski:

svn.mythtv.org

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NightMonkey:

quitte_: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/release-0-19-fixes

[20:15:21]

quitte_:

ok. thanks found it.

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ivor:

hmm wonder if theres any tv analysis kit on ebay

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highway:

I'm moving to an area that doesn't have digital cable yet... Can someone point me the right way to get HD Dishnet or Direct with Myth?

[20:26:42]

MonMotha:

highway: get a hacked box that has firewire

[20:26:54]

MonMotha:

that's the only way. Dish doesn't use standard DVB conditional access

[20:27:10]

eidolon:

hmm. i'm considering an HDTV monitor – i'm running mythtv 0.19... anythign magical i need to do to drive it? i'm assuming it'll take a normal s-video input from my nVidia card, but i'll need an HDTV tuner card to record at full res, yes?

[20:27:15]

MonMotha:

your local broadcasters should be running digital, though

[20:27:17]

MonMotha:

you can try terrestrial

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MonMotha:

eidolon: s-video cannot do HD

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eidolon:

ah. component only?

[20:27:43]

MonMotha:

most new HD monitors take DVI (or HDMI, which is DVI on a different connector)

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eidolon:

ah.

[20:27:56]

MonMotha:

that will give the best picture. Otherwise, you'll have to get one of those stupid component adapters

[20:27:56]

highway:

I want PPV and stuff... I saw support for DBox2 in myth... is that the Dreambox?

[20:28:09]

eidolon:

okay. i'll upgrade my video board then.

[20:28:21]

eidolon:

that whole machine is gonna get an overhaul to drive this monitor if i get it :)

[20:28:48]

MonMotha:

and then yes, you'll need an HD tuner. Many people successfully use the IEEE1394 (firewire) output of their digital cable boxes

[20:29:02]

Juski:

highway: no it's the dbox2

[20:29:12]

highway:

links?

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eidolon:

huh... that's a good idea. i need to get a comcast digital tuner though.

[20:29:27]

Juski:

www.tuxbox.org

[20:29:29]

MonMotha:

I personally use a pcHDTV 3000. I used to do OTA terrestrial, but then my cable company finally got off their asses and complied with the FCC mandate to give the locals over cable

[20:29:35]

highway:

I have comcast where i live right now

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eidolon:

highway: wherezzat? I'm in Natick, MA

[20:29:49]

Juski:

highway: dbox2 is a european cable box

[20:29:53]

highway:

i used to use firewire... they turned on the broadcast flag on most of the channels though

[20:29:59]

highway:

oh

[20:30:09]

highway:

Atwater, CA

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eidolon:

wow. okay :)

[20:30:17]

eidolon:

comcast reaches everwhere. :)

[20:30:28]

eidolon:

so really, i should use an internal HDTV tuner to avoid the broadcast flag crap, yes?

[20:30:29]

highway:

i pay $170/mo for cable+internet

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MonMotha:

you mean somebody actually enabled the encryption on the IEEE1394 port on their cable box (I doin't remember what the standard is called)!?

[20:30:32]

Juski:

I doubt you'd be able to use a dreambox legally for paytv in the US anyway

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MonMotha:

the broadcast flag doesn't matter

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MonMotha:

mythtv will ignore it

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Juski:

MonMotha: 5C

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MonMotha:

that's it

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eidolon:

MonMotha: but will it get passed through from the digital box – ala, will the digital box refuse to pump signal through the firewire if the broadcast flag is on?

[20:31:13]

MonMotha:

I had never heard of a cable company actually turning that on

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highway:

the broadcast flag makes the receiver not transmit unless the 5c handshake is done

[20:31:19]

MonMotha:

eidolon: it legally has to

[20:31:22]

MonMotha:

however, it can do 5C

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MonMotha:

which mythtv cannot speak

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eidolon:

sorry, i don't know what 5c is.

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MonMotha:

the "content control" has really gotten out of hand ni the USA

[20:31:56]

MonMotha:

but yes, a pcHDTV will happily ignore all that crap

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highway:

"5 Company"

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highway:

i use the pcHDTV now

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eidolon:

excellent. how well does mythtv handle a pchdtv card?

[20:32:14]

MonMotha:

and your cableco is required to give you the locals unencrypted

[20:32:21]

MonMotha:

handles it just fine

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eidolon:

eh. i just want to record things like BSG :)

[20:32:33]

highway:

i'm tempted to not move

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MonMotha:

I should point out that they don't have to give you the locals *IN HD*

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** eidolon nods. **

[20:32:43]

MonMotha:

they just have to give them digital

[20:32:53]

MonMotha:

they can downres and recompress them to 512kbit if they want to

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highway:

MonMotha, do you know a good sat receive that does firewire?

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Juski:

just curious here.. what do the 'local' channels give you anyway? they just network affiliates?

[20:33:05]

MonMotha:

highway: none of them for the USA. You have to buy a hacked one

[20:33:11]

highway:

:(

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eidolon:

i do 99% of my video watching via DVD's, so i'm not sweating it mnuch. and i play emulator games a lot :) i'll just need to tune my emulator settings to show up nice n purty on the tv.

[20:33:23]

MonMotha:

in europe, this stuff is MUCH easier

[20:33:29]

MonMotha:

they don't have DRM everywhere

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Juski:

not now

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MonMotha:

just get a CA module and shove it in

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MonMotha:

oh, they changed all that?

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Juski:

HDTV will be pretty much locked down in the UK

[20:33:54]

MonMotha:

Juski: yeah, locals are the network affiliates

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highway:

has anyone worked on supporting OnDemand conent in myth?

[20:34:16]

MonMotha:

anything you can receive with an antenna digitally is required (in theory), but most cable cos don't bother with the regligous propaganda stations

[20:34:25]

Juski:

Sky TV & Telewest are the only ones offerring HD right now – and you buy/rent their locked PVR or do without

[20:34:30]

MonMotha:

highway: not to my knowledge. Again, pretty locked down

[20:34:42]

highway:

well, it works with the firewire

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highway:

but you have to start it manually on the box

[20:35:02]

MonMotha:

highway: unless they start enabling 5C, which wouldn't surprise me for ondemand and PPV

[20:35:39]

MonMotha:

I knew it existed. I'd just never heard of a cableco actually turning it on

[20:35:44]

highway:

they would have to turn it on globally... the receiver doesn't really support 5c in the ondemand stuff

[20:35:59]

Juski:

in any case, uk HD is / will be h.264. people have documented achieving as much as 15fps playback rate on a 3ghz machine!

[20:36:19]

MonMotha:

Juski: not surprising. I've played with HD h.264

[20:36:39]

MonMotha:

it's really a shame they don't use it here in the HS

[20:36:39]

MonMotha:

US

[20:36:51]

highway:

so... the question becomes... stick with $140k/year... don't move.... or move and get a 60k/year pay raise... is myth worth it....

[20:37:01]

Juski:

but by the time HD is widespread (on satellite & terrestrial), the kind of grunt you need to play it back will be more affordable ;-)

[20:37:22]

MonMotha:

even at the full 19.2Mbit 8VSB channel bitrate, MPEG2 macroblocks on high motion scenes in both 720p and 1080i

[20:37:39]

Juski:

MonMotha: really? haha

[20:38:03]

Juski:

maybe they're using cheap crap encoding gear

[20:38:10]

kormoc:

highway, I'd say myth isn't worth $60,000 a year...

[20:38:42]

kormoc:

tho, you never really said why you couldn't get cable at your new place

[20:38:54]

MonMotha:

Juski: probably

[20:38:55]

highway:

not there

[20:38:59]

highway:

middle of nowhere

[20:39:07]

Juski:

on that much cash I wouldn't have said anything would be a problem, surely...

[20:39:12]

highway:

closest cable run is about 4 miles away

[20:39:18]

kormoc:

highway, you can pay them to run it to your house

[20:39:27]

MonMotha:

but given that some DVDs start to macroblock (if you're watching for it) at only 480p24 @ ~9Mbit, that's not suprising

[20:39:28]

highway:

they said no

[20:39:49]

MonMotha:

highway: you just didn't name a big enough $$$ amount :)

[20:39:51]

kormoc:

highway, who said no?

[20:39:54]

Juski:

in the land of the free they turned down a way to make $$$$ ?

[20:40:01]

Juski:

;-)

[20:40:06]

highway:

the local cable office

[20:40:39]

highway:

i guess i could try to work my way up their management chain

[20:40:53]

Juski:

I have no idea of the cost of living over there, but I imagine on that kind of cash you don't _need_ a 'free' PVR :-)

[20:40:59]

kormoc:

who is the local cable office?

[20:41:02]

highway:

comcast

[20:41:28]

highway:

well, its administered by another company

[20:41:33]

highway:

i dunno their name

[20:41:38]

kormoc:

ooh, they have set rates to run cable lines if you want, same with internet lines. You might need to call their buisness line number

[20:42:01]

highway:

i might be able to get my employer to pay for that

[20:42:09]

xris:

highway: if there is no cable, you're SOL unless you want to shell out a lot of money... and I mean a LOT (5–6 figures for a 4 mile run)

[20:42:46]

highway:

my employer won't pay for that

[20:42:51]

kormoc:

xris, really? last I knew it wasn't *that* much as long as it didn't need it's own CO

[20:43:05]

highway:

4 miles is a long ways when 4 miles is the edge of their service area

[20:43:18]

xris:

kormoc: it would have cost us aroud $24k to pull in the run at the new bldg... and I think (bad memory) that was only 12k feet

[20:43:23]

highway:

maybe the 5 or 6 other houses over that 4 miles will help pay the cost...

[20:43:36]

kormoc:

xris, jesus...

[20:44:23]

highway:

it cost my $8,000 for 0.75 miles at my old house... comcast paid for half and the neighbors and i paid for the other half

[20:44:24]

xris:

kormoc: don't forget expenses about digging up roads, conduit is expensive, so is fibre...

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kormoc:

highway, that that same rate, it'll be $43,000

[20:45:16]

kormoc:

*at that

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highway:

I want to know why they don't have DVB-S cards that support access cards

[20:45:28]

highway:

that was 8 years ago...

[20:45:30]

MonMotha:

highway: they do, Dish just doesn't use thenm

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MonMotha:

DIsh uses proprietary conditional access

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kormoc:

highway, well, maybe if you save up 60,000 for two years and pay for it out of that... :P

[20:45:56]

xris:

and directv uses a completely proprietary signal format

[20:46:18]

MonMotha:

the thing I find funny is that Dish puts the DVB logo on their boxes!

[20:46:32]

xris:

MonMotha: it *is* dvb.. it's just a proprietary form of encryption

[20:46:42]

MonMotha:

xris: I know, but who CARES that it's DVB?

[20:46:52]

xris:

because there are plenty of FTA channels on their satellites

[20:47:15]

MonMotha:

last I checked only a couple propaganda channels ("subscribe to Dish!!!")

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** MonMotha checks lyngsat **

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highway:

in 03 when i started using myth i had directv... had to use all the IR crap... that was a pain in the ass

[20:48:57]

xris:

MonMotha: last I checked, one of them (or maybe it was a bellvu one) had dozens of local stations in FTA

[20:49:14]

xris:

I'll let you know as soon as cyberestore gets the dual bracket back in stock and I can actually TEST things.

[20:49:24]

MonMotha:

xris: I take that back...there's Discovery HD!

[20:49:32]

MonMotha:

and HBO HD West, apparently

[20:49:34]

MonMotha:

makes no sense

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_nero_:

highway, how can you call ir blaster/reciever/diy/soldering/lirc a pain in the ass??

[20:49:50]

eidolon:

what hdtv tuner should i be looking for for myth 0.19? or firewire bridge?

[20:49:52]

MonMotha:

Echostar 1 at 12.282GHz

[20:50:00]

xris:

MonMotha: oh? that's new.. and that's awesome. now I *really* want that bracket to get back in stock

[20:50:14]

xris:

eidolon: firewire is good if your cable box has it.

[20:50:23]

highway:

oh, not to mention i had to write my own lirc kernel driver that supported my usb streamzap thing alonside a diy ir blaster

[20:50:26]

MonMotha:

xris: if that's actually true, I may get a dish and a DVB-S tuner

[20:50:39]

MonMotha:

Discovery HD was the only reason I was contemplating digital cable

[20:50:46]

_nero_:

highway- it might as well be plug and play..

[20:50:54]

_nero_:

if thats all you needed to do.. ;)

[20:50:54]

highway:

daisychained firewire is great until they enable broadcast flags...

[20:50:57]

MonMotha:

it's MPEG4, so may be h.264 (probably is)

[20:51:34]

xris:

MonMotha: mpeg4?

[20:51:49]

MonMotha:

xris: that's what lyngsat lists it as

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gardengnome:

re

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MonMotha:

http://www.lyngsat.com/echo1.html

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xris:

weird. that's not dvb...

[20:52:05]

MonMotha:

xris: you can run mpeg4 over DVB

[20:52:10]

eidolon:

hm, i dont know if i even have a firewire port on my server.

[20:52:11]

highway:

i think i'm going to order one of those Twinhan Vision Plus 1025 cards... maybe i can get enough channels to make it worth moving.

[20:52:14]

lucas123:

hey. I'm going nuts trying to get mythweb to work again. it complains about db_* variables not being set. This seems indeed to be the case. $_SERVER{'db_server'] is empty. I chekced the usual suspects. have AllowOverride set to All, mod_env and mod_rewrite enabled. anybody have a clue what might be up?

[20:52:17]

eidolon:

i think it's getting mighty close to time to upgrade that motherboard :(

[20:52:45]

kormoc:

lucas123, did you set them in your .htaccess file?

[20:53:06]

lucas123:

yes. the values I have in my .htaccess file work when I use the mysql client program from that same host.

[20:53:23]

lucas123:

but it's not even trying to connect yet, so I guess that doesn't matter.

[20:53:31]

kormoc:

lucas123, you sure mod_env is enabled?

[20:53:36]

lucas123:

it's what phpinfo() says.

[20:54:03]

lucas123:

under "loaded modules".. I'm assuming that also means its enabled right?

[20:54:04]

MonMotha:

I wish there was a DCII FTA PCI tuenr

[20:54:06]

xris:

MonMotha: weird...

[20:54:09]

MonMotha:

in theory, some DVB cards should be able to do it

[20:54:25]

kormoc:

lucas123, phpinfo shows apache modules?

[20:54:43]

highway:

DCII?

[20:54:59]

lucas123:

kormoc: well at least it pretends it does.

[20:55:02]

MonMotha:

DigiCipher II

[20:55:16]

lucas123:

it's under the "apache2handler" section. (using php 4.4.2)

[20:55:23]

MonMotha:

it's fairly common in the USA, and, despite the name, does not (always) imply encryption

[20:55:38]

MonMotha:

it's similar to DVB. Same modulation schemes for the most part, but different FEC and PSIP type stuff

[20:55:59]

kormoc:

lucas123, so indeed it does, that's nifty. Now erm, your problem seems very strange then

[20:56:08]

MonMotha:

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the modern DVB-S tuners that are partially software defined could handle it

[20:56:08]

lucas123:

$_SERVER is not completely empty. it has stuff like DOCUMENT_ROOT, SERVER_ADMIN etc...

[20:56:20]

MonMotha:

supposedly starts west is in the clear?

[20:56:22]

lucas123:

my .htaccess variables just don't seem to be added.

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MonMotha:

*stars

[20:57:05]

MonMotha:

supposedly they have an entire mux of MPEG4 content that consists of basically every premium channel and Discovery HD that is not encrypted!?

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highway:

i used to do a lot of firmware coding... it shouldn't be very difficult to add support for that in those newer DVB-S cards

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highway:

i want a legal option to watch/record the major satelite providers content on my MythTV network though

[20:58:21]

kormoc:

lucas123, where do you have the allow override set?

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gardengnome:

lucas123: maybe you need.. see kormoc :)

[20:59:06]

MonMotha:

highway: I've not written that kind of firmware (DSP stuff)

[20:59:29]

MonMotha:

highway: the funny thing is that it's easier to steal dish network for PVR purposes than to get it legally...

[21:05:08]

lucas123:

kormoc, gardengnome: You're on the money. I completely missed my recent system upgrade expects its apache config file in a different place than before... thanks for the sanitycheck.

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kormoc:

that reminded me...

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m13a8:

does anyone here know why i'm getting this error: http://pastebin.ca/60773 or if it's a commen problem

[21:19:24]

xris:

m13a8: how did you install mythtv?

[21:19:55]

m13a8:

with sudo yum install mythtv-suite

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kormoc:

it's the standard SElinux error

[21:20:49]

m13a8:

any word on how it's fixed?

[21:21:06]

kormoc:

you can disable SElinux

[21:21:39]

kormoc:

or you can change the security context for the IDL

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kormoc:

m13a8, ooh?

[21:21:44]

m13a8:

oh

[21:21:45]

m13a8:

no it's not

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m13a8:

i changed it from enforcing to permissive

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m13a8:

yep that did the trick

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gardengnome:

anyone got a *good* url wrt (web) server security? i don't want to have my box exploited again :)

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stuarta:

don't connect it to the net?

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gardengnome:

stuarta: well, i'd have to call their user support then and ask them to disconnect it from the switch ;)

[21:35:11]

psofa:

do i have to do anything to tell myth how to look fot the eit?

[21:35:21]

psofa:

i mean do i have to tell it where the eit is etc?

[21:36:19]

stuarta:

gardengnome: hehe, but no, I don't know of any off the top of my head....

[21:36:35]

stuarta:

psofa: no, it 'just does it'

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gardengnome:

stuarta: k :) i'll have to use common sense and mighty google then

[21:37:01]

psofa:

stuarta, it just doesnt :p

[21:39:53]

stuarta:

psofa: hmmm, nothing at all? I assume you configured it to use the eit datasource?

[21:40:20]

psofa:

stuarta, thats what im sayong .i havent configured anythings

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psofa:

saying,anything

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Juski:

highway – fair nuff. I want a legal way to play dvds in linux, but it ain't gonna happen

[21:48:28]

stuarta:

psofa: you need to set the datasource to eit in myth setup

[21:48:50]

psofa:

stuarta, ah.ive forgot.ive alredy done that

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psofa:

:)

[21:49:07]

lucas123:

juski: you could pay for a licensed decoder.

[21:49:11]

psofa:

and i dont see any eit

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psofa:

however i dont know if i should

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psofa:

since ive tried dvb only on myth :P

[21:49:47]

Juski:

stuarta: I didn't AFAIK with the lastest SVN of a few days ago but it was coming in til I disabled useonairguide on my channels

[21:50:18]

stuarta:

psofa: depends a lot on your broadcaster. dvb-s is variable, dvb-t is country specific.

[21:51:30]

stuarta:

psofa: to test you can use either tv_grab_dvb or dvbsnoop

[21:52:03]

psofa:

kk

[21:52:07]

psofa:

t

[21:52:07]

psofa:

y

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Juski:

lucas123: I didn't know there was one for linux...

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gardengnome:

!trout Juski

[21:53:10]

** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

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** stuarta feels sorry for the trout **

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gardengnome:

yeah, i know. he's pretty smelly.

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** gardengnome hides **

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Juski:

lol

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stuarta:

!trout the trout

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** MythLogBot slaps the trout with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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Juski:

gonna head to bed I think. can't be pulling 3.30am finishes all the time..

[21:56:02]

Juski:

night all

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gardengnome:

he's getting old

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stuarta:

but I understand, I spend 3hrs a day travelling.. :(

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gardengnome:

ouch :/

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stuarta:

indeed. doesn't leave me much time....

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stuarta:

ooo, now that's a changeset....

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highway:

the new pcHDTV 5500 is setting on my front porch... i should leave work early... its low profile so it will fit in my tv computers

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MonMotha:

oh yeah, they made a new one

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MonMotha:

basically a 3000 in low profile and universal PCI, right?

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gardengnome:

"universal pci"?

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highway:

looks like a newer chipset

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MonMotha:

5V/3.3V

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MonMotha:

old was 5V only

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gardengnome:

ah, ok

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MonMotha:

well, the demodulator they were using was kinda old. Is it stil the cx88 family?

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MonMotha:

for the analog side and PCI bridge, that is

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highway:

yeah its cx88

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highway:

the drivers are like a week old though

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highway:

i just loaded them up on the box that i'm gonna stick the card in

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highway:

its based on the 5th gen LG ATSC receiver chip now

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MonMotha:

hopefully it'll handle multipath better

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b8zs:

ok i asked this last night but i was tired and didnt understand. Do I need X installed on my mythbackend?

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gardengnome:

b8zs: not necessarily. but you'll probably need xlibs for mythtv-setup

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psofa:

where was that thing in the docs saying about realtime priorities?

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kormoc:

psofa, <oh so helpful mode>It's in the docs!</oh so helpful mode>

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psofa:

:P

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psofa:

god damn i cant find it

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kormoc:

psofa, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.4

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psofa:

god damn

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psofa:

why is it "Manually building mythtv"

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kormoc:

You know, if you didn't curse at god, maybe he might make things easier to find for you in the future? :P

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psofa:

ive been thinking of that

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psofa:

im cursed

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psofa:

i always fall in bugs

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psofa:

i always cant find anything!

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psofa:

who cursed me ! god damn!

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Achew22:

Hello!

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kormoc:

gesundheit

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Achew22:

:D

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Achew22:

anyone tried Ubuntu 6.06LTS?

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gardengnome:

Achew22: yep. but not for mythtv :)

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Achew22:

does it have IVTV included?

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Achew22:

thats what I'm hoping for...

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

why would only a certain version of ubuntu have a package?

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Achew22:

5.10 didn't have ivtv by default and the package sucked so you were supposed to compile it

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Achew22:

I'm wondering if 6.06 will have IVTV working off the bat

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gardengnome:

apt-cache search ivtv just spits out some perl lib. but maybe multiverse has it.

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Achew22:

do you have x50s?

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gardengnome:

yes. but i use dapper drake on my server, not on my mythtv boxen (yet)

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Achew22:

ahh

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Achew22:

i'm going to install it them

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Achew22:

then*

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Achew22:

someone should make an oem install of ubuntu that has all that stuff in there

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Achew22:

maybe I will...

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gardengnome:

that sounds like fun!

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gardengnome:

maybe you should bug the knoppmyth guys about it, too :)

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psofa:

any tool to tweak my xvideo colours?

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bilbravo:

mythfilldatabase gives me the following output: http://pastebin.com/752458 Any ideas what would cause this? Not sure what search terms to use on the mailing list archive :-(

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Achew22:

gardengnome: knoppmyth should have gone to ubuntu long ago

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Achew22:

bilbravo your data source told you to come back later

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gardengnome:

Achew22: i believe they're thinking about it.

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Achew22:

there is a override i beleive (don't hold me to that) but I don't know what it is

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Achew22:

gardengnome: thats interesting — they should.... they should also open their forums up so that you don't need ausername to read articles!

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gardengnome:

Achew22: yep. i think their forums are only open to subscribers because of bandwidth issues. i'm not entirely sure, though

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bilbravo:

Achew22: but what is causing it? it does it over and over?

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bilbravo:

i can show you the output of mythbackend as well if that helps

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Achew22:

bilbravo datadirect doesn't want you on their servers right now

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bilbravo:

oh i thought it was MY server that was the problem

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Achew22:

gardengnome the most frustrating thing is that when I login it errors on my account and it wont let me make new ones — I end up using the cached version from google

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Achew22:

bilbravo yep — there is an override in mythfilldatabase

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Achew22:

execute mythfilldatabase --help

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bilbravo:

great, i'll check that out... thanks!

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Achew22:

I would help you but I don't have a working sysytem — i'm installing dapper drake right now

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Achew22:

damnit — i bought cheep cds that will only go 20x

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bilbravo:

heh

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bilbravo:

Achew22: i don't really see anything that jumps out at me, anything you remember in particular about this option?

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Achew22:

bilbravo I haven't ever had to do it. I think I saw someone talking about it before and they either executed some switch in the program or they went to the datadirect site and did something

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Achew22:

this is a fuzzy memory. to say the least

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bilbravo:

well i see options for files, so maybe i can download the xml somehow

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bilbravo:

thanks

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Achew22:

is it datadirect?

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bilbravo:

yeah

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Achew22:

hrm... I don't know if you can. worst case you can use XMLTV and do it that way. Thats WORST case

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Achew22:

I would sugest just waiting untill that time rolls around

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bilbravo:

wait...

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bilbravo:

labs.zap2it.com

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Achew22:

yeah — thats datadirect

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bilbravo:

oh ok

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Achew22:

do you have data yet? is this an update or a fresh thing?

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bilbravo:

i though tso, but i was beginning to feel a tinge of "i'm an idiot" come over me :-)

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bilbravo:

fresh thing

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bilbravo:

just installed today, signed up about 12 hours ago

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