Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, May 29th, 2006, 00:02 UTC

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bobc:

xris, are you still here?

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xris:

barely (walking out the door in 5 minutes)

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fatmatt:

heyas,

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fatmatt:

brief question, are most people using 0.19 at the moment?

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Juski:

possibly

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fatmatt:

aren there any bugs with the plugins that would cause me issues in upgrading, and ... are all the plugins available as debian packages? ...

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fatmatt:

I'm slightly paranoid about the amount of time an upgrade will take me...

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Kelerion:

svn here.. no problems found so far

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Juski:

back up the database before upgrading. You shouldn't experience any issues with the _official_ plugins

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Juski:

at least, not major ones :-)

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Juski:

hi Kelerion

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Kelerion:

none at all I don't think.. not given it a majot test yet though.. just the basics and theres nothing so far

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Kelerion:

heya :)

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Juski:

I've got svn back on the demo box. nothing major to report, thankfully. that dvb radio issue is still haunting me though. checking the dev list now

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Kelerion:

I got a brand new ariel installed the other day.. was testing it under windows but not getting any channels.. so went and bought a cheap freeview box.. and it was perfect.. tried it under linux but couldn't get the dvb modules loaded

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fatmatt:

anyway I can get a frontend running 0.19 to work with the 0.18 backend?

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Kelerion:

nope.. won't work

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Juski:

fatmatt: no way jose

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fatmatt:

thought so .. maybe I'll live without the frontent on the laptop.

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fatmatt:

but.. I need to upgrade at some stage.

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Kelerion:

I have it on my laptop with no problems

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Juski:

heh. applying #1873 now

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stevenfk:

hey, can someone send me a copy of the default .htaccess file in mythweb, rb57?

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stevenfk:

*r5b7

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Kelerion:

r5b7? is that a knoppix thing?

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Juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=

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Juski:

stevenfk: there you go... it might need a little tweaking for the DB stuff though

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Juski:

and next time, back the file up before mangling/deleting it ;-)

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stevenfk:

perfext, thanks!

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Juski:

wooo dvb radio worketh again!

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Kelerion:

Juski: any idea what this is about??: http://pastebin.com/743888

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|splat|:

so i think i figured out why mplayer won't compile with dvb...the configure script can't find DVB/ost/include and it wants me to specify, but I have no idea where it should be

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|splat|:

anyone know where this dir is?

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Juski:

Kelerion: do you also have a pvr card?

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Kelerion:

yup.. I tried rmmod'ing ivtv first too.. but that didn't do anything

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Kelerion:

unless it's conflicted at a lower level

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Juski:

Kelerion: some of the modules you need are common to both ivtv & v4l-dvb. you need to do some jiggering

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Juski:

... or just use a newer ivtv

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Juski:

when I installed ivtv here (0.4.2 I think) I made the modules (i.e. the ones other than ivtv itself) but I backed up the original v4l kernel ones – let the ivtv install script do its thang, then copied the original (vanilla v4l, not ivtv sourced) modules back

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Kelerion:

it's using 0.4.4

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Juski:

Kelerion: I dunno if 0.4.4 tries to make its own modules other than just the ivtv one

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asd26:

trying to get mythtv to fit perfectly onto my tv..anyone know the res for pal?

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Kelerion:

Juski: it's tveeprom.. I can just modprobe them in a different order by the looks of it

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Juski:

asd26: 720x576

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Juski:

Kelerion: cool

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asd26:

Juski i need to put that in mythtv video mode settings right

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Juski:

asd26: I recently used 800x600 with an overscan setting of about 12 in nvidia-settings – fitted the screen perfectly

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Kelerion:

Juski: do you have a link to a quick guide on getting a dvb card working then? tuning etc? never tried this

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asd26:

Juski where is the over scan option?

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|splat|:

anyone have any idea where this DVB/ost/include dir is supposed to be?

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Kelerion:

found it.. it's in the myth wiki.. lol

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Juski:

Kelerion: google for ethics gradient (believe it or not)

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asd26:

my setup screen fits ok at 800x600 but has slight black border

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Kelerion:

lol.. thanks

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Juski:

asd26: I don't believe you. I found it – and let me tell you it's not hard to find

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asd26:

Juski it's in nvidia driver settings?

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Juski:

there, and in the nvidia-settings program. you know – the one I mentioned a little bit previously

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asd26:

ok

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Juski:

in xorg.conf it's Option "TVOverscan" (google fer it)

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Juski:

or (shock!) read the nvidia docs!

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asd26:

cool didn't know nvidia released that seetings program

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Juski:

and if you want the same overscan settings every time you boot...

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Juski:

you can even run nvidia-settings -l

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Juski:

put that in your .xinitrc or something

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lawton:

is anyone up on the differences between the various hauppauge card levels?

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lawton:

they all seem about the same to me, the pvr 150 mce looking like the best value

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lawton:

i'm wondering if there's any reason to step up to the pvr 250 or 350 or 500

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GreyFoxx:

the 250 is not a step up, regardless of the numbenr :)

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GreyFoxx:

the 150 is the replacement for the 250

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lawton:

it's a step down then?

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Juski:

pvr350 is old and has an mpeg2 decoder as well as encoder

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GreyFoxx:

and the 500 is2 150's on one card

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GreyFoxx:

the 350 is a 250 + decoder/tvout

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lawton:

hrm

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GreyFoxx:

lawton: No, it's neither a step up or down. The 250 and the 150 are functionally equivalent

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lawton:

so the 350 has a hardware mpeg decoder?

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GreyFoxx:

they just learned how to make them cheaper and came out with the 150

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

but it's really not worth the money imho

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lawton:

hrm, is the quality any better with hardware decoding?

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GreyFoxx:

unless you are using something with really low CPU

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lawton:

it seems like a waste of money though, my cpu can decode just fine

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lawton:

heck it can probably encode and decode

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lawton:

but compatibility for the software only encoders seems harder to find

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GreyFoxx:

I don't see the value in the 350, I've compared it side by side to my regular setup and decided notto bother spending the money on it

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lawton:

so the 150 mce seems like a good value and it seems that everyone supports it

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GreyFoxx:

the 150 is the best bang forthe buck

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GreyFoxx:

and if you need higher density then the 500's

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lawton:

how does the 150 mce stack up vs the 150?

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lawton:

the 150's remote is sort of nice to have

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lawton:

but it not the greatest remote

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GreyFoxx:

that's basically the difference

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GreyFoxx:

one has a remote, one doesn't

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lawton:

yeah 150 mce also has more inputs

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lawton:

radio in, s-video in and rca in

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GreyFoxx:

1 fm radio

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lawton:

fm, not am?

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lawton:

still nice to have

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GreyFoxx:

fm

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GreyFoxx:

it might well do am

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lawton:

yeah i have a coax reciever lying around that is fm only

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GreyFoxx:

but I've never heard anyone mention

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lawton:

hrm

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lawton:

i wonder if i should return my wintv prv usb2

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lawton:

i'm having difficulty getting it work, it seems a lot less compatible than the pvr 150 mce

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lawton:

i thought the fact that it was USB would improve quality, since there's less of an issue of getting EM interference

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groogs_:

my music is all stored in "genre/artist – song title" or "genre/sub-genre/artist – song title" format.. how do I get that to show up in mythtv? If I tell it "GENRE / ARTIST – TITLE" then it shows the genres as folders (as expected), but the filenames are "0 – song title" or "2 – song title" (not really sure what the numbers mean, most are 0 though)

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lawton:

has anyone encountered EM interfernce issues?

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Kelerion:

oooh excellent.. I have a dvb stream :)

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lawton:

dvb?

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Kelerion:

ota digital in the uk

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** Kelerion backs up his db before trying to make this work in myth **

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asd26:

lol whats with this 300x400res..

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Juski:

yes Kelerion take note... mythtv lets you mix analogue & digital in one system ;-)

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Kelerion:

yeah yeah.. *I* know that! lol

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lawton:

has anyone used the wintv pvr usb2?

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lawton:

it seems about equal to the pvr 150 mce in most respects except that it is external

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lawton:

i'm wondering if the USB bus is a disadvantage in any way

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Juski:

yup

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Juski:

http://justiceforall.free.fr/pvrusb2.html

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lawton:

hmm

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AngryElf:

i enabled "monitor CD/DVD' in General settings, and i set the DVD player general settings to "play dvd" upon insertion....but it's not working, any ideas?

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lawton:

Juski: you have the pvr usb2?

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Juski:

lawton: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/USBVideo

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Juski:

personally I wouldn't touch any USB tuner with a shitty stick

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fatmatt:

Juski, same here, in my experience, usb doesn't seem reliable enough, maybe its the way I've set it up but I've always had issues transferring large files over usb and I don't think dvb / video would be any better.

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dscoular`:

lawton, PCI is preferred over USB... USB tuners take slightly longer to tune IMHO... I went with USB-2.0 only because I had no PCI slots left.

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Juski:

anyway – it's high time I was asleep

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Juski:

kelerion – watch out for that wiki – it's a little bit out of date re scanning ;-) otherwise good luck!

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Juski:

night all

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Kelerion:

thanks :)

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Kelerion:

it's working in myth now

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Juski:

nice

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Kelerion:

just need to get it recognising the ota guide

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Kelerion:

thanks for the help :)

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Juski:

tip...

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Juski:

make a new video source in mythtv-setup... it'll become clear on the setup page ;)

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Kelerion:

doing that now.. then trying the scan

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Juski:

then associate the dvb channels with that video source...

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Juski:

night

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asd26:

i wonder if mythtv would work on k6–450

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Kelerion:

g'night :)

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Kelerion:

anyone know if the "Use DishNet Long-term EIT Data" is relevant in the UK?

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fatmatt:

asd26, I had mythttv (way back at version 00.14 or somethign like that) running on a P450 ish I think, was fine, though it only had 1 analog tuner card and I didn't ask much from it.

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Agrajag-:

i wish our crappy dvb eit was actually useful

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** Kelerion is guessing it's not as it's talking about point at specific satellites **

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fatmatt:

Agrajag-, eit?

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Kelerion:

OTA EPG

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Agrajag-:

fatmatt: the guide broadcast with dvb

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fatmatt:

oh, that POS, you in Australia as well?

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Agrajag-:

yeah

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Agrajag-:

with "now" and "next" only

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Agrajag-:

im not sure why our stations are so protective of their guide data

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fatmatt:

did you see #nine are taking icetv to court?

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asd26:

lol i've really did it now

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asd26:

changed the res of mythtv now i can change it back

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Agrajag-:

fatmatt: haha really – i was under the impression icetv paid for their guide data

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fatmatt:

nahh, they get it more or less the same way that the tivo people do, compile it from public domain information.

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Agrajag-:

ah ok. but they redistribute it, i guess that's the problem

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Kelerion:

ok.. so when setting up the video source.. do I select the "Transmitted guide only (EIT)" option? or select the "United Kingdom" option and check the "Perform EIT SCan" checkbox??

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fatmatt:

my version of the conspiracy theory about it is that they have a vague idea (not a plan.. just a thought that they need to do something) for internet broadcast stuff and they don't want people to have another option. Maybe also something to do with the changes to the copyright act.

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fatmatt:

I used to grab the data from ninemsn, or one of its affiliated websites (I forget) that also had the other channels guides,

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asd26:

i need a cheap RGB to compoment cable

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Agrajag-:

fatmatt: i still use the ninemsn grabber

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lawton:

re

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lawton:

dscoular`: ah thanks for the tip

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lawton:

so USB tuners are slower and less responsive than PCI?

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lawton:

that's pretty crucial

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lawton:

however i wonder if i will have any interference issues with a PCI card

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dscoular`:

lawton, I use DVB-T which means interference is kinda all or nothing... if I get a good enough signal I get a digital stream. If I get a bad signal I get errors in the frames that appear as blocks.

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lawton:

dscoular`: oh, what part of the world are you in?

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dscoular`:

USB DVB-T tuners appear to require slightly longer usleeps to determine that they have locked on to the channel.

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dscoular`:

Not sure about analogue USB-2.0 tuners to be honest

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lawton:

hmm, i think the PVR USB 2 is analog

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lawton:

it seems that most people prefer PCI to usb though

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lawton:

have you had any problems with EMI?

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asd26:

my load is at 2.5 watching hd

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lawton:

2.5%?

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lawton:

nice, what kind of system?

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asd26:

TBird 1333 athlon 512SDRAM

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lawton:

1.33 GHz athlon?

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asd26:

41–43% for HD watching

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lawton:

nice

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asd26:

thats means i could copy two HD streams?

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asd26:

mythtv tv i think would run with 256meg now problems

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armand:

ehh i dunno

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armand:

256meg is kind of low

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armand:

personally, with .19-fixes i wouldnt use less than 1gig

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asd26:

i mean playing HD is only taking 18.6% of ram

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armand:

.18 was fine with 512, but my boxes swap too much with 512 in .19

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armand:

how long has mythfrontend/backend been running though

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asd26:

no idea now long

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Kazan:

ok a custom search – is there anyway to exclude the description?

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Kazan:

i want to search Title="World Cup Soccer", subtitle="*Germany*", exclude "Description"

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Kazan:

(And then two other schedules – one for USA matches and one for Brazil matches

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linagee:

mythtv deletes old program listing information? :(

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Kazan:

yes

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Kazan:

automatically

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linagee:

i guess the DB would get hellabig if it didn't.

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Kazan:

why would you want it?

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linagee:

Kazan: i just want to know if Dr Who was on Friday. :-P

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linagee:

heheh

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Kazan:

ah

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** Kazan is currently grappling with making recording schedules for the world cup **

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linagee:

i guess the DB would get hellabig if it didn't.

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linagee:

Kazan: what cup?

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Kazan:

World Cup....

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linagee:

Kazan: why does Mad TV never have a description?

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Kazan:

no clue

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linagee:

i guess each one doesn't really have a name.

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Kazan:

by not knowing about the world cup i must assume you're one of my less enlightened countrymen

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Kazan:

world cup as in soccer

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Kazan:

as in the one our national team is in yet again :P

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linagee:

Kazan: how do you even know we're even in the same country. :-P

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Kazan:

linagee is n=linagee@cpe-70-95-248-146.san.res.rr.com * linagee

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** linagee is in the country of RR. hail rr! **

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Kazan:

you couldn't have possibly missed the "Whole New Ballgame" comercial

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x2:

I've noticed mythtv provides a support for directfb ... does it it better for a slow computer ?

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Kazan:

almost certainly not

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Kazan:

the more offloading onto the video card for processing the better

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x2:

well, this is for avoid to install X ? :p

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Sebulba02:

good luck

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asd26:

720x576 50fps?

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Sebulba02:

I had a hard time configuring mythtv without X on my server

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Kazan:

install X x2

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x2:

well i did actually :p

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x2:

a bit laggy @ 550Mhz

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Kazan:

550 is too slow even for SDTV i bet

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x2:

well, i suppose too... i will just use it like a jukebox :p

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x2:

+xmame and watching movies .. and dvd player

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x2:

mplayer still own @ 550Mhz

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Kazan:

sweet

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Kazan:

power recording scheduling FTW

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asd26:

these HDTV specs are some confusiing

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Sebulba02:

reading the mailing list, huh?

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Kazan:

asd26: how so

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Kazan:

1920x1080 60fps 24bpp = HDTV

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Kazan:

ok afk again

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linagee:

Kazan: 550Mhz is enough for recording if you're using an mpeg2 card. :)

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linagee:

Kazan: my setup records video to mpeg 2, then automagically transcodes that to an even lower bitrate.

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Sebulba02:

I don't suppose anyone here has successfully streamed mpeg4 files on amd64?

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x2:

linagee, sorry to ask like a noob :D

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linagee:

Sebulba02: streamed?

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linagee:

Sebulba02: most computers can stream/play mpeg4...

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Sebulba02:

linagee: I'm finding mplayer/mencoder are handling it quite badly.

[03:05:53]

linagee:

Sebulba02: did you mean stream/encode? what recording card? how much memory? speed?

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x2:

linagee, have u heard about live/rtsp ?

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linagee:

x2: wtf? rtsp?

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linagee:

x2: why use a protocol nobody's heard of

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linagee:

x2: use mpeg4. it's been out a long time. will continue to exist in 5–10 years

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Sebulba02:

linagee: plextor px-402U , dual opteron 242 @ 1.6Ghz each, 2G PC3200

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linagee:

Sebulba02: *shrug*

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x2:

cause my internet provider give us mpeg2 for watch tv

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Sebulba02:

linagee: the problem is, I take that and I play it over nfs with mplayer

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linagee:

x2: huh? which provider?

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x2:

FREE :D

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Sebulba02:

it handles it sometimes, but it mangles it sometimes... and others mencoder can't even convert it properly

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x2:

free.fr ... france

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Sebulba02:

so I was wondering if maybe streaming the video might work better

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x2:

there is a 'patch' actualy for mythtv to record/watch rtsp

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linagee:

Sebulba02: win32 mplayer over samba works for me

[03:08:19]

linagee:

Sebulba02: i like to keep the tv watching in windows.

[03:08:44]

Sebulba02:

ah, only windows box here is a gaming box which isn't on all the time

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linagee:

Sebulba02: let linux do the backend hard work like encoding, file serving, etc.

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x2:

linagee, well my asking is if i wana record it ? does a 550 enough ? (i duno if is possible to write it directly)

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MonMotha:

hum, MythTV reports that my ATSC tuner (using DVB) never gets a lock. I know it works fine as I've pulled entire transport streams off of it and they look great. It's cable, so things shouldn't vary. dvbtraffic shows a data rate profile consistant with the mux I expect to be tuned to when MythTV is trying to use ti

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MonMotha:

it just sits there saying partial lock, though. Any ideas?

[03:26:07]

MonMotha:

hum, it works on SD channels (though it takes FOREVER) and it does say lock

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MonMotha:

HD it just sits there forever. I know the system is at least fast enough to give HD a go (I can play 720p entirely in software with about 95% CPU utilization and 1080i with XvMC with about 50–60%)

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dscoular`:

MonMotha, doest azap take longer to get FE_HAS_LOCK on HD than SD ?

[03:47:19]

MonMotha:

dscoular: not at all, and I have a possible reason

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MonMotha:

delving through the debug messages tossed out by mythbackend

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MonMotha:

2006-05–28 23:41:35.743 TVRec(4): ATSC channel: 1008_198

[03:48:14]

MonMotha:

2006-05–28 23:41:38.030 Could not find channel 1008_198 in CVCT

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MonMotha:

Channel #0 name(WFYIH) 1008–710 mod(SCTE mode 2) cTSID(0x25) ...

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MonMotha:

it would appear that it should be looking for 1008_710, not 1008_198?

[03:49:36]

MonMotha:

where is that controlled? I can't find a place that controls that particular thing (it's probably stored in another format, and that's the "prettified" version)

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MonMotha:

I'm used to doing OTA, but cable is more reliable than hoping the antenna hasn't been bumpted

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MonMotha:

*bumped

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dscoular`:

MonMotha, sorry I can't give more of a clue... I'm using DVB-T is Oz

[03:51:22]

MonMotha:

yeah, this appears to be a "delve into the depths of MythTV's OpenCable support" (OpenCable being very not open, of course)

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MonMotha:

is there a way to set the PIDs to rip out of the TS manually? I know them, and they never change

[03:54:00]

MonMotha:

I can tell you that MythTV has some really unreasonable expectations about the tuning speed of the card in terms of initial tuning timeouts, but this doesn't appear to be that problem. I just find it odd that my one SD channel does work fine

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MonMotha:

I also can't get it to import channels.conf correctly

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MonMotha:

(or at all)

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dscoular`:

and this is 0.19-fixes svn ?

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MonMotha:

hum, this is whatever the debian unstable mdz package is. Were there significant DVB changes after 0.19 was released?

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dscoular`:

yes

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dscoular`:

I encouraged Danielk to mimic more accurately the usleeps used in tzap.

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dscoular`:

Now the code has evolved beyond my suggestions and the tuning code is unrecognisable.

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dscoular`:

I'd give 0.19-fixes svn a whirl

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MonMotha:

well, the tuning speed thing only seems to be an issue during scans since it doesn't let the tuner settle before moving on

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MonMotha:

I know it's definately tuning the tuner correctly as dvbtraffic shows meaningful data

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dscoular`:

0.19-fixes svn you can up the timeouts for tuning

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MonMotha:

this seems to be it not pickign the right program int he mux (and inf act picking one that doens't exist)

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MonMotha:

which is a problem with it misinterpreting the program tables

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dscoular`:

yes... danielk has done a lot of work in these areas

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MonMotha:

ok

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MonMotha:

it's just sometimes difficult to debianize the cvs (well, now subversion I guess) trees

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MonMotha:

especially when it often doesn't fix anything

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dscoular`:

I don't bother packaging... I just compile from source and install in a seperate location.

[04:00:14]

MonMotha:

I could do that, but then you end up with things all over the place. I guess mythtv would be a candidate for /opt

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MonMotha:

keeping track of things in /usr/local can be difficult

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dscoular`:

Yeah... /opt sounds like a possibility

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MonMotha:

the issue is convincing it to make a sensible tree there

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dscoular`:

I think you.d just need to add /opt/mythtv/lib /etc/ld.so.conf

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dscoular`:

and /opt/mythtv/bin to your path

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MonMotha:

there's tons of ways to do it. That I can deal with

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MonMotha:

I'm just curious if there have actually been any changes to the ATSC cable code

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MonMotha:

if not, it's pointless to spend the hour or so that it takes to build mytht

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MonMotha:

v

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dscoular`:

svn.mythtv.org should let you see the annotated changes

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dscoular`:

although driving it can be a pain

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MonMotha:

I noticed...

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MonMotha:

you know, I'm not sure there's a single comment in this codebase...

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i686:

coders_nightmare++;

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MonMotha:

no, this is C++: this.nighmare = ++coders.nightmare

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MonMotha:

or something to that effect (I presume C++ uses this...)

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dscoular`:

MonMotha, I heard they are starting to try and at least use doxygen or something similar to autogenerate api docs... but you are right the lack of comments is a shocker

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MonMotha:

dscoular: I'm trying to just find the code that generates the log messages I'm looking at and I can't

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MonMotha:

my lack of C++ is also a pain, fortuntely it's similar enough to straight C and Java that I can manage

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dscoular`:

what's the log message you are trying to find. Perhaps, I can help.

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MonMotha:

2006-05–29 00:03:21.255 TVRec(4): ATSC channel: 1008_201

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MonMotha:

2006-05–29 00:03:21.256 DTVSM(0)::SetChannel(1008, 201):

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MonMotha:

the first one, which leads tot he second one

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MonMotha:

the 201 is wrong, it should be 713 to get the correct virtual channel

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dscoular`:

tv_rec.cpp

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MonMotha:

where's that at, though? :)

[04:21:00]

MonMotha:

libmythtv, probably, I guess

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MonMotha:

yeah

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dscoular`:

lib/libmythtv/tv_rec.cpp:line 1602

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dscoular`:

s/lib/libs

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dscoular`:

So channel->GetMinorChannel is dishing the wrong dirt

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MonMotha:

yup

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MonMotha:

so I guess it's the bottom 8 bits of atscsrcid?

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dscoular`:

Seems to get it from the channel table in mysql mythconverg

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MonMotha:

aha

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MonMotha:

the seem to never expect the bottom part to go over 255

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MonMotha:

because it's only 8 bits

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dscoular`:

my channel table doesn't have an atscsrcid so I don't know the field type.

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dscoular`:

oh strike that it does

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dscoular`:

it's int(11)

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MonMotha:

yeah

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MonMotha:

the bottom 8 bits are used for hte monitor and the rest is the major

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MonMotha:

I dunno if that's ATSC standard or some person's oddball way of packing the data into the DB

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MonMotha:

s/monitor/minor/

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dscoular`:

you know more than me... ATSC is US-centric I fear

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MonMotha:

dscoular: USA, Canada, and South Korea pretty much, yeah

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MonMotha:

it derrives some stuff from DVB, but the VCTs are all different

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MonMotha:

I guess there's an easy enough way to fix it, too bad it requires a recompile and a DB schema change

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dscoular`:

line 536 of channel.cpp looks like what you are after perhaps.

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MonMotha:

no, the issue is that they're packing the ATSC minor channel number into 8 bits, but the minor channel being used is > 255

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MonMotha:

however, that may be a bug somewhere else. I don't know the ATSC spec well enough to know. I wouldn't be suprised if they only allow 8 bit minor channels

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dscoular`:

I'm gonna sniff out atsc.org

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MonMotha:

good luck...there's so many specs on there i don't even know which one is relevant

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dscoular`:

Probably, easier just to post your concerns to the mythtv-dev list.

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MonMotha:

I guess

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MonMotha:

because yeah, 713 & 0xFF = 0xC9 = 201

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MonMotha:

so that is definately what's happening. The question is which end the bug lies on: the packing or the VCT parsing

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MonMotha:

I'm trying to find the VCT parser

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dscoular`:

looks like you are officially allowed 1 through 999 (0 is reserved from NTSC)

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dscoular`:

http://www.atsc.org/faq/faq_psip.html

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MonMotha:

ok, then it's definately a bug in the packing

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MonMotha:

thought hat may be different on cable...

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dscoular`:

Although data services are supposed to be > 100

[04:38:52]

dscoular`:

So maybe they are ASSuMEing that the broadcasts are <= 100

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MonMotha:

well, it just says that data services must be > 100, doesn't say that you can't put TV there

[04:38:59]

MonMotha:

exactly

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dscoular`:

sure

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MonMotha:

and this is cable, so they may be breaking the rules anyway

[04:39:16]

MonMotha:

doesn't mean you shoudln't be compatible

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dscoular`:

hee hee

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MonMotha:

what I want to know is why they didn't just use two freaking DB columns

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MonMotha:

major and minor. why pack it?

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dscoular`:

dunno, we have a different standard down here

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MonMotha:

you guys don't use major/minor channels?

[04:41:21]

MonMotha:

dscoular: do you know if you have to be subscribed to the mythtv-dev list to post? or will people CC you?

[04:42:47]

dscoular`:

if your not subscribed it goes to the list moderator

[04:43:18]

dscoular`:

You could also pop your head above the parapet on #mythtv but usually you just get slapped back here ;)

[04:45:21]

dscoular`:

I don't begin to know our standard. seems to use frequency primarily.

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MonMotha:

ah, we have this whole thing going to try and do transitional things

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MonMotha:

we still have all the analog stuff up, so everybody has their digital on another UHF channel (or, very rarely VHF)

[04:47:02]

MonMotha:

so they alias their stuff to make it "look like" they're still on their old (often VHF) legacy channel

[04:47:13]

MonMotha:

so like 23–1 here is actually on channel 32

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MonMotha:

funny thing is that when they turn off the analog in about 1000 years, they're going to mostly be staying on their new channels (mostly since the VHF bands are supposed to eventually be retired back into other uses), but their OLD channel numbers

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MonMotha:

so it'll be all fscked up

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MonMotha:

and yup, the reason my SD channel just "happens" to work is because it's on minor 244 :)

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MonMotha:

which is decidedly less than 255

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dscoular`:

hee hee... excellent detective work, holmes

[04:51:23]

MonMotha:

holy hell memory leak...

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MonMotha:

mythfrontend was definately using >800MB of RAM there

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dscoular`:

eek

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MonMotha:

I guess it doesn't like ahving the backedn ctl+c'd from under it :)

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VlivE:

?

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VlivE:

where is this kept in myth? sc.ScCaps

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MonMotha:

dscoular: if you guys don't use minor channel numbers, how do you handle multiple programs within the same mux on a frequency?

[05:16:32]

dscoular`:

As I said, I really don't know about our standard. I just scanned and it worked. transportid and networkid seem to be the differentiators.

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MonMotha:

hum, ok

[05:18:56]

MonMotha:

like if you want to watch a certian channel, what do you push on your remote?

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MonMotha:

and my XvMC isn't working...grr

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MonMotha:

it's just not using it

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dscoular`:

xdpyinfo |grep XVideo-MotionCompensation

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dscoular`:

then you have to enable it in one of the settings screens within mythfrontend.

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MonMotha:

yeah, it's set to Standard XvMC

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dscoular`:

having added --enable-xvmc to the config option

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MonMotha:

and it's just not usin git

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MonMotha:

yeah, I didn't build it (am I the ONLY person in here who doesn't run Gentoo?), but it's linked against the xvmc libs

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dscoular`:

hmm, worked for me on 0.19-fixes svn... but then I turned it off coz I didn't need it

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MonMotha:

that said, the maintainer of this package has been known to disable it

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dscoular`:

heh, I run gentoo

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VlivE:

where in myth is this? sc.ScCaps

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MonMotha:

yeah, it's kinda required for HD

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MonMotha:

I can do 720p without it, but not 1080i

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dscoular`:

but I didn't use an ebuild and I only have SD

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MonMotha:

my X server definately has the extension

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dscoular`:

VlivE, I don't know what you are talking about... sorry can you give some more explanation.

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MonMotha:

and it's in the menu, so I presume it was built with it enabled

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MonMotha:

when it upgraded the DB schema, it added that table

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dscoular`:

does mythfrontend --verbose all give you anything

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MonMotha:

looksl ike it's using plain Xv. is there anything I can grep for (or at least what -v option would that appear under)?

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dscoular`:

I'd do -v all and grep -i xvmc

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MonMotha:

yeah

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MonMotha:

looks like it's trying a bunch of XvMC ports then giving up

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dscoular`:

what are the errors perhaps I can google em

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MonMotha:

no errors that I can see. Just a whole bunch of trying various XvMC ports then it jsut up and decides to use Xv with no explaination

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dscoular`:

I think this was something to do with XvMCwrapper or somesuch

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dscoular`:

X shipped with a missing config for XvMC wrapper

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MonMotha:

ah, yes

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MonMotha:

it does mention that. Is that required?

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dscoular`:

Depends on your version of X I guess.

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MonMotha:

often things will just use defaults, but I guess that could be required

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MonMotha:

it's the X11R7 xorg modular build

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dscoular`:

ah... that might be the one that had the problem.

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dscoular`:

mines older

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MonMotha:

hum, looksl ike I may be missing a library, actually

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MonMotha:

it would be nice if it didn't silently fail (well, you can turn on excessive verbosity to get some hints, but still) though

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VlivE:

ok can you answer this

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VlivE:

how to you uses this vdr2mythtv.pl

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VlivE:

to convert a vdr channels.conf to myth channel format?

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MonMotha:

hum, nope. It's still falling back onto Xv

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MonMotha:

I even have an xvmcconfig now

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MonMotha:

and it no longer complains about it being missing

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Snack_Mage:

has anybody used the Antec Overture II case? I've read a few reviews some say good some say bad, I'd like to know what you guys think

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dscoular`:

MonMotha, is this an NVidia card ?

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MonMotha:

dscoular: yes, using the latest drivers (which the Wiki indicated should be fine)

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dscoular`:

what did you put in the config file for xvmcconfig

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MonMotha:

debian actually shipped one, just in the newer place (and myth seems to have hard coded the old location)

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MonMotha:

libXvMC.so.1

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MonMotha:

using libXvMCW.so.1 segfaults myth :(

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MonMotha:

so I presume that's for something else

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dscoular`:

isn't that the wrapper library itself... I think you told the wrapper to use the wrapper to use the wrapper ;)

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MonMotha:

yeah, that would explain the problems, I guess :)

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MonMotha:

figured it wouldn't likely hurt anything to try :)

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laga:

morning

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laga:

!seen beirdo

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MythLogBot:

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laga:

humm. 2days, huh?

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sphing:

!seen sphin

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MythLogBot:

sphin has not been seen here

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sphing:

!seen sphing

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MythLogBot:

sphing is here and has been idle for 0 seconds

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AlmtyBob:

is mythtv over tightvnc possible?

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AlmtyBob:

on a LAN

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dscoular:

AlmtyBob, it might just be watchable, but what about audio ? You'd probably be better to look at streaming with vlc from videolan.org.

[08:00:47]

AlmtyBob:

hmm, I was thinking of just transcoding to xvid

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AlmtyBob:

I kinda hate the frontend interface anyways

[08:01:13]

AlmtyBob:

but, I did "make install" on nuvexport, but I when I try to run nuvexport, it gives me errors 8(

[08:02:30]

AlmtyBob:

"can't locate Date/Manip.pm in @INC and a bunch of paths

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tfm:

yum install perl-DateManip

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tfm:

this will solve your issue

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AlmtyBob:

doh, no handy package for it in ubuntu

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dscoular:

perl -MCPAN -e shell

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dscoular:

then: install Date::Manip

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AlmtyBob:

what's tha tdo?

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AlmtyBob:

ah

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dscoular:

perl has it's own equivalent of yum, it's called CPAN

[08:10:40]

AlmtyBob:

asking me if I want to configure

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dscoular:

you do

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AlmtyBob:

...I have to have lynx installed?

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dscoular:

no

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AlmtyBob:

it's asking me where it's at, I went ahead and installed it anyways

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dscoular:

it's asking you because it will try various methods to fetch modules

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AlmtyBob:

how about "ncftpget"?

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AlmtyBob:

oh ok

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dscoular:

again, just hit return

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dscoular:

the only part of the config that's important is specifying the mirror you will fetch modules from.

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dscoular:

Choose one local to your country with a fast connection from the list

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dscoular:

othrwise all the defaults are fine

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AlmtyBob:

doh, mkdir /usr/local/lib/perl: Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.8/ExtUtils/Install.pm line 112

[08:16:03]

AlmtyBob:

should I have run this as root?

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dscoular:

yes

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dscoular:

sorry forgot to mention that

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AlmtyBob:

np, shoulda figured

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AlmtyBob:

got it ALMOST working

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dscoular:

It will ask you all the questions again

[08:17:17]

AlmtyBob:

the Datemanip part is fixed, thanks I would have never figured that out

[08:17:24]

AlmtyBob:

nah actually it didn't

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AlmtyBob:

oddly enough

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Hoxzer:

what g++ version is recomended to compile mythtv?

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dscoular:

did you "su root" ?

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dscoular:

instead of "su – root" ?

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AlmtyBob:

but now there's: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'basename' in 'field list' at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/mythtv/recordings.pm line 67.

[08:17:47]

AlmtyBob:

No valid recordings found!

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AlmtyBob:

I sudo'd (ubuntu)

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dscoular:

you are using a nuvexport that does not match your version of mythtv

[08:18:40]

AlmtyBob:

kill me in the head

[08:18:58]

AlmtyBob:

I <3 ubuntu and all, but everything about this has been a goddamned production 8)

[08:19:08]

dscoular:

Hoxzer, don't think it matters too much.

[08:19:14]

AlmtyBob:

from my 3 hour extra hard drive install, to random AMD64 issues, oh well

[08:19:23]

AlmtyBob:

how do I uninstall nuvexport?

[08:19:32]

AlmtyBob:

I installed with "make install"

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dscoular:

you don't need to uninstall it

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AlmtyBob:

or can I magically upgrade somehow?

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dscoular:

just install a newer version over the top

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dscoular:

I'm assuming it didn't show up in apt-cache search

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Hoxzer:

dscoular: I was just wondering because I had 3.3 and I get "segmentation errors" all the time

[08:20:26]

dscoular:

so you installed it by hand

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AlmtyBob:

I got the latest from forevermore

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AlmtyBob:

right

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dscoular:

AlmtyBob, what version of mythtv

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dscoular:

Hoxzer, it's unlikely to be the compiler

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AlmtyBob:

sorry to be an idiot, but how do I figure that out?

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dscoular:

mythbackend --version

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AlmtyBob:

0.18.1.20050510–1

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Hoxzer:

dscoular: :(((

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dscoular:

ha!

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AlmtyBob:

hey, that looks old

[08:22:12]

dscoular:

ancient, but very stable, history

[08:22:12]

AlmtyBob:

8/

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Hoxzer:

WHAt can I doo babee what can I doo UUH yeaah

[08:22:18]

AlmtyBob:

I hate ubuntu

[08:22:29]

Hoxzer:

AlmtyBob: why?

[08:22:30]

AlmtyBob:

I think I installed that version for a reason, but hell if I know why

[08:22:42]

AlmtyBob:

everything is just a little different in ubuntu

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Hoxzer:

;) (;

[08:22:59]

AlmtyBob:

when I asked around saying I was making a mythtv box and asking for a distribution I got the standard "distribution doesn't matter"

[08:23:11]

dscoular:

Surely there is a 0.19-fixes for ubuntu

[08:23:13]

AlmtyBob:

turns out gentoo and a few others are MUCH easier for mythtv

[08:23:24]

Hoxzer:

>:D 0.19-fixes crashes for me

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Hoxzer:

and I have no idea why

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dscoular:

AlmtyBob, I run gentoo but I wouldn't say it's easy

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AlmtyBob:

then I ask if AMD64 or i-386 makes a difference "nope", so I install AMD64 and have to reinstall after a bunch of crap doesn't work 8/

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dscoular:

it's for unix snobs like me ;)

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AlmtyBob:

dscoular: I'm not completely stupid, but I read a bunch of tutorials and had some help from here and there and it took me damn near 3 days to setup

[08:24:14]

AlmtyBob:

issue after issue after issue

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AlmtyBob:

</venting>

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Hoxzer:

AlmtyBob: install Knoppmyth ^^ easy, even I could get my box "almost work"

[08:24:39]

AlmtyBob:

yah see now I hear about stuff like Knoppmyth

[08:24:48]

dscoular:

AlmtyBob, I find fedora has the most active support.

[08:24:51]

AlmtyBob:

after I have a ubuntu box up with a ton of different servers all configured like I like them 8(

[08:24:55]

dscoular:

All are problematic

[08:25:05]

AlmtyBob:

yah, nature of the beast

[08:25:09]

Hoxzer:

HWwhooowhooo IS she's buying the stair way to heaven

[08:25:13]

Hoxzer:

there is sign on the wall

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dscoular:

Hoxzer, are you talking about the backend or frontend

[08:25:20]

Hoxzer:

but she wants to be sure

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Hoxzer:

dscoular: backend

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Hoxzer:

becouse sometimes words have two meaning

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dscoular:

ok you can generate a backtrace a la the howto

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Hoxzer:

what song btw

[08:25:49]

dscoular:

Stairway

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Hoxzer:

^^

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AlmtyBob:

hahaha, I kept "su mythtv" and "su almtybob" back and forth

[08:26:36]

AlmtyBob:

not realizing that kept the other shell alive, so I had to type exit 15 times (guess I coulda just closed putty but I thought it was kinda funny)

[08:26:54]

dscoular:

AlmtyBob, maybe two windows would be the go ;)

[08:27:02]

AlmtyBob:

yah

[08:27:11]

AlmtyBob:

I have two vncs open too, just decided to use putty for some reason

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dscoular:

I wouldn't give up on ubuntu yet

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AlmtyBob:

oh and right after I get all my servers up and running

[08:27:30]

AlmtyBob:

my work starts to firewall outbound ports

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AlmtyBob:

and for some reason I can't even ssh in over port 21, but I can ftp in if I set it up

[08:28:10]

AlmtyBob:

no more remote desktop, vnc, irc, or even ssh from work 8(

[08:28:51]

AlmtyBob:

I'm not giving up on ubuntu, I may bitch but every other server/app I've setup OTHER than mythtv has gone fine and I'm happy

[08:29:06]

AlmtyBob:

got 1.5tbs of porn and movies served up

[08:29:52]

** dscoular wonders who cares **

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AlmtyBob:

8(

[08:30:19]

AlmtyBob:

no one, that's why I sit at home and watch porn at night instead of going out 8/

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dscoular:

I can help you try and install mythtv 0.19-fixes svn from source.

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dscoular:

depends how attached you are to your 0.18.1 syste

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AlmtyBob:

not very

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AlmtyBob:

as long as it doesn't bork anything

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dscoular:

depends what you mean by "bork"... have you got recordings made with 0.18.1 that you care about

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AlmtyBob:

nope

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AlmtyBob:

btw, if I want to upgrade to mysql 5 do I do it before or after updating mythtv?

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AlmtyBob:

or does it matter?

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dscoular:

mysql 5 support is early days with myth I would not recommend it

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AlmtyBob:

ugh 8/

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AlmtyBob:

no stored procedures or nested queries for me then 8)

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dscoular:

it depends what your trying to build here... I can help you with mythtv

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AlmtyBob:

sudo apt-get install gopher

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AlmtyBob:

err sorry, wrong window

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AlmtyBob:

dscoular: yah mythtv would be nice

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AlmtyBob:

if you have the time

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dscoular:

ok first stop mysql /etc/init.d/mysql stop

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AlmtyBob:

k

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dscoular:

now we'll back up your current mysql mythconverg database just in case we want to revert back

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AlmtyBob:

ok

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dscoular:

tar cjvf /root/mythtv-0.18-myql.tbz2 /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg

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dscoular:

s/myql/mysql/

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dscoular:

now we can get the latest svn 0.19-fixes using these commands:

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dscoular:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-19-fixes/mythtv

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AlmtyBob:

I think I have o install svn

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dscoular:

apt-get install subversion

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dscoular:

what capture cards do you have by the way ?

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AlmtyBob:

pvr500

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AlmtyBob:

hauppauge

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AlmtyBob:

x1

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dscoular:

sweet

[08:39:33]

AlmtyBob:

heh, not really

[08:39:38]

AlmtyBob:

cost me twice as much as tuner 0 doesn't work

[08:39:45]

AlmtyBob:

sound comes out all scratchy, but that's besides the point 8)

[08:39:51]

AlmtyBob:

known issue I think

[08:40:07]

AlmtyBob:

svn is downloading

[08:40:09]

dscoular:

hmm, bugger I used to have pvr-350 till I went DVB-T

[08:40:12]

AlmtyBob:

err, downloading the fixes

[08:40:20]

dscoular:

sweet

[08:40:24]

AlmtyBob:

wow that's a lot of files

[08:40:36]

AlmtyBob:

done

[08:40:55]

dscoular:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . /mythplugins

[08:41:05]

AlmtyBob:

btw, where'd it put all those files?

[08:41:09]

dscoular:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-19-fixes/myththemes

[08:41:16]

dscoular:

in your current working directory

[08:41:33]

AlmtyBob:

k

[08:41:38]

AlmtyBob:

downloading plugins

[08:41:50]

dscoular:

by the end of this you should have 3 directories

[08:41:59]

AlmtyBob:

yah looks good so far

[08:42:02]

dscoular:

mythtv, mythplugins and myththemes

[08:42:12]

dscoular:

are you root ?

[08:42:22]

AlmtyBob:

sudo

[08:42:36]

dscoular:

cool: cd mythtv

[08:42:43]

dscoular:

what video card do you have

[08:42:58]

AlmtyBob:

hmm, dunno, old ass pci, but for what it's worth it's a headless box

[08:43:03]

AlmtyBob:

there's never a monitor plugged in

[08:43:13]

dscoular:

so you don't care about TV out ?

[08:43:17]

AlmtyBob:

nope

[08:43:19]

dscoular:

cool

[08:43:34]

dscoular:

./configure --help

[08:43:48]

AlmtyBob:

./404

[08:43:53]

AlmtyBob:

err, no such file

[08:44:00]

AlmtyBob:

nm, I'm an idiot

[08:44:04]

dscoular:

:)

[08:44:13]

AlmtyBob:

I have /mythtv for my recordings and such

[08:44:18]

AlmtyBob:

k

[08:44:22]

AlmtyBob:

what opeints am I looking for?

[08:44:22]

dscoular:

now look at the options that start with --enable-

[08:44:35]

AlmtyBob:

that was the greatest typo I've ever made

[08:44:38]

AlmtyBob:

ok

[08:44:47]

AlmtyBob:

xvmc, opengl, directx, directfb

[08:44:52]

dscoular:

you probably don't need to enable any of them... but these are the ones that youcan enable.

[08:45:03]

dscoular:

So lets go with the KISS principle...

[08:45:16]

dscoular:

lets run "./configure"

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dscoular:

This will default to placing everything in /usr/local

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AlmtyBob:

doh

[08:45:43]

AlmtyBob:

must have lame mp3

[08:45:49]

dscoular:

apt-get install lame

[08:45:58]

AlmtyBob:

already did it

[08:46:01]

AlmtyBob:

same error

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dscoular:

apt-get install lame-devel

[08:46:52]

dscoular:

apt-get build-dep mythtv

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AlmtyBob:

sec

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AlmtyBob:

no such package @ lame-devel

[08:47:30]

dscoular:

try the build-dep one

[08:47:30]

AlmtyBob:

I'll search the package manager

[08:47:38]

dscoular:

nah try the build-dep one

[08:47:45]

AlmtyBob:

oh

[08:48:11]

AlmtyBob:

I hope there wasn't a good reason I was using that old version

[08:48:16]

AlmtyBob:

I'm really forgetful 8/

[08:48:39]

AlmtyBob:

k

[08:48:42]

AlmtyBob:

built the deps

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dscoular:

./configure

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dscoular:

any joy ?

[08:49:03]

AlmtyBob:

worked

[08:49:08]

AlmtyBob:

sec let me read output for a sec

[08:49:14]

AlmtyBob:

k

[08:49:16]

dscoular:

sweet

[08:49:26]

dscoular:

now do: qmake mythtv.pro

[08:49:41]

dscoular:

how many cpus in this box ?

[08:49:43]

AlmtyBob:

that was quick...nngn?

[08:49:47]

AlmtyBob:

1, amd64

[08:49:51]

dscoular:

quick is fine

[08:49:53]

AlmtyBob:

3000+

[08:50:03]

dscoular:

now do this : make

[08:50:19]

AlmtyBob:

crap, pry should have sudo'd that

[08:50:22]

AlmtyBob:

we'll see

[08:50:30]

asd26:

i need no-ip thing going to access my box from the internet

[08:50:45]

AlmtyBob:

asd26: www.dyndns.org

[08:51:34]

dscoular:

AlmtyBob, just do sudo /bin/bash

[08:51:38]

asd26:

AlmtyBob i used no-ip before

[08:52:04]

dscoular:

asd26, I use a couple so I'm not dependant on a single service

[08:52:31]

AlmtyBob:

I wish I could use dyndsn to get around my work's firewall

[08:52:48]

AlmtyBob:

my isp doesn't let me accept incoming port 80 connections, and my work doesn't have many other ports than 80 open outbound

[08:53:10]

dscoular:

you can port forward through port 80 with ssh

[08:53:39]

dscoular:

anyway, lets focus on one thing at a time...

[08:53:40]

AlmtyBob:

on the server side?

[08:53:43]

AlmtyBob:

still compiling

[08:54:32]

dscoular:

you could have your external server listen on port 80 too

[08:54:49]

AlmtyBob:

sorry, what external server?

[08:54:54]

AlmtyBob:

you mean like dyndns?

[08:55:09]

dscoular:

AlmtyBob, the ssh server you are trying to reach

[08:55:23]

AlmtyBob:

my isp blocks all incoming port 80 requests

[08:55:32]

AlmtyBob:

the ssh server is here at my place

[08:55:45]

dscoular:

oh my good giddy... get a new isp ;)

[08:55:56]

AlmtyBob:

I can understand why they do it

[08:56:02]

AlmtyBob:

and it's a fantastic ISP otherwise

[08:56:21]

AlmtyBob:

9mbit, they haven't complained that I'm 677 gigs over their cap so far this year, etc

[08:56:39]

dscoular:

so do they allow any incoming ports ?

[08:56:54]

AlmtyBob:

sure, everything but 80 and 25

[08:57:08]

AlmtyBob:

err 80 incoming and 25 outbound I think it is

[08:57:30]

AlmtyBob:

(still compiling)

[08:58:47]

AlmtyBob:

from what I gather from this compile, the mythtv dev team doesn't like virtual destructors

[08:59:29]

AlmtyBob:

nevermind, I guess that's only funny if you're watching it compile 8)

[08:59:49]

AlmtyBob:

here's a thought, should I have shutdown the mythbackend first?

[09:00:19]

dscoular:

you only need to shut it down prior to "make install"

[09:00:28]

AlmtyBob:

k

[09:00:39]

dscoular:

do it now lest we forget ;)

[09:00:55]

dscoular:

/etc/init.d/mythtv stop

[09:01:06]

AlmtyBob:

no such

[09:01:07]

dscoular:

oops

[09:01:13]

dscoular:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend stop

[09:01:16]

dscoular:

sorry

[09:01:40]

AlmtyBob:

getting warmer 8)

[09:01:44]

AlmtyBob:

mythtv-backend

[09:02:02]

dscoular:

it varies from distro to distro

[09:02:22]

AlmtyBob:

I'm sure it doens't help that I'm running a year old release

[09:03:01]

MonMotha:

well, at least my DTV is working now, albeit OTA only

[09:03:56]

MonMotha:

I guess I could just fix the bug locally

[09:03:59]

AlmtyBob:

gah I gotta remember to buy backup packs of cigarettes

[09:04:01]

dscoular:

AlmtyBob, shouldn't matter too much since we are using the source

[09:06:27]

AlmtyBob:

it's supposed to take this long right?

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dscoular:

yeppers

[09:07:08]

dscoular:

it's non-trivial c++

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AlmtyBob:

they shoulda done it in VB

[09:07:30]

AlmtyBob:

with an "On Error Resume Next" in the beginning

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dscoular:

feel free

[09:07:36]

AlmtyBob:

wouldn't have any of these problems 8)

[09:07:41]

AlmtyBob:

I kid, I kid

[09:07:47]

MonMotha:

haha...that's almost how it's written it seems

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MonMotha:

MythTV has remarkably little error handling

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AlmtyBob:

for a long time I was one of those vb coders

[09:08:21]

AlmtyBob:

granted I didnt' code for a living, but still

[09:08:30]

dscoular:

true... I don't remember seeing too many try/catches

[09:08:32]

AlmtyBob:

I'd test shit by seeing if it'd raise an error

[09:08:44]

AlmtyBob:

oh DONE

[09:08:47]

MonMotha:

I did that a few times in QB, though I tended to turn it on very selectively for situations where I knew I really didn't care about the error condition

[09:08:48]

AlmtyBob:

make install?

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dscoular:

AlmtyBob, did you stop the backend ?

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dscoular:

go for it if you did "make install"

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AlmtyBob:

I did but it's still running

[09:09:45]

AlmtyBob:

guess I'll kill it

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dscoular:

hmm

[09:10:00]

AlmtyBob:

because mysql is down

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dscoular:

pkill -9 mythbackend

[09:10:10]

dscoular:

pkill -9 mythfrontend

[09:10:22]

AlmtyBob:

k

[09:10:28]

AlmtyBob:

installed

[09:10:35]

asd26:

i have no idea how to extract tar.gz's

[09:10:49]

AlmtyBob:

tar -xvf your.tar.gz

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dscoular:

asd26, tar zxvf your.tar.gz

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AlmtyBob:

what's the Z do?

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dscoular:

AlmtyBob, ungzip

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AlmtyBob:

oh

[09:11:27]

AlmtyBob:

k, it's all installed

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dscoular:

ok, AlmtyBob, I don't think we need the themes or plugins to try it out...

[09:11:45]

dscoular:

shall we give it a whirl ?

[09:11:51]

AlmtyBob:

sure

[09:11:53]

dscoular:

here's what I'd do

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asd26:

my unix skills are rusty

[09:12:55]

dscoular:

/usr/local/bin/mythbackend -L /tmp/mylog.log -v channel,general,important

[09:13:05]

dscoular:

oops

[09:13:10]

dscoular:

control-C

[09:13:14]

dscoular:

forgot a step

[09:13:18]

AlmtyBob:

haven't ran it yet

[09:13:21]

dscoular:

/usr/local/bin/mythtv-setup

[09:13:42]

AlmtyBob:

no such

[09:13:55]

dscoular:

ok

[09:13:59]

dscoular:

ls setup

[09:14:02]

AlmtyBob:

disregard

[09:14:02]

AlmtyBob:

it's in the path

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dscoular:

that's the wrong one

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dscoular:

remember we still have 0.18.1

[09:14:25]

AlmtyBob:

ok

[09:14:26]

dscoular:

ls setup

[09:14:33]

AlmtyBob:

what dir?

[09:14:43]

AlmtyBob:

disregard again

[09:15:26]

dscoular:

is there a program that looks like mythtv-setup ?

[09:15:42]

AlmtyBob:

yah error on libmythtv-0.19.so.0

[09:15:43]

dscoular:

or in ls /usr/local/bin/myth*

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AlmtyBob:

can't find it

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dscoular:

edit /etc/ld.so.conf and add /usr/local/lib to it

[09:16:08]

AlmtyBob:

it was in ~/mythtv/setup/mythtv-setup

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dscoular:

then run "ldconfig"

[09:16:46]

AlmtyBob:

it's a new file

[09:16:57]

dscoular:

oh... don't then

[09:17:01]

dscoular:

damn ubuntu!

[09:17:05]

dscoular:

try this

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AlmtyBob:

no such file anywhere

[09:17:18]

dscoular:

export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib

[09:17:36]

dscoular:

then do: ~/mythtv/setup/mythtv-setup

[09:17:47]

AlmtyBob:

same error

[09:17:54]

dscoular:

bugger

[09:17:58]

dscoular:

let me research a second

[09:18:03]

AlmtyBob:

./mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.19.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

[09:18:19]

AlmtyBob:

k give me 5 mins, I'm DYING of a nic fit, running to the corner store

[09:19:49]

asd26:

i think mythtv needs a screensaver

[09:20:06]

dscoular:

asd26, see the howto

[09:22:50]

dscoular:

actually, the howto covers disabling the screensaver

[09:22:52]

dscoular:

sorry

[09:23:42]

AlmtyBob:

back

[09:23:45]

dscoular:

asd26, I guess you could set it off manually with xset or xscreenlock

[09:23:50]

dscoular:

AlmtyBob, high

[09:23:59]

dscoular:

AlmtyBob, s/high/hi

[09:24:01]

AlmtyBob:

not yet, let my light my cig first

[09:24:03]

dscoular:

AlmtyBob, do this:

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dscoular:

echo /usr/local/lib >> /etc/ld.so.conf

[09:24:36]

dscoular:

then do this:

[09:24:40]

dscoular:

ldconfig

[09:24:54]

dscoular:

then do: ~/mythtv/setup/mythtv-setup

[09:25:02]

dscoular:

ldconfig might take a while

[09:25:02]

AlmtyBob:

same

[09:25:06]

AlmtyBob:

oh

[09:25:21]

AlmtyBob:

took no time at all

[09:25:29]

AlmtyBob:

and same error

[09:25:46]

dscoular:

do ldd ~/mythtv/setup/mythtv-setup

[09:26:04]

dscoular:

it should tell you all of the dynamic libraries it's looking for and if it found them

[09:26:41]

dscoular:

also ls -l /usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.19.so.0 to check it got installed

[09:26:46]

AlmtyBob:

www.ramenite.net/ldd.txt

[09:27:13]

AlmtyBob:

ls: /usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.19.so.0: No such file or directory

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dscoular:

ok, sounds like you didn't make install quite right

[09:27:36]

AlmtyBob:

oh

[09:27:43]

AlmtyBob:

sounds like I forgot to say simon says

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dscoular:

did you notice any compilation errors

[09:28:10]

AlmtyBob:

wasn't a sudo problem

[09:28:18]

AlmtyBob:

just ran "sudo make install"

[09:28:24]

AlmtyBob:

same resul

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dscoular:

also ls -l /usr/lib/libmythtv-0.19.so.0

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AlmtyBob:

sudo find / -name libmythtv0–0.19*

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AlmtyBob:

returns nothing

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dscoular:

Doesn't sudo su – work

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dscoular:

or sudo /bin/bash

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AlmtyBob:

there is no root user

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dscoular:

cd ~root/mythtv

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AlmtyBob:

no such

[09:30:13]

AlmtyBob:

only mythtv-01.18-mysql.tbz2

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dscoular:

ok you become root... and stay as root... and stop using sudo for every command

[09:31:02]

dscoular:

what user did your run the initial svn as ?

[09:31:23]

AlmtyBob:

...not root 8/

[09:31:36]

dscoular:

Gee... I'd figured that

[09:31:42]

dscoular:

what user ?

[09:31:47]

AlmtyBob:

my default user

[09:31:49]

AlmtyBob:

almtybob

[09:31:58]

dscoular:

ok are you root now

[09:32:01]

AlmtyBob:

it's that homedir I've been running everything out of

[09:32:02]

AlmtyBob:

yah

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dscoular:

ok cd ~almtybob

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dscoular:

cd mythtv

[09:32:23]

AlmtyBob:

k

[09:32:33]

dscoular:

find . -name libmythtv-0.19* -print

[09:32:45]

dscoular:

(Your find had a typo)

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AlmtyBob:

k

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dscoular:

any results ?

[09:33:07]

AlmtyBob:

4, in ./libs/libmythtv

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dscoular:

ok now run "make install"

[09:33:30]

AlmtyBob:

in / I got /user/local/lib/

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AlmtyBob:

k, same error

[09:34:02]

dscoular:

sigh... my find command would not have searched / or /usr/local/lib

[09:34:44]

dscoular:

what do you mean same error, I just asked you to run a find command

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dscoular:

what error

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AlmtyBob:

I did the make install, no apparent error

[09:35:05]

AlmtyBob:

ran myth-setup again, same library error

[09:35:16]

dscoular:

please hold on a sec...

[09:35:49]

dscoular:

when you do the make install I need to know if you see it mention installing that libmythtv as the install lines fly past

[09:36:27]

AlmtyBob:

http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/QRWy9v99.html

[09:36:29]

AlmtyBob:

like that?

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dscoular:

is this no longer the case: ls: /usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.19.so.0: No such file or directory

[09:38:18]

dscoular:

i.e. can you ls -l /usr/local/lib/libmythtv*

[09:39:15]

AlmtyBob:

fxied

[09:39:19]

AlmtyBob:

next error time

[09:39:23]

dscoular:

cool

[09:39:28]

AlmtyBob:

mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server

[09:39:47]

AlmtyBob:

wait

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dscoular:

your x server is running as almtybob

[09:40:35]

dscoular:

open a new window

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AlmtyBob:

k

[09:40:45]

dscoular:

and run mythtv-setup as almtybob

[09:41:00]

AlmtyBob:

same

[09:41:01]

dscoular:

I have to go soon...

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AlmtyBob:

and also same as user mythtv

[09:41:17]

dscoular:

who is your xserver running as

[09:41:22]

AlmtyBob:

good question

[09:41:37]

dscoular:

bring up an xterm and type id

[09:41:39]

AlmtyBob:

oh I know what migh thelp

[09:41:45]

AlmtyBob:

not running it putty 8)

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AlmtyBob:

k it's setting up

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dscoular:

sheesh

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Juski:

morning

[09:42:46]

AlmtyBob:

should I restart mysql?

[09:42:59]

dscoular:

yep

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dscoular:

Juski, morning

[09:44:16]

Juski:

fyi, laga: I got a reply to that message – package was shipped on Saturday :-) (thankyou)

[09:44:31]

AlmtyBob:

filling the database

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MonMotha:

wow, they really should have macro'd out the atscsrcid packing crap

[09:44:49]

Juski:

anyone using SVN with DVB found that EIT grabbing is working when they don't want it to?

[09:44:54]

AlmtyBob:

sudo is the devil's work

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MonMotha:

there's about 10 places scattered throughout the code where they use the arbitrary 8 bit field and just chuck the << 8 into the code

[09:45:12]

dscoular:

depends on the user

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MonMotha:

even worse, there are places where they just then or with the minor, not even checking to make sure it's less than 8 bits (probably operating under the assumption that it never would be more)

[09:45:50]

AlmtyBob:

dscoular: setup is done

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AlmtyBob:

it saved all my old settings

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AlmtyBob:

(thank god)

[09:46:11]

Juski:

MonMotha: take it up with the developers ;-)

[09:46:33]

dscoular:

now, /usr/local/bin/mythbackend -L /tmp/mythtv.log -v channel,general,important

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dscoular:

(backend as root)

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dscoular:

frontend as x user

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AlmtyBob:

invalid arg, -l

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AlmtyBob:

err -L

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AlmtyBob:

should I -l?

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AlmtyBob:

done

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dscoular:

erm hold on... I'll check

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MonMotha:

Juski: I just might, seeing as how it is a bug that it's packed that way

[09:47:27]

AlmtyBob:

yah, it's -l

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AlmtyBob:

logfile

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MonMotha:

ATSC minor channel IDs can go up to 999

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MonMotha:

I'm patching mine to pack it as << 16 rather than 8 to get around that

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MonMotha:

I personally think it should just be broken out into two columns, but the changes required to do that are more intrusive

[09:48:03]

dscoular:

AlmtyBob, you need to keep in mind that your new myth is all in /usr/local/bin

[09:48:17]

dscoular:

but you also have your old one waiting to mess with you in /usr/bin

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AlmtyBob:

what does that mean?

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AlmtyBob:

oh lord

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MonMotha:

if this fixes my problem (and I suspect it will), I'll probably macro it out

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AlmtyBob:

can I get rid of those somehow?

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dscoular:

you have to explicitly invoke the backend or frontend you want by giving the full path

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MonMotha:

that it would then look out of place in this code :)

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MonMotha:

hopefully with SoC some of the code will be cleaned up

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dscoular:

AlmtyBob, it can just live there... you can probly get rid of it via apt... but I don't know apt

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dscoular:

I'd just leave it and be careful of what I type

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dscoular:

so now you have the backend running (as root)

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dscoular:

you should startup mythfrontend as the x server user

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dscoular:

and ... I have to go now

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dscoular:

ok ?

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AlmtyBob:

I better write that down, I'm going to forge

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AlmtyBob:

that's all I need to do?

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AlmtyBob:

thanks a lot, I wouldn't have figured all that crap out on my own

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dscoular:

no worries good luck

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AlmtyBob:

thanks

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Juski:

AlmtyBob: if your IRC client has a logging facility, save the conversation somewhere :-)

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AlmtyBob:

good idea

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Juski:

or just make a note of today's date

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Juski:

it'll be in the channel log for eternity ;)

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AlmtyBob:

I shoulda brought my bot in here to log for me

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AlmtyBob:

really wish I'd left my monitor connected so I could make sure livetv is working 8/

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AlmtyBob:

uh oh

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AlmtyBob:

I wonder if mythweb is working

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AlmtyBob:

heh nope

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MonMotha:

gogo ccache

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AlmtyBob:

hahahahah and after all this nuvexport still gives me the same error 8)

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qu0zl:

is there a recommended gcc version to use for .19-fixes? I can compile with gcc 4.03 but I get hangs with xv. Want to make sure I'm using what the dev's are using

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MonMotha:

I just successfully built the 0.19 release tree with 4.0.4, so that should probably work

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MonMotha:

haven't run it yet, though

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asd26:

can nvidia driver output PAL type resolutions?

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GreyFoxx:

certainly;

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asd26:

because i want it to fit perfectly on my tv

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Juski:

asd26: I told you last night that my demo box is using 800x600 and it fits perfectly. I don't even have to deinterlace – that's how spot-on it is!

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MonMotha:

I just use an arcade monitor running at native res :)

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Juski:

btw when I say 'fits perfectly' I don't mean the desktop reaches the edges of the screen without any overlap. I mean mythtv works great & TV looks fantastic

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MonMotha:

no scaling required, all the lines line up, it's still interlaced so no need to deinterlace, etc.

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MonMotha:

for my TV I use 640x480 so that the lines line up, but then I'm in NTSC land

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MonMotha:

I guess 800x600 would probably work better for those in PAL land

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Juski:

qu0zl: FFS!

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Juski:

no PMing

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qu0zl:

Sorry, I didn't think most people here would be interested so I thought it'd be polite

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qu0zl:

never mind so

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Juski:

nothing worse than going into another window to start a compile & a popup comes up

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Juski:

bad irc ettiquette :-P

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asd26:

nvidia driver settings are confusing doesn't seem to state which resolution is on default

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Juski:

easy to sort out

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Juski:

take the ones you don't want out of the file

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Juski:

after backing up your xorg.conf of course

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MonMotha:

the first mode listed under a screen for a given color depth is the default

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asd26:

i going to add pal resolution

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Juski:

then it comes down to whether the display supports it, iirc

[10:30:40]

Juski:

asd26: you'd need a modeline for that. 720x576 isn't a valid mode in the current nvidia driver (?!)

[10:31:55]

Juski:

just try 800x600 & add some overscan with nvidia-settings

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MonMotha:

they only do the VESA standard modes by default

[10:32:20]

MonMotha:

yeah, just do 800x600 and overscan it until things line up

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Juski:

I didn't expect it to be any cop, but it works great

[10:33:26]

Juski:

I use an overscan of 12. the ticker on BBC News24 lines up _exactly_ with the bottom of the screen like it does out of my cable box, so I'd judge that to be pretty damn near to 1:1

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Juski:

the biggest shock was not having to turn on deinterlacing

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asd26:

overscan on the nvidia drivers are like 0 to 1 i think

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Juski:

nope

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Juski:

nvidia drivers give you 0 to 1 in 0.1 steps, but nvidia-settings gives you 25 steps of overscan

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asd26:

Juski but how does one save those setting on startup?

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Juski:

asd26: I told you

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Juski:

get the setting right in nvidia-settings

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Juski:

then quit out of it

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Juski:

then add nvidia-settings -l

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Juski:

to your .xinitrc or whatever so next time X starts it restores the overscan value (and other changes) you saved

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Juski:

ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/n . . . er-guide.txt

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asd26:

still need to get my RGB to compoment cable

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asd26:

i wonder how that going to work out

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MonMotha:

well, I just squashed a bug

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MonMotha:

amazing what changing a shift amount cand o

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asd26:

i wonder if one can buy USB remote that is already setup for mythtv

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qu0zl:

buy one that theres a sample cfg file included in the mythtv repository. That's as close to already setup as you'll get. and it's not very close

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fatmatt:

I went for one of the harmony remotes (880) and bought a cheap IR keyboard then just mapped the keys, little bit of a pita the set up via the harmony config web site, but I'm getting there.

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asd26:

fatmatt i've only setup mine for mythtv, none for the DVD player

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Maccco:

Hi all, i'm considering buying a via epia (fanless) mainboard

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Maccco:

its processor runs at 600mhz

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Maccco:

does it satisfy mythtv needs, or is it to slow?

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Maccco:

to=too

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Juski:

depends if it has mpeg2 acceleration on board

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qu0zl:

if it has a unichrome 266 or better chipset then it'll playback mepg2

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Maccco:

and mpeg4?

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qu0zl:

you'd need a hardware encoder as well though if you're using an analogue source

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qu0zl:

the unichrome drivers don't support mpeg4 yet

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qu0zl:

so that'd be in software. i doubt it'd work tbh

[11:02:26]

Maccco:

yes.... i thought to buy it with an huappage card

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Juski:

on my epia M10000 board I can play xvid/divx without any problems

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Maccco:

good

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qu0zl:

that's almost twice as fast though :)

[11:03:15]

Juski:

still silent & fanless (after modding)

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Juski:

diskless too

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qu0zl:

aye, i'd buy one of them if you don't mind replacing the fan with a big heatsink Maccco

[11:03:52]

qu0zl:

or the sp800 is fanless too. I've a sp13000 fanless because of the case

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Juski:

it's easier than changing a modern HSF on a normal system IMHO

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Maccco:

what's sp13000 ?

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qu0zl:

1.3ghz via mini-itx board

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Maccco:

let me see...

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qu0zl:

it's only fanless if you get a heatpipe case. the sp8000 if 800mhz via fanless board

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Maccco:

800mhz are enogh

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Maccco:

looks promising!

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qu0zl:

if the extra cost of a sp8000 isn't too much then that's what I'd get personally

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Maccco:

how much is it?

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qu0zl:

mini-itx.com sells them i think. i cant remember the price

[11:06:31]

Juski:

expensive

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Maccco:

i'll take a look, thanks by now!

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DGnome:

How does one change between input sources in live-tv? :)

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LLyric:

Define channels that come from wherever, and change channels with up/down

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LLyric:

I guess

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DGnome:

LLyric: mmh, channels are configured correctly, just how do i swithc from one input to the other?!

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DGnome:

:)

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DGnome:

'terrestrial' works but cant find out how to change to a channel that comes from 'cable'

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LLyric:

Aren't the cable channels configured with an irblaster or something?

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** LLyric shrugs, I only have simple tuning **

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LLyric:

DGnome: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2003 . . . /016933.html ???

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Dagmar:

Am I misinterpreting something, or is it possible to just throw away the root(mysql) user and still have this thing run properly?

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DGnome:

LLyric: that woould be it

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DGnome:

-o

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LLyric:

Of course. I use mythtv mysql user, but it needs to be granted the right permissions to the DB

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Dagmar:

LLyric: okay, cool. I know the myth user needs the proper permissions. I was just worried there was some explosion waiting to happen for me removing the root account.

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Dagmar:

I'm tightening the screws on some turnkey packages for Slackwaree

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** LLyric is watching MythBusters and surfin the web. Mythtv rules. **

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Dagmar:

Drop the package in, it builds it's database, creates the correct accounts, blows away the useless ones, etc etc

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DGnome:

LLyric: wheelll, pressing 'c' didn't do it

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asd26:

20% load recording SDTV

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LLyric:

Sorry, I've got to say it, mythtv is just so fscking cool.

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LLyric:

Watching last night's F1 at 120% speed, and skipping the adds. Cool.

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LLyric:

While the box is recoding something else.

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Dagmar:

Ugh. I am just hoping ivtv 0.6.x is still going to work

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Dagmar:

Slackware's 2.4.x kernel headers just seem to love tanking driver builds

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speedsix:

Hi all

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darthy:

howto get rid of the noisy cpu-fan of my epia-m10000 ? i heard that 65x65x20mm Verax 65KT would be a good fan.. but also passive cooling is possible. what shall i do?

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darthy:

hmm

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darthy:

what shall i do? ..

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** darthy thinking crazy aboudat **

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** darthy thinking about evil technics to wake up folk in #mythtv-users **

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** darthy faaaaaaarrrrttss **

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laga:

!trout darthy

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** MythLogBot slaps darthy with a trout on behalf of laga... **

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** darthy farts back with his almighty butt-engine **

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darthy:

sorry

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darthy:

is here anybody who can help with my epia m10k being too noisy ?

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asd26:

darthy get 80 mill fan

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asd26:

and fanmate, bring down the rpm

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darthy:

i heard the Verax 65KT would be nice for this

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darthy:

so.. which fan to take?

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asd26:

http://www.coolpc.com.au/ have a look at the fan selection

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qu0zl:

darthy, check out the zallman northbridge coolers

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qu0zl:

i've read about people using zalmans to passively cool the m1000. I wasn't comfortable with one with my sp13000, but i think the sp13000 runs hotter

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qu0zl:

Juski passively cools a m10000, i don't know if it's za northbridge cooler or a custom job or what tho

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Juski:

za northbridge cooler :-)

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qu0zl:

there you go so, that's what I'd do. fans are evil :)

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Juski:

not one for small enclosures though

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Juski:

unless you use an 80mm fan directly facing the 'sink

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asd26:

whats with flaging commericals?

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Juski:

asd26: works best on channels with logos I find

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asd26:

Juski it flags it, i then play it back and commericals are still there

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Juski:

have you turned on automatic skipping?

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asd26:

mabe not..lol

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asd26:

play back settings i suspect

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qu0zl:

you can also configure it to tell you about commercials but you have to press a button to skip

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qu0zl:

i find it's not reliable enough for me to let it autoskip :(

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qu0zl:

it's pretty good though

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Juski:

I commflag most of my recordings from channels with logos and find it usually works very well

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qu0zl:

i use logo detection too. it's pretty decent

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Juski:

is anyone here using DVB with SVN head noticing that EIT data collection is taking place regardless of not having a video source setup for it?

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asd26:

i just turned off deinterlace

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speedsix:

Juski, not noticed

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speedsix:

how would I tell if I have xmltv setup?

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asd26:

it looks better i think

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Juski:

speedsix: which version are you using? I'm seeing it with 10056

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Juski:

speedsix: for one you'd have xmtvids in the channels table

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Juski:

secondly mythfilldatabase would be run ;-)

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speedsix:

10053

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speedsix:

I have a xmltv video source setup so I wouldn't notice if EIT was doing anything or not?

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Juski:

doh! I forgot! I wiped all my channels out the other day

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Juski:

stupid user!!

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speedsix:

;)

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speedsix:

one thing I did notice when I updated last night, --disable-frontend doesn't give you mythcommflag

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speedsix:

which is kinda silly

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Juski:

really? oopsie

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speedsix:

Yeah, had to compile the whole lot before it gave me the mythcommflag binary

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Juski:

according to what I've heard though, the -frontend and -backend options are more for non pc platforms

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speedsix:

o

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speedsix:

I don't really want to compile the frontend on my slowass backend only machine

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asd26:

interlaced settings are weird

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speedsix:

lol type 'da vinci' in a mythweb search and just look at the results, yikes. Hype that film

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Juski:

read the book. classic holiday (trash) novel

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speedsix:

Yeah I read it on holiday few weeks ago

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speedsix:

quite enjoyed it actually

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hashbang:

same here. I thought it was pretty badly written.

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dscoular:

AlmtyBob, are you still around ?

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Juski:

someone where I work has been on a mission to see all the locations, book in hand

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speedsix:

yikes

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Juski:

fucking Daily Mail readers :-P

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speedsix:

lol

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Juski:

why oh why oh WHY does this stupid umbongo machine always boot up in 640x480 despite having no reference to that res. in xorg.conf?

[13:24:29]

speedsix:

is it ignoring the res you set?

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armand:

juski: maybe you're not specifying one?

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Juski:

800x600 is the only line in there

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dscoular:

do you mean the framebuffer during boot or when the x display manager starts running the login session ?

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speedsix:

hmm either there's a high pitched buzzing in here or I have tinitus from standing next to the speaker last w/e :(

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Juski:

I boot up & it goes into 640x480

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armand:

anyone in nyc have an old pci videocard (that works :)) that they want to get rid of? :)

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Juski:

restart gdm & I get 800x600 :-/

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DGnome:

yarrrr

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speedsix:

system>prefrences>screen resolution?

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Juski:

speedsix: nup

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Juski:

oh wait – could it be that I didn't click on the 'use this as the default res' ?

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speedsix:

i have no idea what that option does

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speedsix:

default res, as opposed to what??

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armand:

sounds like you guys are talking about windows

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armand:

i hate gnome hehe

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speedsix:

lol

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** armand gets out his wacker to wack the gnome **

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speedsix:

armand what do you prefer?

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armand:

i use afterstep on my laptop, blackbox at home

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armand:

laptop is where i try everything, like enlightenment, but i thought afterstep was prettier

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asd26:

should be using deinterlaced for a televison?

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armand:

ads26: ntsc sdtv?

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Juski:

asd26: like I said earlier, I don't deinterlace & find it works great

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speedsix:

what is gnome if metacity is a wm?

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dscoular:

asd26, yeah... what Juski said

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** speedsix is a linux noob **

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sha_:

speedsix: a DE (desktop environment)

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Juski:

I don't know exactly WHY it works but it does

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speedsix:

ok so what's the difference between a DE and a WM?

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sha_:

speedsix: like KDE where you got much more comfort like a file manager, setup tools and other things

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dscoular:

speedsix, a window manager manages windows

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dscoular:

speedsix, a desktop environment has a filemanager and a whole load of other crap

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speedsix:

I see so, metacity is the wm and gnome is the whole shabang

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dscoular:

speedsix, like session managment and dragn drop

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dscoular:

speedsix, you got it

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dscoular:

speedsix, you don't actuall need a DE at all

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speedsix:

I see

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dscoular:

speedsix, my DE is an xterm ;)

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speedsix:

gnome is nautilus et al then

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armand:

amen

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armand:

tho i use eterms;

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sha_:

bla..you don't need X at all;)

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dscoular:

well lets just agree on *term

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armand:

it just makes it easer to have *many* consoles active simultaneously ;)

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dscoular:

screen is also your friend

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speedsix:

what is eterm, some sort of X client?

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dscoular:

eterm is just another xterm

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armand:

its like xterm but with some more options

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dscoular:

like rvt, mterm, aterm, kterm,gnome-terminal... the list is endless

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dscoular:

*term + screen = warm happy place

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Juski:

drag & drop is for pussies

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speedsix:

thye all run under X right?

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armand:

all those terms yeah, screen is not

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** dscoular doesn't even mention has tragic love affair with xemacs **

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armand:

please dont, emacs is crap :)

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** dscoular hee hee **

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qu0zl:

it's a good OS. needs a decent editor though

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armand:

vi :D

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** dscoular sides begin to split **

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Juski:

vi is for people with very long, pointy beards

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armand:

thats who got me on it and taught me it 11 years ago

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** dscoular realises he has just kicked off a holy war **

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armand:

a long pointer beard :P

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dscoular:

You are all wrong we should be using NeWS

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speedsix:

I use vim, does that make my beard a goatee?

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armand:

<qu0zl> it's a good OS. needs a decent editor though

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GreyFoxx:

Vi/ViM is more me, and I have no beard. Though I don't really have an opinion of emacs unlike some of the holy warriors out there :)

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armand:

haha

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Juski:

hey holy wars are what held Linux back for so long, long may they continue :-/

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** dscoular actually uses both **

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armand:

greyfoxx: i just find it funny that a client includes tetris, a news reader, a web brwoser, etc

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armand:

for me, an editor is just an editor :P

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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armand:

that damn thing used to be like 40meg

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speedsix:

anyone know what creates the links in the /pretty dir?

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qu0zl:

i'm sure you could implement VI in emac's embedbed lisp engine

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armand:

when vi was 3 or something

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qu0zl:

there's a useful project ;)

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Juski:

oo btw GreyFoxx... I'm getting meself a ickle set top thingy

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GreyFoxx:

I use VI because I just find it comfortable *shrug* .... AND the fact that it is already installed on pretty much every Unix machine I've had to deal with :)

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armand:

yup

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** dscoular wishes he had never mentioned this **

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Oh?

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Juski:

I used to use vi every day. lapsed for several years so now I can open & close files.. and that's about all I can do with it

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** dscoular dscoular things of ViLE (vi in lisp emacs) **

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qu0zl:

lol good name

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: yeah – t-vision s100 thing. 733 celery, 128MB RAM, IDE, PCI etc.. intel 830 graphics & stuff.. wireless lan, USB...

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speedsix:

GreyFoxx, you mentioned multiple X servers on one machine the other day, I assume you had multiple gfx cards and not just a dualhead?

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armand:

noone with a pci card in nyc? ;/

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armand:

pci video card woops :)

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Juski:

armand: if you can pay shipping you can have my lamer than lame ATI AIW.. that's PCI

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asd26:

Juski stretching can be done in mythtv settings

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Juski:

asd26: I know that, but it's best not to rescale the video

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armand:

juski: cool thanks, i have to go for a few hours but i'll msg you later if i dont find anything today

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speedsix:

2 questions, what is responsible for creating the symlinks in /pretty and secondly what creates the preview .png's for mythweb?

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asd26:

one needs a degree in mythtv some many switchs

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Juski:

armand: np

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GreyFoxx:

speedsix: I've done both. But the time I was running 2 frontends it was 2cards

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speedsix:

GreyFoxx, I was under the impression it was only possible with 2 cards?

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GreyFoxx:

but at one time I had 2 xservers running on one card. 1 for the TV out and one for the VGA port

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GreyFoxx:

nah, you can treat the outputs as seperate cards

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GreyFoxx:

at least you can with the nvidia cards/drivers

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speedsix:

is that the pcibus option in xorg.conf? Mine only seems to show as one card. Tried to start 2 layouts but it just went splat

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speedsix:

nvidia 5200 I think my card is

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GreyFoxx:

I had to set the BusID for each card+subid for each output when I defined the devices

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speedsix:

how do I find out if I have seperate busids for each output?

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speedsix:

lspci?

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GreyFoxx:

You do

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GreyFoxx:

I got the info from the X startup log

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GreyFoxx:

/var/log/X*.log

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speedsix:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

that and google were enough to help me figure it out :)

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Juski:

yeh GreyFoxx laga put me onto that kit – it looks smart – aaand it's already been hacked to run linux... and mythtv

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Juski:

like 40 Euro too :)

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qu0zl:

40 euro?

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qu0zl:

ebay?

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Juski:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Which one was that ?

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qu0zl:

cool

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GreyFoxx:

I remember him posting something

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** Juski digs out the linky **

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Juski:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . photohosting

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GreyFoxx:

Nice

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Juski:

hopefully intel xvmc will work on it

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laga:

is intel xvmc any good?

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Juski:

laga: who knows? ;-)

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Juski:

btw laga thanks very much for the help with that message. I got a reply saying it has been shipped :-)

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laga:

Juski: wiki.mythtv.org says it's not that good, you might wanna read up on it

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laga:

Juski: yay!

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Juski:

733mhz should be enough to play mpeg2 though – sheesh

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laga:

Juski: my email server is down atm, so i dunno if mine got shipped yet. :/

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smokey420:

i am using nvidia-graphics8762.. and when i first boot up, before mythbackend is ran i can cat the capture device (pvr250), and it captures fine when i cat it.. then i start mythbackend, and all it can capture is static.. any ideas?

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Juski:

smokey420: channels not set up correctly, wrong freq. table... could be anything

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speedsix:

GreyFoxx, sorry to be a pita, I can find the busid for my nvidia card but how do I know if it has seperate sub i'ds for each output?

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** Maccco is back **

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smokey420:

Juski: it seems to keep trying to record channel 10xx.. ie. if i set it to start recording on channel 48, it record channel 1048.. i keep setting channel 48 in mythtvsetup, but it keep trying to record channel 1048.. any idea why that would be?

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Juski:

oh fuck.. it's bank holiday monday. we've got the Sound Of Music on one channel and Zulu on another :-/

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speedsix:

Juski what's the simplest way to write a dvb recording to dvd, not fussed about menus?

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speedsix:

most guides refer to .nuv files

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Juski:

speedsix: remux, then author

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Juski:

or mytharchive ;-)

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speedsix:

spose I could try mytharchive as I'm now using svn trunk?

[14:11:22]

Juski:

yep

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Juski:

ymmv

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speedsix:

oke

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Juski:

def. worth a shot though

[14:11:54]

speedsix:

what do you mean remux though, myth recordings are .mpg?

[14:11:56]

Juski:

smokey420: no idea what's wrong there. you set your channels up wrongly

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Juski:

speedsix: dvb recordings are mpeg2ts – dvd mpeg2 is PS

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speedsix:

do you mean demux sound/video then put back together in dvd format?

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speedsix:

..then author

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hashbang:

speedsix: mythburn

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speedsix:

hashbang, mythburn doesn't like me :(

[14:13:25]

hashbang:

speedsix: in what way?

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hashbang:

works here, but needed lots of work.

[14:13:41]

speedsix:

couldn't get sound on dvb recordings

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ivor:

Juski: but zulu is a classic!

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hashbang:

speedsix: right, your recordings probably have multiple soundtracks, and it's picked the wrong one

[14:14:13]

speedsix:

ok

[14:14:28]

speedsix:

be back in a bit chaps need to dash, thanks for the help again. Later

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smokey420:

Juski: would that make it so that i can cat my capture device from the shell, and it works fine.. but when mythbackend is running, i cat the capture device, and all i get is static

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hashbang:

speedsix: the diff I'm DCC offering you sorts the soundtracks by their sizes and makes the largest one the primary (default) soundtrack

[14:16:15]

hashbang:

speedsix: that's a horrible hack, but it's probably, usually, right.

[14:16:49]

hashbang:

I was sometimes getting a very short soundtrack as the primary

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hashbang:

dunno whether that was due to corruption over the air, or the broadcaster putting in some guff

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Juski:

ivor: we don't need pvrs to record it – it's on like fscking clockwork!

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Neeesat25:

Hello

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Neeesat25:

Can I add a command to call a script .sh in lircrc?

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laga:

maybe with irexec (if that's the name)

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Neeesat25:

well the lircrc is in /root/.mythtv/

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Neeesat25:

How it's done from irexec?

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Kelerion:

morning all

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Neeesat25:

morning to you too

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qu0zl:

Neeesat25, 2nd post http://www.pvrweb.com//bbs/lofiversion/index.php?t4398.html

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Neeesat25:

Thanks I will try it

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Neeesat25:

nothing happent

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Neeesat25:

What is irexec program?

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qu0zl:

are you running irexec, and irxevent

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Neeesat25:

no

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Neeesat25:

just lirc

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qu0zl:

google for them. i doubt mythtv supports the same functionality they do in regards to doing whatever you want on lirc keypress

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qu0zl:

so you'll probably need one of them if you want to launch shell scripts

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Neeesat25:

ok thanks I will try

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qu0zl:

good luck

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Neeesat25:

Thanks

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qu0zl:

oh, by one of them, i mean both of them :) irexec depends on irevent i think

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Neeesat25:

ok I will google and see

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Neeesat25:

Coool

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Neeesat25:

just run ./irexec from tools directory within lirc package and it's working

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Neeesat25:

It's calling a script I have made

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Neeesat25:

Thanks man

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qu0zl:

cool

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VlivE:

does vdr2myth.pl work?

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laga:

what does it do?

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dhuv:

hello all

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laga:

hi dhuv

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laga:

!seen beirdo

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MythLogBot:

beirdo is here and has been idle for 2 days 18 hours 50 minutes 12 seconds

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dhuv:

I am running through the mythtv-setup for the first time and was wondering if somebody can help

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dhuv:

I dont know what the Channel frequency table: is

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dhuv:

I have Dish network sat receiver

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laga:

humm. so you're gonna control it over an irblaster? and record via video-in of your tv card?

[14:49:17]

janneg:

VlivE: where is it google doesn't find anything

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VlivE:

its a script to convert a vdr channels.conf to work with myth

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VlivE:

been arround a long time

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VlivE:

but was wondering if it works

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VlivE:

cause I am having a terrible time scanning and getting any channels

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VlivE:

only sees 3 transponders

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VlivE:

and I have 4 birds to get

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VlivE:

but I have brandnew vdr scan

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VlivE:

so I wanted to just convert it?

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VlivE:

or

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VlivE:

how do you import a "channels.conf" in the mythtv-setup

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VlivE:

I tried pointing to the path but nothing happened

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darthy:

when trying to access mythweb apache tells me, that /htdocs are missing. whats wrong?

[14:56:53]

darthy:

though the apache site in sites-enabled is pretty correct in my opinion

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darthy:

teh browser gives me a 404

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darthy:

the

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psofa:

VlivE, in the scan place theres a button that says import from file

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psofa:

but if the situation has remained the same from the time i had checked it

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psofa:

it messes up the freq units

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psofa:

so you would have to do some mysql afterwards to multiply the freqs * 1000

[15:05:55]

psofa:

and the symbolrates *1000

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psofa:

VlivE, if you ask me id just insert the channels manually in the db

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Kelerion:

I had to do that last night (first time I've tried dvb) but I just grabbed the frequecies from the channels.conf generated by the scan util

[15:10:36]

laga:

you could also try svn head, maybe scanning works better there. and if not, work together with the developers to fix it

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Kelerion:

and that was on svn

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Kelerion:

svn scanned all my channels perfectly

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psofa:

btw when im thinking it scanning is only usefull if try dvb for the first time and youd like to know which channs are good

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psofa:

after that nothing beats manual importing using flysat

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speedsix:

does anyone know where the Mytharchive settings are?

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Juski:

utils/setup > DVD

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Juski:

iirc

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Juski:

eeyy up... what's this new field in the channel table? tm_offset?

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** Juski has no channel 5. so much for scanning being all better :-/ **

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VlivE:

psofa what about that vdr2myth.pl script

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VlivE:

that converts a vdr channels.conf to myth channels

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psofa:

no idea

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VlivE:

its in the sc-5.5 package?

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VlivE:

ok

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VlivE:

well second questions the few channels I did get and test

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VlivE:

I get a violet hue for color

[15:32:22]

VlivE:

how would i fix that?

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speedsix:

Juski, just giving this mytharchive a whirl, got the the end and nada. Log viewer just sits there doing nothing

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laga:

VlivE: what's sc-5.5?

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psofa:

laga, you dont want to now

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VlivE:

about the color issue?

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VlivE:

any idea's

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psofa:

and VlivE you shouldnt talk here about this program

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VlivE:

sorry

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VlivE:

anyway you have any idea's about color problems?

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smokey420:

when i try to watch live tv with mythfrontend i just get a black screen that exits back to the main menu after about 10 seconds.. the backend says "Error setting codec parameters VIDIOC_S_CTRL:: No Such Device".. when i cat the capture device it captures video fine.. i can also capture using mplayer /dev/video0.. any ideas?

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psofa:

well for one i dont have any problem.The myth people surely have

[15:35:22]

VlivE:

my color problem?

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VlivE:

;)

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VlivE:

like how to fix?

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psofa:

VlivE, describe it better and someone might help

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Juski:

speedsix: it's very alpha

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speedsix:

did you get it to work?

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VlivE:

like a violet hue

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VlivE:

like its missing red and blues'

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VlivE:

but xwindows is perfect?

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speedsix:

maybe it needs dependencies I don't have

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Juski:

oh fuck, no wonder this svn isn't working right. at least one multiplex id is wrong!

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psofa:

VlivE, all over the video?

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VlivE:

yes

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VlivE:

all over

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ivor:

VlivE: only dipping in at the end of this discussion..... so I may be missing the question/point.... but have you tried changing the xv picture controls.

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** ivor scrolls back to get context. **

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VlivE:

no and where is that

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VlivE:

thanks ivor

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Juski:

re-scanning for channels

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psofa:

VlivE, btw the script you were saying may work for vdr->myth, or at least seems to.You should first backup your database before trying it

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ivor:

in live tv, get the menu up and go to adjust picture, hue

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psofa:

ivor, but if its dvb the colors should be fine by default

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psofa:

unless theres something broken

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psofa:

right?

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ivor:

psofa: no, the xv picture controls control the output.

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ivor:

you're thinking of the old capture adjustments.

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psofa:

ah

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psofa:

still though the xv controls should be sane by default

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ivor:

not if you're tracking svn, they could be all over the shop.

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Juski:

what the....? unless the BBC have changed frequencies on their mux here something is _very_ wrong with scanning

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LaptopOm:

Is XMLTV needed even using DVB broadcasts? Or can I somehow use the DVB-T EPG instead?

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Juski:

LaptopOm: depends on your preference. you can use EIT data.. but that calls for some RTFMing

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VlivE:

well I'm dumping svn

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VlivE:

gona go to 19fixes

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VlivE:

:(

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Juski:

right that does it. I think I'll plod back to 0.19-fixes too

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LaptopOm:

ok, so there's no easy way? guess I'll use XMLTV for now then

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LaptopOm:

just trying to get it all up and working, at least tolerably

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Juski:

LaptopOm: who said it wasn't gonna be easy?

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Juski:

it causes excessive CPU usage in 0.19 anyway

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LaptopOm:

Which does, XMLTV or 'EIT'?

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Juski:

EIT does. in plain ole 0.19

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Juski:

it's still on the road to being fixed. as is scanning by the look of it

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Kelerion:

hey Juski :)

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Kelerion:

dvb all working.. kinda :)

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Juski:

hey Kelerion: svn is pissing me off. it's been made worse

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Kelerion:

my poor ol' 2.8 can't cope with recording from both

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Juski:

what?!

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Kelerion:

from the pvr250 and the dvb

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psofa:

that doesnt make sense

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Juski:

Kelerion: I've got 3 tuners in my 2.0 system and it works juust fine

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psofa:

what does the cpu have to do with that

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Kelerion:

the dvb starts jumping/squeeling and artifacting like crazy

[15:49:11]

Juski:

I can record 3 sources at the same time and watch a recording

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Kelerion:

but is fine on it's own

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Juski:

Kelerion: soundy likey pci latency or something

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speedsix:

Juski, what probs are you having with svn

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Juski:

speedsix: scanning is fucked again

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Kelerion:

I did have to switch the cards around because the dvb was making the system unstable

[15:50:15]

Juski:

it gets all the channels okay but the frequencies it puts in the db are wrong

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speedsix:

how come you had to scan again?

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Juski:

speedsix: I had no channel5

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speedsix:

o

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** hashbang uses two nova-t DVB cards on a Celeron 1.7G with no hassles. **

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Juski:

and I'm testing it out

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Juski:

my _main_ system is still on 0.19 – not gonna touch it ;-)

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Kelerion:

dvb cards aren't hardware encoders are they??

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Juski:

Kelerion: yeah they are (kind of)

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Kelerion:

I just figured with them using the bttv drivers they weren't (wrong assumption)

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Juski:

in as much as you get an mpeg2 stream over the PCI bus ;-)

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laga:

speedsix: ouch, that sucks :/

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speedsix:

yeah, 0.19 fixes uses something like 1123, svn was 1138

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Juski:

this DVB debacle has been going on for too long

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speedsix:

yeah it's been 'intresting' for me to say the least re. dvb

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Juski:

I feel we're gonna end up with a few different scanning methods – maybe tailored to each standard & country

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LaptopOm:

Where should 'tv_grab_uk_rt' have come from? I don't seem to have it

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Juski:

LaptopOm: xmltv

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Kelerion:

xmltv

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LaptopOm:

ok, ta

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speedsix:

or is it xmltvutil

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speedsix:

xmltv-util

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Juski:

what I _could_ do here is just pull the channel data from my working system, but this stuff is supposedly better now

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speedsix:

svn seems to work fine with my channel table from my 0.19-fixes install

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Juski:

yeh it will do

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speedsix:

friend of mine's usb hauppauge card refuses to tune atall with any version of myth

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Juski:

I'll have to rattle stuarta's cage tomorrow

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speedsix:

tried so many

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Juski:

USB sucks ;-)

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speedsix:

ain't that the truth

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speedsix:

I told him to get a soding pci

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speedsix:

I noticed my nova-t works with the default timeout values now though

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Juski:

oh god it's not one of them shitty little USB sticks is it?

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speedsix:

no its one of those big 'ol boxes with a scart socket/decoder built in jobbies

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speedsix:

Dec-2000

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Juski:

lol. DEC2000. biggest PoS in the world

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speedsix:

A-fucking-men

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Juski:

they don't even work in fucking windows

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speedsix:

He keeps nagging me to get it work

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speedsix:

Scans fine with dvb scan though

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speedsix:

just not myth. ATALL

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speedsix:

just times out

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Juski:

I'm saying nowt :-P

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speedsix:

I'm saying buy the same card as me so I know where I'm at

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speedsix:

At first he gave me one of those shitty little no brand usb sticks and asked to set it up with myth

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Juski:

rofl

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speedsix:

it went out the window

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speedsix:

Oh he wanted a WinMyth frontend aswell

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Juski:

he wants a full frontal labotomy if you ask me

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Juski:

give him mediaportal & tell him to get on with it

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speedsix:

I said I'd help with the backend but I'm not touching anything on your windows machine

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GreyFoxx:

speedsix: You could easily do myth on a usb stick

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GreyFoxx:

I had a slax/usbstick frontend for a bit

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GreyFoxx:

I never bothered to finish making it public cause I got busy and lazy :)

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speedsix:

How can I attempt to suss out what this mytharchive is falling down on. It prints practically nothing the console. Logs?

[16:03:44]

speedsix:

GreyFoxx, I couldn't get the card working in linux atall, didn't even know what chipset it had

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GreyFoxx:

lspci -v

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GreyFoxx:

should at least tell you what vbrand of card :)

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speedsix:

I didn't want to mess around with it too much ;)

[16:05:34]

speedsix:

I'm going to try and pickup C again and see if I can contribute anything useful to myth :)

[16:05:53]

speedsix:

Been using Java for a while so it ain't gonner be easy :/

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d3ity_:

hey all

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d3ity_:

question for you guys, I'm trying to setup another frontend on my laptop, but I can'

[16:07:06]

d3ity_:

t get it to connect to my backend server

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d3ity_:

what settings in mythtv-setup do I have wrong, I placed the IP address of the backend in my setup, and for some reason, even though my mysql setup is allowed to connect, I can't.

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GreyFoxx:

What specifically is the error you are getting ?

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d3ity_:

Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.104' (111)

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d3ity_:

the IP is correct

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GreyFoxx:

Is MySQL on that box configured to only listen on localhost? Or to not listen on a port at all ?

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d3ity_:

GreyFoxx, once I dig up the mysql configuration file I'll tell you... know the name of the file by chance?

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speedsix:

my.conf

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speedsix:

I think it has something like bind=127.0.0.1. Need to comment that out

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GreyFoxx:

or my.cnf

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speedsix:

What's the best program to use to prepare myth .mpg files before I use dvdauthor?

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d3ity_:

sweet

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d3ity_:

got it

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d3ity_:

now, could someone help me out with the rest of this config? this box is just to be a frontend, it has no tuner

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d3ity_:

how do I set that up?

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Juski:

speedsix: projectx is okay

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speedsix:

I can demux with that?

[16:31:20]

Juski:

yup

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Juski:

and remux

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Kelerion:

interesting!!!!

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** Kelerion has just had a *very* nice conversation with a nice bloke in sky hd tech services **

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Juski:

meaning?

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Zider:

techie pickup ;D

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Kelerion:

ok ... hd boxes have firewire ports.. but the firmware isn't working on them yet (planning to work in next 2 years)

[16:49:44]

Kelerion:

but

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Kelerion:

the signal is mpeg4.. and he says that that means it doesn't have like ntsc/pal stuff in it.. and as far as he's concered thered be no reason an american hd card wouldn't work with it

[16:50:46]

Kelerion:

and they are prepared to let me have a free hd box if I'll test it for them :))))

[16:50:53]

Kelerion:

but I have to get the card and still pay the subs

[16:51:52]

Kelerion:

he saig theyd then use it as an example on their "refferals" page on the hd website

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speedsix:

has anyone used avidemux2 to work with myth recordings?

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sphing:

Kelerion: do you have a working HD setup right now?

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Kelerion:

in the uk? nope

[16:56:37]

Kelerion:

the pc and tv is all there though

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sphing:

hmm well Ill ask anyway.. do you think its a bad idea to mount the storage from another box onto the myth server?

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Kelerion:

dont see why not

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Kelerion:

if you have a decent network

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sphing:

that will do the hd recording... im afraid having 3 firewire inputs writing to an nfs mount is a bottle neck

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sphing:

would having an extra nic and using a cross over between them resolve it?

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Kelerion:

extra nic through a switch is more than plenty

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sphing:

ok cool... thanks

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AngryElf:

anyone here use digital sound with myth?

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AngryElf:

i can't seem to get digital out working, the optical out port isn't even on — there's no laser on inside

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Kelerion:

ahh.. I see a problem

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Kelerion:

is there such a thing as hdmi-coax connector?

[17:09:46]

Juski:

hey.. ingredients for a perfect bank holiday monday afternoon: One genuine berber rug. One massive pot of white emulsion paint

[17:09:53]

Juski:

!!!!!!!!

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Kelerion:

lol

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** Juski checks to see if he can spell d i v o r c e **

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Juski:

interesting about the $ky HD stuff though ;-)

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Juski:

(and thank fuck wool is washable!)

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DrNickRiviera:

anyone here got a Terratec Cinergy 1400 DVB-T ?

[17:17:09]

Kelerion:

theres a problem.. he said it would depend on whether I can import a hdmi signal.. ie does the card have a hdmi input.. and they don't

[17:19:07]

Kelerion:

the mdp-130's have hdmi inputs though

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qu0zl2:

Anybody seeing Xorg lockups with the latest ubuntu dapper draker xorg/via driver and svn 19-fixes? Ivor?

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qu0zl2:

using xvmc

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Kelerion:

ok... so for all you hd experts.. there's no such thing as a hdmi input on a hd capture card?

[17:33:38]

Kelerion:

all these hd cards are for ota reception?

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Juski:

Kelerion: capturing hdmi is totally out of the question

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Juski:

and there, they have everyone by the bollocks

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Kelerion:

urgh

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Juski:

now if they'd only sell a CAM that worked for HD, problem solved

[17:40:33]

Kelerion:

or wait for them to write the firmware for their firewire outputs

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Kelerion:

so we are still way behind these americans... pfft

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Kelerion:

only way we can have hd *now* then is to use the skyhd box and their inbuilt sky+ functionality.. crap

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sphing:

does mythtv do ip6?

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GreyFoxx:

One way to find out :)

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bobc:

has anyone else had a problem with low saturation on a PVR-150? It was fixed in ivtv-0.4.4 or 0.4.5, however when I installed on Ubuntu Dapper Drake, it reappeared since the 2.6.15 kernel has an older version of the cx24850 module than ivtv, but I can't figure out how to get ivtv to install it's version.

[18:03:55]

Juski:

Kelerion: until people start playing with dvb-s2 in linux, yep you have to pay $ky lots of Â£Â£Â£

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Juski:

anyway it's not such a big deal. I mean it's not as if proper HD sets are widely available yet. 'HD ready' normally means 1024x7xx, or even 1024x1024 at best. Mmmmmm lovely 16:9 1024x1024 – I don't think. For me it'd have to be 1920x1080 or bust

[18:09:51]

ivor:

qu0zl2: what board?

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Juski:

qu0zl2: I had problems with xvmc early on. problems with the wrapper

[18:14:19]

Juski:

as in.. the wrapper wasn't trying to use the right driver :-/

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qu0zl2:

ivor, sp13000

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qu0zl2:

i upgrade from .18.1 to 19-fixes

[18:25:01]

qu0zl2:

but also did a dist-ugprade from dapper drake 3 or 4 to latest dapper drake

[18:25:25]

qu0zl2:

it works fine if i turn off xvmc, but using xvmc when i exit tv back to main menu, it shows the menu but xorg goes too full cpu usage

[18:25:59]

Juski:

qu0zl2: I had a similar problem with breezy – x would segfault when trying to use mythtv's xvmc

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Juski:

xine worked ok but not myth

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qu0zl2:

mplayer seems to work fine with -vo xv

[18:26:35]

qu0zl2:

mythfrontend does't even always lockup when i exit tv

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qu0zl2:

but does about half the time

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Juski:

qu0zl2: what did ./configure say about the xvmc library?

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qu0zl2:

i'll run configure again and check

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qu0zl2:

XvMC pro support yes

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qu0zl2:

XvMC libs -lXvMCW

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Juski:

qu0zl2: that might be it

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qu0zl2:

although it could be because of the newer Xorg/Xorg unichrome driver

[18:28:55]

qu0zl2:

oh?

[18:29:41]

Juski:

see if this helps you any: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=

[18:29:45]

AngryElf:

allright, so i just managed to get my pvr500 working, somewhat — both tuners produce statically sound/video — i'm sure it's not the wire because my 350 works fine even after switching the two cables.....any other ideas?

[18:30:45]

Dagmar:

*sigh*

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Dagmar:

Could someone remind me where the heck it says to create the mythtv mysql user?

[18:31:06]

qu0zl2:

i have the wrapper file with the unichrome pro driver listed in it Juski, and it does xvmc playback. just hands Xorg on the end

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Dagmar:

I can't find the bit in the docs where it says to do that and I think that's what's tanking my setup

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qu0zl2:

but i guess that doesn't mean i compiled it against the right xvmc at build time. I'll look through my libraries. cheers

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Juski:

qu0zl2: the comment about xvmc.conf or whatever in /etc/X11 might help I dunno

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qu0zl2:

i've got the unichrome pro driver specified in that wrapper file, so i don't think that's it unfortunately

[18:33:45]

qu0zl2:

that wrapper file is obscure, it took me an hour of wondering what was going on the first time i installed mythtv

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Juski:

lord almighty. mythbackend with svn is still hogging cpu

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Juski:

turned off 'useonairguide' for all the channels and hey presto cpu usage is wayyy down again :-/

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AngryElf:

is the pvr500 not as good of a tuner as the 350? it's pretty decent now, but not quite as clear as my 350

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qu0zl2:

time for dinner, good night guys

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xris:

AngryElf: 500 is supposed to be better

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AngryElf:

hmm, well is there some tweaking i might need to do?

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xris:

no clue

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Kelerion:

off to chill out... cya'll later :)

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xris:

I just know that it has updated filters, etc.

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Dagmar:

Hmm... It would probably help if I actually had some sql support in my Qt. *sigh*

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ivor:

Juski: is that with current svn! :/

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Juski:

ivor: yup

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ivor:

yuck

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Juski:

but on the plus side... www.juski.co.uk/mheg/ :-D

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benklop:

hello

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ivor:

yeah, it's rather neat isnt it

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benklop:

i'm running a server with a limited amount of disc space, and it keeps filling up... i discovered there are some huge (400mb) files in /var/lib/mysql/ named mythserver-bin.000117 where mythserver is my hostname and 000117 is one of many numbers in sequence from 1 to 130

[19:13:55]

** Juski records the Red Hot Chilli Peppers from BBCi **

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laga:

Juski: they want you to pay for fscking tetris?

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benklop:

any help would be appreciated

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Dagmar:

OMG your theme is insensitive to the optichromatically challenged@!

[19:15:00]

Juski:

eh?

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Juski:

laga: yeh.. and da silly kidz pay too!

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Juski:

Dagmar: what theme?

[19:15:35]

Dagmar:

"Press RED" ohmagosh

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Dagmar:

;)

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laga:

Juski: that's even worse than jamba

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Dagmar:

I like the design of the OSD, although it seems kinda largish

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Juski:

Dagmar: that's the UK's interactive service on DVB-T

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Juski:

something is very wrong here.

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Juski:

I'm not deinterlacing & live tv looks fantastic

[19:19:45]

Dagmar:

Ah

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xris:

Juski: nvidia card?

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Juski:

xris: yup

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Dagmar:

Don't question it. It'll stop working immediately.

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xris:

to a tv?

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Juski:

yup

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xris:

card does it automatically

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xris:

it's called "flicker control"

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Juski:

does it?! nice

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xris:

and that's the main reason to get an nvidia card

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Juski:

good ole gf4 !

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Dagmar:

OTher than the whole, not waiting a calendar year for new drivers thing

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laga:

humm.

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laga:

xris: so you don't have to fiddle with PAL & NTSC modelines?

[19:22:11]

xris:

laga: I didn't, no

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laga:

i sometimes get interlacing artefacts. even with those modelines.

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xris:

laga: same here, depending on the differences in resolution between tv and recording

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laga:

oh well, i hope i can order a vga2scart cable from juski soon :P or i should just finish mine

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xris:

1080i sized down to 768 tall produces semi-random artifacts.. not much to do about it.

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laga:

xris: well, i usually run 800x600. but anyways, tv-out is good enough for me for the time being. it's just really annoying that everybody tells you different things about those nvidia cards. nvidia should just release proper docs

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laga:

(or open source their drivers)

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xris:

laga: yes'

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laga:

even chutt told me to run 800x600 and use bob2x

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Juski:

oh btw laga I've found conflicting information about the pinout of those transistors

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Juski:

some datasheets say (left to right) collector emitter base, others say collector base emitter :-/

[19:28:23]

laga:

no kidding?

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laga:

darn.

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laga:

maybe that'd explain my problem

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Juski:

the correct one is the first I think

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laga:

i'll look at it again after i'm done with the s100

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kusznir:

Hi all: I had some questions on some nitty-gritty details reguarding how slave backends are supposed to be confiured / work.

[19:49:54]

kusznir:

I was planning on having all my recordings stored on the master backend. My reading thus far is unclear as to wether I have to mount the master's /myth directory on the slave (and thus have the slave write directly to the master via NFS), or if the myth protocall allows the slave to stream the video to the master.

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kusznir:

With reguard to the NFS solution, I'm also conserned about how the files are "kept track of" — I suspect the slave is making DB enteries on the master for the files it records, but does it notate those are on the master even though the slave recorded it, or will it be notated as if it was on the slave (thus requiring frontends to contact the master, which contacts the slave, which streams it from the master via NFS...)

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kusznir:

I tried searching the myth docs, but found very little documentation on slave backends. Google didn't return much of use either in this case (maby I'm not searching for the right phrases, though)

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Juski:

kusznir: by default any file transferring mythtv does is all under the mythtv protocol AFAIK

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Wonko:

I've installed MythWeb on a Debian machine but I'm not sure what to configure to make it work. I get "Database Access Denied" when visiting http://192.168.0.4/mythweb/

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laga:

edit .htaccess

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Wonko:

laga: OK, but I'm not sure what to do

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Juski:

read the readme?

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jpinto:

Hi, i get "libmythtv-0.19.so.0: cannot open shared object file", what now? :(

[20:11:28]

laga:

jpinto: read the documentation, that'S covered in there

[20:11:35]

jpinto:

laga thanks..

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Wonko:

Juski: Yes, but I am still not sure what to do. I don't want to do any mistakes that makes my system insecure.

[20:12:23]

Juski:

Wonko: depends how your machine is connected to the internet

[20:12:47]

jpinto:

laga: well.. can you tell me at least where? in what section?

[20:13:05]

Juski:

if you're behind a NAT router / firewall & port 80 is forwarded to the machine, read the apache docs for hints on making it secure

[20:13:34]

Juski:

if no ports are forwarded and the machine isn't directly connected to the internet, don't worry ;-)

[20:13:51]

Juski:

jpinto: environment variables perhaps?

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Wonko:

Juski: To start with I will only like to access it from the local network (192.168.0.x)

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Juski:

Wonko: so you've not forwarded port 80 to the outside world?

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Wonko:

Juski: No, not by myself

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Juski:

and is the machine isolated from the internet by a router/firewall ?

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Wonko:

Juski: This made me worried "Note that MythWeb is totally insecure and makes no pretense of including any security mechanisms of any sort. You should really only run it on an isolated network or (at the very least) behind a well secured firewall."

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Wonko:

Juski: Yes

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Juski:

stop worrying already then ;-)

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Wonko:

Juski: OK :)

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Juski:

nothing is 100% secure anyway. apart from maybe an unplugged box

[20:17:26]

Wonko:

Juski: Maybe I am a little bit paranoid

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Juski:

I think I had to edit /etc/my.cnf to allow mysql to work with mythweb

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jpinto:

Juski: mythtv installed on /usr/local/lib

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jpinto:

don't know why i get this error...

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jpinto:

mythtv: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.19.so.0:

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Juski:

jpinto: it's covered in the documentation as laga said. try the 'troubleshooting' section

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laga:

jpinto: RTFM! it's in there.

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Juski:

at the risk of being offensive, this channel isn't one for spoon feeding ;-)

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jpinto:

laga just did a grep on documentation... didn't found the word "libmythtv" ... but ok, i'll check it out

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jpinto:

laga: i alreaddy set point 22.3 _before_ i came here...

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jpinto:

so, i really don't get what's wrong with this...

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jams:

did you rerun ldconfig

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jams:

s/rerun/run

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jpinto:

ah! jams ... thanks, it's working now :-)

[20:23:26]

jpinto:

eheh... forgot ldconfig :)

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jams:

which is in the docs....

[20:24:46]

jpinto:

actually, it isn't, on point 22.3 could have.. "don't forget to run ldconfig after.."

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jpinto:

:P

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kusznir:

Juski: I just read the wiki docs on "mythtv protocall". Unfortunately, it doesn't mention anything about what file transfers it supports. So, I'm back to my origional question: Will slave backends send their recorded content via the mythtv protocall, or does it need the master to be nfs-mounted?

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kusznir:

(the wkik protocall docs are still very much under development; most of the meat is not there yet)

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Juski:

kusznir: the mythtv protocol is transparent to the user – no configuring needed

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Juski:

using NFS _can_ be faster in some cases

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kusznir:

ok. Is there anything special I have to tell myth to use nfs vs its protocall? Will it simply look for "local" (or nfs) storage and use it if it finds it; falling back to myth protocall if it doesn't?

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jams:

jpinto- look at section 4.2 which is also linked from 22.3

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jpinto:

Jams: you are absolutely right, my fault, i'm terribly sorry

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jpinto:

Hmm.. is it possible to run mythtv as a simple tv application? why is this database connection for?

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jams:

jpinto- nope

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Fluffy:

Hi

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Fluffy:

Im trying to use mkinitrd to build a root immage in debian 2.4.27 to get bttv working. It seems that everything i try (and i have red the man pages) does not work.It seems that /etc/mkinitrd is missing is there a quick solution??

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jams:

tvtime may be what your looking for

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laga:

Fluffy: why do you need an initrd to get bttv working?

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jpinto:

i have tvtime, and works ok.. but i was looking for something better

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kusznir:

jpinto: the database stores the tv guide and metadata for all the recordings. Its also where all the scheduling info for recordings is kept, as well as configuration and a bunch of other stuff.

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Dagmar:

You're outta luck there

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Juski:

jpinto: the db _is_ mythtv

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Dagmar:

TVTime is pretty much the best thing you can get your hands on if you don't intend to record

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jpinto:

well.. i intend to record.. but..

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jpinto:

hm.. heh

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Juski:

... or pause, or skip adverts, or have an EPG

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xris:

jpinto: mythtv isn't a "tv watching" program

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Juski:

it's a PVR

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Juski:

and then some!

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jpinto:

ok, got it.. don't slam me anymore.. people :)

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Fluffy:

i recompiled the kernal due to no bttv in the origional package. i also go rid of alot of the loadable moduels. the kernal requires a ram image to first load.

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Dagmar:

Since when

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kusznir:

The database really isn't that big of a deal. If you use linux for your desktop, you can run myth such that it appears to "just be an app" — there will be some daemons running in support of it, but you can start and stop the "front end" as you wish. Its just a program.

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Dagmar:

No kernel "needs" an initrd

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jpinto:

well.. can i test the tv with myth tv, without setting a db connection?

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Dagmar:

jpinto: If you're into pain, sure.

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kusznir:

(it ieven supports "windowed mode" so it would have a border and finite size, etc.

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kusznir:

)

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Fluffy:

il give it a shot..

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xris:

jpinto: no..

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mocker:

Can someone take a look at the errors I'm getting at http://pastebin.ca/59658 ?

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jpinto:

eheh, ok thanks

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mocker:

For some reason my frontend will crash occasionally.

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Fluffy:

il be back when comp starts...

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mocker:

s/crash/freeze/

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mocker:

That's the output from before I restarted it once.

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jpinto:

so what do you guys suggest for a simple tv viewing application, that can record in to .avi (for example) from time to time?

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Dagmar:

mocker: Backend running on the same machine?

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mocker:

Dagmar: Yeah.

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Dagmar:

mocker: If you're using ivtv, the 0.4.x's would react very badly to pre-emption support in the kernel

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Dagmar:

I'm not so sure it's entirely right in 0.6.x

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mocker:

I've read somewhere about problems w/ the frontend freezing when new shows start (see that it's at the 17:00:01 when the errors start)

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Dagmar:

I couldn't count on the thing to be able to record for more than a few hours without hosing up the machine with 0.4.x

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mocker:

Dagmar: Updated w/ version info at http://pastebin.ca/59665

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mocker:

Running ivtv-0.6.1

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Dagmar:

I've no idea, but I'd disable pre-emption support from your kernel on whatever's running the backend/encoder

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Dagmar:

...or simply let the backend run recording a few things without the frontend running to isolate which part is actually screwing up the machine

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mocker:

Dagmar: This is w/ live TV, sorry not to mention that before.

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Juski:

oh dear. my little 800mhz box can't play systm's ogg videos

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Darthy:

what if tzap returns "error parsing inversion" ? does it mean i get no pids ?

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psofa:

does 9936 have the quick dvb tuning thing?

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Juski:

seems to be slightly faster

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Juski:

try 10056 though

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psofa:

Juski, when i mean fast tuning i mean the 4secs tuning

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psofa:

doesnt 9936 have that?

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Juski:

if you're talking 0.19-fixes, then I doubt it

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psofa:

it isnt fixes

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psofa:

its 9936 head or how its called

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GreyFoxx:

I think the change you are referring to went in prior to 9932

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psofa:

thats good news

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psofa:

now one more thing left to make a proper ebuild.Anyone knows if its possible to get from svn a tar.bz2 of a revision?

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GreyFoxx:

Nope, you would have to script that yourself

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psofa:

:/

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Juski:

ask Cardoe nicely ;)

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Juski:

anyway why not use a higher rev than 9936? apart from scanning it seems to be working just great here

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psofa:

Juski, well apparently ive got my reasons ;) some private patches etc

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Juski:

private patches?

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Juski:

do I wanna know? maybe not

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Juski:

eep! h.264 HDTV playback on the bbc test stuff is like 16fps on a 2.4GHz athlon, apparently

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MORA:

I need those "patches" too :)

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Juski:

what the hell are you guys talking about?

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psofa:

Juski, you dont want to know :)

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MORA:

rules forbid talking about it

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Juski:

'nuff said

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Juski:

rules should forbid alluding to it aswell then :-P

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MORA:

:P

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Juski:

compiling mytharchive again

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Darthy:

is here anybody who can give me a sorted channels.conf for astra 19 with mainly german channels ?

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Darthy:

its pretty standard i think..

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maniacxs:

Darthy: it is in one of the dvb* packages

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maniacxs:

Darthy: if you like to talk in german come to: #mythtv-de

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Bjerre:

Anyone here who has succesfully been debugging myth ? I can't step into shared libs (using either KDevelop, ddd or kdbg frontends).

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SpicyChronos:

hi all.

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Juski:

hey psofa

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psofa:

hi

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Juski:

I just changed channels in super fast time.. if you're on the same mux it's fastest :)

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psofa:

:)

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psofa:

Juski, really?

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psofa:

cool

[22:53:50]

Juski:

really

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psofa:

at last

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Juski:

like I;m on more4 now

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Juski:

changing to e4 (next chan)...

[22:54:09]

Juski:

now

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Juski:

and NOW

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psofa:

Oo

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Juski:

channel changed :-)

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Juski:

< 4 secs

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SpicyChronos:

I have a question, if someone could help me.

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armand:

spicychronos: easier to just ask the question :)

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Juski:

spit it out!

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SpicyChronos:

alrighty. I am running FC4, w/PVR-150, and I can't get the channels to show.

[22:57:37]

SpicyChronos:

all I get is black snow w/horiz colored lines in it.

[22:57:53]

SpicyChronos:

I've tried ivtv-tune to change channels, but nothing changes.

[22:57:59]

SpicyChronos:

the card works under windows.

[22:58:22]

SpicyChronos:

i'm using wilsonet faq.

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SpicyChronos:

what am I doing wrong?

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Juski:

well it obviously _works_, if you can see stuff

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Juski:

I take it you're doing the cat /dev/video0 test

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SpicyChronos:

okay, yes, FC4 see's the card, and I can talk to it, I'm using coax in from my cable.

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SpicyChronos:

yes I tried the cat, and the mplayer.

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SpicyChronos:

charter cable if it helps.

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SpicyChronos:

could I have the wrong input set?

[23:02:06]

SpicyChronos:

I don't know how to change inputs.

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Juski:

could be using the wrong freq. table

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SpicyChronos:

okay, how do I change the freq table?

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Juski:

you tell the tuning script which table to use IIRC

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SpicyChronos:

okay, i'm still a newbie, how do I do that?

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Juski:

SpicyChronos: I'd guess there'd be examples of how to use the tuning script in its documentation.. or using it with --help might shed some light on it

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SpicyChronos:

okay, I see --freqtable=STRING set freqency map to use. so I use somethign like us-cable, us-cable-hrc, or something like that?

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Juski:

that's about it

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SpicyChronos:

okay, I tired it and it just shows the help screen again.

[23:10:15]

SpicyChronos:

i typed ivtv-tune -t us-cable

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psofa:

Juski, do i need any ./configure option for the ogl ui?

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psofa:

because im gonna just modify the 0.19 ebuild :)

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Juski:

psofa... no

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Juski:

SpicyChronos: you also need to give it a channel number

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Juski:

anyone using ubuntu breezy here who can tell me where I can find the deb for xvattr ?

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SpicyChronos:

okay Juski: I did that, and it reported back /dev/video0: 0.000 MHz

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SpicyChronos:

I used us-cable and channel 4

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Juski:

SpicyChronos: when you did the 'dmesg' to check the drivers had loaded, did it say the tuner was detected okay?

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AngryElf:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16815116620 That card has "1042" in its title....the other PVR-150s do not, what does it mean?

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Juski:

AngryElf: how the hell should we know? it's prolly just the model number – nothing to worry about

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SpicyChronos:

Juski: I typed /bin/dmesg |grep Initalized and nothing shows

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Juski:

SpicyChronos: you have to do dmesg | grep ivtv

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Juski:

but if the system has been up a while the ivtv messages might've been pushed off

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SpicyChronos:

Juski: it looks like it sees it. no errors

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AngryElf:

SpicyChronos, i had the same problem with my 500, which is really two 150s......you likely hae the wrong firmware, check out the firmware faq at ivtvdriver.org

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SpicyChronos:

Juski: though there is a unknown parameter "ivt_std"

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Juski:

sounds just like it's not tuned properly to me

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SpicyChronos:

er ivtv_std

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psofa:

soon my trunk ebuild will be ready :D

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SpicyChronos:

okay, i'll take a look, this box is about to go flying out the window.. i've tried the Gentoo version, tried the Ubunto version, now the FC4 version..

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psofa:

and ill switch chans blazing fast!!!

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psofa:

lol

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psofa:

and im sure the fc4 version must be the worse

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SpicyChronos:

t just seems that the guides are not kept up with the changes, firmware updates, etc.. try and follow them to a T, and still run into trouble.

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Juski:

I wouldn't have picked fc, but hey – each to their own

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Juski:

SpicyChronos: one of the keys to succeeding IMHO is reading a lot of material – not just one site. some guides (likely not Jarod's) leave stuff out, or don't tell you _why_ you are doing what you need to do ;-)

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dscoular:

morning Juski

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Juski:

morning dscoular

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Juski:

heh I've had livetv going for _ages_ in this cut of svn – no segfaults. I'm not surprised I was having trouble before with the dtv_multiplex frequencies being messed up

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psofa:

is myththemes required by mythtv?

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SpicyChronos:

okay. well like I said, I have been reading, but i'll give this another shot, I just downloaded the latest firmware that's suppose to work with kernal 2.6.16–1.2111_FC4

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Juski:

SpicyChronos: which ivtv version are you using?

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dscoular:

psofa, I don't think it's required.

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Juski:

myththemes is just the extra theme package

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SpicyChronos:

.65?

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SpicyChronos:

0.6.2

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Juski:

ahh okay. just checking you weren't using 0.4.x ;-)

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dscoular:

psofa, mythtv-0.19-fixes svn appears to contain G.A.N.T, DVR, blue and classic

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SpicyChronos:

well I dunno if the orginal was 0.4.x i'm trying to install 0.6.2 now.

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dscoular:

I see more and more postings on mythtv-users about mytharchive... does that mean those people are running mythtv svn trunk ?

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Juski:

SpicyChronos: there's another tuning script you can try.. I can't remember what it's called though

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SpicyChronos:

yum just told me there is nothing to do, does that mean that I already have 0.6.2?

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Juski:

I dunno

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SpicyChronos:

how do I know what ivtv version I have?

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Juski:

the dmesg stuff would tell you I think

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Juski:

dscoular: mytharchive is pretty much a show-stopper plugin :-)

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SpicyChronos:

Yes, i am running 0.6.2

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dscoular:

Juski, but is it only related to svn trunk or can it be used with 0.19-fixes svn ?

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Juski:

trunk

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dscoular:

hmm, must be a lot of brave soles starting to run trunk then I guess

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Juski:

the plus side of that is that more people will test it & report issues.. though the bad side is that a lot of people don't know how to report properly

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SpicyChronos:

okay, I tired switchnig video inputs, S-video works, its something with the tuner.

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Darthy:

i have backend 0.19.20 and minimyth frontend 0.19.12.. all seems up and running, but the frontend tells me (when clicking on tv, recordings), that the backend is not running. whats wrong?

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Darthy:

the ips are double checked, no firewall blocks, mysql up and running.. i dont know any further

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kusznir:

Hi again: I'm trying to configure my slave backend. I set its backend address to itself, and set the master backend IP to the real master (which was previously configured), and rebooted the whole system. My frontend works (using the master backend); however, the master backend aparently only "sees" one tuner. How do I make it see the slave's tuner?

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Darthy:

problem solved!

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MonMotha:

sweet. mythtranscode is using 102% of available CPU time

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AngryElf:

SpicyChronos, where is your firmware located?

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Juski:

Darthy: what was it? /etc/my.cnf ?

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SpicyChronos:

um, I dunno, i'm following jerod's faq wilsonet.com FC4 setup

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SpicyChronos:

I just need to figure out how to get the freqs right for my cable service I guess.

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SpicyChronos:

I'm using charter

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MonMotha:

charter seems to use standard US cable frequencies

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Cardoe:

Juski: gimme a rev # that works good. I'll package it up.

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MonMotha:

not HRC

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Juski:

Cardoe: scanning is borked in 10056 as far as I can tell, so I'd hang on a bit

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Juski:

everything else seems great though :-)

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SpicyChronos:

okay, I tune to channel 4 and it sets the freq to 67.250

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Juski:

SpicyChronos: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /064615.html

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