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Thursday, May 25th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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B-link:

ivtv question: how do i manually change the encoder?

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_nero_:

Anyone know if updating an oldish ivtv driver will lead to better capture quality?

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xris:

_nero_: probably not much...

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_nero_:

didn't think so.. :(

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_nero_:

Somewhere, out of nowhere, I started getting this light patch that moves from left to right across my captures..

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_nero_:

driving me NUTS..

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abarbaccia:

Juski: good – good luck – i gotta run tho – companies over

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Juski:

abarbaccia: heh. see ya

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armand:

anyone have any idea how to reorder encoders?

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armand:

i dont really want to delete them all..

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Juski:

armand: the only way to do it would to mangle with the DB

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Juski:

*would be to

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armand:

need to look harder i guess

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Juski:

look in the capturecard table

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gutano:

anyone ever use a windows MCE remote for myth?

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Juski:

gutano: people do

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armand:

oh thats why, i was looking at settings heh

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titan:

so, Juski, yeah, I get the error when I run mythfilldatabase

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titan:

it complains of bad syntax.

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armand:

so if i just change the hostname on 2 of them, that should do it

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titan:

You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'repeat,stereo,subtitled,hdtv,closecaptioned,tvrating,partnumber,parttotal,endti m' at line 1

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Juski:

titan: is that the whole of the error message?

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titan:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

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titan:

Database error was:

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titan:

and then it prints that

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titan:

that seems to be all.

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titan:

it does that a gajillion times and I just CTRL-C it.

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titan:

err wait

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titan:

DB Error (Inserting into dd_schedule):

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titan:

Query was:

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titan:

INSERT INTO dd_schedule (programid,stationid,scheduletime,duration,repeat,stereo,subtitled,hdtv,closecap tioned,tvrating,partnumber,parttotal,endtime) VALUES('EP8127580011','31555','2006-05–25T17:00:00','01:00:00',0,0,0,0,1,' TV-14',0,0,'2006-05–25T18:00:00');

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titan:

Driver error was [2/1064]:

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titan:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

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titan:

Database error was:

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titan:

You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'repeat,stereo,subtitled,hdtv,closecaptioned,tvrating,partnumber,parttotal,endti m' at line 1

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titan:

then that's all.

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Juski:

nice flood btw ;-)

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titan:

I figured I could make it

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titan:

:-P

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Juski:

syntax looks fine to me

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B-link:

ivtv detects: hardware: cx25840 wm8775 tveeprom

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B-link:

but i have a CX23416–12

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B-link:

how do i change it?

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titan:

hm....why is it complaining about it, then, I wonder....

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Juski:

I've seen people talking about having the wrong charset type in MYSQL, for similar kinds of errors but I have no idea if that is your problem

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Juski:

does the dd_schedule table exist?

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titan:

I'm going to try wiping it all out and starting over

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titan:

uh

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titan:

let's see. I'm bad at SQL syntax

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Juski:

mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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titan:

what would I do (in the SQL console)

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Juski:

then do

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Juski:

show tables;

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titan:

ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'mythconverg

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titan:

show tables' at line 1

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titan:

what the deuce....

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titan:

err wait

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titan:

gah

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titan:

hold on

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Juski:

okay then... just get into the mysql command console

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Juski:

mysql

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titan:

wait no

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Juski:

then do

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titan:

I did it wrong.

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titan:

I have it now

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titan:

hang on

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titan:

it doesn't seem as if that table exists

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titan:

it's not on the list.

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Juski:

okay – dumb question time again

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titan:

:-P

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Juski:

did you set up your capture card & stuff like that?

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titan:

yes....I can watch TV perfectly on TVtime.

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Juski:

specifically, in mythtv-setup did you set up a video source with your datadirect/zap2it account details, and did you then link that to your capture card?

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titan:

yup.

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Juski:

mkay

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threat:

morning

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_nero_:

What is the new DVD burning module thats with svn? mytharchive or something?

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Juski:

titan: I dunno then. I've kinda run dry on ideas there. I don't use zap2it so erm...

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Juski:

_nero_: mytharchive

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titan:

so if I don't use zap2it, it could fix it?

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Juski:

and it's not in svn AFAIK, its in a branch

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_nero_:

ahhh. ok..

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Juski:

titan: you can't use mythtv without program guide data really

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Bung:

so I can do mythtv without video input if i wanted right? its smart enough to just give me the other features?

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titan:

all right, well, thanks for trying, I think I'm going to try wiping everything myth related and starting over.

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_nero_:

I have an xvid copy of 2 episodes of a show that my mom missed.. wanted to burn the to DVD, but am new to DVD authoring in linux.. and am totally lost!!

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Juski:

titan: mythtv-setup – the 1st time you run it, it _should_ create all the tables

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Juski:

(or upgrade an existing DB to the latest schema)

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Juski:

Bung: in theory yes

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Bung:

...in theory

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jams:

_nero_ it's in trunk, but mytharchive is it's own module

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_nero_:

jams- how difficult is it to use?

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jams:

just like mythplugins,mfe,mfd

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Juski:

it's not difficult

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_nero_:

ahh.. ok..

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_nero_:

does it make a simple menu??

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_nero_:

or how does it handle 2 vids on one DVD?

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Juski:

got my fscking terminology mixed up again

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threat:

so how good is SVN? should I use it?

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jams:

_nero_- yeah it will do simple menus

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jams:

pretty much just like nuv2disc

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_nero_:

nice.. is there a wiki article on it? (suppose I should just search huh? ;) )

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jams:

not for sure of any wiki. It does have a readme file

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_nero_:

thanks jams.. I think I'll give this a whirl.. :)

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jams:

at some point I plan on adding the missing features that nuv2disc has, just have not gotten around to it yet

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_nero_:

one random question- the xvid I have is encoded with ac3 sound.. my parents just have a simple dvd player, w/out ac3.. is there anything special I need to do to get the sound to just stereo? Or can a dvd player handle the conversion?

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titan:

Juski, when I install MythTV from the Ubuntu repos, it automatically makes mythconverg

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jams:

the dvd player should handle the conversion

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_nero_:

btw: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArchive

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titan:

but without that one table

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Juski:

_nero_: the DVD player should cope with ac3 just fine

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Juski:

titan: ouch!

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_nero_:

great.. just making sure.. would hate to send the parents 2000 miles back home with a DVD that wont play.. ;)

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Juski:

titan: what might have happenned is that you have different versions of packages together

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Juski:

I dunno if 0.19 is in ubuntu repos yet

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Juski:

I compiled it from source

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_nero_:

ugh.. i have an old version of ffmpeg.. and fc4 doesnt want to let me upgrade to 0.4.9..

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Juski:

titan: you could try dropping the mythconverg DB, then running the mysql < mc.sql command, then mythtv-setup again

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titan:

okay, I'll try that.

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titan:

how do I delete that DB?

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Juski:

DROP DATABASE mythconverg;

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titan:

what the hell

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titan:

this is b0rk....I'm going to try Freevo.

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titan:

:-P

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Juski:

pleh

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** dscoular` waves **

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threat:

hehe

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Juski:

I tried Freevo.. omg

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Juski:

got further with it than I did with Showshifter & media portal though

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titan:

how the hell do you start Freevo? lol

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armand:

wave the wand

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titan:

I followed the three-line "installation instructions"

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titan:

and then the next chapter in the documentation just dives right into navigating the menus and shit

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titan:

where is the damn binary....

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** dscoular` wonders why titan is asking about freevo on a mythtv list **

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** titan is pissed at Myth, that's why **

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armand:

lol

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gutano:

sounds like your endeavor to find a replacement has failed? (pun intended on finding the binary)

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AngryElf:

i've been running myth using a single pvr350, so that's on /dev/video0 — I just added a pvr-500, I know i need to add the aliases (alias char-major-81–1 ivtv) but do i need to do anything else?

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titan:

it looks like all of my myth packages are 0.18.1

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titan:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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titan:

I put in the damn right password....

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Juski:

titan: I suspected as much about the mythtv versions. you need 0.19 really. there _are_ packages for ubuntu somewhere

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Juski:

there's even an ubuntu mythtv guide in the Mythtv wiki

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titan:

I can't do it at all with .18?

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Juski:

.18 is kind of erm... old now

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titan:

oh

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titan:

do you think maybe if I removed that one, revamped my MySQL, and just installed from source?

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Juski:

you can do but that's a whole new adventure

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_nero_:

wow.. that mytharchive is SLICK..

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titan:

hm.

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_nero_:

soooo easy.. game is over..

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jams:

_nero_- you already have it setup?

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Juski:

_nero_: yup. almost like a standalone recorder in its ease of use isn't it? ;-)

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titan:

I think I'll do that

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titan:

x_x

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_nero_:

jams- yup!! took 3 minutes to set up.. :)

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Juski:

titan: biggest word of advice there

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titan:

?

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Juski:

titan: apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins

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titan:

um okay

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_nero_:

and it is convering my video/audio to burn to the dvd, as I type.. :)

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_nero_:

had one little problem with ffmpeg.. but suddenly yum decided it was OK to update.. so all is good now.. :)

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titan:

do that first?

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Juski:

titan: no, just make sure you do it after you've got build-essential or you're in for a very bumpy ride getting dependencies

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titan:

after I've got build-essential?

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titan:

....

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Juski:

titan: check out a howto.. I'll see if I can dig one out

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titan:

k

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Juski:

http://www.phatmonkey.org.uk/2006/02/22/a-ste . . . 9-on-ubuntu/

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Juski:

it'll need some _interpretation_ though

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titan:

thank you much

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titan:

yeah :-P

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Juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_B . . . ation_Guides

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_nero_:

boy.. it sure does take a while to transcode..

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titan:

I'm on Dapper Beta....

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titan:

but maybe the Breezy packages will work.

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_nero_:

ooooh.. I figured out my little video issue.. svid cable was going across the back of the TV.. was causing some interference..

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Juski:

_nero_: eeew... time to upgrade the cable to something less cheap I fear

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_nero_:

yeah- it was the cheapo one that came with the cable box..

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_nero_:

my cable box has svid out, and coax out.. svid is the way to go, right?

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_nero_:

(I think it is.. just want to make sure coax wouldn't be just as good)

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_nero_:

svid analog signal >> coax analog signal ??

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Juski:

muchly so

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_nero_:

thought so..

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_nero_:

its when all is digital (ala hdtv tuners) that it doesnt matter.

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Juski:

oo I'm done making modules now

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_nero_:

count me in as a BIG fan of mytharchive.. talk about easy..

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_nero_:

anyone here used it before? does it ask for a blank DVD when it is ready to burn?

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Juski:

0.20 is going to be erm.. rather good

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_nero_:

to say the least! :)

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_nero_:

i really should get going on mythgallery.. I almost have ken burns effects working for slideshows..

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** _nero_ is the master of starting a project, then getting caught up in something else.. **

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_nero_:

humm.. it would be nice if mytharchive had a progress bar.. its converting the video and I have no idea how long its going to take..

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Juski:

_nero_: nice...

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Vme:

is there a easier version to setup a nexus-s card for dishnetwork of mythtv than another version?

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_nero_:

Juski- then all we need is to be able to set mythgallery slideshows to music..

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** Juski again wonders who ken burns is (or was) ... never heard of him but assume he's some kind of rostrum camera dude **

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Vme:

i've been using 10010, but i've noticed the howtos are lower revisions?

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GreyFoxx:

Vme: That's not supported here

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lwizardl:

i'm trying to do is setup a mythtv box for recording just from VHS and just playing videos back using ubuntu for base os anyone here done this before

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_nero_:

any suggestions on where to get a decent but not way over priced svid cable?

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titan:

time for a swim

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Juski:

_nero_: don't go overboard on the $$$$... just a good quality thickish cable will do... maybe $15 or so

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_nero_:

Juski, but where?? :/ I am thinking I'd have to get it online.. all we have around here are the big chain stores that rip you off on stuff like that.

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Juski:

_nero_: I know where I'd buy one from in the UK ;)

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_nero_:

hehehe.. doh!

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_nero_:

I just got new glasses- they have this "flexon" material frame.. CRAZY stuff..

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Juski:

right that's lirc compiled

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Juski:

part of my presentation planned

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AngryElf:

the second conncetion from my pvr500 /dev/video2 only produces static......are you sure i'm not suppose to have a cable connected to the FM jack??

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Juski:

wtf do you think it's labelled 'FM'?

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_nero_:

Juski, isnt that the new non-encoded, all cable/satellite channels for every service everywhere jack?

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AngryElf:

juski, aren't there settings to block users, you can do it to me?? just like i can live without your comments, thanx

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xris:

so anyone know any good sysadmin / linux hardware people in the seattle area?

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Juski:

AngryElf: the antenna connection is common between the 2 tuners, apart from the FM one

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AngryElf:

k, then why am i getting TV on /dev/video1 and static on vid2?

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Juski:

samsung tuners?

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dscoular`:

AngryElf, does dmesgs or /var/log/messages indicate that it's recognised two tuners ?

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AngryElf:

they show up in mythweb, let me check those 2 places

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dscoular`:

s/dmesgs/dmesg

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dscoular`:

AngryElf, I'd recommend getting the tuners working outwith mythtv first

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lwizardl:

anyone know why when I login as my mythtv user in ubuntu i get the setup program for mythtv and then after i finish the setup app again. then after i login again i get the setup app again and it just repeats this process

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AngryElf:

dmesg says it has initialized wintv pvr500 card #2

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AngryElf:

no errors between the ==IVTV bars==

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dscoular`:

Card #1 being... ?

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AngryElf:

the first pvr500 tuner

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dscoular`:

So wouldn't that be /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 ?

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AngryElf:

i have a 350

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dscoular`:

That's what I was wondering.

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AngryElf:

so the pvr is vid1 and 2.....yea, sorry

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dscoular`:

So what happens when you do the tune, cat /dev/video1 followed by tune, cat /dev/video2 experiment

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AngryElf:

i dont follow, tune? video1 is recording LOST atm, so maybe this isn't the best time, i'll try some things and check back in later

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AngryElf:

thanx tho :)

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dscoular`:

ivtv-tune -taustralia -c10 -d/dev/video2 ?

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dscoular`:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto

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dscoular`:

AngryElf, I'm pretty confident Juski is correct, the input labelled TV is for your analogue TV co-ax, shared between the two tuners and your input labelled FM is for FM radio co-ax shared between the two FM receivers.

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dscoular`:

(AssU_ME)ing that there are two FM receivers.

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mishehu:

hey, don't include me in that

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AngryElf:

where are there -t options? the frequency table?

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jams:

sorry xris, I'm not in the seattle area :)

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AngryElf:

oh, nm

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abarbaccia:

lwizardl: do you still have some questions

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lwizardl:

yes

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abarbaccia:

what's going on

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lwizardl:

anyone know why when I login as my mythtv user in ubuntu i get the setup program for mythtv and then after i finish the setup app again. then after i login again i get the setup app again and it just repeats this process

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abarbaccia:

lwizardl: change you .xsession file

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xris:

jams: oh well... friend of mine turned down the job offer we made him, so we're looking again.

[01:22:28]

jams:

it's a shame i'm looking to move on

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jams:

your company seems relaxed

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abarbaccia:

jams so get up and move to seattle

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jams:

yeah that isn't going to happen. Wife likes it hear

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jams:

here

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lwizardl:

change it to what ?

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abarbaccia:

lwizardl: delete the ~/.xsession file or or just go and change it from mythtv-setup to mythfrontend

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hpAuto:

anyone know why my colors are inverted now with the latest svn mythtv?

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hpAuto:

ok, so how do you adjust the hue, arrow keys don't do anything

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hpAuto:

are color adjustment settings in the database?

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titan:

what the deuce, now....?

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titan:

my system has no gcc

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_nero_:

who did mytharchive?

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titan:

what the gayness

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jams:

_nero_- guys name is Paul Harrison

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_nero_:

I want to send him some beer.. :)

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jams:

he doesn't visit irc much

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_nero_:

its good stuff! :)

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jams:

it's based off mythburn

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_nero_:

I just cant get over how easy it is..

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dscoular`:

wonder if it takes into account the cutlist when estimating size requirements... mythburn didn't.

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scottder:

Hey all, I am thinking of getting a DVD drive for my MythTV box...

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scottder:

think a 1ghz machine would be up to the job of ripping DVDs to say Divx?

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xris:

scottder: slow

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_nero_:

dscoular, one thing I noticed- I was burning an xvid file, and it way underestimated the size requirements..

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dscoular`:

yeah... I'm trawling through the python source looking for how it does size estimates right now

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_nero_:

I'm wondering if the best way to estimate size would be from the video length, rather than file size..

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dscoular`:

_nero_, yeah maybe, length * max bitrate

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_nero_:

yup..

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_nero_:

never the less.. it is still slick as can be..

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dscoular`:

totalvideosize,totalaudiosize,totalmenusize=calculateFileSizes(files)

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dscoular`:

Guess the key method is calculateFileSizes

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scottder:

xris, I figured....I don't mind doing them overnight...

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dscoular`:

Might be okay, as it appears to calculate the file sizes after it has extracted the video

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scottder:

mostly I want to do it for DVDs for my son

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scottder:

the ones he wants to watch 9000x

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scottder:

I've had minmal luck ripping them under windows

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_nero_:

dscoular, not for the initial estimate where it shows you how many files you can put on the disk..

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dscoular`:

bugger

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ficusplanet:

Hey everyone. I've two lines that are slightly lighter than the rest of my SDTV picture that slowly travel from the bottom of the screen to the top repeatedly. Any idea what that could be?

[01:55:30]

_nero_:

dscoular, it takes quite a while to extract the video if it isn't already mpeg2.. so I think that initial estimate should be some sort of length*typical DVD bitrate..

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dscoular`:

Where length takes into account the cutlist.

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_nero_:

yup.

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_nero_:

according to this last one- the total size was going to be 1.2gigs, in reality it is closer to 2.2 gigs..

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J-e-f-f-A:

ficusplanet: Sounds like a ground-loop. Are you using cable tv?

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ficusplanet:

J-e-f-f-A: Yeah.

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dscoular`:

At least mytharchive is written in python... should be easier to enhance and maintain than the mythburn shell scripts.

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J-e-f-f-A:

ficusplanet: Try putting a splitter between your PC and the cable connection, and if that doesn't work, I think that Radio Shack has an RF ground-loop isolator... I'll look on their site now...

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ficusplanet:

J-e-f-f-A: Sweet. Thanks

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K|NgGh0sT:

can someone help me with display issues? http://pastebin.ca/58362

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J-e-f-f-A:

ficusplanet: Humm... Doesn't look like RS has them (at least not anymore...) Looking elsewhere...

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J-e-f-f-A:

ficusplanet: lots of info here: http://www.epanorama.net/documents/groundloop . . . uilding.html

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ficusplanet:

J-e-f-f-A: Hold on a second. I'm going to try to pop in a different splitter at the next commercial break. ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

ficusplanet: It might not do the trick, since the grounds are still tied together in the splitter. On that site they suggest maybe using two 75->300 adapters back-to-back like this 75–300<>300–75 That would do the trick, but I'm not sure how much loss you'd get...

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ficusplanet:

J-e-f-f-A: Well, I've got one of those motorola signal boosters on the line, so I can afford a bit of signal loss.

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J-e-f-f-A:

ficusplanet: That may be your issue too... it may be up too high (is it adjustable?)

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ficusplanet:

J-e-f-f-A: No, I just put the signal booster on and it didn't seem to affect the lines at all.

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J-e-f-f-A:

ficusplanet: Is it on all channels?

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ficusplanet:

J-e-f-f-A: Yes.

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J-e-f-f-A:

How long is the cable from the cable-tv jack to your computer? Is it run along side of ac power cords?

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ficusplanet:

J-e-f-f-A: It is along power cords. Only 2–3 feet from the cable jack.

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beyonddeath:

also ficusplanet, is the cable rg59 or rg6, or some other lower quality cable... if so that could be your problem

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Drag0n:

anyone in here played with the new pchdtv hd-5500 yet?

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J-e-f-f-A:

ficusplanet: See if lifting it away from the power cords temporarily makes any difference.

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ficusplanet:

beyonddeath: I believe it's rg6.

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beyonddeath:

only other thing i can say is make sure the cable's end is on properly, (ie the compression fitting is fully compressed, or the crimp isnt pulling away)

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ficusplanet:

J-e-f-f-A: Pulling the cables away from the power cables does appear to make a difference. Guess I just need to rearrange things a bit.

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J-e-f-f-A:

ficusplanet: Yeah, either that, or get a piece of real RG6-QS (quad-shield) to use... that should eliminate the interference.

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ficusplanet:

J-e-f-f-A, beyonddeath: Cool. Thanks for the help.

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J-e-f-f-A:

ficusplanet: Where are you located? Maybe I could send you a couple of short RG6-QS cables...

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cythrault:

oups

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cythrault:

sorry for the temp trigger

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ficusplanet:

J-e-f-f-A: In Missouri. I can just pick some up. Don't worry about it.

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cythrault:

old stuf from my ircrc

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J-e-f-f-A:

ficusplanet: that's cool. For the best quality, make sure it's Quad Shield... Then you could probably run it right next to the power cords without any interference... (maybe...)

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ficusplanet:

J-e-f-f-A: Cool. I'll give it a shot.

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J-e-f-f-A:

ficusplanet: and if you've got a wire to your TV too, replace it as well...

[02:24:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

So, has Beirdo made his way out to PR yet?

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sphing__:

xris: your client stable now?

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xris:

sphing_: client? you mean my video issues?

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sphing:

o i thought it was your xchat or something that kept crashing

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sphing:

anywho... is there anything special i have to say to comcast to make sure i get the motorola box with firewire?

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hpAuto:

anyone know why all my menu items are blank?

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hpAuto:

only theme that actually works is mediacenter

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scottder:

Anyone using a USB2.0 drive with MythTV? I am thinking of getting one (with a USB 2.0 card since this box ony has USB 1.1).

[02:51:33]

scottder:

probably just for MythVideo and MythMusic

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dscoular`:

scottder, I have the AverMedia AverTV USB-2.0 DVB-T box... it works

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dscoular`:

mind you, it's DVB-T

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scottder:

Well I am just thinking a USB based external HD

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dscoular`:

Doh!

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dscoular`:

sorry

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scottder:

heh s'ok

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** dscoular` jumps to the gun as usual **

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** scottder is stoked, he is getting an LCD TV soon.... **

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J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: how big?

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beyonddeath:

I had a usb hd, never used it with myth, however the access speed was about the same as an ide based drive, only downside is they arn't too stable

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scottder:

J-e-f-f-A: probably 250 gig or so

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J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: 250gig lcd? Wow, that's pretty big! ;-)

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dscoular`:

I have a dual USB-2.0/Firewire external case... you might consider getting a double speed firewire card and drive case. I think it's called i800 vs. i400.

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mchou:

scottder: external drives are noisier than internal drives

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dscoular`:

mchou, depends on the box it's in I'd have thought

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scottder:

mchou: true...though internal is all pretty crammed, at least in the case I have now

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scottder:

2 60 gb drives

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mchou:

scottder: and if you still have only USB 1.1 on mobo it's time to seriously think about a system upgrade.....

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** scottder built hsi myth box mostly from "spare" parts **

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scottder:

It's a 1ghz box...

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scottder:

only doing standard def right now

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dscoular`:

(Firewire i400) = /dev/sdb:

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dscoular`:

Timing cached reads: 3212 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1605.90 MB/sec

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dscoular`:

Timing buffered disk reads: 60 MB in 3.09 seconds = 19.43 MB/sec

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** J-e-f-f-A Jeff has built his backend from mostly spare parts too... Dual PIII 866mhz... **

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dscoular`:

(SATA internal) /dev/sda:

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dscoular`:

Timing cached reads: 3216 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1607.90 MB/sec

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dscoular`:

Timing buffered disk reads: 112 MB in 3.03 seconds = 36.94 MB/sec

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mchou:

scottder: frys/outpost have nice amd64 XP3000 rtail proc + mobo for $99 all the time......

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scottder:

mine is a 1ghz PIII ...can'ty even put more than 512MB of Ram on it :(

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mchou:

scottder: I bought one just last wk and couldnt be more pleased.

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mkrufky:

i've got 3 tuner cards in my backend server... i am never recording more than 2 shows at a time, but if i am watching livetv, and it wants to record using that tuner, i run into trouble... is there any way for me to force liveTV to use the 3rd tuner?

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mchou:

scottder: my idle temp right now is 29C

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scottder:

mchou: I am sure I'll upgrade it down the road

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scottder:

I build this to show my wife it works and works well....

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scottder:

she's already hooked on it

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mchou:

scottder: much quieter, cooler, and less power consumption

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J-e-f-f-A:

mkrufky: there's an option to "Avoid scheduler conflicts" somewhere.

[02:59:44]

mkrufky:

J-e-f-f-A: ok, i will look for that

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mkrufky:

thanx

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mchou:

scottder: I retired all my AthlonXPs.....

[03:00:14]

tewk:

When I switch channels, often the audio doesn't tune correctly. If I switch back and forth between two channels, eventually the audio tunes in correctly. I have a PVR-500

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scottder:

mchou: My desktop is still an Athlon XP :)

[03:00:21]

mchou:

scottder: what a relief :) Plus easier on the pocket book now in terms of the util bill

[03:00:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

mkrufky: It 'attempts' to tune Live TV to a tuner that's not going to be used for a recording soon IIRC...

[03:00:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Where did you retire them to? Can I offer a free retirement service? ;-)

[03:00:55]

mkrufky:

ive got my machine tset up to record any show that i MIGHT have any remote desire to ever watch

[03:01:02]

mkrufky:

800gb, cant go wrong

[03:01:05]

mkrufky:

:-P

[03:01:24]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: no, you gotta pay. One of then is XP2600+ :)

[03:01:25]

scottder:

Co-worker of mine has 3TB on his myth

[03:01:31]

scottder:

fricken insane

[03:01:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

mkrufky: I'm just behind you with 800gb, after formatting is 760gb...

[03:01:47]

mkrufky:

oh, me too

[03:01:52]

mkrufky:

i bet we're using the same driver

[03:01:54]

mkrufky:

driveS

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** scottder has 120gb....fear me **

[03:02:01]

scottder:

but 120gb that cost me 0 :)

[03:02:14]

mkrufky:

those WD4000YR's are great

[03:02:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: My main winblows desktop is an XP2500+... New desktop is Athlon64 3000+

[03:02:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

I got my 200's on "Black Friday"... $39 each after rebate! ;-)

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: anyway, I'm surprise how long I put up with the heat and noise of athlonXP.....

[03:03:09]

mkrufky:

wowowo

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mchou:

there is no going back now :)

[03:03:53]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: seriously a night/day difference

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: My current backend is a dual PIII 866 w/512mb ram... 3 analog tuners (PVR-500 and PVR-250) fed S-Video from Dish Network receivers, and an HD3000... Tucked away in the basement. Not quiet at all, but who cares, it's in the basement! ;-)

[03:04:59]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: you use cool 'n quiet on your amd64?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Haven't done much on it yet--- Tried out XP64 – don't like it — no *** drivers for the stupid thing... FC4 64 is pretty darn fast tho!

[03:05:48]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: noise is not the main point. Power consumption is.

[03:06:18]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: you be surprised at the power savings

[03:06:30]

scottder:

next thng I need to do is figure out why, every so often MythMusic crashes the frontend...

[03:06:33]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: drivers for what?

[03:06:36]

scottder:

kinda random....just happens

[03:06:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, I have to admit, since I've got my backend up & running great and running 24x7, the power bill has gone up a bit... (probably approx 400 watts 24x7...)

[03:07:03]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: oh, you meant winblows

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mchou:

using winblows on amd64 is a COMPLETE waste

[03:07:53]

scottder:

unless you want to pay games :)

[03:07:56]

scottder:

play

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: xp64 didn't detect my sound card, video card, network, etc. I had to manually install each driver. They were present in the OS, but it didn't detect a darn thing... 800x600 in 16 color svga – yuck.

[03:08:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: you said it right the first time — PAY !!!

[03:08:24]

mchou:

scottder: are there 64bit windows games except Far Cry?

[03:08:44]

scottder:

I thonk there are a few companies that have released 64 bit versions

[03:08:59]

scottder:

But Vista will be out any...decade...now :)

[03:09:09]

mchou:

scottder: my point exactly.... a waste

[03:09:19]

LabMonkey:

anyone have experience using a Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 500 MCE with mythtv?

[03:09:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: The amd 64-bit driver wouldn't even play HDTV... Swapped it out for a real card – an Nvidia, and HD is great...

[03:09:22]

scottder:

For now, I agree...

[03:09:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

LabMonkey: I have one — works great... What's up?

[03:09:53]

LabMonkey:

J-e-f-f-A: just thinking about building a backend box with a couple of them and a frontend box with one

[03:10:23]

LabMonkey:

J-e-f-f-A: could the backend box record two streams simultaneously on one card?

[03:10:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

LabMonkey: I've got a PVR-500, PVR-250 and a HD3000 in the same box. Works great.

[03:10:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

LabMonkey: Yes, the 500 has dual tuners.

[03:10:47]

LabMonkey:

coolies

[03:10:56]

LabMonkey:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks for the info :)

[03:11:02]

LabMonkey:

oh, and it's all hardware encoding, right?

[03:11:24]

scottder:

I poked around before....is the HD5500 any different than the HD3000

[03:11:39]

LabMonkey:

ie. a ~1.5–2Ghz box woud be using rather low CPU even recording four streams, right?

[03:11:48]

mchou:

scottder: uses a better tuner in theory

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J-e-f-f-A:

LabMonkey: If you're going to use it with svideo or composite video, make sure it comes with the connectors for the 2nd tuner (a plate with the connectors on it that plugs into a port on the pvr500)

[03:12:00]

mkrufky:

scottder: hd5500 is almost identical to FusionHDTV5 Gold

[03:12:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

Labmonkey: yes – seperate hardware encoders for each tuner.

[03:12:05]

LabMonkey:

J-e-f-f-A: just standard cable

[03:12:20]

scottder:

I'll have and HDTV soon, so this stuff may actually matter soon :)

[03:12:26]

mkrufky:

scottder: also, HD5500 will be supported in 2.6.18

[03:12:29]

mchou:

mkrufky: yeah, I know which I'd pick :)

[03:12:35]

mkrufky:

?

[03:12:49]

** mkrufky must be missing something **

[03:12:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: Humm. Hadn't heard of the HD5500 yet... new? Or have I been in a cave?

[03:13:03]

mchou:

mkrufky: nah, it's a lame joke

[03:13:16]

LabMonkey:

I'm waiting for directv et al to do whatever it is they're going to do in the way of hdtv before I start worrying about HD tuner cards

[03:13:17]

mkrufky:

hd5500 is waaaaaay better than hd3000

[03:13:32]

mkrufky:

hd3000 uses the oren stuff, too much annoying firmware loaing ...

[03:13:44]

mkrufky:

hd5500 uses lg stuff --

[03:14:04]

mchou:

mkrufky: hd5500 doesnt need firmware? :)

[03:14:11]

mkrufky:

nope

[03:14:29]

mkrufky:

hd5500 uses LG-H064F

[03:14:44]

mkrufky:

this is tua6034 + lgdt3303

[03:14:59]

mkrufky:

works very well for both analog and digital

[03:15:11]

mchou:

bah!

[03:15:23]

LabMonkey:

who was it that bought voom?

[03:15:26]

mkrufky:

same NIM can be founf in FusionHDTV5 Lite / Gold / USB

[03:15:27]

mchou:

I resigned to using firewire with STBs

[03:15:35]

mchou:

i'm*

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mkrufky:

also in HD5000 (bbti airstar)

[03:15:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

That make me sick... $129 for the HD5500??? I paid $249 for my HD3000 during the 'broadcast flag' scare... :-(

[03:16:14]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: haha!!

[03:16:22]

scottder:

My Cable company offers high def. I think it has a firewire output

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: wait till the PC cards with cablecard come out :)

[03:16:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, well, I would have been the one laughing if it went through! ;-)

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mkrufky:

i didnt even realize HD5500 was available yet

[03:17:22]

mkrufky:

get FusionHDTV5 Gold instead — it is way cheaper for the exact same hardware

[03:17:31]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: nah, the rpugs would have seen a MASSIVE revolt if they voted for BF

[03:17:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: By FCC law they have to offer a firewire box for HDTV. But they don't have to give it to you unless you request it.

[03:17:50]

** mchou agrees with mkrufky **

[03:18:07]

mkrufky:

my might notice my sign-off on the driver's kernel patch ;-)

[03:18:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

mkrufky: Was that english? ;-)

[03:18:34]

mchou:

mkrufky: in fact, I'd even go for the lite for the price conscious

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mkrufky:

hmm, if nobody understood it... probably better off — i should keep my mouth shut ;-)

[03:19:09]

mchou:

mkrufky: even if lite uses bt878 :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

[03:19:16]

mkrufky:

lite works very well too... although gold is better for analog

[03:19:28]

mkrufky:

oh... we support VBI on cx88 now

[03:19:35]

mkrufky:

(closed captions)

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mchou:

mkrufky: really??

[03:19:55]

mkrufky:

yah ... also slated for inclusion into 2.6.18

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mchou:

that's interesting.....

[03:20:53]

mchou:

I wish vbi was properly supported on pvr-x50s

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mkrufky:

it is!

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mkrufky:

??? what are u talking about?

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mchou:

cause there is no way I'd use SW encode when I have 5 pvr150s :)

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mchou:

mkrufky: if so, that's news to me

[03:21:41]

mkrufky:

ivtv has superior vbi code

[03:22:04]

mkrufky:

hmm i cant speak much about this — i dont know vbi so well

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mchou:

mkrufky: well, maybe myth doesnt decode the vbi from ivtv then :)

[03:22:18]

mkrufky:

but all i do know is that whenever i have a question, it is the ivtv guys that know the answer abou it

[03:22:24]

mkrufky:

that could be it

[03:22:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

mkrufky,mchou: I think the VBI support is only on the 250 and 350...

[03:22:48]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: yup, that was my understanding :)

[03:23:12]

mkrufky:

as of today, cx25840 supports sliced vbi

[03:23:17]

mkrufky:

so, i think you're right

[03:23:28]

mkrufky:

pvr150 and pvr500 are based on cx25840

[03:23:41]

mkrufky:

so that would explain why they dont support it yet

[03:24:03]

mkrufky:

the older ivtv cards use saa7115 instead

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mchou:

mkrufky: so are you saying VBI IS supported on PVR-150 by ivtv?

[03:24:14]

mkrufky:

as of today, yes

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mchou:

mkrufky: linky o patch? :)

[03:24:31]

mchou:

to*

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mkrufky:

hang on

[03:24:47]

mkrufky:

didnt get merged into v4l-dvb master yet

[03:24:47]

mkrufky:

but

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mkrufky:

http://linuxtv.org/hg/~hverkuil/cx25836

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mchou:

hmm, nice

[03:25:23]

mkrufky:

if you'd like to try...... you have to download that tree, do 'make ivtv && make && make install'

[03:25:40]

mchou:

yeah, I'll give it a shot

[03:25:41]

mkrufky:

for real howto, see linuxtv.org wiki

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mchou:

not top priority though :)

[03:26:07]

mchou:

now that the TV season has ended.....

[03:26:29]

mkrufky:

hehehehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: kewl. The only thing I'm really interested about with VBI support is duplicate-program checking...

[03:26:53]

mkrufky:

does anybody in here use the fusionhdtv5 usb box?

[03:27:03]

mkrufky:

i am wondering if people are still having bugs

[03:27:10]

mchou:

mkrufky: you have one?

[03:27:15]

mkrufky:

i wrote the driver

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mchou:

mkrufky: yeah, but it could have been a loaner :)

[03:28:13]

mkrufky:

true

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mkrufky:

its mine

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mchou:

mkrufky: would you recommend the USB one vs. PCI?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mkrufky: How much bandwidth does HDTV take on usb2?

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mkrufky:

hmm i dont know exactly

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mkrufky:

but it takes a lot less bandwidth if the device has PID filters

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mkrufky:

(this one does not)

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mkrufky:

mchou: well, right now the usb only supports atsc ... i never got around to analog video

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mkrufky:

i dont feel very motivated to get that done quite yet

[03:30:07]

mchou:

mkrufky: so no QAM?

[03:30:10]

mkrufky:

yes QAM

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mkrufky:

QAM and VSB both work

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J-e-f-f-A:

mkrufky: That's all I use my HD3000 for... ;-) Who wants to watch Analog TV after having digital satellite and a HD tuner... I forgot how horrible analog TV looked...

[03:30:57]

mkrufky:

exactly!

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mkrufky:

:-P

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J-e-f-f-A:

Now if I could just write a Linux Driver to emulate a HD for my DishPlayer receiver... ;-)

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mkrufky:

where is this "Avoid scheduler conflicts" option? i cant find it anywhere

[03:33:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

mkrufky: Hold on — I'll find it for ya...

[03:33:22]

mkrufky:

thanx

[03:35:21]

mkrufky:

well, i know this channel is logged, so i want to say this: anybody using fusionhdtv5 usb with 2.6.16 and having problems changing channels needs to get the latest 2.6.16.y ..... i think i fixed the bug in 2.6.16.5 , but i cant remember

[03:35:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

Main Menu -> Utilities/Setup -> Setup -> TV Settings -> General -> "Avoid conflict between Live TV and Scheduled Shows"

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mkrufky:

i only had a few testers, so we didnt notice the bug right away

[03:36:28]

mkrufky:

AWESOME! found it

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mkrufky:

thanks a lot

[03:36:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

No problemo!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Time to catch some zzz's.... Goodnight guys!

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mkrufky:

nice talking to ya

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J-e-f-f-A:

you too... ttyl...

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sapbeast:

hmmm getting closer with transcoding

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sapbeast:

still not exact size i desire

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VlivE:

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Varanger:

mchou: are you here?

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AngryElf:

guys, i'm getting static across both of my pvr500 tuners, I added the aliases for ivtv and /dev/video(0,1,2) exist (I have a 350 also)

[04:37:24]

AngryElf:

then i deleted all tuners in mythtv-setup and re-added them so the 350 is the first tuner, and set all three up identically

[04:38:03]

dscoular`:

AngryElf, did you first get them working outwith mythtv ?

[04:38:15]

AngryElf:

no, i wasn't able to, i tried what you said

[04:38:56]

AngryElf:

i could've sworn the first 500 one was working, but i could be mistaken

[04:39:11]

dscoular`:

AngryElf, getting them working outwith mythtv is a fundamental requirement before trying mythtv methinks

[04:39:22]

dscoular`:

AngryElf, you said it was earlier

[04:39:55]

AngryElf:

yea, but i messed around with them some more and now they both def. doens't work, so i'm not so sure what it was like before

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dscoular`:

AngryElf, I'll have a look at the ivtv doco... it's two years since I had a pvr-350 installed.

[04:41:04]

dscoular`:

The first step is to get them working with a simple cat /dev/video{0,1,2}

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AngryElf:

the 350 is working fine

[04:43:24]

dscoular`:

So... use the 350 to check your understanding of ivtv-tune and ivtvctl

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dscoular`:

AngryElf, what distro ?

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dscoular`:

ivtvctl -a -d /dev/video? (try this for 0,1 and 2) this should list all info it can about each card

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AngryElf:

ubuntu....i can really see anything relevant with all that info.....they all pretty much look the same

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AngryElf:

*can't

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dscoular`:

Doesn't it list each cards set of inputs ?

[04:50:29]

dscoular`:

Can you distinguish between the pvr-350 and 500 ?

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dscoular`:

I'm trying to see that your mapping of video devices to cardinputs looks ok

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AngryElf:

i can see all the inputs

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AngryElf:

so there's a bunch more on the 350 than on the two 500s

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dscoular`:

So, shouldn't you have 5 video devices altogether ?

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dscoular`:

/dev/video0 = 350, /dev/video1 and /dev/video2 for the first pvr-500, and /dev/video3 and /dev/video4 for the second pvr-500 ?

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AngryElf:

sorry, i only have one 500

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AngryElf:

so video0 = 350

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AngryElf:

1&2 are the 500

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dscoular`:

Ah... that's what I thought till your last statement " on the 350 than on the two 500s"

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AngryElf:

yea, so only 3 devices show up

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dscoular`:

Which is good, yes ?

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AngryElf:

yea

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dscoular`:

And it looks like each device in /dev/video? is communicating with the appropriate card.

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AngryElf:

hmm

[04:57:43]

AngryElf:

this is interesting

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dscoular`:

"this" would be what ?

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AngryElf:

i disabled the third one in mythtv-setup, so /dev/video2 is down — in mythweb it's calling them Encoder 1 and Encoder 4

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dscoular`:

From first principles... I'd be ignoring mythtv-setup till we figure out how to tune without mythtv.

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dscoular`:

Encoder 1 and Encoder 4 are probably just the auto-increment in the database as you add and removed card configs

[05:00:25]

dscoular`:

The fact that you have /dev/video

[05:00:41]

dscoular`:

The fact that you have /dev/video? entries communicating with the devices is a great start

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dscoular`:

Can you try tuning your 350 via ivtv-tune

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AngryElf:

yea, that works fine

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dscoular`:

ok, what arguments did you give ?

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AngryElf:

ivtv-tune -tus-cable -c35 -d/dev/video0

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AngryElf:

i switched the cables running to the two cards so it can't be that...

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dscoular`:

Good.

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dscoular`:

ivtv-tune give any indication that it has succeeded or failed ?

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AngryElf:

doubt that's it

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AngryElf:

if i disconnect the 350 and record from it

[05:07:10]

AngryElf:

i get a different kind of static than i get from the 500

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dscoular`:

I'm wondering if you need different firmware for the 500 or you need to set the tv standard via ivtv-ctl

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dscoular`:

wget ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-pvr_150-5 . . . 24.23035.zip

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endless_us:

need help for right way of setting up IRTrans & lcdproc on ubuntu. PLEASE!!!

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dscoular`:

I guess you already followed this: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu

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dscoular`:

AngryElf, when you did the ivtv-ctl -a did it tell you the standard for both cards was set ?

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AngryElf:

for all three tuners it had ntsc

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dscoular`:

AngryElf, ie. NTSC vs. PAL

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dscoular`:

AngryElf, and you have all the firmware

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AngryElf:

the 350 works fine

[05:12:12]

dscoular`:

Yes, but the 500 appears to have different firmware.

[05:12:32]

dscoular`:

I'm asking if you followed that guide and loaded all the appropriate firmware.

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AngryElf:

i installed ivtv ages ago

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AngryElf:

but there's nothing in that guide about different firmware for the 500

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dscoular`:

sheesh!

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dscoular`:

there is, watch:

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dscoular`:

wget ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-pvr_150-5 . . . 24.23035.zip

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dscoular`:

wget ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-pvr_250-3 . . . 2254_inf.zip

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dscoular`:

Notice the directory names

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threat:

I do

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AngryElf:

so can i just dl the firmware, unzip it and drop it into place then reload?

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[R]:

i've noticed in certain cases when i'm, for instance, on the guide and the myth window doesnt have focus, using my remote doesn't work... is there a way around that?

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dscoular`:

AngryElf, my advice is to follow that guide... also it appears that latest stable ivtv drivers are version 0.4.5. And 0.6.2 for version >= 2.6.16 kernels.

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dscoular`:

<[R]>, you could run without a window manager if you are sure it's a focus issue

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[R]:

dscoular`: well it doesnt work when its not focused, and when i click on it, it then works

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dscoular`:

<[R]>, okay, then that's pretty good grounds to run without a wm

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LabMonkey:

ok uhm

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LabMonkey:

time for another stupid question

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dscoular`:

<[R]>, okay, or check the FAQ for focus issues

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dscoular`:

LabMonkey, fire away

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LabMonkey:

for a hauppage wintv-pvr 500 mce, would I need to connect the card to a soundcard?

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LabMonkey:

I'm thinking about putting two of them in a HTPC box that only has two PCI slots

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** dscoular` thinks AngryElf, might be in a better position to answer **

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xris:

LabMonkey: no

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xris:

the hardware encoder cards do everything themselves

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** dscoular` doesn't think so... but his knowledge of such things is rusty **

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LabMonkey:

the box will have onboard sound, but I'm dubious about signal-to-noise ratios with onboard audio

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LabMonkey:

xris: ok but what about when I'm watching live TV?

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xris:

LabMonkey: what do you mean? watching has nothing to do with recording

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xris:

"watching" is just playing back a recorded stream

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LabMonkey:

no I mean watching it live

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LabMonkey:

as it's recording

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xris:

that's the same thing

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xris:

record -> file -> livetv

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LabMonkey:

k

[05:28:06]

LabMonkey:

there will be a slight delay, as it's played back from the recorded stream, right?

[05:28:29]

LabMonkey:

so playback happens independantly of the tuner card(s)

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LabMonkey:

as I said... stupid questions :)

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LabMonkey:

I just need to know all of this stuff before I drop money on hardware

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xris:

not really independently, since playback triggers the card to record, but basically, yes.

[05:31:00]

xris:

especially with .19, livetv is just a special category of recording — it creates files and database entries and keeps them around when you're done watching (with the highest "delete me first" ranking).

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LabMonkey:

yeah I mean I'm flipping through channels, a show starts and I don't know if I wanna watch it or not, but after about 20min I'm hooked. Then at the end I decide I want to keep it and watch it again later

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xris:

while you're watching, you'd just press R (I think) and it'll turn it into a real recording

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AngryElf:

so, i followed that guide.....same problem.....dmesg says it's loading the same firmware file on all "three" cards

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LabMonkey:

I'd rather that it record all the time

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AngryElf:

possibly this is conflicting with my previous installation of ivtv which i compiled/installed?

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LabMonkey:

or record at all times when I'm watching live tv

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xris:

LabMonkey: it does

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LabMonkey:

k

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xris:

but like I said, it marks them with the highest setting so if you run low on disk space, they get tossed

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LabMonkey:

so when I'm flipping through, and that show starts, then I hit R 20 minutes into the show, it'll record the whole show?

[05:33:35]

LabMonkey:

from the start I mean?

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xris:

you can go in after the fact and change that (not sure how, I don't watch live tv through myth), or you can just hit R and it'll record the whole show with the default recording settings

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LabMonkey:

k

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xris:

it'll keep as much of the show as it has

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xris:

so if you change channels while watching, it'll only keep the portion from after you switch back

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LabMonkey:

ok how about this

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dscoular`:

AngryElf, I'd try the latest stable driver.

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LabMonkey:

20 minutes into it I've decided I want to watch the rest of this, but there's another show coming on in 10 minutes that I really want to watch

[05:35:18]

LabMonkey:

since the pvr 500 is a dual tuner, can I still record this show, and switch to the other tuner for the other show?

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xris:

LabMonkey: yes

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xris:

you press R, it starts recording, you press Y and it switches tuner cards

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LabMonkey:

cool

[05:37:47]

LabMonkey:

I'm sure the tricky part will be setting all of that up for a remote, heh

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xris:

just hope your remote has enough buttons. hehy

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LabMonkey:

and of course finding a remote for this setup

[05:38:55]

LabMonkey:

I'm looking at a Cooler Master CM Media 260 case, which has an optional VFD and IR module

[05:39:18]

LabMonkey:

I just need a remote that works with that IR module

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xris:

if you plan to do a lot of tv watching, shell out the $$ for a good harmony remote

[05:39:33]

xris:

it's more a matter of "the module working with linux"

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LabMonkey:

yeah

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LabMonkey:

and the VFD working with linux too

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xris:

LabMonkey: personally, it's not worth the effort. heh

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xris:

though I did finally get my remote hooked up this week (mind you, I've been running mythtv for over 3 years)

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dscoular`:

Wow! 3 years... good work!

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AngryElf:

dscoular, thanx for all your help

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dscoular`:

AngryElf, sorry we couldn't get to a solution for ya

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xris:

dscoular`: I think I've been a dev for most of that, too

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AngryElf:

eventually....

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AngryElf:

cya

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dscoular`:

xris, I wish I had the c++ skills to help... I console myself with helping on the odd ticket.

[05:47:15]

xris:

dscoular`: I have near zero c/c++ skills... that's why I offered to help with mythweb, and ended up writing nuvexport (perl)

[05:47:17]

dscoular`:

oh, and trying to help users over the initial install hurdle

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dscoular`:

Ah, I have OO perl skills... I spend all day coding perl.

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xris:

dscoular`: good. I can put you on the track of figuring out how to get qmake to install a Makefile.PL file... I've looked all over and can't find info...

[05:49:14]

xris:

I have some rudimentary perl bindings for mythtv, but no way to install them

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xris:

well, other than manually

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xris:

I've asked and searched all over the place but no one seems to know how...

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LabMonkey:

ok

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LabMonkey:

another stupid question

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LabMonkey:

I'm flipping through channels on the frontend box

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LabMonkey:

but, the frontend box only has SD tuners in it

[05:52:58]

LabMonkey:

later on I get at least one HD tuner and stick it in a separate backend box

[05:53:27]

LabMonkey:

could I watch something live on the frontend box from the HD tuner in the backend box over the LAN?

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xris:

that's the whole point

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xris:

as long as your lan is fast enough (meaning, no wireless)

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dscoular`:

xris, I've used qmake about a year ago... I can have a look. Module::Install is what I'd recommend if you are planning to have it in CPAN.

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LabMonkey:

yeah I think the frontend box will be 100mbit

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dscoular`:

xris, http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/Module-Install- . . . /Install.pod

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xris:

dscoular`: yeah, I have the Makefile.PL already done. just don't know how to make settings.pro do anything about it

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LabMonkey:

most of the rest of the LAN will be gbit

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dscoular`:

okay, I'll do some research

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xris:

it's more a qmake issue than a perl issue, but I figure perl coders are the ones likely to have dealt with it before.

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LabMonkey:

xris: and when I say live I mean I could flip through HD channels over the network

[05:55:33]

xris:

LabMonkey: again, there's no difference between live and recorded tv

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xris:

I do it all the time

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LabMonkey:

well I understand that live/record is irrelevant as far as the media stream goes

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xris:

I have a single firewire connection in my fe/be box, but often turn on livetv at my workstation to check stuff, etc. works great

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LabMonkey:

I'm mainly concerned about tuner/channel manipulation over the network

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xris:

LabMonkey: the backend handles all of that

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LabMonkey:

so since I have selected the HD card as the source, when I press chan+ the backend will do it for me?

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xris:

yup

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LabMonkey:

awesome

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xris:

frontend doesn't do ANY tuning

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xris:

you run a backend service to do that

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LabMonkey:

right

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xris:

it talks over the network, even if it's localhost->localhost

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LabMonkey:

yeah basically "live" tv is just a recording that is played back after a short delay, right?

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xris:

yeah

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LabMonkey:

k

[05:59:15]

** xris ponders which genre to file "Red Elvises" under **

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LabMonkey:

I mean I think that's how beyondtv works too, which is what I've been using with this damn kworld ATSC-110 card

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xris:

LabMonkey: that card work in linux>

[05:59:31]

xris:

?

[05:59:44]

LabMonkey:

google says "maybe"

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LabMonkey:

ie. recent cvs of dvb supports it, but it's not widely tested or confirmed

[06:00:29]

LabMonkey:

a few people have said "yay I got it to work tonight"

[06:00:36]

LabMonkey:

which implies to me they had to fuck with it for hours

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xris:

ah

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LabMonkey:

only reason it's still in the win box right now is because I don't have a >=1.8Ghz linux box for it

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xris:

that's really pushing the low end of things, too

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LabMonkey:

yeah

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LabMonkey:

I upgraded the win box to 1.8Ghz just to use it at all

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LabMonkey:

now if I'm browsing the web while it's recording the stream gets screwed half the time

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xris:

1.8 is feasible with a good (nvidia) video card

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LabMonkey:

fx5700le

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xris:

should be fine with xvmc compiled in

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LabMonkey:

well

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ivor:

damn it's early.

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LabMonkey:

like I said, this is a winxp box and I'm using beyond tv currently

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LabMonkey:

so I don't know what you're talking about when you say "xvmc compiled in"

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LabMonkey:

it's almost sad... nowadays I know more about linux than I do about windows

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xris:

LabMonkey: that was "for when you get a 1.8G linux box"

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LabMonkey:

ahh

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LabMonkey:

well

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LabMonkey:

I'm spec'ing out a 3Ghz HTPC box right now

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xris:

cool

[06:10:38]

LabMonkey:

looking at about $1100

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xris:

don't spend $$ on the processor unless you need it, though

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LabMonkey:

processor isn't the expensive part

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xris:

my 2.4G non-ht p4 has served me well for years.

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LabMonkey:

well, I'm going with a 3Ghz HT P4 because I can add it to the distcc farm

[06:12:32]

LabMonkey:

all of my linux boxes run Gentoo, so updates/upgrades require CPU

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xris:

ahh

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dscoular`:

xris, wouldn't this let you install files based on extension in arbitrary subdirs of the target dir:

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dscoular`:

perlmod.path=$$target/perl

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xris:

dscoular`: but then qmake would have to figure out where the perl directory, etc is... would rather let perl handle that.

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LabMonkey:

cool thing is that after I build this HTPC, if everything seems to work pretty spiffy then I'll build another one for the living room

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dscoular`:

perlmod.files = perl/*.pm

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dscoular`:

INSTALLS += permod

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dscoular`:

s/permod/perlmod/

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dscoular`:

Ah... gotcha

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xris:

dscoular`: yeah, but then you have to tweak the settings.pro each time, etc... would rather that "make" just call "perl Makefile.PL" and "make install" just call "make install"

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dscoular`:

xris, how about just having your bindings in CPAN and let people build CPAN2rpm things

[06:15:30]

** LabMonkey twitches. **

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xris:

dscoular`: because the bindings tie too closely to the version of mythtv

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** dscoular` goes back to researching **

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xris:

don't want people to upgrade perl::MythTV to the latest .25 when they're running .23 backend

[06:16:37]

dscoular`:

Couldn't it check the protocol of the backend at runtime anyway.

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xris:

dscoular`: yes, but the result is is "die if incompatible"

[06:17:20]

dscoular`:

Sounds fair enough to me.

[06:17:29]

xris:

easier to just have mythtv install it.

[06:17:42]

xris:

can package it up from there.

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dscoular`:

qmake recoginses the system( command ) function

[06:21:05]

dscoular`:

http://doc.trolltech.com/3.0/qmake-commandreference.html

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xris:

dscoular`: ah, that'd probably be enough.

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xris:

wonder why the #qt people didn't just tell me that

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** dscoular` shrugs **

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xris:

thanks. :)

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dscoular`:

anytime

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LabMonkey:

uhm

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LabMonkey:

ok this is kinda OT

[06:26:59]

LabMonkey:

but I'm looking at the VFD/IR module for this case

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LabMonkey:

and it seems to use a parallel connector

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LabMonkey:

is that kinda standard for these things or...?

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xris:

for IR, no

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xris:

check LIRC

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LabMonkey:

and it sort of makes me nervous because I don't see an internal parallel connector on the mobo I'm planning to put on it

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LabMonkey:

ahh

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LabMonkey:

.org?

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xris:

LabMonkey: lirc is pretty much your only option for the IR stuff...

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xris:

I forget the name of the lcd/vfd controller program

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LabMonkey:

xris: lcdproc ring a bell?

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xris:

yes

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xris:

that'd be the one I was thinking of

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endless_us:

need help for right way of setting up IRTrans & lcdproc on Ubuntu. PLEASE!!!

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LabMonkey:

ahh

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LabMonkey:

it's USB

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endless_us:

yes

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dscoular`:

endless_us, and the problem would be what exactly ?

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endless_us:

I have no idea where to start from. I download irtrans, unpacked, and then I need to enable some modules (I read manual) and then run ./setup but is np such command

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LabMonkey:

endless_us: I was talking about the VFD on this HTPC case I'm looking at buying

[07:09:19]

endless_us:

I look over the internet for about a week and trying find how to guide, nothing

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LabMonkey:

endless_us: why irtrans and not lirc?

[07:10:18]

endless_us:

It is zalman case, realy nice case

[07:10:38]

endless_us:

this case has reciver-tranciver

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endless_us:

I think so

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** xris grumbles... 250G drive in a system turned out to only be 200G **

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xris:

does NO good for raid where the other drives are 250

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endless_us:

<LabMonkey>: Any idea where to find how to guide for irtrans and lsdproc?

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LabMonkey:

what is VIVO anyway?

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UBL:

video in

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UBL:

video out

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dscoular:

endless_us, the documentation appears to be here: http://www.irtrans.de/en/download/index.php

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Chicago:

I'm having trouble with a 2.6.16 kernel and the .0.6 ivtv drivers... dmesg is showing. ivtv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_read

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Chicago:

ivtv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog

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Netslayer:

what's the easiest way to capture from a v4l device using the console?

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Chicago:

Netslayer: cp /dev/video0 > test.mpeg

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Netslayer:

Chicago, it's not an mpeg card, it's a v4l

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dscoular:

Chicago, you need 0.6.2 with 2.6.16

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Neovdr25:

Hello to all

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Neovdr25:

Anyone using opengl on ATI RADEON 7000?

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Muppski:

why dont you just ask the question?

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Muppski:

people who dont use it might know the answer too

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adante:

how does recording priority work, higher is better right

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Neovdr25:

I want to get my radeon 7000 works with OPENGL

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Neovdr25:

I am using Mythtv on debian with gnome and I have build epsxe emulator and I need 3d

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Muppski:

Thats not really mythtv related

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Muppski:

http://www.watchland.org/dmcgraw/ati-debian.html <- see what google can do with 2 keywords

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Neovdr25:

Thanks

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adante:

is there anyway i can get myth to allow me to dynamically select which tv tuner card to use

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adante:

as opposed to going into mythtv-setup, changin priorities every time

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stuarta:

morning Juski

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Juski:

morning stuarta

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_nero_:

Howdy Juski..

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Juski:

hi _nero_

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_nero_:

The ac3 dvd works great.. with one exception- on my powerbook it has almost none of the center channel audio.. :/

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Juski:

should go to the cinema where I went last night – they had plenty centre channel action

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_nero_:

hehe

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Muppski:

:D

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stuarta:

watch anything good?

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Juski:

nah. MI-III

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stuarta:

a no though required movie...

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stuarta:

s/though/thought

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Juski:

lipsync was way out for the 1st half hour

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stuarta:

there is dialogue? blimey....

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Juski:

the baddie was good, despite looking the spit of boris johnson

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stuarta:

yucky....

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qu0zl:

boris johnson is scarey looking

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qu0zl:

that'd make a good baddie

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qu0zl:

you sure he wasn't moonlighting? he probably has a lot of free time these days :)

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hashbang:

"ho, ho, ho – you're trying to catch me out here, aren't you?"

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Juski:

lol

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hashbang:

BOJO!

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daxxar:

Anyone know if you can adjust overscan on a VIA EPIA mobo? :-) (integrated tvout)

[10:27:19]

daxxar:

Running a PAL-tv with 720x576Noscale, but it's slightly outside the TV in all directions. :|

[10:31:24]

daxxar:

And does the latest testing of minimyth include the preapp.script-feature? Doesn't seem to work for me. :|

[10:32:54]

Juski:

daxxar: adjust the size of the gui to fit

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qu0zl:

Daxxar, there's a program called vt1622.c that can do that for the vt1622 tv out chip, which is some of the epia boards. Up to the M1000 or so I think

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qu0zl:

it doesnt work on my sp13000 as it's a vt1623 chip

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daxxar:

I'm running the vt1622. :-)

[10:33:05]

Juski:

even when you can adjust overscan you never get it to fit exactly right

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qu0zl:

goggle for vt1622.c and "Beam", i think thats the guys name

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daxxar:

Juski, okay, just adjust GUI and make it also adjust playback?

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qu0zl:

Juski with my tv-out adjuting the gui does no good as theres blank to the left and the top

[10:34:04]

qu0zl:

i need to adjust the tv-out itself, but can't find a way to unfortunately

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qu0zl:

Daxxar, "gcc -lm vt1622.c" to compile it btw, it needs the maths library

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daxxar:

-static. =)

[10:35:19]

daxxar:

Ah, I found the preapp-script-thing. Guess I just needed to RTFM in minimyth.conf. ;-)

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qu0zl:

preapp-script-thing? Does minimyth have a way to adjust the tvout on a vt1623?

[10:35:52]

** qu0zl crosses fingers **

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daxxar:

Nono. ;-)

[10:36:45]

daxxar:

Sorry. It was to mount NFS-stuff automagically.

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ivor:

daxxar: no you can't currently.

[10:37:08]

daxxar:

Earlier you used preapp.script, but in the newer versions you use minimyth.conf or minimyth.script (?)

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ivor:

qu0zl: no vt1622 is just a test app to tweak the 720x576 mode

[10:37:17]

ivor:

and some of the calculations in it are wrong.

[10:37:26]

qu0zl:

that won't adjust the outputted image on your tv?

[10:38:42]

Juski:

is there ever going to be a time when people realise that _not_ seeing all of the image on your tv screen is actually a good thing?

[10:38:59]

ivor:

yes it will, but it will only work for the one mode (720x576noscale)... and won't produce a perfectly correct set of values...

[10:39:06]

qu0zl:

Juski, the problem is that i have big black bars down the left and along the top

[10:39:13]

qu0zl:

i know overscan is good

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qu0zl:

big underscan isnt though

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Juski:

true

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ivor:

AND... once you scale it to not overscan then you're no longer getting a 1:1 noscaled image.

[10:39:33]

ivor:

qu0zl: what mode are you using?

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qu0zl:

720x576NoScale

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Juski:

720x576noscale works great here

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ivor:

and you're geting black bars on the left and top? weird.

[10:39:55]

qu0zl:

yep

[10:40:04]

qu0zl:

another sp13000 guy on the openchrome list gets the exact same

[10:40:07]

qu0zl:

with pal widescreen

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ivor:

ok in that case.... using vt1622 to move the image will let you recentre it.

[10:40:21]

qu0zl:

the tv out chip on the sp13000 is a vt1623 if that makes an difference

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ivor:

oooh hold on..!

[10:40:30]

qu0zl:

it doesn't support my chip unfortunately

[10:40:36]

ivor:

this is a sp13000. ah.

[10:40:51]

qu0zl:

yep :) it's still usable, it's just a little annoying :))

[10:40:59]

ivor:

in that case the modeline is probably broken, the vt1623 needs slightly different timings.

[10:41:21]

qu0zl:

so, i should edit the modeline in the openchrome driver and recompile it?

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ivor:

on the "plus side"... I just so happen to have aquired a vt1623 that I'm playing with at the moment as I twiddle with the TV code.

[10:41:39]

qu0zl:

hehe cool

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ivor:

qu0zl: unfortunately not.

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qu0zl:

ahh glad i asked. that was my next project. saved me trying it

[10:42:31]

ivor:

in fact..... I know exactly why the position is wrong.

[10:42:39]

ivor:

thinking about it.

[10:43:12]

daxxar:

12:36:38 > Juski> is there ever going to be a time when people realise that _not_ seeing all of the image on your tv screen is actually a good thing?

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daxxar:

Okay? :o

[10:44:45]

ivor:

hmm could do with finding a nice testcard image to play with tonight.

[10:44:54]

ivor:

wonder if the bbc one is online somewhere.

[10:45:14]

qu0zl:

Daxxar, if you have too much overscan then adjusting the gui playback size like Juski said should help. I'd imagine that means you're getting into scaling and that'd affect picture quality, I honestly don't know about that stuff

[10:45:28]

_nero_:

is there any way to resize the "config" screens for overscan?

[10:45:38]

_nero_:

Most of my next, back buttons are off the bottom of the screen.. :/

[10:45:42]

qu0zl:

yep _nero_ , in the setup options

[10:45:53]

qu0zl:

adjust gui size, x,y offset and overscan values

[10:46:27]

_nero_:

humm.. must be my aspect ratio then, as I have tried that to no avail..

[10:46:48]

daxxar:

Just to be sure I'm not mixing terminology; overscan is when you can't see the whole GUI on the TV? (Parts are outside the edges of the monitor)

[10:46:51]

Juski:

ivor: look no further.. I have some test images

[10:47:01]

Juski:

daxxar: yep

[10:47:02]

ivor:

! woo.

[10:47:07]

qu0zl:

Daxxar, if it's just the gui then do like Juski said

[10:47:37]

Juski:

anyway you _need_ the tv image to overlap the sides of your TV all the time

[10:48:04]

_nero_:

Juski, you dont "need" it to.. it just looks horrible if you dont.. ;)

[10:48:06]

Juski:

because not all of the tv image is actual _active_ picture. broadcasters assume at least 5% overscan

[10:48:13]

ivor:

Juski: I'm sick, I quite like seeing what's in the overscan area sometimes. :) I overlap by about 2 pixels.

[10:48:23]

qu0zl:

heh i underlap by about an inch :((

[10:48:24]

Juski:

yeah – I mean if you want it to fill your screen

[10:48:29]

ivor:

you see microphones and what not. :)

[10:49:15]

Juski:

I think even HDTV assumes some overscan

[10:49:29]

ivor:

C4 is quite entertaining, you often see the next programs video starting underneath the current program.

[10:49:30]

_nero_:

isn't it possible to just have the TV overscan? Leaving a black border around the TV if you really wanted it, but getting rid of the signal garbage in the outer 5%?

[10:49:47]

daxxar:

Well, for video playback then?

[10:49:48]

ivor:

_nero_: ? eh.

[10:50:00]

** _nero_ hasnt looked in the appearance/tv settings for a while. **

[10:50:27]

_nero_:

ivor- daxxar was saying he didn't want to overscan everything (ex- doesnt want to loose the kicker in kde or something like that, I am assuming)

[10:50:46]

_nero_:

so rather than using the video card overscan.. isnt there a setting to make the video playback window larger than the screen?

[10:50:52]

ivor:

_nero_: oh in that case you'd want to run different video modes

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ivor:

and xrandr to switch depending on the app.

[10:51:20]

_nero_:

ahhh. ok..

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_nero_:

hummm.. for those who use nvidia-settings to do overscan for SDTV, it might be nice to be able to run it with different config files when you start and stop the frontend.

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[10:55:08]

Juski:

ugh the thought of trying to look at the desktop on SDTV :-/

[10:55:15]

Juski:

surf the web on telly :-/

[10:55:51]

_nero_:

Juski, its pretty bad.. but there is the occasional time I want to move a file, or fire something up, but dont want to go over to the other room and ssh in..

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qu0zl:

i launch an xterm minimised in the background when starting mythfrontend for that _nero_. you can alt-tab into it and you don't need to be able to see any desktop stuff to launch it

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_nero_:

qu0zl, I wasnt so much asking for myself (as I dont have a problem with the overscan).. just more.. speculating.. ;)

[10:57:25]

qu0zl:

:)

[10:59:31]

Juski:

time to swap desks

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ivor:

Juski: have mine.

[11:03:40]

Juski:

ivor: ?

[11:03:45]

ivor:

desk.

[11:03:49]

Juski:

heh

[11:04:35]

Juski:

just realised the test images I have are on my desktop machine at home – and it's not turned on (not at 120W idle)

[11:05:06]

ivor:

:) no worries. I can't play with them till this evening anyway.

[11:05:13]

Juski:

ivor: which testcard? 'F' ?

[11:05:24]

ivor:

hmm I ought to check what power my boxes are drawing sometime.

[11:05:58]

qu0zl:

do you find you don't need a home heating system with them on Ivor?

[11:06:05]

ivor:

is that the classic icecream one?

[11:06:24]

ivor:

qu0zl: they;re in the garage actually. and keep it lovely and dry.

[11:06:24]

Juski:

ivor: ftp://ftp.bbc.co.uk/pub/video/stills/tcf.gif

[11:07:24]

Juski:

ivor: there's a 16:9 one somewhere too

[11:07:27]

ivor:

hmm 640x480, have to scale it I guess

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_nero_:

Juski, so the colored bits are supposed to be off screen?

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ivor:

hmm, 640x480 is 4:3 but 720x576 is 5:4.

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Juski:

_nero_: I think so

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Juski:

ivor: remember that pixels for tv are not square ;-)

[11:09:33]

** _nero_ has an idea (doh!).. Ability to bring up a testcard from the gui/TV size adjustment option screen.. **

[11:09:34]

qu0zl:

cool, I must give that a try Juski.

[11:09:55]

qu0zl:

just to get an idea of how much is missing

[11:10:24]

Juski:

I have this grand plan to make GUI adjustment easier but it involves me learning to code

[11:11:08]

Juski:

more test card 'fun' (ooo I say, how much of a train-spotter am I?) http://www.meldrum.co.uk/mhp/testcard/bbc_test.html

[11:11:10]

_nero_:

that pesky coding bit will do it to ya every time.

[11:11:52]

ivor:

Juski: display a test card and have left right up down buttons?

[11:12:03]

Juski:

well, have you ever seen the xbmc setup screen?

[11:12:12]

_nero_:

wikipedia has the 16:9 testcard..

[11:12:17]

_nero_:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_card

[11:12:19]

_nero_:

for HD sets.

[11:12:19]

Juski:

that has 2 arrows, one at top left & one bottom right

[11:12:36]

Juski:

basically, move the arrows til they're at the screen corners – done!

[11:13:58]

ivor:

Juski: unless they're already outside the screen edges....

[11:15:11]

** ivor always gets confused with aspect ratios and square pixels. :( **

[11:15:12]

Juski:

make the arrows big

[11:15:16]

ivor:

:)

[11:16:05]

ivor:

so scaling the image to 720x576 then displaying it and the circle should be round... right.

[11:16:44]

** Juski thinks ivor needs a copy of 'digital video essentials' **

[11:16:58]

ivor:

yeah yeah yeah. I know.

[11:17:51]

Juski:

only thing is they don't have any 4:3 test material

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qu0zl:

Juski, tv pixels are in horizontal lines right? So if you shrink a 720x576 image horizontally only you won't have any picture quality loses from scaling right?

[11:20:17]

qu0zl:

or am I misunderstanding things

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Juski:

qu0zl: strictly speaking they lines going from left to right are continuous

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Juski:

it's very complicated

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ivor:

my goal for the week is to get 1024x576 on the tvout. :)

[11:22:02]

Juski:

why?

[11:22:05]

ivor:

fun

[11:22:10]

qu0zl:

heh

[11:22:14]

Juski:

heheh

[11:22:32]

Juski:

freeview is only 720x576 or 704x576 amorphic

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qu0zl:

those vt1623 chips do up to 1024x1024 right?

[11:22:48]

ivor:

Juski: well I think it should be possible... and that would give nice square pixels for applications running on TV out.

[11:22:54]

ivor:

(for 16:9)

[11:23:07]

Juski:

but the source pixels won't be square

[11:23:30]

ivor:

Juski: yeah I just realised that. :)

[11:23:37]

Juski:

even HDTV doesn't use square pixels ;-)

[11:24:13]

ivor:

qu0zl: both the 1622 and 1623 can handle input up to 1024x768. for vertical out you're limited by the TV spec of 625 or 525 lines.

[11:24:36]

** ivor mutters. **

[11:27:08]

_nero_:

looks like a bunch of the summer of code projects were filled..

[11:27:14]

Juski:

tell folks on the mailing list that then ;-) there are a lot of peeps out there who reckon 1024x1024 is possible and even a few who think it can do more

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ivor:

eh? through TV out? i.e. composite/svideo?

[11:27:52]

ivor:

how can that be possible at all?

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Juski:

ivor: no, through VGA

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Juski:

oh dammit – having another blonde day today

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Watje:

"FATAL: Module ivtv is in use." but it isn't, how can I fix this?

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ivor:

you mean through the VGA out on the TV chip yeah?

[11:28:59]

ivor:

not the normal VGA out?

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Juski:

ivor: ignore me – I just realised I don't know what I mean

[11:29:33]

ivor:

happens. :)

[11:30:53]

Juski:

blimey – looks like all the slots got filled. I wonder which ones will make it. sweeps anyone? ;-)

[11:31:23]

_nero_:

Juski, you mean the SoC?

[11:31:37]

Juski:

yeh

[11:31:57]

_nero_:

I'll give 3 to 1 odds on the UI guy finishing up..

[11:33:38]

Juski:

finishing up? is that good or bad?

[11:33:45]

_nero_:

I'd say good..

[11:33:52]

_nero_:

finishing up all of the UI code??

[11:33:52]

_nero_:

;)

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Juski:

lol

[11:35:06]

Juski:

yeah easy job – take him a week or so I imagine

[11:35:12]

_nero_:

haha

[11:35:26]

_nero_:

unless he is a grad student..

[11:35:45]

_nero_:

then it'll take him the entire summer, and he'll write it all the night before its due..

[11:35:57]

_nero_:

(there is no power greater than that of a procrastinating grad student)

[11:40:24]

LLyric:

I suspect they do it for the Google Glamour

[11:40:49]

_nero_:

LLyric, I almost signed up.. the $$$ isnt too bad..

[11:41:03]

LLyric:

Compared to a Real Job?

[11:41:03]

_nero_:

then I remembered- I have to finish my dissertation this summer.. ack..

[11:41:13]

_nero_:

No- but it is for college students..

[11:41:32]

_nero_:

plus, it would probably afford you time to do a real job, + code in the evenings for an extra few gs..

[11:42:35]

** LLyric shrugs **

[11:42:54]

DrNickRiviera:

the flexibility is the good thing about it

[11:43:01]

Juski:

excuses, excuses

[11:43:03]

** DrNickRiviera doing MythWeb UI redesign :) **

[11:43:23]

_nero_:

DrNickRiviera, congrats! :)

[11:43:29]

DrNickRiviera:

thank you :)

[11:43:48]

** LLyric wonders if this new frontend UI for mythtv works yet **

[11:43:59]

LLyric:

When I checked it out, I got the graphics, but no fonts

[11:44:01]

DrNickRiviera:

feel a little bit guilty when i compare what i'm doing to some of the ambitious stuff other people are tackling though :D

[11:44:16]

_nero_:

DrNickRiviera, thats the one I was considering..

[11:44:28]

Juski:

DrNickRiviera: every ickle helps :-)

[11:44:50]

_nero_:

DrNickRiviera, Feel guilty- then put your all to it, and make a totally kickass Mythweb UI.. :)

[11:45:01]

DrNickRiviera:

yeah, that was my plan

[11:45:06]

Juski:

erm.. it's already kickass IMHO

[11:45:10]

_nero_:

Let that guilt work for us.. ;)

[11:45:12]

LLyric:

mythweb is often the first thing I show people, to get them a bit interested.

[11:45:13]

_nero_:

Juski, yes it is..

[11:45:14]

Juski:

don't go fucking it all up mind!

[11:45:18]

DrNickRiviera:

got a lot ideas for it already

[11:45:19]

Juski:

;-)

[11:45:28]

DrNickRiviera:

lol

[11:45:55]

DrNickRiviera:

was just planning on making it more capable then the normal mythtv frontend

[11:45:57]

_nero_:

Juski, the part I dont like is the fact that with DirecTV (and 400 some channels) the program listing takes forever to load..

[11:46:00]

Juski:

I like the idea for making the setup bits more like recording schedules – kind of wizard based

[11:46:11]

DrNickRiviera:

who needs that old clunky thing when you can have it all in a browser :D

[11:46:15]

LLyric:

The search stuff in mythweb sucks

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LLyric:

Only does pre-canned searches, iirc

[11:46:28]

Juski:

_nero_: yeah I have 200 or so channels & it takes a while. same if you have a few hundred GB of recordings too

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dns_serve1:

it would be good to have a page for sorting out schedule conflicts

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_nero_:

DrNickRiviera, you taking notes? ;)

[11:46:56]

DrNickRiviera:

was just thinking, should probably put up a site with feature requests

[11:47:08]

LLyric:

Use a wiki page

[11:47:09]

_nero_:

heh.. I would recommend against that.. ;)

[11:47:10]

DrNickRiviera:

am sure xris has got quite a lot requests lying around too

[11:47:11]

dns_serve1:

not on the wiki?

[11:47:14]

Juski:

the only complaints I've ever had about myth are minor. If I'd been using MCE & not been able to get my money back – now that's what I'

[11:47:16]

_nero_:

unless oyu want to be deluged.. ;)

[11:47:19]

Juski:

I'd call getting pissed off

[11:48:03]

Juski:

wikis are alright so long as you're on standby with a clue-bat

[11:48:14]

DrNickRiviera:

hehe

[11:48:55]

_nero_:

One way to significantly speed up the program list load-time is real easy- a simple ajax/dynamic loaded div for program info (for the rollovers)

[11:49:02]

DrNickRiviera:

_nero_: the way the program listing works will change completely anyway, because it will be using ajax

[11:49:06]

_nero_:

I was playing with that a week or two ago..

[11:49:15]

DrNickRiviera:

yeah

[11:49:25]

DrNickRiviera:

there's a lot of stuff one can do there

[11:49:32]

_nero_:

yup.. :)

[11:49:46]

DrNickRiviera:

and as a lot of people use it locally anyway ajax should be pretty speedy too

[11:50:03]

LLyric:

Foo :(

[11:50:07]

_nero_:

hell, you could dynamically load the program listing as you scroll down.

[11:50:08]

LLyric:

Keep the old UI

[11:50:13]

** Juski googles jax **

[11:50:18]

Juski:

*ajax

[11:50:20]

DrNickRiviera:

it wont look that different

[11:50:35]

DrNickRiviera:

just be more dynamic and user friendly

[11:50:38]

Juski:

oh god no. tell me it isn't java

[11:50:43]

LLyric:

I want to be able to easily script it, and use without javascript

[11:50:58]

_nero_:

Juski- javascript.

[11:51:04]

DrNickRiviera:

i should probably get back to work, got an exam tomorrow :(

[11:51:05]

Juski:

javascript == evil

[11:51:11]

_nero_:

and all AJAX should fall back easily..

[11:51:11]

DrNickRiviera:

why?

[11:51:21]

DrNickRiviera:

sure, that's a given

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** LLyric has javascript disabled in his browser, and frequently uses links **

[11:51:48]

LLyric:

I guess I'm a caveman

[11:51:53]

Juski:

heh

[11:52:04]

Juski:

a caveman who doesn't like the java engine hogging all his memory

[11:52:24]

DrNickRiviera:

then you'll just have to go without all the amazing new dynamic stuff ;)

[11:52:29]

DrNickRiviera:

well, i'm off for now

[11:52:31]

DrNickRiviera:

cu guys

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_nero_:

Later..

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Juski:

java == great idea, often piss-poor implementation. I'm sure if it's written properly it'll be fine

[11:52:56]

_nero_:

Juski- used right, AJAX can do some pretty amazing stuff..

[11:53:04]

_nero_:

and java != javascript.

[11:53:12]

Juski:

ah

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LLyric:

Juski: javascript != java

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dns_serve1:

would anyone want a java interface?

[11:53:25]

Juski:

and Sun made me redundant, so I have other reasons

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dns_serve1:

<- is a java programmer

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Juski:

:-P

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** LLyric used to be a java programer **

[11:53:44]

LLyric:

Now a websphere conslutant/contractor

[11:54:09]

Darthy:

does prelinking really speed up minimyth that much?

[11:54:16]

Juski:

I often get java/script confuzzled

[11:54:56]

Juski:

java is the real evil one – I remember now. nasty, bad crashy apps is all I've ever seen – with the exception of projectx (so that's one)

[11:54:56]

_nero_:

Juski- javascript is along the lines of php- non compiled code..

[11:55:32]

Juski:

so java is compiled?

[11:55:35]

_nero_:

yup

[11:55:47]

Juski:

another penny dros

[11:55:50]

Juski:

*drops

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_nero_:

Juski, you ever frequent Google Maps?

[11:56:19]

Juski:

nah

[11:56:30]

_nero_:

its a great example of what AJAX can do..

[11:56:36]

Juski:

oh!

[11:56:37]

_nero_:

maps.google.com

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Juski:

:-)

[11:56:55]

Juski:

I'm sold on the idea

[11:57:33]

_nero_:

(my fav part of ajax is that you only load what you need.. the Mythweb UI will be a GREAT example of how it can greatly reduce load times, etc..)

[11:58:16]

Juski:

I think the wikipedia entry for ajax should be written in a form with less gobbledygook

[11:58:18]

dns_serve1:

but it should not make too much of a difference as myth is usually running on the same computer or atleast network

[11:58:54]

_nero_:

dns_serve1, heh.. try loading the program listing with 200+ channels..

[11:59:00]

Juski:

dns_serve1: how many channels / recorded programmes do you have?

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_nero_:

takes a good 20–30 seconds..

[11:59:08]

Juski:

yep

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_nero_:

and if I am logging in remotely to set up a recording- time to go grab lunch.. it'll be ready when I get done eating.

[11:59:52]

dns_serve1:

well it is australia so 2, 7, 9, 10, sbs, sbs news ,abc2 so 8 unique

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Juski:

20 seconds to load up the programme listing page with about 200 or so channels

[12:00:43]

LLyric:

dns_serve1: six if you're analogue

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Juski:

eek!

[12:01:19]

Juski:

do you guys not get cable? what channels would you get on there?

[12:01:31]

Agrajag-:

having 8 channels is more than enough

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_nero_:

so, theoretically, cram 3 PVR500s in a box, and you can record ALL tv at any time in Aus?? ;)

[12:01:39]

Agrajag-:

there's still so much crap

[12:01:43]

dns_serve1:

5, and i can't count 7 with digital (+ the hdtv)

[12:01:46]

LLyric:

Juski: no cable in my area, and satellite is pretty expensive.

[12:01:48]

Agrajag-:

200 channels just sounds stupid

[12:01:50]

Agrajag-:

:P

[12:02:00]

LLyric:

dns_serve1: we get channel 31, local public-access(ish) tv

[12:02:17]

_nero_:

Agrajag-, it is stupid.. unfortunately, it is the only way to get the challens I like (Discovery, History channel, Science Channel, Food Network)

[12:02:22]

Juski:

200 channels makes live tv totally impractical

[12:02:30]

_nero_:

challens==channels.. ugh..

[12:02:32]

dns_serve1:

oh yeah, but unfortunately they are not transmitting that with digital (yet maybe)

[12:02:34]

Agrajag-:

it also makes fat people

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Juski:

lol

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** LLyric only has analogue **

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Juski:

god loves America

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_nero_:

Agrajag-, thats like saying spoons make Rosie O'Donnel fat..

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Agrajag-:

hah

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_nero_:

people's lazy attidue and lack of responsibility make people fat.

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Juski:

SEP

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Juski:

;-)

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_nero_:

just realized.. Beirdo is a married man now.. craziness!! :)

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_nero_:

(craziness in a good way)

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Zider:

woo, finally Birdie

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VlivE:

anyone get frame-buffer with myth?

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dns_serve1:

has anyone written a gnome or kde applet for myth?

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stuarta:

anyone feel like going to the pub for a beer?

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sapbeast:

unless the pub can teleport the beer, unviable option here

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_nero_:

stuarta, its 8:30 here.. bad form to drink beer before 9:15am..

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stuarta:

it's sunny & just after lunch here :)

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Juski_:

exit

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ivor:

stuarta: beeerr!!!!

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ivor:

please.

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** stuarta lobs ivor a beer **

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ivor:

sigh. and the suns peeping out through the clouds too.

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** stuarta had lunch in the pub, and now wants to take up residence for the afternon **

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ivor:

nice

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hhhjr:

Morning, any1 here able to help a nunie with some questions?

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dscoular:

always

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hhhjr:

thanks

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hhhjr:

I am trying to instll myth and have many problems the first I can' get on the web when i am in linux i only have a cell phone and i cannout get DUN through bluetooth working

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dscoular:

Wow!

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hhhjr:

I am on a ship that is y I conect with a cellphone

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dscoular:

Understood

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ivor:

wow

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dscoular:

I've heard bluetooth is tricky under linux.

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** stuarta wonders about tv reception on a ship **

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** dscoular reckons stuarta is on the money **

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hhhjr:

it works

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VlivE:

upon compiling myth with frame-buffer support I get this error, "libmyth-0.19.so: undefined reference to `ScreenSaverX11::ScreenSaverX11()

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dscoular:

hhhjr, so I guess the first step is to get bluetooth working ?

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Agrajag-:

VlivE: use ldd and see what you're missing?

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ivor:

VlivE: is that a fresh build after a make distclean?

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VlivE:

yes

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VlivE:

make clean then a make distclean

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VlivE:

ldd

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VlivE:

ldd: missing file arguments

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Agrajag-:

pass it the location of your libmyth-0.19.so

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ivor:

VlivE: hmm, in that case there's probably some X specific code being linked into your compile that shouldn't be.

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VlivE:

configure --arch=i686 --enable-proc-opt --enable-audio-jack --enable-dvb --dvb-path=/usr/src/v4l/v4l-dvb/linux/include --disable-dbox2 --enable-directfb --disable-x11 --disable-xv

[12:50:03]

ivor:

however... I've never tried a frame-buffer compile, so I've no idea how hard it is.

[12:50:14]

hhhjr:

I have been trying to get either myth or dvr running I have plenty of time but when we are at sea i have no net so I am trying to download as much as I can to try to get it to compile

[12:50:28]

Yellowcake:

Anyone know anything about the can't read ringbuf1.nuv problem?

[12:50:42]

asd26:

i need abc ahh

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Agrajag-:

VlivE: well does ldd tell you if anything's missing?

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VlivE:

well when I do ldd I get ldd libmyth-0.19.so

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VlivE:

ldd: ./libmyth-0.19.so: No such file or directory

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dscoular:

hhhjr, so what problems would you like us to solve first ?

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Agrajag-:

VlivE: pass it the whole path/filename to libmyth-0.19.so, possibly /usr/local/lib/libmyth-0.19.so if you haven't changed your prefix

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dscoular:

asd26, try scaning with the unlimited timeouts

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Yellowcake:

If I change my video store directories is there any other set up I need to do?

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VlivE:

ya I got it

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Yellowcake:

Most people who change the default directories seem to get teh ringbuf1.nuv problem

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VlivE:

here

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VlivE:

http://pastebin.com/736967

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VlivE:

look please

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ivor:

VlivE: if you've done a distclean and used the configure line you specified.. that shouldn't be happening. hmm.

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Chicago:

I need help getting IVTV up again.

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dscoular:

VlivE: erm... you've done a "make install", right ?

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VlivE:

?

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VlivE:

when it don't compile

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Chicago:

I upgraded to the 2.6.16-gentoo-r7 kernel... and cleaned out my existing /usr/src and /lib/modules....

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VlivE:

heres the guide I"m using

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VlivE:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythTV_in_Framebuffer

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ivor:

VlivE: can you:- grep "using_x11" config.mak

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dscoular:

VlivE, Oh... I thought that was a runtime error.

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Chicago:

MAKE doesn't work for me... it doesn't even start to compile... it complains there isn't a build directory in /lib/modules... (why didn't that build directory get created????)

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VlivE:

nothing happened

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stuarta:

Chicago: why would you clean out /lib/modules?

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VlivE:

grep "using_x11" config.mak

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ivor:

hmm. can you pastebin the buildlog please.

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VlivE:

me?

[12:57:52]

ivor:

or at least just the end chunk.

[12:57:52]

ivor:

VlivE: please

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VlivE:

k

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Chicago:

stuarta: cause I had some /lib/modules/linux-2.6.14 lying around... and emerge was picking that old one when it was building svgalib... so I removed all the /lib/module dirs except the one for the current kernel.

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ivor:

hhhjr: so did you print off the myth install guide and take it with you?

[12:58:44]

VlivE:

top first lines

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VlivE:

http://pastebin.com/736977

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ivor:

hmm "ccache"

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ivor:

did you have a build with X at sometime in the past.

[13:00:34]

VlivE:

yes I did

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ivor:

probably worth doing a distclean AND clearing your ccache

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VlivE:

ok will try thanks

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asd26:

any tried modding a power supply?

[13:01:50]

ivor:

VlivE: basically if you have that config.mak without using_x11 then it shouldn't be including the symbol ScreenSaverX11 at all.

[13:02:01]

Zider:

asd26: yes

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Zider:

sort of

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Spida:

does anybody what I need to change in mythtv when updating from ivtv-0.4.* to ivtv-0.6.* ?

[13:02:29]

Spida:

asd26: like what?

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Zider:

and managed to fry one as well ;)

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ivor:

asd26: yeah I changed a 110 supply to 240. or isn't that the question.

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VlivE:

thanks trying it now

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asd26:

i ivor i blew chaing the volt thing at back of power supply

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ivor:

and now in english?

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dscoular:

:)

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stuarta:

that wasn't even in giberish

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asd26:

i blew up a power supply changing it from 240 to 120

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Zider:

clever :P

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** stuarta is fluent in gibberish **

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asd26:

god did the house smell for a few days

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stuarta:

just proves that everything runs on smoke

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armand:

i do all my electronics cooking in the garage for that reason

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armand:

hehe

[13:05:50]

ivor:

http://ivor.it/audrey/

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Zider:

I think I did something similar.. but I'm not sure because the PSU case was off and the switches removed.. ;)

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stuarta:

when the smoke escapes, then things are broken

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Zider:

I did blow a fuse tho

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Zider:

and the psu

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Zider:

:P

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armand:

stuarta: hehe

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ivor:

stuarta: unless it's a dry ice machine.

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Spida:

ivor: thats not smoke.

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ivor:

pedant

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Spida:

*g*

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Zider:

it's fog :P

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asd26:

i need to mod my mythtv box, need to put 80mill fan so calm the noise down

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armand:

if you can fit it, go with 100 or 120

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stuarta:

ivor: they make fog, not smoke :)

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armand:

they're even quieter

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ivor:

la la la la I'm not listening.

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Zider:

or larger heatsinks without fan ;)

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armand:

sometimes you have to use fans hehe

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Zider:

I refuse! ;)

[13:08:28]

Zider:

*ignores his 70c hot laptop*

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Zider:

no fans!!

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armand:

dont build a fileserver with 4 300gig sata2 seagates running in raid5 hehe

[13:08:32]

Zider:

;)

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Spida:

does anybody what I need to change in mythtv when updating from ivtv-0.4.* to ivtv-0.6.* ?

[13:08:33]

asd26:

i mean really it's running at 3000rpm and it's rattling

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Chicago:

I really screwed up my ivtv driver install when I upgraded my kernel.

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Chicago:

I need some help.

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armand:

bummer heh

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dscoular:

Chicago, just remake it from the source would be my advice.

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Spida:

Chicago: details?

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Spida:

Chicago: what did you do, what hapens now?

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armand:

i bet he upgraded to a .16+ kernel hehe

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Spida:

armand: thats pretty clear

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armand:

something about included tuner.ko in there and ivtv one

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dscoular:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Documentation

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Chicago:

Spida: dscoular: after I to a 'tar xvf ivtv-0.6.2.tar'... make fails in that directory with this error. http://pastebin.com/736995

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armand:

i tried to upgrade one of my boxes to 2.6.16, the pvr250's in there are old and the tunertype isnt detected automatically. for some reason, the included kernel.ko was ignoreing my options passed to it to set it manually

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Spida:

Chicago: install the sources/headers for your kernel

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asd26:

http://www.coolpc.com.au/catalog/product_info . . . oducts_id=91 that should cool my cpu..lol

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Chicago:

Spida: I have ran 'emerge gentoo-sources' again... and recompiled the kernel... aren't the sources there?

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Chicago:

Spida: or do you mean emerge linux-headers?

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armand:

chicago: did you turn on v4l and all that nice stuff

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Chicago:

armand: I had v4l as a module... do you think I need to build it in?

[13:15:02]

armand:

no, but there was something you have to turn on in v4l

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armand:

building ivtv should complain about it

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dscoular:

Chicago, weird emerge gentoo-sources should have created the /lib/modules/2.6.16-gentoo-r7/build link to the source.

[13:16:14]

dscoular:

e.g. mine is: ls -ld /lib/modules/2.6.15-gentoo-r5/build

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dscoular:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Feb 19 13:59 /lib/modules/2.6.15-gentoo-r5/build -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.15-gentoo-r5

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Chicago:

dscoular: this time I emerged gentoo-sources with the symlink useflag set... maybe that didn't make the build dir for some reason.

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dscoular:

You could frig it by just creating the build symlink by hand

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VlivE:

according to some info I read on mythtv frame-buffer I would start myth: export QWS_DISPLAY=/dev/fb0 then put this in my startup script: mythfrontend -qws

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VlivE:

look right?

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dscoular:

bloody mythfrontend keeps losing input... grrrr

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Kelerion:

afternoon all

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dscoular:

evening

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stuarta:

quack

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Chicago:

dscoular: now that build is linked... here's my output from make which fails with a new error.

[13:20:14]

Chicago:

http://pastebin.com/737015

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dscoular:

do a "make clean"

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Chicago:

dscoular: after doing the make clean, make still complains that ivtv.ko is undefined (for tveeprom_read and tveeprom_hauppauge_analog"

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asd26:

would it hurt if i change my channel num's?

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Chicago:

dscoular: or is that a make clean in my kernel directory?

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dscoular:

Chicago, I notice that these are warnings... mayb it's okay

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dscoular:

Chicago, do not make clean in the kernel dir

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Juski:

why would you not make clean?

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dscoular:

asd26, no it should be fine... it's the xmltvid association that is important

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Spida:

Chicago: did you check your /usr/src/linux-link?

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dscoular:

Juski, well he's just talking about compiling ivtv.

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dscoular:

Chicago, sounds like others are having your problem: //www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org/msg02395.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@ivtvdr . . . sg02395.html

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dscoular:

night, night all

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Chicago:

nighty night

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dscoular:

Chicago, before I go: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Troublesh . . . ith_ivtv-0.5

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Chicago:

dscoular: yeah, I saw that too...

[13:30:53]

Chicago:

dsvoular: but i'm not getting an "error message" I'm getting a warning.

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dscoular:

I noticed that... but I think you really need to do the cd ivtv/v4l-kernel; make distclean

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VlivE:

Juski> same exact error--> libmyth-0.19.so: undefined reference to `ScreenSaverX11::ScreenSaverX11()

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** dscoular switches on night light, quaffs large brandy, and listens to story **

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** stuarta laughs at dscoular's attempts to tuck himself in... **

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dscoular:

:)

[13:33:36]

Chicago:

Where's this ivtv/v4l-kernel directory exactly?

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Juski:

VlivE: wtf? why me?!

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stuarta:

likely suspect?

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VlivE:

well why is trying to build x when x is disabled in ./configure

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VlivE:

configure --arch=i686 --enable-proc-opt --enable-audio-jack --enable-dvb --dvb-path=/usr/src/v4l/v4l-dvb/linux/include --disable-dbox2 --enable-directfb --disable-x11 --disable-xv

[13:35:04]

stuarta:

VlivE: possibly because nobody has tried to build a framebuffer only myth for ages?

[13:35:16]

VlivE:

so noone uses a matrox-g550

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VlivE:

video card

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VlivE:

because livetv will not work with xv

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VlivE:

anybodys knows that

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VlivE:

So I should just chuck this $200 video card in the trash?

[13:37:10]

VlivE:

cause myth-developers decided not to support dfb

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stuarta:

could always run it under X?

[13:37:22]

VlivE:

no you cannot

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Juski:

can I throw the dummy out of my pram too?

[13:37:43]

VlivE:

livetv will not work with xv on that video card xv is not supported

[13:37:57]

VlivE:

what are my options?

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puthre:

VlivE: just throw it into my trash. Wanna give my address? :)

[13:38:23]

asd26:

how does mythtv get rid of commerials

[13:38:25]

VlivE:

nope vdr runs it like 1,2,4

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** stuarta attempts a framebuffer only build **

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hashbang:

VlivE: on the upside, a $60 card will be quite sufficient, for SD at least.

[13:39:07]

VlivE:

well if vdr has and supports dft why don't myth?

[13:39:12]

VlivE:

dfb

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VlivE:

typo

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hashbang:

VlivE: presumably because X works best for all the mythtv devs who care

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hashbang:

VlivE: you could always port vdr's code to mythtv yourself

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VlivE:

sure if I knew how to?

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hashbang:

VlivE: perhaps one of the mythtv devs would be prepared to do it for your for $$$

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VlivE:

but thats beside the point it was supported with up to 15

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hashbang:

VlivE: diff 0.15 to 0.19 then, and see if you can get some ideas about what's been regressed

[13:41:36]

stuarta:

it's probably just a missing #ifdef around the xscreensaver code

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asd26:

3.GB for 1 hour recording is that right?

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stuarta:

VlivE: I'm attempting to build it now...

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VlivE:

cool

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VlivE:

let me know

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stuarta:

have a tea break....

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VlivE:

you have to install qt-embedded-free-3.3.5

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VlivE:

first don'tyou?

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mattk4k:

Is there anyone here who can spare me 15 mins or so to help me get MythTV to recognise my TV tuner card?

[13:43:13]

stuarta:

dunno, but that's not going to happen

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mattk4k:

I think it's probably something fairly simple, since it works fine in kdetv, it's just MythTV that doesn't like it

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VlivE:

and enable this in qt config: configure -qt-gfx-matrox -depths 8 -prefix /usr/local/qt-3.3.5 -thread -qt-sql-mysql -platform qws/linux-x86-g++ -I/usr/include/mysql

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hashbang:

asd26: depends on the source. I'm getting ~1.2GB/hr for DVB-T

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VlivE:

and copy the fonts to /usr/local/qt-3.3.5/lib/fonts/

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stuarta:

VlivE: I'm going to build it against my stock code first....

[13:44:38]

VlivE:

k

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sphery:

stuarta: Do you happen to know if Myth is meaning to require DVB 3.x support for all installations?

[13:45:16]

sphery:

I'm trying to compile SVN head and am getting the same error as http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/205455#205455

[13:45:20]

asd26:

hey does mythtv record to mpeg4?

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sphery:

asd26: if you have a software encoder, you can choose to encode MPEG-4 into an NUV container

[13:46:28]

sphery:

If you use a hardware encoder, such as Hauppauge PVR-x50's, you get MPEG-2. Some hardware encoders (Plextor something or other) give you MPEG-4.

[13:46:47]

mattk4k:

Anyone? I've googled the error I get and it gives 3 results, none of which offer a solution

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asd26:

i have no idea what mines does its DTV card

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stuarta:

sphery: do you compile with --disable-dvb?

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sphery:

I normally don't.

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sphery:

After the error, I tried with.

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sphery:

Clean directory — basically make distclean'ed

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sphery:

It was the merge of the mythtv-eit stuff that started it.

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stuarta:

it's sounds like another missed #ifdef

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asd26:

recording profile?

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sphery:

I didn't know if it's just a missing #ifdef (but wasn't sure what to #ifdef)...

[13:48:47]

sphery:

Going to the same place there...

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asd26:

transcoder autodetect?

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cythrault:

does someone know why, in dtv_multiplex, all the fec resets to 7/8 when i run an existing transport scan in mythtv-setup?

[13:50:18]

stuarta:

cythrault: what version?

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Spida:

is anybody here running mythtv with ivtv-0.6?

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mattk4k:

Can anyone help?

[13:51:35]

Spida:

there was a change with the tuner numbering from 0.4 to 0.6, does anybody know what that was?

[13:51:36]

mattk4k:

It's Hauppauge WinTV card (I believe it is a WinTV-GO)

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sphery:

mattk4k: what's your error ( http://pastebin.com/ , please)

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cythrault:

stuarta; r10012

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cythrault:

I can't find the changeset for the update to the scanner that daniel did

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stuarta:

then that is what you NIT is providing as the details of the transports.

[13:52:29]

cythrault:

but it may be related.

[13:52:41]

cythrault:

indeed?

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cythrault:

weird

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VlivE:

stuarta ?

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** stuarta just rewrote the scanner code. **

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mattk4k:

The error is simply "Failed to open card"

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ivor:

VlivE: can you go into your libs/libmyth directory...

[13:53:14]

cythrault:

stuarta; Yes, I noticed in the commit list :)

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sphery:

mattk4k: You sure you have the right device and that it has the right permissions?

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VlivE:

ya

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cythrault:

stuarta; then the nit does not have the correct info :)

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mattk4k:

I get it when I click the Channel Scanner button in the Channel Editor section of mythtv-setup

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stuarta:

cythrault: to confirm, run 'dvbsnoop -n 1 -nph 0x10' after tzap'ing to a channel and put the result in a pastebix

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ivor:

check the Makefile. see if it pulls in screensaver-x11 or util-x11

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mattk4k:

sphery: I have no idea about the permissions, but I think the device is correct. I'm pretty new to Linux

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cythrault:

stuarta; because for tsid 13 for example, the correct fec is 5/6

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cythrault:

stuarta; will do!

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stuarta:

the NIT will tell all...

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mattk4k:

I've posted on MythTVTalk.com: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=11634

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asd26:

begin transcoding ??

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asd26:

what does that mean?

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sphery:

mattk4k: Try running (as root)

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sphery:

chmod 666 /dev/video0

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ivor:

VlivE: also> grep "ScreenSaverX11" screensaver.o

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sphery:

asd26: You can transcode your videos (i.e. captured in MPEG-2 by PVR-x50, so you transcode to MPEG-4). After setting up the transcoding profiles (and specifying the correct one--if you don't want the default), you start a transcode with "Begin transcoding"

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mattk4k:

ok, I'll give that ago

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VlivE:

and?

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sphery:

Also, you can create a cutlist after which transcoding will remove the cut parts from the stream

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asd26:

sandos_ kinda like auto convert from mpg2 to mp4?

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VlivE:

theres no Makefile in /libs/libmyth

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VlivE:

until it compiles to that point

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sphery:

asd26: if you set up auto transcoding, it will be

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asd26:

sphery saving space hack in a way?

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sphery:

exactly

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asd26:

if recording is finished transcode

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mattk4k:

sphery: Nope, tried as root and still gives the same error

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VlivE:

theres a screensaver-x11.cpp and screensaver-x11.h

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asd26:

sphery not wise for live recording it will eat the cpu for breakfest

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VlivE:

no ScreenSaverX11

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asd26:

i hit the transcode thing, lol doesn't give me 0--100..lol

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VlivE:

stuarta? you get frame-buffer to compile?

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stuarta:

nope

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sphery:

asd26: you can specify how much CPU should be used by transcoding, but with software encoders, it's probably not a good thing. Hardware encoders don't need much CPU, so it works great on them.

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ivor:

VlivE: there has to be a makefile. you are in the myth source directory under libs/libmyth ?

[14:02:23]

VlivE:

yes

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sphery:

mattk4k: Have you tried configuring /dev/video1, yet?

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VlivE:

and theres not one

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mattk4k:

sphery: /dev/video1 doesn't exist

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asd26:

i don't think transcoding is working

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VlivE:

sorry mybad

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sphery:

Hmmm. Your lspci seems to indicate two WinTV cards

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sphery:

asd26: why not?

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ivor:

:)

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sphery:

It transcodes in the background and replaces the file when complete

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asd26:

it doesn't say anything

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mattk4k:

sphery: Certainly in Windows it always comes up as two devices – I believe one is the audio and one is video or something like that.

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stuarta:

the makefile correctly ifdefs with using_x11

[14:04:10]

sphery:

mattk4k: you're right.

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sphery:

Sorry--too tired...

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asd26:

is editing on mythtv states : no

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VlivE:

so what should I do?

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mattk4k:

sphery: lol, don't worry about it. As I say, I'm new to Linux. If I know I can get the card working, I'm going to order some new hardware (2x 300GB HDDs) and get a decent setup going.

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mattk4k:

I'm also going to get two Hauppauge Nova-T PCI cards, but I want to get this card working first

[14:06:41]

mattk4k:

Cos I can't get digital at the moment, though I'm moving to a new house at the start of July where I will be able to get Freeview :)

[14:07:08]

ivor:

VlivE: if you are in the libs/libmyth directory in your built source tree and there's no Makefile then you have something seriously wrong.

[14:07:22]

VlivE:

no there is a Makefile

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VlivE:

sorry my bad

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VlivE:

:(

[14:07:38]

ivor:

ok... so back up.... :)

[14:07:50]

ivor:

is there a reference to screensaver-x11 in it

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VlivE:

screensaver.h

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ivor:

VlivE: also> grep "ScreenSaverX11" screensaver.o

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sphery:

mattk4k: You've got all the appropriate modules for your BTTV card loaded?

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VlivE:

screensaver-osx.h

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mattk4k:

sphery: I have no idea! How do I check? I would have thought if it works fine in kdetv, it'd work in MythTV as well?

[14:08:47]

asd26:

i looked at my status and it stated transcode has an error

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ivor:

VlivE: no, just type grep "ScreenSaverX11" screensaver.o

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ivor:

in that directory

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sphery:

mattk4k: Yeah. I guess that means they're loaded.

[14:09:38]

sphery:

Don't think I can help you, then.

[14:09:39]

VlivE:

Binary file screensaver.o matches

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sphery:

I don't know the BTTV cards.

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ivor:

aha! there's your problem.

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mattk4k:

sphery: Actually, something that might be useful – how do I enable a proxy server for xmltv?

[14:10:08]

sphery:

don't know that either.

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stuarta:

ivor: it's correct in the libmyth.pro

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sphery:

I haven't done xmltv in a long time (DataDirect for me)

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VlivE:

?

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ivor:

VlivE: don't know why that's happening, but can you edit screensaver.cpp and #if 0 out the block that contains ScreenSaverX11()

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VlivE:

ok

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mattk4k:

Hmmm, oh well. I've gotta go now, but I'll have another bash later. Cheers for your help.

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VlivE:

screensave.cpp here

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VlivE:

http://pastebin.com/737095

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VlivE:

which lines to comment?

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asd26:

any place to check my logs on transcoding?

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stuarta:

ivor, VlivE: ahah! Q_WS_X11 is defined in qglobal.h

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stuarta:

so if you haven't build qt properly, it'll still want x

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VlivE:

hum

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sphery:

asd26: you can run your backend with the option "-v all" (no quotes) and re-run the transcode to get more detailed errors

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stuarta:

VlivE: looks like you are using a Qt built for X11. Fix that, fix the problem

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VlivE:

well I removed all the pre-installed debian libqt* and qt* .deb's

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VlivE:

and now compiling qt3-embedded

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VlivE:

see if that works

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ivor:

stuarta: rockin'

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ivor:

distracted working here! :)

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stuarta:

ivor: busily trying to setup 7 firewalls & rewrite some funky utilites

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sphery:

stuarta: Looks like it was a missing "#ifdef USING_DVB" around the "dvbchannel.h" include in tv_rec.cpp . My compile is waaaaay beyond where it failed before (but not yet done).

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stuarta:

sphery: once it builds submit a ticket to trac with the patch attached

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sphery:

will do

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sphery:

thx for your help

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stuarta:

np

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sphery:

wasn't sure if it was a new mandatory requiremend

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sphery:

(but glad it's not--I'd rather rebuild kernel stuff with my new install)

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stuarta:

it's not.... :)

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hhhjr:

Does any1 know where I could download a myth package along with all the dependicies?

[15:07:01]

qu0zl:

for what platform?

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hhhjr:

debian

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hhhjr:

sarge

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qu0zl:

http://www.luci.org/luci-discuss/200409/msg00006.html, thats the first google resource that looked promising to me

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qu0zl:

i did it myself ages ago. i think it was with those marillat packages too

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hhhjr:

ok thA

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qu0zl:

tho marillat has renamed to debian-multimedia.org i think

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hhhjr:

OK thanks

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qu0zl:

add "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main" to your apt list

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qu0zl:

then apt-get update && apt-cache search mythtv

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hhhjr:

well thats the problem the box I am trying to get this installed on has no internet connection

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qu0zl:

download the debs from that site manually and bring them home on cd

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qu0zl:

i'll try and get the dependancies for you now if i can remember the cmd

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hhhjr:

thankyou

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qu0zl:

download everything with mythtv in the name anyway for a start ;)

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hhhjr:

That is what I have been trying to do but I cannot get back on the net for a couple of weeks so I am trying to find everything I could possibly need

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Kelerion:

apt-get build-dep mythtv should show deps

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hhhjr:

but it never works lol

[15:15:17]

Juski:

rollocks. of course it works

[15:15:19]

Kelerion:

does on my ubuntu

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qu0zl:

apt-cache depends mythtv, and apt-cache depends all those that throws up as well

[15:15:31]

qu0zl:

you're very likely to forget one though ;)

[15:15:31]

Kelerion:

only thing it misses it the qt3-mysql libs

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Juski:

lol

[15:15:56]

Juski:

only.

[15:16:02]

Juski:

not anything major ;-)

[15:16:08]

Kelerion:

nah.. lol

[15:16:35]

** Juski wonders if his new toy has arrived today **

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Kelerion:

but it's bloody obvious whats missing when nothing can connect to the db

[15:17:12]

Juski:

Kelerion: yeah in a "help my myth not worky" kinda way ;-)

[15:17:19]

Kelerion:

listen much.. I don't wanna know about you and your sex-life... toys or not!

[15:17:39]

Juski:

google for zenega s100

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qu0zl:

download all the packages in that pm hhhjr

[15:18:21]

qu0zl:

yeah it doesn't list the qt3-mysql lib. must have been forgotten to add that to the .deb dependancy list

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qu0zl:

hhhjr, some of those packages may want to update other packages already on your system to a later version as well

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Kelerion:

Juski: I would but all the links are in german!

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hhhjr:

ok thanks

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Juski:

Kelerion: ja vol

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Kelerion:

ok.. I see the specs... nice box it's in too

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Juski:

nice, if I've not been ripped orf

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Kelerion:

that made by Bose?

[15:21:28]

Juski:

'selected' by Bose

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Kelerion:

ah

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Kelerion:

time to reboot.. killing my machine here... brb

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Juski:

exit "hometime"

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Delemas:

Anyone know how to get a mythtv recorded mpg (from a PVR350 card) into a format which DVD author actually likes? Directly it doesn't work, dvdauthor skips through all the sectors looking for a VOBU.

[15:46:46]

beyonddeath:

NuvExport

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Delemas:

This is supposed to work but mplex doesn't recognize the video (although mplayer plays it fine...)

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Delemas:

mpeg2desc -a 0 -o audio -v 0 -o video < 1040_20060430170000.mpg ; mplex -f 8 -o dvd.mpg audio video

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Delemas:

hmm

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Delemas:

I thought that was only required for non-mpg nuv files. Takes a closer look...

[15:48:09]

beyonddeath:

I dont know about your actual program, but it works for me

[15:51:26]

Anduril:

First I installed MythTV and the plugins from unstable although my system is Etch. I have now configured apt-get to prefer testing but even allow forcing versions from stable/unstable. It now recommends me to "update" my unstable MythTV with stable. When I try to do that it says "Depends: libqt3c102-mt but it is not going to be installed" Anyone recognizing this problem?

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moemoe:

Anduril: how did you configure apt to prefer testing?

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stuarta:

why would you want stable when you are running etch?

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qu0zl:

moemoe, you can do "apt-get -t testing install blah"

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moemoe:

qu0zl: I know :)

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Anduril:

moemoe: With adding "APT::Default-Release "testing";" to /etc/apt/apt.conf

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moemoe:

Anduril: and now, you apt wants to downgrade mythtv?

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Anduril:

stuarta: It's recommended by apt-get...

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Anduril:

moemoe: Yes

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moemoe:

hmmm...I always use pinning and set unstable to a priority of 20, that works fine

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stuarta:

Anduril: never heard of that idea before. it's always stable, moving to testing or unstable, not the other way around

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qu0zl:

if you remove all the unstable packages then try to install the testing version it may work

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Anduril:

stuarta: Yes, I think it is strange too

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qu0zl:

i've seen it refuse to downgrade from unstable to testing but work after a apt-get remove of all then a apt-get install

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stuarta:

either that or you have the stable mythtv deb lines

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qu0zl:

not mythtv mind, other packages

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Anduril:

Maybe I should wait for a new version in unstable or testing to see if things are sorted out

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** Delemas sighs.... There has to be an easier way to get a couple VOBU sectors... **

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stuarta:

wishful thinking.

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Vme-:

i didnt happend to miss a reply to my question before i go disconnected? :)

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stuarta:

Vme-: you haven't asked your question here yet.

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Vme-:

ok, basically i'm a bit worried about my diseqc switch

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Vme-:

i have a panstat v2.0

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Vme-:

and i'm trying to figure out what is the right selection in mythtv-setup

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Vme-:

i've scanned with a few different settings and I always get something

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Vme-:

but when i load mythtv, i never get anything?

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Vme-:

I just pulled myth from SVN, so i believe i'm running 10010, with a nexus-s card?

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Juski:

bugger. irrecord lets me record one line of dots.. then says 'ok gap found.. blah'.. then won't go on to record another line

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laga:

re

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Juski:

wb laga

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Juski:

damn pesky lirc crap

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laga:

hi Juski

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laga:

looks like i'll be ordering that thong :)

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Juski:

no word on my s100 box yet :-/

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Juski:

lol

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laga:

yeah, the s100. gotta check my mail. but it'll take till friday or so till my money arrives there. stupid bank.

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Juski:

money is already gone out of my account

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Juski:

I've not received feedback for paying so fast either

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laga:

heh

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Juski:

smells fishy

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laga:

you should be OK, don't worry too much. if you contacted the seller via email, try to use the ebay form

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Delemas:

ah good! It looks like it may be as simple as doing: replex -t DVD 1040_20060430170000.mpg > 1040_20060430170000_dvd.mpg

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laga:

today is towel day. http://www.towelday.kojv.net/index.html

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Juski:

"don't forget to bring a towel. You wanna get high?"

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Merlin83b:

Are you a hoopy frood, laga?

[16:48:04]

Zider:

*waves his towel with Zider written on it*

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laga:

Merlin83b: err, well. i forgot about it, though. but i didn't really leave the house today

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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** Juski hits lirc 0.8.0 very hard with a very heavy hammer **

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laga:

though i was wearing one around my hips and one around my head after taking a shower today.

[16:49:53]

Juski:

why the fuck they have to keep on breaking code is beyond me

[16:50:14]

Delemas:

hmm or not...

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Vme-:

If i want to use a nexus-s Card is pulling from SVN a good idea? I've been reading things in the forums that say SVN is not a good idea for nexus-s users? But really I have no idea what/who to believe :)

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Juski:

Vme-: depends which forums say so I guess

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Vme-:

dvbn

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Vme-:

but they are all referring to older builds i think, i.e.9969

[16:55:14]

Vme-:

i'm pretty sure the latest version on SVN is 10010?

[16:55:16]

Juski:

nope, lirc's irrecord is just not working on this machine. dammit!

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Scopeuk_:

Juski i have a solution but it invoves some petroleum jelly and a super soaker

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Vme-:

basically it just seems like MythTV is constantly changing and that some features work on some versions and not on others?

[16:58:43]

Vme-:

and for different hardware?

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_nero_:

Vme-, that is for SVN.. svn is active development.. stuff breaks as it is developed.

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gutano:

svn is not a version... it is a mishmash

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qu0zl:

Vme-, I don't know the state of nexus-s support, but i'd give .19-fixes a go first

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Vme-:

ah

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_nero_:

you shoulda seen when isaac changed the live TV buffering a few months back.. oh the outrage from people who don't understand what SVN is..

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Vme-:

so can I get .19-fixes on mythtv.org?

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qu0zl:

it's a svn label Vme-

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Vme-:

ok, i think that is the version i have then

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gutano:

Vme-: you can get all versions from svn, but the mythtv label is the active developement

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qu0zl:

if you didn't specify .19-fixes you'll have head vme-

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qu0zl:

which i doubt you want

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qu0zl:

anyway gotta head

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Vme-:

release-0-19-fixes/mythtv

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gutano:

=D

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Juski:

not replicating? surely the solution would be to tell it to go forth & multiply ;-)

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Juski:

yay I got irrecord to work. stupid panasonic remote

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Juski:

/ stupid user

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_nero_:

ugh.. I really got to get a new video card for this machine.. nvidia legacy drivers are a pain to get going for 2.16 kernels..

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Juski:

yeh nvidia aren't fastest off the blocks with newer kernels

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_nero_:

especially not for the ancient (GF2 Ultra) cards..

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xris:

Juski: the problem is that SOME stuff replicates, but other stuff doesn't.

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Juski:

xris: hmmm.

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Juski:

this lirc daemon is proving to be a pain to get running

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Juski:

works fine if I run it from a shell, but not from its init script

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Juski:

I think I've missed the ubuntu equivalent of rc-update

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laga:

wow. now that they have cracked premiere (german paytv), prices for the dbox2 have gone up. 120¤ for a cable box running neutrino :)

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Juski:

this is weird. if I try sudo /etc/init.d/lirc fdhjfdhjk it doesn't report anything back :-/

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Wonko:

I'm using Debian and I need to do some screendumps of the frontend. How should I do?

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Juski:

press the PrntScrn key?

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Jazon:

hi there. are there deb packages to install mythtv (I have 2.6.16.16-kanotix-1 )

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Wonko:

Juski: And then what?

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Juski:

Wonko: I think it might depend on your wm

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Wonko:

Juski: I use xfce4

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Juski:

so. I've got this init script.. and it ain't running. it's set to executable but it just doesn't work

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laga:

Juski: bash -x /etc/init.d/yourinitscript.

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laga:

for debugging :)

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Juski:

thanks laga

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Juski:

weirder still. init script is looking for /usr/sbin/lircd

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sapbeast:

man i think my brain is ready to explode over this mencoder

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Juski:

yehehehehessss

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Juski:

stoopid user ended up with lircd in /usr/local/sbin not /usr/sbin :-/

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Juski:

irw now works (yay!)

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laga:

heh

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sapbeast:

hooray?

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Juski:

Wonko: see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-88393.html

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Jazon:

how do i start x as mythtv user??? it asks for a password, but there is none

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C4T3l:

Jazon: which environment are you using?

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stephelton:

can i get a recommendation for a video input card that works well with the 2.6 kernel?

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gutano:

stephelton: I have heard alot of people rave about the wintv-pvr line, I ordered one myself recently to replace an old card

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beyonddeath:

I have a pvr 150 and its amazing, much better than my wintv-pci card

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laga:

i've got 2 pvr 250s. they work just fine on my 2.6.x machine. pvr 150 works well, too, from what i've heard.

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stephelton:

gutano, i'll check that out, i appreciate it

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stephelton:

anyone use any remote control devices?

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beyonddeath:

I use the remote from my pvr150 and its ok, the receiver's cord is too short tho

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stephelton:

beyonddeath, i see. i didn't realize it comes with one. thanks!

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stephelton:

beyonddeath, the cord looks pretty damn long with this one =P

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C4T3l:

is there such a thing as a straight digital capture card?

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GreyFoxx:

C4T3l: A DVB card

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C4T3l:

do those work in the US

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GreyFoxx:

Varies from provider to provider

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GreyFoxx:

and some encrypt the data so even if you coudl read it, it wont help you much

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C4T3l:

damn

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C4T3l:

i got a friend who hasn't wanted to try mythtv cuz of the digital -> analog -> digital encoding happenings

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C4T3l:

he uses a satellite provider

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** _nero_ may be opening pandora's box, but he has created a good mythsvn dl/config/make script.. **

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yoyomah:

anybody ever buld a mythbox with multiple tuners?

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Juski:

nobody ever has or is likely to

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yoyomah:

ha

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Juski:

course they have, and it's dead easy

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yoyomah:

I'm just wondering how one would handle audio from the cards with a machine with more than 2 cards

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_nero_:

Juski has 17 in one of his myth boxes..

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yoyomah:

...

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Juski:

depends what tuner cards you pick

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yoyomah:

oh yeah?

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roe:

I am finding it difficult to easily make copies of home movies on DVD from DVD with myth .19 am I missing something or is that feature not included?

[19:56:48]

Juski:

if you get the lamer software encoding cards you usually need a soundcard per TV tuner

[19:57:02]

yoyomah:

well I'm looking at getting one pvr-350

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yoyomah:

and then pvr-150s

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yoyomah:

since I only need the decoder on the output one

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Juski:

yoyomah: audio won't be a problem there

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yoyomah:

I'd assume I'd need a sound card for each pvr-150 right?

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yoyomah:

oh yeah?

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yoyomah:

audio and video are encoded on the card?

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Juski:

yup

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yoyomah:

goody goody

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yoyomah:

Was worried becasue I had everything else all planned out

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yoyomah:

and then I'm all....

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yoyomah:

crap!

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Juski:

if you have a decent CPU I'd advise against the pvr350

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yoyomah:

I'd be mainly getting it for the outputs it comes with

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Juski:

most modern vga cards have very good quality tv outputs these days

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yoyomah:

the componet and svideo plus the rca audio

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Juski:

composite, _not_ component

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yoyomah:

oh

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yoyomah:

my bad

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yoyomah:

well then

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Juski:

you want component go for a VGA card ;-)

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yoyomah:

well if I wer gonna rely on the video card for output

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yoyomah:

would I need a fairly decent one? or would that not really matter?

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yoyomah:

oh well actually I guess it wouldn't

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yoyomah:

anyway one other thing

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yoyomah:

anybody know of any motherboards with more than 5 pci slots?

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Juski:

fx5200 or most other gf4 cards are fine for SDTV

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Juski:

evening stuarta

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stuarta:

evening Juski, was a fine evening for visiting the pub, so I did :-)

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roe:

anyone have any advise about copying home DVD movies?

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Juski:

stuarta: heh. none of that for me. umbongo tweaking

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yoyomah:

is it difficult to configure s-video out put on an nvidia card?

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Juski:

yoyomah: not at all

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Juski:

I'm about to do that tonight actually

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yoyomah:

ty

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stuarta:

the next thing I need to do is a rebuild to deb-amd64

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yoyomah:

thanks guys

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Juski:

just jossling with umbongo's update manager. i.e. turning the fecker off

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stuarta:

tonight, I'm just going to watch some recordings and get pissed :-)

[20:09:40]

Juski:

I just watched the end of '24'

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Juski:

wifey very upset

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Juski:

:-)

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stuarta:

she no likey ending?

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Juski:

nope

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stuarta:

:(

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Juski:

all will be well by series 6

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stuarta:

didn't they just show s2?

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Juski:

series 3 was on $ky Three a while ago

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Juski:

arghhh! I read the help stuff for this thing and I can't see the menus it speaks of

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stuarta:

ahh, gave up half way through s1 :)

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Juski:

they sort of made series 1 up as they went along. got much better after that series

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stuarta:

also had to do with changing countries during the showing of it, so missed random parts and it didn't make much sense after that

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Juski:

kayyy.. now I disabled that badger

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** _nero_ and wife will be watching the season finale of Lost tonight.. **

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Juski:

could be time to back up & spin some SVN

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_nero_:

Juski- you want to try my svn script? :)

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_nero_:

that I am working on? ;)

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Juski:

I caught about 20 mins of Lost the other week. OMFG what a pile of toss! (IMHO)

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Juski:

_nero_ I need to do a HDD transplant before that

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** stuarta agrees with Juski **

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** _nero_ and wife enjoy it.. but usually are 3/4 of the way through a bottle of wine by the time it rolls.. **

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Juski:

they should've made Lost in a forest.. that way you wouldn't know the wooden from the trees :-P

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_nero_:

:p

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stuarta:

that explains why _nero_ and wifey love it :)

[20:15:47]

_nero_:

If you haven't watched it from the beginning, none of it will make any sense..

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Juski:

I thought "hmmm, big brother, but on an island, with more bickering"

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_nero_:

Juski, except it isnt a reality show.. ;)

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Juski:

I guess it's the 'twin peaks' for this generation

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_nero_:

stuarta, never said we "love" it.. just enjoy it.. with wine.. ;)

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stuarta:

:)

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Juski:

lol _nero_ I enjoyed 'love actually'... or was it just the 2nd bottle of Merlot ?

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_nero_:

Sopranos this year is TERRIBLE..

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stuarta:

Juski: that was actually half decent

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_nero_:

hehehe.. probably the 2nd bottle..

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_nero_:

amazing how much better TV/movies get when you are a couple sheets to the wind..

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Juski:

didn't work for Spiderman 1 or 2 though (not for me anyway)

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Juski:

and after seeing MI-III last night I suggest Tom Cruise makes a film about a Trappist Monk... get a fucking running scene into _that_ you short-arsed ****

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Juski:

</bile>

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gardengnome:

heh

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stuarta:

it's the gnome!!!!

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** stuarta waves the trout at the gnome! **

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** gardengnome wonder is half of this channel would attend AA meetings without mythtv... **

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** gardengnome waves back with his redish hat **

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stuarta:

this channel is AA

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gardengnome:

stuarta: not really, AA doesn't have /whois

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_nero_:

and you typically arent sipping a beer while at AA..

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Juski:

good evening o gnomey one :)

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Juski:

is there a Linux Anonymous yet?

[20:24:46]

Juski:

there'd be a Windows Anonymous if everybody wasn't in denial

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cythrault:

my wife thinks that I'd need MA

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gardengnome:

MA? mastu...?

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cythrault:

nah

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cythrault:

c'mon

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cythrault:

mythtv anon..

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_nero_:

cythrault, you are in the right.. its not your fault she is going through withdrawl..

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_nero_:

:p

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Juski:

help! I've enabled TV out & I can't see the whole desktop on my TV!

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_nero_:

lol

[20:27:05]

Juski:

seriously ;-)

[20:27:13]

Juski:

oh wait I have vnc

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_nero_:

Dont make me pull out the "why overscan is good for you" cluebat Juski.. ;)

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cythrault:

nero; about withdrawl, when my myth box is down, it's fun to see her bitch about it as much as she used to bitch on that myth box itself

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gardengnome:

yeah. i learned to like overscan. after i spend lots of cash and time getting myself a tv-out that'll let me adjust overscan *sigh!*

[20:28:04]

_nero_:

cythrault, you and me both.. I got the WAF way way up on my mythbox.. and now, heaven forbid it goes down..

[20:28:35]

cythrault:

nero; same here :)

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cythrault:

thanks to all the devs working on myth :)

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_nero_:

That first year though.. when things werent so good.. oh man.. was she hating me.. ;)

[20:28:53]

roe:

I don't mean to be a bother, but having trouble finding my answer...

[20:29:05]

roe:

how can I duplicate home DVDs?

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cythrault:

nero; the worse usualy comes when the show is recorded but has error (ie. unwatchable)

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_nero_:

haven't run into that one yet..

[20:30:09]

_nero_:

Jarod wilson was a genious when he posted the "power button restarts myth" script on his site..

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cythrault:

stuarta; i have that output for you... http://pastebin.ca/58885 (fec reseting to 7/8 in mythtv-setup)

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_nero_:

roe- cant you just copy the files to your drive, make an iso and reburn?

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Juski:

evening WillCooke

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cythrault:

stuarta; oups, user http://pastebin.ca/58886 instead

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cythrault:

-r

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stuarta:

cythrault: that the PAT, not much use, will check your other link now...

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roe:

_nero_, *I* can, but I am setting up a myth box for my parents...

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cythrault:

indeed

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cythrault:

stuarta; sorry let me run it again. :)

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stuarta:

cythrault: nope, need dvbsnoop -n 1 -nph 0x10

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_nero_:

roe- ok.. then use the dvd transcoding, to get the video in mythvideo, and use mythburn (I think that exists with 0.19) to burn it..

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roe:

by dvd transcoding you mean the "import dvd" option?

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_nero_:

yup

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roe:

I have tried that and it imports it as an .iso

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roe:

and then in mythburn, that ISO isn't listed as an option

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_nero_:

humm..

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cythrault:

stuarta; got it now: http://pastebin.ca/58888

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_nero_:

not sure.. didn't realize mythdvd imports as an ISO.. didnt long long ago when I last tried..

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_nero_:

(way back in 0.16 or something)..

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titan:

okay, I might actually be able to get this thing working....

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titan:

only problem is, I get this:

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titan:

root@calebs:/etc/rc5.d# ./*mythtv-backend start

[20:36:00]

titan:

Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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Jazon:

so, I have myth running (kinda)

[20:36:07]

titan:

any help?

[20:36:30]

gardengnome:

titan: ignore it, it's harmless

[20:36:38]

Jazon:

titan: i had similar probs – try setting itto root with no password

[20:36:51]

titan:

setting it to root with no password....

[20:36:55]

titan:

setting what to root with no password?

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Jazon:

gardengnome: how can i make my remote work with myth? lirc is up and running – no problems there

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_nero_:

nothing with the word root in it should be set with no password..

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titan:

gardengnome, it's not harmless, because I get told that the backend is not running.

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Jazon:

mysql

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titan:

oh, okay. so like in mythtv-setup?

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gardengnome:

Jazon: you'll need to compile mythtv with lirc support (check with mythfrontend --version or ldd `which mythfrontend`). you'll also need an ~/.mythtv/lircrc file.

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gardengnome:

titan: this message is harmless.

[20:38:12]

gardengnome:

titan: it's not connected to your issue with mythbackend not running

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stuarta:

cythrault: your NIT describes your FEC as 7/8....

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Jazon:

gardengnome: i used apt-get actually

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Jazon:

gardengnome: do i just need the file or how can i tell

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stuarta:

cythrault: btw. do these channel work with the new FEC?

[20:39:45]

cythrault:

stuarta; indeed but what's weird about it... some of these ts need 5/6 (as lyngsat lists them)

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gardengnome:

Jazon: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc8.5 &nda sh; you'll likely skip most of these steps. and i assume you have native lirc support...

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stuarta:

netid = 13 is one of them?

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Jazon:

gardengnome: http://rafb.net/paste/results/AGk9YG14.html

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cythrault:

stuarta; new fec? 7/8? no. I had to restore dtv_multiplex from a dump...

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Jazon:

Host/Kernel/OS "HP-Kanotix" running Linux 2.6.16.16-kanotix-1 i686 [ KANOTIX 2006 Easter ]

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Jazon:

CPU Info (1) Intel Pentium 4 clocked at [ 3201.601 MHz ]

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Jazon:

(2) Intel Pentium 4 clocked at [ 3201.601 MHz ]

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Jazon:

Videocard ATI RV370 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)] X.Org 7.0.0 [ 1280x1024 @75hz ]

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Jazon:

Network cards Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+, at port: e800

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Jazon:

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titan:

gardengnome, then what could be causing it? that's the only output I get.

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stuarta:

Jazon: use pastebin.ca!!!!!!!

[20:41:03]

gardengnome:

Jazon: yep. "using_lirc" looks good.

[20:41:23]

gardengnome:

titan: look in the mythbackend logs, /var/log/myth* or something like that

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Jazon:

gardengnome: cool – so i just need the file then???

[20:42:09]

stuarta:

cythrault: no-no, the stuff that's supposed to be 5/6 but is 7/8....

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cythrault:

stuarta; transponders that are supposed to be 5/6 (as listed on lyngsat) works with 5/6 but won't tune with 7/8

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titan:

hm, gardengnome, it seems that running "mythbackend" works, but not the service file in rc5.d

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titan:

you know why that might be?

[20:43:32]

cythrault:

stuarta; it's like the nit data is wrong.

[20:43:51]

stuarta:

that is the problem, we are believing the NIT :-/

[20:44:06]

cythrault:

indeed

[20:44:08]

cythrault:

but

[20:44:29]

cythrault:

during scan, would it be possible to cycle the fec until you get a lock?

[20:44:52]

cythrault:

if the nit info does not lock...

[20:44:58]

cythrault:

i'm just saying

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stuarta:

well, no you can't get a NIT unless you have a lock

[20:45:28]

cythrault:

ah, yes indeed.

[20:45:55]

cythrault:

but once you have a lock on a ts, it will get the nit with wrong fec for the other ts...

[20:46:10]

cythrault:

because some ts do neeed 7/8 as the nit says.

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stuarta:

so we probably should believe the NIT up to a point, but retrieve the rest of the info back from the card.

[20:46:25]

cythrault:

exactly my point

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gardengnome:

Jazon: yep

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cythrault:

because I don't mind editing the tables by hand, but some other people may not be as sql literate

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gardengnome:

titan: maybe the wrong path? dunno what distro you're using.

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WillCooke:

ello Juski, sorry for the delay – was going through the schedules for next week... what a suprise.... there's f**k all on.

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stuarta:

I'll keep that in mind. need to write a patch. It is the FEC that is incorrect in your NIT?

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Juski:

world cup abandonment of the schedules

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WillCooke:

.. and another thing... BBC Radio 7... what a disapointment that is

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gardengnome:

g'night guys, see ya tomorrow :)

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Juski:

night gardengnome

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WillCooke:

gnight gnight gnome

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WillCooke:

I've moved over to the EPG guide only, now. Not sure about it yet; the classifications are a mess

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Juski:

yeh they class stuff as 'entertainment' when it's blatantly shite ;-)

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WillCooke:

:))

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WillCooke:

It classes some very odd things as "Game Show"

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Juski:

this silly ubuntu box keeps starting up in 640x480

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Juski:

it has all the right modes in xorg.conf

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_nero_:

ahh yes.. my compile script worked..

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_nero_:

updated svn, configured, then compiled and installed..

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gardengnome:

Juski: you might wanna make sure that gnome/kde isn't re-setting the resolution. (i'm supposed to be asleep. damn. bye.)

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

thanks.. and night again

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WillCooke:

Juski: It has a habbit of doing that if the mointor is off when you boot up

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Zider:

xris: why?

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WillCooke:

try telling it to ignore the edid?

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xris:

Zider: every time I touch something that uses 3d opengl, X restarts

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xris:

I think the latest driver has issues

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Zider:

strange

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Zider:

what card?

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jams:

nvidia strikes again!

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** xris curses emacs keys (control-w) doing different things in gui apps **

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xris:

anyway, I think it's the 8762 driver release

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xris:

but my video card died yesterday and now that I have my machine functional again I don't want to touch it.

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xris:

(work machine)

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mchou:

xris: what was funky about nvidia 8762?

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Zider:

8762 works just fine here tho

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Zider:

maybe it's a card specific issue

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xris:

mchou: dunno. every time I open nvidia-settings and click on the GL stuff, X restarts

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xris:

the flurry screensaver does it, too

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mchou:

Zider: I'm about to give 8762 a shot.....

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xris:

mchou: I have a pretty crappy card, though...

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Zider:

hm, I've never used nvidia-settings tho.. but a lot of opengl stuff

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mchou:

but the "fixes" in 8762 are mostly SLI according to the readme....

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Zider:

gf2mx in mediacenter and gf6600gt in ws

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mchou:

xris: cant be any crappier than my $10 eVGA fx5200 card

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xris:

mchou: only thing that makes this one better is that it's not eVGA (asus)

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mchou:

xris: heh

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mchou:

I dont think asus would be crappy, but what do I know

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xris:

we got 3 of them for the developer workstations (about $35 apiece a year ago), but I was the only one who could use one because it has a dvi-D plug, not dvi-I and I'm the only one with a dvi-capable lcd

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mchou:

xris: mine doesnt even have a DVI plug of any sort, that's how crappy it is :)

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mchou:

only vga

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mchou:

but for $10 one cant really expect much.....

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mchou:

xris: I plugeed that POS card in my fully populated myth backend and thething was so bad it messed up the machine's PCI config space

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frederikfdvp:

hi everyone

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titan:

2006-05–25 14:15:05.889 NVP: Disabling Audio, reason is: WARNING: something is currently using: /dev/dsp, retrying.

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titan:

'lsof /dev/dsp' returns absolutely nothing....

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titan:

what's going on?

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titan:

hi, frederikfdvp

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frederikfdvp:

i installed mythtv at a friends house , buth when viewing living tv , the sound hangs sometimes and then goes one , its anyoing

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xris:

mchou: ouch

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frederikfdvp:

when opening a video its works perfect

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frederikfdvp:

anyone know what the problem could be ?

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WillCooke:

bad signal?

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mchou:

frederikfdvp: dont watch livetv with myth. end of problem. seriously

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xris:

who watches livetv anymore?

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pickler:

xris: those with DVB-T

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xris:

pickler: huh?

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mchou:

pickler: yeah, huh??

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xris:

oh, in response to my livetv thing.

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xris:

pickler: why would dvb-t matter?

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xris:

only ones I can think of who benefit from livetv are people who watch sports.

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ivor:

xris: or bored people.

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pickler:

limited view points

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pickler:

interactive TV, maybe phone in?

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pickler:

maybe it's a game show?

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ivor:

yup, bored people.

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mchou:

using myth to watch livetv is the equivalent of dropping an a-bomb to kill an ant

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ivor:

:)

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pickler:

sure, you are always right, i'm sorry

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gutano:

perhaps his point is that the feature is there, so it might as well work

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speedsix:

Hi all, how's it going

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xris:

ivor: changing channels in livetv is too slow for me ... I just watch actual live tv

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mchou:

gutano: "work" is a relative term. I only use livetv in myth to verify I've hooked up the HW coreectly :)

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ivor:

xris: yeah? how slow is slow.

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mchou:

correctly*

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gutano:

mchou: I only had a frame grabber previously, and this last time I set it up in a new box I couldn't even change channels... =/ ordered new card this morning

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mchou:

gutano: huh??

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gutano:

mchou: very hard for me to compare usability to others atm, heh

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mchou:

gutano: what card was this?

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xris:

ivor: 2–5 seconds

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gutano:

pv-bt878p+

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gutano:

ordered a pvr-150 this morning

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ivor:

xris: oh. sounds about right. I'm quite happy with that.

[21:29:24]

mchou:

gutano: get real

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ivor:

I just use browe mode to get where I want to be and hit ok.

[21:29:40]

mchou:

gutano: stop using crappy hw :)

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xris:

ivor: it's just annoying... less so now that I finally have my remote configured, but it's just as easy to watch the cable box.

[21:30:15]

ivor:

xris: heh. myth is my only tv viewing capability. :)

[21:30:21]

gutano:

mchou: it was few years old, and in first year of college wasn't exactly rich enough to test my interest in tuners with a nice one

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mchou:

gutano: how much did 150 cost?

[21:30:39]

gutano:

$90 for the mce with the remote

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mchou:

gutano: bah. I think that's a rip.....

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jams:

my digital cable box ended up in the basement

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gutano:

mchou: *shrug* what else would you recommend?

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mchou:

gutano: I recommend firewire :)

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gutano:

who do you get cable through?

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mchou:

gutano: and considering you're served by comcast, a HDTV STB

[21:32:21]

gutano:

I looked pretty hard, but didn't find much success of digital stuff outside broadcast channels

[21:32:22]

mchou:

gutano: $5/mo

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K|NgGh0sT:

Can someone help me install a dvb card? I cant get it to make /dev/dvb

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speedsix:

K|NgGh0sT, what card is it?

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mchou:

gutano: what do you mean by "looked pretty hard?"

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K|NgGh0sT:

Twinhan 102g

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gutano:

mchou: googled for 2/3 a day

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mchou:

gutano: shit. that not looking

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gutano:

mchou: most promising remarks where, might get more than broadcast channels if your lucky

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speedsix:

I had a similar problem with a Twinhan card which was solved by doing a modprobe dvb_btx88

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mchou:

gutano: go to the local comcast office and pick up a HDTV STB for $5.

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K|NgGh0sT:

speedsix, I did modprobe dvb-core; modprobe bt878; modprobe dst; modprobe dvb-bt8xx and it wont make /dev/dvb

[21:34:33]

mchou:

gutano: if no luck return it, you out $5.

[21:34:39]

gutano:

mchou: hey don't get me wrong, I asked in here quite a few times, no response... =/ but I'd love to hear more about this...

[21:34:42]

mchou:

gutano: that's REAL looking

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gutano:

mchou: so this is a dvb card you buy directly from them?

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speedsix:

if you do a dmesg | grep bttv does it list anything next to the 'autodetect' bit?

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mchou:

gutano: no.

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mchou:

gutano: you dont "buy" anything from comcast. you lease a STB for $5/mo

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gutano:

oh set top box

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** gutano kicks himself **

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mchou:

you can record SDTV and HDTV thru firewire

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xris:

gutano: firewire is NICE....

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xris:

mchou: depending on the provider, of course

[21:36:19]

mchou:

gutano: no need for crappy pvr-x50s

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speedsix:

Can someone do me a favour, my backend just crashed while watching a recording, looked in the logs and saw this http://pastebin.com/738058 Any ideas why is decides to upgrade the db schema??

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K|NgGh0sT:

ttv: Bt8xx card found (0).

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mchou:

xris: gutano has cumcast

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speedsix:

K|NgGh0sT, does it say generic?

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K|NgGh0sT:

bttv0: detected: Twinhan VisionPlus DVB-T [card=113], PCI subsystem ID is 1822:0001

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beyonddeath:

is there a list of providers some place that have firewire hdtv boxes?

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gutano:

might give that a try, no tuner required, just straight firewire?

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speedsix:

o right that seems ok

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K|NgGh0sT:

when I load it, It just doesnt make a /dev/dvb

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speedsix:

All I had to do on my mates machine with the Twinhan was make the machine load the dvb_bt8xx module on boot

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WillCooke:

K|NgGh0sT: On debian?

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K|NgGh0sT:

WillCooke, yes

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WillCooke:

etch?

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K|NgGh0sT:

sarge

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K|NgGh0sT:

I'm willing to update

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K|NgGh0sT:

if it stops this three week search to get FTA working

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WillCooke:

K|NgGh0sT: http://www.pvrweb.com//bbs-old/viewtopic.php?t=26326

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xris:

mchou: I've heard from some comcast users who only get broadcast channels

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K|NgGh0sT:

Thanks dude

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mchou:

xris: no doubt. but gutano is in MN, not some "large" city

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WillCooke:

K|NgGh0sT: might not work, if not look into "mknod"

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mchou:

xris: so chances are they havent rolled out 5C

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gutano:

mchou, xris: I bet it has alot to do with the infrastructure setup by mediaone/attbi before comcast bought them

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xris:

mchou: isn't the box itself supposed to decode the 5c stuff?

[21:44:25]

mchou:

xris: no, you need equipment at the headend for 5C

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mchou:

cable plant

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mchou:

not just the STB

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mchou:

xris: which is why it works for you in SEA and not some other places :)

[21:46:17]

mchou:

time to install my ACPI enabled kernel......

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WillCooke:

K|NgGh0sT: or if sarge uses udev, look here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NovaTHowTo

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mchou:

with suspend2

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WillCooke:

and do the bit about udev about half way down

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gutano:

anyhow... shame he left... "Minneapolis and St. Paul and the surrounding area is the most highly populated area in Minnesota and the 15th-largest metropolitan area in the United States"

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titanium_platypu:

yes, I finally have it "working"!

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titan:

my only problem is....it stores all of my live TV viewings as recorded programs. Why is it doing that?

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WillCooke:

titan: set the browse filter to default

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Juski:

titan: mythtv records everything. it will automatically expire short recordings rapidly, but longer shows will expire in as little as one day unless you press R while watching live TV to flag it as something you want to keep

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titan:

oh, okay. So those recordings will go away?

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titan:

in due time?

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LedHed:

I'm getting some tearing on my recordings. (its in the recording, not the playback) What might be causing this? 4x PVR-250 7x 160GB RAID5 on 3Ware 9500 1GB RAM on Pentium4 2.8.

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corpix:

hmm, mythtv-backend crashes on 10010 svn when starting to look for EIT

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gutano:

LedHed: have you ever had this configuration working?

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LedHed:

gutano: yes, the tearing has always been there, but its more prevalent now

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WillCooke:

titan: yeah, they'll expire automatically – it is actually quite handy when you watch something and want to watch it again later

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corpix:

any reason why transcoding to MPEG-4 doesn't work ?

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titan:

yeah, that's nice. okay, thanks.

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LedHed:

corpix: theres always a reason, finding out which one is the hard part

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corpix:

LedHed: well, as you say it, no debug info, even with --verbose all

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LedHed:

corpix: has mpeg4 transcoding worked in the past?

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corpix:

no

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LedHed:

does any transcoding work? DIVX?

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corpix:

you mean in general or with mythtv ?

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LedHed:

on the system you're trying to transcode with

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Juski:

right my work is done for tonight.. night all

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roe:

I am having a similar problem Ledhed

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corpix:

LedHed: RTJPG transcoding works, but it produces *nuv files which arent playable, even with mplayer

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LedHed:

roe: with transcoding or tearing?

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roe:

tearing = ripping?

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corpix:

LedHed: of course, transcoding works, i usually use mencoder to transcode hq xvid'S

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LedHed:

corpix: you have all the necessry software installed?

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corpix:

LedHed: yes, for sure

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corpix:

LedHed: try it on your own, it simply doesn't do anything

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LedHed:

roe: describe your setup...

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corpix:

its queued, but no results

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roe:

myth .19

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LedHed:

roe: CPU RAM Capture Device etc

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roe:

athlon 2200, 512MB my tuner card is a 250

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LedHed:

corpix: honestly I've never tried to transcode to MPEG-4.

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roe:

the transcoding I am having an issue iwth though is from a DVD

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corpix:

LedHed: are you familiar with UserJobs ?

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LedHed:

corpix: havent used them yet, though I hope to be able to use them to transcode all my recordings to a ReplayTV compatible MPEG format....

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LedHed:

roe: so your tearing happens when you RIP the DVD's or when you watch them? or when you Transcode them to another format?

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roe:

what do you mean by tearing.... transcode just crashes for me when RIPping

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corpix:

LedHed: well, i use a script http://pastebin.ca/58912 to transcode to xvid passing "%DIR%/%FILE%" options, i set up several shows to use it, but it doesn't even queue.

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corpix:

anyone in here who set up a user job ?

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LedHed:

corpix: does it transcode without your script?

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LedHed:

say from the command line?

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corpix:

yes

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corpix:

flawlessly

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LedHed:

so its not myth. its your script

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corpix:

it does transcode from command line

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corpix:

so its myth

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LedHed:

no, its your script. if it were myth then no one would be able to transcode

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corpix:

LedHed: i think transcoding and transcoding using a UserJob is a big difference, isnt it ?

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sapbeast:

corpix: i just checked mine, its been sitting in the queue since yesterday :p

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corpix:

sapbeast: ;)

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roe:

where does transcode log errors?

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sapbeast:

corpix: having better luck than i did yesterday though with my script

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corpix:

sapbeast: i looked through the db, myth doesnt even save the scripts name in the db

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sapbeast:

ive got the bitrate about spot on now 696M May 25 17:28 work_damn_you.avi

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sapbeast:

:(

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sapbeast:

i also did some experimentation... xvid is still better/faster than libavcodec mpeg4

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corpix:

sapbeast: yes, the scripts are nice, but i really don't get why myth isnt executing userjobs

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corpix:

it's told to ... for every show here

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sapbeast:

yeah the one im trying to queue up never does

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sapbeast:

http://www.klystron.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=516

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Syphn:

yo ...

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titan:

yo.

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Syphn:

i'm getting an error when mythcomflag is executed ...

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Syphn:

Can't open file: 'recordedmarkup.MYI' (errno: 145)

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Syphn:

anyone got any ideas?

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Syphn:

this thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 45%29;#42642

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Syphn:

does anyone know how to find recordedmarkup.MYI or which db to execute this on? repair table recordedmarkup;

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sphery:

Syphn: just do a mysqlcheck

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Syphn:

connect to msql?

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sphery:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/mysqlcheck.html

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sphery:

You run it very much like the mysql client

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Syphn:

sec.

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sphery:

make sure you include the --repair option

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Syphn:

i don't know the database name

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sphery:

something like:

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sphery:

mysqlcheck --repair -umythtv -p mythconverg

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Syphn:

awe ..

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Syphn:

sec.

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Syphn:

sweet changed number of rows in recordedmarkup :-)

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Syphn:

thanks ..

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Syphn:

testing now

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sphery:

Unfortunately, your work isn't yet done.

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sphery:

Any recordings made since the table was corrupted will not have seektables, so you'll have to rebuild them.

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sphery:

If you're watching a show and it takes forever to skip or jump, your best bet is to exit it and run a "mythcommflag --rebuild -f /path/to/file" on it and watch the show later

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sphery:

Also, I highly recommend you set up a daily cron job to fix your database.

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sphery:

Use the optimize_mythdb.pl script

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sphery:

It's in the contrib directory of the source distribution.

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sphery:

If you can't find it, you can get it from http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . l?format=raw

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corpix:

sapbeast: it looks like myth doesnt pass the options, e.g. i call the script with : myth2xvid.sh "%DIR" "%FILE" (in mythtv-setup) , but the script doesnt get any options

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roe:

ok... why does "import DVD" only work with a quality setting of ISO, if I select "excellent" "good" or "perfect" it goes about half way then just back to the menu

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sphery:

Syphn: if you set up the cron job with optimize_mythdb.pl, the problem you just fixed will automatically be fixed when the script is run--meaning you'll never go more than 24 hours with corrupted tables.

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sapbeast:

corpix: i cant even get it to start

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corpix:

sapbeast: did you enable it in mythtv-setup ?

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corpix:

there is "allow user jobs"

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corpix:

in 1. General

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sapbeast:

lemme see

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sapbeast:

indeed it was disabled

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sapbeast:

ok now it returned an error in the queue list

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sapbeast:

was not in the default path... ill try to use an absolute link

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roe:

"

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sapbeast:

sort of working

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sapbeast:

the spaces in the name are lousing up

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corpix:

sapbeast: yes, better dont use spaces

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sapbeast:

no not the script

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corpix:

i know

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sapbeast:

my bash script kung fu is not strong tho

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corpix:

sapbeast: i guess i got it working now

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sapbeast:

yeah its ok here now

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sapbeast:

at least passing the right stuff

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corpix:

sapbeast: change this according to your needs, you might have one or two different options for mencoder : http://pastebin.ca/58918 , be sure to comment out line 7, $DEBUG

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sapbeast:

http://www.klystron.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=520

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sapbeast:

i made a basic script that wrote the command line params to a file... so now i just need to adjust that to my transcoding script

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corpix:

sapbeast: heh, rox+xfce4, just my setup

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sapbeast:

i just use xfce for vnc because its lightweight

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sapbeast:

running kde for that is slightly excessive

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corpix:

vnc ? why not nx ?

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sapbeast:

nx is...? im just used to using tightvnc/ultravnc

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corpix:

sapbeast: nx is like using ssh to remote to X

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corpix:

fast + secure

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corpix:

-> better than vnc

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corpix:

sapbeast: ftp://korpyx.dyndns.org/shot2.jpg

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sapbeast:

i already use ssh tho

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sapbeast:

funny you have that movie as your desktop, thats in the dvd drive of my mythbox right now :p

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corpix:

heh

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corpix:

it's jules after he just ate bred's burger

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sapbeast:

http://pastebin.ca/58919

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sapbeast:

this is what i have managed to narrow down my transcode to

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sapbeast:

after alot of fiddling

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corpix:

hmm, pretty high bitrate

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sapbeast:

well thats where 30 min = 700MB

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sapbeast:

and given the noise in some of my tv channels, it needs it :p

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corpix:

hmm, that bitrate would even be too high for dvds ;)

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corpix:

but . well , ok

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corpix:

;)

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roe:

do we know if the scripts that come with .19 work for importing DVDs?

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corpix:

roe: in svn they work

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corpix:

dunno about .19

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roe:

ok

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sapbeast:

corpix: well more recently im using noise filtering on the pvr-150

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sapbeast:

but my older recordings have no such thing, so encode poorly

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mchou:

bah...

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mchou:

suspend2 no worky

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Daluv:

Hi, I am unable to get some channel over a certain number ( those channel do exist and used to work) Should I rebuild my database? I try to look for any knind of log/error but there i snon..

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corpix:

sapbeast: seems like myth's internal player can't play xvid ;(

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corpix:

argh

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corpix:

2006-05–26 01:31:27.937 AFD: Successfully opened decoder for file: "myth://192.168.1.2:6543/29106_20060526012300.mpg.avi". novideo(0)

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corpix:

2006-05–26 01:31:27.937 VideoOutputNull()

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sapbeast:

even under "videos"

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sapbeast:

?

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corpix:

well, there i use mplayer

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sapbeast:

although im not replacing the videos in mythtv with xvid

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sapbeast:

im making a seperate copy thats transcoded for archiving

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sapbeast:

trying something using mplayer/mencoder for win32... my athlon 64 4000+ can do xvid encode at 30 fps with everything turned up @_@

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WAR_CH|LD:

anyone alive? I have some questions about the mythtv post processing user jobs

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WAR_CH|LD:

just wanted to know you have some variables define i nthere and just wanted to check their meanings

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WAR_CH|LD:

eg. %FILE% is the filename mythtv has given the recording, and %DIR% is the file store location?

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sapbeast:

WAR_CH|LD: we were just discussing that actually

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WAR_CH|LD:

nice, nice. have I got it right?

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sapbeast:

yeah that is correct

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sapbeast:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commit . . . /004233.html

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sapbeast:

read down a few pages, its described there

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WAR_CH|LD:

yea, nice. then my script will working nicely. :)

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WAR_CH|LD:

w00t

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WAR_CH|LD:

thanks sapbeast

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sapbeast:

well me and corpix are trying to do user jobs on custom transcoding :p

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WAR_CH|LD:

yeah, I need to do something similar for certain recordings only.

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WAR_CH|LD:

basically I use the mpeg2 video to pump through an image recognition system

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WAR_CH|LD:

but with 0.19 the video from the digital cards became incompatible.....

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WAR_CH|LD:

i've worked out a way to re-wrap the video to get it to work

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WAR_CH|LD:

(way quicker than transcoding to something else)

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_nero_:

I though 0.19 left the mpeg2 video as mpeg2?

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WAR_CH|LD:

well, with an dvb card, it does.

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WAR_CH|LD:

but I dunno what they have done, but it's slightly different from 0.18.1

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WAR_CH|LD:

I know that much

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_nero_:

not with a PVR-x50?

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WAR_CH|LD:

no, they are fine

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_nero_:

ahhh. ok.. nm..

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AngryElf:

hey guys, still troubleshooting my non-working pvr-500....my 350 works fine. I've got output from 'ivtvctl -a -d /dev/video{1,2,3} here: http://pastebin.com/738375 Can anyone take a look and see if anything is fishy?

[23:59:44]

GreyFoxx:

myth has never altered the incoming stream from a pvr cards unless you transcode them

[23:59:46]

** _nero_ shuts his big babbling mouth **

[23:59:53]

WAR_CH|LD:

I have two cards with hte

[23:59:54]

WAR_CH|LD:

Zarlink MT352 DVB-T

[23:59:54]

AngryElf:

^^ that should be {0,1,2}

[23:59:57]

_nero_:

GreyFoxx, thats what I thought..

[23:59:57]

WAR_CH|LD:

which cause me problems

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