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Tuesday, May 23rd, 2006, 00:02 UTC

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[R]:

does anyone know how to make multiple remotes work? i'm rying to do what it says on the lirc website but it doesnt send the 2nd remote's codes to /dev/lircd socket

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janneg:

xris: I've looked at all files in .svn and there are only copies of the current version

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WAR_CH|LD:

what remotes/receivers can people recommand to work with lirc?

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xris:

janneg: weird. wonder why it's like 10x larger, then

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janneg:

huh, mine is not 10 times larger. 256kb against 152KB for trunk/mythtv

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|dirk|:

ivtv0: Failed to load module saa7115

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|dirk|:

ok when I load the ivtv module I get

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|dirk|:

sorry that came out backwords

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|dirk|:

I also get

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|dirk|:

ivtv0 warning: i2c client addr: 0x21 not found for command 0xc0cc5605!

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|dirk|:

could this be my problem?

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rhacer:

anyone using a Harmony remote with their MythTV?

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xris:

rhacer: pretty sure isaac (chutt) does

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xris:

|dirk|: it certainly looks like it would cause trouble

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rhacer:

I love my Harmony remote, took me a while to get it completely setup the way I want, but it works really well.

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xris:

janneg: hmm, seemed larger last I checked my work stuff.. 47M vs 20M

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|dirk|:

did I forget a module?

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rhacer:

so can you control all the features of MythTV with a remote? or do you need a keyboard?

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xris:

rhacer: most of them, I think

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xris:

|dirk|: looks like it

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janneg:

rhacer: if your remote has enough buttons, yes. button events are translated to keys in the .lircrc

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xris:

janneg: only if you don't use the native support, which is preferred

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|dirk|:

if thats the case, I'm sorry for pestering everyone for such an honest stupid mistake

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janneg:

yeah, that's an old setup

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xris:

|dirk|: that's why most of us hang out here.

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rhacer:

janneg, my Harmony has enough keys to do anything.

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asd26:

dudes if i put two different cards in mythtv, i could use one of the remotes to control it?

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asd26:

i have audio cracks with my DVB card in windows, even when the tv is switched off

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tewk:

G.A.N.T is hanging on me, is there a way to change the active theme without running mythfrontend

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tewk:

G.A.N.T is hanging on me, is there a way to change the active theme without running mythfrontend

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Agrajag-:

hmm try asking again

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Agrajag-:

anyway yes, use mysql to update the Theme value in the settings table

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tewk:

Sorry my ncurses irssi was screwed up. Thanks for the hint, I'll go see if I can change it.

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dscoular:

asd26, yes... one remote to rule them all

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Glasswalkr:

Hello, just a quick question. Does myth have any known issues with harddrives? I am using knoppmyth (nobody seems alive in their channel), and I started with an old dual processor P3 system with an older 80G hdd, within 3 weeks, the hdd died. Figured it was a bad hdd, but just in case there was compatibility issues I bought a pci ide controller and a brand new 250g ide drive.

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Glasswalkr:

Within 3 weeks it died again, I was kinda surprised at this, so I bought a brand new system altogether, and now 3 weeks later, hard drive died AGAIN...

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jams:

bad luck

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Glasswalkr:

each time the myth box starts getting slightly skippy video (small skips every few minutes) about 3–5 days before dying, then suddenly the backend dies... When I reboot fsck starts seeing errors, then in the middle of repair tons of io request errors and dma errors.

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Glasswalkr:

same symptoms each time

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dscoular:

Glasswalkr, you could use S.M.A.R.T to check the health of your disks.

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dscoular:

Glasswalkr, SMART monitoring would allow you to watch the error rates.

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Glasswalkr:

I know, the bios on this system (and the last) didn't have a built in smart tool. Is there software for linux that will do it? I don't want to install windows on this box just to try and diagnose it.

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Glasswalkr:

right now fsck is trying to repair it, and it seems to be plugging through it (been running for like an hour now) but getting alot of those io errors

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jams:

Glasswalkr- to answer your question there are no know isues with harddrives. some say using resierfs is bad.

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GreyFoxx:

smartctl

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dscoular:

Glasswalkr, SMART technology is builtin to most modern disks... Linux can read it.

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jams:

howdy GreyFoxx

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Glasswalkr:

ok, I will check the health of the disk. Yeah I don't think it is resierfs, it is ext3 I think (whatever knoppmyth uses by default)

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dscoular:

Glasswalkr, there's even a floppy based distro specifically for it: http://smartlinux.sourceforge.net/ but most distros support smart monitoring these days.

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dscoular:

I've had my same myth system for 2 years with the same 2 x 250GB disks.

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dscoular:

Both disks are way over the thresholds set by the manufacturers under SMART so I'm way overdue a failure... oh well ;)

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Glasswalkr:

just really frustrating. Trying to convince my wife to use the myth box as our new tv solution, and she loved it, but she is the type that as soon as something goes wrong with technology, she has no trust in it and "would rather use the trusted brandname solution" but it will save us money on cable... so trying to get the bloody thing stable.

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dscoular:

Glasswalkr, I guess you could build a software raid

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Glasswalkr:

I have NEVER seen that many hard drive failures in a row in a specific household and I have worked with computers for most of my life...

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Glasswalkr:

dscoular: yeah, can't afford the spare harddrives for raid. nowadays with the difference in prices for drives, it is much cheaper to buy one larger disk than many smaller ones (that is until you breach the 400G mark)

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Glasswalkr:

Also pisses me off a bit because I have like 100 hours of recorded video on this box... dammit...

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Glasswalkr:

lol

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robthebob:

hey was just wondering what a simple tool for telling the PIDs of streams within a TS or a PS was?

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Glasswalkr:

ok, the smart health data shows "Passed"

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Glasswalkr:

and nothing looks out of whack in the smart data screens

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Glasswalkr:

I am running the smart selftest now. but I don't quite understand it's output.

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|dirk|:

ok I have another question

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|dirk|:

I found out you have to run mtd to rip dvds

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|dirk|:

while I'm in the dvd rip menu and want to rip the iso what button do I press

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|dirk|:

I know this is a stupid question

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dscoular:

|dirk| I think it's the zero key

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Glasswalkr:

I know that in certain windows utilities to check smart status, you can see the % of health, is there a way to do that with smartctl? (this one when I check health just shows "passed")

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dscoular:

Erm, I can't remember using smartctl... I just looked at the thresholds and compared them with the current counters... if they were over the thresholds that was bad

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dscoular:

I'd google for smartctl

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Glasswalkr:

ok, well all the thresholds are reporting as 000 except for like 10 of the variables. the ones that show 000 show values at 255, but the 10 that showed real thresholds the numbers were well below the thresholds...

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Glasswalkr:

The lifetime of the drive even confirms it is a BRAND new drive (20 days total runtime)

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dscoular:

ok, I'd regularily check this to see if somehow the controller is frying your disks

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Glasswalkr:

I just remembered that I had a bootable copy of spinrite 6, so I booted it, and it's smart screen shows 0 for all variables except relocated sectors, which it shows 303

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Glasswalkr:

dscoular: but this is in an entirely different motherboard

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** dscoular shrugs **

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Glasswalkr:

first time it failed in the older p3 board's onboard controller, so I bought a pci controller, then it failed again, now it is in a brand new motherboard's onboard controller

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Glasswalkr:

and each time with an entirely different harddrive

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dscoular:

Glasswalkr, what make of hdd ?

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Glasswalkr:

maxtor

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** dscoular thinks he will avoid **

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Glasswalkr:

first drive was the only on that was a used drive

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Glasswalkr:

it was a quantum

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Glasswalkr:

but the last 2 were both 250g maxtor drives...

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Glasswalkr:

bought brand new, still sealed...

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Glasswalkr:

I will be RMAing them, because they are brand new... but still it is frustrating...

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dscoular:

Glasswalkr, I feel your pain

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Glasswalkr:

lol, man... what a friggin month. First my datacenter up and formats the wrong server, wiping over 300 client websites, nearly putting my business under, then my wife gets sick, then my investors pull out, then my backups fail in my office, then my satellite dish breaks, then this happens? (all in a span of 3 weeks)

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Glasswalkr:

does anyone have a gun that I could borrow so that I can get this overwith? :) lol

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asd26:

hey dudes i have a DTV card and old analog card, and two remotes for them

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asd26:

is it ok to use analogy remote to control the DTV card? or must it connect via the analog card

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Glasswalkr:

Oh did I mention I have been searching for a certain ps1 game for like 2 years, and just today I found an iso copy of it, installed it on the myth box, (using epsxe as the emu from within the games menu) and played a bunch. But the savegame and my only copy of the iso are on this harddrive?

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Glasswalkr:

I think I'm gonna cry

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Glasswalkr:

lol

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Glasswalkr:

Running a full data recovery with spinrite... If level 2 recovery fails I will run level 5, which is damn near a full forensic recovery

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Glasswalkr:

I want that bloody data back! :) lol

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cesman:

asd26: MythTV doesn't care about which remote you use to control which card

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asd26:

cesman my DTV remote won't work on my DTV card

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asd26:

is that a hardware issue or just the remote it's self? will my

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asd26:

if plug it into my DTV plug, and then use my old remote would that work?

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asd26:

mabe it's hardware issue the remote hardware on the DTv card is the problem not the remote it's self

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cesman:

you only need one remote on the system

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cesman:

the remote will control "the computer" not the card

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asd26:

i mean the remote plug is on both cards

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cesman:

so, it doesn't matter if you use the remote that came with say a PVR-250 to control a pcHDTV 5500

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dscoular:

Glasswalkr, there's also http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/rip/ or http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page

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asd26:

but i mean, the cards have remote plugs

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asd26:

doesn't those plugs have to work, before the remote will even work

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cesman:

yes

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mgpaulus:

Hello. Does anyone happen to know off the top of their head where the downloaded xml file from labs.zap2it gets left when it's grabbed during a mythfilldatabase run?

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dscoular:

asd26, you only need one remote with matched receiver and driver to send input to the system.

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cesman:

if a remote came with a card, the remote must be plugged into that card

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dscoular:

asd26, once you can send input you can control all cards.

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asd26:

that driver issue..so i'm guessing my plug on DTV card is crippled

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xris:

mgpaulus: afaik it doesn't

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dscoular:

asd26, but the remote, card and driver must all be matched to work together

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mgpaulus:

my channels are messed up, and I want to straighten them out, but I would like to see the source file to figure out what to fix.

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asd26:

dscoular are so mixing DTV remote with analog card

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asd26:

is pointless

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asd26:

won't work

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dscoular:

mgpaulus, it is removed after mythfilldatabase is run

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mgpaulus:

I am having problems with the channel listings for my air2pc ATSC/OTA card.

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mgpaulus:

Hmmmmm.

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Varanger:

hi

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dscoular:

asd26, if you have an analog capture in your pc and a driver and a remote then you can control all cards.

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Varanger:

Have anyone tried the pcHDTV 3000 ?

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asd26:

dscoular going to try it

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dscoular:

mgpaulus, use tv_grab_* to manually test grabbing

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asd26:

been running my DTV on windows the last day

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dscoular:

asd26, it will work

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asd26:

dscoular it rather old, like 5 years old

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mgpaulus:

dscoular, thanks. I'll research and give it a shot.

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mgpaulus:

Varanger, are you looking for opinions on the card, or having difficulties?

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asd26:

bt878p+ rev9d

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dscoular:

dscoular, as long as the analogue driver supports the remote you are laughing

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Varanger:

mgpaulus: I am asking about good HDTV cards

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Varanger:

and I just listened about it

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asd26:

ok need to reboot to pull the DTv out of this machine

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asd26:

still don't understand why the dvd player won't work on mythtv

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asd26:

I'll be back

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Varanger:

mgpaulus: are you still here??

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mgpaulus:

Varanger, yes

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Varanger:

have you tried the pcHDTV 3000 ???

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mgpaulus:

Varanger, I don't have one of those cards. However, I have been playing with an ATSC card on myth-0.19, which is why I asked the question I did.

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mgpaulus:

Varanger, I might be able to help with technical difficulties. But not with opinions. I use an air2pc card, not the pcHDTV 3000

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xris:

anyone know about lircrc files and whether or not you can send sequences?

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xris:

my remote really needs pgup/down keys.

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dscoular:

xris, doesn't FF, REW act as pgup/down for certain screens.

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xris:

schultmc: those are left and right arrow keys, so probably not

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xris:

schultmc: sorry, that was for dscoular

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dscoular:

xris, you should be able map any key to any function. If you don't have enough keys consider using "modes": http://www.lirc.org/html/configure.html#lircrc_format

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dscoular:

oops, I think I mean something other than "mode"... let me do a quick RTFM

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xris:

mode might do it.

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dscoular:

xris, ah... yes "mode" was what I originally thought it was.

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dscoular:

xris, just got a bit confused skimming

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xris:

I bet. lirc is messy at times

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xris:

need lirc to be aware of what mode mythtv is in...

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dscoular:

xris, some people prefer inputlirc if they have an evdev based remote driver.

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dscoular:

xris, although it has the same config files.

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ol_schoola:

Nevo SL

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ol_schoola:

bi-directional wifi

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ol_schoola:

'nuff said

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ol_schoola:

too bad they're priced into the "custom" range

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** dscoular is Scottish... unable to part with money **

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xris:

not even for single malt?

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ol_schoola:

dscoular: i remember now :) and malt is water to Scotchman

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ol_schoola:

jams still here?

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EnterUserName:

hi guys

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EnterUserName:

im havinbg a problem

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EnterUserName:

my recording is using hte wrong channel

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EnterUserName:

though it says 28

[03:15:53]

EnterUserName:

it is recording channel 29 :S

[03:15:56]

EnterUserName:

how do i fix this problem

[03:16:32]

EnterUserName:

kk

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enterusername:

hello

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enterusername is now known as EnterUserName

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EnterUserName:

fucken hell

[03:17:28]

EnterUserName:

stupid lag

[03:17:41]

EnterUserName:

hi all

[03:17:48]

EnterUserName:

I have a small problem with my mythtvfrontend

[03:17:53]

EnterUserName:

its recording the wrong station

[03:17:58]

EnterUserName:

it says its recording 28 but its recording 29

[03:18:11]

EnterUserName:

how do i fix it

[03:19:00]

xris:

EnterUserName: cable box? analog? ota? dvb?

[03:19:09]

EnterUserName:

analog

[03:19:12]

EnterUserName:

DAMN lag

[03:19:13]

EnterUserName:

its analog

[03:19:20]

EnterUserName:

and when i place the station its right

[03:19:26]

EnterUserName:

on the money

[03:19:30]

EnterUserName:

its the program guide thats messing up

[03:20:38]

EnterUserName:

any ideas?

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EnterUserName:

its only DAMNWELL fox

[03:21:21]

EnterUserName:

all the other channels record fine!!!

[03:22:08]

EnterUserName:

hello?

[03:22:22]

EnterUserName:

is there a problem with Zapit?

[03:22:22]

dscoular:

EnterUserName, sounds like you might have to look at the mysql and channels table.

[03:22:26]

EnterUserName:

oh

[03:22:35]

EnterUserName:

dscoular: its only this one station

[03:22:38]

EnterUserName:

i dropped the table

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EnterUserName:

erk the database and recreated it

[03:22:52]

EnterUserName:

its showing Much instead of fox

[03:23:02]

dscoular:

Yeah, I'd still eyeball the tables for correctness

[03:23:04]

xris:

EnterUserName: svn?

[03:23:07]

EnterUserName:

yup

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xris:

there's a problem with some of the xmltv id's

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EnterUserName:

xris: its zapit though?

[03:23:31]

EnterUserName:

xris: any idea how to fix it?

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xris:

http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/zap2it_chanid.patch

[03:24:02]

xris:

that *should* do it

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EnterUserName:

thanx

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xris:

fixed it for me. Anduin's just been too busy cleaning up other stuff to fit that patch in (he wrote it)

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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EnterUserName:

where do i run this patch

[03:30:03]

EnterUserName:

where do i place the patch

[03:30:37]

EnterUserName:

nevermind i got it :)

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xris:

sorry, doing too many things at once

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EnterUserName:

xris: its ok i really appreciate the help :)

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EnterUserName:

i got it working

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EnterUserName:

lets hope it resolves my problem

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EnterUserName:

:)

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xris:

EnterUserName: you'll probably want to clear out your program and channel tables and redownload everything

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jams:

ol_schoola- for a bit

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abarbaccia:

hey – anybody here can help me out real quick? i have the 2.6.12 kernel and the 2.6.15 source – i want to install a module from the new kernel into my old kernel – the dvb drivers — any advice on how to do that?

[03:36:50]

abarbaccia:

i located the two modules and their corresponding code – i just need to figure out how to compile them and put the .ko? files into the correct directores

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abarbaccia:

correct?

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ol_schoola:

jams: there is an ADI location in Milwaukee <wink>

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mgpaulus:

abaraccia, that sounds essentially correct.

[03:39:08]

ol_schoola:

if you can fog a mirror...

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jams:

sure sure will look into that

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cesman:

abarbaccia: why not just get latest mercurial from linuxtv.org?

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cesman:

that maybe your best bet

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asd26:

Mythtv is installed

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** jams heads off to be **

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** jams heads off to bed **

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cesman:

sleep well

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abarbaccia:

cesman: its the avertv HD – it uses saa7134 and the nxt2004

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cesman:

ok...

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abarbaccia:

its in the 2.6.15 kernel

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cesman:

my statement still stands :)

[03:47:09]

abarbaccia:

which ubuntu dapper uses

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abarbaccia:

lol

[03:47:20]

abarbaccia:

maybe i should just click the link...

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cesman:

if you switch to KnoppMyth, you'll find it uses 2.6.15. ;)

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abarbaccia:

cesman: yuk

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cesman:

gee thanks for spitting on my hard work...

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abarbaccia:

im sorrry!!!

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abarbaccia:

it seriously is perfect – i just prefer more control

[03:49:07]

abarbaccia:

and i'm a huge ubuntu fanboy

[03:49:21]

abarbaccia:

nothing against knoppmyth

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EnterUserName:

hrm

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EnterUserName:

just so u guys know you cant go past to the next time frame when yer using hte station wihtthe right button

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EnterUserName:

with svn

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asd27:

i think mythtv has loaded the wrong driver for the aNALOG CARD

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cesman:

MythTV doesn't load any drivers for any card

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asd27:

whats ir-blaster?

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EnterUserName:

hey xris: the patch fixed the problem but created another one :)

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abarbaccia:

asd27 its a little blinking IR light that emulates your cable box's remote control

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EnterUserName:

but i can handle it until they fix it

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abarbaccia:

so mythtv can change the channel on your cable bo

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abarbaccia:

x

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asd27:

if i get this all working, i really need to do some mod work on making the PC alot quiter

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Anduin:

enterusername: What problem?

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EnterUserName:

well when im changing the station

[03:55:33]

EnterUserName:

i use to be able to use the right arrow key (or right remote contorl button)

[03:55:34]

smithson:

when your running mythfrontend on a different machine it is trying to cache livetv to the backend or is it trying to cache to the local machine?

[03:55:37]

EnterUserName:

to see the next show in line

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EnterUserName:

but it shows -

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EnterUserName:

and wont go to the next shows

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asd27:

is possible to turn off time shift?

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asd27:

since it's aggressive on the cpu

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Anduin:

enterusername: shouldn't have been introduced with the patch.

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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EnterUserName:

well it doesnt appear to be working..:S

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EnterUserName:

auduin: this is svn

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Anduin:

enterusername: and you see something useful in the program guide?

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EnterUserName:

and using xris patch to get the zapit channels to work

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EnterUserName:

yes

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EnterUserName:

The Program Guide shows the programs

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EnterUserName:

but when i press the right button while im viewing the stations to see the next show it doesnt show

[03:57:29]

EnterUserName:

not the program guide..

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EnterUserName:

not sure if you understand what im saying

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EnterUserName:

you know when you see the channel its on and you can see the next show by pressing right arrow button?

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Anduin:

enterusername: I understand, just checking that you actually had data.

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EnterUserName:

oh ya i have data

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EnterUserName:

i didnt do a make clean

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EnterUserName:

not sure if that would cause the issue when compiling it

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Anduin:

Shouldn't have been needed

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EnterUserName:

aftger applying the zap it patch

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EnterUserName:

oh ok thats what i thought

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Anduin:

Did you dump all the channel and program tables though?

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EnterUserName:

i didnt dump them

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EnterUserName:

i did a delete

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EnterUserName:

on the channels from mythtv-setup

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EnterUserName:

is that the same thing?

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EnterUserName:

and i did a reload of the zapit

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Anduin:

Sure, should make things clean enough.

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EnterUserName:

yes i did a refetch afterwards

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Anduin:

enterusername: That patch doesn't really change anything once you're watching, it just fixes up the channel number when importing the channel list.

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asd27:

i need to kill the backend server

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EnterUserName:

hmm i wonder what happened then :S

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asd27:

lol the remote no..work..ahh

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EnterUserName:

audin: u think is hould drop my database and recrreat eit :p

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EnterUserName:

and do a make clean

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EnterUserName:

maybe it'll fix it

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asd27:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/pixelview/playtv_pro.jpg my remote!

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Ryushin:

Sorry, I only a few minutes. My friend bought a pvr-150 card and it's only outputting black and white. The audio has a bit of static in it as well. Does anyone know what is going on?

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asd27:

for my analogy card

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asd27:

dudes how do download a file from prompt?

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Ryushin:

wget

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asd27:

got the conf

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smithson:

does the frontend store the watching tv cache on the machine its running or on the backend in situations with a seperate front/backend?

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EnterUserName:

hey

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EnterUserName:

does anone know if GATOS supports X600 yet?

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EnterUserName:

ati all in wonder

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Anduin:

enterusername: I would clear the channel and program tables and refill, that is all.

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cesman:

gatos.sf.net

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smithson:

im trying to figure out why the frontend would be saying eror file '/video/ ' missing

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asd27:

dscoular what u think my remote

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cesman:

smithson: backend

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smithson:

cesman: thanks

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cesman:

if you are using 0.19, there is no longer a "cache"

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smithson:

right its individual mpg files right?

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smithson:

so how does the frontend connect to that directory on the backend? because apparently that is what I am having problems with

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smithson:

they are in completely different ip ranges, would that cause it?

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adante:

any dvb users around, channel change is taking upwards of 10–15 seconds for me

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asd27:

dudes the remote is still not working

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mchou:

asd27: and that's our fault?

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asd27:

over course not

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cesman:

the frontend should be able to just stream from the backend

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cesman:

nothing needed

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smithson:

thats what I have read so far but im getting a could not open /video/(bunch of number).mpg'

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smithson:

and the same error when i try to go to playback a recording

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smithson:

im sure its something simple just a matter of finding it...

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smithson:

it connects to the db okay but thats a seperate config file..

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asd27:

if u have the right config and card driver installed whats next?

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cesman:

how ar eyou troubleshooting?

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cesman:

does irw work?

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cesman:

anything in syslog?

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asd27:

cesman irw says connection refused

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smithson:

you running fedora?

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asd27:

knop myth

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smithson:

ahh.. n/m

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smithson:

havent used that

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asd27:

say lirc_init failed for mythtv

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asd27:

could not initialize /dev/inputjs0

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smithson:

whats in /dev/lirc anything?

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smithson:

is the device even there?

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asd27:

yeah

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chuckyp:

hello?

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smithson:

is it a pvr-xxx ?

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chuckyp:

yes

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chuckyp:

are you talking to me?

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smithson:

no sorry that was directed to asd27

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chuckyp:

I'm having issues with auto-transcode not working. However, if I manually select transcode on a recording it works fine. I'm runing .19 with a pvr150

[04:42:07]

chuckyp:

Looking for ideas

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chuckyp:

Auto commercial flagging works for some reason but not auto-transcode.

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cesman:

which card and remote do you have?

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chuckyp:

cesman: me?

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asd27:

cesman http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/pixelview/playtv_pro.jpg

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cesman:

no, asd27

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asd27:

bt878 rev9d

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EnterUserName:

hey

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EnterUserName:

does anyone knjow if ther ATi All in wonder X600 works with gatos

[04:43:56]

EnterUserName:

now

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EnterUserName:

and if its compatible with mythtv?

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cesman:

asd27: you selected 31 from the list of options?

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asd27:

cesman that list failed

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asd27:

cesman i downloaded it off the site lirc

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cesman:

define failed

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asd27:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/pixelview . . . f.playtv_pro

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asd27:

it said to email some dude

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asd27:

for it

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cesman:

that dude is me

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cesman:

that it doesn't that state exactly....

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asd27:

what was the command does it again?

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asd27:

yeah i don't have detail etc..

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cesman:

as root:lirc-reconfig.sh

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asd27:

pls email blahblah@gmail.com

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asd27:

same thing

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cesman:

must be some other script as blahblah@gmail.com isn't me :)

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asd27:

knoppmyth@

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cesman:

it was a joke...

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chuckyp:

Is there a bug with auto transcode in mythtv .19?

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asd27:

cesman anyway to test if the remote is working

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cesman:

which # are you selecting?

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asd27:

31 pixelview

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cesman:

do this:

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xris:

chuckyp: backend logs are your best bet

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cesman:

echo pixelview_pro >> /usr/local/share/knoppmyth/remote

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asd27:

error is stating could not open .mythtv/lircrc not such file

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cesman:

then run the script again

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xris:

adante: run irw

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cesman:

I don't think I have an lircrc for that remote

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xris:

press buttons on the remote

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cesman:

perhaps you'd be some kind to send me one once this is working...

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xris:

cesman: plenty of sample lircrc files in contrib.. and keys.txt will tell you what keys do what in myth (for mapping)

[04:55:07]

asd27:

that kinda of worked

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asd27:

but still needs lircrc

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xris:

asd27: lircrc is for configuring mythtv-specific stuff.. you said you wanted to make sure the remote worked.

[04:56:07]

cesman:

xris: thanks

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cesman:

I'll have to take a look

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asd27:

lol the remote works

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asd27:

irw has aliens numbers

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cesman:

:)

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asd27:

i better write that echo thing

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xris:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . mple.mceusb2

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xris:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/keys.txt

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cesman:

you're remote should now just work

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asd27:

cesman so that lircd config i downloaded is worthless?

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xris:

use the example file for the format, and keys.txt for the keys you want.

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cesman:

I wouldn't say that

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xris:

the "button" stuff should match up with the button names for your remote from /etc/lircd.conf

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cesman:

odds are, it is the same I already included

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cesman:

the script just doesn't query more for the various pixelview remotes

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cesman:

however it does include several options in the script already

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cesman:

xris: I inlcude the keys.txt w/ KnoppMyth

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cesman:

it is one of the options if one connects to Apache

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asd27:

cesman didn't script re write the lircd.conf?

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xris:

cesman: you're the knopmyth maintainer?

[04:59:36]

cesman:

no

[04:59:49]

cesman:

xris: yes

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xris:

cool

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cesman:

KnoppMyth is my brain child

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cesman:

asd27: no, the script doesn't rewirte. I have sample configures that it copies over

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asd27:

well the remote names are matching

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asd27:

cesman u have a lird for a DTV1000t?

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cesman:

xris: thanks for MythWeb and your work on MythTV

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cesman:

asd27: I don't think so

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xris:

:)

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cesman:

cannot say I've heard of the DTV1000t

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cesman:

but that doesn't mean anything :)

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asd27:

cesman DTV card

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asd27:

leadtek winfast DTV1000T

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asd27:

i need to kill this backend

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xris:

my mythbox may finally be "ready"... remote works, tv out looks good...

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xris:

just need to push my tv back into place

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asd27:

does s-video to compoment exist?

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asd27:

my tv doesn't have s-video, and composite looks like crap

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cesman:

not that I'm aware of

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asd27:

lose of quality

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asd27:

this remote is bad, compared to the DTV one

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asd27:

no record buttne

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cesman:

any button can be a record button :)

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laga:

i'd suggest the "cancel recording" button.

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asd27:

i find mythtv won't restart if u get out of it

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asd27:

what user to i have to login into it?

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cesman:

it should automatically log you in as mythtv and start the frontend

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asd27:

interesting i try to log in with mythtv and says password is wrong

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asd27:

i'm pretty sure this is the one

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cesman:

should be mythtv/mythtv

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cesman:

unless you changed it

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asd27:

is it hard to map the keys for mythtv?

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asd27:

dam failed to scan..

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asd27:

how does one kill the backend

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cesman:

<alt><2> with floxbox running

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cesman:

<alt><1> will restart it again

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cesman:

those are KnoppMyth specific

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UBL:

asd27, you can re-map the keys within mythweb

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cesman:

the other way is /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

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asd27:

once i have this perfectly going i', going to iso the HDdrive..lol

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asd27:

not setting up ever again..lol

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cesman:

well, I think it is time for me to turn in..

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cesman:

later folks

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asd27:

cesman thanks for everything

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asd27:

UBL i'll try that after i scan this thing

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asd27:

it seems my analogy 320x240 has some use

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cesman:

you're welcome

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asd27:

u guys think 1333 AMD is powerful to record two channels at once?

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asd27:

i might have to reconfigure this thing i686

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asd27:

the remote is working already

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asd27:

sound card seems to be so sen, crashs the system

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asd27:

care australia commerial on tv, women the only ones that can fight poverty

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asd27:

woman feed their children...lol

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xris:

asd27: what kind of tuner card?

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asd27:

i have analogy and digital one

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asd27:

using the analogy for the remote

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xris:

you mean analog?

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asd27:

yeah

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xris:

but what kind? bttv or ivtv drivers?

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xris:

if the digital card is dvb, that should take very little cpu usage

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asd27:

xris its a dtv

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xris:

dtv?

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asd27:

mpeg2 signals i think it decodes

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asd27:

how do u go menu? without exiting the application?

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asd27:

it's ok i'll restart

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xris:

asd27: that'd probably be dvb, then

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asd27:

i'm wondering where mythweb is

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asd27:

lol u can send msg's to record from another place

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xris:

that's what it's all about

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asd27:

lol u can watch from another computer!

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asd27:

i love this thing

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xris:

heh

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asd27:

i was in the middle of fixing this thing up and show i want to watch was on the list..

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asd27:

so i started recording it

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kRutOn:

I love this show!

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** xris likes having groupies **

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asd27:

i don't think u can set the remote in mythtv

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xris:

asd27: huh?

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xris:

no, you configure the remote through lirc outside of myth

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asd27:

xris thats configured

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xris:

then what do you mean "set the remote"?

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asd27:

but i need to remote control mythtv

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asd27:

mythweb doesn't seems to have the option

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xris:

yeah. you configure the remote in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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xris:

I sent you a sample file earlier

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xris:

that's all through lirc, not mythtv directly

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xris:

mythweb lists the key bindings for each command in mythtv. you map those key bindings to the remote in the lircrc

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asd27:

so i need to print them after i do lecord..

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xris:

look at this file: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . mple.mceusb2

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xris:

that's the file I use for my lircrc

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xris:

your /etc/lircd.conf file will define buttons.. you just have to line those up with the functions you want. one little button per section.

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asd27:

http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/6967

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asd27:

thats my config

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asd27:

I've opened up /home/mythtv/lircrc file

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asd27:

ahh some many buttons to configure

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asd27:

i think there is time delay with the remote

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asd27:

i got the basic left right

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asd27:

whats volume up and volume down?

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Juski:

[ ] for mythmusic

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stuarta:

morning all

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Juski:

hucking fell asd27 rtfm ;-)

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Juski:

morning stuarta

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Juski:

eek – this terminal sesh is a tad sluggish today

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Juski:

asd27: looky looky: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1

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Juski:

btw stuarta: I tried editing & transcoding top gear recorded on my other box at the same time – it worked fine, so it was nowt to do with the broadcast

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stuarta:

i've a few peculiar files as well

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asd27:

i got volume working

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asd27:

XvMc vs standard?

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Dibblah:

Who's for betting http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/205230 isn't actually going to get followed :)

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Dibblah:

Morning, stuart.

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Dibblah:

Or probably even read.

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ivor:

Dibblah: lol. yeah

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Dibblah:

We have massive performance issues!!!111 – Let's refactor the whole of Myth!

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ivor:

it's always amusing/frustrating/annoying when there's long mail threads spinning out of control with people arguing about how this or that should be done.... without anyone actually doing or trying "it"

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stuarta:

nah, lets rewrite it in perl!

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Dibblah:

Sure. Should only come to a couple of hundred lines.

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ivor:

have similar frustrations with HCI arguments. where noone produces code or even prototypes to prove their point.

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Dibblah:

Can't wait to see what comes out of SoC :)

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asd27:

dam i can't play HDTV

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Dibblah:

Which HDTV?

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Merlin83b2:

Wow Dibblah, that's quite a long mail!

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ivor:

just vague arguments quoting fitts law or something jakob nielsen once said.

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asd27:

1080i

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asd27:

it can't handle it

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Dibblah:

Merlin83b2: Thanks ;)

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jasta:

grumble

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asd27:

i swear it worked on Xvmc before

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dscoular:

asd27, you got XvMC enabled ?

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jasta:

my roommates keep running bittorrents on our software raid server

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Dibblah:

Do you have a color OSD?

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jasta:

and it just destroys the sw raid performance :(

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asd27:

i think so i worked the other day

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dscoular:

asd27, do you really need HD ?

[08:38:32]

Dibblah:

asd27: If you have a color OSD, you don't have XVMC.

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stuarta:

Merlin83b2: daniel's submitted a fix for your compile problem

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ivor:

Dibblah: unless he's got chromakey turned on.

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** dscoular thinks he won't **

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Merlin83b2:

stuarta: Cool, I'll have a go at that later on. Thanks.

[08:39:22]

ivor:

dscoular: ! blasphemy. everyone needs HD.

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dscoular:

not if your a mean Scot's git too cheap to buy a decent telly

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asd27:

i don't think it saved the setting

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Dibblah:

... Well, if you're in Scotland, there's not really much point in buying a HD set.

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dscoular:

I'm in Oz, strangely enough

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Dibblah:

Same reasoning applies, I think.

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** dscoular nods **

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Dibblah:

Limited HD programming.

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** Dibblah wonders when the first HD pron channel will be launched. **

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dscoular:

asd27, xdpyinfo |grep XVideo-MotionCompensation

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stuarta:

when the actors aren't mutton dressed as lamb?

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asd27:

dscoular it's ok now

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dscoular:

asd27, that will tell you if you XvMC enabled

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dscoular:

asd27, a cool... so you are a "happy little vegemite ?"

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asd27:

yeah

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dscoular:

asd27, did you get lircd sorted ?

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asd27:

remote is working cool now

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** dscoular is happy asd27 made it to a working system **

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asd27:

i though that analog card was about to be buried :)

[08:44:50]

dscoular:

asd27, makes a good remo receiver I guess

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asd27:

i might another leadtech..have two tuners

[08:45:29]

dscoular:

asd27, yeah I never know how to compare DVB-T tuners since I only have experience with two... I guess the same is true for most people.

[08:46:09]

asd27:

dscoular it's really hard to find information, but i guess u gotta risks

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asd27:

still need to find a few things get the dvd player working

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asd27:

make sure it encodes to mpeg4

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Dibblah:

I like dumb-but-not-too-dumb. Most of the Novas are OK. Do not touch the bt8xx-dvb based ones with a bargepole.

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dscoular:

Yeah, I went for the hauppauge PVR-350 way back in the day when there were relatively few choices and it was quite a high end thang. Then got Nova-T when I heard about DVB-T

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dscoular:

Coz other people had the Nova-T working

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** stuarta likes his nebula dvbt which is bt8xx based **

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dscoular:

Then took a risk on the Avermedia DVB-T USB-2.0 thang

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Juski:

nothing wrong with cx88 cards AFAIK

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dscoular:

It works but isn't quite so sensitive as the Nova-T.

[08:48:04]

dscoular:

The Nova-T is the old school tda1004x

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stuarta:

if I can get my cx88 based card to record the HD test streams I'll be happy...

[08:48:24]

Dibblah:

Okay. Don't do Twinhan, then :)

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Juski:

whether or not mine will work with the HD stuff is something else, but I'm already kind of planning alternatives

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dscoular:

:)

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asd27:

dscoular i don't think i can get program information thing working..

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dscoular:

asd27, what country ?

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asd27:

i was about to buy a twinhan

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dscoular:

do you mean guide or OSD ?

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asd27:

i seen this one and it was cheap by 2 dollars..lol

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Dibblah:

Yes, they're nice and cheap.

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asd27:

dscoular guide

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dscoular:

Ah... what country, Oz ?

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asd27:

$83 dollars for this one

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Dibblah:

They suck boulders through very, very small straws, though.

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** dscoular is sorry he cannot remember **

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asd27:

australia here

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asd27:

but i think the twin han has usb remote

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dscoular:

Ah... then you downloaded the http://immir.com/tv_grab_au

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Juski:

the problem with recommending makes/models of cards is that the manufacturer's insist on changing them all the time

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dscoular:

Xactly

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dscoular:

asd27, it works very, very well

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johnp_:

stuarta, what debug would you like to diagnose a scanning problem :( ?

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dscoular:

Juski, yeah you really need to see the output of lspci before you buy :)

[08:51:29]

Juski:

stuarta: can the cx88 card you've have problems with the HD streams grab a whole mux at the same time?

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stuarta:

johnp_: firstly what's the problem

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asd27:

dscoular where do i put that file?

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stuarta:

Juski: no idea, haven't tried it.

[08:52:18]

dscoular:

asd27, backup the one in /usr/bin, throw it in there and make it executable

[08:52:30]

dscoular:

asd27, via chmod a+x /usr/bin/tv_grab_au

[08:52:40]

dscoular:

re-run mythtv-setup

[08:52:45]

johnp_:

it doesn't work :) but mainly all the frequencies are rubbish, I multiple sets of frequencies some look about right, but don't have the correct channels associated with them, others are wildly out.

[08:52:58]

dscoular:

asd27, associate the new xmltvid's with your scanned channels

[08:53:08]

dscoular:

asd27, oh! and have fun!

[08:53:19]

asd27:

i'm seriously having crackling issues..must be the antenna

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stuarta:

johnp: I need dtv_mulitplex table & the output of dvbsnoop -n 1 -nph 0x10

[08:53:22]

Juski:

every card might end up being okay – the HD trial might not even be what the final scheme is – still early days yet

[08:53:27]

johnp_:

(of course my channels are associated with the clamped frequencies.)

[08:53:30]

dscoular:

asd27, sounds like

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johnp_:

k no problem I'll do it tonight.

[08:54:20]

stuarta:

johnp_: may as well keep the output of mythtv-setup --verbose siparser,record,channel as well

[08:54:37]

johnp_:

stuarta, right.

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asd27:

won't let me rename the file

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** Juski works for a company who use BT IP services ;-) **

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stuarta:

poor juski

[09:06:54]

Juski:

good job our websites aren't hosted here I think

[09:08:20]

Merlin83b2:

I could suggest an excellent place to host them ;-)

[09:09:00]

Juski:

I don'

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Juski:

I don't have any say in that

[09:10:10]

Merlin83b2:

Fair enough :-)

[09:10:15]

asd27:

dudes how do save my films to mpg4?

[09:10:35]

asd27:

is best to right to mpg2, then convert to mpg4 later?

[09:10:35]

RaYmAn-Bx:

asd27: transcode.

[09:10:54]

RaYmAn-Bx:

depends on your hw

[09:11:00]

asd27:

because i only have 50GB

[09:11:37]

RaYmAn-Bx:

buy more hds? :> I used up like 100gb in the first few days after setting up my mythbox

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asd27:

I'm saving up for a house

[09:12:39]

asd27:

:P

[09:12:53]

RaYmAn-Bx:

I doubt a 300gb hd is going to tip your budget :P

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asd27:

channel ten is not coming up..ahh

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asd27:

i mean really does it encode mpg4 in real time?

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asd27:

i'm guessing instant conversion after its copied to the HD is the most fesiblie way of doing it

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asd27:

one thingi forgot for my remote the record button

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asd27:

my volume is not working anymore

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[09:36:31]

Juski_lab:

oh dear. I've just finished all of today's work

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Merlin83b:

Heh, nice one.

[09:41:11]

asd27:

whats the record button on the keyboard

[09:41:19]

Juski_lab:

r

[09:41:36]

Juski_lab:

funny that, r standing for 'record'

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asd27:

what stop

[09:42:20]

Juski_lab:

stop recording?

[09:42:22]

Juski_lab:

r

[09:42:30]

Merlin83b:

Heh

[09:42:31]

Juski_lab:

the 'r' key toggles recording

[09:42:54]

Juski_lab:

asd27: did you even look at the link I posted?

[09:43:08]

Juski_lab:

you know.. 'keyboard commands' in the mythtv _documentation_

[09:43:37]

asd27:

Juski kinda of

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Juski_lab:

Merlin83b: do you reckon I'll need to get the demo boxen & stuff PAT tested for the show?

[09:45:42]

** Juski_lab readies the tar & feathers. someone from microsoft is gonna be speaking there **

[09:45:57]

Merlin83b:

Juski: Good point, you may well have to, or they may have someone there to do it on anything brought along?

[09:46:26]

Juski_lab:

I'll have to check with them

[09:46:40]

Juski_lab:

I know how arsey venues can be

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asd27:

i read it can't find R..strange

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asd27:

R starts and stops

[10:03:46]

** Juski greases up the trout **

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Juski:

ugh that sounded rude

[10:04:10]

Merlin83b:

Heh.

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asd27:

thing i don't like it records randomly, when i check my recording there are heap of recording i didn't record

[10:06:42]

stuarta:

asd27: don't use mythweb by any chance?

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asd27:

stuarta i have once

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Juski:

mythtv doesn't record anything randomly. it records everything you watch.

[10:08:46]

asd27:

Juski i guess thats what it does

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[10:09:27]

stuarta:

are you still running mythweb on a server reachable from the outside world?

[10:11:09]

asd27:

on this computer

[10:11:16]

** Juski cues up lots of recordings of crap on asd27's mythweb... muhahahahaha **

[10:11:22]

Juski:

(joke)

[10:11:23]

asd27:

now my volume is not working

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asd27:

oh dam i've re ranged this room, now i have to do it again

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asd27:

later dudes

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Juski:

awww looks like all you Big Brovva fans won't get to see the fruitcase kill himself live on air now

[11:16:57]

stuarta:

'the fruitcase', that's about 16 people to pick from...

[11:17:36]

Juski:

the 40 year old Scottish immature gay guy

[11:17:45]

stuarta:

ahhh

[11:19:04]

Juski:

if he'd have gone though with it, it'd be the best thing he could have done in the name of taste & decency. Assuming that BB would be axed afterwards..

[11:21:02]

stuarta:

oh dear, the former ntl broadcast division will be building a new dvb-t network for the bbc

[11:21:46]

Juski:

just read that. is that bad? I thought they did a good job

[11:22:40]

stuarta:

i though most people though they were crap. I have no personal experience tho

[11:22:41]

Juski:

yikes.. freeview are launching their own pvr!

[11:23:13]

Juski:

ntl broadcast have been running a lot of the UK's masts since the IBA were disbanded – so at least they have a good track record

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stuarta:

fair enuf. I retract my earlier innuendo...

[11:24:10]

Juski:

been with NTL for years now, and I find them to be 'okay'. better service than BT. And hell would have to freeze before I pay $ky a penny

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makomk:

NTL are OK-ish as long as nothing goes wrong, and as long as you never move house...

[11:29:56]

onetwo:

anyone know how to get into the interactive menus on dvb-t UK. I can go to channel 105 and press "red" and it will go into it. But on bbc 1 (1) it doesn't.

[11:30:04]

Juski:

I waited for 3 weeks to have a BT line connected when I first moved down here

[11:31:05]

Juski:

onetwo: you're obviously running svn. I can't remember how to 'press red' in mythtv. I think it's one of the function keys

[11:31:29]

VlivE:

anyone help with channel scan problems?

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stuarta:

VlivE: what do you want to know

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onetwo:

I can press red ok. In that if I'm on BBCi and press it, it goes in and shows me "bbc1 picture" but if I go on bbc1 and press it I get nowhere.

[11:35:36]

Juski:

red? what key have you liked the red button on your remote to?

[11:35:41]

asd26:

I'm in need of a s-video to compoment

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Juski:

s/liked/linked

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VlivE:

well for some reason I can't pick up any channels

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asd26:

myth is connected to my 51cm tv

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Juski:

asd26: you can't get svideo to component

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stuarta:

version? dvb?

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asd26:

Juski ..not good

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VlivE:

tuned to: 119,110,91,82

[11:36:37]

Juski:

jees – will everyone speak english and stop posting metaquestions

[11:36:38]

Juski:

?

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asd26:

Juski i can run it through my DVD recorder, input s-video and output to compoment

[11:37:05]

asd26:

but thats another thing on

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Juski:

asd26: ouch. that must look awful

[11:37:38]

VlivE:

sory

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Juski:

asd26: you'd be better off getting component out of your vga card... vga-component would look much better

[11:37:52]

stuarta:

what sort of a frequency is that? must be satellite...?

[11:37:54]

VlivE:

version-svn-9947 dvb-genpix-usb

[11:38:12]

stuarta:

location?

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VlivE:

NA

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asd26:

Juski my geforce 6600GT has it, but thats for my computer

[11:39:19]

stuarta:

okay, is this a cable setup?

[11:39:25]

Juski:

ahh a computer.. as opposed to that you run mythtv on, asd26

[11:39:27]

VlivE:

no dvb-s

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stuarta:

not dishnet is it?

[11:40:21]

asd26:

Juski this one for games..

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VlivE:

freq: 122224000 20000000 right circular

[11:40:31]

asd26:

mabe i should get a new tv..lol

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stuarta:

VlivE: is this on dishnet?

[11:40:47]

VlivE:

yes

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** stuarta makes rude gestures towards dishnet... **

[11:41:26]

Juski:

VlivE: naughty boy

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stuarta:

does s-zap tune to any channels?

[11:41:51]

stuarta:

szap even

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VlivE:

yes but not all

[11:42:00]

VlivE:

thats the problem

[11:42:18]

stuarta:

hmmm....

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Juski:

erm... aren't some channels _encrypted_ though

[11:42:27]

VlivE:

the above freqs

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VlivE:

according to langsat is on all sats

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stuarta:

Juski: you can still tune to encryted channels, there just isn't any watchable data :)

[11:42:49]

VlivE:

that I am tuning to

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Juski:

stuarta: ah

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** stuarta contemplates lunch **

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VlivE:

?

[11:45:03]

stuarta:

you need to work out what is going on with szap.

[11:45:19]

VlivE:

well question

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Juski:

get the latest szap too & try that

[11:45:20]

stuarta:

once you can get tuning with szap, then we can work on the myth part

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** dscoular returns from pub **

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VlivE:

is there a way to convert a vdr channels.conf to myth format

[11:45:47]

** stuarta demands a beer from dscoular **

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dscoular:

VlivE, import it with 0.19-fixes

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asd26:

whats up with i586 and i686?

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Juski:

just scan & get a non-vdr format channels.conf

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** dscoular feels the love **

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stuarta:

dscoular: channel.conf import has been removed.

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Juski:

asd26: man linux

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VlivE:

.19-fixes ?

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** dscoular owes stuarta a beer, let mythlogbot record it! **

[11:46:48]

VlivE:

I'm using svn-9947 .19 patches don't work

[11:47:06]

** stuarta does math i686 – i586 = 100! **

[11:47:28]

dscoular:

hmm... I import then I manually edit via sql the tables... it's a pain but it works

[11:47:31]

Juski:

stuarta: use scientific notation.. i =<> j ;-)

[11:47:47]

VlivE:

what about dvbsnoop

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stuarta:

isn't i-i = 0?

[11:47:58]

VlivE:

would that work to scan?

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** dscoular thinks 100 beers may be consider slightly excessive **

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stuarta:

VlivE: alternatively you can use the frequencies listed in channels.conf and do a tuned scan

[11:48:40]

asd26:

i mean i have i686 cpu an knoppmyth tends ask u..what u want..i'm thinking i should do it, to make it faster

[11:48:46]

onetwo:

red is D on mine which equates to menured on the itv menu.

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dscoular:

transport based scans see, to work well (down under)

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** stuarta points out asd26 was asking about i586 & i686 **

[11:49:23]

** dscoular wonders why asd26 doesn't simply "suck it and see" **

[11:49:48]

asd26:

it was script that came up, i have no idea how to get it back up

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stuarta:

dscoular: they are good in oz, but lack some functionality in other countries.

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dscoular:

s/see/seem

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asd26:

dvd player is working!

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asd26:

going to take a me week to create remote config for this thing

[11:59:45]

asd26:

aspect raitos are not saving

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LLyric:

dscoular: that patch seems to work for me, updating issue now

[12:03:10]

dscoular:

Hey LLyric, cool... I think Isaac said he was gonna try and take a look at it when he had a chance. Glad it works for you!

[12:03:53]

LLyric:

If he knows the code, it looks like an "obvious" off-by-one to me

[12:04:36]

asd26:

knopp myths menu's are a little bigger then my tv ahh

[12:04:49]

dscoular:

Yeah, but my I'm not sure why it doesn't occur for five channels.

[12:05:07]

dscoular:

Is it just the layout engine has more space to hide the problem ?

[12:05:26]

LLyric:

It would happen for five, if you had five channels configured AND the guide configured to display 5.

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LLyric:

I think

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dscoular:

LLyric, I did have that before I discovered ABC 2... but no layout problem

[12:06:46]

dscoular:

So I'm still not 100% clear on the codes meaning.

[12:06:57]

dscoular:

Hopefully Isaac will get it

[12:07:03]

** LLyric nods **

[12:07:21]

dscoular:

My brain is not firing on all cylinders at the best of times (even with a following wind)

[12:08:01]

dscoular:

Still it's great that someone is looking at the ticket

[12:08:25]

LLyric:

Yup

[12:08:42]

LLyric:

Thanks for your help. Did you ever notice the problem yourself, or do you have more channels?

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dscoular:

I had 5, then I added ABC 2 and set it to 6 and noticed the problem... but just thought I was expecting too much from the layout manager.

[12:10:25]

asd26:

You will still need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to change the refresh rate or you can destroy your TV.??

[12:10:50]

** dscoular wonders who asd26 is talking to **

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LLyric:

dscoular: probably never noticed before, because "what do you mean you can only get SIX channels?"

[12:11:07]

asd26:

i just read that not sure if it's true

[12:11:26]

LLyric:

Yeah, you could definately damage your tv with bad modes

[12:12:02]

dscoular:

or you could throw it out the hotel window while trying to impress the groupies and your possie

[12:12:14]

LLyric:

gangsta!

[12:12:45]

** dscoular loves slomofo (and wonders if anyone gets the ancient reference) **

[12:13:50]

dscoular:

explanation: jive used to translate any reference to UNIX(tm) into: that slo mo' fo'

[12:14:19]

Zider:

sounds like slowaris

[12:14:33]

dscoular:

isn't that slow arses

[12:14:53]

Juski:

breaking a TV with a bad modeline? bah! very unlikely

[12:15:11]

Zider:

it's possible.. but very unlikely yes..

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dscoular:

Juski, simply throw it out the hotel room window!

[12:15:30]

Zider:

altho tv's doesn't have the same protection that monitors have

[12:15:42]

LLyric:

In particular, giving it a lot quicker vertical scan rate than it's capable

[12:16:02]

VlivE:

stuarta> VlivE: alternatively you can use the frequencies listed in channels.conf and do a tuned scan

[12:16:22]

VlivE:

the freq'a are listeda as V and H

[12:16:43]

VlivE:

my scan is right circular would that be the problem?

[12:17:37]

daxxar:

o/

[12:17:45]

daxxar:

I've got my MiniITX and all! And it boots! ;D

[12:17:57]

Zider:

nice :D

[12:18:29]

daxxar:

Time to MiniMyth it. ;D

[12:18:35]

Zider:

hehe

[12:19:07]

Juski:

minimyth is niiice

[12:19:30]

Juski:

I don't like how they keep changing the config scheme every release though – that sucks

[12:20:12]

Juski:

I didn't upgrade for like 6 releases, then had some catching up to do with my config file

[12:20:57]

daxxar:

:-|

[12:21:19]

daxxar:

So, basically, I need to config my dhcp to point it to the tftp-server, then set up a tftp-server for it to download the bootloader from?

[12:21:32]

Juski:

that is only a _tiny_ complaint though – it totally rocks (how fscking cheesy does that sound?)

[12:21:44]

Juski:

daxxar: that's about it yeah

[12:22:10]

Juski:

that bit I found very easy. it's the minimyth.conf file I found confusing

[12:22:10]

daxxar:

The build system assumes that you have at least 7 GBs of free disk space.

[12:22:12]

daxxar:

o.0

[12:22:24]

Juski:

so don't build it yourself

[12:22:36]

Juski:

;-)

[12:22:44]

daxxar:

I just found that to be a bit much.

[12:22:55]

daxxar:

Anyways, if I use the binaries, what's what?

[12:23:07]

Juski:

what do you mean?

[12:23:18]

daxxar:

I need a PXE-loader, right? Does it rely on using a 3rd-party one?

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daxxar:

Ah. PXELinux, right?

[12:23:34]

Juski:

I used pxegrub

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daxxar:

Mkay.

[12:23:51]

dscoular:

hpa rocks!

[12:23:58]

Juski:

there's a howto linked from the www.linpvr.org/forum

[12:24:17]

dscoular:

http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php

[12:24:32]

Juski:

dscoular: hpa wears a grotty black t-shirt and has long greasy hair? ;-)

[12:24:44]

dscoular:

Juski, your point is ?

[12:25:25]

Juski:

ahh yes that's the one I used..

[12:25:31]

Juski:

not grub

[12:25:42]

Juski:

it's been a loooong time since I configg'd it

[12:25:57]

dscoular:

grub doesn't seem to support undi

[12:26:14]

asd26:

having trouble playing the video recorderd on the PVR on my windows PC

[12:26:37]

dscoular:

asd26, vlc is your friend

[12:26:43]

Zider:

what's a normal price for a PVR-150 MCE?

[12:26:49]

dscoular:

asd26, videolan.org

[12:26:53]

Juski:

Zider: where?

[12:27:33]

** Juski bought his for £38.78 ish last xmas **

[12:27:58]

Zider:

so $115 is expensive? :P

[12:28:08]

Juski:

depends what you get with it

[12:28:27]

Juski:

if you just get the card itself yeah that's expensive

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stuarta:

VlivE: could well be the problem

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** dscoular is too embarrassed to admit how much he got ripped off for his 2 year old PVR-350 **

[12:28:56]

LLyric:

dscoular: they were really expensive back then

[12:29:00]

LLyric:

I think I paid $300?

[12:29:14]

** dscoular wonders if we were seperated at birth **

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Zider:

Juski: just the card yes.. with radio tuner.. :P

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** LLyric grins **

[12:29:46]

Juski:

dscoular: console yourself with the fact that $ky TV is charging £300 for a HD receiver and £10 a month on top of regular charges for as many as 8 HD channels. Wooo

[12:30:07]

Juski:

$115 for just the card? eep

[12:30:22]

dscoular:

are we all talking $AUD ?

[12:30:27]

Zider:

USD

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asd26:

i don't myth plays encrpted DVD's

[12:30:32]

dscoular:

eek!

[12:30:54]

Juski:

asd26: no way round it. you need to install MCE

[12:30:56]

dscoular:

asd26, it does if you have a css library

[12:30:57]

Juski:

:-P

[12:31:20]

dscoular:

Juski, are we talking about some other non-css encrption ?

[12:31:58]

asd26:

i need a power supply that makes no noise..ahh

[12:32:12]

** dscoular thinks solar power **

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LLyric:

dscoular: I was talking NZD, and it was a rough guess.

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dscoular:

asd26, http://freshmeat.net/redir/libdvdcss/16066/ur . . . ge/libdvdcss

[12:34:52]

LLyric:

asd26: if it's a lower-power PC, you can power EPIA etc with some laptop-style powerpacks

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dscoular:

dscoular, loves Mt. Ruapehu!

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** LLyric was a south-island guy, Christchurch **

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** dscoular has never been to the south island... loves Tane Mahuta too! **

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asd26:

audio ahh no audio

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LLyric:

That's in the North Island, dude :0

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dscoular:

LLyric, as I said I've never made it south of Mt. Ruapehu.

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dscoular:

asd26, what's up with your audio ?

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daxxar:

Bah. This PXE-booting isn't working. :|

[12:56:47]

daxxar:

TFTP.....

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daxxar:

PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout

[12:58:08]

dscoular:

daxxar, stick at it. Once you get it working it's fantastic.

[12:58:13]

laga:

yep.

[12:58:16]

laga:

t3h r0xx!

[12:58:18]

laga:

:)

[12:58:27]

daxxar:

Bah.

[12:58:34]

daxxar:

in.tftpd[30844]: cannot set groups for user nobody

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dscoular:

daxxar, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/02/msg01768.html

[13:01:49]

daxxar:

Yes, I found the exact same thread while googling it. :-)

[13:01:50]

daxxar:

Thanks

[13:02:22]

dscoular:

anytime

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asd26:

i have no idea how to play movies with this player

[13:03:20]

dscoular:

asd26, which player are you talking about ?

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Juski:

weird, seeing a message that you joined a channel you thought you were already in

[13:05:18]

Juski:

afternoon laga :-) seen the thread about the new theme?

[13:05:21]

dscoular:

Maybe your client is reconnecting automagically

[13:05:22]

asd26:

dscoular that player can't them, i downloaded the movie to my hardrive

[13:05:34]

daxxar:

Bah. It's a debian bug, actually, dscoular.

[13:05:43]

dscoular:

asd26, what player are you talking about ?

[13:05:46]

daxxar:

Eh, tftp-hpa in inetd-bug. ;-)

[13:05:51]

Juski:

asd26: you still havem't said _which_ player

[13:05:51]

daxxar:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=245017

[13:05:56]

asd26:

VLC media

[13:06:04]

daxxar:

It tries to set the gid when it's already set to a non-priviledged user.

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Juski:

asd26: what capture card do you have?

[13:06:27]

daxxar:

Because inetd sets the euid/egid

[13:06:36]

dscoular:

daxxar, their must be a workaround... life without PXE would impact some huge installations

[13:06:40]

asd26:

DTV card

[13:06:53]

daxxar:

dscoular, there are other tftps. Running it standalone instead of inetd works.

[13:07:06]

daxxar:

Perhaps even setting the tftp to run as root from inetd would work

[13:07:12]

daxxar:

So that the tftp changes permissions itself.

[13:07:13]

dscoular:

dvb-t should give you mpeg-2 (in most cases)... which vlc should have no problem playing.

[13:07:30]

Juski:

asd26: are you trying to play transcoded recordings?

[13:07:38]

Juski:

if so, try googling for dsmyth

[13:08:08]

Juski:

if the extension of the files is .nuv you need dsmyth

[13:08:13]

dscoular:

Juski, should vlc even play transcoded recordings... it seems to support so many codecs which are compiled in.

[13:08:19]

asd26:

it's mpg

[13:08:40]

daxxar:

Yes, running it from inetd as root makes the tftpd-hpa change its own uid/gid, and it works.

[13:09:02]

dscoular:

asd26, what error does vlc give ?

[13:09:12]

Juski:

I've had dvb recordinds vlc couldn't play properly, which windows media player (and mpeg2 codecs courtesy of powerdvd) could

[13:09:59]

dscoular:

damn... and there was me thinking there was almost nothing vlc couldn't play

[13:10:23]

Juski:

vlc often hangs my machine here at work

[13:10:36]

asd26:

dscoular doesn't play audio, and it fly through it

[13:10:40]

dscoular:

I always bundle vlc on dvd's of transcoded dvb-t revording for mates who are windows-challenged

[13:10:46]

daxxar:

I need to figure out how to connect the front-side audio. *digs out the VIA manual*

[13:10:59]

dscoular:

asd26, is this the most recent vlc ?

[13:11:04]

asd26:

yeah

[13:11:19]

** Juski pities daxxar. the epia's analogue audio is pretty sucky **

[13:11:20]

dscoular:

bugger

[13:11:27]

daxxar:

:-(

[13:11:48]

Juski:

it _works_ but not what I'd call hi-fi ;)

[13:12:11]

dscoular:

asd26, if you get info on the stream what does vlc say ?

[13:12:26]

Juski:

good enough for moderate listening volume though – just don't crank it up too much ;)

[13:13:25]

asd26:

quicktime always wants to try and play them via a stream

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** daxxar just connected the HDD LED on a diskless system. **

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daxxar:

:P

[13:13:55]

dscoular:

asd26, how about getting info on the stream ?

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Merlin83b:

stuarta: I still get compile errors :-)

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asd26:

3 codecs

[13:14:30]

stuarta:

typical

[13:14:37]

dscoular:

and they would be ?

[13:14:40]

asd26:

mpg

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daxxar:

Hm. Any of you able to show me your PXELinux config-sections for the kernel?

[13:14:49]

daxxar:

(MiniMyth)

[13:14:53]

asd26:

v a telx

[13:14:55]

DrNickRiviera:

want to get a dvb-t card, anyone got any recommendations, or products they've had bad experiences with?

[13:15:16]

dscoular:

asd26, Is that 1) mpg, 2) mpg 3) mpg ;)

[13:15:20]

Merlin83b:

DrNickRiviera: Avoid AverMedia DVB-T cards.

[13:15:37]

asd26:

mpgv mpga telx

[13:15:49]

Merlin83b:

Hauppauge WinTV Nova-Ts work, but I think they might be causing the slow tuning I'm experiencing at the moment.

[13:16:32]

dscoular:

asd26, vlc should definitely play that can you put a copy up somewhere and I'll see if I can play it ?

[13:17:05]

DrNickRiviera:

i've heard that the reception for external cards is better then with pci, that true?

[13:17:23]

DrNickRiviera:

i would really prefer to have a pci card, but if it really makes a big difference i might reconsider

[13:17:29]

dscoular:

Merlin83b, I have a AverMedia DVB-T USB-2.0 and it's not too bad... not as sensitive as my aging Nova-T tda1004x based card but I wouldn't say to avoid it

[13:18:34]

asd26:

live tv recordings work fine

[13:19:15]

Merlin83b:

dscoular: The AverMedia I had won't pick up a signal, where both my Nova-Ts and my old STB will fine.

[13:19:23]

daxxar:

IT'S ALIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE.

[13:19:26]

Merlin83b:

It's a PCI card, model 771

[13:19:31]

daxxar:

Now I just need a network cable, and a mythtv.conf. ;-D

[13:20:43]

dscoular:

Merlin83b, ah... I guess I'm comparing apples and oranges... sorry... I Ass_U_Med it was the USB-2.0 box, apologies

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DrNickRiviera:

suppose the obvious choice is one of the hauppauge cards

[13:23:50]

DrNickRiviera:

anyone ever used a terratec one?

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K|NgGh0sT:

I'm getting "Error was encountered while displaying video" but I cannot find any logs that will help me find the reason

[13:26:00]

asd26:

aspect raitos are not working correctly

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asd26:

they don't seem to save

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dscoular:

K|NgGh0sT, is this randomly while watching livetv ?

[13:30:00]

K|NgGh0sT:

dscoular, I found the log, but no, I cant even get one channel

[13:30:34]

dscoular:

you can change the verbosity with which the log gets written

[13:30:58]

dscoular:

mythbackend -v help

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K|NgGh0sT:

oh I got a log not

[13:31:27]

K|NgGh0sT:

now

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dscoular:

huh

[13:31:56]

K|NgGh0sT:

I was using that the whole time it just wasnt making a log

[13:31:58]

K|NgGh0sT:

now it is

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asd26:

i think i found it aspect override

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dscoular:

-v help tells you the available choices for logging

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K|NgGh0sT:

I'm getting "QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range" in logs

[13:35:33]

Juski:

Merlin83b: I get mega-slow tuning in livetv too

[13:35:49]

Juski:

by 'mega-slow' I mean like >8 seconds

[13:37:06]

Merlin83b:

Mine's more like 25, iirc. I've basically given up using it for livetv for the time being.

[13:37:19]

Merlin83b:

Do you take about 8 secs to start up livetv, too?

[13:37:38]

Juski:

sometimes longer. can't seem to pin it down to anything

[13:38:29]

Merlin83b:

I haven't investigated. I know Chutt did something a while ago to shave a couple of seconds off but I think it's the whole lock reporting thing, which I gather is a Nova-T driver issue.

[13:39:27]

dscoular:

I raised the original ticket for problems with tuning with danielk

[13:39:27]

Juski:

trying svn has made me rethink the whole anti-livetv of mine actually. there's some good stuff on BBCi

[13:39:33]

Merlin83b:

It was a lot better a long time ago – pre .19 by some way.

[13:39:44]

dscoular:

0.18.1 was peachy

[13:40:11]

stuarta:

be okay around wimbledon time, watch paint dry on lots of courts....

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Juski:

lol

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dscoular:

I convinced him that mimickery of tzap via use of usleep was important. It fixed my tuning issues (which weren't limited to my aging nova-t tda1004x).

[13:40:49]

Juski:

and in HD you'll be able to see every single sweaty pore. nice

[13:41:25]

stuarta:

may improve womens tennis :-/

[13:41:30]

dscoular:

Now the code has evolved beyond my ability to understand it... but I find 0.19-fixes svn tunes in about 2 – 10 seconds

[13:41:36]

Juski:

dscoular: I thought the usleep was dumped & he did it another way

[13:41:53]

Merlin83b:

If I can get this one to build (stuarta, help!) then I'll run some tests.

[13:41:58]

Juski:

10 seconds to tune is still ridiculous though

[13:42:16]

Merlin83b:

It is. 2–3 seconds would be acceptable, imho.

[13:42:28]

dscoular:

Juski, I'm not unhappy about tuning times... it was more that I was getting no lock at all.

[13:42:41]

Juski:

aye – shouldn't take very much more than a pvr card in terms of time

[13:42:48]

dscoular:

The code has obviously evolved beyond using usleep

[13:42:51]

Juski:

tzap takes all of about a second to lock

[13:42:52]

Merlin83b:

Or a STB

[13:42:53]

stuarta:

some profiling is definitely in order..

[13:43:05]

dscoular:

tzap doesn't have to manage buffers

[13:43:36]

dscoular:

The good news is the linuxtv guys are implementing a user space library to handle tuning across all apps

[13:43:57]

stuarta:

after they agree on the new dvb api....

[13:44:14]

Juski:

dscoular: when I got my pvr150 I compared timings... so the bufferring thing is a non-argument IMHO

[13:44:14]

dscoular:

stuarta, yes,

[13:44:33]

Juski:

send in the UN ;-)

[13:44:44]

** stuarta wonders if they will ever finish the API **

[13:45:06]

** dscoular gives em the benifit of the doubt **

[13:45:22]

Juski:

if they don't, someone will

[13:45:42]

dscoular:

my PVR-350 took ~3 seconds to tune... but I take your point on the 150 which shows the buffers aren't the issue after all

[13:46:15]

dscoular:

I reckon all the new parsing EIT and stuff is a bottleneck

[13:46:36]

** dscoular pulls these facts from where the sun don't shine **

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stuarta:

an api by #mythtv-users: 1) tune! 2) to what? 3) something good 4) return error

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** stuarta disagrees with dscoular about the EIT **

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Merlin83b:

v2: 1) tune! 2) to what? 3) This channel 4) done

[13:47:09]

** dscoular I think the linuxtv guys are good, but prickly **

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** dscoular points to where he pulled the facts from **

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** stuarta sends in the builders to patch up that source **

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dscoular:

:)

[13:48:09]

Hoxzer:

Hmmm

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dscoular:

ok, stuarta, where is the delay coming from ?

[13:49:07]

stuarta:

in tuning? NFI. but profiling will start soon....

[13:49:17]

dscoular:

true

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Merlin83b:

As in you're about to profile it, stuarta?

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: scanning is nearly done, fozi's chasing the eit bits, so time for some profiling :)

[13:51:21]

Merlin83b:

Cool.

[13:51:27]

Merlin83b:

Want to see why mine won't build, first ;-)

[13:51:41]

stuarta:

need to workout why the frontend uses obscene amounts of memory sometimes....

[13:51:44]

K|NgGh0sT:

can someone help me with display issues? I cant find these in google... http://pastebin.ca/58362

[13:51:50]

Merlin83b:

Today, we're in libmythui

[13:51:56]

stuarta:

Merlin83b: show me your error!

[13:52:11]

Merlin83b:

Just waiting for it to fail again...

[13:52:32]

** dscoular wishes everyone a very good night **

[13:52:41]

Merlin83b:

nn, dscoular.

[13:53:01]

** stuarta reads dscoular a story... **

[13:53:09]

Merlin83b:

stuarta: http://pastebin.com/732962

[13:53:12]

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dscoular:

;)

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Merlin83b:

You started it!

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Juski:

aww I was gonna start the T-mobile spinning :http://www.flickr.com/photos/tayne/136526605/

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stuarta:

:)

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** stuarta pokes pastebin..... **

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Merlin83b:

Yeah, timed out for me a moment ago. Oh well!

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stuarta:

repost it in pastebin.ca

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stuarta:

quavers are strangly addictive yet horrible at the same time.

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Merlin83b:

http://pastebin.ca/58365

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Merlin83b:

I nearly had Wotsits with lunch.

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stuarta:

connection close yourself pastebin!

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Juski:

yay I don't need to get me gear PAT tested. just aswell – we're all out of print-it-yourself certificates

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: I'd just keep adding #include <stdint.h>

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stuarta:

what gcc you running anyway?

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Merlin83b:

gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5–12)

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stuarta:

there was a comment last night that 3.3.6 needed stdint.h but 4.0.x didn't

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Merlin83b:

Dammit.

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stuarta:

gcc version 4.0.3 20051201 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2–5) :)

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Merlin83b:

I really should just start again :<

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Merlin83b:

If I put 4 on using apt, it's going to complain bigstyle, isn't it?

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stuarta:

it's a massive upgrade. Everything needs rebuilding, even libc

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Merlin83b:

Yeah, thought as much.

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Merlin83b:

Oh well, guess I'll just stick to adding stdint for the time being.

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stuarta:

the upgrade does go through quite well tho.

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Merlin83b:

Just take a moment to think about the system I'd be using to do the building...

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Juski:

heheh

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stuarta:

it's only myth that needs rebuilding, the rest you can download

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Juski:

mythtv 'only' takes 2 hours 15 mins to compile on my 800mhx box

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Merlin83b:

I need to reinstall the lot, really. Got a nice bigger hdd to use.

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scopeuk:

ok this isent exactly myth related but you seam lie kteh rigth sorta people to ask whould there be a significant erformance bost in going fro ma single ide drive to two raid 0 sata drives?

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Merlin83b:

Only the change from ide to sata, really.

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Juski:

gfjhfgfhgjkdsgfj?!

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Merlin83b:

Oh, raid 0?

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Merlin83b:

Sorry, read that as radi 1.

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scopeuk:

yes

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scopeuk:

yeh mirroring hwouldent help

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Merlin83b:

What's controlling the raid?

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Juski:

double you chance of failure – nice

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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scopeuk:

it whould be the on board controler on my mobo (n force 4)

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scopeuk:

Juski i know

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Merlin83b:

So hardware, good thing. Probably no performance hit.

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Juski:

when myth is just about making the ide bus tick over I don't see the point

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scopeuk:

liek i said jsuki that isent for my myth

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scopeuk:

im happy with the ide drive my myth is runnign off

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Juski:

oh – you mean for l337 haxx0r5 mega-fps geekpoint benchmarks? ;-)

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qu0zl:

performance boost for what then? whether it'd help would depend on the application. I found a big improvement in map load times by putting my games on a raid 0 array :)

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scopeuk:

yeh it whould be games adn video encoding

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scopeuk:

Juski my rig isent that good

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scopeuk:

im out of storage and i wanan do the upgrade properly

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Juski:

video encoding – in your systems the cpu, not the disk, is the bottleneck

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Juski:

(and mine)

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scopeuk:

yeh

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qu0zl:

for the games it'll just make a difference in level load times, i found it noticable in some games, but the rest of the time it makes no difference really

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scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

the plan is to double the system memory at the same time

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scopeuk:

and regulate old compnants to my myth box

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K|NgGh0sT:

can someone help me with display issues? I cant find these in google... http://pastebin.ca/58362

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VlivE:

"error was incounter when displaying video" what cause that?

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Juski:

encountering an error when displaying video

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VlivE:

ya

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VlivE:

for live tv

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VlivE:

worked on my monitor

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VlivE:

but not on my matrox-g550

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VlivE:

even though I have my desktop on my tv?

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VlivE:

I see the osd but no picture

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VlivE:

then in a few seconds I get the above error screen

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Juski:

ah.. no xv on your tv output?

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VlivE:

hum

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VlivE:

dvi to hdmi on tv

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VlivE:

is how I have it hooked up

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VlivE:

but desktop is perfect

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VlivE:

don't they intertwin?

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VlivE:

what should I do?

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Vme:

if you are running MythTV with a dvb Nexus-s card does your computer have to have a video out or will the outputs on the card send it to the tv?

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VlivE:

no not an nexus s

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Vme:

awesome :)

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VlivE:

a usb-dvb device

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VlivE:

oh

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Vme:

so i should being seeing my MythTV on my tv.?

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VlivE:

no

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VlivE:

sorry

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Vme:

lol

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Vme:

ok

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Vme:

np

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VlivE:

yes you do have to have a video card

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Juski:

Vme: mythtv will not use the nexus' video output. for that you want VDR

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VlivE:

with a nexus s

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Vme:

i have VDR

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VlivE:

Juski what should I do?

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Vme:

i like the "features"

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Vme:

but i want somethign a little more graphical

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Juski:

VlivE: google for help with matrox dualhead in linux ;)

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Vme:

just not crazy about the interface of VDR

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Juski:

Vme: so get a graphics card

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Vme:

yea

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Vme:

any suggestions?

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VlivE:

so you think the video is going to the other side of the matrox cable?

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Juski:

nvidia fx5200 or so would do it

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Vme:

is that AGP?

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Juski:

VlivE: what? your problem is likely your xorg.conf file

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Juski:

Vme: you can get PCI & AGP versions of that card. AGP is cheapest

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Vme:

i dont' have a AGP slot

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Vme:

so that is good

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Juski:

Vme: you could also use a PVR350 card but you would be better off with the nvidia I think

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Vme:

so an optimal setup would be a nexus-s DVB for satellite and a nvidia for outputting to the tV?

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Juski:

Vme: or any other DVB-S card that has linux drivers

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Vme:

ok, but the two card scenerio is a good solution?

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Juski:

not only good but your only chance

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Vme:

really?

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Juski:

unless you want to run the backend headless and have a seperate frontend

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Juski:

even then you still need a vga card so you can set it all up

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Vme:

i really only want to run one box

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Juski:

that's the price you pay for the nice interface

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Juski:

and all the other features ;-)

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Vme:

yea

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Vme:

those are important

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Vme:

so, what about MythTV compared to Windows Media Center?

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Juski:

lol

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Vme:

besides the obvious

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Juski:

there is NO comparison

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Juski:

MCE looks nicer, and that is it IMHO

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Vme:

but the customization of MythTV is hands down?

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Juski:

everything else beats it hands down

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Juski:

not having DRM

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Juski:

being able to have unlimited tuners, analogue _and_ digital in the same machine

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Juski:

being able to have lots of clients & servers...

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Juski:

being able to schedule over the web...

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Juski:

should I stop yet?

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Juski:

I think so

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Vme:

okay, i have a dell demension 2.53 GHz celeron D with 256 MB RAM, (i know the RAM is low) with a Nexus-s card. If I purchase the nvidia Card, does that sound like a decent setup for a media center with MythTV or should I look at some other hardware?

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Juski:

oh and mythtv does not need to be rebooted every day

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Muppski:

I'm having problems setting up mythv, I ran the mc.sql to insert the databases , then when I run setup im getting a bunch of errors in the terminal about mythconverg.keybindings and mythvconverg.videosources not existing

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Juski:

Vme: easy

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Muppski:

mythfilldatabase gives the same error

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Vme:

sweet

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Juski:

Vme: I have a 800Mhz athlon box running dvb-t – it plays nice ;-)

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Juski:

anyway..

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Vme:

the nvidia card and the built in video card with the Dell, how big of an issue is that?

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VlivE:

Juski

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VlivE:

you still here?

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VlivE:

anyone know why I get "encountering an error when displaying video" on live tv, but I can play a dvd perfect?

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Wonko:

I have installed MythWeather but when I try to go to that page in the frontend I get 'MythWeather: Invalid area ID or server error.' in the log.

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xris:

VlivE: because they're completely different programs?

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xris:

Wonko: configure it

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GreyFoxx:

Any ubuntu lovers around ?

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Wonko:

xris: Yes, but how? I am thrown out of the weather page.

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xris:

Wonko: oh, then something else may be wrong... not sure — haven't used mythweather in ages.

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Wonko:

xris: OK

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VlivE:

hum

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VlivE:

ok xris simple question how to increase volume with keyboard?

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C4T3l:

i'm wanting to extend my mythtv installation by adding another capture card. will my defualt configs get messed up if trying to install another hauppage 250?? has anyone ever added another card after their initial install?

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xris:

VlivE: keys.txt (and keep in mind that mythvideo uses mplayer by default)

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VlivE:

ok

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VlivE:

so I can't get video with my matrox-g550

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VlivE:

I get osd

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VlivE:

then blankscreen then it errors out

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HeMan:

Hi! When I turn on Option "dri" on my Radeon-card it hangs when I try to start mythfrontend, any ideas?

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daxxar:

"Press F8 now." "F8 .. is that the button that says 'F8'?"

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daxxar:

God, one has to love this job.

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KaZeR:

uhuh

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Juski:

"press any key".. WTF is the ANY key? wahhhh!

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Juski:

:-O

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scopeuk:

Juski in the emortal words of black sabeth run for the hills

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VlivE:

Juski have you heard of anyone getting the matrox-g550 to work with myth and tvout?

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scopeuk:

in thre country

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ed3r:

Any suse 10.0 user?

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ed3r:

i wanna set up mysql to use mythtv, anybody can help me?

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Juski:

ed3r: try www.mythonsuse.org

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Juski:

right it's time to start unplugging shit to find out how much juice my house uses ;)

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mlehrer:

is avidemux2 a good utility to use to remove a couple of commercial breaks from an mpeg?

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mlehrer:

it seems to only want to let me set one start time and one end time

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Vme:

Juski: is there any issues with the nvidia fx5500 PCI card and mythTV?

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gutano:

I've been using an old WinTV card, and I'm wondering what kind of bennefits I could gain from switching up to a new card

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gutano:

hrrm... perhaps more specific, wintv-go

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Juski:

damn it.. my epia frontend takes 3W in standby – that's 10% of the max it uses anyway!

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gutano:

any recomendations for a tuner card?

[18:09:44]

hashbang:

gutano: if you were in Europe, some kind of DVB-T card.

[18:09:53]

hashbang:

gutano: but you're not, so...

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gutano:

hashbang: states =/ I hear we have bad digital support

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hashbang:

gutano: I think the firewire HDTV set-top boxes seem to be the best thing going over there

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Dibblah:

Juski: I can beat that.

[18:10:55]

Dibblah:

NForce2 motherboard, GF 5600, netbooted.

[18:11:00]

gutano:

hashbang: yeah, I haven't found any great rundowns on exactly what you can get out of it...

[18:11:13]

Dibblah:

Takes 120W normally. 125W in 'standby'. Gee. Thanks.

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gutano:

I think you can usually only get the un-encrypted ota channels

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Juski:

125W? in _standby_? fuck!

[18:14:44]

** hashbang had a different approach to reducing the power consumption of his myth box **

[18:14:45]

hashbang:

my old PIII firewall was on 18 hours of every day anyway, so I made my mythbox my firewall as well.

[18:14:53]

hashbang:

that way, effectively, it's only on for 6 hours a day.

[18:15:03]

Vme:

VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1)

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hashbang:

maybe less, given the PSU is probably more efficient.

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Vme:

do i need to include support in the kernel for framebuffer support?

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Dibblah:

I'm reading it using a UPS and a cheap wall-plug power meter. So that's full draw.

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Dibblah:

And that's a bleeding _sempron_. Sheesh.

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Juski:

mythbackend, always on... 122W !

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Dibblah:

I have testbox, backend, server, stb. All always on.

[18:20:06]

Juski:

per year, things left on standby that don't necessarily need to be.. costng me Â£200

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Dibblah:

Which I'd _love_ to fix.

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johnp1:

Juski, quick question are we meant to be using the eit branch or the trunk ?

[18:20:27]

Juski:

johnp1 no idea

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Dibblah:

£200 or ...?

[18:20:48]

Juski:

200 GBP

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johnp1:

juski, answers that then :P

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Dibblah:

Didn't realise you were a UKian :)

[18:21:21]

Juski:

Dibblah: how come?

[18:21:57]

Dibblah:

No mentions I'd noticed of DVB-t, etc...

[18:22:22]

Juski:

sheesh I'm going to have to get some power management going on. and I wondered why our lecky bill is so scary

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Juski:

shitty athlon

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Dibblah:

£200 a year isn't scary.

[18:23:15]

tewk:

I've got a PVR-500 and a nvidia 6600 running debian, I'm trying to get playback to a monitor working. Should I use XvMC or frame buffers? I compiled in support for direct frame buffers, but mythfrontend complains about not being able to open /dev/fb0?

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Dibblah:

£500 / year is scary.

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Dibblah:

XvMC or XV.

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Juski:

Â£200 a year in _standby_ though.. that is bad

[18:24:38]

Dibblah:

Personally, I wouldn't bother with DFB.

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Juski:

godknows how much that is in carbon too

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tewk:

If multiple ones are compiled in, how do I tell the fontend which to use? Or do I need to compile again removeing support for DFB?

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Dibblah:

I _think_ you need to recompile to remove framebuffer.

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tewk:

Cool will try, thanks

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Juski:

hmmm... I can save Â£60 a year just by unplugging totally uneccessary kit when it's not needed.

[18:27:38]

Dibblah:

Thought that looked a litle low. £876 / year.

[18:28:08]

Juski:

house might even be a little cooler in summer too :-P

[18:28:37]

Dibblah:

Indeed. Shame the motherboards I'm using don't do suspend-to-ram properly.

[18:28:39]

Juski:

that backend taking 122W though.. that's when it's not transcoding or commflagging

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Dibblah:

Yup. My sempron rises to 150W or so.

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Dibblah:

Underclocking the video card shaves off 10W or so.

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Juski:

how about if I remove it altogether?

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Dibblah:

That also works.

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scopeuk:

juski i make it closer to 100

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Dibblah:

You could buy a cheap ATI from ebay.

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Juski:

time to switch brand of HDD too

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scopeuk:

ram drive lol

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scopeuk:

it will use less pwoer

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Juski:

and get a better PSU

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scopeuk:

heh replace it with an embebed device?

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Juski:

measured the power factor... it's allegedly got PFC yet it's still 0.6

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scopeuk:

ouch

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scopeuk:

id liek to see how much my gear draws

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Juski:

Â£50 spent on a PSU might pay for itself in months

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scopeuk:

have to invest i na meter me thinks

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Juski:

Â£15 from maplins, scopeuk

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scopeuk:

interesting

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scopeuk:

+ the 4 quid it whould cost me to get there

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Dibblah:

Be careful you don't get a 5v AGP card if you're going down the cheap adapter route.

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scopeuk:

might be worth it

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

it only has a GF4

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Dibblah:

Don't go for a power meter. They don't work _at all_ on SMPSUs.

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scopeuk:

heh remove it

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Dibblah:

GF4s are hungry unless it's an MX.

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scopeuk:

im thinking one that goes between the plug socket and the gear

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Dibblah:

Yeah. I have one.

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Juski:

Dibblah: this is work's power meter – works really well and is about 5% accurate

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Dibblah:

Hence why I have to put a UPS in front of it to get a measurement :)

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Zider:

so it's 95% inaccurate? ;)

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Juski:

use it to estimate our units' power consumption

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Juski:

so we had it tested...

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Baylink:

If your UPS is a switchover mode, you will still be testing the PSU; if it's continuous, you'll be testing the charger in the UPS.

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Juski:

damn I forgot to measure the fridge

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Baylink:

Either way, you lose. :-)

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Baylink:

I don't know how the kill-a-watt's work on PC PSU...

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Zider:

kill a what..?

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Dibblah:

It's continuous. But it's not charging the battery.

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scopeuk:

heh

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Dibblah:

And I don't really care about the PFC.

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scopeuk:

juski make sure you test the fridge over aday or so so you include some mtoor on and some motor off

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Ryushin:

My friend just bought a PVR-150 card. It's only pulling in video in black and white. The sound has a bit of static in it. I'm thinking it's the tuner it's selecting. Or the firmware, but I think I have the firmware set correctly. Is anyone running a pvr-150 that has it working that could help me?

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scopeuk:

thats almost what it loosk likef you hook up pla/ntsc to wrong way

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scopeuk:

you sure thats set right?

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scopeuk:

pal*

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endless_us:

Hi guys. Which distro is best (more stable) for mythtv with nexus-s cards? Thank you

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Zider:

you're welcome

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scopeuk:

;-)

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Juski:

scopeuk: the fridge will be getting upgraded soon anyway

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Ryushin:

Well, I'm playing it out through vlc. It works fine on a PVR-350 card on another box.

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Zider:

:D

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Ryushin:

endless_us: Have you tried knoppmyth?

[18:38:52]

Ryushin:

endless_us: How man years of linux experience do you have?

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Dibblah:

LFS is always the best. Gentoo will do if you don't have enough time for that, though.

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Dibblah:

;)

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Zider:

gentoo is nice :>

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Ryushin:

I was thinking that if he has enough experience, he should look at gentoo or debian.

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Dibblah:

Gentoo is pretty much a waste of time.

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** Dibblah is, of course, a Gentoo user. **

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** Zider too **

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Juski:

Ryushin: the pvr150 problem you describe sounds like a wrong tuner detected, or the wrong video standard

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Dibblah:

Zider: How big's your compile cluster?

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Ryushin:

Well, I was thinking Debian would be a better choice. Unless he really wants to get into the deep control that gentoo provides.

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Zider:

Dibblah: huh?

[18:42:09]

Dibblah:

Yes.

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Dibblah:

Never mind.

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Ryushin:

Juski: Is there a list of NTSC tuner numbers? I don't mind plugging each in one at a time.

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Zider:

Dibblah: you mean like distcc?

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endless_us:

<Ryushin> I did not try knoppmyth. I have no expirience, but trying to get it.

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Juski:

Ryushin: no idea. try the ivtvdriver docs

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Ryushin:

enless_us: If you have no experience, then it's probably best that you cut your teeth on knoppmyth.

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Juski:

anyone recommend a site where they list the power consumption of CPUs?

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SirFunk:

when you make a zap2it account does it normally take a while before you can login with mythfilldb?

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endless_us:

<Ryushin>:Thanks. But any way wich distro is best for mythtv

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Juski:

nm

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Juski:

endless_us: how long is a piece of string? ;)

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Juski:

knoppmyth is prolly best for the linux inexperienced, then ubuntu, then gentoo etc

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hashbang:

endless_us: whatever you're happiest with, as you'll need to do some fairly hairy things at times.

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endless_us:

thank you guys

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hashbang:

in my case, that was Fedora

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hashbang:

but YMMV

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Juski:

I started out with gentoo, just following howto guides. did alright

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endless_us:

<Juski> I try to install Gentoo, but it did not recognizing my intel net card at all

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endless_us:

Debian did not recognize to. Fedora 4 & 5 recognize a right a way

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ivor:

ah crap sounds like the fans died in the epia. again.

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hashbang:

endless_us: sounds like maybe mythdora or fedora + the fedora mythology faq would be right for you.

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hashbang:

endless_us: that, or knoppmyth

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hashbang:

endless_us: oh, and FC4 is probably a better bet than FC5 right now.

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Ryushin:

Is thre a way to to detect which tuner is on a pvr-150 card without having to pull the card?

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endless_us:

Thank you guys

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SirFunk:

does zap2it take a while to creat eyour account?

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SirFunk:

oh weird, i had to delete my source an re-add it

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SirFunk:

but it works now

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mchou:

Dibblah: I recently retired all my athlonXP's (3 of them)

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mchou:

Dibblah: it's much cooler and quieter now :)

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mchou:

Dibblah: Athlon64's are pretty cool with powernow and Cool 'n Quiet

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cythrault:

hi

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Dibblah:

Yeah. I plan on going that route. But it's a tad expensive.

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mchou:

Ryushin: sure, ivtv and tveeprom tells ya. so does lm_sensors.

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mchou:

Dibblah: nah, I bought a64 3000+ (retail) plus mobo for $99

[19:28:06]

mchou:

Dibblah: get them at outpost while the deal is on.

[19:28:11]

mchou:

51C TDP

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mchou:

Ryushin: with i2c.....

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cythrault:

i have a curious issue with my videotron lineups on zap2it. the xmltvid, freqid and channum don't match for all channels. i'm running svn from yesterday. as any of you seen the same issue with their lineups?

[19:29:30]

mchou:

Dibblah: sell off old mobo and CPU, that's like upgrading for $30-$40 net

[19:30:16]

Anduin:

cythrault: Known bug.

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mchou:

Dibblah: right now my comp is running at 28C @1Ghz (instead of 2Ghz full on) with powernow

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** enyc wonders what to enter... **

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Anduin:

cythrault: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1848

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cythrault:

oh thanks! :)

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cythrault:

i'll try that patch right away

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Anduin:

cythrault: What are your lineup types? (cable, broadcast, etc)

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cythrault:

hmm, cable (videotron)

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cythrault:

i also have bev (bell expressvu) but that's dvb

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cythrault:

so i get the lineup via eit

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cythrault:

i had that pvr-500 laying around so i tought i'd try it on myth

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cythrault:

awithers; sadly, it did not help :(

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cythrault:

oh, i spoke too soon.

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cythrault:

looks like --only-update-channels i still bahaving the same way

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Anduin:

cythrault: You are going to want to clear out the channel and program tables

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cythrault:

tho, after I ran a plain mythfilldatabase, the xmltvis were reset to the (from what I can see) correct value but the freqid is still not = channum

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cythrault:

i did that

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cythrault:

delete from program and delete from channel

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cythrault:

/clear

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cythrault:

oups sorry

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cythrault:

i just ran "update channel set freqid=channum where channum is not null" to set the freqids to the right values. then, I ran filldb again and it reset the xmltvids values to the wrong ones...

[20:12:36]

ed3r:

how do i set users/passwords/permissions in mysql for use mythtv

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ed3r:

?

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cythrault:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql

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Vme:

is there something i need to do in order to get my nvidia 5500 card to output to the television?

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cythrault:

vme; edit xorg.conf

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Vme:

it outputs to the monitor just fine, however the s-video i have connected is outputting anything that i can tell?

[20:16:56]

Vme:

ok

[20:17:07]

Vme:

do i need to add another display or something?

[20:18:18]

Juski:

nope

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Juski:

Oh wait yes you probably will

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laga:

Juski: playing around with the intel binary driver now :)

[20:19:02]

Juski:

laga: heh. still not heard from the seller yet :(

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Zider:

peter seller?

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laga:

Juski: heh. i don't have any bank account information yet. most likely because hotmail doesn't like my email server

[20:19:52]

laga:

gotta contact her via ebay then

[20:19:58]

Juski:

if it gets to one week & I have not heard anything could you do me a favour please laga? i.e. send him some deutsche woopass ;)

[20:20:33]

Juski:

it's a her? oh gawd if I'd known...

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laga:

Juski: hehe :) if you have any language trouble, just let me know and i'll translate

[20:20:46]

Juski:

cheers :)

[20:20:49]

laga:

Juski: my seller is a "her2, dunno about yours :)

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Zider:

her two? ;)

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laga:

:P

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Juski:

time to watch the latest instalment of '24'. looking fwd to this since invasion was such as fscking cop-out

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Zider:

those episodes of invasion I saw was pretty good

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Vme:

is there a howto for xorg.conf and mythtv

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Vme:

?

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Zider:

just set xorg.conf up like any other computer?

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Ryushin:

Vme: Yea, there is. But if you're not very strong in linux, you should probably use knoppmyth.

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Vme:

Ryushin: could you point me to the howto anyway..

[21:12:19]

Juski:

Zider: invasion was ok, but the last episode (ever) was poor.. very bad ending

[21:12:32]

Vme:

i'm not terrible with linux, this is just the first time i've had to output to a tv with ntsc

[21:12:42]

Juski:

Vme: to get nvidia tvout working just read the readme stuff on their website

[21:13:15]

gardengnome:

Juski: looks like i get to build my own initrd-ish thingie for the DOM to have it netboot over wlan. fun :/

[21:13:37]

Juski:

gardengnome: oo nice :-/

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Juski:

I'm sure it won't be a problem for a man of your calibre though

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gardengnome:

Juski: suck-up :P i just don't like the idea of not having everything in one place

[21:16:56]

Juski:

yeah but one netboot file... it's hardly much

[21:17:09]

Juski:

will the s100 boot from USB or not?

[21:17:22]

Juski:

I had visions of putting a dvdrom in the case ;)

[21:17:56]

Juski:

ahh it has two IDE ports. the first thing I'm gonna do with mine is photograph it – still can't find any good photos of the insides

[21:17:58]

gardengnome:

i think booting from USB works.

[21:18:12]

gardengnome:

Juski: heh. will photograph it was well :P

[21:18:26]

gardengnome:

Juski: you might have to fiddle with the PSU for that dvd-rom

[21:18:34]

Juski:

I have plans for that already

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gardengnome:

i have an old 5x dvd-rom for laptops around, but i'd need an adapter

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Juski:

it'll definitely be a talking point on the stand if I manage to get it going

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gardengnome:

yep :)=

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gardengnome:

sad that you usually don't see the hard work behind the scenes ;)

[21:19:38]

Juski:

oh I heard about the details of that today. it's not gonna be a booth layout like linuxtag

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Juski:

I asked for a tv aerial point if they can get me one though

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gardengnome:

so, you need to bring your own tables?

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Juski:

no, they're provided

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gardengnome:

heh

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Juski:

Coume said his Shuttle's ethernet is busted though, so his box might have to be stand-alone :-/

[21:23:46]

gardengnome:

s/shuttle/asus pundit/

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Juski:

just remembered what's next on my todo list... get the xbox all 'nuxed

[21:24:15]

gardengnome:

well. get some el-cheapo rtl8139 card and have it do pxe via floppy

[21:24:29]

gardengnome:

i used to do that. it worked well

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Juski:

good plan! infact I have a spare 8139 card

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gardengnome:

loading the bootrom was a bit slow, though. there's this website called rom-o-magic or whatever, you can generate etherboot thingies there. using pxelinux then might be a good choice

[21:26:12]

WillCooke:

Ooo! MHEG!

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Juski:

hmm he doesn't have that much free time, what with his job & fighting off spam

[21:26:25]

Juski:

WillCooke: told yer

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Juski:

anyway shh.. it confuzzles the americans ;)

[21:26:57]

Zider:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/mobile/asus-di . . . tv-tuner.jpg – mini-pci tv tuner.. cooool :D

[21:27:39]

Juski:

Zider: hmmm I wonder what kind of nano-itx system you could use one of those in

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Zider:

Juski: should work with any card with mini-pci slot

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mchou:

Zider: that's got to be the kludgiest slot I've ever seen

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** Juski makes sure umbongo can mount this flash reader thing **

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Zider:

mchou: you mean the card layout..?

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WillCooke:

Juski: You get a lot of Unknown PID errors on the radio channels?

[21:28:35]

mchou:

Zider: yeah, with connectors on all sides

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Zider:

mchou: well, it exists, that's whats important :D

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Zider:

I wonder if linux supports it

[21:29:16]

Zider:

Life View FlyTV Platinum

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Juski:

WillCooke: it segfaulted too often to be able to tell

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WillCooke:

:)

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Juski:

Zider: sounds very software-encoder

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Juski:

gonna give svn a spin next week

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Zider:

Juski: yeah probably can't fit encoder chip on it :)

[21:30:01]

Juski:

or just as soon as I've finished tweaking this thing here

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WillCooke:

Looks like they'be fixed the segfault in svn, but it still struggles.

[21:30:32]

Juski:

I tried patching 0.19-fixes with the DVB radio patch – omg the brokenness

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Juski:

hand-editing patches at 2am is never a great idea where the DB schema number is involved

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Zider:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mobile/displ . . . imatrix.html – neato little system

[21:31:38]

WillCooke:

Gonna try and turn off mheg and try radio again. I'm really impressed by how much the svn has come along in the last 6 months

[21:31:46]

WillCooke:

LOADS of new features

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Juski:

WillCooke: I was muchly impressed too. less so by all the segfaulting

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Juski:

sleeptimer for the lazy folks, too ;)

[21:34:45]

WillCooke:

Mines been very stable actually – but then this is a virgin dapper box and a virgin myth install. I'm cross with umbungo – you can't remove, for example, gimp – without removing "umbungo-desktop" packages, which b0rks the universe.

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Juski:

WillCooke: eew

[21:35:21]

WillCooke:

ok – so turning mheg off doesn't help – I expect it'll be fixed soon.

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gardengnome:

ubuntu-desktop and the like are just metapackages imho, how's that gonna break universe?

[21:36:31]

WillCooke:

gardengnome: 'cos when I apt-get upgrade everyday it doesnt upgrade the packages within desktop – e.g. kernel, and then odd things start to happen

[21:36:46]

gardengnome:

WillCooke: wow. weird. didn't know that.

[21:37:20]

WillCooke:

gardengnome: IME it just isn't worth removing the desktop package and then trying to fix the stuff that breaks.

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Juski:

omg that was easy

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WillCooke:

What I should have done is install the server version and then install the extras on top – that would have saved me a lot of downloading

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Juski:

like _too_ easy

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WillCooke:

Juski: what was?

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gardengnome:

WillCooke: removing the desktop packages does not deinstall any packages. so, when you do an apt-get upgrade, why would it *not* upgrade certain packages?

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Zider:

hm.. would "Real-time MPEG 1/2/4 video recording" indicate hardware encoding? the specs are a bit vague.. :P

[21:38:48]

Juski:

I just plugged in the card reader & it appeared on the desktop

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Juski:

Zider: marketing bollocks. it's a software encoder

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BULLE:

Zider: what hardware is it you are thinking of ?

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Zider:

"Linux driver is available for OEM request." :D

[21:39:36]

Zider:

BULLE: http://www.lifeview.com.tw/html/products/inte . . . num_mini.htm

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WillCooke:

gardengnome: dunno! I've had bad experience of it. I'll try again!

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mchou:

Zider: look at the CPU requirements

[21:40:05]

Zider:

Pentium III or AMD 600MHz or higher required, Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon 2.4GHz recommended

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Zider:

:P

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mchou:

it's a SW encoder for sure

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Zider:

too bad.. seems to be a pretty nifty little card otherwise..

[21:41:12]

mchou:

"Linux driver is available for OEM request."

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mchou:

lol

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BULLE:

Zider: well, the dvb ones will give you whatever stream you tune in at

[21:43:13]

Zider:

BULLE: it's an analog card, tho they have analog+digital card as well for mini-pci

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octan:

howdy all..

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Zider:

oh no! it requires an available PCI slot! :P

[21:44:19]

Zider:

shock

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Juski:

objects in your rear view mirror may be closer to you than they appear ;-)

[21:45:44]

Juski:

(we told you so, so don't sue us)

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Zider:

;)

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Dibblah:

Why not just go for one of the go7007 based things?

[21:47:22]

Zider:

Dibblah: and that is?

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Juski:

hmmm.. now to find out where umbongo automounts the USB thing...

[21:47:51]

octan:

ihv been trying to disable opengl without any luck.. i dont know where in the settings it is. been trying to fig it out 2–3 days now.. cos mythfrontend is running so slow.. i think myth compiled against libGL-mesa. which i had when i installed mythtv. and now i got the proper nvidia libGL. "no mesa shit". i havent tryed recompiled mythtv yet,, will do that in the weeken.. but can anyone help me so i get opengl disabled for now

[21:48:19]

sapbeast:

i know someone mentioned it the other day but i missed it, what was an alternative to encore dvd for authouring outside linux?

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Zider:

octan: I don't think it's possible :P

[21:48:33]

octan:

:(

[21:49:03]

octan:

i didnt like the sound of that

[21:49:17]

octan:

everythig is posseble.. keep an open mind :P

[21:49:28]

octan:

i bet ther gotta be 1 way to do it

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Zider:

the interface is based on opengl afaik

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octan:

ouch

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Juski:

Zider: it's in the appearance menu

[21:50:03]

octan:

Juski, i have looked there 100 times

[21:50:13]

WillCooke:

anyone know what the "writing pat & pmt" scrolling up my B.E. log is all about?

[21:50:17]

Zider:

Dibblah: poke?

[21:50:22]

Juski:

if I still had svn on I'd tell you exactly where it is

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Juski:

WillCooke: table parsers doing their thang I bet

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octan:

hmm

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WillCooke:

programme guide stuff?

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Juski:

octan: the menu item is labelled 'shader method' and the choices are Qt & opengl

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Juski:

I bet it's in the settings table ;)

[21:52:04]

octan:

well i saw something about qt there,, that was all it sayd

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WillCooke:

Juski: you find that automount stuff yet?

[21:52:14]

octan:

let me look again

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Juski:

I'd be able to tell you that if I hadnt nuked the DB

[21:52:27]

Juski:

WillCooke: nah not yet. it definitely creates a desktop directory though

[21:53:40]

WillCooke:

It's System -> Prefs -> Removable drives and media

[21:53:58]

WillCooke:

(on dapper, similar on breezy)

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Zider:

hah! they made a tuner card with hardware encoding as well :D

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beavis_:

New Revision: 10000 :)

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WillCooke:

:)

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WillCooke:

Thought that would arrive today!

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Juski:

cheers WillCooke

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Zider:

does hardware-encoding card encode mpeg4 or is it just mpeg1/2?

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WillCooke:

Zider: Generally just 2

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Zider:

then this card gets better and better :D

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Juski:

gah some preferences list...

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Zider:

mini-pci tuner with hardware mpeg1/2/4

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Juski:

mpeg4 realtime? guess how much linux support that one has

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Zider:

Juski: none at all unfortunately.. but the company seems to be generally linux-aware at least..

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Juski:

they smell OEM dollar

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Zider:

well, at least it exists.. hopefully others will follow.. ;)

[22:04:04]

WillCooke:

hmmm – a recording that I did on this box the other day won't play with mplayer – it like the horizontal hold is shot

[22:04:39]

Juski:

grrr.. so now I know the device is /dev/sda...

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WillCooke:

:)

[22:05:08]

Juski:

derrrr.. the mount command tells all !

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Juski:

/media/usbdisk

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WillCooke:

grr – looks like i've lost an episode of Earl now. :(

[22:06:29]

Zider:

oh well, I'm off.. 'nite folks

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gardengnome:

same for me. g'night.

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WillCooke:

gnight

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Juski:

night gardengnome

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Juski:

gonna hit the hay shortly myself, or will I attempt lirc... hmm

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Juski:

we have a bot in the room, or was I the only one to get that msg ?

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Juski:

night all

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thechris:

i would like to play snes games from mythtv

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thechris:

but the games aren't listed.

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xris:

thechris: you may not get much help for that here, considering that it's not really legal

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GreyFoxx:

Did you configure the players and then do a scan ?

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thechris:

xris: there is nothing illegal about it. the roms i wish to play are ones i own

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thechris:

GreyFoxx: no. i don't know how to do that

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xris:

thechris: actually, it's still not legal... only legal roms are made-from-scratch free ones.

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GreyFoxx:

thechris: Go check out the mythgames setup menus. You have to define the players you want to use, the fileextensions that apply and where the roms are.

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GreyFoxx:

Then do a scan to pull them into the database

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Vme:

does the "NV" driver for x11 support twinview ?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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Vme:

ugh

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GreyFoxx:

and no tv overscan controls

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Vme:

beautiful

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Vme:

no wonder i keep getting errors

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GreyFoxx:

just use the nvidia provided one ? :)

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Vme:

lol

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Vme:

i have a FX5500

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Vme:

will that be okay?

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GreyFoxx:

I wouldassume so :)

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Vme:

ok

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Vme:

where can i get those drivers?

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GreyFoxx:

all of mine are GFX 4 MX440's

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Vme:

i've looked on nvidia and all i see is support of SuSe

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GreyFoxx:

depends. You can download the install file from nvidia.com

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Vme:

i'm running debian

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GreyFoxx:

or depending on the distro you can install a package of it

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Vme:

is there a really easy way? :)

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GreyFoxx:

I'd be suprised if there wasn't one

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rifter374:

Does anyone know how to get a gamepad working with xmame? It works fine in fceu, zsnes, epsxe, dgen, visualboyadvance, and mupen but not this one, it's getting annoying.

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GreyFoxx:

but I'm not a user of packages really so I couldn't say what does and doesn't have packages

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xris:

Vme: multiverse repository?

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Vme:

xserver-xorg-video-nv – X.Org X server — NV display driver

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Vme:

?

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Vme:

no

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xris:

I know the nividia drivers are in ubuntu's multiverse.. assumed debian would have the same

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xris:

>> apt-cache search nvidia

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Vme:

yea

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Vme:

that is what i'md oing

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rifter374:

anyone know?

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xris:

Vme: other way is to download their generic linux installer and build your own

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ficusplanet:

VME, Install nvidia-glx, then run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" to enable the nvidia drivers. Then restart the X Server and you're good to go.

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rifter374:

anybody use a gamepad with xmame?

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thechris:

anyone know how to unmount an nfs share?

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thechris:

it says "device is busy"

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GreyFoxx:

then you likely have a file open or executing off it

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GreyFoxx:

or someone is CD'd into a directory on it

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thechris:

no, nothing like that

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GreyFoxx:

you can pretty much guaranteee it :)

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GreyFoxx:

otherwise you wouldn't get thaterror :)

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GreyFoxx:

check the output of lsof (as root)

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thechris:

well, i've checked all the consoles. nothing

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GreyFoxx:

and see what is open

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thechris:

lsof: command not found

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GreyFoxx:

are you root ?

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thechris:

iyes

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GreyFoxx:

maybe it's not on your patcvh

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GreyFoxx:

path

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GreyFoxx:

or your distro didn't install it

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thechris:

i'm assuming the latter

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thechris:

what package would it be in?

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thechris:

i need to find out how to mount the nfs share as RW...

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Ryushin:

thechris: You have to share the NFS share RW from your other box. You will probably want to look at man exports.

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daxxar:

Anyone used TightVNC with MythTV's VNC?

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daxxar:

Does it work? :)

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daxxar:

Nvm, seems to work great.

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daxxar:

Wth? Why do the debian mythtv-backend-package by debian-multimedia.org depend on stuff like libglu? :o

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daxxar:

Eh.

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daxxar:

Is there no way to run something like myth-setup without X?

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daxxar:

I want to run mythtv-backend on a dedicated server and it has no X. :|

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lazyeye:

run the config on the frontend box and point it to the backend one for sql

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daxxar:

It has no mythtv-setup (it's a minimyth-box)

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lazyeye:

well you can always configure it manually through mysql

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daxxar:

What does the mythtv-backend process do?

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lazyeye:

i'm not an expert on it, only been using mythtv for a day now

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lazyeye:

i believe it is responsible for scheduling and recording

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lazyeye:

but don't take my word on that one

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lazyeye:

i'm having a slight issue with interfacing mythtv and my remote control if anyone is awake

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lazyeye:

irw runs fine and spits out the hex code and button name and such

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lazyeye:

but i'm not using irxevent and the .lircrc is confusing me

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lazyeye:

specifically im not sure what to put as the program in lircrc

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xris:

daxxar: backend is the brains of the operation...

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daxxar:

For which operations?

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daxxar:

TV-related ones?

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xris:

tv and general tasks

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daxxar:

Any way to get myth-setup-like action without X on the backend (and without myth-setup on the frontend?)

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xris:

X forwarding over ssh

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daxxar:

Nice idea. :)

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daxxar:

Oh. I have some problems with the image going outside the TV. Should I just try reducing the resolution?

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lazyeye:

is it only going off the bottom?

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mocker:

Holy crap is XGL cool.

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