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Monday, May 22nd, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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SirPageno:

well, it was my recording profiles, i had left in the default 480x480

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dscoular`:

ah...

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SirPageno:

but funny, the main picture never looked stretched

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dscoular`:

wouldn't that have screwed up your main window aspect too ?

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SirPageno:

i would have thought it would... somehow myth compensated for that

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dscoular`:

weird

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SirPageno:

after hours of gdb'ing...

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dscoular`:

great work

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SirPageno:

thanks...:)

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dscoular`:

I have DVB-T so I can't control the incoming aspect ratio... it changes from program to program

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dscoular`:

so I use "fill"

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SirPageno:

do you have to switch it manually with the on-screen menu then?

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dscoular`:

"Fill" seems to always ensure the screen is filled.

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dirk:

ok guys I hope you can help

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dirk:

when I go to watch tv I just get a blank/black screen

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dirk:

I know I'm overlooking something, I

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dirk:

just don't know what it is

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SirPageno:

dirk, what kind of tuner card?

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dirk:

my other problem is when I try to rip a dvd it tells me it can't connect to the transcode dameon

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dirk:

pvr 250

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dirk:

I'm using an nvidia w/tv out

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SirPageno:

can you 'cat /dev/video? > test.mpg' and then 'mplayer test.mpg'

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SirPageno:

and see video

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dscoular`:

dirk, have you had the pvr card working outwith myth i.e. using cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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** dscoular` decides to let SirPageno handle this one **

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SirPageno:

lol

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dirk:

no, this is my first time messing with video capture, so I'm a little lost

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SirPageno:

then try ivtv-detect

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dirk:

ok, it tells me about the card

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SirPageno:

well, ok that's good,

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SirPageno:

now how about ivtv-tune?

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dirk:

it gives me the ivtv-tune help

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SirPageno:

how about 'ivtv-tune -d /dev/video0 -c 4'

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Sponz_:

which is better to use: Remote wonder from ati or the remote from my PVR-250?

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dirk:

signal detected

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SirPageno:

hey now we're talking

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SirPageno:

dirk, isthis the only tuner card?

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dirk:

yeah

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SirPageno:

what happened when you tried the 'cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg'?

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dirk:

nothing

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qwarlock_:

hey has anyone set up Myth to watch VCR?

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SirPageno:

when you type that, let it run for about 10–15 seconds, the press Ctrl-C

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dirk:

ok

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SirPageno:

you should then have a test.mpg file

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SirPageno:

that you can play back with mplayer

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dirk:

oh

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qwarlock_:

can I use the S-Video input to watch the VCR?

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qwarlock_:

I get black screen

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dirk:

ok I get a test.mpg file

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SirPageno:

dirk, try 'mplayer test.mpg'

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dirk:

I'm actually at work right now, using ssh

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qwarlock_:

heh heh

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qwarlock_:

hmmm this seems to be hard

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SirPageno:

dirk... oh...

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qwarlock_:

does a VCR output S-Video?

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SirPageno:

qwarlock, some do, some don't

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qwarlock_:

I have a coax output that I put on my PVR350 coax input

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qwarlock_:

but that yeilds black screen

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SirPageno:

then that is composite video, not s-video

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qwarlock_:

oooooooh ok so the adapter type is meaningless and the TV just adjusts for it and uses either...is that right?

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Kazan:

hey uys

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Kazan:

guys*

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qwarlock_:

hey Kazan

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Kazan:

does RTjpeg choke like a scared little kid on shows with lots of scene changes and sudden movement?

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Kazan:

such as National Geographic Explorer

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qwarlock_:

so if I get an adapter to switch from the Coax to composit then I should be able to get Myth to show videotapes from my VCR?

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qwarlock_:

sorry bouncing ideas since I am still setting this up

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SirPageno:

Kazan, well, my old ATI tuner seems to work fine when watching NASCAR...(does that qualify for sudden movement, and lots of scene changes)

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SirPageno:

(it's using RTJPEG as the encoding format)

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dirk:

when I try to play the test file I get seek fail

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qwarlock_:

eww

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qwarlock_:

thats not good

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fatmatt:

Kazan: I had some issues with rapid movement, have you looked at the deinterlace settings on the frontend?

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Kazan:

SirPageno: no it doesn't qualify

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Kazan:

fatmatt: i don't think it's frontend

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Kazan:

fatmatt: load went 11+ during encode

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qwarlock_:

ok take care guys

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Kazan:

wasn't watching anything at the time

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fatmatt:

ahh

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dirk:

SirPageno, I get seek failed

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SirPageno:

dirk, hmmm....

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SirPageno:

dirk, not sure.... anybody else got any ideas?

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dirk:

SirPageno, I'm using gentoo do you think I should just reemerge

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dirk:

SirPageno, btw I've herd of some people using xine instead of mplayer so they have support for dvd menu

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SirPageno:

dirk, maybe it will help....I don't know for sure, it seems like the ivtv software can see your card, and the card can detect a station

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Sponz_:

maybe his card is on a different video port?

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SirPageno:

but the mpg coming from the /dev/video0 isn't valid

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dirk:

I'm reemerging mplayer now to see if that works

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Sponz_:

you sure your capture card is video0?

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dirk:

while I wait, does anyone know a good how to on lirc for the hauppauge remote

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Sponz_:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#lirc <--- is what i used. it's for fedora

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys I had a cool idea for the mythtv.org web site

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Mattwj2005:

we should have a mock up of Mythweb on the website....you know so people can see what it can all do

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AngryElf:

Mattwj2005, , set yours up open to the world and link it up :)

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

it won't actually be a Mythtv box.....just a few webpages....that you could click on

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Mattwj2005:

a simulation of sorts

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Mattwj2005:

I don't know...just an idea :)

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AngryElf:

i doubt that would be difficult for you to do. The html that is viewed is generated everytime you open mythWeb — so it'd just be a matter of copying the html up to the wiki and making sure it was viewable

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Mattwj2005:

something to consider

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Mattwj2005:

well I got to go to bed...goodnight all

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flipperwilson:

hey, i'd like to archive/export my .nuv recordings..can anyone gimme the lowdown?

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dirk:

SirPageno, are you still out there

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SirPageno:

yeah

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a1fa|64:

ok

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AngryElf:

flipperwilson, as of 0.19 they're not .nuv anymore

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dscoular`:

flipperwilson, nuvexport is your friend

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dirk:

I reemerge mplayer and still get the same problem: seek fail

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SirPageno:

hmmm....

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dirk:

any ideas

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SirPageno:

dirk r u getting my pvt msg?

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asd26:

back to myhtv problems

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dirk:

I'm there now

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dirk:

i'm getting your's are you getting my returns

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SirPageno:

no, sorry

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SirPageno:

dirk '/join #dirk'

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flipperwilson:

trying out nuvexport now, thanks guys... didn't think it was capable of what i wanted to do :)

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asd26:

any experts with lirc

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dscoular`:

asd26, does this mean you've found some evidence of your card having ir support ?

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asd26:

nope

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asd26:

http://www.pccasegear.com/prod3277.htm thats my card

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dscoular`:

asd26, why not try asking #linuxtv

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asd26:

lirc_gpio i've ready some people think it's this

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dscoular`:

I can't see any evidence of a connection between DTV1000T and lirc_gpio

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a1fa|64:

hey

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a1fa|64:

anyone using xbmc mythtv

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asd26:

dscoular` so it's trail and error?

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asd26:

just load random modules until it picks up something

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dscoular`:

asd26, I think you have to accept that no-one has the remote working with your card. The best place to ask is the linuxtv mailing lists or... the #linuxtv irc channel... but that is really for developers.

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dscoular`:

asd26, trial and error is something you can try but I think you have a very, very small chance of success.

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asd26:

i don't know what i'm going to do

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asd26:

i might put the card into my computer

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asd26:

windows box for now

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dirk:

ok guys I'm still stuck.

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dirk:

i still get a seek fail error w/mplayer when I run my test.mog

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dirk:

.mpg soory

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dirk:

has anyone ever had this problem?

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dirk:

My other problem is when I try to rip a dvd I get a can't connect to transcode dameon error

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dirk:

any ideas

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dirk:

on either problem?

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Sponz_:

dirk your channel

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nyxx:

does cvs for mythburn no longer exist now that mytharchive is being worked on?

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EnterUserName:

is all ATI drivers no hardware acceleration for Mythtv?

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dscoular`:

nyxx, mythburn was outwith the mythtv project.

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dscoular`:

nyxx, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythBurn

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dscoular`:

I have mythburn working against mythweb 0.19

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nyxx:

I'm still on .18 and the only mythburn I've been able to find is a package from oct05 :( It's got some weird error that prevents me from even getting an image made.. It stops before remultiplexing the a/v streams together.. I can figure out how to do that but it leaves me with a 4gb .nuv file and no idea where to go from there :(

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SirPageno:

EnterUserName, you still round?

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WAR_CH|LD:

has anyone ever tried installing hauppauge nova-t 500 mce, what kernel module does it use?

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WAR_CH|LD:

or does ivtv support the digital cards as well now?

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dscoular`:

mythburn's main difficulty is getting a matching version of ProjectX

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dscoular`:

nyxx, ProjectX's cutlist format and command-line arguments varied greatly as it was in heavy development.

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nyxx:

oh man

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nyxx:

is there a simple command to go from this .nuv file to a video ts directory with no menu or any other option?

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dscoular`:

have you tried nuvexport ?

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nyxx:

it ends at 0% and complains alot about not recognizing input/output format of dvd

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nyxx:

nuv2disc doesn't even see any of my recordings

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dscoular`:

Are you running 0.18 or 0.18.1 ?

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nyxx:

I think it's 0.18.2-fixes

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dscoular`:

So I guess the problem is that these external tools have updated to support 0.19.x

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SirPageno:

nyxx, have you tried using the script from the mythtv documentation

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dscoular`:

I'm surprised nuvexport doesn't work...

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dscoular`:

Have you got a recent nuvexport ?

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SirPageno:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.19

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nyxx:

I have no clue why they wouldn't work.. it's knoppmyth r5a30.2, all of the tools should be the correct versions but none of them work

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nyxx:

SirPageno, I haven't seen that

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SirPageno:

follow that link...

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SirPageno:

it sounds like what you want

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SirPageno:

*i've never done if before, so I can't help any further than that*

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nyxx:

yes, looks like that's working

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WAR_CH|LD:

does anyone know if the WinTV-NOVA-T PCI 500 (the dual digital card) uses the same chips as it's single counterpart?

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nyxx:

in fact, that might be the last step that mythburn kept dieing before it would do

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dscoular`:

nyxx, if there's a discussion forum on knoppmyth I'd consider asking there... you are right all the tools should, in theory, work together.

[03:28:42]

nyxx:

dscoular`, ideally they should be able to help me.. in practice though, they don't so much :(

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nyxx:

the dvdauthor step from that faq SirPageno linked me to is the final missing step I needed

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** dscoular` is sorry to hear that **

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dscoular`:

sweet... I think we are all looking forward to mytharchive.

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nyxx:

yeah, sounds like it should be a decent update

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nyxx:

I'm really looking forward to most of the stuff listed in the google SoC stuff too

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SirPageno:

i'm just happy myth is still alive

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SirPageno:

i thought last summer it had died

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SirPageno:

but it seems to have gained a lot of momentum!

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EnterUserName:

hi all

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SirPageno:

amen!

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EnterUserName:

are mythtv still doenst support hardware acceleration for ati cards?

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nyxx:

what happened last summer?

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EnterUserName:

using commercial drivers?

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SirPageno:

EnterUserName, what ATI card do u have?

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SirPageno:

nyxx, nothing, that's the point...

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EnterUserName:

Ati All in wonder X600 pro

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EnterUserName:

im using wintv..

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SirPageno:

EnterUserName, I don't know about that card, sorry

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EnterUserName:

do some ati cards work?

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EnterUserName:

should i give it a try?

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EnterUserName:

how do i get the xvdmc to work?

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SirPageno:

ok, as far as i know, no ATI supports xvmc in linux yet

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EnterUserName:

hrm

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EnterUserName:

how about nvidia 7300 gs :) if i buy that :)

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** EnterUserName ponders. i hate ati :( **

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SirPageno:

i do believe nvidia's drivers support xvmc

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SirPageno:

EnterUserName, are you trying to do HD?

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EnterUserName:

no

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EnterUserName:

im trying to run it with XGL :)

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SirPageno:

hmmm....

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EnterUserName:

why you dont think i'll see much of a performance differnce?

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EnterUserName:

im wondering if its a better card :Sor myabe i'll wait

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EnterUserName:

im not in a big needf :)

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SirPageno:

I have an ATI radeon 9200 that is my TV-out card, using ati's binary drivers

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EnterUserName:

you using XGL?

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SirPageno:

it does support hardware accelerated opengl

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EnterUserName:

i actuallky put mythtv on its own x server

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SirPageno:

I don't know what XGL is

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EnterUserName:

but not xvmc?

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SirPageno:

right, no xvmc

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EnterUserName:

oh ok thanx i'll wait a bit.

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SirPageno:

it does support xv, and randr

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SirPageno:

but I don't think you'll need xvmc unless you are doing HD

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SirPageno:

depends on you cpu probably

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EnterUserName:

ahh i'll wait before buying anew card :)

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dscoular`:

EnterUserName, I thought you got XGL and myth working yesterday.

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EnterUserName:

oh i did

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EnterUserName:

but it was pretty slow

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EnterUserName:

i ended up putting it in its own x server

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dscoular`:

I think you are expecting a lot from a very immature technology... XGL

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EnterUserName:

yer probablyr ight :)

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** dscoular` is a sucker for eye candy too **

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** dscoular` can't resist wobbly windows but only has a ATI radeon mobility M6Y **

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EnterUserName:

heh ok.. :) Ya its pretty cool

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EnterUserName:

so for now the solution is its own X server :)

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EnterUserName:

good night all

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dscoular`:

g'night

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stevenm:

Got a nice theme here, but an ugly OSD. Are the two connected? Is there a way to select two different themes, one for the menus and another for the OSD ?

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stevenm:

and if they are linked, then how? which XML files to edit?

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topher:

hey all

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topher:

i actually dont have a problem or question

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AngryElf:

stevenm, they're different, you can select the OSD from one of the settings pages, i forgot which one though

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topher:

im honestly just here, hehe

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stevenm:

AngryElf, aah now got it

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stevenm:

its a bit confusing, OSD theme in one level of configs and general theme elsewhere

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AngryElf:

yea, i believe the devs are working on the whole menu system, it's quite complex

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stevenm:

this is in 19.1 ?

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stevenm:

yea I imagine it is tough to theme something such as this. I run myth on a high-res LCD so I often find myself going into the XML files to make the fonts smaller

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AngryElf:

er, i dunno, i just saw it was a suggested idea for googles summer of code

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stevenm:

aah awesome

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stevenm:

sadly not all themes follow the font settings in the menus, usually its just hardcoded

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kRutOn:

Do you submit the updates to fix that stevenm?

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stevenm:

kRutOn, no but I figured it must work for other people's resolutions. I can put some up if you want

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topher:

hello! my mythtv works great except it always crashes the frontend if i select video manager or watch videos (not watch recordings). the console output says: MythVideo: VideoMAnager: Failed to get selector object. what should i do?

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topher:

besides sounding helpless

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topher:

this is mythtv 0.19 w/ plugins 0.19 on fedora core 4

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topher:

the directories exist and have permission. this problem started when i upgraded ot 0.19

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topher:

eh, nm, ill fix it later

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topher:

anybody know if the mythmusic visualizer can go fullscreen?

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nyxx:

yeah

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topher:

nyxx: is there a key for it or a timeout setting?

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nyxx:

er, press 4

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nyxx:

I think

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topher:

oh

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topher:

is that what that stuff at the bottom means?

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topher:

im really glad redoing mythmusic is on the summer of code, hehe

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nyxx:

I'm looking forward to most of the stuff on the soc list

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topher:

think the project will get enough (good) takers?

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nyxx:

I hope so

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ircrob:

cx88 timeout

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hello_man:

hey guys..

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hello_man:

need a little help

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hello_man:

*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0x08134418 ***

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hello_man:

Aborted

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hello_man:

I ma gettting that error when running frontend from mythtv user

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hello_man:

if I root, then it doesn't happen

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hello_man:

anybody here to help me

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Juski:

morning

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dscoular`:

afternoon

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Juski:

morning

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stuarta:

morning all

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** dscoular waves to stuarta **

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** stuarta waves back **

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Dibblah:

Argh. That's the first time I've done that in ages :)

[08:41:27]

Dibblah:

Finally fixed my CAM issue, I think. The fake PMT was getting created with all streams – Even if they weren't encrypted. Sky one has 22 streams, which is a tad excessive.

[08:41:53]

Dibblah:

And IsEncrypted() doesn't do what it says on the tin.

[08:42:33]

Dibblah:

Well – It does. It tells you if the PMT is encrypted. Which I'm afraid I can't really see a use for :)

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stuarta:

ahh

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Dibblah:

I'm pretty much grabbing all channels from uk_rt – Which is probably causing my scheduler issues.

[08:44:47]

Dibblah:

Since it includes all of the regional ones, therefore causing lots of unnecessary conflicts.

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stuarta:

Dibblah: the CAM support (as you have noticed) probably needs a look over with a critical eye.

[08:46:49]

Dibblah:

Yeah. I know. But I don't have access to a 'real' system.

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stuarta:

can probably read over the CAM handling in the old version, compare to the new, and see where they

[08:47:35]

stuarta:

are logically different

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Dibblah:

Umm... Nothing's changed in the CAM code, really.

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stuarta:

I was thinking in terms of where things are send for decryption

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Dibblah:

And I'm no longer seeing easily reproducable issues.

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stuarta:

s/send/sent

[08:49:20]

Dibblah:

Current SVN (with applicable patches) is working for me now, with the small change to strip out unencrypted streams.

[08:49:46]

Dibblah:

Only remaining issue I have is parental control levels.

[08:50:19]

Dibblah:

... For some reason, GF gets upset with porn getting visibly displayed when it's not expected ;)

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stuarta:

hehehe :)

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** PointyHairedBoss *heart* SVN. **

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PointyHairedBoss:

Erm

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stuarta:

was gunna say, it's not friday anymore...

[08:51:58]

Merlin83b:

Updated 200 or so revisions yesterday and it didn't complain about my changes :-)

[08:52:11]

Dibblah:

Nice.

[08:52:13]

Merlin83b:

Probably becuase I'm not using the eit branch but we'll deal with that another day :-)

[08:52:28]

Dibblah:

Well, if you're up to current, you are :)

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Merlin83b:

In HEAD?

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Dibblah:

Since it's been merged...

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Merlin83b:

Oops, wrong button :-)

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Merlin83b:

It got merged?

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Dibblah:

Yup.

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Merlin83b:

Wow, I'm astounded my changes didn't conflict!

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Merlin83b:

Since they're EIT type stuff.

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Dibblah:

9957

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Merlin83b:

I'm now worried that SVN may in fact have just given up on them.

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** stuarta is still reading 2 days worth of -dev & -commits **

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Dibblah:

I had similar concerns. But it still seems to work.

[08:54:06]

Merlin83b:

Ah, I@m on 9953

[08:54:21]

stuarta:

let me know if anything's broken, but should be okay.

[08:54:30]

Dibblah:

Now that daniel's sorted out tv_*.h, I may look again at precompiled headers...

[08:54:45]

Dibblah:

Or even collecting all of the common headers again.

[08:55:08]

Merlin83b:

Someone asked Chutt in #mythtv the other day about donig some header tidying

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Merlin83b:

May have been you, for all I know ;-)

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Dibblah:

Nah.

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stuarta:

lucas IIRC

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Merlin83b:

Ah, yes.

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Dibblah:

I'm not promising Isaac anything. I suck at delivering on time :)

[08:56:20]

Merlin83b:

Heh

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stuarta:

my biggest problem has been finding testing time...

[08:57:04]

Merlin83b:

my biggest problem has been finding any time...

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stuarta:

thursdays are goog atm, no recordings whatsoever.

[09:00:36]

Dibblah:

... If you get another card, it is possible to run a completely seperate instance in parallel...

[09:01:18]

stuarta:

already have two, and they tend to both be in use at the same time.

[09:01:36]

Dibblah:

I have... <counts>

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Dibblah:

6.

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Dibblah:

4 in the live system, 2 in testbox.

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stuarta:

I need to get xen setup, then I can test in a dom0

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stuarta:

sorry domU

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Dibblah:

Seen the multiple channels on one mplex stuff recently?

[09:02:57]

Dibblah:

It's getting much better than it started out :)

[09:03:09]

Dibblah:

acguj;

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stuarta:

saw that, keeping a watchful eye on it, sounds very promising.

[09:03:36]

Dibblah:

Apologies. Kittens shouldn't be allowed on IRC.

[09:03:56]

stuarta:

they can type quite well

[09:05:04]

Dibblah:

Noo... Don't settle in my lap now. I have no water! I'll dehydrate!

[09:05:16]

Dibblah:

Or coffee. I'll fall asleep.

[09:05:44]

** stuarta prefers dogs, they know when to sit in the corner... **

[09:06:31]

Dibblah:

Yes, but cats don't need accompanied to have a dump.

[09:06:36]

Dibblah:

;)

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stuarta:

nor dogs.

[09:07:24]

Dibblah:

Oh well. There goes a perfectly good argument.

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stuarta:

I however cannot vouch for stupid dogs. I will only have intelligent dogs

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Dibblah:

Heh.

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stuarta:

they know how to exit channels too?

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Hviid:

Can i get mythvideo not to mix videos with TV series, so I get them in a kind of 2 partitions, which are easy to switch between

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Merlin83b:

Hviid: Just use setup to say your videos are in a different place...

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** stuarta goes to svn up & compile **

[09:32:52]

Merlin83b:

Heh, just did the same

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Merlin83b:

Now to see if those EIT changes conflict...

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Merlin83b:

Go SVN! G status on the ones I'd changed :>

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stuarta:

dammit, quilt has shat itself...

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Freman:

heyas, what's the easiest way to completely erase my recording schedule?

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Hviid:

Merlin83b just annoying to have to change that every time, you wanna switch

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Merlin83b:

Hviid: You should only have to set it once.

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Hviid:

Merlin83b: huh?

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Hviid:

eks. I have my videos in /media/movies and series in /media/series, but in mythtv, I can only choose one folder?

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Merlin83b:

Oh right, I do not know.

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Hviid:

would be nice, to have them seperated, so they don't mix, but with a quick way, to switch between them

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Merlin83b:

I use folders in my video setup and it's pretty easy to naviate bwteen them.

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Merlin83b:

Oh

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Merlin83b:

The video browser has a couple of views – try the others.

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Hviid:

Merlin83b thx, I'll look at it

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Merlin83b:

Oh, compile failure :<

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stuarta:

build complete, no problems.

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Merlin83b:

It's in a file I haven't touched, too.

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Merlin83b:

http://pastebin.com/730739

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stuarta:

sometime there's an extra header that needs adding, but it's normally macosx

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stuarta:

stdint.h

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stuarta:

i'd add it to dvbtypes.h

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stuarta:

did you distclean?

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Merlin83b:

I did not.

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Merlin83b:

Perhaps I should.

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stuarta:

definitely

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Merlin83b:

I rarely do that one.

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stuarta:

you can only get away with it if you know what has changed and aren't going up many versions

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stuarta:

!trout Merlin83b for not reading -commits

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** MythLogBot slaps Merlin83b for not reading -commits with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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Merlin83b:

Erm, yes.

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** Merlin83b shuffles, uneasily. **

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stuarta:

even I distcleaned on that one....

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Merlin83b:

distclean seems strange – surely compiling the new stuff replaces the old and anything unchanged can just carry on as it is?

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** Merlin83b loses his tenuous grasp on the make system. **

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stuarta:

it's todo with interdependencies and make not being foolproof

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stuarta:

c++ is worse than c

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Merlin83b:

So I did distclean and it's failed again in the same way.

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stuarta:

interesting.

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Merlin83b:

Should I just add the header above or so you want to try and track down why this might be happening?

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** stuarta does some poking around in trac **

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Juski:

re

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stuarta:

yo

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Merlin83b:

Hi Juski

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Juski:

stuarta: gave up on svn – was segfaulting on every other channel change... but not while running gdb :-/

[10:18:10]

stuarta:

interesting.

[10:18:39]

Juski:

yep – I'll be going back to svn when I have the demo box all nice & ready – gonna swap the HDD out

[10:19:10]

Juski:

EIT is still hogging CPU in 0.19-fixes, so I'm back to xmltv

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Juski:

at least I _think_ that's what it was – turned it off & suddenly mythbackend isn't using 50% CPU

[10:20:47]

Juski:

one of the reasons I want to go back into testing svn is mytharchive – it failed on every stream I tried.. couldn't find the audio PID!

[10:21:59]

Juski:

anyway enough of me moaning ;-)

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** stuarta notices his backend 0% cpu **

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Juski:

oh yeah – for 0.19-fixes I ended up having to import tables from my other box. scanning, full scan didn't get all the channels, and importing a channels.conf resulted in the pay & radio channels being imported

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stuarta:

just need the scanning fixes to be commited and then almost everything that's badly annoying me is fixed.

[10:25:19]

Juski:

so will that come into 0.19-fixes or just head?

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stuarta:

head, pretty big changes all round (less so for scanning but...)

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Merlin83b:

stuarta: Given up on my compile issue? Shall I just stick that header in there and curse a bit?

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: best idea for now, probably be fixed properly by someone on macosx

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Merlin83b:

Weird that it's not happening to you, though.

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Juski:

btw I've got a new toy coming to me... the t-vision s100 box laga has been raving about

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Juski:

makes a nice mythfrontend allegedly

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** stuarta googles **

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Juski:

http://www.zenega-user.de/wiki/index.php/Hauptseite

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caitlin:

hey hey

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** caitlin is confused **

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Juski:

hey caitlin. you sort the signal strength out?

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caitlin:

yeh, it's working 100%

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caitlin:

changed nothing 0_o

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caitlin:

must have been fluff in the cable, or someone turned their microwave off

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

or drunk pixies :-P

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stuarta:

celeron 733mhz, with no sign of any mpeg assistance (apart from Intel 830 xvmc)

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caitlin:

what i'm stuck on now is using mythmusic to *do* anything :P

[10:49:06]

caitlin:

either i have an old version, because ubuntu is scabby, or i'm really missing something

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caitlin:

do you need to add scripts to the default apt-getted install, or am i being thick?

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caitlin:

it'll list my music, but i can't make playlists or anything

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Juski:

stuarta: my athlon 800 is fine with mpeg2 on its own

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Juski:

don't actually need xvmc turned on as it turns out, so long as realtime commflagging is turned off.. I think I had to disable realtime priority playback too. dunno why that wasn't working yet

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stuarta:

so you feel that that hardware is sufficient?

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Juski:

stuarta: could be. if not I'll nick the box & use it for my epia

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stuarta:

gbee: BB gives me the time to catch up on my 7 days worth of recordings

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Juski:

my wife's laptop is a celeron 700 – that plays mpeg2 back in windows

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hashbang:

stuarta: heh, I was thinking that, too...

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gbee:

stuarta: that's one upside

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stuarta:

I need to get through a lot of recordings, so that I can rebuild my box before filmfour comes live

[10:58:12]

gbee:

hmm seems that the menu translation stuff has been broken lately, at least for my custom menus

[10:58:44]

gbee:

definately considering an extra card and maybe another HDD before then

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Juski:

anyway, folks have hacked VDR onto some boxes even to the extreme of fitting tuners (!), so I'm guessing it can cope with mpeg2...

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Juski:

oh shit..

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caitlin:

sigh, i'd better upgrade to v0.19 :(

[11:06:38]

gbee:

hmm seems that localisation for any menu other than the default isn't working

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caitlin:

is there any way to run two versions side my side? :P

[11:06:58]

caitlin:

i think i'll just use a new disk

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stuarta:

caitlin: database backups and two compile trees.

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caitlin:

sounds messy

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** caitlin wonders if mythmusic 0.19 works on 0.18 mythtv **

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caitlin:

hacky hack death

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** stuarta thinks it'd be more fun make mythmusic svn run on 0.18 **

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Juski:

probably more possible too :-P

[11:19:05]

stuarta:

given the improvements in svn for mythmusic, far more worthwhile....

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** Juski laughs at this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/19/sky_hd/ **

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stuarta:

lemme guess, they are running out of HD boxes?

[11:21:45]

Cougar:

Q: does it mean that as long MYTH_BINARY_VERSION is the same, all libraries are the same and yo don't need to replace them when recompiling new code?

[11:22:29]

Juski:

stuarta: yup. my heart bleeds for em

[11:22:38]

stuarta:

Cougar:do you like things to randomly break on you?

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stuarta:

it can be done, but isn't recommended when you have the source

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Juski:

probably not even worth the risk – you could end up wasting far more than just the recompile time

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Cougar:

stuarta: no but I'd like to build packages from SVN but make versions so that you don't need to replace all parts every time

[11:29:29]

Cougar:

but if it is not usable then of course I continue old way

[11:30:30]

stuarta:

I do it when coding, but for packaging I can't think of a situation that would require a full rebuild

[11:30:48]

stuarta:

s/would/would not

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Cougar:

rebuilding is easy. I'm looking a better solution for customers who right now should install both fe or be together with new library package

[11:34:39]

Cougar:

but often there are changes in fe or be but not in libs and so on. It seems impossible to update only packages that are actually changed because it is not easy to track it down

[11:37:02]

stuarta:

most changes are backend libs, but the apps normally need relinking to the libs anyway.

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** janneg rarely touches anything else than libs/libmythtv/ **

[11:42:12]

** stuarta just does make; make install **

[11:42:23]

** Zider just does emerge <package> **

[11:42:34]

** stuarta uses head **

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** caitlin just gives head **

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** stuarta is glad he sais *uses* **

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** Zider too, but only if it's needed **

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caitlin:

hang on, these chats are logged

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caitlin:

hrm

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Juski:

hmmm.. anyone think the new button is an improvement here: http://www.juski.co.uk/newbutton.png

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Zider:

I don't recall what the old one looked like :)

[11:46:21]

Juski:

http://mythtv.fotoniq.nl/images/preview.png

[11:47:05]

Zider:

yeah, improvement

[11:48:57]

Juski:

ta

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gbee:

Juski: think I prefer the understated original

[11:49:04]

gbee:

but that's just me

[11:49:14]

Juski:

yeah well you stick with that one

[11:49:17]

Juski:

;-)

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gbee:

;)

[11:49:40]

Juski:

I'm just going through the theme & replacing the graphics for a demo box

[11:52:23]

dscoular:

To be honest, I prefer the grid layout themes to the linear ones.

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Juski:

grid layout?

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dscoular:

blue being an example... it's a shame there aren't more.

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Juski:

oh, like Blue

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Juski:

I liked blue for a long time

[11:54:02]

Juski:

thinking about using it as a basis for a xmas theme

[11:54:06]

dscoular:

I find scrolling through a vertical list a bit of pain

[11:54:14]

Juski:

baubles!

[11:54:26]

dscoular:

ray traced with snow!!!

[11:54:43]

dscoular:

I wish the themes could animate

[11:54:44]

Juski:

it's a pity you can't have a horizontal linear menu

[11:55:03]

Juski:

dscoular: we're getting opengl, which is a start

[11:55:08]

dscoular:

true

[11:55:24]

Juski:

I like the xbox dashboard

[11:55:33]

Juski:

rotating carousel

[11:56:34]

Juski:

oh dammit. tried editing last night's Top Gear & it won't transcode

[11:56:35]

caitlin:

is there a reason they cant animate? or is that just not supported

[11:56:45]

Juski:

nobody has programmed it

[11:57:00]

Juski:

that and the fact most people might get seasick & turn them off

[11:57:16]

Juski:

it's 'bling'

[11:57:33]

Juski:

let the substance come first :-P

[11:57:42]

caitlin:

true true

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dscoular:

Just trying to lookup QMovie in kde

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caitlin:

i'd die to be able to manage my music through mythweb

[11:58:06]

caitlin:

it'd be the best thing eva </chav>

[11:58:31]

Juski:

rm -rf /RnB/

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dscoular:

rm -rf /Country_and_Western

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dscoular:

rsync punk:: rock

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LLLyric:

rm -rf /var/myth/recordings/Desperate*Housewives*

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LLLyric:

wifey crap :)

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** LLLyric watching yesterdays motogp now :) **

[12:00:21]

LLLyric:

It's on too late for me, myth rules

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** dscoular decides vive le difference **

[12:02:25]

LLLyric:

dscoular: I'm building myth 0.19 with that patch now, we'll see how it goes

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LLLyric:

my pc is slow, though

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dscoular:

Cool... hope it works for you.

[12:04:26]

Juski:

anyone using MythCenter (sic) in the UK with DVB-T? I'm getting 'HD' icons

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** dscoular hits the hay **

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Juski:

I mean in 'watch recordings' I can see HD icons attached to recorded shows which I know aren't HD

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gbee:

Juski: yes, but I've not seen any HD icons, probably related to EIT? I use xmltv for most channels

[12:09:35]

Juski:

nothing to do with EIT

[12:09:44]

Juski:

shouldn't be anyway – I'm using xmltv

[12:10:25]

Juski:

I suppose 576i is HD compared to 480i :-P

[12:10:43]

LLLyric:

You can always drop in your own icons if your xmltv doesn't provide them

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Dibblah:

Yup. We've had HD for aaaages ;)

[12:11:09]

Juski:

LLLyric: you miss the point. I GET HDTV icons displayed when there should be none

[12:11:23]

Dibblah:

Anyone else seeing a backend hang when a slave is running with current SVN?

[12:11:38]

Dibblah:

MBE just effectively freezes...

[12:11:42]

LLLyric:

Dibblah: you're running different versions?

[12:11:47]

Dibblah:

No.

[12:12:06]

Dibblah:

That sentence did need brackets, though :)

[12:12:16]

stuarta:

Dibblah: several posts to -dev saying just that (there's even a ticket)

[12:12:58]

Juski:

maybe I'll dump this theme anyway – it's not even as if I even like it

[12:13:00]

Dibblah:

Don't see the ticket...

[12:13:03]

stuarta:

latest theory is something to do with preview recordings.

[12:13:12]

Dibblah:

GDB doesn't give anything really useful :(

[12:15:03]

Juski:

Dibblah: seemed to stop the segfaults I was seeing last week

[12:15:35]

stuarta:

ticket 1805

[12:17:36]

Dibblah:

Thanks. No mention of the previewgenerator in my BT.

[12:19:32]

Zider:

hm, doesn't mythtv play audio-cd directly without ripping it first?

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Juski:

got a log of the failed transcode here.. another recording worked just fine: http://pastebin.ca/57991

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laga:

Juski: you gotta complain to the powers that be :)

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gbee:

Zider: it can play an audio cd without ripping, goto the playlist editor, second option is CD

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Juski:

laga: eh?

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Juski:

email the list? oh god no

[12:32:32]

Zider:

gbee: so you need to put each CD in a playlist..?

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** stuarta decides to record samples of itv, vh4 & ch5 hd test channels **

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laga:

Juski: heh. well, that's the only way you could improve mythtranscode. i have a few broken files myself, and so does scorpi

[12:33:02]

Zider:

gbee: I just see "CD – none" and can't do anything with it

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Juski:

vh4?!

[12:33:49]

gbee:

hmm, make sure you CD device is correct in the mythmusic settings

[12:33:59]

gbee:

Juski: yup, HD music channel

[12:34:01]

gbee:

:p

[12:34:25]

stuarta:

ch4 :-P

[12:34:54]

Juski:

are they on the same mux?

[12:35:13]

stuarta:

yeah, bbc is on 1 mux 3/4/5 on the other mux

[12:35:32]

Juski:

ch4 in HD... all the sacs will be able to count the grains of sand on the Lost set

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stuarta:

ch4's already doing hd on telewest IIRC

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Juski:

only VoD though

[12:36:13]

stuarta:

ie. $$$

[12:36:32]

Juski:

NTL might be getting HD in about 2008

[12:36:50]

gbee:

unlikely to go free to view/air until the numbers of HD viewers increase

[12:36:55]

Juski:

by which time I won't be an NTL customer since they've been overcharging me for months

[12:37:28]

** Juski << unlikely to buy into HD until true HD sets are widely available **

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Zider:

gbee: yeah it's set correctly

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stuarta:

I may have to start digging in ffmpeg code soon, just to decode these samples...

[12:38:06]

gbee:

Zider: no idea then, it works for me

[12:38:15]

Juski:

stuarta: if you were to believe one thread I saw, the code you need is 'just commented out'

[12:38:30]

Juski:

like it'd be that easy

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Zider:

weird that cd playing is under music and not optical disk

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stuarta:

what I saw said the code I need is a nice empty loop with TODO above it

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** stuarta wonders if the specification docs are available... **

[12:40:37]

gbee:

heh, crashed mfe actually trying to play a CD

[12:41:12]

stuarta:

hey the be crashes if I even try to preview an HD sample off the test muxes

[12:42:18]

Zider:

hm, mythtv hangs when I exit the playlist editing :P

[12:43:37]

gbee:

hopefully we'll see some real improvements to mythmusic as a result of SoC

[12:43:38]

stuarta:

i'm concerned when the kernel frontend driver is in "disk wait"

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Zider:

gbee: SoC?

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Zider:

son of chuck?

[12:43:59]

Zider:

;)

[12:44:04]

gbee:

Google Summer of Code

[12:44:52]

Zider:

aha

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Dibblah:

I can see the future!

[12:45:06]

Dibblah:

Well, for http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1842 anyway ;)

[12:45:18]

Zider:

gbee: it seems to find a cd now.. I had to scan for music files first tho.. :P

[12:46:15]

gbee:

maybe a mounting/media discovery prob

[12:46:50]

Zider:

I still don't see the cd among my music tho

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gbee:

have you ticked the checkbox in the playliat editor? if added to an existing playlist it will get stuck to the end/start and won't be sorted alphanumerically (least not when using directory sorting)

[12:48:58]

Zider:

it's ticked

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** laga hugs stuarta to make him happy again **

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** Zider humps stuarta to make him even more happy **

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gbee:

Dibblah: #1842 seems to be an attempt to break almost every ticket posting rule ;)

[12:54:22]

stuarta:

!trout Zider

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** MythLogBot slaps Zider with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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Zider:

oh

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laga:

Zider: he's mine!

[12:55:20]

laga:

(bitch.)

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laga:

:)

[12:55:25]

Zider:

wench. :P

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stuarta:

!trout laga & Zider into a private room

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** MythLogBot slaps laga & Zider into a private room with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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** gbee is disturbed **

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laga:

hehe

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stuarta:

they are a bit odd around here when there's no myth to discuss....

[12:56:42]

Zider:

we're always odd

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laga:

we've always got something to discuss

[12:57:18]

stuarta:

constantly entertained by Juski's mirror smashing pikeys....

[12:57:26]

Zider:

laga: and someone to disgust ;)

[12:57:35]

laga:

i saw yesterday that there's a new patch in trac. it allows you to record multiple channels from one transpoder. :)

[12:58:00]

** stuarta is keeping one evil eye locked on that patch **

[12:58:22]

laga:

heh

[12:58:44]

stuarta:

laga, you're a bit slow, came out at least a week ago...

[12:58:57]

Zider:

gbee: still can't get it to just play.. I just find import cd.. :/

[12:59:57]

laga:

stuarta: really? ah, right. i misread that yesterday, i was tired ;)

[13:00:13]

stuarta:

y2day's was the latest version :)

[13:00:17]

gbee:

that patch is only part of the work needed but it's a very big step in the right direction

[13:00:36]

janneg:

yeah, 80kbyte gzipped, plus another 60KB. I don't want to review that patch

[13:00:39]

gbee:

Zider: sorry, not got a clue

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caitlin:

so, um, how do you lot manage to do development and testing on mythtv when you're using it to *tape* stuff... do you have test machines? or just type fast?

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** stuarta thinks about setting up a xen guest to test slave be's **

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gbee:

caitlin: in my case I've a test machine, but I also do testing at unusual hours in between recordings

[13:01:34]

stuarta:

caitlin: careful scheduling, and a rollback plan + the odd recording you don't mind missing

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Zider:

gbee: it doesn't even seem to look up cddb info :P

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caitlin:

fair enough

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stuarta:

ssh access helps

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gbee:

Zider: well that can't be good ... as I say, it works perfectly on mine

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Zider:

weird..

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stuarta:

that sounds like a test machine to me.... :)

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caitlin:

except that it's a half height machine, so no space for a tuner card :/

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Dibblah:

Main system: 1Tb fileserver with 2 Skystar DVB-s cards. 1 slave backend with 2 Skystars. Test system: 1 combined FE / BE with a Nova-T and a Budget-DVBs card. Backup onto a seperate machine with 1.4Tb...

[13:07:02]

caitlin:

unless i used a usb one, but it's not got usb2 so i'd guess i'd die a death of bandwidth

[13:07:08]

Dibblah:

So... Yeah. I have a testsystem in order to not get my arse kicked over Neighbors.

[13:07:17]

caitlin:

heh

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Merlin83b:

Argh, more compile errors :<

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caitlin:

apt-get build-dep mythtv << that bit doesn't work :/

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laga:

caitlin: umm, maybe you need to add a deb-src line?

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Juski:

ahh the mirror smashing pikey dude.. he's migrated to further down the street – saw about half a dozen cars this morning with their door mirrors taped on. wonder if their owners would like a cctv system each :-P

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stuarta:

should have a decent market for those :)

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** Juski wouldn't recommend anybody buy a competitor's product – the 'cheap' ones are totally rubbish according to an installers forum **

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Juski:

but then, the ones we make cost like £16,500 for a 16 camera recorder!

[13:12:10]

Juski:

(plus distributor markup)

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** stuarta schedules a kernel upgrade to a xen kernel for wed.... **

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caitlin:

i dunno what we use

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caitlin:

me must have like 30+ cameras in a room

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caitlin:

me = we

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Juski:

eeks.. where's that?

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caitlin:

internet compant

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Merlin83b:

Zen

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caitlin:

GET OFF MY HOSTNAME :P

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Merlin83b:

:-)

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Juski:

hmmm.. my other mythbox can't transcode the stream either :-/

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Juski:

different messages so presumably the code is different

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Zider:

hahahaha! some moron just managed to blow his engine right outside my apartment :D

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** Juski wonders how mythtv can play this file alright, yet mythtranscode farts **

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Juski:

diff'rent libs or summink

[13:37:43]

Juski:

good afternoon ivor

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stuarta:

waddaz ffmpeg think of the file?

[13:38:02]

ivor:

Juski: heh. forgot I wasn't in the channel

[13:38:07]

Juski:

stuarta: I dunno.. will hev a looksee

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ivor:

too much b*llocks the other day.

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Juski:

ugh. no manuel-page for ffpmeg?

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stuarta:

ffmpeg -i file

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Juski:

interesting (thanks btw stuarta)...

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laga:

Juski: i suppose that playback of a file is different from fiddling with the files internals and re-organizing stuff

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Juski:

bitrate is reported differently for one thing

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stuarta:

pastebin?

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Juski:

http://pastebin.ca/58010

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stuarta:

fairly standard

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Juski:

ah.. mythtranscode seems to be saying 6500 kb/s

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** Juski is having a blonde day **

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ivor:

!

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Juski:

wonder if projectx likes it..

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Hviid:

I have a Radeon 9700 gfxcard with tvout, but when I use a S-video -> composite cable, the tv-out doesn't start, I have to use S-video -> S-video, to start the tvout, before I can use the S-video -> composite, anybody knows why?

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Juski:

Hviid: prolly something to do with the way the card detects you have something plugged in

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ivor:

sounds like the cards detecting available outputs and your svideo convertor isn't triggering it. I guess find if there's a way to force the driver to output or work out how it detects and change your cable

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Hviid:

well that sucks :S because I have to use composite to get color :S

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Juski:

buy a better TV or a proper video card :-P

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ivor:

or option 3. figure out why you can't get svideo in colour

[13:49:26]

ivor:

hold on how many options is that.

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Juski:

enough...

[13:49:32]

ivor:

6.

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Juski:

does the TV have svideo in?

[13:49:57]

Zider:

maybe your svideo>composite adapter is bad

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ivor:

bad adapter, baaad adapter, to your room.

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caitlin:

mine used to do that till i got the right driver in

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Juski:

they're usually just a capacitor from C to Y anyway

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Juski:

very messy

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Hviid:

hmm, I can get S-video in color on the tv, but it flickers

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Hviid:

so I run i trough my DVD-surround system

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Juski:

blimey projectx likes this file

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stuarta:

projectx likes just about everything

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Juski:

maybe I should run mythtranscode with --verbose all & send the output to the ML

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Juski:

damn dvb crap juggling all the packets around

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Juski:

there've even been some files I've had in the past that played fine, but I couldn't do anything else with. who knows how a standalone pvr would cope

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Juski:

still – gonna have a new toy to play with soon

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defaultro:

morning guys, anyone using mythweb here?

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defaultro:

I'm interested on how to integrate gallery into mythweb such as this, http://irishmark.co.uk/mythweb/gallery

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caitlin:

isn't that a bit vulnerable

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** caitlin changes all the recording shedules **

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Dibblah:

"I don't want to get into checking this this setting and tweaking that

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Dibblah:

setting because the root of this problem has to lie in the myth playback

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Dibblah:

code."

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scopeuk:

defaultro id say cancel that futurama recording kif gets knocked up is a crap episode

[14:31:33]

Dibblah:

Translation: It's broken for me. Fix it Fix it Fix it.

[14:31:57]

defaultro:

scopeuk, huh?

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armand:

anyone else fucking with his recordings? :)

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caitlin:

since he's asking how to DO what's on that site, i'm guessing it's not even *his*

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defaultro:

it's not mine

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Dibblah:

It's also password protected ;)

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defaultro:

I just saw it here, http://threebit.net/mail-archive/mythtv-dev/msg00540.html

[14:33:05]

armand:

damn foreigners and their foreign lineups :) where's the workout channl

[14:33:20]

defaultro:

so guys, how do I implement gallery in mythweb?

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armand:

oh look at that, it is passworded

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jams:

ivor do you have a 3com audrey?

[14:34:07]

defaultro:

so no one here does know how to implement gallery in mythweb?

[14:34:21]

armand:

not me, i only use mythweb for myth

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

got to talk to xris tonight

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scopeuk:

defaultro im gussign ti wil lbe called mythweb gallery or some such

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defaultro:

yep, i downloaded the latest version and it's not there

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defaultro:

i'll talk to xris tonight

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scopeuk:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2006-February/044628.html

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scopeuk:

its a plugin but it isent finished yet from what i can see

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defaultro:

lol, that's the same link I sent earlier

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scopeuk:

i wasent on

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Dibblah:

"Soz boss, rude ladz only" – Nice.

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defaultro:

have you guys tried .20? how is it?

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gbee:

terrible :p

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defaultro:

k

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gbee:

defaultro: depends on a few things, like are you a DVB user?

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stuarta:

0.20? what are you talking about....

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defaultro:

atsc user

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gbee:

well then there are a lot of improvements to that area of the code

[14:40:39]

defaultro:

oh cool

[14:40:54]

defaultro:

what other cool things have been added?

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gbee:

DVD menus are supported, openGL menus

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stuarta:

once a few more patches go in I'll be happy.

[14:41:05]

defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

by the way, i noticed that mplayer is better when playing videos that the built in

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defaultro:

for .19

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scopeuk:

then use it

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gbee:

errm, sure there is more (for non-UK users)

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scopeuk:

its burried in the options somewhere

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defaultro:

it's because, from what I know, if a program is encoded in progressive, you should not deinterlance it

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scopeuk:

we need an xmltv alternative

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scopeuk:

its useless imho

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gbee:

the builtin player will only improve as more people use it and provide feedback (that's feedback not demands btw)

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

the built in player is good though

[14:43:09]

scopeuk:

good is a compliment

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gbee:

scopeuk: I'm guessing you're in the UK so is EIT not an alternative for you??

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defaultro:

i just see some lines when forwarding

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scopeuk:

"good but i find aspects x y and z could be improved" is constructive

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defaultro:

scanlines i mean

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scopeuk:

gbee im uk yes

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defaultro:

but i don't see those scanlines in mplayer

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defaultro:

anyways, I'm still very happy with mythtv, it is awesome

[14:45:04]

gbee:

I'm working on some minor changes to bring Myth into line with the latest xmltv, which should make it easier to configure

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scopeuk:

cool

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defaultro:

gbee, you mean when capturing/scanning channels?

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gbee:

if you're in the UK, EIT is the only alternative but it's good enough for most, requires zero configuration and no internet connection

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scopeuk:

its great so long as you have a dvb tuner

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defaultro:

gbee, im in us

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scopeuk:

yeh think it was directed at me defaultro

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defaultro:

gbee, the last time i remember is, i go in mythtv-setup then scan channels, then modify each channels manually to match xmltv id

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scopeuk:

yeh if your in the us why arnt you usign zap to it

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defaultro:

I do

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scopeuk:

but that is prety much what we do

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defaultro:

once i run mythfilldatabase, it gets populated

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defaultro:

i got to go guys

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gbee:

that's not going to change, at least not immediately, but I'll take a look at creating an easier interface to match the ID against the channel

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scopeuk:

yeh

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gbee:

but with regards to actually setting up the list of channels to download data for etc, that should be easier

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scopeuk:

be nice

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** gbee wonders if he isn't painting himself into a corner ;) **

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stuarta:

gbee: you've mentioned you might do it, so now the wolves will chase you...

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gbee:

I had already done much of the work until I accidently reverted without making a backup ...

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scopeuk:

sounds familier

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scopeuk:

i accidentaly deleated 3 gig of riped tracks :-(

[14:57:03]

scopeuk:

im not going to force you hell its your time

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scopeuk:

althoguh it hwould be appreciated ;-)

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ivor:

jams: yes. why?

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ivor:

jams: got 2... or maybe three.

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jams:

ivor- just wondering how they are working for you

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jams:

found some for ~$100 cant decide if I want to try one or not

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ivor:

jams: yeah thats about what I paid for them.

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ivor:

just a bit of fun. not really 'that' useful. jsut funky to have.

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gbee:

nothing brightens my day being fined for going overdrawn

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Zider:

order some for my lappy too ;)

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scopeuk:

gbee you sen that thing about being able to claim all your bacnking chages for the last 6 years back?

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gbee:

nope?

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scopeuk:

my dad mentioned it yesterday

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scopeuk:

they have over charged almost every one and there is soemthing your optehr you can do to get it back

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scopeuk:

ill get the details off him when he gets home

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gbee:

thanks, could be worth knowing

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scopeuk:

http://www.bankcharges.info/

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scopeuk:

have a look ^^^

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scopeuk:

any one in uk

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Juski:

uh?

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scopeuk:

being able to claim back bank charges

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Juski:

what bank charges?

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scopeuk:

they over charge or somethign and you can claim back againstthem apparently

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Juski:

ah

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scopeuk:

the site explains it far better than i could

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Juski:

time I was going home anyway

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Juski:

laters, all

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scopeuk:

ok catch you later jsuki

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scopeuk:

i may be comming to lug

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armand:

i just took a lug

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armand:

almost stopped the toilet

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scopeuk:

shudder

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ivor:

expect he did

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beavis:

are there any mythtv packages for dapper?

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stuarta:

I'm not waiting till wed, I'm going for the xen upgraded kernel tonight...

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** stuarta starts mourning for his 73 day uptime.... **

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scopeuk:

its not gonan be long before kernal hot swop is possible

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scopeuk:

build redundancy into your power supply and componants and you have near gaurented 100% uptime

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stuarta:

yep, though this is DIY computer with no redundancy whatsoever....

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** stuarta considers a backup... **

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scopeuk:

stuarta yeh i have several

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scopeuk:

although vital data is splitamongs sytems

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sixy:

Hi there. does anyone know if its possible to run irxevent as a daemon?

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stuarta:

this has potential -> http://www.freecom.com/ecproduct_detail.asp?I . . . sCatID=80602

[16:10:58]

Juski:

expensive though

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stuarta:

still have no idea what I'd buy

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Juski:

with hd coming 'soonish' it's all angling on PCs right now

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stuarta:

might just get an external drive and a nslug

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scopeuk:

the kuro box is a sweet piece ofkit too

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stuarta:

kuro box?

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Juski:

?

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scopeuk:

its prety much a slug with added ram and an internal ide connector

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stuarta:

can you actually get hold of them?

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scopeuk:

i belvie so

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scopeuk:

its a while scicne i looked

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** Juski hands scopeuk a mavis beacon CD **

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scopeuk:

http://www.revogear.com/

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scopeuk:

lol Juski

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scopeuk:

ill try harder

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scopeuk:

now to make xmltv work "again"

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scopeuk:

its a softwre upgrade this time juski

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scopeuk:

not my fault par see

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scopeuk:

hi xris

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sixy:

have you looked at squeezebox stuarta?

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xris:

morning (for me)

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Juski:

can squeezebox even play video?

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scopeuk:

i dotn belvie so

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Juski:

kinda rules it out then

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jams:

it doesnt' play video

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scopeuk:

linkstation?

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scopeuk:

linktheater*

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Juski:

planning for the future, we need something that can play HD h.264

[16:33:23]

Juski:

oh and it'd have to have HDMI output

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Juski:

scopeuk: kind of a personal question but how much do you pay gas/electric a month?

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scopeuk:

Juski i dont know i still lvie at home and my dad pays it

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Juski:

heh

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scopeuk:

im 18 and ive not finsihed education yet

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Juski:

I think our electric meter is faulty

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** Sedorox is 20 and not done edumakachein yet **

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Juski:

they've got us as using 1kw/H non stop, which just can't be right

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rhacer:

has anyone gutted an old DVD player or VCR to put their MythTV comp inside?

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Juski:

I found one page where someone did it... looked shite

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rhacer:

that bad huh?

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rhacer:

I'm trying to pick some equipment now.

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rhacer:

I want something nice and quiet

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MORA:

mini-itx fanless ?

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scopeuk:

Juski 1kw/h is major power usage

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Juski:

no shit

[16:49:02]

scopeuk:

its like havign the ketal on 1/2 hour

[16:49:22]

Juski:

yep

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Juski:

1kw/h all day.. 24kw/h per day... big bills

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Juski:

it's not a PC.. you'd be able to smell the heat lol

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scopeuk:

how often is it clockingit?

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scopeuk:

drawrign 1kw for an hour eg 1kw/h is perfectly normal

[16:51:17]

scopeuk:

1kw/h is like 7p

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Juski:

try 10p

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scopeuk:

is it

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scopeuk:

wow you up high

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Juski:

yep

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Juski:

the bills never say precisely how much everything costs or explain the sliding scale of the cost/unit

[16:53:22]

Juski:

we're going through 24 units per day according to the meter

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Juski:

they (ahem) never go faulty, these electronic meters, they reckon

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Juski:

'they' being the electric company

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nero_office:

Juski, I feel ya man..

[16:54:40]

nero_office:

A meter reader read ours wrong once.. suddenly we had a $4200 electric bill for one month..

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

one pc left on & all the other crap on standby does not come to 1kW

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nero_office:

and the electric company didn't want to beleive us.. finally I demanded a reader come out.. which they did.. and realized that a 4 was really a 2 or something like that..

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Juski:

at least it _shouldn't_ come to 1kW

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nero_office:

doesnt a typical PC draw 200–300kw while idle??

[16:55:56]

nero_office:

and in standby, they draw almost nothing..

[16:56:01]

nero_office:

er..

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Juski:

mythtv backend draws about 80W

[16:56:06]

nero_office:

200–300 watts that is..

[16:56:40]

laga:

Juski: do you have a power meter handy to measure that s100?

[16:56:41]

nero_office:

yeah.. unless you have an AC or a bunch of lights on, 1kW sounds quite high..

[16:56:44]

Juski:

TV on standby is 15W

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Juski:

laga: gonna borrow one from work

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Juski:

I know why the gas is high – wife always has the fucking heating on

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laga:

Juski: nice. because i don't know where to borrow one :)

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Juski:

might just buy one – only about Â£15

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laga:

sure. but i'd rather spend that money on cigs ;)

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Juski:

tells ya voltage, frewuency, current and even cost if you enter the cost/unit

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Juski:

oh VA & power too

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Juski:

I know a guy who has a family of 5 & they don't get bills as high as us

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laga:

i always get yelled at in january... "turn those bloody computers off!!" :)

[17:00:48]

scopeuk:

yeh family of 4 here (5 if you count my brohters semi resident gf)

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scopeuk:

laga reply your kettle uses more power in oneboil than this does in 5 hours

[17:01:49]

laga:

scopeuk: yeah. but my mom ain't boiling water 24/7

[17:02:04]

scopeuk:

laga ive had similar conversation with ym grandpearents

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scopeuk:

my dad understands the issue

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laga:

heck, i sometimes don't even get warm lunch :)

[17:02:49]

scopeuk:

been there

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Juski:

maybe buying that 100kW shower was a baaad idea ;-)

[17:03:21]

scopeuk:

you mean 10kw

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Juski:

kidding

[17:03:36]

scopeuk:

heh we have a 9.5kw

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Juski:

wanted a one run off the boiler

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scopeuk:

my sister use to sit init for like an hour

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Juski:

wifey said no dice.. ("what if the boiler breaks?")

[17:04:00]

scopeuk:

huge elctricity bills

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Juski:

then _I FIX IT !_

[17:04:13]

scopeuk:

then the heating whould be out and it wouldbe too cold to shower

[17:04:39]

** Juski wonders if a divorce would be cheaper **

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scopeuk:

lol

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Juski:

ooo /clear works

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laga:

i usually run out of warm water after 15 minutes. crappy.

[17:05:39]

Juski:

(phew)

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scopeuk:

heh we have a big tank

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scopeuk:

holds enoug hwater tofill the bath with water too hot to get in

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laga:

nice

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scopeuk:

put the imersion ehater on and it steams when it comes out the tap

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scopeuk:

measured at 90 C

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laga:

i usually take my dad's share of warm water away *snickers*

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laga:

always a nice start into the day. :)

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Juski:

immersion heaters are _so_ 1950s though.. expensive

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speedsix:

Hi all

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scopeuk:

hi

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laga:

hi sp

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laga:

speedsix:

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scopeuk:

Juski house was built in the 70's an it was fitted then

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Juski:

speedsix :)

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** laga goes back to studying **

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speedsix:

How is everybody this evening (afternoon/morning)

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Juski:

monday! :-/

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laga:

flying to the US would get me another few hours.. *ponders ordering a plane ticket*

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laga:

Juski: i have thursday off :)

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speedsix:

monday sucketh tis' true

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laga:

naw, thursday, wednesday and friday are the worst days

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scopeuk:

i can have3 tommorow off i think

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speedsix:

I could never get the hang of thursdays

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laga:

shitty schedule

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laga:

anyways, afk

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Juski:

if I can get to Friday 4pm without a major event I'm good

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Juski:

later, laga

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speedsix:

Ok chaps heres one for ya. How would I give back focus to Myth everytime it recieves an LIRC command?

[17:12:37]

speedsix:

My frontend box is also my main comp and some of the menus don't function with LIRC when myth loses focus

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speedsix:

multi screen setup ya see

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speedsix:

I'll leave you to ponder that, back in a min food

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speedsix:

;)

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Juski:

netsplit?

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scopeuk:

yup

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Juski:

I might get into a better mood when I can actually see this desk

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scopeuk:

Juski know that feeling

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Juski:

my work in the littlest room is done, so I can tidy my den

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ol_schoola:

i detest working in bathrooms

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scopeuk:

my oom is my den

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ol_schoola:

why people want a 650 USD zone of sound in the crapper is beyond me

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Juski:

$650 a zone?

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Juski:

eek!

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Juski:

that's like 1/4 of my monthly pay

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jams:

whole house audio?

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ol_schoola:

two speakers $400 (that's as bottom as i go), 136 watt volume control, 14/4 back to the multi-room amp

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ol_schoola:

two channels worth of amp

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ol_schoola:

those would be Sonance 622 in ceilings

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ol_schoola:

yeah, muti-room

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** jams is looking into that now **

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jams:

know of anything good that is IP based?

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ol_schoola:

Escient or Sonos for sound

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jams:

Sonos does look good despite the initial price

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ol_schoola:

Kaleidascape, Escient, Xperinet for video servers

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ol_schoola:

i think Xperinet is mythplugins minus the PVR

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ol_schoola:

the contractor/dealer has to slip DeCSS in by hand !

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jams:

heh

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ol_schoola:

almost identical QT screens / UI nav

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ol_schoola:

list view

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ol_schoola:

i'm playing with Sqeezeboxes right now, very very fun

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jams:

messed with emulators as well as the roku soundbridge

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ol_schoola:

excellent solution for iPod/iTunes people always asking how to "hook up my iPod to the theatre"

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ol_schoola:

i always wanted to fart with Roku, the distributor never calls back

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jams:

I wouldn't bother :)

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ol_schoola:

the booth babe at last years CEDIA was hooooooot tho :)

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ol_schoola:

the Photobridge looks like it would be perfect for the retired crowd

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jams:

people seem to like it

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rhacer:

so with these tiny mini-itx cases where does one put the encoders and HDs? I've found some nifty cases, but none that will hold three encoders and a 3.5" HDD.

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jams:

what I like about the sonos vs squeezebox is the built in amp/speakers

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jams:

rhacer- most people use those as frontend only. The tuners sit in another computer located elsewhere

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ol_schoola:

me too!

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speedsix:

Anyone any suggestions where to start looking into this focus problem? cheers

[17:28:47]

Juski:

eyetest?

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rhacer:

jams, one of my tuners will be HDTV, so I need to be near my cable box.

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Juski:

I am appalled by home much whole-house audio kit costs. there's not much to it. fools & money... nice game to be in, I bet

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ol_schoola:

The Ultimate Media Center Enclosure: http://tinyurl.com/ne39l

[17:30:15]

Juski:

ugh!

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jams:

Juski- I agree it is a bit high

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Juski:

look thru saturday's log for a much better one ;-)

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ol_schoola:

a guyhere in Chicago has his hands on a pre-release unit

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ol_schoola:

i really must go see this thing

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jams:

ol_schoola- your in chicago?

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Juski:

looks like an obese xbox

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ol_schoola:

yep

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jams:

nice

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ol_schoola:

u?

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jams:

milwuakee here, but I work in schaumburg

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ol_schoola:

that's right, i first chatted with you during a t-storm, my power got hit

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jams:

well a combo of home and schaumburg

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Juski:

schaumburg rings a bell to me, dunno why

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ol_schoola:

Motorola

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ol_schoola:

corp HQ

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Juski:

that'd be it

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ol_schoola:

formerly the home of the world's largest indoor shopping mall

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** Juski used to work for a firm who made SmartZone servers **

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ol_schoola:

Juski: whole house audio can be done dirt cheap and look/sound that way or it can be done very well, on a modest budget

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jams:

yeah thats it

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** jams works down the street from motorla **

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Juski:

yeh but get a guy in to do it and erm... $$$$$

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ol_schoola:

when i say modest, i'm speaking from a POV of customers in the 1.5 – 3 million range

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jams:

hehe

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jams:

sooo ol_schoola what kind of deals can you get me on the hardware ;)

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ol_schoola:

Juski: get a guy? that guy should be a licensed electrician, carpenter, drywaller, fabricator, have at LEAST an associates (EET) froma reputable school, understand HVAC and plumbing, continue education (like docs, lawyers), the list is endless

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ol_schoola:

we are the least understood trade yet it is the stuff that people use all day long

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ol_schoola:

intelligent lighting control/architecture, security, automation, networking

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ol_schoola:

jams: pm

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jams:

the integration is the big thing

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ol_schoola:

exactly

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jams:

no one wants the equilvent of 30 tv remotes for the house

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ol_schoola:

rs-232, -422, IR (that's a whole college degree right there), not to mention AMX and Crestron programming

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ol_schoola:

yah needs the C skills for that stuff

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scopeuk:

amx == evil

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scopeuk:

great technology (big fan of the 3piun xlr stuff) but i cant program for it

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ol_schoola:

http://tinyurl.com/ne39l and match that up with http://www.mynevo.com/html.php?page_id=22

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ol_schoola:

of course you'd have to reload the thing with linux and myth :)

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scopeuk:

the remote is jsut sweet

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ol_schoola:

scopeuk: i never drank the Kool-aid, too involved, but there are die-hard dealers that love it

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ol_schoola:

the Nevo is where we will end up, the underlying technology is perfect

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scopeuk:

whats bets its more than my anual incoem to own one?

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ol_schoola:

Control4 has a very interesting use of 802.14 (ZigBee)

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scopeuk:

id lvoe to setup the hosue for full av distribution prefereably over ip

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scopeuk:

but the cost and lack of giveig na damn from any oen else that lives here hasent encoraged me

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ol_schoola:

look at Global Cache and a processor called a Waki

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ol_schoola:

that will be right up your alley

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scopeuk:

heh much asim a computer geek im mroe of an av geek minus the budget

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scopeuk:

im 18 now and ive been teching live gigs scince i was 12

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ol_schoola:

funs stuff. we finished a club in the city last year. the guy actually gave us a budget for a solid fixed install

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ol_schoola:

18kW of goodness, Apogee cabinets at the stage and two fill areas, JBL Control 5's VIP and patio, (4) dual 18" JBL SRX subs, Crest 7000's, 9001, Ashley processor, LX-7 console, Lexicon effects, and all the dbx comp-lims you can shake a stick at

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scopeuk:

v.nice

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ol_schoola:

the whole thing is powered off of a 120 amp sub-panel with all feeders on isolated ground plane, Furman 20 amp protectoin , middle atlantic sequential powerup of 4 20amp ckts and a 30amp ckt for the 99001

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ol_schoola:

9001

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ol_schoola:

no grou8nd loops in this sucker but boy did i get burnt out on soldering up neutic xlrs

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scopeuk:

lol

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ol_schoola:

neutrik

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scopeuk:

i bet

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ol_schoola:

plus, working in a sticky, dingy nightclub all thru the day, icky

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jams:

sounds nasty

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scopeuk:

yeh

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jams:

there is a reason they use low lights

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scopeuk:

with me it a youth club

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scopeuk:

small hall and we run 1kw rms

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ol_schoola:

they hosted one of the two Lollapalooza after parties right after we finished, we brought in a pro engineer to mix that night, the house guy was too scared to handle a headliner

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scopeuk:

have to say ive never backed down fro ma gig

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scopeuk:

even when weve lost the desk and blown 2 out of 3 amps i stil lwent for it

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scopeuk:

puleld it off two

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scopeuk:

ammazing what you can do witha fex jack leads a cupple of di's and soem gitar amps

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ol_schoola:

ahhh ha ha ha. you really DO mix it up. failures. gotta love em. wouldn't be fun without the searing panic!

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scopeuk:

nope

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scopeuk:

best one was when we i got down there only to fidn we had a gig in 30 mins

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scopeuk:

setting up 3 amps 6 speakers and a desk in 30 mins is quuite exciting

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scopeuk:

if terifying

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scopeuk:

nuthing quite liek that rush though

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ol_schoola:

lost a power strip right in the midfdle of my buddies wedding! lights, sound. all bye-bye

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scopeuk:

harsh

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ol_schoola:

he's a pro DJ so i stood in for him at his own

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scopeuk:

yeh

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ol_schoola:

so he really didn't mind

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scopeuk:

cool

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scopeuk:

there is an art form to continuity

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ol_schoola:

plus, it was a heavy metal gig of all things, pro DJ plays pop and hip hop to his customers but loves thrash

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scopeuk:

heh most dj's/techs seam to like metal

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scopeuk:

eg when were palying pre recodred stuff its all pop and hip hop witha bit of rock thrown in

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scopeuk:

my personal call normaly metal usually power metal

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ol_schoola:

lucky bastard get to DJ all the fasion shows at Macy/Fields, Saks, etc in the springtime

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scopeuk:

nic

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scopeuk:

e

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ol_schoola:

backstage, spinning music while the 18yo models change

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scopeuk:

i qualify myself as a tech rarther than a dj though

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scopeuk:

yeh its terible isent it

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ol_schoola:

holy crap. 2.5 hours to mythcommflag --all --rebuild --hogcpu on 160 gigs

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ol_schoola:

and i reniced it to -19

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jams:

ol_schoola- is your nick registered?

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Juski:

scopeuk: dj/techs liking metal? no way!

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ol_schoola:

jams: whoops!

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ol_schoola:

brb

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** Juski is housey thru & thru **

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scopeuk:

ok

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Juski:

glad to be out of the game though

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scopeuk:

all i knwo is that my sub is louder than my borhers enter sound rig

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scopeuk:

its all thats required

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scopeuk:

yeh

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Juski:

I almost became a mobile DJ again but thought better of it.. its _really_ not cool

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Juski:

customers suck too :-P

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armand:

then you came to your senses ;)

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Juski:

too many cowboys doing the undercutting thang

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Juski:

when I 1st ran a show I used to say "you go get em" whenever a customer said their mate billy would do it for Â£20

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ol_schoola:

Juski: epidemic

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ol_schoola:

they're called "trunk slammers"

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Juski:

I hope they all get busted by the MPAA :-D

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Juski:

RIAA whoever

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Juski:

MCPS in the UK

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ol_schoola:

not qualified to be cabling, opening up walls, uninsured/licensed

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ol_schoola:

Juski: oops, wrong subject

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Juski:

I don't trust 'professionals' here. found a receipt for the rewire from 7 years ago... and I'm still finding wires covered in sellotape

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xris:

ol_schoola: all cable/phone installers in the US are that bad.

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xris:

I had to show the cable installer how to fish a wire 8 inches through my wall so he wouldn't drill outside through the siding on my house.

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Juski:

house just down the street had an extension built a few months ago – today they had 2 vans there all day putting it right

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ol_schoola:

no kidding. here in chicago, most comcast contractors are eastern european immigrants that get in, get out and leave a wake of disaster behind them

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Juski:

I heard a tale of a Polish electrician gang down south, who erm.. installed an electric shower in a cubicle. great apart from the 13A socket it was plugged into, inside the cubicle

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ol_schoola:

xris: they are trained to ONLY giftwrap and puncture the home, no fishing allowed per the supervisors

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jams:

got that right. I recently redid my phone lines. The guy before me installed it under the baseboard, but also feed the line and out of the wall around the studs.

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ol_schoola:

it might not be the right way but it is policy at most cablecos

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jams:

twenty foot run of cable went in and out of the wall 8 times

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xris:

ol_schoola: they're usually happy to help ME do it, but yeah.. annoying. the guy who installed my recent line was genuinely interested in learning how.. just good I have my own equipment.

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Juski:

evening stuarta

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stuarta:

evening Juski

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Juski:

evening WillCooke too

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Juski:

doing some theme mangling – very therapeutic :)

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stuarta:

absolute failure on the kernel upgrading front

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Juski:

ouchio

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WillCooke:

hello hello!

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stuarta:

got the xen domO up fine, but the FE locked it solid

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Scopeuk_:

stuata fall back to old oen by moddign your boot loade thendrop new one in again?

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Juski:

I realised a short while ago I'm gonna be expected to upload photos of the expo.. and for that I need to mount a USB card reader in linux... never done that before

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Juski:

I'll leave the genning up on usbfs or whatever til later, assuming umbongo does it all seamlessly

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stuarta:

tried my alternate new kernel 2.6.16.16, attempting to watch livetv cause horrible kernel errors

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Juski:

eew!

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stuarta:

back to my tried & trusty 2.6.15.6

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Juski:

drivers still in a state of flux then?

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stuarta:

looks like it.

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Juski:

that's the thing I found about homemade kernels.. you soon learn to keep the old 'un

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WillCooke:

Juski: yeah umbungo will mount it and ask if you want to import the pictures

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Juski:

cool.. that's how I likes it :)

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stuarta:

didn't have time to debug things, due to recording starting now...

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stuarta:

farenheit 9/11 for those who are interested...

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Juski:

just on 'improving' MythCenter for da show.. it looks much nicer with the real mythtv logo

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Scopeuk_:

you showing project grey ham?

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Juski:

.. and with a blue button bar

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Juski:

nah

[20:05:14]

Juski:

it's on the machine

[20:06:07]

Juski:

I took the backgrounds off the watermarks of mythcenter too.. much prefer them that way

[20:06:17]

WillCooke:

Oooh – lots of work on DVB-T HD is going on I see – cool!

[20:06:42]

stuarta:

sort of...

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Juski:

WillCooke: don't sweat it, by the time the rest of us get it it'll be all done ;)

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WillCooke:

:) By the time I get an HD telly..........

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Juski:

I think 2 or more years is enough time...

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Scopeuk_:

i can do hd output

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Scopeuk_:

although i dotn think the box whould handle it

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Juski:

yeh still frames – my epia will do em

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Scopeuk_:

i have a suitable otuput device for it 2

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Juski:

if I start saving up now I might just be able to afford a 1080 res. TV

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Juski:

don't want any of that downscaling crap :-P

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Scopeuk_:

lol mine goes to a crt monitor atm

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WillCooke:

Juski: Next time you're at the motorway services have a look at how many plasma's they've got – they won't miss one

[20:09:39]

Juski:

a 16:9 crt monitor?

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Scopeuk_:

no its 4:3

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Juski:

WillCooke: they'll all be burned with the moto logo

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WillCooke:

:)

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Scopeuk_:

16:9 whould be random

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Juski:

Scopeuk_: hard lines fella. HD is 16:9

[20:10:39]

Scopeuk_:

hell its not lie kmy myth could capture hd any way

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Scopeuk_:

it whould burn if i jsut put the code in

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Juski:

though nobody seems to mind fatvision in my relatives' houses

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Scopeuk_:

lol

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Scopeuk_:

i always got leterbox

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Juski:

oh bollocks. I can't upload to my ftp

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Scopeuk_:

sup with it?

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Juski:

oh wait – it's just sloooow

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Juski:

tada : http://www.juski.co.uk/newtheme.png

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Scopeuk_:

they reacon dns is screwed again

[20:13:50]

Scopeuk_:

possible ddos

[20:14:05]

Scopeuk_:

cable forum this is

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Scopeuk_:

althoguh ive not had any issues

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WillCooke:

ooo – pretty

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Juski:

chetnet ?

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Scopeuk_:

www.cableforum.co.uk

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Juski:

no widescreen displays available for the show :-/

[20:14:53]

Scopeuk_:

damn

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Scopeuk_:

i dotn have any widescreen gear

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Juski:

I'd take my telly, but ermm... it's like 40kg

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Scopeuk_:

id take mine but its a 17 inch portable 4:3

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Juski:

rofl

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stuarta:

ah the dvb api arguments aren't getting any more sensible....

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WillCooke:

stop at the services on the way there

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** Juski is not a tea-leaf! **

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WillCooke:

I thought you were a Manc?! :))

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Juski:

actually no – all the times I've had to buy their sarnies I coulda paid for a bloody plasma

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Scopeuk_:

heh stop by services and "borrow" one oftheres

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Juski:

I've had an idea though...

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stuarta:

did that hurt?

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Juski:

nah it'd be too naff... make a 'front' for the TV... window it off

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Scopeuk_:

lol

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Scopeuk_:

bit of card?

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WillCooke:

Blue Peter!

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Scopeuk_:

run it in leterbox

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stuarta:

my granny had a tv in a wooden box...

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Juski:

HD conversion kit – a la Currys

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Scopeuk_:

lol

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Juski:

stuarta: ae they still bickering about the API? god I hate it when egos get in the way of development

[20:19:35]

stuarta:

yep, it's a game of ping pong atm

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Scopeuk_:

heh abstract the damn thing for interfacign to those that wanna work then let the api folks write em as they damn well please

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Scopeuk_:

chose the better performing one

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stuarta:

current argument is between KISS & the lot....

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Scopeuk_:

how bout a brach compare the performance and test it

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Scopeuk_:

let those that wanan go each way do as they please

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Dibblah:

Trac on holday again. Lucky trac :(

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Juski:

scopeuk_: forking hell ?

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Scopeuk_:

;-)

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Scopeuk_:

branch in svn should do it

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Scopeuk_:

let em debate the pros and cons ofeach when there implimented

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Juski:

it's already nigh on religious as it is

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Dibblah:

stuarta: Well done on getting fully committed :)

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Dibblah:

When they're implemented it's too late to change anything – Apps start using the API.

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stuarta:

thanks, not much left to do on scanning...

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Dibblah:

They want to avoid another rewrite.

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Scopeuk_:

heh

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Scopeuk_:

no matter whcih htey chose they will eventually test the other

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WillCooke:

oh ****

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WillCooke:

I've just dropped the mysql database instead of the mythconverg one.

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Scopeuk_:

its gaurenteed even if tis only a roouge dev they will

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Scopeuk_:

ok this is weird

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Scopeuk_:

mythfilldatabase runs without any error yet no data is put to the database

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WillCooke:

brb

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Scopeuk_:

k

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Scopeuk_:

juski do you have any displays capeable of beyond standard def

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Scopeuk_:

1024*768 that you can maby ru na hgih def trailer on

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Dibblah:

I was really surprised. Elephant's Dream ran just fine on my XP2600+ / NVidia 6200...

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mchou:

Dibblah: Elephant's Dream?

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mchou:

Dibblah: what's that?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Elephant's Dream just completely failed to play for me in mythtv (as well as with mplayer)

[20:43:03]

Dibblah:

http://www.tribler.org/content/Elephants_Dream_HD.avi.torrent

[20:43:18]

RaYmAn-Bx:

or rather, sound was there..image solid blue

[20:43:26]

Dibblah:

Worked for me :)

[20:43:36]

Dibblah:

http://www.elephantsdream.org/

[20:44:07]

Dibblah:

Of course, apart from a tech demo, it sucked oranges through straws.

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mchou:

Dibblah: is the format mpeg2?

[20:44:21]

Dibblah:

Nope.

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mchou:

Dibblah: what is it?

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Dibblah:

Various mpeg4 flavors.

[20:44:45]

mchou:

Dibblah: ok

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mchou:

Dibblah: so you're saying the movie sucked?

[20:45:17]

Dibblah:

Not a movie.

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ivor:

anyone got a nice mpeg2 hdtv sample file anywhere?

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Dibblah:

Well, not unless you consider 8 minutes a movie.

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mchou:

ivor: google Fusion HDTV

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Dibblah:

Yes. Technically, hell of an achievement.

[20:46:38]

Dibblah:

But... Not on a par with Pixar shorts, obviously.

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stuarta:

ivor: bbc had some decent trailers....

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janneg:

ivor: what's nice. I can record the euro-1080hd trailer

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Dibblah:

Does the previewer call ProcessRequestThread::run?

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Dibblah:

I've just got another backend lock.

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WillCooke:

haha! mysql fixed. huzzah

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mchou:

heh, I should have done this long ago.

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ivor:

mchou: cool got 1440x1088 & 1920x1088 samples off the fusion hdtv site. ta.

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mchou:

ivor: have fun :)

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ivor:

heh. does the 1440x1088 sample at 28% cpu

[21:30:23]

ivor:

the 1920x1088 at 58% cpu.

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ivor:

cool. :)

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mchou:

ivor: what prog and vga card?

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mchou:

proc*

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ivor:

hmm playing the 1440x1088 clip takes about 60% mplaying it through myth.

[21:38:35]

ivor:

although that's a debug build mythtv looks like it won't quite have the power to do 1920x1088.

[21:38:53]

ivor:

mchou: 1.5mhz celeron. :D

[21:39:29]

mchou:

ivor: try xine :)

[21:39:29]

ivor:

unichrome-pro igp.

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mchou:

for playback only

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ivor:

yeah the lower figures were with mplayer.

[21:40:04]

mchou:

myth playback is a hog

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Juski:

unichrome-pro? as in cn400?

[21:40:18]

ivor:

Juski: yeah.

[21:40:26]

Juski:

not epia though I bet

[21:40:31]

Juski:

ah no

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ivor:

Juski: I got pretty good playback on a 1ghz epia actually. but I haven't got it powered up at the moment.

[21:41:38]

mchou:

ivor: what's the nominal idle temp on celly D 1.5?

[21:41:58]

ivor:

perhaps it's time to do a bit of mythfrontend profiling.

[21:42:08]

ivor:

mchou: no idea. it's a celly M actually.

[21:42:29]

ivor:

aha 32C

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Zider:

cell processor? ;)

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mchou:

ivor: ok.

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Juski:

ivor: be interesting to see what happens when mpeg4 is supported.. if it'll do HD mp3g4

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ivor:

oops. boom. :)

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ivor:

playing the short sample in a loop.

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Juski:

oh damn. ntl's dns is on the fritz again

[21:46:24]

ivor:

Juski: depends whether there's anyway to make use of the decoder in the pro for h264 content at all.

[21:46:35]

ivor:

the cn400 only does h263.

[21:46:48]

Juski:

ah. oh well

[21:47:14]

ivor:

the cn900's supposed to do h264. but they don't exist yet.

[21:47:59]

Juski:

I might have to have a 'proper' PC as a frontend at some point then

[21:49:09]

rhacer:

how do you who have an Digital HDTV cable box connect Cable box to DVR?

[21:49:54]

rhacer:

my cable box has a DVI connector on the back, are there any DVI encoder cards?

[21:49:55]

mchou:

rhacer: firewire

[21:50:04]

mchou:

lol

[21:50:20]

mchou:

rhacer: wtf would you need that?

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Juski:

lol. DVI.. the PCI bus isn't fast enough

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Zider:

what's the english word for those that owns the apartment building(s) you live in? that you pay rent to and so on

[21:51:06]

Juski:

in any case there's HDCP to contend with

[21:51:11]

Juski:

Zider: landlord

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rhacer:

HDCP?

[21:51:41]

Zider:

hmm.. I thought landlord was just someone that lived in the building and came to fix the plummings and stuff

[21:51:51]

rhacer:

so does the Firewire go to the encoder card? or does it go to a firewire card?

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mchou:

Zider: nope

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Juski:

rhacer: to stop people recording HDTV from cable boxes. high def. content protection

[21:51:58]

Zider:

I see...

[21:52:02]

rhacer:

Ahhh thanks Juski

[21:52:28]

Zider:

well, it's my landlord that has screwed up digital-tv here then..

[21:52:33]

Juski:

but firewire outputs _can_ carry HD out of a cable box.. with restrictions sometimes

[21:52:41]

rhacer:

so you can't really get your HDTV quality at all? I'm guessing that the firewire downgrades the signal?

[21:52:41]

Zider:

they put a central digital-tv decoder in the building

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Juski:

rhacer: you get what the cable co. allow you to get

[21:53:17]

Juski:

which may not be all the cable box lets you watch

[21:53:51]

rhacer:

do I call the cable company to find out? or do I just invest in a firewire interface and try it?

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Zider:

so even if I do get "digital tv" it's decoded to analog before it reaches my outlet

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mchou:

Zider: huh???

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** stuarta attempt to update fc4 -> fc5 via yum :) **

[21:54:49]

Zider:

mchou: yeah that's what I said

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Zider:

stupid morons

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Juski:

rhacer: there is an FCC mandate which stipulates they must provide you with a cable box with firewire output and at least _some_ channels output on that AFAIK

[21:56:04]

Zider:

mchou: they decode the digital signal centrally and puts out analog signal to the apartments.. and no digital signal for us to use.. :P

[21:56:16]

mchou:

Zider: wtf??

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mchou:

Zider: who exactly did this?

[21:56:37]

rhacer:

Juski, I'm guessing that the local broadcast channels would be on that list.

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Zider:

mchou: my landlord

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Juski:

Zider: so they modulate each channel like regular analogue broadcasts? eew

[21:56:54]

mchou:

Zider: where you live?

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Juski:

time to move :)

[21:57:02]

Zider:

mchou: sweden

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mchou:

Zider: that's fubar

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Zider:

it's not a general thing to do in sweden tho.. just around here.. :P

[21:57:26]

Juski:

Zider: you might have a chance using DVB-T with an indoor antenna

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mchou:

Zider: tell the landlord you have a HDTV set

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Zider:

Juski: I won't get cable channels then

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Juski:

ah

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Juski:

like I said, time to move

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Zider:

mchou: they say it's for my benefit, so I don't need to buy a decoder myself.. technically impaired morons..

[21:58:16]

mchou:

Zider: and tell him you dont appreciate using analog with HDTV set

[21:58:37]

Zider:

Juski: I like this area.. and I'll be getting 100/10 fiber soon.. :P

[21:59:07]

Zider:

Juski: right now it's not a big issue with digital-tv but in the future I might get interested.. :P

[21:59:10]

Juski:

maybe if you complain enough they'll hook you up to proper cable... it obviously comes in the buidling

[21:59:41]

Juski:

but with 100mbit fibre you could get good IPTV if there's any going

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Zider:

Juski: others have complained, and they haven't cared so far..

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Zider:

yeah there's IPTV from the ISP.. but they have the worst channels.. :P

[22:00:24]

rhacer:

Juski, so with Firewire I don't need an encoder card?

[22:00:25]

Zider:

like 6 channels, of which 3 are news channels or something..

[22:00:45]

Juski:

rhacer: no, just a firewire port on your PC that works well in linux

[22:01:25]

rhacer:

so I was planning on three capture cards, one of which was HD, now it looks like I need two capture cards (or one dual card) plus a firewire card.

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mchou:

rhacer: you dont need any capture cards besides firewire

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mchou:

cause you get analog SDTV thru firewire too :)

[22:03:11]

mchou:

not to metion it looks better than any PC analog based tuner

[22:03:46]

rhacer:

so one FW connection and I'll get all my channels on my linux box? (all that the Cable company provides) and I can encode as many channels as I like?

[22:04:04]

xris:

rhacer: one channel per cable box at any given moment

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Juski:

rhacer: not quite. some channels are blocked on the firewire port with 5C encryption

[22:04:32]

Juski:

premium channels, sometimes

[22:04:42]

rhacer:

I only get VERY basic cable

[22:04:47]

rhacer:

no premium channels at all.

[22:04:59]

rhacer:

most of the HD I'm interested in is local channels.

[22:05:03]

nyxx:

heh

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rhacer:

and possibly ESPN during the World Cup.

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nyxx:

btw guys, if you have a cheap case like mine and you go to swap out a video card and start the system back up.. remember to make sure the pvr card doesn't come unseated :O

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xris:

rhacer: for example, I get ALL channels except for vh1 (no clue why that one doesn't work), including hbo (which they gave me free for a year)

[22:06:04]

rhacer:

I'm going to want to record more than one channel at once though.

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Juski:

nyxx: that could be nasty

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nyxx:

I just spent 30 minutes trying to figure out why it wasn't seeing my pvr250

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rhacer:

xris: that's cool.

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rhacer:

tonight Alias and 24 and CSI ALL overlap

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rhacer:

to see them all I think I would need at least three streams of encoding.

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Juski:

that'd be at least 2 cable boxes then

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rhacer:

if they're all HD correct?

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Zider:

wouldn't that be 3 cable boxes?

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rhacer:

I can split the cable before it gets to the cable box

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rhacer:

and record two in regular def and one in HD.

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xris:

rhacer: you'd need an analog tuner like a pvr-150 to get the analog stuff, though.

[22:08:56]

rhacer:

so back to my original statement one firewire card for HD and one dual stream or two single stream tuner cards.

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rhacer:

if I'm not mistaken that will cover everything correct?

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xris:

rhacer: for what you want, it should

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rhacer:

cool.

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rhacer:

what do I do to connect the computer to the TV?

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rhacer:

and what's the difference between CC Stream and CC MPEG2?

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|dirk|:

hey guys, I'm still having problems with getting mythtv, can't watch tv just get a blank/black screen

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|dirk|:

I think its an mplayer problem

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|dirk|:

when i try mplayer test.mpg I get a seek error

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janneg:

|dirk|: topic

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janneg:

|dirk|: sorry, this is already users

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xris:

|dirk|: mythtv doesn't use mplayer to play tv

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janneg:

but it's not a mplayer issue since mythtv doesn't use mplayer for tv playback

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janneg:

is that test.mpg a recording of mythtv?

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|dirk|:

I et the test.mpg from cat /dev/video > test.mpg

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skamithi:

hi, anyone use mytharchive to archive recordings made by a go7007 device ? mytharchive reports that it cannot find any streams.. streaminfo.xml says stream count = 0 ... wondering what i'm doing wrong.

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xris:

|dirk|: /dev/video0

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xris:

assuming you have a pvr-x50 card

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|dirk|:

I've read through just about every how-to out there and still can't figure out the problem

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|dirk|:

I have a pvr 250

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xris:

|dirk|: /dev/video0, not /dev/video

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|dirk|:

I meant /dev/video0

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|dirk|:

sorry

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xris:

|dirk|: if you can't play that file with mplayer, then something's not right with your ivtv setup

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|dirk|:

when I run myth and go to watch tv it turns to a black screen for about 15 secs then goes back to the menu

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xris:

yeah, because your card isn't putting out a proper stream

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|dirk|:

is it a bad card, or am I overlooking something

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stuarta:

wonder if lucas will like that idea.

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|dirk|:

I think I'm overlooking something

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xris:

|dirk|: it could be an incompatible card.. there were certain versions of the 250 that aren't compatible with linux

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|dirk|:

hmm..

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xris:

roslyn/blackbird card.. not sure how to identify them

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WAR_CH|LD:

has anyone gotten working on linux a AVerTV DVB-T-A777 PCI card? if so what module is used? or chipset. :)

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|dirk|:

how do I configure ivtv

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xris:

|dirk|: what distro?

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|dirk|:

gentoo

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xris:

much of this should still apply to you: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#capture

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xris:

you're probably just missing a tuner type setting.

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xris:

or, you have an incompatible card.

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janneg:

stuarta: My workflow is the same. svk might be an alternative

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stuarta:

you use svk? I find that quilt suits my purposes and it's simple

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janneg:

not for mythtv but for another project

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janneg:

quilt is well suited for my mythtv development except that I forget the add too often

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stuarta:

liking what I see of svk so far.

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janneg:

I use it for offline svn with full history and branches without cluttering the svn repos

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janneg:

and for recursive grepping it's nice that the working copy does not hold copies

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xris:

janneg: um, that's how svn works.. full history is in the .svn directories

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xris:

only thing svk does is move those into your homedir instead of the individual checkout directories

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mchou:

janneg: that $99 a64 cpu and mobo from fry's is working great. 29C @ idle passive cooling (no fan).

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bedboi:

hi there

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mchou:

51C TDP ROCKS!!

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bedboi:

got some problems running mythtv on debian

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bedboi:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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bedboi:

Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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mchou:

bedboi: authentication??

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mchou:

bedboi: we dont need no stinkin' badges!

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xris:

bedboi: disable selinux?

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bedboi:

mchou: what you mean?

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bedboi:

xris: i don't have selinux

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mchou:

bedboi: never mind. a joke

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bedboi:

just another question related to dvb-t... how do i get the correct channel frequency for my city?

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janneg:

xris: Are you sure? I thought svn needs for svn diff -rold:new or svn annotate repository access.

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bedboi:

*frequencies

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xris:

janneg: svn might, but the data is there. that's why checkouts are so big

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xris:

bedboi: run `mythtbackend -v all` and get a better error message

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xris:

or google for the error that you got

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lu:

right

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