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| [00:02:00] | bba`linux: | mostr: i'll look |
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| [00:11:16] | simcop2387-zauru: | now if only i could get a live stream of a channel through mythtranscode |
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| [00:13:50] | achew22: | When I azap one of my channels I receive this: http://pastebin.com/723679 is my card messed up? |
| [00:14:07] | simcop2387-zauru: | azap? |
| [00:14:14] | achew22: | its aprogram for dvb |
| [00:14:18] | simcop2387-zauru: | ah |
| [00:14:26] | simcop2387-zauru: | i know nothing of dvb |
| [00:14:45] | simcop2387-zauru: | id guess its signal level rather than card though |
| [00:14:54] | achew22: | thats my bet |
| [00:15:06] | achew22: | i'm deciding wheather to and buy a hdtv antenna or what |
| [00:15:43] | simcop2387-zauru: | no clue |
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| [00:18:48] | Juski: | achew22: no signal! |
| [00:19:01] | achew22: | Juski is it antenna? |
| [00:19:09] | Juski: | or the cable |
| [00:19:37] | Juski: | what kind of ant. are you using now? |
| [00:19:55] | achew22: | the antena* |
| [00:20:18] | Juski: | yes.. what kind of antenna are you using now? |
| [00:20:30] | Juski: | indoor / outdoor / what |
| [00:20:31] | achew22: | an old one that people said might work... an old RCA rabbit ears |
| [00:20:33] | achew22: | indoors |
| [00:20:43] | simcop2387-zauru: | that might be it |
| [00:20:47] | Juski: | depends where you live completely |
| [00:20:56] | achew22: | i'm very suburbs |
| [00:21:01] | Juski: | you can buy indoor ones for hdtv I think |
| [00:21:04] | simcop2387-zauru: | where do you live? e.g. country |
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| [00:21:10] | Juski: | best bet is a proper full-on outdoorsy one |
| [00:21:22] | Juski: | high as you can get it |
| [00:21:33] | Weezey: | can I re-run flagging on a recording. |
| [00:21:34] | achew22: | simcop2387 if you cant figure out the country from the command on pastebin i'm not oging to tell you |
| [00:21:34] | Weezey: | ? |
| [00:21:41] | achew22: | Weezey yes |
| [00:21:47] | achew22: | go to job options — commercial flaging |
| [00:21:55] | simcop2387-zauru: | weezy absolutely |
| [00:22:22] | Juski: | Weezey: or run mythcommflag <filename of recording> see mythcommflag --help |
| [00:22:26] | Weezey: | sweet, my recordings didn't have sound, so I got them from my buddy, but the flaggings all wrong. |
| [00:23:24] | achew22: | ahh thats cool |
| [00:23:35] | achew22: | your friend should have nuxexported them to .mpg and .sql file |
| [00:23:40] | achew22: | then you could have imported his flag |
| [00:23:59] | Weezey: | What sql should I export? |
| [00:24:02] | Weezey: | I can get into his machine |
| [00:24:16] | simcop2387-zauru: | tonight im going to write a small webserver in perl for using myth transcode to stream recordings to my zaurus and ill try to write it to stream to anything |
| [00:24:23] | Juski: | Weezey: just reflag it |
| [00:24:33] | Weezey: | Juski: I agree, we're talking 4 hours of tv |
| [00:24:35] | Juski: | the recordedmarkup table is fucking huuuuge |
| [00:25:01] | simcop2387-zauru: | yea the recorded markup table is too big |
| [00:25:39] | simcop2387-zauru: | ive had it up to 12million rows before |
| [00:25:59] | simcop2387-zauru: | dunno what my peak has been |
| [00:29:20] | ole_schoola: | achew22: remember to consider that some stations are from Republic Plaza downtown and others are off Lookout Mountain |
| [00:29:56] | SirPageno: | kormoc you still around |
| [00:30:13] | ole_schoola: | and remember: the antennas are not built ANY different for HDTV. a good antenna from the eighties is the same as a good antenna today |
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| [00:30:53] | simcop2387-zauru: | achew22: i cant view the page so i cant tell :) i have no browsers |
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| [00:31:08] | Mattwj2005: | howdy everyone :) |
| [00:31:15] | ole_schoola: | if you find a Winegard or ChannelMaster retailer, they will more than likely have the knowledge to select the right antenna for you |
| [00:33:02] | Mattwj2005: | I got a software encoding tv tuner.....if I use my frontend and put too much pressure on my backend....what can happen....the frontend/backend are on the same box |
| [00:33:23] | kormoc: | Mattwj2005, your card will start dropping frames |
| [00:33:45] | Mattwj2005: | ok |
| [00:33:54] | Mattwj2005: | anything else? |
| [00:34:06] | kormoc: | the playback on the frontend side will also start dropping frames |
| [00:34:18] | kormoc: | so basically, jerkey plaback and jerkey recordings |
| [00:34:36] | Vantage13_: | i'm getting this in dmesg: "unable to open firmware v4l-cx25840.fw" I have no idea where that firmware file would come from. Using http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=FirmwareVersions I get v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw and v4l-cx2341x-dec.fw when I run ivtv-make-fwpkg but nothing that matches v4l-cx25840.fw |
| [00:34:56] | Vantage13_: | anyone know where I might get that firmware file? |
| [00:35:01] | Mattwj2005: | okay cool....I have a lowend system....just wondering.....I think I am okay though |
| [00:35:19] | SirPageno: | kormoc did you do anything special to setup your environment before that cron job runs? |
| [00:35:31] | kormoc: | SirPageno, not really, nope. Is it not working for you? |
| [00:35:43] | SirPageno: | kormoc it seems as if the PATH isn't set |
| [00:36:10] | kormoc: | ooh, well, I have the paths hardcoded in my live one I think |
| [00:36:12] | SirPageno: | kormoc *can't find startx, so I give full path, then can't find all the commands in startx |
| [00:36:16] | Juski: | no way! I got my 800Mhz box playing 720p mpeg2! |
| [00:36:34] | kormoc: | SirPageno, hrm... maybe it's cause your distro doesn't set it up for cron? |
| [00:36:56] | SirPageno: | kormoc I'll just try and source my profile or something, or maybe figure out why my cron hasn't set it up |
| [00:37:02] | SirPageno: | (im running slackware) |
| [00:37:04] | ole_schoola: | Juski: so does my $59 Sony DVD player |
| [00:37:14] | ole_schoola: | <evil grin> |
| [00:37:30] | Juski: | ole_schoola: 720p is no mean feat for an athlon 800 |
| [00:37:33] | Juski: | I wonder how far I can go with that... |
| [00:37:38] | Juski: | one to test tomorrow |
| [00:37:43] | ole_schoola: | jk, you knew that |
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| [00:37:56] | Juski: | yeah :-P |
| [00:38:00] | kormoc: | SirPageno, yeah, it seems like gentoo sets it up for cron automatically |
| [00:38:01] | Mattwj2005: | Juski you the man |
| [00:38:06] | Juski: | uh? |
| [00:38:15] | Mattwj2005: | yeah that is pretty good |
| [00:38:38] | Juski: | re your q, btw... |
| [00:38:43] | Mattwj2005: | I am actually doing MP4 on mine |
| [00:39:10] | Juski: | the system will just drop frames I think... never really stressed by boxes much |
| [00:39:12] | Mattwj2005: | say what? |
| [00:39:17] | Juski: | *my/by |
| [00:39:24] | Mattwj2005: | oh okay...thanks |
| [00:39:27] | kormoc: | So, Should I spend 3 to 7 thousand dollars on my current car, which I love dearly, or should I buy a new car for 17,000 that I won't really love |
| [00:40:28] | MindHack: | kormoc, buy the new car, then combine the two into a franken-car that you'll love |
| [00:40:56] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [00:41:07] | kormoc: | I'd need to trade in my old car to get the new car, sadly |
| [00:41:13] | MindHack: | oh |
| [00:41:23] | MindHack: | well....I dont know then ;) |
| [00:41:57] | ole_schoola: | kormoc: that's like asking "Should I get a divroce or should I..." |
| [00:42:17] | bba: | mostr the database deletion helped. took me forever because i forgot my password |
| [00:42:22] | bba: | thanks bro. much <3 |
| [00:42:34] | kormoc: | ole_schoola, hehe |
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| [00:42:57] | ole_schoola: | on a smaller scale tho :) |
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| [00:43:16] | Mattwj2005: | I am watching Saved by the Bell.....I feel like i am in the 80s again .... man I love MythTV |
| [00:43:21] | Mattwj2005: | :-P |
| [00:43:27] | kormoc: | heh, my car *is* my primary lady in my life currently :) |
| [00:44:04] | bba: | I am just getting mine going. so, i have not had time to play with it yet, but is it difficult to get video out from my radeon 9200se SVideo connection to my sony Wega TV? |
| [00:44:19] | bba: | kormoc you are a smart person then |
| [00:44:30] | kormoc: | bba, anything involving ati and linux tends to be difficult in the long run. |
| [00:44:48] | bba: | hmm |
| [00:45:04] | bba: | it's all i got access to...ati cards with svideo out |
| [00:45:40] | SirPageno: | bba, i have a radeon 9200 (don't know if it's se or not) |
| [00:45:51] | SirPageno: | bba, and getting TV out was actually kinda painless |
| [00:46:17] | bba: | SirPageno what should I do? Im running fedora core 5 |
| [00:46:34] | SirPageno: | bba go to ati's website, and download the linux drivers |
| [00:46:37] | bba: | ok |
| [00:46:56] | SirPageno: | bba, i got mine in an rpm (hehe, it's prolly they only rpm on my system) |
| [00:47:24] | SirPageno: | bba, once you install the rpm, run aticonfig |
| [00:47:25] | bba: | i did my mythtv install with Yum...following direction on some wilsonet.com site |
| [00:48:23] | SirPageno: | bba, I'm a slackware person, so I didn't have any rpms installed, so the basic rpm -i failed |
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| [00:48:29] | SirPageno: | bba i had to rpm -i -nodeps |
| [00:49:08] | SirPageno: | bba, it will modify your xorg.con, and some other stuff |
| [00:49:20] | bba: | i have no preference to distrobution, i just figured fedora would have a larger install base, which would allow me to get help easier :) |
| [00:49:32] | SirPageno: | bba, i don't care what distro people use... |
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| [00:50:00] | bba: | https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.a . . . folderID=300 |
| [00:50:03] | bba: | which one should i get? |
| [00:50:24] | SirPageno: | lemme look |
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| [00:51:27] | Mattwj2005: | I made a suggestion for adding Wikipedia lookup in MythMusic...what do you guys think? |
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| [00:52:41] | bba: | SirPageno looks like the 30mb package would work |
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| [00:52:58] | armand: | i used ati-driver-installer-8.23.7-i386.run on my box with a radeon9500 |
| [00:52:59] | armand: | worked fine |
| [00:53:10] | SirPageno: | bba, i think so |
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| [00:53:16] | bba: | ok, thanks so much guys |
| [00:53:18] | bba: | i'll try it :) |
| [00:53:21] | SirPageno: | bba, i got the xorg 6.8 package |
| [00:53:28] | SirPageno: | bba, it'sa the rpm |
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| [00:53:34] | armand: | the xorg ati driver doesnt do hardware rendering or have the ability do tvout |
| [00:53:35] | bba: | i don't know what version of x i am running |
| [00:53:36] | SirPageno: | the 30m package is an installed and driver all in one |
| [00:53:38] | SirPageno: | give it try |
| [00:53:48] | armand: | thats the fglrx driver |
| [00:53:49] | SirPageno: | armand that is wrong |
| [00:53:51] | bba: | armand does the installer work? |
| [00:53:56] | armand: | bba: of course! |
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| [00:54:02] | bba: | i mean for tv-out |
| [00:54:05] | armand: | sirpageno: actually, its not, tvout doesnt work on radeon without fglrx |
| [00:54:17] | armand: | i know, im useing one heh |
| [00:54:30] | SirPageno: | yes, i have the fglrx driver... |
| [00:54:38] | armand: | fglrx is not included in xorg :) |
| [00:54:48] | SirPageno: | wrong |
| [00:55:02] | SirPageno: | fglrx_6_8_0–8.24.8–1.i386.rpm |
| [00:55:21] | Mattwj2005: | I saw this feature in Amarok....I was wondering if anyone was interested in creating similar module with Myth |
| [00:55:29] | bba: | it's sad, but i probably have 10 hours spent installing this crap |
| [00:55:32] | SirPageno: | the 6_8_0 is the xorg version, and it does do hardware accel, and tv out |
| [00:55:36] | armand: | thats just repackaged ati binary driver, not gpl by xorg |
| [00:55:36] | bba: | i could do it over again, start to finish in an hour |
| [00:55:54] | armand: | note that ati binary driver version number, 8.24.8 |
| [00:55:59] | SirPageno: | bba, i've spent weeks tweaking my myth box |
| [00:56:09] | bba: | tweaking means it runs |
| [00:56:21] | armand: | bba: just get the ati binary driver and install it |
| [00:56:23] | SirPageno: | armand, ok, so it's binary... it still works |
| [00:56:26] | armand: | then change your xorg.conf to run that |
| [00:56:32] | armand: | read the docs of course, it will tell you how |
| [00:56:49] | bba: | i just got it to run today...it took me over an hour to find out i had to change the capture card from v4l to mpeg2 :P |
| [00:56:56] | armand: | sirpageno: no worries. just verifying you know that fglrx is written by ati and is closed source, not gpl and wrirten by the xorg team. |
| [00:56:59] | armand: | =] |
| [00:57:06] | Mattwj2005: | anyways I added it to the feature request list on the wiki |
| [00:57:10] | bba: | i have spent a LOT of time reading documentation and testing things. |
| [00:57:19] | bba: | i had a typo that was stopping me from getting sound. that was 2 hours. |
| [00:57:22] | armand: | bba: excellent, then installing that driver will be eaasy |
| [00:57:28] | armand: | then you'll need to add a few things to your xorg.conf |
| [00:57:34] | SirPageno: | armand, ahhh, yeah, i'm cool with that... |
| [00:57:50] | bba: | alright, well, the pistons game will be at half time in 50 seconds...can't kill the video until then :) |
| [00:58:13] | SirPageno: | lol |
| [00:58:16] | bba: | i can't wait to plug this thing in down stairs |
| [00:59:22] | armand: | did you compile framebuffer support into your kernel? |
| [00:59:46] | bba: | if it's not a default option, probably not |
| [01:00:05] | Vantage13_: | anyone know where to get the audio firmware for a pvr-150? |
| [01:00:11] | Mattwj2005: | good night all |
| [01:00:15] | bba: | night Mattwj2005 |
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| [01:00:34] | armand: | i dont know if its default, hrm, dont remember hehe. |
| [01:01:29] | bba: | baby steps. i'll get the driver installed and switched over, then i'll figure that out. |
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| [01:03:28] | bba: | well, shit. that installer won't work. :P detected version of X does not having a matching 'x700' directory |
| [01:04:41] | SirPageno: | bba, just what version of X do you have? |
| [01:05:06] | bba: | 7 |
| [01:05:12] | bba: | according to the installer thingy |
| [01:05:22] | SirPageno: | bba, try 'X -version' |
| [01:06:06] | bba: | 7.0 |
| [01:06:15] | SirPageno: | hmmm. that _may_ be a problem |
| [01:06:40] | bba: | no problems here. I just find tougher solutions! :P |
| [01:06:47] | SirPageno: | try the rpm them |
| [01:06:49] | SirPageno: | then |
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| [01:10:03] | bba`linux: | ok, i did the RPM and it didn't seem to error out |
| [01:10:20] | Juski: | vantage... is the shspvr ftp site down again? |
| [01:11:35] | SirPageno: | bba`linux, you'll prolly need to run the aticonfig now |
| [01:11:36] | Juski: | ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-pvr_150-5 . . . 24.23035.zip – for you Vantage13_ |
| [01:12:04] | bba`linux: | SirPageno: im looking for the documentation. |
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| [01:19:31] | abarbaccia: | hello all – quick question – I require file B from file A. File B just defines a variable and I try to echo it out with file A but it does not find the variable. It has something to do with variable scope i'm assuming – is there soemthing i'm missing? |
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| [01:21:02] | Vantage13_: | juski: thanks |
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| [01:52:32] | groogs__: | My files are organized as GENRE/ARTIST – TITLE.mp3 or GENRE/SUBGENRE/ARTIST – TITLE.mp3 .. but I can't get mythmusic to recoginize that. I have "directory" set as the browse option, and GENRE/ARTIST – TITLE but it puts a number and the title, ie "0 – Better Days" or "29 – Roses" |
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| [02:05:07] | groogs__: | with mythweather, it says "weather data from: wed may 17" .. for extended forcast, it shows friday, saturday and sunday... what happened to thursday? |
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| [02:08:27] | dscoular: | groogs__, I've always wondered that too... I wondered if it was coz I was in Oz |
| [02:10:03] | dscoular: | mythweb seems ok though... I'm not at home so I can't check my box right now |
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| [02:12:11] | groogs__: | no, even my mythweb weather skips thursday |
| [02:12:27] | groogs__: | system clock as gmt vs local timezone maybe? |
| [02:13:14] | groogs__: | dscoular: though, you'd be ahead right? +7 or 8? |
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| [02:18:37] | dscoular: | yeah |
| [02:18:39] | simcop2387-zauru: | system clock at gmt makes more sense for most things nowadays |
| [02:19:14] | dscoular: | Do you mean hardware clock when you say system clock ? |
| [02:19:25] | simcop2387-zauru: | nope |
| [02:20:23] | simcop2387-zauru: | its rather cheap cpu wise to do a timezone change esp on unix/linux |
| [02:20:26] | bba: | i need to update X to use the current driver. How do i get out of X? At boot, I can choose Session but it still fires up X |
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| [02:20:35] | dscoular: | Ok, so I have my system clock NTP synced to UTC (since GMT doesn't handle leap seconds) |
| [02:20:55] | dscoular: | But any shell can set the locale and the TZ env to anything it likes |
| [02:21:10] | simcop2387-zauru: | bba why do you need to get out of it? just restart it after youve updated |
| [02:21:54] | opello: | heh restart? ctrl-alt-backspace at your display manager |
| [02:22:20] | opello: | or ctrl-alt-f1, login, kill the display manager |
| [02:22:24] | dscoular: | bba: you can also use Ctrl-Alt-[1–6] |
| [02:22:34] | dscoular: | oops I mean F1-F6 |
| [02:22:35] | opello: | er, yeah – not f1 :) oops |
| [02:22:42] | opello: | haha, whichever, it's been a long day |
| [02:22:53] | ** dscoular agrees ** | |
| [02:23:12] | simcop2387-zauru: | well im happy i just setup my first slave backend today |
| [02:23:16] | bba: | http://www.fedorafaq.org/#drivers <--- following those directions to update my ATI drivers |
| [02:23:21] | bba: | it says do init 3 |
| [02:23:24] | bba: | well, that just locks me up |
| [02:23:36] | dscoular: | Ctrl-Alt-Backspace will only kill the current session your X display manager will keep restarting them |
| [02:23:49] | dscoular: | bba, it depends on the distro you are running |
| [02:23:50] | opello: | dscoular: but it rereads the xorg.conf on restart |
| [02:24:10] | bba: | ati-fglrx-config-display enable this command needs to be run while x is not running |
| [02:24:18] | bba: | it errors out when i try and run it on X |
| [02:24:28] | dscoular: | Yes but perhaps the installer needs X to not be running at all |
| [02:24:42] | opello: | kill {g,k,x}dm :) |
| [02:24:55] | dscoular: | Again, it depends on the distro |
| [02:25:02] | bba: | so what ist he best way to get to the CLI only on fedora core? |
| [02:25:08] | dscoular: | some distros use inittab others use xdm |
| [02:25:14] | opello: | ah |
| [02:25:28] | dscoular: | init 3 should do it |
| [02:25:31] | simcop2387-zauru: | dscoular some use both |
| [02:25:35] | dscoular: | failing that try service xdm stop |
| [02:25:41] | opello: | isn't the process running still the display manager, and killable? |
| [02:25:43] | dscoular: | I know |
| [02:26:00] | dscoular: | opello, as I said it varies from distro to distro |
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| [02:26:26] | dscoular: | a distro could be using a startx equiv from inittab conceivablly |
| [02:26:39] | opello: | yuck |
| [02:26:46] | dscoular: | but in this case I think you are on the money |
| [02:27:13] | bba: | well, "init 3" shows starting 3 services...and seems to have locked up |
| [02:27:16] | opello: | i'm pretty distro neutral, but that doesn't sound like the best way to do things — but i'm sure there's some justification |
| [02:27:32] | opello: | bba: did you try hitting enter to get your prompt back? |
| [02:27:41] | bba: | yep |
| [02:27:45] | bba: | keyboard appears to be dead |
| [02:27:49] | mostr: | anyone got mytharchive working? |
| [02:27:51] | opello: | caps lock? |
| [02:28:08] | bba: | if I hit control alt del it switches to init lvl 6 |
| [02:28:09] | dscoular: | mytharchive: last I heard was only for svn head |
| [02:28:15] | bba: | and she's going down like a 2 dollar whore |
| [02:28:40] | opello: | 6 is usually reboot |
| [02:28:47] | mostr: | dscoular: yes, I wanted to ask that. |
| [02:29:12] | mostr: | bba: what distro are you running? |
| [02:29:21] | bba: | fedora core 5 silly :P |
| [02:29:23] | opello: | maybe he can use single user mode :/ |
| [02:29:28] | mostr: | oh |
| [02:29:30] | mostr: | haha |
| [02:29:36] | bba: | remember, you were helping me earlier :P |
| [02:29:40] | mostr: | thought you were someone new |
| [02:29:48] | mostr: | what's the trouble now? |
| [02:30:04] | bba: | ati drivers...trying to install. following an FAQ |
| [02:30:11] | mostr: | oh |
| [02:30:14] | bba: | it tells me i need to kill X |
| [02:30:19] | mostr: | that I can't help you with, because I use nvidia |
| [02:30:21] | bba: | so I type "init 3" |
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| [02:30:26] | mostr: | yea, init 3 will do that |
| [02:30:28] | bba: | and it just hangs |
| [02:30:46] | mostr: | what I do is edit /etc/inittab and change default init from 5 to 3 to get them loaded |
| [02:31:05] | mostr: | even for my nvidia drivers |
| [02:31:12] | bba: | what does that mean? |
| [02:31:56] | mostr: | when you reboot it will come up in text mode only |
| [02:32:25] | dscoular: | inittab controls the default system run level |
| [02:32:57] | bba: | ok. so 3 is full multiuser mode |
| [02:33:01] | bba: | that's what i want? |
| [02:33:11] | mostr: | then you can type startx to see if x will load properly |
| [02:33:14] | mostr: | yes |
| [02:33:14] | ** bba is learning a ton. ** | |
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| [02:33:49] | mostr: | then when you have it loading up okay, you go and switch it back to init 5 |
| [02:33:58] | xris: | bba: 3 is generally multi-user text mode |
| [02:34:02] | xris: | 5 is graphical |
| [02:36:16] | mostr: | anyone know more about mytharchive? |
| [02:36:24] | mostr: | I was wondering if I can put it on a frontend |
| [02:36:36] | mostr: | so I don't have to SVN my backend |
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| [02:38:41] | Kazan: | where does frontend keep it's log? |
| [02:39:34] | mostr: | dunno. does it log by default? I thought that you had to turn on logging |
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| [02:40:35] | Kazan: | that's what i was suspicious off |
| [02:40:36] | Kazan: | damn |
| [02:41:09] | mostr: | that's it |
| [02:41:15] | mostr: | my wife can't use the pvr anymore |
| [02:41:32] | mostr: | she jsut skipped to the end of american idol just to see who got voted off |
| [02:41:50] | mostr: | watched a whole 60 seconds of the recording |
| [02:42:37] | opello: | didn't just block it from being recorded :) |
| [02:44:07] | Kazan: | bah |
| [02:44:15] | Kazan: | mythfrontend is giving out a bad command to start xine |
| [02:44:29] | Kazan: | but i dunno what the actually line is and i've got it configured to what is recommended in the wiki |
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| [02:45:56] | mostr: | maybe try the one from wilsonet.com |
| [02:46:11] | mostr: | I used that in the past |
| [02:46:19] | mostr: | I don't have it going now yet though. |
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| [02:49:12] | mostr: | xine -pfhq --no-splash %s |
| [02:49:22] | mostr: | is that what you are passing to xine? |
| [02:50:02] | Kazan: | xine -pfhq --no-splash dvd:// |
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| [02:51:41] | Kazan: | this is dvd player settings |
| [02:52:33] | Kazan: | oh well that fucker |
| [02:52:41] | Kazan: | xine will accept that from the command line |
| [02:52:48] | Kazan: | but NOT from in mythtv |
| [02:56:03] | Kazan: | ah there we go |
| [02:56:06] | Kazan: | VICTORY IS MINE! |
| [02:56:52] | Garjon: | Well. Glad I showed up. Chanserv's auto-notify + search = Answered question. |
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| [02:59:32] | bba: | thanks for the help everyone. im going to bed. im sure i'll need more help tomorrow :) |
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| [03:07:15] | mostr: | later bba |
| [03:08:03] | mostr: | Kazan: what was wrong |
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| [03:47:54] | thechris: | might anyone be able to help me with an odd pvr150/500 issue I am having? |
| [03:48:27] | thechris: | the sound on 1 channel is bad. channel 73. the video is better then most other channels, but the sound undulates |
| [03:53:54] | WAR_CH|LD: | undulates? |
| [03:53:58] | WAR_CH|LD: | sure it ain't a reception thing |
| [03:54:11] | WAR_CH|LD: | but I usally find with tv reception you get sound 100% first and then everything else comes late |
| [03:54:14] | WAR_CH|LD: | r |
| [03:54:31] | WAR_CH|LD: | your sound setup properly? like mp3's or something works ok? |
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| [04:02:42] | sean33: | hay having some issues setting up a dvb-t card , i have to add a seperate channel setup for this ? |
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| [04:03:18] | sean33: | i have 2 pvr150's and now adding a hybrid digital/analog tuner |
| [04:03:45] | sean33: | looks like the drivers are all working but its not working with myth |
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| [04:11:47] | bigslam: | how do i enable power to my LNB in mythtv? |
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| [04:37:34] | rhacer: | I'm about ready to start buying hardware I know I need at least two tv cards, is there any sense in more? |
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| [04:55:33] | brian__: | my backend just changed ip address and now mythweb doesn't work. Where do I change what mythweb thinks the ip address is? |
| [05:01:18] | achew22: | abarbaccia on the monolythic mc computers, what mobo/case do you use? |
| [05:01:32] | brian__: | nvm, I found it |
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| [05:01:51] | brian__: | achew22, what is a monolythic mc? |
| [05:01:57] | achew22: | i'll give you a link |
| [05:02:14] | achew22: | abarbaccia is selling htpcs |
| [05:02:21] | achew22: | http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html |
| [05:02:26] | achew22: | oops |
| [05:02:27] | achew22: | wrong one |
| [05:02:41] | achew22: | http://www.monolithmc.com/ |
| [05:02:46] | brian__: | cool, thanks |
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| [05:54:23] | thechris: | sorry, i was AFK. in anycase I still would like to know how i might solve my sound issue on a single channel. the video is fine. when viewed on the TV the sound is fine. but on my PVR the sound is bad, but only for one channel |
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| [06:13:29] | sean33: | im tring to get basic functions working but seems tzap isnt changing the frequency at all |
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| [06:32:27] | Netslayer: | need some ideas. I have a gentoo ebuild that grabs from svn that won't compile and when i pull svn manually and build it, it works. so how can i fix this ebuild? |
| [06:32:47] | Netslayer: | this is the error i get http://pastebin.com/720161 |
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| [06:41:47] | sean33: | for dvb do i use /dev/video2 device or /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 ? |
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| [06:53:55] | sean33: | helpful bunch arnt you ? |
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| [07:13:07] | sean33: | anyone alive ? |
| [07:14:29] | adante: | is there a guide for building svn mythtv anywhere? |
| [07:15:13] | adante: | i just build it and have no osd or modules, trying to figure out how to rectify this |
| [07:15:14] | sean33: | yes there probabaly is |
| [07:16:54] | adante: | sean33: not exactly sure what you mean by 'use' but /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 has worked for m |
| [07:18:34] | adante: | Netslayer: mind sharing the ebuild? i'd like to take a look |
| [07:19:36] | sean33: | i mean do i "use" that in the setup to call the device ? , still tring to figure out how to add channels for it |
| [07:21:44] | sean33: | http://svn.mythtv.org/ |
| [07:23:04] | sean33: | im just banging my head against the wall here |
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| [07:24:26] | sean33: | got the card doing things with tzap ok so i know its working |
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| [07:33:31] | Netslayer: | adante, sure |
| [07:34:47] | Netslayer: | adante, http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66337 |
| [07:35:02] | Netslayer: | it's the one with the oldest date (Attachments) |
| [07:35:38] | Netslayer: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Upgradin . . . ntoo_ebuilds |
| [07:35:52] | Netslayer: | if you do figure out what is causing it please let me know :-P |
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| [07:44:33] | adante: | Netslayer: thanks |
| [07:44:56] | adante: | hmm tried searching for 'svn' in the wiki but it didn't obtain that document |
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| [07:45:13] | adante: | noticed that seems to happen a lot with mediawiki |
| [07:47:12] | Netslayer: | heh |
| [07:47:37] | Netslayer: | they've worked great until that new dvdnav stuff came in.. fyi you need libdvdnav ebuild, that won't check for it. |
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| [07:53:03] | adante: | ok |
| [07:53:19] | adante: | don't actually play dvds with my current system heh, no drive |
| [07:53:26] | adante: | took it out to add another hdd :] |
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| [07:56:29] | Netslayer: | heh same |
| [07:56:49] | Netslayer: | i don't think you can build myth without dvdnav stuff... if you can it'd probably finish building then |
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| [08:07:40] | Netslayer: | hrm more season finale tv or more sleep |
| [08:07:58] | ** Netslayer surrenders ** | |
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| [08:43:43] | sean33: | help ! |
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| [09:09:08] | sean33: | where can i get avisynth.dll |
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| [09:35:02] | hashbang: | sean33: in the mplayer codec pack |
| [09:35:17] | sean33: | thanks got it now |
| [09:35:23] | sean33: | didnt help |
| [09:36:24] | sean33: | still cant get mythtv to display jack from my dvb-t source , have tested with tzap works , but cant get the myth setup to chat with it |
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| [10:03:55] | stuarta: | morning all |
| [10:07:09] | sean33: | evening |
| [10:15:16] | Merlin83b: | Morning stuarta. |
| [10:16:39] | johnp_: | Morning stuarta |
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| [10:21:09] | sean33: | i tell ya im having a hell of a day |
| [10:24:29] | sean33: | dvb is a pain in the ass |
| [10:27:30] | sean33: | where is the channel data kept , in the database ? |
| [10:27:49] | stuarta: | dvb is lovely.... |
| [10:28:00] | sean33: | its a right shit |
| [10:32:15] | stuarta: | what's it doing / not doing. |
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| [10:38:31] | johnp_: | stuarta, I had a quick look at the scanning stuff last night. Boy that's changed :) |
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| [10:40:20] | sean33: | its just not happy i have 2 pvr150 working fine , an a dvb-t that works with tzap no problems yet cant get it working in myth |
| [10:41:11] | sean33: | hvr1100LP |
| [10:41:30] | stuarta: | johnp_: hopefully for the better :) |
| [10:43:14] | johnp_: | sean33, can't you just import the channels.conf ? I know you get other issues but the EIT doesn't work over in Oz anyway. |
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| [10:44:38] | dscoular`: | 0.19 channels import was v. buggy... svn 0.19-fixes has many fixes. |
| [10:46:15] | dscoular`: | I ended up hand editing the mysql tables... but I'm sure 0.19-fixes is a big improvement from the initial 0.19 release. |
| [10:47:01] | sean33: | john yea tried that |
| [10:47:26] | dscoular`: | And none of the channels tune ? |
| [10:47:33] | stuarta: | sean33: what version are you running? |
| [10:47:35] | sean33: | nope |
| [10:48:58] | sean33: | mythtv-frontend-0.19–128.rhfc4.at |
| [10:49:04] | dscoular`: | You could turn on -v channel,general,important and look at the log |
| [10:49:17] | dscoular`: | Failing that you could try -v all |
| [10:49:36] | ** dscoular` apologises for having missed the start of this ** | |
| [10:50:06] | sean33: | i dont beleve this |
| [10:50:08] | dorel__: | just a general question – any ideas how do i convert a vob/xvid movie to mpg format? |
| [10:50:35] | sean33: | its blody working ! |
| [10:50:36] | stuarta: | dorel__: ffmpeg |
| [10:50:36] | dscoular`: | mpg is a little too general a term do you mean mpeg-2 or mpeg-1 or mpeg-4 |
| [10:50:48] | dorel__: | mpeg-2 and mpeg-4 |
| [10:51:01] | dscoular`: | nuvexport is your friend |
| [10:51:14] | dorel__: | ahh thanks dscoular |
| [10:51:16] | sean33: | damit all day ive been working on this as soon as someone starts tring to help it begins working |
| [10:51:28] | dscoular`: | dorel__, nae wucking furries |
| [10:51:44] | sean33: | blody amazing |
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| [10:52:48] | sean33: | lol spoke to soon its crashed |
| [10:53:02] | stuarta: | any nice error messages for us? |
| [10:53:02] | sean33: | lol |
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| [10:53:30] | sean33: | looking |
| [10:53:35] | dscoular`: | ah... the joy of mythtv |
| [10:53:58] | stuarta: | challenging to get going, but then *joy*.... |
| [10:54:20] | ** dscoular` nods vigorously ** | |
| [10:55:01] | dscoular`: | the challenge is fun too |
| [10:55:35] | dscoular`: | like having an old vintage car to tinker with (I imagine) |
| [10:56:06] | sean33: | going to change some things and get it to boot back in normal mode see what happens |
| [10:56:18] | sean33: | will enable logs too |
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| [11:11:54] | sean33: | well it is working so far seems to have issue an issue when i change channel last time to tv guide |
| [11:13:50] | sean33: | wow |
| [11:13:56] | sean33: | crash again |
| [11:14:11] | sean33: | 2006-05–18 21:12:26.314 OSDTypePositionImage::Draw[3](0.9, 0.902083) <- heaps of these |
| [11:14:14] | dscoular`: | The frontend ? |
| [11:14:36] | sean33: | livetv in myth |
| [11:14:56] | sean33: | channel change hasent got a singal lock |
| [11:15:08] | dscoular`: | When you bring up OSD ? |
| [11:15:24] | sean33: | its just stuck in livetv now |
| [11:15:38] | dscoular`: | So it hasn't crashed ? |
| [11:15:50] | dscoular`: | it's frozen ? |
| [11:17:05] | sean33: | chan info at the botom of the screen "ABC TV – Unkown Signal 0% | S/N 4.8db | BE 1199 | (L___ partial Lock ( 18 minutes mins) |
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| [11:17:16] | Juski: | afternoon |
| [11:17:16] | sean33: | yep cant exit |
| [11:17:43] | stuarta: | okay L__ means it got a signal lock, but not the tables it wanted. |
| [11:17:52] | sean33: | massive amounts of " 2006-05–18 21:16:08.430 OSDTypePositionImage::Draw[3](0.9, 0.902083) "' in the front end log still going |
| [11:18:10] | stuarta: | afternoon Juski |
| [11:18:49] | sean33: | tapping escape managed to get out |
| [11:19:22] | dscoular`: | stuarta, LAM can you tell me what the A and M stand for ? |
| [11:19:42] | dscoular`: | L == FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [11:20:26] | stuarta: | A = has PAT, a = waiting for PAT, M = has PMT, m = looking for PMT |
| [11:20:38] | dscoular`: | Sweet... been wondering |
| [11:21:16] | stuarta: | so the sequence you see is: l__, L__, La_, LA_, LAm, LAM -> good to go. |
| [11:21:43] | sean33: | ok went back changed channel agian a few times and it locked up again but this time wouldnt escape |
| [11:23:06] | sean33: | gettting alot of " 2006-05–18 21:21:31.284 rebuffering (27157 32768) " in the log on the pvr150 |
| [11:24:42] | dscoular`: | Is this with -v all ? |
| [11:24:55] | sean33: | -v all ? |
| [11:25:41] | sean33: | verbose? |
| [11:25:46] | dscoular`: | same thing |
| [11:25:57] | sean33: | no just " mythfrontend --logfile /var/log/mythfrontend.log" |
| [11:26:10] | dscoular`: | ah... ok |
| [11:26:14] | sean33: | i found that --verbose it was unstable |
| [11:27:13] | sean33: | but that may have been 0.18 havent tried in a while |
| [11:27:40] | sean33: | i can switch on verbose if you think that may help |
| [11:28:24] | dscoular`: | sean33, I came in late to this... what's the initial problem... aka the last change to your system |
| [11:28:55] | sean33: | put in a dvb card |
| [11:29:42] | dscoular`: | ok, why not make that your primary card and watch live tv on it... have the pvrs for recording only |
| [11:29:49] | sean33: | have 2 pvr150's and a hvr1100 read that the support had matured a bit and thought ok give it a go |
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| [11:30:45] | sean33: | i dont mind realy but as its crashing its fairly useless |
| [11:31:23] | dscoular`: | My point is that it might not crash when using another type of card for livetv |
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| [11:32:45] | Juski: | hvr1100 – the drivers are still relatively new for that though aren't they? |
| [11:33:01] | sean33: | yea relitively |
| [11:33:02] | dscoular`: | If you really want to find the problem you'd need to recompile it with debug and run it with gdb. I'm just thinking of workarounds |
| [11:33:49] | dscoular`: | I dunno I'd never heard of the hvr1100 till you mentioned it right now. New doesn't always mean bad. The linuxtv mailing list archives would give a feel for that |
| [11:34:34] | sean33: | its a hybrid card |
| [11:35:23] | dscoular`: | it's just something to try... maybe the livetv would work better on one of your other cards |
| [11:35:40] | dscoular`: | You can set a preference level in mythtv-setup |
| [11:35:49] | sean33: | i use live tv on all my cards |
| [11:36:27] | sean33: | dvb is so slow |
| [11:36:47] | dscoular`: | in what way |
| [11:37:05] | sean33: | takes forever to change channe |
| [11:37:08] | Juski: | hvr1100 is one of two of Hauppauge's latest cards. the 1100 model has a DVB-T tuner and a (software encoder) analogue tuner, while the 1300 model is basically a PVR150 with a DVB-T tuner on the same card |
| [11:37:40] | Juski: | sean33: welcome to the woes of livetv with DVB. I don't use livetv – not because of that though |
| [11:38:03] | sean33: | whats " NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times. |
| [11:38:04] | dscoular`: | oh well... sorry... I've pretty much exhausted my thoughts on how to help you. |
| [11:38:14] | Juski: | channel changing is slower than with a pvr card because myth has to wait for the dvb tuner to get a lock |
| [11:38:16] | dscoular`: | Just grep for it in the source |
| [11:38:46] | Juski: | and (allegedly) some DVB tuner drivers don't report they have a lock in a timely manner |
| [11:39:10] | dscoular`: | Especially old nova-t and usb-2.0 devices ;/ |
| [11:39:18] | ** dscoular` decides to make dinner ** | |
| [11:39:41] | sean33: | whats a very well supported dvb-t usb device |
| [11:39:50] | dscoular`: | I only have one |
| [11:39:58] | sean33: | think i will get some different hardware |
| [11:40:15] | Juski: | or stop depending on the live tv teat ;-) |
| [11:40:39] | dscoular`: | ah... different strokes and all that |
| [11:40:42] | sean33: | teat ? |
| [11:40:46] | dscoular`: | nipple |
| [11:41:02] | Juski: | life's too short to channel surf IMHO |
| [11:41:16] | sean33: | my tv dosnt have any nipples |
| [11:41:30] | ** dscoular` feels sorry for sean33 ** | |
| [11:41:38] | sean33: | Juski if its too short what are you doing in here ? |
| [11:41:44] | Juski: | get the RedHot patch |
| [11:41:53] | Juski: | sean33: lunchbreak at work |
| [11:41:58] | sean33: | RedHot ? |
| [11:42:04] | Juski: | www.redhot.tv |
| [11:42:07] | Juski: | :-P |
| [11:42:08] | sean33: | lol at work |
| [11:42:22] | Juski: | you said your tv has no nipples... |
| [11:43:49] | sean33: | whats redhot got to do with myth ? |
| [11:44:12] | Juski: | never mind |
| [11:44:48] | Juski: | someone could've told you not to bother with DVB if you're after good livetv performance in mythtv – at least as good as say a pvr150 |
| [11:45:14] | sean33: | why? |
| [11:45:28] | Juski: | it's one of 2 areas where VDR whoops mythtv's ass |
| [11:45:56] | Juski: | sean33: because of the time it takes your DVB card driver to get a lock – it doesn't bother tzap or VDR though |
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| [11:46:59] | sean33: | tzap seemed quick enough |
| [11:47:03] | Juski: | sean33: yup |
| [11:47:18] | Juski: | <1second or so here to get a lock |
| [11:47:22] | dscoular`: | but I guess mythtv has to manage it's buffers too |
| [11:47:33] | Juski: | I also have a pvr150 |
| [11:47:50] | Juski: | that card is lightyears ahead in terms of channel change response time |
| [11:47:53] | sean33: | well oviously theres a problem there isnt there |
| [11:48:32] | dscoular`: | my old pvr-350 used to take a while... but that was in the old ringbuffer days |
| [11:48:50] | Juski: | when I tested the cards last time, I compared the channel change time. I could easily live with the pvr150, but not the DVB |
| [11:49:23] | sean33: | well oviously theres a problem there isnt there |
| [11:49:45] | Juski: | there are lots of ways to improve it, and if you read the devs list they have all been discussed |
| [11:50:36] | Juski: | as for _now_ there are more important things to be fixed, like scanning & EIT handling. when they're done the DVB dev guys are free to look at other things |
| [11:51:02] | ** dscoular` aha! so Juski is supping on that livetv teat too! ** | |
| [11:51:17] | Juski: | only for testing the hardware works. jeez |
| [11:51:28] | dscoular`: | ho ho |
| [11:51:38] | Juski: | I go 'live tv'... yep – that works... change tuner.. yep – that works.. next tuner... |
| [11:52:17] | ** dscoular` bows down to the anti-livetv onslaught ** | |
| [11:52:20] | Juski: | as for whether livetv change times get improved or not – that's entirely up to the developers. |
| [11:52:46] | Juski: | and fair play to them they work really hard to fix problems they don't necessarily even see themselves |
| [11:53:11] | dscoular`: | I can't believe how hard they work... how do they do it... don't they have day jobs!?!! |
| [11:53:31] | dscoular`: | Danielk fixed my ticket 3 hours after I created it! |
| [11:53:54] | Juski: | my whole argument against livetv is that when you have as many channels as we have now, by the time you've found something that looks interesting (with the slowness of every platform's browsing of EPG), it's half finished |
| [11:54:02] | sean33: | they all work for the conspiricy |
| [11:54:08] | dscoular`: | Juski, australia has 5 |
| [11:54:13] | Juski: | five?! |
| [11:54:14] | Juski: | lol |
| [11:54:28] | dscoular`: | five... I can count them on one hand!!! |
| [11:55:10] | sean33: | how many do u have ? |
| [11:55:14] | dscoular`: | so people down here quite like watching live tv since they can keep in there head whats on |
| [11:55:37] | dscoular`: | When I was in a hotel in San Jose they had about 90 |
| [11:55:40] | Juski: | over 200 channels, and that's not including the channels I deleted |
| [11:55:43] | dscoular`: | It was terrible |
| [11:56:03] | dscoular`: | I kept hitting next channel terrified that something better was on (it nevver was) |
| [11:56:11] | dscoular`: | Finally I gave up watching tv |
| [11:56:23] | dscoular`: | So I see Juski's point |
| [11:56:23] | sean33: | there are 59 channels on foxtel and over 100 on foxtel digital |
| [11:56:34] | dscoular`: | I only have FTA channels |
| [11:56:46] | Juski: | on my cable STB I can start going through the EPG at 1pm, and by the time I've cycled around to the end of the channel list again, it's 1:15 |
| [11:56:49] | sean33: | think Optus cable only has 40 odd |
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| [11:58:06] | Juski: | of all the channels there are a hell of a lot I'd cancel if I could |
| [11:58:22] | Juski: | but because they all come as a package I can't |
| [11:58:42] | Juski: | can't even hide the channels I don't subscribe too from the EPG on the cable box :-/ |
| [11:59:15] | Juski: | anyway I don't have to justify my position.. wtf am I witterring on for?! |
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| [12:01:19] | dscoular`: | lol |
| [12:01:23] | sean33: | is there any sweet ap that will test the signal on each channel |
| [12:01:44] | Juski: | sean33: tzap & mplayer |
| [12:01:55] | Juski: | xine will work with dvb tuners too |
| [12:02:11] | Juski: | you'll probably find that there's nothing wrong with the signal |
| [12:02:14] | dscoular`: | the signal reported by each driver isn't accurate yet... the linuxtv guys are trying to sort that. |
| [12:02:16] | sean33: | right been there |
| [12:02:45] | Juski: | the driver for my cards (all the same card – cx88 based) reports FFFF when I unplug the aerial |
| [12:02:52] | dscoular`: | So what's reported is mostly meaningless other than FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [12:03:02] | Juski: | no not necessarily |
| [12:03:11] | Juski: | it just might be the wrong bit order |
| [12:03:12] | sean33: | my card is cx88 bassed too |
| [12:03:30] | Juski: | e.g. FFFF = bad, 0000 = best as opposed to the other way round |
| [12:03:42] | sean33: | and i can quite honestly say its crap ! |
| [12:03:49] | dscoular`: | Also logarithmic versus linear |
| [12:04:12] | Juski: | sean33: I honestly don't think you can say that if you have no problems with other apps |
| [12:04:27] | Juski: | dscoular`: really? oh gawd :-/ |
| [12:04:47] | dscoular`: | hence the discussions on the linuxtv list |
| [12:05:09] | Juski: | I'd read about the topsy-turvy-ness, but not log vs linear |
| [12:05:28] | dscoular`: | it varies from card to card, and not all card manuf. publish there calculations |
| [12:05:45] | Juski: | when a lot of DVB drivers were written though, the API hadn't quite been agreed I bet |
| [12:06:18] | Juski: | cx88 are good for data – dead easy to get their documentation |
| [12:06:28] | dscoular`: | they are going to write a user-space library which will solve a lot of problems. |
| [12:06:50] | dscoular`: | then all apps just use that one user-space lib |
| [12:06:59] | Juski: | nifty |
| [12:08:05] | dscoular`: | yeah... should end the debate on how client apps should determine if they have tuned or not |
| [12:09:09] | Juski: | tuning is one thing – getting a stream might be something else |
| [12:09:24] | Juski: | I mean a stream which is what you expect it to be |
| [12:09:41] | dscoular`: | I'm not sure of the scope of the library. |
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| [12:10:26] | dscoular`: | I found all this out when I had the ticket out for DVB not tuning when 0.19 was first released. |
| [12:10:43] | Juski: | it's really not as simple as saying we should 'just' do whatever VDR does, that's fer sure |
| [12:10:48] | dscoular`: | I wrote a patch to exactly mimick the way tzap tunes... and it worked |
| [12:10:59] | dscoular`: | but danielk hated arbitrary usleeps |
| [12:11:00] | Juski: | ahh that was yours? nice work |
| [12:11:05] | Juski: | I saw that |
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| [12:11:19] | Juski: | was only like 0.3 sec though wasnt it? |
| [12:11:33] | dscoular`: | So I acted as go-between between the driver guys who said usleeps were necessary. |
| [12:11:48] | Juski: | I thought it ironic that a short usleep shaved seconds off the tuning time |
| [12:12:05] | dscoular`: | Danielk did all the work and rewrote it beautifully. May patch was just a proof of concept... to argue the case for mimicking tzap |
| [12:12:06] | Juski: | so erm.. what happenned to that? |
| [12:12:13] | Juski: | ahhh |
| [12:12:41] | dscoular`: | However, now the tuning code has evolved so much I can't make head nor tail of it. |
| [12:12:53] | dscoular`: | But I think the two groups are a bit closer now. |
| [12:12:57] | Juski: | gonna be testing svn tonight – make sure the tuner works okay then I'll grab the dvb-eit branch to do some testing for folks |
| [12:14:15] | dscoular`: | good on yer (as they say down here) |
| [12:14:53] | stuarta: | Juski: just make sure you don't have two consecutive recordings scheduled for the same tuner (on eit-branch) |
| [12:15:13] | Juski: | wanna help expedite scanning fixx0ration & especially EIT |
| [12:15:22] | Juski: | stuarta: okees.. crashy? |
| [12:15:45] | Juski: | same tuner.. heh it only has one |
| [12:15:50] | stuarta: | nope: zero byte record on the 2nd. Found the problem, fozi verified... |
| [12:16:00] | stuarta: | just needs a fix now. |
| [12:16:27] | stuarta: | endtime(p1) == starttime(p2) |
| [12:16:33] | stuarta: | for it to happen |
| [12:17:05] | stuarta: | I'm going to do some heavy testing on scanning tonight. |
| [12:17:21] | Juski: | what's 'heavy' testing? |
| [12:17:53] | stuarta: | test all the conditions I can, see if it works properly... |
| [12:17:58] | Juski: | ah |
| [12:18:13] | stuarta: | maybe write the tuned scan code. |
| [12:20:02] | stuarta: | I've ported my current scanning patches back to head, but need to test them first. |
| [12:20:33] | Juski: | I could do with updating svn tonight then |
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| [12:20:44] | Juski: | should be fairly quick now I have ccache |
| [12:21:23] | Juski: | currently writing an email to seagate to tell them about the issue I saw yesterday. Write mult ext in pio mode 4 hangs the system (ouch) |
| [12:21:35] | Juski: | .. if block size is 10000h |
| [12:21:47] | stuarta: | been a quiet week for changes |
| [12:22:34] | sean33: | beggining to think that mythtv is a waste of a machine |
| [12:23:03] | ** dscoular` puts hands over ears ** | |
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| [12:23:16] | sean33: | lol |
| [12:23:25] | Juski: | self pity never got anybody anywhere |
| [12:24:01] | Pete__: | hm, trying to get my remote to work, I press a key quickly say the '1' key, heres what I get out '1<pause>111' for every key.. |
| [12:24:03] | stuarta: | my mythbox does everything else as well, no wastage there. |
| [12:24:08] | sean33: | lol |
| [12:24:48] | dscoular`: | Pete__: what input driver... evdev or somthing else ? |
| [12:25:32] | sean33: | think i may just convert my machine to run something usefull |
| [12:25:33] | Pete__: | I have no idea actually, I just plugged it in and thats what I got |
| [12:25:50] | dscoular`: | What card ? |
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| [12:26:16] | Juski: | sean33: buy MCE, then go crying to them when you find that's a PoS |
| [12:26:35] | Juski: | oops I forgot |
| [12:26:37] | dscoular`: | sean33, sorry to lose you. |
| [12:27:12] | Pete__: | well, ehm I have a happauge wintv nota-t (new model) in the backend server, and on a client I put a happauge wintv nova-t (old model) just to use its ir reciever (not for any capture as it doesn't work perfectly) and thats what happens |
| [12:27:41] | sean33: | lol |
| [12:27:52] | dscoular`: | ok, does lsmod |grep budget-ci give you a match ? |
| [12:28:42] | Pete__: | im using budget_ci but not budget-ci |
| [12:28:52] | Pete__: | I guess they are the same |
| [12:28:58] | dscoular`: | reckon |
| [12:29:08] | dscoular`: | now where did you get your lircd.conf from |
| [12:29:28] | dscoular`: | and do you have the grey remote ? |
| [12:30:23] | dscoular`: | like this one http://www.digitalnitelevize.cz/obrazek/wintv_nova_remote.jpg ? |
| [12:30:37] | Pete__: | well I have the old (35 button) and the new one with photo/video etc, they both do the same |
| [12:30:51] | sean33: | only issue i have is that next year analog broadcast stops and thus digital is the only source |
| [12:31:04] | Pete__: | thats the old 35 button |
| [12:31:13] | dscoular`: | Ok, that's the same as mine |
| [12:31:26] | dscoular`: | Where did you get the /etc/lircd.conf from ? |
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| [12:31:39] | dscoular`: | Oh... and what distro are you using ? |
| [12:31:47] | sean33: | wow what a nice remote |
| [12:32:10] | Pete__: | I don't have a /etc.lircd.conf, heh |
| [12:32:25] | Pete__: | I have a whole load of conf's in /usr/share/lirc/remotes/, |
| [12:32:31] | dscoular`: | what distro |
| [12:32:34] | Pete__: | suse |
| [12:33:00] | ** dscoular` is even more out his depth than usual ** | |
| [12:33:01] | sean33: | -> http://www.quietpc.com/uk/images/imonvfd.jpg < – thats the one i use |
| [12:33:15] | Pete__: | hmm |
| [12:33:38] | Pete__: | just spotted /usr/share/lirc/remotes/hauppauge/lircd.conf.happauge |
| [12:33:45] | Pete__: | ill move that to /etc/lircd.conf |
| [12:33:51] | dscoular`: | hold on |
| [12:34:07] | sean33: | http://pics.computerbase.de/1/3/6/8/8/9.jpg |
| [12:34:10] | dscoular`: | How do you know that's where suse lircd looks for the conf file |
| [12:34:18] | dscoular`: | if there isn't one there already ? |
| [12:34:40] | dscoular`: | Can you do an lsof -p <PID of lircd> |
| [12:34:43] | Pete__: | I don't, that just seems to be a directory full of lircd conf's |
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| [12:35:05] | Pete__: | just a sec |
| [12:35:13] | dscoular`: | We need to determine where SuSE lircd expects to find its lircd.conf |
| [12:35:18] | dscoular`: | try "locate lircd.conf" |
| [12:35:29] | Pete__: | ahead of you there, nothing obvious |
| [12:35:43] | Pete__: | thats how I figured there was a load of conf's in /usr/share/lirc/remotes/ |
| [12:35:54] | dscoular`: | man lircd |
| [12:36:53] | dscoular`: | I'm googling for ya |
| [12:37:05] | Pete__: | /etc/lircd.conf |
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| [12:38:20] | dscoular`: | Okay, try restarting lircd and then mythfrontend |
| [12:38:43] | dscoular`: | assuming you've copied an appropriate remote into the appropriate location |
| [12:38:47] | Pete__: | hmm, I moved it to /etc/lircd.conf, rclirc restart, heres what I got "Starting lircd .....Error: no device found" |
| [12:39:05] | dscoular`: | ok rename or remove it |
| [12:39:11] | dscoular`: | try a rclirc restart |
| [12:39:42] | Pete__: | wait wait.. thats because the lircd.conf will be wrong now |
| [12:40:38] | dscoular`: | Didn't you copy the one for the grey hauppauge remo |
| [12:41:11] | Pete__: | I just copied the /usr/share/lirc/remotes/happauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge |
| [12:41:24] | Pete__: | note both the new and old remotes have the same colour |
| [12:41:25] | dscoular`: | there should be two |
| [12:41:39] | dscoular`: | there used to be a black one as well |
| [12:41:53] | dscoular`: | Try that one... then you can try my hand crafted one |
| [12:42:15] | dscoular`: | http://spug.servebeer.com/lircd.conf |
| [12:42:21] | ** sean33 waves a media center cd at his very naughty myth box in a threating manner ** | |
| [12:42:30] | dscoular`: | if that doesn't do it for ya |
| [12:42:52] | ** dscoular` has image of red rags and bulls ** | |
| [12:43:06] | ** stuarta discovers he's recorded platoon & silence of the lambs twice... ** | |
| [12:43:13] | Pete__: | same "Starting lircd .....Error: no device found" |
| [12:43:19] | dscoular`: | that's a lotta silence |
| [12:43:40] | dscoular`: | is there anything in the /etc/lircd.conf that looks like it refers to a device |
| [12:43:48] | dscoular`: | and is that with my lircd.conf ? |
| [12:43:59] | dscoular`: | or hauppauge |
| [12:44:23] | Pete__: | they look fairly similar |
| [12:44:55] | dscoular`: | is there an /etc/init.d on SuSE ? |
| [12:45:06] | Pete__: | yes |
| [12:45:09] | dscoular`: | and if so, is there a lircd startup script |
| [12:45:15] | Pete__: | yes |
| [12:45:26] | Pete__: | well its called lirc, not lircd |
| [12:45:26] | dscoular`: | can you paste it's content into http://pastebin.ca and let me know the id |
| [12:46:05] | Pete__: | the lirc script? |
| [12:46:16] | dscoular`: | yep |
| [12:46:37] | Pete__: | http://pastebin.ca/56862 |
| [12:46:40] | dscoular`: | thx |
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| [12:47:49] | dscoular`: | ok, lets go the manual route first... |
| [12:48:23] | dscoular`: | more /proc/bus/input/devices |
| [12:48:46] | dscoular`: | this should let you identify which /dev/input/event{0,1,2,3} is your remo |
| [12:48:59] | Pete__: | http://i4.tinypic.com/102m26e.jpg theres the new and old remotes |
| [12:49:21] | dscoular`: | lets try and get the one that matches mine going first |
| [12:50:08] | Pete__: | Nem^: Name="Budget-CI dvb ir receiver saa7146 (0)" |
| [12:50:13] | Pete__: | Nem^: Name="Budget-CI dvb ir receiver saa7146 (0)" |
| [12:50:14] | dscoular`: | ok |
| [12:50:30] | Pete__: | Sysfs=/class/input/input3 |
| [12:50:36] | dscoular`: | perfect |
| [12:50:51] | dscoular`: | So your device is /dev/input/event3 |
| [12:51:05] | dscoular`: | now stop lirc |
| [12:51:11] | dscoular`: | then do this |
| [12:51:21] | Pete__: | ok |
| [12:52:04] | Pete__: | back in about 5–10 minutes, sorry |
| [12:52:04] | dscoular`: | lircd -d /dev/input/event3 |
| [12:52:07] | dscoular`: | np |
| [12:52:28] | hashbang: | Pete__: you might also want something a bit like this: |
| [12:52:36] | hashbang: | SUBSYSTEM=="input", SYSFS{vendor}=="0x14f1", NAME="input/%k", SYMLINK="input/novair-%b" |
| [12:52:51] | hashbang: | in /etc/udev/10-ir.rules |
| [12:53:11] | hashbang: | otherwise your device nodes might tend to shuffle around between boots |
| [12:53:14] | dscoular`: | why... udev has already loaded the correct driver |
| [12:53:22] | dscoular`: | ah |
| [12:53:23] | hashbang: | dscoular: udev doesn't load drivers. |
| [12:53:32] | hashbang: | dscoular: udev just creates device nodes |
| [12:53:38] | dscoular`: | oh |
| [12:54:00] | ** dscoular` learns something valuable ** | |
| [12:54:06] | dscoular`: | thanks hashbang |
| [12:54:08] | hashbang: | dscoular: that line will create a device node that includes the PCI bus ID, which should (hopefully) stay static for a given kernel/BIOS revision. |
| [12:54:48] | dscoular`: | ah... I thought coldplug was for that. |
| [12:55:07] | dscoular`: | has coldplug been rolled up into udev ? |
| [12:55:12] | ** dscoular` is v. confused ** | |
| [12:55:16] | hashbang: | obv. the vendor ID and symlink name might need to be changed for different cards. |
| [12:55:39] | ** hashbang has no binary named 'coldplug' on his FC4 system. ** | |
| [12:56:05] | dscoular`: | Ah... Pete__ has SuSE |
| [12:57:48] | dscoular`: | maybe coldplug went the way of hotplug and udev replaced em |
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| [13:19:14] | Pete__: | hi again |
| [13:19:24] | dscoular`: | hey ho |
| [13:19:41] | dscoular`: | ok, ensure no lircd process is running |
| [13:19:49] | dscoular`: | do lircd --help |
| [13:20:01] | ** Juski crosses his fingers & hopes Seagate are gonna be helpful ** | |
| [13:20:05] | dscoular`: | is there a logfile option on your version ? |
| [13:20:33] | Pete__: | -L |
| [13:20:37] | dscoular`: | sweet |
| [13:20:40] | dscoular`: | do this |
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| [13:21:01] | dscoular`: | lircd -d /dev/input/event3 --logfile=/tmp/lircd.log |
| [13:21:17] | Pete__: | done |
| [13:21:20] | dscoular`: | now run "irw" |
| [13:21:27] | dscoular`: | You should not get a prompt back |
| [13:21:34] | dscoular`: | Now hit some keys on the remo |
| [13:21:41] | dscoular`: | what do you get ? |
| [13:21:50] | Pete__: | ah it just went back to the prompt |
| [13:22:11] | dscoular`: | bugger... whats in your /tmp/lircd.log (this usually means lircd died) |
| [13:22:31] | Pete__: | May 18 13:53:39 NNC0026 lircd: lircd(userspace) ready |
| [13:22:32] | Pete__: | thats it |
| [13:22:38] | Pete__: | (clock is wrong) |
| [13:22:39] | dscoular`: | and it's died ? |
| [13:23:07] | Pete__: | well, I press stuff and I get it output in the focused app |
| [13:23:35] | Pete__: | so 5<pause>555 etc still |
| [13:23:35] | dscoular`: | ps -ef |grep lircd |
| [13:23:48] | Pete__: | root 6193 1 0 13:55 ? 00:00:00 lircd -d /dev/input/event3 --logfile=/tmp/lircd.log |
| [13:23:49] | Pete__: | pete 6198 4434 0 13:56 ? 00:00:00 sh -c ps -ef |grep lircd |
| [13:23:49] | Pete__: | pete 6200 6198 0 13:56 ? 00:00:00 grep lircd |
| [13:24:19] | dscoular`: | lsof -p 6139 |
| [13:24:37] | dscoular`: | do you see /etc/lircd.conf as being open ? |
| [13:24:44] | Pete__: | 6193 you mean |
| [13:24:55] | dscoular`: | yep, sorry |
| [13:25:30] | Pete__: | not apparently |
| [13:26:25] | dscoular`: | lsof -p 6139 should list all open files... right ? |
| [13:26:41] | dscoular`: | including dynamically linked libs |
| [13:27:28] | Pete__: | yes, except its still got a PID of 6193 |
| [13:27:33] | Pete__: | no /etc/lircd.conf though |
| [13:27:34] | dscoular`: | doh! |
| [13:27:46] | dscoular`: | is there something that looks similar though ? |
| [13:28:10] | Pete__: | nope |
| [13:28:55] | Pete__: | I didn't plan to use this setup anyway for infrared. |
| [13:28:57] | dscoular`: | well... sounds like a weird SuSEism |
| [13:29:07] | Pete__: | nothing new |
| [13:29:33] | ** dscoular` heads for the land of nod ** | |
| [13:29:37] | Pete__: | any good remotes / recievers (with good pickup range/angles) that anyone would like to reccommend? |
| [13:31:49] | Pete__: | dscoular`: thanks for the help |
| [13:32:11] | dscoular`: | your welcome |
| [13:32:23] | Pete__: | do you use the supplied remote? |
| [13:32:29] | dscoular`: | yeah |
| [13:32:44] | Pete__: | ah |
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| [13:43:11] | sean33: | is there a way to keep the channel osd on screen ? |
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| [13:50:34] | sean33: | i get a green edge around the image only in digital |
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| [13:52:51] | vid01: | Hi |
| [13:53:06] | vid01 is now known as Criten | |
| [13:53:18] | Criten is now known as vid01 | |
| [13:53:24] | vid01: | is anyone here? |
| [13:54:05] | SarahEmm: | hihi |
| [13:54:57] | sean33: | nope |
| [13:55:12] | vid01: | Im running Debian with KDE and when i run the configure filr it says ./configure: line 2958: qmake: command not foun |
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| [13:56:54] | sean33: | give up and install something that works :) |
| [13:57:15] | vid01: | maybe later ~_^ |
| [13:57:19] | mostr: | lol |
| [13:57:32] | SarahEmm: | vid01: is Qt installed? |
| [13:57:42] | vid01: | lol i just thought of that |
| [13:57:46] | SarahEmm: | heh |
| [13:58:00] | ** stuarta bangs his head against the wall... ** | |
| [13:58:09] | vid01: | hopefully its in Synaptic |
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| [13:59:52] | vid01: | yay! it is |
| [14:00:33] | stuarta: | what about qt-dev? |
| [14:01:28] | vid01: | its all doenloading |
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| [14:06:25] | vid01: | thanks guys -,- |
| [14:06:30] | vid01: | its compileing now |
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| [14:08:44] | SarahEmm: | np |
| [14:09:05] | vid01: | i just hope it works from here |
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| [14:39:37] | Juski: | wooohooo! these 750GB disks have firmware that works with our stuff :-) just configured a 3TB unit |
| [14:39:47] | stuarta: | nice.... |
| [14:39:57] | mostr: | sweet |
| [14:40:06] | mostr: | how much are those drives? |
| [14:40:13] | Juski: | about £320 each |
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| [14:40:36] | Juski: | not as cheap per GB as 320GB disks |
| [14:41:03] | Juski: | but then, not even DVD-R is that cheap |
| [14:41:07] | mostr: | how much are 320's where you are? |
| [14:41:21] | mostr: | I can get a 320 in Canada for $150 |
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| [14:41:35] | Juski: | £0.24 per GB |
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| [14:42:44] | Juski: | mostr: £77.30 for a 320GB Sata2 drive. £30 for a 80GB drive. |
| [14:44:51] | vid01: | how much is a pound to a us dollor? |
| [14:45:14] | mostr: | I'm in canada |
| [14:45:20] | MORA: | ~1.8 |
| [14:45:28] | mostr: | and it's like one pound costs me $2.25 |
| [14:45:40] | armand: | because the dollar sucks |
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| [14:45:44] | imperfect-: | Howdy |
| [14:46:01] | vid01: | hi |
| [14:46:13] | imperfect-: | Is it possible to have 2 backends writing saved recordings to the same directory? |
| [14:46:25] | imperfect-: | One backend would have the path the locally, the second mounted NFS? |
| [14:46:44] | mostr: | imper: yes, that's the way to do it |
| [14:46:57] | imperfect-: | k |
| [14:47:02] | imperfect-: | just making sure there wasn't a conflict |
| [14:49:54] | vid01: | how long does this take to compile |
| [14:49:54] | vid01: | lol |
| [14:50:06] | vid01: | i wish this comp didnt sux |
| [14:50:07] | imperfect-: | distcc is your friend ;) |
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| [14:50:37] | vid01: | -,- |
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| [14:51:08] | vid01: | i wana get my server working D= |
| [14:51:54] | vid01: | i finialy got sql working yesterday :P |
| [14:52:14] | vid01: | that made me happy |
| [14:57:55] | mostr: | what distro are you using? |
| [15:02:30] | vid01: | debian |
| [15:02:36] | vid01: | sql was working |
| [15:02:42] | vid01: | i just didnt know what i was doing |
| [15:02:42] | vid01: | lol |
| [15:03:16] | vid01: | first time using sql in linux |
| [15:03:26] | mostr: | I run fedora, because I don't have the time to dicker with something else to get it working. |
| [15:03:26] | vid01: | im used to having phpmyadmin.. |
| [15:03:58] | vid01: | i used to run fedora core 4 |
| [15:04:02] | imperfect-: | the mysql website |
| [15:04:11] | imperfect-: | has all the documentation you'll need |
| [15:04:14] | vid01: | i know |
| [15:04:17] | vid01: | i got it all working |
| [15:04:42] | vid01: | i got sound working this morrning |
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| [15:05:31] | vid01: | last night i could only use kmix in root... so i couldn't hear anything exept if i was logged in as root |
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| [15:09:15] | vid01: | ok back... |
| [15:10:23] | sean33: | wierd |
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| [15:12:22] | bigslam: | yo |
| [15:12:30] | bigslam: | http://www.crypticnetwork.org/slack/snapshot2.png |
| [15:12:36] | bigslam: | anyone have an idea why thats doing that |
| [15:12:46] | dions: | Hi I have a question. How can i tell what standard to use? NTSC or PAL etc.. |
| [15:13:02] | bigslam: | where do you live? |
| [15:13:18] | dions: | US Maine |
| [15:13:25] | vid01: | US New Hampshire |
| [15:13:34] | bigslam: | NTSC is used by USA and Japan i think its japan |
| [15:13:44] | vid01: | where in maine? |
| [15:13:44] | bigslam: | and Pal is used by the rest of the world |
| [15:13:57] | bigslam: | so use NTSC |
| [15:14:21] | Zider: | there are some other ntsc countries, and pal can also be available in the US.. but that's rare cases.. |
| [15:14:24] | dions: | andover |
| [15:14:49] | vid01: | never herd of it >.> |
| [15:15:33] | C4T3l: | has anyone ever had the buffer1.nuv file suddenly "lock you out" of watching TV |
| [15:15:50] | dions: | Cool thanks just getting into learning about this stuff. Is there a website that will explain this stuff better? I will aslo google it. |
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| [15:16:40] | bigslam: | the wiki is a good start |
| [15:18:06] | C4T3l: | yesterday /mnt/store/buffer f'ed up somehow and the buffer.nuv file had no perms on it. has this ever happened to anyone else |
| [15:20:14] | imperfect-: | well bklah |
| [15:20:20] | imperfect-: | I've got a Free2Air card |
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| [15:20:24] | imperfect-: | and I see the backend saying it's recording |
| [15:20:31] | imperfect-: | yet it's not creating the file |
| [15:21:55] | AngryElf: | i presume you can only record one channel at once with a HD firewire cablebox, yes? |
| [15:22:42] | vid01: | unless you have two |
| [15:22:49] | vid01: | thats my guess |
| [15:22:51] | AngryElf: | well...yea |
| [15:22:58] | vid01: | but not with one |
| [15:23:16] | vid01: | yea.. there we go |
| [15:23:28] | AngryElf: | that's what i figured |
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| [15:25:17] | Juski: | I think I heard someone say you can get a dual-tuner cable box with firewire output – so erm... google is your friend |
| [15:25:30] | vid01: | it makes me mad.... the avi codec is built in now |
| [15:25:31] | vid01: | lol |
| [15:25:49] | vid01: | i went threw so much trubble getting it working like 2 years ago |
| [15:25:49] | Juski: | avi codec? |
| [15:25:50] | elvisthedj: | Anybody care to offer some thoughts on an audio issue with mythphone? Garbled audio?? google isn't my friend today |
| [15:25:59] | vid01: | well divx or whatever it is |
| [15:26:05] | Juski: | mpeg4 |
| [15:27:36] | vid01: | yea there we go... |
| [15:27:51] | imperfect-: | elvisthedj : re-design RTP! |
| [15:29:06] | elvisthedj: | imperfect- eh?? I've seen lots of posts from mythphone users and since i can't find any help, i was assuming it wasn't a common problem |
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| [15:29:58] | AngryElf: | i'm lookin at this chip: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103537 for a SlaveBackend(for firewire HD) + Frontend Box....it would not have a large HD in it to hold file.....what do you guys think? |
| [15:31:14] | AngryElf: | it's basically newegg's cheapest 64bit AMD processor |
| [15:31:24] | vid01: | it would def be fast enough |
| [15:31:32] | psofa: | stuarta, hows my bug doing? |
| [15:31:46] | psofa: | you've got any link to a bug report or sth |
| [15:31:51] | psofa: | so i can stop asking? |
| [15:32:04] | Zider: | does everyone shop at newegg nowadays..? :) |
| [15:32:11] | vid01: | YES!!!! it finished compileing |
| [15:32:19] | vid01: | yes |
| [15:32:24] | vid01: | newegg is like.... the best |
| [15:32:33] | vid01: | ~_^ |
| [15:32:50] | Zider: | I just heard about it like.. a couple of weeks ago.. don't even know what they're offering.. :D |
| [15:32:59] | vid01: | lol |
| [15:33:08] | elvisthedj: | ok, let me try a different approach... if you were troubleshooting this audio issue with mythphone and had: tried multiple sip providers (FWD and directly to asterisk server), multiple sound cards (onboard and audigy) and all the codecs (gsm doesn't work at all.. ulaw and alaw are unintelligable).. any thoughts on what else to look at? |
| [15:33:46] | vid01: | newegg is VERRY good just becasue there products are so organized :P |
| [15:33:57] | armand: | except they charge tax |
| [15:34:00] | armand: | and arent the cheapest |
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| [15:34:10] | vid01: | so... |
| [15:34:10] | armand: | other than that! they're great! |
| [15:34:10] | armand: | :) |
| [15:34:10] | ** Juski can't wait to hear people moan about newegg losing their order ** | |
| [15:34:11] | vid01: | yupp :) |
| [15:34:11] | AngryElf: | so it shouldn't have a problem recording a HD stream and watching one at the same time (the files are across the network on a fileserver) |
| [15:34:24] | vid01: | newegg has never losty my order |
| [15:34:27] | Zider: | I think I'll stick with more local retailers :D |
| [15:34:28] | Juski: | AngryElf: unless you use something lame like wireless |
| [15:34:46] | vid01: | local retailers are the most expensive :P |
| [15:34:57] | elvisthedj: | i thought newegg only charged tax in states they had a physical presence in (don't remember which 3) |
| [15:35:10] | vid01: | i dont think they charge me tax.... |
| [15:35:14] | Juski: | vid01: cheaper != better |
| [15:35:24] | vid01: | there also reliable |
| [15:35:24] | UBL: | i always get good prices from local retailers, i have no need to buy online |
| [15:35:27] | Zider: | vid01: local as in this country :P |
| [15:35:32] | vid01: | :P |
| [15:35:53] | Juski: | local is best when you have problems. local retailers can be more friendly & helpful when it comes to buying stuff that turns out to be incompatible |
| [15:36:09] | vid01: | well yea.. |
| [15:36:15] | vid01: | also if its just something cheap |
| [15:36:30] | Juski: | so yeah – mailorder / web is great until you have problems :-P |
| [15:36:36] | vid01: | :P |
| [15:36:42] | stuarta: | psofa: like a fried whelk. |
| [15:36:55] | vid01: | so far newegg has made me happy ^_^ |
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| [15:37:53] | Juski: | problem I have with mailorder etc is that I _work_ to be able to pay for stuff, so I'm never in when it's delivered (because I'm at _work_), and I end up spending ages round at some depot or other while the warehouse monkeys discover the thing has been put back on the van |
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| [15:38:15] | armand: | get it shipped to work? |
| [15:38:16] | vid01: | lol |
| [15:38:36] | vid01: | im always hoeme... |
| [15:38:36] | Juski: | how many places ship to non-cardholder addresses? |
| [15:38:41] | vid01: | exept when im at school |
| [15:38:54] | armand: | juski: you just have to add your work address as an authorized shipping address with your card |
| [15:39:03] | Juski: | can't do that |
| [15:39:10] | armand: | odd... all of mine allowed me |
| [15:39:16] | armand: | from my check card, to my mastercard, to my amex |
| [15:39:17] | vid01: | im waiting till im 16 to get a job |
| [15:39:18] | armand: | *shrug*.. |
| [15:39:28] | Juski: | not visa, not my bank... |
| [15:39:33] | Juski: | UK :-/ |
| [15:39:35] | armand: | ah |
| [15:39:48] | armand: | <-- usa, had no problems.. |
| [15:40:03] | Juski: | fraud is lower in the USA maybe |
| [15:40:15] | imperfect-: | hardyly |
| [15:40:16] | imperfect-: | ;) |
| [15:40:32] | Juski: | or companies actually bend over backwards in favour of the _customer_ (now there's a concept) |
| [15:40:33] | vid01: | is it "mythtv-setup" |
| [15:40:33] | vid01: | ? |
| [15:40:34] | armand: | or our systems are more uptodate with the needs of the population :P "all these bastards want to ship their shit to work, we better put something in place to allow this" — baddabing, they do :) |
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| [15:40:45] | Juski: | vid01: yup. since 0.17 it is |
| [15:40:57] | vid01: | command not found -,- |
| [15:41:12] | armand: | when my bank got bought out by BofA they argued with me for 15minutes on the phone saying they couldnt do it, had to get a supervisor etc etc, finally they said they could and ive had no problems |
| [15:41:20] | Juski: | wrong $PATH exported, vid01 ? |
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| [15:42:07] | vid01: | hmm? |
| [15:42:32] | Juski: | check the documentation again |
| [15:43:40] | Juski: | itchy feet... |
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| [15:44:19] | vid01: | what dir do i have to be in... |
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| [15:45:11] | vid01: | ok.... i just installed it what now.. i remember it just working before..... |
| [15:45:17] | vid01: | when i was using slackware |
| [15:45:51] | BULLE: | so, what linux distribution do you guys recommend for a mythtv box ? |
| [15:46:07] | armand: | whichever one you know |
| [15:46:33] | BULLE: | i am more thinking ease of installing mythtv |
| [15:46:54] | armand: | your ease of installing mythtv will depend on how well you know the distro you're installing it on :) |
| [15:46:55] | Merlin83b2: | Will the box do anything else? |
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| [15:47:15] | BULLE: | Merlin83b2: yes, some basic stuff like running a webserver, mail etc |
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| [15:47:26] | BULLE: | Merlin83b2: so i dont think knoppmyth is a good choice |
| [15:47:30] | Merlin83b2: | Okay :-) |
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| [15:47:44] | vid01: | oh oh oh i got it |
| [15:47:50] | vid01: | well... halfway |
| [15:48:12] | Merlin83b2: | My KM box runs as a webserver and could do mailserver easily enough. If you want to run other user stuff under X then it would be a poor choice. |
| [15:48:23] | BULLE: | i would want to run some X stuff aswell, yes |
| [15:48:46] | vid01: | mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.19.so.0: cannotopen shared object file: No such file or directory |
| [15:48:52] | vid01: | ... |
| [15:49:00] | Merlin83b2: | BULLE: Then as armand said, whatever you're most familiar with. |
| [15:49:00] | laga: | vid01: read the docs again :) |
| [15:49:15] | BULLE: | Merlin83b2: i was hoping to find some premade packages for some distros |
| [15:49:19] | BULLE: | Merlin83b2: so i could rely on that |
| [15:49:29] | BULLE: | Merlin83b2: it was hell last time i compiled mythtv all from scratch, on an old redhat box |
| [15:49:30] | Zider: | there are packages for some systems at least |
| [15:49:30] | Merlin83b2: | BULLE: Go read the install howto. FC has a good howto. |
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| [15:49:50] | Merlin83b2: | Good job hashbang left, I was about to recommend the atrpms route :-) |
| [15:49:58] | BULLE: | thanks |
| [15:51:13] | vid01: | this is going to kill me... |
| [15:51:20] | armand: | thats no good |
| [15:51:24] | vid01: | lol |
| [15:51:27] | armand: | :) |
| [15:51:33] | Zider: | vid01: if you like I could kill you first.. ;) |
| [15:51:40] | vid01: | maybe later |
| [15:51:41] | armand: | what doesnt kill ya makes ya stronger! |
| [15:52:00] | vid01: | ok i type in "mythtv-setup" |
| [15:52:04] | vid01: | and it gives me that error |
| [15:52:07] | vid01: | mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.19.so.0: cannotopen shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| [15:55:50] | laga: | vid01: RTFM, it's in there |
| [15:56:05] | vid01: | -,- |
| [15:56:08] | vid01: | im looking |
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| [15:58:20] | scopeuk: | ok i know its random and slightly ot but has anyone used any netgear rackmount network gear im lookign at one fo the gigabit offerings but whould prefer it if it was quieter than the intel its replacing |
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| [15:58:44] | scopeuk: | jsut wondering if anyone can comment on the noise level |
| [15:58:59] | stuarta: | not at gigabit speeds, only the 10/100 stuff |
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| [15:59:09] | vid01: | hey... i got it |
| [15:59:11] | vid01: | thanks |
| [15:59:12] | vid01: | :P |
| [15:59:51] | vid01: | sorry im new at this and im REALLY not good at solving problems.... |
| [16:00:00] | scopeuk: | stuarta how is the level on the 10/100 stuff |
| [16:00:12] | scopeuk: | vid01 join the blub |
| [16:00:15] | Merlin83b2: | You seem to be doing okay with the occasional instruction to rtfm, vid01 |
| [16:00:27] | scopeuk: | club* |
| [16:00:31] | vid01: | lol |
| [16:00:36] | armand: | hehe |
| [16:00:58] | stuarta: | given the other hardware & AC we had, you couldn't here anything, let alone a hum |
| [16:01:07] | stuarta: | s/here/hear/ |
| [16:01:59] | scopeuk: | stuarta ok |
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| [16:02:07] | scopeuk: | think is it will be in a domestic setting |
| [16:02:13] | _bobbyz: | is there a gentoo ebuild for the subversion mythtv code? |
| [16:02:29] | scopeuk: | im obably better investing in domestic grade gear (eg external transformer) |
| [16:03:02] | stuarta: | most of the rack sized stuff has a small fan in it, and they make a racket (3coms esp.) |
| [16:03:11] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [16:03:17] | scopeuk: | the intell is quite loud |
| [16:03:23] | scopeuk: | id consider modifying it |
| [16:03:26] | stuarta: | avoid fans = happiness |
| [16:03:36] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [16:06:38] | vid01: | wow.... |
| [16:06:41] | vid01: | error |
| [16:06:41] | vid01: | lol |
| [16:08:11] | vid01: | what does this mean |
| [16:08:20] | scopeuk: | which bit? |
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| [16:08:27] | vid01: | 2006-05–18 07:16:01.515 Failed to init MythContext, exiting. |
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| [16:13:45] | vid01: | what do i need to do after installing? |
| [16:14:00] | vid01: | before mythtv-setup |
| [16:14:10] | laga: | initialize the database |
| [16:14:13] | vid01: | i set up the database |
| [16:16:11] | xris: | then setup is the next step |
| [16:16:42] | vid01: | then did i setup the database wrong? |
| [16:16:44] | vid01: | ... |
| [16:17:09] | xris: | would help to have an error message |
| [16:17:50] | vid01: | well it prints |
| [16:17:52] | vid01: | 2006-05–18 07:24:34.089 Unable to connect to database! |
| [16:17:53] | vid01: | 2006-05–18 07:24:34.090 No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
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| [16:17:55] | vid01: | QSqlQuery::exec: database not open |
| [16:17:55] | vid01: | QSqlQuery::exec: database not open |
| [16:17:55] | vid01: | 2006-05–18 07:24:34.170 DB Error (KickDatabase): |
| [16:17:55] | vid01: | Query was: |
| [16:17:56] | vid01: | SELECT NULL; |
| [16:18:03] | vid01: | thast like alot... |
| [16:18:09] | vid01: | then it goes into the gui setup |
| [16:18:37] | xris: | sounds like the database isn't running, or you didn't compile mysql support into qt |
| [16:18:53] | vid01: | the database is running |
| [16:19:01] | vid01: | so its probably the second one |
| [16:19:12] | daxxar: | Can someone recommend a good mediacenter-application? (Centered around media instead of TV) |
| [16:20:12] | armand: | i only use mythtv, so no |
| [16:21:15] | xris: | daxxar: I think the problem is that 99% of people with a "media center" also watch tv. |
| [16:21:23] | vid01: | lol |
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| [16:21:41] | xris: | vid01: which distro? |
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| [16:22:45] | laga: | daxxar: maybe freevo... |
| [16:23:12] | ** xris thinks a squeezebox would be a better way to go for daxxar ** | |
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| [16:24:08] | vid01: | debian |
| [16:25:12] | daxxar: | squeezebox is a) for music, b) cannot be upgraded with a tv-tuner and uhm, c) isn't as customizable? :) |
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| [16:26:03] | xris: | daxxar: I thought they made a video-capable version |
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| [16:26:09] | xris: | and you just said you didn't WANT tv. |
| [16:26:14] | daxxar: | Oh, perhaps. |
| [16:26:33] | xris: | vid01: odd. that should be fine, then. Can you connect to the database from the commandline mysql client? |
| [16:26:36] | daxxar: | xris, I was asking for an application that wasn't *CENTERED* around TV. ;-) |
| [16:26:38] | xris: | (with the mythtv user/password) |
| [16:26:42] | vid01: | yes |
| [16:26:57] | daxxar: | xris, and only until I decide to go for a TV-tuner. Then it's easily MythTV. ;) |
| [16:27:05] | daxxar: | When I say TV I do not mean TV output, I mean TV-signal input. ;) |
| [16:27:36] | xris: | daxxar: yes, figured that... anyway, just run mythtv with no tuner configured. |
| [16:27:47] | xris: | you can always hack the theme to remove the "watch tv" link |
| [16:28:00] | daxxar: | Hm, yeah. Perhaps. |
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| [16:28:09] | xris: | vid01: and verified that the mythconverg database exists., etc? |
| [16:28:23] | nero_office: | Can someone suggest a good, quiet DVD+-R/RW etc, drive?? |
| [16:28:31] | vid01: | brb.... |
| [16:29:21] | daxxar: | xris, reason I was looking was because you said: "> xris> daxxar: but those suck." about the non-TV-applications of MythTV. :-P |
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| [16:30:15] | vid01: | yeaits there.... |
| [16:30:55] | xris: | daxxar: mythvideo is apparently ok, but has been a PITA every time I've used it. mythmusic will likely be rewritten this summer. |
| [16:31:07] | daxxar: | Mkay |
| [16:31:08] | vid01: | is there a default pass or something... |
| [16:31:11] | xris: | and you can't beat mythweb, but that's mainly just for tv stuff (and I'm biased since I wrote it) |
| [16:31:27] | daxxar: | Hehehe |
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| [16:31:35] | xris: | vid01: I just asked if you connected with the mythtv login/password and you said yes. |
| [16:31:45] | xris: | mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg (notice no space after the -p) |
| [16:31:51] | xris: | vid01: that' |
| [16:32:00] | xris: | that's what it should be if you ran the mc.sql command |
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| [16:33:44] | coffee88: | xris: i've come across one issue with mythweb... I assume you know of it already? it is.... |
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| [16:33:51] | coffee88: | if you try say to an already recording show "don't rocord", you get an ugly error and recording continues? |
| [16:34:27] | coffee88: | by already I mean currently.... |
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| [16:34:36] | xris: | coffee88: if the show is recording, it shouldn't show in that list. |
| [16:35:00] | armand: | currently recording shows show up in upcoming recordings |
| [16:35:07] | coffee88: | hmmm. shows up in upcoming recordings with a C, if my memory is right... |
| [16:35:09] | armand: | which is good, actually, that always ticked me off about .18 hehe |
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| [16:35:47] | vid01: | ... |
| [16:35:49] | coffee88: | actaully, is there any other way to cancel an already recording show in mythweb? |
| [16:35:50] | vid01: | it allworks |
| [16:36:03] | vid01: | but not with mythtv-setup |
| [16:38:44] | Juski: | coffee88: no there isn't |
| [16:39:16] | coffee88: | oh well. the remote's never that far away... |
| [16:40:27] | armand: | dont believe there is, no |
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| [16:44:00] | Juski: | stuarta: you still around? just checking out mythtv-eit now... should I just ./configure etc as usual ? |
| [16:44:14] | armand: | whats mythtv-eit? |
| [16:44:33] | Juski: | armand: a branch of svn for eit testing |
| [16:44:47] | Juski: | eit == epg over the air with dvb |
| [16:45:01] | armand: | Electrical Impedance Tomography? |
| [16:45:04] | armand: | ph |
| [16:45:05] | armand: | oh |
| [16:47:12] | onetwo: | I'm thinking that I need to setup a windows box to get the football on the bbc from freesat in the uk – which is either DVB-s or DVB-s2 depending on which post you read. This is not DVB-T I am not in London. |
| [16:47:29] | Juski: | onetwo: it's dvb-s apparently |
| [16:47:53] | onetwo: | I heard that it would be switching – some time (probably the night before the football starts!) |
| [16:47:55] | Juski: | onetwo: if it's dvb-s2, you're screwed in Linux for now – no driver support as yet |
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| [16:48:30] | onetwo: | just to clarify ("the night before the football starts" is not based on anything – I don't want to start a rumour) |
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| [16:48:40] | Juski: | if there was anybody using dvb-s with the HD freesat streams it'd be all over the mailing list I reckon |
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| [16:49:36] | Juski: | I read yesterday that it's gonna at least be mpeg2, which _should_ just work out of the box, cos the h.264 streams in the BBC local mux in london are causing some hassle.. work is needed on the ffmpeg code |
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| [16:49:47] | vid01: | is xris here? |
| [16:50:19] | Juski: | vid01: if you have a question just ask it ;-) |
| [16:51:02] | vid01: | how do i run mc.sql |
| [16:51:09] | vid01: | well.. not run -,- |
| [16:51:18] | vid01: | u know what i mean.. |
| [16:51:26] | Juski: | mysql -u root < mc.sql |
| [16:51:51] | Juski: | or if you've passworded the root mysql user, mysql -u root -p < mc.sql |
| [16:52:12] | onetwo: | I head mpeg4 avc and it used combination interlaced and progressive blocks which is within the standard but not necessarily implemented in all codecs |
| [16:52:17] | Juski: | you know.. like all the howto guides tell you to do, vid01 |
| [16:52:39] | onetwo: | aparrently ffmpeg doesn't but coreavc will just about now – there are patches for it apparently. |
| [16:52:53] | Juski: | onetwo: it's something that hadn't been implemented in ffmpeg but they're looking at it |
| [16:53:02] | Juski: | until now there was no need ;-) |
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| [16:55:26] | vid01: | is that suspose to make the tables? |
| [16:55:44] | _bobbyz: | can mythtv's directfb output be used with the vesafb kernel driver (DirectFB/Graphics: MMX Software Rasterizer 0.6 (convergence integrated media GmbH)), or does it require one of the hardware-accelerated directfb drivers |
| [16:55:46] | _bobbyz: | ? |
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| [16:57:29] | vid01: | yea.. its not working |
| [16:58:11] | Juski: | _bobbyz: no idea. if you're only thinking about avoiding X I don't see the point |
| [16:59:02] | Juski: | vid01: it makes the mythconverg db – and that's about it. if you look inside the mc.sql file it'll say that much |
| [16:59:08] | _bobbyz: | Juski: the reason I'm going without X is that there are no working X servers that support video out on my ati card, but the video out on the framebuffer looks great |
| [16:59:36] | Juski: | _bobbyz: one kind of fb can be done, but it's a right PITA from what I've heard |
| [16:59:55] | onetwo: | There's some interesting stuff about fta dvb-s and bbc hd here http://forums.dvdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=3 . . . ht=bbc+dvb-s |
| [17:00:29] | _bobbyz: | Juski: I've gotten mythtv to compile with QT/E and directfb support, and everything works fine except for video playback right now (black screen) |
| [17:01:00] | _bobbyz: | Juski: if you can point me to anyone who has gotten the directfb output working, or any useful sources of information, I'd apprecaite it |
| [17:01:15] | Juski: | _bobbyz: maybe you need accelerated fb... but I'm not in the know about anything to do with fb related stuff |
| [17:01:37] | _bobbyz: | ok |
| [17:01:56] | vid01: | when i type in "mythtv-setup" it prints |
| [17:01:59] | vid01: | 2006-05–18 08:08:29.385 Database not open while trying to save setting: Language |
| [17:01:59] | vid01: | 2006-05–18 08:08:29.386 Unable to connect to database! |
| [17:01:59] | vid01: | 2006-05–18 08:08:29.387 No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| [17:02:00] | vid01: | QSqlQuery::exec: database not open |
| [17:02:01] | vid01: | QSqlQuery::exec: database not open |
| [17:02:01] | vid01: | 2006-05–18 08:08:29.445 DB Error (KickDatabase): |
| [17:02:02] | vid01: | Query was: |
| [17:02:04] | vid01: | SELECT NULL; |
| [17:02:18] | vid01: | well not the top onr |
| [17:02:27] | Juski: | qt-mysql needed |
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| [17:02:33] | vid01: | ... ok |
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| [17:05:40] | simcop2387: | hmm i need a way to get live tv from mythtv... maybe i'll have to write a module to interface directly to it in perl |
| [17:06:26] | kormoc: | simcop2387, why can't you just stream the recorded file, as all live tv is recorded right now |
| [17:09:30] | vid01: | i cant find qt-mysql... |
| [17:10:22] | kormoc: | vid01, what distro? |
| [17:11:07] | vid01: | debian |
| [17:11:26] | kormoc: | well then try to install qt-mysql and see what happens |
| [17:12:11] | vid01: | ?? i dont have it |
| [17:12:45] | Juski: | libqt4-sql ? |
| [17:13:06] | kormoc: | I would imagine that if it's complaining about it not being there, that you wouldn't have it installed. |
| [17:13:19] | Juski: | vid01: if you'd done apt-get install build-dep mythtv mythplugins ... |
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| [17:16:52] | vid01: | ok i think i got it |
| [17:17:28] | laga: | libqt4-sql sounds bad |
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| [17:17:42] | Juski: | oh shit yeah! |
| [17:17:51] | laga: | :P |
| [17:18:00] | Juski: | ah well |
| [17:18:00] | ** laga goes back to studying maths ** | |
| [17:18:16] | ** Juski sods off to do something interesting ** | |
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| [17:18:55] | vid01: | how can i test if i got qt-sql? |
| [17:19:34] | coffee88: | it works now? |
| [17:19:55] | vid01: | is it libqt3c102-mysql |
| [17:19:56] | vid01: | ?? |
| [17:22:35] | vid01: | ... |
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| [17:23:20] | kormoc: | vid01, /usr/qt/3/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so is mine, but that's on gentoo |
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| [17:29:05] | Juski: | eh? wtf is 'smiletv' ? |
| [17:29:36] | Juski: | fucking hell.._another_ quiz channel |
| [17:29:42] | Juski: | delete delete delete delete |
| [17:30:19] | coffee88: | who watches them, I'd like to know... |
| [17:30:33] | Juski: | people obviously do, or they'd not be on for long |
| [17:30:45] | coffee88: | must be an intersting demographic though... |
| [17:30:56] | Juski: | kev & sha Chav |
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| [17:31:19] | coffee88: | a bit high brow form them, surely?! |
| [17:31:20] | Juski: | jobless, hopeless, clueless – sadly not penniless |
| [17:31:36] | armand: | yet |
| [17:31:39] | armand: | ;) |
| [17:31:39] | simcop2387: | kormoc: i don't have a way to control what livetv is being "recorded" |
| [17:31:55] | Juski: | too long they've been saying TV is dumbing down.. it's not TV it's the people :-P |
| [17:32:07] | Juski: | simcop2387: _all_ livetv is recorded |
| [17:32:12] | coffee88: | egg. chicken. |
| [17:32:23] | Juski: | and before you ask, _no_ you can't stop it being recorded |
| [17:32:31] | simcop2387: | thats not what i'm saying |
| [17:32:46] | kormoc: | simcop2387, sure you do, there is a telnet interface to the frontend, you can telnet in and give it commands to change channels and all that |
| [17:33:05] | simcop2387: | kormoc: this needs to work without a frontend running |
| [17:33:34] | Juski: | simcop2387: get learning the mythtv protocol then |
| [17:34:01] | Juski: | have a look at the python scripts for XBMC – you'll likely get some clues there |
| [17:34:07] | Juski: | xbmcmythtv |
| [17:34:08] | simcop2387: | Juski: thats why i said i need to write a module to interface with the master backend :) |
| [17:34:38] | kormoc: | simcop2387, well, I know xris was/is working on perl binding into myth, so you might want to find out/help him with that |
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| [17:34:45] | Juski: | don't look at the code for winmyth, that's fer sure |
| [17:34:56] | simcop2387: | kormoc: cool |
| [17:35:09] | simcop2387: | Juski: i have that software blocked from memory |
| [17:35:44] | xris: | simcop2387: there's a rudimentary perl module in svn |
| [17:35:56] | simcop2387: | xris: cool i'll check it out and improve it |
| [17:36:10] | xris: | getting data from the backend is as easy as requesting it and reading from the pipe |
| [17:36:18] | simcop2387: | nice |
| [17:36:59] | simcop2387: | i'll have a streaming http server setup for transcoding video to work on mobile devices (specifically my zaurus but cell phones and other things would be easily possible) |
| [17:37:20] | simcop2387: | it could probably be intergrated into mythweb but i don't know php so i'm doing it in perl |
| [17:37:23] | xris: | simcop2387: part of that is already hooked into mythweb |
| [17:37:29] | xris: | (in perl) |
| [17:37:37] | simcop2387: | in perl? |
| [17:37:45] | xris: | can't stream with non-cgi |
| [17:37:51] | simcop2387: | ah |
| [17:38:02] | xris: | I'm waiting to hook up transcoding, though, until mythexport is written. |
| [17:38:07] | simcop2387: | hmm maybe i'll work on that then |
| [17:38:32] | simcop2387: | xris: i think i can do recordings via mythtranscode decently but i'm not sure yet how easy that'll be |
| [17:38:48] | xris: | mythtranscode doesn't transcode to non-myth formats. |
| [17:38:53] | xris: | I don't want mythweb users to have to install ffmpeg, transcode, vlc, etc. |
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| [17:39:24] | simcop2387: | i'll try to make this as a seperate thing and work with you guys then once mythexport exists |
| [17:42:02] | vid01: | still doesnt work.... |
| [17:42:17] | _bobbyz: | hey, I've seen the link to the mythtv mailing lists on gossamer-threads, but are there any places I can download the full list archives? |
| [17:42:34] | xris: | simcop2387: I'm happy to get help on the perl bindings, though... |
| [17:42:52] | simcop2387: | xris: absolutely :) |
| [17:42:54] | xris: | esp. if you know (or know anyone) who knows how to make qmake run a Makefile.PL |
| [17:43:15] | simcop2387: | no idea on that one |
| [17:43:57] | xris: | yeah, no one seems to |
| [17:44:09] | kormoc: | _bobbyz, you mean other then the downloadable version on the mythtv website? |
| [17:44:20] | vid01: | qt-mysql is installed but its still not connectingf |
| [17:44:27] | _bobbyz: | kormoc: I haven't see that |
| [17:44:38] | kormoc: | vid01, well, you could have mysql setup wrong or all that jazz |
| [17:44:44] | kormoc: | _bobbyz, http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ |
| [17:44:53] | vid01: | mysql works |
| [17:44:58] | _bobbyz: | kormoc: thanks |
| [17:44:59] | vid01: | i have other apps running with it |
| [17:45:23] | kormoc: | vid01, you sure you imported the mc.sql file and pointed myth to the right database and all that? |
| [17:45:31] | vid01: | yea |
| [17:45:33] | xris: | vid01: sorry for stepping away, had to deal with someone stealing my credit card number and playing poker with it. |
| [17:45:34] | vid01: | im pretty shure |
| [17:45:40] | Juski: | vid01: do you have a ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt file ? |
| [17:45:51] | xris: | vid01: mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg (notice no space after the -p) |
| [17:45:52] | vid01: | leme look |
| [17:46:01] | vid01: | u alreadyt told me to do that |
| [17:46:08] | kormoc: | does it work? |
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| [17:46:24] | ** xris grumbles ** | |
| [17:46:29] | simcop2387: | xris: i'll have a look at the current bindings and help out with them, it'll be neat to have a streaming server using mencoder (most likely) and POE::Component::Server::HTTP plus mythtv for doing it all |
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| [17:47:01] | vid01: | ok back |
| [17:47:08] | laga: | xris: ouch, that sucks |
| [17:47:09] | vid01: | the prog bombed.. |
| [17:47:25] | vid01: | and yes i have mysq.txt |
| [17:47:28] | vid01: | in that dir |
| [17:47:29] | xris: | vid01: did it work? (like I said, I missed any replies) |
| [17:47:36] | vid01: | yes it worked |
| [17:47:55] | kormoc: | so why don't you pastebin the full output from mythtv-setup for us to peer at |
| [17:47:56] | xris: | simcop2387: no need to start up a whole new http server process when apache does the job nicely |
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| [17:48:16] | simcop2387: | xris: this is more fun :) |
| [17:48:28] | simcop2387: | but you are right doing it with apache is nicer :) |
| [17:48:42] | ** kormoc thinks that the less ports open to the world, the better ** | |
| [17:48:44] | xris: | simcop2387: take a look at mythweb.pl and the stream module in mythweb svn |
| [17:49:16] | vid01: | everything looks fine in mysql.txt in .mythtv |
| [17:49:42] | xris: | vid01: mythtv-setup -v all |
| [17:50:01] | xris: | once I finish up some work on a paying contract (outside of my normal job) and summer of code starts up, I'll be updating that to deal with ffmpeg and streaming flash video.. so I'll have a cache management system/etc in place. |
| [17:50:27] | vid01: | when i run myth-setup |
| [17:50:29] | simcop2387: | xris: i'm currently planning on doing something like this for the recordings http://server/recordings/<channel_id>/& . . . lt;time>/ and each level is optional e.g. /recordings/<channel_id> would show a list of all the recordings from that channel and it'd get more specific as you go down, and just /recordings/ would show a list of all recordings and when you get to a single recording it'll show a description of it and a link to get the st |
| [17:50:29] | simcop2387: | reaming copy of it |
| [17:50:31] | vid01: | it prints: |
| [17:50:43] | vid01: | 2006-05–18 08:58:11.650 Unable to connect to database! |
| [17:50:43] | vid01: | 2006-05–18 08:58:11.650 No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| [17:50:43] | vid01: | QSqlQuery::exec: database not open |
| [17:50:44] | vid01: | QSqlQuery::exec: database not open |
| [17:50:44] | vid01: | 2006-05–18 08:58:11.705 DB Error (KickDatabase): |
| [17:50:45] | vid01: | Query was: |
| [17:50:46] | vid01: | SELECT NULL; |
| [17:50:50] | vid01: | like 50 times.... |
| [17:51:01] | xris: | simcop2387: seems silly when all of that info is already in mythweb |
| [17:51:18] | kormoc: | vid01, please don't flood, use pastebin.ca next time |
| [17:51:20] | xris: | vid01: you don't have selinux in debian, do you? |
| [17:51:39] | simcop2387: | xris: mythweb doesn't display well on a small screen (240x320) |
| [17:51:39] | vid01: | then gets into the setup gui |
| [17:51:56] | vid01: | selinux?? |
| [17:52:15] | kormoc: | vid01, secure linux, a bunch of extra security that tends to screw with things like this |
| [17:53:06] | vid01: | not that i know of |
| [17:53:20] | kormoc: | simcop2387, could just write a theme for mythweb? |
| [17:53:21] | vid01: | oh and thanks... i never knew about pastebin.ca |
| [17:53:28] | armand: | Businesses and individuals in Britain may soon have to give their encryption keys to the police or face imprisonment. The UK government has said it will bring in the new powers to address a rise in the use of encryption by criminals and terrorists. |
| [17:53:40] | armand: | wow and i thought noone could beat the US and our bullshit |
| [17:54:15] | xris: | simcop2387: streaming to phone or pda? |
| [17:54:34] | simcop2387: | xris: it'd be nice to do both but i'm doing pda at the moment |
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| [17:55:07] | xris: | simcop2387: can't just get a WAP browser for the pda? |
| [17:55:16] | simcop2387: | mythweb does WAP already? |
| [17:55:29] | xris: | and wml |
| [17:55:35] | xris: | has since like .17 |
| [17:55:56] | simcop2387: | i never saw taht |
| [17:56:16] | simcop2387: | ok well that'll probably fix that problem :) |
| [17:56:34] | vid01: | how do i test QSql? |
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| [17:58:36] | xris: | simcop2387: I don't know how much of mythweb is covered in the wap/wml templates, but am always happy to take additions. |
| [17:59:09] | vid01: | could it be that i still dont have qt-mysql |
| [17:59:17] | vid01: | installed correctly |
| [18:00:06] | kormoc: | sure could |
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| [18:03:21] | vid01: | where can i get qt-mysql.. |
| [18:04:00] | lucas123: | hey. I use mythtranscode to transcode my recordings to mpeg4, divx. I'm trying to convert these now to msmpeg4, so that directx on windows can read them. ffmpeg doesn't want to be convinced it can read these files. Does anybody know how to tell ffmpeg that it actually can? |
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| [18:06:29] | _nero_: | lucas123, with a stern tone in your voice? |
| [18:06:35] | _nero_: | (sorry- I have no idea) |
| [18:06:44] | sean33: | ok this is a rather un important question so feel free to just ignore like most of everything else i say but with xmame in mythtv acording to the man page and docs if you have a .xmamerc file it will read the config from that yet its not ? |
| [18:07:10] | lucas123: | _nero_ I tried, no luck :( |
| [18:08:09] | _nero_: | so it doesnt think it can read mpeg4? |
| [18:08:20] | _nero_: | or that it can write msmpeg4? |
| [18:10:08] | lucas123: | it thinks it cannot read it... it writes msmpeg4 fine. |
| [18:10:22] | lucas123: | if I play the file using mplayer it says it is using ffmpeg to decode it. |
| [18:10:32] | simcop2387: | are the nuv files? |
| [18:10:33] | vid01: | how do i install an rpm in debian.../ |
| [18:10:34] | lucas123: | ffodivx it calls the codec. |
| [18:10:45] | lucas123: | they're called .nuv, but they're mpeg2 files, transcoded to mpeg4 |
| [18:10:59] | simcop2387: | that doesn't make sense |
| [18:11:37] | simcop2387: | i don't think ffmpeg can read .nuv files, the codec doesn't matter but you can use mencoder to do just what you're wanting and make an avi at the same time |
| [18:12:01] | xris: | simcop2387: mencoder can't reliably read myth's nupplevideo files |
| [18:12:14] | simcop2387: | xris: hmm, didn't know that |
| [18:12:22] | xris: | vid01: you can't.. you use debs |
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| [18:12:39] | simcop2387: | he said he could play it fine so i'm assuming he can do it with that file :) |
| [18:12:52] | xris: | lucas123: if they're transcoded to mpeg4, they're not mpeg2 anymore.. and if you used myth, they're in a nupplevideo container. |
| [18:13:10] | xris: | simcop2387 can play, but you can't reliably seek, and you often get AV sync issues |
| [18:13:22] | simcop2387: | hmm |
| [18:13:54] | lucas123: | xris: do you also mean to say ffmpeg cannot read the nuppelvideo container? |
| [18:13:55] | simcop2387: | another reason why i just requant my videos with transcode to save space rather than transcoding them to mpeg2 |
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| [18:16:53] | sean33: | be good if the xmame man file wasnt full of BS |
| [18:17:23] | xris: | lucas123: I don't know about ffmpeg. what I do know is that mythtv does not use a standard nupplevideo container. |
| [18:17:34] | sean33: | because half of the optons dont do jack |
| [18:17:51] | xris: | simcop2387: you mean mpeg4? how about just cutting commercials to save space instead of reencoding/requanting at all? |
| [18:18:03] | vid01: | OMFG I GOT IT |
| [18:18:08] | vid01: | o-O |
| [18:18:12] | xris: | vid01: what was the problem? |
| [18:18:24] | vid01: | i installed more qt-stuff |
| [18:18:46] | xris: | did you install mythtv with apt or compile it by hand? |
| [18:18:49] | vid01: | i went into synaptic and got all the qt sql stuff |
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| [18:19:04] | vid01: | compiled it |
| [18:19:16] | endless_us: | hi all |
| [18:19:18] | vid01: | Hi |
| [18:19:24] | xris: | ahh. apt would have been easier. heh. so does `apt-get build-dep` |
| [18:19:33] | vid01: | ... |
| [18:19:41] | vid01: | wheres the fun in that..... |
| [18:19:42] | vid01: | lol |
| [18:19:53] | Juski: | I said apt-get build-dep |
| [18:20:12] | vid01: | ahh... who cares lol its working now.. |
| [18:20:16] | Juski: | sean33: how's MCE going then? |
| [18:20:19] | Juski: | :-P |
| [18:20:53] | endless_us: | I'm looking for a guide on how to install nexus-s rev.2.3 drivers on FC5. Please help. |
| [18:22:00] | Juski: | endless_us: are they not built into the kernel? |
| [18:23:27] | endless_us: | Yes they in kernel, but I read on some webs about patched drivers and fremware. Have no clue what to do. |
| [18:23:53] | Juski: | try www.linuxtv.org |
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| [18:24:44] | Juski: | googling around there don't seem to be many english language pages about it |
| [18:25:01] | ** xris wonders how fedora can claim to distribute lirc without including the kernel module ** | |
| [18:25:11] | endless_us: | Thanks |
| [18:25:41] | vid01: | does it auto-detect the capture card? |
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| [18:26:30] | Juski: | endless_us: somewhere in the documentation over at linuxtv.org there's something to help you build the drivers from Hg – that'd probably save you patching. It should also help bypass the kernel modules you already have |
| [18:26:45] | Juski: | vid01: does what autodetect the capture card? |
| [18:26:50] | Juski: | mythtv doesn't |
| [18:27:13] | endless_us: | Thanks |
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| [18:29:35] | endless_us: | <Juski>: I look all over linuxtv.org and cannot find any how to for nexus |
| [18:29:36] | ** xris wonders how Beirdo is doing lately ** | |
| [18:30:37] | xris: | endless_us: what are you using dvb for in the uS? |
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| [18:31:43] | Juski: | xris: I was led to believe the other day that FTA TV is available on DVB-S |
| [18:32:00] | Juski: | unless there was subterfuge going on & people are doing naughty things with it |
| [18:32:17] | endless_us: | <xris>: FTA |
| [18:32:32] | vid01: | is the mythtv site down? |
| [18:33:16] | mchou: | vid01: heh, cyclic link |
| [18:33:36] | Juski: | grrr these messages from the mythbackend daemon appearing all over my ssh sessions are pissing me off now |
| [18:33:39] | vid01: | ?? |
| [18:33:43] | ** Juski goes to look in the init script ** | |
| [18:34:05] | vid01: | what is it |
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| [18:34:45] | mchou: | vid01: it means the page is down for the time being until Isaac fixes it |
| [18:34:51] | vid01: | ok |
| [18:35:03] | stuarta: | Juski: back again. Go okay? |
| [18:35:29] | Juski: | stuarta: erm... I grabbed the branch, did ./configure etc – nothing to make :-/ |
| [18:35:32] | scopeuk: | i get the same effect with bttv |
| [18:35:44] | xris: | Juski: it is... mainly just curious |
| [18:35:45] | stuarta: | huh? |
| [18:35:46] | vid01: | someone accualy asked this..? |
| [18:35:48] | vid01: | Can I run MythTV on my TiVo? |
| [18:35:53] | xris: | and I like to bitch at people who don't know better. |
| [18:36:01] | xris: | vid01: tivo runs linux |
| [18:36:02] | ivor: | Juski: yeah there's fta on dvb-s |
| [18:36:06] | Juski: | xris: heh |
| [18:36:15] | vid01: | but why would you want to |
| [18:36:15] | vid01: | .. |
| [18:36:17] | xris: | Juski: I'm actually going to start doing the FTA thing soon, too. |
| [18:36:28] | stuarta: | dunno how there could be nothing to make.... |
| [18:36:32] | xris: | as soon as cyberestore gets the dual lnb bracket back in stock |
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| [18:36:59] | Juski: | I was just a little confuzzled, because I've seen people say there's no DVB in the USA unless you get blah commercial encrypted stuff, I dunno how many times – and there's never much talk of it on the ML |
| [18:37:02] | vid01: | ok... so how would i get my capture cardworking |
| [18:37:42] | ivor: | Juski: no idea about US satellite though. |
| [18:38:04] | Juski: | stuarta: it basically went through & did the make as if the code was all the same from the last time I compiled it (last night) |
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| [18:39:00] | stuarta: | ahh, did you compile eit-branch last night? cause there haven't been any changes, head or branch for about 5 days. |
| [18:39:03] | endless_us: | WHAT IS BETTER FOR MYTHTV FEDORA or DERBIAN or somethig els? |
| [18:39:16] | Juski: | stuarta: no, just head |
| [18:39:26] | Zider: | endless_us: whatever you like most |
| [18:39:37] | xris: | ivor: a couple of the dishnetwork and bellvu satellites have fta stuff... one of them has a TON of local broadcast stations from around the country (or did last I checked) |
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| [18:40:00] | ** xris prefers kentucky derbian... ** | |
| [18:40:26] | Juski: | I'm seriously thinking about getting dvb-s here – it'll give me the option to experiment with HD (maybe) and I'll be able to watch 'local' news from where I used to live :-) |
| [18:40:47] | endless_us: | <Zider> I just heard fedora is not good for it, is this right? |
| [18:40:48] | Juski: | got the dish already – might need a new LNB |
| [18:41:10] | xris: | Juski: I had to return my lnb to Dish when I switched to cable... mildly annoying |
| [18:41:26] | xris: | but their diseqc switch doesn't work with linux, anyway |
| [18:41:35] | stuarta: | well with ccache installed & minimal differences it'd be quick |
| [18:41:41] | Juski: | endless_us: try _a_ distro, see if you like it. I'm still trying. I kinda like ubuntu but find it too mollycoddling |
| [18:42:01] | stuarta: | else make distclean; svn up; ./config etc... |
| [18:42:18] | Juski: | stuarta: I'll try that |
| [18:42:47] | Juski: | lol... just realised something |
| [18:42:51] | stuarta: | xris: would you like fries with your distro? |
| [18:42:52] | Zider: | endless_us: there's even a special debian+mythtv distro (or something) called mythdora, so no, I doubt that would be a problem |
| [18:42:53] | Juski: | !trout juski |
| [18:42:53] | ** MythLogBot slaps juski with a trout on behalf of Juski... ** | |
| [18:42:57] | Zider: | hm |
| [18:42:58] | coffee88: | Juski: onw thing I've never been sure of with ubuntu.. can you actually change the theme/colours? (must give it a go one day) |
| [18:43:04] | scopeuk: | !tout * |
| [18:43:04] | Zider: | endless_us: fedora+mythev even |
| [18:43:07] | scopeuk: | !trout * |
| [18:43:07] | ** MythLogBot slaps * with a trout on behalf of scopeuk... ** | |
| [18:43:11] | scopeuk: | lol |
| [18:43:14] | Juski: | coffee88: I don't care about all that stuff |
| [18:43:23] | Juski: | I hardly ever see the desktop |
| [18:43:31] | coffee88: | you're not skinning it then? ;-) |
| [18:43:44] | Juski: | ferck dat sheet |
| [18:44:29] | xris: | coffee88: of course you can change teh colors.. that's gnome/kde/whatever, not ubuntu. |
| [18:44:43] | Juski: | it helps when you cd into the directory you did the checkout of, just a bit |
| [18:45:01] | ** MythLogBot slaps MythLogBot with a trout on behalf of xris... ** | |
| [18:45:11] | coffee88: | I thought you must be able to, but all the reviews etc seem to go on about the desktop colours... |
| [18:45:24] | xris: | coffee88: that's lame. |
| [18:45:26] | Juski: | coffee88: you're reading the wrong reviews :-P |
| [18:45:43] | Juski: | linux vs windows debate... we prefer windows' color scheme, windows wins! |
| [18:45:44] | coffee88: | teach me to follow slashdot links.... |
| [18:46:00] | Juski: | ffs. what else do you expect on slashbot? |
| [18:46:02] | xris: | that;s one of the first things I did when I installed it... import my gnome/kde settings from my fedora box, with my custom theme. |
| [18:46:24] | endless_us: | Thanks |
| [18:46:55] | Juski: | the bastards at ubuntu though – I'm _still_ looking for the start button at the bottom left :-/ |
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| [18:47:06] | Criten: | Hi |
| [18:47:12] | Juski: | I mean it has 'add/remove programs' after all |
| [18:47:15] | Juski: | ;-) |
| [18:47:20] | coffee88: | heh |
| [18:47:21] | Criten: | this is really vid01 |
| [18:47:36] | Criten: | im on my other computer |
| [18:47:38] | Juski: | btw stuarta: now compiling |
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| [18:49:05] | coffee88: | Juski: did you ever test your cat5 sender with the lower spec/price op amps? |
| [18:49:52] | Juski: | coffee88: chance'd be a fine thing.. been wayyyy too busy |
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| [18:49:57] | Criten: | it says it cant open my capture card.. |
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| [18:50:18] | coffee88: | Juski: the diy must be finished by now?! |
| [18:50:40] | Juski: | coffee88: not likely. and now I'm getting stuff ready for lugradiolive |
| [18:51:00] | vid01: | .. |
| [18:51:04] | Juski: | too many projects on the go, that's me |
| [18:51:10] | vid01: | it says it cant open my capture card --. |
| [18:51:16] | coffee88: | but it's more fun in here, huh? :-) |
| [18:51:20] | Juski: | vid01: we saw |
| [18:51:31] | Juski: | just doing my fscking xmltv lineup |
| [18:51:38] | xris: | vid01: running as root? |
| [18:51:51] | Criten: | no.. |
| [18:51:59] | Criten: | il try that |
| [18:53:36] | Juski: | heh. found a spelling mistake in ubuntu |
| [18:53:52] | Juski: | "file sould be owned by the user and have 644 permissions" |
| [18:53:52] | Criten: | lol |
| [18:54:06] | Criten: | haha. |
| [18:54:15] | Sedorox: | I found one in fbsd's config file the other day |
| [18:54:18] | Criten: | root didnt help |
| [18:54:39] | stuarta: | Juski: if you are going to do any scanning for channels I have patches... |
| [18:54:48] | Juski: | Criten: what is your capture card? you should really test it outside of mythtv first, ideally |
| [18:54:55] | Criten: | ok |
| [18:54:59] | Criten: | its a pvr |
| [18:55:20] | Criten: | 883 |
| [18:55:21] | Juski: | stuarta: chuck em over when this compile is done & I'll give em a go. nothing spoling |
| [18:55:30] | Juski: | Criten: make / model of card |
| [18:55:32] | stuarta: | msg me you email |
| [18:55:43] | Criten: | ? |
| [18:55:54] | Criten: | oh |
| [18:56:00] | Juski: | Criten: that's not enough info to go on |
| [18:56:02] | Criten: | TV-PVR 883 |
| [18:56:13] | xris: | Criten: what's the chipset on the card? |
| [18:56:17] | Juski: | still not enough info |
| [18:56:23] | xris: | brooktree or connexant? |
| [18:56:42] | Juski: | lspci might get that |
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| [18:57:15] | xris: | Juski: maybe. not usually, though |
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| [18:58:02] | Criten: | Conexant |
| [18:58:05] | splat1 is now known as mattevans | |
| [18:58:16] | Juski: | ok Criten.. conexant what ? |
| [18:58:26] | Criten: | Conexant 10-BIT chipset |
| [18:58:32] | Criten: | ..? |
| [18:58:39] | xris: | Criten: need the model number from the chip |
| [18:58:44] | Juski: | likely to be cx23880 I think |
| [18:59:00] | mattevans is now known as splat1 | |
| [18:59:09] | Criten: | TV-PVR 883 (vs-ltv883rf) |
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| [18:59:28] | Criten: | is vs-ltv883rf it? |
| [18:59:54] | Juski: | ugh... looks like a kworld xpert card |
| [19:00:08] | Criten: | is that bad... |
| [19:00:42] | Juski: | no, it's just that I don't like software encoding cards – ignore that |
| [19:00:49] | Criten: | lol |
| [19:01:19] | Juski: | Conexant CX23883 chipset integrated audio/ video decoder |
| [19:01:47] | Juski: | ring any bells? the big chip with conexant on it should have the cx23883 written on it |
| [19:01:50] | kormoc: | software encoder cards (like yours) tend to eat up cpu and tend to look worse then the higher end hardware encoder cards |
| [19:02:08] | Criten: | well... i dont really care at the moment |
| [19:02:09] | Criten: | ui can upgrade later |
| [19:02:19] | Juski: | there should be a law against firms calling software cards 'pvr' |
| [19:02:36] | Criten: | i just wana get it working ~_^ |
| [19:02:36] | Juski: | quote: "Real-Time MPEG 4/2/1 Encoding". bollocks |
| [19:02:53] | Juski: | righty-o |
| [19:02:54] | kormoc: | with only 30% of your 2.4 ghz cpu! |
| [19:03:02] | stuarta: | isn't that the false advertising regulations? |
| [19:03:21] | kormoc: | stuarta, no where does it say hardware encoding |
| [19:03:31] | Juski: | buyer beware... |
| [19:03:32] | Criten: | so what should i do? |
| [19:03:38] | Criten: | go find drivers first? |
| [19:03:45] | stuarta: | dunno, don't have the box.... |
| [19:04:01] | Criten: | ? |
| [19:04:02] | Juski: | so anyway – looks like you need the bttv modules... |
| [19:04:53] | xris: | Criten: ^^^ |
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| [19:05:12] | vid01: | ok |
| [19:05:33] | Niklas_E: | is there any patch for mythtv to make it work with saa7134 (v4l2)? |
| [19:05:48] | Juski: | Niklas_E: it _should_ already |
| [19:05:51] | kormoc: | it doesn't now? |
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| [19:07:09] | Niklas_E: | well, I think it is trying to use the v4l casue there is no sound |
| [19:07:37] | xris: | Niklas_E: don't v4l cards usually need to pass the sound through to the soundcard? |
| [19:07:38] | Juski: | Niklas_E: do you get sound ok in tvtime ? |
| [19:07:44] | Niklas_E: | yep |
| [19:08:05] | Juski: | get xawtv, it has a handy command that should come with it called v4lctl |
| [19:08:09] | xris: | Niklas_E: do you get sound from other part of mythtv? |
| [19:08:18] | kormoc: | most v4l2 drivers are backwards compatable with v4l |
| [19:08:30] | Juski: | you have to unmute the sound with v4lctl – seen this issue a few times here |
| [19:08:33] | vid01: | where do i download this.... |
| [19:08:41] | xris: | vid01: download what? |
| [19:08:49] | vid01: | the bttv module |
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| [19:09:04] | kormoc: | vid01, does your card use the bttv module? |
| [19:09:08] | Juski: | vid01: if v4l.org was up I'd point you there |
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| [19:10:35] | xris: | kormoc: we think so. vid01 you probably already have it installed, you just need to load it. |
| [19:10:42] | vid01: | ok |
| [19:10:44] | xris: | vid01: how familiar are you with linux in general? |
| [19:10:48] | Niklas_E: | well I get sound if I use v4lctl but that won't help if I wanna record |
| [19:11:15] | Juski: | Niklas_E: yes it will |
| [19:12:00] | j-rod is now known as j-rod|afk | |
| [19:12:02] | Juski: | you have the tv audio plugged into an input on the soundcard, yes? you mute the input in alsamixer, and enable the same input for recording, just like it says in the mythtv docs |
| [19:12:16] | vid01: | how do i do that? |
| [19:12:33] | vid01: | i am somewhat familuar.. |
| [19:12:40] | vid01: | not really though |
| [19:12:41] | Niklas_E: | aha |
| [19:13:11] | vid01: | im 15 and have been playing with it for a little wile... so you tell me |
| [19:13:21] | vid01: | so.. i dont know much |
| [19:13:36] | Juski: | vid01: open a terminal window & try this.. lsmod |grep bttv |
| [19:14:09] | j-rod|afk is now known as j-rod | |
| [19:14:10] | Juski: | that will tell you whether or not a module with bttv in the name is loaded or not |
| [19:14:28] | vid01: | it did nothing from what i can tell |
| [19:14:29] | xris: | vid01: I suggest you start out with an easier-to-use distro... like fedora or knopmyth. |
| [19:14:48] | vid01: | knopmyth.... is a no |
| [19:15:09] | xris: | oh? |
| [19:15:12] | Juski: | I think vid01 likes the steepness of a learning curve |
| [19:15:17] | vid01: | lol |
| [19:15:29] | xris: | Juski: then he should have picked gentoo. heh |
| [19:15:35] | vid01: | ive tryed that |
| [19:15:36] | vid01: | :P |
| [19:15:39] | Juski: | yes he should |
| [19:15:42] | Juski: | stage1 |
| [19:16:02] | kormoc: | but gentoo's too easy? |
| [19:16:08] | vid01: | uhh.... no |
| [19:16:10] | kormoc: | just follow the wonderful documentation and ti's all golden. |
| [19:16:11] | vid01: | lol |
| [19:16:20] | kormoc: | vid01, sure it is... |
| [19:16:23] | Juski: | erm... hmmm... a lot of jarod's guide is good for many distros other than FC |
| [19:16:30] | Niklas_E: | tnx |
| [19:16:40] | Juski: | Niklas_E: sorted? |
| [19:16:41] | xris: | vid01: sorry to give you a hard time.. you just need to figure out how to auto-load the bttv module now. |
| [19:16:55] | xris: | Juski: doesn't help with bttv modules, though. fedora auto-detects and auto-loads that stuff |
| [19:17:23] | Juski: | Niklas_E: you'll probably need to add the v4lctl command to your rc.conf or whatever to make sure it's executed at boot time |
| [19:18:19] | Juski: | btw could that bit be added into mythtv itself? seems a bit harsh not having it |
| [19:18:23] | Niklas_E: | yeah |
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| [19:18:59] | Juski: | it's not like _majorly_ common though |
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| [19:20:32] | vid01: | how can i tell if i have bttv? |
| [19:21:38] | Juski: | vid01: modprobe -l | grep bttv |
| [19:21:57] | Juski: | modprobe -l lists all the modules your kernel has |
| [19:21:59] | vid01: | yupp i got it |
| [19:22:08] | Juski: | mmkayyy |
| [19:22:18] | Juski: | so try modprobe -v bttv |
| [19:22:26] | Juski: | -v means 'verbose' |
| [19:22:33] | vid01: | verbose? |
| [19:22:35] | vid01: | ... |
| [19:22:53] | Juski: | give more info.. that's what it means... to tell you stuff it's doing |
| [19:23:00] | vid01: | k |
| [19:23:18] | Juski: | then do a dmesg ... you should see info at the end about your tuner card |
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| [19:29:13] | bigslam9: | whats the most common distro to use for mythtv? |
| [19:29:44] | Juski: | what's the most common metaquestion to ask in #mythtv-users? ;-) |
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| [19:30:14] | Juski: | slackware is popular, I've heard |
| [19:30:21] | bigslam9: | yea slackware is being a bitch |
| [19:31:53] | vid01: | i was on slackware |
| [19:32:08] | vid01: | couldent get mysql working |
| [19:32:09] | vid01: | lol |
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| [19:32:27] | bigslam9: | well im using slackware but its being gay with kernel 2.6 |
| [19:32:35] | bigslam9: | i have everything but the dvb and kernel 2.6 working |
| [19:32:37] | Juski: | knoppmyth is very popular |
| [19:32:59] | bigslam9: | is that just a live cd |
| [19:33:02] | bigslam9: | or can it be installed |
| [19:33:03] | Juski: | nope |
| [19:33:08] | Juski: | can be installed |
| [19:33:13] | vid01: | so "cat /proc/modules" gives a list of running moduels? |
| [19:33:14] | bigslam9: | umm |
| [19:33:54] | Juski: | I'm using ubuntu on one box, gentoo on my main one |
| [19:34:03] | Juski: | just pick a fscking distro! |
| [19:34:06] | Juski: | :-) |
| [19:34:57] | vid01: | does "insmod bttv.o" load the module? |
| [19:35:26] | Juski: | vid01: you really shouldn't be messing with that when modprobe will do |
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| [19:36:11] | bigslam9: | lol i just cant pick one Juski:P |
| [19:36:13] | bigslam9: | its not that easy |
| [19:36:20] | vid01: | yes it is |
| [19:36:24] | Juski: | use gentoo then |
| [19:36:27] | vid01: | lol |
| [19:36:43] | Juski: | they all have advantages & disadvantages |
| [19:36:51] | Juski: | up next.. "which woman should I marry?" |
| [19:36:56] | bigslam9: | gentoo takes like hours on hours to compile |
| [19:36:59] | vid01: | use windows |
| [19:37:02] | vid01: | .... |
| [19:37:07] | Juski: | ubuntu then |
| [19:37:16] | Juski: | plain ole debian even |
| [19:37:22] | vid01: | like mee |
| [19:37:24] | vid01: | :) |
| [19:37:34] | vid01: | and if i can do it you can |
| [19:37:42] | bigslam9: | I guess i will try the knoppmyth |
| [19:37:47] | Juski: | very good package management IMHO |
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| [19:38:25] | vid01: | VidSrv01:/lib/modules/2.4.27-2–586tsc/kernel/drivers/media/video# modprobe bttv.o |
| [19:38:26] | vid01: | modprobe: Can't locate module bttv.o |
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| [19:38:28] | vid01: | ... |
| [19:38:41] | vid01: | should that work? |
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| [19:39:19] | hashbang: | vid01: just 'modprobe bttv' |
| [19:39:34] | Juski: | vid01: just modprobe bttv like I said about half an hour ago. if you ain't gonna listen.... |
| [19:39:35] | vid01: | oh |
| [19:39:42] | vid01: | ok.. it failedclear |
| [19:39:43] | scopeuk: | shouldent it be ko not o? |
| [19:39:45] | vid01: | oops |
| [19:39:46] | vid01: | lol |
| [19:39:55] | hashbang: | scopeuk: .ko is 2.6.x. |
| [19:39:56] | scopeuk: | nothing on the end any ay |
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| [19:40:02] | scopeuk: | hashbang yes |
| [19:40:08] | scopeuk: | sorry |
| [19:40:10] | scopeuk: | miss read |
| [19:40:12] | scopeuk: | hes on 2.4 |
| [19:40:14] | scopeuk: | appologies |
| [19:40:23] | Juski: | he's on 2.4? oh god |
| [19:40:33] | scopeuk: | well im guessing so |
| [19:40:40] | scopeuk: | scince thats where hes mod probing |
| [19:41:27] | vid01: | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2–586tsc/kernel/drivers/media/video/bttv.o: init_module: No such device |
| [19:41:49] | hashbang: | vid01: right, different error now, see |
| [19:41:54] | vid01: | yea |
| [19:41:56] | vid01: | lol |
| [19:41:59] | hashbang: | vid01: you probably need to pass the module some magic parameters. |
| [19:42:05] | vid01: | one right after anether |
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| [19:42:21] | vid01: | magic parameters...? |
| [19:42:24] | vid01: | -,- |
| [19:42:25] | Juski: | wb stuarta: still compiling |
| [19:42:27] | hashbang: | vid01: my point was, that although that's an error, you have made progress, since it's now finding the module. |
| [19:42:35] | Criten: | yea |
| [19:42:36] | Juski: | is v4l.org back up yet? their wiki is good |
| [19:42:38] | stuarta: | damn adsl link.... |
| [19:42:44] | vid01: | oops lol |
| [19:42:48] | vid01: | stupid other computer |
| [19:43:18] | stuarta: | thinks it can run at 8mb, when realistically ~7mb is the max on this line. |
| [19:43:27] | vid01: | so.. uhh yea |
| [19:43:31] | vid01: | whats that mean? |
| [19:43:40] | vid01: | "magic params" |
| [19:43:42] | vid01: | lol |
| [19:43:54] | scopeuk: | it means go rtfm in my experience |
| [19:43:55] | Juski: | stuarta: baaad. my dad's been on the phone 3 times since switching to talktalk – modem/router needs resetting all the time |
| [19:43:56] | scopeuk: | may not apply here |
| [19:44:17] | stuarta: | I'm not complaining. I asked for 1mb :) |
| [19:44:18] | scopeuk: | Juski you been hit with the talktalk trout? |
| [19:44:40] | hashbang: | stuarta: the DSLAM at the exchange should learn which frequencies it can use and adjust the utilisation accordingly. |
| [19:45:11] | Juski: | vid01: http://www.roseindia.net/linux/tutorial/linux . . . V/index.html |
| [19:45:19] | stuarta: | yeah it was happy on 7mb, then must have decided things had improved.... |
| [19:45:37] | vid01: | ooo thx |
| [19:45:42] | hashbang: | stuarta: if the error rate was low enough, it might try speculating upwards. |
| [19:45:46] | Juski: | I couldn't put up with adsl. I like my always-on to be always on |
| [19:45:56] | hashbang: | stuarta: eventually, it'll stabilise. |
| [19:46:30] | stuarta: | I adjust my kit locations to improve the SNR on the line, and it's been stable for about a week. |
| [19:46:32] | hashbang: | that said, since I started my regrade to maxadsl (8mbit/448kbit), my router has kept having problems keeping its LAN interface up. |
| [19:46:39] | Juski: | vid01: see also: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/BTTV.html |
| [19:47:03] | stuarta: | hashbang: that's what happened to me, asked for 1mb, ended up on maxadsl @8mb |
| [19:47:05] | hashbang: | stuarta: have a read around adslguide.org.uk. You'll probably want to do a search for BRAS. |
| [19:47:22] | stuarta: | we have them in our office :) |
| [19:47:25] | hashbang: | (not the kind that holds boobies, either) |
| [19:48:17] | vid01: | bttv doesn't support your Conexant 2388x card. |
| [19:48:20] | stuarta: | so I've a decent knowledge of BRAS, DSLAM, ASLAM etc. |
| [19:48:24] | hashbang: | my router keeps the WAN interface up fine though – I can still ping the router from the outside world (e.g. work), but it stops communicating with my firewall. |
| [19:48:26] | vid01: | said $ dmesg | less |
| [19:48:47] | hashbang: | stuarta: ah, right, I'll take that egg from your mouth, then... ;-) |
| [19:48:49] | scopeuk: | Juski maby its jsut me but my friends adsl is pluged int oa router and is litraly always on |
| [19:49:14] | hashbang: | scopeuk: mine was too, for 3 years, until I started the regrade. Could be my router's just gone bad, though. |
| [19:49:21] | stuarta: | according to my router the link is up just fine, but there's no comms. |
| [19:49:34] | ** hashbang even popped the cover to see if any capacitors were leaking. ** | |
| [19:49:45] | stuarta: | hashbang: I reckon it's the "emerging tech" of adslmax, plus older routers.... |
| [19:49:46] | hashbang: | stuarta: try getting someone to ping your router's IP address |
| [19:50:03] | stuarta: | it doesn't answer pings :) |
| [19:50:09] | hashbang: | stuarta: if you're losing /just/ the ethernet side, I'd be very interested to hear it. |
| [19:50:19] | hashbang: | stuarta: from the ethernet side, the wan side, or both? |
| [19:50:48] | hashbang: | stuarta: what make/model do you have, BTW? |
| [19:50:54] | stuarta: | It ends up with from the outside the router at the ISP has no route to host. (ie link down) |
| [19:51:14] | hashbang: | stuarta: right, different problem to mine, then. |
| [19:51:19] | stuarta: | netgear dg834gt, with adsl link light up fine, but can't ping out. |
| [19:51:39] | stuarta: | basically, my SNR is shit at >7mb |
| [19:51:46] | hashbang: | mine keeps the link up, and can be pinged from the outside world, but it doesn't answer ARPs, nor hear ARPs |
| [19:52:08] | hashbang: | mine's a ZyXEL Prestige 643. |
| [19:52:27] | stuarta: | it's now at 7616k/448k, but 5.9db noise margin ie crap |
| [19:53:18] | stuarta: | the ZyXEL aren't the best thought of... AFAIK |
| [19:53:31] | hashbang: | stuarta: it was literally the best going in 2002, when I bought it. |
| [19:53:48] | hashbang: | bar maybe the Efficient Networks things that BT were handing out. |
| [19:54:03] | hashbang: | oh, and the 800GBP Cisco 827. |
| [19:54:24] | scopeuk: | think the crappy little router on my cabel conenction eeds to be reaplced |
| [19:54:28] | hashbang: | I thought the ZyXEL was expensive at 235, but Cisco are still selling 800 quid ADSL routers... :-) |
| [19:54:29] | scopeuk: | adn the wifi is unused |
| [19:54:40] | scopeuk: | so i think ill get a nice wired one |
| [19:54:54] | scopeuk: | hashbang scarily i know a guy wit ha cisco adsl router in his home |
| [19:55:05] | stuarta: | think next time, i'll get the ADSL part separate.... |
| [19:55:08] | hashbang: | scopeuk: why not throw a multi-port NIC in your myth box and use that as your router? |
| [19:55:21] | hashbang: | scopeuk: I've considered getting one off ebay for ~20 quid. :-) |
| [19:55:50] | hashbang: | but getting updates could be a pisser, unless I "borrow" work's CCO account. ;-) |
| [19:55:51] | scopeuk: | hashbang im plannign on gettign a shiney box ive seen on ebay with vpn endpoint + dual wan and a gigabit switch |
| [19:56:07] | scopeuk: | adn my mythbox whould burn up and die if used as my router |
| [19:56:15] | scopeuk: | its strugles enough as things are poor little bugger |
| [19:56:21] | hashbang: | scopeuk: really? My Celeron 1.7 copes. |
| [19:56:24] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [19:56:27] | scopeuk: | there in lies the reason |
| [19:56:30] | Juski: | when I get my upgrade I'm gonna send you my current spare box, scopeuk.. (sympathy) |
| [19:56:36] | scopeuk: | mine is a 433 celeron |
| [19:56:37] | ** stuarta is trying to remember the review he saw last week for a £170quid router that did all that.... ** | |
| [19:56:38] | hashbang: | the firewalling/routing is only ~3% CPU. |
| [19:56:44] | scopeuk: | juski argh so sweet ;-) |
| [19:56:54] | Juski: | pay postage :-P |
| [19:56:56] | scopeuk: | stuarta im watchign one at 10 |
| [19:57:04] | scopeuk: | how much whould it be? |
| [19:57:13] | Juski: | prolly about a tenner |
| [19:57:19] | scopeuk: | i could cope wit hthat i think |
| [19:57:27] | scopeuk: | althoughi think i have some new freebies ariving soon |
| [19:57:36] | scopeuk: | hopefully ill have some i can use for an upgrade/replacement |
| [19:57:36] | Juski: | let's see if I get a bonus at work this summer though |
| [19:57:37] | stuarta: | this one, was a step above the basic SOHO one, but not at the level of the branch office. |
| [19:57:43] | stuarta: | ie. power SOHO |
| [19:57:55] | scopeuk: | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Netgear-FVS124G-Dual-Wa . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [19:57:55] | Juski: | if I do, I'm gonna get me some pentium D. bout time I tried intel |
| [19:57:57] | scopeuk: | think this is |
| [19:58:23] | Juski: | no fsking point going 64-bit yet |
| [19:58:28] | scopeuk: | Juski if your up for some adventures in the bios apparetly the £78 modal can be taken easily to the point where it out performs the fx60 or flagship intel |
| [19:58:41] | scopeuk: | Juski afaik all the new intells adn amds are 64 bit |
| [19:58:51] | stuarta: | 4 wan ports? wtf would i do with that!!! |
| [19:58:56] | Juski: | fucksticks |
| [19:58:57] | scopeuk: | 4 lan 2 wan |
| [19:59:28] | Juski: | I'll have to buy my video editing app again when they release 64-bit.. or it'll be fscking slower :-( |
| [19:59:37] | stuarta: | http://www.draytek.co.uk/products/vigor2800.html |
| [19:59:52] | scopeuk: | perdy |
| [20:00:01] | hashbang: | stuarta: check out liquidlan.com, run by a mate of mine. He sells the Draytek stuff. |
| [20:00:09] | scopeuk: | shame i have cable |
| [20:00:23] | scopeuk: | then again i wanan be able to rip some of my gear out next year |
| [20:00:29] | stuarta: | scopeuk: go to the front page then... |
| [20:00:40] | scopeuk: | wonder how many funny looks id get stood at the networks admins office with a rack mount gigabit switch |
| [20:00:50] | scopeuk: | stuarta hell could do |
| [20:01:53] | scopeuk: | im a sucker for shiney hardware |
| [20:02:12] | scopeuk: | ally and pine desk and ally speakers |
| [20:02:21] | scopeuk: | nxt naturaly lol |
| [20:02:26] | stuarta: | must have flashing lights.... |
| [20:02:32] | scopeuk: | yes esential |
| [20:02:42] | scopeuk: | idliek network hardware to have flashing lights selectable though |
| [20:02:59] | scopeuk: | you ever tried to sleep with a hub running fullwack its liek puttign a strobe light in the room |
| [20:03:06] | Juski: | hmm when did I start compiling this lot again? |
| [20:03:16] | Juski: | about another hour to go |
| [20:03:17] | stuarta: | Juski: about a week ago. |
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| [20:03:32] | vid01: | how do i find a moduel? |
| [20:03:37] | stuarta: | scopeuk: yep, then I moved it to improve my SNR |
| [20:03:40] | Juski: | I might just go buy a dell box & put it on the card |
| [20:03:41] | scopeuk: | Juski you gone to gentoo or have you set it to "emulate scopes hardware mode" |
| [20:03:56] | Juski: | scopeuk: still umbongo |
| [20:03:59] | ** scopeuk prepares the angry trout for juski ** | |
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| [20:04:21] | scopeuk: | with regard to the dell comment ^^ |
| [20:04:36] | Juski: | why? cheapest way to upgrade |
| [20:04:48] | scopeuk: | i hate em |
| [20:04:49] | Juski: | I don't need 10 PCI slots & fast 3d for my desktop machine |
| [20:04:58] | scopeuk: | remove all the screws and let the glue hold the componants |
| [20:05:11] | scopeuk: | neither do i i jsut hate payign a premium |
| [20:05:22] | scopeuk: | always fidn the machines you buy off balance |
| [20:05:27] | Juski: | I worked out how much I could build a box for from scratch & it was much, much more |
| [20:05:30] | scopeuk: | woooow |
| [20:05:33] | Juski: | plus I can sell off the gear I don't want on ebay |
| [20:05:39] | scopeuk: | someone posting death threats? |
| [20:05:43] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [20:06:08] | Juski: | just gimme a fast box – no tft, nothing... no OS either |
| [20:06:16] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [20:06:20] | Juski: | do they do that? do they hell as like |
| [20:06:21] | scopeuk: | dell even ship sans os ? |
| [20:06:26] | scopeuk: | gonan say |
| [20:06:39] | Juski: | even so – cheaper than buying & building yerself |
| [20:06:44] | scopeuk: | id drop all the outer box componants in an instant to gt a boost to the box |
| [20:06:44] | Juski: | by about £200 |
| [20:07:17] | Juski: | these PC gear places are fucking minting it |
| [20:07:45] | scopeuk: | yup |
| [20:07:59] | scopeuk: | and so are the manufacturers of pre build boxes |
| [20:08:02] | Juski: | makes me sick to look at USA sites |
| [20:08:12] | Juski: | $1 == £1 |
| [20:08:17] | scopeuk: | eg cost value for a computer shop of an x1900 is £100 |
| [20:08:30] | scopeuk: | £1 == $1.89 |
| [20:08:39] | scopeuk: | its jsut wrongthey do otherwise |
| [20:08:51] | Juski: | no – if a computer part costs $100 in the USA, it costs £100 here |
| [20:08:59] | scopeuk: | yeh ive seen |
| [20:09:04] | Juski: | and we let em get away with it |
| [20:09:06] | scopeuk: | i iddent pick up on it till after my message |
| [20:09:11] | scopeuk: | not alot we can do |
| [20:09:24] | scopeuk: | for every knolageable user that steps back there are 5 prats the dive in |
| [20:09:34] | Juski: | I've not upgraded my main machine for about 3 years |
| [20:09:43] | Juski: | bit long in the tooth now |
| [20:10:01] | scopeuk: | my main machine was new build 8 monthsa ago and i skiped on a cupple of major comonants |
| [20:10:07] | scopeuk: | the hdd and the gfx namely |
| [20:10:12] | scopeuk: | (im a gamer i make use of the 3d) |
| [20:10:15] | Juski: | pointless doing anything else without going dual CPU from my point of view |
| [20:10:23] | scopeuk: | yeh prety much |
| [20:10:42] | scopeuk: | im gona wait for most new games to dgo dual cpu compatable then ill invest |
| [20:10:48] | scopeuk: | probably around the £120 mark |
| [20:10:53] | scopeuk: | should be resonably powerfull |
| [20:11:03] | scopeuk: | tail end of this year early next year maby |
| [20:11:11] | Juski: | just want it to take less than 2 hours to render a 15 minute mpeg2 |
| [20:11:25] | scopeuk: | know that feeling |
| [20:11:32] | scopeuk: | the box i had before this was a 1.3 duron |
| [20:11:39] | scopeuk: | that could crawl with the best of em |
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| [20:13:11] | Juski: | hokay... seen as I'm still compiling.. time to grab some icons |
| [20:13:30] | scopeuk: | id have said tea |
| [20:13:34] | scopeuk: | but maby thats my mind set |
| [20:13:40] | scopeuk: | im sure im addicted to the stuff |
| [20:14:31] | vid01: | wich card do i want? |
| [20:14:32] | vid01: | http://www.roseindia.net/linux/tutorial/linux . . . V/cards.html |
| [20:14:34] | vid01: | i have the |
| [20:14:43] | vid01: | pvr 830 |
| [20:15:29] | Juski: | vid01: your card isn't on the list |
| [20:15:39] | Juski: | if you do lspci, does it show up there? |
| [20:16:15] | Juski: | oh wait a sec... fscking v4l site is still down |
| [20:16:45] | vid01: | ... |
| [20:17:43] | Juski: | aha... maybe you need the cx88 module instead |
| [20:17:49] | vid01: | -,- |
| [20:17:51] | Juski: | try this: modprobe -v cx88 |
| [20:18:11] | vid01: | modprobe: Can't locate module cx88 |
| [20:18:12] | Juski: | bttv is generally for older cards |
| [20:18:34] | Juski: | modprobe -l |grep cx88 |
| [20:18:54] | vid01: | i hear the icecream man |
| [20:18:55] | vid01: | lmao |
| [20:19:28] | vid01: | nothing |
| [20:20:30] | vid01: | do i need to download it? |
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| [20:21:41] | Juski: | no it's definitely a bttv card I think – looked in the cx8800 source & yours isn't listed |
| [20:21:52] | Criten: | ...? |
| [20:21:56] | Criten: | ok |
| [20:22:10] | vid01: | but it isnt in the other list... |
| [20:22:15] | Juski: | you shoulda tried ubuntu instead... |
| [20:22:19] | vid01: | lol |
| [20:22:23] | Juski: | it's pretty good at this stuff |
| [20:23:21] | ** scopeuk doeent feel like up setting juski with the whole not myth thing right now ** | |
| [20:23:35] | scopeuk: | but they do have a new release out today |
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| [20:25:43] | Criten: | http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/drivers.html |
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| [20:25:50] | Criten: | is it on that list? |
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| [20:28:27] | LinkSlice: | what card would you recomend for use in a mythbox. my requirements are window-in-window support (my wife says I can build it if it has that :-p) and a remote... |
| [20:29:22] | SynrG: | eve. just went through a motherboard/processor/kernel upgrade & updated ivtv -> 0.6.2. now mythtv does not start livetv ... |
| [20:29:25] | SynrG: | 2006-05–18 17:28:57.510 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 20:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo |
| [20:29:48] | SynrG: | tips as to how to debug this? |
| [20:29:55] | scopeuk: | LinkSlice you need two tuners for that |
| [20:30:04] | vid01: | ahhhhh.... |
| [20:30:07] | vid01: | i give up for now |
| [20:30:08] | LinkSlice: | i'm thinking of hauppage wintv 500 mce-kit or radeon 9250... radeon is cheaper but hauppage seems recomended |
| [20:30:13] | vid01: | il have my dad do the rest |
| [20:30:14] | vid01: | :P |
| [20:30:21] | LinkSlice: | scopeuk: ya the 2 cards I'm currently looking at have 2 tuners |
| [20:30:22] | scopeuk: | beyound that you will probably need a resonable amount of proccesing power |
| [20:30:47] | scopeuk: | then the biggy lots of storage |
| [20:30:52] | LinkSlice: | scopeuk: i'm going to be using a 1.8G barton core athlon |
| [20:30:55] | vid01: | talk to you all latter |
| [20:30:56] | scopeuk: | quick idea avoid ati the drivers arepatchy at best |
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| [20:31:14] | vid01: | yea... .ati drivers suck |
| [20:31:31] | LinkSlice: | scopeuk: 2 250G 16M cache ata (unfortunatelly) drives |
| [20:31:37] | LinkSlice: | ati drivers suck? |
| [20:31:42] | LinkSlice: | ok, i was afraid of that |
| [20:31:46] | scopeuk: | ati linux drivers are a pain in the ass |
| [20:31:51] | LinkSlice: | damn |
| [20:31:54] | scopeuk: | you want to be using an nvidia card |
| [20:32:00] | vid01: | i found that out the hard way |
| [20:32:02] | LinkSlice: | the card is half the price of the hauppage... |
| [20:32:13] | vid01: | i couldent get 3d acceleration to work at all :P |
| [20:32:14] | LinkSlice: | i want nvidia? |
| [20:32:18] | vid01: | yea |
| [20:32:24] | LinkSlice: | got any suggestions? |
| [20:32:25] | scopeuk: | anyone had any experience wit hmatrox cards |
| [20:32:33] | LinkSlice: | i havn't even looked at them |
| [20:32:35] | scopeuk: | LinkSlice the fx5200 is quite populare |
| [20:32:35] | vid01: | not really... |
| [20:32:42] | vid01: | im stuck with an ati |
| [20:32:47] | vid01: | (on my windows box) |
| [20:33:11] | vid01: | yes.... i still use windows |
| [20:33:12] | vid01: | lol |
| [20:33:30] | ** LinkSlice is looking at fx5200 ** | |
| [20:34:01] | scopeuk: | vid01 some of us still do |
| [20:34:11] | vid01: | i dont wana lol |
| [20:34:15] | vid01: | but i play games on it |
| [20:34:34] | vid01: | if i had an good nvidia card windows would go away for me |
| [20:34:36] | Zider: | I play games without windows :P |
| [20:34:44] | vid01: | i would to |
| [20:34:50] | vid01: | if i had an nvidia card |
| [20:34:59] | scopeuk: | vid01 gamer here stuck wit hwindows to get the box |
| [20:35:11] | scopeuk: | alot of games are baddly damaged under linux |
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| [20:35:24] | scopeuk: | and runnign games in opengl jsut seams backwards |
| [20:35:32] | scopeuk: | alwasy seamed a compatabilitysetting whenive used it in the past |
| [20:35:40] | vid01: | ive used cedera or whatever it is |
| [20:35:49] | Zider: | ehm.. "badly damaged"..? |
| [20:35:52] | vid01: | and i got some games working with my ati... but not well |
| [20:35:59] | LinkSlice: | also, what is the recomended filesystem? I was thinking of xfs or jfs, but since I'm just using ata133 drives I'm thinking xfs might have too much overhead... |
| [20:36:19] | vid01: | the wine emulators are geting REALLY good |
| [20:36:30] | Zider: | vid01: it's not an emulator :P |
| [20:36:35] | vid01: | welll |
| [20:36:37] | scopeuk: | its a compatability layer |
| [20:36:43] | vid01: | same diffrence :P |
| [20:36:48] | scopeuk: | much like cygwin |
| [20:36:54] | scopeuk: | vid01 entirly diferent |
| [20:36:59] | vid01: | but still its getting really good |
| [20:37:01] | vid01: | (i know) |
| [20:37:14] | Zider: | scopeuk: what did you mean by "badly damaged"? |
| [20:37:21] | vid01: | they dont work as good |
| [20:37:44] | vid01: | thats probably what he means |
| [20:38:25] | Zider: | badly supported by wine perhaps |
| [20:38:36] | Zider: | I don't play anything with wine |
| [20:38:49] | vid01: | everything that runs on windows doesnt work as good in linux |
| [20:39:00] | vid01: | threw wine |
| [20:39:04] | Zider: | all idsoftwares titles works fine :P |
| [20:39:07] | Zider: | ah |
| [20:39:09] | Zider: | ;) |
| [20:39:14] | vid01: | ~_^ |
| [20:40:02] | Zider: | all I play is ported or native games |
| [20:40:13] | Zider: | wine is used for dvdshrink :P |
| [20:40:16] | vid01: | i got battlefield 1942 working under wine.. like a year ago |
| [20:40:29] | vid01: | but it ran twice as fast |
| [20:40:34] | vid01: | but not in the good wayu |
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| [20:40:48] | Zider: | ;) |
| [20:40:55] | vid01: | as in you move twice as fast :P |
| [20:41:13] | Zider: | the only windows game I'd like to get working in linux is gta |
| [20:41:22] | vid01: | lol |
| [20:41:36] | vid01: | i wana see battle field 2 working |
| [20:41:39] | vid01: | it is supported |
| [20:41:43] | vid01: | by cedega |
| [20:41:46] | LinkSlice: | scopeuk: i'd need 2 fx5200's to get the window-in-window right? |
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| [20:52:12] | corpix: | hi |
| [20:52:44] | corpix: | how was the option to start mythtv-setup/mythfrontend with in order to have _NOT_ OpenGL'd menus ? |
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| [20:55:04] | scopeuk: | LinkSlice no |
| [20:55:10] | scopeuk: | u need 2 capture cards |
| [20:55:22] | scopeuk: | only 1 output card |
| [20:56:02] | LinkSlice: | ahhhh |
| [20:56:08] | LinkSlice: | i was going to use the tv for output... |
| [20:56:31] | LinkSlice: | so I guess the hauppage is what I want anyway no? it has everything already on it... |
| [20:56:42] | scopeuk: | you whould need the haupauge |
| [20:56:44] | LinkSlice: | dual capture, and rca jacks |
| [20:56:49] | scopeuk: | and something liek a5200 for output to your tv |
| [20:57:47] | SynrG: | i'm adrift here. i need a debugging procedure ... mythtv won't do live tv after my upgrade, and the only message i have to go by is "failed to get pginfo" |
| [20:58:12] | scopeuk: | does it not do it |
| [20:58:17] | LinkSlice: | ahh gotcha |
| [20:58:20] | scopeuk: | or does it jsut take a very long time to start playback? |
| [20:59:29] | scopeuk: | linkslice take a look http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 |
| [20:59:43] | SynrG: | the dmesg output doesn't look like it's throwing any errors. |
| [21:00:04] | scopeuk: | SynrG how long have you left it? |
| [21:00:31] | bobbyz: | hey, I've got a computer I'm trying to setup with mythtv. It's got an older radeon card that is not supported by any of the official ati drivers and none of the unofficial drivers I've found can do s-video output with X on this card. Because of this I've been playing with qt-embedded and directfb support in mythtv. I've got it compiled and everything works except one critical thing: the keyboard doesn't do anything when I'm viewing videos or livetv. |
| [21:00:33] | bobbyz: | time getting this far and I'm coming to the conclusion that it might just be better to forget about QT/E and directfb. |
| [21:00:54] | bobbyz: | I thought about purchasing a new graphics card, but I've really had hit-or-miss luck with s-video out on the past several gfx cards I've owned. So now I'm thinking about getting a video scan converter. Does anyone here have any experience with these and/or can recommend a good one to buy (hopefully decent quality but not too expensive) |
| [21:01:08] | SynrG: | scopeuk: you mean, to wait for dmesg to produce more output? it's all there, right to the end |
| [21:01:19] | SynrG: | scopeuk: or if you mean something else, please elaborate. |
| [21:02:17] | scopeuk: | how long have you left it attempting to start live tv |
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| [21:02:31] | scopeuk: | and have you tested if it will record |
| [21:02:40] | scopeuk: | if it will you have a very interesting problem |
| [21:02:43] | SynrG: | ah. it exits immediately. it doesn't hang. |
| [21:03:05] | SynrG: | so leaving it longer would clearly not help |
| [21:03:10] | SynrG: | since i'm dropped right back to the menu |
| [21:03:15] | SynrG: | no black screen |
| [21:03:35] | SynrG: | and no, i have made no attempts to record |
| [21:03:48] | kormoc: | bobbyz, if you get a nvidia card (I'd recommend a 6200 or higher, but a 5200 will work fine) svideo out will work flawlessly |
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| [21:04:13] | SynrG: | i'm using ivtv 0.6.2 with a 2.6.16 kernel |
| [21:04:26] | xris: | SynrG: mythfrontend -v all |
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| [21:04:51] | bobbyz: | kormoc: I'll take that into consideration, but aren't scan converters supposed to provide even better quality, and perhaps even be cheaper too? |
| [21:04:54] | SynrG: | xris: did that. most unilluminating |
| [21:05:02] | kormoc: | bobbyz, likely not |
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| [21:05:06] | SynrG: | xris: it gave me lots of db messages, but everything else was as before. |
| [21:05:11] | xris: | SynrG: then mythbackend -v all |
| [21:05:27] | SynrG: | k |
| [21:05:38] | SynrG: | hm. for that matter, where does the backend log? |
| [21:05:53] | xris: | SynrG: depends on where you configure it to |
| [21:06:00] | xris: | but that verbose stuff won't get logged |
| [21:06:05] | kormoc: | bobbyz, scan converters tend to be around $150+, a 6200 will only be around $60ish, a 5200 can be had for $45 or so |
| [21:06:24] | SynrG: | aha! |
| [21:06:26] | bobbyz: | kormoc: I had no diea those g-forces were getting to be so cheap |
| [21:06:30] | SynrG: | xris: this is more helpful |
| [21:06:31] | SynrG: | 2006-05–18 18:04:18.189 TVRec(1) Error: Channel: '' was not found in the databas |
| [21:06:35] | SynrG: | e. Most likely, your DefaultTVChannel setting is wrong. Could not start livetv. |
| [21:06:38] | bobbyz: | kormoc: thanks I'll just grab one of those then |
| [21:06:41] | kormoc: | bobbyz, quality wise, it's really all depending on your scan converter, videocard, and tv. it's mostly hit or miss |
| [21:10:28] | xris: | my pci fx5200 looks great over svideo. |
| [21:11:47] | SynrG: | hmm. when i did this initially it was with mythtv-setup |
| [21:12:01] | SynrG: | is there any other way to figure out what the right channel setting is? |
| [21:12:09] | SynrG: | e.g. cmd-line utility or some such? |
| [21:13:00] | scopeuk: | SynrG close backend |
| [21:13:03] | scopeuk: | and run mythtvc0setup |
| [21:13:11] | scopeuk: | mythtv-setup* |
| [21:13:25] | scopeuk: | its somewhere in the mysql database |
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| [21:15:22] | SynrG: | k |
| [21:15:33] | scopeuk: | so you could do it with say phpmyadmin or the mysql cli utility but you whould need to do some research |
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| [21:19:53] | vid01: | bye guys |
| [21:19:55] | vid01: | ttyl |
| [21:20:00] | scopeuk: | bye |
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| [21:21:26] | SynrG: | scopeuk: ok. i think it's now tuner 1 instead of tuner 0 |
| [21:21:35] | SynrG: | at least, the dmesg messages seem to indicate that |
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| [21:29:34] | SynrG: | nah |
| [21:29:37] | SynrG: | er, ah, even |
| [21:29:46] | SynrG: | it turns out i have to rescan channels now |
| [21:29:54] | GreyFoxx: | What kind of service ? |
| [21:30:08] | GreyFoxx: | Just regular cable ? |
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| [21:31:10] | SynrG: | from the air |
| [21:31:12] | SynrG: | heya GreyFoxx! |
| [21:31:34] | SynrG: | i just upgraded from an oldish kernel + 0.4.x to 2.6.16 + ivtv 0.6.2 |
| [21:31:37] | SynrG: | so i get all this grief |
| [21:31:39] | GreyFoxx: | OTA here in town? Just 3, 5, 8 and 13 ? |
| [21:31:44] | SynrG: | yah |
| [21:31:47] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
| [21:32:02] | SynrG: | but ... still no go ... |
| [21:32:04] | GreyFoxx: | I've never attempted to grab those since I get them over the wire |
| [21:32:09] | ** SynrG nods ** | |
| [21:32:14] | SynrG: | it's all the same in theory anyway |
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| [21:32:23] | ** GreyFoxx still runs ivtv 0.2.0rc3j hehe ** | |
| [21:32:28] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [21:32:28] | SynrG: | mythtv-setup had no problems scanning |
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| [21:32:41] | TheAsp: | Anyone know what nvidia cards can put 1080p out over dvi dual link? |
| [21:32:52] | SynrG: | but even after running the cron script to repopulate the db, i still can't do live tv :( |
| [21:32:59] | GreyFoxx: | :/ |
| [21:33:11] | GreyFoxx: | So it finds the channels? |
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| [21:34:09] | SynrG: | yah. but ... get this ... |
| [21:34:10] | SynrG: | 2006-05–18 18:30:53.662 ChannelBase: Could not find input: Tuner 0 on card when setting channel 3 |
| [21:34:17] | SynrG: | seems to be still looking at *tuner 0* |
| [21:34:25] | SynrG: | even after i've reconfig'd to use tuner 1` |
| [21:34:35] | SynrG: | maybe my cron script to update didn't do anything? |
| [21:35:06] | GreyFoxx: | Personally I'ddrop the capture cards |
| [21:35:08] | GreyFoxx: | and startit over |
| [21:35:21] | GreyFoxx: | I'm 99% sure that they changed the subinterface names or some such in the ivtv driver |
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| [21:36:44] | SynrG: | hmm |
| [21:36:53] | SynrG: | ok |
| [21:37:02] | GreyFoxx: | I seem to remember a lot of people having to do that after updating their IVTV driver |
| [21:37:23] | SynrG: | tnx. doing it now. |
| [21:37:25] | GreyFoxx: | I'll have to do it whenever I get around to putting a new kernel on that machine |
| [21:37:36] | GreyFoxx: | but that wont be until I have agood reason too heh |
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| [21:43:38] | SynrG: | GreyFoxx: happy happy joy joy |
| [21:43:44] | SynrG: | GreyFoxx: i have tv |
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| [21:50:15] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
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| [22:11:56] | Juski: | wa? |
| [22:15:03] | stuarta: | wa? |
| [22:15:11] | Juski: | stuarta: applying that patch now :-) |
| [22:15:25] | stuarta: | I've just submitted them to trac... |
| [22:16:01] | Juski: | cool. gonna ook up me hairial shortly |
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| [22:16:37] | stuarta: | while going "OOO OOO OOO" & wildy waving your arms about? |
| [22:16:52] | Juski: | probably – if very quietly |
| [22:17:00] | xris: | Juski: that's our new state tourism slogan.. Say WA? |
| [22:17:09] | Juski: | heh |
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| [22:18:49] | ** xris waits for the giant rsync to finish... I love playing sysadmin ** | |
| [22:18:58] | psofa_: | is it normal for mysql to take 92mb memory? |
| [22:19:08] | xris: | psofa_: depends on what it's doing |
| [22:19:19] | psofa_: | it is doing nothing |
| [22:19:25] | psofa_: | i jsut realized im out of ram |
| [22:19:26] | psofa_: | :P |
| [22:19:39] | psofa_: | and mythbackend sucks 200mb |
| [22:19:41] | psofa_: | !!! |
| [22:19:48] | psofa_: | abandon ship |
| [22:19:56] | stuarta: | frontend is worse. |
| [22:20:09] | Juski: | "life's gonna suck when you grow up, when you grow up.. life's gonna suck when you grow up and then you're gonna die" |
| [22:20:34] | hashbang: | psofa_: probably mysql caches and the like |
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| [22:20:48] | hashbang: | psofa_: look at the 'RES' column in top to get a fair idea |
| [22:20:58] | kormoc: | actually, use the pmap command to get the real numbers |
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| [22:21:19] | hashbang: | psofa_: and check the si/so columns of vmstat to see whether you're actually paging or not |
| [22:21:21] | kormoc: | pmap -d pid |
| [22:21:25] | Juski: | damn. I just misquoted Dennis Leary |
| [22:21:37] | kormoc: | the real memory usage is the writeable/private |
| [22:22:59] | Juski: | hmmm... worth backing up the db before I stop mythbackend & do make install? nah |
| [22:23:06] | psofa_: | hmm |
| [22:23:06] | psofa_: | im using top |
| [22:23:06] | psofa_: | sorted by the res column |
| [22:23:06] | psofa_: | i see 4 mythfrontends using 79m each |
| [22:23:12] | psofa_: | and many (!) backends each using 172 m |
| [22:23:16] | psofa_: | erm |
| [22:23:16] | kormoc: | psofa_, yea, that's not real... |
| [22:23:18] | psofa_: | many backends using 24m |
| [22:23:20] | psofa_: | res memory |
| [22:23:27] | kormoc: | psofa_, the only way really to get real numbers is to use pmap |
| [22:23:36] | kormoc: | those all share the same pid, correct? |
| [22:23:37] | psofa_: | lol |
| [22:23:47] | psofa_: | i just read the top manpage |
| [22:24:01] | psofa_: | and i wanted to do that for quite long |
| [22:24:03] | psofa_: | :D |
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| [22:24:22] | psofa_: | kormoc, no |
| [22:24:27] | psofa_: | they dont share the same pid |
| [22:24:38] | psofa_: | they are using a sequence of pids |
| [22:25:22] | kormoc: | so they forked |
| [22:27:51] | psofa_: | kormoc, ? |
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| [22:28:36] | Juski: | hmmm. where do all the config files for dvb-utils get put when you apt-get them ? |
| [22:30:51] | psofa_: | kormoc, after a clean reboot i have 200megs free memory |
| [22:31:18] | Juski: | aha.. in /usr/share/doc of course.. pfft |
| [22:31:52] | stuarta: | !trout Juski |
| [22:31:53] | ** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
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| [22:32:26] | psofa_: | everything else uses the exact same memory |
| [22:32:31] | psofa_: | except mythbackend which now has 137m of virtual memory usage in contrast to 270 it had before reboot |
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| [22:34:02] | Juski: | jus' making sure the aerial feed is okay ;) |
| [22:34:33] | Juski: | oh yeah btw stuarta: they've only gone & got another fucking quiz channel.. smiletv |
| [22:34:51] | stuarta: | it's been there a month or so... |
| [22:35:07] | Juski: | shows how often I scan then |
| [22:35:38] | stuarta: | took me 3–4 months after xtraview went before I rescanned. |
| [22:35:58] | Juski: | right.. mythtv-setup here I come |
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| [22:37:35] | Juski: | what should I do first? I already know full scan works |
| [22:40:06] | stuarta: | umm, well I haven't fixed tuned scan yet... so what's left? |
| [22:40:14] | Juski: | erm... full scan? |
| [22:40:15] | Juski: | lol |
| [22:40:31] | stuarta: | full, all transport, single transport all work. |
| [22:40:43] | psofa_: | btw stuarta hows my broken ac3 issue doing? |
| [22:40:49] | Juski: | oooo this seems faster |
| [22:40:59] | stuarta: | though I still need testing from ppl with other_freq used on their muxes. |
| [22:41:05] | ** psofa_ waits for stuarta to loose his patience ** | |
| [22:41:25] | Juski: | stuarta: I think I know what that other_freq malarkey is about... local relays & stuff |
| [22:41:29] | stuarta: | psofa: crap, no tool I have can decipher that stream, except mplayer which plays it :) |
| [22:41:37] | psofa_: | lol |
| [22:41:38] | psofa_: | really? |
| [22:41:45] | psofa_: | only mplayer? |
| [22:41:45] | stuarta: | Juski: yep, that's exactly what it's about... |
| [22:41:50] | stuarta: | yep. |
| [22:41:54] | psofa_: | god damn channels |
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| [22:42:34] | stuarta: | weird you are the only person seeing it... |
| [22:42:39] | Juski: | I dunno what's with the progress bar jumping back down, but I've seen STBs do less good a job :-) |
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| [22:43:07] | stuarta: | yeah that's a bit rubbish, just not high on the list of TODOs |
| [22:43:39] | Juski: | that's nifty quick too – not gonna make any bones about that – top notch job! |
| [22:43:48] | ** stuarta isn't losing his cool this evening, several JD's have done their work... ** | |
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| [22:43:59] | stuarta: | thanks Juski! |
| [22:45:06] | stuarta: | I'm still chasing a minor problem with it (occasionaly won't find any channels on a mux) |
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| [22:45:40] | stuarta: | at least it finds the HD test mux... :) |
| [22:45:41] | Juski: | fired up EIT too |
| [22:46:32] | Juski: | damn. I didn't realise EIT gave you stuff like stereo info & that |
| [22:46:54] | stuarta: | we been tweakin :) |
| [22:47:24] | Juski: | it's a bloody shame the programme data doesn't overlap neatly with uk_rt |
| [22:47:37] | stuarta: | you'll also want the patches in 1800, 1801 for eit handling |
| [22:47:53] | stuarta: | Juski: that's something I plan to look at... |
| [22:48:01] | Juski: | cool!!! |
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| [22:48:20] | Juski: | so not bothering with bypassing the payment for the 14 day epg then? ;-) |
| [22:48:39] | stuarta: | since RT data gives you nice descriptions, subtitles for star trek etc... |
| [22:48:44] | stuarta: | wot payment? |
| [22:49:00] | Juski: | allegedly there's a firm offerring a 14 day EPG for ££ |
| [22:49:13] | stuarta: | DILLIGAF! |
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| [22:49:38] | Juski: | I was kidding |
| [22:49:51] | stuarta: | :) |
| [22:50:10] | plb: | hm is there anyway(plugins whatever) so I can play movies from my hd that are in bin/cue format |
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| [22:50:27] | Juski: | bloody appalling though innit – hey for 'just' ££ a month you can get an extra 7 days... |
| [22:50:36] | Juski: | plb: no |
| [22:50:46] | plb: | argh man |
| [22:50:52] | Juski: | unless mplayer has suddenly gone all l337 on us |
| [22:51:00] | plb: | mplayer can play those |
| [22:51:09] | Juski: | seriously? |
| [22:51:12] | plb: | yeah |
| [22:51:15] | Juski: | mythvideo then |
| [22:51:20] | plb: | hmmm |
| [22:51:22] | plb: | ok |
| [22:51:31] | ** Juski is shocked ** | |
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| [22:52:36] | Juski: | ahhh but stuarta.. I _really_ like the speed of this EIT gear |
| [22:53:09] | Juski: | nothing else fer it... |
| [22:53:17] | ** Juski selects 'watch tv' ** | |
| [22:53:48] | Juski: | got video! |
| [22:53:57] | Juski: | only took erm... 30 seconds |
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| [22:55:44] | stuarta: | Juski: it's possible to download 7days worth in about 5 minutes |
| [22:55:58] | Juski: | and X just restarted |
| [22:56:03] | Juski: | heheh |
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| [22:58:10] | Juski: | playback of livetv was very judderry |
| [22:58:25] | stuarta: | do the pause unpause thing? |
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| [22:58:50] | Juski: | yeah – I'll just disable xvmc again – think that's what's making X crash |
| [22:59:04] | psofa_: | is there a dvb radio support in myth |
| [22:59:05] | psofa_: | ? |
| [22:59:15] | Juski: | psofa_: in SVN there is |
| [22:59:19] | stuarta: | yep, in svn |
| [22:59:42] | Juski: | there was a patch for 0.19.. dunno where it is now |
| [23:00:05] | Juski: | or was it a patch for SVN pre 0.19? can't remember |
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| [23:00:35] | stuarta: | not that I remember... |
| [23:01:14] | stuarta: | oh dear, this BB is going to be crap, house full of gay guys & 1 chick with massive B**** |
| [23:01:32] | Juski: | pre 0.19 I definitely tested a dvb radio patch & it was the bog's dollocks |
| [23:01:57] | stuarta: | the patch was around pre 0.19, but wasn't integrated till after 0.19 |
| [23:02:12] | Juski: | jesus. starting livetv was wayyyy faster that time |
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| [23:02:19] | stuarta: | one of the reasons 0.19 is really a checkpoint.... |
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| [23:04:05] | Juski: | not bad channel change time.. wtf are people moaning about? |
| [23:04:40] | stuarta: | 0.19 most likely |
| [23:04:47] | Juski: | jackie chan lipsync though |
| [23:05:02] | Juski: | this box is underpowered I think |
| [23:05:05] | stuarta: | he's on tonight? |
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| [23:05:27] | Juski: | no – thats how bad lipsync is on bbc2 |
| [23:05:37] | Juski: | paused, unpaused... still bad |
| [23:06:25] | stuarta: | perfect here. |
| [23:07:53] | Juski: | switched to ITV then back – lipsync was okay |
| [23:07:58] | Juski: | then the judderring started |
| [23:08:20] | Juski: | paused, waited 3 secs, unpaused... playback great... then judderry again |
| [23:08:24] | stuarta: | cpu pegged? |
| [23:08:27] | Juski: | and xvmc just restarts X |
| [23:09:07] | Juski: | it's only an 800 mhz box, so it might need the help |
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| [23:09:19] | Juski: | cpu was hoverring around 50% |
| [23:09:28] | stuarta: | there's also a vid branch where daniel's been doing some XVmc work |
| [23:10:03] | Juski: | it's not like I can get much from mythfrontend --verbose when it does that |
| [23:10:41] | Juski: | log to file, though... |
| [23:10:47] | stuarta: | prob some prebuffering pauses... |
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| [23:11:34] | Juski: | got over 37MB/sec with hdparm, so it aint that |
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| [23:11:56] | Juski: | arghhh! ubuntu has startup noise! |
| [23:12:31] | psofa_: | i think ill have to mess with svn... |
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| [23:14:06] | Juski: | hmmm... |
| [23:14:10] | Juski: | [mpegts @ 0xb7401aa0]Could not find codec parameters (Video: mpeg2video) |
| [23:14:10] | Juski: | [mpegts @ 0xb7401aa0]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94212 ! |
| [23:14:49] | Juski: | and this I reckon is why X is falling over: XvMCWrapper: Warning! Could not open shared library "libXv.so1.0" |
| [23:14:59] | stuarta: | that's the interactive tv stuff... |
| [23:15:49] | Juski: | and the xvmc stuff... I need to work on that methinks |
| [23:16:01] | Juski: | I reckon it'll be fine when I get xvmc working |
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| [23:18:51] | Juski: | riiight. that shared lib cannot be found cos it doesn't exist |
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| [23:23:26] | Mattwj2005: | it is the weekend! :) |
| [23:23:43] | Juski: | hmmm |
| [23:24:47] | Juski: | yokay... xvmc.. compiled mythtv myself... xvmc is restarting X cos libXv.so1.0 can't be found. ideas? I'm thinking I misconfigured something when I compiled |
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| [23:31:31] | stuarta: | this is interesting. I have 2 recordings, "Silence Of The Lambs" & "The Silence Of The Lambs" (yes I know same film) |
| [23:32:01] | stuarta: | and only "The Silence Of The Lambs" comes up in the list of recordings to watch |
| [23:32:16] | stuarta: | unless you look under all programs, the I can find it. |
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| [23:33:35] | Mattwj2005: | I think you need rub the oil on the skin or else you get the hose again ;) |
| [23:34:25] | Juski: | aha! "Previously X would segfault when trying to use XvMC in Breezy – I believe this has been fixed in Dapper though." |
| [23:34:59] | Juski: | bugger! |
| [23:35:17] | Juski: | apt-format-everything-fucking-pos-distro |
| [23:35:54] | Juski: | doesn't explain why the lib isn't found though |
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| [23:37:17] | Juski: | hmm.. xine works okay with -xxmc, seemingly |
| [23:39:45] | stuarta: | anyway need sleep. later. |
| [23:40:02] | Mattwj2005: | later stuarta |
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| [23:41:42] | Juski: | night stuarta.. damn |
| [23:42:17] | Juski: | so – xine works fine with xvmc, mythfrontend causes X to segfault with xvmc. has anyone any ideas what's up? |
| [23:44:21] | Ryushin: | So I just told about a 100 recorded shows (mostly movies and about 1/4 HD) to transcode. It should be done in about a month. :) |
| [23:44:31] | Juski: | lol |
| [23:44:34] | Mattwj2005: | lol :P |
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| [23:44:50] | Ryushin: | Juski: yea, buy a faster processor and dump xvmc. I'm so fed up with it. |
| [23:45:27] | Mattwj2005: | I am actually surprise the mythcommflag doesn't ever take near a 100% of the CPU |
| [23:45:38] | Mattwj2005: | the transcode thing does |
| [23:45:39] | Ryushin: | Those semprons are nice little procs that stay really cool. |
| [23:46:17] | Ryushin: | Well, at least transcode is niced at 17. It doesn't seem to be impacting anything. |
| [23:46:29] | dscoular: | Is there a way to tell if a recording has already been transcoded ? |
| [23:46:52] | Ryushin: | yea, what dscoular said... |
| [23:47:11] | Mattwj2005: | I would love for it to peak near 100% and back off when something more important is needed to be done |
| [23:47:21] | Ryushin: | Is there a way to tell what format a recording is in? If it's mpeg4, it's been transcoded (at least for me) |
| [23:47:54] | Ryushin: | Mine's running at 99.9%. |
| [23:48:26] | Ryushin: | If any other more important process comes by, it gives way. |
| [23:48:26] | dscoular: | Ryushin, tcprobe I guess... I was hoping there was an indication in mythfrontend to stop me from stupidly manually transcoding twice! |
| [23:48:50] | dscoular: | nice is... well... nice ;) |
| [23:49:07] | Ryushin: | Ah, c'mon, it gets more blocky if you transcode a few more times. Makes you strain your eyes a bit more. |
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| [23:50:21] | Mattwj2005: | I am talking about the commerical flag....not transcode is the same way for me as well |
| [23:50:29] | Ryushin: | I'm suprised they haven't added that in myth yet. It would be nice to see the format it's in. I like that when you play a program now, it tells you if it's interlaced or progressive. |
| [23:50:43] | Juski: | Ryushin: I'm working to a budget here at this rate I'll have to repurpose my desktop machine for this demo box |
| [23:51:01] | Juski: | Ryushin: it reports that in the svn I'm trying |
| [23:51:12] | Juski: | doh |
| [23:51:16] | Juski: | you said that already |
| [23:51:17] | Ryushin: | Mattwj2005: It tells you if it's been commflagged in mythweb. |
| [23:51:25] | kormoc: | Juski, what's the xvmc error that it dumps to you with? |
| [23:51:30] | kormoc: | (id any) |
| [23:51:34] | kormoc: | (*if) |
| [23:51:41] | Juski: | tells you in the watch recordings screen too, Ryushin – or should if the theme supports it |
| [23:51:43] | Mattwj2005: | yeah it does....I know |
| [23:51:45] | Ryushin: | Juski: What's your budget for your demo box? |
| [23:51:46] | Juski: | kormoc.. hang on |
| [23:51:52] | Juski: | Ryushin: nothing :-) |
| [23:52:12] | kormoc: | Ryushin, I'm sure he could scrape together $1.21 and a bottle cap |
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| [23:52:41] | Ryushin: | Well, I have let you have some twigs, 50 cents in pennies, and some solder. Go McGyver on us. |
| [23:52:50] | Juski: | kormoc: http://pastebin.com/725725 |
| [23:53:25] | Juski: | nah I can spend money if need be, but only up to a certain point – I can't stretch to a new CPU & board just yet |
| [23:53:28] | Mattwj2005: | I just want commflag to run faster when it can....that is all ;) |
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| [23:53:50] | Ryushin: | I put together on paper a new front end using the sempron chip and a via unicrhompro board. |
| [23:54:02] | Juski: | kormoc: xdpyinfo reports xvideomotioncompensation present & correct |
| [23:54:08] | Ryushin: | For Less than 200 you can have a new board, proc, and a gig of memory. |
| [23:54:35] | kormoc: | Juski, XvMCWrapper: Warning! Could not open shared library "libXv.so1.0" |
| [23:54:45] | Juski: | if I'm gonna upgrade I'll make it worthwhile... re-jig my desktop so I can do faster video rendering |
| [23:54:48] | kormoc: | Juski, you'll need to get rid of XvMCW before compiling myth |
| [23:54:53] | Ryushin: | Mattwj2005: Well, it should. If it's the only thing doing anything, it will suck as much proc as it can. |
| [23:55:05] | Juski: | kormoc:riiight. |
| [23:55:17] | Mattwj2005: | it doesn't for me |
| [23:55:21] | Juski: | I googled on that error – got nowt |
| [23:55:34] | kormoc: | Juski, XvMCW is a wrapper that over-rides XvMC support, which is rather backwards |
| [23:55:45] | Juski: | is that in the wiki? |
| [23:55:51] | kormoc: | I don't know |
| [23:55:52] | Juski: | if not I'll put it in |
| [23:55:53] | Ryushin: | Mattwj2005: What else is running? You have to add the system into it too. |
| [23:56:01] | kormoc: | Juski, well, make sure that it's right before you do :) |
| [23:56:15] | Mattwj2005: | top |
| [23:56:38] | Ryushin: | Okay, I'll bite. What is the wrapper used for? |
| [23:56:43] | Juski: | kormoc: erm.. when you say 'get rid'... do you mean delete it or uninstall something? |
| [23:57:08] | kormoc: | Juski, well, from what I've gathered, just moving it out of the way so the configure doesn't pick it up is good enough |
| [23:57:20] | Mattwj2005: | top says that it isn't using the full processor....basically all the other processes are idling |
| [23:57:48] | Juski: | kormoc: ok – thanks. gonna try that now. thank god I have ccache |
| [23:57:53] | kormoc: | Ryushin, I do beleive it is to provide a graceful fallback to Xv from XvMC if it's not supported |
| [23:58:32] | Mattwj2005: | maybe at most samba and mythweb are running |
| [23:58:36] | Ryushin: | If I do a configure, it's pulling the wrapper "-lXvMCW" Could that have been my problem the whole time? |
| [23:58:48] | kormoc: | Ryushin, could be |
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