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Wednesday, May 10th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Mattwj2005:

I mean even MP4 takes up a lot of space compared to vidcast for example

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Mattwj2005:

boy quiet room tonight

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Agrajag-:

MythTV takes up so much space? it's about 30 megs on my machine.

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Mattwj2005:

why do the video files take up so much space?

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mchou:

cause they are mpeg2

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Mattwj2005:

what about mp4 files?

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mchou:

what about them?

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mchou:

sw encoding is never going to give you small files

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Mattwj2005:

I have tried recording with mp4....still uses a lot of space

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dtm:

Mattwj2005: well then set it not to.

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Mattwj2005:

what do you recommend for settings for Mp4?

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dtm:

something lower.

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dtm:

apparently.

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Mattwj2005:

lol :-P

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: you want smaller files get a real time HW h.264 encoder

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dtm:

Mattwj2005: nobody knows what you want, and you're not making much sense ^_^

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: and good luck on that

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Mattwj2005:

thanks for the help.....I am really tired...darn 12 hour shifts

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mchou:

cause it will cost much more than any drive space you might save

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dtm:

Mattwj2005: yikes

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dtm:

Mattwj2005: lower the bitrate

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: we cant help you with that problem

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Mattwj2005:

just out of curiousity what do you guys use?

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mchou:

the 12 hr shift biz

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Mattwj2005:

*curiousity

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: you'd be shcked at the answer

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mchou:

shocked*

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Mattwj2005:

go for it....I am sure it is something to be proud of

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mchou:

an HDTV 1080i MPEG2 stream is approx 10GB/hr

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mchou:

so there :)

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mchou:

plan accordingly

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Mattwj2005:

dude....you rock!

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Mattwj2005:

:D

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Mattwj2005:

that would be freckin' sweet for smallville....if our local WB has HDTV

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mchou:

is WB even "local?"

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Mattwj2005:

I live in the Twin Cities

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mchou:

it's not a local network, I dont think

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mchou:

i.e. ABC, NBC, PBS, etc

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xris:

mchou: it's local here

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xris:

abc, nbc, cbs, pbs, fox, upn, wb

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xris:

plus a couple of local and religious channels

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xris:

all of the big ones are hd, too

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mchou:

haha, forgot you folks live in Jususland

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mchou:

Jesusland*

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xris:

mchou: I don't. US of Canada here.

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xris:

or "baja Canada" if you prefer

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mchou:

You're a stones throw from Alberta :)

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mchou:

that the TX of Canada

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xris:

me? hardly

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xris:

BC, maybe

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Mattwj2005:

we have a local pbs, cbs, abc, fox,wb, upn, kpxm, and kstc

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mchou:

BC is next to Alberta :)

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xris:

mchou: but I'm on the west side

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sapbeast:

mchou: my problems seem to have been corrected finally

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mchou:

sapbeast: haha, no doubt

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sapbeast:

at least so far so good with a newer controller

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sapbeast:

or non silicon image

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xris:

I have to cross 2 state borders to get to a state touching alberta

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mchou:

sapbeast: I'm not gonna say "I told you so!" :)

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Mattwj2005:

Minneasota touches Canada.....I have no idea how

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Mattwj2005:

:P

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Mattwj2005:

Canada is cool though because you guys still have Call for Help

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mchou:

Call for Help? wtf is that?

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sapbeast:

mchou: i wouldnt mind either way, i was not aware of the issue anyways to begin with

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Mattwj2005:

a TV show that use to be TechTv.....before G4 kicked all the good original programming

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sapbeast:

so i was spinning wheels regardless

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mchou:

sapbeast: how much was the new card incl. shipping?

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Mattwj2005:

also you guys get new Stargate Atlantis episodes before us

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mchou:

wow, WB is local here, just no HD

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mchou:

just consulted my channel line-up

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Mattwj2005:

yeah I think we might have HDTV WB

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Mattwj2005:

KMWB-DT

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sapbeast:

mchou: it wasnt terribly expensive, about 70

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mchou:

sapbeast: ouch!!

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sapbeast:

all i care about is i can record shows again

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sapbeast:

after a week hiatus

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mchou:

damn, I could have gotten a sempron + a mobo for that price

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sapbeast:

ouch? you should see the sata raid cards i order at work for $1000 a pop :p

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mchou:

sapbeast: they're still buggy :)

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sapbeast:

heh well i dont have that kind of insanely low computer prices here

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sapbeast:

minimum investment for even a cheap cpu/mainboard combo here is $150

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mchou:

sapbeast: in fact the more expensive it is the more bugs they will have

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mchou:

gah, anybody happen to use kde3.5.2 here?

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mchou:

just upgraded and cant figure my way around some annoyances

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sapbeast:

i didnt even know that was out

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mchou:

it's been out quite some time, at least two months

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Mattwj2005:

mchou: what do you have for storage anyways? just curious

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mchou:

plain old PATA

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mchou:

havent made the jump to SATA at all

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mchou:

even though I have plenty of mobos with SATA connectors

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mchou:

I'm conservative that way

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Mattwj2005:

how many GB do you have/

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mchou:

1 TB on file server

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Mattwj2005:

dang....separate server?

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mchou:

yup

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Mattwj2005:

cool cool

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mchou:

file server is also mythbackend

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Mattwj2005:

once again...great setup!

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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mchou:

consolidated storage is the only way to go these days

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Mattwj2005:

you have a separate frontend?

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mchou:

serveral diskless frontends

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mchou:

netboot

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Mattwj2005:

that's pretty cool

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mchou:

it's pretty easy these days to stuff 8 drives in a std. case.....

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mchou:

just need to make sure you have adequate cooling

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mchou:

to prevent premature drive failures

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sapbeast:

mchou: http://74.52.13.138/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=117

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Mattwj2005:

yeah definitely that must create a lot of heat

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sapbeast:

i have updated my hardware page at least

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sapbeast:

much better pics i hope this time :P

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sapbeast:

and yeah one of mine has 7 in one case

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mchou:

sapbeast: man, I have those chenming cases, but I dont use them

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mchou:

sapbeast: I dont understand why they are so LOUD

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mchou:

went back to using dell cases

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mchou:

nice and quiet and sound damping plastic :)

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DrNickRiviera:

should try an antec p180

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DrNickRiviera:

bit on the pricey side, but they're amazin

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mchou:

DrNickRiviera: I tried p180. They're alright, but I still think dell cases are quieter

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mchou:

considering I get dell cases for around $10 :)

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DrNickRiviera:

hmm suppose it depends which ones

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DrNickRiviera:

can't imagine a dell beathing the 180 with a large number of hard drives

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mchou:

the old XPS-R/T series

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DrNickRiviera:

can't say i've ever had a dell myself though

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mchou:

nah, dell case is not server case

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sapbeast:

mchou: its not as bad anymore i put the fans on a rehostat

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sapbeast:

and only have 2 "on"

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mchou:

but they make pretty good front end cases

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DrNickRiviera:

i've got a 180 with 5 hard drives

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mchou:

yeah? nice

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mchou:

use the top vent at all?

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DrNickRiviera:

and the hdd's are pretty much the only thing i hear, as the cpu is more or less passive (just one of the main case fans running on low)

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DrNickRiviera:

nope

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DrNickRiviera:

have been thinking of blocking that somehow, because most of the noise from my dvd drive seems to come through there

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mchou:

DrNickRiviera: what proc you got in there?

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DrNickRiviera:

the door shields the rest quite well

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mchou:

DrNickRiviera: yeah, no doubt

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DrNickRiviera:

athlon 64 3000+

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mchou:

got cool&quiet on?

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DrNickRiviera:

heatsink is the scythe ninja

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DrNickRiviera:

looks like it's made for the case

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DrNickRiviera:

can you even use cool & quiet under linux?

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mchou:

yup

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mchou:

works great

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DrNickRiviera:

thought it was an application you had to install

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mchou:

yup

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DrNickRiviera:

well, no i haven't

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mchou:

cpufreqd

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mchou:

DrNickRiviera: try it, it's wonderful

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mchou:

I use my stock HSF

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mchou:

spins most times at 1200RPM or less on idle

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mchou:

no joke

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sapbeast:

mchou: the armour case isnt very noisy... rather so many hard drives in there creates more noise from vibration

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sapbeast:

all the fans are on but i have "silent" ones rather than stock where i can

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sapbeast:

i took alot of care to make my stuff reasonably quiet... i have to sleep next to that

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DrNickRiviera:

the problem with noise is that the quieter it gets the more the little noise becomes an annoyance

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mchou:

DrNickRiviera: the only thing I hear from my a64 are HDD seeks

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mchou:

DrNickRiviera: hehe, right you are

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DrNickRiviera:

when i compare my computer to those of my friends it is practically silent

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DrNickRiviera:

especially when you go by the fact that i've got 5 hdd's

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DrNickRiviera:

but it's annoyingly loud

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mchou:

a journaling fs makes it worse :)

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DrNickRiviera:

thinking of getting one 500 gig drive or something

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mchou:

cause it's committing the journal every 5 secs

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DrNickRiviera:

you tried bdflush?

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mchou:

nah

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mchou:

just let the journal do it's thing

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DrNickRiviera:

been meaning to give it a try for ages, because most of my hard drives are idle 99% of the time

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sapbeast:

well once youve replaced ALL your old crap with newer drives that have FDB bearings... say goodbye to whining drives

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mchou:

DrNickRiviera: you dont use journaling FS?

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sapbeast:

panaflo fans also help :p

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DrNickRiviera:

only on / and /home

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DrNickRiviera:

all my other drives are from the good old windows days

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sapbeast:

all of this rubbish makes more noise than a 2 year old... freaking ball bearings get pretty aggrivating with drive age http://74.52.13.138/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=328

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mchou:

sapbeast: damn, you got a nice collection of those seagate clamshells

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DrNickRiviera:

what are your drive make preferences then?

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mchou:

sapbeast: send some spares over here

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sapbeast:

i have literally 500 of those at work

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mchou:

DrNickRiviera: that's always a moving target

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DrNickRiviera:

true

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mchou:

sapbeast: seriously??

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sapbeast:

when we did a big order of drives for several classes, so they could switch out drives

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mchou:

sapbeast: no joke, I need some

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sapbeast:

yes we have at least 300 metal sata trays (at $100 a peiece, the heavy duty stuff) and drives

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DrNickRiviera:

only got one computer at the moment, as i'm a student and only have one room

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mchou:

DrNickRiviera: keep it that way

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DrNickRiviera:

can't wait to move into a flat/house and have a central server and some diskless myth clients :)

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mchou:

the one computer, that is :)

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DrNickRiviera:

why?

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mchou:

DrNickRiviera: trust me, you dont want many comps

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mchou:

spend all your time being an admin

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DrNickRiviera:

think i'll have to learn the hard way ;)

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mchou:

consolidate is name of the game

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DrNickRiviera:

well, if they are net booting it shouldn't be too much work keeping them working

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

you'd be wrong there

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DrNickRiviera:

well at least it doesn't really matter how many there are

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mchou:

different HW means differnt config

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DrNickRiviera:

at least as far as i understand it, have no idea how that stuff works

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sapbeast:

yeah just look at all the shit i have

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sapbeast:

and thats in this small room of mine

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sapbeast:

more is NOT better

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mchou:

yeah, more is definitely not better

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mchou:

2 is reasonable.

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mchou:

3 if you have a laptop

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mchou:

any more than that life just gets messy

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sapbeast:

well i only use 3 of my machines at once at most

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sapbeast:

but even so just one of those is quite a space heater

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mchou:

that too

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sapbeast:

usually i just keep my mythbox on, and this computer 24/7

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sapbeast:

3rd only when i wanna play games

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mchou:

theonly reason I got two in the first place was I wanted redunancy to minimize down time

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mchou:

lil HA myth cluster going on here

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mchou:

active failover

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sapbeast:

this computer has been ultra trustworthy since i put it together

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mchou:

of course that doesnt do much good when the power goes out :)

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sapbeast:

and i thank it highly for that... i never have to mess with it

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sapbeast:

1500VA ups here too :p

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sapbeast:

Installed On: Thursday, October 21 2004

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DrNickRiviera:

gotta go

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DrNickRiviera:

nice to have had a little chat

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DrNickRiviera:

i'll come back and complain when i've got more computers ;)

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mchou:

haha

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DrNickRiviera:

bye

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sapbeast:

well hes gone but i hope he realizes having so much stuff is more of a hassle than anything :P

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mchou:

oh, he'll learn soon enough

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sapbeast:

although ill never ever get rid of my sb awe 64 isa

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mchou:

haha!!

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mchou:

a real pack rat

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sapbeast:

seriously, if you ever plan on making an "anitique" computer for DOS

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sapbeast:

that is *the* best sound card, period

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mchou:

I got rid of my last ISA mobo only one month ago

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sapbeast:

i have a couple

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mchou:

still have some ISA cards though

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sapbeast:

i still have my pentium mmx 233mhz stashed in a box... also working slot-1 boards for the P3's i have

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mchou:

yeah, got rid of slot 1 just one month ago

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mchou:

slot 1's werent bad for longevity

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mchou:

440BX was pretty good

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mchou:

sapbeast: think you can spare some of those plastic drive clamshells?

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sapbeast:

probably

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sapbeast:

if i could figure out how to ship it

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mchou:

oh, that's easy :)

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sapbeast:

i could give you a box full almost

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mchou:

I'll pay shipping :)

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mchou:

dont need a full box though :)

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mchou:

10 or so ought to be sufficient

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sapbeast:

hmmm roger that

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mchou:

yeah, lemme know

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sapbeast:

well i kind of owe you for your advice on sata controllers hehe

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mchou:

sapbeast: nah, dont worry abot that

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mchou:

about*

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sapbeast:

but so far, so good with the promise TX4

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sapbeast:

still copying

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mchou:

heh, that's good

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sapbeast:

50GB to go... sigh

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scottder:

Anyone using the HD-5500 card?

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simcop2387:

lets say i've got two computers on a network now that both have mythtv on them, they are both currently setup as master backends, is there a way to tell one of them to become a slave to the other and merge the recorded programs and the scheduled recordings?

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AngryElf:

aren't you not suppose to have two master backends in the first place?

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** Kazan sighs **

[02:51:05]

Kazan:

ls

[02:51:10]

Kazan:

lol wrong window

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Kazan:

didn't take my alt+Tab before i ls'ed :P

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ShockValue:

i do that sometimes too.

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Kazan:

hehe

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** Kazan was bsing about the wrong window :P **

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** Kazan actually LS'ed to want to see a list **

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** Kazan laughs **

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** Kazan wants to kill his IR blaster **

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Kazan:

i've actually rebuild the entire thing

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ShockValue:

grrr, this is driving me batty.. i have 1 drive that is flakey, and it's causing kernel panics

[02:54:36]

ShockValue:

but with 10 drives in the box, it's really hard (with my limited linux knowledge) to figure out which one it is

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simcop2387:

AngryElf: they're two seperate systems that just got moved into the same house

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Kazan:

that sucks shock

[02:55:40]

simcop2387:

on is my computer the other is my parents mythbox i built for them

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ShockValue:

im running these smart utility test on em.. but they take an hour each...

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mchou:

simcop2387: that's easy

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ShockValue:

merging them is easy, living with your parents again on the other hand.....

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mchou:

simcop2387: just demote one of the masters into a slave

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mchou:

or use them independently

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mchou:

no big deal

[02:57:19]

mchou:

would take you 20 min tops.

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simcop2387:

mchou: so will it let the true master see all the recordings it had previously? or will that take a bit of extra work?

[02:57:48]

mchou:

that's jus a db merge

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mchou:

just*

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simcop2387:

k

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simcop2387:

is there a page on the wiki that talks about setting up slaves just so i can see what i'd do?

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mchou:

simcop2387: a slave is no different than a master :)

[02:59:25]

mchou:

except in mythtv-setup you tell the slave to point a the real master

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mchou:

at

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mchou:

it's a one entry change in the master db

[03:00:03]

mchou:

well, not quite :)

[03:00:11]

mchou:

maybe a few more lines

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mchou:

considering to have to define the slave tuners etc.

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simcop2387:

anything i have to do with the filesystems to let them work together (e.g. share them with nfs)

[03:00:44]

mchou:

considering you* have to define the slave tuners etc.

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** Kazan screams at his IRblaster – WHY WON'T YOU TRANSMIT **

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simcop2387:

Kazan: heh, i'm going to be building/buying one for my parents, what kind did you get?

[03:01:42]

mchou:

probably best to use single namespace for the shared volume, dunno if that's a REQUIREMENT though

[03:01:46]

Kazan:

i had a irblaster.info one

[03:01:54]

Kazan:

i am not using one i built from scratch

[03:01:57]

Kazan:

neither worked

[03:02:07]

Kazan:

my one is integretated with my receiver

[03:02:14]

Kazan:

just use the schematics off lirc.org

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simcop2387:

mchou: so i do have to?

[03:02:43]

mchou:

simcop2387: most likely, but not definite :)

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mchou:

simcop2387: try them "apart" first, if that fails move the files to a single nfs mount point

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** Kazan cannot find a bloody thing online for troubleshooting a blaster that won't send **

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simcop2387:

mchou: i take it you haven't set up a master/slave setup then :)

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xris:

Kazan: do you know if the LED even works?

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mchou:

xris: bingo !

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Kazan:

xris: brand new led

[03:13:25]

Kazan:

but i had the same problem with two different LEDs

[03:13:37]

Kazan:

basically two seperate sets of transmit hardware – replaced the diode, resistor, led, cable

[03:13:42]

xris:

Kazan: not what I asked.. turn it on with a basic blink and then point a digicam at it to see if it really is blinking

[03:13:54]

Kazan:

how would i turn it on with a basic blink

[03:14:19]

mchou:

simple

[03:14:31]

mchou:

put current across it

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mchou:

a battery would do

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Kazan:

with what size of battery

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Kazan:

i have a diode, a 1kohm resistor, then the IR led

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mchou:

Kazan: how the hell should I know?? You have the led spec

[03:15:43]

Kazan:

heh

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Kazan:

it's a 150mA max LED

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xris:

Kazan: that kind of thing is covered in most "build a blaster" tutorials

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mchou:

sheesh

[03:16:20]

Kazan:

it is? http://lirc.org/transmitters.html

[03:16:21]

Kazan:

news to me

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xris:

http://losdos.dyndns.org:8080/public/mythtv-i . . . ed_LIRC.html

[03:16:38]

xris:

Kazan: it's covered in that document

[03:16:56]

Kazan:

i've tried putting it into loop transmit and got nothing

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xris:

Kazan: then either something is wrong with your circuit, your choice of serial port, etc...

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mchou:

Kazan: you havent even tested the basics

[03:17:49]

mchou:

it's not a model airplane

[03:18:40]

Kazan:

.....

[03:18:51]

Kazan:

i used the docs @ lirc

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mchou:

so?

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Kazan:

so the main farking sight should have everything

[03:19:14]

Kazan:

site*

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Kazan:

i shouldn't have to dig into some big document of crap to get the documentation that should be on the main site

[03:19:43]

Kazan:

but i did – and all the tests i've tried with digital cameras came up with no transmission

[03:19:55]

mchou:

there you go again, whining

[03:21:03]

Kazan:

mchou i am not whining

[03:21:10]

Kazan:

despite your snearing attitude to the contrary

[03:21:16]

mchou:

[20:19:31] <Kazan> i shouldn't have to dig into some big document of crap to get the documentation that should be on the main site

[03:21:19]

Kazan:

being peeved off about lack of documentaiton != whining

[03:21:20]

mchou:

what's that?

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Kazan:

being PISSED

[03:21:46]

Kazan:

if anyone is whining it's you whining about me being aggravated with a lack of documentation

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mchou:

being pissed is keeping it to yourself

[03:22:04]

Kazan:

sorry i wasn't aware we were using the mchou dictionary

[03:22:20]

mchou:

Kazan: perhaps you ought to check out the topic here.

[03:22:32]

mchou:

it's got some good advice

[03:22:39]

Kazan:

aye, you should follow it

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simcop2387:

xris: i think i need help i read blink as b-link

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** Kazan ignores mchou on this machine now too **

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Kazan:

xris: as you were saying

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Kazan:

xris: my circuit is exactly what's in the docs – except i have both the lirc.org documents ir receiver (Working) and the transmitter (not working) on one 9-pin serial

[03:25:32]

Kazan:

brb going to try to hotwire it w/ a nine volt

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simcop2387:

xris: nice page thats exactly what i'm after for my parents

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xris:

simcop2387: :)

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** Kazan is back **

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ShockValue:

blah.. mythtv is working properly.. i need to find a new game to play

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Kazan:

i didn't see anything w/ the 9v xris

[03:31:24]

Kazan:

but that 9V battery was trying to push through a 1kohm resistor

[03:31:43]

Kazan:

(using my digital camera which i know can see that freq from my remotes)

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xris:

Kazan: then either you blew out the led or your circuit is wrong

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ShockValue:

oh joy.. and gamespot.com starts off with an advertisement to join the military..

[03:32:26]

mchou:

ShockValue: hehe

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Kazan:

i have exactly: http://lirc.org/images/simple_transmitter.gif

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mchou:

what a better place to recruit

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simcop2387:

Kazan: still doesn't mean that you couldn't have blown the led

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Kazan:

it's a brand new led

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mchou:

lol

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Kazan:

it's only been exposed to voltage through a 1kohm resistor

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xris:

Kazan: what does that have to do with anything?

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Kazan:

there is no discoloration

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simcop2387:

a resistor doesn't magically protect it from being destroyed

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xris:

Kazan: put in a red LED and test

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xris:

or test the IR one against a single AA

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Kazan:

how exactly would i have blown a 150mA LED w/ 9v across a 1kohm resistor

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Kazan:

IR is soldered into place and shrinktubed around the wires

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mchou:

haha

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mchou:

like shrink tubing would prevent a led from being blown

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Kazan:

i've had this same problem with two LEDs

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Kazan:

two sets of tx hardware basically

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Kazan:

i bought an irblaster.info blaster and i've replaced every part now so it's now all my own

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simcop2387:

Kazan: are you sure its not in backwards?

[03:36:47]

Kazan:

yes

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simcop2387:

what about the diode?

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Kazan:

it's the right way

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Kazan:

same type of diode as in the receiver hardware

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Kazan:

and it works

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xris:

Kazan: is it possible that you got the LED too hot when you soldered it in?

[03:37:48]

Kazan:

not likely

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mchou:

if all fails use a voltmeter

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Kazan:

there is no physical damage to the LED in any form

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mchou:

haha

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mchou:

like you'd be able to see a p-n junction being blown

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xris:

Kazan: there's NO way you can tell from looking if you overheated the LED

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Kazan:

i have a voltmeter but the bastards didn't include the non-standard battery, and i didn't notice that until i got home (wasn't on the packaging)

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ShockValue:

sell ya my 55$ radio shack gift card for 40$ :)

[03:40:26]

Kazan:

ha

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Kazan:

didn't take you long to figure out what store it was :P

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ShockValue:

is there an option for "cp" to give you a progress indicator?

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ShockValue:

or some different command that does?

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simcop2387:

cp -v will tell you what file its on

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ShockValue:

yeh, but im copying 1 32gig file

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GreyFoxx:

rsync ?

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Kazan:

oh.. with debug=1 i get this in dmesg when it tries to send

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GreyFoxx:

rsync -av --progress source dest

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Kazan:

lirc_serial: AIEEEE: 0 1 44615b81 44615b5b 182d0 96655

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Kazan:

(with differing hex codes)

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GreyFoxx:

Or just background the cp process and keep ls'ing thefile :)

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ShockValue:

oh here we go: "cp -g"

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simcop2387:

ShockValue: cool

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Kazan:

i give up for the night

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xris:

GreyFoxx: and as I discovered today (for rsync): -S

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defaultro:

hi xris

[04:02:15]

xris:

:)

[04:02:29]

defaultro:

xris, do you know of a tool that we can use in linux that can convert .avi to .mpg?

[04:03:10]

xris:

ffmpeg

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defaultro:

ok

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ShockValue:

hrm.. i may have found my culprit drive.. it's taking more than 2x the time to copy a file to this drive than the others (and they're allt he same make and model)

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mchou:

ShockValue: turn on smart to find out

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ShockValue:

i did.. ran 3 different tests on all my drives with the smartctl program and they all came back fine

[04:05:41]

defaultro:

xris, what about streaming an avi on the fly to ffmpeg, do you have any idea?

[04:06:58]

xris:

defaultro: ffmpeg can do that just fine, I think

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mchou:

ShockValue: what drives are these?

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defaultro:

oh cool

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ShockValue:

maxtor 120G's

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ShockValue:

i had all 8 of them in a raid5 array, but i kept getting kernel panics with IDE type errors when trying to copy large files to it

[04:08:44]

ShockValue:

so i broke them out into seperate mounts and am copying files to them one at a time

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mchou:

you have 8 maxtor drives in one box???

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** ShockValue nods **

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mchou:

that's a recipe for disaster right there

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mchou:

maxtor drives run hottest of any drives out there

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ShockValue:

box is open with a desk fan pointed at the drives.. they're cool to the touch

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mchou:

they also are the most power hungry drives

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mchou:

check their current draw

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ShockValue:

how do i do that?

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mchou:

look at their specs :)

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defaultro:

xris, dvgrab creates 1gig avi file every 4.5 minutes

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defaultro:

hi mchou

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mchou:

hi defaultro

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ShockValue:

im sure im within limit.. i have 4 drives running of a dedicated 350w and the rest of the box on a 400w

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mchou:

defaultro: you finally get Discovery HD?

[04:11:59]

defaultro:

mchou, i'm capturing video from camcorder

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defaultro:

mchou, nope

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defaultro:

I gave up on it

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defaultro:

it is ENC mode

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mchou:

defaultro: wow

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mchou:

that sux

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defaultro:

i know :(

[04:12:34]

defaultro:

only local channels were in CLR

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mchou:

you return the STB then?

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defaultro:

not yet, once i got time

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mchou:

defaultro: you gotta move outta Chicago

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mchou:

:)

[04:14:12]

defaultro:

i'm recording video via firewire now. Sony has a DV format

[04:14:19]

defaultro:

mchou, yep :P

[04:14:35]

defaultro:

i found out when test-mpeg2 is not recording anything

[04:14:56]

defaultro:

then I saw a site that has an example of the dvgrab syntax

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mchou:

hehe

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defaultro:

it is recording without any issues

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defaultro:

but dude, i will run out of space

[04:15:30]

defaultro:

i wish there were other tools that create mpg file directly

[04:15:49]

defaultro:

i mean, takes DV input and creates an mpg file

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mchou:

defaultro: so you're doing this because?

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mchou:

just to make sure firewire capture works?

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: hi!

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: you got it working?

[04:17:35]

defaultro:

nope, i am taking pictures of my new construction house

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defaultro:

hi Slicer

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defaultro:

Slicer, i was not able to capture discovery HD :( They were all in ENC

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SlicerDicer-:

are you able to capture anything?

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mchou:

SlicerDicer: locals only

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xris:

totally not fair. The *one* episode of Good Eats that I'm missing happens to share a title with the episode of Boston Legal on tonight.

[04:18:37]

defaultro:

yes, locals only

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I think the dual tuner can be done

[04:19:11]

xris:

defaultro: dvgrab is for grabbing rawdv video from camcorders

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SlicerDicer-:

I got to do some experiment but I think so

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defaultro:

and on the screen too via my video out, it says Not subscribed

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: that'd be awesome

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defaultro:

xris, ok

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mchou:

SlicerDicer: really??

[04:19:24]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: yeah

[04:19:35]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: it seems highly possible

[04:19:38]

defaultro:

xris, do you know any tool that can take video from my cam and then save it as mpg

[04:19:47]

mchou:

SlicerDicer: how do you address each tuner?

[04:19:49]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: that I think is why I am getting a weird output

[04:19:51]

SlicerDicer-:

want to see?

[04:20:03]

mchou:

SlicerDicer: sure

[04:20:19]

xris:

defaultro: no. rawdv shouldn't be THAT big, though.. like 10G per half hour or so

[04:20:32]

defaultro:

it's 1gig now per 4 mins

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mchou:

SlicerDicer: yeah, BTW, thx for email

[04:20:36]

SlicerDicer-:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/Y1H1vx39.html

[04:20:38]

SlicerDicer-:

check that out

[04:20:41]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: helpful?

[04:20:53]

mchou:

SlicerDicer: yeah, very

[04:21:00]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: it explains quite well eh?

[04:21:03]

defaultro:

xris, it's now 4gig and 18mins

[04:21:16]

defaultro:

xris, your numbers are correct :)

[04:21:21]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: notice oPCR[0] and oPCR[1]?

[04:21:27]

SlicerDicer-:

I think its possible

[04:21:29]

mchou:

SlicerDicer: heh, that's good news

[04:21:34]

defaultro:

xris, i just hate it because, it is creating different files

[04:22:00]

defaultro:

ah, -size 0 frick

[04:22:15]

xris:

defaultro: I hate to say it but aside from a mac with imovie, Windows Moviemaker is the best thing for dealing with dv cameras

[04:22:22]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: that is jammed in my plugreport but now that I think about it I think it may work

[04:22:22]

mchou:

SlicerDicer: heh, so that's good news indeed

[04:22:45]

mchou:

SlicerDicer: let us know how you get on with that :)

[04:23:22]

SlicerDicer-:

I will do it

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defaultro:

xris, im going to try converting the avi later with ffmpeg

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: as you know I have 3 DCT 6200's and 1 of the dual tuner ones I am not lacking in the testing equipment hehe

[04:23:54]

mchou:

SlicerDicer: it'd be cool to get the dual pvr working

[04:24:06]

mchou:

SlicerDicer: yeah, no doubt

[04:24:06]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah 5 tuner recorder!!!

[04:24:22]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: the limitation is without RAID I cannot seem to use more than 1 tuner

[04:24:26]

SlicerDicer-:

err 2 tuners

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mchou:

SlicerDicer: you watch too much TV :)

[04:24:31]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: nice

[04:24:32]

SlicerDicer-:

if I use more than 2 tuners...

[04:24:35]

xris:

defaultro: yeah, ffmpeg should be fine

[04:24:36]

SlicerDicer-:

it overloads the harddrive

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defaultro:

David Blaine yesterday guys?

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Ryushin:

Well, my mythbox is still crashing/locking up. So moving to 2.6.16.9 again. Removed pre-empt from 2.6.15, and that brought stability for a few hours at a time. Grasping at straws here trying to solve this.

[04:24:52]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: I record a ton of discovery HD and food network stuff

[04:24:58]

mchou:

SlicerDicer: more likely it'd overload the firewire :)

[04:25:13]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: not really the firewire goes at 400 my harddrive goes at 50

[04:25:23]

SlicerDicer-:

they are ATA

[04:25:30]

SlicerDicer-:

if I had SATA it would go at full speed

[04:25:37]

SlicerDicer-:

btw mchou I came up with a brilliant solution

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mchou:

Ryushin: how does it crash?

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Ryushin:

SilcerDicer: I think the hard drive is MB and the firewire is Mb.

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SlicerDicer-:

you know how you said if I was using the harddrive and cd drive on the same ATA cable it would puke?

[04:26:04]

SlicerDicer-:

Ryushin: maybe so

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mchou:

SlicerDicer: I dont think I said that :)

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SlicerDicer-:

Ryushin: I have 1394b so it should not matter

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: ohh hehe

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mchou:

SlicerDicer: but it might indeed puke

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Ryushin:

mchou: I would say it's a complete lock. If the myth menu was on the screen, it's still there. Can ping it, can't send the magic sys rq to the kernel. It's just locked.

[04:27:01]

mchou:

you can ping it?

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: I did a brilliant partition scheme that makes it so the drive that the CD drive shares the cable with is never in use when the CD drive is :)

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: with an ata cable, you can only go as fast as the slowest active device... so don't USE the cd drive if you want the hard drive to be fast

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Ryushin:

Sorry, typo, can't ping it.

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: its UDMA5 on the cddrive so it goes fast hehe

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mchou:

Ryushin: what if x is not running?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: it was a brilliant scheme I did

[04:27:59]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: so what'd you do to get at the second tuner in the dvr?

[04:28:27]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: it just appeared in the plugreport the problem is figuring out how to get one set to bcast and the other to point2point

[04:28:36]

SlicerDicer-:

maybe thats the solution anyway

[04:28:42]

mchou:

Ryushin: would it still crash if X was not running?

[04:28:44]

SlicerDicer-:

I dont know like I said further experimentation is needed

[04:28:46]

Ryushin:

Well, it was locking up still. I'm thinking it might be the pvr-350 card. Kormoc, and I forget who else said they they think it was the preempt that might be causing it. Well, turning that off, did help.

[04:29:16]

mchou:

Ryushin: what mobo is this?

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defaultro:

xris, this didn't work. dvgrab -size 0 -opendml -format dv2 – | ffmpeg -i – -target dvd red.mpg

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Ryushin:

Well, it's a chaintech mb. But the thing is, that this sytem ran completely stable for 6+ months.

[04:30:06]

Ryushin:

I haven't started pulling hardware yet. That's next on my list.

[04:30:07]

mchou:

Ryushin: what chipset?

[04:30:15]

xris:

defaultro: -i /dev/stdin

[04:30:17]

xris:

?

[04:30:18]

defaultro:

xris, but if you write it first as .avi, ffmpeg will work

[04:30:20]

defaultro:

oh ok

[04:30:22]

defaultro:

:)

[04:30:26]

Ryushin:

I think it's the via k8t800, or something to that affect.

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xris:

defaultro: oh.. you probably need to tell ffmpeg that it's an avi

[04:30:42]

Ryushin:

That one supposedly didn't have any problems with ivtv.

[04:30:45]

defaultro:

still failed

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mchou:

Ryushin: I'd be inclined to suspect memory :)

[04:31:09]

defaultro:

xris, but how come this works. ffmpeg -i RedDelicious001.avi -target dvd Red.mpg

[04:31:25]

defaultro:

i'm just piping dvgrab

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Ryushin:

I ran the burnMMX test for a few hours, and that was fine. But I havn't done the memtest86 yet.

[04:31:47]

mchou:

Ryushin: my box ran fine for months. and all the suddent it started crashing left and right.....

[04:31:52]

xris:

defaultro: maybe dvgrab works differently via pipe

[04:31:54]

Ryushin:

Maybe I'll let that run all night to see what that find outs.

[04:32:06]

defaultro:

xris, looks like it is working! WHOA

[04:32:10]

mchou:

Ryushin: memtest passed with flying colors....

[04:32:34]

mchou:

but I took mem out and found the contacts were oxidized.......

[04:32:49]

mchou:

used a rubber eraser.....

[04:33:00]

mchou:

no more crashes!

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Ryushin:

Well, this memory is only 8 months old, but I can give that a try too.

[04:33:40]

defaultro:

xris, it didn't work

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mchou:

Ryushin: point of story: Dont trust memtest

[04:33:56]

Ryushin:

I guess that is a good point.

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xris:

defaultro: either dvgrab isn't outputting an avi when you do it in a pipe, or ffmpeg isn't auto-detecting properly and needs to be told what the input format is.

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xris:

defaultro: or... dvgrab is moving faster than ffmpeg can handle

[04:34:52]

defaultro:

ok

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Ryushin:

Yea, it's still gotta be hardware that is causing my issues. This box ran fine before with the current hardware, and even with 2.6.19, 6.1 ivtv, it ran solid for two weeks before all these crash.

[04:35:13]

defaultro:

am I correct that our standard camcorders are in 4:3 rator

[04:35:15]

defaultro:

ratio

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xris:

defaultro: yes

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defaultro:

ok

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Ryushin:

I cpuburned the cpu for 14 hours. That came through fine. I guess I'll start checking the memory next. I'll swap out the memory from my wife's computer. :)

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mchou:

Ryushin: better yet just use one stick :)

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Ryushin:

Yea, it only has one stick it it.

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ShockValue:

woot! i won at hearts for the first time ever:)

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defaultro:

xris, then once I got the mpg file, what tool do I need to make it a dvd?

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xris:

defaultro: no clue.

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defaultro:

:)

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xris:

I use imovie and idvd

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defaultro:

i forgot, i have the tool

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achew22:

Hi Everybody!

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achew22:

Does anyone know if mythburn is going to be updated for .19? Their site wasn't much help.

[05:01:33]

xris:

achew22: no clue, but I know that MythArchive will replace it in .20

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achew22:

hrm...

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achew22:

.20 is (in my mind at least) a ways away since .19 is only 2 and change months old now

[05:02:27]

laga:

heh

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laga:

i installed mytharchive last night, but i couldn't get it to work yet

[05:02:53]

achew22:

wait... mytharchive is out?

[05:02:57]

achew22:

can you get it from svn?

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xris:

yeah, somewhere in there

[05:03:39]

xris:

paul's been working on it pretty hard

[05:04:09]

achew22:

nice

[05:04:25]

achew22:

I almost asked a stupid question but stopped myself

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achew22:

you should be so proud xris

[05:04:55]

xris:

oh?

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achew22:

yep.. .but ofcourse the one time when I use man it doesn't have what I want

[05:05:41]

achew22:

such is life

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defaultro:

hey guys, what does mytharchive do :P

[05:05:46]

achew22:

burns dvds

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defaultro:

rips dvds and burns then

[05:06:00]

defaultro:

them

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achew22:

if it works anything like mythburn then its VERY cool

[05:06:06]

cesman:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArchive

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achew22:

it rips too?

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defaultro:

i was asking

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defaultro:

sorry

[05:06:19]

achew22:

no... i don't think so

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defaultro:

ok

[05:06:24]

achew22:

we already have a dvd ripper

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achew22:

i don't see the need to make a 2nd so my money is it just being a burner

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defaultro:

am assuming that mytharchive archives our recorded shows to dvd

[05:06:44]

achew22:

indeed it does

[05:06:47]

defaultro:

wow

[05:06:56]

defaultro:

has anyone used it for HDTV?

[05:07:14]

xris:

achew22: it's a port of mythburn to c++

[05:07:23]

achew22:

ohh

[05:07:32]

achew22:

is mythburn C?

[05:07:37]

xris:

bash, I think

[05:07:45]

achew22:

really!?

[05:07:47]

defaultro:

so looks like I may need to install the dvd burner on my mythbox :D

[05:07:57]

xris:

I never looked. Paul kept referring to it as "mythburn scripts" though

[05:08:01]

xris:

maybe perl

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defaultro:

any screenshots guys?

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achew22:

defaultro its okay — it creates a iso

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cesman:

It is BASH

[05:08:22]

achew22:

defaultro the old site is mythburn.sf.net

[05:08:25]

achew22:

its got a few samples

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cesman:

mythburn.sf.net

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defaultro:

ok

[05:08:28]

achew22:

and its based off of that

[05:08:45]

cesman:

it is rewritten in Python

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defaultro:

this tool is God sent

[05:08:59]

cesman:

read the wiki

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defaultro:

you wrote it xris?

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xris:

defaultro: no

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defaultro:

ok

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achew22:

defaultro its some guy's project

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achew22:

;)

[05:10:47]

defaultro:

it;s cool

[05:11:03]

defaultro:

btw, do you guys have any new theme?

[05:11:14]

achew22:

MythCenter

[05:11:22]

defaultro:

i wish someone will make something similar to xbox media center

[05:11:27]

defaultro:

i have mythcenter

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achew22:

there is one

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achew22:

one sec i'll hunt it down for you

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achew22:

defaultro http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:ProjectGrayhem.jpg is that what your looking for?

[05:13:21]

defaultro:

i have that too :D

[05:13:28]

defaultro:

i think i all have it

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defaultro:

was looking for something similar to the xbox's themes

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achew22:

isn't Project Mayhem 3 the default for XBMC?

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defaultro:

no worries boddy

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achew22:

ohh Xbox

[05:13:56]

defaultro:

buddy

[05:14:00]

achew22:

nevermind

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achew22:

i'm not making one for oyu

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defaultro:

:)

[05:14:20]

defaultro:

i saw it from a friend and it's totally awesome

[05:14:35]

achew22:

but if you have a moded xbox and you get the XDK you could get the thing worked out to get a really high rez screenshot and make one from the origional xbox stuff

[05:14:48]

achew22:

but the thing that makes the ui for xbox cool is the animated menus

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

gotcha

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achew22:

atm myth doesn't have animated menus

[05:16:19]

achew22:

its expected for .20 I beleive

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defaultro:

wow

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achew22:

wow what?

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defaultro:

animated menus on .20

[05:17:03]

defaultro:

hopefully

[05:17:06]

achew22:

its on the list

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achew22:

or a list somewhere

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achew22:

I was looking at lists of expected features earlier which is why I know this

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defaultro:

i sometimes feel bothered if i'm not helping myth. I don't know how to code using the language mythtv was built

[05:18:04]

achew22:

xris – if I have a computer that has mythbackend running and I set the sleep timer on it what does it do?

[05:18:22]

achew22:

defaultro I suck at C++ I help by giving answers for the crap I do know in the channel

[05:18:30]

defaultro:

:)

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xris:

achew22: no clue

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defaultro:

but i really want to help

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defaultro:

but i don't know where to start

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achew22:

defaultro I'm learning to code C++ this summer. maybe you could do the same

[05:19:14]

defaultro:

most of the things i code are more related to monitoring

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achew22:

myth has lots of monitoring

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defaultro:

Microsoft C++ :)

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defaultro:

or Borland C++

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achew22:

despite the blind hatred for micrsofot they make good hardware (mice/keyboards/etc.) and I really like their design environments

[05:20:00]

defaultro:

which is used with myth

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achew22:

defaultro they use GNU C++ I would bet

[05:20:29]

achew22:

its unlabled by any company

[05:22:36]

achew22:

is there a way to find out how large a dir is on your drive?

[05:23:44]

Blaketh:

du -sh ./dir

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ShockValue:

good god.. it looks like my hard drive problems may have been caused by a frickin IDE cable

[05:25:46]

achew22:

I had a do pee in my computer once

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achew22:

that was the most confusing problem I have ever had

[05:26:08]

achew22:

dog*

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ShockValue:

lol. that sucks

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achew22:

needless to say we don't keep computers at my bosses house any more and the ones we do have there are elevated

[05:30:15]

xris:

achew22: mine are just full of cat hair

[05:31:20]

achew22:

now i'm just ocnfused

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achew22:

xris I am feeling very noob...ish

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xris:

achew22: ?

[05:31:45]

achew22:

when I add the mb from a du /* it adds up to maybe 5 gigs

[05:31:46]

xris:

I'm digging this xen thing

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achew22:

then wehn I do a df

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achew22:

it says 96% full

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xris:

how big is the drive?

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achew22:

80g

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xris:

`du -csh /*` ?

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achew22:

technicaly 77g

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xris:

maybe a missing dot-file?

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xris:

add the c, though... it'll give you the sum total and skip hard links

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achew22:

okay — this isn't quite fair

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achew22:

I use a network filesystem thats 400gb

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achew22:

so I have been adding an x on there to not count other file systems

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achew22:

"5.3G total"

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xris:

and `df -h` says the / partition is full?

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xris:

sorry to cut short.. afk.

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achew22:

'/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-root 72G 65G 3.4G 96% /'

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achew22:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

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nilla:

anyone know of a good mythtv tutorial with kubuntu?

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achew22:

ooh I DO

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achew22:

http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html

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achew22:

kubuntu == ubuntu but with kde

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nilla:

thanks

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mchou:

achew22: not anymore

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achew22:

??

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mchou:

achew22: ubuntu has announced "commitment" to KDE

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ShockValue:

blah, i just built a new array, why does it need to resync

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achew22:

really

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achew22:

mchou score for the kde team

[05:38:34]

mchou:

achew22: http://dot.kde.org/1147097810/

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mchou:

achew22: we'll see if the comittment is "real"

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achew22:

yep — never know with those shifty IT guys

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ShockValue:

yeah, so, i replaced all my IDE cables... voila.. no more errors (so far)

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ShockValue:

that only took me a week.. <sigh>

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ShockValue:

ah well.. 800G is worth it :D

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mchou:

ShockValue: was the old cable round?

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Fosten:

anyone here use myth2ipod?

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simcop2387:

well tommorrow i make some more futile attempts at finding a codec and fps rate that works well for decoding on my zaurus

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achew22:

how does the playlist work in recorded programs?

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simcop2387:

after you add things to it, hit m (or menu) and go to playlist options and you'll see what you can do with them

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simcop2387:

if you want to add things, hit I or the right arrow key and say add to playlist

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achew22:

yeah

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achew22:

but when they are on the list

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achew22:

how do you play the list

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Captain_Murdoch:

popup the MENU and there's a "play" under playlist options

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achew22:

that just plays it... it doesn't do the playlist

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Captain_Murdoch:

it plays the playlist if you select PLAY under the MENU popup, not the INFO popup that only plays the recording

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Captain_Murdoch:

you have to go to the "playlist options" submenu and there is another PLAY button under there.

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haj:

Spida: (if you are still here)

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haj:

Spida: no, the card works just fine when i use mplayer and ivtv-tune

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TakKovacs:

has anyone tried a Pinnacle Dazzle DVC 90 to get external video into their myth box ?

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epssy:

in media manager (or where ever you go to see what movies and the like you have recorded etc) it is all displayed as a bunch of files

[10:07:05]

epssy:

is there a way to make this into a folder system, less clutter?

[10:08:35]

Spida:

haj: I am still (or better: again) here

[10:09:04]

Spida:

I can't get my cards to load the firmware

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Merlin83b:

epssy: The video player? Somewhere under setup – mine's all in folders.

[10:14:52]

Merlin83b:

You'll need to put them in folders on the filesystem...

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haj:

Spida: i think something f*cked up the database.. now i'm starting over to see if it helps..

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sapbeast:

success is mine

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stuarta:

afternoon Juski

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Juski:

afternoon stuarta

[11:04:40]

stuarta:

saw some good news in the paper yesterday

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Juski:

hmmm?

[11:05:06]

Juski:

itv are going bust?

[11:05:17]

epssy:

I've installed lirc correctly and setup everything right though irw doesn't report any thing...it just goes to a new line; using a 350 remote, suggestions?

[11:05:18]

stuarta:

home shopping tv channel 'ChoicesUK TV' closed with loses of 1.35mill

[11:05:26]

Juski:

yes!!!

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stuarta:

sadly it was only on $ky

[11:06:03]

Juski:

epssy: I see an error in what you just said, if irw isn't working ;-)

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epssy:

Juski hehe

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epssy:

Juski there were no errors (that I couldn't get around) until I got to irw

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epssy:

and it just goes to a new # $

[11:06:52]

Juski:

stuarta: $ky have had a disappointing year apparently. heheheh

[11:07:20]

stuarta:

such a shame....

[11:07:32]

epssy:

lirc_i2c is loaded (using a 350 grey remote), lircd is running, and the /etc/lirc.conf includes the codes for the remote I have

[11:07:38]

epssy:

so, suggestions :P

[11:08:06]

Juski:

epssy: I'd always suggest looking to see if lircd is listening to the right device

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epssy:

Juski ah; and any chance you can save me trawlling through the horrible documentation to find out how to do that?

[11:10:11]

Juski:

epssy: hmm.. spare a user having to read documentation? hmmmmmmm

[11:10:33]

epssy:

Juski heh, never mind

[11:10:37]

epssy:

I think I might have found it

[11:10:39]

epssy:

(what luck)

[11:11:30]

Juski:

funny that. reading the docs providing information useful to getting something working. what'll they think of next?

[11:13:50]

epssy:

more accurately the next section of a random part of the documentation I was looking at had some thing which by mistake I put into the console and noticed I had the error in question

[11:14:03]

epssy:

so, go randomness for uber documentation navitation :D

[11:14:09]

** epssy reboots to see if it wroks **

[11:14:41]

epssy:

hopefully mythtv doesn't have to be recompiled to support it!

[11:14:48]

epssy:

else I shall be very unhappy :(

[11:14:52]

Juski:

I have to agree with you though – the lirc documentation is erm... erm... well... it's _there_

[11:15:01]

epssy:

Juski :)

[11:15:10]

epssy:

guess thats what you get for a seven year old project

[11:15:32]

Juski:

epssy: if you've not compiled mythtv to support lirc, then you'll have to recompile it – or else use irxevent

[11:15:53]

epssy:

yeah

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epssy:

more documentation! :D

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** epssy prays irw works **

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TakKovacs:

Hi there Juski

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epssy:

yay it broke completely :D

[11:17:05]

epssy:

how the hell did that happen :

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epssy:

grr

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** epssy goes back from the top **

[11:18:01]

** Juski smells a theme related question about to crop up... **

[11:18:12]

epssy:

haha, no no

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Juski:

oh fsck. one more like this & I'm resigning, I SWEAR: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=

[11:20:03]

epssy:

seems it possibly comes down to a missing 'a' in alias in /etc/modutils/ivtv :P

[11:20:24]

epssy:

haha

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Juski:

that one doesn't even justify an answer does it?

[11:20:54]

epssy:

iirc fat32 w/ extended hates 4gig+

[11:21:00]

epssy:

right/

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Juski:

wtf is someone putting fat32 on a linux box for?!

[11:21:23]

epssy:

they hate life

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TakKovacs:

Juski: got a sec for a quick question ?

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epssy:

I read one today...some newb wanted to isntall osx on a primary fat32 part

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Juski:

TakKovacs: as long as it's not a dumb one

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TakKovacs:

lol

[11:22:04]

Juski:

ask away – I'm not the only sucker here ya know

[11:22:41]

TakKovacs:

i think you mentioned the other night that video in via s-video generally looks awful..like vhs..

[11:23:23]

Juski:

no I mentioned that software encoding looks shite, like VHS.. at least mjpeg does

[11:23:56]

TakKovacs:

yep..that's the one..now this little box http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/us/Prod . . . eator+90.htm

[11:24:03]

Juski:

it did when I tried it around xmas

[11:24:16]

Juski:

ugh...

[11:24:29]

TakKovacs:

does mepg encoding before spitting it out a USB port..that should help the situation..am I correct ?

[11:25:32]

Juski:

TakKovacs: is it supported in Linux? that's the most important question

[11:25:50]

TakKovacs:

yup it is...first thing I checked :-)

[11:25:54]

Juski:

and you ain't gonna like to hear what I have to say about USB

[11:25:57]

TakKovacs:

v4l has the drivers

[11:26:07]

TakKovacs:

ah crud..

[11:26:27]

TakKovacs:

no pci slots left in the shuttle box :-(

[11:26:34]

Juski:

it's a personal thing – I just hate it – even usb2 is sucky IMHO – compared to firewire

[11:26:50]

TakKovacs:

mmmm fair point..

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Juski:

maybe it's much better in linux

[11:27:02]

Zider:

the advantage that usb has is that it's a much more wide-spread standard

[11:27:09]

hashbang:

firewire is teh suck on Linux. :-(

[11:27:32]

hashbang:

but Juski's on the mark; firewire is to SCSI as USB is to ATA.

[11:28:17]

Juski:

how do I know? measuring transfer speed of 1 10GB file over USB2, then doing it over firewire

[11:28:20]

hashbang:

also, it seems it's easier to find really crappy firewire hardware than it is to find crappy USB hardware

[11:28:20]

Zider:

uh, that's a way to put it.. I guess..

[11:28:36]

Juski:

all USB hardware is shite, IMHO ;-)

[11:28:44]

Juski:

it's alright for mices & stuff

[11:28:52]

Juski:

anyway..

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hashbang:

Juski: my USB caddies work, my firewire caddies don't. ;-)

[11:28:57]

TakKovacs:

so setting aside the general dislike of USB :-) doing the mpeg2 encoding in a little box like this should increase image quality ?

[11:29:06]

Zider:

I have 12 USB ports in my main box, all but two is used.. no problems here.. :P

[11:29:23]

Juski:

TakKovacs: I doubt the v4l driver for the dazzle dongle supports it properly.

[11:29:46]

TakKovacs:

Juski: that's what I was scared of..

[11:29:55]

Juski:

it'll probably give you 320x240 something in webcam-like quality

[11:30:06]

TakKovacs:

ah I see..

[11:30:11]

Juski:

I bet that's where it lies in the 'support' list – among the webcams

[11:30:27]

Juski:

it _might_ work and it _might_ be good, but it's a gamble

[11:30:41]

TakKovacs:

mmm..it's the $150 question lol

[11:31:08]

Juski:

$150 will buy you a half decent case & motherboard with enough PCI slots :-P

[11:31:59]

Juski:

TakKovacs: in all honesty in your position I'd either be looking at building a 'proper' system or I'd have bought a Plextor ConvertX

[11:32:10]

TakKovacs:

good point...I'm not buying a new case and m'board until I've got a couple of G's to spend

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TakKovacs:

(I'm talking aussie peso's btw)

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Juski:

at least the ConvertX is known to work & it's good

[11:32:45]

TakKovacs:

USB ?

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Juski:

funnily enough yes

[11:33:04]

Juski:

but Plextor did the drivers

[11:33:08]

TakKovacs:

aka VideoOH ?

[11:33:18]

Juski:

no

[11:33:21]

Juski:

aka ConvertX

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TakKovacs:

ah cool...will go looking..

[11:33:49]

TakKovacs:

once again..thanks for the help..most appreciated

[11:33:53]

Juski:

hardware mpeg4 too

[11:34:10]

Juski:

http://www.plextor-europe.com/products/px-tv4 . . . %20PX-TV402U

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Juski:

more expensive than other USB solutions but it's got a very good track record. Oh AND proper drivers

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TakKovacs:

#me nods

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** TakKovacs nods **

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TakKovacs:

the Dazzle is listed under the em28xx-cards.c

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epssy:

haha

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epssy:

okay so irw works now

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epssy:

but nothing is returned

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epssy:

guessing that means a config file is missing :|

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** epssy wanders around the documentation...again **

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Juski:

maybe the lircd.conf file is actually for a different remote

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epssy:

yes, thought that, though it has hauppauge codes in it :|

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epssy:

I have the old grey one for the 350

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** epssy waits for the system to boot to check it **

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Juski:

so? hauppauge have more than one

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epssy:

yeah, they have to many

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epssy:

well that didn't work

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epssy:

well...it sort of worked

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epssy:

# supported devices: WinTV primo; WinTV pci; WinTV radio

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epssy:

I'm assuming my 350 is covered by wintv pci

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epssy:

do I have to remove the ones mine isn't?

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epssy:

found mine :D ...the config file was gen'ed by a 7.0.x version, is that okay?

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MORA:

I installed the svn 19-fixes version and channel scan works now, but still no picture, after a while a dialog box popups up saying I should have a picture by now :/

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MORA:

maybe I should compile the latest svn instead

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TakKovacs:

thanks for the help guys..gotta go

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** Juski is bored **

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laga:

!trout Juski

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a trout on behalf of laga... **

[13:11:22]

laga:

and i'm tired

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Merlin83b:

Juski: Is it AD group you work for?

[13:11:35]

Juski:

I'm tired too – tired of being here

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Juski:

Merlin83b: they pwn the company I work for

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** laga is tired from taking a nap ;) **

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Merlin83b:

Juski: They were in the MEN yesterday.

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Juski:

what for now?

[13:12:11]

Merlin83b:

I read all about the super rich guy that owns the company.

[13:12:17]

Merlin83b:

For being great, as far as I could make out.

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Juski:

mike hunt? yeh

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Merlin83b:

It was a news free news item.

[13:12:57]

Juski:

we won an award the other day for the thing I build all the demo boxen for

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Merlin83b:

So, basically, you won the award :-)

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Juski:

made a change that we didn't win it for a product we just made obsolete

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** Juski tries to remember... has he been thanked for that yet? **

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laga:

Juski: BTW, i think the new "have the best meds at hand" is actually a quote from one of dan brown's books+

[13:14:21]

Juski:

heh

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laga:

i really like the spam we're getting.

[13:15:28]

Juski:

let's face it laga it's better than most of the postings

[13:15:33]

Juski:

seen the one about Fat32?

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laga:

nope

[13:16:34]

Juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=

[13:18:12]

Juski:

Merlin83b: what won the award is a box which records up to 8 cameras and plays back adverts – said ads can be linked to GPS locations or changed via SMS :-/

[13:18:46]

Juski:

so I guess I'll be in much less of a rush to travel on public transport in future ;-)

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laga:

public transport sucks anyways

[13:20:36]

Juski:

true. too many smelly proles :-P

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laga:

yep

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laga:

though i didn't pay attention when parking my car today – lot of nastry scratches. stupid wall :/

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Merlin83b:

When does it play the ads, Juski?

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laga:

+spelling. not fully awake yet ;)

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Merlin83b:

What sort of application?

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laga:

Merlin83b: when it's most annoying, i suppose. business as usual

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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Merlin83b:

I'm picturing it as a system like those I've seen in big office blocks in New York – CCTV all over the place, small TV screens in the lifts.

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Juski:

Merlin83b: for advertising on buses & trains. they can pop ads up according to any criteria they like

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Juski:

as well as recording cctv images

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Merlin83b:

Oh ah

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Juski:

oh that's also 'great' – logging not just images but when & where too

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Merlin83b:

That is pretty nifty.

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Juski:

from a techy point of view yes

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laga:

Merlin83b: from an engineering POV, yes

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laga:

heh

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Juski:

also nifty is that you can send it a txt message & cut the engine

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Merlin83b:

That's the point og view I was taking.

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Juski:

:-D

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Merlin83b:

lol

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Merlin83b:

And you'll have all the numbers? ;-)

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Juski:

sadly not

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Juski:

if they're done with 3G or GPRS routers it's pretty damn watertight though

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Juski:

then you'd send it a control message, not SMS

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Merlin83b:

Oh well :-)

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laga:

baseball bat should work for disabling, too

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laga:

or EMP

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Juski:

lol

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** laga is felling misanthropic enough to have some nuclear detonations in the atmosphere, though **

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Juski:

I heard that last summer's happennings in London were helped to be foiled by our kit

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laga:

Juski: the police killing people carrying backpacks?

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Juski:

also heard that the bus that got blown up had a competitor's dvr on it

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Juski:

laga: no, the evidence that got the people who made the failed attempt

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Juski:

I heard about the woman who blew the whistle on the menezez shooting though – fucking disgusting what the police did

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** Juski heard too much ;-) **

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laga:

heh

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Juski:

well that managed to kill the chatter

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Zider:

yes. :(

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Juski:

hahaha

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laga:

!trout channel

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** MythLogBot slaps channel with a trout on behalf of laga... **

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** Zider slaps laga silly **

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laga:

:/

[14:03:01]

C4T3l:

I need help with a theme problem. I accedently switched themes to Minimalist-wide and cannot see the settings option on screen to change it back.

[14:03:24]

laga:

C4T3l: maybe you wanna try to start mythfrontend with the --reset switch

[14:04:25]

C4T3l:

laga: theres a little prob with that, I manually edited the mysql database and now nothing works

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C4T3l:

i changed the settings table value for theme and the whole thing just doesnt load at all

[14:06:26]

C4T3l:

the output of the mythfrontend says that it cant find the theme i specified

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C4T3l:

i know that it is there i can see it in /usr/share/mythtv/themes

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Juski:

lesson learned – only use one of the _nice_ wide themes, not that minimalist one ;-)

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C4T3l:

have you experienced same prob

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stuarta:

this is cool -> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online . . . d_2d000_2dgi

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Zider:

cool in what way?

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C4T3l:

has anyone upgraded to .19 from .18?

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stuarta:

cool as in online almost solid state disk, ie. Really fast...

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Zider:

and really small

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stuarta:

pci card

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Zider:

I mean in capacity

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stuarta:

when you are talking about that market place, your only other option is solid state which is small and $$$

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Zider:

solid state flash drives are upto 64GB

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Zider:

I even read about 128GB

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stuarta:

what's the maximum write count on flash though?

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Zider:

pretty high nowadays.. plus they're automatically "spreading" the writes evenly on the flash chip

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Zider:

most flash chip you buy in the store has 1mil writes or so

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jams:

C4T3l- pressing pgdown/pgup would have shown you the menu option for the setting screen

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dorel_:

say i have 2 machines, one is runing the backend and the other the frontend. they are both connected on the same network.

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jams:

available servers ?

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C4T3l:

jams: crap, well I should have been more patient.

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jams:

dorel_- the video list is pulled from the database but the files must be available to the frontend. This can be done via nfs or smb.

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jams:

in other words the backend will not stream the videos, like it can/will with recordings

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dorel_:

right that was my question

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dorel_:

well ive defined an smb share for it

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dorel_:

but do i actually have to transfer them myself manually or does it know automatically to play them from the share?

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jams:

after the share is mounted then you have nothing to worry about. Just make sure the share is mounted at the same place across all machines

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RobinhoPeixoto:

Hi

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dorel_:

i see

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RobinhoPeixoto:

I am have problems with sicronization of audio and video. I'm using the bttv 878

[15:01:13]

RobinhoPeixoto:

sorry my english

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Juski:

hmm lemme see.. has anyone ever upgraded from 0.18 to 0.19.

[15:02:36]

RobinhoPeixoto:

no. I started by 0.19

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Juski:

RobinhoPeixoto: you might want to check the mythtv documentation about that. see the section about audio & video being out of sync

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Juski:

it's in the 'troubleshooting' section

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** Juski is about to spend $16,445 eeeep! **

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** scopeuk fetches juski a cold towel **

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RobinhoPeixoto:

I have another problem. When i close the myth or stop to see tv the audio keep working

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stuarta:

ouch, thought I'd had a bad day and I only spent 30quid

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Juski:

bet you didn't have to place an order for a SATA analyser though ;-)

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stuarta:

no, just bought a sexy hub, and a rip off priced cable

[15:09:39]

Juski:

RobinhoPeixoto: again, see the troubleshooting section of the documentation

[15:10:02]

Juski:

stuarta: a scam like the 'free' printer, £50 USB cable?

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scopeuk:

robthebob i use to have that problem

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scopeuk:

are you usign a card that uses lien in n your sound card

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scopeuk:

its basicaly a setting wrong in alsamixer

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Juski:

scopeuk: he needs to RTFM – it's all covered

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scopeuk:

ok

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scopeuk:

dident see the other question

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scopeuk:

's

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scopeuk:

sata analyser though Juski what on earth are you up 2?

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sapbeast:

now, i wish that i could discover which shows i missed recording over the past few days

[15:12:51]

stuarta:

Juski: nah just the cable that cost 2.50 online, 10 in the shop

[15:13:05]

Juski:

stuarta: £10 isn't bad at all

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Juski:

scopeuk: we is mostly writing high performance drivers for our sata interface

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Juski:

propriatary stuff

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stuarta:

considering I want it tonight, it's not too bad...

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Juski:

next we're gonna need a 10Gs/sec scope

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stuarta:

just buy a SAN :)

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Juski:

our CEO doesn't like SAN

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Juski:

we do what he says or we go somewhere else

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Juski:

;-)

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stuarta:

no idea how you plan to get 10G/s then

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stuarta:

short of 4x SATA II (@3G/s) in parallel...

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Juski:

stuarta: you need a 10Gs/sec scope to check the physical interface layer – make sure it's all nice

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Juski:

need to be able to see 4th & 5th harmonic of the data lines

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jams:

wow doesn't like SAN

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jams:

why not?

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stuarta:

$$$$$

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Juski:

this channel is logged so I can't say what I think

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sapbeast:

LOL

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sapbeast:

that bad eh

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Juski:

;-)

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jams:

if you said "doesnt like EMC" I would understand..

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Juski:

it's ok though – we'll be able to get nice big RAID arrays that use USB to connect to our kit though, won't we?

[15:18:23]

Juski:

:-O

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stuarta:

rofl...

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Juski:

exactly

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Juski:

FC was originally on the cards.. good plan

[15:19:44]

Juski:

FC/SAN – all good

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Juski:

USB – not so good.

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sapbeast:

Juski: my sata problems are now g-o-n-e thanks to mchous advice

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Juski:

far be it from me to worry about the company I work for making such decisions

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sapbeast:

and my mythbox works again

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Juski:

sapbeast: I think the linux kernel guys could do with a lend of this analyser I've had a loan of

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RobinhoPeixoto:

thanks

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sapbeast:

apparently, considering the problems i had

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sapbeast:

at least for the sil3114 driver

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Juski:

only costs sixteen and a half thousand dollars

[15:22:31]

sapbeast:

yeah i have a 5 grand lan analyzer sitting behind me

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sapbeast:

(im at work)

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Juski:

btw – we sell one unit, we make it back

[15:23:19]

Juski:

we just have to sell one

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Juski:

lol

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Ryushin:

Anyone here about an error in current svn regarding gltext?

[15:24:51]

Ryushin:

Juski: Oh, and I spoke too soon. Box crashed again. But I was reading that re-arranging the pci cards might fix it. So I'm going to start pulling and rearranging hardware to see if the solution rears itself.

[15:27:04]

Ryushin:

The pastebin on the error is here: http://pastebin.com/709524

[15:27:35]

Ryushin:

I'm always hesitent to post anything to the #mythtv channel. But should this go there instead?

[15:28:13]

sacked_foo:

here first, then users ML – and if it's about SVN, to the dev list

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sacked_foo:

only questions about developing mythtv to #mythtv AFAIK

[15:28:57]

sacked_foo:

anyway – time to go

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Ryushin:

Well, this is about SVN. But not about developing SVN, so I won't go there.

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stuarta:

Ryushin: what are you trying to do? just compile svn??

[15:31:41]

stuarta:

have you been upgrading the GL libs or X?

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Ryushin:

Yea, just compile SVN.

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Ryushin:

I'm running X.org 6.9 right now. Do I need to run 7?

[15:34:14]

Ryushin:

This did compile fine just the other day.

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qfour20:

I'm having some issues with mythbackend not being able to open the database in mysql.

[15:34:31]

qfour20:

I'm using gentoo w/mythtv 0.19

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Ryushin:

Maybe I should just erase the whole svn and get a fresh copy. I'll try that.

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qfour20:

I added this statement in mysql: grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv";

[15:35:14]

stuarta:

Ryushin: I'd try an svn update first, may just be a temporary blip

[15:36:41]

Ryushin:

Yea, I did do svn update. That didn't work. Lets see what happens. It errors fairly quickly.

[15:37:02]

Ryushin:

Should I always do a make distclean everytime I svn update?

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stuarta:

good practice, unless you know what you are doing.

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stuarta:

but this doesn't look like linking problems

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Ryushin:

It's compiling. Lets wait and see. :)

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jams:

it's amazing how much frustration mislabeling two cables on a kvm can cause.

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stuarta:

your other option is to downgrade to an earlier svn version that you know works

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defaultro:

xris, you there/

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defaultro:

?

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stuarta:

defaultro: learn /whois

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defaultro:

hi xris

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defaultro:

xris, quick question

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defaultro:

xris, i noticed that my captured video is about 3% faster using the dvgrab

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jams:

what timing

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Ryushin:

stuarta: Nope, same error.

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defaultro:

then i converted it via ffmpeg, the speed is still the same

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defaultro:

jams, is that question for me?

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stuarta:

Ryushin: any of your GL libs been upgraded recently?

[15:43:58]

Ryushin:

Well, I downgraded debian sid to debian testing. But this compiled fine under 2.6.15 yesterday. I upgraded to 2.6.16.9 last night to try and solve my stability issues. Then just did a make distclean and make again. And now this error.

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Ryushin:

I did a make distclean for 2.6.15 as well.

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stuarta:

okay, both of those run xorg 6.9 by default

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Ryushin:

Well, Sid not upgrade to 7 as of two-three weeks ago.

[15:45:46]

Ryushin:

I mean Sid uses 7 now.

[15:45:53]

Ryushin:

But still.....

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Ryushin:

This error bothers me: /usr/X11R6/include/GL/glext.h:2:2: error: #endif without #if

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ivor:

Ryushin: those errors don't look good.

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ivor:

what does line 1 of: /usr/X11R6/include/GL/gl.h look like

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Ryushin:

oat param);

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stuarta:

hence my questions about GL libs

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ivor:

Ryushin: there you go.

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ivor:

your header files are completely screwed.

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Ryushin:

Then it's time to fix them. :)

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stuarta:

maybe purge and reinstall

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ivor:

yup.

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Ryushin:

That's the plan.

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ivor:

then worry how/why it happened

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stuarta:

checking in between purge & install that the files have indeed vanished

[15:50:34]

ivor:

and what other data has been fcked.

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stuarta:

ivor: my guess would be the downgrade from xorg 7 to 6.9

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ivor:

stuarta: how would that corrupt a header file like that though?

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Ryushin:

Much better.

[15:51:31]

Ryushin:

Probably because my box has been crashing heavily.

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stuarta:

dunno, was thinking leftover headers being pulled in

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ivor:

a likely cause. but potentially any other file that was being written to the filesystem and hadn't been flushed is also crap.

[15:52:37]

ivor:

good idea to "sync" regularly on a system you're playing with.

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Ryushin:

K. That fixed it. Compiling again. Thanks guys. Hopefully I can track down what is causing my box to crash so often. Ran memtest all last night and didn't find a single error.

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ivor:

Ryushin: sync often.

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stuarta:

does your video card fan still work?

[15:53:27]

Ryushin:

I've never heard that debian can sync? I can check the md5sums.

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** stuarta ponders buying an external drive for backup purposes.... **

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Ryushin:

It's a fanless card. FX5200. I'm not impressed that I have closed source drivers on my system. It's the only way I can do XvMC using DVI. Which I'm not using at the moment because of the problems with nvidia, xvmc, and HD.

[15:55:14]

Ryushin:

My main server backups up my myth box ever night.

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Ryushin:

How do you get debian to perform a "sync"?

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mlehrer:

/bin/sync

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ivor:

wonder if theres that much demand for open source nvidia xvmc drivers.

[16:05:22]

ivor:

aren't most people happy using the nvidia binaries

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mlehrer:

my god yes

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mlehrer:

i h8 binary drivers

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DGnome:

;o

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DGnome:

well, comparing to ATI-drivers .. I'm happy ^^

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mlehrer:

ubuntu does a fine job of making it somewhat simple

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mlehrer:

but it is still annoying

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Ryushin:

I would toss out my nvidia card in a heart beat if I could find a open source xvmc card with dvi on it. Heck, I'd pay 3–4 times the price that I paid for the FX5200 just to get rid of it. I would still like it to be fanless though.

[16:10:26]

ivor:

well last time I tried talking about writing nvidia xvmc drivers the response was pretty hostile with most people saying how terrible it would be doing something like that when nvidia were putting so much effort into supporting linux.

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mlehrer:

nvidia is a hardware company

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mlehrer:

they are idiots if they care what kind of software people use

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jams:

man ivor your always causing trouble

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ivor:

ho hum.

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Ryushin:

If there were into "supporting" linux, they would open source the drivers.

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Ryushin:

Or at least, provide ability to access to the so we can help them fix the bugs.

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Ryushin:

I'm hopping that the new S3 card that they just put out will have the via_xvmc working on it sometime.

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ivor:

will need to write the drivers for it first.

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mlehrer:

what's the new s3 card like

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Ryushin:

http://www.s3graphics.com/en/products/chrome_s27/index.jsp

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Ryushin:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814272001

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jk1joel:

are the current via drivers open source?

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mlehrer:

someone was working on them awhile ago. i'm not sure if they made it to the main X and kernel distributions though

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Ryushin:

Not certain if there are open source drivers what will run the chrome_s27 right now.

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mlehrer:

it was gentoo-only for a long time

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mlehrer:

~lart gentoo

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jk1joel:

Ryushin: right, I just meant for older cards

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Ryushin:

I'm starting to think we need a dedicated linux video card, like the HD-3000 card.

[16:28:43]

Ryushin:

Maybe pchdtv should explore that option as well.

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mlehrer:

i have been asking them about that, but no response yet

[16:29:05]

mlehrer:

that is a tough problem

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jk1joel:

nah, we want them to focus on making a pci express dual tuner card

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jk1joel:

:)

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mlehrer:

there is a project called open-graphics iirc that is trying

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mlehrer:

i would like to see a low profile hd-3000

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jk1joel:

isn't the new hd-5500 low profile?

[16:30:18]

jk1joel:

and cheaper than the old cards too

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Ryushin:

Well, I'd like to support pchdtv, since they have given so much back to the community.

[16:30:51]

Ryushin:

Don't they employ Daniel as well?

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Merlin83b:

Find some way of telling them that's why you're buying their kit (if you do) so that they know to carry on :-)

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jk1joel:

Ryushin: no doubt. All I'm saying is that they're pretty small and wouldn't really have the resources to build video cards too. They should focus on what they're good at

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mlehrer:

ah yes the 5500 is low profile – nice!

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mlehrer:

might be time to upgrade my 2000

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ivor:

jk1joel, mlehrer: yes the via drivers are OSS. the chrome_s27 won't work with them. there is no source for the chrome_s27.

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jk1joel:

ivor: do those existing drivers support xvmc?

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ivor:

mlehrer: it was never gentoo only.

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ivor:

:)

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ivor:

jk1joel: yes. with caveats.

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jk1joel:

cool

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jk1joel:

what I'd like to see is a dual-output card where the driver supports xv and xvmc on both outputs so I can use one box to power two frontends

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jk1joel:

for now, I'll just have to have two video cards, which means fewer tuner cards

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haj:

can i change callsign and name in channel configuration without destroying anything?

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nuxil:

hi all..

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nuxil:

im a noob @ mythtv.. and i have a Q... i have run the setup and set the ip to 127.0.0..1 for both options,,.and i have started mythbackend.. but when i run mythfrontend and go to watch tv i get this error about cannot connect to master server. "its all in norweigan" it saya my ip might be wrong or its not running,,,, what shall i do?

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sapbeast:

might be a good idea to watch the output of mythbackend.log

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sapbeast:

tail -f /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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nuxil:

while i start it up?

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sapbeast:

yeah... have another console open

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nuxil:

oh i see pvr500 is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput.

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nuxil:

that might be it

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nuxil:

?

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sapbeast:

yeah it needs a video source

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sapbeast:

thats one problem

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nuxil:

let ne fix that :)

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jk1joel:

so I know that currently the xbox frontends can't handle hdtv streams. is that because it has no xvmc support?

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sapbeast:

i would imagine that its because the xbox has a partly celeron 733 as a cpu

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nuxil:

sapbeast thxz ;) tailing that file was usefull :)

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jk1joel:

but would that be enough juice if the nvidia gpu did the decoding in hardware? (or is it already with sd streams?)

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sapbeast:

well even then it wasnt designed for high def decoding

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sapbeast:

a pentium 4 3ghz barely decodes 1080 in software... with a *modern* video card its better

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sapbeast:

nuxil: does it work now

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nuxil:

yepp :)

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nuxil:

thxz to you :)'

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sapbeast:

well it was something simple... unlike my problem this past week :p

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jk1joel:

sapbeast: so the xbox gpu is too old to do xvmc? or is it an issue of no available drivers?

[17:30:39]

sapbeast:

not too old, but i imagine maybe not fast enough

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sapbeast:

its technically a geforce 3 ti500 with some extras tagged on

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sapbeast:

but xvmc requires a geforce 4?

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sapbeast:

at the bare minimum

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jk1joel:

well I suppose I'll give up on the idea of an xbox frontend before I started on one. :(

[17:31:34]

jk1joel:

maybe the xbox360 will come down in price and we can use that. :)

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sapbeast:

well it might change but i wouldnt hold terribly high hopes yet

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sapbeast:

it simply was not designed for it

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Bugatti:

would a geforce2 be good enough for outputting to a HD tv?

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mlehrer:

depends on your cpu

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mlehrer:

probably

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sapbeast:

geforce 2 would be all cpu

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Bugatti:

do you think it would be worth spending $75 more for a 6600 ?

[17:45:31]

Bugatti:

like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127192

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xris:

Bugatti: 6200 is only like $50

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xris:

Bugatti: how fast is your cpu, though?

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Bugatti:

1.8ghz amd 64

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xris:

might be too slow

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Bugatti:

I haven't bought anything yet :)

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xris:

it's pushing it

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Bugatti:

would that cpu be OK with the 6600?

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xris:

not really any better/worse

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xris:

still need to decode the mpeg. xvmc works ok for hd, but it's still a fair amount of cpu use

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Bugatti:

maybe I should just wait on the whole HD thing, don't really need it

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xris:

generally, 2ghz is considered the minimum cpu speed for HD

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xris:

3 is better.

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Bugatti:

ouch

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xris:

mind you, that's "intel" speed

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laga:

so an athlon 64 running at 2ghz should be sufficient?

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Bugatti:

I'm sure the geforce 2 would be fine for standard tv, they're pretty well supported under linux, right?

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xris:

Bugatti: yes

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sapbeast:

laga: what is the rating on that

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xris:

but for a few $$ more a 6200 would be WAY better

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xris:

better tv out quality, etc

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sapbeast:

athlon 64 3000+ would likely play HD because of optimization and cache

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sapbeast:

which i guess is the 1.8ghz model?

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jk1joel:

Bugatti: have a look at the table at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC

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jk1joel:

if you get the 6600 (or 6200) you should be able to handle hd no problem

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Bugatti:

so many choices, it's driving me nuts

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laga:

sapbeast: 3200+ (512kb cache)

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Bugatti:

jk1joel: thanks for the linux

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Bugatti:

*link

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laga:

freudian slip, huh? ;)

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jk1joel:

np. there's an athlon 64 3200+ on the list, and it seems like it was able to play 720p at 51% cpu, and 1080i at 70% cpu without xvmc

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sapbeast:

laga: that would probably work, i cant test hd content (no tuner) but some downloadable streams ive tried work ok on my athlon xp 3200+

[17:54:02]

laga:

sapbeast: that's good news :)

[17:54:03]

sapbeast:

which is technically slower than an athlon 64 3200+

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laga:

not that i could afford one, though

[17:54:11]

sapbeast:

its *barely* fast enough

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jk1joel:

so you might be okay without the newer card, but if you want to have some extra headroom for anything else, the card would give you quite a bit cpu for other things

[17:55:11]

xris:

I can't do HD on my 2.4G p4... but it has a crappy built in video card (SiS pundit) with no hardware acceleration

[17:55:56]

Bugatti:

might as well go with the above msi card, pci-e plus many other features make it worth the extra $$

[17:56:04]

laga:

xris: the pundit's vga card sucks.. ;)

[17:56:20]

mlehrer:

sapbeast: what client are you using to play the media?

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enyc:

For mythtv-computer.... Infrared input on DVB card.... in drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88-input.c — seems that the IR codes for infrared input are detected at kernel-level and not LIRCD / conf at all!

[17:56:27]

enyc:

I have the problem that these TV cards now come with a different remote with incompatible codes ;-)

[17:56:28]

mlehrer:

vlc is much less efficient than mythtv

[17:56:32]

enyc:

How do I find email addresses for 'MODULE_AUTHOR("Gerd Knorr, Pavel Machek, Chris Pascoe");' so I can ask them what is best to do and howto help others with module trouble... or what should I do ;-) ?

[17:56:59]

laga:

enyc: you probably should google first. and i have no clue what your problem is, actually

[17:58:21]

xris:

laga: pundit's card has pretty good tv out. but zero acceleration

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sapbeast:

mlehrer: at the time it was VLC

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sapbeast:

which is likely all software decode (?) so a good cpu test

[17:58:44]

xris:

I often ponder installing an nvidia pci card for video just to get speed

[17:59:01]

laga:

xris: i don't like the tv-out much. my geforce 4 mx 440 is way better, IMHO.

[17:59:15]

xris:

laga: really? even the SiS pundit?

[17:59:17]

laga:

xris: heh. i've installed my second pvr 250 a few days ago so there's no more room ;)

[17:59:23]

laga:

xris: yes.

[17:59:34]

Bugatti:

does anyone have experience with this case? http://www.silentpcreview.com/article591-page2.html

[17:59:49]

laga:

xris: it's possible that it's not set up properly, but i tried stuff like not using any filtering etc etc do get a crisp pciture, but that only made it worse

[18:00:15]

xris:

my biggest issue lately is that it ALWAYS tries to interlace the video... I'd rather it not do that

[18:00:46]

sapbeast:

i always use bob deinterlacing so it looks more like real TV than filtering it

[18:01:30]

laga:

xris: once i've finished my vga2rgb converter, i'll have the über tv-out ;) at least i hope so, dunno if the sis chipset would support the modeline needed

[18:01:56]

laga:

sapbeast: bob doesn't work well there, imho. it's great with xvmc + openglsvync on an nvidia card, though

[18:02:18]

sapbeast:

i actually have xvmc turned off despite having a video card that can use it

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sapbeast:

the quality looks poor for me compared to software decode (bright whites have that zebra effect)

[18:04:00]

mlehrer:

sapbeast: mythvideo using Internal uses less cpu. i was quite surprised

[18:04:07]

laga:

works great for me, but YMMV ;)

[18:04:16]

mlehrer:

and yes, bob deinterlacing rocks

[18:04:44]

sapbeast:

yeah it must be more designed for modern cards

[18:04:47]

mlehrer:

one other thing that fried me – if your refresh rate is even a millihz less than 59.94, bob will disable itself

[18:04:59]

mlehrer:

in myth

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sapbeast:

geforce ti4600 is supported but also fairly old now

[18:05:31]

laga:

mlehrer: the fallback is quickdnr, right?

[18:05:37]

laga:

err, fsck.

[18:05:52]

laga:

whatchamacallit?

[18:06:01]

mlehrer:

no idea, but it was only 30 fps, looked awful

[18:06:12]

mlehrer:

probably discard

[18:07:16]

laga:

it's a deinterlacer that just displays every one field per frame, not two

[18:07:21]

laga:

i forgot the name, though

[18:07:45]

laga:

(and iirc, this didn't even work in xvmc. dunno. looks like it works in svn head, though)

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mlehrer:

that sounds discard-ish

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laga:

yeah, right ;)

[18:11:00]

** laga is rather tired **

[18:11:02]

mlehrer:

should just call it "ass"

[18:11:04]

laga:

so i'm not making sense ;)

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laga:

xris: BTw, what do you think about jochen's mp3act thingie for mythwebß

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xris:

laga: I don't like the idea of integrating another project into mythweb... more stuff for me to maintain. but if it could be done easily, I think the new modular architecture would let it at least happen

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xris:

only slightly OT: http://community.livejournal.com/pantsketch/99256.html

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laga:

xris: ah, ok. i've heard people saying good things about it, that's why i was wondering why it hasn't gone into svn head yet. thanks

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xris:

laga: mainly because it has a bunch of mythmusic patches to go in, and there is no mythmusic maintainer at the moment.

[18:23:12]

Juski:

yeh nobody wants a millstone ;-)

[18:23:15]

laga:

heh

[18:23:16]

Juski:

evening all

[18:25:18]

Juski:

laga: you seen Coume recently?

[18:25:48]

beavis:

xris: so you don't want to have any mm changes in mythweb until there's a new mm maintainer?

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xris:

beavis: I won't commit any changes to mythweb that require changes to mythmusic... once the mythmusic changes happen, I'll update mythweb

[18:26:33]

laga:

Juski: nope, not on irc

[18:26:47]

Juski:

it's gonna be a google summer of hellish coding for someone revamperising mythmusic

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Juski:

so many people want different things

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xris:

Juski: yup

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scopeuk:

so many gullable sufferers volunteer for soc

[18:31:05]

scopeuk:

myth music is prety sweet but it seams clunky when i use it

[18:31:17]

** xris curses google for continuing to make him do the image-text thing on its own automated reload of the google homepage. **

[18:31:20]

scopeuk:

maby its jsut becouse its intdexign several gb of music off two diferent remote systems

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** Juski goes food shopping :-/ **

[18:32:01]

laga:

at 7:30pm? good luck

[18:34:36]

scopeuk:

Juski taek your baseball batt you might make it home before midnight

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scopeuk:

3:30 am is about the swet spot around here

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xris:

scopeuk: it's unusable for me.. too slow

[18:35:23]

scopeuk:

it doesent feel too slow jsut clunky

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scopeuk:

maby im just tolerant becouse its runnign on crap hardware

[18:36:03]

** scopeuk needs to work on this typing thing **

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xris:

scopeuk: building playlists for me is essentially impossible. can sometimes take 15–20 seconds to navigate around in each pane.

[18:36:49]

scopeuk:

yeh thats a little slow

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laga:

i can't stand UI slowness

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laga:

it drives me crazy

[18:37:14]

xris:

I have a LOT of music files.. but it shouldn't be that slow. amarok and rhythmbox are both fine

[18:38:49]

mlehrer:

my music files are on nfs and i also have a lot of them. mythmusic is definitely too slow

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scopeuk:

im doing it via samba

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scopeuk:

media files are on windows

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scopeuk:

seams a onsensos

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scopeuk:

poor poor guilable fool

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nuxil:

is there support for dvd menus in myth? or will that come in a later version?

[18:44:05]

cesman:

later from my understanding

[18:44:12]

cesman:

it may already be in SVN...

[18:44:20]

laga:

hi cesman

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laga:

:)

[18:44:44]

cesman:

hello laga

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nuxil:

cesman K.. but i dont use that : got fc5's rpm's installed

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scopeuk:

nuxil then read later

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scopeuk:

eg probably much latter your rpms will get it

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nuxil:

yepp.. unless i install svn :P

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scopeuk:

gl

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cschrader:

nuxil you could just switch to using xine for your dvd playback

[18:46:17]

** scopeuk lacks luck with compiling stuff **

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nuxil:

cschrader yea i know.. i tryed that,, didnt like it mutch

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cschrader:

ahh

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nuxil:

cos i need to reconfigure lirc then :P

[18:46:46]

cschrader:

ah yeah true

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StevenL:

I have a quick question...In my ~/.mythtv/lircrc the Guide button has the config = F3

[19:08:48]

StevenL:

F3 doesn't do anything

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StevenL:

how do I set F3 to bring up the guide?

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StevenL:

Where is the config file for defining what the function keys do?

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mchou:

StevenL: there is no config file AFAIK it's in DB, iirc

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mchou:

you can also get to it from the front end, "Edit Keys" or ssome such

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StevenL:

Ok. I'll check that. Thank you.

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mchou:

sapbeast: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.a . . . 15&type= :)

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sapbeast:

i was almost excited until i read "ECS"

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sapbeast:

which might as well read "ASS"

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mchou:

sapbeast: bah. You missed my point

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sapbeast:

yeah but still you get what you pay for

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mchou:

sapbeast: retail proc and mobo for the same price as sata card :)

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jim_u:

I'm having a problem where my backend will jump up to like 7 for a load, and dmesg shows alot of ivtv1: program is not capturing fast enough (or along those lines) its frustrating because i could have 3 frontends watching tv fine, and then all of a sudden bam, that happens and all hell breaks loose. It's ruining my programs and I don't know how to fix it

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mchou:

jim_u: backend mobo?

[19:31:51]

jim_u:

mchou, a7n8x-e

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jim_u:

mchou, asus that is

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mchou:

jim_u: hehe

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jim_u:

why hehe?

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mchou:

guess it probably aint the mobo then

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jim_u:

well i wish i knew whats wsrong so i can fix it, my family is getting mad

[19:32:53]

jim_u:

and soon they're not going to want to use it

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mchou:

lol

[19:33:00]

jim_u:

which isn't so bad but i like being able to watch it out there

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mchou:

out where?

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jim_u:

is two pvr150's and one bttv card along with running a frontend too much to ask for from a 2500 with 1.5 gig ram?

[19:33:27]

jim_u:

mchou, the living room

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jim_u:

s/2500/2500+ amd/

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mchou:

jim_u: take out the bttv card and sub pvr150

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mchou:

should improve "issues"

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mlehrer:

a 2500+ should be fine if your disk can keep up

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jim_u:

i don't want to was another 60–70 bucks on another 150

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jim_u:

mlehrer, itsa a maxtor 200g 7200

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jim_u:

i was thinking that, would software raid between two identical 200 gig help alot?

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mchou:

when load avg is 7, that means some proggies are "stuck"

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mchou:

jim_u: you dont need raid for 3 simul. SD streams

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jim_u:

and i WISH i could find another way to do remotes, so i can get that computer out of my room

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jim_u:

alright

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jim_u:

so the plan

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jim_u:

hmm

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jim_u:

i'll see if the settings are correct for the hard drive

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jim_u:

and work on slimming things down ... again..

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jim_u:

maybe i'll get the frontend off of there

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mchou:

jim_u: you should check your logs first

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jim_u:

which logs?

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mchou:

see what's responsibe for load avg of 7

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jim_u:

the things off now, after the episode last night it died

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jim_u:

well the thing is i was watching top when it was in there and it didn't seem like anything was really killing it

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jim_u:

the hard drive thing is sounding like the culprit

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mchou:

it might be, but I doubt it

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jim_u:

now on average how many "sub processes" (i don't know the right termonology) do mythfrontend and mythbackend usually create? i mean it had like 20 of them

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mchou:

if your HDD going south you'd really KNOW

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jim_u:

well there is definatly a hard drive problem in there, bu ti thought it was the one that had my movies on it

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jim_u:

when i turned it on it was clicking

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mchou:

jim_u: another thing, turn off commercial flagging

[19:39:03]

jim_u:

mchou, why?

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jim_u:

it does that while it records?

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mchou:

jim_u: yup

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jim_u:

i have all jobs set to go from 12:01 am to 4 am

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jim_u:

oh

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jim_u:

i didn't know it did it as it records

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mchou:

and if you watch at same time, you know the drill

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jim_u:

and i wish i could reproduce the problem regularly

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jim_u:

i could record 3 things, and have all 3 frontends watching those recordings and it will be fine

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jim_u:

then randomly, recording 2 things, watching one of them it'll die like last night

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jim_u:

i'll be back

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jim_u:

thx for the advice

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TinheadNed:

is there some trick to getting pc games to turn up in mythgame? i'm putting them in a directory that my "pc game" player is looking in, and the perms are correct

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Traxtopel:

any pal users here with a pvr-500

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Juski:

pal pvr150 here if that's any use (well it works, so it's kinda useful to me anyway)

[20:41:49]

Juski:

more samsung tuner woes again?

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Traxtopel:

right

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Traxtopel:

any pointers

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Juski:

ivtv mailing list & stuff, as usual

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Juski:

they cant be too far off getting it fully working now

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Traxtopel:

,aybe

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Traxtopel:

I am using 0.62

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Juski:

never mind maybe

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Juski:

there's a lot of effort gone into ivtv & you can be sure they'll never give up

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Traxtopel:

they removed the tuner.h list from 0.62

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Traxtopel:

I understand its no longer necessary to specify it

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Traxtopel:

also a few other mod options

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Traxtopel:

erhh few mod options

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TinheadNed:

bye

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stuarta:

at least the BBC HD test mux is operating....

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Scopeuk_:

is it swet

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Scopeuk_:

there runnig nthe world cup on it arnt they?

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Traxtopel:

what I don't get its, if I do a ivtv-detect

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Traxtopel:

I see hardware as hardware: cx25840 tuner wm8775 tveeprom

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Traxtopel:

so it thinks the tuner is a wm8775

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sapbeast:

oh hell yeah... i did it

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Traxtopel:

they added support for the samsung in 0.4x but I do not see it in 0.6x

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tom7e:

i'm attempting to install per these instructions: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#capture

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tom7e:

but have 1 problem, not sure if it matters

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tom7e:

the instructions for ivtv-based cards says to do this: # yum install ivtv-firmware ivtv-firmware-audio, # yum install ivtv-kmdl-$KVER, and # yum install ivtv. The second and third commands works, but # yum install ivtv-kmdl-$KVER doesn't. does this matter?

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stuarta:

$KVER = kernel version, ie. put in the version of the kernel you are running

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tom7e:

ohh ok

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tom7e:

is there a command to tell you your kernel version?

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dtm:

tom7e: uname -a

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tom7e:

thanks

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tom7e:

still says no match

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tom7e:

yum install ivtv-kmdl-2.6.15–1.2054_FCsmp doesn't work

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mchou:

forget yup, compile from source

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mchou:

yum*

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tom7e:

ok

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HappyDude:

hello

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HappyDude:

I just switched my tuner device from tunrer 0 to tuner 1 due to an ivtv update and now myth is showing no recorded or upcoming

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HappyDude:

the recorded table is still populated

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HappyDude:

is there a fix for this sort of thing?

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HappyDude:

it is mysql 5

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HappyDude:

:(

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HappyDude:

error

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HappyDude:

MySQL server has gone away

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Juski:

HappyDude: you need mythtv-0.19-fixes dude

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Juski:

<=0.19 is good for mysql4 only

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JasonX:

Does xmame only output audio in mono out of 1 channel for old games? I can fix by creating a mono->stereo device in alsa BUT should I have to os is there some problem. Checked all settings read all xmame stuff?

[21:57:47]

HappyDude:

damn

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HappyDude:

I have problem with 0.19 playback

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HappyDude:

damn

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Juski:

JasonX: I think it'll depend on the game platform xmame is emulating

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Juski:

though I'd have thought mono would just come out of both channels

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JasonX:

its ok i just tried a diff alsa device. it seems to only give mono out of my dual analog/spdif device hmmmm

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JasonX:

it must see it asa 4 channel device so not create stereo from mono

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Achew22:

does anyone know what happens when you try to use mytharchive with .19-fixes?

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Juski:

Achew22: it won't work

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Achew22:

damn

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Juski:

needs a minimum revision of SVN to work

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Achew22:

I don't really want to upgrade...

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** Juski knows this because he reads the mailing lists **

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Juski:

so sit on your hands & wait!;-)

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Achew22:

hrm...

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Achew22:

is mythfrontend backwards compattible with a different version of the backend

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Juski:

nope

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Achew22:

why not?

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Juski:

because the developers put new features in that arent supported by older versions

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Juski:

and the fact that with every SVN revision, the DB schema is upgraded

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Achew22:

but wouldn't backwards compatability be usefull

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Juski:

less whiny users would be a better thing to have, in all probability

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Achew22:

juski: was that really necessary

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Juski:

it's practical not to have backwards compatability

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Juski:

the devs have enough on their hands as it is

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Juski:

Achew22: if the features you want are so important to you, learn to code so you can help. if not, be quiet like me & be happy you didn't have to pay $$$$ for mythtv

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Juski:

we can talk 'what if' scenarios til the cows come home, but at the end of the day we're in the (more than capable) hands of the developers

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Achew22:

juski, please remove the stick from your ass then resume your conversation. But as a testament as t

[22:10:07]

Achew22:

o how simple it is mythxbmc has backwards compatability

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Juski:

yes but xbmc isn't a powerful PVR app

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kormoc:

Achew22, so how would you handle the bug fixes? when the backend no longer does X because it was buggy and does Y, should it continue to do the buggy way to keep compatability?

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Juski:

the main reason that backwards compatability can't be maintained is because of mythtv's libraries. If someone codes a new feature which involves major changes to parts of the code – bang! it's all gone. And that's how developers manage to make leaps forward

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Achew22:

many programs maintain backwards compatibility

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kormoc:

Achew22, and many more do not

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Juski:

Achew22 – by stamping your foot like this it's not gonna change a damn thing. we get users coming here & demanding stuff all the time. they usually end up going elsewhere eventually. It's not like the devs don't care – oh wait yes it is... and that is _totally_ their right

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Achew22:

okay then, why doesn't the protocol send the data instead of going to the db?

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Juski:

that's just the way mythtv has been developed – code goes a certain way (which may or may not be 'right') and that's that until it gets rewritten

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Juski:

I figure it'll be well worth the wait. In the meantime there's always mythburn

[22:15:24]

Juski:

and nuv2disc

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Juski:

or nuvexport

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Achew22:

i thought mythburn didn't work with .19

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Juski:

it can be made to work

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Juski:

knoppmyth works with it

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Achew22:

is that .19?

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Juski:

so does mythdora

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Juski:

it needed some tweaks but it's working. you'd know that if you read the mailing lists & forums

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Juski:

I'm not doing this just to be condescending – but it pays to keep up to speed if you have an interest in what's coming

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Achew22:

I was discussing this last night (in an attempt to get up to date) and when I asked about that specificl

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Achew22:

y noone knew of it

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Juski:

I'm not a fan of the fact that people are looking to port mythtv to windows, but there's fuck all I can do about it

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mchou:

lol

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Achew22:

why are you opposed? isn't QT designed to be able to build on mac/possix/windows?

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Juski:

but hey as long as it doesn't affect how great mythtv is on Linux, to hell with it

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mchou:

JasonX: who is porting myth to windows?

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Achew22:

its on the list for the summer of code

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Juski:

I'm not opposed to it in principle- just not looking forward to all the stupid windows users' questions

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mchou:

Juski: I meant you :)

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mchou:

Juski: who is porting myth to windows?

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Juski:

it's not happening yet – and may not even happen... but it's a proposed project for the google summer of code

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mchou:

Juski: for real?

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Juski:

yup

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Achew22:

yeah

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Juski:

not just the frontend either

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mchou:

Juski: is there a list of the "proposed" projects?

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Juski:

mchou: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/SoC2006

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mchou:

Juski: thx

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Juski:

the frontend might not be so hard... it's the backend where the real work will be – directX stuff as opposed to V4L

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Achew22:

wait! what! they are porting the backend too!

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mchou:

Juski: I dont see windows on that page :)

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xris:

laga_: just picked myself up a pci fc5200... will see how well it works.

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mchou:

Juski: ok, I take that back

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Juski:

some very exciting stuff in prospect if anyone takes the mantle though ;-)

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mchou:

Juski: at least Isaac is the designated mentor on that portion....

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mchou:

Juski: which means it wont screw up (linux) myth too badly

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Juski:

yeah true- it would never end up some botched-up hash of code like another windows FE I could mention

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xris:

Juski: it's more a matter of "if google gives us enough slots"

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Juski:

also a matter of the quality of applicants, xris

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mchou:

Juski: does the list order have anything to do with order of importance/priority?

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xris:

oh, we have enough good applicants to fill all 11 slots we asked for

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Juski:

mchou: I honestly don't know. I doubt it

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Juski:

most of the projects would be nice to have done

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xris:

but we'll probably only get 2–6 slots

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xris:

projects aren't listed in any order, no

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Juski:

I was surprised when I heard about the SoC though – it's nice of Google to give out for a change

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mchou:

xris: so how does SoC work? Google funds the "salaries," is that pretty much it?

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xris:

students apply, we rank them, google tells us how many slots we get, we rerank applications, google helps rarrange things again, projects start and people get paid.

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mchou:

xris: ok

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xris:

we should hear how many slots we get later this week or early next week

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Achew22:

$5000 — 500 goes to project 500 at start 2000 half way through and 2000 at the end is how tehy are

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Achew22:

paid

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Juski:

$5000 – not bad for a summer job wage

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xris:

Juski: $4500.. $500 goes to the mentor at the end of the project.

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Achew22:

i thought it was the project?

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xris:

Achew22: either way

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Juski:

still not bad for a summer job wage ;)

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xris:

for mythtv, it's to the mentor

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xris:

google estimates about 700 slots total

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kormoc:

Juski, this is the second year of Sumer of Code as well, I think they are gonna try to make this a every year thing.

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mchou:

did myth particpate in SoC last year?

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xris:

no

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Achew22:

no

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xris:

ok.. 101 orgs, about 700 slots... lots of big orgs, though. BUT, it could mean that myth gets 4–6 slots.

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mchou:

I feel sorry for the Windows slot guy

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xris:

?

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mchou:

he'd spend all his time re-installing windows and debugging directshow

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Achew22:

Juski: I'm looking on the forums and I don't see any refrences to mythbrun in .19

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mchou:

not to mention there still is no real BDA support in Windows for QAM

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Juski:

isn't there? so how does MCE work with HD ?

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mchou:

Juski: lol

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Juski:

Achew22: try the mailing lists?

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Achew22:

okay

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Juski:

mchou: I know – funny... it's prolly built into mce itself

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mchou:

Juski: it only works with OTA

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Juski:

as for it working... hahaha

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mchou:

Juski: or 8vsb

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Juski:

mce supports as many as ummm four tuners don't you know

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mchou:

not QAM

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Juski:

pity you can't mix analogue & digital...

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mchou:

Juski: yeah, that's another sick joke

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Achew22:

Juski: the reason I quit subscribing to myth mailing list is because I was getting an obsene ammount

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Achew22:

of email

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mchou:

You must have 1 analog encoder with MCE

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mchou:

that's a REQUIREMENT

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Juski:

my favourite sick joke is the one where rollout 2 has a feature to schedule a restart of the MCE backend so you no longer need to reboot

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Juski:

Achew22: I don't subscribe to anything but the -dev list – you can get everything else from the archives

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** xris is on ALL of the lists **

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xris:

I don't really read any of them, though

[22:38:24]

Achew22:

we are all aware of your insane involvement in the project

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xris:

heh

[22:38:59]

xris:

hey, I used to subscribe to the mysql and apache mailing lists... THAT is insane.

[22:39:27]

Achew22:

did you ever post on them?

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Juski:

I think its sad the v4l list doesn't have any spam filtering though.. (or at least they never used to)

[22:40:15]

mchou:

I wonder if Isaac mentioned windows due to DRM and CableCARD......

[22:40:15]

xris:

Achew22: to mysql a few times

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xris:

I don't remember about apache

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xris:

this is a long time ago, too..

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Achew22:

I don't think I would ever subject my isp to signing up to that

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mchou:

not like linux is going to be certified soon by CableLabs

[22:41:34]

** kormoc ponders how long it would take to fill up a gmail account on the apache/mysql/linux-kernel/mythtv-users lists. **

[22:41:52]

mchou:

kormoc: never

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xris:

kormoc: considering that gmail's block size is 20k, not long

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Juski:

why the hell can't we just have DRM in Linux? I mean yeah sure keep stuff that should be open, open.. but when we're dealing with America Inc., we've got to give a little

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mchou:

Juski: lol

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Juski:

we're never gonna win – and whats the alternative? do without? yeah thats gonna smite em good

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kormoc:

xris, it's still 139,367 emails (at 20 kb a pop)

[22:43:22]

xris:

heh

[22:43:28]

xris:

ok, so that would take awhile

[22:43:52]

xris:

Juski: we'll have drm in linux.. it's just that it'll be hacked up illegal decoders like we have for css now.

[22:43:55]

mchou:

Juski: how about Canada? http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/08/canadian_govt_requir.html

[22:44:05]

Juski:

there's still no _legal_ way to play commercial DVDs in linux. I'd happily pay $0.20 or whatever for the css licence

[22:44:22]

Achew22:

juski: someone on the forums said that the latest CVS worked with .19 can you confirm that?

[22:44:51]

Juski:

Achew22: I got it to install – and it gets as far as making mjpegtools segfault (which it does with or without mythburn's help)

[22:44:59]

mchou:

xris: but linux (PC) pvrs wont ever get cableLABS certification

[22:45:16]

Achew22:

juski: i wont hold my breath in that case

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xris:

Juski: you're wrong there... you can get a legal player for linux.. linspire uses it.

[22:45:28]

Juski:

and I can't be arsed to debug it

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mchou:

xris: which means in US even hacked up version are DMCA

[22:45:47]

xris:

mchou: according to what I've read of that law, *no* pc will ever get certification

[22:45:51]

Juski:

xris: so hooray for linspire then

[22:46:01]

xris:

er, no pc that the consumer could open up and expand

[22:46:06]

mchou:

xris: no, that's not quite true

[22:46:09]

xris:

Juski: I think it's made by nero

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mchou:

xris: MCE wouldnt be building it if that were true

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xris:

mchou: I think MS intends to push things into a more compatible regulation.

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Juski:

MS have a lot at stake – they're going to be making sure it'll work on PCs I reckon

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mchou:

unless MCE is "embedded" :)

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Juski:

then along comes 'trusted computing'

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xris:

last I read it, it would be fine fore dell, et. al. to build and sell MCE machines as a pre-packaged system, but there would be no way to buy a tuner card and MCE separately

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mchou:

xris: yes, that is indeed true

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mchou:

xris: but evem MPAA cant prevent ppl from reselling used equipment

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xris:

so yes. dmca violations all around for cablecard-using mythtv people

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mchou:

even*

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Achew22:

xris i thought dmca allowd reverse engineering for backwards compatibility

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mchou:

i.e. CableCARD PC tuners

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Juski:

I see this as all going one of two ways – either they lock everything down & manage to defeat OSS, or it all gets blown wide open & made fair. I can't see the latter happenning

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Achew22:

or forwards compatibility

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mchou:

Noboby can prevent sale of used PC tuners

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mchou:

even if they have CableCARD

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xris:

Achew22: sort of... in practice that's not necessarily true

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mchou:

I've yet to see how they gonna regulate that......

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mchou:

they can impose artificial scarcity but they cant get rid of it altogether

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mchou:

even with EULAS

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Juski:

true... you could even take Hauppauge stuff as an example. Those conexant mpeg encoders are locked in a pretty tight NDA but the ivtv guys managed to get a foothold

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xris:

Juski: yup. was a PITA even with help from the hauppauge dev team

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mchou:

bah, reverse engineering is not really a comparison

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Juski:

and so much for the 'uncrackable' game console that has recently been beaten

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mchou:

there are some similarities, but the analogy only goes so far

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sapbeast:

oh noes, legal argument

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mchou:

anyways. I really wonder if that's behind Isaac's windows port :)

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Juski:

well I don't think he's in this for the glory or infamy somehow – obviously I can only say that from what I know (which isn't much)

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mchou:

Juski: hmm?? who said anything about glory?

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Achew22:

does anyone know what projectx is?

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kormoc:

the google knows

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Juski:

projectx is a java application designed to operate on mpeg streams

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** kormoc covers his face with a cloak and walks into the night **

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** kormoc cues the old school music **

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Achew22:

kormoc: projectx returns many man many results

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Juski:

mythburn uses it to remultiplex mythtv's mpeg files so that when they're cut the audio & video stay in sync

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Achew22:

hrm...

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Achew22:

juski what distro do you use?

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Juski:

Gentoo

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Achew22:

nevermind then

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kormoc:

Achew22, that's why you add in other terms, to whittle it down to a useable set :)

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Juski:

getting the Sun JRE on the box was the hardest part – and getting it working

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Achew22:

its hard to do when you know nothing about it other than that mythburn needs it

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Juski:

then mjpegtools went & pissed me about

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mchou:

you guys seen this? http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/09/bmw_vision_system_us.html

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mchou:

sorry, wrong link

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Juski:

I spent more hours playing trying to get mythburn working than I did getting myth working in the first place :-/

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kormoc:

Achew22, "projectx linux" has the 4th match "ProjectX reference" which would likely explain it a bit more

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mchou:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMH0bHeiRNg&am . . . kottke%2Eorg

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mchou:

hilarious

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Juski:

thermal imaging... looks more to me like IR lamps & cameras sensitive to IR

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mchou:

Juski: first link is wrong

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Achew22:

does it have sound?

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mchou:

look at the 2nd link

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mchou:

Achew22: yeah, turn volume down

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Achew22:

I'm getting no sound — which scares me

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mchou:

unless you want all your office mates surprised

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Juski:

watched a funny vid of tom cruise 'killing' oprah today

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sapbeast:

thats been beaten to death on ytmnd

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Juski:

now, a plugin to get this stuff into 'media' in mythtv....

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Juski:

top 20 most 'funny' or 'popular' or something...

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sapbeast:

man im just happy i got 2 problems killed in one day

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Juski:

that reminds me – it's aaages since I caught up with Strongbad

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sapbeast:

he still exists?

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Juski:

oh yay

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mythic:

hi, I just bought a usb-uirt and was trying to install it. I was going to go bach to 0.7.1 from 0.8 since I saw there is a patch on the mythtv.org site, but the patch link is dead. Does anyone know anything about this?

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xris:

0.7.1 of what?

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mythic:

sorry, lirc

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scottder:

I have an AVI with ac3 5.1 for sound....is there a way to get xine to just pass this through?

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JasonX:

yer

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JasonX:

in settings

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JasonX:

audio.output.speaker_arrangement:Pass Through

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JasonX:

u can eother edit that line in .xine.config or do it in the settings, though u may have to set it to beginner level on first tab or option may not appear

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scottder:

Ok, thanks :)

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JasonX:

thats .xine/config ooops

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JasonX:

wherever that is on your system

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SirPageno:

howdy folks...just installed a PVR-350, and now my mythfrontend stops running when watching Live TV at a program change

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xris:

SirPageno: mythfrontend -v all

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SirPageno:

yeah, that prints a whole lot of info...

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briand:

exactly.

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kormoc:

SirPageno, well, that info is gonna say what's going wrong

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SirPageno:

NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times

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SirPageno:

getting a bunch of those

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Juski:

does it say 'please upgrade to 0.19-fixes to fix this problem' ? cos that's what'd fix it, or so I've heard

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SirPageno:

hmmm.no doesn't say that, but I am running 0.19

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briand:

evening, Juski

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SirPageno:

(is that the same as 19-fixes?

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Juski:

evening briand

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kormoc:

SirPageno, (no, it's not)

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Juski:

hmmm does it _look_ like it's the same thing?

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scottder:

Thanks JasonX ...added that setting will see how it works when I get home

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Juski:

;-)

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ShockValue:

ugh.. samba is sl0w

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SirPageno:

ok, now for the really stupid question, where do I get this 0.19-fixes?

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Juski:

if you don't need to share with lame OSs, just use NFS

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ShockValue:

I do need to share with lame OSs :/

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briand:

Juski: some of the lame OSs also have NFS support available. ;)

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Juski:

SirPageno: some packagers are using 0.19-fixes as their default 0.19 'release' already

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Juski:

briand: I would never call OSX lame

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briand:

nor I

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SirPageno:

ug... I always install from source...

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Juski:

SirPageno: that's good

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SirPageno:

it's more painful that way

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Juski:

see http://svn.mythtv.org

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briand:

but there is one produced [sic] in Redmond, WA that'll handle NFS with some third party software.

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SirPageno:

thanks

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Juski:

3rd party (not free) software, and it only does read-only as I recall

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briand:

most anything on that platform is not free...

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ShockValue:

wow, where do i sign up for that?!

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Juski:

actually there's some kind of NFS tool for that platform I think...

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briand:

I dunno.. i don't bother with it

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briand:

that machine mostly fetches email.

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kormoc:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324055/en-us

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Juski:

anyway what's so slow about Samba? works okay here

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ShockValue:

i love that they put that in the context of "dumping unix and using microsoft"

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Juski:

why else would you need to mount an nfs share? :-/

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ShockValue:

i dunno, it takes 3x as long to copy files to it since ive switched it from win2k3 to linux

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Juski:

"stop being so open-minded already.. join us"

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

no sane person would use ms nfs implementation

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ShockValue:

unfortunatly, 3x as long with 500G of data to move is painfull :)

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SirPageno:

im my experience, using samba between 2 linux machines is "somehow" faster than using it between linux and win

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mchou:

SirPageno: that's cause of "sendfile"

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mchou:

:)

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ShockValue:

bbl

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briand:

mchou: no sane person would use an ms implementation of anything. they have a long-standing tradition of bastardizing and corrupting every established "standard" they touch.

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mythic:

xris: Thanks for trying to help. I guess I'll have to look elsewhere. ;)

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mchou:

briand: now you're just being dogmatic :)

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briand:

netbios,html,xml, etc, etc... the list goes on.

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briand:

mchou: me? dogmatic??? surely, you jest...

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Juski:

bah I just found something for ShockValue

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Juski:

ach well

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briand:

html specification states any non-terminated tag is to be -ignored- ... if MS doesn't find a </table>, they'll assume one and render it anyway.

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Mattwj2005:

I got a firewire port on my cable box! :D

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Juski:

.. and the rest

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: so?

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Juski:

just cos you have the port, it doesn't mean it's enabled

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mchou:

Juski: in US they have to be by law

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Mattwj2005:

can I use that for picking up video?

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briand:

the only netbios call that MSs netware client supports is the call to determine capabilities. MS returns "supports all", and ignores all other netbios calls.

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briand:

etc, etc.. i could go on, but what's the point? ;)

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Juski:

mchou: yeh I've read that... but it doesn't mean that all cable companies tow the line at first

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Mattwj2005:

what in the minimum system requirement for that

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Mattwj2005:

assuming it is active

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mchou:

Juski: no, but it gives Mattwj2005 ground to demand it if they arent enabled

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: would you be so excited if you didn't know, deep down about the possibility of being able to dump video streams directly into mythtv from your cable box? ;-)

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: all you need is a firewire card and a working firewire stack

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Mattwj2005:

yeah that would be freck'n sweet!

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briand:

live the dream.

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Mattwj2005:

I have a lowend system though

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Juski:

'all' you need.. yep.. that's 'all'..

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Mattwj2005:

1.3 Ghz

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Juski:

you'll certainly be able to capture HD.. playing it might be something else

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: that's enough to dump/recieve, not enough to watch

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

are you serious?

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Mattwj2005:

:P

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mchou:

yup

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Juski:

I don't think 1.3Ghz is enough even with XvMC

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Juski:

not for HD anyway

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Mattwj2005:

dude that is messed up

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mchou:

1.3 can hardly play dvd :)

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Mattwj2005:

what about standard?

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Juski:

SD will be fine

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: forget it

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mchou:

it aint even gonna handle SD

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Juski:

my 800Mhz box copes with mpeg2 SDTV just fine, but the OSD stuff is a little sluggish

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Mattwj2005:

what makes you say that mchou?

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mchou:

Juski: what's your SD rez?

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Juski:

and my 1ghz epia frontend uses about 15% CPU playing 720x576 mpeg2 with via Xvmc – about 60% without it

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Juski:

mchou: 720x576i

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Juski:

folks have had SDTV playing on 500Mhz boxen at 720x576 with XvMC

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Juski:

I couldn't live with _that_ though

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briand:

;-)

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Mattwj2005:

lol :P

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mchou:

Juski: 576i aint US SD

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Juski:

well – no more than I could live with using a pvr350 card anyway

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Juski:

US SD is what.. 720x480?

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mchou:

it's not even SD standard in US

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mchou:

480p

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