Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, May 9th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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bird603568:

you mean the one with books an microphishe?

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bird603568:

i have yet to find mythbuster there

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bird603568:

of couse its freaking huge

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mchou:

no, libraries with dvds

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mchou:

bird603568: if all you want is watch analog you dont need much cpu

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bird603568:

i know

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bird603568:

i can alway upgrade

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bird603568:

always

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mchou:

bird603568: where do you plan on keeping computer?

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bird603568:

under my bed

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

forget that idea

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bird603568:

why?

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mchou:

cause the comp will keep you awake

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bird603568:

how so?

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mchou:

unless you are a very heavy sleeper

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bird603568:

i sleep with my laptop 10" from my face

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bird603568:

and it has a cooling pad

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mchou:

laptop dont make as much noise as desktop

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bird603568:

so

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Ryushin:

mchou: I have the settings now...

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mchou:

bird603568: you have lappy?

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bird603568:

yep

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bird603568:

need to get it fixed

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mchou:

is it a "modern" lappy?

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bird603568:

my roommate broke the screen

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bird603568:

yes

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mchou:

bird603568: what cpu?

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bird603568:

m770 with 2 gigs of ram and a 6600TE

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mchou:

wtf is a m770?

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bird603568:

pentium moble 770

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

2 gigs of ram??

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bird603568:

ya

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mchou:

wtf for?

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bird603568:

why not?

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mchou:

Ryushin: gimme :)

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bird603568:

i didnt pay for it

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bird603568:

it was my get the fuck out of my house present

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mchou:

Ryushin: I have similar, so that not issue

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Ryushin:

Do you have another video card you can try then? A non nvidia card?

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mchou:

I probably did have --arch=k8, though.....

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mchou:

Ryushin: nah, not really

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bird603568:

why are you -O3 ing it?

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mchou:

I mean I probably id not hace arch=k8

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mchou:

di not have*

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mchou:

did*

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mchou:

Ryushin: I'm ok with just using xine for playback

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Ryushin:

Well, it can't hurt to try those exact settings. I'm telling you, it was those that made libmpeg2 a possibility.

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mchou:

takes much less resources

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bird603568:

no Os takes less

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bird603568:

O3 1/2 of the time are larger than O2

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bird603568:

O3 just makes faster instructions

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mchou:

bird603568: that what we want for myth :)

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Ryushin:

Well, the 03 was a suggestion from Daniel who is doing a lot of the HD3000 and HD development.

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mchou:

especially if HDTV decode is cpubound

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bird603568:

well if you have large cache i would recomment Os

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bird603568:

O3 also can be unstable at times

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mchou:

bird603568: you have a compute center on campus?

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bird603568:

what do you mean by computer center?

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bird603568:

we have everything

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mchou:

bird603568: like do they get rid of old machines for cheap?

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bird603568:

no

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mchou:

or better yet, free?

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bird603568:

they donate them

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bird603568:

i had a 933mhz but it took a crap on me

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bird603568:

and it had a dell mobo and psu

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mchou:

those actually werent too bad

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bird603568:

coppermins rocked

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mchou:

what happened?

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bird603568:

the pci bus got fuxed

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mchou:

huh??

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bird603568:

wont recconise any pci cards

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mchou:

lol

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bird603568:

it was old

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mchou:

pci bridge went south. eh?

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bird603568:

thats what im assuming

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bird603568:

and i would need to upgrade the mobo and psu

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mchou:

not often that happens

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bird603568:

its a shitty dell mobo

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mchou:

no, PSU by that time were standard ATX from dell

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bird603568:

no they arent

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kazan:

grr

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bird603568:

want to see the psu

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bird603568:

ill take a pic of it

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kazan:

i got the second copy of lirc_serial compiled.. but i cannot send signals to myself :/

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mchou:

bird603568: sure

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bird603568:

youll see the blue/white stripe

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mchou:

bird603568: you take laptop to class generally?

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bird603568:

depends

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mchou:

if not just use laptop for myth.

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mchou:

get a usb tuner

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mchou:

maybe a usb HDD

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mchou:

end of story

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mchou:

you just have to remember to hook up :)

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bird603568:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/rlr5018/psu.JPG

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bird603568:

its a shitty picture

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mchou:

lol, I cant see shit in that pic

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bird603568:

you can see the blue wires cant you?

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mchou:

no. they are black/brown

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bird603568:

the ones on the left?

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bird603568:

nearest the modem

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mchou:

lol, I cant even make out a modem

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bird603568:

lol you know your wrong

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mchou:

nope, black browm

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mchou:

I see what look like modem plugs on top of pic

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bird603568:

are you looking at the long plug or short

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mchou:

then I dont see jack for wire color

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mchou:

looks like the atx aux connector to me

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bird603568:

and there blue

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bird603568:

thus a dell

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bird603568:

and 6 wires

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bird603568:

have you even seen an atx psu? the aux is yellow black black red

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bird603568:

and you can clearly see no red or black in the aux plug

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mchou:

bird603568: lol, I only have like 6 in front of me

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bird603568:

ok then you know that that one i showed you is not an atx

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kazan:

grrr

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kazan:

bloody hell

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kazan:

why won't this fucking thing send

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SlicerDicer-:

cause its a thing!

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SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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mchou:

SlicerDicer: hey, can you help me :)

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kazan:

dammit

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kazan:

my irblaster won't send

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kazan:

WHY

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: msg me

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roz:

is there anyway _not_ to have mythTV disable DPMS?

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Phantom1000:

kazan: Are you sure it's not sending? I went thru hell and back thinking the blaster wasn't sending. Finally, looked at it through a digital camera viewfinder only to find it was sending.

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kazan:

i was sending my own remote codes back to my receiver and getting nothing

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kazan:

IE i copied the receiver's lircd.conf to lircd1.conf

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kazan:

(i'm running two serial devices – with two different copies of lirc_serial)

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** kazan gets out his digital camera **

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kazan:

nothing intersting showing up on my digital camera

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Phantom1000:

I assume you're doing it in a darkened room, holding the the transmitter near the camera lens. Is that correct?

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Phantom1000:

If the transmitter is working you should see a flashing grey blob where the transmitter is.

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kazan:

not dark

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kazan:

grey... ok

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kazan:

i'll look again

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: you get my pm?

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kazan:

getting nothing out of it phantom

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kazan:

it's an irblaster.info one

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kazan:

it's my second serial device so i compiled a copy of lirc_serial named lirc_serialtwo on char major 62

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Phantom1000:

Just thought of something, you need to be sending a command to the transmitter while you are looking at it. Is that what you were doing?

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Phantom1000:

What's on the first device

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kazan:

yes i was sending it

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kazan:

my lirc_Serial receiver

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kazan:

i has issued a send_start

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Phantom1000:

We've reached the limit of my knowledge. I wish I could help more.

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kazan:

hmm

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kazan:

i think my dev may be on the wrong char major

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kazan:

crw-rw-rw- 1 mythtv root 61, 0 May 8 18:44 /dev/lirc0

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kazan:

crw-rw-rw- 1 mythtv root 61, 1 May 8 18:59 /dev/lirc1

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jeff-:

hello. i recently upgraded with 'auto upgrade' in knoppmyth. i know mythtv works fine as i could see it on my monitor and also ssh into the box. i need to get the display through my pvr-350 (hauppauge). i had ivtv installed before and working fine. i think it might be an xf86config problem since my tv can display television, but not the mythtv menus. any help is appreciated

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kazan:

ivtv display shouldn't be used

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kazan:

the tv out on a pvr350 is just.... crappy

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jeff-:

the only reason why i bring that up is because i had it working fine before. do you think it is an xf86config problem then? or maybe a resolution problem?

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jeff-:

nah man – it was nice before. so maybe its bad but not by my standards :)

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kazan:

probably a driver problem

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kazan:

it's not really supported anymore

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jeff-:

pvr-350?

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kazan:

it's video out

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kazan:

it's tuner is still fully supported

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kazan:

but the xserver driver for output really isn't supported anymore

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jeff-:

ahhh

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kazan:

xris help me!

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jeff-:

it's kinda funny how i can get "television" to display on the tv and utilize the mythtv functions, but i can't get the mythtv menus to work. that's why i think i have a shot if i configure it right

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** kazan is having lirc problems like a motherfucka **

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kazan:

trying to get two serial devices working – tried compiling a second copy of lirc_serial (lirc_serialtwo) on a different char major (62) as the documentation makes reference to

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kazan:

but it didn't work

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kazan:

and I cannot find anything on it in their mailing list contrary to their claims

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xris:

kazan: I don't know anything about lirc

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|rt|:

hey guys I believe my recording database has gotten screwed up

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xris:

|rt|: more details...

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|rt|:

what are my options for either getting it back in order or remvoing things

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|rt|:

xris...well my mythtv box stopped recording things and seems to be having problems running housekeeping threads (removing recordings)

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|rt|:

I think it's due to something being off in the database...either recordings that no longer have a file there or something else

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xris:

|rt|: contrib directory: myth_optimizedb.pl

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xris:

er, optimize_mythdb.pl

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jeff-:

hey xris – after you are done helping rt, could you possibly field my question? if not, no problemo

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jeff-:

hello. i recently upgraded with 'auto upgrade' in knoppmyth. i know mythtv works fine as i could see it on my monitor and also ssh into the box. i need to get the display through my pvr-350 (hauppauge). i had ivtv installed before and working fine. i think it might be an xf86config problem since my tv can display television, but not the mythtv menus.

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|rt|:

xris: ok that's running now

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|rt|:

finished....should that get everything back in sync?

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xris:

jeff-: that's something to do with the pvr-350 video-out driver.. I don't know anything about that, though. there *are* a few people here who use them,though.

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xris:

|rt|: that runs "repair table" in mysql... might help

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jeff-:

ok

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xris:

afk, need to catch the rest of the daylight and pull some weeds.

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jeff-:

thanks for the lead – take care

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|rt|:

ok it looks like mythtv is looking for /mnt/video/recordings/####.mpg rather than .nuv

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|rt|:

any recent change that could explain that?

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opello:

.19?

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opello:

if you just upgraded, you'll probably have to rename your old recordings? not sure though

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|rt|:

opello: it may just be the .png's that mythweb is looking for

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|rt|:

they are pretty old recordings though

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|rt|:

I did upgrade from .18 to .19

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|rt|:

would I need to possibly make any changes to the db?

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|rt|:

I don't care about any of these recordings...maybe it's just easier to delete them all and remove them from the db

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** kazan screams **

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kazan:

how the fark do you find out why modprobe is giving you invalid module format

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kazan:

modinfo and uname -a look fine

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kazan:

i only have one copy of kernel devel installed

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kazan:

and it's only giving me it on one of the two modules

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opello:

i thought the filenames were always derived, not specifically stored

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opello:

so i would think simply renaming the files would fix it – but the names changed too (i think there's a hyphen now)

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kazan:

hmm?

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|rt|:

opello: is there any document on the web that outlines what needs to be done to update from .18 to .19?

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opello:

not that i know – i'm still on .18 :/

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opello:

if you can see the filename it's looking for, i could probably write something quick to rename them :) unless that's not the issue

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|rt|:

yeah i'll investigate upgrade issues and see if I can find any more info

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kazan:

anyway to send serial IR signals _Without_ lirc

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nero__:

kazan- not that I know of, why?

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kazan:

because i am trying to get two serial devices working at once

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kazan:

and it just doesn't want to do it

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kazan:

even with a second copy of lirc_serial compiled as lirc_serial2

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mchou:

kazan: man, stop whining

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kazan:

it creates the char devices – 61–0 (com1, receiver, working) and 61–1 (com2, transmitter, not working)

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kazan:

mchoud STFU

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kazan:

i'm trying to figure out the issue

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kazan:

nero__ asked why i was asking [21:07] <kazan> anyway to send serial IR signals _Without_ lirc

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kazan:

so i was explaining what was going on

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mchou:

kazan: you dont figure it out by whining

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kazan:

i wasn't whining you jackass

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nero__:

kazan- why not do a combined receiver transmitter on one circuit??

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** kazan simply ignores mchou **

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mchou:

[18:55:58] <kazan> how the fark do you find out why modprobe is giving you invalid module format

[02:18:59]

mchou:

wtf was that?

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kazan:

nero__: because i don't have one and i didn't notice the single sentance in the docs that mentions lirc_serial right now doesn't support multiple devices without a second copy compiled

[02:19:50]

kazan:

i've got two copies loaded

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kazan:

opennig a query to paste lines

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nero__:

umm.. then how I am running a receiver/transmitter on one copy? Just go down to the local radio shack.. takes about 10 minutes to build the circuit and costs about $5.00 in parts.

[02:21:07]

nero__:

kazan- please dont msg me a ton of stuff without asking.

[02:21:17]

|rt|:

hmm I renamed all those .nvu.png files ...It appears as though my database still has some entries in it that no longer have .nuv files for

[02:21:26]

|rt|:

any tricks to cleaning up the database?

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kazan:

nero__: a transceiver works – but two serial devices aren't supposed to – if you have a gpio device and a serial device you're good

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kazan:

http://lirc.org/html/configure.html#multiple has the sentance i'm refering to

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** kazan has receiver on 3F8/irq4 and 2F8/irq3 **

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kazan:

transmitter on 2F8/irq3

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nero__:

shrug.. I have both my transmitter and receiver on one board, connected through one serial port. When I compiled lirc, in the config I selected a "transmitter/receiver" serial device.

[02:24:40]

nero__:

it is a single device that does both..

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kazan:

mine are two devices

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kazan:

because at first i wasn't going to slave my cable box

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nero__:

I know..

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nero__:

but I cant help you..

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kazan:

hmm... i could theorectically resolder the transmitter parts onto my receiver? :P

[02:25:29]

nero__:

the suggestion I was making is to build the simple circuit.. takes 10 minutes.. even a monkey could do it..

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** kazan bought an irblaster.info transmitter **

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nero__:

Not sure.

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** kazan cracks it open **

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kazan:

i think i can resolder this

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Varanger:

hello

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Varanger:

Which is better? 1080p or 1080i ???

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kazan:

1080p

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Varanger:

kazan: 1080p? 60 fps.... and 1080i? 30 fps

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kazan:

1080p60

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kazan:

1080i is 60fps half frames (for 30 fps)

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Varanger:

a normal DVD are?

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kazan:

720p i believe

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Varanger:

kazan: 60 fps or 30 fps? (for NTSC)

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kazan:

30fps for ntsc

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kazan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTSC

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Bugatti:

can you guys recommend a good, fairly small case for a mythbox? This would be a front and backend system

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Varanger:

I want to buy a USB receiver for my mythbox

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Varanger:

do you know where I can buy one??

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kazan:

woot nero__ i think i got it all soldered onto one unit

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|rt|:

DVD's are 480p

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Varanger:

|rt|: 480p.... "p" means 60 fps??

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|rt|:

no

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|rt|:

means progressive

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kazan:

meh

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kazan:

not transmitting on the same :/

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|rt|:

only some dvd's support progressive though

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|rt|:

er dvd players

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|rt|:

I believe you have to be using component for a signal of that bandwidth

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Varanger:

regular dvd player (without progressive scan) are 480i ??

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|rt|:

Varanger: yes they interlace the signal

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Varanger:

then, "i" means that it has 30 fps (like regular NTSC) and "p" (for progressive) means it have 60 fps even for NTSC TV's

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|rt|:

the signal is a bit more complex than that

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|rt|:

NTSC is 29.97i

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|rt|:

it's 59.94 fields per second

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Varanger:

|rt|: 29.97i means it has 59.94 fields per second??

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|rt|:

each field has half the line resolution...but more temporal data

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opello:

more temporal data?

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|rt|:

yeah each feild is at a different time in most cases

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|rt|:

so you essentially have 59.97fps of temporal data

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|rt|:

but only have the resolution

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** kazan sighs **

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opello:

interesting

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|rt|:

progressive trades resolution for less temporal data b/c your brain doesn't need that much temporal data to perceive motion

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BumbaCLot:

ive been using analog cable successfully for 3 months, and just switched to directv

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|rt|:

the reason that broadcast images are interlaced has to do with fcc regulations on bandwidth on a given signal

[03:00:14]

BumbaCLot:

however I can't get any output on my screen now

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purplefrog:

What tool should I read up on if I want to re-encode MPEG video to a lower bit rate?

[03:00:37]

opello:

transcode?

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BumbaCLot:

can anyone give me an idea on how I can get output now? i have the coax in, but i don't get any signal now

[03:02:22]

BumbaCLot:

or, what are the differences in satelite vs cable, like i dont need it to find frequnecies, just find the line in, like channel 3

[03:03:50]

Bugatti:

can you guys recommend a good, fairly small case for a mythbox? This would be a front and backend system amd based

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BumbaCLot:

which card do you plan on using

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Bugatti:

not sure yet, 250 or 500

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BumbaCLot:

500 is just like 2 150s together right?

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opello:

yeah

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Bugatti:

yeah

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opello:

i'm quite happy with my 500

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BumbaCLot:

so does anyone here use directv

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BumbaCLot:

cuz this sucks

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Bugatti:

doing all my research now, so if you have any ideas let me know

[03:06:30]

BumbaCLot:

i have a 150

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BumbaCLot:

and it rules

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Bugatti:

how was it to install? Does it have the samsung chip?

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BumbaCLot:

but i can't do two things at once

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BumbaCLot:

imusing ivtv drivers

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Bugatti:

I've got cable, so I can't help

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opello:

Bugatti: opello.org/mythtv.php is pretty much my setup (upped ram, other than that... maybe some stale info there)

[03:07:10]

BumbaCLot:

can't remember jackshit about getting it to work, it was 3 months ago, 2 sick days at work

[03:07:38]

|rt|:

what's the mysql syntax to drop a row?

[03:08:02]

BumbaCLot:

the worst thing about mythtv is by far the lack of docs online

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BumbaCLot:

im about to just use it for the schedule only and not the pvr

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BumbaCLot:

lol

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Bugatti:

you should setup a local wiki for your own docs

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opello:

|rt|: delete from <table> where <conditions to match row>

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|rt|:

thanks opello

[03:09:01]

BumbaCLot:

<--- lazy as hell when it comes to webservers

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BumbaCLot:

the only use i have for linux right now is my myth setup

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BumbaCLot:

if there was a decent windows frontend i would use it

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Bugatti:

opello: is that one of the more popular myth cases?

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opello:

it seemed to be when i was making mine

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Bugatti:

does it come with a PS?

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opello:

has to be modded a bit to fit the pvr-500 though

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opello:

yeah

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Bugatti:

ah, interesting

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BumbaCLot:

hmm

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opello:

i took pictures of what i cut off

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BumbaCLot:

have to redo the backend

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BumbaCLot:

the only thing i didn't do yet :)

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opello:

heh

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Bugatti:

if you've been working on it for along time take a break, I know If I work for too long on one thing it just gets worse :)

[03:17:26]

opello:

oh yeah – it's pretty much production now – going to upgrade to 0.19 sometime i think

[03:17:38]

opello:

anda bigger drive

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Bugatti:

what distro are you running?

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opello:

gentoo

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Bugatti:

can't get myself to try that yet

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BumbaCLot:

hmm this says mythbackend GUI? anyone know the file to run that?

[03:19:06]

BumbaCLot:

is that just mythsetup?

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Bugatti:

mythsetup is for setting up the backend, and it's gui so I guess that would be it

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Bugatti:

anybody using this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856101468

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xris:

Bugatti: I've used similar ones

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Bugatti:

how did they work out?

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Bugatti:

do you think 64bit is a bad idea?

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mchou:

no, 64 bit is just fine

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Bugatti:

doesn't make a difference, right?

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mchou:

not by much as far as I can tell

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Bugatti:

it says it has 4 sata ports, wonder how drives you can really fit in it

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mchou:

but I probably would go with a box like the shuttle

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mchou:

wouldnt

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Bugatti:

why's that?

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mchou:

those things are basically toasters, even if you put 939 in them

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Bugatti:

you mean as far as size?

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mchou:

which is the coolest modern proc.

[03:33:56]

mchou:

no, heat

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mchou:

noise

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Bugatti:

duh

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mchou:

if you buy one of those go diskless

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Bugatti:

what would you recommend? I want something that doesn't look like a normal tower

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mchou:

boot off nfs root

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mchou:

would cut down on heat

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mchou:

why not a mac mini? :)

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Bugatti:

hehe

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mchou:

why you laughing?

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xris:

Bugatti: silverstone makes some nice cases

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xris:

shuttles aren't bad as long as you get one with a 120mm fan

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Bugatti:

I was looking at them, but their website is down

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xris:

I wouldn't go for any of the non-shuttle-brand ones of that form factor, though

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xris:

except for the antec one, but it's actually quite a bit wider than the shuttles are

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mchou:

Bugatti: what do you intend to watch?

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Bugatti:

what? on tv?

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mchou:

no, analog/digital

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Bugatti:

analog

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Bugatti:

maybe hd later on

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mchou:

if you watch only analog you dont need that

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Bugatti:

you mean the 64bit beast?

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mchou:

well, 64 bit does have advantage of being a cool proc (compared to older procs)

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mchou:

but it'd be an overkill if you only intend analog

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Bugatti:

yeah I guess

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opello:

my northwood is pretty cool too

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Bugatti:

what model is it?

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Bugatti:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811163052

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opello:

2.4ghz northwood? *shrug* heh

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Bugatti:

I like that case, but ouch at the price

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mchou:

gah, silverstones are fugly

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Bugatti:

no

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mchou:

I dont see what's appealing about that case

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Bugatti:

hmmm looks like the case is going to be the hardest choice

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Hoochster:

is there someplace to control the buffer settings, like to only buffer 30 mins and to clear the buffer after you change channels?

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xris:

Hoochster: why does it matter?

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Hoochster:

just takes up a lot of wasted space

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Hoochster:

I know it will delete it if needed

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Hoochster:

but why

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ShockValue:

4 minutes until raid rebuild complete.. only took me 30 freakin hours

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xris:

the other half of that is "why not?"

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ShockValue:

the the joy of reloading it :)

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ShockValue:

+then

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Hoochster:

so in other words there isn't a way already built into myth? That's what I was asking hehe. I personally just don't see the benefit, and don't see the benefit of waiting 24 hours before it gets rid of the files, it isn't like you are going to go back and watch a part of a show cuz it only started buffering so long.

[04:15:06]

ShockValue:

i find the buffer annoying all together. but i seem to be in the minority

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ShockValue:

i just never use the pause/rewind/etc stuff for live tv.

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Bugatti:

can you disable the buffer?

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hpAuto:

anyone tell me why all my menu options might be blank now

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xris:

hpAuto: alt-tab

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xris:

are you using svn?

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hpAuto:

yes

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xris:

hpAuto: focus a different window

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hpAuto:

am I missing a font or something?

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hpAuto:

my remote won't let me do that

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xris:

hpAuto: chances are that it's an incompatibility between the new opengl menu stuff and your theme

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xris:

unfocusing the window causes things to reappear until the menu is changed (selecting a different option)

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hpAuto:

happends with all the themes but like one

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xris:

hpAuto: yup. turn off the opengl menus and you're fine

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hpAuto:

that an option?

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hpAuto:

in the menu?

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Ryushin:

I can't seem to figure out how to mythstreamtv a live channel using svn. Any ideas on what I'm missing?

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hpAuto:

I'm using QT for paint engine, not opengl

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laga:

Ryushin: are you sure that's possible?

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Ryushin:

laga: Oh yea, mythstreamtv works great. I just haven't found the way to select a channel and changes the channels for live tv.

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Ryushin:

I'm thinking I'll have to start a manual recording, and then stream that. A bit of a inconvience, and I won't be able to change channels easily.

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laga:

yeah, that's what i meant. last time i looked, mythstreamtv could only stream recordings.

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MissActek:

Anyone using Xorg 7 with MythTV?

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ShockValue:

yeh

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MissActek:

How is it?

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ShockValue:

works danady

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ShockValue:

dandy

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ShockValue:

didnt really notice anything new or anything with it.. mythtv starts, i watch tv :)

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MissActek:

What drivers do you use?

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ShockValue:

8758 nvidia

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MissActek:

Neat, thanks.

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mchou:

I dont get it. You buy a HDTV set today. Next year (or whenever) mpeg4 comes along. Do you toss out the TV?

[07:44:16]

Captain_Murdoch:

no, you buy a new fandangled $1000 converter box.

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mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: bah.

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mchou:

and the new $1K coverter box plugs into the tv how? HDMI?

[07:58:15]

Captain_Murdoch:

or you just use Myth and play everything with that.

[07:58:23]

mchou:

lol

[07:59:05]

Captain_Murdoch:

I dunno, but someone somewhere will come up with something that converts the new mpeg4 to something playable on the old TVs.

[07:59:30]

mchou:

sure hope it aint thru svideo :)

[07:59:36]

Captain_Murdoch:

it will use the new HDcomposite input.

[07:59:46]

Captain_Murdoch:

:)

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mchou:

yeah, but your old new tv will need to have the new HDcomposite input (chicken & egg)

[08:01:29]

mchou:

the whole thing sounds rather lame :)

[08:02:25]

mchou:

I mean has the industry "settled" yet on HDMI for TV sets?

[08:02:27]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, a bit. I still don't have a HD capable TV. I transcode all my HD recordings down.

[08:03:03]

mchou:

or is everything "just" DVI?

[08:03:19]

Captain_Murdoch:

haven't even followed it, let the early adopters fund the manufacturers whims.

[08:04:39]

mchou:

I know for cable ready you need at least 3 connectors on TV: DVI, firewire, HDMI

[08:05:22]

mchou:

firewire is more for STBs than for TVs

[08:05:59]

mchou:

of course there is also coax, but that doesnt count

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JustinS:

Any Gentoo'ers in here? I'm "trying" to get lirc functioning .. following this how-to http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_LIRC#Configuration_basics .. but starting with modprobe lirc_hauppauge . it all goes to pot .

[08:22:37]

Zider:

<<-- gentoo

[08:23:28]

Zider:

but not lirc

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JustinS:

Zinder .. they'd be sleeping it appears .. I asked around and there was little to no help .. Should I get lirc working or mythtv working first is anoyther "Q" ..

[08:23:51]

Zider:

mythtv first.. :P

[08:24:12]

Zider:

who do you mean is sleeping?

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JustinS:

lol .. works for me .. I obtain my tv via American Forces Television in Japan (totally american) .. so I can not use the online tv deal (xmltv) to add channels .. I had mplayer watching tv but not via mythtv .. is there a good alternative to downloading the tvxml or xmltv (forget which one) .. --#gentoo was sleeping

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Zider:

oh, #gentoo

[08:27:10]

Zider:

well, I use mythtv without lirc.. I just use keyboard or joypad to navigate..

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mchou:

JustinS: if you try to get lirc working you'll never get around to myth :)

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JustinS:

I'll play with myth then .. thank you much ..

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th1:

hmm.. how come that when I'm playing DivX files back on my frontend its load average is 0.00 or 0.01?

[08:56:11]

Zider:

you have a very fast cpu?

[08:56:21]

th1:

no Semprom 64 1800+

[08:56:29]

th1:

i mean 2800+ :)

[08:56:44]

th1:

the mplayer doesnt even show up in "top"

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Zider:

dunno.. I assume divx playing is done on the frontend without involving the backend at all?

[08:57:43]

th1:

the backend isn't even running..

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mchou:

that's supposed to be the load average

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th1:

i know

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tfm:

load means

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mchou:

what you should be looking at is cpu util

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tfm:

processes waiting for IO

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tfm:

it doesn't say anything about cpu usage

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th1:

well if it does any processing shouldnt it show up in top and show other than "0:00" in CPU time in ps?

[08:59:35]

mchou:

sure it does

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tfm:

its more like, processes waiting to get queued, but typically this is IO

[09:00:54]

th1:

in top it also shows Idle time and Waiting time.. both are at 0%-1%

[09:01:06]

th1:

i mean idle time is at 100% or 99.9%

[09:01:21]

th1:

so the Sempron is fast but its not that fast

[09:01:49]

th1:

ahh.. suddenly it peaked up for a second or two

[09:02:06]

th1:

does it like decode 5 minutes worth of media and caches it and then doesn't use any cpu time to play it at all?

[09:03:07]

Zider:

sempron, fast..? hrrm..

[09:03:22]

th1:

it's 1.6GHz amd64 with 256kb cache

[09:03:35]

th1:

basically an athlon64 with less cache

[09:04:02]

Zider:

I thought 2800+ was more than 1,6GHz

[09:04:16]

th1:

i think there is a different 2800+ with 128k cache and 1.8GHz

[09:04:52]

th1:

these model numbers are pretty confusing.. they should just call it AMD64/256/1.6

[09:04:57]

th1:

or something like that

[09:05:20]

Zider:

yeah, I never liked AMD's bullshitnumbering..

[09:05:22]

th1:

but apparently this one is very good for overclocking.. haven't tried it yet though

[09:05:43]

th1:

and my server is dual opteron so I guess I don't need to overclock the tvbox

[09:05:55]

Zider:

I remember when it was widely accepted that it was the equivalent Intel clocking..

[09:06:06]

th1:

that was the reason they started with those numbers ;)

[09:06:21]

th1:

because they were lagging behind intel with clock speed..

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Zider:

yet another reason why I won't run AMD..

[09:06:48]

th1:

just because their marketing dept. is bad doesn't mean the technology is

[09:07:03]

Zider:

didn't say the technology was bad

[09:07:29]

th1:

i think AMD is a bit ahead of intel especially with mid-range systems you get much more value for money with AMD

[09:07:43]

th1:

but also server systems like Opterons.. they kick ass :)

[09:07:57]

Zider:

I trust Intel. :)

[09:08:12]

th1:

i have the slowest Opterons (242) in my server and its still pretty fast :)

[09:09:08]

Zider:

I have one AMD.. a K6–2.. ;D

[09:09:18]

th1:

hehe

[09:09:30]

th1:

a k6–2 350 was my main pc for many years

[09:09:47]

Zider:

my last "main system" was a celeron 300MHz

[09:09:58]

Zider:

now I have a prescott 3GHz :D

[09:10:01]

th1:

my current one is Athlon XP 3000+

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th1:

heh, 10x up :)

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Zider:

in clock, yes :)

[09:10:29]

th1:

i'll get a dual Athlon64 next time I upgrade

[09:10:34]

Zider:

probably 30x speed ;)

[09:10:37]

th1:

hehe

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th1:

what do you use for MythTV frontend?

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Zider:

celeron 2,6GHz

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th1:

ok

[09:11:28]

th1:

mine's the Sempron 64, diskless and with Hauppauge PVR-350 + Hauppauge WinTV NOVA for DVB-T

[09:11:43]

th1:

so i guess it's backend as well, but I haven't set up the DVB card yet

[09:11:59]

th1:

for now just using it to watch movies from the server :)

[09:12:10]

Zider:

hehe

[09:12:20]

Zider:

that's mostly what I was gonna use it for too

[09:12:29]

Zider:

and still am, since my tuner is fried

[09:12:40]

th1:

it network boots from the server, Myth is up and running like 30 seconds after you hit the power switch

[09:13:25]

Zider:

I like to keep some files on the mythbox, in case my file server goes down :)

[09:13:30]

th1:

trouble is I have digital cable tv so it sucks a bit to record..

[09:13:51]

th1:

hehe :) my server has a 2 TB RAID5

[09:14:16]

th1:

and I want the mythbox to be completely quiet.. and it is, you can't even hear it when it's on

[09:14:33]

th1:

there's just a Speeze CPU fan and a power supply fan that is very slow/quiet

[09:15:11]

th1:

on the other hand you can hear the server even if you are in another room with the door closed :)

[09:15:14]

Zider:

well, I haven't silenced mine yet.. I just got it running.. but it has a 120GB drive that doesn't make much noise, where I keep the emulator games and recordings :D

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th1:

hehe :)

[09:15:37]

th1:

i haven't set up the emulator games yet

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th1:

I want to play Gyruss and New Zealand Story on my tv though :)

[09:16:10]

Zider:

what platform is that?

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th1:

Arcade, mame

[09:16:35]

th1:

NZS is also for amiga i think

[09:16:55]

Zider:

ah

[09:17:13]

Zider:

I've got nes, ps1 and scummvm :D

[09:17:20]

th1:

hehe

[09:17:32]

th1:

i thought about trying to get Myth to run on an xbox

[09:17:40]

th1:

since they are so cheap and MS is subsidizing it :)

[09:17:49]

th1:

so I'd buy one just to run myth, and never buy a single game

[09:17:51]

Zider:

subsidwhat?

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th1:

basically selling them at a loss :)

[09:18:10]

th1:

hoping to make the money back from sold games

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Zider:

ah, yes

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Merlin83b:

th1: You wouldn't be the first – lots of people report success with Xboxes.

[09:18:34]

th1:

Merlin83b, do you know if it'll play dvd's with the built in drive?

[09:18:46]

Zider:

Merlin83b: only as frontend I guess?

[09:18:53]

Merlin83b:

I do not, but a quick search of the mailing lists would show you.

[09:18:56]

Merlin83b:

Zider: Again, not sure.

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th1:

ok

[09:19:08]

th1:

yeah its frontend only, it doesn't have any video inputs

[09:19:19]

Merlin83b:

Good point.

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th1:

but if I need a second MythBox, eg. for bedroom or whateve,r I'll get an xbox :)

[09:19:20]

Zider:

I doubt an xbox has enough juice to record hdtv and stuff :D

[09:19:53]

th1:

well it won't record anything without an input :)

[09:20:12]

Zider:

th1: well, I figured you could stuff a tv card in there.. :)

[09:20:22]

Zider:

dunno, never used an xbox

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th1:

it doesn't have any pci slots or anything

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th1:

on the other hand i think it does have usb

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th1:

so maybe one of those usb mpeg encoders..

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Zider:

th1: isn't it usb1 on xbox?

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th1:

Zider, I dunno.. but even USB1 would be enough for mpeg2

[10:22:47]

th1:

USB1 it's like 12 mbps

[10:23:20]

th1:

but even if it's only for frontend it's good i guess..

[10:23:45]

th1:

it's like Â£50 used and gives remote receiver, DVD drive, tv-out etc..

[10:24:11]

th1:

plus it's small so can fit in kitchen etc. or wherever eyou want a small extra tv

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Zider:

what kind of cpu and stuff is in the xbox anyway?

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AlmtyBob:

there's no way an xbox could be a backend

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AlmtyBob:

it's has 64 megs of ram for christ's sake 8)

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th1:

733MHz Celeron

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Zider:

AlmtyBob: no, but frontend

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th1:

AlmtyBob, if it had a DVB usb decoder attached I don't see why not

[10:25:01]

th1:

but anyway we are talking for frontend

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AlmtyBob:

ohhh

[10:25:13]

AlmtyBob:

you know there's a mythtv plugin for xbmc right?

[10:25:20]

Zider:

th1: 733MHz? uhh.. far from enough for me I'm afraid :P

[10:25:21]

th1:

i don't even know what xbmc is :)

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AlmtyBob:

I use, it works alright

[10:25:31]

AlmtyBob:

omfg, it's THE BEST app ever

[10:25:36]

AlmtyBob:

commercial or otherwise, no exaggeration

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th1:

hm Zider .. 733 mhz is enough for a frontend

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th1:

since the xbox dont have hdtv out or nothing

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AlmtyBob:

sourceforge agrees, it wont best app in two categories

[10:26:00]

AlmtyBob:

yes, it does support 1080i out

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Zider:

th1: not if you wanna do some heavy game emulation..

[10:26:11]

AlmtyBob:

and game emus run just fine

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AlmtyBob:

even n64 emus

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th1:

hehe Zider :)

[10:26:22]

AlmtyBob:

www.ramenite.net/xbmc.jpg

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AlmtyBob:

that's what one screen of xbmc looks like

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th1:

its for your "backup "frontend the one wife uses to watch TV in the kitchen or bedroom

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Zider:

AlmtyBob: I doubt an amiga emulator would run smoothly :P

[10:26:57]

Zider:

not if you're emulating a mid/high-end amiga anyways

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th1:

Zider, it will run MAME without problems for old arcade games :)

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AlmtyBob:

seriously get and install XBMC

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AlmtyBob:

you'll be extremely happy

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th1:

well AlmtyBob I would if I had an xbox ;)

[10:27:29]

AlmtyBob:

it supports EVERYTHING you can dream of

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AlmtyBob:

...oh

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th1:

we were just discussing the potential of using an xbox for myth frontend :) because its cheap

[10:27:54]

Zider:

th1: I'm not interested in mame :)

[10:28:07]

AlmtyBob:

well yes you can, and I can tell you from personal experience it's just fine

[10:28:11]

th1:

great

[10:28:21]

AlmtyBob:

the xbmc script for xbmc isn't perfect, but you can watch livetv and recordings

[10:28:26]

AlmtyBob:

to schedule stuff you need mythweb

[10:28:40]

AlmtyBob:

it doesn't use mythfrontend, it connects directly to the DB/backend

[10:28:54]

AlmtyBob:

you can also run xbox linux and run the real frontend, I think it works ok

[10:29:04]

th1:

does the xbmc play region dvds?

[10:29:10]

AlmtyBob:

-anything-

[10:29:25]

AlmtyBob:

you won't come across a file you can't play on it usually

[10:29:26]

Zider:

does xbmc play shoutcast streams?

[10:29:27]

Zider:

:P

[10:29:28]

AlmtyBob:

yes

[10:29:35]

AlmtyBob:

and records

[10:29:42]

AlmtyBob:

(shoutcast streams)

[10:29:45]

Zider:

game emulators?

[10:29:48]

AlmtyBob:

yes.

[10:29:53]

th1:

xbmc is based on top of debian?

[10:30:03]

AlmtyBob:

no, it's written with the XDK

[10:30:09]

AlmtyBob:

xbox sdk

[10:30:11]

th1:

so its illegal?

[10:30:14]

AlmtyBob:

no

[10:30:21]

AlmtyBob:

well, not really

[10:30:23]

th1:

lol

[10:30:24]

th1:

:)

[10:30:28]

AlmtyBob:

the binary is grey area

[10:30:32]

th1:

not that I care

[10:30:33]

AlmtyBob:

the source is perfectly legal

[10:30:47]

Zider:

I don't care either (don't have an xbox) ;)

[10:30:51]

th1:

hehe

[10:30:53]

AlmtyBob:

the binaries are easy to get but you're SUPPOSED to have a legit xbox sdk and compile it yourself

[10:30:56]

th1:

i might buy an xbox just to get that thing

[10:31:00]

th1:

especially if it can talk to myth backend

[10:31:07]

AlmtyBob:

the interface SHAMES mythtv

[10:31:15]

AlmtyBob:

also works with any universal remote

[10:31:30]

AlmtyBob:

one caveat though

[10:31:30]

Zider:

xbox has an ir-port..?

[10:31:37]

th1:

we ought to make a new Myth frontend..

[10:31:37]

AlmtyBob:

with the dvd remote it does

[10:31:38]

AlmtyBob:

OR

[10:31:46]

AlmtyBob:

well, BUT

[10:31:50]

AlmtyBob:

the dvd remote can't run on the xbox

[10:31:55]

AlmtyBob:

since it doesn't have a standby mode

[10:31:56]

th1:

uh?

[10:32:06]

th1:

so what if it doesnt have a standby mode?

[10:32:16]

AlmtyBob:

no power when it's off = no remote power on

[10:32:16]

th1:

just leave it on and blank the screen for power off?

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AlmtyBob:

the betters olution is to get an IR mod for the xbox

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th1:

hehe

[10:32:42]

AlmtyBob:

which allows you to turn it on and expands the functionality of remotes

[10:32:52]

th1:

if its only to add on/off feature its not worth it

[10:33:01]

AlmtyBob:

you can also get an LCD screen for the front

[10:33:09]

AlmtyBob:

I got one but I haven't modded my 2nd box yet

[10:33:10]

th1:

OSD works for me :)

[10:33:32]

th1:

only thing with xbox is it doesn't have surround output does it?

[10:33:34]

AlmtyBob:

http://www.abconsole.com/images/produits/XBOX/x3panel.jpg

[10:33:39]

AlmtyBob:

of course it does

[10:33:43]

AlmtyBob:

Dolby Digital and DTS 8)

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th1:

oh

[10:33:55]

AlmtyBob:

and PLII fwiw

[10:34:13]

Zider:

PLII?

[10:34:16]

AlmtyBob:

and wireless usb kb/mouse support if you have a simple usb mod

[10:34:18]

th1:

pro logic surround..

[10:34:19]

AlmtyBob:

dolby pro logic II

[10:34:24]

AlmtyBob:

poor man's analog surround

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Zider:

ah

[10:34:37]

th1:

dts nice..

[10:34:49]

th1:

whats the picture quality like?

[10:34:53]

th1:

on TV?

[10:34:53]

AlmtyBob:

incredible

[10:34:57]

AlmtyBob:

720p or 1080i

[10:35:11]

th1:

nice...

[10:35:20]

th1:

i need one of those ;)

[10:35:30]

AlmtyBob:

you need several 8)

[10:35:32]

AlmtyBob:

one for every room

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th1:

I'll go to the local gameshop in the lunch hour and see if they got a used one cheap

[10:35:41]

th1:

does it take gigabit ethernet?

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AlmtyBob:

yah it doesn't really even matter if the drive works

[10:35:44]

Zider:

I only have two rooms.. and only one tv.. :)

[10:35:45]

AlmtyBob:

no 8/

[10:35:52]

th1:

100?

[10:35:54]

AlmtyBob:

but you can stream DVD no problem

[10:35:54]

AlmtyBob:

yah

[10:35:56]

th1:

ok

[10:36:01]

AlmtyBob:

I don't keep any media on the drive

[10:36:06]

AlmtyBob:

I stream it all from my linux box

[10:36:13]

AlmtyBob:

xvids, divx, DVD, mp3, etc

[10:36:16]

th1:

i'll just keep a minimal bootstrap on the drive and then nfs boot

[10:36:22]

th1:

for myth tv

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AlmtyBob:

no, you don't install linux on it

[10:36:31]

AlmtyBob:

unless you really, really want to

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th1:

course I will ;)

[10:36:36]

AlmtyBob:

xbmc is a native app

[10:36:43]

th1:

does xbmc have a web interface?

[10:36:48]

AlmtyBob:

yes

[10:36:51]

AlmtyBob:

the xbmc mythtv script is a python script

[10:36:52]

th1:

ok then..

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Zider:

AlmtyBob: I assume xbmc can play dvd isos as well?

[10:37:08]

AlmtyBob:

it honest to god has everything 8) (pretty much)

[10:37:09]

AlmtyBob:

yes

[10:37:12]

th1:

so once you install xbmc on it you don't need to hav ea cd in the drive to boot?

[10:37:18]

AlmtyBob:

nope, never

[10:37:21]

th1:

ok neat

[10:37:25]

th1:

and will it still play xbox games?

[10:37:27]

AlmtyBob:

if there's no disc in the drive it loads directly to xbmc

[10:37:28]

AlmtyBob:

yup

[10:37:32]

th1:

ah

[10:37:35]

AlmtyBob:

you store them on your xbox's drive

[10:37:44]

AlmtyBob:

and then there's a game manager from within xbmc

[10:37:56]

th1:

so you can use pirated games??

[10:37:58]

AlmtyBob:

if you're going to be here for a sec I'll show you screens

[10:37:59]

Zider:

no way to play them from the drive?

[10:38:00]

AlmtyBob:

yup

[10:38:04]

AlmtyBob:

yah you can zider

[10:38:07]

AlmtyBob:

but you'll never want to

[10:38:10]

AlmtyBob:

they load faster from hdd

[10:38:10]

th1:

and ou dont need a mod?

[10:38:15]

AlmtyBob:

you do need a mod

[10:38:18]

th1:

what mod

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Zider:

(not that I would play any xbox games)

[10:38:22]

AlmtyBob:

you can softmod without a chip but it's not worth it

[10:38:26]

AlmtyBob:

Xecutor 3 is the standard

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AlmtyBob:

from www.modchipman.com or www.divineo.com

[10:38:39]

th1:

debian can be installed without a mod

[10:39:01]

th1:

apparently... not that i've tried

[10:39:07]

th1:

how much is a mod chip?

[10:39:08]

AlmtyBob:

softmodding

[10:39:14]

AlmtyBob:

and softmods are horrible and can brick your box

[10:39:19]

AlmtyBob:

like $40–60

[10:39:28]

th1:

hm k

[10:39:30]

AlmtyBob:

stick around for a sec

[10:39:35]

AlmtyBob:

I'll up some good screens

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th1:

whats the softmod?

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AlmtyBob:

it's this ghetto way of hacking it

[10:41:59]

AlmtyBob:

using some bugs in a certain game

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AlmtyBob:

so you'd have to fork $20 for a used copy and then you'd have to buy a mem card for another $20

[10:42:20]

AlmtyBob:

the modchip comes with a solderless adaptor

[10:42:25]

AlmtyBob:

literally a 30 second install once the box is open

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AlmtyBob:

push it down, wait for a light to turn green, screw it in, close the box

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th1:

hm ok

[10:45:37]

th1:

that sounds pretty easy enough

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th1:

better buy a used xbox with the chip already fitted :)

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AlmtyBob:

don't do that

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th1:

why not

[10:46:06]

AlmtyBob:

someone might have bricked it

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AlmtyBob:

or done something else horrible to it

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Zider:

"bricked"?

[10:46:24]

AlmtyBob:

you can buy a premod from www.modchipman.com

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th1:

there are some good shops here they'll take it back if its fux0rd

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AlmtyBob:

rendered completely useless

[10:46:43]

AlmtyBob:

chipping is mildly legal most places

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** haj wonders who renamed #mythtv-users to #xbox-modding :) **

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hashbang:

AlmtyBob: not in EU, not in US, don't know about the rest of the world, offhand.

[10:47:45]

Zider:

well, if it's bricked, it wouldn't get sold, would it? :)

[10:47:47]

th1:

australia, new zealand is legal

[10:47:54]

th1:

but eu its legal too

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th1:

some places at least

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th1:

as long as you are not doing it so you can run pirated games

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Zider:

haj: sssssch ;)

[10:48:08]

AlmtyBob:

some guy in au got seud and lost

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AlmtyBob:

for selling modded ones

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hashbang:

th1: not since the EUCD

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th1:

hashbang, EUCD is a directive and it is up to the individual member states to interpret and implement it.

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AlmtyBob:

http://www.ramenite.net/xbmc0.jpg <- home screen

[10:48:49]

hashbang:

th1: true, but I think most EU states have, now.

[10:48:51]

th1:

so it varies how it's done for example in sweden its probably legal (although hasn't been tested in court)

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Zider:

there's a store here that sells chiped xbox/ps2/whatever :)

[10:49:02]

Zider:

and also region-freed dvd-players

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AlmtyBob:

http://www.ramenite.net/xbmc1.jpg <- games

[10:49:10]

haj:

Zider: :o)

[10:49:11]

AlmtyBob:

http://www.ramenite.net/xbmc2.jpg <- movies

[10:49:23]

AlmtyBob:

http://www.ramenite.net/xbmc3.jpg <- part of the OSD

[10:49:31]

AlmtyBob:

http://www.ramenite.net/xbmc4.jpg <- MythTV

[10:50:10]

haj:

AlmtyBob: how is livetv working for you?

[10:50:15]

AlmtyBob:

works ok

[10:50:21]

AlmtyBob:

I haven't mapped anything to change channels

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AlmtyBob:

and honestly I don't know if I can, but I don't use it for livetv

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AlmtyBob:

right now I have to hit Stop and then select a new channel

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** haj is using it a bit.. not for live though, mainly because i'm too lazy to test it out.. **

[10:51:35]

haj:

AlmtyBob: i discovered yesterday that the picturequality from my PVR-500 is better than the one the TV gets.. signal is worse on the telly :)

[10:51:47]

haj:

AlmtyBob: that could perhaps make me use livetv for stuff..

[10:51:54]

AlmtyBob:

not for me 8/

[10:51:59]

AlmtyBob:

well, at least after encoding

[10:52:06]

AlmtyBob:

how do you make it encode at a higher quality?

[10:52:13]

AlmtyBob:

I'm not worried about diskspace

[10:52:55]

AlmtyBob:

and haj: do you have the issue with bad sound on Tuner0?

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AlmtyBob:

my second Tuner works fine, but my first tuner has a tinny metallic sound about half the time (samsung chip on the 500)

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haj:

AlmtyBob: i just encode it with the tvcard to ~7000kbps mpeg2

[10:53:33]

AlmtyBob:

where's that option?

[10:53:34]

haj:

AlmtyBob: looks fine, at least in simpsons :)

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haj:

AlmtyBob: its set in mythfrontend i think

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dorel_:

weird how ubuntu dapper only has 0.18 of mythtv

[10:54:09]

haj:

AlmtyBob: you can adjust the recording profiles and transcoding profiles..

[10:54:14]

AlmtyBob:

so about a meg a second, 3.6 gigs an hour?

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haj:

i stopped doing transcoding, since the xbox dosn't really love the nuv-files..

[10:54:32]

AlmtyBob:

yah dorel_, same with Breezy AMD64

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AlmtyBob:

haj: what's the default? .mpg?

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haj:

AlmtyBob: i think my box uses about 2gigs/hour

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AlmtyBob:

err if you don't record

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haj:

AlmtyBob: mpg is default..

[10:55:07]

AlmtyBob:

yah mine is doing 2gigs/hr

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dorel_:

AlmtyBob, i see.

[10:55:13]

AlmtyBob:

I didn't even know you could skip the transcoding

[10:55:17]

AlmtyBob:

I gotta do some reading

[10:55:23]

AlmtyBob:

dorel_: breezy 386 has the newest ver I think

[10:55:34]

AlmtyBob:

how do I check what ver I have installed?

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Zider:

wouldn't the transcoding be done on the backend?

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AlmtyBob:

yah

[10:57:13]

AlmtyBob:

hmm yah, .18 for Breezy 386 also 8/

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AlmtyBob:

this dumb headless linux box took 5 of my 11 vacation days to setup, but I'm in love now. I'm running my first ever eggdrop

[10:57:49]

imperfect-:

Hey, anyone know if I can tell myth to transcode something for me after it's recorded and auto-transcode didn't seem to work?

[10:58:04]

imperfect-:

AlmtyBob, : you poor bastard.

[10:58:17]

AlmtyBob:

why's that? my horrible setup time?

[10:58:18]

imperfect-:

AlmtyBob, : 5 of your 11 vacation days and you blew your load on an eggdrop?!?!

[10:58:19]

imperfect-:

=)

[10:58:26]

imperfect-:

oh hell no

[10:58:30]

imperfect-:

i've been wrestling w/ this for weeks

[10:58:35]

imperfect-:

I'll tell you something thought

[10:58:44]

imperfect-:

I got the Air2PC DVB card working in under an hour

[10:58:53]

imperfect-:

and I recorded my first HDTV show last night

[10:58:54]

imperfect-:

;)

[10:58:57]

AlmtyBob:

well I love having a headless box and all the servers I can run now, eggdrop, TightVNC, mythtv, etc

[10:59:16]

AlmtyBob:

took me 10 installs and 3 days to see my first tv image

[10:59:29]

stuarta:

imperfect-: did you work out the priority stuff?

[11:01:47]

imperfect-:

Stuarta: it wasn't an issue... once i got the dataddirect stuff it was integrated into my lineup and that's the only card that does HDTV

[11:02:29]

Zider:

$215 for a chipped xbox.. hm.. :P

[11:02:32]

AlmtyBob:

with HDTV, does it come from a set top box to your backend?

[11:02:36]

AlmtyBob:

zider: from whom?

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stuarta:

did it turn out to have different channel names for HD?

[11:02:49]

imperfect-:

Yep

[11:02:52]

imperfect-:

_1 mostly

[11:03:00]

imperfect-:

or the call signs +DT

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AlmtyBob:

and you can still tune your channels and all that without having to mess with the set top box?

[11:03:22]

Zider:

AlmtyBob: a guy somewhere around here that chips xboxes and then sell..

[11:03:34]

stuarta:

the fun comes when you start wanting to record conflicting shows in HD :)

[11:03:47]

imperfect-:

I've had many modded xboxen

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imperfect-:

i sold them all

[11:03:52]

imperfect-:

I'll tell ya though

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imperfect-:

when I see how slow the front end run on my mac book pro

[11:04:10]

imperfect-:

I'd be afraid to see what happens on an xbox

[11:04:28]

Zider:

imperfect-: seems to run pretty fine

[11:04:38]

imperfect-:

stuarta, : Well, the glory of all this is that I don't really watch TV ;)

[11:04:53]

imperfect-:

stuarta, :I just have a problem saying no to myself so I kept buying cards just to see what ti does

[11:05:05]

AlmtyBob:

imperfect-: it's just fine

[11:05:10]

Zider:

buy me a card then! ;)

[11:05:17]

imperfect-:

nah

[11:05:18]

imperfect-:

I'm done

[11:05:21]

Zider:

to see what I'll do with it

[11:05:22]

imperfect-:

I only have 3 cards

[11:05:22]

Zider:

:D

[11:05:23]

AlmtyBob:

it's quicker than my 3.0ghz linux box's frontend

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imperfect-:

but for as much as I watch TV it doesnt make much sense

[11:05:31]

AlmtyBob:

granted I'm using a python script and not the real frontend

[11:05:43]

imperfect-:

I've got 2 backends

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imperfect-:

3.6ghz and a 3.0ghz

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Dibblah:

Anyone using software suspend with a mythfrontend?

[11:06:09]

imperfect-:

I front end on the 3.6 to my HDTV

[11:06:24]

imperfect-:

other than that I just download stuff from mythweb or cut and paste the URL to VLC

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Zider:

my front/backend box is a 2,6GHz celeron

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imperfect-:

heh

[11:09:38]

imperfect-:

oh wow

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imperfect-:

firefox plays the videos full screen

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imperfect-:

creepy

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imperfect-:

That's odd some of my recordings are ending up .mpg and other .nuv

[11:11:32]

Zider:

AlmtyBob: is Aladdin XT any good?

[11:11:32]

imperfect-:

intertesting

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imperfect-:

h well

[11:11:40]

imperfect-:

I need to go to work

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imperfect-:

peace out

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stuarta:

imperfect-: digital streams end up as .mpg, captures end up as .nuv

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stuarta:

crap

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AlmtyBob:

zider: for a chip? got with Xecutor 3

[11:12:42]

AlmtyBob:

unless you're hurting for money and it's significantly cheaper

[11:12:44]

Zider:

AlmtyBob: but is it any good?

[11:12:48]

AlmtyBob:

but honestly, almost any chip will work

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AlmtyBob:

not sure

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Zider:

AlmtyBob: that's the chip they use

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Zider:

the chipers here

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AlmtyBob:

it's basically Xecutor 3 > Xenium > everything else

[11:13:46]

AlmtyBob:

Xecutor 3 is made by some serious devs who know what they're doing and are constantly improving their product, those other chips are chinese hack jobs

[11:13:57]

Zider:

AlmtyBob: they claim aladdin xt is one of the best chip on the market

[11:14:12]

AlmtyBob:

but if you want a no frills (control panel, ir mod, on/off switch) then you can go with pretty much anything

[11:14:16]

AlmtyBob:

they lie

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AlmtyBob:

best = cheapest they can get wholesale and mark up

[11:14:45]

Zider:

you mean control panel and ir is part of the chip..

[11:14:46]

Zider:

?

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AlmtyBob:

no, addons that plug in to the chip and cost extra

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AlmtyBob:

Alladin is about the 6th best chip

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Zider:

ah

[11:15:15]

Zider:

but they need the chip?

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AlmtyBob:

but since you're not installing it's not a big deal, it either will or won't work

[11:15:33]

AlmtyBob:

yes, they need the chip

[11:15:39]

Zider:

if it doesn't work I can return it within a year

[11:15:43]

AlmtyBob:

and you can mod with an X3 now and add on that crap later

[11:16:09]

AlmtyBob:

that's cool, like I said, it's not TOO big of a deal, you'll just miss out on some simple features that only really matter if you play games or want to do xbox live

[11:16:17]

AlmtyBob:

and the ir/control panel thing

[11:16:33]

Zider:

well, I want the IR thingie if it's gonna become a frontend :P

[11:17:06]

AlmtyBob:

I can't stress enough how easy it is to install a solderless X3. NO soldering whatsoever and you'll be completely done in under an hour. Less than a minute for the install part

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AlmtyBob:

oh I know why they use alladin. It's because it works with all xbox versions so they don't have to worry about that

[11:18:46]

Zider:

ah.

[11:19:12]

Zider:

so I'd have to find the right xbox version to be able to put an X3 in there

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AlmtyBob:

X3 has two versions, 1.0–1.5 xboxes, and 1.6/1.7

[11:19:20]

Zider:

ah

[11:19:44]

Zider:

but all xboxes is supported somehow?

[11:19:55]

AlmtyBob:

generally speaking new = 1.6/1.7, used = 1.0–1.5. To check it you can run your serial through an online db or open it up and look

[11:20:31]

AlmtyBob:

yes. And opening the box to check for the version is simple, the xbox is no more complicated to take apart than a normal PC except you need Torx drivers for the screws, which come in almost any pc toolkit

[11:21:07]

Zider:

don't have any pc toolkit, but I do have torx bits :D

[11:21:42]

AlmtyBob:

that works 8) torx 10 and 12 I think they are

[11:21:54]

Zider:

hm, not a single unchiped xbox around here

[11:22:03]

AlmtyBob:

heh

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Zider:

everyone seems to be using that aladdin xt

[11:22:19]

AlmtyBob:

modchipman sells premodded xboxes and they do a FANTASTIC job, but they're $300 with X3

[11:23:12]

AlmtyBob:

you kinda get what you pay for. An alladin XT is $12, an X3 is $60

[11:23:27]

Zider:

heh

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Zider:

I think I'll stick with my mythbox

[11:23:59]

Zider:

:D

[11:24:11]

Zider:

altho it's noisy, bulky and ugly.. ;D

[11:24:19]

AlmtyBob:

really there's no harm in getting an alladin except the IR mod thing

[11:24:36]

Zider:

and I want a remote

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AlmtyBob:

with the alladin you can still use a remote with every possible function except turning the box on, which is huge for me

[11:24:58]

Zider:

a media frontend without a remote is like.. uh.. a car without steering wheel ;)

[11:25:33]

Zider:

AlmtyBob: I thought you said you couldn't use that with aladdin xt?

[11:25:50]

AlmtyBob:

no, you can use a remote with ANY chip, just can't run on with anything but X3

[11:25:54]

AlmtyBob:

run = turn on

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

well, that doesn't bother me

[11:26:18]

Zider:

no need to turn it off

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AlmtyBob:

then go for the alladin

[11:27:26]

Zider:

I'll probably have to wait a couple of months for that :)

[11:28:06]

AlmtyBob:

you won't be dissapointed

[11:28:24]

AlmtyBob:

(well maybe in the mythtv script which is little bleh but you can always run xbox linux and use the real front end)

[11:30:45]

AlmtyBob:

http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=87054 <-- there's the screens page of xbmc in case I didn't paste enough 8)

[11:30:55]

AlmtyBob:

oh did I mention it supports RSS feeds? 8)

[11:33:47]

AlmtyBob:

sleep time, good night

[11:38:31]

Zider:

I get my RSS to the palm pilot :)

[11:47:18]

olejl:

I get this message from dmesg when watching LiveTV:

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olejl:

application mythfrontend uses obsolete OSS audio interface

[11:47:34]

Zider:

so set it to use alsa. :)

[11:47:46]

olejl:

How can I do that?

[11:48:17]

Zider:

in the setup where you choose the audio output, instead of /dev/dsp you enter ALSA:default or something

[11:48:56]

olejl:

Yes but I have some trubble getting ALSA to work

[11:49:07]

Zider:

oh?

[11:49:31]

olejl:

Only have 2 choices, /dev/dsp and /dev/adsp

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Zider:

just type it in, with the keyboard

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olejl:

ok I will try

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olejl:

Still no sound. I try to write /sbin/modprobe saa7134-alsa, but in dmesg I get:

[11:54:41]

olejl:

saa7134 ALSA driver for DMA sound loaded

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olejl:

saa7133[0]/alsa: saa7133[0] at 0xfdeff000 irq 19 registered as card -1

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olejl:

I dont know how to solve this

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Zider:

saa1733.. isn't that the driver for the tuner card?

[11:57:55]

olejl:

Yes it is but it is sound from the tunercard I miss.

[11:58:18]

olejl:

It is only when watching LiveTV that I have no sound.

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Zider:

I thought it was sound OUTput that used obsolete OSS

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olejl:

Yes I miss sound output to my speaker

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th1:

olejl, try apt-get install alsa-utils and then run alsaconf

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sohoit:

good morning all

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sohoit:

anyone awake here

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olejl:

apt-get? I am using fc5

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radi0head:

Anyone knows why when I change the channels, the channels doesn't change but the numbers do?

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radi0head:

I read that it had to do with my sql database.

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radi0head:

s/doesn't/don't

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hpAuto:

mythstream causes the frontend to crash now

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LLyric:

radi0head: it's possible in browse mode. hit enter to actually change.

[12:30:57]

radi0head:

LLyric; I'll be right back, let me take a look at it. I haven't played with mythtv in days.

[12:34:08]

radi0head:

LLyric; When I hit enter, it says: 2006-05–09 08:34:06.746 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.

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radi0head:

And it jams. And a couple seconds after, I get an error.

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radi0head:

"Error was encoutered while displaying video. "Return to menu"

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imperfectus:

What's up?

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Dibblah:

Gee, thanks, motherboard manufacturers. 118W draw on a normally running system. 120W in suspend.

[12:41:03]

Dibblah:

standby, even.

[12:41:31]

radi0head:

How come when I exit wythfrontend and mythbackend, the sound of the tv keeps on playing.

[12:42:52]

Merlin83b:

Magic.

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radi0head:

hehe

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radi0head:

I have to fire xawtv and close it :)

[12:43:47]

laga:

wrong mixer settings

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sohoit:

hello

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radi0head:

laga; IN alsamixer?

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laga:

radi0head: for example.

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radi0head:

laga; Weird, It works perfectly in xawtv.

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sohoit:

I have myth working and the keyboard commands for ff rw left and right seems to take me right to the end of the video

[12:46:17]

sohoit:

any ideas why?

[12:46:27]

laga:

yes, because xwtv works in a completely different way. try to read the documentation and search the mailing list

[12:46:50]

radi0head:

laga; Yeah, thanks mate.

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sohoit:

what is xwtv?

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th1:

sohoit what are you watching?

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radi0head:

xawtv*

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sohoit:

recoded video

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th1:

sohoit, its xwindows tv player

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radi0head:

laga; How about not being able to change channels?

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sohoit:

no mythtv]

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th1:

sohoit, then i dont know..

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sohoit:

ok

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radi0head:

laga; The number changes, but not the channels.

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sohoit:

it work at one time not sure what changed

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radi0head:

th1; You mean xwindow?

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sohoit:

I also get an occasional audio stutter and can't seem to find out how to correct

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Merlin83b:

Anything int he logs, sohoit?

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sohoit:

please advise where to look

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laga:

hi Juski

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Merlin83b:

Wherever your logs are. /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log may be it.

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sohoit:

ok i'll take a look

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Juski:

hi laga

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GreyFoxx:

A little off topic, but does anyone here know a parameters to make tar NOT preserve file persmissions when untarring a file ? I can find several for preserving permissions but in this case I don't want to do that :)

[12:54:35]

opello:

leave off the 'p'?

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

if only it was that simple :)

[12:55:03]

opello:

really? maybe it's your umode then?

[12:55:06]

opello:

er, umask...

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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sohoit:

i have the log opened what should I be looking for in it?

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opello:

otherwise there seems to be a long option --no-preserve-permissions

[12:55:53]

opello:

er, --no-same-permissions ... (i just woke up, sorry)

[12:55:56]

GreyFoxx:

I've got a tar file that has a directory with no read/write permissions by anyone. And when tar creates it and then spits errors when it can't write the files that are support to be in it

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GreyFoxx:

suppose to be in it

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GreyFoxx:

If I could just make tar use my umask I'd be a happy camper

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armand:

bash it with a hammer

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GreyFoxx:

It's been considered

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opello:

--no-same-permissions apply user's umask when extracting files instead of recorded permissions

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GreyFoxx:

opello: I'll try that :)

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Juski:

laga... have you seen this? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/202846

[12:58:50]

Juski:

interesting, no...?

[12:59:38]

GreyFoxx:

Looks sweet

[12:59:53]

opello:

i've seen cable boxes with ethernet ports, maybe that's what it is

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GreyFoxx:

And many people keep coming and asking about it, so it could be very useful to them

[13:00:10]

Juski:

opello: I have one of them

[13:00:19]

Juski:

this too: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/202097

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Juski:

exciting times – for me at least :-P

[13:00:43]

johnp_:

That's the one i like :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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laga:

Juski: yep. but i dunno what it's supposed to be used with.

[13:01:46]

laga:

Juski: anyways, i've just signed a letter to the cable co, i'm gonna cancel my digital cable plan :P

[13:01:54]

Juski:

laga: ahh

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laga:

so i won't hve thast much use for the dbox anyways because the FTA stuff sucks

[13:02:12]

Juski:

you gonna use a gardengnome?

[13:02:22]

laga:

naw

[13:03:04]

Juski:

been thinking about cancelling my extra cable channels. there are over 100 channels I never watch

[13:03:06]

laga:

maybe i'm gonna ring up another cable co and ask them to give me a nice, cheap plan with only the sci-fi channel and 13th street

[13:03:18]

laga:

Juski: i pay 40¤/month for stuff i never watch...

[13:03:43]

Juski:

£25.99 a month here, though apparently they're gonna make a lot of it free soon

[13:03:48]

laga:

nice

[13:04:23]

Juski:

I found out that if commflagging doesn't work in recordings, skipping five minutes forward does the job just as well. FIVE minutes!

[13:04:37]

laga:

i suppose we get our analog cables over dvb-c as well, soon. but it will be encrypted. only like 5¤/month, though.

[13:04:49]

laga:

Juski: five minutes? consider yourself happy...

[13:05:06]

Juski:

wha? you guys get more than 5 minut ad breaks?!

[13:05:17]

laga:

sometimes, yes. during some prime-time movies

[13:05:24]

Juski:

ouch man

[13:05:42]

laga:

but usually no longer than 7 minutes. by ad-breaks, i mean the channel's ads for other programmes as well,btw

[13:05:54]

Juski:

I had to laugh last night when I learned that the ITV channel only won one award out of all of its shows!

[13:06:07]

laga:

and of course, because the ad breaks are so long, they repeat like 30s of the show after the commercial break.

[13:06:16]

laga:

which really sucks for commflagging and editing...

[13:06:17]

Juski:

lordy

[13:06:41]

laga:

well, only some channels do that. but it's the one that's airing enterprise :/

[13:06:42]

Juski:

but at least you get sexy shows over there ;-)

[13:06:59]

laga:

bah

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laga:

i've got a sexy GF ;)

[13:07:10]

Juski:

UK has the highest teenage pregnancy rate in the world (probably) and we never see nudity

[13:07:22]

laga:

and free internet porn (and mythbrowser)

[13:07:24]

Juski:

laga: don't ever get married then!

[13:07:35]

laga:

Juski: yeah, i'm sure the wife would mind me having a GF

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GreyFoxx:

opello: That parameter had no effect, Maybe I'll have to edit the tar source

[13:07:46]

Juski:

lol

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Juski:

schmokey time

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laga:

right

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** laga checks his letter for the 100th time **

[13:10:26]

laga:

OT: has anyone else get a hp printer and problem with "smearing" print?

[13:10:56]

th1:

lol, that's the most offtopic question I've seen so far

[13:11:30]

th1:

but yes I have had a printer like that and in the end i ditched the printer and bought an epson instead

[13:11:38]

laga:

well, actually not. don't you see how it's related to mythtv?

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th1:

ok how is it related to myth then.. ;)

[13:12:22]

th1:

im sure you have a very clever connection figured out ;)

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laga:

i bought digital cable to use it with myth, and now i want to cancel it. thus, i had to write a letter. when i tried to fold the letter, i touched the ink and it got all messed up

[13:12:35]

laga:

see?

[13:12:38]

th1:

lol :)

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opello:

GreyFoxx: very odd, wonder how the tar was created if the original creator didn't have +rx on the dir

[13:13:06]

th1:

laga, if it only smears when you touch it your probably using too much ink for that paper type.. check that hte paper type is correct or select "Economy" print

[13:13:41]

laga:

th1: yeah, but it shouldn't be smearing after it dried, right? but ok, you may be right. i'll check later

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GreyFoxx:

opello: wish I knew

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th1:

laga, if it smears after its dried it means too much ink was used, so its formed a bubble where only the surface dries.. then it'll smear when you touch it

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Juski:

oh you know how last night people were talking about Silicon Image SATA controllers being no good? turns out that we've got SI controllers on our stuff now. Signed an NDA – which is now jokingly referred to as 'no data available'. god help us

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th1:

Silicon Image SATA controllers are ok.. just their bios fakeraid sucks, but the controllers themselves support NCQ

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laga:

th1: ok, i'll have to investigate. i'll let you know how it goes :)

[13:28:16]

th1:

I wrote the Linux fakeraid driver in the 2.4 kernel

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th1:

for Silicon Image..

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laga:

cool!

[13:28:38]

laga:

we've got a kernel hacker :)

[13:28:46]

th1:

lol yeah

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laga:

*worships*

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th1:

i post on the lkml like once a year ;)

[13:29:06]

laga:

th1: woohoo! heh

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th1:

so im no Alan Cox.. hehe

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Juski:

th1: yeh that might be the case, but this morning I was talking to the guy writing our driver – he said the SI people have been no help. we got the datasheet but it doesn't have any useful info about the extended sata command set. Only how to make it look like an ATA controller :-/

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laga:

err. i don't have enough money handy to send that letter. this sucks...

[13:30:03]

th1:

eh?

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th1:

how much does it cost to send a letter..

[13:30:40]

Juski:

th1: basically, their datasheets suck big style – and they're no fsking help at all as a company

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th1:

Juski, it's part of CMD now isn't it

[13:31:47]

th1:

they usually had good datasheets

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Juski:

yeh well – the best advice we've had so far is to look in the linux driver

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laga:

th1: uh, a few euro – this is a special letter, i'll get a note saying they have received my letter so i can use it as a proof. i've heard this company tends to loose normal letters

[13:36:10]

laga:

anyways, found some cash, i've gotta run now :)

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th1:

Juski, what are you writing a driver for?

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sapbeast:

Juski: yeah that was me

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sapbeast:

at least i was running into problems

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Anyone know how mythtvfrontend/backend reacts to a missing mysql server? Will it continue recording scheduled stuff at all or will it just die completely?

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nero__:

RaYmAn-Bx, seeing as the mysql server has the recording schedule, I dont see how it would continue recording future scheduled stuff.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

nero__: I figured it might keep some stuff in memory so it could live through a few recordings without it =P

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bagpuss_thecat:

am I missing something really obvious? when I run nuvexport, I get told that everything is disabled, bar the nuv and sql output. This is on Debian Unstable, on my backend/frontend machine (0.19)

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nero__:

RaYmAn-Bx, I dont know for sure, but I would doubt it.

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bagpuss_thecat:

RaYmAn-Bx: it bails out completely

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bagpuss_thecat:

every minute it checks for things to record, so if it can't connect then it'll fail

[14:09:26]

bagpuss_thecat:

well, that's what happens when I reboot my DB server anyway :-p

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RaYmAn-Bx:

thanks..that's what I thought as well, but if I could avoid having to take down the server to move the db to a different box it would be nice

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bagpuss_thecat:

RaYmAn-Bx: set up MySQL replication to the mythtv box, and point myth at the replica

[14:10:27]

RaYmAn-Bx:

hmm, that does sound like a possibility

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bagpuss_thecat:

tbh though, a db move can be done in less than 5 minutes assuming all the hardware and OS is ready

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bagpuss_thecat:

so unless you record a _lot_ of TV... :-p

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RaYmAn-Bx:

heh

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RaYmAn-Bx:

most of my recordings unfortunately happens in the timespan when i'm actually home

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RaYmAn-Bx:

but yeah, it shouldn't be a big problem

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I'll just have to find an open spot in my schedule ;)

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bagpuss_thecat:

in any case, you'll have to reload/restart mythtv to point it at the new db server

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RaYmAn-Bx:

yeah

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Chacabaou:

Hello.

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Chacabaou:

I'm experiencing weird utf8 issues with svn... while special characters are shown fine in all EPG-related views, they get messed as soon as they're save to the 'recorded' table. Any idea?

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Chacabaou:

Inside mysql, everything is set to unicode. I actually don't no if the EPG data is in unicode (both contents in 'program' and 'recorded' are displayed faulty with phpMyAdmin), but at least it's displayed correctly in mythfrontend/mythweb.

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Ryushin:

Juski, mishehu, kormoc: Removing preempt seems to have fixed my stability issues. Thank you VERY, VERY much. I don't know how long it would have taken me to figure that out. Strange that it would cause it to lock up.

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Juski:

Ryushin: hey no problem. I was just browsing yesterday & I remembered quickly scanning something about it ;-)

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Juski:

th1: if you're still here – our software guy is writing a sata driver for the SI controller – for our embedded multichannel DVR

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Juski:

th1: the big snag is that it's all a propriatary platform – neither ppc or x86 ;-)

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th1:

hehe Juski

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th1:

i see..

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th1:

it's mips then?

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th1:

or arm?

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radi0head:

I get this error while compiling mythtv-0.19. http://mythtv.pastebin.com/707689 It fails while doing make, it seems to fail at the joystick. Sure I could use the ----disable-joystick-menu as a configure option, but the thing is that I want to use my joystick. Btw, my kernel is 2.6.16.12.

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Merlin83b:

radi0head: Have you got your kernel sources available?

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radi0head:

Merlin83b; Yes.

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radi0head:

I remember that using the 2.6.15.* branch, mythtv would compile.

[16:47:16]

radi0head:

Might be a bug in 2.6.16.12 or in mythtv, but more likely in 2.6.16.12.

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radi0head:

Anyone here running 2.6.16.*?

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georgek:

I'm using the gentoo-sources 2.6.16-r6

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georgek:

...with the v4l-dvb mercurial development drivers

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radi0head:

georgek; Can you try getting the source of mythtv-0.19, extracting it, doing ./configure --prefix=/usr --disable-distcc && qmake mythtv.pro && make and please tell me if it errors out at the joystick?

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radi0head:

Do you ahve a joystick?

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radi0head:

Maybe if you don't, (and it's not configured in your kernel) it won't error on you.

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georgek:

I'm using the svn .19fixes branch and it did not error. I didn't touch the joystick kernel config, so whatever is stock is what's enabled tehre.

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radi0head:

Ah, that's why it doesn't error.

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radi0head:

I'm going to cook something, i'll be back in a bit.

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mlehrer:

i have a 30 gig mpg file – I just need to extract an hour from the middle. what is the best linux utility to do this?

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mlehrer:

is there a good linux utility to edit a big mpeg file to cut out just the part i want

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radi0head:

mlehrer; avidemux2

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mlehrer:

radi0head: does that come as its own package or is it part of something else?

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radi0head:

mlehrer; Own package.

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mlehrer:

is that different from the "avidemux" package i see on debian?

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radi0head:

mlehrer; WHich version?

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mlehrer:

avidemux 1:2.1.2–0.0ubuntu2

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radi0head:

that's 2.1.2

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radi0head:

It's avidemux2

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mlehrer:

cool

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mlehrer:

i'll give it a try, thanks

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radi0head:

np. It's fairly easy to use.

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radi0head:

Just select the start and the end of what you want to cut.

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mlehrer:

it is a 30G mpg, hopefully it will work ok

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radi0head:

mlehrer; It will work fine.

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GreyFoxx:

ugh, my boss just asked me to think over the feasability of setting up an apartmentcomplexx wide myth system

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radi0head:

GreyFoxx; Nice.

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mlehrer:

that will be a lot of hacking

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radi0head:

That's where all the fun is.

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mlehrer:

the legalities will be even more painful won't they

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GreyFoxx:

Not really

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GreyFoxx:

the legal aspects are not a worry

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radi0head:

mythtv keeps it's config files in ~/.mythtv, but when I rm -rf it, it seems that there are still some other configs left, anyone knows where it could be located? I've checked in /etc to no avail.

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GreyFoxx:

the "how can the users mess this up" part is :)

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laga:

radi0head: it's in the mysql database

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GreyFoxx:

radi0head: Myth stores all configuration in the database

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radi0head:

laga; GreyFoxx; Thank you.

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GreyFoxx:

the mysql.txt just tells myth how to reach the database

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laga:

ha! beat you to it! :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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radi0head:

laga is the winner!

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mlehrer:

you will just have to reduce the feature set as much as possible

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GreyFoxx:

mlehrer: The biggest issue will be deletion of shows

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GreyFoxx:

BUT what they are considering is not allowing frontends to delete at all

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GreyFoxx:

but have everything just auto expire

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mlehrer:

you should probably have the interface show the user when the program will be deleted so they have an idea

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GreyFoxx:

possibly

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mlehrer:

e.g. i had better watch this show within the next 2 days

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radi0head:

Okay mythtv compiled with --disable-joystick-menu.

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GreyFoxx:

"All shows expire after 1 week",

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radi0head:

I'm 90% this is a kernel issue.

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GreyFoxx:

and since the screen will show when it was recorded they shoudl be able to do the math :)

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GreyFoxx:

but I might change something there

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mlehrer:

your apartment dwellers must be smarter than average :)

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GreyFoxx:

I want this as close to the regular codebase as possible

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mlehrer:

that sounds like quite a fun project

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GreyFoxx:

They also mentioned just recording every channel 24 hours a day

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GreyFoxx:

so it might be interesting :)

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mlehrer:

but keep the server cost < $1000

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GreyFoxx:

likely multibackends :)

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GreyFoxx:

they are still fuzzy on what they want it to do

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GreyFoxx:

like how many channels, how far to retain, do they want compression, etc

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GreyFoxx:

wonder how quickly I could saturate the IO controllers hehe

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gutano:

I wonder how many tuners you could fit/sustain per box

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GreyFoxx:

depends on the source Iguess

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GreyFoxx:

4 PVR cards should be ok

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GreyFoxx:

but I suspect this would be mostly if not all DVB based

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hashbang:

http://blogs.snapstream.com/2006/01/18/godzilla-pvr/ # 11 tuners: 4 HD, 7 SD

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GreyFoxx:

the multichannel DVB recording stuff could be very interesting

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hashbang:

GreyFoxx: each UK DVB multiplex is 24Mbps, and we have 6 multiplexes in operation, currently.

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speedsix:

Hi all

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speedsix:

Anyone help with a problem I'm having transcoding dvds?

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olejl:

When i start LiveTV I get the following message: Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'. How can I make it use alsa driver?

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gutano:

olejl: if the /dev/dsp is an alsa emulation.... then it is using alsa

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gutano:

olejl: if the /dev/dsp is an oss emulation.... then it is using alsa

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gutano:

so... you need to make sure you have '<*> OSS PCM (digital audio) API' in your kernel

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gutano:

it's under Device Drivers->Sound->ALSA

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speedsix:

Does anyone know what dir the myth transcode demon uses as a temp folder?

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GreyFoxx:

I think it just writes to the recordings directory

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GreyFoxx:

file.tmp or somesuch

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GreyFoxx:

Or at least when it comes to transcoding recordings

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GreyFoxx:

no idea when it's about ripping DVDs

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gutano:

olejl: if your not compiling your own kernel, try loading the module snd-pcm-oss

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speedsix:

I'm getting the error "19:05:07: Error: rip directory does not seem to exist

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speedsix:

" when I try to rip anything other than a perfect copy

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speedsix:

Apparently it needs a temp dir that doesn't exist on my machine

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GreyFoxx:

I assume you have looked in setup under "Rip settings" at the "Directory to hold temporary files" section ? :)

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olejl:

Where do I find Device drivers

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gutano:

olejl: do you compile a custom kernel? or do you install one via rpm/apt-get/etc?

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kormoc:

olejl, google is a good spot, but if you want something more specific, ask it more specific

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olejl:

No I dont have custom kernel

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kormoc:

olejl, and your question about ASLA is covered by the manual.

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gutano:

ok... try 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' as root

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gutano:

that is not _direct_ access to alsa... it is through the oss interface that alsa provides

[18:40:06]

kormoc:

gutano, he likely already has that enabled, most newer distros set that up automatically, and it won't change the message that he saw

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gutano:

olejl: this is probably a good "quick fix" but kormoc is correct, the ideal way to get around this is to switch mythtv to alsa (manual good place to look, or just dig for a bit)

[18:41:58]

gutano:

kormoc: I bet it was his permissions now that I give it a 2nd thought

[18:42:19]

gutano:

no sound grp? =/

[18:42:52]

speedsix:

GreyFoxx, thank you my man, you are a genius :)

[18:42:54]

kormoc:

yeah, permissions are quite likely

[18:47:49]

xris:

anyone here have experience with flash video?

[18:47:54]

xris:

other than kormoc, of course...

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radi0head:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/707931 Is this X error message normal?

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radi0head:

I mean VideoOutputXv Error.

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kormoc:

with nvidia cards, yeah

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mlehrer:

is it possible for mythtv to use gl output instead of xv

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gutano:

radi0head: dunno if this will fix errors, but there is a comment in myths troubleshooting area about performance, says make sure you are using 24bit color depth

[18:59:32]

radi0head:

gutano; Thanks but I already use 24bit color depth.

[19:00:48]

gutano:

kind of a safe assumption.. =/ I was just reading about a different issue and saw it on my page while you where mentioning your problem, heh

[19:01:33]

TinheadNed:

is there any detailed documentation on setting up mythweb? I'm trying to get my web server to connect to my mythbox

[19:01:57]

TinheadNed:

I think my mysql server isn't responding correctly but I can't tell

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Jusk1:

TinheadNed: most mythweb setup errors are described by the pages it spews out

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radi0head:

kormoc; I'm having problems setting up the sound under mythtv. I have an old ati tv wonder using the bttv module, with an audigy 2 ZS using the snd-emu10k1 using alsa 1.0.11. I use a cable from the aux of my audigy to my tvtuner. I played a bit with alsamixer -V all, and I can hear the sound in real-time instead of hearing after it's been processed and synced with the video by mythtv. I tried every compinations, I manage

[19:05:14]

radi0head:

d to hear it synced but I was hearing the real-time audio at the same time, If I mute the real-time audio, I can't hear anything else. So it's both/the real-time audio (out of sync)/ or nothing, hmm.. I'm out of ideas here...

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TinheadNed:

Jusk1: "client does not support authentication method requested by server"? i assumedit wasa false lead

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speedsix:

Howdy all

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radi0head:

speedsix; Hi.

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TinheadNed:

hey speedsix

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Exstatica:

what would cause static on a pvr-350?

[19:06:22]

Exstatica:

er

[19:06:24]

Exstatica:

i mean 150

[19:06:31]

Exstatica:

my 350 works perfectly

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speedsix:

brb

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Jusk1:

Exstatica: which card is the first one the antenna connection plugs into?

[19:08:15]

Exstatica:

well my 350 shows up first and its plugged into the cable, and my 150 is plugged into regular cable

[19:08:30]

Jusk1:

swap the aerial cables over

[19:08:41]

Exstatica:

my 350 is on a digital cable box

[19:09:14]

Exstatica:

you mean the physical connection on the card?

[19:09:26]

Exstatica:

does the 150 even have two coax inputs?

[19:09:32]

Jusk1:

how many ways is the cable feed split?

[19:09:37]

Exstatica:

twice

[19:09:49]

Jusk1:

besides – cable feeds are notoriously bad – especially analogue ones

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Exstatica:

its split one to the digital cable box, and the other to the pvr-150

[19:10:20]

Jusk1:

maybe you need an ampifier – you can split a cable once (i.e. one to two) before needing extra amplification

[19:10:37]

Exstatica:

even if i bypass the cable box i still get static

[19:10:56]

TinheadNed:

not immediately relevant, but can anyone recommend a linux client for connecting to a remote mysql db to check it's accepting connections?

[19:11:06]

Jusk1:

I bet the 350 would look crappy on the same feed

[19:11:17]

Exstatica:

it is the same feed

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Jusk1:

it's not

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Exstatica:

TinheadNed: use mysql -h yourremotehost

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Exstatica:

Jusk1: it is

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Jusk1:

it's going thru a digital cable box & you're using a direct connection via audio & video

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Jusk1:

that's what you said

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Exstatica:

no

[19:12:20]

TinheadNed:

Exstatica: aha – i'm dumb

[19:12:26]

Exstatica:

i have cable from the wall, into a splitter, one side goes to the digital cable, the ohter goes to the pvr-150, from the digital cable box i'm going into the pvr-350 using coax also

[19:12:54]

Jusk1:

eek – how many things from one feed? sounds like you need an amp

[19:12:58]

Exstatica:

if i remove the cable from the pvr-350 and put it in the pvr-150 i still get static

[19:13:07]

Exstatica:

i have 2

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Exstatica:

its split once

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Exstatica:

ok.... lets remove the splitter, and remove the digital cable box, if i take the cable from the wall into the pvr-150 i still get static

[19:14:13]

Exstatica:

if i swap the cables from the pvr-350 to the pvr-150 and vice versa, the 350 works with basic cable, and the pvr-150 doesn't work

[19:14:15]

Jusk1:

do you mean a noisy picture / no picture?

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Exstatica:

no picture

[19:14:19]

Exstatica:

static

[19:14:23]

Exstatica:

fuzz

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Exstatica:

:)

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Jusk1:

wrong tuner type selected in ivtv then

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Jusk1:

or wrong freq. table

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Exstatica:

tveeprom: tuner = TCL 2002N 5H (idx = 99, type = 50)

[19:15:02]

TinheadNed:

aha – i'm a 'tard

[19:15:16]

Exstatica:

tuner: type set to 50 (TCL 2002N) by ivtv i2c driver #1

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mlehrer:

i have that same tuner

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TinheadNed:

my web server has sql 4.0.x, mythtv is using 5.0.x

[19:15:38]

Jusk1:

?

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Exstatica:

mlehrer: you have problems or does yours work?

[19:15:46]

mlehrer:

i can only use the rf input, it won't switch to composite or s-video for some reason

[19:15:50]

Jusk1:

you've got mysql 4 & 5 installed?

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mlehrer:

but ptune works ok

[19:16:14]

Exstatica:

mlehrer: i'm trying to use the tuner part of it

[19:16:16]

** Jusk1 has no pvr150 problems **

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mlehrer:

mine is a pvr-250

[19:16:29]

Jusk1:

although I never got the tuner working ( not that I'll ever use it)

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Exstatica:

hmmm maybe it is a pvr-250

[19:17:32]

Jusk1:

tested it, tried tuning, failed – thought "fuck that I don't need it anyway"

[19:17:47]

Exstatica:

no its a 150

[19:17:56]

Jusk1:

Exstatica: I've seen some versions of ivtv can misidentify cards but not for a long time

[19:18:48]

Exstatica:

i'm sure its a 150

[19:19:01]

Jusk1:

check for obvious stuff like the antenna socket isn't broken

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Jusk1:

though if you have a US model with 'F' connectors I doubt that'd happen

[19:20:23]

Jusk1:

we have these cruddy 'belling-lee' coaxial connectors in europe – and they don't screw on – so have a tendency to fall out sometimes

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TinheadNed:

sorry to ask a stupid question – where do I specify who can connect to the backend?

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Jusk1:

/etc/my.cnf

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TinheadNed:

Jusk1: the mythtv one, sorry

[19:25:03]

Jusk1:

er... the mysql server that is

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AlmtyBob:

Exstatica: did you select the right card type in the backend?

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GreyFoxx:

That works for the database, but myth doesn't have any access controls

[19:25:27]

Exstatica:

AlmtyBob: yeah i'm pretty sure, the normal pvr-x50

[19:25:33]

GreyFoxx:

If you want to restrict by IP you would have to setup a packet filter and block access to the backend port

[19:25:42]

Jusk1:

TinheadNed: if mythbackend is bound to 127.0.0.1 you can only connect to it from that machine I think

[19:25:52]

TinheadNed:

ah

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Exstatica:

you make the changes in mythtvsetup

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Exstatica:

under general

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Exstatica:

put in the real ip

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TinheadNed:

ta

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TinheadNed:

ah hang on – it's the web server using the wrong IP for the mythbackend

[19:28:27]

TinheadNed:

that the video_url var?

[19:28:44]

Jusk1:

nope

[19:30:09]

TinheadNed:

no, it's isn't

[19:35:33]

Jusk1:

another lirc_serial reciever completed :)

[19:35:58]

TinheadNed:

well done :)

[19:36:35]

Jusk1:

soon be ready for my ebay shop ;-)

[19:38:44]

TinheadNed:

:D

[19:39:22]

TinheadNed:

hmm, seriously though, can't actually find the server option :/

[19:40:23]

Jusk1:

TinheadNed: try line 41 or so of .htaccess

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Jusk1:

setenv db_server "192.168.1.10"

[19:40:35]

Jusk1:

setenv db_name "mythconverg"

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TinheadNed:

i've set that though

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Jusk1:

all mythweb needs to know about is the mysql DB

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Jusk1:

it finds everything else by that

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TinheadNed:

ah

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RaYmAn-Bx:

TinheadNed: checked that you set both ip's in mythtv-setup and not just the first?

[19:41:41]

TinheadNed:

no, I've figured it now

[19:41:48]

RaYmAn-Bx:

I accidentally did that the first time and mythweb kept trying to connect to 127.0.0.1

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TinheadNed:

one sec

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Jusk1:

and another one done

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Jusk1:

oh shit: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IR-PC-InfraRot-Empfaeng . . . cmdZViewItem

[19:49:01]

Jusk1:

why do I bother? :-/

[19:49:14]

laga:

because shipping from germany might be expensive?

[19:49:22]

Jusk1:

3.99 EUR?

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corpix:

hi

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laga:

Jusk1: humm, ok

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Jusk1:

ah well I have spare LIRC receivers!

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Jusk1:

not as if they cost me anything to make ;-)

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corpix:

"recording plan" says i havent defind any recordings, but : echo "select title from record;" | mysql -p -u mythtv mythconverg | wc -l

[19:50:06]

Jusk1:

now VGA-SCART on the other hand...

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corpix:

26

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laga:

Jusk1: heh. i still need to finish mine ;)

[19:50:53]

Jusk1:

still?

[19:51:10]

Jusk1:

when the last tile is in place this weekend I'll get going with mine

[19:51:34]

Jusk1:

I could still be the sole UK seller of LIRC serial kit though

[19:52:15]

Jusk1:

a dead in the water business seen as serial ports are no longer seen on new PCs

[19:52:38]

Jusk1:

but it'll buy a few beers :-P

[19:52:42]

laga:

Jusk1: i started creating mine like a month ago, but i can't be bothered to do the wiring now. right now, i'm compiling mythtv from svn so i can play with mytharchive ;)

[19:53:06]

Jusk1:

heh. I'm gonna order some cheapo VGA cables for like Â£1 each

[19:53:17]

Jusk1:

you can't buy connectors & hoods for that

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laga:

darn, i should have talked you into making me one :P

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laga:

Jusk1: uh, why not?

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Jusk1:

time now to go watch Keifer Sutherland getting drunk

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Jusk1:

laga: 15 pin VGA connectors are like Â£0.50 each – hoods are another like Â£0.50

[19:54:13]

Jusk1:

but if I buy a 2m VGA cable & cut it in half... ta-da!

[19:54:22]

Jusk1:

money & time saved

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laga:

uh, nice

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Jusk1:

a good idea because my labour is so fucking expensive!

[19:54:50]

Jusk1:

anyway it's mythtvtime

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TinheadNed:

w00t, mythweb works – restarting the backend after changing always helps

[19:55:56]

TinheadNed:

I presume there's no way of allowing for dynamic IPs

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kormoc:

TinheadNed, www.dyndns.org

[19:57:21]

TinheadNed:

kormoc: I meant in my subnet, but yes, the magic of DNS would probably do it

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TinheadNed:

doh

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AlmtyBob:

my mythbackend isn't starting when my pc boots, what do I do to fix that?

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sapbeast:

AlmtyBob: depends on the distro, some have scripts to do that for you

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jk1joel:

I'm thinking of having a single box run two front-ends. Is anyone here doing that?

[20:03:06]

mchou:

sapbeast: get your sata card yet? :)

[20:03:20]

sapbeast:

mchou: sitting at my doorstep at home

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sapbeast:

when i get home ill take care of it

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mchou:

sapbeast: you get it next day via newegg?

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sapbeast:

i guess

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AlmtyBob:

I'm using ubuntu

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AlmtyBob:

is it a crontab thing or do I add it to some startup script?

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sapbeast:

nah not crontab

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AlmtyBob:

I'm pretty new to linux

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sapbeast:

i dont know how ubuntu handles it tho... (i know how to do it in gentoo and redhat :p)

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mlehrer:

AlmtyBob: you should have an init script

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mlehrer:

/etc/init.d/... and /etc/rc2.d/... (assuming run level 2)

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mlehrer:

with my installation, I had to run mythtv-setup as root or the startup script wouldn't work

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haj:

uhm .. dosn't mythtv 0.19 work with ivtv 0.6.2 ?

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haj:

oh.. think i found the problem

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JasonX:

is there a hotkey to bring up a virtual keyboard in myth?

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haj:

weird.. the tuner-names seem to have changed

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kormoc:

JasonX, http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Keybindings

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AlmtyBob:

is there like a live CD for mythtv?

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AlmtyBob:

so I can drop a cd onto mylaptop and have it boot to mythtv with no fuss and no installing?

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sphing:

knoppmyth

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xris:

sphing: doesn't the livecd only do the frontend, though?

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sphing:

hmm, i thought it did backend stuff also since im pretty sure it does hauppauge out-of-the box

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AlmtyBob:

thanks

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sphing:

but i'm not sure

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sphing:

apparently

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sphing:

xris: you have firewire in your setup in seattle?

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kormoc:

the live cd does backend stuff if it's installed to the drive, booting off the live cd only does frontend mode

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sphing:

kormoc for the save

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xris:

sphing: yeah

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sphing:

what firewire card are you using?

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xris:

built-in on my pundit

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sphing:

ah, ok

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Spida:

is anybody here using ivtv-0.6.*? I can'

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Spida:

t get it to load the firmware

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DrNickRiviera:

xris: has it ever been considered to add some implementation of php sessions to mythweb, rather then people having to use .htaccess?

[21:40:45]

xris:

DrNickRiviera: considered and deemed unwanted (by me)... too many extra keystrokes to log in.

[21:41:03]

xris:

I do plan to someday build an htauth/htdigest editor into mythweb, though.

[21:41:22]

xris:

I'd say that only about 50% of people actually use security for mythweb.

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DrNickRiviera:

ok

[21:42:16]

DrNickRiviera:

was thinking something along the lines of being able to activate/deactivate it via a variable in a config file

[21:42:29]

DrNickRiviera:

just think the whole htaccess thing might scare some new users off

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xris:

there are no more config files

[21:43:33]

xris:

and the .htaccess thing is pretty easy to manage. I'd *like* to get another type of auth hooked up, but it's been low enough priority that I haven't really come up with a better option (I think a pop-up login window would do the trick, but it's still annoying for some reason)

[21:44:15]

xris:

I have piles of login type code to play with.. I've managed several different schemes.

[21:44:34]

xris:

most recent (haven't touched in months) and up to date is http://cooktools.forevermore.net/Welcome

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xris:

that code is compatible with a popup or a standalone page. the standalone page ended up being the easiest to use, though

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DrNickRiviera:

i just think people are quite lazy and if they can just dump something in a directory and then click yes, or no depending on whether they want security when they first access mythweb would probably suit most people best

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DrNickRiviera:

but i understand that it doesn't exactly have high priority

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drdaz:

DrNickRiviera, write a script :)

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DrNickRiviera:

as long as there's a way for it to be secure other things are more important

[21:47:18]

DrNickRiviera:

i would, just haven't got the time

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DrNickRiviera:

got 4 exams next week :(

[21:47:35]

DrNickRiviera:

should really be revising right now

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xris:

yeah. I'd love to make it easier to install, but it also has to be not-inconvenient to use... I go to mythweb several times/day and if I had to click a login link every time I did, it'd get annoying really fast (I know because the system I wrote for work does that, and it drives me nuts even though I know it's needed for security)

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DrNickRiviera:

yeah

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haj:

anyone using ivtv 0.6.2 with 0.19 ?

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xris:

DrNickRiviera: could use php's hooks into htauth, too, but then there's no way to log out (not that it would be any different than the current setup).

[21:50:29]

xris:

and no worse than trac

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DrNickRiviera:

yeah, there definitely are a lot of ways one could do it

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xris:

I'm more upset right now that the ui project may not even make the cut.

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DrNickRiviera:

why?

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mchou:

xris: ui project?

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DrNickRiviera:

i applied for that :-/

[21:55:25]

xris:

google's being very quiet about how many slots they're going to give out and there are a lot of other things that are higher priority

[21:55:41]

xris:

DrNickRiviera: yes, and you're in the top 2 for the position, too.

[21:55:54]

DrNickRiviera:

:( and :)

[21:56:11]

xris:

I've stopped reading proposals until we find out how many slots we get, though.

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DrNickRiviera:

how many did you get anyway? if you're allowed to say

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kRutOn:

xris: Google hasn't told you how many slots yet?

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xris:

kRutOn: "hopefully next week"

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DrNickRiviera:

suppose there are something like 80 projects participating

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xris:

DrNickRiviera: we've requested 11 slots, and there are a minimum of 4 projects above the mythweb ui one

[22:01:31]

DrNickRiviera:

and they did 400 projects last year, which is already a hell of a lot of money

[22:01:42]

xris:

I think there are over 100 orgs participating, many of which are much larger than mythtv (gnome, kde, etc)

[22:01:50]

DrNickRiviera:

yeah

[22:02:41]

DrNickRiviera:

they just need to get their priorities right and give myth all 11 projects :D

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kRutOn:

I applied for the automatic configuration and multi-user projects.

[22:03:00]

haj:

2006-05–10 00:02:46.794 Channel::GetCurrentChannelNum(): Failed to find Channel ''

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haj:

2006-05–10 00:02:46.794 Channel(/dev/video1)::TuneTo(): Error, failed to find channel.

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haj:

anyone seen anything like this?

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xris:

DrNickRiviera: that'd rock

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kRutOn:

haj: What's in the startchan field of cardinputs?

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haj:

kRutOn: E7

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haj:

kRutOn: and E10 on my other card.

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kRutOn:

That's a strange channel number

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haj:

not really.. it's from the europe-west table

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xris:

afk, meeting.

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kRutOn:

Is it in channels table?

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haj:

yeb.. and its working with ivtv-tune

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haj:

oh, the next line in the log is:

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haj:

2006-05–10 00:02:46.794 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to E7.

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haj:

seems to me it's not talking to the driver the right way..

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haj:

or something..

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haj:

perhaps 0.6.1 is better.

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kRutOn:

It sounds like a discrepancy between the cardinput and channel.. like the channel it on a different cardinput

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haj:

hm .. perhaps.

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haj:

but it does it on both cards.. and they are configured right as far as i can see...

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haj:

better recheck

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haj:

hm .. can't make the silly thing work..

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haj:

i bet something went wrong with a) ivtv-0.6.2 upgrade or b) the database got fsck'ed rebooting the box.. :o/

[22:20:23]

haj:

both sound a bit unlikely..

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haj:

oh well, i'll dump the db tomorrow and try a fresh install.. i have been meaning to change a few things anyway.. :)

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corpix:

hi, mythtv-setup is scanning for channels: skipping X : encrypted service, but X is _for sure_ not encrpyted

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corpix:

what can i do ?

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imperfect-:

Hey

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imperfect-:

I'm getting a message "Mythtranscode is currently unable to transcode remote files."

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imperfect-:

Is there a setting in my master backend I'm missing?

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Jusk1:

imperfect-: I'd take that meaning literally – as in – mythtranscode is currently unable to transcode remote files

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imperfect-:

well there was nothing else going on

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imperfect-:

wait

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imperfect-:

maybe i need mtd running

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imperfect-:

i dont think I do

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Jusk1:

how about mythtranscode can't transcode files on a different backend?

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Spida:

haj: you have problems with ivtv?

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Spida:

haj: firmware not loading?

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imperfect-:

Jusk1: Oh, it can't?

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Jusk1:

imperfect: I dunno – but that's what it looks like it's saying

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Jusk1:

search the mailing lists

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Jusk1:

time I wasn't here anyway

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RandomDude15:

hey.

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RandomDude15:

Hauppauge WINTV401 PCI Interface TV/FM Tuner Card

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RandomDude15:

does that work good

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RandomDude15:

with mythtv?

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RandomDude15:

like PVR 150?

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RandomDude15:

anyone know?

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scopeuk:

RandomDude15 go paly with google for a bit see if yo ucan get him to tell you f it works in linux

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scopeuk:

this is a channel for peopel with real problems

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RandomDude15:

I'm pretty sure it works with linux. I want to know what the quality is like.

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mishehu:

I'd look on google or the IVTV project page

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scopeuk:

quality of the image will be the same on any os see if you can fidn a review

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RandomDude15:

good idea.

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psofa:

not myth related but :why on video players the opengl output is considered worse than the xv output

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mlehrer:

in the old days XV was better

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psofa:

i mean xv is hw scaling for supported cards right?

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mlehrer:

more recent cards don't have proper xv support

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mishehu:

some don't

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psofa:

so you're saying ogl output is better nowadays?

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mlehrer:

with, say, an nvidia 7800 yes i believe so

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psofa:

what about an older 5200

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mlehrer:

xv is still going to be better on that one

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psofa:

and why is that?

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mlehrer:

it's all about the harrrdware

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mlehrer:

hardware

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psofa:

i mean ogl is supposed to be the same on all cards right?

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mlehrer:

but xv isn't

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psofa:

so you are saying where theres support xv should be preferred

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mlehrer:

ask the guru in #nvidia

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mlehrer:

i believe so, yes

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psofa:

but why is xv preffered

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mlehrer:

seems to work better on my 5200

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psofa:

i was looking for a more technical answer :P

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mlehrer:

heh

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kormoc:

XV offloads scaleing and rotating onto the videocard off of the processor

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kormoc:

and onto the gpu, so it uses less cpu cycles to play back video.

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kormoc:

XvMC offloads some of the decoding onto the GPU, so it uses less of the cpu then just XV does

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kormoc:

mlehrer, and newer cards still have 'proper' Xv support..

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mlehrer:

from what the nvidia guy was saying, the driver supports the xv interface but internally performed them using opengl

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kormoc:

that is true, but that doesn't mean opengl is going to be any faster then the Xv interface

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sapbeast:

now, let us see if im victorious over data corruption

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psofa:

kormoc, but opengl can do hw scaling

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kormoc:

psofa, sure, Xv does as well.

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psofa:

so why is xv better than an ogl driver

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psofa:

*output

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kormoc:

it's just easier to impliment and easier to extend to add filters such as deinterlacing and similar

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kormoc:

opengl's API is really designed for rendering, Xv is designed for video's

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sapbeast:

oh hell yeah, success

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Mattwj2005:

why does MythTV take up so much space?

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