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Sunday, May 7th, 2006, 00:02 UTC

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georgek:

Would anyone happen to know if tv out via a Matrox g550 is possible under xorg 6.8.2?

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Juski:

georgek: google might know

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LLyric:

georgek: I presume that if that card has tv out, it's supported under xorg

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ficusplanet:

Hey everyone. I just installed mythdora on an epia sp 13000 box. The driver in x.org is via and I don't seem to be getting any mpeg-2 accelleration. Am I using the right driver?

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Juski:

ficusplanet: you need xvmc-pro

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Juski:

set mythtv's decoder method to xvmc-pro

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ficusplanet:

Juski: Sweet. Thanks.

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Ediehow:

pro?

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Ediehow:

is that diff than xvmc for nvidia?

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Juski:

Ediehow: xvmc-pro is only for via graphics hardware

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ficusplanet:

Juski: I only see Via XVMC. Is that the same thing?

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Juski:

ficusplanet: yup same thing. when you compile it, its called xvmc-pro

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ficusplanet:

Juski: Oh, cool. Thanks again.

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Ediehow:

k

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Juski:

but seen as you've got mythdora you obviously aren't compiling

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marcus2:

hrm. so i just set up a new mythfrontend, and audio lags when i skip around inside of a recorded program

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Juski:

so don't skip

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marcus2:

uh huh

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Juski:

heh. does it lag on the other frontend(s) ?

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marcus2:

nope, i've never seen this behavior before

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marcus2:

on the other 3 frontends

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Juski:

verify it

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marcus2:

its not happening on the other one thats not turned on

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Juski:

playing the same recording?

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marcus2:

yep

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marcus2:

all recordings do this on the new frontend

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armand:

sounds one one of the playback settings is different/causing it

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Juski:

so it's not the recordedmarkup table then

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Juski:

try a different mpeg decoder method

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armand:

er, sounds like

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marcus2:

yeah, its wierd

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Juski:

utils/setup > settings > tv > playback

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marcus2:

i mean, when the recording is playing normally its fine

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marcus2:

its just that it takes a couple of seconds for the audio to resync to the video when i skip ahead/behind 30 seconds

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Juski:

but it gets there in the end?

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marcus2:

yeah, after a second or two

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Juski:

is the new box on different hardware to the other boxen?

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marcus2:

yeah

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Juski:

slower CPU?

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marcus2:

nope

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Juski:

what speed CPU, anyway?

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marcus2:

dual core 1.6ghz

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Juski:

slow systems can have issues...

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Juski:

ah so not slow then

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marcus2:

i dont think its a performance issue

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marcus2:

mythfrontend looks fine under osx on the same machine

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marcus2:

behaves oddly like this under linux

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Juski:

try setting 'warp audio to maintain audio sync'

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marcus2:

mplayer/xine dont behave this way

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Juski:

enable aggressive audio bufferring to see if that helps too

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Juski:

btw Ediehow did the all-seeing, all-knowing sage of this channel manage to help you fix your problem?

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marcus2:

where are these settings? i dont see them anywhere

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marcus2:

oh i found the aggressive option

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Juski:

ding!

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marcus2:

ahh, that appears to have fixed it

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marcus2:

interesting

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marcus2:

sweet

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marcus2:

now, i wonder why the i810 driver doesnt support xvmc with i945 chips

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marcus2:

i wonder if its related to drm failing

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armand:

haha

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k-man:

i just transcoded a recording and it came out bigger than it started!

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k-man:

whats going on there?

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Juski:

wrong bitrate/size

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Juski:

nobody says mpeg4 has to be smaller filesize than mpeg2 – but quality for quality it usually is

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Juski:

if you set the Q too high... bigger file.. muhahaha

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marcus2:

so this mac mini appears to be a much nicer frontend than the amd i had been using

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Juski:

Aopen came close with their mini PC – but not at the asking price they're after

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k-man:

Juski, so how do i choose a bitrate/size to get a smaller file?

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Juski:

experiment

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marcus2:

the mini is better looking anyway

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Juski:

do some tests & see what kind of quality you can live with

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k-man:

ok

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Juski:

single-pass encodes of any type tend to look a bit crappy IMHO

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armand:

i just leave them raw ;/

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armand:

too much of a pita for all the crap recorded and commflagged

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armand:

well, raw as in mpeg2 from the hardware encoder on the pvr250

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marcus2:

hm, cant wait til the new tv gets here

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marcus2:

then my a/v system will finally be complete

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armand:

hd?

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marcus2:

yah, a 42" 1080p LCD

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armand:

what receivers are you useing?

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marcus2:

oh, sorry

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marcus2:

no HD receivers

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armand:

doh that sucks

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Juski:

42" 1080p? niiice. wish to god we could get em over here

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marcus2:

just PVR-x50s

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armand:

gonna look like p00p

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Jbain:

exit

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marcus2:

yeah, but whatever

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marcus2:

maybe i will get around to getting a HD receiver

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armand:

i want to start upgrading my myth network to hd

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armand:

4 pvr250's to replace ;/

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marcus2:

i'd like to get my hands on some 1080p HD content to test playback on this machine

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Juski:

marcus2: plenty of it about – and free too

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marcus2:

where

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Juski:

google

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Juski:

jees I see the gumption has got up & gone today

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marcus2:

eh, not really sure what to google for

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Juski:

beware the h.264 stuff though – you might have problems with that stuff

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Juski:

in linux at least

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marcus2:

oh hrm

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Juski:

but hey if you can play h.264 without any issues, mpeg2 will be a breeze

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marcus2:

is xvmc useful for mpeg4?

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Juski:

nope

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Juski:

the major players now have h.264 acceleration in their _windows_ drivers for mid-top end cards, so maybe it'll come to linux one day soon

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Juski:

dont hold yer breath for ATI though – still no sign of xvmc for mpeg2 from them

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marcus2:

yeah, this is an intel i945

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marcus2:

apple claims that this hardware can do 1080p under osx

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SlicerDicer-:

YARRR!

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marcus2:

ooo, hmm

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SlicerDicer-:

I just was looking up stuff on noogle goose

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SlicerDicer-:

....

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marcus2:

heres some apple trailers

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah I needs sleep

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marcus2:

hrm, i'm not turning up much on goog

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marcus2:

hm, the machine just barely keeps up with 1080p h.264 trailers from apple

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Captain_Murdoch:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia . . . howcase.aspx

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Captain_Murdoch:

if you have mplayer installed.

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marcus2:

yeah, i have some of that stuff

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marcus2:

it plays ok

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pab:

Hi All! Does nuvexport have it's own channel?

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mythica:

could someone help me with setting up my tv out ?

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mythica:

Its working

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mythica:

but not when X starts

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mythica:

I have been fiddling with the xorg.conf for hours, but not really getting anywhere

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mythica:

http://wiki.arslinux.com/TV-out_for_your_NVidia-card

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mythica:

anyone?

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pab:

mythica, don't know if I can help as I'm a lamb in the woods, but what specifically are you asking?

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mythica:

well i want to output my myth/video onto my tv

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mythica:

and my desktop onto my lcd

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pab:

what capture cards and video do you use

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mythica:

well im using my nvidia fx 5500 to output, so surely my capture card wont matter?

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Juski:

mythica – ok – quickly before I go to bed.. post your xorg.conf in a pastebin

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mythica:

kk

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mythica:

http://pastebin.com/702860

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mythica:

it loads

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mythica:

and the tv flickers

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mythica:

but then just goes blank :(

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mythica:

but my lcd works

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mythica:

so im sure its just wrong res on my tv maybe?

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Juski:

mythica: you have 2 DISPLAY sections in there for the monitor out

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mythica:

i do?

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mythica:

lemme check

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mythica:

I basically copied this guys conf:

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mythica:

http://wiki.arslinux.com/TV-out_for_your_NVidia-card

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mythica:

where did i go wrong exactly?

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Juski:

ah bugger

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Juski:

oops

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Juski:

looks ok to me

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Juski:

ahhh apart from the resolution for the TV out

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Juski:

try putting 800x600 in there

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Juski:

you will prolly get clues from X's startup log too

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mythica:

ok lemme try that

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Juski:

1024x768 is probably too much for TV out

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mythica:

ik

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Juski:

reduce it & see how it goes

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mythica:

how would i check the "proper" res for the tv?

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Juski:

ideally you should try (for SDTV at least) to aim for 720x480 for NTSC or 720x576 for PAL

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Juski:

interlaced modes would be better of course, then you might not need to deinterlace playback of your recordings

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Juski:

mythica: xorg will show you a big list of supported modes in the log when X starts up

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mythica:

if it fails, or always?

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Juski:

mythica: best practise

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Juski:

always try to use the native res. of the display you've got – even better if the recordings are the same res

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Juski:

not all nvidia drivers support 720x576i though

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mythica:

hmm

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mythica:

ok lemme try restart X

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mythica:

btb

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mythica:

brb*

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mythica:

damn

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mythica:

still not displaying

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mythica:

I set the res to 720x576

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mythica:

in my /var/log/Xorg.20.log

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mythica:

I see a whole lot of stuff like this:

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Juski:

mode not supported... like I said try 800x600

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Juski:

hell even 640x480 will prove if it works or not

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mythica:

(II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (vrefresh out of range)

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mythica:

ok lemme try 640x470

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Juski:

480

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mythica:

480*

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mythica:

lol yeah

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mythica:

sis

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mythica:

sos*

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mythica:

brb

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Juski:

800x600 too

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Juski:

you'll get there. I'm going to bed now

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Juski:

night all

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mythica:

thanks Juski

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AlmtyBob:

how do I format a drive as JFS?

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AlmtyBob:

and does it make that big of a difference? will it be alright with ext3?

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garrick:

hi all

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garrick:

anyone else heard of problems with ivtv-fb with newer distros? I upgraded my working mdk10.1 to 2006 and now tvout doesn't work

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garrick:

I tried FC5 too, same thing... corrupt console and no video output

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mall0c:

hello, i am hearing the audio from my capture card all the time unless i mute the linein, how do i make it so i only hear it while watching tv?

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pikhq:

Mute Line-in.

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SlicerDicer-:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/05/the-combimouse/ ok thats not right

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: wow, that's actually a cool idea

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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mchou:

right hand typing must be a bitch thou

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eidolon:

hey folks, i'd like to test an app I just wrote – i'll need someone that has java installed, and is on the same local network as their myth box. better if they have the remote 'telnet' interface enabled in the MythTV frontend config.

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mchou:

lol

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georgek:

eidolon, what's the app do?

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GreyFoxx:

eidolon: I'll taker a look

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eidolon:

it's a desktop remote for controlling mythfrontend from a remote PC.

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georgek:

darn it all, why is mythtv failing to compile with DirectFB?

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georgek:

videoout_directfb.cpp:177: error: too many initializers for `const unsigned int[117][2]'

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GreyFoxx:

I'd be suprised if anyone has made sure that code compiled for directfb in a while

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eidolon:

GreyFoxx: msged you the URL.

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah, turns out my laptop doesn't have any java installed

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eidolon:

oh. thats a problem.

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GreyFoxx:

All I get is listing of the source to that file. a spit out of the xml content

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eidolon:

did you try starting a shell, and going 'javaws <that url>' ? i'm not sure if i misconfigured my webserver or not.

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johnsu01:

hm, is there any way to get the flagged commercials loaded as a cutlist while watching the recording other than pressing Z? I'm trying to do this with just the xbox remote.

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hd420:

anyone using myth with the directv r15?

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Captain_Murdoch:

just turn on auto-skip, no reason to have to have them in a cutlist. you can turn on autoskip via the popup OSD menu

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johnsu01:

Captain_Murdoch: Sure, I was just experimenting with cutting them and transcoding, to save space.

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, you said "while watching the recording", so I assumed you wanted to skip while watching. if you have the END key mapped, that works also.

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Captain_Murdoch:

in place of Z in the editor

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johnsu01:

Captain_Murdoch: Sorry, I said while watching because I'm experimenting with "Edit Recording" via the OSD

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johnsu01:

no end key mapped by default on this remote I don't think, but I'll look into that.

[03:11:42]

GreyFoxx:

eidolon: ITcauses my frontend to crash :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

people have mentioned making the editor OSD menu work better, but no one has sat down to code it yet.

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johnsu01:

Captain_Murdoch: I've only had this setup working for a day, so I'm just playing around with the different capabilities.

[03:12:41]

eidolon:

GreyFoxx: whoah

[03:12:45]

eidolon:

THAT is not supposed to happen.

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GreyFoxx:

2006-05–07 00:10:56.692 NetworkControl: New connection established. (18)

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GreyFoxx:

Killed

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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eidolon:

you should talk to captain murdoch :)

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GreyFoxx:

and after I restart mythfrontend I have to closeand reopen the jremote to make it reestablish the connection

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eidolon:

oh, you got it working!

[03:13:52]

eidolon:

yeha, i don't have a 'reestablish connection' hook in yet.

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georgek:

would anyone happen to know if the vbi supplied closed captioning works with dvb-s cards?

[03:14:31]

johnsu01:

Does anyone have the netflix plugin working? I've been unable to set the login cookie. The script returns a 501 error. The RSS stuff works fine, but I can't edit my queue.

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eidolon:

GreyFoxx: so other than crashing your frontend :) – whadya think?

[03:16:32]

GreyFoxx:

Heh, will be nice to see fuller "remote" and maybe some status windows or controls:)

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eidolon:

well, i'm pulling the 'current status' in the bottom line of the window.

[03:16:53]

eidolon:

it says things like 'MainMenu' and 'Playing...'

[03:17:54]

eidolon:

i'm going to make a few tab interfaces, but i wanted to be able to just change channels and pause things remotely :)

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eidolon:

if i use JNLP, i can keep writing new versions and publishing them, whenver folks re-run the app on their machines, it'll pull the new version.

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eidolon:

i'm glad it's working for you though.

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eidolon:

means i can at least let folks try it :)

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Phantom1000:

Can anyone tell me if it's to run a front end over a wireless G network with WPA?

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Phantom1000:

oops, should have been> Can anyone tell me if it's possible to run a front end over a wireless G network with WPA?

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Ediehow:

yes

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Phantom1000:

I'm getting prebuffering pauses like crazy under .18, any suggestions?

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Ediehow:

are you getting fast speed?

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Phantom1000:

netio shows an avg of about 2 megs over the wireless connection

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sapbeast:

ok im running out of ideas here

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sapbeast:

i still am having problems upgrading my mythtv storage drive

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sapbeast:

the drive tests fine with the seagate tools on the computer its on... yet when i try to copy the stuff over i keep getting problems where the files are getting corrupt

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Ediehow:

Phantom1000: you can optimize the frontend some

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Ediehow:

configure it

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Ediehow:

does livetv not work well, but playback of movies does?

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: you around?

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Phantom1000:

I haven't tried live tv, yet. I've tried hitting hit normally and with NFS with no luck.

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dtm:

Phantom1000: is that megabits (Mb) or megabytes (MB) per sec?

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Phantom1000:

Mb

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dtm:

Phantom1000: and what bitrate is your data stored at

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Phantom1000:

If I'm reading it right, it's 4500

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: yes

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SlicerDicer-:

whats up?

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georgek:

does anyone use a channel scheme into the 10000 size? the last (5th) digit is getting cut off.

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sapbeast:

anyone? an idea what im doing wrong...

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: on your firewire wiki, did you write this? "The point is, most cable company's use 5C to "protect their content", so don't expect to be able to tune in to many if any channels using this method. The only channels they are required by the FCC to leave unprotected are the analog OTA channels which does not include OTA HDTV stations!"

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SlicerDicer-:

no I did not write that

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: I wonder if that's even correct

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SlicerDicer-:

if he said it must be true

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: happen to know who wrote this?

[04:15:43]

SlicerDicer-:

it has to be!

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SlicerDicer-:

yes steve adeff

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: the statement doesnt even make sense

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mchou:

5C only applies to stuff that's greater than 640p, iirc

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SlicerDicer-:

I think so yes

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mchou:

that info is completely off

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mchou:

on analog there is no 5C AT ALL

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: want me to clean it?

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mchou:

on digital there may be 5C, but it originates from the broadcaster, not the cable co

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mchou:

the cable co must not touch the 5C on OTA HD

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: no, not yet.

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AlmtyBob:

I'm walking through the install howto on mythtv.org and I used lspci and verified it sees my Hauppauge 500. Next it tells me to "ensure that your system is loading the bttv modules by typing lsmod | grep bttw

[04:49:05]

AlmtyBob:

I did that and I get nothing

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AlmtyBob:

do I need to install something at this point?

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UBL:

modprobe bttv

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AlmtyBob:

err, so I'm dumb and didn't realize I was reading the section on frame grabbers. Do I still need bttv with a Hauppauge 500 with hardware encoding?

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AlmtyBob:

so I need to install MySQL before I do anything else?

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marmoset:

anyone have a pchdtv card working with myth? I'm able to use it with /dev/dvb/.. stuff, but /dev/video0 doesn't work in myth

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jarango:

What happed to the mythmusic and mythdvd packages on marillat ?

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AlmtyBob:

wow, this whole install process for mythtv seems insanely complex

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Hoochster:

anyone by chance know why all the screen shots for the program guides etc on themes look all pretty and have colors for diff channel program info etc but when I look at them on my system it isn't anything like it? is it something I am missing in setup?

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Scrye:

can someone help me get my sound working?

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dorel__:

has anyone sucessfuly programmed xmame with a remote control? (lirc)

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Scrye:

/dev/dsp can be opened by mplayer and xmms but mythtv barfs on opening it

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Mattwj2005:

hey everyone I just got MythTV (knoppmyth) working

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marmoset:

Scrye: is it a permissions error? like is mythtv running as the same user you're using for xmms and mplayer?

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Scrye:

even as root

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marmoset:

oh ok

[05:30:40]

marmoset:

dunno then

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Scrye:

now for some stupid reason i can hear the TV

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Scrye:

but i hear the real-time audio

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kusznir:

Hi all: I have some questions reguarding IR reciever options and LIRC. Has anyone used the ALSA / mic IR reciever option on their MythTV system? If so, would you recommend it?

[05:31:04]

Scrye:

not the recorded audio

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Scrye:

and i can hear it when im not watching tv

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Scrye:

this is really annoying

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mythica:

hi guys

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mythica:

for some reason my remote wont work with mplayer or xine?

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mythica:

it works everywhere else

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kusznir:

mythica: you need to have configs for xine or mplayer in .lircrc

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mythica:

where does that need to be in ~/ ?

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mythica:

i created a link now, cos i saw the file was in /home/myth/.lircrc

[05:49:30]

mythica:

that shouls do it hey?

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AlmtyBob:

I'm new to linux and don't really know where files are supposed to go...I downloaded the latest ivtv driver tarball to my desktop, where should I put it before I unpack it?

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kusznir:

mythica: as long as their are config blocks in it for xine / mplayer, yes, that should do it.

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mythica:

oh, i am not sure if i have those

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mythica:

ill google for it, thanks

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marmoset:

AlmtyBob: it doesn't matter where you put it to compile it, I like to keep it in /usr/src/

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AlmtyBob:

thanks

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mythica:

whats bttv ?

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mythica:

kusznir, will i be able to use these: http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/zurich/user/lircrc

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AlmtyBob:

holy christ, I did "sudo make" on the ivtv drivers, and it spit out about 100 errors, at least that's how far back my scroll buffer goes

[05:56:27]

mythica:

Can I just add em into my existing one?

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marmoset:

AlmtyBob: sudo make 2>&1 |more

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kusznir:

mythica: Yes, that looks reasonable. You would just add to the end of the file (assuming there arn't already engeries for prog = xine or prog = mplayer)

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marmoset:

there's probably some include error that's generating all the errors, like it not being able to find your kernel source or something

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mythica:

kusznir, cool thanks

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marmoset:

holy crap hdtv can be frustrating

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marmoset:

I swear it's worse than scsi cd burning was back in like 2.0.x and you had to sacrifice goats and stuff

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AlmtyBob:

marmoset: what's 2>&1 do?

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marmoset:

AlmtyBob: it makes stderr go to the same place as stdout

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Varanger:

hello

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Varanger:

Do someone know any adapter dvi->hdmi ??

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marmoset:

AlmtyBob: all the errors are going to standard error, so if you just did |more then the standard out would go to more, and the stderr would keep scrolling on by

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AlmtyBob:

ah

[06:02:10]

AlmtyBob:

thanks, nice to understand one of the 100 commands I've been typing 8)

[06:02:16]

marmoset:

np

[06:02:46]

marmoset:

if you wanted to see the difference more clearly you could do like "whatever >/tmp/stdout 2>/tmp/stderr"

[06:03:05]

marmoset:

but often you just want them all to go to the same place, hence the 2>&1

[06:03:40]

AlmtyBob:

after many personal tragedies in my life I thought I'd run out of tears

[06:03:53]

AlmtyBob:

MythTV installation is proving me wrong

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marmoset:

haha

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mythica:

kusznir, what are "engeries"

[06:04:07]

marmoset:

AlmtyBob: I recommend knoppmyth, it makes it much less frustrating ;)

[06:04:18]

marmoset:

doing it by hand for the first time is pretty daunting

[06:04:27]

AlmtyBob:

is that some nice package tha tworks in Ubuntu?

[06:04:46]

marmoset:

no, it's a complete installation by itself

[06:05:06]

AlmtyBob:

it's a distribution?

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marmoset:

it's based around debian, so it's pretty similar to ubuntu, but it would be a complete reinstall

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AlmtyBob:

ah

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AlmtyBob:

I'm already this far, I'll screw with the manual until I FUBAR something

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kusznir:

mythica: sorry, typo. Entries, i.e., lines.

[06:06:49]

mythica:

oh

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mythica:

hmm its still not working

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mythica:

should i paste bin my .lircrc file?

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kusznir:

shure.

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kusznir:

Oh, are you restarting xine and/or mplayer after making the changes?

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kusznir:

(they only read the file when they startup)

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kusznir:

(same goes for myth)

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mythica:

after ive edited it i have to just close reopen xine and then /etc/init.d/lirc restart hey?

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kusznir:

you don't have to do the lirc restart. In fact, if you do it after running a program like xine, it might break it.

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kusznir:

So I'd quite xine, then start it again, and see if it works.

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mythica:

ok

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mythica:

also i see a lot of entries like this: #remote = xxxxx

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mythica:

thats fine hey?

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mythica:

i can just run xine with "xine dvd:/"

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mythica:

?

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kusznir:

don't think so, re-checking my info.

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kusznir:

yes, starting xine like that, or through the "play DVD" menu option.

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mythica:

im just running it from command line

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kusznir:

(assuiming you've set myth up to use xine)

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kusznir:

Ok.

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mythica:

(not via myth)

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mythica:

is that a problem

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kusznir:

nope

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kusznir:

Ok, the remote stuff isn't an issue; its commented out. That only applies if you wanted to use a seperate (physically different) remote for xine control.

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mythica:

cool

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kusznir:

Note that the example you pasted uses some non-intuitive keys.

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mythica:

http://pastebin.com/703074

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kusznir:

You might also want to try commenting out the "begin standardxine" line.

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kusznir:

(checking your pastebin...)

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mythica:

can u see any problems with that

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mythica:

ok cool lemme give that a shot

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mythica:

how can i check if xine can actually see the lircrc file ?

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kusznir:

Umm...not shure off the top of my head. And my wife is now using the myth system, so I can't mess with it to find out :(

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mythica:

heh

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kusznir:

I see in your config that there are several places where the xine config references remote keys in ALL CAPS, but the myth section does not.

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kusznir:

I don't know for sure if .lircrc is case sensitive, but I'd treat it as if it was.

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kusznir:

I also don't have the hauppage remote (I reused my satellite system's remote for myth), so I don't know of all those buttons exist on there.

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kusznir:

Basically, the theory behind the .lircrc file is that it maps remote buttons (as defined in /etc/lircd.conf) to actions for specific programs.

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mythica:

yeah i see that

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mythica:

ok let me try fiddle

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mythica:

thanks

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kusznir:

When program launches, it looks for ~/.lircrc and reads in the file. It then watches for button presses when it has the focus, and executes them.

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kusznir:

Ok.

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AlmtyBob:

so I'm trying to compile the ivtv drivers, or hell I dunno wtf I'm doing...

[06:24:04]

AlmtyBob:

...but when I type something it tells me to, I get this: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/YL57Ss59.html

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AlmtyBob:

I tried to sudo apt-get install libvideo-ivtv-perl

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AlmtyBob:

but it tells me it's dependent on libconfig-inifiles-perl, but when I try to apt-get install that, it tells me it's dependent on libvideo-ivtv-perl. It's a nasty catch 22, wtf?

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Netslayer:

what's the easiest way to fix the brightness/luma problem with bttv? it looks overexposed and i've tried two bttv cards

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mchou:

Netslayer: easy. dont use bttv cards

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mchou:

Netslayer: they're not much good

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mchou:

Netslayer: also "modinfo bttv" should give you some hints

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mchou:

Netslayer: but they wont do you much good :)

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Netslayer:

i'm playing with that now

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Netslayer:

insmod params

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Netslayer:

does the pvr 150 have a lot better picture in general? i've used the 250 in another box and i think it looks better than a bttv

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mchou:

Netslayer: stay away from analog is the best recommendation :)

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Netslayer:

mchou, i'm actuallying using firewire for my hdtv channels, but it won't work for anything other than broadcast

[06:51:41]

Netslayer:

i even have a pchdtv card but i'm not using it..couldn't get it working with my digital cable

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mchou:

Netslayer: huh??

[06:52:08]

mchou:

what STB is this?

[06:52:17]

Netslayer:

stb?

[06:52:27]

mchou:

set top box

[06:52:32]

Netslayer:

motorola 6200

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mchou:

lol

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Netslayer:

why you laughing?

[06:53:02]

mchou:

you can record analog channels just fine thru firewire with that box

[06:53:17]

mchou:

give it a shot

[06:53:20]

Netslayer:

my broadcast stations work through firewire like cbs, nbc, etc

[06:53:30]

Netslayer:

but when i switch to like G4 it dies

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mchou:

huh??

[06:53:52]

mchou:

what's G4?

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Netslayer:

a station

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mchou:

is that a mac?

[06:54:07]

Netslayer:

techtv

[06:54:12]

Netslayer:

no

[06:54:32]

Netslayer:

all those stations worked when i first got the box, but one weekend all except broadcast just didn't work

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SlicerDicer-:

techtv?

[06:55:45]

SlicerDicer-:

that was back in teh stoneage man

[06:55:47]

SlicerDicer-:

they dont exist anymore

[06:56:06]

SlicerDicer-:

G4 is a joke

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SlicerDicer-:

its like a whorefest gone bad

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Netslayer:

heh

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Netslayer:

I don't think they are required to give me stations like G4, MTV, Discovery over firewire

[06:57:58]

Netslayer:

it would make life so much easier if they did

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Netslayer:

maybe I should say i have a DVHS machine with firewire and it's not working.. that's a valid complaint

[07:02:49]

Netslayer:

when I flip to G4 channel 129 here, mythbackend spews: http://pastebin.com/703099

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mchou:

Netslayer: you need to check if they rolled out 5C

[07:06:08]

Netslayer:

probably did

[07:06:10]

mchou:

simple to do with moto box

[07:06:20]

Netslayer:

the info screen?

[07:06:28]

mchou:

pretty much

[07:06:29]

AlmtyBob:

shspvr is down?

[07:06:36]

mchou:

the service menu

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Netslayer:

i went to cablebox setup and i have like status, A/B, Region, Output, etc here

[07:08:12]

mchou:

Netslayer: there is a wikipedia entry on enetring 6200 service menu

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mchou:

even the mythtv firewire wiki has it :)

[07:09:51]

mchou:

Netslayer: where do you live?

[07:09:58]

Netslayer:

simi valley, CA

[07:10:03]

mchou:

shit

[07:10:05]

Netslayer:

auh found it one sec

[07:10:45]

mchou:

simi is north LA, right?

[07:10:49]

Netslayer:

yup

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marcus2:

woohoo, my intel mac mini running linux is making a great mythfrontend

[07:12:33]

Netslayer:

following the howto, I don't see a D11 "Use the arrows to select d11"

[07:13:46]

marcus2:

i wish mythtv had a better lirc interface

[07:14:23]

Netslayer:

it's a "user settings" not service menu

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mchou:

Netslayer: sue me

[07:14:47]

Netslayer:

heh

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe marcus2

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SlicerDicer-:

marcus2: you do realise however that OSX is capable of running mythfrontend too? I am working on getting it to interface with the frontrow remote :)

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Netslayer:

mchou, i can't believe though that the second week that I get cable here they go 5c

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marcus2:

i'm already using it with the frontrow remote, all i had to do was install linux ;)

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mchou:

Netslayer: haha!!

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marcus2:

i was running mythfrontend under osx for the first couple of weeks

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mchou:

Netslayer: just how life works dude

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Netslayer:

if I have two firewire ports on the back of my cable box does that mean i could have two tuners?

[07:16:59]

Netslayer:

why would they put two on there

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marcus2:

using someone elses binary build

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mchou:

Netslayer: nope

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marcus2:

which has some pretty strange behaviors

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mchou:

Netslayer: to daisy chain

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Netslayer:

auh

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marcus2:

i bought this mini to replace my existing frontend, i always planed to put linux on it

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mchou:

multile firewire devices

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Netslayer:

"Basically the device tuning the channel talks to the devices connected to it via firewire and if it does not get a proper response it will not transmit the signal to the device."

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mchou:

marcus2: what speed proc is in it?

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Netslayer:

i'm surprised someone hasn't figured out 5c yet

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marcus2:

dual core 1.66ghz

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mchou:

marcus2: intel, right?

[07:18:26]

marcus2:

yeah

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marcus2:

everything works pretty well except the onboard audio

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marcus2:

i'm using a usb audio output for now

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: you see my edits?

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Netslayer:

i found the service menu cool..the howto is wrong

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SlicerDicer-:

yep

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mchou:

what's wrong with on board audio?

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marcus2:

no audio output

[07:20:07]

marcus2:

it recognizes the device (intel hd audio)

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marcus2:

some sort of wierd mixer issue i suppose, i figure someone will figure it out eventually

[07:21:37]

marcus2:

i do like the frontrow remote, tho... its too bad mythtv makes it so difficult to use remotes with it wel

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marcus2:

well

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mchou:

marcus2: what's the price of the mini these days

[07:23:02]

marcus2:

$800 for the dual core

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mchou:

shit

[07:23:23]

mchou:

way too expensive :)

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marcus2:

so much nicer than my old livingroom frontend

[07:23:52]

marcus2:

so nice and small and quiet

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mchou:

marcus2: I just wanna know if it has enough juice to decide 1080i :)

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mchou:

decode*

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Netslayer:

very interesting

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Netslayer:

according to the service menu my channels are not 5c'd

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marcus2:

yeah, i was playing some 1080p h.264 and wmv-hd stuff on it

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marcus2:

it just barely keeps up

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marcus2:

but it looks good

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mchou:

Netslayer: then you have some other problem :)

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marcus2:

there is some sort of wierd issue with h.264 playback tho

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marcus2:

it is oversatured

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Netslayer:

mchou, well that's very odd that only broadcast stations work then

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marcus2:

the motion is smooth tho

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mchou:

Netslayer: most likely the box thinks you arent subscribed

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mchou:

Netslayer: does stuff show up on non-firewire

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Netslayer:

ohya

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dorel__:

has anyone sucessfuly programmed xmame with a remote control? (lirc)

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mchou:

Netslayer: weirdness

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Netslayer:

auh!

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Netslayer:

"Current Channel Status" TYPE: DIGITAL ENC 0x12

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Netslayer:

vs

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Netslayer:

"Current Channel Status" TYPE: DIGITAL VLR 0x12

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Netslayer:

CLR not VLR

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marcus2:

so are people here doing hd stuff with myth?

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Netslayer:

ohya

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mchou:

Netslayer: what's VLR stand fo?

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mchou:

for*

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Netslayer:

i meant CLR = clear ENC = encoded

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Netslayer:

or encrypted

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marcus2:

is it possible to do hd with myth with anything but ota?

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AlmtyBob:

is shspvr down for good? is there a mirror?

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mchou:

marcus2: sure. firewire STB, and pray no 5c in your neighborhood yet

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marcus2:

5c?

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AlmtyBob:

I need pvr_1.18.21.22254_inf.zip something fierce

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Netslayer:

haha rofl, 5c implementation 1 ... it's now 1

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Netslayer:

it was showing 0 before

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Netslayer:

marcus2, you can get broadcast stations from your cable box through firewire

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marcus2:

in hd?

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** marcus2 ponders **

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marcus2:

my hdtv arrives in a week

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marcus2:

i need some content for it heh

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mchou:

marcus2: yeah, in HD if no 5C :)

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marcus2:

what is fc?

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mchou:

marcus2: where you live?

[07:38:26]

marcus2:

er 5c

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marcus2:

california

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mchou:

where in CA

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marcus2:

santa cruz

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marcus2:

in comcast territory

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mchou:

marcus2: you might be SOL

[07:41:21]

mchou:

5C may already be there

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marcus2:

what is 5c?

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mchou:

doesnt huret to rent a STB for $5

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mchou:

hurt

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marcus2:

i guess maybe i will

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Netslayer:

marcus2, hell

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Netslayer:

marcus2, drm

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marcus2:

ahh

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Netslayer:

interesting read http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2005 . . . /111031.html

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dorel__:

im unable to rip the dvd with subtitles... :(

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dorel__:

anyone ever succeeded?

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AlmtyBob:

is knoppmyth just like a normal linux distro other than the installation?

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AlmtyBob:

like can I use it a filserver without issues and all that?

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dorel__:

yep

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AlmtyBob:

hmm, cool

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AlmtyBob:

because I'm about to murder someone trying to setup these ivtv firmware

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Netslayer:

bah i'm so filing the fcc complaint.. my dvi is not enabled on this stb and adelphia agreed with me

[08:03:17]

AlmtyBob:

I have the firmware in the right director

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AlmtyBob:

y

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AlmtyBob:

err, in SEVERAL right directories in ubuntu, but dmesg | grep ivtv keeps telling me it can't load the firmware

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Hoochster:

anything special to ripping a dvd, I got the mtd daemon running and a dvd is in the drive, but when I tell it to import dvd it says no jobs. checking and/or waiting for dvd?

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AlmtyBob:

can anyone dcc me pvr_2.0.24.23035.zip ?

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AlmtyBob:

please

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AlmtyBob:

shspvr is down and I'm kinda screwed at the moment

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marmoset:

AlmtyBob: http://malformed.org/pvr_2.0.24.23035.zip

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AlmtyBob:

ah thanks

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marmoset:

np

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AlmtyBob:

Can't open /tmp/ivtvex.9938/hcwpvrp2.sys: No such file or directory

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AlmtyBob:

when I try to run ivtvfwextract.pl

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marmoset:

dunno :/

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garrick:

anyone know what sound device the internal DVD player uses?

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Niklas_E:

can you specify a alsa device that it should have the audio from? like alsa,0,1 or something

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RaYmAn-Bx:

garrick: I would suspect it uses exactly the same as the "tv player"...

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garrick:

RaYmAn-Bx: livetv and recorded shows play audio fine (pvr350 tvout), and mythmusic plays fine (sound card output)... but there's no sound from the internal dvd player

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garrick:

hooche: hit "0" after selecting the titles to be ripped

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garrick:

Hoochster: hit "0" after selecting the titles to be ripped

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Hoochster:

the prob was my dvd drive wasn't symlinked as /dev/dvd once I did that it worked, and then I had to figure out your answer hehe but did figure it out

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Hoochster:

thank you

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Hoochster:

I notice you can go off and watch tv while it is ripping that is pretty slick

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Niklas_E:

can you in mythtv make so it make "v4lctl volume mute off" and when you go to the dvb card do "v4lctl volume mute on"?

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dorel__:

just a thought – in the mythnews module where i define rss feeds and once i click on their links the mythweb is launching... is it possible to define for links like http://[blabla].mp3 to run mplayer with the url instead of mythweb?

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AlmtyBob:

someone kill me

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AlmtyBob:

is there an easy way to tell knoppmyth's installer to use /sda?

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majnoon:

hi

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Juski:

morning

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majnoon:

just installed mythtv and pic lags like 3–5 seconds behind sound

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** Juski guesses that majnoon hasn't muted the line input of his soundcard **

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majnoon:

tvcard plugs into linein

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Juski:

and set the channel audio is recorded from to the input the TV card is plugged into

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majnoon:

??

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** Juski suggests majnoon takes a look at the 'troubleshooting audio' section here: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.4 **

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Juski:

morning Coume

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Coume:

morning all

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Coume:

morning Juski :)

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Juski:

did you get the presenting job? :-P

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Coume:

how is it going?

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Juski:

taking a break from cutting a tile by hand :-/

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Juski:

we finish the tiling today!

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Coume:

then you will be happy no more DIY for few months ;)

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Coume:

the interview went well, have to wait the second interview now...

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Juski:

til I have to fix the demo system for the lugradio show

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Coume:

eheh

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majnoon:

ok THAT works now

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majnoon:

now how fix guide ??

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majnoon:

it says tv1 in myth and myth-setup says tv

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majnoon:

juski you awake ?

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majnoon:

ok 1 question on watching tv getting CHOPPY sound tvtime working perfectly

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majnoon:

and playing dvd's work ok too it JUST tvcard

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majnoon:

ok 1 question on watching tv getting CHOPPY sound tvtime working perfectly

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beakster:

hi

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LLyric:

Quick question – my mythbackend appears to be using 188M of ram, with only 14M resident. Do I really need more memory, or has it got a lot of stuff that it doesn't really need?

[12:22:35]

beakster:

I've just set up a second mythtv frontend. Problem is that when i watch a recording i got sound but no video. Is there something i have forgotten to install;?

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psofa:

has there been any improvement since 0.19 in dvb tuning speed?

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GreyFoxx:

supposedly there has been significant improvements in svn

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GreyFoxx:

though I can't test it

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psofa:

GreyFoxx, any links about it?

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psofa:

im desperate ill try anything

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GreyFoxx:

not really. I was watching it being talked about in the dev channel maybe a week ago

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GreyFoxx:

I think the code was commited to the svn tree, but I couldn't say for sure

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psofa:

and what was the general idea?

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GreyFoxx:

I wasn't paying that close an attention :)

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psofa:

:(

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GreyFoxx:

mostly just noted "it cut tuning in half"

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psofa:

!!!!!!!!!

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psofa:

that sounds good

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, definately a positive change :)

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fozi:

psofa: code is commited, I think rev 9824 or something like that. Tuning is constantly 4 seconds now instead 6–8s

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psofa:

fozi, really good news

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Cyberai:

does anyone know how to fix the problem of "mythbackend dead but pid file exists". I already reset the permissions of my /mnt/store to be owned by mythtv, to no avail.

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scopeuk:

think i broke my box its now crawling

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scopeuk:

i take it bttv shoudldent stream erro messages at me?

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Juski:

Cyberai: the pid file is a file which is written to /var/run to signify the program is running

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Juski:

delete the file & start up mythbackend again – then try to find out why mythbackend crashed

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Juski:

and no scopeuk – I thought you'd have got a clue by now ;-)

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scopeuk:

yeh guessed as much

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scopeuk:

ill try adn get a sample then hit google

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scopeuk:

this box is gettign abbuesed for more nad more none myth projects

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scopeuk:

timte to attempt to compile new version of bttv me thinks

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Juski:

ah see – that's where you're going wrong. what the hell are you doing with the box?

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scopeuk:

there is a web application

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scopeuk:

nothign extra is running

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scopeuk:

jsut stuff i can run that needed a linux host

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scopeuk:

i have a demo loader for nintendo ds and a torrent downlaod system installed

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Juski:

that shouldn't bork it

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scopeuk:

no

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scopeuk:

but ivhad theseerros scince install

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scopeuk:

these erros since i isntalled

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scopeuk:

oflow eros

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scopeuk:

lots of them

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Cyberai:

Juski – I just deleted the pid file and re-ran mythbackend. I found this in the log ... "No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP. Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page". Does it mean to run mythsetup or something else?

[14:54:59]

Cyberai:

I look in mythtvsetup and it's set to the ip of 127.0.0.1

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LLyric:

configuration settings are stored in your database as "host,name,value"

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LLyric:

where "host" should be unique for each machine

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LLyric:

(each frontend that is)

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psofa:

no

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Juski:

Cyberai: well you really should check the documentation. none of this is rocket science

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psofa:

i think it means it doesnt know where mysql databse is

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Juski:

Cyberai: which user are you running mythbackend as?

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Juski:

root or mythtv?

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Cyberai:

I think I may have found it, I changed my hostname from localhost to mythtv, I just changed it back. let me see if that works

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Juski:

don't change localhost – if you want a different hostname put that in /etc/hosts too

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psofa:

or else you will end up with wierd things

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psofa:

such as gnome crawling

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psofa:

:D

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psofa:

2006-05–07 18:05:13.070 AutoExpire: ERROR when trying to autoexpire file: /mnt/store/recordings/1590_20060413012250.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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psofa:

any idea how will i get rid of these errors?

[15:05:23]

psofa:

any clean command?

[15:05:33]

scopeuk:

im havign a bad day i think mythweb is crashing my browser repeatedly (any of them) and bttv is spiting lots of errors as per http://pastebin.ca/54023

[15:05:34]

Juski:

yeh fix your system so it actually records stuff

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psofa:

Juski, i think it actually does

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scopeuk:

psofa is the file there if you go there yourself?

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psofa:

but maybe it didnt some time ago

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Juski:

psofa: use the touch command to create a 0 byte file

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psofa:

and there are remnants maybe

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psofa:

scopeuk, lemme check

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Juski:

or just do > /mnt/store/recordings/foo.mpg

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psofa:

Juski, do you know ehere this particular recording was to be recorded by the filename?

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psofa:

13/4/06 ?

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Juski:

yeh

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psofa:

so its what i was saying

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psofa:

i had a prob recording before

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psofa:

my time settings where messed up

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psofa:

and these are the remnants :)

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Juski:

errr, good

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Servo888:

crap ivtv's website is down... anybody know where I can find the latest 0.6.0 versions?

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Juski:

nowhere..

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Juski:

shspvr's ftp was down yesterday and now this again – they seriously need mirroring

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Servo888:

I could mirrow for them... I've got like so much wasted bandwidth

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Juski:

Servo888: wtf is this then? http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Download

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Servo888:

wtf is what Juski?

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Servo888:

It keeps timing out for m

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Servo888:

me*

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Juski:

works fine here

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Servo888:

Server not found

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Servo888:

Juski, are you sure it's just not cached some where?

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Juski:

yup

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Servo888:

can you get me the file name? complete with .tar.gz of version 0.6.0?

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Juski:

but try www.juski.co.uk/ivtv-0.6.2.tar.gz

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Juski:

maybe your ISP uses transparent proxies

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Servo888:

yah that worked

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Juski:

sort out your ISP or get onto them about having up to date DNS

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Juski:

or whatever...

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Juski:

;-)

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Servo888:

wtf Juski, tar zxvf ivtv-0.6.2.tar.gz – gzip: stdin: not in gzip format

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Juski:

Servo888: try http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ivtv-0.6.2.tar.gz

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Juski:

my stoopid domain hosting service strikes again

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Servo888:

ok I'm good – the ivtv site is working again

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Zider:

g'day Juski

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Juski:

hey Zider

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Zider:

'sup?

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Juski:

jus having a breaky

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Juski:

almost finished the messy parts of finishing off the bathroom

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Zider:

breaky is nicey :)

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Zider:

cleaning time?

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Juski:

3 more tiles to do, then it's back to the woodworking

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Juski:

I'm fucking sick of it now, I think it's fair to say

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Juski:

all houses should have like a 'buffer' room where you can keep one room for doing up as you go

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Zider:

hehe

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Zider:

I just don't clean very often ;)

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Juski:

it's a bitch when you have to have a functioning room at the same time

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Juski:

like this tiling – if Id been able to do it before putting the new suite in....

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Juski:

rather than cutting stupid shapes out

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Juski:

next time... (what fucking NEXT time?!)

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Juski:

;-)

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Zider:

hmm, I'm not sure I understand what you're doing anymore.. :)

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Juski:

we gutted the bathroom

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Juski:

big snag was that we still had to be able to bath & go to the toilet

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Zider:

oooh, you're painting and putting up new tiles and stuff?

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Juski:

a wall needed levelling but the old toilet was in the way

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Juski:

I've replaced everything

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Zider:

I thought you were just cleaning

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Juski:

oh god no

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Juski:

new floor, new ceiling, new lights, new bath, etc etc etc

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Zider:

figures.. three tiles takes no time at all to clean :D

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

best get back to it

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Zider:

unless someone splattered his.. uh, never mind..

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JloR:

Hi, I can't seem to change channels on my setup anymore..

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JloR:

http://pastebin.ca/54056 this is the output I receive in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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JloR:

seems it can't find the channel, and change to it.. Happened after I changed the channels in mythtv-setup to be found via frequency, not via TV channels (because the latter was looking pretty bad, compared to the former).

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JloR:

and also.. it keeps adding a lot of channels I added through tv_grab_dk earlier.. Now i want them gone.. This is all pretty confusing, and at first I knew what I was doing, now I'm just plain confused.

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TummyAcid:

can anyone tell me how to get the commercials out of my transcoded .mpg files? ive checked the forums and all i see are lots of similar questions to mine with no replies

[18:06:21]

TummyAcid:

im using knoppmyth btw

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mchou:

TummyAcid: RTFM

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mchou:

TummyAcid: that's why those post havent got any replies

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mchou:

in particular keys.txt

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TummyAcid:

hrmmm been doing that all weekend... they are flagged however there is no cutlist and im not using mythfrontend becuase my mythbox is at my friend's hosue and im just trying to get it to record .mpg

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TummyAcid:

do i HAVE to use mythfrontend to remove commercials?

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JloR:

hmm, a simpler question then.. seems my last question was either too wide or too narrow :)

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** stuarta is very tempted to use the trout **

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mchou:

TummyAcid: no, but if you expect accuracy you probably should use the frontend

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JloR:

When specifying the frequency for channels.. Should I do it with 123,45 or 123.45 ?

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TummyAcid:

im not too concerned about accuracy at this point, i am just sick of waiting three hours between recording, transcoding, and downloading the files to see if i got the sound levels and stuff right... if i didnt have to transcode and download the commercials this process may speed up a little

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mchou:

TummyAcid: huh???

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TummyAcid:

i dont have cable, my friend does have it, so isetup a mythbox at his house so i can catch some cooking shows that i cannot see at my house

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

TummyAcid: stealing cable AND file shareing :)

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TummyAcid:

hes out of town and his place is locked up tight but ican access all the computers thru ssh and so ive got the box up and running but the capture volumn is way too high

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TummyAcid:

hey we both throw in on the cable bill

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mchou:

TummyAcid: oh, and you hacking his computers too :)

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TummyAcid:

actually they are my computers, just using his electriciy and real estate

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scopeuk:

lol

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mchou:

TummyAcid: you live in a trailer park? :)

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scopeuk:

tummy acide aumixer -V all

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TummyAcid:

also i work at four am so i have been missing most of my favorite late night tv thats on broadcast tv

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TummyAcid:

i prefer alsamixer -V all actually

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scopeuk:

then do it and turn the volume down

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TummyAcid:

but anyway the whole prob is i have to record, transcode, and download an epp just to see if ive turned it down enough/too much

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scopeuk:

stream it

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TummyAcid:

that takes three hours... just to tap the volumn again and see if its any better

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marcus2:

man, its amazing how hot this amp gets

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scopeuk:

liek i say record say 5 mins then stream the fiel over

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scopeuk:

or jsut record 5 mins

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TummyAcid:

i was hoping i could cut out the commercials and maybe cut down on this time

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scopeuk:

cut down everyhtng else drasticaly

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mchou:

shit

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scopeuk:

mchou?

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TummyAcid:

ya id like to do that, but the $#@$ing telnet rpc isnt responding anymore

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mchou:

just record for 3 min

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Juski:

an amp == one volt through a one ohm resistor

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marcus2:

amplifier

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TummyAcid:

and i dont know any other way to manaully start and stop recording over an ssh tunnel

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mchou:

TummyAcid: you should have set up ssh

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scopeuk:

juski a amp is a culomb per second

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Juski:

yes yes – which is also... blah

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scopeuk:

tummy tunnel port 80 via ssh

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scopeuk:

the physics student ducks

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mchou:

TummyAcid: it's called xfowarding. just run mythfrontend once you've sshed in

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TummyAcid:

ya i got the web iface forwarded as well, very nice touch might i add

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scopeuk:

then jsut use that to setup a recording

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Juski:

yeh well at least secure it with htaccess

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marcus2:

this amp uses ~3.3amps at idle, heh

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TummyAcid:

oh man ive tried that xforwarding stuff before what a headache

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Juski:

you dont want me coming up & schedule recordings you dont want.. muahahaha

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scopeuk:

i thought it was s breze last time i did it

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mchou:

TummyAcid: what headache

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TummyAcid:

and yes my very next priority is to secure wtih .htaccess

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scopeuk:

and my xserver was on windows

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Juski:

.htaccess isn't very secure though – but it's better n nothing

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TummyAcid:

well its been about a year since ive tried xforwarding i suppose this would be a good time to try again... boy am i glad im done with this semister

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mchou:

there is virtually no need to setup at all for sh X forwarding

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scopeuk:

or better security only let it out the box through an ssh tunnel

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scopeuk:

mythweb that is ^^^^

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TummyAcid:

as i recall you have to run an xserver that allows remote connections on the mythbox

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Juski:

marcus2: 3.3A idling? ouch! I saw you mention a radioshack bidirectional amp... you know for the tuner cards you could've just got a unidirectional one – but make sure it's put on _after_ your cable modem/set top box

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TummyAcid:

and what kind of client woudl i run on my terminal? saddly i am stuck with windows

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marcus2:

sorry, audio amplifier :)

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marcus2:

with a whole bunch of vacuum tubes in it

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TummyAcid:

windows on my end that is

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Juski:

3.3A at idle? shit!

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scopeuk:

tumy i do it

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Juski:

valves.. lol

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marcus2:

yeah hehe

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marcus2:

sounds nice tho

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marcus2:

and oooo so loud

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mchou:

what amp is this that uses 3.3A t idle?

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Juski:

VNC for desktop, putty for plain ole SSH

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TummyAcid:

is vnc free?

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Juski:

mchou: that'd be the heaters in the valves

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scopeuk:

if you want poroper x forwarding use xming

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Juski:

course VNC is free

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marcus2:

mchou; a very large tube-based power amp

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mchou:

marcus2: ever heard of global warming?

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marcus2:

i cant turn it up past like 25%.. it hurts

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Juski:

the grids in the valves need heating up before any electrons will leap across the gap

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mchou:

marcus2: I dont get it. you have mac mini but tube amps?

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Juski:

retro is the new emperor's new clothes ;-)

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marcus2:

yeh, kinda funny heh

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mchou:

you carry a car battery for your ipod?

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Zider:

Juski: toob audio?

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marcus2:

i dont have an ipod

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Juski:

marcus2: portable reel to reel tape deck? :-P

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marcus2:

someone gave me this stereo is all

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marcus2:

its so much nicer than the bookshelf stereo i was using

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Juski:

Zider: yeh someone brought out a motherboard whose onboard audio had a valve output stage :-/

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Zider:

Juski: I assume that means tubes, considering the topic right now?

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Juski:

anything's better than those all-in-one 'hifi' things.. sheesh

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Juski:

Zider: yeh

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mchou:

Juski: they had to get the tub from Russia? :)

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Zider:

Juski: I'd like that :P

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mchou:

tube*

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Juski:

they probably did

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marcus2:

the hifi sounds pretty good

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Servo888:

Ok I need to figure out how to tune my cable signal... I'm getting a black border on the left side, and on the top a small border that's just staticy. It's only like maybe 5 lines on top from the 480 dpi's.

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Juski:

Servo888: what video mode are you running in?

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mchou:

Servo888: that's normal

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Juski:

just tap your overscan up a touch

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TummyAcid:

alright so ive install vnc... i need to ssh-forward port 6000 or something on the myth box cos its behind a firewall, correct?

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Servo888:

I don't want to touch overscan because the crap still appears in the recordings

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mchou:

Servo888: lol

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Juski:

Servo888: you wouldnt normally see the crap on your TV

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mchou:

it's supposed to appear in the recordings

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Servo888:

hmm

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Juski:

TVs overscan by 5–10% or more, so you'd never, ever see it

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Servo888:

oh ok... I didn't know that = hmm

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mchou:

Servo888: it's called vbi

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Juski:

even plasmas & LCDs overscan – well some do anyway

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mchou:

or more appropriately line21

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Juski:

it's a throwback to when timing circuits weren't very precise – they did it so that nobody had black borders onscreen

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Juski:

and nowadays they take advantage of the fact you ain't supposed to see it, by putting crap in the lines of the video they think you can't see

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Servo888:

So the line on the left side of the screen, tha's also suppose to be there?

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Juski:

kind of

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Juski:

you're not missing anything, put it that way

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Juski:

adjust the amount of overscan on your TV out til they juuust go away

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Servo888:

ok

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Hoochster:

is there something in myth to tone down its buffer mpgs? they are huge? also I get lots of missing ones while trying to expire anyone know where that is in the db to remove

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TummyAcid:

im having trouble with .htaccess on mythweb... its turned on but the man page is completely useless as it contains no examples of how to use htdigest

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TummyAcid:

whahoo ok it worked

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TummyAcid:

i guess realm has no real bearing on anything in my case

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Servo888:

hmm mythbackend is erroring out with: start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --chuid mythtv --exec /usr/bin/mythbackend --make-pidfile --pidfile /var/run/mythbackend.pid | saying something like... 2006-05–07 14:42:18.376 Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt, 2006-05–07 14:42:18.377 Could not create /root/.mythtv, 2006-05–07 14:42:18.377 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.

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TummyAcid:

Servo888: do you have enough disk space? does mysql.txt exist?

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TummyAcid:

ar you root? these are just the places id start

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Servo888:

yes I'm root... Lots of disk space

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Servo888:

mysql.txt exists in /root/.mysql/mysql.txt

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Servo888:

grr not mysql mythtv*

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TummyAcid:

hrmmm well if its trying to create /root/.mythtv but you say it already exists perhaps there is a discrepency there

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Servo888:

I think it has something to do with the chuis mythtv, if it's root – it seems to work

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Servo888:

oh I see

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AlmtyBob:

anyone here use ubuntu? when I try and modprobe ivtv, it says the firmware can't be found, even though I copied the properly named firmware files do every dir in "FIRMWARE_DIRS"

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test34:

sometimes mythtv just freezes.. I need to restart it (I have hauppauge 250..) any fix for that problem ?

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ivor:

test34: anything logged by mythfrontend.

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speedsix:

Hi all

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test34:

ivor, let me check

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test34:

/home/user/mythfrontend.log right ?

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Servo888:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP. | but I ran mythtv-setup... Though on another user.

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ivor:

test34: depends on your setup.

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test34:

ivor, do I need to turn logging on ? because I dont see it

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ivor:

how often does it hang. what do you do that triggers it.

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ivor:

mythfrontend -v playback is probably a good start

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speedsix:

Slightly off topic but can anyone help with a samba share that's giving me problems on my mythbox?

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ivor:

test34: alternatively next time it hangs, attach gdb to the process and get a backtrace

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test34:

ivor, it hangs pretty often and sometime I'm just watching tv doing nothing

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test34:

thanks I will try that too

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drdaz:

does anybody know if theres a way of fixing the flicker issue with xvmc and zoomed AR's?

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TummyAcid:

hmmm heres a neat trick

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TummyAcid:

set it to record a show, then give a negetive number for the 'end late' field... now i only have five min worth of video to transcode and download

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Servo888:

Ok that's interesting... I click Watch TV, but it just jumps back to the main screen.

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xris:

Servo888: you'll get an error on the commandline

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xris:

esp. if you use `mythfrontend -v all`

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Servo888:

Yah "GetEntryAt(-1) Failed

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Servo888:

and failed to get pg info

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TummyAcid:

is it easy to recompile knoppmyth to enable xvid codec?

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TummyAcid:

or would that be recompiling nuvexport

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xris:

nuvexport isn't compiled

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xris:

you need to either recompile ffmpeg or transcode, depending on which you are using

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TummyAcid:

my mistake, its ffmpeg that i must recompile

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xris:

or find a repository that has a better version (like multiverse)

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TummyAcid:

id like to do this with as little change to the entire system as possible

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TummyAcid:

ive compiled many many things in the past, do you think it woudl hose my system if i just got a new tarball and did make?

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TummyAcid:

for ffmpeg

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TummyAcid:

im using knoppmyth btw

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xris:

that's why I recommended switching apt repositories, so you don't have to recompile

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TummyAcid:

sounds easy enough

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Spida:

AlmtyBob: I have got the same problem on gentoo

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Spida:

anybody here running ivtv-0.6.2?

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TummyAcid:

do i have to replace any of the repositories? or can i just append more sites (like multiverse) to the sources.list

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AlmtyBob:

spida: do you have the zip?

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AlmtyBob:

the firmware zip that is?

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AlmtyBob:

I saw on a forum that someone put their firmware in /lib/firmware/<kernel ver>/ and it worked for some and not others

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Spida:

hm, I have the old firmware, but I have no clue where to put it

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AlmtyBob:

err, could you dcc me the zip? 8)

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AlmtyBob:

and did you try rebooting?

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Spida:

I don't have the zip anymore

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scopeuk:

could a blank screen in live tv show that my tv card drivers are dead?

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Spida:

no, modprobe didn't work

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TummyAcid:

is it safe to do apt-get upgrade? does knoppmyth use some special packages that this would overwrite? im really just trying not to tank my system before the one night of the week i want to record a lot of tv

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olejl:

Has anyone successfully used Pinnacle PCTV 50i with mythTV?

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xris:

TummyAcid: apt will tell you if it overwrites things

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scopeuk:

TummyAcid if your not fond of your box go right ahead but knopmyth is notorious for self destucting if you change any packages usign apt

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xris:

scopeuk: it is?

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TummyAcid:

alright ill hold off until wednesday, then i can get my grubby little fingers on hte box cos if it tanks now its locked up till wednesday

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TummyAcid:

in the mean time ill do w/o xvid

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scopeuk:

xris its temprimental with dependacys

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scopeuk:

forinstance isntallign firefox with apt breaks it

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xris:

scopeuk: ahh

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xris:

that's lame

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TummyAcid:

when i get the chance im going to do a real debian install and try to configure mythtv from there

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scopeuk:

although ive been able to do quite alot of stuff to it without killing it too mant library changes and its dead

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xris:

TummyAcid: you might have more luck with ubuntu (not that you wouldn't with debian, but most of the devs use ubuntu)

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TummyAcid:

i currently admin about seven various debian installs for various reasons, im just way more familiar with it but i def need to see what all the ubuntu fuss is about

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AlmtyBob:

I just installed mysql-server and it's asking me to configure postifx, do I need to do anything?

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xris:

TummyAcid: from what I've heard, ubuntu is basically bleeding-edge debian, with a hefty lean toward workstation rather than server.

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xris:

but I've never used debian, and ubuntu rubbed me the wrong way

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Criten:

Hi

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Niklas_E:

howcome does I have to do "v4lctl volume mute off" in debian but in slackware I don't have to?

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Criten:

how do i run mythtv

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Criten:

im using slackware

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xris:

Criten: most of that is covered in the documentation

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AlmtyBob:

first thing you need to do is gather the tears of broken children

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AlmtyBob:

if you don't have those, it'll make you shed your own tears

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Criten:

well... i gess that would count as childrens tears

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Criten:

is there a comand or something...?

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xris:

Criten: seriously, the official documentation is probably the best thing to help you when compiling for slackware. If you run into trouble, people here can usually help, but you're not likely to find someone who will walk you through the whole process when the documentation is out there and written already

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Criten:

thats what im looking at

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Criten:

it installed... i think

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Criten:

and im trying to run it

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xris:

then run mythtv-setup

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Criten:

where does mythtv install to..

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AlmtyBob:

criten: http://www.quietglow.com/docs/ubuntumythtv.html

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xris:

where you tell it to

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AlmtyBob:

there's a decent unbuntu guide

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xris:

AlmtyBob: that probably won't help with slackware

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AlmtyBob:

oh don't mind, only 1/3rd paying attention

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AlmtyBob:

trying to install myself 8)

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xris:

Criten: compiling programs by hand generally puts them in /usr/local/

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speedsix:

Hi all

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AlmtyBob:

attempt #8

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xris:

AlmtyBob: man, I haven't had install issues since like .13. heh

[20:13:02]

xris:

then again, fedora is pretty easy to deal with when it comes to mythtv.

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speedsix:

Quick (possibley v stupid) question, why when I delete recordings it doesn't seem like it's freeing up any space. I don't think it's deleting the actual .mpg files?

[20:14:32]

xris:

speedsix: check permissions

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xris:

and look in the recordings directory

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Criten:

im going to compile it again..

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xris:

Criten: install ccache if you plan on compiling a lot

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xris:

but just install again and you should probably be fine

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speedsix:

sorted thanks

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scopeuk:

xris could it be deleating symlinks

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scopeuk:

but not the real files

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speedsix:

I did notice I have a load of .nuv files mixed in with .mpg?

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xris:

scopeuk: mythtv doesn't make symlinks

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xris:

speedsix: you probably transcoded them

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scopeuk:

yeh jsut rememebr seign an option it whould be possible if nto sane to do it with a user job though

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xris:

scopeuk: fix your typing fingers. :)

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speedsix:

so .mpg are the originals and .nuv the transcoded files? I thought myth used .mpg now?

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xris:

speedsix: myth doesn't create mpg by default, no... software encode is still nuv

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xris:

you need to turn on lossless transcoding if you want to keep things in mpg when you cut commercials

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scopeuk:

xris im working on it

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scopeuk:

along with te GUT

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AlmtyBob:

xris: using ubuntu, took my 6 installs just to get ubuntu running because my bios was designed by a million monkeys with a million cmos chips

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xris:

AlmtyBob: lame

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AlmtyBob:

and then shspvr was down causing all sorts of hell, my guides were outdated, etc

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Criten:

is it spose to say "failed to distribute" running locally instead

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speedsix:

xris, all my large (i.e GB) files are .mpg and all the .nuv are in the kbs?? Sorry bit confused

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AlmtyBob:

my bios thinks SATA4 should be the first HDD, that really pissed off grub

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SlicerDicer-:

AlmtyBob: I was reading once that if you got enough monkies banging away on a keyboard they could eventually write windows xp!

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SlicerDicer-:

AlmtyBob: never underestimate the power of monkies

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xris:

speedsix: look at your transcode profile

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xris:

in recording profiles

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scopeuk:

i thought it was one monkey banging on a keyboard could write a slashdot rant

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scopeuk:

shwos what i know ;-)

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xris:

scopeuk: plenty of those happening already

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Spida:

AlmtyBob: install grub on the device your bios likes, and then remap from grub

[20:25:46]

Spida:

AlmtyBob: the gentoo ivtv-0.4.2 ebuild contains the firmware files.

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AlmtyBob:

I got it working, just swapped the SATA ports around and it's all good

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AlmtyBob:

and magically I got the firmware working

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AlmtyBob:

on the first try on this install

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AlmtyBob:

but now apt-get install mythtv is freaking out

[20:27:16]

AlmtyBob:

http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/XOdMzC26.html

[20:27:26]

AlmtyBob:

^--- what's that mean? do I need to do something different?

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AlmtyBob:

that makes me sad, it's been going so well on this install up to this point

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scopeuk:

any one who belives an install will work right first time hasent bee hit hard enough by one yet

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AlmtyBob:

scopeuk: this is my 9th try

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Spida:

hm, perhaps anybody here can tell me where to put hte firmware?

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AlmtyBob:

but for me that's a pretty decent showstopper

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scopeuk:

AlmtyBob have you tried apt-get isntall mythtv-frontend?

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scopeuk:

or probably best ot do backend first

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scopeuk:

and thass .18 you rearly want .19

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AlmtyBob:

yah was going to try that but I'm kinda scared to break the order of this guide I'm reading, since it's a pretty decent one

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scopeuk:

guides are meant to be broken

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AlmtyBob:

yah I've noticed

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AlmtyBob:

spida, I'm using 0.4.0, but mine are in /lib/modules/ivtv-fw-enc.bin

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AlmtyBob:

I couldn't get 0.4.4 to work right

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Spida:

i am trying 0.6.2

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Spida:

but it dowsn't load the firmware

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AlmtyBob:

scopeuk: I'm looking in the Package Manager and it says MythTV 0.18.1–5

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AlmtyBob:

is there a newer ver I should get somewhere?

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AlmtyBob:

oh, I'm pry missing a repository huh

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TummyAcid:

aweome... i finanly get to watch "everyday italian" and rewind when i need to see a recipie again

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TummyAcid:

mythtv rocks the house

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AlmtyBob:

k more tears for me. apt-get install mythtv is saying broken packages

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AlmtyBob:

could it have something to do with 64bit mythtv?

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ficusplanet:

Hey everyone. I'm sure this is relatively simple, but does anyone know how the album art visualation work in MythMusic? I have no covers for any albums.

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moemoe:

ficusplanet: in den id3v2-tags kannst du bilder reintun

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moemoe:

arghs

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moemoe:

ficusplanet: you can put images into your mp3-files as id3v2-tags

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moemoe:

i think mythmusic uses them

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ficusplanet:

moemoe: Oh, OK. Thanks.

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moemoe:

ficusplanet: i prefer easytag for this task

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ficusplanet:

moemoe: Cool. I'll try that out.

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moemoe:

good night...6h of sleep left

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wilsonred:

I'd like to know if somebody has already written a plugin or script to check new email (biff program)

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mejo:

hello

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mejo:

for some reason, mythfrontend fails to show live tv.

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mejo:

i have a pvr 350, and the output of modprobe ivtv looks good.

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mejo:

i've configured mythtv, but at the connections (links), i don't see tuner0. only tuner1, s-vido* and composite*

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sapbeast:

ok seriously what the hell... this makes NO sense

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sapbeast:

i try to copy a 8g file from my old myth storage drive to the new one... and it still fails md5sum

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fozi:

ivtv renumbered the tuner. tuner1 should be ok

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sapbeast:

ive tried ext3, jfs, xfs... and the drive is verified good (twice)

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sapbeast:

so is there something wrong with md5 sum or what

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sapbeast:

ive spent the past 5 days on this

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sapbeast:

im about to just say stuff it and start over with mytv and just have new recordings handled

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sapbeast:

in the new drive

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stuarta:

it is quite bizzare

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sapbeast:

your telling me... i *double* check the drive with the seagate utility

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sapbeast:

there is nothing wrong physically, no bad sectors

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sapbeast:

but for some reason i cant copy these large files without getting errors

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sapbeast:

the smaller files (thumbnails) are ok

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stuarta:

have you tried different size files?

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sapbeast:

non-large files are ok... but that does not help my situation

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sapbeast:

because i wont be able to copy existing recordings :P

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stuarta:

it's worth an email to the kernel list...

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sapbeast:

apparently nobody else has this problem so... not going to really help

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sphing:

sapbeast: does copying little files match checksums?

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AlmtyBob:

sapbeast: have you tried using rar to split the files into multiple parts?

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AlmtyBob:

and then copying them over and unraring?

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sapbeast:

i might try that next

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sapbeast:

thats my last option

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sapbeast:

and little files ARE ok

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sapbeast:

but they are like what... 50k thumbnails

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sapbeast:

not 8 gig recordings

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sphing:

sapbeast: and the 50k md5sums match?

[22:52:08]

sapbeast:

yeah

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sapbeast:

its just puzzling

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sapbeast:

another thing is if i unmount the filesystem

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sapbeast:

and run e2fsck

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sapbeast:

shows a bunch of problems like multiply claimed blocks

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sapbeast:

yet *there is nothing physically wrong with the drive*

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sphing:

so the problem is with the filesystem

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sphing:

which is having multiple claimed blocks the src or the dest?

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sapbeast:

the dest

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sapbeast:

the src is verified ok

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sapbeast:

well still... same problem with JFS or XFS

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sphing:

the remake the fs on the dst

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sphing:

o its a reoccuring problem

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sphing:

yea thats messed up

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sapbeast:

yeah, but ive already done that 10 freaking times

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sapbeast:

so tell me something i dont know :p

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sphing:

same controller (assuming ide)

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sapbeast:

sata controller card

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sapbeast:

sil3112

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sapbeast:

but the same card with the seagate utility says the drive is 100% fine

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sphing:

sapbeast: try making a big file on the dest and copying it to the src and then checking the md5s then

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sphing:

if that doesnt working, something is fuxed

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AlmtyBob:

hmm, I'm in the initial mythtv-setup in the general screen. I want to have multiple frontends with this box as a backend. it's asking for my boxes ip and master server ip, but it defaults to 127.0.0.1

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AlmtyBob:

the mythtv manual says just to tab through and save

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AlmtyBob:

should I change it to my server's ip or leave it alone?

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AlmtyBob:

or maybe I could just tab into the field and read the help, nm

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sapbeast:

sphing: ok ill try that with dd

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sapbeast:

see what happens

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sapbeast:

sphing: nope, same issue

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sapbeast:

1G file... different md5 sums between the drives

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sapbeast:

this is *very* odd

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sapbeast:

my only option now is to see if a different controller card would make a difference

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sapbeast:

as in... one for each drive

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Cym:

can anyone tell me if there is a way to use XvMC on a tv-out and not get that black/white OSD using nvidia drivers?

[23:29:21]

Cym:

i know xine uses xxmc and it uses some type of hack to increase the video buffer and it resolves the color issue

[23:31:06]

Cym:

i tried the UseChromaKeyOSD hack, but it doesnt work for the tv-out

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AlmtyBob:

I formatted a second drive as JFS and want to store my videos on it. Where should I mount it and how do I make it mount at boot?

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Cym:

AlmtyBob, add it to fstab

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AlmtyBob:

ok. Where should I mount the files?

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Cym:

mount the drive? anywhere u want

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Cym:

i use /video

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Cym:

so everyone using XvMC has a black/white OSD on their TV?

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AlmtyBob:

when I look in fdisk for my JFS formatted drive, I don't see any partitions, is that normal?

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Cym:

you partition before you format?

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AlmtyBob:

err, maybe not 8)

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Cym:

and format each partition

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AlmtyBob:

heh jinkies a clue!

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AlmtyBob:

do you know offhand how to mount a jfs?

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Cym:

add the fstab entry first, the just type "mount /dev/xxxx"

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AlmtyBob:

googling what I need to put in fstab

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Cym:

it will be pretty much the same as the others in there except for the type

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AlmtyBob:

all of the other onces have different options set

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Cym:

like: /dev/hda2 /usr jfs defaults 0 2

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AlmtyBob:

what's the 2?

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AlmtyBob:

nm, found it

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Cym:

its the order of checking the disk for errors

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Cym:

you set it to 0 on cdroms

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Cym:

like /boot would be 0 1

[23:53:40]

AlmtyBob:

ok

[23:53:40]

Cym:

and / would be 0 2

[23:53:50]

AlmtyBob:

do I need chmod it so the user mythtv can access it?

[23:53:51]

Cym:

it would then scan /boot then /

[23:54:08]

Cym:

chmod or chown

[23:54:29]

Cym:

chmod is ok

[23:54:37]

AlmtyBob:

777?

[23:54:43]

AlmtyBob:

it's not a multiuser system

[23:54:47]

AlmtyBob:

human user that is

[23:54:52]

Cym:

sure

[23:55:37]

AlmtyBob:

sorry for being dense, but I'm looking at the default /var/lib/mythtv perms...drwxrwsr-x

[23:55:42]

AlmtyBob:

what's the "s" mean?

[23:56:14]

Cym:

all files created in that dir will have ownership by the group

[23:56:33]

AlmtyBob:

how do I set that?

[23:56:46]

Cym:

chmod +s

[23:56:51]

AlmtyBob:

thanks again

[23:57:54]

AlmtyBob:

drwsrwsrwx 4 mythtv mythtv 16 2006-05–07 16:53 mythtv

[23:57:56]

AlmtyBob:

look good?

[23:59:16]

Cym:

yep

[23:59:17]

AlmtyBob:

and now that it's in fstab it will mount everytime my computer reboots?

[23:59:22]

Cym:

yep

[23:59:28]

AlmtyBob:

thanks you're a life saver

[23:59:35]

Cym:

but when it remounts, it will be owned by root

[23:59:54]

Cym:

so you need to put an option in fstab, telling it to mount it with a specific user/group ownership

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